<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Me too... kde-4.8 works fine on 12.04 Le 06/03/2012 11:52, Dale Trombley a écrit : <blockquote cite="mid:CAPQHEAztW4eJ1nfjsM1K64371FATThCg_LDeraJJtJnop1u8cA@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <meta http-equiv="Context-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> Just need to add my 2 cents. I'm currently running 11.10 on 10 machines (also undocumented). My wife's, her three kids (ages 17, 13, 7) my moms (about 65) my dad in-law (74 I think) my kid (14) my bro (44) my niece (23 and using it in college) etc. I'm running 12.04 dev on mine as my primary (I know I know lol) and they are all running great and they're all very happy with it. I love the icons only task manager in 12.04. And everyone else I have smooth-tasks installed. My dad in-law (in his 70's) installed and admins his own Kubuntu system. These aren't the 10.04 that you are complaining about but it shows I think that each release improves tenfold over the other at least since kde4.x was started. Perhaps an upgrade is a good call for you. 12.04 will be released soon and I highly recommend it to everyone. <div>On Mar 5, 2012 11:00 PM, "Bruce Bales" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bbales@cox.net">bbales@cox.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote> On 03/05/2012 03:02 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rterry@pacific.net.au">rterry@pacific.net.au</a> wrote: <blockquote> On Tuesday 06 March 2012 02:36:31 Bruce Bales wrote: <blockquote> On 03/05/2012 05:07 AM, Mark Greenwood wrote: <blockquote> <blockquote> On Mar 5, 2012 2:33 AM, "James Cain"<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:james.cain.25@gmail.com">james.cain.25@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:james.cain.25@gmail.com">james.cain.25@gmail. com</a>>> wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Leslie Anne Chatterton <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lahc2007@gmail.com">lahc2007@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lahc2007@gmail.com">lah c2007@gmail.com</a>>> wrote: Hi Bruce, Well I guess Kubuntu isn't for everyone and we need to hear experiences like yours to bring us back to reality. I think there are probably lots of Windows and Mac users who have had similarly frustrating experiences but don't want to speak up and appear like dummies. Linux will become mainstream only when it offers a "foolproof" edition that is unbreakable, as well as the tinkerer's versions that most of us now enjoy. Good point in pointing out that we need brought back to reality now and again :) However, 3 key points here that we free software users occasionally need reminded of: * Kubuntu is developed (99%) by volunteers. For those who rant and rave about how nothing works, if you can't donate to the KDE e.V., help the community, or at least report bugs (if not triage them), what gives you the right to complain at all? </blockquote> </blockquote> A few years ago there was lots of talk about "Linux on the desktop," where the intention was that everyone could use the open source Linux and be free from Microsoft. I write a newsletter that goes to 165 former High School classmates. All use Windows or Macs and I am certain that none could install and configure and be satisfied using Kubuntu 10-4. If it is unusable, should we complain? bruce </blockquote> That's almost enough to start a flame war! Kubuntu 10-4 is very very stable. I've had a number of my windows friends install this on their machines and were blown away by how easy it was to install, how quick the install was compared to Windows. Yes, like any new operating system one has to learn a slightly different way of getting around, but the same applies to Macs for windows users. None of your 165 high school mates would need linux to read a newsletter you wrote on a linux machine! A number of my windows based friends - tired of the perpetual problem with malware and virus's are now running Kubuntu side by side on a separate box on their desktop doing the comparison. I suspect there are a huge number of 'silent' linux users out there like myself, who have never registered with the wider community that they run linux - as mentioned in a previous post I have (let me do an accurate mental count) 10 machines here at work including 2 servers and 1 laptop and 1 server at home running linux - all uncounted in the grand stats). I'd be keen for you to list all the unsuable features of a linux desktop. Regards Richard </blockquote> Sorry, Richard. I guess I wasn't clear about my own computing. I use Linux and have for over ten years and my only use of Windows was once at my son's house I used the browser for a bit. My 165 classmates have no problems with my emails. You don't have to sell me on Linux. My problem is that Kubuntu 10.04 is very difficult to use compared to Kubuntu 8.04. And was harder to install. In fact I had to procure another computer because neither 9.04 nor 9.10 nor 10.04 would install on my Dell Dimension 2400. And the live CD would not run. I don't like it that my email client (kmail) is unusable and Thunderbird only a little better. Is it possible that Thunderbird really doesn't have a word-wrap function? With kmail you could set it for the width you wanted. I don't like it that the names of the programs in the tray at the bottom of my screen don't show the name of the program, but show file name, which changes when I look at another file; (I want to see "Firefox" and not "Snopes.com". I don't like the program names in the tray to be transparent making them harder to read. When the mouse passes over one of these names in the tray a small worthless panel jumps up, covering all underneath. When I have been writing an email and click on the Thunderbird icon at the bottom, a double panel pops up showing the inbox and the drafts box. When I select one of these the double panel is no longer needed, but it stays up, blocking whatever is behind it. I made a panel on the left side to keep the icons representing my most used programs. The panel is fixed width, the icons can't be changed (with 8.04 I could make my own icon -- something I could recognize).The icons can't be rearranged. With 8.04, the tray was a double-decker, so there was room for more programs there. Am I the only one who has eight programs open at once? I haven't had much time to try gimp -- just enough to find that It doesn't work like it did. More relearning to do. bruce -- kubuntu-users mailing list <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users">https://lists.ubuntu.com/ mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users</a> </blockquote> </div> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> </blockquote> </body> </html>