<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=us-ascii" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Steven Vollom wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:49138F48.1030208@sbcglobal.net" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Bruce Marshall wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Thursday 06 November 2008, Ian MacGregor wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10. Fork it, create a whole new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to use KDE4* and I'll bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of feces I've ever seen in the software world. This is a classic example of "trying to look pretty and sacrificing productivity in the process". </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">You've got my vote. I downloaded the beta and then the final release. Neither one is going to work for me. I'll wait (a few years) for KDE to come back into usable status. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">I haven't really thought about the issue, but I did remove 3.4 quite a while ago while still in 3.5.9 deciding to wait a bit. Finally I moved to 3.5.10, but like you, I don't want to use 3.4 either. Before I will accept 3.4, I will change to another product altogether. I hate to complain, because I am so grateful for the free system we enjoy, but given choices, even when free, you take the better choice, don't you. I feel for the 3.4 creators; they are doing their best to improve. I wish I could understand their reason for making the changes they made, perhaps I could find the utility too. </pre> </blockquote> I use Kubuntu for personal use (and thoroughly enjoy it) but would love to use it for work! Because I need Outlook & couple of Microsoft apps I tried crossover for Office 2003, that was absolutely useless. I tried to install virtualbox but I would rather walk over hot coals than spend another day trying to get bridged networking going. I too will wait until we get our act together & release a enterprise ready version. Cary </body> </html>