From blchupin at iinet.net.au Fri Nov 1 04:35:01 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 15:35:01 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <20344114.IECxRqWVYU@p5915> <527265E7.1070407@iinet.net.au> <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> Message-ID: <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> On 01/11/13 01:41, Nils Kassube wrote: > Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 01/11/13 01:05, Nils Kassube wrote: >>> Basil Chupin wrote: >>>> On 01/11/13 00:26, Nils Kassube wrote: >>>>> I also tried it with a DVD+RW which I reformatted (with the force >>>>> option of k3b) >>>> Which is rather interesting because when I tried this I got the >>>> same >>>> result as doing a normal erase/format - that is, it didn't do >>>> anything and gave me the message that you don't format an already >>>> formatted disc. >>>> >>>> This was with DVD+RW. Perhaps a different result if a DVD-RW is >>>> used? >>> I also got the message that you shouldn't format the DVD+RW and it >>> didn't format it when I tried it the first time. Then I used the >>> force option and k3b formatted the disk but also wrote the warning >>> mentioned in my previous mail. I don't have a DVD-RW to check it, >>> but I think there should be no difference. >> I was actually referring to the use of the force option (and not the >> quick format). >> >> I have 2 DVD+RWs, one with data and one with a copy of an actual DVD >> movie. Neither were touched by k3b's Force format and the contents >> therefore remained intact. > Hmm, that's interesting - is the behaviour the same with and without the > force option ticked? On my DVD+RW was an old Xubuntu livecd image before > I formatted it. Maybe it is a feature of the underlying cdrecord > version. Kubuntu 12.04 actually uses Wodim 1.1.11 - maybe your Opensuse > version behaves differently and ignores the force option? Interesting indeed - in more ways than one. openSUSE does indeed use cdrecord - but not Ubuntu/(?)Kubuntu. Here is an extract from the "blog" of k3b's author: quote OpenSuSE OpenSuSE cdrecord packet Ark Linux Ak Linux ships both Cdrtools-3.00 for Ubuntu from user Antiqua see ubuntu forum... The Ubuntu burning team is preparing a package for the original cdrtools. Ubuntu cdrecord+mkisofs+cdd2wav packet Package archive of the ubuntu burning team with attitional hints (e.g. how to modify /etc/apt/sources.list to allow the installation). Unfortunately, Mark Shuttleworth seems no longer be interested in freedom and stopped the attempt to make Ubuntu legal again, so be very careful on Ubuntu. What is the background for the forks? unquote http://cdrecord.berlios.de/new/private/linux-dist.html The whole article is worth reading. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 07:12:33 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:12:33 +0200 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <20344114.IECxRqWVYU@p5915> <527265E7.1070407@iinet.net.au> <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <52735461.4060201@gmail.com> On 11/01/2013 06:35 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 01/11/13 01:41, Nils Kassube wrote: >> Basil Chupin wrote: >>> On 01/11/13 01:05, Nils Kassube wrote: >>>> Basil Chupin wrote: >>>>> On 01/11/13 00:26, Nils Kassube wrote: >>>>>> I also tried it with a DVD+RW which I reformatted (with the force >>>>>> option of k3b) >>>>> Which is rather interesting because when I tried this I got the >>>>> same >>>>> result as doing a normal erase/format - that is, it didn't do >>>>> anything and gave me the message that you don't format an already >>>>> formatted disc. >>>>> >>>>> This was with DVD+RW. Perhaps a different result if a DVD-RW is >>>>> used? >>>> I also got the message that you shouldn't format the DVD+RW and it >>>> didn't format it when I tried it the first time. Then I used the >>>> force option and k3b formatted the disk but also wrote the warning >>>> mentioned in my previous mail. I don't have a DVD-RW to check it, >>>> but I think there should be no difference. >>> I was actually referring to the use of the force option (and not the >>> quick format). >>> >>> I have 2 DVD+RWs, one with data and one with a copy of an actual DVD >>> movie. Neither were touched by k3b's Force format and the contents >>> therefore remained intact. >> Hmm, that's interesting - is the behaviour the same with and without the >> force option ticked? On my DVD+RW was an old Xubuntu livecd image before >> I formatted it. Maybe it is a feature of the underlying cdrecord >> version. Kubuntu 12.04 actually uses Wodim 1.1.11 - maybe your Opensuse >> version behaves differently and ignores the force option? > > Interesting indeed - in more ways than one. > > openSUSE does indeed use cdrecord - but not Ubuntu/(?)Kubuntu. > > Here is an extract from the "blog" of k3b's author: > > quote > > OpenSuSE > > OpenSuSE cdrecord packet > > Ark Linux > > Ak Linux ships both > > Cdrtools-3.00 for Ubuntu from user Antiqua see ubuntu forum... > > The Ubuntu burning team is preparing a package for the original cdrtools. > > Ubuntu cdrecord+mkisofs+cdd2wav packet > Package archive of the ubuntu burning team with attitional hints (e.g. > how to modify /etc/apt/sources.list to allow the installation). > > Unfortunately, Mark Shuttleworth seems no longer be interested in > freedom and stopped the attempt to make Ubuntu legal again, so be very > careful on Ubuntu. > What is the background for the forks? > > unquote > > http://cdrecord.berlios.de/new/private/linux-dist.html > > The whole article is worth reading. > https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/cdrtools?field.series_filter=quantal am not sure if it solves anything or makes matters worse, yet to try it out myself From kassube at gmx.net Fri Nov 1 07:54:02 2013 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 08:54:02 +0100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <3653038.tZMQgbxpz9@p5915> Basil Chupin wrote: > On 01/11/13 01:41, Nils Kassube wrote: > > Hmm, that's interesting - is the behaviour the same with and without > > the force option ticked? On my DVD+RW was an old Xubuntu livecd > > image before I formatted it. Maybe it is a feature of the > > underlying cdrecord version. Kubuntu 12.04 actually uses Wodim > > 1.1.11 - maybe your Opensuse version behaves differently and > > ignores the force option? > > Interesting indeed - in more ways than one. > > openSUSE does indeed use cdrecord - but not Ubuntu/(?)Kubuntu. > http://cdrecord.berlios.de/new/private/linux-dist.html > > The whole article is worth reading. Well, it is an interesting article indeed, but I don't see how it matters in this case. We were discussing a difference between Opensuse and Kubuntu where the Opensuse version of k3b and the underlying tool cdrecord seems to ignore the force option while the Kubuntu version with the underlying tool wodim honors that option. And to get back on topic, the OP was using the Kubuntu version to reformat rewritable DVDs which obviously worked. However, formatting with k3b is more like erasing the disk. So there is still the original question, how to make the disk mountable, i.e. format it with UDF. Nils From blchupin at iinet.net.au Fri Nov 1 07:56:16 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:56:16 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <52735461.4060201@gmail.com> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <20344114.IECxRqWVYU@p5915> <527265E7.1070407@iinet.net.au> <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> <52735461.4060201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52735EA0.90104@iinet.net.au> On 01/11/13 18:12, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 11/01/2013 06:35 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 01/11/13 01:41, Nils Kassube wrote: >>> Basil Chupin wrote: >>>> On 01/11/13 01:05, Nils Kassube wrote: >>>>> Basil Chupin wrote: >>>>>> On 01/11/13 00:26, Nils Kassube wrote: >>>>>>> I also tried it with a DVD+RW which I reformatted (with the force >>>>>>> option of k3b) >>>>>> Which is rather interesting because when I tried this I got the >>>>>> same >>>>>> result as doing a normal erase/format - that is, it didn't do >>>>>> anything and gave me the message that you don't format an already >>>>>> formatted disc. >>>>>> >>>>>> This was with DVD+RW. Perhaps a different result if a DVD-RW is >>>>>> used? >>>>> I also got the message that you shouldn't format the DVD+RW and it >>>>> didn't format it when I tried it the first time. Then I used the >>>>> force option and k3b formatted the disk but also wrote the warning >>>>> mentioned in my previous mail. I don't have a DVD-RW to check it, >>>>> but I think there should be no difference. >>>> I was actually referring to the use of the force option (and not the >>>> quick format). >>>> >>>> I have 2 DVD+RWs, one with data and one with a copy of an actual DVD >>>> movie. Neither were touched by k3b's Force format and the contents >>>> therefore remained intact. >>> Hmm, that's interesting - is the behaviour the same with and without >>> the >>> force option ticked? On my DVD+RW was an old Xubuntu livecd image >>> before >>> I formatted it. Maybe it is a feature of the underlying cdrecord >>> version. Kubuntu 12.04 actually uses Wodim 1.1.11 - maybe your Opensuse >>> version behaves differently and ignores the force option? >> >> Interesting indeed - in more ways than one. >> >> openSUSE does indeed use cdrecord - but not Ubuntu/(?)Kubuntu. >> >> Here is an extract from the "blog" of k3b's author: >> >> quote >> >> OpenSuSE >> >> OpenSuSE cdrecord packet >> >> Ark Linux >> >> Ak Linux ships both >> >> Cdrtools-3.00 for Ubuntu from user Antiqua see ubuntu forum... >> >> The Ubuntu burning team is preparing a package for the original >> cdrtools. >> >> Ubuntu cdrecord+mkisofs+cdd2wav packet >> Package archive of the ubuntu burning team with attitional hints (e.g. >> how to modify /etc/apt/sources.list to allow the installation). >> >> Unfortunately, Mark Shuttleworth seems no longer be interested in >> freedom and stopped the attempt to make Ubuntu legal again, so be very >> careful on Ubuntu. >> What is the background for the forks? >> >> unquote >> >> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/new/private/linux-dist.html >> >> The whole article is worth reading. >> > https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/cdrtools?field.series_filter=quantal > > > am not sure if it solves anything or makes matters worse, yet to try > it out myself Let us all know what results you get when you do. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 1 08:13:13 2013 From: chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk (Chris Luck) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 08:13:13 +0000 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> Message-ID: On 31/10/13 11:15, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Girard Henri > wrote: >> >> Le 28/10/2013 10:49, Chris Luck a écrit : >> >>> On 26/10/13 14:09, Glenn Holmer wrote: >>>> >>>> Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in GNOME >>>> apps (like Synaptic)? What I'm seeing is that a) the scroll >>>> wheel doesn't work at all, and b) clicking in the scrollbar, >>>> instead of paging up or down, jumps directly to the place you >>>> clicked. I'm seeing it on four different machines so far, so I >>>> don't think it's a configuration issue. >>> >>> >>> I'm seeing that in Synaptic but not in other gnome apps. (i.e. >>> Audacity, Gimp). > > There appears to be a problem with the oxygen-gtk theme, if you > switch to a plain oxygen theme or any other it works fine. Myriam, It isn't clear which topic you are responding too, you have answered to Girard but quoted Glenn & myself. So are you referring to a vanishing mouse pointer, scrollwheel/scrollbar issues or both? -- Regards, Chris Luck From blchupin at iinet.net.au Fri Nov 1 08:18:40 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 19:18:40 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <3653038.tZMQgbxpz9@p5915> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> <3653038.tZMQgbxpz9@p5915> Message-ID: <527363E0.20104@iinet.net.au> On 01/11/13 18:54, Nils Kassube wrote: > Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 01/11/13 01:41, Nils Kassube wrote: >>> Hmm, that's interesting - is the behaviour the same with and without >>> the force option ticked? On my DVD+RW was an old Xubuntu livecd >>> image before I formatted it. Maybe it is a feature of the >>> underlying cdrecord version. Kubuntu 12.04 actually uses Wodim >>> 1.1.11 - maybe your Opensuse version behaves differently and >>> ignores the force option? >> Interesting indeed - in more ways than one. >> >> openSUSE does indeed use cdrecord - but not Ubuntu/(?)Kubuntu. >> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/new/private/linux-dist.html >> >> The whole article is worth reading. > Well, it is an interesting article indeed, but I don't see how it > matters in this case. We were discussing a difference between Opensuse > and Kubuntu where the Opensuse version of k3b and the underlying tool > cdrecord seems to ignore the force option while the Kubuntu version with > the underlying tool wodim honors that option. > > And to get back on topic, the OP was using the Kubuntu version to > reformat rewritable DVDs which obviously worked. However, formatting > with k3b is more like erasing the disk. So there is still the original > question, how to make the disk mountable, i.e. format it with UDF. LOL! I think bottom line point here is: there is NO need to reformat, or if you prefer to use the term "erase" then erase, a DVD RW disc because once it is formatted you simply overwrite existing data on it. Or, in more simple terms which is probably more understandable by people: you DELETE any files on that disc using some file manager - like Dolphin or mc [Midnight Commander] - and then write to it whatever data turns you on. Somewhere in my stack of CDs I have a few CD RW discs but it would take a bit of time to find them so I cannot test them and make a definitive statement, but I would think that there would not be a difference in treating one of these RW discs to how you treat a DVD RW: once formatted you don't erase or reformat it just simply write to it and whatever is on the disc will simply be overwritten. As the article from the author of k3b states what Ubuntu/Kubuntu uses is a fork of the original cdrecord set of tools and this fork introduced bugs into the scheme of things. But bugs or no bugs, and ignoring the "your k3b is worse than my k3b", all this is immaterial because once a RW disc is formatted there is no need to reformat it. (Unless of course you reformat it in Windows which has a different way of doing things as I mentioned - and a search of the 'net will spell this out.) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Nov 1 08:39:18 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 09:39:18 +0100 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> Message-ID: Hi CHris, On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Chris Luck wrote: > On 31/10/13 11:15, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Girard Henri >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Le 28/10/2013 10:49, Chris Luck a écrit : >>> >>>> On 26/10/13 14:09, Glenn Holmer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in GNOME >>>>> apps (like Synaptic)? What I'm seeing is that a) the scroll >>>>> wheel doesn't work at all, and b) clicking in the scrollbar, >>>>> instead of paging up or down, jumps directly to the place you >>>>> clicked. I'm seeing it on four different machines so far, so I >>>>> don't think it's a configuration issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm seeing that in Synaptic but not in other gnome apps. (i.e. >>>> Audacity, Gimp). >> >> >> There appears to be a problem with the oxygen-gtk theme, if you >> switch to a plain oxygen theme or any other it works fine. > > > > Myriam, > It isn't clear which topic you are responding too, you have answered to > Girard but quoted Glenn & myself. So are you referring to a vanishing > mouse pointer, scrollwheel/scrollbar issues or both? Probably both, but for that to know you folks need to try what I suggest: switch to plain oxygen theme instead of the oxygen-gtk and see if that helps. Easy enough to do :) Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Nov 1 09:00:41 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 10:00:41 +0100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <527363E0.20104@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> <3653038.tZMQgbxpz9@p5915> <527363E0.20104@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Hi all, On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 01/11/13 18:54, Nils Kassube wrote: >> >> Basil Chupin wrote: >>> >>> On 01/11/13 01:41, Nils Kassube wrote: >>>> [BIG SNIP] > As the article from the author of k3b states what Ubuntu/Kubuntu uses is a > fork of the original cdrecord set of tools and this fork introduced bugs > into the scheme of things. Erm, just to put things correctly: that guy is NOT the author of K3b, that is the author of cdrecord, and you can safely ignore his ramblings, he has his very own interpretation of what a GPL-compliant license is and causes the problem that not a single distribution out there does ship cdrecord by default, because it is NOT GPL-compliant. They do what they do with the mp3 plugins: let the suer decide what they want to install. They provide the package, but they don't make it default. Anyway, the problem you have with your DVDs is not related to cdrecord at all, as it doesn't come with dvd+rw-tools. The latter is the package which is needed to format/write DVD+RW Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From kassube at gmx.net Fri Nov 1 09:11:07 2013 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 10:11:07 +0100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <527363E0.20104@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <3653038.tZMQgbxpz9@p5915> <527363E0.20104@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <2388184.mEFRoLat0M@p5915> Basil Chupin wrote: > LOL! > > I think bottom line point here is: > > there is NO need to reformat, or if you prefer to use the term "erase" > then erase, a DVD RW disc because once it is formatted you simply > overwrite existing data on it. Or, in more simple terms which is > probably more understandable by people: you DELETE any files on that > disc using some file manager - like Dolphin or mc [Midnight > Commander] - and then write to it whatever data turns you on. You have repeated that statement already many times, but you still seem to be missing the point anyways. The OP has already reformatted the DVDs, so it is too late to tell him that it isn't necessary. And formatting a disc with k3b doesn't put a filesystem on the disc, so you can't mount the disc to write data to it. Nils From kassube at gmx.net Fri Nov 1 09:13:02 2013 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 10:13:02 +0100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <1490606.K4IlhZKjfn@p5915> Phil wrote: > A batch of DVDs were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused. > Unfortunately, they are now unmountable. I know this to be the case > from my own past experience with K3B, no mater if "format" or "quick > format" is selected the result is the same, a disc that is > unmountable. > Apparently buying a copy of Windows 7 or 8 is not an option. So is > there an easy GUI for formatting or erasing discs that won't leave > them unmountable? I've looked at "udftools" but it's use is rather > complex. After some experiments with k3b and erasing DVD+RW (see other mails in this thread), I tried to use the udftools you mentioned. IMHO it isn't complex to use. Instead it is one of the easy to use tools. But as always, YMMV. These are the steps to format a DVD+RW with UDF: - Start konsole from the K-menu. - Insert the DVDRW and wait until the device notifier pops up for the DVDRW. - Type this command: mkudffs mkudffs --media-type=dvd /dev/sr0 - Wait until the command prompt returns. - Eject the medium and reinsert it - now it should be mountable. There seems to be a GUI which is supposed to do that for you [1], but it looks like you must compile it from the source code which is definitely more complicated than using mkudffs. Nils [1] From blchupin at iinet.net.au Fri Nov 1 09:13:57 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:13:57 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> <3653038.tZMQgbxpz9@p5915> <527363E0.20104@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <527370D5.7080105@iinet.net.au> On 01/11/13 20:00, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi all, > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 01/11/13 18:54, Nils Kassube wrote: >>> Basil Chupin wrote: >>>> On 01/11/13 01:41, Nils Kassube wrote: > [BIG SNIP] > > >> As the article from the author of k3b states what Ubuntu/Kubuntu uses is a >> fork of the original cdrecord set of tools and this fork introduced bugs >> into the scheme of things. > > Erm, just to put things correctly: that guy is NOT the author of K3b, > that is the author of cdrecord, and you can safely ignore his > ramblings, he has his very own interpretation of what a GPL-compliant > license is and causes the problem that not a single distribution out > there does ship cdrecord by default, because it is NOT GPL-compliant. > They do what they do with the mp3 plugins: let the suer decide what > they want to install. They provide the package, but they don't make it > default. > > Anyway, the problem you have with your DVDs is not related to cdrecord > at all, as it doesn't come with dvd+rw-tools. The latter is the > package which is needed to format/write DVD+RW Ummmm, I don't have any problems with my DVDs or CDs. I have never had any problems with DVDs or CDs be they RW or plain write-once ones. I think that you must have missed reading some posts in this thread, possibly. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Nov 1 10:17:17 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 11:17:17 +0100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <527370D5.7080105@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> <3653038.tZMQgbxpz9@p5915> <527363E0.20104@iinet.net.au> <527370D5.7080105@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Basil, check again: I did NOT address this to you, I answered in the thread, my post starts with "Hi all". On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 01/11/13 20:00, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Basil Chupin >> wrote: >>> >>> On 01/11/13 18:54, Nils Kassube wrote: >>>> >>>> Basil Chupin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 01/11/13 01:41, Nils Kassube wrote: >> >> [BIG SNIP] >> >> >>> As the article from the author of k3b states what Ubuntu/Kubuntu uses is >>> a >>> fork of the original cdrecord set of tools and this fork introduced bugs >>> into the scheme of things. >> >> >> Erm, just to put things correctly: that guy is NOT the author of K3b, >> that is the author of cdrecord, and you can safely ignore his >> ramblings, he has his very own interpretation of what a GPL-compliant >> license is and causes the problem that not a single distribution out >> there does ship cdrecord by default, because it is NOT GPL-compliant. >> They do what they do with the mp3 plugins: let the suer decide what >> they want to install. They provide the package, but they don't make it >> default. >> >> Anyway, the problem you have with your DVDs is not related to cdrecord >> at all, as it doesn't come with dvd+rw-tools. The latter is the >> package which is needed to format/write DVD+RW > > > Ummmm, I don't have any problems with my DVDs or CDs. > > I have never had any problems with DVDs or CDs be they RW or plain > write-once ones. > > I think that you must have missed reading some posts in this thread, > possibly. > > > BC > > -- > Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- > AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor > 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM > Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Fri Nov 1 10:29:35 2013 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:29:35 -0500 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> Message-ID: <5273828F.6050002@lyonlabs.org> On 11/01/2013 03:39 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > There appears to be a problem with the oxygen-gtk theme, if you switch > to a plain oxygen theme or any other it works fine. >> Myriam, >> It isn't clear which topic you are responding too, you have answered to >> Girard but quoted Glenn & myself. So are you referring to a vanishing >> mouse pointer, scrollwheel/scrollbar issues or both? > > Probably both, but for that to know you folks need to try what I > suggest: switch to plain oxygen theme instead of the oxygen-gtk and > see if that helps. Easy enough to do :) Are you talking about System Settings / Application Appearance / GTK? Because on my machines there are no plain "oxygen" settings there, only "oxygen-gtk". -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From henry.linux.1973 at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 13:06:18 2013 From: henry.linux.1973 at gmail.com (Henry Linux) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 11:06:18 -0200 Subject: muon updater In-Reply-To: <526D29EF.2010304@lyonlabs.org> References: <526D29EF.2010304@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: 2013/10/27 Glenn Holmer > Another issue I'm seeing with 13.10 is that when the tray icon shows > updates available, muon updater freezes at 33% on "Loading Software List" > and never goes further. I've been taking updates through Synaptic instead. > In some cases, there are actually no updates available (when this happens, > synaptic and aptitude are in agreement). > > Anyone else seen this? > > today i get a notification that there is new update and muon updater works fine. i was using another updater that i found in Moun Discover but doesn't detect the new updates I just used from ALT+F2 ( updates ) so today First of november the muon updater bug is fixed. Henry. PS: Sorry for my english. > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Fri Nov 1 13:31:03 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 00:31:03 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> <52732F75.3060601@iinet.net.au> <3653038.tZMQgbxpz9@p5915> <527363E0.20104@iinet.net.au> <527370D5.7080105@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <5273AD17.9000006@iinet.net.au> On 01/11/13 21:17, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Basil, check again: I did NOT address this to you, I answered in the > thread, my post starts with "Hi all". > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 01/11/13 20:00, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Basil Chupin >>> wrote: >>>> On 01/11/13 18:54, Nils Kassube wrote: >>>>> Basil Chupin wrote: >>>>>> On 01/11/13 01:41, Nils Kassube wrote: >>> [BIG SNIP] >>> >>> >>>> As the article from the author of k3b states what Ubuntu/Kubuntu uses is >>>> a >>>> fork of the original cdrecord set of tools and this fork introduced bugs >>>> into the scheme of things. >>> >>> Erm, just to put things correctly: that guy is NOT the author of K3b, >>> that is the author of cdrecord, and you can safely ignore his >>> ramblings, he has his very own interpretation of what a GPL-compliant >>> license is and causes the problem that not a single distribution out >>> there does ship cdrecord by default, because it is NOT GPL-compliant. >>> They do what they do with the mp3 plugins: let the suer decide what >>> they want to install. They provide the package, but they don't make it >>> default. >>> >>> Anyway, the problem you have with your DVDs is not related to cdrecord >>> at all, as it doesn't come with dvd+rw-tools. The latter is the >>> package which is needed to format/write DVD+RW >> >> Ummmm, I don't have any problems with my DVDs or CDs. >> >> I have never had any problems with DVDs or CDs be they RW or plain >> write-once ones. >> >> I think that you must have missed reading some posts in this thread, >> possibly. >> >> >> BC Please do not top post, OK? I think you know the rules. The message starts off with name as stating something and referring to the fact that the writer of the article is not the author of k3b - which is something that I said (obviously incorrect now and so apologies to all). It is therefore quite easy to take that the message was addressed to me directly and the "Hi All" is simply addressing everyone and pointing out how wrong I was in stating what I did. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From blchupin at iinet.net.au Fri Nov 1 13:55:19 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 00:55:19 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <2388184.mEFRoLat0M@p5915> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <3653038.tZMQgbxpz9@p5915> <527363E0.20104@iinet.net.au> <2388184.mEFRoLat0M@p5915> Message-ID: <5273B2C7.3000804@iinet.net.au> On 01/11/13 20:11, Nils Kassube wrote: > Basil Chupin wrote: >> LOL! >> >> I think bottom line point here is: >> >> there is NO need to reformat, or if you prefer to use the term "erase" >> then erase, a DVD RW disc because once it is formatted you simply >> overwrite existing data on it. Or, in more simple terms which is >> probably more understandable by people: you DELETE any files on that >> disc using some file manager - like Dolphin or mc [Midnight >> Commander] - and then write to it whatever data turns you on. > You have repeated that statement already many times, but you still seem > to be missing the point anyways. The OP has already reformatted the > DVDs, so it is too late to tell him that it isn't necessary. And > formatting a disc with k3b doesn't put a filesystem on the disc, so you > can't mount the disc to write data to it. OK, I think that it is time to end this endless thread. As I said earlier I have Ubuntu 13.04 installed and while I did download Kubuntu 13.10 a night or so ago I am still to install it (I am reluctant to do so at the moment because when I installed Ubuntu it did what Windows does and took over my grub2 menu and decided that IT wanted to be boss; it took me days to recover from this). So, not having Kubuntu but having Ubuntu I did all this testing on Ubuntu 13.04 with trying to format/erase a DVD RW disc using k3b. BTW the version of k3b is 2.0.2 (the same which I have in openSUSE). Here is what I found. If one individually selects the Quick *OR* the Force format k3b will just tell you that it isn't necessary to format the already formatted disc. However if you select BOTH Quick Format and Force format then k3b will tell you, "OK, if this is what you really want" and then configures the disc as a BLANK disc. NOTE that I use the word "configures". If you then try to format it, k3b will not format it. ALSO, when you insert this disc in the cd/dvd drive you will get the message that it Cannot Be Mounted. HOWEVER, if you *ignore* this and carry on - NOTE: this applies in Ubuntu and I don't know what the the equivalent in Kubuntu may be - then you will get a menu where you are given the option to Create CD/DVD; and if you select this option then you can write whatever data you want to the RW DVD. I have done it and have written data to the DVD which went thru the steps I just described so I know. So what appears to be the problem is that while you get the message that the DVD cannot be mounted it CAN be written to - because it is *still* *formatted*! If you want to see what I am talking about then when you start k3b go Device>Media Info and you will find that it will not show a blank, clean disc but one which is already (ie, still) formatted. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Nov 1 15:17:24 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 16:17:24 +0100 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: <5273828F.6050002@lyonlabs.org> References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> <5273828F.6050002@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: Hi Glenn, On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 11/01/2013 03:39 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> >> There appears to be a problem with the oxygen-gtk theme, if you switch >> to a plain oxygen theme or any other it works fine. > > >>> Myriam, >>> It isn't clear which topic you are responding too, you have answered to >>> Girard but quoted Glenn & myself. So are you referring to a vanishing >>> mouse pointer, scrollwheel/scrollbar issues or both? >> >> >> Probably both, but for that to know you folks need to try what I >> suggest: switch to plain oxygen theme instead of the oxygen-gtk and >> see if that helps. Easy enough to do :) > > > Are you talking about System Settings / Application Appearance / GTK? > Because on my machines there are no plain "oxygen" settings there, only > "oxygen-gtk". Yes. There are two options, for GTK2 and GTK3. You can try playing around, if you set the GTK2 to "QtCurve" and the GTK3 to "default" for exemple, maybe that helps. I for one don't see any problems with the mouse, even if both are set to oxygen-gtk, but that might depend on individual settings, mouse drivers, etc. Fact is: there are known problems with the oxygen-gtk problem for some Kubuntu users when using GTK applications under KDE, and it has been identified to be due to the oxygen-gtk theme. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From volkangezer at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 16:58:09 2013 From: volkangezer at gmail.com (Volkan Gezer) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:58:09 +0100 Subject: Lost effects after 13.10 upgrade Message-ID: Hello, After 13.10 upgrade, Alt+tab and desktop pager effects do not work anymore. They are enabled in Desktop Effects. Can someone help me with this issue? Thank you, Best regards, Volkan GEZER volkangezer at gmail.com From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Nov 1 17:14:23 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:14:23 -0400 Subject: Lost effects after 13.10 upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32191070.gfkQBZQYVt@linux1> On Friday, November 01, 2013 05:58:09 PM Volkan Gezer wrote: > Hello, > > After 13.10 upgrade, Alt+tab and desktop pager effects do not work > anymore. They are enabled in Desktop Effects. > > Can someone help me with this issue? They are both working here.... The pager I installed as a widget The alt-tab comes under 'task switcher' under 'window behavior' -- "Neuroses are red, Melancholia's blue, I'm schizophrenic, What are you?" From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Sat Nov 2 01:38:36 2013 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:38:36 -0500 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> <5273828F.6050002@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: <5274579C.1020702@lyonlabs.org> On 11/01/2013 10:17 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Fact is: there are known problems with the oxygen-gtk problem for some > Kubuntu users when using GTK applications under KDE, and it has been > identified to be due to the oxygen-gtk theme. Do you have a Launchpad bug number? I couldn't find anything. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From myriam at kubuntu.org Sat Nov 2 09:00:09 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:00:09 +0100 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: <5274579C.1020702@lyonlabs.org> References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> <5273828F.6050002@lyonlabs.org> <5274579C.1020702@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 11/01/2013 10:17 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> >> Fact is: there are known problems with the oxygen-gtk problem for some >> Kubuntu users when using GTK applications under KDE, and it has been >> identified to be due to the oxygen-gtk theme. > > > Do you have a Launchpad bug number? I couldn't find anything. No, because it is not a Launchpad bug, but a Gnome one: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708570 Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From fluca1978 at infinito.it Sat Nov 2 11:38:37 2013 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:38:37 +0100 Subject: system incredibly slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:16 AM, CA G Rajesh wrote: > Before reinstall, why don't you just update (those are in pipeline) from > proposed updates repository. I plan to do it. Perhaps, it has the fix for us > ;) No way, I did all the upgrades but nothing changed, and therefore I give up and performed a fresh install. Hope you get more lucky on this. Luca From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Sat Nov 2 12:30:07 2013 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 07:30:07 -0500 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> <5273828F.6050002@lyonlabs.org> <5274579C.1020702@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: <5274F04F.4070609@lyonlabs.org> On 11/02/2013 04:00 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> Do you have a Launchpad bug number? I couldn't find anything. > > No, because it is not a Launchpad bug, but a Gnome one: > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708570 The original KDE bug report seems much more interesting: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321284 I find that if I run, for example: OXYGEN_DISABLE_INNER_SHADOWS_HACK=1 eog the mouse wheel works just fine in the file selector. If you right-click the K menu and select "Edit Applications", you can just add OXYGEN_DISABLE_INNER_SHADOWS_HACK=1 in front of the program name under "Command:" for any GNOME apps where this is a problem. In the meantime, the devs can figure out where and how it needs to be fixed. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Nov 2 22:55:45 2013 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 16:55:45 -0600 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? Message-ID: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> Kubuntu seems to execute a more-than-usually complex (or at least a different-from-what-I-am-used-to) set of scripts/programs during the boot process. As a result, even after quite a bit of digging around, I still don't understand it all properly. Normally, once booting is completed, one has a graphical interface with a login screen (created, I think, by lightdm) on terminal #7. How do I create, at boot time, another login screen on terminal #8? Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 263 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From clay at claydoh.com Sun Nov 3 01:01:31 2013 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 21:01:31 -0400 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? In-Reply-To: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> References: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4113290.v6liaAQssg@lark-latitude-d630> On Saturday, November 02, 2013 04:55:45 PM D. R. Evans wrote: > Kubuntu seems to execute a more-than-usually complex (or at least a > different-from-what-I-am-used-to) set of scripts/programs during the boot > process. As a result, even after quite a bit of digging around, I still > don't understand it all properly. > > Normally, once booting is completed, one has a graphical interface with a > login screen (created, I think, by lightdm) on terminal #7. > > How do I create, at boot time, another login screen on terminal #8? > > Doc Are you attempting to have two individual, separate login screens on the same machine? Or are you looking to have a remote machine log into that box graphically? -- Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Nov 3 14:06:43 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 01:06:43 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi *ADDENDUM* In-Reply-To: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> <526B481C.7010006@iinet.net.au> <526B8268.5080006@xs4all.nl> <526BA4F9.4020004@iinet.net.au> <526BAA94.5060507@xs4all.nl> <526BBDC0.30606@iinet.net.au> <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <52765873.1070002@iinet.net.au> On 27/10/13 16:40, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 27/10/13 00:22, Bas Roufs wrote: >> >> Hey Basil & Everybody, >> thanks, Basil, for your REALLY USEFUL! feedback. >> I know Midnight Commander - that package has been my all time high >> favourite :-) ever since Ulrich Grün introduced me to Kubuntu Linux >> - already six years ago. >> For now, one question remains. Which of the steps you mentioned, >> are meant to be done DURING the installation and which of them >> afterwords? >> Respectfully yours, >> Bas. >> > > > I am glad that you wrote this because I remembered something a short > time ago and was going to add it to what I wrote a day or so ago. > > What I forgot to add is to create another, small, only 1GB big, > partition at the beginning and format it in ext4. You probably won't > need it right now but at least you will have it available for use > should you require it. > > To understand what I am going to state, and what I already stated > previously, read this article: > > http://www.linuxidentity.com/us/down/articles/LSK_multi_distro_install_US.pdf > > > It may take a couple of readings to really grasp it as it seems (to me > at least) that after the author wrote it someone edited it and did > some shortcuts. However, it is still understandable if you read it > carefully :-) . > > Now, to your question above. [....] I remembered this part only a few minutes ago which is why I am adding this some 3 weeks "after the event" :-) . If you go the way of using a special partition on a different partition or on a different (2nd) HDD and symlink folders/files from your /home to this special partition then you must remember this when you go to do a backup of your /home: your /home will contain the symlinks of the folders/files to the special partition so that when you do a backup only the symlinks will be backed up and NOT the contents of the actual folders. For example, in your /home you have symlinked the Downloads folder to the the special partition (say /Data/Special/Downloads ). Doing a backup of /home will only backup the symlink and NOT the contents of /Data/Special/Downloads. To get a full backup of /home you will need to backup /home *AND* /Data/Special. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From doc.evans at gmail.com Sun Nov 3 21:19:34 2013 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 14:19:34 -0700 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? In-Reply-To: <4113290.v6liaAQssg@lark-latitude-d630> References: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> <4113290.v6liaAQssg@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: <5276BDE6.4090002@gmail.com> Clay Weber said the following at 11/02/2013 07:01 PM : >> >> Normally, once booting is completed, one has a graphical interface with a >> login screen (created, I think, by lightdm) on terminal #7. >> >> How do I create, at boot time, another login screen on terminal #8? >> > > Are you attempting to have two individual, separate login screens on the same > machine? Or are you looking to have a remote machine log into that box graphically? > I'm sorry my question wasn't clear. The former. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 263 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 4 04:33:14 2013 From: chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk (Chris Luck) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 04:33:14 +0000 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: <5274F04F.4070609@lyonlabs.org> References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> <5273828F.6050002@lyonlabs.org> <5274579C.1020702@lyonlabs.org> <5274F04F.4070609@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: On 02/11/13 12:30, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 11/02/2013 04:00 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>> Do you have a Launchpad bug number? I couldn't find anything. >> >> No, because it is not a Launchpad bug, but a Gnome one: >> >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708570 > > The original KDE bug report seems much more interesting: > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321284 > > I find that if I run, for example: > > OXYGEN_DISABLE_INNER_SHADOWS_HACK=1 eog > > the mouse wheel works just fine in the file selector. If you > right-click the K menu and select "Edit Applications", you can just > add OXYGEN_DISABLE_INNER_SHADOWS_HACK=1 in front of the program name > under "Command:" for any GNOME apps where this is a problem. In the > meantime, the devs can figure out where and how it needs to be > fixed. Thank you for pursuing that, now we can enjoy consistent theming. I only had the issue in Synaptic initially but when I installed more apps. I realised it was a more widespread issue. Before Myriam's comment (which left me a bit puzzled too) I had already found that the GTK3 setting was the controlling factor and established that the behaviour is the same in 32 and 64bit. There is a GTK theme in the package list which does treat the scroll-wheel correctly - clearlooks-phenix-theme, when installed it becomes available through the GTK3 setting. Although it functions correctly without hacks it does look incongruous (though not as stark as the 'Default' theme). Pagination by clicking on the scrollbar track... This issue is down to yet more Gnome-ish scheming, see here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704277 To get the standard paging effect they now expect us to *Right*-click on the scrollbar track! But again there is a hack on offer which reverts to the standard behaviour: To handle apps. user-wide, edit: ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini To handle apps. system-wide and/or those opened with kdesu, edit: /etc/gtk-3.0/settings.ini Add this line to the settings: gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0 That should keep us happy until the Gnome people have more of their impish thoughts. :) And another thing... You hadn't mentioned (and I hadn't noticed then) that the two right hand panes in Synaptic are lacking horizontal scrollbars. In the case of the lower package-description pane this looks to be intentional, the text in that pane is auto-wrapped so the horz. scrollbar can never be invoked. In 12.10 the thumb occupies the full pane width at all times so I can understand why it has been removed - the absence of a horz. scrollbar in the upper package-list pane is more of an issue. -- Regards, Chris Luck From mess-mate at gmx.com Mon Nov 4 16:23:27 2013 From: mess-mate at gmx.com (mess-mate-gmx) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 17:23:27 +0100 Subject: multiescreen drtup Message-ID: <5277C9FF.3080109@gmx.com> Hi, how can i setup my multiscreen with nividia ? Tried but the box freeze. best regards From theuteck at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 16:34:46 2013 From: theuteck at gmail.com (theuteck at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:34:46 -0600 Subject: multiescreen drtup In-Reply-To: <5277C9FF.3080109@gmx.com> References: <5277C9FF.3080109@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1687582.TOI8a3eg7E@allmine> Obvious question, did you install the nvidia driver? Are you using the KDE tools to configure or manually editing x.org? 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Open Source Sci-Fi mmoRPG Game project. http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page http://code.google.com/p/perspectiveproject/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theuteck at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 19:38:55 2013 From: theuteck at gmail.com (uteck) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 13:38:55 -0600 Subject: Scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Most HP work fine once you install the hp software. It gpl, so should be in your repo, if not already installed. On Nov 4, 2013 1:34 PM, "Knapp" wrote: > I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to fight > against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! > PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > Creative Commons Film Group, Helping people make open source movies > with open source software! > http://douglas.bespin.org/CommonsFilmGroup/phpBB3/index.php > > Massage in Gelsenkirchen-Buer: > http://douglas.bespin.org/tcm/ztab1.htm > Please link to me and trade links with me! > > Open Source Sci-Fi mmoRPG Game project. > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > http://code.google.com/p/perspectiveproject/ > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at thefletchers.net Mon Nov 4 19:43:35 2013 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:43:35 +0000 Subject: Scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1383594215.1986.2.camel@Tosh-NB520> On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 20:33 +0100, Knapp wrote: > I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to > fight against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! > PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. > Epson Perfection 2450 Photo Second hand ones are available. Does everything. No, I'm not selling mine! Dave From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Mon Nov 4 21:01:54 2013 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:01:54 -0500 Subject: Scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52780B42.5000806@optonline.net> On 11/04/2013 02:33 PM, Knapp wrote: > I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to fight > against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! > PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > Creative Commons Film Group, Helping people make open source movies > with open source software! > http://douglas.bespin.org/CommonsFilmGroup/phpBB3/index.php > > Massage in Gelsenkirchen-Buer: > http://douglas.bespin.org/tcm/ztab1.htm > Please link to me and trade links with me! > > Open Source Sci-Fi mmoRPG Game project. > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > http://code.google.com/p/perspectiveproject/ > > Look for an Epson scanner. They are of high quality with very good reproduction of the original, They connect by USB, and XSane works fine with them. Also, the all-in-one printers from Epson--I have a WP4530 that does very good scans. Probably my stand-alone Epson scanner, model V300 PHOTO is obsolete, but it does an excellent job also. If the scanner needs a driver, Epson has Linux drivers for all their current equipment, but I don't know if you will need a scanner driver--XSane seems to just work. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley From tkg at lanl.gov Mon Nov 4 21:09:32 2013 From: tkg at lanl.gov (Thomas K Gamble) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 14:09:32 -0700 Subject: Scanners. In-Reply-To: <52780B42.5000806@optonline.net> References: <52780B42.5000806@optonline.net> Message-ID: <52780D0C.3030507@lanl.gov> On 11/04/2013 02:01 PM, Doug wrote: > On 11/04/2013 02:33 PM, Knapp wrote: >> I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to fight >> against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! >> PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. >> >> -- >> Douglas E Knapp >> >> Creative Commons Film Group, Helping people make open source movies >> with open source software! >> http://douglas.bespin.org/CommonsFilmGroup/phpBB3/index.php >> >> Massage in Gelsenkirchen-Buer: >> http://douglas.bespin.org/tcm/ztab1.htm >> Please link to me and trade links with me! >> >> Open Source Sci-Fi mmoRPG Game project. >> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page >> http://code.google.com/p/perspectiveproject/ >> >> > Look for an Epson scanner. They are of high quality with very good > reproduction of the original, They connect by USB, and XSane works > fine with them. Also, the all-in-one printers from Epson--I have a > WP4530 that does very good scans. Probably my stand-alone Epson scanner, > model V300 PHOTO is obsolete, but it does an excellent job > also. If the scanner needs a driver, Epson has Linux drivers for > all their current equipment, but I don't know if you will need a > scanner driver--XSane seems to just work. > > --doug > I second the suggestion for the Epson WP4530. I works well with xsane and the price is right. Even has a document feeder. -- Thomas K. Gamble Research Technologist, System/Network Administrator, DPR Chemical Diagnostics and Engineering (C-CDE) Los Alamos National Laboratory MS-E543,phone:+1-505-665-4323 fax:+1-505-665-4267 cell:+1-505-695-4835 "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full." Henry Kissinger From basroufs at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 23:26:12 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs in English) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 00:26:12 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> Hello Everybody. Thanks for all the interesting input in this thread so far - now. Now, I put together the essentials - with a view to: * clarifying some questions I still have; * getting feedback about the way I am considering now to go ahead. I also take into account this article recommended by you, Basil: http://www.linuxidentity.com/us/down/articles/LSK_multi_distro_install_US.pdf - the article 'Installing Multiple Distributions....' ,from Sanket Totewar. Finally, I summarise the way I am considering now to partition the hard disks of the 2 laptops where I want to fresh-install Kubuntu 13.10 and 3 other systems. If everything will work OK, I will work out some essentials from this thread in a tutorial, to be published at the Kubuntu WIKI as well as at one of my own websites. In about one or two days from now, I want to start installing Kubuntu 13.10 at both laptops. In this message, I work out the way I am considering to do so. That's why, I would appreciate getting still a bit of feedback from this forum. Via the present effort, I hope to fulfill 4 needs for both laptops: * smoothly working Kubuntu 13.10 as well as 2 -3 other secondary Linux systems; * enough space at the main system partition for Windows 7, hosted by Kubuntu 13.10 via a VirtualBox environment; * a moderate CPU usage, also when Kontact and Akonadi are functioning; * a data partition that can be approached from 4 different distro's at one HD; However it may be - below I work out a few details. And also after today, I will keep you updated here on my experience. BACKUP BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE ================================== Sanket writes in the beginning of his article: > (..).there is a very rare chance of losing data while playing with > partitions. So, it is a good idea to back up all > important data before advancing any further (...) Basil Chupin writes in one of his contributions: > The very first thing that you do is to do a backup of your > /home/ to whatever destination is of your choice. Probably > a USB stick may not be big enough so it would be worthwhile to burn it to a > CD or a DVD. Your choice of destination medium. Already about 2 years, such an approach is part of my basic routine praxis. I am using 2 external HD's where I constantly backup all my data: one of 750 GB, another one of 2 TB. Additionally, I also constantly backup some essential data online: * e-mails and address book via - for the time being still- Google; * Firefox bookmarks and passwords via 'Sync'. WHAT EXACTLY TO DO IN WHICH STAGE ================================ In one of my previous mails, I have asked what exactly needs to be done during or after installation of the first system - in my case Kubuntu 13.10. Basil has answered this question as follows: > The very first thing that you do is to do a backup of your > /home/ to whatever destination is of your choice. .... > You do all the partitioning at the start and while you are installing the > system software[$]. More details about partitioning and installing system software, you can find below, in the paragraph 'Root, Home, System(s) and Data'. With respect to what needs to be done after installing the first system, Basil writes: > > After the system is up and running and you have everything working then it > could be the time to start doing the symlinking. He works out the last phrase as follows: > In other words, there is nothing different to what you would normally do > when installing the system except that once its up and running you create > the directory Alpha (whatever) in 'Data' partition and symlink the > folders/files from your /home to Alpha. 1 SMALL 1 GB PARTITION IN THE BEGINNING ===================================== You, Basil, say: > What I forgot to add is to create another, small, only 1GB big, partition at > the beginning and format it in ext4. You probably won't need it right now > but at least you will have it available for use should you require it. Is that little partition meant for the boot loader? In other words: .... > sda1 1GB ext4 btldr <==Do NOT MOUNT[@] .... is this the partition you are aiming at? RAM & SWAP =========== Myriam Schweingruber writes > How much RAM do you have? 2 GB for Swap seems not that much, the rule > is to have the double of the RAM up until 8 GB. I currently have 8 GB > of RAM and an equal amount of Swap space which runs quite smoothly. Georgi Kourtev writes: > ....2G of swap. I also noticed that my swap is almost never used. > Don't know why. I have 4G RAM. This is Dell inspiron 1520. Basil Chupin writes: > * Create a SWAP partition of 4GB (probably totally unnecessary but you do > have a lot of disc space to play around with); Henri Linux comments: > I recommend SWAP = RAM capacity because if you gonna put the pc in > hibernation you don't' gonna get problems. However it may be, I have 4 GB RAM, at both machines. So, I create 4 GB of SWAP at each of them. ROOT , HOME, SYSTEM(S) AND DATA ============================== Bruce Marshall writes: > I normally use a 20GB partition for root with a separate /home partition. > > And I normally use 1/2 of the 20gb which is pretty much all used for the > system, no user data. Georgi Kourtev writes: > I have 30G for the root that is about half empty. The rest of my 250 G disk > is /home, ....... Basil's advise on this subject matter is for me -so far- the best way indication for the way I want to go on now: > [$] After you have read the URL I gave you above, and after taking into > account what I wrote previously, you will end up when you partition your > HDD with these partitions: > > (dev - size - file system - name to give in partitioner) > > sda1 1GB ext4 btldr <==Do NOT MOUNT[@] > > sda2 4GB swap > > sda3 30GB ext4 / <==INSTALL system here > sda4 Extended > > sda5 30GB ext4 <==Do NOT mount - for next system > > sda6 100GB ext4 Data <==MOUNT as Data[#] > > sda7 balance ext4 Spare <==MOUNT as Spare[#] > [@] You mount this partition manually when, and if, you need it to create a > new grub2 menu - read the pdf above. > > [#] By mounting them in the partitioner setup these will appear in > /etc/fstab and be auto mounted on bootup. For the time being, I will start with Kubuntu 13.10 along with KDE 4.11.2 as main system, in the primary partition 'sda3' and reserve 3 other ext4 partitions for 'secondary' systems. When that system will be up and running, I will create the symlinks from /home to /data. After doing so, I will soon install two secondary systems and create the same symlinks from their respective /home directories to /data. I choose for 2 systems that both also function along with KDE 4.11.2: * Kubuntu 12.04 (with backports); * openSUSE 13.01. At a third partition, I will test in a later stage a 'release candidate' of Kubuntu 14.04. Taking into account all the advises and my own decisions so far, I am considering now to partition the HD at both laptops as follows: (dev - size - file system - name to give in partitioner <=== other remarks) 'PRIMARY' PARTITIONS: sda1-sda2-sda3. ================================ sda1- 1 GB - ext 4 - bootloader <==== no mount now, if necessary later[1] sda2 - 4 GB - swap - swap <==== at both laptops, RAM is also 4 GB. sda3 - 50 GB - ext 4 - / <==== Main system: Kubuntu 13.10 & KDE 4.11.2, hosting Windows 7 in a VirtualBox environment; Question: does a /home partition need to be manually set here? Or will /home simply show up here after finishing the installation process? 'EXTENDED' PARTITIONS: sda4 and beyond. =================================== sda4 <==== first 'extended' partition Question: will 'sda4' contain anything else except the beginning of the 'extended' partition? sda5 - 30 GB - ext 4 <==== 2nd system: Kubuntu 12.04 LTS & KDE 4.11.2. [2] sda6 - 30 GB - ext 4 <==== 3rd system: OpenSuse 13.1 & KDE 4.11.2 [3] sda7 - 30 GB - ext 4 <==== 4th system: Kubuntu 14.04 RC & KDE 4.11.2 [4] sda8 - 100 GB - ext 4 - Data - <==== to be mounted as 'Data'[5] sda9 - 5 GB (Asus 1001 HA) or 255 GB (HP Pavilion DM 1) - ext 4 - Reserve - <==== to be mounted as 'Reserve'[5] [1] sda1 can be mounted manually later, in case a 2nd bootloader is necessary. Question: how can I PREVENT that partition from being mounted during the installation process of Kubuntu 13.10.? [2] NO mount during installation of first system. Kubuntu 12.04 will be a kind of system fall back option, in case something will go wrong with Kubuntu 13.10. Planning: mid or 2nd half of November. Questions: * how can I PREVENT that partition from being mounted during the installation process of Kubuntu 13.10.? * do I need to mount that partition when installing there Kubuntu 12.04? [3] NO mount during installation of first system. OpenSuse 13.1 will be a kind of system fall back option, in case something will go wrong with Kubuntu 13.10. Also a comparison between Opensuse and Kubuntu may be useful for the further development of Kubuntu. Planning: late November, early December. Question: do I need to mount that partition when installing there OpenSuse? [4] NO mount during installation of first system. By installing and experimentally using from time to time Kubuntu 14.04 RC, I want to contribute to the development of Kubuntu. Planning: some moment in January or February. Question: do I need to mount that partition when installing there the new Release Candidate? [5] With respect to the DATA and 'Spare' (Reserve) partitions, Basil writes: > [#] By mounting them in the partitioner setup these will appear in > /etc/fstab and be auto mounted on bootup. Question: what exactly is the 'partitioner setup' in this context? MORE ABOUT THE CREATION OF 'SYMLINKS' ===================================== > Now, re creating symlinks. > > To make so much easier for your self, install mc (Midnight Commander). mc > has the ability to create sysmlinks for you: you simply type in where the > symlink is to go and the name of file/folder you want the symlink to apply > to. When you have installed mc click on the "box" (uppermost left) FILE > and in the drop-down menu you will see Symlink - use this to create > symlinks. (Of course there is a cli command which creates symlinks but it > is a heck of a lot easier in mc as you can see both the source and the > destination of the symslink (because mc has a split 'screen'). This is all clear. > Which directories/folders to symlink? Anything which you consider as > something which is not to be wiped out when you install a new version of > the system. (BTW, using this symlink idea you can have several systems > access the same data - eg, as I said I have 7 systems installed and 6 of > them use the same data in the partition which I called Data [but a bit more > on this below]). To be more precise, you would want to symlink /Documents, > /Downloads, /.mozilla, /.thunderbird and anything else you want to keep > without being disturbed or overwritten when a new version is installed. > > But do NOT keep any configuration files (eg /.kde4, /.thumbnails, etc - that > is anything which may be considered as baggage which may stuff your > installation of the new system. It is crystal clear to me that I need to 'symlink' folders like /documents, /desktop, /pictures and /templates. However, I am not quite sure about the user-specific files from - in my case- Kontact and Firefox. Let's start with Kontact - notably Kmail. I work with so-called 'disconnected IMAP' along with Gmail. Is it possible to instruct Kmail to store the mails somewhere in /Data/Alpha? If so, how exactly? Is it possible to store or to 'export somehow' the so-called 'identities' I use to send e-mail? Is it possible to store the regular 'identities' somewhere in /Data/Alpha? Where can I find the files from KAddressbook? Is it possible to instruct KAddressbook to store it's user files somewhere in /Data/Alpha? By the way: the addressbook I am using is being created by the agent 'Google contacts'. > (There is a "catch" when creating symlinks: you need to delete the folder > called Downloads before you can create the symlink otherwise the process > will abort and tell you that such a directory/folder already exists. Here > the thing to remember is to copy, or move, Downloads to Alpha then delete > Downloads in /home and then create the symlink. Clear. > IF this sounds complicated > it isn't - it's just a bit messy trying to write it all down :-) . When it > comes the time just ask and the "mystery" will be explained :-) . If I can get answers to the questions in this message, it will be perfectly OK for me :-). OK - this is enough for now :-). Thanks - sleep well or have a nice day. Respectfully Yours, Bas G. Roufs. -- Bas G. Roufs MA Utrecht, NL, European Union. E-mail: BasRoufs at gmail.com M./ SMS: +31 6 446 835 10; T. +31 30 785 20 40. From blchupin at iinet.net.au Tue Nov 5 00:09:21 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 11:09:21 +1100 Subject: Scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52783731.1090607@iinet.net.au> On 05/11/13 06:33, Knapp wrote: > I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to > fight against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! > PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. I don't know about the prices in Euros, but you just cannot go wrong with an Epson. My scanner is the Perfection V300 Photo. If you look in the sane-project.org site you will see all the scanners which are supported by sane - but you will also need the iscan s/ware from AVASYS Corporation (ie, Epson). However, think very seriously in buying - yes, it is commercial - the program called VueScan. Absolutely 'essential' for full control and then some of your scanner. Worth every shekel you pay for it. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From ca.grajesh at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 02:48:08 2013 From: ca.grajesh at gmail.com (CA G Rajesh) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:18:08 +0530 Subject: Scanners. References: Message-ID: I too suggest Epson Scanner. I am from India and I have V33 for past one year. It's working great - every aspect. There are rpms/debs available in their support site. Once installing them, Skanlite does the rest. Regards, Rajesh Knapp wrote: > I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to fight > against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! > PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. > From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Tue Nov 5 02:54:21 2013 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:54:21 -0600 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> <5273828F.6050002@lyonlabs.org> <5274579C.1020702@lyonlabs.org> <5274F04F.4070609@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: <52785DDD.1070608@lyonlabs.org> On 11/03/2013 10:33 PM, Chris Luck wrote: > Pagination by clicking on the scrollbar track... > This issue is down to yet more Gnome-ish scheming, see here: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704277 > To get the standard paging effect they now expect us to *Right*-click on > the scrollbar track! But again there is a hack on offer which reverts > to the standard behaviour: > > To handle apps. user-wide, edit: > ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini > > To handle apps. system-wide and/or those opened with kdesu, edit: > /etc/gtk-3.0/settings.ini > > Add this line to the settings: > gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0 > > That should keep us happy until the Gnome people have more of their > impish thoughts. :) Thanks, that works a treat. Those impish Gnomes! see how they are! -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From errol at tzora.co.il Tue Nov 5 05:18:21 2013 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 07:18:21 +0200 Subject: Scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52787F9D.5000002@tzora.co.il> On 05/11/13 04:48, CA G Rajesh wrote: > I too suggest Epson Scanner. I am from India and I have V33 for past one > year. It's working great - every aspect. There are rpms/debs available in > their support site. Once installing them, Skanlite does the rest. > Regards, > Rajesh > > Knapp wrote: >> I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to fight >> against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! >> PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. >> > > > Hi I have an Epson Photo 1260 scanner and it seems to have "run out of drivers" since moving to Kubuntu 13.04. I now use 13.10 with the same problem. Kubuntu doesn't recognize the scanner. Up to 12/10 the scanner worked fine. The scanner is ok as it works with Windows 7. Just does't work with Kubuntu 13.xx. I don't know if this contributed to your question but that's my experience. Errol From blchupin at iinet.net.au Tue Nov 5 05:37:56 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:37:56 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: <52788434.4050106@iinet.net.au> On 05/11/13 10:26, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: > Hello Everybody. > > Thanks for all the interesting input in this thread so far - now. Now, I put > together the essentials - with a view to: > * clarifying some questions I still have; > * getting feedback about the way I am considering now to go ahead. [...] I am digesting your message and do have some comments - so stay tuned (I won't make the comments now as I am still to work thru them myself). Unfortunately, I deleted message which started this thread and don't remember how much RAM you have. Can you tell me what it is, please? Also, it seems that you have Windows #7 as an installable system (ie, you have the DVD to be able to install it from fresh, as a new installation) - is this correct? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From blchupin at iinet.net.au Tue Nov 5 05:54:53 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:54:53 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: <5278882D.9020206@iinet.net.au> On 05/11/13 10:26, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: > Hello Everybody. > > Thanks for all the interesting input in this thread so far - now. Now, I put > together the essentials - with a view to: > * clarifying some questions I still have; > * getting feedback about the way I am considering now to go ahead. [...] I forgot to ask this in my previous message: in which part of the world do you reside? I am in Australia and - at the moment - I am in time zone UTC + 11 hours. Be nice to know where you are (country that is) so that I have an idea when you may be able to read any responses made to your questions. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From blchupin at iinet.net.au Tue Nov 5 06:00:20 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:00:20 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <52788434.4050106@iinet.net.au> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <52788434.4050106@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <52788974.6080602@iinet.net.au> On 05/11/13 16:37, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 05/11/13 10:26, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: >> Hello Everybody. >> >> Thanks for all the interesting input in this thread so far - now. >> Now, I put >> together the essentials - with a view to: >> * clarifying some questions I still have; >> * getting feedback about the way I am considering now to go ahead. > > [...] > > I am digesting your message and do have some comments - so stay tuned > (I won't make the comments now as I am still to work thru them myself). > > Unfortunately, I deleted message which started this thread and don't > remember how much RAM you have. Can you tell me what it is, please? SORRY :-( . I just saw that you mention that you have 4GB of RAM. Ignore this question from me. [...] BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From rayburke30 at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 06:01:28 2013 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:01:28 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <5278882D.9020206@iinet.net.au> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <5278882D.9020206@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: BC, where in Aust are you as my time zone is GMT+10hours? ray On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 05/11/13 10:26, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: > >> Hello Everybody. >> >> Thanks for all the interesting input in this thread so far - now. Now, I >> put >> together the essentials - with a view to: >> * clarifying some questions I still have; >> * getting feedback about the way I am considering now to go ahead. >> > > [...] > > I forgot to ask this in my previous message: in which part of the world do > you reside? > > I am in Australia and - at the moment - I am in time zone UTC + 11 hours. > Be nice to know where you are (country that is) so that I have an idea when > you may be able to read any responses made to your questions. > > BC > > -- > Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- > AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor > 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM > Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Tue Nov 5 06:12:54 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:12:54 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <52788974.6080602@iinet.net.au> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <52788434.4050106@iinet.net.au> <52788974.6080602@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <52788C66.9090606@iinet.net.au> On 05/11/13 17:00, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 05/11/13 16:37, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 05/11/13 10:26, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: >>> Hello Everybody. >>> >>> Thanks for all the interesting input in this thread so far - now. >>> Now, I put >>> together the essentials - with a view to: >>> * clarifying some questions I still have; >>> * getting feedback about the way I am considering now to go ahead. >> >> [...] >> >> I am digesting your message and do have some comments - so stay tuned >> (I won't make the comments now as I am still to work thru them myself). >> >> Unfortunately, I deleted message which started this thread and don't >> remember how much RAM you have. Can you tell me what it is, please? > > SORRY :-( . I just saw that you mention that you have 4GB of RAM. > Ignore this question from me. > > [...] > > BC Oh dear :-( . I AM having a *very* bad day! :-( Your signature line tells me that you are from Holland - Utrecht, the place where my wife's god-daughter (and our 'unofficial niece') was married to Jarno [but both who now live in Melbourne, Australia]. So, once again, forget THIS question :-) . (Sorry about all this, folks :-( .) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From blchupin at iinet.net.au Tue Nov 5 06:24:22 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:24:22 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <5278882D.9020206@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <52788F16.4020802@iinet.net.au> On 05/11/13 17:01, ray burke wrote: > BC, > > where in Aust are you as my time zone is GMT+10hours? > > ray > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Basil Chupin > wrote: > > On 05/11/13 10:26, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: > > Hello �Everybody. > > Thanks for all the interesting input in this thread so far - > now. Now, I put > together the essentials - with a view to: > * clarifying some questions I still have; > * getting feedback about the way I am considering now to go ahead. > > > [...] > > I forgot to ask this in my previous message: in which part of the > world do you reside? > > I am in Australia and - at the moment - I am in time zone UTC + 11 > hours. Be nice to know where you are (country that is) so that I > have an idea when you may be able to read any responses made to > your questions. > > BC > Well, I am not in Queensland, Northern Territory nor Western Australia :-) . But I wish I *was* in one of these states/territories - EXCEPT in what can only be considered Australia's equivalent of America's "Deep South" :-) - because I hate the 'daylight saving' crap. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From rayburke30 at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 06:31:32 2013 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:31:32 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <52788F16.4020802@iinet.net.au> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <5278882D.9020206@iinet.net.au> <52788F16.4020802@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: BC, so you mean Tassie, which is a very historic place as down there early this year for a 2week holiday from Bendigo? ray On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 05/11/13 17:01, ray burke wrote: > >> BC, >> >> where in Aust are you as my time zone is GMT+10hours? >> >> ray >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Basil Chupin > blchupin at iinet.net.au>> wrote: >> >> On 05/11/13 10:26, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: >> >> Hello �Everybody. >> >> Thanks for all the interesting input in this thread so far - >> now. Now, I put >> together the essentials - with a view to: >> * clarifying some questions I still have; >> * getting feedback about the way I am considering now to go ahead. >> >> >> [...] >> >> I forgot to ask this in my previous message: in which part of the >> world do you reside? >> >> I am in Australia and - at the moment - I am in time zone UTC + 11 >> hours. Be nice to know where you are (country that is) so that I >> have an idea when you may be able to read any responses made to >> your questions. >> >> BC >> >> > Well, I am not in Queensland, Northern Territory nor Western Australia :-) > . > > But I wish I *was* in one of these states/territories - EXCEPT in what can > only be considered Australia's equivalent of America's "Deep South" :-) - > because I hate the 'daylight saving' crap. > > > BC > > -- > Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- > AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor > 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM > Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From myriam at kubuntu.org Tue Nov 5 08:25:19 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:25:19 +0100 Subject: Scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Douglas On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Knapp wrote: > I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to fight > against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! > PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. Since you are in Germany, I suggest you check first what scanners you can find locally in your price range, and then check here if it is supported fully: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html Mind you, in that price range you will probably not find many scanners with a good resolution. Ordering from the US or UK is a bad idea, as the shipping price is usually very high. Unlike what most people suggest, I had problems with both my Epson scanners under Linux, but that was about 4 years ago, so the situation might have changed. Caveat: HP scanners, unlike the HP printers, are not always fully supported with SANE, and that is the only scanner application that is available under Linux. That is valid for all price ranges, be this stand-alone or combined machines. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From ca.grajesh at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 10:13:13 2013 From: ca.grajesh at gmail.com (CA G Rajesh) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:43:13 +0530 Subject: Scanners. References: <52787F9D.5000002@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: Errol, http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule The above link suggests that there is no driver in linux by Epson. Knapp may try this link to find if the scanners, as Myriam suggested, available locally has a driver from Epson in addition to searching from sane-project. By this, he can be assured before getting one. Regards, Rajesh Errol Sapir wrote: > I have an Epson Photo 1260 scanner and it seems to have "run out of > drivers" since moving to Kubuntu 13.04. I now use 13.10 with the same > problem. Kubuntu doesn't recognize the scanner. Up to 12/10 the scanner > worked fine. The scanner is ok as it works with Windows 7. Just does't > work with Kubuntu 13.xx. > I don't know if this contributed to your question but that's my > experience. Errol From mess-mate at gmx.com Tue Nov 5 13:21:13 2013 From: mess-mate at gmx.com (mess-mate-gmx) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:21:13 +0100 Subject: multiescreen drtup In-Reply-To: <1687582.TOI8a3eg7E@allmine> References: <5277C9FF.3080109@gmx.com> <1687582.TOI8a3eg7E@allmine> Message-ID: <5278F0C9.4070101@gmx.com> On 04/11/2013 17:34, theuteck at gmail.com wrote: > Obvious question, did you install the nvidia driver? > Are you using the KDE tools to configure or manually editing x.org? > > I had to install the AMD driver on my wife’s system and use the AMD config > tools to get it working properly. > > On Monday, November 04, 2013 05:23:27 PM mess-mate-gmx wrote: >> Hi, >> how can i setup my multiscreen with nividia ? >> Tried but the box freeze. >> best regards > Thanks for the reply. Kde freeze after the login, so i'll try login in console and do it manually if possible. From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 14:30:07 2013 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 07:30:07 -0700 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? In-Reply-To: <5276BDE6.4090002@gmail.com> References: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> <4113290.v6liaAQssg@lark-latitude-d630> <5276BDE6.4090002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <527900EF.1000104@gmail.com> D. R. Evans said the following at 11/03/2013 02:19 PM : >>> Normally, once booting is completed, one has a graphical interface with a >>> login screen (created, I think, by lightdm) on terminal #7. >>> >>> How do I create, at boot time, another login screen on terminal #8? >>> > >> >> Are you attempting to have two individual, separate login screens on the same >> machine? Or are you looking to have a remote machine log into that box graphically? >> > > I'm sorry my question wasn't clear. The former. The lack of responses seems to suggest that perhaps this wasn't the right place to ask my question. Can someone please point me towards some other Kubuntu-savvy arena where someone might know the answer? Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 263 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk Tue Nov 5 14:44:29 2013 From: chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk (Chris Luck) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:44:29 +0000 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: <52785DDD.1070608@lyonlabs.org> References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> <5273828F.6050002@lyonlabs.org> <5274579C.1020702@lyonlabs.org> <5274F04F.4070609@lyonlabs.org> <52785DDD.1070608@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: On 05/11/13 02:54, Glenn Holmer wrote: > Thanks, that works a treat. Those impish Gnomes! see how they are! Someone must have felt the vibes emanating from these parts. An update today to GTK3-engines-oxygen has *partially* fixed the scrollbar issue. Synaptic now responds correctly to the wheel in all departments without the hack, so too does Eye of Gnome. Glabels, though, is working only partially. The label selection dialog is OK, the main editing window and combo-boxes do not scroll but menus sprouted from the combo-boxes do and the value-edits do. Something of a mixed bag there. I does nothing for the scrollbar issue though and that hack is still required. Given time, 13.10 may yet get beaten into shape. -- Regards, Chris Luck From basroufs at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 15:31:32 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs in English) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:31:32 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <52788434.4050106@iinet.net.au> References: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <52788434.4050106@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <11164926.Xp6VHnBXZz@viaconsensus-iter> Hello Basil and Everybody. > I am digesting your message and do have some comments - so stay tuned (I > won't make the comments now as I am still to work thru them myself). No problem, Basil . Take your time to digest :-) my previous message. I wont start the installation & maintenance session until you will be able to reply it. Both of my computers need a thorough and intense digital refreshment maintenance session - however, I can still work fairly well at one of them. You live in (South-West?) Australia, UTC + 11. I live, as you remarked in another message, in Utrecht, The Netherlands, UTC + 2. Here in Western Europe, we have no daylight saving time until the end of March 2014. Taking into account the daylight saving hour in your region, it must be 10 hours later in your place. At about 16.30h. Central European Winter time, I send this message. > Unfortunately, I deleted message which started this thread and don't > remember how much RAM you have. Can you tell me what it is, please? As you said yourself already in another message - 4 GB at each of both laptops. > Also, it seems that you have Windows #7 as an installable system (ie, > you have the DVD to be able to install it from fresh, as a new > installation) - is this correct? Yes, it is. I do have a DVD with a freshly installable Windows 7 system. However, I do not want to install that non-system :-) directly at my hard disks. For several reasons, I prefer to install it in a virtual environment, hosted by the main system - in my case now Kubuntu 13.10. For considerably less then 1% of my working sessions, I need Windows. So, I presume about 10 - 15 GB in a virtual environment will be enough. However it may be - have a good day! Respectfully Yours, Bas G. Roufs. -- Bas G. Roufs MA Utrecht, NL, European Union, UTC + 2. E-mail: BasRoufs at gmail.com M./ SMS: +31 6 446 835 10; T. +31 30 785 20 40. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Tue Nov 5 15:34:12 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:34:12 -0500 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? In-Reply-To: <527900EF.1000104@gmail.com> References: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> <4113290.v6liaAQssg@lark-latitude-d630> <5276BDE6.4090002@gmail.com> <527900EF.1000104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52790FF4.3070402@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-05 07:30 (GMT-0700) D. R. Evans composed: >>>> Normally, once booting is completed, one has a graphical interface with a >>>> login screen (created, I think, by lightdm) on terminal #7. >>>> How do I create, at boot time, another login screen on terminal #8? > The lack of responses seems to suggest that perhaps this wasn't the right > place to ask my question. Can someone please point me towards some other > Kubuntu-savvy arena where someone might know the answer? Maybe no answer because most people who want to run a second X instance don't use a login manager to do it. Instead, they login on a vtty, then: startx -- :1 to start one on tty8, or startx -- :2 to start one on tty9. In well over 10 years using KDE, I don't recall ever seeing instructions how to get a second KDM instance configured or started. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From rayburke30 at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 19:41:53 2013 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 06:41:53 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <11164926.Xp6VHnBXZz@viaconsensus-iter> References: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <52788434.4050106@iinet.net.au> <11164926.Xp6VHnBXZz@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: that daylight saving time was for BC, can you answer where in Australia you live? ray On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: > Hello Basil and Everybody. > > > I am digesting your message and do have some comments - so stay tuned (I > > won't make the comments now as I am still to work thru them myself). > > No problem, Basil . Take your time to digest :-) my previous message. I > wont > start the installation & maintenance session until you will be able to > reply > it. Both of my computers need a thorough and intense digital refreshment > maintenance session - however, I can still work fairly well at one of them. > You live in (South-West?) Australia, UTC + 11. I live, as you remarked in > another message, in Utrecht, The Netherlands, UTC + 2. Here in Western > Europe, > we have no daylight saving time until the end of March 2014. Taking into > account the daylight saving hour in your region, it must be 10 hours later > in > your place. At about 16.30h. Central European Winter time, I send this > message. > > > > Unfortunately, I deleted message which started this thread and don't > > remember how much RAM you have. Can you tell me what it is, please? > As you said yourself already in another message - 4 GB at each of both > laptops. > > > Also, it seems that you have Windows #7 as an installable system (ie, > > you have the DVD to be able to install it from fresh, as a new > > installation) - is this correct? > Yes, it is. I do have a DVD with a freshly installable Windows 7 system. > However, I do not want to install that non-system :-) directly at my hard > disks. For several reasons, I prefer to install it in a virtual > environment, > hosted by the main system - in my case now Kubuntu 13.10. For considerably > less then 1% of my working sessions, I need Windows. So, I presume about > 10 - > 15 GB in a virtual environment will be enough. > > However it may be - have a good day! > > Respectfully Yours, > > Bas G. Roufs. > > > -- > Bas G. Roufs MA > Utrecht, NL, European Union, UTC + 2. > E-mail: BasRoufs at gmail.com > M./ SMS: +31 6 446 835 10; T. +31 30 785 20 40. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 20:13:54 2013 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:13:54 -0700 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? In-Reply-To: <52790FF4.3070402@earthlink.net> References: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> <4113290.v6liaAQssg@lark-latitude-d630> <5276BDE6.4090002@gmail.com> <527900EF.1000104@gmail.com> <52790FF4.3070402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <52795182.1060806@gmail.com> Felix Miata said the following at 11/05/2013 08:34 AM : > On 2013-11-05 07:30 (GMT-0700) D. R. Evans composed: > >>>>> Normally, once booting is completed, one has a graphical interface with a >>>>> login screen (created, I think, by lightdm) on terminal #7. > >>>>> How do I create, at boot time, another login screen on terminal #8? > >> The lack of responses seems to suggest that perhaps this wasn't the right >> place to ask my question. Can someone please point me towards some other >> Kubuntu-savvy arena where someone might know the answer? > > Maybe no answer because most people who want to run a second X instance don't > use a login manager to do it. Instead, they login on a vtty, then: > > startx -- :1 > At least on my system, that results in a second instance of KDE, which creates horrible conflicts and is basically unusable. I'm not sure how anyone would avoid said conflicts; but in any case I have no desire to run a second instance of KDE (indeed, I can't imagine why one would want to do so, but since you say that that's what people want to do then there must be a good reason). Rather, I explicitly want to be able to choose from a number of different desktop environments on the second graphical terminal, which is why I need the window manager. > to start one on tty9. In well over 10 years using KDE, I don't recall ever > seeing instructions how to get a second KDM instance configured or started. > By my understanding (which may well be faulty), Kubuntu doesn't use kdm; so this would not, by definition, be a second KDM instance. I would still appreciate a pointer to somewhere where there may be people who can provide an answer to my question. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 263 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mrmazda at earthlink.net Tue Nov 5 20:38:19 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:38:19 -0500 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? In-Reply-To: <52795182.1060806@gmail.com> References: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> <4113290.v6liaAQssg@lark-latitude-d630> <5276BDE6.4090002@gmail.com> <527900EF.1000104@gmail.com> <52790FF4.3070402@earthlink.net> <52795182.1060806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5279573B.8090209@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-05 13:13 (GMT-0700) D. R. Evans composed: >> Maybe no answer because most people who want to run a second X instance don't >> use a login manager to do it. Instead, they login on a vtty, then: >> startx -- :1 > At least on my system, that results in a second instance of KDE, which creates > horrible conflicts and is basically unusable. I'm not sure how anyone would > avoid said conflicts; Login as any user other than the one logged into from the login manager. > but in any case I have no desire to run a second > instance of KDE (indeed, I can't imagine why one would want to do so, but > since you say that that's what people want to do then there must be a good > reason). Linux distros are multiuser operating systems. One reason for a second instance is for web page testing at different screen resolutions. Each X instance can be differently configured even though using only one display. An alternate user might want an artificial DPI configured, which has an overall zoom/unzoom effect. That cannot be done via switchuser. > Rather, I explicitly want to be able to choose from a number of different > desktop environments on the second graphical terminal, which is why I need the > window manager. The WM to use can be specified on cmdline starting session. >> to start one on tty9. In well over 10 years using KDE, I don't recall ever >> seeing instructions how to get a second KDM instance configured or started. > By my understanding (which may well be faulty), Kubuntu doesn't use kdm; so > this would not, by definition, be a second KDM instance. Maybe it has switched to lightdm for new installations, which I have yet to install anywhere. I have only been doing upgrades of Kubuntu for a while, no fresh installs for over a year. I use KDM 99.9%/KDE 99.97% of the time on all installations on my own systems. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From basroufs at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 23:25:58 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 00:25:58 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <52788434.4050106@iinet.net.au> <11164926.Xp6VHnBXZz@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: Hello Burke, it's Basil who lives in Australia - as far as I can see in the south. I live in Western Europe, in the Netherlands. Respectfully Yours, Bas. Op 5 nov. 2013 20:41 schreef "ray burke" : > that daylight saving time was for BC, can you answer where in > Australia you live? > > ray > > > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Bas G. Roufs in English < > basroufs at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello Basil and Everybody. >> >> > I am digesting your message and do have some comments - so stay tuned (I >> > won't make the comments now as I am still to work thru them myself). >> >> No problem, Basil . Take your time to digest :-) my previous message. I >> wont >> start the installation & maintenance session until you will be able to >> reply >> it. Both of my computers need a thorough and intense digital refreshment >> maintenance session - however, I can still work fairly well at one of >> them. >> You live in (South-West?) Australia, UTC + 11. I live, as you remarked in >> another message, in Utrecht, The Netherlands, UTC + 2. Here in Western >> Europe, >> we have no daylight saving time until the end of March 2014. Taking into >> account the daylight saving hour in your region, it must be 10 hours >> later in >> your place. At about 16.30h. Central European Winter time, I send this >> message. >> >> >> > Unfortunately, I deleted message which started this thread and don't >> > remember how much RAM you have. Can you tell me what it is, please? >> As you said yourself already in another message - 4 GB at each of both >> laptops. >> >> > Also, it seems that you have Windows #7 as an installable system (ie, >> > you have the DVD to be able to install it from fresh, as a new >> > installation) - is this correct? >> Yes, it is. I do have a DVD with a freshly installable Windows 7 system. >> However, I do not want to install that non-system :-) directly at my hard >> disks. For several reasons, I prefer to install it in a virtual >> environment, >> hosted by the main system - in my case now Kubuntu 13.10. For >> considerably >> less then 1% of my working sessions, I need Windows. So, I presume about >> 10 - >> 15 GB in a virtual environment will be enough. >> >> However it may be - have a good day! >> >> Respectfully Yours, >> >> Bas G. Roufs. >> >> >> -- >> Bas G. Roufs MA >> Utrecht, NL, European Union, UTC + 2. >> E-mail: BasRoufs at gmail.com >> M./ SMS: +31 6 446 835 10; T. +31 30 785 20 40. >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Nov 6 03:37:44 2013 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 20:37:44 -0700 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? In-Reply-To: <5279573B.8090209@earthlink.net> References: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> <4113290.v6liaAQssg@lark-latitude-d630> <5276BDE6.4090002@gmail.com> <527900EF.1000104@gmail.com> <52790FF4.3070402@earthlink.net> <52795182.1060806@gmail.com> <5279573B.8090209@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5279B988.6090808@gmail.com> Felix Miata said the following at 11/05/2013 01:38 PM : [lots of stuff elided] I'm sorry, but was the answer to my question somewhere in your post? I honestly don't see what most of what you said had to do with my particular question; but perhaps I just don't know enough to see the connection. Perhaps you could be a bit clearer as to exactly what needs to be done to invoke the window manager on terminal #8 automatically at boot time in Kubuntu? Failing that, possibly you could point me to somewhere where I might be able to find someone who knows the answer. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 263 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rayburke30 at gmail.com Wed Nov 6 03:56:41 2013 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:56:41 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <52788434.4050106@iinet.net.au> <11164926.Xp6VHnBXZz@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: Basil Chupin , It is you who lives in Australia Right? where as I said I live in Bendigo Victoria Australia ray On 11/6/13, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Burke, > it's Basil who lives in Australia - as far as I can see in the south. > > I live in Western Europe, in the Netherlands. > > Respectfully Yours, > Bas. > Op 5 nov. 2013 20:41 schreef "ray burke" : > >> that daylight saving time was for BC, can you answer where in >> Australia you live? >> >> ray >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Bas G. Roufs in English < >> basroufs at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello Basil and Everybody. >>> >>> > I am digesting your message and do have some comments - so stay tuned >>> > (I >>> > won't make the comments now as I am still to work thru them myself). >>> >>> No problem, Basil . Take your time to digest :-) my previous message. I >>> wont >>> start the installation & maintenance session until you will be able to >>> reply >>> it. Both of my computers need a thorough and intense digital refreshment >>> maintenance session - however, I can still work fairly well at one of >>> them. >>> You live in (South-West?) Australia, UTC + 11. I live, as you remarked >>> in >>> another message, in Utrecht, The Netherlands, UTC + 2. Here in Western >>> Europe, >>> we have no daylight saving time until the end of March 2014. Taking into >>> account the daylight saving hour in your region, it must be 10 hours >>> later in >>> your place. At about 16.30h. Central European Winter time, I send this >>> message. >>> >>> >>> > Unfortunately, I deleted message which started this thread and don't >>> > remember how much RAM you have. Can you tell me what it is, please? >>> As you said yourself already in another message - 4 GB at each of both >>> laptops. >>> >>> > Also, it seems that you have Windows #7 as an installable system (ie, >>> > you have the DVD to be able to install it from fresh, as a new >>> > installation) - is this correct? >>> Yes, it is. I do have a DVD with a freshly installable Windows 7 system. >>> However, I do not want to install that non-system :-) directly at my >>> hard >>> disks. For several reasons, I prefer to install it in a virtual >>> environment, >>> hosted by the main system - in my case now Kubuntu 13.10. For >>> considerably >>> less then 1% of my working sessions, I need Windows. So, I presume about >>> 10 - >>> 15 GB in a virtual environment will be enough. >>> >>> However it may be - have a good day! >>> >>> Respectfully Yours, >>> >>> Bas G. Roufs. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bas G. Roufs MA >>> Utrecht, NL, European Union, UTC + 2. >>> E-mail: BasRoufs at gmail.com >>> M./ SMS: +31 6 446 835 10; T. +31 30 785 20 40. >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >> >> > From mrmazda at earthlink.net Wed Nov 6 04:33:24 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 23:33:24 -0500 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? In-Reply-To: <5279B988.6090808@gmail.com> References: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> <4113290.v6liaAQssg@lark-latitude-d630> <5276BDE6.4090002@gmail.com> <527900EF.1000104@gmail.com> <52790FF4.3070402@earthlink.net> <52795182.1060806@gmail.com> <5279573B.8090209@earthlink.net> <5279B988.6090808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5279C694.6050300@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-05 20:37 (GMT-0700) D. R. Evans composed: > Felix Miata composed: > I'm sorry, but was the answer to my question somewhere in your post? To the question of starting a 2nd login manager instance I had and have no answer that is anything like a HOWTO you seem to think may exist. > I honestly don't see what most of what you said had to do with my particular > question; I was responding to the comments you made that each of my comments follows. > but perhaps I just don't know enough to see the connection. Perhaps > you could be a bit clearer as to exactly what needs to be done to invoke the > window manager on terminal #8 automatically at boot time in Kubuntu? I told you already I've never seen the subject of starting a second login manager instance addressed anywhere. > Failing > that, possibly you could point me to somewhere where I might be able to find > someone who knows the answer. I expect what you want is solving a compound problem with a solution only to be found investigating the documentation of the login manager you use, and of the X window system (Xorg) at freedesktop.org, either formal docs, or email list or archive of http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg . A solution may well require init system involvement as well (systemd and/or upstart, both of which are far less mature than sysvinit, where IMO a setup/configuration answer is more likely to lie). Even if you find a way, I'm guessing unless you utilize multiple users regardless whether via additional login manager or otherwise, you are likely to run into the conflict you first mentioned in your 2013-11-05 13:13 (GMT-0700) thread post. I surmise your luck will be much better starting other DMs via vtty login than getting a second login manager to work. I wish you luck doing the latter. I certainly could be wrong about this, but I strongly suspect at best you won't do it without a big effort to determine what's required. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Nov 6 12:45:57 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 23:45:57 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> On 05/11/13 10:26, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: > Hello Everybody. > > Thanks for all the interesting input in this thread so far - now. Now, I put > together the essentials - with a view to: > * clarifying some questions I still have; > * getting feedback about the way I am considering now to go ahead. [...] > In about one or two days from now, I want to start installing Kubuntu 13.10 at > both laptops. In this message, I work out the way I am considering to do so. > That's why, I would appreciate getting still a bit of feedback from this > forum. OK, before I go on with some comments let me state the following: * As I already stated I do not run Kubuntu (but openSUSE 13.10) and therefore do not know what the installation process does when it comes to formatting partitions or where it - and how - it wants to put its bootloader. This is bit is pretty important; * What you suggest below is a bit different to what appeared to be your original intentions and, keeping in mind what I just stated above, what I may comment could and would - and should! - be corrected/commented on by those who know Kubuntu; and * Bearing in mind my above comments, if you were to install openSUSE 13.10 as your first choice I would feel more comfortable about my following comments. But do NOT take this in any shape or form to mean that I am pushing oS. oS has KDE as one of its preferred desktop environments but how Kubuntu operates is still based on how Ubuntu approaches things (and which I find this to be rather disconcerting - for example when something has to be done by root in oS it IS done by root and not by invoking 'sudo' for every action you want to take. But this is neither here not there). > Via the present effort, I hope to fulfill 4 needs for both laptops: > > * smoothly working Kubuntu 13.10 as well as 2 -3 other secondary Linux > systems; This is where you introduced the first "change" to your original - probably based on the article I pointed you at. This is fine, but I now suggest (below) an alternative to how you should partition your HDD(s). > * enough space at the main system partition for Windows 7, hosted by Kubuntu > 13.10 via a VirtualBox environment; May I with the outmost of respects suggest that you do NOT do this but install Win #7 on its own and then "dual boot" rather than have it embedded in Linux under Virtualbox? I have Window 7 Professional installed and it is installed on its own, as a distinct and separate system. And if I want to use it - and I use it possibly once a month, if that - I simply boot into it from the grub2 menu. This leave me with a Linux system as a pure Linux system and the Windows 7 as a pure Windows system. No mixture, just pure blood systems. I am also advised by a friend who tried this that there are some Windows programs which will not run unless they are run in a purely Windows 7 installed system. And you have enough HDD space to be able to install W7 on its own. The other consideration is that if you re-install the Linux system where W7 is used via virtualbox you have to re-install W7 again. So why bother with this approach? Simple solution is to install it on its own and dual boot with it. > * a moderate CPU usage, also when Kontact and Akonadi are functioning; I don't use these so cannot comment re this "moderate CPU usage,..". > * a data partition that can be approached from 4 different distro's at one HD; Now here is something which requires clarification. If you mean by "distro's [sic]" Linux distros then this is fine because they will be able to read/write extention 4 file system, but if you include anything-Windows here then "the bets are off". (This, BTW, will affect your consideration of how to partition your HDD(s) and what file system you use to format the partitions.) Linux can read/write to Windows filesystems (FAT32, NTFS eg) but Windows is brainddead and cannot see anything-Linux. If you want this data partition to be also accessed by Windows 7 then you will need to format it in NTFS. BUT, but, bear in mind that some Linux data written to NTFS may have a hassle: Windows file systems do not recognise Linux Permissions for example, and, if I remember correctly, it has trouble with Linux symlinks. So, be clear about what you mean here and what you want to share with whom. > However it may be - below I work out a few details. And also after today, I > will keep you updated here on my experience. > > BACKUP BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE > ================================== > Sanket writes in the beginning of his article: >> (..).there is a very rare chance of losing data while playing with >> partitions. So, it is a good idea to back up all >> important data before advancing any further (...) > Basil Chupin writes in one of his contributions: >> The very first thing that you do is to do a backup of your >> /home/ to whatever destination is of your choice. Probably >> a USB stick may not be big enough so it would be worthwhile to burn it to a >> CD or a DVD. Your choice of destination medium. > Already about 2 years, such an approach is part of my basic routine praxis. I > am using 2 external HD's where I constantly backup all my data: one of 750 GB, > another one of 2 TB. Additionally, I also constantly backup some essential > data online: > * e-mails and address book via - for the time being still- Google; > * Firefox bookmarks and passwords via 'Sync'. I don't know which mail client you use (Thunderbird or KMail) or which browser (Firefox or ........) but if you are using Thunderbird and Firefox then the simplest way to backup what you just mentioned is to backup just 2 folders (in /home): * /.mozilla (for Firefox - your bookmarks are here); and * /.thunderbird. And *I*, personally, would NOT, in any shape or form, have anything to do with cloud-anything let alone anything to do with Google. But that is me. > WHAT EXACTLY TO DO IN WHICH STAGE > ================================ > In one of my previous mails, I have asked what exactly needs to be done during > or after installation of the first system - in my case Kubuntu 13.10. Basil has > answered this question as follows: >> The very first thing that you do is to do a backup of your >> /home/ to whatever destination is of your choice. .... >> You do all the partitioning at the start and while you are installing the >> system software[$]. Now here is something which I could have added above in my opening remarks but I think that it is better stated here. As I said, the original assumption was that you were going to install Kubuntu 13.x. But now the picture has changed a bit and your goals are clearer. So to carry on from here you need to- go to http://www.sysresccd.org/SystemRescueCd_Homepage and download and burn to disc the SystemRescueCD (v3.8.1, latest). This CD is one of those most essential tools which everyone should have in their tool box. For your purposes, it contains the tool GParted which you will use to partition the HDD(s) before you start to install any systems. Reason why you use this GParted is that the partitioner in Kubuntu may not be able to properly format the NTFS partition you will need for W7 (at least if you follow my recommendation re where W7 should go). (Like mc [Midnight Commander] SystemRescueCD is a tool which must exist in everyone's collection of useful tools.) > More details about partitioning and installing system software, you > can find below, in the paragraph 'Root, Home, System(s) and Data'. > With respect to what needs to be done after installing the first > system, Basil writes: >> After the system is up and running and you have everything working then it >> could be the time to start doing the symlinking. > He works out the last phrase as follows: >> In other words, there is nothing different to what you would normally do >> when installing the system except that once its up and running you create >> the directory Alpha (whatever) in 'Data' partition and symlink the >> folders/files from your /home to Alpha. > 1 SMALL 1 GB PARTITION IN THE BEGINNING > ===================================== > > You, Basil, say: >> What I forgot to add is to create another, small, only 1GB big, partition at >> the beginning and format it in ext4. You probably won't need it right now >> but at least you will have it available for use should you require it. > Is that little partition meant for the boot loader? > > In other words: .... >> sda1 1GB ext4 btldr <==Do NOT MOUNT[@] > .... is this the partition you are aiming at? Yes, it is for the bootloader (as per the article). And here I think is the time to suggest to you what I think your partitioning ought to be. I suggest the following, and bearing in mind that I strongly recommend installing W7 on its own: drive...size...format...label name...mount point sda1 1GB ext4 btldr (do not mount) sda2 30GB NTFS windows windows sda3 30GB ext4 linux1 / <==first Linux system sda4 EXTENDED PARTITION sda5 4GB swap sda6 30GB ext4 linux2 (do not mount) sda7 30GB ext4 linux3 (do not mount) sda8 30GB ext4 linux4 (do not mount) sda9 [95GB] ext4 data /data > RAM & SWAP > =========== > Myriam Schweingruber writes >> How much RAM do you have? 2 GB for Swap seems not that much, the rule >> is to have the double of the RAM up until 8 GB. I currently have 8 GB >> of RAM and an equal amount of Swap space which runs quite smoothly. > Georgi Kourtev writes: >> ....2G of swap. I also noticed that my swap is almost never used. >> Don't know why. I have 4G RAM. This is Dell inspiron 1520. > Basil Chupin writes: >> * Create a SWAP partition of 4GB (probably totally unnecessary but you do >> have a lot of disc space to play around with); > Henri Linux comments: >> I recommend SWAP = RAM capacity because if you gonna put the pc in >> hibernation you don't' gonna get problems. > However it may be, I have 4 GB RAM, at both machines. So, I create 4 GB of > SWAP at each of them. Just on this point. I have 16GB of RAM and I have yet to see more than 2.5GB being used. But this obviously depends on what apps are running. (I have just ordered a laptop, Lenovo T530, with all the "trimmings", and it will have 8GB of RAM. 4GB would have been more than enough but just in case...... I ordered it with 8GB.) I also have 4GB of swap but this has never been touched as far as I know. Someone did suggest that space is required for when you suspend to RAM or Hibernate and I understand this - but I never do either of these. (NOTE: this, BTW, is why I am suggesting that you make the partition for W7 30GB big because W7 creates a pagefile.sys file equivalent to your RAM amount as well as a hiberfil.sys which is 75% of your RAM size.) > ROOT , HOME, SYSTEM(S) AND DATA > ============================== > Bruce Marshall writes: >> I normally use a 20GB partition for root with a separate /home partition. >> >> And I normally use 1/2 of the 20gb which is pretty much all used for the >> system, no user data. > Georgi Kourtev writes: >> I have 30G for the root that is about half empty. The rest of my 250 G disk >> is /home, ....... > Basil's advise on this subject matter is for me -so far- the best way > indication for the way I want to go on now: > >> [$] After you have read the URL I gave you above, and after taking into >> account what I wrote previously, you will end up when you partition your >> HDD with these partitions: >> >> (dev - size - file system - name to give in partitioner) >> >> sda1 1GB ext4 btldr <==Do NOT MOUNT[@] >> >> sda2 4GB swap >> >> sda3 30GB ext4 / <==INSTALL system here >> sda4 Extended >> >> sda5 30GB ext4 <==Do NOT mount - for next system >> >> sda6 100GB ext4 Data <==MOUNT as Data[#] >> >> sda7 balance ext4 Spare <==MOUNT as Spare[#] >> [@] You mount this partition manually when, and if, you need it to create a >> new grub2 menu - read the pdf above. >> >> [#] By mounting them in the partitioner setup these will appear in >> /etc/fstab and be auto mounted on bootup. > For the time being, I will start with Kubuntu 13.10 along with KDE 4.11.2 as > main system, in the primary partition 'sda3' and reserve 3 other ext4 > partitions for 'secondary' systems. When that system will be up and running, I > will create the symlinks from /home to /data. After doing so, I will soon > install two secondary systems and create the same symlinks from their > respective /home directories to /data. I choose for 2 systems that both also > function along with KDE 4.11.2: > * Kubuntu 12.04 (with backports); > * openSUSE 13.01. This should be openSUSE 13.10 and not 13.01. oS 13.10 is yet to be released (scheduled for official realese 19 Nov) but the RC2 I am now using is perfect. The current official release is 12.3. > At a third partition, I will test in a later stage a 'release candidate' of > Kubuntu 14.04. > > Taking into account all the advises and my own decisions so far, I am > considering now to partition the HD at both laptops as follows: But please see above my (new) suggested partitioning plan. > (dev - size - file system - name to give in partitioner <=== other remarks) > > 'PRIMARY' PARTITIONS: sda1-sda2-sda3. > ================================ > sda1- 1 GB - ext 4 - bootloader <==== no mount now, if necessary later[1] > > sda2 - 4 GB - swap - swap <==== at both laptops, RAM is also 4 GB. > > sda3 - 50 GB - ext 4 - / <==== Main system: Kubuntu 13.10 & KDE 4.11.2, > hosting Windows 7 in a VirtualBox environment; > > Question: does a /home partition need to be manually set here? Or will /home > simply show up here after finishing the installation process? > > 'EXTENDED' PARTITIONS: sda4 and beyond. > =================================== > sda4 <==== first 'extended' partition > Question: will 'sda4' contain anything else except the beginning of the > 'extended' partition? > > sda5 - 30 GB - ext 4 <==== 2nd system: Kubuntu 12.04 LTS & KDE 4.11.2. [2] > > sda6 - 30 GB - ext 4 <==== 3rd system: OpenSuse 13.1 & KDE 4.11.2 [3] > > sda7 - 30 GB - ext 4 <==== 4th system: Kubuntu 14.04 RC & KDE 4.11.2 [4] > > sda8 - 100 GB - ext 4 - Data - <==== to be mounted as 'Data'[5] > > sda9 - 5 GB (Asus 1001 HA) or 255 GB (HP Pavilion DM 1) - ext 4 - Reserve - > <==== to be mounted as 'Reserve'[5] > > [1] sda1 can be mounted manually later, in case a 2nd bootloader is necessary. > Question: how can I PREVENT that partition from being mounted during the > installation process of Kubuntu 13.10.? > > [2] NO mount during installation of first system. Kubuntu 12.04 will be a kind > of system fall back option, in case something will go wrong with Kubuntu > 13.10. Planning: mid or 2nd half of November. Questions: > > * how can I PREVENT that partition from being mounted during the installation > process of Kubuntu 13.10.? > > * do I need to mount that partition when installing there Kubuntu 12.04? This is where at the beginning I opened my comments with the statement that I have not installed Kubuntu and don't know how its partitioner behaves and what control it allow you, the user, over what it does. With openSUSE the partitioner allows you to EDIT a partition and there it allows you to format the partition and Mount it or not have it mounted - eg, you can format a partition in ext4 and label it 'linux2' but not mount it so that it wouldn't appear in /etc/fstab, and you will need to mount it manually when you want to use it. I am guessing that Kubuntu will allow you to do the same, but I am only guessing. ........................................ I'll stop here and finish off the rest tomorrow morning. [...] BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From mrmazda at earthlink.net Wed Nov 6 15:24:41 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 10:24:41 -0500 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <527A5F39.2070800@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-06 23:45 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed: > * As I already stated I do not run Kubuntu (but openSUSE 13.10) and There is no openSUSE 13.10 now, next week, or most likely ever: https://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap :-p > May I with the outmost of respects suggest that you do NOT do this but > install Win #7 on its own and then "dual boot" rather than have it > embedded in Linux under Virtualbox? Or install W7 on its own *and* run it as an application under VBox, so no need to give up Linux data access whilst running W7 apps... > I am also advised by a friend who tried this that there are some Windows > programs which will not run unless they are run in a purely Windows 7 > installed system. ...and actually boot W7 if and when this is an issue. > Linux can read/write to Windows filesystems (FAT32, NTFS eg) but Windows > is brainddead and cannot see anything-Linux. Actually EXT2 access is available after installing an appropriate driver, according to reports I've read. It may be this has been extended to EXT3 and possibly EXT4 as well, but I don't use Windows enough to bother taking the risk. > Reason why you use this GParted is that the partitioner in Kubuntu may > not be able to properly format the NTFS partition you will need for W7 > (at least if you follow my recommendation re where W7 should go). Formatting is not a traditional partitioner's job. Partitioners are for partitioning. Unless you wish to install to a partition you wish formatted in a different configuration from what the installation application makes available, the right tool to use for formatting is the one doing the installing of the particular operating system. > (Like mc [Midnight Commander] SystemRescueCD is a tool which must exist > in everyone's collection of useful tools.) There exist better OFMs for particular purposes, but MC is the overall best while running Linux. For Windows there seems to be more OFMs available. The one I use when running OS/2 or Windows comes from http://silk.apana.org.au/fc.html and for particular activities I use it also in Linux, most often editing and copying from text files to other applications. > I suggest the following, and bearing in mind that I strongly recommend > installing W7 on its own: > drive...size...format...label name...mount point > sda1 1GB ext4 btldr (do not mount) Gross overkill. > sda2 30GB NTFS windows windows > sda3 30GB ext4 linux1 / <==first Linux system Most likely gross overkill. > sda4 EXTENDED PARTITION A misnomer, as it never gets *a* filesystem. It's only a partition table entry whose main job is to identify the location of the first "logical" partition in the logical partition chain. > sda5 4GB swap > sda6 30GB ext4 linux2 (do not mount) Most likely gross overkill. > sda7 30GB ext4 linux3 (do not mount) Most likely gross overkill. > sda8 30GB ext4 linux4 (do not mount) Most likely gross overkill. > sda9 [95GB] ext4 data /data Most likely gross undersize. For maximum performance, at least in theory, swap should be as close to the front of the HD as practical, as that's the location of fastest access on most HDs. To that end, Windows "C:" should be as small as required by its installer. For the same reason, the most used operating system(s) should be as close to the front as practical. http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/disk1500G-multiboot.txt provides an example partitioning scheme to such end, one actually used for the HTPC with 512kib sector HD at my main TV. A relatively modest variation of this layout should suffice for the OP. Note the much smaller than normally seen recommended system partitions. System partitions larger than needed steal space from data partitions, at least potentially running one out of data space prematurely, while leaving vast amounts of space on system partitions unused by most people (non-developers). Most of my systems have system (/) partitions for Linux of only 4800GB. Note that the "C:" partition is only 400MB. There's no good reason to give Windows the fastest HD space if it isn't your preferred OS. Same as Linux, it only needs a modest amount of space for boot files on a primary (/boot) partition, and everything else can go somewhere else (usually D: according to Windows). C: (and /boot) can actually be put at the tail end of the device if there's no need for legacy OS access. It gets accessed only at boot time. Note that both Windows and Linux have primary partitions for booting. This allows use of standard MBR code, and using either a Linux or a Windows bootloader as the primary bootloader simply by flipping two bits in the master partition table (making the selected partition active/startable/bootable). This means Windows could be reinstalled daily without ever making Linux unreachable for more than one post-installation boot cycle per installation. Linux does not need Grub (or any other non-standard) code in the MBR to get booted. Linux writing Grub to the MBR at installation is no less rude than Windows rewriting standard MBR code at reinstallation time. Grub only needs to be on the MBR when it both cannot be installed to a primary partition on the first HD, and *needs* to be the primary bootloader. To see an example of how to setup Windows (XP) to boot Linux, see: http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/install-doz-after.html. For W7, the bootloader is different, but the concept the same. > Just on this point. > I have 16GB of RAM and I have yet to see more than 2.5GB being used. But > this obviously depends on what apps are running. On the 24/7 system I'm writing this on, swap (4G) is disabled, and only 4G RAM is installed. I keep over 160 tabs open among 6 web browsers, plus two chat and several other apps open constantly. ATM, only 52% of RAM is used by the system and apps, the rest for disk cache. There's little reason for most users to have swap unless the system is ever hibernated. Other than for hibernation, swap is for most installations an anachronism. > (NOTE: this, BTW, is why I am suggesting that you make the partition for > W7 30GB big because W7 creates a pagefile.sys file equivalent to your > RAM amount as well as a hiberfil.sys which is 75% of your RAM size.) Windows' paging file should be limited by the user to a sane amount in system settings. A paging file on a system with more than 2-4G of installed RAM is usually a 100% waste of disk space. If one is multibooting, in most cases of non-expert users, Windows should not be hibernating, and so the hibernate function (and its significant space requirement) should disabled. >> Question: how can I PREVENT that partition from being mounted during the >> installation process of Kubuntu 13.10.? Not mounting at startup has been an installation setup option per non-/ partition on every *buntu and openSUSE installation I've done. Some system installers don't provide such an option except by not including the partition among the desired mounts. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Nov 6 23:43:55 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs in English) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 00:43:55 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> References: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <1572596.gpsmYNUOLg@viaconsensus-iter> Hello Basil and Everybody. Thanks, Basil, for your latest input. Let's go through it now > * As I already stated I do not run Kubuntu (but openSUSE 13.10) and > therefore do not know what the installation process does when it comes > to formatting partitions .... When choosing for the option 'manual installation' in the Kubuntu installation process, the possibilities in the realm of partitioning and partition editing are quite similar to the ones you mention elsewhere in your message - as far as I can see now. >or where it - and how - it wants to put its > bootloader. This is bit is pretty important; As far as I remember from previous installation sessions, also the Kubuntu installer puts the bootloader in the beginning of the HD. > * What you suggest below is a bit different to what appeared to be your > original intentions You are right - my intentions have changed/ evaluated - because of several advises earlier in this thread as well as in the article recommended by you in one of your previous messages. > and, keeping in mind what I just stated above, what > I may comment could and would - and should! - be corrected/commented on > by those who know Kubuntu; .... Above and below, I take into account my own Kubuntu installation experience ever since 2007. However - it would be useful if fellow Kubuntu users would comment too. > > * Bearing in mind my above comments, if you were to install openSUSE > 13.10 as your first choice I would feel more comfortable about my > following comments. But do NOT take this in any shape or form to mean > that I am pushing oS. oS has KDE as one of its preferred desktop > environments but how Kubuntu operates is still based on how Ubuntu > approaches things (and which I find this to be rather disconcerting - > for example when something has to be done by root in oS it IS done by > root and not by invoking 'sudo' for every action you want to take. But > this is neither here not there). In some situations, I simply invoke 'sudo' when needed. In other situations, I first go to root mode in order to enable myself to work without 'sudo' or 'kdesudo'. > > > Via the present effort, I hope to fulfill 4 needs for both laptops: > > > > * smoothly working Kubuntu 13.10 as well as 2 -3 other secondary Linux > > systems; > > This is where you introduced the first "change" to your original - > probably based on the article I pointed you at. Yes, this is a change, inspired by the article you refer to. > This is fine, but I now > suggest (below) an alternative to how you should partition your HDD(s). > > > * enough space at the main system partition for Windows 7, hosted by > > Kubuntu 13.10 via a VirtualBox environment; > > May I with the outmost of respects suggest that you do NOT do this but > install Win #7 on its own and then "dual boot" rather than have it > embedded in Linux under Virtualbox? > > I have Window 7 Professional installed and it is installed on its own, > as a distinct and separate system. And if I want to use it - and I use > it possibly once a month, if that - I simply boot into it from the grub2 > menu. > > This leave me with a Linux system as a pure Linux system and the Windows > 7 as a pure Windows system. No mixture, just pure blood systems. > > I am also advised by a friend who tried this that there are some Windows > programs which will not run unless they are run in a purely Windows 7 > installed system. > > And you have enough HDD space to be able to install W7 on its own. Your friend might be right. When working with Win7 within VirtualBox, I also have difficulties with some programs and USB connections. I have dual booted Windows and Kubuntu during several years. It's allright for me to return to such a routine, in combination with multiple system booting. > > The other consideration is that if you re-install the Linux system where > W7 is used via virtualbox you have to re-install W7 again. ? I do not understand this quite well. What I had in mind was simply first to install Kubuntu 13.10, within which I would operate with Windows 7 within Virtual Box. However it may be... > Simple solution is to install it on its own and dual > boot with it. As I said, it is OK for me to dual boot again. > > > * a moderate CPU usage, also when Kontact and Akonadi are functioning; > > I don't use these so cannot comment re this "moderate CPU usage,..". Is there anybody else who has tried to work with Kontact and Akonadi in a configuration similar to the one I am considering to create? (See below.) > > > * a data partition that can be approached from 4 different distro's at one > > HD; > Now here is something which requires clarification. > > If you mean by "distro's [sic]" Linux distros then this is fine because > they will be able to read/write extention 4 file system, This is exactly what I mean. What I have considered when writing my previous message: * Kubuntu 13.10 and 3 other Linux distro's; * Win 7 embedded in a virtual environment within Kubuntu 13.10 as host OS. > but if you > include anything-Windows here then "the bets are off". (This, BTW, will > affect your consideration of how to partition your HDD(s) and what file > system you use to format the partitions.) I have not considered something like that - see above. > > Linux can read/write to Windows filesystems (FAT32, NTFS eg) but Windows > is brainddead and cannot see anything-Linux. I know this! When dual booting, it was weird to see Linux being able to look into the Windows partition, but not the other way around..... > > If you want this data partition to be also accessed by Windows 7 then > you will need to format it in NTFS. I do not intend to access my data from /data from Windows. Only a Win7 partition I want to format in NTFS. Apart from the little SWAP and BOOT partitions, I format everything else in EXT4 - even the 2 external HD's I am using now for my regular backups. One old external HD I have formatted into NTFS for exchange of data with Windows and Apple computers. > > BUT, but, bear in mind that some Linux data written to NTFS may have a > hassle: Windows file systems do not recognise Linux Permissions for > example, and, if I remember correctly, it has trouble with Linux symlinks. I know. > > So, be clear about what you mean here and what you want to share with whom. As stated above - only from the Linux partitions I want to access /data. > > I don't know which mail client you use (Thunderbird or KMail) or which > browser (Firefox or ........) but if you are using Thunderbird and > Firefox then the simplest way to backup what you just mentioned is to > backup just 2 folders (in /home): > > * /.mozilla (for Firefox - your bookmarks are here); and > > * /.thunderbird. I use KMail as e-mail client - together with 3 other frequently applications from the 'Kontact' PIM suite: KAddress book, Calendar, To-do list and Akregator (a RSS feeds reader). and Firefox as main/ standard browser. > And *I*, personally, would NOT, in any shape or form, have anything to > do with cloud-anything let alone anything to do with Google. But that is me. For the time being, I keep using to the Google cloud to enable myself to access my calendar and address book from both my laptops and my Android phone - until I find some better alternative. Loosing my address data is worse compared to any privacy/ NHS problems..... > As I said, the original assumption was that you were going to install > Kubuntu 13.x. But now the picture has changed a bit and your goals are > clearer. My goals: see above and below. > So to carry on from here you need to- > go to http://www.sysresccd.org/SystemRescueCd_Homepage > > and download and burn to disc the SystemRescueCD (v3.8.1, latest). > > This CD is one of those most essential tools which everyone should have > in their tool box. Thanks for this useful advise. I will burn this CD and use it ...... > > For your purposes, it contains the tool GParted which you will use to > partition the HDD(s) before you start to install any systems. > > Reason why you use this GParted is that the partitioner in Kubuntu may > not be able to properly format the NTFS partition you will need for W7 > (at least if you follow my recommendation re where W7 should go). I use both GParted and 'KDE Partition manager' - the default partitioner coming with a fresh install from Kubuntu. Both packages do manage to create NTFS partitions. However, I like your idea about the rescue CD with GParted. > > (Like mc [Midnight Commander] SystemRescueCD is a tool which must exist > in everyone's collection of useful tools.) I have taken a quick look at the internet page of 'SystemRescueCD' - I agree with you on this. One question remains in this context. What is the right order of actions? At present, I consider the following sequence: 1. A..S.A.P. Partitioning and partition editing with GParted from the SystemRescueCD - along the lines of the partitioning schedule you recommend to me. (See below.) 2. A..S.A.P. Installation of Windows 7 in the sda2 NTFS partition. 3. A.S.A.P. Installation of Kubuntu 13.10 in sda3 as first, main Linux system. 4. A.S.A.P. Symlinking from /home in sda3 to /data/Alpha. 5. Second half of November. Installation of Kubuntu 12.04 in sda6 and symlinking from the /home there to /data/Alpha. 6. Late November or early December. Installation of openSuse 13.10 in sda7 and symlinking from the /home there to /data/Alpha. ..... > > However it may be, I have 4 GB RAM, at both machines. So, I create 4 GB of > > SWAP at each of them. > > Just on this point. > > I have 16GB of RAM and I have yet to see more than 2.5GB being used. But > this obviously depends on what apps are running. OK - clear. ...... > I also have 4GB of swap but this has never been touched as far as I > know. Someone did suggest that space is required for when you suspend to > RAM or Hibernate and I understand this - but I never do either of these. You mean: you just turn on and off your PC? > > (NOTE: this, BTW, is why I am suggesting that you make the partition for > W7 30GB big because W7 creates a pagefile.sys file equivalent to your > RAM amount as well as a hiberfil.sys which is 75% of your RAM size.) Clear. ....... > > This should be openSUSE 13.10 and not 13.01. > > oS 13.10 is yet to be released (scheduled for official realese 19 Nov) > but the RC2 I am now using is perfect. The current official release is 12.3. So, I will install openSUSE 13.10 at or after 19 November in sda7. See above. > > Kubuntu 14.04 RC..... > But please see above my (new) suggested partitioning plan. Kubuntu 14.04 Release Candidate I will install in sda8, at some suitable moment in Januari or February 2014. > > > > * do I need to mount that partition when installing there Kubuntu 12.04? > > This is where at the beginning I opened my comments with the statement > that I have not installed Kubuntu and don't know how its partitioner > behaves and what control it allow you, the user, over what it does. > > With openSUSE the partitioner allows you to EDIT a partition and there > it allows you to format the partition and Mount it or not have it > mounted - eg, you can format a partition in ext4 and label it 'linux2' > but not mount it so that it wouldn't appear in /etc/fstab, and you will > need to mount it manually when you want to use it. I am guessing that > Kubuntu will allow you to do the same, but I am only guessing. As far as I can remember from previous installation sessions, there are similar formatting, labelling and partitioning possibilities when using the 'manual partitioning' procedure. However, the 'RescueCD' you point at, seems useful to me in this context. Thanks for all the feedback and advise so far. Respectftully yours, Bas G. Roufs. -- Bas G. Roufs MA. Utrecht, NL, European Union, UTC + 2. E-mail: BasRoufs at gmail.com M./ SMS: +31 6 446 835 10; T. +31 30 785 20 40. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Thu Nov 7 04:28:30 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 23:28:30 -0500 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <1572596.gpsmYNUOLg@viaconsensus-iter> References: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> <1572596.gpsmYNUOLg@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: <527B16EE.4050308@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-07 00:43 (GMT+0100) Bas G. Roufs in English composed: >> or where it - and how - it wants to put its >> bootloader. This is bit is pretty important; > As far as I remember from previous installation sessions, also the Kubuntu > installer puts the bootloader in the beginning of the HD. Every Linux distro I've used, except openSUSE, categorically assumes you wish its bootloader be installed to the MBR. openSUSE usually does the same, but not always, as it may take into account what is or is to be installed on primary partitions, sometimes suggests / or /boot, and often the extended. Most installers also assume you wish the new bootloader to be the primary bootloader, and include all operating systems it can find in its boot menu. The more operating systems you install to a system, the less likely any or all of these defaults will be satisfactory long term. You need accept neither MBR default, nor master, in most distros, including *buntu and openSUSE. I never allow MBR for Grub, and disable bootloader installation entirely for every installation that provides neither / nor /boot option (e.g. Fedora). My systems all boot from a primary partition using standard MBR code, one which I maintain myself, and do not ever mount to /boot. Most commonly I use Grub Legacy as master bootloader, never Grub2. On a brand new or otherwise empty HD getting set up from scratch, my usual procedure is to boot Knoppix (granddaddy and king of live Linux) to run a partitioner, after which I install Grub manually, before doing the first OS install, which may or may not be Windows, and typically is not. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Nov 7 04:48:40 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:48:40 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <527A5F39.2070800@earthlink.net> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> <527A5F39.2070800@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <527B1BA8.9090804@iinet.net.au> On 07/11/13 02:24, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-11-06 23:45 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed: > >> * As I already stated I do not run Kubuntu (but openSUSE 13.10) and > > There is no openSUSE 13.10 now, next week, or most likely ever: > https://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap :-p The number 13.10 is the same as 13.1000 or 13.1000000000 or 13.100000000000000000000000000000. However, 13.10.x is a totally different kettle of fish. Bas is talking about Kubuntu 13.10 and also mentioned openSUSE 13.10. I just go along with his terminology and don't try to wast time explaining things. > May I with the outmost of respects suggest that you do NOT do this but >> install Win #7 on its own and then "dual boot" rather than have it >> embedded in Linux under Virtualbox? > > Or install W7 on its own *and* run it as an application under VBox, so > no need to give up Linux data access whilst running W7 apps... That is what you would do. I wouldn't go this way - and haven't. I learnt from my experience in using XP under VirtualBox. However, its up to Bas to decide what he wants to do. > I am also advised by a friend who tried this that there are some Windows >> programs which will not run unless they are run in a purely Windows 7 >> installed system. > > ...and actually boot W7 if and when this is an issue. > >> Linux can read/write to Windows filesystems (FAT32, NTFS eg) but Windows >> is brainddead and cannot see anything-Linux. > > Actually EXT2 access is available after installing an appropriate > driver, according to reports I've read. It may be this has been > extended to EXT3 and possibly EXT4 as well, but I don't use Windows > enough to bother taking the risk. So you don't use Windows enough to be able to make a considered comment, right? Mentioning ext2 and ext3 and anything else is only a means of confusing the issue. Using ext2 is now ancient practice as is using ext3. > Reason why you use this GParted is that the partitioner in Kubuntu may >> not be able to properly format the NTFS partition you will need for W7 >> (at least if you follow my recommendation re where W7 should go). > > Formatting is not a traditional partitioner's job. Partitioners are > for partitioning. Unless you wish to install to a partition you wish > formatted in a different configuration from what the installation > application makes available, the right tool to use for formatting is > the one doing the installing of the particular operating system. Partly correct - the bit which is correct is the last sentence: a partition should be formatted by the system to be installed on it. However, I have found that using the partitioner in oS it formats the partitions perfectly. Why I am suggesting for Bas to use the SystemRescueCD is that the oS partitioner does not do a good NTFS format (as far as I remember, but correct me if I am wrong) but GParted does do NTFS. > (Like mc [Midnight Commander] SystemRescueCD is a tool which must exist >> in everyone's collection of useful tools.) > > There exist better OFMs for particular purposes, but MC is the overall > best while running Linux. For Windows there seems to be more OFMs > available. The one I use when running OS/2 or Windows comes from > http://silk.apana.org.au/fc.html and for particular activities I use > it also in Linux, most often editing and copying from text files to > other applications. > >> I suggest the following, and bearing in mind that I strongly recommend >> installing W7 on its own: > >> drive...size...format...label name...mount point >> sda1 1GB ext4 btldr (do not mount) > > Gross overkill. Yes, most likely it is an overkill. But it makes explaining something to someone less painful when one uses the same terms throughout an explanation. In this case everything is stated in GB - less confusion than mixing in MB and GB all over the place. Besides, there is plenty of disc space for Bas to play around with and 1GB actually works out to be around 900MBs. So why stuff around with paltry 1 GB when you have 250GB and 500GB to play around with? > sda2 30GB NTFS windows windows >> sda3 30GB ext4 linux1 / <==first Linux system > > Most likely gross overkill. See response above. But you also said that you don't have much experience with Windows. Well, let me tell you that if you do not have enough disc space for Windows to install it simply won't install. And you have wasted your time in partitioning your HDD in preparation of installing Windows. Been there, done that. Windows copies its files onto the HDD. It then unarchives the files. It then installs them. If there is insufficient space to do all this Windows aborts - and you have to go back to square one. Also Bas seems happy with the figure of 30GB and I have no objection to this figure. Having this amount of disc space allows for some leeway in case space is suddenly needed at a later stage. [...] BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Nov 7 04:53:46 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:53:46 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <1572596.gpsmYNUOLg@viaconsensus-iter> References: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> <1572596.gpsmYNUOLg@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: <527B1CDA.3090301@iinet.net.au> On 07/11/13 10:43, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: > Hello Basil and Everybody. > > Thanks, Basil, for your latest input. Let's go through it now >> * As I already stated I do not run Kubuntu (but openSUSE 13.10) and >> therefore do not know what the installation process does when it comes >> to formatting partitions .... Bas, I can see that Felix has offered his expertise to help you out with your requirements so I will let him do just that if that's all right with you. [....] BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From theuteck at gmail.com Thu Nov 7 05:26:12 2013 From: theuteck at gmail.com (theuteck at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 23:26:12 -0600 Subject: / and swap sizing (was: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best...) In-Reply-To: <526AAFE3.7010006@earthlink.net> References: <526AAFE3.7010006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8572584.16nUMELzcq@allmine> Swap is used to hibernate systems, so the x2 RAM method is still useful if you plan on using that feature. On Friday, October 25, 2013 01:52:35 PM Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-10-25 20:19 (GMT+0300) Georgi Kourtev composed: > > I have 30G for the root that is about half empty. The rest of my 250 G > > disk > > is /home, and 2G of swap. I also noticed that my swap is almost never > > used. > > Allocating 2X RAM for swap is an ancient anachronism, invented for machines > with only 4M or less of installed RAM. Ordinary users with 4G (1000X as > much) installed who need swap ever are rare. This machine with 4G installed > RAM running 6 web browsers, 200+ tabs, plus other running apps runs a 10G / > 59% full, no swap enabled, and no observable performance loss from lack of > enabled swap. Allocating some swap to catch potential memory leakers before > locking a system up makes some sense, but it is rarely necessary for more > users. One common use where enable swap *might* provide observable speedup > is duplicating DVDs using one DVD drive, since a temp file in RAM instead > of HD is seriously faster. Net result though, due to I/O bottleneck, isn't > so much faster. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Thu Nov 7 05:36:06 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 00:36:06 -0500 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <527B1BA8.9090804@iinet.net.au> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> <527A5F39.2070800@earthlink.net> <527B1BA8.9090804@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <527B26C6.3070601@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-07 15:48 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed: > Felix Miata wrote: >> There is no openSUSE 13.10 now, next week, or most likely ever: >> https://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap :-p > The number 13.10 is the same as 13.1000 or 13.1000000000 or > 13.100000000000000000000000000000. True. But, a numeral in a particular context is not always a number. Among distro names, numerals are only part of a label, having no value for the arithmetic, algebraic or other mathematical context that makes 13.10 equivalent to 13.1. The openSUSE product is not openSUSE 13.10, but openSUSE 13.1, just like Kubuntu 13.10 is not Kubuntu 13.1, and Fedora 19 is not Fedora 19.0. >> Actually EXT2 access is available after installing an appropriate >> driver, according to reports I've read. It may be this has been >> extended to EXT3 and possibly EXT4 as well, but I don't use Windows >> enough to bother taking the risk. > So you don't use Windows enough to be able to make a considered comment, > right? wrong. You misread. > Mentioning ext2 and ext3 and anything else is only a means of confusing > the issue. > Using ext2 is now ancient practice as is using ext3. And yet 100% of my dozens of Linux native boot partitions are in fact EXT2, 0% EXT3, and 0% EXT4. Boot partitions are little used, have no material need for journaling to waste their limited space, house a limited number of files of which a number are rather large and the primary space consumers, and can be accessed by live Linux media 10 or more years old, for maximum accessibility and compatibility. The EXT4 drivers used for installation and operation are perfectly content using them. Newer doesn't necessarily equate to better. > I have found that using the partitioner in oS it formats the > partitions perfectly. Depends on your definition of "perfectly". Not all formatting options are necessarily available in the formatting processes available for partitions formatted during installation. Formatting in advance can provide access to 100% of formatting options for a given filesystem type. > Why I am suggesting for Bas to use the SystemRescueCD is that the oS > partitioner does not do a good NTFS format (as far as I remember, but > correct me if I am wrong) but GParted does do NTFS. Why do you suggest any partitioner do duty as formatter? What I wrote was merely a response to the implication from what you wrote that formatting by a partitioner might be advisable at any time. That any partitioner may also do partitioning duty is not a rationale for mixing up the concepts of partitioning with filesystem creation. One necessarily precedes the other, while the latter need not follow directly. > But you also said that you don't have much experience with Windows. I have plenty, going back well over two decades. Having no compelling need to use it continuously is not the same as not using it. > Windows copies its files onto the HDD. It then unarchives the files. It > then installs them. If there is insufficient space to do all this > Windows aborts Hence the reason to make the C: primary partition larger than the limited space required to house Windows' booting files. > - and you have to go back to square one. Another overstatement. Starting Windows installation on a multiboot system is usually not square one. When it is, it's usually a consequence of lack of experience and/or planning. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From mrmazda at earthlink.net Thu Nov 7 05:41:56 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 00:41:56 -0500 Subject: / and swap sizing In-Reply-To: <8572584.16nUMELzcq@allmine> References: <526AAFE3.7010006@earthlink.net> <8572584.16nUMELzcq@allmine> Message-ID: <527B2824.5010008@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-06 23:26 (GMT-0600) theuteck at gmail.com composed: > Swap is used to hibernate systems, so the x2 RAM method is still useful if you > plan on using that feature. In what configurations does hibernation require swap space to be larger than 100% of installed RAM? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From mrmazda at earthlink.net Thu Nov 7 05:48:27 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 00:48:27 -0500 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <527B1CDA.3090301@iinet.net.au> References: <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> <1572596.gpsmYNUOLg@viaconsensus-iter> <527B1CDA.3090301@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <527B29AB.1030107@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-07 15:53 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed: > Bas, I can see that Felix has offered his expertise to help you out with > your requirements so I will let him do just that if that's all right > with you. I haven't, and won't be, weighing in on Akonadi or Kontakt issues. The thread obviously remains open to all interested in helping Bas to whatever extent they believe useful/helpful, including you. Partitioning and multiboot are as much art as science. There is and can be no single right way to do either. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From cody.smith9202 at gmail.com Thu Nov 7 05:54:48 2013 From: cody.smith9202 at gmail.com (Cody Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:54:48 -0800 Subject: / and swap sizing (was: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best...) In-Reply-To: <8572584.16nUMELzcq@allmine> References: <526AAFE3.7010006@earthlink.net> <8572584.16nUMELzcq@allmine> Message-ID: the max I use for swap is roughly 500mb more than the available ram (I.E. 8gb RAM, 8.5GB swap), never seems to hurt to have a little more swap than RAM, but yet, I have plenty of storage (1.5TB total), so I'm not sure how doable that is in lower storage systems. --c_smith On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:26 PM, wrote: > Swap is used to hibernate systems, so the x2 RAM method is still useful if > you > plan on using that feature. > > On Friday, October 25, 2013 01:52:35 PM Felix Miata wrote: > > On 2013-10-25 20:19 (GMT+0300) Georgi Kourtev composed: > > > I have 30G for the root that is about half empty. The rest of my 250 G > > > disk > > > is /home, and 2G of swap. I also noticed that my swap is almost never > > > used. > > > > Allocating 2X RAM for swap is an ancient anachronism, invented for > machines > > with only 4M or less of installed RAM. Ordinary users with 4G (1000X as > > much) installed who need swap ever are rare. This machine with 4G > installed > > RAM running 6 web browsers, 200+ tabs, plus other running apps runs a > 10G / > > 59% full, no swap enabled, and no observable performance loss from lack > of > > enabled swap. Allocating some swap to catch potential memory leakers > before > > locking a system up makes some sense, but it is rarely necessary for more > > users. One common use where enable swap *might* provide observable > speedup > > is duplicating DVDs using one DVD drive, since a temp file in RAM instead > > of HD is seriously faster. Net result though, due to I/O bottleneck, > isn't > > so much faster. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Nov 7 06:12:11 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:12:11 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <527B26C6.3070601@earthlink.net> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> <527A5F39.2070800@earthlink.net> <527B1BA8.9090804@iinet.net.au> <527B26C6.3070601@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <527B2F3B.9010507@iinet.net.au> On 07/11/13 16:36, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-11-07 15:48 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed: > >> Felix Miata wrote: > >>> There is no openSUSE 13.10 now, next week, or most likely ever: >>> https://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap :-p > >> The number 13.10 is the same as 13.1000 or 13.1000000000 or >> 13.100000000000000000000000000000. > > True. But, a numeral in a particular context is not always a number. > Among distro names, numerals are only part of a label, having no value > for the arithmetic, algebraic or other mathematical context that makes > 13.10 equivalent to 13.1. The openSUSE product is not openSUSE 13.10, > but openSUSE 13.1, just like Kubuntu 13.10 is not Kubuntu 13.1, and > Fedora 19 is not Fedora 19.0. > >>> Actually EXT2 access is available after installing an appropriate >>> driver, according to reports I've read. It may be this has been >>> extended to EXT3 and possibly EXT4 as well, but I don't use Windows >>> enough to bother taking the risk. > >> So you don't use Windows enough to be able to make a considered comment, >> right? > > wrong. You misread. > >> Mentioning ext2 and ext3 and anything else is only a means of confusing >> the issue. > >> Using ext2 is now ancient practice as is using ext3. > > And yet 100% of my dozens of Linux native boot partitions are in fact > EXT2, 0% EXT3, and 0% EXT4. Boot partitions are little used, have no > material need for journaling to waste their limited space, house a > limited number of files of which a number are rather large and the > primary space consumers, and can be accessed by live Linux media 10 or > more years old, for maximum accessibility and compatibility. The EXT4 > drivers used for installation and operation are perfectly content > using them. Newer doesn't necessarily equate to better. That is YOU. That is what YOU are used to and want to stick with. THAT is YOUR prerogative. You still insist that KDE3 is better than KDE4. That is YOUR prerogative to have this opinion. You also see grub-legacy as the be and end all and that grub2 is a blight on the world. Again this is YOUR prerogative to see it as that. Others don't agree with you. And that is their prerogative because they choose to be progressive, pragmatic and accept and contribute to the better development of the future. > I have found that using the partitioner in oS it formats the >> partitions perfectly. > > Depends on your definition of "perfectly". Not all formatting options > are necessarily available in the formatting processes available for > partitions formatted during installation. Formatting in advance can > provide access to 100% of formatting options for a given filesystem type. > >> Why I am suggesting for Bas to use the SystemRescueCD is that the oS >> partitioner does not do a good NTFS format (as far as I remember, but >> correct me if I am wrong) but GParted does do NTFS. > > Why do you suggest any partitioner do duty as formatter? What I wrote > was merely a response to the implication from what you wrote that > formatting by a partitioner might be advisable at any time. That any > partitioner may also do partitioning duty is not a rationale for > mixing up the concepts of partitioning with filesystem creation. One > necessarily precedes the other, while the latter need not follow > directly. Are you being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative? > But you also said that you don't have much experience with Windows. > > I have plenty, going back well over two decades. Having no compelling > need to use it continuously is not the same as not using it. > >> Windows copies its files onto the HDD. It then unarchives the files. It >> then installs them. If there is insufficient space to do all this >> Windows aborts > > Hence the reason to make the C: primary partition larger than the > limited space required to house Windows' booting files. At last some glimmer of light! My suggestion was to create one 30GB partition for W7 which will do away with the need for a C partition and therefore contain *all* the space that W7 will require to install itself (and then some [space] for future use). Is this so difficult to understand and accept? > - and you have to go back to square one. > > Another overstatement. Starting Windows installation on a multiboot > system is usually not square one. When it is, it's usually a > consequence of lack of experience and/or planning. What you fail to understand and appreciate is that there are any number of people reading this thread who may be totally inexperienced and otherwise known as "newbies". Bas asked a question. His question indicates that he is not like you, a real rocket scientist, when it comes to partitioning/formatting to meet his needs. Have YOU asked him in this thread what his experience is? No. I haven't either but I also do know that KISS is the best policy when answering questions - until the questioner reveals that s/he has some experience/knowledge re what they are asking about. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Nov 7 06:30:09 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:30:09 +1100 Subject: Intersting....... Message-ID: <527B3371.6020003@iinet.net.au> A copy of a post which refuses to be posted in this list: On 07/11/13 01:44, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Basil, > > > We have a little problem here, as, despite what you say, you are > advertising an different distribution as the kubuntu-users mailing > list is about. > > What distribution you use is your choice, but please abstain from > giving any advice or mention of a different one, as that would be > totally off topic. > > Similarly, please keep private chatter out of the list. If you want to > find out where somebody lives, this is not matter for this mailing > list, you can drop them a private mail. > > > Thanks in advance for respecting the rules. > > > Regards, Myriam I responded to the above message some 20+ minutes ago but my response has not reached this list. But other posts I made following my response to the above did make it to this list. Fascinating, intriguing and puzzling to say the least....... BC ADDENDUM: the time mentioned in the above message is now "1hour+ ago" and not "some 20+ minutes". BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From myriam at kubuntu.org Thu Nov 7 06:54:10 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:54:10 +0100 Subject: Intersting....... In-Reply-To: <527B3371.6020003@iinet.net.au> References: <527B3371.6020003@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > A copy of a post which refuses to be posted in this list: > > On 07/11/13 01:44, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> Hi Basil, >> >> >> We have a little problem here, as, despite what you say, you are >> advertising an different distribution as the kubuntu-users mailing >> list is about. >> >> What distribution you use is your choice, but please abstain from >> giving any advice or mention of a different one, as that would be >> totally off topic. >> >> Similarly, please keep private chatter out of the list. If you want to >> find out where somebody lives, this is not matter for this mailing >> list, you can drop them a private mail. >> >> >> Thanks in advance for respecting the rules. >> >> >> Regards, Myriam > > I responded to the above message some 20+ minutes ago but my response has > not reached this list. > > But other posts I made following my response to the above did make it to > this list. > > Fascinating, intriguing and puzzling to say the least....... > > BC > > > ADDENDUM: the time mentioned in the above message is now "1hour+ ago" and > not "some 20+ minutes". *sigh* you should have checked again, this was a private mail... Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From mrmazda at earthlink.net Thu Nov 7 07:10:23 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 02:10:23 -0500 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <527B2F3B.9010507@iinet.net.au> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> <527A5F39.2070800@earthlink.net> <527B1BA8.9090804@iinet.net.au> <527B26C6.3070601@earthlink.net> <527B2F3B.9010507@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <527B3CDF.4060003@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-07 17:12 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed: > My suggestion was to create one 30GB partition for W7 which will do away > with the need for a C partition and therefore contain *all* the space > that W7 will require to install itself (and then some [space] for future > use). > Is this so difficult to understand and accept? You made a suggestion. I made a suggestion. Is this difficult to understand and accept? KISS is fine, but knowledge of its consequences shouldn't be summarily dismissed. My suggestion points out how the fastest part of a HD might be better put to use than to allocate it to a secondary operating system. > What you fail to understand and appreciate is that there are any number > of people reading this thread who may be totally inexperienced and > otherwise known as "newbies". I do no such thing, and I'm authoring comments for thread participants, not mere observers. > Have YOU asked him in this thread what his experience is? No. Did I need to? I've read the thread in its entirety at least as far back as his post archived at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2013-October/058520.html and so far haven't seen indication I need to. When he complains about too much information is time enough to adjust. If he's like most, he can ignore excess more easily than discover what's been omitted that might be relevant, helpful or possibly crucial to an optimal decision how best to proceed. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From cody.smith9202 at gmail.com Thu Nov 7 07:23:43 2013 From: cody.smith9202 at gmail.com (Cody Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 23:23:43 -0800 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <527B3CDF.4060003@earthlink.net> References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> <527A5F39.2070800@earthlink.net> <527B1BA8.9090804@iinet.net.au> <527B26C6.3070601@earthlink.net> <527B2F3B.9010507@iinet.net.au> <527B3CDF.4060003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Can we stop this pretty argument that is making everyone's email explode who are subscribed to this making list? I'm sure the original sender and everyone else would appreciate it. --c_smith On Nov 6, 2013 11:12 PM, "Felix Miata" wrote: > On 2013-11-07 17:12 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed: > > My suggestion was to create one 30GB partition for W7 which will do away >> with the need for a C partition and therefore contain *all* the space >> that W7 will require to install itself (and then some [space] for future >> use). >> > > Is this so difficult to understand and accept? >> > > You made a suggestion. I made a suggestion. Is this difficult to > understand and accept? KISS is fine, but knowledge of its consequences > shouldn't be summarily dismissed. My suggestion points out how the fastest > part of a HD might be better put to use than to allocate it to a secondary > operating system. > > What you fail to understand and appreciate is that there are any number >> of people reading this thread who may be totally inexperienced and >> otherwise known as "newbies". >> > > I do no such thing, and I'm authoring comments for thread participants, > not mere observers. > > Have YOU asked him in this thread what his experience is? No. >> > > Did I need to? I've read the thread in its entirety at least as far back > as his post archived at https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > archives/kubuntu-users/2013-October/058520.html and so far haven't seen > indication I need to. When he complains about too much information is time > enough to adjust. If he's like most, he can ignore excess more easily than > discover what's been omitted that might be relevant, helpful or possibly > crucial to an optimal decision how best to proceed. > -- > "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant > words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shadowm at wi.rr.com Thu Nov 7 13:49:42 2013 From: shadowm at wi.rr.com (Glenn Holmer) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 07:49:42 -0600 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: References: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> <2029786.AbIgKZYUgK@viaconsensus-iter> <527A3A05.7070207@iinet.net.au> <527A5F39.2070800@earthlink.net> <527B1BA8.9090804@iinet.net.au> <527B26C6.3070601@earthlink.net> <527B2F3B.9010507@iinet.net.au> <527B3CDF.4060003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <527B9A76.1080800@wi.rr.com> On 11/07/2013 01:23 AM, Cody Smith wrote: > Can we stop this pretty argument that is making everyone's email explode > who are subscribed to this making list? I'm sure the original sender and > everyone else would appreciate it. +1 Partitioning is an art, not a science. Do what works for you. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From shadowm at wi.rr.com Thu Nov 7 14:02:11 2013 From: shadowm at wi.rr.com (Glenn Holmer) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:02:11 -0600 Subject: / and swap sizing In-Reply-To: References: <526AAFE3.7010006@earthlink.net> <8572584.16nUMELzcq@allmine> Message-ID: <527B9D63.50804@wi.rr.com> On 11/06/2013 11:54 PM, Cody Smith wrote: > the max I use for swap is roughly 500mb more than the available ram > (I.E. 8gb RAM, 8.5GB swap), never seems to hurt to have a little more > swap than RAM, but yet, I have plenty of storage (1.5TB total), so I'm > not sure how doable that is in lower storage systems. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10678 -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From apachelogger at ubuntu.com Thu Nov 7 14:15:02 2013 From: apachelogger at ubuntu.com (Harald Sitter) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:15:02 +0100 Subject: Installing Kubuntu 13.10 on UEFI/SecureBoot Systems Message-ID: Regrettably Kubuntu 13.10 has problems configuring UEFI correctly, such that you will not be presented with a bootable system after installation [1]. To rectify the problem an update has been released and all bootable systems should automatically get repaired during the update process. To prevent this issue from appearing on newly installed systems please make sure the computer is connected to the internet and enable the option "Download updates while installing" on the "Prepare" page of the installer [2]. If no internet connection is available you can attempt a manual workaround that requires you to know how to use the terminal and mount command. Each UEFI system has a specific partition (formatted using the FAT filesystem) that contains the bootloaders. First you will have to find your system's EFI partition. It's usually best to simply mount all available partitions and check which one is the right one. The EFI partition will be rather small (only a couple hundred megabytes) and contain a folder called "EFI". Once you have found the EFI partition, copy the folder "EFI/kubuntu/" to "EFI/ubuntu/". That's all. After you booted into Kubuntu 13.10 it is advised to do a full upgrade as soon as possible. Meanwhile additional quality assurance measures have been introduced to ensure that future releases provide the best possible experience on UEFI/SecureBoot systems, starting with 14.04. [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1242417 [2] http://i.imgur.com/ELCMHUB.png HS for the Kubuntu Development Team From phb at hbsys.plus.com Thu Nov 7 17:51:00 2013 From: phb at hbsys.plus.com (Peter Hillier-Brook) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:51:00 +0000 Subject: Epson XP700 All-in-One and Linux drivers Message-ID: <527BD304.1070908@hbsys.plus.com> Hello lists, does anyone have any thoughts regarding suitable drivers (both printer and scanner) for the Epson XP700? I've performed a few searches and turned up zero results. A friend unfortunately bought the device before asking for advice and the only option I can see presently is for it to be returned as "not fit for purpose", although I'm not hopeful for success as Linux was not specified at the point of sale. Many thanks for any thoughts. Peter HB From msh at farsight-data.com Thu Nov 7 19:12:51 2013 From: msh at farsight-data.com (FarSight Data Systems) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:12:51 -0500 Subject: Epson XP700 All-in-One and Linux drivers In-Reply-To: <527BD304.1070908@hbsys.plus.com> References: <527BD304.1070908@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: <201311071412.51456.msh@farsight-data.com> I don't know about that specific device, but I've been using an Epson Workforce 520 all-in-one for a couple of years now and it's been a trooper. I had to use Avaysis (sic) drivers. You might find the same drivers will work for your device. Mark On Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:51:00 PM Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > Hello lists, > > does anyone have any thoughts regarding suitable drivers (both printer > and scanner) for the Epson XP700? I've performed a few searches and > turned up zero results. > > A friend unfortunately bought the device before asking for advice and > the only option I can see presently is for it to be returned as "not fit > for purpose", although I'm not hopeful for success as Linux was not > specified at the point of sale. > > Many thanks for any thoughts. > > Peter HB -- ------------------------ Mark S. Halegua 718-360-1712 917-686-8794 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From myriam at kubuntu.org Thu Nov 7 20:34:17 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 21:34:17 +0100 Subject: Epson XP700 All-in-One and Linux drivers In-Reply-To: <527BD304.1070908@hbsys.plus.com> References: <527BD304.1070908@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > Hello lists, > > does anyone have any thoughts regarding suitable drivers (both printer and > scanner) for the Epson XP700? I've performed a few searches and turned up > zero results. > > A friend unfortunately bought the device before asking for advice and the > only option I can see presently is for it to be returned as "not fit for > purpose", although I'm not hopeful for success as Linux was not specified at > the point of sale. That shouldn't be a problem, please refer to this page: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-XP-700_Series Please always refer to that page for any printer drivers, as it is the only up-to-date resource out there, and the Linux Foundation keeps it updated regularly. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From phb at hbsys.plus.com Thu Nov 7 21:50:42 2013 From: phb at hbsys.plus.com (Peter Hillier-Brook) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 21:50:42 +0000 Subject: Epson XP700 All-in-One and Linux drivers In-Reply-To: References: <527BD304.1070908@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: <527C0B32.90907@hbsys.plus.com> On 07/11/13 20:34, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: >> Hello lists, >> >> does anyone have any thoughts regarding suitable drivers (both printer and >> scanner) for the Epson XP700? I've performed a few searches and turned up >> zero results. >> >> A friend unfortunately bought the device before asking for advice and the >> only option I can see presently is for it to be returned as "not fit for >> purpose", although I'm not hopeful for success as Linux was not specified at >> the point of sale. > > That shouldn't be a problem, please refer to this page: > > http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-XP-700_Series > > > Please always refer to that page for any printer drivers, as it is the > only up-to-date resource out there, and the Linux Foundation keeps it > updated regularly. > > > Regards, Myriam > Thanks, Myriam. My searching ability is obviously not what it was. :-) Regards Peter From zakiakhmad at gmail.com Fri Nov 8 05:45:58 2013 From: zakiakhmad at gmail.com (Zaki Akhmad) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:45:58 +0700 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 Can't Connect to IPad Message-ID: Hello, I am using kubuntu 13.10. I can't get my kubuntu connected to my IPad which is using iOS 7 The IPad keeps asking whether to trust or don't trust. Any advice will be very appreciated. Thank you, -- Zaki Akhmad From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Nov 8 06:25:53 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 07:25:53 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 Can't Connect to IPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Zaki, On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Zaki Akhmad wrote: > Hello, > > I am using kubuntu 13.10. I can't get my kubuntu connected to my IPad > which is using iOS 7 > > The IPad keeps asking whether to trust or don't trust. > > Any advice will be very appreciated. This is a known bug for iOS 7 devices: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libimobiledevice/+bug/1215098 You would be better off with an Android based tablet, Apple is known not to work well with anything non-iOS. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From blchupin at iinet.net.au Fri Nov 8 06:39:18 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:39:18 +1100 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 Can't Connect to IPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <527C8716.1090808@iinet.net.au> On 08/11/13 17:25, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Zaki, > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Zaki Akhmad wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am using kubuntu 13.10. I can't get my kubuntu connected to my IPad >> which is using iOS 7 >> >> The IPad keeps asking whether to trust or don't trust. >> >> Any advice will be very appreciated. > This is a known bug for iOS 7 devices: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libimobiledevice/+bug/1215098 > > You would be better off with an Android based tablet, Apple is known > not to work well with anything non-iOS. > > > Regards, Myriam Bought my wife a Samsung tablet a couple of weeks ago with the Android system. It connected to our System X in less than a blink of an eye lid. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From blchupin at iinet.net.au Fri Nov 8 06:50:28 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:50:28 +1100 Subject: Intersting....... In-Reply-To: References: <527B3371.6020003@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <527C89B4.4040706@iinet.net.au> On 07/11/13 17:54, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> A copy of a post which refuses to be posted in this list: >> >> On 07/11/13 01:44, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>> Hi Basil, >>> >>> >>> We have a little problem here, as, despite what you say, you are >>> advertising an different distribution as the kubuntu-users mailing >>> list is about. >>> >>> What distribution you use is your choice, but please abstain from >>> giving any advice or mention of a different one, as that would be >>> totally off topic. >>> >>> Similarly, please keep private chatter out of the list. If you want to >>> find out where somebody lives, this is not matter for this mailing >>> list, you can drop them a private mail. >>> >>> >>> Thanks in advance for respecting the rules. >>> >>> >>> Regards, Myriam >> I responded to the above message some 20+ minutes ago but my response has >> not reached this list. >> >> But other posts I made following my response to the above did make it to >> this list. >> >> Fascinating, intriguing and puzzling to say the least....... >> >> BC >> >> >> ADDENDUM: the time mentioned in the above message is now "1hour+ ago" and >> not "some 20+ minutes". > *sigh* you should have checked again, this was a private mail... > > > Regards, Myriam OK, but was there any need to send private mail to begin with? Just asking. (I'll have to refine my filter in Thunderbird because if it sees "kubuntu" it throws mail to 'kubuntu-users' And I didn't know about the social divide between the riff-raff who use the list [kubuntu-users] and those who own it [kubuntu-users-owner] :-) . Every day is a learning experience!) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From zakiakhmad at gmail.com Fri Nov 8 07:14:21 2013 From: zakiakhmad at gmail.com (Zaki Akhmad) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:14:21 +0700 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 Can't Connect to IPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > This is a known bug for iOS 7 devices: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libimobiledevice/+bug/1215098 > > You would be better off with an Android based tablet, Apple is known > not to work well with anything non-iOS. Hi Myriam, I thought this Kubuntu 13.10 bug. And now I remembered, last successful file transfer from IPad to Kubuntu I did was on iOS 6. Thank you, -- Zaki Akhmad From clay at claydoh.com Fri Nov 8 22:16:54 2013 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:16:54 -0500 Subject: kubutnu-users-owner (was Re: Intersting.......) In-Reply-To: <527C89B4.4040706@iinet.net.au> References: <527B3371.6020003@iinet.net.au> <527C89B4.4040706@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <2096016.KNmGNBOzm0@lark-latitude-d630> On Friday, November 08, 2013 05:50:28 PM Basil Chupin wrote: > OK, but was there any need to send private mail to begin with? > > Just asking. Sure! Isn't it more polite or proper to keep such things off the list itself? > > (I'll have to refine my filter in Thunderbird because if it sees > "kubuntu" it throws mail to 'kubuntu-users' > > And I didn't know about the social divide between the riff-raff who use > the list [kubuntu-users] and those who own it [kubuntu-users-owner] :-) . I lol'd at that :) list-owner is simply an email for list *admin* messages and the like, such as spam, subscription/unsub, errors, and other notifications. It is also a handy way to help inform someone that the message is from a list admin, instead of someone the recipient may not know. All simple and above board, actually. And I am still riff-raff most of the time, especially when I dance the Time Warp :p (I am using the list and my own email as I am not at my own computer at the moment and can't recall the credentials.) > > Every day is a learning experience!) > > BC -- Clay Weber (claydoh) one of your handy dandy list admin/mods http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Nov 10 05:21:30 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 16:21:30 +1100 Subject: kubutnu-users-owner (was Re: Intersting.......) In-Reply-To: <2096016.KNmGNBOzm0@lark-latitude-d630> References: <527B3371.6020003@iinet.net.au> <527C89B4.4040706@iinet.net.au> <2096016.KNmGNBOzm0@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: <527F17DA.5040803@iinet.net.au> On 09/11/13 09:16, Clay Weber wrote: > > On Friday, November 08, 2013 05:50:28 PM Basil Chupin wrote: > > > OK, but was there any need to send private mail to begin with? > > > > > > Just asking. > > Sure! Isn't it more polite or proper to keep such things off the list > itself? > If the post was really meant as a private, "in your ear whisper", message about a most serious matter then I wouldn't have made my comment. But the post was also cross-posted to what I now found out was the private moderator mail list which, therefore, advised them, basically, "This is what I have just sent this person to put him in his place. Watch out for his future behaviour and we can then put him on the "To be Moderated list if he doesn't behave or bar him from the list". Just a couple of comments here. If I send a private message to someone relating to a matter mentioned in a thread I will start my message with words which indicate in no doubt that I am sending a private, off the list, message - and if anyone has any idea of netiquette then they will know that the contents of the message cannot be made public without the sender's approval. The second comment is that I will answer public messages publicly and private messages privately. > > > > > (I'll have to refine my filter in Thunderbird because if it sees > > > "kubuntu" it throws mail to 'kubuntu-users' > > > > > > And I didn't know about the social divide between the riff-raff who use > > > the list [kubuntu-users] and those who own it [kubuntu-users-owner] > :-) . > > I lol'd at that :) > > list-owner is simply an email for list *admin* messages and the like, > such as spam, subscription/unsub, errors, and other notifications. It > is also a handy way to help inform someone that the message is from a > list admin, instead of someone the recipient may not know. > Then change the name to something along the lines of "admin" and not "owners". > All simple and above board, actually. And I am still riff-raff most of > the time, especially when I dance the Time Warp :p > > (I am using the list and my own email as I am not at my own computer > at the moment and can't recall the credentials.) > I take it from this that you are using it now as one of us plebs, right? :-) And I therefore salute you!:-) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From clay at claydoh.com Sun Nov 10 06:42:20 2013 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 01:42:20 -0500 Subject: kubutnu-users-owner (was Re: Intersting.......) In-Reply-To: <527F17DA.5040803@iinet.net.au> References: <527B3371.6020003@iinet.net.au> <2096016.KNmGNBOzm0@lark-latitude-d630> <527F17DA.5040803@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <1628942.gSDSOsEdZJ@lark-latitude-d630> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 04:21:30 PM Basil Chupin wrote: > On 09/11/13 09:16, Clay Weber wrote: > > On Friday, November 08, 2013 05:50:28 PM Basil Chupin wrote: > > > OK, but was there any need to send private mail to begin with? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just asking. > > > > Sure! Isn't it more polite or proper to keep such things off the list > > itself? > > If the post was really meant as a private, "in your ear whisper", > message about a most serious matter then I wouldn't have made my comment. > > But the post was also cross-posted to what I now found out was the > private moderator mail list which, therefore, advised them, basically, > "This is what I have just sent this person to put him in his place. > Watch out for his future behaviour and we can then put him on the "To be > Moderated list if he doesn't behave or bar him from the list". This is a gross overreaction, and nowhere near reality. Moderating, let alone banning users is an extreme that is, well, an extreme rarity. > Just a couple of comments here. If I send a private message to someone > relating to a matter mentioned in a thread I will start my message with > words which indicate in no doubt that I am sending a private, off the > list, message I can agree with this. > and if anyone has any idea of netiquette then they will > know that the contents of the message cannot be made public without the > sender's approval. > > The second comment is that I will answer public messages publicly and > private messages privately. > > > > (I'll have to refine my filter in Thunderbird because if it sees > > > > > > "kubuntu" it throws mail to 'kubuntu-users' > > > > > > > > > > > > And I didn't know about the social divide between the riff-raff who use > > > > > > the list [kubuntu-users] and those who own it [kubuntu-users-owner] > > : > > :-) . > > > > I lol'd at that :) > > > > list-owner is simply an email for list *admin* messages and the like, > > such as spam, subscription/unsub, errors, and other notifications. It > > is also a handy way to help inform someone that the message is from a > > list admin, instead of someone the recipient may not know. > > Then change the name to something along the lines of "admin" and not > "owners". > > > All simple and above board, actually. And I am still riff-raff most of > > the time, especially when I dance the Time Warp :p > > > > (I am using the list and my own email as I am not at my own computer > > at the moment and can't recall the credentials.) > > I take it from this that you are using it now as one of us plebs, right? I have never *not* been one, believe it or not. Same for Myriam. > > :-) And I therefore salute you!:-) And I salute you back :) Now, I am off to give my lady in NSW a ring. It's half past one in the morning here; I think I should have done that before attending to emails, lol! > > BC -- Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Nov 10 07:49:02 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:49:02 +1100 Subject: kubutnu-users-owner (was Re: Intersting.......) In-Reply-To: <1628942.gSDSOsEdZJ@lark-latitude-d630> References: <527B3371.6020003@iinet.net.au> <2096016.KNmGNBOzm0@lark-latitude-d630> <527F17DA.5040803@iinet.net.au> <1628942.gSDSOsEdZJ@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: <527F3A6E.9000209@iinet.net.au> On 10/11/13 17:42, Clay Weber wrote: *WARNING!* *WARNING!* *WARNING!* Corresponding with me publicly in this list may be injurious to your health! (I have been, ~several minutes ago, MODERATED in the Ubuntu list, for being "A very naughty boy!"[#]) *WARNING!* *WARNING!* *WARNING!* > On Sunday, November 10, 2013 04:21:30 PM Basil Chupin wrote: > > > On 09/11/13 09:16, Clay Weber wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 08, 2013 05:50:28 PM Basil Chupin wrote: > > > > > OK, but was there any need to send private mail to begin with? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just asking. > > > > > > > > Sure! Isn't it more polite or proper to keep such things off the list > > > > itself? > > > > > > If the post was really meant as a private, "in your ear whisper", > > > message about a most serious matter then I wouldn't have made my > comment. > > > > > > But the post was also cross-posted to what I now found out was the > > > private moderator mail list which, therefore, advised them, basically, > > > "This is what I have just sent this person to put him in his place. > > > Watch out for his future behaviour and we can then put him on the "To be > > > Moderated list if he doesn't behave or bar him from the list". > > This is a gross overreaction, and nowhere near reality. Moderating, > let alone banning users is an extreme that is, well, an extreme rarity. > Yeah, OK, all right already...... "is an extreme"... "'Extreme' is in the eye of the beholder.'" :-) > > Just a couple of comments here. If I send a private message to someone > > > relating to a matter mentioned in a thread I will start my message with > > > words which indicate in no doubt that I am sending a private, off the > > > list, message > > I can agree with this. > A breath of fresh air is ever so nice...... > > and if anyone has any idea of netiquette then they will > > > know that the contents of the message cannot be made public without the > > > sender's approval. > > > > > > The second comment is that I will answer public messages publicly and > > > private messages privately. > > > > > > > > (I'll have to refine my filter in Thunderbird because if it sees > > > > > > > > > > "kubuntu" it throws mail to 'kubuntu-users' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I didn't know about the social divide between the riff-raff > who use > > > > > > > > > > the list [kubuntu-users] and those who own it [kubuntu-users-owner] > > > > : > > > > :-) . > > > > > > > > I lol'd at that :) > > > > > > > > list-owner is simply an email for list *admin* messages and the like, > > > > such as spam, subscription/unsub, errors, and other notifications. It > > > > is also a handy way to help inform someone that the message is from a > > > > list admin, instead of someone the recipient may not know. > > > > > > Then change the name to something along the lines of "admin" and not > > > "owners". > > > > > > > All simple and above board, actually. And I am still riff-raff most of > > > > the time, especially when I dance the Time Warp :p > > > > > > > > (I am using the list and my own email as I am not at my own computer > > > > at the moment and can't recall the credentials.) > > > > > > I take it from this that you are using it now as one of us plebs, right? > > I have never *not* been one, believe it or not. Same for Myriam. > Noted.... > > > > > :-) And I therefore salute you!:-) > > And I salute you back :) > We can go on like this for a long time...... But this must stop otherwise there are those who may become very suspicious, you know........ > Now, I am off to give my lady in NSW a ring. It's half past one in the > morning here; I think I should have done that before attending to > emails, lol! > Oh dear! You ARE in trouble! Hope you survive - or at least recover with all faculties still functioning adequately from the verbal bruising! :-) [#] "Life of Brian", Monty Python, 1979. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From robert at capuchin.co.uk Sun Nov 10 20:22:45 2013 From: robert at capuchin.co.uk (Robert Marshall) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:22:45 +0000 Subject: Device notifier, CDs and 13.10 Message-ID: <874n7kf1m2.fsf@capuchin.co.uk> I've recently upgraded to 13.10 and am no longer seeing the device notifier pick up when a cd has been inserted - just says 'No devices available' - is this just me or is there a general problem? If I open k3b that sees the cd correctly and its tracks, amarok doesn't see it at all - maybe it's more closely tied to the notifier? Robert -- La grenouille songe..dans son château d'eau Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Nov 11 02:28:48 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:28:48 -0500 Subject: kubutnu-users-owner (was Re: Intersting.......) In-Reply-To: <527F3A6E.9000209@iinet.net.au> References: <527B3371.6020003@iinet.net.au> <1628942.gSDSOsEdZJ@lark-latitude-d630> <527F3A6E.9000209@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <1406461.zGBmdDGga4@linux1> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 06:49:02 PM Basil Chupin wrote: > On 10/11/13 17:42, Clay Weber wrote: > > *WARNING!* *WARNING!* *WARNING!* > > Corresponding with me publicly in this list may be injurious to your health! > > (I have been, ~several minutes ago, MODERATED in the Ubuntu list, for > being "A very naughty boy!"[#]) > > *WARNING!* *WARNING!* *WARNING!* Methinks you doth protest too much... (and get your nose bent as well) -- "You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stopped laughing." From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Mon Nov 11 02:34:37 2013 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:34:37 +0700 Subject: kubutnu-users-owner (was Re: Intersting.......) In-Reply-To: <1406461.zGBmdDGga4@linux1> References: <527B3371.6020003@iinet.net.au> <1628942.gSDSOsEdZJ@lark-latitude-d630> <527F3A6E.9000209@iinet.net.au> <1406461.zGBmdDGga4@linux1> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> >> *WARNING!* *WARNING!* *WARNING!* >> >> Corresponding with me publicly in this list may be injurious to your health! >> >> (I have been, ~several minutes ago, MODERATED in the Ubuntu list, for >> being "A very naughty boy!"[#]) >> >> *WARNING!* *WARNING!* *WARNING!* > > Methinks you doth protest too much... (and get your nose bent as well) Right, please keep conversation related to kubuntu or at least linux (I think it is still acceptable), and send others directly to intended person. DK From oub at mat.ucm.es Wed Nov 13 11:44:26 2013 From: oub at mat.ucm.es (Uwe Brauer) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:44:26 +0100 Subject: resize jfs, gparted and swap, problems Message-ID: <87r4ak5xwl.fsf@gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es> Hello I am running Kubuntu 10.04 and recently a doubled my RAM, so I thought to double my swap partition since I hibernate quite a lot. Kubuntu is running on an extended partition, one part is for the whole file system running jfs, the other is the swap partition: /dev/sda5 6494 29915 188130568+ 83 Linux /dev/sda6 29915 30401 3908488+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris So I boot a live CD, make sure that neither /dev/sda5 nor /dev/sda6 are mounted, swap is turned off, and I run gparted. I cannot resize /dev/sda5. Is this the fault of gparted or jfs is not designed this way. Any comments? thanks Uwe Brauer From kaj at haulrich.net Wed Nov 13 12:29:19 2013 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:29:19 +0100 Subject: resize jfs, gparted and swap, problems In-Reply-To: <87r4ak5xwl.fsf@gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es> References: <87r4ak5xwl.fsf@gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es> Message-ID: <5283709F.3050403@haulrich.net> On 11/13/2013 12:44 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote: > Hello > > I am running Kubuntu 10.04 and recently a doubled my RAM, so I thought > to double my swap partition since I hibernate quite a lot. > > Kubuntu is running on an extended partition, one part is for the whole > file system running jfs, the other is the swap partition: > /dev/sda5 6494 29915 188130568+ 83 Linux > /dev/sda6 29915 30401 3908488+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris > > So I boot a live CD, make sure that neither /dev/sda5 nor /dev/sda6 are > mounted, swap is turned off, and I run gparted. > > I cannot resize /dev/sda5. > > Is this the fault of gparted or jfs is not designed this way. > > Any comments? As far as I know, gparted needs to use swap in order to resize partitions, so why not try to enable swap while resizing? Kaj Haulrich. -- --- Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer--- --- Running Linux Kubuntu 14.04 Trusty Tahr-- From theuteck at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 02:00:18 2013 From: theuteck at gmail.com (theuteck at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:00:18 -0600 Subject: resize jfs, gparted and swap, problems In-Reply-To: <87r4ak5xwl.fsf@gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es> References: <87r4ak5xwl.fsf@gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es> Message-ID: <2270717.Wyl1THeW81@allmine> A search shows that jfs cannot be shrunk in Linux. On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:44:26 PM Uwe Brauer wrote: > Hello > > I am running Kubuntu 10.04 and recently a doubled my RAM, so I thought > to double my swap partition since I hibernate quite a lot. > > Kubuntu is running on an extended partition, one part is for the whole > file system running jfs, the other is the swap partition: > /dev/sda5 6494 29915 188130568+ 83 Linux > /dev/sda6 29915 30401 3908488+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris > > So I boot a live CD, make sure that neither /dev/sda5 nor /dev/sda6 are > mounted, swap is turned off, and I run gparted. > > I cannot resize /dev/sda5. > > Is this the fault of gparted or jfs is not designed this way. > > Any comments? > > thanks > > Uwe Brauer From shadowm at wi.rr.com Thu Nov 14 13:53:53 2013 From: shadowm at wi.rr.com (Glenn Holmer) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:53:53 -0600 Subject: resize jfs, gparted and swap, problems In-Reply-To: <5283709F.3050403@haulrich.net> References: <87r4ak5xwl.fsf@gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es> <5283709F.3050403@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <5284D5F1.1020505@wi.rr.com> On 11/13/2013 06:29 AM, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > As far as I know, gparted needs to use swap in order to resize > partitions Where did you read that? -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Thu Nov 14 16:51:03 2013 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:51:03 -0500 Subject: resize jfs, gparted and swap, problems In-Reply-To: <5284D5F1.1020505@wi.rr.com> References: <87r4ak5xwl.fsf@gilgamesch.quim.ucm.es> <5283709F.3050403@haulrich.net> <5284D5F1.1020505@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <5284FF77.7090602@optonline.net> On 11/14/2013 08:53 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 11/13/2013 06:29 AM, Kaj Haulrich wrote: >> As far as I know, gparted needs to use swap in order to resize >> partitions > > Where did you read that? > Absolutely not true! I have just done that in the last couple of days-- turned swap off and resized and moved some partitions. If you leave swap on, you won't be able to move swap, which you may need to do! --doug From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Nov 19 13:21:45 2013 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:21:45 +0100 Subject: Scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Douglas, considering the out-of-the-box compatibility with Linux, I suggest you to buy an HP Scanner. I have a Multifuction (C/S/P), C5180, and HLIP software and XSane Scanner (the best I found) works quite well with it. Regards, Valter 2013/11/4 Knapp > I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to fight > against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! > PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > Creative Commons Film Group, Helping people make open source movies > with open source software! > http://douglas.bespin.org/CommonsFilmGroup/phpBB3/index.php > > Massage in Gelsenkirchen-Buer: > http://douglas.bespin.org/tcm/ztab1.htm > Please link to me and trade links with me! > > Open Source Sci-Fi mmoRPG Game project. > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > http://code.google.com/p/perspectiveproject/ > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Valter *Open Source is better!* KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Tue Nov 19 17:22:39 2013 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:22:39 -0500 Subject: Scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <528B9E5F.70805@optonline.net> On 11/19/2013 08:21 AM, Valter Mura wrote: > Hi Douglas, > > considering the out-of-the-box compatibility with Linux, I suggest you > to buy an HP Scanner. > > I have a Multifuction (C/S/P), C5180, and HLIP software and XSane > Scanner (the best I found) works quite well with it. > > Regards, > Valter > > > 2013/11/4 Knapp > > > I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to > fight against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! > PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > I have an Epson stand-alone scanner, and an Epson all-in-one printer that does scanning. The stand-alone is Epson Perfection V300 Photo. The printer is WP-4530. Both of them work perfectly with X-Sane as a scan app. XSane works very well with these. If you have both connected, it will give you the choice. I've had the stand-alone scanner for a number of years, so I don't know if it's still available. Epson products work well in Linux, and there are driver downloads for their products, even tho they "don't support Linux"--or that's what you'll hear if you call them up. I don't have any financial interest in Epson--it's just good hardware! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley From mdhirsch at gmail.com Tue Nov 19 23:40:47 2013 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:40:47 -0700 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? In-Reply-To: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> References: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: Looking at the startup scripts, it looks to me like kdm is designed to do just that. in /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc there is a stanza that is labeled [X-:0-Core]. I think if you add another one labeled [X-:1-Core] you can get a second one. You'll want to change it from the defaults, especially #ServerVT=7 should be uncommented and changed to, say, 8. Make sure that you are using kdm. My system defaults to lightdm. Change this in /etc/X11/default-display-manager Michael On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > Kubuntu seems to execute a more-than-usually complex (or at least a > different-from-what-I-am-used-to) set of scripts/programs during the boot > process. As a result, even after quite a bit of digging around, I still > don't > understand it all properly. > > Normally, once booting is completed, one has a graphical interface with a > login screen (created, I think, by lightdm) on terminal #7. > > How do I create, at boot time, another login screen on terminal #8? > > Doc > > -- > Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joelol75 at verizon.net Wed Nov 20 08:22:20 2013 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 03:22:20 -0500 Subject: Q: starting second graphical interface at boot? In-Reply-To: References: <527582F1.5010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: sudo apt-get install kdm It should ask you (ncurses style) to pick a default display manager but wont if kdm was already installed on that case: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm # can be lightdm...doesnt matter. Then arrow down and select kdm then tab / enter. Good luck! I had a hard time getting xbmc running on a seperate plainjane X session on a seperate video card and route only that apps sound through a seperate sound card. Gets me thinking of if I could be able to switch and see xbmc on the primary monitor as well as the TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a.mario.listas at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 10:55:19 2013 From: a.mario.listas at gmail.com (Antonio Mario Molina =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Saor=EDn?=) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:55:19 +0100 Subject: Scanners. In-Reply-To: <528B9E5F.70805@optonline.net> References: <528B9E5F.70805@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20131120115519.ceccb8a61fd0a79fce69855d@gmail.com> Hi! I'm using a Samsung SCX multifunction printer connected directly to the network. It's supported by suld-driver: Samsung Unified Linux Driver (formerly known as samsung-mfp-driver, I think). You can check if a model is supported here: http://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/supported.html. I can use the multifunction as a printer and as a scanner. I works perfectly ;-) I hope this will help you. Regards. On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:22:39 -0500 Doug wrote: > On 11/19/2013 08:21 AM, Valter Mura wrote: > > Hi Douglas, > > > > considering the out-of-the-box compatibility with Linux, I suggest you > > to buy an HP Scanner. > > > > I have a Multifuction (C/S/P), C5180, and HLIP software and XSane > > Scanner (the best I found) works quite well with it. > > > > Regards, > > Valter > > > > > > 2013/11/4 Knapp > > > > > I am looking for a good scanner. One that works without havinvg to > > fight against linux problems. Do you konw of any? Thanks! > > PS Price about 50-80 euros and I am in Germany. > > > > -- > > Douglas E Knapp > > > > > > I have an Epson stand-alone scanner, and an Epson all-in-one printer > that does scanning. The stand-alone is Epson Perfection V300 Photo. > The printer is WP-4530. Both of them work perfectly with X-Sane as > a scan app. XSane works very well with these. If you have both > connected, it will give you the choice. I've had the stand-alone scanner > for a number of years, so I don't know if it's still available. Epson > products work well in Linux, and there are driver downloads for their > products, even tho they "don't support Linux"--or that's what you'll > hear if you call them up. > I don't have any financial interest in Epson--it's just good hardware! > > --doug > > -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both > sides. --A.M.Greeley > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Antonio Mario Molina Saorín web: antonio-mario.com twitter: @a_mario_molina From kubuntu at appjaws.plus.com Wed Nov 20 16:29:39 2013 From: kubuntu at appjaws.plus.com (kubuntu) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:29:39 +0000 Subject: Do I really need a swap file Message-ID: <528CE373.1020404@appjaws.plus.com> Hi all, I am building a new machine and am thinking about disc layout and would like your thought on the following:- 1 I will have 32GB memory so do I need a swap file? 2 I will be dual booting with windows 7 and wish to play my music mp3 files in both operating environments. Would it be best to have the mp3 files on a ntfs formated disc and then mount the disc on both systems. Thank you for any help Paul -- ---This message has been sent using Thunderbird on kubuntu--- From cody.smith9202 at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 17:24:52 2013 From: cody.smith9202 at gmail.com (Cody Smith) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:24:52 -0800 Subject: Do I really need a swap file In-Reply-To: <528CE373.1020404@appjaws.plus.com> References: <528CE373.1020404@appjaws.plus.com> Message-ID: If you intend to use the hibernate function, then yes, a swap area is needed, otherwise hibernate will essentially act as a shutdown mechanism. swap is also recommended just in case your computer needs it (even with 32GB ram) --c_smith On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:29 AM, kubuntu wrote: > Hi all, > I am building a new machine and am thinking about disc layout and would > like your thought on the following:- > 1 I will have 32GB memory so do I need a swap file? > 2 I will be dual booting with windows 7 and wish to play my music > mp3 files in both operating environments. Would it be best to have the mp3 > files on a ntfs formated disc and then mount the disc on both systems. > > Thank you for any help > Paul > -- > ---This message has been sent using Thunderbird on kubuntu--- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xintx.ua at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 18:20:17 2013 From: xintx.ua at gmail.com (int_ua) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:20:17 +0200 Subject: Do I really need a swap file In-Reply-To: References: <528CE373.1020404@appjaws.plus.com> Message-ID: I use my netbook with 2G of RAM + 0 swap partitions without any [memory-related] problems for years now. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Wed Nov 20 22:17:52 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:17:52 -0500 Subject: Do I really need a swap file In-Reply-To: <528CE373.1020404@appjaws.plus.com> References: <528CE373.1020404@appjaws.plus.com> Message-ID: <528D3510.5080202@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-20 16:29 (GMT) kubuntu composed: > I am building a new machine and am thinking about disc layout and would > like your thought on the following:- > 1 I will have 32GB memory so do I need a swap file? > 2 I will be dual booting with windows 7 and wish to play my music mp3 > files in both operating environments. Would it be best to have the mp3 > files on a ntfs formated disc and then mount the disc on both systems. > Thank you for any help From https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2013-November/058687.html here less than two weeks ago: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10678 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From volkangezer at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 22:44:39 2013 From: volkangezer at gmail.com (Volkan Gezer) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 23:44:39 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu hangs/freezes during Hangout call Message-ID: Hello, KDE works fine in daily usage, but after making call using Google Hangout for 1 hour or so, it starts freezing for some seconds. The only thing I can do is using the mouse, everything freezes (sound, hangout, chromium, panel etc.). I tried to change scheduling settings, but it did not help. Also pressing other keys to switch into other TTYs don't work. What else can I do? I am using Kubuntu 13.10 x64 with KDE 4.11.3 Thanks, Best regards, Volkan GEZER volkangezer at gmail.com From kubuntu at appjaws.plus.com Sat Nov 23 08:30:58 2013 From: kubuntu at appjaws.plus.com (kubuntu) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 08:30:58 +0000 Subject: Directory and files with read write for both kubuntu and windows Message-ID: <529067C2.2090502@appjaws.plus.com> Hi all, I will be dual booting with windows 7 and wish to play my music mp3 files in both operating environments. Would it be best to have the mp3 files on a ntfs formated disc and then mount the disc on both systems. Would this cause any problems? Is there a better way of having a directory and files available for read and write for both kubuntu and windows 7? Thank you for any help Paul -- ---This message has been sent using Thunderbird on kubuntu--- From kubuntu at appjaws.plus.com Sat Nov 23 08:33:05 2013 From: kubuntu at appjaws.plus.com (kubuntu) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 08:33:05 +0000 Subject: Do I really need a swap file In-Reply-To: <528D3510.5080202@earthlink.net> References: <528CE373.1020404@appjaws.plus.com> <528D3510.5080202@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <52906841.3000306@appjaws.plus.com> On 20/11/13 22:17, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-11-20 16:29 (GMT) kubuntu composed: > >> I am building a new machine and am thinking about disc layout and would >> like your thought on the following:- >> 1 I will have 32GB memory so do I need a swap file? > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2013-November/058687.html here > less than two weeks ago: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10678 Thank you all for the links and advice, very helpful Paul -- ---This message has been sent using Thunderbird on kubuntu--- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Nov 23 08:37:57 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:37:57 +0200 Subject: Directory and files with read write for both kubuntu and windows In-Reply-To: <529067C2.2090502@appjaws.plus.com> References: <529067C2.2090502@appjaws.plus.com> Message-ID: <52906965.8080905@gmail.com> On 11/23/2013 10:30 AM, kubuntu wrote: > Hi all, > I will be dual booting with windows 7 and wish to play my music mp3 > files in both operating environments. Would it be best to have the mp3 > files on a ntfs formated disc and then mount the disc on both systems. > Would this cause any problems? > Is there a better way of having a directory and files available for read > and write for both kubuntu and windows 7? > > Thank you for any help > Paul try an extfs driver for Windows so you can access you music directory under linux from your Windows install: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd/ From tuxmario.detreb at gmail.com Sat Nov 23 08:56:23 2013 From: tuxmario.detreb at gmail.com (TuxMario DeTreb) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:56:23 +0100 Subject: Directory and files with read write for both kubuntu and windows In-Reply-To: <529067C2.2090502@appjaws.plus.com> References: <529067C2.2090502@appjaws.plus.com> Message-ID: <52906DB7.1030905@gmail.com> Hello Paul I'm not a specialist but your solution looks for me the right one and the better one. I already mounted NTFS devices in R/W mode on my Kubuntu without any problem. (I don't use Windows system but NTFS is Windows option) TuxMario Le 23/11/2013 09:30, kubuntu a écrit : > Hi all, > I will be dual booting with windows 7 and wish to play my music > mp3 files in both operating environments. Would it be best to have > the mp3 files on a ntfs formated disc and then mount the disc on both > systems. > Would this cause any problems? > Is there a better way of having a directory and files available for > read and write for both kubuntu and windows 7? > > Thank you for any help > Paul From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Nov 23 12:37:29 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 13:37:29 +0100 Subject: Directory and files with read write for both kubuntu and windows In-Reply-To: <52906965.8080905@gmail.com> References: <529067C2.2090502@appjaws.plus.com> <52906965.8080905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4071906.X7tFrlYfep@saucy> Hi, I'm new to this list. On Saturday 23 November 2013 10:37:57 O. Sinclair wrote: > On 11/23/2013 10:30 AM, kubuntu wrote: > > I will be dual booting with windows 7 and wish to play my music mp3 > > files in both operating environments. Would it be best to have the mp3 > > files on a ntfs formated disc and then mount the disc on both systems. > > Would this cause any problems? > > try an extfs driver for Windows so you can access you music directory > under linux from your Windows install +1 and in addition it doesn't harm to have a FAT partition to share files from all kinds of computers. Sharing a NTFS partition shouldn't cause issues. Sharing ext2 and FAT also shouldn't cause issues. Regards, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Nov 23 12:46:27 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 13:46:27 +0100 Subject: Directory and files with read write for both kubuntu and windows In-Reply-To: <52906DB7.1030905@gmail.com> References: <529067C2.2090502@appjaws.plus.com> <52906DB7.1030905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13214067.uQfWFlrDeQ@saucy> On Saturday 23 November 2013 09:56:23 TuxMario DeTreb wrote: > I don't use Windows system but NTFS is Windows option Yes, but FAT is also a Microsoft FS and it's more often used for sharing files. Older Microsoft OS and other computers likely don't provide NTFS. USB sticks by default usually are formatted with FAT. Regards, Ralf From mrmazda at earthlink.net Sat Nov 23 14:39:42 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:39:42 -0500 Subject: Directory and files with read write for both kubuntu and windows In-Reply-To: <4071906.X7tFrlYfep@saucy> References: <529067C2.2090502@appjaws.plus.com> <52906965.8080905@gmail.com> <4071906.X7tFrlYfep@saucy> Message-ID: <5290BE2E.2040902@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-23 13:37 (GMT+0100) Ralf Mardorf composed: > Sinclair wrote: >> kubuntu wrote: >> > I will be dual booting with windows 7 and wish to play my music mp3 >> > files in both operating environments. Would it be best to have the mp3 >> > files on a ntfs formated disc and then mount the disc on both systems. >> > Would this cause any problems? >> try an extfs driver for Windows so you can access you music directory >> under linux from your Windows install > +1 > and in addition it doesn't harm to have a FAT partition to share files from all > kinds of computers. Sharing a NTFS partition shouldn't cause issues. Sharing > ext2 and FAT also shouldn't cause issues. FAT very well could create issues if extending the sharing to video files. FAT has a file size limit that HD video files not infrequently exceed. Having a media files library split across both FAT and NTFS and/or EXT2 partitions can be a headache, or worse. You might want to consider avoiding the which filesystem decision and potential headaches by keeping the library on a NAS box using RAID, which would be immune from any OS reinstallations that want to reformat. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From basroufs at gmail.com Mon Nov 25 18:37:03 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs in English) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:37:03 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <52806474.3020000@iinet.net.au> References: <1713309.XNh8Hi1Of6@viaconsensus-iter> <52806474.3020000@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <2078909.lBvqP4Ismz@viaconsensus-iter> Hello Everybody Today, I have been partitioning my 'HP Pavilion dm 1' via GParted in the way summarised below. This machine is from 2011 and came with Win7, so without UEFI issue. In a few days from now, I want to install there my main system Kubuntu 13.10 and a secondary OS, Windows 7 - however, according to suggestions throughout the internet, I need to install Windows first. Soon afterwords, I want to install Kubuntu 12.04 LTS at a third partition: as a kind of fall back/ reserve system. In later stages, I will install OpenSuse 13.1 and Kubuntu 14.04 RC: also as secondary systems. But before proceeding, I want to check a few details. That's why, I summarise the way I have partitioned my HP. ============================================================= Multi boot partitions (Via -amongst others- GParted at System Rescue CD. ============================================================= ============================================== Partition - File System - Label - Size GB/GiB ============================================== sda1, primary partition - ext4 - Bootloader - 1 GB/ 0.93 GiB sda2, primary partition - ntfs - Win7 - 30GB/27.9 GiB sda3, primary partition - ext4 - Kubuntu13.10 - 30GB/27.9 GiB. sda4 - extended partition. sda5, logical partition - linux swap - swap - 4GB/ 3,7 GiB sda6, logical partition - ext4 - Kubuntu12.04 - 30GB/27.9 GiB sda7 - ext4 - OpenSuse13.1 - 30GB/27.9 GiB. sda8 - ext4 - Data - 375,1 GB/ 349,34 GiB. ==================== A few questions are left. Is the above partition table OK? So far, I did not yet put any 'flag' onto any partition. Do I need to put: + a 'boot' flag at the Windows/NTFS partition sda2? + a 'lba' or 'lvm' flag at sda4? + any other 'flag' somewhere? So far, I do not manage to mount from GParted after setting up this partition table. How can I mount sda2, sda3 and sda8? Do I need to mount: + AFTER installing Windows 7? + DURING or after the installation of Kubuntu 13.10? For mounting, do I need to use the partitioner of Kubuntu during the installation? Or is it better to go back to GParted at the 'SystemRescueCD' at some moment? However it may be, I would appreciate a bit of feedback. Respectfully yours, Bas. From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 25 19:19:32 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:19:32 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <2078909.lBvqP4Ismz@viaconsensus-iter> References: <1713309.XNh8Hi1Of6@viaconsensus-iter> <52806474.3020000@iinet.net.au> <2078909.lBvqP4Ismz@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: <5293A2C4.3090406@xs4all.nl> On 25-11-13 19:37, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: > ============================================================= > Multi boot partitions (Via -amongst others- GParted at System Rescue CD. > ============================================================= > > ============================================== > Partition - File System - Label - > Size GB/GiB > ============================================== > > sda1, primary partition - ext4 - Bootloader - > 1 GB/ 0.93 GiB > > sda2, primary partition - ntfs - Win7 - > 30GB/27.9 GiB > > sda3, primary partition - ext4 - Kubuntu13.10 - > 30GB/27.9 GiB. > > sda4 - extended partition. One important remark, Bas. Put Windows on the disk that is the first in the BIOS. No matter where it is in hardware order, but it has to be first in the BIOS. If it is not, Windows will refuse to install with a sinister remark that it cannot partiition. Sometimes you can change the order in the BIOS, then that is fine. Put the Windows disk first and all will go well. Beware windows! This is probably the reason people advise against installing anything but Windows first. Regards, Guus. From basroufs at gmail.com Mon Nov 25 22:28:31 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs in English) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:28:31 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <5293A2C4.3090406@xs4all.nl> References: <2078909.lBvqP4Ismz@viaconsensus-iter> <5293A2C4.3090406@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1740946.8jzk7NbWM1@viaconsensus-iter> Hello Guus Thanks for your suggestion. > One important remark, Bas. Put Windows on the disk that is the first in > the BIOS. No matter where it is in hardware order, but it has to be > first in the BIOS. If it is not, Windows will refuse to install with a > sinister remark that it cannot partiition. > Sometimes you can change the order in the BIOS, then that is fine. Put > the Windows disk first and all will go well. To a certain extend, I already took this into account when partitioning. The NTFS partition meant for Windows is nearly in the beginning of the hard disk: in sda2, which is immediately after sda1, the bootloader partition. However, one question remains in this context. On one hand, the HP I refer to contains just one HD. On the other hand, when installing, I need to put my usb CD/DVD drive first in the BIOS, with a view to be able to use the ISO DVD in that device. Is this a problem? Or can I effectively handle this situation by first installing Windows at sda2, before installing anything else at the other partitions? Respectfully yours, Bas G. Roufs. -- Bas G. Roufs MA. Utrecht, NL, European Union, UTC + 2. E-mail: BasRoufs at gmail.com M./ SMS: +31 6 446 835 10; T. +31 30 785 20 40. From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 26 12:38:24 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:38:24 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <1740946.8jzk7NbWM1@viaconsensus-iter> References: <2078909.lBvqP4Ismz@viaconsensus-iter> <5293A2C4.3090406@xs4all.nl> <1740946.8jzk7NbWM1@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: <52949640.6090607@xs4all.nl> On 25-11-13 23:28, Bas G. Roufs in English wrote: > Hello Guus > > Thanks for your suggestion. >> One important remark, Bas. Put Windows on the disk that is the first in >> the BIOS. No matter where it is in hardware order, but it has to be >> first in the BIOS. If it is not, Windows will refuse to install with a >> sinister remark that it cannot partiition. >> Sometimes you can change the order in the BIOS, then that is fine. Put >> the Windows disk first and all will go well. > To a certain extend, I already took this into account when partitioning. The > NTFS partition meant for Windows is nearly in the beginning of the hard disk: > in sda2, which is immediately after sda1, the bootloader partition. > > However, one question remains in this context. On one hand, the HP I refer to > contains just one HD. On the other hand, when installing, I need to put my usb > CD/DVD drive first in the BIOS, with a view to be able to use the ISO DVD in > that device. Is this a problem? Or can I effectively handle this situation by > first installing Windows at sda2, before installing anything else at the other > partitions? > > Respectfully yours, > > Bas G. Roufs. > > Bas, My remark pertains to the *disk* not the partition. Windows doesn't care about which partition it is, as long as it can use the first disk it finds. If you have only one disk, no problem. Once you have partitioned your device, it probably is best to install Windows first, because Windows will trash you carefully crafted MBR. If you install Windows first, thats no problem. Linux knows how to integrate Windows into the Grub install. So: just install Windows into the partition you made NTFS and all should work. Regards, Guus. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Tue Nov 26 13:13:19 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:13:19 -0500 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <52949640.6090607@xs4all.nl> References: <2078909.lBvqP4Ismz@viaconsensus-iter> <5293A2C4.3090406@xs4all.nl> <1740946.8jzk7NbWM1@viaconsensus-iter> <52949640.6090607@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <52949E6F.8050201@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-26 13:38 (GMT+0100) A.J. Bonnema composed: > Windows will trash you carefully crafted MBR. That is the same thing Linux installers do when they put Grub where it has no need to be on the MBR. With Linux also on a primary partition on the first HD, no MBR code needs to be different from what Windows put there, so Windows can safely be installed after Linux. The vast majority of my systems are multiboot with DOS and/or Windows and/or OS/2 and Linux and Linux and Linux and more Linux. None have MBR code that a Windows installation will change. The most a Windows installation will change in the majority of cases on my systems is two bits in the partition table moving the bootable flag. https://old-en.opensuse.org/Bugs/grub#How_does_a_PC_boot_.2F_How_can_I_set_up_a_working_GRUB.3F http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/install-doz-after.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 26 16:18:34 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:18:34 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <52949E6F.8050201@earthlink.net> References: <2078909.lBvqP4Ismz@viaconsensus-iter> <5293A2C4.3090406@xs4all.nl> <1740946.8jzk7NbWM1@viaconsensus-iter> <52949640.6090607@xs4all.nl> <52949E6F.8050201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5294C9DA.2070507@xs4all.nl> On 26-11-13 14:13, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-11-26 13:38 (GMT+0100) A.J. Bonnema composed: > >> Windows will trash you carefully crafted MBR. > > That is the same thing Linux installers do when they put Grub where it > has no need to be on the MBR. With Linux also on a primary partition > on the first HD, no MBR code needs to be different from what Windows > put there, so Windows can safely be installed after Linux. The vast > majority of my systems are multiboot with DOS and/or Windows and/or > OS/2 and Linux and Linux and Linux and more Linux. None have MBR code > that a Windows installation will change. The most a Windows > installation will change in the majority of cases on my systems is two > bits in the partition table moving the bootable flag. > > https://old-en.opensuse.org/Bugs/grub#How_does_a_PC_boot_.2F_How_can_I_set_up_a_working_GRUB.3F > > http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/install-doz-after.html Good to hear you have a different solution. But it is not the same thing. Linux lets you choose: MBR or partition. It is not Linux that chooses: its you. Linux integrates Windows or any other OS into the grub install, whether on MBR or not. Windows trashes, doesn't care, will not integrate. Kind regards, Guus. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Tue Nov 26 18:10:55 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:10:55 -0500 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <5294C9DA.2070507@xs4all.nl> References: <2078909.lBvqP4Ismz@viaconsensus-iter> <5293A2C4.3090406@xs4all.nl> <1740946.8jzk7NbWM1@viaconsensus-iter> <52949640.6090607@xs4all.nl> <52949E6F.8050201@earthlink.net> <5294C9DA.2070507@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5294E42F.8050202@earthlink.net> On 2013-11-26 17:18 (GMT+0100) A.J. Bonnema composed: >> https://old-en.opensuse.org/Bugs/grub#How_does_a_PC_boot_.2F_How_can_I_set_up_a_working_GRUB.3F >> http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/install-doz-after.html > Good to hear you have a different solution. But it is not the same thing. > Linux lets you choose: MBR or partition. It is not Linux that chooses: > its you. I wrote Linux installer, meaning Linux distro installer. Linux is a kernel. The kernel has nothing to do with specifying bootloader location at installation time. > Linux integrates Windows or any other OS into the grub install, whether > on MBR or not. Windows trashes, doesn't care, will not integrate. It may not integrate, but neither does it trash if if finds MBR code that the vendor installed on it during manufacture. OTOH, all Linux distro installers I've used: 1-default to installing on MBR (which means trashing standard PC BIOS compatible MBR code), while most make how to install to other than MBR a pain to discover, and all the while knowing that reinstalling Windows will restore MBR code to as it left the factory state, making Linux unstartable until "repaired". 2-get integration wrong when other OSes are not Windows (labels both DOS and OS/2 installations "Windows", and creates OS/2 stanzas that don't work) 3-mount FAT partitions on systems absent Windows as VFAT (instead of MSDOS, strict 8.3 filenaming), which at least potentially breaks DOS and/or OS/2. 4-create FSTAB entries that mislabel HPFS partitions as NTFS, again, creating no less than a potential for filesystem corruption, besides access failure -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 05:43:06 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:43:06 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <52949E6F.8050201@earthlink.net> References: <52949640.6090607@xs4all.nl> <52949E6F.8050201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2128008.OLaLk1TlNU@saucy> On Tuesday 26 November 2013 08:13:19 Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-11-26 13:38 (GMT+0100) A.J. Bonnema composed: > > Windows will trash you carefully crafted MBR. > > That is the same thing Linux installers do when they put Grub where it has > no need to be on the MBR. No, no, I installed Kubuntu a few days ago, yes, the Kubuntu installer is a PITA and did overwrite my MBR, at least I couldn't find how to disable installing GRUB. My machine is a Linux/FreeBSD multi-boot. I always maintain two Linux installs, but have much more Linux test installs, since I tune my Linux for audio production and want to be independent of any distro, assumed one should do a step into a completely wrong direction. My main distro is Arch Linux. However, there are many distros that allow to configure the install and there is no need to install any bootloader at all. Kubuntu is, sorry, not really a good choice for experienced users. It does provide an installer that likely has advantages for newbies, so it does set up a default install, that an experienced user never ever would set up in the same way and one of that drawbacks for experienced users is, that Kubuntu does install GRUB by default. Other Linux distros don't do this! So please, don't confuse the policy of *buntus with the policy of other distros. *buntu doesn't follow the KISS principle, *buntu doesn't follow upstream, by e.g. splitting packages, *buntu ..., IOW what you are pointing out is true for a few distros only. Kubuntu, yes, it did overwrite the MBR with GRUB and did generate a completely insane grub.cfg, but Linux installers of other distros don't do this. Regards, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 05:57:13 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:57:13 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <5294C9DA.2070507@xs4all.nl> References: <52949E6F.8050201@earthlink.net> <5294C9DA.2070507@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1411021.vWGEDsSWYG@saucy> On Tuesday 26 November 2013 17:18:34 A.J. Bonnema wrote: > Good to hear you have a different solution. But it is not the same thing. > Linux lets you choose: MBR or partition. It is not Linux that chooses: > its you. Again, you're not talking about Linux, you're talking about the crappy installer of Kubuntu! It doesn't matter where you install GRUB, since it will disable the bootloader you're already using and it tries to generate a grub.cfg automagically, something absolutely idiotic, that impossibly can work on some machines. This has nothing to do with Linux, it's a "feature"/"bug" of the Kubuntu installer. Sure installing GRUB won't damage Microsoft or FreeBSD bootloaders, you still can chainload those OS, but if you're already using other Linux distros and you already have installed another bootloader, GRUB or any other, this will be replaced by Kubuntu's GRUB. The advantage of many Linux distros is, that they don't act like Microsoft does, but *buntu's policy is not an averaged Linux policy. *buntus misbehave a lot similar to Windows. Once you installed an *buntu, you need to customize the default install, usually not by installing additional services, but by getting rid of unneeded stuff, by _manually_ editing configurations and not using the flashy, but crappy GUIs. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 06:04:31 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 07:04:31 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <5294E42F.8050202@earthlink.net> References: <5294C9DA.2070507@xs4all.nl> <5294E42F.8050202@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1540732.NZKm2r5aoY@saucy> On Tuesday 26 November 2013 13:10:55 Felix Miata wrote: > OTOH, all Linux distro installers I've used: > > 1-default to installing on MBR (which means trashing standard PC BIOS > compatible MBR code), while most make how to install to other than MBR a > pain to discover, and all the while knowing that reinstalling Windows will > restore MBR code to as it left the factory state, making Linux unstartable > until "repaired". > > 2-get integration wrong when other OSes are not Windows (labels both DOS and > OS/2 installations "Windows", and creates OS/2 stanzas that don't work) > > 3-mount FAT partitions on systems absent Windows as VFAT (instead of MSDOS, > strict 8.3 filenaming), which at least potentially breaks DOS and/or OS/2. > > 4-create FSTAB entries that mislabel HPFS partitions as NTFS, again, > creating no less than a potential for filesystem corruption, besides access > failure Folks, what kind of bogus do you all write about Linux installers? Some sane installers even don't install X and don't install any DE. The user is responsible to write the fstab, it's not Linux (the kernel) or Linux user space. Just some distros chip with installers that try to make it easier to install Linux for newbies. If you are using Linux, you've got a choice and you need to act self- responsible. From steve at rileyz.net Wed Nov 27 06:08:32 2013 From: steve at rileyz.net (Steve Riley) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:08:32 -0800 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <1411021.vWGEDsSWYG@saucy> References: <5294C9DA.2070507@xs4all.nl> <1411021.vWGEDsSWYG@saucy> Message-ID: <1975429.0h47IW6kB9@t520> On 2013-11-27 at 06:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Again, you're not talking about Linux, you're talking about the crappy > installer of Kubuntu! To be precise, Ubiquity behaves similarly across all the *buntu flavors. Advanced users can opt for the Debian installer that's part of the Ubuntu server ISO. It offers much more flexibility, including whether or not to configure a boot manager. A server install is a basic text-mode setup, to which one may then add the Kubuntu desktop with a single command. I've documented the procedure here: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64088 ...Steve From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 06:20:07 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 07:20:07 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <1975429.0h47IW6kB9@t520> References: <1411021.vWGEDsSWYG@saucy> <1975429.0h47IW6kB9@t520> Message-ID: <2652164.cNvllnNp8E@saucy> Hi Steve :) On Tuesday 26 November 2013 22:08:32 Steve Riley wrote: > https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64088 "Alas, the quality of Ubiquity appears to be decreasing with each subsequent release." For your and my taste it does, but to be fair, *buntus and their default installer have got advantages for newbies. My main distro Arch Linux doesn't install a GUI environment by default, I suspect that many newbies would be screwed when using such an installer. Regards, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 06:30:02 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 07:30:02 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <1975429.0h47IW6kB9@t520> References: <1411021.vWGEDsSWYG@saucy> <1975429.0h47IW6kB9@t520> Message-ID: <3194316.q8sFQUsmBn@saucy> Apropos self-responsibility and issues regarding to overwritten MBRs. dd if=/dev/sdx of=MBR_sdx-$(date "+%Y%m%d_%H%M%S") bs=512 count=1 ;) From kassube at gmx.net Wed Nov 27 07:06:27 2013 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:06:27 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <2128008.OLaLk1TlNU@saucy> References: <52949E6F.8050201@earthlink.net> <2128008.OLaLk1TlNU@saucy> Message-ID: <2583130.OOsAmnVpCj@p5915> Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tuesday 26 November 2013 08:13:19 Felix Miata wrote: > > On 2013-11-26 13:38 (GMT+0100) A.J. Bonnema composed: > > > Windows will trash you carefully crafted MBR. > > > > That is the same thing Linux installers do when they put Grub where > > it has no need to be on the MBR. > > No, no, I installed Kubuntu a few days ago, yes, the Kubuntu installer > is a PITA and did overwrite my MBR, at least I couldn't find how to > disable installing GRUB. You can't disable installing GRUB (AFAIK) but you can install it to your kubuntu partition instead of the MBR. During the installation process select manual partitioning. Then you have the option to choose where to install the boot loader. The default is /dev/sdx but you can select any of the available partitions. Nils From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 09:35:04 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:35:04 +0100 Subject: Running apps with root privileges does cause annoying warnings Message-ID: <1479723.fSACszf1Xg@saucy> Hi, why do I get tons of useless warnings and how can I get rid of those warnings, when launching a GUI app with root privileges? rocketmouse at saucy:/usr/src$ kdesudo kate QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /root/.config/ibus/bus rocketmouse at saucy:/usr/src$ kdesudo synaptic (synaptic:18295): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkNotebook 0x1e26510 is mapped but visible child GtkLabel 0x1e3c450 is not mapped (synaptic:18295): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkNotebook 0x1e26510 is mapped but visible child GtkLabel 0x1e6dca0 is not mapped (synaptic:18295): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkNotebook 0x1e26510 is mapped but visible child GtkLabel 0x1eaf6f0 is not mapped [snip] Regards, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 09:35:16 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:35:16 +0100 Subject: HDD does spin down and up again and again Message-ID: <18741757.fY8SZSr3aF@saucy> Hi :) some days ago I started testing KDE, being a long time Linux user, running Xfce for the last years. KDE does touch without any reason my "green" HDD, so 193 Load_Cycle_Count does increase for nothing. When I experienced the same issue with other DEs I removed gvfs, in case it was an optional dependencies or replaced gvfs with an empty dummy package when it was a hard dependency, to get rid of this HDD killer. It's neither possible to disable the "green" option, nor do I want to disable it, assumed it should be possible. The order to spin down external drives after a while is one of the EU Regulation that are ok. Touching the drive for nothing simply is a bug. As a command line user, there's no need for me to see Trash and removable devices on the Desktop or by Dolphin. My all day distro is Arch Linux, but I'm testing KDE with Kubuntu Saucy. What do I need to remove, to get rid of the HDD killer for the KDE install? I'll ask at KDE mailing list too, but since the traffic on this and the KDE list is very low, I "cross-post" this request. Regards, Ralf From kassube at gmx.net Wed Nov 27 10:35:05 2013 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:35:05 +0100 Subject: Running apps with root privileges does cause annoying warnings In-Reply-To: <1479723.fSACszf1Xg@saucy> References: <1479723.fSACszf1Xg@saucy> Message-ID: <3678183.bW5Dg89nVU@p5915> Ralf Mardorf wrote: > why do I get tons of useless warnings and how can I get rid of those > warnings, when launching a GUI app with root privileges? > > > rocketmouse at saucy:/usr/src$ kdesudo kate > QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before > QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. [...] Why? I don't know. But to get rid of the messages you could use the command kdesudo kate &>/dev/null or you could use Alt-F2 to launch the command. Nils From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 10:49:58 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:49:58 +0100 Subject: Kernel for MIDI/audio production Message-ID: <5191556.n1h2CFarac@saucy> Hi, for MIDI/audio production I need a real-time kernel. With Ubuntu Quantal the last kernel I used was 3.6.5-rt14, with Arch Linux the last kernel I used was 3.8.13-rt14. With Ubuntu Quantal and Arch Linux 3.8.10-rt kernels didn't work, so for Kubuntu Saucy I started installing the lowlatency from the official repositories and then I build the kernels, 3.6.5-rt14 and 3.8.13-rt14 with the configs that are known to work on my machine. Those three kernels do work with Saucy too. Then I build the current kernel-rt, 3.12.1-rt4, using the 3.6.5-rt14 config from Quantal that does work and run oldconfig to set up the new options. I build three different versions of 3.12.1-rt4. 3.12.1-rt4-idle is what is recommended, 3.12.1-rt4-nohz and 3.12.1-rt4 are the additional configs I tested until now [1]. Any hints, what's worse testing too, are welcome. Does a kernel-rt >= 3.10-rt work for somebody on this list? Regards, Ralf [1] rocketmouse at saucy:/boot$ ls -hAl conf* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 160K Okt 29 17:41 config-3.11.0-13-lowlatency -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 139K Nov 26 11:27 config-3.12.1-rt4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 139K Nov 27 08:07 config-3.12.1-rt4-idle -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 139K Nov 26 23:11 config-3.12.1-rt4-nohz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 132K Nov 26 02:05 config-3.6.5-rt14 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 131K Nov 26 04:22 config-3.8.13-rt14-1-rt rocketmouse at saucy:/boot$ grep NO_HZ c*3.11* CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y # CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set CONFIG_NO_HZ=y CONFIG_RCU_FAST_NO_HZ=y rocketmouse at saucy:/boot$ grep NO_HZ c*3.6* CONFIG_NO_HZ=y rocketmouse at saucy:/boot$ grep NO_HZ c*3.8* CONFIG_NO_HZ=y rocketmouse at saucy:/boot$ grep NO_HZ c*3.12*rt4 CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y # CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE is not set CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL=y CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL_ALL=y CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL_SYSIDLE=y CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL_SYSIDLE_SMALL=2 CONFIG_NO_HZ=y rocketmouse at saucy:/boot$ grep NO_HZ c*3.12*rt4-idle CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y # CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set CONFIG_NO_HZ=y rocketmouse at saucy:/boot$ grep NO_HZ c*3.12*rt4-nohz # CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE is not set # CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set CONFIG_NO_HZ=y rocketmouse at saucy:/boot$ From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 11:04:06 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:04:06 +0100 Subject: Running apps with root privileges does cause annoying warnings In-Reply-To: <3678183.bW5Dg89nVU@p5915> References: <1479723.fSACszf1Xg@saucy> <3678183.bW5Dg89nVU@p5915> Message-ID: <7372181.AWvEaCGzfZ@saucy> On Wednesday 27 November 2013 11:35:05 Nils Kassube wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > why do I get tons of useless warnings and how can I get rid of those > > warnings, when launching a GUI app with root privileges? > > > > > > rocketmouse at saucy:/usr/src$ kdesudo kate > > QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before > > QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. > > [...] > > Why? I don't know. But to get rid of the messages you could use the > command > > kdesudo kate &>/dev/null > > or you could use Alt-F2 to launch the command. Thank you Nils, but I know that and typing 1 char less will work too, kdesudo kate >/dev/null. However, my work-flow is to use a terminal emulation and to launch GUI apps, if preferred to non-GUI apps, by the terminal emulation too, so a shortcut isn't an option. Usually I run sudo -i and don't use kedesudo, when I need to be root, I just wanted to ensure that kate doen't behave different when using kdesudo, but unfortunately the warnings do still appear. Regards, Ralf From steve at rileyz.net Wed Nov 27 19:12:05 2013 From: steve at rileyz.net (Steve Riley) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:12:05 -0800 Subject: HDD does spin down and up again and again In-Reply-To: <18741757.fY8SZSr3aF@saucy> References: <18741757.fY8SZSr3aF@saucy> Message-ID: <3150480.f1822h0uiv@t520> The file /etc/hdparm.conf is your friend. My ThinkPad has a second HDD in its UltraBay. I use this mainly for storing photos and music. I don't access it very often, so I don't want the drive to spin unless I need it. I've accomplished this by doing two things: * Omitting an entry in /etc/fstab for the filesystem (/dev/sdb1) on the drive * Adding an entry to /etc/hdparm.conf that tells the system to power-down the drive after boot That entry is the following: /dev/sdb { apm = 127 apm_battery = 127 } "man hdparm.conf" will tell you more about this configuration file. For the actual values to set, consult "man hdparm"; here, you will learn that 127 is the value to use for immediate power-down. I also intentionally omitted an entry for /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab. Instead, I rely on Udisks to take care of automounting for me. The end result is perfect. When I boot the computer, I can hear the drive spin only for a few seconds until init parses /etc/hdparm.conf and powers the drive down. The drive stays quiet until I really want it -- there are no random touches, which is what I think you want to prevent. Opening Dolphin will *not* power up the drive. When I click the drive in the "Places" pane, Udisks applies power and mounts the drive. Once I'm finished with it, the drive powers back down quickly (because my APM setting is aggressive at 127). ...Steve On 2013-11-27 at 10:35, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hi :) > > some days ago I started testing KDE, being a long time Linux user, running > Xfce for the last years. > > KDE does touch without any reason my "green" HDD, so 193 Load_Cycle_Count does > increase for nothing. > > When I experienced the same issue with other DEs I removed gvfs, in case it > was an optional dependencies or replaced gvfs with an empty dummy package when > it was a hard dependency, to get rid of this HDD killer. > > It's neither possible to disable the "green" option, nor do I want to disable > it, assumed it should be possible. The order to spin down external drives > after a while is one of the EU Regulation that are ok. Touching the drive for > nothing simply is a bug. > > As a command line user, there's no need for me to see Trash and removable > devices on the Desktop or by Dolphin. > > My all day distro is Arch Linux, but I'm testing KDE with Kubuntu Saucy. What > do I need to remove, to get rid of the HDD killer for the KDE install? > > I'll ask at KDE mailing list too, but since the traffic on this and the KDE list > is very low, I "cross-post" this request. > > Regards, > Ralf From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Nov 28 05:37:17 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:37:17 +1100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD In-Reply-To: <2583130.OOsAmnVpCj@p5915> References: <52949E6F.8050201@earthlink.net> <2128008.OLaLk1TlNU@saucy> <2583130.OOsAmnVpCj@p5915> Message-ID: <5296D68D.7020802@iinet.net.au> On 27/11/13 18:06, Nils Kassube wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Tuesday 26 November 2013 08:13:19 Felix Miata wrote: >>> On 2013-11-26 13:38 (GMT+0100) A.J. Bonnema composed: >>>> Windows will trash you carefully crafted MBR. >>> That is the same thing Linux installers do when they put Grub where >>> it has no need to be on the MBR. >> No, no, I installed Kubuntu a few days ago, yes, the Kubuntu installer >> is a PITA and did overwrite my MBR, at least I couldn't find how to >> disable installing GRUB. > You can't disable installing GRUB (AFAIK) but you can install it to your > kubuntu partition instead of the MBR. During the installation process > select manual partitioning. Then you have the option to choose where to > install the boot loader. The default is /dev/sdx but you can select any > of the available partitions. > > > Nils I am "moderated" on this site so my response may not get thru - and whether it does or not does not bother me one little bit. BUT, if my response does get thru then I can only say to the one - I won't mention names because you know who you are - who started this latest nonsense about what Kubuntu installer does VS what Windows does: For Chrissake, Bas asked for HELP with what he want to do and all he has been given so far is some airy-fairy argument by pedants about what the Kubuntu installer may or may not do! And none of these people who have strayed off the subject are really helping Bas with his problem but are still allowed to squawk and waste Bas's time, and everybody else's, because the "Moderators" appear to think that this is "on topic" - but Bas is sitting there holdling his head in despair because he is now thoroughly confused out his tiny mind! Get real people! Answer what Bas asked about and don't go off on expressing your pet theory about what "this" does or "that" does not do! If you want to do your pedant-thing, then start a new thread and let Bas get on with life! BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.3 & kernel 3.12.1-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Nov 28 23:30:15 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 00:30:15 +0100 Subject: HDD does spin down and up again and again In-Reply-To: <3150480.f1822h0uiv@t520> References: <18741757.fY8SZSr3aF@saucy> <3150480.f1822h0uiv@t520> Message-ID: <2243190.rBhiznWNTW@saucy> On Wednesday 27 November 2013 11:12:05 Steve Riley wrote: > The file /etc/hdparm.conf is your friend. Thank you Steve, well-intentioned but exactly what I did not ask for. As already pointed out, for many other DEs it's gvfs that wakes up the drives and for KDE it's something else and I want to know what is used by KDE, that does wake up drives. Unlikely that hdparm is able to set the parameter across the USB controller, but even if this should work, I don't want a workaround, I want to remove the buggy software KDE is using. I hoped somebody does know what part of KDE does touch hard drives without reason. For the DEs using gvfs nobody could tell me that it is gvfs, I had to search for the culprit. Hm? so I have to search for the culprit again :(. It's against my philosophy to fix an issue of buggy software, by manipulating the hardware. In my case it unlikely could be fixed by hdparm, even if I would be willing to use it. The Internet leads to kio as equivalent to gvfs for the virtual file system. The hard disk parameters of my HDD are exactly as I want them. I want to know what software does cause the spin up. Regards, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Nov 28 23:46:05 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 00:46:05 +0100 Subject: HDD does spin down and up again and again In-Reply-To: <2243190.rBhiznWNTW@saucy> References: <18741757.fY8SZSr3aF@saucy> <3150480.f1822h0uiv@t520> <2243190.rBhiznWNTW@saucy> Message-ID: <4654550.F2HXKjWl79@saucy> On Friday 29 November 2013 00:30:15 you wrote: > On Wednesday 27 November 2013 11:12:05 Steve Riley wrote: > > The file /etc/hdparm.conf is your friend. > > Thank you Steve, > > well-intentioned but exactly what I did not ask for. As already pointed out, > for many other DEs it's gvfs that wakes up the drives and for KDE it's > something else and I want to know what is used by KDE, that does wake up > drives. Unlikely that hdparm is able to set the parameter across the USB > controller, but even if this should work, I don't want a workaround, I want > to remove the buggy software KDE is using. I hoped somebody does know what > part of KDE does touch hard drives without reason. For the DEs using gvfs > nobody could tell me that it is gvfs, I had to search for the culprit. Hm? > so I have to search for the culprit again :(. > > It's against my philosophy to fix an issue of buggy software, by > manipulating the hardware. In my case it unlikely could be fixed by hdparm, > even if I would be willing to use it. > > The Internet leads to kio as equivalent to gvfs for the virtual file system. > > The hard disk parameters of my HDD are exactly as I want them. I want to > know what software does cause the spin up. PS: I started with removing kio related stuff and likely will continue to remove nepomuk related stuff. Hints are still welcome. From frankie-1 at hotmail.nl Fri Nov 29 09:50:26 2013 From: frankie-1 at hotmail.nl (Dennis M) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:50:26 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 13.10 no internet Message-ID: Hello, My sisters laptop with Ubuntu 13.04 upgradeded to 13.10 and no internet anymore. Wired and wireless no connection, the RTL8101E/RTL8102E controller is in the laptop. Is this a known problem? Regards Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaj at haulrich.net Fri Nov 29 10:15:14 2013 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 11:15:14 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 13.10 no internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52986932.4000206@haulrich.net> On 11/29/2013 10:50 AM, Dennis M wrote: > Hello, > My sisters laptop with Ubuntu 13.04 upgradeded to 13.10 and no internet > anymore. Wired and wireless no connection, the RTL8101E/RTL8102E > controller is in the laptop. > Is this a known problem? Maybe the little switch on the laptop? (I made the same mistake several times!) Otherwise, one solution is to install wicd, (via a physical ethernet cable) which sometimes works better than Kubuntu's own network manager. Kaj Haulrich. -- --- Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer--- --- Running Linux Kubuntu 14.04 Trusty Tahr. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Nov 29 11:54:28 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:54:28 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 13.10 no internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52988074.9090701@gmail.com> On 11/29/2013 11:50 AM, Dennis M wrote: > Hello, > My sisters laptop with Ubuntu 13.04 upgradeded to 13.10 and no internet > anymore. Wired and wireless no connection, the RTL8101E/RTL8102E > controller is in the laptop. > Is this a known problem? I am not sure about this card but does it (did she) use restricted drivers or not? I once found that BOTH the proprietary and open source driver for my card tried to load after an upgrade - had to blacklist the free drivers as then I preferred the proprietary drivers From frankie-1 at hotmail.nl Fri Nov 29 13:33:37 2013 From: frankie-1 at hotmail.nl (Dennis M) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 14:33:37 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 13.10 no internet In-Reply-To: <52988074.9090701@gmail.com> References: , <52988074.9090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thans all for the help, i saw no extra drivers in additional drivers for the card. How can i see if she uses open or restricted drivers? I'm learning Linux every day... > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:54:28 +0200 > From: o.sinclair at gmail.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Ubuntu 13.10 no internet > CC: o.sinclair at gmail.com > > On 11/29/2013 11:50 AM, Dennis M wrote: > > Hello, > > My sisters laptop with Ubuntu 13.04 upgradeded to 13.10 and no internet > > anymore. Wired and wireless no connection, the RTL8101E/RTL8102E > > controller is in the laptop. > > Is this a known problem? > > I am not sure about this card but does it (did she) use restricted > drivers or not? I once found that BOTH the proprietary and open source > driver for my card tried to load after an upgrade - had to blacklist the > free drivers as then I preferred the proprietary drivers > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Nov 29 23:58:05 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:58:05 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 13.10 no internet In-Reply-To: References: <52988074.9090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <173223318.50oim8sPKf@saucy> On Friday 29 November 2013 14:33:37 Dennis M wrote: > Thans all for the help, i saw no extra drivers in additional drivers for the > card. How can i see if she uses open or restricted drivers? > I'm learning Linux every day... All drivers are listed by $ lsmod You get information by $ modinfo DRIVERNAME and by https://startpage.com/ and search for the DRIVERNAME You didn't answer this question: On Friday 29 November 2013 11:15:14 Kaj Haulrich wrote: > Maybe the little switch on the laptop? When a neighbor ask me to help with a Windows laptop, I didn't know about this switch, but I read the Windows message window that mentioned the switch. IOW without knowledge about Windows and without knowing that some or all laptops have such a switch, I could solve the issue within seconds, that's why I just want to ensure, that you checked the button. Regards, Ralf From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sat Nov 30 01:25:33 2013 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (Uriah Heep) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:25:33 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 13.10 no internet In-Reply-To: <173223318.50oim8sPKf@saucy> References: <52988074.9090701@gmail.com> <173223318.50oim8sPKf@saucy> Message-ID: On Friday 29 November 2013 14:33:37 Dennis M wrote: > Thans all for the help, i saw no extra drivers in additional drivers for the > card. How can i see if she uses open or restricted drivers? > I'm learning Linux every day... All drivers are listed by $ lsmod You get information by $ modinfo DRIVERNAME and by https://startpage.com/ and search for the DRIVERNAME You didn't answer this question: On Friday 29 November 2013 11:15:14 Kaj Haulrich wrote: > Maybe the little switch on the laptop? When a neighbor ask me to help with a Windows laptop, I didn't know about this switch, but I read the Windows message window that mentioned the switch. IOW without knowledge about Windows and without knowing that some or all laptops have such a switch, I could solve the issue within seconds, that's why I just want to ensure, that you checked the button. Regards, Ralf **************************** All laptops have a way to disable wireless, in some such as my lenovo I press F5 and different computers use different buttons so you may have to check computer documentation. On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Friday 29 November 2013 14:33:37 Dennis M wrote: > > Thans all for the help, i saw no extra drivers in additional drivers for > the > > card. How can i see if she uses open or restricted drivers? > > I'm learning Linux every day... > > All drivers are listed by > $ lsmod > > You get information by > $ modinfo DRIVERNAME > and by > https://startpage.com/ and search for the DRIVERNAME > > You didn't answer this question: > > On Friday 29 November 2013 11:15:14 Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Maybe the little switch on the laptop? > > When a neighbor ask me to help with a Windows laptop, I didn't know about > this > switch, but I read the Windows message window that mentioned the switch. > IOW > without knowledge about Windows and without knowing that some or all > laptops > have such a switch, I could solve the issue within seconds, that's why I > just > want to ensure, that you checked the button. > > Regards, > Ralf > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Nov 30 04:57:27 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 05:57:27 +0100 Subject: Mouse cursor theme issue Message-ID: <8835512.4zmFUI6QJ6@saucy> Hi, where is the configuration to set the same cursor for lightdm-kde-greeter, that is used for KDE? The KDE mouse cursor theme is "KDE Classic", but for the greeter it's still "Oxygen White". I want to completely get rid of the Oxygen mouse cursor theme. Half-OT: I installed Razor-Qt and use it with _KWin_, so it might not be completely OT. For the Razor-Qt desktop I get the wanted "KDE Classic" mouse cursor, but if the cursor is above a Window it switches to the unwanted "Oxygen White" theme. It might be related to the greeter issue. FWIW I experienced the Greeter mouse cursor issue already before Razor-Qt was installed. Only the Layout of my Keyboard should be German, everything else should be in English. As wanted, KDE is completely in English, but Razor-Qt isn't. Some components are in German. To what *buntu mailing list should I send a request? Regards, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Nov 30 05:07:33 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 06:07:33 +0100 Subject: Mouse cursor theme issue In-Reply-To: <8835512.4zmFUI6QJ6@saucy> References: <8835512.4zmFUI6QJ6@saucy> Message-ID: <2201543.yEvpLpkJs1@saucy> On Saturday 30 November 2013 05:57:27 I wrote: > [snip] Half-OT: [snip] Only the Layout of my Keyboard should be German, > everything else should be in English. [snip] Pardon, the timezone should be and is German too. The LANG variable is ok, rocketmouse at saucy:~$ echo $LANG en_US.UTF-8 It makes me wonder why for razor-qt some menus are in German? From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Sat Nov 30 07:25:57 2013 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles Bell) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:25:57 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 13.10 no internet In-Reply-To: References: <52988074.9090701@gmail.com> <173223318.50oim8sPKf@saucy> Message-ID: <52999305.6000002@cfl.rr.com> On 11/29/2013 08:25 PM, Uriah Heep wrote: > On Friday 29 November 2013 14:33:37 Dennis M wrote: > > Thans all for the help, i saw no extra drivers in additional drivers > for the > > card. How can i see if she uses open or restricted drivers? > > I'm learning Linux every day... > > All drivers are listed by > $ lsmod > > You get information by > $ modinfo DRIVERNAME > and by > https://startpage.com/ and search for the DRIVERNAME > > You didn't answer this question: > > On Friday 29 November 2013 11:15:14 Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Maybe the little switch on the laptop? > > When a neighbor ask me to help with a Windows laptop, I didn't know > about this > switch, but I read the Windows message window that mentioned the > switch. IOW > without knowledge about Windows and without knowing that some or all > laptops > have such a switch, I could solve the issue within seconds, that's why > I just > want to ensure, that you checked the button. > > Regards, > Ralf > **************************** > > > All laptops have a way to disable wireless, in some such as my lenovo > I press F5 and different computers use different buttons so you may > have to check computer documentation. > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > On Friday 29 November 2013 14:33:37 Dennis M wrote: > > Thans all for the help, i saw no extra drivers in additional > drivers for the > > card. How can i see if she uses open or restricted drivers? > > I'm learning Linux every day... > > All drivers are listed by > $ lsmod > > You get information by > $ modinfo DRIVERNAME > and by > https://startpage.com/ and search for the DRIVERNAME > > You didn't answer this question: > > On Friday 29 November 2013 11:15:14 Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Maybe the little switch on the laptop? > > When a neighbor ask me to help with a Windows laptop, I didn't > know about this > switch, but I read the Windows message window that mentioned the > switch. IOW > without knowledge about Windows and without knowing that some or > all laptops > have such a switch, I could solve the issue within seconds, that's > why I just > want to ensure, that you checked the button. > > Regards, > Ralf > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > I don't know if it will help or not, but I wrote the following bash file for my own use. You can change the IP addresses of the cable modem and the router. If you have neither then '#' out the appropriate lines and continue. The checks are out of normal sequence because I wrote this on the fly. You just have to copy-and-paste into a file ending with .sh and make it executable. Tom -- "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." --Albert Einstein (German born American Physicist who developed the special and general theories of relativity. Nobel Prize for Physics in 1921. 1879-1955) # Everything below starting with '#!' on the first line, but above the very last line as designated. #! # Bash file to check if network manager is online MY_MODEM=192.168.100.1 MY_ROUTER=192.168.1.1 # check with this if statement to see if Network Manager is online if(nm-online) then printf "Network Manager is online!\n" #exit 0 else printf "Network Manager is offline\n" #exit 1 fi # Now check to see if the router is responding if((ping $MY_ROUTER -c 1 -q) > /dev/null) then printf "The router is responding!\n" else printf "The router is not responding!\n" fi # Now check to see if cable modem is responding if((ping $MY_MODEM -c 1 -q) > /dev/null) then printf "The cable modem is responding!\n" else printf "The cable modem not responding!\n" fi # Now check to see if Ethernet driver is loaded if(lspci -v | egrep Ethernet > /dev/null) then printf "There is an ethernet driver!\n" else printf "There is no ethernet driver!\n" fi #Everything above this line. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition, a number of improvements and bug fixes were made: * First day of week will also be detected correctly on systems with Qt older than 4.8. * Mount plugin received a number of improvements. It will now display volume sizes correctly. * Razor can now use systemd directly to shutdown/supend/etc. * Themes were improved to work well with dark Qt color schemes. * The bug that caused creation of ~/razor and ~/.razor directories was fixed. (If you have such directories, it's safe to delete them) * And lots of other minor fixes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Nov 30 09:44:30 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:44:30 +0100 Subject: Mouse cursor theme issue In-Reply-To: <5299936F.7090308@xs4all.nl> References: <8835512.4zmFUI6QJ6@saucy> <2201543.yEvpLpkJs1@saucy> <5299936F.7090308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1501597.dADOt1iyFP@saucy> On Saturday 30 November 2013 08:27:43 A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 30-11-13 06:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > The LANG variable is ok, > > rocketmouse at saucy:~$ echo $LANG > > en_US.UTF-8 > > > > It makes me wonder why for razor-qt some menus are in German? > > Hey Ralf, did you check whether there is a "~/razor" or "~/.razor > directory? According to the site that was a bug repaired in version > 0.5.2. Maybe razor-qt keeps the language in there. Thank you, the config files are in .config/razor/. Human readable, but missing an entry for the language. I already found this out by myself, but you helped me to to notice that there's a log file. $ cat ~/.local/share/razor/razor-confupdate.log 2013-11-30T03:47:03 Id=razor_0.4.1-0.5.0 2013-11-30T03:47:03 razor-0.5.upd: Found new update 'razor_0.4.1-0.5.0' 2013-11-30T03:47:03 2013-11-30T03:47:03 File=~/.razor/session.conf,razor/session.conf 2013-11-30T03:47:03 razor-0.5.upd: File '~/.razor/session.conf' does not exist, skipping 2013-11-30T03:47:03 Options=copy 2013-11-30T03:47:03 Script=sesion_modules 2013-11-30T03:47:03 2013-11-30T03:47:03 File=~/.razor/desktop.conf,razor/desktop.conf 2013-11-30T03:47:03 razor-0.5.upd: File '~/.razor/desktop.conf' does not exist, skipping 2013-11-30T03:47:03 Options=copy 2013-11-30T03:47:03 Script=desktop-041-050.py,python 2013-11-30T03:47:03 2013-11-30T03:47:03 File=~/.razor/razor.conf,razor/razor.conf 2013-11-30T03:47:03 razor-0.5.upd: File '~/.razor/razor.conf' does not exist, skipping 2013-11-30T03:47:03 Options=copy 2013-11-30T03:47:03 AllKeys 2013-11-30T03:47:03 2013-11-30T03:47:03 File=~/.razor/razor-runner.conf,razor/razor-runner.conf 2013-11-30T03:47:03 razor-0.5.upd: File '~/.razor/razor-runner.conf' does not exist, skipping 2013-11-30T03:47:03 Options=copy 2013-11-30T03:47:03 AllKeys 2013-11-30T03:47:03 2013-11-30T03:47:03 File=~/.razor/razor-panel/panel.conf,razor/razor- panel/panel.conf 2013-11-30T03:47:03 razor-0.5.upd: File '~/.razor/razor-panel/panel.conf' does not exist, skipping So I checked the installed packages and found a package razorqt-config containing /usr/bin/razor-config, language files and other files. $ /usr/bin/razor-config --help Theme: Cannot open file for reading: "/usr/share/razor/themes/green/razor- config.qss" did open the GUI, I already know from the menu, but now I noticed that the Window title and the close button are in German, while the content of the Window is in English. Since I've got a cold, I'm "thinking slow" :D, but now I have got something I can use to search the web. I also missed a Window with information: Razor Desktop Toolbox - Technische Info Version 0.5.2 Qt 4.8.4 Debug Build Nein System Konfiguration /etc/xdg Freigegebenes Verzeichnis /usr/share/razor/ Übersetzung °°°°°°°°°°°°IS GERMAN FOR "translation" (keymapping is broken :D) /usr/share/librazorqt Benutzer Verzeichnisse Xdg Daten Pfad /home/rocketmouse/.local/share Xdg Konfigurations Pfad /home/rocketmouse/.config Xdg Daten Verzeichnisse /usr/share/razor:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/ Xdg Cache Pfad /home/rocketmouse/.cache Xdg Laufzeit Pfad /run/user/1000 Xdg Autostart Verzeichnisse /etc/xdg/xdg-razor/autostart:/etc/xdg/autostart Xdg Autostart Pfad /home/rocketmouse/.config/autostart $ sudo mv /usr/share/librazorqt /usr/share/UNWANTED-TRANSLATIONS-librazorqt and the sledgehammer "reboot" didn't solve the issue, however, now there's enough information available for web search keywords. :) Thanks again, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Nov 30 09:53:39 2013 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:53:39 +0100 Subject: Mouse cursor theme issue In-Reply-To: <5299936F.7090308@xs4all.nl> References: <8835512.4zmFUI6QJ6@saucy> <2201543.yEvpLpkJs1@saucy> <5299936F.7090308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5271030.ZMBWfVERvQ@saucy> PS: rocketmouse at saucy:~$ diff .xsession-errors .xsession-errors.old rocketmouse at saucy:~$ cat .xsession-errors Script for cjkv started at run_im. Script for default started at run_im. Script for cjkv started at run_im. Script for default started at run_im. Theme: Cannot open file for reading: "/usr/share/razor/themes/green/razor- session.qss" Environment variable XDG_MENU_PREFIX = razor- /build/buildd/razorqt-0.5.2/razorqt-session/razor-session/src/razormodman.cpp : 60 Session "session" about to launch (default 'session') Error expanding environment variable BROWSER = "/usr/local/bin/debro %u" Environment variable QT_PLUGIN_PATH = :/usr/lib64/kde4/plugins:/usr/lib/kde4/plugins Environment variable TERM = konsole Environment variable XCURSOR_THEME = KDE_Classic Environment variable XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP = Razor From frankie-1 at hotmail.nl Sat Nov 30 13:09:56 2013 From: frankie-1 at hotmail.nl (Dennis M) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:09:56 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 13.10 no internet In-Reply-To: <52999305.6000002@cfl.rr.com> References: , <52988074.9090701@gmail.com> , <173223318.50oim8sPKf@saucy>, , <52999305.6000002@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: The version Ubuntu upgraded to 13.10, first the internet with 13.04 worked well.It's the upgrade that couses the problem.I see Realtek RTL8101E by Terminal lspci, and by iwconfig 'no wireless extensions'.The system is not connected wired or wireless and the swith is on. Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:25:57 -0500 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Ubuntu 13.10 no internet On 11/29/2013 08:25 PM, Uriah Heep wrote: On Friday 29 November 2013 14:33:37 Dennis M wrote: > Thans all for the help, i saw no extra drivers in additional drivers for the > card. How can i see if she uses open or restricted drivers? > I'm learning Linux every day... All drivers are listed by $ lsmod You get information by $ modinfo DRIVERNAME and by https://startpage.com/ and search for the DRIVERNAME You didn't answer this question: On Friday 29 November 2013 11:15:14 Kaj Haulrich wrote: > Maybe the little switch on the laptop? When a neighbor ask me to help with a Windows laptop, I didn't know about this switch, but I read the Windows message window that mentioned the switch. IOW without knowledge about Windows and without knowing that some or all laptops have such a switch, I could solve the issue within seconds, that's why I just want to ensure, that you checked the button. Regards, Ralf **************************** All laptops have a way to disable wireless, in some such as my lenovo I press F5 and different computers use different buttons so you may have to check computer documentation. On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Friday 29 November 2013 14:33:37 Dennis M wrote: > Thans all for the help, i saw no extra drivers in additional drivers for the > card. How can i see if she uses open or restricted drivers? > I'm learning Linux every day... All drivers are listed by $ lsmod You get information by $ modinfo DRIVERNAME and by https://startpage.com/ and search for the DRIVERNAME You didn't answer this question: On Friday 29 November 2013 11:15:14 Kaj Haulrich wrote: > Maybe the little switch on the laptop? When a neighbor ask me to help with a Windows laptop, I didn't know about this switch, but I read the Windows message window that mentioned the switch. IOW without knowledge about Windows and without knowing that some or all laptops have such a switch, I could solve the issue within seconds, that's why I just want to ensure, that you checked the button. Regards, Ralf -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users I don't know if it will help or not, but I wrote the following bash file for my own use. You can change the IP addresses of the cable modem and the router. If you have neither then '#' out the appropriate lines and continue. The checks are out of normal sequence because I wrote this on the fly. You just have to copy-and-paste into a file ending with .sh and make it executable. Tom -- “We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” --Albert Einstein (German born American Physicist who developed the special and general theories of relativity. Nobel Prize for Physics in 1921. 1879-1955) # Everything below starting with '#!' on the first line, but above the very last line as designated. #! # Bash file to check if network manager is online MY_MODEM=192.168.100.1 MY_ROUTER=192.168.1.1 # check with this if statement to see if Network Manager is online if(nm-online) then printf "Network Manager is online!\n" #exit 0 else printf "Network Manager is offline\n" #exit 1 fi # Now check to see if the router is responding if((ping $MY_ROUTER -c 1 -q) > /dev/null) then printf "The router is responding!\n" else printf "The router is not responding!\n" fi # Now check to see if cable modem is responding if((ping $MY_MODEM -c 1 -q) > /dev/null) then printf "The cable modem is responding!\n" else printf "The cable modem not responding!\n" fi # Now check to see if Ethernet driver is loaded if(lspci -v | egrep Ethernet > /dev/null) then printf "There is an ethernet driver!\n" else printf "There is no ethernet driver!\n" fi #Everything above this line. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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