Kubuntu 14.10 end of life

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:49:04 +0200, Jörn Schönyan wrote:
>Plasma 5 isn't that unstable as you describe it. Yes, it is unfinished
>- but many people are using it and are happy. The rest can stay with
>4.x until 5 matures enough.

IOW you don't care about other. Some are happy, the others are free to
downgrade to the last LTS and run into downgrade issues, since some
apps transform data, when they are upgraded, but can't transform the
data to an older format when downgrading.

Several people don't need LTS releases, "minor issues" when
upgrading are ok, they are just unhappy with "critical issues". The
desktop environment is much more important than a media player.

>> To discuss the approach to continue releasing unfinished, unstable
>> software is also a contribution to the community, a contribution the
>> Linux community needs.
>No it's unnecessary, it wastes time.

So you also would like to get regressions for the kernel?

Also from the link I already posted:

"But I'm not willing to merge something where the maintainer is known
to not care about bugs and regressions and then forces people in other
projects to fix their project."

>> "Kay - one more time: you caused the problem, you need to fix it.
>> None of this "I can do whatever I want, others have to clean up
>> after me" crap.
>> 
>>                  Linus" - https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420

The name "Linux" original is for the kernel and it was, is and will be
the policy of the kernel development to avoid regressions. The approach
to accept regression was introduced by developers of the bloated
desktop environments. It's up to the users to answer this approach with
talking about it and stop using such desktop environments. Actually I
was a KDE 3 user, switched to GNOME 2, when KDE 4 was a PITA and to
Xfce4, when GNOME 3 caused very serious issues. Xfce4 introduced
regressions within a major release, IOW it's more problematic, than
what happened to KDE and GNOME.

My production machine's main environment is openbox + selected panels
(fbpanel and lxpanel) + a selected file manager (spacefm) + a selected
terminal emulation (roxterm) etc., today I removed Ark, since after
running Ark, something makes green HDDs spinning down and up again and
again, so I chose to use engrampa-thunar the archive manipulator of
MATE, without caja dependency.

JFTR lxpanel also suffered from waking up green drives, but the
developer was willing to fix it. As you can see, I'm willing to
contribute with bug reports and compiling from git,
http://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/bugs/751/ , but only if the developers
care about user experiences. To file an more or less equal bug against
GNOME, KDE and Xfce4 software, e.g. regarding the green drive issue
against GVFS is useless, because they don't care about such critical
bugs.

>Right: upstream can't care longer about KDE 4.x and recommended to
>switch to Plasma 5. So Kubuntu devs did it. If you are unhappy with,
>you know what is to do.

Indeed, I removed a Kubuntu install with KDE 4 a few days ago and what
ever Ubuntu flavour I'll install next, I unlikely will install KDE
again, at least not for an production environment.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:06:29 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>Jörn Schönyan composed on 2015-07-24 13:49 (UTC+0200):
>
>> Plasma 5 isn't that unstable as you describe it.
>
>It's unstable to little short of completely useless:
>https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346059
>
>Not to mention too unfinished:
>https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982

A workaround would be to stay with KDE 5 and to replace some KDE
software. A panel could be replaced with lxqt-panel, assumed not much
features are needed. If many features are needed, then e.g. lxpanel
could be used. I anyway would replace several apps, what ever
environment I use, since I prefer apps that are more feature-rich, but
still less bloated and faster, than the apps of most desktop
environments are.

Regards,
Ralf