From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 09:04:18 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 11:04:18 +0200 Subject: Neat trick with Dolphin and file tags Message-ID: <53B51C92.9030401@gmail.com> Found a way to easily search for tags in Dolphin, see screenshot in the link: http://pbrd.co/1maW6Qx clicking on any tag in the window opens the Dolphin window with all files tagged with the clicked tag Note: this works with Baloo in KDE 4.13.x, am not all sure it would/will work in Nepomuk versions /Sinclair From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 19:39:59 2014 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 13:39:59 -0600 Subject: network manager says "wireless disabled"; how to re-enable? Message-ID: <53B5B18F.5040504@gmail.com> Following an update today, my laptop (running 32-bit 14.04) no longer allows me to connect to a wireless network. The widget in the system tray has a red cross superimposed -- which can't be good, but I can't find any indication of how to change it. When I open the icon on the system tray, the leftmost (wireless) option is greyed out. System settings doesn't provide any obvious place to configure anything associated with wireless. So can anyone give me a clue as to how to get wireless working again? Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 19:49:39 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 21:49:39 +0200 Subject: network manager says "wireless disabled"; how to re-enable? In-Reply-To: <53B5B18F.5040504@gmail.com> References: <53B5B18F.5040504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B5B3D3.8040803@gmail.com> On 03/07/2014 21:39, D. R. Evans wrote: > Following an update today, my laptop (running 32-bit 14.04) no longer allows > me to connect to a wireless network. > > The widget in the system tray has a red cross superimposed -- which can't be > good, but I can't find any indication of how to change it. When I open the > icon on the system tray, the leftmost (wireless) option is greyed out. > > System settings doesn't provide any obvious place to configure anything > associated with wireless. > > So can anyone give me a clue as to how to get wireless working again? > > Doc > > > from a command line try: sudo rfkill list if any output states "blocked" you have a clue. if so do sudo rfkill unblock 0/1 or whichever is blocked This has helped me in similar situations /Sinclair From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 19:52:41 2014 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 13:52:41 -0600 Subject: network manager says "wireless disabled"; how to re-enable? In-Reply-To: <53B5B18F.5040504@gmail.com> References: <53B5B18F.5040504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B5B489.6070001@gmail.com> Never mind... I must have knocked the slide switch that controls access to the wi-fi chip. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Jul 3 20:11:11 2014 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:11:11 -0400 Subject: network manager says "wireless disabled"; how to re-enable? In-Reply-To: <53B5B489.6070001@gmail.com> References: <53B5B18F.5040504@gmail.com> <53B5B489.6070001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B5B8DF.1020208@bmarsh.com> On 07/03/2014 03:52 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > Never mind... I must have knocked the slide switch that controls access to the > wi-fi chip. > > Doc That was my first thought...... -- "Virtue is like a rich stone, best plain set." - Francis Bacon From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 07:01:18 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 09:01:18 +0200 Subject: network manager says "wireless disabled"; how to re-enable? In-Reply-To: <53B5B8DF.1020208@bmarsh.com> References: <53B5B18F.5040504@gmail.com> <53B5B489.6070001@gmail.com> <53B5B8DF.1020208@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <53B6513E.4020309@gmail.com> On 03/07/2014 22:11, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On 07/03/2014 03:52 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: >> Never mind... I must have knocked the slide switch that controls >> access to the >> wi-fi chip. >> >> Doc > > That was my first thought...... > sudo rfkill list would have told you that, your wireless would have indicated hardware disabled ;-) From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 13:49:44 2014 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:49:44 -0600 Subject: network manager says "wireless disabled"; how to re-enable? In-Reply-To: <53B6513E.4020309@gmail.com> References: <53B5B18F.5040504@gmail.com> <53B5B489.6070001@gmail.com> <53B5B8DF.1020208@bmarsh.com> <53B6513E.4020309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B6B0F8.7050301@gmail.com> O. Sinclair said the following at 07/04/2014 01:01 AM : >>> Never mind... I must have knocked the slide switch that controls >>> access to the >>> wi-fi chip. >> That was my first thought...... >> > sudo rfkill list would have told you that, your wireless would have > indicated hardware disabled ;-) > :-) Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like to dedicate 1.5GB to the VMWare Player Win 8.1 Virtual Machine, but I am concerned that there won't be enough RAM left for VM with all my native apps running. ~260MB seems rather excessive RAM amount for a simple email client? Any help would be appreciated, thanks! Jesse From mattjcliffe at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 15:10:06 2014 From: mattjcliffe at gmail.com (Matthew Cliffe) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:10:06 +0100 Subject: [14.04 64Bit]-Mozilla Thunderbird High Memory Usage? In-Reply-To: <53B6BB71.6060803@GMail.com> References: <53B6BB71.6060803@GMail.com> Message-ID: Hay, Ill have a little go at helping, First do you have any extensions installed? These can use up silly amounts of RAM. Also if you go here https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Testing:Memory_Usage_Problems They say less than 250MB is acceptable and OK for an average user, I assume an average user in this case only uses one email account so ... im not sure but I would "say" that 260 ish isn't overly large. Cheers Matt On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Jesse Palser < jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Running Kubuntu 14.04 LTS 64Bit fully updated ("The Greatest OS In The > History Of Computers"). > I'm on a slow thin client with Intel Celeron Dual-Core CPU and only 4GB > DDR3 RAM. > I would like to run a Genuine copy of Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro 32Bit in > VMWare Player. > My problem is Mozilla Thunderbird email client takes much RAM (~260MB ?). > The email client has just 4 email accounts and all are configured for IMAP. > > Is ~260MB RAM usage normal for Mozilla Thunderbird email client? > I would like to dedicate 1.5GB to the VMWare Player Win 8.1 Virtual > Machine, > but I am concerned that there won't be enough RAM left for VM with all my > native apps running. > > ~260MB seems rather excessive RAM amount for a simple email client? > Any help would be appreciated, thanks! > > Jesse > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Matthew Cliffe Daresbury Tel: (+44)01925864332 Email: matthew.cliffe at stfc.ac.uk The Cockcroft Institute Daresbury Laboratory Daresbury Science & Innovation Campus Daresbury WA4 4AD Photon Physics Research Group The University of Manchester Room 2.323 Alan Turing Building Oxford Road Manchester M13 9PL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrmazda at earthlink.net Fri Jul 4 15:39:08 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:39:08 -0400 Subject: [14.04 64Bit]-Mozilla Thunderbird High Memory Usage? In-Reply-To: <53B6BB71.6060803@GMail.com> References: <53B6BB71.6060803@GMail.com> Message-ID: <53B6CA9C.6060308@earthlink.net> On 2014-07-04 10:34 (GMT-0400) Jesse Palser composed: > ~260MB seems rather excessive RAM amount for a simple email client? It may seem so, but may not be. Is this an old TB profile, rather than a new one created with 14.04 installation? Do you use it for newsgroups as well as email? Since long before TB ever existed there has been Mozilla mail, originally as Netscape, later Mozilla Suite, and still later SeaMonkey and Thunderbird. I started in 1997 with Netscape and have never used any other form of email on a regular basis. When I started I was using OS/2. OS/2 has a half TB shared RAM limit that causes trouble with using RAM hungry apps like Mozilla, which is why I eventually stopped using OS/2 as a primary OS - Mozilla was too easily exhausting the minimal supply of shared RAM. Before I stopped entirely I bought some time by totally ceasing to use it for newsgroups, which cut down on the amount of RAM it needed significantly. On switching to Linux I was able to avoid that limit, but not the hunger of Mozilla mailnews, which still happens here in the form of SeaMonkey, not Thunderbird. Anyway, not terribly long ago, Firefox acquired an ability to swell required RAM appreciably more than before via its new prediction service. SM inherited this new misfeature too, and I'll bet so did TB. To check if this is a large taproot of your problem, take a look in your profile sorted by file size. Is there one very large file, much bigger than the next biggest, maybe bigger than all others combined? If so, you'll want to learn about "seer" in order to decide if your RAM consumption is normal, and take control of it. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 04:43:24 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 06:43:24 +0200 Subject: [14.04 64Bit]-Mozilla Thunderbird High Memory Usage? In-Reply-To: <53B6BB71.6060803@GMail.com> References: <53B6BB71.6060803@GMail.com> Message-ID: <53B7826C.90808@gmail.com> On 04/07/2014 16:34, Jesse Palser wrote: > Hi, > > Running Kubuntu 14.04 LTS 64Bit fully updated ("The Greatest OS In The > History Of Computers"). > I'm on a slow thin client with Intel Celeron Dual-Core CPU and only 4GB > DDR3 RAM. > I would like to run a Genuine copy of Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro 32Bit in > VMWare Player. > My problem is Mozilla Thunderbird email client takes much RAM (~260MB ?). > The email client has just 4 email accounts and all are configured for IMAP. > > Is ~260MB RAM usage normal for Mozilla Thunderbird email client? > I would like to dedicate 1.5GB to the VMWare Player Win 8.1 Virtual > Machine, > but I am concerned that there won't be enough RAM left for VM with all > my native apps running. > > ~260MB seems rather excessive RAM amount for a simple email client? > Any help would be appreciated, thanks! > > Jesse > I have 3 pop accounts in Thunderbird and use 1 extension and it use about 150 MB RAM. To me the biggest user of RAM is by far Firefox, perhaps because I have quite a few extensions and normally 5 or so tabs open. 4 Gb RAM is to me not "only"... I run Windows Server 2012 in Virtualbox now and then and for sure, it aint fast but it works even though all my normal linux applications are running. Kind regards Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 09:48:36 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 11:48:36 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.13.2 in Trusty Message-ID: <53B7C9F4.3030609@gmail.com> Am not sure who came up with the idea of first introducing KDE 4.13.2 packages in kubuntu updates ppa and THEN now in trusty-updates ppa. Thereby awarding me an extra update of 340 Mb or so... /Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 10:19:50 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 12:19:50 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.13.2 in Trusty In-Reply-To: <53B7C9F4.3030609@gmail.com> References: <53B7C9F4.3030609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B7D146.9040708@gmail.com> On 05/07/2014 11:48, O. Sinclair wrote: > Am not sure who came up with the idea of first introducing KDE 4.13.2 > packages in kubuntu updates ppa and THEN now in trusty-updates ppa. > Thereby awarding me an extra update of 340 Mb or so... > > /Sinclair > that should read trusty-updates repository, not ppa From clay at claydoh.com Sat Jul 5 11:18:13 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 07:18:13 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.13.2 in Trusty In-Reply-To: <53B7D146.9040708@gmail.com> References: <53B7C9F4.3030609@gmail.com> <53B7D146.9040708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7893349.Zr0SGAe08e@lark-latitude-d630> On Saturday, July 05, 2014 12:19:50 PM O. Sinclair wrote: > On 05/07/2014 11:48, O. Sinclair wrote: > > Am not sure who came up with the idea of first introducing KDE 4.13.2 > > packages in kubuntu updates ppa and THEN now in trusty-updates ppa. > > Thereby awarding me an extra update of 340 Mb or so... > > > > /Sinclair > > that should read trusty-updates repository, not ppa Security update https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/1332064 http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-3494 -- Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com From clay at claydoh.com Sat Jul 5 11:26:34 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 07:26:34 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.13.2 in Trusty Message-ID: On Jul 5, 2014 7:18 AM, Clay Weber wrote: > > On Saturday, July 05, 2014 12:19:50 PM O. Sinclair wrote: > > On 05/07/2014 11:48, O. Sinclair wrote: > > > Am not sure who came up with the idea of first introducing KDE 4.13.2 > > > packages in kubuntu updates ppa and THEN now in trusty-updates ppa. > > > Thereby awarding me an extra update of 340 Mb or so... > > > > > > /Sinclair > > > > that should read trusty-updates repository, not ppa > > Security update > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/1332064 > http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-3494 > > -- To clarify, 4.13.2 packages were *already* in trusty-updates. Then the  security update necessitated new packages to be built. Clay From support at asiadigitalprivacy.net Sat Jul 5 11:55:14 2014 From: support at asiadigitalprivacy.net (support) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 19:55:14 +0800 Subject: [14.04 64Bit]-Mozilla Thunderbird High Memory Usage? In-Reply-To: References: <53B6BB71.6060803@GMail.com> Message-ID: <53B7E7A2.8060605@asiadigitalprivacy.net> Would agree .. using tbird with common extensions such as enigmail across multiple accounts gets me around 265 consistently. I'm OK with that. On 04/07/2014 23:10, Matthew Cliffe wrote: > Hay, > > Ill have a little go at helping, > > First do you have any extensions installed? These can use up silly > amounts of RAM. > > Also if you go here > https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Testing:Memory_Usage_Problems > > They say less than 250MB is acceptable and OK for an average user, I > assume an average user in this case only uses one email account so ... > im not sure but I would "say" that 260 ish isn't overly large. > > Cheers > Matt > > > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Jesse Palser > > wrote: > > Hi, > > Running Kubuntu 14.04 LTS 64Bit fully updated ("The Greatest OS In > The History Of Computers"). > I'm on a slow thin client with Intel Celeron Dual-Core CPU and > only 4GB DDR3 RAM. > I would like to run a Genuine copy of Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro > 32Bit in VMWare Player. > My problem is Mozilla Thunderbird email client takes much RAM > (~260MB ?). > The email client has just 4 email accounts and all are configured > for IMAP. > > Is ~260MB RAM usage normal for Mozilla Thunderbird email client? > I would like to dedicate 1.5GB to the VMWare Player Win 8.1 > Virtual Machine, > but I am concerned that there won't be enough RAM left for VM with > all my native apps running. > > ~260MB seems rather excessive RAM amount for a simple email client? > Any help would be appreciated, thanks! > > Jesse > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > -- > > Matthew Cliffe > > Daresbury Tel: (+44)01925864332 > Email: matthew.cliffe at stfc.ac.uk > > The Cockcroft Institute > Daresbury Laboratory > Daresbury Science & Innovation Campus > Daresbury > WA4 4AD > > Photon Physics Research Group > The University of Manchester > Room 2.323 Alan Turing Building > Oxford Road > Manchester > M13 9PL > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sinclair) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 15:45:08 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.13.2 in Trusty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53B80164.207@gmail.com> On 05/07/2014 13:26, Clay Weber wrote: > > On Jul 5, 2014 7:18 AM, Clay Weber wrote: >> >> On Saturday, July 05, 2014 12:19:50 PM O. Sinclair wrote: >>> On 05/07/2014 11:48, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> Am not sure who came up with the idea of first introducing KDE 4.13.2 >>>> packages in kubuntu updates ppa and THEN now in trusty-updates ppa. >>>> Thereby awarding me an extra update of 340 Mb or so... >>>> >>>> /Sinclair >>> >>> that should read trusty-updates repository, not ppa >> >> Security update >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/1332064 >> http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-3494 >> >> -- > > To clarify, 4.13.2 packages were *already* in trusty-updates. Then the security update necessitated new packages to be built. > > Clay > Just a little bit strange (..) to download over 300 Mb packages for a security update in one package /Sinclair From theuteck at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 16:25:24 2014 From: theuteck at gmail.com (theuteck at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 11:25:24 -0500 Subject: [14.04 64Bit] - Default Installation - No Swap Partition? In-Reply-To: <53B7FFF1.5010507@GMail.com> References: <53B7FFF1.5010507@GMail.com> Message-ID: <1447752.BfbogkIEco@allmine> Hello Jesse, You have 2 choices, use a partition tool to make some space and create a new swap partition, or use a swap file. The swap file will reside on the same partition as / and will not work for hibernation for a laptop I think, but it is not as risky as repartitioning, and if you only need it for VMWare, you can always reclaim space latter. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/ On Saturday, July 05, 2014 09:38:57 AM Jesse Palser wrote: > Hi, > > I installed Kubuntu 14.04 64Bit onto my thin client with 4GB DDR3 RAM. > I noticed that after a default installation that there was no swap > partition made? > Now VMware Player complains every time I run my Win 8.1 Pro 64Bit > Virtual Machine > that there is no Kubuntu swap partition? > > How can I make a swap partition after the Kubuntu 14.04 64Bit is already > installed? > Would like to have 2GB swap partition. > To make matters more complicated I have hard drive with LVM encryption > and my home partition is encrypted too. > > Simple instructions to make Kubuntu 2GB swap partition would be > appreciated, thanks! > > Jesse From stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org Sat Jul 5 18:24:01 2014 From: stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org (Stefan Fuhrmann) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 20:24:01 +0200 Subject: rsyslog not listen on socket udp 514 Message-ID: <5446491.jkxCqgnsbs@stefan-ubu-desktop> Hello all, I want to run a central syslog server on ubuntu 14.04. Rsyslog is installed and I uncommend the lines # provides UDP syslog reception $ModLoad imudp $UDPServerRun 514 Restart rsyslog netstat -an |grep 514 dont show a listen syslog. I searched around but can not find a solution. Can someone help? tia Stefan From kassube at gmx.net Sat Jul 5 19:24:17 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 21:24:17 +0200 Subject: rsyslog not listen on socket udp 514 In-Reply-To: <5446491.jkxCqgnsbs@stefan-ubu-desktop> References: <5446491.jkxCqgnsbs@stefan-ubu-desktop> Message-ID: <4125072.NLWZzl4TJm@p5915> Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: > I want to run a central syslog server on ubuntu 14.04. Rsyslog is > installed and I uncommend the lines > > # provides UDP syslog reception > $ModLoad imudp > $UDPServerRun 514 > > Restart rsyslog > netstat -an |grep 514 > > dont show a listen syslog. Did you also add a line like $AllowedSender UDP, *.lan, 192.168.2.0/24 to the config file? I'm not sure if it is necessary, but I suppose so because my machine running the syslog server should not be restricted and I have such a line in the config file. Nils From stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org Sun Jul 6 12:31:13 2014 From: stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org (Stefan Fuhrmann) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 14:31:13 +0200 Subject: rsyslog not listen on socket udp 514 In-Reply-To: <4125072.NLWZzl4TJm@p5915> References: <5446491.jkxCqgnsbs@stefan-ubu-desktop> <4125072.NLWZzl4TJm@p5915> Message-ID: <1755299.IBUPpVpljn@stefan-ubu-desktop> Hello Nils, Am Samstag, 5. Juli 2014, 21:24:17 schrieb Nils Kassube: > $AllowedSender UDP, *.lan, 192.168.2.0/24 I add the line but it does not help. It seems its only fo restriction not for running the daemon . Thanks for your help! other Ideas? regards Stefan From stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org Sun Jul 6 13:07:07 2014 From: stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org (Stefan Fuhrmann) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 15:07:07 +0200 Subject: (solved) rsyslog not listen on socket udp 514 In-Reply-To: <5446491.jkxCqgnsbs@stefan-ubu-desktop> References: <5446491.jkxCqgnsbs@stefan-ubu-desktop> Message-ID: <1874241.XTmHd323Mk@stefan-ubu-desktop> Hello all, I did an aptitude reinstall rsyslog and now its running: netstat -an |grep 514 udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:514 0.0.0.0:* udp6 0 0 :::514 :::* regards Stefan Am Samstag, 5. Juli 2014, 20:24:01 schrieb Stefan Fuhrmann: > Hello all, > > I want to run a central syslog server on ubuntu 14.04. Rsyslog is installed > and I uncommend the lines > > # provides UDP syslog reception > $ModLoad imudp > $UDPServerRun 514 > > Restart rsyslog > netstat -an |grep 514 > > dont show a listen syslog. > > I searched around but can not find a solution. > > Can someone help? > > tia > Stefan From kassube at gmx.net Sun Jul 6 13:56:18 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 15:56:18 +0200 Subject: rsyslog not listen on socket udp 514 In-Reply-To: <1755299.IBUPpVpljn@stefan-ubu-desktop> References: <5446491.jkxCqgnsbs@stefan-ubu-desktop> <4125072.NLWZzl4TJm@p5915> <1755299.IBUPpVpljn@stefan-ubu-desktop> Message-ID: <1971125.ZfMiOyOG0K@p5915> Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: > Am Samstag, 5. Juli 2014, 21:24:17 schrieb Nils Kassube: > > $AllowedSender UDP, *.lan, 192.168.2.0/24 > > I add the line but it does not help. It seems its only fo restriction > not for running the daemon . I checked on another machine and you are right. That line is not needed. But in your previous mail you wrote: | Restart rsyslog | netstat -an |grep 514 How did you restart rsyslog? If I use (as root) /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart it doesn't work but with service rsyslog restart it works for me. Nils From jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 00:04:57 2014 From: jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com (Jesse Palser) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:04:57 -0400 Subject: [14.04 64Bit] - Default Installation - No Swap Partition? In-Reply-To: <1447752.BfbogkIEco@allmine> References: <53B7FFF1.5010507@GMail.com> <1447752.BfbogkIEco@allmine> Message-ID: <53B9E429.80507@GMail.com> Hi, Thank you for the suggestions on how to make a swap file. I made a 2GB swap file on the system hard drive and it made a big impact on VMware Player Win 8.1 Pro 64Bit guest performance. Thanks again! P.S. Why does Kubuntu 14.04 LTS 64Bit installer not make swap partition by default? Jesse On 07/05/2014 12:25 PM, theuteck at gmail.com wrote: > Hello Jesse, > You have 2 choices, use a partition tool to make some space and create a new > swap partition, or use a swap file. The swap file will reside on the same > partition as / and will not work for hibernation for a laptop I think, but it > is not as risky as repartitioning, and if you only need it for VMWare, you can > always reclaim space latter. > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/ > > On Saturday, July 05, 2014 09:38:57 AM Jesse Palser wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I installed Kubuntu 14.04 64Bit onto my thin client with 4GB DDR3 RAM. >> I noticed that after a default installation that there was no swap >> partition made? >> Now VMware Player complains every time I run my Win 8.1 Pro 64Bit >> Virtual Machine >> that there is no Kubuntu swap partition? >> >> How can I make a swap partition after the Kubuntu 14.04 64Bit is already >> installed? >> Would like to have 2GB swap partition. >> To make matters more complicated I have hard drive with LVM encryption >> and my home partition is encrypted too. >> >> Simple instructions to make Kubuntu 2GB swap partition would be >> appreciated, thanks! >> >> Jesse > From stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org Tue Jul 8 11:15:55 2014 From: stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org (Stefan Fuhrmann) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 13:15:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: (solved)rsyslog not listen on socket udp 514 In-Reply-To: <1971125.ZfMiOyOG0K@p5915> References: <5446491.jkxCqgnsbs@stefan-ubu-desktop> <4125072.NLWZzl4TJm@p5915> <1755299.IBUPpVpljn@stefan-ubu-desktop> <1971125.ZfMiOyOG0K@p5915> Message-ID: <565838747.695.1404818155615.JavaMail.zimbra@fuhrmann.homedns.org> Hello All, I did a reinstall and it is working now. Dont know why..?! thanks for all your help!! regards Stefan ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- > Von: "Nils Kassube" > An: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Juli 2014 15:56:18 > Betreff: Re: rsyslog not listen on socket udp 514 > Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: > > Am Samstag, 5. Juli 2014, 21:24:17 schrieb Nils Kassube: > > > $AllowedSender UDP, *.lan, 192.168.2.0/24 > > > > I add the line but it does not help. It seems its only fo restriction > > not for running the daemon . > I checked on another machine and you are right. That line is not needed. > But in your previous mail you wrote: > | Restart rsyslog > | netstat -an |grep 514 > How did you restart rsyslog? If I use (as root) > /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart > it doesn't work but with > service rsyslog restart > it works for me. > Nils > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clay at claydoh.com Tue Jul 8 17:16:29 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 13:16:29 -0400 Subject: (solved)rsyslog not listen on socket udp 514 In-Reply-To: <565838747.695.1404818155615.JavaMail.zimbra@fuhrmann.homedns.org> References: <5446491.jkxCqgnsbs@stefan-ubu-desktop> <1971125.ZfMiOyOG0K@p5915> <565838747.695.1404818155615.JavaMail.zimbra@fuhrmann.homedns.org> Message-ID: <58537289.HRi9rPhT5S@lark-latitude-d630> On Tuesday, July 08, 2014 01:15:55 PM Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: > Hello All, > > I did a reinstall and it is working now. Dont know why..?! > > thanks for all your help!! > > regards > Stefan > > > > > > > service rsyslog restart > > > > it works for me. > > > > Nils > > The post-installation scripts in the package would call this or a similar command to start or restart the service. -- Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com From jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 01:02:44 2014 From: jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com (Jesse Palser) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 21:02:44 -0400 Subject: [14.04 64Bit] Transparent Blurred Window Title Bars? Message-ID: <53BC94B4.6010302@GMail.com> Hi, I am running current Kubuntu 14.04 LTS 64Bit fully updated on a desktop with an nVidia GeForce GTS 450 1GB GDDR5 card and nVidia proprietary drivers. I am trying to make just Kubuntu window title bars transparent and blurred like Windows 7 "Aero". I've done quite a bit of research on the Internet using Google but have not found a solution. I know it's possible to do the above because the system's bottom panel has such an effect using "Oxygen" desktop theme. How can I make Kubuntu 14.04 LTS 64Bit window title bars transparent and blurred? Thanks in advance! Jesse From jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 14:21:50 2014 From: jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com (Jesse Palser) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 10:21:50 -0400 Subject: [14.04 64Bit] Transparent Blurred Window Title Bars? In-Reply-To: <53BC94B4.6010302@GMail.com> References: <53BC94B4.6010302@GMail.com> Message-ID: <53BD4FFE.8090602@GMail.com> Hi, I also asked on the forums and got an answer here: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?65869-Transparent-And-Blured-Window-Title-Bars Jesse On 07/08/2014 09:02 PM, Jesse Palser wrote: > Hi, > > I am running current Kubuntu 14.04 LTS 64Bit fully updated > on a desktop with an nVidia GeForce GTS 450 1GB GDDR5 card and nVidia > proprietary drivers. > > I am trying to make just Kubuntu window title bars transparent and > blurred like Windows 7 "Aero". > I've done quite a bit of research on the Internet using Google but > have not found a solution. > I know it's possible to do the above because the system's bottom panel > has such an effect using "Oxygen" desktop theme. > > How can I make Kubuntu 14.04 LTS 64Bit window title bars transparent > and blurred? > Thanks in advance! > > Jesse > From clay at claydoh.com Wed Jul 9 14:48:04 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 10:48:04 -0400 Subject: [14.04 64Bit] Transparent Blurred Window Title Bars? In-Reply-To: <53BD4FFE.8090602@GMail.com> References: <53BC94B4.6010302@GMail.com> <53BD4FFE.8090602@GMail.com> Message-ID: <9559558.7PsCvBLFSp@lark-latitude-d630> On Wednesday, July 09, 2014 10:21:50 AM Jesse Palser wrote: > Hi, > > I also asked on the forums and got an answer here: > https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?65869-Transparent-And-Blured-Wi > ndow-Title-Bars > > Jesse > Yeah, I am everywhere ;) -- Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com From chris at marlows.org Thu Jul 10 16:29:13 2014 From: chris at marlows.org (c. marlow) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:29:13 -0500 Subject: I hope I can post here Message-ID: <147211b7710.-5813102991612134539.-7429456345354210515@marlows.org> Hello, I am using MINT 17 KDE... But since its based on Kubuntu I am hoping I can post here for simple questions! Thanks, Christopher USA. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Jul 10 16:45:56 2014 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:45:56 -0400 Subject: I hope I can post here In-Reply-To: <147211b7710.-5813102991612134539.-7429456345354210515@marlows.org> References: <147211b7710.-5813102991612134539.-7429456345354210515@marlows.org> Message-ID: <53BEC344.5000203@bmarsh.com> On 07/10/2014 12:29 PM, c. marlow wrote: > Hello, > > I am using MINT 17 KDE... But since its based on Kubuntu I am hoping I can post here for simple questions! > > Thanks, > Christopher > USA. You're welcome here even if you are running "cookie jar" linux. -- "If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest drown too?" From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Jul 10 17:00:44 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:00:44 -0500 Subject: I hope I can post here In-Reply-To: <147211b7710.-5813102991612134539.-7429456345354210515@marlows.org> References: <147211b7710.-5813102991612134539.-7429456345354210515@marlows.org> Message-ID: <53BEC6BC.8020204@swbell.net> On 07/10/2014 11:29 AM, c. marlow wrote: > Hello, > > I am using MINT 17 KDE... But since its based on Kubuntu I am hoping I can post here for simple questions! > > Thanks, > Christopher > USA. > > > You just did. -- Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From chris at marlows.org Thu Jul 10 17:34:35 2014 From: chris at marlows.org (c. marlow) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:34:35 -0500 Subject: I hope I can post here In-Reply-To: <53BEC344.5000203@bmarsh.com> References: <147211b7710.-5813102991612134539.-7429456345354210515@marlows.org> <53BEC344.5000203@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <53BECEAB.1000709@marlows.org> On 07/10/2014 11:45 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On 07/10/2014 12:29 PM, c. marlow wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am using MINT 17 KDE... But since its based on Kubuntu I am hoping >> I can post here for simple questions! >> >> Thanks, >> Christopher >> USA. > > You're welcome here even if you are running "cookie jar" linux. Cookie Jar? Christopher > > From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Thu Jul 10 17:50:13 2014 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:50:13 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint Message-ID: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> I see by the email that a Mint question is welcome here--that's good, since I got no answer from librelist, which I believe is their mailing list. So: I have just opened up Mint KDE with the intention of using it--it has been installed for a while now--and I realize that Thunderbird does not seem to be readily available. I have downloaded the compacted file from the Internet and decrypted it, but now I don't know what to do next. It is a whole slew of files. How do I go about installing this? Please do not suggest that I use some other mail system. I have been committed to Thunderbird for several years after being badly burned by a Linux mail system and I do not intend to let that happen again. Thanx for your assistance--doug From chris at marlows.org Thu Jul 10 18:53:22 2014 From: chris at marlows.org (c. marlow) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:53:22 -0500 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> Message-ID: <53BEE122.7000102@marlows.org> On 07/10/2014 12:50 PM, Doug wrote: > I see by the email that a Mint question is welcome here--that's good, > since I got no answer from librelist, which I believe is their mailing > list. So: > > I have just opened up Mint KDE with the intention of using it--it has > been installed for a while now--and I realize that Thunderbird does > not seem to be readily available. > I have downloaded the compacted file from the Internet and decrypted > it, but now I don't know what to do next. It is a whole slew of files. > How do I go about installing this? > > Please do not suggest that I use some other mail system. I have been > committed to Thunderbird for several years after being badly burned by > a Linux mail system and I > do not intend to let that happen again. > > Thanx for your assistance--doug > Hi doug, Does Sudo apt-get install thunderbird not work? or installing from the repos / app center aka Muon? your doing from a .tar file I take it? Christopher From kassube at gmx.net Thu Jul 10 18:54:50 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:54:50 +0200 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> Message-ID: <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> Doug wrote: > I have just opened up Mint KDE with the intention of using it--it has > been installed for a while now--and I realize that Thunderbird does > not seem to be readily available. > I have downloaded the compacted file from the Internet and decrypted > it, but now I don't know what to do next. It is a whole slew of > files. How do I go about installing this? I'm not sure what you mean by "I have downloaded the compacted file from the Internet". Do you mean you have downloaded the file from the Thunderbird site? Then I think it would be much easier to use the Thunderbird version coming from the Kubuntu/Ubuntu repositories. If Mint doesn't use the Ubuntu repositories, you could download the thunderbird packages from . Then you would simply install the .deb package(s). OTOH, you could first check if you could install it from your standard repositories. If the GUI package manager doesn't show it, you can try it with the command apt-cache policy thunderbird in a terminal (konsole). If that shows something like this thunderbird: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:24.6.0+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 Version table: 1:24.6.0+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 0 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main amd64 Packages 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security/main amd64 Packages 1:24.4.0+build1-0ubuntu1 0 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages then it is available from the standard repository and you can install it with this command: sudo apt-get install thunderbird Nils From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 20:04:55 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 22:04:55 +0200 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> Message-ID: <1405022695.2356.20.camel@archlinux> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:54 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > apt-cache policy thunderbird > sudo apt-get install thunderbird The OP needs to update the package lists from the repositories. sudo -i apt-get update apt-cache policy thunderbird apt-get install thunderbird From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Thu Jul 10 20:16:30 2014 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:16:30 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> Message-ID: <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> On 07/10/2014 02:54 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Doug wrote: >> I have just opened up Mint KDE with the intention of using it--it has >> been installed for a while now--and I realize that Thunderbird does >> not seem to be readily available. >> I have downloaded the compacted file from the Internet and decrypted >> it, but now I don't know what to do next. It is a whole slew of >> files. How do I go about installing this? > I'm not sure what you mean by "I have downloaded the compacted file from > the Internet". Do you mean you have downloaded the file from the > Thunderbird site? Then I think it would be much easier to use the > Thunderbird version coming from the Kubuntu/Ubuntu repositories. If Mint > doesn't use the Ubuntu repositories, you could download the thunderbird > packages from . Then you would simply > install the .deb package(s). OTOH, you could first check if you could > install it from your standard repositories. If the GUI package manager > doesn't show it, you can try it with the command > > apt-cache policy thunderbird > > in a terminal (konsole). If that shows something like this > > thunderbird: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 1:24.6.0+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 > Version table: > 1:24.6.0+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 0 > 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main amd64 Packages > 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security/main amd64 Packages > 1:24.4.0+build1-0ubuntu1 0 > 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages > > then it is available from the standard repository and you can install it > with this command: > > sudo apt-get install thunderbird > > > Nils > Thank you, Nils. I downloaded the file from the Mozilla site, as a .tar.bz and unpacked it. I think your information from the Ubuntu world is going to make my life a lot easier. My first shot was to look for T/B in the G UI package manager, where it was not found, and my second was the sudo apt-get install routine, which also bombed. So that's why my message. (I'm obviously not responding from Mint, since I don't have email there as yet.) --doug From littlergirl at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 20:46:24 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:46:24 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> Message-ID: <53befba0.037a320a.18e7.2679@mx.google.com> Hey there, Doug wrote: [SNIP] > My first shot was to look for T/B in the G UI package manager, > where it was not found, It's possible Mint doesn't have Thunderbird in its repositories, although I could have sworn Mint uses the Ubuntu repositories. Do you have all the updates Mint suggests you should install? > and my second was the sudo apt-get install routine, which also > bombed. Apparently you don't use sudo in Mint. Try this instead: apt-get install thunderbird > So that's why my message. (I'm obviously not responding from Mint, > since I don't have email there as yet.) What happens when you type this in a terminal window and press the enter key? thunderbird This is displayed when I type that command in Kubuntu: The program 'thunderbird' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install thunderbird You would get a different message since your operating system doesn't use sudo, but it might display a helpful message. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 21:02:14 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:02:14 +0200 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1405026134.2356.24.camel@archlinux> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 16:16 -0400, Doug wrote: > My first shot was to look for T/B in the G UI > package manager, where it was not found What's the name of the GUI you're using? If you shouldn't know, there likely is a menu "Help", if so take a look at "About". Assumed you're using Synaptic, have you ever run "Reload"? Is there some software that automatically upgrades? have you ever run an upgrade after updating the package lists of the repositories? > and my second was the sudo apt-get install routine, which also bombed. Please post the output of apt-get install. If the output by default shouldn't be in English run sudo -i apt-get update LANG=C apt-get install thunderbird (or LC_ALL=C apt-get install thunderbird) If it's in English by default sudo -i apt-get update apt-get install thunderbird Did you ever run sudo -i apt-get update apt-get upgrade To upgrade all installed packages and not only the package lists? Regards, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 21:07:12 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:07:12 +0200 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <53befba0.037a320a.18e7.2679@mx.google.com> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> <53befba0.037a320a.18e7.2679@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1405026432.2356.26.camel@archlinux> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 16:46 -0400, Little Girl wrote: > Apparently you don't use sudo in Mint. If so the OP should replace the sudo -i command by su , resp. run su and not add a sudo command before an apt command. From kassube at gmx.net Thu Jul 10 21:16:47 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:16:47 +0200 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1446215.iPFlj7VN9S@p5915> Doug wrote: > On 07/10/2014 02:54 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > > Doug wrote: > >> I have just opened up Mint KDE with the intention of using it--it > >> has > >> been installed for a while now--and I realize that Thunderbird does > >> not seem to be readily available. > >> I have downloaded the compacted file from the Internet and > >> decrypted > >> it, but now I don't know what to do next. It is a whole slew of > >> files. How do I go about installing this? > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "I have downloaded the compacted file > > from the Internet". Do you mean you have downloaded the file from > > the Thunderbird site? Then I think it would be much easier to use > > the Thunderbird version coming from the Kubuntu/Ubuntu > > repositories. If Mint doesn't use the Ubuntu repositories, you > > could download the thunderbird packages from > > . Then you would simply install the > > .deb package(s). > Thank you, Nils. I downloaded the file from the Mozilla site, as a > .tar.bz and unpacked it. I think your information from the Ubuntu > world is going to make my life a lot easier. My first shot was to > look for T/B in the G UI package manager, where it was not found, and > my second was the sudo apt-get install routine, which also bombed. So > that's why my message. OK, so you obviously tried it already from the standard repos. Then there is still the option of which I mentioned above. Of course you would need to know the Kubuntu version which your Mint version is based upon so that you can select the right packages. But if that all doesn't work, there is still the question what to do with the file downloaded from the Mozilla site. I'm not familiar with that Thunderbird version, but usually there should be a file "README" and / or "INSTALL" in the directory which is probably created when you unpacked the *.tar.bz2 file. There should be an instruction how to proceed. Nils From dave at thefletchers.net Thu Jul 10 21:25:27 2014 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 22:25:27 +0100 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <53befba0.037a320a.18e7.2679@mx.google.com> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> <53befba0.037a320a.18e7.2679@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1405027527.2456.7.camel@Tosh-NB520> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 16:46 -0400, Little Girl wrote: > Hey there, > > Doug wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > My first shot was to look for T/B in the G UI package manager, > > where it was not found, > > It's possible Mint doesn't have Thunderbird in its repositories, > although I could have sworn Mint uses the Ubuntu repositories. Do you > have all the updates Mint suggests you should install? Using my Mint 17 64, Mate, netbook:- dave at Tosh-NB520:~$ aptitude search thunder i thunderbird - Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter p thunderbird:i386 - Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter p thunderbird-dbg - Email, RSS and newsgroup client - debug symbols p thunderbird-dbg:i386 - Email, RSS and newsgroup client - debug symbols p thunderbird-dev - Email, RSS and newsgroup client - development files p thunderbird-dev:i386 - Email, RSS and newsgroup client - development files v thunderbird-enigmail and so on, for several more pages........ -- Lisa Simpson:- "They must have programmed it to eliminate the competition." Bart Simpson:- "You mean like Microsoft?" From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Thu Jul 10 22:13:11 2014 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:13:11 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <1405026432.2356.26.camel@archlinux> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> <53befba0.037a320a.18e7.2679@mx.google.com> <1405026432.2356.26.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <53BF0FF7.6090305@optonline.net> On 07/10/2014 05:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 16:46 -0400, Little Girl wrote: >> Apparently you don't use sudo in Mint. > If so the OP should replace the sudo -i command by su , resp. run su > and not add a sudo command before an apt command. > > > I don't remember if I used sudo or su, but I do know that if sudo wouldn't work, it would tell me, and I would use su. Still reading the mail on another system, of course. --doug From littlergirl at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 22:31:38 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:31:38 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <1405027527.2456.7.camel@Tosh-NB520> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> <53befba0.037a320a.18e7.2679@mx.google.com> <1405027527.2456.7.camel@Tosh-NB520> Message-ID: <53bf144c.4370320a.552e.000f@mx.google.com> Hey there, David Fletcher wrote: > Using my Mint 17 64, Mate, netbook:- > dave at Tosh-NB520:~$ aptitude search thunder > i thunderbird - Email, > RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter > p thunderbird:i386 - Email, > RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter > p thunderbird-dbg - Email, > RSS and newsgroup client - debug symbols > p thunderbird-dbg:i386 - Email, > RSS and newsgroup client - debug symbols > p thunderbird-dev - Email, > RSS and newsgroup client - development files > p thunderbird-dev:i386 - Email, > RSS and newsgroup client - development files > v thunderbird-enigmail > and so on, for several more pages........ I don't have any experience with aptitude, but it looks to me like Thunderbird is installed on your machine (if that's what the i is for). (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From dave at thefletchers.net Thu Jul 10 22:44:26 2014 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:44:26 +0100 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <53bf144c.4370320a.552e.000f@mx.google.com> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> <53befba0.037a320a.18e7.2679@mx.google.com> <1405027527.2456.7.camel@Tosh-NB520> <53bf144c.4370320a.552e.000f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1405032266.5151.4.camel@Tosh-NB520> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 18:31 -0400, Little Girl wrote: > Hey there, > > I don't have any experience with aptitude, but it looks to me like > Thunderbird is installed on your machine (if that's what the i is > for). (: > Yes you are correct. It was installed but now it's been purged. I'm still gradually fettling this machine, got it connecting to my Garmin Etrex Legend a couple of evenings ago, now I've got rid of an email client that I really don't like. I use Evolution, BTW Dave -- Lisa Simpson:- "They must have programmed it to eliminate the competition." Bart Simpson:- "You mean like Microsoft?" From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Thu Jul 10 22:46:02 2014 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:46:02 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <1446215.iPFlj7VN9S@p5915> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> <1446215.iPFlj7VN9S@p5915> Message-ID: <53BF17AA.1090008@optonline.net> On 07/10/2014 05:16 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Doug wrote: /snip/ >>> > OK, so you obviously tried it already from the standard repos. Then > there is still the option of which I > mentioned above. Of course you would need to know the Kubuntu version > which your Mint version is based upon so that you can select the right > packages. > > Nils > > Thanks to all who so kindly responded. I am writing this from Mint 16 KDE 64, using Thunderbird, which I installed from the ubuntu repo you mentioned above. I put it in the repo line in Synaptic (a system I am familiar with) and then looked for T/B in the listing, and sure enough, there it was, so I installed it. (I am aware that there is a newer version of Mint, but I'm not sure i want it. I think it may not support KDE anymore, in which case, I know I don't! Also may be snarled up in systemd, which already has a bad rep!) --doug From chris at marlows.org Fri Jul 11 01:37:20 2014 From: chris at marlows.org (c. marlow) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:37:20 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! Message-ID: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> Hello folks! I was trying to let my little cousin get on the computer and I went to switch users and it popped up saying you know you can use F 7-8-9 to switch accounts and I hit ok and dont show me this again and when I would go to switch back to me, my user name, my screen would just be black and there would be a cursor on my screen. finally I just got frustrated with Linux Mint and just turned the computer off and back on and now its working fine. I have the nvidia driver downloaded from the ADDITIONAL DRIVERS. 331.xxx or something like that. Its been installed ( the driver) since this morning. And yes I am fully up to date, and YES I rebooted after I installed the drivers, both updates and for the nvidia drivers. I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine sooon!!! This is a brand new install of MINT 17... Just downloaded / installed it last night. around this time... Its 8:36 PM CDT ( Central Daylight time) as I write this. Thanks, Christopher USA. From littlergirl at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 02:56:37 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 22:56:37 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <53BF17AA.1090008@optonline.net> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <2420760.7egJHG2trA@p5915> <53BEF49E.2060403@optonline.net> <1446215.iPFlj7VN9S@p5915> <53BF17AA.1090008@optonline.net> Message-ID: <53bf5265.5127320a.4579.2064@mx.google.com> Hey there, Doug wrote: [SNIP] > Thanks to all who so kindly responded. I am writing this from Mint > 16 KDE 64, using Thunderbird, which I installed from the ubuntu > repo you mentioned above. > I put it in the repo line in Synaptic (a system I am familiar with) > and then looked for T/B in the listing, and sure enough, there it > was, so I installed it. Yay, a happy ending! (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 03:00:32 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:00:32 +0200 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> Message-ID: <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: > I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired > of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine > sooon!!! Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are different from Windows user needs. From littlergirl at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 03:08:21 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:08:21 -0400 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> Message-ID: <53bf5523.037a320a.6b4f.263c@mx.google.com> Hey there, c. marlow wrote: > I was trying to let my little cousin get on the computer and I went > to switch users and it popped up saying you know you can use F > 7-8-9 to switch accounts and I hit ok and dont show me this again > and when I would go to switch back to me, my user name, my screen > would just be black and there would be a cursor on my screen. Those sound like TTY sessions. I wrote a page on those if you'd like to learn more about them: http://mostlylinux.wordpress.com/troubleshooting/ttysessions/ > finally I just got frustrated with Linux Mint and just turned the > computer off and back on and now its working fine. I have the > nvidia driver downloaded from the ADDITIONAL DRIVERS. 331.xxx or > something like that. Its been installed ( the driver) since this > morning. And yes I am fully up to date, and YES I rebooted after I > installed the drivers, both updates and for the nvidia drivers. I'm not sure how things are done in Mint, but in Kubuntu you only need to reboot if a notification tells you to. It sounds like you have things in order now, though. (: > I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... > Tired of reformatting. I'm sorry to hear that you're having a bad experience. Reformatting should only be a last resort if nothing else works. Hopefully you can get help in here or in the forums or in IRC or in the wiki so that won't be necessary in the future. Have you tried Ubuntu any of its derivatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, etc.)? > Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine sooon!!! Maybe you could have both on your machine, and play around with Linux on the side to get to know it gradually. That's how many of us started (myself included). (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From chris at marlows.org Fri Jul 11 04:00:53 2014 From: chris at marlows.org (c. marlow) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:00:53 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> On 07/10/2014 10:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired >> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine >> sooon!!! > Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish > distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your > requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being > self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better > choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's > not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are > different from Windows user needs. 1. this computer came with Kubuntu ( pre built) was kinda thrown together for me by some friends. Lots of things dont work on it... CD ROM etc.... 2. LM is based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS and was told it was ok to post here since it is based on Kubuntu. > > From juan.r.d.silva at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 04:08:55 2014 From: juan.r.d.silva at gmail.com (Juan R. de Silva) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 04:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: switching users... forget it! References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:00:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired >> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine >> sooon!!! > > Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish > distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your > requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being > self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better > choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's > not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are > different from Windows user needs. I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was no need to reply to him at all. If OP is just a frustrated newbie, which also might be the case, then you were unreasonably and senselessly rude. Mentoring in a such tone is counterproductive and not helpful at all. E.g. I praise Little Girl approach instead. Sorry, if my comment touches your feelings. From chris at marlows.org Fri Jul 11 04:13:42 2014 From: chris at marlows.org (c. marlow) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:13:42 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:00:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: > >> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired > >> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine > >> sooon!!! > > > > Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish > > distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your > > requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being > > self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better > > choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's > > not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are > > different from Windows user needs. > > I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was no need to reply > to him at all. > > If OP is just a frustrated newbie, which also might be the case, then you > were unreasonably and senselessly rude. Mentoring in a such tone is > counterproductive and not helpful at all. E.g. I praise Little Girl > approach instead. > > Sorry, if my comment touches your feelings. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users 1. not a troll 2. yes frustrated a bit 3. was just saying / stating that it went bonkers on me... Wasnt being trollish. From clay at claydoh.com Fri Jul 11 04:33:38 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:33:38 -0400 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> Message-ID: <1459853.yG5tS06kWy@lark-latitude-d630> On Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:13:42 PM c. marlow wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Juan R. de Silva > > wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:00:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: > > >> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired > > >> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine > > >> sooon!!! > > > > > > Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish > > > distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your > > > requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being > > > self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better > > > choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's > > > not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are > > > different from Windows user needs. > > > > I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was no need to reply > > to him at all. > > > > If OP is just a frustrated newbie, which also might be the case, then you > > were unreasonably and senselessly rude. Mentoring in a such tone is > > counterproductive and not helpful at all. E.g. I praise Little Girl > > approach instead. > > > > Sorry, if my comment touches your feelings. > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > 1. not a troll > > 2. yes frustrated a bit > > 3. was just saying / stating that it went bonkers on me... Wasnt being > trollish. No I didn't detect trollishness, but we all can understand your frustration since we have all been there at some point. Do feel free to post here. Mint *is* Kubuntu after all, but there are some differences in the programs each one uses, as well as some of the desktop default settings. Anything done in one is done in the same fashion in the other. Also, there are plenty of additional user help resources between Mint and Kubuntu that one can try as well as this list, such as Mint's forums and http://kubuntuforums.net. I do hope you can keep your Linux box. While Linux is *not* Windows, it definitely can be a replacement for it. Heck it can live alongside it in a dual boot. I find it fun, myself, and almost never use the command line, and then because I want to. -- Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 05:24:32 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:24:32 +0200 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> Message-ID: <1405056272.11944.2.camel@archlinux> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 23:00 -0500, c. marlow wrote: > 2. LM is based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS and was told it was ok to post here > since it is based on Kubuntu. It's ok, but it's not smart trying to solve an issue on a freakish Linux distro and asking for help on another distro's mailing list. What does "based" on Kubuntu mean? I suspect they "customized" Kubuntu. Kubuntu is based on Debain. Arch Linux and Debian are based on Linux, but they are completely different distros, while Debian, Kubuntu and Mint are quasi the same family, they anyway aren't the same distros. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 05:27:06 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:27:06 +0200 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1405056426.11944.4.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 04:08 +0000, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:00:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: > >> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired > >> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine > >> sooon!!! > > > > Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish > > distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your > > requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being > > self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better > > choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's > > not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are > > different from Windows user needs. > > I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was no need to reply > to him at all. > > If OP is just a frustrated newbie, which also might be the case, then you > were unreasonably and senselessly rude. Mentoring in a such tone is > counterproductive and not helpful at all. E.g. I praise Little Girl > approach instead. > > Sorry, if my comment touches your feelings. Where have I been unreasonably and senselessly rude? I just mention facts, to make clear that Linux can't be handled as a nanny OS like Windows. From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Fri Jul 11 05:55:38 2014 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:55:38 -0400 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <1405056426.11944.4.camel@archlinux> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <1405056426.11944.4.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <53BF7C5A.2040904@optonline.net> On 07/11/2014 01:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 04:08 +0000, Juan R. de Silva wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:00:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >>>> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired >>>> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine >>>> sooon!!! >>> Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish >>> distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your >>> requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being >>> self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better >>> choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's >>> not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are >>> different from Windows user needs. >> I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was no need to reply >> to him at all. >> >> If OP is just a frustrated newbie, which also might be the case, then you >> were unreasonably and senselessly rude. Mentoring in a such tone is >> counterproductive and not helpful at all. E.g. I praise Little Girl >> approach instead. >> >> Sorry, if my comment touches your feelings. > Where have I been unreasonably and senselessly rude? I just mention > facts, to make clear that Linux can't be handled as a nanny OS like > Windows. > > Just try and get some help for a Windows problem like you can get for most Linux distros! Did you ever unzip an app with a batch of files in it in Windows and then try to find the files? Good luck! Or you are using a mail program and you want to attach a file. Where the devil is the file? The file finding routine in Windows expects you to OPEN the file to work on it, not copy it. Now it has opened the file. But where is it??? Oh, yes--how many times have you fought viruses and other malware with your Windows machine? I bet you have _conduit_ on your Windows machine right now! Good luck trying to get rid of it! I would never go so far as to delete Windows--there are some programs that just don't exist in Linux. AutoCAD. sdr#. WordPerfect. Just to name three that come to mind instantly. But I would guess that I spend 95% of my computing time on Linux, because I can't stand the frustration in Windows! --doug From support at asiadigitalprivacy.net Fri Jul 11 07:28:20 2014 From: support at asiadigitalprivacy.net (support) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:28:20 +0800 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <1405056426.11944.4.camel@archlinux> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <1405056426.11944.4.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <53BF9214.3010907@asiadigitalprivacy.net> On 11/07/2014 13:27, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 04:08 +0000, Juan R. de Silva wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:00:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >>>> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired >>>> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine >>>> sooon!!! >>> Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish >>> distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your >>> requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being >>> self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better >>> choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's >>> not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are >>> different from Windows user needs. >> I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was no need to reply >> to him at all. >> >> If OP is just a frustrated newbie, which also might be the case, then you >> were unreasonably and senselessly rude. Mentoring in a such tone is >> counterproductive and not helpful at all. E.g. I praise Little Girl >> approach instead. >> >> Sorry, if my comment touches your feelings. > Where have I been unreasonably and senselessly rude? I just mention > facts, to make clear that Linux can't be handled as a nanny OS like > Windows. > > Ralf, I think the point made above wasn't that your statement is wrong. Far from it ... anyone wanting a nanny OS should be on OSX or Windows. However, newbie shows up with problem - until and if they are confirmed trolling, a best community response is to point them to help, ask questions about how they might provide better info for us to help, or help them directly with some tips. I say this as a relative n00b who primariy chooses linux distros based on community friendliness. treat it as helpful feedback and not a rebuke ... hey I killed my osx and windows and knew what I was getting into. NO NANNY OS ... you are right , let's just not make it the first response to questions / statements of frustration. Does that help? All the best. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 07:28:29 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:28:29 +0200 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> Message-ID: <53BF921D.7020509@gmail.com> On 11/07/2014 06:00, c. marlow wrote: > > On 07/10/2014 10:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >>> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired >>> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine >>> sooon!!! >> Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish >> distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your >> requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being >> self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better >> choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's >> not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are >> different from Windows user needs. > > 1. this computer came with Kubuntu ( pre built) was kinda thrown > together for me by some friends. Lots of things dont work on it... CD > ROM etc.... > > 2. LM is based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS and was told it was ok to post here > since it is based on Kubuntu. > >> >> > > From how I do with my kids in Kubuntu (not Mint): Clearly first off all the user has to be created and whatever "rights" you want to give it defined. For example I restrict sudo/adm rights and sometimes internet. Password set and so on 1. choose "switch user" on whatever menu system you are using 2. wait for login prompt for users, choose your cousin/kids/whatever once he/she/they/it are done let them log off and you should be back in your session Have only bothered with tty session when "stuck in a corner" after bad installation/upgrade Kind regards Sinclair From cody.smith9202 at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 07:42:50 2014 From: cody.smith9202 at gmail.com (Cody Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:42:50 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53BF9214.3010907@asiadigitalprivacy.net> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <1405056426.11944.4.camel@archlinux> <53BF9214.3010907@asiadigitalprivacy.net> Message-ID: As has been said, ctrl+f# gets you to a tty, pure command line. That's not the way to switch users with a GUI, how you do so is to go to the menu in KDE, and search for an entry labelled "log out" or something similar (that varies depending on the menu you use), not all that hard once you know where to start. 😊 Ralph, next time, instead of scolding users for preconceptions, simply help them if they don't seem like a troll. If they do seem like a troll, simply ignore them. On Jul 11, 2014 12:29 AM, "support" wrote: > > On 11/07/2014 13:27, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 04:08 +0000, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:00:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: > >>>> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired > >>>> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine > >>>> sooon!!! > >>> Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish > >>> distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your > >>> requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of > being > >>> self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the > better > >>> choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, > it's > >>> not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are > >>> different from Windows user needs. > >> I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was no need to > reply > >> to him at all. > >> > >> If OP is just a frustrated newbie, which also might be the case, then > you > >> were unreasonably and senselessly rude. Mentoring in a such tone is > >> counterproductive and not helpful at all. E.g. I praise Little Girl > >> approach instead. > >> > >> Sorry, if my comment touches your feelings. > > Where have I been unreasonably and senselessly rude? I just mention > > facts, to make clear that Linux can't be handled as a nanny OS like > > Windows. > > > > > Ralf, I think the point made above wasn't that your statement is wrong. > Far from it ... anyone wanting a nanny OS should be on OSX or Windows. > However, newbie shows up with problem - until and if they are confirmed > trolling, a best community response is to point them to help, ask > questions about how they might provide better info for us to help, or > help them directly with some tips. > > I say this as a relative n00b who primariy chooses linux distros based > on community friendliness. > > treat it as helpful feedback and not a rebuke ... hey I killed my osx > and windows and knew what I was getting into. NO NANNY OS ... you are > right , let's just not make it the first response to questions / > statements of frustration. > > Does that help? > > All the best. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Fri Jul 11 08:48:54 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 10:48:54 +0200 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <53BF17AA.1090008@optonline.net> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <1446215.iPFlj7VN9S@p5915> <53BF17AA.1090008@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1805153.67fi1uMnc0@p5915> Doug wrote: > (I am aware that there is a newer version of Mint, but I'm not sure i > want it. > I think it may not support KDE anymore, in which case, I know I > don't! Also may be snarled up in systemd, which already has a bad > rep!) Mint 17 has a KDE version - it was reported by Heise recently: . And I think you can't avoid systemd for long except by keeping the old system. Nils From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 11:03:07 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:03:07 +0200 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <1405056426.11944.4.camel@archlinux> <53BF9214.3010907@asiadigitalprivacy.net> Message-ID: <1405076587.837.12.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 00:42 -0700, Cody Smith wrote: > As has been said, ctrl+f# gets you to a tty, pure command line. That's > not the way to switch users with a GUI, how you do so is to go to the > menu in KDE, and search for an entry labelled "log out" or something > similar (that varies depending on the menu you use), not all that hard > once you know where to start. 😊 > > Ralph, next time, instead of scolding users for preconceptions, simply > help them if they don't seem like a troll. If they do seem like a > troll, simply ignore them. JFTR Does the OP want to run a complete X session as another user, than yes, there's the need to log out and in, if the OP wants to run just an application as another user, it can be done like this: Assumed the X session does run for user A and the app should run for user B. xhost + ; gksudo -u B firefox Firefox provides to use different profiles, but perhaps the OP wants to run a kid protection session and wishes that a password is required to run a firefox profile for adults, than changing the user instead of only using a profile is a way to go. Sure, there are reasons to completely log in as another user. With Ctrl+Alt+F-keys it's possible to switch between different user sessions when just a terminal is needed. This shouldn't result in a blank screen, but a screen with a black background color and a prompt. But again, Linux provides manifoldness, it's important not to switch from one to the other distro, it's important to learn, at least to learn how to ask smart questions. If we never mention this, then users never will learn. Linux can not be used in a way a restricted OS such as Windows can be used. And again "Mint" is _not_ "*buntu". "Choose your forum carefully Be sensitive in choosing where you ask your question. You are likely to be ignored, or written off as a loser, if you: post your question to a forum where it's off topic" - http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#forum Just because it's allowed to ask a Mint question on this list, doesn't mean that this list is the right place. Linux Mint is "based" on "Ubuntu", but other than "Kubuntu", "Ubuntu Studio", "Xubuntu" etc. it's not official part of the Ubuntu repositories, so providing help liekly could lead into a wrong direction, assumed the "Mint" developers should do something completely different. Regards, Ralf From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jul 11 12:41:50 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:41:50 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> Message-ID: <53BFDB8E.6060408@swbell.net> On 07/10/2014 11:00 PM, c. marlow wrote: > > On 07/10/2014 10:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >>> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired >>> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine >>> sooon!!! >> Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish >> distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your >> requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being >> self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better >> choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's >> not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are >> different from Windows user needs. > > 1. this computer came with Kubuntu ( pre built) was kinda thrown > together for me by some friends. Lots of things dont work on it... CD > ROM etc.... > > 2. LM is based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS and was told it was ok to post > here since it is based on Kubuntu. > Somehow or another I seem to have not received Ralf's reply, however I take exception with both his attitude and message. All I can say about his attitude is that it stinks. It is not typical of most people on this list. About his message, I AM just a an average home computer user. The type that typically runs Windows. I have been successfully using Kubuntu for many years and SuSE before that. In my experience Linux, and Kubuntu specifically, has been just as easy to use, after the unlearning of some bad habits left over from we all know where, and possibly easier to use than Windows. I question the use of "friend" in the OP's message above. It sounds to me like his "friend" set him up to fail from the beginning. Things like CD/DVD roms just work in my experience. Sounds like a hardware issue rather than an OS issue. His "friend" also just dumped him in the deep end and walked away. There is a bit of a learning curve when first using Linux in general. My own first experience with Linux were not all that pleasant but I stuck with it out of bull headed determination and got through that learning curve. A true "friend" that dumps a Linux box on someones desk out of the blue would stick around and help them through the learning curve. My message to the OP is to have an attitude of, "please help me understand and learn to use this operating system," if that is what you really want to do. An, "I want to dump this piece of S___ and get a Windows machine," attitude is not conducive to getting good assistance responses. -- Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 13:43:40 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:43:40 +0200 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53BFDB8E.6060408@swbell.net> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> <53BFDB8E.6060408@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1405086220.10005.1.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 07:41 -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: > All I can say about his attitude is that it stinks. It is not typical > of most people on this list. It doesn't help to recommend somebody to stay with Linux, when the users needs fit to Windows. My reply wasn't meant as an insult, it was a clarification, since the OP seemingly does labour under the misapprehension that expecting setting up Linux user space is like installing Windows and Applications running on Windows. It's impertinent to claim that my attitude is bad. Your behaviour is a shame. You're insulting me and you're not helping a OP whining about a bad Linux, who hopes to get a Windows machine soon. If you want to help a novice it's wise to clarify how to ask smart questions and to make a novice aware about self-responsibility, doing research, not to switch distros just because something doesn't work out of the box and not to ask on one distro's mailing list questions about another distro. My intention was and still is to help the OP, you simply misinterpret my tone of voice. From support at asiadigitalprivacy.net Fri Jul 11 13:50:37 2014 From: support at asiadigitalprivacy.net (support) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:50:37 +0800 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <1405086220.10005.1.camel@archlinux> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> <53BFDB8E.6060408@swbell.net> <1405086220.10005.1.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <53BFEBAD.4080608@asiadigitalprivacy.net> Ralf If my mail was anything but constructive in tone towards you apologies from my side too All the best, Nate On 11/07/2014 21:43, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 07:41 -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: >> All I can say about his attitude is that it stinks. It is not typical >> of most people on this list. > It doesn't help to recommend somebody to stay with Linux, when the users > needs fit to Windows. My reply wasn't meant as an insult, it was a > clarification, since the OP seemingly does labour under the > misapprehension that expecting setting up Linux user space is like > installing Windows and Applications running on Windows. It's impertinent > to claim that my attitude is bad. Your behaviour is a shame. You're > insulting me and you're not helping a OP whining about a bad Linux, who > hopes to get a Windows machine soon. If you want to help a novice it's > wise to clarify how to ask smart questions and to make a novice aware > about self-responsibility, doing research, not to switch distros just > because something doesn't work out of the box and not to ask on one > distro's mailing list questions about another distro. My intention was > and still is to help the OP, you simply misinterpret my tone of voice. > > From wachin.id at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 13:59:17 2014 From: wachin.id at gmail.com (Washington Indacochea) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:59:17 -0500 Subject: xaralx on 14.04 packages not working Message-ID: <53BFEDB5.5030005@gmail.com> xaralx on 14.04 packages not working. I install the package and not working, I run on a terminal and said this: wachin at wachin-id:~$ xaralx xaralx: relocation error: xaralx: symbol _ZTV19wxGnomePrintFactory, version WXU_2.8 not defined in file libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0 with link time reference But this package working fine: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/19865993/dir/pclinuxos/com/xara-extreme-0.7-1pclos2010.i586.rpm.html xara-extreme-0.7-1pclos2010.i586.rpm convert with Alien: sudo alien xara-extreme-0.7-1pclos2010.i586.rpm For 14.04 is need: libjpeg62 libtiff4 But libtiff4 is no longer on 14.04, but you can download from saucey rep: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/libtiff4 I use UbuntuStudio 14.04 x386, do you can add to 14.04 this package? should not be a ubuntu package that does not work From accessys at smart.net Fri Jul 11 13:58:09 2014 From: accessys at smart.net (accessys at smart.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <1405056272.11944.2.camel@archlinux> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> <1405056272.11944.2.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: yes linux is peculiar about that kind of stuff I have probably at one time or another used most of the distros currently have kubuntu 12.4 on my big box but interestingly when I boot it shows a Debian login page then switches to Kubuntu. has always done this and appears to be nothing more than "interesting" as for switching users. I have my regular users and have set up a "guest" and "service" accounts so my stuff and root stay off limits. is easy enough to do in your gui even got to "System settings" then "User management" and it will ask for your root password and opens a panel that allows you to set up a new user. this is graphics in Kubuntu 12.4 but other Kubuntus should be similar then to switch users is simple logout and log in as new user. Bob. On Fri, 11 Jul 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:24:32 +0200 > From: Ralf Mardorf > Reply-To: Kubuntu user technical support > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: switching users... forget it! > > On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 23:00 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >> 2. LM is based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS and was told it was ok to post here >> since it is based on Kubuntu. > > It's ok, but it's not smart trying to solve an issue on a freakish Linux > distro and asking for help on another distro's mailing list. What does > "based" on Kubuntu mean? I suspect they "customized" Kubuntu. Kubuntu is > based on Debain. Arch Linux and Debian are based on Linux, but they are > completely different distros, while Debian, Kubuntu and Mint are quasi > the same family, they anyway aren't the same distros. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From chris at marlows.org Fri Jul 11 14:35:53 2014 From: chris at marlows.org (c. marlow) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:35:53 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <1459853.yG5tS06kWy@lark-latitude-d630> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1459853.yG5tS06kWy@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: <53BFF649.8020306@marlows.org> On 07/10/2014 11:33 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > On Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:13:42 PM c. marlow wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Juan R. de Silva >> >> wrote: >>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:00:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >>>>> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired >>>>> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine >>>>> sooon!!! >>>> Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish >>>> distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your >>>> requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being >>>> self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better >>>> choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's >>>> not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are >>>> different from Windows user needs. >>> I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was no need to reply >>> to him at all. >>> >>> If OP is just a frustrated newbie, which also might be the case, then you >>> were unreasonably and senselessly rude. Mentoring in a such tone is >>> counterproductive and not helpful at all. E.g. I praise Little Girl >>> approach instead. >>> >>> Sorry, if my comment touches your feelings. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> 1. not a troll >> >> 2. yes frustrated a bit >> >> 3. was just saying / stating that it went bonkers on me... Wasnt being >> trollish. > No I didn't detect trollishness, but we all can understand your frustration > since we have all been there at some point. > > Do feel free to post here. Mint *is* Kubuntu after all, but there are some > differences in the programs each one uses, as well as some of the desktop > default settings. Anything done in one is done in the same fashion in the > other. > > Also, there are plenty of additional user help resources between Mint and > Kubuntu that one can try as well as this list, such as Mint's forums and > http://kubuntuforums.net. > > I do hope you can keep your Linux box. While Linux is *not* Windows, it > definitely can be a replacement for it. Heck it can live alongside it in a dual > boot. I find it fun, myself, and almost never use the command line, and then > because I want to. Clay, well the reason I came here was LM doesnt have a mailing list. =[ and thanks! CM > From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Fri Jul 11 16:44:15 2014 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:44:15 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird for Mint In-Reply-To: <1805153.67fi1uMnc0@p5915> References: <53BED255.90700@optonline.net> <1446215.iPFlj7VN9S@p5915> <53BF17AA.1090008@optonline.net> <1805153.67fi1uMnc0@p5915> Message-ID: <53C0145F.4090605@optonline.net> On 07/11/2014 04:48 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Doug wrote: >> (I am aware that there is a newer version of Mint, but I'm not sure i >> want it. >> I think it may not support KDE anymore, in which case, I know I >> don't! Also may be snarled up in systemd, which already has a bad >> rep!) > Mint 17 has a KDE version - it was reported by Heise recently: > . > > And I think you can't avoid systemd for long except by keeping the old > system. > > > Nils > > I have just done some research here, and it looks like Mint 17 does have KDE (as of this month, it looks like!) and does not have systemd, so I guess I'll take the plunge. I suppose if it doesn't work out, I can go back and install this version 16. Good to find out these things before I've done a lot of customizing and adding apps. thanx for the prod! --doug From martincigorraga at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 17:34:31 2014 From: martincigorraga at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn_Cigorraga?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:34:31 -0300 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: > > I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired > > of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine > > sooon!!! > > Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish > distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your > requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being > self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better > choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's > not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are > different from Windows user needs. Very well thought! I will keep your useful rationale at hand :D Cheers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Jul 11 19:02:57 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:02:57 +0000 Subject: switching users... forget it! Message-ID: <558836.793617473-sendEmail@xpresso> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was > no need to reply to him at all. I've been seeing this negatively conotated term for the last immediate forever, but haven't figured it out yet. What exactly do you mean by, "troll?" Bill From chris at marlows.org Fri Jul 11 19:11:20 2014 From: chris at marlows.org (c. marlow) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:11:20 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <53C036D8.4070503@marlows.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Jul 11 19:22:29 2014 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:22:29 -0400 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <558836.793617473-sendEmail@xpresso> References: <558836.793617473-sendEmail@xpresso> Message-ID: <53C03975.4000608@bmarsh.com> On 07/11/2014 03:02 PM, kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: > I've been seeing this negatively conotated term for the > last immediate forever, but haven't figured it out yet. > What exactly do you mean by, "troll?" A 'troll' in forum context means someone who tries to antagonize the forum by making "off" comments which goes against the theme of the forum. I liken it to throwing gasoline on a bonfire and then running off to watch the results from afar. In otherwords, the troll isn't really interested in helping or getting help from the forum but wants to make trouble. -- "Never criticize someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you will be a mile away and have their shoes." From chris at marlows.org Fri Jul 11 19:56:05 2014 From: chris at marlows.org (c. marlow) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:56:05 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C03975.4000608@bmarsh.com> References: <558836.793617473-sendEmail@xpresso> <53C03975.4000608@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: Well thats not me bruce just frustersted thats all On Jul 11, 2014 2:22 PM, "Bruce Marshall" wrote: > On 07/11/2014 03:02 PM, kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: > >> I've been seeing this negatively conotated term for the >> last immediate forever, but haven't figured it out yet. >> What exactly do you mean by, "troll?" >> > > A 'troll' in forum context means someone who tries to antagonize the forum > by making "off" comments which goes against the theme of the forum. > > I liken it to throwing gasoline on a bonfire and then running off to watch > the results from afar. > > In otherwords, the troll isn't really interested in helping or getting > help from the forum but wants to make trouble. > > > > > -- > "Never criticize someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes. That > way, when you criticize them, you will be a mile away and have their > shoes." > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Jul 11 20:57:33 2014 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:57:33 -0400 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: References: <558836.793617473-sendEmail@xpresso> <53C03975.4000608@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <53C04FBD.9000205@bmarsh.com> On 07/11/2014 03:56 PM, c. marlow wrote: > Well thats not me bruce just frustersted thats all I didn't say you were a troll.... But it's not "good form" to come into a group asking for help and then "p.ssing" all over the favorite topic (kubuntu). And you didn't really do that either, but some might take it take way. Computer systems are more of a "religion" to some people. -- "I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe." From sdubois at linux.com Sat Jul 12 07:08:58 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 00:08:58 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <558836.793617473-sendEmail@xpresso> References: <558836.793617473-sendEmail@xpresso> Message-ID: <53C0DF0A.8000008@linux.com> On 07/11/2014 12:02 PM, kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2014, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > > > >> I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was >> no need to reply to him at all. > > I've been seeing this negatively conotated term for the > last immediate forever, but haven't figured it out yet. > What exactly do you mean by, "troll?" > > Bill > > > > > Hi Bill, Trolls are typically people who enter forums, mailing lists or other congregating places with the intent of starting arguments or flame wars. Some people actually "thrive" on trolling and I've heard there are some forums specifically set up for trolls to congregate with each other. I wrote an article about trolls not long ago if you'd like to have a read. http://roguehorse.blogspot.com/2013/12/trolls.html -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 0xE6033569.asc Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 6516 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sdubois at linux.com Sat Jul 12 07:13:17 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 00:13:17 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53BFDB8E.6060408@swbell.net> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> <53BFDB8E.6060408@swbell.net> Message-ID: <53C0E00D.9060104@linux.com> On 07/11/2014 05:41 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 07/10/2014 11:00 PM, c. marlow wrote: >> >> On 07/10/2014 10:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >>>> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired >>>> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine >>>> sooon!!! >>> Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish >>> distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your >>> requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being >>> self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better >>> choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's >>> not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are >>> different from Windows user needs. >> >> 1. this computer came with Kubuntu ( pre built) was kinda thrown >> together for me by some friends. Lots of things dont work on it... CD >> ROM etc.... >> >> 2. LM is based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS and was told it was ok to post >> here since it is based on Kubuntu. >> > > Somehow or another I seem to have not received Ralf's reply, however I > take exception with both his attitude and message. > > All I can say about his attitude is that it stinks. It is not typical of > most people on this list. > > About his message, I AM just a an average home computer user. The type > that typically runs Windows. I have been successfully using Kubuntu for > many years and SuSE before that. In my experience Linux, and Kubuntu > specifically, has been just as easy to use, after the unlearning of some > bad habits left over from we all know where, and possibly easier to use > than Windows. > > I question the use of "friend" in the OP's message above. It sounds to > me like his "friend" set him up to fail from the beginning. Things like > CD/DVD roms just work in my experience. Sounds like a hardware issue > rather than an OS issue. His "friend" also just dumped him in the deep > end and walked away. There is a bit of a learning curve when first using > Linux in general. My own first experience with Linux were not all that > pleasant but I stuck with it out of bull headed determination and got > through that learning curve. A true "friend" that dumps a Linux box on > someones desk out of the blue would stick around and help them through > the learning curve. > > My message to the OP is to have an attitude of, "please help me > understand and learn to use this operating system," if that is what you > really want to do. An, "I want to dump this piece of S___ and get a > Windows machine," attitude is not conducive to getting good assistance > responses. > You make a good point Billie, while I don't think I would go so far as to say the "friend" set them up, the "friend" in question should have at least made themselves available for help and if they were unable to provide it, ask in the mailing lists, forums or IRC; something I know I should do myself more often. Everyone needs help once in a while and it shouldn't be hard to find considering the size and scope of the Linux community. We should pride ourselves for being the largest collaborative effort in the world which goes beyond just developers and include users and support for each other. : ) When I enter the Kubuntu IRC it always seems like the "dead zone" - at least off-topic for small talk and general chat. Linux does take patience to get used to but I think we all have to admit that many of the distros get easier to use and more stable as the kernel continues to mature and more people contribute when and where they can. Too many people get a false sense that all operating systems are the same so switching to a Linus system is simple just like switching between XP and W7 when it's not the case. My first go with Linux was with Ubuntu 9.10 just as it was released and I would get so frustrated I sometimes would have my wallet and keys in my hand to go get a new copy of Windows. Then I would stop myself and think "Thousands of people use Ubuntu on a daily basis and I'm just as smart as many of them; I can do this." Then get right back at it and keep pounding away at learning what I needed to do to MAKE it work for me. -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 0xE6033569.asc Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 6516 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bullet at ballmail.co.za Sat Jul 12 08:11:13 2014 From: bullet at ballmail.co.za (Vincent) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:11:13 +0200 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C04FBD.9000205@bmarsh.com> References: <558836.793617473-sendEmail@xpresso> <53C03975.4000608@bmarsh.com> <53C04FBD.9000205@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <53C0EDA1.5000500@ballmail.co.za> On 11/07/2014 22:57, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On 07/11/2014 03:56 PM, c. marlow wrote: >> Well thats not me bruce just frustersted thats all > > I didn't say you were a troll.... But it's not "good form" to come > into a group asking for help and then "p.ssing" all over the favorite > topic (kubuntu). And you didn't really do that either, but some might > take it take way. > > Computer systems are more of a "religion" to some people. > > > Hi Chris, I've been following this thread from inception and while you've been getting some very mixed advice from the list, probably you're best bet is to head over to linux mint forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ and register. They're a great bunch of people,(as are the folks on this list) where you'll get mint specific help. I currently run kubuntu 12.04 on my desktop and mint 17 kde on my netbook. Both are very similar in operation with some minor difference's which the mint folk would I'm sure be only too happy to help you with. FWIW, Sinclair's steps on setting up user's is spot on. Follow them and you shouldn't have problems. For clarity, mint is based on ubuntu, not kubuntu, so no matter which DT you use, unity, kde, xfce, cinnamon etc. they're all based on the current ubuntu system, with all the ubuntu support for that system. In the case of mint 17, until 2019.You seemed to be under the impression that mint 17 KDE was based on Kubuntu, not Ubuntu. Stick with it friend, you won't be sorry! Linux is an extremely secure, efficient and safe OS. Just my 5c. HTH. Vince From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Jul 12 13:48:31 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 08:48:31 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C0E00D.9060104@linux.com> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> <53BFDB8E.6060408@swbell.net> <53C0E00D.9060104@linux.com> Message-ID: <53C13CAF.4090200@swbell.net> On 07/12/2014 02:13 AM, Scott DuBois wrote: > On 07/11/2014 05:41 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> On 07/10/2014 11:00 PM, c. marlow wrote: >>> On 07/10/2014 10:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >>>>> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired >>>>> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine >>>>> sooon!!! >>>> Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish >>>> distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your >>>> requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being >>>> self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better >>>> choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's >>>> not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are >>>> different from Windows user needs. >>> 1. this computer came with Kubuntu ( pre built) was kinda thrown >>> together for me by some friends. Lots of things dont work on it... CD >>> ROM etc.... >>> >>> 2. LM is based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS and was told it was ok to post >>> here since it is based on Kubuntu. >>> >> Somehow or another I seem to have not received Ralf's reply, however I >> take exception with both his attitude and message. >> >> All I can say about his attitude is that it stinks. It is not typical of >> most people on this list. >> >> About his message, I AM just a an average home computer user. The type >> that typically runs Windows. I have been successfully using Kubuntu for >> many years and SuSE before that. In my experience Linux, and Kubuntu >> specifically, has been just as easy to use, after the unlearning of some >> bad habits left over from we all know where, and possibly easier to use >> than Windows. >> >> I question the use of "friend" in the OP's message above. It sounds to >> me like his "friend" set him up to fail from the beginning. Things like >> CD/DVD roms just work in my experience. Sounds like a hardware issue >> rather than an OS issue. His "friend" also just dumped him in the deep >> end and walked away. There is a bit of a learning curve when first using >> Linux in general. My own first experience with Linux were not all that >> pleasant but I stuck with it out of bull headed determination and got >> through that learning curve. A true "friend" that dumps a Linux box on >> someones desk out of the blue would stick around and help them through >> the learning curve. >> >> My message to the OP is to have an attitude of, "please help me >> understand and learn to use this operating system," if that is what you >> really want to do. An, "I want to dump this piece of S___ and get a >> Windows machine," attitude is not conducive to getting good assistance >> responses. >> > You make a good point Billie, while I don't think I would go so far as > to say the "friend" set them up, the "friend" in question should have at > least made themselves available for help and if they were unable to > provide it, ask in the mailing lists, forums or IRC; something I know I > should do myself more often. Everyone needs help once in a while and it > shouldn't be hard to find considering the size and scope of the Linux > community. We should pride ourselves for being the largest collaborative > effort in the world which goes beyond just developers and include users > and support for each other. : ) > > When I enter the Kubuntu IRC it always seems like the "dead zone" - at > least off-topic for small talk and general chat. > > Linux does take patience to get used to but I think we all have to admit > that many of the distros get easier to use and more stable as the kernel > continues to mature and more people contribute when and where they can. > Too many people get a false sense that all operating systems are the > same so switching to a Linus system is simple just like switching > between XP and W7 when it's not the case. > > My first go with Linux was with Ubuntu 9.10 just as it was released and > I would get so frustrated I sometimes would have my wallet and keys in > my hand to go get a new copy of Windows. Then I would stop myself and > think "Thousands of people use Ubuntu on a daily basis and I'm just as > smart as many of them; I can do this." Then get right back at it and > keep pounding away at learning what I needed to do to MAKE it work for me. > My first go with Linux was SuSE 9, I believe, that I bought in a box at Comp USA. I set it up dual boot with Windows and "played" with it when I wasn't doing anything in particular. Can't tell you how many times I had to reformat that partition and reinstall. I quickly learned a whole lot of things NOT to do. Before long I managed to come to terms with it at some level and actually using it to do something constructive. One hump in the learning curve was learning what programs did what. The programs names are sometime not very clear at what they are for. As time went on, I one day realized that I hadn't booted into Windows for a very long time. I haven't looked back. I used SuSE for several versions but I kept hearing great things about *Ubuntu so I set up a dual boot SuSE/Kubuntu. SuSE had/has some nice features but I finally decided that Kubuntu suited me more. The rest, as they say, is history. I said the OP's "friend" set him up to fail partly because I suspect his box has hardware issues. He said it was just something "thrown together" for him which, to my mind, says it's an older box that was put together with older, used, hardware. The OP specifically says that many things don't work and gives the CD rom as an example. I don't know about anyone else , but I haven't had an issue with a CD/DVD rom since I can't remember when unless it was bad. I can hardly imagine a more difficult situation than someone unfamiliar with the operating system and suffering with hardware issues at the same time. That is a user failure situation if I ever saw one. If your going to throw someone into the deep end with Linux you need to make sure the hardware is going to work for a long time. We, Tracie and myself, have refurbished and given away to those in need many an old box. I have always told them that if they have an issue to call me. Some had issues in a short time others ran for long periods before an issue showed up. Some I never heard from again. Last but not least. There are a LOT of really nice people on this list. Very helpful and knowledgeable. Always ready to lend a newbie a hand. Now, I don't know Ralf, and he may be a very nice person that just had a bad day. But a message like he sent will run off more newbies than the situation our OP is in. How many other newbies are out there reading the mail list, trying to figure out Kubuntu, and not posting. We all need a bit of hand holding, and possibly nannying, from time to time. I'm no longer familiar with other flavors of Linux, but I believe Kubuntu is as, and more so, user friendly than even Windows. -- Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 09:24:14 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:24:14 +0200 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53BFF649.8020306@marlows.org> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1459853.yG5tS06kWy@lark-latitude-d630> <53BFF649.8020306@marlows.org> Message-ID: <1405243454.853.16.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 09:35 -0500, c. marlow wrote: > Clay, > > well the reason I came here was LM doesnt have a mailing list. =[ > > and thanks! That's why my tone of voice was misunderstood as impolite. It happens very often that Mint users sent requests to *buntu and Debian mailing lists. People subscribed to those list are willing to help, but usually mention that what does work for *buntu or Debian might not work for Mint. On some lists nobody would reply after an OP would whine and mentioned to drop Linux soon, to use Windows instead. The reason why they don't reply simply is, that it doesn't make sense to fix a Linux user space, that won't be used. You won't spend time to repair a car, you anyway would deport to the junkyard directly after you repaired it. To have choice does mean to learn how to make a choice, how to interact in communities of freedom. Using a restricted OS is like living under dictatorship, or at least under protection of a nanny. The approach to use Linux in the same way as a restricted OS has to/could be used will never work. IOW if a novice should run into issues, the community should teach the novice how to solve issues, e.g. by reading the fine manual. Regards, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 09:29:14 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:29:14 +0200 Subject: Off-topic: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <558836.793617473-sendEmail@xpresso> References: <558836.793617473-sendEmail@xpresso> Message-ID: <1405243754.853.19.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 19:02 +0000, kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jul 2014, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > > I OP is a troll, which might be the case, then there was > > no need to reply to him at all. > > I've been seeing this negatively conotated term for the > last immediate forever, but haven't figured it out yet. > What exactly do you mean by, "troll?" https://startpage.com/ -> Search term: troll -> First hit: Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) > From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 09:33:35 2014 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:33:35 +1000 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <1405243454.853.16.camel@archlinux> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <53BFF649.8020306@marlows.org> <1405243454.853.16.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <61101274.JsHVtKixqJ@lindsay-office> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:24:14 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > That's why my tone of voice was misunderstood as impolite Um no. Not misunderstood at all - you were in their face rude and abusive. But no point in carrying this on as you obviously have no interest in learning about yourself. -- Lindsay -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 09:36:50 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:36:50 +0200 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C036D8.4070503@marlows.org> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53C036D8.4070503@marlows.org> Message-ID: <1405244210.853.21.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 14:11 -0500, c. marlow wrote: > How is LM freakish? Because it provides eye candy, but no support. People tend to chose Mint decoyed by the siren song and in lack of an experienced user community those people have to ask for help on other distros mailing lists. From sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jul 13 20:38:49 2014 From: sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk (Sid Boyce) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:38:49 +0100 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53C2EE59.2050702@blueyonder.co.uk> On 13/07/14 13:00, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > My first go with Linux was SuSE 9, I believe, that I bought in a box at > Comp USA. I set it up dual boot with Windows and "played" with it when I > wasn't doing anything in particular. Can't tell you how many times I had > to reformat that partition and reinstall. I quickly learned a whole lot > of things NOT to do. Before long I managed to come to terms with it at > some level and actually using it to do something constructive. One hump > in the learning curve was learning what programs did what. The programs > names are sometime not very clear at what they are for. As time went on, > I one day realized that I hadn't booted into Windows for a very long > time. I haven't looked back. I used SuSE for several versions but I kept > hearing great things about *Ubuntu so I set up a dual boot SuSE/Kubuntu. > SuSE had/has some nice features but I finally decided that Kubuntu > suited me more. The rest, as they say, is history. > The big difference I find between Kubuntu/Ubuntu and openSUSE is that openSUSE is often most up to date with all the latest developments like systemd which Ubuntu is just introducing, wicked, dracut and other stuff but it's still rock solid. One of the biggest headaches had been network configuration until wicked was introduced in openSUSE. With network cards, especially if swapping out motherboards or network cards and having to mess with udev rules, swapping cables around etc., wicked is consistent in the way it names interfaces so it's just a case of plug and play. Having said that, working with any Linux distro, once the few different tools are understood there is no problem - I use many. In over 34 years in the industry I had to work with whatever OS was supported on a platform - Mainframes from different manufacturers, PDP-11's, SPARC Enterprise servers, etc., even Linux on Mainframes and SPARC, that's at least 12 or more different OS's in that time, whatever the job demanded. Each requiring a different approach. That way I was able to adapt quickly to be able to support all those hardware platforms and OS's. Neither myself or colleagues could not have survived professionally in a one hardware, one OS world. We had to approach each with a mindset that we didn't know jack and learn fast - e.g z/OS and Solaris are as different as chalk and cheese. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks From cody.smith9202 at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 23:48:05 2014 From: cody.smith9202 at gmail.com (Cody Smith) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:48:05 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C2EE59.2050702@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <53C2EE59.2050702@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: somehow a thread asking for help turned into random discussion related to KDE... On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Sid Boyce wrote: > On 13/07/14 13:00, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > >> My first go with Linux was SuSE 9, I believe, that I bought in a box at >> Comp USA. I set it up dual boot with Windows and "played" with it when I >> wasn't doing anything in particular. Can't tell you how many times I had >> to reformat that partition and reinstall. I quickly learned a whole lot >> of things NOT to do. Before long I managed to come to terms with it at >> some level and actually using it to do something constructive. One hump >> in the learning curve was learning what programs did what. The programs >> names are sometime not very clear at what they are for. As time went on, >> I one day realized that I hadn't booted into Windows for a very long >> time. I haven't looked back. I used SuSE for several versions but I kept >> hearing great things about *Ubuntu so I set up a dual boot SuSE/Kubuntu. >> SuSE had/has some nice features but I finally decided that Kubuntu >> suited me more. The rest, as they say, is history. >> >> The big difference I find between Kubuntu/Ubuntu and openSUSE is that > openSUSE is often most up to date with all the latest developments like > systemd which Ubuntu is just introducing, wicked, dracut and other stuff > but it's still rock solid. > > One of the biggest headaches had been network configuration until wicked > was introduced in openSUSE. With network cards, especially if swapping out > motherboards or network cards and having to mess with udev rules, swapping > cables around etc., wicked is consistent in the way it names interfaces so > it's just a case of plug and play. > > Having said that, working with any Linux distro, once the few different > tools are understood there is no problem - I use many. > > In over 34 years in the industry I had to work with whatever OS was > supported on a platform - Mainframes from different manufacturers, > PDP-11's, SPARC Enterprise servers, etc., even Linux on Mainframes and > SPARC, that's at least 12 or more different OS's in that time, whatever the > job demanded. > Each requiring a different approach. That way I was able to adapt quickly > to be able to support all those hardware platforms and OS's. > Neither myself or colleagues could not have survived professionally in a > one hardware, one OS world. > We had to approach each with a mindset that we didn't know jack and learn > fast - e.g z/OS and Solaris are as different as chalk and cheese. > Regards > Sid. > > -- > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > On Sunday, July 13, 2014 04:48:05 PM Cody Smith wrote: > > somehow a thread asking for help turned into random discussion related to > > KDE... > > And with the OP long unsubbed....... > > -- > Clay Weber (claydoh) > http://kubuntuforums.net > http://claydoh.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jul 14 01:36:10 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:36:10 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: References: <53C2EE59.2050702@blueyonder.co.uk> <4565080.1GDCMsgLGI@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: <53C3340A.3070602@swbell.net> Once a thread is started there is no telling where it will go or when it might end. On 07/13/2014 08:21 PM, Cody Smith wrote: > does this happen often? > > > On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Clay Weber > wrote: > > On Sunday, July 13, 2014 04:48:05 PM Cody Smith wrote: > > somehow a thread asking for help turned into random discussion > related to > > KDE... > > And with the OP long unsubbed....... > > -- > Clay Weber (claydoh) > http://kubuntuforums.net > http://claydoh.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdubois at linux.com Wed Jul 16 04:48:01 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:48:01 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C13CAF.4090200@swbell.net> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> <53BFDB8E.6060408@swbell.net> <53C0E00D.9060104@linux.com> <53C13CAF.4090200@swbell.net> Message-ID: <53C60401.7050008@linux.com> On 07/12/2014 06:48 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 07/12/2014 02:13 AM, Scott DuBois wrote: >> On 07/11/2014 05:41 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> On 07/10/2014 11:00 PM, c. marlow wrote: >>>> On 07/10/2014 10:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote: >>>>>> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired >>>>>> of reformatting. Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine >>>>>> sooon!!! >>>>> Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish >>>>> distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your >>>>> requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of >>>>> being >>>>> self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the >>>>> better >>>>> choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, >>>>> it's >>>>> not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are >>>>> different from Windows user needs. >>>> 1. this computer came with Kubuntu ( pre built) was kinda thrown >>>> together for me by some friends. Lots of things dont work on it... CD >>>> ROM etc.... >>>> >>>> 2. LM is based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS and was told it was ok to post >>>> here since it is based on Kubuntu. >>>> >>> Somehow or another I seem to have not received Ralf's reply, however I >>> take exception with both his attitude and message. >>> >>> All I can say about his attitude is that it stinks. It is not typical of >>> most people on this list. >>> >>> About his message, I AM just a an average home computer user. The type >>> that typically runs Windows. I have been successfully using Kubuntu for >>> many years and SuSE before that. In my experience Linux, and Kubuntu >>> specifically, has been just as easy to use, after the unlearning of some >>> bad habits left over from we all know where, and possibly easier to use >>> than Windows. >>> >>> I question the use of "friend" in the OP's message above. It sounds to >>> me like his "friend" set him up to fail from the beginning. Things like >>> CD/DVD roms just work in my experience. Sounds like a hardware issue >>> rather than an OS issue. His "friend" also just dumped him in the deep >>> end and walked away. There is a bit of a learning curve when first using >>> Linux in general. My own first experience with Linux were not all that >>> pleasant but I stuck with it out of bull headed determination and got >>> through that learning curve. A true "friend" that dumps a Linux box on >>> someones desk out of the blue would stick around and help them through >>> the learning curve. >>> >>> My message to the OP is to have an attitude of, "please help me >>> understand and learn to use this operating system," if that is what you >>> really want to do. An, "I want to dump this piece of S___ and get a >>> Windows machine," attitude is not conducive to getting good assistance >>> responses. >>> >> You make a good point Billie, while I don't think I would go so far as >> to say the "friend" set them up, the "friend" in question should have at >> least made themselves available for help and if they were unable to >> provide it, ask in the mailing lists, forums or IRC; something I know I >> should do myself more often. Everyone needs help once in a while and it >> shouldn't be hard to find considering the size and scope of the Linux >> community. We should pride ourselves for being the largest collaborative >> effort in the world which goes beyond just developers and include users >> and support for each other. : ) >> >> When I enter the Kubuntu IRC it always seems like the "dead zone" - at >> least off-topic for small talk and general chat. >> >> Linux does take patience to get used to but I think we all have to admit >> that many of the distros get easier to use and more stable as the kernel >> continues to mature and more people contribute when and where they can. >> Too many people get a false sense that all operating systems are the >> same so switching to a Linus system is simple just like switching >> between XP and W7 when it's not the case. >> >> My first go with Linux was with Ubuntu 9.10 just as it was released and >> I would get so frustrated I sometimes would have my wallet and keys in >> my hand to go get a new copy of Windows. Then I would stop myself and >> think "Thousands of people use Ubuntu on a daily basis and I'm just as >> smart as many of them; I can do this." Then get right back at it and >> keep pounding away at learning what I needed to do to MAKE it work for >> me. >> > > My first go with Linux was SuSE 9, I believe, that I bought in a box at > Comp USA. I set it up dual boot with Windows and "played" with it when I > wasn't doing anything in particular. Can't tell you how many times I had > to reformat that partition and reinstall. I quickly learned a whole lot > of things NOT to do. Before long I managed to come to terms with it at > some level and actually using it to do something constructive. One hump > in the learning curve was learning what programs did what. The programs > names are sometime not very clear at what they are for. As time went on, > I one day realized that I hadn't booted into Windows for a very long > time. I haven't looked back. I used SuSE for several versions but I kept > hearing great things about *Ubuntu so I set up a dual boot SuSE/Kubuntu. > SuSE had/has some nice features but I finally decided that Kubuntu > suited me more. The rest, as they say, is history. > > I said the OP's "friend" set him up to fail partly because I suspect his > box has hardware issues. He said it was just something "thrown together" > for him which, to my mind, says it's an older box that was put together > with older, used, hardware. The OP specifically says that many things > don't work and gives the CD rom as an example. I don't know about anyone > else , but I haven't had an issue with a CD/DVD rom since I can't > remember when unless it was bad. I can hardly imagine a more difficult > situation than someone unfamiliar with the operating system and > suffering with hardware issues at the same time. That is a user failure > situation if I ever saw one. If your going to throw someone into the > deep end with Linux you need to make sure the hardware is going to work > for a long time. > > We, Tracie and myself, have refurbished and given away to those in need > many an old box. I have always told them that if they have an issue to > call me. Some had issues in a short time others ran for long periods > before an issue showed up. Some I never heard from again. > > Last but not least. There are a LOT of really nice people on this list. > Very helpful and knowledgeable. Always ready to lend a newbie a hand. > Now, I don't know Ralf, and he may be a very nice person that just had a > bad day. But a message like he sent will run off more newbies than the > situation our OP is in. How many other newbies are out there reading the > mail list, trying to figure out Kubuntu, and not posting. We all need a > bit of hand holding, and possibly nannying, from time to time. I'm no > longer familiar with other flavors of Linux, but I believe Kubuntu is > as, and more so, user friendly than even Windows. > Very well said Billie! This has been the most activity to come through this list since I subscribed many moons ago and I'm pleased to see it. Either that or something got broken between Google, the Linux Foundation and Thunderbird that is now fixed. Either way, I'm also rather new to this list and look forward to getting to know everyone as time moves on. I'm glad to hear there are lots of nice, helpful people on this list as it gives me a sense of being in the right place and with the right people. I've found that some mailing lists can be hit-and-miss with mean people that seem to show up and troll the good people making what could otherwise be wonderful conversations turn into horrible bickering matches. I know the original message was kind of hot and stressed what could have become a rather heated response from many Linux followers and advocates, but we also have to consider as you said, the person may have just had a bad day just like the person at work who out of the blue starts complaining about something. It happens, to many of us, and I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt as fire on fire just burns more down. I couldn't even begin to comprehend, or want to try, the relationship between the OP and their friend or the details behind the construction of said machine. I do feel a sense of awkward responsibility as I would really prefer everyone's fist experience with Kubuntu is a happy and productive one although I know this is completely beyond my control and I just have to accept that. In the time that this thread has been continuing, I hope our friend has been able to resolve their issue and come to the realization that the OS, more than likely, was not the cause of their pain but a victim of other hardware related issues as yourself had mentioned to be suspect. I also hope the OP has had an opportunity to reflect on the original post and thought about rephrasing such frustrations in the future. So is life, we press on. : ) -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse From sdubois at linux.com Wed Jul 16 05:03:26 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:03:26 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: References: <53C2EE59.2050702@blueyonder.co.uk> <4565080.1GDCMsgLGI@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: <53C6079E.2010409@linux.com> On 07/13/2014 06:21 PM, Cody Smith wrote: > does this happen often? > > > On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Clay Weber > wrote: > > On Sunday, July 13, 2014 04:48:05 PM Cody Smith wrote: > > somehow a thread asking for help turned into random discussion > related to > > KDE... > > And with the OP long unsubbed....... > > -- > Clay Weber (claydoh) > http://kubuntuforums.net > http://claydoh.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > @Cody, Not sure, I've been subscribed to this list for a while but this is the first thread to come through. -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse From sdubois at linux.com Wed Jul 16 05:09:00 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:09:00 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C3340A.3070602@swbell.net> References: <53C2EE59.2050702@blueyonder.co.uk> <4565080.1GDCMsgLGI@lark-latitude-d630> <53C3340A.3070602@swbell.net> Message-ID: <53C608EC.90701@linux.com> On 07/13/2014 06:36 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > Once a thread is started there is no telling where it will go or when it > might end. > > On 07/13/2014 08:21 PM, Cody Smith wrote: >> does this happen often? >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Clay Weber > > wrote: >> >> On Sunday, July 13, 2014 04:48:05 PM Cody Smith wrote: >> > somehow a thread asking for help turned into random discussion >> related to >> > KDE... >> >> And with the OP long unsubbed....... >> >> -- >> Clay Weber (claydoh) >> http://kubuntuforums.net >> http://claydoh.com >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > Definite truth in that! Sometimes I think it's too bad we often never hear back from the OP whether they were able to solve their issue or not. I hate to think someone went off simply frustrated or flustered. Maybe someday I'll take off these rose colored glasses as view the world for what it really is. : ) -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse From cody.smith9202 at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 08:14:51 2014 From: cody.smith9202 at gmail.com (Cody Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 01:14:51 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C608EC.90701@linux.com> References: <53C2EE59.2050702@blueyonder.co.uk> <4565080.1GDCMsgLGI@lark-latitude-d630> <53C3340A.3070602@swbell.net> <53C608EC.90701@linux.com> Message-ID: Scott, I've 2 possible views on the world: the volatile vat of problems waiting to be unleashed on humanity and destroy us as a lot of media likes us to hear as it gets views/clicks, and the world for what it is: beautiful even with all the thousands of flaws. :) just my two cents there. --c_smith On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: > On 07/13/2014 06:36 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > Once a thread is started there is no telling where it will go or when it > > might end. > > > > On 07/13/2014 08:21 PM, Cody Smith wrote: > >> does this happen often? > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Clay Weber >> > wrote: > >> > >> On Sunday, July 13, 2014 04:48:05 PM Cody Smith wrote: > >> > somehow a thread asking for help turned into random discussion > >> related to > >> > KDE... > >> > >> And with the OP long unsubbed....... > >> > >> -- > >> Clay Weber (claydoh) > >> http://kubuntuforums.net > >> http://claydoh.com > >> > >> -- > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, > undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > Definite truth in that! Sometimes I think it's too bad we often never > hear back from the OP whether they were able to solve their issue or > not. I hate to think someone went off simply frustrated or flustered. > Maybe someday I'll take off these rose colored glasses as view the world > for what it really is. : ) > > -- > Scott DuBois > President EBLUG > BSIT Software Engineering > Freenode: Roguehorse > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jul 16 13:10:23 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 08:10:23 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C60401.7050008@linux.com> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <1405047632.7878.11.camel@archlinux> <53BF6175.1080409@marlows.org> <53BFDB8E.6060408@swbell.net> <53C0E00D.9060104@linux.com> <53C13CAF.4090200@swbell.net> <53C60401.7050008@linux.com> Message-ID: <53C679BF.5070409@swbell.net> On 07/15/2014 11:48 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: > Very well said Billie! > > This has been the most activity to come through this list since I > subscribed many moons ago and I'm pleased to see it. Either that or > something got broken between Google, the Linux Foundation and > Thunderbird that is now fixed. > > Either way, I'm also rather new to this list and look forward to getting > to know everyone as time moves on. I'm glad to hear there are lots of > nice, helpful people on this list as it gives me a sense of being in the > right place and with the right people. I've found that some mailing > lists can be hit-and-miss with mean people that seem to show up and > troll the good people making what could otherwise be wonderful > conversations turn into horrible bickering matches. > > I know the original message was kind of hot and stressed what could have > become a rather heated response from many Linux followers and advocates, > but we also have to consider as you said, the person may have just had a > bad day just like the person at work who out of the blue starts > complaining about something. It happens, to many of us, and I always try > to give people the benefit of the doubt as fire on fire just burns more > down. > > I couldn't even begin to comprehend, or want to try, the relationship > between the OP and their friend or the details behind the construction > of said machine. I do feel a sense of awkward responsibility as I would > really prefer everyone's fist experience with Kubuntu is a happy and > productive one although I know this is completely beyond my control and > I just have to accept that. In the time that this thread has been > continuing, I hope our friend has been able to resolve their issue and > come to the realization that the OS, more than likely, was not the cause > of their pain but a victim of other hardware related issues as yourself > had mentioned to be suspect. I also hope the OP has had an opportunity > to reflect on the original post and thought about rephrasing such > frustrations in the future. > > So is life, we press on. : ) > > -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: > Roguehorse Anyone can have a bad day and wind up in a situation of mouth in mouth in before brain engaged. Been there, bought the shirt, gave it to the Salvation Army. In fact my original response in regards to Ralf's post was not the nicest, for which I apologize to the list. I won't swear that you won't run into a curmudgeon once in a while, but if you do it's best to ignore and move on. The Kubuntu list is VERY quiet. Perhaps it is like my own experience. Kubuntu just works. -- Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Jul 16 13:39:44 2014 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 09:39:44 -0400 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C679BF.5070409@swbell.net> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <53C60401.7050008@linux.com> <53C679BF.5070409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <201407160939.44894.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Wednesday 16 July 2014 09:10:23 Billie Walsh did opine And Gene did reply: > On 07/15/2014 11:48 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: > > Very well said Billie! > > > > This has been the most activity to come through this list since I > > subscribed many moons ago and I'm pleased to see it. Either that or > > something got broken between Google, the Linux Foundation and > > Thunderbird that is now fixed. > > > > Either way, I'm also rather new to this list and look forward to > > getting to know everyone as time moves on. I'm glad to hear there > > are lots of nice, helpful people on this list as it gives me a sense > > of being in the right place and with the right people. I've found > > that some mailing lists can be hit-and-miss with mean people that > > seem to show up and troll the good people making what could > > otherwise be wonderful conversations turn into horrible bickering > > matches. > > > > I know the original message was kind of hot and stressed what could > > have become a rather heated response from many Linux followers and > > advocates, but we also have to consider as you said, the person may > > have just had a bad day just like the person at work who out of the > > blue starts complaining about something. It happens, to many of us, > > and I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt as fire on > > fire just burns more down. > > > > I couldn't even begin to comprehend, or want to try, the relationship > > between the OP and their friend or the details behind the > > construction of said machine. I do feel a sense of awkward > > responsibility as I would really prefer everyone's fist experience > > with Kubuntu is a happy and productive one although I know this is > > completely beyond my control and I just have to accept that. In the > > time that this thread has been continuing, I hope our friend has > > been able to resolve their issue and come to the realization that > > the OS, more than likely, was not the cause of their pain but a > > victim of other hardware related issues as yourself had mentioned to > > be suspect. I also hope the OP has had an opportunity to reflect on > > the original post and thought about rephrasing such frustrations in > > the future. > > > > So is life, we press on. : ) > > > > -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: > > Roguehorse > > Anyone can have a bad day and wind up in a situation of mouth in mouth > in before brain engaged. Been there, bought the shirt, gave it to the > Salvation Army. In fact my original response in regards to Ralf's post > was not the nicest, for which I apologize to the list. I won't swear > that you won't run into a curmudgeon once in a while, but if you do > it's best to ignore and move on. I resemble that remark, but I expect I've earned the title too. :) > > The Kubuntu list is VERY quiet. Perhaps it is like my own experience. > Kubuntu just works. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS From sdubois at linux.com Wed Jul 16 16:50:49 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 09:50:49 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: References: <53C2EE59.2050702@blueyonder.co.uk> <4565080.1GDCMsgLGI@lark-latitude-d630> <53C3340A.3070602@swbell.net> <53C608EC.90701@linux.com> Message-ID: <53C6AD69.2000704@linux.com> On 07/16/2014 01:14 AM, Cody Smith wrote: > Scott, I've 2 possible views on the world: the volatile vat of problems > waiting to be unleashed on humanity and destroy us as a lot of media > likes us to hear as it gets views/clicks, and the world for what it is: > beautiful even with all the thousands of flaws. :) > > just my two cents there. > --c_smith > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Scott DuBois > wrote: > > On 07/13/2014 06:36 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > Once a thread is started there is no telling where it will go or > when it > > might end. > > > > On 07/13/2014 08:21 PM, Cody Smith wrote: > >> does this happen often? > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Clay Weber > >> >> wrote: > >> > >> On Sunday, July 13, 2014 04:48:05 PM Cody Smith wrote: > >> > somehow a thread asking for help turned into random discussion > >> related to > >> > KDE... > >> > >> And with the OP long unsubbed....... > >> > >> -- > >> Clay Weber (claydoh) > >> http://kubuntuforums.net > >> http://claydoh.com > >> > >> -- > >> kubuntu-users mailing list > >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, > undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine > > > > _ _... ..._ _ > > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > > > > > Definite truth in that! Sometimes I think it's too bad we often never > hear back from the OP whether they were able to solve their issue or > not. I hate to think someone went off simply frustrated or flustered. > Maybe someday I'll take off these rose colored glasses as view the world > for what it really is. : ) > > -- > Scott DuBois > President EBLUG > BSIT Software Engineering > Freenode: Roguehorse > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > Well said Cody, No doubt there are plenty of things wrong in the world but at the same time there are lots of things going good in the world. The good we need to do our best to protect and covet, the bad we need to band together and come up with solid plans to change for the better. -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse From sdubois at linux.com Wed Jul 16 17:31:38 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:31:38 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <201407160939.44894.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <53C60401.7050008@linux.com> <53C679BF.5070409@swbell.net> <201407160939.44894.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <53C6B6FA.7010209@linux.com> On 07/16/2014 06:39 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 16 July 2014 09:10:23 Billie Walsh did opine > And Gene did reply: >> On 07/15/2014 11:48 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: >>> Very well said Billie! >>> >>> This has been the most activity to come through this list since I >>> subscribed many moons ago and I'm pleased to see it. Either that or >>> something got broken between Google, the Linux Foundation and >>> Thunderbird that is now fixed. >>> >>> Either way, I'm also rather new to this list and look forward to >>> getting to know everyone as time moves on. I'm glad to hear there >>> are lots of nice, helpful people on this list as it gives me a sense >>> of being in the right place and with the right people. I've found >>> that some mailing lists can be hit-and-miss with mean people that >>> seem to show up and troll the good people making what could >>> otherwise be wonderful conversations turn into horrible bickering >>> matches. >>> >>> I know the original message was kind of hot and stressed what could >>> have become a rather heated response from many Linux followers and >>> advocates, but we also have to consider as you said, the person may >>> have just had a bad day just like the person at work who out of the >>> blue starts complaining about something. It happens, to many of us, >>> and I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt as fire on >>> fire just burns more down. >>> >>> I couldn't even begin to comprehend, or want to try, the relationship >>> between the OP and their friend or the details behind the >>> construction of said machine. I do feel a sense of awkward >>> responsibility as I would really prefer everyone's fist experience >>> with Kubuntu is a happy and productive one although I know this is >>> completely beyond my control and I just have to accept that. In the >>> time that this thread has been continuing, I hope our friend has >>> been able to resolve their issue and come to the realization that >>> the OS, more than likely, was not the cause of their pain but a >>> victim of other hardware related issues as yourself had mentioned to >>> be suspect. I also hope the OP has had an opportunity to reflect on >>> the original post and thought about rephrasing such frustrations in >>> the future. >>> >>> So is life, we press on. : ) >>> >>> -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: >>> Roguehorse >> >> Anyone can have a bad day and wind up in a situation of mouth in mouth >> in before brain engaged. Been there, bought the shirt, gave it to the >> Salvation Army. In fact my original response in regards to Ralf's post >> was not the nicest, for which I apologize to the list. I won't swear >> that you won't run into a curmudgeon once in a while, but if you do >> it's best to ignore and move on. > > I resemble that remark, but I expect I've earned the title too. :) >> >> The Kubuntu list is VERY quiet. Perhaps it is like my own experience. >> Kubuntu just works. > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > Gene, I suspect we're ALL guilty of such indulgences at some point or another. What's most intriguing is how the other people react. I think at one point, for those who have ever had the fine opportunity to work in customer service : / persons of authority try to train others how to best handle such situations. Often I think it's just hard-wired in people the "fight or flight" response. A mailing list is a little easier to deal with than a live person screaming in your face belittling the things you support and believe in or even the person who violently attacks you based on something you said that they didn't like. In reading such instances, we can sit back and think long and hard about what we've read and then make a determination on how best to reply that will be most productive and present the best light on the group we are representing as contributors to the mailing list. I sometimes feel many people never think to consider such actions. As a public mailing list, the opportunity for people to come in once and kick people around can be inviting just to watch the response. As ongoing collaborators, it's in our best interest to be able to dissolve and manage those instances by "killing them with kindness". Ultimately, we want the general public to spread word that the Kubuntu mailing is the most awesome collection of people who are kind, helpful and knowledgeable to their subscribers. What we don't want, that I hear too often about some Linux forums, is how we have mean people who are condescending and rude to people looking for help and support. As Billie mentioned, we want LOTS of new users coming in and asking questions as well as sticking around to help even more new users. I take the same philosophy everywhere I go and contribute a little something to. -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jul 16 18:02:04 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:02:04 -0500 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C6B6FA.7010209@linux.com> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <53C60401.7050008@linux.com> <53C679BF.5070409@swbell.net> <201407160939.44894.gheskett@wdtv.com> <53C6B6FA.7010209@linux.com> Message-ID: <53C6BE1C.2070201@swbell.net> On 07/16/2014 12:31 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: > On 07/16/2014 06:39 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 16 July 2014 09:10:23 Billie Walsh did opine >> And Gene did reply: >>> On 07/15/2014 11:48 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: >>>> Very well said Billie! >>>> >>>> This has been the most activity to come through this list since I >>>> subscribed many moons ago and I'm pleased to see it. Either that or >>>> something got broken between Google, the Linux Foundation and >>>> Thunderbird that is now fixed. >>>> >>>> Either way, I'm also rather new to this list and look forward to >>>> getting to know everyone as time moves on. I'm glad to hear there >>>> are lots of nice, helpful people on this list as it gives me a sense >>>> of being in the right place and with the right people. I've found >>>> that some mailing lists can be hit-and-miss with mean people that >>>> seem to show up and troll the good people making what could >>>> otherwise be wonderful conversations turn into horrible bickering >>>> matches. >>>> >>>> I know the original message was kind of hot and stressed what could >>>> have become a rather heated response from many Linux followers and >>>> advocates, but we also have to consider as you said, the person may >>>> have just had a bad day just like the person at work who out of the >>>> blue starts complaining about something. It happens, to many of us, >>>> and I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt as fire on >>>> fire just burns more down. >>>> >>>> I couldn't even begin to comprehend, or want to try, the relationship >>>> between the OP and their friend or the details behind the >>>> construction of said machine. I do feel a sense of awkward >>>> responsibility as I would really prefer everyone's fist experience >>>> with Kubuntu is a happy and productive one although I know this is >>>> completely beyond my control and I just have to accept that. In the >>>> time that this thread has been continuing, I hope our friend has >>>> been able to resolve their issue and come to the realization that >>>> the OS, more than likely, was not the cause of their pain but a >>>> victim of other hardware related issues as yourself had mentioned to >>>> be suspect. I also hope the OP has had an opportunity to reflect on >>>> the original post and thought about rephrasing such frustrations in >>>> the future. >>>> >>>> So is life, we press on. : ) >>>> >>>> -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: >>>> Roguehorse >>> Anyone can have a bad day and wind up in a situation of mouth in mouth >>> in before brain engaged. Been there, bought the shirt, gave it to the >>> Salvation Army. In fact my original response in regards to Ralf's post >>> was not the nicest, for which I apologize to the list. I won't swear >>> that you won't run into a curmudgeon once in a while, but if you do >>> it's best to ignore and move on. >> I resemble that remark, but I expect I've earned the title too. :) >>> The Kubuntu list is VERY quiet. Perhaps it is like my own experience. >>> Kubuntu just works. >> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett >> > Gene, > > I suspect we're ALL guilty of such indulgences at some point or another. > What's most intriguing is how the other people react. I think at one > point, for those who have ever had the fine opportunity to work in > customer service : / persons of authority try to train others how to > best handle such situations. Often I think it's just hard-wired in > people the "fight or flight" response. > > A mailing list is a little easier to deal with than a live person > screaming in your face belittling the things you support and believe in > or even the person who violently attacks you based on something you said > that they didn't like. In reading such instances, we can sit back and > think long and hard about what we've read and then make a determination > on how best to reply that will be most productive and present the best > light on the group we are representing as contributors to the mailing > list. I sometimes feel many people never think to consider such actions. > As a public mailing list, the opportunity for people to come in once and > kick people around can be inviting just to watch the response. As > ongoing collaborators, it's in our best interest to be able to dissolve > and manage those instances by "killing them with kindness". > > Ultimately, we want the general public to spread word that the Kubuntu > mailing is the most awesome collection of people who are kind, helpful > and knowledgeable to their subscribers. What we don't want, that I hear > too often about some Linux forums, is how we have mean people who are > condescending and rude to people looking for help and support. As Billie > mentioned, we want LOTS of new users coming in and asking questions as > well as sticking around to help even more new users. I take the same > philosophy everywhere I go and contribute a little something to. > > I have learned that if you have an irate customer in your face the best thing to do is quietly, respectfully, listen as they rant, as long as it doesn't get physical, then you just call the police and let them handle it. For the most part all most irate customers want is to voice their complaint and have it addressed. There is no point in trying to explain what can and cannot be done till they run down. If you try to interrupt or explain anything till then, they just get angrier. Once they have run down you can reason with them. After it's all over you can go in the back room and beat a cardboard box because you really wanted to rip that SOB's head off and hand it to them. -- Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From sdubois at linux.com Wed Jul 16 18:23:51 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:23:51 -0700 Subject: switching users... forget it! In-Reply-To: <53C6BE1C.2070201@swbell.net> References: <53BF3FD0.8090802@marlows.org> <53C60401.7050008@linux.com> <53C679BF.5070409@swbell.net> <201407160939.44894.gheskett@wdtv.com> <53C6B6FA.7010209@linux.com> <53C6BE1C.2070201@swbell.net> Message-ID: <53C6C337.8090509@linux.com> On 07/16/2014 11:02 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 07/16/2014 12:31 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: >> On 07/16/2014 06:39 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> On Wednesday 16 July 2014 09:10:23 Billie Walsh did opine >>> And Gene did reply: >>>> On 07/15/2014 11:48 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: >>>>> Very well said Billie! >>>>> >>>>> This has been the most activity to come through this list since I >>>>> subscribed many moons ago and I'm pleased to see it. Either that or >>>>> something got broken between Google, the Linux Foundation and >>>>> Thunderbird that is now fixed. >>>>> >>>>> Either way, I'm also rather new to this list and look forward to >>>>> getting to know everyone as time moves on. I'm glad to hear there >>>>> are lots of nice, helpful people on this list as it gives me a sense >>>>> of being in the right place and with the right people. I've found >>>>> that some mailing lists can be hit-and-miss with mean people that >>>>> seem to show up and troll the good people making what could >>>>> otherwise be wonderful conversations turn into horrible bickering >>>>> matches. >>>>> >>>>> I know the original message was kind of hot and stressed what could >>>>> have become a rather heated response from many Linux followers and >>>>> advocates, but we also have to consider as you said, the person may >>>>> have just had a bad day just like the person at work who out of the >>>>> blue starts complaining about something. It happens, to many of us, >>>>> and I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt as fire on >>>>> fire just burns more down. >>>>> >>>>> I couldn't even begin to comprehend, or want to try, the relationship >>>>> between the OP and their friend or the details behind the >>>>> construction of said machine. I do feel a sense of awkward >>>>> responsibility as I would really prefer everyone's fist experience >>>>> with Kubuntu is a happy and productive one although I know this is >>>>> completely beyond my control and I just have to accept that. In the >>>>> time that this thread has been continuing, I hope our friend has >>>>> been able to resolve their issue and come to the realization that >>>>> the OS, more than likely, was not the cause of their pain but a >>>>> victim of other hardware related issues as yourself had mentioned to >>>>> be suspect. I also hope the OP has had an opportunity to reflect on >>>>> the original post and thought about rephrasing such frustrations in >>>>> the future. >>>>> >>>>> So is life, we press on. : ) >>>>> >>>>> -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: >>>>> Roguehorse >>>> Anyone can have a bad day and wind up in a situation of mouth in mouth >>>> in before brain engaged. Been there, bought the shirt, gave it to the >>>> Salvation Army. In fact my original response in regards to Ralf's post >>>> was not the nicest, for which I apologize to the list. I won't swear >>>> that you won't run into a curmudgeon once in a while, but if you do >>>> it's best to ignore and move on. >>> I resemble that remark, but I expect I've earned the title too. :) >>>> The Kubuntu list is VERY quiet. Perhaps it is like my own experience. >>>> Kubuntu just works. >>> >>> Cheers, Gene Heskett >>> >> Gene, >> >> I suspect we're ALL guilty of such indulgences at some point or another. >> What's most intriguing is how the other people react. I think at one >> point, for those who have ever had the fine opportunity to work in >> customer service : / persons of authority try to train others how to >> best handle such situations. Often I think it's just hard-wired in >> people the "fight or flight" response. >> >> A mailing list is a little easier to deal with than a live person >> screaming in your face belittling the things you support and believe in >> or even the person who violently attacks you based on something you said >> that they didn't like. In reading such instances, we can sit back and >> think long and hard about what we've read and then make a determination >> on how best to reply that will be most productive and present the best >> light on the group we are representing as contributors to the mailing >> list. I sometimes feel many people never think to consider such actions. >> As a public mailing list, the opportunity for people to come in once and >> kick people around can be inviting just to watch the response. As >> ongoing collaborators, it's in our best interest to be able to dissolve >> and manage those instances by "killing them with kindness". >> >> Ultimately, we want the general public to spread word that the Kubuntu >> mailing is the most awesome collection of people who are kind, helpful >> and knowledgeable to their subscribers. What we don't want, that I hear >> too often about some Linux forums, is how we have mean people who are >> condescending and rude to people looking for help and support. As Billie >> mentioned, we want LOTS of new users coming in and asking questions as >> well as sticking around to help even more new users. I take the same >> philosophy everywhere I go and contribute a little something to. >> >> > > I have learned that if you have an irate customer in your face the best > thing to do is quietly, respectfully, listen as they rant, as long as it > doesn't get physical, then you just call the police and let them handle > it. For the most part all most irate customers want is to voice their > complaint and have it addressed. There is no point in trying to explain > what can and cannot be done till they run down. If you try to interrupt > or explain anything till then, they just get angrier. Once they have run > down you can reason with them. > > After it's all over you can go in the back room and beat a cardboard box > because you really wanted to rip that SOB's head off and hand it to them. > Nice points : ) Trying to interrupt someone who is bent out of shape is often a bad idea. Although not everyone can be reasoned with even after they have spewed all their negativity at you. I usually don't take the time to complain like many people do, I just simply move my business to their competition in quiet defiance and let them try to figure out why if they even care. If they do ask, I just let them know I got better product and service somewhere else. -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jul 16 19:07:39 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 14:07:39 -0500 Subject: Speech to text Message-ID: <53C6CD7B.7090305@swbell.net> I have Dragon Naturally Speaking for Windows and kind of like it. It seems to write what I say quite well. However, I would like to see if there is something comparable for Kubuntu? I have 14.04 x64 installed. -- Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From dave at thefletchers.net Wed Jul 16 19:45:59 2014 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:45:59 +0100 Subject: Speech to text In-Reply-To: <53C6CD7B.7090305@swbell.net> References: <53C6CD7B.7090305@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1405539959.2702.2.camel@Tosh-NB520> On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 14:07 -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: > I have Dragon Naturally Speaking for Windows and kind of like it. It > seems to write what I say quite well. However, I would like to see if > there is something comparable for Kubuntu? > > I have 14.04 x64 installed. A search for google dictate produced this:- https://dictation.io/ I've not tried it out so will leave that up to you. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jul 16 20:18:17 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:18:17 -0500 Subject: Speech to text In-Reply-To: <1405539959.2702.2.camel@Tosh-NB520> References: <53C6CD7B.7090305@swbell.net> <1405539959.2702.2.camel@Tosh-NB520> Message-ID: <53C6DE09.80709@swbell.net> On 07/16/2014 02:45 PM, David Fletcher wrote: > On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 14:07 -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I have Dragon Naturally Speaking for Windows and kind of like it. It >> seems to write what I say quite well. However, I would like to see if >> there is something comparable for Kubuntu? >> >> I have 14.04 x64 installed. > A search for google dictate produced this:- > > https://dictation.io/ > > I've not tried it out so will leave that up to you. > > > > I hadn't seen that one, thank you. I see in Google that several are mentioned that use the Google speech something or other. -- Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From sdubois at linux.com Thu Jul 17 18:10:15 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:10:15 -0700 Subject: New VirtualHost Message-ID: <53C81187.7020600@linux.com> Hi All, Over the last few days I've been working on setting up a new VirtualHost inside Kubuntu 14.04 and been having difficulty getting any results outside of the /var/www directory. I've been playing around with LAMP stacks for a number of years as simple development platforms for HTML, CSS and MySQL projects but as I'm starting to learn Perl and thought I would set up CGI scripting to /var/www which is working great then got a "wild hair" and thought I would try setting up a new VirtualHost pointed to /srv for practice in going through the motions of getting this to work but I'm still getting permission errors. I did a2ensite which resolved just fine and chmod /srv to 755 recursively as well as insuring all the files below are executable. My file inside /etc/apache2/sites-enabled (sym'd to sites-available) is set as such: ServerName roguehorse ServerAdmin webmaster at localhost DocumentRoot /srv #ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /srv/cgi-bin/ AllowOverride All Options ExecCGI Multiviews FollowSymLinks AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl .py Allow from all This file was copied from the 000-default.conf file as per the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/httpd.html If someone could help me out with what I'm doing wrong to get access to /srv through my loopback I would most grateful! Also, this is simply a localhost installation that doesn't see the outside but simply a platform for learning so strict permissions is not a big priority as much as just getting the process to work then go from there. -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse From mail at node2.info Thu Jul 17 20:37:42 2014 From: mail at node2.info (my mail) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:37:42 -0400 Subject: New VirtualHost In-Reply-To: <53C81187.7020600@linux.com> References: <53C81187.7020600@linux.com> Message-ID: <53C83416.3040400@node2.info> On 07/17/2014 02:10 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: > Hi All, > > Over the last few days I've been working on setting up a new VirtualHost > inside Kubuntu 14.04 and been having difficulty getting any results > outside of the /var/www directory. > > I've been playing around with LAMP stacks for a number of years as > simple development platforms for HTML, CSS and MySQL projects but as I'm > starting to learn Perl and thought I would set up CGI scripting to > /var/www which is working great then got a "wild hair" and thought I > would try setting up a new VirtualHost pointed to /srv for practice in > going through the motions of getting this to work but I'm still getting > permission errors. > > I did a2ensite which resolved just fine and chmod /srv to 755 > recursively as well as insuring all the files below are executable. My > file inside /etc/apache2/sites-enabled (sym'd to sites-available) is set > as such: > [snip] Sorry if you already did this, but did you reload Apache after enabling the new virtual host: sudo service apache reload From sdubois at linux.com Fri Jul 18 00:08:53 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:08:53 -0700 Subject: New VirtualHost In-Reply-To: <53C83416.3040400@node2.info> References: <53C81187.7020600@linux.com> <53C83416.3040400@node2.info> Message-ID: <53C86595.40606@linux.com> On 07/17/2014 01:37 PM, my mail wrote: > On 07/17/2014 02:10 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Over the last few days I've been working on setting up a new VirtualHost >> inside Kubuntu 14.04 and been having difficulty getting any results >> outside of the /var/www directory. >> >> I've been playing around with LAMP stacks for a number of years as >> simple development platforms for HTML, CSS and MySQL projects but as I'm >> starting to learn Perl and thought I would set up CGI scripting to >> /var/www which is working great then got a "wild hair" and thought I >> would try setting up a new VirtualHost pointed to /srv for practice in >> going through the motions of getting this to work but I'm still getting >> permission errors. >> >> I did a2ensite which resolved just fine and chmod /srv to 755 >> recursively as well as insuring all the files below are executable. My >> file inside /etc/apache2/sites-enabled (sym'd to sites-available) is set >> as such: >> > > > [snip] > > Sorry if you already did this, but did you reload Apache after enabling > the new virtual host: sudo service apache reload > > > > Oh, absolutely! Many times as I went through a variety of settings. -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse From sdubois at linux.com Sat Jul 19 21:09:41 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:09:41 -0700 Subject: New VirtualHost In-Reply-To: <53C83416.3040400@node2.info> References: <53C81187.7020600@linux.com> <53C83416.3040400@node2.info> Message-ID: <53CADE95.3000004@linux.com> On 07/17/2014 01:37 PM, my mail wrote: > On 07/17/2014 02:10 PM, Scott DuBois wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Over the last few days I've been working on setting up a new VirtualHost >> inside Kubuntu 14.04 and been having difficulty getting any results >> outside of the /var/www directory. >> >> I've been playing around with LAMP stacks for a number of years as >> simple development platforms for HTML, CSS and MySQL projects but as I'm >> starting to learn Perl and thought I would set up CGI scripting to >> /var/www which is working great then got a "wild hair" and thought I >> would try setting up a new VirtualHost pointed to /srv for practice in >> going through the motions of getting this to work but I'm still getting >> permission errors. >> >> I did a2ensite which resolved just fine and chmod /srv to 755 >> recursively as well as insuring all the files below are executable. My >> file inside /etc/apache2/sites-enabled (sym'd to sites-available) is set >> as such: >> > > > [snip] > > Sorry if you already did this, but did you reload Apache after enabling > the new virtual host: sudo service apache reload > > > > As this was the last message in the thread, I just wanted to take this moment and thank everyone who tried to help and let all those who subscribe to the list know that I have finally solved the problem I was trying for. After reading the following article, it made sense that I was trying to establish a second DocumentRoot and access as a separate server location when what I really wanted to do was serve a website from a location separate from /var/www/html being /srv/www. While not intentionally trying to escape sudo to my webdocs, the concept was parallel to my goal. After successfully establishing two separate VirtualHost documents, thus being able to establish two separate addresses the documents could be retrieved from, I was still unable to force feed from /srv/www. however, after creating a link: ln -sT /srv/www to /var/www/html/srv webdocs(/srv/www) -----> DocumentRoot(/var/www/html) -----> Browser This provided the results I was essentially looking for and as such, can move projects outside sudo and organize as desired. Such a simple fix once approached from a different perspective. http://askubuntu.com/questions/46331/how-to-avoid-using-sudo-when-working-in-var-www Thanks again to everyone who tried to help as each suggestion got me closer to the solution. ;P -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 12:30:49 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:30:49 +0200 Subject: Kgpg problems Message-ID: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> Friends, being on 14.04 I have since somewhere in 2007 sometimes used (k)gpg to sign files and the odd email. I admit it is not very often and when I now read of someone having issues with kpgp I discovered that I too had serious issues. On starting the program it could not find or import my keyrings and I eventually had to delete my .conf file and reimport the original version of my key files. That I luckily have kept all these years... Kgpg was still complaining that it could not import the files but DID import them. I am not too overly impressed... for those who do use it I think it is pretty important that it actually DOES work when you want to use it? Regards Sinclair From dethadol at pwatson.me.uk Sun Jul 20 23:17:18 2014 From: dethadol at pwatson.me.uk (Peter Watson) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 00:17:18 +0100 Subject: Kgpg problems In-Reply-To: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> References: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53CC4DFE.3040004@pwatson.me.uk> On 20/07/14 13:30, O. Sinclair wrote: > Friends, > > being on 14.04 I have since somewhere in 2007 sometimes used (k)gpg to > sign files and the odd email. > > I admit it is not very often and when I now read of someone having > issues with kpgp I discovered that I too had serious issues. > > On starting the program it could not find or import my keyrings and I > eventually had to delete my .conf file and reimport the original > version of my key files. That I luckily have kept all these years... > > Kgpg was still complaining that it could not import the files but DID > import them. > > I am not too overly impressed... for those who do use it I think it is > pretty important that it actually DOES work when you want to use it? > > Regards > Sinclair > I have not had a problem with Kgpg in 14.04. I keep my keys on an SD card and ater installing 14.04 I just insert the card and double click on the keys I want to import and they were imported without any problem and unencrypt documents previously encrypted wirh previous versions of Kubuntu. Regards Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 03:38:30 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 05:38:30 +0200 Subject: Kgpg problems In-Reply-To: <53CC4DFE.3040004@pwatson.me.uk> References: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> <53CC4DFE.3040004@pwatson.me.uk> Message-ID: <53CC8B36.9000601@gmail.com> On 21/07/2014 01:17, Peter Watson wrote: > On 20/07/14 13:30, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Friends, >> >> being on 14.04 I have since somewhere in 2007 sometimes used (k)gpg to >> sign files and the odd email. >> >> I admit it is not very often and when I now read of someone having >> issues with kpgp I discovered that I too had serious issues. >> >> On starting the program it could not find or import my keyrings and I >> eventually had to delete my .conf file and reimport the original >> version of my key files. That I luckily have kept all these years... >> >> Kgpg was still complaining that it could not import the files but DID >> import them. >> >> I am not too overly impressed... for those who do use it I think it is >> pretty important that it actually DOES work when you want to use it? >> >> Regards >> Sinclair >> > I have not had a problem with Kgpg in 14.04. I keep my keys on an SD > card and ater installing 14.04 I just insert the card and double click > on the keys I want to import and they were imported without any problem > and unencrypt documents previously encrypted wirh previous versions of > Kubuntu. > > Regards Pete > > In a way I am happy to hear that the issue seems to be my installation.. I kept on "fighting" with it yesterday and all now seems to be working though I had to delete the conf file 2 times and reimport my keys From support at asiadigitalprivacy.net Tue Jul 22 01:00:30 2014 From: support at asiadigitalprivacy.net (support) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:00:30 +0800 Subject: Kgpg problems In-Reply-To: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> References: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53CDB7AE.5000707@asiadigitalprivacy.net> Sinclair, My advice would be just stick with gnupg (files) and enigmail (email). Seahorse is deprecated / not maintained but actually still works fine too if you want GUI based key management features of any kind. Its pretty much fine. Nate On 20/07/2014 20:30, O. Sinclair wrote: > Friends, > > being on 14.04 I have since somewhere in 2007 sometimes used (k)gpg to > sign files and the odd email. > > I admit it is not very often and when I now read of someone having > issues with kpgp I discovered that I too had serious issues. > > On starting the program it could not find or import my keyrings and I > eventually had to delete my .conf file and reimport the original > version of my key files. That I luckily have kept all these years... > > Kgpg was still complaining that it could not import the files but DID > import them. > > I am not too overly impressed... for those who do use it I think it is > pretty important that it actually DOES work when you want to use it? > > Regards > Sinclair > From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 04:20:38 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 06:20:38 +0200 Subject: Kgpg problems In-Reply-To: <53CDB7AE.5000707@asiadigitalprivacy.net> References: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> <53CDB7AE.5000707@asiadigitalprivacy.net> Message-ID: <53CDE696.6000900@gmail.com> On 22/07/2014 03:00, support wrote: > Sinclair, > > My advice would be just stick with gnupg (files) and enigmail > (email). Seahorse is deprecated / not maintained but actually still > works fine too if you want GUI based key management features of any > kind. Its pretty much fine. > > Nate > > > On 20/07/2014 20:30, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Friends, >> >> being on 14.04 I have since somewhere in 2007 sometimes used >> (k)gpg to sign files and the odd email. >> >> I admit it is not very often and when I now read of someone >> having issues with kpgp I discovered that I too had serious >> issues. >> >> On starting the program it could not find or import my keyrings >> and I eventually had to delete my .conf file and reimport the >> original version of my key files. That I luckily have kept all >> these years... >> >> Kgpg was still complaining that it could not import the files but >> DID import them. >> >> I am not too overly impressed... for those who do use it I think >> it is pretty important that it actually DOES work when you want >> to use it? >> Well, in this case gnupg commmand line also had problems and kgpg is depending on it. What went wrong I have no idea, as I wrote I had to delete the gnupg.conf file twice and reimport my keypair before things started working again. Kgpg is "just" a gui for gnupg. As for enigmail I use it for thunderbird just as I use Kleopatra for Kmail. Yes I use both mail clients in order to separate work mail and other mail From clay at claydoh.com Tue Jul 22 04:55:57 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:55:57 -0400 Subject: Kgpg problems In-Reply-To: <53CDE696.6000900@gmail.com> References: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> <53CDB7AE.5000707@asiadigitalprivacy.net> <53CDE696.6000900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2871789.WIz8gfF7NL@lark-latitude-d630> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 06:20:38 AM O. Sinclair wrote: > On 22/07/2014 03:00, support wrote: > > Sinclair, > > > > My advice would be just stick with gnupg (files) and enigmail > > (email). Seahorse is deprecated / not maintained but actually still > > works fine too if you want GUI based key management features of any > > kind. Its pretty much fine. > > > > Nate > > > > On 20/07/2014 20:30, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Friends, > >> > >> being on 14.04 I have since somewhere in 2007 sometimes used > >> (k)gpg to sign files and the odd email. > >> > >> I admit it is not very often and when I now read of someone > >> having issues with kpgp I discovered that I too had serious > >> issues. > >> > >> On starting the program it could not find or import my keyrings > >> and I eventually had to delete my .conf file and reimport the > >> original version of my key files. That I luckily have kept all > >> these years... > >> > >> Kgpg was still complaining that it could not import the files but > >> DID import them. > >> > >> I am not too overly impressed... for those who do use it I think > >> it is pretty important that it actually DOES work when you want > >> to use it? > > Well, in this case gnupg commmand line also had problems and kgpg is > depending on it. What went wrong I have no idea, as I wrote I had to > delete the gnupg.conf file twice and reimport my keypair before things > started working again. > > Kgpg is "just" a gui for gnupg. As for enigmail I use it for > thunderbird just as I use Kleopatra for Kmail. Yes I use both mail > clients in order to separate work mail and other mail Since kgpg and kleopatra are both front-ends, could they possibly be fighting each other somehow, each one changing the gpg.conf file? -- Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 06:29:57 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 08:29:57 +0200 Subject: Kgpg problems In-Reply-To: <2871789.WIz8gfF7NL@lark-latitude-d630> References: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> <53CDB7AE.5000707@asiadigitalprivacy.net> <53CDE696.6000900@gmail.com> <2871789.WIz8gfF7NL@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: <53CE04E5.1030905@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 22/07/2014 06:55, Clay Weber wrote: > On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 06:20:38 AM O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 22/07/2014 03:00, support wrote: >>> Sinclair, >>> >>> My advice would be just stick with gnupg (files) and enigmail >>> (email). Seahorse is deprecated / not maintained but actually >>> still works fine too if you want GUI based key management >>> features of > any >>> kind. Its pretty much fine. >>> >>> Nate >>> >>> On 20/07/2014 20:30, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> Friends, >>>> >>>> being on 14.04 I have since somewhere in 2007 sometimes used >>>> (k)gpg to sign files and the odd email. >>>> >>>> I admit it is not very often and when I now read of someone >>>> having issues with kpgp I discovered that I too had serious >>>> issues. >>>> >>>> On starting the program it could not find or import my >>>> keyrings and I eventually had to delete my .conf file and >>>> reimport the original version of my key files. That I luckily >>>> have kept all these years... >>>> >>>> Kgpg was still complaining that it could not import the files >>>> but DID import them. >>>> >>>> I am not too overly impressed... for those who do use it I >>>> think it is pretty important that it actually DOES work when >>>> you want to use it? >> >> Well, in this case gnupg commmand line also had problems and kgpg >> > is >> depending on it. What went wrong I have no idea, as I wrote I had >> to delete the gnupg.conf file twice and reimport my keypair >> before > things >> started working again. >> >> Kgpg is "just" a gui for gnupg. As for enigmail I use it for >> thunderbird just as I use Kleopatra for Kmail. Yes I use both >> mail clients in order to separate work mail and other mail > > Since kgpg and kleopatra are both front-ends, could they possibly > be fighting each other somehow, each one changing the gpg.conf > file? > > if so that would be bad - but no I don't think so. I think that somewhere along the line of upgrades and "clean installations" something went wrong with the config file. I did a "clean sweep" installation of Trusty so possibly a newer version of gnupg could not read my config file? Admittedly I do not use the encryption or signing facilities very often but when now wanted to I found it disturbing that it took me such an effort. It seems however that I should not have blamed kgpg but rather some change/upgrade in the underlying technology. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlPOBOUACgkQdVb2AWQj/7Y46ACfZ4O6aCeTu//0QPMyanRM5uvK s0gAoLEulwYjwTINw1AcA/nx8cCKPDWU =8cp9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sdubois at linux.com Tue Jul 22 16:15:48 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:15:48 -0700 Subject: Kgpg problems In-Reply-To: <53CC4DFE.3040004@pwatson.me.uk> References: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> <53CC4DFE.3040004@pwatson.me.uk> Message-ID: <53CE8E34.6090208@linux.com> On 07/20/2014 04:17 PM, Peter Watson wrote: > On 20/07/14 13:30, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Friends, >> >> being on 14.04 I have since somewhere in 2007 sometimes used (k)gpg to >> sign files and the odd email. >> >> I admit it is not very often and when I now read of someone having >> issues with kpgp I discovered that I too had serious issues. >> >> On starting the program it could not find or import my keyrings and I >> eventually had to delete my .conf file and reimport the original >> version of my key files. That I luckily have kept all these years... >> >> Kgpg was still complaining that it could not import the files but DID >> import them. >> >> I am not too overly impressed... for those who do use it I think it is >> pretty important that it actually DOES work when you want to use it? >> >> Regards >> Sinclair >> > I have not had a problem with Kgpg in 14.04. I keep my keys on an SD > card and ater installing 14.04 I just insert the card and double click > on the keys I want to import and they were imported without any problem > and unencrypt documents previously encrypted wirh previous versions of > Kubuntu. > > Regards Pete > > I too have never had an issue with Kgpg on 14.04 or any of the previous releases but I empathize with your situation. Did you try removing and re-installing to see if new libraries might pull in or something? As a secondary solution, you might also want to give enigmail a go and see how that works for you. Yes, having to go through Thunderbird to utilize key management is rather bloated but, enigmail works really well and enigmail will sync data nicely with Kgpg. -- Scott DuBois President EBLUG BSIT Software Engineering Freenode: Roguehorse From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 06:07:50 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 08:07:50 +0200 Subject: Kgpg problems In-Reply-To: <53CE8E34.6090208@linux.com> References: <53CBB679.1060801@gmail.com> <53CC4DFE.3040004@pwatson.me.uk> <53CE8E34.6090208@linux.com> Message-ID: <53CF5136.9040307@gmail.com> On 22/07/2014 18:15, Scott DuBois wrote: > On 07/20/2014 04:17 PM, Peter Watson wrote: >> On 20/07/14 13:30, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> Friends, >>> >>> being on 14.04 I have since somewhere in 2007 sometimes used >>> (k)gpg to sign files and the odd email. >>> >>> I admit it is not very often and when I now read of someone >>> having issues with kpgp I discovered that I too had serious >>> issues. >>> >>> On starting the program it could not find or import my keyrings >>> and I eventually had to delete my .conf file and reimport the >>> original version of my key files. That I luckily have kept all >>> these years... >>> >>> Kgpg was still complaining that it could not import the files >>> but DID import them. >>> >>> I am not too overly impressed... for those who do use it I >>> think it is pretty important that it actually DOES work when >>> you want to use it? >>> >>> Regards Sinclair >>> >> I have not had a problem with Kgpg in 14.04. I keep my keys on an >> SD card and ater installing 14.04 I just insert the card and >> double click on the keys I want to import and they were imported >> without any problem and unencrypt documents previously encrypted >> wirh previous versions of Kubuntu. >> >> Regards Pete >> >> > > I too have never had an issue with Kgpg on 14.04 or any of the > previous releases but I empathize with your situation. Did you try > removing and re-installing to see if new libraries might pull in or > something? > > As a secondary solution, you might also want to give enigmail a go > and see how that works for you. Yes, having to go through > Thunderbird to utilize key management is rather bloated but, > enigmail works really well and enigmail will sync data nicely with > Kgpg. > well the problem is now sorted and I do use both Enigmail, Kleopatra and Kgpg as I use both Thunderbird and KMail From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Tue Jul 29 02:08:48 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Man Doesn't Work Message-ID: Howdy; As to the Subject: line, yeah. I know, fire him. Anyway, I've been working on 12.04, trying to get SSL/TLS working, *again*, when shortly there after, the man command quit working. I don't know what happened, or how, but when I type, "man cmndname", what I get is: man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct. Echoing $LANG renders, "en_US.UTF-8", and $LC* returns a _long_ list of files and directories from my /home/ dir. Anyone know how to fix this? Bill From kde.lists at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 04:32:06 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:32:06 +0200 Subject: Man Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1406608326.2414.5.camel@yahoo.com> Does LANG=C man command_name or LC_ALL=C man command_name work? Did you run locale-gen and dpkg-reconfigure locales? root at saucy:~# locale-gen Generating locales... de_DE.UTF-8... done en_AG.UTF-8... done en_AU.UTF-8... done en_BW.UTF-8... done en_CA.UTF-8... done en_DK.UTF-8... done en_GB.UTF-8... done en_HK.UTF-8... done en_IE.UTF-8... done en_IN.UTF-8... done en_NG.UTF-8... done en_NZ.UTF-8... done en_PH.UTF-8... done en_SG.UTF-8... done en_US.UTF-8... up-to-date en_ZA.UTF-8... done en_ZM.UTF-8... done en_ZW.UTF-8... done Generation complete. root at saucy:~# dpkg-reconfigure locales Generating locales... de_DE.UTF-8... up-to-date en_AG.UTF-8... up-to-date en_AU.UTF-8... up-to-date en_BW.UTF-8... up-to-date en_CA.UTF-8... up-to-date en_DK.UTF-8... up-to-date en_GB.UTF-8... up-to-date en_HK.UTF-8... up-to-date en_IE.UTF-8... up-to-date en_IN.UTF-8... up-to-date en_NG.UTF-8... up-to-date en_NZ.UTF-8... up-to-date en_PH.UTF-8... up-to-date en_SG.UTF-8... up-to-date en_US.UTF-8... up-to-date en_ZA.UTF-8... up-to-date en_ZM.UTF-8... up-to-date en_ZW.UTF-8... up-to-date Generation complete. What's the output of locale -a? I e.g. get this for an Arch install and for a Kubuntu install: [root at archlinux rocketmouse]# locale -a C de_DE de_DE at euro de_DE.iso88591 de_DE.iso885915 at euro de_DE.utf8 deutsch en_GB en_GB.iso88591 en_GB.utf8 en_US en_US.iso88591 en_US.utf8 german POSIX [root at archlinux rocketmouse]# systemd-nspawn -D /mnt/saucy/ root at saucy:~# locale -a C C.UTF-8 POSIX de_DE.utf8 en_AG en_AG.utf8 en_AU.utf8 en_BW.utf8 en_CA.utf8 en_DK.utf8 en_GB.utf8 en_HK.utf8 en_IE.utf8 en_IN en_IN.utf8 en_NG en_NG.utf8 en_NZ.utf8 en_PH.utf8 en_SG.utf8 en_US.utf8 en_ZA.utf8 en_ZM en_ZM.utf8 en_ZW.utf8 From kassube at gmx.net Tue Jul 29 04:46:59 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:46:59 +0200 Subject: Man Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1696423.eILphT6ppA@p5915> Bill Vance wrote: > I don't know what > happened, or how, but when I type, "man cmndname", > what I get is: > > man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG > are correct. > > Echoing $LANG renders, "en_US.UTF-8", and $LC* returns > a _long_ list of files and directories from my /home/ > dir. $LC* is probably not what you want because the shell would read the "$LC" variable (which is empty) and append the "*" which makes the result "*" ... and that are all the files in your current directory. According to I would think that the command sudo locale-gen should fix your problem. Nils From kde.lists at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 05:02:44 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:02:44 +0200 Subject: Man Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: <1406608326.2414.5.camel@yahoo.com> References: <1406608326.2414.5.camel@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1406610164.2414.7.camel@yahoo.com> PS: Since I won't boot Kubntu, I'm not sure how the output of locale without an argument should be. [root at archlinux rocketmouse]# locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL= [root at archlinux rocketmouse]# systemd-nspawn -D /mnt/saucy/ This is what I get, if running Kubuntu in a container: root at saucy:~# locale LANG= LANGUAGE= LC_CTYPE="POSIX" LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" LC_TIME="POSIX" LC_COLLATE="POSIX" LC_MONETARY="POSIX" LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" LC_PAPER="POSIX" LC_NAME="POSIX" LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" LC_ALL= From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Tue Jul 29 05:36:16 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Man Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: <1406608326.2414.5.camel@yahoo.com> References: <1406608326.2414.5.camel@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Does > LANG=C man command_name > or > LC_ALL=C man command_name > work? > > Did you run locale-gen and dpkg-reconfigure >locales? [SNIP] I just used both, and I think I'll stop while I'm ahead. Thanks guys, everythings working again. Bill From kassube at gmx.net Tue Jul 29 05:56:54 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:56:54 +0200 Subject: Man Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: <1406610164.2414.7.camel@yahoo.com> References: <1406608326.2414.5.camel@yahoo.com> <1406610164.2414.7.camel@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2426808.RmRKtha3yB@p5915> Ralf Mardorf wrote: > PS: Since I won't boot Kubntu, I'm not sure how the output of locale > without an argument should be. > This is what I get, if running Kubuntu in a container: > > root at saucy:~# locale > LANG= > LANGUAGE= > LC_CTYPE="POSIX" > LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" > LC_TIME="POSIX" > LC_COLLATE="POSIX" > LC_MONETARY="POSIX" > LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" > LC_PAPER="POSIX" > LC_NAME="POSIX" > LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" > LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" > LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" > LC_ALL= It seems like your container doesn't have an installed Kubuntu but only something similar. The installer would ask for your location and setup the locale accordingly. As an example, here is the output of the locale command on my machine: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=de_DE LC_CTYPE="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_TIME="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_NAME="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE.UTF-8" LC_ALL= Nils From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Wed Jul 30 08:47:43 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 01:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Man Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: <1406608326.2414.5.camel@yahoo.com> References: <1406608326.2414.5.camel@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Finally managing to get bak to it..... On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Does > LANG=C man command_name > or > LC_ALL=C man command_name > work? Yes they do. > Did you run locale-gen and dpkg-reconfigure locales? [SNIP] I get: # locale-gen Generating locales... en_US.UTF-8... up-to-date Generation complete. and: # dpkg-reconfigure localesGenerating locales... en_US.UTF-8... up-to-date Generation complete. > What's the output of locale -a? # locale -a C C.UTF-8 POSIX en_US.utf8 Nothing like the long lists you guys get. I'm also seeing some weird messages about whether some emails are utf8 or not, etc. Bill From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:16:44 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:16:44 +0200 Subject: Connect Kontact/KDEPIM 4.13.x to Office365.com Message-ID: <53D8FE4C.9010909@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Connect Kontact/KDEPIM 4.13.x to Office365.com For business reasons I have to use Office365 online Exchange mail as that is where one of my accounts are now hosted. This is an attempt to assist others in the same situation, for all I know it could also be useful for "in house" MS Exchange server hosts. Scenario: you want to use KDEPIM Kontact 4.13.x - your employer, customer etc is on cloudbased Office365.com or other exchange server With the help of a number of postings on KDEForums, Askubuntu.com and other internet sites I have put this "how-to" together, all credits to those who I cut and paste from, little credit to me 1. Get mail working. This is fairly easy as Office365 supports both pop3 and IMAP4, in this case I have chosen IMAP4 myself. Instructions for settings found here:http://tinyurl.com/p7o6bmb for me this works just fine 2. Get your Office365 calendar and contacts in Kontact. Way more complicated. The only way I have found is to use DavMail as intermediary "go-between". So first of all install DavMail, for Debian/(x)Ubuntu users here is a deb package, for others a shell installer: http://davmail.sourceforge.net/download.html Once that is done you start DavMail and configure it. In KDE a "systray" should pop up where you can put basic settings. In my case I "untick" the mail settings but leave Caldav and LDAP settings. The other setting you need is OWA URL that for Office365 is https://outlook.office365.com/owa all other settings are done in Kontact/KDEPIM 3. To get your Calendar working (I have not tried shared calendars, feel free to experiment): System Settings =Personal Information => Add=> DAV groupware resource => DAVical => user and password - put \yourid at yourdomain.comorgnet and your password, choose Davical server. For server name and path put anything, you will edit later in any case. Click "Finish" On next menu set a name for your resource and click "Edit" on the fictional resource. Leave "CalDav" as protocol but change remote url to http://localhost:1080/users/yourname at yo.../calendar/ and credentials to \yourname at yourdomain.comorg and your password then click "Fetch" and your Calendar should show up. Set your preferred refesh rate and in Kontacts do not forget to now tick this Calendar to activate it 4. To get your Contacts working: System Settings =Personal Information => Add=> DAV groupware resource => DAVical => user and password - put \yourid at yourdomain.comorgnet and your password, choose Davical server. For server name and path put anything, you will edit later in any case. Click "Finish" On next menu set a name for your resource and click "Edit" on the fictional resource. Choose "CardDav" as protocol but change remote url to http://localhost:1080/users/yourname at yo.../contacts/ and credentials to \yourname at yourdomain.comorg and your password then click "Fetch" and your Contacts should show up. Set your preferred refesh rate and in Kontacts do not forget to now tick this Address Book to activate it 5. Finally (at least for me) to access "public address books". They can be found as LDAP via Kontact/Kaddressbook but it is, mildly put, less than intuitive in KMail, open a new mail. In Composer then choose "select" in the Address area. From there choose "Search Directory Service" and then click "Configure LDAP servers" Set this up as "host:localhost", "port:1389", "DN=ou.people", "authentication:simple" "Bind DN as \yourid at yourdomain.comorgnet" and password well you should know next time you compose a new mail you can now "search directory service" but you will not be able to (to my knowledge) to use it as an Addressbook. The solution is awkward but works -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlPY/kwACgkQdVb2AWQj/7bqywCg7GNvApuFZU8II5PxrjNHE3fs mfIAoKL9Np48ZrkWY4kSFy0y9NOx4Iz7 =H8D/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 06:21:49 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:21:49 +0200 Subject: Connect Kontact/KDEPIM 4.13.x to Office365.com UPDATED Message-ID: <53D9E07D.1020401@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Connect Kontact/KDEPIM 4.13.x to Office365.com For business reasons I have to use Office365 online Exchange mail as that is where one of my accounts are now hosted. This is an attempt to assist others in the same situation, for all I know it could also be useful for "in house" MS Exchange server hosts. Scenario: you want to use KDEPIM Kontact 4.13.x - your employer, customer etc is on cloudbased Office365.com or other exchange server With the help of a number of postings on KDEForums, Askubuntu.com and other internet sites I have put this "how-to" together, all credits to those who I cut and paste from, little credit to me 1. Get mail working. This is fairly easy as Office365 supports both pop3 and IMAP4, in this case I have chosen IMAP4 myself. Instructions for settings found here: http://office.microsoft.com/en-001/office-online-help/use-pop-or-imap-to-connect-to-office-365-for-business-or-microsoft-exchange-accounts-HA102834584.aspx#_Toc383168119 for me this works just fine 2. Get your Office365 calendar and contacts in Kontact. Way more complicated. The only way I have found is to use DavMail as intermediary "go-between". So first of all install DavMail, for Debian/(x)Ubuntu users here is a deb package, for others a shell installer: http://davmail.sourceforge.net/download.html Once that is done you start DavMail and configure it. In KDE a "systray" should pop up where you can put basic settings. In my case I "untick" the mail settings but leave Caldav and LDAP settings. The other setting you need is OWA URL that for Office365 is https://outlook.office365.com/owa all other settings are done in Kontact/KDEPIM 3. To get your Calendar working (I have not tried shared calendars, feel free to experiment): System Settings =Personal Information => Add=> DAV groupware resource => DAVical => user and password - put \yourid at yourdomain.comorgnet and your password, choose Davical server. For server name and path put anything, you will edit later in any case. Click "Finish" On next menu set a name for your resource and click "Edit" on the fictional resource. Leave "CalDav" as protocol but change remote url to http://localhost:1080/users/yourname at yo ... /calendar/ and credentials to \yourname at yourdomain.comorg and your password then click "Fetch" and your Calendar should show up. Set your preferred refesh rate and in Kontacts do not forget to now tick this Calendar to activate it 4. To get your Contacts working: System Settings =Personal Information => Add=> DAV groupware resource => DAVical => user and password - put \yourid at yourdomain.comorgnet and your password, choose Davical server. For server name and path put anything, you will edit later in any case. Click "Finish" On next menu set a name for your resource and click "Edit" on the fictional resource. Choose "CardDav" as protocol but change remote url to http://localhost:1080/users/yourname at yo ... /contacts/ and credentials to \yourname at yourdomain.comorg and your password then click "Fetch" and your Contacts should show up. Set your preferred refesh rate and in Kontacts do not forget to now tick this Address Book to activate it 5. Finally (at least for me) to access "public address books". They can be found as LDAP via Kontact/Kaddressbook but it is, mildly put, less than intuitive in KAddressbook,-> Settings -> configure KAddressbook Then select on the left column LDAP Server Settings and click "add host" Set this up as "host:localhost", "port:1389", "DN=ou.people", "authentication:simple" "Bind DN" as "\yourid at yourdomain.comorgnet" and password well you should know next time you compose a new mail you can now use "Select" and then "search directory service" but you will not be able to (to my knowledge) to use it as an ordinary Addressbook. The solution is awkward but works -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlPZ4H0ACgkQdVb2AWQj/7a3XACcD9SnmY0UStr73/QlAK6R8KKE wd8AoMGN0PYu7a8j8IWSyDd2GHfp5aTG =MqCR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 07:37:21 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:37:21 +0200 Subject: 4.13.3 in Trusty Message-ID: <53D9F231.1000702@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Updates for 4.13.3 is now available in kubuntu-updates ppa. For users of KMail this is a awesome update as it sorts issues with html-viewing and memory leaks. Sinclair -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlPZ8jEACgkQdVb2AWQj/7Y1qACdGCVa61+/B/68+z0pzwiS/qhm 1x8Anjf5Y4nSShkg1vT5fCNWCqeVcANy =oBJP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----