<div dir="ltr"><div class="" style="color:rgb(31,28,27);font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px"><div dir="ltr">On Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:25:21 PM Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:</div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,128,0)!important"> <div dir="ltr">> On 12/05/13 20:17, Scott Kitterman wrote:</div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,112,0)!important"><div dir="ltr">> > Myriam Schweingruber <<a href="mailto:myriam@kde.org" style="color:rgb(0,87,174)!important;text-decoration:none!important">myriam@kde.org</a>> wrote:</div> </div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"><div dir="ltr">> >> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook</div><div dir="ltr">> >> </div> <div dir="ltr">> >> <<a href="mailto:phb@hbsys.plus.com" style="color:rgb(0,87,174)!important;text-decoration:none!important">phb@hbsys.plus.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"> <div dir="ltr">> >>> On 08/05/13 20:46, Scott Kitterman wrote:</div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"><div dir="ltr">> >>>> No one in Kubuntu had anything to do with synaptic. No conspiracy</div> </div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"><div dir="ltr">> >> </div><div dir="ltr">> >> here.</div><div dir="ltr">> >> </div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"> <div dir="ltr">> >>>> Scott K</div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"><div dir="ltr">> >>> </div><div dir="ltr">> >>> Scott,</div> <div dir="ltr">> >>> </div><div dir="ltr">> >>> I've compared synaptic on one installation - the upgraded version -</div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"> <div dir="ltr">> >> </div><div dir="ltr">> >> against</div><div dir="ltr">> >> </div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"><div dir="ltr"> > >>> the freshly installed one and the binaries are identical. I could</div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"><div dir="ltr">> >> </div> <div dir="ltr">> >> really use</div><div dir="ltr">> >> </div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"><div dir="ltr">> >>> some help in locating the cause of the different user interface that</div> </div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"><div dir="ltr">> >> </div><div dir="ltr">> >> makes</div><div dir="ltr">> >> </div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"> <div dir="ltr">> >>> the fresh install fairly useless for me.</div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,96,0)!important"><div dir="ltr">> >> </div><div dir="ltr"> > >> Did you check the dependencies of these two packages? Might be the</div><div dir="ltr">> >> other one was packaged with something missing that caused the</div><div dir="ltr">> >> difference.</div> </div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,112,0)!important"><div dir="ltr">> > </div><div dir="ltr">> > That or configuration file differences in the user's config.</div> <div dir="ltr">> > </div><div dir="ltr">> > Since synaptic isn't part of Kubuntu, you might have more luck on an</div><div dir="ltr">> > Ubuntu list.</div></div><div class="" style="font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,128,0)!important"> <div dir="ltr">> I also have an Ubuntu disk running 13.04 on the same machine: Synaptic</div><div dir="ltr">> is just fine, so the problem is somehow related to my fresh Kubuntu</div><div dir="ltr">> installation, although I hear and believe what you say about Kubuntu not</div> <div dir="ltr">> packaging Synaptic.</div><div dir="ltr">> </div><div dir="ltr">> I'd like to better understand why Myriam thinks it might be a packaging</div><div dir="ltr">> problem? The user interface is completely different and I can't believe</div> <div dir="ltr">> that it isn't the result of a design decision somewhere. Would your</div><div dir="ltr">> patience extend to looking at a screenshot of the "new" interface in</div><div dir="ltr">> case it triggers a memory?</div> <div dir="ltr">> </div><div dir="ltr">> Peter HB</div></div><div class="" style="color:rgb(31,28,27);font-family:'Sans Serif';font-size:12px"><br><div dir="ltr">Synaptic , like Muon, uses an external application to manage sources. In </div> <div dir="ltr">Kubuntu, it is called software-properties-kde, and for synaptic, Unity, Gnome </div><div dir="ltr">and other gtk-based desktops it is *software-properties-gtk*. It could be that </div><div dir="ltr">this is missing, perhaps. I tested installing synaptic on my system: it does </div> <div dir="ltr">NOT pull in software-properties-gtk, so checking the deps as Myriam suggested </div><div dir="ltr">was a valid idea. if you install the missing package, you should be fine there.</div><br><div dir="ltr">$ sudo apt-get install synaptic</div> <div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">Reading package lists... Done</div><div dir="ltr">Building dependency tree </div><div dir="ltr">Reading state information... Done</div> <div dir="ltr">The following extra packages will be installed:</div><div dir="ltr"> libcairo-perl libept1.4.12 libglib-perl libgtk2-perl libpango-perl </div><div dir="ltr">librarian0</div><div dir="ltr"> libvte-2.90-9 libvte-2.90-common rarian-compat</div> <div dir="ltr">Suggested packages:</div><div dir="ltr"> libfont-freetype-perl libgtk2-perl-doc dwww deborphan tasksel</div><div dir="ltr"> <b>*software-properties-gtk*</b></div><div dir="ltr">The following NEW packages will be installed:</div> <div dir="ltr"> libcairo-perl libept1.4.12 libglib-perl libgtk2-perl libpango-perl </div><div dir="ltr">librarian0</div><div dir="ltr"> libvte-2.90-9 libvte-2.90-common rarian-compat synaptic</div><div dir="ltr">0 upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.</div> <div dir="ltr">Need to get 4,671 kB of archives.</div><br><div dir="ltr">My guess is that software-properties-gtk is already a dependency somewhere </div><div dir="ltr">else in Unity/Xubuntu/Lubuntu/etc. It could be considered a packaging bug, as </div> <div dir="ltr">it should be a dependency on the package manager so that it is installed along </div><div dir="ltr">with that no matter what sort of *buntu system is used, especially if it was </div><div dir="ltr">doing so in previous versions. However, it seems that moving software-</div> <div dir="ltr">properties-gtk to "suggests" was done on purpose(1) but with no reason I can </div><div dir="ltr">quickly discover.</div><br><div dir="ltr">This should be reported as a bug:</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/1179310" style="color:rgb(0,87,174)!important;text-decoration:none!important">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/1179310</a></div> <br><br><div dir="ltr">(1) </div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/s/synaptic/synaptic_0.80~exp2/changelog" style="color:rgb(0,87,174)!important;text-decoration:none!important">http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/s/synaptic/synaptic_0.80~exp2/changelog</a></div> <br><br><div dir="ltr">-- </div><div dir="ltr">Clay Weber (claydoh)</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://kubuntuforums.net" style="color:rgb(0,87,174)!important;text-decoration:none!important">http://kubuntuforums.net</a></div> <div dir="ltr"><a href="http://claydoh.com" style="color:rgb(0,87,174)!important;text-decoration:none!important">http://claydoh.com</a></div></div></div>