<div dir="ltr"><div>WxL:</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for taking the time to look at it . . . I don't think I registered as a dev, but obviously I did register with their forum . . . and the guy/gal did reply and look into it. One thing I learned years ago is to listen to what people say, and they said literally, "I filed the bug, don't hold your breath, we ain't going to fix legacy hardware . . . " and indeed there never was any follow up on the bug as sometimes happens in the launchpad zone . . . .</div><div><br></div><div>It's kind of a double whammy going into the Nvidia card, which I did to get a "metal friendly" card that would meet the requirements for OSX 10.14 . . . which it did, but that brought me into a struggle between Apple and Nvidia as far as, Apple not giving Nvidia the permission to use the drivers for it, and Nvidia not releasing them even though they have them . . . so 10.14 runs on my computer, but just like it was in "nouveau" the computer won't "sleep" . . . it just blinks black.</div><div><br></div><div>So, the Nvidia card was a "better" card than the radeon that was OEM, but it has been "finicky" . . . and in some of the cases going proprietary "fixed" the "suspend" issue, but . . . then opened the TTY problem . . . and now Apple says this '12 MPro doesn't qualify for 10.15 . . . so I'd have to go hacker on it if I wanted to move up . . . .</div><div><br></div><div>Which is why having some linux options makes that whole "EFI" problem less of a worry . . . . I'll fiddle around with the ubuntu distros and see how things fare in 20.04 with nouveau . . . since I like "bleeding edge" linux distros Nvidia is probably never going to be right there for it . . . . If you looked at the "linux" sub-forum you might have seen a post about "Nvidia drivers not working in ubuntu 19.04?" . . . on a Dell . . . ????</div><div><br></div><div>F<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM Walter Lapchynski <<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 12:36:36PM -0800, Fritz Hudnut wrote:<br>
> Well, I couldn't find the link to their bug number <br>
<br>
You have to have a [NVIDIA developer account to access the bugs][1].<br>
<br>
> <a href="https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1063182/nvidia-drivers-don-t-include-access-to-tty-terminal-/?offset=1#5383801" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1063182/nvidia-drivers-don-t-include-access-to-tty-terminal-/?offset=1#5383801</a><br>
<br>
Looks like they're indeed blaming your EFI, which is strange. If nouveau<br>
works with the TTY, that might be the extra information they need. In<br>
fact, the "code" quoted there by the NVIDIA rep is actually a line from<br>
your `dmesg` output. If you could fine the parts that deal with the<br>
framebuffer when running nouveau, that might help them figure out how to<br>
fix their stuff. Chances are, they won't spend much time on it, though.<br>
<br>
Either way, this demonstrates a big issue with proprietary hardware and<br>
software. With proprietary hardware, it's difficult to provide open<br>
source software solutions like drivers, because the hardware is<br>
ultimately unknown and can be (at best) reverse engineered. And when the<br>
makers of the proprietary hardware produce proprietary software, then<br>
you're beholden to them to fix any problems. No one else outside of the<br>
company, regardless of their skill level or understanding, can help<br>
improve the situation. Similarly, since these are ultimately employees<br>
of a for-profit business, at some point, they're forced to cut their<br>
losses and stop supporting products they have discontinued.<br>
<br>
And that's why you hear so many people in the open source world crying<br>
so desperately for more open source solutions, especially in hardware<br>
where such solutions are so rare.<br>
<br>
[1]:<br>
<a href="https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1044668/cuda-programming-and-performance/-how-to-report-a-bug/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1044668/cuda-programming-and-performance/-how-to-report-a-bug/</a><br>
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