My Reply between the lines On Sep 26, 2007  at  3:10 PM,  Pomeroy Lab <<a href="mailto:admin@mindblowingidea.com">admin@mindblowingidea.com</a>> Wrote: <div style="margin-left: 40px;">  I only see one problem with the LoCo Locomotive. There is too much room for politics. I like the idea of several LoCo teams all over the world and one site pointing to each of them. The thing is even if we don't like everything they are all doing and saying we don't have to try to control them. </div> The Council tends to keep our hearts in the same plase. It is not supposed to control how a team goes about helping the ubuntu proyect as a whole. The idea Jono originally brought up, which I support, is to have a council, a group that can handle very detailed coplexities that involve the LoCo team proyect. I am a Jono Generation Ubuntu user and his sometimes salomonic decisions have been pretty on target. (Hats off to Mr Bacon for clearing the way for spanish LoCo's  to meet eye to eye), but I do believe a Council is a great way to have a better insight on the different issues that arise in different scenarios in different places around the world.  Several other Councils have been set up and I do believe it has been the key to successin the improvement of  the communication in IRC team and ubuntuforum team. just my humble opinion. <div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(102, 0, 0);"> Just having a general list of locations of LoCo computer labs is a good idea and advertising this list. </div> Fantastic Idea, Good Ethics. Free education. <div style="margin-left: 40px;">I know there is politics involved in WA State because no one will even add my LoCo team to the list. </div> What's your loCo team again? wa-pomeroy ??  a branch of the <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WashingtonTeam">WashingtonTeam</a> all the resources you have set up do not have any direct promotion of ubuntu. so what exactly makes you a LoCo team. you could very well start one. there are many city-based LoCos. but your current set up of services is not very ubuntu-oriented. please read the <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto">LoCoTeamHowto.</a> and I can't remember anyone adding my team for me in the Team List... you add it yourself (proir to checking if a team exists... ) you add yourself as a new team. <div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(102, 0, 0);"> I understand a set of rules that work such as the Safe Guide To Scouting for the Boy Scouts. This is a plain and simple set of rules that makes it impossible to get in trouble if you follow them and would work great with the LoCo teams if you just took the parts about camping out unless you wanted to allow Linux teams to go on camp outs as part of club activities. The thing is there should be some suggested guidelines but unless the Ubuntu LoCo federation is directly responsible for the actions of each LoCo team I would not worry to much about controlling them. </div> You are not controlled by the LoCo team council yet. cuz it hasn't been approved yet... there is no such thing as a LoCo federation (yet). The only thing you should abide by is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. and if you are bringing in other elements into the equation. (like lug participation in events and interaction with third parties), You still have to follow the code of conduct. plain and simple. <div style="margin-left: 40px;">I would worry much more about advertising the whole thing. To tell you the truth a simple advertising campaign on TV or Radio in the US would be a very good idea. This way you could charge a monthly fee of $10.00 to be listed on the LoCo site as a location and this money would go towards adds for the site. I don't see any problem here. Please let the LoCo team know what you think about this? </div> Teams are welcome to work their way how they see fit. In two years, I haven't seen ads on Ubuntu team sites. mainly because people find ads Anoying. Canonical provides loCo teams with basic resources web site, mailing list. so the need to advertise to pay for hosting is not that popular.  to receive donations is not forbidden as long as there is a clear objective as to what will be done with the money.   <div style="margin-left: 40px;"> In WA State and Idaho it seems like pulling teath to get anyone to help me promote my LoCo. </div> To be honest with you... Your resources do not prove you are not running a loCo team, there is hardly any promotion of ubuntu in any of the resources you set up. I would gladly help you set up an Ubuntu Community in your city. but first you should consider joining the existing team and giving them a well-deserved hand. A very usefull read... <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto</a> Cheers.. Efrain Valles ubuntu-ve co-contact <a href="http://launchpad.net/~effie-jayx"> http://launchpad.net/~effie-jayx</a>