<html><head></head><body><div class="gmail_quote">Clay Weber <clay@claydoh.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> While I do agree with you in general, there are reasons for this etiquette that have their basis more on efficiency and usability. What we need to do is be friendlier about it, point folks to the guidelines a friendly manner <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists">http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists</a> while maintaining a level of overall friendliness. -- Clay Weber <div class="gmail_quote">Steve Riley <stvrly@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: sans-serif">On 2012-05-30 17:01:18 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > So concerned you are about it that you then go ahead and quote in full > not only the original post but also the reply to it in HTML format! The following is not directed to any one person specifically. People have different online habits. Those who began their Internet journey adopted one set of habits, largely informed by the norms of the then-popular Usenet community. Some of these habits probably had to do with the limited storage space and narrow bandwidth of the times. Contributors to email and news threads parsed messages, carefully pruning and grafting elements so that only the necessary parts were carried through to maintain the conversation flow. Other people began their Internet journey differently. Mostly, these folk initially gained their computer experience using internal corporate systems, where storage and bandwidth were less of a concern. The tools themselves (yeah, I mean Outlook and Notes) adopted a different pattern. Top-posting and reply-all was (and is) useful in corporate settings. The ability to apply text formatting is also useful. Naturally, these people brought their behavior to the Internet when corporate networks and the Internet converged. Personally, I straddle both worlds. But I don't think it's right to expect everyone to do that. Kvetching on lists about the "proper" way to format messages is likely not to result in the desired behavior changes. In fact, it comes across as elitist and alienating. If Windows 8 turns out to be the disaster that the prognosticators appear convinced it will be, a certain percentage of Windows exiles might find their way to Kubuntu. Some of these might also find their way to this email list. They will bring with them habits gained from years of doing things the Windows way. Are these habits in some manner wrong? No, of course not. They're just different. We, then, are faced with a choice: we can either welcome them to the wonderful world that is community-driven free software, or we can drive them away. Let's not drive them away. ...Steve Riley ...administrator, Kubuntu Forums -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users</a> </pre></blockquote></div></blockquote></div> Hehe just realized I never checked K9 mail's quote/reply settings! I just switched back to it yesterday. -- Clay Weber</body></html>