<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div>On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 3:25 PM Walter Lapchynski <<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 05:52:58PM -0800, Fritz Hudnut wrote:<br>
> I didn't say it was slow<br>
> compared to 20.04 . . . I said it is slow compared to each of my other 5<br>
> linux installs . . . . <br>
<br>
Some other distros have completely different paradigms (e.g. different<br>
init systems) that could have an impact here, so that may be a case of<br>
comparing apples and oranges. What I see in your original message is<br>
that you made the comparison with "other ubuntu or Debian flavors" and<br>
*that* would be a good comparison since they share a lot of core pieces.<br>
Better yet, stay within Ubuntu.<br>
<br>
<br></blockquote><div> @Walter:</div><div><br></div><div>Well, life, like linux, isn't always fair . . . . But, I did run the systemd-analyze and out of the three debian/ubuntu installs that are running in the same HDD, Lubuntu 20.10, LM 20, and Debian Bullseye . . . the evidence does support my "feeling" that Lubuntu is "the slowest." But, really, the systemd-analyze seems to be reflecting something other than "logging into the desktop" . . . because in my TW install I was logged in, I launched the terminal and ran the command, and it said, "We aren't done getting to the graphical user yet . . . " (from memory) but I was using the desktop at the time. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Lubuntu by contrast, shows "shorter systemd-analyze" times than TW, but it takes longer to get into the GUI . . . so it "feels" even slower than it it is showing, in the "analyze," etc.</div><div><br></div><div>I checked again the kernel with uname -r and it is indeed running a 5.4 kernel, checked apt again, only one package showed as available to upgrade and it wasn't the kernel, checked in Software & Updates, it showed "groovy" . . . and I checked locked packages, which only shows "grub2" because I got tired of fixing grub after every update. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I downloaded the daily of hirsute and burned it to usb drive, I'll test it in a bit and maybe upgrade via /etc/apt/sources.list sometime in the next few days????<br></div><div><br></div><div>Lu 20.10 -- systemd-analyze<br>Startup finished in 7.131s (kernel) + 39.268s (userspace) = 46.399s <br>graphical.target reached after 33.295s in userspace</div><div><br></div><div>$ systemd-analyze blame<br>22.858s man-db.service ><br>12.538s udisks2.service ><br>12.016s snapd.service ><br>11.875s NetworkManager-wait-online.service ><br>10.180s networkd-dispatcher.service ><br> 8.549s dev-sdc7.device ><br> 6.613s systemd-journal-flush.service ><br> 6.544s accounts-daemon.service There were more items but only 4 sec each.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Debian Bullseye -- systemd-analyze<br>Startup finished in 6.820s (kernel) + 26.819s (userspace) = 33.640s <br>graphical.target reached after 26.809s in userspace</div><div><br></div><div>Linux Mint 20/focal?? --systemd-analyze<br>Startup finished in 6.896s (kernel) + 26.694s (userspace) = 33.590s <br>graphical.target reached after 21.551s in userspace</div><div><br></div><div>Gecko rolling --systemd-analyze<br>Startup finished in 2.226s (kernel) + 3.874s (initrd) + 11.828s (userspace) = 17.929s <br>graphical.target reached after 10.860s in userspace</div><div><br></div><div>I included the Gecko, even though it isn't necessarily "fair," becuase it is running in a newer HDD than the ubuntu flavors, but just to show how comparatively "slow" Lubuntu is in relationship to the blinding speeds of Gecko in the same '12 MacPro Quadcore unit.</div><div><br></div><div>To be even more unfair, the same command run in my new Sys76 Gazelle laptop using coreboot technology and their Pop_OS! based on ubuntu 20.10 showed: --systemd-analyze start 8.113s (firmware) + 3.829s (loader) + 3.505s (kernel) + 1.479s (userspace) = 16.928s graphical target reached after 1.472s in userspace<br></div></div></div>