From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 01:17:32 2010 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:17:32 +0700 Subject: bug In-Reply-To: <4CA489B7.40802@math.dartmouth.edu> References: <4CA489B7.40802@math.dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Sarunas Burdulis wrote: > > sudo apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-desktop Could try without --reinstall first to avoid doownloading many packages: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop DK From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Fri Oct 1 13:02:55 2010 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Wootton) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:02:55 +0100 Subject: Question fresh install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CA5DBFF.2020107@btinternet.com> On 30/09/10 19:21, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: >> Dear all, >> > >> > I have a production machine that was my first-ever 100% linux machine. I >> > started with Kubuntu 8.04 and during the past two years I have just >> > upgraded the OS and now I run with 10.04.1., KDE 4.5.1. >> > >> > All is fine but due to the fact that this was my 'first-ever-machine' with >> > linux (now my whole office with 7 PCs is with Kubuntu), I was using it to >> > experiment everything that I wanted to try. As I am not expert, I found >> > out that after two years it started to work rather slow. For example, the >> > login takes about 1,5-2 minutes, after opening Kontact, I need to wait for >> > about 5-8 minutes for some disk-work that blocks everything, etc. >> > >> > So I decided to do a fresh install soon after 10.10 is available with /home >> > on a separate partition. My question is what should I do to preserve all >> > my work on that machine (which is my primary office production machine)? >> > I do back-ups every week. It is obvious that I will need to copy back all >> > files from my Documents, Pictures and all the rest visible directories >> > under /home. Also to follow some of the instruction to migrate my >> > mails/addresses/calendar entries into the new install. >> > >> > What else? Any advice that will make my life easier is appreciated. >> > AFAIK, IMHO, you need to backup the entire Home directory, hidden files > included, in which all settings are stored. > > Regards, > -- Valter R You might also look to see if you have a /opt directory - I have some applications that install themselves here by default. I always install onto an empty HD or partition, never do an upgrade. And then copy only /home directories back onto the new system. The 'dot' files(invisible files and directories) I'm very, very careful to restore only those that I need - only mail, mail addresses, bookmarks for instance. If I find any application not working how I want, I look at the relevant setup file in the backup, compare it with what the new install has set in, and edit the new setup file piecemeal. I find it very dangerous to blanket restore all the 'dot' files, too many have caused chaos in the past. brian From mdarafat2008 at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 02:21:22 2010 From: mdarafat2008 at gmail.com (arafat sultan) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:21:22 +0600 Subject: Hello Message-ID: Hi, just Now i registered in this mailing list. How are you all? I expect all of your's cooperation. From mdarafat2008 at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 02:32:10 2010 From: mdarafat2008 at gmail.com (mdarafat2008 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:32:10 +0600 Subject: Hello Message-ID: <1629.970540330@gmail.com> I am new here. I want to know about kde. Please help me. From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 04:44:02 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:44:02 -0400 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <1629.970540330@gmail.com> References: <1629.970540330@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1286081042.23727.21.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 08:32 +0600, mdarafat2008 at gmail.com wrote: > I am new here. I want to know about kde. Please help me. I just tried to send the Internet to your email address, but gmail has a 20meg upload limit. So, maybe you better narrow that request down to a few specifics. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From gheskett at wdtv.com Sun Oct 3 14:27:04 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:27:04 -0400 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <1286081042.23727.21.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1629.970540330@gmail.com> <1286081042.23727.21.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010031027.04409.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Sunday, October 03, 2010 10:24:21 am Ric Moore did opine: > On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 08:32 +0600, mdarafat2008 at gmail.com wrote: > > I am new here. I want to know about kde. Please help me. > > I just tried to send the Internet to your email address, but gmail has a > 20meg upload limit. So, maybe you better narrow that request down to a > few specifics. :) Ric Shirley, you jest sir. :) That said, to the OP, a simple google search should find you more than a few gigabytes of reading about kde. Terabytes even. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish. -- Aeschylus From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Oct 3 14:52:08 2010 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:52:08 +0800 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <201010031027.04409.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <1629.970540330@gmail.com> <1286081042.23727.21.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010031027.04409.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <4CA89898.4040802@gmx.com> On Sunday 03,October,2010 10:27 PM, gene heskett wrote: > Shirley, you jest sir.:) Jean, you shouldn't make fun of people's names. Regards - Goh Lip -- Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate. From gheskett at wdtv.com Sun Oct 3 15:42:43 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:42:43 -0400 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <4CA89898.4040802@gmx.com> References: <1629.970540330@gmail.com> <201010031027.04409.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CA89898.4040802@gmx.com> Message-ID: <201010031142.43914.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:39:02 am Goh Lip did opine: > On Sunday 03,October,2010 10:27 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > Shirley, you jest sir.:) > > Jean, you shouldn't make fun of people's names. > > Regards - Goh Lip Chuckle, gee, why not? With an opening line like that from Ric? (VBG) Ric and I go back longer than either of us have been on this list. We are both long term members of another list that only has one rule, there are no rules. It tends to spill over. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Slous' Contention: If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. From valtermura at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 16:21:03 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:21:03 +0200 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <1629.970540330@gmail.com> References: <1629.970540330@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010031821.04389.valtermura@gmail.com> In data domenica 3 ottobre 2010 04:32:10, mdarafat2008 at gmail.com ha scritto: > I am new here. I want to know about kde. Please help me. Hi, take a look: www.kde.org Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Sun Oct 3 17:22:06 2010 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Wootton) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:22:06 +0100 Subject: Graphics configuration to configure a static address for my, wired connection (Christophe Guilbert) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CA8BBBE.1010608@btinternet.com> On 03/10/10 15:27, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > One of the first things I do after installing a distro is give the > network a static address (to fit nicely in my network). When starting > the Knetwork configuration manager I was looking for my wired > connection – and it just was not there! Using the graphics > configuration to configure a static address for my wired connection is > simply impossible. > Googling this issues shows that the bug has been addressed but never > corrected. I could not see any alternative to setup a static IP in the > kubuntu documentation > > Sure I can use a terminal and change the setting by myself. To tell > you the truth it could just turn away people from using KDE. > This is a basic thing you should be able to do without googling it, > like we use to do under KDE3. > I spent more than 10 years with KDE, I did convert more than 20 people > to use linux/kde as their only OS. I am really thinking of moving to a > different desktop now. > KDE4 is just a beautiful (if not the most beautiful desktop out > there), but for me , functionality prime over beauty . it is totally > useless if you constantly need to google to do things that are as > basic as setting a static IP address. why this problem has not been > corrected since kubuntu 10.04 came out ? > > Maybe I miss something here , do you know how to do it under knetwork > (which is the network manager installed by default) > > Thanks for any help. > > Chris I'm running kubuntu 10.04.1, all my ip addresses are static. I invented my own /etc/hosts, installed it on all machines and then used KNetworkManager where necessary using the manual setup - works fine - has done for years. Not forgetting the router of course, have to make sure it agrees with your /etc/hosts. One of my machines is running wince 7 and even it seems to be happy. brian From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Oct 3 17:36:15 2010 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 01:36:15 +0800 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <201010031142.43914.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <1629.970540330@gmail.com> <201010031027.04409.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CA89898.4040802@gmx.com> <201010031142.43914.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <4CA8BF0F.5000505@gmx.com> On Sunday 03,October,2010 11:42 PM, gene heskett wrote: > Chuckle, gee, why not? With an opening line like that from Ric? (VBG) > Ric and I go back longer than either of us have been on this list. We are > both long term members of another list that only has one rule, there are no > rules. It tends to spill over. Yeah, it shows too. So, I'll leave you ladies for now before I get infected. :) - and before MamaRok kicks all of us out, and she's definitely one heck of a lady - Cheers, Myriam. Prost! ;) Regards - Goh Lip -- From theunknownandrew at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 18:21:56 2010 From: theunknownandrew at gmail.com (& RU Chelladurai) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 23:51:56 +0530 Subject: Unable to install Akonadi Google resource package from repos Message-ID: <201010032351.56225.theunknownandrew@gmail.com> Hi people, Does anyone know why the Google Akonadi Resource package is not available or unresolvable from the Karmic India repos server, while others work fine. Below is what I get when I try to install it andrew@ ~ sudo aptitude -y install akonadi-kde-resource-googledata [sudo] password for andrew: {...snipped...} The following NEW packages will be installed: akonadi-kde-resource-googledata libgcal0{a} 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 126kB of archives. After unpacking 610kB will be used. Writing extended state information... Done Err http://in.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe libgcal0 0.9.2-1 Could not connect to in.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (111.91.91.37), connection timed out Err http://in.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe akonadi-kde-resource-googledata 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 Unable to connect to in.archive.ubuntu.com http: E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libg/libgcal/libgcal0_0.9.2-1_i386.deb: Could not connect to in.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (111.91.91.37), connection timed out {...snipped...} Versions andrew@ ~ cat /etc/issue;uname -a; kde4-menu --version Ubuntu 9.10 \n \l Linux thishost 2.6.31-22-generic #65-Ubuntu SMP Thu Sep 16 15:48:58 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux Qt: 4.5.2 KDE: 4.3.2 (KDE 4.3.2) kde-menu: 1.0 andrew@ ~ My repos server is currently set the one in India, and have not checked switching it to another yet. I also got a 100% packet loss when pinging it andrew@ ~ ping in.archive.ubuntu.com PING ubuntuarchive.hnsdc.com (111.91.91.37) 56(84) bytes of data. ^C --- ubuntuarchive.hnsdc.com ping statistics --- 20 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 19150ms andrew@ ~ However I am able to install other packages from the repos without issues. So I just want to confirm if its an issue on my system, or a general one. Else if this is not an issue with Kubuntu, then let me know and I will post @ KDE -- & RU Chelladurai d~_*b From claydoh at claydoh.com Sun Oct 3 21:22:33 2010 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:22:33 -0400 Subject: Unable to install Akonadi Google resource package from repos In-Reply-To: <201010032351.56225.theunknownandrew@gmail.com> References: <201010032351.56225.theunknownandrew@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010031722.33630.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Sunday, October 03, 2010 02:21:56 pm & RU Chelladurai wrote: > Hi people, > > Does anyone know why the Google Akonadi Resource package is not available > or unresolvable from the Karmic India repos server, while others work > fine. > > Below is what I get when I try to install it > > andrew@ ~ sudo aptitude -y install akonadi-kde-resource-googledata > [sudo] password for andrew: > {...snipped...} > The following NEW packages will be installed: > akonadi-kde-resource-googledata libgcal0{a} > 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 126kB of archives. After unpacking 610kB will be used. > Writing extended state information... Done > Err http://in.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe libgcal0 0.9.2-1 > Could not connect to in.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (111.91.91.37), connection > timed out > Err http://in.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe > akonadi-kde-resource-googledata 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 > Unable to connect to in.archive.ubuntu.com http: > E: Failed to fetch > http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libg/libgcal/libgcal0_0.9 > .2-1_i386.deb: Could not connect to in.archive.ubuntu.com:80 > (111.91.91.37), connection timed out > {...snipped...} > > Versions > > andrew@ ~ cat /etc/issue;uname -a; kde4-menu --version > Ubuntu 9.10 \n \l > > Linux thishost 2.6.31-22-generic #65-Ubuntu SMP Thu Sep 16 15:48:58 UTC > 2010 i686 GNU/Linux > Qt: 4.5.2 > KDE: 4.3.2 (KDE 4.3.2) > kde-menu: 1.0 > andrew@ ~ > > My repos server is currently set the one in India, and have not checked > switching it to another yet. I also got a 100% packet loss when pinging it > andrew@ ~ ping in.archive.ubuntu.com > PING ubuntuarchive.hnsdc.com (111.91.91.37) 56(84) bytes of data. > ^C > --- ubuntuarchive.hnsdc.com ping statistics --- > 20 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 19150ms > andrew@ ~ > > However I am able to install other packages from the repos without issues. > So I just want to confirm if its an issue on my system, or a general one. > > Else if this is not an issue with Kubuntu, then let me know and I will > post @ KDE It looks like your mirror is down. It is not an Ubuntu/Kubuntu issue, it is just that the machines hosting the Ubuntu repos in your region are having problems. You definitely want to try a different one. The mirror also seems to host a number of other distros' archives as well, so many people are probably unable to update using this mirror. Clay From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Oct 3 22:55:00 2010 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:55:00 -0400 Subject: Launchpad Message-ID: <201010031855.01231.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> I just installed 10.10 on two AMD64 machines and had the same problem each time with the installer. It dies while I manually was trying to select my partitions. (which I always do) Since I had this same problem with Lucid, I figured it was time to file a report. Nope. I've been to launchpad several times and just cannot seem to find the method to file a report. Yes, I have an account. But when logging in it either sends me to a long tutorial on "How to file a report", or to my preferences page, or anywhere else, and when I clicked on one page which looked hopeful, it died at the server saying it had a problem. This launchpad stuff is just not intuitive and I'm sorry, I'll just have to live with the problem along with the rest of us. Oh, well, maybe I'm a newbie at this. 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Using the graphics > configuration to configure a static address for my wired connection is > simply impossible. > Googling this issues shows that the bug has been addressed but never > corrected. I could not see any alternative to setup a static IP in the > kubuntu documentation Does editing /etc/network/interfaces work? Please see below link: http://nosrednaekim.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/static-networking-in-kubuntu-804-kde4/ DK From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 01:10:41 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:10:41 -0400 Subject: Launchpad In-Reply-To: <201010031855.01231.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <201010031855.01231.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <1286154641.4467.43.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 18:55 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: > This launchpad stuff is just not intuitive and I'm sorry, I'll just > have to live with the problem along with the rest of us. Fedora's Bug Trak system was as bad, even worse. I haven't seen one yet without a steep learning curve. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From claydoh at claydoh.com Mon Oct 4 01:45:14 2010 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:45:14 -0400 Subject: Launchpad In-Reply-To: <1286154641.4467.43.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010031855.01231.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1286154641.4467.43.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010032145.15723.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Sunday, October 03, 2010 09:10:41 pm Ric Moore wrote: > On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 18:55 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > This launchpad stuff is just not intuitive and I'm sorry, I'll just > > have to live with the problem along with the rest of us. > > Fedora's Bug Trak system was as bad, even worse. I haven't seen one yet > without a steep learning curve. Ric +1 on that. From either https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs or https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting you can file bugs using the built-in tools, though if the installer crashes, how would you do that? The direct link to the bug reporting page is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect The package name you want is ubiquity-kde, I think. Clay From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Oct 4 01:56:47 2010 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:56:47 -0400 Subject: Launchpad In-Reply-To: <201010032145.15723.claydoh@claydoh.com> References: <201010031855.01231.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1286154641.4467.43.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010032145.15723.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <201010032156.47870.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday, October 03, 2010, Clay Weber wrote: > The direct link to the bug reporting page is: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect > The package name you want is ubiquity-kde, I think. Thanks for this, but this happened during the install.... and I don't think it has to do with KDE.... I was trying to manually select partitions and after anywhere from 6 to 14 partitions, it bombs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claydoh at claydoh.com Mon Oct 4 02:10:52 2010 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 22:10:52 -0400 Subject: Launchpad In-Reply-To: <201010032156.47870.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <201010031855.01231.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <201010032145.15723.claydoh@claydoh.com> <201010032156.47870.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <201010032210.52652.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Sunday, October 03, 2010 09:56:47 pm Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday, October 03, 2010, Clay Weber wrote: > > The direct link to the bug reporting page is: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect > > The package name you want is ubiquity-kde, I think. > > Thanks for this, but this happened during the install.... and I don't > think it has to do with KDE.... I was trying to manually select > partitions and after anywhere from 6 to 14 partitions, it bombs. It still could be the installer (ubiquity-kde - an Ubuntu/Kubuntu-specific package). If you start the report, it will offer you existing ones that may match what you are experiencing. This might give you some useful info, and you can at least add your "this bug affects me" to one if it is what you have. Clay From blchupin at iinet.net.au Mon Oct 4 09:10:38 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:10:38 +1100 Subject: Launchpad In-Reply-To: <201010032156.47870.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <201010031855.01231.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1286154641.4467.43.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010032145.15723.claydoh@claydoh.com> <201010032156.47870.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <4CA99A0E.50602@iinet.net.au> On 04/10/2010 12:56, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > On Sunday, October 03, 2010, Clay Weber wrote: > > > The direct link to the bug reporting page is: > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect > > > The package name you want is ubiquity-kde, I think. > > Thanks for this, but this happened during the install.... and I don't > think it has to do with KDE.... I was trying to manually select > partitions and after anywhere from 6 to 14 partitions, it bombs. > Bruce, as you know I use Ubuntu. I installed Maverick RC1 (10.10) earlier. I always install as a new install and always use the manual (expert) option to install when it comes to partitioning. I have 12 partitions in total on the 2 HDDs I always use. I had - nor ever had - any troubles in having the installer in Ubuntu to correctly recognise, format, and/or assign mount points to each of these partitions. The only difference I can see here is that you are referring to a KDE 64-bit system while I have the 32-bit Ubuntu system. Perhaps somewhere here lies the answer? FYI. BC -- "So where's the Cannes Film Festival being held this year?" Christina Aquilera From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Oct 6 03:48:06 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 23:48:06 -0400 Subject: Question re sata cables Message-ID: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> Greetings; I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am having lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and reconnects/resets virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in and just touching any of the cables will fill a couple pages of the messages log. Has anyone else encountered this, and if so where did you obtain the replacement cables that stopped this particular PITA. Or, are we stuck with it till the "Next Great Thing"(TM) comes out? Thanks all. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Ambiguity: Telling the truth when you don't mean to. From ken_larkman at yahoo.com Wed Oct 6 04:00:38 2010 From: ken_larkman at yahoo.com (Ken Larkman) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <129628.41926.qm@web120013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: gene heskett > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 9:48:06 PM > Subject: Question re sata cables > > Greetings; > > I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am having > lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and reconnects/resets > virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in and just touching any of > the cables will fill a couple pages of the messages log. What version of SATA? I would spend the money and try different cables. All cables are not created equal in quality and it may be worth the experiment to see what changes with the cables. If its just loose connections, a dab of hot glue *may* help. -ken From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Oct 6 04:23:12 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:23:12 -0400 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <129628.41926.qm@web120013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <129628.41926.qm@web120013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201010060023.12976.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:08:24 am Ken Larkman did opine: > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: gene heskett > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 9:48:06 PM > > Subject: Question re sata cables > > > > Greetings; > > > > I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am > > having lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and > > reconnects/resets virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in > > and just touching any of the cables will fill a couple pages of the > > messages log. > > What version of SATA? 3 Gb/s if the drive supports it. I think 2 of them are 1.5Gb/s, the dvd writer and an old Hitachi Deathstar that refuses to properly upchuck like most of them did. > I would spend the money and try different cables. Cables generally come with drives, so I do have some spares. I'll see how my knee feels about crawling under the desk tomorrow. I have one that isn't too enthusiastic about such activities after 76 years of abuse, dislocating itself quite easily. But, it also pops back in just as easy, and being diabetic, the pain is tolerable when it does go out. > All cables are not created equal in quality and it may be worth the > experiment to see what changes with the cables. If its just loose > connections, a dab of hot glue *may* help. Looking at the new ones I just pulled out of the plastic bag, I am not convinced the gold flashing on the contact wires is good for more than a couple of plug/unplug cycles, no color to speak of. What a cheap connector those things are. > -ken -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One to hold the giraffe and one to fill the bathtub with brightly colored power tools. From ken_larkman at yahoo.com Wed Oct 6 05:01:27 2010 From: ken_larkman at yahoo.com (Ken Larkman) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <201010060023.12976.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <129628.41926.qm@web120013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <201010060023.12976.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <952730.5636.qm@web120009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: gene heskett > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 10:23:12 PM > Subject: Re: Question re sata cables > > On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:08:24 am Ken Larkman did opine: > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > > From: gene heskett > > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 9:48:06 PM > > > Subject: Question re sata cables > > > > > > Greetings; > > > > > > I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am > > > having lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and > > > reconnects/resets virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in > > > and just touching any of the cables will fill a couple pages of the > > > messages log. > > > > What version of SATA? > > 3 Gb/s if the drive supports it. I think 2 of them are 1.5Gb/s, the dvd > writer and an old Hitachi Deathstar that refuses to properly upchuck like > most of them did. I was particularly thinking SATA I or SATA II. - ken From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 05:18:55 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:18:55 +1100 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <201010060023.12976.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <129628.41926.qm@web120013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <201010060023.12976.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <4CAC06BF.3060901@iinet.net.au> On 06/10/2010 15:23, gene heskett wrote: [pruned] \ > Cables generally come with drives, so I do have some spares. I'll see how > my knee feels about crawling under the desk tomorrow. I have one that > isn't too enthusiastic about such activities Know how you feel. Which is why I have the computer sitting on a Laminex covered board which makes it very easy to slide the computer from under the desk (the floor is carpeted) or, as I did for a friend, whose floor is simply polished, I put the computer on an old towel. The only crawling I need to do is to disconnect/reconnect the cables but all the work is done with the computer sitting on the breakfast bench in the kitchen. [pruned] > Looking at the new ones I just pulled out of the plastic bag, I am not > convinced the gold flashing on the contact wires is good for more than a > couple of plug/unplug cycles, no color to speak of. What a cheap connector > those things are. > I have never been impressed with this "gold" plated stuff. What's UNDER the "gold" plate? The following comment probably does not apply nowadays but years ago a brand of 80-wire cables went on sale - and people started to experience strange problems with their HDs and data..... Reason? The cables were too long (they were marketed as providing you with more cable length to make it easier to connect the bits to the mobo). At that length the cables caused what I think was called "bounce" or "echo" or some such. Normal cables were designed to be only so long as to not cause distortion to the signal to/from the HD but these cables were too long (only by about 25mm I think). BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Oct 6 05:44:44 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 01:44:44 -0400 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <952730.5636.qm@web120009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010060023.12976.gheskett@wdtv.com> <952730.5636.qm@web120009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201010060144.45137.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 01:34:36 am Ken Larkman did opine: > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: gene heskett > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 10:23:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Question re sata cables > > > > On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:08:24 am Ken Larkman did opine: > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > > > > From: gene heskett > > > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 9:48:06 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Question re sata cables > > > > > > > > Greetings; > > > > > > > > I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I > > > > am > > > > > > > > having lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and > > > > reconnects/resets virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching > > > > in > > > > > > > > and just touching any of the cables will fill a couple pages of > > > > the messages log. > > > > > > What version of SATA? > > > > 3 Gb/s if the drive supports it. I think 2 of them are 1.5Gb/s, the > > dvd writer and an old Hitachi Deathstar that refuses to properly > > upchuck like most of them did. > > I was particularly thinking SATA I or SATA II. > > - ken The mobo manual says "Serial ATA II 3.0 Gb/s" for both the 6 NVIDIA 570 sockets, and for the JMicron Raid controller's 2 sockets which is not being used. So I could attach as many as 8 drives, currently 6 but one is a FreeAgent Go on a usb cable. And I just found the last 6 usb sockets, it has 10 total. That may help reduce the proliferation of hubs a bit, it will not reliably detect whats on the third hub out. My usb suffers from a bad case of urban sprawl, going clear to the basement, but that's another problem and subject for another message when I find that famous round tuit. I might even have to make those. ;-) Thanks Ken. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) All progress is based upon a universal innate desire of every organism to live beyond its income. -- Samuel Butler, "Notebooks" From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Oct 6 06:00:38 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 02:00:38 -0400 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <4CAC06BF.3060901@iinet.net.au> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010060023.12976.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CAC06BF.3060901@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <201010060200.38932.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 01:45:49 am Basil Chupin did opine: > On 06/10/2010 15:23, gene heskett wrote: > > [pruned] > \ > > > Cables generally come with drives, so I do have some spares. I'll see > > how my knee feels about crawling under the desk tomorrow. I have one > > that isn't too enthusiastic about such activities > > Know how you feel. Which is why I have the computer sitting on a Laminex > covered board which makes it very easy to slide the computer from under > the desk (the floor is carpeted) or, as I did for a friend, whose floor > is simply polished, I put the computer on an old towel. The only > crawling I need to do is to disconnect/reconnect the cables but all the > work is done with the computer sitting on the breakfast bench in the > kitchen. > > [pruned] > > > Looking at the new ones I just pulled out of the plastic bag, I am not > > convinced the gold flashing on the contact wires is good for more than > > a couple of plug/unplug cycles, no color to speak of. What a cheap > > connector those things are. > > I have never been impressed with this "gold" plated stuff. What's UNDER > the "gold" plate? > > The following comment probably does not apply nowadays but years ago a > brand of 80-wire cables went on sale - and people started to experience > strange problems with their HDs and data..... > > Reason? The cables were too long (they were marketed as providing you > with more cable length to make it easier to connect the bits to the > mobo). At that length the cables caused what I think was called "bounce" > or "echo" or some such. Normal cables were designed to be only so long > as to not cause distortion to the signal to/from the HD but these cables > were too long (only by about 25mm I think). > > BC Chuckle, yep. As a broadcast engineer, I've been dealing with VSWR for about 50 years & every twice in a while, specially when scsi was _the_ only way, I'd publish about a 3 page tome on the proper care and feeding of the transmission line known as SCSI. One little known fact is that its cable, if properly terminated, can be run as far as 39 meters! Unforch, the darned bean counters between the engineers and the production floor never understood that it needed those high priced active terminations to make anything more than 6" long work truly correct. So they used the passive resistor packs, which are typically +-20%. The results were 100% predictable, and not even sacrificing virgins would make them work until someone who understood transmission lines fixed it. Actually, there are two problems there, the second one being the the cheap SI diode used for power buss isolation, should have been either a germanium, or better yet a schotky(sp?) because the SI's .7 volts loss kills any logic one noise margin it ever had. Gah, got me started, sorry. I'll shut up. Thanks Basil. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "You show me an American who can keep his mouth shut and I'll eat him." -- Newspaperman from Frank Capra's _Meet_John_Doe_ From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 06:17:31 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:17:31 +0200 Subject: fingerprint reader Message-ID: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a laptop working for identification/password purposes? I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very informative on how to go about this. Kind regards, Sinclair From stan10x10 at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 06:36:26 2010 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 23:36:26 -0700 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:48 PM, gene heskett wrote: > Greetings; > > I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am having > lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and reconnects/resets > virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in and just touching any of > the cables will fill a couple pages of the messages log. > > Has anyone else encountered this, and if so where did you obtain the > replacement cables that stopped this particular PITA. Or, are we stuck > with it till the "Next Great Thing"(TM) comes out? > > Thanks all. > > -- > I have an old asus p5 motherboard and the 95 cent no name cables work fine even on the 2 300 gig wd raptors only have problems when I futz around inside case and forget to make sure everything is still plugged in. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 06:57:49 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:57:49 +1100 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <201010060200.38932.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010060023.12976.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CAC06BF.3060901@iinet.net.au> <201010060200.38932.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <4CAC1DED.7000101@iinet.net.au> On 06/10/2010 17:00, gene heskett wrote: [pruned] > Chuckle, yep. As a broadcast engineer, I've been dealing with VSWR for > about 50 years& every twice in a while, specially when scsi was _the_ only > way, I'd publish about a 3 page tome on the proper care and feeding of the > transmission line known as SCSI. > [pruned] > Gah, got me started, sorry. I'll shut up. > No, no, don't stop because of that :-) . Kids if asked nowadays, "Where is North America"? will most likely answer, "Isn't it somewhere in south Africa?". > Thanks Basil. > No, thank *you* for the info above. BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 07:06:45 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:06:45 +1100 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: > Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a > laptop working for identification/password purposes? > > I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very > informative on how to go about this. > > Kind regards, > Sinclair > Sorry, "O" but I don't think you have really tried. Have you tried Google with "fingerprint reader + laptop" and even adding "...+ linux" if you are using, say, Ubuntu"? There are some 1.13million "hits" to the first search option. Surley one of them would answer your question, no? BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 07:24:27 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:24:27 +0200 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4CAC242B.6050905@gmail.com> On 06/10/2010 09:06, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >> laptop working for identification/password purposes? >> >> I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very >> informative on how to go about this. >> >> Kind regards, >> Sinclair >> > > Sorry, "O" but I don't think you have really tried. > > Have you tried Google with "fingerprint reader + laptop" and even adding > "...+ linux" if you are using, say, Ubuntu"? > > There are some 1.13million "hits" to the first search option. Surley one > of them would answer your question, no? > Sure I found a few but none relating to KDE so I hoped someone on the list would have tried /Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 07:24:58 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:24:58 +0200 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4CAC244A.9060109@gmail.com> On 06/10/2010 09:06, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >> laptop working for identification/password purposes? >> >> I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very >> informative on how to go about this. >> >> Kind regards, >> Sinclair >> > > Sorry, "O" but I don't think you have really tried. > > Have you tried Google with "fingerprint reader + laptop" and even adding > "...+ linux" if you are using, say, Ubuntu"? > > There are some 1.13million "hits" to the first search option. Surley one > of them would answer your question, no? > > BC > And given this is a Kubuntu list - yes I do use Kubuntu 10.04 Sinclair From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 07:42:16 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:42:16 +1100 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC242B.6050905@gmail.com> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> <4CAC242B.6050905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CAC2858.6020300@iinet.net.au> On 06/10/2010 18:24, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 06/10/2010 09:06, Basil Chupin wrote: > >> On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: >> >>> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >>> laptop working for identification/password purposes? >>> >>> I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very >>> informative on how to go about this. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Sinclair >>> >>> >> Sorry, "O" but I don't think you have really tried. >> >> Have you tried Google with "fingerprint reader + laptop" and even adding >> "...+ linux" if you are using, say, Ubuntu"? >> >> There are some 1.13million "hits" to the first search option. Surley one >> of them would answer your question, no? >> >> > Sure I found a few but none relating to KDE so I hoped someone on the > list would have tried > OK, how about "fingrprint reader + laptop + KDE"? 28,700 hits. None good? Or how about: https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=fingerprint+reader+%2B+kde ? Anything there? BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 07:47:42 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 03:47:42 -0400 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <1286351262.25077.335.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 23:48 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > Greetings; > > I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am having > lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and reconnects/resets > virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in and just touching any of > the cables will fill a couple pages of the messages log. > > Has anyone else encountered this, and if so where did you obtain the > replacement cables that stopped this particular PITA. Or, are we stuck > with it till the "Next Great Thing"(TM) comes out? I had to put a dab of silicon at the connection. The socket male/female connection is dicey. That fixes it. A loose solder connection was suggested, but if that was the case, the silicon fix wouldn't have fixed it. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 07:48:21 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:48:21 +1100 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC244A.9060109@gmail.com> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> <4CAC244A.9060109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CAC29C5.1060208@iinet.net.au> On 06/10/2010 18:24, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 06/10/2010 09:06, Basil Chupin wrote: > >> On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: >> >>> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >>> laptop working for identification/password purposes? >>> >>> I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very >>> informative on how to go about this. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Sinclair >>> >>> >> Sorry, "O" but I don't think you have really tried. >> >> Have you tried Google with "fingerprint reader + laptop" and even adding >> "...+ linux" if you are using, say, Ubuntu"? >> >> There are some 1.13million "hits" to the first search option. Surley one >> of them would answer your question, no? >> >> BC >> >> > And given this is a Kubuntu list - yes I do use Kubuntu 10.04 > But Kubuntu *IS* Linux isn't it? BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 6 07:50:02 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:50:02 +0200 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010060950.02320.kassube@gmx.net> O. Sinclair wrote: > Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a > laptop working for identification/password purposes? I'd rather ask why anybody wants to do it and if it is useful to use such a thing for identification pruposes at all. When I had a broken arm last year I couldn't use my right hand. I could easily type my password with the left hand though. Now imagine I had locked my machine to a finger of my right hand … OTOH, of course your question is valid because some laptops have a fingerprint reader built-in and the hardware should work even if it is not useful. Do you want to make an existing thing work? Then please provide some more details of the laptop in question. Nils From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 08:16:09 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:16:09 +0200 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <201010060950.02320.kassube@gmx.net> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <201010060950.02320.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4CAC3049.5010107@gmail.com> On 06/10/2010 09:50, Nils Kassube wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >> laptop working for identification/password purposes? > > I'd rather ask why anybody wants to do it and if it is useful to use > such a thing for identification pruposes at all. When I had a broken arm > last year I couldn't use my right hand. I could easily type my password > with the left hand though. Now imagine I had locked my machine to a > finger of my right hand … > > OTOH, of course your question is valid because some laptops have a > fingerprint reader built-in and the hardware should work even if it is > not useful. Do you want to make an existing thing work? Then please > provide some more details of the laptop in question. As I understand it does not rely on fingerprint only but if that fails a number of times it falls back to password. And yes, I have a Dell Vostro 3300 with reader built-in and am curious as to see if it works and if so, how well or not-so-good Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 08:16:48 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:16:48 +0200 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC29C5.1060208@iinet.net.au> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> <4CAC244A.9060109@gmail.com> <4CAC29C5.1060208@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4CAC3070.1000807@gmail.com> On 06/10/2010 09:48, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 06/10/2010 18:24, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 06/10/2010 09:06, Basil Chupin wrote: >> >>> On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> >>>> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >>>> laptop working for identification/password purposes? >>>> >>>> I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very >>>> informative on how to go about this. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Sinclair >>>> >>>> >>> Sorry, "O" but I don't think you have really tried. >>> >>> Have you tried Google with "fingerprint reader + laptop" and even adding >>> "...+ linux" if you are using, say, Ubuntu"? >>> >>> There are some 1.13million "hits" to the first search option. Surley one >>> of them would answer your question, no? >>> >>> BC >>> >>> >> And given this is a Kubuntu list - yes I do use Kubuntu 10.04 >> > > But Kubuntu *IS* Linux isn't it? > > BC > Not that it is my business but did you wake up on the wrong side or something? Best Sinclair From cary at bielenberg.id.au Wed Oct 6 08:32:49 2010 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:32:49 +1000 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC3070.1000807@gmail.com> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> <4CAC244A.9060109@gmail.com> <4CAC29C5.1060208@iinet.net.au> <4CAC3070.1000807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CAC3431.8050503@bielenberg.id.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 08:42:47 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:42:47 +0200 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC3431.8050503@bielenberg.id.au> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> <4CAC244A.9060109@gmail.com> <4CAC29C5.1060208@iinet.net.au> <4CAC3070.1000807@gmail.com> <4CAC3431.8050503@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <4CAC3687.5090709@gmail.com> On 06/10/2010 10:32, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > > > On 06/10/10 18:16, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 06/10/2010 09:48, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> On 06/10/2010 18:24, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> On 06/10/2010 09:06, Basil Chupin wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >>>>>> laptop working for identification/password purposes? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very >>>>>> informative on how to go about this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> Sinclair >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Sorry, "O" but I don't think you have really tried. >>>>> >>>>> Have you tried Google with "fingerprint reader + laptop" and even adding >>>>> "...+ linux" if you are using, say, Ubuntu"? >>>>> >>>>> There are some 1.13million "hits" to the first search option. Surley one >>>>> of them would answer your question, no? >>>>> >>>>> BC >>>>> >>>>> >>>> And given this is a Kubuntu list - yes I do use Kubuntu 10.04 >>>> >>> But Kubuntu *IS* Linux isn't it? >>> >>> BC >>> >> Not that it is my business but did you wake up on the wrong side or >> something? >> >> Best >> Sinclair >> > Ok there might be gazillions of references to fingerprint reader in > Goggle land but to my knowledge there is no support for Fingerprint > reader in KDE4. I used to have it working in 3.x but every new laptop I > buy I go through the paces of trying get them going but to no avail yet. > I have a bug reported at kde.org Yes it seems you are correct.. there is a looong thread on ubuntuforums I eventually found but frankly it does not seem worth the effort of even trying to get it working. Then there is this: http://blog.djaara.net/wordpress/kategorie/english/kfingermanager/ but it has no maintainer so Sergio has refused to incorporate it in KDE /Sinclair From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 08:57:30 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:57:30 +1100 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC3070.1000807@gmail.com> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> <4CAC244A.9060109@gmail.com> <4CAC29C5.1060208@iinet.net.au> <4CAC3070.1000807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CAC39FA.7010202@iinet.net.au> On 06/10/2010 19:16, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 06/10/2010 09:48, Basil Chupin wrote: > >> On 06/10/2010 18:24, O. Sinclair wrote: >> >>> On 06/10/2010 09:06, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >>>>> laptop working for identification/password purposes? >>>>> >>>>> I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very >>>>> informative on how to go about this. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> Sinclair >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Sorry, "O" but I don't think you have really tried. >>>> >>>> Have you tried Google with "fingerprint reader + laptop" and even adding >>>> "...+ linux" if you are using, say, Ubuntu"? >>>> >>>> There are some 1.13million "hits" to the first search option. Surley one >>>> of them would answer your question, no? >>>> >>>> BC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> And given this is a Kubuntu list - yes I do use Kubuntu 10.04 >>> >>> >> But Kubuntu *IS* Linux isn't it? >> >> BC >> >> > Not that it is my business but did you wake up on the wrong side or > something? > No. Had a perfectly good day - so far at least. But the question still stands: Kubuntu is Linux is it not? I have even been told in this list that Kubuntu uses the same repositories as Ubuntu and therefore uses *.deb files and not *.rpm files. I really don't understand what your remark is supposed to be about: an attempt at humour or a veiled backhander? BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 09:05:16 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:05:16 +1100 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC3687.5090709@gmail.com> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> <4CAC244A.9060109@gmail.com> <4CAC29C5.1060208@iinet.net.au> <4CAC3070.1000807@gmail.com> <4CAC3431.8050503@bielenberg.id.au> <4CAC3687.5090709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CAC3BCC.4060401@iinet.net.au> On 06/10/2010 19:42, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 06/10/2010 10:32, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > >> >> On 06/10/10 18:16, O. Sinclair wrote: >> >>> On 06/10/2010 09:48, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> >>>> On 06/10/2010 18:24, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 06/10/2010 09:06, Basil Chupin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >>>>>>> laptop working for identification/password purposes? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very >>>>>>> informative on how to go about this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> Sinclair >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, "O" but I don't think you have really tried. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you tried Google with "fingerprint reader + laptop" and even adding >>>>>> "...+ linux" if you are using, say, Ubuntu"? >>>>>> >>>>>> There are some 1.13million "hits" to the first search option. Surley one >>>>>> of them would answer your question, no? >>>>>> >>>>>> BC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> And given this is a Kubuntu list - yes I do use Kubuntu 10.04 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> But Kubuntu *IS* Linux isn't it? >>>> >>>> BC >>>> >>>> >>> Not that it is my business but did you wake up on the wrong side or >>> something? >>> >>> Best >>> Sinclair >>> >>> >> Ok there might be gazillions of references to fingerprint reader in >> Goggle land but to my knowledge there is no support for Fingerprint >> reader in KDE4. I used to have it working in 3.x but every new laptop I >> buy I go through the paces of trying get them going but to no avail yet. >> I have a bug reported at kde.org >> > Yes it seems you are correct.. there is a looong thread on ubuntuforums > I eventually found but frankly it does not seem worth the effort of even > trying to get it working. > > Then there is this: > http://blog.djaara.net/wordpress/kategorie/english/kfingermanager/ > but it has no maintainer so Sergio has refused to incorporate it in KDE > > /Sinclair > Sorry to read this. Is this confined to Kubuntu only or to all distros using KDE? BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. 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URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 09:23:35 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:23:35 +1100 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC3CE6.6090302@bielenberg.id.au> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> <4CAC244A.9060109@gmail.com> <4CAC29C5.1060208@iinet.net.au> <4CAC3070.1000807@gmail.com> <4CAC3431.8050503@bielenberg.id.au> <4CAC3687.5090709@gmail.com> <4CAC3BCC.4060401@iinet.net.au> <4CAC3CE6.6090302@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <4CAC4017.4000202@iinet.net.au> On 06/10/2010 20:09, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > > > On 06/10/10 19:05, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 06/10/2010 19:42, O. Sinclair wrote: >> >>> On 06/10/2010 10:32, Cary Bielenberg wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 06/10/10 18:16, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 06/10/2010 09:48, Basil Chupin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 06/10/2010 18:24, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 06/10/2010 09:06, Basil Chupin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >>>>>>>>> laptop working for identification/password purposes? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very >>>>>>>>> informative on how to go about this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>> Sinclair >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, "O" but I don't think you have really tried. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have you tried Google with "fingerprint reader + laptop" and even adding >>>>>>>> "...+ linux" if you are using, say, Ubuntu"? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are some 1.13million "hits" to the first search option. Surley one >>>>>>>> of them would answer your question, no? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> And given this is a Kubuntu list - yes I do use Kubuntu 10.04 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> But Kubuntu *IS* Linux isn't it? >>>>>> >>>>>> BC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Not that it is my business but did you wake up on the wrong side or >>>>> something? >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> Sinclair >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Ok there might be gazillions of references to fingerprint reader in >>>> Goggle land but to my knowledge there is no support for Fingerprint >>>> reader in KDE4. I used to have it working in 3.x but every new laptop I >>>> buy I go through the paces of trying get them going but to no avail yet. >>>> I have a bug reported at kde.org >>>> >>>> >>> Yes it seems you are correct.. there is a looong thread on ubuntuforums >>> I eventually found but frankly it does not seem worth the effort of even >>> trying to get it working. >>> >>> Then there is this: >>> http://blog.djaara.net/wordpress/kategorie/english/kfingermanager/ >>> but it has no maintainer so Sergio has refused to incorporate it in KDE >>> >>> /Sinclair >>> >>> >> Sorry to read this. >> >> Is this confined to Kubuntu only or to all distros using KDE? >> >> BC >> >> > Unfortunately it is all KDE4 derivatives. It seems that the KDE devs > don't see any merit in Fingerprint reader & also see it as a security > risk. The best we could do is see if the Kubuntu devs are willing to > take this project on. I see. Thanks for this piece of information. BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Wed Oct 6 09:28:41 2010 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Wootton) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:28:41 +0100 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CAC4149.1030103@btinternet.com> On 06/10/10 06:18, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Greetings; > > I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am having > lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and reconnects/resets > virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in and just touching any of > the cables will fill a couple pages of the messages log. > > Has anyone else encountered this, and if so where did you obtain the > replacement cables that stopped this particular PITA. Or, are we stuck > with it till the "Next Great Thing"(TM) comes out? > > Thanks all. > > I bought an amd64 Asus motherboard, and after a couple of months I started to get bunches of of error messages, random reboots and other hiccups, I could generate these just by banging the desktop enclosure I narrowed this down to tapping the HDD with a finger-nail. I took the drive out and had it tested in the workshop where I bought it and they gave me a new drive and cable set - haven't had any trouble since. The w/shop body just said the HDD failed their tests - wouldn't/couldn't tell me if it was HDD or cables. Anyway I changed the lot - still under warranty so didn't cost me nuffin' - except the time to re-install the OS of course. I've got 4 SATA channels on my motherboard, I tried all 4 with the old HDD and cables and got nowhere - have you tried a different one? brian From xeros at irc.pl Wed Oct 6 09:55:14 2010 From: xeros at irc.pl (Tomasz Czapiewski) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:55:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> On 06/10/2010 17:17, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> >>>> Is there someone with experience of getting a fingerprint-reader on a >>>> laptop working for identification/password purposes? >>>> >>>> I have tried searching around internet but not found anything very >>>> informative on how to go about this. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Sinclair >>>> >>>> I've been using fingerprint reader built-in in Dell Latitiude D830 laptop with Kubuntu 9.04 and 9.10 without problems. It worked for login into console, sudo, KDE, etc. All I've needed to do was to configure PAM with fingerprint reader PAM module and store fingerprints scanned by userspace application. Now I use fingerprint reader only for booting at BIOS because it was quicker for me to write the password instead of properly snapping my finger on the reader. It's not the driver/application problem but this fingerprint reader is very sensitive (I don't know how's the others) and I'm still thinking about disabling it on BIOS, too. I've used the simple howto at http://reactivated.net/fprint/wiki/Pam_fprint Regards, Tom From cary at bielenberg.id.au Wed Oct 6 08:29:47 2010 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:29:47 +1000 Subject: fingerprint reader In-Reply-To: <4CAC3070.1000807@gmail.com> References: <4CAC147B.6040102@gmail.com> <4CAC2005.2040204@iinet.net.au> <4CAC244A.9060109@gmail.com> <4CAC29C5.1060208@iinet.net.au> <4CAC3070.1000807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CAC337B.8010003@bielenberg.id.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From helder.earth at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 12:14:18 2010 From: helder.earth at gmail.com (Helder Terra) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:14:18 -0300 Subject: Problems with mic in Kubuntu Message-ID: <007b01cb6550$0340d280$4101a8c0@R161> Yesterday I've installed a new webcam in my Kubuntu Lucid, and I was happy to see that it worked perfectly. Since it has an agregated mic, I've pluged it and verified that sound was coming through the speakers. But then I tried to use it in Skype, and realized that my contact couldn't hear what I was saying. So I assumed it was a problem with Skype and went through the software forum to figure out what to do, and seemed that many other people were having the same problem. But someone there suggested that one had to try and see if the mic was really working, by recording some sound in a recording program (Audacity) and discovered that it recorded no sound or (after setting the mic volume to maximum) it was very, very low. Still, when speaking in the mic, its sound came clearly and loud through the speakers. Does anyone here had the same issue, or has an idea on how to solve it? Helder Terra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Oct 6 13:50:57 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:50:57 -0400 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <1286351262.25077.335.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1286351262.25077.335.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010060950.58031.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 09:42:56 am Ric Moore did opine: > On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 23:48 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > Greetings; > > > > I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am > > having lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and > > reconnects/resets virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in > > and just touching any of the cables will fill a couple pages of the > > messages log. > > > > Has anyone else encountered this, and if so where did you obtain the > > replacement cables that stopped this particular PITA. Or, are we > > stuck with it till the "Next Great Thing"(TM) comes out? > > I had to put a dab of silicon at the connection. The socket male/female > connection is dicey. That fixes it. A loose solder connection was > suggested, but if that was the case, the silicon fix wouldn't have fixed > it. Ric It has also occurred to me that the box hasn't had its annual D&C operation this summer, as noted by the cpu temps running in the 40-55 range, in C. So I probably should disconnect it, wheel it to the front deck (its a big tower on wheels) and take the 90 psi air hose to it. And pull the heat sink, clean the by now fried artic silver off and replace it. That would give me a good excuse to unplug each one and give its sockets a good blow job. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Don't worry over what other people are thinking about you. They're too busy worrying over what you are thinking about them. From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Oct 6 14:16:26 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:16:26 -0400 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <4CAC4149.1030103@btinternet.com> References: <4CAC4149.1030103@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <201010061016.26339.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 09:55:53 am Brian Wootton did opine: > On 06/10/10 06:18, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > > Greetings; > > > > I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am > > having lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and > > reconnects/resets virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in > > and just touching any of the cables will fill a couple pages of the > > messages log. > > > > Has anyone else encountered this, and if so where did you obtain the > > replacement cables that stopped this particular PITA. Or, are we > > stuck with it till the "Next Great Thing"(TM) comes out? > > > > Thanks all. > > I bought an amd64 Asus motherboard, and after a couple of months I > started to get bunches of of error messages, random reboots and other > hiccups, I could generate these just by banging the desktop enclosure > I narrowed this down to tapping the HDD with a finger-nail. I took the > drive out and had it tested in the workshop where I bought it and they > gave me a new drive and cable set - haven't had any trouble since. The > w/shop body just said the HDD failed their tests - wouldn't/couldn't > tell me if it was HDD or cables. Anyway I changed the lot - still under > warranty so didn't cost me nuffin' - except the time to re-install the > OS of course. I've got 4 SATA channels on my motherboard, I tried all 4 > with the old HDD and cables and got nowhere - have you tried a > different one? > brian Yes, I have replaced several cables, I have 4 extras laying here. It seems they will work for a couple of months, then become seismic detectors. If undisturbed, they will be fine for quite a while, but a cable that goes crazy when it is touched and moved 1 cm, 20 cm from the connector, is not a very confidence inspiring connector. What I am hoping will happen is that we will eventually get a fiber optic connector with a much more rigid attachment for sata III if and when it happens. The never ending quest to reduce cost seems to have bypassed some of the lessons the phone company learned about cheap AND reliable connectors. It seems to me there is not sufficient contact spring pressure in this design, with its fragility probably driven by the transmission line requirements inherent in the performance specs. This connector, inspected with a time domain reflectometer, probably looks a heck of a lot better than the more "telco" styled ethernet rj45 does, that thing has got to look like a bump in the impedance that goes almost to a short circuit at 3Ghz. Thanks Brian. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) There is no time like the present for postponing what you ought to be doing. From valtermura at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 14:31:40 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:31:40 +0200 Subject: Problems with mic in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <007b01cb6550$0340d280$4101a8c0@R161> References: <007b01cb6550$0340d280$4101a8c0@R161> Message-ID: <201010061631.41354.valtermura@gmail.com> In data mercoledì 6 ottobre 2010 14:14:18, Helder Terra ha scritto: > Yesterday I've installed a new webcam in my Kubuntu Lucid, and I was happy > to see that it worked perfectly. Since it has an agregated mic, I've > pluged it and verified that sound was coming through the speakers. But > then I tried to use it in Skype, and realized that my contact couldn't > hear what I was saying. > > So I assumed it was a problem with Skype and went through the software > forum to figure out what to do, and seemed that many other people were > having the same problem. But someone there suggested that one had to try > and see if the mic was really working, by recording some sound in a > recording program (Audacity) and discovered that it recorded no sound or > (after setting the mic volume to maximum) it was very, very low. Still, > when speaking in the mic, its sound came clearly and loud through the > speakers. > > Does anyone here had the same issue, or has an idea on how to solve it? Hi Helder, Go to Mixer in System Tray, Settings > Configure channels. Add "Mic Select" to the active group and, while mic and phones plugged in, select the number of the Mic. the check box in the "Mic" panel must be enable, obviously. I chose Mic2 for my system and now it works. Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 14:35:24 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 01:35:24 +1100 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <201010060950.58031.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1286351262.25077.335.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010060950.58031.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <4CAC892C.5050809@iinet.net.au> On 07/10/2010 00:50, gene heskett wrote: > On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 09:42:56 am Ric Moore did opine: > > >> On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 23:48 -0400, gene heskett wrote: >> >>> Greetings; >>> >>> I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am >>> having lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and >>> reconnects/resets virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in >>> and just touching any of the cables will fill a couple pages of the >>> messages log. >>> >>> Has anyone else encountered this, and if so where did you obtain the >>> replacement cables that stopped this particular PITA. Or, are we >>> stuck with it till the "Next Great Thing"(TM) comes out? >>> >> I had to put a dab of silicon at the connection. The socket male/female >> connection is dicey. That fixes it. A loose solder connection was >> suggested, but if that was the case, the silicon fix wouldn't have fixed >> it. Ric >> > It has also occurred to me that the box hasn't had its annual D&C operation > this summer, as noted by the cpu temps running in the 40-55 range, in C. > So I probably should disconnect it, wheel it to the front deck (its a big > tower on wheels) and take the 90 psi air hose to it. *NO*! You are joking of course? Say you are...please say yes :-) . Of course you are....you're one of Ric's gang, aren't you? :-) . A brush with natural bristles like horse hair but not with artificial bristles to clean up some of the accumulated gunk and then some blowing with CANNED air - but NOT a 90psi air hose! (unless you use it from a safe distance like 4 feet or so away) - would get the job done. You will need to remove any fans (except those in the PSU) and give them a good clean with the brush/canned air (possibly even disassemble them and grease/oil the spindles?). > And pull the heat > sink, clean the by now fried artic silver off and replace it. Wouldn't do it - leave it alone. It's meant to "fry" to make a close seal between the cpu and the heat sink. In fact if you read the instructions they state that it takes a few days for the artic silver to start doing its job while the heat "fries it" to form a good seal between cpu and 'sink. Just remove the fan, clean it, and clean the fins of the heatsink - then put back the fan. I do all this every 3-6 months. Have never, ever, removed the heatsink, and have never used a 90psi air hose :-) . BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Oct 6 15:46:27 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:46:27 -0400 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <4CAC892C.5050809@iinet.net.au> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010060950.58031.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CAC892C.5050809@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <201010061146.27447.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:09:44 am Basil Chupin did opine: > On 07/10/2010 00:50, gene heskett wrote: > > On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 09:42:56 am Ric Moore did opine: > >> On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 23:48 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > >>> Greetings; > >>> > >>> I have a pretty expensive ASUS M2N-SLA Deluxe motherboard, and I am > >>> having lots of log messages from the sata stuff, disconnects and > >>> reconnects/resets virtually anytime the cat walks by. Reaching in > >>> and just touching any of the cables will fill a couple pages of the > >>> messages log. > >>> > >>> Has anyone else encountered this, and if so where did you obtain the > >>> replacement cables that stopped this particular PITA. Or, are we > >>> stuck with it till the "Next Great Thing"(TM) comes out? > >> > >> I had to put a dab of silicon at the connection. The socket > >> male/female connection is dicey. That fixes it. A loose solder > >> connection was suggested, but if that was the case, the silicon fix > >> wouldn't have fixed it. Ric > > > > It has also occurred to me that the box hasn't had its annual D&C > > operation this summer, as noted by the cpu temps running in the 40-55 > > range, in C. So I probably should disconnect it, wheel it to the > > front deck (its a big tower on wheels) and take the 90 psi air hose > > to it. > > *NO*! You are joking of course? Say you are...please say yes :-) . Of > course you are....you're one of Ric's gang, aren't you? :-) . > Far from it Basil. But I do block the fans from spinning when the aiur hits them as 10k rpms can't be good for the bearings in them. > A brush with natural bristles like horse hair but not with artificial > bristles to clean up some of the accumulated gunk and then some blowing > with CANNED air - but NOT a 90psi air hose! (unless you use it from a > safe distance like 4 feet or so away) - would get the job done. You will > need to remove any fans (except those in the PSU) and give them a good > clean with the brush/canned air (possibly even disassemble them and > grease/oil the spindles?). In my 60+ years of electronics maintenance, one thing I've found, particularly for sleeve bearing motors, is that it is only a couple of days from 'oiling' them to burned up lube and locked up again. The OEM oils are generally chosen to be compatible with the metallurgy, and short of having the makers own can of oil handy, its best to just replace the stiff fan, with a fresher ball bearing model. They can generally be oiled a few times, but also won't need it near as often if the dust seals aren't damaged. . > > And pull the heat > > > > sink, clean the by now fried artic silver off and replace it. > > Wouldn't do it - leave it alone. It's meant to "fry" to make a close > seal between the cpu and the heat sink. In fact if you read the > instructions they state that it takes a few days for the artic silver to > start doing its job while the heat "fries it" to form a good seal > between cpu and 'sink. And every time I have done that, I have lowered the cpu's operating temps by 15 to 20C, which creeps up gradually as the dust accumulates in the heat sink fins again. Make no mistake, cleaning it up to a lox clean state, is not for the lazy, it takes serious scrubbing with Shepard Q-Tip and acetone to do a decent job of cleaning. If you can still see a film after the acetone dries, then it is _not_ clean enough. I now have some microfiber cloths I use on my plastic glasses, and since they will not scratch, they may be the ultimate scrubbing tool, but costly as the silicon will not wash out of them ever. It doesn't bother me to use up 50 q-tips though. One dip in the acetone, clean with it, toss. Never put it back in the acetone or alky being used for solvent as it will contaminate the solvent. > Just remove the fan, clean it, and clean the fins of the heatsink - then > put back the fan. > > I do all this every 3-6 months. > > Have never, ever, removed the heatsink, and have never used a 90psi air > hose :-) . And I have, hundreds of times. When one buys computers for the news dept of a tv station by the pallet, you get very poor quality cpu coolers in the typical e-machine. But one should use a bit of common sense too. Spinning a fan up to 20k rpms just because it sounds neat is a sure way to cause that fans failure a few weeks on down the log. I have one, very high speed ball bearing fan on the XP-1400 Athlon that runs my milling machine (using emc, its great and free) that has been turning about 6k rpms, 24/7/365 for about 10 years, still going strong in an environment that could be full of microscopic alu shavings so fine they are a breathing hazard. When cutting alu, and asking it for a mirror finish which requires that the cuttings be flushed with a continuous stream of air to get the cuttings away so they are not recut, marring the surface, I usually run the dust collector to just to pull some cleaner air into the shop building its in. That fan has never been touched to oil it, but that cpu and heatsink combo has now been on 3 motherboards. Needless to say, its a thermaltake. FWIW I have used the horsehair paintbrush too. Its inability to get into the small places has caused more circuit damage than I ever did with the air hose as long as the compressor tank isn't allowed to become waterlogged. If it spits water at you, that water contains all sorts of contaminates that must then be removed. > BC -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss. -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love" From dave at thefletchers.net Wed Oct 6 15:47:52 2010 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:47:52 +0100 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <4CAC892C.5050809@iinet.net.au> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010060950.58031.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CAC892C.5050809@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <201010061647.52171.dave@thefletchers.net> On Wednesday 06 Oct 2010, Basil Chupin wrote: > > *NO*! You are joking of course? Say you are...please say yes :-) . Of > course you are....you're one of Ric's gang, aren't you? :-) . > > A brush with natural bristles like horse hair but not with artificial > bristles to clean up some of the accumulated gunk and then some blowing > with CANNED air - but NOT a 90psi air hose! (unless you use it from a > safe distance like 4 feet or so away) - would get the job done. You will > need to remove any fans (except those in the PSU) and give them a good > clean with the brush/canned air (possibly even disassemble them and > grease/oil the spindles?). > I _always_ use an air line to blow the muck out of the heat sinks. Why buy silly little cans of air at great expense when I've got a nice big air can that pressurises itself for a couple of pennies worth of electricity? I don't open the regulator out to 90psi though, probably more like 40 or 50, and I hold the fans still before blasting air through them. Everything always continues to work for me after doing this. BTW I didn't know it was possible to dismantle computer fans. Dave From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Oct 6 18:25:43 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:25:43 -0400 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <201010061647.52171.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CAC892C.5050809@iinet.net.au> <201010061647.52171.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <201010061425.43987.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Wednesday, October 06, 2010 02:17:43 pm David Fletcher did opine: > On Wednesday 06 Oct 2010, Basil Chupin wrote: > > *NO*! You are joking of course? Say you are...please say yes :-) . Of > > course you are....you're one of Ric's gang, aren't you? :-) . > > > > A brush with natural bristles like horse hair but not with artificial > > bristles to clean up some of the accumulated gunk and then some > > blowing with CANNED air - but NOT a 90psi air hose! (unless you use > > it from a safe distance like 4 feet or so away) - would get the job > > done. You will need to remove any fans (except those in the PSU) and > > give them a good clean with the brush/canned air (possibly even > > disassemble them and grease/oil the spindles?). > > I _always_ use an air line to blow the muck out of the heat sinks. Why > buy silly little cans of air at great expense when I've got a nice big > air can that pressurises itself for a couple of pennies worth of > electricity? > > I don't open the regulator out to 90psi though, probably more like 40 or > 50, and I hold the fans still before blasting air through them. > > Everything always continues to work for me after doing this. > > BTW I didn't know it was possible to dismantle computer fans. > > Dave That depends on the fan, Dave. Some make it fairly painless to remove the decal sealing up the bearing well, and some just plain weren't made to ever allow that, resulting in a better dust seal. And you won't know till you get a pocket knife tip under the decal and lift it, gently because that glue is both tenacious & often so old as to be unusable to put the label decal back on. I have in a few instances, taken a needle, like the Radio Shack oiler with its 2" big needle, and pierced the label. That oil does oxidize and darken with light exposure over the years if its left exposed, but the oil itself works as well as anything else I've tried, including 3n1 and some uber fancy sewing machine oil. 3n1 is a joke for motors IMO. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) gossip, n.: Hearing something you like about someone you don't. -- Earl Wilson From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Wed Oct 6 20:51:53 2010 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:51:53 -0400 Subject: Question re sata cables In-Reply-To: <201010061647.52171.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <201010052348.06614.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010060950.58031.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CAC892C.5050809@iinet.net.au> <201010061647.52171.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <4CACE169.601@optonline.net> On 10/6/2010 11:47 AM, David Fletcher wrote: > On Wednesday 06 Oct 2010, Basil Chupin wrote: >> >> *NO*! You are joking of course? Say you are...please say yes :-) . Of >> course you are....you're one of Ric's gang, aren't you? :-) . >> >> A brush with natural bristles like horse hair but not with artificial >> bristles to clean up some of the accumulated gunk and then some blowing >> with CANNED air - but NOT a 90psi air hose! (unless you use it from a >> safe distance like 4 feet or so away) - would get the job done. You will >> need to remove any fans (except those in the PSU) and give them a good >> clean with the brush/canned air (possibly even disassemble them and >> grease/oil the spindles?). >> > > I _always_ use an air line to blow the muck out of the heat sinks. Why buy > silly little cans of air at great expense when I've got a nice big air can > that pressurises itself for a couple of pennies worth of electricity? > > I don't open the regulator out to 90psi though, probably more like 40 or 50, > and I hold the fans still before blasting air through them. > > Everything always continues to work for me after doing this. > > BTW I didn't know it was possible to dismantle computer fans. > > Dave > A friend of mine did it regularly to restore them to functioning. Me, I think it's just cheaper to buy a new fan, one with ball bearings. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley From gcsgcatling at bigpond.com Thu Oct 7 10:19:57 2010 From: gcsgcatling at bigpond.com (GeraldCC) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:19:57 +1000 Subject: RAID 1 Message-ID: <201010072019.57687.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> Hi guy's, Is raid 1 safe to use in Ubuntu/Kubuntu? I am reading the Ubuntu Server Administration (8.04 LTS) Raid 1 appears to be recommended in this tome, but trying it in PCLinuxos 2010.07 has given a lot of heart ache. If one removes the second drive in the array, then powers up again the system still runs BUT shutting down again and re-inserting drive 2 and trying to add it to the raid array I need to reformat the first drive to add the second and also format the second drive...So loosibg everything. This does not seem to be the case in Ubuntu? But is it OK and safe to use raid 1? Gerald From helder.earth at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 11:39:49 2010 From: helder.earth at gmail.com (Helder Terra) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 08:39:49 -0300 Subject: Problems with mic in Kubuntu References: <007b01cb6550$0340d280$4101a8c0@R161> <201010061631.41354.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01cb6614$5d9c3b10$4101a8c0@R161> Thanks o for the help, Valter, but I couldn't do it. I've tried as you told me to, but my "config" of the mixer doesn't show the "Mic Select" option. The only available options are: Beep Capture Capture2 Channel mode Input source Input source 2 And none of the (previously) selected options I had made had that option either. Helder Terra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valter Mura" To: "Kubuntu user technical support" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Problems with mic in Kubuntu In data mercoledì 6 ottobre 2010 14:14:18, Helder Terra ha scritto: > Yesterday I've installed a new webcam in my Kubuntu Lucid, and I was happy > to see that it worked perfectly. Since it has an agregated mic, I've > pluged it and verified that sound was coming through the speakers. But > then I tried to use it in Skype, and realized that my contact couldn't > hear what I was saying. > > So I assumed it was a problem with Skype and went through the software > forum to figure out what to do, and seemed that many other people were > having the same problem. But someone there suggested that one had to try > and see if the mic was really working, by recording some sound in a > recording program (Audacity) and discovered that it recorded no sound or > (after setting the mic volume to maximum) it was very, very low. Still, > when speaking in the mic, its sound came clearly and loud through the > speakers. > > Does anyone here had the same issue, or has an idea on how to solve it? Hi Helder, Go to Mixer in System Tray, Settings > Configure channels. Add "Mic Select" to the active group and, while mic and phones plugged in, select the number of the Mic. the check box in the "Mic" panel must be enable, obviously. I chose Mic2 for my system and now it works. Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 14:53:07 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:53:07 -0600 Subject: HTML preview plasmoid? Message-ID: <4CADDED3.1060803@gmail.com> 1. Finding a particular plasmoid seems to be very difficult (running lucid here). Is there some sort of sensible list that enables one just to read all the descriptions and find the one one wants? 2. I'm looking for a plasmoid that does the following: every N (configurable) minutes grab a particular remote page (actually a PHP script, but that shouldn't matter) and render the result. It's quite possible (indeed I would expect it to be true) that a plasmoid meeting #2 is installed, but because of #1 I have no idea which of the ~100 installed plasmoids it might be. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From tanghus at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 15:45:40 2010 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:45:40 +0200 Subject: HTML preview plasmoid? In-Reply-To: <4CADDED3.1060803@gmail.com> References: <4CADDED3.1060803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010071745.51153.tanghus@gmail.com> On Thursday 07 October 2010 16:53:07 D. R. Evans wrote: > 1. Finding a particular plasmoid seems to be very difficult (running lucid > here). Is there some sort of sensible list that enables one just to read > all the descriptions and find the one one wants? > > 2. 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URL: From adil at alpman.net Thu Oct 7 16:08:37 2010 From: adil at alpman.net (Adil ALPMAN) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:08:37 +0300 Subject: KGrubEditor in Kubuntu 10.04 Message-ID: Hi All; I wanna install this packege http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442 to my kubuntu 8.04 all updated but when i add kde-apps.org's ppa link to /etc/apt/sources.list and then when u run apt-get update command i get an error about gpg or something like that... Can anybody help me how can i resolve that? Thanks a lot... Adil ALPMAN From gkourtev at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 16:35:54 2010 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:35:54 +0300 Subject: KGrubEditor in Kubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010071935.55254.gkourtev@gmail.com> On Thursday 07 October 2010 19:08:37 Adil ALPMAN wrote: > Hi All; > > I wanna install this packege > http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442 to my kubuntu 8.04 all > updated but when i add kde-apps.org's ppa link to /etc/apt/sources.list and > then when u run apt-get update command i get an error about gpg or > something like that... > > Can anybody help me how can i resolve that? > > Thanks a lot... > > Adil ALPMAN GPG is the key that you need to have to access the repository (google for more details. There a few ways to install it -- to copy the key as a file, or to import it directly from the repository. For the latter there was a terminal command that I have used some time ago, but as I am more on the user side, I forgot it. I also think that 10.04 onwards installs the keys directly from KPackage. Hope that this helped. gk From g.lip at gmx.com Thu Oct 7 17:31:16 2010 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 01:31:16 +0800 Subject: KGrubEditor in Kubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CAE03E4.8090301@gmx.com> On Friday 08,October,2010 12:08 AM, Adil ALPMAN wrote: > I wanna install this packege > http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442 to my kubuntu 8.04 all > updated but when i add kde-apps.org's ppa link to /etc/apt/sources.list and > then when u run apt-get update command i get an error about gpg or something > like that... Adil, noticed that it is part of the normal repository for hardy and jaunty. http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kgrubeditor&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all I would think it is possible to just "sudo apt-get install kgrubeditor" without using the ppa repository. Also, this would be better as when you upgrade to newer versions (which uses grub2), the conflicts will be taken care of (ppa's are usually - sometimes not - automatically uninstalled upon upgrades). But since you had installed (without gpg key), you need to uninstall, remove the ppa repository, update/upgrade before you install from the normal repository. Regards - Goh Lip From adil at alpman.net Thu Oct 7 17:42:15 2010 From: adil at alpman.net (Adil ALPMAN) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:42:15 +0300 Subject: KGrubEditor in Kubuntu 10.04 References: <4CAE03E4.8090301@gmx.com> Message-ID: <6BF98E2EE4C74243ACAF1EA245A2D8D5@adildesktop> Thanks Goh, but i cant install this package from kubuntu 8.04's default sources.list unfortunetely and i get package not found message when i input apt-get install grubeditor command... Thanks... Adil ALPMAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goh Lip" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:31 PM Subject: Re: KGrubEditor in Kubuntu 10.04 > On Friday 08,October,2010 12:08 AM, Adil ALPMAN wrote: >> I wanna install this packege >> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442 to my kubuntu 8.04 >> all >> updated but when i add kde-apps.org's ppa link to /etc/apt/sources.list >> and >> then when u run apt-get update command i get an error about gpg or >> something >> like that... > > Adil, noticed that it is part of the normal repository for hardy and > jaunty. > http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kgrubeditor&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all > > I would think it is possible to just "sudo apt-get install kgrubeditor" > without using the ppa repository. Also, this would be better as when you > upgrade to newer versions (which uses grub2), the conflicts will be > taken care of (ppa's are usually - sometimes not - automatically > uninstalled upon upgrades). > > But since you had installed (without gpg key), you need to uninstall, > remove the ppa repository, update/upgrade before you install from the > normal repository. > > Regards - Goh Lip > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From g.lip at gmx.com Thu Oct 7 18:15:42 2010 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:15:42 +0800 Subject: KGrubEditor in Kubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: <6BF98E2EE4C74243ACAF1EA245A2D8D5@adildesktop> References: <4CAE03E4.8090301@gmx.com> <6BF98E2EE4C74243ACAF1EA245A2D8D5@adildesktop> Message-ID: <4CAE0E4E.3090202@gmx.com> On Friday 08,October,2010 01:42 AM, Adil ALPMAN wrote: > Thanks Goh, but i cant install this package from kubuntu 8.04's default > sources.list unfortunetely and i get package not found message when i input > apt-get install grubeditor command... > > Thanks... > > Adil ALPMAN Okay, don't know why that is so when it is listed as a package. But, refer https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor/+question/98455 and you are required to add this ppa to the repository.. https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/ppa Watch out carefully how you need to add the gpg key. (its fairly easy after karmic). [off topic] I guess you're on grub-legacy and I expect you would upgrade to newer versions that uses grub2, sometime in the future. Please watch out for breakages if you use kgrubeditor as per my previous message and also this.. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1115209.html I wouldn't use it if I were you. (i am not Christine Mcdonell :) ) But it's really your choice. Or you can fresh-install the new version. Good luck, Adil (that means 'fair', right? ) Regards - Goh Lip From samorris at netspace.net.au Thu Oct 7 19:46:26 2010 From: samorris at netspace.net.au (Steve Morris) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 06:46:26 +1100 Subject: KGrubEditor in Kubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: <4CAE0E4E.3090202@gmx.com> References: <4CAE03E4.8090301@gmx.com> <6BF98E2EE4C74243ACAF1EA245A2D8D5@adildesktop> <4CAE0E4E.3090202@gmx.com> Message-ID: <4CAE2392.8020704@netspace.net.au> On 08/10/10 05:15, Goh Lip wrote: > On Friday 08,October,2010 01:42 AM, Adil ALPMAN wrote: > >> Thanks Goh, but i cant install this package from kubuntu 8.04's default >> sources.list unfortunetely and i get package not found message when i input >> apt-get install grubeditor command... >> >> Thanks... >> >> Adil ALPMAN >> > Okay, don't know why that is so when it is listed as a package. But, > refer > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor/+question/98455 > and you are required to add this ppa to the repository.. > https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/ppa > > Watch out carefully how you need to add the gpg key. (its fairly easy > after karmic). > > [off topic] > I guess you're on grub-legacy and I expect you would upgrade to newer > versions that uses grub2, sometime in the future. Please watch out for > breakages if you use kgrubeditor as per my previous message and also this.. > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1115209.html > > I wouldn't use it if I were you. (i am not Christine Mcdonell :) ) > But it's really your choice. Or you can fresh-install the new version. > > Good luck, Adil (that means 'fair', right? ) > > Regards - Goh Lip > > Also slightly off topic, I am currently using legacy grub in Lucid 10.04 because, when I installed Lucid from the alternate install cd it said that grub2 was beta and should not be installed on a production system (hence I haven't) and, with the beta of grub2 in Karmic it would not allow the grub boot blocks to be installed to a partition, it would only allow the installation to the MBR. Installing to the MBR is useless to me as I am using something else as a boot manager, plus for other linux o/s's that don't use grub2 Ubuntu's grub2 generated invalid partition references for those o/s's. Have these issues been fixed yet? regards, Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I could never get the EEE 1215n (new model) to boot from USB, it always went into BIOS if I hit F2 a few times. I turned off quiet booting, and another option, and that slowed it down long enough to hit ESC and boot off USB. The info on how to enter the kernel args line is wrong for unetbootin and 10.04+ Also, I've tried the various kernel options - it's unclear whether to append after "--" or insert before - and could get it to load packages but not the debconf preload config. Am trying to re-write the flash drive in case it was mangled somehow. -- I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. My emails do not have attachments; it's a digital signature that your mail program doesn't understand. | http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/ If you are a spammer, please email john at subspacefield.org to get blacklisted. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When I log in via OpenID, it says: TypeError __init__() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given) If you want to report a bug, please save this page and attach it to your bug report. > Also, I've tried the various kernel options - it's unclear whether to append > after "--" or insert before - and could get it to load packages but not the > debconf preload config. Am trying to re-write the flash drive in case it > was mangled somehow. Append cdrom-detect/try-usb=true after the double-dash, that works. The word install is no longer necessary, I think it was an artifact of the installer and not a real kernel parameter. Other problems were due to corrupt FAT fs on USB stick. -- I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From g.lip at gmx.com Fri Oct 8 02:38:25 2010 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:38:25 +0800 Subject: KGrubEditor in Kubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: <4CAE2392.8020704@netspace.net.au> References: <4CAE03E4.8090301@gmx.com> <6BF98E2EE4C74243ACAF1EA245A2D8D5@adildesktop> <4CAE0E4E.3090202@gmx.com> <4CAE2392.8020704@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: <4CAE8421.9030707@gmx.com> On Friday 08,October,2010 03:46 AM, Steve Morris wrote: > Also slightly off topic, I am currently using legacy grub in Lucid 10.04 > because, when I installed Lucid from the alternate install cd it said > that grub2 was beta and should not be installed on a production system > (hence I haven't) and, with the beta of grub2 in Karmic it would not > allow the grub boot blocks to be installed to a partition, it would only > allow the installation to the MBR. Installing to the MBR is useless to > me as I am using something else as a boot manager, plus for other linux > o/s's that don't use grub2 Ubuntu's grub2 generated invalid partition > references for those o/s's. Have these issues been fixed yet? > > regards, > Steve Hi Steve, I too have my own boot (dedicated grub partition) and I always set that to the mbr, never any of the OS grubs. Yes, there is a (severe) warning when we try to install grub to a partition, but nevertheless, I proceeded and none the worse for it. The warning may be useful for people who thought they "should" install to the partition. If you know what you are doing, I think it's okay. Many other distro's still use grub-legacy and in many ways, Kubuntu/Ubuntu is ahead of the curve. I find grub2 far far better and had converted even my Hardy to it (since scrubbed). But yes, there had been many issues with it affecting a small proportion of computers, like dell recovery console, raid/lvm (resolved, I think; in the beginning, handle this like you would with grub-legacy), but it better to let us know what issue you are watching out for. Regards - Goh Lip From g.lip at gmx.com Fri Oct 8 05:39:45 2010 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:39:45 +0800 Subject: alternate installer requires CD-ROM device In-Reply-To: <20101007200011.GD13195@subspacefield.org> References: <20101007200011.GD13195@subspacefield.org> Message-ID: <4CAEAEA1.5070009@gmx.com> On Friday 08,October,2010 04:00 AM, travis+ml-kubuntu-users at subspacefield.org wrote: > Didn't use to be this way; I have 10.04 on this current netbook and I installed > it this way. > > So starting with 10.04.1, the installer looks for a CD-ROM device and > won't install without one. > > Kind of a pain on my EEE PC netbook. > > I'm not so sure I'll be able to dm-crypt / that way though. > > And if I regress to 10.04, I'm pretty sure the ethernet won't work on the > EEE PC 1215n, requires a recent kernel. Not sure the 10.04.1 would work > anyway. > > I'm so over discs... PXE/USB FTW. > Travis, I take it you have 10.04 and you want to upgrade to 10.04.1? The usual update/upgrade will take care of that. There is nothing more you need to do. Similarly, to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10, just do a dist-upgrade. [Off topic] I understand your issue with EE_PC. I have not used, though experimented, with Unetbootin nor used EE_PC. There might be another way to install, though. If you make one or two additional partition, though some EE_PC have small capacities, it would be good. Otherwise use a plain usb disk, but installation will be slower (swap helps). Boot that downloaded iso file (livecd, not alternate) using an *existing* grub2 from an installed OS using "casper looping" and install to a *different* partition from where the iso is located. Regards - Goh Lip From fluca1978 at infinito.it Fri Oct 8 10:34:50 2010 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:34:50 +0200 Subject: kmail and folder identities Message-ID: <201010081234.50953.fluca1978@infinito.it> Hi all, an annoying thing in KMail is the sender identity of a folder, I'd like to recursively set the identity of a parent folder and its child to a value, but I have to set it manually on each child folder. Is there a way to do this? Or does anybody know when KMail stores the identities mapping in the configuration files, so that I can fix this with a script? Thanks, Luca From pascal at francq.info Fri Oct 8 12:19:03 2010 From: pascal at francq.info (Pascal Francq) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:19:03 +0200 Subject: Evolution and Local vCalendar Message-ID: <201010081419.04203.pascal@francq.info> Hi, I want to use a local vCalendar file for my contacts in Evolution (in fact, I want to sync my Kontact information with my Pilot). It seems that Evolution uses by default its own database. I suppose there must be some way to make it handle local vcf files, but I do not find how. Any idea? Thanks -- Dr. Ir. Pascal Francq BELGIUM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From pwhite at bluewin.ch Fri Oct 8 17:33:13 2010 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:33:13 +0200 Subject: Grub too long and 3 Linux Message-ID: <201010081933.13889.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Hi all, I have Hardy, Jaunty and Karmic (+M$), and as the title says, Grub is getting really long. My Grub menu says version 1.97~beta4 but in Synaptic it adds "version 2 (PC/ BIOS version) for the grub-pc package I have and its dependencies indicate a conflict with grub (<0.97-54) I searched and Googled but found it somewhat confusing. Shall I update grub as if it is Grub2 and as suggested in: using Synaptic to purge anything related to the older versions? Shall I forget about a "menu.lst" that is absent from Karmic, and forget about an "update-grub" or "update-grub2" which I have? What would happen if I booted under Hardy and used Synaptic there to remove likewise the extras older images and headers for Hardy? (This frightens me because I'm not sure Hardy knows enough about grub installed by Karmic and I would hate to have to search through my mess for the install CD.) Another option is to access Hardy from Karmic and use Dolphin to delete those images and headers, perhaps not as clean a removal than the Synaptic purge. Would that be safe? Any other tips or warnings? Thanks for any input. Cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #251: Processes running slowly due to weak power supply From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 19:20:26 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:20:26 -0400 Subject: Evolution and Local vCalendar In-Reply-To: <201010081419.04203.pascal@francq.info> References: <201010081419.04203.pascal@francq.info> Message-ID: <1286565626.9074.1750.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 14:19 +0200, Pascal Francq wrote: > Hi, > I want to use a local vCalendar file for my contacts in Evolution (in fact, I > want to sync my Kontact information with my Pilot). It seems that Evolution > uses by default its own database. I suppose there must be some way to make it > handle local vcf files, but I do not find how. > Any idea? Evolution connects perfectly to google calendars, but to sync it to your pilot crank open synaptic, enter evolution in the search bar and I think the package is evolution-connector or some such close to that. Just look, it'll be there. It's description will state that it's for syncing to palmpilots, etc. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 20:54:28 2010 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 21:54:28 +0100 Subject: sftp: and fish: protocols in konqueror. Message-ID: <20101008215428.0f7ac5e6.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> I've just been trying to connect to a directory on a remote host via the fish and/or sftp protocols in konqueror, but it is just sitting there with a rotating cursor and a connecting message in the bottom left. I'm running Lucid with KDE 4.5.1 from the PPA I can connect to the host with ssh via the command line so I don't think that accesses have been messed up. Has anyone else seen this problem? and if so is there a fix? James -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From tomh0665 at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 01:22:28 2010 From: tomh0665 at gmail.com (Tom H) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 21:22:28 -0400 Subject: RAID 1 In-Reply-To: <201010072019.57687.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> References: <201010072019.57687.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:19 AM, GeraldCC wrote: > > Is raid 1 safe to use in Ubuntu/Kubuntu? > I am reading the Ubuntu Server Administration (8.04 LTS) > Raid 1 appears to be recommended in this tome, but trying it in PCLinuxos > 2010.07 has given a lot of heart ache. If one removes the second drive in the > array, then powers up again the system still runs BUT shutting down again and > re-inserting drive 2 and trying to add it to the raid array I need to reformat > the first drive to add the second and also format the second drive...So loosibg > everything. > This does not seem to be the case in Ubuntu? > But is it OK and safe to use raid 1? I've never used PCLinuxOS but I doubt that you lost everything because of it. Assume that you have your system's root on /dev/md1 constituted of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1. If you shutdown the box, pull out /dev/sda, and reboot, the box will come up (assuming that grub is set up properly) using /dev/sdb1. If you then shutdown, re-insert /dev/sda, and reboot, the box will come up using /dev/sdb1 with /dev/sda1 available (and possibly even assembled into its own, new, one-disk RAID 1 md device, /dev/mdX). If /dev/sda1 is a member of /dev/mdX, you have to run "mdadm --stop /dev/mdX", otherwise you can skip this step. You then run "mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sda1" to add /dev/sda1 to /dev/md1. You have to ensure that the mirror syncs before pulling any disk out again. The proper way to remove a disk from an array is, even if disk dies, to run "mdadm /dev/md1 --fail /dev/sda1; mdadm /dev/md1 --remove /dev/sda1". From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 03:20:59 2010 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:20:59 +0700 Subject: Grub too long and 3 Linux In-Reply-To: <201010081933.13889.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <201010081933.13889.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Perry wrote: > Hi all, > > I have Hardy, Jaunty and Karmic (+M$), and as the title says, Grub is getting > really long. > My Grub menu says version 1.97~beta4 but in Synaptic it adds "version 2 (PC/ > BIOS version) for the grub-pc package I have and its dependencies indicate a > conflict with grub (<0.97-54) > > I searched and Googled but found it somewhat confusing. > > Shall I update grub as if it is Grub2 and as suggested in: > boot-menu> using Synaptic to purge anything related to the older versions? > Shall I forget about a "menu.lst" that is absent from Karmic, and forget about > an "update-grub" or "update-grub2" which I have? > > What would happen if I booted under Hardy and used Synaptic there to remove > likewise the extras older images and headers for Hardy? > (This frightens me because I'm not sure Hardy knows enough about grub > installed by Karmic and I would hate to have to search through my mess for the > install CD.) > > Another option is to access Hardy from Karmic and use Dolphin to delete those > images and headers, perhaps not as clean a removal than the Synaptic purge. > Would that be safe? > > Any other tips or warnings? What I suggest is do the following in sequence: 1. Boot from Hardy, purge old packages 2. Boot from Jaunty, purge old packages 3. Boot from Karmic, purge old packages I have not tried it yet but the last one (karmic) should be able to clean up all older releases menu. But the question is why you want to keep so many different releases. DK From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sat Oct 9 06:56:56 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:56:56 +1100 Subject: Grub too long and 3 Linux In-Reply-To: References: <201010081933.13889.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <4CB01238.4080806@iinet.net.au> On 09/10/2010 14:20, David Kuntadi wrote: > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Perry wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have Hardy, Jaunty and Karmic (+M$), and as the title says, Grub is getting >> really long. >> My Grub menu says version 1.97~beta4 but in Synaptic it adds "version 2 (PC/ >> BIOS version) for the grub-pc package I have and its dependencies indicate a >> conflict with grub (<0.97-54) >> >> I searched and Googled but found it somewhat confusing. >> >> Shall I update grub as if it is Grub2 and as suggested in: >> > boot-menu> using Synaptic to purge anything related to the older versions? >> Shall I forget about a "menu.lst" that is absent from Karmic, and forget about >> an "update-grub" or "update-grub2" which I have? >> >> What would happen if I booted under Hardy and used Synaptic there to remove >> likewise the extras older images and headers for Hardy? >> (This frightens me because I'm not sure Hardy knows enough about grub >> installed by Karmic and I would hate to have to search through my mess for the >> install CD.) >> >> Another option is to access Hardy from Karmic and use Dolphin to delete those >> images and headers, perhaps not as clean a removal than the Synaptic purge. >> Would that be safe? >> >> Any other tips or warnings? >> > What I suggest is do the following in sequence: > 1. Boot from Hardy, purge old packages > 2. Boot from Jaunty, purge old packages > 3. Boot from Karmic, purge old packages > > I have not tried it yet but the last one (karmic) should be able to > clean up all older releases menu. > But the question is why you want to keep so many different releases. > > DK > Especially when support for Jaunty runs out this month (October 2010) and the others have only 6 months to go..... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sat Oct 9 15:21:13 2010 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:21:13 +0200 Subject: Grub too long and 3 Linux In-Reply-To: <4CB01238.4080806@iinet.net.au> References: <201010081933.13889.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <4CB01238.4080806@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <201010091721.13690.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Saturday 09 October 2010 08.56:56 Basil Chupin, vous avez écrit (you wrote) : > On 09/10/2010 14:20, David Kuntadi wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Perry wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have Hardy, Jaunty and Karmic (+M$), and as the title says, Grub is > >> getting really long. > >> My Grub menu says version 1.97~beta4 but in Synaptic it adds "version 2 > >> (PC/ BIOS version) for the grub-pc package I have and its dependencies > >> indicate a conflict with grub (<0.97-54) > >> > >> I searched and Googled but found it somewhat confusing. > >> > >> Shall I update grub as if it is Grub2 and as suggested in: > >> >>rub2- boot-menu> using Synaptic to purge anything related to the older > >> versions? Shall I forget about a "menu.lst" that is absent from Karmic, > >> and forget about an "update-grub" or "update-grub2" which I have? > >> > >> What would happen if I booted under Hardy and used Synaptic there to > >> remove likewise the extras older images and headers for Hardy? > >> (This frightens me because I'm not sure Hardy knows enough about grub > >> installed by Karmic and I would hate to have to search through my mess > >> for the install CD.) > >> > >> Another option is to access Hardy from Karmic and use Dolphin to delete > >> those images and headers, perhaps not as clean a removal than the > >> Synaptic purge. Would that be safe? > >> > >> Any other tips or warnings? > > > > What I suggest is do the following in sequence: > > 1. Boot from Hardy, purge old packages > > 2. Boot from Jaunty, purge old packages > > 3. Boot from Karmic, purge old packages > > > > I have not tried it yet but the last one (karmic) should be able to > > clean up all older releases menu. Thanks, It is sensible that, as I boot Jaunty, Grub will not even know that some old Hardy packages still listed in the menu are missing. This still leaves some questions unanswered, but I only asked out of curiosity. > > But the question is why you want to keep so many different releases. Well, I want at least 2, to have a working system as I install a new one. Jaunty was such a short hop before Karmic I never finished installing on it. The partition it is on may soon host Lucid. Hardy... I guess I'm being too sentimental about it, but I could do things under it that I haven't been able to do on the following releases. For example from the Kicker you could launch a program through a shell even if you didn't know its name to call from a Konsole. > > > > DK > > Especially when support for Jaunty runs out this month (October 2010) > and the others have only 6 months to go..... Good to know, so one can expect more and more problems with new hardware or software, until the old release becomes totally autistic. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ > > BC > -- BOFH excuse #423: It's not RFC-822 compliant From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Oct 9 15:36:02 2010 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 23:36:02 +0800 Subject: Grub too long and 3 Linux In-Reply-To: <201010091721.13690.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <201010081933.13889.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <4CB01238.4080806@iinet.net.au> <201010091721.13690.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <4CB08BE2.3000809@gmx.com> On Saturday 09,October,2010 11:21 PM, Perry wrote: > Good to know, so one can expect more and more problems with new hardware or > software, until the old release becomes totally autistic. Autistic? Heh. But just to add to David's, don't forget to update-grub at the OS where it is set to sda (mbr) so that the new kernels are included in the menu. Regards - Goh Lip From kovalamjk at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 15:38:40 2010 From: kovalamjk at gmail.com (JK) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:08:40 +0530 Subject: help Message-ID: I am a new comer to Linux. I am using Kubuntu in my Net book.The bug fixes up to 28/09/2010 was downloaded. The system was running peaceful. Using synaptic I have uninstalled a few packages name starting with X. When I restarted, the login dialogue box appears, receives password then a black screen with the mouse indication only is shown. I am not at all familiar with the commands etc at the recovery mode prompt. Can anyone suggest an easiest method using GUI From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Oct 9 16:53:59 2010 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:53:59 -0500 Subject: help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB09E27.4060306@swbell.net> On 10/09/2010 10:38 AM, JK wrote: > I am a new comer to Linux. > I am using Kubuntu in my Net book.The bug fixes up to 28/09/2010 was > downloaded. The system was running peaceful. Using synaptic I have > uninstalled a few packages name starting with X. When I restarted, the > login dialogue box appears, receives password then a black screen with the > mouse indication only is shown. I am not at all familiar with the commands > etc at the recovery mode prompt. Can anyone suggest an easiest method > using GUI > > Hmmm. Easiest GUI method. How about a complete reinstall. -- "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 9 16:55:19 2010 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:55:19 -0400 Subject: help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010091255.19308.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday, October 09, 2010, JK wrote: > I am a new comer to Linux. > I am using Kubuntu in my Net book.The bug fixes up to 28/09/2010 was > downloaded. The system was running peaceful. Using synaptic I have > uninstalled a few packages name starting with X. When I restarted, the > login dialogue box appears, receives password then a black screen with the > mouse indication only is shown. I am not at all familiar with the commands > etc at the recovery mode prompt. Can anyone suggest an easiest method > using GUI 1) It would help to know what pkgs you 'uninstalled' (and why) 2) And at this point, I would think your best best would be to re-install the version you started with (which would also be helpful for us to know) 3) Once you have "messed with the system" as though you knew what damage could be done, there is usually no GUI way to fix it. You've broken the system. From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Oct 9 17:09:06 2010 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 01:09:06 +0800 Subject: help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB0A1B2.7@gmx.com> On Saturday 09,October,2010 11:38 PM, JK wrote: > I am a new comer to Linux. > I am using Kubuntu in my Net book.The bug fixes up to 28/09/2010 was > downloaded. The system was running peaceful. Using synaptic I have > uninstalled a few packages name starting with X. When I restarted, the > login dialogue box appears, receives password then a black screen with the > mouse indication only is shown. I am not at all familiar with the commands > etc at the recovery mode prompt. Can anyone suggest an easiest method > using GUI > Kovalam, didn't earlier replies by Gene, David and Sarunas (30th Sept) help? If not, why didn't you reply to that thread itself or at least explain why you cannot do what they suggested. Goh Lip From pascal at francq.info Sat Oct 9 20:01:49 2010 From: pascal at francq.info (Pascal Francq) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 22:01:49 +0200 Subject: Evolution and Local vCalendar In-Reply-To: <1286565626.9074.1750.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010081419.04203.pascal@francq.info> <1286565626.9074.1750.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010092201.52163.pascal@francq.info> Hi, In fact, I found how to sync Evolution with Pilot. The problem is that, since I don't know how it is possible to make Evolution manages a vCard file for the contacts, I must each time erase all the contacts and re-import the vCard file used by Kontact. I was just wondering if a particular plug-in of Evolution allows to directly manage vCard files. On vendredi 08 octobre 2010, Ric Moore wrote: > On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 14:19 +0200, Pascal Francq wrote: > > Hi, > > I want to use a local vCalendar file for my contacts in Evolution (in > > fact, I want to sync my Kontact information with my Pilot). It seems > > that Evolution uses by default its own database. I suppose there must be > > some way to make it handle local vcf files, but I do not find how. > > Any idea? > > Evolution connects perfectly to google calendars, but to sync it to your > pilot crank open synaptic, enter evolution in the search bar and I think > the package is evolution-connector or some such close to that. Just > look, it'll be there. It's description will state that it's for syncing > to palmpilots, etc. Ric -- Dr. Ir. Pascal Francq BELGIUM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 21:15:16 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:15:16 -0400 Subject: Evolution and Local vCalendar In-Reply-To: <201010092201.52163.pascal@francq.info> References: <201010081419.04203.pascal@francq.info> <1286565626.9074.1750.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010092201.52163.pascal@francq.info> Message-ID: <1286658916.9074.3369.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 22:01 +0200, Pascal Francq wrote: > Hi, > In fact, I found how to sync Evolution with Pilot. The problem is that, since > I don't know how it is possible to make Evolution manages a vCard file for the > contacts, I must each time erase all the contacts and re-import the vCard file > used by Kontact. > I was just wondering if a particular plug-in of Evolution allows to directly > manage vCard files. > > On vendredi 08 octobre 2010, Ric Moore wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 14:19 +0200, Pascal Francq wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I want to use a local vCalendar file for my contacts in Evolution (in > > > fact, I want to sync my Kontact information with my Pilot). It seems > > > that Evolution uses by default its own database. I suppose there must be > > > some way to make it handle local vcf files, but I do not find how. > > > Any idea? > > > > Evolution connects perfectly to google calendars, but to sync it to your > > pilot crank open synaptic, enter evolution in the search bar and I think > > the package is evolution-connector or some such close to that. Just > > look, it'll be there. It's description will state that it's for syncing > > to palmpilots, etc. Ric I thought that nepomuk would handle that?? I dunno, I switch it off routinely. Huh, no man pages or /usr/share/doc file for nepomuk. Go figure. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From pascal at francq.info Sat Oct 9 22:08:38 2010 From: pascal at francq.info (Pascal Francq) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:08:38 +0200 Subject: Evolution and Local vCalendar In-Reply-To: <1286658916.9074.3369.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010081419.04203.pascal@francq.info> <201010092201.52163.pascal@francq.info> <1286658916.9074.3369.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010100008.41187.pascal@francq.info> As far as I know, Nepomuk works only for Kontact. De fact is that, since KPilot is not supported any more, the only way to synchronise my address book and calendar is to use Evolution (which still supports synchronisation with Pilot devices). I have a look to OpenSync, but it seems not to work with Pilot devices either. On samedi 09 octobre 2010, Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 22:01 +0200, Pascal Francq wrote: > > Hi, > > In fact, I found how to sync Evolution with Pilot. The problem is that, > > since I don't know how it is possible to make Evolution manages a vCard > > file for the contacts, I must each time erase all the contacts and > > re-import the vCard file used by Kontact. > > I was just wondering if a particular plug-in of Evolution allows to > > directly manage vCard files. > > > > On vendredi 08 octobre 2010, Ric Moore wrote: > > > On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 14:19 +0200, Pascal Francq wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I want to use a local vCalendar file for my contacts in Evolution (in > > > > fact, I want to sync my Kontact information with my Pilot). It seems > > > > that Evolution uses by default its own database. I suppose there must > > > > be some way to make it handle local vcf files, but I do not find > > > > how. Any idea? > > > > > > Evolution connects perfectly to google calendars, but to sync it to > > > your pilot crank open synaptic, enter evolution in the search bar and > > > I think the package is evolution-connector or some such close to that. > > > Just look, it'll be there. It's description will state that it's for > > > syncing to palmpilots, etc. Ric > > I thought that nepomuk would handle that?? I dunno, I switch it off > routinely. Huh, no man pages or /usr/share/doc file for nepomuk. Go > figure. Ric -- Dr. Ir. Pascal Francq BELGIUM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From gcsgcatling at bigpond.com Sat Oct 9 22:58:44 2010 From: gcsgcatling at bigpond.com (GeraldCC) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 08:58:44 +1000 Subject: RAID 1 In-Reply-To: References: <201010072019.57687.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <201010100858.45198.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> On Saturday, October 09, 2010 11:22:28 am Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:19 AM, GeraldCC wrote: > > Is raid 1 safe to use in Ubuntu/Kubuntu? > > I am reading the Ubuntu Server Administration (8.04 LTS) > > Raid 1 appears to be recommended in this tome, but trying it in PCLinuxos > > 2010.07 has given a lot of heart ache. If one removes the second drive in > > the array, then powers up again the system still runs BUT shutting down > > again and re-inserting drive 2 and trying to add it to the raid array I > > need to reformat the first drive to add the second and also format the > > second drive...So loosibg everything. > > This does not seem to be the case in Ubuntu? > > But is it OK and safe to use raid 1? > > I've never used PCLinuxOS but I doubt that you lost everything because of > it. > > Assume that you have your system's root on /dev/md1 constituted of > /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1. > > If you shutdown the box, pull out /dev/sda, and reboot, the box will > come up (assuming that grub is set up properly) using /dev/sdb1. If > you then shutdown, re-insert /dev/sda, and reboot, the box will come > up using /dev/sdb1 with /dev/sda1 available (and possibly even > assembled into its own, new, one-disk RAID 1 md device, /dev/mdX). If > /dev/sda1 is a member of /dev/mdX, you have to run "mdadm --stop > /dev/mdX", otherwise you can skip this step. You then run "mdadm > /dev/md1 --add /dev/sda1" to add /dev/sda1 to /dev/md1. You have to > ensure that the mirror syncs before pulling any disk out again. > > The proper way to remove a disk from an array is, even if disk dies, > to run "mdadm /dev/md1 --fail /dev/sda1; mdadm /dev/md1 --remove > /dev/sda1". Thank you Tom, I have printed out you reply so that I have it on hand. On re-reading The book I saw the parts you were refering to. At the time of playing with PCLinuxOS I was not sure what I could do with raid 1. At least I understand a little bit more. Again many thanks. Gerald From azlannd at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 23:02:50 2010 From: azlannd at gmail.com (azlan mazlan) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 07:02:50 +0800 Subject: Installing Kubuntu.. Need Help Message-ID: Has anyone isntalled kubuntu running nvidia gts 450 on x32 platform Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 23:43:12 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 19:43:12 -0400 Subject: Evolution and Local vCalendar In-Reply-To: <201010100008.41187.pascal@francq.info> References: <201010081419.04203.pascal@francq.info> <201010092201.52163.pascal@francq.info> <1286658916.9074.3369.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010100008.41187.pascal@francq.info> Message-ID: <1286667792.1540.86.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 00:08 +0200, Pascal Francq wrote: > As far as I know, Nepomuk works only for Kontact. De fact is that, since > KPilot is not supported any more, the only way to synchronise my address book > and calendar is to use Evolution (which still supports synchronisation with > Pilot devices). I have a look to OpenSync, but it seems not to work with Pilot > devices either. Worse comes to worse, you might be able to to use google/gmail as the middle man and sync all of your devices to there?? I'm learning to use google groups calendar, to sync our calendars with, and Evolution plays nicely with it. It looks to becoming a defacto standard. Maybe the same will hold true for addressbooks? Might be worth checking out. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From valtermura at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 07:59:04 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 09:59:04 +0200 Subject: Evolution and Local vCalendar In-Reply-To: <201010081419.04203.pascal@francq.info> References: <201010081419.04203.pascal@francq.info> Message-ID: <201010100959.05205.valtermura@gmail.com> In data venerdì 8 ottobre 2010 14:19:03, Pascal Francq ha scritto: > Hi, > I want to use a local vCalendar file for my contacts in Evolution (in fact, > I want to sync my Kontact information with my Pilot). It seems that > Evolution uses by default its own database. I suppose there must be some > way to make it handle local vcf files, but I do not find how. > Any idea? > Thanks KitchenSync? http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=132538 Ciao -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From jriddell at ubuntu.com Sun Oct 10 10:35:16 2010 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:35:16 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 10.10 Released Message-ID: <20101010103516.GD27702@muse.19inch.net> It's 10:10:10 on 10/10/10! Here's Kubuntu 10.10 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release Download or upgrade now http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu Highlights include all the latest KDE Software, an application focused software installer, combined Desktop/Netbook images, new installer layout (MP3 ready during the install!), a new web browser, a shiny new font, a nifty global menu for Netbook, ooh lots more! Do read the release notes https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes and let us know what you think https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback Jonathan From pascal at francq.info Sun Oct 10 15:16:21 2010 From: pascal at francq.info (Pascal Francq) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:16:21 +0200 Subject: Evolution and Local vCalendar In-Reply-To: <201010100959.05205.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <201010081419.04203.pascal@francq.info> <201010100959.05205.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010101716.24049.pascal@francq.info> I will compile it to test it. Thanks. On dimanche 10 octobre 2010, Valter Mura wrote: > In data venerdì 8 ottobre 2010 14:19:03, Pascal Francq ha scritto: > > Hi, > > I want to use a local vCalendar file for my contacts in Evolution (in > > fact, I want to sync my Kontact information with my Pilot). It seems > > that Evolution uses by default its own database. I suppose there must be > > some way to make it handle local vcf files, but I do not find how. > > Any idea? > > Thanks > > KitchenSync? > > http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=132538 > > Ciao -- Dr. Ir. Pascal Francq BELGIUM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From oeyrvin at hagan.no Sun Oct 10 15:40:35 2010 From: oeyrvin at hagan.no (Ole-Erik Yrvin) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:40:35 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 10.10 Released - Thanks In-Reply-To: <20101010103516.GD27702@muse.19inch.net> References: <20101010103516.GD27702@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <201010101740.36155.oeyrvin@hagan.no> Jonatan Riddell Everything went fine with the Adept 10.10 MaverickMeerkat upgrade. Thanks to you all... Ole-Erik Y. Kubuntu 10.10 Released Dato: I dag 12.35.16 Fra: Jonathan Riddell Til: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Svar til: Kubuntu user technical support It's 10:10:10 on 10/10/10! Here's Kubuntu 10.10 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release Download or upgrade now http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu Highlights include all the latest KDE Software, an application focused software installer, combined Desktop/Netbook images, new installer layout (MP3 ready during the install!), a new web browser, a shiny new font, a nifty global menu for Netbook, ooh lots more! Do read the release notes https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes and let us know what you think https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback Jonathan -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sat Oct 9 16:54:05 2010 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:54:05 -0700 Subject: help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010090954.05729.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:38:40 am JK wrote: > I am a new comer to Linux. > I am using Kubuntu in my Net book.The bug fixes up to 28/09/2010 was > downloaded. The system was running peaceful. Using synaptic I have > uninstalled a few packages name starting with X. When I restarted, the > login dialogue box appears, receives password then a black screen with the > mouse indication only is shown. I am not at all familiar with the commands > etc at the recovery mode prompt. Can anyone suggest an easiest method > using GUI Well yes, if you remove X, you have no GUI. X is what the GUI runs on and if it is still there startx would be the command to start it. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 00:04:34 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:04:34 -0400 Subject: help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1286755474.8143.219.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 21:08 +0530, JK wrote: > I am a new comer to Linux. > I am using Kubuntu in my Net book.The bug fixes up to 28/09/2010 was > downloaded. The system was running peaceful. Using synaptic I have > uninstalled a few packages name starting with X. When I restarted, the > login dialogue box appears, receives password then a black screen with the > mouse indication only is shown. I am not at all familiar with the commands > etc at the recovery mode prompt. Can anyone suggest an easiest method > using GUI Re-install, don't delete things beginning with "X". Not until you know exactly what you're deleting. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Oct 11 13:40:11 2010 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:40:11 -0500 Subject: OT - Good things about Ubuntu Message-ID: <4CB313BB.7050909@swbell.net> This goes out to hundreds, if not thousands, of Windows users. *************************************************************************** Linux used to be an operating system designed for techies but the versions released in recent years have become more and more user-friendly, to the point where several Linux versions are now easier to install and use than Windows. Installing new software is easier on Ubuntu Linux than on any other operating system I have used. Most Linux software is available free of charge and can be installed with only a few mouseclicks, no technical knowledge required. More than 2,000 free programs are available, all of them easily installed. Installing new peripherals is usually easier on Ubuntu Linux than on other operating systems, if the peripheral is known and is already in Ubuntu's list of thousands of drivers. http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/10/ubuntu-linux-1010-is-released.html -- "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pwhite at bluewin.ch Mon Oct 11 16:49:09 2010 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:49:09 +0200 Subject: Grub too long and 3 Linux In-Reply-To: <4CB08BE2.3000809@gmx.com> References: <201010081933.13889.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <201010091721.13690.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <4CB08BE2.3000809@gmx.com> Message-ID: <201010111849.09957.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Saturday 09 October 2010 17.36:02 Goh Lip, vous avez écrit (you wrote) : > On Saturday 09,October,2010 11:21 PM, Perry wrote: > > Good to know, so one can expect more and more problems with new hardware > > or software, until the old release becomes totally autistic. > > Autistic? Heh. Right, it would be closer to the locked-in syndrome. > But just to add to David's, don't forget to update-grub at the OS where > it is set to sda (mbr) Not sure I understand. I thought Grub had to be on the mbr, (taking the place of M$ loader) unless the mbr contains another multiboot program that would chainload through Grub. The BIOS always starts reading the mbr, no? Also, as I understood it, the mbr is so small it can only contain enough code to trigger the execution of more code stored elsewhere...then I'm not sure of the details and where it is. So (I know) all my KUbuntu releases placed Grub in the mbr, but the latest release installed may have overwritten an older Grub version and also perhaps changed some pointer to this extra code needed to boot. Therefore it seems sensible to update grub from that OS. > so that the new kernels are included in the menu. ans so the old kernels (purged) are excluded. > > Regards - Goh Lip > Thanks a lot and please do correct me if my conception is wrong. Cheers Perry OT : really the worst thing about this Grand Unified Bootloader is its anagram, Grub, Grunt? Grab? Whereas Lilo was so sweet a name. -- BOFH excuse #454: Keyboard Actuator Failure. Order and Replace. From ulysses at kubuntu.org Mon Oct 11 16:51:59 2010 From: ulysses at kubuntu.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Krist=C3=B3f_Kiszel?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:51:59 +0000 Subject: High system load, UI freeze Message-ID: Hello, I used Kubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx until the release of Maverick Meerkat. When the release was announced I began the upgrade via Update Manager, but the upgrade process failed with error code 1 after downloading the packagesm right after the beginning of the upgrade of packages (last package mentioned by Update Manager was the perl if I remember well). When I tried to restart the upgrade from KPackageKit it gave me an error (error code 127). From console, aptitude can't start too, some library missed. With sudo apt-get install -f ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I was able to end the upgrade process. After rebooting there was some missing thing, like the NetworkManager plasmoid, I had to install it manually, however the package existed in the cache. But after some time (doesn't matter the uptime) the system load began going high (the record was 13.46), and sometimes the whole UI freezed, I can't switch to tty either. I tried with the older 2.6.32 kernel, and upgrading to KDE 4.5.2 from the Kubuntu Updates PPA, but they don't solve the problem. I reported a bug on Launchpad[1], it desribes the same thing with Kubuntu 10.10 Beta upgraded from Kubuntu 10.04. If you want from me anything, I try to give it. Kristóf Kiszel [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/644740 From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 16:54:32 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:54:32 -0600 Subject: HTML preview plasmoid? In-Reply-To: <201010071745.51153.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <4CADDED3.1060803@gmail.com> <201010071745.51153.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CB34148.1000100@gmail.com> Thomas Olsen said the following at 10/07/2010 09:45 AM : > On Thursday 07 October 2010 16:53:07 D. R. Evans wrote: >> 1. Finding a particular plasmoid seems to be very difficult (running lucid >> here). Is there some sort of sensible list that enables one just to read >> all the descriptions and find the one one wants? >> >> 2. I'm looking for a plasmoid that does the following: >> every N (configurable) minutes grab a particular remote page (actually a >> PHP script, but that shouldn't matter) and render the result. >> >> It's quite possible (indeed I would expect it to be true) that a plasmoid >> meeting #2 is installed, but because of #1 I have no idea which of the ~100 >> installed plasmoids it might be. >> >> Doc > > http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Scripted+HTML?content=102052 That turns out to be fatally buggy: every time I reboot (rare, but does happen when an update requires it) plasma crashes (considerably more frequent than a reboot) and restarts, that plasmoid fails to reload the configuration information. It won't even restart properly even after manually reloading the configuration information. I have to add a new instantiation of the plasmoid and remove the old one :-( Is there another plasmoid that performs this function and perhaps is more reliable? Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But, if you set *both* grub2 of 10.04 *and* 10.10 to mbr (sda), so whenever update-grub is done at *either* OS, the most recent update-grub OS will be reset to mbr. Regards - Goh Lip From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 18:40:12 2010 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:40:12 +0200 Subject: Finding Kubuntu download mirrors Message-ID: In my opinion it is a real pain to find a Kubuntu download mirror. Before I go any further, is there a page of Kubuntu download mirrors that points to the latest versions of the distro on the kubuntu.org website? I could not find one, but I could be mistaken. 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To answer your question though, I took a quick glance at the download page and I couldn't find any mirrors -- // Isak Enström From isak.enstrom at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 19:43:30 2010 From: isak.enstrom at gmail.com (Isak =?iso-8859-1?q?Enstr=F6m?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:43:30 +0200 Subject: Finding Kubuntu download mirrors In-Reply-To: <201010112109.11982.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> References: <201010112109.11982.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010112143.31229.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> On Monday 11 October 2010 21.09.11 Isak Enström wrote: > On Monday 11 October 2010 20.40.12 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > In my opinion it is a real pain to find a Kubuntu download mirror. > > Before I go any further, is there a page of Kubuntu download mirrors > > that points to the latest versions of the distro on the kubuntu.org > > website? I could not find one, but I could be mistaken. > > > > Thanks. > > Wouldn't it be easier to download using torrent? > > To answer your question though, I took a quick glance at the download page > and I couldn't find any mirrors If you haven't found it already, here's two links with download mirrors http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#mirrors https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors -- // Isak Enström From walter.kerkhofs at scarlet.be Mon Oct 11 19:50:01 2010 From: walter.kerkhofs at scarlet.be (Walter Kerkhofs) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:50:01 +0200 Subject: Question fresh install. In-Reply-To: <201009301955.47061.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <201009301955.47061.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010112150.02800.walter.kerkhofs@scarlet.be> Op donderdag 30 september 2010 18:55:46 schreef Georgi Kourtev: > Dear all, > > I have a production machine that was my first-ever 100% linux machine. I > started with Kubuntu 8.04 and during the past two years I have just > upgraded the OS and now I run with 10.04.1., KDE 4.5.1. > > All is fine but due to the fact that this was my 'first-ever-machine' with > linux (now my whole office with 7 PCs is with Kubuntu), I was using it to > experiment everything that I wanted to try. As I am not expert, I found > out that after two years it started to work rather slow. For example, the > login takes about 1,5-2 minutes, after opening Kontact, I need to wait for > about 5-8 minutes for some disk-work that blocks everything, etc. > > So I decided to do a fresh install soon after 10.10 is available with /home > on a separate partition. My question is what should I do to preserve all > my work on that machine (which is my primary office production machine)? > I do back-ups every week. It is obvious that I will need to copy back all > files from my Documents, Pictures and all the rest visible directories > under /home. Also to follow some of the instruction to migrate my > mails/addresses/calendar entries into the new install. > > What else? Any advice that will make my life easier is appreciated. > > Many thanks, > gk Dear Georgi, My excuses for replying so late. The last topic off this article will be very usefull for you: http://popey.com/blog/2010/03/11/why-ubuntu-is-better-than-windows/ I really like to know if this is possible with the Kubuntu installer. Greetings, Walter Kerkhofs -- www.kubuntu.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The BIOS always starts reading the mbr, no? > Also, as I understood it, the mbr is so small it can only contain enough code > to trigger the execution of more code stored elsewhere...then I'm not sure of > the details and where it is. > Actually, the MBR does not contain any code per se. The purpose of the MBR is to tell the BIOS how to handle booting the disk, if it is bootable. Every bootable disk must have an MBR! Non- bootable disks do not have MBRs. The MBRs consist entirely of data and instructions, not code. Hope this clears up any misconceptions. /* * * * * * * * * * Snip! * * * * * * * */ -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis (Juvenal), Roman Poet, late 1st, early 2nd century AD ("Who will protect us from the protectors?") From stan10x10 at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 20:41:59 2010 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:41:59 -0400 Subject: upgrade to 10.10 Message-ID: Did this and process took about 1 3/4 hours on a theoretically 6 gig dsl line. Process went without a hitch and was totally simple. Much easer and trouble free compared to win 7. Am surprised how bright and polished Kubuntu is looking. Update of K-package is tasty. I am still exploring but the included documentation will make things much simpler for total noobs. Perceptually it also seems quicker. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan10x10 at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 20:57:18 2010 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:57:18 -0400 Subject: audio workstation software needed Message-ID: I recently made acquaintance with a new person who works with pro audio equipment under mac os. He is having difficulty with what appears to be not enough horsepower on his computer and would like to avoid buying a new $$$ Mac I am trying to remember the name of a massive audio program I once found that is not in the repositories (even medibuntu). I installed it out of curiosity and at once felt like I had wondered into a lecture on advanced cosmology. It also loaded a special low latency kernel. Does anyone have an idea what the program might have been? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 22:17:12 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:17:12 +0200 Subject: upgrade to 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010120017.13013.valtermura@gmail.com> In data lunedì 11 ottobre 2010 22:41:59, uriah heep ha scritto: > Did this and process took about 1 3/4 hours on a theoretically 6 gig dsl > line. Process went without a hitch and was totally simple. Much easer and > trouble free compared to win 7. Am surprised how bright and polished > Kubuntu is looking. Update of K-package is tasty. I am still exploring but > the included documentation will make things much simpler for total noobs. > Perceptually it also seems quicker. I agree with you. :-) -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 22:28:00 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:28:00 +0200 Subject: audio workstation software needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010120028.01271.valtermura@gmail.com> In data lunedì 11 ottobre 2010 22:57:18, uriah heep ha scritto: > I recently made acquaintance with a new person who works with pro audio > equipment under mac os. He is having difficulty with what appears to be > not enough horsepower on his computer and would like to avoid buying a new > $$$ Mac I am trying to remember the name of a massive audio program I once > found that is not in the repositories (even medibuntu). I installed it > out of curiosity and at once felt like I had wondered into a lecture on > advanced cosmology. It also loaded a special low latency kernel. Does > anyone have an idea what the program might have been? Massive audio for what? Listening? Editing? Karaokeing? :-) Cheers -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 23:02:29 2010 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 01:02:29 +0200 Subject: Finding Kubuntu download mirrors In-Reply-To: <201010112143.31229.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> References: <201010112109.11982.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> <201010112143.31229.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 21:43, Isak Enström wrote: > If you haven't found it already, here's two links with download mirrors > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#mirrors Those are Ubuntu mirrors, not Kubuntu mirrors. Most of them have Kubuntu too, but not all and from some it is easy to mistakenly download Ubuntu instead of Kubuntu. > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors > Same applies here. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From bqz69 at telia.com Mon Oct 11 23:15:56 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 23:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: how to install kicker-applets in ubuntu 10.10 Message-ID: I need the system load viewer in my panel, the one with color graphics. Therefore I have to install the kicker-applets, but synaptic gives error. So how do you install the kicker-applets package? From rrumberger at web.de Mon Oct 11 23:27:04 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 01:27:04 +0200 Subject: how to install kicker-applets in ubuntu 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010120127.07263.rrumberger@web.de> On Tuesday 12 October 2010, user1 wrote: > I need the system load viewer in my panel, the one with color > graphics. There are at least two I know of that fit that description - but then it isn't much of a description... > Therefore I have to install the kicker-applets, but synaptic gives > error. > > So how do you install the kicker-applets package? There is no kicker in KDE 4. Try installing "plasma-widgets-addons" and "plasma-widgets-workspace". --Reinhold From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Oct 12 00:03:27 2010 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 01:03:27 +0100 Subject: Finding Kubuntu download mirrors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11 October 2010 19:40, Dotan Cohen wrote: > In my opinion it is a real pain to find a Kubuntu download mirror. > Before I go any further, is there a page of Kubuntu download mirrors > that points to the latest versions of the distro on the kubuntu.org > website? I could not find one, but I could be mistaken. Our download page will download from a suitable mirror http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download Jonathan From sgrace at pobox.com Tue Oct 12 00:06:07 2010 From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steve Grace) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:06:07 -0700 Subject: audio workstation software needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB3A66F.7030006@pobox.com> On 10/11/2010 01:57 PM, uriah heep wrote: > I recently made acquaintance with a new person who works with pro audio > equipment under mac os. He is having difficulty with what appears to be > not enough horsepower on his computer and would like to avoid buying a > new $$$ Mac I am trying to remember the name of a massive audio program > I once found that is not in the repositories (even medibuntu). I > installed it out of curiosity and at once felt like I had wondered into > a lecture on advanced cosmology. It also loaded a special low latency > kernel. Does anyone have an idea what the program might have been? Perhaps it was Ardour (which is supposedly Pro Tools-like). From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 00:49:35 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:49:35 -0400 Subject: audio workstation software needed In-Reply-To: <4CB3A66F.7030006@pobox.com> References: <4CB3A66F.7030006@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1286844575.8143.1938.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:06 -0700, Steve Grace wrote: > On 10/11/2010 01:57 PM, uriah heep wrote: > > I recently made acquaintance with a new person who works with pro audio > > equipment under mac os. He is having difficulty with what appears to be > > not enough horsepower on his computer and would like to avoid buying a > > new $$$ Mac I am trying to remember the name of a massive audio program > > I once found that is not in the repositories (even medibuntu). I > > installed it out of curiosity and at once felt like I had wondered into > > a lecture on advanced cosmology. It also loaded a special low latency > > kernel. Does anyone have an idea what the program might have been? > > Perhaps it was Ardour (which is supposedly Pro Tools-like). Oh heck! Another braincell just died and went poof! It's "planet" something or another. If I'm not mistaken it was a total install, that included a kernel built, as he says, for a low latency kernel. planetcrm or planetcrmm, something like that. Yup, totally designed for sound, but it leaned heavily on jack-audio, which I would think pulse would do as well now. People that used it swore by it. google ought to bring it out for you. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 01:49:32 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:49:32 -0600 Subject: audio workstation software needed In-Reply-To: <1286844575.8143.1938.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4CB3A66F.7030006@pobox.com> <1286844575.8143.1938.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4CB3BEAC.2010208@gmail.com> Ric Moore said the following at 10/11/2010 06:49 PM : > > It's "planet" something or another. If I'm not mistaken it was a total http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ > designed for sound, but it leaned heavily on jack-audio, which I would > think pulse would do as well now. People that used it swore by it. For serious audio work you most definitely want the jack audio bus and the programs that talk to it. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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People that used it swore by it. > > For serious audio work you most definitely want the jack audio bus and the > programs that talk to it. > > Doc > > -- > Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan10x10 at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 02:13:17 2010 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:13:17 -0400 Subject: audio workstation software needed In-Reply-To: <201010120028.01271.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <201010120028.01271.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: recording and editing On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Valter Mura wrote: > In data lunedì 11 ottobre 2010 22:57:18, uriah heep ha scritto: > > > I recently made acquaintance with a new person who works with pro audio > > equipment under mac os. He is having difficulty with what appears to be > > not enough horsepower on his computer and would like to avoid buying a > new > > $$$ Mac I am trying to remember the name of a massive audio program I > once > > found that is not in the repositories (even medibuntu). I installed it > > out of curiosity and at once felt like I had wondered into a lecture on > > advanced cosmology. It also loaded a special low latency kernel. Does > > anyone have an idea what the program might have been? > > Massive audio for what? Listening? Editing? Karaokeing? :-) > > Cheers > -- > Valter > Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org > Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org > OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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More > than 2,000 free programs are available, all of them easily installed. > Installing new peripherals is usually easier on Ubuntu Linux than on > other operating systems, if the peripheral is known and is already in > Ubuntu's list of thousands of drivers. > > http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/10/ubuntu-linux-1010-is-released.html > -- > "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington > Here is something which I read earlier today. If you *really* want to spread the word....... Why companies watch your every Facebook, YouTube, Twitter move http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11450923 BC -- Went to a discount massage parlour the other day. Wasn't 'til I paid me money that I found out that it was self-service. From isak.enstrom at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 07:31:35 2010 From: isak.enstrom at gmail.com (Isak =?iso-8859-1?q?Enstr=F6m?=) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:31:35 +0200 Subject: Finding Kubuntu download mirrors In-Reply-To: References: <201010112143.31229.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010120931.35982.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> On Tuesday 12 October 2010 01.02.29 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 21:43, Isak Enström wrote: > > If you haven't found it already, here's two links with download mirrors > > > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#mirrors > > Those are Ubuntu mirrors, not Kubuntu mirrors. Most of them have > Kubuntu too, but not all and from some it is easy to mistakenly > download Ubuntu instead of Kubuntu. > > > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors > > Same applies here. Surprised to hear that Kubuntu isn't available on all of the mirrors since it's part of the Ubuntu family. Are you not directed to a suitable mirror when downloading from kubuntu.org? -- // Isak Enström From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 08:05:44 2010 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:05:44 +0200 Subject: Finding Kubuntu download mirrors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:03, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > On 11 October 2010 19:40, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> In my opinion it is a real pain to find a Kubuntu download mirror. >> Before I go any further, is there a page of Kubuntu download mirrors >> that points to the latest versions of the distro on the kubuntu.org >> website? I could not find one, but I could be mistaken. > > Our download page will download from a suitable mirror > http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download > For values of suitable < 10 kb/s. The download might might often download from a suitable mirror, but not always. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From bqz69 at telia.com Tue Oct 12 09:06:26 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: how to install kicker-applets in ubuntu 10.10 References: <201010120127.07263.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 01:27:04 +0200, Reinhold Rumberger wrote: > On Tuesday 12 October 2010, user1 wrote: >> I need the system load viewer in my panel, the one with color graphics. I installed kdeplasma-addons and got the "system load viewer" widget. How do I get it moved onto the panel line? When I right -or left click on it it only shows a pup up window, but I cannot drag it onto the panel. From regcity at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 09:06:38 2010 From: regcity at gmail.com (Andrew Otte) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:06:38 +1000 Subject: Help with bluetooth In-Reply-To: <201010120931.35982.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> References: <201010112143.31229.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> <201010120931.35982.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CB4251E.4010807@gmail.com> Help, Fresh install of Maverick and my bluetooth mouse will not pair. The new bluedevil finds the mouse and attempts to connect but stops at the pin validation stage. I do not know where to look to find a solution and the cli tools are different than what I know. eg. hidd --search used to work now hidd no longer exists. Can someone help btw. It is a fairly standard MS bluetooth mouse -- ----------------------- Andrew Otte Laidley, Australia regcity at gmail.com otte at optusnet.com.au Phone: (07) 5465 2172 Mobile: 04 2380 4620 ----------------------- From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 09:19:30 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:19:30 +0200 Subject: audio workstation software needed In-Reply-To: References: <201010120028.01271.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010121119.31497.valtermura@gmail.com> In data martedì 12 ottobre 2010 04:13:17, uriah heep ha scritto: > recording and editing As the others have already said, Ubuntu Studio is a good choice. Ardor and Audacity are good single apps. Cheers, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 09:36:06 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:36:06 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 Message-ID: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> Hi All, with the new release in subject (Maverick 10.10), the system changed the handling of the audio, at least for me, from alsa to pulseaudio. Now my microphone doesn't work (I tried it with Skype, that I use) and in the setting interface of the mixer there are no options to set channels and devices. Is there anybody who knows how to get solved this problem, keeping the pulseaudio server? Or is it necessary to open a bug? Cheers, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From rrumberger at web.de Tue Oct 12 09:44:59 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:44:59 +0200 Subject: how to install kicker-applets in ubuntu 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010120127.07263.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <201010121145.03230.rrumberger@web.de> On Tuesday 12 October 2010, user1 wrote: > On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 01:27:04 +0200, Reinhold Rumberger wrote: > > On Tuesday 12 October 2010, user1 wrote: > >> I need the system load viewer in my panel, the one with color > >> graphics. > > I installed kdeplasma-addons and got the "system load viewer" > widget. > > How do I get it moved onto the panel line? > > When I right -or left click on it it only shows a pup up window, > but I cannot drag it onto the panel. Like every other KDE 4 widget, you either add it to the panel directly or use the little bar to the right or left, which appears when you move the mouse over the widget. Obviously, you mustn't have locked widgets for this to work. --Reinhold From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 10:04:56 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:04:56 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> On 12/10/2010 11:36, Valter Mura wrote: > Hi All, > > with the new release in subject (Maverick 10.10), the system changed the > handling of the audio, at least for me, from alsa to pulseaudio. > > Now my microphone doesn't work (I tried it with Skype, that I use) and in the > setting interface of the mixer there are no options to set channels and > devices. > > Is there anybody who knows how to get solved this problem, keeping the > pulseaudio server? Or is it necessary to open a bug? In a way I see it as a bug, I had the same experience as you. However, digging the list archives I found that if you install pavucontrol from Kpackagekit (or whatever you prefer) that gives you the setting options you need. I managed to get my built-in mic selected and working using that. Now I would like to see a System Settings module for this though... Sinclair From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 11:22:24 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:22:24 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010121322.24811.valtermura@gmail.com> In data martedì 12 ottobre 2010 12:04:56, O. Sinclair ha scritto: > On 12/10/2010 11:36, Valter Mura wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > with the new release in subject (Maverick 10.10), the system changed the > > handling of the audio, at least for me, from alsa to pulseaudio. > > > > Now my microphone doesn't work (I tried it with Skype, that I use) and in > > the setting interface of the mixer there are no options to set channels > > and devices. > > > > Is there anybody who knows how to get solved this problem, keeping the > > pulseaudio server? Or is it necessary to open a bug? > > In a way I see it as a bug, I had the same experience as you. However, > digging the list archives I found that if you install pavucontrol from > Kpackagekit (or whatever you prefer) that gives you the setting options > you need. > > I managed to get my built-in mic selected and working using that. Now I > would like to see a System Settings module for this though... Thank you Sinclair, do I need to disactivate KMix app? Or can they live together? I will submit these considerations to the devel list, by the way. Cheers, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 11:45:52 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:45:52 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <201010121322.24811.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <201010121322.24811.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CB44A70.5060501@gmail.com> On 12/10/2010 13:22, Valter Mura wrote: > In data martedì 12 ottobre 2010 12:04:56, O. Sinclair ha scritto: > >> On 12/10/2010 11:36, Valter Mura wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> with the new release in subject (Maverick 10.10), the system changed the >>> handling of the audio, at least for me, from alsa to pulseaudio. >>> >>> Now my microphone doesn't work (I tried it with Skype, that I use) and in >>> the setting interface of the mixer there are no options to set channels >>> and devices. >>> >>> Is there anybody who knows how to get solved this problem, keeping the >>> pulseaudio server? Or is it necessary to open a bug? >> >> In a way I see it as a bug, I had the same experience as you. However, >> digging the list archives I found that if you install pavucontrol from >> Kpackagekit (or whatever you prefer) that gives you the setting options >> you need. >> >> I managed to get my built-in mic selected and working using that. Now I >> would like to see a System Settings module for this though... > > Thank you Sinclair, > > do I need to disactivate KMix app? Or can they live together? > > I will submit these considerations to the devel list, by the way. On my computer KMix works as a volume control now, there are also tabs for "streams" that come active when I eg play music via Amarok. So yes, it seems they can interact. The "only" thing missing from KMix now seems to be what we mentioned, choice of active mic input etc. Best Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 13:27:33 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:27:33 +0200 Subject: panel always start w wrong size Message-ID: <4CB46245.4080600@gmail.com> on Kubuntu 10.10 and KDE 4.5.1 most things work well, have found a few glitches though. One is irritating: I work on a laptop and connect to an external monitor. When I switch over to the external monitor the Panel does not automatically resize but has to be maximized manually. Every time... Anyone have an idea, it was not like that in Lucid and I have found no setting for it. Kindly Sinclair From bqz69 at telia.com Tue Oct 12 13:49:29 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: how to install kicker-applets in ubuntu 10.10 References: <201010120127.07263.rrumberger@web.de> <201010121145.03230.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: > Like every other KDE 4 widget, you either add it to the panel directly > or use the little bar to the right or left, which appears when you move > the mouse over the widget. Obviously, you mustn't have locked widgets > for this to work. I have unlocked the widgets. Then I can scroll along a lot of widgets on top of the panel and find my widget. I see no little bar, only the pop up window with information about the widget when I move the mouse over the widget? From rrumberger at web.de Tue Oct 12 14:02:06 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:02:06 +0200 Subject: how to install kicker-applets in ubuntu 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121145.03230.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <201010121602.11189.rrumberger@web.de> On Tuesday 12 October 2010, user1 wrote: > > Like every other KDE 4 widget, you either add it to the panel > > directly or use the little bar to the right or left, which > > appears when you move the mouse over the widget. Obviously, you > > mustn't have locked widgets for this to work. > > I have unlocked the widgets. > > Then I can scroll along a lot of widgets on top of the panel and > find my widget. Where is the widget now? In the panel? Could you describe the current situation in a little more detail? I can't see what's happening on your screen, after all. > I see no little bar, only the pop up window with information about > the widget when I move the mouse over the widget? That's only visible when the widget isn't in the panel. --Reinhold From bqz69 at telia.com Tue Oct 12 14:26:18 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: how to install kicker-applets in ubuntu 10.10 References: <201010121145.03230.rrumberger@web.de> <201010121602.11189.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: >> I have unlocked the widgets. >> >> Then I can scroll along a lot of widgets on top of the panel and find >> my widget. > > Where is the widget now? In the panel? Could you describe the current > situation in a little more detail? I can't see what's happening on your > screen, after all. The widget is sitting above the panel, together with a lot of other widgets, ready to be moved into the panel (If I had the widget sitting in the panel I did not have any problem *smile*) From claydoh at claydoh.com Tue Oct 12 14:28:57 2010 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:28:57 -0400 Subject: how to install kicker-applets in ubuntu 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121145.03230.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <201010121028.58133.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Tuesday, October 12, 2010 09:49:29 am user1 wrote: > > Like every other KDE 4 widget, you either add it to the panel directly > > or use the little bar to the right or left, which appears when you move > > the mouse over the widget. Obviously, you mustn't have locked widgets > > for this to work. > > I have unlocked the widgets. > > Then I can scroll along a lot of widgets on top of the panel and find my > widget. > > I see no little bar, only the pop up window with information about the > widget when I move the mouse over the widget? For some panel-specific visual how-to's look here http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/HowTo#Panel http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma has a lot of information that may help Clay From bqz69 at telia.com Tue Oct 12 14:50:47 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: dolphin in meercat cannot mount partitions Message-ID: I have just installed meercat, and have some partitions with data. Now I cannot mount these partitions using dolphin. I can fine mount/unmount using nautilus. From rrumberger at web.de Tue Oct 12 15:36:02 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:36:02 +0200 Subject: how to install kicker-applets in ubuntu 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121602.11189.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <201010121736.05763.rrumberger@web.de> On Tuesday 12 October 2010, user1 wrote: > >> I have unlocked the widgets. > >> > >> Then I can scroll along a lot of widgets on top of the panel > >> and find my widget. > > > > Where is the widget now? In the panel? Could you describe the > > current situation in a little more detail? I can't see what's > > happening on your screen, after all. > > The widget is sitting above the panel, together with a lot of > other widgets, ready to be moved into the panel (If I had the > widget sitting in the panel I did not have any problem *smile*) You mean you're in the add widgets dialog? So just klick on it to add it to the panel. Clay's links should be helpful, they're probably way better at explaining than I'd be. --Reinhold From bqz69 at telia.com Tue Oct 12 16:40:58 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: how to install kicker-applets in ubuntu 10.10 References: <201010121602.11189.rrumberger@web.de> <201010121736.05763.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: > You mean you're in the add widgets dialog? So just klick on it to add it > to the panel. Clay's links should be helpful, they're probably way > better at explaining than I'd be. Ok, I had first to drag the widget from the add widget dialog to the desktop, and then to resize the widget so it became smaller, and then drag it from the desktop onto the panel *smile* - at least that worked. From stan10x10 at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 18:39:34 2010 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:39:34 -0700 Subject: audio workstation software needed In-Reply-To: <201010121119.31497.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <201010120028.01271.valtermura@gmail.com> <201010121119.31497.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Valter Mura wrote: > In data martedì 12 ottobre 2010 04:13:17, uriah heep ha scritto: > > > recording and editing > > As the others have already said, Ubuntu Studio is a good choice. > > Ardor and Audacity are good single apps. > > Cheers, > -- > Valter > Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org > Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org > OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org > This stuff is for an acquaintance and hopefully will get him interested in Linux. The program I found before was Ardour which I can install on my laptop to give him an idea of what open source has and then direct him to the Planet CCRMA program and assist him in setting up a dual boot system if he likes what he sees. I use Audicity which more than covers my meager personal needs Again thanks for all the help. Uriah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hakan at koseoglu.org Tue Oct 12 18:44:23 2010 From: hakan at koseoglu.org (Hakan Koseoglu) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:44:23 +0100 Subject: audio workstation software needed In-Reply-To: References: <201010120028.01271.valtermura@gmail.com> <201010121119.31497.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12 October 2010 19:39, uriah heep wrote: > This stuff is for an acquaintance and hopefully will get him interested in > Linux.  The program I found before was Ardour which I can install on my > laptop to give him an idea of what open source has and then direct him to > the Planet CCRMA program and assist him in setting up a dual boot system if > he likes what he sees. I use Audicity which more than covers my meager > personal needs  Again thanks for all the help. PlanetCCRMA is for Fedora. For audio-centric Ubuntu, you need to look at Ubuntu Studio metapackages (or the prepackaged distribution). More or less they cover the same applications, IMHO Ubuntu Studio is a bit less hassle to install. -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 19:38:25 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:38:25 -0600 Subject: audio workstation software needed In-Reply-To: References: <201010120028.01271.valtermura@gmail.com> <201010121119.31497.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CB4B931.9010200@gmail.com> uriah heep said the following at 10/12/2010 12:39 PM : > Linux. The program I found before was Ardour which I can install on my > laptop to give him an idea of what open source has and then direct him to Right... ardour is pretty much likely to be the backbone of any serious Linux audio workstation (and following that analagy, jack will be the nerves). On a sufficiently fast system working with a small number of tracks it works well even without a real-time kernel; but if one is trying to do real multi-channel professional-quality audio, then the planet/studio distributions are much preferred, since they install RT kernels. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(on Hardy I don't even seem to have a grub.cfg) > > But, if you set *both* grub2 of 10.04 *and* 10.10 to mbr (sda), Saya mengerty (I understand) > so whenever update-grub is done at *either* OS, the most recent that is the latest installed or updated version , not necessarily the newest. (update-grub should be named reflect or enact or set-up grub because it does not perform an update, i.e. fetch the latest release) > update-grub OS will be reset to mbr. > > Regards - Goh Lip > Le Monday 11 October 2010 22.21:00 Tom Bell, vous avez écrit (you wrote) : > On 10/11/2010 12:49 PM, Perry wrote: >> Le Saturday 09 October 2010 17.36:02 Goh Lip, vous avez écrit (you wrote) : >/* * * * * * * * Snip! * * * * * * * / > > >> >> Not sure I understand. I thought Grub had to be on the mbr, (taking the place >> of M$ loader) unless the mbr contains another multiboot program that would >> chainload through Grub. The BIOS always starts reading the mbr, no? >> Also, as I understood it, the mbr is so small it can only contain enough code >> to trigger the execution of more code stored elsewhere...then I'm not sure of >> the details and where it is. >> >Actually, the MBR does not contain any code per se. The purpose of the >MBR is to tell the BIOS >how to handle booting the disk, if it is bootable. Every bootable disk >must have an MBR! It was simply called a boot-block on old floppies. >Non- >bootable disks do not have MBRs. The MBRs consist entirely of data and >instructions, not code. Ha, Ha, interesting. >Hope this clears up any misconceptions. Yes, it helps, thanks a lot. So I guess any Grub installation or update if set to the mbr (or the reinstallation of M$), will overwrite this mbr... and the Grub menu could well be on the mbr too. Then according to the OS selected the instructions and data in the mbr can redirect the booting process to the proper place in the proper partition. It follows, if I understood correctly, that the mbr is really a "lowest common denominator", and any release or OS should be able to write it... but there is a catch: M$ pays no attention to other OS and Linux only copes "as well as it can", so if an old distro can not (for example) read the formatting of a more recent partition it will fail to recognize it as a booting partition and include it in the menu. This is why one should do the update grub from the "most up-to-date" linux version. Hope I've got it right this time. Perry -- BOFH excuse #4: static from nylon underwear From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 20:24:44 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:24:44 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 12:04 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 12/10/2010 11:36, Valter Mura wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > with the new release in subject (Maverick 10.10), the system changed the > > handling of the audio, at least for me, from alsa to pulseaudio. > > > > Now my microphone doesn't work (I tried it with Skype, that I use) and in the > > setting interface of the mixer there are no options to set channels and > > devices. > > > > Is there anybody who knows how to get solved this problem, keeping the > > pulseaudio server? Or is it necessary to open a bug? > In a way I see it as a bug, I had the same experience as you. However, > digging the list archives I found that if you install pavucontrol from > Kpackagekit (or whatever you prefer) that gives you the setting options > you need. > > I managed to get my built-in mic selected and working using that. Now I > would like to see a System Settings module for this though... pavucontrol is the MAIN control app for pulse. How it got excluded is beyond me. It's certainly included under Ubuntu, at least for 10.4, When I get my DVD for 10.10 I'll post how it goes. But, without pavucontrol, you're missing the GOOD STUFF!! Maybe you upgraded and it didn't pick up on the fact that you're missing this from 10.4 ?? Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 20:27:35 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:27:35 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <201010121322.24811.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <201010121322.24811.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1286915255.8143.1996.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 13:22 +0200, Valter Mura wrote: > In data martedì 12 ottobre 2010 12:04:56, O. Sinclair ha scritto: > > > On 12/10/2010 11:36, Valter Mura wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > with the new release in subject (Maverick 10.10), the system changed the > > > handling of the audio, at least for me, from alsa to pulseaudio. > > > > > > Now my microphone doesn't work (I tried it with Skype, that I use) and in > > > the setting interface of the mixer there are no options to set channels > > > and devices. > > > > > > Is there anybody who knows how to get solved this problem, keeping the > > > pulseaudio server? Or is it necessary to open a bug? > > > > In a way I see it as a bug, I had the same experience as you. However, > > digging the list archives I found that if you install pavucontrol from > > Kpackagekit (or whatever you prefer) that gives you the setting options > > you need. > > > > I managed to get my built-in mic selected and working using that. Now I > > would like to see a System Settings module for this though... > > Thank you Sinclair, > > do I need to disactivate KMix app? Or can they live together? > > I will submit these considerations to the devel list, by the way. I have both, but I just never use kmix, so I don't dink up what pavucontrol sets. It's perfect as it is. Every problem I ever had setting which device to select for output or input is solved. I park pavucontrol on my task bar and when I select an A/V application, I can select which devices to use for it, and it seems to remember. Slick. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 20:31:17 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:31:17 -0400 Subject: audio workstation software needed In-Reply-To: <4CB4B931.9010200@gmail.com> References: <201010120028.01271.valtermura@gmail.com> <201010121119.31497.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4B931.9010200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1286915477.8143.1998.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 13:38 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > uriah heep said the following at 10/12/2010 12:39 PM : > > > Linux. The program I found before was Ardour which I can install on my > > laptop to give him an idea of what open source has and then direct him to > > Right... ardour is pretty much likely to be the backbone of any serious > Linux audio workstation (and following that analagy, jack will be the > nerves). On a sufficiently fast system working with a small number of > tracks it works well even without a real-time kernel; but if one is trying > to do real multi-channel professional-quality audio, then the planet/studio > distributions are much preferred, since they install RT kernels. I could never get my head wrapped around jack. But, I wasn't really invested seriously into high-end audio. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 20:30:05 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:30:05 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> On 12/10/2010 22:24, Ric Moore wrote: > On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 12:04 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 12/10/2010 11:36, Valter Mura wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> with the new release in subject (Maverick 10.10), the system changed the >>> handling of the audio, at least for me, from alsa to pulseaudio. >>> >>> Now my microphone doesn't work (I tried it with Skype, that I use) and in the >>> setting interface of the mixer there are no options to set channels and >>> devices. >>> >>> Is there anybody who knows how to get solved this problem, keeping the >>> pulseaudio server? Or is it necessary to open a bug? >> In a way I see it as a bug, I had the same experience as you. However, >> digging the list archives I found that if you install pavucontrol from >> Kpackagekit (or whatever you prefer) that gives you the setting options >> you need. >> >> I managed to get my built-in mic selected and working using that. Now I >> would like to see a System Settings module for this though... > > pavucontrol is the MAIN control app for pulse. How it got excluded is > beyond me. It's certainly included under Ubuntu, at least for 10.4, When > I get my DVD for 10.10 I'll post how it goes. But, without pavucontrol, > you're missing the GOOD STUFF!! Maybe you upgraded and it didn't pick up > on the fact that you're missing this from 10.4 ?? Ric > I am sure you are right - the problem is that the Kubuntu install does not include it (Ubuntu Gnome and Kubuntu KDE are not the same) and there are no settings in System Settings (at least not with my Intel HDA card) for Pulseaudio. So unless you do what I do - research around (in this case I vaguely remembered having seen something on this list) you may be very lost Sinclair From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 20:35:17 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:35:17 -0400 Subject: Grub too long and 3 Linux In-Reply-To: <201010122141.27175.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <201010081933.13889.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <201010111849.09957.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <4CB348FF.7090706@gmx.com> <201010122141.27175.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <1286915717.8143.2001.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 21:41 +0200, Perry wrote: > It follows, if I understood correctly, that the mbr is really a "lowest common > denominator", and any release or OS should be able to write it... but there is > a catch: M$ pays no attention to other OS and Linux only copes "as well as it > can", so if an old distro can not (for example) read the formatting of a more > recent partition it will fail to recognize it as a booting partition and > include it in the menu. This is why one should do the update grub from the > "most up-to-date" linux version. > > Hope I've got it right this time. Perry Another reason I do clean installs. Whatever is old and crufty is ~gone~. The poor overworked and underpaid devels cannot resolve/update every single problem from the past, with a stack of what-if? scripting. They're doing darn good to handle what is in front of them, at the time. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From hakan at koseoglu.org Tue Oct 12 20:37:52 2010 From: hakan at koseoglu.org (Hakan Koseoglu) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:37:52 +0100 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12 October 2010 21:30, O. Sinclair wrote: > I am sure you are right - the problem is that the Kubuntu install does > not include it (Ubuntu Gnome and Kubuntu KDE are not the same) and there > are no settings in System Settings (at least not with my Intel HDA card) > for Pulseaudio. I have it on my upgraded Kubuntu but it's completely broken. 16%, no audio. 17%? LOTS of it. 2nd audio card? Detected. Direct audio on both? Nothing comes out of the USB card but the audio coming out of the laptop speakers are halved. Pre 10.10, I could control the 2.1 speakers built in on the laptop perfectly one, now that capacity is gone. Amarok 1.4 can't play a single file w/o stutters. I haven't attempted anything more serious, I am thinking of my Ubuntu Studio machine reinstalled with 10.04 at the moment. My verdict: Right now, audio is totally broken. -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org From alexander.hunold at tu-ilmenau.de Tue Oct 12 20:50:33 2010 From: alexander.hunold at tu-ilmenau.de (Alexander Hunold) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:50:33 -0600 Subject: Power Management Message-ID: <002d01cb6a4f$1e8d52d0$5ba7f870$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> Dear All: I installed Kubuntu 10.04.1 last week on my Desktop. I am working on this machine for a research study and doing MRI scans segmentation. These processing steps take a long time, somehow 48h per subject but I cannot see a chance how to run the system so long without going to sleep and how to wake it up again. Now I tried to let the processes run. My problem is that I cannot find a way how to block the suspend mode. In the Power Management in System Settings I chose the Profile Performance and I set the wait time before suspend actions to 360min. Is there a way to disable suspend actions in general? Thank you so much in advance. Best regards, Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 21:26:21 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:26:21 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1286918781.8143.2032.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 21:37 +0100, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > On 12 October 2010 21:30, O. Sinclair wrote: > > I am sure you are right - the problem is that the Kubuntu install does > > not include it (Ubuntu Gnome and Kubuntu KDE are not the same) and there > > are no settings in System Settings (at least not with my Intel HDA card) > > for Pulseaudio. > I have it on my upgraded Kubuntu but it's completely broken. 16%, no > audio. 17%? LOTS of it. > 2nd audio card? Detected. Direct audio on both? Nothing comes out of > the USB card but the audio coming out of the laptop speakers are > halved. Using pavcontrol / output devices / change that setting. Analog Output / Amplifier is for powered speakers. Analog Output No Amplifier is for non-powered speakers. Like earbuds... no amp. Then you have two LDE settings, amplified and non-amplified Put the one that you actually have... I suspect you have it set wrong. > Pre 10.10, I could control the 2.1 speakers built in on the laptop > perfectly one, now that capacity is gone. Once you are setup correctly, it should work amazingly well. Or, Kubuntu has it wrong. I install Ubuntu, then install KDE after. That solved my issues. Pulse is drop dead great, when it's working. And, I used to loathe it and ranted against it a LOT! :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 21:27:16 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:27:16 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> In data martedì 12 ottobre 2010 22:37:52, Hakan Koseoglu ha scritto: > On 12 October 2010 21:30, O. Sinclair wrote: > > I am sure you are right - the problem is that the Kubuntu install does > > not include it (Ubuntu Gnome and Kubuntu KDE are not the same) and there > > are no settings in System Settings (at least not with my Intel HDA card) > > for Pulseaudio. > > I have it on my upgraded Kubuntu but it's completely broken. 16%, no > audio. 17%? LOTS of it. > 2nd audio card? Detected. Direct audio on both? Nothing comes out of > the USB card but the audio coming out of the laptop speakers are > halved. > > Pre 10.10, I could control the 2.1 speakers built in on the laptop > perfectly one, now that capacity is gone. > > Amarok 1.4 can't play a single file w/o stutters. I haven't attempted > anything more serious, I am thinking of my Ubuntu Studio machine > reinstalled with 10.04 at the moment. > > My verdict: Right now, audio is totally broken. Thank you All, I understand I have to wait for a next release, I'll use pavucontrol and will open a bug for the KMix issue in Kde Bug Tracker. Does anybody know if this is a Kubuntu-related issue or a global one? I'm wondering if other distros have the same problem. Cheers, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From regcity at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 21:28:38 2010 From: regcity at gmail.com (Andrew Otte) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:28:38 +1000 Subject: Help with Bluetooth Message-ID: <4CB4D306.8030104@gmail.com> Asked this question incorrectly yesterday - sorry. Here goes again. Fresh install of Maverick and my bluetooth mouse will not pair. The new bluedevil finds the mouse and attempts to connect but stops at the pin validation stage. I do not know where to look to find a solution and the cli tools are different than what I know. eg. hidd --search used to work now hidd no longer exists. Can someone help btw. It is a standard MS bluetooth mouse -- ----------------------- Andrew Otte Laidley, Australia regcity at gmail.com otte at optusnet.com.au Phone: (07) 5465 2172 Mobile: 04 2380 4620 ----------------------- From kassube at gmx.net Tue Oct 12 21:26:04 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:26:04 +0200 Subject: Power Management In-Reply-To: <002d01cb6a4f$1e8d52d0$5ba7f870$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> References: <002d01cb6a4f$1e8d52d0$5ba7f870$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> Message-ID: <201010122326.04868.kassube@gmx.net> Alexander Hunold wrote: > Now I tried to let the processes run. My problem is that I cannot > find a way how to block the suspend mode. In the Power Management in > System Settings I chose the Profile Performance and I set the wait > time before suspend actions to 360min. Is there a way to disable > suspend actions in general? You can select the action what the machine should do after the timeout. Instead of suspend you can select "do nothing" - then the machine should stay alive. Nils From isak.enstrom at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 21:35:25 2010 From: isak.enstrom at gmail.com (Isak =?iso-8859-1?q?Enstr=F6m?=) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:35:25 +0200 Subject: Power Management In-Reply-To: <002d01cb6a4f$1e8d52d0$5ba7f870$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> References: <002d01cb6a4f$1e8d52d0$5ba7f870$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> Message-ID: <201010122335.25622.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> On Tuesday 12 October 2010 22.50.33 Alexander Hunold wrote: > Dear All: > > > > I installed Kubuntu 10.04.1 last week on my Desktop. > > I am working on this machine for a research study and doing MRI scans > segmentation. These processing steps take a long time, somehow 48h per > subject but I cannot see a chance how to run the system so long without > going to sleep and how to wake it up again. > Now I tried to let the processes run. My problem is that I cannot find a > way how to block the suspend mode. In the Power Management in System > Settings I chose the Profile Performance and I set the wait time before > suspend actions to 360min. Is there a way to disable suspend actions in > general? > > > > Thank you so much in advance. > > > > Best regards, > > Alexander You should be able to change the action taken when the system has been idle to "Do Nothing". Go to Power Management > Edit Profiles > Performance. -- // Isak Enström From alexander.hunold at tu-ilmenau.de Tue Oct 12 21:37:37 2010 From: alexander.hunold at tu-ilmenau.de (Alexander Hunold) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:37:37 -0600 Subject: AW: Power Management In-Reply-To: <201010122326.04868.kassube@gmx.net> References: <002d01cb6a4f$1e8d52d0$5ba7f870$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> <201010122326.04868.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <004101cb6a55$b1c14970$1543dc50$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> Nils, Thank you so much for your quick response. Under Edit Profiles > Perfomance > Actions (tab) I disabled the 2 check boxes (disable desktop and dim display) and in the options below I always chose "Do Nothing". So I have the line: "When the system is idle for more than |99min| - Do Nothing". With exact these configurations I always got in trouble so far. Alexander -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] Im Auftrag von Nils Kassube Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Oktober 2010 15:26 An: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Betreff: Re: Power Management Alexander Hunold wrote: > Now I tried to let the processes run. My problem is that I cannot > find a way how to block the suspend mode. In the Power Management in > System Settings I chose the Profile Performance and I set the wait > time before suspend actions to 360min. Is there a way to disable > suspend actions in general? You can select the action what the machine should do after the timeout. Instead of suspend you can select "do nothing" - then the machine should stay alive. Nils -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From hakan at koseoglu.org Tue Oct 12 21:45:13 2010 From: hakan at koseoglu.org (Hakan Koseoglu) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:45:13 +0100 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <1286918781.8143.2032.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <1286918781.8143.2032.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: On 12 October 2010 22:26, Ric Moore wrote: > Using pavcontrol / output devices / change that setting. > Analog Output / Amplifier is for powered speakers. > Analog Output No Amplifier is for non-powered speakers. Like earbuds... > no amp. > Then you have two LDE settings, amplified and non-amplified > > Put the one that you actually have... I suspect you have it set wrong. Nope, I actually have three audio devices, internal device on the laptop, Behringer UCA-202 via USB and an MAudio Quattro (turned off at the moment) (again USB). I haven't tried the desktop with the MAudio Delta yet (I'm not looking to it, it used to be perfectly fine in 10.04 and before. About audio stuttering and dying for various applications? How on earth a "setup" issue can cause that?? With dmesg full of "endpoint lacks sample rate attribute bit, cannot set" messages (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/644708 for others having the same problem). And on and on and on... > Pulse is drop dead great, when it's working. And, I used to loathe it > and ranted against it a LOT! :) Ric It's an abomination. -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org From hakan at koseoglu.org Tue Oct 12 22:04:41 2010 From: hakan at koseoglu.org (Hakan Koseoglu) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:04:41 +0100 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <1286918781.8143.2032.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: On 12 October 2010 22:45, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > About audio stuttering and dying for various applications? How on I've been checking the launchpad about the error "rate limit exceeded" and I'm gobsmacked with the amount of bugs reported against pulseaudio regarding this issue. This is not 1980s, not even 1990s! I should be able to decode a two track reasonably medium compressed mp3 file w/o an issue any more and play through a couple of speakers and a filtered sub woofer... Pulseaudio is a backwards step in all aspects. Whiskey Sierra Tango... -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org From mdhirsch at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 22:11:51 2010 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:11:51 -0600 Subject: 10.10 desktop display problem In-Reply-To: <361541042.149373.1286822908283.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <361541042.149373.1286822908283.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:48 PM, wrote: > I did an in-place upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10.  I have the Desktop settings > set to Folderview, the location set to the Home directory and the filter set > to show all files and folders, but there are no folders files or shortcuts > visible on the Desktop. > Same settings worked fine in 10.10.  Anyone know what's wrong? I don't know what's wrong. It behaves like that for me on 10.04 but with the backported more recent KDE. The work-around is to change back to desktop-view, apply, then change back to folder view. Michael From gcsgcatling at bigpond.com Tue Oct 12 22:12:32 2010 From: gcsgcatling at bigpond.com (GeraldCC) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:12:32 +1000 Subject: Ubuntu server 10.10 Message-ID: <201010130812.33854.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> Hi to all, I have been trying to install Ubuntu 10.10 Server (64bit) and find it less than useless. I prepared the 2 disks as follows:- /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 300MB as boot and bboot ext2 /dev/sda2 and /devsdb2 20GB as / raid1 ext4 --md0 /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb3 20GB as /home raid1 ext4 --md1 /dev/sda5 and /dev/sdb5 4GB as swap raid1 swap /dev/sda6 and /dev/sdb6 100Gb as /mnt/data raid1 ext4 --md3 After installation The system does not boot Booting the CD in rescue mode, I then have the following partitions:- /boot 20Gb and everything is in there / 20Gb and nothing in there /home 20GB and nothing in there /mnt/data 20GB and nothing in there the md'x' partitions have nothing in either. Can anyone explain what has happened?? I would really like to get this working. In fact I would like to get it working as well as Centos 5.5 (64bit) does. But unfortunatly Cento 5.5 does not support my printers. I am sure that I am doing something wrong, but what?? Gerald From g.lip at gmx.com Tue Oct 12 23:34:46 2010 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:34:46 +0800 Subject: Grub too long and 3 Linux In-Reply-To: <201010122141.27175.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <201010081933.13889.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <201010111849.09957.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <4CB348FF.7090706@gmx.com> <201010122141.27175.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <4CB4F096.4030109@gmx.com> On Wednesday 13,October,2010 03:41 AM, Perry wrote: > This seems logical. (on Hardy I don't even seem to have a grub.cfg) Yes, you're right! Hardy comes with grub-legacy. Just treat my example as though both uses grub2. Regards (Grüße - Heh Heh) - Goh Lip ps: I've changed my Hardy to grub2, so I forgot it came with grub-legacy. Sorry. From mdhirsch at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 23:40:32 2010 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:40:32 -0600 Subject: Problems with mic in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <007b01cb6550$0340d280$4101a8c0@R161> References: <007b01cb6550$0340d280$4101a8c0@R161> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Helder Terra wrote: > Yesterday I've installed a new webcam in my Kubuntu Lucid, and I was happy > to see that it worked perfectly. Since it has an agregated mic, I've pluged > it and verified that sound was coming through the speakers. But then I tried > to use it in Skype, and realized that my contact couldn't hear what I was > saying. Are you using pulse audio (standard on 10.10)? If so, then I recomment installing pavucontrol and running it. Check that you have the correct "Input device" set. Michael From gcsgcatling at bigpond.com Wed Oct 13 00:17:44 2010 From: gcsgcatling at bigpond.com (GeraldCC) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:17:44 +1000 Subject: Kubuntu 10.10 +raid Message-ID: <201010131017.44832.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> Hi to all, I have just tried to get Kubuntu installed with raid. I booted the install disk, ran the try Kubuntu, installed the raid components then ran the install program. Although raid was installed there was no raid setup id the drive/partitions setup. Since I have lost a lot of data in the last year with new drive failing after a few months, I have decided to go to raid1. What am I doing wrong , not getting raid to work with Kubuntu?? Many thanks, Gerald From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 00:54:20 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:54:20 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <1286918781.8143.2032.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <1286931260.8143.2074.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:04 +0100, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > On 12 October 2010 22:45, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > > About audio stuttering and dying for various applications? How on > I've been checking the launchpad about the error "rate limit exceeded" > and I'm gobsmacked with the amount of bugs reported against pulseaudio > regarding this issue. > > This is not 1980s, not even 1990s! I should be able to decode a > two track reasonably medium compressed mp3 file w/o an issue any more > and play through a couple of speakers and a filtered sub woofer... > Pulseaudio is a backwards step in all aspects. Whiskey Sierra Tango... > I play them all day, plus watch DVD's, huge space games, MOD files, IT files, and run any audio app without one blip. Just maybe it's not pulseaudio... just maybe it's the codecs installed or lack thereof? If you have spare room on your harddrive, plug Ubuntu into it. See what happens. She'll blow or go. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 00:49:32 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:49:32 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:27 +0200, Valter Mura wrote: > In data martedì 12 ottobre 2010 22:37:52, Hakan Koseoglu ha scritto: > > > On 12 October 2010 21:30, O. Sinclair wrote: > > > I am sure you are right - the problem is that the Kubuntu install does > > > not include it (Ubuntu Gnome and Kubuntu KDE are not the same) and there > > > are no settings in System Settings (at least not with my Intel HDA card) > > > for Pulseaudio. > > > > I have it on my upgraded Kubuntu but it's completely broken. 16%, no > > audio. 17%? LOTS of it. > > 2nd audio card? Detected. Direct audio on both? Nothing comes out of > > the USB card but the audio coming out of the laptop speakers are > > halved. > > > > Pre 10.10, I could control the 2.1 speakers built in on the laptop > > perfectly one, now that capacity is gone. > > > > Amarok 1.4 can't play a single file w/o stutters. I haven't attempted > > anything more serious, I am thinking of my Ubuntu Studio machine > > reinstalled with 10.04 at the moment. > > > > My verdict: Right now, audio is totally broken. > > Thank you All, > > I understand I have to wait for a next release, I'll use pavucontrol and will > open a bug for the KMix issue in Kde Bug Tracker. > > Does anybody know if this is a Kubuntu-related issue or a global one? I'm > wondering if other distros have the same problem. Not with Ubuntu. Rarely do I read of an unsupported sound device, on that list, being unsupported or broken. I have 5.1 sound, pro-audio USB headset (plus mike) and a web-cam (mike), all properly detected and switchable-to on the fly with zero problems. I mean, it is So KeWl! That's why I install Ubuntu first. Kubuntu had it borked and apparently still does. I love KDE as my desktop. But, it's like "love the sinner, but hate the sin". Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 01:35:49 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:35:49 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <1286918781.8143.2032.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <1286933749.1721.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:04 +0100, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > On 12 October 2010 22:45, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > > About audio stuttering and dying for various applications? How on > I've been checking the launchpad about the error "rate limit exceeded" > and I'm gobsmacked with the amount of bugs reported against pulseaudio > regarding this issue. > > This is not 1980s, not even 1990s! I should be able to decode a > two track reasonably medium compressed mp3 file w/o an issue any more > and play through a couple of speakers and a filtered sub woofer... > Pulseaudio is a backwards step in all aspects. Whiskey Sierra Tango... > Ahha!!! This may do the trick for you. I was dinking with my perfect pulse setup in pavucontrol and it quit! Kicking myself, for sure. Couldn't figure out what went wrong and in a panic after bragging about it. I had reset my audio preference to it's original value and that is when it went ape, doing as you said it did, almost zero volume etc. So, I erased ~/.pulse, rebooted and not it's running on the default settings, as it found the stuff plugged in, set itself as it saw fit and now works like a charm. You might try that. I hope that works for you. But, it is certainly a bug. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 02:08:30 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:08:30 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <1286918781.8143.2032.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <1286935710.2322.7.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:04 +0100, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > On 12 October 2010 22:45, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > > About audio stuttering and dying for various applications? How on > I've been checking the launchpad about the error "rate limit exceeded" > and I'm gobsmacked with the amount of bugs reported against pulseaudio > regarding this issue. > > This is not 1980s, not even 1990s! I should be able to decode a > two track reasonably medium compressed mp3 file w/o an issue any more > and play through a couple of speakers and a filtered sub woofer... > Pulseaudio is a backwards step in all aspects. Whiskey Sierra Tango... > Also, as I think I just found it, stinking xine on my machine will reset the volume control to zero. I just found my headset speakers zero'd out. I opened alsamixer, hit F6 to select my headset and found that set to ought. (0) I would not recommend you use xine in any application other than by itself. I had FF set to use vlc but I just found it set to xine. I just changed it. I'll look in synaptic and see what got "updated". Ok, just removed xine mozilla plugin and installed mozilla plugin vlc That should FIX THAT! darnnit. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:41:03 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:41:03 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> On 13/10/2010 02:49, Ric Moore wrote: > On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:27 +0200, Valter Mura wrote: >> In data martedì 12 ottobre 2010 22:37:52, Hakan Koseoglu ha scritto: >> >>> On 12 October 2010 21:30, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> I am sure you are right - the problem is that the Kubuntu install does >>>> not include it (Ubuntu Gnome and Kubuntu KDE are not the same) and there >>>> are no settings in System Settings (at least not with my Intel HDA card) >>>> for Pulseaudio. >>> >>> I have it on my upgraded Kubuntu but it's completely broken. 16%, no >>> audio. 17%? LOTS of it. >>> 2nd audio card? Detected. Direct audio on both? Nothing comes out of >>> the USB card but the audio coming out of the laptop speakers are >>> halved. >>> >>> Pre 10.10, I could control the 2.1 speakers built in on the laptop >>> perfectly one, now that capacity is gone. >>> >>> Amarok 1.4 can't play a single file w/o stutters. I haven't attempted >>> anything more serious, I am thinking of my Ubuntu Studio machine >>> reinstalled with 10.04 at the moment. >>> >>> My verdict: Right now, audio is totally broken. >> >> Thank you All, >> >> I understand I have to wait for a next release, I'll use pavucontrol and will >> open a bug for the KMix issue in Kde Bug Tracker. >> >> Does anybody know if this is a Kubuntu-related issue or a global one? I'm >> wondering if other distros have the same problem. > > Not with Ubuntu. Rarely do I read of an unsupported sound device, on > that list, being unsupported or broken. I have 5.1 sound, pro-audio USB > headset (plus mike) and a web-cam (mike), all properly detected and > switchable-to on the fly with zero problems. I mean, it is So KeWl! > That's why I install Ubuntu first. Kubuntu had it borked and apparently > still does. I love KDE as my desktop. But, it's like "love the sinner, > but hate the sin". Ric > > Ric, good that you have tinkered around with this for some time. However, for most of us it is a first as PulseAudio was not even installed on Kubuntu pre 10.10. And most of us now find that apps like pavucontrol and whatever they are called are: NOT installed by default NO KDE app resembling them installed by default or as far as I/we understand even existing yet. If you google for KDE Pulseaudio I get a hint that OpenSuse have something and someone has created a widget, yet to find out details about that. IN short: for most of us ALSA worked fine, PulseAudio needs tinkering "outside KDE or Kubuntu apps" to work. Sinclair From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 05:23:05 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 01:23:05 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1286947385.2322.51.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 06:41 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 13/10/2010 02:49, Ric Moore wrote: > > Not with Ubuntu. Rarely do I read of an unsupported sound device, on > > that list, being unsupported or broken. I have 5.1 sound, pro-audio USB > > headset (plus mike) and a web-cam (mike), all properly detected and > > switchable-to on the fly with zero problems. I mean, it is So KeWl! > > That's why I install Ubuntu first. Kubuntu had it borked and apparently > > still does. I love KDE as my desktop. But, it's like "love the sinner, > > but hate the sin". Ric > > > > > Ric, good that you have tinkered around with this for some time. > However, for most of us it is a first as PulseAudio was not even > installed on Kubuntu pre 10.10. Huh, I thought that was the deal, that pulse would be supported natively in 10.10. > And most of us now find that apps like pavucontrol and whatever they are > called are: > NOT installed by default > NO KDE app resembling them installed by default or as far as I/we > understand even existing yet. > > If you google for KDE Pulseaudio I get a hint that OpenSuse have > something and someone has created a widget, yet to find out details > about that. > > IN short: for most of us ALSA worked fine, PulseAudio needs tinkering > "outside KDE or Kubuntu apps" to work. Oh, I liked just using alsa with that little alsa control app that selected inputs and outputs. But, that got killed off when someone pulled out some alsa util from the package. That was around karmic. So, I couldn't just switch from my external speakers to my headphones, to not bug the rest of the family when they went to bed. THAT jerked me off no end, as what worked become crippled. Before I didn't need no stinkin' pulse. I'm no coder, so I was stuck like chuck with a 3rd class audio setup. I got so jerked off that I installed Ubuntu to see if that darn thing (pulse) would work at all. (Jaunty) And, it did! Better yet, I could switch sources on the fly! Woo! Woo! I held my breath and installed KDE along with gnome. It still worked! Ergo, something in kubuntu land is seriously broken. Especially if a ham handed tree swinging ape like me has it going. Sorry. Xine appears to be the culprit turning audio levels to zero. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 13 05:55:16 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:55:16 +0200 Subject: Power Management In-Reply-To: <004101cb6a55$b1c14970$1543dc50$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> References: <002d01cb6a4f$1e8d52d0$5ba7f870$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> <201010122326.04868.kassube@gmx.net> <004101cb6a55$b1c14970$1543dc50$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> Message-ID: <201010130755.16240.kassube@gmx.net> Alexander Hunold wrote: > Under Edit Profiles > Perfomance > Actions (tab) I disabled the 2 > check boxes (disable desktop and dim display) and in the options > below I always chose "Do Nothing". > So I have the line: "When the system is idle for more than |99min| - > Do Nothing". > > With exact these configurations I always got in trouble so far. Well, after some searching I found that there is another option I have changed on my machine(s): On the "CPU and system" tab uncheck "Enable system power saving". Sorry, I didn't remember that detail yesterday evening. Nils From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 13 06:03:37 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:03:37 +1100 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CB54BB9.8030309@iinet.net.au> On 13/10/2010 15:41, O. Sinclair wrote: [pruned] > Ric, good that you have tinkered around with this for some time. > However, for most of us it is a first as PulseAudio was not even > installed on Kubuntu pre 10.10. > > And most of us now find that apps like pavucontrol and whatever they are > called are: > NOT installed by default > NO KDE app resembling them installed by default or as far as I/we > understand even existing yet. > > If you google for KDE Pulseaudio I get a hint that OpenSuse have > something and someone has created a widget, yet to find out details > about that. > > IN short: for most of us ALSA worked fine, PulseAudio needs tinkering > "outside KDE or Kubuntu apps" to work. > Hear, hear! The first thing I do is to get rid of pulseaudio to get my sound working, and install alsamixergui - then make sure that all the right channels are active. But then, as with Ric, I know what to do, but take a newbie installing Ubuntu/Kubuntu for the first time - and what do you have? This abomination called pulse audio and getting video working properly seem to be the 2 most complained about subjects. "Why is this so?!", as Professor Sumner Miller used to ask on one of our TV science shows (here in OZ) years ago? BC -- There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull by the tail and face the situation. W C Fields From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 06:39:39 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 02:39:39 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <4CB54BB9.8030309@iinet.net.au> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> <4CB54BB9.8030309@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <1286951979.2322.119.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:03 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 13/10/2010 15:41, O. Sinclair wrote: > > [pruned] > > > Ric, good that you have tinkered around with this for some time. > > However, for most of us it is a first as PulseAudio was not even > > installed on Kubuntu pre 10.10. > > > > And most of us now find that apps like pavucontrol and whatever they are > > called are: > > NOT installed by default > > NO KDE app resembling them installed by default or as far as I/we > > understand even existing yet. > > > > If you google for KDE Pulseaudio I get a hint that OpenSuse have > > something and someone has created a widget, yet to find out details > > about that. > > > > IN short: for most of us ALSA worked fine, PulseAudio needs tinkering > > "outside KDE or Kubuntu apps" to work. > > > > Hear, hear! > > The first thing I do is to get rid of pulseaudio to get my sound > working, and install alsamixergui - then make sure that all the right > channels are active. > > But then, as with Ric, I know what to do, but take a newbie installing > Ubuntu/Kubuntu for the first time - and what do you have? Joe Lunchbucket crying into his suds, weeping uncontrollably on a bar stool. > This abomination called pulse audio and getting video working properly > seem to be the 2 most complained about subjects. I haven't seen one complaint for a long time on the Ubuntu list. Just here. > "Why is this so?!", as Professor Sumner Miller used to ask on one of our > TV science shows (here in OZ) years ago? Heh, then install Ubuntu first and then tell me I'm wrong, upside down person. I still have great hopes for kubuntu and I still prefer KDE on my desktop. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 13 06:36:09 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:36:09 +1100 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <1286935710.2322.7.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <1286915084.8143.1993.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <1286918781.8143.2032.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <1286935710.2322.7.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4CB55359.3030607@iinet.net.au> On 13/10/2010 13:08, Ric Moore wrote: > On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 23:04 +0100, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > >> On 12 October 2010 22:45, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: >> >>> About audio stuttering and dying for various applications? How on >>> >> I've been checking the launchpad about the error "rate limit exceeded" >> and I'm gobsmacked with the amount of bugs reported against pulseaudio >> regarding this issue. >> >> This is not 1980s, not even 1990s! I should be able to decode a >> two track reasonably medium compressed mp3 file w/o an issue any more >> and play through a couple of speakers and a filtered sub woofer... >> Pulseaudio is a backwards step in all aspects. Whiskey Sierra Tango... >> >> > Also, as I think I just found it, stinking xine on my machine will reset > the volume control to zero. I just found my headset speakers zero'd out. > Ho-hum ... I use xine everyday - doing it right now as a matter of fact watching TV - and it doesn't reset the sound to zero..... Ho-hum ... Next excuse please..... BC -- There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull by the tail and face the situation. W C Fields From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 13 07:01:09 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:01:09 +1100 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <1286951979.2322.119.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> <4CB54BB9.8030309@iinet.net.au> <1286951979.2322.119.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4CB55935.2040900@iinet.net.au> On 13/10/2010 17:39, Ric Moore wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:03 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: > >> Hear, hear! >> The first thing I do is to get rid of pulseaudio to get my sound >> working, and install alsamixergui - then make sure that all the right >> channels are active. >> >> But then, as with Ric, I know what to do, but take a newbie installing >> Ubuntu/Kubuntu for the first time - and what do you have? >> > Joe Lunchbucket crying into his suds, weeping uncontrollably on a bar > stool. > > >> This abomination called pulse audio and getting video working properly >> seem to be the 2 most complained about subjects. >> > I haven't seen one complaint for a long time on the Ubuntu list. Just > here. > HA! HA! And so who is using the wrong desktop environment then, eh? 8-) So what does this tell you, eh? >> "Why is this so?!", as Professor Sumner Miller used to ask on one of our >> TV science shows (here in OZ) years ago? >> > Heh, then install Ubuntu first and then tell me I'm wrong, upside down > person. I still have great hopes for kubuntu Keep hoping....keep hoping...Hope of a better future has been keeping the world going 'round for millennia..... > and I still prefer KDE on > my desktop. Ric > No accounting for taste.... :-( . Some people even still believe in the concept of a Flat Earth, or even the Tooth Fairy, or Harvey The Invisible Rabbit , or even Santa Claus..... "Horses for courses", as I always say.... "If it hurts, why keep doing it?", as me pappy used to say :-) . BC -- There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull by the tail and face the situation. W C Fields From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 10:58:35 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:58:35 +0200 Subject: 10.10 desktop panel problem Message-ID: <4CB590DB.5000206@gmail.com> Have an irritating problem with the plasma panel after installing 10.10 I frequently use an external monitor and when I connect to that (being larger than the laptop LCD) the panel does not automatically resize but keeps a fixed size at the bottom of the screen. Have to unlock widgets and resize panel every time. Anyone knows if there is an "rc" file somewhere or if I missed a "automatically maximize panel" setting somewhere? Kindly Sinclair From valtermura at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 11:26:50 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:26:50 +0200 Subject: Fwd: [Bug 254016] KMix with Pulseaudio doesn't show channels in config channel dialog after upgrading to Kubuntu 10.10 Message-ID: <201010131326.51466.valtermura@gmail.com> Hi All, and thanks to all, again, I've solved for the moment, even if I think this is not the way the system should work. But I want to _underline_ that I assume the position of a normal, average user (eg., my mom or the grandpa) who cannot fight against these simple (for geeks) but thorny issues. I forward the answer I received from Colin as reply of my bug report (I consider it a bug). In many ways, the workaround is the same other users gave to me, with some explanation and link more. JFYI... cheers! :-) --------- Messaggio inoltrato --------- Oggetto: [Bug 254016] KMix with Pulseaudio doesn't show channels in config channel dialog after upgrading to Kubuntu 10.10 Data: mercoledì 13 ottobre 2010, 00:41:52 Da: Colin Guthrie A: valtermura at gmail.com https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254016 --- Comment #2 from Colin Guthrie 2010-10-13 00:41:51 --- Hi there, Everything will work for you but you need to make a couple configuration changes to get things working really nice :) Have a look over this page: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE In order to get a 5.1 configuration, you need to change the Hardware Profile. Sadly Kubuntu ships without the utility I wrote to do this in KDE (due to time constraints). You can see this UI here on my blog: http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/07/speaker-setup-now-or-forever-hold-your-peace/ but this isn't much use to you right now! This means you need to install another utility. So use the installer system (I don't use Kubuntu so I don't know the exact instructions here) and install "pavucontrol". With this utility you can go to the "Configuration" tab and select an appropriate "Hardware Profile" for you sound card. I'd imagine you want to pick a 5.1 configuration. You only have to do this once. It will be remembered. You can then use KMix to adjust each individual channel by right clicking on the device and selecting the "Show Channels" option from the context menu. This will give you full control over each channel. PulseAudio tries to simplify the whole audio process. Most people don't really understand all the separate ALSA controls that used to be displayed in KMix. And even for those that did, controls that are not relevant to the current use (e.g. the rear channels when playing stereo to front speakers only) were permanently displayed which is not ideal. Sadly it wasn't that easy to squeeze PulseAudio support into the KMix constructs. For example the Show Channels dialog that you show in your screen shot it really misnamed when using PA. It would be better labelled "Configure Devices and Controls" which would be more representative of its function (even calling it channels in ALSA is an oversimplification IMO). Sadly I could not label the individual channels in KMix (front left, front right etc.), but you can use pavucontrol to see labels if you need them (it's perfectly safe to run them both at the same time and a change one application should be immediately reflected in the other. Hope this helps. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugs.kde.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You reported the bug. ------------------------------------------ -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 13:07:06 2010 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: 10.10 desktop panel problem In-Reply-To: <1032221163.255958.1286975187591.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1600536469.256024.1286975226241.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I've had a similar problem since kdesc 4.3 and kubuntu 9.04 and I've always assumed it's related to defining an external monitor as the first screen and the internal as the second. Seems kind of an odd way to think about things, but if you find a solution I'd love to hear it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "O. Sinclair" To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:58:35 AM Subject: 10.10 desktop panel problem Have an irritating problem with the plasma panel after installing 10.10 I frequently use an external monitor and when I connect to that (being larger than the laptop LCD) the panel does not automatically resize but keeps a fixed size at the bottom of the screen. Have to unlock widgets and resize panel every time. Anyone knows if there is an "rc" file somewhere or if I missed a "automatically maximize panel" setting somewhere? Kindly Sinclair -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 13:26:53 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:26:53 +0200 Subject: 10.10 desktop panel problem In-Reply-To: <1600536469.256024.1286975226241.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1600536469.256024.1286975226241.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4CB5B39D.8040902@gmail.com> On 13/10/2010 15:07, pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: > I've had a similar problem since kdesc 4.3 and kubuntu 9.04 and I've > always assumed it's related to defining an external monitor as the first > screen and the internal as the second. Seems kind of an odd way to think > about things, but if you find a solution I'd love to hear it. > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "O. Sinclair" > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:58:35 AM > Subject: 10.10 desktop panel problem > > Have an irritating problem with the plasma panel after installing 10.10 > > I frequently use an external monitor and when I connect to that (being > larger than the laptop LCD) the panel does not automatically resize but > keeps a fixed size at the bottom of the screen. Have to unlock widgets > and resize panel every time. > > Anyone knows if there is an "rc" file somewhere or if I missed a > "automatically maximize panel" setting somewhere? > Nope that is not it - on my laptop LDVS is first, then VGA. In fact it worked fine on 10.04 with the reversed order... From alexander.hunold at tu-ilmenau.de Wed Oct 13 16:21:10 2010 From: alexander.hunold at tu-ilmenau.de (Alexander Hunold) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:21:10 -0600 Subject: NVidia Quadro In-Reply-To: <201010130755.16240.kassube@gmx.net> References: <002d01cb6a4f$1e8d52d0$5ba7f870$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> <201010122326.04868.kassube@gmx.net> <004101cb6a55$b1c14970$1543dc50$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> <201010130755.16240.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <001601cb6af2$a7be0830$f73a1890$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> Dear all: I think I have a problem with my graphic card and it is not the computer or the OS, respectively. I have a PNY nVidia Quadro FX1800 768MB DDR Dual DVI. Are there any known problems with that card? The computer is still running I guess, but the monitors are frozen. Does anyone have a hint for me? Thank you so much. @Nils: Thanks for the hints for the Power Management but I guess it was the wrong approach. Alexander From pwhite at bluewin.ch Wed Oct 13 16:25:59 2010 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:25:59 +0200 Subject: Power Management In-Reply-To: <002d01cb6a4f$1e8d52d0$5ba7f870$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> References: <002d01cb6a4f$1e8d52d0$5ba7f870$@hunold@tu-ilmenau.de> Message-ID: <201010131825.59707.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Tuesday 12 October 2010 22.50:33 Alexander Hunold, vous avez écrit (you wrote) : > how to block the suspend mode. In the Power Management in System Settings I > chose the Profile Performance and I set the wait time before suspend > actions to 360min. Is there a way to disable suspend actions in general? > Just a wild guess, in many counters 0 has a the special meaning of no limit. Warning : if that fails your computer might turn into a "Sleeping Beauty" waiting for centuries until a robotic prince kisses her. ;O))) Cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #247: Due to Federal Budget problems we have been forced to cut back on the number of users able to access the system at one time (namely none allowed....) From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Wed Oct 13 17:40:01 2010 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:40:01 -0700 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010131040.02385.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:04:56 am O. Sinclair wrote: > On 12/10/2010 11:36, Valter Mura wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > with the new release in subject (Maverick 10.10), the system changed the > > handling of the audio, at least for me, from alsa to pulseaudio. > > > > Now my microphone doesn't work (I tried it with Skype, that I use) and in > > the setting interface of the mixer there are no options to set channels > > and devices. > > > > Is there anybody who knows how to get solved this problem, keeping the > > pulseaudio server? Or is it necessary to open a bug? > > In a way I see it as a bug, I had the same experience as you. However, > digging the list archives I found that if you install pavucontrol from > Kpackagekit (or whatever you prefer) that gives you the setting options > you need. Pavucontrol got my sound working on my desktop machine! Thank you very much for this. It was a hit and miss thing before as sometime there was sound and mics other times nothing and so when needed the user had to sign out and back in until it came on. Thanks again, pulseaudio has been a real pain for a long time. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 17:52:19 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:52:19 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <4CB55935.2040900@iinet.net.au> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> <4CB54BB9.8030309@iinet.net.au> <1286951979.2322.119.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB55935.2040900@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <1286992339.2322.123.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 18:01 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: > "If it hurts, why keep doing it?", as me pappy used to say :-) . Olde skool ..."beat me, make me write bad checks." as Elvis once said. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 17:53:30 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:53:30 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <201010131040.02385.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB432C8.70904@gmail.com> <201010131040.02385.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <1286992410.2322.124.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 10:40 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > On Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:04:56 am O. Sinclair wrote: > > On 12/10/2010 11:36, Valter Mura wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > with the new release in subject (Maverick 10.10), the system changed the > > > handling of the audio, at least for me, from alsa to pulseaudio. > > > > > > Now my microphone doesn't work (I tried it with Skype, that I use) and in > > > the setting interface of the mixer there are no options to set channels > > > and devices. > > > > > > Is there anybody who knows how to get solved this problem, keeping the > > > pulseaudio server? Or is it necessary to open a bug? > > > > In a way I see it as a bug, I had the same experience as you. However, > > digging the list archives I found that if you install pavucontrol from > > Kpackagekit (or whatever you prefer) that gives you the setting options > > you need. > > Pavucontrol got my sound working on my desktop machine! Thank you very much > for this. It was a hit and miss thing before as sometime there was sound and > mics other times nothing and so when needed the user had to sign out and back > in until it came on. Thanks again, pulseaudio has been a real pain for a long > time. I rest my case! Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From bqz69 at telia.com Wed Oct 13 20:09:08 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: How to view thumbnail preview in nautilus and dolphin in maverick 10.10 Message-ID: I have two partitions with some video files in a folder on each. When I open the folders I only can see thumbnail previews of the video files in one directory using nautilus, the other folder do not show preview of the video files in nautilus In dolphin I can see no preview thumbnails at all. Ordinary jpeg files seems to show thumbnail preview okay in both nautilus and dolphin. From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 14 00:00:09 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:00:09 +1100 Subject: How to view thumbnail preview in nautilus and dolphin in maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB64809.7040904@iinet.net.au> On 14/10/2010 07:09, user1 wrote: > I have two partitions with some video files in a folder on each. > > When I open the folders I only can see thumbnail previews of the video > files in one directory using nautilus, the other folder do not show > preview of the video files in nautilus > > In dolphin I can see no preview thumbnails at all. > > Ordinary jpeg files seems to show thumbnail preview okay in both nautilus > and dolphin. > What's the max. size of a file you have set before the thumbnail preview is no longer created? (nautilus>Edit>Preferences>Preview) BC -- There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull by the tail and face the situation. W C Fields From bqz69 at telia.com Thu Oct 14 07:39:34 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: How to view thumbnail preview in nautilus and dolphin in maverick 10.10 References: <4CB64809.7040904@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: > What's the max. size of a file you have set before the thumbnail preview > is no longer created? (nautilus>Edit>Preferences>Preview) Show Thumbnails: Always Only for files smaller than: 1 GB From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 14 07:59:52 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:59:52 +1100 Subject: How to view thumbnail preview in nautilus and dolphin in maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <4CB64809.7040904@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4CB6B878.3060303@iinet.net.au> On 14/10/2010 18:39, user1 wrote: >> What's the max. size of a file you have set before the thumbnail preview >> is no longer created? (nautilus>Edit>Preferences>Preview) >> > Show Thumbnails: Always > > Only for files smaller than: 1 GB > Looking reasonable. And how big *are* the files for which you don't see the thumbnails? BC -- There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull by the tail and face the situation. W C Fields From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Thu Oct 14 08:03:39 2010 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:03:39 +0100 Subject: How to view thumbnail preview in nautilus and dolphin in maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010140903.39905.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Wednesday 13 Oct 2010 21:09:08 user1 wrote: > I have two partitions with some video files in a folder on each. > > When I open the folders I only can see thumbnail previews of the video > files in one directory using nautilus, the other folder do not show > preview of the video files in nautilus > > In dolphin I can see no preview thumbnails at all. > > Ordinary jpeg files seems to show thumbnail preview okay in both nautilus > and dolphin. To get thumbnails of video files in KDE apps I think you need to install mplayerthumbs and enable them in Dolphin's settings. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From helder.earth at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 17:41:04 2010 From: helder.earth at gmail.com (Helder Terra) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:41:04 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu freezes when closing a session Message-ID: <002a01cb6bc6$fcc8b620$4101a8c0@R161> I've made a fresh install of Kubuntu Maverick, and it's working good so far. But I've noticed that, when closing a session (in order to return to login screen and log as a different user) it doesn't do the job. Instead, it frezes on a black screen with some text on top of it. The text's last lines often indicates about energy saving or pulse audio closing, or others, but in order to make a new login, I've to restart Kubuntu again. That happened when I had Kubuntu Lucid also, both at my home and work computers, but its really annoying and after some time is simply stopped. But now, it happens every time. Any ideas why? Thanks, Helder Terra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hakan at koseoglu.org Thu Oct 14 17:58:22 2010 From: hakan at koseoglu.org (Hakan Koseoglu) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:58:22 +0100 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <1286951979.2322.119.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> <4CB54BB9.8030309@iinet.net.au> <1286951979.2322.119.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: On 13 October 2010 07:39, Ric Moore wrote: > Joe Lunchbucket crying into his suds, weeping uncontrollably on a bar > stool. If I was a newbie I could understand this mess... Alas... They really screwed this one up... I've powered up my Kubuntu 10.10 with Ubuntustudio metapackages loaded, upgraded from a working set of kubuntu 10.04 + ubuntustudio packages where my MAudio card would be recognised perfectly nicely... Pulseaudio? Dummy. sudo su - , then check alsamixer? The MAudio card is there for all its glory. Pulseaudio can't even detect the card, pavucontrol's the configuration window is empty... What a mess.. At least they could have attempted NOT TO BREAK IT!. > I haven't seen one complaint for a long time on the Ubuntu list. Just > here. Probably everyone else has figured out how to remove this piece of crap and get on with it... I just had to cancel a recording evening because of this PoS and I'm really not happy. I'm going to reinstall this machine with Kubuntu 10.04 + UbuntuStudio audio + video metapackages and bring it back to a working state. -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org From bqz69 at telia.com Thu Oct 14 18:04:51 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: How to view thumbnail preview in nautilus and dolphin in maverick 10.10 References: <4CB64809.7040904@iinet.net.au> <4CB6B878.3060303@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: >> Only for files smaller than: 1 GB >> >> > Looking reasonable. And how big *are* the files for which you don't see > the thumbnails? 2 - 700 mb From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 18:32:09 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:32:09 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> <4CB54BB9.8030309@iinet.net.au> <1286951979.2322.119.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4CB74CA9.4050808@gmail.com> On 14/10/2010 19:58, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > On 13 October 2010 07:39, Ric Moore wrote: >> Joe Lunchbucket crying into his suds, weeping uncontrollably on a bar >> stool. > If I was a newbie I could understand this mess... Alas... > > They really screwed this one up... > > I've powered up my Kubuntu 10.10 with Ubuntustudio metapackages > loaded, upgraded from a working set of kubuntu 10.04 + ubuntustudio > packages where my MAudio card would be recognised perfectly nicely... > > Pulseaudio? Dummy. sudo su - , then check alsamixer? The MAudio card > is there for all its glory. Pulseaudio can't even detect the card, > pavucontrol's the configuration window is empty... > > What a mess.. At least they could have attempted NOT TO BREAK IT!. > >> I haven't seen one complaint for a long time on the Ubuntu list. Just >> here. > Probably everyone else has figured out how to remove this piece of > crap and get on with it... > > I just had to cancel a recording evening because of this PoS and I'm > really not happy. I'm going to reinstall this machine with Kubuntu > 10.04 + UbuntuStudio audio + video metapackages and bring it back to a > working state. > why not just uninstall Pulseaudio? Then ALSA should "kick in" and take over? Have toyed with the idea myself but do not have the need although I see no advantage of PA over ALSA at all myself From hakan at koseoglu.org Thu Oct 14 19:07:24 2010 From: hakan at koseoglu.org (Hakan Koseoglu) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:07:24 +0100 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: <4CB74CA9.4050808@gmail.com> References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> <4CB54BB9.8030309@iinet.net.au> <1286951979.2322.119.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB74CA9.4050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 14 October 2010 19:32, O. Sinclair wrote: > why not just uninstall Pulseaudio? Then ALSA should "kick in" and take > over? Have toyed with the idea myself but do not have the need although > I see no advantage of PA over ALSA at all myself Mainly because I was reasonably happy with the 10.04's audio setup. I don't want to ruin an other evening's recording with some more buggy software. I should have upgraded only one of my audio workstations and test the software. That's a lesson learned. I'm going to keep my laptop on 10.10 and attempt to fix the audio recording on that and move the desktop DAW back to its working state. All because I wanted more upto date versions of Ardour etc... Anyway... -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 20:52:12 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:52:12 -0400 Subject: Identifying process using network? In-Reply-To: <4C9B842C.1090701@gmail.com> References: <4C9B7A22.1010802@gmail.com> <4C9B829E.6060602@maxim-ic.com> <4C9B842C.1090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1287089532.25573.3.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 10:45 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > Wes Hardin said the following at 09/23/2010 10:38 AM : > > >> How can I determine which process is using the network interface to send so > >> much traffic? > > > > I think I would recommend a combination of iftop and netstat. Iftop can give > > you the amount of traffic (T to toggle cumulative) and its source and > > destination. Armed with that, you can use netstat with the -p option to put > > that with a PID. > > Excellent. Thank you. Just out of curiosity, did you find the offending application?? Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 21:26:17 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:26:17 -0600 Subject: Identifying process using network? In-Reply-To: <1287089532.25573.3.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4C9B7A22.1010802@gmail.com> <4C9B829E.6060602@maxim-ic.com> <4C9B842C.1090701@gmail.com> <1287089532.25573.3.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4CB77579.6090908@gmail.com> Ric Moore said the following at 10/14/2010 02:52 PM : > On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 10:45 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: >> Wes Hardin said the following at 09/23/2010 10:38 AM : >> >>>> How can I determine which process is using the network interface to send so >>>> much traffic? >>> >>> I think I would recommend a combination of iftop and netstat. Iftop can give >>> you the amount of traffic (T to toggle cumulative) and its source and >>> destination. Armed with that, you can use netstat with the -p option to put >>> that with a PID. >> >> Excellent. Thank you. > > Just out of curiosity, did you find the offending application?? Ric > > I did... but now of course I can't remember what it was. I seem to recall it was one of those things that if you kill it it comes back again at the next reboot. Anyway, iftop told me exactly what I needed to know, so I could remove it. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From kubuntu at wastedtimes.net Thu Oct 14 22:54:35 2010 From: kubuntu at wastedtimes.net (Mark Kelly) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:54:35 +0100 Subject: Identifying process using network? In-Reply-To: <4CB77579.6090908@gmail.com> References: <4C9B7A22.1010802@gmail.com> <1287089532.25573.3.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB77579.6090908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010142354.35172.kubuntu@wastedtimes.net> Hi. > > On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 10:45 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > >> Wes Hardin said the following at 09/23/2010 10:38 AM : > >>>> How can I determine which process is using the network interface to > >>>> send so much traffic? I know I'm late to the thread, but I'd also recommend you look at nethogs: http://nethogs.sourceforge.net/ "NetHogs is a small 'net top' tool. Instead of breaking the traffic down per protocol or per subnet, like most tools do, it groups bandwidth by process." I find it very useful here. Cheers, Mark From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 23:52:34 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:52:34 -0400 Subject: Identifying process using network? In-Reply-To: <201010142354.35172.kubuntu@wastedtimes.net> References: <4C9B7A22.1010802@gmail.com> <1287089532.25573.3.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB77579.6090908@gmail.com> <201010142354.35172.kubuntu@wastedtimes.net> Message-ID: <1287100354.25573.37.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 23:54 +0100, Mark Kelly wrote: > Hi. > > > > On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 10:45 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > > >> Wes Hardin said the following at 09/23/2010 10:38 AM : > > >>>> How can I determine which process is using the network interface to > > >>>> send so much traffic? > > I know I'm late to the thread, but I'd also recommend you look at nethogs: > > http://nethogs.sourceforge.net/ > > "NetHogs is a small 'net top' tool. Instead of breaking the traffic down per > protocol or per subnet, like most tools do, it groups bandwidth by process." > > I find it very useful here. It's in the repo and I just installed it. Nifty! Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Fri Oct 15 12:56:17 2010 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 08:56:17 -0400 Subject: panel always start w wrong size In-Reply-To: <4CB46245.4080600@gmail.com> References: <4CB46245.4080600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CB84F71.9060402@cfl.rr.com> On 10/12/2010 9:27 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > on Kubuntu 10.10 and KDE 4.5.1 > > most things work well, have found a few glitches though. One is > irritating: I work on a laptop and connect to an external monitor. When > I switch over to the external monitor the Panel does not automatically > resize but has to be maximized manually. Every time... > > Anyone have an idea, it was not like that in Lucid and I have found no > setting for it. > > Kindly > Sinclair > Did you try right clicking on the titlebar of the panel -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings? In that box you will a plethora (yes, an entire plethora) of choices. I generally use "Remember" for "Position" in the "Geometry" tab. However, you will find a large selection to choose from. Good luck! Tom -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis (Juvenal), Roman Poet, late 1st, early 2nd century AD ("Who will protect us from the protectors?") From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 14:45:48 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:45:48 +0200 Subject: panel always start w wrong size In-Reply-To: <4CB84F71.9060402@cfl.rr.com> References: <4CB46245.4080600@gmail.com> <4CB84F71.9060402@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4CB8691C.1010909@gmail.com> On 15/10/2010 14:56, Tom Bell wrote: > On 10/12/2010 9:27 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> on Kubuntu 10.10 and KDE 4.5.1 >> >> most things work well, have found a few glitches though. One is >> irritating: I work on a laptop and connect to an external monitor. When >> I switch over to the external monitor the Panel does not automatically >> resize but has to be maximized manually. Every time... >> >> Anyone have an idea, it was not like that in Lucid and I have found no >> setting for it. >> >> Kindly >> Sinclair >> > Did you try right clicking on the titlebar of the panel -> Advanced -> > Special Window Settings? > In that box you will a plethora (yes, an entire plethora) of choices. I > generally use "Remember" > for "Position" in the "Geometry" tab. However, you will find a large > selection to choose from. > Good luck! I am not sure we are talking about the same thing... I mean the panel normally placed at the bottom of the screen where you place the Task Manager, system tray, menu etc on. There is no titlebar as far as I know and rightclicking only gives "panel options" that leads to "panel settings". There is a choice for "maximize panel" but it is not "rememberable" on my computer at least. From gheskett at wdtv.com Fri Oct 15 18:56:19 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:56:19 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question Message-ID: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> Greetings all; I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is about 70% full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single pile of data should be my email corpus, with Mail having a total capacity of 3.3G. So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and was amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data than just in ~/gene/Mail. Example: 1.4G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are dated July 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no new stuff. I don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a kmainwin.rc file in that directory. I suspect this whole 10+gigabyte tree can be nuked. So... Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according to the mod dates the files all carry? If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should all be stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very gross miss-understanding of how kmail works? Secondarily; When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a day, the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of this 4 core phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per instance. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Don't hit a man when he's down -- kick him; it's easier. From isak.enstrom at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 19:33:48 2010 From: isak.enstrom at gmail.com (Isak =?iso-8859-1?q?Enstr=F6m?=) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 21:33:48 +0200 Subject: Fullscreen in embedded Dragon Player Message-ID: <201010152133.48464.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> Hi, Is there any way to get fullscreen video in Dragon Player when it's embedded in Konqueror? Simply pressing F or Ctrl+F does not work. When launching Dragon Player as standalone fullscreen is working. I'm using KDE 4.4.2 in Kubuntu LL -- // Isak Enström From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 20:49:34 2010 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:49:34 +0300 Subject: No sound in browsers, other sound are fine Message-ID: Dear all, After upgrading to 10.10 I lost sound in browsers (Firefox, Konqueror). All other sound work fine (system ones, Amarok, video etc). Any ideas how to fix this? Could not find any meaningful solution over the internet. Runing 10.10, KDE 4.5.2, Flash plug-in installed. Thanks. gk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 00:14:01 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:14:01 -0400 Subject: No sound in browsers, other sound are fine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1287188041.25573.170.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 23:49 +0300, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Dear all, > > After upgrading to 10.10 I lost sound in browsers (Firefox, > Konqueror). All other sound work fine (system ones, Amarok, video > etc). Any ideas how to fix this? Could not find any meaningful > solution over the internet. > > Runing 10.10, KDE 4.5.2, Flash plug-in installed. IF you have pavucontrol installed, fire up your browser in one window and pavucontrol in another. While a video is actually playing, switch to pavucontrol, and see what it shows under the "playback" tab and where it is sending the sound. You should see a horizontal line acting like a vu-meter, showing you that it is receiving the audio signal to process. If you see no such signal level, then the audio source is not making the trip. Make sure your apps are set to audio/device pulseaudio. Or, maybe you have another mixer volume level set to zero or muted. Try aslamixer on a command line. Wave a chicken foot? :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 05:32:21 2010 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:32:21 +0700 Subject: No sound in browsers, other sound are fine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Dear all, > > After upgrading to 10.10 I lost sound in browsers (Firefox, Konqueror).  All > other sound work fine (system ones, Amarok, video etc).  Any ideas how to > fix this? Could not find any meaningful solution over the internet. Do you have vlc installed? If not, you could try installing it. DK From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 05:43:18 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 07:43:18 +0200 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <4CB93B76.3060900@gmail.com> On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is about 70% full, > which didn't make sense as the biggest single pile of data should be my > email corpus, with Mail having a total capacity of 3.3G. > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and was amazed > that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data than just in ~/gene/Mail. > > Example: > 1.4G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are dated July 14, > and all the files in there are dated July 11, no new stuff. I don't use > Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a kmainwin.rc file in that > directory. I suspect this whole 10+gigabyte tree can be nuked. So... > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according to the mod > dates the files all carry? > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should all be stored > in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very gross miss-understanding of > how kmail works? > > Secondarily; > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a day, the > whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of this 4 core phenom is > tied up at 99% for an hour or more per instance. > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that is, otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not .kde4). And unless you have set up Kontact differently from default, yes that is the structure for keeping mail. I would certainly not nuke it until I had established where my mail actually are kept. The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your maildirs then maybe? Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then 1.13.5 Regards, Sinclair From gheskett at wdtv.com Sat Oct 16 14:42:20 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:42:20 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <4CB93B76.3060900@gmail.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CB93B76.3060900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010161042.20536.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is about 70% > > full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single pile of data > > should be my email corpus, with Mail having a total capacity of 3.3G. > > > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and was > > amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data than just in > > ~/gene/Mail. > > > > Example: > > 1.4G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > > > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are dated July > > 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no new stuff. I > > don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a kmainwin.rc file > > in that directory. I suspect this whole 10+gigabyte tree can be > > nuked. So... > > > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according to the > > mod dates the files all carry? > > > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > > > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should all be > > stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very gross > > miss-understanding of how kmail works? > > > > Secondarily; > > > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a day, > > the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of this 4 core > > phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per instance. > > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that is, > otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not .kde4). And > unless you have set up Kontact differently from default, yes that is the > structure for keeping mail. I would certainly not nuke it until I had > established where my mail actually are kept. > > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your > maildirs then maybe? > > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then 1.13.5 > > Regards, > Sinclair I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, and there have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the root of that tree & if nothing complains, or regenerates it, about 11G's will get nuked. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Tussman's Law: Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time has come. From bqz69 at telia.com Sat Oct 16 16:42:27 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: dolphin in meercat cannot mount partitions References: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:50:47 +0000, user1 wrote: > I have just installed meercat, and have some partitions with data. > > Now I cannot mount these partitions using dolphin. > > I can fine mount/unmount using nautilus. I just installed kdesudo, and that solved the problem :-) From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 16 18:54:16 2010 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:54:16 -0400 Subject: 10.10 desktop panel problem In-Reply-To: <4CB5B39D.8040902@gmail.com> References: <1600536469.256024.1286975226241.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4CB5B39D.8040902@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/13/2010 9:26 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 13/10/2010 15:07, pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: >> I've had a similar problem since kdesc 4.3 and kubuntu 9.04 and I've >> always assumed it's related to defining an external monitor as the first >> screen and the internal as the second. Seems kind of an odd way to think >> about things, but if you find a solution I'd love to hear it. >> Paul >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "O. Sinclair" >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:58:35 AM >> Subject: 10.10 desktop panel problem >> >> Have an irritating problem with the plasma panel after installing 10.10 >> >> I frequently use an external monitor and when I connect to that (being >> larger than the laptop LCD) the panel does not automatically resize but >> keeps a fixed size at the bottom of the screen. Have to unlock widgets >> and resize panel every time. >> >> Anyone knows if there is an "rc" file somewhere or if I missed a >> "automatically maximize panel" setting somewhere? >> > Nope that is not it - on my laptop LDVS is first, then VGA. In fact it > worked fine on 10.04 with the reversed order... > > Sorry about the misunderstanding over the panel. Is the screen set to a larger display size (1920X1024?) as opposed to the smaller one of the laptop screen (1024X768?). That may be the determining factor. Tom From rtgkid at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 19:21:56 2010 From: rtgkid at gmail.com (Ryan Gauger) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:21:56 -0500 Subject: Other Known Ubuntu Family OS's In-Reply-To: References: <1600536469.256024.1286975226241.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4CB5B39D.8040902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CB9FB54.2060908@gmail.com> On 10/16/2010 01:54 PM, Tom Bell wrote: > On 10/13/2010 9:26 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 13/10/2010 15:07, pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: >>> I've had a similar problem since kdesc 4.3 and kubuntu 9.04 and I've >>> always assumed it's related to defining an external monitor as the first >>> screen and the internal as the second. Seems kind of an odd way to think >>> about things, but if you find a solution I'd love to hear it. >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "O. Sinclair" >>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:58:35 AM >>> Subject: 10.10 desktop panel problem >>> >>> Have an irritating problem with the plasma panel after installing 10.10 >>> >>> I frequently use an external monitor and when I connect to that (being >>> larger than the laptop LCD) the panel does not automatically resize but >>> keeps a fixed size at the bottom of the screen. Have to unlock widgets >>> and resize panel every time. >>> >>> Anyone knows if there is an "rc" file somewhere or if I missed a >>> "automatically maximize panel" setting somewhere? >>> >> Nope that is not it - on my laptop LDVS is first, then VGA. In fact it >> worked fine on 10.04 with the reversed order... >> >> > Sorry about the misunderstanding over the panel. Is the screen set to a > larger display size (1920X1024?) as opposed to the smaller one of the > laptop screen (1024X768?). That may be the determining factor. > > Tom > > Hello, all. Anyone can reply to this message. Are there any other Ubuntu family OS's other than Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu? Thanks--- Ryan From kaj at haulrich.net Sat Oct 16 19:57:48 2010 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:57:48 +0200 Subject: Other Known Ubuntu Family OS's In-Reply-To: <4CB9FB54.2060908@gmail.com> References: <1600536469.256024.1286975226241.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4CB5B39D.8040902@gmail.com> <4CB9FB54.2060908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CBA03BC.90302@haulrich.net> On 2010-10-16 21:21, Ryan Gauger wrote: > On 10/16/2010 01:54 PM, Tom Bell wrote: >> On 10/13/2010 9:26 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> On 13/10/2010 15:07, pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: >>>> I've had a similar problem since kdesc 4.3 and kubuntu 9.04 and I've >>>> always assumed it's related to defining an external monitor as the first >>>> screen and the internal as the second. Seems kind of an odd way to think >>>> about things, but if you find a solution I'd love to hear it. >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "O. Sinclair" >>>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:58:35 AM >>>> Subject: 10.10 desktop panel problem >>>> >>>> Have an irritating problem with the plasma panel after installing 10.10 >>>> >>>> I frequently use an external monitor and when I connect to that (being >>>> larger than the laptop LCD) the panel does not automatically resize but >>>> keeps a fixed size at the bottom of the screen. Have to unlock widgets >>>> and resize panel every time. >>>> >>>> Anyone knows if there is an "rc" file somewhere or if I missed a >>>> "automatically maximize panel" setting somewhere? >>>> >>> Nope that is not it - on my laptop LDVS is first, then VGA. In fact it >>> worked fine on 10.04 with the reversed order... >>> >>> >> Sorry about the misunderstanding over the panel. Is the screen set to a >> larger display size (1920X1024?) as opposed to the smaller one of the >> laptop screen (1024X768?). That may be the determining factor. >> >> Tom >> >> > Hello, all. > > Anyone can reply to this message. Are there any other Ubuntu family OS's > other than Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu? Yes. The Mint family. Flavors of Gnome, KDE, Xfce, Fluxbox available. They are built on *buntu repos but comes with restricted apps such as flash, mp3, Sun Java etc... IMHO Mint is more polished, probably because they are released one month after the *buntu distros and accordingly have time to iron the worst bugs out. Otherwise Mint works almost exactly as *buntu. - besides that they now have a 'rolling' distro based on Debian. Kaj Haulrich. -- --- Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer--- --------- Running Linux Mint 9 (KDE) --------- From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 15:36:17 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 11:36:17 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010161042.20536.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CB93B76.3060900@gmail.com> <201010161042.20536.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <1287243377.25573.937.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:42 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: > > > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is about 70% > > > full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single pile of data > > > should be my email corpus, with Mail having a total capacity of 3.3G. > > > > > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and was > > > amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data than just in > > > ~/gene/Mail. > > > > > > Example: > > > 1.4G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > > > > > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are dated July > > > 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no new stuff. I > > > don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a kmainwin.rc file > > > in that directory. I suspect this whole 10+gigabyte tree can be > > > nuked. So... > > > > > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according to the > > > mod dates the files all carry? > > > > > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > > > > > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should all be > > > stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very gross > > > miss-understanding of how kmail works? > > > > > > Secondarily; > > > > > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a day, > > > the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of this 4 core > > > phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per instance. > > > > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that is, > > otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not .kde4). And > > unless you have set up Kontact differently from default, yes that is the > > structure for keeping mail. I would certainly not nuke it until I had > > established where my mail actually are kept. > > > > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your > > maildirs then maybe? > > > > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then 1.13.5 > > > > Regards, > > Sinclair > > I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, and there > have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the root of that tree & if > nothing complains, or regenerates it, about 11G's will get nuked. Huh, I don't have a .kde4 directory. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From claydoh at claydoh.com Sun Oct 17 19:08:31 2010 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (claydoh at claydoh.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 15:08:31 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <1287243377.25573.937.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4CB93B76.3060900@gmail.com> <201010161042.20536.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1287243377.25573.937.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <97d4f7e7d7c703152f1a982f220e3e1e.squirrel@claydoh.com> > On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:42 -0400, gene heskett wrote: >> On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: >> >> > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: >> > > Greetings all; >> > > >> > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is about >> 70% >> > > full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single pile of data >> > > should be my email corpus, with Mail having a total capacity of >> 3.3G. >> > > >> > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and was >> > > amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data than just >> in >> > > ~/gene/Mail. >> > > >> > > Example: >> > > 1.4G >> gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory >> > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur >> > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox >> > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur >> > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox >> > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail >> > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail >> > > >> > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are dated >> July >> > > 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no new stuff. I >> > > don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a kmainwin.rc >> file >> > > in that directory. I suspect this whole 10+gigabyte tree can be >> > > nuked. So... >> > > >> > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according to >> the >> > > mod dates the files all carry? >> > > >> > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? >> > > >> > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should all be >> > > stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very gross >> > > miss-understanding of how kmail works? >> > > >> > > Secondarily; >> > > >> > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a day, >> > > the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of this 4 core >> > > phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per instance. >> > >> > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that is, >> > otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not .kde4). And >> > unless you have set up Kontact differently from default, yes that is >> the >> > structure for keeping mail. I would certainly not nuke it until I had >> > established where my mail actually are kept. >> > >> > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your >> > maildirs then maybe? >> > >> > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then 1.13.5 >> > >> > Regards, >> > Sinclair >> >> I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, and >> there >> have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the root of that tree & >> if >> nothing complains, or regenerates it, about 11G's will get nuked. > > Huh, I don't have a .kde4 directory. Ric > > Could this be a setup dating back to hardy/intrepid? I think these were the only times there was a ~/.kde4 in Kubuntu. Clay From samorris at netspace.net.au Sun Oct 17 20:28:13 2010 From: samorris at netspace.net.au (Steve Morris) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:28:13 +1100 Subject: Pulseaudio on Maverick 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: <201010121136.06949.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CB4C54D.1080002@gmail.com> <201010122327.16787.valtermura@gmail.com> <1286930972.8143.2070.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB5385F.5050809@gmail.com> <4CB54BB9.8030309@iinet.net.au> <1286951979.2322.119.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4CB74CA9.4050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CBB5C5D.8070400@netspace.net.au> On 15/10/10 06:07, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > On 14 October 2010 19:32, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> why not just uninstall Pulseaudio? Then ALSA should "kick in" and take >> over? Have toyed with the idea myself but do not have the need although >> I see no advantage of PA over ALSA at all myself >> As I understand it from another distribution I use, PA is supposedly superior to Alsa and OSS, plus PA is apparently the default standard for Audio handling in Linux. regards, Steve > Mainly because I was reasonably happy with the 10.04's audio setup. I > don't want to ruin an other evening's recording with some more buggy > software. I should have upgraded only one of my audio workstations and > test the software. That's a lesson learned. I'm going to keep my > laptop on 10.10 and attempt to fix the audio recording on that and > move the desktop DAW back to its working state. > > All because I wanted more upto date versions of Ardour etc... Anyway... > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have toyed with the idea myself but do not have the need although > >> I see no advantage of PA over ALSA at all myself > >> > As I understand it from another distribution I use, PA is supposedly > superior to Alsa and OSS, plus PA is apparently the default standard for > Audio handling in Linux. When it works, it's great. If you upgraded from 10.4 you may have some lingering issues. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sun Oct 17 21:58:29 2010 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: weather and yawp plasmoid problem Message-ID: <1868441886.486098.1287352709442.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> On two newly installed maverick systems the desktop freezes when I try to configure a location for either the weather or yawp plasmoids. The only way out is to restart the display manager. Is anyone else familiar with this behavior? Is there a fix? Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 22:09:37 2010 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (A. Mani) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 03:39:37 +0530 Subject: Fwd: [Linux-discussion] The dangers of Open Core and Canonical's admission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another nice article on open-core: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Guest-commentary-Open-Core-is-over-1097073.html ________ Forwarded message___________________ From: Indranil Das Gupta Date: Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:24 PM Subject: [Linux-discussion] The dangers of Open Core and Canonical's admission To: linux-discussion at ilug-cal.info Hi all, For all those that go ga-ga over Ubuntu, which includes government departments promoting a single GNU/Linux Distro policy based on Ubuntu, here is perhaps a lesson and cautionary tale! Unfortunately it is not a "tale", its entirely true http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html Forget Free Software (or Software freedom), its questionable if you'll remain even Open Source in the long run. Here is what RMS has to say about the "Open Core" argument http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/assigning-copyright -idg Indranil Das Gupta ___________________________________________________ Best A. Mani -- A. Mani ASL, CLC,  AMS, CMS http://www.logicamani.co.cc From gcsgcatling at bigpond.com Sun Oct 17 22:49:46 2010 From: gcsgcatling at bigpond.com (GeraldCC) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:49:46 +1000 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <1287243377.25573.937.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010161042.20536.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1287243377.25573.937.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010180849.47531.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> On Sunday, October 17, 2010 01:36:17 am Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:42 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: > > > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is about 70% > > > > full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single pile of data > > > > should be my email corpus, with Mail having a total capacity of 3.3G. > > > > > > > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and was > > > > amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data than just in > > > > ~/gene/Mail. > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > 1.4G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > > > > > > > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are dated > > > > July 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no new stuff. > > > > I don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a kmainwin.rc > > > > file in that directory. I suspect this whole 10+gigabyte tree can > > > > be nuked. So... > > > > > > > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according to the > > > > mod dates the files all carry? > > > > > > > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > > > > > > > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should all be > > > > stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very gross > > > > miss-understanding of how kmail works? > > > > > > > > Secondarily; > > > > > > > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a day, > > > > the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of this 4 core > > > > phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per instance. > > > > > > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that is, > > > otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not .kde4). And > > > unless you have set up Kontact differently from default, yes that is > > > the structure for keeping mail. I would certainly not nuke it until I > > > had established where my mail actually are kept. > > > > > > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your > > > maildirs then maybe? > > > > > > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then 1.13.5 > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sinclair > > > > I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, and > > there have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the root of that > > tree & if nothing complains, or regenerates it, about 11G's will get > > nuked. > > Huh, I don't have a .kde4 directory. Ric Hi, I run PCLinuxOS 2010.07 and have kde 4 .5.2 running and kmail-since 2005 and the .kde4 folder is 1.4GB. Dont know if this helps??? Gerald From tomh0665 at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 23:05:58 2010 From: tomh0665 at gmail.com (Tom H) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:05:58 -0400 Subject: [Linux-discussion] The dangers of Open Core and Canonical's admission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 6:09 PM, A. Mani wrote: > > Another nice article on open-core: > http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Guest-commentary-Open-Core-is-over-1097073.html > > For all those that go ga-ga over Ubuntu, which includes government > departments promoting a single GNU/Linux Distro policy based on > Ubuntu, here is perhaps a lesson and cautionary tale! > > Unfortunately it is not a "tale", its entirely true > > http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html > > Forget Free Software (or Software freedom), its questionable if you'll > remain even Open Source in the long run. Here is what RMS has to say > about the "Open Core" argument > > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/assigning-copyright Thanks (because I've been meaning to google copyright assignment because of systemd) but this post belongs on a discussion list not a technical support list. From gene.heskett at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 23:34:38 2010 From: gene.heskett at gmail.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:34:38 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <1287243377.25573.937.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010161042.20536.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1287243377.25573.937.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010171934.39080.gene.heskett@gmail.com> On Sunday, October 17, 2010 07:33:11 pm Ric Moore did opine: > On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:42 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: > > > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is about > > > > 70% full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single pile of > > > > data should be my email corpus, with Mail having a total capacity > > > > of 3.3G. > > > > > > > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and > > > > was amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data than > > > > just in ~/gene/Mail. > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > 1.4G > > > > gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > > > > > > > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are dated > > > > July 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no new > > > > stuff. I don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a > > > > kmainwin.rc file in that directory. I suspect this whole > > > > 10+gigabyte tree can be nuked. So... > > > > > > > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according to > > > > the mod dates the files all carry? > > > > > > > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > > > > > > > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should all > > > > be stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very gross > > > > miss-understanding of how kmail works? > > > > > > > > Secondarily; > > > > > > > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a > > > > day, the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of this > > > > 4 core phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per instance. > > > > > > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that > > > is, otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not > > > .kde4). And unless you have set up Kontact differently from > > > default, yes that is the structure for keeping mail. I would > > > certainly not nuke it until I had established where my mail > > > actually are kept. > > > > > > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your > > > maildirs then maybe? > > > > > > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then > > > 1.13.5 > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sinclair > > > > I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, and > > there have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the root of > > that tree & if nothing complains, or regenerates it, about 11G's will > > get nuked. > > Huh, I don't have a .kde4 directory. Ric Tain't kubuntu, its pclos-2010.7. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The best definition of a gentleman is a man who can play the accordion -- but doesn't. -- Tom Crichton From gheskett at wdtv.com Sun Oct 17 23:51:54 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:51:54 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010180849.47531.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1287243377.25573.937.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010180849.47531.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <201010171951.54905.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Sunday, October 17, 2010 07:48:26 pm GeraldCC did opine: > On Sunday, October 17, 2010 01:36:17 am Ric Moore wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:42 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: > > > > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > > > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is > > > > > about 70% full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single > > > > > pile of data should be my email corpus, with Mail having a > > > > > total capacity of 3.3G. > > > > > > > > > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and > > > > > was amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data > > > > > than just in ~/gene/Mail. > > > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > > 1.4G > > > > > gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur 1.8G > > > > > gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > > > > > > > > > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are > > > > > dated July 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no > > > > > new stuff. > > > > > > > > > > I don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a > > > > > kmainwin.rc > > > > > > > > > > file in that directory. I suspect this whole 10+gigabyte tree > > > > > can be nuked. So... > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according > > > > > to the mod dates the files all carry? > > > > > > > > > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > > > > > > > > > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should > > > > > all be stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very > > > > > gross miss-understanding of how kmail works? > > > > > > > > > > Secondarily; > > > > > > > > > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a > > > > > day, the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of > > > > > this 4 core phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per > > > > > instance. > > > > > > > > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that > > > > is, otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not > > > > .kde4). And unless you have set up Kontact differently from > > > > default, yes that is the structure for keeping mail. I would > > > > certainly not nuke it until I had established where my mail > > > > actually are kept. > > > > > > > > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your > > > > maildirs then maybe? > > > > > > > > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then > > > > 1.13.5 > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Sinclair > > > > > > I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, and > > > there have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the root of > > > that tree & if nothing complains, or regenerates it, about 11G's > > > will get nuked. > > > > Huh, I don't have a .kde4 directory. Ric > > Hi, > I run PCLinuxOS 2010.07 and have kde 4 .5.2 running and kmail-since 2005 > and the .kde4 folder is 1.4GB. > Dont know if this helps??? > Gerald Thanks. Humm, and my corpus goes back to 2002 for some lists so I would expect it to be some larger. The question is "which .kde4 folder?", I appear to have more than 1 at various levels in my home directory. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we're both right (I'm guessing we are) I'm Not Very Happy. * Minupla hands you the understatement of the year award. From gheskett at wdtv.com Mon Oct 18 00:00:01 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:00:01 -0400 Subject: [Linux-discussion] The dangers of Open Core and Canonical's admission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010172000.02176.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Sunday, October 17, 2010 07:52:29 pm Tom H did opine: > On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 6:09 PM, A. Mani wrote: > > Another nice article on open-core: > > http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Guest-commentary-Open-Core-is-ov > > er-1097073.html > > > > For all those that go ga-ga over Ubuntu, which includes government > > departments promoting a single GNU/Linux Distro policy based on > > Ubuntu, here is perhaps a lesson and cautionary tale! > > > > Unfortunately it is not a "tale", its entirely true > > > > http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html > > > > Forget Free Software (or Software freedom), its questionable if you'll > > remain even Open Source in the long run. Here is what RMS has to say > > about the "Open Core" argument > > > > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/assigning-copyright > > Thanks (because I've been meaning to google copyright assignment > because of systemd) but this post belongs on a discussion list not a > technical support list. Maybe so, but you will have to admit its damned enlightening. And because some other SW I use is dependent on having a stable release that isn't a wash rinse repeat at 6 month intervals, they have chosen to rely on Ubuntu's LTS versions since the original LTS versions were announced. Now, if Shuttleworths intention is to take large parts of his distro out of the GPL, we will be forced to find another more co-operative distro, or freeze our base install and maintain it for security etc fixes ourselves. This is not a practical to do thing as there aren't near enough of us to tackle making our own distro. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "I think Michael is like litmus paper - he's always trying to learn." -- Elizabeth Taylor, absurd non-sequitir about Michael Jackson From tomh0665 at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 00:24:43 2010 From: tomh0665 at gmail.com (Tom H) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Linux-discussion] The dangers of Open Core and Canonical's admission In-Reply-To: <201010172000.02176.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010172000.02176.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 8:00 PM, gene heskett wrote: > On Sunday, October 17, 2010 07:52:29 pm Tom H did opine: >> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 6:09 PM, A. Mani wrote: >> > Another nice article on open-core: >> > http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Guest-commentary-Open-Core-is-ov >> > er-1097073.html >> > >> > For all those that go ga-ga over Ubuntu, which includes government >> > departments promoting a single GNU/Linux Distro policy based on >> > Ubuntu, here is perhaps a lesson and cautionary tale! >> > >> > Unfortunately it is not a "tale", its entirely true >> > >> > http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html >> > >> > Forget Free Software (or Software freedom), its questionable if you'll >> > remain even Open Source in the long run. Here is what RMS has to say >> > about the "Open Core" argument >> > >> > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/assigning-copyright >> >> Thanks (because I've been meaning to google copyright assignment >> because of systemd) but this post belongs on a discussion list not a >> technical support list. > > Maybe so, but you will have to admit its damned enlightening. That's why I said "thanks." From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 01:41:44 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:41:44 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010171934.39080.gene.heskett@gmail.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010161042.20536.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1287243377.25573.937.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010171934.39080.gene.heskett@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1287366104.1901.33.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 19:34 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday, October 17, 2010 07:33:11 pm Ric Moore did opine: > > > On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:42 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: > > > > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > > > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is about > > > > > 70% full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single pile of > > > > > data should be my email corpus, with Mail having a total capacity > > > > > of 3.3G. > > > > > > > > > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and > > > > > was amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data than > > > > > just in ~/gene/Mail. > > > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > > 1.4G > > > > > gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > > > > > > > > > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are dated > > > > > July 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no new > > > > > stuff. I don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a > > > > > kmainwin.rc file in that directory. I suspect this whole > > > > > 10+gigabyte tree can be nuked. So... > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according to > > > > > the mod dates the files all carry? > > > > > > > > > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > > > > > > > > > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should all > > > > > be stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very gross > > > > > miss-understanding of how kmail works? > > > > > > > > > > Secondarily; > > > > > > > > > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a > > > > > day, the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of this > > > > > 4 core phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per instance. > > > > > > > > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that > > > > is, otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not > > > > .kde4). And unless you have set up Kontact differently from > > > > default, yes that is the structure for keeping mail. I would > > > > certainly not nuke it until I had established where my mail > > > > actually are kept. > > > > > > > > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your > > > > maildirs then maybe? > > > > > > > > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then > > > > 1.13.5 > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Sinclair > > > > > > I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, and > > > there have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the root of > > > that tree & if nothing complains, or regenerates it, about 11G's will > > > get nuked. > > > > Huh, I don't have a .kde4 directory. Ric > > Tain't kubuntu, its pclos-2010.7. forgive me for assuming. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From labradley at mindspring.com Mon Oct 18 02:03:33 2010 From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:03:33 -0500 Subject: Your message to ubuntu-users awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CBBAAF5.9070804@mindspring.com> ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Your mail to 'ubuntu-users' with the subject > > Using Ubuntu 64 bit server > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Post by non-member to a members-only list > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-users/fb8b2a6fcbf61b100eee13d784fe645c8630c3ad > > I have been a member of ubuntu-users list since July 13, 2006. Dear larryalk, Thanks for registering at Ubuntu Forums! We are glad you have chosen to be a part of our community and we hope you enjoy your stay. All the best, Ubuntu Forums From blchupin at iinet.net.au Mon Oct 18 02:29:23 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:29:23 +1100 Subject: Your message to ubuntu-users awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: <4CBBAAF5.9070804@mindspring.com> References: <4CBBAAF5.9070804@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <4CBBB103.1030109@iinet.net.au> On 18/10/2010 13:03, Larry Alkoff wrote: > ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > >> Your mail to 'ubuntu-users' with the subject >> >> Using Ubuntu 64 bit server >> >> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. >> >> The reason it is being held: >> >> Post by non-member to a members-only list >> >> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive >> notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel >> this posting, please visit the following URL: >> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-users/fb8b2a6fcbf61b100eee13d784fe645c8630c3ad >> >> >> > I have been a member of ubuntu-users list since July 13, 2006. > > Dear larryalk, > > Thanks for registering at Ubuntu Forums! We are glad you have chosen to > be a part of our community and we hope you enjoy your stay. > > All the best, > Ubuntu Forums > Ubuntu-users is not ubuntu forums. BC -- "If it weren't for electricity we'd be all watching television by candlelight." George Gobel From gcsgcatling at bigpond.com Mon Oct 18 08:14:05 2010 From: gcsgcatling at bigpond.com (GeraldCC) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:14:05 +1000 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010171951.54905.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010180849.47531.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> <201010171951.54905.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <201010181814.09071.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> On Monday, October 18, 2010 09:51:54 am gene heskett wrote: > On Sunday, October 17, 2010 07:48:26 pm GeraldCC did opine: > > On Sunday, October 17, 2010 01:36:17 am Ric Moore wrote: > > > On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:42 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: > > > > > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > > > > > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is > > > > > > about 70% full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single > > > > > > pile of data should be my email corpus, with Mail having a > > > > > > total capacity of 3.3G. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and > > > > > > was amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data > > > > > > than just in ~/gene/Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > > > 1.4G > > > > > > gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory > > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur 1.8G > > > > > > gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > > > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > > > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > > > > > > > > > > > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are > > > > > > dated July 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no > > > > > > new stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a > > > > > > kmainwin.rc > > > > > > > > > > > > file in that directory. I suspect this whole 10+gigabyte tree > > > > > > can be nuked. So... > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according > > > > > > to the mod dates the files all carry? > > > > > > > > > > > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should > > > > > > all be stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very > > > > > > gross miss-understanding of how kmail works? > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondarily; > > > > > > > > > > > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a > > > > > > day, the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of > > > > > > this 4 core phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per > > > > > > instance. > > > > > > > > > > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that > > > > > is, otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not > > > > > .kde4). And unless you have set up Kontact differently from > > > > > default, yes that is the structure for keeping mail. I would > > > > > certainly not nuke it until I had established where my mail > > > > > actually are kept. > > > > > > > > > > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your > > > > > maildirs then maybe? > > > > > > > > > > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then > > > > > 1.13.5 > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Sinclair > > > > > > > > I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, and > > > > there have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the root of > > > > that tree & if nothing complains, or regenerates it, about 11G's > > > > will get nuked. > > > > > > Huh, I don't have a .kde4 directory. Ric > > > > Hi, > > I run PCLinuxOS 2010.07 and have kde 4 .5.2 running and kmail-since 2005 > > and the .kde4 folder is 1.4GB. > > Dont know if this helps??? > > Gerald > > Thanks. Humm, and my corpus goes back to 2002 for some lists so I would > expect it to be some larger. The question is "which .kde4 folder?", I > appear to have more than 1 at various levels in my home directory. Hi, Just where are all your .kde4 folders. In all my updates/upgrades i have just 1. Look in the .kde4/share/apps/kmail and try to determine which system has the latest and greatest emails. Gerald From gheskett at wdtv.com Mon Oct 18 15:33:14 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:33:14 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010181814.09071.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010171951.54905.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010181814.09071.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <201010181133.14749.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Monday, October 18, 2010 11:31:38 am GeraldCC did opine: > On Monday, October 18, 2010 09:51:54 am gene heskett wrote: > > On Sunday, October 17, 2010 07:48:26 pm GeraldCC did opine: > > > On Sunday, October 17, 2010 01:36:17 am Ric Moore wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:42 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: > > > > > > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is > > > > > > > about 70% full, which didn't make sense as the biggest > > > > > > > single pile of data should be my email corpus, with Mail > > > > > > > having a total capacity of 3.3G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise > > > > > > > and was amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail > > > > > > > data than just in ~/gene/Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > > > > 1.4G > > > > > > > gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.director > > > > > > > y 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur > > > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > > > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > > > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > > > > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > > > > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are > > > > > > > dated July 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, > > > > > > > no new stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a > > > > > > > kmainwin.rc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > file in that directory. I suspect this whole 10+gigabyte > > > > > > > tree can be nuked. So... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained > > > > > > > according to the mod dates the files all carry? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that > > > > > > > should all be stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have > > > > > > > a very gross miss-understanding of how kmail works? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondarily; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times > > > > > > > a day, the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core > > > > > > > of this 4 core phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more > > > > > > > per instance. > > > > > > > > > > > > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size > > > > > > that is, otherwise it matches apart from my listing being > > > > > > .kde, not .kde4). And unless you have set up Kontact > > > > > > differently from default, yes that is the structure for > > > > > > keeping mail. I would certainly not nuke it until I had > > > > > > established where my mail actually are kept. > > > > > > > > > > > > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of > > > > > > your maildirs then maybe? > > > > > > > > > > > > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then > > > > > > 1.13.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sinclair > > > > > > > > > > I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, > > > > > and there have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the > > > > > root of that tree & if nothing complains, or regenerates it, > > > > > about 11G's will get nuked. > > > > > > > > Huh, I don't have a .kde4 directory. Ric > > > > > > Hi, > > > I run PCLinuxOS 2010.07 and have kde 4 .5.2 running and kmail-since > > > 2005 and the .kde4 folder is 1.4GB. > > > Dont know if this helps??? > > > Gerald > > > > Thanks. Humm, and my corpus goes back to 2002 for some lists so I > > would expect it to be some larger. The question is "which .kde4 > > folder?", I appear to have more than 1 at various levels in my home > > directory. > > Hi, > Just where are all your .kde4 folders. > In all my updates/upgrades i have just 1. > Look in the .kde4/share/apps/kmail and try to determine which system has > the latest and greatest emails. > Gerald I believe it is the ~/.kde tree that is surplus, I just renamed it to ".kde-test" & we'll see who complains. If nobody does, it gets nuked. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Will this never-ending series of PLEASURABLE EVENTS never cease? From kassube at gmx.net Mon Oct 18 16:14:39 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:14:39 +0200 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010181133.14749.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010181814.09071.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> <201010181133.14749.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <201010181814.39335.kassube@gmx.net> gene heskett wrote: > I believe it is the ~/.kde tree that is surplus, I just renamed it to > ".kde-test" & we'll see who complains. If nobody does, it gets > nuked. ~/.kde is the current config directory. ~/.kde4 was used for some time when both KDE3 and KDE4 were available from the repos, IIRC. But no application will complain if the directory is missing. They just start from scratch which may not be what you want. E.g. kmail stores your mail somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/. Nils From gkourtev at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 16:23:44 2010 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:23:44 +0300 Subject: No sound in browsers, other sound are fine In-Reply-To: <1287188041.25573.170.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1287188041.25573.170.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010181923.45043.gkourtev@gmail.com> On Saturday 16 October 2010 03:14:01 Ric Moore wrote: > On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 23:49 +0300, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > After upgrading to 10.10 I lost sound in browsers (Firefox, > > Konqueror). All other sound work fine (system ones, Amarok, video > > etc). Any ideas how to fix this? Could not find any meaningful > > solution over the internet. > > > > Runing 10.10, KDE 4.5.2, Flash plug-in installed. > > IF you have pavucontrol installed, fire up your browser in one window > and pavucontrol in another. While a video is actually playing, switch to > pavucontrol, and see what it shows under the "playback" tab and where it > is sending the sound. You should see a horizontal line acting like a > vu-meter, showing you that it is receiving the audio signal to process. > > If you see no such signal level, then the audio source is not making the > trip. Make sure your apps are set to audio/device pulseaudio. Or, maybe > you have another mixer volume level set to zero or muted. Try aslamixer > on a command line. Wave a chicken foot? :) Ric No, I don't have it installed (should I?) None of the other system levels are set to mute. Thus all other things work fine. Have no idea -- can it be from the plugging in Mozila? I have another PC with same settings and there are no problems. gk From gheskett at wdtv.com Mon Oct 18 16:36:31 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:36:31 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010181814.39335.kassube@gmx.net> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010181133.14749.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010181814.39335.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <201010181236.31757.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Monday, October 18, 2010 12:24:12 pm Nils Kassube did opine: > gene heskett wrote: > > I believe it is the ~/.kde tree that is surplus, I just renamed it to > > ".kde-test" & we'll see who complains. If nobody does, it gets > > nuked. > > ~/.kde is the current config directory. ~/.kde4 was used for some time > when both KDE3 and KDE4 were available from the repos, IIRC. But no > application will complain if the directory is missing. They just start > from scratch which may not be what you want. E.g. kmail stores your mail > somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/. > > > Nils This may depend on the distro's. In an hour, nothing of kde's has complained because the directory is missing. Everything has duplicates in the .kde4 tree, and its these duplicates that seem to be the ones actively being used. Bear in mind this isn't ubuntu, but pclos. All of that email corpus was copied over from a Mint 9 install that self destructed in less that a months time from its fresh install during an update. I haven't been on fedora since F10, going to mandriva which worked for several months and then self emolated during an update, just as mint did a month later pclos so far as hehaved itself very well, but it also was a go back to 32 bit for me. Bear in mind these were all fresh installs on individual hard drives as there are 4 1Tb drives in this box, one of which is the virtual tapes for amanda, my backup program. This mobo still has 2 empty sata-II sockets. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I know th'MAMBO!! I have a TWO-TONE CHEMISTRY SET!! From pwhite at bluewin.ch Mon Oct 18 17:03:49 2010 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:03:49 +0200 Subject: [Linux-discussion] The dangers of Open Core and Canonical's admission In-Reply-To: References: <201010172000.02176.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <201010181903.49117.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Monday 18 October 2010 02.24:43 Tom H, vous avez écrit (you wrote) : > On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 8:00 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > On Sunday, October 17, 2010 07:52:29 pm Tom H did opine: > >> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 6:09 PM, A. Mani wrote: > >> > Another nice article on open-core: > >> > http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Guest-commentary-Open-Core-is-ov > >> > er-1097073.html > >> > > >> > For all those that go ga-ga over Ubuntu, which includes government > >> > departments promoting a single GNU/Linux Distro policy based on > >> > Ubuntu, here is perhaps a lesson and cautionary tale! > >> > > >> > Unfortunately it is not a "tale", its entirely true > >> > > >> > http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html > >> > > >> > Forget Free Software (or Software freedom), its questionable if you'll > >> > remain even Open Source in the long run. Here is what RMS has to say > >> > about the "Open Core" argument > >> > > >> > http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/assigning-copyright > >> > >> Thanks (because I've been meaning to google copyright assignment > >> because of systemd) but this post belongs on a discussion list not a > >> technical support list. Although this discussion does not fit under "technical support" it is probably of deepest interest to our community. I wish the list keeps tolerating such (highly targeted) announcements (my 2 cents). > > > > Maybe so, but you will have to admit its damned enlightening. > > That's why I said "thanks." > -- BOFH excuse #49: Bogon emissions From kassube at gmx.net Mon Oct 18 17:14:07 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:14:07 +0200 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010181236.31757.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010181814.39335.kassube@gmx.net> <201010181236.31757.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <201010181914.07240.kassube@gmx.net> gene heskett wrote: > On Monday, October 18, 2010 12:24:12 pm Nils Kassube did opine: > > gene heskett wrote: > > > I believe it is the ~/.kde tree that is surplus, I just renamed > > > it to ".kde-test" & we'll see who complains. If nobody does, it > > > gets nuked. > > > > ~/.kde is the current config directory. ~/.kde4 was used for some > > time when both KDE3 and KDE4 were available from the repos, IIRC. > > But no application will complain if the directory is missing. They > > just start from scratch which may not be what you want. E.g. kmail > > stores your mail somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/. > > This may depend on the distro's. In an hour, nothing of kde's has > complained because the directory is missing. Everything has > duplicates in the .kde4 tree, and its these duplicates that seem to > be the ones actively being used. Bear in mind this isn't ubuntu, > but pclos. OK, I don't know pclos and as this is the Kubuntu-users list I was (by mistake) expecting we were talking about Kubuntu. :) I think you could check the time stamps of the files in ~/.kde/* and ~/.kde4/* if you aren't sure which one is used. The unused ones should be quite old. Nils From pwhite at bluewin.ch Mon Oct 18 17:47:20 2010 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:47:20 +0200 Subject: Your message to ubuntu-users awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: <4CBBB103.1030109@iinet.net.au> References: <4CBBAAF5.9070804@mindspring.com> <4CBBB103.1030109@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <201010181947.21015.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Monday 18 October 2010 04.29:23 Basil Chupin, vous avez écrit (you wrote) : > On 18/10/2010 13:03, Larry Alkoff wrote: > > ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > >> Your mail to 'ubuntu-users' with the subject > >> > >> Using Ubuntu 64 bit server > >> > >> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > >> > >> The reason it is being held: > >> > >> Post by non-member to a members-only list > >> > >> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > >> notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > >> this posting, please visit the following URL: > >> > >> > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-users/fb8b2a6fcbf61b100e > >>ee13d784fe645c8630c3ad > > > > I have been a member of ubuntu-users list since July 13, 2006. > > > > Dear larryalk, > > > > Thanks for registering at Ubuntu Forums! We are glad you have chosen to > > be a part of our community and we hope you enjoy your stay. > > > > All the best, > > Ubuntu Forums > > Ubuntu-users is not ubuntu forums. > > BC > Larry already posted on this list, see : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2010-August/051611.html The OP seems to be have the same address "Larry Alkoff " on the latest mail or "Larry Alkoff labradley at mindspring.com " from the archive. What could have changed? _If mindspring.com is only a mail service provider (like GMail) the ISP (Internet supplier service) may have changed. I cannot swear (damn memory) that this makes any difference, I just have a vague recollection. [Solution: see if you can change some parameters in "https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users" or just resubscribe.] _Another possible change is that you were not posting from your usual computer and modem/router (Cookie or uuid?). I don't know if that matters. The simplest cure would still be the same. But I'll will be glad to learn more about this. Cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #447: According to Microsoft, it's by design From myriam at kubuntu.org Mon Oct 18 21:44:58 2010 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:44:58 +0200 Subject: Your message to ubuntu-users awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: <201010181947.21015.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <4CBBAAF5.9070804@mindspring.com> <4CBBB103.1030109@iinet.net.au> <201010181947.21015.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: Hi Perry, On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 19:47, Perry wrote: > Le Monday 18 October 2010 04.29:23 Basil Chupin, vous avez écrit (you wrote) : >> On 18/10/2010 13:03, Larry Alkoff wrote: >> > ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: >> >> Your mail to 'ubuntu-users' with the subject >> >> >> >>      Using Ubuntu 64 bit server >> >> >> >> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. >> >> >> >> The reason it is being held: >> >> >> >>      Post by non-member to a members-only list >> >> >> >> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive >> >> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel >> >> this posting, please visit the following URL: >> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-users/fb8b2a6fcbf61b100e >> >>ee13d784fe645c8630c3ad >> > >> > I have been a member of ubuntu-users list since July 13, 2006. >> > >> > Dear larryalk, >> > >> > Thanks for registering at Ubuntu Forums! We are glad you have chosen to >> > be a part of our community and we hope you enjoy your stay. >> > >> > All the best, >> > Ubuntu Forums >> >> Ubuntu-users is not ubuntu forums. >> >> BC >> > Larry already posted on this list, see : > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2010-August/051611.html > > The OP seems to be have the same address "Larry Alkoff > " on the latest mail or "Larry Alkoff labradley at > mindspring.com " from the archive. > > What could have changed? > _If mindspring.com is only a mail service provider (like GMail) the ISP > (Internet supplier service) may have changed. > I cannot swear (damn memory) that this makes any difference, I just have a > vague recollection. > [Solution: see if you can change some parameters in > "https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users" or just > resubscribe.] > _Another possible change is that you were not posting from your usual computer > and modem/router (Cookie or uuid?). I don't know if that matters. > The simplest cure would still be the same. > > But I'll will be glad to learn more about this. Please read again: he is subscribed to kubuntu-users as his post came through without problems, he is a member in the ubuntu-forums, but assumed (wrongly) that he could post to the ubuntu-users (without the k) without being subscribed to that list. Basil already answered correctly. Now could we please end this discussion here? It is not relevant to kubuntu-users, since the problem is not related to this list at all. Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From labradley at mindspring.com Mon Oct 18 22:21:24 2010 From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:21:24 -0500 Subject: Your message to ubuntu-users awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: <201010181947.21015.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <4CBBAAF5.9070804@mindspring.com> <4CBBB103.1030109@iinet.net.au> <201010181947.21015.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <4CBCC864.8080504@mindspring.com> Perry wrote: > Le Monday 18 October 2010 04.29:23 Basil Chupin, vous avez écrit (you wrote) : >> On 18/10/2010 13:03, Larry Alkoff wrote: >>> ubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: >>>> Your mail to 'ubuntu-users' with the subject >>>> >>>> Using Ubuntu 64 bit server >>>> >>>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. >>>> >>>> The reason it is being held: >>>> >>>> Post by non-member to a members-only list >>>> >>>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive >>>> notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel >>>> this posting, please visit the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/confirm/ubuntu-users/fb8b2a6fcbf61b100e >>>> ee13d784fe645c8630c3ad >>> I have been a member of ubuntu-users list since July 13, 2006. >>> >>> Dear larryalk, >>> >>> Thanks for registering at Ubuntu Forums! We are glad you have chosen to >>> be a part of our community and we hope you enjoy your stay. >>> >>> All the best, >>> Ubuntu Forums >> Ubuntu-users is not ubuntu forums. >> >> BC >> > Larry already posted on this list, see : > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2010-August/051611.html > > The OP seems to be have the same address "Larry Alkoff > " on the latest mail or "Larry Alkoff labradley at > mindspring.com " from the archive. > > What could have changed? > _If mindspring.com is only a mail service provider (like GMail) the ISP > (Internet supplier service) may have changed. > I cannot swear (damn memory) that this makes any difference, I just have a > vague recollection. > [Solution: see if you can change some parameters in > "https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users" or just > resubscribe.] > _Another possible change is that you were not posting from your usual computer > and modem/router (Cookie or uuid?). I don't know if that matters. > The simplest cure would still be the same. > > But I'll will be glad to learn more about this. > > Cheers Perry > > Mindspring.com is and has been my only email provider for years. Now owned by Earthlink but they have kept the mindspring.com name. I have been posting from this location using Linux computers for 10 years. I really thought I was posting to Ubuntu-users. If not, how do I join Ubuntu-users? Larry Alkoff From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Oct 18 22:30:45 2010 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:30:45 -0700 Subject: Your message to ubuntu-users awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: <4CBCC864.8080504@mindspring.com> References: <201010181947.21015.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <4CBCC864.8080504@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <201010181530.45838.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Monday, October 18, 2010 3:21:24 pm Larry Alkoff wrote: > > Mindspring.com is and has been my only email provider for years. Now > owned by Earthlink but they have kept the mindspring.com name. > > I have been posting from this location using Linux computers for 10 years. > > I really thought I was posting to Ubuntu-users. > If not, how do I join Ubuntu-users? Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From myriam at kubuntu.org Mon Oct 18 22:33:30 2010 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 00:33:30 +0200 Subject: Your message to ubuntu-users awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: <4CBCC864.8080504@mindspring.com> References: <4CBBAAF5.9070804@mindspring.com> <4CBBB103.1030109@iinet.net.au> <201010181947.21015.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <4CBCC864.8080504@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 00:21, Larry Alkoff wrote: .... > > I really thought I was posting to Ubuntu-users. > If not, how do I join Ubuntu-users? Similar to the URL specified at the bottom of this mail, you just need to go to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users and subscribe to the list. Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From labradley at mindspring.com Mon Oct 18 22:40:25 2010 From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:40:25 -0500 Subject: Your message to ubuntu-users awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: References: <4CBBAAF5.9070804@mindspring.com> <4CBBB103.1030109@iinet.net.au> <201010181947.21015.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <4CBCC864.8080504@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <4CBCCCD9.7060401@mindspring.com> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 00:21, Larry Alkoff wrote: > .... >> I really thought I was posting to Ubuntu-users. >> If not, how do I join Ubuntu-users? > > Similar to the URL specified at the bottom of this mail, you just need > to go to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users and > subscribe to the list. > > > Regards, Myriam. > Thanks Myriam. I joined the list a few minutes ago and re-sent my original post to the group. Larry Alkoff N2LA Austin TX From gheskett at wdtv.com Tue Oct 19 01:04:27 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:04:27 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010181914.07240.kassube@gmx.net> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010181236.31757.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010181914.07240.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <201010182104.27832.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Monday, October 18, 2010 08:28:41 pm Nils Kassube did opine: > gene heskett wrote: > > On Monday, October 18, 2010 12:24:12 pm Nils Kassube did opine: > > > gene heskett wrote: > > > > I believe it is the ~/.kde tree that is surplus, I just renamed > > > > it to ".kde-test" & we'll see who complains. If nobody does, it > > > > gets nuked. > > > > > > ~/.kde is the current config directory. ~/.kde4 was used for some > > > time when both KDE3 and KDE4 were available from the repos, IIRC. > > > But no application will complain if the directory is missing. They > > > just start from scratch which may not be what you want. E.g. kmail > > > stores your mail somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/. > > > > This may depend on the distro's. In an hour, nothing of kde's has > > complained because the directory is missing. Everything has > > duplicates in the .kde4 tree, and its these duplicates that seem to > > be the ones actively being used. Bear in mind this isn't ubuntu, > > but pclos. > > OK, I don't know pclos and as this is the Kubuntu-users list I was (by > mistake) expecting we were talking about Kubuntu. :) > > I think you could check the time stamps of the files in ~/.kde/* and > ~/.kde4/* if you aren't sure which one is used. The unused ones should > be quite old. > > > Nils They are all dated in the June 14 to June 11 range, and since they haven't come back, now has anything objected, I believe its safe to nuke the ".kde- test" the was .kde. The kde4 tree does have quite a few files that are either much newer, or currently dated. Now, as far as not talking about kubuntu, I figure that the mailing lists of those distro's that do support kde, are a heck of a lot better source of information than the pclos forum, which seems to needlessly want to catalog each question into a separate directory tree, and whose response time to a query can be weeks. I have several open queries on that forum that have never even been read by another user. Its all linux, and to me that is what counts. And there is a question here occasionally that I can contribute an answer to as I do have 2 other boxes running 10.4. So I'm not exactly an outsider. My concern re the open core discussion is that there is an open source program that can run milling machines and lathes with up to 9 axises or degrees of motion. It requires the RTAI package that handles all the I/O in real time, and that needs to be built specifically for the kernel it will be asked to run with. That is not a trivial ".configure;make;make install" operation, taking our guys weeks to get it all running correctly. Because of this labor overhead, the kernel version is generally frozen and it will be updated only if a huge security hole is found which would require a new build of both the kernel and RTAI. Now we go off-topic even farther because I want to explain why its important. This software is the outgrowth of the original NIST program for controlling factory machinery from back in the very dim, before there was a linux even, past. Today it is carving engine blocks for Toyota, and running complex manufacturing operations all the way from teeny little table top machines like mine, to a 50 year old Cincinnati MilliCron that is being retrofitted with it right now, and which just last week was asked to carve some bearing recesses for some big ball bearings that needed a 5" diameter pocket, and did it to a working accuracy of .0005", and did it several times faster that any other machine in that job shop could think of doing it. Pretty decent for a 50 year old machine. This machine probably weighs in excess of 30 tons. The software, emc, is under active development yet. Yes, there are also very high dollar commercial machine control packages. Funny thing is, the interface electronics and hardware some of them use is decades old. Emc can drive it, at zero cost for Emc, today, whereas the commercial folks have either failed and are no more, or their 5 digit/seat charges have knocked them out of consideration. Where time is money to a job shop, the increased production emc offers because its faster makes the choice a no brainer. will explain it better than I can as it won't bore those that are interested. I'll be like Andy Capp, and shaddup now. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. -- J. Winter Smith From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Tue Oct 19 03:39:33 2010 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:39:33 -0700 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <97d4f7e7d7c703152f1a982f220e3e1e.squirrel@claydoh.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1287243377.25573.937.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <97d4f7e7d7c703152f1a982f220e3e1e.squirrel@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <201010182039.33679.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Sunday, October 17, 2010 12:08:31 pm claydoh at claydoh.com wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:42 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > >> On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: > >> > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > >> > > Greetings all; > >> > > > >> > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is about > >> > >> 70% > >> > >> > > full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single pile of data > >> > > should be my email corpus, with Mail having a total capacity of > >> > >> 3.3G. > >> > >> > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and was > >> > > amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data than just > >> > >> in > >> > >> > > ~/gene/Mail. > >> > > > >> > > Example: > >> > > 1.4G > >> > >> gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory > >> > >> > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur > >> > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > >> > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > >> > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > >> > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > >> > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > >> > > > >> > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are dated > >> > >> July > >> > >> > > 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no new stuff. I > >> > > don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a kmainwin.rc > >> > >> file > >> > >> > > in that directory. I suspect this whole 10+gigabyte tree can be > >> > > nuked. So... > >> > > > >> > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according to > >> > >> the > >> > >> > > mod dates the files all carry? > >> > > > >> > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > >> > > > >> > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should all be > >> > > stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very gross > >> > > miss-understanding of how kmail works? > >> > > > >> > > Secondarily; > >> > > > >> > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a day, > >> > > the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of this 4 core > >> > > phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per instance. > >> > > >> > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that is, > >> > otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not .kde4). And > >> > unless you have set up Kontact differently from default, yes that is > >> > >> the > >> > >> > structure for keeping mail. I would certainly not nuke it until I had > >> > established where my mail actually are kept. > >> > > >> > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your > >> > maildirs then maybe? > >> > > >> > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then 1.13.5 > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Sinclair > >> > >> I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, and > >> there > >> have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the root of that tree & > >> if > >> nothing complains, or regenerates it, about 11G's will get nuked. > > > > Huh, I don't have a .kde4 directory. Ric > > Could this be a setup dating back to hardy/intrepid? I think these were > the only times there was a ~/.kde4 in Kubuntu. I'd suspect it was Hardy which is what I had till the current LTS release and I have a .kde4 directory. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Tue Oct 19 03:53:42 2010 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:53:42 -0700 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <1287366104.1901.33.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010171934.39080.gene.heskett@gmail.com> <1287366104.1901.33.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010182053.42581.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:41:44 pm Ric Moore wrote: > On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 19:34 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday, October 17, 2010 07:33:11 pm Ric Moore did opine: > > > On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:42 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:40:09 am O. Sinclair did opine: > > > > > On 15/10/2010 20:56, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > > > > > > I just did a df and found my home dir has 21Gb in it and is about > > > > > > 70% full, which didn't make sense as the biggest single pile of > > > > > > data should be my email corpus, with Mail having a total capacity > > > > > > of 3.3G. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I ran a "du -h gene|grep G" in order to reduce the noise and > > > > > > was amazed that kmail seems to be keeping far more mail data than > > > > > > just in ~/gene/Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > > > 1.4G > > > > > > gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.KMail-Import.directory > > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/cur > > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox > > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox/cur > > > > > > 1.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/MBOX-inbox > > > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail > > > > > > 4.8G gene/.kde4/.kde/share/apps/kmail > > > > > > > > > > > > Over 10Gigs of data! And that whole tree's directories are dated > > > > > > July 14, and all the files in there are dated July 11, no new > > > > > > stuff. I don't use Kontact, which seems to be referenced in a > > > > > > kmainwin.rc file in that directory. I suspect this whole > > > > > > 10+gigabyte tree can be nuked. So... > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else have it, and is it being maintained according to > > > > > > the mod dates the files all carry? > > > > > > > > > > > > If it does have current dates, are you also using Kontact? > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not the mail I am reading as I understand that should all > > > > > > be stored in Mail/$foldername/cur. Or do I have a very gross > > > > > > miss-understanding of how kmail works? > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondarily; > > > > > > > > > > > > When kmail decides to rebuild its indices about 3 or 4 times a > > > > > > day, the whole machine gets laggy as one or another core of this > > > > > > 4 core phenom is tied up at 99% for an hour or more per instance. > > > > > > > > > > For starters I do not see anything near your listing (in size that > > > > > is, otherwise it matches apart from my listing being .kde, not > > > > > .kde4). And unless you have set up Kontact differently from > > > > > default, yes that is the structure for keeping mail. I would > > > > > certainly not nuke it until I had established where my mail > > > > > actually are kept. > > > > > > > > > > The second part I don't recognise at all but with the size of your > > > > > maildirs then maybe? > > > > > > > > > > Running Kontact on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1 and KMail then > > > > > 1.13.5 > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Sinclair > > > > > > > > I experimentally renamed one of the subdir's about 18 hours ago, and > > > > there have been no complaints, so I think I'll rename the root of > > > > that tree & if nothing complains, or regenerates it, about 11G's will > > > > get nuked. > > > > > > Huh, I don't have a .kde4 directory. Ric > > > > Tain't kubuntu, its pclos-2010.7. > > forgive me for assuming. Ric I assumed so also ...perhaps because of the name of this maillist. Perhaps we should change the name of the list to be more fitting to the subjects discussed? -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From chetan at khona.net Tue Oct 19 05:18:09 2010 From: chetan at khona.net (Chetan Khona) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:48:09 +0530 Subject: kppp & wvdial Message-ID: <4CBD2A11.4060307@khona.net> I have a USB modem. I am using Kubuntu 10.10. If I connect via wvdial, everything works OK. But if I connect via kppp, it shows it is connected. ifconfig shows proper ip details. knemo shows that it is connected via ppp0. But ping is not working and I am also not able to browse internet or send receive mails. Please guide me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Tue Oct 19 05:30:16 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 07:30:16 +0200 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010182104.27832.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010181914.07240.kassube@gmx.net> <201010182104.27832.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <201010190730.16484.kassube@gmx.net> gene heskett wrote: > On Monday, October 18, 2010 08:28:41 pm Nils Kassube did opine: > > OK, I don't know pclos and as this is the Kubuntu-users list I was > > (by mistake) expecting we were talking about Kubuntu. :) > Now, as far as not talking about kubuntu, I figure that the mailing > lists of those distro's that do support kde, are a heck of a lot > better source of information than the pclos forum, Sorry, I didn't want you to go away and discuss the issues somewhere else. I simply wanted to give an excuse for my failure to see that you were actually talking about another distro even though you mentioned it before in this thread, IIRC. Nils From gheskett at wdtv.com Tue Oct 19 05:56:37 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:56:37 -0400 Subject: kde4.5.2, kmail and very profligate use of drive space question In-Reply-To: <201010190730.16484.kassube@gmx.net> References: <201010151456.19721.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010182104.27832.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201010190730.16484.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <201010190156.37878.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 01:55:39 am Nils Kassube did opine: > gene heskett wrote: > > On Monday, October 18, 2010 08:28:41 pm Nils Kassube did opine: > > > OK, I don't know pclos and as this is the Kubuntu-users list I was > > > (by mistake) expecting we were talking about Kubuntu. :) > > > > Now, as far as not talking about kubuntu, I figure that the mailing > > lists of those distro's that do support kde, are a heck of a lot > > better source of information than the pclos forum, > > Sorry, I didn't want you to go away and discuss the issues somewhere > else. I simply wanted to give an excuse for my failure to see that you > were actually talking about another distro even though you mentioned it > before in this thread, IIRC. > > > Nils NP at all Nils, thanks. And, thanks for snipping. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Retirement means that when someone says "Have a nice day", you actually have a shot at it. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 06:40:34 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:40:34 +0200 Subject: kppp & wvdial In-Reply-To: <4CBD2A11.4060307@khona.net> References: <4CBD2A11.4060307@khona.net> Message-ID: <4CBD3D62.70801@gmail.com> On 19/10/2010 07:18, Chetan Khona wrote: > I have a USB modem. I am using Kubuntu 10.10. > > If I connect via wvdial, everything works OK. > > But if I connect via kppp, it shows it is connected. ifconfig shows > proper ip details. knemo shows that it is connected via ppp0. > > But ping is not working and I am also not able to browse internet or > send receive mails. > > Please guide me. > I have a feeling that KPPP is "abandonware" these days. I used it for a usb-modem in 9.10 with success. In 10.04 the modem did not work at all, some kind of kernel issue. In 10.10 it works fine again but only with wvdial. KPPP can not see the port /dev/ttyUSB0, have no idea why have you tried using networkmanager? It works for one of my modems (CDMA) but not another that is GSM. kind regards, Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 12:46:39 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:46:39 +0200 Subject: kdialog Message-ID: <4CBD932F.3010406@gmail.com> Has anyone tampered with kdialog-scripts? I would basically like to create a menu where I choose from 2 options, both starting the command "sudo wvdial x" where x differs depending om modem. Can not find much on Kdialog on net and there is no man page in my Kubuntu at least Kindly Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 13:21:48 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:21:48 +0200 Subject: kppp & wvdial In-Reply-To: <4CBD2A11.4060307@khona.net> References: <4CBD2A11.4060307@khona.net> Message-ID: <4CBD9B6C.9050909@gmail.com> On 19/10/2010 07:18, Chetan Khona wrote: > I have a USB modem. I am using Kubuntu 10.10. > > If I connect via wvdial, everything works OK. > > But if I connect via kppp, it shows it is connected. ifconfig shows > proper ip details. knemo shows that it is connected via ppp0. > > But ping is not working and I am also not able to browse internet or > send receive mails. > > Please guide me. > you could try sakis3G unless it is a CDMA modem: www.sakis3G.org From rrumberger at web.de Tue Oct 19 13:43:26 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:43:26 +0200 Subject: kdialog In-Reply-To: <4CBD932F.3010406@gmail.com> References: <4CBD932F.3010406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010191543.50612.rrumberger@web.de> On Tuesday 19 October 2010, O. Sinclair wrote: > Has anyone tampered with kdialog-scripts? I would basically like > to create a menu where I choose from 2 options, both starting the > command "sudo wvdial x" where x differs depending om modem. > > Can not find much on Kdialog on net and there is no man page in my > Kubuntu at least For me, executing "kdialog" from within Konsole returns enough usage info to actually use it... --Reinhold From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 13:51:27 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:51:27 +0200 Subject: kdialog In-Reply-To: <201010191543.50612.rrumberger@web.de> References: <4CBD932F.3010406@gmail.com> <201010191543.50612.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <4CBDA25F.5050305@gmail.com> On 19/10/2010 15:43, Reinhold Rumberger wrote: > On Tuesday 19 October 2010, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Has anyone tampered with kdialog-scripts? I would basically like >> to create a menu where I choose from 2 options, both starting the >> command "sudo wvdial x" where x differs depending om modem. >> >> Can not find much on Kdialog on net and there is no man page in my >> Kubuntu at least > > For me, executing "kdialog" from within Konsole returns enough usage > info to actually use it... > > --Reinhold > just too simple for me to even consider it... for sure a lot comes up /Sinclair From rrumberger at web.de Tue Oct 19 14:42:36 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:42:36 +0200 Subject: kdialog In-Reply-To: <4CBDA25F.5050305@gmail.com> References: <4CBD932F.3010406@gmail.com> <201010191543.50612.rrumberger@web.de> <4CBDA25F.5050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010191642.37299.rrumberger@web.de> On Tuesday 19 October 2010, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 19/10/2010 15:43, Reinhold Rumberger wrote: > > On Tuesday 19 October 2010, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Has anyone tampered with kdialog-scripts? I would basically > >> like to create a menu where I choose from 2 options, both > >> starting the command "sudo wvdial x" where x differs depending > >> om modem. > >> > >> Can not find much on Kdialog on net and there is no man page in > >> my Kubuntu at least > > > > For me, executing "kdialog" from within Konsole returns enough > > usage info to actually use it... > > just too simple for me to even consider it... for sure a lot comes > up I know what you mean - the last couple of years, whenever I had to use kdialog I searched about 15 to 30 minutes for some documentation until I remembered this. They really should make a man page saying "just execute kdialog..." :-P --Reinhold From helder.earth at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 15:56:50 2010 From: helder.earth at gmail.com (Helder Terra) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:56:50 -0200 Subject: Inkscape crashing in Kubuntu Maverick Message-ID: <002f01cb6fa6$40d953f0$4101a8c0@R161> Since I've installed 10.10 Kubuntu, I've got a bug on Inkscape vector draw. It crashes as soon as I hit the document properties icon. Now, searching for a solution, I came upon a list that discusses the problem and gives possible solutions. One of them was to change the icon set of applications from Oxygen to Gnome, but I like the looks of my Kubuntu the way it is. Still researching for a solution, I read in a list the following action: "If I symlink document-properties.png (of oxygem-icon-theme) to gtk-properties.png, inkscape also stops crashing. Using qtcurve and oxygen iconset." The problem is I don't have any idea of how to do it, so if anyone here had the same issue, or know what that solution is, I sincerely ask for help. Below is the link to the list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inkscape/+bug/658055 Thanks Helder Terra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluca1978 at infinito.it Tue Oct 19 16:02:52 2010 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:02:52 +0200 Subject: configuring huawei e1550 Message-ID: <201010191802.52952.fluca1978@infinito.it> Hi all, I'm trying to configure my internet broadband key E1550 (the provider is 3) for internet access on my kubuntu 10.10, but I cannot set up it on my laptop neither on my netbook. I know the phone number to call, I know the access point (datacard.tre.it) but I cannot see knetworkmanager working. I know someone is able to run it thru kppp, that is fine for me, but I don't know how to configure it since I don't see any place where I have to insert the access point. Moreover, the program keeps saying that it is calling *99# (the provider number). Any clue? Thanks, Luca From bqz69 at telia.com Tue Oct 19 16:34:11 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: How to get rid of a Semantic Data Storage alert Message-ID: I am using ubuntu 10.10 and kde 4.5.1 I have removed all virtuoso packages, as it seemed to slow my computer down. Now I get a "Semantic Data Storage" alert each time I boot into 10.10. How do I get rid of that. From lorenzo.bettini at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 16:37:05 2010 From: lorenzo.bettini at gmail.com (Lorenzo Bettini) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:37:05 +0200 Subject: using gnome-keyring in KDE Message-ID: Hi I'd like to try and use gnome-keyring in kde so that kde remembers ssh passwords (it wouldn't work with kwallet and ksshaskpass works only for ssh sessions based on keys)... any help please? running gnome-keyring-daemon in a kde terminal does not help... or any other solution to make kde cache ssh passwords? many thanks in advance Lorenzo -- Lorenzo Bettini, PhD in Computer Science, DI, Univ. Torino HOME: http://www.lorenzobettini.it MUSIC: http://www.purplesucker.com BLOGS: http://tronprog.blogspot.com http://longlivemusic.blogspot.com From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 18:28:17 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:28:17 +0200 Subject: configuring huawei e1550 In-Reply-To: <201010191802.52952.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <201010191802.52952.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <4CBDE341.9070806@gmail.com> On 19/10/2010 18:02, Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi all, > I'm trying to configure my internet broadband key E1550 (the provider is 3) for > internet access on my kubuntu 10.10, but I cannot set up it on my laptop > neither on my netbook. I know the phone number to call, I know the access > point (datacard.tre.it) but I cannot see knetworkmanager working. I know > someone is able to run it thru kppp, that is fine for me, but I don't know how > to configure it since I don't see any place where I have to insert the access > point. Moreover, the program keeps saying that it is calling *99# (the > provider number). > Any clue? > Last time I got KPPP working proper was in 9.10 and then I did as below: Step 1, it seems removing PIN on the sim card is a good idea as I only > got it working after doing so > > Step 2, after inserting the usb modem it comes up as a storage device. > "Eject" it If that does not work install package usb-modeswitch that should "flip" the usb modem from disk to modem > > Step 3: check from shell via "dmesg" what /dev/whatever the modem gets. > Mine got /dev/ttyUSB0 > > Step 4: I suspect wvdial will work just fine but I chose to use KPPP > > create an account called 3 (example...) and set number to dial to > what 3 says - *99# is most common but you can try *99***1# also > create a modem called 3G, set it to use /dev/ttyUSB0 (in my case) and > then press "query modem" > you should get some response > go into "modem commands" where you should now have commands predefined > set "initialization string 2" to "AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","the apn of your provider"" > > save and then try to connect If that does not work either try wvdial, run sudo wvdialconfig from konsole and then change the file /etc/wvdial.conf to something like: [Dialer Default] Init1 = ATZ Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 Init3 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","apn of 3" Modem Type = Analog Modem ISDN = 0 New PPPD = yes Phone = *99# Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0 Username = * Password = * Baud = 460800 then from konsole run "sudo wvdial" to connect. Or try the Sakis3g script from www.sakis3g.org for a less "commandmode" more gui approach good luck Sinclair From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 20:10:41 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:10:41 +0200 Subject: using gnome-keyring in KDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010192210.42967.valtermura@gmail.com> In data martedì 19 ottobre 2010 18:37:05, Lorenzo Bettini ha scritto: > Hi > > I'd like to try and use gnome-keyring in kde so that kde remembers ssh > passwords (it wouldn't work with kwallet and ksshaskpass works only for > ssh sessions based on keys)... > > any help please? > > running gnome-keyring-daemon in a kde terminal does not help... > > or any other solution to make kde cache ssh passwords? have you tried sshmenu? -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From lorenzo.bettini at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 20:48:31 2010 From: lorenzo.bettini at gmail.com (Lorenzo Bettini) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:48:31 +0200 Subject: using gnome-keyring in KDE In-Reply-To: <201010192210.42967.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <201010192210.42967.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/19/2010 10:10 PM, Valter Mura wrote: > In data martedì 19 ottobre 2010 18:37:05, Lorenzo Bettini ha scritto: > >> Hi >> >> I'd like to try and use gnome-keyring in kde so that kde remembers ssh >> passwords (it wouldn't work with kwallet and ksshaskpass works only for >> ssh sessions based on keys)... >> >> any help please? >> >> running gnome-keyring-daemon in a kde terminal does not help... >> >> or any other solution to make kde cache ssh passwords? > > have you tried sshmenu? > No I haven't (and did not know about that) but from what I read from the web page it wouldn't fit my needs... with that menu I could open a new ssh terminal... I need something that when I open an ssh connection from an existing terminal or program (e.g., unison or git) a dialog comes up asking for the password and then stores it (at least for that session)... in gnome you have something like that (based on gnome-keyring I guess), in kde you don't... thanks Lorenzo -- Lorenzo Bettini, PhD in Computer Science, DI, Univ. Torino HOME: http://www.lorenzobettini.it MUSIC: http://www.purplesucker.com BLOGS: http://tronprog.blogspot.com http://longlivemusic.blogspot.com From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Tue Oct 19 21:19:52 2010 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Display problem with Kubuntu 10.10 Message-ID: <289579560.45565.1287523192424.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I have Thinkpad T400 with Intel graphics running kde4.5.2 and kubuntu 10.10 with an external monitor attached. When the external monitor is attached, I have a single desktop spanning both monitors. I can also run scripts to turn on and off the signal to the external monitor so that when it is off all Desktop contents condense to the single internal laptop monitor...So far so good. However, when I boot the computer without the external monitor attached the desktop is unusable. The monitor shows the folderview activity that is normally displayed on the external monitor, none of the vertical panels and no open applications. When I open apps, a task manager on a horizontal panel shows that the apps are open, but they are never visible on the screen. If I attempt to add a panel, it displays for a few seconds and then disappears, probably to the same place the open apps live (if I then reboot with the external monitor the newly added panel appears on laptop monitor). KDM however displays the login dialog correctly without an external monitor. The only way I've found to resolve the situation is to delete ~/.kde each time I login without the external monitor. In other words, I can configure the computer to display properly either with an external monitor or without an external monitor, but not for both situations. BIG PROBLEM! I've never seen this behavior with the same hardware through kubuntu 10.04 and kde4.5.1. I'm guessing there's something funky with X in 10.10 but I have no idea what the problem is or how to configure my way out of the problem. Has anyone seen anything like this? Any suggestions? Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From azlannd at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 04:42:12 2010 From: azlannd at gmail.com (azlan mazlan) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:42:12 +0800 Subject: Display problem with Kubuntu 10.10 In-Reply-To: <289579560.45565.1287523192424.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <289579560.45565.1287523192424.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: well... most of ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu n xubuntu architecture supports amd n ati chipsets.. if u are using intel, then u will be facing some problems.. from my experience from using ubuntu, i had never came across problem when i use ati graphics, but after i changed to nvidia graphic card, there's no driver supported for ubuntu, which i've mention earlier that if u use amd & ati, u'll not be facing any problems. If u notice on the d/l site, theres only amd 86_64 bit architecture to download ( if ure trying to install ubuntu 64 bit on ur machine ). i did search n read about amd 64 bit architecture n yes intel does use the same architecture as amd 64 bit architecture, so by right there should be no problem when u are going to install on an intel platform. But what do i get when i finished installing ubuntu on my intel platform is 'just a blank n black screen'. so the point is i'm having problems too running ubuntu 10.10 on my intel platform. i guess intel doesn't have much support on ubuntu rather than suse, redhat etc. I can agree with u that theres something funky about X in 10.10 release. :) On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:19 AM, wrote: > I have Thinkpad T400 with Intel graphics running kde4.5.2 and kubuntu 10.10 > with an external monitor attached. When the external monitor is attached, I > have a single desktop spanning both monitors. I can also run scripts to > turn on and off the signal to the external monitor so that when it is off > all Desktop contents condense to the single internal laptop monitor...So far > so good. > > However, when I boot the computer without the external monitor attached the > desktop is unusable. The monitor shows the folderview activity that is > normally displayed on the external monitor, none of the vertical panels and > no open applications. When I open apps, a task manager on a horizontal > panel shows that the apps are open, but they are never visible on the > screen. If I attempt to add a panel, it displays for a few seconds and then > disappears, probably to the same place the open apps live (if I then reboot > with the external monitor the newly added panel appears on laptop monitor). > KDM however displays the login dialog correctly without an external > monitor. > > The only way I've found to resolve the situation is to delete ~/.kde each > time I login without the external monitor. In other words, I can configure > the computer to display properly either with an external monitor or without > an external monitor, but not for both situations. BIG PROBLEM! > > I've never seen this behavior with the same hardware through kubuntu 10.04 > and kde4.5.1. I'm guessing there's something funky with X in 10.10 but I > have no idea what the problem is or how to configure my way out of the > problem. > > Has anyone seen anything like this? 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Gezza From chetan at khona.net Wed Oct 20 08:41:43 2010 From: chetan at khona.net (Chetan Khona) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:11:43 +0530 Subject: kppp & wvdial In-Reply-To: <4CBD2A11.4060307@khona.net> References: <4CBD2A11.4060307@khona.net> Message-ID: <4CBEAB47.3080802@khona.net> Thanks Sinclair. It is working with knetworkmanager. And its quite simple than kppp. Thanks. Chetan On 10/19/2010 10:48 AM, Chetan Khona wrote: > I have a USB modem. I am using Kubuntu 10.10. > > If I connect via wvdial, everything works OK. > > But if I connect via kppp, it shows it is connected. ifconfig shows > proper ip details. knemo shows that it is connected via ppp0. > > But ping is not working and I am also not able to browse internet or > send receive mails. > > Please guide me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sinclair's cat walking on the keyboard wrote: > > Step 4: I suspect wvdial will work just fine but I chose to use KPPP > > > > create an account called 3 (example...) and set number to dial to > > what 3 says - *99# is most common but you can try *99***1# also > > create a modem called 3G, set it to use /dev/ttyUSB0 (in my case) and > > then press "query modem" > > you should get some response > > go into "modem commands" where you should now have commands predefined > > set "initialization string 2" to "AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","the apn of your > > provider"" > > > save and then try to connect Thanks, I tried but the modem reports an error: in the kpp log console I see ATZ OK AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","datacard.tre.it" ERROR and it retries again with the same result. I'm trying wvdial right now, but since it is my wife laptop, I'd like to have a more graphical interface.... Luca From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 10:32:53 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:32:53 +0200 Subject: configuring huawei e1550 In-Reply-To: <201010201223.28596.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <201010191802.52952.fluca1978@infinito.it> <4CBDE341.9070806@gmail.com> <201010201223.28596.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <4CBEC555.6020306@gmail.com> On 20/10/2010 12:23, Luca Ferrari wrote: > On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 08:28:17 pm O. Sinclair's cat walking on the > keyboard wrote: >> > Step 4: I suspect wvdial will work just fine but I chose to use KPPP >> > >> > create an account called 3 (example...) and set number to dial to >> > what 3 says - *99# is most common but you can try *99***1# also >> > create a modem called 3G, set it to use /dev/ttyUSB0 (in my case) and >> > then press "query modem" >> > you should get some response >> > go into "modem commands" where you should now have commands predefined >> > set "initialization string 2" to "AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","the apn of your >> >> provider"" >> >> > save and then try to connect > > > Thanks, I tried but the modem reports an error: in the kpp log console I see > ATZ > OK > AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","datacard.tre.it" > ERROR > > and it retries again with the same result. > > I'm trying wvdial right now, but since it is my wife laptop, I'd like to have > a more graphical interface.... > > Luca > Then I would try the Sakis3G - it is "sort of gui" in that it uses KDialog Good luck sinclair From fluca1978 at infinito.it Wed Oct 20 10:42:49 2010 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:42:49 +0200 Subject: configuring huawei e1550 In-Reply-To: <4CBDE341.9070806@gmail.com> References: <201010191802.52952.fluca1978@infinito.it> <4CBDE341.9070806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010201242.49835.fluca1978@infinito.it> On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 08:28:17 pm O. Sinclair's cat walking on the keyboard wrote: > If that does not work either try wvdial, run sudo wvdialconfig from > konsole and then change the file /etc/wvdial.conf to something like: > [Dialer Default] > Init1 = ATZ > Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 > Init3 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","apn of 3" > Modem Type = Analog Modem > ISDN = 0 > New PPPD = yes > Phone = *99# > Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0 > Username = * > Password = * > Baud = 460800 > > then from konsole run "sudo wvdial" to connect. I got a "bad init string" for the ini3 string, I checked and it is spell correctly. The wvdial returns an error saying that such string is bad and it cannot get information for serial port. Luca From myriam at kubuntu.org Wed Oct 20 11:55:26 2010 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:55:26 +0200 Subject: using gnome-keyring in KDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 18:37, Lorenzo Bettini wrote: > Hi > > I'd like to try and use gnome-keyring in kde so that kde remembers ssh > passwords (it wouldn't work with kwallet and ksshaskpass works only for > ssh sessions based on keys)... > > any help please? > > running gnome-keyring-daemon in a kde terminal does not help... > > or any other solution to make kde cache ssh passwords? you need to install ksshaskpass, which supports also KWallets, that should do the trick. At least it works fine for me, never had to enter my password again for the same host. Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From fluca1978 at infinito.it Wed Oct 20 12:08:18 2010 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:08:18 +0200 Subject: audio problem in 10.10 Message-ID: <201010201408.18926.fluca1978@infinito.it> Hi, my audio was working in Kubuntu 10.04 on acer aspire 6935, but after the full upgrade to 10.10 my audio is no more working. The lshw shows that my audio card is: *-multimedia description: Audio device product: 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 1b bus info: pci at 0000:00:1b.0 version: 03 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=HDA Intel latency=0 and in the system settings talks of an internal audio analog device. Any idea? Thanks, Luca From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 12:33:02 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:33:02 +0200 Subject: configuring huawei e1550 In-Reply-To: <201010201242.49835.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <201010191802.52952.fluca1978@infinito.it> <4CBDE341.9070806@gmail.com> <201010201242.49835.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <4CBEE17E.30609@gmail.com> On 20/10/2010 12:42, Luca Ferrari wrote: > On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 08:28:17 pm O. Sinclair's cat walking on the > keyboard wrote: >> If that does not work either try wvdial, run sudo wvdialconfig from >> konsole and then change the file /etc/wvdial.conf to something like: >> [Dialer Default] >> Init1 = ATZ >> Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0&C1&D2 +FCLASS=0 >> Init3 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","apn of 3" >> Modem Type = Analog Modem >> ISDN = 0 >> New PPPD = yes >> Phone = *99# >> Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0 >> Username = * >> Password = * >> Baud = 460800 >> >> then from konsole run "sudo wvdial" to connect. > > > I got a "bad init string" for the ini3 string, I checked and it is spell > correctly. The wvdial returns an error saying that such string is bad and it > cannot get information for serial port. I assume you replace "apn of 3" with the apn you were given? Just to check Well it is a direct copy of my working wvdial.conf, minus the phone number that is different with my provider and the apn. when you insert the modem and in a konsole type "dmesg", do you see anything about a "gsm modem attached to /dev/ttyUSB0" or USB1 or USB2? If not your modem simply might not be recognised or not have "switched". Otherwise try with USB1 or USB2 instead of USB0, one specific modem nearly drove me mad before I figured out it uses /dev/ttyUSB1 and not USB0 Finally you can give Sagis3G a try, many have good experiences with it, including myself. At this moment it has replaced KPPP on a modem that in 9.10 worked with KPPP.... From pegasus at sc.rr.com Wed Oct 20 12:59:24 2010 From: pegasus at sc.rr.com (Bill Wright) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:59:24 -0400 Subject: audio problem in 10.10 In-Reply-To: <201010201408.18926.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <201010201408.18926.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <201010200859.24870.pegasus@sc.rr.com> On Wednesday, October 20, 2010 08:08:18 am Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi, > my audio was working in Kubuntu 10.04 on acer aspire 6935, but after the > full upgrade to 10.10 my audio is no more working. > The lshw shows that my audio card is: > *-multimedia > description: Audio device > product: 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller > vendor: Intel Corporation > physical id: 1b > bus info: pci at 0000:00:1b.0 > version: 03 > width: 64 bits > clock: 33MHz > capabilities: bus_master cap_list > configuration: driver=HDA Intel latency=0 > > and in the system settings talks of an internal audio analog device. Any > idea? > > Thanks, > Luca Be sure the MUTE icon is not checked From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Wed Oct 20 15:28:59 2010 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: audio problem in 10.10 References: <201010201408.18926.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:08:18 +0200, Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi, > my audio was working in Kubuntu 10.04 on acer aspire 6935, but after the > full upgrade to 10.10 my audio is no more working. The lshw shows that > my audio card is: *-multimedia > description: Audio device > product: 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller vendor: > Intel Corporation > physical id: 1b > bus info: pci at 0000:00:1b.0 > version: 03 > width: 64 bits > clock: 33MHz > capabilities: bus_master cap_list > configuration: driver=HDA Intel latency=0 > > and in the system settings talks of an internal audio analog device. Any > idea? > > Thanks, > Luca http://old.nabble.com/Pulseaudio-on-Maverick-10.10-tt29941617.html#a29942399 might help (installing pavucontrol). Good luck! -Frans From valtermura at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 16:16:47 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:16:47 +0200 Subject: audio problem in 10.10 In-Reply-To: <201010201408.18926.fluca1978@infinito.it> References: <201010201408.18926.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <201010201816.48402.valtermura@gmail.com> In data mercoledì 20 ottobre 2010 14:08:18, Luca Ferrari ha scritto: > Hi, > my audio was working in Kubuntu 10.04 on acer aspire 6935, but after the > full upgrade to 10.10 my audio is no more working. > The lshw shows that my audio card is: > *-multimedia > description: Audio device > product: 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller > vendor: Intel Corporation > physical id: 1b > bus info: pci at 0000:00:1b.0 > version: 03 > width: 64 bits > clock: 33MHz > capabilities: bus_master cap_list > configuration: driver=HDA Intel latency=0 > > and in the system settings talks of an internal audio analog device. Any > idea? Please look at this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2010-October/052491.html Ciao -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 20:28:22 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:28:22 -0600 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? Message-ID: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> I recently purchased a CD wanted to rip it to add to the collection on my hard drive. This is (I think) the first time I've tried to do this with lucid, but it worked fine in karmic. But when I open audiocd:/MP3, the virtual directory is blank. It seems that something in the upgrade from karmic to lucid must have disabled the capability to grab tracks from this virtual directory and copy them to the hard drive. What do I need to do to re-enable this feature? I looked in System Settings | Advanced | Audio CDs | MP3 Encoder and everything looks right... but I expect that that simply makes sure that the actual MP3 encoding is performed correctly, which is a different issue from displaying the contents of the audiocd:/MP3 virtual directory. I don't see where to control the latter. FWIW, the audiocd:/Ogg Vorbis directory is also blank. Doc PS The karmic -> lucid update was done several months ago, using the usual online upgrade path. -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rrumberger at web.de Wed Oct 20 21:01:51 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 23:01:51 +0200 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> References: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010202301.52385.rrumberger@web.de> On Wednesday 20 October 2010, D. R. Evans wrote: > I recently purchased a CD wanted to rip it to add to the > collection on my hard drive. > > This is (I think) the first time I've tried to do this with lucid, > but it worked fine in karmic. > > But when I open audiocd:/MP3, the virtual directory is blank. It > seems that something in the upgrade from karmic to lucid must > have disabled the capability to grab tracks from this virtual > directory and copy them to the hard drive. > > What do I need to do to re-enable this feature? I looked in System > Settings > > | Advanced | Audio CDs | MP3 Encoder and everything looks right... > | but I > > expect that that simply makes sure that the actual MP3 encoding is > performed correctly, which is a different issue from displaying > the contents of the audiocd:/MP3 virtual directory. I don't see > where to control the latter. > > FWIW, the audiocd:/Ogg Vorbis directory is also blank. > > Doc > > PS The karmic -> lucid update was done several months ago, using > the usual online upgrade path. Did you remember to install lame, etc.? That's the most common problem which results in this behaviour. --Reinhold From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 21:34:10 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:34:10 -0600 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <201010202301.52385.rrumberger@web.de> References: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> <201010202301.52385.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <4CBF6052.3080209@gmail.com> Reinhold Rumberger said the following at 10/20/2010 03:01 PM : > Did you remember to install lame, etc.? That's the most common > problem which results in this behaviour. Really? Are you sure? I don't see why lame would be needed to descend into the Ogg Vorbis virtual directory. I was thinking that the behaviour was probably something to do with kio slaves, although I freely admit that I really have no clue how this stuff works under the covers. Anyway, to answer your question: yes, lame is installed. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 21:41:15 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:41:15 -0600 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> References: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CBF61FB.9070801@gmail.com> D. R. Evans said the following at 10/20/2010 02:28 PM : > > But when I open audiocd:/MP3, the virtual directory is blank. It seems that > something in the upgrade from karmic to lucid must have disabled the > capability to grab tracks from this virtual directory and copy them to the > hard drive. > > What do I need to do to re-enable this feature? I looked in System Settings > | Advanced | Audio CDs | MP3 Encoder and everything looks right... but I > expect that that simply makes sure that the actual MP3 encoding is > performed correctly, which is a different issue from displaying the > contents of the audiocd:/MP3 virtual directory. I don't see where to > control the latter. > > FWIW, the audiocd:/Ogg Vorbis directory is also blank. > More info: The directories look like this: CDA (empty) FLAC (empty) Full CD (5 files, all with reasonable lengths, representing the complete disc in five different formats) Information (gives "The process for the audiocd protocol died unexpectedly" when clicked) MP3 (empty) Ogg Vorbis (empty) Maybe there are some additional clues there. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rrumberger at web.de Wed Oct 20 21:55:09 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 23:55:09 +0200 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <4CBF61FB.9070801@gmail.com> References: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> <4CBF61FB.9070801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010202355.10048.rrumberger@web.de> On Wednesday 20 October 2010, D. R. Evans wrote: > D. R. Evans said the following at 10/20/2010 02:28 PM : > > But when I open audiocd:/MP3, the virtual directory is blank. It > > seems that something in the upgrade from karmic to lucid must > > have disabled the capability to grab tracks from this virtual > > directory and copy them to the hard drive. > > > > What do I need to do to re-enable this feature? I looked in > > System Settings > > > > | Advanced | Audio CDs | MP3 Encoder and everything looks > > | right... but I > > > > expect that that simply makes sure that the actual MP3 encoding > > is performed correctly, which is a different issue from > > displaying the contents of the audiocd:/MP3 virtual directory. > > I don't see where to control the latter. > > > > FWIW, the audiocd:/Ogg Vorbis directory is also blank. > > More info: > Information (gives "The process for the audiocd protocol died > unexpectedly" when clicked) Well, this means it can't open the CD for some reason - kinda giving you a hint why the virtual directories might be empty... --Reinhold From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 22:33:35 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:33:35 -0600 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <201010202355.10048.rrumberger@web.de> References: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> <4CBF61FB.9070801@gmail.com> <201010202355.10048.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <4CBF6E3F.8030805@gmail.com> Reinhold Rumberger said the following at 10/20/2010 03:55 PM : > >> Information (gives "The process for the audiocd protocol died >> unexpectedly" when clicked) > > Well, this means it can't open the CD for some reason - kinda giving > you a hint why the virtual directories might be empty... If it can't open the CD, how can the "Full CD" directory be properly populated? Sorry; I don't mean to be more than usually dense, but I just don't see how the conclusion follows from the observed behaviour. Isn't opening the CD a prerequisite for obtaining any information at all off the disc, just as it would be for any "normal" filesystem hierarchy? Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rrumberger at web.de Wed Oct 20 23:11:19 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:11:19 +0200 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <4CBF6E3F.8030805@gmail.com> References: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> <201010202355.10048.rrumberger@web.de> <4CBF6E3F.8030805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010210111.19815.rrumberger@web.de> On Thursday 21 October 2010, D. R. Evans wrote: > Reinhold Rumberger said the following at 10/20/2010 03:55 PM : > >> Information (gives "The process for the audiocd protocol died > >> > >> unexpectedly" when clicked) > > > > Well, this means it can't open the CD for some reason - kinda > > giving you a hint why the virtual directories might be empty... > > If it can't open the CD, how can the "Full CD" directory be > properly populated? Have you tried actually copying some of the contents of the directory? Also, do the contents have proper names (assuming CDDB info could be fetched)? If they're simply called "CD1.iso" or something similar (whatever the english default is), all the information can be gained without accessing the CD once. > Sorry; I don't mean to be more than usually dense, but I just > don't see how the conclusion follows from the observed behaviour. > Isn't opening the CD a prerequisite for obtaining any information > at all off the disc, just as it would be for any "normal" > filesystem hierarchy? Sure - and it works fine here, lucid and latest available KDE from PPA. I'm just not convinced that any of the information gained couldn't have been gotten through the normal filesystem channels. It's only the audiocd-kioslave that died, after all, meaning the contents of the CD can't be read by KDE. It doesn't mean the CD can't be read or accessed any other way - it just means some problem either caused the kioslave to crash or hang so the communication probably timed out. To get some clue as to what is goning on, open a konsole, maximise it and execute "tail -f ~/.xsession-errors". Watch the output as you try to open the CD, it might contain a clue as to what is going wrong. Also, you may want to use some non-KDE app to read the CD, just to see whether there is a problem accessing the CD. Also, you are in the cdrom group, aren't you? --Reinhold From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 23:16:00 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:16:00 -0600 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <4CBF61FB.9070801@gmail.com> References: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> <4CBF61FB.9070801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CBF7830.4010303@gmail.com> D. R. Evans said the following at 10/20/2010 03:41 PM : > Full CD (5 files, all with reasonable lengths, representing the complete > disc in five different formats) FWIW, I can copy the .../Full CD/Full CD.mp3 file just fine. Of course, the resulting file contains all the tracks in a single mp3 file. So what isn't working seems to be something to do with whatever it is in KDE that knows about individual CD tracks. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rrumberger at web.de Wed Oct 20 23:36:12 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:36:12 +0200 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <4CBF7830.4010303@gmail.com> References: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> <4CBF61FB.9070801@gmail.com> <4CBF7830.4010303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010210136.13157.rrumberger@web.de> On Thursday 21 October 2010, D. R. Evans wrote: > D. R. Evans said the following at 10/20/2010 03:41 PM : > > Full CD (5 files, all with reasonable lengths, representing > > the complete > > > > disc in five different formats) > > FWIW, I can copy the .../Full CD/Full CD.mp3 file just fine. Of > course, the resulting file contains all the tracks in a single > mp3 file. > > So what isn't working seems to be something to do with whatever it > is in KDE that knows about individual CD tracks. That seems to confirm my suspicions - the kioslave is either dying or timing out. KDE uses lame to do the actual copying but its kioslave to determine the info on the CD. As lame can obviously access the CD, you likely just found a bug in the audiocd kioslave. --Reinhold From gkourtev at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 07:36:26 2010 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:36:26 +0300 Subject: No sound in browsers, other sound are fine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010211036.27115.gkourtev@gmail.com> On Friday 15 October 2010 23:49:34 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Dear all, > > After upgrading to 10.10 I lost sound in browsers (Firefox, Konqueror). > All other sound work fine (system ones, Amarok, video etc). Any ideas how > to fix this? Could not find any meaningful solution over the internet. > > Runing 10.10, KDE 4.5.2, Flash plug-in installed. > > Thanks. > gk Still no solution found. After experimenting a bit, I found out that I can play within the Firefox videos from .ogg type (like the ones in Wikipedia for example). Still if I play Youtube files -- no sound. Any ideas? gk From lorenzo.bettini at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 11:08:35 2010 From: lorenzo.bettini at gmail.com (Lorenzo Bettini) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:08:35 +0200 Subject: using gnome-keyring in KDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/20/2010 01:55 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 18:37, Lorenzo Bettini > wrote: >> Hi >> >> I'd like to try and use gnome-keyring in kde so that kde remembers ssh >> passwords (it wouldn't work with kwallet and ksshaskpass works only for >> ssh sessions based on keys)... >> >> any help please? >> >> running gnome-keyring-daemon in a kde terminal does not help... >> >> or any other solution to make kde cache ssh passwords? > > you need to install ksshaskpass, which supports also KWallets, that > should do the trick. At least it works fine for me, never had to enter > my password again for the same host. > Myriam, as I said in my original post, I need something which stores my ssh password: ksshaskpass stores only my ssh passphrase for key based sessions, while I also need something for ssh sessions which are not based on keys but on passwords... cheers Lorenzo -- Lorenzo Bettini, PhD in Computer Science, DI, Univ. Torino HOME: http://www.lorenzobettini.it MUSIC: http://www.purplesucker.com BLOGS: http://tronprog.blogspot.com http://longlivemusic.blogspot.com From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Thu Oct 21 15:24:38 2010 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Wootton) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:24:38 +0100 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CC05B36.7050906@btinternet.com> On 21/10/10 12:08, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > On Thursday 21 October 2010, D. R. Evans wrote: > >> > D. R. Evans said the following at 10/20/2010 03:41 PM : >> >>> > > Full CD (5 files, all with reasonable lengths, representing >>> > > the complete >>> > > >>> > > disc in five different formats) >>> >> > >> > FWIW, I can copy the .../Full CD/Full CD.mp3 file just fine. Of >> > course, the resulting file contains all the tracks in a single >> > mp3 file. >> > >> > So what isn't working seems to be something to do with whatever it >> > is in KDE that knows about individual CD tracks. >> > That seems to confirm my suspicions - the kioslave is either dying or > timing out. KDE uses lame to do the actual copying but its kioslave > to determine the info on the CD. As lame can obviously access the CD, > you likely just found a bug in the audiocd kioslave. > > --Reinhold > > > I don't know whether my problem is related or not. I have many .mp3 files on my HD, ripped from CDs using Karmic and previous kubuntu versions. now got kubuntu 10.04.1 I attempted, using K3b to produce an audio cd from an mp3 directory, it seemed to succeed, having burnt it though, the automounter found it OK but it refused to play with Amarok or any other audio player(VCH et al). And all the directories on the disk were empty except for fullcd as mentioned above. So being stupid I burnt a data disk with the mp3 directory using K3b - seemed to work OK. But the auto mounter refused to notice this disk at all. Just to confuse the issue still further the mp3 files on the data disk played perfectly on my win 7 machine - and the audio CD wouldn't show up anywhere in win 7. I reckon the developers have been copyrighted into limbo and been forced to b&*($r up a perfectly good audio/video set up and leave us in kubuntu linux with this mess. brian From rrumberger at web.de Thu Oct 21 16:19:16 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:19:16 +0200 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <4CC05B36.7050906@btinternet.com> References: <4CC05B36.7050906@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <201010211819.23563.rrumberger@web.de> On Thursday 21 October 2010, Brian Wootton wrote: > On 21/10/10 12:08, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > > That seems to confirm my suspicions - the kioslave is either > > dying or timing out. KDE uses lame to do the actual copying but > > its kioslave to determine the info on the CD. As lame can > > obviously access the CD, you likely just found a bug in the > > audiocd kioslave. > > I don't know whether my problem is related or not. I have > many .mp3 files on my HD, ripped from CDs using Karmic > and previous kubuntu versions. now got kubuntu 10.04.1 > I attempted, using K3b to produce an audio cd from an > mp3 directory, it seemed to succeed, having burnt it though, > the automounter found it OK but it refused to play with Amarok > or any other audio player(VCH et al). And all the directories on > the disk were empty except for fullcd as mentioned above. > So being stupid I burnt a data disk with the mp3 directory using > K3b - seemed to work OK. But the auto mounter refused to notice > this disk at all. > Just to confuse the issue still further the mp3 files on the > data disk played perfectly on my win 7 machine - and the audio CD > wouldn't show up anywhere in win 7. > I reckon the developers have been copyrighted into limbo and been > forced to b&*($r up a perfectly good audio/video set up and leave > us in kubuntu linux with this mess. Just out of curiosity and because it worked for me: which version of KDE are you two using? I was using 4.5.1, had kubuntu-extras installed and the medibuntu repository enabled. --Reinhold From mdhirsch at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 16:20:33 2010 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:20:33 -0600 Subject: Inkscape crashing in Kubuntu Maverick In-Reply-To: <002f01cb6fa6$40d953f0$4101a8c0@R161> References: <002f01cb6fa6$40d953f0$4101a8c0@R161> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Helder Terra wrote: > Since I've installed 10.10 Kubuntu, I've got a bug on Inkscape vector draw. > It crashes as soon as I hit the document properties icon. > > Now, searching for a solution, I came upon a list that discusses the problem > and gives possible solutions. One of them was to change the icon set of > applications from Oxygen to Gnome, but I like the looks of my Kubuntu the > way it is. > > Still researching for a solution, I read in a list the following action: > > "If I symlink document-properties.png (of oxygem-icon-theme) to > gtk-properties.png, inkscape also stops crashing. > Using qtcurve and oxygen iconset." > > The problem is I don't have any idea of how to do it, so if anyone here had > the same issue, or know what that solution is, I sincerely ask for help. I _think_ what they are saying is that inkscape is looking for a file gtk-properties.png to display, and oxygen doesn't provide it. You need to fool inkscape. So, "locate document-properties.png" should fine if for you. I have some in gnome and in oxygen of various sizes: /usr/share/icons/gnome/16x16/actions/document-properties.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/22x22/actions/document-properties.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/24x24/actions/document-properties.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/32x32/actions/document-properties.png /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/document-properties.png /usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/actions/document-properties.png /usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/actions/document-properties.png /usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/actions/document-properties.png I think you can ignore the gnome ones. Now for each of the oxygen files, cd to the directory holding the file (e.g. /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/) and run ln -s document-properties.png gtk-properties.png After doing that for each of the oxygen icons, start inkscape and see if it still crashes. Hope that works! Michael From valtermura at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 21:49:35 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:49:35 +0200 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <4CC05B36.7050906@btinternet.com> References: <4CC05B36.7050906@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <201010212349.35910.valtermura@gmail.com> In data giovedì 21 ottobre 2010 17:24:38, Brian Wootton ha scritto: > > I don't know whether my problem is related or not. I have > many .mp3 files on my HD, ripped from CDs using Karmic > and previous kubuntu versions. now got kubuntu 10.04.1 > I attempted, using K3b to produce an audio cd from an > mp3 directory, it seemed to succeed, having burnt it though, > the automounter found it OK but it refused to play with Amarok > or any other audio player(VCH et al). And all the directories on > the disk were empty except for fullcd as mentioned above. > So being stupid I burnt a data disk with the mp3 directory using > K3b - seemed to work OK. But the auto mounter refused to notice > this disk at all. > Just to confuse the issue still further the mp3 files on the data disk > played perfectly on my win 7 machine - and the audio CD wouldn't > show up anywhere in win 7. > I reckon the developers have been copyrighted into limbo and been > forced to b&*($r up a perfectly good audio/video set up and leave us > in kubuntu linux with this mess. > brian Same problem. I have a ripped audio cd (in .wav) that I cannot open inside my "beautiful" KDE 4.5.2 / amarok 2.3.2 / Kscd / Kubuntu 10.10, BUT I can open inside Ubuntu 10.10 with no problems with Rythmbox. The device notifier detects the cd inside the device, but commands don't work. I've opened a bug in KDE. Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From valtermura at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 21:54:32 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:54:32 +0200 Subject: using gnome-keyring in KDE In-Reply-To: References: <201010192210.42967.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010212354.33294.valtermura@gmail.com> In data martedì 19 ottobre 2010 22:48:31, Lorenzo Bettini ha scritto: > On 10/19/2010 10:10 PM, Valter Mura wrote: > > In data martedì 19 ottobre 2010 18:37:05, Lorenzo Bettini ha scritto: > >> Hi > >> > >> I'd like to try and use gnome-keyring in kde so that kde remembers ssh > >> passwords (it wouldn't work with kwallet and ksshaskpass works only for > >> ssh sessions based on keys)... > >> > >> any help please? > >> > >> running gnome-keyring-daemon in a kde terminal does not help... > >> > >> or any other solution to make kde cache ssh passwords? > > > > have you tried sshmenu? > > No I haven't (and did not know about that) but from what I read from the > web page it wouldn't fit my needs... with that menu I could open a new > ssh terminal... I need something that when I open an ssh connection from > an existing terminal or program (e.g., unison or git) a dialog comes up > asking for the password and then stores it (at least for that session)... > > in gnome you have something like that (based on gnome-keyring I guess), > in kde you don't... Well you can have gnome-keyring installed inside Kde, this is not a problem... :-) BTW, you can try to ask on KDE forum, maybe they have/know some solution... Ciao -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From gheskett at wdtv.com Fri Oct 22 01:12:03 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:12:03 -0400 Subject: The dreaded nvidia drivers for late model cards Message-ID: <201010212112.03678.gheskett@wdtv.com> Howdy all; dkms fell over for me once I had gone beyond the 2.6.35.1-rc1 kernel, so I was stuck with the vesa driver & while it was stable, the eye candy doodads were on strike. Earlier today I had rebuilt a kernel.org 2.6.36 kernel 4 or 5 times, basically fixing up all the damages that moving my .config and .config.old in from 2.6.35.7 and doing a make oldconfig did. It switched my emu10k1 audio out for a non-existent intel-hd device, and switched my sata_nv out for a crapload of intel drivers that have never been in the same room with this ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe motherboard. Busted, and if I knew who was the maintainer, I'd beat him/her with a long wet noodle. I had DL'd the newest NVIDIA-version.run 3 or 4 days ago to see if I could cheat on dkms. Low, and behold even, their .run file is actually getting schmardter! It has grown an "--add-this-kernel" option, which causes it to rebuild the .run package as a custom.run that I was able to install, so now I have all those eye candy doodads back, and a lot less cpu load but I see I have to do one more rebuild, it apparently left out the atk-0110 sensor module too. I can hear someone hollering whoopee-ding. BFD. But it seems to work as advertised. NVIDIA is a bit less of a 4 letter word to me tonight. ;-) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) There are three kinds of people: men, women, and unix. From fluca1978 at infinito.it Fri Oct 22 06:37:09 2010 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:37:09 +0200 Subject: configuring huawei e1550 In-Reply-To: <4CBEE17E.30609@gmail.com> References: <201010191802.52952.fluca1978@infinito.it> <201010201242.49835.fluca1978@infinito.it> <4CBEE17E.30609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010220837.09347.fluca1978@infinito.it> On Wednesday, October 20, 2010 02:33:02 pm O. Sinclair's cat walking on the keyboard wrote: > > I assume you replace "apn of 3" with the apn you were given? Just to check Yes, datacard.tre.it > when you insert the modem and in a konsole type "dmesg", do you see > anything about a "gsm modem attached to /dev/ttyUSB0" or USB1 or USB2? > If not your modem simply might not be recognised or not have "switched". > Otherwise try with USB1 or USB2 instead of USB0, one specific modem > nearly drove me mad before I figured out it uses /dev/ttyUSB1 and not USB0 > It's attached to /dev/ttyUSB0, 1, 2 and I've tried all of them without any success. > Finally you can give Sagis3G a try, many have good experiences with it, > including myself. At this moment it has replaced KPPP on a modem that in > 9.10 worked with KPPP.... Ssakis is working, but I really like more kppp and I'd like to be able to configure kpp, so if you or anyone else have an idea about what I'm doing wrong I'll be really glad to know. Thanks, Luca From vigneshwaran2007 at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 13:43:20 2010 From: vigneshwaran2007 at gmail.com (Vigneshwaran Raveendran) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:13:20 +0530 Subject: No sound in browsers, other sound are fine In-Reply-To: <201010211036.27115.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <201010211036.27115.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > On Friday 15 October 2010 23:49:34 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > After upgrading to 10.10 I lost sound in browsers (Firefox, Konqueror). > > All other sound work fine (system ones, Amarok, video etc). Any ideas > how > > to fix this? Could not find any meaningful solution over the internet. > > > > Runing 10.10, KDE 4.5.2, Flash plug-in installed. > > > > Thanks. > > gk > > Still no solution found. After experimenting a bit, I found out that I > can > play within the Firefox videos from .ogg type (like the ones in Wikipedia > for > example). Still if I play Youtube files -- no sound. > > Any ideas? > gk > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I had this problem 6 months ago when I upgraded to 10.04.. After a while, it mysteriously worked fine. Google for "[k]ubuntu flash sound problems" or something like that.. You'll come across different types of fixes.. like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=255422 http://mylinuxnotebook.blogspot.com/2008/11/ubuntu-810-flash-sound-problem.html Also see if installing vlc and vlc mozilla plugin helps.. -- *Vigneshwaran* *http://www.vigneshwaranr.co.cc * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Fri Oct 22 18:58:38 2010 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Wootton) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:58:38 +0100 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CC1DEDE.6080600@btinternet.com> On 22/10/10 14:44, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > In data giovedì 21 ottobre 2010 17:24:38, Brian Wootton ha scritto: > > >> > >> > I don't know whether my problem is related or not. I have >> > many .mp3 files on my HD, ripped from CDs using Karmic >> > and previous kubuntu versions. now got kubuntu 10.04.1 >> > I attempted, using K3b to produce an audio cd from an >> > mp3 directory, it seemed to succeed, having burnt it though, >> > the automounter found it OK but it refused to play with Amarok >> > or any other audio player(VCH et al). And all the directories on >> > the disk were empty except for fullcd as mentioned above. >> > So being stupid I burnt a data disk with the mp3 directory using >> > K3b - seemed to work OK. But the auto mounter refused to notice >> > this disk at all. >> > Just to confuse the issue still further the mp3 files on the data disk >> > played perfectly on my win 7 machine - and the audio CD wouldn't >> > show up anywhere in win 7. >> > I reckon the developers have been copyrighted into limbo and been >> > forced to b&*($r up a perfectly good audio/video set up and leave us >> > in kubuntu linux with this mess. >> > brian >> > Same problem. > > I have a ripped audio cd (in .wav) that I cannot open inside my "beautiful" > KDE 4.5.2 / amarok 2.3.2 / Kscd / Kubuntu 10.10, BUT I can open inside Ubuntu > 10.10 with no problems with Rythmbox. > > The device notifier detects the cd inside the device, but commands don't work. > > I've opened a bug in KDE. > > Regards, > -- Valter And I've got KDE 4.4.2 brian From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 19:32:02 2010 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:32:02 +0200 Subject: Limited PDF preview in Dolphin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: File Size is over 100 mb. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On a particular Kubuntu 10.10 32 bit installation, the user has PDF > preview on some PDF files, but not on others. The > kdegraphics-strigi-plugins is installed. I have played with the > configured Image Preview file types to no avail (not that I expected > this to help after PDF was selected). The PDF files in question are a > mix of (according to the "file" command) PDF version 1.3 to PDF > version 1.6 and all versions have both previewing and nonpreviewing > files. > > Any ideas? Many of the files are ebooks with publishers rights, so I > can send them in private mail for purposes of testing, but I cannot > post them to the intercords at large. Thanks. > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://gibberish.co.il > http://what-is-what.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Douglas E Knapp Creative Commons Film Group, Helping people make open source movies with open source software! http://douglas.bespin.org/CommonsFilmGroup/phpBB3/index.php Massage in Gelsenkirchen-Buer: http://douglas.bespin.org/tcm/ztab1.htm Please link to me and trade links with me! Open Source Sci-Fi mmoRPG Game project. http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page http://code.google.com/p/perspectiveproject/ From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Oct 22 21:11:16 2010 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: KDE Plasma Desktop / Panel problem In-Reply-To: <2078156821.239009.1287781538300.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1647211411.239254.1287781876286.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I'm running KDE 4.5.2 on a cleanly installed Maverick system on a Thinkpad T400/Intel Graphics and an external monitor. I am finally able to describe more clearly a problem that has been plaguing me since switching from Lucid. The system is set up so that I have a large virtual desktop scanning both monitors. I use a bash script to have xrandr configure the external monitor to the right of the laptop monitor and set the laptop as the primary monitor. I like to keep different plasma panels on each monitor. In Maverick, when there is a panel on the external monitor, it causes all applications to disappear from the screen (They remain open as shown on a task manager or a console, just not visible). The desktop backgrounds, icons and widgets remain visible, just no applications. I've never had this problem with any earlier versions of KDE or X and as soon as I remove the panel from the external monitor (or place it on the primary), everything is fine. Has anyone else seen such behavior or can you identify a fix? BTW please don't mention a similar post last week as it was mine, but I didn't completely understand the problem then. Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(this is seriously a last resort) on a slightly different note, (i haven't spent as much time searching, but) how to i get the panel that shows opened programs to only show the programs opened on the current desktop? ie, i have six desktops and tons of programs open which makes seeing what's open on a particular desktop by using this panel near useless (i thought it was in 'behavior' back in the 2.x and 3.x days). thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 01:25:50 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:25:50 -0400 Subject: kde desktop real estate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1287797150.6627.450.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 17:53 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: > i've been trying to figure out for the past three days how to get this > bar at the top of my desktop to go away. today i realize that it isn't > a bar i'm looking at but that when i maximize an application, it > doesn't maximize all the way to the top of the screen. in fact, i can > manually resize applications to span over this "bar" however they > won't maximize there. where is the setting to fix this behavior? and > why isn't this better documented? (this is seriously a last resort) Just encountered the same thing on a fresh install, after we reduced the screen size. Evolution's window was larger than the desktop area and I couldn't get it to resize. Gotta be a way to easily do this, Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From rrumberger at web.de Sat Oct 23 01:42:40 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 03:42:40 +0200 Subject: kde desktop real estate In-Reply-To: <1287797150.6627.450.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1287797150.6627.450.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010230342.45168.rrumberger@web.de> On Saturday 23 October 2010, Ric Moore wrote: > On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 17:53 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: > > i've been trying to figure out for the past three days how to > > get this bar at the top of my desktop to go away. today i > > realize that it isn't a bar i'm looking at but that when i > > maximize an application, it doesn't maximize all the way to the > > top of the screen. in fact, i can manually resize applications > > to span over this "bar" however they won't maximize there. > > where is the setting to fix this behavior? and why isn't this > > better documented? (this is seriously a last resort) > > Just encountered the same thing on a fresh install, after we > reduced the screen size. Evolution's window was larger than the > desktop area and I couldn't get it to resize. Gotta be a way to > easily do this, Ric a) How's this the same thing? b.1) Drag with the left mouse button while holding down the Alt key. b.2) Select the application in the window list in the panel and select "maximise" b.3) Press Alt+F3 and select either move or maximise Now, surely you could have been expected to find at least *one* of those solutions... (Unmaximised windows may be dragged outside the area of the desktop, so this likely isn't even a proper bug!) --Reinhold From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 02:08:22 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:08:22 -0400 Subject: kde desktop real estate In-Reply-To: <201010230342.45168.rrumberger@web.de> References: <1287797150.6627.450.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010230342.45168.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <1287799702.6627.492.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 03:42 +0200, Reinhold Rumberger wrote: > On Saturday 23 October 2010, Ric Moore wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 17:53 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: > > > i've been trying to figure out for the past three days how to > > > get this bar at the top of my desktop to go away. today i > > > realize that it isn't a bar i'm looking at but that when i > > > maximize an application, it doesn't maximize all the way to the > > > top of the screen. in fact, i can manually resize applications > > > to span over this "bar" however they won't maximize there. > > > where is the setting to fix this behavior? and why isn't this > > > better documented? (this is seriously a last resort) > > > > Just encountered the same thing on a fresh install, after we > > reduced the screen size. Evolution's window was larger than the > > desktop area and I couldn't get it to resize. Gotta be a way to > > easily do this, Ric > > a) How's this the same thing? Well, number friggin' one, it sounded close to me, OK? > b.1) Drag with the left mouse button while holding down the Alt key. > b.2) Select the application in the window list in the panel and > select "maximise" > b.3) Press Alt+F3 and select either move or maximise > > Now, surely you could have been expected to find at least *one* of > those solutions... (Unmaximised windows may be dragged outside the > area of the desktop, so this likely isn't even a proper bug!) Not sure how all of the above was "obvious". To me, it's not, so I asked about my case, which appeared to be related. I appreciate the answer though. Thank you, Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From trym.side at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Oct 23 10:38:33 2010 From: trym.side at blueyonder.co.uk (Jim MacLeod) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:38:33 +0100 Subject: kde desktop real estate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010231138.33827.trym.side@blueyonder.co.uk> On Friday 22 October 2010 22:53:48 shawn wilson wrote: > > on a slightly different note, (i haven't spent as much time searching, but) > how to i get the panel that shows opened programs to only show the programs > opened on the current desktop? ie, i have six desktops and tons of programs > open which makes seeing what's open on a particular desktop by using this > panel near useless (i thought it was in 'behavior' back in the 2.x and 3.x > days). > Right click on the taskbar and select settings and you'll find options to control which windows are (not) shown on any desktop > thanks HTH Jim From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 17:28:02 2010 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:28:02 +0200 Subject: Limited PDF preview in Dolphin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 21:32, Knapp wrote: > File Size is over 100 mb. > Not 100 MB, but you my be on to something. The largest previewed PDF is 4.6 MiB, whereas the smallest non-previewed is 7.4 MiB. How can one adjust the cutoff? I would like to raise it to a good 20 MiB. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From gldvorak at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 20:47:00 2010 From: gldvorak at gmail.com (George Dvorak) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 13:47:00 -0700 Subject: Limited PDF preview in Dolphin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 21:32, Knapp wrote: > > File Size is over 100 mb. > > > > Not 100 MB, but you my be on to something. The largest previewed PDF > is 4.6 MiB, whereas the smallest non-previewed is 7.4 MiB. How can one > adjust the cutoff? 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On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Jim MacLeod wrote: > On Friday 22 October 2010 22:53:48 shawn wilson wrote: > > > > on a slightly different note, (i haven't spent as much time searching, > but) > > how to i get the panel that shows opened programs to only show the > programs > > opened on the current desktop? ie, i have six desktops and tons of > programs > > open which makes seeing what's open on a particular desktop by using this > > panel near useless (i thought it was in 'behavior' back in the 2.x and > 3.x > > days). > > > Right click on the taskbar and select settings and you'll find options to > control which windows are (not) shown on any desktop > > > thanks > HTH > Jim > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valtermura at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 23:40:49 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 01:40:49 +0200 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? Message-ID: <201010240140.50417.valtermura@gmail.com> In data giovedì 21 ottobre 2010 23:49:35, hai scritto: > > > > played perfectly on my win 7 machine - and the audio CD wouldn't > > show up anywhere in win 7. > > I reckon the developers have been copyrighted into limbo and been > > forced to b&*($r up a perfectly good audio/video set up and leave us > > in kubuntu linux with this mess. > > brian > > Same problem. > > I have a ripped audio cd (in .wav) that I cannot open inside my "beautiful" > KDE 4.5.2 / amarok 2.3.2 / Kscd / Kubuntu 10.10, BUT I can open inside > Ubuntu 10.10 with no problems with Rythmbox. > > The device notifier detects the cd inside the device, but commands don't > work. And I have to add that K3B detects and open correctly the audio CD for extraction. The issue is rather strange. -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From pegasus at sc.rr.com Sat Oct 23 23:59:37 2010 From: pegasus at sc.rr.com (Bill Wright) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:59:37 -0400 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <201010240140.50417.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <201010240140.50417.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CC376E9.9040109@sc.rr.com> On 10/23/2010 07:40 PM, Valter Mura wrote: > In data giovedì 21 ottobre 2010 23:49:35, hai scritto: >>> played perfectly on my win 7 machine - and the audio CD wouldn't >>> show up anywhere in win 7. >>> I reckon the developers have been copyrighted into limbo and been >>> forced to b&*($r up a perfectly good audio/video set up and leave us >>> in kubuntu linux with this mess. >>> brian >> Same problem. >> >> I have a ripped audio cd (in .wav) that I cannot open inside my "beautiful" >> KDE 4.5.2 / amarok 2.3.2 / Kscd / Kubuntu 10.10, BUT I can open inside >> Ubuntu 10.10 with no problems with Rythmbox. >> >> The device notifier detects the cd inside the device, but commands don't >> work. > And I have to add that K3B detects and open correctly the audio CD for > extraction. The issue is rather strange. > > Why not download Rythmbox from the respository? From valtermura at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 08:14:51 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:14:51 +0200 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <4CC376E9.9040109@sc.rr.com> References: <201010240140.50417.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CC376E9.9040109@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <201010241014.52153.valtermura@gmail.com> In data domenica 24 ottobre 2010 01:59:37, Bill Wright ha scritto: > On 10/23/2010 07:40 PM, Valter Mura wrote: > > In data giovedì 21 ottobre 2010 23:49:35, hai scritto: > >>> played perfectly on my win 7 machine - and the audio CD wouldn't > >>> show up anywhere in win 7. > >>> I reckon the developers have been copyrighted into limbo and been > >>> forced to b&*($r up a perfectly good audio/video set up and leave us > >>> in kubuntu linux with this mess. > >>> brian > >> > >> Same problem. > >> > >> I have a ripped audio cd (in .wav) that I cannot open inside my > >> "beautiful" KDE 4.5.2 / amarok 2.3.2 / Kscd / Kubuntu 10.10, BUT I can > >> open inside Ubuntu 10.10 with no problems with Rythmbox. > >> > >> The device notifier detects the cd inside the device, but commands don't > >> work. > > > > And I have to add that K3B detects and open correctly the audio CD for > > extraction. The issue is rather strange. > > > > Why not download Rythmbox from the respository? I'd like to see the problems solved. I like and I want to use Amarok and all the KDE stuff. :-) -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From trym.side at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Oct 24 10:36:39 2010 From: trym.side at blueyonder.co.uk (Jim MacLeod) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:36:39 +0100 Subject: kde desktop real estate In-Reply-To: References: <201010231138.33827.trym.side@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <201010241136.39599.trym.side@blueyonder.co.uk> On Sunday 24 October 2010 00:27:29 shawn wilson wrote: > i've "fixed" my main real estate issue by just moving my 'task bar' panel > to the top of my desktop. however, when i right click on the 'task bar' > panel and select "panel settings" i get a bar with options: screen edge, > height, add widgets..., add spacer, lock widgets, more settings. more > settings brings down a dozen items, none of them allow me to 'control > which windows are shown'. The 'task bar' is a widget that you add to a 'panel'. Therefore a right click within a panel in the area where it displays open windows must bring up the options 'Task Manager Settings' and 'Unlock Widgets'. If you do not see this, then Task Manager is not installed, so you will need to unlock widgets and add it to your panel. HTH Jim From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sun Oct 24 13:06:18 2010 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:06:18 -0400 Subject: user-switching behavior question Message-ID: <201010240906.18391.pkaplan1@comcast.net> One feature of a multi-user Windows system that I like is that when the screen-saver kicks in after a few minutes and a user goes to wake up the system, they are presented with a list of users on the machine and can then login to any account they choose. I find this useful on a family machine where noone remembers to logout but everyone wants to keep their userspace hidden from other users. Perhaps I'm not understanding quite how the user-switching applet in kubuntu works, but it looks like a user has to activiate it to get the system to lock the current user account and present with new login screen. Is it possible to emulate the Windows configuration? Paul From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 13:46:50 2010 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:46:50 +0200 Subject: Acer Apspire One 753 and Kubuntu Message-ID: Hi! I just bought an Acer Aspire One 753 and wanted to install Kubuntu 10.10 on it. I created a bootable USB-stick with Kubuntu 10.10 according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick. It booted fine and i could run the LiveCD, i resized the existing Windows 7 partition and installed Kubuntu. Everything went smooth during the installation but when I rebooted into Kubuntu it wouldn't start X. I think it trying to start a failsafe X with VESA but fails with error in the log. The last lines from Xorg.0.log is: (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev ... (EE) open /dev/fd0: No such file or directory I tried to create a default xorg.conf (based on the xorg.conf.failsafe) and replaced the vesa driver with intel but then I didn't get any error but it wouldn't start. Has anyone installed Kubuntu on an Acer Aspire One 753 or have any ideas what to do/try? If needed I post more hardware info later. / Jonas From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 20:43:39 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:43:39 -0400 Subject: kde desktop real estate In-Reply-To: <201010241136.39599.trym.side@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <201010231138.33827.trym.side@blueyonder.co.uk> <201010241136.39599.trym.side@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: cool, it was there. i just had to close some programs so that i could get to it. on a site note, if there are any kde developers reading this - i think that 'task manager settings' menu option should show up even if i click on a program inside of that widget. i also think that there should be a way to get to the settings of (active) widgets from within the control panel. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:36 AM, Jim MacLeod wrote: > On Sunday 24 October 2010 00:27:29 shawn wilson wrote: > > i've "fixed" my main real estate issue by just moving my 'task bar' panel > > to the top of my desktop. however, when i right click on the 'task bar' > > panel and select "panel settings" i get a bar with options: screen edge, > > height, add widgets..., add spacer, lock widgets, more settings. more > > settings brings down a dozen items, none of them allow me to 'control > > which windows are shown'. > > The 'task bar' is a widget that you add to a 'panel'. Therefore a right > click > within a panel in the area where it displays open windows must bring up the > options 'Task Manager Settings' and 'Unlock Widgets'. If you do not see > this, > then Task Manager is not installed, so you will need to unlock widgets and > add > it to your panel. > > HTH > Jim > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Mon Oct 25 06:00:30 2010 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 02:00:30 -0400 Subject: user-switching behavior question In-Reply-To: <201010240906.18391.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <201010240906.18391.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4CC51CFE.7040507@cfl.rr.com> On 10/24/2010 9:06 AM, Paul Kaplan wrote: > One feature of a multi-user Windows system that I like is that when the > screen-saver kicks in after a few minutes and a user goes to wake up the > system, they are presented with a list of users on the machine and can then > login to any account they choose. I find this useful on a family machine where > noone remembers to logout but everyone wants to keep their userspace hidden > from other users. > > Perhaps I'm not understanding quite how the user-switching applet in kubuntu > works, but it looks like a user has to activiate it to get the system to lock > the current user account and present with new login screen. > > Is it possible to emulate the Windows configuration? > > Paul > Any time you want open a terminal and type 'who' and it will list everyone who is logged on and what terminal they are logged in on. You don't have to wait for the screen saver to kick in. Good luck! Tom -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis (Juvenal), Roman Poet, late 1st, early 2nd century AD ("Who will protect us from the protectors?") From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 10:26:59 2010 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:26:59 +0200 Subject: Limited PDF preview in Dolphin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 22:47, George Dvorak wrote: > Settings > Configure Dolphin > General > Previews > At the bottom of the page you can set the kimit for local and remote files. > While you can set local files to 9999 MB when you come back to this screen > you will find it set to 1807 MB. > Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Mon Oct 25 10:38:09 2010 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 06:38:09 -0400 Subject: user-switching behavior question In-Reply-To: <4CC51CFE.7040507@cfl.rr.com> References: <201010240906.18391.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <4CC51CFE.7040507@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <201010250638.09980.pkaplan1@comcast.net> On Monday, October 25, 2010 02:00:30 am Tom Bell wrote: > On 10/24/2010 9:06 AM, Paul Kaplan wrote: > > One feature of a multi-user Windows system that I like is that when the > > screen-saver kicks in after a few minutes and a user goes to wake up the > > system, they are presented with a list of users on the machine and can > > then login to any account they choose. I find this useful on a family > > machine where noone remembers to logout but everyone wants to keep their > > userspace hidden from other users. > > > > Perhaps I'm not understanding quite how the user-switching applet in > > kubuntu works, but it looks like a user has to activiate it to get the > > system to lock the current user account and present with new login > > screen. > > > > Is it possible to emulate the Windows configuration? > > > > Paul > > Any time you want open a terminal and type 'who' and it will list > everyone who is logged on > and what terminal they are logged in on. > You don't have to wait for the screen saver to kick in. > Good luck! > > Tom It's not that I'm looking to find out who's logged in. Rather that I'm trying to build a multi-user machine for the family that wakes from a sleep state to allow for selection of any user account and after a user walks away from the machine without logging out, returns to that screen. It would be nice to allow multiple concurrent logins (although not specifically multiple concurrent users)...maybe a GUI to automate ALT+CTRL+F7/F8/F9 functionality and that enforces passwords during the switch. Maybe an alternative solution is to find a way to force logout after a certain amount of non-use. Is that possible? Paul From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Mon Oct 25 17:14:05 2010 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:14:05 -0400 Subject: user-switching behavior question In-Reply-To: <201010250638.09980.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <201010240906.18391.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <4CC51CFE.7040507@cfl.rr.com> <201010250638.09980.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4CC5BADD.5050607@cfl.rr.com> On 10/25/2010 6:38 AM, Paul Kaplan wrote: > On Monday, October 25, 2010 02:00:30 am Tom Bell wrote: >> On 10/24/2010 9:06 AM, Paul Kaplan wrote: >>> One feature of a multi-user Windows system that I like is that when the >>> screen-saver kicks in after a few minutes and a user goes to wake up the >>> system, they are presented with a list of users on the machine and can >>> then login to any account they choose. I find this useful on a family >>> machine where noone remembers to logout but everyone wants to keep > their >>> userspace hidden from other users. >>> >>> Perhaps I'm not understanding quite how the user-switching applet in >>> kubuntu works, but it looks like a user has to activiate it to get the >>> system to lock the current user account and present with new login >>> screen. >>> >>> Is it possible to emulate the Windows configuration? >>> >>> Paul >> Any time you want open a terminal and type 'who' and it will list >> everyone who is logged on >> and what terminal they are logged in on. >> You don't have to wait for the screen saver to kick in. >> Good luck! >> >> Tom > It's not that I'm looking to find out who's logged in. Rather that I'm trying > to build a multi-user machine for the family that wakes from a sleep state to > allow for selection of any user account and after a user walks away from the > machine without logging out, returns to that screen. It would be nice to > allow multiple concurrent logins (although not specifically multiple > concurrent users)...maybe a GUI to automate ALT+CTRL+F7/F8/F9 > functionality and that enforces passwords during the switch. > > Maybe an alternative solution is to find a way to force logout after a certain > amount of non-use. Is that possible? > Paul > You might try System Settings --> Power Management --> General Settings--> Settings and Profile and click (tick) "Lock screen on resume". That should request the password or logout of current user. Since I have not done it myself (single-user) I have no idea exactly how it works. Good luck! Tom-- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis (Juvenal), Roman Poet, late 1st, early 2nd century AD ("Who will protect us from the protectors?") From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 17:26:09 2010 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:26:09 +0200 Subject: Limited PDF preview in Dolphin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Settings > Configure Dolphin > General > Previews > At the bottom of the page you can set the kimit for local and remote files. > While you can set local files to 9999 MB when you come back to this screen > you will find it set to 1807 MB. > > George Dvorak Mine, 10.04 maxes out at 100mb. I really hate that and it used to be more. I wish I knew a way to go past that size limit and don't understand why they set it that way. Is there something better that Dalphine? (I miss the old kde 3 sometimes!) Sorry my fist answer was so lame but I had no keyboard at the time and used that mouse clicking one hopping you would catch on or Dvorak would show up (-: . -- Douglas E Knapp Creative Commons Film Group, Helping people make open source movies with open source software! http://douglas.bespin.org/CommonsFilmGroup/phpBB3/index.php Massage in Gelsenkirchen-Buer: http://douglas.bespin.org/tcm/ztab1.htm Please link to me and trade links with me! Open Source Sci-Fi mmoRPG Game project. http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page http://code.google.com/p/perspectiveproject/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 17:37:12 2010 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:37:12 +0200 Subject: Limited PDF preview in Dolphin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 19:26, Knapp wrote: > Mine, 10.04 maxes out at 100mb. I really hate that and it used to be > more. I wish I knew a way to go past that size limit and don't > understand why they set it that way. Is there something better that > Dalphine? (I miss the old kde 3 sometimes!) > I've been using Thunar recently (there are some unresolved dataloss bugs in Dolphin that have bitten me more than once). Thunar has file preview, though I do know know until what file size. Be sure to disable Volume Management otherwise it interferes with the Device Notifier plasmoid. > Sorry my fist answer was so lame but I had no keyboard at the time and > used that mouse clicking one hopping you would catch on or Dvorak > would show up (-: . > I know the situation. My laptop has about a dozen dead keys, they don't work in US English nor Dvorak! (just kidding, George) -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 20:09:33 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:09:33 -0600 Subject: [lucid] audiocd:/MP3 is empty; how to fix? In-Reply-To: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> References: <4CBF50E6.5060004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CC5E3FD.4060204@gmail.com> D. R. Evans said the following at 10/20/2010 02:28 PM : > > But when I open audiocd:/MP3, the virtual directory is blank. It seems that > something in the upgrade from karmic to lucid must have disabled the > capability to grab tracks from this virtual directory and copy them to the > hard drive. > From the comments from other people having problems with this, I just gave up trying to get this to work and instead fired up my trusty hardy machine. (FWIW, here that's the last version of Kubuntu that really worked well... since then it's been some-steps-forward-some-steps-back with every release). Anyway, that allowed me to rip the CD just fine. It's hard to tell from the comments whether there's just one bug in the way KDE accesses audio CDs or whether there are multiple bugs. Anyway, I'm sort-of glad that at least some other people are seeing similar issues. 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I find this useful on a > >>> family machine where noone remembers to logout but everyone wants to > >>> keep > > > > their > > > >>> userspace hidden from other users. > >>> > >>> Perhaps I'm not understanding quite how the user-switching applet in > >>> kubuntu works, but it looks like a user has to activiate it to get the > >>> system to lock the current user account and present with new login > >>> screen. > >>> > >>> Is it possible to emulate the Windows configuration? > >>> > >>> Paul > >> > >> Any time you want open a terminal and type 'who' and it will list > >> everyone who is logged on > >> and what terminal they are logged in on. > >> You don't have to wait for the screen saver to kick in. > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Tom > > > > It's not that I'm looking to find out who's logged in. Rather that I'm > > trying to build a multi-user machine for the family that wakes from a > > sleep state to allow for selection of any user account and after a user > > walks away from the machine without logging out, returns to that screen. > > It would be nice to allow multiple concurrent logins (although not > > specifically multiple concurrent users)...maybe a GUI to automate > > ALT+CTRL+F7/F8/F9 > > functionality and that enforces passwords during the switch. > > > > Maybe an alternative solution is to find a way to force logout after a > > certain amount of non-use. Is that possible? > > Paul > > You might try System Settings --> Power Management --> General > Settings--> Settings and Profile > and click (tick) "Lock screen on resume". That should request the > password or logout of current user. > Since I have not done it myself (single-user) I have no idea exactly how > it works. > Good luck! > > Tom-- > You can also set the screensaver to require a password after x amount of time. The password dialog does provide the option of switching to a different user, but I don't see a way to have a choice of users presented to you clay From gldvorak at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 06:17:21 2010 From: gldvorak at gmail.com (George Dvorak) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:17:21 -0700 Subject: Limited PDF preview in Dolphin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 19:26, Knapp wrote: > > Mine, 10.04 maxes out at 100mb. I really hate that and it used to be > > more. I wish I knew a way to go past that size limit and don't > > understand why they set it that way. Is there something better that > > Dalphine? (I miss the old kde 3 sometimes!) > > > > I've been using Thunar recently (there are some unresolved dataloss > bugs in Dolphin that have bitten me more than once). Thunar has file > preview, though I do know know until what file size. Be sure to > disable Volume Management otherwise it interferes with the Device > Notifier plasmoid. > > > Sorry my fist answer was so lame but I had no keyboard at the time and > > used that mouse clicking one hopping you would catch on or Dvorak > > would show up (-: . > > > > I know the situation. My laptop has about a dozen dead keys, they > don't work in US English nor Dvorak! (just kidding, George) > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://gibberish.co.il > http://what-is-what.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Well, I am somewhat confused. The value that I put in the limit box does affect whether or not I get a preview, but it does not matter whether I put tick marks in the various boxes for types of files. George, not that Dvorak or that Dvorak either. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 07:11:04 2010 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:11:04 +0200 Subject: Limited PDF preview in Dolphin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 08:17, George Dvorak wrote: > Well, I am somewhat confused.  The value that I put in the limit box does > affect whether or not I get a preview, but it does not matter whether I put > tick marks in the various boxes for types of files. > I cannot confirm that here. KDE 4.5.1, setting or removing PDF, JPG, and other image types' previews works as expected. > George, not that Dvorak or that Dvorak either. > :) -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 07:51:39 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:51:39 +0200 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? Message-ID: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 and if so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... Sinclair From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 10:01:21 2010 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:01:21 +1000 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CC6A6F1.7050803@gmail.com> On 26/10/10 17:51, O. Sinclair wrote: > Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 and if > so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... > I have, no issues -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From gkourtev at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 10:28:30 2010 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:28:30 +0300 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010261328.30865.gkourtev@gmail.com> On Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:51:39 am O. Sinclair wrote: > Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 and if > so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... > > Sinclair I did that right after installation of 10.10 on three production machine. Didn't face issues so far that were noticeable. Just for some days on two machines I was missing the unlock window after hibernation -- I actually got the gray box on the screen, but didn't see where I am writing and other info there (like language selector for example). gk From pegasus at sc.rr.com Tue Oct 26 11:11:40 2010 From: pegasus at sc.rr.com (Bill Wright) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:11:40 -0400 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CC6B76C.1030900@sc.rr.com> On 10/26/2010 03:51 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 and if > so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... > > Sinclair > I have not had any issues thus far, even running "chrome" and "thunderbird". From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 11:22:20 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:22:20 +0200 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <4CC6A6F1.7050803@gmail.com> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> <4CC6A6F1.7050803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010261322.20913.valtermura@gmail.com> In data martedì 26 ottobre 2010 12:01:21, Lindsay Mathieson ha scritto: > On 26/10/10 17:51, O. Sinclair wrote: > > Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 and if > > so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... The only issue discovered is the cd device, I cannot open *audio cd* from it with Amarok, KsCD, Audex, Dolphin. I can open it with K3B for extraction. Strange issue. -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 11:27:59 2010 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:27:59 +1000 Subject: How to use address book in Kontact? Message-ID: <4CC6BB3F.2070603@gmail.com> This is an odd one ... Using kontact 4.4.7/KDE 4.5.2 in Maverick. I have two akonadi address books setup (vcard file). I can see the addresses just fine in the contacts pane. Can't figure out how to pick an address from them when creating a message. When I click on "Select" it just lists the "Most Recent" entries, even though "All" is selected in the drop down. Choosing "Tools|Address Book" just takes me back to the kontact window. -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From rtgkid at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 14:04:05 2010 From: rtgkid at gmail.com (Ryan G) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:04:05 -0500 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CC6DFD5.9070803@gmail.com> On 10/26/2010 02:51 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 and if > so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... > > Sinclair > > Would I use the "sudo apt-get upgrade kubuntu-desktop" in the terminal to upgrade on 10.10? Thanks for Your Help--- Ryan From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 14:36:43 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:36:43 -0400 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <4CC6DFD5.9070803@gmail.com> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> <4CC6DFD5.9070803@gmail.com> Message-ID: Google 'kubuntu 10.10 sources.list' or 'source-o-matic' as root: cd /etc/apt mv sources.list sources.list.orig Insert the repos you found for 10.10 into a new sources.list apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade On Oct 26, 2010 10:05 AM, "Ryan G" wrote: > On 10/26/2010 02:51 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 and if >> so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... >> >> Sinclair >> >> > Would I use the "sudo apt-get upgrade kubuntu-desktop" in the terminal > to upgrade on 10.10? > > Thanks for Your Help--- > Ryan > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 14:57:39 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:57:39 -0400 Subject: user-switching behavior question In-Reply-To: <201010260034.02474.claydoh@claydoh.com> References: <201010240906.18391.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <201010250638.09980.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <4CC5BADD.5050607@cfl.rr.com> <201010260034.02474.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: ... if you logout the current user it should bring you back to kdm (or xdm, gdm, whatever) which can present you with users to click on. On another note, I think by default /home is mask 022 meaning that anyone can view everyone else's files. Might consider setting it as 033 or even 077 On Oct 26, 2010 12:35 AM, "Clay Weber" wrote: > On Monday, October 25, 2010 01:14:05 pm Tom Bell wrote: >> On 10/25/2010 6:38 AM, Paul Kaplan wrote: >> > On Monday, October 25, 2010 02:00:30 am Tom Bell wrote: >> >> On 10/24/2010 9:06 AM, Paul Kaplan wrote: >> >>> One feature of a multi-user Windows system that I like is that when the >> >>> screen-saver kicks in after a few minutes and a user goes to wake up >> >>> the system, they are presented with a list of users on the machine and >> >>> can then login to any account they choose. I find this useful on a >> >>> family machine where noone remembers to logout but everyone wants to >> >>> keep >> > >> > their >> > >> >>> userspace hidden from other users. >> >>> >> >>> Perhaps I'm not understanding quite how the user-switching applet in >> >>> kubuntu works, but it looks like a user has to activiate it to get the >> >>> system to lock the current user account and present with new login >> >>> screen. >> >>> >> >>> Is it possible to emulate the Windows configuration? >> >>> >> >>> Paul >> >> >> >> Any time you want open a terminal and type 'who' and it will list >> >> everyone who is logged on >> >> and what terminal they are logged in on. >> >> You don't have to wait for the screen saver to kick in. >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Tom >> > >> > It's not that I'm looking to find out who's logged in. Rather that I'm >> > trying to build a multi-user machine for the family that wakes from a >> > sleep state to allow for selection of any user account and after a user >> > walks away from the machine without logging out, returns to that screen. >> > It would be nice to allow multiple concurrent logins (although not >> > specifically multiple concurrent users)...maybe a GUI to automate >> > ALT+CTRL+F7/F8/F9 >> > functionality and that enforces passwords during the switch. >> > >> > Maybe an alternative solution is to find a way to force logout after a >> > certain amount of non-use. Is that possible? >> > Paul >> >> You might try System Settings --> Power Management --> General >> Settings--> Settings and Profile >> and click (tick) "Lock screen on resume". That should request the >> password or logout of current user. >> Since I have not done it myself (single-user) I have no idea exactly how >> it works. >> Good luck! >> >> Tom-- >> > You can also set the screensaver to require a password after x amount of time. > The password dialog does provide the option of switching to a different user, > but I don't see a way to have a choice of users presented to you > > > clay > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isak.enstrom at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 15:27:39 2010 From: isak.enstrom at gmail.com (Isak =?iso-8859-1?q?Enstr=F6m?=) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:27:39 +0200 Subject: How to use address book in Kontact? In-Reply-To: <4CC6BB3F.2070603@gmail.com> References: <4CC6BB3F.2070603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010261727.40137.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> On Tuesday 26 October 2010 13.27.59 Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > This is an odd one ... > > Using kontact 4.4.7/KDE 4.5.2 in Maverick. I have two akonadi address > books setup (vcard file). I can see the addresses just fine in the > contacts pane. > > Can't figure out how to pick an address from them when creating a > message. When I click on "Select" it just lists the "Most Recent" > entries, even though "All" is selected in the drop down. > > Choosing "Tools|Address Book" just takes me back to the kontact window. Known problem, was a bit perplexed myself until I found out http://bit.ly/a5erja -- // Isak Enström From arnaud.bourree at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 15:42:19 2010 From: arnaud.bourree at gmail.com (Arnaud bourree) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:42:19 +0200 Subject: Configure Display: VGA1 right of LVDS1 Message-ID: Hello, I'd like to setup VGA1 right of LVDS1 instead of LVDS1 left of VGA1. You will said that the same, but I think not: My task bar is on first display: VGA1 as it is the reference, and I like to find it on LVDS1 whatever I've monitor connected to VGA1 or not. Do you known how to setup VGA1 right of LVDS1? Regards, Arnaud. From hakan at koseoglu.org Tue Oct 26 15:58:48 2010 From: hakan at koseoglu.org (Hakan Koseoglu) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:58:48 +0100 Subject: Configure Display: VGA1 right of LVDS1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arnaud, On 26 October 2010 16:42, Arnaud bourree wrote: > I'd like to setup VGA1 right of LVDS1 instead of LVDS1 left of VGA1. > You will said that the same, but I think not: > My task bar is on first display: VGA1 as it is the reference, and I > like to find it on LVDS1 whatever I've monitor connected to VGA1 or > not. > Do you known how to setup VGA1 right of LVDS1? I can't make much sense of what you just said. Are you having problems with the krandrtray? What do you like to find where? Are you using any 3rd party drivers like nVidia? For more, man xrandr. Sample here (this puts VGA1 on the left hand side of LVDS1 and sets LVDS1 as primary, moving VGA1 to the right hand side is not much different. xrandr --output LVDS1 --primary xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1440x900 --panning 1440x900+1024+0 xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768 --pos 0x0 It won't work with 3rd party nVidia. You need to use their own setup util. -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org From rrumberger at web.de Tue Oct 26 15:58:34 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:58:34 +0200 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010261758.38238.rrumberger@web.de> On Tuesday 26 October 2010, O. Sinclair wrote: > Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 > and if so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... You may want to wait if you're using the comic widget with at least a comic that has tooltips and one that hasn't, as switching between two such comics will cause a plasma crash. The issue has been fixed, but only in 4.5.3. Otherwise nothing unusual, kopete's as crashy, slow and buggy as ever and akregator still has that issue where the message view isn't updated unless you select a different feed and go back to the one that has new messages. IOW, nothing else seems broken that wasn't already broken in 4.5.1. --Reinhold From mdhirsch at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 16:37:27 2010 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:37:27 -0600 Subject: How do I move my panel? Message-ID: Well, I upgraded to meercat. It broke my grub installation and I could not find a way to reinstall grub, so I ended up doing a complete fresh install. Most depressing. I haven't had to do a fresh install due to upgrading in years--maybe even a decade. Anyway, I'm back up. I backup up /home, so almost everything is configured as I'd like. Except...my panel. I have two displays, and the panel is now on the right display and I'd like it on the left. I can't find any way to move it. There is a YouTube video of how easy it is to move, but I can't get it going. Any hints? Thanks, Michael From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 16:50:34 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:50:34 -0400 Subject: How do I move my panel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure about displays, but FYI, in the future, mount your partitions how they were on your running system. Chroot. Ldconfig. Grub-install. Or dd if=/dev/disk of=/boot/grub/stage1 bs=512 count=1 I'm not in front of a computer so you should probably confer with Google on that dd. I also have a cron job to tar etc on a weekly basis (revision control would probably be better) fwiw On Oct 26, 2010 12:38 PM, "Michael Hirsch" wrote: > Well, I upgraded to meercat. It broke my grub installation and I > could not find a way to reinstall grub, so I ended up doing a complete > fresh install. Most depressing. I haven't had to do a fresh install > due to upgrading in years--maybe even a decade. > > Anyway, I'm back up. I backup up /home, so almost everything is > configured as I'd like. Except...my panel. I have two displays, and > the panel is now on the right display and I'd like it on the left. I > can't find any way to move it. There is a YouTube video of how easy > it is to move, but I can't get it going. > > Any hints? > > Thanks, > > Michael > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdhirsch at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 17:32:11 2010 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:32:11 -0600 Subject: How do I move my panel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:50 AM, shawn wilson wrote: > Not sure about displays, but > > FYI, in the future, mount your partitions how they were on your running > system. Chroot. Ldconfig. Grub-install. Or dd if=/dev/disk > of=/boot/grub/stage1 bs=512 count=1  I'm not in front of a computer so you > should probably confer with Google on that dd. I tried grub-install. grub-install always ended with a seg-fault and no change to booting. I didn't try that "dd" trick--it didn't show up on my searches, only the grub-install trick. Does that work with grub2? I have yet to see an advantage to grub2. It still feels like going back to the bad old days of lilo. > I also have a cron job to tar etc on a weekly basis (revision control would > probably be better) fwiw I always back up /etc/ before upgrading. A cron job is probably a better idea. Thanks, Michael From claydoh at claydoh.com Tue Oct 26 17:41:10 2010 From: claydoh at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:41:10 -0400 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> <4CC6DFD5.9070803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010261341.11180.claydoh@claydoh.com> On Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:36:43 am shawn wilson wrote: > Google 'kubuntu 10.10 sources.list' or 'source-o-matic' > as root: > cd /etc/apt > mv sources.list sources.list.orig > Insert the repos you found for 10.10 into a new sources.list > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > > On Oct 26, 2010 10:05 AM, "Ryan G" wrote: > > On 10/26/2010 02:51 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 and if > >> so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... > >> > >> Sinclair > > > > Would I use the "sudo apt-get upgrade kubuntu-desktop" in the terminal > > to upgrade on 10.10? > > > > Thanks for Your Help--- > > Ryan > > It may be good to use this method: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu as it disables external ppa's, etc and handles some other upgrade tasks for you. A bit safer clay From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 17:42:37 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:42:37 -0400 Subject: How do I move my panel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: dd's low level. That will work with any pc, no matter the boot loader. Might also work on other architectures - dunno. Just check my syntax as dd is pretty unforgiving to mistakes. On Oct 26, 2010 1:33 PM, "Michael Hirsch" wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:50 AM, shawn wilson wrote: >> Not sure about displays, but >> >> FYI, in the future, mount your partitions how they were on your running >> system. Chroot. Ldconfig. Grub-install. Or dd if=/dev/disk >> of=/boot/grub/stage1 bs=512 count=1 I'm not in front of a computer so you >> should probably confer with Google on that dd. > > I tried grub-install. grub-install always ended with a seg-fault and > no change to booting. I didn't try that "dd" trick--it didn't show up > on my searches, only the grub-install trick. Does that work with > grub2? > > I have yet to see an advantage to grub2. It still feels like going > back to the bad old days of lilo. > >> I also have a cron job to tar etc on a weekly basis (revision control would >> probably be better) fwiw > > I always back up /etc/ before upgrading. 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Per dd http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132902 On Oct 26, 2010 1:42 PM, "shawn wilson" wrote: > dd's low level. That will work with any pc, no matter the boot loader. Might > also work on other architectures - dunno. Just check my syntax as dd is > pretty unforgiving to mistakes. > On Oct 26, 2010 1:33 PM, "Michael Hirsch" wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:50 AM, shawn wilson wrote: >>> Not sure about displays, but >>> >>> FYI, in the future, mount your partitions how they were on your running >>> system. Chroot. Ldconfig. Grub-install. Or dd if=/dev/disk >>> of=/boot/grub/stage1 bs=512 count=1 I'm not in front of a computer so > you >>> should probably confer with Google on that dd. >> >> I tried grub-install. grub-install always ended with a seg-fault and >> no change to booting. I didn't try that "dd" trick--it didn't show up >> on my searches, only the grub-install trick. Does that work with >> grub2? >> >> I have yet to see an advantage to grub2. It still feels like going >> back to the bad old days of lilo. >> >>> I also have a cron job to tar etc on a weekly basis (revision control > would >>> probably be better) fwiw >> >> I always back up /etc/ before upgrading. A cron job is probably a better > idea. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michael >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gheskett at wdtv.com Tue Oct 26 18:06:49 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:06:49 -0400 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <201010261758.38238.rrumberger@web.de> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> <201010261758.38238.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <201010261406.49080.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Tuesday, October 26, 2010 02:01:12 pm Reinhold Rumberger did opine: > On Tuesday 26 October 2010, O. Sinclair wrote: > > Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 > > and if so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... > > You may want to wait if you're using the comic widget with at least a > comic that has tooltips and one that hasn't, as switching between two > such comics will cause a plasma crash. The issue has been fixed, but > only in 4.5.3. > Otherwise nothing unusual, kopete's as crashy, slow and buggy as ever > and akregator still has that issue where the message view isn't > updated unless you select a different feed and go back to the one > that has new messages. IOW, nothing else seems broken that wasn't > already broken in 4.5.1. > > --Reinhold Also, recently kmix just exits silently, even when launched from a shell. Several of that sort of utils that did reside in the box immediately left of the digital clock have been on the missing list for a week or so. Only the two circles, one with an i in it, the other with the usb symbol are all that now survives. klipper is running, but no icon. I don't recall what else is missing now. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Why are these athletic shoe salesmen following me?? From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 18:06:39 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:06:39 +0200 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <201010261341.11180.claydoh@claydoh.com> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> <4CC6DFD5.9070803@gmail.com> <201010261341.11180.claydoh@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <4CC718AF.8090002@gmail.com> On 26/10/2010 19:41, Clay Weber wrote: > On Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:36:43 am shawn wilson wrote: >> Google 'kubuntu 10.10 sources.list' or 'source-o-matic' >> as root: >> cd /etc/apt >> mv sources.list sources.list.orig >> Insert the repos you found for 10.10 into a new sources.list >> apt-get update >> apt-get dist-upgrade >> >> On Oct 26, 2010 10:05 AM, "Ryan G" wrote: >>> On 10/26/2010 02:51 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 and if >>>> so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... >>>> >>>> Sinclair >>> >>> Would I use the "sudo apt-get upgrade kubuntu-desktop" in the terminal >>> to upgrade on 10.10? >>> >>> Thanks for Your Help--- >>> Ryan >>> > > It may be good to use this method: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu > as it disables external ppa's, etc and handles some other upgrade tasks for > you. A bit safer > > clay > Well, I am on 10.10 already so I think I will rather follow the the prescribed method on kubuntu.org: Packages for the release of the KDE Software Compilation 4.5.2 are available for Kubuntu 10.10. Bugs in packaging should be reported to kubuntu-ppa on Launchpad. Bugs in the software to KDE. Users of 10.10 Release Candidate can install it from the Kubuntu Updates PPA. To update, use the Software Repository Guide to add the following repository to your software sources list: ppa:kubuntu-ppa There are no packages planned for Kubuntu 10.04 LTS, we recommend updating to 10.10 if you want to try the newest software, From ibgibson at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 18:34:31 2010 From: ibgibson at gmail.com (Ian Gibson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:34:31 -0500 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <201010261758.38238.rrumberger@web.de> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> <201010261758.38238.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: Anyone know if the kwin performance issues have improved from 4.5.1 --> 4.5.2? I really hope the KDE devs get things together, because they're 90% of the way there now and just need to focus on bug fixes and performance improvements before adding any major new features. Hopefully by 4.6 they will have stabilized things a lot more; if so, KDE has the potential to be outstanding. Ian On 26/10/10 10:58, Reinhold Rumberger wrote: > On Tuesday 26 October 2010, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 >> and if so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... > > You may want to wait if you're using the comic widget with at least a > comic that has tooltips and one that hasn't, as switching between two > such comics will cause a plasma crash. The issue has been fixed, but > only in 4.5.3. > Otherwise nothing unusual, kopete's as crashy, slow and buggy as ever > and akregator still has that issue where the message view isn't > updated unless you select a different feed and go back to the one > that has new messages. IOW, nothing else seems broken that wasn't > already broken in 4.5.1. > > --Reinhold > From senger at rehfisch.de Tue Oct 26 19:38:19 2010 From: senger at rehfisch.de (Carsten Senger) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:38:19 +0200 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> <201010261758.38238.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <4EB82938A7EB05D30E3512E0@[192.168.178.26]> Hi Ian, --On Dienstag, Oktober 26, 2010 13:34:31 -0500 Ian Gibson wrote: > Anyone know if the kwin performance issues have improved from 4.5.1 --> > 4.5.2? > > I really hope the KDE devs get things together, because they're 90% of > the way there now and just need to focus on bug fixes and performance > improvements before adding any major new features. It seems to fix my performance problems. Switching between desktops and window was generally (moderately) slow, and seemed to get slower over Sometimes emacs and mulberry (two applications that I would not describe as modern) began to need a long time to render the window (in emacs the buffers (text areas)). It took > 10 Seconds to rerender a bigger mulberry window (up to 1600x1200). The time was proportional to the dimensions of the window. Other applications where slower too when this happened, but not that slow. Since I updated to 4.5.2 I don't have these problems anymore. I had no time to look after that before and report it, so I don't know if this is a known problem or a problem of kwin. I didn't have any problems with the update so far. ..Carsten [...] > On 26/10/10 10:58, Reinhold Rumberger wrote: >> On Tuesday 26 October 2010, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 >>> and if so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... >> >> You may want to wait if you're using the comic widget with at least a >> comic that has tooltips and one that hasn't, as switching between two >> such comics will cause a plasma crash. The issue has been fixed, but >> only in 4.5.3. >> Otherwise nothing unusual, kopete's as crashy, slow and buggy as ever >> and akregator still has that issue where the message view isn't >> updated unless you select a different feed and go back to the one >> that has new messages. IOW, nothing else seems broken that wasn't >> already broken in 4.5.1. >> >> --Reinhold >> > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From ilkyest at pop.com.br Tue Oct 26 20:14:29 2010 From: ilkyest at pop.com.br (ilkyest at pop.com.br) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:14:29 -0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? Message-ID: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> Hello pals. I've installed Kubuntu Maverick on my PC. My surprise were that some Sound card channels aren't shown on kmix.  The subwoofer, center, surround, and others that until ubuntu karmic where shown, aren't anymore. What may I do to it. The surround channel don't work too. I've tryed alsa-config, but kubuntu says "don't found" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Tue Oct 26 20:35:42 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:35:42 +0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <201010262235.42253.kassube@gmx.net> ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > Hello pals. I've installed Kubuntu Maverick on my PC. My surprise > were that some Sound card channels aren't shown on kmix. > > The subwoofer, center, surround, and others that until ubuntu karmic > where shown, aren't anymore. What may I do to it. > > The surround channel don't work too. I've tryed alsa-config, but > kubuntu says "don't found" According to various mails to this list it seems you need pavucontrol now to manage your sound settings. Nils From tomh0665 at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 21:32:09 2010 From: tomh0665 at gmail.com (Tom H) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:32:09 -0400 Subject: How do I move my panel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Michael Hirsch wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:50 AM, shawn wilson wrote: >> Not sure about displays, but >> >> FYI, in the future, mount your partitions how they were on your running >> system. Chroot. Ldconfig. Grub-install. Or dd if=/dev/disk >> of=/boot/grub/stage1 bs=512 count=1 >> I'm not in front of a computer so you should probably confer with Google >> on that dd. > > I tried grub-install. grub-install always ended with a seg-fault and > no change to booting. I didn't try that "dd" trick--it didn't show up > on my searches, only the grub-install trick. Does that work with > grub2? > > I have yet to see an advantage to grub2. It still feels like going > back to the bad old days of lilo. The "dd trick" will only work if you've backed up the MBR with "dd if=/dev/sda of=/boot/mbr.bak bs=512 count=1" and you'd only need to restore 446 rather than 512 (especially if you've changed the partitions) with "dd if=/boot/mbr.bak of=/dev/sda bs=446 count=1". Although I have my own complaints about grub2 (and its "configurability"), I find the comparison with lilo inaccurate. Yes there is an update-grub command, but there is one for grub1; this is not new. The difference is that lilo writes to the MBR at every update whereas update-grub writes to a regular file; otherwise both update-grub and lilo are run automagically through hook scripts when a kernel is upgraded. The difference between grub1 and grub2 is that, if you're modifying "/boot/grub/menu.lst" or "/boot/grub/grub.cfg" independently of a kernel upgrade, for grub1 you edit "/boot/grub/menu.lst" and run update-grub and for grub2 you edit "/etc/default/grub" and run update-grub. For grub1 and grub2 you can edit "/boot/grub/menu.lst" or "/boot/grub/grub.cfg" directly but your changes will be wiped out the next time that update-grub is run. From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 22:01:43 2010 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:01:43 +1000 Subject: How to use address book in Kontact? In-Reply-To: <201010261727.40137.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> References: <4CC6BB3F.2070603@gmail.com> <201010261727.40137.isak.enstrom@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010270801.44645.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 01:27:39 am Isak Enström wrote: > > Can't figure out how to pick an address from them when creating a > > message. When I click on "Select" it just lists the "Most Recent" > > entries, even though "All" is selected in the drop down. > > > > > > > > Choosing "Tools|Address Book" just takes me back to the kontact window. > > Known problem, was a bit perplexed myself until I found out > http://bit.ly/a5erja That did the trick, thanks. Weird they displayed in kaddressbook itself, but nowhere else. -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From gcsgcatling at bigpond.com Tue Oct 26 23:28:54 2010 From: gcsgcatling at bigpond.com (GeraldCC) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:28:54 +1000 Subject: Ubuntu server 10.10 + kubuntu front end Message-ID: <201010270928.54647.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> Hi to all, I have Ubuntu Server 10.10 together with the KDE4 front end from KUbuntu. I wonder if any knowledgeable person can explain how to get this server to share files? I have been reading Ubuntu server 8.04 Administration, but it really does seem very outdated. I set up shares using KDE4 KDF and sharing via 'properties' and via editing the 'exports' file. Although I see the exports on the workstation (PCLinuxOS 2010.07), I cannot mount them. OR If by some other magic, I can mount the the mounts are not accessible!! By that I mean that I can see what is in the mounted folder but cannot write into it or copy from it. Your help in setting up read/write shares in Ubuntu server 2010.10 will be gratefully received. Gerald From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 02:55:10 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:55:10 -0400 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <201010262235.42253.kassube@gmx.net> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010262235.42253.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1288148110.20054.362.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 22:35 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > > Hello pals. I've installed Kubuntu Maverick on my PC. My surprise > > were that some Sound card channels aren't shown on kmix. > > > > The subwoofer, center, surround, and others that until ubuntu karmic > > where shown, aren't anymore. What may I do to it. > > > > The surround channel don't work too. I've tryed alsa-config, but > > kubuntu says "don't found" > > According to various mails to this list it seems you need pavucontrol > now to manage your sound settings. Just install that package, if it's not already installed. You really need to have it in order to manage pulse. Works like a charm for me. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From mitchell at tufala.net Wed Oct 27 07:11:17 2010 From: mitchell at tufala.net (mitchell) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:11:17 +0300 Subject: 4.5.2 - anyone tried? In-Reply-To: <4EB82938A7EB05D30E3512E0@192.168.178.26> References: <4CC6888B.4060205@gmail.com> <201010261758.38238.rrumberger@web.de> <4EB82938A7EB05D30E3512E0@192.168.178.26> Message-ID: I had a problem with Present Windows. It was slow, and sometimes compositing would get suspended. Blacklisting the graphics card (NVIDIA=GeForce 8400M G/PCI/SSE2:-:3.3.0 NVIDIA 260.19.06) for Lanczos filter as described at http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=90755 fixed the issue. Cheers. # mitchell On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 22:38, Carsten Senger wrote: > Hi Ian, > > --On Dienstag, Oktober 26, 2010 13:34:31 -0500 Ian Gibson > wrote: > > > Anyone know if the kwin performance issues have improved from 4.5.1 --> > > 4.5.2? > > > > I really hope the KDE devs get things together, because they're 90% of > > the way there now and just need to focus on bug fixes and performance > > improvements before adding any major new features. > > It seems to fix my performance problems. Switching between desktops and > window was generally (moderately) slow, and seemed to get slower over > Sometimes emacs and mulberry (two applications that I would not describe > as modern) began to need a long time to render the > window (in emacs the buffers (text areas)). It took > 10 Seconds to > rerender a bigger mulberry window (up to 1600x1200). The time was > proportional to the dimensions of the window. Other applications where > slower too when this happened, but not that slow. > > Since I updated to 4.5.2 I don't have these problems anymore. > > I had no time to look after that before and report it, so I don't know if > this is > a known problem or a problem of kwin. > > I didn't have any problems with the update so far. > > ..Carsten > > [...] > > > On 26/10/10 10:58, Reinhold Rumberger wrote: > >> On Tuesday 26 October 2010, O. Sinclair wrote: > >>> Just a query if anyone has upgraded to KDE 4.5.2 on Kubuntu 10.10 > >>> and if so, any special experiences from that. Good or bad such... > >> > >> You may want to wait if you're using the comic widget with at least a > >> comic that has tooltips and one that hasn't, as switching between two > >> such comics will cause a plasma crash. The issue has been fixed, but > >> only in 4.5.3. > >> Otherwise nothing unusual, kopete's as crashy, slow and buggy as ever > >> and akregator still has that issue where the message view isn't > >> updated unless you select a different feed and go back to the one > >> that has new messages. IOW, nothing else seems broken that wasn't > >> already broken in 4.5.1. > >> > >> --Reinhold > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kovalamjk at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 08:42:44 2010 From: kovalamjk at gmail.com (KJK) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:12:44 +0530 Subject: Media view/read softwares Message-ID: I am a new comer to the Linux field. I am using Kubuntu 10.10 in my net book. I was using windows in my PC I had used win3.1 to winXP and tried win7 also. My favorite programs in their arena were Opera for browsing, Irfanview as picture viewer-editor-mp3player. i like Xnview over irfanview in one aspect only. That is it has got a file browser which allows multiple renaming files and view pictures as per their filenames. The fact that I never came to the Linux field earlier was because i was not bold enough and Ubuntu/kubuntu was not available. Now that I feel I am so late. Amarok and Rhythmbox are more suitable for playing play lists. A single file from a directory cannot be suitably played. The multiple renaming facility available in Dolphin is limited than that of Thunar. Presently I am satisfied with the combination of Krusader with KRename . Viewers for pictures, players for audio/video/pdf are all different and not integrated with filemanagers, I mean in the sense that separate programs should be opened for each types/tasks. A few questions anybody proficient may please answer. 1. Any simple mp3 player available which will play only the selected song? 2. Any Viewer software (just like Universal viewer, xnview, irfanview) available, which can view/read different formats at the same (audio/video/pic/txt//html/pdf), 3. Any combination of file manager with multiple format viewer pane available -- ----------------------------------- ----------------------------------- S.Jayakumar kovalamjk at gmail.com ----------------------------------- ----------------------------------- From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 27 09:23:53 2010 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:23:53 +1100 Subject: Media view/read softwares In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CC7EFA9.70600@iinet.net.au> On 27/10/2010 19:42, KJK wrote: > I am a new comer to the Linux field. I am using Kubuntu 10.10 in my net > book. I was using windows in my PC I had used win3.1 to winXP and tried > win7 also. > My favorite programs in their arena were Opera for browsing, Irfanview as > picture viewer-editor-mp3player. i like Xnview over irfanview in one > aspect only. That is it has got a file browser which allows multiple > renaming files and view pictures as per their filenames. > The fact that I never came to the Linux field earlier was because i was > not bold enough and Ubuntu/kubuntu was not available. Now that I feel I am > so late. > Firstly, Welcome to Linux! Secondly, you should NOT feel that "[you]..[are]..so late". Absolutely and definitely you are "not too late". What you are now going through is the mental adjustment from changing from the Windows environment to the unconstrained environment of Linux. It requires some mental adjustment - nothing more nothing less. And if you have been immersed in the Windows environment for some time then this adjustment requires some time to work through - however, you have all the necessary people here, and in other parts of Kubuntu/Ubuntu as well as Linux world as whole to make this transition as painless as humanly possible. > Amarok and Rhythmbox are more suitable for playing play lists. At this point I will leave your specific questions you have to others to answer but let me state that, for example, you can make Amarok play and single file you want and not, as you put it, "play lists". Just as in Windows, you can set which application will be used to "open" (play) a file when you click on it - so you can play a single audio file with whatever application you choose. But I will leave these details to others. All I wanted to say is that whatever you did in Windows can, and is matched, in Kubuntu/Ubuntu - and even if there are applications in Windows which are not natively available in Linux they can be run by using, say, Virtual Box. 'nuff said. Welcome to the world of Linux! :-) BC -- "Ning Yu displayed his wisdom while the country followed System, but when it did not, he acted stupid. His wisdom is achievable by others, his stupidity is not." Confucius From ilkyest at pop.com.br Wed Oct 27 10:05:19 2010 From: ilkyest at pop.com.br (ilkyest at pop.com.br) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:05:19 -0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <1288148110.20054.362.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010262235.42253.kassube@gmx.net> <1288148110.20054.362.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <20101027080519.12833m4me199kiu7@wajax.pop.com.br> OK. but. I've compiled XMMS, and it show my audio channels. Just kmix that doesn't. About pavucontrol I don't use pulse audio, 'cause it's works until now without pulse. Maybe I'll need now? ----- Mensagem de wayward4now at gmail.com --------- Data: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:55:10 -0400 De: Ric Moore Responder para: Kubuntu user technical support Assunto: Re: Kmix issues. May you help? Para: Kubuntu user technical support > On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 22:35 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: >> ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: >> > Hello pals. I've installed Kubuntu Maverick on my PC. My surprise >> > were that some Sound card channels aren't shown on kmix. >> > >> > The subwoofer, center, surround, and others that until ubuntu karmic >> > where shown, aren't anymore. What may I do to it. >> > >> > The surround channel don't work too. I've tryed alsa-config, but >> > kubuntu says "don't found" >> >> According to various mails to this list it seems you need pavucontrol >> now to manage your sound settings. > > Just install that package, if it's not already installed. You really > need to have it in order to manage pulse. Works like a charm for me. Ric > > > -- > My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: > "There are two Great Sins in the world... > ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. > Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. > Linux user# 44256 > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > ----- Final da mensagem de wayward4now at gmail.com ----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 10:44:55 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:44:55 +0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <20101027080519.12833m4me199kiu7@wajax.pop.com.br> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010262235.42253.kassube@gmx.net> <1288148110.20054.362.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <20101027080519.12833m4me199kiu7@wajax.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <4CC802A7.3060203@gmail.com> On 27/10/2010 12:05, ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > OK. but. I've compiled XMMS, and it show my audio channels. Just kmix > that doesn't. > > About pavucontrol I don't use pulse audio, 'cause it's works until now > without pulse. > > Maybe I'll need now? > > > > ----- Mensagem de wayward4now at gmail.com --------- > Data: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:55:10 -0400 > De: Ric Moore > Responder para: Kubuntu user technical support > > Assunto: Re: Kmix issues. May you help? > Para: Kubuntu user technical support > > > > On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 22:35 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > >> ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > >> > Hello pals. I've installed Kubuntu Maverick on my PC. My surprise > >> > were that some Sound card channels aren't shown on kmix. > >> > > >> > The subwoofer, center, surround, and others that until ubuntu karmic > >> > where shown, aren't anymore. What may I do to it. > >> > > >> > The surround channel don't work too. I've tryed alsa-config, but > >> > kubuntu says "don't found" > >> > >> According to various mails to this list it seems you need pavucontrol > >> now to manage your sound settings. > > > > Just install that package, if it's not already installed. You really > > need to have it in order to manage pulse. Works like a charm for me. Ric > > in 10.10 you use pulseaudio unless you actively remove it - so follow the pavucontrol advise, it has helped many including me. From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 27 10:47:54 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:47:54 +0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <20101027080519.12833m4me199kiu7@wajax.pop.com.br> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <1288148110.20054.362.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <20101027080519.12833m4me199kiu7@wajax.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <201010271247.54264.kassube@gmx.net> ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > OK. but. I've compiled XMMS, and it show my audio channels. Just kmix > that doesn't. > > About pavucontrol I don't use pulse audio, 'cause it's works until > now without pulse. Well, I thought you were using pulse audio because it is the default for Maverick. Anyway, did you try to add the missing channels to the kmix page? Click on the kmix icon in the panel (loudspeaker) and then click on the "Mixer" button. That should give you a mixer window with several channels. Now select "Configure Channels …" in the "settings" menu. There you should see the missing channels on the left side (Available channels) and you can drag them to the right side (Visible channels). Then click on OK. Nils From info at alvin.be Wed Oct 27 13:50:06 2010 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:50:06 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu server 10.10 + kubuntu front end In-Reply-To: <201010270928.54647.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> References: <201010270928.54647.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <201010271550.08143.info@alvin.be> On Wednesday 27 October 2010 01:28:54 GeraldCC wrote: > Hi to all, > I have Ubuntu Server 10.10 together with the KDE4 front end from KUbuntu. > I wonder if any knowledgeable person can explain how to get this server to > share files? A full desktop environment is usually not needed in order to share files. I suppose your intention is avoid the command line. You'll have a hard time. > I have been reading Ubuntu server 8.04 Administration, but it really does > seem very outdated. It isn't really that outdated, but it certainly is command line only. There are major differences, so you should have read the Ubuntu 10.10 server guide. [1] > I set up shares using KDE4 KDF and sharing via 'properties' and via editing > the 'exports' file. I don't know that program. Aptitude tells me 'kdf' is a disk information utility for KDE. Editing /etc/exports is the proper way. I have no knowledge about web interfaces or gui programs that manage NFS. > Although I see the exports on the workstation (PCLinuxOS 2010.07), I cannot > mount them. OR If by some other magic, I can mount the the mounts are not > accessible!! By that I mean that I can see what is in the mounted folder > but cannot write into it or copy from it. If you're trying the KDE NFS kioslave. Don't bother. It has been broken ever since KDE4 was released [2]. Mount manually or use /etc/fstab. > Your help in setting up read/write shares in Ubuntu server 2010.10 will be > gratefully received. You haven't given any specific information about your setup. Please send us the relevant lines from /etc/exports, (and maybe other related files) [1] https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/index.html [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/385514 -- Alvin From valtermura at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:20:46 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:20:46 +0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <1288148110.20054.362.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010262235.42253.kassube@gmx.net> <1288148110.20054.362.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010271820.47265.valtermura@gmail.com> In data mercoledì 27 ottobre 2010 04:55:10, Ric Moore ha scritto: > On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 22:35 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > > ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > > > Hello pals. I've installed Kubuntu Maverick on my PC. My surprise > > > were that some Sound card channels aren't shown on kmix. > > > > > > The subwoofer, center, surround, and others that until ubuntu karmic > > > where shown, aren't anymore. What may I do to it. > > > > > > The surround channel don't work too. I've tryed alsa-config, but > > > kubuntu says "don't found" > > > > According to various mails to this list it seems you need pavucontrol > > now to manage your sound settings. > > Just install that package, if it's not already installed. You really > need to have it in order to manage pulse. Works like a charm for me. Ric Yes, and now it works also for me and my mic. But, again, I consider it for just as it is: a workaround. Kubuntu needs something better, new users and newbies shouldn't struggle with this kind of issues. In this way we will lose users and not gain. The only way to act is to open bug issues whenever we encounter problems not directly solvable. This will help developer to find a solution, if any. In my opinion. Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 17:46:14 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:46:14 -0400 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <201010271820.47265.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010262235.42253.kassube@gmx.net> <1288148110.20054.362.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010271820.47265.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1288201574.20823.68.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 18:20 +0200, Valter Mura wrote: > In data mercoledì 27 ottobre 2010 04:55:10, Ric Moore ha scritto: > > > On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 22:35 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > > > ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > > > > Hello pals. I've installed Kubuntu Maverick on my PC. My surprise > > > > were that some Sound card channels aren't shown on kmix. > > > > > > > > The subwoofer, center, surround, and others that until ubuntu karmic > > > > where shown, aren't anymore. What may I do to it. > > > > > > > > The surround channel don't work too. I've tryed alsa-config, but > > > > kubuntu says "don't found" > > > > > > According to various mails to this list it seems you need pavucontrol > > > now to manage your sound settings. > > > > Just install that package, if it's not already installed. You really > > need to have it in order to manage pulse. Works like a charm for me. Ric > > Yes, and now it works also for me and my mic. > > But, again, I consider it for just as it is: a workaround. > > Kubuntu needs something better, new users and newbies shouldn't struggle with > this kind of issues. In this way we will lose users and not gain. > > The only way to act is to open bug issues whenever we encounter problems not > directly solvable. This will help developer to find a solution, if any. > > In my opinion. I'm just wondering why pavucontrol isn't installed by default. It is installed with Ubuntu/Gnome. So, without that little piece of code, pulse is unmanageable. Kinda like getting a car without a steering wheel, and the driver keeps landing in the ditch. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 17:49:07 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:49:07 -0400 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <201010271247.54264.kassube@gmx.net> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <1288148110.20054.362.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <20101027080519.12833m4me199kiu7@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010271247.54264.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1288201747.20823.71.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 12:47 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > > OK. but. I've compiled XMMS, and it show my audio channels. Just kmix > > that doesn't. > > > > About pavucontrol I don't use pulse audio, 'cause it's works until > > now without pulse. > > Well, I thought you were using pulse audio because it is the default for > Maverick. Anyway, did you try to add the missing channels to the kmix > page? Click on the kmix icon in the panel (loudspeaker) and then click > on the "Mixer" button. That should give you a mixer window with several > channels. Now select "Configure Channels …" in the "settings" menu. > There you should see the missing channels on the left side (Available > channels) and you can drag them to the right side (Visible channels). > Then click on OK. If he has pulse installed, I would hesitate recommending anything other than pavucontrol to control it's behavior, as there's is no telling what will happen and the user falls further down the rabbit hole. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 27 18:32:28 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:32:28 +0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <1288201747.20823.71.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010271247.54264.kassube@gmx.net> <1288201747.20823.71.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010272032.28233.kassube@gmx.net> Ric Moore wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 12:47 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > > ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > > > About pavucontrol I don't use pulse audio, 'cause it's works > > > until now without pulse. > If he has pulse installed, I would hesitate recommending anything > other than pavucontrol to control it's behavior, as there's is no > telling what will happen and the user falls further down the rabbit > hole. :) Ric IF he has pulse installed - but he hasn't according to what he wrote. Nils From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 19:56:25 2010 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:56:25 +0200 Subject: Acer Apspire One 753 and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/10/24 Jonas Norlander : > Hi! > > I just bought an Acer Aspire One 753 and wanted to install Kubuntu 10.10 on it. > I created a bootable USB-stick with Kubuntu 10.10 according to > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick. > It booted fine and i could run the LiveCD, i resized the existing > Windows 7 partition and installed Kubuntu. > Everything went smooth during the installation but when I rebooted > into Kubuntu it wouldn't start X. I think it trying to start a > failsafe X with VESA but fails with error in the log. > > The last lines from Xorg.0.log is: > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev > ... > (EE) open /dev/fd0: No such file or directory > > > I tried to create a default xorg.conf (based on the > xorg.conf.failsafe) and replaced the vesa driver with intel but then I > didn't get any error but it wouldn't start. > Has anyone installed Kubuntu on an Acer Aspire One 753 or have any > ideas what to do/try? > If needed I post more hardware info later. > > / Jonas > I was hoping that there was any other on this list had the same machine or similar hardware. It has an Intel Celeron U3400 CPU with integrated Graphics (Intel HD Graphics). Arrandale it's called I think. What I can see from searching the net, Arrandale should be supported with the Kernel, Xorg and Intel versions in 10.10. Booting from the LiveCD and checking the Xorg.0.log shows it is using the intel driver. So what makes it work from the LiveCD and not when installed? / Jonas From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 20:03:51 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:03:51 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu server 10.10 + kubuntu front end In-Reply-To: <201010271550.08143.info@alvin.be> References: <201010270928.54647.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> <201010271550.08143.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: I'd recommend krusafer's sftp or Google 'configure nfs' On Oct 27, 2010 9:52 AM, "Alvin" wrote: > On Wednesday 27 October 2010 01:28:54 GeraldCC wrote: >> Hi to all, >> I have Ubuntu Server 10.10 together with the KDE4 front end from KUbuntu. >> I wonder if any knowledgeable person can explain how to get this server to >> share files? > > A full desktop environment is usually not needed in order to share files. I > suppose your intention is avoid the command line. You'll have a hard time. > >> I have been reading Ubuntu server 8.04 Administration, but it really does >> seem very outdated. > > It isn't really that outdated, but it certainly is command line only. There > are major differences, so you should have read the Ubuntu 10.10 server guide. > [1] > >> I set up shares using KDE4 KDF and sharing via 'properties' and via editing >> the 'exports' file. > > I don't know that program. Aptitude tells me 'kdf' is a disk information > utility for KDE. Editing /etc/exports is the proper way. I have no knowledge > about web interfaces or gui programs that manage NFS. > >> Although I see the exports on the workstation (PCLinuxOS 2010.07), I cannot >> mount them. OR If by some other magic, I can mount the the mounts are not >> accessible!! By that I mean that I can see what is in the mounted folder >> but cannot write into it or copy from it. > > If you're trying the KDE NFS kioslave. Don't bother. It has been broken ever > since KDE4 was released [2]. Mount manually or use /etc/fstab. > >> Your help in setting up read/write shares in Ubuntu server 2010.10 will be >> gratefully received. > > You haven't given any specific information about your setup. Please send us > the relevant lines from /etc/exports, (and maybe other related files) > > [1] https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/index.html > [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/385514 > > -- > Alvin > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 20:22:40 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:22:40 -0600 Subject: [lucid] how to mount USB storage with correct permissions? Message-ID: <4CC88A10.4070009@gmail.com> I have been unable to access USB devices under lucid, but it wasn't important enough for me to bother with the problem until today. After some googling I came across this thread: http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470705&page=4 which told me to install usbmount, which (at last) allows me to mount USB drives so that I can see their contents. But the drives are marked as being owned by root, so I can't write to them. I tried changing the permissions on /dev/usb and /dev/usb0, but as soon as a drive is actually mounted, the permissions change back so that only root is allowed to write to the drive. What do I have to do so that when I insert a USB drive into a USB port I can, as an ordinary user, both read and write to the drive. This has always worked in earlier versions of Kubuntu; and I never had to install the usbstorage package before (or if it did have to be installed, that was done automatically; I certainly never had to install it manually). Something seems terribly amiss somewhere that this doesn't just work. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From msh at farsight-data.com Wed Oct 27 21:05:08 2010 From: msh at farsight-data.com (FarSight Data Systems) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:05:08 -0400 Subject: Acer Apspire One 753 and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010271705.08881.msh@farsight-data.com> On Wednesday 27 October 2010 03:56:25 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2010/10/24 Jonas Norlander : > > Hi! > > > > I just bought an Acer Aspire One 753 and wanted to install Kubuntu 10.10 > > on it. I created a bootable USB-stick with Kubuntu 10.10 according to > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick. > > It booted fine and i could run the LiveCD, i resized the existing > > Windows 7 partition and installed Kubuntu. > > Everything went smooth during the installation but when I rebooted > > into Kubuntu it wouldn't start X. I think it trying to start a > > failsafe X with VESA but fails with error in the log. > > > > The last lines from Xorg.0.log is: > > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa > > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev > > ... > > (EE) open /dev/fd0: No such file or directory > > > > > > I tried to create a default xorg.conf (based on the > > xorg.conf.failsafe) and replaced the vesa driver with intel but then I > > didn't get any error but it wouldn't start. > > Has anyone installed Kubuntu on an Acer Aspire One 753 or have any > > ideas what to do/try? > > If needed I post more hardware info later. > > > > / Jonas > > I was hoping that there was any other on this list had the same > machine or similar hardware. > > It has an Intel Celeron U3400 CPU with integrated Graphics (Intel HD > Graphics). Arrandale it's called I think. > What I can see from searching the net, Arrandale should be supported > with the Kernel, Xorg and Intel versions in 10.10. > Booting from the LiveCD and checking the Xorg.0.log shows it is using > the intel driver. > So what makes it work from the LiveCD and not when installed? > > / Jonas Have you tried copying the relevant configuration files from the LiveCD to the system? I've done that with Knoppix to help with some xorg configurations. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Wed Oct 27 22:52:14 2010 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:52:14 -0400 Subject: Media view/read softwares In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010271852.14308.grokit@ajinfosearch.com> > A few questions anybody proficient may please answer. > 1. Any simple mp3 player available which will play only the selected song? > 2. Any Viewer software (just like Universal viewer, xnview, irfanview) > available, which can view/read different formats at the same > (audio/video/pic/txt//html/pdf), > 3. Any combination of file manager with multiple format viewer pane > available > First let me say, welcome! Now I will try to answer your questions. 1) media player; There are a bunch and as Basil said you can make any one of them open your music. I find that all my music in Amorok works well, just click or drag a single file over. If you just want to click on a music file and have it play then try VLC. It plays all sorts of things, movies as well as music. Take a look arund the repositories in KpackageKit until you find the one that is best for you. 2) file viewer; I have only used Infranview a little bit in windows before I found a version of the Gimp for XP so I don't entirely get what you mean. If you just need a preview of any of those types of files have you found the Information panel in Dolphin yet? To see it either press F11 or click View --> Panels --> Information. When you highlight a file you get a preview along with the finle info (as long as you have the correct codecs installed of course bu tit sounds like you already found the Medibuntu repository). You can play a song, watch a movie, look at a picture, etc right in your file manager. Editing them will have to be in an outside application as far as I know. 3) I think I just answered this one above :/ Hope this helps you! Alan From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 23:04:05 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 19:04:05 -0400 Subject: Media view/read softwares In-Reply-To: <201010271852.14308.grokit@ajinfosearch.com> References: <201010271852.14308.grokit@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: Irfanview will work for 90% of most peoples' image editing needs. For the rest(as mentioned) there's the Gimp - which also has a fairly large set of python (and possibly imagemagik) plugins. Try 'aptitude search image' and see what you get. Also search for picture maybe. On Oct 27, 2010 6:53 PM, "Alan Dacey" wrote: > >> A few questions anybody proficient may please answer. >> 1. Any simple mp3 player available which will play only the selected song? >> 2. Any Viewer software (just like Universal viewer, xnview, irfanview) >> available, which can view/read different formats at the same >> (audio/video/pic/txt//html/pdf), >> 3. Any combination of file manager with multiple format viewer pane >> available >> > > First let me say, welcome! > > Now I will try to answer your questions. > > 1) media player; There are a bunch and as Basil said you can make any one of them open your music. I find that all my music in Amorok works well, just click or drag a single file over. If you just want to click on a music file and have it play then try VLC. It plays all sorts of things, movies as well as music. Take a look arund the repositories in KpackageKit until you find the one that is best for you. > > 2) file viewer; I have only used Infranview a little bit in windows before I found a version of the Gimp for XP so I don't entirely get what you mean. If you just need a preview of any of those types of files have you found the Information panel in Dolphin yet? To see it either press F11 or click View --> Panels --> Information. When you highlight a file you get a preview along with the finle info (as long as you have the correct codecs installed of course bu tit sounds like you already found the Medibuntu repository). You can play a song, watch a movie, look at a picture, etc right in your file manager. Editing them will have to be in an outside application as far as I know. > > 3) I think I just answered this one above :/ > > Hope this helps you! > > > Alan > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 00:18:04 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:18:04 -0400 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <201010272032.28233.kassube@gmx.net> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010271247.54264.kassube@gmx.net> <1288201747.20823.71.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010272032.28233.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1288225084.20823.100.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 20:32 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 12:47 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > > > ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > > > > About pavucontrol I don't use pulse audio, 'cause it's works > > > > until now without pulse. > > > If he has pulse installed, I would hesitate recommending anything > > other than pavucontrol to control it's behavior, as there's is no > > telling what will happen and the user falls further down the rabbit > > hole. :) Ric > > IF he has pulse installed - but he hasn't according to what he wrote. I was thinking he had 10.10 installed now, that alsa worked in 10.4. Common complaint. I went back into my trash folder and he's never said what he's running. But, if he's got 10.10 then pavucontrol should fix him up. It's been the stock answer to more than one newbie with 10.10 installed, in just the few recent weeks. So, to ilkyest, what ARE you running?? That might help us out, ya know. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 00:19:42 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:19:42 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu server 10.10 + kubuntu front end In-Reply-To: References: <201010270928.54647.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> <201010271550.08143.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <1288225182.20823.101.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 16:03 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: > I'd recommend krusafer's sftp or Google 'configure nfs' Please don't top post. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From rrumberger at web.de Thu Oct 28 05:42:27 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:42:27 +0200 Subject: [lucid] how to mount USB storage with correct permissions? In-Reply-To: <4CC88A10.4070009@gmail.com> References: <4CC88A10.4070009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010280742.28534.rrumberger@web.de> On Wednesday 27 October 2010, D. R. Evans wrote: > I have been unable to access USB devices under lucid, but it > wasn't important enough for me to bother with the problem until > today. > > After some googling I came across this thread: > http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470705&page=4 > > which told me to install usbmount, which (at last) allows me to > mount USB drives so that I can see their contents. > > But the drives are marked as being owned by root, so I can't write > to them. Actually, that's not true - they should be owned by user root and group disk. Then, any user in the disk group can write to them. Here's what the listing looks like on my machine: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 2010-10-28 00:15 /dev/sdb brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 17 2010-10-28 00:15 /dev/sdb1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 32 2010-10-28 06:15 /dev/sdc brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 33 2010-10-28 06:15 /dev/sdc1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 48 2010-10-28 00:15 /dev/sdd brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 49 2010-10-28 00:15 /dev/sdd1 > I tried changing the permissions on /dev/usb and /dev/usb0, What are those two supposed to be? They don't even exist here. > but as > soon as a drive is actually mounted, the permissions change back > so that only root is allowed to write to the drive. Are they, perhaps, links to the actual device files? If so, the permissions of the links are without consequence. > What do I have to do so that when I insert a USB drive into a USB > port I can, as an ordinary user, both read and write to the > drive. Usually just make sure the user is in the disk group. (In the user management module in system settings, make sure the user has the "Access external storage devices automatically" privileges checked.) There's also the possibility, when using "native" file systems like ext2/3/4, that the permissions are stored on the file systems. Simply change them the way you would normally (sudo chown [-R] ). --Reinhold From kassube at gmx.net Thu Oct 28 06:20:35 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:20:35 +0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <1288225084.20823.100.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010272032.28233.kassube@gmx.net> <1288225084.20823.100.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010280820.35816.kassube@gmx.net> Ric Moore wrote: > I was thinking he had 10.10 installed now, that alsa worked in 10.4. > Common complaint. I went back into my trash folder and he's never > said what he's running. Yes, you are thinking right. In the first mail he said it is Maverick but to the suggestion to use pavucontrol he replied that he doesn't use pulse audio. > But, if he's got 10.10 then pavucontrol > should fix him up. It's been the stock answer to more than one > newbie with 10.10 installed, in just the few recent weeks. Yep, if he's using 10.10 with pulse, then pavucontrol should be the answer. Maybe he just wasn't aware that you get pulse audio automatically when you install Maverick and you have to manually remove it if you don't want it. Nils From girardhenri at free.fr Thu Oct 28 07:00:16 2010 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:00:16 +0200 Subject: Acer Apspire One 753 and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <201010271705.08881.msh@farsight-data.com> References: <201010271705.08881.msh@farsight-data.com> Message-ID: <1288249216.1900.6.camel@riri> Le mercredi 27 octobre 2010 à 17:05 -0400, FarSight Data Systems a écrit : > On Wednesday 27 October 2010 03:56:25 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: > > 2010/10/24 Jonas Norlander : > > > Hi! > > > > > > I just bought an Acer Aspire One 753 and wanted to install Kubuntu > 10.10 > > > on it. I created a bootable USB-stick with Kubuntu 10.10 according > to > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick. > > > It booted fine and i could run the LiveCD, i resized the existing > > > Windows 7 partition and installed Kubuntu. > > > Everything went smooth during the installation but when I rebooted > > > into Kubuntu it wouldn't start X. I think it trying to start a > > > failsafe X with VESA but fails with error in the log. > > > > > > The last lines from Xorg.0.log is: > > > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa > > > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev > > > ... > > > (EE) open /dev/fd0: No such file or directory > > > > > > > > > I tried to create a default xorg.conf (based on the > > > xorg.conf.failsafe) and replaced the vesa driver with intel but > then I > > > didn't get any error but it wouldn't start. > > > Has anyone installed Kubuntu on an Acer Aspire One 753 or have any > > > ideas what to do/try? > > > If needed I post more hardware info later. > > > > > > / Jonas > > > > I was hoping that there was any other on this list had the same > > machine or similar hardware. > > > > It has an Intel Celeron U3400 CPU with integrated Graphics (Intel HD > > Graphics). Arrandale it's called I think. > > What I can see from searching the net, Arrandale should be supported > > with the Kernel, Xorg and Intel versions in 10.10. > > Booting from the LiveCD and checking the Xorg.0.log shows it is > using > > the intel driver. > > So what makes it work from the LiveCD and not when installed? > > > > / Jonas > > > > > Have you tried copying the relevant configuration files from the > LiveCD to the system? I've done that with Knoppix to help with some > xorg configurations. Ubuntu uses xorg for livecd but when you start it, it detect your video card and try to use it. jockey ask you if you want to use it drivers. sorry my english is limited... with nvidia i have no problems, ATI i have an old card so sometimes difficult... I usually disinstalled my video card if i have problems and use vesa drivers which most of the case works. From pascal at francq.info Thu Oct 28 07:50:51 2010 From: pascal at francq.info (Pascal Francq) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:50:51 +0200 Subject: Acer Apspire One 753 and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1288249216.1900.6.camel@riri> References: <201010271705.08881.msh@farsight-data.com> <1288249216.1900.6.camel@riri> Message-ID: <201010280950.51610.pascal@francq.info> I install KUbuntu 10.10 on a Acer Aspire One 751h without problem. My Aspire One uses a Intel GMA500 "Poulsbo" chipset. You find here a description how to install it : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo It may perhaps solve your problem. On jeudi 28 octobre 2010, Girard Henri wrote: > Le mercredi 27 octobre 2010 à 17:05 -0400, FarSight Data Systems a > > écrit : > > On Wednesday 27 October 2010 03:56:25 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: > > > 2010/10/24 Jonas Norlander : > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > I just bought an Acer Aspire One 753 and wanted to install Kubuntu > > > > 10.10 > > > > > > on it. I created a bootable USB-stick with Kubuntu 10.10 according > > > > to > > > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick. > > > > It booted fine and i could run the LiveCD, i resized the existing > > > > Windows 7 partition and installed Kubuntu. > > > > Everything went smooth during the installation but when I rebooted > > > > into Kubuntu it wouldn't start X. I think it trying to start a > > > > failsafe X with VESA but fails with error in the log. > > > > > > > > The last lines from Xorg.0.log is: > > > > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa > > > > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev > > > > ... > > > > (EE) open /dev/fd0: No such file or directory > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to create a default xorg.conf (based on the > > > > xorg.conf.failsafe) and replaced the vesa driver with intel but > > > > then I > > > > > > didn't get any error but it wouldn't start. > > > > Has anyone installed Kubuntu on an Acer Aspire One 753 or have any > > > > ideas what to do/try? > > > > If needed I post more hardware info later. > > > > > > > > / Jonas > > > > > > I was hoping that there was any other on this list had the same > > > machine or similar hardware. > > > > > > It has an Intel Celeron U3400 CPU with integrated Graphics (Intel HD > > > Graphics). Arrandale it's called I think. > > > What I can see from searching the net, Arrandale should be supported > > > with the Kernel, Xorg and Intel versions in 10.10. > > > Booting from the LiveCD and checking the Xorg.0.log shows it is > > > > using > > > > > the intel driver. > > > So what makes it work from the LiveCD and not when installed? > > > > > > / Jonas > > > > Have you tried copying the relevant configuration files from the > > LiveCD to the system? I've done that with Knoppix to help with some > > xorg configurations. > > Ubuntu uses xorg for livecd but when you start it, it detect your video > card and try to use it. jockey ask you if you want to use it drivers. > sorry my english is limited... > with nvidia i have no problems, ATI i have an old card so sometimes > difficult... I usually disinstalled my video card if i have problems and > use vesa drivers which most of the case works. -- Dr. Ir. 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I've done that with Knoppix to help with some xorg > configurations. > > Mark There is no xorg.conf file used, is there any other files you thinking of? / Jonas From arnaud.bourree at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 17:13:00 2010 From: arnaud.bourree at gmail.com (Arnaud bourree) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:13:00 +0200 Subject: Configure Display: VGA1 right of LVDS1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/10/26 Hakan Koseoglu : > Arnaud, > > On 26 October 2010 16:42, Arnaud bourree wrote: >> I'd like to setup VGA1 right of LVDS1 instead of LVDS1 left of VGA1. >> You will said that the same, but I think not: >> My task bar is on first display: VGA1 as it is the reference, and I >> like to find it on LVDS1 whatever I've monitor connected to VGA1 or >> not. >> Do you known how to setup VGA1 right of LVDS1? > I can't make much sense of what you just said. > Are you having problems with the krandrtray? Yes > What do you like to find where? Thanks to krandrtray to automatically detect that my laptop is connected to an additional monitor. But if power on my laptop with my monitor connected, then VGA1 is the display 1 and task bar is on VGA1. If power on without monitor, connect my monitor and login, then LVDS1 is the Display 1 and task bar is on LVDS1. Task bar on LVDS1 is what I expect what ever I power on with or without monitor connected. > Are you using any 3rd party drivers like nVidia? I didn't install extra driver than ones provided with Kubuntu > > For more, man xrandr. I don't want to go back to script to setup monitors. I hope used standard functionality of krandrtray > > Sample here (this puts VGA1 on the left hand side of LVDS1 and sets > LVDS1 as primary, moving VGA1 to the right hand side is not much > different. > xrandr --output LVDS1 --primary > xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1440x900 --panning 1440x900+1024+0 > xrandr --output VGA1  --mode 1024x768 --pos 0x0 > > It won't work with 3rd party nVidia. You need to use their own setup util. > -- > Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From hakan at koseoglu.org Thu Oct 28 17:33:54 2010 From: hakan at koseoglu.org (Hakan Koseoglu) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:33:54 +0100 Subject: Configure Display: VGA1 right of LVDS1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28 October 2010 18:13, Arnaud bourree wrote: >> Are you having problems with the krandrtray? > Yes Good luck. >> For more, man xrandr. > I don't want to go back to script to setup monitors. I hope used > standard functionality of krandrtray Stupid thing never worked here (hence the sample I sent to you earlier). -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 19:11:13 2010 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:11:13 +0200 Subject: [SOLVED] Re: Acer Apspire One 753 and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/10/24 Jonas Norlander : > Hi! > > I just bought an Acer Aspire One 753 and wanted to install Kubuntu 10.10 on it. > I created a bootable USB-stick with Kubuntu 10.10 according to > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick. > It booted fine and i could run the LiveCD, i resized the existing > Windows 7 partition and installed Kubuntu. > Everything went smooth during the installation but when I rebooted > into Kubuntu it wouldn't start X. I think it trying to start a > failsafe X with VESA but fails with error in the log. > > The last lines from Xorg.0.log is: > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev > ... > (EE) open /dev/fd0: No such file or directory > > > I tried to create a default xorg.conf (based on the > xorg.conf.failsafe) and replaced the vesa driver with intel but then I > didn't get any error but it wouldn't start. > Has anyone installed Kubuntu on an Acer Aspire One 753 or have any > ideas what to do/try? > If needed I post more hardware info later. > > / Jonas > I finally got a workaorund until it can be solved upstreams. It turns out to be a bug/crash in the kernel that prevents X from starting. Blacklisting intel_ips makes X start. Bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/648631 / Jonas From jcunning at cunning.ods.org Thu Oct 28 19:25:23 2010 From: jcunning at cunning.ods.org (Jim Cunning) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:25:23 -0700 Subject: Upgrade from 9.10 to 10.10 experiences Message-ID: <4CC9CE23.2010202@cunning.ods.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am currently running kubuntu 9.10 (amd64) and contemplating upgrading to 10.10. I recall seeing complaints about 10.04 and chose not to upgrade at the time. I'm wondering how stable 10.10 is and whether others have any comments or recommendations about things to do, avoid, or look out for in an upgrade to 10.10. Thanks, Jim Cunning -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzJziMACgkQUNDOODpQvpLhwQCeLABaIdKNkOJ2s7eBH4i7bWF8 l3IAnihHyoV0lhojxpfgXTte99EDI/YG =+B/G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 23:57:03 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:57:03 -0600 Subject: [lucid] how to mount USB storage with correct permissions? In-Reply-To: <201010280742.28534.rrumberger@web.de> References: <4CC88A10.4070009@gmail.com> <201010280742.28534.rrumberger@web.de> Message-ID: <4CCA0DCF.50900@gmail.com> Reinhold Rumberger said the following at 10/27/2010 11:42 PM : >> >> But the drives are marked as being owned by root, so I can't write >> to them. > > Actually, that's not true - they should be owned by user root and > group disk. Then, any user in the disk group can write to them. I'm sorry, but it *is* true: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2010-10-27 13:50 usb -> usb0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb3 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb5 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb6 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb7 > >> I tried changing the permissions on /dev/usb and /dev/usb0, > > What are those two supposed to be? They don't even exist here. > Well, they exist here, and that's what Kubuntu calls my drives (don't ask me why; I have no idea where it gets those names from). When I put a USB stick into the socket, the device notifier tells me that there's a new device in /media/usb. And, as I show above, that device is owned by root. And in particular only root can write to it, which is exactly the behaviour I observe (and can't change). >> but as >> soon as a drive is actually mounted, the permissions change back >> so that only root is allowed to write to the drive. > > Are they, perhaps, links to the actual device files? If so, the > permissions of the links are without consequence. I don't know what the actual device files are. Kubuntu doesn't mention any /dev file, just the /media files. Somewhere there must be some kind of mapping between the actual devices and the /media files, but I have no idea where that's located; anyway, the desktop seems only to mention the /media files so that's what I looked at. > >> What do I have to do so that when I insert a USB drive into a USB >> port I can, as an ordinary user, both read and write to the >> drive. > > Usually just make sure the user is in the disk group. (In the user > management module in system settings, make sure the user has the > "Access external storage devices automatically" privileges checked.) That is checked. FWIW, this all worked perfectly in every release all the way back to dapper, without my having to do anything at all. It's so frustrating when things that have worked for years are suddenly broken :-( Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 00:16:40 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 20:16:40 -0400 Subject: [lucid] how to mount USB storage with correct permissions? In-Reply-To: <4CCA0DCF.50900@gmail.com> References: <4CC88A10.4070009@gmail.com> <201010280742.28534.rrumberger@web.de> <4CCA0DCF.50900@gmail.com> Message-ID: What reinhold said is the proper way to do things (add yourself to the disk group). If the device ownership isn't correct, check the devfs config. You could also look at gid and uid options in mount and add that to fstab (as long as it always shows up as the same device). If you want some interesting reading, look at playing with hal (overkill). On Oct 28, 2010 7:58 PM, "D. R. Evans" wrote: > Reinhold Rumberger said the following at 10/27/2010 11:42 PM : > >>> >>> But the drives are marked as being owned by root, so I can't write >>> to them. >> >> Actually, that's not true - they should be owned by user root and >> group disk. Then, any user in the disk group can write to them. > > I'm sorry, but it *is* true: > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2010-10-27 13:50 usb -> usb0 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb0 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb1 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb2 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb3 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb4 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb5 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb6 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-10-27 13:50 usb7 > >> >>> I tried changing the permissions on /dev/usb and /dev/usb0, >> >> What are those two supposed to be? They don't even exist here. >> > > Well, they exist here, and that's what Kubuntu calls my drives (don't ask > me why; I have no idea where it gets those names from). When I put a USB > stick into the socket, the device notifier tells me that there's a new > device in /media/usb. And, as I show above, that device is owned by root. > And in particular only root can write to it, which is exactly the behaviour > I observe (and can't change). > >>> but as >>> soon as a drive is actually mounted, the permissions change back >>> so that only root is allowed to write to the drive. >> >> Are they, perhaps, links to the actual device files? If so, the >> permissions of the links are without consequence. > > I don't know what the actual device files are. Kubuntu doesn't mention any > /dev file, just the /media files. Somewhere there must be some kind of > mapping between the actual devices and the /media files, but I have no idea > where that's located; anyway, the desktop seems only to mention the /media > files so that's what I looked at. > >> >>> What do I have to do so that when I insert a USB drive into a USB >>> port I can, as an ordinary user, both read and write to the >>> drive. >> >> Usually just make sure the user is in the disk group. (In the user >> management module in system settings, make sure the user has the >> "Access external storage devices automatically" privileges checked.) > > That is checked. > > FWIW, this all worked perfectly in every release all the way back to > dapper, without my having to do anything at all. It's so frustrating when > things that have worked for years are suddenly broken :-( > > Doc > > -- > Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrumberger at web.de Fri Oct 29 00:42:17 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:42:17 +0200 Subject: [lucid] how to mount USB storage with correct permissions? In-Reply-To: <4CCA0DCF.50900@gmail.com> References: <4CC88A10.4070009@gmail.com> <201010280742.28534.rrumberger@web.de> <4CCA0DCF.50900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010290242.17757.rrumberger@web.de> On Friday 29 October 2010, D. R. Evans wrote: > Reinhold Rumberger said the following at 10/27/2010 11:42 PM : > >> But the drives are marked as being owned by root, so I can't > >> write to them. > > > > Actually, that's not true - they should be owned by user root > > and group disk. Then, any user in the disk group can write to > > them. > > I'm sorry, but it *is* true: Actually, I was talking about the device files. Having directories in /media means the USB drives are being mounted. If the directory isn't owned by your user, either the filesystem is native and owned by root (you didn't elaborate on this part, BTW), or it's been mounted by root (use the mount command to check). Do you have some strange automounter installed? > >> I tried changing the permissions on /dev/usb and /dev/usb0, I take it you actually meant /media/usb and /media/usb0, right? > > What are those two supposed to be? They don't even exist here. > > Well, they exist here, and that's what Kubuntu calls my drives > (don't ask me why; I have no idea where it gets those names > from). When I put a USB stick into the socket, the device > notifier tells me that there's a new device in /media/usb. No it doesn't. That's a directory, as per your ls output. Also, my device notifier only mentions the file system's name, not the directory in media or the device file. > And, > as I show above, that device is owned by root. I wish you'd actually check the device file - although I suspect that it's fine. > >> but as > >> soon as a drive is actually mounted, the permissions change > >> back so that only root is allowed to write to the drive. > > > > Are they, perhaps, links to the actual device files? If so, the > > permissions of the links are without consequence. > > I don't know what the actual device files are. You can check the output of either mount or df to link the directories in media to the device files. > >> What do I have to do so that when I insert a USB drive into a > >> USB port I can, as an ordinary user, both read and write to > >> the drive. > > > > Usually just make sure the user is in the disk group. (In the > > user management module in system settings, make sure the user > > has the "Access external storage devices automatically" > > privileges checked.) > > That is checked. Seeing as how you problem is with the initial mounting, this wouldn't be the cause. My guess is still some (malconfigured) automounter or strange entries in /etc/fstab (much less likely, but still a possibility). --Reinhold From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 02:28:57 2010 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:28:57 -0400 Subject: Upgrade from 9.10 to 10.10 experiences In-Reply-To: <4CC9CE23.2010202@cunning.ods.org> References: <4CC9CE23.2010202@cunning.ods.org> Message-ID: <1288319337.26575.27.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 12:25 -0700, Jim Cunning wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am currently running kubuntu 9.10 (amd64) and contemplating > upgrading to 10.10. I recall seeing complaints about 10.04 and chose > not to upgrade at the time. I'm wondering how stable 10.10 is and > whether others have any comments or recommendations about things to > do, avoid, or look out for in an upgrade to 10.10. It appears that 10.4 is more stable to me, but I installed 10.10 at our office in Raleigh and it works really well. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Oct 29 02:54:41 2010 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:54:41 -0700 Subject: Upgrade from 9.10 to 10.10 experiences In-Reply-To: <1288319337.26575.27.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4CC9CE23.2010202@cunning.ods.org> <1288319337.26575.27.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <201010281954.42326.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:28:57 pm Ric Moore wrote: > On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 12:25 -0700, Jim Cunning wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I am currently running kubuntu 9.10 (amd64) and contemplating > > upgrading to 10.10. I recall seeing complaints about 10.04 and chose > > not to upgrade at the time. I'm wondering how stable 10.10 is and > > whether others have any comments or recommendations about things to > > do, avoid, or look out for in an upgrade to 10.10. > > It appears that 10.4 is more stable to me, but I installed 10.10 at our > office in Raleigh and it works really well. Ric Yes, 10.04 is more stable but like you I have installed several 10.10 machines for people and they all say they are "very usable". Most of my Lawyers opted to continue with 10.04 because of the LTS status and to be honest that is what we did for the church computers as well for the same reason. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 03:45:41 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 05:45:41 +0200 Subject: Upgrade from 9.10 to 10.10 experiences In-Reply-To: <201010281954.42326.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <4CC9CE23.2010202@cunning.ods.org> <1288319337.26575.27.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010281954.42326.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <4CCA4365.8060207@gmail.com> On 29/10/2010 04:54, Pastor JW wrote: > On Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:28:57 pm Ric Moore wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 12:25 -0700, Jim Cunning wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> I am currently running kubuntu 9.10 (amd64) and contemplating >>> upgrading to 10.10. I recall seeing complaints about 10.04 and chose >>> not to upgrade at the time. I'm wondering how stable 10.10 is and >>> whether others have any comments or recommendations about things to >>> do, avoid, or look out for in an upgrade to 10.10. >> >> It appears that 10.4 is more stable to me, but I installed 10.10 at our >> office in Raleigh and it works really well. Ric > > Yes, 10.04 is more stable but like you I have installed several 10.10 machines > for people and they all say they are "very usable". Most of my Lawyers opted > to continue with 10.04 because of the LTS status and to be honest that is what > we did for the church computers as well for the same reason. > Well I would say stay on 9.10 unless you have any special reason (new hardware etc) to want to upgrade. There is some eyecandy and so on that differs but as functionality goes I have fond memories of 9.10 Having said that I am happier with 10.10 than I was with 10.04 Had to upgrade kernel to a "mainline" version though due to a kernelbug that among other things prevented hibernation From kassube at gmx.net Fri Oct 29 06:57:47 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:57:47 +0200 Subject: [lucid] how to mount USB storage with correct permissions? In-Reply-To: References: <4CC88A10.4070009@gmail.com> <4CCA0DCF.50900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010290857.47228.kassube@gmx.net> shawn wilson wrote: > What reinhold said is the proper way to do things (add yourself to > the disk group). No, adding someone to the disk group is NOT the proper way. If I were a member of that group I could by mistake wipe entire disks with any command that would write to the device file of the disk / partition even without the use of sudo. The permissions for access to files on the disk MUST be handled by the kernel after mounting the partition. Nils From bqz69 at telia.com Fri Oct 29 12:59:24 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Why is kmail using so much cpu power Message-ID: I am using 10.10. I can se, that from time to time my computer is working very hard. When I run top I can se that it is kmail who is using 100-108 % cpu power. How can I avoid that? From rrumberger at web.de Fri Oct 29 14:04:21 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:04:21 +0200 Subject: [lucid] how to mount USB storage with correct permissions? In-Reply-To: <201010290857.47228.kassube@gmx.net> References: <4CC88A10.4070009@gmail.com> <201010290857.47228.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <201010291604.22092.rrumberger@web.de> On Friday 29 October 2010, Nils Kassube wrote: > shawn wilson wrote: > > What reinhold said is the proper way to do things (add yourself > > to the disk group). > > No, adding someone to the disk group is NOT the proper way. If I > were a member of that group I could by mistake wipe entire disks > with any command that would write to the device file of the disk > / partition even without the use of sudo. The permissions for > access to files on the disk MUST be handled by the kernel after > mounting the partition. +1 The adding the user to the disk group would have been a desperate effort to get the permissions to mount, but seeing as how that isn't the problem, this isn't necessary. Just to be clear, the accessing external devices privileges thing is the plugdev group - members of the disk group can do pretty much anything to any attached disk, including the hard drive Linux is running on. Sorry for any confusion. --Reinhold From gheskett at wdtv.com Fri Oct 29 14:12:49 2010 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:12:49 -0400 Subject: Why is kmail using so much cpu power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010291012.49709.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Friday, October 29, 2010 10:05:26 am user1 did opine: > I am using 10.10. > > I can se, that from time to time my computer is working very hard. > > When I run top I can se that it is kmail who is using 100-108 % cpu > power. > > How can I avoid that? If you find out how, please post the solution. What it is I believe, is kmail rebuilding its indices, and it seems to be made worse and more frequent when the mail is incoming in a fairly busy stream. Here, kmail does not do the mail sucking, I use fetchmail for that, and procmail for the Spamassassin handling, so all kmail needs to do is pull it from /var/spool/mail/user and sort to the folders. If it had to do all of fetchmail/procmail/spamassassin stuff, it would be frozen and unusable for extended periods of time when it was doing the mail pulling. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) One tree to rule them all, One tree to find them, One tree to bring them all, and to itself bind them. -- Gavin Koch From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Fri Oct 29 15:54:03 2010 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Wootton) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:54:03 +0100 Subject: [lucid] how to mount USB storage with correct permissions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CCAEE1B.5090907@btinternet.com> On 29/10/10 15:08, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > On Friday 29 October 2010, Nils Kassube wrote: > >> > shawn wilson wrote: >> >>> > > What reinhold said is the proper way to do things (add yourself >>> > > to the disk group). >>> >> > >> > No, adding someone to the disk group is NOT the proper way. If I >> > were a member of that group I could by mistake wipe entire disks >> > with any command that would write to the device file of the disk >> > / partition even without the use of sudo. The permissions for >> > access to files on the disk MUST be handled by the kernel after >> > mounting the partition. >> > +1 > The adding the user to the disk group would have been a desperate > effort to get the permissions to mount, but seeing as how that isn't > the problem, this isn't necessary. > > Just to be clear, the accessing external devices privileges thing is > the plugdev group - members of the disk group can do pretty much > anything to any attached disk, including the hard drive Linux is > running on. Sorry for any confusion. > > --Reinhold > > > Being simple minded I would(as root) create a directory in the memory stick, or whatever it is, chown+chgrp the directory to $USER and tell $USER where he or she could write to on that stick. brian From rrumberger at web.de Fri Oct 29 16:02:54 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:02:54 +0200 Subject: [lucid] how to mount USB storage with correct permissions? In-Reply-To: <4CCAEE1B.5090907@btinternet.com> References: <4CCAEE1B.5090907@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <201010291802.57333.rrumberger@web.de> On Friday 29 October 2010, Brian Wootton wrote: > Being simple minded I would(as root) create a directory in the > memory stick, or whatever it is, chown+chgrp the directory > to $USER and tell $USER where he or she could write to on > that stick. a) That doesn't really address the mounting issue - you don't want to have to involve root for every mount. plugdev means you have permission to mount - it doesn't say anything about permissions to write to the file system. b) Try changing permissions on you average run-of-the mill FAT- or NTFS-on-a-stick. --Reinhold From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 16:52:08 2010 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:52:08 -0600 Subject: [lucid] how to mount USB storage with correct permissions? In-Reply-To: <4CC88A10.4070009@gmail.com> References: <4CC88A10.4070009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CCAFBB8.6090600@gmail.com> My head just exploded... Having been following the thread as best I can, and seeing what looks like conflicting information, I decided that the best thing to do was to re-set the entire thread by removing usbmount (since that advice came from http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470705&page=4, not from here) thus getting the system back to its original state, and then start all over again... And of course, predictably, as soon as I removed usbmount magically the original problem (i.e., not receiving a notification when inserting USB drives) was gone. And all the permissions are fine. I have absolutely no idea how this can be. I guess I am glad that everything is now working, but I find the fragility that can lead to this sort of behaviour quite alarming. Thank you everyone for the advice and help. 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Evans wrote: > My head just exploded... > > Having been following the thread as best I can, and seeing what > looks like conflicting information, I decided that the best thing > to do was to re-set the entire thread by removing usbmount (since > that advice came from > http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470705&page=4, > not from here) thus getting the system back to its original > state, and then start all over again... > > And of course, predictably, as soon as I removed usbmount > magically the original problem (i.e., not receiving a > notification when inserting USB drives) was gone. > > And all the permissions are fine. > > I have absolutely no idea how this can be. I guess I am glad that > everything is now working, but I find the fragility that can lead > to this sort of behaviour quite alarming. > > Thank you everyone for the advice and help. Actually, from what I read at http://usbmount.alioth.debian.org/, usbmount is likely what has been causing the particular issues you described. According to that page, the package is unmaintained. That would have been one heck of a good reason to not install it in the first place, btw. If you want to do some good, you could open a bug report on launchpad and describe your problems, perhaps linking to this thread. With any luck, the package will then get thrown out of the repos, stopping unsuspecting users like yourself from being confused by its outdated behaviour. BTW, some USB devices are just dodgy. I have an external hard drive that won't register properly when I plug it into my USB hub, but works fine when I connect it directly to the computer. Then again, it will register on the next boot/after I turn off power to it for a couple of hours. Should your USB device not show at some point in the future, you may try removing it, executing "tail -f /var/log/messages" and plugging it in. If you see any errors being displayed relating to something to do with USB, you likely have such a dodgy device. Try using other USB ports, or - if that doesn't work - try again later. --Reinhold From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 18:22:18 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:22:18 +0200 Subject: Why is kmail using so much cpu power In-Reply-To: <201010291012.49709.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201010291012.49709.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <4CCB10DA.6030107@gmail.com> On 29/10/2010 16:12, gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, October 29, 2010 10:05:26 am user1 did opine: > >> I am using 10.10. >> >> I can se, that from time to time my computer is working very hard. >> >> When I run top I can se that it is kmail who is using 100-108 % cpu >> power. >> >> How can I avoid that? > > If you find out how, please post the solution. > What I have seen of late is that if mail fetching "gets stuck" at one or more accounts (I have 5 in my Kontact/KMail) then KMail chews around 25% of CPU while it "trying". If I cancel the fetch or it timeouts KMail basically use nothing again. This I have noticed also since Kubuntu 10.10, am now on KMail 1.13.5 Regards, Sinclair From ilkyest at pop.com.br Fri Oct 29 20:39:49 2010 From: ilkyest at pop.com.br (ilkyest at pop.com.br) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:39:49 -0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <201010271247.54264.kassube@gmx.net> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <1288148110.20054.362.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <20101027080519.12833m4me199kiu7@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010271247.54264.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20101029183949.91492at82klrvcph@wajax.pop.com.br> Thanks by the answers pals. But.... My channels don't appears on kmix. It was the firs thing I did. ----- Mensagem de kassube at gmx.net --------- Data: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:47:54 +0200 De: Nils Kassube Responder para: Kubuntu user technical support Assunto: Re: Kmix issues. May you help? Para: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: >> OK. but. I've compiled XMMS, and it show my audio channels. Just kmix >> that doesn't. >> >> About pavucontrol I don't use pulse audio, 'cause it's works until >> now without pulse. > > Well, I thought you were using pulse audio because it is the default for > Maverick. Anyway, did you try to add the missing channels to the kmix > page? Click on the kmix icon in the panel (loudspeaker) and then click > on the "Mixer" button. That should give you a mixer window with several > channels. Now select "Configure Channels ?" in the "settings" menu. > There you should see the missing channels on the left side (Available > channels) and you can drag them to the right side (Visible channels). > Then click on OK. > > > Nils > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > ----- Final da mensagem de kassube at gmx.net ----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ilkyest at pop.com.br Fri Oct 29 20:47:55 2010 From: ilkyest at pop.com.br (ilkyest at pop.com.br) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:47:55 -0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <1288225084.20823.100.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010271247.54264.kassube@gmx.net> <1288201747.20823.71.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010272032.28233.kassube@gmx.net> <1288225084.20823.100.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <20101029184755.5432262c8jo4oxdn@wajax.pop.com.br> Hey guys, No fight 'cause me ok? Let's go. until karmic, I could see these channels. on 10.04, I don't know, I haven't tried. On arch, debian lenny, ubuntu others (I didn't use ubuntu maverick), kubuntu, others than maverick, mandriva, distros I've tested, all of them appears. Just kubuntu maverick that doesn't. One distro that haven't appears these channels, that I've solved with alsa-config I DONT USE pulse audio. Just cause I haven't need it yet. What I'll do today is try download another ISO of kubuntu. And an ubuntu ISO. I'll try both of them. To who my issue works, I'll put (compiling or natively) KDE. Let's try ----- Mensagem de wayward4now at gmail.com --------- Data: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:18:04 -0400 De: Ric Moore Responder para: Kubuntu user technical support Assunto: Re: Kmix issues. May you help? Para: Kubuntu user technical support > On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 20:32 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: >> Ric Moore wrote: >> > On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 12:47 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: >> > > ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: >> > > > About pavucontrol I don't use pulse audio, 'cause it's works >> > > > until now without pulse. >> >> > If he has pulse installed, I would hesitate recommending anything >> > other than pavucontrol to control it's behavior, as there's is no >> > telling what will happen and the user falls further down the rabbit >> > hole. :) Ric >> >> IF he has pulse installed - but he hasn't according to what he wrote. > > I was thinking he had 10.10 installed now, that alsa worked in 10.4. > Common complaint. I went back into my trash folder and he's never said > what he's running. But, if he's got 10.10 then pavucontrol should fix > him up. It's been the stock answer to more than one newbie with 10.10 > installed, in just the few recent weeks. So, to ilkyest, what ARE you > running?? That might help us out, ya know. Ric > > > -- > My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: > "There are two Great Sins in the world... > ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. > Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. > Linux user# 44256 > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > ----- Final da mensagem de wayward4now at gmail.com ----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 21:00:15 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:00:15 +0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <20101029184755.5432262c8jo4oxdn@wajax.pop.com.br> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010271247.54264.kassube@gmx.net> <1288201747.20823.71.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <201010272032.28233.kassube@gmx.net> <1288225084.20823.100.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <20101029184755.5432262c8jo4oxdn@wajax.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <4CCB35DF.1020102@gmail.com> On 29/10/2010 22:47, ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > Hey guys, No fight 'cause me ok? > > Let's go. until karmic, I could see these channels. on 10.04, I don't > know, I haven't tried. > > On arch, debian lenny, ubuntu others (I didn't use ubuntu maverick), > kubuntu, others than maverick, mandriva, distros I've tested, all of > them appears. Just kubuntu maverick that doesn't. > There is one thing unclear to me: you say don't USE Pulseaudio. But in 10.10 Maverick it is INSTALLED by default and "takes over" from alsa. So unless you actively uninstalled PulseAudio you ARE using it. And then KMix is still a bit lacking or not clear enough on how to configure things. The "pavucontrol" sorted things out for me (muted microphones). So the query from me is: did you actively uninstall Pulseaudio? If not, see above. If you did - then Alsa should have "returned" and you should have found things much the same way as in Karmic or Lucid. And if you do not - then you have a problem I don't know how to fix. Kindly, Sinclair From valtermura at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 21:21:35 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:21:35 +0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <4CCB35DF.1020102@gmail.com> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <20101029184755.5432262c8jo4oxdn@wajax.pop.com.br> <4CCB35DF.1020102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010292321.36568.valtermura@gmail.com> In data venerdì 29 ottobre 2010 23:00:15, O. Sinclair ha scritto: > On 29/10/2010 22:47, ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > > Hey guys, No fight 'cause me ok? > > > > Let's go. until karmic, I could see these channels. on 10.04, I don't > > know, I haven't tried. > > > > On arch, debian lenny, ubuntu others (I didn't use ubuntu maverick), > > kubuntu, others than maverick, mandriva, distros I've tested, all of > > them appears. Just kubuntu maverick that doesn't. > > There is one thing unclear to me: you say don't USE Pulseaudio. But in > 10.10 Maverick it is INSTALLED by default and "takes over" from alsa. > > So unless you actively uninstalled PulseAudio you ARE using it. And then > KMix is still a bit lacking or not clear enough on how to configure > things. The "pavucontrol" sorted things out for me (muted microphones). > > So the query from me is: did you actively uninstall Pulseaudio? If not, > see above. If you did - then Alsa should have "returned" and you should > have found things much the same way as in Karmic or Lucid. And if you do > not - then you have a problem I don't know how to fix. Yes, and please give a look also to this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-October/004796.html Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 21:39:19 2010 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:39:19 +0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <201010292321.36568.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <20101029184755.5432262c8jo4oxdn@wajax.pop.com.br> <4CCB35DF.1020102@gmail.com> <201010292321.36568.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CCB3F07.2020006@gmail.com> On 29/10/2010 23:21, Valter Mura wrote: > In data venerdì 29 ottobre 2010 23:00:15, O. Sinclair ha scritto: > >> On 29/10/2010 22:47, ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: >>> Hey guys, No fight 'cause me ok? >>> >>> Let's go. until karmic, I could see these channels. on 10.04, I don't >>> know, I haven't tried. >>> >>> On arch, debian lenny, ubuntu others (I didn't use ubuntu maverick), >>> kubuntu, others than maverick, mandriva, distros I've tested, all of >>> them appears. Just kubuntu maverick that doesn't. >> >> There is one thing unclear to me: you say don't USE Pulseaudio. But in >> 10.10 Maverick it is INSTALLED by default and "takes over" from alsa. >> >> So unless you actively uninstalled PulseAudio you ARE using it. And then >> KMix is still a bit lacking or not clear enough on how to configure >> things. The "pavucontrol" sorted things out for me (muted microphones). >> >> So the query from me is: did you actively uninstall Pulseaudio? If not, >> see above. If you did - then Alsa should have "returned" and you should >> have found things much the same way as in Karmic or Lucid. And if you do >> not - then you have a problem I don't know how to fix. > > Yes, and please give a look also to this thread: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-October/004796.html > To me KMix does not cut the mustard with Pulseaudio. Like right now: I am not actively using my built-in mic any software. I check in KMix where is my microphone. I have a tab "capture devices" with a volume slider on it. End of story. "capture streams" is blank, makes sense I guess. Start Pavucontrol. In tab "Input Devices" I see my microphone very active represented by a "horisontal column" moving up and down. I can see that it is "Microphone 1" representing internal mic and not "input jack"-microphone. In KMix I just have a slider "Internal Audio analog stereo" in mentioned "Capture Devices" - does that mean anything to anyone? Not to me. If I start eg Skype and use the mic then in Pavucontrol the tab "Recording" contains the skype "channel". In KMix I have will have a "Capture Stream". To me Pavucontrol is simply more logical. But the BIG difference is I can see and control my 2 microphones, my 2 speaker outputs (built-in and jack to speakers/earphones) where as in KMix those are not reflected. Sinclair From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 22:46:12 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:46:12 -0400 Subject: konsole questions Message-ID: ok, a few annoyances with konsole that i'm hoping y'all can help me fix: 1. how do i get it to do copy / paste like gdm (i think it was called) on the console or like putty in windows? where you select and your text is immediately stored in your clipboard and you right click to paste from the clipboard. 2. how do i turn on system beeps from the konsole - i'd prefer that system beeps from the console come through the kde sound server instead of straight to the internal speaker. however, if i could get konsole to flash the screen (even if i'm not looking at konsole) or even just put a little message on the system tray - i don't care. 3. i suppose this isn't really a 'konsole' question (i just notice it then). however, i might have a full screen konsole, another one at default size (which is 'on top of others') and a MINIMIZED kwrite or kate window. when i alt+tab, it always wants to switch to the minimized task first. any way to say ' alt+tab to the tasks i last had focus on first' or something? thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After installation and reboot it > got to the user and log in page, entered my user name and password and > then started to proceed to the next page (with has a picture of a hard > drive) but then it returned to the log in page. Every time I tried > since after rebooting the same thing happens. As this is an old drive > I had not used for some time I thought the drive might be buggered so > I loaded Kubuntu 10.10 on my drive I use all the time beside XP Pro. > When I rebooted I got the same result. > > When I log in to XP Pro it does not recognise my old 40GB drive or the > partition on the 160GB drive. Is this normal? > > My only experience with computers is to sit down and use them, so I am > extremely new to this. > > I would appreciate any help to get started so I can get away from MS > Windows. > > Thank you, > > Harry. > I think you will get many replies, and welcome to Linux. Mostly, folks don't have all that much trouble getting the system up and running, and since you wound up with the same problem on two installations on different drives, I would suspect your source CD is defective. But to put to bed the possibility that something in the computer is a problem, (I assume from your description you're using the same computer with either HD), can you run the LIVE version of Kubuntu from the CD? If you can, then the computer should be OK to run Linux, and it takes it back to a defective install CD. Back to that in a moment. To answer your question: Windows cannot see partitions on a disk that are formatted in ext3 or ext4 (there are some Windows programs that will let you read and write to these file systems, but as it comes out of the box, Windows will not recognize them). Ext4 is almost certainly the file system Kubuntu has used to format the partitions, unless you somehow told it to use something else. (I don't remember how the installation is configured.) So yes, what you're seeing is normal. Back to the disk problem: When you download a new copy of the .iso and burn it to CD, use nothing faster than 2X to burn. Also, it may be safer (altho I have not seen the problem) if you can download the file using torrent. I am told that it is more resistant to errors. DO download a fresh copy, don't just burn another from what's on your drive now. These choices should give you a fair shot at getting a working install. While you're at it, 40 GB should be enough disk space for most reasonable uses of Kubuntu, but if you're going to be doing a lot of photo, video or sound work, you'll probably need something larger. Get the system working first, and get used to using it before worrying about disk size. Good luck. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By middle-click I mean click on the mouse wheel or if you don't have one, click both left and right simultaneously. > 2. how do i turn on system beeps from the konsole - i'd prefer that > system beeps from the console come through the kde sound server > instead of straight to the internal speaker. however, if i could get > konsole to flash the screen (even if i'm not looking at konsole) or > even just put a little message on the system tray - i don't care. Settings -> Configure notifications … Nils From kassube at gmx.net Sat Oct 30 06:55:30 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:55:30 +0200 Subject: Help to get started In-Reply-To: <9466352350444A59B4C4694D53051A73@HarryDesktop> References: <9466352350444A59B4C4694D53051A73@HarryDesktop> Message-ID: <201010300855.30355.kassube@gmx.net> Harry and Sandy wrote: > I have installed Kubuntu 10.10 from a live DVD to my Desktop on an > old 40GB drive which had Windows98 on it. After installation and > reboot it got to the user and log in page, entered my user name and > password and then started to proceed to the next page (with has a > picture of a hard drive) but then it returned to the log in page. > Every time I tried since after rebooting the same thing happens. As > this is an old drive I had not used for some time I thought the > drive might be buggered so I loaded Kubuntu 10.10 on my drive I use > all the time beside XP Pro. When I rebooted I got the same result. I suppose it is a problem with your graphics card, possibly together with desktop effects. A friend has a similar problem with KDE in 10.04 and we didn't find a solution until now, except using Gnome instead (i.e. Ubuntu instead of Kubuntu). If you don't fear to use the command line, you can save some download time if you only add the Gnome part to your current installation. That could be done if you use Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get a console (from the login screen). There you enter your user name and password to login. Then type this command: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop During the installation of the extra packages it will probably ask which desktop manager you want, gdm or kdm. I would suggest you keep kdm which is the current one. When it is finished, return to the login page with Ctrl-Alt-F7. At the login screen there is a blue icon with a down-arrow. Click on this icon and change the session type from KDE to Gnome. Then enter your password to login. Hopefully that will give you a desktop screen instead of returning to the login screen. I saw the other reply, and yes, burning the iso with slowest possible speed may be an option. OTOH, you might check the CD for errors from its boot menu before you burn another one. And if you download another one, I would suggest you try the Ubuntu version instead of the Kubuntu version, it might work better on your machine. Nils From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sat Oct 30 07:27:48 2010 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:27:48 +0100 Subject: konsole questions In-Reply-To: <201010300838.53889.kassube@gmx.net> References: <201010300838.53889.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <201010300827.49286.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Saturday 30 Oct 2010 07:38:53 Nils Kassube wrote: > shawn wilson wrote: > > 1. how do i get it to do copy / paste like gdm (i think it was > > called) on the console or like putty in windows? where you select > > and your text is immediately stored in your clipboard and you right > > click to paste from the clipboard. > > You can mark a text with your mouse and then right-click and select > "copy". Then you can right-click again and select "paste". The second > option would be to mark the text and then paste it directly with a > middle-click. By middle-click I mean click on the mouse wheel or if you > don't have one, click both left and right simultaneously. You can also use ctrl-shift-c to copy and ctrl-shift-v to paste. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valtermura at gmail.com Sat Oct 30 08:24:38 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:24:38 +0200 Subject: Kmix issues. May you help? In-Reply-To: <4CCB3F07.2020006@gmail.com> References: <20101026181429.11014cwz804dodd1@wajax.pop.com.br> <201010292321.36568.valtermura@gmail.com> <4CCB3F07.2020006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201010301024.39097.valtermura@gmail.com> In data venerdì 29 ottobre 2010 23:39:19, O. Sinclair ha scritto: > On 29/10/2010 23:21, Valter Mura wrote: > > In data venerdì 29 ottobre 2010 23:00:15, O. Sinclair ha scritto: > >> On 29/10/2010 22:47, ilkyest at pop.com.br wrote: > >>> Hey guys, No fight 'cause me ok? > >>> > >>> Let's go. until karmic, I could see these channels. on 10.04, I don't > >>> know, I haven't tried. > >>> > >>> On arch, debian lenny, ubuntu others (I didn't use ubuntu maverick), > >>> kubuntu, others than maverick, mandriva, distros I've tested, all of > >>> them appears. Just kubuntu maverick that doesn't. > >> > >> There is one thing unclear to me: you say don't USE Pulseaudio. But in > >> 10.10 Maverick it is INSTALLED by default and "takes over" from alsa. > >> > >> So unless you actively uninstalled PulseAudio you ARE using it. And then > >> KMix is still a bit lacking or not clear enough on how to configure > >> things. The "pavucontrol" sorted things out for me (muted microphones). > >> > >> So the query from me is: did you actively uninstall Pulseaudio? If not, > >> see above. If you did - then Alsa should have "returned" and you should > >> have found things much the same way as in Karmic or Lucid. And if you do > >> not - then you have a problem I don't know how to fix. > > > > Yes, and please give a look also to this thread: > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-October/004796.html > > To me KMix does not cut the mustard with Pulseaudio. Like right now: I > am not actively using my built-in mic any software. I cannot answer here because I haven't built-in mic, I have an old desktop with an input jack. In few days, I'm going to upgrade my video card to improve performance, please cross your fingers together with me... :-) > > I check in KMix where is my microphone. I have a tab "capture devices" > with a volume slider on it. End of story. "capture streams" is blank, > makes sense I guess. > > Start Pavucontrol. In tab "Input Devices" I see my microphone very > active represented by a "horisontal column" moving up and down. > I can see that it is "Microphone 1" representing internal mic and not > "input jack"-microphone. > > In KMix I just have a slider "Internal Audio analog stereo" in mentioned > "Capture Devices" - does that mean anything to anyone? Not to me. > > If I start eg Skype and use the mic then in Pavucontrol the tab > "Recording" contains the skype "channel". In KMix I have will have a > "Capture Stream". > > To me Pavucontrol is simply more logical. But the BIG difference is I > can see and control my 2 microphones, my 2 speaker outputs (built-in and > jack to speakers/earphones) where as in KMix those are not reflected. Your description is exactly the same I experienced, but I have to say that when KMix was based on alsa, it works same as pavucontrol, I had many configurable channels and no problems with software and devices, it only required some tuning. My modest opinion is that Kubuntu Devs decided to "force" introduction of pulseaudio following the way "Ubuntu/Gnome" already done. But while Gnome and sound-related software are ready for it, KDE and, especially, KMix don't. I suppose, hope, the latter is still under heavy development to solve this issue. In other words, if I needed an OS for a production environment different from informatics (let's say, an attorney, a customer care service, a shipping agency, a butcher, a housewife, a grandma, etc.), I, sadly, wouldn't choose Kubuntu. Normal people cannot (I'd say, "are not able to) "fight" with these little (for somebody) issues. This is not an "user-friendly" way to think. And Kubuntu, for a successful vision and future, must tend to normal people. I also don't think that Kubuntu is the "little" brother of Ubuntu, because, even if I'm not very experienced in this field, I still consider KDE better that Gnome. While I'm collaborating with Kubuntu, in the area I can give a help, my next step is to try other KDE-based distros to check these issues and better understand differences. Ciao -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From ateke.groups at gmail.com Sat Oct 30 12:56:59 2010 From: ateke.groups at gmail.com (Abdullah Teke) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:56:59 +0300 Subject: Problem installing wmware-tools on kubuntu 10.10 maverick guest os. Message-ID: Hi; Today i installed kubuntu 10.10 maverick to my vmware as guest os. And then try to install vmware-tools on it. Before that i upgraded all packages then installed build-essential, gcc and linux-headers. When i run ./vmware-install.pl i got this error. "The header path is not valid" I changed path both "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.35.22-generic/include" and "/lib/modules/2.6.35.22-generic/include" and also tried variation of possibilities. Both message didnt changed. So compiling was unsuccessfull. Is there any body that show this error before. -- Abdullah Teke ================= Tel    : 0 555 337 21 89 MSN  : abdullahteke at hotmail.com ICQ   : 164500674 Web  : www.abdullahteke.com From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Sat Oct 30 19:35:43 2010 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Wootton) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:35:43 +0100 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 69, Issue 45 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CCC738F.8070509@btinternet.com> On 29/10/10 21:48, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > a) That doesn't really address the mounting issue - you don't want to > have to involve root for every mount. plugdev means you have > permission to mount - it doesn't say anything about permissions to > write to the file system. > b) Try changing permissions on you average run-of-the mill FAT- or > NTFS-on-a-stick. > > --Reinhold > > Of course you are right, I now get the point of the query. I have an NTFS stick and anybody can copy/delete anything on it at any time it's been automounted - that's very much worth remembering for the future. I've already got my username in /etc/group: plugdev, I've not added it, never been sure what plugdev did anyway. brian From rrumberger at web.de Sat Oct 30 23:03:09 2010 From: rrumberger at web.de (Reinhold Rumberger) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 01:03:09 +0200 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 69, Issue 45 In-Reply-To: <4CCC738F.8070509@btinternet.com> References: <4CCC738F.8070509@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <201010310103.11787.rrumberger@web.de> On Saturday 30 October 2010, Brian Wootton wrote: > On 29/10/10 21:48, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > > a) That doesn't really address the mounting issue - you don't > > want to have to involve root for every mount. plugdev means you > > have permission to mount - it doesn't say anything about > > permissions to write to the file system. > > b) Try changing permissions on you average run-of-the mill FAT- > > or NTFS-on-a-stick. > > Of course you are right, I now get the point of the query. I have > an NTFS stick and anybody can copy/delete anything on it at any > time it's been automounted - that's very much worth remembering > for the future. I'm not quite sure, but I believe that is only true for the user who automounted it. OTHO, on Windows, anyone can read and write to it (and, most of the time, mount it). Even ext2/3/4 only remember the user's ID, so if a user with a different UID tries to access it, be that on the same or a different machine, they won't be allowed to. This has the fun side effect that you may not be able to access your own data on a different machine, while some random other user can. But that is a different matter and fun for some other day. The thing to remember is that unencrypted data on a stick is never secure outside a safe. > I've already got my username in /etc/group: plugdev, It usually is, which is why, on a default install, you can automount stuff right away. If you can, however, *not* automount, this is something to check... > I've not > added it, never been sure what plugdev did anyway. Well, you know now... ;-) --Reinhold From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 06:00:02 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 02:00:02 -0400 Subject: konsole questions In-Reply-To: <201010300827.49286.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <201010300838.53889.kassube@gmx.net> <201010300827.49286.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: thanks yall. ctrl+alt+c/v was getting old but the middle click works almost perfectly (almost because i still would like the gpm function that whenever something is selected - it's in the clipboard). and i totally missed the 'configure notifications'. On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Mark Fraser wrote: > On Saturday 30 Oct 2010 07:38:53 Nils Kassube wrote: > > > shawn wilson wrote: > > > > 1. how do i get it to do copy / paste like gdm (i think it was > > > > called) on the console or like putty in windows? where you select > > > > and your text is immediately stored in your clipboard and you right > > > > click to paste from the clipboard. > > > > > > You can mark a text with your mouse and then right-click and select > > > "copy". Then you can right-click again and select "paste". The second > > > option would be to mark the text and then paste it directly with a > > > middle-click. By middle-click I mean click on the mouse wheel or if you > > > don't have one, click both left and right simultaneously. > > You can also use ctrl-shift-c to copy and ctrl-shift-v to paste. > > -- > > Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Sun Oct 31 06:03:33 2010 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 02:03:33 -0400 Subject: Losing mouse pointer in non-Kubuntu KDE system Message-ID: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> This is OT for Kubuntu, but you guys are into KDE, so I'll ask, because I'm more likely to get a quick, usable response here. (Have tried the PCLinuxOs forum with no answer.) This is PCLOS 2010. The system runs KDE 4.4.5, I believe. Every so often, I wake the system up and the mouse pointer is missing, and so far as I know, the mouse is non-functional. I can get to a command line with ALT-F2. Is there a command that will start the mouse back up, and if so, what is it? (I have tried /etc/.rcsysinit, but it didn't do anything I could determine.) Thanx. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley From ag4ve.us at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 06:09:21 2010 From: ag4ve.us at gmail.com (shawn wilson) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 02:09:21 -0400 Subject: Problem installing wmware-tools on kubuntu 10.10 maverick guest os. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i've only run esx (which just mounts an img or iso and lets you take care of the rest). i presume you're referring to osx or server or whatever they call it now? i think vmware provides their 'tools' on their website and *i think* it's one size fits all here. so, you might try looking for the vmware tools debian package on their web site. also, a quick google gets you this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Tools On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Abdullah Teke wrote: > Hi; > Today i installed kubuntu 10.10 maverick to my vmware as guest os. And > then try to install vmware-tools on it. Before that i upgraded all > packages then installed build-essential, gcc and linux-headers. When i > run ./vmware-install.pl i got this error. "The header path is not > valid" I changed path both > "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.35.22-generic/include" and > "/lib/modules/2.6.35.22-generic/include" and also tried variation of > possibilities. Both message didnt changed. So compiling was > unsuccessfull. Is there any body that show this error before. > > -- > Abdullah Teke > ================= > Tel : 0 555 337 21 89 > MSN : abdullahteke at hotmail.com > ICQ : 164500674 > Web : www.abdullahteke.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sun Oct 31 06:39:44 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 07:39:44 +0100 Subject: Losing mouse pointer in non-Kubuntu KDE system In-Reply-To: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> References: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> Message-ID: <201010310739.44634.kassube@gmx.net> Doug wrote: > This is OT for Kubuntu, but you guys are into KDE, so I'll ask, > because I'm more likely to get a quick, usable response here. (Have > tried the PCLinuxOs forum with no answer.) This is PCLOS 2010. > > The system runs KDE 4.4.5, I believe. You can check the KDE version in every KDE application with Help -> About KDE > Every so often, I wake the > system up and the mouse pointer is missing, and so far as I know, > the mouse is non-functional. I can get to a command line with > ALT-F2. Is there a command that will start the mouse back up, and > if so, what is it? I don't know such a command, sorry. But what do you mean with "wake the system up"? Do you mean from suspend mode or from the screen saver? If you mean "from suspend mode", I think it is not a problem of KDE but more likely a problem of your xorg driver which doesn't handle suspend well. If it is the screen saver, I'm not so sure which part of the system is the culprit. Anyway, if you are talking about a USB mouse, you could try to unplug the mouse instead of a terminal command. After you replug it, it should work again. Nils From valtermura at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 07:37:52 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:37:52 +0100 Subject: Losing mouse pointer in non-Kubuntu KDE system In-Reply-To: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> References: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> Message-ID: <201010310837.52612.valtermura@gmail.com> In data domenica 31 ottobre 2010 07:03:33, Doug ha scritto: > This is OT for Kubuntu, but you guys are into KDE, so I'll ask, because > I'm more likely to get a quick, usable response here. (Have tried the > PCLinuxOs forum with no answer.) This is PCLOS 2010. > > The system runs KDE 4.4.5, I believe. Every so often, I wake the system > up and the mouse pointer is missing, and so far as I know, the mouse > is non-functional. I can get to a command line with ALT-F2. Is there > a command that will start the mouse back up, and if so, what is it? > (I have tried /etc/.rcsysinit, but it didn't do anything I could > determine.) Last time I lost my mouse pointer was I activated "Desktop Effects" in Xrender Mode (not OpenGL). Have you activated desktop effetcs in this way? For system infos, run KInfocenter Regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From valtermura at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 07:40:59 2010 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:40:59 +0100 Subject: konsole questions In-Reply-To: References: <201010300827.49286.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <201010310841.00102.valtermura@gmail.com> In data domenica 31 ottobre 2010 07:00:02, shawn wilson ha scritto: > thanks yall. ctrl+alt+c/v was getting old but the middle click works almost > perfectly (almost because i still would like the gpm function that whenever > something is selected - it's in the clipboard). and i totally missed the > 'configure notifications'. And also in Konsole > Settings > Configure shortcuts you can tune the app as you prefer. -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From gcsgcatling at bigpond.com Sun Oct 31 08:20:57 2010 From: gcsgcatling at bigpond.com (GeraldCC) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:20:57 +1000 Subject: Losing mouse pointer in non-Kubuntu KDE system In-Reply-To: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> References: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> Message-ID: <201010311820.58264.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> On Sunday, October 31, 2010 04:03:33 pm Doug wrote: > This is OT for Kubuntu, but you guys are into KDE, so I'll ask, because > I'm more likely to get a quick, usable response here. (Have tried the > PCLinuxOs forum with no answer.) This is PCLOS 2010. > > The system runs KDE 4.4.5, I believe. Every so often, I wake the system > up and the mouse pointer is missing, and so far as I know, the mouse > is non-functional. I can get to a command line with ALT-F2. Is there > a command that will start the mouse back up, and if so, what is it? > (I have tried /etc/.rcsysinit, but it didn't do anything I could > determine.) > > Thanx. --doug Hi Doug, I am glad to hear that I am not the only one as far as getting useful replies from the list!! I have one machine and although new has a problem in that area. I installed a mylivecd created on another machine, but although it installed properly, after the reboot it worked for a while but when the KVM switch switched from that machine to another and then back again the mouse/keyboard did not work. So I started with a new PCLinuxOS 2010.10 and worked with that for a while. then did an upgrade.. Test that for a while. If all works,for you, well your home and dry. If you require further help mail me directly!! Gerald From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Sun Oct 31 08:21:37 2010 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 04:21:37 -0400 Subject: Losing mouse pointer in non-Kubuntu KDE system In-Reply-To: <201010310739.44634.kassube@gmx.net> References: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> <201010310739.44634.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4CCD2711.9030808@optonline.net> On 10/31/2010 02:39 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Doug wrote: > >> This is OT for Kubuntu, but you guys are into KDE, so I'll ask, >> because I'm more likely to get a quick, usable response here. (Have >> tried the PCLinuxOs forum with no answer.) This is PCLOS 2010. >> >> The system runs KDE 4.4.5, I believe. >> > You can check the KDE version in every KDE application with > > Help -> About KDE > > >> Every so often, I wake the >> system up and the mouse pointer is missing, and so far as I know, >> the mouse is non-functional. I can get to a command line with >> ALT-F2. Is there a command that will start the mouse back up, and >> if so, what is it? >> > I don't know such a command, sorry. But what do you mean with "wake the > system up"? Do you mean from suspend mode or from the screen saver? If > you mean "from suspend mode", I think it is not a problem of KDE but > more likely a problem of your xorg driver which doesn't handle suspend > well. If it is the screen saver, I'm not so sure which part of the > system is the culprit. > > Anyway, if you are talking about a USB mouse, you could try to unplug > the mouse instead of a terminal command. After you replug it, it should > work again. > > > Nils > > Well, the program that shuts the machine down is the screen saver, but what it actually does, I don't know. (It's not 100% reliable--every so often I have to reset it--it says the daemon has stopped working.) Apparently that help command doesn't work here, or I have to be in a different directory, or something. However, I found this: /tmp/kdecache-doug/help/en__kcontrol__solid-device-automounter__index.docbook Which seems to be a description of how the system handles plug-in devices. I'll have to try and follow it up. (The first line reads"Systemsettings automount device" and more--it resists cut-and-paste.) I'll try the unplug and replug; if that works, I'll have to plug the thing in the front of the machine. Of course, it's not something I can test on demand--I have to wait until it fails, which could be days. Thanx for the input, Nils. At least I seem to have a couple of starting points. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Sun Oct 31 08:38:57 2010 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 04:38:57 -0400 Subject: Losing mouse pointer in non-Kubuntu KDE system In-Reply-To: <201010310837.52612.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> <201010310837.52612.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CCD2B21.2060700@optonline.net> On 10/31/2010 03:37 AM, Valter Mura wrote: > In data domenica 31 ottobre 2010 07:03:33, Doug ha scritto: > > >> This is OT for Kubuntu, but you guys are into KDE, so I'll ask, because >> I'm more likely to get a quick, usable response here. (Have tried the >> PCLinuxOs forum with no answer.) This is PCLOS 2010. >> >> The system runs KDE 4.4.5, I believe. Every so often, I wake the system >> up and the mouse pointer is missing, and so far as I know, the mouse >> is non-functional. I can get to a command line with ALT-F2. Is there >> a command that will start the mouse back up, and if so, what is it? >> (I have tried /etc/.rcsysinit, but it didn't do anything I could >> determine.) >> > Last time I lost my mouse pointer was I activated "Desktop Effects" in Xrender > Mode (not OpenGL). Have you activated desktop effetcs in this way? > > For system infos, run KInfocenter > > Regards, > Multe gratie, Signore! I will pursue KInfocenter. (Please don't reply in Italian--I've about used mine up!) I will have to look for Xrender. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Sun Oct 31 08:50:41 2010 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 04:50:41 -0400 Subject: Losing mouse pointer in non-Kubuntu KDE system In-Reply-To: <201010311820.58264.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> References: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> <201010311820.58264.gcsgcatling@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <4CCD2DE1.1030009@optonline.net> On 10/31/2010 04:20 AM, GeraldCC wrote: > On Sunday, October 31, 2010 04:03:33 pm Doug wrote: > >> This is OT for Kubuntu, but you guys are into KDE, so I'll ask, because >> I'm more likely to get a quick, usable response here. (Have tried the >> PCLinuxOs forum with no answer.) This is PCLOS 2010. >> >> The system runs KDE 4.4.5, I believe. Every so often, I wake the system >> up and the mouse pointer is missing, and so far as I know, the mouse >> is non-functional. I can get to a command line with ALT-F2. Is there >> a command that will start the mouse back up, and if so, what is it? >> (I have tried /etc/.rcsysinit, but it didn't do anything I could >> determine.) >> >> Thanx. --doug >> > Hi Doug, > I am glad to hear that I am not the only one as far as getting useful replies > from the list!! > I have one machine and although new has a problem in that area. > I installed a mylivecd created on another machine, but although it installed > properly, after the reboot it worked for a while but when the KVM switch > switched from that machine to another and then back again the mouse/keyboard > did not work. > So I started with a new PCLinuxOS 2010.10 and worked with that for a while. > then did an upgrade.. Test that for a while. If all works,for you, well your > home and dry. > If you require further help mail me directly!! > Gerald > > I have (had?) PcLOs on two machines--this one, which has the mousepointer problem, and a laptop, which, when I tried to upgrade, crashed and burned. I can salvage the original, but I'm not sure about putting 2010.10 on it--I think that's when everything went to hell, but I can try it one more time. When I inquired of the Forum about problems with upgrade, someone replied that I was supposed to have done an upgrade every week, which not knowing any better, I never did. Since it's gone now anyway, I'll try '.10 again and see what happens. The problem is I have XP and 2 other Linuxes on that machine, and I don't want to lose everything. (I actually have a complete backup made about the end of September, so all is not completely lost, no matter what happens.) --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley From kassube at gmx.net Sun Oct 31 09:47:12 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:47:12 +0100 Subject: Losing mouse pointer in non-Kubuntu KDE system In-Reply-To: <4CCD2711.9030808@optonline.net> References: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> <201010310739.44634.kassube@gmx.net> <4CCD2711.9030808@optonline.net> Message-ID: <201010311047.12054.kassube@gmx.net> Doug wrote: > On 10/31/2010 02:39 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > > You can check the KDE version in every KDE application with > > > > Help -> About KDE > > Apparently that help command doesn't work here, or I have to be in a > different > directory, or something. Well, that is not really a command but it refers to the entry "About KDE" in the "Help" menu. Nils From harsan at whitsunday.net.au Sun Oct 31 11:14:20 2010 From: harsan at whitsunday.net.au (Harry and Sandy) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:14:20 +1000 Subject: Help to get started References: <9466352350444A59B4C4694D53051A73@HarryDesktop> <4CCBABD5.9020805@optonline.net> Message-ID: Good evening, Thank you Doug, Richard and Nils for your quick reply in trying to solve my problem. Nils, I tried using the command line as you suggested, but with no luck. So I have downloaded a new copy of the .iso using torrent and burned that to a DVD with a 2X burn as Doug suggested. I have ended up with the same result. But there are a couple of things that may provide a clue to what is happening. When I installed the first time as well as this time I got a message during the instillation as follows:- UBI-Console-setup crashed UBI-Console-setup failed with exit code 141. Further information may be found in /var/log syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken. I am then given the options to Retry, Ignore or Retry. I both cases I have hit Retry and then the installation moved on to the next step - Keyboard Layout like the problem is fixed. The other thing is in the Disk Setup page during the installation today showed:- Before /dev/sdbi /devsdb5 under the top bar After Kubuntu under the bottom bar This suggests to me that Kubuntu did not load during my attempts the other day and after the installation today I went into the installation process again after installing today and there is no sign of Kubuntu in the top bar as though it has still not loaded. The top bar on the Disk Setup page now reads;- Before /dev/sdbi /devsdb5 /dev/sdb6 I hope this gives a clearer picture of what may be going wrong. Also Richard, I would like to persist with Kubuntu 10.10 as we are going to upgrade our computer soon, but we would like this os on it if we can master it. But thanks for your suggestion of the alternative. Thanks again to you all, Harry. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Help to get started On 10/29/2010 11:34 PM, Harry and Sandy wrote: Hello, I have installed Kubuntu 10.10 from a live DVD to my Desktop on an old 40GB drive which had Windows98 on it. After installation and reboot it got to the user and log in page, entered my user name and password and then started to proceed to the next page (with has a picture of a hard drive) but then it returned to the log in page. Every time I tried since after rebooting the same thing happens. As this is an old drive I had not used for some time I thought the drive might be buggered so I loaded Kubuntu 10.10 on my drive I use all the time beside XP Pro. When I rebooted I got the same result. When I log in to XP Pro it does not recognise my old 40GB drive or the partition on the 160GB drive. Is this normal? My only experience with computers is to sit down and use them, so I am extremely new to this. I would appreciate any help to get started so I can get away from MS Windows. Thank you, Harry. I think you will get many replies, and welcome to Linux. Mostly, folks don't have all that much trouble getting the system up and running, and since you wound up with the same problem on two installations on different drives, I would suspect your source CD is defective. But to put to bed the possibility that something in the computer is a problem, (I assume from your description you're using the same computer with either HD), can you run the LIVE version of Kubuntu from the CD? If you can, then the computer should be OK to run Linux, and it takes it back to a defective install CD. Back to that in a moment. To answer your question: Windows cannot see partitions on a disk that are formatted in ext3 or ext4 (there are some Windows programs that will let you read and write to these file systems, but as it comes out of the box, Windows will not recognize them). Ext4 is almost certainly the file system Kubuntu has used to format the partitions, unless you somehow told it to use something else. (I don't remember how the installation is configured.) So yes, what you're seeing is normal. Back to the disk problem: When you download a new copy of the .iso and burn it to CD, use nothing faster than 2X to burn. Also, it may be safer (altho I have not seen the problem) if you can download the file using torrent. I am told that it is more resistant to errors. DO download a fresh copy, don't just burn another from what's on your drive now. These choices should give you a fair shot at getting a working install. While you're at it, 40 GB should be enough disk space for most reasonable uses of Kubuntu, but if you're going to be doing a lot of photo, video or sound work, you'll probably need something larger. Get the system working first, and get used to using it before worrying about disk size. Good luck. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sun Oct 31 12:10:24 2010 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:10:24 +0100 Subject: Help to get started In-Reply-To: References: <9466352350444A59B4C4694D53051A73@HarryDesktop> <4CCBABD5.9020805@optonline.net> Message-ID: <201010311310.24779.kassube@gmx.net> Harry and Sandy wrote: > Nils, I tried using the command line as you suggested, but with no > luck. > > So I have downloaded a new copy of the .iso using torrent and burned > that to a DVD with a 2X burn as Doug suggested. I have ended up with > the same result. OK, here's another one. Just yesterday I helped a friend to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.10 (via 10.04). After the upgrade was finished and the machine rebooted, the login page appeared but after login, there was no desktop. Instead the login page appeared again exactly like you described in your previous mail. Of course I don't know if your problem is related to that upgrade problem but after some searching I found out that the majority of the KDE packages were missing. After I installed the kubuntu-desktop package, the desktop was there. So you could go to the command line again from the login page with Ctrl-Alt-F2 and login. Then use the command sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and if it then downloads many extra packages you had probably the same problem that we had yesterday during the upgrade. > But there are a couple of things that may provide a clue to what is > happening. When I installed the first time as well as this time I > got a message during the instillation as follows:- > > UBI-Console-setup crashed > UBI-Console-setup failed with exit code 141. It seems you are not alone with this crash and it is an old bug which existed in 10.04 already: However I don't think it is related to your problem of the missing desktop. > The other thing is in the Disk Setup page during the installation > today showed:- > > Before > /dev/sdbi /devsdb5 > under the top bar > > After > Kubuntu > under the bottom bar > > This suggests to me that Kubuntu did not load during my attempts the > other day and after the installation today I went into the > installation process again after installing today and there is no > sign of Kubuntu in the top bar as though it has still not loaded. Yes, that really looks like at least something is missing which lets the installer see that there is a Kubuntu version installed already. And maybe that missing something is included in the kubuntu-desktop package. Nils From bqz69 at telia.com Sun Oct 31 18:11:52 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: How to get a white background and black text on meerkat 10.10 kde desktop Message-ID: I am using ubuntu meerkat 10.10 I had everything set up, and then I tried the new ubuntu netbook edition. I could not find out how to get at black text under the desktop icons in gnome netbook - I have managed to get a white background in the netbook. When I then went back to kde, the text under my desktop icons had changed colors, and the panel as well, so it was difficult to read. I find it difficult to setup my ubuntu, both gnome and kde as there are too many setup possibilities (that's just me who find it difficult I am sure). I want a simple desktop with white background and black text under the desktop icons, so everything stands out clear and simple. I do not know which theme to choose or do this color setup. I am writing lots of small notes, but my brain cannot remember all what I do - I need a simple setup manual. I managed in 10.04 after some help, but those instructions I got there do not work in 10.10. From rjlapham at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 18:27:56 2010 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:27:56 -0400 Subject: Losing mouse pointer in non-Kubuntu KDE system In-Reply-To: <201010310739.44634.kassube@gmx.net> References: <4CCD06B5.7040500@optonline.net> <201010310739.44634.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <201010311427.57057.rjlapham@gmail.com> On Sunday, October 31, 2010 02:39:44 am Nils Kassube wrote: > Doug wrote: ... > > Every so often, I wake the > > system up and the mouse pointer is missing, and so far as I know, > > the mouse is non-functional. ... > > Anyway, if you are talking about a USB mouse, you could try to unplug > the mouse instead of a terminal command. After you replug it, it should > work again. Also works with a PS/2 mouse. -Jerry ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Walk to Emmaus: Fueling station for a spirit-filled church From bqz69 at telia.com Sun Oct 31 19:17:19 2010 From: bqz69 at telia.com (user1) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: where can I get an overview over my kde setup in meerkat 10.10 Message-ID: I am using kde 4.5.1 og ubuntu 10.10, både gnome og kde. I tried to use ubuntu netbook edition and make som setup. When I came back to kde the setup had changed. Where can I get an overview about my kde setup (theme, style, font, color, text color of desktop icon, desktop theme etc). I have no control over my setup, as there is too much to change and too little documentation (I find *smile*) From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 20:18:33 2010 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:18:33 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio vs. Skype: no webcam mic Message-ID: I just acquired a Logitech C905 webcam, it produces video out of the box with Ubuntu (the reason that I bough it). However, I am having trouble getting the internal mic to work with Skype. The Skype configuration is set to accept input from PulseAudio (the only available choice). The Kmix mixer shows two Capture Devices (the regular 3.5 banana mic, and the webcam mic) however only the regular internal mic produces results. Both sliders are to the rightmost position (I checked to be sure that rightmost is Volume Up), and I have tried the four permutations of one having each device in mute/unmute mode. The 3.5 banana mic produces sound when it is enabled, regardless of the mute/unmute status of the webcam mic, and the webcam mic produces no sound, regardless of the status of the 3.5 banana mic. Googling the problem I see that people have solved the issue by removing or disabling Pulseaudio. I would rather keep Pulseaudio and fix the problem as I intend to use other Pulseaudio features in the future. Thanks for any ideas. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 20:19:41 2010 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:19:41 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio vs. Skype: no webcam mic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I forgot to mention, Kubuntu 10.10 32 bit: ✈dcl:~$ lsusb | grep Logitech Bus 001 Device 006: ID 046d:080a Logitech, Inc. Portable Webcam C905 ✈dcl:~$ uname -a Linux dcl 2.6.35-22-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 16 20:36:48 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux ✈dcl:~$ -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 21:32:13 2010 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:32:13 +0100 Subject: Pulseaudio vs. Skype: no webcam mic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dotan there is some very odd way to fix this problem but I can't remember how. It is something about getting Skype recording and then changing the input with another sound program. Found it (I think). Start up a test call in skype and when it starts recording look in the recording tab of the Pulse Audio Volume Control program for a setting that works for you. For me it was "0809 analog mono". That is the setting that is needed on my computer but not on the one that I learned the trick from. The tab is almost blank if the skype program is not recording at the time you look at it. Hope this works for you. BTW baby is still going strong! Thanks for the naming help. -- Douglas E Knapp Creative Commons Film Group, Helping people make open source movies with open source software! http://douglas.bespin.org/CommonsFilmGroup/phpBB3/index.php Massage in Gelsenkirchen-Buer: http://douglas.bespin.org/tcm/ztab1.htm Please link to me and trade links with me! Open Source Sci-Fi mmoRPG Game project. http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page http://code.google.com/p/perspectiveproject/ From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Sun Oct 31 22:38:06 2010 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:38:06 -0500 Subject: Help to get started In-Reply-To: References: <9466352350444A59B4C4694D53051A73@HarryDesktop> <4CCBABD5.9020805@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4CCDEFCE.8070101@optonline.net> On 10/31/2010 06:14 AM, Harry and Sandy wrote: > Good evening, > Thank you Doug, Richard and Nils for your quick reply in trying to > solve my problem. > Nils, I tried using the command line as you suggested, but with no luck. > So I have downloaded a new copy of the .iso using torrent and burned > that to a DVD with a 2X burn as Doug suggested. I have ended up with > the same result. > But there are a couple of things that may provide a clue to what is > happening. When I installed the first time as well as this time I got > a message during the instillation as follows:- > UBI-Console-setup crashed > UBI-Console-setup failed with exit code 141. Further information may > be found in /var/log syslog. Do you want to try running this step > again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail > entirely or may be broken. > I am then given the options to Retry, Ignore or Retry. > I both cases I have hit Retry and then the installation moved on to > the next step - Keyboard Layout like the problem is fixed. > The other thing is in the Disk Setup page during the installation > today showed:- > Before > /dev/sdbi /devsdb5 > under the top bar > After > Kubuntu > under the bottom bar > This suggests to me that Kubuntu did not load during my attempts the > other day and after the installation today I went into the > installation process again after installing today and there is no sign > of Kubuntu in the top bar as though it has still not loaded. The top > bar on the Disk Setup page now reads;- Before > /dev/sdbi /devsdb5 /dev/sdb6 > I hope this gives a clearer picture of what may be going wrong. > Also Richard, I would like to persist with Kubuntu 10.10 as we are > going to upgrade our computer soon, but we would like this os on it if > we can master it. But thanks for your suggestion of the alternative. > Thanks again to you all, > Harry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Doug > *To:* kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, October 30, 2010 3:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: Help to get started > > On 10/29/2010 11:34 PM, Harry and Sandy wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I have installed Kubuntu 10.10 from a live DVD to my Desktop on >> an old 40GB drive which had Windows98 on it. After installation >> and reboot it got to the user and log in page, entered my user >> name and password and then started to proceed to the next page >> (with has a picture of a hard drive) but then it returned to the >> log in page. Every time I tried since after rebooting the same >> thing happens. As this is an old drive I had not used for some >> time I thought the drive might be buggered so I loaded Kubuntu >> 10.10 on my drive I use all the time beside XP Pro. When I >> rebooted I got the same result. >> >> When I log in to XP Pro it does not recognise my old 40GB drive >> or the partition on the 160GB drive. Is this normal? >> >> My only experience with computers is to sit down and use them, so >> I am extremely new to this. >> >> I would appreciate any help to get started so I can get away from >> MS Windows. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Harry. >> > I think you will get many replies, and welcome to Linux. Mostly, > folks don't have all that much > trouble getting the system up and running, and since you wound up > with the same problem > on two installations on different drives, I would suspect your > source CD is defective. But > to put to bed the possibility that something in the computer is a > problem, (I assume from your > description you're using the same computer with either HD), can > you run the LIVE version of > Kubuntu from the CD? If you can, then the computer should be OK > to run Linux, and it takes it > back to a defective install CD. Back to that in a moment. > /snip/ > > You haven't answered my question, altho you may have answered it for yourself: can you run the OS from the live version on the CD? (I don't have a "fixit" suggestion at this point, but the answer to that question may lead someone to the solution.) --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 22:57:21 2010 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 00:57:21 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio vs. Skype: no webcam mic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 23:32, Knapp wrote: > Dotan there is some very odd way to fix this problem but I can't remember how. > It is something about getting Skype recording and then changing the > input with another sound program. > > Found it (I think). > > Start up a test call in skype and when it starts recording look in the > recording tab of the Pulse Audio Volume Control program for a setting > that works for you. For me it was "0809 analog mono". That is the > setting that is needed on my computer but not on the one that I > learned the trick from. The tab is almost blank if the skype program > is not recording at the time you look at it. Hope this works for you. > > BTW baby is still going strong! Thanks for the naming help. > > Thanks, Douglas, I did independently figure this out as well. The Pulseaudio volume control is called "pavucontrol" and only running-and-producing-sound applications can be configured. From there I could change the sound output and inputs. And how nice it was! I was able to pair my bluetooth headset and use it, or the webcam's internal mic, or my 3.5 banana. And I could have a Youtube video playing through the hardware speakers while I chat on Skype with the bluetooth headset! Amazing! This combined with the KDE Keep-On-Top feature (just another button to add to window chrome in KDE) to keep the video conference window on top made for a perfect solution. I am very, very impressed. It has been a long time since I've felt that way with a *buntu product. Kubuntu 10.10 is the first release since 7.04 that I feel happy with. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com