<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">With Debian having removed ppc as a release architecture, I think the end is in sight for Lubuntu ppc whether we like it or not. I don't think we should draw any definitive conclusions quite yet, but I suspect this is a harbinger of what's to come. I'll keep everyone updated as I know more.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">For people interested in the Debian side of things, see:</div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/10/msg00008.html">https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/10/msg00008.html</a></font><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Steve Langasek</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve.langasek@ubuntu.com">steve.langasek@ubuntu.com</a>></span><br>Date: Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:09 PM<br>Subject: removal of blocking powerpc binaries: a proposal<br>To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com">technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br><br><br>Hi folks,<br>
<br>
At today's Technical Board meeting, we discussed the status of Ubuntu's<br>
powerpc port. Given that Debian has dropped powerpc as a release<br>
architecture, it seems an appropriate moment to check on the health of the<br>
port in Ubuntu as well.<br>
<br>
While the TB did not make any decisions today on whether to keep powerpc as<br>
a release arch, we did identify a couple of process improvements that should<br>
allow us to approach the question armed with better data later in the cycle.<br>
One of these concerns powerpc-specific package build failures holding up<br>
packages in -proposed.<br>
<br>
Going forward, the suggestion is that whenever an archive admin sees a<br>
package held up in zesty-proposed by a powerpc-specific build failure[1],<br>
and removing the old binaries from zesty would allow the package to migrate<br>
without increasing the uninstallability count in the archive (i.e.: only<br>
remove leaf packages), they should feel free to do so. In addition, it<br>
would be helpful if AAs could track how much effort they're spending on this<br>
- either in terms of time, or number of packages removed.<br>
<br>
This will help give us data about three things:<br>
<br>
- how much time are developers who aren't porters spending on powerpc?<br>
(since removing the binaries is pretty much the smallest amount of time<br>
that a developer could spend on resolving the issue)<br>
- how fast (if at all) is this port bit-rotting? (comparing relative<br>
numbers of available packages, per architecture, for yakkety vs. zesty)<br>
- conversely, how active is the powerpc porter community? (looking at<br>
number of binary packages reintroduced after removal)<br>
<br>
That should put us on a much firmer footing to have the conversation as a<br>
community about the viability of the powerpc port going forward, while in<br>
the meantime ensuring that any accumulating issues with the port don't cause<br>
unnecessary drag for the rest of the distribution.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS<br>
Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world.<br>
Ubuntu Developer <a href="http://www.debian.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.debian.org/</a><br>
<a href="mailto:slangasek@ubuntu.com">slangasek@ubuntu.com</a> <a href="mailto:vorlon@debian.org">vorlon@debian.org</a><br>
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[1] <a href="http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://people.canonical.com/~<wbr>ubuntu-archive/proposed-<wbr>migration/update_excuses.html</a><br>
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