Defining "Leader"

[David Rubin]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Efrain Valles <effie-jayx at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> I would like to know how this is buroucratic, It is fourthed
> commitment to your role as a leader. A way to acknowledge your
> commitment. To simply let others know you are taking "leadership by
> example".

I was talking about how we define leadership and this always begs the
question where do you draw the line at leadership.

> Unfortunatelly there is a great number of leaders take roles and
> suddenly are not able to contribute their volutary time due to X or Y
> reasons. I have faced this in my time. I would like to express that it
> is our responsibility to the areas in which we lead need to be
> reasured of this commitment.

This is sad fact that happens, but I don't think requiring people to
"sign" a document will stop it. People that just leave with out
telling others are the types of people that will leave with out
telling even if they have signed the document.

> Where do I sign? :D

Just for the record I publically agreed to this on the ubuntu-za ML at
some point before I was elected as loco contact. If we are selecting
(note I didn't use the word electing) leaders that happen to just pick
up and leave then maybe we need to rethink our selection process and
that goes for each loco team more then the loco council since at
present the loco council isn't involved in the select process.

> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Jan Claeys <lists at janc.be> wrote:
>> Op vrijdag 23-04-2010 om 19:30 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef David
>> Rubin:
>>> "One who oversees material, or resources" this IMHO isn't a leadership
>>> position and shouldn't be held responsible. In ZA I am the loco
>>> contact, I in no way am in charge or the head hoohoo or what ever you
>>> wish to defined leadership by. I am simply the guy that subscribes to
>>> many lists and gets spamed with information and helps to push the rest
>>> of his community into being more active and keep them informed.
>>>
>>> When we opened up nominations we mentioned that a willing leader is
>>> someone that would have to follow the LCoC. We didn't expect people to
>>> sign any thing it was a simple matter of mutual agreement as to what
>>> needed to be done. If we require leadership to start signing stuff
>>> there goes the whole idea behind a community built on trust and
>>> freedom(not literally but at heart)
>>>
>>> While I agree it is great to have some nice means like the CoC and I
>>> kinda like the ceremonial process of signing the CoC(learning to use
>>> gpg and launchpad) I see no point in requesting loco
>>> leaders+tom+dick+harry to sign yet another document (the LCoC) as they
>>> start becoming more active in the loco. It reminds me of Dilbert and
>>> the giant big corporations and makes it yet another barrier to entry
>>> to Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> We already have enough issues with market share, gaming, proprietary
>>> drivers+hardware making it hard for new users to become active Ubuntu
>>> members we do not need bureaucracy helping it.
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure that gpg signed LCoC isn't legally binding and in all
>>> cases the loco-council supersedes loco contacts/leaders which in turn
>>> is superseded by community-council....
>>>
>>> I hope to never seen it officially required to sign the LCoC even
>>> though I agree with every single line of it, I do not agree with the
>>> processes which we trying to enforce them as  Paul mentioned where do
>>> you draw the line of leadership, next thing we know we are going to
>>> enforce signing the LCoC when you install Ubuntu onto a laptop because
>>> you are officially becoming a promoter of Ubuntu.
>>
>> I can see the point you're making about bureaucracy...
>>
>> I think maybe it's not necessary to make signing it mandatory, but at
>> least they should know about it (as they will be judged by it), and
>> signing it can be encouraged, especially for those who hold important
>> formal responsibilities?
>>
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