<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><DIV>On Oct 17, 2005, at 15:35, Art Alexion wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Simon Rönnqvist wrote:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Anyways, due to the richer feature set and flexibility KDE might just</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">be the winner... even though it could lend some of the smoothness from</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Gnome.</DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Things change with time.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>I always preferred kde to gnome, but found KDE</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to be more resource hungry.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>In the past (on Red Hat), I used KDE when I</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">needed it, and Fluxbox when I didn't.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Gnome was always a compromise</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">that filled no needs.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>It didn't do much more than Fluxbox, while</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">devouring far greater resources. <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>It was slower than Fluxbox and weaker</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">than KDE.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>When I switched to Ubuntu, I figured I'd stick with gnome for</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">speed.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>This was a faster machine and Fluxbox wasn't necessary.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>But</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">then I tried KDE and found that the speed difference of Gnome vs. KDE</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">wasn't significant, and KDE met far more of my needs.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>This all seems to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">prove that Linux environments improve efficiency as well as features</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">over time as contrasted with windows which seems to improve features at</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the expense of efficiency (just throw more hardware at it).</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> I kind of figured that when using Gnome and having KDE-stuff installed one can anyways get the most out of KDE, because very little of the KDE features are outside actual applications such as Konqueror. My proposal for the ultimate Linux desktop would actually be Gnome with good KDE integration. This is because the Gnome interface is much userfrendlier and IMHO. a bit smoother than KDE. While Gnome can sometimes be a bit short on functionality, we can trust those looking for that functionality to be able to find them through the KDE applications. As it is today Ubuntu with KDE installed does a very good job at this, and even futher intentional integration would make it even cooler. (BTW. If you haven't checked out Gnome in Breezy, you definitely should... it's fixed the most disturbing shortcomings in Hoary.)</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">But as for stability, I never noticed much of a difference between KDE</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">vs. Gnome.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Beyond the features an individual might need that one</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">environment does better, it is just a matter of vanilla vs. chocolate.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If you want to see a big difference in terms of non windows interface</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">and speed, drop Gnome and KDE and try Fluxbox.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"></FONT><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"> I've found KDE giving me 'bombmessges' quite often. Especially now since the upgrade to Breezy it's been unacceptably unstable and sometimes behaved really wierdly. (Such as opened CD:s more than once after inserting them. Even when I tried the Kubuntu Live DVD on my PowerBook the sound didn't work and I didn't get the network working either. The Window menu in Konqueror also seems to be missing, so consider this a bugreport. :-) </FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">I also had to swich back to GDM since KDM started messing up Gnome, starting some kdeinit processes and such.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">However</FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">, this may of course well be instability in Kubuntu and not KDE in general. But at least for now this means that I'll be running Ubuntu (Gnome) yet enjoying a bunch of KDE applications in a stable and smooth manner. :-)</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"> cheers, Simon</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>