<div dir="ltr">The boss will ensure alternate remains CD sized for 16.04. After that, who knows?... but that is a 5 year commitment, It could be that we drop alternate and offer just desktop or netboot... For me? I'd be very sorry to see alternate leave, I think it is a fantastic option and with 16.04 out of the way, I'd like to re-visit some of the other tasks that it can do which were dropped, but with an assurance that if lubuntu wanted to support them, would be easy to put back.<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Phill.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 March 2016 at 16:15, Nio Wiklund <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com" target="_blank">nio.wiklund@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Henk and Phill,<br>
<br>
The alternate installer can install with less RAM than the desktop installer, but the difference is smaller than I expected for Xenial in my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M:<br>
<br>
224MB (desktop) <---> 208 MB (alternate)<br>
<br>
I had hoped that it would work with mem=192M, but no. Let us focus on the great advantage: the alternate iso is within CD size. (It is slightly too big right now: 704 Mibibytes.)<br>
<br>
See the attached spreadsheet.<br>
<br>
Best regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Nio</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
Den 2016-03-14 kl. 10:33, skrev Henk Terhell:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I did a fresh install of L.14.04.4 LTS i386 today and it shows 178 MB<br>
idle after booting.<br>
But after an upgrade and reboot the memory was down to a steady 137 MB.<br>
<br>
As I reported earlier the same machine showed 112-115 MB for L.16.04<br>
i386 ISO of 20160311 Xenial daily .<br>
<br>
This machine has an integrated NVIDIA card but in both cases the default<br>
graphic driver was not changed.<br>
<br>
So, yes.<br>
<br>
Henk<br>
<br>
Op 2016-03-14 om 07:26 schreef Nio Wiklund:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Yes Phill,<br>
<br>
At least in that particular computer and those particular installed<br>
systems. I think it would be good if you and some other people try to<br>
confirm it :-)<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Nio<br>
<br>
Den 2016-03-13 kl. 23:54, skrev Phill. Whiteside:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
so xenial needs less RAM when installed over trusty? 141MB down to<br>
116MB. This is somewhat contra to the perceived thoughts of 16.04<br>
needing more resources than 14.04. It would be a great statistic to<br>
push forward for those who doubt changes to the new kernel and its<br>
underlying system.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Phill.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 13 March 2016 at 21:03, Nio Wiklund <<a href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com" target="_blank">nio.wiklund@gmail.com</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com" target="_blank">nio.wiklund@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
  Hi again,<br>
<br>
  IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M test results:<br>
<br>
  Lubuntu Xenial desktop 32-bit iso file<br>
  - 224 MB RAM to install<br>
  - 116 MB RAM used when idling after second boot (installed)<br>
<br>
  Lubuntu 14.04.1 LTS desktop 32-bit iso file<br>
  - 208 MB RAM to install<br>
  - 141 MB RAM used when idling after second boot (installed)<br>
<br>
  See the attached file.<br>
<br>
  Best regards<br>
  Nio<br>
<br>
<br>
  Den 2016-03-13 kl. 20:06, skrev Nio Wiklund:<br>
<br>
    Hi Phill,<br>
<br>
    I suggest that you can mention that 256 MB is the minimum RAM to<br>
    install<br>
    Lubuntu Xenial. But near that statement you should also mention,<br>
    that<br>
    256 MB is not enough for normal browsing of modern (and<br>
bloated) web<br>
    pages. We recommend at least 512 MB RAM in order to get a fair<br>
    performance of 32-bit Lubuntu (and more is needed for 64-bit<br>
    Lubuntu,<br>
    maybe 768 MB).<br>
<br>
    I think the statement about 700 MB is left from the time before<br>
    zram was<br>
    introduced.<br>
<br>
    Best regards<br>
    Nio<br>
<br>
    ps 1/<br>
    I'm testing installing in my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M<br>
now. It<br>
    installed fairly well from the Lubuntu Xenial desktop 32-bit iso<br>
    file<br>
    with the additional boot options<br>
<br>
    linux ... mem=224M forcepae --- forcepae<br>
<br>
    But I would still recommend 256 MB as minimum RAM.<br>
<br>
    After the second reboot into the installed system it is idling<br>
    with a<br>
    RAM usage of 116 MB (which is good compared to previous<br>
versions).<br>
<br>
    ps 2/<br>
    See the modified spreadsheet (version 3) - slightly modified<br>
    /ds<br>
<br>
    Den 2016-03-13 kl. 17:45, skrev Phill. Whiteside:<br>
<br>
      Okies,<br>
<br>
      for ubiquity, we already know it needs more RAM to run, than<br>
      lubuntu<br>
      needs to run.... on the 'get lubuntu' page [1] We state<br>
      under 700MB RAM<br>
      is minimum for ubiquity. If you are happy to lower that to<br>
      256MB I'm<br>
      happy to make the edit :)<br>
<br>
      For Alternate, we should be able to probe down to the lowest<br>
      level that<br>
      lubuntu will actually run on (with the proviso of a browser<br>
      eating up<br>
      resources - which is covered in those notes[2])<br>
<br>
      1.<br>
<a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu%2B1#Types_of_installation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu%2B1#Types_of_installation</a><br>
<br>
<br>
      2.<br>
<a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall+1#Low_Resource_Browser" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall+1#Low_Resource_Browser</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
      On 13 March 2016 at 16:16, Henk Terhell <<a href="mailto:hterhell@chello.nl" target="_blank">hterhell@chello.nl</a><br>
      <mailto:<a href="mailto:hterhell@chello.nl" target="_blank">hterhell@chello.nl</a>><br>
      <mailto:<a href="mailto:hterhell@chello.nl" target="_blank">hterhell@chello.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hterhell@chello.nl" target="_blank">hterhell@chello.nl</a>>>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
         Op 2016-03-13 om 11:36 schreef Nio Wiklund:<br>
<br>
           Hi Henk and other Lubuntu users, who want to test<br>
      installing<br>
           with low RAM,<br>
<br>
           I see what you mean. I was testing last night with<br>
      my Toshiba<br>
           with Intel i5. It is usually working fast, Lubuntu<br>
      can be<br>
           completely installed within a couple of minutes.<br>
<br>
           But when I approached the low RAM limit, I had to<br>
      wait for 3-4<br>
           minutes for the first Ubiquity window to appear.<br>
<br>
           Below the limit, I did not even get any wallpaper<br>
      after 6<br>
           minutes, so I decided that it did not work.<br>
<br>
           I attached a modified spreadsheet with some test<br>
      results from<br>
           last night. I found a difference:<br>
<br>
           Lubuntu 14.04.1 LTS desktop i386 can be installed<br>
      with 224 MB RAM<br>
<br>
           Lubuntu Xenial daily desktop i386 can be installed<br>
      with 256 MB<br>
      RAM<br>
<br>
           Maybe we should state a limit:<br>
<br>
           Select 'Install Lubuntu' and set the boot option<br>
      mem=xxxM and<br>
           press the Enter key. If the first window of the<br>
      installer does<br>
           not appear within 5 minutes, we can consider that<br>
      there is too<br>
           low RAM for the installer to work.<br>
<br>
           Maybe we should suggest more patience, for example<br>
      10 minutes.<br>
           What do *you* think?<br>
<br>
           Best regards<br>
           Nio<br>
<br>
<br>
         For me 5 min is enough to despair about finishing the<br>
      installation.<br>
<br>
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