upgrade 8.04 -> 9.04+kde3: how?

[Martin Laberge]

On Sunday 14 June 2009 09:11:07 Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
> Goh Lip wrote:
> > Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> This will probably get me in trouble but...........
> >>
> >> Have you ever thought of using the file manager to work with your files 
> >> and folders and not a web browser?
> >>
> >> On the task bar there is this nice looking folder with a yellow star on 
> >> it. It's one little gizmo I've come to like a _LOT_. With it I can 
> >> navigate to any file or folder I want to open [ well, almost any ]. It's 
> >> a neat little thing called "Quick Access". I can open files and folders 
> >> or just launch the file manager [ Dolphin ] where I want it to open 
> >> without having to navigate so much.
> >>
> >> As I understand the plan for the future Konqueror is not going to be the 
> >> swiss army knife of KDE any longer. It's future is to be a better web 
> >> web browser. It's something people are just going to have to live with 
> >> or change desktops. Much like all the changes from KDE 3.5.10 to KDE 
> >> 4.x. I can't say I'm particularly crazy about it but as I learn to work 
> >> _with_it_ and not _against_it_ KDE 4.x is becoming much easier to live 
> >> with.
> >>
> >> If I could give one piece of advice for KDE users it would be to learn 
> >> to work _WITH_ KDE 4.x and quit moaning and groaning about the loss of 
> >> KDE 3.x. Once you learn to work _WITH_ KDE 4.x you can do just about 
> >> anything you could do in KDE 3.x. As KDE 4.x matures I feel like most 
> >> people will get over it. When KDE 5.x comes along they will moan and 
> >> groan over the loss of KDE 4.x.
> >>
> >> Asi es la vida!
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > Funny, I was reading this on my hardy kde 3.5.10 and I am replying from 
> > it. My 2 cents (in my currency) take on this is that we all owe the 
> > things we are enjoying to the developers who dare to do something 
> > different and people who give feedback through bug reports and 'whine 
> > about it'. Of course, there are many things broken or not so good when 
> > we change to a newer system (that's why I am on hardy to do things that 
> > karmic kde 4.3 is messed up currently). Naturally, we also like things 
> > to work well.
> >   
> 
> <snip>
> 
> You testing 9.10 and that's great. I'm glad there are people that are 
> doing that. I certainly don't have the basic knowledge to triage like 
> that. More power to you my friend. Thank you. And may whatever god you 
> believe in bless you greatly.
> 
> The thing is that it was made pretty clear something like a year and a 
> half, or more, ago that Konqueror was going to change. It was no longer 
> going to be "The Swiss Army Knife" tool that it had been before. It's 
> been made quite clear that KDE was going to change for about that long 
> also. If someone wants KDE 3.x I'm sure that the devs wouldn't mind if 
> you sort of took it over and developed it further. [ very much like the 
> 9.04 with KDE three ] But the future is what it is. After all this time 
> I think people quit whining about the loss of KDE 3.x. KDE 4.x is not 
> and never will be KDE 3.x. As it matures, and I think we all agree that 
> it is not mature by a long shot, with the help of great people like you 
> and Dotan that it will improve.
> 
> BUT, there are certain realities that some people must face. Like the 
> thing about Konqueror. Konqueror is no longer _THE_ file manager. Sure 
> you can browse files and folders with it but it is not intended to be 
> _THE_ file manager. Dolphin is now, and will be, _THE_ file manager in 
> KDE X.x for the future. [ at least until something else comes along ]
> 
> For countless generations the hand saw, in various forms, was _THE_ saw. 
> Then someone came up with powered saws. Some accepted the new saws with 
> great happiness and some grumped about how the hand saw was a superior 
> tool. Hand saw manufacturing dropped off and the hangers-on grumped 
> about the lack of good hand saws. As time went on and the "hangers-on" 
> saw that people that used powered saws were getting more done in less 
> time and with less effort they had to admit that powered saws maybe were 
> not such a bad thing after all. Although they still loved their old hand 
> saw they slowly accepted the new powered saw and used it.
> 
> KDE 4.x is here to stay. AND, IMHO, it is silly to file bug reports and 
> feature requests to get KDE 3.x back again.
> 
> Is KDE 4.x perfect? NO, not by a long shot. But it is getting better all 
> the time.
> 
> Is KDE 4.x mature? Again, not by a long shot. But with the help of those 
> that are triaging the newest, latest and greatest it will be.
> 
> Learn to work _WITH_ KDE 4.x and you will be a lot happier with it. Keep 
> trying to make it KDE 3.x and you are bound to be miserable.
> 
> OK, off my soap box now. I return you to your normal rant.
> 
> -- 
> Treat all stressful situations like a dog does.
> If you can't eat it or play with it, 
> just pee on it and walk away
> 
> 

The hand saw can be found and supported today, and for 
a very long future.

Sometimes, (far from a power plug) this is the only
alternative to cut wood. 

When the power saw can cut without power, then the hand saw
will slowly become obsolete. Not before.

-- 
Martin Laberge
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