The correct link is: <a href="http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/meeting/22714/architecture-discussions/">http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/meeting/22714/architecture-discussions/</a><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 at 04:55 Fritz Hudnut <<a href="mailto:este.el.paz@gmail.com">este.el.paz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">@wxl:<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Again asking what time this will be happening? I tried the link and it said "page doesn't exist" . . . possibly link is busted or the page doesn't exist until in use?</div></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">F</div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Walter Lapchynski <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_default gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">It should be pointed out that this discussion is not only about PPC but it's also about i386. Since i386 is a major target of Lubuntu, I would advise attendance.</div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Bryan Quigley <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:bryan.quigley@canonical.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">bryan.quigley@canonical.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sorry for the late notice - there is a live discussion scheduled for<br class="gmail_msg">
this Wednesday on this topic for any flavors that want to further the<br class="gmail_msg">
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On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Walter Lapchynski <<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
> As you can see from the page on [PPC][1], the architecture has only<br class="gmail_msg">
> community support from Ubuntu. Lubuntu has been trying as much as we can to<br class="gmail_msg">
> support this, but the fact of the matter is that we have no developers on<br class="gmail_msg">
> our team that can actually help with PPC bugs.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> The best you can hope for is that kernel developers (mostly, the issue is<br class="gmail_msg">
> with drivers) might have some interest in fixing bugs. However, with only<br class="gmail_msg">
> community support, that's unlikely. Most of the focus on PPC has been on the<br class="gmail_msg">
> server side of things, where graphics just don't come into play.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> My estimation of things is that Lubuntu on PPC mostly works, given a few<br class="gmail_msg">
> caveats. All we need to do to release PPC is for all of the test cases to be<br class="gmail_msg">
> completed successfully (regardless of whether or not there are bugs) and<br class="gmail_msg">
> that marked on the QA tracker for the final testing of each milestone. If we<br class="gmail_msg">
> don't have that done, Canonical will not let us release it.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> PPC was what brought me originally to Lubuntu, so there's a special place<br class="gmail_msg">
> for it in my heart. Having an OS make that old hardware work was very<br class="gmail_msg">
> refreshing and introduced me to the real power and mission of Lubuntu.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> However, I haven't ran PPC in a long, long time. That being said, I'm not of<br class="gmail_msg">
> much help. We rely on the community of users to help out. When I don't see<br class="gmail_msg">
> testing happening in the community, it makes me think that I'm not the only<br class="gmail_msg">
> one that's neglected their PPC machines.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> The reality of the situation is that there has been much talk throughout the<br class="gmail_msg">
> Ubuntu community over the past few years about getting rid of i386. If that<br class="gmail_msg">
> happens, I can't imagine that Canonical keeping PPC. With that in mind, I<br class="gmail_msg">
> think the end of PPC Lubuntu is coming regardless of what our feelings are.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> Furthermore, the Lubuntu Team is a small one and we often lack the capacity<br class="gmail_msg">
> to do the things that we need to do. PPC is just stretching us even thinner,<br class="gmail_msg">
> and into an area few of us really have the experience, knowledge, resources,<br class="gmail_msg">
> or time to deal with.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> That said, I'm inclined to suggest we start the process of removing PPC. We<br class="gmail_msg">
> managed to release an LTS, which is the only version we even bother with PPC<br class="gmail_msg">
> on. All we would need to do is ensure that all the point releases for Trusty<br class="gmail_msg">
> and Xenial get published. That would put us out until about August 2018.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> I think ultimately this will be better for the team. Most importantly,<br class="gmail_msg">
> though, I think it will be better for the PPC users that I fear we can't<br class="gmail_msg">
> really support and who we often leave with a frustrated experience.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> What do you think?<br class="gmail_msg">
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> [1]: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC</a><br class="gmail_msg">
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