Kubuntu/Ubuntu does not remove everything from memory at shutdown

[Reinhold Rumberger]

On Friday 12 March 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > As at least Jojo mentioned: It's not K/Ubuntu's fault if Win7
> > fails to properly initialise the soundcard. Probably a driver
> > problem in your Win7 install. Third party Win drivers aren't
> > known for their quality, you know...
> 
> It is *buntu's responsibility to shut down the hardware properly.

As explained before: no, it's the booting OS' responsibility to put 
the hardware into a state in which it can use it.
For more detail, read Howard Coles Jr.'s reply - he explains this 
pretty well.

> > If this is so big an issue for you, why don't you just use
> > Mandriva exclusively? Or do a proper shutdown-start cycle? It
> > doesn't really take more time...
> 
> Hey, that's a great idea! Instead of fixing the bugs in *buntu,
> just switch to another OS.

This isn't a bug in *buntu, its a bug in the Win soundcard driver. 
More specifically, it is a bug triggered by *buntu, not Mandriva. 
Since both are GNU/Linux OSes, using Mandriva exclusively is 
definitely an option. When SUSE became too buggy for me, I switched 
to Kubuntu instead of bearing with SUSE's bugs.
Oh, and it's not another OS, just another distro. Choice is the main 
reason for the different distros, you know...

> >> Hence it is clearly a Kubuntu/Ubuntu problem of not forcibly
> >> closing applications still active as it is about to reboot,
> > 
> > Yeah, it actually does that...
> > Try getting some actual information instead of just looking
> > through boot messages - not everybody logs everything...
> 
> Where would you like him to get the information from, if not from
> the log messages?

The scripts, by asking, by reading the other emails? Seriously, the 
log messages are more for developers and for giving you a clue where 
in the boot/shutdown procedure you currently are, not for telling you 
every little action that is taking place. That's why splash screens 
have become so popular (that and because the average user is 
uncomfortable being confronted with too much info).

  --Reinhold