Everything in the "widget" menu can be dragged anywhere. Just remove the menu and re-add it, dragging it off the menu into position instead of double-clicking on it. The way things stand with Plasma right now, once something's on the panel it can't be moved. I think this is fixed in 4.1. -p. <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Steve Lamb <<a href="mailto:grey@dmiyu.org">grey@dmiyu.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Ok. I figured out that there are two KMenus in KDE4. The really crappy Vista wannabe menu and the old-style, highly useful menu. I removed the crappy one and went to add the good one only to have it appear on the far left. Try as I might I cannot find a way to get the thing to move on the bar nor any way to add anything in any position other than the far left. Any clues? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -- kubuntu-users mailing list <a href="mailto:kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users</a> </blockquote></div>