<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><DIV>On Oct 14, 2005, at 17:31, Derek Broughton wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Simon Rönnqvist wrote:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Oct 14, 2005, at 15:36, Derek Broughton wrote:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">So what you are suggesting is to not touch dist-upgrade in case it's</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">suggesting these kind of radical things (as shown in my last mail)?</DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Absolutely not!<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>You're trying to upgrade from Hoary to Breezy - of _course_</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">it's going to make a lot of changes.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>However, whenever there's this much</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">happening I do "upgrade" first, followed by "dist-upgrade".<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Upgrade will</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">never add or remove anything, it only upgrades currently installed</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">packages.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>So what happens when you're doing regular updates of the testing</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">stage (breezy until this week, dapper soon) is that "upgrade" usually</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">installs a lot of stuff, making the "dist-upgrade" step much less</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">frightening.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> OK, now since you're all saying I should do the dist-upgrade, I'll do it...</DIV><DIV>And if something screws up badly you'll hear me scream all the way from Finland... ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The files are getting downloaded as we speak... and it'll take a couple of hours due to my slow line... So it's not yet too late to interupt in case there's good reason to.</DIV><DIV>But on the other hand, then there should be some solution on how to go further from here... because at some point I will have to upgrade my stuff...</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Instead I should just wait and see if I can get this fixed later on</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">just using upgrade, right?</DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">No, it can't possibly happen.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Meanwhile, you say you had trouble finding information about the upgrade</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">process - I've seen at least three posts on this group telling you where to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">find it. <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>I didn't look here... I started at the place where it should be, the infopages at the website... (This is a trivial task that most people will have to do anyways...)</DIV><DIV>Then I started digging through the forums, and eventually found some hints... Just commons searching through forums and stuff, but I was surprised not to find the info almost immediately.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Speaking of the forums... I just noticed that there are now different Kubuntu forums plus this mailinglist, wouldn't there be a reason to unify these resources? Now there's at least the Kubuntu section under de Ubuntu forum, the separate Kubuntu forum and this mailinglist. In a sense I think that the most sensible place to discuss would be under the Ubuntu forum, since Kubuntu and Ubuntu have such a lot of things in common. Or essentially they're one single distro pretending to be two. :-)</DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"> cheers, Simon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>