From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Tue May 1 02:05:07 2018 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Installation Problem In-Reply-To: References: <34d7d0e3c87291beb7f7d70a5771143b.squirrel@claydoh.com> Message-ID: Thanks Clay, I''ll give it a shot. Bill On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Clay Weber wrote: > On Mon, April 30, 2018 6:20 am, Bill Vance wrote: > >> >> Apr 30 02:10:29 xpresso nginx[27123]: nginx: [emerg] bind() to >> [::]:80 failed (98: Address already in use) >> Apr 30 02:10:29 xpresso nginx[27123]: nginx: [emerg] bind() to >> 0.0.0.0:80 failed (98: Address already in use) >> Apr 30 02:10:29 xpresso nginx[27123]: nginx: [emerg] bind() to >> [::]:80 failed (98: Address already in use) >> Apr 30 02:10:30 xpresso nginx[27123]: nginx: [emerg] bind() to >> 0.0.0.0:80 failed (98: Address already in use) >> Apr 30 02:10:30 xpresso nginx[27123]: nginx: [emerg] bind() to >> [::]:80 failed (98: Address already in use) >> Apr 30 02:10:30 xpresso nginx[27123]: nginx: [emerg] still could >> not bind() Apr 30 02:10:30 xpresso systemd[1]: nginx.service: Control >> process exited, code=exited status=1 Apr 30 02:10:30 xpresso systemd[1]: >> Failed to start A high >> performance web server and a reverse proxy server. Apr 30 02:10:30 xpresso >> systemd[1]: nginx.service: Unit entered >> failed state. Apr 30 02:10:30 xpresso systemd[1]: nginx.service: Failed >> with result 'exit-code'. > > As far as I can tell, the nginx web server seems to fail to start after > installing as some other program already installed (like apache?) is using > port [::]:80, or you either have to enable ipv6 on your system, or > configure nginx web server to use ipv6 only. > > Some ideas here, among other links: > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14972792/nginx-nginx-emerg-bind-to-80-failed-98-address-already-in-use > > Ultimately this is more of an nginx web server setup/config/environment > issue, and less a KDE/Kubuntu one, so there may not be many with the > related experience or knowledge here. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From basroufs at gmail.com Sat May 5 09:25:08 2018 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 11:25:08 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 18.04 LTS does not start after fresh installation from "mSATA TO USB3.0." Message-ID: Hello everybody. Several attempts I have done to install Kubuntu 18.04 LTS at a Lenovo X220. The pendrive i am using is a mSATA TO USB3.0." with a small SSD of 60 GB and a speed of 6gb/s. I have been using mkusb-dus to format the drive to fat32, after which I used another option of the same package to clone the iso to the pendrive. mkUSB-dus seemingly works well. i also do manage to boot the ISO from the stick and to carry out the installation procedure. However, I stumble at three problems who are possibly interrelated: I do not manage to carry out a SHA256SUM - test at the pendrive; at the end of the installation procedure, I do not get any instruction to remove the "installation media", the pendrive, at a certain moment; the newly installed system simply does not start. Can anybody help me to solve these problems? Yours. Bas G. Roufs. -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basroufs at gmail.com Sat May 5 09:31:52 2018 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 11:31:52 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 18.04 LTS does not start after fresh installation from "mSATA TO USB3.0." In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PS. I am using this reference material: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating_a_ bootable_Ubuntu_USB_flash_drive_from_Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager/iso2usb/FormatHelp https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads 2018-05-05 11:25 GMT+02:00 Bas Roufs : > Hello everybody. > > Several attempts I have done to install Kubuntu 18.04 LTS at a Lenovo > X220. > The pendrive i am using is a mSATA TO USB3.0." with a small SSD of 60 GB > and a speed of 6gb/s. I have been using mkusb-dus to format the drive to > fat32, after which I used another option of the same package to clone the > iso to the pendrive. mkUSB-dus seemingly works well. i also do manage to > boot the ISO from the stick and to carry out the installation procedure. > However, I stumble at three problems who are possibly interrelated: > I do not manage to carry out a SHA256SUM - test at the pendrive; > at the end of the installation procedure, I do not get any instruction to > remove the "installation media", the pendrive, at a certain moment; > the newly installed system simply does not start. > > Can anybody help me to solve these problems? > > Yours. > Bas G. Roufs. > > -- > > Bas G. Roufs > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; > > > -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hey bas. what i use to make a pendrive/thumbdrive to install from is startup disk creator from the software center in kubuntu. it's perhaps the easiest program to create one and the issue you've got about no instructions to remove the media before restarting could indicate a bad thumbdrive. i was experiencing the same issue and then i bought a new one and it worked perfectly. no issues at all. i picked up a sandisk 16 GB mini thumbdrive for around USD $10 from Amazon. it's a USB 3.1 unit and backwards compatible with previous versions of USB ports (1.1, 2.0, 3.0). so go into the discover software center and search for startup disk creator and try that out. let me know how it goes. charlie On 05/05/2018 02:31 AM, Bas Roufs wrote: > PS. I am using this reference material: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating_a_bootable_Ubuntu_USB_flash_drive_from_Ubuntu > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager/iso2usb/FormatHelp > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb > > > https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads > > > 2018-05-05 11:25 GMT+02:00 Bas Roufs >: > > Hello everybody. > > Several attempts I have done to install Kubuntu 18.04 LTS at a > Lenovo X220. > The pendrive i am using is a mSATA TO USB3.0." with a small SSD of > 60 GB and a speed of 6gb/s. I have been using mkusb-dus to format > the drive to fat32, after which I used another option of the same > package to clone the iso to the pendrive. mkUSB-dus seemingly > works well. i also do manage to boot the ISO from the stick and to > carry out the installation procedure. However, I stumble at three > problems who are possibly interrelated: > I do not manage to carry out a SHA256SUM - test at the pendrive; > at the end of the installation procedure, I do not get any > instruction to remove the "installation media", the pendrive, at a > certain moment; > the newly installed system simply does not start. > > Can anybody help me to solve these problems? > > Yours. > Bas G. Roufs. > > -- > > Bas G. Roufs > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com ; > Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; > > > > > > -- > > Bas G. Roufs > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com ; Mob. > +31 6 446 835 10; > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clay at claydoh.com Sat May 5 23:26:45 2018 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 19:26:45 -0400 Subject: Do not manage to start Aptik in Kubuntu 18.04 LTS. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <341fec81376bd3215deb6d6b19ed1926.squirrel@claydoh.com> On Sat, May 5, 2018 6:05 am, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Everybody. > > > Have added the Aptik repo and installed Aptik along the instructions of > this page: > > http://www.teejeetech.in/p/aptik.html > > > However, I do not manage to even START Aptik - not via the K-Menu, also > not via ALT-F2, even not from the command line. > > Have installed Kubuntu 18.04 LTS at "Eee PC seashell series" together > with Intel ATOM N570 Dual Core CPU. > > > Yours. > Bas G. Roufs. > This is an aptik problem, but I did find the fix here: https://github.com/teejee2008/aptik/issues/6 From basroufs at gmail.com Sat May 5 23:40:53 2018 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sun, 6 May 2018 01:40:53 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Do not manage to start Aptik in Kubuntu 18.04 LTS. In-Reply-To: <341fec81376bd3215deb6d6b19ed1926.squirrel@claydoh.com> References: <341fec81376bd3215deb6d6b19ed1926.squirrel@claydoh.com> Message-ID: Hello Clay, George and others. Yes - "Aptik-GTK" works quite well. I did manage to make backup - however, I keep getting "errors". Pls. take a look at the report attached to this message. Is or are there any ways to avoid such "backup errors"? Yours. Bas G. Roufs. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Clay Weber Date: 2018-05-06 1:26 GMT+02:00 Subject: Re: Do not manage to start Aptik in Kubuntu 18.04 LTS. To: Kubuntu user technical support On Sat, May 5, 2018 6:05 am, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Everybody. > > > Have added the Aptik repo and installed Aptik along the instructions of > this page: > > http://www.teejeetech.in/p/aptik.html > > > However, I do not manage to even START Aptik - not via the K-Menu, also > not via ALT-F2, even not from the command line. > > Have installed Kubuntu 18.04 LTS at "Eee PC seashell series" together > with Intel ATOM N570 Dual Core CPU. > > > Yours. > Bas G. Roufs. > This is an aptik problem, but I did find the fix here: https://github.com/teejee2008/aptik/issues/6 -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- From clay at claydoh.com Sun May 6 01:20:30 2018 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 21:20:30 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Do not manage to start Aptik in Kubuntu 18.04 LTS. In-Reply-To: References: <341fec81376bd3215deb6d6b19ed1926.squirrel@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <90cd1c2c20a2264c2c6939f02c8d5d46.squirrel@claydoh.com> You'll have to either paste the relevant content here, else post the text to an online paste bin. Anyway, I had never heard of aptik before, nor have ever had the need for such a tool. Not knowing what the errors are, you might want to discuss it with the aptik folks to get the best answers, I'll guess. On Sat, May 5, 2018 7:40 pm, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Clay, George and others. > > > Yes - "Aptik-GTK" works quite well. > > > I did manage to make backup - however, I keep getting "errors". Pls. > take a look at the report attached to this message. Is or are there any > ways to avoid such "backup errors"? > > Yours. > > > > Bas G. Roufs. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Clay Weber > Date: 2018-05-06 1:26 GMT+02:00 > Subject: Re: Do not manage to start Aptik in Kubuntu 18.04 LTS. > To: Kubuntu user technical support > > > > On Sat, May 5, 2018 6:05 am, Bas Roufs wrote: > >> Hello Everybody. >> >> >> >> Have added the Aptik repo and installed Aptik along the instructions of >> this page: >> >> http://www.teejeetech.in/p/aptik.html >> >> >> >> However, I do not manage to even START Aptik - not via the K-Menu, also >> not via ALT-F2, even not from the command line. >> >> Have installed Kubuntu 18.04 LTS at "Eee PC seashell series" together >> with Intel ATOM N570 Dual Core CPU. >> >> >> Yours. >> Bas G. Roufs. >> >> > > This is an aptik problem, but I did find the fix here: > https://github.com/teejee2008/aptik/issues/6 > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or > unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > > > Bas G. Roufs > > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or > unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From basroufs at gmail.com Mon May 7 13:18:09 2018 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 15:18:09 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Do not manage to start Aptik in Kubuntu 18.04 LTS. In-Reply-To: <90cd1c2c20a2264c2c6939f02c8d5d46.squirrel@claydoh.com> References: <341fec81376bd3215deb6d6b19ed1926.squirrel@claydoh.com> <90cd1c2c20a2264c2c6939f02c8d5d46.squirrel@claydoh.com> Message-ID: In the mean time, I did manage to solve the Aptik problems. 2018-05-06 3:20 GMT+02:00 Clay Weber : > You'll have to either paste the relevant content here, else post the text > to an online paste bin. > > Anyway, I had never heard of aptik before, nor have ever had the need for > such a tool. Not knowing what the errors are, you might want to discuss > it with the aptik folks to get the best answers, I'll guess. > > > > On Sat, May 5, 2018 7:40 pm, Bas Roufs wrote: > > Hello Clay, George and others. > > > > > > Yes - "Aptik-GTK" works quite well. > > > > > > I did manage to make backup - however, I keep getting "errors". Pls. > > take a look at the report attached to this message. Is or are there any > > ways to avoid such "backup errors"? > > > > Yours. > > > > > > > > Bas G. Roufs. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Clay Weber > > Date: 2018-05-06 1:26 GMT+02:00 > > Subject: Re: Do not manage to start Aptik in Kubuntu 18.04 LTS. > > To: Kubuntu user technical support > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 5, 2018 6:05 am, Bas Roufs wrote: > > > >> Hello Everybody. > >> > >> > >> > >> Have added the Aptik repo and installed Aptik along the instructions of > >> this page: > >> > >> http://www.teejeetech.in/p/aptik.html > >> > >> > >> > >> However, I do not manage to even START Aptik - not via the K-Menu, also > >> not via ALT-F2, even not from the command line. > >> > >> Have installed Kubuntu 18.04 LTS at "Eee PC seashell series" together > >> with Intel ATOM N570 Dual Core CPU. > >> > >> > >> Yours. > >> Bas G. Roufs. > >> > >> > > > > This is an aptik problem, but I did find the fix here: > > https://github.com/teejee2008/aptik/issues/6 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify > settings or > > unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Bas G. Roufs > > > > > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify > settings or > > unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bas G Roufs. 2018-05-05 18:28 GMT+02:00 charlie : > hey bas. > > what i use to make a pendrive/thumbdrive to install from is startup disk > creator from the software center in kubuntu. it's perhaps the easiest > program to create one and the issue you've got about no instructions to > remove the media before restarting could indicate a bad thumbdrive. i was > experiencing the same issue and then i bought a new one and it worked > perfectly. no issues at all. i picked up a sandisk 16 GB mini thumbdrive > for around USD $10 from Amazon. it's a USB 3.1 unit and backwards > compatible with previous versions of USB ports (1.1, 2.0, 3.0). > > so go into the discover software center and search for startup disk > creator and try that out. > > let me know how it goes. > charlie > > On 05/05/2018 02:31 AM, Bas Roufs wrote: > > PS. I am using this reference material: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick# > Creating_a_bootable_Ubuntu_USB_flash_drive_from_Ubuntu > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager/iso2usb/FormatHelp > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb > > https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads > > 2018-05-05 11:25 GMT+02:00 Bas Roufs : > >> Hello everybody. >> >> Several attempts I have done to install Kubuntu 18.04 LTS at a Lenovo >> X220. >> The pendrive i am using is a mSATA TO USB3.0." with a small SSD of 60 GB >> and a speed of 6gb/s. I have been using mkusb-dus to format the drive to >> fat32, after which I used another option of the same package to clone the >> iso to the pendrive. mkUSB-dus seemingly works well. i also do manage to >> boot the ISO from the stick and to carry out the installation procedure. >> However, I stumble at three problems who are possibly interrelated: >> I do not manage to carry out a SHA256SUM - test at the pendrive; >> at the end of the installation procedure, I do not get any instruction to >> remove the "installation media", the pendrive, at a certain moment; >> the newly installed system simply does not start. >> >> Can anybody help me to solve these problems? >> >> Yours. >> Bas G. Roufs. >> >> -- >> >> Bas G. Roufs >> >> Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; >> >> >> > > > -- > > Bas G. Roufs > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; > > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basroufs at gmail.com Mon May 7 15:43:44 2018 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 17:43:44 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 18.04 ISO live USB: BIOS does not "see" it, laptop does not boot it. Message-ID: Hello everybody. At present, I am working at a correctly functioning Lenovo X220 running at Kubuntu 18.04 LTS amd 64. The laptop has now one SSD of 128 GB at which the system is running. There is also a HD of 320 GB. Soon, I will replace that HD and buy this SSD: KingSpec P3-1TB 2.5 inch SATA SSD When I will acquire this one, I'll need a bootable usb stick with Kubuntu 18.04. Have tried several times to create it at a "Sandisk Ultra USB 3.0" with a view to running from there a "live" system, in order to test it. Have been using mkusb-dus OR startup-disk-creator to put the ISO at the stick. Have been using mkbus-dus to reconvert the stick to a fat32-mass storage device. All those tests seemingly work well, till I try to boot the laptop from the USB stick, The BIOS does not "see" it - the laptop does not boot from it. By trying all this, I try to follow these guidelines: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Booting_the_Computer_from_USB Can anybody guide me towards some solution? Yours. Bas G. Roufs. -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Mon May 7 16:10:29 2018 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 18:10:29 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 18.04 ISO live USB: BIOS does not "see" it, laptop does not boot it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10526559.y7N7Tab7VY@p5915> Bas Roufs wrote: > All those tests seemingly work well, till I try to boot the laptop > from the USB stick, The BIOS does not "see" it - the laptop does not > boot from it. If your BIOS really doesn't see the USB stick, there is probably no chance to boot from it. However some points come to mind which you may want to check: - If the USB stick is connected via a USB hub, try if it works with the stick connected directly to the machine. - You could try it with the USB stick in another USB port. - Maybe your BIOS actually does see it, but you have to change the boot order to put the USB stick before the other boot devices. - I would try to boot from the stick on another machine to verify that it works there. Nils From basroufs at gmail.com Mon May 7 16:36:01 2018 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 18:36:01 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 18.04 ISO live USB: BIOS does not "see" it, laptop does not boot it. In-Reply-To: <10526559.y7N7Tab7VY@p5915> References: <10526559.y7N7Tab7VY@p5915> Message-ID: - If the USB stick is connected via a USB hub, try if it works with the stick connected directly to the machine. *Have tried this - via 3 ports.* - You could try it with the USB stick in another USB port. *Have done so.* - Maybe your BIOS actually does see it, but you have to change the boot order to put the USB stick before the other boot devices. *No. The bios really does not mention the stick. * - I would try to boot from the stick on another machine to verify that it works there. *Have done so. Fruitlessly.* If your BIOS really doesn't see the USB stick, there is probably no chance to boot from it. *I am afraid, this is the right conclusion. What else can I do to make the stick bootable?* *Yours.* *Bas.* 2018-05-07 18:10 GMT+02:00 Nils Kassube : > Bas Roufs wrote: > > All those tests seemingly work well, till I try to boot the laptop > > from the USB stick, The BIOS does not "see" it - the laptop does not > > boot from it. > > If your BIOS really doesn't see the USB stick, there is probably no > chance to boot from it. However some points come to mind which you may > want to check: > > - If the USB stick is connected via a USB hub, try if it works with the > stick connected directly to the machine. > > - You could try it with the USB stick in another USB port. > > - Maybe your BIOS actually does see it, but you have to change the boot > order to put the USB stick before the other boot devices. > > - I would try to boot from the stick on another machine to verify that > it works there. > > > Nils > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net Mon May 7 16:41:02 2018 From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 12:41:02 -0400 Subject: Kate Default Page Size to A4 Message-ID: <8c88efed-3caf-e324-4599-208a44c1b8c5@ameritech.net> Kate is defaulting the Print Page Size to A4 even though I have my printer setup to Letter. How do I change this for Kate? Brian From buzzmandt at gmail.com Mon May 7 17:12:00 2018 From: buzzmandt at gmail.com (Dale Trombley) Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 17:12:00 +0000 Subject: Kate Default Page Size to A4 In-Reply-To: <8c88efed-3caf-e324-4599-208a44c1b8c5@ameritech.net> References: <8c88efed-3caf-e324-4599-208a44c1b8c5@ameritech.net> Message-ID: Occular is doing this as well for me. Haven't figured it out yet. On Mon, May 7, 2018, 12:42 PM Brian Brodsky wrote: > Kate is defaulting the Print Page Size to A4 even though I have my > printer setup to Letter. How do I change this for Kate? > > Brian > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clay at claydoh.com Mon May 7 17:30:23 2018 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 13:30:23 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 18.04 ISO live USB: BIOS does not 'see' it, laptop does not boot it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54f6cdef748f2fec95f63455f452cf92.squirrel@claydoh.com> On Mon, May 7, 2018 11:43 am, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello everybody. > > > At present, I am working at a correctly functioning Lenovo X220 running > at Kubuntu 18.04 LTS amd 64. The laptop has now one SSD of 128 GB at which > the system is running. There is also a HD of 320 GB. Soon, I will replace > that HD and buy this SSD: > KingSpec P3-1TB 2.5 inch SATA SSD > > > When I will acquire this one, I'll need a bootable usb stick with Kubuntu > 18.04. Have tried several times to create it at a "Sandisk Ultra USB > 3.0" > with a view to running from there a "live" system, in order to test it. > Have been using mkusb-dus OR startup-disk-creator to put the ISO at the > stick. Have been using mkbus-dus to reconvert the stick to a fat32-mass > storage device. > > All those tests seemingly work well, till I try to boot the laptop from > the USB stick, The BIOS does not "see" it - the laptop does not boot from > it. By trying all this, I try to follow these guidelines: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Booting_the_Co > mputer_from_USB > > Can anybody guide me towards some solution? > > > Yours. > > > Bas G. Roufs. > > > > -- > > > Bas G. Roufs > > When powering on, hit the f12 key to bring up the boot menu, and see if it shows up there. Try different USB ports, and a different USB stick if you have one available. I am finding many search results for "lenovo x220 boot from usb" which seem to indicate it is a somewhat common problem. You do have to make sure that you have the USB bios support enabled in your bios, or a similar option, but seeing as you already have Kubuntu on your current drive, I will guess that you booted from a USB stick for that install? Also, I mentioned trying another stick, as a few of the reports mention Sandisk sticks specifically, so they may be problematic. Some of them come with hidden partitions for backup utilities, etc, and this may prevent them from being bootable Linux discs. From clay at claydoh.com Mon May 7 17:39:31 2018 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 13:39:31 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 18.04 ISO live USB: BIOS does not 'see' it, laptop does not boot it. In-Reply-To: References: <10526559.y7N7Tab7VY@p5915> Message-ID: On Mon, May 7, 2018 12:36 pm, Bas Roufs wrote: > - If the USB stick is connected via a USB hub, try if it works with the > stick connected directly to the machine. > > *Have tried this - via 3 ports.* > > > - You could try it with the USB stick in another USB port. > > > *Have done so.* > > > - Maybe your BIOS actually does see it, but you have to change the boot > order to put the USB stick before the other boot devices. > > *No. The bios really does not mention the stick. * > > > - I would try to boot from the stick on another machine to verify that > it works there. > > *Have done so. Fruitlessly.* > > > If your BIOS really doesn't see the USB stick, there is probably no > chance to boot from it. > > > *I am afraid, this is the right conclusion. What else can I do to make > the stick bootable?* > > *Yours.* > > > *Bas.* > > > > 2018-05-07 18:10 GMT+02:00 Nils Kassube : > > >> Bas Roufs wrote: >> >>> All those tests seemingly work well, till I try to boot the laptop >>> from the USB stick, The BIOS does not "see" it - the laptop does not >>> boot from it. >> >> If your BIOS really doesn't see the USB stick, there is probably no >> chance to boot from it. However some points come to mind which you may >> want to check: >> >> - If the USB stick is connected via a USB hub, try if it works with the >> stick connected directly to the machine. >> >> - You could try it with the USB stick in another USB port. >> >> >> - Maybe your BIOS actually does see it, but you have to change the boot >> order to put the USB stick before the other boot devices. >> >> - I would try to boot from the stick on another machine to verify that >> it works there. >> >> >> Nils >> >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings >> or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ >> mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > > > Bas G. Roufs > If it is not working in other machines, perhaps it could be mkusb being the culprit? It has (in my opinion) too many options and settings to use that maybe it is not set correctly? I personally like and use Mkusb, but there are other, easy to use tools that have *never* failed me. One I recommend is Etcher: https://etcher.io/ you download, then extract the zip file,and double click the file to install/run it. Select the image, select the drive, and go. From kassube at gmx.net Mon May 7 19:04:13 2018 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 21:04:13 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 18.04 ISO live USB: BIOS does not "see" it, laptop does not boot it. In-Reply-To: References: <10526559.y7N7Tab7VY@p5915> Message-ID: <2481243.gmpdV7M22o@p5915> Bas Roufs wrote: > - I would try to boot from the stick on another machine to verify that > it works there. > > *Have done so. Fruitlessly.* Well, if it doesn't work on another machine, this is probably the reason why. If the stick isn't really bootable, the BIOS will ignore it. As I understand the description of the Ubuntu help page you mentioned in your initial mail, it would create a bootable USB drive with the contents of the ISO file, i.e. it replaces the DVD drive. (Sorry if this is wrong - right now I really don't have the time to read and understand everything on that page.) I have done something different to carry several ISO files on a USB stick and I can select which one to use at boot time. Some time ago I have written about it on the Ubuntu users list: If that description wasn't good enough, please let me know what was missing. Nils From contact at charlieluna.com Thu May 10 15:19:27 2018 From: contact at charlieluna.com (charlie) Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 08:19:27 -0700 Subject: feature Message-ID: hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way for it to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the standard ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say you've got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show there's an open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it displays more dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in kubuntu? i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash above or below the icon that's active without having more icons being displayed for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. charlie From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu May 10 17:09:02 2018 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bmarsh) Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 13:09:02 -0400 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <831956851@bmarsh.com> I guess I don’t see the need. I use alt-tab to move between apps and you can easily see what is active. From: charlie Subject: feature Date: 5/10/18 11:23 AM To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way for it to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the standard ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say you've got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show there's an open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it displays more dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in kubuntu? i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash above or below the icon that's active without having more icons being displayed for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. charlie -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On May 10, 2018, 11:20 AM, at 11:20 AM, charlie wrote: >hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way for it > >to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the standard >ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say you've > >got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show there's an >open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it displays more > >dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in kubuntu? >i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature >added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash above or > >below the icon that's active without having more icons being displayed >for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. > >charlie > > >-- >kubuntu-users mailing list >kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From contact at charlieluna.com Thu May 10 20:32:36 2018 From: contact at charlieluna.com (charlie) Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 13:32:36 -0700 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> References: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> thank you clay! how do i go about getting this latte dock and krunner? On 05/10/2018 01:31 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > Latte dock does this. You remove the stock panel, then use krunner to > run latte. Make sure you go into the settings and set it to autostart. > It is highly configuable, but in its default setup it does exactly > what you looking for. > > On May 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, charlie > wrote: > > hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way for it > to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the standard > ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say you've > got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show there's an > open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it displays more > dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in kubuntu? > i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature > added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash above or > below the icon that's active without having more icons being displayed > for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. > > charlie > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From contact at charlieluna.com Thu May 10 20:33:23 2018 From: contact at charlieluna.com (charlie) Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 13:33:23 -0700 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> References: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> Message-ID: i'm doing a search for it right now, clay. but i'll take your advice anyway. On 05/10/2018 01:32 PM, charlie wrote: > > thank you clay! how do i go about getting this latte dock and krunner? > > > On 05/10/2018 01:31 PM, Clay Weber wrote: >> Latte dock does this. You remove the stock panel, then use krunner to >> run latte. Make sure you go into the settings and set it to >> autostart. It is highly configuable, but in its default setup it does >> exactly what you looking for. >> >> On May 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, charlie > > wrote: >> >> hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way for it >> to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the standard >> ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say you've >> got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show there's an >> open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it displays more >> dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in kubuntu? >> i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature >> added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash above or >> below the icon that's active without having more icons being displayed >> for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. >> >> charlie >> >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Thu May 10 22:01:08 2018 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 15:01:08 -0700 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> References: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> Message-ID: Hi Charlie, everyone already has krunner. Depending on your version of Kubuntu, alt+space opens it at the top of your screen. From there you can open applications, close them, do calculations and conversions, find files and all kinds of handy things. Alt+f2 works as well. You can search for Latte Dock in Discover, Muon, or apt, depending one how you like to install and uninstall applications. sudo apt install latte-dock is the simplest. Hope this helps, Valorie On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM, charlie wrote: > thank you clay! how do i go about getting this latte dock and krunner? > > > On 05/10/2018 01:31 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > > Latte dock does this. You remove the stock panel, then use krunner to run > latte. Make sure you go into the settings and set it to autostart. It is > highly configuable, but in its default setup it does exactly what you > looking for. > > On May 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, charlie wrote: >> >> hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way for it >> to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the standard >> ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say you've >> got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show there's an >> open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it displays more >> dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in kubuntu? >> i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature >> added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash above or >> below the icon that's active without having more icons being displayed >> for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. >> >> charlie >> > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- http://about.me/valoriez From contact at charlieluna.com Fri May 11 00:13:53 2018 From: contact at charlieluna.com (charlie) Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 17:13:53 -0700 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: References: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> Message-ID: <40e540bb-5cbb-ea80-f6df-127c7cfe2119@charlieluna.com> thank you, valorie. now i just need to figure out how to switch to the latte dock. charlie On 05/10/2018 03:01 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hi Charlie, everyone already has krunner. Depending on your version of > Kubuntu, alt+space opens it at the top of your screen. From there you > can open applications, close them, do calculations and conversions, > find files and all kinds of handy things. Alt+f2 works as well. You > can search for Latte Dock in Discover, Muon, or apt, depending one how > you like to install and uninstall applications. > > sudo apt install latte-dock > > is the simplest. > > Hope this helps, > > Valorie > > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM, charlie wrote: >> thank you clay! how do i go about getting this latte dock and krunner? >> >> >> On 05/10/2018 01:31 PM, Clay Weber wrote: >> >> Latte dock does this. You remove the stock panel, then use krunner to run >> latte. Make sure you go into the settings and set it to autostart. It is >> highly configuable, but in its default setup it does exactly what you >> looking for. >> >> On May 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, charlie wrote: >>> hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way for it >>> to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the standard >>> ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say you've >>> got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show there's an >>> open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it displays more >>> dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in kubuntu? >>> i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature >>> added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash above or >>> below the icon that's active without having more icons being displayed >>> for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. >>> >>> charlie >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > From contact at charlieluna.com Fri May 11 17:34:50 2018 From: contact at charlieluna.com (charlie) Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 10:34:50 -0700 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: <40e540bb-5cbb-ea80-f6df-127c7cfe2119@charlieluna.com> References: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> <40e540bb-5cbb-ea80-f6df-127c7cfe2119@charlieluna.com> Message-ID: <999a58b7-81ee-1e31-7b2a-8e1d1e11d917@charlieluna.com> ok, i've got the latte dock installed and now i need to ask how i put it into use as my permanent dock/panel. On 05/10/2018 05:13 PM, charlie wrote: > thank you, valorie. now i just need to figure out how to switch to the > latte dock. > > charlie > > > On 05/10/2018 03:01 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >> Hi Charlie, everyone already has krunner. Depending on your version of >> Kubuntu, alt+space opens it at the top of your screen. From there you >> can open applications, close them, do calculations and conversions, >> find files and all kinds of handy things. Alt+f2 works as well. You >> can search for Latte Dock in Discover, Muon, or apt, depending one how >> you like to install and uninstall applications. >> >> sudo apt install latte-dock >> >> is the simplest. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Valorie >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM, charlie >> wrote: >>> thank you clay! how do i go about getting this latte dock and krunner? >>> >>> >>> On 05/10/2018 01:31 PM, Clay Weber wrote: >>> >>> Latte dock does this. You remove the stock panel, then use krunner >>> to run >>> latte. Make sure you go into the settings and set it to autostart. >>> It is >>> highly configuable, but in its default setup it does exactly what you >>> looking for. >>> >>> On May 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, charlie wrote: >>>> hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way >>>> for it >>>> to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the standard >>>> ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say >>>> you've >>>> got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show there's an >>>> open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it displays >>>> more >>>> dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in kubuntu? >>>> i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature >>>> added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash >>>> above or >>>> below the icon that's active without having more icons being displayed >>>> for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. >>>> >>>> charlie >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >> >> > > From contact at charlieluna.com Fri May 11 18:11:08 2018 From: contact at charlieluna.com (charlie) Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 11:11:08 -0700 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: <999a58b7-81ee-1e31-7b2a-8e1d1e11d917@charlieluna.com> References: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> <40e540bb-5cbb-ea80-f6df-127c7cfe2119@charlieluna.com> <999a58b7-81ee-1e31-7b2a-8e1d1e11d917@charlieluna.com> Message-ID: i've got the latte dock running now so i just need to figure out how to add icons to it. On 05/11/2018 10:34 AM, charlie wrote: > ok, i've got the latte dock installed and now i need to ask how i put > it into use as my permanent dock/panel. > > > On 05/10/2018 05:13 PM, charlie wrote: >> thank you, valorie. now i just need to figure out how to switch to >> the latte dock. >> >> charlie >> >> >> On 05/10/2018 03:01 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>> Hi Charlie, everyone already has krunner. Depending on your version of >>> Kubuntu, alt+space opens it at the top of your screen. From there you >>> can open applications, close them, do calculations and conversions, >>> find files and all kinds of handy things. Alt+f2 works as well. You >>> can search for Latte Dock in Discover, Muon, or apt, depending one how >>> you like to install and uninstall applications. >>> >>> sudo apt install latte-dock >>> >>> is the simplest. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Valorie >>> >>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM, charlie >>> wrote: >>>> thank you clay! how do i go about getting this latte dock and krunner? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05/10/2018 01:31 PM, Clay Weber wrote: >>>> >>>> Latte dock does this. You remove the stock panel, then use krunner >>>> to run >>>> latte. Make sure you go into the settings and set it to autostart. >>>> It is >>>> highly configuable, but in its default setup it does exactly what you >>>> looking for. >>>> >>>> On May 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, charlie wrote: >>>>> hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way >>>>> for it >>>>> to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the >>>>> standard >>>>> ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say >>>>> you've >>>>> got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show there's an >>>>> open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it displays >>>>> more >>>>> dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in kubuntu? >>>>> i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature >>>>> added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash >>>>> above or >>>>> below the icon that's active without having more icons being >>>>> displayed >>>>> for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. >>>>> >>>>> charlie >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From contact at charlieluna.com Fri May 11 18:25:25 2018 From: contact at charlieluna.com (charlie) Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 11:25:25 -0700 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: References: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> <40e540bb-5cbb-ea80-f6df-127c7cfe2119@charlieluna.com> <999a58b7-81ee-1e31-7b2a-8e1d1e11d917@charlieluna.com> Message-ID: ok, one more time. i've learned how to add icons to the dock so now i just need to learn how to move icons around into the order i'd like them to be in. if anyone knows how to rearrange the icons, let me know. otherwise i'll play with it and use it as is. but this latte dock's exactly what i'm looking for. On 05/11/2018 11:11 AM, charlie wrote: > i've got the latte dock running now so i just need to figure out how > to add icons to it. > > > On 05/11/2018 10:34 AM, charlie wrote: >> ok, i've got the latte dock installed and now i need to ask how i put >> it into use as my permanent dock/panel. >> >> >> On 05/10/2018 05:13 PM, charlie wrote: >>> thank you, valorie. now i just need to figure out how to switch to >>> the latte dock. >>> >>> charlie >>> >>> >>> On 05/10/2018 03:01 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>> Hi Charlie, everyone already has krunner. Depending on your version of >>>> Kubuntu, alt+space opens it at the top of your screen. From there you >>>> can open applications, close them, do calculations and conversions, >>>> find files and all kinds of handy things. Alt+f2 works as well. You >>>> can search for Latte Dock in Discover, Muon, or apt, depending one how >>>> you like to install and uninstall applications. >>>> >>>> sudo apt install latte-dock >>>> >>>> is the simplest. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> >>>> Valorie >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM, charlie >>>> wrote: >>>>> thank you clay! how do i go about getting this latte dock and >>>>> krunner? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 05/10/2018 01:31 PM, Clay Weber wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Latte dock does this. You remove the stock panel, then use krunner >>>>> to run >>>>> latte. Make sure you go into the settings and set it to autostart. >>>>> It is >>>>> highly configuable, but in its default setup it does exactly what you >>>>> looking for. >>>>> >>>>> On May 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, charlie >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way >>>>>> for it >>>>>> to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the >>>>>> standard >>>>>> ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say >>>>>> you've >>>>>> got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show >>>>>> there's an >>>>>> open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it >>>>>> displays more >>>>>> dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in >>>>>> kubuntu? >>>>>> i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature >>>>>> added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash >>>>>> above or >>>>>> below the icon that's active without having more icons being >>>>>> displayed >>>>>> for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> charlie >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From rpc at bewitching.me Fri May 11 18:30:30 2018 From: rpc at bewitching.me (Robert Charbonneau) Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 14:30:30 -0400 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: References: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> <40e540bb-5cbb-ea80-f6df-127c7cfe2119@charlieluna.com> <999a58b7-81ee-1e31-7b2a-8e1d1e11d917@charlieluna.com> Message-ID: <6601a081-08ff-3ef0-0805-a158a53349b6@gmail.com> You should just be able to drag them around and drop them to reorder them On 2018-05-11 02:25 PM, charlie wrote: > ok, one more time. i've learned how to add icons to the dock so now i > just need to learn how to move icons around into the order i'd like > them to be in. if anyone knows how to rearrange the icons, let me > know. otherwise i'll play with it and use it as is. but this latte > dock's exactly what i'm looking for. > > > On 05/11/2018 11:11 AM, charlie wrote: >> i've got the latte dock running now so i just need to figure out how >> to add icons to it. >> >> >> On 05/11/2018 10:34 AM, charlie wrote: >>> ok, i've got the latte dock installed and now i need to ask how i >>> put it into use as my permanent dock/panel. >>> >>> >>> On 05/10/2018 05:13 PM, charlie wrote: >>>> thank you, valorie. now i just need to figure out how to switch to >>>> the latte dock. >>>> >>>> charlie >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05/10/2018 03:01 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>>> Hi Charlie, everyone already has krunner. Depending on your >>>>> version of >>>>> Kubuntu, alt+space opens it at the top of your screen. From there you >>>>> can open applications, close them, do calculations and conversions, >>>>> find files and all kinds of handy things. Alt+f2 works as well. You >>>>> can search for Latte Dock in Discover, Muon, or apt, depending one >>>>> how >>>>> you like to install and uninstall applications. >>>>> >>>>> sudo apt install latte-dock >>>>> >>>>> is the simplest. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> >>>>> Valorie >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM, charlie >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> thank you clay! how do i go about getting this latte dock and >>>>>> krunner? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 05/10/2018 01:31 PM, Clay Weber wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Latte dock does this. You remove the stock panel, then use >>>>>> krunner to run >>>>>> latte. Make sure you go into the settings and set it to >>>>>> autostart. It is >>>>>> highly configuable, but in its default setup it does exactly what >>>>>> you >>>>>> looking for. >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, charlie >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a way >>>>>>> for it >>>>>>> to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the >>>>>>> standard >>>>>>> ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, say >>>>>>> you've >>>>>>> got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show >>>>>>> there's an >>>>>>> open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it >>>>>>> displays more >>>>>>> dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in >>>>>>> kubuntu? >>>>>>> i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a feature >>>>>>> added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash >>>>>>> above or >>>>>>> below the icon that's active without having more icons being >>>>>>> displayed >>>>>>> for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> charlie >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From contact at charlieluna.com Fri May 11 18:43:26 2018 From: contact at charlieluna.com (charlie) Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 11:43:26 -0700 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: <6601a081-08ff-3ef0-0805-a158a53349b6@gmail.com> References: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> <40e540bb-5cbb-ea80-f6df-127c7cfe2119@charlieluna.com> <999a58b7-81ee-1e31-7b2a-8e1d1e11d917@charlieluna.com> <6601a081-08ff-3ef0-0805-a158a53349b6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <17f93d68-89cf-5427-3fb3-7f2e13992a42@charlieluna.com> yeah, i just figured it out. i had to turn off a setting in latte settings in order to do it. now it's exactly the way i want it. yippee!! charlie On 05/11/2018 11:30 AM, Robert Charbonneau wrote: > > You should just be able to drag them around and drop them to reorder them > > > On 2018-05-11 02:25 PM, charlie wrote: >> ok, one more time. i've learned how to add icons to the dock so now i >> just need to learn how to move icons around into the order i'd like >> them to be in. if anyone knows how to rearrange the icons, let me >> know. otherwise i'll play with it and use it as is. but this latte >> dock's exactly what i'm looking for. >> >> >> On 05/11/2018 11:11 AM, charlie wrote: >>> i've got the latte dock running now so i just need to figure out how >>> to add icons to it. >>> >>> >>> On 05/11/2018 10:34 AM, charlie wrote: >>>> ok, i've got the latte dock installed and now i need to ask how i >>>> put it into use as my permanent dock/panel. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05/10/2018 05:13 PM, charlie wrote: >>>>> thank you, valorie. now i just need to figure out how to switch to >>>>> the latte dock. >>>>> >>>>> charlie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 05/10/2018 03:01 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>>>> Hi Charlie, everyone already has krunner. Depending on your >>>>>> version of >>>>>> Kubuntu, alt+space opens it at the top of your screen. From there >>>>>> you >>>>>> can open applications, close them, do calculations and conversions, >>>>>> find files and all kinds of handy things. Alt+f2 works as well. You >>>>>> can search for Latte Dock in Discover, Muon, or apt, depending >>>>>> one how >>>>>> you like to install and uninstall applications. >>>>>> >>>>>> sudo apt install latte-dock >>>>>> >>>>>> is the simplest. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>> >>>>>> Valorie >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM, charlie >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> thank you clay! how do i go about getting this latte dock and >>>>>>> krunner? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 05/10/2018 01:31 PM, Clay Weber wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Latte dock does this. You remove the stock panel, then use >>>>>>> krunner to run >>>>>>> latte. Make sure you go into the settings and set it to >>>>>>> autostart. It is >>>>>>> highly configuable, but in its default setup it does exactly >>>>>>> what you >>>>>>> looking for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, charlie >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> hey guys, i wanted to put this out there to see if there's a >>>>>>>> way for it >>>>>>>> to be done. you know how in ubuntu gnome (of which is now the >>>>>>>> standard >>>>>>>> ubuntu desktop), you've got dots/dashes over an active icon, >>>>>>>> say you've >>>>>>>> got firefox open and above it's icon there's a dot to show >>>>>>>> there's an >>>>>>>> open window for it. and any subsequent windows for it, it >>>>>>>> displays more >>>>>>>> dots above that icon. is there a way to have that feature in >>>>>>>> kubuntu? >>>>>>>> i'm using the icons only task manager and i'd like to see a >>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>> added to kubuntu where you can have just a dot or line or dash >>>>>>>> above or >>>>>>>> below the icon that's active without having more icons being >>>>>>>> displayed >>>>>>>> for any active windows. gosh i hope that makes sense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> charlie >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clay at claydoh.com Fri May 11 18:52:26 2018 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 14:52:26 -0400 Subject: feature In-Reply-To: References: <4a406d69-3904-4108-b68d-05a0a0ca66ed@claydoh.com> <9f2824de-bf2a-08bc-7295-7f96573774dc@charlieluna.com> <40e540bb-5cbb-ea80-f6df-127c7cfe2119@charlieluna.com> <999a58b7-81ee-1e31-7b2a-8e1d1e11d917@charlieluna.com> Message-ID: <38cb87e46510709245d212101b3b42a0.squirrel@claydoh.com> On Fri, May 11, 2018 2:25 pm, charlie wrote: > ok, one more time. i've learned how to add icons to the dock so now i just > need to learn how to move icons around into the order i'd like them to be > in. if anyone knows how to rearrange the icons, let me know. otherwise > i'll play with it and use it as is. but this latte dock's exactly what i'm > looking for. > > > On 05/11/2018 11:11 AM, charlie wrote: You click and hold, then drag the application icons around within the application area. To move widgets (the clock, or the entire app area itself, for example), right click somewhere on latte, then select Settings. You will see a grid area for positioning and sizing, as well as all the other configuration options. From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Wed May 16 23:17:13 2018 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 16:17:13 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Proposal: Let's drop i386 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello folks, I'm forwarding the following email to Ubuntu-devel ML to explain the thinking on the part of the Ubuntu developers as to why they are discontinuing the i386 images. For us, this would mean that the 18.04 LTS is the last i386 ISO that we will be publishing. I'm reluctant to do this, however, I do not have the time or technical knowledge required to do this on my own, and the Kubuntu Devels want Kubuntu to stop issuing i386 images. Therefore, we are going to do that. For those of you who still want and need i386, you will have 3 years of support from us on the LTS. This means that when we're ready for the point releases (18,04.1, 2 etc.) I will still be asking for testers and expect you i386 people to step up and do that. For now the i386 *packages* in the archive are not going away. However, I think the clock is ticking for them as well. On the other hand, this will mean more attention from devels on the newer ARM stuff which will be useful for those with Raspi or little ARM laptop/netbooks. Discussion is welcome, but I'm afraid that the decision has been taken, and we'll be moving ahead to 18.10 without i386. Valorie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bryan Quigley Date: Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:07 PM Subject: Proposal: Let's drop i386 To: Ubuntu Developers , Ubuntu Core developers Cc: Dimitri John Ledkov Hello, Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling centers. The last of these machines were manufactured over a decade ago, and support from an increasing number of upstream projects has ended. Ubuntu and flavors just completed the 18.04 release cycle. This released version will either be supported until 2021 or 2023, depending on the product, team, and willingness to support it. At that point in time, the majority of these machines are approaching two decades old. >>Previous 2016 thread: And in 2018, the question will come if we can effectively provide security support on i386. We can't. Machines running i386 Ubuntu which are capable of running amd64 Ubuntu are vulnerable to the critical Meltdown vulnerability where they wouldn't be if they were running amd64. (Some actual i386 hardware simply isn't vulnerable, but some is). We still have a relatively high number if i386 downloads but that doesn't mean users machines are not capable of amd64. For the flavors remaining today on i386 here are some i386 to amd64 ratios for 18.04: Lubuntu cdimage - 0.87 Lubuntu tracker - 0.64 Lubuntu error (pcmanfm) - 0.11 Xubuntu cdimage - 0.49 Xubuntu tracker - 0.30 Xubuntu error (thunar) - 0.10 Kylin tracker - 0.30 Kylin error (engrampa) - 0.10 Kubuntu cdimage - 0.14 Kubuntu tracker - 0.12 Kubuntu error (kinit) - 0.07 The data retrieved from cdimage is for a limited time period on May 7th. All cdimage statistics included many hundreds to thousands of downloads (except Ubuntu Kylin due to it using it's own CDN, so not being included here). The torrent tracker results are available here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/. The error tracker statistics come from comparing top bugs shared between i386 and amd64 over last week. Bugs that affect multiple flavors are not included. It's not fully understood why there is a large discrepancy between the error tracker and other sources - but it's possible apport doesn't work as well in low memory. With Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Budgie, and Ubuntu Studio joining Ubuntu Desktop and Server in not offering i386 support in order to focus their efforts, and these statistics in mind, we (flavors) should all join them. Now is the ideal time to do so, because it's before the Cosmic cycle is really under way, and if support were continued for i386, we don't want users to meet a dead end with respect to upgrade paths, and would support it until 20.04 (which means either five or seven more years of i386). Users still have the support cycle of 18.04 to use their machines and get full support, so these machines will still be able to function. But with no new machines being manufactured, we have to deprecate support at some point. The first step would be to all agree on dropping images/installers but we should keep the end goal of dropping the port in mind ideally soon as well. On the list of known blockers for removing the i386 port are Steam and Wine. Solus' snapped Steam is progressing nicely and Steam deb is difficult to maintain as is [See removal bug]. That leaves coming up with a good way forward for Wine. Thanks! Simon Quigley Bryan Quigley [2016 email thread] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-June/039420.html (was Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386) [removal bug] https://pad.lv/1759715 -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- http://about.me/valoriez From rayburke30 at gmail.com Thu May 17 06:25:08 2018 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 16:25:08 +1000 Subject: forecastfox fix version changing form mm/dd/yyy(American) to dd/mm/yy(Australian) Message-ID: Hi can anyone help, On my laptop with just Win 7/Firefox 56.0 32 bit it shows with forecastfox fix version when I hover over the 5 day forecast icon it shows the dates in American, but I am in Victoria,Australia, but don't know how to change back to dd/mm/yyyy, has any been faced with same, and how do I fix it? Ray From rayburke30 at gmail.com Thu May 17 06:34:16 2018 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 16:34:16 +1000 Subject: Fwd: forecastfox fix version changing form mm/dd/yyy(American) to dd/mm/yy(Australian) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi can anyone help, On my laptop with just Win 7/Firefox 56.0 32 bit it shows with forecastfox fix version when I hover over the 5 day forecast icon it shows the dates in American, but I am in Victoria,Australia, but don't know how to change back to dd/mm/yyyy, has any been faced with same, and how do I fix it? Ray From basroufs at gmail.com Fri May 18 12:02:50 2018 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs in English (gmail.com)) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 14:02:50 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Proposal: Let's drop i386 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5493527.uU6v7QLMGF@viaconsensus-camino> Hello Valorie and Everybody. > .... discontinuing the i386 images. ..... > .... Kubuntu to stop issuing i386 images. About two - three weeks ago, I have downloaded via K Torrent two ISO images from Kubuntu 18.04 LTS: amd64 and i386. The i386 computer, an Asus Eee PC I have been lending the first weeks after loosing my previous Lenovo X220, was a useful "hardware backup" - however, terribly slow. That's why, I am happy to have again another X220 - a 64 bits PC with 8 GB internal memory and an i5 processor. It works really well with Kubuntu 18.04 LTS - the speed is perfectly acceptable. >From this X220, K Torrent has been "seeding"/uploading both ISO's - the i386 one as well as the amd64 version. >From the i386 version, only 21,53 MiB has been seeded/ uploaded - a tiny bit more than 1% share ratio related to 1.77 GiB - the total size of the i386 ISO, which has been "seeding" during 16.5 hours. There are long hours in which that version is not' seeding"/uploading at all. >From the amd64 version, there is an ISO of 1.74 GiB. During about 50 hours (2 days) , 1.91 GiB has been uploaded - this delivers a share ratio of 110%. This amd64 version is constantly "seeding". Taking into account my experience as summarised here above, I can imagine the decision to discontinue the i386 ISO's. However, it could be good to clearly mention that decision at the Kubuntu.org website and elsewhere. Yours. Bas G. Roufs. -- ====== Bas G. Roufs, Utrecht, NL, EU. BasRoufs at gmail.com +31 6 446 835 10 Signature (Open PGP Key): 9379B029FEA91C141D8AB325DB8F897299B3020D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bas G. Roufs.vcf Type: text/vcard Size: 260 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bas G. Roufs.vcf Type: text/vcard Size: 260 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 659 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From contact at charlieluna.com Fri May 18 16:37:10 2018 From: contact at charlieluna.com (charlie) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:37:10 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Proposal: Let's drop i386 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i think it's a good thing to see i386 getting dropped because that kind of hardware's old and obsolete anyway. 64 bit computers are cheaper now and shouldn't be too much of a burden for anyone to acquire something. i scored a Dell Precision T1600 workstation for $35 about a month ago and it's a 64 bit quad core Xeon processor. just saying. On 05/16/2018 04:17 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hello folks, I'm forwarding the following email to Ubuntu-devel ML to > explain the thinking on the part of the Ubuntu developers as to why > they are discontinuing the i386 images. For us, this would mean that > the 18.04 LTS is the last i386 ISO that we will be publishing. I'm > reluctant to do this, however, I do not have the time or technical > knowledge required to do this on my own, and the Kubuntu Devels want > Kubuntu to stop issuing i386 images. > > Therefore, we are going to do that. For those of you who still want > and need i386, you will have 3 years of support from us on the LTS. > This means that when we're ready for the point releases (18,04.1, 2 > etc.) I will still be asking for testers and expect you i386 people to > step up and do that. > > For now the i386 *packages* in the archive are not going away. > However, I think the clock is ticking for them as well. On the other > hand, this will mean more attention from devels on the newer ARM stuff > which will be useful for those with Raspi or little ARM > laptop/netbooks. > > Discussion is welcome, but I'm afraid that the decision has been > taken, and we'll be moving ahead to 18.10 without i386. > > Valorie > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Bryan Quigley > Date: Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:07 PM > Subject: Proposal: Let's drop i386 > To: Ubuntu Developers , Ubuntu Core > developers > Cc: Dimitri John Ledkov > > Hello, > > Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for > consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling > centers. The last of these machines were manufactured over a decade > ago, and support from an increasing number of upstream projects has > ended. > > Ubuntu and flavors just completed the 18.04 release cycle. This > released version will either be supported until 2021 or 2023, > depending on the product, team, and willingness to support it. At that > point in time, the majority of these machines are approaching two > decades old. > >>> Previous 2016 thread: And in 2018, the question will come if we can effectively provide security support on i386. > We can't. Machines running i386 Ubuntu which are capable of running > amd64 Ubuntu are vulnerable to the critical Meltdown vulnerability > where they wouldn't be if they were running amd64. (Some actual i386 > hardware simply isn't vulnerable, but some is). > > We still have a relatively high number if i386 downloads but that > doesn't mean users machines are not capable of amd64. For the flavors > remaining today on i386 here are some i386 to amd64 ratios for 18.04: > > Lubuntu cdimage - 0.87 > Lubuntu tracker - 0.64 > Lubuntu error (pcmanfm) - 0.11 > Xubuntu cdimage - 0.49 > Xubuntu tracker - 0.30 > Xubuntu error (thunar) - 0.10 > Kylin tracker - 0.30 > Kylin error (engrampa) - 0.10 > Kubuntu cdimage - 0.14 > Kubuntu tracker - 0.12 > Kubuntu error (kinit) - 0.07 > > The data retrieved from cdimage is for a limited time period on May > 7th. All cdimage statistics included many hundreds to thousands of > downloads (except Ubuntu Kylin due to it using it's own CDN, so not > being included here). The torrent tracker results are available here: > http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/. > The error tracker statistics come from comparing top bugs shared > between i386 and amd64 over last week. Bugs that affect multiple > flavors are not included. > It's not fully understood why there is a large discrepancy between the > error tracker and other sources - but it's possible apport doesn't > work as well in low memory. > > With Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Budgie, and Ubuntu Studio joining Ubuntu > Desktop and Server in not offering i386 support in order to focus > their efforts, and these statistics in mind, we (flavors) should all > join them. Now is the ideal time to do so, because it's before the > Cosmic cycle is really under way, and if support were continued for > i386, we don't want users to meet a dead end with respect to upgrade > paths, and would support it until 20.04 (which means either five or > seven more years of i386). Users still have the support cycle of 18.04 > to use their machines and get full support, so these machines will > still be able to function. But with no new machines being > manufactured, we have to deprecate support at some point. > > The first step would be to all agree on dropping images/installers but > we should keep the end goal of dropping the port in mind ideally soon > as well. > > On the list of known blockers for removing the i386 port are Steam and > Wine. Solus' snapped Steam is progressing nicely and Steam deb is > difficult to maintain as is [See removal bug]. That leaves coming up > with a good way forward for Wine. > > Thanks! > Simon Quigley > Bryan Quigley > > [2016 email thread] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-June/039420.html > (was Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: > Ubuntu Desktop on i386) > [removal bug] https://pad.lv/1759715 > > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel > From accessys at smart.net Fri May 18 16:52:30 2018 From: accessys at smart.net (accessys at smart.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 12:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Proposal: Let's drop i386 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: unfortunately I don't have a spare 386 computer to test with but a lot of people with disabilities are using linux and I push Kubuntu because of financial issues many are using second or even third hand computer equipment which often is still 32bit. so is catch 22 the people testing don't have the older equip to test but a lot of the older equip is being used by people who can't afford anything newer. Bob On Fri, 18 May 2018, charlie wrote: > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:37:10 -0700 > From: charlie > Reply-To: Kubuntu user technical support > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal: Let's drop i386 > > i think it's a good thing to see i386 getting dropped because that kind of > hardware's old and obsolete anyway. 64 bit computers are cheaper now and > shouldn't be too much of a burden for anyone to acquire something. i scored a > Dell Precision T1600 workstation for $35 about a month ago and it's a 64 bit > quad core Xeon processor. just saying. > > > On 05/16/2018 04:17 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >> Hello folks, I'm forwarding the following email to Ubuntu-devel ML to >> explain the thinking on the part of the Ubuntu developers as to why >> they are discontinuing the i386 images. For us, this would mean that >> the 18.04 LTS is the last i386 ISO that we will be publishing. I'm >> reluctant to do this, however, I do not have the time or technical >> knowledge required to do this on my own, and the Kubuntu Devels want >> Kubuntu to stop issuing i386 images. >> >> Therefore, we are going to do that. For those of you who still want >> and need i386, you will have 3 years of support from us on the LTS. >> This means that when we're ready for the point releases (18,04.1, 2 >> etc.) I will still be asking for testers and expect you i386 people to >> step up and do that. >> >> For now the i386 *packages* in the archive are not going away. >> However, I think the clock is ticking for them as well. On the other >> hand, this will mean more attention from devels on the newer ARM stuff >> which will be useful for those with Raspi or little ARM >> laptop/netbooks. >> >> Discussion is welcome, but I'm afraid that the decision has been >> taken, and we'll be moving ahead to 18.10 without i386. >> >> Valorie >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Bryan Quigley >> Date: Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:07 PM >> Subject: Proposal: Let's drop i386 >> To: Ubuntu Developers , Ubuntu Core >> developers >> Cc: Dimitri John Ledkov >> >> Hello, >> >> Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for >> consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling >> centers. The last of these machines were manufactured over a decade >> ago, and support from an increasing number of upstream projects has >> ended. >> >> Ubuntu and flavors just completed the 18.04 release cycle. This >> released version will either be supported until 2021 or 2023, >> depending on the product, team, and willingness to support it. At that >> point in time, the majority of these machines are approaching two >> decades old. >> >>>> Previous 2016 thread: And in 2018, the question will come if we can >>>> effectively provide security support on i386. >> We can't. Machines running i386 Ubuntu which are capable of running >> amd64 Ubuntu are vulnerable to the critical Meltdown vulnerability >> where they wouldn't be if they were running amd64. (Some actual i386 >> hardware simply isn't vulnerable, but some is). >> >> We still have a relatively high number if i386 downloads but that >> doesn't mean users machines are not capable of amd64. For the flavors >> remaining today on i386 here are some i386 to amd64 ratios for 18.04: >> >> Lubuntu cdimage - 0.87 >> Lubuntu tracker - 0.64 >> Lubuntu error (pcmanfm) - 0.11 >> Xubuntu cdimage - 0.49 >> Xubuntu tracker - 0.30 >> Xubuntu error (thunar) - 0.10 >> Kylin tracker - 0.30 >> Kylin error (engrampa) - 0.10 >> Kubuntu cdimage - 0.14 >> Kubuntu tracker - 0.12 >> Kubuntu error (kinit) - 0.07 >> >> The data retrieved from cdimage is for a limited time period on May >> 7th. All cdimage statistics included many hundreds to thousands of >> downloads (except Ubuntu Kylin due to it using it's own CDN, so not >> being included here). The torrent tracker results are available here: >> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/. >> The error tracker statistics come from comparing top bugs shared >> between i386 and amd64 over last week. Bugs that affect multiple >> flavors are not included. >> It's not fully understood why there is a large discrepancy between the >> error tracker and other sources - but it's possible apport doesn't >> work as well in low memory. >> >> With Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Budgie, and Ubuntu Studio joining Ubuntu >> Desktop and Server in not offering i386 support in order to focus >> their efforts, and these statistics in mind, we (flavors) should all >> join them. Now is the ideal time to do so, because it's before the >> Cosmic cycle is really under way, and if support were continued for >> i386, we don't want users to meet a dead end with respect to upgrade >> paths, and would support it until 20.04 (which means either five or >> seven more years of i386). Users still have the support cycle of 18.04 >> to use their machines and get full support, so these machines will >> still be able to function. But with no new machines being >> manufactured, we have to deprecate support at some point. >> >> The first step would be to all agree on dropping images/installers but >> we should keep the end goal of dropping the port in mind ideally soon >> as well. >> >> On the list of known blockers for removing the i386 port are Steam and >> Wine. Solus' snapped Steam is progressing nicely and Steam deb is >> difficult to maintain as is [See removal bug]. That leaves coming up >> with a good way forward for Wine. >> >> Thanks! >> Simon Quigley >> Bryan Quigley >> >> [2016 email thread] >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-June/039420.html >> (was Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: >> Ubuntu Desktop on i386) >> [removal bug] https://pad.lv/1759715 >> >> -- >> ubuntu-devel mailing list >> ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel >> > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From rpc at bewitching.me Fri May 18 17:11:16 2018 From: rpc at bewitching.me (Robert Charbonneau) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 13:11:16 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Proposal: Let's drop i386 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f687525-9db1-5358-0a1a-ea21f9c17836@gmail.com> The i386 platform is obviously becoming antiquated, and even those who are still on that platform will have access to the 18.04 image. By the time the next release of *buntu comes about, there will be vastly fewer i386 systems (they won't run forever.) Anyone still running an i386 processor in the next 18 months will *still* have access to that 18.04 imageand the onus is on everyone to plan an upgrade to the x64 platform prior to the next LTS (quite a ways away.)  I'm not sure the extra coordinated effort required to test on a platform which is easily considered substandard now makes much sense when PCs running such processors are becoming more and more rareas time goes on. On 2018-05-18 12:52 PM, accessys at smart.net wrote: > > unfortunately I don't have a spare 386 computer to test with but a lot > of people with disabilities are using linux and I push Kubuntu because > of financial issues many are using second or even third hand computer > equipment which often is still 32bit. >  so is catch 22 the people testing don't have the older equip to test > but a lot of the older equip is being used by people who can't afford > anything newer. > > Bob > > > > On Fri, 18 May 2018, charlie wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:37:10 -0700 >> From: charlie >> Reply-To: Kubuntu user technical support >> >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: Fwd: Proposal: Let's drop i386 >> >> i think it's a good thing to see i386 getting dropped because that >> kind of hardware's old and obsolete anyway. 64 bit computers are >> cheaper now and shouldn't be too much of a burden for anyone to >> acquire something. i scored a Dell Precision T1600 workstation for >> $35 about a month ago and it's a 64 bit quad core Xeon processor. >> just saying. >> >> >> On 05/16/2018 04:17 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>> Hello folks, I'm forwarding the following email to Ubuntu-devel ML to >>> explain the thinking on the part of the Ubuntu developers as to why >>> they are discontinuing the i386 images. For us, this would mean that >>> the 18.04 LTS is the last i386 ISO that we will be publishing. I'm >>> reluctant to do this, however, I do not have the time or technical >>> knowledge required to do this on my own, and the Kubuntu Devels want >>> Kubuntu to stop issuing i386 images. >>> >>> Therefore, we are going to do that. For those of you who still want >>> and need i386, you will have 3 years of support from us on the LTS. >>> This means that when we're ready for the point releases (18,04.1, 2 >>> etc.) I will still be asking for testers and expect you i386 people to >>> step up and do that. >>> >>> For now the i386 *packages* in the archive are not going away. >>> However, I think the clock is ticking for them as well. On the other >>> hand, this will mean more attention from devels on the newer ARM stuff >>> which will be useful for those with Raspi or little ARM >>> laptop/netbooks. >>> >>> Discussion is welcome, but I'm afraid that the decision has been >>> taken, and we'll be moving ahead to 18.10 without i386. >>> >>> Valorie >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Bryan Quigley >>> Date: Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:07 PM >>> Subject: Proposal: Let's drop i386 >>> To: Ubuntu Developers , Ubuntu Core >>> developers >>> Cc: Dimitri John Ledkov >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for >>> consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling >>> centers. The last of these machines were manufactured over a decade >>> ago, and support from an increasing number of upstream projects has >>> ended. >>> >>> Ubuntu and flavors just completed the 18.04 release cycle. This >>> released version will either be supported until 2021 or 2023, >>> depending on the product, team, and willingness to support it. At that >>> point in time, the majority of these machines are approaching two >>> decades old. >>> >>>>> Previous 2016 thread: And in 2018, the question will come if we >>>>> can effectively provide security support on i386. >>> We can't.  Machines running i386 Ubuntu which are capable of running >>> amd64 Ubuntu are vulnerable to the critical Meltdown vulnerability >>> where they wouldn't be if they were running amd64. (Some actual i386 >>> hardware simply isn't vulnerable, but some is). >>> >>> We still have a relatively high number if i386 downloads but that >>> doesn't mean users machines are not capable of amd64. For the flavors >>> remaining today on i386 here are some i386 to amd64 ratios for 18.04: >>> >>> Lubuntu cdimage - 0.87 >>> Lubuntu tracker - 0.64 >>> Lubuntu error (pcmanfm) - 0.11 >>> Xubuntu cdimage - 0.49 >>> Xubuntu tracker -  0.30 >>> Xubuntu error (thunar) - 0.10 >>> Kylin tracker - 0.30 >>> Kylin error (engrampa) - 0.10 >>> Kubuntu cdimage - 0.14 >>> Kubuntu tracker - 0.12 >>> Kubuntu error (kinit) - 0.07 >>> >>> The data retrieved from cdimage is for a limited time period on May >>> 7th. All cdimage statistics included many hundreds to thousands of >>> downloads (except Ubuntu Kylin due to it using it's own CDN, so not >>> being included here). The torrent tracker results are available here: >>> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/. >>> The error tracker statistics come from comparing top bugs shared >>> between i386 and amd64 over last week. Bugs that affect multiple >>> flavors are not included. >>> It's not fully understood why there is a large discrepancy between the >>> error tracker and other sources - but it's possible apport doesn't >>> work as well in low memory. >>> >>> With Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Budgie, and Ubuntu Studio joining Ubuntu >>> Desktop and Server in not offering i386 support in order to focus >>> their efforts, and these statistics in mind, we (flavors) should all >>> join them. Now is the ideal time to do so, because it's before the >>> Cosmic cycle is really under way, and if support were continued for >>> i386, we don't want users to meet a dead end with respect to upgrade >>> paths, and would support it until 20.04 (which means either five or >>> seven more years of i386). Users still have the support cycle of 18.04 >>> to use their machines and get full support, so these machines will >>> still be able to function. But with no new machines being >>> manufactured, we have to deprecate support at some point. >>> >>> The first step would be to all agree on dropping images/installers but >>> we should keep the end goal of dropping the port in mind ideally soon >>> as well. >>> >>> On the list of known blockers for removing the i386 port are Steam and >>> Wine. Solus' snapped Steam is progressing nicely and Steam deb is >>> difficult to maintain as is [See removal bug]. That leaves coming up >>> with a good way forward for Wine. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Simon Quigley >>> Bryan Quigley >>> >>> [2016 email thread] >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-June/039420.html >>> (was Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: >>> Ubuntu Desktop on i386) >>> [removal bug] https://pad.lv/1759715 >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-devel mailing list >>> ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel >>> >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlapham at gmail.com Fri May 18 20:33:46 2018 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 16:33:46 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Proposal: Let's drop i386 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10677580.uqd0Ae3Aqi@jerry-hp2> On Friday, May 18, 2018 12:52:30 PM EDT accessys at smart.net wrote: > unfortunately I don't have a spare 386 computer to test with but a lot of > people with disabilities are using linux and I push Kubuntu because of > financial issues many are using second or even third hand computer > equipment which often is still 32bit. > > so is catch 22 the people testing don't have the older equip to test but > > a lot of the older equip is being used by people who can't afford anything > newer. Aren't we missing the fact that it's not absolutely necessary to run the very latest version? If you're using old hardware, run the old version that's already on it. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Walk to Emmaus: Fueling station for a spirit-filled church From cenbe at kolabnow.com Sat May 19 13:48:52 2018 From: cenbe at kolabnow.com (Glenn Holmer) Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 08:48:52 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Proposal: Let's drop i386 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b079811-fc2e-4d16-a442-b5325dd3980c@kolabnow.com> On 05/16/2018 06:17 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hello folks, I'm forwarding the following email to Ubuntu-devel ML to > explain the thinking on the part of the Ubuntu developers as to why > they are discontinuing the i386 images. For us, this would mean that > the 18.04 LTS is the last i386 ISO that we will be publishing. I agree with the removal. At this point, i386 is a specialist platform more suited to the retro community. People who still have i386 systems (including two here in my lab) shouldn't be surprised if they need to use specialized distros rather than the mainstream ones. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From rikmills at kubuntu.org Mon May 21 15:45:16 2018 From: rikmills at kubuntu.org (Rik Mills) Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 16:45:16 +0100 Subject: Please help test Plasma 5.12.5 stable release update for 18.04 Message-ID: <6140451f-7646-52e9-4b49-14581bf978c9@kubuntu.org> Details can be found at: https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-12-5-bugfix-update-for-kubuntu-18-04-lts-testing-help-required/ However, in short, testing and verification is required so that these updates can be shipped to the Ubuntu archive and so included in 18.04 point release ISOs. Thank You Rik Mills Kubuntu Council Kubuntu Developer From fizzlifax at posteo.net Thu May 24 18:36:26 2018 From: fizzlifax at posteo.net (Fizzlifax) Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 20:36:26 +0200 Subject: GRUB-Installation failure? Message-ID: Hi, I am using Kubuntu 14.04 - 64 LTS with a Raid-Controler and Raid 5 and LVM. Now I installed a new Samsung SSD and wanted install Kubuntu 18.04 - 64 LTS The installation proceedes but there are big issues with the LVM-Management! Nevertheless - I tried all kinds auf installations but it fails always, after the installation, when - i suppose - the boot-record and Grub ist written. The bugtracker-Window ist not active so I cant put there any message! To be shure that it is not my system - I tried the same with Ubuntu and miracle there were no problems except the same LVM troubbles - but the system is able to start. There is also another Bug since the system rubs the LVM-Swap-LV from the raid instead to use the SSD. - This on both distributions. But I didnt give there any permission it for! I am used with installation problems for LVM-use but it is always desesperating! I filed the problems to a lot of forums but without any reaction as - that one feels not responsible it for! ####### Any idea to resolve the problem? Thanks in advance Fi