From rjlapham at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 00:16:38 2015 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 20:16:38 -0400 Subject: Quicken in Wine In-Reply-To: <2751957.MkOdQ7B0g5@lark-latitude-d830> References: <4126580.TOUPsWR3am@jerry-hp2> <2751957.MkOdQ7B0g5@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <2270088.uWAdXNlzBh@jerry-hp2> On Sunday, June 28, 2015 01:51:06 PM Clay Weber wrote: > On Friday, June 26, 2015 04:53:31 PM Jerry Lapham wrote: > > I can start Quicken on my old Kubuntu 14.04 system with the following: > > > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program > > Files (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" > > > > When I try it on my new system I get the following errors? > > > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program > > Files (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" > > fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly > > L"Microsoft.VC80.MFC" (8.0.50727.762) > > err:module:import_dll Library MFC80.DLL (which is needed by L"C:\\Program > > Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe") not found > > err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"C:\\Program > > Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe" failed, status c0000135 > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ > > > > Why the difference? > > You need to install whatever provides the MFC80.DLL, probably vcrun2005 or > similar. If you have winetricks, it should provide this as an item to > install.. > > https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=107 Now it displays the logo and hangs. After much messing around, it Error: Could not load SkuMap. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Let no good deed go unpunished. From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 06:10:11 2015 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 23:10:11 -0700 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 16:03 (UTC-0500): > >> No critter likes "change". We all want things to remain just as they >> are, and always have been. The change from KDE3 to KDE4 meant that I had >> to learn to use a new piece of software. > > Some of us in older generations have learned to not fix what ain't broke, and > would like to see some respect from naive youth causing change. KDE upstream > has at least twice discarded invested wealth by starting from scratch in > order to institute perceived need to change. It's learned little from the > wisdom that history provides. Many of the changes have come about because if there is no fix, it will *become* broken. Hardware changes, the kernel has to adapt, and software changes radiate out in all directions as a result. I wouldn't cast blame on the young, either -- some of us older folks create Kubuntu, and create KDE. We welcome all people of good will to help us build Kubuntu. If you want Kubuntu to continue to grow and thrive, consider contributing. We need people to test, to file bugs, to triage and fix those bugs, to package, write documentation, translate and internationalize, promote Kubuntu, plan meetings and gatherings, do artwork, and on and on. If you have time, we need YOU. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From mrmazda at earthlink.net Wed Jul 1 09:17:24 2015 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 05:17:24 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5593B024.6030109@earthlink.net> Valorie Zimmerman composed on 2015-06-30 23:10 (UTC-0700): > Felix Miata wrote: >> ...KDE upstream >> has at least twice discarded invested wealth by starting from scratch in >> order to institute perceived need to change. It's learned little from the >> wisdom that history provides ... > If you > want Kubuntu to continue to grow and thrive, consider contributing. We > need people to test, to file bugs, to triage and fix those bugs... I test. I file bugs. I triage where both allowed and reasonably competent. I have hundreds of installations across a variety of real hardware largely for precisely such purposes. Filing a reproducible bug with enough information for an assignee to proceed to fix it can take hours, even days, to discover enough to know in which tracker is appropriate to file, besides how to describe errant behavior. You won't find me active in bugs.launchpad.net or debian.org/Bugs due largely to incompatibility between myself and those trackers, but you will find me as commenter, CC and reporter *upstream* on bugs.kde.org, bugs.freedesktop.org, bugzilla.mozilla.org, bugzilla.kernel.org, bugs.pearsoncomputing.net, bugreports.qt.io and elsewhere on which Kubuntu depends. I, as well as others, could do more if only important function blockers[1] weren't left to languish unfixed. [1] e.g.: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-45522 (works in KDE4) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346122 (works in KDE4) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 (works in KDE4) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346059 (not a problem in KDE4) https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346244 (works in KDE4) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 09:50:46 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:50:46 +0200 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> On 01/07/2015 08:10, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Felix Miata wrote: >> Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 16:03 (UTC-0500): >> >>> No critter likes "change". We all want things to remain just as they >>> are, and always have been. The change from KDE3 to KDE4 meant that I had >>> to learn to use a new piece of software. >> >> Some of us in older generations have learned to not fix what ain't broke, and >> would like to see some respect from naive youth causing change. KDE upstream >> has at least twice discarded invested wealth by starting from scratch in >> order to institute perceived need to change. It's learned little from the >> wisdom that history provides. > > Many of the changes have come about because if there is no fix, it > will *become* broken. Hardware changes, the kernel has to adapt, and > software changes radiate out in all directions as a result. I wouldn't > cast blame on the young, either -- some of us older folks create > Kubuntu, and create KDE. > > We welcome all people of good will to help us build Kubuntu. If you > want Kubuntu to continue to grow and thrive, consider contributing. We > need people to test, to file bugs, to triage and fix those bugs, to > package, write documentation, translate and internationalize, promote > Kubuntu, plan meetings and gatherings, do artwork, and on and on. If > you have time, we need YOU. > This all reminds me of the KDE3- KDE4 migration. But if we only want stability I would perhaps use Windows XP still (it is my job to know the various Windows versions) as it "does the job" in most cases. But, as pointed out by Valerie, will have huge problems with recent hardware. As will Trinity and eventually KDE4. I have all and full respect for those continuing to evolve KDE to stay up to date and not become outdated. Let us agree that "change is the only permanent". As many others I have decided to stay on KDE4 for now - I need a stable production environment. So I am one of those who do not help much with testing "bleeding edge" as I use Kubuntu to make a living and have issues with crashes, software not working yet and so on. But I follow the developments and changes with great interest and when I have time I run 15.04 in virtualbox to keep up and file bugs. Kudos to all devs, the VDG and others! From tuxmario.detreb at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 12:08:49 2015 From: tuxmario.detreb at gmail.com (TuxMario DETREB) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:08:49 +0200 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5593D851.6080309@gmail.com> Le 01/07/2015 11:50, O. Sinclair a écrit : > On 01/07/2015 08:10, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Felix Miata wrote: >>> Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 16:03 (UTC-0500): >>> >>>> No critter likes "change". We all want things to remain just as they >>>> are, and always have been. The change from KDE3 to KDE4 meant that I had >>>> to learn to use a new piece of software. >>> Some of us in older generations have learned to not fix what ain't broke, and >>> would like to see some respect from naive youth causing change. KDE upstream >>> has at least twice discarded invested wealth by starting from scratch in >>> order to institute perceived need to change. It's learned little from the >>> wisdom that history provides. >> Many of the changes have come about because if there is no fix, it >> will *become* broken. Hardware changes, the kernel has to adapt, and >> software changes radiate out in all directions as a result. I wouldn't >> cast blame on the young, either -- some of us older folks create >> Kubuntu, and create KDE. >> >> We welcome all people of good will to help us build Kubuntu. If you >> want Kubuntu to continue to grow and thrive, consider contributing. We >> need people to test, to file bugs, to triage and fix those bugs, to >> package, write documentation, translate and internationalize, promote >> Kubuntu, plan meetings and gatherings, do artwork, and on and on. If >> you have time, we need YOU. >> > This all reminds me of the KDE3- KDE4 migration. But if we only want > stability I would perhaps use Windows XP still (it is my job to know the > various Windows versions) as it "does the job" in most cases. But, as > pointed out by Valerie, will have huge problems with recent hardware. As > will Trinity and eventually KDE4. > > I have all and full respect for those continuing to evolve KDE to stay > up to date and not become outdated. Let us agree that "change is the > only permanent". > > As many others I have decided to stay on KDE4 for now - I need a stable > production environment. So I am one of those who do not help much with > testing "bleeding edge" as I use Kubuntu to make a living and have > issues with crashes, software not working yet and so on. > > But I follow the developments and changes with great interest and when I > have time I run 15.04 in virtualbox to keep up and file bugs. Kudos to > all devs, the VDG and others! > > > I read many bad remarks about KDE5 and Kubuntu 15.04. Some of its are a little bit aggressive! I only want to give my better feeling to KDE/Kubuntu developers about the new releases. The migration from 14.10 to 15.04 was very smooth for me and I had very few problems to adapt my old brain (I'm 63 (old ?)) I like new features and I'm ready to support some issue but my usage of Kubuntu 15.04 didn't reached any important one since end of April. So give my congratulations to KDE/Kubuntu developers. Naturally I recommend users to keep LTS release when needing a very stable PC Regards : Mario ROGER PS : I apologize for my poor English (I'm French) From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 12:19:45 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:19:45 +0200 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5593D851.6080309@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> <5593D851.6080309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5593DAE1.8090704@gmail.com> On 01/07/2015 14:08, TuxMario DETREB wrote: > > Le 01/07/2015 11:50, O. Sinclair a écrit : >> On 01/07/2015 08:10, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Felix Miata >>> wrote: >>>> Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 16:03 (UTC-0500): >>>> >>>>> No critter likes "change". We all want things to remain just as they >>>>> are, and always have been. The change from KDE3 to KDE4 meant that >>>>> I had >>>>> to learn to use a new piece of software. >>>> Some of us in older generations have learned to not fix what ain't >>>> broke, and >>>> would like to see some respect from naive youth causing change. KDE >>>> upstream >>>> has at least twice discarded invested wealth by starting from >>>> scratch in >>>> order to institute perceived need to change. It's learned little >>>> from the >>>> wisdom that history provides. >>> Many of the changes have come about because if there is no fix, it >>> will *become* broken. Hardware changes, the kernel has to adapt, and >>> software changes radiate out in all directions as a result. I wouldn't >>> cast blame on the young, either -- some of us older folks create >>> Kubuntu, and create KDE. >>> >>> We welcome all people of good will to help us build Kubuntu. If you >>> want Kubuntu to continue to grow and thrive, consider contributing. We >>> need people to test, to file bugs, to triage and fix those bugs, to >>> package, write documentation, translate and internationalize, promote >>> Kubuntu, plan meetings and gatherings, do artwork, and on and on. If >>> you have time, we need YOU. >>> >> This all reminds me of the KDE3- KDE4 migration. But if we only want >> stability I would perhaps use Windows XP still (it is my job to know the >> various Windows versions) as it "does the job" in most cases. But, as >> pointed out by Valerie, will have huge problems with recent hardware. As >> will Trinity and eventually KDE4. >> >> I have all and full respect for those continuing to evolve KDE to stay >> up to date and not become outdated. Let us agree that "change is the >> only permanent". >> >> As many others I have decided to stay on KDE4 for now - I need a stable >> production environment. So I am one of those who do not help much with >> testing "bleeding edge" as I use Kubuntu to make a living and have >> issues with crashes, software not working yet and so on. >> >> But I follow the developments and changes with great interest and when I >> have time I run 15.04 in virtualbox to keep up and file bugs. Kudos to >> all devs, the VDG and others! >> >> >> > > I read many bad remarks about KDE5 and Kubuntu 15.04. Some of its are a > little bit aggressive! > I only want to give my better feeling to KDE/Kubuntu developers about > the new releases. > The migration from 14.10 to 15.04 was very smooth for me and I had very > few problems to adapt my old brain (I'm 63 (old ?)) > I like new features and I'm ready to support some issue but my usage of > Kubuntu 15.04 didn't reached any important one since end of April. So > give my congratulations to KDE/Kubuntu developers. > > Naturally I recommend users to keep LTS release when needing a very > stable PC > > Regards : Mario ROGER > PS : I apologize for my poor English (I'm French) Your English is way better than my French ;-) From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jul 1 13:17:33 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:17:33 -0500 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5593B024.6030109@earthlink.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B024.6030109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5593E86D.50108@swbell.net> On 07/01/2015 04:17 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > Valorie Zimmerman composed on 2015-06-30 23:10 (UTC-0700): > >> Felix Miata wrote: >>> ...KDE upstream >>> has at least twice discarded invested wealth by starting from scratch in >>> order to institute perceived need to change. It's learned little from the >>> wisdom that history provides > ... >> If you >> want Kubuntu to continue to grow and thrive, consider contributing. We >> need people to test, to file bugs, to triage and fix those bugs... > I test. I file bugs. I triage where both allowed and reasonably competent. I > have hundreds of installations across a variety of real hardware largely for > precisely such purposes. Filing a reproducible bug with enough information > for an assignee to proceed to fix it can take hours, even days, to discover > enough to know in which tracker is appropriate to file, besides how to > describe errant behavior. You won't find me active in bugs.launchpad.net or > debian.org/Bugs due largely to incompatibility between myself and those > trackers, but you will find me as commenter, CC and reporter *upstream* on > bugs.kde.org, bugs.freedesktop.org, bugzilla.mozilla.org, > bugzilla.kernel.org, bugs.pearsoncomputing.net, bugreports.qt.io and > elsewhere on which Kubuntu depends. I, as well as others, could do more if > only important function blockers[1] weren't left to languish unfixed. > > [1] e.g.: > https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-45522 (works in KDE4) > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346122 (works in KDE4) > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 (works in KDE4) > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346059 (not a problem in KDE4) > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346244 (works in KDE4) Thank you Felix for your efforts. Unfortunately I don't have those kinds of skills. I have a hard time filing a bug at all. The box pops up asking to file a bug and as a general rule it can't because something is needed that I don't know how to provide. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jul 1 13:20:45 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:20:45 -0500 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> On 07/01/2015 04:50 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > But if we only want > stability I would perhaps use Windows XP still (it is my job to know the > various Windows versions) as it "does the job" in most cases. For Windows I would pick 7 over XP. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From reb68 at att.net Wed Jul 1 14:22:16 2015 From: reb68 at att.net (Richard Barmann) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:22:16 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <2740180.ryp4VDDv8z@localhost> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <2740180.ryp4VDDv8z@localhost> Message-ID: <5593F798.5000206@att.net> I have been using KDE for several years and doing the upgrade whenever they come out. When 15.04 came out the upgrade would not open and everyone says I need a newer Video Card. I have asked but no one will suggest what card I need. I am using Xfce at this time but would love to get back to Kubuntu. I would even go back a version until the next upgrade no one will tell me how to go back. I was going to try PCLinuxOS and downloaded it with Torrent but cannot find it now that the full 140.65 MIB is uloaded. I probable should not have tried to use Torrent because I know nothing about it. Any suggestions on getting 15.05 Kubuntu or going back to 14.? are greatly appreciated. Thank You, Dick Barmann On 06/30/2015 01:17 PM, m.celiesius at yandex.ru wrote: > On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:53:07 Dale Trombley wrote: >> So this starts my search for a new kde-centric distro. Any > suggestions >> Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases >> opensuse seems like the best candidate for me >> needs apt and/or apt-get command line >> Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, but > what >> happens to it now?) >> I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. >> Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it > so. >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Alan Dacey (grokit) < >> >> grokit at ajinfosearch.com> wrote: >>> On Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:50:38 PM Rick wrote: >>>> I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , >>>> >>>> or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on this.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Rick >>> All I've heard is from this article: >>> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-15.10-Worrying-> > State >>> >>> >>> I wouldn't be surprised since Ubuntu seems to be going in their > own >>> direction now and do not seem to want to support Wayland. That > causes >>> problems for all derivatives not just Kubuntu. >>> >>> >>> >>> KDE is not having problems, Kubuntu was always the blue-haired > stepchild >>> and Johnathan Riddell (the guy who started Kubuntu) being forced > to resign >>> from the Kubuntu leadership seems to have caused irreparable > harm and deep >>> seated distrust. >>> >>> >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Hello. Your can try Mageia 5. Very stable and nice. Check here > https://www.mageia.org/en/ > From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jul 1 14:26:09 2015 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 16:26:09 +0200 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5593F798.5000206@att.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <2740180.ryp4VDDv8z@localhost> <5593F798.5000206@att.net> Message-ID: <5593F881.3000007@free.fr> I have a NVIDIA 620 and it works ok Le 01/07/2015 16:22, Richard Barmann a écrit : > I have been using KDE for several years and doing the upgrade whenever > they come out. When 15.04 came out the upgrade would not open and > everyone says I need a newer Video Card. I have asked but no one will > suggest what card I need. I am using Xfce at this time but would love > to get back to Kubuntu. I would even go back a version until the next > upgrade no one will tell me how to go back. I was going to try > PCLinuxOS and downloaded it with Torrent but cannot find it now that > the full 140.65 MIB is uloaded. I probable should not have tried to > use Torrent because I know nothing about it. Any suggestions on > getting 15.05 Kubuntu or going back to 14.? are greatly appreciated. > > Thank You, > Dick Barmann > > > On 06/30/2015 01:17 PM, m.celiesius at yandex.ru wrote: >> On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:53:07 Dale Trombley wrote: >>> So this starts my search for a new kde-centric distro. Any >> suggestions >>> Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases >>> opensuse seems like the best candidate for me >>> needs apt and/or apt-get command line >>> Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, but >> what >>> happens to it now?) >>> I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. >>> Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it >> so. >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Alan Dacey (grokit) < >>> >>> grokit at ajinfosearch.com> wrote: >>>> On Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:50:38 PM Rick wrote: >>>>> I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , >>>>> >>>>> or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on this.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Rick >>>> All I've heard is from this article: >>>> >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-15.10-Worrying-> >> > State >>>> >>>> >>>> I wouldn't be surprised since Ubuntu seems to be going in their >> own >>>> direction now and do not seem to want to support Wayland. That >> causes >>>> problems for all derivatives not just Kubuntu. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> KDE is not having problems, Kubuntu was always the blue-haired >> stepchild >>>> and Johnathan Riddell (the guy who started Kubuntu) being forced >> to resign >>>> from the Kubuntu leadership seems to have caused irreparable >> harm and deep >>>> seated distrust. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> -- >>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> Hello. Your can try Mageia 5. Very stable and nice. Check here >> https://www.mageia.org/en/ >> > > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jul 1 15:01:29 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:01:29 -0500 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5593F798.5000206@att.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <2740180.ryp4VDDv8z@localhost> <5593F798.5000206@att.net> Message-ID: <559400C9.7040103@swbell.net> On 07/01/2015 09:22 AM, Richard Barmann wrote: > I have been using KDE for several years and doing the upgrade whenever > they come out. When 15.04 came out the upgrade would not open and > everyone says I need a newer Video Card. I have asked but no one will > suggest what card I need. I am using Xfce at this time but would love > to get back to Kubuntu. I would even go back a version until the next > upgrade no one will tell me how to go back. I was going to try > PCLinuxOS and downloaded it with Torrent but cannot find it now that > the full 140.65 MIB is uloaded. I probable should not have tried to > use Torrent because I know nothing about it. Any suggestions on > getting 15.05 Kubuntu or going back to 14.? are greatly appreciated. > > Thank You, > Dick Barmann > For video cards I prefer AMD/ATI Radeon. [ I also prefer AMD processors and they kind of go together ] Right now I have kind of an upper mid range card with plenty of it's own onboard memory. I believe it's something or other 2700 Radeon. AMD catalyst makes the card work and makes setting up a breeze. You will probably get different recommendations from others. I'm sure we all have our personal preferences. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From m.celiesius at yandex.ru Wed Jul 1 15:19:19 2015 From: m.celiesius at yandex.ru (m.celiesius at yandex.ru) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:19:19 +0300 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5593F881.3000007@free.fr> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5593F798.5000206@att.net> <5593F881.3000007@free.fr> Message-ID: <2011051.vn5PPXpXKm@localhost> On Wednesday, July 01, 2015 16:26:09 Girard Henri wrote: > I have a NVIDIA 620 and it works ok > > Le 01/07/2015 16:22, Richard Barmann a écrit : > > I have been using KDE for several years and doing the upgrade whenever > > they come out. When 15.04 came out the upgrade would not open and > > everyone says I need a newer Video Card. I have asked but no one will > > suggest what card I need. I am using Xfce at this time but would love > > to get back to Kubuntu. I would even go back a version until the next > > upgrade no one will tell me how to go back. I was going to try > > PCLinuxOS and downloaded it with Torrent but cannot find it now that > > the full 140.65 MIB is uloaded. I probable should not have tried to > > use Torrent because I know nothing about it. Any suggestions on > > getting 15.05 Kubuntu or going back to 14.? are greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank You, > > Dick Barmann > > > > On 06/30/2015 01:17 PM, m.celiesius at yandex.ru wrote: > >> On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:53:07 Dale Trombley wrote: > >>> So this starts my search for a new kde-centric distro. Any > >> > >> suggestions > >> > >>> Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases > >>> opensuse seems like the best candidate for me > >>> needs apt and/or apt-get command line > >>> Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, but > >> > >> what > >> > >>> happens to it now?) > >>> I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. > >>> Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it > >> > >> so. > >> > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Alan Dacey (grokit) < > >>> > >>> grokit at ajinfosearch.com> wrote: > >>>> On Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:50:38 PM Rick wrote: > >>>>> I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , > >>>>> > >>>>> or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on this.. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -Rick > >>>> > >>>> All I've heard is from this article: > >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-15.10-Worrying > >> -> > >> > >> > State > >> > > >>>> I wouldn't be surprised since Ubuntu seems to be going in their > >> > >> own > >> > >>>> direction now and do not seem to want to support Wayland. That > >> > >> causes > >> > >>>> problems for all derivatives not just Kubuntu. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> KDE is not having problems, Kubuntu was always the blue- haired > >> > >> stepchild > >> > >>>> and Johnathan Riddell (the guy who started Kubuntu) being forced > >> > >> to resign > >> > >>>> from the Kubuntu leadership seems to have caused irreparable > >> > >> harm and deep > >> > >>>> seated distrust. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Alan > >> > >> Hello. Your can try Mageia 5. Very stable and nice. Check here > >> https://www.mageia.org/en/ I have Nvidia 650GTX and it works well. From dick at stripingthetown.com Wed Jul 1 15:28:16 2015 From: dick at stripingthetown.com (Richard Barmann) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:28:16 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <2011051.vn5PPXpXKm@localhost> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5593F798.5000206@att.net> <5593F881.3000007@free.fr> <2011051.vn5PPXpXKm@localhost> Message-ID: <55940710.1030806@stripingthetown.com> In Systems my PC Reads: NVIDIA Graphic Card Information Card Type Unknown 8X Video Ram 512 MB GPU Frequency 350 MHz Is the above able to open Kubuntu 15.04 If not then I must have another problem Dick Barmann On 07/01/2015 11:19 AM, m.celiesius at yandex.ru wrote: > On Wednesday, July 01, 2015 16:26:09 Girard Henri wrote: >> I have a NVIDIA 620 and it works ok >> >> Le 01/07/2015 16:22, Richard Barmann a écrit : >>> I have been using KDE for several years and doing the upgrade > whenever >>> they come out. When 15.04 came out the upgrade would not open > and >>> everyone says I need a newer Video Card. I have asked but no one > will >>> suggest what card I need. I am using Xfce at this time but would > love >>> to get back to Kubuntu. I would even go back a version until the > next >>> upgrade no one will tell me how to go back. I was going to try >>> PCLinuxOS and downloaded it with Torrent but cannot find it now > that >>> the full 140.65 MIB is uloaded. I probable should not have tried to >>> use Torrent because I know nothing about it. Any suggestions on >>> getting 15.05 Kubuntu or going back to 14.? are greatly > appreciated. >>> Thank You, >>> Dick Barmann >>> >>> On 06/30/2015 01:17 PM, m.celiesius at yandex.ru wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:53:07 Dale Trombley wrote: >>>>> So this starts my search for a new kde-centric distro. Any >>>> suggestions >>>> >>>>> Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases >>>>> opensuse seems like the best candidate for me >>>>> needs apt and/or apt-get command line >>>>> Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, > but >>>> what >>>> >>>>> happens to it now?) >>>>> I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not > forced to. >>>>> Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing > with it >>>> so. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Alan Dacey (grokit) < >>>>> >>>>> grokit at ajinfosearch.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:50:38 PM Rick wrote: >>>>>>> I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on > this.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Rick >>>>>> All I've heard is from this article: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-15.10-Worrying >>>> -> >>>> >>>>> State >>>>> >>>>>> I wouldn't be surprised since Ubuntu seems to be going in > their >>>> own >>>> >>>>>> direction now and do not seem to want to support Wayland. > That >>>> causes >>>> >>>>>> problems for all derivatives not just Kubuntu. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> KDE is not having problems, Kubuntu was always the blue- > haired >>>> stepchild >>>> >>>>>> and Johnathan Riddell (the guy who started Kubuntu) being > forced >>>> to resign >>>> >>>>>> from the Kubuntu leadership seems to have caused > irreparable >>>> harm and deep >>>> >>>>>> seated distrust. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan >>>> Hello. Your can try Mageia 5. Very stable and nice. Check here >>>> https://www.mageia.org/en/ > I have Nvidia 650GTX and it works well. > From james.cain.25 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 16:06:51 2015 From: james.cain.25 at gmail.com (James Cain) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:06:51 -0400 Subject: Fwd: KDE ? In-Reply-To: References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5593F798.5000206@att.net> <5593F881.3000007@free.fr> <2011051.vn5PPXpXKm@localhost> <55940710.1030806@stripingthetown.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Richard Barmann wrote: > In Systems my PC Reads: > NVIDIA Graphic Card Information > Card Type Unknown 8X > Video Ram 512 MB > GPU Frequency 350 MHz > Is the above able to open Kubuntu 15.04 > > If not then I must have another problem > Dick Barmann > ​If you want a more exact listing of what your video card is, run this in a terminal: sudo lshw -html > hardware.html​ > ​ ​Then use Dolphin to find the file and it will open in your web browser. It should be right in your Home directory. Mine looks like this: ​LSHW Sample Output ​ Hope that helps. - James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrmazda at earthlink.net Wed Jul 1 16:13:52 2015 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 12:13:52 -0400 Subject: OK to use this NVidia card? (was: KDE ?) In-Reply-To: <55940710.1030806@stripingthetown.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5593F798.5000206@att.net> <5593F881.3000007@free.fr> <2011051.vn5PPXpXKm@localhost> <55940710.1030806@stripingthetown.com> Message-ID: <559411C0.8010005@earthlink.net> Richard Barmann composed on 2015-07-01 11:28 (UTC-0400): > In Systems my PC Reads: > NVIDIA Graphic Card Information > Card Type Unknown 8X > Video Ram 512 MB > GPU Frequency 350 MHz > Is the above able to open Kubuntu 15.04 That's a rather sketchy description with which I am unfamiliar and in part suggests a very old age. It looks like might predate those listed on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia#Product_families . 8X infers an AGP card type, which would prevent your use of any of the recommendations already provided in this thread, while the frequency and RAM size suggest newer. Can you please provide output from the following done in a terminal? lspci | grep VGA You may need to prepend sudo to it. Even better would be hwinfo --gfxcard -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From reb at barmannsbar.com Wed Jul 1 18:30:02 2015 From: reb at barmannsbar.com (Richard Barmann) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:30:02 -0400 Subject: OK to use this NVidia card? In-Reply-To: <559411C0.8010005@earthlink.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5593F798.5000206@att.net> <5593F881.3000007@free.fr> <2011051.vn5PPXpXKm@localhost> <55940710.1030806@stripingthetown.com> <559411C0.8010005@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <559431AA.2080100@barmannsbar.com> On 07/01/2015 12:13 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > hwinfo --gfxcard > -- Dick Barmann Konsole output dick at dick-desktop:~$ lspci | grep VGA 01:00.0 VGAcompatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) dick at dick-desktop:~$ hwinfo --gfxcard No command 'hwinfo' found, did you mean: Command 'hinfo' from package 'ganeti-htools' (universe) Command 'hinfo' from package 'ganeti' (universe) hwinfo: command not found dick at dick-desktop:~$ -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralsa at openmailbox.org Wed Jul 1 19:44:49 2015 From: ralsa at openmailbox.org (Carlos A.F.) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 21:44:49 +0200 Subject: "Special Application settings" and "Special Window Settings" from window corner fail Message-ID: <1991949.7TUgz8RS9F@anibal> When I try to use "Special Application settings" and "Special Window Settings" from the top left window corner kdeinit5 crashes (Ejecutable: kdeinit5 PID: 8858 Señal: Segmentation fault (11) Hora: 1/7/15 21:41:16) and the operations is not possible. Using Kubuntu 15.04 and 15.10 Alpha (*Platform Version 4.14.6)* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 19:49:58 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:49:58 -0500 Subject: "Special Application settings" and "Special Window Settings" from window corner fail In-Reply-To: <1991949.7TUgz8RS9F@anibal> References: <1991949.7TUgz8RS9F@anibal> Message-ID: Howdy, It crashed for me too, I switch to 14.04. Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Carlos A.F. wrote: > When I try to use "Special Application settings" and "Special Window > Settings" from the top left window corner kdeinit5 crashes (Ejecutable: > kdeinit5 PID: 8858 Señal: Segmentation fault (11) Hora: 1/7/15 21:41:16) > and the operations is not possible. > > > > Using Kubuntu 15.04 and 15.10 Alpha (Platform Version 4.14.6) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jul 1 19:58:30 2015 From: sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk (Sid Boyce) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:58:30 +0100 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55944666.4000300@blueyonder.co.uk> On 01/07/15 10:50, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > This all reminds me of the KDE3- KDE4 migration. But if we only want > stability I would perhaps use Windows XP still (it is my job to know the > various Windows versions) as it "does the job" in most cases. But, as > pointed out by Valerie, will have huge problems with recent hardware. As > will Trinity and eventually KDE4. > > I have all and full respect for those continuing to evolve KDE to stay > up to date and not become outdated. Let us agree that "change is the > only permanent". > > As many others I have decided to stay on KDE4 for now - I need a stable > production environment. So I am one of those who do not help much with > testing "bleeding edge" as I use Kubuntu to make a living and have > issues with crashes, software not working yet and so on. > > But I follow the developments and changes with great interest and when I > have time I run 15.04 in virtualbox to keep up and file bugs. Kudos to > all devs, the VDG and others! > > > > > > ------------------------------ I have always used "bleeding edge" SuSE/openSUSE even for work and Kubuntu 15.04 has been up and running happily on 2 x86_64 boxes for quite a while with the latest vanilla kernels. Then again I started with the first Linux kernel on an old Toshiba laptop with 2 floppy drives, then all the early Linux distros. I also run Ubuntu ARM on ODROID-X, -U3 and -C1 as well as 3 openSUSE x86_64 boxes on which I run other distros including, Arch, Fedora, Android x86 and Solaris in VirtualBox VM's. The only insurmountable problem I have often run into is in upgrading and removing packages in Ubuntu where it fails and offers a solution which does not work and the only remedy is to do a fresh install. That has never been necessary with openSUSE which before Tumbleweed has been upgraded as soon as new versions have become available. Some weeks Tumbleweed delivers thousands of package updates and still never misses a beat. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks From ralsa at openmailbox.org Wed Jul 1 20:02:27 2015 From: ralsa at openmailbox.org (Carlos A.F.) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:02:27 +0200 Subject: Amule doesn't minimize on systray Message-ID: <2987626.t99VqueuPj@anibal> Amule doesn't minimize on systray. It happens in 15.04 and 15.10 Alpha (that is, in Plasma 5). Amule has an minimize-to-tray option that worked in all the past versions of Kubuntu. It would be nice to be working well in Plasma 5. Has anyone seen this behavior with some other application? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrmazda at earthlink.net Wed Jul 1 20:09:16 2015 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 16:09:16 -0400 Subject: OK to use this NVidia card? In-Reply-To: <559431AA.2080100@barmannsbar.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5593F798.5000206@att.net> <5593F881.3000007@free.fr> <2011051.vn5PPXpXKm@localhost> <55940710.1030806@stripingthetown.com> <559411C0.8010005@earthlink.net> <559431AA.2080100@barmannsbar.com> Message-ID: <559448EC.4090404@earthlink.net> Richard Barmann composed on 2015-07-01 14:30 (UTC-0400): > Felix Miata wrote: >> hwinfo --gfxcard > dick at dick-desktop:~$ lspci | grep VGA > 01:00.0 VGAcompatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV44A [GeForce > 6200] (rev a1) Suggestions that you need a newer video card due to video trouble trying recent Kubuntu releases may mean successful use of that gfxchip with the default nouveau video driver may, to work around an unfixed upstream bug, require a special kernel cmdline option: nouveau.config=NvMSI=0 See these for technical details: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1181902 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71382 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87361 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=991806 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742404 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_6_series#GeForce_6200_AGP_.28NV44a.29_without_TurboCache As to what would be a suitable AGP gfxcard should you choose to replace yours, I've had good results from the Radeon 9000 and Radeon 7500 series widely available for cheap on eBay. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=radeon+9200+agp http://www.ebay.com/itm/291503760200 ought to be worth a try as inexpensive as it is, if it's the right form factor for your case and you're using a typical 1920x1080 or lower resolution display. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From ralsa at openmailbox.org Wed Jul 1 20:09:42 2015 From: ralsa at openmailbox.org (Carlos A.F.) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:09:42 +0200 Subject: "Special Application settings" and "Special Window Settings" from window corner fail In-Reply-To: <1991949.7TUgz8RS9F@anibal> References: <1991949.7TUgz8RS9F@anibal> Message-ID: <6535107.djPvdhVl7A@anibal> backtrace <<< Application: kdeinit5 (kdeinit5), signal: Segmentation fault Using host libthread_db library "/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1". [Current thread is 1 (Thread 0xb4084700 (LWP 9070))] Thread 2 (Thread 0xb1d30b40 (LWP 9071)): #0 0xb77c0be0 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb6a003db in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81 #2 0xb5edc3a8 in poll (__timeout=-1, __nfds=1, __fds=0xb1d3021c) at /usr/include/i386- linux-gnu/bits/poll2.h:46 #3 _xcb_conn_wait (c=c at entry=0x905fa08, cond=cond at entry=0x905fa2c, vector=vector at entry=0x0, count=count at entry=0x0) at ../../src/xcb_conn.c:447 #4 0xb5ede394 in xcb_wait_for_event (c=0x905fa08) at ../../src/xcb_in.c:622 #5 0xb1e61823 in QXcbEventReader::run (this=0x906b888) at qxcbconnection.cpp:1105 #6 0xb6b6691b in QThreadPrivate::start (arg=0x906b888) at thread/qthread_unix.cpp:337 #7 0xb5e311aa in start_thread (arg=0xb1d30b40) at pthread_create.c:333 #8 0xb6a0afde in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/clone.S:122 Thread 1 (Thread 0xb4084700 (LWP 9070)): [KCrash Handler] #7 xcb_send_request (c=c at entry=0x0, flags=flags at entry=1, vector=vector at entry=0xbfef3d50, req=req at entry=0xb5eece90 ) at ../../src/xcb_out.c:160 #8 0xb5ee2f7a in xcb_get_property (c=0x0, _delete=0 '\000', window=20971634, property=36, type=31, long_offset=0, long_length=100000) at xproto.c:3901 #9 0xb71e9f50 in NETWinInfo::update (this=0xbfef42d0, dirtyProperties=..., dirtyProperties2=...) at ../../src/netwm.cpp:4161 #10 0xb71ec54b in NETWinInfo::NETWinInfo (this=0xbfef42d0, connection=0x0, window=20971634, rootWindow=0, properties=..., properties2=..., role=NET::Client) at ../../src/netwm.cpp:2814 #11 0xb20003fc in KWin::ClientMachine::resolve (this=0xbfef43bc, window=20971634, clientLeader=0) at ../../../kcmkwin/kwinrules/../../client_machine.cpp:179 #12 0xb1fda185 in findRule (whole_app=, wid=, rules=...) at ../../../kcmkwin/kwinrules/main.cpp:77 #13 edit (whole_app=, wid=) at ../../../kcmkwin/kwinrules/main.cpp:212 #14 kdemain (argc=4, argv=0x903d758) at ../../../kcmkwin/kwinrules/main.cpp:266 #15 0x0804f6c9 in launch (argc=2, argc at entry=4, _name=0xbfef3e50 "Pq\n\t\240>\357\277\210>\357\277\001", _name at entry=0x903d09c "kwin_rules_dialog", args=0xb1fd9690 "UWVS\350\267\376\377\377\201\303g9\005", cwd=0x0, envc=0, envs=0xbfef4484 "H\237\001\267\240\330\003\thf\003\t\001\003\377\377", reset_env=false, tty=0x0, avoid_loops=false, startup_id_str=0x80530ab "0") at ../../../src/kdeinit/kinit.cpp:741 #16 0x08050fd3 in handle_launcher_request (sock=8, who=) at ../../../src/kdeinit/kinit.cpp:1180 #17 0x08051511 in handle_requests (waitForPid=2, waitForPid at entry=0) at ../../../src/kdeinit/kinit.cpp:1369 #18 0x0804bf22 in main (argc=5, argv=0xbfef4ba4) at ../../../src/kdeinit/kinit.cpp:1860 >>> On Wednesday 01 July 2015 21:44:49 Carlos A.F. wrote: When I try to use "Special Application settings" and "Special Window Settings" from the top left window corner kdeinit5 crashes (Ejecutable: kdeinit5 PID: 8858 Señal: Segmentation fault (11) Hora: 1/7/15 21:41:16) and the operations is not possible. 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In-Reply-To: <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> Message-ID: <55949F37.2040609@gmail.com> On 01/07/2015 15:20, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 07/01/2015 04:50 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> But if we only want >> stability I would perhaps use Windows XP still (it is my job to know the >> various Windows versions) as it "does the job" in most cases. > > For Windows I would pick 7 over XP. > So would I - I was just pointing to the fact that we cant live in the past forever From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 02:22:45 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 04:22:45 +0200 Subject: Amule doesn't minimize on systray In-Reply-To: <2987626.t99VqueuPj@anibal> References: <2987626.t99VqueuPj@anibal> Message-ID: <5594A075.1000207@gmail.com> On 01/07/2015 22:02, Carlos A.F. wrote: > Amule doesn't minimize on systray. It happens in 15.04 and 15.10 Alpha > (that is, in Plasma 5). Amule has an minimize-to-tray option that worked > in all the past versions of Kubuntu. It would be nice to be working well > in Plasma 5. > > > > Has anyone seen this behavior with some other application? > > > I know that systray has "issues" in Plasma5, eg Skype will not minimize either unless you add certain software - sni-qt (or lib32-sni-qt for X86_64) or something like that. For GTK apps it is something else that I can not remember From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Thu Jul 2 02:27:04 2015 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:27:04 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <55949F37.2040609@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> <55949F37.2040609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5594A178.7080308@optonline.net> On 07/01/2015 10:17 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 01/07/2015 15:20, Billie Walsh wrote: >> On 07/01/2015 04:50 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> But if we only want >>> stability I would perhaps use Windows XP still (it is my job to know the >>> various Windows versions) as it "does the job" in most cases. >> >> For Windows I would pick 7 over XP. >> > So would I - I was just pointing to the fact that we cant live in the > past forever > Windows 8.1 can be made to look like 7 if you get Classic Shell, and it is reputed to be more resistant to malware. There are a number of things that are not compatible, however. Frinstance, there is no driver for an HP Photsmart 1115 printer. I don't know what else doesn't work. 8.1 boots quite a bit faster than 7, if that makes any difference to you. FWIW, I do most of my computing in Linux. --doug From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 03:42:16 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 05:42:16 +0200 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5594A178.7080308@optonline.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> <55949F37.2040609@gmail.com> <5594A178.7080308@optonline.net> Message-ID: <5594B318.4040909@gmail.com> On 02/07/2015 04:27, Doug wrote: > > > On 07/01/2015 10:17 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 01/07/2015 15:20, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> On 07/01/2015 04:50 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> But if we only want >>>> stability I would perhaps use Windows XP still (it is my job to know >>>> the >>>> various Windows versions) as it "does the job" in most cases. >>> >>> For Windows I would pick 7 over XP. >>> >> So would I - I was just pointing to the fact that we cant live in the >> past forever >> > Windows 8.1 can be made to look like 7 if you get Classic Shell, and it > is reputed to be more resistant to malware. There are a number of things > that are not compatible, however. Frinstance, there is no driver for an > HP Photsmart 1115 printer. I don't know what else doesn't work. 8.1 boots > quite a bit faster than 7, if that makes any difference to you. > > FWIW, I do most of my computing in Linux. > > --doug > Windows 8.x is a mess... we have tried to avoid it as much as possible where I operate. Those few who for reasons of new computers are using it are as unhappy as the Vista users were in those days. I am trying out Windows 10 and it is way better. But for me it is Kubuntu that is my choice and for now I stay on 14.10 while running 15.04 in a Vbox to "keep an eye" on how it matures. From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Thu Jul 2 04:31:50 2015 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 00:31:50 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5594B318.4040909@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> <55949F37.2040609@gmail.com> <5594A178.7080308@optonline.net> <5594B318.4040909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5594BEB6.3040602@optonline.net> On 07/01/2015 11:42 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 02/07/2015 04:27, Doug wrote: /snip/ >>> >> Windows 8.1 can be made to look like 7 if you get Classic Shell, and it >> is reputed to be more resistant to malware. There are a number of things >> that are not compatible, however. Frinstance, there is no driver for an >> HP Photsmart 1115 printer. I don't know what else doesn't work. 8.1 boots >> quite a bit faster than 7, if that makes any difference to you. >> >> FWIW, I do most of my computing in Linux. >> >> --doug >> > Windows 8.x is a mess... we have tried to avoid it as much as possible > where I operate. Those few who for reasons of new computers are using it > are as unhappy as the Vista users were in those days. I am trying out > Windows 10 and it is way better. > > But for me it is Kubuntu that is my choice and for now I stay on 14.10 > while running 15.04 in a Vbox to "keep an eye" on how it matures. > > > I've heard complaints about Win 8.x, and altho I have it on one machine, I don't use Windows much at all. I do use Classic Shell, so I never see those big ugly square things. I am curious as to what makes you (and others) dislike Win 8.x so much. (And btw, I don't own, and never will, a touch-screen computer! I have tried touch screens, and I _really_ dislike them! Except for Garmin.) --doug From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 05:11:27 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 07:11:27 +0200 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5594BEB6.3040602@optonline.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> <55949F37.2040609@gmail.com> <5594A178.7080308@optonline.net> <5594B318.4040909@gmail.com> <5594BEB6.3040602@optonline.net> Message-ID: <5594C7FF.6070001@gmail.com> On 02/07/2015 06:31, Doug wrote: > > > On 07/01/2015 11:42 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 02/07/2015 04:27, Doug wrote: > /snip/ >>>> >>> Windows 8.1 can be made to look like 7 if you get Classic Shell, and it >>> is reputed to be more resistant to malware. There are a number of things >>> that are not compatible, however. Frinstance, there is no driver for an >>> HP Photsmart 1115 printer. I don't know what else doesn't work. 8.1 >>> boots >>> quite a bit faster than 7, if that makes any difference to you. >>> >>> FWIW, I do most of my computing in Linux. >>> >>> --doug >>> >> Windows 8.x is a mess... we have tried to avoid it as much as possible >> where I operate. Those few who for reasons of new computers are using it >> are as unhappy as the Vista users were in those days. I am trying out >> Windows 10 and it is way better. >> >> But for me it is Kubuntu that is my choice and for now I stay on 14.10 >> while running 15.04 in a Vbox to "keep an eye" on how it matures. >> >> >> > I've heard complaints about Win 8.x, and altho I have it on one machine, > I don't use Windows much at all. I do use Classic Shell, so I never see > those > big ugly square things. I am curious as to what makes you (and others) > dislike Win 8.x so much. (And btw, I don't own, and never will, a > touch-screen computer! I have tried touch screens, and I _really_ > dislike them! Except for Garmin.) > > --doug > Hm, this is less and less about KDE but OK here goes: users hate the lack of a traditional start menu, the extreme difficulties in finding certain settings (very well hidden). The only happy users I know do have touch screens, incidentally. Also several users have problems with wireless connections that do not happen to Windows7 users in same office and I do not think it is hardware issues but system/driver issues I could go on but for me it is just another Vista. The previews of Windows10 I have used seem like a way better compromise for traditional and touchscreen users both. From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Thu Jul 2 05:26:20 2015 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 01:26:20 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5594C7FF.6070001@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> <55949F37.2040609@gmail.com> <5594A178.7080308@optonline.net> <5594B318.4040909@gmail.com> <5594BEB6.3040602@optonline.net> <5594C7FF.6070001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5594CB7C.8020500@optonline.net> On 07/02/2015 01:11 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 02/07/2015 06:31, Doug wrote: >> I've heard complaints about Win 8.x, and altho I have it on one machine, >> I don't use Windows much at all. I do use Classic Shell, so I never see >> those >> big ugly square things. I am curious as to what makes you (and others) >> dislike Win 8.x so much. (And btw, I don't own, and never will, a >> touch-screen computer! I have tried touch screens, and I _really_ >> dislike them! Except for Garmin.) >> >> --doug >> > Hm, this is less and less about KDE but OK here goes: users hate the > lack of a traditional start menu, the extreme difficulties in finding > certain settings (very well hidden). The only happy users I know do have > touch screens, incidentally. Also several users have problems with > wireless connections that do not happen to Windows7 users in same office > and I do not think it is hardware issues but system/driver issues > > I could go on but for me it is just another Vista. The previews of > Windows10 I have used seem like a way better compromise for traditional > and touchscreen users both. > OK, let's quit this thread, but just before I go: the difficulties in finding settings in Windows x.y is one of the main reasons I use Linux! --doug From girardhenri at free.fr Thu Jul 2 06:01:48 2015 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 08:01:48 +0200 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5594CB7C.8020500@optonline.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> <55949F37.2040609@gmail.com> <5594A178.7080308@optonline.net> <5594B318.4040909@gmail.com> <5594BEB6.3040602@optonline.net> <5594C7FF.6070001@gmail.com> <5594CB7C.8020500@optonline.net> Message-ID: <5594D3CC.4040901@free.fr> I am testing w10... Not really keen on it ! Very- slow I guess it's because preview ? I have 16Go RAM and an AMD FX 8 cores. 99,999999% I use ubuntu +1 (but not in production) I don't need stability if I got a problem I can't solve I just reinstalled it ! My version is an upgrade from 14.04 LTS to 15.10. Never had problem. Le 02/07/2015 07:26, Doug a écrit : > > > On 07/02/2015 01:11 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 02/07/2015 06:31, Doug wrote: > >>> I've heard complaints about Win 8.x, and altho I have it on one >>> machine, >>> I don't use Windows much at all. I do use Classic Shell, so I never see >>> those >>> big ugly square things. I am curious as to what makes you (and others) >>> dislike Win 8.x so much. (And btw, I don't own, and never will, a >>> touch-screen computer! I have tried touch screens, and I _really_ >>> dislike them! Except for Garmin.) >>> >>> --doug >>> >> Hm, this is less and less about KDE but OK here goes: users hate the >> lack of a traditional start menu, the extreme difficulties in finding >> certain settings (very well hidden). The only happy users I know do have >> touch screens, incidentally. Also several users have problems with >> wireless connections that do not happen to Windows7 users in same office >> and I do not think it is hardware issues but system/driver issues >> >> I could go on but for me it is just another Vista. The previews of >> Windows10 I have used seem like a way better compromise for traditional >> and touchscreen users both. >> > OK, let's quit this thread, but just before I go: the difficulties in > finding settings in Windows x.y is one of the main reasons I use Linux! > > --doug > From girardhenri at free.fr Thu Jul 2 06:06:15 2015 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 08:06:15 +0200 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5594A178.7080308@optonline.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> <55949F37.2040609@gmail.com> <5594A178.7080308@optonline.net> Message-ID: <5594D4D7.1040903@free.fr> Le 02/07/2015 04:27, Doug a écrit : > > > On 07/01/2015 10:17 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 01/07/2015 15:20, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> On 07/01/2015 04:50 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> But if we only want >>>> stability I would perhaps use Windows XP still (it is my job to >>>> know the >>>> various Windows versions) as it "does the job" in most cases. >>> >>> For Windows I would pick 7 over XP. >>> >> So would I - I was just pointing to the fact that we cant live in the >> past forever >> > Windows 8.1 can be made to look like 7 if you get Classic Shell, and it > is reputed to be more resistant to malware. There are a number of things > that are not compatible, however. Frinstance, there is no driver for an > HP Photsmart 1115 printer. I don't know what else doesn't work. 8.1 boots > quite a bit faster than 7, if that makes any difference to you. > > FWIW, I do most of my computing in Linux. > > --doug > I forget the why I send my last message ! Sorry... Yesterday I installed kde 15.04 and it works fine ! I like the aero windows border. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Jul 2 11:30:58 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 06:30:58 -0500 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5594C7FF.6070001@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <5593B7F6.9080208@gmail.com> <5593E92D.2000506@swbell.net> <55949F37.2040609@gmail.com> <5594A178.7080308@optonline.net> <5594B318.4040909@gmail.com> <5594BEB6.3040602@optonline.net> <5594C7FF.6070001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <559520F2.5080007@swbell.net> On 07/02/2015 12:11 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 02/07/2015 06:31, Doug wrote: >> >> On 07/01/2015 11:42 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> On 02/07/2015 04:27, Doug wrote: >> /snip/ >>>> Windows 8.1 can be made to look like 7 if you get Classic Shell, and it >>>> is reputed to be more resistant to malware. There are a number of things >>>> that are not compatible, however. Frinstance, there is no driver for an >>>> HP Photsmart 1115 printer. I don't know what else doesn't work. 8.1 >>>> boots >>>> quite a bit faster than 7, if that makes any difference to you. >>>> >>>> FWIW, I do most of my computing in Linux. >>>> >>>> --doug >>>> >>> Windows 8.x is a mess... we have tried to avoid it as much as possible >>> where I operate. Those few who for reasons of new computers are using it >>> are as unhappy as the Vista users were in those days. I am trying out >>> Windows 10 and it is way better. >>> >>> But for me it is Kubuntu that is my choice and for now I stay on 14.10 >>> while running 15.04 in a Vbox to "keep an eye" on how it matures. >>> >>> >>> >> I've heard complaints about Win 8.x, and altho I have it on one machine, >> I don't use Windows much at all. I do use Classic Shell, so I never see >> those >> big ugly square things. I am curious as to what makes you (and others) >> dislike Win 8.x so much. (And btw, I don't own, and never will, a >> touch-screen computer! I have tried touch screens, and I _really_ >> dislike them! Except for Garmin.) >> >> --doug >> > Hm, this is less and less about KDE but OK here goes: users hate the > lack of a traditional start menu, the extreme difficulties in finding > certain settings (very well hidden). The only happy users I know do have > touch screens, incidentally. Also several users have problems with > wireless connections that do not happen to Windows7 users in same office > and I do not think it is hardware issues but system/driver issues > > I could go on but for me it is just another Vista. The previews of > Windows10 I have used seem like a way better compromise for traditional > and touchscreen users both. > Windows 8 was/is an OS for tablets and cell phones. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From tuxmario.detreb at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 12:32:34 2015 From: tuxmario.detreb at gmail.com (TuxMario DETREB) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:32:34 +0200 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <55952F62.1030506@gmail.com> Le 01/07/2015 08:10, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit : > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Felix Miata wrote: >> Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 16:03 (UTC-0500): >> >>> No critter likes "change". We all want things to remain just as they >>> are, and always have been. The change from KDE3 to KDE4 meant that I had >>> to learn to use a new piece of software. >> Some of us in older generations have learned to not fix what ain't broke, and >> would like to see some respect from naive youth causing change. KDE upstream >> has at least twice discarded invested wealth by starting from scratch in >> order to institute perceived need to change. It's learned little from the >> wisdom that history provides. > Many of the changes have come about because if there is no fix, it > will *become* broken. Hardware changes, the kernel has to adapt, and > software changes radiate out in all directions as a result. I wouldn't > cast blame on the young, either -- some of us older folks create > Kubuntu, and create KDE. > > We welcome all people of good will to help us build Kubuntu. If you > want Kubuntu to continue to grow and thrive, consider contributing. We > need people to test, to file bugs, to triage and fix those bugs, to > package, write documentation, translate and internationalize, promote > Kubuntu, plan meetings and gatherings, do artwork, and on and on. If > you have time, we need YOU. > > Valorie > Hello Valorie I like very much Kubuntu/KDE and I'm ready to help the project going forward. Do you have some tutorial explaining how to start contributing? I think I could help for : * Translation (I'm French) * Documentation * Basic testing * Etc... NB : I'm not very available until end of august but after I could find free time for this activity Regards : Mario ROGER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any/All help will be appreciated From kassube at gmx.net Sat Jul 4 07:44:02 2015 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 09:44:02 +0200 Subject: Cannot get Canon Pixma MX432 scanner program to install in Kubuntu 14.04.2 In-Reply-To: <27581412.1435977437012.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <27581412.1435977437012.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <39893880.aC94INI6mC@p5915> James R McKenzie wrote: > I can use the printer on my system but I cannot use the scanner the > control program "scangearmp" will not install when when I run the > install.sh script. I even tried to run the .deb file manually and got > an error about unmet dependences. Can you post the command you used to "run the .deb file manually" including the error message? Nils From wachin.id at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 13:38:25 2015 From: wachin.id at gmail.com (WMID) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 08:38:25 -0500 Subject: Cannot get Canon Pixma MX432 scanner program to install in Kubuntu 14.04.2 In-Reply-To: <39893880.aC94INI6mC@p5915> References: <27581412.1435977437012.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <39893880.aC94INI6mC@p5915> Message-ID: I find some on: How To: Install Canon PIXMA MX870 drivers on i368 and 64bit ubuntu http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475336 Can you send some images of the terminal or deb files that your have. Send your printer model 2015-07-04 2:44 GMT-05:00 Nils Kassube : > James R McKenzie wrote: > > I can use the printer on my system but I cannot use the scanner the > > control program "scangearmp" will not install when when I run the > > install.sh script. I even tried to run the .deb file manually and got > > an error about unmet dependences. > > Can you post the command you used to "run the .deb file manually" > including the error message? > > > Nils > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ingeniero en Alimentos Washington Indacochea Delgado -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jul 4 22:09:17 2015 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 18:09:17 -0400 Subject: Cannot get Canon Pixma MX432 scanner program to install in Kubuntu 14.04.2 In-Reply-To: <39893880.aC94INI6mC@p5915> References: <27581412.1435977437012.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <39893880.aC94INI6mC@p5915> Message-ID: <5598598D.7020707@cfl.rr.com> On 07/04/2015 03:44 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > James R McKenzie wrote: >> I can use the printer on my system but I cannot use the scanner the >> control program "scangearmp" will not install when when I run the >> install.sh script. I even tried to run the .deb file manually and got >> an error about unmet dependences. > > Can you post the command you used to "run the .deb file manually" > including the error message? > > > Nils > > I have found that when a .deb install fails because of unmet dependencies, that just going to a console and typing: sudo apt-get -f install will clear up the dependencies, or, give information on the missing dependencies so you can load them yourself. You have to read the output of apt-get carefully. Good luck! Tom -- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" .- Edmund Burke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cbell44.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 149 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jimmckenzie at earthlink.net Sun Jul 5 06:38:01 2015 From: jimmckenzie at earthlink.net (James R McKenzie) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 02:38:01 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 126, Issue 8 Message-ID: <19380418.1436078281683.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com >Sent: Jul 4, 2015 8:00 AM >To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 126, Issue 8 > >Send kubuntu-users mailing list submissions to > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of kubuntu-users digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Cannot get Canon Pixma MX432 scanner program to install in > Kubuntu 14.04.2 (James R McKenzie) > 2. Re: Cannot get Canon Pixma MX432 scanner program to install > in Kubuntu 14.04.2 (Nils Kassube) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:37:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00) >From: James R McKenzie >To: "kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com " >Subject: Cannot get Canon Pixma MX432 scanner program to install in > Kubuntu 14.04.2 >Message-ID: > <27581412.1435977437012.JavaMail.root at elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >I can use the printer on my system but I cannot use the scanner the control program "scangearmp" will not install when when I run the install.sh script. I even tried to run the .deb file manually and got an error about unmet dependences. Does anyone have any recent information on how to get this thing to work? maybe newer drivers? > >Any/All help will be appreciated > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 09:44:02 +0200 >From: Nils Kassube >To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >Subject: Re: Cannot get Canon Pixma MX432 scanner program to install > in Kubuntu 14.04.2 >Message-ID: <39893880.aC94INI6mC at p5915> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >James R McKenzie wrote: >> I can use the printer on my system but I cannot use the scanner the >> control program "scangearmp" will not install when when I run the >> install.sh script. I even tried to run the .deb file manually and got >> an error about unmet dependences. > >Can you post the command you used to "run the .deb file manually" >including the error message? > > >Nils > > > > >------------------------------ > >-- >kubuntu-users mailing list >kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > >End of kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 126, Issue 8 >********************************************* The name of the package that won't install is cnijfilter-mx430series-3.70-1-deb/packages/cnijfilter-mx430series_3.70-1_amd64.deb the only message I get just says it can't be installed. I'm using QAPT to install it. It doesn't offer any background information as to why. I don't know what else I can add to this. When I ran the install.sh file it didn't offer any great volume of information either. Basically I'm asking is there a newer package that might be more compatible with the newer Kubuntu systems? If so where can I download them and how do I install them? My success with install.sh files is 98% failure 2% I have no idea why it worked. I prefer .deb files for that very reason. Nothing requiring shell scripts at all. I am not a programmer nor am I willing to become one. At All. From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jul 5 11:20:48 2015 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 07:20:48 -0400 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 126, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <19380418.1436078281683.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19380418.1436078281683.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <55991310.4040805@cfl.rr.com> On 07/05/2015 02:38 AM, James R McKenzie wrote: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com >> Sent: Jul 4, 2015 8:00 AM * * * Snip! * * * >> >> James R McKenzie wrote: >>> I can use the printer on my system but I cannot use the scanner the >>> control program "scangearmp" will not install when when I run the >>> install.sh script. I even tried to run the .deb file manually and got >>> an error about unmet dependences. >> >> Can you post the command you used to "run the .deb file manually" >> including the error message? >> >> >> Nils >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> End of kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 126, Issue 8 >> ********************************************* > > > The name of the package that won't install is cnijfilter-mx430series-3.70-1-deb/packages/cnijfilter-mx430series_3.70-1_amd64.deb the only message I get just says it can't be installed. I'm using QAPT to install it. It doesn't offer any background information as to why. I don't know what else I can add to this. When I ran the install.sh file it didn't offer any great volume of information either. Basically I'm asking is there a newer package that might be more compatible with the newer Kubuntu systems? If so where can I download them and how do I install them? My success with install.sh files is 98% failure 2% I have no idea why it worked. I prefer .deb files for that very reason. Nothing requiring shell scripts at all. I am not a programmer nor am I willing to become one. At All. > I am curious as to why you don't use dpkg. dpkg is the package manager for .deb files and you can run it from the commandline in a console like so, dpkg -i cnijfilter-mx430series_3.70-1_amd64.deb it should install the files appropriately and usually gives a list of any unmet dependencies, when needed. After that by typing: sudo apt-get -f install the dependencies should be met if possible and it will tell you if they have been replaced or deprecated (no longer in use). Give that a try and see what you get. Tom -- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" .- Edmund Burke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cbell44.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 149 bytes Desc: not available URL: From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 07:13:24 2015 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 00:13:24 -0700 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <55952F62.1030506@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <55952F62.1030506@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:32 AM, TuxMario DETREB wrote: > > Le 01/07/2015 08:10, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit : > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 16:03 (UTC-0500): > > No critter likes "change". We all want things to remain just as they > are, and always have been. The change from KDE3 to KDE4 meant that I had > to learn to use a new piece of software. > > Some of us in older generations have learned to not fix what ain't broke, > and > would like to see some respect from naive youth causing change. KDE upstream > has at least twice discarded invested wealth by starting from scratch in > order to institute perceived need to change. It's learned little from the > wisdom that history provides. > > Many of the changes have come about because if there is no fix, it > will *become* broken. Hardware changes, the kernel has to adapt, and > software changes radiate out in all directions as a result. I wouldn't > cast blame on the young, either -- some of us older folks create > Kubuntu, and create KDE. > > We welcome all people of good will to help us build Kubuntu. If you > want Kubuntu to continue to grow and thrive, consider contributing. We > need people to test, to file bugs, to triage and fix those bugs, to > package, write documentation, translate and internationalize, promote > Kubuntu, plan meetings and gatherings, do artwork, and on and on. If > you have time, we need YOU. > > Valorie > > Hello Valorie > > I like very much Kubuntu/KDE and I'm ready to help the project going > forward. > Do you have some tutorial explaining how to start contributing? > I think I could help for : > > Translation (I'm French) > Documentation > Basic testing > Etc... > > NB : I'm not very available until end of august but after I could find free > time for this activity > > Regards : Mario ROGER Hi Mario, what a lovely offer. Summer is indeed a chancy time for both developers and new volunteers. People are traveling or just away from their computers. Two things will help: if you can use IRC, please join #kubuntu-devel on Freenode, introduce yourself, and hang out there as much as possible. The more you read there, the more you see how we work together. Whether or not you use irc, please join the Kubuntu-devel list, and again, introduce yourself and what you might be interested in doing. Translations are always needed, although localization and internationalization for the software are done by either the KDE translation team or the Ubuntu translators for the most part. We do have a bit of our own software, and our documentation and important pages of our website that need translators. Documentation always needs fresh eyes, to check that text and screenshots are correct, and written as simply and accurately as possible. Every new Kubuntu and KDE release we need testing, of course. Ask to join the testing team, and you'll be added to the IRC "call for testers" which will ping you when something new comes up. And last, but certainly not least, we always need packagers. The more people learn packaging, the lighter the burden and faster we can get new stuff out to our users. To sum up: join #kubuntu-devel, and https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel and speak up! All the best, Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 02:13:06 2015 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:13:06 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <55952F62.1030506@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey all! I'm part of the Kubuntu Manual Team (Documentation) and We could always use some more eyes for checking links, typos, ideas and grammar errors like Valorie said :) Check out the current Manual here: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Valorie Zimmerman < valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:32 AM, TuxMario DETREB > wrote: > > > > Le 01/07/2015 08:10, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit : > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Felix Miata > wrote: > > > > Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 16:03 (UTC-0500): > > > > No critter likes "change". We all want things to remain just as they > > are, and always have been. The change from KDE3 to KDE4 meant that I had > > to learn to use a new piece of software. > > > > Some of us in older generations have learned to not fix what ain't broke, > > and > > would like to see some respect from naive youth causing change. KDE > upstream > > has at least twice discarded invested wealth by starting from scratch in > > order to institute perceived need to change. It's learned little from the > > wisdom that history provides. > > > > Many of the changes have come about because if there is no fix, it > > will *become* broken. Hardware changes, the kernel has to adapt, and > > software changes radiate out in all directions as a result. I wouldn't > > cast blame on the young, either -- some of us older folks create > > Kubuntu, and create KDE. > > > > We welcome all people of good will to help us build Kubuntu. If you > > want Kubuntu to continue to grow and thrive, consider contributing. We > > need people to test, to file bugs, to triage and fix those bugs, to > > package, write documentation, translate and internationalize, promote > > Kubuntu, plan meetings and gatherings, do artwork, and on and on. If > > you have time, we need YOU. > > > > Valorie > > > > Hello Valorie > > > > I like very much Kubuntu/KDE and I'm ready to help the project going > > forward. > > Do you have some tutorial explaining how to start contributing? > > I think I could help for : > > > > Translation (I'm French) > > Documentation > > Basic testing > > Etc... > > > > NB : I'm not very available until end of august but after I could find > free > > time for this activity > > > > Regards : Mario ROGER > > Hi Mario, what a lovely offer. Summer is indeed a chancy time for both > developers and new volunteers. People are traveling or just away from > their computers. > > Two things will help: if you can use IRC, please join #kubuntu-devel > on Freenode, introduce yourself, and hang out there as much as > possible. The more you read there, the more you see how we work > together. > > Whether or not you use irc, please join the Kubuntu-devel list, and > again, introduce yourself and what you might be interested in doing. > Translations are always needed, although localization and > internationalization for the software are done by either the KDE > translation team or the Ubuntu translators for the most part. > > We do have a bit of our own software, and our documentation and > important pages of our website that need translators. Documentation > always needs fresh eyes, to check that text and screenshots are > correct, and written as simply and accurately as possible. > > Every new Kubuntu and KDE release we need testing, of course. Ask to > join the testing team, and you'll be added to the IRC "call for > testers" which will ping you when something new comes up. > > And last, but certainly not least, we always need packagers. The more > people learn packaging, the lighter the burden and faster we can get > new stuff out to our users. > > To sum up: join #kubuntu-devel, and > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel and speak up! > > All the best, > > Valorie > > -- > http://about.me/valoriez > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brentonhorne77 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 07:20:55 2015 From: brentonhorne77 at gmail.com (Brenton Horne) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:20:55 +1000 Subject: Invisible application launchers icons in 15.04 Message-ID: <55A609D7.3000705@gmail.com> Hi, I have 32 bit Ubuntu 15.04, with Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu and almost every available desktop environment installed on my Dell Vostro laptop (further details about my system may be found here ). The problem is that some application launchers (i.e., .desktop files pinned to the KDE Panel/Menu) are not displaying the icon specified in their `Icon=` line, even though in all other desktop environments they are. Most of the desktop configuration files encountering this problem are self-made but some aren't (e.g., the Avogadro and RuneScape Unix Client launchers aren't displaying their icons either). I also asked this question on AskUbuntu (I recommend viewing this link as it also includes a screenshot that illustrates the problem too) three days ago with no reply so far. My theme and everything (except my icon theme which is elementary-Xfce, but I have tried the default icon theme and other icon themes like Faenza with no change in this issue) are set to defaults. Thanks for your time, Brenton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From etriaph at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 08:17:13 2015 From: etriaph at gmail.com (R.P. Charbonneau) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 04:17:13 -0400 Subject: Invisible application launchers icons in 15.04 In-Reply-To: <55A609D7.3000705@gmail.com> References: <55A609D7.3000705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26128086.CAYtyanNE3@hut> As someone who's used each of the packaged icon sets for Kubuntu as well as icon sets I've downloaded via opendesktop.org sources, there's three things you should know before embarking on this journey of "Why is this icon not appearing for me the way I expect it to?" 1. The applications in your system menu live in: - /usr/share/applications/ - ~/.local/share/applications You can specify the icon for the application in the .desktop files found there, but it must be an application that the icon set you are using has a version of; I've never tried to specify an absolute path to a file, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. If your icon set doesn't have an icon, I believe it defaults to the lowest common denominator (application has its own, default icon set 'Breeze' has one for it) but I don't know about their precedence, if any. 2. Any time one of your applications is updated via Muon, the .desktop file will be overwritten in /usr/share/applications (I change the icon back to what my set supports for google-chrome to chromium all the time.) ~/.local/share/applications would not be overwritten unless the application that was updated performs an update on its own. 3. I use Docky on my desktop and it obeys the GTK+ icon set and not what KDE sets as the icon set. It may be that one environment doesn't play as nicely with the others settings. Until all desktop environments can come to agree on a scheme for icons, this is likely to continue being a perplexing problem for end users. On July 15, 2015 05:20:55 PM Brenton Horne wrote: > Hi, > > I have 32 bit Ubuntu 15.04, with Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu and almost > every available desktop environment installed on my Dell Vostro laptop > (further details about my system may be found here > ). The problem is that some application > launchers (i.e., .desktop files pinned to the KDE Panel/Menu) are not > displaying the icon specified in their `Icon=` line, even though in all > other desktop environments they are. Most of the desktop configuration > files encountering this problem are self-made but some aren't (e.g., the > Avogadro and RuneScape Unix Client launchers aren't displaying their > icons either). I also asked this question on AskUbuntu > > (I recommend viewing this link as it also includes a screenshot that > illustrates the problem too) three days ago with no reply so far. My > theme and everything (except my icon theme which is elementary-Xfce, but > I have tried the default icon theme and other icon themes like Faenza > with no change in this issue) are set to defaults. > > Thanks for your time, > Brenton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 10:21:23 2015 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (A. Mani) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:51:23 +0530 Subject: Some Good News! Message-ID: https://www.fsf.org/news/canonical-updated-licensing-terms Best A. Mani Prof(Miss) A. Mani CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/ http://about.me/logicamani sip:girlprofessor at ekiga.net From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 15:12:51 2015 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:12:51 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? Message-ID: Hello Everybody, ever since a few days, the Firefox plug in 'Adobe Flash Player' is causing problems. When visiting Facebook or any other website with video content, I get information like this: *'Firefox has prevented the unsafe plugin 'Adobe Flash' from running on www.facebook.com .'* When clicking for more info, I arrive at this page: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ A page from where it is apparently possible to download a newer? version of this plug-in. However, I prefer to use some flash package from one of the regular repositories. At that page, Adobe writes the following: *'(...) Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.(...)'.* To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his flash player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that continues to be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative with a similar functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash Player? Respectfully yours, Bas G. Roufs. -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Thu Jul 16 15:51:57 2015 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey (grokit)) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:51:57 -0400 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1714100.ut3Yrz3DLx@kirk> The reason it is blocked is because there are zero day exploits being used in the wild. Look up "Hacking Team hacked" for more information. The only alternative is HTML5 video. Some sites use it, like Youtube, but not all. Basically you're stuck with flash if you visit sites that use it. Alan On Thursday, July 16, 2015 5:12:51 PM Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Everybody, > > > ever since a few days, the Firefox plug in 'Adobe Flash Player' is causing > problems. When visiting Facebook or any other website with video content, I > get information like this: > > > *'Firefox has prevented the unsafe plugin 'Adobe Flash' from running on > www.facebook.com .'* > When clicking for more info, I arrive at this page: > https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ > > A page from where it is apparently possible to download a newer? version of > this plug-in. However, I prefer to use some flash package from one of the > regular repositories. > > At that page, Adobe writes the following: > > *'(...) Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as > a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to > Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.(...)'.* > > To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his flash > player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that continues to > be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative with a similar > functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash Player? > > Respectfully yours, > Bas G. Roufs. > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 16:00:23 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:00:23 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150716180023.69e28054@archlinux> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:12:51 +0200, Bas Roufs wrote: >To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his >flash player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that >continues to be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative >with a similar functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash >Player? You could try Chromium and assumed it shouldn't work, then try Chrome. https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome However, think twice, if "Block reported..." options are enabled and you're using a default about:config, then Firefox already phones too much home. Why isn't HTML5 not good enough for Facebook? Consider not to continue using Facebook and similar crap. It might be that even Chrome won't work, if so, then you could try to run something using wine or a virtual machine. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/14/facebook-end-adobe-flash-firefox-blocks-hacking Regards, Ralf From jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 17:06:39 2015 From: jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com (Jesse Palser) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:06:39 -0400 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <1714100.ut3Yrz3DLx@kirk> References: <1714100.ut3Yrz3DLx@kirk> Message-ID: <55A7E49F.4030605@GMail.com> Try Google Chrome http://www.google.com/chrome On 7/16/2015 11:51 AM, Alan Dacey (grokit) wrote: > > The reason it is blocked is because there are zero day exploits being > used in the wild. Look up "Hacking Team hacked" for more information. > > The only alternative is HTML5 video. Some sites use it, like Youtube, > but not all. > > Basically you're stuck with flash if you visit sites that use it. > > Alan > > On Thursday, July 16, 2015 5:12:51 PM Bas Roufs wrote: > > > Hello Everybody, > > > > > > > > > ever since a few days, the Firefox plug in 'Adobe Flash Player' is > causing > > > problems. When visiting Facebook or any other website with video > content, I > > > get information like this: > > > > > > > > > *'Firefox has prevented the unsafe plugin 'Adobe Flash' from running on > > > www.facebook.com .'* > > > When clicking for more info, I arrive at this page: > > > https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ > > > > > > A page from where it is apparently possible to download a newer? > version of > > > this plug-in. However, I prefer to use some flash package from one > of the > > > regular repositories. > > > > > > At that page, Adobe writes the following: > > > > > > *'(...) Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target > Linux as > > > a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security > backports to > > > Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.(...)'.* > > > > > > To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his > flash > > > player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that > continues to > > > be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative with a similar > > > functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash Player? > > > > > > Respectfully yours, > > > Bas G. Roufs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 18:32:47 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:32:47 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55A7F8CF.8050300@gmail.com> On 16/07/2015 17:12, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Everybody, > > > ever since a few days, the Firefox plug in 'Adobe Flash Player' is > causing problems. When visiting Facebook or any other website with video > content, I get information like this: > > /'Firefox has prevented the unsafe plugin 'Adobe Flash' from running on > www.facebook.com .' > / > When clicking for more info, I arrive at this page: > https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ > > A page from where it is apparently possible to download a newer? version > of this plug-in. However, I prefer to use some flash package from one of > the regular repositories. > > At that page, Adobe writes the following: > > /'(...) Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux > as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security > backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.(...)'./ > > To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his > flash player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that > continues to be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative > with a similar functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash Player? > Mozilla has decided to block Flash by default but you should still be able to use after disabling some warning messages if you so wish. What Kubuntu version are you using? As for using Chrome with the "pepperflash" plugin instead I dont think that is much better when it comes to the security loopholes mentioned by others. kind regards Sinclair From rjlapham at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 18:33:34 2015 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:33:34 -0400 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6417491.nWsipoPL3k@jerry-hp2> On Thursday, July 16, 2015 05:12:51 PM Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Everybody, > > > ever since a few days, the Firefox plug in 'Adobe Flash Player' is causing > problems. When visiting Facebook or any other website with video content, I > get information like this: > > > *'Firefox has prevented the unsafe plugin 'Adobe Flash' from running on > www.facebook.com .'* > When clicking for more info, I arrive at this page: > https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ > > A page from where it is apparently possible to download a newer? version of > this plug-in. However, I prefer to use some flash package from one of the > regular repositories. > > At that page, Adobe writes the following: > > *'(...) Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as > a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to > Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.(...)'.* > > To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his flash > player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that continues to > be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative with a similar > functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash Player? > > Respectfully yours, > Bas G. Roufs. I just got an automatic update today for Adobe Flash Player plug-in for Kubuntu 14.04 LTS. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Walk to Emmaus: Fueling station for a spirit-filled church From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 18:46:20 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:46:20 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> On 16/07/2015 17:12, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Everybody, > > > ever since a few days, the Firefox plug in 'Adobe Flash Player' is > causing problems. When visiting Facebook or any other website with video > content, I get information like this: > > /'Firefox has prevented the unsafe plugin 'Adobe Flash' from running on > www.facebook.com .' > / > When clicking for more info, I arrive at this page: > https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ > > A page from where it is apparently possible to download a newer? version > of this plug-in. However, I prefer to use some flash package from one of > the regular repositories. > > At that page, Adobe writes the following: > > /'(...) Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux > as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security > backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.(...)'./ > > To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his > flash player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that > continues to be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative > with a similar functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash Player? > Btw the only alternative I know of is Gnash (Gnu Flash Player) but I have never used it myself and have no idea of how good/bad it is From buzzmandt at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 18:52:24 2015 From: buzzmandt at gmail.com (Dale Trombley) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:52:24 -0400 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> References: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> Message-ID: For what it's worth chrome works just fine and dandy On Jul 16, 2015 2:46 PM, "O. Sinclair" wrote: > On 16/07/2015 17:12, Bas Roufs wrote: > > Hello Everybody, > > > > > > ever since a few days, the Firefox plug in 'Adobe Flash Player' is > > causing problems. When visiting Facebook or any other website with video > > content, I get information like this: > > > > /'Firefox has prevented the unsafe plugin 'Adobe Flash' from running on > > www.facebook.com .' > > / > > When clicking for more info, I arrive at this page: > > https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ > > > > A page from where it is apparently possible to download a newer? version > > of this plug-in. However, I prefer to use some flash package from one of > > the regular repositories. > > > > At that page, Adobe writes the following: > > > > /'(...) Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux > > as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security > > backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.(...)'./ > > > > To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his > > flash player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that > > continues to be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative > > with a similar functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash > Player? > > > > Btw the only alternative I know of is Gnash (Gnu Flash Player) but I > have never used it myself and have no idea of how good/bad it is > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cskumaresan at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 19:06:08 2015 From: cskumaresan at gmail.com (Kumaresan.C.S) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 00:36:08 +0530 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> References: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> Message-ID: We are committed to protecting our users from security risks. That's why – following an Adobe alert about critical vulnerabilities – we temporarily blocked #Flash in Firefox. :- Mozilla Firefox Team http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33520935 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:16 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 16/07/2015 17:12, Bas Roufs wrote: > > Hello Everybody, > > > > > > ever since a few days, the Firefox plug in 'Adobe Flash Player' is > > causing problems. When visiting Facebook or any other website with video > > content, I get information like this: > > > > /'Firefox has prevented the unsafe plugin 'Adobe Flash' from running on > > www.facebook.com .' > > / > > When clicking for more info, I arrive at this page: > > https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ > > > > A page from where it is apparently possible to download a newer? version > > of this plug-in. However, I prefer to use some flash package from one of > > the regular repositories. > > > > At that page, Adobe writes the following: > > > > /'(...) Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux > > as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security > > backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.(...)'./ > > > > To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his > > flash player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that > > continues to be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative > > with a similar functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash > Player? > > > > Btw the only alternative I know of is Gnash (Gnu Flash Player) but I > have never used it myself and have no idea of how good/bad it is > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Regards Kumaresan C.S Mozilla Representative | Kerala,India Mozilla WebMaker Super Mentor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 19:06:09 2015 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:06:09 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> References: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <10123062.nbfg5t9l4M@viaconsensus-camino> Hello Everybody. Thanks for all the feedback so far. I am working at Kubuntu 14.04 LTS. Also I have received today a Flash Player update; however, even after restarting the system, Firefox keeps blocking this plug-in by default - so, for the time being, I keep giving one time permissions to see video content I want to see. So, I am not sure whether this update contains the security patch which is needed to deal with the vulnerability problem of this plug in. Indeed - as someone said at this forum: as far as I understand, the problem is some vulnerability problem from Adobe Flash Player - a problem which comes back in any browser and system. However, for WIndows users, this problem might be far more dangerous. Yours. Bas G. Roufs. -- ======================================== Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, EU. E.: bas at basroufs.eu, M./SMS: +31 6 446 835 10. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.cain.25 at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 19:16:18 2015 From: james.cain.25 at gmail.com (James Cain) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:16:18 -0400 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <10123062.nbfg5t9l4M@viaconsensus-camino> References: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> <10123062.nbfg5t9l4M@viaconsensus-camino> Message-ID: For reference: Wired Magazine - Flash.Must.Die. On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Bas G. Roufs wrote: > Hello Everybody. > > > > Thanks for all the feedback so far. I am working at Kubuntu 14.04 LTS. > Also I have received today a Flash Player update; however, even after > restarting the system, Firefox keeps blocking this plug-in by default - so, > for the time being, I keep giving one time permissions to see video content > I want to see. > > So, I am not sure whether this update contains the security patch which is > needed to deal with the vulnerability problem of this plug in. > > > > Indeed - as someone said at this forum: as far as I understand, the > problem is some vulnerability problem from Adobe Flash Player - a problem > which comes back in any browser and system. However, for WIndows users, > this problem might be far more dangerous. > > > > Yours. > > > > Bas G. Roufs. > > > > > > > > -- > > ======================================== > > > > Bas G. Roufs > > Utrecht, NL, EU. > > E.: bas at basroufs.eu, M./SMS: +31 6 446 835 10. > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrmazda at earthlink.net Thu Jul 16 19:42:28 2015 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:42:28 -0400 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <55A7F8CF.8050300@gmail.com> References: <55A7F8CF.8050300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55A80924.4040305@earthlink.net> O. Sinclair composed on 2015-07-16 20:32 (UTC+0200): > Mozilla has decided to block Flash... It didn't last: http://www.rt.com/usa/273925-firefox-blocks-adobe-flash/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 20:17:48 2015 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:17:48 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <55A80924.4040305@earthlink.net> References: <55A7F8CF.8050300@gmail.com> <55A80924.4040305@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2147616.cCTgLftM9n@viaconsensus-camino> Hello Everybody. After going through the useful links in this tread, I have decided to disable Adobe Flash Player for the time being. Yours. Bas G. Roufs.-- ======================================== Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, EU. E.: bas at basroufs.eu, M./SMS: +31 6 446 835 10. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlapham at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 20:34:13 2015 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 16:34:13 -0400 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <2147616.cCTgLftM9n@viaconsensus-camino> References: <55A80924.4040305@earthlink.net> <2147616.cCTgLftM9n@viaconsensus-camino> Message-ID: <17527344.JXyc5524DN@jerry-hp2> On Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:17:48 PM Bas G. Roufs wrote: > Hello Everybody. > > After going through the useful links in this tread, I have decided to > disable Adobe Flash Player for the time being. After installing today's update for 14.04 LTS, Firefox no longer gives me the warning when I encounter a Flash Player video. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Virtuoso: someone who plays pieces of music of little artistic merit faster and louder than anyone else. From steve at rileyz.net Thu Jul 16 20:59:01 2015 From: steve at rileyz.net (Steve Riley) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:59:01 -0700 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <20150716180023.69e28054@archlinux> References: <20150716180023.69e28054@archlinux> Message-ID: <30578041.oi686lO06d@x250> On 2015-07-16 at 18:00:23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > you're using a default about:config, then Firefox already phones too > much home. Tell us some more? ...Steve From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 21:31:46 2015 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 23:31:46 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <17527344.JXyc5524DN@jerry-hp2> References: <2147616.cCTgLftM9n@viaconsensus-camino> <17527344.JXyc5524DN@jerry-hp2> Message-ID: <2971902.EcA3tbFfCU@viaconsensus-camino> Hello Jerry and everybody. > After installing today's update for 14.04 LTS, Firefox no longer gives me > the warning when I encounter a Flash Player video. After reading this phrase, I again updated my 14.04 LTS system. You are right, Jerry - Firefox no longer gives this warning. However, I am still a bit wary. That's why, I changed the plugin manager in Firefox from 'never activate' to 'ask to activate' instead of 'always activate'. In other words: whenever I'll encounter some flash player video, I will decide whether or not to look it via this plug-in. Yours. Bas G. Roufs. ======================================== Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, EU. E.: bas at basroufs.eu, M./SMS: +31 6 446 835 10. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 22:21:33 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 00:21:33 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <30578041.oi686lO06d@x250> References: <20150716180023.69e28054@archlinux> <30578041.oi686lO06d@x250> Message-ID: <20150717002133.475387ac@archlinux> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:06:09 +0200, Bas G. Roufs wrote: >However, for WIndows users, this problem might be far more dangerous. Why should it be more dangerous for Windows users? Btw. organisations such as the NSA don't need exploits, they already benefit from the bloated code of browsers such as Firefox. On my machine I need around 1½ hours to compile a kernel with a default Ubuntu configuration and around 3½ hours to compile a default Firefox from upstream. Compiling a lot of other complex applications often takes less than 60 seconds. On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:59:01 -0700, Steve Riley wrote: >On 2015-07-16 at 18:00:23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> you're using a default about:config, then Firefox already phones too >> much home. > >Tell us some more? Read those threads and all follow-ups: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2015-July/006500.html https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039512.html From accessys at smart.net Fri Jul 17 02:32:44 2015 From: accessys at smart.net (accessys at smart.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: References: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> Message-ID: how "Temporarily" is temporarialy Bob On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Kumaresan.C.S wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 00:36:08 +0530 > From: Kumaresan.C.S > Reply-To: Kubuntu user technical support > To: Kubuntu user technical support > Subject: Re: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? > > We are committed to protecting our users from security risks. That's why – > following an Adobe alert about critical vulnerabilities – we temporarily > blocked #Flash in Firefox. :- Mozilla Firefox Team > > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33520935 > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:16 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> On 16/07/2015 17:12, Bas Roufs wrote: >>> Hello Everybody, >>> >>> >>> ever since a few days, the Firefox plug in 'Adobe Flash Player' is >>> causing problems. When visiting Facebook or any other website with video >>> content, I get information like this: >>> >>> /'Firefox has prevented the unsafe plugin 'Adobe Flash' from running on >>> www.facebook.com .' >>> / >>> When clicking for more info, I arrive at this page: >>> https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ >>> >>> A page from where it is apparently possible to download a newer? version >>> of this plug-in. However, I prefer to use some flash package from one of >>> the regular repositories. >>> >>> At that page, Adobe writes the following: >>> >>> /'(...) Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux >>> as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security >>> backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.(...)'./ >>> >>> To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his >>> flash player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that >>> continues to be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative >>> with a similar functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash >> Player? >>> >> >> Btw the only alternative I know of is Gnash (Gnu Flash Player) but I >> have never used it myself and have no idea of how good/bad it is >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > Regards > Kumaresan C.S > Mozilla Representative | Kerala,India > > Mozilla WebMaker Super Mentor > From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 05:55:09 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:55:09 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: References: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20150717075509.550b84fc@archlinux> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:32:44 -0400 (EDT), accessys at smart.net wrote: >how "Temporarily" is temporarialy As from 2017 "temporarily" will be eternity. "Note about the future of flash on linux: In Feb 2012, Adobe announced that it is discontinuing its Flash Player for Linux as a standalone download as of version 11.2. Adobe will continue to provide security updates to the standalone Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for five years after its release (presumably 2017). Newer versions will only be available as part of Google Chrome browser. There are some open source alternatives. Read more at the links at bottom of this page." - http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Flash From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Jul 17 12:49:01 2015 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:49:01 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <20150717002133.475387ac@archlinux> References: <20150716180023.69e28054@archlinux> <30578041.oi686lO06d@x250> <20150717002133.475387ac@archlinux> Message-ID: Hi all, On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:06:09 +0200, Bas G. Roufs wrote: >>However, for WIndows users, this problem might be far more dangerous. > > Why should it be more dangerous for Windows users? > For the very obvious reason that a 0-day exploit is inherently more dangerous on a less secure system, and Windows is by design less secure compared to the *nix-based systems like Mac OS or Linux. 0-day exploits can very very diverse, and the most obvious risk is getting malware through such an exploit. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From wachin.id at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 13:06:54 2015 From: wachin.id at gmail.com (WMID) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:06:54 -0500 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <20150717075509.550b84fc@archlinux> References: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> <20150717075509.550b84fc@archlinux> Message-ID: I solved this installing : Fresh Player Plugin Gets Hardware Accelerated Video Decoding Via VA-API And VDPAU ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog http://www.webupd8.org/2015/06/fresh-player-plugin-gets-hardware.html 2015-07-17 0:55 GMT-05:00 Ralf Mardorf : > On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:32:44 -0400 (EDT), accessys at smart.net wrote: > >how "Temporarily" is temporarialy > > As from 2017 "temporarily" will be eternity. > > "Note about the future of flash on linux: In Feb 2012, Adobe announced > that it is discontinuing its Flash Player for Linux as a standalone > download as of version 11.2. Adobe will continue to provide security > updates to the standalone Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for five years > after its release (presumably 2017). Newer versions will only be > available as part of Google Chrome browser. There are some open source > alternatives. Read more at the links at bottom of this page." - > http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Flash > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Ingeniero en Alimentos Washington Indacochea Delgado -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 16:13:28 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:13:28 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: References: <20150716180023.69e28054@archlinux> <30578041.oi686lO06d@x250> <20150717002133.475387ac@archlinux> Message-ID: <20150717181328.0818d93d@archlinux> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:49:01 +0200, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >For the very obvious reason that a 0-day exploit is inherently more >dangerous on a less secure system, and Windows is by design less >secure compared to the *nix-based systems like Mac OS or Linux. 0-day >exploits can very very diverse, and the most obvious risk is getting >malware through such an exploit. The main issue with bloated browsers and crappy extensions such as the one from Adobe is unrelated to the operating system. Most people already offend their own privacy by simply typing something into e.g. a Google search, already without confirming the search by pressing the enter key. They should start Firefox with e.g. Google, then launch Wireshark. As soon as Wireshark hopefully only displays "Keep-Alive", they should type and watch what Wireshark shows. As soon as very risky extensions are used or very risky features provided by a web browser and/or add-ons, the operating system isn't much involved. The risk is more on a level compared to the risk of a phishing website. I guess everybody understands that it doesn't matter what operating system is used, when sending your banking password to a phishing website. This is similar for a lot of security and privacy issues caused by web browsers and their extensions. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 06:45:21 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 08:45:21 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: References: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> <20150717075509.550b84fc@archlinux> Message-ID: <55A9F601.2050005@gmail.com> On 17/07/2015 15:06, WMID wrote: > I solved this installing : > > Fresh Player Plugin Gets Hardware Accelerated Video Decoding Via VA-API > And VDPAU ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog > http://www.webupd8.org/2015/06/fresh-player-plugin-gets-hardware.html > > 2015-07-17 0:55 GMT-05:00 Ralf Mardorf >: > > On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:32:44 -0400 (EDT), accessys at smart.net > wrote: > >how "Temporarily" is temporarialy > > As from 2017 "temporarily" will be eternity. > > "Note about the future of flash on linux: In Feb 2012, Adobe announced > that it is discontinuing its Flash Player for Linux as a standalone > download as of version 11.2. Adobe will continue to provide security > updates to the standalone Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for five years > after its release (presumably 2017). Newer versions will only be > available as part of Google Chrome browser. There are some open source > alternatives. Read more at the links at bottom of this page." - > http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Flash > Thanks for the link! After much experimenting I managed, had to install Chrome instead of Chromium though. That does not bother me too much, am not a "gnu fanatic". I tried various links of how to get it to work w/o Chrome but failed all of them. Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 06:54:07 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 08:54:07 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <55A9F601.2050005@gmail.com> References: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> <20150717075509.550b84fc@archlinux> <55A9F601.2050005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55A9F80F.1090409@gmail.com> On 18/07/2015 08:45, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 17/07/2015 15:06, WMID wrote: >> I solved this installing : >> >> Fresh Player Plugin Gets Hardware Accelerated Video Decoding Via VA-API >> And VDPAU ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog >> http://www.webupd8.org/2015/06/fresh-player-plugin-gets-hardware.html >> >> 2015-07-17 0:55 GMT-05:00 Ralf Mardorf > >: >> >> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:32:44 -0400 (EDT), accessys at smart.net >> wrote: >> >how "Temporarily" is temporarialy >> >> As from 2017 "temporarily" will be eternity. >> >> "Note about the future of flash on linux: In Feb 2012, Adobe announced >> that it is discontinuing its Flash Player for Linux as a standalone >> download as of version 11.2. Adobe will continue to provide security >> updates to the standalone Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for five years >> after its release (presumably 2017). Newer versions will only be >> available as part of Google Chrome browser. There are some open source >> alternatives. Read more at the links at bottom of this page." - >> http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Flash >> > Thanks for the link! After much experimenting I managed, had to install > Chrome instead of Chromium though. That does not bother me too much, am > not a "gnu fanatic". I tried various links of how to get it to work w/o > Chrome but failed all of them. > > Sinclair > A note though: it kills flash in Qupzilla totally and in Rekonq you get just a black square. Rekonq I dont use any more but Qupzilla.. hm have to think about this From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 09:18:44 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 11:18:44 +0200 Subject: Any alternative for the Firefox plug-in 'Adobe Flash Player'? In-Reply-To: <55A9F80F.1090409@gmail.com> References: <55A7FBFC.3060002@gmail.com> <20150717075509.550b84fc@archlinux> <55A9F601.2050005@gmail.com> <55A9F80F.1090409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20150718111844.10723173@archlinux> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 08:54:07 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: >> After much experimenting I managed, had to >> install Chrome instead of Chromium though. That does not bother me >> too much, am not a "gnu fanatic". I tried various links of how to >> get it to work w/o Chrome but failed all of them. >> >A note though: it kills flash in Qupzilla totally and in Rekonq you get >just a black square. Rekonq I dont use any more but Qupzilla.. hm have >to think about this It's said that the Google browsers are more secure, than the Mozilla and Mozilla based browsers and Firefox isn't really GNU. If you want a GNU browser based on Firefox consider to use GNU IceCat, it has got an option to "Block execution of non-free JavaScript", but if it's enabled, then Start Page and YouTube don't work anymore. Another drawback of IceCat is that it has the same odd history, as Firefox has got. I prefer QupZilla's history, that doesn't lose focus, if a link is clicked. I dislike Google browsers, but I will test Iridium. However, my Qupzilla's HTML5 does work, e.g. YouTube videos aren't an issue. On my machine no Flash, Gnash or other is installed. From errol at tzora.co.il Sat Jul 18 11:21:39 2015 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 14:21:39 +0300 Subject: language issue Message-ID: <55AA36C3.4@tzora.co.il> I use Kubuntu vivid in two languages. I have always used 2 languages and always have English (US) as my default language. Lately when installing some programs the Hebrew version - my other language and the area in which I live- has been installed. Is there a way to ensure installing the English version of a program. I get the in Hebrew no matter how I install the program, whether by apt-get, muon discover or direct from the site. It happened with Firefox and now again as I tried to install Qupzilla. Most of my programs are in English and suddenly I get this change of language which I cannot change out of. I still want to have dual language but not have Kubuntu decide what language to install a program. TIA Errol From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 11:48:37 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 13:48:37 +0200 Subject: language issue In-Reply-To: <55AA36C3.4@tzora.co.il> References: <55AA36C3.4@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <20150718134837.5b7823e2@archlinux> Applications with translations use the selected default language, assumed it's available. However, if you start Firefox and QupZilla in a terminal with LANG=C firefox LANG=C qupzilla English is enforced. When Firefox and QupZilla are in Hebrew all apps with a Hebrew translation should be in Hebrew. Some apps might be in English, because they don't provide a Hebrew translation. There are several ways the wanted language and area settings could be selected. If those settings are correct http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/ch03s07.html#regional-country and English still is ignored, you need to dig deeper http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=kubuntu+language+settings&gbv=2&oq=kubuntu+language+settings&gs_l=heirloom-hp.3..0i22i30.1164.1164.0.2481.1.1.0.0.0.0.152.152.0j1.1.0....0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..0.1.152.pxMBJm5cwoU From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 12:06:09 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 14:06:09 +0200 Subject: language issue In-Reply-To: <20150718134837.5b7823e2@archlinux> References: <55AA36C3.4@tzora.co.il> <20150718134837.5b7823e2@archlinux> Message-ID: <20150718140609.04e3a7e5@archlinux> Hahaha, QupZilla > Edit > Preferences > General > Available Translations ignores the environment settings. I tested it by selecting German and restarting the Browser and lost the English default language for QupZilla. I don't know how to do it for Firefox, perhaps you need to search the Internet for "preferences" and/or "about:config" settings. Regards, Ralf From errol at tzora.co.il Sat Jul 18 15:11:16 2015 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:11:16 +0300 Subject: language issue In-Reply-To: <20150718140609.04e3a7e5@archlinux> References: <55AA36C3.4@tzora.co.il> <20150718134837.5b7823e2@archlinux> <20150718140609.04e3a7e5@archlinux> Message-ID: <55AA6C94.8090601@tzora.co.il> Hi Ralf Thank you I will try it and report back. Errol On 07/18/2015 03:06 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hahaha, > > QupZilla > Edit > Preferences > General > Available Translations > > ignores the environment settings. I tested it by selecting German and > restarting the Browser and lost the English default language for > QupZilla. > > I don't know how to do it for Firefox, perhaps you need to search the > Internet for "preferences" and/or "about:config" settings. > > Regards, > Ralf > From errol at tzora.co.il Sun Jul 19 02:56:04 2015 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 05:56:04 +0300 Subject: language issue In-Reply-To: <20150718134837.5b7823e2@archlinux> References: <55AA36C3.4@tzora.co.il> <20150718134837.5b7823e2@archlinux> Message-ID: <55AB11C4.9080202@tzora.co.il> Hi Ralf This worked for me and now the programs are in English. Thanks Errol On 07/18/2015 02:48 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Applications with translations use the selected default language, > assumed it's available. > > However, if you start Firefox and QupZilla in a terminal with > > LANG=C firefox > LANG=C qupzilla > > English is enforced. > > When Firefox and QupZilla are in Hebrew all apps with a Hebrew > translation should be in Hebrew. Some apps might be in English, because > they don't provide a Hebrew translation. > > There are several ways the wanted language and area settings could be > selected. > > If those settings are correct > http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/ch03s07.html#regional-country > and English still is ignored, you need to dig deeper > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=kubuntu+language+settings&gbv=2&oq=kubuntu+language+settings&gs_l=heirloom-hp.3..0i22i30.1164.1164.0.2481.1.1.0.0.0.0.152.152.0j1.1.0....0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..0.1.152.pxMBJm5cwoU > From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sun Jul 19 08:26:11 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 10:26:11 +0200 Subject: language issue In-Reply-To: <55AB11C4.9080202@tzora.co.il> References: <55AA36C3.4@tzora.co.il> <20150718134837.5b7823e2@archlinux> <55AB11C4.9080202@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <20150719102611.55c2043d@archlinux> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 05:56:04 +0300, Errol Sapir wrote: >On 07/18/2015 02:48 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> LANG=C firefox >> LANG=C qupzilla >> >This worked for me and now the programs are in English. Hi Errol, what exactly does work? LANG=C qupzilla doesn't work on my machine, here only QupZilla > Edit > Preferences > General > Available Translations works and I didn't find it for Firefox. Fortunately everything is in English on my machine. Please post, what did solve it, to help others who might have the same issue. Regards, Ralf PS: If you post how the issue was solved, please edit the subject to [solved] language issue this makes it easier to find the solution, when using a search engine. It's common practise on mailing lists to add a [solved]. From richard at underpope.com Sun Jul 19 14:54:09 2015 From: richard at underpope.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:54:09 -0700 Subject: Change default file manager in Plasma 5.3 Message-ID: I've been using 15.04 for a couple of days now, and am frustrated by what appears to be the new file manager, especially in applications like Kate which I use to edit files directly on remote servers. In Dolphin I could specify several remote server and get to them from any application, but now I can't. Is there a way to make Dolphin my default file manager? Or, at least, add network locations to the new default file manager? -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (richard at underpope.com) http://www.underpope.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/underpope Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/underpope -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 14:56:37 2015 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 10:56:37 -0400 Subject: Change default file manager in Plasma 5.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dolphin is still the default file manager. On Jul 19, 2015 10:55 AM, "Richard S. Crawford" wrote: > I've been using 15.04 for a couple of days now, and am frustrated by what > appears to be the new file manager, especially in applications like Kate > which I use to edit files directly on remote servers. In Dolphin I could > specify several remote server and get to them from any application, but now > I can't. > > Is there a way to make Dolphin my default file manager? Or, at least, add > network locations to the new default file manager? > > -- > Sláinte, > Richard S. Crawford (richard at underpope.com) http://www.underpope.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/underpope > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/underpope > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at underpope.com Sun Jul 19 15:15:52 2015 From: richard at underpope.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:15:52 -0700 Subject: Change default file manager in Plasma 5.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why are my applications not using it then? I'm very confused. On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Aaron Honeycutt wrote: > Dolphin is still the default file manager. > On Jul 19, 2015 10:55 AM, "Richard S. Crawford" > wrote: > >> I've been using 15.04 for a couple of days now, and am frustrated by what >> appears to be the new file manager, especially in applications like Kate >> which I use to edit files directly on remote servers. In Dolphin I could >> specify several remote server and get to them from any application, but now >> I can't. >> >> Is there a way to make Dolphin my default file manager? Or, at least, add >> network locations to the new default file manager? >> >> -- >> Sláinte, >> Richard S. 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URL: From buzzmandt at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 16:37:38 2015 From: buzzmandt at gmail.com (Dale Trombley) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 12:37:38 -0400 Subject: Change default file manager in Plasma 5.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree, with the new dolphin there isn't a way to set the folders to have preview in the file picker of apps like chrome. and by preview i mean the same preview that i get in just pure dolphin. so when the file picker opens up i see every picture and can pick at a mere glance which file i want. The new dolphin acts like gnome file picker (yuck) and i have to select each file before i see a preview..... This behavior isn't going to stay is it? On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > Why are my applications not using it then? I'm very confused. > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Aaron Honeycutt < > honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dolphin is still the default file manager. >> On Jul 19, 2015 10:55 AM, "Richard S. Crawford" >> wrote: >> >>> I've been using 15.04 for a couple of days now, and am frustrated by >>> what appears to be the new file manager, especially in applications like >>> Kate which I use to edit files directly on remote servers. In Dolphin I >>> could specify several remote server and get to them from any application, >>> but now I can't. >>> >>> Is there a way to make Dolphin my default file manager? Or, at least, >>> add network locations to the new default file manager? >>> >>> -- >>> Sláinte, >>> Richard S. 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URL: From clay at claydoh.com Sun Jul 19 20:03:04 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:03:04 -0400 Subject: Change default file manager in Plasma 5.3 Message-ID: <1l5ltkarpc6b7mjgqtd6h41r.1437335569866@email.lge.com> Do note that the file-picker is not the same thing as Dolphin, just for clarity's sake. The native KDE file picker should be configurable to show previews, Dolphin's Places as the like just as it always has. I know I use both of these nearly daily for previewing pics and browsing a remote location. I'm away from home so I can't specify what and where to change settings specifically, but the top bar on the picker has icons that toggle things, and depending on screen resolution, one may have to increase the preview/icon size for previews to be visible. Clay Weber ------ Original message------From: Dale TrombleyDate: Sun, Jul 19, 2015 12:38 PMTo: Kubuntu user technical support;Cc: Subject:Re: Change default file manager in Plasma 5.3 I agree, with the new dolphin there isn't a way to set the folders to have preview in the file picker of apps like chrome. and by preview i mean the same preview that i get in just pure dolphin. so when the file picker opens up i see every picture and can pick at a mere glance which file i want. The new dolphin acts like gnome file picker (yuck) and i have to select each file before i see a preview..... This behavior isn't going to stay is it? On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Richard S. Crawford wrote: Why are my applications not using it then? I'm very confused. On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Aaron Honeycutt wrote: Dolphin is still the default file manager.On Jul 19, 2015 10:55 AM, "Richard S. Crawford" wrote: I've been using 15.04 for a couple of days now, and am frustrated by what appears to be the new file manager, especially in applications like Kate which I use to edit files directly on remote servers. In Dolphin I could specify several remote server and get to them from any application, but now I can't. Is there a way to make Dolphin my default file manager? Or, at least, add network locations to the new default file manager? -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (richard at underpope.com) http://www.underpope.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/underpope Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/underpope -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (richard at underpope.com) http://www.underpope.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/underpope Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/underpope -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Admin, My Summerfield Farm mysummerfieldfarm.com admin at mysymmerfieldfarm.com Admin, North Greene High School Bandnghsband.comadmin at nghsband.com Admin, Friends of Davy Crockett Birthplace State Parkcrockettfriends.comadmin at crockettfriends.com Admin, Historic Threads historicthreads.com admin at historicthreads.com Admin, Trombley Construction trombleyconstruction.com admin at trombleyconstruction.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at underpope.com Sun Jul 19 20:05:22 2015 From: richard at underpope.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 13:05:22 -0700 Subject: Change default file manager in Plasma 5.3 In-Reply-To: <1l5ltkarpc6b7mjgqtd6h41r.1437335569866@email.lge.com> References: <1l5ltkarpc6b7mjgqtd6h41r.1437335569866@email.lge.com> Message-ID: Hi Clay, Is there a way to use Dolphin as the file picker? The file picker seems to have no way to get to remote files. On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > Do note that the file-picker is not the same thing as Dolphin, just for > clarity's sake. > > > The native KDE file picker should be configurable to show previews, > Dolphin's Places as the like just as it always has. I know I use both of > these nearly daily for previewing pics and browsing a remote location. > > > I'm away from home so I can't specify what and where to change settings > specifically, but the top bar on the picker has icons that toggle things, > and depending on screen resolution, one may have to increase the > preview/icon size for previews to be visible. > > > Clay Weber > > > ------ Original message------ > > *From: *Dale Trombley > > *Date: *Sun, Jul 19, 2015 12:38 PM > > *To: *Kubuntu user technical support; > > *Cc: * > > *Subject:*Re: Change default file manager in Plasma 5.3 > > > I agree, with the new dolphin there isn't a way to set the fol ders to > have preview in the file picker of apps like chrome. and by preview i mean > the same preview that i get in just pure dolphin. so when the file picker > opens up i see every picture and can pick at a mere glance which file i > want. The new dolphin acts like gnome file picker (yuck) and i have to > select each file before i see a preview..... > > This behavior isn't going to stay is it? > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Richard S. Crawford < > richard at underpope.com> wrote: > >> Why are my applications not using it then? I'm very confused. >> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Aaron Honeycutt < >> honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dolphin is still the default file manager. >>> On Jul 19, 2015 10:55 AM, "Richard S. Crawford" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I've been using 15.04 for a couple of days now, and am frustrated by >>>> what appears to be the new file manager, especially in applications like >>>> Kate which I use to edit files directly on remote servers. In Dolphin I >>>> could specify several remote server and get to the m from any application, >>>> but now I can't. >>>> >>>> Is there a way to make Dolphin my default file manager? Or, at least, >>>> add network locations to the new default file manager? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sláinte, >>>> Richard S. Crawford (richard at underpope.com) http://www.underpope.com >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/underpope >>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/underpope >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sláinte, >> Richard S. Crawford (richard at underpope.com) http://www.underpope.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com /underpope >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/underpope >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > > > -- > > > > > *Admin, My Summerfield Farmmysummerfieldfarm.com > admin at mysymmerfieldfarm.com > * > > Admin, North Greene High School Band > nghsband.com > admin at nghsband.com > > Admin, Friends of Davy Crockett Birthplace State Park > crockettfriends.com > admin at crockettfriends.com > > > > > > > > > *Admin, Historic Threadshistoricthreads.com > admin at historicthreads.com > Admin, Trombley > Constructiontrombleyconstruction.com > admin at trombleyconstruction.com > * > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (richard at underpope.com) http://www.underpope.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/underpope Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/underpope -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From errol at tzora.co.il Sun Jul 19 20:49:12 2015 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 23:49:12 +0300 Subject: language issue In-Reply-To: <20150719102611.55c2043d@archlinux> References: <55AA36C3.4@tzora.co.il> <20150718134837.5b7823e2@archlinux> <55AB11C4.9080202@tzora.co.il> <20150719102611.55c2043d@archlinux> Message-ID: <55AC0D48.5090209@tzora.co.il> LANG=C Qupzilla worked and in fact Qupzilla stayed in English when I closed it and reopened it. I thought it was a command one had to use every time one opened Qupzilla but it stayed in English. I then found another way of making Qupzlla English (or any other language. On the Qupzilla home page there is the possibility of choosing a language at the bottom of the page. One chooses a language from the list and then install Qupzilla using the terminal and the commands on the home apge. On 07/19/2015 11:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 05:56:04 +0300, Errol Sapir wrote: >> On 07/18/2015 02:48 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> LANG=C firefox >>> LANG=C qupzilla >>> >> This worked for me and now the programs are in English. > Hi Errol, > > what exactly does work? > > LANG=C qupzilla doesn't work on my machine, here only > QupZilla > Edit > Preferences > General > Available Translations > works and I didn't find it for Firefox. Fortunately everything is in > English on my machine. > > Please post, what did solve it, to help others who might have the same > issue. > > Regards, > Ralf > > PS: If you post how the issue was solved, please edit the subject to > [solved] language issue > this makes it easier to find the solution, when using a search > engine. It's common practise on mailing lists to add a [solved]. > From richard at underpope.com Sun Jul 19 23:32:07 2015 From: richard at underpope.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:32:07 -0700 Subject: Change default file manager in Plasma 5.3 In-Reply-To: References: <1l5ltkarpc6b7mjgqtd6h41r.1437335569866@email.lge.com> Message-ID: Well, I did figure out the solution for my own issue, at least. Right-click on the "Places" bar, and select "Add entry". Then, enter "fish://@". That'll do it. On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > Hi Clay, > > Is there a way to use Dolphin as the file picker? The file picker seems to > have no way to get to remote files. > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > >> Do note that the file-picker is not the same thing as Dolphin, just for >> clarity's sake. >> >> >> The native KDE file picker should be configurable to show previews, >> Dolphin's Places as the like just as it always has. I know I use both of >> these nearly daily for previewing pics and browsing a remote location. >> >> >> I'm away from home so I can't specify what and where to change settings >> specifically, but the top bar on the picker has icons that toggle things, >> and depending on screen resolution, one may have to increase the >> preview/icon size for previews to be visible. >> >> >> Clay Weber >> >> >> ------ Original message------ >> >> *From: *Dale Trombley >> >> *Date: *Sun, Jul 19, 2015 12:38 PM >> >> *To: *Kubuntu user technical support; >> >> *Cc: * >> >> *Subject:*Re: Change default file manager in Plasma 5.3 >> >> >> I agree, with the new dolphin there isn't a way to set the fol ders to >> have preview in the file picker of apps like chrome. and by preview i mean >> the same preview that i get in just pure dolphin. so when the file picker >> opens up i see every picture and can pick at a mere glance which file i >> want. The new dolphin acts like gnome file picker (yuck) and i have to >> select each file before i see a preview..... >> >> This behavior isn't going to stay is it? >> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Richard S. Crawford < >> richard at underpope.com> wrote: >> >>> Why are my applications not using it then? I'm very confused. >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Aaron Honeycutt < >>> honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dolphin is still the default file manager. >>>> On Jul 19, 2015 10:55 AM, "Richard S. Crawford" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've been using 15.04 for a couple of days now, and am frustrated by >>>>> what appears to be the new file manager, especially in applications like >>>>> Kate which I use to edit files directly on remote servers. In Dolphin I >>>>> could specify several remote server and get to the m from any application, >>>>> but now I can't. >>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to make Dolphin my default file manager? Or, at least, >>>>> add network locations to the new default file manager? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sláinte, >>>>> Richard S. Crawford (richard at underpope.com) http://www.underpope.com >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/underpope >>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/underpope >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sláinte, >>> Richard S. 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Sergio Il 16/07/2015 17:12, Bas Roufs ha scritto: > Hello Everybody, > > > ever since a few days, the Firefox plug in 'Adobe Flash Player' is > causing problems. When visiting Facebook or any other website with > video content, I get information like this: > > /'Firefox has prevented the unsafe plugin 'Adobe Flash' from running > on www.facebook.com .' > / > When clicking for more info, I arrive at this page: > https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ > > A page from where it is apparently possible to download a newer? > version of this plug-in. However, I prefer to use some flash package > from one of the regular repositories. > > At that page, Adobe writes the following: > > /'(...) Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target > Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security > backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.(...)'./ > > To be honest, if Adobe does not continue any more development of his > flash player for Linux, I would prefer using some alternative that > continues to be maintained and developed. Do you know any alternative > with a similar functionality, allowing me to get rid of Adobe Flash > Player? > > Respectfully yours, > Bas G. Roufs. > > > > > > -- > > Bas G. Roufs > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com ; Mob. > +31 6 446 835 10; > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkourtev at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 09:35:28 2015 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:35:28 +0300 Subject: KDEConnect eats resources Message-ID: <1668782.VG4VqQ5EgY@gkourtev-laptop> Hi all, Since some time I have quite many issues with KDEConnect that is eating lots of resources when a mobile phone gets connected. The System activity shows CPU usage not less than 45% going to 75-80%! As a result the whole system slows down. This is without any major activity on both the laptop and the phone (HTS ONE). Anyone with same behaviour? This should not be normal, I believe -- any idea how to be fixed? Running 14.04, KDE 4.13.3, kernel 3.13-0-57 on a 64 bit machine. Thanks, gk From luca at ventoso.org Thu Jul 23 10:37:15 2015 From: luca at ventoso.org (Luca Olivetti) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:37:15 +0200 Subject: handbrake visual issues (missing icons) Message-ID: <55B0C3DB.40805@ventoso.org> Since k3b+transcode doesn't work(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transcode/+bug/1477272) I'm using handbrake. It works, but it's missing all the icons in the various buttons: http://s29.postimg.org/vfi1sr0ev/handbrake.png Is it worth a bug report? Bye -- Luca From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 15:59:21 2015 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:59:21 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life Message-ID: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> Kubuntu 14.10 goes end of life today and after trying Kubuntu 15.04 on a laptop, I have no interest in moving over to KDE 5 as a lot of things I use every day don't seem to be working. Is there any way I can have the security updates without moving to 15.04? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at rileyz.net Thu Jul 23 16:09:44 2015 From: steve at rileyz.net (Steve Riley) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:09:44 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> Message-ID: <17117229.HXiGBU8kbL@x250> On 2015-07-23 at 16:59:21, Mark Fraser wrote: > > Kubuntu 14.10 goes end of life today and after > trying Kubuntu 15.04 on a laptop, I have no interest > in moving over to KDE 5 as a lot of things I use every > day don't seem to be working. > > Is there any way I can have the security updates > without moving to 15.04? Security updates come from Ubuntu. Interim releases (that is, non LTS) won't vary their support stance. If you want to stay on KDE 4, you'll need to downgrade to 14.04. ...Steve From luca at ventoso.org Thu Jul 23 16:39:16 2015 From: luca at ventoso.org (Luca Olivetti) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:39:16 +0200 Subject: handbrake visual issues (missing icons) In-Reply-To: <55B0C3DB.40805@ventoso.org> References: <55B0C3DB.40805@ventoso.org> Message-ID: <55B118B4.5040905@ventoso.org> El 23/07/15 a les 12:37, Luca Olivetti ha escrit: > Since k3b+transcode doesn't > work(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transcode/+bug/1477272) > I'm using handbrake. > It works, but it's missing all the icons in the various buttons: > > http://s29.postimg.org/vfi1sr0ev/handbrake.png > > Is it worth a bug report? Interestingly enough, I installed handbrake on my son's kubuntu pc and there it has all the icons, so the problem is not with handbrake. The only difference between his and mine is that I have activated the Kubuntu Backports PPA (which, btw, has caused me a good deal of problems). Bye -- Luca From joern.schoenyan at web.de Thu Jul 23 17:25:44 2015 From: joern.schoenyan at web.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Sch=F6nyan?=) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:25:44 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> Message-ID: <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2015, 16:59 +0100 schrieb Mark Fraser: > Kubuntu 14.10 goes end of life today and after trying Kubuntu 15.04 on > a laptop, I have no interest in moving over to KDE 5 as a lot of > things I use every day don't seem to be working. > > > > Is there any way I can have the security updates without moving to > 15.04? Only way is to reinstall Kubuntu 14.04. By the way (not especially to Mark but to the list): all the discussions, complaints and rants about Plasma 5 are totally annoying. All distros are switching to Plasma 5, so don't waste your time. If you have problems, report bugs and help to fix them. Best regards, Jörn From mrmazda at earthlink.net Thu Jul 23 17:36:38 2015 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:36:38 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> Message-ID: <55B12626.1090006@earthlink.net> Mark Fraser composed on 2015-07-23 16:59 (UTC+0100): > Kubuntu 14.10 goes end of life today and after > trying Kubuntu 15.04 on a laptop, I have no interest > in moving over to KDE 5 as a lot of things I use every > day don't seem to be working. > Is there any way I can have the security updates > without moving to 15.04? Rather than simply going back to 14.04 to avoid KDE5, you might want to take the opportunity to try TDE. If it works for you as well as for others, 15.04 might be no pain at all. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 16:01:42 2015 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:01:42 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> Message-ID: You would have to stay on 14.04 then. Also it is not Plasma 5 it is call Plasma 5 as KDE changed their numbering system. 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Or use ubuntu-mate :) -- Richard Kimber From gheskett at wdtv.com Thu Jul 23 23:10:44 2015 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:10:44 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <55AE26EB0049AC94@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <55AE26EB0049AC94@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) Message-ID: <201507231910.44433.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Thursday 23 July 2015 14:43:02 R Kimber wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:25:44 +0200 > > Jörn Schönyan wrote: > > All distros are switching to Plasma 5, so don't waste your time. If > > you have problems, report bugs and help to fix them. > > Or use ubuntu-mate :) Or Trinity, aka TDE. > > -- > Richard Kimber Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page From clay at claydoh.com Thu Jul 23 23:17:12 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:17:12 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <201507231910.44433.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <55AE26EB0049AC94@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <201507231910.44433.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <10198414.1k0J3ABgZb@lark-latitude-d830> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 07:10:44 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 23 July 2015 14:43:02 R Kimber wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:25:44 +0200 > > > > Jörn Schönyan wrote: > > > All distros are switching to Plasma 5, so don't waste your time. If > > > you have problems, report bugs and help to fix them. > > > > Or use ubuntu-mate :) > > Or Trinity, aka TDE. or aka KDE 3 circa 2008 ;) > > > -- > > Richard Kimber > > Cheers, Gene Heskett -- Clay Weber From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 05:51:59 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:51:59 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> Message-ID: <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:25:44 +0200, Jörn Schönyan wrote: >all the discussions, complaints and rants about Plasma 5 are totally >annoying. All distros are switching to Plasma 5 But not all desktop environments switch to Plasma 5, they even don't switch to Qt 5. Since GNOME and KDE developers run berserk, a lot of users nowadays install forks or completely drop desktop environments and use old faithful window managers. >If you have problems, report bugs and help to fix them. No, don't waste your time to file a bug report against unusable desktop environments, drop crappy desktop environments and use a sane desktop environment or window manager, that doesn't break professional work flows again and again and again. Nobody would consider to use such a pot: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg So why should we use desktop environments that are wrong by (the) design? There are different designs for pots and there are different approaches for desktop environments, but every design and approach needs to provide usability, reliability, functionality that doesn't break. For some users the computer seems to be a toy as an end in itself, so they like to spend their time with crappy desktop environments. For other users the computer is a tool, that always should be usable. Usable as a sane designed pot, were the spout and handle aren't on the same site. 0,02€, Ralf From joern.schoenyan at web.de Fri Jul 24 06:45:39 2015 From: joern.schoenyan at web.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Sch=F6nyan?=) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:45:39 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> Message-ID: <1437720339.2120.21.camel@web.de> Am Freitag, den 24.07.2015, 07:51 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:25:44 +0200, Jörn Schönyan wrote: > >all the discussions, complaints and rants about Plasma 5 are totally > >annoying. All distros are switching to Plasma 5 > > But not all desktop environments switch to Plasma 5, they even don't > switch to Qt 5. Since GNOME and KDE developers run berserk, a lot of > users nowadays install forks or completely drop desktop environments > and use old faithful window managers. Of course, I've meant KDE distros (and KDE spins of distros with several desktops). Arch has switched, OpenSuse afaik did the switch in Tumbleweed, Fedora is switching right now. Btw, use what you want. But even "old faithful window managers" will break some time in the future. > >If you have problems, report bugs and help to fix them. > > No, don't waste your time to file a bug report against unusable desktop > environments, drop crappy desktop environments and use a sane desktop > environment or window manager, that doesn't break professional work > flows again and again and again. Sometimes there is need for a technology change. Life is changing, and technologies change, too. > Nobody would consider to use such a pot: > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg > So why should we use desktop environments that are wrong by (the) > design? I don't comment this, really! > There are different designs for pots and there are different approaches > for desktop environments, but every design and approach needs to > provide usability, reliability, functionality that doesn't break. If you want something what never changes, use BSD. You are wrong in the linux world. If you want something that never breaks, you are even wrong with computers. > For some users the computer seems to be a toy as an end in itself, so > they like to spend their time with crappy desktop environments. > For other users the computer is a tool, that always should be usable. > Usable as a sane designed pot, were the spout and handle aren't on the > same site. Ralf, you don't even understand what the KDE devs are doing: they spend their time for free into a project. They may do with their time what they want. It is everytime and everywhere the same, when something changes, the users are complaining. I'm hearing this on the Lubuntu side, too - and the switch to LXQt isn't already happening. On the GNOME side, I understand the complains, because the paradigm totally changed. But Plasma 5 is nearly the same like 4.x, just more modern and it needs some more time for polishing. All that rants make me quite angry - if you people aren't happy with a distro and aren't willing to help, then go away instead of wasting other peoples time! > 0,02€, > Ralf > > Jörn From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 09:40:27 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:40:27 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <1437720339.2120.21.camel@web.de> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> <1437720339.2120.21.camel@web.de> Message-ID: <20150724114027.35918d07@archlinux> You are angry, but you don't explain the benefits of the new KDE, resp. don't care about the drawbacks for many KDE users. Those users are disappointed and explain issues. Why does it make you angry? On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:45:39 +0200, Jörn Schönyan wrote: >Sometimes there is need for a technology change. Life is changing, and >technologies change, too. But there never will be a time when it makes sense to use such a Pot: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg >If you want something what never changes, use BSD. You are wrong in >the linux world. If you want something that never breaks, you are even >wrong with computers. You are mistaken, but discussing BSD, Linux and computers in general would be much to off-topic. Neither talking about how many developers are full time paid developers does lead to anything. >All that rants make me quite angry - if you people aren't happy with a >distro and aren't willing to help, then go away instead of wasting >other peoples time! This discussion isn't about Ubuntu, neither about the flavour Kubuntu per se. Users might install Kubuntu to avoid issues with Ubuntu, resp. to avoid issues with other Ubuntu flavours. They not necessarily want to use KDE. However, many users want to use KDE, but they want to use a stable KDE environment and stay with their work flows. It's true that a LTS might be the better choice, but it's untrue that the policy to introduce unfinished, unstable new software as stable release is good for progress/evolution. This is just a fashion, of a part of the Linux community, not a policy of the Linux community as a whole. To discuss the approach to continue releasing unfinished, unstable software is also a contribution to the community, a contribution the Linux community needs. The Problem is that as soon an environment isn't backwards compatible and brakes things, others have to work around it, fortunately not the whole Linux community follows this policy. A desktop environment is nearly as important as the kernel is. I hope the behaviour of desktop environment developers soon will follow what for the kernel development already happened. "Kay - one more time: you caused the problem, you need to fix it. None of this "I can do whatever I want, others have to clean up after me" crap. Linus" - https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420 Regards, Ralf PS: Since you mentiond Arch and your argumentation is based on what other do, Arch did not switch to Plasma 5, upstream did and Arch simply is a rolling release, following official releases from upstream. Arch isn't user-friendly, it's user-centric and an Arch user maintains her/his own install. You can't compare this with a user-friendly release model distro. Also comparisons with commercial distros is questionable. From joern.schoenyan at web.de Fri Jul 24 11:49:04 2015 From: joern.schoenyan at web.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Sch=F6nyan?=) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:49:04 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <20150724114027.35918d07@archlinux> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> <1437720339.2120.21.camel@web.de> <20150724114027.35918d07@archlinux> Message-ID: <1437738544.2048.10.camel@web.de> Am Freitag, den 24.07.2015, 11:40 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > You are angry, but you don't explain the benefits of the new KDE, resp. > don't care about the drawbacks for many KDE users. Those users are > disappointed and explain issues. Why does it make you angry? The benefits? Plasma 5 is way faster (so that fixed complains in the past, KDE software would be too slow/heavy) and it paves the way for Wayland (but I guess that is the next thing you will complain about). "Many KDE users" stay with the LTS releases, and because of that 15.04 was the right time to change to Plasma 5 to make it ready for the next LTS. > On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:45:39 +0200, Jörn Schönyan wrote: > >Sometimes there is need for a technology change. Life is changing, and > >technologies change, too. > > But there never will be a time when it makes sense to use such a Pot: > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg You and your dumb tea pot! > [...] > This discussion isn't about Ubuntu, neither about the flavour Kubuntu > per se. Users might install Kubuntu to avoid issues with Ubuntu, resp. > to avoid issues with other Ubuntu flavours. They not necessarily want > to use KDE. However, many users want to use KDE, but they want to use a > stable KDE environment and stay with their work flows. It's true that a > LTS might be the better choice, but it's untrue that the policy to > introduce unfinished, unstable new software as stable release is good > for progress/evolution. This is just a fashion, of a part of the Linux > community, not a policy of the Linux community as a whole. Plasma 5 isn't that unstable as you describe it. Yes, it is unfinished - but many people are using it and are happy. The rest can stay with 4.x until 5 matures enough. > To discuss the approach to continue releasing unfinished, unstable > software is also a contribution to the community, a contribution the > Linux community needs. No it's unnecessary, it wastes time. > The Problem is that as soon an environment isn't backwards compatible > and brakes things, others have to work around it, fortunately not the > whole Linux community follows this policy. A desktop environment is > nearly as important as the kernel is. I hope the behaviour of desktop > environment developers soon will follow what for the kernel > development already happened. Of course the desktop is important, you are totally right with that. > "Kay - one more time: you caused the problem, you need to fix it. None > of this "I can do whatever I want, others have to clean up after me" > crap. > > Linus" - https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420 > > Regards, > Ralf > > PS: Since you mentiond Arch and your argumentation is based on what > other do, Arch did not switch to Plasma 5, upstream did and Arch simply > is a rolling release, following official releases from upstream. Arch > isn't user-friendly, it's user-centric and an Arch user maintains > her/his own install. You can't compare this with a user-friendly > release model distro. Also comparisons with commercial distros is > questionable. > Right: upstream can't care longer about KDE 4.x and recommended to switch to Plasma 5. So Kubuntu devs did it. If you are unhappy with, you know what is to do. From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 12:04:14 2015 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:04:14 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <1437738544.2048.10.camel@web.de> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> <1437720339.2120.21.camel@web.de> <20150724114027.35918d07@archlinux> <1437738544.2048.10.camel@web.de> Message-ID: Plasma 5 is a continuation of the work from KDE 4 it is true that Plasma 5 does not have everything that KDE 4 has (yet) but they are being worked on . If you need KDE 4 and all the current features it brings you should stay with KDE 4 in 14.04 as it is a LTS. If you love Plasma 5 and want it to help it developer into a better and more stable environment please run the latest Kubuntu release and file bugs and test with us in #kubuntu-devel and the kubuntu-devel mailing list. :) On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Jörn Schönyan wrote: > Am Freitag, den 24.07.2015, 11:40 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > > You are angry, but you don't explain the benefits of the new KDE, resp. > > don't care about the drawbacks for many KDE users. Those users are > > disappointed and explain issues. Why does it make you angry? > The benefits? Plasma 5 is way faster (so that fixed complains in the past, > KDE software would be too slow/heavy) and it paves the way for Wayland > (but I guess that is the next thing you will complain about). "Many KDE > users" > stay with the LTS releases, and because of that 15.04 was the right time to > change to Plasma 5 to make it ready for the next LTS. > > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:45:39 +0200, Jörn Schönyan wrote: > > >Sometimes there is need for a technology change. Life is changing, and > > >technologies change, too. > > > > But there never will be a time when it makes sense to use such a Pot: > > > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg > You and your dumb tea pot! > > [...] > > This discussion isn't about Ubuntu, neither about the flavour Kubuntu > > per se. Users might install Kubuntu to avoid issues with Ubuntu, resp. > > to avoid issues with other Ubuntu flavours. They not necessarily want > > to use KDE. However, many users want to use KDE, but they want to use a > > stable KDE environment and stay with their work flows. It's true that a > > LTS might be the better choice, but it's untrue that the policy to > > introduce unfinished, unstable new software as stable release is good > > for progress/evolution. This is just a fashion, of a part of the Linux > > community, not a policy of the Linux community as a whole. > Plasma 5 isn't that unstable as you describe it. Yes, it is unfinished - > but many people are using it and are happy. The rest can stay with 4.x > until 5 matures enough. > > To discuss the approach to continue releasing unfinished, unstable > > software is also a contribution to the community, a contribution the > > Linux community needs. > No it's unnecessary, it wastes time. > > The Problem is that as soon an environment isn't backwards compatible > > and brakes things, others have to work around it, fortunately not the > > whole Linux community follows this policy. A desktop environment is > > nearly as important as the kernel is. I hope the behaviour of desktop > > environment developers soon will follow what for the kernel > > development already happened. > Of course the desktop is important, you are totally right with that. > > "Kay - one more time: you caused the problem, you need to fix it. None > > of this "I can do whatever I want, others have to clean up after me" > > crap. > > > > Linus" - https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420 > > > > Regards, > > Ralf > > > > PS: Since you mentiond Arch and your argumentation is based on what > > other do, Arch did not switch to Plasma 5, upstream did and Arch simply > > is a rolling release, following official releases from upstream. Arch > > isn't user-friendly, it's user-centric and an Arch user maintains > > her/his own install. You can't compare this with a user-friendly > > release model distro. Also comparisons with commercial distros is > > questionable. > > > Right: upstream can't care longer about KDE 4.x and recommended to > switch to Plasma 5. So Kubuntu devs did it. If you are unhappy with, you > know what is to do. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrmazda at earthlink.net Fri Jul 24 12:06:29 2015 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:06:29 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <1437738544.2048.10.camel@web.de> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> <1437720339.2120.21.camel@web.de> <20150724114027.35918d07@archlinux> <1437738544.2048.10.camel@web.de> Message-ID: <55B22A45.306@earthlink.net> Jörn Schönyan composed on 2015-07-24 13:49 (UTC+0200): > Plasma 5 isn't that unstable as you describe it. It's unstable to little short of completely useless: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346059 Not to mention too unfinished: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 14:42:47 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:42:47 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <55B22A45.306@earthlink.net> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> <1437720339.2120.21.camel@web.de> <20150724114027.35918d07@archlinux> <1437738544.2048.10.camel@web.de> <55B22A45.306@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20150724164247.044244eb@archlinux> On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:49:04 +0200, Jörn Schönyan wrote: >Plasma 5 isn't that unstable as you describe it. Yes, it is unfinished >- but many people are using it and are happy. The rest can stay with >4.x until 5 matures enough. IOW you don't care about other. Some are happy, the others are free to downgrade to the last LTS and run into downgrade issues, since some apps transform data, when they are upgraded, but can't transform the data to an older format when downgrading. Several people don't need LTS releases, "minor issues" when upgrading are ok, they are just unhappy with "critical issues". The desktop environment is much more important than a media player. >> To discuss the approach to continue releasing unfinished, unstable >> software is also a contribution to the community, a contribution the >> Linux community needs. >No it's unnecessary, it wastes time. So you also would like to get regressions for the kernel? Also from the link I already posted: "But I'm not willing to merge something where the maintainer is known to not care about bugs and regressions and then forces people in other projects to fix their project." >> "Kay - one more time: you caused the problem, you need to fix it. >> None of this "I can do whatever I want, others have to clean up >> after me" crap. >> >> Linus" - https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420 The name "Linux" original is for the kernel and it was, is and will be the policy of the kernel development to avoid regressions. The approach to accept regression was introduced by developers of the bloated desktop environments. It's up to the users to answer this approach with talking about it and stop using such desktop environments. Actually I was a KDE 3 user, switched to GNOME 2, when KDE 4 was a PITA and to Xfce4, when GNOME 3 caused very serious issues. Xfce4 introduced regressions within a major release, IOW it's more problematic, than what happened to KDE and GNOME. My production machine's main environment is openbox + selected panels (fbpanel and lxpanel) + a selected file manager (spacefm) + a selected terminal emulation (roxterm) etc., today I removed Ark, since after running Ark, something makes green HDDs spinning down and up again and again, so I chose to use engrampa-thunar the archive manipulator of MATE, without caja dependency. JFTR lxpanel also suffered from waking up green drives, but the developer was willing to fix it. As you can see, I'm willing to contribute with bug reports and compiling from git, http://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/bugs/751/ , but only if the developers care about user experiences. To file an more or less equal bug against GNOME, KDE and Xfce4 software, e.g. regarding the green drive issue against GVFS is useless, because they don't care about such critical bugs. >Right: upstream can't care longer about KDE 4.x and recommended to >switch to Plasma 5. So Kubuntu devs did it. If you are unhappy with, >you know what is to do. Indeed, I removed a Kubuntu install with KDE 4 a few days ago and what ever Ubuntu flavour I'll install next, I unlikely will install KDE again, at least not for an production environment. On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:06:29 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >Jörn Schönyan composed on 2015-07-24 13:49 (UTC+0200): > >> Plasma 5 isn't that unstable as you describe it. > >It's unstable to little short of completely useless: >https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346059 > >Not to mention too unfinished: >https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 A workaround would be to stay with KDE 5 and to replace some KDE software. A panel could be replaced with lxqt-panel, assumed not much features are needed. If many features are needed, then e.g. lxpanel could be used. I anyway would replace several apps, what ever environment I use, since I prefer apps that are more feature-rich, but still less bloated and faster, than the apps of most desktop environments are. Regards, Ralf From m.celiesius at yandex.ru Fri Jul 24 14:44:44 2015 From: m.celiesius at yandex.ru (m.celiesius at yandex.ru) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:44:44 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <55AE26EB0049AC94@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <55AE26EB0049AC94@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> Message-ID: <2425839.B6ctBxa7OS@localhost> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 19:43:02 R Kimber wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:25:44 +0200 > > Jörn Schönyan wrote: > > All distros are switching to Plasma 5, so don't waste your time. If you > > have problems, report bugs and help to fix them. > > Or use ubuntu-mate :) I think, you can use Mageia 5, with KDE 4.14.5 :) From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 15:39:09 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:39:09 +0200 Subject: Are there plans to drop X? - Was: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life Message-ID: <20150724173909.6095a379@archlinux> On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:49:04 +0200, Jörn Schönyan wrote: >The benefits? Plasma 5 is way faster (so that fixed complains in the >past, KDE software would be too slow/heavy) and it paves the way for >Wayland (but I guess that is the next thing you will complain about) "Is Ubuntu dropping X? No, X will be retained for backwards compatibility." - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland "In summary, we have not chosen Wayland/Weston as our basis for delivering a next-generation user experience as it does not fulfill our requirements completely. More to this, with our protocol- and platform-agnostic approach, we can make sure that we reach our goal of a consistent and beautiful user experience across platforms and device form factors. However, Wayland support could be added either by providing a Wayland-specific frontend implementation for our display server or by providing a client-side implementation of libwayland that ultimately talks to Mir. " - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec#Why_Not_Wayland_.2BAC8_Weston.3F It's hard to find clear statments about Wayland on Ubuntu that are up-to-date, but I suspect that even Ubuntu won't drop X, since Wayland doesn't provide everything X does provide. As long as X isn't dropped, the people who need X unlikely will complain. An old school X user unlikely needs X as the out of the box default, special case xorg.confs either way have to be maintained by the users. Off-topic: Btw. I already can't run GNOME 3 with X, because my graphics isn't able to run GNOME 3. My hardware is modern enough for audio real-time usage, I even could use Google Earth without issues, assumed I would like to do so. If modern desktop environments need latest hardware, I won't use them, since I'm against http://lmgtfy.com/?q=agbogbloshie+images ;). What some people call "progress" often is a "regression". Nobody should contribute to http://lmgtfy.com/?q=agbogbloshie+images ;). Back to the topic: Are there plans to drop X, or why did you mention it? Regards, Ralf From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 17:22:36 2015 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:22:36 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> Message-ID: The language used in this post is inflammatory, besides being plain wrong. On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:25:44 +0200, Jörn Schönyan wrote: >>all the discussions, complaints and rants about Plasma 5 are totally >>annoying. All distros are switching to Plasma 5 > > But not all desktop environments switch to Plasma 5, they even don't > switch to Qt 5. Since GNOME and KDE developers run berserk, a lot of > users nowadays install forks or completely drop desktop environments > and use old faithful window managers. The developers have not "run berserk." They are keeping up with the times, which always involves some changes; some welcome, some that need to be worked around. And at some times, they often change up appearance as well as what is under the hood. In the case of KDE devels, "under the hood" changed back in 14.04 times or even earlier. Most of what looks so different is just appearance, which is why the transition has been relatively smooth for most people. Of course there are exceptions. >> If you have problems, report bugs and help to fix them. > > No, don't waste your time to file a bug report against unusable desktop > environments, drop crappy desktop environments and use a sane desktop > environment or window manager, that doesn't break professional work > flows again and again and again. This is absolutely terrible advice for any user of free software. If you are using free software for professional work, *of course* you will want to stay with the most stable versions, and only try the new stuff as a test. Bug reports are ALWAYS welcome, and indeed, are vital to our devels. > Nobody would consider to use such a pot: > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg > So why should we use desktop environments that are wrong by (the) > design? > > There are different designs for pots and there are different approaches > for desktop environments, but every design and approach needs to > provide usability, reliability, functionality that doesn't break. > > For some users the computer seems to be a toy as an end in itself, so > they like to spend their time with crappy desktop environments. > For other users the computer is a tool, that always should be usable. > Usable as a sane designed pot, were the spout and handle aren't on the > same site. > > 0,02€, > Ralf Please keep in mind the code of conduct before you send another post. Use of Ubu From unknown.crewman at rocketship.com Fri Jul 24 19:17:26 2015 From: unknown.crewman at rocketship.com (Ralf) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:17:26 +0200 Subject: Thank you, I'll unsubscribe from this list. - Fw: Your message to kubuntu-users awaits moderator approval Message-ID: <20150724211726.5e5f6ba48a87c92b53df9702@rocketship.com> I'll unsubscribe from this list, but before I'm doing this, people should become aware that there is censorship for no reason on this mailing list. Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 18:53:59 +0000 From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com To: kde.lists at yahoo.com Subject: Your message to kubuntu-users awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'kubuntu-users' with the subject Re: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post to moderated list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/kubuntu-users/af1f97aba0d34da60fb551911fb9febaeb348a10 Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 20:53:51 +0200 From: Ralf To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:22:36 -0700, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >Please keep in mind the code of conduct before you send another post. Yes, the CoC is always used, if people have good arguments against wrong policies. Actually I didn't offend the CoC, but that you misuse the CoC without a good reason, instead of arguing, is speaking for itself. Again, regressions are against the basic philosophy of Linux, but for the huge desktop environments there are tons of regressions that interact with other applications. They often even care about the difference of major releases and dot releases, regarding compatibility. For Qt5 even qtconfig is dropped, assumed this becomes popular, e.g for GTK too, then in the close future we will get all kinds of trouble, if we use Qt and GTK applications. Even with the GTK and Qt config files that still can be used, at least up to Qt 4, it's already hard to get consistent font sizes etc.. Your claim that bug reports are always welcome is simply not true. You will find tons of bug reports in FLOSS bug trackers made by me. Most are made to projects that stay with the Linux philosophy. Some projects are everlasting. They have progression and they are keeping with horse-sense and the Linux philosophy and also with pollution control. It's a pleasure to help the developers with bug reports, but I have given up to file bugs against GNOME, KDE and Xfce4, since it makes no sense. They even don't care about bug reports from Linus Torvalds ;), or about EU regulations for environmental protection. Note, only the big desktop environments make green drives spin down and up again and again. I'm not interested in a flame war, I simply stop this discussion. A discussion is hopeless. Regards, Ralf From clay at claydoh.com Fri Jul 24 19:18:16 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:18:16 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <20150724164247.044244eb@archlinux> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <55B22A45.306@earthlink.net> <20150724164247.044244eb@archlinux> Message-ID: <1783624.Ftq4GNCTta@lark-latitude-d830> On Friday, July 24, 2015 04:42:47 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > So you also would like to get regressions for the kernel? Ubuntu LTS releases see the LTS enablement stack (1), so utopic and vivid kernels and xorg are available, if not installed by default, so this is not really an issue for someone going back to an LTS (1) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack -- Clay Weber From unknown.crewman at rocketship.com Fri Jul 24 19:23:21 2015 From: unknown.crewman at rocketship.com (Ralf) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:23:21 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <1783624.Ftq4GNCTta@lark-latitude-d830> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <55B22A45.306@earthlink.net> <20150724164247.044244eb@archlinux> <1783624.Ftq4GNCTta@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <20150724212321.b5db01c87c34c9a1b786562e@rocketship.com> On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:18:16 -0400 Clay Weber wrote: > On Friday, July 24, 2015 04:42:47 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > So you also would like to get regressions for the kernel? > > Ubuntu LTS releases see the LTS enablement stack (1), so utopic and > vivid kernels and xorg are available, if not installed by default, so > this is not really an issue for someone going back to an LTS You are mixing an argument from me, with a non-related question. Downgrading the kernel isn't an issue, because there is no regression. Downgrading software such as Evolution is an issue. Now I'll unsubscribe. Regards, Ralf From luca at ventoso.org Sat Jul 25 07:42:51 2015 From: luca at ventoso.org (Luca Olivetti) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:42:51 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <55B22A45.306@earthlink.net> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> <1437720339.2120.21.camel@web.de> <20150724114027.35918d07@archlinux> <1437738544.2048.10.camel@web.de> <55B22A45.306@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <55B33DFB.6050209@ventoso.org> El 24/07/15 a les 14:06, Felix Miata ha escrit: > Jörn Schönyan composed on 2015-07-24 13:49 (UTC+0200): > >> Plasma 5 isn't that unstable as you describe it. > > It's unstable to little short of completely useless: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346059 > > Not to mention too unfinished: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 > Well, I had to choose between a crashing konsole and the impossibility to close the session/shutdown the machine (with the stock kubuntu vivid) or a non functional dolphin (with the kubuntu backports ppa). https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349531 Bye -- Luca From david at lang.hm Sat Jul 25 09:18:28 2015 From: david at lang.hm (David Lang) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 02:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Jörn Schönyan wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2015, 16:59 +0100 schrieb Mark Fraser: >> Kubuntu 14.10 goes end of life today and after trying Kubuntu 15.04 on >> a laptop, I have no interest in moving over to KDE 5 as a lot of >> things I use every day don't seem to be working. >> >> >> >> Is there any way I can have the security updates without moving to >> 15.04? > > > Only way is to reinstall Kubuntu 14.04. > > By the way (not especially to Mark but to the list): all the > discussions, complaints and rants about Plasma 5 are totally annoying. > All distros are switching to Plasma 5, so don't waste your time. If you > have problems, report bugs and help to fix them. On my work laptop, I can't even login to plasma if I disconnect the external monitors, it just dies and goes back to the login prompt. These are not minor issues we're talking about, they are showstoppers that force us to use something else. David Lang From david at lang.hm Mon Jul 27 01:10:07 2015 From: david at lang.hm (David Lang) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 18:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Are there plans to drop X? - Was: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <20150724173909.6095a379@archlinux> References: <20150724173909.6095a379@archlinux> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:49:04 +0200, Jörn Schönyan wrote: >> The benefits? Plasma 5 is way faster (so that fixed complains in the >> past, KDE software would be too slow/heavy) and it paves the way for >> Wayland (but I guess that is the next thing you will complain about) > > "Is Ubuntu dropping X? > > No, X will be retained for backwards compatibility." - > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland > > "In summary, we have not chosen Wayland/Weston as our basis for > delivering a next-generation user experience as it does not fulfill our > requirements completely. More to this, with our protocol- and > platform-agnostic approach, we can make sure that we reach our goal of > a consistent and beautiful user experience across platforms and device > form factors. However, Wayland support could be added either by > providing a Wayland-specific frontend implementation for our display > server or by providing a client-side implementation of libwayland that > ultimately talks to Mir. " - > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec#Why_Not_Wayland_.2BAC8_Weston.3F > > > It's hard to find clear statments about Wayland on Ubuntu that are > up-to-date, but I suspect that even Ubuntu won't drop X, since Wayland > doesn't provide everything X does provide. Given that Canonical is working on Mir, not Wayland, I really would be surprised if they switched and forced everything to Wayland. > Back to the topic: Are there plans to drop X, or why did you mention it? The Wayland advocates keep saying that Wayland is the future and is far better than anything else. I have yet to see any real evidence that it's 'far better' for the user (othe than the Pi example where they used accelerated Wayland vs unaccelerated X) David Lang From fluca1978 at infinito.it Tue Jul 28 13:45:05 2015 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:45:05 +0200 Subject: upgrade from 14.04 to 15.04? Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to do the upgrade but cannot succeed, and cannot even upgrade to 15.10. Here it is my version after a full dist-upgrade: % lsb_release -a ~ No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS Release: 14.04 Codename: trusty and here is the effort to upgrade: % sudo do-release-upgrade -d ~ Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found % sudo do-release-upgrade -c ~ Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found What am I missing? Thanks, Luca From fluca1978 at infinito.it Tue Jul 28 13:59:33 2015 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:59:33 +0200 Subject: upgrade from 14.04 to 15.04? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Luca Ferrari wrote: > % sudo do-release-upgrade -d > ~ > Checking for a new Ubuntu release > No new release found Apparently setting the prompt level to normal instead of LTS allows me to upgrade to 15.10, and I guess from there to 15.04. I'll report back. Luca From fluca1978 at infinito.it Wed Jul 29 13:02:11 2015 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:02:11 +0200 Subject: google-chrome-stable causes dpkg to fail every command Message-ID: Hi all, I'm stucked with my system, since every operation I try to make with dpkg and/or apt-get fails due to google-chrome-stable: # dpkg -P google-chrome-stable (Reading database ... 412132 files and directories currently installed.) Removing google-chrome-stable (37.0.2062.120-1) ... xdg-icon-resource: size argument must be numeric Try 'xdg-icon-resource --help' for more information. dpkg: error processing package google-chrome-stable (--purge): subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 xdg-icon-resource: size argument must be numeric Try 'xdg-icon-resource --help' for more information. dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: google-chrome-stable # dpkg-query -l google-chrome-stable Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Architecture Description +++-=========================-=================-=================-======================================================== pF google-chrome-stable 37.0.2062.120-1 amd64 The web browser from Google I've already tried fix missing: # apt-get install -f Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Setting up google-chrome-stable (37.0.2062.120-1) ... xdg-icon-resource: size argument must be numeric Try 'xdg-icon-resource --help' for more information. dpkg: error processing package google-chrome-stable (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: google-chrome-stable E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) What can I do at this point? Thanks, Luca From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Fri Jul 31 14:58:32 2015 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 09:58:32 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> Message-ID: <55BB8D18.10107@lyonlabs.org> On 07/24/2015 12:22 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> No, don't waste your time to file a bug report against unusable desktop >> environments > > This is absolutely terrible advice for any user of free software. I disagree. Free software users more than others have the ability to vote with their feet. If someone disagrees with the direction a project is taking, odds are there's a different one he can use instead. Of course, grownups do that without fanfare... -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From buzzmandt at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 17:37:06 2015 From: buzzmandt at gmail.com (Dale Trombley) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:37:06 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 14.10 end of life In-Reply-To: <55BB8D18.10107@lyonlabs.org> References: <2475980.4hSnuXsfA9@rachael> <1437672344.4229.4.camel@web.de> <20150724075159.6489d1e4@archlinux> <55BB8D18.10107@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: Sweetie just got a new laptop, I put 14.04 lts on it since she wants stable. I run 15.10 on mine because I want cutting edge. Pick one, pick the other, or pick something else, it really is that simple. Both can be bug reported. Both may or may not get your fix. That is Foss. On Jul 31, 2015 10:59 AM, "Glenn Holmer" wrote: > On 07/24/2015 12:22 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > >> No, don't waste your time to file a bug report against unusable desktop > >> environments > > > > This is absolutely terrible advice for any user of free software. > > I disagree. Free software users more than others have the ability to > vote with their feet. If someone disagrees with the direction a project > is taking, odds are there's a different one he can use instead. > > Of course, grownups do that without fanfare... > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: