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Who said anything about immunity?
But what you say sounds so big and important, but empty it still is.


On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 12:34 PM Cody Smith <cody.smith at ubuntu.com> wrote:

> The change isn't about babysitting, as Valerie pointed out, it's about
> exposing as little of an attack surface to hackers as possible. Despite
> what some will tell you, linux is not impervious to software
> vulnerabilities.
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 7:28 AM Bill Walsh <Bill at kctu.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/9/20 10:20 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:15 AM Yahoo <bilwalsh at swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Why is Kubuntu turning into Windows?
>>>
>>
>> Unsure what this question has to do with your main question, really.
>>
>> What dev decided that simple minded users cannot be trusted with their
>>> operating system and has to be babysat.
>>>
>>
>> That was not the reasoning at all. Devels wrestled with how to allow this
>> safely but could not find a way. However, if you need to make an operation
>> that requires sudo powers, a popup gives you a way to provide your
>> password.
>>
>> It's a win-win -- you get to do what you need to do, and in a completely
>> safe way.
>>
>>>
>>> Executing Dolphin with sudo is not possible due to unfixable security
>>> vulnerabilities.
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand those vulnerabilities but it is my choice to do so. I don't
>>> need some nanny looking over my shoulder, a la Windows.
>>>
>>
>> Again, the comparison to Windows does not help your point.
>>
>> Valorie
>>
>> PS: running *any* gui application with sudo is a terrible idea. Ever.
>>
>> There are times, such as moving a Thunderbird profile from one computer
>> to a new one so that you have everything on both, that you have to use
>> Dolphin, or some other bit, as administrator. That is the only way you can
>> copy the files to a thumb drive. I know the risks I'm taking when I do
>> something. One of the hallmarks of a Linux operating system has been the
>> ability to "have it my way" as Burger King says.
>>
>> The main reason I left Windows about twenty years ago was because of the
>> constant babysitting. Try to open a program and the popup that asks if I
>> really want to run that program. Well, if I didn't want to run that program
>> I wouldn't have clicked on it.
>>
>> I managed to break my Linux installation many times but I leaned from
>> each experience. Simple fix, delete partition, new partition, install. I
>> haven't broken one in about eighteen years now.
>>
>> If I'm here, running Linux, I must have some idea what I'm doing. If I'm
>> as stupid as they think I am I would still be running Windows. I don't need
>> a baby sitter. IF I do something stupid and break it I will take care of
>> it. It's not their fault. It's mine.
>>
>> It has come to my attention that another Linux distro has "Run ****** as
>> Administrator" in the menu. Popup box opens and tells you not to do
>> anything stupid and it runs.
>>
>> I have been running (K)Ubuntu now for about eighteen years and have loved
>> it. I've recommended it to many Windows users who were dissatisfied with
>> Windows for whatever reason. But if it is going to devolve into a "Windows
>> Clone" I suppose I will have to look around for another version of Linux. I
>> don't want to. I would much rather stay with Kubuntu. I have been very
>> happy with it for a very long time.
>>
>>
>> P. S.
>>
>> I am NOT a geek/guru/or whatever. I am a simple computer user. I do NOT
>> do command line. If I wanted to use command line I would still be running
>> DOS. I use a Graphical User Interface because that is how I want to use my
>> computer. Click - Runs  Click- Goes Away  Click - Goes to that directory
>> Click - opens that file   Not sit here typing gobbledegook on the keyboard.
>> However, there are times I must go into a terminal and use something to
>> attain my goal, such as running Dolphin/Kate as administrator.
>>
>> As I said before, I am aware of the dangers. I use it in Admin mode to do
>> what I need and get the H  E  Double Hockey Sticks out. Only use it when I
>> absolutely have to. I am not ignorant or stupid.
>>
>> --
>> There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.
>> Please use in that order.
>>
>> The soap box represents exercising one's right to freedom of speech to influence politics to defend liberty.
>> The ballot box represents exercising one's right to vote to elect a government which defends liberty.
>> The jury box represents using jury nullification to refuse to convict someone being prosecuted for breaking an unjust law that decreases liberty.
>> The ammo box represents exercising one's right to keep and bear arms to oppose, in armed conflict, a government that decreases liberty.
>>
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