<div dir="ltr">The boss will ensure alternate remains CD sized for 16.04. After that, who knows?... but that is a 5 year commitment, It could be that we drop alternate and offer just desktop or netboot... For me? I'd be very sorry to see alternate leave, I think it is a fantastic option and with 16.04 out of the way, I'd like to re-visit some of the other tasks that it can do which were dropped, but with an assurance that if lubuntu wanted to support them, would be easy to put back.<div> </div><div>Regards,</div><div> </div><div>Phill.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On 14 March 2016 at 16:15, Nio Wiklund <<a href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com" target="_blank">nio.wiklund@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Henk and Phill, The alternate installer can install with less RAM than the desktop installer, but the difference is smaller than I expected for Xenial in my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M: 224MB (desktop) <---> 208 MB (alternate) I had hoped that it would work with mem=192M, but no. Let us focus on the great advantage: the alternate iso is within CD size. (It is slightly too big right now: 704 Mibibytes.) See the attached spreadsheet. Best regards Nio<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"> Den 2016-03-14 kl. 10:33, skrev Henk Terhell: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I did a fresh install of L.14.04.4 LTS i386 today and it shows 178 MB idle after booting. But after an upgrade and reboot the memory was down to a steady 137 MB. As I reported earlier the same machine showed 112-115 MB for L.16.04 i386 ISO of 20160311 Xenial daily . This machine has an integrated NVIDIA card but in both cases the default graphic driver was not changed. So, yes. Henk Op 2016-03-14 om 07:26 schreef Nio Wiklund: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Yes Phill, At least in that particular computer and those particular installed systems. I think it would be good if you and some other people try to confirm it :-) Best regards Nio Den 2016-03-13 kl. 23:54, skrev Phill. Whiteside: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hi, so xenial needs less RAM when installed over trusty? 141MB down to 116MB. This is somewhat contra to the perceived thoughts of 16.04 needing more resources than 14.04. It would be a great statistic to push forward for those who doubt changes to the new kernel and its underlying system. Regards, Phill. On 13 March 2016 at 21:03, Nio Wiklund <<a href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com" target="_blank">nio.wiklund@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com" target="_blank">nio.wiklund@gmail.com</a>>> wrote: Hi again, IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M test results: Lubuntu Xenial desktop 32-bit iso file - 224 MB RAM to install - 116 MB RAM used when idling after second boot (installed) Lubuntu 14.04.1 LTS desktop 32-bit iso file - 208 MB RAM to install - 141 MB RAM used when idling after second boot (installed) See the attached file. Best regards Nio Den 2016-03-13 kl. 20:06, skrev Nio Wiklund: Hi Phill, I suggest that you can mention that 256 MB is the minimum RAM to install Lubuntu Xenial. But near that statement you should also mention, that 256 MB is not enough for normal browsing of modern (and bloated) web pages. We recommend at least 512 MB RAM in order to get a fair performance of 32-bit Lubuntu (and more is needed for 64-bit Lubuntu, maybe 768 MB). I think the statement about 700 MB is left from the time before zram was introduced. Best regards Nio ps 1/ I'm testing installing in my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M now. It installed fairly well from the Lubuntu Xenial desktop 32-bit iso file with the additional boot options linux ... mem=224M forcepae --- forcepae But I would still recommend 256 MB as minimum RAM. After the second reboot into the installed system it is idling with a RAM usage of 116 MB (which is good compared to previous versions). ps 2/ See the modified spreadsheet (version 3) - slightly modified /ds Den 2016-03-13 kl. 17:45, skrev Phill. Whiteside: Okies, for ubiquity, we already know it needs more RAM to run, than lubuntu needs to run.... on the 'get lubuntu' page [1] We state under 700MB RAM is minimum for ubiquity. If you are happy to lower that to 256MB I'm happy to make the edit :) For Alternate, we should be able to probe down to the lowest level that lubuntu will actually run on (with the proviso of a browser eating up resources - which is covered in those notes[2]) 1. <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu%2B1#Types_of_installation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu%2B1#Types_of_installation</a> 2. <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall+1#Low_Resource_Browser" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall+1#Low_Resource_Browser</a> On 13 March 2016 at 16:16, Henk Terhell <<a href="mailto:hterhell@chello.nl" target="_blank">hterhell@chello.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hterhell@chello.nl" target="_blank">hterhell@chello.nl</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hterhell@chello.nl" target="_blank">hterhell@chello.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hterhell@chello.nl" target="_blank">hterhell@chello.nl</a>>>> wrote: Op 2016-03-13 om 11:36 schreef Nio Wiklund: Hi Henk and other Lubuntu users, who want to test installing with low RAM, I see what you mean. I was testing last night with my Toshiba with Intel i5. It is usually working fast, Lubuntu can be completely installed within a couple of minutes. But when I approached the low RAM limit, I had to wait for 3-4 minutes for the first Ubiquity window to appear. Below the limit, I did not even get any wallpaper after 6 minutes, so I decided that it did not work. I attached a modified spreadsheet with some test results from last night. I found a difference: Lubuntu 14.04.1 LTS desktop i386 can be installed with 224 MB RAM Lubuntu Xenial daily desktop i386 can be installed with 256 MB RAM Maybe we should state a limit: Select 'Install Lubuntu' and set the boot option mem=xxxM and press the Enter key. If the first window of the installer does not appear within 5 minutes, we can consider that there is too low RAM for the installer to work. Maybe we should suggest more patience, for example 10 minutes. What do *you* think? Best regards Nio For me 5 min is enough to despair about finishing the installation. -- Lubuntu-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-devel</a> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div></div></blockquote></div> </div>