<div dir="ltr">Hi Bill<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your attention and email. It's clear you're passionate about Kubuntu and this is the comment that I am most interested in</div><div><br></div><div>'<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I have been running (K)Ubuntu now for about eighteen years and have</span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">loved it. I've recommended it to many Windows users who were</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">dissatisfied with Windows for whatever reason.'</span><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">That is precisely what we need all our users to do.<br><br>OK I've been looking into how to resolve this problem, and there is a method using kmenuedit and pkexec. I'm still testing it and if all goes well, I will write it up for others. Maybe you can test with me, it would be great to get your experiences</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Here are the steps</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">1.) Kicker Menu type 'kmenuedit' in the search box, and Run Kmenuedit</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">2.) When it opens choose the Menu you want your Root Dolphin application to be placed,and select the menu</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">3.) New Item</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">4.) Give it a name e.g 'Root Dolphin'</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">5.) In the command type/copy: </span>pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY KDE_SESSION_VERSION=5 KDE_FULL_SESSION=true dolphin</div><div>6.) Save</div><div><br></div><div>Now from the Kicker Menu type 'Root Dolphin'</div><div><br></div><div>Voila! A sudo authorisation box should ask you for your password, and once authenticated Dolphin opens and 'You Got Root!'</div><div><br></div><div>Hope that helps, and have a great day</div><div><br></div><div>Rick</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 at 17:58, <<a href="mailto:kubuntu-users-request@lists.ubuntu.com">kubuntu-users-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send kubuntu-users mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: SUDO (Bill Walsh)<br>
2. Re: SUDO (Cody Smith)<br>
3. Re: SUDO (Bill Walsh)<br>
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:27:31 -0500<br>
From: Bill Walsh <<a href="mailto:Bill@kctu.com" target="_blank">Bill@kctu.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: SUDO<br>
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On 10/9/20 10:20 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:15 AM Yahoo <<a href="mailto:bilwalsh@swbell.net" target="_blank">bilwalsh@swbell.net</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bilwalsh@swbell.net" target="_blank">bilwalsh@swbell.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Why is Kubuntu turning into Windows?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Unsure what this question has to do with your main question, really.<br>
><br>
> What dev decided that simple minded users cannot be trusted with<br>
> their operating system and has to be babysat.<br>
><br>
><br>
> That was not the reasoning at all. Devels wrestled with how to allow <br>
> this safely but could not find a way. However, if you need to make an <br>
> operation that requires sudo powers, a popup gives you a way to <br>
> provide your password.<br>
><br>
> It's a win-win -- you get to do what you need to do, and in a <br>
> completely safe way.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Executing Dolphin with sudo is not possible due to unfixable<br>
>> security vulnerabilities.<br>
><br>
> I understand those vulnerabilities but it is my choice to do so. I<br>
> don't need some nanny looking over my shoulder, a la Windows.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Again, the comparison to Windows does not help your point.<br>
><br>
> Valorie<br>
><br>
> PS: running *any* gui application with sudo is a terrible idea. Ever.<br>
><br>
There are times, such as moving a Thunderbird profile from one computer <br>
to a new one so that you have everything on both, that you have to use <br>
Dolphin, or some other bit, as administrator. That is the only way you <br>
can copy the files to a thumb drive. I know the risks I'm taking when I <br>
do something. One of the hallmarks of a Linux operating system has been <br>
the ability to "have it my way" as Burger King says.<br>
<br>
The main reason I left Windows about twenty years ago was because of the <br>
constant babysitting. Try to open a program and the popup that asks if I <br>
really want to run that program. Well, if I didn't want to run that <br>
program I wouldn't have clicked on it.<br>
<br>
I managed to break my Linux installation many times but I leaned from <br>
each experience. Simple fix, delete partition, new partition, install. I <br>
haven't broken one in about eighteen years now.<br>
<br>
If I'm here, running Linux, I must have some idea what I'm doing. If I'm <br>
as stupid as they think I am I would still be running Windows. I don't <br>
need a baby sitter. IF I do something stupid and break it I will take <br>
care of it. It's not their fault. It's mine.<br>
<br>
It has come to my attention that another Linux distro has "Run ****** as <br>
Administrator" in the menu. Popup box opens and tells you not to do <br>
anything stupid and it runs.<br>
<br>
I have been running (K)Ubuntu now for about eighteen years and have <br>
loved it. I've recommended it to many Windows users who were <br>
dissatisfied with Windows for whatever reason. But if it is going to <br>
devolve into a "Windows Clone" I suppose I will have to look around for <br>
another version of Linux. I don't want to. I would much rather stay with <br>
Kubuntu. I have been very happy with it for a very long time.<br>
<br>
<br>
P. S.<br>
<br>
I am NOT a geek/guru/or whatever. I am a simple computer user. I do NOT <br>
do command line. If I wanted to use command line I would still be <br>
running DOS. I use a Graphical User Interface because that is how I want <br>
to use my computer. Click - Runs Click- Goes Away Click - Goes to that <br>
directory Click - opens that file Not sit here typing gobbledegook on <br>
the keyboard. However, there are times I must go into a terminal and use <br>
something to attain my goal, such as running Dolphin/Kate as administrator.<br>
<br>
As I said before, I am aware of the dangers. I use it in Admin mode to <br>
do what I need and get the H E Double Hockey Sticks out. Only use it <br>
when I absolutely have to. I am not ignorant or stupid.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.<br>
Please use in that order.<br>
<br>
The soap box represents exercising one's right to freedom of speech to influence politics to defend liberty.<br>
The ballot box represents exercising one's right to vote to elect a government which defends liberty.<br>
The jury box represents using jury nullification to refuse to convict someone being prosecuted for breaking an unjust law that decreases liberty.<br>
The ammo box represents exercising one's right to keep and bear arms to oppose, in armed conflict, a government that decreases liberty.<br>
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:32:56 -0700<br>
From: Cody Smith <<a href="mailto:cody.smith@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">cody.smith@ubuntu.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: SUDO<br>
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The change isn't about babysitting, as Valerie pointed out, it's about<br>
exposing as little of an attack surface to hackers as possible. Despite<br>
what some will tell you, linux is not impervious to software<br>
vulnerabilities.<br>
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 7:28 AM Bill Walsh <<a href="mailto:Bill@kctu.com" target="_blank">Bill@kctu.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 10/9/20 10:20 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:15 AM Yahoo <<a href="mailto:bilwalsh@swbell.net" target="_blank">bilwalsh@swbell.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Why is Kubuntu turning into Windows?<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Unsure what this question has to do with your main question, really.<br>
><br>
> What dev decided that simple minded users cannot be trusted with their<br>
>> operating system and has to be babysat.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> That was not the reasoning at all. Devels wrestled with how to allow this<br>
> safely but could not find a way. However, if you need to make an operation<br>
> that requires sudo powers, a popup gives you a way to provide your<br>
> password.<br>
><br>
> It's a win-win -- you get to do what you need to do, and in a completely<br>
> safe way.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Executing Dolphin with sudo is not possible due to unfixable security<br>
>> vulnerabilities.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I understand those vulnerabilities but it is my choice to do so. I don't<br>
>> need some nanny looking over my shoulder, a la Windows.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Again, the comparison to Windows does not help your point.<br>
><br>
> Valorie<br>
><br>
> PS: running *any* gui application with sudo is a terrible idea. Ever.<br>
><br>
> There are times, such as moving a Thunderbird profile from one computer to<br>
> a new one so that you have everything on both, that you have to use<br>
> Dolphin, or some other bit, as administrator. That is the only way you can<br>
> copy the files to a thumb drive. I know the risks I'm taking when I do<br>
> something. One of the hallmarks of a Linux operating system has been the<br>
> ability to "have it my way" as Burger King says.<br>
><br>
> The main reason I left Windows about twenty years ago was because of the<br>
> constant babysitting. Try to open a program and the popup that asks if I<br>
> really want to run that program. Well, if I didn't want to run that program<br>
> I wouldn't have clicked on it.<br>
><br>
> I managed to break my Linux installation many times but I leaned from each<br>
> experience. Simple fix, delete partition, new partition, install. I haven't<br>
> broken one in about eighteen years now.<br>
><br>
> If I'm here, running Linux, I must have some idea what I'm doing. If I'm<br>
> as stupid as they think I am I would still be running Windows. I don't need<br>
> a baby sitter. IF I do something stupid and break it I will take care of<br>
> it. It's not their fault. It's mine.<br>
><br>
> It has come to my attention that another Linux distro has "Run ****** as<br>
> Administrator" in the menu. Popup box opens and tells you not to do<br>
> anything stupid and it runs.<br>
><br>
> I have been running (K)Ubuntu now for about eighteen years and have loved<br>
> it. I've recommended it to many Windows users who were dissatisfied with<br>
> Windows for whatever reason. But if it is going to devolve into a "Windows<br>
> Clone" I suppose I will have to look around for another version of Linux. I<br>
> don't want to. I would much rather stay with Kubuntu. I have been very<br>
> happy with it for a very long time.<br>
><br>
><br>
> P. S.<br>
><br>
> I am NOT a geek/guru/or whatever. I am a simple computer user. I do NOT do<br>
> command line. If I wanted to use command line I would still be running DOS.<br>
> I use a Graphical User Interface because that is how I want to use my<br>
> computer. Click - Runs Click- Goes Away Click - Goes to that directory<br>
> Click - opens that file Not sit here typing gobbledegook on the keyboard.<br>
> However, there are times I must go into a terminal and use something to<br>
> attain my goal, such as running Dolphin/Kate as administrator.<br>
><br>
> As I said before, I am aware of the dangers. I use it in Admin mode to do<br>
> what I need and get the H E Double Hockey Sticks out. Only use it when I<br>
> absolutely have to. I am not ignorant or stupid.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.<br>
> Please use in that order.<br>
><br>
> The soap box represents exercising one's right to freedom of speech to influence politics to defend liberty.<br>
> The ballot box represents exercising one's right to vote to elect a government which defends liberty.<br>
> The jury box represents using jury nullification to refuse to convict someone being prosecuted for breaking an unjust law that decreases liberty.<br>
> The ammo box represents exercising one's right to keep and bear arms to oppose, in armed conflict, a government that decreases liberty.<br>
><br>
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:58:11 -0500<br>
From: Bill Walsh <<a href="mailto:Bill@kctu.com" target="_blank">Bill@kctu.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: SUDO<br>
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On 10/10/20 11:32 AM, Cody Smith wrote:<br>
> The change isn't about babysitting, as Valerie pointed out, it's about <br>
> exposing as little of an attack surface to hackers as possible. <br>
> Despite what some will tell you, linux is not impervious to software <br>
> vulnerabilities.<br>
><br>
<br>
I'm well aware of that. Our main protection is the lack of huge user <br>
base. Lower return on investment as it were. Windows has a huge user <br>
base. And, seeing as how most of those machines are run by those that <br>
have no idea helps those with malware on their mind. They need all the <br>
babysitting they can get.<br>
<br>
When my mother was living I was the "administrator" of her computer. <br>
She, as the main user, had no admin abilities. I set it up that way. By <br>
doing that malware had no way to autoexecute. It had to have permission <br>
and a password. If the box popped up she was to deny and get away from <br>
whatever.<br>
<br>
Linux users are much better educated about operating a systems. I would <br>
hope that by the time someone gets to Linux they need no babysitting.<br>
<br>
AND, babysitting is exactly what it is.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.<br>
Please use in that order.<br>
<br>
The soap box represents exercising one's right to freedom of speech to influence politics to defend liberty.<br>
The ballot box represents exercising one's right to vote to elect a government which defends liberty.<br>
The jury box represents using jury nullification to refuse to convict someone being prosecuted for breaking an unjust law that decreases liberty.<br>
The ammo box represents exercising one's right to keep and bear arms to oppose, in armed conflict, a government that decreases liberty.<br>
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