KDE4.3 beta issues

[Clay Weber]

On Monday 25 May 2009 10:26:12 am Terrell Prude' Jr. wrote:
> Jussi Kekkonen wrote:
> > hi
> >
> >>> * The size: some packages actually weight double or sometimes 
much
> >>> more the size with the debugging symbols.
> >>
> >> Yes, and we can afford it.
> >>
> >>> * The speed: debugging symbols are loaded in memory, which will 
have a
> >>> considerable effect on the PC speed if one has less than 1 GB of RAM
> >>> and opens many applications. Even with more RAM, try running an
> >>> application in gdb (the Gnu debugger) and you will see the drastic
> >>> speed drop you will experience.
> >>
> >> The users we're talking about aren't _ever_ going to use gdb.  If there
> >> are packages that seriously do have performance problems when the 
symbol
> >> tables are included, that's a valid reason for leaving them out of
> >> _specific_ packages, but they should be included in most apps by
> >> default.
> >
> > FYI there's still us who cannot afford it, really...
>
> Huh?  Of course we can!  80GB hard disks have been with us for what,
> nearly 8 years?  That's far, far more than enough room, by almost an
> order of magnitude, even *with* debug symbols.  Without symbols, it's
> just over an order of magnitude.  Kubuntu Jaunty takes up just under 4GB
> (including /var) on my 40GB disk drive.
>
> If someone really still has an ancient 10GB hard disk, then they need to
> be using Fluxbox or IceWM or something small, not a full-featured
> desktop environment like GNOME or KDE.  I would recommend Damn 
Small
> Linux (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/) to these folks, not *ubuntu.  And
> for those folks who have an otherwise modern-enough box (say, Athlon or
> Pentium III @ 1.2GHz, 512MB DRAM) but keep that 1999-era 10GB hard 
disk,
> then it's time to upgrade the hard disk.
>
> So yes, Kubuntu's target audience can indeed afford it, and the debug
> symbols should be included, especially at this point in KDE 4's dev cycle.
>
> --TP

I think Jussi may be talking about filesize, and that is costly for those on 
dialup or download caps. Plus the space issues of being a 1-cd-install distro

kdepim-dbg package (for kontact , kmail, etc), for example is 114mb, others 
I looked at range from approx 17-65 mb.

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