Fwd: re update firefox 9 to 11

O. Sinclair o.sinclair at gmail.com
Sun May 13 06:48:49 UTC 2012


On 13/05/12 08:29, ray burke wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:02 PM, O. Sinclair<o.sinclair at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On 13/05/12 07:45, ray burke wrote:
>>>
>>> Sinclair,
>>>
>>> well how do you think I can fix  my problem?
>>
>> If you want to upgrade Firefox but stay on 10.10 I recommend you check
>> Firefox download for linux and try install the latest version.
>>
>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html
>>
>> there are numerous how-to regarding installation, here is one:
>> http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/Installing%20Firefox%20on%20Linux
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ray
>>>
>>> On 5/12/12, O. Sinclair<o.sinclair at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/05/12 09:09, Basil Chupin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/05/12 16:15, O. Sinclair wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/05/12 07:57, Basil Chupin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/05/12 07:43, ray burke wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: ray burke<rayburke30 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 06:39:18 +1000
>>>>>>>> Subject: re update firefox 9 to 11
>>>>>>>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone help please-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I the other day update thru kpackagekit in my k 10.10 firefox 11, but
>>>>>>>> after i rebooted and started ff11 when
>>>>>>>> i went online it kept crashing ,and sent a report, then tried 11
>>>>>>>> attempts but still crashed, so I clonned back to my
>>>>>>>> k10.10mm backup which was clonned on 23/4/12, and again using ff9, so
>>>>>>>> how do I stop it updating to ff11,
>>>>>>>> showing within my kpakagekit? see attached
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I read what you say above correctly, you are still using v10.10 of
>>>>>>> Kubuntu, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so then you ought to know that support by Canonical for 10.10
>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>> in April - and it is now May. (You would have received and e-mail
>>>>>>> advising you about the EOL of 10.10 some time ago.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should be upgrading to at least the next version of Kubuntu, which
>>>>>>> is 11.04 - but keep it mind that this 11.04 will reach EOL (End Of
>>>>>>> Life)
>>>>>>> this coming October - ie, in 5 months time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should also know that Firefox is now currently at version 12
>>>>>>> (officially - but unofficially at v15 if you use the knightly builds).
>>>>>>> The upgrades since v9 which you are running contain many fixes
>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>> security fixes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore you would be wise to upgrade your Kubuntu which would also
>>>>>>> upgrade your Firefox.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wise or not wise could depend on hardware and other issues. In my
>>>>>> experience older hardware do better with older versions of linux. That
>>>>>> has actually been confirmed by tests done by Phoronix where "sandy
>>>>>> bridge" et al do better with 12.04 but hardware older than that do
>>>>>> better with 10.10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I would say (and I live by this rule myself): don't upgrade what
>>>>>> works for the user. I have 3 laptops in the house and there is no
>>>>>> question about it: the older ones run happier on older releases. The
>>>>>> newest will not even work (graphic driver issues) on anything older
>>>>>> than 11.04.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a word on "it is always better to upgrade". Nope it aint,
>>>>>> upgrades can break working software/hardware relations. Linux may be
>>>>>> brilliant but regressions are not exactly uncommon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Until just a few weeks ago - when I built for myself a new 64-bit system
>>>>> - I was using a 32-bit system which I built ~7 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> In that period I have used/installed quite a number of Linux distros and
>>>>> have never really had any hassles with any of them. Sure, when trying
>>>>> out some beta, or something earlier, then I could get into a hassle - as
>>>>> expected when you dealing with something like a beta - but nothing was
>>>>> ever "fatal"; annoying yes, but not "fatal".
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps it could be said that for some 7 years I led a 'magical' life
>>>>> with little problems re Linux software - ESPECIALLY as I am a
>>>>> "always-keeping-up-to-date" freak. If it is the latest, I will install
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> While you are correct in saying that, "If it ain't broke don't fix it",
>>>>> you surely have to acknowledge that when a system is declared as no
>>>>> longer supported and that some application has been upgraded because of
>>>>> security (and other) reasons then it is time to "move with the times"
>>>>> and install the latest software?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or are you happy to argue that running Kubuntu version 5.04 is quite
>>>>> acceptable? Or having Windows 3.1.1 still acceptable to run by those who
>>>>> are MS zealots?
>>>>>
>>>>> The OP said that he is running Kubuntu 10.10 which has now reached its
>>>>> EOL. He is also using Firefox 9 (latest version 12, with 15.0.x being
>>>>> tested). And with this combination he is having problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> He may be having hassles because what he tried to update did not agree
>>>>> with the now unsupported Kubuntu 10.10. I don't really know, but it is a
>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> To find which is the case he should upgrade from Kubuntu 10.10 - and see
>>>>> if his system cannot handle it; in which case he can then decide why
>>>>> this is so and ask questions about how to go about solving his problem.
>>>>> I say this because I don't believe that Ray can be using such an ancient
>>>>> computer which could not handle something like Kubuntu v 11.04 at least.
>>>>> If it now handling 10.10 then it can handle 11.04.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> this is kind of a philosophical discussion but for starters the Windows
>>>> 3.1 can not be compared to *buntu 10.10. It is more than 10 years
>>>> between them. However, if I still had a 80286 pc somewhere I would not
>>>> throw anything newer than w95 at it.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3ODQ
>>>> states what I am hinting at. For "older" computers (in this case more
>>>> than 2 years) you are better off with older versions of the distro. I
>>>> have a Dell Inspiron 6400 that runs slick on 10.10 and get various
>>>> graphic driver issues with newer distros. I currently own a HP laptop
>>>> that can not be used with anything older than 11.04 due to hardware
>>>> (again the bloody graphics) issues.
>>>>
>>>> Security is only one part of the formula. Any linux distro is better
>>>> than most version of Windows at whatever age. Updating to later versions
>>>> of Open/Libre office and Firefox or Chrome can be done via their
>>>> download sites, repositories are not the only way of upgrading
>>>> applications.
>>>>
>>>> So my oldest stays on 10.10 "no matter what" because then it operates
>>>> nicely. Newer versions chokes it and I do not have the energy to try out
>>>> x number of distros that might be better suited for the hardware. The
>>>> newest lappy is now on 12.04 and from how it looks might stay on that as
>>>> now "almost everything" works as can be expected from the hardware.
>>>>
>>>> If I ever buy a Ivy or Sandy or something a newer release will likely be
>>>> needed.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Sinclair
>>>>
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>
> Sinclair,
>
> No I want to stay with 9.0?
>
> ray
>
There should be an apt-get command (or if you use synaptics, I don't 
remember kpackagekit myself) to "park" a package and not get updates for 
it. Exactly how to do it I recommend you read man pages for apt-get and 
use internet search engines as I don't remember. Am now using Muon 
myself, it has a function for that.



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