upgrade 8.04 -> 9.04+kde3: how?

Billie Erin Walsh bilwalsh at swbell.net
Mon Jun 15 04:48:04 UTC 2009

Martin Laberge wrote:
> On Sunday 14 June 2009 09:11:07 Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>> Goh Lip wrote:
>>> Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>>>> This will probably get me in trouble but...........
>>>> Have you ever thought of using the file manager to work with your files 
>>>> and folders and not a web browser?
>>>> On the task bar there is this nice looking folder with a yellow star on 
>>>> it. It's one little gizmo I've come to like a _LOT_. With it I can 
>>>> navigate to any file or folder I want to open [ well, almost any ]. It's 
>>>> a neat little thing called "Quick Access". I can open files and folders 
>>>> or just launch the file manager [ Dolphin ] where I want it to open 
>>>> without having to navigate so much.
>>>> As I understand the plan for the future Konqueror is not going to be the 
>>>> swiss army knife of KDE any longer. It's future is to be a better web 
>>>> web browser. It's something people are just going to have to live with 
>>>> or change desktops. Much like all the changes from KDE 3.5.10 to KDE 
>>>> 4.x. I can't say I'm particularly crazy about it but as I learn to work 
>>>> _with_it_ and not _against_it_ KDE 4.x is becoming much easier to live 
>>>> with.
>>>> If I could give one piece of advice for KDE users it would be to learn 
>>>> to work _WITH_ KDE 4.x and quit moaning and groaning about the loss of 
>>>> KDE 3.x. Once you learn to work _WITH_ KDE 4.x you can do just about 
>>>> anything you could do in KDE 3.x. As KDE 4.x matures I feel like most 
>>>> people will get over it. When KDE 5.x comes along they will moan and 
>>>> groan over the loss of KDE 4.x.
>>>> Asi es la vida!
>>> Funny, I was reading this on my hardy kde 3.5.10 and I am replying from 
>>> it. My 2 cents (in my currency) take on this is that we all owe the 
>>> things we are enjoying to the developers who dare to do something 
>>> different and people who give feedback through bug reports and 'whine 
>>> about it'. Of course, there are many things broken or not so good when 
>>> we change to a newer system (that's why I am on hardy to do things that 
>>> karmic kde 4.3 is messed up currently). Naturally, we also like things 
>>> to work well.
>> <snip>
>> You testing 9.10 and that's great. I'm glad there are people that are 
>> doing that. I certainly don't have the basic knowledge to triage like 
>> that. More power to you my friend. Thank you. And may whatever god you 
>> believe in bless you greatly.
>> The thing is that it was made pretty clear something like a year and a 
>> half, or more, ago that Konqueror was going to change. It was no longer 
>> going to be "The Swiss Army Knife" tool that it had been before. It's 
>> been made quite clear that KDE was going to change for about that long 
>> also. If someone wants KDE 3.x I'm sure that the devs wouldn't mind if 
>> you sort of took it over and developed it further. [ very much like the 
>> 9.04 with KDE three ] But the future is what it is. After all this time 
>> I think people quit whining about the loss of KDE 3.x. KDE 4.x is not 
>> and never will be KDE 3.x. As it matures, and I think we all agree that 
>> it is not mature by a long shot, with the help of great people like you 
>> and Dotan that it will improve.
>> BUT, there are certain realities that some people must face. Like the 
>> thing about Konqueror. Konqueror is no longer _THE_ file manager. Sure 
>> you can browse files and folders with it but it is not intended to be 
>> _THE_ file manager. Dolphin is now, and will be, _THE_ file manager in 
>> KDE X.x for the future. [ at least until something else comes along ]
>> For countless generations the hand saw, in various forms, was _THE_ saw. 
>> Then someone came up with powered saws. Some accepted the new saws with 
>> great happiness and some grumped about how the hand saw was a superior 
>> tool. Hand saw manufacturing dropped off and the hangers-on grumped 
>> about the lack of good hand saws. As time went on and the "hangers-on" 
>> saw that people that used powered saws were getting more done in less 
>> time and with less effort they had to admit that powered saws maybe were 
>> not such a bad thing after all. Although they still loved their old hand 
>> saw they slowly accepted the new powered saw and used it.
>> KDE 4.x is here to stay. AND, IMHO, it is silly to file bug reports and 
>> feature requests to get KDE 3.x back again.
>> Is KDE 4.x perfect? NO, not by a long shot. But it is getting better all 
>> the time.
>> Is KDE 4.x mature? Again, not by a long shot. But with the help of those 
>> that are triaging the newest, latest and greatest it will be.
>> Learn to work _WITH_ KDE 4.x and you will be a lot happier with it. Keep 
>> trying to make it KDE 3.x and you are bound to be miserable.
>> OK, off my soap box now. I return you to your normal rant.
>> -- 
>> Treat all stressful situations like a dog does.
>> If you can't eat it or play with it, 
>> just pee on it and walk away
> The hand saw can be found and supported today, and for 
> a very long future.
> Sometimes, (far from a power plug) this is the only
> alternative to cut wood. 
> When the power saw can cut without power, then the hand saw
> will slowly become obsolete. Not before.
Have you checked out the hardware store lately. All I'll say is "Battery".

Treat all stressful situations like a dog does.
If you can't eat it or play with it, 
just pee on it and walk away

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