From david at dmcentral.net Sat Aug 1 04:59:26 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:59:26 -0400 Subject: Can't get wireless to work with kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <200907311325.01371.bbales@cox.net> References: <200907302252.32014.bbales@cox.net> <200907310749.09362.david@dmcentral.net> <200907311325.01371.bbales@cox.net> Message-ID: <200908010059.27050.david@dmcentral.net> On Friday 31 July 2009 02:25:01 pm Bruce Bales wrote: > On Friday 31 July 2009 06:49:09 David McGlone wrote: > > On Friday 31 July 2009 12:44:08 am Nils Kassube wrote: > > > Bruce Bales wrote: > > > > Wireless on my laptop with kubuntu 8.04 was not easy. I had to > > > > sudo iwconfig ath0 essid bbs key (the wep code) and then > > > > sudo dhclient each time I booted up. > > > > > > > > Then I upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and the iwconfig line no longer > > > > works. The iwconfig line gives me "ath0 no such device." > > > > I tried wlan0, wlan, eth0, ath1 and wlan1 -- same result. > > > > > > What wireless device do you have? I think "ath0" would be some Atheros > > > chipset but which one? 8.04 had the madwifi driver but now the driver > > > is in the kernel, maybe your chipset is not yet supported correctly? To > > > find out what chipset you have, use the commands > > > > > > lspci > > > sudo lshw -C network > > > > > > in a terminal and post the relevant part of the output. And if you want > > > to find out the wireless interface name you can try the command > > > > > > ifconfig -a > > > > > > in a terminal. It will show you the configuration of all interfaces > > > known to your system. > > > > > > > The main page has an icon which says "network management" Clicking > > > > on that then "network connection" then "enable wireless" then > > > > "manage connection" gets me nowhere. > > > > > > If you have problems getting the network manager working it may be > > > useful to replace it with wicd. You can install the wicd package from > > > the 9.04 repository. > > > > Another suggestion, check your /etc/network/interfaces. I can almost > > guarantee it's empty. > > > > -- > > Blessings, > > David M. > > http://www.dmcentral.net > > Thanks, David > /etc/network/interfaces contains > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > bruce Bruce, here's some of info that might also help. This is what my interfaces file looks like on my laptop: auto lo iface lo inet loopback #auto eth0 #iface eth0 inet static #address 192.168.2.2 #netmask 255.255.255.0 #network 192.168.2.0 #broadcast 192.168.2.255 #gateway 192.168.2.1 #dns-nameserver 192.168.2.1 #dns-search dmcghome iface wlan0 inet static address 192.168.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.2.1 dns-nameserver 192.168.2.1 dns-search dmcghome wireless-essid dmcghome auto wlan0 I had to comment out eth0 because for some odd reason, I couldn't connect to wlan0 with the eth0 info in the file I completely forgot mention that I had to manually edit my /etc/resolv.conf file which was also empty. I had to add the following lines: search dmcghome nameserver 192.168.2.1 Without this info in the file, Internet wouldn't work for me. I doubt this will help, but I hope it does. -- Blessings David M. From david at dmcentral.net Sat Aug 1 05:05:45 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 01:05:45 -0400 Subject: Can't get wireless to work with kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <200907311346.21864.bbales@cox.net> References: <200907302252.32014.bbales@cox.net> <200907311907.36827.tanghus@gmail.com> <200907311346.21864.bbales@cox.net> Message-ID: <200908010105.45717.david@dmcentral.net> On Friday 31 July 2009 02:46:21 pm Bruce Bales wrote: > On Friday 31 July 2009 12:07:36 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > On Friday 31 July 2009 05:52:31 Bruce Bales wrote: > > > Greetings - > > > > > > Wireless on my laptop with kubuntu 8.04 was not easy. I had to > > > sudo iwconfig ath0 essid bbs key (the wep code) and then > > > sudo dhclient each time I booted up. > > > > > > Then I upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and the iwconfig line no longer works. > > > The iwconfig line gives me "ath0 no such device." > > > I tried wlan0, wlan, eth0, ath1 and wlan1 -- same result. > > > > > > Wireless was working long enough to install and update 9.04. > > > > > > The main page has an icon which says "network management" Clicking on > > > that then "network connection" then "enable wireless" then "manage > > > connection" gets me nowhere. > > > > > > I would greatly appreciate some help on this. > > > > > > bruce > > > > Have you tried just "iwconfig" at the cli to see if any wireless > > interfaces are recognized? > > > > -- > > Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen > > > > Thomas Olsen > > I don't understand it, but here is the output of iwconfig. > > bruce at laptop:~/docs$ iwconfig > lo no wireless extensions. > > eth0 no wireless extensions. > > wmaster0 no wireless extensions. > > wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"linksys" > Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated > Tx-Power=20 dBm > Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 B > Power Management:off > Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 > > pan0 no wireless extensions. > > bruce Bruce, your wireless card is being recognized. I see that you have no access point, I am almost certain that if you tailor the interfaces file and your resolve.conf file like the one I pasted in my previous e-mail to fit your needs you will get a connection. -- Blessings David M. From david at dmcentral.net Sat Aug 1 05:07:49 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 01:07:49 -0400 Subject: Can't get wireless to work with kubuntu 9.04 - Not solved, but working In-Reply-To: <200907311550.40950.bbales@cox.net> References: <200907302252.32014.bbales@cox.net> <200907311346.21864.bbales@cox.net> <200907311550.40950.bbales@cox.net> Message-ID: <200908010107.49231.david@dmcentral.net> On Friday 31 July 2009 04:50:40 pm Bruce Bales wrote: > On Friday 31 July 2009 13:46:21 Bruce Bales wrote: > > On Friday 31 July 2009 12:07:36 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > > On Friday 31 July 2009 05:52:31 Bruce Bales wrote: > > > > Greetings - > > > > > > > > Wireless on my laptop with kubuntu 8.04 was not easy. I had to > > > > sudo iwconfig ath0 essid bbs key (the wep code) and then > > > > sudo dhclient each time I booted up. > > > > > > > > Then I upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and the iwconfig line no longer > > > > works. The iwconfig line gives me "ath0 no such device." > > > > I tried wlan0, wlan, eth0, ath1 and wlan1 -- same result. > > > > > > > > Wireless was working long enough to install and update 9.04. > > > > > > > > The main page has an icon which says "network management" Clicking > > > > on that then "network connection" then "enable wireless" then > > > > "manage connection" gets me nowhere. > > > > > > > > I would greatly appreciate some help on this. > > > > > > > > bruce > > > > > > Have you tried just "iwconfig" at the cli to see if any wireless > > > interfaces are recognized? > > > > > > -- > > > Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen > > > > > > Thomas Olsen > > > > I don't understand it, but here is the output of iwconfig. > > > > bruce at laptop:~/docs$ iwconfig > > lo no wireless extensions. > > > > eth0 no wireless extensions. > > > > wmaster0 no wireless extensions. > > > > wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"linksys" > > Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated > > Tx-Power=20 dBm > > Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 B > > Power Management:off > > Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 > > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 > > > > pan0 no wireless extensions. > > > > bruce > > Something has changed. Now the machine accepts > sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid bbs key (the wep code), but when I > sudo dhclient It does DHCPDISCOVER wlan0, pan0, eth0 and wmaster0 on port > 67 (about 20 lines) with various intervals. Eventually it declares > No DHCPOFFERS and goes to sleep. > > But then I went to network manager and clicked on wireless, did a few other > clicks and put in the wep key again and now konqueror works. > > Nothing changed, but it works. The machine has aptly demonstrated its > superiority over man. It will help you if it feels like it. > > Somewhat embarrassing. Thanks to everyone for the help. > bruce Great, glad you got it working. -- Blessings David M. From kassube at gmx.net Sat Aug 1 06:38:02 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 08:38:02 +0200 Subject: Can't get wireless to work with kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <200908010059.27050.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200907302252.32014.bbales@cox.net> <200907311325.01371.bbales@cox.net> <200908010059.27050.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200908010838.02175.kassube@gmx.net> David McGlone wrote: > This is what my interfaces file looks like on my laptop: > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > #auto eth0 > #iface eth0 inet static > #address 192.168.2.2 > #netmask 255.255.255.0 > #network 192.168.2.0 > #broadcast 192.168.2.255 > #gateway 192.168.2.1 > #dns-nameserver 192.168.2.1 > #dns-search dmcghome > > iface wlan0 inet static > address 192.168.2.3 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > gateway 192.168.2.1 > dns-nameserver 192.168.2.1 > dns-search dmcghome > wireless-essid dmcghome > > auto wlan0 > > > I had to comment out eth0 because for some odd reason, I couldn't > connect to wlan0 with the eth0 info in the file I think the odd reason is that both eth0 and wlan0 would be on the same network, i.e. 192.168.2.0. If you don't have your eth0 connected, the network seems to be unreachable because data are sent on either eth0 or wlan0 but not on both at the same time. That is the disadvantage of static entries if your hardware connection isn't static. You have to enable / disable the interfaces manually if they aren't connected. > Without this info in the file, Internet wouldn't work for me. Then you didn't try to use networkmanager or wicd lately, they don't need static entries in the interfaces file. And they can handle switching wired/wireless more or less automatically. > I doubt this will help, but I hope it does. At least it is always interesting to see how others have solved their network problems. Fortunately Bruce seems to have his machine working in the meantime. Nils From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 08:05:07 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:05:07 +0200 Subject: The plasmoid that don't want to stay away Message-ID: Hi! I have a strange problem, there is a plasmoid (CPU Load) that always reappear after a reboot despite that I have removed it. I have tried to remove it both from the "Add widgets" dialog and by clicking the cross on itself but after a reboot it's there again. Looking in the config files don't give me any clues. Some one seen this before or have any ideas? / Jonas From john_re at fastmail.us Sat Aug 1 08:50:53 2009 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:50:53 -0700 Subject: Aug 1 & 16- Global VOIP Free SW HW Culture meeting, BerkeleyTIP, For Forwarding Message-ID: <1249116653.24562.1327808135@webmail.messagingengine.com> Interested in joining the friendly global Free SW HW & Culture communities in a global Voice meeting? You´re invited. :) You can join from your home, or better: get a local meeting together. Tip: a college WiFi cafe could be a great local meeting place. Make sure you have a VOIP headset! 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From errol at tzora.co.il Sat Aug 1 10:45:31 2009 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:45:31 +0300 Subject: Can't get wireless to work with kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <200908010838.02175.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200907302252.32014.bbales@cox.net> <200907311325.01371.bbales@cox.net> <200908010059.27050.david@dmcentral.net> <200908010838.02175.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4A741CCB.5010208@tzora.co.il> I see that this thread is over but I still want to put in my 2c. I use WICD as my network manager. Since being introduced to that program I have NOOOOOOO problems connecting to wireless or wired connection. The network manager (I was told - and also found out from my own experience) is pretty lousy so WICD, answers the problem very well. Errol Nils Kassube wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > >> This is what my interfaces file looks like on my laptop: >> >> auto lo >> iface lo inet loopback >> >> #auto eth0 >> #iface eth0 inet static >> #address 192.168.2.2 >> #netmask 255.255.255.0 >> #network 192.168.2.0 >> #broadcast 192.168.2.255 >> #gateway 192.168.2.1 >> #dns-nameserver 192.168.2.1 >> #dns-search dmcghome >> >> iface wlan0 inet static >> address 192.168.2.3 >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> gateway 192.168.2.1 >> dns-nameserver 192.168.2.1 >> dns-search dmcghome >> wireless-essid dmcghome >> >> auto wlan0 >> >> >> I had to comment out eth0 because for some odd reason, I couldn't >> connect to wlan0 with the eth0 info in the file >> > > I think the odd reason is that both eth0 and wlan0 would be on the same > network, i.e. 192.168.2.0. If you don't have your eth0 connected, the > network seems to be unreachable because data are sent on either eth0 or > wlan0 but not on both at the same time. That is the disadvantage of > static entries if your hardware connection isn't static. You have to > enable / disable the interfaces manually if they aren't connected. > > >> Without this info in the file, Internet wouldn't work for me. >> > > Then you didn't try to use networkmanager or wicd lately, they don't > need static entries in the interfaces file. And they can handle > switching wired/wireless more or less automatically. > > >> I doubt this will help, but I hope it does. >> > > At least it is always interesting to see how others have solved their > network problems. Fortunately Bruce seems to have his machine working in > the meantime. > > > Nils > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 12:16:29 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:16:29 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. Message-ID: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Recently I tried to play an .wmv. Dragon Player would not play it, so I attempted to install xine using KpackageKit. Not sure which applications were required, I attempted installing all of the Xine packages except the Gnome applications. About midway through installation, I was stopped with the error message that I did not have the required permissions to continue. I closed the installation to search for answers then request help from the list. When I attempted to open Konqueror, it would not open. When I attempted to open Dolphin, it would not open. When I attempted to open a Shell, it would not open, so I decided to boot and see if things would return to normal. I was stopped during the boot process and was left with a command line prompt and attempted 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' but things remained the same. When back at the command prompt, I typed in 'sudo aptitude install updates', and uptdate quite a lot of packages. Then I typed in 'sudo aptitude install safe- upgrade'. This took quite a bit longer, almost like installing an OS. When I booted this time I came back to the same problem, stopped during the boot. The following was on screen prior to the command prompt: [1. 470171] ACPI: Expecting a reference package element, found type 0 [5. 843020] [Firmware bug]: powernow k8: Your BIOS does not provide ACPI _PSS objects in a way that Linux understands. Please report this to the Linux ACPI maintainers and complain to your BIOS vender. [5. 843100] Same instruction repeated. [5. 843179] Same instruction repeated. [5. 843257] Same instruction repeated. Loading please wait............ 19 +0 records in 19 +0 records out kinit: name_to_dev_t(/dev/disk/by uuid/8d4cf1eb-30e4-4048-830a-b41eeba5c0dc I waited a while to see if it was still working then it resumed. kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot...... Ubuntu 9.04 Yeshua tty1 Yeshua login: *Reloading common Unix printing system: cupsd *Reloading system : log daemon... I would sure like to avoid a re-installation. I don't remember how to save and forward email records or the Wine and e-Sword applications. Other than update, I haven't done anything other than the problem installing Xine to cause any OS configuration problems. Thanks! Steven From myriam at kubuntu.org Sat Aug 1 12:26:36 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:26:36 +0200 Subject: The plasmoid that don't want to stay away In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jonas, On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:05, Jonas Norlander wrote: > Hi! > > I have a strange problem, there is a plasmoid (CPU Load) that always > reappear after a reboot despite that I have removed it. I have tried > to remove it both from the "Add widgets" dialog and by clicking the > cross on itself but after a reboot it's there again. Looking in the > config files don't give me any clues. > > Some one seen this before or have any ideas? Well, I haven't seen this before, but you can have a look at the configuration files for plasma located in ~/.kde/share/config/, mainly the files plasma-appletsrc, plasma-desktop-appletsrc, plasma-overlay-appletsrc and plasma-desktoprc. It could well be that there still is a configuration remaining in there that makes the removed applet shows up again. This would be a bug and should be reported. Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Aug 1 12:29:05 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:29:05 +0200 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > Recently I tried to play an .wmv. Dragon Player would not play it, so I > attempted to install xine using KpackageKit. Not sure which applications were > required, I attempted installing all of the Xine packages except the Gnome > > [1. 470171] ACPI: Expecting a reference package element, found type 0 > [5. 843020] [Firmware bug]: powernow k8: Your BIOS does not provide ACPI > _PSS objects in a way that Linux understands. Please report this to the Linux > ACPI maintainers and complain to your BIOS vender. > [5. 843100] Same instruction repeated. > [5. 843179] Same instruction repeated. > [5. 843257] Same instruction repeated. > Loading please wait............ > 19 +0 records in > 19 +0 records out > kinit: name_to_dev_t(/dev/disk/by uuid/8d4cf1eb-30e4-4048-830a-b41eeba5c0dc > > Dear Steven, as I see it, most likely you updated your kernel. Now, I remember vaguely that you have to use a kernel parameter inside grub in order to make you super-multi-ram PC working. was is acpi=off or something with PCI? If this is correct, your new kernel grub line might not have the parameter. You probably should try to boot the old kernel from the grub menu. Alternatively, you might insert your proven parameters into the grub menu.lst file. Kind regards Eberhard From david at dmcentral.net Sat Aug 1 13:13:57 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 09:13:57 -0400 Subject: Can't get wireless to work with kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <200908010838.02175.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200907302252.32014.bbales@cox.net> <200908010059.27050.david@dmcentral.net> <200908010838.02175.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908010913.57990.david@dmcentral.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 02:38:02 am Nils Kassube wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > This is what my interfaces file looks like on my laptop: > > > > auto lo > > iface lo inet loopback > > > > #auto eth0 > > #iface eth0 inet static > > #address 192.168.2.2 > > #netmask 255.255.255.0 > > #network 192.168.2.0 > > #broadcast 192.168.2.255 > > #gateway 192.168.2.1 > > #dns-nameserver 192.168.2.1 > > #dns-search dmcghome > > > > iface wlan0 inet static > > address 192.168.2.3 > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > gateway 192.168.2.1 > > dns-nameserver 192.168.2.1 > > dns-search dmcghome > > wireless-essid dmcghome > > > > auto wlan0 > > > > > > I had to comment out eth0 because for some odd reason, I couldn't > > connect to wlan0 with the eth0 info in the file > > I think the odd reason is that both eth0 and wlan0 would be on the same > network, i.e. 192.168.2.0. If you don't have your eth0 connected, the > network seems to be unreachable because data are sent on either eth0 or > wlan0 but not on both at the same time. That is the disadvantage of > static entries if your hardware connection isn't static. You have to > enable / disable the interfaces manually if they aren't connected. I kinda figured I was having an IP address conflict, but never assigned eth0 a different IP because I'm so meticulous about things and have to have things neat and orderly and because of that I just had to have each of my 4 computers assigned just 1 IP. > > > Without this info in the file, Internet wouldn't work for me. > > Then you didn't try to use networkmanager or wicd lately, they don't > need static entries in the interfaces file. And they can handle > switching wired/wireless more or less automatically. Admittedly I haven't. I try to stick to the saying "If it ain't broke leave it alone" LOL > > > I doubt this will help, but I hope it does. > > At least it is always interesting to see how others have solved their > network problems. Yes it it. It's also interesting in other ways, for example, what you said above, also made me realize just how meticulous I am. Now I'm wondering if I suffer from OCD to a certain degree. Isn't Linux great? :-) -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 13:18:48 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:18:48 +0200 Subject: The plasmoid that don't want to stay away In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Jonas, > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:05, Jonas Norlander wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I have a strange problem, there is a plasmoid (CPU Load) that always >> reappear after a reboot despite that I have removed it. I have tried >> to remove it both from the "Add widgets" dialog and by clicking the >> cross on itself but after a reboot it's there again. Looking in the >> config files don't give me any clues. >> >> Some one seen this before or have any ideas? > > Well, I haven't seen this before, but you can have a look at the > configuration files for plasma located in ~/.kde/share/config/, mainly > the files plasma-appletsrc, plasma-desktop-appletsrc, > plasma-overlay-appletsrc and plasma-desktoprc. It could well be that > there still is a configuration remaining in there that makes the > removed applet shows up again. That's what i suspected to and I have looked through all files there that I thought was related to plasma but the content in them is kind of cryptic to me and I don't know what settings is related to what plasmoid. I will take a look again at them later to see if I can figure out how the work. Thanks / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 13:23:13 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:23:13 +0200 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: >> Recently I tried to play an .wmv.  Dragon Player would not play it, so I >> attempted to install xine using KpackageKit.  Not sure which applications were >> required, I attempted installing all of the Xine packages except the Gnome >> >> [1.  470171]  ACPI:  Expecting a reference package element, found type 0 >> [5.  843020] [Firmware bug]:  powernow k8:  Your BIOS does not provide ACPI >> _PSS objects in a way that Linux understands.  Please report this to the Linux >> ACPI maintainers and complain to your BIOS vender. >> [5.  843100]  Same instruction repeated. >> [5.  843179]  Same instruction repeated. >> [5.  843257]  Same instruction repeated. >> Loading please wait............ >> 19 +0 records in >> 19 +0 records out >> kinit:  name_to_dev_t(/dev/disk/by uuid/8d4cf1eb-30e4-4048-830a-b41eeba5c0dc >> >> > Dear Steven, as I see it, most likely you updated your kernel. > Now, I remember vaguely that you have to use a kernel > parameter inside grub in order to make you super-multi-ram > PC working. was is acpi=off or something with PCI? > > If this is correct, your new kernel grub line might not have > the parameter. > > You probably should try to boot the old kernel from the grub > menu. > > Alternatively, you might insert your proven parameters into > the grub menu.lst file. Or you can edit the grub boot line direct in the grub boot menu. Press e on the line you want to edit and add what ever option you want to try. It want survive the next reboot but it's faster to try out things, later you can add them in menu.lst. / Jonas From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Sat Aug 1 13:34:51 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:34:51 +0100 Subject: audio format converter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A74447B.9020007@btinternet.com> Thanks for all your advice everyone. I think that I will convert all my .wav to .flac files, then convert all these plus all other tracks to .ogg - this should keep me occupied for a month or three. Even to my 'lossy' hearing, .ogg sounds better than .mp3(or.wma for that matter). If any of my vista/XP email friends want a particular track I can always convert before sending so they can play it. brian From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 13:43:04 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:43:04 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908011343.04934.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 01:23:13 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> Recently I tried to play an .wmv. Dragon Player would not play it, so I > >> attempted to install xine using KpackageKit. Not sure which > >> applications were required, I attempted installing all of the Xine > >> packages except the Gnome > >> > >> [1. 470171] ACPI: Expecting a reference package element, found type 0 > >> [5. 843020] [Firmware bug]: powernow k8: Your BIOS does not provide > >> ACPI _PSS objects in a way that Linux understands. Please report this > >> to the Linux ACPI maintainers and complain to your BIOS vender. > >> [5. 843100] Same instruction repeated. > >> [5. 843179] Same instruction repeated. > >> [5. 843257] Same instruction repeated. > >> Loading please wait............ > >> 19 +0 records in > >> 19 +0 records out > >> kinit: name_to_dev_t(/dev/disk/by > >> uuid/8d4cf1eb-30e4-4048-830a-b41eeba5c0dc > > > > Dear Steven, as I see it, most likely you updated your kernel. > > Now, I remember vaguely that you have to use a kernel > > parameter inside grub in order to make you super-multi-ram > > PC working. was is acpi=off or something with PCI? > > > > If this is correct, your new kernel grub line might not have > > the parameter. > > > > You probably should try to boot the old kernel from the grub > > menu. > > > > Alternatively, you might insert your proven parameters into > > the grub menu.lst file. > > Or you can edit the grub boot line direct in the grub boot menu. Press > e on the line you want to edit and add what ever option you want to > try. It want survive the next reboot but it's faster to try out > things, later you can add them in menu.lst. > > / Jonas I haven't ever done anything like that and wouldn't know what to edit or change or what to change it to. Can you advise me what to do? Thanks! Steven From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Sat Aug 1 14:02:28 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Locked up in boot process. References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011343.04934.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:43:04 +0000, Steven Vollom wrote: > On Saturday 01 August 2009 01:23:13 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: >> Or you can edit the grub boot line direct in the grub boot menu. Press >> e on the line you want to edit and add what ever option you want to >> try. It want survive the next reboot but it's faster to try out things, >> later you can add them in menu.lst. >> >> / Jonas > I haven't ever done anything like that and wouldn't know what to edit or > change or what to change it to. Can you advise me what to do? Thanks! > > Steven OK, try this (tested on Ubuntu 8.04): 1. Boot your computer and wait till the list of kernels comes up. 2. press 'e' 3. With the up and down arrow keys select the line beginning with 'kernel' 4. press 'e' 5. press the spacebar and then type your boot parameter: pci=nomsi 6. press 'Esc' 6. press 'b' This is also explained on screen. Let the list know how it goes :-) -Frans From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 14:38:00 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:38:00 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011343.04934.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 02:02:28 pm Frans Ketelaars wrote: > On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:43:04 +0000, Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Saturday 01 August 2009 01:23:13 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> Or you can edit the grub boot line direct in the grub boot menu. Press > >> e on the line you want to edit and add what ever option you want to > >> try. It want survive the next reboot but it's faster to try out things, > >> later you can add them in menu.lst. > >> > >> / Jonas > > > > I haven't ever done anything like that and wouldn't know what to edit or > > change or what to change it to. Can you advise me what to do? Thanks! > > > > Steven > > OK, try this (tested on Ubuntu 8.04): > > 1. Boot your computer and wait till the list of kernels comes up. > 2. press 'e' Dear Frans, My computer is quad 64bit AMD. I never have gotten a list of kernels. I don't even get a repair mode or safe mode. I am also running Jaunty kde 4.2.2 If it is in my machine, how do I find it? thanks. > 3. With the up and down arrow keys select the line beginning with 'kernel' > 4. press 'e' > 5. press the spacebar and then type your boot parameter: pci=nomsi My memory isn't perfect, but I recall including the pci=nomsi comment using Kate under the kernel entries. I thought the address was something like /boot/grub/??, but I can not find a grub folder in Boot. It should be in the instructions though. I remember doing it. When I open boot, I get only the following files: abi-2.6.28-11-generic config-2.6.28-11-generic memtest86+.bin System.map-w.6.28-11-generic vmcoreinfo-2.6.28-11-generic Steven > 6. press 'Esc' > 6. press 'b' > > This is also explained on screen. > > Let the list know how it goes :-) > > -Frans From bettini at dsi.unifi.it Sat Aug 1 13:14:20 2009 From: bettini at dsi.unifi.it (Lorenzo Bettini) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:14:20 +0200 Subject: ATI has three employees working on FOSS Linux drivers In-Reply-To: <880dece00907150834obdd624aq124af29a4f74da7@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00907150834obdd624aq124af29a4f74da7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: > This is why I buy ATI video and not Nvidia: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzM4Mg > > Support the companies who support Linux. Buy ATI. > ATI? Never again :-) http://tronprog.blogspot.com/2009/05/goodbye-ati-welcome-nvidia.html -- Lorenzo Bettini, PhD in Computer Science, DI, Univ. Torino ICQ# lbetto, 16080134 (GNU/Linux User # 158233) HOME: http://www.lorenzobettini.it MUSIC: http://www.purplesucker.com http://www.myspace.com/supertrouperabba BLOGS: http://tronprog.blogspot.com http://longlivemusic.blogspot.com http://www.gnu.org/software/src-highlite http://www.gnu.org/software/gengetopt http://www.gnu.org/software/gengen http://doublecpp.sourceforge.net From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Aug 1 15:21:31 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:21:31 +0800 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011343.04934.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > On Saturday 01 August 2009 02:02:28 pm Frans Ketelaars wrote: >> On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:43:04 +0000, Steven Vollom wrote: >>> On Saturday 01 August 2009 01:23:13 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: >>>> Or you can edit the grub boot line direct in the grub boot menu. Press >>>> e on the line you want to edit and add what ever option you want to >>>> try. It want survive the next reboot but it's faster to try out things, >>>> later you can add them in menu.lst. >>>> >>>> / Jonas >>> I haven't ever done anything like that and wouldn't know what to edit or >>> change or what to change it to. Can you advise me what to do? Thanks! >>> >>> Steven >> OK, try this (tested on Ubuntu 8.04): >> >> 1. Boot your computer and wait till the list of kernels comes up. >> 2. press 'e' > > Dear Frans, > > My computer is quad 64bit AMD. I never have gotten a list of kernels. I > don't even get a repair mode or safe mode. I am also running Jaunty kde 4.2.2 > > If it is in my machine, how do I find it? thanks. > >> 3. With the up and down arrow keys select the line beginning with 'kernel' >> 4. press 'e' >> 5. press the spacebar and then type your boot parameter: pci=nomsi > > My memory isn't perfect, but I recall including the pci=nomsi comment using > Kate under the kernel entries. I thought the address was something like > /boot/grub/??, but I can not find a grub folder in Boot. It should be in the > instructions though. I remember doing it. > > When I open boot, I get only the following files: > > abi-2.6.28-11-generic > config-2.6.28-11-generic > memtest86+.bin > System.map-w.6.28-11-generic > vmcoreinfo-2.6.28-11-generic > > Steven > > >> 6. press 'Esc' >> 6. press 'b' >> >> This is also explained on screen. >> >> Let the list know how it goes :-) >> >> -Frans > > Steven, please note down (write down) Frans' message. If I understand correctly, you cannot even boot in. If you can , to correct the above, you can do.... kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst add a line.... pci=nomsi at the bottom of the first entry. That is what I think you had done in the past. But since you cannot boot up now, follow Frans' message. regards, Goh Lip From bbales at cox.net Sat Aug 1 15:27:50 2009 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:27:50 -0500 Subject: Which KDE do I have? was -- Can't get wireless to work with kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <4A741CCB.5010208@tzora.co.il> References: <200907302252.32014.bbales@cox.net> <200908010838.02175.kassube@gmx.net> <4A741CCB.5010208@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <200908011027.50607.bbales@cox.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 05:45:31 Errol Sapir wrote: > I see that this thread is over but I still want to put in my 2c. I use > WICD as my network manager. Since being introduced to that program I > have NOOOOOOO problems connecting to wireless or wired connection. The > network manager (I was told - and also found out from my own experience) > is pretty lousy so WICD, answers the problem very well. > Errol > Errol, David and Nils, Thanks to all for the help. After several subsequent boots on the laptop, I found that I no longer needed to put in the iwconfig .... line. All I needed to do was go to the network manager (which has a list of nearby wireless providers) and click on my essid (bbs). It has even stored my key code and firefox came right up. With Kubuntu 9.04 and so many changes to the looks of the thing, I assumed I was working with KDE 4.2. Running kded --version gives me Qt 3.3.8b KDE 3.5.10 KDE Daemon? $ID: kded.cp 711061 2007-09-01 09:07:51z tpatzig$ What happened to KDE 4? bruce PS. If this is a top-post, it seemed appropriate here. b² > Nils Kassube wrote: > > David McGlone wrote: > >> This is what my interfaces file looks like on my laptop: > >> > >> auto lo > >> iface lo inet loopback > >> > >> #auto eth0 > >> #iface eth0 inet static > >> #address 192.168.2.2 > >> #netmask 255.255.255.0 > >> #network 192.168.2.0 > >> #broadcast 192.168.2.255 > >> #gateway 192.168.2.1 > >> #dns-nameserver 192.168.2.1 > >> #dns-search dmcghome > >> > >> iface wlan0 inet static > >> address 192.168.2.3 > >> netmask 255.255.255.0 > >> gateway 192.168.2.1 > >> dns-nameserver 192.168.2.1 > >> dns-search dmcghome > >> wireless-essid dmcghome > >> > >> auto wlan0 > >> > >> > >> I had to comment out eth0 because for some odd reason, I couldn't > >> connect to wlan0 with the eth0 info in the file > > > > I think the odd reason is that both eth0 and wlan0 would be on the same > > network, i.e. 192.168.2.0. If you don't have your eth0 connected, the > > network seems to be unreachable because data are sent on either eth0 or > > wlan0 but not on both at the same time. That is the disadvantage of > > static entries if your hardware connection isn't static. You have to > > enable / disable the interfaces manually if they aren't connected. > > > >> Without this info in the file, Internet wouldn't work for me. > > > > Then you didn't try to use networkmanager or wicd lately, they don't > > need static entries in the interfaces file. And they can handle > > switching wired/wireless more or less automatically. > > > >> I doubt this will help, but I hope it does. > > > > At least it is always interesting to see how others have solved their > > network problems. Fortunately Bruce seems to have his machine working in > > the meantime. > > > > > > Nils From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Aug 1 15:40:53 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:40:53 +0800 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011343.04934.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Goh Lip wrote: > That is what I think you had done in the past. > But since you cannot boot up now, follow Frans' message. Steven, I wanted to but forgot to add that following Jonas message is also quite straightforward, but I am not really sure if you have the pci=nomsi in the grub kernel as you may have reinstalled, if we recall correctly. Regards, Goh Lip From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 15:57:28 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:57:28 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908011557.28411.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 03:21:31 pm Goh Lip wrote: > kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst I don't have menu.lst file anymore. I have no idea what happened to it. The first thing I did was try to open Kate and find that file to make sure pci=nomsi was in the kernel. I swear I have not been doing anything with configuration for a long time. The only thing I did was attempt to install xine. It failed due to a permissions problem. Then this happened. I have had no trouble with anything for quite a while until the xine install failure. It took a while, but I went through every item in the files that were in the boot folder looking for ACPI problems with PSS. I could not finde any entry that had both ACPI and PSS in the same line. How could the grub folder disappear like that? Steven From kassube at gmx.net Sat Aug 1 16:05:56 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:05:56 +0200 Subject: Which KDE do I have? was -- Can't get wireless to work with kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <200908011027.50607.bbales@cox.net> References: <200907302252.32014.bbales@cox.net> <4A741CCB.5010208@tzora.co.il> <200908011027.50607.bbales@cox.net> Message-ID: <200908011805.56954.kassube@gmx.net> Bruce Bales wrote: > With Kubuntu 9.04 and so many changes to the looks of the thing, I > assumed I was working with KDE 4.2. Running kded --version gives me > > Qt 3.3.8b > KDE 3.5.10 > KDE Daemon? $ID: kded.cp 711061 2007-09-01 09:07:51z tpatzig$ > > What happened to KDE 4? Kubuntu 9.04 is still a mixture of KDE3 and KDE4, i.e. there are some programs which aren't yet ported to KDE4 and those are available as KDE3 version. Your KDE version is 4.2.2 but those KDE3 programs are from version 3.5.10 and if you ask those programs they tell you the wrong version number :) Nils From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Aug 1 16:08:55 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:08:55 +0800 Subject: Reinstallation - apt-cdrom Message-ID: Steven, this may help ease in reinstallation of your OS, should you need to do it. I am putting in a new subject so that it will not confuse you with your current boot problems. Other than backing up your home, and I understand you have a separate partition now for it, the following will help you reinstall your various applications like biblestudy, wine etc. without needing to download again. make a folder called say, Repo in your home. install dpkg-dev and build-essential sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/Steven/Repo cd /home/Steven/Repo sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz burn a cd of all the items in Repo sudo apt-cdrom add Whenever you do any installation, it will probe your cdrom and install from there and use these files instead of downloading again unless there are newer versions available. Before you copy files to Repo, it is advisable to sudo apt-get autoremove sudo apt-get autoclean to clear out outdated or older versions of the packages. Hope this helps; you will find reinstallation a breeze. Regards, Goh Lip ps: as many have stated before, preferable to use aptitude instead especially when using ppa like kde4.3 or beta like Karmic. sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude safe-upgrade From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Aug 1 16:19:31 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:19:31 +0800 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011557.28411.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011557.28411.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > On Saturday 01 August 2009 03:21:31 pm Goh Lip wrote: >> kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst > I don't have menu.lst file anymore. I have no idea what happened to it. The > first thing I did was try to open Kate and find that file to make sure pci=nomsi > was in the kernel. > > I swear I have not been doing anything with configuration for a long time. The > only thing I did was attempt to install xine. It failed due to a permissions > problem. Then this happened. I have had no trouble with anything for quite a > while until the xine install failure. > > It took a while, but I went through every item in the files that were in the > boot folder looking for ACPI problems with PSS. I could not finde any entry > that had both ACPI and PSS in the same line. > > How could the grub folder disappear like that? > > Steven > Beats me. Even if you have updated to grub2 inadvertently, you still should have menu.lst. But, how did you find this out if you cannot boot in? If you can, can you make sure there is also no grub.cfg? Steven, if all you can get is only the command line, you cannot do a kdesudo kate ..... at all. Try locate... Regards, Goh Lip From bbales at cox.net Sat Aug 1 16:51:36 2009 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:51:36 -0500 Subject: Which KDE do I have? was -- Can't get wireless to work with kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <200908011805.56954.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200907302252.32014.bbales@cox.net> <200908011027.50607.bbales@cox.net> <200908011805.56954.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908011151.36278.bbales@cox.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 11:05:56 Nils Kassube wrote: > Bruce Bales wrote: > > With Kubuntu 9.04 and so many changes to the looks of the thing, I > > assumed I was working with KDE 4.2. Running kded --version gives me > > > > Qt 3.3.8b > > KDE 3.5.10 > > KDE Daemon? $ID: kded.cp 711061 2007-09-01 09:07:51z tpatzig$ > > > > What happened to KDE 4? > > Kubuntu 9.04 is still a mixture of KDE3 and KDE4, i.e. there are some > programs which aren't yet ported to KDE4 and those are available as KDE3 > version. Your KDE version is 4.2.2 but those KDE3 programs are from > version 3.5.10 and if you ask those programs they tell you the wrong > version number :) > > > Nils Thank you, Nils bruce From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Aug 1 16:52:15 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:52:15 -0400 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908011252.15429.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009, Steven Vollom wrote: >On Saturday 01 August 2009 02:02:28 pm Frans Ketelaars wrote: >> On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:43:04 +0000, Steven Vollom wrote: >> > On Saturday 01 August 2009 01:23:13 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: >> >> Or you can edit the grub boot line direct in the grub boot menu. Press >> >> e on the line you want to edit and add what ever option you want to >> >> try. It want survive the next reboot but it's faster to try out things, >> >> later you can add them in menu.lst. >> >> >> >> / Jonas >> > >> > I haven't ever done anything like that and wouldn't know what to edit or >> > change or what to change it to. Can you advise me what to do? Thanks! >> > >> > Steven >> >> OK, try this (tested on Ubuntu 8.04): >> >> 1. Boot your computer and wait till the list of kernels comes up. >> 2. press 'e' > >Dear Frans, > >My computer is quad 64bit AMD. I never have gotten a list of kernels. I >don't even get a repair mode or safe mode. I am also running Jaunty kde > 4.2.2 > >If it is in my machine, how do I find it? thanks. > >> 3. With the up and down arrow keys select the line beginning with 'kernel' >> 4. press 'e' >> 5. press the spacebar and then type your boot parameter: pci=nomsi > >My memory isn't perfect, but I recall including the pci=nomsi comment using >Kate under the kernel entries. I thought the address was something like >/boot/grub/??, but I can not find a grub folder in Boot. It should be in > the instructions though. I remember doing it. > >When I open boot, I get only the following files: > >abi-2.6.28-11-generic >config-2.6.28-11-generic >memtest86+.bin >System.map-w.6.28-11-generic >vmcoreinfo-2.6.28-11-generic > >Steven If that is all you can see in /boot, Steven, then that install seems to be hosed as grub itself was never installed. I'd do it again, from a cold powerup with the install disk in the optical drive. Note that forward slash though, just 'boot' instead of '/boot' might be getting you the wrong directory somehow made during a broken install. >> 6. press 'Esc' >> 6. press 'b' >> >> This is also explained on screen. >> >> Let the list know how it goes :-) >> >> -Frans -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. The brain is a wonderful organ; it starts working the moment you get up in the morning, and does not stop until you get to work. From myriam at kubuntu.org Sat Aug 1 17:22:18 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:22:18 +0200 Subject: audio format converter In-Reply-To: <4A74447B.9020007@btinternet.com> References: <4A74447B.9020007@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 15:34, Brian Norman Wootton wrote: ... > Even to my 'lossy' hearing, .ogg sounds better than .mp3(or.wma for that matter). If any of my vista/XP email friends want a particular track I can always convert before sending so they can play it. No need for that, ogg should be playable also by windows players, after all, it is a free format not difficult to implement as it is well documented. Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 17:25:25 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:25:25 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim Dear Goh Lip, His instruction says to boot to where the list of kernels shows up. He is running Ubuntu 8.04, I am running jaunty kde4.2.2. I never have seen that screen since Jaunty installation. I haven't been able to enter the boot menu, it goes by too fast to enter. Before this problem, I was able to edit the menu.lst in grub using kate, but it no longer shows in the boot folder. The screen the computer stops at says that the language is not readable by the computer when APCI _PSS is entered. I can't find that either. The Grub folder is no longer in the Boot folder. When I run a find, it says to look in /home/ubuntu. It is not there. I opened Kate and opened boot, but grub was not in the folder. I can assure you that pci=nomsi was in the /boot/grub/menu.lst prior to this problem, and I did not remove or edit it out, so the problem is not pci=nomsi, it is the grub folder. It doesn't seem to exist anymore. How can I generate a Grub and enter it into the Boot Directory? I am loosing my confidence in Jaunty. The last four times I reinstalled Jaunty, I could tell by the helpers that I was deemed the reason the problems caused the need to reinstall. I don't have any problem with people feeling that way, other than the fact that it is not true. All four reinstalls were like this one. Something simple like installing an application caused the actual problem that I was blamed for. I have installed Jaunty about 20 times in the last 2 months. Entering pci=nomsi is about as common for me as clicking on the Menu button to look at applications. In over a month, I have not tinkered at all with the system. It has been working fine. This failure happened when installing an application offered in the KpackageKit package manager and was installed by KpackageKit, until a problem occurred. I was not multitasking other things. The installation was the only application running. Just the fact that I can remember the file menu.lst in grub in boot should tell you that I have been there many times and am not remiss in installing pci=nomsi. I have copied his email to the letter, but I can not do what he asks of me. I have never been able to enter grub at boot; it goes by too fast. I have tried at least 100 times. I just can't do it. The only way I have been able to instll pci=nomsi is with help using the command line or editing using Kate, which I have done a couple of dozen times. I am confident that if you type in /root/boot/grub/menu.lst, kate opens showing the file. It doesn't in my computer anymore. It is apparently the problem. And I assure you that I did not remove or edit out the Grub or menu.lst from the computer. They were missing after a routine GUI installation of Xine that failed for whatever reason. I am perhaps being redundant, but I want you to understand that I most probably am not misunderstanding and failing to attempt the instructions in error. If pci=nomsi is the problem, it is the problem because the folder it is supposed to be in is missing. I do not have a clue how that happened. I have reread this and I can't see anything that required checking my notes. How can the Grub folder be removed by an application like Xine? How is grub made in the first place? How can I make it again? How can I create the data that would be in the menu.lst file so that I can put it in a grub folder once recreated? If I can't fix this problem without reinstalling, I don't want to use Jaunty anymore. Since I can't get my computer to run it previous versions, I will have to install Karamic. It can't be any worse than this. I have loved the jaunty version, but it breaks without reason anymore. This stuff must have been fixed in Karmic. I am not sure that the updates are not causing the new problems too. I really think I understand the cause, and it is not my misuse of the computer. I seem to hear you use Karmic. Is it far enough along for me to use? Thanks for the help my friend. I have about 30 emails from my friend Hein in South Africa about entering the boot and adding pci=nomsi. No matter how close we have become, I don't think he believes me about the boot menu either. I see the word boot, but the screen lasts no longer than a nanosecond before continuing with the boot. You just can not time the pressing of f8 to enter it. Steven Steven From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 17:31:52 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:31:52 -0400 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0908011031i3876d4d4k994e49e7542e0c06@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > I am confident that if you type in /root/boot/grub/menu.lst, kate opens > showing > the file. It doesn't in my computer anymore. It is apparently the > problem. Stevie, Try typing /boot/grub/menu.lst -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 17:32:54 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:32:54 +0200 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > I have about 30 emails from my friend Hein in South Africa about entering the > boot and adding pci=nomsi.  No matter how close we have become, I don't think > he believes me about the boot menu either.  I see the word boot, but the > screen lasts no longer than a nanosecond before continuing with the boot.  You > just can not time the pressing of f8 to enter it. > F8 is for the Windows boot loader, in grub i think you press ESC to get the grub boot menu. I use to deactivate that so I always see the menu. / Jonas From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 17:45:45 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:45:45 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908011745.45899.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 03:40:53 pm Goh Lip wrote: > Goh Lip wrote: > > That is what I think you had done in the past. > > But since you cannot boot up now, follow Frans' message. > > Steven, I wanted to but forgot to add that following Jonas message is > also quite straightforward, but I am not really sure if you have the > pci=nomsi > in the grub kernel as you may have reinstalled, if we recall correctly. > Regards, > Goh Lip I am so proficient in installing Jaunty that I can install including the updates at the end of installation in 14 minutes. That includes configuring kmail, which has become even a faster task in the last 2 updates. I can also install kubuntu restricted extras as fast as any human alive. I almost don't pause through the Sun agreement. And to be sure you can believe that I am proficient, I never have to reconfigure anything in the first installation. In fact the first thing I do after the installation is check for mail, and it always receives mail, which I respond to without error. I believe it is time for people to start believing me a bit more. I remember how it was always my bumbling that caused the problems in the past, now, when it happens, I am left clueless. Things that have worked flawlessly in the past end up with problems. I am no longer careless in the installation procedure. Most of the mistakes I used to make I have learned and do not make anymore. There are a few. I don't install repositories and keys very successfully. Too much time transpires between having the task to redo, but If I keep having to reinstall to solve my problems, that too will become easy for me. My problem in that process is that I do not really understand what I am doing, so when there is a failure in any step, I can not yet think through the problem. A helper will give me a link to do something and it will not perform as advertised. That stops me until someone enters the conversation again. The time lapse between getting the problems worked out, leaves me with what I need at the end of the process and not enough repetition that works for me to generate a permanent memory. As a result, I use the system once installed properly, but have no idea how to repeat the task the nest time. I am referring to adding PPA's and Keys, here. Next I would like to learn how to build a command to have something done that I want to do. And how to understand a man page. I understand that sometimes an instruction will work, but a slightly better instruction will get a better result. I would like to start learning that, and what grep and words like that mean and do. But if no one will believe me when I say that I cannot enter the Boot when booting up, or that I can not edit a file that is in a folder that doesn't exist where it belongs, I can not follow the instructions that require those things. I wish you could open /boot on my machine; the first thing you would say is where is /Grub, then where is menu.lst. So if I can't enter the grub at boot, I have to edit the file using an editor. And if the file doesn't exist, I can not edit it. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 18:19:15 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:19:15 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908011819.15709.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 05:32:54 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > > I have about 30 emails from my friend Hein in South Africa about entering > > the boot and adding pci=nomsi. No matter how close we have become, I > > don't think he believes me about the boot menu either. I see the word > > boot, but the screen lasts no longer than a nanosecond before continuing > > with the boot. You just can not time the pressing of f8 to enter it. > > F8 is for the Windows boot loader, in grub i think you press ESC to > get the grub boot menu. I use to deactivate that so I always see the > menu. > > / Jonas When the first screen comes up, the instruction for entering boot is f8. I am not fast enough. Perhaps a nanosecond the screen shows then moves on. My system just roars past that step in the boot process, and I don't know how to slow it down. Before this problem happened yesterday, I transfered data from drive to drive 1gb in about 6 seconds. 170mbs. At the end of move, it showed a speed of 95mbs, but the rest was 170+mbs. I have been told that it isn't possible with my computer, but it happened. Transfers always start at least 130mbs. I think it is the combination of the SATA drives, the ext4 file system, and perhaps the ram, but I don't think the ram has much to do with it. I am only using 4gb at the moment. I wouldn't boast so boldly about this; it isn't really a boast. And even though it can't happen, it is happening, every time I move data, almost. Sometimes it only moves around 60mbs, but I think that must have to do with the type of file or something, because usually it starts 130mbs + and holds pretty steady. I hate to talk about this, because I don't think anyone believes me, but usually on a 1.4gb transfer, the window that shows progress opens and closes. By the time I can open the window by clicking on the "i" icon, the move is already finished. AMD quad 9600 Black Edition W/4gb ram. 500mb SATA to 1tb SATA. The only way I have been able to edit the menu.lst file is by doing so using Kate. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 18:20:52 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:20:52 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908011031i3876d4d4k994e49e7542e0c06@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011031i3876d4d4k994e49e7542e0c06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908011820.52279.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 05:31:52 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > > I am confident that if you type in /root/boot/grub/menu.lst, kate opens > > showing > > the file. It doesn't in my computer anymore. It is apparently the > > problem. > > Stevie, > > Try typing > > /boot/grub/menu.lst ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ I am glad you asked the question. Now do you believe me? Where did it go? Steven From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 18:35:11 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:35:11 -0400 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011820.52279.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011031i3876d4d4k994e49e7542e0c06@mail.gmail.com> <200908011820.52279.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0908011135q280aa460s1ff15a2af046aeee@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > > > > Stevie, > > > > Try typing > > > > /boot/grub/menu.lst > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst > bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > Try typing: kate /boot/grub/menu.lst -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 18:45:18 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:45:18 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011252.15429.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011252.15429.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200908011845.18624.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim > If that is all you can see in /boot, Steven, then that install seems to be > hosed as grub itself was never installed. I'd do it again, from a cold > powerup with the install disk in the optical drive. Note that forward > slash though, just 'boot' instead of '/boot' might be getting you the wrong > directory somehow made during a broken install. I am not sure I understand what you are saying here. My computer has been working fine for over a month. Minor glitches have appeared just after an upgrade, but even then everything has been problem free, as far as I am concerned. See for yourself: ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub bash: /boot/grub: No such file or directory ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ Before the failed install of xine, my computer worked fine. I was stopped in the middle of installation with an instruction that I did not have proper permissions, and to install I was in sudo. Immediately after closing KpackageKit, I was unable to open Konqueror, or Dolphin, or a shell. I came to the boot problem when I tried to restart my computer. I haven't been experimenting or playing at all with any configurations or trying to make difficult installations for over a month. To be honest, I injured myself and wasn't able to spend the time on too many thoughtful projects, but I was motivated to stop taking the hits for a while. I have been using my computer for pleasure only. When I couldn't play a .wmv, I attempted to install Xine, because it was recommended. I am concerned that some of the recent updates have broken previous good work. In the month that preceded this crash, I had to reinstall about 20 times. I took a lot of cheap shots through that time period where the assumption seemed to be that I was just playing with my computer and that was the cause of the screw ups. I am a pretty easy going fellow, but it got so depressing to hear the same innuendos, that I stopped doing anything interesting on my computer and just used it to send emails and view movies and the like. So when this happened, I did not have anything to relate the problem to from a stable system. And like before, no one seems to believe my comments. But I am an expert at installing Jaunty perfectly and kmail and other things that are necessary immediately after installation, so I am sure that this is not a problem cause by me, unless I am to blame for wanting to install xine, using kpackagekit. It is the only different thing done to my computer in over a month of working better than perfectly. Transfer speeds now exceed what the computer is supposed to be capable of, But they are what they are. One gig moved in 6 seconds. Perhaps that is the reason this happened. I use ext4 exclusively. Could the extra speed be causing the installation problems? My brain feels like it is in a vice. Thanks for the help, friend. Steven > > >> 6. press 'Esc' > >> 6. press 'b' > >> > >> This is also explained on screen. > >> > >> Let the list know how it goes :-) > >> > >> -Frans > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. > > > The brain is a wonderful organ; it starts working the moment you get up > in the morning, and does not stop until you get to work. From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Sat Aug 1 18:56:01 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Locked up in boot process. References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011557.28411.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:57:28 +0000, Steven Vollom wrote: > On Saturday 01 August 2009 03:21:31 pm Goh Lip wrote: >> kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst > I don't have menu.lst file anymore. I have no idea what happened to > it. The first thing I did was try to open Kate and find that file to > make sure pci=nomsi was in the kernel. > > I swear I have not been doing anything with configuration for a long > time. The only thing I did was attempt to install xine. It failed due > to a permissions problem. Then this happened. I have had no trouble > with anything for quite a while until the xine install failure. > > It took a while, but I went through every item in the files that were in > the boot folder looking for ACPI problems with PSS. I could not finde > any entry that had both ACPI and PSS in the same line. > > How could the grub folder disappear like that? > > Steven At least you seem to get a command prompt. Just to make sure: what is the output of "df -h" ? A full partition can cause strange problems ... And try to relax ;) -Frans From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 18:56:51 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:56:51 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011557.28411.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908011856.51314.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim > > Beats me. Even if you have updated to grub2 inadvertently, you still > should have menu.lst. But, how did you find this out if you cannot boot > in? If you can, can you make sure there is also no grub.cfg? I am using the Live CD. It is the only way I can communicate or try things. I am not able to make certain changes, but I am able to view my files in the regular OS. I wanted to save an email I got while in the Live CD and tried to copy and paste it to the document file of my normal OS, but it would not let me do that, and I had to write it out long hand. I was being obedient to an instruction that involved editing the menu.lst, even though I could non find a Grub or a Menu.lst. My reference to the ACPI _PSS was to the comment at the end of the boot explaining why things were not continuing. I hand wrote that screen, and it is around here some place. But when I posted it, no one made any comment about it, so I forgot about it. > > Steven, if all you can get is only the command line, you cannot do a > kdesudo kate ..... at all. > Try locate... > > Regards, > Goh Lip When I try to open Kate to /boot/grub/menu.lst, kate opens blank. I guess I am going to have to re-install again, but I sure would like to know how to save then reinstall my mail stuff and e-Sword and Wine, and perhaps the PPA's and keys. I always have trouble reinstalling them, and I don't know why. I suppose if I knew why, I wouldn't have the trouble. But, I don't know how to save that data and get it installed again without starting over. Those steps take me a couple of days to work through. I am getting tired of having to do that instead of fixing the problems that arise. I don't learn either, if I take that short-cut which for me is a long-cut. Thanks for continuing to try to help, my friend. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 18:58:45 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:58:45 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908011135q280aa460s1ff15a2af046aeee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011820.52279.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011135q280aa460s1ff15a2af046aeee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908011858.45444.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 06:35:11 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > > > Stevie, > > > > > > Try typing > > > > > > /boot/grub/menu.lst > > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst > > bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > Try typing: > > kate /boot/grub/menu.lst It opens to an empty window. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 19:01:22 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:01:22 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011557.28411.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908011901.22642.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 06:56:01 pm Frans Ketelaars wrote: > On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:57:28 +0000, Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Saturday 01 August 2009 03:21:31 pm Goh Lip wrote: > >> kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst > > > > I don't have menu.lst file anymore. I have no idea what happened to > > it. The first thing I did was try to open Kate and find that file to > > make sure pci=nomsi was in the kernel. > > > > I swear I have not been doing anything with configuration for a long > > time. The only thing I did was attempt to install xine. It failed due > > to a permissions problem. Then this happened. I have had no trouble > > with anything for quite a while until the xine install failure. > > > > It took a while, but I went through every item in the files that were in > > the boot folder looking for ACPI problems with PSS. I could not finde > > any entry that had both ACPI and PSS in the same line. > > > > How could the grub folder disappear like that? > > > > Steven > > At least you seem to get a command prompt. Just to make sure: what is the > output of "df -h" ? A full partition can cause strange problems ... > > And try to relax ;) > > -Frans ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on tmpfs 2.0G 2.7M 1.9G 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11- generic/volatile tmpfs 2.0G 2.7M 1.9G 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11- generic/volatile tmpfs 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /lib/init/rw varrun 2.0G 108K 2.0G 1% /var/run varlock 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /var/lock udev 2.0G 164K 2.0G 1% /dev tmpfs 2.0G 12K 2.0G 1% /dev/shm rootfs 2.0G 65M 1.9G 4% / /dev/sr0 695M 695M 0 100% /cdrom /dev/loop0 678M 678M 0 100% /rofs tmpfs 2.0G 24K 2.0G 1% /tmp /dev/sda1 459G 4.6G 431G 2% /media/disk ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ Thanks for sticking with me. I really want to solve this one without reinstalling. Steven From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Aug 1 19:03:28 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:03:28 +0800 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011438.00564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > Trim > His instruction says to boot to where the list of kernels shows up. He is > running Ubuntu 8.04, I am running jaunty kde4.2.2. I never have seen that > screen since Jaunty installation. I haven't been able to enter the boot menu, > it goes by too fast to enter. Before this problem, I was able to edit the > menu.lst in grub using kate, but it no longer shows in the boot folder. > We don't know who and what instructions,(so we don't know what you are talking about) but we can assume he is well intentioned and good. But if I were to give a wrong instruction (and it will happen) on the list here, others would have said so and it is good not only for you but for me as well. But never mind, as soon as you turn on the computer, as it is fast, keep pressing 'esc' (F8, you say?) continually to make sure you can arrest the grub menu. Come to think of it, press the 'down arrow' continually. Just make sure you stop at the grub menu. > The screen the computer stops at says that the language is not readable by the > computer when APCI _PSS is entered. I can't find that either. > I really don't know what this means. Looks like a bios thingy. > The Grub folder is no longer in the Boot folder. I am not sure if we can ascertain that from this alone, but Gene's message makes good sense. > When I run a find, it says to look in /home/ubuntu. It is not there. > I opened Kate and opened boot, but grub was not in the folder. 'find' is a more powerful search than 'locate', but grub is not in /home/, it is in /root/. And I asked how could you use kate when you cannot get into gui mode? I am still puzzled. Please explain so we can understand. If you can get into kate, it should mean you are in a graphics mode already. So what's the problem? Are you booting using an older kernel as Jonas suggested? So grub is not empty? > , > it is the grub folder. It doesn't seem to exist anymore. How can I generate > a Grub and enter it into the Boot Directory? > > I am confident that if you type in /root/boot/grub/menu.lst, kate opens showing > the file. It doesn't in my computer anymore. It is apparently the problem. That's what we are saying all along. You can't use kate at a command prompt. > And I assure you that I did not remove or edit out the Grub or menu.lst from > the computer. They were missing after a routine GUI installation of Xine that > failed for whatever reason. I don't think installing Xine or the failure to install Xine is the cause of the problem. (Why you need to install this is another matter.) > I am perhaps being redundant, but I want you to understand that I most > probably am not misunderstanding and failing to attempt the instructions in > error. If pci=nomsi is the problem, it is the problem because the folder it > is supposed to be in is missing. I do not have a clue how that happened. Neither do we actually, Steven. We can surmise that .... o When you tried to add pci=nomsi in your menu.lst, you accidentally delete it. o When you tried a linux command... o or ten other reasons But it is okay, no need to tear our hair out if cannot identify the cause. > I have reread this and I can't see anything that required checking my notes. > How can the Grub folder be removed by an application like Xine? How is grub > made in the first place? How can I make it again? How can I create the data > that would be in the menu.lst file so that I can put it in a grub folder once > recreated? Can you really go into kate and say print out /etc/fstab? (careful..) If you can, there is hope. Let us know, please. > If I can't fix this problem without reinstalling, I don't want to use Jaunty > anymore. Since I can't get my computer to run it previous versions, I will > have to install Karamic. It can't be any worse than this. Steven, we know you long enough....relax. > > I have loved the jaunty version, but it breaks without reason anymore. There sure is a reason, we just don't know what that is. > This stuff must have been fixed in Karmic. I am not sure that the updates are not > causing the new problems too. I really think I understand the cause, and it > is not my misuse of the computer. I seem to hear you use Karmic. Is it far > enough along for me to use? Thanks for the help my friend. I have said before, I am reluctant to tell you what you should use. I could say stick with Jaunty, don't touch kde 4.3 now any you 'could' be thinking 'Why are you using Karmic yourself?'. If I say 'Go, get Karmic!', I am 98.89% sure you will run into problems, and you 'could' think I am misleading you. Heck, I get into problems all the time in Karmic, why do you think I am keeping Hardy? It helps in debugging my Karmic! Why do I get Karmic then? I got into problems when converted to kde 4.3 beta in Jaunty. Thought of reinstalling when I thought I try Karmic first before reinstalling Jaunty. Since I have Hardy, thought I just 'played' with Karmic. (And yes, I am having fun). Do you really want to do that? Then, go ahead. > I have about 30 emails from my friend Hein in South Africa about entering the > boot and adding pci=nomsi. No matter how close we have become, I don't think > he believes me about the boot menu either. I see the word boot, but the > screen lasts no longer than a nanosecond before continuing with the boot. You > just can not time the pressing of f8 to enter it. Steven, I think you should just be happy you have a friend from South Africa who wants to help you, just like you should be happy that there's so many of us here who wants to help you. Whether we can or not is immaterial. At least we all tried. Take care, be happy. (I need to take my beauty sleep now. Catch up with you later.) Regards, Goh Lip From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 19:05:55 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:05:55 +0000 Subject: Reinstallation - apt-cdrom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908011905.55374.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 04:08:55 pm Goh Lip wrote: > Steven, this may help ease in reinstallation of your OS, should you need > to do it. I am putting in a new subject so that it will not confuse you > with your current boot problems. Other than backing up your home, and I > understand you have a separate partition now for it, the following will > help you reinstall your various applications like biblestudy, wine etc. > without needing to download again. > > make a folder called say, Repo in your home. > install dpkg-dev and build-essential > sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/Steven/Repo > cd /home/Steven/Repo > sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz > > burn a cd of all the items in Repo > > sudo apt-cdrom add > > > Whenever you do any installation, it will probe your cdrom and install > from there and use these files instead of downloading again unless there > are newer versions available. > > Before you copy files to Repo, it is advisable to > sudo apt-get autoremove > sudo apt-get autoclean > > to clear out outdated or older versions of the packages. > > Hope this helps; you will find reinstallation a breeze. > > Regards, > Goh Lip > > ps: as many have stated before, preferable to use aptitude instead > especially when using ppa like kde4.3 or beta like Karmic. > > sudo aptitude update > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade OOOOOOOOOOOOOOh thanks. But before I do this, I use e-sword, not bibletime. So if the command needs to be changed to reflect that, I will wait your response. thanks thanks thanks. I can do a reinstall in 14 minutes with about 45 minutes to install kubuntu restricted extras, and I can install that while doing something else. Can't tell you how much I appreciate this. Steven From rjlapham at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 19:07:31 2009 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:07:31 -0400 Subject: Can't connect to unprotected wifi Message-ID: <200908011507.32518.rjlapham@gmail.com> > On Saturday 03 January 2009 10:41:56 pm jerry Lapham wrote: > > I took my Acer Aspire 3002LCi laptop to a friends house and tried to > > connect to her Linksys router. Wicd found it marked as uprotected but > > when I tried to connect Wicd showed it waiting on an IP until it timed > > out. > > > > I have no trouble connecting to my D-Link DI-524 wireless router at home > > or to routers at several motels. I posted the above back in January. Since that time I've been in a couple of motels with unprotected wifi and haven't been able to connect to them either. I still have no trouble connecting to my router at home with either WEP or WPA encryption. So why can't I connect to unprotected routers elsewhere? It's really frustrating. Occasionally a neighbor's unprotected router shows up in wicd with about a 33% signal strength and I can't connect to it either. I don't know whether that's a good test with such a low signal strength or not. Is there any way to see what's going on while wicd is waiting for an IP? Thanks, -Jerry ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Whoever defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results never used a computer. From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 19:07:54 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:07:54 -0400 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011901.22642.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011557.28411.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011901.22642.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0908011207w77bc7616j688abf66e1047a27@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > tmpfs 2.0G 2.7M 1.9G 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11- > generic/volatile > tmpfs 2.0G 2.7M 1.9G 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11- > generic/volatile > tmpfs 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /lib/init/rw > varrun 2.0G 108K 2.0G 1% /var/run > varlock 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /var/lock > udev 2.0G 164K 2.0G 1% /dev > tmpfs 2.0G 12K 2.0G 1% /dev/shm > rootfs 2.0G 65M 1.9G 4% / > /dev/sr0 695M 695M 0 100% /cdrom > /dev/loop0 678M 678M 0 100% /rofs > tmpfs 2.0G 24K 2.0G 1% /tmp > /dev/sda1 459G 4.6G 431G 2% /media/disk > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > Thanks for sticking with me. I really want to solve this one without > reinstalling. > Something seems wrong here. Normally / is assigned to part of your hard drive. Please try the following commands and post: ls -l /media/disk cat /etc/fstab -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 19:16:20 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:16:20 +0000 Subject: Reinstallation - apt-cdrom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908011916.20931.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 04:08:55 pm Goh Lip wrote: > Steven, this may help ease in reinstallation of your OS, should you need > to do it. I am putting in a new subject so that it will not confuse you > with your current boot problems. Other than backing up your home, and I > understand you have a separate partition now for it, the following will > help you reinstall your various applications like biblestudy, wine etc. > without needing to download again. > > make a folder called say, Repo in your home. > install dpkg-dev and build-essential > sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/Steven/Repo > cd /home/Steven/Repo > sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz > > burn a cd of all the items in Repo > > sudo apt-cdrom add > > > Whenever you do any installation, it will probe your cdrom and install > from there and use these files instead of downloading again unless there > are newer versions available. > > Before you copy files to Repo, it is advisable to > sudo apt-get autoremove > sudo apt-get autoclean > > to clear out outdated or older versions of the packages. > > Hope this helps; you will find reinstallation a breeze. > > Regards, > Goh Lip > > ps: as many have stated before, preferable to use aptitude instead > especially when using ppa like kde4.3 or beta like Karmic. > > sudo aptitude update > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade Dear Goh Lip, It isn't fair that I can't give you a big hug. I just read your email and I am laughing with joy. It is something that I have struggled with many times, because I have had to reinstall so many times, just to solve problems. This sounds kind of like a get out of jail card in Monopoly, if you know the game. If this works like I anticipate, I will be very close to in heaven. You are such a fantastic friend and person. I appreciate you so very much. Thanks! Steven From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Sat Aug 1 19:21:04 2009 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:21:04 -0400 Subject: Can't get wireless to work with kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7495A0.3060607@cfl.rr.com> On 07/31/2009 kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > On Thursday 30 July 2009 23:44:08 Nils Kassube wrote: > >> > Bruce Bales wrote: >> >>> > > Wireless on my laptop with kubuntu 8.04 was not easy. I had to >>> > > sudo iwconfig ath0 essid bbs key (the wep code) and then >>> > > sudo dhclient each time I booted up. >>> > > >>> > > Then I upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and the iwconfig line no longer >>> > > works. The iwconfig line gives me "ath0 no such device." >>> > > I tried wlan0, wlan, eth0, ath1 and wlan1 -- same result. >>> >> > >> > What wireless device do you have? I think "ath0" would be some Atheros >> > chipset but which one? 8.04 had the madwifi driver but now the driver is >> > in the kernel, maybe your chipset is not yet supported correctly? To >> > find out what chipset you have, use the commands >> > >> > lspci >> > sudo lshw -C network >> > >> > in a terminal and post the relevant part of the output. And if you want >> > to find out the wireless interface name you can try the command >> > >> > ifconfig -a >> > >> > in a terminal. It will show you the configuration of all interfaces >> > known to your system. >> > >> >>> > > The main page has an icon which says "network management" Clicking >>> > > on that then "network connection" then "enable wireless" then >>> > > "manage connection" gets me nowhere. >>> >> > >> > If you have problems getting the network manager working it may be >> > useful to replace it with wicd. You can install the wicd package from >> > the 9.04 repository. >> > >> > >> > Nils >> > > Thanks for answering, Nils. > lspci shows that most of the drivers are Intel 82801, but the ethernet > controller says "Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless > network Adapter (rev 01)" > > lshw -C gives me network 0 and > *-network:1 > description: Wireless interface > product: Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter > vendor: Atheros Communications Inc. > physical id: 2 > bus info: pci at 0000:02:02.0 > logical name: wmaster0 > version: 01 > serial: 00:11:f5:1e:f1:57 > width: 32 bits > clock: 33MHz > capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list logical ethernet physical wireless > configuration: broadcast=yes driver=ath5k_pci latency=168 maxlatency=28 > mingnt=10 module=ath5k multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11bg > *-network DISABLED > description: Ethernet interface > physical id: 2 > logical name: pan0 > serial: f6:79:e3:77:14:18 > capabilities: ethernet physical > configuration: broadcast=yes driver=bridge driverversion=2.3 > firmware=N/Alink=yes multicast=yes > > The pertenant part of ifconfig -a is > wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:f5:1e:f1:57 > UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) > > How can I get the proper driver for this machine? > > bruce > > > I run JJ 9.04 on my desktop and every time I login, after reboot or logout, I must start Firestarter (firewall interface). Sometimes that is all it takes and I am online, other times, I have to click on 'Stop Firewall', wait, then click on 'Start Firewall'. At this juncture I have no idea why, but it works for me. I also have a Dell linux notebook with 9.04-KDE 4.2.2 and it does not do that. Go figure! Good luck! Tom Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis (Juvenal), Roman Poet, late 1st, early 2nd century AD ("Who will protect us from the protectors?") From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 19:24:18 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:24:18 +0000 Subject: Reinstallation - apt-cdrom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908011924.18885.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 04:08:55 pm Goh Lip wrote: > Steven, this may help ease in reinstallation of your OS, should you need > to do it. I am putting in a new subject so that it will not confuse you > with your current boot problems. Other than backing up your home, and I > understand you have a separate partition now for it, the following will > help you reinstall your various applications like biblestudy, wine etc. > without needing to download again. > > make a folder called say, Repo in your home. > install dpkg-dev and build-essential > sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/Steven/Repo > cd /home/Steven/Repo > sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz > > burn a cd of all the items in Repo > > sudo apt-cdrom add > > > Whenever you do any installation, it will probe your cdrom and install > from there and use these files instead of downloading again unless there > are newer versions available. > > Before you copy files to Repo, it is advisable to > sudo apt-get autoremove > sudo apt-get autoclean > > to clear out outdated or older versions of the packages. > > Hope this helps; you will find reinstallation a breeze. > > Regards, > Goh Lip > > ps: as many have stated before, preferable to use aptitude instead > especially when using ppa like kde4.3 or beta like Karmic. > > sudo aptitude update > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade Can I make this kind of change with the Live CD. I just tried to save the email to a thumb drive, so if it saves OK, I can read it from there. When I tried to save work done while using the Live CD, I was refused the ability to save it to my regular partition. Is that correct? Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 20:01:28 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:01:28 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908012001.28088.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim > > We don't know who and what instructions,(so we don't know what you are > talking about) but we can assume he is well intentioned and good. But if > I were to give a wrong instruction (and it will happen) on the list > here, others would have said so and it is good not only for you but for > me as well. But never mind, as soon as you turn on the computer, as it > is fast, keep pressing 'esc' (F8, you say?) continually to make sure you > can arrest the grub menu. Come to think of it, press the 'down arrow' > continually. Just make sure you stop at the grub menu. I have tried the f8 repetitive pressing many many times. I just can't seem to stop it. I don't want to try the down arrow quite yet, because everytime I boot, I loose the emails since opening with the live CD. But when I am able, I will try the down arrow repetitive pressing too. I hope it will work, but I don't think it will, because when I open the /boot directory to find a Grub directory, grub does not exist. If grub doesn't exist, can stopping the Boot provide any useful information? > > > The screen the computer stops at says that the language is not readable > > by the computer when APCI _PSS is entered. I can't find that either. That wasn't the exact wording, just from memory. > > I really don't know what this means. Looks like a bios thingy. I did remember that i was advised to mention this to the Linux developers and to complain to the BIOS authors as well. I can't find the note I made on that right now, but I copied it all by hand. I also posted it to one of the helpers. > > > The Grub folder is no longer in the Boot folder. > > I am not sure if we can ascertain that from this alone, but Gene's > message makes good sense. > > > When I run a find, it says to look in /home/ubuntu. It is not there. > > I opened Kate and opened boot, but grub was not in the folder. > > 'find' is a more powerful search than 'locate', but grub is not in > /home/, it is in /root/. And I asked how could you use kate when you > cannot get into gui mode? I am still puzzled. Please explain so we can > understand. If you can get into kate, it should mean you are in a > graphics mode already. So what's the problem? Are you booting using an > older kernel as Jonas suggested? So grub is not empty? I can get into kate easily, alt f2, command line, or a shell from when I am in the live CD, but since the grub directory and the menu.lst file do not exist, it opens to a blank page in kate when I type in kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst. same if I just go to the /grub. There is nothing but an empty page. > > > , > > it is the grub folder. It doesn't seem to exist anymore. How can I > > generate a Grub and enter it into the Boot Directory? > > > > > > > > > > I am confident that if you type in /root/boot/grub/menu.lst, kate opens > > showing the file. It doesn't in my computer anymore. It is apparently > > the problem. Like I said Kate opens but the page is blank. > > That's what we are saying all along. You can't use kate at a command > prompt. I did, and it opened in a gui, but the page was blank. > > > And I assure you that I did not remove or edit out the Grub or menu.lst > > from the computer. They were missing after a routine GUI installation of > > Xine that failed for whatever reason. > > I don't think installing Xine or the failure to install Xine is the > cause of the problem. (Why you need to install this is another matter.) > > > I am perhaps being redundant, but I want you to understand that I most > > probably am not misunderstanding and failing to attempt the instructions > > in error. If pci=nomsi is the problem, it is the problem because the > > folder it is supposed to be in is missing. I do not have a clue how that > > happened. > > Neither do we actually, Steven. We can surmise that .... > o When you tried to add pci=nomsi in your menu.lst, you accidentally > delete it. Quite the contrary, it was never a factor in this problem. pci=nomsi had been included in the kernel over a month ago. The computer worked great. This happened precisely at the time the Xine problem happened. It was working just before the xine problem, Next time I tried to boot, grub (and its contents)2 was missing. > o When you tried a linux command... > o or ten other reasons > But it is okay, no need to tear our hair out if cannot identify the cause. > > > I have reread this and I can't see anything that required checking my > > notes. How can the Grub folder be removed by an application like Xine? > > How is grub made in the first place? How can I make it again? How can I > > create the data that would be in the menu.lst file so that I can put it > > in a grub folder once recreated? > > Can you really go into kate and say print out /etc/fstab? (careful..) If > you can, there is hope. Let us know, please. I tried to, but when I opened kate, it did not show hidden files, so I opened a konsole and typed in sudo kate /etc/fstab. It flashed an error, but came with the following: aufs / aufs rw 0 0 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 /dev/sdb1 swap swap defaults 0 I don't understand this stuff, so I hope it is useful, but I think maybe I am not getting into kate like I thought, at least not in sudo. > > > If I can't fix this problem without reinstalling, I don't want to use > > Jaunty anymore. Since I can't get my computer to run it previous > > versions, I will have to install Karamic. It can't be any worse than > > this. > > Steven, we know you long enough....relax. > > > I have loved the jaunty version, but it breaks without reason anymore. > > There sure is a reason, we just don't know what that is. > > > This stuff must have been fixed in Karmic. I am not sure that the > > updates are not causing the new problems too. I really think I > > understand the cause, and it is not my misuse of the computer. I seem to > > hear you use Karmic. Is it far enough along for me to use? Thanks for > > the help my friend. > > I have said before, I am reluctant to tell you what you should use. I > could say stick with Jaunty, don't touch kde 4.3 now any you 'could' be > thinking 'Why are you using Karmic yourself?'. If I say 'Go, get > Karmic!', I am 98.89% sure you will run into problems, and you 'could' > think I am misleading you. Heck, I get into problems all the time in > Karmic, why do you think I am keeping Hardy? It helps in debugging my > Karmic! Why do I get Karmic then? I got into problems when converted to > kde 4.3 beta in Jaunty. Thought of reinstalling when I thought I try > Karmic first before reinstalling Jaunty. Since I have Hardy, thought I > just 'played' with Karmic. (And yes, I am having fun). Do you really > want to do that? Then, go ahead. You have me laughing. I really want to do that. But I need this computer working first. I have an old box with 2300mhz P4 that I want to put karmic in. I just don't think anyone believes I haven't been playing around and gotten in trouble. That is not true in this case. No problems for a month. First problem created when failing the installation of xine, Using KpackageKit. How could I have screwed that up? > > > I have about 30 emails from my friend Hein in South Africa about entering > > the boot and adding pci=nomsi. No matter how close we have become, I > > don't think he believes me about the boot menu either. I see the word > > boot, but the screen lasts no longer than a nanosecond before continuing > > with the boot. You just can not time the pressing of f8 to enter it. > > Steven, I think you should just be happy you have a friend from South > Africa who wants to help you, just like you should be happy that there's > so many of us here who wants to help you. > Whether we can or not is immaterial. At least we all tried. I may have to reread what I have said, but I could not be more grateful to him and all of you. You are all like my brothers and sisters. You are patient and kind and thoughtful and faithful and well just plain perfect. If I am showing a little frustration, it is because I have started to learn and become very comfortable with many tasks. I know the vast amount I have to learn, but I believe I am getting the semantics a little better and am explaining my situation accurately. I guess, I think you all take what I say with a grain of salt, and I am starting to become a little chunk of salt. My descriptions are getting quite accurate and I am always telling you the truth. Shoot, Hein has called me long distance a couple of times and helped me work through problems where we could actually talk without waiting for an email response. We talked for hours. I love the guy and his entire family. Perhaps you could answer this question? When installing Xine, it stopped the installation mid process. It gave me the message that I did not have proper permissions to continue. That is where my options were taken from me. I could only close the program out. And, immediately I lost Konqueror, Dolphin and any konsole or shell. There was nothing left to consider other than restarting the computer. And that is precisely when all these problems occurred. Regards to your fantastic family, my friend. Steven > > Take care, be happy. (I need to take my beauty sleep now. Catch up with > you later.) > > Regards, > Goh Lip From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 20:02:58 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:02:58 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908012002.58502.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> I think I forgot to include this: ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ sudo kate /etc/fstab Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-ubuntu" is owned by uid 999 instead of uid 0. Error: "/tmp/kde-ubuntu" is owned by uid 999 instead of uid 0. Error: "/tmp/ksocket-ubuntu" is owned by uid 999 instead of uid 0. QThreadStorage: Thread 0x2139450 exited after QThreadStorage 2147483641 destroyed ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 20:07:14 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:07:14 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908011207w77bc7616j688abf66e1047a27@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011901.22642.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011207w77bc7616j688abf66e1047a27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908012007.14773.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 07:07:54 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > cat /etc/fstab I don't know if it makes a difference, but remember I am working from a Live CD. ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ ls -l /media/disk total 32 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-14 19:37 backup drwx------ 2 root root 16384 2009-07-14 19:37 lost+found drwx------ 20 1001 1001 4096 2009-07-21 07:44 Shabakthanai drwxr-xr-x 44 1000 1000 4096 2009-08-01 03:47 steven drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-14 19:37 svpersonal ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/fstab aufs / aufs rw 0 0 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 /dev/sdb1 swap swap defaults 0 0 ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ Steven and Thanks! From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 20:12:04 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 16:12:04 -0400 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908012007.14773.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011901.22642.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011207w77bc7616j688abf66e1047a27@mail.gmail.com> <200908012007.14773.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0908011312q265220cese3ccc8a1eb6de872@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > On Saturday 01 August 2009 07:07:54 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > > cat /etc/fstab > > I don't know if it makes a difference, but remember I am working from a > Live > CD. > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ ls -l /media/disk > total 32 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-14 19:37 backup > drwx------ 2 root root 16384 2009-07-14 19:37 lost+found > drwx------ 20 1001 1001 4096 2009-07-21 07:44 Shabakthanai > drwxr-xr-x 44 1000 1000 4096 2009-08-01 03:47 steven > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-14 19:37 svpersonal > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/fstab > aufs / aufs rw 0 0 > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 > /dev/sdb1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > OK. For a Live CD, not too bad. Try this one, please: sudo fdisk -l (or kdesudo fdisk -l) -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sat Aug 1 20:16:47 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:16:47 +0200 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011845.18624.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011252.15429.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200908011845.18624.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908012216.47959.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Saturday 01 August 2009 20:45:18 Steven Vollom, vous avez écrit : > See for yourself: > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst > bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub > bash: /boot/grub: No such file or directory > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ Sorry Steven, I've followed the whole thread and I'm not in a position to help, only to ask some questions (well, sometimes questions help, but that is your ressort) I bet you have only one system installed, because the boot process is not waiting for any input...and obviously it boots since you access some shell, so grub must be somewhere, no? What I don't understand is the commands (or lack thereof) you issue. What surprises me is what bash answered. Perhaps you could experiment somewhat with commands such as "ls", "cd", "cat", see if "startx" works. I'm not sure the (error) messages are always precise and tell you when it is a priviledge matter, so I would try "sudo" even in front of simple commands like "ls" (It may be utterly usless there, but for what little I know...) What happens with the install DVD? Can it boot the installed system, or just mount your drive? Could you find out from there what is really wrong and how to fix it? (why it went wrong is another story) And if finally you decide to reinstall for the 41th time, if you have some space to spare on your drive, I would suggest you install another system/version alongside jaunty, from which you could try to debug it, because it happens that one system boots normally when the other gets stuck in text mode. Concerning your mail (and addressbook and calender) I hope you know about the hidden .kde folder that contains (in /share/apps) the kmail, kabc and korganizer. It is a simple matter to recover all that or the zist of it. Note: it may be better to restore only the minimum from .kde because some files in there my cause problems (at least it used to be like this and the "miracle" cure was sometimes to delete or rename it altogether) I know how all this may be frustrating Perry -- BOFH excuse #433: error: one bad user found in front of screen From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 20:20:16 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:20:16 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908011312q265220cese3ccc8a1eb6de872@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908012007.14773.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011312q265220cese3ccc8a1eb6de872@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908012020.16097.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 08:12:04 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Saturday 01 August 2009 07:07:54 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > > > cat /etc/fstab > > > > I don't know if it makes a difference, but remember I am working from a > > Live > > CD. > > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ ls -l /media/disk > > total 32 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-14 19:37 backup > > drwx------ 2 root root 16384 2009-07-14 19:37 lost+found > > drwx------ 20 1001 1001 4096 2009-07-21 07:44 Shabakthanai > > drwxr-xr-x 44 1000 1000 4096 2009-08-01 03:47 steven > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-14 19:37 svpersonal > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/fstab > > aufs / aufs rw 0 0 > > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 > > /dev/sdb1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > OK. For a Live CD, not too bad. > > Try this one, please: > > > sudo fdisk -l (or kdesudo fdisk -l) ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ kdesudo fdisk -l kdesudo: Unknown option 'l'. kdesudo: Use --help to get a list of available command line options. ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ kdesudo fdisk -I kdesudo: Unknown option 'I'. kdesudo: Use --help to get a list of available command line options. ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00061a07 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 60801 488384001 83 Linux Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x000a81aa Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 1 1945 15623181 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sdb2 * 1946 4377 19535040 83 Linux /dev/sdb3 4378 65165 488279610 83 Linux /dev/sdb4 65166 121601 453322170 83 Linux Disk /dev/sdd: 1010 MB, 1010826752 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 122 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x91f72d24 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdd1 * 1 123 987104 6 FAT16 Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(121, 254, 63) logical=(122, 227, 40) ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ just want you to know how much I apprediate the help. Thanks so much. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 20:47:35 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:47:35 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908012216.47959.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011845.18624.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908012216.47959.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908012047.35895.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 08:16:47 pm Perry wrote: > Le Saturday 01 August 2009 20:45:18 Steven Vollom, vous avez écrit : > > See for yourself: > > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst > > bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub > > bash: /boot/grub: No such file or directory > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > Sorry Steven, I've followed the whole thread and I'm not in a position to > help, only to ask some questions (well, sometimes questions help, but that > is your ressort) > I bet you have only one system installed, because the boot process is not > waiting for any input...and obviously it boots since you access some shell, > so grub must be somewhere, no? I only have one OS, and currently one computer. I am communicating and providing answers because I am operating using Jaunty Live CD. > > What I don't understand is the commands (or lack thereof) you issue. > What surprises me is what bash answered. > > Perhaps you could experiment somewhat with commands such as "ls", "cd", > "cat", see if "startx" works. excepting I am using something like dpkg --configure -a or similar, I only use the command line as instructed. Nonetheless, I tried a few of what I think should work. They are as follows: ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ cd /home/svpersonal bash: cd: /home/svpersonal: No such file or directory ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ cd /svpersonal bash: cd: /svpersonal: No such file or directory ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ cd /documents bash: cd: /documents: No such file or directory ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /backup bash: /backup: No such file or directory ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ If I open Dolphin and while in the gui go to root looking for files and folders, I can find them. For instance instead of using a shell, I can go to the /root/etc and look for and find the fstab file. When I open it, I get the same information I get from the command line, but I am not experienced yet in the use of the command line. If I merge two cd's, I use avimerge, but I first open Dolphin and locate the files I want to join, then I press alt (forgive me but I am getting a bit overloaded and I can not rememter the combination of keys that opens a shell below dolphin, but that is how I merge avi's. I know how to place the correct command, but I use the gui method to get there, then use the shell to type in the command. I am close to the time to learn this stuff raw. I mean using the command line to make each step happen. I just haven't had the time so far. backup and svpersonal are two 500gb SATA HDD's. I also have a /home drive all by itself, also 500gb. I set it up that way, so when re-install is inevitable, I don't lose any data. I don't move around much in the CLI yet. Still, I use it whenever I am able. I want to learn. I suspect at least one of my attempted moves tells you that I cannot use a shell to get much done while using a Live CD, but still I am able to locate files and copy them to a thumb drive when necessary and then transfer them to the Live CD OS, so that I can send the information. > I'm not sure the (error) messages are always precise and tell you when it > is a priviledge matter, so I would try "sudo" even in front of simple > commands like "ls" (It may be utterly usless there, but for what little I > know...) > > What happens with the install DVD? Can it boot the installed system, or > just mount your drive? Could you find out from there what is really wrong > and how to fix it? (why it went wrong is another story) When I boot from the CD, it has its own operating system. It runs at the speed of the CDrom, so it is very slow, but I can do many things, and I can open a shell and do some things. > > And if finally you decide to reinstall for the 41th time, if you have some > space to spare on your drive, I would suggest you install another > system/version alongside jaunty, from which you could try to debug it, > because it happens that one system boots normally when the other gets stuck > in text mode. I have been sternly advised against that from the list. It seemed a good idea to me too, but I was advised to only keep on OS on my main computer. I have another computer that I will install Karamic, for instance, and could also include another application of Jaunty, but my main computer, I am trying to stabilize, learn from, and maximize its efficiency. I really don't want to reinstall anymore. When I have a problem, I want to fix the problem so I can grow in my knowledge. Reinstallation works fine, but I don't learn as much. > > Concerning your mail (and addressbook and calender) I hope you know about > the hidden .kde folder that contains (in /share/apps) the kmail, kabc and > korganizer. It is a simple matter to recover all that or the zist of it. > Note: it may be better to restore only the minimum from .kde because some > files in there my cause problems (at least it used to be like this and the > "miracle" cure was sometimes to delete or rename it altogether) Thanks for the help, I just copied the instructions to make a CD that will do those things when I have to reinstall. I got the informaiton while working this problem. It is a set of command line instructions that orders all the things I want to save, keeping in mind that most everything is saved already on a HDD separate from the HDD the OS is installed on, but it will also allow me to automatically move some 3rd party applications that are not on the /home partition. It is supposed to be fantastic. After I use it, if you would like a copy, I will arange to send you a copy. That is if I can save my emails from this session. I am using a Live CD, so everytime I boot up it starts from scratch and I lose the stuff that I got when using it. I very much appreciate your help and advice. It would be nice to fix this problem tonight yet. I am lost without full functionality of my computer. The live CD is a life saver, but it can't do much that I need and want to do. Steven > > I know how all this may be frustrating > > Perry > > > -- > BOFH excuse #433: error: one bad user found in front of screen From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 20:53:57 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:53:57 +0200 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908011207w77bc7616j688abf66e1047a27@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011557.28411.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011901.22642.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011207w77bc7616j688abf66e1047a27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:07 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Steven Vollom > wrote: >> >> ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ df -h >> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on >> tmpfs                 2.0G  2.7M  1.9G   1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11- >> generic/volatile >> tmpfs                 2.0G  2.7M  1.9G   1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11- >> generic/volatile >> tmpfs                 2.0G     0  2.0G   0% /lib/init/rw >> varrun                2.0G  108K  2.0G   1% /var/run >> varlock               2.0G     0  2.0G   0% /var/lock >> udev                  2.0G  164K  2.0G   1% /dev >> tmpfs                 2.0G   12K  2.0G   1% /dev/shm >> rootfs                2.0G   65M  1.9G   4% / >> /dev/sr0              695M  695M     0 100% /cdrom >> /dev/loop0            678M  678M     0 100% /rofs >> tmpfs                 2.0G   24K  2.0G   1% /tmp >> /dev/sda1             459G  4.6G  431G   2% /media/disk >> ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ >> >> Thanks for sticking with me.  I really want to solve this one without >> reinstalling. > > > Something seems wrong here.  Normally / is assigned to part of your hard > drive. > My guess is that is the output from a running live-cd. / jonas From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 20:56:00 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908012020.16097.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908012007.14773.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011312q265220cese3ccc8a1eb6de872@mail.gmail.com> <200908012020.16097.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0908011356l1c34de41h49b00289427738e@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > On Saturday 01 August 2009 08:12:04 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Steven Vollom > wrote: > > > On Saturday 01 August 2009 07:07:54 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > > > > cat /etc/fstab > > > > > > I don't know if it makes a difference, but remember I am working from a > > > Live > > > CD. > > > > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ ls -l /media/disk > > > total 32 > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-14 19:37 backup > > > drwx------ 2 root root 16384 2009-07-14 19:37 lost+found > > > drwx------ 20 1001 1001 4096 2009-07-21 07:44 Shabakthanai > > > drwxr-xr-x 44 1000 1000 4096 2009-08-01 03:47 steven > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-14 19:37 svpersonal > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/fstab > > > aufs / aufs rw 0 0 > > > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 > > > /dev/sdb1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > > > OK. For a Live CD, not too bad. > > > > Try this one, please: > > > > > > sudo fdisk -l (or kdesudo fdisk -l) > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ kdesudo fdisk -l > kdesudo: Unknown option 'l'. > kdesudo: Use --help to get a list of available command line options. > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ kdesudo fdisk -I > kdesudo: Unknown option 'I'. > kdesudo: Use --help to get a list of available command line options. > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l > > Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x00061a07 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 * 1 60801 488384001 83 Linux > > Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x000a81aa > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 1 1945 15623181 82 Linux swap / > Solaris > /dev/sdb2 * 1946 4377 19535040 83 Linux > /dev/sdb3 4378 65165 488279610 83 Linux > /dev/sdb4 65166 121601 453322170 83 Linux > > Disk /dev/sdd: 1010 MB, 1010826752 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 122 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x91f72d24 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdd1 * 1 123 987104 6 FAT16 > Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: > phys=(121, 254, 63) logical=(122, 227, 40) > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > just want you to know how much I apprediate the help. Thanks so much. > > So I guess you booted from LiveCD to try and fix your /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Here is how to do so: 1. kdesudo mkdir /media/disk/boot 2. kdesudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/disk/boot 3. kdesudo kate /media/disk/boot/grub/menu.lst -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 21:19:19 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:19:19 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908011356l1c34de41h49b00289427738e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908012020.16097.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011356l1c34de41h49b00289427738e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908012119.19901.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 08:56:00 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Saturday 01 August 2009 08:12:04 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Steven Vollom > > > > wrote: > > > > On Saturday 01 August 2009 07:07:54 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > > > > > cat /etc/fstab > > > > > > > > I don't know if it makes a difference, but remember I am working from > > > > a Live > > > > CD. > > > > > > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ ls -l /media/disk > > > > total 32 > > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-14 19:37 backup > > > > drwx------ 2 root root 16384 2009-07-14 19:37 lost+found > > > > drwx------ 20 1001 1001 4096 2009-07-21 07:44 Shabakthanai > > > > drwxr-xr-x 44 1000 1000 4096 2009-08-01 03:47 steven > > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-14 19:37 svpersonal > > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/fstab > > > > aufs / aufs rw 0 0 > > > > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 > > > > /dev/sdb1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > > > > > OK. For a Live CD, not too bad. > > > > > > Try this one, please: > > > > > > > > > sudo fdisk -l (or kdesudo fdisk -l) > > > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ kdesudo fdisk -l > > kdesudo: Unknown option 'l'. > > kdesudo: Use --help to get a list of available command line options. > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ kdesudo fdisk -I > > kdesudo: Unknown option 'I'. > > kdesudo: Use --help to get a list of available command line options. > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l > > > > Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes > > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders > > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Disk identifier: 0x00061a07 > > > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > > /dev/sda1 * 1 60801 488384001 83 Linux > > > > Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes > > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders > > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Disk identifier: 0x000a81aa > > > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > > /dev/sdb1 1 1945 15623181 82 Linux swap / > > Solaris > > /dev/sdb2 * 1946 4377 19535040 83 Linux > > /dev/sdb3 4378 65165 488279610 83 Linux > > /dev/sdb4 65166 121601 453322170 83 Linux > > > > Disk /dev/sdd: 1010 MB, 1010826752 bytes > > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 122 cylinders > > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Disk identifier: 0x91f72d24 > > > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > > /dev/sdd1 * 1 123 987104 6 FAT16 > > Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: > > phys=(121, 254, 63) logical=(122, 227, 40) > > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > > > just want you to know how much I apprediate the help. Thanks so much. > > So I guess you booted from LiveCD to try and fix your /boot/grub/menu.lst > file. > > Here is how to do so: > > 1. kdesudo mkdir /media/disk/boot > > 2. kdesudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/disk/boot > > 3. kdesudo kate /media/disk/boot/grub/menu.lst Kate opened when I finished the last instruction. What a thoughtful bit of information. Will menu.lst have information in it the next time I boot, or do I have to find and apply it to the file? I don't know how the boot information and menu.lst information gets into its proper place, so I have to assume that perhaps it is automatic during the boot process. I want very much to save this email, as for many I have received during this project, but being in Live CD, I will have to try to see if I can find enough space in a thumb drive. In any event, thanks for the help. Was Zach your son? Every time I look at your facebook entry, my heart breaks for you and those who loved him. There is nothing really a stranger can say, and yet, my heart aches for you, and my hope is that he is in heaven having a great time. Additionally, you are those you love will be in my prayers. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 21:21:08 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:21:08 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011207w77bc7616j688abf66e1047a27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908012121.08545.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 08:53:57 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:07 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Steven Vollom > > > > > > wrote: > >> ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ df -h > >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > >> tmpfs 2.0G 2.7M 1.9G 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11- > >> generic/volatile > >> tmpfs 2.0G 2.7M 1.9G 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11- > >> generic/volatile > >> tmpfs 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /lib/init/rw > >> varrun 2.0G 108K 2.0G 1% /var/run > >> varlock 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /var/lock > >> udev 2.0G 164K 2.0G 1% /dev > >> tmpfs 2.0G 12K 2.0G 1% /dev/shm > >> rootfs 2.0G 65M 1.9G 4% / > >> /dev/sr0 695M 695M 0 100% /cdrom > >> /dev/loop0 678M 678M 0 100% /rofs > >> tmpfs 2.0G 24K 2.0G 1% /tmp > >> /dev/sda1 459G 4.6G 431G 2% /media/disk > >> ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > >> > >> Thanks for sticking with me. I really want to solve this one without > >> reinstalling. > > > > Something seems wrong here. Normally / is assigned to part of your hard > > drive. > > My guess is that is the output from a running live-cd. > > / jonas I just got instruction how to create and install the grub folder and menu.lst file. I hope it is an automatic thing, getting the right information in them. I suppose I will find out next time I boot. Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 1 21:26:40 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:26:40 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011725.25209.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908012126.40811.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 05:32:54 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > > I have about 30 emails from my friend Hein in South Africa about entering > > the boot and adding pci=nomsi. No matter how close we have become, I > > don't think he believes me about the boot menu either. I see the word > > boot, but the screen lasts no longer than a nanosecond before continuing > > with the boot. You just can not time the pressing of f8 to enter it. > > F8 is for the Windows boot loader, in grub i think you press ESC to > get the grub boot menu. I use to deactivate that so I always see the > menu. > > / Jonas If I knew how, I would like to do that too. It has been an ongoing problem. Thanks! STeven From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 23:02:26 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:02:26 -0400 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908012119.19901.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908012020.16097.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011356l1c34de41h49b00289427738e@mail.gmail.com> <200908012119.19901.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0908011602l3163b686ua7b22dd4e6670ae3@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > > Here is how to do so: > > > > 1. kdesudo mkdir /media/disk/boot > > > > 2. kdesudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/disk/boot > > > > 3. kdesudo kate /media/disk/boot/grub/menu.lst > Kate opened when I finished the last instruction. What a thoughtful bit of > information. Will menu.lst have information in it the next time I boot, or > do > I have to find and apply it to the file? If you save the changes while you are in kate, they are saved to the hard drive and will be there when you next boot. I don't know how the boot information and menu.lst information gets into its > proper place, so I have to assume that perhaps it is automatic during the > boot > process. During the boot process, the bootable partition with /boot on it is loaded by Grub. It knows where that is, because it was told when Grub was installed. > I want very much to save this email, as for many I have received > during this project, but being in Live CD, I will have to try to see if I > can > find enough space in a thumb drive. In any event, thanks for the help. You can always search the archives. Google on ubuntu=users and "Locked up in boot process" > > > Was Zach your son? Every time I look at your facebook entry, my heart > breaks > for you and those who loved him. There is nothing really a stranger can > say, > and yet, my heart aches for you, and my hope is that he is in heaven having > a > great time. > > Additionally, you are those you love will be in my prayers. Thank you. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejviolet at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 00:39:00 2009 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Can't connect to unprotected wifi In-Reply-To: <200908011507.32518.rjlapham@gmail.com> Message-ID: <714746.85774.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It might be that some of the ones you are trying to connect to allow only certain MAC addresses to connect. Earl --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Jerry Lapham wrote: > From: Jerry Lapham > Subject: Can't connect to unprotected wifi > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 2:07 PM > > On Saturday 03 January 2009 > 10:41:56 pm jerry Lapham wrote: > > > I took my Acer Aspire 3002LCi laptop to a friends > house and tried to > > > connect to her  Linksys router.  Wicd > found it marked as uprotected but > > > when I tried to connect Wicd showed it waiting on > an IP until it timed > > > out. > > > > > > I have no trouble connecting to my D-Link DI-524 > wireless router at home > > > or to routers at several motels. > > I posted the above back in January.  Since that time > I've been in a couple of > motels with unprotected wifi and haven't been able to > connect to them either.  > I still have no trouble connecting to my router at home > with either WEP or WPA > encryption.  So why can't I connect to unprotected > routers elsewhere? > > It's really frustrating.  Occasionally a neighbor's > unprotected router shows > up in wicd with about a 33% signal strength and I can't > connect to it either.  > I don't know whether that's a good test with such a low > signal strength or > not.  Is there any way to see what's going on while > wicd is waiting for an IP? > > Thanks, > >     -Jerry > ============================================= > Jerry Lapham > Monroe, OH  45050 > rjlapham at gmail.com > ============================================= > Whoever defined insanity as doing the same thing over and > over and expecting > different results never used a computer. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 02:23:34 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 02:23:34 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908011602l3163b686ua7b22dd4e6670ae3@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908012119.19901.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011602l3163b686ua7b22dd4e6670ae3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908020223.35374.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009 11:02:26 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > f you save the changes while you are in kate, they are saved to the hard > drive and will be there when you next boot. Trim Dear John, I don't believe the process completed. I clicked on save in Kate and the whole process is as follows: ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ kdesudo mkdir /media/disk/boot ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ kdesudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/disk/boot ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ kdesudo kate /media/disk/boot/grub/menu.lst kate(14541) KToolInvocation::klauncher: klauncher not running... launching kdeinit kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kded4 kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4 kbuildsycoca4 running... kbuildsycoca4(14562) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry MimeType in "/usr/share/applications/kde/k3b.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). kbuildsycoca4(14562) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/openoffice.org-startcenter.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). kbuildsycoca4(14562) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry MimeType in "/usr/share/applications/openoffice.org-startcenter.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). kbuildsycoca4(14562) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/speedcrunch.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4 kbuildsycoca4 running... kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kconf_update kded(14558): Communication problem with "kded" , it probably crashed. Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not receive areply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." " kded(14559): "Error launching kconf_update. Either KLauncher is not running anymore, or it failed to start the application." kded(14559) KDEDModule::setModuleName: registerObject() successful for "kdedglobalaccel" kded(14559) KDEDModule::setModuleName: registerObject() successful for "khotkeys" kded(14559) KDEDModule::setModuleName: registerObject() returned false for "khotkeys" "KConfigIni: In file /tmp/kde-root/kconf_updateC14566.tmp, line 1: " Invalid entry (missing '=') kdeinit4: preparing to launch kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/knotify4 It looks like I was not successful; what do I do now? Thanks! Steven From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Aug 2 02:39:11 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:39:11 -0400 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908011845.18624.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011252.15429.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200908011845.18624.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908012239.11787.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 01 August 2009, Steven Vollom wrote: >Trim > >> If that is all you can see in /boot, Steven, then that install seems to be >> hosed as grub itself was never installed. I'd do it again, from a cold >> powerup with the install disk in the optical drive. Note that forward >> slash though, just 'boot' instead of '/boot' might be getting you the >> wrong directory somehow made during a broken install. > >I am not sure I understand what you are saying here. My computer has been >working fine for over a month. Minor glitches have appeared just after an >upgrade, but even then everything has been problem free, as far as I am >concerned. > >See for yourself: > >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst >bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub >bash: /boot/grub: No such file or directory >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ Neither of those are executable files or directories Steven, so in order to see what they are, you need to use a viewer of some kind. Some like 'more' and some, like me, use 'less' cuz less is actually more than more. So the first command line above should be something like: ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ less /boot/grub/menu.lst It is, or should be a text file, with 'verses' that might faintly resemble this: title Fedora (2.6.27.25-170.2.72.fc10.i686.PAE) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.25-170.2.72.fc10.i686.PAE ro root=UUID=811c07da-065e-4da7-988e-686913725b53 nomodeset memory_cor ruption_check=1 initrd /initrd-2.6.27.25-170.2.72.fc10.i686.PAE.img Note that I said faintly, not exactly cuz that came from the first 'verse' of mine. >Before the failed install of xine, my computer worked fine. I was stopped > in the middle of installation with an instruction that I did not have > proper permissions, and to install I was in sudo. Immediately after > closing KpackageKit, I was unable to open Konqueror, or Dolphin, or a > shell. I came to the boot problem when I tried to restart my computer. > >I haven't been experimenting or playing at all with any configurations or >trying to make difficult installations for over a month. To be honest, I >injured myself and wasn't able to spend the time on too many thoughtful >projects, but I was motivated to stop taking the hits for a while. I have >been using my computer for pleasure only. When I couldn't play a .wmv, I >attempted to install Xine, because it was recommended. I am concerned that >some of the recent updates have broken previous good work. > >In the month that preceded this crash, I had to reinstall about 20 times. That's unreal. Either you have some really funkity hardware, or what, I don't know. I can't see even a rank novice needing to do that that many times. However, when I suggested that someone may be available locally, who can help you learn what needs to be done, you went silent, like you didn't even get the message. Someone locally will need to learn your address & phone number. That's a given. I wouldn't post it here, but if someone is interested enough to email you privately, start with your phone number so they might get to know you, and then decide if you want to share your address for a get together. I am not local to you by several hundred miles if I have read between the lines correctly, or I would take a stab at it. I'm several hours east of you in WV, & looking at my 75th on down the calendar a couple of pages. An hours drive, yes, but not 7+. Please, do not let your paranoia about strangers keep you from taking advantage of any local help that may be offered. >I >took a lot of cheap shots through that time period where the assumption > seemed to be that I was just playing with my computer and that was the > cause of the screw ups. I am a pretty easy going fellow, but it got so > depressing to hear the same innuendos, that I stopped doing anything > interesting on my computer and just used it to send emails and view movies > and the like. So when this happened, I did not have anything to relate the > problem to from a stable system. And like before, no one seems to believe > my comments. But I am an expert at installing Jaunty perfectly and kmail > and other things that are necessary immediately after installation, so I am > sure that this is not a problem cause by me, unless I am to blame for > wanting to install xine, using kpackagekit. It is the only different thing > done to my computer in over a month of working better than perfectly. > Transfer speeds now exceed what the computer is supposed to be capable of, > But they are what they are. One gig moved in 6 seconds. Perhaps that is > the reason this happened. I use ext4 exclusively. Could the extra speed > be causing the installation problems? > >My brain feels like it is in a vice. Thanks for the help, friend. > >Steven > >> >> 6. press 'Esc' >> >> 6. press 'b' >> >> >> >> This is also explained on screen. >> >> >> >> Let the list know how it goes :-) >> >> >> >> -Frans >> >> -- >> Cheers, Gene >> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: >> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. >> >> >> The brain is a wonderful organ; it starts working the moment you get up >> in the morning, and does not stop until you get to work. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. In 1962, you could buy a pair of SHARKSKIN SLACKS, with a "Continental Belt," for $10.99!! From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 04:10:42 2009 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 00:10:42 -0400 Subject: audio format converter In-Reply-To: References: <4A74447B.9020007@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0908012110w7bdeff71se52eaf4dd1806449@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 15:34, Brian Norman > Wootton wrote: > ... > > > Even to my 'lossy' hearing, .ogg sounds better than .mp3(or.wma for that > matter). If any of my vista/XP email friends want a particular track I can > always convert before sending so they can play it. > > No need for that, ogg should be playable also by windows players, > after all, it is a free format not difficult to implement as it is > well documented. > > > Regards, Myriam. > -- > Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: > http://www.fsfe.org > Please don't send me proprietary file formats, > use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Your plan sounds good. One thing to consider is the quality of your current and possible future playback equipment. Test your files with various settings and see if you can hear a difference. on typical "ear buds" you can get by with very lossy formats but on solid midrange equipment the difference is not trivial. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 04:29:08 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 04:29:08 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908012239.11787.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908011845.18624.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908012239.11787.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200908020429.08337.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 02 August 2009 02:39:11 am Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 01 August 2009, Steven Vollom wrote: > >Trim > > > >> If that is all you can see in /boot, Steven, then that install seems to > >> be hosed as grub itself was never installed. I'd do it again, from a > >> cold powerup with the install disk in the optical drive. Note that > >> forward slash though, just 'boot' instead of '/boot' might be getting > >> you the wrong directory somehow made during a broken install. > > > >I am not sure I understand what you are saying here. My computer has been > >working fine for over a month. Minor glitches have appeared just after an > >upgrade, but even then everything has been problem free, as far as I am > >concerned. > > > >See for yourself: > > > >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst > >bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory > >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > > >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub > >bash: /boot/grub: No such file or directory > >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > > Neither of those are executable files or directories Steven, so in order > to see what they are, you need to use a viewer of some kind. Some like > 'more' and some, like me, use 'less' cuz less is actually more than more. > > So the first command line above should be something like: > ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ less /boot/grub/menu.lst ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ less /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ Trim > > > >In the month that preceded this crash, I had to reinstall about 20 times. > > That's unreal. Either you have some really funkity hardware, or what, I > don't know. I do have a hardware problem. My motherboard is an ASUS M3N-HT Mempipe. My computer is an AMD Quad 9600 with 8gb ram. Returning from the bathroom one day, I found the computer off and saw that a clock was blinking. I don't know what happened, but some kind of power problem must have occurred. When I attempted to boot the computer, it would not boot. I couldn't afford to take it to a shop, so it sat for about 2 months while I got the funds to proceed. I had made several posts with the list but the solution was not found. On a fluke, I tried a Live CD, one day, and found that the system booted. I still had a problem, but I found that I could operate on 1 stick of ram instead of the 4 that I normally ran. I found that the outer two memory slots had a defect. I removed 2 sticks of memory and it works great again, until this current problem > > I can't see even a rank novice needing to do that that many times. > However, when I suggested that someone may be available locally, who can > help you learn what needs to be done, you went silent, like you didn't even > get the message. It happened because the efforts to find the problem which ended up being a memory problem caused many conflict errors that eventually cause the need for reinstall. I don't blame anyone, it was just trying stuff that didn't work also caused new problems. I am really lost without a computer, so many times I reinstalled just to have a working box. Several times it was suggested I reinstall, several times I just needed to have a working box and reinstalled before finding the problem. I have been working this problem for a couple of days now. Soon I will probably reinstall. I don't seem to be finding a resolution. I am asked to do similar tests from different people. I do them, but I know the answer. Each time I do it, I have to boot to a live CD when it doesn't work and reconfigure kmail and lose the emails that cannot be saved to the regular drive. Today, I copied this days emails to a word document and saved them to a thumb drive, so I will have my record after I boot next time. > > Someone locally will need to learn your address & phone number. That's a > given. I wouldn't post it here, but if someone is interested enough to > email you privately, start with your phone number so they might get to know > you, and then decide if you want to share your address for a get together. I have tried in the past without success. When you made the suggestion, I spent a couple of days trying to find a Linux group near enough to my place for me to get there. They did not even answer the emails of inquiry I sent, so I suspect they are not around anymore. > > I am not local to you by several hundred miles if I have read between the > lines correctly, or I would take a stab at it. I'm several hours east of > you in WV, & looking at my 75th on down the calendar a couple of pages. An > hours drive, yes, but not 7+. > > Please, do not let your paranoia about strangers keep you from taking > advantage of any local help that may be offered. I would just love a local collaborator. I would treat them special and make them want to work together. I am very grateful for this list. It has made me very competent in certain of the daily tasks when using Linux. I am not so much in the blind. In fact my experience in certain areas leads people to believe I should also be competent in areas I have not yet learned the tasks. It is coming slowly, but for an instance. I can install, update and configure mail in 14 minutes in Jaunty. I have had to do it so many times, there is hardly a break in the process. And everything always works good after an install. I even have made shortcuts in the process in certain configuration steps. Then when I install the kubuntu restricted extras, it slows, but only because the computer can only work so fast. All intermediate steps take place without even thought about the process. When I click tab, enter, left arrow enter to accept Sun's conditions, I am typing about as fast as when sending an email. The limited experience I have using the command line is with such confidence that I type at my fastest pace and trust the lack of errors. Computing is really getting fun. But now that I have a bit of experience, and am not as limited as I was in the past, it seems like people don't really consider my statements some times. I must have answered the same people several times getting them convinced I really don't have a grub folder or menu.lst when I operate using the Live CD. Personally, how ever that became lost, I believe it is what is wrong, but I don't know how to put it back in the boot. I suspect I will after solving this problem. I hope someone recognizes the solution soon, I really need a computer working properly. Later tonight, I am going to wipe the drives of an old P4 that I have and install Karmic. i realize I will probably have problems with karamic too, but it will probably work while this one is being fixed. I just don't want to keep reinstalling to solve my problems, I loose the knowledge that may come from finishing the repair. You are 9 years older than me. I wish I had your knowledge. > > > > >> >> 6. press 'Esc' > >> >> 6. press 'b' If I don't have grub or menu.lst in my system, how can I continue to that point. I don't understand. > >> >> > >> >> This is also explained on screen. > >> >> > >> >> Let the list know how it goes :-) > >> >> > >> >> -Frans > > >> The brain is a wonderful organ; it starts working the moment you get up > >> in the morning, and does not stop until you get to work. That is a funny statement. I like it. > Thanks for the ongoing help. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 04:43:49 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 04:43:49 +0000 Subject: About locked up in Boot process. Message-ID: <200908020443.49972.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> I apologize for making an error in my efforts. I have 2 HDDS. I apparently have gone to the wrong drive over and over unable to find the grub and menu.lst because of this. I have found it now. I am so sorry. Below is a copy of my menu.lst I am posting it by itself so that those of you who may be working another reply can be updated faster. Here it is: # menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8) # grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8), # grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub # and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/. ## default num # Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and # the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used. # # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'. # WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not use 'savedefault' or your # array will desync and will not let you boot your system. default 0 ## timeout sec # Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry # (normally the first entry defined). timeout 3 ## hiddenmenu # Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu) hiddenmenu # Pretty colours #color cyan/blue white/blue ## password ['--md5'] passwd # If used in the first section of a menu file, disable all interactive editing # control (menu entry editor and command-line) and entries protected by the # command 'lock' # e.g. password topsecret # password --md5 $1$gLhU0/$aW78kHK1QfV3P2b2znUoe/ # password topsecret # # examples # # title Windows 95/98/NT/2000 # root (hd0,0) # makeactive # chainloader +1 # # title Linux # root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro # # # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs ## ## Start Default Options ## ## default kernel options ## default kernel options for automagic boot options ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted. ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro # kopt=root=UUID=cc837f4b-f5d9-419f-a099-541b486f271f ro ## default grub root device ## e.g. groot=(hd0,0) # groot=cc837f4b-f5d9-419f-a099-541b486f271f ## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options ## e.g. alternative=true ## alternative=false # alternative=true ## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options ## e.g. lockalternative=true ## lockalternative=false # lockalternative=false ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the ## alternatives ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5 # defoptions=quiet splash ## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options ## e.g. lockold=false ## lockold=true # lockold=false ## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option # xenhopt= ## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option # xenkopt=console=tty0 ## altoption boot targets option ## multiple altoptions lines are allowed ## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options ## altoptions=(recovery) single # altoptions=(recovery mode) single ## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst ## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the ## alternative kernel options ## e.g. howmany=all ## howmany=7 # howmany=all ## specify if running in Xen domU or have grub detect automatically ## update-grub will ignore non-xen kernels when running in domU and vice versa ## e.g. indomU=detect ## indomU=true ## indomU=false # indomU=detect ## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option ## e.g. memtest86=true ## memtest86=false # memtest86=true ## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system ## can be true or false # updatedefaultentry=false ## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options ## can be true or false # savedefault=false ## ## End Default Options ## title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-generic uuid cc837f4b-f5d9-419f-a099-541b486f271f kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic root=UUID=cc837f4b-f5d9-419f- a099-541b486f271f ro quiet splash pci=nomsi initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic quiet title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-generic (recovery mode) uuid cc837f4b-f5d9-419f-a099-541b486f271f kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic root=UUID=cc837f4b-f5d9-419f- a099-541b486f271f ro single pci=nomsi initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic title Ubuntu 9.04, memtest86+ uuid cc837f4b-f5d9-419f-a099-541b486f271f pci=nomsi kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin quiet ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST As you can see, pci=nomsi is in the file. I don't blame any of you who lose patience with me. I must have made the same mistake a 100 times before I found my mistake. Steven From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Aug 2 04:48:49 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:48:49 +0800 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908020223.35374.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908012119.19901.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908011602l3163b686ua7b22dd4e6670ae3@mail.gmail.com> <200908020223.35374.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > It looks like I was not successful; what do I do now? Sorry, should have known you used livecd to kate /boot/grub/menu.lst. But, if that is the case you are seeing livecd's menu.lst and it and grub should be empty. You can go to livecd and 'see' your partitions, right? But let's build on John's idea. All this will be at livecd. Open dolphin, click on the partition (at right hand side of dolphin) containing your grub, making sure it is the correct harddisk, (you have 2?) click on the root folder (inside dolphin, not the right side), then the boot folder, then again the grub folder. Press alt + . to see hidden files. just click on menu.lst, (it will open unsavable kate) and check if it is empty or there are entries there. If it contains entries, check if it correct, ie, contains pci=nomsi etc). If empty or in error, exit kate (as it is unsavable) and this time press F4 at dolphin, and at command prompt that opens, type kdesudo kate menu.lst, when kate appears, amend, and save). Reboot without livecd. Note: if entries are not empty and correct (I would think this would be case), come back to us and maybe some of us can think of something. Regards, Goh Lip From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 05:00:26 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:00:26 +0000 Subject: I found an error I made in the menu.lst re: Locked up in boot process. Message-ID: <200908020500.26353.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> I found an error I made when I edited the menu.lst. It probably is the reason I am having my problems. I was told to include the pci=nomsi on the entries starting with kernel. I did the first two correctly, but the third was entered on the wrong line. Look at the third kernel entry, the very last one. pci=nomsi is on the wrong line. Strangely the computer worked for over a month like that. I would have edited the error, but got a permissions error message when I tried. I will need advice if that is my problem. Sorry and thanks for your continued patience with my carelessness. Steven From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Aug 2 05:00:25 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:00:25 +0800 Subject: Reinstallation - apt-cdrom In-Reply-To: <200908011924.18885.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011924.18885.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > When I tried to save work done while using the Live CD, I was refused the > ability to save it to my regular partition. Is that correct? A simple way, and there are many, is to open dolphin at at the correct directory, press F4, command prompt will appear at the bottom and issue the command...... sudo cp /dev/sdax/// is where you want it to be copied to. Steven, please know that I seldom use livecd, I used, say Karmic to do this for Hardy, for example; but livecd should work, I think. Regards, Goh Lip From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Aug 2 05:29:38 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:29:38 -0400 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908020429.08337.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908012239.11787.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200908020429.08337.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908020129.41642.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 02 August 2009, Steven Vollom wrote: >On Sunday 02 August 2009 02:39:11 am Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Saturday 01 August 2009, Steven Vollom wrote: >> >Trim >> > >> >> If that is all you can see in /boot, Steven, then that install seems to >> >> be hosed as grub itself was never installed. I'd do it again, from a >> >> cold powerup with the install disk in the optical drive. Note that >> >> forward slash though, just 'boot' instead of '/boot' might be getting >> >> you the wrong directory somehow made during a broken install. >> > >> >I am not sure I understand what you are saying here. My computer has >> > been working fine for over a month. Minor glitches have appeared just >> > after an upgrade, but even then everything has been problem free, as far >> > as I am concerned. >> > >> >See for yourself: >> > >> >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst >> >bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory >> >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ >> > >> >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub >> >bash: /boot/grub: No such file or directory >> >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ >> >> Neither of those are executable files or directories Steven, so in order >> to see what they are, you need to use a viewer of some kind. Some like >> 'more' and some, like me, use 'less' cuz less is actually more than more. >> >> So the first command line above should be something like: >> ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ less /boot/grub/menu.lst > >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ less /boot/grub/menu.lst > >/boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory Since I _now_ know you are booting to a livecd, that is to be expected. >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ >ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ > >Trim > >> >In the month that preceded this crash, I had to reinstall about 20 times. >> >> That's unreal. Either you have some really funkity hardware, or what, I >> don't know. > >I do have a hardware problem. My motherboard is an ASUS M3N-HT Mempipe. Mine is an ASUS M2N SLI Deluxe, AMD 9550 Phenom and 4GB ram. >My >computer is an AMD Quad 9600 with 8gb ram. Returning from the bathroom one >day, I found the computer off and saw that a clock was blinking. I don't > know what happened, but some kind of power problem must have occurred. > When I attempted to boot the computer, it would not boot. I couldn't > afford to take it to a shop, so it sat for about 2 months while I got the > funds to proceed. Ouch. >I had made several posts with the list but the solution was not found. On a >fluke, I tried a Live CD, one day, and found that the system booted. I > still had a problem, but I found that I could operate on 1 stick of ram > instead of the 4 that I normally ran. I found that the outer two memory > slots had a defect. I removed 2 sticks of memory and it works great again, > until this current problem I recall that you could not get the dealer to warranty it, but it sure should have been. >> I can't see even a rank novice needing to do that that many times. >> However, when I suggested that someone may be available locally, who can >> help you learn what needs to be done, you went silent, like you didn't >> even get the message. > >It happened because the efforts to find the problem which ended up being a >memory problem caused many conflict errors that eventually cause the need > for reinstall. I don't blame anyone, it was just trying stuff that didn't > work also caused new problems. I am really lost without a computer, so > many times I reinstalled just to have a working box. Several times it was > suggested I reinstall, several times I just needed to have a working box > and reinstalled before finding the problem. Is the bios the latest one for that board? Some of their earlier versions for mine were a minesweeper that was finding mines with its hull... >I have been working this problem for a couple of days now. Soon I will >probably reinstall. I don't seem to be finding a resolution. I am asked to > do similar tests from different people. I do them, but I know the answer. > Each time I do it, I have to boot to a live CD when it doesn't work and > reconfigure kmail and lose the emails that cannot be saved to the regular > drive. Which also sucks. >Today, I copied this days emails to a word document and saved them to a > thumb drive, so I will have my record after I boot next time. > >> Someone locally will need to learn your address & phone number. That's a >> given. I wouldn't post it here, but if someone is interested enough to >> email you privately, start with your phone number so they might get to >> know you, and then decide if you want to share your address for a get >> together. > >I have tried in the past without success. When you made the suggestion, I >spent a couple of days trying to find a Linux group near enough to my place > for me to get there. They did not even answer the emails of inquiry I > sent, so I suspect they are not around anymore. Humm. I'm sure there are some, but the available info can be badly outdated. >> I am not local to you by several hundred miles if I have read between the >> lines correctly, or I would take a stab at it. I'm several hours east of >> you in WV, & looking at my 75th on down the calendar a couple of pages. >> An hours drive, yes, but not 7+. >> >> Please, do not let your paranoia about strangers keep you from taking >> advantage of any local help that may be offered. > >I would just love a local collaborator. I would treat them special and make >them want to work together. I am very grateful for this list. It has made > me very competent in certain of the daily tasks when using Linux. I am not > so much in the blind. In fact my experience in certain areas leads people > to believe I should also be competent in areas I have not yet learned the > tasks. It is coming slowly, but for an instance. I can install, update and > configure mail in 14 minutes in Jaunty. I have had to do it so many times, > there is hardly a break in the process. And everything always works good > after an install. I even have made shortcuts in the process in certain > configuration steps. Then when I install the kubuntu restricted extras, it > slows, but only because the computer can only work so fast. All > intermediate steps take place without even thought about the process. > When I click tab, enter, left arrow enter to accept Sun's conditions, I am > typing about as fast as when sending an email. > >The limited experience I have using the command line is with such confidence >that I type at my fastest pace and trust the lack of errors. Computing is >really getting fun. But now that I have a bit of experience, and am not as >limited as I was in the past, it seems like people don't really consider my >statements some times. I must have answered the same people several times >getting them convinced I really don't have a grub folder or menu.lst when I >operate using the Live CD. Personally, how ever that became lost, I believe > it is what is wrong, but I don't know how to put it back in the boot. I > suspect I will after solving this problem. I hope someone recognizes the > solution soon, I really need a computer working properly. Later tonight, I > am going to wipe the drives of an old P4 that I have and install Karmic. i > realize I will probably have problems with karamic too, but it will > probably work while this one is being fixed. I just don't want to keep > reinstalling to solve my problems, I loose the knowledge that may come from > finishing the repair. You also mentioned in the previous msg I replied to, that you were running ext4. I'm on the kernel list, and ext4 is still considered as beta at best, reliable ATM only for use against an ext3 formatted disk with _no_ ext4 fancy options enabled. I use it here on one disk only, the 1TB I use with amanda as a set of 30 virtual tapes. I've found that to be about as reliable as a far more expensive tape setup. I use ext3 with journalling enabled on the other 1.9TB of drives in this machine. >You are 9 years older than me. I wish I had your knowledge. Thanks, but as a linux guru, I'd probably fail the test on about the 3rd question. But I have made my living chasing electrons for the last 60 of my 74 years, doing it on an 8th grade education and a love of reading. I retired in the middle of 2002 from the tv station I had been keeping on the air since 1984, often single handedly until there just wasn't enough of me to go around. >> >> >> 6. press 'Esc' >> >> >> 6. press 'b' > >If I don't have grub or menu.lst in my system, how can I continue to that >point. I don't understand. > >> >> >> This is also explained on screen. >> >> >> >> >> >> Let the list know how it goes :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> -Frans All this was recommended before the recommenders, including me, understood that you were operating from the livecd, which makes much of that advice bogus. Sorry. But it demo's that information such as that, does make a difference. >> >> The brain is a wonderful organ; it starts working the moment you get up >> >> in the morning, and does not stop until you get to work. > >That is a funny statement. I like it. That, if mine, comes from a program called 'fortune', which I have generating a new tail for my sig every 5 minutes, rain or shine. :) >Thanks for the ongoing help. > >Steven -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Yow! Are we laid back yet? From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 05:44:56 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:44:56 +0000 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908020223.35374.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908020544.56940.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 02 August 2009 04:48:49 am Goh Lip wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > It looks like I was not successful; what do I do now? > > Sorry, should have known you used livecd to kate /boot/grub/menu.lst. > But, if that is the case you are seeing livecd's menu.lst and it and > grub should be empty. You can go to livecd and 'see' your partitions, > right? But let's build on John's idea. All this will be at livecd. > > > Open dolphin, click on the partition (at right hand side of dolphin) > containing your grub, making sure it is the correct harddisk, (you have > 2?) click on the root folder (inside dolphin, not the right side), then > the boot folder, then again the grub folder. Press alt + . to see hidden > files. just click on menu.lst, (it will open unsavable kate) and check > if it is empty or there are entries there. If it contains entries, check > if it correct, ie, contains pci=nomsi etc). I made a follow up post. I found an error. The third kernel entry in menu.lst had pci=nomsi on the wrong line. > If empty or in error, exit > kate (as it is unsavable) and this time press F4 at dolphin, and at > command prompt that opens, type kdesudo kate menu.lst, when kate > appears, amend, and save). > I tried to save the amended file, but got an error message: The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to /media/disk-3/boot/grub/menu.lst. Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available. This is the area to be amended: ## ## End Default Options ## title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-generic uuid cc837f4b-f5d9-419f-a099-541b486f271f kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic root=UUID=cc837f4b-f5d9-419f- a099-541b486f271f ro quiet splash pci=nomsi initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic quiet title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-generic (recovery mode) uuid cc837f4b-f5d9-419f-a099-541b486f271f kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic root=UUID=cc837f4b-f5d9-419f- a099-541b486f271f ro single pci=nomsi initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic title Ubuntu 9.04, memtest86+ uuid cc837f4b-f5d9-419f-a099-541b486f271f kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin pci=nomsi quiet ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST In that last entry, 'pci=nomsi' was on the line just above it (on the uuid line. I cut and pasted it on the next line, as you can see, but I could not save it because of the mentioned error. I opened Dolphin in sudo. I opened the menu.lst by right clicking and gave read and write permission to group as well. I did not click on Executable. But I could see no way to make user owner. What did I do wrong? Steven > Reboot without livecd. > > > Note: if entries are not empty and correct (I would think this would be > case), come back to us and maybe some of us can think of something. > > Regards, > Goh Lip From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 05:58:31 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:58:31 +0000 Subject: Reinstallation - apt-cdrom In-Reply-To: References: <200908011924.18885.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908020558.31500.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 02 August 2009 05:00:25 am Goh Lip wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > When I tried to save work done while using the Live CD, I was refused the > > ability to save it to my regular partition. Is that correct? > > A simple way, and there are many, is to open dolphin at at the correct > directory, press F4, command prompt will appear at the bottom and issue > the command...... > sudo cp /dev/sdax/// > > is where you want it to be copied to. > > Steven, please know that I seldom use livecd, I used, say Karmic to do > this for Hardy, for example; but livecd should work, I think. > > Regards, > Goh Lip My friend, I am so tired that I must sleep. I can't concentrate anymore. I tried to save this email to my thumb drive and it would not save. I have done that several time tonight. Fatigue is making me error and not remember well enough to continue. I am sorry. You are so kind to help and I ran out of steam. steven From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Aug 2 06:08:40 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:08:40 +0800 Subject: Locked up in boot process. In-Reply-To: <200908020544.56940.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908011216.32706.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908020223.35374.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908020544.56940.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > > I opened Dolphin in sudo. I opened the menu.lst by right clicking and gave > read and write permission to group as well. I did not click on Executable. > But I could see no way to make user owner. What did I do wrong? I wrote: > and this time press F4 at dolphin, and at > command prompt that opens, type kdesudo kate menu.lst, when kate > appears, amend, and save). before pressing F4, make sure you are at the right directory, ie, /your_correct_partition/root/boot/grub/ Regards Goh Lip From christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch Sun Aug 2 11:52:51 2009 From: christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch (Chris Jones) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:52:51 +0100 Subject: audio format converter In-Reply-To: <4A74447B.9020007@btinternet.com> References: <4A74447B.9020007@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <264C62B2-1034-4112-B6FA-403E98C210A2@cern.ch> > Even to > my 'lossy' hearing, .ogg sounds better than .mp3(or.wma for that > matter). Its not as simple as just 'ogg is better than mp3'. Both formats have a wide variety of options available to them that control the quality of the sound (and the file size) so you have to be very careful to compare like for like (Personally I think AAC, MP3's successor, is the better format anyway). Also compatibility is important. Others have said it is possible to get windows to play OGG, but it will not work out the box. Most of my non-computer savy friends would never comtemplate installing new codecs, or even know what that means, so if I was to send them an ogg file they would just send it back saying 'it doesn't work'. Chris From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 13:40:34 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:40:34 +0000 Subject: Copy from Live CD application to system HDD? Message-ID: <200908021340.34507.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Since my computer stopped functioning, I found the only way to use it was to work using my Live CD of Kubuntu Jaunty. While in the Live CD application, I am having difficulty retaining important emails that contain help for the repair of my computer and want to move the information to a location on the broken part of the computer. Each time I restart to try a suggested fix, I lose all my email records that were saved while on the Live CD session. If the suggested fix doesn't work, when I restart with the Live CD again, it is like starting over, because I don't have the current help emails to refer to. I have not moved data using a terminal without help. I am trying to move data from the /Document directory on the Live CD to a 'Document Directory' of the broken part of my computer. I believe the location of the document I want to move is: /home/ubuntu/Documents/GohLip i believe the location of where I want to copy it to is: /media/disk-1/steven/Documents I am not completely sure, because I mounted the partition as something else. This is how the computer identifies the location of where I want the document put while I am using the Live CD. The choices of mounting points that are in the broken computer are as follows: / represents the boot partition /home is the mount point for my home directory and is located on its own HDD. It is also a place to store backed-up data as a secondary protection from data loss. That way all data is stored on a separate partition from the OS and also saved on two separate HDD's. /home/svpersonal is the mount point for the partition that contains a partition which contains the OS and a partition called /svpersonal, and a partition for my backed-up data. All my working data is kept in /svpersonal. I believe that the /svpersonal/steven/Documents folder is the location described above as /media/disk-1/steven/Documents. Since the computer renamed the mount point, and because I am in the Live CD with limited function, I am not quite sure, but when I locate the above mentioned document in Dolphin and after pressing f4 to get a terminal, the terminal shows those addresses. A bit embarrassing, but I thought someone with my lack of understanding might learn from this, so I posted it rather than taking the less embarrassing way of getting my answer by contacting an expert off list. Steven From melissawm at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 14:26:12 2009 From: melissawm at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Melissa_Mendon=E7a?=) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:26:12 +0200 Subject: No wi-fi widget after update to RC3 In-Reply-To: <4A737238.70900@chown.dk> References: <200907311846.07808.gkourtev@gmail.com> <4A737238.70900@chown.dk> Message-ID: <9199ec130908020726u63bdf106mf917e6f8051e3e1@mail.gmail.com> This has been reported as a bug and should be fixed shortly. Here is the bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201391 and in launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/404309 - Melissa On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Jonas Pedersen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > After the update to RC3 on the network manager widget I have now only the > 'not > > connected socket' shown, and although I am connected to my wifi network, > when I > > point the widget it says "wlan0 not connected". The icon does not change > at > > all. > > > > Otherwise all works fine. > > > > How can get it all back to normal? > > Not sure how you get it back to normal than removing KDE 4.3rc3. > Remember that it is not the final version of KDE 4.3, so it might still > contain bugs. For your information I am experiencing the same issue on > my laptop. 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Doing that you have all your mail online and can access them from everywhere in the word all you need is a browser and Internet access. / Jonas From jongleur at liripipe.com Sun Aug 2 15:33:11 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:33:11 -0700 Subject: Copy from Live CD application to system HDD? In-Reply-To: References: <200908021340.34507.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908020833.11727.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Sunday 02 August 2009 8:16:19 am Jonas Norlander wrote: > You can register a Gmail or hotmail or some other free online mail > services. Doing that you have all your mail online and can access them > from everywhere in the word all you need is a browser and Internet > access. Or he can access this list's acrhives at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/ John Vifian -- I know all except myself. Francois Villon, Ballade des Menus Propres From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Aug 2 15:53:28 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:53:28 -0400 Subject: Copy from Live CD application to system HDD? In-Reply-To: <200908020833.11727.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908021340.34507.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908020833.11727.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <4A75B678.50002@midmaine.com> John L Vifian wrote: > On Sunday 02 August 2009 8:16:19 am Jonas Norlander wrote: >> You can register a Gmail or hotmail or some other free online mail >> services. Doing that you have all your mail online and can access them >> from everywhere in the word all you need is a browser and Internet >> access. > > Or he can access this list's acrhives at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/ > > John Vifian I would also suggest getting a usb flash drive. Then you can use that to save any files you may have downloaded to a known and easier-to-remember location. clay From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Aug 2 16:15:31 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:15:31 +0800 Subject: Copy from Live CD application to system HDD? In-Reply-To: <4A75B678.50002@midmaine.com> References: <200908021340.34507.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908020833.11727.jongleur@liripipe.com> <4A75B678.50002@midmaine.com> Message-ID: clay weber wrote: > I would also suggest getting a usb flash drive. Then you can use that to > save any files you may have downloaded to a known and easier-to-remember > location. John Vifian wrote: > Or he can access this list's acrhives at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/ Jonas Norlander wrote: > You can register a Gmail or hotmail or some other free online mail > services. Doing that you have all your mail online and can access them > from everywhere in the word all you need is a browser and Internet > access. I write: He can also easily retrieve his email upon reinstallation if he kept his old .kde kmail settings. Mmmmm...But not if he uses livecd to retrieve 'pop- delete from server' settings. Or if had set his kmail and email provider to receive imap instead of pop. Don't worry Steven, I'll resend my message on apt-cdrom add after you reinstalled. Regards, Goh Lip From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Sun Aug 2 16:17:16 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:17:16 +0100 Subject: audio format converter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A75BC0C.1000709@btinternet.com> > > Even to my 'lossy' hearing, .ogg sounds better than .mp3(or.wma for that > > matter). If any of my vista/XP email friends want a particular track I can > always convert before sending so they can play it. > > No need for that, ogg should be playable also by windows players, > after all, it is a free format not difficult to implement as it is > well documented. > Miriam I emailed a .ogg file to 5 of my acquaintances and not one of them's machines would play it. Of the two with Macs, one of them volunteered to convert it to .mp3, other just put up the glad hand. Of the 2 Vista machines and one XP, the 3 users just gave up when WMP gave them an error message. I have a vista laptop and an XP desktop - neither of them would play the .ogg file directly, I had to download and install the oggcodecs plugin first. My point being that there are an awful lot of MS customers out there who wouldn't know an ogg from an egg-cup and wouldn't thank you for trying to tell them. brian > Your plan sounds good. One thing to consider is the quality of your current > and possible future playback equipment. Test your files with various > settings and see if you can hear a difference. on typical "ear buds" you > can get by with very lossy formats but on solid midrange equipment the > difference is not trivial. My wife has a tin ear, so I got rid of my power audio equipment, alas. I do use 'earbuds'. But I take your point, I have a large pair of expensive Sony ear-phones and I can hear the difference from earbuds using these. brian From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Sun Aug 2 17:18:55 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Copy from Live CD application to system HDD? References: <200908021340.34507.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:16:19 +0200, Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Steven > Vollom wrote: >> Since my computer stopped functioning, I found the only way to use it >> was to work using my Live CD of Kubuntu Jaunty.  While in the Live CD >> application, I am having difficulty retaining important emails that >> contain help for the repair of my computer and want to move the >> information to a location on the broken part of the computer.  Each >> time I restart to try a suggested fix, I lose all my email records that >> were saved while on the Live CD session. > > You can register a Gmail or hotmail or some other free online mail > services. Doing that you have all your mail online and can access them > from everywhere in the word all you need is a browser and Internet > access. > > / Jonas His ISP already has web based email AFAIK: http://www.sbcglobal.net -> E-mail -> select domain (pull down menu; select sbcglobal.net) and login. If in Kmail you have set something like "remove messages from server after they are downloaded" those messages are gone from their server of course after you use Kmail. Good luck Steven! -Frans From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 18:55:57 2009 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:55:57 -0400 Subject: audio format converter In-Reply-To: <4A75BC0C.1000709@btinternet.com> References: <4A75BC0C.1000709@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0908021155n239c7cbeo35f1a6a29ae54ad5@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Brian Norman Wootton < Brian.Meg at btinternet.com> wrote: > > > > Even to my 'lossy' hearing, .ogg sounds better than .mp3(or.wma for that > > > > matter). If any of my vista/XP email friends want a particular track I > can > > always convert before sending so they can play it. > > > > No need for that, ogg should be playable also by windows players, > > after all, it is a free format not difficult to implement as it is > > well documented. > > > > Miriam > I emailed a .ogg file to 5 of my acquaintances and not one of them's > machines > would play it. Of the two with Macs, one of them volunteered to convert it > to .mp3, > other just put up the glad hand. Of the 2 Vista machines and one XP, the 3 > users > just gave up when WMP gave them an error message. I have a vista laptop and > an XP > desktop - neither of them would play the .ogg file directly, I had to > download > and install the oggcodecs plugin first. My point being that there are an > awful lot of > MS customers out there who wouldn't know an ogg from an egg-cup and > wouldn't > thank you for trying to tell them. > brian > > > Your plan sounds good. One thing to consider is the quality of your > current > > and possible future playback equipment. Test your files with various > > settings and see if you can hear a difference. on typical "ear buds" you > > can get by with very lossy formats but on solid midrange equipment the > > difference is not trivial. > > My wife has a tin ear, so I got rid of my power audio equipment, alas. I do > use 'earbuds'. But I take your point, I have a large pair of expensive > Sony ear-phones and I can hear the difference from earbuds using these. > brian > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > VLC player is available for windows and osx and plays most anything including ogg so if they can (or will) install a program from the net it will take of ogg and most anything else they are likely to encounter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sun Aug 2 20:40:05 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:40:05 +0200 Subject: Copy from Live CD application to system HDD? In-Reply-To: <200908021340.34507.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908021340.34507.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908022240.05578.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Sunday 02 August 2009 15:40:34 Steven Vollom, vous avez écrit : > Since my computer stopped functioning, I found the only way to use it was > to work using my Live CD of Kubuntu Jaunty. While in the Live CD > application, I am having difficulty retaining important emails that contain > help for the repair of my computer and want to move the information to a > location on the broken part of the computer. Each time I restart to try a > suggested fix, I lose all my email records that were saved while on the > Live CD session. If the suggested fix doesn't work, when I restart with > the Live CD again, it is like starting over, because I don't have the > current help emails to refer to. You can relax now, between your mail and this reply you got a few good tips concerning your mail in general and your mail in this list. It may still be worh repeating John Vifian: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/ > > I have not moved data using a terminal without help. I am trying to move > data from the /Document directory on the Live CD to a 'Document Directory' > of the broken part of my computer. I never tried to place anything in the live CD, didn't know it was even possible. Evidently nothing is written on the CD, but it is emulated on the computer memory, and valid for the session. > > I believe the location of the document I want to move is: > /home/ubuntu/Documents/GohLip This shouldn't be a matter of belief or faith, you can check and make it knowledge. > > i believe the location of where I want to copy it to is: > /media/disk-1/steven/Documents Look at the documents in there, and if they are familiar to you, copy there. > > I am not completely sure, because I mounted the partition as something > else. This is how the computer identifies the location of where I want the > document put while I am using the Live CD. Now you need faith, well I mean you have to trust it. > > The choices of mounting points that are in the broken computer are as > follows: > > / represents the boot partition > /home is the mount point for my home directory and is located on its own > HDD. It is also a place to store backed-up data as a secondary protection > from data loss. That way all data is stored on a separate partition from > the OS and also saved on two separate HDD's. Seems good enough. > > /home/svpersonal is the mount point for the partition that contains a > partition which contains the OS and a partition called /svpersonal, and a > partition for my backed-up data. All my working data is kept in > /svpersonal. Not sure it makes sense, perhaps something to do with an extended partition (which to my knowledge does not get mounted) but contains "logical partitions" (hope it's the right word). Now the OS, I belive, is mounted as / , or seen from the cd, as /media/disk. Now I'm not sure whether you created and mounted a separate partition as /home, and created a subfolder /svpersonal (probably this), or whether you created a separate partition for your working data and mounted it as /home/svpersonal (is it only possible? I never tried) The big difference is that then your mails, addressbook and calendar, which reside within /home.kde, will be erased on reinstall. But for the present point, copying something to your drive, all this is irrelevant. > > I believe that the /svpersonal/steven/Documents folder is the location > described above as /media/disk-1/steven/Documents. You'r probably right > Since the computer > renamed the mount point, and because I am in the Live CD with limited > function, I am not quite sure, but when I locate the above mentioned > document in Dolphin and after pressing f4 to get a terminal, the terminal > shows those addresses. > > A bit embarrassing, but I thought someone with my lack of understanding > might learn from this, so I posted it rather than taking the less > embarrassing way of getting my answer by contacting an expert off list. > > Steven What is confusing is that in dolphin, /media/disk-1/ shows all the system files (bin,boot,...) and even an empty home, absolutely not real, those files are not on this partition(IMHO), the only thing real thing there is your personal stuff hidden under steven. /media/disk, (or /) for the system files looks just the same, but without the /steven folder. Cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #37: heavy gravity fluctuation, move computer to floor rapidly From geraldi.evenden at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 21:03:07 2009 From: geraldi.evenden at gmail.com (Gerald I. Evenden) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:03:07 -0400 Subject: video plugins for Firefox Message-ID: <200908021703.07903.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> I'm running Firefox /3.0.12 on hardy 8.04 x86_64. A few months ago I tried to update plugins to handle some of the newer videos but had a great deal of difficulty and thought I had lost Firefox altogether. Has anything changed to facilitate FlashPlayer and other updates for the x86_64 series. Most of the Google results are dated and I hove no idea which may be sufficiently recent to be applicable. Pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you. -- The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. -- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 21:15:00 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:15:00 +0200 Subject: The plasmoid that don't want to stay away [SOLVED] Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> Hi Jonas, >> >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:05, Jonas Norlander wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> I have a strange problem, there is a plasmoid (CPU Load) that always >>> reappear after a reboot despite that I have removed it. I have tried >>> to remove it both from the "Add widgets" dialog and by clicking the >>> cross on itself but after a reboot it's there again. Looking in the >>> config files don't give me any clues. >>> >>> Some one seen this before or have any ideas? >> >> Well, I haven't seen this before, but you can have a look at the >> configuration files for plasma located in ~/.kde/share/config/, mainly >> the files plasma-appletsrc, plasma-desktop-appletsrc, >> plasma-overlay-appletsrc and plasma-desktoprc. It could well be that >> there still is a configuration remaining in there that makes the >> removed applet shows up again. > > That's what i suspected to and I have looked through all files there > that I thought was related to plasma but the content in them is kind > of cryptic to me and I don't know what settings is related to what > plasmoid. I will take a look again at them later to see if I can > figure out how the work. > I found one reference to cpuload in plasma-appletsrc: [Containments][1][Applets][48] geometry=33.0000000000001,480,332,135 immutability=1 plugin=cpuload zvalue=348 I deleting that from the file and rebooted and the plasmoid "stayed away". / Jonas From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 21:32:47 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:32:47 +0300 Subject: The plasmoid that don't want to stay away [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15edeae40908021432u39e0089ch6f711f77293e142f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/3 Jonas Norlander : > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>> Hi Jonas, >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:05, Jonas Norlander wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I have a strange problem, there is a plasmoid (CPU Load) that always >>>> reappear after a reboot despite that I have removed it. I have tried >>>> to remove it both from the "Add widgets" dialog and by clicking the >>>> cross on itself but after a reboot it's there again. Looking in the >>>> config files don't give me any clues. >>>> >>>> Some one seen this before or have any ideas? >>> >>> Well, I haven't seen this before, but you can have a look at the >>> configuration files for plasma located in ~/.kde/share/config/, mainly >>> the files plasma-appletsrc, plasma-desktop-appletsrc, >>> plasma-overlay-appletsrc and plasma-desktoprc. It could well be that >>> there still is a configuration remaining in there that makes the >>> removed applet shows up again. >> >> That's what i suspected to and I have looked through all files there >> that I thought was related to plasma but the content in them is kind >> of cryptic to me and I don't know what settings is related to what >> plasmoid. I will take a look again at them later to see if I can >> figure out how the work. >> > > I found one reference to cpuload in plasma-appletsrc: > [Containments][1][Applets][48] > geometry=33.0000000000001,480,332,135 > immutability=1 > plugin=cpuload > zvalue=348 > > I deleting that from the file and rebooted and the plasmoid "stayed away". > i believe the problem lies in that KDE might not be writing these changes to the file right away. i'm not on my computer t test this now, but in the past, i have witnessed many times, how my changes to plasmoids (adding, removing, moving, resizing) are all lost if for some reason X crashes, or computer resets ( i used to lose power a lot back then), in other words, KDE didn't properly shutdown. could it be your KDE is not properly closing everytime? some bug of some sort? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 21:45:51 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:45:51 +0200 Subject: video plugins for Firefox In-Reply-To: <200908021703.07903.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200908021703.07903.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908022345.51842.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday, 02 August 2009 23:03:07 Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > A few months ago I tried to update plugins to handle some of the newer > videos but had a great deal of difficulty and thought I had lost Firefox > altogether. I'm also in video hell. My Hardy and Jaunty machines (i.e. all of them :) ) have both gone on strike. It's like there's a Won't Play Your Flash Videos union and they both joined one night on a whim. I have not found a good solution. I have tried various add-ons to download flash videos, but they work on/off. The latest trick is trawling the /tmp directory for videos and then copying them out for playing in mplayer and company. Video sucks and it's confusing, and it sucks :D \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From eric at ericelliott.us Mon Aug 3 02:01:39 2009 From: eric at ericelliott.us (Eric Lee Elliott) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:01:39 -0500 Subject: kernel module update? Message-ID: <4A764503.2000009@ericelliott.us> What is method to get a current module included in kernel? Sierra Wireless wrote "AC875 should work on your kernel with our driver 1.7.2. The instructions are below. http://sierrawireless.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/500" My kernel has module 1.32, used before 2.6.18 in 2006. If I fix, others do not benefit. So how to get current module incorporated? From g.lip at gmx.com Mon Aug 3 03:21:49 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:21:49 +0800 Subject: video plugins for Firefox In-Reply-To: <200908022345.51842.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908021703.07903.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <200908022345.51842.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: > On Sunday, 02 August 2009 23:03:07 Gerald I. Evenden wrote: >> A few months ago I tried to update plugins to handle some of the newer >> videos but had a great deal of difficulty and thought I had lost Firefox >> altogether. > I'm also in video hell. My Hardy and Jaunty machines (i.e. all of them :) ) > have both gone on strike. It's like there's a Won't Play Your Flash Videos > union and they both joined one night on a whim. > > I have not found a good solution. I have tried various add-ons to download > flash videos, but they work on/off. The latest trick is trawling the /tmp > directory for videos and then copying them out for playing in mplayer and > company. > > Video sucks and it's confusing, and it sucks :D > > \d IMPORTANT: Applies only to 64 bits I remember some time back you (Donn) listed your about:plugins and if I recall correctly, there were 2 entries for flash plugins, one with libflashplayer.so and another with npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Please recheck by going to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins and see if there are 1 or 2 flashplugins, there should be 1 only and it should be npwrapper.libflashplayer.so. Delete (better still move away somewhere) the other libflashplayer.so and restart firefox. Hope it works. Gerald, was this also the case in yours? Older videos should also work in newer flash versions. Regards, Goh Lip From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 09:44:46 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:44:46 +0200 Subject: The plasmoid that don't want to stay away [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <15edeae40908021432u39e0089ch6f711f77293e142f@mail.gmail.com> References: <15edeae40908021432u39e0089ch6f711f77293e142f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Willy Hamra wrote: > 2009/8/3 Jonas Norlander : >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>>> Hi Jonas, >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:05, Jonas Norlander wrote: >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> I have a strange problem, there is a plasmoid (CPU Load) that always >>>>> reappear after a reboot despite that I have removed it. I have tried >>>>> to remove it both from the "Add widgets" dialog and by clicking the >>>>> cross on itself but after a reboot it's there again. Looking in the >>>>> config files don't give me any clues. >>>>> >>>>> Some one seen this before or have any ideas? >>>> >>>> Well, I haven't seen this before, but you can have a look at the >>>> configuration files for plasma located in ~/.kde/share/config/, mainly >>>> the files plasma-appletsrc, plasma-desktop-appletsrc, >>>> plasma-overlay-appletsrc and plasma-desktoprc. It could well be that >>>> there still is a configuration remaining in there that makes the >>>> removed applet shows up again. >>> >>> That's what i suspected to and I have looked through all files there >>> that I thought was related to plasma but the content in them is kind >>> of cryptic to me and I don't know what settings is related to what >>> plasmoid. I will take a look again at them later to see if I can >>> figure out how the work. >>> >> >> I found one reference to cpuload in plasma-appletsrc: >> [Containments][1][Applets][48] >> geometry=33.0000000000001,480,332,135 >> immutability=1 >> plugin=cpuload >> zvalue=348 >> >> I deleting that from the file and rebooted and the plasmoid "stayed away". >> > > i believe the problem lies in that KDE might not be writing these > changes to the file right away. i'm not on my computer t test this > now, but in the past, i have witnessed many times, how my changes to > plasmoids (adding, removing, moving, resizing) are all lost if for > some reason X crashes, or computer resets ( i used to lose power a lot > back then), in other words, KDE didn't properly shutdown. could it be > your KDE is not properly closing everytime? some bug of some sort? > I wouldn't rule that out as I have/had some crashes with plasma but sessions are restored after reboot and other plasmoids seems to save it changes between reboot. It is probably a bug in plasma/KDE. / Jonas From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 10:17:37 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:17:37 +0300 Subject: How can I use a bluetooth headset? "Audio Device" option disabled Message-ID: <880dece00908030317y3aeebddag1514d19389beff9f@mail.gmail.com> I am trying to pair a bluetooth headset with Kubuntu 9.04 however the "Audio Device" section of the wizard seems to be disabled. I right click on the Bluetooth icon -> Device Manager -> New: () Input Device [This is shown in black, and is selected] () Audio Device [This is shown in grey, and cannot be selected] I have sent files from my phone to the computer via bluetooth so I know that the bluetooth adaptor works. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 10:38:50 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:38:50 +0200 Subject: video plugins for Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <200908021703.07903.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <200908022345.51842.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908031238.50482.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday, 03 August 2009 05:21:49 Goh Lip wrote: > and it should be npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Okay, I will have a look when I get a chance. Thanks for now... :D \d From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 3 13:40:30 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:40:30 -0400 Subject: 3rd Party Applications Message-ID: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> When I installed Karmic, my 3rd party Software shows many entries like disabled on upgrade to Karmic. It is logical that they were for Jaunty, but should I remove them? Thanks!! Steven From geraldi.evenden at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 14:37:34 2009 From: geraldi.evenden at gmail.com (Gerald I. Evenden) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:37:34 -0400 Subject: video plugins for Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <200908021703.07903.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <200908022345.51842.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908031037.34758.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> On Sunday 02 August 2009 11:21:49 pm Goh Lip wrote: > Donn wrote: > > On Sunday, 02 August 2009 23:03:07 Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > >> A few months ago I tried to update plugins to handle some of the newer > >> videos but had a great deal of difficulty and thought I had lost Firefox > >> altogether. > > > > I'm also in video hell. My Hardy and Jaunty machines (i.e. all of them :) > > ) have both gone on strike. It's like there's a Won't Play Your Flash > > Videos union and they both joined one night on a whim. > > > > I have not found a good solution. I have tried various add-ons to > > download flash videos, but they work on/off. The latest trick is trawling > > the /tmp directory for videos and then copying them out for playing in > > mplayer and company. > > > > Video sucks and it's confusing, and it sucks :D > > > > \d > > IMPORTANT: Applies only to 64 bits > > I remember some time back you (Donn) listed your about:plugins and if I > recall correctly, there were 2 entries for flash plugins, one with > libflashplayer.so and another with npwrapper.libflashplayer.so > > Please recheck by going to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins and see if there are > 1 or 2 flashplugins, there should be 1 only and it should be > npwrapper.libflashplayer.so. Delete (better still move away somewhere) > the other libflashplayer.so and restart firefox. Hope it works. > > Gerald, was this also the case in yours? Older videos should also work > in newer flash versions. > > Regards, > Goh Lip At this very moment my system has: gie at charon:/usr/lib/firefox/plugins$ ls|m nphelix.so nphelix.xpt nppdf.so npwrapper.libflashplayer.so gie at charon:/usr/lib/firefox/plugins$ Occasional videos on YouTube.com just have white screens and none of the videos on onion.com play. It seems to be something more than just the npwrapper. -- The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. -- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist From ming.kbot at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 14:34:54 2009 From: ming.kbot at gmail.com (Ming Kbot) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:34:54 -0400 Subject: : Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to nount root fs Message-ID: <200908031034.54547.ming.kbot@gmail.com> Help ! I'm new to linux .. i cant boot Kubuntu. ( normally ) when i go into grub menu selecting Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-14-generic gives a error and stops. The error reads: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to nount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) when I select Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-13-generic boots normally I've run fsck and the disk checker on the Ubuntu DVD they found 1 bad block and fixed it. can i run 13 and force it to update to 14 again ? please help ! From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Mon Aug 3 15:08:31 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:08:31 +0100 Subject: video plugins for Firefox (Gerald I. Evenden) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A76FD6F.4020808@btinternet.com> I'm running Firefox /3.0.12 on hardy 8.04 x86_64. A few months ago I tried to update plugins to handle some of the newer videos but had a great deal of difficulty and thought I had lost Firefox altogether. Has anything changed to facilitate FlashPlayer and other updates for the x86_64 series. Most of the Google results are dated and I hove no idea which may be sufficiently recent to be applicable. Pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you. ------------------------------------------------- I'm running FF 3.0.12 on jaunty on a 64amd machine. I have not as yet found any video or audio stream that won't run properly for me, I can't say I've sorted this directly myself, just added in whatever plug-ins/extensions as asked for by FF. Here's the complete list of add-ons I now have. ------------------------------------------------ Plug -ins: Default plugin for unix/linux DivX Browser plug-in gxine starter plugin IcedTea Java Web Browser Plugin mplayerplugin-in 3.55 QuickTime Plugin 7.4.5 Realplayer 9 Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22 Windows Media Player Plug-in (mplayerplugin 3.55 video player plug-in for quick-time, realplayer, etc, etc streams Extensions: Google Preview 3.22 Java Console 6.0.02 Quickjava 0.4.2.1 Javascript options 1.2.6 Xmarks 3.1.0 ----------------------------------------------------------------- My memory is bad, I may have installed mplayer and java from the repos as well as the above. I can't say how many of them are actually required to do the job. The only comment I can positively make is - don't have Amarok running at all - it stops all other video/audio players in their tracks in my experience. Hope this helps brian From wsales at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 15:34:01 2009 From: wsales at gmail.com (Wagner Sales) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:34:01 -0300 Subject: : Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to nount root fs In-Reply-To: <200908031034.54547.ming.kbot@gmail.com> References: <200908031034.54547.ming.kbot@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11b83aa60908030834k7eec328eo1564a99d933b7ae0@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ming, Well, seems to be a misconfiguration on grub. Please, post your /boot/grub/menu.lst here. I think will be easy to solve. Regards, Wagner 2009/8/3 Ming Kbot : > Help ! > > I'm new to linux .. > > i cant boot Kubuntu. ( normally ) > > when i go into grub menu selecting > Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-14-generic gives a error and stops. > > The error reads: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to nount root fs on > unknown-block(0,0) > > when I select Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-13-generic boots normally > > I've run fsck and the disk checker on the Ubuntu DVD  they found 1 bad block > and fixed it. > > can i run 13 and force it to update to 14 again ? > > please help ! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From g.lip at gmx.com Mon Aug 3 15:45:00 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:45:00 +0800 Subject: video plugins for Firefox In-Reply-To: <200908031037.34758.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <200908021703.07903.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <200908022345.51842.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908031037.34758.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > At this very moment my system has: > > gie at charon:/usr/lib/firefox/plugins$ ls|m > nphelix.so > nphelix.xpt > nppdf.so > npwrapper.libflashplayer.so > gie at charon:/usr/lib/firefox/plugins$ > > Occasional videos on YouTube.com just have white screens and none of the > videos on onion.com play. > > It seems to be something more than just the npwrapper. > Looks like you have correct flashplayer installed and also helix. I don't know if helix could interfere with flash but I doubt it. I do sometimes (but not often) have white screen especially if I just come over from another tab which has flash running also. I refresh and the flash works again. Sorry Gerald, I cannot go further than this. Regards, Goh Lip From g.lip at gmx.com Mon Aug 3 15:51:43 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:51:43 +0800 Subject: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > When I installed Karmic, my 3rd party Software shows many entries like > disabled on upgrade to Karmic. It is logical that they were for Jaunty, but > should I remove them? Thanks!! > > Steven > Leave these alone, no need to uninstall; after Karmic is fully installed, reinstall these applications. They wont need to be downloaded again. Are you on alpha 3? Again use sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude safe-upgrade Any 'not-ready' packages won't appear and 'bug' you. Below is copy of earlier message on apt-cdrom > Steven, this may help ease in reinstallation of your OS, should you need > to do it. I am putting in a new subject so that it will not confuse you > with your current boot problems. Other than backing up your home, and I > understand you have a separate partition now for it, the following will > help you reinstall your various applications like biblestudy, wine etc. > without needing to download again. > > make a folder called say, Repo in your home. > install dpkg-dev and build-essential > sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/Steven/Repo > cd /home/Steven/Repo > sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz > > burn a cd of all the items in Repo > After installation, > sudo apt-cdrom add > > > Whenever you do any installation, it will probe your cdrom and install > from there and use these files instead of downloading again unless there > are newer versions available. > > Before you copy files to Repo, it is advisable to > sudo apt-get autoremove > sudo apt-get autoclean Regards, Goh Lip From geraldi.evenden at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 17:13:18 2009 From: geraldi.evenden at gmail.com (Gerald I. Evenden) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:13:18 -0400 Subject: video plugins for Firefox (Gerald I. Evenden) In-Reply-To: <4A76FD6F.4020808@btinternet.com> References: <4A76FD6F.4020808@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <200908031313.18283.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> On Monday 03 August 2009 11:08:31 am Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > I'm running Firefox /3.0.12 on hardy 8.04 x86_64. > > A few months ago I tried to update plugins to handle some of the newer > videos but had a great deal of difficulty and thought I had lost Firefox > altogether. > > Has anything changed to facilitate FlashPlayer and other updates for the > x86_64 series. Most of the Google results are dated and I hove no idea > which may be sufficiently recent to be applicable. > > Pointers would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank-you. > > ------------------------------------------------- > > I'm running FF 3.0.12 on jaunty on a 64amd machine. I have not as yet found > any video or audio stream that won't run properly for me, I can't say I've > sorted this directly myself, just added in whatever plug-ins/extensions as > asked for by FF. Here's the complete list of add-ons I now have. > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Plug -ins: > > Default plugin for unix/linux > > DivX Browser plug-in > > gxine starter plugin > > IcedTea Java Web Browser Plugin > > mplayerplugin-in 3.55 > > QuickTime Plugin 7.4.5 > > Realplayer 9 > > Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22 > > Windows Media Player Plug-in > (mplayerplugin 3.55 video player plug-in for quick-time, realplayer, etc, > etc streams > > Extensions: > > Google Preview 3.22 > > Java Console 6.0.02 > > Quickjava 0.4.2.1 > > Javascript options 1.2.6 > > Xmarks 3.1.0 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > My memory is bad, I may have installed mplayer and java from the repos > as well as the above. I can't say how many of them are actually required > to do the job. > The only comment I can positively make is - don't have Amarok running at > all - it stops all other video/audio players in their tracks in my > experience. Hope this helps > brian What makes me most curious is how you obtained your list of plugins? Did you keep a list as you installed them or are you able to get FF to regurgitate a list of what is installed. The directory /usr/lib/firefox/plugins does not give me a clue as to what is installed. And my browsing around the options on FF's toolbar does not seem to give me a clue either. As a minor side issue, I have no idea what "Linux 10" and whether I am at that level with Ubuntu 8.+. There are far too many layers of version/level numbers for my pea-pickin' mind to follow. :-( Thanks for the info and at least someone seems to be running with much the same system as mine. -- The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. -- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist From stan10x10 at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 18:31:19 2009 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:31:19 -0400 Subject: video plugins for Firefox (Gerald I. Evenden) In-Reply-To: <200908031313.18283.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> References: <4A76FD6F.4020808@btinternet.com> <200908031313.18283.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0908031131w7c8d42d4w6aa4d096ec15747d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > On Monday 03 August 2009 11:08:31 am Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > > I'm running Firefox /3.0.12 on hardy 8.04 x86_64. > > > > A few months ago I tried to update plugins to handle some of the newer > > videos but had a great deal of difficulty and thought I had lost Firefox > > altogether. > > > > Has anything changed to facilitate FlashPlayer and other updates for the > > x86_64 series. Most of the Google results are dated and I hove no idea > > which may be sufficiently recent to be applicable. > > > > Pointers would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank-you. > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > I'm running FF 3.0.12 on jaunty on a 64amd machine. I have not as yet > found > > any video or audio stream that won't run properly for me, I can't say > I've > > sorted this directly myself, just added in whatever plug-ins/extensions > as > > asked for by FF. Here's the complete list of add-ons I now have. > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > Plug -ins: > > > > Default plugin for unix/linux > > > > DivX Browser plug-in > > > > gxine starter plugin > > > > IcedTea Java Web Browser Plugin > > > > mplayerplugin-in 3.55 > > > > QuickTime Plugin 7.4.5 > > > > Realplayer 9 > > > > Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22 > > > > Windows Media Player Plug-in > > (mplayerplugin 3.55 video player plug-in for quick-time, realplayer, > etc, > > etc streams > > > > Extensions: > > > > Google Preview 3.22 > > > > Java Console 6.0.02 > > > > Quickjava 0.4.2.1 > > > > Javascript options 1.2.6 > > > > Xmarks 3.1.0 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > My memory is bad, I may have installed mplayer and java from the repos > > as well as the above. I can't say how many of them are actually required > > to do the job. > > The only comment I can positively make is - don't have Amarok running at > > all - it stops all other video/audio players in their tracks in my > > experience. Hope this helps > > brian > > What makes me most curious is how you obtained your list of plugins? Did > you > keep a list as you installed them or are you able to get FF to regurgitate > a > list of what is installed. > > The directory /usr/lib/firefox/plugins does not give me a clue as to what > is > installed. And my browsing around the options on FF's toolbar does not > seem > to give me a clue either. > > As a minor side issue, I have no idea what "Linux 10" and whether I am at > that > level with Ubuntu 8.+. There are far too many layers of version/level > numbers for my pea-pickin' mind to follow. :-( > > Thanks for the info and at least someone seems to be running with much the > same system as mine. > > In firefox go to tools then addons and you can see and manage addons. Currently I am running 9.04 and ff 3.5 and so far have no video problems. the one difficulty I had simply required I download gstreamer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Aug 3 19:05:24 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:05:24 -0700 Subject: video plugins for Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <200908021703.07903.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <200908031037.34758.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908031205.33001.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Monday 03 August 2009 8:45:00 am Goh Lip wrote: > Gerald I. Evenden wrote: > > At this very moment my system has: > > > > gie at charon:/usr/lib/firefox/plugins$ ls|m > > nphelix.so > > nphelix.xpt > > nppdf.so > > npwrapper.libflashplayer.so > > gie at charon:/usr/lib/firefox/plugins$ > > > > Occasional videos on YouTube.com just have white screens and none of the > > videos on onion.com play. > > > > It seems to be something more than just the npwrapper. > > Looks like you have correct flashplayer installed and also helix. > I don't know if helix could interfere with flash but I doubt it. > I do sometimes (but not often) have white screen especially if I just > come over from another tab which has flash running also. I refresh and > the flash works again. Ubuntu seems to install different flashplayers in different places. I don't know where it is supposed to be but if you search for libflashplayer.so on your / ...and find more than one, you have found part of the problem. Check the size of the different ones and delete or rename all those which are not that size you settled on then build a link from your good one to the place the bad one was. It should all work then. Why the Ubuntu installer does this is not known to me but it IS a problem. A normal user ought not to have to repair the system on this level. I found this out the other day when trying to play a flash game. Installed 10 but couldn't get the browsers to use it. I found four different libflashplayer.so files on my machine, each in a different directory but all in usr/lib/. The one currently in place on my 8.04 install is Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32 and it seems to function everywhere I go. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Evenden) In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0908031131w7c8d42d4w6aa4d096ec15747d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A76FD6F.4020808@btinternet.com> <200908031313.18283.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <69c7ddfb0908031131w7c8d42d4w6aa4d096ec15747d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A7737B0.3000804@gmail.com> uriah heep said the following at 08/03/2009 12:31 PM : >> > In firefox go to tools then addons and you can see and manage addons. > Currently I am running 9.04 and ff 3.5 and so far have no video problems. > the one difficulty I had simply required I download gstreamer. > > Maybe this thread is a great chance to arrive at a definitive answer to the question: I am running 64-bit jaunty. *Exactly* what packages do I need to have installed in order for video to work properly in FF? I am in more or less the same boat as Donn. What used to be a working system now only works on some sites and/or some videos. Konq seems to work great everywhere, but that's not my browser of choice. All the packages I have installed are official ones, and one would hope that if one were to have somehow *more* than one needs it wouldn't break anything, but I kind-of suspect that that hope is misplaced. The fact that Konq works perfectly seems to indicate that nothing is fundamentally wrong, it's just that somehow FF isn't finding the right software to handle videos in some circumstances. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Mon Aug 3 19:40:45 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:40:45 +0100 Subject: video plugins for Firefox (Gerald I. Evenden) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A773D3D.6060709@btinternet.com> What makes me most curious is how you obtained your list of plugins? Did you keep a list as you installed them or are you able to get FF to regurgitate a list of what is installed. In FF I just click tools>Add-ons, then run along the displayed toolbar buttons. One of the buttons is get add-ons - so with a little work you could wind up with my set of plug-ins and extensions without being prompted by FF over time like me. As a minor side issue, I have no idea what "Linux 10" and whether I am at that level with Ubuntu 8.+. There are far too many layers of version/level numbers for my pea-pickin' mind to follow. Don't have a clue about this either, at least I don't remember if I do, my memory has a heavy moth infestation. BTW I missed 2 extensions in my previous: CrossFTP 1.05 Downloadhelper 4.6 I don't know for certain how I acquired these either but think it may have been when I installed the BBC iPlayer desktop - hey ho. brian From geraldi.evenden at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 20:26:08 2009 From: geraldi.evenden at gmail.com (Gerald I. Evenden) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:26:08 -0400 Subject: video plugins for Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <200908021703.07903.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <200908031037.34758.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908031626.08322.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> As usual, whenever I start to dink with Firefox, things start to screw up. Prior to exploring FF setting, downloading podcasts was as simple as left-clicking the podcast, waiting a moment while it automatically down loaded *and* then started up Katteine to play the mp3 file. NOW: left clicking goes into hyperspace and I must rightclick and place the download into a file and *then* manually run Kaffeine or Amorak to play the file. What a nuisance. I hate this FF system! -- The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum. -- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Aug 3 20:43:52 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:43:52 -0400 Subject: video plugins for Firefox (Gerald I. Evenden) In-Reply-To: <4A7737B0.3000804@gmail.com> References: <4A76FD6F.4020808@btinternet.com> <200908031313.18283.geraldi.evenden@gmail.com> <69c7ddfb0908031131w7c8d42d4w6aa4d096ec15747d@mail.gmail.com> <4A7737B0.3000804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A774C08.5050503@midmaine.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > uriah heep said the following at 08/03/2009 12:31 PM : > >> In firefox go to tools then addons and you can see and manage addons. >> Currently I am running 9.04 and ff 3.5 and so far have no video problems. >> the one difficulty I had simply required I download gstreamer. >> >> > > Maybe this thread is a great chance to arrive at a definitive answer to the > question: > I am running 64-bit jaunty. *Exactly* what packages do I need to have > installed in order for video to work properly in FF? > > I am in more or less the same boat as Donn. What used to be a working > system now only works on some sites and/or some videos. Konq seems to work > great everywhere, but that's not my browser of choice. > > All the packages I have installed are official ones, and one would hope > that if one were to have somehow *more* than one needs it wouldn't break > anything, but I kind-of suspect that that hope is misplaced. The fact that > Konq works perfectly seems to indicate that nothing is fundamentally wrong, > it's just that somehow FF isn't finding the right software to handle videos > in some circumstances. > > Doc > > Adobe has a 64-bit flash plugin, but it has to be installed manually, ie uninstall any existing flash plugin/nspluginwrapper packages already installed on your system, and copy the 64-bit plugin file to your ~/.mozilla/plugins folder. I don't see why it wouldn't work in Hardy. http://nxadm.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/install-64-bit-adobe-flash-player-on-ubuntu-904/ clay From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Aug 3 21:12:23 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:12:23 -0700 Subject: video plugins for Firefox (Gerald I. Evenden) In-Reply-To: <4A773D3D.6060709@btinternet.com> References: <4A773D3D.6060709@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <200908031412.28101.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Monday 03 August 2009 12:40:45 pm Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > What makes me most curious is how you obtained your list of plugins? Did > you keep a list as you installed them or are you able to get FF to > regurgitate a list of what is installed. Where you would normally type a URI, just type "about:plugins" without the quotes. > As a minor side issue, I have no idea what "Linux 10" and whether I am at > that level with Ubuntu 8.+. There are far too many layers of version/level > numbers for my pea-pickin' mind to follow. I think it is a SUSE release. I don't know how it compares. As for Ubuntu 8. or 9., it denotes the year of release, while the .04 or .10 means either the April (.04) or October (.10) release in that year. Since October isn't here yet in 2009 there is no 9.10 yet except as beta releases for testing and 9.04 is the current release. Does that help? And FYI, 8.04 is the current LTS (Long Term Support) release. It was released in April of 2008 like its version number implies. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 3 21:03:46 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:03:46 -0400 Subject: OT Posting a bug with Launchpad. Message-ID: <200908031703.46613.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> I installed Karmic on my old computer. Using KpackageKit, I attempted to install the application blockcontrol. During the installation, the download was stopped and the installation failed. There were details about the problem, so I read up on the bug reports to see if the issue I experienced had happened to anyone else. It did not seem to be a repeat, so I followed the procedure to report a bug. The site timed out with the following error: Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. Trying again in a couple of minutes might work. (Error ID: OOPS-1311C2903) And: Our edge server has a lower timeout threshold than launchpad.net, so we can catch those before they hit a wider audience. As a member of the Launchpad Beta Testers team, you're more likely to experience them. If this is blocking your work, you can disable redirection. Disable redirection for 2 hours This happened a couple of hours ago; I have tried many times to post but get the same error. I attempted to write the duty person, and got a similar timed out situation on that part of the site. Is this just "Murphy of 'Murphy's Law'" rearing his ugly head again, or is there a recommended procedure to continue, or do I just continue tomorrow. I read all their follow-up complaints and did not find anything like this on that list either, so I am wondering if this problem is created by me. This email was intended to get to Dotan Cohen, but I currently don't have his address. Steven From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Mon Aug 3 21:44:43 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT Posting a bug with Launchpad. References: <200908031703.46613.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:03:46 -0400, Steven Vollom wrote: > This email was intended to get to Dotan Cohen, but I currently don't > have his address. > > Steven dotancohen at gmail.com . That email address is all over the internet :) -Frans From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 3 21:55:00 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:55:00 -0400 Subject: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908031755.00274.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Monday 03 August 2009 11:51:43 am Goh Lip wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > When I installed Karmic, my 3rd party Software shows many entries like > > disabled on upgrade to Karmic. It is logical that they were for Jaunty, > > but should I remove them? Thanks!! > > > > Steven > > Leave these alone, no need to uninstall; after Karmic is fully > installed, reinstall these applications. They wont need to be downloaded To do this, I just check the unchecked box. Is that correct? > again. Are you on alpha 3? I am not totally sure. I found a site where there was a big list of PPA's for Karmic with their keys. I installed all that I knew I would need, even in the future. It was from that installation that a window came up requesting if I wanted to upgrade to Karmic. I clicked on Yes and installed. I don't remember the level of Alpha being mentioned; I do remember that it indicated Rc, so that makes me think I am at a current level of the application. > Again use > sudo aptitude update > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade I just ran the update and safe-upgrade commands, so if they put me at alpha 3, that is where I am now. In attempting to install moblock, and using kpackagekit to make the addition, I had a new bug. When I tried to report it, the server kept timing out. I never got it reported and tried for more than 2 hours. Now that I ran these two commands, I am going to attempt the same installation and see if the bug has been fixed, so I won't have to worry about forgetting to report it. > > Any 'not-ready' packages won't appear and 'bug' you. > > > Below is copy of earlier message on apt-cdrom > > > Steven, this may help ease in reinstallation of your OS, should you need > > to do it. I am putting in a new subject so that it will not confuse you > > with your current boot problems. Other than backing up your home, and I > > understand you have a separate partition now for it, the following will > > help you reinstall your various applications like biblestudy, wine etc. > > without needing to download again. _________________________________________________________________ make a folder called say, Repo in your home. install dpkg-dev and build-essential sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/Steven/Repo cd /home/Steven/Repo sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz _____________________________________________________________________ I have isolated the part I am now talking about to make sure you refer to it when reading my reply. Goh Lip. I may not be as far along on my understanding as you are giving me credit. To get the result you suggest, am I to copy and paste: install dpkg-dev and build-essential sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/steven/Repo cd /home/steven/Repo sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz These four commands exactly as written to get the result I need, or am I expected to make adjustments based upon my knowledge of the task? For instance, I changed the capital 'S' to a small 's', because that is the way it currently appears in my system. >>burn a cd of all the items in Repo Are there any special instructions in how I set up the burn procedure, ie. something like making it executable, or anything, or do I just burn the folder Repo? > > > > After installation, When I put the CD in the other computer, do the commands you gave me instruct it to install in the proper place for the below instruction to function, or do I put the CD in the other computer's CDROM, then enter the command and then it puts the instruction in the proper place? You may have answered this question in the next paragraph, but I want to be sure, so I don't make another mistake. > > sudo apt-cdrom add > > > > > > Whenever you do any installation, it will probe your cdrom and install > > from there and use these files instead of downloading again unless there > > are newer versions available. > > > > Before you copy files to Repo, it is advisable to > > sudo apt-get autoremove > > sudo apt-get autoclean > > Regards, > Goh Lip Thanks, my friend for the wonderful reply. I am as happy as a gopher chewing his way through soft dirt. This was a very fun segment of my learning process. You have me laughing with joy. Happy Days to you and family. Steven From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Aug 3 22:26:13 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:26:13 -0400 Subject: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: <200908031755.00274.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908031755.00274.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A776405.5010408@midmaine.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > On Monday 03 August 2009 11:51:43 am Goh Lip wrote: >> Steven Vollom wrote: >>> When I installed Karmic, my 3rd party Software shows many entries like >>> disabled on upgrade to Karmic. It is logical that they were for Jaunty, >>> but should I remove them? Thanks!! >>> >>> Steven >> Leave these alone, no need to uninstall; after Karmic is fully >> installed, reinstall these applications. They wont need to be downloaded > > To do this, I just check the unchecked box. Is that correct? > >> again. Are you on alpha 3? > > I am not totally sure. I found a site where there was a big list of PPA's for > Karmic with their keys. I installed all that I knew I would need, even in the > future. It was from that installation that a window came up requesting if I > wanted to upgrade to Karmic. I clicked on Yes and installed. I don't > remember the level of Alpha being mentioned; I do remember that it indicated > Rc, so that makes me think I am at a current level of the application. Steven, you are using *ALPHA* software and thereby are using a system that *will* be very buggy, in many cases what is buggy will change on a daily basis as you update your system. And the likelihood of being unable to boot or to get to a full desktop is extremely great at this stage. Then on top of your unstable system, you are adding PPA repositories in which you have no way of knowing the quality or stability of the packages found there. I seriously don't think this is a good idea for you right now! You still have problems at times using a stable version of Kubuntu, but you are continually learning, and I think, succeeding. By using a version that is in a constant state of change, you will have to learn many things, and when something breaks or changes, you will have to learn even more. Then, when Karmic Alpha becomes a Beta, RC and Final, you will probably have to learn some things all over again. And many of the thing you learn along the way may likely become outdated or even cause more problems if used in the future. Please take these thoughts into consideration when you are reinstalling your system. clay From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 4 00:00:11 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:00:11 -0400 Subject: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: <4A776405.5010408@midmaine.com> References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908031755.00274.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A776405.5010408@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908032000.11735.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Monday 03 August 2009 06:26:13 pm clay weber wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Monday 03 August 2009 11:51:43 am Goh Lip wrote: > >> Steven Vollom wrote: > >>> When I installed Karmic, my 3rd party Software shows many entries like > >>> disabled on upgrade to Karmic. It is logical that they were for > >>> Jaunty, but should I remove them? Thanks!! > >>> > >>> Steven > >> > >> Leave these alone, no need to uninstall; after Karmic is fully > >> installed, reinstall these applications. They wont need to be downloaded > > > > To do this, I just check the unchecked box. Is that correct? > > > >> again. Are you on alpha 3? > > > > I am not totally sure. I found a site where there was a big list of > > PPA's for Karmic with their keys. I installed all that I knew I would > > need, even in the future. It was from that installation that a window > > came up requesting if I wanted to upgrade to Karmic. I clicked on Yes > > and installed. I don't remember the level of Alpha being mentioned; I do > > remember that it indicated Rc, so that makes me think I am at a current > > level of the application. > > Steven, you are using *ALPHA* software and thereby are using a system > that *will* be very buggy, in many cases what is buggy will change on a > daily basis as you update your system. And the likelihood of being > unable to boot or to get to a full desktop is extremely great at this > stage. Then on top of your unstable system, you are adding PPA > repositories in which you have no way of knowing the quality or > stability of the packages found there. > > I seriously don't think this is a good idea for you right now! You still > have problems at times using a stable version of Kubuntu, but you are > continually learning, and I think, succeeding. By using a version that > is in a constant state of change, you will have to learn many things, > and when something breaks or changes, you will have to learn even more. > Then, when Karmic Alpha becomes a Beta, RC and Final, you will probably > have to learn some things all over again. And many of the thing you > learn along the way may likely become outdated or even cause more > problems if used in the future. > > Please take these thoughts into consideration when you are reinstalling > your system. > > > clay Dear Clay, I have already made those considerations, however, when I use Karmic and find bugs, don't they want them reported. That is all I am doing. I made a computer that is not attached in any way to my main computer. And while the new computer is not functioning, I set up this computer to install Karmic. It does not contain anything but Karmic Koala. There are no files to lose or anything to corrupt. I fully expect to have problems, and lots of them, I am just reporting those problems as they happen so that those that are repetitive will be addressed, and those that are new will be considered. I have a problem with my main computer that has not been resolved. I am unwilling to solve that problem by just reinstalling the system. I always lose some work I do not want to lose in the process, and the problem that happened is such a simple problem, I can not believe no one understands it. Nonetheless, I learn absolutely nothing when I reinstall to solve a problem. I am so good at reinstalling that I can do it in the new computer in 14 minutes. That includes updating and configuring email. The only thing that takes a little time is installing the kubuntu-restricted-extras, and that cannot be rushed. I, in fact, installed Jaunty in this box before installing the Karmic upgrade. Knowing that I would have a lot of problems with the application, I still chose to do it. I enjoy working these problems; it forces me to learn more faster. If I were in the military and allowed, I would like to fire a ballistic missile, then work my way back to a pistol. I enjoy working over my head. I am convinced that a knowledgeable and competent computer operator would have the selfsame problems I am having, and also may not be able to fix the problems himself and have to file a bug report for his superiors sake. Why should I be excluded from the process. I have been having lots of fun with Karmic. I wasn't having fun with Jaunty anymore. When I have a problem with Jaunty, either these problems are too difficult to fix, or they are considered created by my experimentation. That is not the case, so I am not getting the help I need. Off list, I will write the problem with my primary computer. If you choose to read it, please accept the fact that any assumptions you might consider are probably wrong. If you accept my explanation as though I know the problem accurately and don't read any prejudgments due to my history, and you know the answer, if you accept that I am telling you the truth, you will be able to fix a problem that has been setting for a long time. In my judgment is it should be an easy fix for an expert, which I am not. I don't believe it fair that I be excluded from consideration when I work with applications you all seem to work and enjoy. If I don't die before it happens, one of these days I will work something no one has ever worked before, because of my unwillingness to be labeled unfit for the current work. Those of you who are waiting for someone to get the work started will be helping me with stuff that is not yet Alpha, and it will become a reality. I may be stupid right now, but it won't last. I will learn, and when I know what you know, you may have to move out of my way, because until my heart ticks its last beat, I will be struggling to learn what I don't know, at my chosen pace. I love you, but I am not so happy having people hold me back from where I want to be. Maybe my problem is that I am an American; we don't like to be restrained. Actually we don't like laws much at all. Every year congress makes new laws; we have so many it is complicated. GOD made 10 that covered everything. And if man hadn't tried to determine what he meant when he said the simple words, we all would be happier and free. I wouldn't put the brakes on a legally labeled idiot. Just because he isn't like me, doesn't mean he can't make progress, even more than me or you. Listen to a child sometime. He or she may make a comment that doesn't have the required experience, yet due to the simplicity of the thought may come up with the answer to what you thought was a very difficult problem, and that you over-thought. They don't have any idea what can't be done. They still draw pictures with people flying in the air, without wings or a plane. They did that before planes existed, by the way. I want and am grateful for your help; I am not willing to get it at the expense of my free choice. Thanks for the continued help. Steven From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Aug 4 00:11:29 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:11:29 -0500 Subject: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: <200908032000.11735.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908031755.00274.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A776405.5010408@midmaine.com> <200908032000.11735.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A777CB1.5020902@swbell.net> Steven Vollom wrote: > On Monday 03 August 2009 06:26:13 pm clay weber wrote: > >> >> Steven, you are using *ALPHA* software and thereby are using a system >> that *will* be very buggy, in many cases what is buggy will change on a >> daily basis as you update your system. And the likelihood of being >> unable to boot or to get to a full desktop is extremely great at this >> stage. Then on top of your unstable system, you are adding PPA >> repositories in which you have no way of knowing the quality or >> stability of the packages found there. >> >> I seriously don't think this is a good idea for you right now! You still >> have problems at times using a stable version of Kubuntu, but you are >> continually learning, and I think, succeeding. By using a version that >> is in a constant state of change, you will have to learn many things, >> and when something breaks or changes, you will have to learn even more. >> Then, when Karmic Alpha becomes a Beta, RC and Final, you will probably >> have to learn some things all over again. And many of the thing you >> learn along the way may likely become outdated or even cause more >> problems if used in the future. >> >> Please take these thoughts into consideration when you are reinstalling >> your system. >> >> >> clay >> > Dear Clay, > > I have already made those considerations, however, when I use Karmic and find > bugs, don't they want them reported. That is all I am doing. I made a > computer that is not attached in any way to my main computer. And while the > new computer is not functioning, I set up this computer to install Karmic. It > does not contain anything but Karmic Koala. There are no files to lose or > anything to corrupt. I fully expect to have problems, and lots of them, I am > just reporting those problems as they happen so that those that are repetitive > will be addressed, and those that are new will be considered. > > I have a problem with my main computer that has not been resolved. I am > unwilling to solve that problem by just reinstalling the system. I always > lose some work I do not want to lose in the process, and the problem that > happened is such a simple problem, I can not believe no one understands it. > > Nonetheless, I learn absolutely nothing when I reinstall to solve a problem. > I am so good at reinstalling that I can do it in the new computer in 14 > minutes. That includes updating and configuring email. The only thing that > takes a little time is installing the kubuntu-restricted-extras, and that > cannot be rushed. > > I, in fact, installed Jaunty in this box before installing the Karmic upgrade. > Knowing that I would have a lot of problems with the application, I still > chose to do it. I enjoy working these problems; it forces me to learn more > faster. If I were in the military and allowed, I would like to fire a > ballistic missile, then work my way back to a pistol. I enjoy working over my > head. > > I am convinced that a knowledgeable and competent computer operator would have > the selfsame problems I am having, and also may not be able to fix the problems > himself and have to file a bug report for his superiors sake. Why should I be > excluded from the process. > > I have been having lots of fun with Karmic. I wasn't having fun with Jaunty > anymore. When I have a problem with Jaunty, either these problems are too > difficult to fix, or they are considered created by my experimentation. That is > not the case, so I am not getting the help I need. > > Off list, I will write the problem with my primary computer. If you choose to > read it, please accept the fact that any assumptions you might consider are > probably wrong. If you accept my explanation as though I know the problem > accurately and don't read any prejudgments due to my history, and you know the > answer, if you accept that I am telling you the truth, you will be able to fix > a problem that has been setting for a long time. In my judgment is it should > be an easy fix for an expert, which I am not. > > I don't believe it fair that I be excluded from consideration when I work with > applications you all seem to work and enjoy. If I don't die before it > happens, one of these days I will work something no one has ever worked > before, because of my unwillingness to be labeled unfit for the current work. > Those of you who are waiting for someone to get the work started will be > helping me with stuff that is not yet Alpha, and it will become a reality. I > may be stupid right now, but it won't last. I will learn, and when I know > what you know, you may have to move out of my way, because until my heart > ticks its last beat, I will be struggling to learn what I don't know, at my > chosen pace. I love you, but I am not so happy having people hold me back > from where I want to be. Maybe my problem is that I am an American; we don't > like to be restrained. Actually we don't like laws much at all. Every year > congress makes new laws; we have so many it is complicated. > > GOD made 10 that covered everything. And if man hadn't tried to determine > what he meant when he said the simple words, we all would be happier and free. > > I wouldn't put the brakes on a legally labeled idiot. Just because he isn't > like me, doesn't mean he can't make progress, even more than me or you. > Listen to a child sometime. He or she may make a comment that doesn't have > the required experience, yet due to the simplicity of the thought may come up > with the answer to what you thought was a very difficult problem, and that you > over-thought. They don't have any idea what can't be done. They still draw > pictures with people flying in the air, without wings or a plane. They did > that before planes existed, by the way. I want and am grateful for your help; > I am not willing to get it at the expense of my free choice. Thanks for the > continued help. > > Steven > > Steven, If I might make a suggestion. If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the stable machine. _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with. That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess with the stable machine. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 4 00:48:58 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:48:58 -0400 Subject: OT Posting a bug with Launchpad. In-Reply-To: References: <200908031703.46613.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908032048.58113.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Monday 03 August 2009 05:44:43 pm Frans Ketelaars wrote: > On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:03:46 -0400, Steven Vollom wrote: > > > > > This email was intended to get to Dotan Cohen, but I currently don't > > have his address. > > > > Steven > > dotancohen at gmail.com . That email address is all over the internet :) > > -Frans Thanks Frans. Dotan is so dedicated to fixing Kubuntu related problems, I know if I can't get an important bug properly entered, he not only can but will. Steven From david at dmcentral.net Tue Aug 4 01:05:13 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:05:13 -0400 Subject: Gimp shutting off monitor Message-ID: <200908032105.14042.david@dmcentral.net> Hi All, Today I was editing a photo in the Gimp, and my monitor completely shut off. I couldn't use any keys on my keyboard to switch to a console nor could I use ctrl+alt+del to reboot the computer. All I could do was do a hard reset using the power button. I didn't realize it was the gimp at first, until after a couple times of opening gimp and the same thing would happen. Also, this did happen a while back, somewhere when KDE 4 had came out or a little after, but I thought it was my desktop effects, so I disabled them, and the problem didn't return, but only because I was done using the gimp at the time. So I really didn't realize it wasn't the desktop effects, but Gimp instead. Anyone else having this problem? -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Tue Aug 4 01:20:39 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: 3rd Party Applications References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908031755.00274.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A776405.5010408@midmaine.com> <200908032000.11735.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A777CB1.5020902@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:11:29 -0500, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Steven, If I might make a suggestion. > > If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer > first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the > stable machine. _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with. > That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess > with the stable machine. Yes, on your older Pentium 4 machine (IIRC) Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (and 8.10 and 9.04) should work without problems. About your new computer, according to: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2009-August/045496.html you _should_ be able to get to the grub menu in Jaunty; also there seem to be more recent kernels then you are using ... Good luck! -Frans From mcguiresmain at emypeople.com Tue Aug 4 02:31:59 2009 From: mcguiresmain at emypeople.com (Edwin McGuire) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:31:59 -0600 Subject: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 Message-ID: <007801ca14ab$d1344fb0$32b4e404@Dell> I've tried a couple of different times of reinstalling but no games,Ubuntu and Edubuntu have tons,and I have no Web access just Email only. Thanks Ed Pueblo,Colorado. USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I installed all that I knew I would need, even in the > future. It was from that installation that a window came up requesting if I > wanted to upgrade to Karmic. I clicked on Yes and installed. I don't > remember the level of Alpha being mentioned; I do remember that it indicated > Rc, so that makes me think I am at a current level of the application. >> Again use >> sudo aptitude update >> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade > > I just ran the update and safe-upgrade commands, so if they put me at alpha 3, > that is where I am now. > > In attempting to install moblock, and using kpackagekit to make the addition, > I had a new bug. When I tried to report it, the server kept timing out. I > never got it reported and tried for more than 2 hours. > > Now that I ran these two commands, I am going to attempt the same installation > and see if the bug has been fixed, so I won't have to worry about forgetting to > report it. >> Any 'not-ready' packages won't appear and 'bug' you. >> >> >> Below is copy of earlier message on apt-cdrom >> >>> Steven, this may help ease in reinstallation of your OS, should you need >>> to do it. I am putting in a new subject so that it will not confuse you >>> with your current boot problems. Other than backing up your home, and I >>> understand you have a separate partition now for it, the following will >>> help you reinstall your various applications like biblestudy, wine etc. >>> without needing to download again. > _________________________________________________________________ > make a folder called say, Repo in your home. > install dpkg-dev and build-essential > sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/Steven/Repo > cd /home/Steven/Repo > sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz > _____________________________________________________________________ > > I have isolated the part I am now talking about to make sure you refer to it > when reading my reply. Goh Lip. I may not be as far along on my > understanding as you are giving me credit. > > To get the result you suggest, am I to copy and paste: > > install dpkg-dev and build-essential > sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/steven/Repo > cd /home/steven/Repo > sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz > > These four commands exactly as written to get the result I need, or am I > expected to make adjustments based upon my knowledge of the task? For > instance, I changed the capital 'S' to a small 's', because that is the way it > currently appears in my system. > >>> burn a cd of all the items in Repo > > Are there any special instructions in how I set up the burn procedure, ie. > something like making it executable, or anything, or do I just burn the folder > Repo? >>> After installation, > > When I put the CD in the other computer, do the commands you gave me instruct > it to install in the proper place for the below instruction to function, or do > I put the CD in the other computer's CDROM, then enter the command and then it > puts the instruction in the proper place? You may have answered this question > in the next paragraph, but I want to be sure, so I don't make another mistake. > >>> sudo apt-cdrom add >>> >>> >>> Whenever you do any installation, it will probe your cdrom and install >>> from there and use these files instead of downloading again unless there >>> are newer versions available. >>> >>> Before you copy files to Repo, it is advisable to >>> sudo apt-get autoremove >>> sudo apt-get autoclean >> Regards, >> Goh Lip > > Thanks, my friend for the wonderful reply. I am as happy as a gopher chewing > his way through soft dirt. This was a very fun segment of my learning > process. You have me laughing with joy. Happy Days to you and family. > > Steven Steven, lets start with quoting Billie's message. > Steven, If I might make a suggestion. > > If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer > first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the > stable machine. _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with. > That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess > with the stable machine. Okay, morning, I am on a time zone which may not permit me to reply instantaneously, but I keep to funny times myself. > To do this, I just check the unchecked box. Is that correct? I personally don't use much of Synaptic, Adept, Kpackage... I do this "sudo apt-get install " But if you can find the said packages in the unchecked box, try it out. > I am not totally sure. I found a site where there was a big list of PPA's for > Karmic with their keys. I installed all that I knew I would need, even in the > future. It was from that installation that a window came up requesting if I > wanted to upgrade to Karmic. I clicked on Yes and installed. I d What I asked was... looks like you upgraded to Karmic from Jaunty. Have you got back Jaunty? How? Didn't you reinstall? Looks also your old packages are there. If you have got back Jaunty, why did you go Ballistic, i mean Karmic. I do want want to know how you got back your system. This will help in understanding what to do. > In attempting to install moblock, I do not know what is moblock, sorry here, but try "sudo apt-get install moblock" Apt-cdrom. Do not use 'Repo' made from Karmic and use on Jaunty or Hardy. But you can use 'Repo' made from Hardy and use on Jaunty or Karmic. (not many useful packages then, only things like firefox, biblestudy etc) Hope didn't miss out your other queries. (Yawn, need my cup of coffee) Regards, Goh Lip From paul at lemmons.name Tue Aug 4 05:30:44 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:30:44 -0700 Subject: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <007801ca14ab$d1344fb0$32b4e404@Dell> References: <007801ca14ab$d1344fb0$32b4e404@Dell> Message-ID: <4A77C784.3030109@lemmons.name> Edwin McGuire wrote: > I've tried a couple of different times of reinstalling but no > games,Ubuntu and Edubuntu have tons,and I have no Web access just > Email only. > Thanks > Ed > Pueblo,Colorado. USA Is there a question here? try: sudo apt-get install kdegames You might also try opening the package manager and looking for some games. There are lots of them. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes, I remembered that, but I think these are not flash flies, BBC didn't use much flash files then; even now, BBC can sometimes be s_l_o_w. To verify if flash is working and not BBC server is slow, try to go into youtube (much much faster) to check, one tab alone on flash helps too. Also, as Brian has mentioned, make sure Amarok or Kaffeine is not opened externally. Since you do have npwrapper.flashpugin.so version 10; you can check at about:plugins in FF, type "about:plugins" in firefox location, it may not do any harm, and hopefully it helps, to do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure flashplugin-nonfree". I also wonder if you need to use helix nowadays, what programs require helix? I didn't have this for a long time, and I think it's a gnome app, right? Regards, Goh Lip From g.lip at gmx.com Tue Aug 4 07:11:20 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:11:20 +0800 Subject: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908031755.00274.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Worthy of a requote. >>> Steven, If I might make a suggestion. >>> >>> If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer >>> first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the >>> stable machine. _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with. >>> That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess >>> with the stable machine. Yep, I missed these, had my cup of coffee. >>> These four commands exactly as written to get the result I need, or am I >>> expected to make adjustments based upon my knowledge of the task? For >>> instance, I changed the capital 'S' to a small 's', Yes >>>>> burn a cd of all the items in Repo >>> Are there any special instructions in how I set up the burn procedure, ie. >>> something like making it executable, or anything, or do I just burn the folder >>> Repo? Burn as data file, not iso or image. Do not include 'folder/Repo' (correct word should be 'directory', sorry, not 'folder'), just all the things in the directory 'Repo', make sure 'Package.gz' is there. AFTER you have reinstalled, at the NEW installation, (if it is at new or different computer, then, yes, at new computer), type in sudo apt-cdrom add It will ask/prompt you to name the cd-rom, name it say, 'Repo-Jaunty' as you made it from Jaunty archives. Good to marker-pen cdrom same name. Regards, Goh Lip From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Aug 4 12:49:18 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:49:18 -0500 Subject: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <4A77C784.3030109@lemmons.name> References: <007801ca14ab$d1344fb0$32b4e404@Dell> <4A77C784.3030109@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <4A782E4E.3030205@swbell.net> Paul Lemmons wrote: > Edwin McGuire wrote: >> I've tried a couple of different times of reinstalling but no >> games,Ubuntu and Edubuntu have tons,and I have no Web access just >> Email only. >> Thanks >> Ed >> Pueblo,Colorado. USA > Is there a question here? > > try: sudo apt-get install kdegames > > You might also try opening the package manager and looking for some > games. There are lots of them. Edwin would have to have internet access first. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From paul at lemmons.name Tue Aug 4 19:09:48 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:09:48 -0700 Subject: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <4A782E4E.3030205@swbell.net> References: <007801ca14ab$d1344fb0$32b4e404@Dell> <4A77C784.3030109@lemmons.name> <4A782E4E.3030205@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4A78877C.1040107@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:No games in Kubuntu 9.04 From: Billie Erin Walsh To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: 08/04/2009 05:49 AM > Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> Edwin McGuire wrote: >> >>> I've tried a couple of different times of reinstalling but no >>> games,Ubuntu and Edubuntu have tons,and I have no Web access just >>> Email only. >>> Thanks >>> Ed >>> Pueblo,Colorado. USA >>> >> Is there a question here? >> >> try: sudo apt-get install kdegames >> >> You might also try opening the package manager and looking for some >> games. There are lots of them. >> > > Edwin would have to have internet access first. > > Agreed. The comment that he had email, though, made the statement ambiguous. He has access to the Internet somewhere. -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The reason I ask, is I had a monitor that turned off when the screensaver came on. And turning the monitor off and on didn't do anything. So I learned the keystrokes for Ctrl-Alt-Del, so I could try Logout, Suspend, etc. Pretty much all of them worked for me to get the monitor back on. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 21:57:33 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:57:33 +0200 Subject: Gimp shutting off monitor In-Reply-To: <200908032105.14042.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200908032105.14042.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200908042357.33186.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday, 04 August 2009 03:05:13 David McGlone wrote: > I didn't realize it was *the gimp* at first, until after a couple times of > opening *gimp* and the same thing would happen. You should not keep strange people in leather masks (and ornate studs) in your basement; they tend to stroll in and switch your monitor off. Kidding :D \d From wsales at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 22:13:19 2009 From: wsales at gmail.com (Wagner Sales) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:13:19 -0300 Subject: Error upgrading KDE version to 4.3 Message-ID: <11b83aa60908041513u4482fcffp1d01e709bbeee03f@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I've upgraded ( tried ) my KDE version to 4.3 ( most recent ) and... Nothing works anymore! Seems to be kde packages needs qt4.5.1 version, and this packages aren't available in jaunty backports. Since my machine are production environment (I can't stop my development), I'm using 9.04 with upgrades. I think the Qt4.5.1 packages needs to be available on jaunty backports. Can anyone helps? Regards, Wagner Sales From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 4 23:29:22 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:29:22 -0400 Subject: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A777CB1.5020902@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908041929.22167.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Monday 03 August 2009 09:20:39 pm Frans Ketelaars wrote: > On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:11:29 -0500, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > Steven, If I might make a suggestion. > > > > If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer > > first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the > > stable machine. _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with. > > That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess > > with the stable machine. > > Yes, on your older Pentium 4 machine (IIRC) Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (and 8.10 and > 9.04) should work without problems. > > About your new computer, according to: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2009-August/045496.html > > you _should_ be able to get to the grub menu in Jaunty; also there seem > to be more recent kernels then you are using ... > > Good luck! > > -Frans I just got your message. I haven't followed the link yet, because the talk of other kernels interests me. I thought they came in updates or upgrades. I did not know you could install them. Would installing a different kernel potentially fix my problem? I don't know much about this. With other Kubuntu applications, I have always had a list of different kernels to chose from. As I recall there was also a safe open, and disk repair or something. When I see my boot menu, it only contains the one boot possibility. Is that the way it is with Jaunty? Thanks. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 4 23:32:06 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:32:06 -0400 Subject: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A777CB1.5020902@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908041932.06497.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim > > About your new computer, according to: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2009-August/045496.html > How does this apply to my problem? Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 02:07:49 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:07:49 -0400 Subject: ** RESOLVED ** Re: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: <4A777CB1.5020902@swbell.net> References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908032000.11735.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A777CB1.5020902@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908042207.49569.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim > > Steven, If I might make a suggestion. > > If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer > first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the > stable machine. _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with. > That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess > with the stable machine. I am concentrating on the computer I want to function as my primary computer. From mdhirsch at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 05:06:05 2009 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:06:05 -0600 Subject: Local printers not supported Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0908042206i48c103fdo213b97ca4ef2a7d9@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to help my Dad with a problem. He's using KDE 3.5.x and his USB printer stopped working. He can see the printer with "lsusb" so it would appear that USB works, but when he tries to add the printer with the KDE Add Printer Wizard, the choice "Local printer (parallel, serial, USB)" is deactivated. He can't press the radio button to enable it. The other radio buttons are all active except for "Serial Fax/Modem printer". What can deactivate that button. It happens on both his and my Mom's systems, but they are running the same software, so that doesn't narrow things down, much. My machine is running the same software, too, and it is enabled for me. I can't figure out what he could be missing to turn off local printer support. His OS is Ubuntu Jaunty with the semi-official KDE 3.5 installed. Thanks, Michael From rscrawford at mossroot.com Wed Aug 5 05:19:56 2009 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:19:56 -0700 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity Message-ID: I've been fighting with the sound system on my Kubuntu 9.04 machine for several days now. Right now, the following works: 1. startup/shutdown music 2. Anything using the Xine engine (Amarok, Kaffeine, etc.) What doesn't work is everything else. It seems to me that any application that uses ALSA is simply not getting its sound through. I've tried everything at the "Pulse Audio Perfect Setup" located at: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup but this did not solve my problem. It seems to me that the ideal solution would be to dump Pulse Audio completely, but I'm not sure that can be done safely. Anyone have any suggestions? -- Richard S. Crawford (rscrawford at mossroot.com) http://www.mossroot.com Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) From kassube at gmx.net Wed Aug 5 05:33:08 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:33:08 +0200 Subject: Error upgrading KDE version to 4.3 In-Reply-To: <11b83aa60908041513u4482fcffp1d01e709bbeee03f@mail.gmail.com> References: <11b83aa60908041513u4482fcffp1d01e709bbeee03f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908050733.09041.kassube@gmx.net> Wagner Sales wrote: > I've upgraded ( tried ) my KDE version to 4.3 ( most recent ) and... How? There is no KDE 4.3 in the Jaunty repositories. > Nothing works anymore! > Seems to be kde packages needs qt4.5.1 version, and this packages > aren't available in jaunty backports. They should be available at the location where you got KDE 4.3 from. > Since my machine are production environment (I can't stop my > development), I'm using 9.04 with upgrades. > I think the Qt4.5.1 packages needs to be available on jaunty > backports. Can anyone helps? Disable the repository from where you got KDE 4.3 and replace the KDE packages with the 4.2.2 version from the standard repositories. Nils From tanghus at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 05:42:11 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:42:11 +0200 Subject: Kinda OT: What is soprano-daemon Message-ID: <200908050742.11682.tanghus@gmail.com> Hi Just saw in my updates this morning that a package called "soprano-daemon" was to be updated. What is this little mobster baemon doing? ;-) -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen Til uvedkommende, der læser med: Der er ingen grund til at læse min mail. Jeg har intet at gøre med FARC, al-Jihad, al-Qaida, Hamas, Hizb al-Mujahidin eller ETA. Jeg har aldrig gjort Zakat, går ikke ind for Istishad, har ikke lavet en bilbombe eller kernevåben og jeg ved dårligt nok, hvad Al Manar og бомба betyder. Men tak for den udviste interesse From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 06:02:46 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:02:46 -0400 Subject: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A777CB1.5020902@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908050202.46927.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Monday 03 August 2009 09:20:39 pm Frans Ketelaars wrote: > On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:11:29 -0500, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > Steven, If I might make a suggestion. > > > > If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer > > first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the > > stable machine. _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with. > > That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess > > with the stable machine. > > Yes, on your older Pentium 4 machine (IIRC) Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (and 8.10 and > 9.04) should work without problems. > > About your new computer, according to: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2009-August/045496.html > > you _should_ be able to get to the grub menu in Jaunty; also there seem > to be more recent kernels then you are using ... > > Good luck! > > -Frans Repeating this is very unkind. It means you have no ability to consider my concerns, only your advice. This is the fourth sending of this email. You either ignore my responses or like I mentioned are just plain unkind. I am totally focused on my Jaunty box. Can you forget about karmic? Steven From mailinglist at endosquid.com Wed Aug 5 06:23:16 2009 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:23:16 -0400 Subject: Error upgrading KDE version to 4.3 In-Reply-To: <200908050733.09041.kassube@gmx.net> References: <11b83aa60908041513u4482fcffp1d01e709bbeee03f@mail.gmail.com> <200908050733.09041.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908050223.16891.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Wednesday 05 August 2009, Nils Kassube wrote: > Wagner Sales wrote: > > I've upgraded ( tried ) my KDE version to 4.3 ( most recent ) and... > > How? There is no KDE 4.3 in the Jaunty repositories. kubuntu.org tells you how. Don't forget the second "Staging" source... And anytime you f'up kde via update, a good idea is to see if "kubuntu- desktop" is installed. From cary at bielenberg.id.au Wed Aug 5 06:30:47 2009 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:30:47 +1000 Subject: Error upgrading KDE version to 4.3 In-Reply-To: <200908050223.16891.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <11b83aa60908041513u4482fcffp1d01e709bbeee03f@mail.gmail.com> <200908050733.09041.kassube@gmx.net> <200908050223.16891.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <4A792717.5090607@bielenberg.id.au> On 05/08/09 16:23, Brendan wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 August 2009, Nils Kassube wrote: > >> Wagner Sales wrote: >> >>> I've upgraded ( tried ) my KDE version to 4.3 ( most recent ) and... >>> >> How? There is no KDE 4.3 in the Jaunty repositories. >> > kubuntu.org tells you how. > Don't forget the second "Staging" source... > > And anytime you f'up kde via update, a good idea is to see if "kubuntu- > desktop" is installed. > > I just rebooted after todays upgrades & got the black screen & mouse arrow! I too installed kubuntu-desktop & now all is good! To repair:- ctl + alt F1 enter logon as self sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop reboot Sorry if I'm telling you how to suck an egg but if it doesn't help you it might help someone else. Cary From mailinglist at endosquid.com Wed Aug 5 06:43:10 2009 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:43:10 -0400 Subject: Error upgrading KDE version to 4.3 In-Reply-To: <4A792717.5090607@bielenberg.id.au> References: <11b83aa60908041513u4482fcffp1d01e709bbeee03f@mail.gmail.com> <200908050223.16891.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <4A792717.5090607@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <200908050243.11075.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Wednesday 05 August 2009, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > On 05/08/09 16:23, Brendan wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 August 2009, Nils Kassube wrote: > >> Wagner Sales wrote: > >>> I've upgraded ( tried ) my KDE version to 4.3 ( most recent ) and... > >> > >> How? There is no KDE 4.3 in the Jaunty repositories. > > > > kubuntu.org tells you how. > > Don't forget the second "Staging" source... > > > > And anytime you f'up kde via update, a good idea is to see if "kubuntu- > > desktop" is installed. > > I just rebooted after todays upgrades & got the black screen & mouse > arrow! I too installed kubuntu-desktop & now all is good! To repair:- > > ctl + alt F1 enter > logon as self > sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop > reboot > > > Sorry if I'm telling you how to suck an egg but if it doesn't help you > it might help someone else. I've never heard that expression. Interesting. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 06:44:50 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:44:50 -0400 Subject: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908050244.50321.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Tuesday 04 August 2009 03:11:20 am Goh Lip wrote: > Worthy of a requote. > > >>> Steven, If I might make a suggestion. > >>> > >>> If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer > >>> first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the > >>> stable machine. _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with. > >>> That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess > >>> with the stable machine. > > Yep, I missed these, had my cup of coffee. > > >>> These four commands exactly as written to get the result I need, or am > >>> I expected to make adjustments based upon my knowledge of the task? > >>> For instance, I changed the capital 'S' to a small 's', > > Yes > > >>>>> burn a cd of all the items in Repo > >>> > >>> Are there any special instructions in how I set up the burn procedure, > >>> ie. something like making it executable, or anything, or do I just burn > >>> the folder Repo? > > Burn as data file, not iso or image. Do not include 'folder/Repo' > (correct word should be 'directory', sorry, not 'folder'), just all the > things in the directory 'Repo', make sure 'Package.gz' is there. > > AFTER you have reinstalled, at the NEW installation, (if it is at new or > different computer, then, yes, at new computer), type in > sudo apt-cdrom add > > It will ask/prompt you to name the cd-rom, name it say, 'Repo-Jaunty' as > you made it from Jaunty archives. Good to marker-pen cdrom same name. > > Regards, > Goh Lip Thanks, will do. Steven From info at alvin.be Wed Aug 5 07:42:40 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:42:40 +0200 Subject: Permissions issue? Desktop icon to mount NFS share In-Reply-To: <200907241253.34475.kubuntu@wastedtimes.net> References: <200907241253.34475.kubuntu@wastedtimes.net> Message-ID: <200908050942.42143.info@alvin.be> On Friday 24 July 2009 13:53:34 Mark Kelly wrote: > Hi. > > I have an NFS share in my fstab set so that users can mount it > (users,hard,intr,atime,noauto,rw,dev,noexec,suid). The mount works > perfectly from a user account when I do it from a console, but I have just > made a Desktop icon (via the right-click menu > Link to Device > NFS) which > when I click it tells me that only root can mount disks. > > How can I fix this? You're looking at bug #298081: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/298081 > Also, the icon's right-click menu is missing the "unmount" option that I am > accustomed to seeing in KDE3 if I access it after mounting the share > manually. Is this just because it wasn't mounted via the icon or do I need > to do something to enable it? Or is it another nice detail from KDE3 that > I'm going to have to learn to live without? Ah, you're talking about KDE3. I can't help you with that, but I can tell you that the unmount option is there in KDE4. (doesn't work of course) From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 07:59:58 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:59:58 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > I've been fighting with the sound system on my Kubuntu 9.04 machine > for several days now. Right now, the following works: > > 1. startup/shutdown music > 2. Anything using the Xine engine (Amarok, Kaffeine, etc.) > > What doesn't work is everything else. > > It seems to me that any application that uses ALSA is simply not > getting its sound through. I've tried everything at the "Pulse Audio > Perfect Setup" located at: > > http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup > > but this did not solve my problem. > > It seems to me that the ideal solution would be to dump Pulse Audio > completely, but I'm not sure that can be done safely. > > Anyone have any suggestions? > The overall suggestion for those using KDE is to not use pulseadio and uninstall everything related to it. KDE and programs written for KDE don't use pulsadio and i have only seen problems with it. If I remember right it was a bug in a package that pulled in some pulseadio stuff that was not needed and it could mess things up. What programs do you have that needs pulsadio? / Jonas From info at alvin.be Wed Aug 5 08:04:34 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:04:34 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908051004.35593.info@alvin.be> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 09:59:58 Jonas Norlander wrote: > The overall suggestion for those using KDE is to not use pulseadio and > uninstall everything related to it. KDE and programs written for KDE > don't use pulsadio and i have only seen problems with it. If I > remember right it was a bug in a package that pulled in some pulseadio > stuff that was not needed and it could mess things up. > What programs do you have that needs pulsadio? Easy to know: $ aptitude why pulseaudio i plasma-widget-network-manager Depends kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.2.3) i A kdebase-runtime Depends libpulse0 (>= 0.9.14) i A libpulse0 Suggests pulseaudio So, it's only a 'suggestion'. If I'm not mistaken, installing suggested packages is the default policy in Ubuntu. From info at alvin.be Wed Aug 5 08:39:02 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:39:02 +0200 Subject: How to rename Akonadi resources? Message-ID: <200908051039.03423.info@alvin.be> Currently, my Akonadi resources look like this: - akonadi_notes_resource_0 - akonadi_ical_resource_2 - akonadi_ical_resource_3 - akonadi_ical_resource_4 - akonadi_vcard_resource_3 - akonadi_vcard_resource_4 So, how do I rename those resources? From myriam at kubuntu.org Wed Aug 5 08:42:23 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:42:23 +0200 Subject: Kinda OT: What is soprano-daemon In-Reply-To: <200908050742.11682.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200908050742.11682.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Thomas, On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:42, Thomas Olsen wrote: > Hi > > Just saw in my updates this morning that a package called "soprano-daemon" was > to be updated. What is this little mobster baemon doing? ;-) Soprano is the rdf-framework for the semantic desktop, aka Nepomuk. Without the sporano-framework, Nepomuk and Strigi will not work. So if you are indexing your /home to enable semantic searches (e.g. searching for specific strings or tags) you will need all three of them. BTW, of course the files do not have tags by default, but these can be added which will make the desktop search even more personalized. More information can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soprano_(KDE) KDE has a resource available for this too, of course: http://nepomuk.kde.org/ There are two major information branches on that website, one for the users: http://nepomuk.kde.org/discover/user and for the developers: http://nepomuk.kde.org/discover/developer And a very good source of information is the blog of Sebastian Trüg who is responsible for Nepomuk. Until February 2009 it is here: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/2904, then he moved his blog here: http://trueg.wordpress.com/ Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From myriam at kubuntu.org Wed Aug 5 08:54:57 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:54:57 +0200 Subject: Error upgrading KDE version to 4.3 In-Reply-To: <200908050733.09041.kassube@gmx.net> References: <11b83aa60908041513u4482fcffp1d01e709bbeee03f@mail.gmail.com> <200908050733.09041.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: Hi Nils, On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Nils Kassube wrote: > Wagner Sales wrote: >> I've upgraded ( tried ) my KDE version to 4.3 ( most recent ) and... > > How? There is no KDE 4.3 in the Jaunty repositories. Oh yes, there is, it is in the backports PPA since quite some time. See also http://kubuntu.org for more information. I use KDE 4.3 since it's first beta release in May this year through this repository, and it really is a tremendous improvement over KDE 4.2, which was to be expected :) I strongly recommend to all of the subscribers here to have an eye on the Kubuntu website (see link above), as it has very valuable information also in the wiki: http://wiki.kubuntu.org (the link is at the top right of the website). It is quite easy to get the information by subscribing to their RSS feed for the news page: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/feed. To install KDE 4.3 from the backports PPA, add the following source to your sources.list: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main and of course add the gpg key to your keyring, which is done with the following two lines (each on one single line): gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 2836CB0A8AC93F7A gpg --export --armor 2836CB0A8AC93F7A | sudo apt-key add - (don't forget the hyphen at the end of this line. As of today, the additional staging source is not necessary anymore, the website will be updated soon :) Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From myriam at kubuntu.org Wed Aug 5 08:58:54 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:58:54 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: <200908051004.35593.info@alvin.be> References: <200908051004.35593.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: Hi all, On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:04, Alvin wrote: ... > Easy to know: > > $ aptitude why pulseaudio > i   plasma-widget-network-manager Depends  kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.2.3) > i A kdebase-runtime               Depends  libpulse0 (>= 0.9.14) > i A libpulse0                     Suggests pulseaudio > > So, it's only a 'suggestion'. If I'm not mistaken, installing suggested > packages is the default policy in Ubuntu. If you read the above line correctly, the only thing needed is the libpulse0 library, but certainly not the whole pulseaudio. And yes, the hard linked library dependency for kdebase-runtime _is_ a bug and should not be there. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From myriam at kubuntu.org Wed Aug 5 09:05:44 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:05:44 +0200 Subject: How to rename Akonadi resources? In-Reply-To: <200908051039.03423.info@alvin.be> References: <200908051039.03423.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: Hi Alvin, On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:39, Alvin wrote: > Currently, my Akonadi resources look like this: > - akonadi_notes_resource_0 > - akonadi_ical_resource_2 > - akonadi_ical_resource_3 > - akonadi_ical_resource_4 > - akonadi_vcard_resource_3 > - akonadi_vcard_resource_4 > > So, how do I rename those resources? Well, you don't. Anyway, these resources names are the internal mysql names, so changing these would break Akonadi completely. Also, if you activate your vcard resources in "Contacts" you will see another name anyway. For me here it looks like this: "Default Address Book" and the ical resource shows in the "Calendar" application like this: "Birthdays" "Default Calendar" So I strongly advise everybody to _not_ touch the resource names in Akonadi, it will break your database! Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From kassube at gmx.net Wed Aug 5 09:22:05 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:22:05 +0200 Subject: Error upgrading KDE version to 4.3 In-Reply-To: References: <11b83aa60908041513u4482fcffp1d01e709bbeee03f@mail.gmail.com> <200908050733.09041.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908051122.06123.kassube@gmx.net> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Nils Kassube wrote: > > Wagner Sales wrote: > >> I've upgraded ( tried ) my KDE version to 4.3 ( most recent ) > >> and... > > > > How? There is no KDE 4.3 in the Jaunty repositories. > > Oh yes, there is, it is in the backports PPA since quite some time. > See also http://kubuntu.org for more information. Granted, I do know about the PPA but I wouldn't count that as one of the "normal" Jaunty repositories. At least for a production machine I would hesitate to install software from PPAs unless I have tested it before on another machine. Nils From info at alvin.be Wed Aug 5 10:04:59 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:04:59 +0200 Subject: How to rename Akonadi resources? In-Reply-To: References: <200908051039.03423.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200908051205.00550.info@alvin.be> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 11:05:44 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Alvin, > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:39, Alvin wrote: > > Currently, my Akonadi resources look like this: > > - akonadi_notes_resource_0 > > - akonadi_ical_resource_2 > > - akonadi_ical_resource_3 > > - akonadi_ical_resource_4 > > - akonadi_vcard_resource_3 > > - akonadi_vcard_resource_4 > > > > So, how do I rename those resources? > > Well, you don't. Anyway, these resources names are the internal mysql > names, so changing these would break Akonadi completely. Also, if you > activate your vcard resources in "Contacts" you will see another name > anyway. For me here it looks like this: > > "Default Address Book" > > and the ical resource shows in the "Calendar" application like this: > > "Birthdays" > "Default Calendar" > > So I strongly advise everybody to _not_ touch the resource names in > Akonadi, it will break your database! Ah, but I'm no longer using the traditional KDE Resources, so I don't see those names. In Korganizer and KAddressBook, this looks like: Akonadi Compatibility Resource Birthdays & Anniversaries (I can live with this one) akonadi_ical_resource_2 akonadi_ical_resource_3 akonadi_ical_resource_4 akonadi_ical_resource_5 akonadi_ical_resource_6 When using the traditional KDE Resources, you can still choose the names. Everything else falls under the 'Akonadi Compatibility Resource' I'm no longer using the traditional KDE Resources, because my .ics file is hosted on an SFTP server. I ended up with an empty calendar file on a regular basis while using the traditional resources and it looks like Akonadi handles remote resources a lot better. (Besides, Google Calendar should now be useable.) I will take your advice and will not touch the resource names. I can't do that anyway. Still, I would like to be able to change the name in a safe manner. From tanghus at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 10:52:25 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:52:25 +0200 Subject: Kinda OT: What is soprano-daemon In-Reply-To: References: <200908050742.11682.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908051252.26044.tanghus@gmail.com> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:42:23 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:42, Thomas Olsen wrote: > > Hi > > > > Just saw in my updates this morning that a package called > > "soprano-daemon" was to be updated. What is this little mobster baemon > > doing? ;-) > > Soprano is the rdf-framework for the semantic desktop, aka Nepomuk. > Without the sporano-framework, Nepomuk and Strigi will not work. So if > you are indexing your /home to enable semantic searches (e.g. > searching for specific strings or tags) you will need all three of > them. > BTW, of course the files do not have tags by default, but these can be > added which will make the desktop search even more personalized. > > More information can be found here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soprano_(KDE) > > KDE has a resource available for this too, of course: > http://nepomuk.kde.org/ > > There are two major information branches on that website, one for the > users: http://nepomuk.kde.org/discover/user > and for the developers: http://nepomuk.kde.org/discover/developer > > And a very good source of information is the blog of Sebastian Trüg > who is responsible for Nepomuk. Until February 2009 it is here: > http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/2904, then he moved his blog here: > http://trueg.wordpress.com/ > > > Regards, Myriam. Hi Myriam Thanks for the very extensive reply. I haven't really been looking much at the semantic desktop in KDE4 so these links will be very useful for me. Thanks. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen Til uvedkommende, der læser med: Der er ingen grund til at læse min mail. Jeg har intet at gøre med FARC, al-Jihad, al-Qaida, Hamas, Hizb al-Mujahidin eller ETA. Jeg har aldrig gjort Zakat, går ikke ind for Istishad, har ikke lavet en bilbombe eller kernevåben og jeg ved dårligt nok, hvad Al Manar og бомба betyder. Men tak for den udviste interesse From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Aug 5 12:53:30 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:53:30 -0500 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7980CA.30106@swbell.net> Richard S. Crawford wrote: > I've been fighting with the sound system on my Kubuntu 9.04 machine > for several days now. Right now, the following works: > > 1. startup/shutdown music > 2. Anything using the Xine engine (Amarok, Kaffeine, etc.) > > What doesn't work is everything else. > > It seems to me that any application that uses ALSA is simply not > getting its sound through. I've tried everything at the "Pulse Audio > Perfect Setup" located at: > > http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup > > but this did not solve my problem. > > It seems to me that the ideal solution would be to dump Pulse Audio > completely, but I'm not sure that can be done safely. > > Anyone have any suggestions? > > > > Are you using Phonon (sp?)? To get sound to work reasonably I had to disable phonon and install Alsa. It's still no where near as good as it was in KDE 3.5.x but it at least works. It wouldn't work at all until I disabled phonon. I get good sound from local sources but internet sources are sometimes very "choppy" [ and it isn't my connection - I've got a fire hose connection not a drip line. ] -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From rscrawford at mossroot.com Wed Aug 5 13:06:13 2009 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:06:13 -0700 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Richard S. > Crawford wrote: >> I've been fighting with the sound system on my Kubuntu 9.04 machine >> for several days now. Right now, the following works: >> >> 1. startup/shutdown music >> 2. Anything using the Xine engine (Amarok, Kaffeine, etc.) >> >> What doesn't work is everything else. >> >> It seems to me that any application that uses ALSA is simply not >> getting its sound through. I've tried everything at the "Pulse Audio >> Perfect Setup" located at: >> >> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup >> >> but this did not solve my problem. >> >> It seems to me that the ideal solution would be to dump Pulse Audio >> completely, but I'm not sure that can be done safely. >> >> Anyone have any suggestions? >> > > The overall suggestion for those using KDE is to not use pulseadio and > uninstall everything related to it. KDE and programs written for KDE > don't use pulsadio and i have only seen problems with it. If I > remember right it was a bug in a package that pulled in some pulseadio > stuff that was not needed and it could mess things up. > What programs do you have that needs pulsadio? I uninstalled PulseAudio as per your suggestion, and now everything works fine. Thanks for the tip! Whose idea was it to bundle PulseAudio with KDE4 anyway? -- Richard S. Crawford (rscrawford at mossroot.com) http://www.mossroot.com Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Aug 5 13:12:22 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:12:22 -0500 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A798536.4080706@swbell.net> Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Richard S. > Crawford wrote: > >> I've been fighting with the sound system on my Kubuntu 9.04 machine >> for several days now. Right now, the following works: >> >> 1. startup/shutdown music >> 2. Anything using the Xine engine (Amarok, Kaffeine, etc.) >> >> What doesn't work is everything else. >> >> It seems to me that any application that uses ALSA is simply not >> getting its sound through. I've tried everything at the "Pulse Audio >> Perfect Setup" located at: >> >> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup >> >> but this did not solve my problem. >> >> It seems to me that the ideal solution would be to dump Pulse Audio >> completely, but I'm not sure that can be done safely. >> >> Anyone have any suggestions? >> >> > > The overall suggestion for those using KDE is to not use pulseadio and > uninstall everything related to it. KDE and programs written for KDE > don't use pulsadio and i have only seen problems with it. If I > remember right it was a bug in a package that pulled in some pulseadio > stuff that was not needed and it could mess things up. > What programs do you have that needs pulsadio? > > / Jonas > > I can't speak for others but Pulseaudio came as original equipment with my installation of 9.04. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 13:15:33 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:15:33 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Jonas Norlander wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Richard S. >> Crawford wrote: >>> I've been fighting with the sound system on my Kubuntu 9.04 machine >>> for several days now. Right now, the following works: >>> >>> 1. startup/shutdown music >>> 2. Anything using the Xine engine (Amarok, Kaffeine, etc.) >>> >>> What doesn't work is everything else. >>> >>> It seems to me that any application that uses ALSA is simply not >>> getting its sound through. I've tried everything at the "Pulse Audio >>> Perfect Setup" located at: >>> >>> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup >>> >>> but this did not solve my problem. >>> >>> It seems to me that the ideal solution would be to dump Pulse Audio >>> completely, but I'm not sure that can be done safely. >>> >>> Anyone have any suggestions? >>> >> >> The overall suggestion for those using KDE is to not use pulseadio and >> uninstall everything related to it. KDE and programs written for KDE >> don't use pulsadio and i have only seen problems with it. If I >> remember right it was a bug in a package that pulled in some pulseadio >> stuff that was not needed and it could mess things up. >> What programs do you have that needs pulsadio? > > I uninstalled PulseAudio as per your suggestion, and now everything > works fine. Thanks for the tip! Whose idea was it to bundle PulseAudio > with KDE4 anyway? > Good to here it work now. As Myriam wrote it's a dependency bug in the kdebase-runtime. / Jonas From ming.kbot at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 13:30:05 2009 From: ming.kbot at gmail.com (Ming Kbot) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:30:05 -0400 Subject: : Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to nount root fs Message-ID: <200908050930.05485.ming.kbot@gmail.com> # menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8) # grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8), # grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub # and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/. ## default num # Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and # the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used. # # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'. # WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not use 'savedefault' or your # array will desync and will not let you boot your system. default 0 ## timeout sec # Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry # (normally the first entry defined). timeout 3 ## hiddenmenu # Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu) hiddenmenu # Pretty colours #color cyan/blue white/blue ## password ['--md5'] passwd # If used in the first section of a menu file, disable all interactive editing # control (menu entry editor and command-line) and entries protected by the # command 'lock' # e.g. password topsecret # password --md5 $1$gLhU0/$aW78kHK1QfV3P2b2znUoe/ # password topsecret # # examples # # title Windows 95/98/NT/2000 # root (hd0,0) # makeactive # chainloader +1 # # title Linux # root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro # # # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs ## ## Start Default Options ## ## default kernel options ## default kernel options for automagic boot options ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted. ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro # kopt=root=UUID=a750f192-d66d-468c-a780-d652731e7fd3 ro ## default grub root device ## e.g. groot=(hd0,0) # groot=a750f192-d66d-468c-a780-d652731e7fd3 ## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options ## e.g. alternative=true ## alternative=false # alternative=true ## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options ## e.g. lockalternative=true ## lockalternative=false # lockalternative=false ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the ## alternatives ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5 # defoptions=quiet splash ## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options ## e.g. lockold=false ## lockold=true # lockold=false ## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option # xenhopt= ## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option # xenkopt=console=tty0 ## altoption boot targets option ## multiple altoptions lines are allowed ## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options ## altoptions=(recovery) single # altoptions=(recovery mode) single ## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst ## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the ## alternative kernel options ## e.g. howmany=all ## howmany=7 # howmany=all ## specify if running in Xen domU or have grub detect automatically ## update-grub will ignore non-xen kernels when running in domU and vice versa ## e.g. indomU=detect ## indomU=true ## indomU=false # indomU=detect ## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option ## e.g. memtest86=true ## memtest86=false # memtest86=true ## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system ## can be true or false # updatedefaultentry=false ## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options ## can be true or false # savedefault=false ## ## End Default Options ## title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-14-generic uuid a750f192-d66d-468c-a780-d652731e7fd3 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-14-generic root=UUID=a750f192-d66d-468c- a780- d652731e7fd3 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-14-generic quiet title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-14-generic (recovery mode) uuid a750f192-d66d-468c-a780-d652731e7fd3 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-14-generic root=UUID=a750f192-d66d-468c- a780- d652731e7fd3 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-14-generic title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-13-generic uuid a750f192-d66d-468c-a780-d652731e7fd3 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-13-generic root=UUID=a750f192-d66d-468c- a780- d652731e7fd3 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-13-generic quiet title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-13-generic (recovery mode) uuid a750f192-d66d-468c-a780-d652731e7fd3 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-13-generic root=UUID=a750f192-d66d-468c- a780- d652731e7fd3 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-13-generic title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-generic uuid a750f192-d66d-468c-a780-d652731e7fd3 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic root=UUID=a750f192-d66d-468c- a780- d652731e7fd3 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic quiet title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-generic (recovery mode) uuid a750f192-d66d-468c-a780-d652731e7fd3 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic root=UUID=a750f192-d66d-468c- a780- d652731e7fd3 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic title Ubuntu 9.04, memtest86+ uuid a750f192-d66d-468c-a780-d652731e7fd3 kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin quiet ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST On Monday 03 August 2009 11:34:01 am Wagner Sales wrote: > Hi Ming, > > Well, seems to be a misconfiguration on grub. Please, post your > /boot/grub/menu.lst here. I think will be easy to solve. > > Regards, > > Wagner > > 2009/8/3 Ming Kbot : > > Help ! > > > > I'm new to linux .. > > > > i cant boot Kubuntu. ( normally ) > > > > when i go into grub menu selecting > > Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-14-generic gives a error and stops. > > > > The error reads: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to nount root fs > > on unknown-block(0,0) > > > > when I select Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-13-generic boots normally > > > > I've run fsck and the disk checker on the Ubuntu DVD they found 1 bad > > block and fixed it. > > > > can i run 13 and force it to update to 14 again ? > > > > please help ! > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Aug 5 14:16:22 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:16:22 -0500 Subject: ** RESOLVED ** Re: 3rd Party Applications In-Reply-To: <200908042207.49569.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908030940.30977.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908032000.11735.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A777CB1.5020902@swbell.net> <200908042207.49569.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A799436.900@swbell.net> Steven Vollom wrote: > Trim > >> Steven, If I might make a suggestion. >> >> If I were you I would concentrate on getting one _VERY_ stable computer >> first. If your newer machine is buggy then make your older one the >> stable machine. _THEN_ you can use the other one to play around with. >> That way you will always have a system that works well. Just don't mess >> with the stable machine. >> > > I am concentrating on the computer I want to function as my primary computer. > > > Sometimes it's not so much which we "want" but which will function. In your case it _might_ be better to use your older computer as your stable work-a-day computer. That way if something goes wrong with your better one you can at least fall back on it. Your newer whiz-bang computer _might_ work better with 9.10 [ a, b, rc ]. Just a thought. Did you ever get your network issues worked out so you can swap files between computers? You've said that it works well from the live CD. Well, my suggestion will probably not make you to happy. Save off whatever you can and want to save. Format the drive and re-install 9.04. Add back whatever you saved item by item. Checking to see that nothing causes a fault. Install only what's in the repos or has a deb using the package managers. Check to make sure something doesn't cause a fault as you do so. Once you have it working properly _leave_it_alone_. If you want to try some outside package try it on a spare computer first. Once you've worked out any problems _then_ you add it to your primary computer. Don't just install anything that comes along. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Wed Aug 5 14:22:20 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:22:20 +0300 Subject: OT: converting files to mpeg4 Message-ID: <4A79959C.9080009@prayingforisrael.net> I know this is not a Kubuntu specific question but I have searched all over the web and the DownloadHelper site: Using Firefox and the DownloadHelper addon I am trying to convert some .flv fishing clips to mpeg4 to play on a Artech Portable DVD Player (it states that it can play mpeg4 videos). After trying several options in the DownloadHelper conversion menus I still cannot get the burnt CD to play in the Artech Portable DVD Player. It shows the files but on trying to play them it gives an error message about "Unsupported Format". The problem is that there are too many options in the DownloadHelper menu :-( Can somebody give some idea how to get it to play? I thought it would be easy.... How come something 'easy' is complicated? Blessings and TIA, Nigel From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 14:38:17 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:38:17 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.3 halp!, moans and yays Message-ID: <200908051638.18139.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi, Just done the update to 4.3 on Jaunty. Halp!: 1. Get the task manager to work? I see no icons for my various windows at all, not for minimized or opened - there's just a big blank space. 2. Get the desktop/plasma-thing-from-hell/whatever to show when freshly logging-in? Right now I have a background with a checkerboard pattern and I have to do mouse voodoo to get to the one with the wallpaper and desktop icons. 3. Manually save a session? Moans: 1. Gwenview : still can't drag/drop into it... And all the other bugs Dotan helped me to file are still firmly in place. 2. Konqphin : Still won't remember the last place I was when back button is pressed - it goes to the top of the list again. 3. Plasma panels : Crashes when you drag things around in edit mode. Yays!: 1. My 3D compositing started working again. I had to kill ~/.kde and replace kmail and kabc and kwallet files one-by-one though. 2. Scroll bars now respond to middle button! This is a HUGE yay :D \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 14:42:23 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:42:23 +0200 Subject: OT: converting files to mpeg4 In-Reply-To: <4A79959C.9080009@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4A79959C.9080009@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200908051642.23631.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 16:22:20 Nigel Ridley wrote: > Can somebody give some idea how to get it to play? I thought it would be > easy.... How come something 'easy' is complicated? Nothing about video is easy. I have just stuck a toe into that water and I still don't know what hit me... Try an app called avidemux -- it has ways and means to convert formats. Don't ask me for specifics, but there's hope... \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From mcguiresmain at emypeople.com Thu Aug 6 02:42:03 2009 From: mcguiresmain at emypeople.com (Edwin McGuire) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:42:03 -0600 Subject: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 References: <007801ca14ab$d1344fb0$32b4e404@Dell> <4A77C784.3030109@lemmons.name><4A782E4E.3030205@swbell.net> <4A78877C.1040107@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <006a01ca163f$c44d2020$bfb4e404@Dell> I realize most people have World Wide Web access, I believe there's a difference between Web and Internet access though (you can have Internet without the Web,i.e. E-Mail account only as in my case, Emypeople.com). I usually go to our local library for Web access, I tried to be specific in my question, I wish I could explain it better sorry. : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Lemmons" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Aug 5 15:03:42 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:03:42 -0300 Subject: : Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to nount root fs References: <200908050930.05485.ming.kbot@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ming Kbot wrote: PLEASE use the "reply" option, so that messages thread properly. And please don't top post, it makes it really hard to have a conversation. >> Well, seems to be a misconfiguration on grub. Please, post your >> /boot/grub/menu.lst here. I think will be easy to solve. Actually, it is probably not a grub misconfiguration, and equally unlikely to be easy to solve. The fact that his UUIDs are the same for both the working and non-working kernel images argues against there being a grub config problem. If you boot into the "recovery" version of the -14 image, you should see a message shortly before the panic indicating that it couldn't find a filesystem on the boot partition. >> > when i go into grub menu selecting >> > Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-14-generic gives a error and stops. >> > >> > The error reads: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to nount root >> > fs on unknown-block(0,0) >> > >> > when I select Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-13-generic boots normally >> > >> > I've run fsck and the disk checker on the Ubuntu DVD they found 1 bad >> > block and fixed it. >> > >> > can i run 13 and force it to update to 14 again ? You can try. ime, this is due to "update-initramfs" not actually putting all the necessary modules into the initrd image. As long as kernel 2.6.28-13 is working, I'd stick with it until a new kernel comes along, and then try that. -- derek From wsales at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 15:07:35 2009 From: wsales at gmail.com (Wagner Sales) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:07:35 -0300 Subject: Error upgrading KDE version to 4.3 In-Reply-To: <200908051122.06123.kassube@gmx.net> References: <11b83aa60908041513u4482fcffp1d01e709bbeee03f@mail.gmail.com> <200908050733.09041.kassube@gmx.net> <200908051122.06123.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <11b83aa60908050807u6f8e71f6kadf832bd040e2991@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, That's vibrant community! Thanks for help. After I installed kubuntu-desktop, all works fine! 2009/8/5 Nils Kassube : > Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Nils Kassube wrote: >> > Wagner Sales wrote: >> >> I've upgraded ( tried ) my KDE version to 4.3 ( most recent ) >> >> and... >> > >> > How? There is no KDE 4.3 in the Jaunty repositories. >> >> Oh yes, there is, it is in the backports PPA since quite some time. >> See also http://kubuntu.org for more information. > > Granted, I do know about the PPA but I wouldn't count that as one of the > "normal" Jaunty repositories. At least for a production machine I would > hesitate to install software from PPAs unless I have tested it before on > another machine. > > I agree Nils. But I'm a big fan of radical sports! :) Regards. > Nils > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Wed Aug 5 15:12:17 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:12:17 +0100 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A79A151.70209@btinternet.com> I can't speak for others but Pulseaudio came as original equipment with my installation of 9.04. I too only had pulse audio in my initial installation of 9.04, it wasn't until I had installed and activated the correct nvidia drivers for my machine's chip set that I managed to get the alsa stuff working properly. I now have alsa.... and pulseaudio and they both work properly. On about every 3rd boot/reboot I get a black patch come up bottom right with an error from Phonon saying alsa doesn't work and it has defaulted to pulseaudio. But as it's always alsa that's running my track when I do a ps aux | grep alsa, I suppose it's just an application 'race' with the wrong 'application' coming into run first occasionally. brian From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Wed Aug 5 15:13:48 2009 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: KDE 4.3 halp!, moans and yays In-Reply-To: <200908051638.18139.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <557063210.6561181249485228392.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donn" >To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:38:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >Subject: KDE 4.3 halp!, moans and yays > >Hi, >Just done the update to 4.3 on Jaunty. > >Halp!: >1. Get the task manager to work? I see no icons for my various windows at all, >not for minimized or opened - there's just a big blank space. >2. Get the desktop/plasma-thing-from-hell/whatever to show when freshly >logging-in? Right now I have a background with a checkerboard pattern and I >have to do mouse voodoo to get to the one with the wallpaper and desktop >icons. >3. Manually save a session? > >Moans: >1. Gwenview : still can't drag/drop into it... And all the other bugs Dotan >helped me to file are still firmly in place. >2. Konqphin : Still won't remember the last place I was when back button is >pressed - it goes to the top of the list again. >3. Plasma panels : Crashes when you drag things around in edit mode. > >Yays!: >1. My 3D compositing started working again. I had to kill ~/.kde and replace >kmail and kabc and kwallet files one-by-one though. >2. Scroll bars now respond to middle button! This is a HUGE yay :D I suggest moving ~/.kde and letting the system rebuild from scratch when you logon. 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URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 15:15:51 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:15:51 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.3 halp!, moans and yays In-Reply-To: <557063210.6561181249485228392.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <557063210.6561181249485228392.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200908051715.52483.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 17:13:48 pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: > I suggest moving ~/.kde Did that. \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 15:17:33 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:17:33 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: <4A79A151.70209@btinternet.com> References: <4A79A151.70209@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <200908051717.34057.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 17:12:17 Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > I get a black patch come up bottom > right with an error from Phonon saying alsa doesn't work and it has > defaulted to pulseaudio. Me too. Sound and KDE4 -- I just wave my hand and hope for the best... \d From juergen.sauer at automatix.de Wed Aug 5 15:48:58 2009 From: juergen.sauer at automatix.de (Juergen Sauer) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:48:58 +0200 Subject: OT: converting files to mpeg4 In-Reply-To: <4A79959C.9080009@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4A79959C.9080009@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200908051748.58312.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> Am Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 schrieb Nigel Ridley: > files to mpeg4 BTW, this is off-topic, the answer also^^ I use "HandBreak" as gut and cl tool to do such things and much more... See: http://www.handbrake.fr Great Tool, only bad thing about to say, it's not a KDE/QT4 Tool... Jojo -- Jürgen Sauer - automatiX GmbH, +49-4209-4699, juergen.sauer at automatix.de Das Linux Systemhaus - Service - Support - Server - Lösungen Geschäftsführer (Managing Director): Jürgen Sauer, Gerichtstand: Amtsgericht Walsrode • HRB 120986 Ust-Id: DE191468481 • St.Nr.: 36/201/14198 From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Wed Aug 5 17:02:02 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:02:02 +0300 Subject: OT: extracting codec info from an mpeg video file Message-ID: <4A79BB0A.50509@prayingforisrael.net> Sorry for the OT questions. I have managed to find on the web a short video clip with a .mpg file extension which plays on an Artech Portable DVD Player :-) I now would like to be able to find out how the said file is built ie. what do I have to do to replicate its make-up. Any cmd line suggestions? I did look through the man pages for ffmpeg but no joy and I also scoured the web but again no joy :-( TIA Blessings, Nigel From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 17:13:24 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:13:24 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.3 halp!, moans and yays : UPDATE In-Reply-To: <200908051638.18139.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908051638.18139.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908051913.24311.donn.ingle@gmail.com> I did a: sudo aptitude dist-upgrade and things are better: > 1. Get the task manager to work? I see no icons for my various windows at > all, not for minimized or opened - there's just a big blank space. Fixed now since upgrade. > 2. Get the desktop/plasma-thing-from-hell/whatever to show when freshly > logging-in? Fixed. Might be because I manually saved the last session. > 3. Manually save a session? There is an option in the launcher. > Moans: > 1. Gwenview : still can't drag/drop into it... And all the other bugs Dotan > helped me to file are still firmly in place. Nope - still no good. > 2. Konqphin : Still won't remember the last place I was when back button is > pressed - it goes to the top of the list again. Nope - no good. > 3. Plasma panels : Crashes when you drag things around in edit mode. Seems fixed. \d From claydoh at midmaine.com Wed Aug 5 18:02:42 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:02:42 -0400 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: <4A79A151.70209@btinternet.com> References: <4A79A151.70209@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <200908051402.42654.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 11:12:17 am Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > I can't speak for others but Pulseaudio came as original equipment with > my installation of 9.04. > Not entirely true here. There is a pulseaudio library installed by default (libpulse0) : "Client libraries used by applications that access a PulseAudio sound server via PulseAudio's native interface" But the actual pulseaudio *sound server* (Package name pulseaudio, and its dependencies) is not. Something installed afterward is pulling it in: apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio pulseaudio Reverse Depends: pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-dbg openjdk-6-jre libpulsecore9 libpulsecore9 libpulse0 ubuntustudio-desktop ubuntu-netbook-remix mpd ubuntu-desktop pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-dbg openjdk-6-jre ltsp-client libpulsecore9 libpulsecore9 libpulse0 The only thing that sticks out is openjdk-jre (a java package), or perhaps a package that depends on something in the above list such as the icedtea6- plugin -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From claydoh at midmaine.com Wed Aug 5 18:05:24 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:05:24 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.3 halp!, moans and yays : UPDATE In-Reply-To: <200908051913.24311.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908051638.18139.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908051913.24311.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908051405.24448.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 01:13:24 pm Donn wrote: > > > 2. Konqphin : Still won't remember the last place I was when back button > > is pressed - it goes to the top of the list again. > Odd , as I have not seen this particular issue in quite a while > Nope - no good. > -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Aug 5 18:57:27 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:57:27 -0500 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: <200908051402.42654.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4A79A151.70209@btinternet.com> <200908051402.42654.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4A79D617.4010409@swbell.net> Clay Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 11:12:17 am Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > >> I can't speak for others but Pulseaudio came as original equipment with >> my installation of 9.04. >> >> > Not entirely true here. There is a pulseaudio library installed by default > (libpulse0) : > > "Client libraries used by applications that access a PulseAudio sound server > via PulseAudio's native interface" > > But the actual pulseaudio *sound server* (Package name pulseaudio, and its > dependencies) is not. Something installed afterward is pulling it in: > > apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio > pulseaudio > Reverse Depends: > pulseaudio-esound-compat > pulseaudio-dbg > openjdk-6-jre > libpulsecore9 > libpulsecore9 > libpulse0 > ubuntustudio-desktop > ubuntu-netbook-remix > mpd > ubuntu-desktop > pulseaudio-esound-compat > pulseaudio-dbg > openjdk-6-jre > ltsp-client > libpulsecore9 > libpulsecore9 > libpulse0 > > The only thing that sticks out is openjdk-jre (a java package), or perhaps a > package that depends on something in the above list such as the icedtea6- > plugin > > Pulseaudio shows up in my sound under multimedia, but according to synaptic all that's installed is the lib. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From debianrob at poncacity.net Wed Aug 5 21:53:50 2009 From: debianrob at poncacity.net (Rob Wright) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:53:50 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.3 Kmail missing content Message-ID: <200908051653.50615.debianrob@poncacity.net> Howdy, I upgraded KDE from 4.2 to 4.3 on my Jaunty machine this morning and have a weird problem already. When I reply or forward an email from Kmail, the original text is neither displayed in the compose window, nor in the message the recipient gets. None of my Kmail settings have changed, and everything else displays text with no problems so far. Any ideas? Thanks, Rob Wright debianrob at poncacity.net From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 23:59:17 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 01:59:17 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.3 Kmail missing content In-Reply-To: <200908051653.50615.debianrob@poncacity.net> References: <200908051653.50615.debianrob@poncacity.net> Message-ID: <200908060159.17145.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 23:53:50 Rob Wright wrote: > I upgraded KDE from 4.2 to 4.3 on my Jaunty machine I had weird problems too, not your one, but others. My solution was to do: sudo aptitude dist-upgrade ...twice... Not sure what that does zigactly; I have a funny feeling I may be in some quantum state between Jaunty and Karmic (which is really very Zen) but KDE4.3 is certainly feeling more solid that 4.2.x \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From godshatter at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 01:51:00 2009 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:51:00 -0700 Subject: OT: extracting codec info from an mpeg video file In-Reply-To: <4A79BB0A.50509@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4A79BB0A.50509@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <4A7A3704.9040008@yahoo.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Sorry for the OT questions. > I have managed to find on the web a short video clip with a .mpg file extension which plays on an > Artech Portable DVD Player :-) I now would like to be able to find out how the said file is built > ie. what do I have to do to replicate its make-up. > Any cmd line suggestions? I did look through the man pages for ffmpeg but no joy and I also > scoured the web but again no joy :-( > > TIA > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > I'm not sure what all you need, but I find running mplayer with the -identify switch gives a lot of information. Run it from command-line (it will launch a gui to show the video), then exit the video and look at the information it output. Paul From mike.lakomy at ymail.com Wed Aug 5 18:56:05 2009 From: mike.lakomy at ymail.com (Mike Lakomy) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <006a01ca163f$c44d2020$bfb4e404@Dell> References: <007801ca14ab$d1344fb0$32b4e404@Dell> <4A77C784.3030109@lemmons.name><4A782E4E.3030205@swbell.net> <4A78877C.1040107@lemmons.name> <006a01ca163f$c44d2020$bfb4e404@Dell> Message-ID: <402607.30396.qm@web111609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> hi! Kubuntu doesnt ship with games because there isnt enough room on the CD (Xubuntu/Ubuntu can because GNOME/XFCE are much smaller) you can get a bunch of linux games on a cd from Microcenter in Ohio, dont know if they carry that were you live but you can order them by internet (which on second thought brings us back where we started :) ) (URL for microcenter: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0221647 ) do you know anyone who uses linux? they might download some game binaries and put them on a CD/USB drive for you. a Local Linux Group might be a good place to start or even you Ubuntu LoCo team (local groups URL: http://www.linux.org/groups/ ) (Ubuntu LoCo teams URL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList ) good luck! ________________________________ From: Edwin McGuire To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:42:03 PM Subject: Re: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 I realize most people have World Wide Web access, I believe there's a difference between Web and Internet access though (you can have Internet without the Web,i.e. E-Mail account only as in my case, Emypeople.com). I usually go to our local library for Web access, I tried to be specific in my question, I wish I could explain it better sorry. : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Lemmons" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4A79959C.9080009@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4A79959C.9080009@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <4A7ADA57.4020800@prayingforisrael.net> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I know this is not a Kubuntu specific question but I have searched all over the web and the > DownloadHelper site: > Using Firefox and the DownloadHelper addon I am trying to convert some .flv fishing clips to > mpeg4 to play on a Artech Portable DVD Player (it states that it can play mpeg4 videos). After > trying several options in the DownloadHelper conversion menus I still cannot get the burnt CD to > play in the Artech Portable DVD Player. It shows the files but on trying to play them it gives an > error message about "Unsupported Format". > The problem is that there are too many options in the DownloadHelper menu :-( > > Can somebody give some idea how to get it to play? I thought it would be easy.... How come > something 'easy' is complicated? > > Blessings and TIA, > > Nigel > Thanks to everyone who tried to help. I found the solution (using ffmpeg): ffmpeg -i input_file_name.flv -sameq output_file_name.mpg For Batch Converting: for i in *.flv; do ffmpeg -i "$i" -sameq "${i%flv}mpg"; done Blessings, Nigel From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Thu Aug 6 13:29:55 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:29:55 +0300 Subject: OT: extracting codec info from an mpeg video file Solved! In-Reply-To: <4A7A3704.9040008@yahoo.com> References: <4A79BB0A.50509@prayingforisrael.net> <4A7A3704.9040008@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7ADAD3.20307@prayingforisrael.net> Paul Rumelhart wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Sorry for the OT questions. >> I have managed to find on the web a short video clip with a .mpg file extension which plays on an >> Artech Portable DVD Player :-) I now would like to be able to find out how the said file is built >> ie. what do I have to do to replicate its make-up. >> Any cmd line suggestions? I did look through the man pages for ffmpeg but no joy and I also >> scoured the web but again no joy :-( >> >> TIA >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> >> > I'm not sure what all you need, but I find running mplayer with the > -identify switch gives a lot of information. Run it from command-line > (it will launch a gui to show the video), then exit the video and look > at the information it output. > > Paul > > Thanks for the tip. I actually managed to get things working using ffmpeg. For those that are interested in doing something similar: ffmpeg -i input_file_name.flv -sameq output_file_name.mpg For Batch Converting: for i in *.flv; do ffmpeg -i "$i" -sameq "${i%flv}mpg"; done Blessings, Nigel From rasmith1959 at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 14:17:22 2009 From: rasmith1959 at gmail.com (Roy Smith) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:17:22 -0500 Subject: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <402607.30396.qm@web111609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <007801ca14ab$d1344fb0$32b4e404@Dell> <4A77C784.3030109@lemmons.name><4A782E4E.3030205@swbell.net> <4A78877C.1040107@lemmons.name> <006a01ca163f$c44d2020$bfb4e404@Dell> <402607.30396.qm@web111609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7AE5F2.1080102@gmail.com> Mike Lakomy wrote: > hi! > Kubuntu doesnt ship with games because there isnt enough room on the > CD (Xubuntu/Ubuntu can because GNOME/XFCE are much smaller) > you can get a bunch of linux games on a cd from Microcenter in Ohio, > dont know if they carry that were you live but you can order them by > internet (which on second thought brings us back where we started :) ) > > (URL for > microcenter: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0221647 > ) > > do you know anyone who uses linux? they might download some game > binaries and put them on a CD/USB drive for you. a Local Linux Group > might be a good place to start or even you Ubuntu LoCo team (local > groups URL: http://www.linux.org/groups/ ) (Ubuntu LoCo teams > URL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList ) > > good luck! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Edwin McGuire > *To:* Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:42:03 PM > *Subject:* Re: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 > > I realize most people have World Wide Web access, I believe there's a > difference between /_Web_/ and /_Internet_/ access though (you can > have /_Internet_/ without the /_Web_/,i.e. _E-Mail account only_ as in > my case, Emypeople.com). I usually go to our local library for Web > access, I tried to be specific in my question, I wish I could explain > it better sorry. *: )* I'm sorry I haven't been watching the whole message thread, but this pc you're using is it a desktop or a laptop? If it's a laptop you can alway take it somewhere where you can get internet access, such as a coffee shop, truck stop, whatever... You can go to www.jiwire.com and they have a WiFi database there that you can search and find WiFi hotspots in your area. I live in Montgomery AL and I went there and it listed 43 WiFi hotspots that were within 10 miles of my zip code. Some were free and some you had to pay for access. The pay sites usually aren't that expensive, I know at truck stops it's generally around $5.00 for 24 hours of access. Though if it's a desktop pc you have Kubuntu on, then I guess I just wasted your and my time... ;-) -- Roy Smith Yahoo - rasmith1959 Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope ICQ - 265622 Registered Linux User #488144 MSN - rasmith1959 at live.com Registered Ubuntu User #26841 AIM - rasmith1959 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rasmith1959 at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 14:24:46 2009 From: rasmith1959 at gmail.com (Roy Smith) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:24:46 -0500 Subject: Mobile broadband internet connection with Sierra Wireless Aircard In-Reply-To: <685870.30486.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <685870.30486.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7AE7AE.8020708@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 samuel obirieze wrote: > > I got a new Sierra Wireless Aircard 597E for my internet connection > via my express card slot in my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop.the stuff > works on my vista with ease but can't seem to work on my Kubuntu > 9.04.i tried everything from wvdial, pppconfig, network management > widget and knetwork manager.pls can any one help?Just give me the > steps and I'll figure it out. Go to www.linuxwireless.org and you can search for your card and get instructions on how to make it work with Kubuntu. - -- Roy Smith Yahoo - rasmith1959 Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope ICQ - 265622 Registered Linux User #488144 MSN - rasmith1959 at live.com Registered Ubuntu User #26841 AIM - rasmith1959 at yahoo.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp656kACgkQsJ43Ti8ZtEZMJgCgogRbcL+xKCHN2iBiDNzMTYHU 0nMAnigs6t8S/OdCsJZBLrltJ8hojx+r =AP9G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Thu Aug 6 14:43:41 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Mobile broadband internet connection with Sierra Wireless Aircard References: <685870.30486.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:51:09 -0700, samuel obirieze wrote: > I got a new Sierra Wireless Aircard 597E for my internet connection via > my express card slot in my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop.the stuff works on > my vista with ease but can't seem to work on my Kubuntu 9.04.i tried > everything from wvdial, pppconfig, network management widget and > knetwork manager.pls can any one help?Just give me the steps and I'll > figure it out. Thanks. > Samuel. http://sierrawireless.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/500 should help. Good luck! -Frans From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 6 14:26:51 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:26:51 -0300 Subject: Mobile broadband internet connection with Sierra Wireless Aircard References: <685870.30486.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: samuel obirieze wrote: > I got a new Sierra Wireless Aircard 597E for my internet connection via my > express card slot in my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop.the stuff works on my > vista with ease but can't seem to work on my Kubuntu 9.04.i tried > everything from wvdial, pppconfig, network management widget and knetwork > manager.pls can any one help?Just give me the steps and I'll figure it > out. Thanks. Samuel. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sierra+Wireless+Aircard+597E+ubuntu -- derek From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Aug 6 16:14:25 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:14:25 +0200 Subject: Local printers not supported In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0908042206i48c103fdo213b97ca4ef2a7d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c2aabaf0908042206i48c103fdo213b97ca4ef2a7d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael Hirsch wrote: > I'm trying to help my Dad with a problem. He's using KDE 3.5.x and > his USB printer stopped working. He can see the printer with "lsusb" > so it would appear that USB works, but when he tries to add the > printer with the KDE Add Printer Wizard, the choice "Local printer > (parallel, serial, USB)" is deactivated. He can't press the radio > button to enable it. The other radio buttons are all active except > for "Serial Fax/Modem printer". > What does "stopped working" mean? Why does he need to add an apparently existing printer? You might try with http://localhost:631 and see, whether you can reenable the printer and print a testpage from there. Kind regards Eberhard From bettini at dsi.unifi.it Thu Aug 6 16:14:40 2009 From: bettini at dsi.unifi.it (Lorenzo Bettini) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:14:40 +0200 Subject: Pulseaudio and my sanity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you tried Linux Mint 7 with KDE? It works perfect for me, while I've always had problems with audio in kubuntu 9.04; in mint, skype, amarok, they all work :-) cheers Lorenzo -- Lorenzo Bettini, PhD in Computer Science, DI, Univ. Torino ICQ# lbetto, 16080134 (GNU/Linux User # 158233) HOME: http://www.lorenzobettini.it MUSIC: http://www.purplesucker.com http://www.myspace.com/supertrouperabba BLOGS: http://tronprog.blogspot.com http://longlivemusic.blogspot.com http://www.gnu.org/software/src-highlite http://www.gnu.org/software/gengetopt http://www.gnu.org/software/gengen http://doublecpp.sourceforge.net From mdhirsch at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 17:30:37 2009 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:30:37 -0600 Subject: Local printers not supported In-Reply-To: References: <9c2aabaf0908042206i48c103fdo213b97ca4ef2a7d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0908061030h27f15b4bk461916dd0dc2590d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Michael Hirsch wrote: >> I'm trying to help my Dad with a problem.  He's using KDE 3.5.x and >> his USB printer stopped working.  He can see the printer with "lsusb" >> so it would appear that USB works, but when he tries to add the >> printer with the KDE Add Printer Wizard, the choice "Local printer >> (parallel, serial, USB)" is deactivated.  He can't press the radio >> button to enable it.  The other radio buttons are all active except >> for "Serial Fax/Modem printer". >> > > What does "stopped working" mean? It used to work, and now it doesn't. > Why does he need to add an apparently existing printer? The printer is defined, but not functional. One approach I gave him was to try to define it again. Also, he took the printer to my Mom's computer which is also running Kubuntu and tried to install it there with the same symptom. Strangely, when he tries to edit the currently defined printer, it is defined to be a local printer, but the local printer field is greyed out and not functional. > > You might try with http://localhost:631 and see, whether you > can reenable the printer and print a testpage from there. I'll see if I can talk him through that. It's tricky because he lives far away, so this is all phone support. Thanks, Michael From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Thu Aug 6 18:18:41 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:18:41 -0700 Subject: Mobile broadband internet connection with Sierra Wireless Aircard In-Reply-To: References: <685870.30486.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200908061118.41871.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday 06 August 2009 7:26:51 am Derek Broughton wrote: > samuel obirieze wrote: > > I got a new Sierra Wireless Aircard 597E for my internet connection via > > my express card slot in my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop.the stuff works on > > my vista with ease but can't seem to work on my Kubuntu 9.04.i tried > > everything from wvdial, pppconfig, network management widget and knetwork > > manager.pls can any one help?Just give me the steps and I'll figure it > > out. Thanks. Samuel. > > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sierra+Wireless+Aircard+597E+ubuntu Broken link, just goes to google. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Thu Aug 6 19:02:01 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [OT] Re: Mobile broadband internet connection with Sierra Wireless Aircard References: <685870.30486.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200908061118.41871.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:18:41 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > On Thursday 06 August 2009 7:26:51 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> samuel obirieze wrote: >> > I got a new Sierra Wireless Aircard 597E for my internet connection >> > via my express card slot in my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop.the stuff >> > works on my vista with ease but can't seem to work on my Kubuntu >> > 9.04.i tried everything from wvdial, pppconfig, network management >> > widget and knetwork manager.pls can any one help?Just give me the >> > steps and I'll figure it out. Thanks. Samuel. >> >> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sierra+Wireless+Aircard+597E+ubuntu > > Broken link, just goes to google. It says "Enable javascript to use LMGTFY" in my firefox browser. If I _allow_ javascript it works :) -Frans From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 6 19:33:59 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:33:59 -0400 Subject: I need help with this instruction. Message-ID: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Jaunty 64 KDE 4.2.2 > Steven, this may help ease in reinstallation of your OS, should you need > to do it. I am putting in a new subject so that it will not confuse you > with your current boot problems. Other than backing up your home, and I > understand you have a separate partition now for it, the following will > help you reinstall your various applications like e-sword, wine etc. > without needing to download again. > > make a folder called say, Repo in your home. Is a folder the same as a directory? Do I open the /home/steven directory to create the 'folder' and name it Repo, or do I type 'mkdir Repo from the CLI? > install dpkg-dev and build-essential > sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/Steven/Repo In this command, my /home/steven is with a small 's' the instruction 'S' - I should type in the small 's', is that correct? > cd /home/Steven/Repo > sudo dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz > >" burn a cd of all the items in Repo" Is this a command line instruction? If it is, is the information I want burned to the CD when this command is entered? Can I do this by removing the Live CD and place the media and still be in the Live CD? > After installation, Once the data is in the CD, is it present on the screen with an install file? > sudo apt-cdrom add Or does this command install the application? Do I then put the Live CD back in the DVDRW? > > > Whenever you do any installation, it will probe your cdrom and install > from there and use these files instead of downloading again unless there > are newer versions available. > > Before you copy files to Repo, it is advisable to > sudo apt-get autoremove > sudo apt-get autoclean Can these two commands be made while using the Live CD? If I open a shell, won't it be checking the Live CD files and not the broken portion of the computer's files? If I open the partition that contains the applications I want to preserve and the configurations I want to retain, and if I attempt to open Dolphin in that partition, can I open Dolphin, press F4, and have a proper shell to work from? Perhaps if I had more than one DVDRW to work from I wouldn't be so confused, however with only the one writer, I am not sure I can remove the Live CD to make a CD and still have the operation capability with the Live CD removed. If this is difficult to understand, it was equally difficult to form the words in a way that cover my thoughts. Thanks! Steven From tim at johnsons-web.com Thu Aug 6 19:41:49 2009 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:41:49 -0800 Subject: Audio is disabled Message-ID: <20090806194149.GA26639@johnsons-web.com> I'm using kubuntu 8.04. following the last update, my audio is disabled. No audio on speakers or on headphones. Looking at kmix, I see that all output is turned all the way up. Maybe someone could instruct me on how to start trouble-shooting this problem. thanks -- Tim tim at johnsons-web.com http://www.akwebsoft.com From james at seainc.com Thu Aug 6 19:45:52 2009 From: james at seainc.com (James Tullos) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:45:52 -0700 Subject: Audio is disabled In-Reply-To: <20090806194149.GA26639@johnsons-web.com> References: <20090806194149.GA26639@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <4A7B32F0.3030903@seainc.com> Tim Johnson wrote: > I'm using kubuntu 8.04. > following the last update, my audio is disabled. > No audio on speakers or on headphones. > Looking at kmix, I see that all output is turned all the way up. > Maybe someone could instruct me on how to start trouble-shooting > this problem. > thanks I had a similar problem at one point. Check your mixer and make sure all appropriate channels are showing and unmuted. My Master Front channel was hidden and muted. From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 6 19:46:52 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:46:52 -0400 Subject: Kmail entry. Message-ID: <200908061546.52702.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Karmic 32 KDE 4.3.00 Rc3 Linux 2.6.31-5 Kmail 1.12.0 Recently Kmail would not send emails. I verified the configuration and found that in the Sending>Advance tab, the password field was empty. It usually has 8 dots in it. I typed in my password and clicked OK. The Apply button did not activate, so I closed the Configuration box. When I checked the email, it had sent. I confirmed by seeing that it was in the sent emails. Then I tried and send an additional email and it also sent properly. As a matter of confirmation I reopened the Kmail configuration file and checked the Sending>Advanced tab, to see if the password field contained the missing dots. The dots were still missing, but emails are sending, so I consider the problem resolved. I am not sure the developers would deem it solved, because of the missing dots. It seems a trivial matter, but I don't know the implications of such things and thought I should ask the experts before forgetting the matter and moving on. Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 6 20:00:20 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:00:20 -0400 Subject: sudo update - sudo safe-upgrade Message-ID: <200908061600.20331.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Is it possible to update and safe-upgrade my computer while using my Live CD? Steven From debianrob at poncacity.net Thu Aug 6 20:00:20 2009 From: debianrob at poncacity.net (Rob Wright) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:00:20 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.3 Kmail missing content In-Reply-To: <200908060159.17145.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908051653.50615.debianrob@poncacity.net> <200908060159.17145.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908061500.20231.debianrob@poncacity.net> I can't even reply to a message properly, cut 'n paste for the LOSE. On August 6, 2009 donn.ingle at gmail.com wrote: >I had weird problems too, not your one, but others. My solution was to do: >sudo aptitude dist-upgrade >...twice... >Not sure what that does zigactly; I have a funny feeling I may be in some >quantum state between Jaunty and Karmic (which is really very Zen) but KDE4.3 >is certainly feeling more solid that 4.2.x Tried that on the off chance that it might help. I now have to use cut 'n paste to reply or forward email messages (a critical part of my job), I've got the most useless sound system and a desktop UI that does half of what it used to. I completely regret ever upgrading this machine to Jaunty, and I mean that in the most positive way possible. What is the best way to downgrade to Hardy or Intrepid? I'm assuming my best bet is to just start from scratch with a fresh install? Thanks, Rob Wright debianrob at poncacity.net From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Aug 6 20:14:46 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:14:46 +0200 Subject: sudo update - sudo safe-upgrade In-Reply-To: <200908061600.20331.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908061600.20331.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > Is it possible to update and safe-upgrade my computer while using my Live CD? > > Steven > I would think so. For this you will need to start the PC from the Live CD and then chroot to the hard disk partition where your system resides. Unfortunately, although it is easy to do, IMHO it is not trivial. See man chroot for more details. Kind regards Eberhard From tim at johnsons-web.com Thu Aug 6 20:22:13 2009 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:22:13 -0800 Subject: Audio is disabled In-Reply-To: <4A7B32F0.3030903@seainc.com> References: <20090806194149.GA26639@johnsons-web.com> <4A7B32F0.3030903@seainc.com> Message-ID: <20090806202213.GA499@johnsons-web.com> * James Tullos [090806 11:51]: > Tim Johnson wrote: > > No audio on speakers or on headphones. > > Looking at kmix, I see that all output is turned all the way up. > > I had a similar problem at one point. Check your mixer and make sure > all appropriate channels are showing and unmuted. My Master Front > channel was hidden and muted. Hi James: I checked that. the master channel is visible and not muted. Also checked to see if any other channels were hidden, but they are all visible. thanks -- Tim tim at johnsons-web.com http://www.akwebsoft.com From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 6 20:38:48 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:38:48 -0400 Subject: ** RESOLVED ** sudo update - sudo safe upgrade Message-ID: <200908061638.49415.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> From the command line, where the boot process stops, I entered sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude safe upgrade. It did not succeed, however I then entered sudo apt-get install kubuntu desktop. It fixed everything on restart. I have been with this problem for quite a while, and just when I enter proper posts to solve the problem, I got it solved. Thanks All. Sorry for wasting your read-the-email time. Steven From tim at johnsons-web.com Thu Aug 6 20:55:39 2009 From: tim at johnsons-web.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:55:39 -0800 Subject: Audio is disabled In-Reply-To: <20090806202213.GA499@johnsons-web.com> References: <20090806194149.GA26639@johnsons-web.com> <4A7B32F0.3030903@seainc.com> <20090806202213.GA499@johnsons-web.com> Message-ID: <20090806205539.GB499@johnsons-web.com> * Tim Johnson [090806 12:35]: > * James Tullos [090806 11:51]: > > Tim Johnson wrote: > > > No audio on speakers or on headphones. > > > Looking at kmix, I see that all output is turned all the way up. > > > > I had a similar problem at one point. Check your mixer and make sure > > all appropriate channels are showing and unmuted. My Master Front > > channel was hidden and muted. > Hi James: > I checked that. the master channel is visible and not muted. Also > checked to see if any other channels were hidden, but they are all > visible. > thanks Well I have it working again now. Rebooted (hey, that works for windows) and then had some nasty signals coming out. Then shut down all input settings in kmix. Got sound then. Then I reset the input channels to medium settings. If I have a complaint about kubuntu is that updates frequent overwrite settings (particularly in mailcap, which I rely on for MC) It would be nice if 1)Logs were written as to what config changes were made. 2)Backups were made of changed config files. thanks again for the "feedback" -- Tim tim at johnsons-web.com http://www.akwebsoft.com From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 6 20:52:48 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:52:48 -0400 Subject: sudo update - sudo safe-upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <200908061600.20331.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908061652.48386.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 06 August 2009 04:14:46 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > Is it possible to update and safe-upgrade my computer while using my Live > > CD? > > > > Steven > > I would think so. > For this you will need to start the PC from the Live CD and > then chroot to the hard disk partition where your system > resides. > Unfortunately, although it is easy to do, IMHO it is not > trivial. > > See man chroot for more details. > > Kind regards > Eberhard I hope your vacation was a great time. I just ran the command from the point where the system stops in the boot process. I ran update and safe-upgrade and it did not fix the problem, so I entered the command sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. When I restarted, the computer was fixed. No loss of configuration or third party applications. Everything was perfect again. I suppose I will never know what caused the problem, but the cure sure was slick. Glad to have you back. My love to the family. Steven From david at dmcentral.net Thu Aug 6 21:38:47 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:38:47 -0400 Subject: Local printers not supported In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0908061030h27f15b4bk461916dd0dc2590d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c2aabaf0908042206i48c103fdo213b97ca4ef2a7d9@mail.gmail.com> <9c2aabaf0908061030h27f15b4bk461916dd0dc2590d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908061738.47494.david@dmcentral.net> On Thursday 06 August 2009 01:30:37 pm Michael Hirsch wrote: > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > Michael Hirsch wrote: > >> I'm trying to help my Dad with a problem. He's using KDE 3.5.x and > >> his USB printer stopped working. He can see the printer with "lsusb" > >> so it would appear that USB works, but when he tries to add the > >> printer with the KDE Add Printer Wizard, the choice "Local printer > >> (parallel, serial, USB)" is deactivated. He can't press the radio > >> button to enable it. The other radio buttons are all active except > >> for "Serial Fax/Modem printer". > > > > What does "stopped working" mean? > > It used to work, and now it doesn't. > > > Why does he need to add an apparently existing printer? > > The printer is defined, but not functional. One approach I gave him > was to try to define it again. Also, he took the printer to my Mom's > computer which is also running Kubuntu and tried to install it there > with the same symptom. > > Strangely, when he tries to edit the currently defined printer, it is > defined to be a local printer, but the local printer field is greyed > out and not functional. > > > You might try with http://localhost:631 and see, whether you > > can reenable the printer and print a testpage from there. > > I'll see if I can talk him through that. It's tricky because he lives > far away, so this is all phone support. Why don 't you use KRDC (remote desktop) to help him? -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 22:20:51 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:20:51 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.3 Kmail missing content In-Reply-To: <200908061500.20231.debianrob@poncacity.net> References: <200908051653.50615.debianrob@poncacity.net> <200908060159.17145.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908061500.20231.debianrob@poncacity.net> Message-ID: <200908070020.51407.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday 06 August 2009 22:00:20 Rob Wright wrote: > Tried that on the off chance that it might help. I now have ... useless sound > system and a desktop UI that does half of what it used to. Oops. Sorry if I got you into a mess. > I completely regret ever upgrading this machine to Jaunty, and I mean that > in the most positive way possible. You can also mean it in the most angry way possible : I do. Jaunty has been a horror-show. This could be because I jumped to 64bit though. > What is the best way to downgrade to > Hardy or Intrepid? I'm assuming my best bet is to just start from scratch > with a fresh install? I just don't know. There are probably a few clever dpkg and aptitude commands, but I'd go for the knife and cut out all the bad stuff -- reinstall *if* you need that machine to work now. If not, then stick around for some other advice or a lucky break and wait for Karmik - that's pretty much my plan at the moment. Good luck, \d From mdhirsch at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 22:24:18 2009 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:24:18 -0600 Subject: Local printers not supported In-Reply-To: <200908061738.47494.david@dmcentral.net> References: <9c2aabaf0908042206i48c103fdo213b97ca4ef2a7d9@mail.gmail.com> <9c2aabaf0908061030h27f15b4bk461916dd0dc2590d@mail.gmail.com> <200908061738.47494.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0908061524j3271cfc9xe1f827daf6e76f19@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM, David McGlone wrote: > On Thursday 06 August 2009 01:30:37 pm Michael Hirsch wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Eberhard > Roloff wrote: >> > Michael Hirsch wrote: >> >> I'm trying to help my Dad with a problem.  He's using KDE > 3.5.x and >> >> his USB printer stopped working.  He can see the printer with > "lsusb" >> >> so it would appear that USB works, but when he tries to add > the >> >> printer with the KDE Add Printer Wizard, the choice "Local > printer >> >> (parallel, serial, USB)" is deactivated.  He can't press the > radio >> >> button to enable it.  The other radio buttons are all active > except >> >> for "Serial Fax/Modem printer". >> > >> > What does "stopped working" mean? >> >> It used to work, and now it doesn't. >> >> > Why does he need to add an apparently existing printer? >> >> The printer is defined, but not functional.  One approach I gave > him >> was to try to define it again.  Also, he took the printer to my > Mom's >> computer which is also running Kubuntu and tried to install it > there >> with the same symptom. >> >> Strangely, when he tries to edit the currently defined printer, it is >> defined to be a local printer, but the local printer field is greyed >> out and not functional. >> >> > You might try with http://localhost:631 and see, whether you >> > can reenable the printer and print a testpage from there. >> >> I'll see if I can talk him through that.  It's tricky because he lives >> far away, so this is all phone support. > > Why don 't you use KRDC (remote desktop) to help him? Good idea. I've done that on occasion. The tricky part is that he is behind a firewall owned by his DSL provider and doesn't know how to open port. I know how to open ports to me, so we can do some trickiness with ssh to get krdc talking, but it's non-trivial. It would be nicer if KRDC were more efficient. Wasn't there a plan to integrate NX into KRDC once upon a time? Michael From david at dmcentral.net Thu Aug 6 22:37:55 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:37:55 -0400 Subject: Local printers not supported In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0908061524j3271cfc9xe1f827daf6e76f19@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c2aabaf0908042206i48c103fdo213b97ca4ef2a7d9@mail.gmail.com> <200908061738.47494.david@dmcentral.net> <9c2aabaf0908061524j3271cfc9xe1f827daf6e76f19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908061837.55688.david@dmcentral.net> On Thursday 06 August 2009 06:24:18 pm Michael Hirsch wrote: > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM, David McGlone wrote: > > On Thursday 06 August 2009 01:30:37 pm Michael Hirsch wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Eberhard > > > > Roloff wrote: > >> > Michael Hirsch wrote: > >> >> I'm trying to help my Dad with a problem. He's using KDE > > > > 3.5.x and > > > >> >> his USB printer stopped working. He can see the printer with > > > > "lsusb" > > > >> >> so it would appear that USB works, but when he tries to add > > > > the > > > >> >> printer with the KDE Add Printer Wizard, the choice "Local > > > > printer > > > >> >> (parallel, serial, USB)" is deactivated. He can't press the > > > > radio > > > >> >> button to enable it. The other radio buttons are all active > > > > except > > > >> >> for "Serial Fax/Modem printer". > >> > > >> > What does "stopped working" mean? > >> > >> It used to work, and now it doesn't. > >> > >> > Why does he need to add an apparently existing printer? > >> > >> The printer is defined, but not functional. One approach I gave > > > > him > > > >> was to try to define it again. Also, he took the printer to my > > > > Mom's > > > >> computer which is also running Kubuntu and tried to install it > > > > there > > > >> with the same symptom. > >> > >> Strangely, when he tries to edit the currently defined printer, it is > >> defined to be a local printer, but the local printer field is greyed > >> out and not functional. > >> > >> > You might try with http://localhost:631 and see, whether you > >> > can reenable the printer and print a testpage from there. > >> > >> I'll see if I can talk him through that. It's tricky because he lives > >> far away, so this is all phone support. > > > > Why don 't you use KRDC (remote desktop) to help him? > > Good idea. I've done that on occasion. The tricky part is that he is > behind a firewall owned by his DSL provider and doesn't know how to > open port. He has to use KRFB to create an invitation and e-mail it to you. > I know how to open ports to me, so we can do some > trickiness with ssh to get krdc talking, but it's non-trivial. It > would be nicer if KRDC were more efficient. Wasn't there a plan to > integrate NX into KRDC once upon a time? I'm not sure. -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 6 19:15:06 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:15:06 -0300 Subject: Mobile broadband internet connection with Sierra Wireless Aircard References: <685870.30486.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200908061118.41871.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: Pastor JW wrote: > On Thursday 06 August 2009 7:26:51 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> samuel obirieze wrote: >> > I got a new Sierra Wireless Aircard 597E for my internet connection via >> > my express card slot in my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop.the stuff works on >> > my vista with ease but can't seem to work on my Kubuntu 9.04.i tried >> > everything from wvdial, pppconfig, network management widget and >> > knetwork manager.pls can any one help?Just give me the steps and I'll >> > figure it out. Thanks. Samuel. >> >> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sierra+Wireless+Aircard+597E+ubuntu > > Broken link, just goes to google. Precisely :-) -- derek From mdhirsch at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 23:37:04 2009 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:37:04 -0600 Subject: OT: converting files to mpeg4 In-Reply-To: <4A79959C.9080009@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4A79959C.9080009@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0908061637i3ad871dem46cbb0cd19969d8e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I know this is not a Kubuntu specific question but I have searched all over the web and the > DownloadHelper site: > Using Firefox and the DownloadHelper addon I am trying to convert some .flv fishing clips to > mpeg4 to play on a Artech Portable DVD Player (it states that it can play mpeg4 videos). After > trying several options in the DownloadHelper conversion menus I still cannot get the burnt CD to > play in the Artech Portable DVD Player. It shows the files but on trying to play them it gives an > error message about "Unsupported Format". > The problem is that there are too many options in the DownloadHelper menu :-( > > Can somebody give some idea how to get it to play? I thought it would be easy.... How come > something 'easy' is complicated? How about other codecs? I usually download to mpeg1 or mpeg2 which I imaging any DVD player can play (DVDs are in mpeg2 format). You could try those. Does your player play files that are just put on a CD, or does it need to be burnt as a DVD or V-CD format? From what you wrote it sounds like you just burned a data CD with the mpeg4 file. Are you sure that your player supports that? Can you play the files from your desktop before (and after) burning the CD? Michael From g.lip at gmx.com Fri Aug 7 01:34:15 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:34:15 +0800 Subject: I need help with this instruction. In-Reply-To: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > >> make a folder called say, Repo in your home. > Is a folder the same as a directory? Do I open the /home/steven directory to > create the 'folder' and name it Repo, or do I type 'mkdir Repo from the CLI? Yes, you can make directory Repo either at cli or at dolphin ~/home/steven. Yes, repeat again, should use word directory, not folder. > >> >> " burn a cd of all the items in Repo" > Is this a command line instruction? No, burn a data cd using K3b application; at K menu -->multimedia If it is, is the information I want > burned to the CD when this command is entered? Can I do this by removing the > Live CD and place the media and still be in the Live CD? I am not talking about using livecd. And no, you cannot remove livecd to put in a cd rom to burn, if you have a separate drive, you could though. But if you have a good working system, you can back up your apt archives for the possibility of reinstallation. Not using livecd. > > If I open the partition that contains the applications I want to preserve and > the configurations I want to retain, and if I attempt to open Dolphin in that > partition, can I open Dolphin, press F4, and have a proper shell to work from? Yes > > Perhaps if I had more than one DVDRW to work from I wouldn't be so confused, > however with only the one writer, I am not sure I can remove the Live CD to > make a CD and still have the operation capability with the Live CD removed. > If this is difficult to understand, it was equally difficult to form the words in > a way that cover my thoughts. Thanks! Resending below messages you may have missed. > Burn as data file, not iso or image. Do not include 'folder/Repo' > (correct word should be 'directory', sorry, not 'folder'), just all the > things in the directory 'Repo', make sure 'Package.gz' is there. > > AFTER you have reinstalled, at the NEW installation, (if it is at new or > different computer, then, yes, at new computer), type in > sudo apt-cdrom add > > It will ask/prompt you to name the cd-rom, name it say, 'Repo-Jaunty' as > you made it from Jaunty archives. Good to marker-pen cdrom same name. >>>> >>> These four commands exactly as written to get the result I need, or am I >>>> >>> expected to make adjustments based upon my knowledge of the task? For >>>> >>> instance, I changed the capital 'S' to a small 's', > > Yes > >>>>>> >>>>> burn a cd of all the items in Repo >>>> >>> Are there any special instructions in how I set up the burn procedure, ie. >>>> >>> something like making it executable, or anything, or do I just burn the folder >>>> >>> Repo? > > Burn as data file, not iso or image. Do not include 'folder/Repo' > (correct word should be 'directory', sorry, not 'folder'), just all the > things in the directory 'Repo', make sure 'Package.gz' is there. > > AFTER you have reinstalled, at the NEW installation, (if it is at new or > different computer, then, yes, at new computer), type in > sudo apt-cdrom add > > It will ask/prompt you to name the cd-rom, name it say, 'Repo-Jaunty' as > you made it from Jaunty archives. Good to marker-pen cdrom same name. From g.lip at gmx.com Fri Aug 7 01:56:12 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:56:12 +0800 Subject: ** RESOLVED ** sudo update - sudo safe upgrade In-Reply-To: <200908061638.49415.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908061638.49415.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > From the command line, where the boot process stops, I entered sudo aptitude > update and sudo aptitude safe upgrade. It did not succeed, however I then > entered sudo apt-get install kubuntu desktop. It fixed everything on restart. > > I have been with this problem for quite a while, and just when I enter proper > posts to solve the problem, I got it solved. Thanks All. Sorry for wasting > your read-the-email time. > > Steven > Good to hear this. In earlier message, and just in case you missed it, it is good to use sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude safe-upgrade so that packages with unmet dependencies will not be installed and making your system 'bonkers'(crazy). Using apt-get update and upgrade may cause problems especially with beta's like karmic or ppa like kde 4.3. Oh, btw kde 4.3 is out of beta now but not sure if jaunty still place this in ppa or regular repositories. Regards, Goh Lip From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 09:04:26 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:04:26 +0300 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages Message-ID: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> What are the debug packages for kbluetooth4 called? I tried searching with aptitude but found nothing obvious. I have a reproducable crash that I'd like to report. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From debianrob at poncacity.net Fri Aug 7 13:54:54 2009 From: debianrob at poncacity.net (Rob Wright) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:54:54 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.3 Kmail missing content In-Reply-To: <200908070020.51407.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908051653.50615.debianrob@poncacity.net> <200908061500.20231.debianrob@poncacity.net> <200908070020.51407.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908070854.54746.debianrob@poncacity.net> Donn, It wasn't your advice that got me into trouble, I was already deep in it anyway. I guess I am kind of angry, drug my feet before upgrading and now I'm kicking myself. I'm am going for the complete re-do. This is my computer that I work on at the office 8 hours a day and if it's not right I'm not productive. Reinstalling from scratch might take me 45 minutes, maybe an hour. Slow Friday so.... Thanks, Rob Wright debianrob at poncacity.net On Thursday 06 August 2009 22:00:20 Rob Wright wrote: > Tried that on the off chance that it might help. I now have ... useless sound > system and a desktop UI that does half of what it used to. Oops. Sorry if I got you into a mess. > I completely regret ever upgrading this machine to Jaunty, and I mean that > in the most positive way possible. You can also mean it in the most angry way possible : I do. Jaunty has been a horror-show. This could be because I jumped to 64bit though. > What is the best way to downgrade to > Hardy or Intrepid? I'm assuming my best bet is to just start from scratch > with a fresh install? I just don't know. There are probably a few clever dpkg and aptitude commands, but I'd go for the knife and cut out all the bad stuff -- reinstall if you need that machine to work now. If not, then stick around for some other advice or a lucky break and wait for Karmik - that's pretty much my plan at the moment. Good luck, \d From jonas at chown.dk Fri Aug 7 14:41:45 2009 From: jonas at chown.dk (Jonas Pedersen) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:41:45 +0200 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages In-Reply-To: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dotan Cohen wrote: > What are the debug packages for kbluetooth4 called? I tried searching > with aptitude but found nothing obvious. I have a reproducable crash > that I'd like to report. Have you looked at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash? There is a guide to add repositories with debug symbols. After that it should be easy to find the package that contains the debug symbols. jonas at asterix:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/kbluetooth4 kdebluetooth: /usr/bin/kbluetooth4 jonas at asterix:~$ sudo apt-cache search kdebluetooth kdebluetooth - KDE Bluetooth Framework kdebluetooth-dbgsym - debug symbols for package kdebluetooth happy bug submitting :-) - -- Jonas Pedersen - jonas - at - jope.eu / http://jope.eu Online picture gallery at http://pictureshow.dk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkp8PSkACgkQp8ze5q5EBA/2qQCeOswsXyPZgA3zrNUNSjZltqzg kQsAn2J1XbKKa+FutKpEWg05YkewWn4c =qbrd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 15:01:06 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:01:06 +0300 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages In-Reply-To: <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> References: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> Message-ID: <880dece00908070801u7b68b529h56a347d9ddcd308@mail.gmail.com> > Have you looked at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash? > There is a guide to add repositories with debug symbols. > I haven't read that particular page, but I am familiar with the methods described there now that you've posted it. > After that it should be easy to find the package that contains the debug > symbols. > > jonas at asterix:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/kbluetooth4 > kdebluetooth: /usr/bin/kbluetooth4 > jonas at asterix:~$ sudo apt-cache search kdebluetooth > kdebluetooth - KDE Bluetooth Framework > kdebluetooth-dbgsym - debug symbols for package kdebluetooth > Now that's interesting: jaunty2 at laptop:~$ sudo apt-cache search kdebluetooth [sudo] password for jaunty2: kdebluetooth - KDE Bluetooth Framework jaunty2 at laptop:~$ This might be because I have KDE 4.3 installed from the > happy bug submitting  :-) > > > - -- > Jonas Pedersen - jonas - at - jope.eu / http://jope.eu > Online picture gallery at http://pictureshow.dk > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkp8PSkACgkQp8ze5q5EBA/2qQCeOswsXyPZgA3zrNUNSjZltqzg > kQsAn2J1XbKKa+FutKpEWg05YkewWn4c > =qbrd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From tuxebi at gmx.de Fri Aug 7 15:30:38 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:30:38 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.3 Kmail missing content In-Reply-To: <200908070854.54746.debianrob@poncacity.net> References: <200908051653.50615.debianrob@poncacity.net> <200908061500.20231.debianrob@poncacity.net> <200908070020.51407.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908070854.54746.debianrob@poncacity.net> Message-ID: Rob Wright wrote: > Donn, > > It wasn't your advice that got me into trouble, I was already deep in it > anyway. I guess I am kind of angry, drug my feet before upgrading and now I'm > kicking myself. > > I'm am going for the complete re-do. This is my computer that I work on at the > office 8 hours a day and if it's not right I'm not productive. Reinstalling from > scratch might take me 45 minutes, maybe an hour. Slow Friday so.... > Actually since the KDE 4.x Desaster, where any upgrade needs work, just to work halfway correctly, I got the habit to have xfce ready anytime. And when I need to do job related work while kde decides to not work at all (yesterday after the last upgrade, for example, desaster struck, once again), XFCE comes to the rescue. Surely this means that my mailclient is not kmail, but for me, thunderbird does a pretty good job. Kind regards Eberhard From pwhite at bluewin.ch Fri Aug 7 16:44:30 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:44:30 +0200 Subject: Jaunty, Java and map24 Message-ID: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Hi, Now my working system is Hardy...and I will not migrate, at least not until I can get thigs straight on Jaunty (or try Karmic) On Hardy I succeded (don't ask me how) to get both konqueror and firefox3.0 displaying that I have the latest java installed (to be honest they made a java6 revision 15 some days ago, so it's not true anymore). They also both can display "Map24" (for me in a separate window. On Jaunty I installed firefox3.0 and 3.5, and many attemps with java from the repos or downloaded as self extracting. I have the bin, jre and plugins. I belive I tried everything, make the symbolic links, allow popup windows, make one or the other viewer the one by default in java ControlPanel, make sure 'java -version' was the one intended... Error messages were confusing, 'applet not initialised', or pointing to java errors (but it works in Hardy), or to libraries not found (where does it expect them? or how to add a library parth?) With Konqueror, always finds java but map24 blocks on '...receiving 17.6 Ko from www.ch.map24.com...' Firefox3.0 also finds java but map24 blocks on '...wait for applet to be loaded' unless it is made the default viewer, then it displays map24, but not on separate window. Firefox3.5 could never see java and map24 displays, but not on separate window. Someone already tried it ans succeded? Any pointer? Thanks for helping. Perry -- BOFH excuse #173: Recursive traversal of loopback mount points From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Aug 7 17:07:05 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:07:05 -0400 Subject: Jaunty, Java and map24 In-Reply-To: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908071307.05533.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 07 August 2009, Perry wrote: > Firefox3.5 could never see java and map24 displays, but not on separate > window. Map24 works fine here on FF 3.5 and Jaunty. I don't recall having to do anything out of the ordinary to install Java... it just worked. (which I know doesn't help you one bit) Is there something I can look at and tell you the information to compare installs? From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Aug 7 17:09:15 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:09:15 -0400 Subject: Jaunty, Java and map24 In-Reply-To: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908071309.15932.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 07 August 2009, Perry wrote: > Firefox3.5 could never see java and map24 displays, but not on separate > window. Here's the about:plugins information from my FF 3.5.1 Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_14 File name: libnpjp2.so The next generation Java plug-in for Mozilla browsers. MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/x-java-vm Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet Java™ Plug-in Applet Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.3 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.4 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.5 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.6 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.6.0_14 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean Java™ Plug-in JavaBeans Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.3 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.4 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.5 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.6 Java™ Plug-in Yes application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.6.0_14 Java™ Plug-in From mdhirsch at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 17:39:31 2009 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:39:31 -0600 Subject: Local printers not supported In-Reply-To: <200908061837.55688.david@dmcentral.net> References: <9c2aabaf0908042206i48c103fdo213b97ca4ef2a7d9@mail.gmail.com> <200908061738.47494.david@dmcentral.net> <9c2aabaf0908061524j3271cfc9xe1f827daf6e76f19@mail.gmail.com> <200908061837.55688.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0908071039y576f1716m1e719fdab1154bbc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:37 PM, David McGlone wrote: > On Thursday 06 August 2009 06:24:18 pm Michael Hirsch wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM, David > McGlone wrote: >> > On Thursday 06 August 2009 01:30:37 pm Michael Hirsch > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Eberhard >> > >> > Roloff wrote: >> >> > Michael Hirsch wrote: >> >> >> I'm trying to help my Dad with a problem.  He's using KDE >> > >> > 3.5.x and >> > >> >> >> his USB printer stopped working.  He can see the printer > with >> > >> > "lsusb" >> > >> >> >> so it would appear that USB works, but when he tries to > add >> > >> > the >> > >> >> >> printer with the KDE Add Printer Wizard, the choice "Local >> > >> > printer >> > >> >> >> (parallel, serial, USB)" is deactivated.  He can't press the >> > >> > radio >> > >> >> >> button to enable it.  The other radio buttons are all active >> > >> > except >> > >> >> >> for "Serial Fax/Modem printer". >> >> > >> >> > What does "stopped working" mean? >> >> >> >> It used to work, and now it doesn't. >> >> >> >> > Why does he need to add an apparently existing printer? >> >> >> >> The printer is defined, but not functional.  One approach I > gave >> > >> > him >> > >> >> was to try to define it again.  Also, he took the printer to my >> > >> > Mom's >> > >> >> computer which is also running Kubuntu and tried to install it >> > >> > there >> > >> >> with the same symptom. >> >> >> >> Strangely, when he tries to edit the currently defined printer, > it is >> >> defined to be a local printer, but the local printer field is > greyed >> >> out and not functional. >> >> >> >> > You might try with http://localhost:631 and see, whether > you >> >> > can reenable the printer and print a testpage from there. >> >> >> >> I'll see if I can talk him through that.  It's tricky because he > lives >> >> far away, so this is all phone support. >> > >> > Why don 't you use KRDC (remote desktop) to help him? >> >> Good idea.  I've done that on occasion.  The tricky part is that he > is >> behind a firewall owned by his DSL provider and doesn't know > how to >> open port. > > He has to use KRFB to create an invitation and e-mail it to you. Yes, but that doesn't help if there is no route to his machine. We still need to open up ports. Michael From jonas at chown.dk Fri Aug 7 20:20:23 2009 From: jonas at chown.dk (Jonas Pedersen) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:20:23 +0200 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages In-Reply-To: <880dece00908070801u7b68b529h56a347d9ddcd308@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> <880dece00908070801u7b68b529h56a347d9ddcd308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A7C8C87.2070500@chown.dk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Have you looked at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash? >> There is a guide to add repositories with debug symbols. >> > > I haven't read that particular page, but I am familiar with the > methods described there now that you've posted it. > > >> After that it should be easy to find the package that contains the debug >> symbols. >> >> jonas at asterix:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/kbluetooth4 >> kdebluetooth: /usr/bin/kbluetooth4 >> jonas at asterix:~$ sudo apt-cache search kdebluetooth >> kdebluetooth - KDE Bluetooth Framework >> kdebluetooth-dbgsym - debug symbols for package kdebluetooth >> > > Now that's interesting: > > jaunty2 at laptop:~$ sudo apt-cache search kdebluetooth > [sudo] password for jaunty2: > kdebluetooth - KDE Bluetooth Framework > jaunty2 at laptop:~$ > > This might be because I have KDE 4.3 installed from the Did you remember to do an apt-get update after you added above repositories? I am running KDE 4.3 as well and I have the debug symbols for that package. - -- Jonas Pedersen - jonas - at - jope.eu / http://jope.eu Online picture gallery at http://pictureshow.dk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkp8jIEACgkQp8ze5q5EBA8XAwCeMGpen/tlDFuA7wC5tdZ/v9Vx E24AnjVcALM20WcdKOzK2+cY+gcCQazT =dhMY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mdhirsch at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 20:54:44 2009 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:54:44 -0600 Subject: KDE 4.3 Kmail missing content In-Reply-To: <200908061500.20231.debianrob@poncacity.net> References: <200908051653.50615.debianrob@poncacity.net> <200908060159.17145.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908061500.20231.debianrob@poncacity.net> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0908071354q209cff6bl2da40bfd2c689990@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Rob Wright wrote: > I can't even reply to a message properly, cut 'n paste for the LOSE. > > On August 6, 2009 donn.ingle at gmail.com wrote: >>I had weird problems too, not your one, but others. My solution was to do: >>sudo aptitude dist-upgrade >>...twice... > >>Not sure what that does zigactly; I have a funny feeling I may be in some >>quantum state between Jaunty and Karmic (which is really very Zen) but KDE4.3 >>is certainly feeling more solid that 4.2.x > > > Tried that on the off chance that it might help. I now have to use cut 'n paste > to reply or forward email messages (a critical part of my job), I've got the > most useless sound system and a desktop UI that does half of what it used to. > > I completely regret ever upgrading this machine to Jaunty, and I mean that in > the most positive way possible. What is the best way to downgrade to Hardy or > Intrepid? I'm assuming my best bet is to just start from scratch with a fresh > install? I recommend that you try installing the KDE 3.5 packages in Jaunty. They work quite well for me. I have them installed. I'm testing 4.3, but will probably go back to 3.5 if I can't find a way around the problems. I've had good success with it on many different comp http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/ has the instructions. I recommend it. Michael From pwhite at bluewin.ch Fri Aug 7 23:47:26 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 01:47:26 +0200 Subject: Jaunty, Java and map24 In-Reply-To: <200908071309.15932.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908071309.15932.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200908080147.26614.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Friday 07 August 2009 19:09:15 Bruce Marshall, vous avez écrit : > Map24 works fine here on FF 3.5 and Jaunty. I don't recall having to do > anything out of the ordinary to install Java... it just worked. Thanks Bruce. Strange, on fresh install of Jaunty I only did the updates and installed FF and Java because that was the problem I was trying to solve. (I had to change /etc/X11/xorg.conf to get a decent screen resolution but I doubt this could interfere) > On Friday 07 August 2009, Perry wrote: > > Firefox3.5 could never see java and map24 displays, but not on separate > > window. > > Here's the about:plugins information from my FF 3.5.1 > > > > Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_14 I'll have to reboot to Jaunty and study this there. On Hardy'side, FF3.0 mentions the above plugin, but none of the listing below. How did you get it? > > File name: libnpjp2.so > The next generation Java plug-in for Mozilla browsers. > > MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled > application/x-java-vm Java™ Plug-in Yes > application/x-java-applet Java™ Plug-in Applet Yes > application/x-java-applet;version=1.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes > application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes [snip] > application/x-java-applet;version=1.6 Java™ Plug-in Yes > application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.6.0_14 Java™ Plug-in Yes > application/x-java-bean Java™ Plug-in JavaBeans Yes > application/x-java-bean;version=1.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes > application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1 Java™ Plug-in Yes [snip] > application/x-java-bean;version=1.6 Java™ Plug-in Yes > application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.6.0_14 Java™ Plug-in I have libnpjp2.so; but nothing called x-java-vm, x-java-applet or x-java-bean on this side of the computer. It appears you have a long history of java, how did you install, "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin", installer program, binaries? And what about FF's installation? Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #54: Evil dogs hypnotised the night shift From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Aug 8 00:26:31 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:26:31 -0400 Subject: Jaunty, Java and map24 In-Reply-To: <200908080147.26614.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908071309.15932.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200908080147.26614.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908072026.31415.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 07 August 2009, Perry wrote: > I'll have to reboot to Jaunty and study this there. > On Hardy'side, FF3.0 mentions the above plugin, but none of the listing > below. How did you get it? Go up to the URL line in FF and enter: about:plugins (note the colon) there is also about:config but you don't need that right now. In looking at synaptics, I have installed: sun-java6-bin sun -java6-jre sun-java6-plugin java-common libclucene0ldbl ?? gdb brltty kubuntu-restricted-extras xubuntu-restricted-extras ubuntu-restricted-extras I think some of the last are just pulled in anyway. I told synaptics to list 'java'. As for FF itself, I do believe I am running a version downloaded from the mozilla.org site. Shouldn't be a problem, but could be. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Aug 8 00:38:45 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:38:45 -0400 Subject: Jaunty, Java and map24 In-Reply-To: <200908080147.26614.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908071309.15932.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200908080147.26614.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908072038.45447.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 07 August 2009, Perry wrote: > It appears you have a long history of java, how did you install, > "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin", > installer program, binaries? > And what about FF's installation? I just installed FF 3.5.2 from the normal repositories... Didn't do anything else. And map24 still works fine. From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Sat Aug 8 03:14:15 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:14:15 -0500 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File Message-ID: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Greetings -- This message was previously posted to kdepim-users at kde.org. In the absence of any reply just yet, I am posting to two also-applicable lists, namely kde-linux and kubuntu-users. I was on Kubuntu Jaunty, and editing an HTML file, using Kate.  A friend telephoned me with a question that required me to use VirtualBox --> Windows XP Pro --> Libronix (a Bible study application system).  I saved my work in Kate (as I frequently do anyway!) before I went to VirtualBox.  I needed to consult with another friend, and so left my computer for ten minutes or so. When I returned, my monitor was dark.  Usually this simply means that the screen-saver is working.  However, I was entirely unable to recover the display!  Although we have been having "electrical storms" in the past few days, there was no such problem in the area, and no other evidence of a power outage anywhere in the house.  In a few moments, seeing few alternatives, I powered the entire computer down brutally, and then rebooted.  When I opened the file that I had been editing in Kate, several VERY extensive pages of physical printed matter (that I had previously entered -- and then saved, incrementally, several times) were no longer to be seen -- either via Konquorer or via Kate!!!   Can anyone give me detailed directions for recovering a more-complete version of my HTML file under these peculiar circumstances? ===== Slightly off-topic for this list is another issue that someone might be able and willing to clarify for me.  Whenever I shut-down Jaunty ("gracefully"!), I am given a 30-second warning.  I usually click on it.  Then a message is displayed to the effect that KMail needs the password for KWallet.  If this were when I am starting-up, this would be expected -- but it happens during SHUT-DOWN!!!  One person suggested that I delete KWallet, and I like the idea of doing so.  But I do not yet see HOW to do so.  Can someone instruct me in this rather basic task? THANK YOU for your time with this message -- and for any insights you can offer!!!!! -- 布鲁斯 麦克阿瑟 Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 03:41:37 2009 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:41:37 -0500 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File In-Reply-To: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <200908072241.37763.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Friday 07 August 2009 10:14:15 pm Bruce MacArthur wrote: > Greetings -- > > This message was previously posted to kdepim-users at kde.org. In the > absence of any reply just yet, I am posting to two also-applicable > lists, namely kde-linux and kubuntu-users. > > > I was on Kubuntu Jaunty, and editing an HTML file, using Kate. A friend > telephoned me with a question that required me to use VirtualBox --> > Windows XP Pro --> Libronix (a Bible study application system). I > saved my work in Kate (as I frequently do anyway!) before I went to > VirtualBox. I needed to consult with another friend, and so left my > computer for ten minutes or so. > > When I returned, my monitor was dark. Usually this simply means that > the screen-saver is working. However, I was entirely unable to recover > the display! Although we have been having "electrical storms" in the > past few days, there was no such problem in the area, and no other > evidence of a power outage anywhere in the house. In a few moments, > seeing few alternatives, I powered the entire computer down brutally, > and then rebooted. When I opened the file that I had been editing in > Kate, several VERY extensive pages of physical printed matter (that I > had previously entered -- and then saved, incrementally, several times) > were no longer to be seen -- either via Konquorer or via Kate!!! > > Can anyone give me detailed directions for recovering a more-complete > version of my HTML file under these peculiar circumstances? Look for a file in the same directory as the file you were editing, that has a ~ at the end. I know kwrite saves a copy as .bak, but some times they do the ~ at the end as a working copy. You may be able to recover that. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Sat Aug 8 04:30:12 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:30:12 -0500 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File In-Reply-To: <200908072241.37763.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908072241.37763.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908072330.12433.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Friday 07 August 2009 22:41, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Friday 07 August 2009 10:14:15 pm Bruce MacArthur wrote: > > Greetings -- > > > > This message was previously posted to kdepim-users at kde.org. In the > > absence of any reply just yet, I am posting to two also-applicable > > lists, namely kde-linux and kubuntu-users. > > > > > > I was on Kubuntu Jaunty, and editing an HTML file, using Kate. A > > friend telephoned me with a question that required me to use > > VirtualBox --> Windows XP Pro --> Libronix (a Bible study > > application system). I saved my work in Kate (as I frequently do > > anyway!) before I went to VirtualBox. I needed to consult with > > another friend, and so left my computer for ten minutes or so. > > > > When I returned, my monitor was dark. Usually this simply means > > that the screen-saver is working. However, I was entirely unable > > to recover the display! Although we have been having "electrical > > storms" in the past few days, there was no such problem in the > > area, and no other evidence of a power outage anywhere in the > > house. In a few moments, seeing few alternatives, I powered the > > entire computer down brutally, and then rebooted. When I opened > > the file that I had been editing in Kate, several VERY extensive > > pages of physical printed matter (that I had previously entered -- > > and then saved, incrementally, several times) were no longer to be > > seen -- either via Konquorer or via Kate!!! > > > > Can anyone give me detailed directions for recovering a > > more-complete version of my HTML file under these peculiar > > circumstances? > > Look for a file in the same directory as the file you were editing, > that has a ~ at the end. I know kwrite saves a copy as .bak, but > some times they do the ~ at the end as a working copy. You may be > able to recover that. > > -- > See Ya' > Howard Coles Jr. > John 3:16! Hello, Howard -- Along the lines you mention, I see filenames such as -- 20070605KP.htm 20070605KP.htm~.htm Yes, that kind of a "backup" exists for the file I mention. Sadly, while the backup exists, it IS older even than the plain".htm" -- and this ".htm" is the one showing data loss!!! The backup ".htm~.htm" has even greater data loss. I failed to state this in my original message because --I-- know about the backup feature (silly me for not stating it!), so I state it now. THANK YOU for ensuring that my ignorance is not the problem here!!! -- 布鲁斯 麦克阿瑟 Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From EHSPayne at angelwoodpines.org Sat Aug 8 04:41:39 2009 From: EHSPayne at angelwoodpines.org (Emil Payne) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:41:39 -0500 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File In-Reply-To: <200908072241.37763.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908072241.37763.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A7D0203.9030306@angelwoodpines.org> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Friday 07 August 2009 10:14:15 pm Bruce MacArthur wrote: >> Greetings -- >> >> This message was previously posted to kdepim-users at kde.org. In the >> absence of any reply just yet, I am posting to two also-applicable >> lists, namely kde-linux and kubuntu-users. >> >> >> I was on Kubuntu Jaunty, and editing an HTML file, using Kate. A friend >> telephoned me with a question that required me to use VirtualBox --> >> Windows XP Pro --> Libronix (a Bible study application system). I >> saved my work in Kate (as I frequently do anyway!) before I went to >> VirtualBox. I needed to consult with another friend, and so left my >> computer for ten minutes or so. >> >> When I returned, my monitor was dark. Usually this simply means that >> the screen-saver is working. However, I was entirely unable to recover >> the display! Although we have been having "electrical storms" in the >> past few days, there was no such problem in the area, and no other >> evidence of a power outage anywhere in the house. In a few moments, >> seeing few alternatives, I powered the entire computer down brutally, >> and then rebooted. When I opened the file that I had been editing in >> Kate, several VERY extensive pages of physical printed matter (that I >> had previously entered -- and then saved, incrementally, several times) >> were no longer to be seen -- either via Konquorer or via Kate!!! >> >> Can anyone give me detailed directions for recovering a more-complete >> version of my HTML file under these peculiar circumstances? > > Look for a file in the same directory as the file you were editing, that has a ~ > at the end. I know kwrite saves a copy as .bak, but some times they do the ~ > at the end as a working copy. You may be able to recover that. > Also make sure you have hidden files turned on, because usually name.ext~ files are hidden. From calcmandan at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 06:26:52 2009 From: calcmandan at gmail.com (Daniel Lausevic) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Possible upgrade. 8.04alt to gutsy Message-ID: <13401362.160156.1249712812144.JavaMail.txtblapp@ip-10-250-131-129.ec2.internal> Kde3.5 fan here. Planning a cpu upgrade on my box and considering a jump to kde4.3. I've read that v4 has improved, so I am openminded. There are a few things I wish to clear up first. Specifically, konqueror web shortcuts. Is it still possible to do an apt search with konq? I currently use that function on nearly a daily basis with 3.5 and would to lose it in 4.3. Thanks. Daniel Sent from my Peek... From mcguiresmain at emypeople.com Sat Aug 8 19:05:18 2009 From: mcguiresmain at emypeople.com (Edwin McGuire) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:05:18 -0600 Subject: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 References: <007801ca14ab$d1344fb0$32b4e404@Dell> <4A77C784.3030109@lemmons.name><4A782E4E.3030205@swbell.net> <4A78877C.1040107@lemmons.name> <006a01ca163f$c44d2020$bfb4e404@Dell><402607.30396.qm@web111609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A7AE5F2.1080102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <037901ca185b$3e3f3220$7ab4e404@Dell> Yes, Desktop,LOL thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Smith To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 Mike Lakomy wrote: hi! Kubuntu doesnt ship with games because there isnt enough room on the CD (Xubuntu/Ubuntu can because GNOME/XFCE are much smaller) you can get a bunch of linux games on a cd from Microcenter in Ohio, dont know if they carry that were you live but you can order them by internet (which on second thought brings us back where we started :) ) (URL for microcenter: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0221647 ) do you know anyone who uses linux? they might download some game binaries and put them on a CD/USB drive for you. a Local Linux Group might be a good place to start or even you Ubuntu LoCo team (local groups URL: http://www.linux.org/groups/ ) (Ubuntu LoCo teams URL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList ) good luck! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edwin McGuire To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:42:03 PM Subject: Re: No games in Kubuntu 9.04 I realize most people have World Wide Web access, I believe there's a difference between Web and Internet access though (you can have Internet without the Web,i.e. E-Mail account only as in my case, Emypeople.com). I usually go to our local library for Web access, I tried to be specific in my question, I wish I could explain it better sorry. : ) I'm sorry I haven't been watching the whole message thread, but this pc you're using is it a desktop or a laptop? If it's a laptop you can alway take it somewhere where you can get internet access, such as a coffee shop, truck stop, whatever... You can go to www.jiwire.com and they have a WiFi database there that you can search and find WiFi hotspots in your area. I live in Montgomery AL and I went there and it listed 43 WiFi hotspots that were within 10 miles of my zip code. Some were free and some you had to pay for access. The pay sites usually aren't that expensive, I know at truck stops it's generally around $5.00 for 24 hours of access. Though if it's a desktop pc you have Kubuntu on, then I guess I just wasted your and my time... ;-) -- Roy Smith Yahoo - rasmith1959 Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope ICQ - 265622 Registered Linux User #488144 MSN - rasmith1959 at live.com Registered Ubuntu User #26841 AIM - rasmith1959 at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sat Aug 8 08:17:28 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:17:28 +0200 Subject: Jaunty, Java and map24 In-Reply-To: <200908072038.45447.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908080147.26614.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908072038.45447.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200908081017.28076.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Saturday 08 August 2009 02:38:45 Bruce Marshall, vous avez écrit : > I just installed FF 3.5.2  from the normal repositories...   Didn't do > anything else.  And map24 still works fine. Since in previous mails you quoted just that point, > > Firefox3.5 could never see java and map24 displays, *but not on separate > > window.* I take it for granted you have on top of the map in main window the "double square icon" next to the "monkey wrench icon". I will try to experiment somewhat more. Thanks for all, and take care of your data loss problem. Perry -- BOFH excuse #345: Having to manually track the satellite From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sat Aug 8 08:08:43 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:08:43 +0200 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File In-Reply-To: <4A7D0203.9030306@angelwoodpines.org> References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908072241.37763.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4A7D0203.9030306@angelwoodpines.org> Message-ID: <200908081008.43684.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Saturday 08 August 2009 06:41:39 Emil Payne, vous avez écrit : > > Look for a file in the same directory as the file you were editing, that > > has a ~ at the end.  I know kwrite saves a copy as .bak, but some times > > they do the ~ at the end as a working copy.  You may be able to recover > > that. > > Also make sure you have hidden files turned on, because usually > name.ext~ files are hidden. The *most important thing* about data loss has not been stated in this thread. I hope it is only because it seemed too obvious to be worth mentionning. But just in case: ***do not use this drive***, or at least the partition involved, boot from a live cd, mount your partition read only. You will then need another medium to work from, if you had installed two Linux versions/distros on different partitions that's great. If that seems too big a price ($ or time) you may shun this advice, but any write operation to this partition increases the likelyhood your data gets overwritten. I'm sorry I can not help more, last time I did a rescue was on an Amiga floppy, using a track-sector editor. Some (easy to find) links https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/04/09/recover-deleted-files-with-foremost/ http://freshmeat.net/projects/unrm/?topic_id=866 Good luck Perry -- BOFH excuse #157: Incorrect time synchronization From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 8 15:03:50 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:03:50 -0400 Subject: I need help with this instruction. In-Reply-To: References: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908081103.51091.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:34:15 pm Goh Lip wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> make a folder called say, Repo in your home. Trim Dear Goh Lip, I just opened the email you wrote the other day referring to the making of the Directory Repo. After following the instructions that followed, when I hit enter the last time, I got pages and pages of data rolling down the screen. It has been going on continuously for several minutes now, and is still doing the work as I write. Is this what is supposed to happen, or did I do something wrong? There is so much data moving, it looks like data in a loup. I opened the Repo directory and see that there are many entries, but I don't know if what I am seeing on the shell is a scan taking place in a loup, repeating over and over, or just more data moving to where it belongs. If I have properly completed the task of loading the information into the Repo Directory, I suppose I should copy Repo to CD, but if Repo is still being filled I must wait. What do I do? continue until the shell stops, or is it in a loup that will not end? Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 8 15:21:36 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:21:36 -0400 Subject: I need help with this instruction. In-Reply-To: References: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908081121.36851.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim > > Burn as data file, not iso or image. Do not include 'folder/Repo' > > (correct word should be 'directory', sorry, not 'folder'), just all the > > things in the directory 'Repo', make sure 'Package.gz' is there. Trim When I open Dolphin, I cannot find Package.gz in Repo. There are apparently 635 Files (634.l0 MiB), does that seem right? The reason I asked if a loop was running is because as fast as it goes by, I still see a glimpse the word loop repeated and the word .wine repeated. And yes it is still running as in a loop. Steven From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Aug 8 15:24:33 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:24:33 +0800 Subject: I need help with this instruction. In-Reply-To: <200908081103.51091.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908081103.51091.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:34:15 pm Goh Lip wrote: >> Steven Vollom wrote: >>>> make a folder called say, Repo in your home. > Trim > > Dear Goh Lip, > > I just opened the email you wrote the other day referring to the making of the > Directory Repo. After following the instructions that followed, when I hit > enter the last time, I got pages and pages of data rolling down the screen. > It has been going on continuously for several minutes now, and is still doing > the work as I write. Is this what is supposed to happen, or did I do > something wrong? There is so much data moving, it looks like data in a loup. > I opened the Repo directory and see that there are many entries, but I don't > know if what I am seeing on the shell is a scan taking place in a loup, > repeating over and over, or just more data moving to where it belongs. > > If I have properly completed the task of loading the information into the Repo > Directory, I suppose I should copy Repo to CD, but if Repo is still being > filled I must wait. What do I do? continue until the shell stops, or is it in > a loup that will not end? > > Steven > Was this the command? sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/steven/Repo In that case you have lots of downloaded stuff. Have you done this first? sudo apt-get autoclean? You probably will need to burn a dvd. (data) gl From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Aug 8 15:30:19 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:30:19 +0800 Subject: I need help with this instruction. In-Reply-To: <200908081121.36851.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908081121.36851.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > Trim >>> Burn as data file, not iso or image. Do not include 'folder/Repo' >>> (correct word should be 'directory', sorry, not 'folder'), just all the >>> things in the directory 'Repo', make sure 'Package.gz' is there. > Trim > When I open Dolphin, I cannot find Package.gz in Repo. There are apparently > 635 Files (634.l0 MiB), does that seem right? > > The reason I asked if a loop was running is because as fast as it goes by, I > still see a glimpse the word loop repeated and the word .wine repeated. And > yes it is still running as in a loop. > > Steven > That size may be correct, in your case. But the Package.gz must be there after you do the dpkg-scanpackages stuff. It will take much much longer than the cp var stuff. gl From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 8 17:46:17 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:46:17 -0300 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <98q0l6-ca4.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Bruce MacArthur wrote: > Greetings -- > > This message was previously posted to kdepim-users at kde.org. In the > absence of any reply just yet, I am posting to two also-applicable > lists, namely kde-linux and kubuntu-users. > > > I was on Kubuntu Jaunty, and editing an HTML file, using Kate. It's not surprising that it got no results from kdepim-users - kate has nothing to do with kdepim (that is, the "kontact" suite, and related apps). > When I returned, my monitor was dark. Usually this simply means that > the screen-saver is working. However, I was entirely unable to recover > the display! Although we have been having "electrical storms" in the > past few days, there was no such problem in the area, and no other > evidence of a power outage anywhere in the house. In a few moments, > seeing few alternatives, I powered the entire computer down brutally, > and then rebooted. When I opened the file that I had been editing in > Kate, several VERY extensive pages of physical printed matter (that I > had previously entered -- and then saved, incrementally, several times) > were no longer to be seen -- either via Konquorer or via Kate!!! Open the file you saved... -- derek From calcmandan at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 18:42:08 2009 From: calcmandan at gmail.com (Daniel Lausevic) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Possible upgrade. 8.04alt to gutsy Message-ID: <11529982.165023.1249756928585.JavaMail.txtblapp@ip-10-250-131-129.ec2.internal> Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 02:26:52 am Daniel Lausevic wrote: > Kde3.5 fan here. Planning a cpu upgrade on my box and considering a jump to > kde4.3. I've read that v4 has improved, so I am openminded. There are a > few things I wish to clear up first. S ------------------------------------- Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 02:26:52 am Daniel Lausevic wrote: > Kde3.5 fan here. Planning a cpu upgrade on my box and considering a jump to > kde4.3. I've read that v4 has improved, so I am openminded. There are a > few things I wish to clear up first. Specifically, konqueror web shortcuts. > Is it still possible to do an apt search with konq? I currently use that > function on nearly a daily basis with 3.5 and would to lose it in 4.3. > > Thanks. > > Daniel > > Sent from my Peek... How do you do an apt search in konqueror? I'll test it out for you. I have kde 4.3 on both Jaunty and Karmic Alpha 3. Alan From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Sat Aug 8 20:47:21 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:47:21 -0500 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File In-Reply-To: <4A7D0203.9030306@angelwoodpines.org> References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908072241.37763.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <4A7D0203.9030306@angelwoodpines.org> Message-ID: <200908081547.21389.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Friday 07 August 2009 23:41, Emil Payne wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Friday 07 August 2009 10:14:15 pm Bruce MacArthur wrote: > >> Greetings -- > >> > >> This message was previously posted to kdepim-users at kde.org. In > >> the absence of any reply just yet, I am posting to two > >> also-applicable lists, namely kde-linux and kubuntu-users. > >> > >> > >> I was on Kubuntu Jaunty, and editing an HTML file, using Kate. A > >> friend telephoned me with a question that required me to use > >> VirtualBox --> Windows XP Pro --> Libronix (a Bible study > >> application system). I saved my work in Kate (as I frequently do > >> anyway!) before I went to VirtualBox. I needed to consult with > >> another friend, and so left my computer for ten minutes or so. > >> > >> When I returned, my monitor was dark. Usually this simply means > >> that the screen-saver is working. However, I was entirely unable > >> to recover the display! Although we have been having "electrical > >> storms" in the past few days, there was no such problem in the > >> area, and no other evidence of a power outage anywhere in the > >> house. In a few moments, seeing few alternatives, I powered the > >> entire computer down brutally, and then rebooted. When I opened > >> the file that I had been editing in Kate, several VERY extensive > >> pages of physical printed matter (that I had previously entered -- > >> and then saved, incrementally, several times) were no longer to be > >> seen -- either via Konquorer or via Kate!!! > >> > >> Can anyone give me detailed directions for recovering a > >> more-complete version of my HTML file under these peculiar > >> circumstances? > > > > Look for a file in the same directory as the file you were editing, > > that has a ~ at the end. I know kwrite saves a copy as .bak, but > > some times they do the ~ at the end as a working copy. You may be > > able to recover that. > > Also make sure you have hidden files turned on, because usually > name.ext~ files are hidden. Thank you, Emil. I just plain LIKE to see ALL files ALL the time -- so I have "always" had the flag set to display "hidden" files. Also, one of the nicest things about Kate (and KWrite, etc.) is that feature of automatically saving a backup. Sadly, in this case, the subsequent backup files do not appear in Konquorer or in Dolphin or in any other tool that I am yet aware of! Still, THANKS for a couple of good tips! -- 布鲁斯 麦克阿瑟 Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From Grokit at ajinfosearch.com Sat Aug 8 20:58:38 2009 From: Grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:58:38 -0400 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File In-Reply-To: <200908081547.21389.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <4A7D0203.9030306@angelwoodpines.org> <200908081547.21389.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <200908081658.38503.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> On Saturday 08 August 2009 04:47:21 pm Bruce MacArthur wrote: > On Friday 07 August 2009 23:41, Emil Payne wrote: > > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > > On Friday 07 August 2009 10:14:15 pm Bruce MacArthur wrote: > > >> Greetings -- > > >> . . . . > > Thank you, Emil. I just plain LIKE to see ALL files ALL the time -- so > I have "always" had the flag set to display "hidden" files. Also, one > of the nicest things about Kate (and KWrite, etc.) is that feature of > automatically saving a backup. Sadly, in this case, the subsequent > backup files do not appear in Konquorer or in Dolphin or in any other > tool that I am yet aware of! Still, THANKS for a couple of good tips! Have you tried finding it on the command line? 'find -name ' would work. Using wildcards like * and ? might be recommended. If your file was named 'WheresWally' you could use something like ' find -name Wher* ' If you want to search *everywhere*, go to the root folder and put a sudo in front of it. From what I am reading, it can't hurt to try. Alan From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Sat Aug 8 21:06:19 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:06:19 -0500 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File In-Reply-To: <200908081008.43684.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <4A7D0203.9030306@angelwoodpines.org> <200908081008.43684.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908081606.19228.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Saturday 08 August 2009 03:08, Perry wrote: > Le Saturday 08 August 2009 06:41:39 Emil Payne, vous avez écrit : > > > Look for a file in the same directory as the file you were > > > editing, that has a ~ at the end.  I know kwrite saves a copy as > > > .bak, but some times they do the ~ at the end as a working copy. > > >  You may be able to recover that. > > > > Also make sure you have hidden files turned on, because usually > > name.ext~ files are hidden. > > The *most important thing* about data loss has not been stated in > this thread. I hope it is only because it seemed too obvious to be > worth mentionning. But just in case: ***do not use this drive***, or > at least the partition involved, boot from a live cd, mount your > partition read only. Well, Perry, here is the situation in this regard. When I first saw the problem, I assumed that there was just one of those system glitches that most of us meet-up-with from time to time. So I didn't hesitate to simply reboot and take a look -- as I tried to explain. Perhaps that was too much. At any rate, since that time, I have stayed away from Jaunty -- pending good advice from here! > > You will then need another medium to work from, if you had installed > two Linux versions/distros on different partitions that's great. > If that seems too big a price ($ or time) you may shun this advice, > but any write operation to this partition increases the likelyhood > your data gets overwritten. Excellent points. In fact, I have partitioned HEAVILY. I started out with a thoroughly defective installation of openSuSE 10.2. To the best of my knowledge, openSuSE cannot "see" Jaunty. Jaunty has several partitions and IS able to "see" some of openSuSE. But going to Jaunty at this point will automatically open the file that I want so much to recover! > > I'm sorry I can not help more, last time I did a rescue was on an > Amiga floppy, using a track-sector editor. > Some (easy to find) links > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery > http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/04/09/recover-deleted-files-with-f >oremost/ http://freshmeat.net/projects/unrm/?topic_id=866 I'll check those out. There IS another problem in the mix. The specific problems with openSuSE seem to resist any kind of upgrade; they may or may not allow a liveCD -- it is a good idea for me to check out that possibility. Again, the notion of doing such work in Jaunty tends simply to re-open the file that I want to recover. I seem to be in one of those "Catch-22" situations! THANKS for some good reminders!!! > > > Good luck Perry > -- > BOFH excuse #157: Incorrect time synchronization -- 布鲁斯 麦克阿瑟 Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Sat Aug 8 21:23:42 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:23:42 -0500 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File In-Reply-To: <98q0l6-ca4.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <98q0l6-ca4.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200908081623.43007.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Saturday 08 August 2009 12:46, Derek Broughton wrote: > Bruce MacArthur wrote: > > Greetings -- > > > > This message was previously posted to kdepim-users at kde.org. In the > > absence of any reply just yet, I am posting to two also-applicable > > lists, namely kde-linux and kubuntu-users. > > > > > > I was on Kubuntu Jaunty, and editing an HTML file, using Kate. > > It's not surprising that it got no results from kdepim-users - kate > has nothing to do with kdepim (that is, the "kontact" suite, and > related apps). > > > When I returned, my monitor was dark. Usually this simply means > > that the screen-saver is working. However, I was entirely unable > > to recover the display! Although we have been having "electrical > > storms" in the past few days, there was no such problem in the > > area, and no other evidence of a power outage anywhere in the > > house. In a few moments, seeing few alternatives, I powered the > > entire computer down brutally, and then rebooted. When I opened > > the file that I had been editing in Kate, several VERY extensive > > pages of physical printed matter (that I had previously entered -- > > and then saved, incrementally, several times) were no longer to be > > seen -- either via Konquorer or via Kate!!! > > Open the file you saved... "Been there; Done that!" That is how I found out that I had lost data. I doubt that it can be done, but I sure would like to recover the lost data! > > > -- > derek -- 布鲁斯 麦克阿瑟 Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 8 21:23:51 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:23:51 -0400 Subject: I need help with this instruction. In-Reply-To: References: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908081121.36851.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908081723.51864.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 08 August 2009 11:30:19 am Goh Lip wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > Trim > > > >>> Burn as data file, not iso or image. Do not include 'folder/Repo' > >>> (correct word should be 'directory', sorry, not 'folder'), just all the > >>> things in the directory 'Repo', make sure 'Package.gz' is there. > > > > Trim > > When I open Dolphin, I cannot find Package.gz in Repo. There are > > apparently 635 Files (634.l0 MiB), does that seem right? > > > > The reason I asked if a loop was running is because as fast as it goes > > by, I still see a glimpse the word loop repeated and the word .wine > > repeated. And yes it is still running as in a loop. > > > > Steven > > That size may be correct, in your case. > But the Package.gz must be there after you do the > dpkg-scanpackages stuff. It will take much much longer than the cp var > stuff. > > gl I closed the shell that looked like it was reading the same thing over and over. That was a mistake, wasn't it? I must have let it run 15 to 20 minutes. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 8 21:31:49 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:31:49 -0400 Subject: I need help with this instruction. In-Reply-To: References: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908081103.51091.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908081731.49926.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 08 August 2009 11:24:33 am Goh Lip wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:34:15 pm Goh Lip wrote: > >> Steven Vollom wrote: > >>>> make a folder called say, Repo in your home. > > > > Trim > > > > Dear Goh Lip, > > > > I just opened the email you wrote the other day referring to the making > > of the Directory Repo. After following the instructions that followed, > > when I hit enter the last time, I got pages and pages of data rolling > > down the screen. It has been going on continuously for several minutes > > now, and is still doing the work as I write. Is this what is supposed to > > happen, or did I do something wrong? There is so much data moving, it > > looks like data in a loup. I opened the Repo directory and see that there > > are many entries, but I don't know if what I am seeing on the shell is a > > scan taking place in a loup, repeating over and over, or just more data > > moving to where it belongs. > > > > If I have properly completed the task of loading the information into the > > Repo Directory, I suppose I should copy Repo to CD, but if Repo is still > > being filled I must wait. What do I do? continue until the shell stops, > > or is it in a loup that will not end? > > > > Steven > > Was this the command? > > sudo cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/steven/Repo > > In that case you have lots of downloaded stuff. > Have you done this first? > sudo apt-get autoclean? > > You probably will need to burn a dvd. (data) > > gl Dear Goh Lip, I thought it was rescanning the same stuff, it was running so long, and I kept seeing .wine over and over. I made a CD of what was in the Repo Directory, almost 500mb, but I did not see the Packages.gz and probably closed the shell too soon. Will it resume if I type in cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /home/steven/Reso again? It was just continuing what seemed like a scan loop. I hope I did not screw up again. Steven From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Aug 9 01:00:24 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:00:24 +0800 Subject: I need help with this instruction. In-Reply-To: <200908081723.51864.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908081121.36851.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908081723.51864.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > On Saturday 08 August 2009 11:30:19 am Goh Lip wrote: >> Steven Vollom wrote: >>> Trim >>> >>>>> Burn as data file, not iso or image. Do not include 'folder/Repo' >>>>> (correct word should be 'directory', sorry, not 'folder'), just all the >>>>> things in the directory 'Repo', make sure 'Package.gz' is there. >>> Trim >>> When I open Dolphin, I cannot find Package.gz in Repo. There are >>> apparently 635 Files (634.l0 MiB), does that seem right? >>> >>> The reason I asked if a loop was running is because as fast as it goes >>> by, I still see a glimpse the word loop repeated and the word .wine >>> repeated. And yes it is still running as in a loop. >>> >>> Steven >> That size may be correct, in your case. >> But the Package.gz must be there after you do the >> dpkg-scanpackages stuff. It will take much much longer than the cp var >> stuff. >> >> gl > I closed the shell that looked like it was reading the same thing over and > over. That was a mistake, wasn't it? I must have let it run 15 to 20 > minutes. > > Steven > If you want to redo, start with a new Repo direcotry, just in case you have repeat files. Then autoclean! You may be driving the scan-packages crazy with many similarly named package of diff versions. 15-20 mins of about 650mB files? Have more patience, If it exceeds 90 mins, then probably... but AUTOCLEAN! gl From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 9 01:48:10 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:48:10 -0400 Subject: I need help with this instruction. In-Reply-To: References: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908081121.36851.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908082148.10132.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 08 August 2009 11:30:19 am Goh Lip wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > Trim > > > >>> Burn as data file, not iso or image. Do not include 'folder/Repo' > >>> (correct word should be 'directory', sorry, not 'folder'), just all the > >>> things in the directory 'Repo', make sure 'Package.gz' is there. > > > > Trim > > When I open Dolphin, I cannot find Package.gz in Repo. There are > > apparently 635 Files (634.l0 MiB), does that seem right? > > > > The reason I asked if a loop was running is because as fast as it goes > > by, I still see a glimpse the word loop repeated and the word .wine > > repeated. And yes it is still running as in a loop. > > > > Steven > > That size may be correct, in your case. > But the Package.gz must be there after you do the > dpkg-scanpackages stuff. It will take much much longer than the cp var > stuff. > > gl Dear Goh Lip, It is obvious that I made some kind of error in the last attempt to make the RepoJaunty directory. This time it only took a bout 5 seconds to complete the task. I checked the folder and this time Packages.gz was included, and the folder contained over 600mb of data. I am pretty sure I have it correct this time. Somehow I must have been in a loop of some kind last time. Thanks again my friend. I guess I will have to wait for the next install to see it work. If not, tell me what I don't seem to understand. It sure will be nice when the Internet download speeds can keep up with the processors. I downloaded a 1.4gb file. It was a torrent download and took a while. What was interesting was the amount of time it took to divide was not too long, I didn't measure the time, but it was livable. Then it took quite a while to copy the two CD's. Moving it from CD to the hard drive on my new computer took a few minutes, but when I merged the 1.4gb and was using internal drive speeds and the ext4 file system, it was done in less than 10 seconds. Amazing. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 9 01:56:17 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:56:17 -0400 Subject: I need help with this instruction. In-Reply-To: References: <200908061534.00199.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908081121.36851.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908082156.17890.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 08 August 2009 11:30:19 am Goh Lip wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > Trim > > > >>> Burn as data file, not iso or image. Do not include 'folder/Repo' > >>> (correct word should be 'directory', sorry, not 'folder'), just all the > >>> things in the directory 'Repo', make sure 'Package.gz' is there. > > > > Trim > > When I open Dolphin, I cannot find Package.gz in Repo. There are > > apparently 635 Files (634.l0 MiB), does that seem right? > > > > The reason I asked if a loop was running is because as fast as it goes > > by, I still see a glimpse the word loop repeated and the word .wine > > repeated. And yes it is still running as in a loop. > > > > Steven > > That size may be correct, in your case. > But the Package.gz must be there after you do the > dpkg-scanpackages stuff. It will take much much longer than the cp var > stuff. > > gl Dear Goh Lip, I may have already replied, however it did not show up in my sent emails, so I will answer again. I ran the instructions again and put them in a RepoJaunty folder. I must have made a mistake yesterday, because the data continued for 15 minutes or so and seemed to be in a loop. I am convinced that was the case today, because when I ran the commands today, the last command that copied the data in RepoJauny took just a few seconds, and it also contained the Packages.gz package. It contained a little more data than the last folder. I copied the RepoJaunty to CD and will destroy the other CD. I guess I won't get to use this CD until I reinstall next time, if I understand you correctly. Thanks again my friend. Steven From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sun Aug 9 07:13:35 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:13:35 +0200 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File In-Reply-To: <200908081606.19228.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908081008.43684.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908081606.19228.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <200908090913.36533.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Saturday 08 August 2009 23:06:19 Bruce MacArthur, vous avez écrit : > Perry wrote: > > You will then need another medium to work from, if you had installed > > two Linux versions/distros on different partitions that's great. > > If that seems too big a price ($ or time) you may shun this advice, > > but any write operation to this partition increases the likelyhood > > your data gets overwritten. > > Excellent points.  In fact, I have partitioned HEAVILY.  I started out > with a thoroughly defective installation of openSuSE 10.2.  To the best > of my knowledge, openSuSE cannot "see" Jaunty. Strange, I used mainly an old Suse in my previous computer, before it passed out, and it could see the Kubuntu partition. Is it possible that the partitions have been formatted differently, and Suse cannot read that format? Else it is probably possible to mount this part from Suse. Even if it is mounted with write enabled, since you work from Suse, there sould be no writing on Jaunty unles you cause it, I mean don't open a file with e.g. Kate because the system (Suse) might try to save a backup in the Jaunty folder. It is probably safe to search for a file and copy it to Suse (I belive there would be no danger either to inspect its content with a viewer) > Jaunty has several > partitions and IS able to "see" some of openSuSE.  But going to Jaunty > at this point will automatically open the file that I want so much to > recover! Don't go to Jaunty, even if you could prevent this automatic reopening of Kate the system writes everywhere all the time. See what "man mount" says, if you have to edit /etc/fstab... and perhaps seek help in a Suse group. I just had a new idea, If you have a separate/home partition it may be possible to edit grub (perhaps from a live cd) so that it does not mount /home (then the eponymous folder on the / will become your new /home). After this you could safely boot your (diminutive) Jaunty and mount read-only and elsewhere your home partition. Sorry I cannot provide the details, not even swear it is feasible...perhaps someone else in the list can. Good luck Perry -- BOFH excuse #3: electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 09:47:17 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:47:17 +0200 Subject: KDE4.3 window moving Message-ID: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi, I can't find the setting to allow me to drag a window from one desktop to another. Not from the pager, from the actual window. Any clues? \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 10:12:35 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:12:35 +0300 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages In-Reply-To: <4A7C8C87.2070500@chown.dk> References: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> <880dece00908070801u7b68b529h56a347d9ddcd308@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C8C87.2070500@chown.dk> Message-ID: <880dece00908090312i2e99a0e3m7d338851fde77305@mail.gmail.com> > Did you remember to do an apt-get update after you added above > repositories? I am running KDE 4.3 as well and I have the debug symbols > for that package. > Yes, of course. In fact those repos have been enabled for several weeks already. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From kassube at gmx.net Sun Aug 9 10:17:46 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:17:46 +0200 Subject: KDE4.3 window moving In-Reply-To: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908091217.46777.kassube@gmx.net> Donn wrote: > I can't find the setting to allow me to drag a window from one > desktop to another. Not from the pager, from the actual window. Any > clues? There should be at least two possibilities. 1. Right-click on the title bar and select "Move to desktop >" (granted, that isn't exactly "drag"). 2. In the systemsettings enable active desktop borders: K-menu -> systemsettings -> Window Behavior -> Advanced -> Active Desktop Borders (•) Only when moving windows or (•) Always enabled Actually this is from KDE 4.2.2 because I can't get to the 4.3 machine today. Nils From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 10:27:08 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:27:08 +0200 Subject: KDE4.3 window moving In-Reply-To: <200908091217.46777.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908091217.46777.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908091227.08741.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday 09 August 2009 12:17:46 Nils Kassube wrote: > 2. In the systemsettings enable active desktop borders: K-menu -> > systemsettings -> Window Behavior -> Advanced -> Active Desktop Borders Nice try Nils, but it looks like that's missing in 4.3 :( \d From kassube at gmx.net Sun Aug 9 14:28:08 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:28:08 +0200 Subject: KDE4.3 window moving In-Reply-To: <200908091227.08741.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908091217.46777.kassube@gmx.net> <200908091227.08741.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908091628.08747.kassube@gmx.net> Donn wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2009 12:17:46 Nils Kassube wrote: > > 2. In the systemsettings enable active desktop borders: K-menu -> > > systemsettings -> Window Behavior -> Advanced -> Active Desktop > > Borders > > Nice try Nils, but it looks like that's missing in 4.3 :( Hmm, you're right. I just had the opportunity to play with my Karmic test installation for a short time and I can confirm that the option is gone in systemsettings. Well, then we are back to last century when we had do edit config files. :( This is untested but it should work because I still had the "Active Desktop Borders" set to "Always enabled" and it was working. I suppose you have to logout and use a text login (Ctrl-Alt-F2) to make the change. In ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc search for the section [Windows] In this section should be an entry ElectricBorders=0 Make the entry "ElectricBorders=1" if you want the option "Only when moving windows" or "ElectricBorders=2" if you want the option "Always enabled". After saving the file return to the graphical login screen (Alt-F7). Login and test if it works as expected. Nils From multilingus at gmx.de Sun Aug 9 20:04:50 2009 From: multilingus at gmx.de (Mario Andes) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:04:50 +0200 Subject: Dual boot Vista and Kubuntu Message-ID: Hi, I want to add Kubuntu to a computer with vista. Some months ago I did it on another machine without problems but now Kubuntu doesn't recognize the partitons and offers only to to use the entire disk. What has happened? Is it a new restriction of Vista to be sure that it is the only OS? multilingus -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Aug 9 20:18:26 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:18:26 -0400 Subject: Dual boot Vista and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908091618.26719.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 09 August 2009, Mario Andes wrote: > Some months ago I did it on another machine without problems > but now Kubuntu doesn't recognize the partitons and offers only to > to use the entire disk. Kubuntu isn't going to re-use any partitions unless you tell it to. Go to the advanced part of the partitioning and 'edit' the partition lists that it shows you. You will have to tell it which partition to use for '/', home, etc...... I always pre-partition my disks and then go through the advanced stage of the install. From multilingus at gmx.de Sun Aug 9 20:37:39 2009 From: multilingus at gmx.de (Mario Andes) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:37:39 +0200 Subject: Dual boot Vista and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200908091618.26719.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200908091618.26719.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: That's what I am used to do. But in this case Kubuntu only recognize the entire disk and no partitions! I can select the entire disk or manual partitioning. There are 9 partitions on the disk, one reserved for Kubuntu. Normally I select manual and insert themount points. The partitions aren't recognized! The only thing Kubuntu finds is the entire disk! Theoretically I could design a new partition table but I don't know the details of them. multilingus On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:18:26 +0200, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2009, Mario Andes wrote: >> Some months ago I did it on another machine without problems >> but now Kubuntu doesn't recognize the partitons and offers only to >> to use the entire disk. > > Kubuntu isn't going to re-use any partitions unless you tell it to. > > Go to the advanced part of the partitioning and 'edit' the partition > lists > that it shows you. You will have to tell it which partition to use for > '/', > home, etc...... > > I always pre-partition my disks and then go through the advanced stage > of the > install. > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Aug 9 21:04:42 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:04:42 -0400 Subject: Dual boot Vista and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200908091618.26719.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200908091704.42490.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 09 August 2009, Mario Andes wrote: > Theoretically I could design a new partition table but I don't know the > details of them. I would try to get hold of a different partitioner and have it look at the partitions...... Acronis??? http://www.acronis.com/enterprise/download/ADDSrv/ They have a free trial From multilingus at gmx.de Sun Aug 9 21:18:52 2009 From: multilingus at gmx.de (Mario Andes) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:18:52 +0200 Subject: Dual boot Vista and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200908091704.42490.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200908091618.26719.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200908091704.42490.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: Acronis? I am using Acronis. All partitions are there. I have made a backup with True Image (Acronis) without problems. There must be something on the disk that inhibits th kubuntu installation. Even different kubuntus (the last 3 versions) cannot install. I don't know the details of the MBR. Possilbly a single byte decides but I don't know it. multilingus On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:04:42 +0200, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2009, Mario Andes wrote: >> Theoretically I could design a new partition table but I don't know the >> details of them. > > I would try to get hold of a different partitioner and have it look at > the > partitions...... > > Acronis??? http://www.acronis.com/enterprise/download/ADDSrv/ > > They have a free trial > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 21:29:33 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:29:33 +0300 Subject: OT Posting a bug with Launchpad. In-Reply-To: <200908031703.46613.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908031703.46613.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <880dece00908091429r53a038e3ta741738a710009ab@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/4 Steven Vollom : > I installed Karmic on my old computer.  Using KpackageKit, I attempted to > install the application blockcontrol.  During the installation, the download > was stopped and the installation failed.  There were details about the > problem, so I read up on the bug reports to see if the issue I experienced had > happened to anyone else.  It did not seem to be a repeat, so I followed the > procedure to report a bug.  The site timed out with the following error: > > Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. >  We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies > for the inconvenience. >  Trying again in a couple of minutes might work. >  (Error ID: OOPS-1311C2903) > > And: > > Our edge server has a lower timeout threshold than launchpad.net, so we can > catch those before they hit a wider audience. As a member of the Launchpad > Beta Testers team, you're more likely to experience them. If this is blocking > your work, you can disable redirection. > Disable redirection for 2 hours > > This happened a couple of hours ago; I have tried many times to post but get > the same error.  I attempted to write the duty person, and got a similar timed > out situation on that part of the site.  Is this just "Murphy of 'Murphy's > Law'" rearing his ugly head again, or is there a recommended procedure to > continue, or do I just continue tomorrow.  I read all their follow-up > complaints and did not find anything like this on that list either, so I am > wondering if this problem is created by me. > > This email was intended to get to Dotan Cohen, but I currently don't have his > address. > Sorry for the delay, I don't read every thread and just now stumbled upon this one. Did you manage to file the bug? The few times that I have gotten this error I was able to post the bug right away when trying again. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From multilingus at gmx.de Sun Aug 9 21:31:32 2009 From: multilingus at gmx.de (Mario Andes) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:31:32 +0200 Subject: Dual boot Vista and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200908091704.42490.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200908091618.26719.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200908091704.42490.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: Maybe the partition table is in a different location which kubuntu doesn't know. Acronis finds almost everything on the disk because it is looking everywhere. Perhaps OS installer doesn't do that always? On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:04:42 +0200, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2009, Mario Andes wrote: >> Theoretically I could design a new partition table but I don't know the >> details of them. > > I would try to get hold of a different partitioner and have it look at > the > partitions...... > > Acronis??? http://www.acronis.com/enterprise/download/ADDSrv/ > > They have a free trial > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 9 21:55:27 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:55:27 -0400 Subject: sane Message-ID: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> I have tried to install sane so that I can scan. I have installed using Kpackagekit; I have installed using a CLI, and although it shows as installed, in Kpackagekit, it does not open when I Press Alt+F2 and enter sane. It does not show in the menu either. Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 9 21:59:01 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:59:01 -0400 Subject: OT Posting a bug with Launchpad. In-Reply-To: <880dece00908091429r53a038e3ta741738a710009ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908031703.46613.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <880dece00908091429r53a038e3ta741738a710009ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908091759.01224.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 09 August 2009 05:29:33 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/8/4 Steven Vollom : > > I installed Karmic on my old computer. Using KpackageKit, I attempted to > > install the application blockcontrol. During the installation, the > > download was stopped and the installation failed. There were details > > about the problem, so I read up on the bug reports to see if the issue I > > experienced had happened to anyone else. It did not seem to be a repeat, > > so I followed the procedure to report a bug. The site timed out with the > > following error: > > > > Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. > > We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. > > Apologies for the inconvenience. > > Trying again in a couple of minutes might work. > > (Error ID: OOPS-1311C2903) > > > > And: > > > > Our edge server has a lower timeout threshold than launchpad.net, so we > > can catch those before they hit a wider audience. As a member of the > > Launchpad Beta Testers team, you're more likely to experience them. If > > this is blocking your work, you can disable redirection. > > Disable redirection for 2 hours > > > > This happened a couple of hours ago; I have tried many times to post but > > get the same error. I attempted to write the duty person, and got a > > similar timed out situation on that part of the site. Is this just > > "Murphy of 'Murphy's Law'" rearing his ugly head again, or is there a > > recommended procedure to continue, or do I just continue tomorrow. I > > read all their follow-up complaints and did not find anything like this > > on that list either, so I am wondering if this problem is created by me. > > > > This email was intended to get to Dotan Cohen, but I currently don't have > > his address. > > Sorry for the delay, I don't read every thread and just now stumbled > upon this one. Did you manage to file the bug? The few times that I > have gotten this error I was able to post the bug right away when > trying again. > > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il Hi Dotan, I can't remember how I solved the problem, however, I have blockcontrol in and working. I have had difficulty posting bugs, though. I would like to be able to post them. I got dbg installed for everything so that I would have details when they come up. Nice to hear from you, my friend. Steven From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Aug 9 22:00:30 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:00:30 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908091800.30422.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Sunday 09 August 2009 05:55:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > I have tried to install sane so that I can scan. I have installed using > Kpackagekit; I have installed using a CLI, and although it shows as > installed, in Kpackagekit, it does not open when I Press Alt+F2 and enter > sane. It does not show in the menu either. Thanks! > > Steven You need to install skanlite or Xsane for scanning, as sane itself does not provide any GUI scanning tools -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From david at dmcentral.net Sun Aug 9 22:11:06 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:11:06 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908091800.30422.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908091800.30422.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908091811.06984.david@dmcentral.net> On Sunday 09 August 2009 06:00:30 pm Clay Weber wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2009 05:55:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > I have tried to install sane so that I can scan. I have installed using > > Kpackagekit; I have installed using a CLI, and although it shows as > > installed, in Kpackagekit, it does not open when I Press Alt+F2 and enter > > sane. It does not show in the menu either. Thanks! > > > > Steven > > You need to install skanlite or Xsane for scanning, as sane itself does not Kooka is better. -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Aug 9 22:12:29 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:12:29 -0400 Subject: Dual boot Vista and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200908091704.42490.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200908091812.30120.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 09 August 2009, Mario Andes wrote: > Maybe the partition table is in a different location which kubuntu doesn't > know. > Acronis finds almost everything on the disk because it is looking > everywhere. > Perhaps OS installer doesn't do that always? If I were in this situation, I think I would make a change to the partitions, with Acronis..... any change... shrink a partition and expand it again. That would get Acronis to rewrite the partition table with no real change. And hopefully, that would put you on your way.... However, as you know, there could always be a major bomb with this. So if you have True Image backups, have at it. From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Sun Aug 9 22:51:51 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT Posting a bug with Launchpad. References: <200908031703.46613.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <880dece00908091429r53a038e3ta741738a710009ab@mail.gmail.com> <200908091759.01224.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:59:01 -0400, Steven Vollom wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2009 05:29:33 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2009/8/4 Steven Vollom : >> > I installed Karmic on my old computer. Using KpackageKit, I >> > attempted to install the application blockcontrol. During the >> > installation, the download was stopped and the installation failed. >> > There were details about the problem, so I read up on the bug reports >> > to see if the issue I experienced had happened to anyone else. It >> > did not seem to be a repeat, so I followed the procedure to report a >> > bug. The site timed out with the following error: >> > >> > Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. >> > We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. >> > Apologies for the inconvenience. >> > Trying again in a couple of minutes might work. (Error ID: >> > OOPS-1311C2903) >> > >> > And: >> > >> > Our edge server has a lower timeout threshold than launchpad.net, so >> > we can catch those before they hit a wider audience. As a member of >> > the Launchpad Beta Testers team, you're more likely to experience >> > them. If this is blocking your work, you can disable redirection. >> > Disable redirection for 2 hours >> > >> > This happened a couple of hours ago; I have tried many times to post >> > but get the same error. I attempted to write the duty person, and >> > got a similar timed out situation on that part of the site. Is this >> > just "Murphy of 'Murphy's Law'" rearing his ugly head again, or is >> > there a recommended procedure to continue, or do I just continue >> > tomorrow. I read all their follow-up complaints and did not find >> > anything like this on that list either, so I am wondering if this >> > problem is created by me. >> > >> > This email was intended to get to Dotan Cohen, but I currently don't >> > have his address. >> >> Sorry for the delay, I don't read every thread and just now stumbled >> upon this one. Did you manage to file the bug? The few times that I >> have gotten this error I was able to post the bug right away when >> trying again. > Hi Dotan, > > I can't remember how I solved the problem, however, I have blockcontrol > in and working. I have had difficulty posting bugs, though. I would > like to be able to post them. I got dbg installed for everything so > that I would have details when they come up. Nice to hear from you, my > friend. Quoting from the error message in Steven's first post: "As a member of the Launchpad Beta Testers team ...", it seems to be more of a bug in the Launchpad Beta code then something about the actual bug reporting : https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers HTH, -Frans From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 23:18:31 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:18:31 +0200 Subject: KDE4.3 window moving In-Reply-To: <200908091628.08747.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908091227.08741.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908091628.08747.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908100118.32014.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday 09 August 2009 16:28:08 Nils Kassube wrote: > This is untested but it should work because I still had the "Active > Desktop Borders" set to "Always enabled" ... > ElectricBorders=0 How did you go from 'Active Desktop Borders' to 'ElectricBorders'? Cool. I have made the change and await a reboot. You the man! \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From multilingus at gmx.de Mon Aug 10 00:25:47 2009 From: multilingus at gmx.de (Mario Andes) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:25:47 +0200 Subject: Dual boot Vista and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200908091812.30120.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200908091704.42490.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200908091812.30120.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: Hi Bruce! You are right!!! I changed some partitions with Acronis and apparently a new partition table was written. The next time I tried to install kubuntu everything was ok and 20 min later I was done! Everything works without problems. Now the partiton table is where kubuntu looks for it. Thank you! On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:12:29 +0200, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2009, Mario Andes wrote: >> Maybe the partition table is in a different location which kubuntu >> doesn't >> know. >> Acronis finds almost everything on the disk because it is looking >> everywhere. >> Perhaps OS installer doesn't do that always? > > If I were in this situation, I think I would make a change to the > partitions, > with Acronis..... any change... shrink a partition and expand it > again. > > That would get Acronis to rewrite the partition table with no real > change. > > And hopefully, that would put you on your way.... However, as you know, > there could always be a major bomb with this. So if you have True Image > backups, have at it. > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Aug 10 00:33:30 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:33:30 -0400 Subject: Dual boot Vista and Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200908091812.30120.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200908092033.31109.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 09 August 2009, Mario Andes wrote: > You are right!!! I changed some partitions with Acronis and apparently a > new partition > table was written. Great!!! A job well done. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 03:28:51 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:28:51 +0200 Subject: KDE4 compositing won't switch on : RESOLVED In-Reply-To: <200907081609.15343.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200907081609.15343.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908100528.51547.donn.ingle@gmail.com> A follow-up to explain how I 'resolved' the OP. Nils got me digging in the kwinrc file to fix another issue. I noticed the section titled [Compositing] and thought 'erase and rewind'... 1. I opened ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc 2. I found the section. 3. I erased all the lines for its settings. 4. Saved it. 5. Brought up the window settings box and enabled compositing. 6. Lo! It worked. FYI: My current working section looks like this: [Compositing] AnimationSpeed=3 Backend=OpenGL DisableChecks=false Enabled=true GLDirect=true GLMode=TFP GLTextureFilter=0 GLVSync=false HiddenPreviews=5 XRenderSmoothScale=false HTH, \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 03:31:26 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:31:26 +0200 Subject: KDE4.3 window moving In-Reply-To: <200908091628.08747.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908091227.08741.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908091628.08747.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908100531.26219.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday 09 August 2009 16:28:08 Nils Kassube wrote: > After saving the file return to the graphical login screen > (Alt-F7). Login and test if it works as expected. For the record, Nils' suggestion works perfectly, however I did not logout or switch terminals; I called-up the window settings dialogue and made a small change and said ok. That forced a re-read of kwinc. \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Mon Aug 10 04:30:05 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:30:05 -0500 Subject: 20090807KL -- "Emergency" -- Lost File In-Reply-To: <200908090913.36533.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908072214.15339.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908081606.19228.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908090913.36533.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908092330.05211.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Sunday 09 August 2009 02:13, Perry wrote: > Le Saturday 08 August 2009 23:06:19 Bruce MacArthur, vous avez écrit : > > Perry wrote: > > > You will then need another medium to work from, if you had > > > installed two Linux versions/distros on different partitions > > > that's great. If that seems too big a price ($ or time) you may > > > shun this advice, but any write operation to this partition > > > increases the likelyhood your data gets overwritten. > > > > Excellent points.  In fact, I have partitioned HEAVILY.  I started > > out with a thoroughly defective installation of openSuSE 10.2.  To > > the best of my knowledge, openSuSE cannot "see" Jaunty. > > Strange, I used mainly an old Suse in my previous computer, before it > passed out, and it could see the Kubuntu partition. > Is it possible that the partitions have been formatted differently, > and Suse cannot read that format? > Else it is probably possible to mount this part from Suse. > Even if it is mounted with write enabled, since you work from Suse, > there sould be no writing on Jaunty unles you cause it, I mean don't > open a file with e.g. Kate because the system (Suse) might try to > save a backup in the Jaunty folder. It is probably safe to search for > a file and copy it to Suse (I belive there would be no danger either > to inspect its content with a viewer) > > > Jaunty has several > > partitions and IS able to "see" some of openSuSE.  But going to > > Jaunty at this point will automatically open the file that I want > > so much to recover! > > Don't go to Jaunty, even if you could prevent this automatic > reopening of Kate the system writes everywhere all the time. > > See what "man mount" says, if you have to edit /etc/fstab... > and perhaps seek help in a Suse group. > > I just had a new idea, If you have a separate/home partition it may > be possible to edit grub (perhaps from a live cd) so that it does not > mount /home (then the eponymous folder on the / will become your new > /home). After this you could safely boot your (diminutive) Jaunty and > mount read-only and elsewhere your home partition. > Sorry I cannot provide the details, not even swear it is > feasible...perhaps someone else in the list can. > > Good luck Perry > > -- > BOFH excuse #3: electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris Hello, Perry -- and MANY others! -- A VERY HEARTY "THANK YOU" for all of your many insights!!!!! There are some points where I just am NOT as technical as i really ought to be. I feel that I have managed to get in well over my head. Finally, regarding that lost data, I just decided to bite the proverbial bullet in the form of re-entering the data. The only thing REALLY bad about this decision is that I will never know what caused the problem in the first place -- or how to prevent it (or, at least, recover more gracefully). Not EVERYthing can be beautiful! THANKS again, to one and all. I will try to set things up to take much better advantage of ALL of your insights in the event of a repetition. I really treasure your concern and assistance!!! -- 布鲁斯 麦克阿瑟 Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From kassube at gmx.net Mon Aug 10 05:33:36 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:33:36 +0200 Subject: KDE4.3 window moving In-Reply-To: <200908100118.32014.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908091628.08747.kassube@gmx.net> <200908100118.32014.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908100733.36915.kassube@gmx.net> Donn wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2009 16:28:08 Nils Kassube wrote: > > This is untested but it should work because I still had the "Active > > Desktop Borders" set to "Always enabled" ... > > ElectricBorders=0 > > How did you go from 'Active Desktop Borders' to 'ElectricBorders'? Oh, that was easy: On my KDE 4.2.2 machine I changed the setting and the command "ls -ltr ~/.kde/share/config|tail" revealed the kwinrc file to be the one I was looking for. I made a copy of the file and then changed the setting again. Finally "diff -u kwinrc ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc" revealed the ElectricBorders entry to be the wanted option. And the 4.3 machine had the entry "ElectricBorders=2" ... Nils From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 05:42:24 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:42:24 +0200 Subject: KDE4.3 window moving In-Reply-To: <200908100733.36915.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908100118.32014.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908100733.36915.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908100742.24419.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday 10 August 2009 07:33:36 Nils Kassube wrote: > "diff -u kwinrc ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc" Genius! And thanks. \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Mon Aug 10 07:45:02 2009 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:45:02 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908091811.06984.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908091800.30422.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908091811.06984.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200908100945.02690.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> Mandag den 10. august 2009 kvad David McGlone: > On Sunday 09 August 2009 06:00:30 pm Clay Weber wrote: > > On Sunday 09 August 2009 05:55:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > > I have tried to install sane so that I can scan. I have > > > installed > > using > > > > Kpackagekit; I have installed using a CLI, and although it > > shows as > > > > installed, in Kpackagekit, it does not open when I Press Alt+F2 > > and enter > > > > sane. It does not show in the menu either. Thanks! > > > > > > Steven > > > > You need to install skanlite or Xsane for scanning, as sane > > itself > > does not > > Kooka is better. And discontinued. Best regards :o) Johnny :o) From jonas at chown.dk Mon Aug 10 11:13:46 2009 From: jonas at chown.dk (Jonas Pedersen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:13:46 +0200 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages In-Reply-To: <880dece00908090312i2e99a0e3m7d338851fde77305@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> <880dece00908070801u7b68b529h56a347d9ddcd308@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C8C87.2070500@chown.dk> <880dece00908090312i2e99a0e3m7d338851fde77305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8000EA.4010204@chown.dk> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Did you remember to do an apt-get update after you added above >> repositories? I am running KDE 4.3 as well and I have the debug symbols >> for that package. >> >> > > Yes, of course. In fact those repos have been enabled for several weeks already. > Can you please post your content of /etc/apt/sources. Thanks. /Jonas From paulatgm at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 12:49:23 2009 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:49:23 -0400 Subject: resume from suspend fails Message-ID: <4A801753.2030500@gmail.com> I'm running kde 4.3 on 9.04 and resume fails on kubuntu, but works ok on ubuntu. In googling, I don't find anyone else complaining about it. Just curious if I'm the only one? Or are others are having resume problems too? 32 bit intel core 2 with nvidia 7300 go dell laptop. From jarkko.palviainen at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 15:31:14 2009 From: jarkko.palviainen at gmail.com (Jarkko Palviainen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:31:14 +0300 Subject: KDE4.3 window moving In-Reply-To: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:47:17 +0300, Donn wrote: > Hi, > I can't find the setting to allow me to drag a window from one desktop to > another. Not from the pager, from the actual window. Any clues? > > \d The setup in KDE 4.3 is located in: System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen Edges. I'm not aware how moving windows between desktops works in KDE 3.5.x, but this let's you move them by dragging them to the selected corner of the screen. You can select option 'only when moving windows'. Works for me. Also, the documentation in Help Center seems to be out of date. - Jarkko From mmtsales at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 17:44:36 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:44:36 -0300 Subject: Slow composition with intel graphics on Kubuntu 9.04 Message-ID: <200908101444.36766.mmtsales@gmail.com> Hello, I have a centrino 2 notebook which was running SuSE 11.1 and KDE 4.1. Composition with intel 945GM was relatively fast. I've recently installed Kubuntu 9,04 on this machine and almost everything is running exceptionally well. Even some Fn functions that had never worked before are now working, out of the box. However, composition with intel graphics is very slow. Kwin desktop effects, like the desktop cube and wobbly windows, are slow and "loosing frames", in the lack of a better description of the problem. Is there something I can do to improve 3D graphics performance? Any fine tuning in xorg.conf? Thanks, Marcelo From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Aug 10 17:23:29 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:23:29 -0300 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages References: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> <880dece00908070801u7b68b529h56a347d9ddcd308@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C8C87.2070500@chown.dk> <880dece00908090312i2e99a0e3m7d338851fde77305@mail.gmail.com> <4A8000EA.4010204@chown.dk> Message-ID: Jonas Pedersen wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> Did you remember to do an apt-get update after you added above >>> repositories? I am running KDE 4.3 as well and I have the debug symbols >>> for that package. >>> >>> >> >> Yes, of course. In fact those repos have been enabled for several weeks >> already. >> > Can you please post your content of /etc/apt/sources. Thanks. That would be .../sources.list and .../sources.list.d/*.list -- derek From jonas at chown.dk Mon Aug 10 18:25:31 2009 From: jonas at chown.dk (Jonas Pedersen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:25:31 +0200 Subject: Slow composition with intel graphics on Kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <200908101444.36766.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200908101444.36766.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A80661B.2000705@chown.dk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > However, > composition with intel graphics is very slow. Kwin desktop effects, like > the desktop cube and wobbly windows, are slow and "loosing frames", in > the lack of a better description of the problem. > > Is there something I can do to improve 3D graphics performance? Any fine > tuning in xorg.conf? If you are not afraid of experimenting a bit you can try to add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main" to /etc/apt/sources and then do an update/upgrade. You also need to install the latest kernel from Karmic development. You can get the .deb files at your local mirror. At least this solved the issue for me. If you try to search a bit on launchpad.net you can find many reports with similar issues. Some of the bugs have some comments added on what solved the issue for them. - -- Jonas Pedersen - jonas - at - jope.eu / http://jope.eu Online picture gallery at http://pictureshow.dk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkqAZhYACgkQp8ze5q5EBA9S0wCcCEpUCqUB5yZSrOcGVQG5e1gF 2F4AmwbIVKl8cECBLQvmHRRAmN5uhI+i =5mP3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonas at chown.dk Mon Aug 10 18:26:38 2009 From: jonas at chown.dk (Jonas Pedersen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:26:38 +0200 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> <880dece00908070801u7b68b529h56a347d9ddcd308@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C8C87.2070500@chown.dk> <880dece00908090312i2e99a0e3m7d338851fde77305@mail.gmail.com> <4A8000EA.4010204@chown.dk> Message-ID: <4A80665E.3000101@chown.dk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Derek Broughton wrote: > Jonas Pedersen wrote: >> Can you please post your content of /etc/apt/sources. Thanks. > > That would be .../sources.list and .../sources.list.d/*.list Thanks for correcting me :-) Was not in front of a Linux installation at that time. - -- Jonas Pedersen - jonas - at - jope.eu / http://jope.eu Online picture gallery at http://pictureshow.dk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkqAZl4ACgkQp8ze5q5EBA/P+gCdGIt7seG831jnxs57bmGDHcKv RBoAnRI3P/8fhcVHthp2Y/TJXwIPsm8d =yn3r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonas at chown.dk Mon Aug 10 18:27:41 2009 From: jonas at chown.dk (Jonas Pedersen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:27:41 +0200 Subject: Slow composition with intel graphics on Kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <4A80661B.2000705@chown.dk> References: <200908101444.36766.mmtsales@gmail.com> <4A80661B.2000705@chown.dk> Message-ID: <4A80669D.3070700@chown.dk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jonas Pedersen wrote: > If you are not afraid of experimenting a bit you can try to add "deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main" to > /etc/apt/sources and then do an update/upgrade. You also need to install And that should be /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list - -- Jonas Pedersen - jonas - at - jope.eu / http://jope.eu Online picture gallery at http://pictureshow.dk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkqAZp0ACgkQp8ze5q5EBA8yGwCgtqoUy3VrNhXhYcZUJR0TDFaX AQIAoIxXsy9qiAmo0dLSd1pt27gFmabL =1YnE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 19:50:18 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:50:18 +0300 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages In-Reply-To: <4A80665E.3000101@chown.dk> References: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> <880dece00908070801u7b68b529h56a347d9ddcd308@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C8C87.2070500@chown.dk> <880dece00908090312i2e99a0e3m7d338851fde77305@mail.gmail.com> <4A8000EA.4010204@chown.dk> <4A80665E.3000101@chown.dk> Message-ID: <880dece00908101250h367d3e87x9c359e6231a637af@mail.gmail.com> >>> Can you please post your content of /etc/apt/sources. Thanks. >> >> That would be .../sources.list and .../sources.list.d/*.list > > Thanks for correcting me :-) Was not in front of a Linux installation at > that time. > > jaunty2 at laptop:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list # This file makes sure that Opera Browser is kept up-to-date # as part of regular system upgrades deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free # The line above will make sure you get all final public releases. # Uncomment the following line if you want to get alpha and beta # releases, too. # deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-beta/ stable non-free # In a similar way, uncomment the line below if you want all public # snapshots. # deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-snapshot/ stable non-free jaunty2 at laptop:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main jaunty2 at laptop:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list ## Medibuntu - Ubuntu 8.10 "intrepid ibex" ## Please report any bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/ deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free #deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ intrepid free non-free jaunty2 at laptop:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list # # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_ - Release i386 (20090420.1)]/ jaunty main restricted #deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_ - Release i386 (20090420.1)]/ jaunty main restricted # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to # newer versions of the distribution. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the ## distribution. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates main restricted deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates main restricted ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty universe deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty universe deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates universe deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates universe ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty multiverse deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty multiverse deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates multiverse deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' ## repository. ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's ## 'partner' repository. ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the ## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users. deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security main restricted deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security main restricted deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security universe deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security universe deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security multiverse deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security multiverse # OOo 3.1 deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main # SMplayer deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/mplayer/ubuntu jaunty main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/mplayer/ubuntu jaunty main deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/smplayer/ubuntu jaunty main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/smplayer/ubuntu jaunty main # Newest KDE release deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main # Virtual Box deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian jaunty non-free jaunty2 at laptop:~$ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 20:00:19 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:00:19 +0300 Subject: OT Posting a bug with Launchpad. In-Reply-To: References: <200908031703.46613.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <880dece00908091429r53a038e3ta741738a710009ab@mail.gmail.com> <200908091759.01224.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <880dece00908101300h7410b4d6m61b03000f0d9c7d2@mail.gmail.com> > Quoting from the error message in Steven's first post: "As a member of > the Launchpad Beta Testers team ...", it seems to be more of a bug in the > Launchpad Beta code then something about the actual bug reporting : > > https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers > I agree. I have gotton those messages as well, and I am not on that team. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 20:03:17 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:03:17 +0300 Subject: OT Posting a bug with Launchpad. In-Reply-To: <200908091759.01224.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908031703.46613.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <880dece00908091429r53a038e3ta741738a710009ab@mail.gmail.com> <200908091759.01224.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <880dece00908101303n11218eb5p82261acde2a4ac19@mail.gmail.com> > I can't remember how I solved the problem, however, I have blockcontrol in and > working.  I have had difficulty posting bugs, though.  I would like to be able > to post them. Are you posting from here?: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug > Nice to hear from you, my friend. > Nice to hear from _you_. Just briefly, not to go too far OT, how did your situation last month end? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 20:06:56 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:06:56 +0200 Subject: KDE4.3 window moving In-Reply-To: References: <200908091147.17389.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908102206.56587.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday 10 August 2009 17:31:14 Jarkko Palviainen wrote: > The setup in KDE 4.3 is located in: System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen > Edges. Ah, thanks good to know. \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From mmtsales at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 20:16:18 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:16:18 -0300 Subject: Slow composition with intel graphics on Kubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <4A80661B.2000705@chown.dk> References: <200908101444.36766.mmtsales@gmail.com> <4A80661B.2000705@chown.dk> Message-ID: <200908101716.32282.mmtsales@gmail.com> Hi, Jonas Em Seg 10 Ago 2009, Jonas Pedersen escreveu: > Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > > However, > > composition with intel graphics is very slow. Kwin desktop effects, > > like the desktop cube and wobbly windows, are slow and "loosing > > frames", in the lack of a better description of the problem. > > > > Is there something I can do to improve 3D graphics performance? Any > > fine tuning in xorg.conf? > > If you are not afraid of experimenting a bit you can try to add "deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main" > to /etc/apt/sources and then do an update/upgrade. You also need to > install the latest kernel from Karmic development. You can get the > .deb files at your local mirror. At least this solved the issue for > me. > > If you try to search a bit on launchpad.net you can find many reports > with similar issues. Some of the bugs have some comments added on > what solved the issue for them. I'll try that, thanks for your answer. []'s Marcelo From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 22:30:19 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:30:19 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. Message-ID: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> I just attempted to install Kooka and got the above error message. I also got the same error when attemtping "sudo apt-get install updates" and "sudo apt- get install safe upgrades". When I attempt to open /etc/apt/sources.list, the Kpackagekit application opens ubuntu software window. In the box at the bottom it says, "To install from a CD-ROM or DVD, insert the medium into the drive". Do they mean the Jaunty installation CD, or what? Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 22:37:14 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:37:14 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908100945.02690.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908091811.06984.david@dmcentral.net> <200908100945.02690.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> Message-ID: <200908101837.14617.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Monday 10 August 2009 03:45:02 am Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > Mandag den 10. august 2009 kvad David McGlone: > > On Sunday 09 August 2009 06:00:30 pm Clay Weber wrote: > > > On Sunday 09 August 2009 05:55:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > > > I have tried to install sane so that I can scan. I have > > > > installed > > > > using > > > > > > Kpackagekit; I have installed using a CLI, and although it > > > > shows as > > > > > > installed, in Kpackagekit, it does not open when I Press Alt+F2 > > > > and enter > > > > > > sane. It does not show in the menu either. Thanks! > > > > > > > > Steven > > > > > > You need to install skanlite or Xsane for scanning, as sane > > > itself > > > > does not > > > > Kooka is better. > > And discontinued. > > > Best regards :o) > > Johnny :o) Kooka would not download? I have used it in the past and like it. Can you advise further? Thanks! Steven From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Aug 10 22:51:27 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:51:27 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908101837.14617.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908091811.06984.david@dmcentral.net> <200908100945.02690.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> <200908101837.14617.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A80A46F.7050609@midmaine.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > On Monday 10 August 2009 03:45:02 am Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: >> Mandag den 10. august 2009 kvad David McGlone: >>> On Sunday 09 August 2009 06:00:30 pm Clay Weber wrote: >>>> On Sunday 09 August 2009 05:55:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >>>>> I have tried to install sane so that I can scan. I have >>>>> installed >>> using >>> >>>>> Kpackagekit; I have installed using a CLI, and although it >>> shows as >>> >>>>> installed, in Kpackagekit, it does not open when I Press Alt+F2 >>> and enter >>> >>>>> sane. It does not show in the menu either. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Steven >>>> You need to install skanlite or Xsane for scanning, as sane >>>> itself >>> does not >>> >>> Kooka is better. >> And discontinued. >> >> >> Best regards :o) >> >> Johnny :o) > Kooka would not download? I have used it in the past and like it. Can you > advise further? Thanks! > Steven > Kooka has not been available since Hardy as it is old and not maintained, which is why I did not suggest it. Xsane has a lot of features, while Skanlite is a bit simpler in its interface. I usually install both clay weber From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 23:24:26 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:24:26 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908091811.06984.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908091800.30422.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908091811.06984.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200908101924.26130.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 09 August 2009 06:11:06 pm David McGlone wrote: > On Sunday 09 August 2009 06:00:30 pm Clay Weber wrote: > > On Sunday 09 August 2009 05:55:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > > I have tried to install sane so that I can scan. I have installed > > using > > > > Kpackagekit; I have installed using a CLI, and although it > > shows as > > > > installed, in Kpackagekit, it does not open when I Press Alt+F2 > > and enter > > > > sane. It does not show in the menu either. Thanks! > > > > > > Steven > > > > You need to install skanlite or Xsane for scanning, as sane itself > > does not > > Kooka is better. > > > -- > Blessings, > David M. > http://www.dmcentral.net I have a malformed line 62 in my /etc/apt/sources.list and don't know how to fix it. When I try to open that file, a window opens that I get when I open KpackageKit >Settings>Edit Software Sources. I can't seem to open the sources.list, and don't know what I am doing wrong. Steven From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Aug 11 01:48:52 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:48:52 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A80CE04.2000102@midmaine.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > I just attempted to install Kooka and got the above error message. I also got > the same error when attemtping "sudo apt-get install updates" and "sudo apt- > get install safe upgrades". When I attempt to open /etc/apt/sources.list, the > Kpackagekit application opens ubuntu software window. How are you opening /etc/apt/sources.list, with kate? You will need to use "kdesudo kate" to open and edit the file manually. please open it with kate, and paste the contents in your reply here Most likely you mis-typed a line when you added a new repository. Sometimes you can see the error by looking at the third-party repository section in kpackagekit, but your error is telling you the *exact* line that it can't understand so kate is probably the easier tool > In the box at the > bottom it says, "To install from a CD-ROM or DVD, insert the medium into the > drive". Do they mean the Jaunty installation CD, or what? Thanks! Ignore that > Steven > clay From jongleur at liripipe.com Tue Aug 11 02:27:31 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:27:31 -0700 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) =?iso-8859-1?q?=09E=3A_The_list_of_sources_could_not_be?= read. In-Reply-To: <4A80CE04.2000102@midmaine.com> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A80CE04.2000102@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908101927.32277.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Monday 10 August 2009 6:48:52 pm clay weber wrote: > How are you opening /etc/apt/sources.list, with kate? > You will need to use "kdesudo kate" to open and edit the file manually. Also if line numbers aren't showing when Kate opens hit the F11 key or check View->Show Line Numbers so you can find the right line to edit. If you don't know how to edit it post the line here, or to disable it just start the line with the pound sign '#' and save. John Vifian -- Real Users never use the help key. From john.j35 at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 04:31:02 2009 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:31:02 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908101924.26130.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908091800.30422.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908091811.06984.david@dmcentral.net> <200908101924.26130.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: > I have a malformed line 62 in my /etc/apt/sources.list and don't know how to > fix it.  When I try to open that file, a window opens that I get when I open > KpackageKit >Settings>Edit Software Sources.  I can't seem to open the > sources.list, and don't know what I am doing wrong. > Can you do a less sources.list from the CLI and post the result? -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From phantom21 at mindspring.com Tue Aug 11 05:41:41 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:41:41 -0400 Subject: Kernel panic after upgrade Message-ID: <200908110141.42126.phantom21@mindspring.com> I upgraded from 8.04 to 9.04 using the alternate CDROM method and the system now kernel panics. Here are the lines I get before the panic. Starting ... [ 1.919656] ACPI Invalid _PSD data [ 2.024321] Kernel panic - not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown - block(0,0) Never had to troubleshoot a kernel panic before. Is this having trouble with grub, or is the menu.lst entry incorrect in some way? The partition the root directory (and the subdirectory /boot) in hda5 and the root entry for the vmlinux kernel in the menu.lst is (hd0,4) If I'm understanding this correctly (not sure that I am), it's not getting the proper root and not getting the proper boot. If that's true, how do I fix it? I can access the filesystem and the partition and can edit any text configuration files. Any help is appreciated. Mark From kassube at gmx.net Tue Aug 11 06:09:14 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:09:14 +0200 Subject: Kernel panic after upgrade In-Reply-To: <200908110141.42126.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908110141.42126.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200908110809.14426.kassube@gmx.net> Mark Halegua wrote: > [ 2.024321] Kernel panic - not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs > on unknown - block(0,0) > > Never had to troubleshoot a kernel panic before. Is this having > trouble with grub, or is the menu.lst entry incorrect in some way? > The partition the root directory (and the subdirectory /boot) in hda5 > and the root entry for the vmlinux kernel in the menu.lst is (hd0,4) To me it looks like grub can find the kernel and has started it. But the kernel can't find the root device. Maybe there is a problem with the kernel line in the grub menu. It should be something like this: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-14-generic root=UUID=c8170ac2- d4a1-4edb-82f5-83c9f7c86c7e ro quiet splash If you don't have a UUID but something like "root=/dev/hda5" this may be the problem because it isn't guaranteed that disks always have the same device name (if you have more than one disk). Nils From myriam at kubuntu.org Tue Aug 11 06:34:25 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:34:25 +0200 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Hi Steven, On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 00:30, Steven Vollom wrote: > I just attempted to install Kooka and got the above error message.  I also got > the same error when attemtping "sudo apt-get install updates" and "sudo apt- > get install safe upgrades".  When I attempt to open /etc/apt/sources.list, the > Kpackagekit application opens ubuntu software window.  In the box at the > bottom it says, "To install from a CD-ROM or DVD, insert the medium into the > drive".  Do they mean the Jaunty installation CD, or what?  Thanks! Just a side note: why installing Kooka? It is not maintained anymore (and you have been told so in the other thread), you shouldn't install that but use skanlite instead. AFAIK you do *not* have a KDE 3.5.x on your computers... Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 07:19:51 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:19:51 +0200 Subject: Kernel panic after upgrade In-Reply-To: <200908110809.14426.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200908110141.42126.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908110809.14426.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Mark Halegua wrote: >> [ 2.024321] Kernel panic - not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs >> on unknown - block(0,0) >> >> Never had to troubleshoot a kernel panic before.  Is this having >> trouble with grub, or is the menu.lst entry incorrect in some way? >> The partition the root directory (and the subdirectory /boot) in hda5 >> and the root entry for the vmlinux kernel in the menu.lst is (hd0,4) > > To me it looks like grub can find the kernel and has started it. But the > kernel can't find the root device. Maybe there is a problem with the > kernel line in the grub menu. It should be something like this: > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-14-generic root=UUID=c8170ac2- > d4a1-4edb-82f5-83c9f7c86c7e ro quiet splash > > If you don't have a UUID but something like "root=/dev/hda5" this may be > the problem because it isn't guaranteed that disks always have the same > device name (if you have more than one disk). Disk devices is not named hda anymore, its sda for some kernel versions back. If your root was on hda5 try to replace it with sda5 in grub. The best way is as Nils wrote to use UUID for al your partitions. / Jonas From g.lip at gmx.com Tue Aug 11 07:17:22 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (g.lip at gmx.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:17:22 +0200 Subject: Kernel panic after upgrade Message-ID: <20090811072216.272000@gmx.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkourtev at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 09:53:02 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:53:02 +0300 Subject: Activities on virtual desktops Message-ID: <200908111253.02885.gkourtev@gmail.com> Dear all, I've read that with KDE 4.3 activities can now be tied to virtual desktops, allowing users to have different widgets on each of their desktops. However, I couldn't find the way to do it. Can anyone help? Thanks. gk From myriam at kubuntu.org Tue Aug 11 10:04:18 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:04:18 +0200 Subject: Activities on virtual desktops In-Reply-To: <200908111253.02885.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <200908111253.02885.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Georgi, On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:53, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Dear all, > > I've read that with KDE 4.3 activities can now be tied to virtual desktops, > allowing users to have different widgets on each of their desktops. However, I > couldn't find the way to do it. Can anyone help? Thanks. First you will have to add activities: 1. Click on the cashew icon in the upper right corner and choose "Zoom out" 2. If there is no such option, you will have to unlock the widgets first 3. one zoomed out, there is a menu in the upper right corner: choose "Add Activity" 4. AFAIK you can add at least 4 activities, and each has a menu at the bottom where you can change the display settings and add specific widgets. 5. Don't forget to add the "activity bar widget" to either all the activities or just your panel, and name the various desktop activities (I just numbered those 1.2. and 3) for the three I have, takes less space in the panel :) Have fun :) Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From tanghus at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 10:15:38 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:15:38 +0200 Subject: Akonadi Google Calendar resource? Message-ID: <200908111215.39016.tanghus@gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [kdepim-users] Akonadi Google Calendar resource? Date: Monday 10 August 2009 From: Ingo Klöcker To: kdepim-users at kde.org On Wednesday 05 August 2009, Thomas Olsen wrote: > Hi > > I just updated to KDE 4.3 from the backports repo in Kubuntu Jaunty. > I thought I'd read in the announcement that there would be an > "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" but I could not find any such > thing, neither in "System Setting=>Advanced=>Akonadi settings", nor > in the choice of resources in Kontact. > Have I misunderstood something or ..? The "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" is not part of the standard KDE PIM packages. So you will have to install it separately. Or maybe it is not yet available for Kubuntu Jaunty. I suggest asking at a Kubuntu mailing list if you cannot find it. Regards, Ingo -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen Til uvedkommende, der læser med: Der er ingen grund til at læse min mail. Jeg har intet at gøre med FARC, al-Jihad, al-Qaida, Hamas, Hizb al-Mujahidin eller ETA. Jeg har aldrig gjort Zakat, går ikke ind for Istishad, har ikke lavet en bilbombe eller kernevåben og jeg ved dårligt nok, hvad Al Manar og бомба betyder. Men tak for den udviste interesse From info at alvin.be Tue Aug 11 10:32:55 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:32:55 +0200 Subject: Akonadi Google Calendar resource? In-Reply-To: <200908111215.39016.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200908111215.39016.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908111232.57026.info@alvin.be> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:15:38 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > I just updated to KDE 4.3 from the backports repo in Kubuntu Jaunty. > > I thought I'd read in the announcement that there would be an > > "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" but I could not find any such > > thing, neither in "System Setting=>Advanced=>Akonadi settings", nor > > in the choice of resources in Kontact. > > Have I misunderstood something or ..? > > The "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" is not part of the standard KDE > PIM packages. So you will have to install it separately. Or maybe it is > not yet available for Kubuntu Jaunty. I suggest asking at a Kubuntu > mailing list if you cannot find it. Take a look at bug #380245 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245 From tanghus at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 10:57:41 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:57:41 +0200 Subject: Akonadi Google Calendar resource? In-Reply-To: <200908111232.57026.info@alvin.be> References: <200908111215.39016.tanghus@gmail.com> <200908111232.57026.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200908111257.42181.tanghus@gmail.com> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:32:55 Alvin wrote: > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:15:38 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > > I just updated to KDE 4.3 from the backports repo in Kubuntu Jaunty. > > > I thought I'd read in the announcement that there would be an > > > "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" but I could not find any such > > > thing, neither in "System Setting=>Advanced=>Akonadi settings", nor > > > in the choice of resources in Kontact. > > > Have I misunderstood something or ..? > > > > The "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" is not part of the standard KDE > > PIM packages. So you will have to install it separately. Or maybe it is > > not yet available for Kubuntu Jaunty. I suggest asking at a Kubuntu > > mailing list if you cannot find it. > > Take a look at bug #380245 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245 Thanks. I did install libgcal0_0.9.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb. Do you have a deb link for the ppa mentioned in: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245/comments/8 ? -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen Til uvedkommende, der læser med: Der er ingen grund til at læse min mail. Jeg har intet at gøre med FARC, al-Jihad, al-Qaida, Hamas, Hizb al-Mujahidin eller ETA. Jeg har aldrig gjort Zakat, går ikke ind for Istishad, har ikke lavet en bilbombe eller kernevåben og jeg ved dårligt nok, hvad Al Manar og бомба betyder. Men tak for den udviste interesse From david at dmcentral.net Tue Aug 11 12:50:04 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:50:04 -0400 Subject: Gimp shutting off monitor In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908041310x5a0d1d41xf9fd2bcec0851757@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908032105.14042.david@dmcentral.net> <3dde113c0908041310x5a0d1d41xf9fd2bcec0851757@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908110850.04853.david@dmcentral.net> On Tuesday 04 August 2009 04:10:11 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:05 PM, David McGlone wrote: > > Today I was editing a photo in the Gimp, and my monitor completely shut > > off. I > > couldn't use any keys on my keyboard to switch to a console nor could I > > use ctrl+alt+del to reboot the computer. All I could do was do a hard > > reset using > > the power button. > > Probably a stupid question, but ... > > How do you know you couldn't switch to a console if your monitor was off? True, but if I turned it back on, it would immediately shut back off. > > And have you used Ctrl-Alt-Del before with the monitor off, so you know all the keystrokes? Never thought about that. > > The reason I ask, is I had a monitor that turned off when the screensaver came on. And turning the monitor off and on didn't do anything. So I learned the keystrokes for Ctrl-Alt-Del, so I could try Logout, Suspend, etc. Pretty much all of them worked for me to get the monitor back on. I'll try that next time it happens. (If it does) What I've done so far to try and isolate the problem was switch off desktop effects and used gimp extensively I haven't had the problem so far. -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From info at alvin.be Tue Aug 11 13:00:16 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:00:16 +0200 Subject: Akonadi Google Calendar resource? In-Reply-To: <200908111257.42181.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200908111215.39016.tanghus@gmail.com> <200908111232.57026.info@alvin.be> <200908111257.42181.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908111500.17265.info@alvin.be> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:57:41 Thomas Olsen wrote: > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:32:55 Alvin wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:15:38 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > > > I just updated to KDE 4.3 from the backports repo in Kubuntu Jaunty. > > > > I thought I'd read in the announcement that there would be an > > > > "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" but I could not find any such > > > > thing, neither in "System Setting=>Advanced=>Akonadi settings", nor > > > > in the choice of resources in Kontact. > > > > Have I misunderstood something or ..? > > > > > > The "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" is not part of the standard KDE > > > PIM packages. So you will have to install it separately. Or maybe it is > > > not yet available for Kubuntu Jaunty. I suggest asking at a Kubuntu > > > mailing list if you cannot find it. > > > > Take a look at bug #380245 > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245 > > Thanks. I did install libgcal0_0.9.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb. Do you have a deb > link for the ppa mentioned in: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245/comments/8 ? Yes, you'll find his packages here: https://launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa Good luck! From tanghus at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 14:55:55 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:55:55 +0200 Subject: Akonadi Google Calendar resource? In-Reply-To: <200908111500.17265.info@alvin.be> References: <200908111215.39016.tanghus@gmail.com> <200908111257.42181.tanghus@gmail.com> <200908111500.17265.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200908111655.55985.tanghus@gmail.com> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 15:00:16 Alvin wrote: > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:57:41 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:32:55 Alvin wrote: > > > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:15:38 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > > > > I just updated to KDE 4.3 from the backports repo in Kubuntu > > > > > Jaunty. I thought I'd read in the announcement that there would be > > > > > an "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" but I could not find any such > > > > > thing, neither in "System Setting=>Advanced=>Akonadi settings", nor > > > > > in the choice of resources in Kontact. > > > > > Have I misunderstood something or ..? > > > > > > > > The "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" is not part of the standard > > > > KDE PIM packages. So you will have to install it separately. Or maybe > > > > it is not yet available for Kubuntu Jaunty. I suggest asking at a > > > > Kubuntu mailing list if you cannot find it. > > > > > > Take a look at bug #380245 > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245 > > > > Thanks. I did install libgcal0_0.9.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb. Do you have a deb > > link for the ppa mentioned in: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245/comments/8 ? > > Yes, you'll find his packages here: > https://launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa > > Good luck! Thanks again. I always forget how to get the proper signatures: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 21DE088B462D2245 -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen Til uvedkommende, der læser med: Der er ingen grund til at læse min mail. Jeg har intet at gøre med FARC, al-Jihad, al-Qaida, Hamas, Hizb al-Mujahidin eller ETA. Jeg har aldrig gjort Zakat, går ikke ind for Istishad, har ikke lavet en bilbombe eller kernevåben og jeg ved dårligt nok, hvad Al Manar og бомба betyder. Men tak for den udviste interesse From tanghus at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 14:58:46 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:58:46 +0200 Subject: Akonadi Google Calendar resource? In-Reply-To: <200908111500.17265.info@alvin.be> References: <200908111215.39016.tanghus@gmail.com> <200908111257.42181.tanghus@gmail.com> <200908111500.17265.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200908111658.46531.tanghus@gmail.com> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 15:00:16 Alvin wrote: > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:57:41 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:32:55 Alvin wrote: > > > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:15:38 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > > > > I just updated to KDE 4.3 from the backports repo in Kubuntu > > > > > Jaunty. I thought I'd read in the announcement that there would be > > > > > an "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" but I could not find any such > > > > > thing, neither in "System Setting=>Advanced=>Akonadi settings", nor > > > > > in the choice of resources in Kontact. > > > > > Have I misunderstood something or ..? > > > > > > > > The "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" is not part of the standard > > > > KDE PIM packages. So you will have to install it separately. Or maybe > > > > it is not yet available for Kubuntu Jaunty. I suggest asking at a > > > > Kubuntu mailing list if you cannot find it. > > > > > > Take a look at bug #380245 > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245 > > > > Thanks. I did install libgcal0_0.9.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb. Do you have a deb > > link for the ppa mentioned in: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245/comments/8 ? > > Yes, you'll find his packages here: > https://launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa > > Good luck! BTW all I get is: tol at tanghus:~$ aptitude search google p calendar-google-provider - Google Calendar support for iceowl, sunbird, lighting- and iceowl-extension p google-gadgets-common - Common files for QT and GTK+ versions of google-gadgets p google-gadgets-gst - GStreamer Module for Google Gadgets p google-gadgets-gtk - GTK+ Version of Google Gadgets p google-gadgets-qt - QT4 version of Google Gadgets p google-gadgets-xul - XULRunner module for Google Gadgets p google-sitemapgen - sitemap generator for Google Sitemap p googleearth - Google Earth - binary files p googleearth-data - Google Earth - data files p googleearth-package - utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth p libgdata-google1.2-1 - Client library for accessing Google POA through SOAP interface p libgdata-google1.2-dev - Client library for accessing Google POA (development files) p libgoogle-collections-java - suite of collections and related goodies for Java 5.0 p libgoogle-perftools-dev - libraries for CPU and heap analysis, plus an efficient thread-caching malloc p libgoogle-perftools0 - libraries for CPU and heap analysis, plus an efficient thread-caching malloc p libjifty-plugin-googlemap-perl - Jifty plugin to add GoogleMap widgets p libnet-google-perl - Simple OOP-ish interface to the Google SOAP API p libwww-google-calculator-perl - Perl interface for Google calculator p opensync-plugin-google-calendar - Opensync Google Calendar plugin p prism-google-analytics - Google Analytics WebApp for Prism p prism-google-calendar - Google Calendar WebApp for Prism p prism-google-docs - Google Docs WebApp for Prism p prism-google-groups - Google Groups WebApp for Prism p prism-google-mail - Google Mail (GMail) WebApp for Prism p prism-google-reader - Google Reader WebApp for Prism p prism-google-talk - Google Talk WebApp for Prism p python-pygooglechart - Complete wrapper for the Google Chart API Which is the one in question? -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen Til uvedkommende, der læser med: Der er ingen grund til at læse min mail. Jeg har intet at gøre med FARC, al-Jihad, al-Qaida, Hamas, Hizb al-Mujahidin eller ETA. Jeg har aldrig gjort Zakat, går ikke ind for Istishad, har ikke lavet en bilbombe eller kernevåben og jeg ved dårligt nok, hvad Al Manar og бомба betyder. Men tak for den udviste interesse From tanghus at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 15:04:31 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:04:31 +0200 Subject: Akonadi Google Calendar resource? In-Reply-To: <200908111658.46531.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200908111215.39016.tanghus@gmail.com> <200908111500.17265.info@alvin.be> <200908111658.46531.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908111704.31353.tanghus@gmail.com> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 16:58:46 Thomas Olsen wrote: > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 15:00:16 Alvin wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:57:41 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:32:55 Alvin wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:15:38 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > > > > > I just updated to KDE 4.3 from the backports repo in Kubuntu > > > > > > Jaunty. I thought I'd read in the announcement that there would > > > > > > be an "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" but I could not find any > > > > > > such thing, neither in "System Setting=>Advanced=>Akonadi > > > > > > settings", nor in the choice of resources in Kontact. > > > > > > Have I misunderstood something or ..? > > > > > > > > > > The "Akonadi Google Calendar resource" is not part of the standard > > > > > KDE PIM packages. So you will have to install it separately. Or > > > > > maybe it is not yet available for Kubuntu Jaunty. I suggest asking > > > > > at a Kubuntu mailing list if you cannot find it. > > > > > > > > Take a look at bug #380245 > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245 > > > > > > Thanks. I did install libgcal0_0.9.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb. Do you have a > > > deb link for the ppa mentioned in: > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/380245/comments/8 ? > > > > Yes, you'll find his packages here: > > https://launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa > > > > Good luck! > > BTW all I get is: > tol at tanghus:~$ aptitude search google > p calendar-google-provider > - Google Calendar support for iceowl, sunbird, lighting- and > iceowl-extension p google-gadgets-common > - Common files for QT and GTK+ versions of google-gadgets > p google-gadgets-gst > - GStreamer Module for Google Gadgets > p google-gadgets-gtk > - GTK+ Version of Google Gadgets > p google-gadgets-qt > - QT4 version of Google Gadgets > p google-gadgets-xul > - XULRunner module for Google Gadgets > p google-sitemapgen > - sitemap generator for Google Sitemap > p googleearth > - Google Earth - binary files > p googleearth-data > - Google Earth - data files > p googleearth-package > - utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth > p libgdata-google1.2-1 > - Client library for accessing Google POA through SOAP interface > p libgdata-google1.2-dev > - Client library for accessing Google POA (development files) > p libgoogle-collections-java > - suite of collections and related goodies for Java 5.0 > p libgoogle-perftools-dev > - libraries for CPU and heap analysis, plus an efficient thread-caching > malloc p libgoogle-perftools0 > - libraries for CPU and heap analysis, plus an efficient > thread-caching malloc p libjifty-plugin-googlemap-perl > - Jifty plugin to add GoogleMap widgets > p libnet-google-perl > - Simple OOP-ish interface to the Google SOAP API > p libwww-google-calculator-perl > - Perl interface for Google calculator > p opensync-plugin-google-calendar > - Opensync Google Calendar plugin > p prism-google-analytics > - Google Analytics WebApp for Prism > p prism-google-calendar > - Google Calendar WebApp for Prism > p prism-google-docs > - Google Docs WebApp for Prism > p prism-google-groups > - Google Groups WebApp for Prism > p prism-google-mail > - Google Mail (GMail) WebApp for Prism > p prism-google-reader > - Google Reader WebApp for Prism > p prism-google-talk > - Google Talk WebApp for Prism > p python-pygooglechart > - Complete wrapper for the Google Chart API > > Which is the one in question? Forget this. I installed akonadi-resource- googledata_0.0+svn983012-0ubuntu1_i386.deb and will test it later. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen Til uvedkommende, der læser med: Der er ingen grund til at læse min mail. Jeg har intet at gøre med FARC, al-Jihad, al-Qaida, Hamas, Hizb al-Mujahidin eller ETA. Jeg har aldrig gjort Zakat, går ikke ind for Istishad, har ikke lavet en bilbombe eller kernevåben og jeg ved dårligt nok, hvad Al Manar og бомба betyder. Men tak for den udviste interesse From jonas at chown.dk Tue Aug 11 19:06:46 2009 From: jonas at chown.dk (Jonas Pedersen) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:06:46 +0200 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages In-Reply-To: <880dece00908101250h367d3e87x9c359e6231a637af@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> <880dece00908070801u7b68b529h56a347d9ddcd308@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C8C87.2070500@chown.dk> <880dece00908090312i2e99a0e3m7d338851fde77305@mail.gmail.com> <4A8000EA.4010204@chown.dk> <4A80665E.3000101@chown.dk> <880dece00908101250h367d3e87x9c359e6231a637af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A81C146.10004@chown.dk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dotan Cohen wrote: >>>> Can you please post your content of /etc/apt/sources. Thanks. >>> That would be .../sources.list and .../sources.list.d/*.list >> Thanks for correcting me :-) Was not in front of a Linux installation at >> that time. >> >> > > jaunty2 at laptop:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list > # This file makes sure that Opera Browser is kept up-to-date > # as part of regular system upgrades > > deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free > > # The line above will make sure you get all final public releases. > # Uncomment the following line if you want to get alpha and beta > # releases, too. > > # deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-beta/ stable non-free > > # In a similar way, uncomment the line below if you want all public > # snapshots. > > # deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-snapshot/ stable non-free > jaunty2 at laptop:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list > deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main > jaunty2 at laptop:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list > ## Medibuntu - Ubuntu 8.10 "intrepid ibex" > ## Please report any bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/ > deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free > #deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ intrepid free non-free > jaunty2 at laptop:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list > # > # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_ - Release i386 > (20090420.1)]/ jaunty main restricted > > #deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_ - Release i386 > (20090420.1)]/ jaunty main restricted > # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to > # newer versions of the distribution. > > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted > > ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the > ## distribution. > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates main restricted > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates main restricted > > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu > ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any > ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team. > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty universe > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty universe > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates universe > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates universe > > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu > ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to > ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in > ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu > ## security team. > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty multiverse > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty multiverse > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates multiverse > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates multiverse > > ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' > ## repository. > ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as > ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes > ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. > ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review > ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main > restricted universe multiverse > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main > restricted universe multiverse > > ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's > ## 'partner' repository. > ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the > ## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users. > deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner > deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner > > deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security main restricted > deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security main restricted > deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security universe > deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security universe > deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security multiverse > deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security multiverse > > # OOo 3.1 > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main > > # SMplayer > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/mplayer/ubuntu jaunty main > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/mplayer/ubuntu jaunty main > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/smplayer/ubuntu jaunty main > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/smplayer/ubuntu jaunty main > > # Newest KDE release > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main > > # Virtual Box > deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian jaunty non-free > > jaunty2 at laptop:~$ I don't see any entry for "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty main restricted universe multiverse" in your list. You need to add that one to the list to get the debug symbols for most of the packages. - -- Jonas Pedersen - jonas - at - jope.eu / http://jope.eu Online picture gallery at http://pictureshow.dk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkqBwUMACgkQp8ze5q5EBA/i+QCgq5bMbSFK39Qs6I7Ea7ZKCDrc OhYAnj/NAfGQvBn5n503K47T8mg/pFUM =vi3Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Tue Aug 11 19:08:32 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:08:32 +0100 Subject: KPlayer crash on quit Message-ID: <4A81C1B0.5070006@btinternet.com> Ever since I started using KPlayer, it completely repeatably calls the KDE crash handler on clicking top right button or quit, also generates the KDE crash handler when 'K>leave>shutdown or restart, if KPlayer was running. I've sent in 2 reports via KPlayer itself and one via kplayer . sourceforge.net(#2830875) but have had no feedback from any of them. I did notice that the last bug fix for KPlayer was 2007-03-10. Am I being too impatient, is nobody at sourceforge actively working on KPlayer. How do I find out what progress I can expect. It's not a disastrous fault, just a bit annoying, especially as it hangs the shutdown application(overnight in one case). brian From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 20:00:38 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:00:38 +0200 Subject: Akonadi Google Calendar resource? In-Reply-To: <200908111658.46531.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200908111215.39016.tanghus@gmail.com> <200908111257.42181.tanghus@gmail.com> <200908111500.17265.info@alvin.be> <200908111658.46531.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Thomas Olsen wrote: > BTW all I get is: > tol at tanghus:~$ aptitude search google > p   calendar-google-provider                                               - > Google Calendar support for iceowl, sunbird, lighting- and iceowl-extension > p   google-gadgets-common                                                  - > Common files for QT and GTK+ versions of google-gadgets > p   google-gadgets-gst                                                     - > GStreamer Module for Google Gadgets > p   google-gadgets-gtk                                                     - > GTK+ Version of Google Gadgets > p   google-gadgets-qt                                                      - > QT4 version of Google Gadgets > p   google-gadgets-xul                                                     - > XULRunner module for Google Gadgets > p   google-sitemapgen                                                      - > sitemap generator for Google Sitemap > p   googleearth                                                            - > Google Earth - binary files > p   googleearth-data                                                       - > Google Earth - data files > p   googleearth-package                                                    - > utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth > p   libgdata-google1.2-1                                                   - > Client library for accessing Google POA through SOAP interface > p   libgdata-google1.2-dev                                                 - > Client library for accessing Google POA (development files) > p   libgoogle-collections-java                                             - > suite of collections and related goodies for Java 5.0 > p   libgoogle-perftools-dev                                                - > libraries for CPU and heap analysis, plus an efficient thread-caching malloc > p   libgoogle-perftools0                                                   - > libraries for CPU and heap analysis, plus an efficient thread-caching malloc > p   libjifty-plugin-googlemap-perl                                         - > Jifty plugin to add GoogleMap widgets > p   libnet-google-perl                                                     - > Simple OOP-ish interface to the Google SOAP API > p   libwww-google-calculator-perl                                          - > Perl interface for Google calculator > p   opensync-plugin-google-calendar                                        - > Opensync Google Calendar plugin > p   prism-google-analytics                                                 - > Google Analytics WebApp for Prism > p   prism-google-calendar                                                  - > Google Calendar WebApp for Prism > p   prism-google-docs                                                      - > Google Docs WebApp for Prism > p   prism-google-groups                                                    - > Google Groups WebApp for Prism > p   prism-google-mail                                                      - > Google Mail (GMail) WebApp for Prism > p   prism-google-reader                                                    - > Google Reader WebApp for Prism > p   prism-google-talk                                                      - > Google Talk WebApp for Prism > p   python-pygooglechart                                                   - > Complete wrapper for the Google Chart API > > Which is the one in question? > Thats because there are no package for Jaunty in that PPA only for Karmic. / Jonas From phantom21 at mindspring.com Wed Aug 12 03:16:34 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:16:34 -0400 Subject: Kernel panic after upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <200908110141.42126.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908110809.14426.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908112316.35524.phantom21@mindspring.com> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 03:19:51 am Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > > Mark Halegua wrote: > >> [ 2.024321] Kernel panic - not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs > >> on unknown - block(0,0) > >> > >> Never had to troubleshoot a kernel panic before.  Is this having > >> trouble with grub, or is the menu.lst entry incorrect in some way? > >> The partition the root directory (and the subdirectory /boot) in hda5 > >> and the root entry for the vmlinux kernel in the menu.lst is (hd0,4) > > > > To me it looks like grub can find the kernel and has started it. But the > > kernel can't find the root device. Maybe there is a problem with the > > kernel line in the grub menu. It should be something like this: > > > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-14-generic root=UUID=c8170ac2- > > d4a1-4edb-82f5-83c9f7c86c7e ro quiet splash > > > > If you don't have a UUID but something like "root=/dev/hda5" this may be > > the problem because it isn't guaranteed that disks always have the same > > device name (if you have more than one disk). > > Disk devices is not named hda anymore, its sda for some kernel versions > back. If your root was on hda5 try to replace it with sda5 in grub. The > best way is as Nils wrote to use UUID for al your partitions. > > / Jonas You are correct, it is sda.   The menu.lst does show a UUID for the disk/partition.  However, there is no line for initrd, and in looking at the /boot directory, there is no initrd file for the new kernel for 9.04.  Is this something wrong with the kubuntu 9.04 upgrade?  If so, how do I fix it? Mark From kassube at gmx.net Wed Aug 12 06:27:19 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:27:19 +0200 Subject: Kernel panic after upgrade In-Reply-To: <200908112316.35524.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908110141.42126.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908112316.35524.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200908120827.20046.kassube@gmx.net> Mark Halegua wrote: > The menu.lst does show a UUID for the disk/partition. However, there > is no line for initrd, and in looking at the /boot directory, there > is no initrd file for the new kernel for 9.04. Is this something > wrong with the kubuntu 9.04 upgrade? If so, how do I fix it? I don't think it is possible to have a 9.04 system which doesn't require an initrd, so maybe something went wrong with your upgrade. Anyway, there should be an entry for the previous kernel in your menu.lst. I would boot with the previous kernel and try what happens if you use the commands sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade in a terminal. If there is no error, reinstall the kernel with the missing initrd. Nils From mickrulist at voipfuture.com Wed Aug 12 06:50:02 2009 From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:50:02 +0200 Subject: Unable to edit shortcut link name to application in plasma folder view Message-ID: <4A82661A.6000502@voipfuture.com> Hi, I upgraded to KDE 4.3 on jaunty. I have a plasma desktop folder view on my desktop and use it to hold launch icons for my favorite applications. Prior to the upgrade there was no problem when creating a new shortcut. After the upgrade to 4.3 the following problem occurs: 1) Right click in the folder view and select: "Create new... link to application" 2) A dialog appears in which you can select on the general tab an icon, and name for the link. For me it is not possible to edit the text on the general tab. The work around I have found is that you have to create the link after specifying all required fields on the application tab (there the text fields do work) and save the link. After that you can right click on the icon in the folder view and change the link name on the general tab when choosing properties in the context menu. However does someone know how to fix this behavior? It should be possible to edit the link name on the general tab right away. Regards, Michael From phantom21 at mindspring.com Wed Aug 12 07:14:05 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:14:05 -0400 Subject: Kernel panic after upgrade In-Reply-To: <200908120827.20046.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200908110141.42126.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908112316.35524.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908120827.20046.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908120314.05255.phantom21@mindspring.com> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 02:27:19 am Nils Kassube wrote: > Mark Halegua wrote: > > The menu.lst does show a UUID for the disk/partition. However, there > > is no line for initrd, and in looking at the /boot directory, there > > is no initrd file for the new kernel for 9.04. Is this something > > wrong with the kubuntu 9.04 upgrade? If so, how do I fix it? > > I don't think it is possible to have a 9.04 system which doesn't require > an initrd, so maybe something went wrong with your upgrade. Anyway, > there should be an entry for the previous kernel in your menu.lst. I > would boot with the previous kernel and try what happens if you use the > commands > > sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get upgrade > > in a terminal. If there is no error, reinstall the kernel with the > missing initrd. > > > Nils Is there  wayfor me to manually copy an appropriate initrd to the /boot directory?  I know I can edit the menu.lst to include it. And I tried to boot with the previous kernel.  It won't boot, probably because xorg.conf was modified for 9.04 and the previous video driver was changed to something generic.  It did inform me it didn't have a lglfx version for 9.04. Mark From kassube at gmx.net Wed Aug 12 08:20:54 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:20:54 +0200 Subject: Kernel panic after upgrade In-Reply-To: <200908120314.05255.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908110141.42126.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908120827.20046.kassube@gmx.net> <200908120314.05255.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200908121020.54377.kassube@gmx.net> Mark Halegua wrote: > Is there wayfor me to manually copy an appropriate initrd to the > /boot directory? I know I can edit the menu.lst to include it. AFAIK the initrd file is generated during the installation of the kernel image package with the modules needed by your system. Therefore I don't think you can use the initrd file from another system unless it has similar hardware. > And I tried to boot with the previous kernel. It won't boot, > probably because xorg.conf was modified for 9.04 and the previous > video driver was changed to something generic. It did inform me it > didn't have a lglfx version for 9.04. I'm not familiar with lglfx but I would expect it not to be needed for a text login. Therefore you could use the recovery mode of the previous kernel. Use the option with a name like "root shell" and then try to generate the initrd file for the current kernel with this command: update-initramfs -k all -c It should make initrd files for all installed kernels. If you know the correct version of the 9.04 kernel you could replace the "all" in the command with the version to generate only that single initrd file. Then you should run the command update-grub to update the menu.lst file with the new information of the initrd file. Nils From mirtosilvio.busico at fastwebnet.it Wed Aug 12 13:09:40 2009 From: mirtosilvio.busico at fastwebnet.it (Mirto Silvio Busico) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:09:40 +0200 Subject: metapackage for ldap server Message-ID: <4A82BF14.1070705@fastwebnet.it> Hi all, there is any meta-package to install all required packages to authenticate users against an ldap server? I need an ldap server that is used for the local login, for apache for samba and for an application server (like Plone). Thanks Mirto -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem is not that it can't find the root partition (or at least, not only - I can modify that in grub and get a slightly different error). It doesn't find the filesystem drivers. I'm betting your root FS is not ext2/3. Damn. I see Nils has suggested essentially this, and hasn't even had to fix the problem himself! Good call Nils. I would suggest not using the "-k all" option, though, because you don't want to risk breaking the kernel you _have_ managed to boot from. -- derek From pwhite at bluewin.ch Wed Aug 12 15:18:32 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:18:32 +0200 Subject: Dolphin reluctant display right icon Message-ID: <200908121718.32614.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Hi, Only a very minor annoyance on KUbuntu Hardy. I use Dolphin in 'Details mode' When I open, say '/bin', all the icons are displayed as a paper sheet. (On the information pane at right the cogwheel or shell script icon displays OK for files under the cursor) I belive only the icons for exe and shell script without the '.sh' are concerned, other icons display normally. I only have to use 'Icons mode' and switch back to 'Details mode' and the correct mini icons are restored, for that folder, and for that Dolphin session. I tried googling, no luck. Has anyone observed this behaviour? Know of a cure? Thanks Perry -- BOFH excuse #56: Electricians made popcorn in the power supply From phantom21 at mindspring.com Wed Aug 12 19:06:58 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:06:58 -0400 Subject: Kernel panic after upgrade In-Reply-To: <3b1bl6-2hi.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> References: <200908110141.42126.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908120314.05255.phantom21@mindspring.com> <3b1bl6-2hi.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200908121506.59131.> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 10:48:35 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Mark Halegua wrote: > > And I tried to boot with the previous kernel. It won't boot, probably > > because xorg.conf was modified for 9.04 and the previous video driver was > > changed to something generic. It did inform me it didn't have a lglfx > > version for 9.04. > > > > Mark > > Boot to your previous kernel in recovery mode. You don't need X. Run: > > # sudo update-initramfs -k CURRENT-KERNEL > > It can't hurt, and works for me. This has happened to me 4 times so far. > The problem is not that it can't find the root partition (or at least, not > only - I can modify that in grub and get a slightly different error). It > doesn't find the filesystem drivers. I'm betting your root FS is not > ext2/3. > > Damn. I see Nils has suggested essentially this, and hasn't even had to > fix the problem himself! Good call Nils. I would suggest not using the > "-k all" option, though, because you don't want to risk breaking the kernel > you _have_ managed to boot from. > -- > derek Thanks to Nils and Derek. I have fixed the system and it now boots properly. The command "sudo update- initramfs -k KERNEL" (with the kernel file specified) didn't work. Neither would it work with the -c What did it was, after attempting an apt-get update, I was told I had to first to a "sudo dpkg --configure -a" which would reset the apt-get system. Doing this actually went through and did everything, including creating the initrd file and updating grub. Now I only have to get used to the new desktop. I almost wish I still had KDE 3.5. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 12 20:12:27 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:12:27 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908101924.26130.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908121612.27460.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:31:02 am John Pierce wrote: > > I have a malformed line 62 in my /etc/apt/sources.list and don't know how > > to fix it. When I try to open that file, a window opens that I get when > > I open KpackageKit >Settings>Edit Software Sources. I can't seem to open > > the sources.list, and don't know what I am doing wrong. > > Can you do a less sources.list from the CLI and post the result? > > > -- > John > Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > http://counter.li.org steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list sources.list: No such file or directory steven at Yeshua:~$ From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 12 20:29:09 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:29:09 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908121629.09297.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 02:34:25 am Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Steven, > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 00:30, Steven Vollom wrote: > > I just attempted to install Kooka and got the above error message. I > > also got the same error when attemtping "sudo apt-get install updates" > > and "sudo apt- get install safe upgrades". When I attempt to open > > /etc/apt/sources.list, the Kpackagekit application opens ubuntu software > > window. In the box at the bottom it says, "To install from a CD-ROM or > > DVD, insert the medium into the drive". Do they mean the Jaunty > > installation CD, or what? Thanks! > > Just a side note: why installing Kooka? It is not maintained anymore > (and you have been told so in the other thread), you shouldn't install > that but use skanlite instead. AFAIK you do *not* have a KDE 3.5.x on > your computers... > > > Regards, Myriam. > -- > Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: > http://www.fsfe.org > Please don't send me proprietary file formats, > use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) A response that followed made the suggestion. Said it worked better. No, I have kde 4.2.2, and have for a long time. On the other computer, I have 4.3 Rc3, but I don't often spend much time in Karmic, because the computer is so slow. I still have the following to contend with before I can install skanlite, and I don't know how to do it: steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list sources.list: No such file or directory steven at Yeshua:~$ sudo apt-get install skanlite [sudo] password for steven: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. steven at Yeshua:~$ Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 12 20:38:47 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:38:47 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A80A46F.7050609@midmaine.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908101837.14617.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A80A46F.7050609@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908121638.47591.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Monday 10 August 2009 06:51:27 pm clay weber wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Monday 10 August 2009 03:45:02 am Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > >> Mandag den 10. august 2009 kvad David McGlone: > >>> On Sunday 09 August 2009 06:00:30 pm Clay Weber wrote: > >>>> On Sunday 09 August 2009 05:55:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >>>>> I have tried to install sane so that I can scan. I have > >>>>> installed > >>> > >>> using > >>> > >>>>> Kpackagekit; I have installed using a CLI, and although it > >>> > >>> shows as > >>> > >>>>> installed, in Kpackagekit, it does not open when I Press Alt+F2 > >>> > >>> and enter > >>> > >>>>> sane. It does not show in the menu either. Thanks! > >>>>> > >>>>> Steven > >>>> > >>>> You need to install skanlite or Xsane for scanning, as sane > >>>> itself > >>> > >>> does not > >>> > >>> Kooka is better. > >> > >> And discontinued. > >> > >> > >> Best regards :o) > >> > >> Johnny :o) > > > > Kooka would not download? I have used it in the past and like it. Can > > you advise further? Thanks! > > Steven > > Kooka has not been available since Hardy as it is old and not > maintained, which is why I did not suggest it. Xsane has a lot of > features, while Skanlite is a bit simpler in its interface. I usually > install both > > > clay weber steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list sources.list: No such file or directory steven at Yeshua:~$ sudo apt-get install skanlite [sudo] password for steven: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. steven at Yeshua:~$ Do you know how to fix this? Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 12 20:45:37 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:45:37 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) =?iso-8859-1?q?=09E=3A_The_list_of_sources_could_not_be?= read. In-Reply-To: <200908101927.32277.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A80CE04.2000102@midmaine.com> <200908101927.32277.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908121645.37119.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Monday 10 August 2009 10:27:31 pm John L Vifian wrote: > On Monday 10 August 2009 6:48:52 pm clay weber wrote: > > How are you opening /etc/apt/sources.list, with kate? > > You will need to use "kdesudo kate" to open and edit the file manually. > > Also if line numbers aren't showing when Kate opens hit the F11 key or > check View->Show Line Numbers so you can find the right line to edit. > > If you don't know how to edit it post the line here, or to disable it just > start the line with the pound sign '#' and save. > > > John Vifian > -- > Real Users never use the help key. Dear John, When I attempt to open /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens the gui software sources. How do I make it open in a CLI, I suspect that will procuce line 62. Thanks! Steven From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 20:49:27 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:49:27 +0200 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908121629.09297.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121629.09297.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908122249.27740.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Okay, I'll bite...This is like Groundhog Day- > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > sources.list: No such file or directory That's because you are in the wrong directory. The wrong place. You are standing in Texas and looking for London. How to find the right place? Use your eyes: > E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) Bingo! /etc/apt/ is the place. Easy no? So, go there: steven at Yeshua:~$ cd /etc/apt Then use less: steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list I'm done. \d From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 12 20:55:50 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:50 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) =?iso-8859-1?q?=09E=3A_The_list_of_sources_could_not_be?= read. In-Reply-To: <4A80CE04.2000102@midmaine.com> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A80CE04.2000102@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908121655.50726.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Monday 10 August 2009 09:48:52 pm clay weber wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > I just attempted to install Kooka and got the above error message. I > > also got the same error when attemtping "sudo apt-get install updates" > > and "sudo apt- get install safe upgrades". When I attempt to open > > /etc/apt/sources.list, the Kpackagekit application opens ubuntu software > > window. > > How are you opening /etc/apt/sources.list, with kate? > You will need to use "kdesudo kate" to open and edit the file manually. > > please open it with kate, and paste the contents in your reply here > > Most likely you mis-typed a line when you added a new repository. > Sometimes you can see the error by looking at the third-party repository > section in kpackagekit, but your error is telling you the *exact* line > that it can't understand so kate is probably the easier tool > > > In the box at the > > bottom it says, "To install from a CD-ROM or DVD, insert the medium into > > the drive". Do they mean the Jaunty installation CD, or what? Thanks! > > Ignore that > > > Steven > > clay Dear Clay, I typed this into the CLI: kdesudo kate /sources.lst. It opened kate and had sources.lst in the left column, but the page otherwise was blank. I could not see line 62 at all or any other printed data. I must be doing something wrong. Steven Steven From claydoh at midmaine.com Wed Aug 12 21:01:09 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:01:09 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908121645.37119.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908101927.32277.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908121645.37119.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908121701.10174.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 04:45:37 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > On Monday 10 August 2009 10:27:31 pm John L Vifian wrote: > > On Monday 10 August 2009 6:48:52 pm clay weber wrote: > > > How are you opening /etc/apt/sources.list, with kate? > > > You will need to use "kdesudo kate" to open and edit the file manually. > > > > Also if line numbers aren't showing when Kate opens hit the F11 key or > > check View->Show Line Numbers so you can find the right line to edit. > > > > If you don't know how to edit it post the line here, or to disable it > > just start the line with the pound sign '#' and save. > > > > > > John Vifian > > -- > > Real Users never use the help key. > > Dear John, > > When I attempt to open /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens the gui software > sources. How do I make it open in a CLI, I suspect that will procuce line > 62. > > Thanks! > > Steven I already told you what to do earlier: use kate to open the file, but you will need to use kdesudo: use either a terminal window, or the handy alt-F2 keystroke to open krunner, and enter: 'kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list' Then post the entire contents of the file here so we can look at the entire file for possible errors -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 12 21:03:12 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:03:12 -0400 Subject: Command line problems. Message-ID: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> When I attempt to install anything, I get an error that line 52 is malformed. When I attempt to open Kate to read line 52 of /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens in Kate with no data in the page. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 12 21:06:35 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:06:35 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908121701.10174.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121645.37119.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121701.10174.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908121706.35200.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:01:09 pm Clay Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 04:45:37 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Monday 10 August 2009 10:27:31 pm John L Vifian wrote: > > > On Monday 10 August 2009 6:48:52 pm clay weber wrote: > > > > How are you opening /etc/apt/sources.list, with kate? > > > > You will need to use "kdesudo kate" to open and edit the file > > > > manually. > > > > > > Also if line numbers aren't showing when Kate opens hit the F11 key or > > > check View->Show Line Numbers so you can find the right line to edit. > > > > > > If you don't know how to edit it post the line here, or to disable it > > > just start the line with the pound sign '#' and save. > > > > > > > > > John Vifian > > > -- > > > Real Users never use the help key. > > > > Dear John, > > > > When I attempt to open /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens the gui software > > sources. How do I make it open in a CLI, I suspect that will procuce > > line 62. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Steven > > I already told you what to do earlier: > > use kate to open the file, but you will need to use kdesudo: > > use either a terminal window, or the handy alt-F2 keystroke to open > krunner, and enter: > 'kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list' > > Then post the entire contents of the file here so we can look at the entire > file for possible errors > > -- > Clay Weber > http://kubuntuforums.net > http://flyballmaine.com > http://emacdogsports.com I am baffled. When I hit F11, it put the number 1 on the first line with cursor blinking and no data. No data at all. What am I doing wrong? Steven From claydoh at midmaine.com Wed Aug 12 21:10:49 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:10:49 -0400 Subject: Command line problems. In-Reply-To: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908121710.50032.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:03:12 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > When I attempt to install anything, I get an error that line 52 is > malformed. When I attempt to open Kate to read line 52 of > /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens in Kate with no data in the page. > > Steven Already replied in the other thread. Yo need to either browse to the file from within kate's "open" menu, or you need to enter the *full path* to the file in the terminal Groundhog Day indeed :) That is why I have suggested using a forum sometimes, as it is easier to view threads on these often complex subjects: all the replies are in chronological order, and stay that way ;) -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From claydoh at midmaine.com Wed Aug 12 21:14:38 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:14:38 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908121706.35200.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121701.10174.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908121706.35200.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908121714.39096.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:06:35 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:01:09 pm Clay Weber wrote: > > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 04:45:37 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > > On Monday 10 August 2009 10:27:31 pm John L Vifian wrote: > > > > On Monday 10 August 2009 6:48:52 pm clay weber wrote: > > > > > How are you opening /etc/apt/sources.list, with kate? > > > > > You will need to use "kdesudo kate" to open and edit the file > > > > > manually. > > > > > > > > Also if line numbers aren't showing when Kate opens hit the F11 key > > > > or check View->Show Line Numbers so you can find the right line to > > > > edit. > > > > > > > > If you don't know how to edit it post the line here, or to disable it > > > > just start the line with the pound sign '#' and save. > > > > > > > > > > > > John Vifian > > > > -- > > > > Real Users never use the help key. > > > > > > Dear John, > > > > > > When I attempt to open /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens the gui software > > > sources. How do I make it open in a CLI, I suspect that will procuce > > > line 62. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Steven > > > > I already told you what to do earlier: > > > > use kate to open the file, but you will need to use kdesudo: > > > > use either a terminal window, or the handy alt-F2 keystroke to open > > krunner, and enter: > > 'kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list' > > > > Then post the entire contents of the file here so we can look at the > > entire file for possible errors > > > > -- > > Clay Weber > > http://kubuntuforums.net > > http://flyballmaine.com > > http://emacdogsports.com > > I am baffled. When I hit F11, it put the number 1 on the first line with > cursor blinking and no data. No data at all. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Steven alt-f2 keystroke will open the little 'run command' box where you can enter the command I listed, or you open Konsole and enter the command I listed. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 21:24:09 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:24:09 +0200 Subject: Command line problems. In-Reply-To: <200908121710.50032.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121710.50032.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908122324.09509.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 23:10:49 Clay Weber wrote: > That is why I have suggested using a forum > sometimes, as it is easier to view threads on these often complex subjects It would make no diffs. A HUGE poster in bold type stuck to the wall would not be seen. Some people are determined not to learn anything. Yes, I am feeling grouchy today. Sorry Steven, my bad. Oh Phil..... \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 21:25:34 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:25:34 +0200 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908121714.39096.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121706.35200.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121714.39096.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908122325.34497.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 23:14:38 Clay Weber wrote: > When I hit F11 Oh that's an easy mistake to make. I mean F11 and Alt + F2 are right next to each other, after all. I do it all the time. I gotta stop watching so much House :) \d From johndecarlo at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 21:35:10 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:35:10 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908121612.27460.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908101924.26130.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121612.27460.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0908121435j735e0140nd04e3fb444d0cc40@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:31:02 am John Pierce wrote: > > > > Can you do a less sources.list from the CLI and post the result? > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > sources.list: No such file or directory > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > Try less /etc/apt/sources.list -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jongleur at liripipe.com Wed Aug 12 22:15:58 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:15:58 -0700 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908121612.27460.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121612.27460.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 1:12:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > sources.list: No such file or directory > steven at Yeshua:~$ Steven, you should be able to figure out why this isn't working by yourself. First run: info less to find out what less does. Then if the output of your less command says:" sources.list: No such file or directory" then perhaps it is telling the truth and there is no sources,list in your home directory of /home/Yeshua/, which is just fine as there shouldn't be one there. The file is in /etc/apt/ so you either have to run less from that directory or supply the full path and filename to less. As others have told you by now less /etc/apt/sources.list will do the trick, although I would recommend cat instead of less just in case the last few lines are what people need to see. Good luck John Vifian -- Define the Universe and give three examples. - Anonymous From claydoh at midmaine.com Wed Aug 12 23:03:08 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:03:08 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121612.27460.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908121903.08687.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 06:15:58 pm John L Vifian wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 1:12:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > > sources.list: No such file or directory > > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > Steven, you should be able to figure out why this isn't working by > yourself. > > First run: info less to find out what less does. > > Then if the output of your less command says:" sources.list: No such file > or directory" then perhaps it is telling the truth and there is no > sources,list in your home directory of /home/Yeshua/, which is just fine as > there shouldn't be one there. The file is in /etc/apt/ so you either have > to run less from that directory or supply the full path and filename to > less. > > As others have told you by now less /etc/apt/sources.list will do the > trick, although I would recommend cat instead of less just in case the last > few lines are what people need to see. > > Good luck > > John Vifian I think we have too many threads on this subject :), this is OT for this one anyway :), and imo Steven needs a gui based bit of help at the moment -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 03:39:45 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:39:45 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908121903.08687.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908121903.08687.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908122339.45132.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 07:03:08 pm Clay Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 06:15:58 pm John L Vifian wrote: > > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 1:12:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > > > sources.list: No such file or directory > > > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > > > Steven, you should be able to figure out why this isn't working by > > yourself. > > > > First run: info less to find out what less does. > > > > Then if the output of your less command says:" sources.list: No such file > > or directory" then perhaps it is telling the truth and there is no > > sources,list in your home directory of /home/Yeshua/, which is just fine > > as there shouldn't be one there. The file is in /etc/apt/ so you either > > have to run less from that directory or supply the full path and filename > > to less. > > > > As others have told you by now less /etc/apt/sources.list will do the > > trick, although I would recommend cat instead of less just in case the > > last few lines are what people need to see. > > > > Good luck > > > > John Vifian > > I think we have too many threads on this subject :), this is OT for this > one anyway :), and imo Steven needs a gui based bit of help at the moment > -- > Clay Weber > http://kubuntuforums.net > http://flyballmaine.com > http://emacdogsports.com I remember using less once in the past, but it has been a long time, and I really do not remember what to expect in the way of information. I typed the following into the CLI and here is what I got: steven at Yeshua:~$ less /etc/apt/sources.lst /etc/apt/sources.lst: No such file or directory steven at Yeshua:~$ Additionally, I expected some kind of list, but what I got is a GUI of Software Sources, like I would get if I opened it in KpackageKit. What I was expecting if in a GUI was perhaps Kate opening with a list of data to read. Instead I get a screen with 5 tabs across the top, Ubuntu Software, Third- Party Software, Updates, Authentication, and Statistics. The items Listed are all check-boxed starting with Canonical-supported Open Source software (main) and ending with Source code. It shows I have downloaded from the Main server. In a box at the bottom, it says the following: To install from a CD-ROM or DVD, insert the medium into the drive. This confuses me, because I don't know what medium they are referring to. Is it the Kubuntu 64bit Live CD, or what? Next I tried: less kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.lst and got the followiing: steven at Yeshua:~$ less kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.lst kdesudo: No such file or directory kate: No such file or directory /etc/apt/sources.lst: No such file or directory steven at Yeshua:~$ I know this is wrong, but I am trying to show your where my thought process goes with the current effort. Next I tried kdesudo kate and got the following: A screen opened with no data on it at all. I clicked on the Terminal at the bottom of the screen and got a root at Yeshua:~#. I typed in /etc/apt/sources.lst and got the following: root at Yeshua:~# /etc/apt/sources.lst bash: /etc/apt/sources.lst: No such file or directory root at Yeshua:~# I expected to have kate open again, this time with editable data in it. The GUI did not change at all. It still remained empty. I realize I should probably not have expected that, but what I was attempting to find was the editable sources.lst. I agree that it is time for me to learn this stuff, but I am obviously not thinking in a logical pattern, or I should have gotten something to review. I am currently in my jaunty 64 bit kde 4.2.2 OS. The line error has recently changed when attempting to install an application. It changed from line 62 to line 58. I just opened KpackageKit and searched games just to try to install something to see what would happen. When I hit enter, an error message came on screen which said: Title No package cache is ava The package list needs to be rebuilt. This should have been done by the I Details read the following: Package cache could not be opened. Obviously KpackageKit is not working properly. I don't have any idea what to ask for to enter a google search right now. I have had a sufficient number of failures to become very confused. I realize how foolish I must seem right now, but this is a common pattern for me when looking for my own solutions without help. And every time I fail on several attempts to get an expected answer, I become confused and unable to continue. Nonetheless, when I return to try again, I repeat a similar path of attempts and fail once again, resulting in a feeling of hopelessness. Normally I use the CLI to install applications; it has worked fine for a long time, but now it does not work at all. You have seen how I tried to think out your suggestion. Can you understand and explain the improper thought process? Am I getting the expected response to my attempts at finding information, or is some application broken? I am sorry to be such a burden, but until I get this area of computing clear, I will experience too much failure to continue. I did all these things prior to getting any suggestions regarding this problem from the list. Although I can only remember one time when using the less command, I expected a lot of data to read. When there was nothing, I must have entered the command wrong. Thanks for your patience in this matter. Steven From g.lip at gmx.com Thu Aug 13 03:41:18 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:41:18 +0800 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908122249.27740.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121629.09297.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908122249.27740.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: > Okay, I'll bite...This is like Groundhog Day- > >> steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list >> sources.list: No such file or directory > That's because you are in the wrong directory. The wrong place. You are > standing in Texas and looking for London. > > How to find the right place? Use your eyes: >> E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) > Bingo! /etc/apt/ is the place. Easy no? > So, go there: > steven at Yeshua:~$ cd /etc/apt > Then use less: > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > > I'm done. > \d > Steven, I am going to jump the gun here, since you are not able to send your /etc/apt/sources.list to us, I am guessing that the malfunctioned line is your ppa repository. Just comment out all lines with ppa repositories. explanations: you now have karmic, use that to explore kde 4.3, you dont want to mess with jaunty. keep it working. to edit the sources.list, type kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list to comment out the ppa repositories, add a # in front of the ppa lines and save. then do this sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude safe-upgrade Regards, Goh Lip From g.lip at gmx.com Thu Aug 13 03:47:18 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:47:18 +0800 Subject: Command line problems.-OT In-Reply-To: <200908122324.09509.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121710.50032.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908122324.09509.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: > > Yes, I am feeling grouchy today. Sorry Steven, my bad. Oh Phil..... > Donn, Phil? You mean 'Dr Phil?' You listen to such stuff? It's like you saying you listen to james dobson...;) Regards, Goh Lip From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Aug 13 04:17:39 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:17:39 -0500 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908122339.45132.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908121903.08687.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908122339.45132.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A8393E3.7030304@swbell.net> Steven Vollom wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 07:03:08 pm Clay Weber wrote: > >> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 06:15:58 pm John L Vifian wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 1:12:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >>> >>>> steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list >>>> sources.list: No such file or directory >>>> steven at Yeshua:~$ >>>> >>> Steven, you should be able to figure out why this isn't working by >>> yourself. >>> >>> First run: info less to find out what less does. >>> >>> Then if the output of your less command says:" sources.list: No such file >>> or directory" then perhaps it is telling the truth and there is no >>> sources,list in your home directory of /home/Yeshua/, which is just fine >>> as there shouldn't be one there. The file is in /etc/apt/ so you either >>> have to run less from that directory or supply the full path and filename >>> to less. >>> >>> As others have told you by now less /etc/apt/sources.list will do the >>> trick, although I would recommend cat instead of less just in case the >>> last few lines are what people need to see. >>> >>> Good luck >>> >>> John Vifian >>> >> I think we have too many threads on this subject :), this is OT for this >> one anyway :), and imo Steven needs a gui based bit of help at the moment >> -- >> Clay Weber >> http://kubuntuforums.net >> http://flyballmaine.com >> http://emacdogsports.com >> > > I remember using less once in the past, but it has been a long time, and I > really do not remember what to expect in the way of information. I typed the > following into the CLI and here is what I got: > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less /etc/apt/sources.lst > /etc/apt/sources.lst: No such file or directory > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > > Additionally, I expected some kind of list, but what I got is a GUI of > Software Sources, like I would get if I opened it in KpackageKit. What I was > expecting if in a GUI was perhaps Kate opening with a list of data to read. > Instead I get a screen with 5 tabs across the top, Ubuntu Software, Third- > Party Software, Updates, Authentication, and Statistics. > > The items Listed are all check-boxed starting with Canonical-supported Open > Source software (main) and ending with Source code. > > It shows I have downloaded from the Main server. > > In a box at the bottom, it says the following: > > To install from a CD-ROM or DVD, insert the medium into the drive. > > This confuses me, because I don't know what medium they are referring to. Is > it the Kubuntu 64bit Live CD, or what? > > Next I tried: less kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.lst and got the followiing: > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.lst > kdesudo: No such file or directory > kate: No such file or directory > /etc/apt/sources.lst: No such file or directory > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > I know this is wrong, but I am trying to show your where my thought process > goes with the current effort. Next I tried kdesudo kate and got the following: > > A screen opened with no data on it at all. I clicked on the Terminal at the > bottom of the screen and got a root at Yeshua:~#. I typed in > /etc/apt/sources.lst and got the following: > > root at Yeshua:~# /etc/apt/sources.lst > bash: /etc/apt/sources.lst: No such file or directory > root at Yeshua:~# > > I expected to have kate open again, this time with editable data in it. The > GUI did not change at all. It still remained empty. > > I realize I should probably not have expected that, but what I was attempting > to find was the editable sources.lst. > > I agree that it is time for me to learn this stuff, but I am obviously not > thinking in a logical pattern, or I should have gotten something to review. > > I am currently in my jaunty 64 bit kde 4.2.2 OS. The line error has recently > changed when attempting to install an application. It changed from line 62 to > line 58. > > I just opened KpackageKit and searched games just to try to install something > to see what would happen. When I hit enter, an error message came on screen > which said: Title No package cache is ava > > The package list needs to be rebuilt. This should have been done by the I > > Details read the following: > > Package cache could not be opened. > > Obviously KpackageKit is not working properly. I don't have any idea what to > ask for to enter a google search right now. I have had a sufficient number of > failures to become very confused. > > I realize how foolish I must seem right now, but this is a common pattern for > me when looking for my own solutions without help. And every time I fail on > several attempts to get an expected answer, I become confused and unable to > continue. Nonetheless, when I return to try again, I repeat a similar path of > attempts and fail once again, resulting in a feeling of hopelessness. > > Normally I use the CLI to install applications; it has worked fine for a long > time, but now it does not work at all. > > You have seen how I tried to think out your suggestion. Can you understand > and explain the improper thought process? Am I getting the expected response > to my attempts at finding information, or is some application broken? > > I am sorry to be such a burden, but until I get this area of computing clear, > I will experience too much failure to continue. > > I did all these things prior to getting any suggestions regarding this problem > from the list. Although I can only remember one time when using the less > command, I expected a lot of data to read. When there was nothing, I must > have entered the command wrong. Thanks for your patience in this matter. > > Steven > > When I use the suggested command I get the same result Steven does. Opening Dolphin and navigating to /etc/apt/ I see the "sources.lst". Clicking on it opens the "Software Sources" GUI. I can right click and "Open With" and select Kate and it opens. There are no line numbers but counting, even the blank lines, I only have 54 lines. Steven, Try using Dolphin and be sure "View Hidden Files" is clicked. Select "Root" from the left side and navigate to /etc/apt/ and right click on "sources.lst" > select Kate. From there you can copy/paste the text into an e-mail. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 04:40:40 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:40:40 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121612.27460.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 06:15:58 pm John L Vifian wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 1:12:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > > sources.list: No such file or directory > > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > Steven, you should be able to figure out why this isn't working by > yourself. > > First run: info less to find out what less does. I just read the Description. I have only used the command line entry (l) when instructed specifically to do so by someone helping me, and have done so only to provide the info they require to help me. It still confuses me. In the 'Description' portion of "info less", I then get confused when it refers to 'vi'. Never heard of that command. It also begins the pattern that causes me difficulty to learn. I am now leaving the focus of my task with a new term to have to understand to continue. The first thing said in 'info vi', is "Vim is a text editor that is upwards compatible to Vi. It can be used to edit all kinds of plain text. It is expecially useful for editing programs." It continues to explain another application Vim instead of Vi which was where I was first referred while looking for "info less". I realize this is pretty common for you who are experienced, however, before you have experience, it is difficult enough to read an explanation of your main focus. When given a reference that refers to a new application (vi) and doesn't even explain the 'vi??' (it refers to 'vim a different application)you were directed to review, it starts a pattern of search that puts someone like me in total confusion. As an artist, I think in a different pattern of thought. Pictures in my mind of complete processes come to mind. I don't see explanations for things I am not asking about first before I get to instructions I ask about. At this point it is hopeless for me to pursue the method you suggested. Computer Gurus just plain think differently. What just happened to me does not confuse you at all. It is the way Computer Gurus think; it is a direct path for you. But for me it is like taking a detour, then another until, you forget where you are going. And when getting a referral to an application to 'vi' which then talks about an application 'vim' may not confuse you, I, at that point expect to never find out what I am looking for, for if I then get referred to something like vim/x, I expect to get a response that refers to vim/xy before I read anything to do with vim/x. And for a right-brained thinker this is totally illogical. Generally, I would not put you through this. But it is where people like me end up. We don't ever seem to learn, because of the way the information is presented. This past year I have learned so very much. But while learning those things I know how to use, I have not learned anything about some of the basic things including this instruction, because unless I am helped with the problem, as when I receive from the list, I am forced to just give up. It is the same for me when I make a google search. I type in a question. In the first sentence of explanation, I am many times linked to terms that I don't understand. When I apply the link in that first line of instruction, I get to the first line of a new page of information, and in the first sentence I get a couple of links to something that I need to know to continue. Pretty soon, I am reading a page that is explaining something that is explaining something that is explaining something that is explaining something that is supposed to help me understand the first line of the question I asked in the first place. At this point I am so confused that I can't remember the first question and have no idea how to retrace my steps to find it. Since even the first inquiry is totally new for me, after the third or fourth link transfers, I forget what the original subject was. And if I read every thing supplied in each link, I will never get to line two of the first question, because there is never an end to the first line links to another page. It puts a right-brain thinker in a constant point of overload. It makes computing seem hopeless. I have had to learn what I know this past year facing the same problem every day I get help. There are a couple of you who have figured, at least partially, what the problem is, and have made adjustments in helping me. It is the reason I have learned so much, but if I just get referred to 'l' or 'man' or other command line sources of information, I will never learn anything. The description of the description rarely refers to what I am there to find out about. I am usually diverted to other information I am not yet capable of assimilating yet. Using your instruction, I pointed each blocking statement for a person like me. If you attempt to follow my process of thinking, you will see why I am seemingly unteachable. I am not sure it is possible for a logical thinker like you to understand a graphical thinker like me, but I am hoping it is. If I can figure out how to learn from you, I will learn the way to work with graphical thinkers. I really think we have the same intellectual capabilities, but through a process that is almost like talking a different language. If and when I am sufficiently instructed, I plan to write 'man' pages and 'l' pages and google instructions that we can both understand and use to learn. It will turn a light on for thousands who have probably given up on computers. I am sorry to have written so long, but until someone in the Guru group tries to understand a graphical thinker's thought process, we, right-brain thinkers, will either be left completely out of the computer loop, or it will take persistence and perhaps 4 times as long for graphical thinkers to learn. Thanks for your help. If you are willing, please address this email? Additionally, if something I have said confuses you, please explain the confusion? It will help me to finally unite our different way of viewing a problem. Steven Please reply, John. It would be so helpful to me. Believe it or not, there are certain aspects of the art field where I am considered the Guru. It doesn't pad my ego, it just goes to show that right-brain thinkers sometimes have intellectual gifts as well. I suspect it would take a long time for me to explain this area to a computer Guru, because not even all the right-brain thinkers understand this area of my gift. But they all acknowledge that it is a special gift. And for me it is just easy - the way I normally think, and not special at all. Not intended to elevate your opinion of me, just trying to get you to understand that I might not be a total zero for intelligence, just more like a person learning a new language. > > Then if the output of your less command says:" sources.list: No such file > or directory" then perhaps it is telling the truth and there is no > sources,list in your home directory of /home/Yeshua/, which is just fine as > there shouldn't be one there. The file is in /etc/apt/ so you either have > to run less from that directory or supply the full path and filename to > less. > > As others have told you by now less /etc/apt/sources.list will do the > trick, although I would recommend cat instead of less just in case the last > few lines are what people need to see. > > Good luck > > John Vifian > -- > Define the Universe and give three examples. - Anonymous From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 04:44:43 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:44:43 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908121435j735e0140nd04e3fb444d0cc40@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121612.27460.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908121435j735e0140nd04e3fb444d0cc40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908130044.43377.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:35:10 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Steven Vollom > > wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:31:02 am John Pierce wrote: > > > Can you do a less sources.list from the CLI and post the result? > > > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > > sources.list: No such file or directory > > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > Try > > less /etc/apt/sources.list # newer versions of the distribution. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the ## distribution. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates main restricted deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty universe deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates universe ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty multiverse deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' ## repository. ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse #Added by software-properties # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's ## 'partner' repository. ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the ## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users. deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-security main restricted deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-security restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-security universe deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-security multiverse deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-proposed restricted main multiverse universe deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-proposed restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt jaunty main #WineHQ - Ubuntu 9.04 "Jaunty Jackalope" deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bz/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/bz/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main deb http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/debian intrepid main deb-src http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/debian intrepid main deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main It looks like there is more information, but I couldn't get the page to scroll. I tried page up and page down too. How do I copy the whole list? Thanks, Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 04:48:26 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:48:26 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908121435j735e0140nd04e3fb444d0cc40@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121612.27460.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <3dde113c0908121435j735e0140nd04e3fb444d0cc40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908130048.26198.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:35:10 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Steven Vollom > > wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:31:02 am John Pierce wrote: > > > Can you do a less sources.list from the CLI and post the result? > > > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > > sources.list: No such file or directory > > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > Try > > less /etc/apt/sources.list I remember there was a key that I could press that would number the lines in a list. It is lost among several thousand saved emails. I can't remember who gave the information, so I can't remember how to review it. I also do not understand a proper entry for a google search for this information. What would you google if you wanted to know the key to hit to get a list numbered? Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 05:01:08 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:01:08 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908121714.39096.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121706.35200.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121714.39096.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908130101.08334.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:14:38 pm Clay Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:06:35 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:01:09 pm Clay Weber wrote: > > > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 04:45:37 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > > > On Monday 10 August 2009 10:27:31 pm John L Vifian wrote: > > > > > On Monday 10 August 2009 6:48:52 pm clay weber wrote: > > > > > > How are you opening /etc/apt/sources.list, with kate? > > > > > > You will need to use "kdesudo kate" to open and edit the file > > > > > > manually. > > > > > > > > > > Also if line numbers aren't showing when Kate opens hit the F11 key > > > > > or check View->Show Line Numbers so you can find the right line to > > > > > edit. > > > > > > > > > > If you don't know how to edit it post the line here, or to disable > > > > > it just start the line with the pound sign '#' and save. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Vifian > > > > > -- > > > > > Real Users never use the help key. > > > > > > > > Dear John, > > > > > > > > When I attempt to open /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens the gui > > > > software sources. How do I make it open in a CLI, I suspect that > > > > will procuce line 62. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Steven > > > > > > I already told you what to do earlier: > > > > > > use kate to open the file, but you will need to use kdesudo: > > > > > > use either a terminal window, or the handy alt-F2 keystroke to open > > > krunner, and enter: > > > 'kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list' > > > > > > Then post the entire contents of the file here so we can look at the > > > entire file for possible errors > > > > > > -- > > > Clay Weber > > > http://kubuntuforums.net > > > http://flyballmaine.com > > > http://emacdogsports.com > > Now I am really confused, I believe I did that same thing before and did not get any data. I copied and pasted your instruction and got data this time.: deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_ - Release amd64 (20090420.1)]/ jaunty main restricted # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to # newer versions of the distribution. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the ## distribution. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates main restricted deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty universe deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates universe ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty multiverse deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' ## repository. ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse #Added by software-properties # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's ## 'partner' repository. ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the ## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users. deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu jaunty partner deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-security main restricted deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-security restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-security universe deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-security multiverse deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-proposed restricted main multiverse universe deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-proposed restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt jaunty main #WineHQ - Ubuntu 9.04 "Jaunty Jackalope" deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bz/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/bz/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main deb http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/debian intrepid main deb-src http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/debian intrepid main deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main The Kate window looked like there might be more data, but I couldn't get the screen to scroll or page up or page down. Does it look like I supplied the entire list? If not, how do I scroll that page? Thank you. Steven > > I am baffled. When I hit F11, it put the number 1 on the first line with > > cursor blinking and no data. No data at all. > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > Steven > > alt-f2 keystroke will open the little 'run command' box where you can enter > the command I listed, or you open Konsole and enter the command I listed. > -- > Clay Weber > http://kubuntuforums.net > http://flyballmaine.com > http://emacdogsports.com I opened a konsole and entered the command you listed and sent you the response. I will try again. I am very excited right now. I finally see the list. Additionally, I realize that it was you who gave the suggestion to press F11 to get the lines numbered. Line 58, which seems to be a problem for me when trying to install applications using a CLI, is as follows: deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main. If this line is causing my problem, what do I do to repair the problem, delete it? And if i delete it, what will happen to the application it is needed for? This is very interesting stuff. Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 05:08:19 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:08:19 -0400 Subject: Command line problems. In-Reply-To: <200908122324.09509.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121710.50032.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908122324.09509.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908130108.19679.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:24:09 pm Donn wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 23:10:49 Clay Weber wrote: > > That is why I have suggested using a forum > > sometimes, as it is easier to view threads on these often complex > > subjects > > It would make no diffs. A HUGE poster in bold type stuck to the wall would > not be seen. Some people are determined not to learn anything. > > Yes, I am feeling grouchy today. Sorry Steven, my bad. Oh Phil..... > > \d Apparently I did not save the email that this refers to. I am sorry that I can't relate to your comments. But I can tell you that I am not determined to not learn anything. Quite the opposite. I will learn no matter what it takes. Strangely enough large post-its do not work to aid my poor memory. I put a butcher paper sized notice over my front door in letters about a foot tall to remind me to contact my daughter about something important in the coming week. By the time the day arrived, I got so used to ducking under the large Post-it, that I had stopped reading the message and forgot the appointment. Such is my life. I try hard, but still screw up. You wouldn't like it anymore than I do, if you had the problem. Steven From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Thu Aug 13 05:19:26 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:19:26 -0500 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908130019.26087.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Greetings -- I shall top-post. Steven, please let me point something out to you. While it often seems quite false, computing is essentially a matter of VERY strict logic and sequence. When it seems otherwise, the perception is usually wrong -- and is based on erroneous, deceptive, or missing information. And I know the problem, first-hand, just about as well as anyone knows it; I am a COBOL programmer! I knew a woman from either Colombia or Bolivia -- I forget which. She arrived in the United States knowing precious little English, and was pretending to try to learn to speak English. I say "pretending" because she frequently put forth more effort in explaining why English is a stupid language than in learning how it works "anyway"! One time, I told her that it is Spanish -- NOT English -- that is stupid. This shocked her enough that I could explain myself. I gave the example of the Spanish word "misericordia" -- with six syllables. The English word has only five letters and two syllables -- it is "mercy". Then I pointed out to her that I agree that English is VERY difficult, and even "stupid" at many points. But even if she and I agree completely on such issues, we will NOT change English! If she fights the language, the language will win, and she will LOSE. It is true. The application is relatively simple. You define yourself as being an artist. There is certainly nothing at all wrong with that. BE an artist; be an OUTSTANDING artist!!! But when you come into the world of computing, it is YOUR job to learn the new language -- just as the woman from South America CHOSE to be in the English-speaking United States. It is NOT easy to learn computing, and some would declare that the Linux world (including Kubuntu-land) is harder to learn that "win-doze". Therefore, you yourself have chosen to take a VERY big bite -- nobody here imposed it upon you! And, even if we agree with all of your complaints and concerns, Linux and Kubuntu are not going to change ALL of their colors simply to suit you. I wish that I could offer help with the specific problems you are encountering. And YES, they most certainly ARE problems! But I do not have the specific understandings that you want, so I have kept my mouth shut, up until this posting. But now I speak up. And the suggestion that you need some GUI assistance -- and, I would suggest, possibly even another operating system -- is well taken. I would suggest that you do a careful evaluation of yourself. Some people (such as I myself!) would be true idiots to attempt to be artists. And some people can "do it all". And some people might be "idiots" to try too much computing in ANY environment. And yet others can use a computer well enough -- but only in a limited variety of environments. I do NOT know you well enough to "analyze" you in such respects, and would NOT presume to do so. But perhaps you DO have that ability -- and even the need to do the job of analysis. My sense is that the people here WANT to help you, but just like everything else in this world, there ARE some pre-requisites. Do you have what is needed? There is NOTHING the least bit "dishonorable" about honestly saying "Not really." If that has to be your answer, we all hope that you can find a workable environment. If that is NOT your answer, we must respectfully request that you learn a workable sub-set of "our language" (to use your EXCELLENT analogy) -- because it really is NOT "our" job to learn yours! I realize that there are no applicable bilingual dictionaries, and no electronic Franklin translators -- but that is part of the landscape here! Please realize that it IS difficult (and worse!), but work WITH us, rather than ON us. If you CAN do this, and if you DO this, we can become very helpful. Otherwise, we will almost certainly fail you. And if that were to be the case, we would still hope for the best for you. Best of good fortune as you ponder the situation and your best course for the future!!!!! Bruce Mac Arthur On Wednesday 12 August 2009 23:40, Steven Vollom wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 06:15:58 pm John L Vifian wrote: > > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 1:12:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > > > sources.list: No such file or directory > > > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > > > Steven, you should be able to figure out why this isn't working by > > yourself. > > > > First run: info less to find out what less does. > > I just read the Description. I have only used the command line entry > (l) when instructed specifically to do so by someone helping me, and > have done so only to provide the info they require to help me. It > still confuses me. In the 'Description' portion of "info less", I > then get confused when it refers to 'vi'. Never heard of that > command. It also begins the pattern that causes me difficulty to > learn. I am now leaving the focus of my task with a new term to have > to understand to continue. > > The first thing said in 'info vi', is "Vim is a text editor that is > upwards compatible to Vi. It can be used to edit all kinds of plain > text. It is expecially useful for editing programs." > > It continues to explain another application Vim instead of Vi which > was where I was first referred while looking for "info less". > > I realize this is pretty common for you who are experienced, however, > before you have experience, it is difficult enough to read an > explanation of your main focus. When given a reference that refers > to a new application (vi) and doesn't even explain the 'vi??' (it > refers to 'vim a different application)you were directed to review, > it starts a pattern of search that puts someone like me in total > confusion. > > As an artist, I think in a different pattern of thought. Pictures in > my mind of complete processes come to mind. I don't see explanations > for things I am not asking about first before I get to instructions I > ask about. At this point it is hopeless for me to pursue the method > you suggested. > > Computer Gurus just plain think differently. What just happened to > me does not confuse you at all. It is the way Computer Gurus think; > it is a direct path for you. But for me it is like taking a detour, > then another until, you forget where you are going. And when getting > a referral to an application to 'vi' which then talks about an > application 'vim' may not confuse you, I, at that point expect to > never find out what I am looking for, for if I then get referred to > something like vim/x, I expect to get a response that refers to > vim/xy before I read anything to do with vim/x. And for a > right-brained thinker this is totally illogical. > > Generally, I would not put you through this. But it is where people > like me end up. We don't ever seem to learn, because of the way the > information is presented. This past year I have learned so very > much. But while learning those things I know how to use, I have not > learned anything about some of the basic things including this > instruction, because unless I am helped with the problem, as when I > receive from the list, I am forced to just give up. > > It is the same for me when I make a google search. I type in a > question. In the first sentence of explanation, I am many times > linked to terms that I don't understand. When I apply the link in > that first line of instruction, I get to the first line of a new page > of information, and in the first sentence I get a couple of links to > something that I need to know to continue. Pretty soon, I am reading > a page that is explaining something that is explaining something that > is explaining something that is explaining something that is supposed > to help me understand the first line of the question I asked in the > first place. At this point I am so confused that I can't remember the > first question and have no idea how to retrace my steps to find it. > > Since even the first inquiry is totally new for me, after the third > or fourth link transfers, I forget what the original subject was. > And if I read every thing supplied in each link, I will never get to > line two of the first question, because there is never an end to the > first line links to another page. It puts a right-brain thinker in a > constant point of overload. It makes computing seem hopeless. > > I have had to learn what I know this past year facing the same > problem every day I get help. There are a couple of you who have > figured, at least partially, what the problem is, and have made > adjustments in helping me. It is the reason I have learned so much, > but if I just get referred to 'l' or 'man' or other command line > sources of information, I will never learn anything. The description > of the description rarely refers to what I am there to find out > about. I am usually diverted to other information I am not yet > capable of assimilating yet. > > Using your instruction, I pointed each blocking statement for a > person like me. If you attempt to follow my process of thinking, you > will see why I am seemingly unteachable. I am not sure it is > possible for a logical thinker like you to understand a graphical > thinker like me, but I am hoping it is. If I can figure out how to > learn from you, I will learn the way to work with graphical thinkers. > > I really think we have the same intellectual capabilities, but > through a process that is almost like talking a different language. > If and when I am sufficiently instructed, I plan to write 'man' pages > and 'l' pages and google instructions that we can both understand and > use to learn. It will turn a light on for thousands who have > probably given up on computers. > > I am sorry to have written so long, but until someone in the Guru > group tries to understand a graphical thinker's thought process, we, > right-brain thinkers, will either be left completely out of the > computer loop, or it will take persistence and perhaps 4 times as > long for graphical thinkers to learn. Thanks for your help. If you > are willing, please address this email? Additionally, if something I > have said confuses you, please explain the confusion? It will help > me to finally unite our different way of viewing a problem. > > Steven > > Please reply, John. It would be so helpful to me. Believe it or > not, there are certain aspects of the art field where I am considered > the Guru. It doesn't pad my ego, it just goes to show that > right-brain thinkers sometimes have intellectual gifts as well. I > suspect it would take a long time for me to explain this area to a > computer Guru, because not even all the right-brain thinkers > understand this area of my gift. But they all acknowledge that it is > a special gift. And for me it is just easy - the way I normally > think, and not special at all. > > Not intended to elevate your opinion of me, just trying to get you to > understand that I might not be a total zero for intelligence, just > more like a person learning a new language. > > > Then if the output of your less command says:" sources.list: No > > such file or directory" then perhaps it is telling the truth and > > there is no sources,list in your home directory of /home/Yeshua/, > > which is just fine as there shouldn't be one there. The file is > > in /etc/apt/ so you either have to run less from that directory or > > supply the full path and filename to less. > > > > As others have told you by now less /etc/apt/sources.list will do > > the trick, although I would recommend cat instead of less just in > > case the last few lines are what people need to see. > > > > Good luck > > > > John Vifian > > -- > > Define the Universe and give three examples. - Anonymous -- 布鲁斯 麦克阿瑟 Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From g.lip at gmx.com Thu Aug 13 05:36:55 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:36:55 +0800 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908130101.08334.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121706.35200.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121714.39096.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908130101.08334.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free > deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free > deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt jaunty main #WineHQ - Ubuntu 9.04 > "Jaunty Jackalope" > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bz/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/bz/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main > deb http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/debian intrepid main > deb-src http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/debian intrepid main > deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main > > The Kate window looked like there might be more data, but I couldn't get the > screen to scroll or page up or page down. Does it look like I supplied the > entire list? If not, how do I scroll that page? Thank you. > > Steven >>> I am baffled. When I hit F11, it put the number 1 on the first line with >>> cursor blinking and no data. No data at all. > > deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main. If > this line is causing my problem, what do I do to repair the problem, delete > it? And if i delete it, what will happen to the application it is needed for? Just to be sure, at Dolphin, help,about kde, what is your kde version number? In case you did not receive my earlier message, (are you using kmail now? what happens to old messages? and why are you repeating questions others have replied to?), comment out the ppa repositories. I will also recommend commenting out the medibuntu repositories. As for moblock..... Steven, one thing to note, when there is a new change, like from kde 4.2.2 to kde 4.3, the 'external' repositories may gum up your computer, as these repositories sometimes need some files which may conflict with the newer upgrades. So when you add more complications to it, I would not be surprised if you keep hitting all the problems you are getting. You may think it's a great learning experience, I don't. Regards, Goh Lip From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 05:47:06 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:47:06 +0700 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908130101.08334.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121706.35200.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121714.39096.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908130101.08334.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <9844155d0908122247s5b3e4362reca3e23cfe43d846@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Steven Vollom wrote: > > deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main.  If > this line is causing my problem, what do I do to repair the problem, delete > it?  And if i delete it, what will happen to the application it is needed for? > > This is very interesting stuff.  Thanks! > > Steven Open terminal, and copy and paste below command: sudo perl -pi -e 's/deb >/deb/g;' '/etc/apt/sources.list' After that try sudo apt-get update. DK From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 05:55:59 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:55:59 +0200 Subject: Nvidia 9600? Message-ID: I am looking at upgrading from an Nvidia 7600 gs to a Nvidia 9600 gt. Does it work well with Linux? Is it worth the money? Is there a better pick? I prefer silent or passively cooled cards. The 7600 was a terror in the noise department until I found i could just unplug the fan without heat problems (has been unplugged for 3 years, NP). My hardest use of the card in with sculpting in Blender3d. Right now it is a bit slow when I get above 300,000 verts. AMD 64 x2 on the slow end of them. Can't remember the exact speed right now. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Thu Aug 13 07:34:01 2009 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:34:01 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908122339.45132.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121903.08687.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908122339.45132.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908130934.01963.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> Greetings Steven. Torsdag den 13. august 2009 kvad Steven Vollom: > steven at Yeshua:~$ less /etc/apt/sources.lst > /etc/apt/sources.lst: No such file or directory > steven at Yeshua:~$ The file name is misspelled. You are missing an 'i' before 'st'. Best regards :o) Johnny :o) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 08:31:18 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:31:18 +0200 Subject: Command line problems. In-Reply-To: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908131031.19049.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 07:08:19 Steven Vollom wrote: > I try hard, but still screw up. So do I Steven. > You wouldn't like it anymore than I > do, if you had the problem. I also have a memory problem. I don't remember all these commands and tricks. I *do* keep a physical notebook. I have asked you to do the same. Write all the tips down. Keep it in a single location (mine is on top of my speaker). Refer to it often. You have had these kinds of problems with your sources.list before. Whole universes of threads-- which helped you. You now have some responsibility to keep the repeat noise down, by making notes. \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 08:34:28 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:34:28 +0200 Subject: Command line problems.-OT In-Reply-To: References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908122324.09509.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131034.28758.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 05:47:18 Goh Lip wrote: > Donn, Phil? You mean 'Dr Phil?' You listen to such stuff? You wound me Sir! :) "Punxsutawney Phil" is my new nickname for Steven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day_%28film%29 \d From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 10:49:04 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:49:04 +0200 Subject: What is the best torrent software? Message-ID: I was looking at all the torrent software. There seems to be a lot of them. Deluge, Bittorrent, cTorrent, rTorrent, ktorrent and others. I see it as a plus if I can use it on the CLI. But which is the fastest? Which has the most features? Thoughts? Also for settings? I use encrypted settings now and that seems to result in faster downloads but there are a lot of other settings that might speed things up. Thanks all! -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 10:56:24 2009 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:56:24 +0400 Subject: Thunderbird & KDE Message-ID: <4A83F158.6010201@gmail.com> Hello list, Is there a way to ask T-bird to use '/usr/bin/kde-open' for opening attachments? Thank you, -Alex From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 11:01:33 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:01:33 +0200 Subject: What is the best torrent software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908131301.33997.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 12:49:04 Knapp wrote: > I see it as a plus if I can use it on the CLI. rtorrent is simply wonderful. I highly recc it. It's a little tricky to learn, but a few googles will sort you. Ktorrent is also very nice -- but I prefer rtorrent. > Also for settings? I use encrypted settings rtorrent can do this. You can also set limits on up and down bandwidth (all in a conf file) - give it a go. \d From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 11:15:13 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:15:13 +0100 Subject: Thunderbird & KDE In-Reply-To: <4A83F158.6010201@gmail.com> References: <4A83F158.6010201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A83F5C1.7060200@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Alexander Smirnov wrote: > Hello list, > > Is there a way to ask T-bird to use '/usr/bin/kde-open' for opening > attachments? In T-Bird go to Edit -> Preferences -> Attachments The edit the "view and edit actions" however you want. cheers Chris From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 11:35:30 2009 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:35:30 +0400 Subject: Thunderbird & KDE In-Reply-To: <4A83F5C1.7060200@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <4A83F158.6010201@gmail.com> <4A83F5C1.7060200@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4A83FA82.4090706@gmail.com> Chris Jones wrote: > Alexander Smirnov wrote: > >> Hello list, >> >> Is there a way to ask T-bird to use '/usr/bin/kde-open' for opening >> attachments? >> > > In T-Bird go to > > Edit -> Preferences -> Attachments > > The edit the "view and edit actions" however you want. > > cheers Chris Hello Chris thanks for the answer. After i press "view and edit actions" button, i have a window opened with search bar at the top and empty list at the bottom. How do i add new action there? It doesn't react to my left-right mouse clicks, no any context menus, no button "add". My T-bird is from jaunty repos - version 2.0.0.22 Thanks, -Alex From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 12:10:08 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:10:08 +0100 Subject: Thunderbird & KDE In-Reply-To: <4A83FA82.4090706@gmail.com> References: <4A83F158.6010201@gmail.com> <4A83F5C1.7060200@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4A83FA82.4090706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8402A0.2060203@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> > thanks for the answer. After i press "view and edit actions" button, i > have a window opened with search bar at the top and empty list at the > bottom. How do i add new action there? It doesn't react to my left-right > mouse clicks, no any context menus, no button "add". > My T-bird is from jaunty repos - version 2.0.0.22 Yes you are correct. I also see no add button. As your list is empty, then presumably when you try and open an attachment it asks you what do ( if not, you can probably enable this somewhere in your preferences). When TB does ask, just set it up to open with whatever you want and save it. Repeat for whatever other attachment types you get as and when they arrive. cheers Chris From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:09:11 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:09:11 +0200 Subject: What is the best torrent software? In-Reply-To: <200908131301.33997.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908131301.33997.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Donn wrote: > On Thursday 13 August 2009 12:49:04 Knapp wrote: >> I see it as a plus if I can use it on the CLI. > rtorrent is simply wonderful. I highly recc it. It's a little tricky to learn, > but a few googles will sort you. > > Ktorrent is also very nice -- but I prefer rtorrent. > >> Also for settings? I use encrypted settings > rtorrent can do this. You can also set limits on up and down bandwidth (all in > a conf file) - give it a go. > > \d Thanks! I currently use Ktorrent kde3. How is rtorrent better? Ktorrent does the encrypted settings too. It can encrypt and also a setting whether you want to accept them or not. Anyone out there use Ctorrent? -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From john.j35 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:15:36 2009 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:15:36 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <9844155d0908122247s5b3e4362reca3e23cfe43d846@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121706.35200.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121714.39096.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908130101.08334.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <9844155d0908122247s5b3e4362reca3e23cfe43d846@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:47 AM, David Kuntadi wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Steven Vollom > wrote: >> >> deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main.  If >> this line is causing my problem, what do I do to repair the problem, delete >> it?  And if i delete it, what will happen to the application it is needed for? >> >> This is very interesting stuff.  Thanks! >> >> Steven > > Open terminal, and copy and paste below command: > > sudo perl -pi -e 's/deb >/deb/g;'  '/etc/apt/sources.list' > > After that try sudo apt-get update. > > DK > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Correct, he needs to get rid of the ">" symbol in that source line. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Aug 13 13:33:03 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:33:03 +0200 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121629.09297.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908122249.27740.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Goh Lip wrote: > Donn wrote: >> Okay, I'll bite...This is like Groundhog Day- >> >>> steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list >>> sources.list: No such file or directory >> That's because you are in the wrong directory. The wrong place. You are >> standing in Texas and looking for London. >> >> How to find the right place? Use your eyes: >>> E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) >> Bingo! /etc/apt/ is the place. Easy no? >> So, go there: >> steven at Yeshua:~$ cd /etc/apt >> Then use less: >> steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list >> >> I'm done. >> \d >> > > Steven, I am going to jump the gun here, > since you are not able to send your /etc/apt/sources.list > to us, I am guessing that the malfunctioned line is your ppa repository. > Just comment out all lines with ppa repositories. > > > explanations: > you now have karmic, use that to explore kde 4.3, you dont want to mess > with jaunty. keep it working. > to edit the sources.list, type > kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list > to comment out the ppa repositories, add a # in front of the ppa lines > and save. > then do this > sudo aptitude update > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade > > Regards, > Goh Lip > > also Windows might be a good solution here. I cannot remember that I ever had to do such things on windows. Eberhard From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:39:09 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:39:09 +0200 Subject: What is the best torrent software? In-Reply-To: References: <200908131301.33997.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131539.09187.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 15:09:11 Knapp wrote: > I currently use Ktorrent kde3. How is rtorrent better? I use rtorrent on my server overseas, so it has no gui anyway. I use ktorrent locally but only for searching for torrents and saving the torrent file. I could just as well use firefox. Better... I just don't know. When it comes to features I just don't torrent enough to know about them. 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In-Reply-To: <200908131539.09187.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908131301.33997.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908131539.09187.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Donn wrote: > On Thursday 13 August 2009 15:09:11 Knapp wrote: >> I currently use Ktorrent kde3. How is rtorrent better? > I use rtorrent on my server overseas, so it has no gui anyway. I use ktorrent > locally but only for searching for torrents and saving the torrent file. I > could just as well use firefox. > > Better... I just don't know. When it comes to features I just don't torrent > enough to know about them. I guess the two are equally pegged from my amateur > pov. > > \d Really that brings up another question. When I search with FF all those sites want passwords but with Ktorrent it just works. Why is that? I keep having this thought, could I live without any GUI. LOL. It might be possible with FF and Blender3d being the really big losses. I think almost anything else could be done without the GUI. If you want to talk more on this, please make a new thread. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 15:47:33 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:47:33 +0200 Subject: What is the best torrent software? In-Reply-To: References: <200908131539.09187.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131747.33317.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 17:40:57 Knapp wrote: > When I search with FF all > those sites want passwords but with Ktorrent it just works. Why is > that? Good question. Dunno. But I do recall being frustrated by browsers and just ended-up using korrent because it worked. Oh and for me gui=Inkscape, Blender, Dev on visual stuff like cairo animation, kmail (can't live sans), firefox, gwenview (for my auto dilbert script), jeez... I think I might be a GUI addict :D \d From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Aug 13 15:54:43 2009 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:54:43 -0400 Subject: What is the best torrent software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A843743.3020603@cmosnetworks.com> At first, I used Azureus, which really is a fine Bittorrent program. However, I've also discovered that KTorrent, which comes with KDE and doesn't require Java, is also a mighty fine Bittorrent program. I mostly use KTorrent now. Which one is "best"? It really depends on your personal preferences. The "fastest" will depend a lot more on the speed of your Internet connection than whether or not you turn on/off encryption. I have mine set to accept both encrypted and unencrypted connections, because (being a Free Software advocate) I share GNU/Linux ISO's, and therefore I want the most people to be able to connect to me. I'm on a cable modem with 2Mbps upload speed. Therefore, I allow 20 download slots per torrent. That means I could potentially upload to 20 people, though in actual practice, it averages about eight at a time. Be sure to adjust your "number of people who can connect to you" setting appropriately! For example, I have three GNU/Linux ISO torrents (CentOS, Ubuntu Jaunty, and Slackware 12.2). So, I set that number to 3 torrents times 20 connections/torrent = 60 possible connections to me. No, this does not kill my broadband link. Remember, Bittorrent being a peer-to-peer protocol, peers can and will download from any other peer, not just me. One other very important thing! If you're behind a NAT device, be sure to do the appropriate port-forwarding on your router! Otherwise, you can connect to others, but they can't connect to you, so your downloads will be S-L-O-W. That's because Bittorrent requires you to upload as well as download. To help with this, I also turn on DHT. This can be a big help. Hopefully this helps, --TP _______________________________ Do you GNU ? Microsoft Free since 2003 --the ultimate antivirus protection! Knapp wrote: > I was looking at all the torrent software. There seems to be a lot of them. > Deluge, Bittorrent, cTorrent, rTorrent, ktorrent and others. I see it > as a plus if I can use it on the CLI. But which is the fastest? Which > has the most features? Thoughts? > > Also for settings? I use encrypted settings now and that seems to > result in faster downloads but there are a lot of other settings that > might speed things up. > > Thanks all! > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have >>>>>>> installed >>>>>>> >>>>> using >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Kpackagekit; I have installed using a CLI, and although it >>>>>>> >>>>> shows as >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> installed, in Kpackagekit, it does not open when I Press Alt+F2 >>>>>>> >>>>> and enter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> sane. It does not show in the menu either. Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steven >>>>>>> >>>>>> You need to install skanlite or Xsane for scanning, as sane >>>>>> itself >>>>>> >>>>> does not >>>>> >>>>> Kooka is better. >>>>> >>>> And discontinued. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards :o) >>>> >>>> Johnny :o) >>>> >>> Kooka would not download? I have used it in the past and like it. Can >>> you advise further? Thanks! >>> Steven >>> >> Kooka has not been available since Hardy as it is old and not >> maintained, which is why I did not suggest it. Xsane has a lot of >> features, while Skanlite is a bit simpler in its interface. I usually >> install both >> >> >> clay weber >> > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > sources.list: No such file or directory > steven at Yeshua:~$ sudo apt-get install skanlite > [sudo] password for steven: > E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) > E: The list of sources could not be read. > steven at Yeshua:~$ > Have you tried loading up the /etc/apt/sources.list into a text editor to see what's wrong with that line? If you're not sure what it's supposed to be, you could always post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list here and someone can tell you how to fix it. It's possible that line 62 of your sources.list may not be the same as everyone else's, so that's why we need to see the contents of yours. -- Roy Smith Windows XP Pro SP3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is lost among several thousand saved emails. I can't remember who > gave the information, so I can't remember how to review it. I also do not > understand a proper entry for a google search for this information. What > would you google if you wanted to know the key to hit to get a list numbered? > In Linux, doesn't matter which distro you use, there are 2 ways to find out command arguments and syntax in a terminal and you don't even need Internet access. They are: --help (gives a quick list of arguments and syntax) man (gives a detailed description on using the command) Naturally you'd replace with the command you're interested in learning more about. -- Roy Smith Windows XP Pro SP3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The next thing I knew, EVERYTHING on my system was appearing in "Traditional Chinese" -- not even the "Simplified Chinese" of which I know a little! Instead of panicking, I tried to research ANYway. After a while, I found something called "Language Selector", and I downloaded and installed it greedily! When it ran, it stated that the first language listed in one of its panes IS the "system language". It also made it pretty easy to change the sequence in which those languages are listed. I set it to English, Spanish, Chinese, and got MOSTLY the effect that I wanted. There ARE, however, a few remaining peculiarities. Especially when "file type" is listed (as in Dolphin), it can appear in (1) English, (2) Chinese, (3) Spanish, or (4) Spanish and Chinese!!! Does anyone know why this is happening? Is there a way to specify which language should be used for "file type"? And, if nobody has the answers to those perplexing questions, does anyone know of a more appropriate forum in which I should post my questions? This is NOT a "critical" issue at all; I can even live with things just as they are. But I really WOULD like to extend my control of this box into the last little corners -- so I THANK each of you, VERY sincerely, for any possible reply. -- 布鲁斯 麦克阿瑟 Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From rasmith1959 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 16:19:23 2009 From: rasmith1959 at gmail.com (Roy Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:19:23 -0500 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908130019.26087.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908130019.26087.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <4A843D0B.1090800@gmail.com> Bruce MacArthur wrote: > Greetings -- > > I shall top-post. > > Steven, please let me point something out to you. While it often seems > quite false, computing is essentially a matter of VERY strict logic and > sequence. When it seems otherwise, the perception is usually wrong -- > and is based on erroneous, deceptive, or missing information. And I > know the problem, first-hand, just about as well as anyone knows it; I > am a COBOL programmer! > [..Major deletion for brevity..] Wow, that was awesome! I could not have said it better myself! -- Roy Smith Windows XP Pro SP3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I then tried sudo apt-get update and the malformed line error was the output. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From john.j35 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 16:34:16 2009 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:34:16 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121629.09297.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908122249.27740.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: > also Windows might be a good solution here. > I cannot remember that I ever had to do such things on windows. > > Eberhard > I guess if the OP is unwilling/able to learn something new then windows is what (s)he deserves. Microsoft has been trying to dumb down the computer user for years, you get what they give you and that is final. You cannot modify to your liking or functionality needs. I am sorry for the rant on windows, but I have seen way to much for it to be coincidence that they turn out the product they do. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From g.lip at gmx.com Thu Aug 13 16:34:51 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:34:51 +0800 Subject: 20090813KL -- A Curiosity In-Reply-To: <200908131112.47919.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <200908131112.47919.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: Bruce MacArthur wrote: > There ARE, however, a few remaining peculiarities. Especially > when "file type" is listed (as in Dolphin), it can appear in (1) > English, (2) Chinese, (3) Spanish, or (4) Spanish and Chinese!!! 你好, I take it your system is now in english and it is mainly that some file types are listed in spanish or chinese. It is possible that these file types are created when the your system was set to that language. Try renaming the files and don't forget the file types too, like abc.pdf abcd.odt etc. Hope this helps. Regards, Goh Lip From jongleur at liripipe.com Thu Aug 13 17:04:14 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:04:14 -0700 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A843D0B.1090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131004.15123.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 9:30:26 am John Pierce wrote: > > Wow, that was awesome! I could not have said it better myself! > > I am going to go out on a limb here, the problem line appears to be: > > deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main > > You really need to remove the > symbol from that line. I just edited > mine sources.list file and place that symbol in the file. I then > tried sudo apt-get update and the malformed line error was the output. I think that probably is a problem but line # 62 which he had previously reported as causing problems in the text he sent is: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt jaunty main #WineHQ - Ubuntu 9.04 If he deletes the part after "main" it should fix the problem. Also line 63 appears in Steven's email as: "Jaunty Jackalope" This is probably kmail wrapping a long line and is probably the end of line 62, but if not it should be deleted too. John Vifian -- When authorities warn you of the sinfulness of sex, there is an important lesson to be learned: Do not have sex with the authorities. Matt Groening, Life is Hell From rasmith1959 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:07:26 2009 From: rasmith1959 at gmail.com (Roy Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:07:26 -0500 Subject: Command line problems. In-Reply-To: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A84484E.1020109@gmail.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > When I attempt to install anything, I get an error that line 52 is malformed. > When I attempt to open Kate to read line 52 of /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens > in Kate with no data in the page. > That's to be expected. Why? Because you're using the wrong filename! The correct path/filename should be /etc/apt/sources.list not /etc/apt/sources.lst. When you started Kate with the filename /etc/apt/sources.lst you told it the wrong filename so Kate thought you were creating a new file because it did not find an exact match for the filename you had specified. Another thing to watch out for is capitalization. To Linux THISfile, Thisfile and thisfile would all be seen as separate files because of the use, or absence of capital letters in the filename. -- Roy Smith Windows XP Pro SP3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 897 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Aug 13 17:19:54 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:19:54 -0500 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A843D0B.1090800@gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908130019.26087.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <4A843D0B.1090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A844B3A.2010205@swbell.net> Roy Smith wrote: > Bruce MacArthur wrote: > >> Greetings -- >> >> I shall top-post. >> >> Steven, please let me point something out to you. While it often seems >> quite false, computing is essentially a matter of VERY strict logic and >> sequence. When it seems otherwise, the perception is usually wrong -- >> and is based on erroneous, deceptive, or missing information. And I >> know the problem, first-hand, just about as well as anyone knows it; I >> am a COBOL programmer! >> >> > > [..Major deletion for brevity..] > > > Wow, that was awesome! I could not have said it better myself! > > Right brain and left brain work different. One is pure logic and the other is creativity. Steven uses the creative side of his brain. It deals mainly with intuitive thought process's. No logic involved. There are some people that use only one side of their brain and cannot make the jump to the other side. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:22:40 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:22:40 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908131922.40415.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Seriously Steven, from one artist to another: USE A NOTEBOOK and WRITE DOWN the solutions as you go along. You waste a lot of time leaping from one thing the next and you make the same mistakes over and over. Do you ever finish a painting or a sculpture? This computer jazz is the same thing. Keep notes, learn the tricks, figure out a system for yourself that helps you to get ahead. \d From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Aug 13 17:24:52 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:24:52 -0500 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908131922.40415.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131922.40415.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A844C64.5090707@swbell.net> Donn wrote: > Seriously Steven, from one artist to another: > USE A NOTEBOOK and WRITE DOWN the solutions as you go along. > > You waste a lot of time leaping from one thing the next and you make the same > mistakes over and over. > > Do you ever finish a painting or a sculpture? > > This computer jazz is the same thing. Keep notes, learn the tricks, figure out > a system for yourself that helps you to get ahead. > > > \d > > Steven has already said that he keeps a notebook of all his fixes. It's on his speaker. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From tuxebi at gmx.de Thu Aug 13 17:50:39 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:50:39 +0200 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121629.09297.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908122249.27740.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: John Pierce wrote: >> also Windows might be a good solution here. >> I cannot remember that I ever had to do such things on windows. >> >> Eberhard >> > > I guess if the OP is unwilling/able to learn something new then > windows is what (s)he deserves. Microsoft has been trying to dumb > down the computer user for years, you get what they give you and that > is final. You cannot modify to your liking or functionality needs. I > am sorry for the rant on windows, but I have seen way to much for it > to be coincidence that they turn out the product they do. > Actually, the linux guys always think that Windows dumbs the computer user. While this may be true or not, it is a fact that most people do their job successfully with windows. In contrast, on Linux you can somethimes come to the conclusion that the long route towards a goal is much more important than the goal itself. Eberhard From pwhite at bluewin.ch Thu Aug 13 17:56:39 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:56:39 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908131956.40137.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Thursday 13 August 2009 06:40:40 Steven Vollom, vous avez écrit : > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 06:15:58 pm John L Vifian wrote: > > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 1:12:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > > > sources.list: No such file or directory Take it easy, Steven, there are indeed many many things to "understand" and we all know the beginning is quite steep. But you will learn the essentials progressively. Remember your thread "Locked up in boot process", you were looking in the wrong drive. Likewise the message "No such file or directory" often means you are looking in the wrong place, or you misspelled the name, or exceptionnaly it just isn't there. Unless you're locked up in a command line, just use Dolphin and the 'find-file' in tools (first place yourself in '/' an make sure to 'include the sub-folders'. Now about the command 'less sources.list' If you type 'man less' it doesn't take long to figure out that tjis command is meant to display the content of a big file in a shell (you can scroll up[b] or down[space], [q] to quit), but it is not needed in a graphical environment. So when John Pierce asked you to do "a less sources.list from the CLI" he may as well have said to: find this file in Dolphin and open it with Kate (menu display lets you show line numbers, or F11) "Understanding" 'less' or 'more' or 'vi' or 'cat' or 'cd' or 'ls' does not mean you have at once to know all about them and all their options. If you can only figure out what the command is used for in the given context you will have a broader view and see that you can use other tools you are more familiar with. Familiarity will come with time, don't waste it on every stumbling block and leave for later what you don't understand now. Cheers Perry P.S. In a following related thread you said: > Apparently I did not save the email that this refers to. Strange, my mail is automatically saved in KMail when I download. Mail from this list gets filtered in a 'newUbu' mail folder; after a week or so I copy mail of interest (flagged) in an 'oldUbu' mail folder and *actively* discard what remains. -- BOFH excuse #20: divide-by-zero error From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 18:01:52 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:01:52 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A843780.30900@gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121638.47591.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A843780.30900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131401.52874.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 11:55:44 am Roy Smith wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Monday 10 August 2009 06:51:27 pm clay weber wrote: > >> Steven Vollom wrote: > >>> On Monday 10 August 2009 03:45:02 am Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > >>>> Mandag den 10. august 2009 kvad David McGlone: > >>>>> On Sunday 09 August 2009 06:00:30 pm Clay Weber wrote: > >>>>>> On Sunday 09 August 2009 05:55:27 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >>>>>>> I have tried to install sane so that I can scan. I have > >>>>>>> installed > >>>>> > >>>>> using > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Kpackagekit; I have installed using a CLI, and although it > >>>>> > >>>>> shows as > >>>>> > >>>>>>> installed, in Kpackagekit, it does not open when I Press Alt+F2 > >>>>> > >>>>> and enter > >>>>> > >>>>>>> sane. It does not show in the menu either. Thanks! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Steven > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You need to install skanlite or Xsane for scanning, as sane > >>>>>> itself > >>>>> > >>>>> does not > >>>>> > >>>>> Kooka is better. > >>>> > >>>> And discontinued. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Best regards :o) > >>>> > >>>> Johnny :o) > >>> > >>> Kooka would not download? I have used it in the past and like it. Can > >>> you advise further? Thanks! > >>> Steven > >> > >> Kooka has not been available since Hardy as it is old and not > >> maintained, which is why I did not suggest it. Xsane has a lot of > >> features, while Skanlite is a bit simpler in its interface. I usually > >> install both > >> > >> > >> clay weber > > > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > > sources.list: No such file or directory > > steven at Yeshua:~$ sudo apt-get install skanlite > > [sudo] password for steven: > > E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) > > E: The list of sources could not be read. > > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > Have you tried loading up the /etc/apt/sources.list into a text editor > to see what's wrong with that line? If you're not sure what it's > supposed to be, you could always post the contents of > /etc/apt/sources.list here and someone can tell you how to fix it. It's > possible that line 62 of your sources.list may not be the same as > everyone else's, so that's why we need to see the contents of yours. Dear Roy, Thank you for so many thoughtful responses. I have found how to get the right page. I posted my page, and on line 58, I put a # sign in front of the line and saved it. I am not sure how to further correct the problem. I noticed after applying the # to the line, that after the word 'deb' in that line came a '>' before an http:// address. That '>' was different from the entries above it, but I don't know if the computer added that when I pressed the '#' sign, or if it was there before. If it wasn't there before, it may be the error that is stopping things. Thanks for your continued patience. Steven From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Thu Aug 13 18:03:27 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Command line problems. References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A84484E.1020109@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:07:26 -0500, Roy Smith wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: >> When I attempt to install anything, I get an error that line 52 is >> malformed. When I attempt to open Kate to read line 52 of >> /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens in Kate with no data in the page. >> >> > That's to be expected. Why? Because you're using the wrong filename! > The correct path/filename should be " not > /etc/apt/sources.lst. When you started Kate with the filename > /etc/apt/sources.lst you told it the wrong filename so Kate thought you > were creating a new file because it did not find an exact match for the > filename you had specified. Another thing to watch out for is > capitalization. To Linux THISfile, Thisfile and thisfile would all be > seen as separate files because of the use, or absence of capital letters > in the filename. True. That said, Steven recently had problems with the file "/boot/grub/menu.lst", and now had problems with the file "/etc/apt/sources.list" . Two different extensions for a list of grub stanza's and a list of software sources ;) -Frans From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 18:15:33 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:15:33 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908130934.01963.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908122339.45132.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908130934.01963.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> Message-ID: <200908131415.33697.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 03:34:01 am Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: > Greetings Steven. > > Torsdag den 13. august 2009 kvad Steven Vollom: > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less /etc/apt/sources.lst > > /etc/apt/sources.lst: No such file or directory > > steven at Yeshua:~$ > > The file name is misspelled. > > You are missing an 'i' before 'st'. > > Best regards :o) > > Johnny :o) Thanks Johnny :o, I found that. Additionally, I may have found the error and posted my thoughts. Until I find whether it is the cure, I must leave the post up, but I think the problem may be solved. Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 19:12:34 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:12:34 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A8393E3.7030304@swbell.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908122339.45132.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A8393E3.7030304@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908131512.34239.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim > > When I use the suggested command I get the same result Steven does. > Opening Dolphin and navigating to /etc/apt/ I see the "sources.lst". > Clicking on it opens the "Software Sources" > GUI. I can right click and "Open With" and select Kate and it opens. > There are no line numbers but counting, even the blank lines, I only > have 54 lines. > > Steven, Try using Dolphin and be sure "View Hidden Files" is clicked. > Select "Root" from the left side and navigate to /etc/apt/ and right > click on "sources.lst" > select Kate. From there you can copy/paste the > text into an e-mail. > > -- > Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. > If you can't eat it or play with it, > just pee on it and walk away Thanks Billie. I think I found the reason. I may have even discovered the malformation the error message suggested. I am just not sure I know the proper steps to fix the problem and must wait for an answer. Shortly after I started this post, I received an email off list and copied and pasted the instruction. It had .lst instead of .list. When I used .list, I got the correct information. Since then I have gotten posts suggesting same. It is very exciting to me when things work as expected and very frustrating when they don't. I am a happy camper again and believe I have added a bit of permanent memory. Only time will tell, but each day, I seem to remember more of the things I have heard many times but didn't yet remember. Nice to hear from you again, my friend. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 19:27:32 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:27:32 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908131527.32657.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> trim > > > > Steven, I am going to jump the gun here, > > since you are not able to send your /etc/apt/sources.list > > to us, I am guessing that the malfunctioned line is your ppa repository. > > Just comment out all lines with ppa repositories. Thanks, I am laughing to tears, my friend. But if I comment out all my ppa repositories, don't I remove them from use. Since I have been able to get to the right place, I noticed that on line 58, it reads as follows: #deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main I put the '#' in. But is the '>' supposed to be there. All the other entries do not have that '>'. If that is what is malformed about the entry, can I just open Kate in sudo and remove that '>' and remove "#" and save. Will that fix the problem. > > > > > > explanations: > > you now have karmic, use that to explore kde 4.3, you dont want to mess > > with jaunty. keep it working. > > to edit the sources.list, type > > kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list > > to comment out the ppa repositories, add a # in front of the ppa lines > > and save. > > then do this > > sudo aptitude update > > sudo aptitude safe-upgrade > > > > Regards, > > Goh Lip > > also Windows might be a good solution here. > I cannot remember that I ever had to do such things on windows. > > Eberhard Don't give up on me Eberhard, I am still making headway. Each time I run into a loggerhead like this one, the solution comes. It just takes time; I am still learning and having fun. Windows will never become an option. I will trash and burn my computer first. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 19:35:16 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:35:16 -0400 Subject: Aptitude vs. apt-get Message-ID: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> What are the differences between the two? I typed in sudo apt-get install updates and did not get the response I expected. Then I typed in sudo aptitude and got what I expected. I thought they were pretty much the same. Was I wrong? Additionally, while I am learning this process, I try to use kdesudo most of the time, but when installing new applications I usually use sudo apt-get. I realize that kdesudo is for GUI aps, so that part is not confusing. Yet sudo apt-get usually works for GUI's as well, I believe. I have used aptitude the least, but have it installed, and in the case of updates and safe-upgrades it seem to work the best. Don't bother if this is too stupid a question, I would just like to make a permanent memory of the differences. I suspect I will learn this in time anyway. Thanks! Steven From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 20:13:21 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:13:21 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A844C64.5090707@swbell.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131922.40415.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4A844C64.5090707@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908132213.21455.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 19:24:52 Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Steven has already said that he keeps a notebook of all his fixes. It's > on his speaker. Oh, I guess... he's me. What were the chances? \d From claydoh at midmaine.com Thu Aug 13 20:13:36 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:13:36 -0400 Subject: Aptitude vs. apt-get In-Reply-To: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A8473F0.6070302@midmaine.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > What are the differences between the two? I typed in sudo apt-get install > updates If you typed in EXACTLY 'sudo apt-get install updates', then you WILL get something wrong as the syntax and command for what you are doing is incorrect. when using apt, the command syntax is this: 'sudo apt-get ' so in the command you used above, you are telling apt to install a package with the name 'updates', which of course does not exist. so, some apt commands to remember: sudo apt-get update (no 'S') will update the package list and look for updates sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will install updated packages sudo apt-get install will install said package you specify This is somewhat simplified as there are many more options that can be used, but for daily use these 3 are basically all you need most of the time if you choose the command-line method. But really, without a better understanding of file paths and proper syntax, Synaptic or KPackageKit are much better suited for you. Baby steps are better. Get a complete handle on one thing before jumping somewhere else. clay weber and did not get the response I expected. Then I typed in sudo > aptitude and got what I expected. I thought they were pretty much the same. > Was I wrong? Additionally, while I am learning this process, I try to use > kdesudo most of the time, but when installing new applications I usually use > sudo apt-get. I realize that kdesudo is for GUI aps, so that part is not > confusing. Yet sudo apt-get usually works for GUI's as well, I believe. I > have used aptitude the least, but have it installed, and in the case of > updates and safe-upgrades it seem to work the best. Don't bother if this is > too stupid a question, I would just like to make a permanent memory of the > differences. I suspect I will learn this in time anyway. Thanks! > > Steven > From lanzenesi at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 21:22:47 2009 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:22:47 +0200 Subject: Activities on virtual desktops In-Reply-To: References: <200908111253.02885.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908132322.48145.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:04:18 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > (I just numbered those 1.2. and 3) for the three I have, takes less > space in the panel :) Cute! Is there a way to reduce the widget size when on panel? I can if the widget is on the desktop, but on a panel I feel it would be more usable. Thanks. -- lanzen From jongleur at liripipe.com Thu Aug 13 21:29:00 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:29:00 -0700 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908121515.59053.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908131429.00783.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 9:40:40 pm Steven Vollom wrote: ... > I just read the Description. I have only used the command line entry (l) > when instructed specifically to do so by someone helping me, and have done > so only to provide the info they require to help me. It still confuses me. It confuses you because you don't take the time to learn what the various commands you are using do and how they work. In this case less is a program that lets you view a text file one screenful at a time, and to page forwards and backwards through it, and a whole lot more. In this case less is more than you need. > In the 'Description' portion of "info less", I then get confused when it > refers to 'vi'. Never heard of that command. It also begins the pattern > that causes me difficulty to learn. I am now leaving the focus of my task > with a new term to have to understand to continue. OK I should have looked at the info page first on which the useful reference is to the "more" command. vi is relevant because both vi and less use the same command structure, so that if you know vi (or vim) less will be easier to use. However you don't need to know vi to use less. I agree the amount of info here is hard to digest. There are several important things. The first is that running less is harmless. If you make a mistake in what you type or the people advising you do it won't hurt anything on your computer. If you were running something that changed something on your machine then you probably ought to be more careful. For instance if you are adding a repository via the command line you really ought to make a backup of the current sources.list, so when you make an error you can recover what you previously had. The second is that at its simplest using less consists of the command 'less ' There are a whole bunch of options you can add. In you case running 'less -N /etc/apt/sources.list' might have proven useful since it shows line numbers. Regardless when you ran it you got the message "... No such file or directory", You know what less does, it shows you the contents of a file, if it is telling you that there is No such file or directory it is because the file doesn't exist where you are telling it to look for it, so you either misspelled the file name or you are telling less to look in the wrong place. As it turned out you made both mistakes. When you start konsole or another shell, the commands are run from your home directory. (Note the shell window on Dolphin runs from the current dolphin directory). The default prompt shows what directory you are in. The prompt: steven at Yeshua:~$ shows that you are in your home directory, which is probably /home/steven (and not /home/Yeshua as I had previously stated). Thus to show the file sources.list which is in the /etc/apt directory you either need to tell less the full path and file name of the file or run less from the directory containing the file. So the right command was either: steven at Yeshua:~$ less /etc/apt/sources.list or steven at Yeshua:~$ cd /etc/apt steven at Yeshua:/etc/apt$ less sources.list Note these show the prompt which isn't part of the command. > I realize this is pretty common for you who are experienced, however, > before you have experience, it is difficult enough to read an explanation > of your main focus. When given a reference that refers to a new > application (vi) and doesn't even explain the 'vi??' (it refers to 'vim a > different application)you were directed to review, it starts a pattern of > search that puts someone like me in total confusion. Actually the info file tells you that vi is a text editor, so now you know what vi is. Vim is an i*M*proved version of vi. Neither are GUI based and are a bit difficult to learn. AFAIK the vi in Kubuntu is actually vim but that really doesn't affect you much because you aren't using them, and hopefully won't have to. You might want to try a non-gui editor so that sometime when your system is really messed up and you can only boot into a terminal you can edit the appropriate file and fix your machine. You might try pico which is a bit easier to learn. ... big snip ... > Please reply, John. It would be so helpful to me. Believe it or not, > there are certain aspects of the art field where I am considered the Guru. > It doesn't pad my ego, it just goes to show that right-brain thinkers > sometimes have intellectual gifts as well. I suspect it would take a long > time for me to explain this area to a computer Guru, because not even all > the right-brain thinkers understand this area of my gift. But they all > acknowledge that it is a special gift. And for me it is just easy - the > way I normally think, and not special at all. > > Not intended to elevate your opinion of me, just trying to get you to > understand that I might not be a total zero for intelligence, just more > like a person learning a new language. Look, I'm dyslexic and understand not being able to think, or perform in certain ways. I'm certainly no computer guru, or at least there are really big areas in which I don't know (and don't care to know) much about computers. I really don't mind helping you -- I usually learn something in the process. What is frustrating is that that you seem incurious as to what it is you are doing. When someone gives you a command line snippet to run, you should be trying to understand what and how the command line snippet works and what it does. You should know when the command line will make changes to your system, and to what part of your system. You should know what part of your system to backup before running the command line. If you don't know ask. John Vifian -- Exuberance is better than taste. Gustave Flaubert From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 21:31:46 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:31:46 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908131956.40137.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131956.40137.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908131731.46255.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim > > "Understanding" 'less' or 'more' or 'vi' or 'cat' or 'cd' or 'ls' does not > mean you have at once to know all about them and all their options. If you > can only figure out what the command is used for in the given context you > will have a broader view and see that you can use other tools you are more > familiar with. Familiarity will come with time, don't waste it on every > stumbling block and leave for later what you don't understand now. > > Cheers Perry thanks! > > P.S. In a following related thread you said: > > Apparently I did not save the email that this refers to. > > Strange, my mail is automatically saved in KMail when I download. > Mail from this list gets filtered in a 'newUbu' mail folder; after a week > or so I copy mail of interest (flagged) in an 'oldUbu' mail folder and > *actively* discard what remains. Each day I read my emails. If they gave information I need to remember, I move them to the name of the person who sent them. I keep a folder on just about everyone who has helped me. I delete those that don't contain things I must remember. Sometimes an email has been placed in a folder and I can't remember where it is and have to read them all to find what I need. I haven't yet figured out a way to find the email by its content. They are all filed by the person who is helping me's name. I was told not to make a folder by topic, because it would corrupt the kmail application. I don't understand the why, because it would make things easier if I could save by topic, but I follow instructions as best I am able. I believe I understand these recent instructions better, but I sure could use some advice how to save an email based upon its content that will not corrupt kmail. For instance if the problem was a PPA problem or whatever, a folder that said PPA could contain all the things I learn about PPA. I wish I could save that way, it would bring me to specific topics fast, and I could notice the date posted and find the one I need faster. > Thanks Steven > -- > BOFH excuse #20: divide-by-zero error From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 21:58:51 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:58:51 -0600 Subject: Activities on virtual desktops In-Reply-To: <200908132322.48145.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200908111253.02885.gkourtev@gmail.com> <200908132322.48145.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A848C9B.6040801@gmail.com> lanzen said the following at 08/13/2009 03:22 PM : > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:04:18 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > >> (I just numbered those 1.2. and 3) for the three I have, takes less >> space in the panel :) > > Cute! Is there a way to reduce the widget size when on panel? > Probably not. At bugs.kde.org there have been numerous requests for the ability to resize panel plasmoids, but as far as I know no action has been taken to implement this capability (IIRC my request for this [which was against the clock plasmoid, which occupies a mere 4cm of horizontal space in my panel], like most of my plasma requests, was marked RESOLVED/WONTFIX by Aaron; I'm afraid I've given up making plasma requests or filing plasma bug reports now). Feel free to add your vote to implement resizable panel plasmoids, though; I live in some amount of hope that if enough people ask for it, maybe it will happen regardless of what the lead plasmoid developer thinks. The current open version of this bug is #182193, which (oddly) has the status UNCONFIRMED. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:04:17 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:04:17 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A844C64.5090707@swbell.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131922.40415.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4A844C64.5090707@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908131804.17647.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 01:24:52 pm Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Donn wrote: > > Seriously Steven, from one artist to another: > > USE A NOTEBOOK and WRITE DOWN the solutions as you go along. > > > > You waste a lot of time leaping from one thing the next and you make the > > same mistakes over and over. > > > > Do you ever finish a painting or a sculpture? Not making excuses, but I usually work non-stop on each project. 20 hour days with 8 sleep. I get up four hours later each day and live on a 28 hour schedule, but I don't give my mind a chance to lose it's place. I worked that way for many years, fairly successfully. Additionally creative activity usually doesn't require help from anyone; that kind of defeats the purpose of creation. When making art, no one else has ever done what you are doing and since using the tools doesn't require a teacher, just materials to work with, it is not an intellectual process. Like paint, clay, chalk, ground glass. A person learns by doing, not being taught. I have never had a lesson or class in art, but have worked at it for 60 years and am accomplished in most art medium. The only thing I have ever done in art that is universally accepted (everyone) is some highly decorated, pierced pottery. I have not known anyone who saw one who did not want one. That is rare in are, however, usually they like or hate your work. In painting I have one particular type of oil painting that I do that everyone seems to like. Not necessarily own, but enjoy viewing. It is a very naieve, child like style, much like a five year old might paint. Sculpture is hardest because it usually takes more hard physical work to finish a work. > > > > This computer jazz is the same thing. Keep notes, learn the tricks, > > figure out a system for yourself that helps you to get ahead. I am. You are one of my teachers. > > > > > > \d > > Steven has already said that he keeps a notebook of all his fixes. It's > on his speaker. Record is not a notebook. My current record is in the form of emails, many I have lost due to re-installation and lost records. I have mostly solved that problem now. > > -- > Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. > If you can't eat it or play with it, > just pee on it and walk away I just remember a way that works well for me. I bookmarked the archive for the list. It contains the posts by topic. That should be my solution. Sorry to be such a problem. Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:10:15 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:10:15 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908131922.40415.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131922.40415.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131810.15737.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 01:22:40 pm Donn wrote: > Seriously Steven, from one artist to another: > USE A NOTEBOOK and WRITE DOWN the solutions as you go along. > > You waste a lot of time leaping from one thing the next and you make the > same mistakes over and over. > > Do you ever finish a painting or a sculpture? > > This computer jazz is the same thing. Keep notes, learn the tricks, figure > out a system for yourself that helps you to get ahead. > > > \d There isn't a day that I don't wish I had your abilities. What comes natural for me differs from what comes natural for you. I have heard the same recommendations from so many different people over my lifetime. You are collectively in agreement. And still I have been unable to change. It is not fun being a failure at things that come easy for most other people. And it is not any comfort that I can easily do many things few of you could do. It is just life. But I am changing more than you realize. Computing is so much more fun recently, because or you all. Some of this stuff is becoming natural for me. Thanks! Steven From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 22:24:25 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:24:25 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908131810.15737.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131922.40415.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908131810.15737.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908140024.25924.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Friday 14 August 2009 00:10:15 Steven Vollom wrote: > And still I have been unable to change. Really, how hard can it be to get a little A5 notebook and write things in it? I am *begging* you to start a 'computer diary' -- don't rely on the email threads because you have demonstrated that you keep losing the plot. Have a few pages for apt/aptitude stuff : record the correct commands in the book. Then, look them up. It really saves wear on the brain. \d From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:36:12 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:36:12 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A844B3A.2010205@swbell.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A843D0B.1090800@gmail.com> <4A844B3A.2010205@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908131836.12867.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 01:19:54 pm Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Roy Smith wrote: > > Bruce MacArthur wrote: > >> Greetings -- > >> > >> I shall top-post. > >> > >> Steven, please let me point something out to you. While it often seems > >> quite false, computing is essentially a matter of VERY strict logic and > >> sequence. When it seems otherwise, the perception is usually wrong -- > >> and is based on erroneous, deceptive, or missing information. And I > >> know the problem, first-hand, just about as well as anyone knows it; I > >> am a COBOL programmer! I am totally sure that you are right. Nonetheless, I am invading foreign ground. What is written just below is perfect. It comes from someone who understands the plight of an artist. > > > > [..Major deletion for brevity..] > > > > > > Wow, that was awesome! I could not have said it better myself! > > Right brain and left brain work different. One is pure logic and the > other is creativity. Steven uses the creative side of his brain. It > deals mainly with intuitive thought process's. No logic involved. There > are some people that use only one side of their brain and cannot make > the jump to the other side. I am not sure that no logic is involved, just a different view. I see whole concepts, not the pieces. I see them a lot faster than a logical thinker. It is almost instantaneous much of the time. A painting which is similar to logical thinking is 'realism'. In realism, each little detail must be copied exactly or the image does not look like the person you are painting or the building or whatever. The shape of an eyelid that will succeed is one that is not only perfect in shape, but an exact distance from an eyebrow, with it's shape perfect. Every flaw of the skin must be in place or you have in essence corrected something distinctive in the natural creation. In portrait painting there is virtually no creativity involved. The work is mechanical and exacting and requires a good technician. It is extremely hard work, and I take my hat off to portrait painters. I can do it as well as anyone, but it gives me headaches and is no fun at all, just like when I am stymied by a computer problem that doesn't seem to have a fix. And if I hadn't quit painting realistic paintings about 25 years ago, I would have quit making art completely. It took the fun out of being an artist. And, if you paint a portrait of a person who has a bright purplish birthmark occupying half his or her face, and retain the intensity of the real color, you won't necessarily have a happy client. It is not a flaw in those you love, so you don't even notice anything so irrelevant, but when it becomes a painting, you had better focus a bright light source in its direction so you can bleach out most of the color, because eliminating it or subduing it without a logical reason will make the work fail. They know it is there. It is not something they have ever been able to change, and yet in a painting, realism is not always your friend, even though for me such a condition can be quite beautiful. I remember a glorious friend who had very crooked teeth. When she got enough money, she had them made perfect. The trouble is, I loved her as she was, and the repair made her look not real. In fact that imperfection was part of her uniqueness and beauty. For me it was not an improvement over her original beauty. Re-manufactured boobs have the same effect on me. Tiny real boobs are much more beautiful to me than large fake ones. And they almost always look fake when they are. Sorry to linger on, but the above comment nailed it for me. Steven > > -- > Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. > If you can't eat it or play with it, > just pee on it and walk away From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:36:46 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:36:46 -0400 Subject: FIXED Re: sane THANKS In-Reply-To: <200908131004.15123.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131004.15123.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908131836.46656.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 01:04:14 pm John L Vifian wrote: > On Thursday 13 August 2009 9:30:26 am John Pierce wrote: > > > Wow, that was awesome! I could not have said it better myself! > > > > I am going to go out on a limb here, the problem line appears to be: > > > > deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main > > > > You really need to remove the > symbol from that line. I just edited > > mine sources.list file and place that symbol in the file. I then > > tried sudo apt-get update and the malformed line error was the output. > > I think that probably is a problem but line # 62 which he had previously > reported as causing problems in the text he sent is: > > deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt jaunty main #WineHQ - Ubuntu 9.04 > > If he deletes the part after "main" it should fix the problem. > > Also line 63 appears in Steven's email as: "Jaunty Jackalope" > > This is probably kmail wrapping a long line and is probably the end of line > 62, but if not it should be deleted too. > > > John Vifian > -- > When authorities warn you of the sinfulness of sex, there is an important > lesson to be learned: Do not have sex with the authorities. > Matt Groening, Life is Hell From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:38:28 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:38:28 -0400 Subject: SOLVED Re: sane THANKS In-Reply-To: References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A843D0B.1090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131838.28100.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 12:30:26 pm John Pierce wrote: > > Wow, that was awesome! I could not have said it better myself! > > I am going to go out on a limb here, the problem line appears to be: > > deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main > > You really need to remove the > symbol from that line. I just edited > mine sources.list file and place that symbol in the file. I then > tried sudo apt-get update and the malformed line error was the output. > > > -- > John > Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > http://counter.li.org The improper entry '>' was a good thing to happen for me. It gave me a real example of what to look for when a mistake shows up in the CLI. Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:41:42 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:41:42 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A843D0B.1090800@gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908130019.26087.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <4A843D0B.1090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131841.42875.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 12:19:23 pm Roy Smith wrote: > Bruce MacArthur wrote: > > Greetings -- > > > > I shall top-post. > > > > Steven, please let me point something out to you. While it often seems > > quite false, computing is essentially a matter of VERY strict logic and > > sequence. When it seems otherwise, the perception is usually wrong -- > > and is based on erroneous, deceptive, or missing information. And I > > know the problem, first-hand, just about as well as anyone knows it; I > > am a COBOL programmer! > > [..Major deletion for brevity..] > > > Wow, that was awesome! I could not have said it better myself! I am laughing right now, Roy, because I don't know if you were siding with the criticism or the response. Anyway, I am happy you were happy with whichever part you were in agreement with. If him, I wish I could be other than I am. If my response, it would be nice to know that someone understood the plight of an artist in a logic situation. I feel like the only nudist in the local church. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:42:50 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:42:50 -0400 Subject: RESOLVED Re: sane THANKS In-Reply-To: <4A8439F9.1010804@gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908130048.26198.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A8439F9.1010804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131842.50750.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 12:06:17 pm Roy Smith wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 05:35:10 pm John DeCarlo wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Steven Vollom > >> > >> wrote: > >>> On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:31:02 am John Pierce wrote: > >>>> Can you do a less sources.list from the CLI and post the result? > >>> > >>> steven at Yeshua:~$ less sources.list > >>> sources.list: No such file or directory > >>> steven at Yeshua:~$ > >> > >> Try > >> > >> less /etc/apt/sources.list > > > > I remember there was a key that I could press that would number the lines > > in a list. It is lost among several thousand saved emails. I can't > > remember who gave the information, so I can't remember how to review it. > > I also do not understand a proper entry for a google search for this > > information. What would you google if you wanted to know the key to hit > > to get a list numbered? > > In Linux, doesn't matter which distro you use, there are 2 ways to find > out command arguments and syntax in a terminal and you don't even need > Internet access. They are: > > --help (gives a quick list of arguments and syntax) > man (gives a detailed description on using the command) > > Naturally you'd replace with the command you're interested in > learning more about. This was quite helpful. Thanks Roy. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:45:56 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:45:56 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908131845.56191.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 01:50:39 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote: > John Pierce wrote: > >> also Windows might be a good solution here. > >> I cannot remember that I ever had to do such things on windows. > >> > >> Eberhard > > > > I guess if the OP is unwilling/able to learn something new then > > windows is what (s)he deserves. Microsoft has been trying to dumb > > down the computer user for years, you get what they give you and that > > is final. You cannot modify to your liking or functionality needs. I > > am sorry for the rant on windows, but I have seen way to much for it > > to be coincidence that they turn out the product they do. > > Actually, the linux guys always think that Windows dumbs the > computer user. > > While this may be true or not, it is a fact that most people > do their job successfully with windows. > > In contrast, on Linux you can somethimes come to the > conclusion that the long route towards a goal is much more > important than the goal itself. > > Eberhard You are perhaps my favorite guru, Eberhard, but for many reasons, I am unable to go back to windows; it would be like chewing ice on a cracked tooth with a live nerve. I still count your advice as stellar. Nice to hear your voice again my friend. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:47:09 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:47:09 -0400 Subject: RESOLVED Re: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. THANKS In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <9844155d0908122247s5b3e4362reca3e23cfe43d846@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131847.10059.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 09:15:36 am John Pierce wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:47 AM, David Kuntadi wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Steven Vollom > > > > wrote: > >> deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty > >> main. If this line is causing my problem, what do I do to repair the > >> problem, delete it? And if i delete it, what will happen to the > >> application it is needed for? > >> > >> This is very interesting stuff. Thanks! > >> > >> Steven > > > > Open terminal, and copy and paste below command: > > > > sudo perl -pi -e 's/deb >/deb/g;' '/etc/apt/sources.list' > > > > After that try sudo apt-get update. > > > > DK > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Correct, he needs to get rid of the ">" symbol in that source line. > > -- > John > Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > http://counter.li.org From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 22:59:47 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:59:47 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908130101.08334.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908131859.47904.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 01:36:55 am Goh Lip wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free > > deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free > > deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt jaunty main #WineHQ - Ubuntu 9.04 > > "Jaunty Jackalope" > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bz/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main > > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/bz/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main > > deb http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/debian intrepid main > > deb-src http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/debian intrepid main > > deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main > > > > The Kate window looked like there might be more data, but I couldn't get > > the screen to scroll or page up or page down. Does it look like I > > supplied the entire list? If not, how do I scroll that page? Thank you. > > > > Steven > > > >>> I am baffled. When I hit F11, it put the number 1 on the first line > >>> with cursor blinking and no data. No data at all. > > > > deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty > > main. If this line is causing my problem, what do I do to repair the > > problem, delete it? And if i delete it, what will happen to the > > application it is needed for? > > Just to be sure, at Dolphin, help,about kde, what is your kde version > number? KDE 4.2.2. > > In case you did not receive my earlier message, (are you using kmail > now? what happens to old messages? and why are you repeating questions > others have replied to?), comment out the ppa repositories. I will also > recommend commenting out the medibuntu repositories. As for moblock..... I have only used kmail for about a year now. > > Steven, one thing to note, when there is a new change, like from kde > 4.2.2 to kde 4.3, the 'external' repositories may gum up your computer, > as these repositories sometimes need some files which may conflict with > the newer upgrades. So when you add more complications to it, I would > not be surprised if you keep hitting all the problems you are getting. This is not a karmic problem it is in the final version of Jaunty. What I like about this problem was the fact that when I got to the line that had the problem, I was able to see the problem without help. I compared it to the other entries and it had a '>' between the deb and the http://. The others did not have that, so when I mentioned it, I got several confirmations of what was wrong. When I removed it and also removed the #, it was repaired. Wow, Goh Lip, I have only had two problems in over a month. You fixed the one, and I learned a lot from the instruction and from the problem. It was a win win situation as far as I am concerned. The current problem isn't such a big deal. It kept me from using the CLI for a couple of days, but I learned, by action, how to look for an error in a computer application. I am just thrilled with the results. Actually Jaunty has become so stable, I may have to move my attentions to Karmic just to stimulate learning. I do respect every opinion you have, though, my very good friend. What was amazing was your repair of my previous problem seemed such an easy solution for you, and the list had difficulty with it. But without the lingering solution, I may not have come to an understanding. I really think if a similar problem arises, I will have the solution without looking at notes or reviewing emails. What could be better than that. Before I was afraid to enter Kate in sudo mode, now I will be careful, but will search out the instruction from the CLI before I trouble the list. That feels like progress. My love and regards to you and yours. Steven > You may think it's a great learning experience, I don't. > > Regards, > Goh Lip From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 23:01:11 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:01:11 -0400 Subject: Command line problems.-OT In-Reply-To: <200908131034.28758.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131034.28758.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131901.11076.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 04:34:28 am Donn wrote: > On Thursday 13 August 2009 05:47:18 Goh Lip wrote: > > Donn, Phil? You mean 'Dr Phil?' You listen to such stuff? > > You wound me Sir! :) > > "Punxsutawney Phil" is my new nickname for Steven. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day_%28film%29 > > \d Let's not hurt anyone. Punxsutawney Phil s From jongleur at liripipe.com Thu Aug 13 23:05:44 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:05:44 -0700 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908131731.46255.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131956.40137.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908131731.46255.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908131605.45132.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 2:31:46 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > Each day I read my emails. If they gave information I need to remember, I > move them to the name of the person who sent them. I keep a folder on just > about everyone who has helped me. I delete those that don't contain things > I must remember. Sometimes an email has been placed in a folder and I > can't remember where it is and have to read them all to find what I need. > I haven't yet figured out a way to find the email by its content. In Kmail open the folder you want to search. Type "s", to open the search dialog. Enter the terms you want to search for and click "search" > I believe I understand these recent instructions better, but I sure could > use some advice how to save an email based upon its content that will not > corrupt kmail. For instance if the problem was a PPA problem or whatever, > a folder that said PPA could contain all the things I learn about PPA. I > wish I could save that way, it would bring me to specific topics fast, and > I could notice the date posted and find the one I need faster. There is no reason you can't have a folder named PPA in kmail. John Vifian -- I am at two with nature. Woody Allen From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 23:11:15 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:11:15 -0400 Subject: Command line problems. In-Reply-To: References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A84484E.1020109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131911.15684.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 02:03:27 pm Frans Ketelaars wrote: > On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:07:26 -0500, Roy Smith wrote: > > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> When I attempt to install anything, I get an error that line 52 is > >> malformed. When I attempt to open Kate to read line 52 of > >> /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens in Kate with no data in the page. > > > > That's to be expected. Why? Because you're using the wrong filename! > > The correct path/filename should be " not > > /etc/apt/sources.lst. When you started Kate with the filename > > /etc/apt/sources.lst you told it the wrong filename so Kate thought you > > were creating a new file because it did not find an exact match for the > > filename you had specified. When I cut and paste, I sometimes carry an unintended error by someone helping me. I am pretty sure that is what happened. .lst did not stand out as an error when I read it. Many times abbreviated forms of of words are used. When it was pointed out, I tried it and it solved the dilemma. I accept blame, but it is not a mistake I mind taking responsibility for; it happens in computing. > > Another thing to watch out for is > > capitalization. To Linux THISfile, Thisfile and thisfile would all be > > seen as separate files because of the use, or absence of capital letters > > in the filename. I have become reasonably careful about that. I just didn't see .lst as a potential wrong entry for list. Kind of like BTW. > > True. That said, Steven recently had problems with the file > "/boot/grub/menu.lst", and now had problems with the file > "/etc/apt/sources.list" . Two different extensions for a list of grub > stanza's and a list of software sources ;) The boot grub problem was when I was working with a live CD. It too was a new experience. Since I do not even know what boot or grub do, other than it is required to make the computer work, finding sources.list missing makes sense to me now. While it was happening, it felt like computer demons. Everyone agreed what did not work for me. I feel a little stupid now, but it won't happen again, so it was a good mistake as far as I am concerned. > > -Frans That is true, but I may have it now. It is just an area I had no experience with, at least with any understanding. I learned a bunch, and should not return with the same problem, hopefully. I am very grateful for the last two helps; both were very fruitful. Many times I have had to live with a solution and no understanding. That is not the case here. Both gave me permanent instruction. Thanks!! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 23:12:23 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:12:23 -0400 Subject: Problem SOLVED Re: Command line problems. THANKS In-Reply-To: <4A84484E.1020109@gmail.com> References: <200908121703.12853.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A84484E.1020109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131912.23405.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 01:07:26 pm Roy Smith wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > When I attempt to install anything, I get an error that line 52 is > > malformed. When I attempt to open Kate to read line 52 of > > /etc/apt/sources.lst, it opens in Kate with no data in the page. > > That's to be expected. Why? Because you're using the wrong filename! > The correct path/filename should be /etc/apt/sources.list not > /etc/apt/sources.lst. When you started Kate with the filename > /etc/apt/sources.lst you told it the wrong filename so Kate thought you > were creating a new file because it did not find an exact match for the > filename you had specified. Another thing to watch out for is > capitalization. To Linux THISfile, Thisfile and thisfile would all be > seen as separate files because of the use, or absence of capital letters > in the filename. already answered. Thanks Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 23:21:59 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:21:59 -0400 Subject: Aptitude vs. apt-get In-Reply-To: <4A8473F0.6070302@midmaine.com> References: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A8473F0.6070302@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908131921.59762.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 04:13:36 pm clay weber wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > What are the differences between the two? I typed in sudo apt-get > > install updates > > If you typed in EXACTLY 'sudo apt-get install updates', then you WILL > get something wrong as the syntax and command for what you are doing is > incorrect. > > when using apt, the command syntax is this: > 'sudo apt-get ' > > so in the command you used above, you are telling apt to install a > package with the name 'updates', which of course does not exist. When I use sudo aptitude install update it produced work. I am confused a bit here still, because I thought I used the term updates with aptitude, but because it worked, I assume it was just update. > > so, some apt commands to remember: > > sudo apt-get update (no 'S') will update the package list and look for > updates Does this means all applications that I have installed? It is just searching for updates, then, is that right? > > sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will install updated packages And this orders the installation. Is that correct? > > sudo apt-get install will install said package you > specify Can this be used to install a GUI application too. It seems like I have done that many times, but I realize I should always use kdesudo for GUI's. > > This is somewhat simplified as there are many more options that can be > used, but for daily use these 3 are basically all you need most of the > time if you choose the command-line method. > > But really, without a better understanding of file paths and proper > syntax, Synaptic or KPackageKit are much better suited for you. Baby > steps are better. Get a complete handle on one thing before jumping > somewhere else. I am getting comfortable using the CLI for this purpose. You have answered many questions I needed to ask but did not realize it. Thanks very much. This is a wonderful reply. This was a perfect reply. I really learned from it. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 23:31:50 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:31:50 -0400 Subject: Monitor Shutting off In-Reply-To: <200908131044.52072.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200908131044.52072.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200908131931.50355.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 10:44:52 am David McGlone wrote: > This is from my previous post, asking why my monitor was shutting > off when using the Gimp. > > I have found that it has something to do with the Desktop effects. A > few minutes ago, I dragged a widget to my desktop and my monitor > shut off and I couldn't recover without a reboot. After reboot, I tried > dragging the widget again and got the same symptom, so I reset and > turned off openGL and the desktop effects and Dragged the widgets > without a problem. > > So I guess it didn't have anything to do with the Gimp after all. > > -- > Blessings, > David M. > http://www.dmcentral.net Dear David, Dragging widgets is my favored way of installing them. It does not affect my monitor. If it only happens with Gimp, perhaps you were right in the first place. I have Gimp too, and don't have that problem. Perhaps there is something else that is causing the problem. I had monitor problems when I did not have pci=nomsi in the boot instructions at the end of the kernel entries. I have a 9600 nVidia Gforce video card. I also have onboard video, 9400 Gforce without the open Gl capabilities, I believe that also works at the same time on my motherboard, but adding pci=nomsi fixed that problem. Also I had some trouble using improper video drivers. They really worked well, however when I installed the proper drivers, everything got very much better. I am not qualified to help, but perhaps it will stimulate someone more knowledgeable to get involved, after my attempt to help. Nice to hear your voice again. Steven From jongleur at liripipe.com Thu Aug 13 23:37:26 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:37:26 -0700 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908131804.17647.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A844C64.5090707@swbell.net> <200908131804.17647.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908131637.26544.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 3:04:17 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > I just remember a way that works well for me. I bookmarked the archive for > the list. It contains the posts by topic. It also contains the posts by thread, date and author. You can also search it using google: For instance: vollom "sources.list" site:lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/ will return links to posts with your last name in the post and the phrase sources.list. There are about 40 of these. To do this you need the phrase: "site:lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu- users/" in the google search field, as well as the phrases that you are searching for. You can also download the archives which are in mbox format and import them into kmail which has better searching and sorting capabilities. Seriously there is no reason for you to be losing or missing emails here. John Vifian -- Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator, but among those whom I love I can: all of them make me laugh. WH Auden, The Dryer's Hand From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 23:43:07 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:43:07 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) =?iso-8859-1?q?=09E=3A_The_list_of_sources_could_not_be?= read. In-Reply-To: <4A80CE04.2000102@midmaine.com> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A80CE04.2000102@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908131943.07866.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim > > How are you opening /etc/apt/sources.list, with kate? > You will need to use "kdesudo kate" to open and edit the file manually. I didn't answer this Clay. I apologize. I open Kate from Dolphin with the f4 option. I type in kdesudo kate > I was going over old emails. I apparently did not respond to your good and kind work. Just so you know how I usually do it I replied a little late, but you have my answer. Thanks friend. No disrespect was intended. Steven From mmtsales at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 23:46:38 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:46:38 -0300 Subject: Aptitude vs. apt-get In-Reply-To: <200908131921.59762.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A8473F0.6070302@midmaine.com> <200908131921.59762.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908132046.38831.mmtsales@gmail.com> Em Quinta-feira 13 Agosto 2009, Steven Vollom escreveu: > On Thursday 13 August 2009 04:13:36 pm clay weber wrote: > > Steven Vollom wrote: (...) > > sudo apt-get install will install said package > > you specify > > Can this be used to install a GUI application too. It seems like I > have done that many times, but I realize I should always use kdesudo > for GUI's. Yes, you can use that to install any application. kdesudo should be used to *run* GUI applications as root, not to install them. []'s Marcelo From claydoh at midmaine.com Fri Aug 14 01:52:24 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:52:24 -0400 Subject: Aptitude vs. apt-get In-Reply-To: <200908131921.59762.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A8473F0.6070302@midmaine.com> <200908131921.59762.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908132152.24729.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 07:21:59 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > On Thursday 13 August 2009 04:13:36 pm clay weber wrote: > > Steven Vollom wrote: > > > What are the differences between the two? I typed in sudo apt-get > > > install updates > > > > If you typed in EXACTLY 'sudo apt-get install updates', then you WILL > > get something wrong as the syntax and command for what you are doing is > > incorrect. > > > > when using apt, the command syntax is this: > > 'sudo apt-get ' > > > > so in the command you used above, you are telling apt to install a > > package with the name 'updates', which of course does not exist. > > When I use sudo aptitude install update it produced work. I am confused a > bit here still, because I thought I used the term updates with aptitude, > but because it worked, I assume it was just update. That command does produce some output, but if you *read* that output you would see that it actually did nothing, and said a lot doing so :) > > so, some apt commands to remember: > > > > sudo apt-get update (no 'S') will update the package list and look for > > updates > > Does this means all applications that I have installed? It is just > searching for updates, then, is that right? Correct > > sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will install updated packages > > And this orders the installation. Is that correct? Correct :) > > sudo apt-get install will install said package you > > specify > > Can this be used to install a GUI application too. It seems like I have > done that many times, but I realize I should always use kdesudo for GUI's. Any package can be installed this way, but you have to know the correct name of the package, which often is not obvious. Remember : kdesudo is for *running* graphical programs with sudo privileges. Apt-get and aptitude are *cli* programs, so sudo is the correct thing to use there. > > This is somewhat simplified as there are many more options that can be > > used, but for daily use these 3 are basically all you need most of the > > time if you choose the command-line method. > > > > But really, without a better understanding of file paths and proper > > syntax, Synaptic or KPackageKit are much better suited for you. Baby > > steps are better. Get a complete handle on one thing before jumping > > somewhere else. > > I am getting comfortable using the CLI for this purpose. You have answered > many questions I needed to ask but did not realize it. Thanks very much. > This is a wonderful reply. > > This was a perfect reply. I really learned from it. > > Steven -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 06:48:35 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:48:35 +0200 Subject: Aptitude vs. apt-get In-Reply-To: <200908132152.24729.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A8473F0.6070302@midmaine.com> <200908131921.59762.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908132152.24729.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4A8508C3.5050106@gmail.com> Clay Weber wrote: > On Thursday 13 August 2009 07:21:59 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >> On Thursday 13 August 2009 04:13:36 pm clay weber wrote: >>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>>> What are the differences between the two? I typed in sudo apt-get >>>> install updates >>> If you typed in EXACTLY 'sudo apt-get install updates', then you WILL >>> get something wrong as the syntax and command for what you are doing is >>> incorrect. >>> >>> when using apt, the command syntax is this: >>> 'sudo apt-get ' >>> >>> so in the command you used above, you are telling apt to install a >>> package with the name 'updates', which of course does not exist. >> When I use sudo aptitude install update it produced work. I am confused a >> bit here still, because I thought I used the term updates with aptitude, >> but because it worked, I assume it was just update. > > That command does produce some output, but if you *read* that output you would > see that it actually did nothing, and said a lot doing so :) > >>> so, some apt commands to remember: >>> >>> sudo apt-get update (no 'S') will update the package list and look for >>> updates >> Does this means all applications that I have installed? It is just >> searching for updates, then, is that right? > > Correct > >>> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will install updated packages >> And this orders the installation. Is that correct? > > Correct :) > not that I am an expert on apt-get or aptitude but I would be really careful with "dist-upgrade" as you might upgrade version without quite realising it. At least as I understand it. Normally "sudo apt-get upgrade" should be adequate if you have done "sudo apt-get update" first. Personally I use "sudo aptitude update" followed by "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade". Aptitude will hold back packages like new kernel etc if you use safe-upgrade. You can then judge if you want any held back packages and if so do "sudo aptitude full-upgrade". It is not really that apt-get is better than aptitude or vice versa, they approach dependencies to other packages etc differently. Hope that helps even if it does not fully answer the original query. Sinclair From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 07:10:08 2009 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:10:08 +0400 Subject: Thunderbird & KDE In-Reply-To: <4A8402A0.2060203@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <4A83F158.6010201@gmail.com> <4A83F5C1.7060200@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4A83FA82.4090706@gmail.com> <4A8402A0.2060203@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4A850DD0.2010807@gmail.com> Chris Jones пишет: >> thanks for the answer. After i press "view and edit actions" button, i >> have a window opened with search bar at the top and empty list at the >> bottom. How do i add new action there? It doesn't react to my left-right >> mouse clicks, no any context menus, no button "add". >> My T-bird is from jaunty repos - version 2.0.0.22 >> > > Yes you are correct. I also see no add button. > > As your list is empty, then presumably when you try and open an > attachment it asks you what do ( if not, you can probably enable this > somewhere in your preferences). > > When TB does ask, just set it up to open with whatever you want and save > it. Repeat for whatever other attachment types you get as and when they > arrive. > > cheers Chris Hello Chris. I must be not understanding something, but when i try to open "*.XLSX" attachment, T-bird doesn't ask me to open it, but offers only "Save BIN file" and "Cancel". I'm not offered to select application to handle the attachment at this step. From a at gaydenko.com Fri Aug 14 10:06:15 2009 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:06:15 +0400 Subject: Karmic logout Message-ID: <200908141406.15744.a@gaydenko.com> Hi! Has anybody thoughts wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/412692 ? Andrew From lanzenesi at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 11:16:12 2009 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:16:12 +0200 Subject: Activities on virtual desktops In-Reply-To: <4A848C9B.6040801@gmail.com> References: <200908111253.02885.gkourtev@gmail.com> <200908132322.48145.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <4A848C9B.6040801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908141316.12616.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 23:58:51 D. R. Evans wrote: > The current open version of this bug is #182193, which (oddly) has the > status UNCONFIRMED. Thank you, Doc. I will check that out. -- lanzen From kassube at gmx.net Fri Aug 14 11:18:03 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:18:03 +0200 Subject: How to edit touch pad functions In-Reply-To: <8abf83c20908130700n340d3936h39a1ed3ca3ac6b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8abf83c20908130700n340d3936h39a1ed3ca3ac6b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908141318.03711.kassube@gmx.net> Sascha Güthling wrote: > I recently noticed that when I tap twice in the lower right corner of > my touch pad the context menu is opened. On mine a single tap at the lower right corner is enough to simulate right-click. > There is also a function in > the upper right corner but I can't figure out what exactly it does. That one simulates middle-click. > Does anybody know how I can edit these functions? I already tried the > System Settings but was unable to find the right section. Is there > another program that offers options? I don't know of a GUI way but maybe the information from "man synaptics" is what you're looking for. Nils From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 12:35:01 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:35:01 +0200 Subject: How to edit touch pad functions In-Reply-To: <8abf83c20908130700n340d3936h39a1ed3ca3ac6b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8abf83c20908130700n340d3936h39a1ed3ca3ac6b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908141435.01440.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 August 2009 16:00:57 Sascha Güthling wrote: > Is there another program > that offers options? Try installing gsynaptics. It helped on my little Acer notebook. \d From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 14:05:47 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:05:47 +0200 Subject: Aptitude vs. apt-get In-Reply-To: <4A8508C3.5050106@gmail.com> References: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A8473F0.6070302@midmaine.com> <200908131921.59762.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908132152.24729.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4A8508C3.5050106@gmail.com> Message-ID: to really see the difference type sudo apt-get don't expect much then sudo aptitude surprise! -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 14:07:55 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:07:55 +0200 Subject: Aptitude vs. apt-get In-Reply-To: References: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A8473F0.6070302@midmaine.com> <200908131921.59762.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908132152.24729.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4A8508C3.5050106@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Knapp wrote: > to really see the difference type > sudo apt-get > don't expect much > then > sudo aptitude > surprise! I forgot to say this too. man aptitude man apt-get -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From claydoh at midmaine.com Fri Aug 14 14:18:56 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:18:56 -0400 Subject: Aptitude vs. apt-get In-Reply-To: <4A8508C3.5050106@gmail.com> References: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A8473F0.6070302@midmaine.com> <200908131921.59762.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908132152.24729.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4A8508C3.5050106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A857250.1000302@midmaine.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Clay Weber wrote: >> On Thursday 13 August 2009 07:21:59 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >>> On Thursday 13 August 2009 04:13:36 pm clay weber wrote: >>>> Steven Vollom wrote: >>>>> What are the differences between the two? I typed in sudo apt-get >>>>> install updates >>>> If you typed in EXACTLY 'sudo apt-get install updates', then you WILL >>>> get something wrong as the syntax and command for what you are doing is >>>> incorrect. >>>> >>>> when using apt, the command syntax is this: >>>> 'sudo apt-get ' >>>> >>>> so in the command you used above, you are telling apt to install a >>>> package with the name 'updates', which of course does not exist. >>> When I use sudo aptitude install update it produced work. I am confused a >>> bit here still, because I thought I used the term updates with aptitude, >>> but because it worked, I assume it was just update. >> That command does produce some output, but if you *read* that output you would >> see that it actually did nothing, and said a lot doing so :) >> >>>> so, some apt commands to remember: >>>> >>>> sudo apt-get update (no 'S') will update the package list and look for >>>> updates >>> Does this means all applications that I have installed? It is just >>> searching for updates, then, is that right? >> Correct >> >>>> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will install updated packages >>> And this orders the installation. Is that correct? >> Correct :) >> > not that I am an expert on apt-get or aptitude but I would be really > careful with "dist-upgrade" as you might upgrade version without quite > realising it. At least as I understand it. No, it won't. regular 'upgrade' will not install any new packages, while 'dist-upgrade' will install new packages. Say an updated version of Amamrok needs an extra library the older version does not use. 'upgrade' will only update Amarok, but not install the new library (or not upgrade Amarok at all iirc). Dist-upgrade will. > Normally "sudo apt-get upgrade" should be adequate if you have done > "sudo apt-get update" first. > > Personally I use "sudo aptitude update" followed by "sudo aptitude > safe-upgrade". Aptitude will hold back packages like new kernel etc if > you use safe-upgrade. You can then judge if you want any held back > packages and if so do "sudo aptitude full-upgrade". > > It is not really that apt-get is better than aptitude or vice versa, > they approach dependencies to other packages etc differently. > > Hope that helps even if it does not fully answer the original query. > > Sinclair > In Steven's case, I think the simplest and least confusing actions are probably the best for this. clay weber From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 15:10:37 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:10:37 -0600 Subject: desktop search inside OOo documents? Message-ID: <4A857E6D.8050205@gmail.com> I have a hierarchy of directories containing several hundred OpenOffice.org Writer documents. How do I desktop search through them all looking for a particular piece of text (which I know occurs in at least one of them somewhere, but I have no idea which directory/file contains it)? I never can figure out what all these fancy new things like krunner/nepomuk are supposed to do; they never seem to do anything useful for me; do I just need to bite the bullet and forget about the KDE tools and install google desktop search? Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 15:29:54 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:29:54 +0200 Subject: desktop search inside OOo documents? In-Reply-To: <4A857E6D.8050205@gmail.com> References: <4A857E6D.8050205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908141729.54148.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Friday 14 August 2009 17:10:37 D. R. Evans wrote: > How do I desktop search through them all looking for a particular piece of > text (which I know occurs in at least one of them somewhere, but I have no > idea which directory/file contains it)? Best I could find, chop-chop: http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archives/archives-programming- scripting/337622-using-grep-openoffice-files.html > I never can figure out what all these fancy new things like krunner/nepomuk > are supposed to do; Hey, I thought I was alone! Can I join your club :D \d From g.lip at gmx.com Fri Aug 14 16:08:15 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:08:15 +0800 Subject: desktop search inside OOo documents? In-Reply-To: <200908141729.54148.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <4A857E6D.8050205@gmail.com> <200908141729.54148.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: Donn wrote: > Best I could find, chop-chop: Chop,chop? Phil? Hey, this is an english language list. Regards ;) Goh Lip From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 17:04:22 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:04:22 +0200 Subject: desktop search inside OOo documents? In-Reply-To: References: <4A857E6D.8050205@gmail.com> <200908141729.54148.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908141904.22940.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Friday 14 August 2009 18:08:15 Goh Lip wrote: > Chop,chop? Phil? Hey, this is an english language list. Sorry Goh, perhaps my lingo is too local :D \d From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 17:17:09 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:17:09 +0200 Subject: desktop search inside OOo documents? In-Reply-To: <200908141904.22940.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <4A857E6D.8050205@gmail.com> <200908141729.54148.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908141904.22940.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Donn wrote: > On Friday 14 August 2009 18:08:15 Goh Lip wrote: >> Chop,chop? Phil? Hey, this is an english language list. > Sorry Goh, perhaps my lingo is too local :D > They say chop-chop in the new Ice age movie :-) / Jonas From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 19:42:34 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:42:34 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. Message-ID: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> I updated Jaunty this morning on my new computer. When I tried to post a question, I got an error message sending failed smtp.att.yahoo.com. I tried my browser and it works fine. I am not sure what these commands actually accomplish, however, they were not successful either: kdesudo aptitude update and sudo dpkg --configure -a. Suggestions please? Steven From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 20:31:44 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:31:44 -0600 Subject: desktop search inside OOo documents? In-Reply-To: <200908141729.54148.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <4A857E6D.8050205@gmail.com> <200908141729.54148.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A85C9B0.3070603@gmail.com> Donn said the following at 08/14/2009 09:29 AM : > Best I could find, chop-chop: > http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archives/archives-programming- > scripting/337622-using-grep-openoffice-files.html Yes, I was kind of hoping that we had advanced to the point where I wouldn't need to write (or steal-and-modify) a script. Somehow it doesn't seem like that should be necessary in 2009. > >> I never can figure out what all these fancy new things like krunner/nepomuk >> are supposed to do; > Hey, I thought I was alone! Can I join your club :D I keep thinking I'm alone... but then sanity sets in and I figure that the unwashed masses of users have simply given up drawing attention to the fact that it/they simply doesn't/don't give predictably useful results. So yes, you can join the club; the only requirement is that you have tried your best to make the new stuff return useful results and have given up. Every few months I try to search for something, just to see if things have improved, but I don't believe I've ever received a single useful result from such a test. Even searching for stuff that I know is on my system doesn't work (the best ones are the ones that simply lock the process and never return any results, forcing one to kill krunner by hand). I do get frequent seemingly random results that cause me to wonder "gee if it found this, why didn't it find what I'm looking for" results. Doubtless one day it will be as good as google desktop search. Until then, I guess there's always... google desktop search. I guess I'll just install that even though I try very hard not to install anything that's not an officially supported Kubuntu package on this system. (I'm tempted to add: just as doubtless KDE 4.x will one day be as useful and efficient as KDE 3.5.10; but I won't say that.) Sorry; it's Friday and I'm just fed up of things that should easy and should "just work" turning out to be hard. I didn't intend this to turn into a whinge. Just ignore me. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Fri Aug 14 20:41:39 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:41:39 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A85CC03.8090909@midmaine.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > I updated Jaunty this morning on my new computer. When I tried to post a > question, I got an error message sending failed smtp.att.yahoo.com. I tried > my browser and it works fine. I am not sure what these commands actually > accomplish, however, they were not successful either: kdesudo aptitude update > and sudo dpkg --configure -a. Suggestions please? > > Steven > First off (and write this in your notebook :) ), we need you to tell us the *exact* error message you got, I am not sure if the above is the *exact* and *complete* error message. An email server configuration error , or a (temporary) error on a yahoo mail server out there on the 'net is not necessarily due to an upgrade or update, and the two command-line commands you used aren't necessarily connected to your current problem 'kdesudo aptitude update' should be 'sudo aptitude update' (write this one down) All this does is update your package list and looks for new packages - nothing else 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' is used to finish an interrupted package installation (or an interrupted installation of a group of packages) clay weber (a.k.a Phil Connors ;) ) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107048/ From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 21:01:04 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:01:04 -0400 Subject: Aptitude vs. apt-get In-Reply-To: <4A8508C3.5050106@gmail.com> References: <200908131535.16564.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908132152.24729.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4A8508C3.5050106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908141701.04747.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Friday 14 August 2009 02:48:35 am O. Sinclair wrote: > Clay Weber wrote: > > On Thursday 13 August 2009 07:21:59 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > >> On Thursday 13 August 2009 04:13:36 pm clay weber wrote: > >>> Steven Vollom wrote: > >>>> What are the differences between the two? I typed in sudo apt-get > >>>> install updates > >>> > >>> If you typed in EXACTLY 'sudo apt-get install updates', then you WILL > >>> get something wrong as the syntax and command for what you are doing is > >>> incorrect. > >>> > >>> when using apt, the command syntax is this: > >>> 'sudo apt-get ' > >>> > >>> so in the command you used above, you are telling apt to install a > >>> package with the name 'updates', which of course does not exist. > >> > >> When I use sudo aptitude install update it produced work. I am confused > >> a bit here still, because I thought I used the term updates with > >> aptitude, but because it worked, I assume it was just update. > > > > That command does produce some output, but if you *read* that output you > > would see that it actually did nothing, and said a lot doing so :) > > > >>> so, some apt commands to remember: > >>> > >>> sudo apt-get update (no 'S') will update the package list and look for > >>> updates > >> > >> Does this means all applications that I have installed? It is just > >> searching for updates, then, is that right? > > > > Correct > > > >>> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will install updated packages > >> > >> And this orders the installation. Is that correct? > > > > Correct :) > > not that I am an expert on apt-get or aptitude but I would be really > careful with "dist-upgrade" as you might upgrade version without quite > realising it. At least as I understand it. > > Normally "sudo apt-get upgrade" should be adequate if you have done > "sudo apt-get update" first. > > Personally I use "sudo aptitude update" followed by "sudo aptitude > safe-upgrade". Aptitude will hold back packages like new kernel etc if > you use safe-upgrade. You can then judge if you want any held back > packages and if so do "sudo aptitude full-upgrade". > > It is not really that apt-get is better than aptitude or vice versa, > they approach dependencies to other packages etc differently. > > Hope that helps even if it does not fully answer the original query. > > Sinclair This is one of my best posts. It is so helpful, you may not realize the doubts you and others have put to bed. Thanks so much, friend. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 21:23:58 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:23:58 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908131429.00783.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908130040.40381.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131429.00783.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908141723.58885.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 05:29:00 pm John L Vifian wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 9:40:40 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > > ... > > > I just read the Description. I have only used the command line entry (l) > > when instructed specifically to do so by someone helping me, and have > > done so only to provide the info they require to help me. It still > > confuses me. > > It confuses you because you don't take the time to learn what the various > commands you are using do and how they work. > > In this case less is a program that lets you view a text file one screenful > at a time, and to page forwards and backwards through it, and a whole lot > more. In this case less is more than you need. > > > In the 'Description' portion of "info less", I then get confused when it > > refers to 'vi'. Never heard of that command. It also begins the pattern > > that causes me difficulty to learn. I am now leaving the focus of my > > task with a new term to have to understand to continue. > > OK I should have looked at the info page first on which the useful > reference is to the "more" command. vi is relevant because both vi and > less use the same command structure, so that if you know vi (or vim) less > will be easier to use. However you don't need to know vi to use less. > > I agree the amount of info here is hard to digest. > > There are several important things. The first is that running less is > harmless. If you make a mistake in what you type or the people advising > you do it won't hurt anything on your computer. If you were running > something that changed something on your machine then you probably ought to > be more careful. For instance if you are adding a repository via the > command line you really ought to make a backup of the current > sources.list, so when you make an error you can recover what you previously > had. > > The second is that at its simplest using less consists of the command 'less > ' There are a whole bunch of options you can add. In you case > running 'less -N /etc/apt/sources.list' might have proven useful since it > shows line numbers. > > Regardless when you ran it you got the message "... No such file or > directory", You know what less does, it shows you the contents of a file, > if it is telling you that there is No such file or directory it is because > the file doesn't exist where you are telling it to look for it, so you > either misspelled the file name or you are telling less to look in the > wrong place. As it turned out you made both mistakes. > > When you start konsole or another shell, the commands are run from your > home directory. (Note the shell window on Dolphin runs from the current > dolphin directory). The default prompt shows what directory you are in. > The prompt: steven at Yeshua:~$ shows that you are in your home directory, > which is probably /home/steven (and not /home/Yeshua as I had previously > stated). Thus to show the file sources.list which is in the /etc/apt > directory you either need to tell less the full path and file name of the > file or run less from the directory containing the file. So the right > command was either: > > steven at Yeshua:~$ less /etc/apt/sources.list > > or > > steven at Yeshua:~$ cd /etc/apt > steven at Yeshua:/etc/apt$ less sources.list > > Note these show the prompt which isn't part of the command. > > > I realize this is pretty common for you who are experienced, however, > > before you have experience, it is difficult enough to read an explanation > > of your main focus. When given a reference that refers to a new > > application (vi) and doesn't even explain the 'vi??' (it refers to 'vim a > > different application)you were directed to review, it starts a pattern of > > search that puts someone like me in total confusion. > > Actually the info file tells you that vi is a text editor, so now you know > what vi is. Vim is an i*M*proved version of vi. Neither are GUI based and > are a bit difficult to learn. AFAIK the vi in Kubuntu is actually vim but > that really doesn't affect you much because you aren't using them, and > hopefully won't have to. > > You might want to try a non-gui editor so that sometime when your system > is really messed up and you can only boot into a terminal you can edit the > appropriate file and fix your machine. You might try pico which is a bit > easier to learn. > > ... big snip ... > > > Please reply, John. It would be so helpful to me. Believe it or not, > > there are certain aspects of the art field where I am considered the > > Guru. It doesn't pad my ego, it just goes to show that right-brain > > thinkers sometimes have intellectual gifts as well. I suspect it would > > take a long time for me to explain this area to a computer Guru, because > > not even all the right-brain thinkers understand this area of my gift. > > But they all acknowledge that it is a special gift. And for me it is > > just easy - the way I normally think, and not special at all. > > > > Not intended to elevate your opinion of me, just trying to get you to > > understand that I might not be a total zero for intelligence, just more > > like a person learning a new language. > > Look, I'm dyslexic and understand not being able to think, or perform in > certain ways. I'm certainly no computer guru, or at least there are really > big areas in which I don't know (and don't care to know) much about > computers. I really don't mind helping you -- I usually learn something in > the process. What is frustrating is that that you seem incurious as to what > it is you are doing. When someone gives you a command line snippet to run, > you should be trying to understand what and how the command line snippet > works and what it does. You should know when the command line will make > changes to your system, and to what part of your system. You should know > what part of your system to backup before running the command line. If you > don't know ask. > > John Vifian Dear John, I have gotten so much moral crushing negative response for trying to do as you just suggested. I am writing from an old computer right now, because after the last update, kmail wouldn't communicate with the ISP in my Jaunty box. I installed Karmic in this old box. Unfortunately I mentioned it in an email responding to a problem I was attempting to solve. I got over 100 responses to my problem all relating to why I should not have installed Karmic and not responding to the post. Everyone is so opinionated about what I should or should not do, that when this kind of problem happens, I can forget about getting the help I need. Quite frankly, I consider my Karmic box experimental with potential problems, but it has saved me twice now and I have only had it installed about a week. There are a couple of people from the list who have discouraged me from using my own ideas. And, I have found that if I take the advice and practice it enough it becomes learned memory. But if you remember from the email you are responding to, I have a lot of trouble using google and man pages. It is spirit breaking, because I know that if I could just use the left brain hemisphere, I would be just fine, but the way it is, my searches lead to mental overload and confusion. I hardly ever read a man page or google something where I am not redirected so early in the answer of a problem, then redirected from the redirection, on and on that I end up overloaded. Computer people seem to just wade naturally through the data without problems, but they are always talking about stuff I know little to nothing about, and I never know if the transfer is necessary to understand before I return to the problem I was looking for answers to, so I keep going until I reach overload. And by overload I mean, reading something intently, but unable to make any of what you read understandable; you end up bleary-eyed and frustrated, and can't continue. For some reason, today I have been getting the most helpful responses. Answers that I can receive and understand. It is glorious. Thanks for the great reply, my friend. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 21:41:19 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:41:19 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908140024.25924.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131810.15737.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908140024.25924.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908141741.19855.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday 13 August 2009 06:24:25 pm Donn wrote: > On Friday 14 August 2009 00:10:15 Steven Vollom wrote: > > And still I have been unable to change. > > Really, how hard can it be to get a little A5 notebook and write things in > it? I am *begging* you to start a 'computer diary' -- don't rely on the > email threads because you have demonstrated that you keep losing the plot. > > Have a few pages for apt/aptitude stuff : record the correct commands in > the book. Then, look them up. It really saves wear on the brain. > > \d One of the reasons I started using a computer is because I am unable to do what you recommend. I have half dozen notebooks filled with computer info. But I have to read them all just to find one answer. Usually 2 or 3 of them are not where I can find them. I have very little long term memory, other than really important stuff. When I set a notebook down, it usually becomes lost almost immediately. Many times I will find an old notebook that has instructions in it on a topic I have committed to memory and no longer need the notes. If you are anything like all my other friends, you don't believe my situation. You think I am lazy or irresponsible or something like that, and I can not convince you otherwise. Some of the simplest things people do, I am unable to do. But some of the most difficult things people must do, I can do without giving the task a thought. Few left brained people will ever accept the fact that right brained people can not assimilate information the same as they do. Frustration is about the only thing it produces. That is the reason I make myself out as stupid. People are kinder to stupid people than they are to right-brained people. There are things that are so simple for me to do that I cannot understand what is so difficult about the task for normal or left brained people who occasionally use the right hemisphere. Sometimes I can see that they are overwhelmed, because they thought I was a 10 watt bulb. But any computer related explanation provided me by a right brained person who has fought to understand the problem, can explain it to me in a few words, and I have 100% understanding. Everyone I get close to eventually understands. It is the old square peg in the round hole thing. Thank you for trying to help, I understand the instruction very well. But it is like making me take on a task that I have absolutely no chance to succeed with; I will only practice failure. Not a fun thing. I AM NOT RESISTING YOU, I AM UNABLE TO DO WHAT YOU SUGGEST. Emphasis not yelling. Steven From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 22:08:50 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:08:50 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908141741.19855.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908140024.25924.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908141741.19855.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908150008.50828.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Steven, > One of the reasons I started using a computer is because I am unable to do > what you recommend. That's a contradiction right there -- you can't keep a notebook in sight somewhere but you can substitute it for a complex thing like a computer? If you can buy the machine, install an OS, setup the desktop then you are certainly brainy enough to just have some discipline and make notes about a small set of things that WE ARE FIXING FOR YOU OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Not yelling, emphasizing. For example: write down what a directory is. What a path is. What a file is. Write down examples of each. Write down how to use cd, ls, cat and apt-get and the other handful of commands you often use. Sit down and figure out a metaphor that works for you -- so that you can navigate a filesystem in your own way. Think of directories as countries, or paintings, or brushes, or colours. Find a way to understand how to travel from one to the other -- who lives where and within whom. Once you do that you are literally 90% of the way. All the rest is pretty much random detail that happens rarely. Put simply: You can either find a way to cut-down the repeat questions *or* simply stop using computers -- they may be too much for you. I don't believe that, but you seem to make it so. \d From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 22:35:37 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:35:37 +0200 Subject: desktop search inside OOo documents? In-Reply-To: <4A857E6D.8050205@gmail.com> References: <4A857E6D.8050205@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > I have a hierarchy of directories containing several hundred OpenOffice.org > Writer documents. > > How do I desktop search through them all looking for a particular piece of > text (which I know occurs in at least one of them somewhere, but I have no > idea which directory/file contains it)? > > I never can figure out what all these fancy new things like krunner/nepomuk > are supposed to do; they never seem to do anything useful for me; do I just > need to bite the bullet and forget about the KDE tools and install google > desktop search? > Google desktop do index OOo files. Its fast don't take up to much resources (compared to other) and now have support for 64-bit OS. I have tried several of the desktop search programs and I would have preferred a other but Google desktop is the that works best for me. / Jonas From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 22:53:43 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:53:43 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908150008.50828.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141741.19855.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150008.50828.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908141853.43709.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Friday 14 August 2009 06:08:50 pm Donn wrote: > Steven, > > > One of the reasons I started using a computer is because I am unable to > > do what you recommend. > > That's a contradiction right there -- you can't keep a notebook in sight > somewhere but you can substitute it for a complex thing like a computer? It is not an explainable thing. But if you can't believe what I say, I cannot reply. An this is pretty normal. When I can't do something that is easy for others, they won't accept it. Who else on the list is like me? Do you think I wouldn't change if I could? > > If you can buy the machine, install an OS, setup the desktop then you are > certainly brainy enough to just have some discipline and make notes about a > small set of things that WE ARE FIXING FOR YOU OVER AND OVER AGAIN. > Not yelling, emphasizing. I am just now figuring out solutions for the problem. And they are not your solutions, because when it comes to my problem, you haven't a clue. If you just believed what I say, then you could help me in a manner that reduces or eliminated the problem in the preceding paragraph. I just learned in an email today, that I can do the thing I need and what to do in kmail. I can't remember who, now, but someone told me, from the list, that I should not do the thing I want to do, because it would affect the kmail application. Because of that, I have been struggling with suggestions like yours that just don't work for me. Do you really believe I haven't tried the notebook thing. More than a hundred times, I am sure. Someone else told me that I can search within emails if I keep them all. This would be even better than my idea, if I can figure out how to do it. He said open kmail and type 's' and then what I want and it would locate what I need from my email records. That would be great if I knew where in the kmail application I type the command in. First I thought he meant to type kmail in the shell then type in s and the topic, but when I typed kmail in the CLI, it opened Kmail GUI. When I typed in the word 's kdesudo' in the search line and pressed enter, your email came up. I was expecting to see an email that contained the word kdesudo. I know there are some in my saved emails. That is an example of how I would like to use the search bar. Can it be set up to do as I prefer? > > For example: write down what a directory is. What a path is. What a file > is. Write down examples of each. Write down how to use cd, ls, cat and > apt-get and the other handful of commands you often use. > Sit down and figure out a metaphor that works for you -- so that you can > navigate a filesystem in your own way. Think of directories as countries, > or paintings, or brushes, or colours. Find a way to understand how to > travel from one to the other -- who lives where and within whom. Once you > do that you are literally 90% of the way. All the rest is pretty much > random detail that happens rarely. > > Put simply: You can either find a way to cut-down the repeat questions *or* > simply stop using computers -- they may be too much for you. I don't > believe that, but you seem to make it so. Answer this question please? Using the last paragraph that I typed above, can it be done? It is almost humiliating that I can say something over and over and over to a left-brain thinker and almost all simply ignore what I say and respond with their own idea, but never do they try to help me in a way I can assimilate the information. I just gave you a way to help me solve my problem. I told you something you were unwilling to believe, and you, like a badger, dug right back in and told me that I could do something I cannot do. You can't believe how frustrating that is to me. But if you know how to help me do what I would like to do, it will save me hundreds of hours of preparation, because the other way to serve my needs is to make a folder for every problem I have and have a solution for. That was my plan before I got an email that said I could search within my emails. I was told to not do it my way and to do it another person's way, which consisted of making a folder for each name of a person who helped and simply transfer the emails into their named folder. The only problem is that my memory is then required to know which person gave me help on a certain problem. And when I can't remember who it was that gave me the advice, I have to start reading emails from the first to the last just to find the one that saves me repeating my problem. I no longer have a memory that will retain a new subject. I have to experience it over and over and over to finally make it a permanent memory. This is an age related problem, because it did not used to be that way, but it is something I have to live with. To give you an idea how unfair what you are asking of me is, I have had many people in the past who have had the ability to help me, but because I would not do what I COULD NOT DO, they were unwilling to help me further. That has happened repeatedly for the past 60 years. The dumb old steve thing works the best, but left-brained thinkers are nothing at all if not stubborn. And even if you are unwilling to help me the way I need help, I still am grateful for your attempts doing it your way. Eventually I get it, your way too, it just takes a lot longer with a lot of repetition. In reality, if you bang on a square peg enough times, eventually the corners will come off and it will fit in a round hole. Is the search I need a boulean (sp) search. I heard that was the google browser search type? Well as long as you don't believe me, I find myself writing books trying to explain, what apparently is unexplainable. I still consider you a great friend. Steven > > \d From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Fri Aug 14 23:57:36 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:57:36 -0500 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908141741.19855.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908140024.25924.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908141741.19855.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908141857.36989.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Friday 14 August 2009 04:41:19 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > On Thursday 13 August 2009 06:24:25 pm Donn wrote: > > On Friday 14 August 2009 00:10:15 Steven Vollom wrote: > > > And still I have been unable to change. > > > > Really, how hard can it be to get a little A5 notebook and write things in > > it? I am *begging* you to start a 'computer diary' -- don't rely on the > > email threads because you have demonstrated that you keep losing the plot. > > > > Have a few pages for apt/aptitude stuff : record the correct commands in > > the book. Then, look them up. It really saves wear on the brain. > > > > \d > One of the reasons I started using a computer is because I am unable to do > what you recommend. I have half dozen notebooks filled with computer info. > But I have to read them all just to find one answer. Usually 2 or 3 of them > are not where I can find them. I have very little long term memory, other than > really important stuff. When I set a notebook down, it usually becomes lost > almost immediately. > > Many times I will find an old notebook that has instructions in it on a topic I > have committed to memory and no longer need the notes. If you are anything > like all my other friends, you don't believe my situation. You think I am > lazy or irresponsible or something like that, and I can not convince you > otherwise. Some of the simplest things people do, I am unable to do. But > some of the most difficult things people must do, I can do without giving the > task a thought. Few left brained people will ever accept the fact that right > brained people can not assimilate information the same as they do. > Frustration is about the only thing it produces. That is the reason I make > myself out as stupid. People are kinder to stupid people than they are to > right-brained people. There are things that are so simple for me to do that I > cannot understand what is so difficult about the task for normal or left brained > people who occasionally use the right hemisphere. Sometimes I can see that > they are overwhelmed, because they thought I was a 10 watt bulb. But any > computer related explanation provided me by a right brained person who has > fought to understand the problem, can explain it to me in a few words, and I > have 100% understanding. > > Everyone I get close to eventually understands. It is the old square peg in > the round hole thing. Thank you for trying to help, I understand the > instruction very well. But it is like making me take on a task that I have > absolutely no chance to succeed with; I will only practice failure. Not a fun > thing. I AM NOT RESISTING YOU, I AM UNABLE TO DO WHAT YOU SUGGEST. > > Emphasis not yelling. > > Steven Hello, Steven -- You probably do not realize it -- but you have just PROVEN that you are relying upon the crutch of a popular "diagnosis", rather than trying to resolve problems!!! Please let me explain myself, by way of presenting the approach for solutions, after making another point. When you say, "But any computer related explanation provided me by a right brained person who has fought to understand the problem, can explain it to me in a few words, and I have 100% understanding." -- you are still demanding that everyone in the United States must speak Swahili, simply because YOU speak Swahili. This is WRONG. It is time for you to (figuratively!) "learn English". You ARE in Kubuntu- land! Not more than a week ago (or so) you "complained" (I use the word VERY loosely at this point) that someone told you that you should not use topics -- but only names -- for your E-Mail archive folder-names. Others have, since then, mentioned that this is in error, but you have not SHOWN us that you noticed that. (This does NOT mean that you didn't notice; only that there is no specific reply to the pointers.) Well, it is VERY important that you take advantage of this point, and that you do so in TWO specific ways. First of all, do NOT "get an A5 notebook"! Get a dozen or two of them. Put ALL of them in one single place that is within arm's reach of your computer chair. Put a single label (in ink) directly on the front cover of one A5 notebook. Put useful insights -- on that topic ALONE -- in that A5 notebook. (Don't hesitate to print a message and to staple or paste it into your notebook, at least if that is the best way to get it there accurately!) IMMEDIATELY upon making all applicable comments, RETURN the A5 notebook to its rightful place. When you have another topic to be addressed, do likewise with the next A5 notebook -- indefinitely. Buy more A5 notebooks as the topics may come to demand that you do so. Whenever you have a problem, go through your collection of A5 notebooks, find the appropriate one, study it completely -- or as proves helpful. Do what you have been told to do previously. And then return the A5 notebook to its proper place IMMEDIATELY. This is NOT the same thing as suggesting that you have a "computer stuff" notebook, and go through 50 pages of uncategorized information. That approach might "tax" the best of us just as it does you. Instead, those categories are ESSENTIAL. Don't tell us that it doesn't make sense to you; define the categories in such a way that they make do sense to YOU and according to YOUR way of thinking and making categories. Then USE the categories that you have defined so that you CAN get back to "old" information that you need "now". And do NOT blame US for not wanting to repeat 25 times the answers that you have already received; you MUST act in a way that at least appears to be slightly "responsible". Do you realize that, as you claim to have several notebooks full of information, and as you claim that you lose them periodically, and as you complain that you have to actually READ them in order to find information -- you are actually presenting yourself as if you were IR- responsible? And as if you expect the people here to do YOUR work for you, however often you have to do it? Why don't you just send someone a free computer and properly pay them to do what you (otherwise) would have to do for yourself -- if you REALLY just plain cannot do the basics? (While there are people here who might be both able and willing to work with you thusly, I have to admit that I am willing -- but incompetent -- to do the job, so I am NOT implying that you should "consult" with ME!!!) You claim that "I have very little long term memory, except for the really important stuff." You thus tell us that this stuff isn't really very important to YOU -- so why should it be important to US? I have told you, as soon as you are done either adding information to a notebook or using the information in a notebook, that you MUST return it to its PROPER place. If you will be just as responsible with your computer information as you MUST be with your tools and supplies for art, then you will have equal access to them -- regardless of your "brain type". There is absolutely NO reason why you CANnot do this; there is only a set of excuses (left-brain, right-brain, artist, logician, dyslexia, long-term memory, short-term memory, age, learning style, preferred musical key, and so on and so forth) for why you REFUSE to do this! I doubt that you keep your cut glass mixed in with your paints as a matter of routine, and then expect to find the right color of ANYthing -- so you CAN do it, if only you WILL do it. Please understand that this is PRECISELY analogous to using "topics" as folder-names within any E-Mail "client" -- which just happens to be my second suggestion. This is what YOU said that you wanted to be able to do. So please DO it. If you do as I am suggesting (based upon the suggestions of several other people), you don't have to rely upon correct association of person and topic. This is good, because YOUR OWN person-topic system is obviously useless to you! Do something that enables you to at least look smart. Furthermore, this system allows you the relatively easy use of electronic access -- but, for times when you have crashed your system, it also gives you "permanent" (okay, that is NOT the most-accurate use of the word!) access in the form of physically printed resources. So you should see that I am specifically telling you to do (1) what you have said that you want to be able to do AND (2) what several others have been telling you to do. AND I am telling you how to deal with the problems that you create for yourself. AND I am telling you how to deal with your own limitations (and realizing that we all have merely DIFFERENT limitations!) in a way that YOU have indicated would work for YOU. How could it possibly get any better than that????? IF you really have any business doing some of the computer things that you seem to be attempting, then you CAN do this much -- and you have NO business doing anything LESS than this much. On the other hand, if you REALLY "canNOT" do this -- then, this fact alone STRONGLY suggests that these things are things that you should simply leave alone! That is NO personal criticism of YOU as a person; it is a simple and logical analysis that YOU must complete and accept for yourself. If you wish to impose your many problems on the community, and if you deprive us of the right to effectively recommend practical solutions, then the long-run fact is that you tie US all down to YOUR weakest point -- and to the same failure that you first experience. You are like the patient who refuses to accept either medication or surgery -- and yet demands that the doctor provide perfect health. This, obviously, verges between foolishness and stupidity -- and it is NOT "viable" in the long-run. So I respectfully request that YOU determine whether or not you will be working WITH us (rather than ON us). If you will work with us, if you will "take your medicine"), EXCELLENT. But, if you want to present yourself as a stubborn child, please do not expect many answers. Remember that nobody here has put you in your present condition! Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Sat Aug 15 00:57:04 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908141853.43709.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150008.50828.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908141853.43709.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908141957.04223.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Friday 14 August 2009 05:53:43 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > On Friday 14 August 2009 06:08:50 pm Donn wrote: > > Steven, > > > > > One of the reasons I started using a computer is because I am unable to > > > do what you recommend. > > > > That's a contradiction right there -- you can't keep a notebook in sight > > somewhere but you can substitute it for a complex thing like a computer? > > It is not an explainable thing. But if you can't believe what I say, I cannot > reply. An this is pretty normal. When I can't do something that is easy for > others, they won't accept it. Who else on the list is like me? Do you think > I wouldn't change if I could? Steven, perhaps the key word is "discipline". You do NOT choose any kind of red paint when you are painting the bulk of a sea on a sunny day. You go to "the BLUE department"! There is, in reality, NO difference. We can instruct you, but you MUST "train" yourself. Keep the answers handy to you until you have done so! > > > > If you can buy the machine, install an OS, setup the desktop then you are > > certainly brainy enough to just have some discipline and make notes about a > > small set of things that WE ARE FIXING FOR YOU OVER AND OVER AGAIN. > > Not yelling, emphasizing. > > I am just now figuring out solutions for the problem. And they are not your > solutions, because when it comes to my problem, you haven't a clue. If you > just believed what I say, then you could help me in a manner that reduces or > eliminated the problem in the preceding paragraph. Sorry, Steven, but the truth is that we DO know your problem -- and you present yourself as not WANTING the real solution. Computers ARE "systems", not isolated devices. And each of us must approach "the computer" in the systematic way which is definitional to a "system" if we are to have our desired effects. And YOU are NOT THE LEAST BIT "immune" to this very same requirement. > > I just learned in an email today, that I can do the thing I need and what to > do in kmail. I can't remember who, now, but someone told me, from the list, > that I should not do the thing I want to do, because it would affect the kmail > application. Because of that, I have been struggling with suggestions like > yours that just don't work for me. > > Do you really believe I haven't tried the notebook thing. More than a hundred > times, I am sure. > > Someone else told me that I can search within emails if I keep them all. This > would be even better than my idea, if I can figure out how to do it. Come ON, Steven. Okay, PUT THIS IN THE "KMAIL" folder. Practice it a thousand time, if that really IS necessary (I doubt that it is!), but keep it handy. Step ZERO. (We Linux people like zero-based numbering systems!) Put "the focus" on the folder within which you want to search. DON'T tell me that rear-brained people can't remember that sort of thing -- just go to the outer-most applicable folder that has only folders (and NO messages!) in it. Step ONE. Save every E-Mail you send OR receive in any of the folder(s) listed in the left-hand panel of K-Mail Step TWO. Activate the "Edit" option on the K-Mail Menu-Bar. You may single-left-click on it or you may use the keyboard "Alt+E" (do NOT use the quotation-marks!); there may be other ways to do the same thing. This will produce a drop-down list of options, some of which may not be available sometimes. Step THREE. Activate the "Find In Message" option within that drop- down list. You can use the mouse-tool to single-left-click on the item or you can use the "hot-key" -- which is visually identified as "I". This will result in a dialogue-box. In some versions of K-Mail, it may appear in the middle of the screen area used by K-Mail. In others, it may appear below the message-text area. Step FOUR. In the text-box tool which appears to the right of the word "Find:", enter your "search-argument" -- the text that you want to locate. Step FIVE. Consider the possible application of "Options" which appears either (1) to the right of or (2) below -- the "Find:" area. Choose what is applicable, or ignore this possibility (with the understanding that it may cause you to be either overwhelmed by the number of "hits" or to get NO "hits"!), as you will do anyway. Step SIX. Do I need to specifically state that you should tap the (or ) key? If so, consider it to be stated. I am not absolutely certain, but I think that this is close. But it DOES require a little precision which I HOPE you can provide! > > He said open kmail and type 's' and then what I want and it would locate what > I need from my email records. That would be great if I knew where in the > kmail application I type the command in. First I thought he meant to type > kmail in the shell then type in s and the topic, but when I typed kmail in the > CLI, it opened Kmail GUI. > > When I typed in the word 's kdesudo' in the search line and pressed enter, > your email came up. I was expecting to see an email that contained the word > kdesudo. I know there are some in my saved emails. That is an example of how > I would like to use the search bar. Can it be set up to do as I prefer? > > > > For example: write down what a directory is. What a path is. What a file > > is. Write down examples of each. Write down how to use cd, ls, cat and > > apt-get and the other handful of commands you often use. > > Sit down and figure out a metaphor that works for you -- so that you can > > navigate a filesystem in your own way. Think of directories as countries, > > or paintings, or brushes, or colours. Find a way to understand how to > > travel from one to the other -- who lives where and within whom. Once you > > do that you are literally 90% of the way. All the rest is pretty much > > random detail that happens rarely. > > > > Put simply: You can either find a way to cut-down the repeat questions *or* > > simply stop using computers -- they may be too much for you. I don't > > believe that, but you seem to make it so. Steven -- Pay careful attention to this. He said, "I DON'T believe that, but YOU SEEM to make it so." Are computers too much for you? If so, be wise and back off. If NOT, show the evidence of it. > > Answer this question please? Using the last paragraph that I typed above, can > it be done? > > It is almost humiliating that I can say something over and over and over to a > left-brain thinker and almost all simply ignore what I say and respond with > their own idea, but never do they try to help me in a way I can assimilate the > information. Steve, the problem is NOT that "WE are ignoring YOU" -- it is that YOU most-certainly ARE ignoring US. Respect us as you choose to be respected. > > I just gave you a way to help me solve my problem. I told you something you > were unwilling to believe, and you, like a badger, dug right back in and told > me that I could do something I cannot do. You can't believe how frustrating > that is to me. Do you realize how frustrating YOU often are to the list? > > But if you know how to help me do what I would like to do, it will save me > hundreds of hours of preparation, because the other way to serve my needs is > to make a folder for every problem I have and have a solution for. That was > my plan before I got an email that said I could search within my emails. Perhaps "it will save (you) hundreds of hours of preparation" -- but it costs hundred of hours of other people's time to get solutions to problems they do not have! "... the other way to serve my needs is to make a folder for every problem I have ..." How many times have you been begged (even literally!) to do precisely this? Since it has been frequently noted that you have the same problem, time after time, this is the ONLY intelligent thing for ANYone to do. Instead of making folders, you major in making excuses. Not very good. > > I was told to not do it my way and to do it another person's way, which > consisted of making a folder for each name of a person who helped and simply > transfer the emails into their named folder. The only problem is that my > memory is then required to know which person gave me help on a certain > problem. And when I can't remember who it was that gave me the advice, I have > to start reading emails from the first to the last just to find the one that > saves me repeating my problem. How TERRIBLE it must be to have to actually USE the system you have made for yourself. I have told you how to simplify this. But it seems that you would prefer to have US read your folders for you! "PLEASE!" > > I no longer have a memory that will retain a new subject. I have to > experience it over and over and over to finally make it a permanent memory. > This is an age related problem, because it did not used to be that way, but it > is something I have to live with. Fine, Steve. But don't make us repeat the solution every time you repeat the problem. MAKE AND USE your own note-system. > > To give you an idea how unfair what you are asking of me is, I have had many > people in the past who have had the ability to help me, but because I would > not do what I COULD NOT DO, they were unwilling to help me further. That has > happened repeatedly for the past 60 years. One would imagine that you might learn something over this period of time -- but you are suggesting (NOT "proving") a REFUSAL to learn. THAT is entirely different from simply having a problem to solve. People who need to have their hands held by adults have no business deciding when to cross the street. > The dumb old steve thing works the > best, but left-brained thinkers are nothing at all if not stubborn. And even > if you are unwilling to help me the way I need help, I still am grateful for > your attempts doing it your way. Eventually I get it, your way too, it just > takes a lot longer with a lot of repetition. In reality, if you bang on a > square peg enough times, eventually the corners will come off and it will fit in > a round hole. Steve, I play harmonicas (roughly 50 in my box) in a style that is only rarely similar to the style of ANY recorded harmonicist. I own, but VERY seldom play, a standard acoustic guitar. I have AND play both a Dobro and a Weissenborn guitar. I have played Autoharp in the past, and own a mouth bow (which I can play a little) and a set of bones (which I cannot play). I have had two or three people who are performing and recording musicians declare to me that "You ARE a musician." Since music IS one of the "arts", I would imagine that I have a distinctly artistic side. On the other hand, I am a logician who has a background as a COBOL programmer/analyst. I have demonstrated the ability to work professionally BOTH at the "systems" (high, or "general") level AND at the low (or "code") level. I believe in RELATIVE strength of one side or the other -- but NOT in the EXCLUSIVE capacity for one side or the other. You are mongering mere label-excuses. Please, present the appearance of growing up! > > Is the search I need a boulean (sp) search. I heard that was the google > browser search type? Do you have ANY idea of what you are talking about here? Or are you trying to pretend -- and to confuse both yourself and others? > > Well as long as you don't believe me, I find myself writing books trying to > explain, what apparently is unexplainable. I still consider you a great > friend. > > Steven > > > > \d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 07:55:03 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:55:03 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908141857.36989.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141741.19855.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141857.36989.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <200908150955.04013.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Saturday 15 August 2009 01:57:36 Bruce MacArthur wrote: > So I respectfully request that YOU determine whether or not you will > be working WITH us (rather than ON us). If you will work with us, if > you will "take your medicine"), EXCELLENT. But, if you want to present > yourself as a stubborn child, please do not expect many answers. > Remember that nobody here has put you in your present condition! Spot on. Thanks for that, I hope he reads it through in the right spirit. \d From paul at lemmons.name Sat Aug 15 15:44:13 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:44:13 -0700 Subject: What is the best torrent software? In-Reply-To: <4A843743.3020603@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A843743.3020603@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4A86D7CD.8030907@lemmons.name> Terrell Prudé Jr. wrote: > > you to upload as well as download. To help with this, I also turn on > DHT. This can be a big help. > > Hopefully this helps, > > --TP > This statement caused me to scratch my chin. How does turning off DHT help? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From Grokit at ajinfosearch.com Sat Aug 15 15:51:26 2009 From: Grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:51:26 -0400 Subject: Nvidia 9600? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908151151.26984.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> I've used three Nvidia cards in various builds and have had only little problems with any of them. The first one was an old 5600 LS (??), an 8800 GTS, and currently a GTX 260. The only headache I had was when I put the GTX 260 in Kubuntu 8.04, the driver that made it work was not packaged for Hardy, I did not feel like bashing my head against the wall with a manual install. Since the entire Nvidia 9 series is really just the 8 series on steroids, I would take a guess that it will work like a charm. I never had any problems with my 8800. It's currently in my kid's machine and he is happily playing Spore, extreme Tux racer, etc. I'm pretty sure it's using the 180 driver. Alan On Thursday 13 August 2009 01:55:59 am Knapp wrote: > I am looking at upgrading from an Nvidia 7600 gs to a Nvidia 9600 gt. > Does it work well with Linux? Is it worth the money? Is there a better > pick? I prefer silent or passively cooled cards. The 7600 was a terror > in the noise department until I found i could just unplug the fan > without heat problems (has been unplugged for 3 years, NP). My hardest > use of the card in with sculpting in Blender3d. Right now it is a bit > slow when I get above 300,000 verts. > > AMD 64 x2 on the slow end of them. Can't remember the exact speed right > now. From mmtsales at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 16:16:10 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:16:10 -0300 Subject: Nvidia 9600? In-Reply-To: <200908151151.26984.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> References: <200908151151.26984.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <200908151316.10227.mmtsales@gmail.com> I have a nvidia 9600 GT which works perfectly well in Kubuntu 9.04 e Fedora 11. However, it did not work with OpenSuSE 11.1, despite the fact that I had an 8600 working flawlessly in that distribution. Possibly you may have problems with 9600 in older versions of (K)ubuntu, but in 9.04 it works very well. []'s Marcelo Em Sábado 15 Agosto 2009, Alan Dacey Sr. escreveu: > I've used three Nvidia cards in various builds and have had only > little problems with any of them. The first one was an old 5600 LS > (??), an 8800 GTS, and currently a GTX 260. The only headache I had > was when I put the GTX 260 in Kubuntu 8.04, the driver that made it > work was not packaged for Hardy, I did not feel like bashing my head > against the wall with a manual install. Since the entire Nvidia 9 > series is really just the 8 series on steroids, I would take a guess > that it will work like a charm. I never had any problems with my > 8800. It's currently in my kid's machine and he is happily playing > Spore, extreme Tux racer, etc. I'm pretty sure it's using the 180 > driver. > > Alan > > On Thursday 13 August 2009 01:55:59 am Knapp wrote: > > I am looking at upgrading from an Nvidia 7600 gs to a Nvidia 9600 > > gt. Does it work well with Linux? Is it worth the money? Is there a > > better pick? I prefer silent or passively cooled cards. The 7600 > > was a terror in the noise department until I found i could just > > unplug the fan without heat problems (has been unplugged for 3 > > years, NP). My hardest use of the card in with sculpting in > > Blender3d. Right now it is a bit slow when I get above 300,000 > > verts. > > > > AMD 64 x2 on the slow end of them. Can't remember the exact speed > > right now. From jongleur at liripipe.com Sat Aug 15 16:37:12 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:37:12 -0700 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908141853.43709.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150008.50828.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908141853.43709.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Friday 14 August 2009 3:53:43 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > I am just now figuring out solutions for the problem. And they are not > your solutions, because when it comes to my problem, you haven't a clue. > If you just believed what I say, then you could help me in a manner that > reduces or eliminated the problem in the preceding paragraph. Steven, we don't know how to get you to learn, and won't unless you tell us. Personally keeping a notebook wouldn't work for me either because I can't read my handwriting. Regardless we keep giving you information in hopes that you will actually learn something as well as fixing your immediate problem. Some of the things you have had the opportunity to learn in the last bout of emails are: The difference in left and right clicking a file in dolphin what 'less' is and how to use it in a rudimentary fashion How to turn line numbers on in 'less' How to turn line numbers on in kate when to use sudo and when to use kdesudo how to search this list's archives with google what the command cd does what a path is what happens when you open kate with a non-existent file name what happens when you run less with a non-existent file name you should be able to open a file in a different directory with less or kate. For instance there is a file named dpkg.log which is in the 'log' directory which in turn is in the 'var' directory. You should be able to construct a command line to open it using both less and kate. Try it. Note you don't need to use either kdesudo or sudo and shouldn't. This is all very basic stuff, and you need to figure out a way to make it understandable to yourself > He said open kmail and type 's' and then what I want and it would locate > what I need from my email records. That would be great if I knew where in > the kmail application I type the command in. You don't type it in anything. The one caveat being that if you have more than one window open in kmail that the active window has to be the one showing your mail folders. Just type 's'. You can also do the same by clicking "Edit" in the menubar and then clicking "Find Messages..." or you can use the icon with the binoculars which for me is on the same line is the existing search field. > When I typed in the word 's kdesudo' in the search line and pressed enter, > your email came up. I was expecting to see an email that contained the > word kdesudo. I know there are some in my saved emails. That is an > example of how I would like to use the search bar. Can it be set up to do > as I prefer? To my knowledge the search field only searches the subject line of the emails in the current folder, and can't be configured to do otherwise. It also has the annoying habit of opening the current email in a new window regardless if it matches the search. >... Eventually I get > it, your way too, it just takes a lot longer with a lot of repetition. In > reality, if you bang on a square peg enough times, eventually the corners > will come off and it will fit in a round hole. Steven do you learn by doing? Do you learn by observation? Are you willing to spend time learning things even if you don't immediately see any useful application of the stuff you are learning? Would you be interested in some sort of tutoring? If you are going to continue using the command line you really need to have some basic grasp of what the commands are doing, or you should stop using the command line at all. Most things can be accomplished in the GUI and it should be extremely rare that you would actually need to use the command line. > Is the search I need a boulean (sp) search. I heard that was the google > browser search type? ??? what are you trying to ask here? John Vifian -- Q: How many Linux users does it take to change a lightbulb ? A: One, but he'll swear up and down that it was JUST as easy for him as it would be for a Window's user From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 16:53:36 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:53:36 +0200 Subject: Nvidia 9600? In-Reply-To: <200908151316.10227.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200908151151.26984.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908151316.10227.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> (??), an 8800 GTS, and currently a GTX 260.  The only headache I had >> was when I put the GTX 260 I am running 8.04 but if 4.3 makes the next new Kubuntu usable I might be switching. Sadly I still can't stand KDE 4 and use 3. :-( Is the GTX 260 way faster than the 9600? >> > Does it work well with Linux? Is it worth the money? Is there a >> > better pick? I prefer silent or passively cooled cards. The 7600 >> > was a terror in the noise department until I found i could just >> > unplug the fan without heat problems (has been unplugged for 3 >> > years, NP). My hardest use of the card in with sculpting in >> > Blender3d. Right now it is a bit slow when I get above 300,000 >> > verts. >> > >> > AMD 64 x2 on the slow end of them. Can't remember the exact speed >> > right now. Thanks again! -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 17:01:54 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:01:54 +0200 Subject: What is the best torrent software? In-Reply-To: <4A843743.3020603@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4A843743.3020603@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:54 PM, "Terrell Prudé Jr." wrote: > At first, I used Azureus, which really is a fine Bittorrent program. > However, I've also discovered that KTorrent, which comes with KDE and > doesn't require Java, is also a mighty fine Bittorrent program.  I mostly > use KTorrent now. > > Which one is "best"?  It really depends on your personal preferences.  The > "fastest" will depend a lot more on the speed of your Internet connection > than whether or not you turn on/off encryption.  I have mine set to accept > both encrypted and unencrypted connections, because (being a Free Software > advocate) I share GNU/Linux ISO's, and therefore I want the most people to > be able to connect to me. > You might be shooting yourself in the foot, if I understand the encryption correctly. When it is not encrypted ISPs will limit the transfer rate on torrents. By using a none standard port and encrypting you insure that the most people can get your torrents at the fastest rates. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sat Aug 15 18:51:41 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:51:41 +0200 Subject: Jaunty, Java and map24 In-Reply-To: <200908081017.28076.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908072038.45447.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200908081017.28076.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908152051.42025.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Saturday 08 August 2009 10:17:28 Perry, vous avez écrit : > Le Saturday 08 August 2009 02:38:45 Bruce Marshall, vous avez écrit : > > I just installed FF 3.5.2  from the normal repositories...   Didn't do > > anything else.  And map24 still works fine. > > Since in previous mails you quoted just that point, > > > > Firefox3.5 could never see java and map24 displays,  *but not on > > > separate window.* > > I take it for granted you have on top of the map in main window the "double > square icon" next to the "monkey wrench icon". I will try to experiment > somewhat more. Hi, All of this works in Hardy, I could newer get map24 to work at all in Jaunty. After a lot (I mean it, a week since last related mail) of experimentation here is what I got on Jaunty: without sun-java6-bin+jre+plugin map24 does not work. If I install that firefox 3.0 and 3.5 can recognise Java version 14 or 15 (from another binary install) and display map24 in separate window provided *icedtea plugin is removed*, and konqueror sometimes??? finds java. Else, with iceadtea plugin, FF3 shows v16.0_0 and FF3.5 has no java, as for konk "http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml" returns the expected version but "http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp" never returns. It has all been (and still is) very confusing for many reasons: 1) In contradiction to the output of "java -version" v15 keept reapearing, it took me long to find out the "Java Control Center" keept a reference to this v15, and that it finally was of no great importance. 2) The role of this "icedtea plugin" wasn't apparent to me at first. 3) I started trusting results that seemed objective, like output of "http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml" or "http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp", but on occasions they behaved differently. 4) I also thought the output of "about:plugins" was objective, but whereas that of the FFs was consistent, that of Konq sometimes 'stuttered', it repeated twice the line with the version, followed by many lines seemingly identical (I guess it didn't bother to write versions numbers) 5) Some changes took an indefinite amount of time to be reflected, or a reboot was needed. 6) I had to find the command "sudo update-alternatives --config java" because I have two versions there (Jaunty) Why only one on hardy, with sun-java6...installed and Java Plug-in KJAS for Konqueror using a kjavaappletviewer.so? Couldn't find much readily usable infoon KJAS...(but see 7_third below) 7) about:plugins on Hardy gives for Konq: Java Plug-in Java Plug-in KJAS for Konqueror "kjavaappletviewer.so application/x-java-applet - Java Applet (class) application/x-java-bean - JavaBeans (jar)" and for FF3.0: a long list under "Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_14-b08 Nom de fichier : libjavaplugin_oji.so Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_14" of java and bean stuff. 7_second) about:plugins on Jaunty gives for Konq *both of the above*. the FFs give only the long list as in Hardy. 7_third) that was after I removed (synaptic) the openjdk stuff. 7_fourth) I tried to make the configuration in Jaunty as similar as possible to the configuration in Hardy but konk resists and keeps relying on "the long list" despite attempts to empty cache and reboots 8) Konq seems to have an erratic behaviour, eg after I selected in "update-alternatives --config java" the sun version in Jaunty: Konk map24 opened with europa map as usual but then *showed the tool* for separate window but was not completely functional (no effect on confirming an address), I closed and reopened, then nothing worked. [hard to refrain putting "????" and "!!!!" all over the mail] 9) I have already done a couple of reinstalls on the previous weeks and always had the same problem (as far as I cant tell because I understand it better, or rather I just know better what things to watch) 10) I tried all that I could (when applicable) in "Java konqueror Howto" and the like. Reading the answer of Bruce Marshall on 2009-08-07 19:07 > Map24 works fine here on FF 3.5 and Jaunty. I notice that he does not mention Konqueror, and I indeed belive my problem is with Konqueror, it "wants" to function, using KJAS, on a mode different from Firefox, but can't do it in Jaunty. Isn't it a pitty that Konqueror, still the default viewer for internet, can no more be coerced into functionning correctly? Or is it my fault, some obvious thing I keept being blind about (as any translator *needs* a proof reader)? Sorry for the long mail, I wanted to be as precise as possible to avoid replies for things I belive I already tried correctly. Perhaps *couple of simpe questions* will bring all of you to the point: 1) has anyone been able, with Konqueror under Jaunty to use map24 (for me: http://www.ch.map24.com/ but you could try your local version), click on the "double rectangle" icon next to the "tool (monkey wrench) icon" to view it in a separate window, and click successfully ( means the map will zoom on the spot) on the left pane to confirm an address? ") what happens when you try "http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml" or "http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp" ik konq? If you have any comment, please answer (but note there is not important, it is only curiosity from my part, I'll stick to Hardy until I can master a *working* newer version that seems a good trade-off.) Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #322: Your Pentium has a heating problem - try cooling it with ice cold water (Do not turn off your computer, you do not want to cool down the Pentium Chip while he isn't working, do you?) From Grokit at ajinfosearch.com Sat Aug 15 18:53:09 2009 From: Grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:53:09 -0400 Subject: Nvidia 9600? In-Reply-To: References: <200908151316.10227.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908151453.09897.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> On Saturday 15 August 2009 12:53:36 pm Knapp wrote: > >> (??), an 8800 GTS, and currently a GTX 260. The only headache I had > >> was when I put the GTX 260 > > I am running 8.04 but if 4.3 makes the next new Kubuntu usable I might > be switching. Sadly I still can't stand KDE 4 and use 3. :-( > > Is the GTX 260 way faster than the 9600? > . . . I would say it is. If you take a look at link #1 for an example of fanless 9600's, you see it has 1/3 rd the number of stream processors as the 260, link #2. They are the main go-go juice, the more you have, the more the card can handle. There are other considerations to take into account also, but that is the big one. Link #3 shows the difference in performance. All I know is that I can play Oblivion, Fallout 3, Bioshock, etc with full settings at 1900x1200 on a 24 inch screen and have no slowdowns or stuttering video. You would have to scale back the detail (and probably the resolution) on the 9600 to get the same thing. The thing about good graphic cards like these is that they can get /very/ hot. If you want to run silent then the heat fins will start to get huge. A 9800 card is the most powerful one I could find without a fan. Any more powerful and you would have to use a GPU water cooler. Alan Link #1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125274 Link #2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130464 Link #3 http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-2009/Sum-of-FPS- Benchmarks-1680x1050,1197.html From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sat Aug 15 19:49:56 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:49:56 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141853.43709.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908152149.57541.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Saturday 15 August 2009 18:37:12 John L Vifian, vous avez écrit : [snip] > Some of the things you have had the opportunity to learn in the last bout > of emails are: > > The difference in left and right clicking a file in dolphin > what 'less' is and how to use it in a rudimentary fashion > How to turn line numbers on in 'less' > How to turn line numbers on in kate > when to use sudo and when to use kdesudo > how to search this list's archives with google > what the command cd does > what a path is > what happens when you open kate with a non-existent file name > what happens when you run less with a non-existent file name [snip] Please give the old man a break, let him time to digest all that, it isn't that easy when it's completely new, I even belive it is a lot to learn in a week, assuming he has no previous experience. I recon Steven's habit of over-apologin and stressing his right brain handedness may be frustrating [btw. see the july 2009 Scientific American edition, it has a very interesting article about this, and brain handness occured much before the advent of men... but IMHO having only a right brain functionning would be a very rare clinical condition which I don't belive Steven suffer] Some people may deserve hard criticism on a list, the are rude, mess up threading, reply agressively, and so on...I don't belive this is the case here. True he makes a lot of "noise" on the list, with all the answers he gets ;0) I must stress that this mail is not directed against John (who also gave good advice) , it is normal anyone sometimes "climbs up the wall". But please no mob for now. Frankly I'm glad Steven received some needed critism from the list, but too much looks like pecking. Hope you can feel that Perry -- BOFH excuse #404: Sysadmin accidentally destroyed pager with a large hammer From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Aug 15 20:04:52 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:04:52 +0200 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: <200908131527.32657.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131527.32657.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: >> also Windows might be a good solution here. >> I cannot remember that I ever had to do such things on windows. >> >> Eberhard > > Don't give up on me Eberhard, I am still making headway. Each time I run into > a loggerhead like this one, the solution comes. It just takes time; I am > still learning and having fun. Windows will never become an option. I will > trash and burn my computer first. > > Steven > > Steven, no need to worry, I will never give you up. Nevertheless windows nowadays is no reason to burn a computer anymore. It simply works and does the job, just as linux does. Eberhard From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 20:06:01 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:06:01 +0200 Subject: Nvidia 9600? In-Reply-To: <200908151453.09897.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> References: <200908151316.10227.mmtsales@gmail.com> <200908151453.09897.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: > On Saturday 15 August 2009 12:53:36 pm Knapp wrote: >> >> (??), an 8800 GTS, and currently a GTX 260.  The only headache I had >> >> was when I put the GTX 260 >> >> I am running 8.04 but if 4.3 makes the next new Kubuntu usable I might >> be switching. Sadly I still can't stand KDE 4 and use 3. :-( >> >> Is the GTX 260 way faster than the 9600? >> > . . . > > > I would say it is.  If you take a look at link #1 for an example of fanless > 9600's, you see it has 1/3 rd the number of stream processors as the 260, link > #2.  They are the main go-go juice, the more you have, the more the card can > handle.  There are other considerations to take into account also, but that is > the big one.  Link #3 shows the difference in performance.  All I know is that > I can play Oblivion, Fallout 3, Bioshock, etc with full settings at 1900x1200 > on a 24 inch screen and have no slowdowns or stuttering video.  You would have > to scale back the detail (and probably the resolution) on the 9600 to get the > same thing. I have a Asus 9600 GT fanless and it works great in Jaunty, cheap, silent and enough power for most things. Intrepid had some graphics bugs with Xorg/Nvidia driver but you could live with it. / Jonas From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 20:54:18 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:54:18 +0300 Subject: What is the best torrent software? In-Reply-To: <4A86D7CD.8030907@lemmons.name> References: <4A843743.3020603@cmosnetworks.com> <4A86D7CD.8030907@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <15edeae40908151354l4e4fc3e6q8d97ff01066e2ae5@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/15 Paul Lemmons : > Terrell Prudé Jr. wrote: >> >> >> you to upload as well as download.  To help with this, I also turn on DHT. >>  This can be a big help. >> >> Hopefully this helps, >> >> --TP >> > This statement caused me to scratch my chin. How does turning off DHT help? > > lol, he said turn "ON" DHT -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From paul at lemmons.name Sat Aug 15 20:58:50 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:58:50 -0700 Subject: What is the best torrent software? In-Reply-To: <15edeae40908151354l4e4fc3e6q8d97ff01066e2ae5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A843743.3020603@cmosnetworks.com> <4A86D7CD.8030907@lemmons.name> <15edeae40908151354l4e4fc3e6q8d97ff01066e2ae5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A87218A.70002@lemmons.name> Willy Hamra wrote: > 2009/8/15 Paul Lemmons : > >> Terrell Prudé Jr. wrote: >> >>> >>> you to upload as well as download. To help with this, I also turn on DHT. >>> This can be a big help. >>> >>> Hopefully this helps, >>> >>> --TP >>> >>> >> This statement caused me to scratch my chin. How does turning off DHT help? >> >> >> > > lol, he said turn "ON" DH Doh! My keyboard can't spell and now it appears my screen screen is not displaying the characters correctly... Surely it can't be me! ;-) I guess I can quit scratching my chin now. Thanks :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Aug 15 23:57:11 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:57:11 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908152149.57541.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908152149.57541.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908151957.11339.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 15 August 2009 03:49:56 pm Perry wrote: > Le Saturday 15 August 2009 18:37:12 John L Vifian, vous avez écrit : > [snip] > > > Some of the things you have had the opportunity to learn in the last bout > > of emails are: > > > > The difference in left and right clicking a file in dolphin > > what 'less' is and how to use it in a rudimentary fashion > > How to turn line numbers on in 'less' > > How to turn line numbers on in kate > > when to use sudo and when to use kdesudo > > how to search this list's archives with google > > what the command cd does > > what a path is > > what happens when you open kate with a non-existent file name > > what happens when you run less with a non-existent file name > > [snip] > > Please give the old man a break, > let him time to digest all that, it isn't that easy when it's completely > new, I even belive it is a lot to learn in a week, assuming he has no > previous experience. It's been much much longer than a week, it has been almost a *year* (iirc his first email to this list was September 2008) that we have been patiently helping Steven. That *must* be taken into account here, especially as we have been repeating ourselves to him over the course of the past year :0) > I recon Steven's habit of over-apologin and stressing his right brain > handedness may be frustrating [btw. see the july 2009 Scientific American > edition, it has a very interesting article about this, and brain handness > occured much before the advent of men... but IMHO having only a right brain > functionning would be a very rare clinical condition which I don't belive > Steven suffer] > > Some people may deserve hard criticism on a list, the are rude, mess up > threading, reply agressively, and so on...I don't belive this is the case > here. > True he makes a lot of "noise" on the list, with all the answers he gets > ;0) > > I must stress that this mail is not directed against John (who also gave > good advice) , it is normal anyone sometimes "climbs up the wall". But > please no mob for now. > Frankly I'm glad Steven received some needed critism from the list, but too > much looks like pecking. > > > Hope you can feel that Perry -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From jongleur at liripipe.com Sun Aug 16 00:38:45 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:38:45 -0700 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908152149.57541.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908152149.57541.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908151738.47249.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Saturday 15 August 2009 12:49:56 pm Perry wrote: > Please give the old man a break, > let him time to digest all that, it isn't that easy when it's completely > new, I even belive it is a lot to learn in a week, assuming he has no > previous experience. Steven has posting to this list since at least June of 2007, and I believe has been 'running' Kubuntu since at least that time. He is not new to it, and some of this stuff has been explained to him repeatedly. Since that time he has had continual computer problems many of them of his own making which this last almost certainly was. He has previously had problems with his sources.list, as recently as this June. He has trouble learning and we aren't being effective teachers. However he can learn; he has apparently gotten quite efficient at reinstalling Kubuntu. :-( It would be better if he was learning how to keep his machine running. So the question is how to get Steven to learn. I've tried the RTFM approach and gotten nowhere. He can't take notes. I suspect he does learn from repetition of tasks which is why he has gotten good at reinstalling Kubuntu. He apparently can set up kmail to fetch/send mail when he runs from a live CD, although someone should teach him how to leave the mail on the server so he doesn't end up losing the email. Earlier he had problems with configuring kmail so this is something that he has learned. I suggested that he could use tutoring. I'm pretty left-brained so I might not be the ideal person, but I like teaching, and if Steven is willing I would be wiling to spend the time to get him so that he basically understood what he was doing on the command line. (off-list of course) John Vifian -- Nothing new here, except my marrying, which to me is a matter of profound wonder. Abraham Lincoln From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 00:50:41 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:50:41 +0300 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908151957.11339.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908152149.57541.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908151957.11339.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40908151750l47d62ffs682c797ec867a8c0@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/16 Clay Weber : > On Saturday 15 August 2009 03:49:56 pm Perry wrote: >> Le Saturday 15 August 2009 18:37:12 John L Vifian, vous avez écrit : >> [snip] >> >> > Some of the things you have had the opportunity to learn in the last bout >> > of emails are: >> > >> > The difference in left and right clicking a file in dolphin >> > what 'less' is and how to use it in a rudimentary fashion >> > How to turn line numbers on in 'less' >> > How to turn line numbers on in kate >> > when to use sudo and when to use kdesudo >> > how to search this list's archives with google >> > what the command cd does >> > what a path is >> > what happens when you open kate with a non-existent file name >> > what happens when you run less with a non-existent file name >> >> [snip] >> >> Please give the old man a break, >> let him time to digest all that, it isn't that easy when it's completely >> new, I even belive it is a lot to learn in a week, assuming he has no >> previous experience. > > It's been much much longer than a week, it has been almost a *year* (iirc his > first email to this list was September 2008) that we have been patiently > helping Steven. That *must* be taken into account here, especially as we have > been repeating ourselves to him over the course of the past year :0) > i remember a time, a good old time in the past, when i have never heard of Steven. the list used to be a major source of information for me, i was still new to Linux back then. we used to talk and talk and talk, going OT was very frequent, and it was never frowned upon, everyone enjoyed it, since it was still Linux-related. it wasn't a geek conference, newbies were treated lovely. look at us now, more than half the emails are steven-related, those who have little time to contribute spend this time on steven, the threads that were not started by him, he'll HAVE to post something in them, and the whole thread goes to garbage afterwards. i feel like i'm watching a nursery here, you might have noticed how my contributions have been very rare in the past months, there's just nothing i feel worth talking about anymore, whatever happened to REAL computer users with REAL problems? we scared'em all away? tried googling random topics of the list? the results are ALL about steven, thanks to his mentioning of a million unrelated things in one email. well... sorry steven, i tried to help you a lot, i learned all i know because i HAD to after wrecking my uncle's computers every now and then, while i was too scared to admit. i worked days and nights reading every website, every book, every page of the windows xp help center, just to fix what i've wrecked. after 2 years of messing, wrecking, and fixing, i became a computer guru (however it's written :P) i remember clearly telling steven NOT to install from experimental repos, he insisted he wanted to, since it's not fun to be in a stable old system, and wants to try new things, well, he can try them by himself. it is very clearly noted everywhere, experimental software is NOT ppl requiring a stable system, what with those who CANT stand on a stable ground, and want to try a shaking one, i mean CMON, WTF??? learn the basics, he'll say it's not fun, so what? you're not having fun, you want to take ours?? learn the basics, enough said. i don't care how boring it is, if you can't walk, don't attempt running, and definitly don't ask us to take your hand and run you. we gice you the initial push, you continue on your own. you need to have some WITS. sorry to say it this meanly, but some of the copy/pasting you do from your shell is just plain stupid. you see the errors right in your face, and won't notice them, acknowledge them, stop by them, you just stupidly repaet same command over and over like a robot. i would understand if you're not a native english speaker, but hell, you are. and linux isn't exactly the cumbersome uber-geeky writer. i laugh at most of the error messages for their humour or delibrate unprofessionalism in them. and those who are not funny, are written very simply that even a child can get their meaning. not wanting to make this email any longer, Steven, go read! learn how to use a shell *professionally* before attempting ANY other program learning. once that done, i myself will examine you, and before that, pleeeeeease, leave us alone. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From cary at bielenberg.id.au Sun Aug 16 02:52:29 2009 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:52:29 +1000 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <15edeae40908151750l47d62ffs682c797ec867a8c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908152149.57541.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908151957.11339.claydoh@midmaine.com> <15edeae40908151750l47d62ffs682c797ec867a8c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A87746D.9020506@bielenberg.id.au> > > i remember a time, a good old time in the past, when i have never > heard of Steven. the list used to be a major source of information for > me, i was still new to Linux back then. we used to talk and talk and > talk, going OT was very frequent, and it was never frowned upon, > everyone enjoyed it, since it was still Linux-related. it wasn't a > geek conference, newbies were treated lovely. > look at us now, more than half the emails are steven-related, those > who have little time to contribute spend this time on steven, the > threads that were not started by him, he'll HAVE to post something in > them, and the whole thread goes to garbage afterwards. i feel like i'm > watching a nursery here, you might have noticed how my contributions > have been very rare in the past months, there's just nothing i feel > worth talking about anymore, whatever happened to REAL computer users > with REAL problems? we scared'em all away? tried googling random > topics of the list? the results are ALL about steven, thanks to his > mentioning of a million unrelated things in one email. > well... sorry steven, i tried to help you a lot, i learned all i know > because i HAD to after wrecking my uncle's computers every now and > then, while i was too scared to admit. i worked days and nights > reading every website, every book, every page of the windows xp help > center, just to fix what i've wrecked. after 2 years of messing, > wrecking, and fixing, i became a computer guru (however it's written > :P) > i remember clearly telling steven NOT to install from experimental > repos, he insisted he wanted to, since it's not fun to be in a stable > old system, and wants to try new things, well, he can try them by > himself. it is very clearly noted everywhere, experimental software is > NOT ppl requiring a stable system, what with those who CANT stand on a > stable ground, and want to try a shaking one, i mean CMON, WTF??? > learn the basics, he'll say it's not fun, so what? you're not having > fun, you want to take ours?? > learn the basics, enough said. i don't care how boring it is, if you > can't walk, don't attempt running, and definitly don't ask us to take > your hand and run you. we gice you the initial push, you continue on > your own. > you need to have some WITS. > sorry to say it this meanly, but some of the copy/pasting you do from > your shell is just plain stupid. you see the errors right in your > face, and won't notice them, acknowledge them, stop by them, you just > stupidly repaet same command over and over like a robot. i would > understand if you're not a native english speaker, but hell, you are. > and linux isn't exactly the cumbersome uber-geeky writer. i laugh at > most of the error messages for their humour or delibrate > unprofessionalism in them. and those who are not funny, are written > very simply that even a child can get their meaning. > not wanting to make this email any longer, Steven, go read! learn how > to use a shell *professionally* before attempting ANY other program > learning. once that done, i myself will examine you, and before that, > pleeeeeease, leave us alone. > > I thought creating a rule in my email to spam his emails would be a fix but unfortunately it only removes his posts & not the carnage left in his wake. Like the others I don't mind helping someone once, twice is a little bothersome three times makes them a DFU & as such should they should never play with development software. 2c Cary From john.j35 at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 03:11:40 2009 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:11:40 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131527.32657.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: > > It simply works and does the job, just as linux does. > > Eberhard > I would not go that far, I do service work and that is not the case more often than not. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From humberto.shiromoto at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 03:18:00 2009 From: humberto.shiromoto at gmail.com (Humberto S. Shiromoto) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:18:00 -0300 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop Message-ID: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> Hi I installed kubuntu 9.04 on my computer (Core 2 duo desktop) but I can't use my DVDROM to listen some music CDs. I can use normally for data but not for audio CDs. What could be wrong? Thanks, -- Humberto S. Shiromoto MSN Messenger: humberto.shiromoto at hotmail.com Skype: humberto.shiromoto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From multilingus at gmx.de Sun Aug 16 06:47:33 2009 From: multilingus at gmx.de (Mario Andes) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:47:33 +0200 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi maybe the sound module? Do you use amarok? Do you want to listen to mp3? When you install it, you will be asked for it! Mario On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:18:00 +0200, Humberto S. Shiromoto wrote: > Hi > > I installed kubuntu 9.04 on my computer (Core 2 duo desktop) but I can't > use > my DVDROM to listen some music CDs. I can use normally for data but not > for > audio CDs. What could be wrong? > > Thanks, > > -- > Humberto S. Shiromoto > > MSN Messenger: humberto.shiromoto at hotmail.com > Skype: humberto.shiromoto -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sun Aug 16 07:31:22 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:31:22 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908151738.47249.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908152149.57541.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908151738.47249.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908160931.23111.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Sunday 16 August 2009 02:38:45 John L Vifian, vous avez écrit : > On Saturday 15 August 2009 12:49:56 pm Perry wrote: > > Please give the old man a break, > > let him time to digest all that, it isn't that easy when it's completely > > new, I even belive it is a lot to learn in a week, assuming he has no > > previous experience. > > Steven has posting to this list since at least June of 2007, and I believe > has been 'running' Kubuntu since at least that time.  He is not new to it, > and some of this stuff has been explained to him repeatedly. [snip] My apologies, [to all] I should have followed that list more assiduously before replying. I first joined this list beginning 2008 but I unsubscribed between march and july this year, than left me enough time to forget. Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #158: Defunct processes From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sun Aug 16 07:35:38 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:35:38 +0200 Subject: Jaunty, Java and map24 In-Reply-To: <200908152051.42025.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200908071844.30871.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908081017.28076.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908152051.42025.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200908160935.38713.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Saturday 15 August 2009 20:51:41 Perry, vous avez écrit : > All of this works in Hardy, I could newer get map24 to work at all in > Jaunty. I forgot a word in the above sentence, I meant: I could newer get map24 to work at all *with Konqueror* in Jaunty. Perry -- BOFH excuse #203: Write-only-memory subsystem too slow for this machine, contact your local dealer From iodine at runbox.no Sun Aug 16 10:52:28 2009 From: iodine at runbox.no (Odd) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:52:28 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A87746D.9020506@bielenberg.id.au> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908152149.57541.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908151957.11339.claydoh@midmaine.com> <15edeae40908151750l47d62ffs682c797ec867a8c0@mail.gmail.com> <4A87746D.9020506@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <4A87E4EC.1050904@runbox.no> Cary Bielenberg wrote: > I thought creating a rule in my email to spam his emails would be a fix > but unfortunately it only removes his posts & not the carnage left in > his wake. Like the others I don't mind helping someone once, twice is a > little bothersome three times makes them a DFU & as such should they > should never play with development software. You need to create a rule which filters on body containing "Steven Vollom". At least it takes care of mails from people who properly attribute. I think Steven should go back to Windows. Linux is too hard for him. And if he has WIndows problems, he can bother a Windows list instead of Linux lists. -- Odd From Grokit at ajinfosearch.com Sun Aug 16 14:12:05 2009 From: Grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:12:05 -0400 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> On Saturday 15 August 2009 11:18:00 pm Humberto S. Shiromoto wrote: > Hi > > I installed kubuntu 9.04 on my computer (Core 2 duo desktop) but I can't > use my DVDROM to listen some music CDs. I can use normally for data but not > for audio CDs. What could be wrong? > > Thanks, > > -- > Humberto S. Shiromoto > > MSN Messenger: humberto.shiromoto at hotmail.com > Skype: humberto.shiromoto Due to the rotten lawyers, Kubuntu does not come installed with many of the things that you may want, like the codecs to play most popular music and DVD's. You will have to add them yourself. You do this in two steps. First add the Medibintu repository to your software sources, then install the package kubuntu-restricted-extras. That will take care of 99% of your music. Directions to add repository are here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu (copy and paste the 'keyring' and then 'jaunty' code into Konsole) Alan From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Aug 16 14:25:41 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:25:41 -0500 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A87E4EC.1050904@runbox.no> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908152149.57541.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200908151957.11339.claydoh@midmaine.com> <15edeae40908151750l47d62ffs682c797ec867a8c0@mail.gmail.com> <4A87746D.9020506@bielenberg.id.au> <4A87E4EC.1050904@runbox.no> Message-ID: <4A8816E5.2020301@swbell.net> On 08/16/2009 Odd wrote: > I think Steven should go back to Windows. Linux is too hard for him. > And if he has WIndows problems, he can bother a Windows list > instead of Linux lists. I wouldn't suggest that to anyone. I suggested that Steven get one of his computers absolutely stable then leave it alone. If he wants to play around with alpha/beta stuff and third party software do that with his other computer. That way it's not a panic situation if something doesn't work out. He can take his time to work out just what is wrong and how to fix it. All of his records and correspondence would be on the stable machine. I lept losing my cell phone charging cord. in the wire/cable clutter around my desk. I "attached" it to the side of my desk about mid cord. That way it just hangs down the side of my desk and when I need it I know where to find it. Steven says he can't keep up with a note book. Maybe if he ties it to his desk he could keep up with it. When he needs it just pull on the string and pull it out of where ever it's hiding. Someone else said to leave all his correspondence on the server. Some people don't have unlimited server storage. Once that space is taken up messages bounce. I know Steven has said that he wants to use the CLI and learn how, _BUT_ sometimes it would be easier, and _safer_, to use a GUI way to do it. Like in this last episode. Using less and vi is _NOT_ the easiest way to get anything done [ unless your a true guru ]. [ I would tell you what I _REALLY_ think of vi/vim but then I would catch some H___. ] Dolphin and Kate are a much better choice in that situation. My, and I suppose most users, computers are rock solid and stable. But then, I don't keep _trying_ to break it. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From tuxebi at gmx.de Sun Aug 16 14:25:58 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:25:58 +0200 Subject: OT (was: Re: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read.) In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131527.32657.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: John Pierce wrote: >> It simply works and does the job, just as linux does. >> >> Eberhard >> > > I would not go that far, I do service work and that is not the case > more often than not. > > OK, I have to agree, since I offer service work, as well. However, when talking about windows, people usually talk about an "installation", while on Linux, they have to talk about a "project", more often than not. ;-)) From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 14:35:19 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:35:19 +0200 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: > On Saturday 15 August 2009 11:18:00 pm Humberto S. Shiromoto wrote: >> Hi >> >> I installed kubuntu 9.04 on my computer (Core 2 duo desktop) but I can't >> use my DVDROM to listen some music CDs. I can use normally for data but not >> for audio CDs. What could be wrong? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Humberto S. Shiromoto >> >> MSN Messenger: humberto.shiromoto at hotmail.com >> Skype: humberto.shiromoto > > Due to the rotten lawyers, Kubuntu does not come installed with many of the > things that you may want, like the codecs to play most popular music and > DVD's.  You will have to add them yourself.  You do this in two steps.  First > add the Medibintu repository to your software sources, then install the > package kubuntu-restricted-extras.  That will take care of 99% of your music. > > > Directions to add repository are here: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu > (copy and paste the 'keyring' and then 'jaunty' code into Konsole) > > Alan > kubuntu-restricted-extras is in the multiverse repository not in medibuntu. But Medibuntu has other packages like libdvdcss2 for decrypting DVD and non-free-codecs that will pull in kubuntu-restricted-extras, w32/w64codec and some other non free codecs. / Jonas From jongleur at liripipe.com Sun Aug 16 17:13:55 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:13:55 -0700 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <4A8816E5.2020301@swbell.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A87E4EC.1050904@runbox.no> <4A8816E5.2020301@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908161013.55924.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Sunday 16 August 2009 7:25:41 am Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Someone else said to leave all his correspondence on the server. Some > people don't have unlimited server storage. Once that space is taken up > messages bounce. That would be me. What I meant to be suggesting was while he was booting from a live cd is that he configure the mail program he was using with that to leave the messages on the server, not that leaving mail on the server indefinitely would be a good idea. > I know Steven has said that he wants to use the CLI and learn how, _BUT_ > sometimes it would be easier, and _safer_, to use a GUI way to do it. > Like in this last episode. Using less and vi is _NOT_ the easiest way to > get anything done [ unless your a true guru ]. [ I would tell you what I > _REALLY_ think of vi/vim but then I would catch some H___. ] Dolphin and > Kate are a much better choice in that situation. I would agree with most of this, and possibly a list convention that Steven not be given command line options unless there was no way of doing things in a GUI fashion. For instance the gpg key instructions at http://www.kubuntu.org/faq/PPA-keys say they may not work with KPackageKit and recommends the cl version. Frankly I find KPackageKit doesn't work more often than not and have stopped using it. John Vifian -- Commas are the garbage bags of grammar. From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Aug 16 17:18:00 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:18:00 +0800 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <4A85CC03.8090909@midmaine.com> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A85CC03.8090909@midmaine.com> Message-ID: clay weber wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: >> I got an error message sending failed smtp.att.yahoo.com. First, I haven't use kmail for some time, but just try this out. Unless you have a yahoo email and have set smtp for this some time back, you shouldn't have a yahoo account added by any kubuntu update or upgrade. Go to Kmail setting--->configure kmail--->Accounts (left hand button)---> sending (top button)---> see if there is any yahoo smtp entry. If you dont use it, delete (remove) it. Done. (hopefully) > clay weber (a.k.a Phil Connors ;) ) > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107048/ Clay (Phil), thanks for your footnote. Understood clearly now Phil! Can totally relate to the situation at hand. But I think Donn has someone else in mind for Phil. ;) Obviously, I don't see much movies, I knew Groundhog Day is some superstitious event by the US president but I didn't relate it to the movie. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Aug 16 17:22:59 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:22:59 -0500 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A85CC03.8090909@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4A884073.3050709@swbell.net> Goh Lip wrote: > clay weber wrote: > >> Steven Vollom wrote: >> > > >>> I got an error message sending failed smtp.att.yahoo.com. >>> > > First, I haven't use kmail for some time, but just try this out. > Unless you have a yahoo email and have set smtp for this some time back, > you shouldn't have a yahoo account added by any kubuntu update or upgrade. > > Go to Kmail setting--->configure kmail--->Accounts (left hand > button)---> sending (top button)---> > > see if there is any yahoo smtp entry. If you dont use it, delete > (remove) it. > > Done. (hopefully) > > >> clay weber (a.k.a Phil Connors ;) ) >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107048/ >> > > Clay (Phil), thanks for your footnote. Understood clearly now Phil! > Can totally relate to the situation at hand. But I think Donn has > someone else in mind for Phil. ;) > Obviously, I don't see much movies, I knew Groundhog Day is some > superstitious event by the US president but I didn't relate it to the movie. > > > All ATT mail accounts are through Yahoo Mail. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From jongleur at liripipe.com Sun Aug 16 17:32:24 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:32:24 -0700 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A85CC03.8090909@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908161032.24641.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:18:00 am Goh Lip wrote: > Go to Kmail setting--->configure kmail--->Accounts (left hand > button)---> sending (top button)---> > > see if there is any yahoo smtp entry. If you dont use it, delete > (remove) it. The mail server that Steven uses to send mail through seems to be somehow attached to yahoo. From the email that started this thread: Received: from unknown (HELO yeshua.localnet) (stevenvollom at 76.250.189.87 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2009 19:42:39 -0000 it would be likely that the error message that he got was a temporary thing since he was able to send to this list. John Vifian -- I can explain it to you; I can't understand it for you. Barney Frank From david at dmcentral.net Sun Aug 16 17:33:03 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:33:03 -0400 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:12:05 am Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: > On Saturday 15 August 2009 11:18:00 pm Humberto S. Shiromoto wrote: > That will take care of 99% of your music. What is the other 1%? -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Aug 16 17:34:00 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:34:00 +0800 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <4A884073.3050709@swbell.net> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A85CC03.8090909@midmaine.com> <4A884073.3050709@swbell.net> Message-ID: Billie Erin Walsh wrote: >> >> > All ATT mail accounts are through Yahoo Mail. > Hai, Aso Deska! Good for you to correct. I stand corrected and will not comment further as I am not aware of this funny arrangement between ATT and Yahoo! Regards, Goh Lip From david at dmcentral.net Sun Aug 16 17:34:26 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:34:26 -0400 Subject: OT (was: Re: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read.) In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908161334.26782.david@dmcentral.net> On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:25:58 am Eberhard Roloff wrote: > John Pierce wrote: > >> It simply works and does the job, just as linux does. > > OK, I have to agree, since I offer service work, as well. > > However, when talking about windows, people usually talk > about an "installation", while on Linux, they have to talk > about a "project", more often than not. ;-)) Ha! You got that right on the nose. -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From david at dmcentral.net Sun Aug 16 17:37:51 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:37:51 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908161032.24641.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161032.24641.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908161337.52025.david@dmcentral.net> On Sunday 16 August 2009 01:32:24 pm John L Vifian wrote: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:18:00 am Goh Lip wrote: > > Go to Kmail setting--->configure kmail--->Accounts (left hand > > button)---> sending (top button)---> > > > > see if there is any yahoo smtp entry. If you dont use it, delete > > (remove) it. > > The mail server that Steven uses to send mail through seems to be somehow > attached to yahoo. > > >From the email that started this thread: > > Received: from unknown (HELO yeshua.localnet) (stevenvollom at 76.250.189.87 > with plain) > by smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2009 19:42:39 -0000 > > it would be likely that the error message that he got was a temporary thing > since he was able to send to this list. Not trying to sound mean here but, Steven has made the comment he has set up the live CD 50 million times, to send and receive mail. What makes this situation any different? -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 17:43:33 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:43:33 +0200 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:33 PM, David McGlone wrote: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:12:05 am Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: >> On Saturday 15 August 2009 11:18:00 pm Humberto S. Shiromoto > wrote: >>  That will take care of 99% of your music. > > What is the other 1%? > > > -- > Blessings, > David M. > http://www.dmcentral.net Open source formats. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Aug 16 17:44:51 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:44:51 -0500 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A85CC03.8090909@midmaine.com> <4A884073.3050709@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4A884593.1050803@swbell.net> Goh Lip wrote: > Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > >>> >>> >> All ATT mail accounts are through Yahoo Mail. >> >> > > Hai, Aso Deska! Good for you to correct. I stand corrected and will not > comment further as I am not aware of this funny arrangement between ATT > and Yahoo! > > Regards, > Goh Lip > > > The only half way decent thing about this arrangement is that Yahoo has a pretty darned good spam filter. Takes a little effort to train it but well worth it. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 17:49:16 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:49:16 +0200 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200908161949.16542.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday 16 August 2009 19:33:03 David McGlone wrote: > What is the other 1%? Use the command line: less onepercenter.drm and then train your mind to play notes according to the ascii-dump. You get some beep effects thrown in for free, so that's a bonus :D \d From Grokit at ajinfosearch.com Sun Aug 16 18:31:34 2009 From: Grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:31:34 -0400 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200908161431.34103.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> On Sunday 16 August 2009 01:33:03 pm David McGlone wrote: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:12:05 am Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: > > On Saturday 15 August 2009 11:18:00 pm Humberto S. Shiromoto > > wrote: > > That will take care of 99% of your music. > > What is the other 1%? What Donn said :) From jongleur at liripipe.com Sun Aug 16 18:58:53 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:58:53 -0700 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908161337.52025.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161032.24641.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908161337.52025.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200908161158.53963.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:37:51 am David McGlone wrote: > Not trying to sound mean here but, Steven has made the comment > he has set up the live CD 50 million times, to send and receive > mail. What makes this situation any different? Well you would think that he would use the same smtp server on his live CD setup as he uses on his installed version so it shouldn't make any difference. Since he sent his last message through a yahoo smtp server it would seem the server settings are valid, and the settings on his computer shouldn't have changed in an update which he claims to have done. Googling a bit it would appear that the server he shows is correct, and in my small amount of testing this is not the error you get with an incorrect authentication method, port or encryption, so to me it seems likely to be a temporary server problem. Course I could be wrong, or some other useful detail was left out of his email. John Vifian -- Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator, but among those whom I love I can: all of them make me laugh. WH Auden, The Dryer's Hand From tuxebi at gmx.de Sun Aug 16 19:07:18 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:07:18 +0200 Subject: notebook (was: Re: sane) In-Reply-To: <200908141741.19855.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131810.15737.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908140024.25924.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908141741.19855.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A8858E6.4010901@gmx.de> Dear Steven, Steven Vollom wrote: > One of the reasons I started using a computer is because I am unable to do > what you recommend. I have half dozen notebooks filled with computer info. > But I have to read them all just to find one answer. Usually 2 or 3 of them > are not where I can find them. I have very little long term memory, other than > really important stuff. When I set a notebook down, it usually becomes lost > almost immediately. > > Many times I will find an old notebook that has instructions in it on a topic I > have committed to memory and no longer need the notes. If you are anything > like all my other friends, you don't believe my situation. You think I am > lazy or irresponsible or something like that, and I can not convince you > otherwise. Some of the simplest things people do, I am unable to do. But > some of the most difficult things people must do, I can do without giving the > task a thought. Few left brained people will ever accept the fact that right > brained people can not assimilate information the same as they do. > Frustration is about the only thing it produces. That is the reason I make > myself out as stupid. People are kinder to stupid people than they are to > right-brained people. There are things that are so simple for me to do that I > cannot understand what is so difficult about the task for normal or left brained > people who occasionally use the right hemisphere. Sometimes I can see that > they are overwhelmed, because they thought I was a 10 watt bulb. But any > computer related explanation provided me by a right brained person who has > fought to understand the problem, can explain it to me in a few words, and I > have 100% understanding. This is very interesting to read and understand for me. Thanks a lot! I would think, you should give "basket" a try. This is, as far as I can tell, the computer based equivalent of a DIN A5 notebook. And: You can never loose it, as long as you include it in your backup AND: you will not have any difficulties to search through all of your notes, just because it is PC based. On my jaunty 32bit, it apparently is still KDE 3.5 based but who cares. sudo apt-get install basket then simply start it, ex. via konsole and type "basket" without the "quotes" Just a thought to make your life simpler. Kind regards Eberhard > > Everyone I get close to eventually understands. It is the old square peg in > the round hole thing. Thank you for trying to help, I understand the > instruction very well. But it is like making me take on a task that I have > absolutely no chance to succeed with; I will only practice failure. Not a fun > thing. I AM NOT RESISTING YOU, I AM UNABLE TO DO WHAT YOU SUGGEST. > > Emphasis not yelling. > > Steven > From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 19:48:38 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:48:38 +0300 Subject: Kate: one instance only! Message-ID: <880dece00908161248h621cc02bi6165974677b1297b@mail.gmail.com> No matter what I do, I cannot get Kate to open new files in an existing instance. Please, how is this done in KDE 4.x? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 20:35:38 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:35:38 +0300 Subject: Kate: one instance only! In-Reply-To: <880dece00908161248h621cc02bi6165974677b1297b@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00908161248h621cc02bi6165974677b1297b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40908161335m6c5531a8ydb583e7d9e3e81da@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/16 Dotan Cohen : > No matter what I do, I cannot get Kate to open new files in an > existing instance. Please, how is this done in KDE 4.x? Thanks. > this was discussed a while ago. you need to change file association for texts. there's a parameter when passed to kate, it reuses an existing instance. i'm not on my PC right now, just type "kate --help" in konsole, and see what it is. change the file association accordingly to pass that parameter everytime a file is selected to open with kate :) -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Aug 16 20:49:54 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:49:54 -0500 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908161158.53963.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161032.24641.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908161337.52025.david@dmcentral.net> <200908161158.53963.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <4A8870F2.9010608@swbell.net> John L Vifian wrote: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:37:51 am David McGlone wrote: > >> Not trying to sound mean here but, Steven has made the comment >> he has set up the live CD 50 million times, to send and receive >> mail. What makes this situation any different? >> > > Well you would think that he would use the same smtp server on his live CD > setup as he uses on his installed version so it shouldn't make any difference. > Since he sent his last message through a yahoo smtp server it would seem the > server settings are valid, and the settings on his computer shouldn't have > changed in an update which he claims to have done. > > Googling a bit it would appear that the server he shows is correct, and in my > small amount of testing this is not the error you get with an incorrect > authentication method, port or encryption, so to me it seems likely to be a > temporary server problem. Course I could be wrong, or some other useful > detail was left out of his email. > > John Vifian > Incoming for ATT is: pop.att.yahoo.com with SSL Outgoing is: smtp.att.yahoo.com no security user name both directions is full email address and password is whatever password you use. I had an issue with my laptop for a short time in Thunderbird because it named my ouitgoing connection. As soon as I removed the connection name it worked just fine. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Aug 16 20:27:01 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:27:01 -0300 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161032.24641.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908161337.52025.david@dmcentral.net> <200908161158.53963.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: John L Vifian wrote: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:37:51 am David McGlone wrote: >> Not trying to sound mean here but, Steven has made the comment >> he has set up the live CD 50 million times, to send and receive >> mail. What makes this situation any different? > > Well you would think that he would use the same smtp server on his live CD > setup as he uses on his installed version so it shouldn't make any > difference. Since he sent his last message through a yahoo smtp server it > would seem the server settings are valid, and the settings on his computer > shouldn't have changed in an update which he claims to have done. > > Googling a bit it would appear that the server he shows is correct, and in > my small amount of testing this is not the error you get with an incorrect > authentication method, port or encryption, so to me it seems likely to be > a > temporary server problem. Course I could be wrong, or some other useful > detail was left out of his email. Possibly all of the above :-) But I balk when seeing a line like: >> Received: from unknown (HELO yeshua.localnet) (stevenvollom at 76.250.189.87 with That sure looks to me like Steven is using a local smtp, which is operating in smarthost mode (and giving an improper HELO, at that - really, your system should identify with a genuine FQDN, and not *.localnet) forwarding to yahoo. -- derek From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Aug 16 21:15:20 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:15:20 -0400 Subject: Kate: one instance only! In-Reply-To: <15edeae40908161335m6c5531a8ydb583e7d9e3e81da@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00908161248h621cc02bi6165974677b1297b@mail.gmail.com> <15edeae40908161335m6c5531a8ydb583e7d9e3e81da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908161715.20651.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Sunday 16 August 2009 04:35:38 pm Willy Hamra wrote: > 2009/8/16 Dotan Cohen : > > No matter what I do, I cannot get Kate to open new files in an > > existing instance. Please, how is this done in KDE 4.x? Thanks. > > this was discussed a while ago. you need to change file association > for texts. there's a parameter when passed to kate, it reuses an > existing instance. i'm not on my PC right now, just type "kate --help" > in konsole, and see what it is. change the file association > accordingly to pass that parameter everytime a file is selected to > open with kate :) adding '--use' works for this -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 21:32:57 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:32:57 +0200 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <200908161431.34103.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> <200908161431.34103.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 01:33:03 pm David McGlone wrote: >> On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:12:05 am Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: >> > On Saturday 15 August 2009 11:18:00 pm Humberto S. Shiromoto >> >> wrote: >> >  That will take care of 99% of your music. >> >> What is the other 1%? > > What Donn said :) While trying to back up my movies (that I payed for, I feel I have the right even if they don't), I found that if you start playing the movie with the video player and then start DVDisaster and will make a copy because the video player turns off the DRM somehow. It is a good trick. The resulting ISO does have the DRM on it but at least it is a complete backup of your movie. Now your kids can scratch the heck out if it and you are only out the cost of a disk! :-) Perhaps the same will work with music with this problem? -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sun Aug 16 21:35:43 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:35:43 +0200 Subject: Kate: one instance only! In-Reply-To: <200908161715.20651.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <880dece00908161248h621cc02bi6165974677b1297b@mail.gmail.com> <15edeae40908161335m6c5531a8ydb583e7d9e3e81da@mail.gmail.com> <200908161715.20651.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908162335.44247.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Sunday 16 August 2009 23:15:20 Clay Weber, vous avez écrit : > On Sunday 16 August 2009 04:35:38 pm Willy Hamra wrote: > > 2009/8/16 Dotan Cohen : > > > No matter what I do, I cannot get Kate to open new files in an > > > existing instance. Please, how is this done in KDE 4.x? Thanks. > > > > this was discussed a while ago. you need to change file association > > for texts. there's a parameter when passed to kate, it reuses an > > existing instance. i'm not on my PC right now, just type "kate --help" > > in konsole, and see what it is. change the file association > > accordingly to pass that parameter everytime a file is selected to > > open with kate :) > > adding '--use' works for this I googled a bit and found: I only had time to try the "adding '--use' (it's getting late in my timezone) It works but I get a message (translated from french) saying: ***KDEInit cannot launch "/usr/bin/kate"***, perhaps the cure was given in the above link, I'll have to check later. Also when you open files from within Kate the same instance is used. Perry -- BOFH excuse #213: Change your language to Finnish From kassube at gmx.net Sun Aug 16 22:25:18 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:25:18 +0200 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161158.53963.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908170025.18542.kassube@gmx.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Possibly all of the above :-) But I balk when seeing a line like: > >> Received: from unknown (HELO yeshua.localnet) > >> (stevenvollom at 76.250.189.87 > > That sure looks to me like Steven is using a local smtp, which is > operating in smarthost mode (and giving an improper HELO, at that - > really, your system should identify with a genuine FQDN, and not > *.localnet) forwarding to yahoo. No, it is not from a local smtp but from Kmail. You should see a similar header in my message. Kmail uses $HOSTNAME.localnet as default but you can change it in the settings. Nils From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Aug 16 22:30:33 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:30:33 -0300 Subject: Kate: one instance only! References: <880dece00908161248h621cc02bi6165974677b1297b@mail.gmail.com> <15edeae40908161335m6c5531a8ydb583e7d9e3e81da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9tdml6-vnt.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Willy Hamra wrote: > 2009/8/16 Dotan Cohen : >> No matter what I do, I cannot get Kate to open new files in an >> existing instance. Please, how is this done in KDE 4.x? Thanks. >> > > this was discussed a while ago. you need to change file association > for texts. there's a parameter when passed to kate, it reuses an > existing instance. i'm not on my PC right now, just type "kate --help" > in konsole, and see what it is. change the file association > accordingly to pass that parameter everytime a file is selected to > open with kate :) Thanks, Willy (and Clay for specifics). This has been annoying me, just under the pain threshold where I'll actually look for an answer, every since the upgrade to KDE 4. -- derek From humberto.shiromoto at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 04:11:58 2009 From: humberto.shiromoto at gmail.com (Humberto S. Shiromoto) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:11:58 -0300 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> <200908161431.34103.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <46027db0908162111i224ef95dn6b45ed76c2fb46de@mail.gmail.com> Actually, I can rear mp3 but just audio CD I can't play. I already installed the restricted-extras package but still I can't hear the audio CDs. Thanks -- Humberto S. Shiromoto MSN Messenger: humberto.shiromoto at hotmail.com Skype: humberto.shiromoto On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 18:32, Knapp wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Alan Dacey Sr. > wrote: > > On Sunday 16 August 2009 01:33:03 pm David McGlone wrote: > >> On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:12:05 am Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: > >> > On Saturday 15 August 2009 11:18:00 pm Humberto S. Shiromoto > >> > >> wrote: > >> > That will take care of 99% of your music. > >> > >> What is the other 1%? > > > > What Donn said :) > > While trying to back up my movies (that I payed for, I feel I have the > right even if they don't), I found that if you start playing the movie > with the video player and then start DVDisaster and will make a copy > because the video player turns off the DRM somehow. It is a good > trick. The resulting ISO does have the DRM on it but at least it is a > complete backup of your movie. Now your kids can scratch the heck out > if it and you are only out the cost of a disk! :-) Perhaps the same > will work with music with this problem? > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > Why do we live? > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 04:21:40 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:21:40 +1000 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <46027db0908162111i224ef95dn6b45ed76c2fb46de@mail.gmail.com> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> <200908161431.34103.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <46027db0908162111i224ef95dn6b45ed76c2fb46de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07268a44ea2fefec8d74c7ba4f305c15@localhost> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:11:58 -0300, "Humberto S. Shiromoto" wrote: > Actually, I can rear mp3 but just audio CD I can't play. I already > installed > the restricted-extras package but still I can't hear the audio CDs. How are you trying to play the CD's? what application are you using? -- Lindsay Mathieson http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home/ From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Mon Aug 17 04:39:13 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:39:13 +0300 Subject: Kate: one instance only! In-Reply-To: <200908162335.44247.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <880dece00908161248h621cc02bi6165974677b1297b@mail.gmail.com> <15edeae40908161335m6c5531a8ydb583e7d9e3e81da@mail.gmail.com> <200908161715.20651.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908162335.44247.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <4A88DEF1.9070406@prayingforisrael.net> Perry wrote: > Le Sunday 16 August 2009 23:15:20 Clay Weber, vous avez écrit : >> On Sunday 16 August 2009 04:35:38 pm Willy Hamra wrote: >>> 2009/8/16 Dotan Cohen : >>>> No matter what I do, I cannot get Kate to open new files in an >>>> existing instance. Please, how is this done in KDE 4.x? Thanks. >>> this was discussed a while ago. you need to change file association >>> for texts. there's a parameter when passed to kate, it reuses an >>> existing instance. i'm not on my PC right now, just type "kate --help" >>> in konsole, and see what it is. change the file association >>> accordingly to pass that parameter everytime a file is selected to >>> open with kate :) >> adding '--use' works for this > > I googled a bit and found: > > I only had time to try the "adding '--use' (it's getting late in my timezone) > It works but I get a message (translated from french) saying: > ***KDEInit cannot launch "/usr/bin/kate"***, perhaps the cure was given in > the above link, I'll have to check later. > > Also when you open files from within Kate the same instance is used. > > Perry > I checked the above link and for me, running a fresh install of 9.04, my Kate entries are in: /home/nigel/.local/share/applications/kde4 and since I had already done the: System settings->Advanced tab->File bindings. In the treeview select text and then for every filetype that has Kate as an option of program to the right, select the kate option and click edit, in the dialog that opens select the Program tab and change the Command from kate %U to kate --use %U. I have a file named 'kate --use %U.desktop' (it's the only one in '/home/nigel/.local/share/applications/kde4'. I then, as per the above link, changed the line "X-DBUS-StartupType=Multi" and change the "Multi" to "None". Except that my entry had the 'Multi' as 'multi' -- so I changed it to 'none' rather than 'None' (notice the difference in Capital letters!). Now I am pleased to say that I don't get annoying pop-ups warning me about 'KDEinit launch "/usr/bin/kate". Blessings, Nigel From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 06:44:22 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:44:22 +0200 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <46027db0908162111i224ef95dn6b45ed76c2fb46de@mail.gmail.com> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <46027db0908162111i224ef95dn6b45ed76c2fb46de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908170844.22479.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday 17 August 2009 06:11:58 Humberto S. Shiromoto wrote: > Actually, I can rear mp3 but just audio CD I can't play If you can rear them, you and they are *good* friends :P This might be old-fashioned, but last time I played an audio cd in a computer I needed to get a little black and red wire thingy and connect the cd player to the sound card or motherboard. The wires used to come with the players. There's an audio socket on the back of the player. Then again, I also recall something about 'digital' playback from an audio cd. Check if your player has something like that. \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 07:27:42 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:27:42 +0300 Subject: Kate: one instance only! In-Reply-To: <200908162335.44247.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <880dece00908161248h621cc02bi6165974677b1297b@mail.gmail.com> <15edeae40908161335m6c5531a8ydb583e7d9e3e81da@mail.gmail.com> <200908161715.20651.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200908162335.44247.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <880dece00908170027x36dadfdbgeefcaefd40568d83@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/17 Perry : > Le Sunday 16 August 2009 23:15:20 Clay Weber, vous avez écrit : >> On Sunday 16 August 2009 04:35:38 pm Willy Hamra wrote: >> > 2009/8/16 Dotan Cohen : >> > > No matter what I do, I cannot get Kate to open new files in an >> > > existing instance. Please, how is this done in KDE 4.x? Thanks. >> > >> > this was discussed a while ago. you need to change file association >> > for texts. there's a parameter when passed to kate, it reuses an >> > existing instance. i'm not on my PC right now, just type "kate --help" >> > in konsole, and see what it is. change the file association >> > accordingly to pass that parameter everytime a file is selected to >> > open with kate :) >> >> adding '--use' works for this > > I googled a bit and found: > Thanks, all. Of course I googled before posting but did not find that link. The proposed fix works. Have a great week! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 08:28:06 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:28:06 +0300 Subject: kbluetooth4 debug packages In-Reply-To: <4A81C146.10004@chown.dk> References: <880dece00908070204r2b099009v64f27d3f43c46ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C3D29.8070207@chown.dk> <880dece00908070801u7b68b529h56a347d9ddcd308@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C8C87.2070500@chown.dk> <880dece00908090312i2e99a0e3m7d338851fde77305@mail.gmail.com> <4A8000EA.4010204@chown.dk> <4A80665E.3000101@chown.dk> <880dece00908101250h367d3e87x9c359e6231a637af@mail.gmail.com> <4A81C146.10004@chown.dk> Message-ID: <880dece00908170128o298a2010r45057af70be26778@mail.gmail.com> > I don't see any entry for "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty main > restricted universe multiverse" in your list. You need to add that one > to the list to get the debug symbols for most of the packages. > Thanks, Jonas, that is what I needed. Have a great week! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From Grokit at ajinfosearch.com Mon Aug 17 13:16:40 2009 From: Grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:16:40 -0400 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <200908170844.22479.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <46027db0908162111i224ef95dn6b45ed76c2fb46de@mail.gmail.com> <200908170844.22479.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908170916.41027.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> On Monday 17 August 2009 02:44:22 am Donn wrote: > On Monday 17 August 2009 06:11:58 Humberto S. Shiromoto wrote: > > Actually, I can rear mp3 but just audio CD I can't play > > If you can rear them, you and they are *good* friends :P > > This might be old-fashioned, but last time I played an audio cd in a > computer I needed to get a little black and red wire thingy and connect the > cd player to the sound card or motherboard. The wires used to come with the > players. There's an audio socket on the back of the player. > Then again, I also recall something about 'digital' playback from an audio > cd. Check if your player has something like that. > > \d That is old fashioned, long live 386! :) If it is a SATA drive then this is definitely not applicable. On an IDE drive, it may apply. That depends on the age of the motherboard. Considering that Humberto has a Core 2 Duo CPU, I doubt that is necessary. From my experience, it never hurts to connect the little cable just to be sure - it's one less thing that you can say is not the problem. Alan "I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!" From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 13:37:41 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:37:41 +0200 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <200908170916.41027.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <200908170844.22479.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908170916.41027.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <200908171537.41523.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday 17 August 2009 15:16:40 Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: > That is old fashioned, long live 386! :) Heh. I peaked early :) \d From guethling at googlemail.com Mon Aug 17 18:06:23 2009 From: guethling at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sascha_G=FCthling?=) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:06:23 -0400 Subject: How to edit touch pad functions In-Reply-To: <200908141435.01440.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <8abf83c20908130700n340d3936h39a1ed3ca3ac6b2@mail.gmail.com> <200908141435.01440.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8abf83c20908171106n2c393f35teac6e77a41664225@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Donn wrote: > On Thursday 13 August 2009 16:00:57 Sascha Güthling wrote: > > Is there another program > > that offers options? > Try installing gsynaptics. It helped on my little Acer notebook. > > \d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Thank you for your replies. Nils: mine works the same. I don't know why I thought it's double tap. man synaptics gave me some ideas but I still struggle to get everything working the way I want it to. More about that further down. Donn: gsynaptics seems to be a nice tool but it doesn't give me any options to change the corner tap action of my touchpad. I found out, that the setup is not done in xorg.conf anymore. In order to activate SHM for gsynaptics I created a file shmconfig.fdi under /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ with the following content: True Supposedly that does the same as having a line like "Option" "SHMConfig" "True" in your xorg.conf This switched SHM on which allowed me to run gsynaptics. But when I added 2 more lines to switch the corner tapping off they didn't have any effect. Here is the complete file: True 0 0 Any ideas anybody? Any help is appreciated. Sascha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 21:00:41 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:00:41 +1000 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200908180700.41570.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:02:34 am Mark Halegua wrote: > Since the upgrade to Kubuntu 9.04, the kontact app has changed appearance > and also somewhat the way it works. > > Specifically, in kmail, the folder tab allows me to set column headings so > I can show the total # of emails, and how many unread. However, the > settings don't seem to stick, and I can't resize the columns as I could in > kmail under KDE 3.5 (currently at 4.2.2, with kontact 1.11.2). There were column issues with kontact but they were resolved by 4.2, I just tested mine and can't replicate them, but thats with kde 4.3 2 Suggestions: 1 - Upgrade to KDE 4.3 by activating the backports repository. Its worth doing in general, 4.3 is so much better! 2 - if problems persist you probably have cruft in your .kde folder, try renaming it to something else and rebooting. -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Mon Aug 17 21:55:51 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:55:51 -0500 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908180700.41570.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908180700.41570.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908171655.51441.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Monday 17 August 2009 04:00:41 pm Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:02:34 am Mark Halegua wrote: > > Since the upgrade to Kubuntu 9.04, the kontact app has changed appearance > > and also somewhat the way it works. > > > > Specifically, in kmail, the folder tab allows me to set column headings so > > I can show the total # of emails, and how many unread. However, the > > settings don't seem to stick, and I can't resize the columns as I could in > > kmail under KDE 3.5 (currently at 4.2.2, with kontact 1.11.2). > > There were column issues with kontact but they were resolved by 4.2, I just > tested mine and can't replicate them, but thats with kde 4.3 > > 2 Suggestions: > > 1 - Upgrade to KDE 4.3 by activating the backports repository. Its worth doing > in general, 4.3 is so much better! > > 2 - if problems persist you probably have cruft in your .kde folder, try > renaming it to something else and rebooting. > > -- > Lindsay > http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > If the above is not quite adequate, you might also contact kdepim- users at kde.org. This is a somewhat more application-package oriented list than the distro-oriented kubuntu list. From humberto.shiromoto at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 23:38:05 2009 From: humberto.shiromoto at gmail.com (Humberto S. Shiromoto) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:38:05 -0300 Subject: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <07268a44ea2fefec8d74c7ba4f305c15@localhost> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <200908161012.05833.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908161333.03627.david@dmcentral.net> <200908161431.34103.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <46027db0908162111i224ef95dn6b45ed76c2fb46de@mail.gmail.com> <07268a44ea2fefec8d74c7ba4f305c15@localhost> Message-ID: <46027db0908171638o5b022561oed06563255a34300@mail.gmail.com> I am putting the audio CDs in the CD driver. Kubuntu just don't recognize it. I don't think that it could be a problem with the cable because I can play it on windows (I have dual boot). So I was thinking if it could be a problem with the driver... the most strange for me is that it worked with kubuntu 7.04 -- Humberto S. Shiromoto MSN Messenger: humberto.shiromoto at hotmail.com Skype: humberto.shiromoto On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 01:21, Lindsay Mathieson < lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote: > How are you trying to play the CD's? what application are you using? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 23:50:51 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:50:51 +1000 Subject: Spam:*****, Re: Problems with DVDROM on desktop In-Reply-To: <46027db0908171638o5b022561oed06563255a34300@mail.gmail.com> References: <46027db0908152018m6c93d40dl2307cb9c20e19c84@mail.gmail.com> <07268a44ea2fefec8d74c7ba4f305c15@localhost> <46027db0908171638o5b022561oed06563255a34300@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908180950.51457.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:38:05 am Humberto S. Shiromoto wrote: > I am putting the audio CDs in the CD driver. Kubuntu just don't recognize > it. I don't think that it could be a problem with the cable because I can > play it on windows (I have dual boot). So I was thinking if it could be a > problem with the driver... the most strange for me is that it worked with > kubuntu 7.04 Kubuntu won't play an audiocd by itself, you need to use a media program. Kaffeine does a reasonable job, put the cd in the drive, start Kaffeine and click the "Play Audio CD" button. -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From kenneth_samonte at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 03:16:16 2009 From: kenneth_samonte at yahoo.com (Kenneth Samonte) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: forum post Message-ID: <5541.8560.qm@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> i would like to be able to post to kubuntuforums kenneth_samonte at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From stan10x10 at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 06:54:22 2009 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:54:22 -0400 Subject: video problem on install Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0908172354w5f498ef3qba7a103644958213@mail.gmail.com> Trashed my hd and when I did reinstall I got a screen of colored rectangles. No change to computer since original install (9.04) Using nvidia 7900gs on asus p5 mb. How can I find out problem and correct? Also am considering getting ati 4850, any one have one and how does it work -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at alvin.be Tue Aug 18 07:11:18 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:11:18 +0200 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908180700.41570.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908180700.41570.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908180911.20610.info@alvin.be> On Monday 17 August 2009 23:00:41 Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:02:34 am Mark Halegua wrote: > > Since the upgrade to Kubuntu 9.04, the kontact app has changed appearance > > and also somewhat the way it works. > > > > Specifically, in kmail, the folder tab allows me to set column headings > > so I can show the total # of emails, and how many unread. However, the > > settings don't seem to stick, and I can't resize the columns as I could > > in kmail under KDE 3.5 (currently at 4.2.2, with kontact 1.11.2). > > There were column issues with kontact but they were resolved by 4.2, I just > tested mine and can't replicate them, but thats with kde 4.3 I also use KDE 4.3, and there is no difference. I can confirm the column issues. They are small. If you right-click the column header and choose 'Adjust Column Sizes', the view is fixed. To temporarily fix the width in the folder list, right-click the column header, enable something and disable it again. > 2 Suggestions: > > 1 - Upgrade to KDE 4.3 by activating the backports repository. Its worth > doing in general, 4.3 is so much better! It certainly is. KMail is more stable, but this annoyance isn't fixed by it. > 2 - if problems persist you probably have cruft in your .kde folder, try > renaming it to something else and rebooting. I don't like that suggestion. It sounds like reinstalling that other OS whenever problems arise and you will lose your settings. I'd rather see a link to a bug report. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 07:47:06 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:47:06 +0200 Subject: video problem on install In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0908172354w5f498ef3qba7a103644958213@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0908172354w5f498ef3qba7a103644958213@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908180947.07250.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday 18 August 2009 08:54:22 uriah heep wrote: Open /etc/X11/xorg.conf, seek: Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" Driver "nvidia" Option "NoLogo" "True" EndSection Change part to: Driver "nv" Restart X. That *should* get you in... I hope. \d From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 08:43:51 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:43:51 +1000 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908180911.20610.info@alvin.be> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908180700.41570.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> <200908180911.20610.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200908181843.51575.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:11:18 pm Alvin wrote: > I also use KDE 4.3, and there is no difference. I can confirm the column > issues. They are small. If you right-click the column header and choose > 'Adjust Column Sizes', the view is fixed. > > To temporarily fix the width in the folder list, right-click the column > header, enable something and disable it again. I absolutely can adjust columns sizes manually using the mouse and the changes "stick" -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From info at alvin.be Tue Aug 18 10:42:06 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:42:06 +0200 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908181843.51575.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908180911.20610.info@alvin.be> <200908181843.51575.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908181242.08795.info@alvin.be> On Tuesday 18 August 2009 10:43:51 Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:11:18 pm Alvin wrote: > > I also use KDE 4.3, and there is no difference. I can confirm the column > > issues. They are small. If you right-click the column header and choose > > 'Adjust Column Sizes', the view is fixed. > > > > To temporarily fix the width in the folder list, right-click the column > > header, enable something and disable it again. > > I absolutely can adjust columns sizes manually using the mouse and the > changes "stick" And here is the bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203251 From dmcmdissanayake at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 12:17:03 2009 From: dmcmdissanayake at gmail.com (dissanayake dmcm) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:17:03 -0700 Subject: get help Message-ID: i want to be a member of kubuntu..............................i installed that allreddy. but i cant get in to net ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i am using sonyericson k700i mobile phone as modem & bluetooth (IVT Corporation----VERSION 2.0.10.0) please how i connect to internet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 12:24:15 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:24:15 +1000 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908181242.08795.info@alvin.be> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908181843.51575.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> <200908181242.08795.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200908182224.15368.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:42:06 pm Alvin wrote: > And here is the bug: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203251 That refers to remembering column widths, the original message referred to be unable to resize columns. -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From info at alvin.be Tue Aug 18 12:29:19 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:29:19 +0200 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908182224.15368.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908181242.08795.info@alvin.be> <200908182224.15368.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908181429.21186.info@alvin.be> On Tuesday 18 August 2009 14:24:15 Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:42:06 pm Alvin wrote: > > And here is the bug: > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203251 > > That refers to remembering column widths, the original message referred to > be unable to resize columns. You're absolutely right. My apologies. Resizing itself works fine. While reading the original post again. There was another question: help:/kontact/index.html does not exist. Wasn't that a packaging problem that would be tacled in Karmic? (The return of KDE help or something) From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Aug 18 12:40:35 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:40:35 -0400 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908181429.21186.info@alvin.be> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908182224.15368.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> <200908181429.21186.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200908180840.35762.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Tuesday 18 August 2009 08:29:19 am Alvin wrote: > On Tuesday 18 August 2009 14:24:15 Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:42:06 pm Alvin wrote: > > > And here is the bug: > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203251 > > > > That refers to remembering column widths, the original message referred > > to be unable to resize columns. > > You're absolutely right. My apologies. Resizing itself works fine. > > While reading the original post again. There was another question: > help:/kontact/index.html does not exist. Wasn't that a packaging problem > that would be tacled in Karmic? (The return of KDE help or something) I think you still need to install the help/docs packages - kdepim-doc. The docs packages aren't included on the install disk as there is limited space there. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From stan10x10 at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 17:16:35 2009 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:16:35 -0400 Subject: video problem on install In-Reply-To: <200908180947.07250.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0908172354w5f498ef3qba7a103644958213@mail.gmail.com> <200908180947.07250.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0908181016y3f82745i5e2f99b6ad231203@mail.gmail.com> So I boot to cl then how do I Open /etc/X11/xorg.conf, seek: just type it in at prompt? 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URL: From phantom21 at mindspring.com Tue Aug 18 17:28:02 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:28:02 -0400 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908180911.20610.info@alvin.be> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908180700.41570.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> <200908180911.20610.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200908181328.03294.phantom21@mindspring.com> On Tuesday 18 August 2009 03:11:18 am Alvin wrote: > On Monday 17 August 2009 23:00:41 Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:02:34 am Mark Halegua wrote: > > > Since the upgrade to Kubuntu 9.04, the kontact app has changed > > > appearance and also somewhat the way it works. > > > > > > Specifically, in kmail, the folder tab allows me to set column headings > > > so I can show the total # of emails, and how many unread. However, the > > > settings don't seem to stick, and I can't resize the columns as I could > > > in kmail under KDE 3.5 (currently at 4.2.2, with kontact 1.11.2). > > > > There were column issues with kontact but they were resolved by 4.2, I > > just tested mine and can't replicate them, but thats with kde 4.3 > > I also use KDE 4.3, and there is no difference. I can confirm the column > issues. They are small. If you right-click the column header and choose > 'Adjust Column Sizes', the view is fixed. > > To temporarily fix the width in the folder list, right-click the column > header, enable something and disable it again. > > > 2 Suggestions: > > > > 1 - Upgrade to KDE 4.3 by activating the backports repository. Its worth > > doing in general, 4.3 is so much better! > > It certainly is. KMail is more stable, but this annoyance isn't fixed by > it. > > > 2 - if problems persist you probably have cruft in your .kde folder, try > > renaming it to something else and rebooting. > > I don't like that suggestion. It sounds like reinstalling that other OS > whenever problems arise and you will lose your settings. I'd rather see a > link to a bug report. Well, I tried the backport to 4.3, and it certainly made some changes. Still couldn't resize the columns, and on rebooting the system, the plasma said it couldn't do something, but couldn't give me details to send in. Now, the task bar doesn't appear and trying sudo apt-get update to try and fix it keeps telling me a pubkey isn't correct, and to use apt-get update to fix it, which it doesn't and keeps repeating the message. I may have to reinstall, from scratch this time. Mark From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 18:00:32 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:00:32 +0200 Subject: video problem on install In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0908181016y3f82745i5e2f99b6ad231203@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0908172354w5f498ef3qba7a103644958213@mail.gmail.com> <200908180947.07250.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <69c7ddfb0908181016y3f82745i5e2f99b6ad231203@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908182000.33085.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday 18 August 2009 19:16:35 uriah heep wrote: > So I boot to cl then how do I Open /etc/X11/xorg.conf, seek: just type > it in at prompt? You will have to use a text editor at the cli. Try: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From jongleur at liripipe.com Tue Aug 18 18:56:20 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:56:20 -0700 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908181328.03294.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908180911.20610.info@alvin.be> <200908181328.03294.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200908181156.21315.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Tuesday 18 August 2009 10:28:02 am Mark Halegua wrote: > Well, I tried the backport to 4.3, and it certainly made some changes. > Still couldn't resize the columns, and on rebooting the system, the plasma > said it couldn't do something, but couldn't give me details to send in. > Now, the task bar doesn't appear and trying sudo apt-get update to try and > fix it keeps telling me a pubkey isn't correct, and to use apt-get update > to fix it, which it doesn't and keeps repeating the message. Rightclick on the desktop and choose add panel then right click on the panel and add the appropriate widgets: "Application Launcher", "System Tray", "Task Manger", "Trashcan", "Digital Clock", "Device Notifier" and "Pager" to duplicate what I have. John Vifian -- Sex without love is an empty experience, but, as empty experiences go, it's one of the best. Woody Allen From jongleur at liripipe.com Tue Aug 18 18:58:11 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:58:11 -0700 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns Message-ID: <200908181158.11907.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Tuesday 18 August 2009 10:28:02 am Mark Halegua wrote: > Well, I tried the backport to 4.3, and it certainly made some changes. > Still couldn't resize the columns, and on rebooting the system, the plasma > said it couldn't do something, but couldn't give me details to send in. > Now, the task bar doesn't appear and trying sudo apt-get update to try and > fix it keeps telling me a pubkey isn't correct, and to use apt-get update > to fix it, which it doesn't and keeps repeating the message. Rightclick on the desktop and choose add panel then right click on the panel and add the appropriate widgets: "Application Launcher", "System Tray", "Task Manger", "Trashcan", "Digital Clock", "Device Notifier" and "Pager" to duplicate what I have. John Vifian -- Sex without love is an empty experience, but, as empty experiences go, it's one of the best. Woody Allen From stan10x10 at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 20:39:32 2009 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:39:32 -0400 Subject: video problem on install In-Reply-To: <200908182000.33085.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0908172354w5f498ef3qba7a103644958213@mail.gmail.com> <200908180947.07250.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <69c7ddfb0908181016y3f82745i5e2f99b6ad231203@mail.gmail.com> <200908182000.33085.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0908181339m1886abe9t3397d0375db7bdf2@mail.gmail.com> Well while using nsw on the windows partition it decided grub was an error and deleted it. I will be starting a new intall using an alternative disk 64 bit 9.04. is there a way during the install I can tell it to set up to avoid the video problem? 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URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 20:46:34 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:46:34 +0200 Subject: video problem on install In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0908181339m1886abe9t3397d0375db7bdf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0908172354w5f498ef3qba7a103644958213@mail.gmail.com> <200908182000.33085.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <69c7ddfb0908181339m1886abe9t3397d0375db7bdf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908182246.34694.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday 18 August 2009 22:39:32 uriah heep wrote: > 64 bit 9.04. I would *strongly* advice you install the 32 bit -- if you have the option. 64bit has been a total disaster for me... I am going to format and install Karmic 32 when it comes out. > is there a way during the install I can tell it to set up to > avoid the video problem? No idea... It should use the 'nv' driver (or some framebuffer voodoo) but I don't recall if you can set anything manually. Just remember to try switch to a terminal (ctrl + alt + F1) and then you can go edit that xorg.conf file again. Best of luck. \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Tue Aug 18 23:46:59 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:46:59 -0400 Subject: How to edit touch pad functions In-Reply-To: <8abf83c20908171106n2c393f35teac6e77a41664225@mail.gmail.com> References: <8abf83c20908130700n340d3936h39a1ed3ca3ac6b2@mail.gmail.com> <200908141435.01440.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <8abf83c20908171106n2c393f35teac6e77a41664225@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Aug 17, Sascha Güthling did say: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Donn wrote: > On Thursday 13 August 2009 16:00:57 Sascha Güthling wrote: > > Is there another program > > that offers options? > Try installing gsynaptics. It helped on my little Acer notebook. > > Thank you for your replies. > > Nils: mine works the same. I don't know why I thought it's double tap. man synaptics gave me > some ideas but I still struggle to get everything working the way I want it to. More about > that further down. > > Donn: gsynaptics seems to be a nice tool but it doesn't give me any options to change the > corner tap action of my touchpad. > > > I found out, that the setup is not done in xorg.conf anymore. In order to activate SHM for > gsynaptics I created a file shmconfig.fdi under /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ with the following > content: > > > > > > > > True > > > > > > > Supposedly that does the same as having a line like > "Option" "SHMConfig" "True" > in your xorg.conf > > This switched SHM on which allowed me to run gsynaptics. > But when I added 2 more lines to switch the corner tapping off they didn't have any effect. > Here is the complete file: > > > >   >   >    True >    0 >    0 >   >   > > > Any ideas anybody? > > Any help is appreciated. > > Sascha Well I think have some useful information for you Sascha... I was first exposed to this on my Sabayon 4.2 installation In my case though I wanted to disable all tapping and all scroll wheel functions. Tapping always renders my touch pad mouse unusable for me because I'm unable to move the mouse pointer without triggering undesired "click" events on every single clickable object between the current mouse position and the spot I'm trying to move it to. And I was always accidentally changing things by accidentally brushing the scroll wheel portion of the keypad... With Sabayon I did a web search that resulted in enough instructions for me to find out that it was now a hal policy issue. And that I'd find an existing file named /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi Note: in Kubuntu the file was: /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi Which needed to be edited... I gleaned enough info from several different replies to make mine look like this: synaptics true 2 0 false false false false 0 0 0 Which not only shut down tapping, But thankfully also stopped the right hand third of the touch pad from acting like a scroll wheel... I think that for me the important part was the TouchpadOff line where the value "2" was supposed to leave basic mouse function on, but shutdown everything else... I don't really understand the "hal policy". But that worked for me. Perhaps it will serve as a guide for you to edit yours... There is also quite a bit of info that might interest you in the synaptics man entry, such as: Option "RTCornerButton" "integer" Option "RBCornerButton" "integer" Option "LTCornerButton" "integer" Option "LBCornerButton" "integer" AND Option "TouchpadOff" "integer" I note that "RLCornerButton" isn't there... But more to the point, I also note that the TouchpadOff entry, like the corner button entries, *_IS_* listed as an integer. Yet in my fdi file the working TouchpadOff entry uses the term "string" instead!!??!! So perhaps the lines 0 0 would work for you... Hope this helps! -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <> From phantom21 at mindspring.com Wed Aug 19 04:41:42 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:41:42 -0400 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908181158.11907.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908181158.11907.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908190041.43266.phantom21@mindspring.com> On Tuesday 18 August 2009 02:58:11 pm John L Vifian wrote: > On Tuesday 18 August 2009 10:28:02 am Mark Halegua wrote: > > Well, I tried the backport to 4.3, and it certainly made some changes. > > Still couldn't resize the columns, and on rebooting the system, the > > plasma said it couldn't do something, but couldn't give me details to > > send in. Now, the task bar doesn't appear and trying sudo apt-get update > > to try and fix it keeps telling me a pubkey isn't correct, and to use > > apt-get update to fix it, which it doesn't and keeps repeating the > > message. > > Rightclick on the desktop and choose add panel then right click on the > panel and add the appropriate widgets: "Application Launcher", "System > Tray", "Task Manger", "Trashcan", "Digital Clock", "Device Notifier" and > "Pager" to duplicate what I have. > > John Vifian Right-clicking on the desktop does nothing for me. The error I get says Plasma has crashed. When I try to do a backtrace, it won't saying the system may have been corrupted. Luckily I had my /home directory in a separate partition. I can install from scratch and it won't affect my mail, local apps, or settings. Mark From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 04:56:24 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:56:24 +1000 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908181429.21186.info@alvin.be> References: <200908171502.35454.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908181242.08795.info@alvin.be> <200908182224.15368.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> <200908181429.21186.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:29:19 +0200, Alvin wrote: > On Tuesday 18 August 2009 14:24:15 Lindsay Mathieson wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:42:06 pm Alvin wrote: >> > And here is the bug: >> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203251 >> The being unable to resize the columns is what lead me to wonder if he had a borked install/config which is why I suggested he rename the .kde folder. I should have been more clear - it was just to test whether it made a difference, not as a solution per se. The not saving sizes is a problem though. -- Lindsay Mathieson http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home/ From stan10x10 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 06:17:51 2009 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:17:51 -0400 Subject: video problem on install In-Reply-To: <200908182246.34694.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0908172354w5f498ef3qba7a103644958213@mail.gmail.com> <200908182000.33085.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <69c7ddfb0908181339m1886abe9t3397d0375db7bdf2@mail.gmail.com> <200908182246.34694.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0908182317m73e0a973tea054c13cd67190a@mail.gmail.com> I did reinstall and the monitor problem remains unchanged. However, when booting I have the opportunity to go into repair mode and launch a root partican shell which I think will allow me to execute the commands you gave earlier. Would you be so kind as to explain to me how to enter them and treat me as a total novice? On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Donn wrote: > On Tuesday 18 August 2009 22:39:32 uriah heep wrote: > > 64 bit 9.04. > I would *strongly* advice you install the 32 bit -- if you have the option. > 64bit has been a total disaster for me... I am going to format and install > Karmic 32 when it comes out. > > > is there a way during the install I can tell it to set up to > > avoid the video problem? > No idea... It should use the 'nv' driver (or some framebuffer voodoo) but I > don't recall if you can set anything manually. > Just remember to try switch to a terminal (ctrl + alt + F1) and then you > can > go edit that xorg.conf file again. > > Best of luck. > \d > -- > home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ > 2D vector animation : > https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ > Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at alvin.be Wed Aug 19 06:24:00 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:24:00 +0200 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908190041.43266.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908181158.11907.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908190041.43266.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200908190824.02120.info@alvin.be> On Wednesday 19 August 2009 06:41:42 Mark Halegua wrote: > On Tuesday 18 August 2009 02:58:11 pm John L Vifian wrote: > > On Tuesday 18 August 2009 10:28:02 am Mark Halegua wrote: > > > Well, I tried the backport to 4.3, and it certainly made some changes. > > > Still couldn't resize the columns, and on rebooting the system, the > > > plasma said it couldn't do something, but couldn't give me details to > > > send in. Now, the task bar doesn't appear and trying sudo apt-get > > > update to try and fix it keeps telling me a pubkey isn't correct, and > > > to use apt-get update to fix it, which it doesn't and keeps repeating > > > the message. > > > > Rightclick on the desktop and choose add panel then right click on the > > panel and add the appropriate widgets: "Application Launcher", "System > > Tray", "Task Manger", "Trashcan", "Digital Clock", "Device Notifier" and > > "Pager" to duplicate what I have. > > > > John Vifian > > Right-clicking on the desktop does nothing for me. The error I get says > Plasma has crashed. When I try to do a backtrace, it won't saying the > system may have been corrupted. > > Luckily I had my /home directory in a separate partition. I can install > from scratch and it won't affect my mail, local apps, or settings. Putting your /home on a separate partition is thoughtful, but in this case, I would first try to fix the installation. This isn't Microsoft Windows where you reinstall for shortcuts with the wrong icons. The pubkey is asked here every other day. There is a link to the instructions on the front page of http://www.kubuntu.org Useful links: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq/PPA-keys https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware Now, just try the following: $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 06:42:16 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:42:16 +0200 Subject: video problem on install In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0908182317m73e0a973tea054c13cd67190a@mail.gmail.com> References: <69c7ddfb0908172354w5f498ef3qba7a103644958213@mail.gmail.com> <200908182246.34694.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <69c7ddfb0908182317m73e0a973tea054c13cd67190a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908190842.16970.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday 19 August 2009 08:17:51 uriah heep wrote: > Would you be so kind as to explain to me how to enter them and > treat me as a total novice? I will do my best, but my way may not be the best. Do some googling too. Use keywords: X11, xorg.conf, nvidia, nv, driver, ubuntu The problem as I see it is that your 3D driver is not functioning. Attempt 1 would be to try and install the driver. Attempt 2 would be to use the 'nv' driver instead (no 3D) Both attempts require the use of the shell. If you get a command prompt, you are good to go. Make sure it *is* one though, and not some other shell - like the one you can get when editing the boot record. Once you have installed and booted - depending what you see - you can login, or use a hot-key: Ctrl + Alt + F1 (or F2) to go to a shell. Then login. Attempt 1. We need to install the drivers from the repos. I don't savvy all the kinds of cards out there and how to match the right driver -- but I have noticed that they seem to come in one bunch - so let's try find the package. Note: Use the 'sudo' command to get root-for-a-while. Note: A $ sign indicates your shell prompt - don't type it. $apt-cache search nvidia ...snip nvidia-glx-180 - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver Among the results I chose that one because it's number is 180 - larger than the other options offered. If you already have this one installed, using another one may do. Again, google. $sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 (type password, press enter) That may work - you may have to restart. Or you can try: $startx Attempt 2. There is no hope for 3D. You need to open and edit a configuration file and make a change. You should use the 'nano' text editor because it's the simplest available. When it runs read the commands at the bottom to get an idea of how to save and exit. Ctrl + O will write the file. Ctrl + X will exit. Backup the conf file: $sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.oops.conf Edit it: $sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf Look for this pattern: Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" Driver "nvidia" Option "NoLogo" "True" EndSection The line Driver "nvidia" should be changed to: Driver "nv" Save the file and exit nano. (If you made a mistake you can replace xorg.conf with the backup you made.) Restart or $startx I hope that works.... these things are a little voodoo :D To troubleshoot - read through the error log: $cat ~/.xsession-errors There may be clues hidden in there. Post that log file if you are still stuck. \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From evandromyller at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 07:33:20 2009 From: evandromyller at gmail.com (Evandro Myller) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:33:20 -0300 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?jaunty_=C2=BB_karmic?= Message-ID: hello what is the best way to upgrade from a stable jaunty to the latest karmic release? i just changed the "jaunty"s in my sources.list to "karmic" and i'm running a dist-upgrade. right now it's downloading 1.4gb of packages. is that correct? can i proceed? thanks in advance. -- E. Myller Front-end engineer / architect http://emyller.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Evandro Myller wrote: > > hello > > > > what is the best way to upgrade from a stable jaunty to the latest > > karmic release? > > > > i just changed the "jaunty"s in my sources.list to "karmic" and i'm > > running a dist-upgrade. right now it's downloading 1.4gb of packages. > > > > is that correct? can i proceed? > > > what else what you possibly do at this point? ;-)) > > Eberhard > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- E. Myller Front-end engineer / architect http://emyller.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Aug 19 09:05:58 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:05:58 +0200 Subject: jaunty =?UTF-8?B?wrsga2FybWlj?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Evandro Myller wrote: > maybe cancel downloading and take the right way to do it (if it's not > the right one)? =P > thanks in advance. > > still downloading... > If you want to use Karmic, imho that is the way to do it. If you do not want to use karmic, better stop here.... Kind regards Eberhard From kassube at gmx.net Wed Aug 19 09:41:17 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:41:17 +0200 Subject: jaunty =?iso-8859-15?q?=BB?= karmic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908191141.17441.kassube@gmx.net> Evandro Myller wrote: > what is the best way to upgrade from a stable jaunty to the latest > karmic release? > > i just changed the "jaunty"s in my sources.list to "karmic" and i'm > running a dist-upgrade. right now it's downloading 1.4gb of packages. > > is that correct? can i proceed? I used "update-manager -c -d" without modifying sources.list myself. I don't know if it is really better but the "official" way for going from one release to the next is with update-manager. Nils From myriam at kubuntu.org Wed Aug 19 10:29:17 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:29:17 +0200 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_jaunty_=C2=BB_karmic?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/8/19 Evandro Myller : > hello > > what is the best way to upgrade from a stable jaunty to the latest karmic > release? > > i just changed the "jaunty"s in my sources.list to "karmic" and i'm running > a dist-upgrade. right now it's downloading 1.4gb of packages. > > is that correct? can i proceed? If you are well aware that Karmic is only in Alpha 4 stage and if you are comfortable with using a non-released and non-supported software that can break every other day, then yes, you can proceed . Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Wed Aug 19 11:00:50 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:00:50 -0400 Subject: Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package Message-ID: Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package OK So what should I use for secure ftp??? From info at alvin.be Wed Aug 19 11:43:24 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:43:24 +0200 Subject: Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908191343.28570.info@alvin.be> On Wednesday 19 August 2009 13:00:50 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package > > OK So what should I use for secure ftp??? The sftp kioslave of course! It's installed by default. Use Konqueror or Dolphin: sftp://yourserver You can make a permanent link to your sftp server: Dolphin -> Network -> Add Network Folder -> Secure shell (ssh) -> next... From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:47:31 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:47:31 +0200 Subject: Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package > > OK So what should I use for secure ftp??? Are you talking of setting up a server or using a client? sftp is in the openssh-client package and is a CLI ftp like program that using SSH to encrypt the connection. The SSH server is in the openssh-server package. If you looking for GUI client program I would recommend Filezilla. Filezilla support several FTP protocols like "FTP, FTP over SSL/TLS (FTPS) and SSH File Transfer Protocol (SFTP)". / Jonas From evandromyller at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 12:19:42 2009 From: evandromyller at gmail.com (Evandro Myller) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:19:42 -0300 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_jaunty_=C2=BB_karmic?= In-Reply-To: <200908191141.17441.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200908191141.17441.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: thank you people. i just heard that just changing sources.list is not as reliable as using update-manager -d for some reasons that I'm still not aware of them all. and yes, i know it's not supported/released yet. i'm starting to play around with pyqt-pykde, and i just want to test my stuff and, perhaps, contribute with something. =] On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Evandro Myller wrote: > > what is the best way to upgrade from a stable jaunty to the latest > > karmic release? > > > > i just changed the "jaunty"s in my sources.list to "karmic" and i'm > > running a dist-upgrade. right now it's downloading 1.4gb of packages. > > > > is that correct? can i proceed? > > I used "update-manager -c -d" without modifying sources.list myself. I > don't know if it is really better but the "official" way for going from > one release to the next is with update-manager. I ended up doing this. I haven't done before coz I was wondering if the upgrade could be successfully done without any GUI, but people on IRC told me to use update-manager. > > > > Nils > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- E. Myller Front-end engineer / architect http://emyller.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Aug 19 12:13:25 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:13:25 -0300 Subject: Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package References: Message-ID: <5s6tl6-skq.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook > wrote: >> Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package >> >> OK So what should I use for secure ftp??? > > Are you talking of setting up a server or using a client? sftp is in > the openssh-client package and is a CLI ftp like program that using > SSH to encrypt the connection. The SSH server is in the openssh-server > package. If you looking for GUI client program I would recommend > Filezilla. Filezilla support several FTP protocols like "FTP, FTP over > SSL/TLS (FTPS) and SSH File Transfer Protocol (SFTP)". But why bother installing filezilla when konqueror/dolphin & most other kde apps support sftp natively? -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Aug 19 12:14:14 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:14:14 -0300 Subject: jaunty =?UTF-8?B?wrs=?= karmic References: <200908191141.17441.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: Nils Kassube wrote: > Evandro Myller wrote: >> what is the best way to upgrade from a stable jaunty to the latest >> karmic release? >> >> i just changed the "jaunty"s in my sources.list to "karmic" and i'm >> running a dist-upgrade. right now it's downloading 1.4gb of packages. >> >> is that correct? can i proceed? > > I used "update-manager -c -d" without modifying sources.list myself. I > don't know if it is really better but the "official" way for going from > one release to the next is with update-manager. I didn't think that actually applied to pre-release versions? -- derek From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 13:45:47 2009 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:45:47 -0400 Subject: Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package In-Reply-To: <5s6tl6-skq.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> References: <5s6tl6-skq.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <4A8C020B.2080002@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook >> wrote: >>> Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package >>> >>> OK So what should I use for secure ftp??? >> Are you talking of setting up a server or using a client? sftp is in >> the openssh-client package and is a CLI ftp like program that using >> SSH to encrypt the connection. The SSH server is in the openssh-server >> package. If you looking for GUI client program I would recommend >> Filezilla. Filezilla support several FTP protocols like "FTP, FTP over >> SSL/TLS (FTPS) and SSH File Transfer Protocol (SFTP)". > > But why bother installing filezilla when konqueror/dolphin & most other kde > apps support sftp natively? I have Krusader installed and I use it to do SFTP. You set it up in one of the menus. Actually you don't really set up anything. You just enter the normal data you enter for SFTP. I found an interesting program called Woof. It sets up a temporary webserver. It's a Python program so all you have to enter is ./woof and it returns a URL. You can give that to someone else or you can use it on your other computer to download the file via HTTP. It appears to be a simple way to transfer a file or two between computers, no matter if they are a part of your network or just someone you wish to send a file to. http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/woof.html Etic From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 14:30:40 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:30:40 +0200 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_jaunty_=C2=BB_karmic?= In-Reply-To: References: <200908191141.17441.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: > and yes, i know it's not supported/released yet. i'm starting to play around > with pyqt-pykde, and i just want to test my stuff and, perhaps, contribute > with something. =] kick butt systems but I suggest you try the C version. With Creator is is really easier that the python version. Also a virtual system might be better. Then you can have a reliable system and then the alpha system on your computer at the same time or maybe duel booting. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From info at alvin.be Wed Aug 19 14:59:02 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:59:02 +0200 Subject: Choosing "Shared physical device" in virt-manager Message-ID: <200908191659.04271.info@alvin.be> Relevancy to Kubuntu: I want to run some virtual Ubuntu servers with kubuntu- desktop for XDMCP. There is no ubuntu-server-users mailinglist, so I'm asking here. The libvirt setup went fine. I was even able to define LVM storage pools and all. The only thing not going well is the bridged networking. Bridging on the host has to be configured manually, and it works. This is the proof (I disabled the default network): alvin at virthost02:~$ brctl show bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces br0 8000.00215a51b093 no eth0 'virthost02' is a clean, headless ubuntu-server. Using virt-manager over qemu+ssh on my Kubuntu workstation, I can create a new virtual machine, but I'm stuck at the "Connect to host network" window. It gives me two options: using the disabled default network, or a grayed out "Shared physical device" option. That one is the bridge, but it is not recognized by virt-manager (or libvirtd?). Is there someone who knows how I can make virt-manager see the bridge? From kassube at gmx.net Wed Aug 19 15:19:33 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:19:33 +0200 Subject: jaunty =?iso-8859-1?q?=BB?= karmic In-Reply-To: References: <200908191141.17441.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908191719.33188.kassube@gmx.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: > > I used "update-manager -c -d" without modifying sources.list > > myself. I don't know if it is really better but the "official" way > > for going from one release to the next is with update-manager. > > I didn't think that actually applied to pre-release versions? Good point. I don't really know if there is an official way for pre- release versions. Nils From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Wed Aug 19 15:49:19 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:49:19 +0300 Subject: jaunty =?UTF-8?B?wrsga2FybWlj?= In-Reply-To: <200908191719.33188.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200908191141.17441.kassube@gmx.net> <200908191719.33188.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4A8C1EFF.1090808@prayingforisrael.net> Nils Kassube wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Nils Kassube wrote: >>> I used "update-manager -c -d" without modifying sources.list >>> myself. I don't know if it is really better but the "official" way >>> for going from one release to the next is with update-manager. >> I didn't think that actually applied to pre-release versions? > > Good point. I don't really know if there is an official way for pre- > release versions. > > > Nils > > Taken from: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4 To upgrade from Ubuntu 9.04 on a desktop system, press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d" (without the quotes) into the command box. Update Manager should open up and tell you: New distribution release '9.10' is available. Click Upgrade and follow the on-screen instructions. Blessings, Nigel From phantom21 at mindspring.com Wed Aug 19 18:40:58 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:40:58 -0400 Subject: Kmail - how to resize columns In-Reply-To: <200908190824.02120.info@alvin.be> References: <200908181158.11907.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908190041.43266.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908190824.02120.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200908191440.59304.> On Wednesday 19 August 2009 02:24:00 am Alvin wrote: > On Wednesday 19 August 2009 06:41:42 Mark Halegua wrote: > > On Tuesday 18 August 2009 02:58:11 pm John L Vifian wrote: > > > On Tuesday 18 August 2009 10:28:02 am Mark Halegua wrote: > > > > Well, I tried the backport to 4.3, and it certainly made some > > > > changes. Still couldn't resize the columns, and on rebooting the > > > > system, the plasma said it couldn't do something, but couldn't give > > > > me details to send in. Now, the task bar doesn't appear and trying > > > > sudo apt-get update to try and fix it keeps telling me a pubkey isn't > > > > correct, and to use apt-get update to fix it, which it doesn't and > > > > keeps repeating the message. > > > > > > Rightclick on the desktop and choose add panel then right click on the > > > panel and add the appropriate widgets: "Application Launcher", "System > > > Tray", "Task Manger", "Trashcan", "Digital Clock", "Device Notifier" > > > and "Pager" to duplicate what I have. > > > > > > John Vifian > > > > Right-clicking on the desktop does nothing for me. The error I get says > > Plasma has crashed. When I try to do a backtrace, it won't saying the > > system may have been corrupted. > > > > Luckily I had my /home directory in a separate partition. I can install > > from scratch and it won't affect my mail, local apps, or settings. > > Putting your /home on a separate partition is thoughtful, but in this case, > I would first try to fix the installation. This isn't Microsoft Windows > where you reinstall for shortcuts with the wrong icons. > > The pubkey is asked here every other day. There is a link to the > instructions on the front page of http://www.kubuntu.org > > Useful links: > http://www.kubuntu.org/faq/PPA-keys > https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware > > Now, just try the following: > $ sudo apt-get update > $ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop > $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade Alvin, Thanks for the pointer to solving the pubkey issue. That has helped me get beyond the apt-get update issue. However, the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is still a problem and Plasma still crashes. It seems as if it won't install the 4.4.3 packages for kde, and only the 4.4.2 packages are installed. 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Filezilla support several FTP protocols like "FTP, FTP over >> SSL/TLS (FTPS) and SSH File Transfer Protocol (SFTP)". > > But why bother installing filezilla when konqueror/dolphin & most other kde > apps support sftp natively? If you need to do anything other then just plain transfer of some files with sftp you really need something better the dolphine, A real ftp client. For example, there is no way I know of in dolphine/KDE to set what kind of character coding the server uses, passive or active ftp or add files to a queue for later transfers and the lack of ftps support. Sooner or later you want to access some files on a server that don't work with dolphine so why not use a program that supports all this protocols? If you want a file manager with some network support I would also as Eric did, recommend Krusader, it supports the protocols KDE do and a lot of other features thats good to have when managing files. / Jonas From maxfreitag at ymail.com Wed Aug 19 20:03:22 2009 From: maxfreitag at ymail.com (Max Freitag) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:03:22 +0200 Subject: nvidia oss driver Message-ID: <200908192203.22474.maxfreitag@ymail.com> Hello, i've tryed to install a monitor with 1920x1200 pixel on a Asus P5N7A-VM mainboard with NVIDIA GeForce 9300. I tryed Kubuntu 9.04 with the binary nvidia driver and it works. Is it possible with this resolution to use the oss xserver-xorg-video-nv driver? I didn't get it to work. The display has always a lower resolution. xrandr says: Screen 1: minimum 640x480, current 1280x720, maximum 1280x720 thanks Max From evandromyller at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 02:59:25 2009 From: evandromyller at gmail.com (Evandro Myller) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:59:25 -0300 Subject: 3G with knetworkmanager Message-ID: Hello. I had to install KDE 3.5's knetworkmanager in my Kubuntu jaunty to get 3G working, its native network manager didn't work for me. Months later, after playing around with some PPAs, I found a new knetworkmanager (in kubuntu-experimental PPA) and installed it. I got joyful like I've never been before: the new knetworkmanager worked like a charm, and it was now integrated with KDE 4 network stuff. Some upgradings later, it just stopped working and I have to fallback to pon/poff to get the thing working. I'm on karmic now and it's still broken. Note: when KDE starts, it automatically connects using the networkmanagement settings, but knetworkmanager stays like if it's disconnected. Anyone got this problem too? Any workaround? Maybe there's a missing package here, dunno. -- E. Myller Front-end engineer / architect http://emyller.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mickrulist at voipfuture.com Thu Aug 20 04:37:58 2009 From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:37:58 +0200 Subject: 3G with knetworkmanager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8CD326.4020403@voipfuture.com> Hi, I had somewhat similar problems. The issue is that there are multiple choices if you search with apt for networkmanager. For kde4 there seem to be two options. There is the "old" network manager for plasma called: plasma-widget-networkmanagement which I believe I had installed but caused the bahavior you describe, meaning it did not connect to any network. I was able to setup WLAN connections with it, but it would not talk to the networkmanager backend to actually establish a connection. Then I found the second choice which actually worked for me: plasma-widget-network-manager The knetworkmanager is uninstalled and not in use. This is in KDE 4.3. I'm not sure, maybe it was something else I did, but my best bet is that you scan the options made available by the package manager and verify what you have installed. Michael Evandro Myller schrieb: > Hello. > > I had to install KDE 3.5's knetworkmanager in my Kubuntu jaunty to get > 3G working, its native network manager didn't work for me. Months later, > after playing around with some PPAs, I found a new knetworkmanager (in > kubuntu-experimental PPA) and installed it. > > I got joyful like I've never been before: the new knetworkmanager worked > like a charm, and it was now integrated with KDE 4 network stuff. Some > upgradings later, it just stopped working and I have to fallback to > pon/poff to get the thing working. I'm on karmic now and it's still broken. > > Note: when KDE starts, it automatically connects using the > networkmanagement settings, but knetworkmanager stays like if it's > disconnected. > > Anyone got this problem too? Any workaround? Maybe there's a missing > package here, dunno. > > -- > E. Myller > Front-end engineer / architect > http://emyller.net/ > From evandromyller at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 05:21:44 2009 From: evandromyller at gmail.com (Evandro Myller) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:21:44 -0300 Subject: 3G with knetworkmanager In-Reply-To: <4A8CD326.4020403@voipfuture.com> References: <4A8CD326.4020403@voipfuture.com> Message-ID: Actually, plasma-widget-network-manager depends on plasma-widget-networkmanagement I just ran a aptitude update some minutes ago and removed plasma-widget-networkmanagement with aptitude. It also removed plasma-widget-network-manager, saying it was broken and gave me a "solution": install the gnome network manager applet and the mobile network provider info: nm-* mobile-broadband-provider-info As I did in Gnome a long time ago, I ran nm-applet; For my surprise, gnome applets are now pretty integrated in KDE, with cool notifications and all that stuff. It's not connecting, though. After the connection was created I tried to connect, the modem gives connected signal but nm-applet stays "connecting". Well, falling back to pon/poff again. =P Please let me know about any thoughts/news. =] On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Michael Krueger wrote: > Hi, > > I had somewhat similar problems. The issue is that there are multiple > choices if > you search with apt for networkmanager. For kde4 there seem to be two > options. > There is the "old" network manager for plasma called: > plasma-widget-networkmanagement > which I believe I had installed but caused the bahavior you describe, > meaning it > did not connect to any network. I was able to setup WLAN connections with > it, > but it would not talk to the networkmanager backend to actually establish a > connection. Then I found the second choice which actually worked for me: > plasma-widget-network-manager > > The knetworkmanager is uninstalled and not in use. > > This is in KDE 4.3. I'm not sure, maybe it was something else I did, but my > best > bet is that you scan the options made available by the package manager and > verify what you have installed. > > Michael > > Evandro Myller schrieb: > > Hello. > > > > I had to install KDE 3.5's knetworkmanager in my Kubuntu jaunty to get > > 3G working, its native network manager didn't work for me. Months later, > > after playing around with some PPAs, I found a new knetworkmanager (in > > kubuntu-experimental PPA) and installed it. > > > > I got joyful like I've never been before: the new knetworkmanager worked > > like a charm, and it was now integrated with KDE 4 network stuff. Some > > upgradings later, it just stopped working and I have to fallback to > > pon/poff to get the thing working. I'm on karmic now and it's still > broken. > > > > Note: when KDE starts, it automatically connects using the > > networkmanagement settings, but knetworkmanager stays like if it's > > disconnected. > > > > Anyone got this problem too? Any workaround? Maybe there's a missing > > package here, dunno. > > > > -- > > E. Myller > > Front-end engineer / architect > > http://emyller.net/ > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- E. Myller Front-end engineer / architect http://emyller.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 20 12:51:41 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:51:41 -0300 Subject: jaunty =?UTF-8?B?wrs=?= karmic References: <200908191141.17441.kassube@gmx.net> <200908191719.33188.kassube@gmx.net> <4A8C1EFF.1090808@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: Nigel Ridley wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Nils Kassube wrote: >>>> I used "update-manager -c -d" without modifying sources.list >>>> myself. I don't know if it is really better but the "official" way >>>> for going from one release to the next is with update-manager. >>> I didn't think that actually applied to pre-release versions? >> >> Good point. I don't really know if there is an official way for pre- >> release versions. > > Taken from: > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4 > > To upgrade from Ubuntu 9.04 on a desktop system, press Alt+F2 and type in > "update-manager -d" (without the quotes) into the command box. Update > Manager should open up and tell you: New distribution release '9.10' is > available. Click Upgrade and follow the on-screen instructions. > Thanks for that. I don't know if my concern was ever really valid (I'm _fairly_ sure that some releases back update-manager officially didn't work on pre-release versions, but not absolutely certain), but clearly it isn't the case now. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 20 12:49:21 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:49:21 -0300 Subject: Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package References: <5s6tl6-skq.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> <4A8C020B.2080002@gmail.com> Message-ID: Eric wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Jonas Norlander wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook >>> wrote: >>>> Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package >>>> >>>> OK So what should I use for secure ftp??? >>> Are you talking of setting up a server or using a client? sftp is in >>> the openssh-client package and is a CLI ftp like program that using >>> SSH to encrypt the connection. The SSH server is in the openssh-server >>> package. If you looking for GUI client program I would recommend >>> Filezilla. Filezilla support several FTP protocols like "FTP, FTP over >>> SSL/TLS (FTPS) and SSH File Transfer Protocol (SFTP)". >> >> But why bother installing filezilla when konqueror/dolphin & most other >> kde apps support sftp natively? > > > I have Krusader installed and I use it to do SFTP. You set it up in one > of the menus. Actually you don't really set up anything. You just enter > the normal data you enter for SFTP. Sure, like I said - "most kde apps". -- derek From mickrulist at voipfuture.com Thu Aug 20 15:26:28 2009 From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:26:28 +0200 Subject: Dolphin not able to copy files with fish:// handler? Message-ID: <4A8D6B24.2080309@voipfuture.com> Hi, since the update to KDE 4.3 I'm no longer able to copy files from my machine to a remote server using dolphin and fish:// The other way around does work just fine. I can click on files and their are opened in kate etc. or I can copy them in dolphin to my local machine. However as soon as I click save in kate, or copy a file using dolphin to the remote server I get an error message telling me that the connection was lost. The file on the remote system however was at that point already truncated to 0 bytes and is useless from that point in time. Make sure you realize this before you lose the original file on your machine as well. Any suggestion how to debug this? I used midnight commander with a ssh connection and it worked perfect without problems. So the problem isn't related to the remote machine nor is it to dolphin or kate I guess. It's the io handler for fish I would guess. Regards, Michael From vinces1979 at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 15:33:59 2009 From: vinces1979 at gmail.com (vince spicer) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:33:59 -0600 Subject: Dolphin not able to copy files with fish:// handler? In-Reply-To: <4A8D6B24.2080309@voipfuture.com> References: <4A8D6B24.2080309@voipfuture.com> Message-ID: <1e53c510908200833h6c9bbfadu9d984614dff0a78d@mail.gmail.com> Although I don't know why this is happening, my fish:// has also been losing connections the sftp:// protocol seem to be working fine in dolphin as an alternative. Vince On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Michael Krueger wrote: > Hi, > > since the update to KDE 4.3 I'm no longer able to copy files from my > machine to > a remote server using dolphin and fish:// > > The other way around does work just fine. I can click on files and their > are > opened in kate etc. or I can copy them in dolphin to my local machine. > However > as soon as I click save in kate, or copy a file using dolphin to the remote > server I get an error message telling me that the connection was lost. The > file > on the remote system however was at that point already truncated to 0 bytes > and > is useless from that point in time. Make sure you realize this before you > lose > the original file on your machine as well. > > Any suggestion how to debug this? > > I used midnight commander with a ssh connection and it worked perfect > without > problems. So the problem isn't related to the remote machine nor is it to > dolphin or kate I guess. It's the io handler for fish I would guess. > > Regards, > Michael > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 16:30:31 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:30:31 -0400 Subject: How do I use the notification from a bug report I reported? Message-ID: <200908201230.31893.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> I received this after providing a bug report. It appears to be a resolved bug. Now that it is resolved, what do I do to get kmail back? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204176 Christophe Giboudeaux changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution| |DUPLICATE --- Comment #1 from Christophe Giboudeaux 2009-08-17 16:14:27 --- *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 185321 *** When I read this, I do not understand what I am supposed to do. Thanks for help! Steven From vinces1979 at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 16:36:51 2009 From: vinces1979 at gmail.com (vince spicer) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:36:51 -0600 Subject: How do I use the notification from a bug report I reported? In-Reply-To: <200908201230.31893.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908201230.31893.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1e53c510908200936i55b7c5d0v23aab83fe4f9ef5c@mail.gmail.com> The bug report is marking your ticket as duplicate and not marking it fix as a duplicate bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185321 already existed. that bug has not been resolved, once the bug is resolved you would have to compile the source of wait for a new package to be push into the repos On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Steven Vollom wrote: > I received this after providing a bug report. It appears to be a resolved > bug. Now that it is resolved, what do I do to get kmail back? > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204176 > > > Christophe Giboudeaux changed: > > What |Removed |Added > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED > Resolution| |DUPLICATE > > > > > --- Comment #1 from Christophe Giboudeaux > 2009-08-17 > 16:14:27 --- > > > *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 185321 *** > > When I read this, I do not understand what I am supposed to do. Thanks for > help! > > Steven > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 16:42:22 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:42:22 -0400 Subject: notebook (was: Re: sane) In-Reply-To: <4A8858E6.4010901@gmx.de> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141741.19855.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A8858E6.4010901@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200908201242.22588.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim Thanks Eberhard. This is an issue where people usually think I am lazy or stupid. I am used to chastisement as a result. Thanks for taking me seriously. I will try and use basket. I hope it works for me, it would be a blessing. Steven From mmtsales at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 16:47:06 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:47:06 -0300 Subject: How do I use the notification from a bug report I reported? In-Reply-To: <200908201230.31893.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908201230.31893.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908201347.06396.mmtsales@gmail.com> Em Quinta-feira 20 Agosto 2009, Steven Vollom escreveu: > I received this after providing a bug report. It appears to be a > resolved bug. Now that it is resolved, what do I do to get kmail > back? > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204176 > > > Christophe Giboudeaux changed: > > What |Removed |Added > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED > Resolution| |DUPLICATE > > > > > --- Comment #1 from Christophe Giboudeaux > 2009-08-17 16:14:27 --- > > > *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 185321 *** > > When I read this, I do not understand what I am supposed to do. > Thanks for help! Steven, This message means that the behavior you have described in your report was considered to be the same described in an earlier bug report, in this case bug #185321. Because of that, yours was marked as "resolved", in spite it has not been really resolved yet. This is done to avoid the proliferation of bug reports on a single problem, which would make it difficult for the developers to keep focus. You should read that earlier bug report. If you agree it deals indeed with the same problem you have reported, simply subscribe to that bug and keep an eye on it to be informed when the problem is fixed. If you do not agree your bug is a duplicate, add a comment to your own bug report, explaining why you think it is about a different problem and asking for it to be reopened. []'s Marcelo From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 16:50:28 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:50:28 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <4A884073.3050709@swbell.net> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4A884073.3050709@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908201250.28421.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 16 August 2009 01:22:59 pm Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Goh Lip wrote: > > clay weber wrote: > >> Steven Vollom wrote: > >>> I got an error message sending failed smtp.att.yahoo.com. > > > > First, I haven't use kmail for some time, but just try this out. > > Unless you have a yahoo email and have set smtp for this some time back, > > you shouldn't have a yahoo account added by any kubuntu update or > > upgrade. > > > > Go to Kmail setting--->configure kmail--->Accounts (left hand > > button)---> sending (top button)---> > > > > see if there is any yahoo smtp entry. If you dont use it, delete > > (remove) it. > > > > Done. (hopefully) > > > >> clay weber (a.k.a Phil Connors ;) ) > >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107048/ > > > > Clay (Phil), thanks for your footnote. Understood clearly now Phil! > > Can totally relate to the situation at hand. But I think Donn has > > someone else in mind for Phil. ;) > > Obviously, I don't see much movies, I knew Groundhog Day is some > > superstitious event by the US president but I didn't relate it to the > > movie. > > All ATT mail accounts are through Yahoo Mail. My smtp account is 'smtp.att.yahoo.com'. I do not use the provided Yahoo account provided by the ISP, nonetheless, this address has worked for four years + for me and is the only address they provide for my account. It first happened when ATT became owner. I have worked through other kmail and Thunderbird problems and after fixing the problems kmail worked fine, and it always had the address smtp.att.yahoo.com - before, after and still. Any other ideas? Thanks! Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 17:02:53 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:02:53 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908161032.24641.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161032.24641.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908201302.53557.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 16 August 2009 01:32:24 pm John L Vifian wrote: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:18:00 am Goh Lip wrote: > > Go to Kmail setting--->configure kmail--->Accounts (left hand > > button)---> sending (top button)---> > > > > see if there is any yahoo smtp entry. If you dont use it, delete > > (remove) it. > > The mail server that Steven uses to send mail through seems to be somehow > attached to yahoo. > > From the email that started this thread: > > Received: from unknown (HELO yeshua.localnet) (stevenvollom at 76.250.189.87 > with plain) > by smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2009 19:42:39 -0000 > > it would be likely that the error message that he got was a temporary thing > since he was able to send to this list. > > > John Vifian Dear John, I am apprehensive to mention this, because everyone seems adamant about me not using Karmic, but I am writing and answering emails using my old computer and have Karmic installed on it. What is so unusual to me about this problem is that the browser works fine while I receive the error message from Kmail. I have even sent responses to certain companies from websites that provide their email service. I am able to update and upgrade too, so my connection to the ISP is working fine. My problem is exclusively with kmail, and it happened the day that I made the 8 item update that comes via kpackagekit. Additionally, I have item by item checked kmail configuration, so I am quite sure it is not a configuration problem. I have been avoiding setting up a network, because I am so dense in that area, but I think I will have to do that to make things more workable. Every time I want to send and receive emails, I have to disconnect and reconnect cables, and getting up and down is not so easy anymore. Thanks for the continued help. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 17:11:11 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:11:11 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908161337.52025.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161032.24641.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908161337.52025.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200908201311.11092.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 16 August 2009 01:37:51 pm David McGlone wrote: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 01:32:24 pm John L Vifian wrote: > > On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:18:00 am Goh Lip wrote: > > > Go to Kmail setting--->configure kmail--->Accounts (left hand > > > button)---> sending (top button)---> > > > > > > see if there is any yahoo smtp entry. If you dont use it, delete > > > (remove) it. > > > > The mail server that Steven uses to send mail through seems to > > be somehow > > > attached to yahoo. > > > > >From the email that started this thread: > > > > Received: from unknown (HELO yeshua.localnet) > > (stevenvollom at 76.250.189.87 > > > with plain) > > by smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2009 > > 19:42:39 -0000 > > > it would be likely that the error message that he got was a > > temporary thing > > > since he was able to send to this list. > > Not trying to sound mean here but, Steven has made the comment > he has set up the live CD 50 million times, to send and receive > mail. What makes this situation any different? Because I got the system working perfectly again. It worked normally using kmail and only stopped after that last update. Perhaps it was not created by the update, but that is the only thing that happened at the beginning of the problem, and that seemed relevant. Quite frankly the computer works well excepting for the email problem. I have updated and upgraded several times since the problem happened, so it doesn't seem to be repaired like the bug report indicated. I posted the bug report reply notification today. I don't know what to do with the information and wanted help with that too. It appeared that my kmail problem was a duplicate that had been fixed, but it still doesn't work on my box and was not included in any update that I received. I just now checked to make sure. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 17:22:57 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:22:57 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908161158.53963.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161337.52025.david@dmcentral.net> <200908161158.53963.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908201322.57218.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 16 August 2009 02:58:53 pm John L Vifian wrote: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:37:51 am David McGlone wrote: > > Not trying to sound mean here but, Steven has made the comment > > he has set up the live CD 50 million times, to send and receive > > mail. What makes this situation any different? > > Well you would think that he would use the same smtp server on his live CD > setup as he uses on his installed version so it shouldn't make any > difference. Since he sent his last message through a yahoo smtp server it > would seem the server settings are valid, and the settings on his computer > shouldn't have changed in an update which he claims to have done. > > Googling a bit it would appear that the server he shows is correct, and in > my small amount of testing this is not the error you get with an incorrect > authentication method, port or encryption, so to me it seems likely to be a > temporary server problem. Course I could be wrong, or some other useful > detail was left out of his email. > > John Vifian Dear John, I am answering this from my Karmic box, but through the self same connection to the ISP. It is working fine on this box, so I too don't think it a configuration problem. If the kmail package was somehow defective, wouldn't 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' correct the defect. I tried, but it did not help. I have also run sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude safe-upgrade without improvement. At this point I am at the end of what I believe to be right. I have been helped before, but have never been able to put the instructions to a successful conclusion, but when attempting to save emails and stuff from kmail, I have usually lost the data when I reinstalled. I have so many important emails this time, I just don't want to lose them, or I would remove kmail and re-install it. I am pretty sure that would work, but I am trying to avoid the hassle of rebuilding my addressbook and lost data from lost emails, I have been trying to fix what went wrong. Thanks for continuing to try to help. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 17:26:11 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:26:11 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161158.53963.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908201326.11497.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 16 August 2009 04:27:01 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > John L Vifian wrote: > > On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:37:51 am David McGlone wrote: > >> Not trying to sound mean here but, Steven has made the comment > >> he has set up the live CD 50 million times, to send and receive > >> mail. What makes this situation any different? > > > > Well you would think that he would use the same smtp server on his live > > CD setup as he uses on his installed version so it shouldn't make any > > difference. Since he sent his last message through a yahoo smtp server it > > would seem the server settings are valid, and the settings on his > > computer shouldn't have changed in an update which he claims to have > > done. > > > > Googling a bit it would appear that the server he shows is correct, and > > in my small amount of testing this is not the error you get with an > > incorrect authentication method, port or encryption, so to me it seems > > likely to be a > > temporary server problem. Course I could be wrong, or some other useful > > detail was left out of his email. > > Possibly all of the above :-) But I balk when seeing a line like: > >> Received: from unknown (HELO yeshua.localnet) > >> (stevenvollom at 76.250.189.87 > > with > > That sure looks to me like Steven is using a local smtp, which is operating > in smarthost mode (and giving an improper HELO, at that - really, your > system should identify with a genuine FQDN, and not *.localnet) forwarding > to yahoo. Dear Derek, I simply don't know enough to respond. You are talking over my head. Nonetheless, I have had these settings for most of 5 years now. The ISP is not helpful in these matters, because of the fact that I use LINUX which they do not provide help. And, my settings are the same on this computer; they work here. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 17:27:23 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:27:23 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <4A8870F2.9010608@swbell.net> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161158.53963.jongleur@liripipe.com> <4A8870F2.9010608@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908201327.23961.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 16 August 2009 04:49:54 pm Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > John L Vifian wrote: > > On Sunday 16 August 2009 10:37:51 am David McGlone wrote: > >> Not trying to sound mean here but, Steven has made the comment > >> he has set up the live CD 50 million times, to send and receive > >> mail. What makes this situation any different? > > > > Well you would think that he would use the same smtp server on his live > > CD setup as he uses on his installed version so it shouldn't make any > > difference. Since he sent his last message through a yahoo smtp server it > > would seem the server settings are valid, and the settings on his > > computer shouldn't have changed in an update which he claims to have > > done. > > > > Googling a bit it would appear that the server he shows is correct, and > > in my small amount of testing this is not the error you get with an > > incorrect authentication method, port or encryption, so to me it seems > > likely to be a temporary server problem. Course I could be wrong, or > > some other useful detail was left out of his email. > > > > John Vifian > > Incoming for ATT is: pop.att.yahoo.com with SSL > Outgoing is: smtp.att.yahoo.com no security > > user name both directions is full email address and password is whatever > password you use. > > I had an issue with my laptop for a short time in Thunderbird because it > named my ouitgoing connection. As soon as I removed the connection name > it worked just fine. This is the way it is with my computers too. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 17:28:28 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:28:28 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908170025.18542.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908170025.18542.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200908201328.28103.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 16 August 2009 06:25:18 pm Nils Kassube wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > > Possibly all of the above :-) But I balk when seeing a line like: > > >> Received: from unknown (HELO yeshua.localnet) > > >> (stevenvollom at 76.250.189.87 > > > > That sure looks to me like Steven is using a local smtp, which is > > operating in smarthost mode (and giving an improper HELO, at that - > > really, your system should identify with a genuine FQDN, and not > > *.localnet) forwarding to yahoo. > > No, it is not from a local smtp but from Kmail. You should see a similar > header in my message. Kmail uses $HOSTNAME.localnet as default but you > can change it in the settings. > > > Nils Would that fix the problem, Nils? Just tell me what to do, please. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 17:40:46 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:40:46 -0400 Subject: E: Malformed line 62 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. In-Reply-To: References: <200908101830.20041.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908131527.32657.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908201340.46926.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 15 August 2009 04:04:52 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > >> also Windows might be a good solution here. > >> I cannot remember that I ever had to do such things on windows. > >> > >> Eberhard > > > > Don't give up on me Eberhard, I am still making headway. Each time I run > > into a loggerhead like this one, the solution comes. It just takes time; > > I am still learning and having fun. Windows will never become an > > option. I will trash and burn my computer first. > > > > Steven > > Steven, > > no need to worry, I will never give you up. Nevertheless > windows nowadays is no reason to burn a computer anymore. > > It simply works and does the job, just as linux does. > > Eberhard In the past, I was cheated by them so many times, that I just do not want to contribute a penny to their future. Every time I try to help a Windows friend with his computer, I am reminded of many of the reasons I do not want to use them that is totally separate from the fact that they stole from me and abused me to the point of washing my hands of them forever. I don't talk of my experiences openly, because it just seems to fill the airwaves with anger, but without joining in that discussion, I will never pay money for anything Microsoft makes a profit on. If I did, my word would be meaningless. Of course, there are people who think I exaggerate or mislead when I write, but if that ever happens by what I have written, it is either a mistake or a misunderstanding, not willful misrepresentation. You are someone who I care for almost enough to compromise, but I don't think I could unless it could really benefit you. Keeping my word is important to me. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 17:51:19 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:51:19 -0400 Subject: Nvidia 9600? In-Reply-To: <200908151151.26984.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> References: <200908151151.26984.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <200908201351.19441.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 15 August 2009 11:51:26 am Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: > I've used three Nvidia cards in various builds and have had only little > problems with any of them. The first one was an old 5600 LS (??), an 8800 > GTS, and currently a GTX 260. The only headache I had was when I put the > GTX 260 in Kubuntu 8.04, the driver that made it work was not packaged for > Hardy, I did not feel like bashing my head against the wall with a manual > install. Since the entire Nvidia 9 series is really just the 8 series on > steroids, I would take a guess that it will work like a charm. I never had > any problems with my 8800. It's currently in my kid's machine and he is > happily playing Spore, extreme Tux racer, etc. I'm pretty sure it's using > the 180 driver. > > Alan > > On Thursday 13 August 2009 01:55:59 am Knapp wrote: > > I am looking at upgrading from an Nvidia 7600 gs to a Nvidia 9600 gt. > > Does it work well with Linux? Is it worth the money? Is there a better > > pick? I prefer silent or passively cooled cards. The 7600 was a terror > > in the noise department until I found i could just unplug the fan > > without heat problems (has been unplugged for 3 years, NP). My hardest > > use of the card in with sculpting in Blender3d. Right now it is a bit > > slow when I get above 300,000 verts. > > > > AMD 64 x2 on the slow end of them. Can't remember the exact speed right > > now. I have an AMD 64 x 4 and a 9600 GForce nVidia card that works great. I don't know what you are spending, but I found prices quite low recently. I also have onboard 9400 nVidia GForce that works with the newer card. It also works great other than it does not have OpenGL and that is required for Jaunty Desktop Effects to work properly. But when I went from default settings to the proper drivers, the video went from very good to WOW. There was that much improvement. I forget the number, but the 180 + drivers really made a difference to 3D effects and color in general. Steven From kassube at gmx.net Thu Aug 20 19:02:57 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:02:57 +0200 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908201328.28103.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908170025.18542.kassube@gmx.net> <200908201328.28103.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908202102.58063.kassube@gmx.net> Steven Vollom wrote: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 06:25:18 pm Nils Kassube wrote: > > Derek Broughton wrote: > > > Possibly all of the above :-) But I balk when seeing a line like: > > > >> Received: from unknown (HELO yeshua.localnet) > > > >> (stevenvollom at 76.250.189.87 > > > > > > That sure looks to me like Steven is using a local smtp, which is > > > operating in smarthost mode (and giving an improper HELO, at that > > > - really, your system should identify with a genuine FQDN, and > > > not *.localnet) forwarding to yahoo. > > > > No, it is not from a local smtp but from Kmail. You should see a > > similar header in my message. Kmail uses $HOSTNAME.localnet as > > default but you can change it in the settings. > > Would that fix the problem, Nils? Just tell me what to do, please. Oh well, actually I'm not sure what your current problem of this thread is. There have been so many replies with suggestions that I can't tell what is left. Probably you want to know if it would help to change the hostname used for the HELO command but I don't know the answer. I have 3 different email providers and none of them complains about the hostname. But I don't know what settings your provider may not like. OTOH if you never changed this specific setting with your previous installations and it has worked before, then it is unlikely that you should change anything here. If you can't send mails it is usually a wrong server, wrong password or wrong security settings (authentication and / or encryption). Nils From myriam at kubuntu.org Thu Aug 20 22:19:41 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:19:41 +0200 Subject: How do I use the notification from a bug report I reported? In-Reply-To: <200908201347.06396.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200908201230.31893.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908201347.06396.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 18:47, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > ... > You should read that earlier bug report. If you agree it deals indeed > with the same problem you have reported, simply subscribe to that bug > and keep an eye on it to be informed when the problem is fixed. No need to subscribe, as the people subscribed to a bug marked as a duplicate are automatically subscribed to the original one by bugzilla (which is the bug tracking system aka BTS used by KDE). Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From jongleur at liripipe.com Thu Aug 20 22:39:55 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:39:55 -0700 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908201302.53557.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908161032.24641.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908201302.53557.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908201539.55306.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Thursday 20 August 2009 10:02:53 am Steven Vollom wrote: > I am apprehensive to mention this, because everyone seems adamant about me > not using Karmic, but I am writing and answering emails using my old > computer and have Karmic installed on it. > > What is so unusual to me about this problem is that the browser works fine > while I receive the error message from Kmail. I have even sent responses > to certain companies from websites that provide their email service. I am > able to update and upgrade too, so my connection to the ISP is working > fine. My problem is exclusively with kmail, and it happened the day that I > made the 8 item update that comes via kpackagekit. > > Additionally, I have item by item checked kmail configuration, so I am > quite sure it is not a configuration problem. I have been avoiding setting > up a network, because I am so dense in that area, but I think I will have > to do that to make things more workable. Every time I want to send and > receive emails, I have to disconnect and reconnect cables, and getting up > and down is not so easy anymore. Thanks for the continued help. Following your bug report post, I see that you are not receiving email as well as not being able to send it, and that this occurred after installing 8 updates on 8/17. Did you install or configure any other software at that time? Are you running any sort of firewall program? Earlier you had intended to install moblock. Did you get that working? If you did try turning it off (or any other firewall that you have running) and see if you can get and receive mail. Do you know what the 8 updates were for? If not you can run: cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep 2009-08-17 to see what you changed on 8/17. Or you can open the file in kate and look at the lines dated 2009-08-17 -- you don't need to use sudo or kdesuo in either case. John Vifian -- It's impossible to experience one's death objectively and still carry a tune. Woody Allen From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 23:10:45 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:10:45 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908141957.04223.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141853.43709.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141957.04223.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <200908201910.45892.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> (Trimmed) Dear Bruce, You make it difficult to respond. However, if I am frustrating you or anyone. Please don't respond to my posts. You align yourself with many kind people, when you include yourself to the list. I don't see any of that in you. I have been confronted with know-it- alls most of my life. You are probably even smarter than you say, but the only thing I seem to get from you is rude and disrespectful words. I could probably have used my scanner by now, if you had used the same time helping. But after your last two emails, there is nothing you know that I want to learn from you. I could not accept any kind of gift from you, especially the gift of knowledge. And unless the membership is a lie, and I don't believe so, I will get sufficient help from others. I suppose if they are like you, and I have misunderstood their good and kind intentions, I won't get help at all. But I don't believe that. Perhaps you should go out and grease the tip of an old woman's cane, or kick a small dog or something more suited to your personality. Normally I would have sent my reply to your bmacasuru at fastmail.us., but because I have less than no respect for you, I will reply through the list. Additionally, if the other members of the list choose to align themselves with your arrogance, I want them to know how I receive your advice. I also want them to know that if they are more like you than they are like me, I don't want their help either. Sincerely, (I just added the sincerely, because I wanted to emphasize that I really mean what I have written. I am not angry at all; it is just fair for everyone reading this trash to know how I feel about the quality of your advice. You have made your views quite clear. Earlier in life, I would have sought you out and spanked your bare butt. Any place in the United States is close enough for that.) Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 23:13:22 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:13:22 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908150955.04013.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141857.36989.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908150955.04013.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908201913.22291.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 15 August 2009 03:55:03 am Donn wrote: > On Saturday 15 August 2009 01:57:36 Bruce MacArthur wrote: > > So I respectfully request that YOU determine whether or not you will > > be working WITH us (rather than ON us). If you will work with us, if > > you will "take your medicine"), EXCELLENT. But, if you want to present > > yourself as a stubborn child, please do not expect many answers. > > Remember that nobody here has put you in your present condition! > > Spot on. Thanks for that, I hope he reads it through in the right spirit. > > \d What a fraud you are Donn. Join Bruce in all your future help. I would rather fail at my goal that learn from either of you. Character is not something either of you can brag about. Steven From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 00:33:13 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:33:13 +0700 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908201913.22291.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141857.36989.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908150955.04013.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908201913.22291.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <9844155d0908201733w6908e57ehc5cd1b35377e0dab@mail.gmail.com> I understand sometimes problems are frustrating for both sides. I have experienced it before. What I suggest is the one try to help to push yourself further: "Make a simple script" so that it could be copied and pasted in terminal or downloaded and clicked to run. In this way, you will have to learn new things every time, or just pull the old script of it is the same problem. This method give us a couple of benefit: 1. The one helping would almost always learn new thing (scripting) 2. The one having problem would not need to do a lengthy steps (most users just want their problem solved and use their computer) 3. Both save time and use the time productively. 4. If users want to learns more, you could explain what the script does. One example is e-Sword installer. I have been maintaining manual version for over a year and I realize sometime people could not follow a very simple instruction. So, I learn scripting and made a e-Sword-installer script. After a while, I realize even with this script people are having difficulties i.e ignore dependency of the script. So, I learn to make a deb package that would check and install dependency automatically. DK From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 21 01:10:28 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:10:28 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141853.43709.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908202110.28579.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Saturday 15 August 2009 12:37:12 pm John L Vifian wrote: Trim > > Some of the things you have had the opportunity to learn in the last bout > of emails are:It is not a response of anger, just my opinion > > The difference in left and right clicking a file in dolphin Thank you I do this now. > what 'less' is and how to use it in a rudimentary fashion I have tried to use less, but it never has provided me with anything I can understand. > How to turn line numbers on in 'less' But I could not understand the less nor when or how to use it. > How to turn line numbers on in kate I do that and am very grateful, it helps a lot. > when to use sudo and when to use kdesudo I believe I use them properly now. > how to search this list's archives with google I don't think I will ever be able to do that about computer issues. I haven't given up, I try every day. I get diverted by links, and don't seem to know when to apply the link or not. If you click on every link in an explanation and every link in every link from the initial page you go to, there become more links than there is time to read them. I have not yet figured out how you do that task. Certainly you can't follow them all; there is always new links in the next page. Almost every time I search a topic, the first thing done in perhaps the first sentence is a link to something to read before continuing with the page that is supposed to teach you what you need to know. When I click on the link, in or close to the first sentence there is a link to something else. In both cases there are many links in the lines that follow. I become confused very fast. > what the command cd does I change directory when I remember it is needed. Using the command line is a very new thing for me. I don't get enough practice. > what a path is I know what a path is and use it all the time. > what happens when you open kate with a non-existent file name I may understand this now, but it is new memory. > what happens when you run less with a non-existent file name I still don't understand the use of less. And after you read Bruce's last two emails, you might understand how difficult it is to re-ask a question. Apparently I am required to understand the first explanation. So what do you do if you still don't understand? > > you should be able to open a file in a different directory with less or > kate. For instance there is a file named dpkg.log which is in the 'log' > directory which in turn is in the 'var' directory. Is there a way to trace a path going backward? How? > You should be able to > construct a command line to open it using both less and kate. Try it. > Note you don't need to use either kdesudo or sudo and shouldn't. I am confident I can now do that in kate, but it is new understanding. I still don't understand less. If I am correct, I only need to use kdesudo or sudo in kate or dolphin is if I want to make changes. I can read the data. In the past, I have read documents using the word processor. That I have used a lot. Kate is something very new to me. I still don't understand less. When I read the help on it, I became more confused. > > This is all very basic stuff, and you need to figure out a way to make it > understandable to yourself > > > He said open kmail and type 's' and then what I want and it would locate > > what I need from my email records. That would be great if I knew where > > in the kmail application I type the command in. Now that I have found how to use the 's' instruction, sure, I feel a bit stupid, but when it was first explained, I had not yet used the search line in the kmail opening page. Additionally it sounded like a command line instruction. It never occurred to me that by simply pressing the 's' on the keyboard it would or even should open a window. I have made enough mistakes and been warned enough to be careful when you type a command. Perhaps there are other times I have typed a letter command without needing to type it in a search line or command line, or any place, then hit enter to get the result. When I got the 's' to work, it was an exciting surprise and made me laugh. I was very happy. I realize now that I have been through some pretty advanced procedures with your help. When I learn that this stuff is beginning information, I amaze myself for what I have done. > > You don't type it in anything. The one caveat being that if you have more > than one window open in kmail that the active window has to be the one > showing your mail folders. Just type 's'. > > You can also do the same by clicking "Edit" in the menubar and then > clicking "Find Messages..." I found Find, but not Find Messages. It is new for me. I will experiment. Thanks! > or you can use the icon with the binoculars I couldn't find any Binoculars; is it on the kmail open window? > which for me is on the same line is the existing search field. > > > When I typed in the word 's kdesudo' in the search line and pressed > > enter, your email came up. I was expecting to see an email that > > contained the word kdesudo. I know there are some in my saved emails. > > That is an example of how I would like to use the search bar. Can it be > > set up to do as I prefer? So you understand, I was not trying to enter the command kdesudo, I was trying to search for the things in the folders that talked about kdesudo. I wanted to confirm what I knew or should know about kdesudo. I realize now that when you don't have a folder highlighted, the 's' instruction does nothing. Before I typed kdesudo in the search line, and I was interpreting the term search like I could search the folders, I typed in an 's' and pressed enter. Nothing happened that led to what I would have expected. Kdesudo was my second try for information. I am way ahead of thousands of silent people unwilling to be called stubborn or stupid by asking dumb questions. But I will bet that most of those who need the list are not using it for the embarrassment they will have to endure. You are around knowledgeable computer people. I am around people who want to learn how to send an email, or find the answer to a question. They would love to do what I am doing, but don't want to experience the rudeness of Bruce. > > To my knowledge the search field only searches the subject line of the > emails in the current folder, and can't be configured to do otherwise. It > also has the annoying habit of opening the current email in a new window > regardless if it matches the search. All of you who know my reputation on the list are probably unaware how far I am from basic information, just because I have tackled many complicated tasks, with an enormous amount of help, I agree, but I, like one of you has said, have built my own computer since getting on the list. I have installed numerous applications using the CLI. When I started, I did not know how to even open a shell or know the many different terms used for naming it. And if you paid any attention at all to my description of the use of Google, there are millions of people who are confused about when to go on the link as opposed to continuing reading the page for your answer. There is no end to the links to follow in the first line or two of any link. If you read all the links on the first line of a page, you will never be able to get to the second link of any page either, then the third. There isn't enough years in a lifetime to get to the end. For the life of me, I don't know how you do that, other than you know what the link is about and don't need to divert. For me and so many others every link is something new, so you can never get to the end of the transfers. > > >... Eventually I get > > it, your way too, it just takes a lot longer with a lot of repetition. > > In reality, if you bang on a square peg enough times, eventually the > > corners will come off and it will fit in a round hole. > > Steven do you learn by doing? Do you learn by observation? Are you > willing to spend time learning things even if you don't immediately see any > useful application of the stuff you are learning? Would you be interested > in some sort of tutoring? Absolutely, that is about the only way I can learn. That is how I have learned the little I know. As Bruce would say, it takes 25 times for me to learn. Well that is an exaggeration, but without instruction that you understand, it takes repetition, so your mind can grasp what must be happening when you do the work. If, for instance, there had been practical need for me to remember and understand how to change directories using cd, the activity would have settled in, but until I understood that cd stood for change directory and that there was a difference between the term directory, folder and file, it was just something I did, because someone told me to do it. An inexperienced person sees a manila folder in his mind when any of the three terms are used, until he understands their function. My daughter uses a computer daily. She has a very important job. But they use Windows. She knows how to get what she wants and needs and yet only understands a small part of what I have learned. I crave what you offered. When I search a thing like cd, it is explaining how to change directories when I didn't have the foggiest understanding of what I was changing. When I learned to understand cd, I had installed an application called avimerge. I had to learn how to cd, just to put the pieces together. When I understood that -o meant output and -i meant input, I no longer forgot the necessary command to merge avi's. When I learned that there could be no spaces between the letters of a command, excepting you put the words in quotes, I learned how that must be done, and the space that is necessary between the quotes separating two quotes. But when I really learned, and after several edits in the command, was when the numbers started flying. When that happened, I laughed for more than 5 minutes, and that is a lot of joy. With the little I know about computers I can make the commands for merging and splitting without thinking. When I install Jaunty, there is but a brief pause when the Sun agreement comes up. For a while it was experimenting to get the right item highlighted and approved, but after about a hundred installations it gets pretty rote. Same with kmail. Wget is one thing I am still confused about, but I have used it several times by cut and pasting. I am sure in time I will understand it too. When I was editing this email, I got the inclination to include the previous paragraph. To read for better understanding, take a look at the last line of the second paragraph above. It should have continued from there.------ Sometimes it appeared to be a folder, sometimes it appeared to be a file. No distinction came early enough in training to keep me from looking like a fool when already I have installed applications or packages or programs, all that I had to learn about, when all were programs in windows. Repaired broken applications, reinstalled the OS. And right now with my limited knowledge, I have a reasonably stable copy of Karmic working on this computer and can install Jaunty on my newer computer in just 14 minutes including installing the necessary updates. I can configure kmail as fast as any other human, I have done it so many times, but it is broken right now, and the only solution I know is to reinstall it. The ISP is working properly and configuration is perfect, but the computer will not communicate with the ISP. And although it has been explained before, I do not know which files and folders to save so that I won't lose my emails if I reinstall or my folders which are more important to me, or my addressbook. If and when I ask for help on this issue, I will probably annoy a very good friend, Goh Lip who walked me through it and Eberhard too. I am so sorry, but I lost my records in one of the reinstalls and will have to try the archives for the list, to see if I can avoid re-asking the questions. And Bruce, who shouldn't be wasting his time on my posts will probably there with a two page scathing. The last time I needed to use kate to edit the sources I was able to correct the problem, but quite frankly was experimenting a bit when I knew it was dangerous, because I was in sudo, and corrected the mistake by comparing the line with the error, to other lines in the list. I didn't know if I could delete anything without screwing things up. I didn't know if removing the '>' that was all it took to fix the problem or would cause permanent damage to the application. I just gambled and removed it. Shortly after I did that, I got a reply to an email where I showed line 58, which I might add changed from the original line 62 when the problem first surfaced. It wasn't until today that I realized that the sources.list was the same as the kpackagekit GUI version of the same directory or folder, I am still not sure which it is, directory or folder. You have no idea how many people there are in worse condition than me and want to change that situation. How many of you would want to be openly embarrassed like I was with Bruce? How many of you would even ask a basic question? You are fortunate, you can not be humiliated like that by a practicing sadist. You have too much experience and knowledge to have to face him. > > If you are going to continue using the command line you really need to have > some basic grasp of what the commands are doing, or you should stop using > the command line at all. But by quitting just because it is difficult would destroy one of my main objectives. I have learned more than you know and less than you assume. I have been working blind most of the time. And when I ask too many, what you all consider stupid questions, a Bruce surfaces and tries to break my spirit. With my minute knowledge, I use the CLI 99.9% of the time. And now that I know that sources.list is sources.list instead of sources.lst, and that it is the same as the one in the GUI, I will start learning how to enter PPA's and get Keys using the command line, until that becomes easy. It won't be another year and I will be more like you than I am like myself. That is providing I don't get filtered from help. > Most things can be accomplished in the GUI and it > should be extremely rare that you would actually need to use the command > line. I believe that most users are incompetent because of the GUI. The GUI make everything easier, except to fix something. And for those who don't have much extra money, they can't afford technical help. I wouldn't have had a chance without this list. > > > Is the search I need a boulean (sp) search. I heard that was the google > > browser search type? When I used that term, I was under the impression that Google used a boulean search, and it was the best. I suspected it might be an excellent way to search through emails, and if it was an application, perhaps I could add it to my computer. Bruce and Donn appear to be important servants of the list, but they do not measure up to the quality of the others, at least not to someone of lesser experience. I personally don't want any future help from either of them. They are too cruel. Thanks if you are willing to continue to help me. I so appreciate most of you. This tutorial idea is great, but remember I have tried a bit of that too, and when I did, even it was too far over my head. Nonetheless, I have learned a lot from the List, and I think I might be able to handle them now. When many of you were where I am, you were working on 25mhz computers with 8mb of ram. You barely needed a hard drive, and are partly responsible for creating some of the confusing terminology that exists as common today. Consider how difficult it might be to enter when I did. I suppose some would be with 200mhz computers and 35mb of ram and a 500mb HDD. But you get my point. I am very happy with where I am today. I am planning to move back to San Diego in the near future. When there, I will teach my children and grandchildren what I know to try help them through the learning curve. I am so very grateful to you who have a heart and a little compassion and not so much killer instinct in your nature. Much love and gratitude, Steven > > ??? what are you trying to ask here? > > John Vifian From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Fri Aug 21 02:04:30 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:04:30 -0500 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908202110.28579.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908202110.28579.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908202104.31032.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Hello, Steven -- I top-post in general reply to your last two messages. Dis-like -- even "hate" -- me as you may choose. That is entirely your choice. But I strongly advise you to avoid using such words as "sadist" and "killer" -- especially when you have previously issued threats of violence that are only slightly "conditional". IF you knew how to read PROPERLY, you would know that I have NOT been the least bit abusive of you on the list. I did not WANT to be personally abusive. All that I did was tell the TRUTH -- and SINCERELY attempt to present to you a constructive alternative approach to (and understanding of) learning that MIGHT have worked for YOU. If you disagree, I request that you give me some specifics (as opposed to mere feelings). In any event, you would be wise to simply avoid using my name (in ANY form) in any future messages. PLEASE do not ACT as a fool would act in this specific respect. On Thursday 20 August 2009 08:10:28 pm Steven Vollom wrote: > On Saturday 15 August 2009 12:37:12 pm John L Vifian wrote: > Trim > > > > Some of the things you have had the opportunity to learn in the last bout > > of emails are:It is not a response of anger, just my opinion > > > > The difference in left and right clicking a file in dolphin > > Thank you I do this now. > > > what 'less' is and how to use it in a rudimentary fashion > > I have tried to use less, but it never has provided me with anything I can > understand. > > > How to turn line numbers on in 'less' > > But I could not understand the less nor when or how to use it. > > > How to turn line numbers on in kate > > I do that and am very grateful, it helps a lot. > > > when to use sudo and when to use kdesudo > > I believe I use them properly now. > > > how to search this list's archives with google > > I don't think I will ever be able to do that about computer issues. I haven't > given up, I try every day. I get diverted by links, and don't seem to know > when to apply the link or not. If you click on every link in an explanation > and every link in every link from the initial page you go to, there become > more links than there is time to read them. I have not yet figured out how you > do that task. Certainly you can't follow them all; there is always new links > in the next page. Almost every time I search a topic, the first thing done in > perhaps the first sentence is a link to something to read before continuing > with the page that is supposed to teach you what you need to know. When I > click on the link, in or close to the first sentence there is a link to > something else. In both cases there are many links in the lines that follow. > I become confused very fast. > > > what the command cd does > > I change directory when I remember it is needed. Using the command line is a > very new thing for me. I don't get enough practice. > > > what a path is > > I know what a path is and use it all the time. > > > what happens when you open kate with a non-existent file name > > I may understand this now, but it is new memory. > > > what happens when you run less with a non-existent file name > > I still don't understand the use of less. And after you read Bruce's last two > emails, you might understand how difficult it is to re-ask a question. > Apparently I am required to understand the first explanation. So what do you > do if you still don't understand? > > > > you should be able to open a file in a different directory with less or > > kate. For instance there is a file named dpkg.log which is in the 'log' > > directory which in turn is in the 'var' directory. > > Is there a way to trace a path going backward? How? > > > You should be able to > > construct a command line to open it using both less and kate. Try it. > > Note you don't need to use either kdesudo or sudo and shouldn't. > > I am confident I can now do that in kate, but it is new understanding. I still > don't understand less. If I am correct, I only need to use kdesudo or sudo in > kate or dolphin is if I want to make changes. I can read the data. In the > past, I have read documents using the word processor. That I have used a lot. > Kate is something very new to me. I still don't understand less. When I read > the help on it, I became more confused. > > > > This is all very basic stuff, and you need to figure out a way to make it > > understandable to yourself > > > > > He said open kmail and type 's' and then what I want and it would locate > > > what I need from my email records. That would be great if I knew where > > > in the kmail application I type the command in. > > Now that I have found how to use the 's' instruction, sure, I feel a bit > stupid, but when it was first explained, I had not yet used the search line in > the kmail opening page. Additionally it sounded like a command line > instruction. It never occurred to me that by simply pressing the 's' on the > keyboard it would or even should open a window. I have made enough mistakes > and been warned enough to be careful when you type a command. > > Perhaps there are other times I have typed a letter command without needing to > type it in a search line or command line, or any place, then hit enter to get > the result. When I got the 's' to work, it was an exciting surprise and made > me laugh. I was very happy. > > I realize now that I have been through some pretty advanced procedures with > your help. When I learn that this stuff is beginning information, I amaze > myself for what I have done. > > > > You don't type it in anything. The one caveat being that if you have more > > than one window open in kmail that the active window has to be the one > > showing your mail folders. Just type 's'. > > > > You can also do the same by clicking "Edit" in the menubar and then > > clicking "Find Messages..." > > I found Find, but not Find Messages. It is new for me. I will experiment. > Thanks! > > > or you can use the icon with the binoculars > > I couldn't find any Binoculars; is it on the kmail open window? > > > > which for me is on the same line is the existing search field. > > > > > When I typed in the word 's kdesudo' in the search line and pressed > > > enter, your email came up. I was expecting to see an email that > > > contained the word kdesudo. I know there are some in my saved emails. > > > That is an example of how I would like to use the search bar. Can it be > > > set up to do as I prefer? > > So you understand, I was not trying to enter the command kdesudo, I was trying > to search for the things in the folders that talked about kdesudo. I wanted > to confirm what I knew or should know about kdesudo. I realize now that when > you don't have a folder highlighted, the 's' instruction does nothing. Before > I typed kdesudo in the search line, and I was interpreting the term search > like I could search the folders, I typed in an 's' and pressed enter. Nothing > happened that led to what I would have expected. Kdesudo was my second try for > information. > > I am way ahead of thousands of silent people unwilling to be called stubborn > or stupid by asking dumb questions. But I will bet that most of those who > need the list are not using it for the embarrassment they will have to endure. > You are around knowledgeable computer people. I am around people who want to > learn how to send an email, or find the answer to a question. They would love > to do what I am doing, but don't want to experience the rudeness of Bruce. > > > > To my knowledge the search field only searches the subject line of the > > emails in the current folder, and can't be configured to do otherwise. It > > also has the annoying habit of opening the current email in a new window > > regardless if it matches the search. > > All of you who know my reputation on the list are probably unaware how far I > am from basic information, just because I have tackled many complicated tasks, > with an enormous amount of help, I agree, but I, like one of you has said, > have built my own computer since getting on the list. I have installed > numerous applications using the CLI. When I started, I did not know how to > even open a shell or know the many different terms used for naming it. And if > you paid any attention at all to my description of the use of Google, there > are millions of people who are confused about when to go on the link as > opposed to continuing reading the page for your answer. There is no end to > the links to follow in the first line or two of any link. If you read all the > links on the first line of a page, you will never be able to get to the second > link of any page either, then the third. There isn't enough years in a > lifetime to get to the end. > > For the life of me, I don't know how you do that, other than you know what the > link is about and don't need to divert. For me and so many others every link > is something new, so you can never get to the end of the transfers. > > > > >... Eventually I get > > > it, your way too, it just takes a lot longer with a lot of repetition. > > > In reality, if you bang on a square peg enough times, eventually the > > > corners will come off and it will fit in a round hole. > > > > Steven do you learn by doing? Do you learn by observation? Are you > > willing to spend time learning things even if you don't immediately see any > > useful application of the stuff you are learning? Would you be interested > > in some sort of tutoring? > > Absolutely, that is about the only way I can learn. That is how I have > learned the little I know. As Bruce would say, it takes 25 times for me to > learn. Well that is an exaggeration, but without instruction that you > understand, it takes repetition, so your mind can grasp what must be happening > when you do the work. > > If, for instance, there had been practical need for me to remember and > understand how to change directories using cd, the activity would have settled > in, but until I understood that cd stood for change directory and that there > was a difference between the term directory, folder and file, it was just > something I did, because someone told me to do it. An inexperienced person > sees a manila folder in his mind when any of the three terms are used, until > he understands their function. > > My daughter uses a computer daily. She has a very important job. But they > use Windows. She knows how to get what she wants and needs and yet only > understands a small part of what I have learned. I crave what you offered. > When I search a thing like cd, it is explaining how to change directories when > I didn't have the foggiest understanding of what I was changing. > > When I learned to understand cd, I had installed an application called > avimerge. I had to learn how to cd, just to put the pieces together. When I > understood that -o meant output and -i meant input, I no longer forgot the > necessary command to merge avi's. When I learned that there could be no > spaces between the letters of a command, excepting you put the words in > quotes, I learned how that must be done, and the space that is necessary > between the quotes separating two quotes. But when I really learned, and > after several edits in the command, was when the numbers started flying. When > that happened, I laughed for more than 5 minutes, and that is a lot of joy. > With the little I know about computers I can make the commands for merging and > splitting without thinking. When I install Jaunty, there is but a brief pause > when the Sun agreement comes up. For a while it was experimenting to get the > right item highlighted and approved, but after about a hundred installations > it gets pretty rote. Same with kmail. Wget is one thing I am still confused > about, but I have used it several times by cut and pasting. I am sure in time > I will understand it too. > > When I was editing this email, I got the inclination to include the previous > paragraph. To read for better understanding, take a look at the last line of > the second paragraph above. It should have continued from there.------ > Sometimes it appeared to be a folder, sometimes it appeared to be a file. No > distinction came early enough in training to keep me from looking like a fool > when already I have installed applications or packages or programs, all that I > had to learn about, when all were programs in windows. Repaired broken > applications, reinstalled the OS. > > And right now with my limited knowledge, I have a reasonably stable copy of > Karmic working on this computer and can install Jaunty on my newer computer in > just 14 minutes including installing the necessary updates. I can configure > kmail as fast as any other human, I have done it so many times, but it is > broken right now, and the only solution I know is to reinstall it. The ISP > is working properly and configuration is perfect, but the computer will not > communicate with the ISP. And although it has been explained before, I do not > know which files and folders to save so that I won't lose my emails if I > reinstall or my folders which are more important to me, or my addressbook. If > and when I ask for help on this issue, I will probably annoy a very good > friend, Goh Lip who walked me through it and Eberhard too. I am so sorry, but > I lost my records in one of the reinstalls and will have to try the archives > for the list, to see if I can avoid re-asking the questions. And Bruce, who > shouldn't be wasting his time on my posts will probably there with a two page > scathing. > > The last time I needed to use kate to edit the sources I was able to correct > the problem, but quite frankly was experimenting a bit when I knew it was > dangerous, because I was in sudo, and corrected the mistake by comparing the > line with the error, to other lines in the list. I didn't know if I could > delete anything without screwing things up. I didn't know if removing the '>' > that was all it took to fix the problem or would cause permanent damage to the > application. I just gambled and removed it. Shortly after I did that, I got > a reply to an email where I showed line 58, which I might add changed from the > original line 62 when the problem first surfaced. It wasn't until today that I > realized that the sources.list was the same as the kpackagekit GUI version of > the same directory or folder, I am still not sure which it is, directory or > folder. > > You have no idea how many people there are in worse condition than me and want > to change that situation. How many of you would want to be openly embarrassed > like I was with Bruce? How many of you would even ask a basic question? You > are fortunate, you can not be humiliated like that by a practicing sadist. > You have too much experience and knowledge to have to face him. > > > > If you are going to continue using the command line you really need to have > > some basic grasp of what the commands are doing, or you should stop using > > the command line at all. > > But by quitting just because it is difficult would destroy one of my main > objectives. I have learned more than you know and less than you assume. I > have been working blind most of the time. And when I ask too many, what you > all consider stupid questions, a Bruce surfaces and tries to break my spirit. > > With my minute knowledge, I use the CLI 99.9% of the time. And now that I > know that sources.list is sources.list instead of sources.lst, and that it is > the same as the one in the GUI, I will start learning how to enter PPA's and > get Keys using the command line, until that becomes easy. > > It won't be another year and I will be more like you than I am like myself. > That is providing I don't get filtered from help. > > > Most things can be accomplished in the GUI and it > > should be extremely rare that you would actually need to use the command > > line. > I believe that most users are incompetent because of the GUI. The GUI make > everything easier, except to fix something. And for those who don't have much > extra money, they can't afford technical help. I wouldn't have had a chance > without this list. > > > > > Is the search I need a boulean (sp) search. I heard that was the google > > > browser search type? > > When I used that term, I was under the impression that Google used a boulean > search, and it was the best. I suspected it might be an excellent way to > search through emails, and if it was an application, perhaps I could add it to > my computer. > > Bruce and Donn appear to be important servants of the list, but they do not > measure up to the quality of the others, at least not to someone of lesser > experience. I personally don't want any future help from either of them. > They are too cruel. Thanks if you are willing to continue to help me. I so > appreciate most of you. This tutorial idea is great, but remember I have > tried a bit of that too, and when I did, even it was too far over my head. > Nonetheless, I have learned a lot from the List, and I think I might be able > to handle them now. > > When many of you were where I am, you were working on 25mhz computers with 8mb > of ram. You barely needed a hard drive, and are partly responsible for > creating some of the confusing terminology that exists as common today. > Consider how difficult it might be to enter when I did. I suppose some would be > with 200mhz computers and 35mb of ram and a 500mb HDD. But you get my point. > > I am very happy with where I am today. I am planning to move back to San > Diego in the near future. When there, I will teach my children and > grandchildren what I know to try help them through the learning curve. I am > so very grateful to you who have a heart and a little compassion and not so > much killer instinct in your nature. > > Much love and gratitude, > > Steven > > > > ??? what are you trying to ask here? > > > > John Vifian > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 02:41:04 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:41:04 +0300 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908202104.31032.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908202110.28579.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908202104.31032.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <15edeae40908201941u79e5dcd4h79d3cc897baf91a1@mail.gmail.com> sorry for that, but following a top-post. the case here is like a doctor trying to advise his patient for better health, "don't eat this type of food, eat that. do NOT mix these 2 types of food..." "do i have to learn all these? if i'm not ok, i'll just pay you a visit". well.. this CAN work, and the doctor will surely save him everytime, but does in reality anyone risk his health that way? why would someone choose to suffer from health problems occasionally? Steven can prevent most of his computer issues by doing what we tell him, but he refuses, he wants to be the chemist with radioactive/explosive materials that wants to use them the way HE wants, without any knowledge in chemistry. personally, i gave up a year ago, i never bothered posting anything to him anymore because he was flat-out refusing to stay far from programs known to be too much for him, or listenng to the advise of reading CLI books. i have been an expert in a Windows system for 5 years. i considered myself a genius in fixing them. until i got Linux, and i had to spend weeks of downloading books and reading them to get a grasp of the basics, then spent hours upon hours everyday in the #kubuntu channel on IRC, mostly lurking to get more and more info about this system, how it works, the most common problems, common advises given, until i decided to join this list, and it proved to be my heaven. in short, people HAVE to study for anything this complicated before using it, and bothering with it. if a book is too boring for you, well... you're too boring for us as well. 2009/8/21 Bruce MacArthur : > Hello, Steven -- > > I top-post in general reply to your last two messages. > > Dis-like -- even "hate" -- me as you may choose.  That is entirely your > choice.  But I strongly advise you to avoid using such words as "sadist" > and "killer" -- especially when you have previously issued threats of > violence that are only slightly "conditional". > > IF you knew how to read PROPERLY, you would know that I have NOT been > the least bit abusive of you on the list.  I did not WANT to be > personally abusive.  All that I did was tell the TRUTH -- and SINCERELY > attempt to present to you a constructive alternative approach to (and > understanding of) learning that MIGHT have worked for YOU.  If you > disagree, I request that you give me some specifics (as opposed to mere > feelings). > > In any event, you would be wise to simply avoid using my name (in ANY > form) in any future messages.  PLEASE do not ACT as a fool would act in > this specific respect. > > > On Thursday 20 August 2009 08:10:28 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >> On Saturday 15 August 2009 12:37:12 pm John L Vifian wrote: >> Trim >> > >> > Some of the things you have had the opportunity to learn in the last > bout >> > of emails are:It is not a response of anger, just my opinion >> > >> > The difference in left and right clicking a file in dolphin >> >> Thank you I do this now. >> >> > what 'less' is and how to use it in a rudimentary fashion >> >> I have tried to use less, but it never has provided me with anything I > can >> understand. >> >> > How to turn line numbers on in 'less' >> >> But I could not understand the less nor when or how to use it. >> >> > How to turn line numbers on in kate >> >> I do that and am very grateful, it helps a lot. >> >> > when to use sudo and when to use kdesudo >> >> I believe I use them properly now. >> >> > how to search this list's archives with google >> >> I don't think I will ever be able to do that about computer issues.  I > haven't >> given up, I try every day.  I get diverted by links, and don't seem to > know >> when to apply the link or not.  If you click on every link in an > explanation >> and every link in every link from the initial page you go to, there > become >> more links than there is time to read them.  I have not yet figured out > how you >> do that task.  Certainly you can't follow them all; there is always > new links >> in the next page.  Almost every time I search a topic, the first thing > done in >> perhaps the first sentence is a link to something to read before > continuing >> with the page that is supposed to teach you what you need to know. > When I >> click on the link, in or close to the first sentence there is a link to >> something else.  In both cases there are many links in the lines that > follow. >> I become confused very fast. >> >> > what the command cd does >> >> I change directory when I remember it is needed.  Using the command > line is a >> very new thing for me.  I don't get enough practice. >> >> > what a path is >> >> I know what a path is and use it all the time. >> >> > what happens when you open kate with a non-existent file name >> >> I may understand this now, but it is new memory. >> >> > what happens when you run less with a non-existent file name >> >> I still don't understand the use of less.  And after you read Bruce's > last two >> emails, you might understand how difficult it is to re-ask a question. >> Apparently I am required to understand the first explanation.  So what > do you >> do if you still don't understand? >> > >> > you should be able to open a file in a different directory with less > or >> > kate. For instance there is a file named dpkg.log which is in the > 'log' >> > directory which in turn is in the 'var' directory. >> >> Is there a way to trace a path going backward?  How? >> >> > You should be able to >> > construct a command line to open it using both less and kate.  Try > it. >> > Note you don't need to use either kdesudo or sudo and shouldn't. >> >> I am confident I can now do that in kate, but it is new understanding. > I still >> don't understand less.  If I am correct, I only need to use kdesudo or > sudo in >> kate or dolphin is if I want to make changes.  I can read the data. > In the >> past, I have read documents using the word processor.  That I have > used a lot. >> Kate is something very new to me.  I still don't understand less. > When I read >> the help on it, I became more confused. >> > >> > This is all very basic stuff, and you need to figure out a way to make > it >> > understandable to yourself >> > >> > > He said open kmail and type 's' and then what I want and it would > locate >> > > what I need from my email records.  That would be great if I knew > where >> > > in the kmail application I type the command in. >> >> Now that I have found how to use the 's' instruction, sure, I feel a > bit >> stupid, but when it was first explained, I had not yet used the search > line in >> the kmail opening page.  Additionally it sounded like a command line >> instruction.  It never occurred to me that by simply pressing the 's' > on the >> keyboard it would or even should open a window.  I have made enough > mistakes >> and been warned enough to be careful when you type a command. >> >> Perhaps there are other times I have typed a letter command without > needing to >> type it in a search line or command line, or any place, then hit enter > to get >> the result.  When I got the 's' to work, it was an exciting surprise > and made >> me laugh.  I was very happy. >> >> I realize now that I have been through some pretty advanced procedures > with >> your help.  When I learn that this stuff is beginning information, I > amaze >> myself for what I have done. >> > >> > You don't type it in anything.  The one caveat being that if you > have more >> > than one window open in kmail that the active window has to be the > one >> > showing your mail folders.  Just type 's'. >> > >> > You can also do the same by clicking "Edit" in the menubar and then >> > clicking "Find Messages..." >> >> I found Find, but not Find Messages.  It is new for me.  I will > experiment. >> Thanks! >> >> > or you can use the icon with the binoculars >> >> I couldn't find any Binoculars; is it on the kmail open window? >> >> >> > which for me is on the same line is the existing search field. >> > >> > > When I typed in the word 's kdesudo' in the search line and > pressed >> > > enter, your email came up.  I was expecting to see an email that >> > > contained the word kdesudo.  I know there are some in my saved > emails. >> > > That is an example of how I would like to use the search bar.  Can > it be >> > > set up to do as I prefer? >> >> So you understand, I was not trying to enter the command kdesudo, I > was trying >> to search for the things in the folders that talked about kdesudo.  I > wanted >> to confirm what I knew or should know about kdesudo.  I realize now > that when >> you don't have a folder highlighted, the 's' instruction does nothing. > Before >> I typed kdesudo in the search line, and I was interpreting the term > search >> like I could search the folders, I typed in an 's' and pressed enter. > Nothing >> happened that led to what I would have expected. Kdesudo was my second > try for >> information. >> >> I am way ahead of thousands of silent people unwilling to be called > stubborn >> or stupid by asking dumb questions.  But I will bet that most of those > who >> need the list are not using it for the embarrassment they will have to > endure. >> You are around knowledgeable computer people.  I am around people who > want to >> learn how to send an email, or find the answer to a question.  They > would love >> to do what I am doing, but don't want to experience the rudeness of > Bruce. >> > >> > To my knowledge the search field only searches the subject line of > the >> > emails in the current folder, and can't be configured to do > otherwise.  It >> > also has the annoying habit of opening the current email in a new > window >> > regardless if it matches the search. >> >> All of you who know my reputation on the list are probably unaware how > far I >> am from basic information, just because I have tackled many > complicated tasks, >> with an enormous amount of help, I agree, but I, like one of you has > said, >> have built my own computer since getting on the list.  I have > installed >> numerous applications using the CLI.  When I started, I did not know > how to >> even open a shell or know the many different terms used for naming it. > And if >> you paid any attention at all to my description of the use of Google, > there >> are millions of people who are confused about when to go on the link > as >> opposed to continuing reading the page for your answer.  There is no > end to >> the links to follow in the first line or two of any link.  If you read > all the >> links on the first line of a page, you will never be able to get to the > second >> link of any page either, then the third.  There isn't enough years in > a >> lifetime to get to the end. >> >> For the life of me, I don't know how you do that, other than you know > what the >> link is about and don't need to divert.  For me and so many others > every link >> is something new, so you can never get to the end of the transfers. >> > >> > >...  Eventually I get >> > > it, your way too, it just takes a lot longer with a lot of > repetition. >> > > In reality, if you bang on a square peg enough times, eventually > the >> > > corners will come off and it will fit in a round hole. >> > >> > Steven do you learn by doing?  Do you learn by observation?  Are you >> > willing to spend time learning things even if you don't immediately > see any >> > useful application of the stuff you are learning?  Would you be > interested >> > in some sort of tutoring? >> >> Absolutely, that is about the only way I can learn.  That is how I > have >> learned the little I know.  As Bruce would say, it takes 25 times for > me to >> learn.  Well that is an exaggeration, but without instruction that you >> understand, it takes repetition, so your mind can grasp what must be > happening >> when you do the work. >> >> If, for instance, there had been practical need for me to remember and >> understand how to change directories using cd, the activity would have > settled >> in, but until I understood that cd stood for change directory and that > there >> was a difference between the term directory, folder and file, it was > just >> something I did, because someone told me to do it.  An inexperienced > person >> sees a manila folder in his mind when any of the three terms are used, > until >> he understands their function. >> >> My daughter uses a computer daily.  She has a very important job.  But > they >> use Windows.  She knows how to get what she wants and needs and yet > only >> understands a small part of what I have learned.  I crave what you > offered. >> When I search a thing like cd, it is explaining how to change > directories when >> I didn't have the foggiest understanding of what I was changing. >> >> When I learned to understand cd, I had installed an application called >> avimerge.  I had to learn how to cd, just to put the pieces together. > When I >> understood that -o meant output and -i meant input, I no longer forgot > the >> necessary command to merge avi's.  When I learned that there could be > no >> spaces between the letters of a command, excepting you put the words > in >> quotes, I learned how that must be done, and the space that is > necessary >> between the quotes separating two quotes.  But when I really learned, > and >> after several edits in the command, was when the numbers started > flying.  When >> that happened, I laughed for more than 5 minutes, and that is a lot of > joy. >> With the little I know about computers I can make the commands for > merging and >> splitting without thinking.  When I install Jaunty, there is but a > brief pause >> when the Sun agreement comes up.  For a while it was experimenting to > get the >> right item highlighted and approved, but after about a hundred > installations >> it gets pretty rote.  Same with kmail.  Wget is one thing I am still > confused >> about, but I have used it several times by cut and pasting.  I am sure > in time >> I will understand it too. >> >> When I was editing this email, I got the inclination to include the > previous >> paragraph.  To read for better understanding, take a look at the last > line of >> the second paragraph above.  It should have continued from > there.------ >> Sometimes it appeared to be a folder, sometimes it appeared to be a > file.  No >> distinction came early enough in training to keep me from looking like > a fool >> when already I have installed applications or packages or programs, > all that I >> had to learn about, when all were programs in windows.  Repaired > broken >> applications, reinstalled the OS. >> >> And right now with my limited knowledge, I have a reasonably stable > copy of >> Karmic working on this computer and can install Jaunty on my newer > computer in >> just 14 minutes including installing the necessary updates.  I can > configure >> kmail as fast as any other human, I have done it so many times, but it > is >> broken right now, and the only solution I know is to reinstall it. > The ISP >> is working properly and configuration is perfect, but the computer will > not >> communicate with the ISP.  And although it has been explained before, > I do not >> know which files and folders to save so that I won't lose my emails if > I >> reinstall or my folders which are more important to me, or my > addressbook.  If >> and when I ask for help on this issue, I will probably annoy a very > good >> friend, Goh Lip who walked me through it and Eberhard too.  I am so > sorry, but >> I lost my records in one of the reinstalls and will have to try the > archives >> for the list, to see if I can avoid re-asking the questions.  And > Bruce, who >> shouldn't be wasting his time on my posts will probably there with a > two page >> scathing. >> >> The last time I needed to use kate to edit the sources I was able to > correct >> the problem, but quite frankly was experimenting a bit when I knew it > was >> dangerous, because I was in sudo, and corrected the mistake by > comparing the >> line with the error, to other lines in the list. I didn't know if I > could >> delete anything without screwing things up.  I didn't know if removing > the '>' >> that was all it took to fix the problem or would cause permanent damage > to the >> application.  I just gambled and removed it.  Shortly after I did > that, I got >> a reply to an email where I showed line 58, which I might add changed > from the >> original line 62 when the problem first surfaced.  It wasn't until > today that I >> realized that the sources.list was the same as the kpackagekit GUI > version of >> the same directory or folder, I am still not sure which it is, > directory or >> folder. >> >> You have no idea how many people there are in worse condition than me > and want >> to change that situation.  How many of you would want to be openly > embarrassed >> like I was with Bruce?  How many of you would even ask a basic > question?  You >> are fortunate, you can not be humiliated like that by a practicing > sadist. >> You have too much experience and knowledge to have to face him. >> > >> > If you are going to continue using the command line you really need > to have >> > some basic grasp of what the commands are doing, or you should stop > using >> > the command line at all. >> >> But by quitting just because it is difficult would destroy one of my > main >> objectives.  I have learned more than you know and less than you > assume.  I >> have been working blind most of the time.  And when I ask too many, > what you >> all consider stupid questions, a Bruce surfaces and tries to break my > spirit. >> >> With my minute knowledge, I use the CLI 99.9% of the time.  And now > that I >> know that sources.list is sources.list instead of sources.lst, and > that it is >> the same as the one in the GUI, I will start learning how to enter > PPA's and >> get Keys using the command line, until that becomes easy. >> >> It won't be another year and I will be more like you than I am like > myself. >> That is providing I don't get filtered from help. >> >> > Most things can be accomplished in the GUI and it >> > should be extremely rare that  you would actually need to use the > command >> > line. >> I believe that most users are incompetent because of the GUI.  The GUI > make >> everything easier,  except to fix something.  And for those who don't > have much >> extra money, they can't afford technical help.  I wouldn't have had a > chance >> without this list. >> > >> > > Is the search I need a boulean (sp) search.  I heard that was the > google >> > > browser search type? >> >> When I used that term, I was under the impression that Google used a > boulean >> search, and it was the best.  I suspected it might be an excellent way > to >> search through emails, and if it was an application, perhaps I could > add it to >> my computer. >> >> Bruce and Donn appear to be important servants of the list, but they > do not >> measure up to the quality of the others, at least not to someone of > lesser >> experience.   I personally don't want any future help from either of > them. >> They are too cruel.  Thanks if you are willing to continue to help me. > I so >> appreciate most of you.  This tutorial idea is great, but remember I > have >> tried a bit of that too, and when I did, even it was too far over my > head. >> Nonetheless, I have learned a lot from the List, and I think I might > be able >> to handle them now. >> >> When many of you were where I am, you were working on 25mhz computers > with 8mb >> of ram.  You barely needed a hard drive, and are partly responsible > for >> creating some of the confusing terminology that exists as common > today. >> Consider how difficult it might be to enter when I did.  I suppose some > would be >> with 200mhz computers and 35mb of ram and a 500mb HDD.  But you get > my point. >> >> I am very happy with where I am  today.  I am planning to move back to > San >> Diego in the near future.  When there, I will teach my children and >> grandchildren what I know to try help them through the learning curve. > I am >> so very grateful to you who have a heart and a little compassion and > not so >> much killer instinct in your nature. >> >> Much love and gratitude, >> >> Steven >> > >> > ??? what are you trying to ask here? >> > >> > John Vifian >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From rjlapham at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 05:24:11 2009 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:24:11 -0400 Subject: Wireless doesn't work on new Toshiba laptop Message-ID: <200908210124.12343.rjlapham@gmail.com> On Sunday I picked up one of the Walmart special $348 Toshiba Satellite 17 inch laptops (Laptop2) and was unable to connect wireless under Win Vista . I installed Kubuntu 9.04 and eventually got network-manager to connect intermittently, but not for long. I was never able to actually get a web page to load. I couldn't even ping. Yesterday evening I installed wicd on Laptop2 and I think I see the problem. The "Connected to jerry at ..." rate varies rapidly between 100% and 0% with occasional instances of 2% and 4%. I still have not been able to load a web page but I do once in a while get back some pings. My old laptop's "Connected to jerry at ..." rate varies from around 40% to 50% (it's a few feet farther from the router.) It's been connected and working all day. Any ideas what I can do to get Laptop2 to work wireless? -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= 47% of all statistics are made up on the spot. From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Fri Aug 21 05:54:59 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:54:59 -0400 Subject: Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package In-Reply-To: <4A8C020B.2080002@gmail.com> References: <5s6tl6-skq.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> <4A8C020B.2080002@gmail.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Aug 19, Eric did say: > I have Krusader installed and I use it to do SFTP. You set it up in one > of the menus. Actually you don't really set up anything. You just enter > the normal data you enter for SFTP. Krusader hmmnnn? I tried that once, thought it might be enough like midnight commander (which is the only file manager I ever use) that I might like it. I found it way to cumbersome, so the next time I had to do a clean linux install I didn't bother adding it back in... Still from what I remember, even though it was cumbersome, it did at least allow me to use it without having to dust of the (expletive-deleted) rodent pointing device... So maybe I'll add it back in to my program mix just so that I'll have an sftp client I can stand to look at. But since that's all I'd use it for, it seams like a bit of overkill. Especially since I can't say when, or if the next occasion will arise that I'll even need to use an sftp client. I'm just used to keeping a viable cli tool around just in case. > I found an interesting program called Woof. It sets up a temporary > webserver. It's a Python program so all you have to enter is ./woof and > it returns a URL. You can give that to someone else or you can use it on > your other computer to download the file via HTTP. It appears to be a > simple way to transfer a file or two between computers, no matter if > they are a part of your network or just someone you wish to send a file > to. http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/woof.html Ummmnnn to do that wouldn't I have to open a port or two on my router? I might be running linux, but it's my personal pc, I'm not running it as any kind of server. From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Fri Aug 21 05:55:18 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:55:18 -0400 Subject: Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It would appear that on Aug 19, Jonas Norlander did say: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package > > > > OK So what should I use for secure ftp??? > > Are you talking of setting up a server or using a client? sftp is in > the openssh-client package and is a CLI ftp like program that using > SSH to encrypt the connection. exactly: A cli ftp client that supports SSH connections... I don't need it very often. But I absolutely can not stand any gui clients for file transfer. So I just want the dang cli tool in belt for the next time I take a course and they try to tell me to use some gui windows client... -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 06:16:24 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:16:24 +0200 Subject: Nvidia 9600? In-Reply-To: <200908201351.19441.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908151151.26984.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908201351.19441.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: > Steve > I have an AMD 64 x 4 and a 9600 GForce nVidia card that works great. Steve can you do a test for me? Start Blender3d, if you don't have it yet. Sudo aptitude install blender Then see how many vertexes you can have in a shape and still have the the sculpt tool working well with quick updates to the screen. Because I know this is a new program for you the commands are: X and then ok to delete the start up cube. space bar -> add -> UVsphere tab puts you in edit mode is you are in object mode then w1 subdivides and each time you get more verts. You can see how many at the top of the screen ( ve 0, 1000, ed 0, 600, fa 0, 300). That means vertexes 0 selected 1000 there, then edges, then faces. To get into sculpture mode look at where it says edit mode or object mode and select sculpt mode. See if you can sculpt. You will find it works well at the start but then as you keep subdividing you will get to many verts and the screen update takes like 5 seconds so you can no longer work the tool well. If this is all to much for you, thanks anyway. No problem. Best, -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 06:25:23 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:25:23 +1000 Subject: Package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908211625.23741.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:55:18 pm Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > I don't need it very often. But I absolutely can not stand any gui > clients for file transfer. So I just want the dang cli tool in belt > for the next time I take a course and they try to tell me to use some > gui windows client... Have you tried just running sftp? it was pre-installed on my karmic system, from package "openssh-client" -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 06:56:03 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:56:03 +0200 Subject: Nvidia 9600? In-Reply-To: References: <200908151151.26984.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908201351.19441.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Knapp wrote: >> Steve >> I have an AMD 64  x 4 and a 9600 GForce nVidia card that works great. > > Steve can you do a test for me? > > Start  Blender3d, if you don't have it yet. > Sudo aptitude install blender > > Then see how many vertexes you can have in a shape and still have the > the sculpt tool working well with quick updates to the screen. > Because I know this is a new program for you the commands are: > X and then ok to delete the start up cube. > space bar -> add -> UVsphere > tab puts you in edit mode is you are in object mode > then w1 subdivides and each time you get more verts. > You can see how many at the top of the screen ( ve 0, 1000, ed 0, 600, > fa 0, 300). That means vertexes 0 selected 1000 there, then edges, > then faces. > > To get into sculpture mode look at where it says edit mode or object > mode and select sculpt mode. See if you can sculpt. You will find it > works well at the start but then as you keep subdividing you will get > to many verts and the screen update takes like 5 seconds so you can no > longer work the tool well. > Never used blender or any 3D tool I tried to follow your instruktions. At Ve:1015810 | Ed:2064384 | Fa:1048576 | Mem:1146.80 (0.09) it started to take to long times to update. This is on my Asus Nvidia 9600 GT 512 MB Ram / Jonas From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Aug 21 13:17:11 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:17:11 +0200 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <15edeae40908201941u79e5dcd4h79d3cc897baf91a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908150937.12627.jongleur@liripipe.com> <200908202110.28579.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908202104.31032.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <15edeae40908201941u79e5dcd4h79d3cc897baf91a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Top posting again: this is just to ask you all to please stop posting on this thread, it has definitely gone too far. Currently the administrators and moderators are discussing what measures have to be taken to avoid such an escalation in the future. Please all, if you have comments about this matter, send those to the administrators off list here:, we will welcome input from the community. As a reminder for all of us: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette As stated in the general page of this mailing list: "This list is for discussion about using the Kubuntu distribution". Consider this thread to be closed. Thank you for your understanding. For the administrators and moderators team: Myriam On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:41, Willy Hamra wrote: > sorry for that, but following a top-post. > the case here is like a doctor trying to advise his patient for better > health, "don't eat this type of food, eat that. do NOT mix these 2 > types of food..." "do i have to learn all these? if i'm not ok, i'll > just pay you a visit". > well.. this CAN work, and the doctor will surely save him everytime, > but does in reality anyone risk his health that way? why would someone > choose to suffer from health problems occasionally? > Steven can prevent most of his computer issues by doing what we tell > him, but he refuses, he wants to be the chemist with > radioactive/explosive materials that wants to use them the way HE > wants, without any knowledge in chemistry. > personally, i gave up a year ago, i never bothered posting anything to > him anymore because he was flat-out refusing to stay far from programs > known to be too much for him, or listenng to the advise of reading CLI > books. > i have been an expert in a Windows system for 5 years. i considered > myself a genius in fixing them. until i got Linux, and i had to spend > weeks of downloading books and reading them to get a grasp of the > basics, then spent hours upon hours everyday in the #kubuntu channel > on IRC, mostly lurking to get more and more info about this system, > how it works, the most common problems, common advises given, until i > decided to join this list, and it proved to be my heaven. in short, > people HAVE to study for anything this complicated before using it, > and bothering with it. if a book is too boring for you, well... you're > too boring for us as well. > > 2009/8/21 Bruce MacArthur : >> Hello, Steven -- >> >> I top-post in general reply to your last two messages. >> >> Dis-like -- even "hate" -- me as you may choose.  That is entirely your >> choice.  But I strongly advise you to avoid using such words as "sadist" >> and "killer" -- especially when you have previously issued threats of >> violence that are only slightly "conditional". >> >> IF you knew how to read PROPERLY, you would know that I have NOT been >> the least bit abusive of you on the list.  I did not WANT to be >> personally abusive.  All that I did was tell the TRUTH -- and SINCERELY >> attempt to present to you a constructive alternative approach to (and >> understanding of) learning that MIGHT have worked for YOU.  If you >> disagree, I request that you give me some specifics (as opposed to mere >> feelings). >> >> In any event, you would be wise to simply avoid using my name (in ANY >> form) in any future messages.  PLEASE do not ACT as a fool would act in >> this specific respect. >> >> >> On Thursday 20 August 2009 08:10:28 pm Steven Vollom wrote: >>> On Saturday 15 August 2009 12:37:12 pm John L Vifian wrote: >>> Trim >>> > >>> > Some of the things you have had the opportunity to learn in the last >> bout >>> > of emails are:It is not a response of anger, just my opinion >>> > >>> > The difference in left and right clicking a file in dolphin >>> >>> Thank you I do this now. >>> >>> > what 'less' is and how to use it in a rudimentary fashion >>> >>> I have tried to use less, but it never has provided me with anything I >> can >>> understand. >>> >>> > How to turn line numbers on in 'less' >>> >>> But I could not understand the less nor when or how to use it. >>> >>> > How to turn line numbers on in kate >>> >>> I do that and am very grateful, it helps a lot. >>> >>> > when to use sudo and when to use kdesudo >>> >>> I believe I use them properly now. >>> >>> > how to search this list's archives with google >>> >>> I don't think I will ever be able to do that about computer issues.  I >> haven't >>> given up, I try every day.  I get diverted by links, and don't seem to >> know >>> when to apply the link or not.  If you click on every link in an >> explanation >>> and every link in every link from the initial page you go to, there >> become >>> more links than there is time to read them.  I have not yet figured out >> how you >>> do that task.  Certainly you can't follow them all; there is always >> new links >>> in the next page.  Almost every time I search a topic, the first thing >> done in >>> perhaps the first sentence is a link to something to read before >> continuing >>> with the page that is supposed to teach you what you need to know. >> When I >>> click on the link, in or close to the first sentence there is a link to >>> something else.  In both cases there are many links in the lines that >> follow. >>> I become confused very fast. >>> >>> > what the command cd does >>> >>> I change directory when I remember it is needed.  Using the command >> line is a >>> very new thing for me.  I don't get enough practice. >>> >>> > what a path is >>> >>> I know what a path is and use it all the time. >>> >>> > what happens when you open kate with a non-existent file name >>> >>> I may understand this now, but it is new memory. >>> >>> > what happens when you run less with a non-existent file name >>> >>> I still don't understand the use of less.  And after you read Bruce's >> last two >>> emails, you might understand how difficult it is to re-ask a question. >>> Apparently I am required to understand the first explanation.  So what >> do you >>> do if you still don't understand? >>> > >>> > you should be able to open a file in a different directory with less >> or >>> > kate. For instance there is a file named dpkg.log which is in the >> 'log' >>> > directory which in turn is in the 'var' directory. >>> >>> Is there a way to trace a path going backward?  How? >>> >>> > You should be able to >>> > construct a command line to open it using both less and kate.  Try >> it. >>> > Note you don't need to use either kdesudo or sudo and shouldn't. >>> >>> I am confident I can now do that in kate, but it is new understanding. >> I still >>> don't understand less.  If I am correct, I only need to use kdesudo or >> sudo in >>> kate or dolphin is if I want to make changes.  I can read the data. >> In the >>> past, I have read documents using the word processor.  That I have >> used a lot. >>> Kate is something very new to me.  I still don't understand less. >> When I read >>> the help on it, I became more confused. >>> > >>> > This is all very basic stuff, and you need to figure out a way to make >> it >>> > understandable to yourself >>> > >>> > > He said open kmail and type 's' and then what I want and it would >> locate >>> > > what I need from my email records.  That would be great if I knew >> where >>> > > in the kmail application I type the command in. >>> >>> Now that I have found how to use the 's' instruction, sure, I feel a >> bit >>> stupid, but when it was first explained, I had not yet used the search >> line in >>> the kmail opening page.  Additionally it sounded like a command line >>> instruction.  It never occurred to me that by simply pressing the 's' >> on the >>> keyboard it would or even should open a window.  I have made enough >> mistakes >>> and been warned enough to be careful when you type a command. >>> >>> Perhaps there are other times I have typed a letter command without >> needing to >>> type it in a search line or command line, or any place, then hit enter >> to get >>> the result.  When I got the 's' to work, it was an exciting surprise >> and made >>> me laugh.  I was very happy. >>> >>> I realize now that I have been through some pretty advanced procedures >> with >>> your help.  When I learn that this stuff is beginning information, I >> amaze >>> myself for what I have done. >>> > >>> > You don't type it in anything.  The one caveat being that if you >> have more >>> > than one window open in kmail that the active window has to be the >> one >>> > showing your mail folders.  Just type 's'. >>> > >>> > You can also do the same by clicking "Edit" in the menubar and then >>> > clicking "Find Messages..." >>> >>> I found Find, but not Find Messages.  It is new for me.  I will >> experiment. >>> Thanks! >>> >>> > or you can use the icon with the binoculars >>> >>> I couldn't find any Binoculars; is it on the kmail open window? >>> >>> >>> > which for me is on the same line is the existing search field. >>> > >>> > > When I typed in the word 's kdesudo' in the search line and >> pressed >>> > > enter, your email came up.  I was expecting to see an email that >>> > > contained the word kdesudo.  I know there are some in my saved >> emails. >>> > > That is an example of how I would like to use the search bar.  Can >> it be >>> > > set up to do as I prefer? >>> >>> So you understand, I was not trying to enter the command kdesudo, I >> was trying >>> to search for the things in the folders that talked about kdesudo.  I >> wanted >>> to confirm what I knew or should know about kdesudo.  I realize now >> that when >>> you don't have a folder highlighted, the 's' instruction does nothing. >> Before >>> I typed kdesudo in the search line, and I was interpreting the term >> search >>> like I could search the folders, I typed in an 's' and pressed enter. >> Nothing >>> happened that led to what I would have expected. Kdesudo was my second >> try for >>> information. >>> >>> I am way ahead of thousands of silent people unwilling to be called >> stubborn >>> or stupid by asking dumb questions.  But I will bet that most of those >> who >>> need the list are not using it for the embarrassment they will have to >> endure. >>> You are around knowledgeable computer people.  I am around people who >> want to >>> learn how to send an email, or find the answer to a question.  They >> would love >>> to do what I am doing, but don't want to experience the rudeness of >> Bruce. >>> > >>> > To my knowledge the search field only searches the subject line of >> the >>> > emails in the current folder, and can't be configured to do >> otherwise.  It >>> > also has the annoying habit of opening the current email in a new >> window >>> > regardless if it matches the search. >>> >>> All of you who know my reputation on the list are probably unaware how >> far I >>> am from basic information, just because I have tackled many >> complicated tasks, >>> with an enormous amount of help, I agree, but I, like one of you has >> said, >>> have built my own computer since getting on the list.  I have >> installed >>> numerous applications using the CLI.  When I started, I did not know >> how to >>> even open a shell or know the many different terms used for naming it. >> And if >>> you paid any attention at all to my description of the use of Google, >> there >>> are millions of people who are confused about when to go on the link >> as >>> opposed to continuing reading the page for your answer.  There is no >> end to >>> the links to follow in the first line or two of any link.  If you read >> all the >>> links on the first line of a page, you will never be able to get to the >> second >>> link of any page either, then the third.  There isn't enough years in >> a >>> lifetime to get to the end. >>> >>> For the life of me, I don't know how you do that, other than you know >> what the >>> link is about and don't need to divert.  For me and so many others >> every link >>> is something new, so you can never get to the end of the transfers. >>> > >>> > >...  Eventually I get >>> > > it, your way too, it just takes a lot longer with a lot of >> repetition. >>> > > In reality, if you bang on a square peg enough times, eventually >> the >>> > > corners will come off and it will fit in a round hole. >>> > >>> > Steven do you learn by doing?  Do you learn by observation?  Are you >>> > willing to spend time learning things even if you don't immediately >> see any >>> > useful application of the stuff you are learning?  Would you be >> interested >>> > in some sort of tutoring? >>> >>> Absolutely, that is about the only way I can learn.  That is how I >> have >>> learned the little I know.  As Bruce would say, it takes 25 times for >> me to >>> learn.  Well that is an exaggeration, but without instruction that you >>> understand, it takes repetition, so your mind can grasp what must be >> happening >>> when you do the work. >>> >>> If, for instance, there had been practical need for me to remember and >>> understand how to change directories using cd, the activity would have >> settled >>> in, but until I understood that cd stood for change directory and that >> there >>> was a difference between the term directory, folder and file, it was >> just >>> something I did, because someone told me to do it.  An inexperienced >> person >>> sees a manila folder in his mind when any of the three terms are used, >> until >>> he understands their function. >>> >>> My daughter uses a computer daily.  She has a very important job.  But >> they >>> use Windows.  She knows how to get what she wants and needs and yet >> only >>> understands a small part of what I have learned.  I crave what you >> offered. >>> When I search a thing like cd, it is explaining how to change >> directories when >>> I didn't have the foggiest understanding of what I was changing. >>> >>> When I learned to understand cd, I had installed an application called >>> avimerge.  I had to learn how to cd, just to put the pieces together. >> When I >>> understood that -o meant output and -i meant input, I no longer forgot >> the >>> necessary command to merge avi's.  When I learned that there could be >> no >>> spaces between the letters of a command, excepting you put the words >> in >>> quotes, I learned how that must be done, and the space that is >> necessary >>> between the quotes separating two quotes.  But when I really learned, >> and >>> after several edits in the command, was when the numbers started >> flying.  When >>> that happened, I laughed for more than 5 minutes, and that is a lot of >> joy. >>> With the little I know about computers I can make the commands for >> merging and >>> splitting without thinking.  When I install Jaunty, there is but a >> brief pause >>> when the Sun agreement comes up.  For a while it was experimenting to >> get the >>> right item highlighted and approved, but after about a hundred >> installations >>> it gets pretty rote.  Same with kmail.  Wget is one thing I am still >> confused >>> about, but I have used it several times by cut and pasting.  I am sure >> in time >>> I will understand it too. >>> >>> When I was editing this email, I got the inclination to include the >> previous >>> paragraph.  To read for better understanding, take a look at the last >> line of >>> the second paragraph above.  It should have continued from >> there.------ >>> Sometimes it appeared to be a folder, sometimes it appeared to be a >> file.  No >>> distinction came early enough in training to keep me from looking like >> a fool >>> when already I have installed applications or packages or programs, >> all that I >>> had to learn about, when all were programs in windows.  Repaired >> broken >>> applications, reinstalled the OS. >>> >>> And right now with my limited knowledge, I have a reasonably stable >> copy of >>> Karmic working on this computer and can install Jaunty on my newer >> computer in >>> just 14 minutes including installing the necessary updates.  I can >> configure >>> kmail as fast as any other human, I have done it so many times, but it >> is >>> broken right now, and the only solution I know is to reinstall it. >> The ISP >>> is working properly and configuration is perfect, but the computer will >> not >>> communicate with the ISP.  And although it has been explained before, >> I do not >>> know which files and folders to save so that I won't lose my emails if >> I >>> reinstall or my folders which are more important to me, or my >> addressbook.  If >>> and when I ask for help on this issue, I will probably annoy a very >> good >>> friend, Goh Lip who walked me through it and Eberhard too.  I am so >> sorry, but >>> I lost my records in one of the reinstalls and will have to try the >> archives >>> for the list, to see if I can avoid re-asking the questions.  And >> Bruce, who >>> shouldn't be wasting his time on my posts will probably there with a >> two page >>> scathing. >>> >>> The last time I needed to use kate to edit the sources I was able to >> correct >>> the problem, but quite frankly was experimenting a bit when I knew it >> was >>> dangerous, because I was in sudo, and corrected the mistake by >> comparing the >>> line with the error, to other lines in the list. I didn't know if I >> could >>> delete anything without screwing things up.  I didn't know if removing >> the '>' >>> that was all it took to fix the problem or would cause permanent damage >> to the >>> application.  I just gambled and removed it.  Shortly after I did >> that, I got >>> a reply to an email where I showed line 58, which I might add changed >> from the >>> original line 62 when the problem first surfaced.  It wasn't until >> today that I >>> realized that the sources.list was the same as the kpackagekit GUI >> version of >>> the same directory or folder, I am still not sure which it is, >> directory or >>> folder. >>> >>> You have no idea how many people there are in worse condition than me >> and want >>> to change that situation.  How many of you would want to be openly >> embarrassed >>> like I was with Bruce?  How many of you would even ask a basic >> question?  You >>> are fortunate, you can not be humiliated like that by a practicing >> sadist. >>> You have too much experience and knowledge to have to face him. >>> > >>> > If you are going to continue using the command line you really need >> to have >>> > some basic grasp of what the commands are doing, or you should stop >> using >>> > the command line at all. >>> >>> But by quitting just because it is difficult would destroy one of my >> main >>> objectives.  I have learned more than you know and less than you >> assume.  I >>> have been working blind most of the time.  And when I ask too many, >> what you >>> all consider stupid questions, a Bruce surfaces and tries to break my >> spirit. >>> >>> With my minute knowledge, I use the CLI 99.9% of the time.  And now >> that I >>> know that sources.list is sources.list instead of sources.lst, and >> that it is >>> the same as the one in the GUI, I will start learning how to enter >> PPA's and >>> get Keys using the command line, until that becomes easy. >>> >>> It won't be another year and I will be more like you than I am like >> myself. >>> That is providing I don't get filtered from help. >>> >>> > Most things can be accomplished in the GUI and it >>> > should be extremely rare that  you would actually need to use the >> command >>> > line. >>> I believe that most users are incompetent because of the GUI.  The GUI >> make >>> everything easier,  except to fix something.  And for those who don't >> have much >>> extra money, they can't afford technical help.  I wouldn't have had a >> chance >>> without this list. >>> > >>> > > Is the search I need a boulean (sp) search.  I heard that was the >> google >>> > > browser search type? >>> >>> When I used that term, I was under the impression that Google used a >> boulean >>> search, and it was the best.  I suspected it might be an excellent way >> to >>> search through emails, and if it was an application, perhaps I could >> add it to >>> my computer. >>> >>> Bruce and Donn appear to be important servants of the list, but they >> do not >>> measure up to the quality of the others, at least not to someone of >> lesser >>> experience.   I personally don't want any future help from either of >> them. >>> They are too cruel.  Thanks if you are willing to continue to help me. >> I so >>> appreciate most of you.  This tutorial idea is great, but remember I >> have >>> tried a bit of that too, and when I did, even it was too far over my >> head. >>> Nonetheless, I have learned a lot from the List, and I think I might >> be able >>> to handle them now. >>> >>> When many of you were where I am, you were working on 25mhz computers >> with 8mb >>> of ram.  You barely needed a hard drive, and are partly responsible >> for >>> creating some of the confusing terminology that exists as common >> today. >>> Consider how difficult it might be to enter when I did.  I suppose some >> would be >>> with 200mhz computers and 35mb of ram and a 500mb HDD.  But you get >> my point. >>> >>> I am very happy with where I am  today.  I am planning to move back to >> San >>> Diego in the near future.  When there, I will teach my children and >>> grandchildren what I know to try help them through the learning curve. >> I am >>> so very grateful to you who have a heart and a little compassion and >> not so >>> much killer instinct in your nature. >>> >>> Much love and gratitude, >>> >>> Steven >>> > >>> > ??? what are you trying to ask here? >>> > >>> > John Vifian >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From TonySivori at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 16:48:15 2009 From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:48:15 -0400 Subject: Is Kubuntu 8.04 LTS or Not? Message-ID: I've read that Kubuntu 8.04, unlike Ubuntu 8.04, is not a Long Term Support version. Is Kubuntu 8.04 LTS? If not, what updates and patches will no longer be provided when support ends in October 2009? Will the updates stop for everything (kernel, Python, Flash, etc) or only the KDE components? -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters. From kassube at gmx.net Fri Aug 21 17:33:13 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:33:13 +0200 Subject: Is Kubuntu 8.04 LTS or Not? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908211933.13351.kassube@gmx.net> Tony Sivori wrote: > I've read that Kubuntu 8.04, unlike Ubuntu 8.04, is not a Long Term > Support version. Correct, Kubuntu 8.04 is not LTS. > Is Kubuntu 8.04 LTS? If not, what updates and patches will no longer > be provided when support ends in October 2009? Will the updates stop > for everything (kernel, Python, Flash, etc) or only the KDE > components? I would assume you can then still get updates for those packages which are also in Ubuntu 8.04 but not KDE packages. Nils From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Aug 21 18:20:11 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:20:11 +0200 Subject: Is Kubuntu 8.04 LTS or Not? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Toni, On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 18:48, Tony Sivori wrote: > I've read that Kubuntu 8.04, unlike Ubuntu 8.04, is not a Long Term > Support version. You have read correctly, the KDE part of 8.04 is indeed not LTS. > > Is Kubuntu 8.04 LTS? If not, what updates and patches will no longer be > provided when support ends in October 2009? Will the updates stop for > everything (kernel, Python, Flash, etc) or only the KDE components? Of course only for the KDE3 part, as the underlying system is the same as in Ubuntu 8.04, those elements will have LTS like in the Ubuntu version. FYI, Flash is proprietary and there is no support from Canonical to expect, you should read very carefully what is covered by the Long Term Support. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From jerryturba at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 21 18:25:54 2009 From: jerryturba at sbcglobal.net (jerry) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:25:54 -0700 Subject: Is Kubuntu 8.04 LTS or Not? In-Reply-To: <200908211933.13351.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200908211933.13351.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4A8EE6B2.6010008@sbcglobal.net> Nils Kassube wrote: > Tony Sivori wrote: > >> I've read that Kubuntu 8.04, unlike Ubuntu 8.04, is not a Long Term >> Support version. >> > > Correct, Kubuntu 8.04 is not LTS. > > > >> Is Kubuntu 8.04 LTS? If not, what updates and patches will no longer >> be provided when support ends in October 2009? Will the updates stop >> for everything (kernel, Python, Flash, etc) or only the KDE >> components? >> > > I would assume you can then still get updates for those packages which > are also in Ubuntu 8.04 but not KDE packages. > > > Nils > > > Then why dos the Kubuntu wiki say it is LTS and Hardy Heron 8.04 LTS April 24, 2008 Supported until April 2013 (Server) or April 2011 (Desktop) https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ Should the wiki be corrected? I use Kubuntu and expect the upgrades to continue until 04/2011. Jerry From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 18:55:08 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:55:08 +0200 Subject: Nvidia 9600? In-Reply-To: References: <200908151151.26984.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908201351.19441.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Knapp wrote: >>> Steve >>> I have an AMD 64  x 4 and a 9600 GForce nVidia card that works great. >> >> Steve can you do a test for me? >> >> Start  Blender3d, if you don't have it yet. >> Sudo aptitude install blender >> >> Then see how many vertexes you can have in a shape and still have the >> the sculpt tool working well with quick updates to the screen. >> Because I know this is a new program for you the commands are: >> X and then ok to delete the start up cube. >> space bar -> add -> UVsphere >> tab puts you in edit mode is you are in object mode >> then w1 subdivides and each time you get more verts. >> You can see how many at the top of the screen ( ve 0, 1000, ed 0, 600, >> fa 0, 300). That means vertexes 0 selected 1000 there, then edges, >> then faces. >> >> To get into sculpture mode look at where it says edit mode or object >> mode and select sculpt mode. See if you can sculpt. You will find it >> works well at the start but then as you keep subdividing you will get >> to many verts and the screen update takes like 5 seconds so you can no >> longer work the tool well. >> > > Never used blender or any 3D tool I tried to follow your instruktions. > At Ve:1015810 | Ed:2064384 | Fa:1048576 | Mem:1146.80 (0.09) it > started to take to long times to update. This is on my Asus Nvidia > 9600 GT 512 MB Ram > > / Jonas Thanks for that! Where the instructions good? What did I miss? My system starts to bog down at about 300,000 verts so yours is about 3 times faster. What CPU are you running? I am running a amd x2 64 bit at . . I forget but the slower end. My card is the Nvidia 7600 GS BTW if you ever wanted to do any 3d art or animation or video effects, video or sound editing this program is a blast and very strong. The learning curve is a bear but worth it. Happy to help anyone learn that emails me! My way of giving back to open source. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:33:38 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:33:38 +0200 Subject: Nvidia 9600? In-Reply-To: References: <200908151151.26984.Grokit@ajinfosearch.com> <200908201351.19441.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Knapp wrote: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Jonas Norlander wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Knapp wrote: >>>> Steve >>>> I have an AMD 64  x 4 and a 9600 GForce nVidia card that works great. >>> >>> Steve can you do a test for me? >>> >>> Start  Blender3d, if you don't have it yet. >>> Sudo aptitude install blender >>> >>> Then see how many vertexes you can have in a shape and still have the >>> the sculpt tool working well with quick updates to the screen. >>> Because I know this is a new program for you the commands are: >>> X and then ok to delete the start up cube. >>> space bar -> add -> UVsphere >>> tab puts you in edit mode is you are in object mode >>> then w1 subdivides and each time you get more verts. >>> You can see how many at the top of the screen ( ve 0, 1000, ed 0, 600, >>> fa 0, 300). That means vertexes 0 selected 1000 there, then edges, >>> then faces. >>> >>> To get into sculpture mode look at where it says edit mode or object >>> mode and select sculpt mode. See if you can sculpt. You will find it >>> works well at the start but then as you keep subdividing you will get >>> to many verts and the screen update takes like 5 seconds so you can no >>> longer work the tool well. >>> >> >> Never used blender or any 3D tool I tried to follow your instruktions. >> At Ve:1015810 | Ed:2064384 | Fa:1048576 | Mem:1146.80 (0.09) it >> started to take to long times to update. This is on my Asus Nvidia >> 9600 GT 512 MB Ram >> >> / Jonas > > Thanks for that! Where the instructions good? What did I miss? > My system starts to bog down at about 300,000 verts so yours is about > 3 times faster. What CPU are you running? > > I am running a amd x2 64 bit at . . I forget but the slower end. My > card is the Nvidia 7600 GS > I have a AMD Phenom(tm) 9650 Quad-Core Processor and 4 GB Ram. / Jonas From rjlapham at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 20:12:08 2009 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:12:08 -0400 Subject: Wrong size screen Message-ID: <200908211612.08895.rjlapham@gmail.com> On Sunday I picked up one of the Walmart special $348 Toshiba Satellite L355-S7915 17 inch laptops. I have Kubuntu 9.04 installed and when it boots it comes up in 1024x768 screen size. I have System Settings->Display set to 1440x900 and when I go to it, the screen immediately jumps to 1440x900 but then I have to widen the toolbar, which is a real pain. Any ideas how to make it come up in 1440x900 to begin with? -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= I'm not old; I'm chronologically challenged. From rjlapham at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 20:27:00 2009 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:27:00 -0400 Subject: No sound on new laptop Message-ID: <200908211627.01078.rjlapham@gmail.com> On Sunday I picked up one of the Walmart special $348 Toshiba Satellite L355-S7915 17 inch laptops. I have Kubuntu 9.04 installed and I don't get any sound when I'm viewing a Flash video. I get sound OK in Windows Vista. Any ideas what's wrong? -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Whoever defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results never used a computer. From cosmicnavigation at hotmail.com Fri Aug 21 21:04:37 2009 From: cosmicnavigation at hotmail.com (S B) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:04:37 -0600 Subject: Do I qualify for help? (Kubuntu Internet Connection) Message-ID: 8-21-09 Hello, Can you tell me if I may qualify for your advice? I've posted 3 messages at Ubuntu forum over last couple years, with zero response. Then recently posted to Kubuntu forum, with a few people responding, but nothing has helped. I'm entry level noob, and most noobs are way more knowledgeable than I. So what are the requirements to qualify for help here? Is this the right place or can you direct me to some other linux help? In Kubuntu forum, I've posted under "Help the New Guy", by parvati, problem with KPPP. It should be toward the top. I've been trying to get Ubuntu connected to Internet for years. Now running Kubuntu Jaunty dualboot with M$ XP. Close to admitting I'm not smart enough, and/or Ubuntu and Kubuntu have too many bugs with getting my type of Internet connection up and running. Only viable Internet option is with my Verizon LG cell phone, presently tethered to laptop. Works fine with XP. Any helpful advice would be appreciated. I'm very frustrated with linux; not ready to give up tho... parvati _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Aug 21 21:13:17 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:13:17 +0200 Subject: Do I qualify for help? (Kubuntu Internet Connection) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 23:04, S B wrote: > 8-21-09 > Hello, > Can you tell me if I may qualify for your advice?  I've posted 3 messages at > Ubuntu forum over last couple years, with zero response.  Then recently > posted to Kubuntu forum, with a few people responding, but nothing has > helped.  I'm entry level noob, and most noobs are way more knowledgeable > than I.  So what are the requirements to qualify for help here?  Is this the > right place or can you direct me to some other linux help? Just ask your question here, you will likely get help :) Just be patient as it doesn't come withing minutes and the users of this mailing list are spread around the globe, so you need to take some time zone differences into account. Don't forget to specify the exact version of Kubuntu/KDE you are using when asking questions. Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Aug 21 19:25:27 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:25:27 -0300 Subject: Is Kubuntu 8.04 LTS or Not? References: <200908211933.13351.kassube@gmx.net> <4A8EE6B2.6010008@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <7u83m6-jlu.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> jerry wrote: > Then why dos the Kubuntu wiki say it is LTS and > > Hardy Heron It's a lie, and it's a wiki - 'nuff said. > Supported until April 2013 (Server) or April 2011 (Desktop) > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ > > Should the wiki be corrected? > I use Kubuntu and expect the upgrades to continue until 04/2011. Expect all you want, but you won't be getting KDE updates. -- derek From prhkde at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 01:08:11 2009 From: prhkde at gmail.com (Paul) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:08:11 -0400 Subject: Very small font Message-ID: <200908212108.12021.prhkde@gmail.com> I am brand new to linux and I just installed kubuntu 9.04 and I have extremely small fonts. I changed the default size in the system settings and most KDE apps are looking OK but there is a lot of things that the font is too small to read, I have a good computer and use a 32 inch Protron flat screen TV as my monitor. The font size on Thunderbird is like 2 points, very unreadable. I cannot find any options that change this. Does anybody else know where to look so that I can change this? Thank you, Paul From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Sat Aug 22 03:04:59 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:04:59 -0500 Subject: Very small font In-Reply-To: <200908212108.12021.prhkde@gmail.com> References: <200908212108.12021.prhkde@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908212204.59669.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Friday 21 August 2009 08:08:11 pm Paul wrote: > I am brand new to linux and I just installed kubuntu 9.04 and I have extremely > small fonts. I changed the default size in the system settings and most KDE > apps are looking OK but there is a lot of things that the font is too small to > read, I have a good computer and use a 32 inch Protron flat screen TV as my > monitor. The font size on Thunderbird is like 2 points, very unreadable. I > cannot find any options that change this. Does anybody else know where to look > so that I can change this? > > Thank you, > Paul Hello, Paul -- You simply MUST learn to use your menu-bars! A friend of mine runs Thunderbird under win-doze XP, and I took a look at it there (since I use KMail, which is natural to the KDE). The third entry from the left is called "View". When I made that selection, I saw an option called "Text Size", and which gives entirely adequate directions. Furthermore, although I do not know where it may be documented for you -- and I have "instructed" more than one "technical support specialist" on it -- but there are many applications (especially browsers) which will enlarge a font when you hold down the "Ctrl" key while tapping the "+and =" key almost as many times as you would really want to! Those applications will also reduce the size when you replace "+and=" with the "_and-". The shift key is irrelevant to this usage. I hope this helps you! From fmause_1999 at yahoo.de Sat Aug 22 03:28:49 2009 From: fmause_1999 at yahoo.de (Frank Mause) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:28:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: AW: Do I qualify for help? 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How interesting, it doesn't appear to be installed by default in Karmic Alpha 4 - I'm sure it was in previous versions. sudo apt-get install kpackagekit will get it. -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From evandromyller at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 07:38:16 2009 From: evandromyller at gmail.com (Evandro Myller) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:38:16 -0300 Subject: kpackagekit In-Reply-To: <200908221733.23000.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> References: <200908221733.23000.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> Message-ID: i alreadt have it installed; the problem is that it crashes every time i try to run it. i noticed that one of the problem i got was reported in launchpad, and many other people reported the problem. now i'm getting another problem: i try to view 'Software Updates' and it just closes. terminal output: Error, cannot create transaction proxy empty tid, the daemon is probably not here anymore it's weird. On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Lindsay Mathieson < lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:20:00 pm Evandro Myller wrote: > > Hi > > I just upgraded from jaunty to karmic (through update-manager). > > > > kpackagekit is not working here. is it working normally @ karmic? > > > > i'm using kubuntu-experimental repository @ ppa.launchpad. > > > > thanks. > > > How interesting, it doesn't appear to be installed by default in Karmic > Alpha > 4 - I'm sure it was in previous versions. wow, good to know that. > > > sudo apt-get install kpackagekit > > will get it. > > -- > Lindsay > http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- E. Myller Front-end engineer / architect http://emyller.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not sure but I guess that on a TV you need a lower DPI then on a monitor. / Jonas From mailinglist at endosquid.com Sat Aug 22 08:18:17 2009 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:18:17 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908201910.45892.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141957.04223.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908201910.45892.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908220418.17625.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Thursday 20 August 2009, Steven Vollom wrote: > (Trimmed) > > Dear Bruce, > > You make it difficult to respond. However, if I am frustrating you or > anyone. Please don't respond to my posts. Please, guys, take this offline. Huge waste of bandwidth (myself included). From mailinglist at endosquid.com Sat Aug 22 08:47:37 2009 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:47:37 -0400 Subject: sane In-Reply-To: <200908201910.45892.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200908091755.27437.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908141957.04223.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <200908201910.45892.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200908220447.37713.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Thursday 20 August 2009, Steven Vollom wrote: > (Trimmed) > > Dear Bruce, > > You make it difficult to respond. However, if I am frustrating you or > anyone. Please don't respond to my posts. Please, guys, take this offline. Huge waste of bandwidth (myself included). From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Sat Aug 22 09:18:09 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:18:09 +0100 Subject: Wrong size screen In-Reply-To: <200908211612.08895.rjlapham@gmail.com> References: <200908211612.08895.rjlapham@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908221018.09412.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Friday 21 Aug 2009 21:12:08 Jerry Lapham wrote: > On Sunday I picked up one of the Walmart special $348 Toshiba Satellite > L355-S7915 17 inch laptops. I have Kubuntu 9.04 installed and when it boots > it comes up in 1024x768 screen size. I have System Settings->Display set to > 1440x900 and when I go to it, the screen immediately jumps to 1440x900 but > then I have to widen the toolbar, which is a real pain. > > Any ideas how to make it come up in 1440x900 to begin with? > > -Jerry > Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the resolution under the Monitor section, eg: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" Option "PreferredMode" "1440x900" EndSection Mark From dave at thefletchers.net Sat Aug 22 12:19:15 2009 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:19:15 +0100 Subject: Astronomy and Computerised Telescopes In-Reply-To: <880dece00904181206i5b072ddar6f8990c8c9f74bdf@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904181225.59588.dave@thefletchers.net> <200904181957.06120.dave@thefletchers.net> <880dece00904181206i5b072ddar6f8990c8c9f74bdf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908221319.15397.dave@thefletchers.net> On Saturday 18 Apr 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I will do this. > > > > Great, let us know what they say! > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > The last posting to this thread was on 19th April, so for those who don't remember what it's about, I would like to have proper Linux support for the Autostar units supplied with Meade telescopes, i.e. a Linux version of the Autostar update software. This is the reply I eventually received from Meade, with a lot of help from a very good friend who lives in Phoenix (I'm in the UK) who was happy to use their toll free number to make a suitable nuisance of herself:- Thank you for you letter dated, 5/20.    I do apologize for the late response, but your letter was misrouted and only made it to me today. I want to acknowledge Mr. Fletcher's request, but sadly there are no current plans to offer Linux Support with our Autostar Updater.   In fact, Mac support would take precedence over Linux based on the shear number of Mac users.   However, that project is still scheduled for some time in the future.   No release date is known at this time.  I have forwarded your request to our engineering department for consideration in the future.     The lack of Linux support should not detract from the telescope as a stand alone product. Its on-board computer has more than 100,000 objects and can offer a lifetime of enjoyment without ever having been connected to a lap-top.     Kind regards, I sent a reply to the originator of this message at Meade on 11th August, but no reply so far. If anybody else would like to email him to demonstrate that there is a large number of folks out here who would like Linux support, and just might purchase telescopes from them when this is provided, then please contact me privately and I will supply his name and email address. Dave Fletcher -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From TonySivori at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 16:37:05 2009 From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:37:05 -0400 Subject: Is Kubuntu 8.04 LTS or Not? References: Message-ID: Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > Of course only for the KDE3 part, as the underlying system is the same > as in Ubuntu 8.04, those elements will have LTS like in the Ubuntu > version. Considering that I was expecting all updates to end in October, that is very good news. > FYI, Flash is proprietary and there is no support from Canonical to > expect, you should read very carefully what is covered by the Long Term > Support. I'll do that. Thank you. -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters. From cosmicnavigation at hotmail.com Sat Aug 22 18:53:02 2009 From: cosmicnavigation at hotmail.com (S B) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:53:02 -0600 Subject: AW: Do I qualify for help? (Kubuntu Internet Connection) In-Reply-To: <545083.22319.qm@web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <545083.22319.qm@web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:28:49 +0000 From: fmause_1999 at yahoo.de Subject: AW: Do I qualify for help? (Kubuntu Internet Connection) To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Good morning, you are using Kubuntu with a 56k-modem or why do you use kpp ? Tell me. CU. Frank 8-21-09 Hello, Can you tell me if I may qualify for your advice? I've posted 3 messages at Ubuntu forum over last couple years, with zero response. Then recently posted to Kubuntu forum, with a few people responding, but nothing has helped. I'm entry level noob, and most noobs are way more knowledgeable than I. So what are the requirements to qualify for help here? Is this the right place or can you direct me to some other linux help? 8-22-09 ...12:50pm mountain time u.s. Hi. I have Verizon LG cell phone tethered to laptop. Connecting to Internet via cell phone used as modem, works fine with Windows XP. Can't get it to work in Kubuntu. Actually in the process of trying to solve this problem, I removed kppp. Is the 56k modem being used? I'm connecting via cell phone modem. parvati _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlapham at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 22:53:55 2009 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:53:55 -0400 Subject: Wrong size screen In-Reply-To: <200908221018.09412.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <200908211612.08895.rjlapham@gmail.com> <200908221018.09412.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <200908221853.55438.rjlapham@gmail.com> On Saturday 22 August 2009 5:18:09 am Mark Greenwood wrote: > On Friday 21 Aug 2009 21:12:08 Jerry Lapham wrote: > > On Sunday I picked up one of the Walmart special $348 Toshiba Satellite > > L355-S7915 17 inch laptops. I have Kubuntu 9.04 installed and when it > > boots it comes up in 1024x768 screen size. I have System > > Settings->Display set to 1440x900 and when I go to it, the screen > > immediately jumps to 1440x900 but then I have to widen the toolbar, which > > is a real pain. > > > > Any ideas how to make it come up in 1440x900 to begin with? > > > > -Jerry > > Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the resolution under the Monitor section, > eg: > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Configured Monitor" > Option "PreferredMode" "1440x900" > EndSection > > Mark That worked. Thanks. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul." --George Bernard Shaw From cosmicnavigation at hotmail.com Sun Aug 23 14:10:15 2009 From: cosmicnavigation at hotmail.com (S B) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:10:15 -0600 Subject: Need code for Internet connection Message-ID: 8-23-09 8am MT US Here is some relevant information concerning my problem with Internet connection: Issue: Need code to connect to Internet Method: Verizon LG VX4500 cell phone tethered to laptop Running: Kubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Kernel 2.6.28-14 generic KDE 4.2.2 Ports. Laptop has 4 USB ports, 2 on left, 2 on right. My cell phone is connected to the Right Front Port--via USB cable. This old how-to from 2005 explains my exact type of Internect connection for an outdated version of Ubuntu, using the 'integrated Networking setup utility' (Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary): www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Verizon_Cell_Phone_Internet Link to my recent topic at Kubuntu Forum: www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3105773.0 parvati _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sun Aug 23 14:31:40 2009 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:31:40 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 9.04 and KDE 4.x Message-ID: <200908231531.41039.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> My dad was having problems with his Windows computer so I decided to put a spare hard drive in it and install Kubuntu 9.04. I'm still using 8.04 on the 3 desktop computers in this household as I didn't think it was ready, but having had a play with it for a couple of days I'm beginning to like it. There are still a few apps that don't seem to have been ported like KAudioCreator, but DigiKam is getting better and I think I could get used to Amarok. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Sun Aug 23 15:55:41 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Need code for Internet connection References: Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:10:15 -0600, S B wrote: > 8-23-09 8am MT US > Here is some relevant information concerning my problem with Internet > connection: > Issue: Need code to connect to Internet > > Method: Verizon LG VX4500 cell phone tethered to laptop > > Running: > > Kubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Kernel 2.6.28-14 generic > > KDE 4.2.2 > Ports. Laptop has 4 USB ports, 2 on left, 2 on right. My cell phone is > connected to the Right Front Port--via USB cable. > This old how-to from 2005 explains my exact type of Internect connection > for an outdated version of Ubuntu, using the 'integrated Networking > setup utility' (Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary): > > www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/ Verizon_Cell_Phone_Internet > Link to my recent topic at Kubuntu Forum: > > www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3105773.0 I think they are really trying hard to help you on that forum. The problem seems to be that you can't download gnome-ppp, which you need for your Internet connection, because you have no internet connection :( They suggest: If you have another computer with access to the net, use that, copy the file to a removable flash disk or something, then copy it to your Kubuntu box. If there are dependencies, play safe and copy them too. You will need to install the dependencies before you can install gnome-ppp. Once installed, you should be able to connect via your cellphone. Since you have an internet connection when booting Windows XP, you could use that to download the needed files. If you have problems doing that, I suggest you ask for instructions on that forum or this list. Good luck! -Frans From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sun Aug 23 16:08:41 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:08:41 +0200 Subject: Need code for Internet connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908231808.42257.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Sunday 23 August 2009 16:10:15 S B, vous avez écrit : > Link to my recent topic at Kubuntu Forum: > > www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3105773.0 > >   Sorry, I have no experience with internet through cell phone but if you really have to install programs from internet your are in a catch 22 situation. Perhaps you can get acces to cabled or wifi internet someplace where you can work on your problem. It is also possible to add a CD to your repos, but I newer tried myself to create such a CD (you could do that form M$, since you have dual boot)... perhaps someone here can help. BTW, did you install from a CD or a DVD? I ask because I have a vague notion those can be added to the repos, and of course the DVD would be more complete. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #284: Electrons on a bender From Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Sun Aug 23 18:32:00 2009 From: Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:32:00 +0200 Subject: Yeeha - soundproblems Intel HDA Message-ID: <200908232032.00573.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Hi to all, Had soundproblems ever since i bought a new laptop serveral months ago! I tried several things... Using Kubuntu 9.04... But my intel HDA audio would not work. Now i've upgraded to 9.10 A4 and Yeeeeha. The sound is there! Grtz, Karl From rsavagejr at hotmail.com Sun Aug 23 21:45:32 2009 From: rsavagejr at hotmail.com (R. John Savage Jr.) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:45:32 -0700 Subject: Yeeha - soundproblems Intel HDA In-Reply-To: <200908232032.00573.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> References: <200908232032.00573.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: Hi Karl I have the same chip set on a new HP laptop and all I can get is headphone sound witch is adequate for now. I have also been looking for a solution. Looks like I have hope for the future with the new release in October. Thanks for the heads up! John S. > From: Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Yeeha - soundproblems Intel HDA > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:32:00 +0200 > > Hi to all, > > Had soundproblems ever since i bought a new laptop serveral months ago! > I tried several things... Using Kubuntu 9.04... But my intel HDA audio would > not work. > > Now i've upgraded to 9.10 A4 and Yeeeeha. The sound is there! > > Grtz, Karl > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juergen.sauer at automatix.de Mon Aug 24 07:37:17 2009 From: juergen.sauer at automatix.de (Juergen Sauer) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:37:17 +0200 Subject: General Amarok 2 problem with nfs based installtions (Karmic Koala, KDE 4.3, Amarok 2.1.x) Message-ID: <200908240937.17964.juergen.sauer@automatix.de> Hi! We ran here into an ugly amarok behavior. If the files for amarok 2.1 collections and the user-homed collection files are nfs-server resided, amarok shows up a critical behavior. Scanning the collection again and again and again causes NFS Server to nearly breakdown. See also here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204137 Has anyone a workourond for this ugly behavior ? TIA, J. Sauer -- Jürgen Sauer - automatiX GmbH, +49-4209-4699, juergen.sauer at automatix.de Das Linux Systemhaus - Service - Support - Server - Lösungen Geschäftsführer (Managing Director): Jürgen Sauer, Gerichtstand: Amtsgericht Walsrode • HRB 120986 Ust-Id: DE191468481 • St.Nr.: 36/201/14198 From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 08:13:29 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:13:29 +0200 Subject: VLC for 8.04 Message-ID: I have been trying to get the latest VLC to work for me but I can't seem to get the newer versions to run because of dependency problems. Is it possible? How? Current working version on my system. VLC media player 0.8.6e Janus Kubuntu 8.04 64 bit. Thanks! -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Aug 24 13:08:29 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:08:29 -0400 Subject: VLC for 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A9290CD.20301@midmaine.com> Knapp wrote: > I have been trying to get the latest VLC to work for me but I can't > seem to get the newer versions to run because of dependency problems. > Is it possible? How? > > Current working version on my system. > VLC media player 0.8.6e Janus > > Kubuntu 8.04 64 bit. > Thanks! > What are the specific dependency problems you are having? clay From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 13:19:58 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:19:58 +0200 Subject: VLC for 8.04 In-Reply-To: <4A9290CD.20301@midmaine.com> References: <4A9290CD.20301@midmaine.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:08 PM, clay weber wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> I have been trying to get the latest VLC to work for me but I can't >> seem to get the newer versions to run because of dependency problems. >> Is it possible? How? >> >> Current working version on my system. >> VLC media player 0.8.6e Janus >> >> Kubuntu 8.04 64 bit. >> Thanks! >> > > What are the specific dependency problems you are having? > > > clay I just undid all that and don't have them. I could go back and redo it all. There were 28 of them, I think. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Aug 24 13:48:39 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:48:39 -0400 Subject: VLC for 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: <4A9290CD.20301@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4A929A37.60009@midmaine.com> Knapp wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:08 PM, clay weber wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >>> I have been trying to get the latest VLC to work for me but I can't >>> seem to get the newer versions to run because of dependency problems. >>> Is it possible? How? >>> >>> Current working version on my system. >>> VLC media player 0.8.6e Janus >>> >>> Kubuntu 8.04 64 bit. >>> Thanks! >>> >> What are the specific dependency problems you are having? >> >> >> clay > > I just undid all that and don't have them. I could go back and redo it > all. There were 28 of them, I think. > > Actually I should be asking what version/where you are getting vlc from. I am guessing that it is a qt4 issue as the newest vlc needs QT4, while hardy has qt3 - not sure if there are qt4 packages for hardy or not clay From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 14:34:38 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:34:38 +0200 Subject: VLC for 8.04 In-Reply-To: <4A929A37.60009@midmaine.com> References: <4A9290CD.20301@midmaine.com> <4A929A37.60009@midmaine.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:48 PM, clay weber wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:08 PM, clay weber wrote: >>> Knapp wrote: >>>> I have been trying to get the latest VLC to work for me but I can't >>>> seem to get the newer versions to run because of dependency problems. >>>> Is it possible? How? >>>> >>>> Current working version on my system. >>>> VLC media player 0.8.6e Janus >>>> >>>> Kubuntu 8.04 64 bit. >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>> What are the specific dependency problems you are having? >>> >>> >>> clay >> >> I just undid all that and don't have them. I could go back and redo it >> all. There were 28 of them, I think. >> >> > > Actually I should be asking what version/where you are getting vlc from. > I am guessing that it is a qt4 issue as the newest vlc needs QT4, while > hardy has qt3 - not sure if there are qt4 packages for hardy or not > > clay That could well be the problem. I do have qt4 installed because I was making a program with it. I got it from https://launchpad.net/~c-korn/+archive/vlc deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/c-korn/vlc/ubuntu hardy main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/c-korn/vlc/ubuntu hardy main So thinking that I would give you the debug info I redid it, only this time it worked. Why?? It could be that it is because there was a big update before I did the install and I did not reboot. I rebooted since then and now it works. Running .9.9a Thanks for the help anyway! -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From johndecarlo at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 15:22:53 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:22:53 -0400 Subject: Startup and Shutdown Sound Volume Message-ID: <3dde113c0908240822h2277282exd2a2b6001000915b@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have tried Googling and searching, but have not found where in Jaunty to manage the volume of the startup and shutdown (login, logout?) sounds. They are literally the loudest sounds that ever come out of my computer speakers. I have tried turning up the volume to maximum on all of my mixer settings and still can't get sounds that loud. Any help finding and changing this setting would be much appreciated. Thanks. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems to me that they may have just been badly mixed. --Rob -- Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route. ============================== Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ============================== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1.2 GCS/S/M/MU d- s+: a30 C++(+++) UL++++>$ P++ L+++ E+ W+ N+ o+ K++ w--- O- M !V PS+ PE Y+ PGP(+) t+ 5++ X++ R tv b+++ DI+++ D++(---) G++ e+ h- r++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Mon Aug 24 16:07:19 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:07:19 -0500 Subject: Startup and Shutdown Sound Volume In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908240822h2277282exd2a2b6001000915b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dde113c0908240822h2277282exd2a2b6001000915b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908241107.19570.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Monday 24 August 2009 10:22:53 am John DeCarlo wrote: > Hello, > > I have tried Googling and searching, but have not found where in Jaunty to > manage the volume of the startup and shutdown (login, logout?) sounds. > > They are literally the loudest sounds that ever come out of my computer > speakers. I have tried turning up the volume to maximum on all of my mixer > settings and still can't get sounds that loud. > > Any help finding and changing this setting would be much appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf > Hello, John -- I'm not sure whether your goal is to increase the volume on "other things" or to reduce the volume of startup and shutdown sounds! Assuming the latter -- personally, I find these sounds to be obnoxious in the extreme!!! -- I click on the "speaker" icon on the system tray, and then click on the "Mute" check-box. That gives me the great peace of NO noise. You CAN adjust the volume there, if that is what you want. Sometimes it seems to take effect only after rebooting, but sometimes it seems to take effect immediately. I hope this helps. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 16:30:56 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:30:56 +0300 Subject: Startup and Shutdown Sound Volume In-Reply-To: <200908241107.19570.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <3dde113c0908240822h2277282exd2a2b6001000915b@mail.gmail.com> <200908241107.19570.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <15edeae40908240930i3d942b8aj3ec41985651d2cd0@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/24 Bruce MacArthur : > On Monday 24 August 2009 10:22:53 am John DeCarlo wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have tried Googling and searching, but have not found where in > Jaunty to >> manage the volume of the startup and shutdown (login, logout?) sounds. >> >> They are literally the loudest sounds that ever come out of my > computer >> speakers.  I have tried turning up the volume to maximum on all of my > mixer >> settings and still can't get sounds that loud. >> >> Any help finding and changing this setting would be much appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own >> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf >> > Hello, John -- > I'm not sure whether your goal is to increase the volume on "other > things" or to reduce the volume of startup and shutdown sounds! > Assuming the latter -- personally, I find these sounds to be obnoxious in > the extreme!!! -- I click on the "speaker" icon on the system tray, and > then click on the "Mute" check-box.  That gives me the great peace of NO > noise.  You CAN adjust the volume there, if that is what you want. > Sometimes it seems to take effect only after rebooting, but sometimes it > seems to take effect immediately.  I hope this helps. > > > i have the same problem and question. i have 2 speakers wich don't have a volume control, they are always set at the loudest. i have to control them from the OS's volume control. for all sounds, this works perfectly. but the startup sound doesn't abide by the volume specified in kmix, which is quite annoying, specially while working at night. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From jongleur at liripipe.com Mon Aug 24 17:01:35 2009 From: jongleur at liripipe.com (John L Vifian) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:01:35 -0700 Subject: Startup and Shutdown Sound Volume In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908240822h2277282exd2a2b6001000915b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dde113c0908240822h2277282exd2a2b6001000915b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908241001.35783.jongleur@liripipe.com> On Monday 24 August 2009 8:22:53 am John DeCarlo wrote: > I have tried Googling and searching, but have not found where in Jaunty to > manage the volume of the startup and shutdown (login, logout?) sounds. > > They are literally the loudest sounds that ever come out of my computer > speakers. I have tried turning up the volume to maximum on all of my mixer > settings and still can't get sounds that loud. > > Any help finding and changing this setting would be much appreciated. You can turn them off in SystemSettings->Notifications->Event Source = KDE System Notifications. John Vifian -- If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. Dave Berry From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Mon Aug 24 17:04:57 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:04:57 -0500 Subject: Startup and Shutdown Sound Volume In-Reply-To: <15edeae40908240930i3d942b8aj3ec41985651d2cd0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dde113c0908240822h2277282exd2a2b6001000915b@mail.gmail.com> <200908241107.19570.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <15edeae40908240930i3d942b8aj3ec41985651d2cd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908241204.57394.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Monday 24 August 2009 11:30:56 am Willy Hamra wrote: > 2009/8/24 Bruce MacArthur : > > On Monday 24 August 2009 10:22:53 am John DeCarlo wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I have tried Googling and searching, but have not found where in > > Jaunty to > >> manage the volume of the startup and shutdown (login, logout?) sounds. > >> > >> They are literally the loudest sounds that ever come out of my > > computer > >> speakers. I have tried turning up the volume to maximum on all of my > > mixer > >> settings and still can't get sounds that loud. > >> > >> Any help finding and changing this setting would be much appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -- > >> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > >> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf > >> > > Hello, John -- > > I'm not sure whether your goal is to increase the volume on "other > > things" or to reduce the volume of startup and shutdown sounds! > > Assuming the latter -- personally, I find these sounds to be obnoxious in > > the extreme!!! -- I click on the "speaker" icon on the system tray, and > > then click on the "Mute" check-box. That gives me the great peace of NO > > noise. You CAN adjust the volume there, if that is what you want. > > Sometimes it seems to take effect only after rebooting, but sometimes it > > seems to take effect immediately. I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > i have the same problem and question. i have 2 speakers wich don't > have a volume control, they are always set at the loudest. i have to > control them from the OS's volume control. for all sounds, this works > perfectly. but the startup sound doesn't abide by the volume specified > in kmix, which is quite annoying, specially while working at night. > > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Hello, Willy -- As a general rule, every (computer-style!) speaker SYSTEM has an external volume control -- even though it tends to be a single control for all related speakers! That control is always useful. KMix is also a very good control -- at least most of the time. When it seems to be inadequate, I still suggest using the simplistic control that pops up when you click on the "speaker icon" in the system tray. It is not quite the same thing as KMix-in-a-single-control, and it is well worth trying! From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Mon Aug 24 17:59:47 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Startup and Shutdown Sound Volume References: <3dde113c0908240822h2277282exd2a2b6001000915b@mail.gmail.com> <200908241107.19570.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <15edeae40908240930i3d942b8aj3ec41985651d2cd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:30:56 +0300, Willy Hamra wrote: > i have the same problem and question. i have 2 speakers wich don't have > a volume control, they are always set at the loudest. i have to control > them from the OS's volume control. for all sounds, this works perfectly. > but the startup sound doesn't abide by the volume specified in kmix, > which is quite annoying, specially while working at night. Well, maybe the startup sound is played _before_ the KDE desktop is loaded, and kmix may not yet have _restored_ your 'normal' volume levels. There should be several solutions, but the simplest one may be to just locate (1) the startup sound file and use a sound editor like audacity to lower the sound level :) -Frans From guethling at googlemail.com Mon Aug 24 18:48:49 2009 From: guethling at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sascha_G=FCthling?=) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:48:49 -0400 Subject: Yeeha - soundproblems Intel HDA In-Reply-To: References: <200908232032.00573.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <8abf83c20908241148q2efffd93l294de2effe380e05@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:45 PM, R. John Savage Jr. wrote: > > Hi Karl > I have the same chip set on a new HP laptop and all I can get is headphone sound witch is adequate for now. I have also been looking for a solution. Looks like I have hope for the future with the new release in October. > > Thanks for the heads up! > > John S. > > > > > From: Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Yeeha - soundproblems Intel HDA > > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:32:00 +0200 > > > > Hi to all, > > > > Had soundproblems ever since i bought a new laptop serveral months ago! > > I tried several things... Using Kubuntu 9.04... But my intel HDA audio would > > not work. > > > > Now i've upgraded to 9.10 A4 and Yeeeeha. The sound is there! > > > > Grtz, Karl > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Hi Karl and John, I had problems with my sound on an HP DV4 Laptop with Intel HDA too. This thread helped me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1043568 Have a look at it. Take care Sascha From charles.abela at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 07:51:41 2009 From: charles.abela at gmail.com (Charles Abela) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:51:41 +0200 Subject: New version of knetworkmanager Message-ID: <5908cca00908250051j2b6bc011h85b5ac78a4abad48@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've been told that there is a newer version of knetworkmanager then the one supplied via sudo aptitude install knetworkmanger, which is less buggy. The one being supplied is version: 0.1~svn1002781-0ubuntu2~ > > jaunty1~ppa1. From where can I get the latest stable version? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From errol at tzora.co.il Wed Aug 26 05:14:03 2009 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:14:03 +0300 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 Message-ID: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> I have 2 computers using Kubuntu 9.04. My problem is with the adobe flash on one computer. On the computer with KDE 4.2.2 flash works without a problem. This is a 32 bit installation. The computer with KDE 4.3 refuses to "activate" flash. This is a 64 bit installation Both computers were updated to use Firefox 3.5. What happens (on the KDE 4.3 computer) is that I install flashplayer 10, am informed that the flash was installed correctly. When I reopen Firefox I still see the "missing plugin" message that requests me to install Adobe flash. I don't know if this is connected to the KDE 4.3 upgrade or to the fact that one computer is 64 bit and the other 32 bit. On both computers I upgraded to Firefox 3.5 at the same time, after I had updated to KDE 4.3 on the one computer. I have tried many ways to install Flashplayer 10, including various script written here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-64bit.html On both computers when using Firefox 3.1 I didn't have a flash problem. There are two major differences between the two computers which confound the problem for me. 1. The problem computer is 64 bit 2. The problem computer uses KDE 4.3 What can I do to try and solve this problem? TIA Errol From kaj at haulrich.net Wed Aug 26 07:25:06 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:25:06 +0200 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <200908260925.07081.kaj@haulrich.net> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 07:14:03 Errol Sapir wrote: > I have 2 computers using Kubuntu 9.04. My problem is with the > adobe flash on one computer. On the computer with KDE 4.2.2 flash > works without a problem. This is a 32 bit installation. The > computer with KDE 4.3 refuses to "activate" flash. This is a 64 > bit installation Both computers were updated to use Firefox 3.5. > What happens (on the KDE 4.3 computer) is that I install > flashplayer 10, am informed that the flash was installed > correctly. When I reopen Firefox I still see the "missing plugin" > message that requests me to install Adobe flash. I don't know if > this is connected to the KDE 4.3 upgrade or to the fact that one > computer is 64 bit and the other 32 bit. On both computers I > upgraded to Firefox 3.5 at the same time, after I had updated to > KDE 4.3 on the one computer. I have tried many ways to install > Flashplayer 10, including various script written here: > http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-64bit >.html On both computers when using Firefox 3.1 I didn't have a > flash problem. There are two major differences between the two > computers which confound the problem for me. > 1. The problem computer is 64 bit > 2. The problem computer uses KDE 4.3 > What can I do to try and solve this problem? I would try the following: Open dolphin and switch the 'split' option on. In the left pane, navigate to /etc/alternatives. In the right pane, navigate to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins Now, drag the file 'firefox-flashplugin' from the left pane to the right and select the option 'link here'. It should show up as 'flashplugin-alternative.so'. (It doesn't harm to do likewise with other 'plugins'-directories as well, like /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) Restart firefox and enjoy - hopefully... (BTW: if you have Google Chrome installed, you'll need to manually create the 'plugins' directory in the chrome directory and proceed as described. Then, in the menu-editor add '--enable-plugins' to the command line). Hope that helps Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 ********* From errol at tzora.co.il Wed Aug 26 08:15:27 2009 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:15:27 +0300 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <200908260925.07081.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908260925.07081.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <4A94EF1F.6010303@tzora.co.il> Kaj Thanks for the quick reply. I will try it when I get home and report. By the way I just learned another useful function from you. I never knew about the split option in dolphin. :-[ Thanks for that as well. Errol Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 07:14:03 Errol Sapir wrote: > >> I have 2 computers using Kubuntu 9.04. My problem is with the >> adobe flash on one computer. On the computer with KDE 4.2.2 flash >> works without a problem. This is a 32 bit installation. The >> computer with KDE 4.3 refuses to "activate" flash. This is a 64 >> bit installation Both computers were updated to use Firefox 3.5. >> What happens (on the KDE 4.3 computer) is that I install >> flashplayer 10, am informed that the flash was installed >> correctly. When I reopen Firefox I still see the "missing plugin" >> message that requests me to install Adobe flash. I don't know if >> this is connected to the KDE 4.3 upgrade or to the fact that one >> computer is 64 bit and the other 32 bit. On both computers I >> upgraded to Firefox 3.5 at the same time, after I had updated to >> KDE 4.3 on the one computer. I have tried many ways to install >> Flashplayer 10, including various script written here: >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-64bit >> .html On both computers when using Firefox 3.1 I didn't have a >> flash problem. There are two major differences between the two >> computers which confound the problem for me. >> 1. The problem computer is 64 bit >> 2. The problem computer uses KDE 4.3 >> What can I do to try and solve this problem? >> > > I would try the following: > Open dolphin and switch the 'split' option on. > In the left pane, navigate to /etc/alternatives. > In the right pane, navigate to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins > Now, drag the file 'firefox-flashplugin' from the left pane to the > right and select the option 'link here'. It should show up as > 'flashplugin-alternative.so'. > > (It doesn't harm to do likewise with other 'plugins'-directories as > well, like /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) > > Restart firefox and enjoy - hopefully... > > (BTW: if you have Google Chrome installed, you'll need to manually > create the 'plugins' directory in the chrome directory and proceed > as described. Then, in the menu-editor add '--enable-plugins' to the > command line). > > Hope that helps > > Kaj Haulrich. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charles.abela at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 08:38:42 2009 From: charles.abela at gmail.com (Charles Abela) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:38:42 +0200 Subject: kstartupconfig error 127 after updating Message-ID: <5908cca00908260138u346eb428sc80d0b65f4255fb9@mail.gmail.com> After updating my kubuntu 9.04 yesterday, I restarted and everything ran fine. However later on I had to restart again and started getting a message of this sort when I tried to log in a KDE session: kstartupconfig not found or failing. Error 127 check your installation. I can however log into Gnome with both users, cause I have a kde-devel user as well. I thought that maybe it was related to the nvidia driver, so I removed it and reactivated. I was using an extended desktop at the time together with Xephyr to run a virtual session. However I do not know whether these have anything to do with this problem at all. I tried to google for this msg but could not find a suitable solution. Does anyone have any idea? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charles.abela at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 08:50:05 2009 From: charles.abela at gmail.com (Charles Abela) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:50:05 +0200 Subject: kstartupconfig error 127 after updating Message-ID: <5908cca00908260150n7202b69cp2dd838963cfe51e7@mail.gmail.com> With regards to the previous email here is my xsession.errors content: /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... Setting IM through im-switch for locale=en_GB. Start IM through /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/all_ALL linked to /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default. /usr/bin/xmodmap: unable to open file '/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu.xmodmap' for reading /usr/bin/xmodmap: 1 error encountered, aborting. I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE. I: caps.c: Dropping root privileges. I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE. N: main.c: Called SUID root and real-time and/or high-priority scheduling was requested in the configuration. However, we lack the necessary privileges: N: main.c: We are not in group 'pulse-rt', PolicyKit refuse to grant us the requested privileges and we have no increase RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits. N: main.c: For enabling real-time/high-priority scheduling please acquire the appropriate PolicyKit privileges, or become a member of 'pulse-rt', or increase the RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits for this user. ** Message: Another GPG agent already running gnome-session[4467]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file /etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier-kde.desktop: Key file does not have key 'Type' gnome-session[4467]: WARNING: could not read /etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier-kde.desktop GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET=/tmp/keyring-c3vulX/socket SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-c3vulX/socket.ssh (gnome-settings-daemon:4574): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_propagate_error: assertion `src != NULL' failed (gnome-settings-daemon:4574): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_propagate_error: assertion `src != NULL' failed Checking for Xgl: not present. xset q doesn't reveal the location of the log file. Using fallback /var/log/Xorg.0.log Detected PCI ID for VGA: Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present. 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URL: From kaj at haulrich.net Wed Aug 26 08:59:33 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:59:33 +0200 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <4A94EF1F.6010303@tzora.co.il> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908260925.07081.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A94EF1F.6010303@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <200908261059.33465.kaj@haulrich.net> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:15:27 Errol Sapir wrote: I have moved your reply to the correct position: below my reply to your original question. Please do not top-post. It breaks the thread and makes it very hard for eventual others to follow solutions. No offense intended, just list etiquette... On Wednesday 26 August 2009 07:14:03 Errol Sapir wrote: > >> I have 2 computers using Kubuntu 9.04. My problem is with the > >> adobe flash on one computer. On the computer with KDE 4.2.2 > >> flash works without a problem. This is a 32 bit installation. > >> The computer with KDE 4.3 refuses to "activate" flash. This is > >> a 64 bit installation Both computers were updated to use > >> Firefox 3.5. What happens (on the KDE 4.3 computer) is that I > >> install flashplayer 10, am informed that the flash was > >> installed correctly. When I reopen Firefox I still see the > >> "missing plugin" message that requests me to install Adobe > >> flash. I don't know if this is connected to the KDE 4.3 > >> upgrade or to the fact that one computer is 64 bit and the > >> other 32 bit. On both computers I upgraded to Firefox 3.5 at > >> the same time, after I had updated to KDE 4.3 on the one > >> computer. I have tried many ways to install Flashplayer 10, > >> including various script written here: > >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-64 > >>bit .html On both computers when using Firefox 3.1 I didn't > >> have a flash problem. There are two major differences between > >> the two computers which confound the problem for me. > >> 1. The problem computer is 64 bit > >> 2. The problem computer uses KDE 4.3 > >> What can I do to try and solve this problem? Errol Kaj Haulrich answered: > > I would try the following: > > Open dolphin and switch the 'split' option on. > > In the left pane, navigate to /etc/alternatives. > > In the right pane, navigate to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins > > Now, drag the file 'firefox-flashplugin' from the left pane to > > the right and select the option 'link here'. It should show up > > as 'flashplugin-alternative.so'. > > > > (It doesn't harm to do likewise with other > > 'plugins'-directories as well, like /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) > > > > Restart firefox and enjoy - hopefully... > > > > (BTW: if you have Google Chrome installed, you'll need to > > manually create the 'plugins' directory in the chrome directory > > and proceed as described. Then, in the menu-editor add > > '--enable-plugins' to the command line). Errol replied: > Kaj > Thanks for the quick reply. I will try it when I get home and > report. By the way I just learned another useful function from > you. I never knew about the split option in dolphin. :-[ > Thanks for that as well. > Errol Your're welcome. Of course you don't have to use dolphin to do that. A much easier way is - as always - to use the command line: "sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so" - all on one line and without the quotes,of course. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 ********* From errol at tzora.co.il Wed Aug 26 10:33:31 2009 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:33:31 +0300 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <200908261059.33465.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908260925.07081.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A94EF1F.6010303@tzora.co.il> <200908261059.33465.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <4A950F7B.2020305@tzora.co.il> Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:15:27 Errol Sapir wrote: > > I have moved your reply to the correct position: below my reply to > your original question. Please do not top-post. It breaks the thread > and makes it very hard for eventual others to follow solutions. > No offense intended, just list etiquette... > > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 07:14:03 Errol Sapir wrote: > > >>>> I have 2 computers using Kubuntu 9.04. My problem is with the >>>> adobe flash on one computer. On the computer with KDE 4.2.2 >>>> flash works without a problem. This is a 32 bit installation. >>>> The computer with KDE 4.3 refuses to "activate" flash. This is >>>> a 64 bit installation Both computers were updated to use >>>> Firefox 3.5. What happens (on the KDE 4.3 computer) is that I >>>> install flashplayer 10, am informed that the flash was >>>> installed correctly. When I reopen Firefox I still see the >>>> "missing plugin" message that requests me to install Adobe >>>> flash. I don't know if this is connected to the KDE 4.3 >>>> upgrade or to the fact that one computer is 64 bit and the >>>> other 32 bit. On both computers I upgraded to Firefox 3.5 at >>>> the same time, after I had updated to KDE 4.3 on the one >>>> computer. I have tried many ways to install Flashplayer 10, >>>> including various script written here: >>>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-64 >>>> bit .html On both computers when using Firefox 3.1 I didn't >>>> have a flash problem. There are two major differences between >>>> the two computers which confound the problem for me. >>>> 1. The problem computer is 64 bit >>>> 2. The problem computer uses KDE 4.3 >>>> What can I do to try and solve this problem? >>>> > Errol > > Kaj Haulrich answered: > >>> I would try the following: >>> Open dolphin and switch the 'split' option on. >>> In the left pane, navigate to /etc/alternatives. >>> In the right pane, navigate to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins >>> Now, drag the file 'firefox-flashplugin' from the left pane to >>> the right and select the option 'link here'. It should show up >>> as 'flashplugin-alternative.so'. >>> >>> (It doesn't harm to do likewise with other >>> 'plugins'-directories as well, like /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) >>> >>> Restart firefox and enjoy - hopefully... >>> >>> (BTW: if you have Google Chrome installed, you'll need to >>> manually create the 'plugins' directory in the chrome directory >>> and proceed as described. Then, in the menu-editor add >>> '--enable-plugins' to the command line). >>> > > Errol replied: > >> Kaj >> Thanks for the quick reply. I will try it when I get home and >> report. By the way I just learned another useful function from >> you. I never knew about the split option in dolphin. :-[ >> Thanks for that as well. >> Errol >> > > Your're welcome. Of course you don't have to use dolphin to do > that. A much easier way is - as always - to use the command line: > > "sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so" - all on one > line and without the quotes,of course. > > HTH > > Kaj Haulrich. > No offense taken. Errol -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debianrob at poncacity.net Wed Aug 26 15:28:08 2009 From: debianrob at poncacity.net (Rob Wright) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:28:08 -0500 Subject: SSHD Configuration question Message-ID: <200908261028.08640.debianrob@poncacity.net> Greetings, I'm trying to get SSHD working on my desktop here at the office so that I can access it remotely from home. I'm using Jaunty on both machines. SSHD is running, listening on an alternate port, and is accessible if I do "ssh localhost" My problem is that I cannot connect to this box from a remote computer not on the local network. If I try to ssh into this computer from another on the same subnet I have no problem connecting. The connection will just hang, eventually timing out; I never get a login prompt, nor do I get a denial of my login. I can ssh into another computer on the local subnet and then leapfrog into my desktop, so I don't think it's a routing or firewall issue for SSH in general, and until I upgraded to Jaunty I was able to connect to this machine. Just for giggles, last week I installed SuSE and the SSH worked fine with the exact same setup. To clarify: (192.168.1.11 is the machine in question) ssh -p 2748 localhost works from 192.168.1.2 ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.11 works from 192.168.2.2 ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.11 does not work from 192.168.2.2 ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.2 works from 10.1.1.1 ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.2 works from 10.1.1.1 ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.2 | ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.11 works /etc/hosts.allow # Allow SSH for me sshd : ALL sudo iptables --list Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination It may still be some routing or fire issue, but I have access to that equipment and so far haven't been able to find anything; and like I said, with a different Linux flavor installed it works fine. Just wondering if there is any new config or hidden default in Jaunty that might be getting in my way. Thanks for any advice or information, Rob Wright debianrob at poncacity.net From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Wed Aug 26 16:04:20 2009 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:04:20 +0100 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? Message-ID: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> OK, I've now been using Kubuntu 9.04 occasionally since Saturday and at first I was impressed with how it now looks, but there are a few things that are starting to bug me with it. 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use all the time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the new style menu doesn't have a bookmarks section. 2) I can't seem to find any way of enabling mouse gestures in either Konqueror or Dolphin. 3) There doesn't seem to be an option to determine which types of files have previews in Konqueror and Dolphin. 4) Can't seem to figure out how to integrate KWeather into the summary view of Kontact. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 16:11:36 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:11:36 +0300 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> > 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use all the > time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the new style menu > doesn't have a bookmarks section. > I'll file a feature request. > 2) I can't seem to find any way of enabling mouse gestures in either Konqueror > or Dolphin. > For Konqueror it's in System Settings. I do not think that there are mouse gestures for Dolphin. > 3) There doesn't seem to be an option to determine which types of files have > previews in Konqueror and Dolphin. > Dolphin -> Settings -> General -> Previews > 4) Can't seem to figure out how to integrate KWeather into the summary view of > Kontact. > I'll dig up the bug for you to comment on. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 16:30:57 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:30:57 +0300 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00908260930p45a31112l5550c16927534a02@mail.gmail.com> >> 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use all the >> time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the new style menu >> doesn't have a bookmarks section. >> > > I'll file a feature request. > Please comment and vote: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205217 >> 4) Can't seem to figure out how to integrate KWeather into the summary view of >> Kontact. >> > > I'll dig up the bug for you to comment on. > This will probably get marked as dupe but I cannot find the original that I thought existed: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205218 Please comment! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Aug 26 16:41:48 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:41:48 -0500 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A9565CC.2080608@swbell.net> On 08/26/2009 Mark Fraser wrote: > 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I > use all the > time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the new > style menu > doesn't have a bookmarks section. You can do something similar with "Quick Access". The only problem I see with it is that it won't open with the "root" but only works well with the /home/"user". You can set it to start at one system directory such as /user but that only allows you to navigate that Directory. Of course once Dolphin is open you can navigate to "root" but that's not quite the same. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From myriam at kubuntu.org Wed Aug 26 18:17:00 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:17:00 +0200 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:11, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use all the >> time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the new style menu >> doesn't have a bookmarks section. >> > > I'll file a feature request. no need to, this works here: Right click on the icon, select Classic Style menu -> works fine here with KDE 4.3. Dotan, you should maybe just try yourself first before filing a bug that will be closed within minutes because that is none. Also, asking in #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net would have pointed you to the solution within seconds, much faster than firing up launchpad. Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 18:35:36 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:35:36 +0300 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00908261135v30d5dc9ev67a47611529ea337@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/26 Myriam Schweingruber : > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:11, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use all the >>> time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the new style menu >>> doesn't have a bookmarks section. >>> >> >> I'll file a feature request. > > no need to, this works here: > > Right click on the icon, select Classic Style menu -> works fine here > with KDE 4.3. > > Dotan, you should maybe just try yourself first before filing a bug > that will be closed within minutes because that is none. Also, asking > in #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net would have pointed you to the solution > within seconds, much faster than firing up launchpad. > You are right, Myriam. I usually do check things before filing, but this week I have been helping iron out KDE 4 issues for KDE 3 users on several different mailing lists and began cutting corners due to the volume. I will return to checking before filing. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Aug 26 18:49:18 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:49:18 -0500 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <880dece00908261135v30d5dc9ev67a47611529ea337@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00908261135v30d5dc9ev67a47611529ea337@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A9583AE.8020508@swbell.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/8/26 Myriam Schweingruber : > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:11, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>>> 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use all the >>>> time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the new style menu >>>> doesn't have a bookmarks section. >>>> >>>> >>> I'll file a feature request. >>> >> no need to, this works here: >> >> Right click on the icon, select Classic Style menu -> works fine here >> with KDE 4.3. >> >> Dotan, you should maybe just try yourself first before filing a bug >> that will be closed within minutes because that is none. Also, asking >> in #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net would have pointed you to the solution >> within seconds, much faster than firing up launchpad. >> >> > > You are right, Myriam. I usually do check things before filing, but > this week I have been helping iron out KDE 4 issues for KDE 3 users on > several different mailing lists and began cutting corners due to the > volume. I will return to checking before filing. Thanks. > > > There's still no "Bookmark" in the menu. That's what the OP wanted. Not the "classic" menu. Menu editor doesn't show any simple way to add on either. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 19:00:42 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:00:42 +0300 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <4A9583AE.8020508@swbell.net> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00908261135v30d5dc9ev67a47611529ea337@mail.gmail.com> <4A9583AE.8020508@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00908261200q2671b7abtf882a7ac28df0d4e@mail.gmail.com> > There's still no "Bookmark" in the menu. That's what the OP wanted. Not > the "classic" menu. Menu editor doesn't show any simple way to add on > either. > Yes there is, it shows the Konqueror bookmarks. Rightclick on the Kmenu -> Settings -> View -> check off Bookmarks -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Aug 26 19:10:20 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:10:20 -0500 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <880dece00908261200q2671b7abtf882a7ac28df0d4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00908261135v30d5dc9ev67a47611529ea337@mail.gmail.com> <4A9583AE.8020508@swbell.net> <880dece00908261200q2671b7abtf882a7ac28df0d4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A95889C.5020103@swbell.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> There's still no "Bookmark" in the menu. That's what the OP wanted. Not >> the "classic" menu. Menu editor doesn't show any simple way to add on >> either. >> >> > > Yes there is, it shows the Konqueror bookmarks. Rightclick on the > Kmenu -> Settings -> View -> check off Bookmarks > > Not on mine it won't. Right clicking on the Kmenu doesn't have a "settings" OOOP's. I have KDE 4.2.2. I believe the OP said 4.3. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Wed Aug 26 20:50:09 2009 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:50:09 +0100 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <4A95889C.5020103@swbell.net> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908261200q2671b7abtf882a7ac28df0d4e@mail.gmail.com> <4A95889C.5020103@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200908262150.10110.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 20:10:20 Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> There's still no "Bookmark" in the menu. That's what the OP wanted. Not > >> the "classic" menu. Menu editor doesn't show any simple way to add on > >> either. > > > > Yes there is, it shows the Konqueror bookmarks. Rightclick on the > > Kmenu -> Settings -> View -> check off Bookmarks > > Not on mine it won't. Right clicking on the Kmenu doesn't have a "settings" > > OOOP's. I have KDE 4.2.2. I believe the OP said 4.3. I am still with 4.2.2. Might have to enable the backport PPA. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Aug 26 21:57:57 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:57:57 -0500 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <200908262150.10110.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908261200q2671b7abtf882a7ac28df0d4e@mail.gmail.com> <4A95889C.5020103@swbell.net> <200908262150.10110.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A95AFE5.7050100@swbell.net> Mark Fraser wrote: > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 20:10:20 Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>>> There's still no "Bookmark" in the menu. That's what the OP wanted. Not >>>> the "classic" menu. Menu editor doesn't show any simple way to add on >>>> either. >>>> >>> Yes there is, it shows the Konqueror bookmarks. Rightclick on the >>> Kmenu -> Settings -> View -> check off Bookmarks >>> >> Not on mine it won't. Right clicking on the Kmenu doesn't have a "settings" >> >> OOOP's. I have KDE 4.2.2. I believe the OP said 4.3. >> > > I am still with 4.2.2. Might have to enable the backport PPA. > > > As a general rule I avoid backport PPA's like the plague. *<]:oD If it ain't in the regular repo's I leave it alone. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From errol at tzora.co.il Thu Aug 27 04:26:18 2009 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:26:18 +0300 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <200908261059.33465.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908260925.07081.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A94EF1F.6010303@tzora.co.il> <200908261059.33465.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <4A960AEA.6070009@tzora.co.il> Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:15:27 Errol Sapir wrote: > > I have moved your reply to the correct position: below my reply to > your original question. Please do not top-post. It breaks the thread > and makes it very hard for eventual others to follow solutions. > No offense intended, just list etiquette... > > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 07:14:03 Errol Sapir wrote: > > >>>> I have 2 computers using Kubuntu 9.04. My problem is with the >>>> adobe flash on one computer. On the computer with KDE 4.2.2 >>>> flash works without a problem. This is a 32 bit installation. >>>> The computer with KDE 4.3 refuses to "activate" flash. This is >>>> a 64 bit installation Both computers were updated to use >>>> Firefox 3.5. What happens (on the KDE 4.3 computer) is that I >>>> install flashplayer 10, am informed that the flash was >>>> installed correctly. When I reopen Firefox I still see the >>>> "missing plugin" message that requests me to install Adobe >>>> flash. I don't know if this is connected to the KDE 4.3 >>>> upgrade or to the fact that one computer is 64 bit and the >>>> other 32 bit. On both computers I upgraded to Firefox 3.5 at >>>> the same time, after I had updated to KDE 4.3 on the one >>>> computer. I have tried many ways to install Flashplayer 10, >>>> including various script written here: >>>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-64 >>>> bit .html On both computers when using Firefox 3.1 I didn't >>>> have a flash problem. There are two major differences between >>>> the two computers which confound the problem for me. >>>> 1. The problem computer is 64 bit >>>> 2. The problem computer uses KDE 4.3 >>>> What can I do to try and solve this problem? >>>> > Errol > > Kaj Haulrich answered: > >>> I would try the following: >>> Open dolphin and switch the 'split' option on. >>> In the left pane, navigate to /etc/alternatives. >>> In the right pane, navigate to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins >>> Now, drag the file 'firefox-flashplugin' from the left pane to >>> the right and select the option 'link here'. It should show up >>> as 'flashplugin-alternative.so'. >>> >>> (It doesn't harm to do likewise with other >>> 'plugins'-directories as well, like /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) >>> >>> Restart firefox and enjoy - hopefully... >>> >>> (BTW: if you have Google Chrome installed, you'll need to >>> manually create the 'plugins' directory in the chrome directory >>> and proceed as described. Then, in the menu-editor add >>> '--enable-plugins' to the command line). >>> > > Errol replied: > >> Kaj >> Thanks for the quick reply. I will try it when I get home and >> report. By the way I just learned another useful function from >> you. I never knew about the split option in dolphin. :-[ >> Thanks for that as well. >> Errol >> > > Your're welcome. Of course you don't have to use dolphin to do > that. A much easier way is - as always - to use the command line: > > "sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so" - all on one > line and without the quotes,of course. > > HTH > > Kaj Haulrich. > Hi Haj I did what you suggested to no avail. Thea file was linked as commanded but the "missing plug" notification came up again. I think I am going to uninstall firefox completely and re-install from scratch. SOMETHING basic is wrong and I can't figure out what. Errol -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at alvin.be Thu Aug 27 07:04:33 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:04:33 +0200 Subject: SSHD Configuration question In-Reply-To: <200908261028.08640.debianrob@poncacity.net> References: <200908261028.08640.debianrob@poncacity.net> Message-ID: <200908270904.36901.info@alvin.be> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 17:28:08 Rob Wright wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm trying to get SSHD working on my desktop here at the office so that I > can access it remotely from home. I'm using Jaunty on both machines. SSHD > is running, listening on an alternate port, and is accessible if I do "ssh > localhost" > > My problem is that I cannot connect to this box from a remote computer not > on the local network. If I try to ssh into this computer from another on > the same subnet I have no problem connecting. The connection will just > hang, eventually timing out; I never get a login prompt, nor do I get a > denial of my login. I can ssh into another computer on the local subnet > and then leapfrog into my desktop, so I don't think it's a routing or > firewall issue for SSH in general, and until I upgraded to Jaunty I was > able to connect to this machine. Just for giggles, last week I installed > SuSE and the SSH worked fine with the exact same setup. > > To clarify: (192.168.1.11 is the machine in question) > ssh -p 2748 localhost works > from 192.168.1.2 ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.11 works > from 192.168.2.2 ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.11 does not work > from 192.168.2.2 ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.2 works > from 10.1.1.1 ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.2 works > from 10.1.1.1 ssh -p 2748 -l username 192.168.1.2 | ssh -p 2748 -l username > 192.168.1.11 works > > /etc/hosts.allow > # Allow SSH for me > sshd : ALL > > sudo iptables --list > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > > It may still be some routing or fire issue, but I have access to that > equipment and so far haven't been able to find anything; and like I said, > with a different Linux flavor installed it works fine. Just wondering if > there is any new config or hidden default in Jaunty that might be getting > in my way. Still sounds like a routing problem to me. Might be the gateway settings on your desktop. Check with $ route -n Use tracepath from both computers Can you ping to your desktop? From kaj at haulrich.net Thu Aug 27 08:01:47 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:01:47 +0200 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <4A960AEA.6070009@tzora.co.il> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908261059.33465.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A960AEA.6070009@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <200908271001.48050.kaj@haulrich.net> On Thursday 27 August 2009 06:26:18 Errol Sapir wrote: > Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:15:27 Errol Sapir wrote: > > > > I have moved your reply to the correct position: below my reply > > to your original question. Please do not top-post. It breaks > > the thread and makes it very hard for eventual others to follow > > solutions. No offense intended, just list etiquette... > > > > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 07:14:03 Errol Sapir wrote: > >>>> I have 2 computers using Kubuntu 9.04. My problem is with > >>>> the adobe flash on one computer. On the computer with KDE > >>>> 4.2.2 flash works without a problem. This is a 32 bit > >>>> installation. The computer with KDE 4.3 refuses to > >>>> "activate" flash. This is a 64 bit installation Both > >>>> computers were updated to use Firefox 3.5. What happens (on > >>>> the KDE 4.3 computer) is that I install flashplayer 10, am > >>>> informed that the flash was installed correctly. When I > >>>> reopen Firefox I still see the "missing plugin" message that > >>>> requests me to install Adobe flash. I don't know if this is > >>>> connected to the KDE 4.3 upgrade or to the fact that one > >>>> computer is 64 bit and the other 32 bit. On both computers I > >>>> upgraded to Firefox 3.5 at the same time, after I had > >>>> updated to KDE 4.3 on the one computer. I have tried many > >>>> ways to install Flashplayer 10, including various script > >>>> written here: > >>>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux- > >>>>64 bit .html On both computers when using Firefox 3.1 I > >>>> didn't have a flash problem. There are two major differences > >>>> between the two computers which confound the problem for me. > >>>> 1. The problem computer is 64 bit > >>>> 2. The problem computer uses KDE 4.3 > >>>> What can I do to try and solve this problem? > > > > Errol > > > > Kaj Haulrich answered: > >>> I would try the following: > >>> Open dolphin and switch the 'split' option on. > >>> In the left pane, navigate to /etc/alternatives. > >>> In the right pane, navigate to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins > >>> Now, drag the file 'firefox-flashplugin' from the left pane > >>> to the right and select the option 'link here'. It should > >>> show up as 'flashplugin-alternative.so'. > >>> > >>> (It doesn't harm to do likewise with other > >>> 'plugins'-directories as well, like /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) > >>> > >>> Restart firefox and enjoy - hopefully... > >>> > >>> (BTW: if you have Google Chrome installed, you'll need to > >>> manually create the 'plugins' directory in the chrome > >>> directory and proceed as described. Then, in the menu-editor > >>> add '--enable-plugins' to the command line). > > > > Errol replied: > >> Kaj > >> Thanks for the quick reply. I will try it when I get home and > >> report. By the way I just learned another useful function > >> from you. I never knew about the split option in dolphin. :-[ > >> Thanks for that as well. > >> Errol > > > > Your're welcome. Of course you don't have to use dolphin to do > > that. A much easier way is - as always - to use the command > > line: > > > > "sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin > > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so" - all on > > one line and without the quotes,of course. > > > > HTH > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > Hi Haj > I did what you suggested to no avail. Thea file was linked as > commanded but the "missing plug" notification came up again. I > think I am going to uninstall firefox completely and re-install > from scratch. SOMETHING basic is wrong and I can't figure out > what. Strange... Two questions: 1) In Firefox under 'Tools' --> 'Add-ons' -->'Plugins' does it show 'Shockwave Flash' - and if so what version? (mine shows v. 10.0r32 which I take as a 32-bit version. (it certainly is..)) 2) Your system is 64-bit, right? - Do you use 64-bit Firefox? - In that case the above will not work, I guess. You could try two things: 1) Install 32-bit Firefox and see if that solves the problem. 2) Remove the Ubuntu-provided 'adobe-flashplugin' and 'flashplugin- installer'. ('sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin flashplugin- installer --purge'). Then point your browser to: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?promoid=BUIGP and choose the *.deb version for Ubuntu 8.04+. - Install from there and then check if there is a flashplugin.so in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 ********* From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Aug 26 19:41:40 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:41:40 -0300 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use >> all the time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the new >> style menu doesn't have a bookmarks section. >> > > I'll file a feature request. It's called "favorites", and I set it as the default. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 16:57:49 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:57:49 +0300 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00908270957x5ed621c0l24b802934a4dca63@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/26 Derek Broughton : > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>> 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use >>> all the time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the new >>> style menu doesn't have a bookmarks section. >>> >> >> I'll file a feature request. > > It's called "favorites", and I set it as the default. > When I switch to English here, it is called bookmarks in the Classic menu. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From debianrob at poncacity.net Thu Aug 27 17:48:12 2009 From: debianrob at poncacity.net (Rob Wright) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:48:12 -0500 Subject: SSHD Configuration question Message-ID: <200908271248.12162.debianrob@poncacity.net> On Thursday 27 August 2009 02:04:33 am Alvin wrote: > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 17:28:08 Rob Wright wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > I'm trying to get SSHD working on my desktop here at the office so that I > > can access it remotely from home. I'm using Jaunty on both machines. SSHD > > is running, listening on an alternate port, and is accessible if I do > > "ssh localhost" > > [SNIP] > > It may still be some routing or fire issue, but I have access to that > > equipment and so far haven't been able to find anything; and like I said, > > with a different Linux flavor installed it works fine. Just wondering if > > there is any new config or hidden default in Jaunty that might be getting > > in my way. > > Still sounds like a routing problem to me. Might be the gateway settings on > your desktop. > > Check with $ route -n > Use tracepath from both computers > Can you ping to your desktop? Alvin! You're a beautiful genius! route -n showed my default route for a DHCP address. Got rid of that, built the correct route by hand and now the SSHD is working. I'll need to check it from home to be sure but I'm confident based on my testing here that it'll be ok. This leads me to another {K}Ubuntu question: why does Ubuntu just assume that I'm going to be using DHCP during installation instead of asking me? Thanks so much for the help, Rob Wright poncacity.net debianrob at poncacity.net From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 27 17:45:13 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:45:13 -0300 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00908270957x5ed621c0l24b802934a4dca63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9atim6-rk9.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/8/26 Derek Broughton : >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>>> 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use >>>> all the time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the >>>> new style menu doesn't have a bookmarks section. >>>> >>> >>> I'll file a feature request. >> >> It's called "favorites", and I set it as the default. >> > > When I switch to English here, it is called bookmarks in the Classic menu. Nope, don't have that - or any way to get it. I usually use the Kickoff menu, but if I switch to Classic I still only have "Favorites", which contains the same things as in the Kickoff "Favorites" -- derek From claydoh at midmaine.com Thu Aug 27 18:17:38 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:17:38 -0400 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <9atim6-rk9.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00908270957x5ed621c0l24b802934a4dca63@mail.gmail.com> <9atim6-rk9.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <4A96CDC2.6020101@midmaine.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2009/8/26 Derek Broughton : >>> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> >>>>> 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use >>>>> all the time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the >>>>> new style menu doesn't have a bookmarks section. >>>>> >>>> I'll file a feature request. >>> It's called "favorites", and I set it as the default. >>> >> When I switch to English here, it is called bookmarks in the Classic menu. > > Nope, don't have that - or any way to get it. I usually use the Kickoff > menu, but if I switch to Classic I still only have "Favorites", which > contains the same things as in the Kickoff "Favorites" It is new in kde 4.3 :), the classic menu is quite configurable now. This thread is what brought it to my attention. clay From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 18:45:36 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:45:36 -0600 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <4A96CDC2.6020101@midmaine.com> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00908270957x5ed621c0l24b802934a4dca63@mail.gmail.com> <9atim6-rk9.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> <4A96CDC2.6020101@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4A96D450.50503@gmail.com> clay weber said the following at 08/27/2009 12:17 PM : > > It is new in kde 4.3 :), the classic menu is quite configurable now. > This thread is what brought it to my attention. Does it still disappear when a notification comes on-screen? Aaron marked that a WONTFIX but I live in some hope that maybe it's been fixed anyway in 4.3. Several times a week I end up clicking on where the menu was a fraction of a second earlier, before it got zapped by the appearance of a notification :-( I run only official Kubuntu packages so I'm not on 4.3 yet, so I'm just being curious. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 19:16:27 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:16:27 +0300 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <4A96D450.50503@gmail.com> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00908270957x5ed621c0l24b802934a4dca63@mail.gmail.com> <9atim6-rk9.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> <4A96CDC2.6020101@midmaine.com> <4A96D450.50503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00908271216v17c5db1o85f480566028bbd9@mail.gmail.com> > Does it still disappear when a notification comes on-screen? > > Aaron marked that a WONTFIX but I live in some hope that maybe it's been > fixed anyway in 4.3. Several times a week I end up clicking on where the > menu was a fraction of a second earlier, before it got zapped by the > appearance of a notification :-( > > I run only official Kubuntu packages so I'm not on 4.3 yet, so I'm just > being curious. > Please link to the bug,  Doc, I'd like to triage it. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 19:49:33 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:49:33 -0600 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <880dece00908271216v17c5db1o85f480566028bbd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908260911s1a89523fm86722008ef7d2e27@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00908270957x5ed621c0l24b802934a4dca63@mail.gmail.com> <9atim6-rk9.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> <4A96CDC2.6020101@midmaine.com> <4A96D450.50503@gmail.com> <880dece00908271216v17c5db1o85f480566028bbd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A96E34D.7020502@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen said the following at 08/27/2009 01:16 PM : >> Does it still disappear when a notification comes on-screen? >> >> Aaron marked that a WONTFIX but I live in some hope that maybe it's been >> fixed anyway in 4.3. Several times a week I end up clicking on where the >> menu was a fraction of a second earlier, before it got zapped by the >> appearance of a notification :-( >> >> I run only official Kubuntu packages so I'm not on 4.3 yet, so I'm just >> being curious. >> > > Please link to the bug, Doc, I'd like to triage it. Thanks. > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185969 Aaron gives a rationale there for why it's technically hard to fix. But IMO things disappearing on users just as they're clicking on them is simply unacceptable, no matter how hard it is to fix. (Also, I have no idea whether Aaron's rationale is true under current Qt.) Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Evans wrote: > clay weber said the following at 08/27/2009 12:17 PM : > >> It is new in kde 4.3 :), the classic menu is quite configurable now. >> This thread is what brought it to my attention. > > Does it still disappear when a notification comes on-screen? > I don't know, as I have not had this situation happen to me at all. > Aaron marked that a WONTFIX but I live in some hope that maybe it's been > fixed anyway in 4.3. Several times a week I end up clicking on where the > menu was a fraction of a second earlier, before it got zapped by the > appearance of a notification :-( > > I run only official Kubuntu packages so I'm not on 4.3 yet, so I'm just > being curious. > > Doc > > From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Aug 28 10:43:34 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:43:34 +0300 Subject: List of user installed apps Message-ID: <4A97B4D6.1020707@prayingforisrael.net> How do I get a list of user installed apps? (getting prepared 9.10). I already know the following but it gives all installed apps: dpkg --get-selections > list-of-installed-packages Blessings, Nigel From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 10:49:25 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:49:25 +0200 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <4A97B4D6.1020707@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4A97B4D6.1020707@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200908281249.25720.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Friday 28 August 2009 12:43:34 Nigel Ridley wrote: > How do I get a list of user installed apps What is a *user*? I mean, when you choose to install Foogrubnix then you use sudo, so it's a 'root' thing anyway. So, how can the system know? I think the dpkg you gave is the only way to go. If you mean stuff you got from tarballs, then it's find and make notes. \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Aug 28 11:16:44 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:16:44 +0300 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <200908281249.25720.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <4A97B4D6.1020707@prayingforisrael.net> <200908281249.25720.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A97BC9C.1020909@prayingforisrael.net> Donn wrote: > On Friday 28 August 2009 12:43:34 Nigel Ridley wrote: >> How do I get a list of user installed apps > What is a *user*? I mean, when you choose to install Foogrubnix then you use > sudo, so it's a 'root' thing anyway. So, how can the system know? > I think the dpkg you gave is the only way to go. > If you mean stuff you got from tarballs, then it's find and make notes. > > \d Well, you can live in hope.... Actually I remember doing an 'sudo apt-get install something-or-other' and it mentioned something about it being 'manually installed' -- so perhaps there is a way? I'm off the check the man pages........ Blessings, Nigel From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 11:23:08 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:23:08 +0200 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <200908281249.25720.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <4A97B4D6.1020707@prayingforisrael.net> <200908281249.25720.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Donn wrote: > On Friday 28 August 2009 12:43:34 Nigel Ridley wrote: >> How do I get a list of user installed apps > What is a *user*? I mean, when you choose to install Foogrubnix then you use > sudo, so it's a 'root' thing anyway. So, how can the system know? > I think the dpkg you gave is the only way to go. > If you mean stuff you got from tarballs, then it's find and make notes. > I think he want to know what packages is installed as default and not later by a user. Perhaps one way could be to install it in virtualbox and do the above command and then diff the output but that takes time and packages change name between dist versions. There must be a list on what packages to install on the Install CD that one can diff? / Jonas From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Aug 28 11:57:17 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:57:17 +0300 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: References: <4A97B4D6.1020707@prayingforisrael.net> <200908281249.25720.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A97C61D.2070008@prayingforisrael.net> Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Donn wrote: >> On Friday 28 August 2009 12:43:34 Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> How do I get a list of user installed apps >> What is a *user*? I mean, when you choose to install Foogrubnix then you use >> sudo, so it's a 'root' thing anyway. So, how can the system know? >> I think the dpkg you gave is the only way to go. >> If you mean stuff you got from tarballs, then it's find and make notes. >> > > I think he want to know what packages is installed as default and not > later by a user. Perhaps one way could be to install it in virtualbox > and do the above command and then diff the output but that takes time > and packages change name between dist versions. There must be a list > on what packages to install on the Install CD that one can diff? > > / Jonas > No. The opposite actually. I just did a: 'dpkg -l > list-of-installed-packages_details' and manually went through it and deleted everything except those packages I remember installing (most were really obvious - it's real handy having the extra details listed). Blessings, Nigel From errol at tzora.co.il Fri Aug 28 12:22:31 2009 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:22:31 +0300 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <200908271001.48050.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908261059.33465.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A960AEA.6070009@tzora.co.il> <200908271001.48050.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <4A97CC07.9040702@tzora.co.il> Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Thursday 27 August 2009 06:26:18 Errol Sapir wrote: > >> Kaj Haulrich wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:15:27 Errol Sapir wrote: >>> >>> I have moved your reply to the correct position: below my reply >>> to your original question. Please do not top-post. It breaks >>> the thread and makes it very hard for eventual others to follow >>> solutions. No offense intended, just list etiquette... >>> >>> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 07:14:03 Errol Sapir wrote: >>> >>>>>> I have 2 computers using Kubuntu 9.04. My problem is with >>>>>> the adobe flash on one computer. On the computer with KDE >>>>>> 4.2.2 flash works without a problem. This is a 32 bit >>>>>> installation. The computer with KDE 4.3 refuses to >>>>>> "activate" flash. This is a 64 bit installation Both >>>>>> computers were updated to use Firefox 3.5. What happens (on >>>>>> the KDE 4.3 computer) is that I install flashplayer 10, am >>>>>> informed that the flash was installed correctly. When I >>>>>> reopen Firefox I still see the "missing plugin" message that >>>>>> requests me to install Adobe flash. I don't know if this is >>>>>> connected to the KDE 4.3 upgrade or to the fact that one >>>>>> computer is 64 bit and the other 32 bit. On both computers I >>>>>> upgraded to Firefox 3.5 at the same time, after I had >>>>>> updated to KDE 4.3 on the one computer. I have tried many >>>>>> ways to install Flashplayer 10, including various script >>>>>> written here: >>>>>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux- >>>>>> 64 bit .html On both computers when using Firefox 3.1 I >>>>>> didn't have a flash problem. There are two major differences >>>>>> between the two computers which confound the problem for me. >>>>>> 1. The problem computer is 64 bit >>>>>> 2. The problem computer uses KDE 4.3 >>>>>> What can I do to try and solve this problem? >>>>>> >>> Errol >>> >>> Kaj Haulrich answered: >>> >>>>> I would try the following: >>>>> Open dolphin and switch the 'split' option on. >>>>> In the left pane, navigate to /etc/alternatives. >>>>> In the right pane, navigate to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins >>>>> Now, drag the file 'firefox-flashplugin' from the left pane >>>>> to the right and select the option 'link here'. It should >>>>> show up as 'flashplugin-alternative.so'. >>>>> >>>>> (It doesn't harm to do likewise with other >>>>> 'plugins'-directories as well, like /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) >>>>> >>>>> Restart firefox and enjoy - hopefully... >>>>> >>>>> (BTW: if you have Google Chrome installed, you'll need to >>>>> manually create the 'plugins' directory in the chrome >>>>> directory and proceed as described. Then, in the menu-editor >>>>> add '--enable-plugins' to the command line). >>>>> >>> Errol replied: >>> >>>> Kaj >>>> Thanks for the quick reply. I will try it when I get home and >>>> report. By the way I just learned another useful function >>>> from you. I never knew about the split option in dolphin. :-[ >>>> Thanks for that as well. >>>> Errol >>>> >>> Your're welcome. Of course you don't have to use dolphin to do >>> that. A much easier way is - as always - to use the command >>> line: >>> >>> "sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin >>> /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so" - all on >>> one line and without the quotes,of course. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Kaj Haulrich. >>> >> Hi Haj >> I did what you suggested to no avail. Thea file was linked as >> commanded but the "missing plug" notification came up again. I >> think I am going to uninstall firefox completely and re-install >> from scratch. SOMETHING basic is wrong and I can't figure out >> what. >> > > Strange... > Two questions: > 1) In Firefox under 'Tools' --> 'Add-ons' -->'Plugins' does it show > 'Shockwave Flash' - and if so what version? (mine shows v. 10.0r32 > which I take as a 32-bit version. (it certainly is..)) > > 2) Your system is 64-bit, right? - Do you use 64-bit Firefox? - In > that case the above will not work, I guess. > > You could try two things: > 1) Install 32-bit Firefox and see if that solves the problem. > > 2) Remove the Ubuntu-provided 'adobe-flashplugin' and 'flashplugin- > installer'. ('sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin flashplugin- > installer --purge'). Then point your browser to: > http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?promoid=BUIGP > and choose the *.deb version for Ubuntu 8.04+. - Install from there > and then check if there is a flashplugin.so in > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins. > > HTH > > Kaj Haulrich. > Kaj, Im more confused now. I tried both of your recommendations above and got an empty response. I'll explain: 1. I went to tools in firefox and under Add-ons there was nothing written. The whole area was blank. 2/ I then did the "apt-get remove" and was informed that flashplugins didn't exist. I've printed out the whole session below. errol at errol-linux:~$ sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin [sudo] password for errol: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Couldn't find package adobe-flashplugin errol at errol-linux:~$ sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package flashplugin-installer is not installed, so not removed 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded. errol at errol-linux:~$ sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer --purge Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package flashplugin-installer is not installed, so not removed 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded. errol at errol-linux:~$ 3. As my system is 64bit I get an incompatibility message when trying to install flash from the site you gave. I am now going to uninstall and the re-install Firefox and see what happens. Meanwhile, thanks for your help. Errol -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 12:25:51 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:25:51 +0200 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <4A97C61D.2070008@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4A97B4D6.1020707@prayingforisrael.net> <200908281249.25720.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4A97C61D.2070008@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Jonas Norlander wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Donn wrote: >>> On Friday 28 August 2009 12:43:34 Nigel Ridley wrote: >>>> How do I get a list of user installed apps >>> What is a *user*? I mean, when you choose to install Foogrubnix then you use >>> sudo, so it's a 'root' thing anyway. So, how can the system know? >>> I think the dpkg you gave is the only way to go. >>> If you mean stuff you got from tarballs, then it's find and make notes. >>> >> >> I think he want to know what packages is installed as default and not >> later by a user. Perhaps one way could be to install it in virtualbox >> and do the above command and then diff the output but that takes time >> and packages change name between dist versions. There must be a list >> on what packages to install on the Install CD that one can diff? >> >> / Jonas >> > > No. The opposite actually. > > I just did a: > 'dpkg -l > list-of-installed-packages_details' and manually went through it and deleted > everything except those packages I remember installing (most were really obvious - it's real > handy having the extra details listed). That was what i was thinking. I see now that i wrote the opposite :-) / Jonas From guethling at googlemail.com Fri Aug 28 13:12:43 2009 From: guethling at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sascha_G=FCthling?=) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:12:43 -0400 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: References: <4A97B4D6.1020707@prayingforisrael.net> <200908281249.25720.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4A97C61D.2070008@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <8abf83c20908280612s6a7395e1o454aefb8fb32e9d9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Donn wrote: > >>> On Friday 28 August 2009 12:43:34 Nigel Ridley wrote: > >>>> How do I get a list of user installed apps > >>> What is a *user*? I mean, when you choose to install Foogrubnix then you use > >>> sudo, so it's a 'root' thing anyway. So, how can the system know? > >>> I think the dpkg you gave is the only way to go. > >>> If you mean stuff you got from tarballs, then it's find and make notes. > >>> > >> > >> I think he want to know what packages is installed as default and not > >> later by a user. Perhaps one way could be to install it in virtualbox > >> and do the above command and then diff the output but that takes time > >> and packages change name between dist versions. There must be a list > >> on what packages to install on the Install CD that one can diff? > >> > >> / Jonas > >> > > > > No. The opposite actually. > > > > I just did a: > > 'dpkg -l > list-of-installed-packages_details' and manually went through it and deleted > > everything except those packages I remember installing (most were really obvious - it's real > > handy having the extra details listed). > > That was what i was thinking. I see now that i wrote the opposite :-) > > / Jonas OK, I created two lists; one with the command dpkg --get-selections and the other with the command dpkg -l. In both lists there are packages marked differently from the majority. In the list created with dpkg --get-selections some of the packages are marked with "deinstall" while the rest is marked "install". In the other list it's an "rc" at the beginning of the line instead of "ii". I noticed that most if not all of these packages where installed by me and not the initial setup. But there are other packages that I installed that are not marked like that. So what does this tell me? There seems to be nothing wrong with these packages. Thanks for your answers. Cheers, Sascha From kaj at haulrich.net Fri Aug 28 13:47:34 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:47:34 +0200 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <4A97CC07.9040702@tzora.co.il> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908271001.48050.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A97CC07.9040702@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <200908281547.34895.kaj@haulrich.net> On Friday 28 August 2009 14:22:31 Errol Sapir wrote: > Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > On Thursday 27 August 2009 06:26:18 Errol Sapir wrote: > >> Kaj Haulrich wrote: > >>> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:15:27 Errol Sapir wrote: > >>> > >>> I have moved your reply to the correct position: below my > >>> reply to your original question. Please do not top-post. It > >>> breaks the thread and makes it very hard for eventual others > >>> to follow solutions. No offense intended, just list > >>> etiquette... > >>> > >>> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 07:14:03 Errol Sapir wrote: > >>>>>> I have 2 computers using Kubuntu 9.04. My problem is with > >>>>>> the adobe flash on one computer. On the computer with KDE > >>>>>> 4.2.2 flash works without a problem. This is a 32 bit > >>>>>> installation. The computer with KDE 4.3 refuses to > >>>>>> "activate" flash. This is a 64 bit installation Both > >>>>>> computers were updated to use Firefox 3.5. What happens > >>>>>> (on the KDE 4.3 computer) is that I install flashplayer > >>>>>> 10, am informed that the flash was installed correctly. > >>>>>> When I reopen Firefox I still see the "missing plugin" > >>>>>> message that requests me to install Adobe flash. I don't > >>>>>> know if this is connected to the KDE 4.3 upgrade or to the > >>>>>> fact that one computer is 64 bit and the other 32 bit. On > >>>>>> both computers I upgraded to Firefox 3.5 at the same time, > >>>>>> after I had updated to KDE 4.3 on the one computer. I have > >>>>>> tried many ways to install Flashplayer 10, including > >>>>>> various script written here: > >>>>>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linu > >>>>>>x- 64 bit .html On both computers when using Firefox 3.1 I > >>>>>> didn't have a flash problem. There are two major > >>>>>> differences between the two computers which confound the > >>>>>> problem for me. 1. The problem computer is 64 bit > >>>>>> 2. The problem computer uses KDE 4.3 > >>>>>> What can I do to try and solve this problem? > >>> > >>> Errol > >>> > >>> Kaj Haulrich answered: > >>>>> I would try the following: > >>>>> Open dolphin and switch the 'split' option on. > >>>>> In the left pane, navigate to /etc/alternatives. > >>>>> In the right pane, navigate to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins > >>>>> Now, drag the file 'firefox-flashplugin' from the left pane > >>>>> to the right and select the option 'link here'. It should > >>>>> show up as 'flashplugin-alternative.so'. > >>>>> > >>>>> (It doesn't harm to do likewise with other > >>>>> 'plugins'-directories as well, like > >>>>> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) > >>>>> > >>>>> Restart firefox and enjoy - hopefully... > >>>>> > >>>>> (BTW: if you have Google Chrome installed, you'll need to > >>>>> manually create the 'plugins' directory in the chrome > >>>>> directory and proceed as described. Then, in the > >>>>> menu-editor add '--enable-plugins' to the command line). > >>> > >>> Errol replied: > >>>> Kaj > >>>> Thanks for the quick reply. I will try it when I get home > >>>> and report. By the way I just learned another useful > >>>> function from you. I never knew about the split option in > >>>> dolphin. :-[ Thanks for that as well. > >>>> Errol > >>> > >>> Your're welcome. Of course you don't have to use dolphin to > >>> do that. A much easier way is - as always - to use the > >>> command line: > >>> > >>> "sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin > >>> /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so" - all on > >>> one line and without the quotes,of course. > >>> > >>> HTH > >>> > >>> Kaj Haulrich. > >> > >> Hi Haj > >> I did what you suggested to no avail. Thea file was linked as > >> commanded but the "missing plug" notification came up again. I > >> think I am going to uninstall firefox completely and > >> re-install from scratch. SOMETHING basic is wrong and I can't > >> figure out what. > > > > Strange... > > Two questions: > > 1) In Firefox under 'Tools' --> 'Add-ons' -->'Plugins' does it > > show 'Shockwave Flash' - and if so what version? (mine shows v. > > 10.0r32 which I take as a 32-bit version. (it certainly is..)) > > > > 2) Your system is 64-bit, right? - Do you use 64-bit Firefox? - > > In that case the above will not work, I guess. > > > > You could try two things: > > 1) Install 32-bit Firefox and see if that solves the problem. > > > > 2) Remove the Ubuntu-provided 'adobe-flashplugin' and > > 'flashplugin- installer'. ('sudo apt-get remove > > adobe-flashplugin flashplugin- installer --purge'). Then point > > your browser to: > > http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?promoid=BUIGP > > and choose the *.deb version for Ubuntu 8.04+. - Install from > > there and then check if there is a flashplugin.so in > > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins. > > > > HTH > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > Kaj, Im more confused now. I tried both of your recommendations > above and got an empty response. I'll explain: > 1. I went to tools in firefox and under Add-ons there was nothing > written. The whole area was blank. > 2/ I then did the "apt-get remove" and was informed that > flashplugins didn't exist. I've printed out the whole session > below. > > errol at errol-linux:~$ sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin > [sudo] password for errol: > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > E: Couldn't find package adobe-flashplugin > errol at errol-linux:~$ sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Package flashplugin-installer is not installed, so not removed > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded. > errol at errol-linux:~$ sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer > --purge Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Package flashplugin-installer is not installed, so not removed > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded. > errol at errol-linux:~$ > > 3. As my system is 64bit I get an incompatibility message when > trying to install flash from the site you gave. > > I am now going to uninstall and the re-install Firefox and see > what happens. Meanwhile, thanks for your help. > Errol Well, I guess it means that Adobe doesn't supply a 64-bit version? In that case, try to uninstall Firefox (64-bit) and install the 32- bit version. As far as I know it should run well under a 64-bit version, at least with an AMD processor. Then proceed again as described and install from Adobe. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 ********* From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Fri Aug 28 14:47:02 2009 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:47:02 +0100 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <880dece00908261135v30d5dc9ev67a47611529ea337@mail.gmail.com> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908261135v30d5dc9ev67a47611529ea337@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908281547.02906.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Wednesday 26 August 2009 19:35:36 Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/8/26 Myriam Schweingruber : > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:11, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>> 1) The classic (K)Menu - it no longer has a bookmarks menu which I use > >>> all the time in KDE3.5 to go straight to the folder I want. Even the > >>> new style menu doesn't have a bookmarks section. > >> > >> I'll file a feature request. > > > > no need to, this works here: > > > > Right click on the icon, select Classic Style menu -> works fine here > > with KDE 4.3. > > > > Dotan, you should maybe just try yourself first before filing a bug > > that will be closed within minutes because that is none. Also, asking > > in #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net would have pointed you to the solution > > within seconds, much faster than firing up launchpad. > > You are right, Myriam. I usually do check things before filing, but > this week I have been helping iron out KDE 4 issues for KDE 3 users on > several different mailing lists and began cutting corners due to the > volume. I will return to checking before filing. Thanks. OK, I've installed 4.3 from the PPA repo and the problem I was expecting that Dotan has had with no images in DigiKam hasn't happened. Do like it though. I see the new menu and have enabled bookmarks, but had to enable 'recently used' as 'recent documents' just added the recently used documents to the top of the menu instead of in a sub-menu. Will have to play with it to see if I can change back to the old style log-in screen where you selected a user with the mouse though. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From ejviolet at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 15:04:34 2009 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <4A97B4D6.1020707@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <571392.41811.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Nigel Ridley wrote: > From: Nigel Ridley > Subject: List of user installed apps > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:43 AM > How do I get a list of user installed > apps? (getting prepared 9.10). > Blessings, > > Nigel Are they in /opt? Earl From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Aug 28 15:28:25 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:28:25 +0300 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <571392.41811.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <571392.41811.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A97F799.60108@prayingforisrael.net> Earl Violet wrote: > --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> From: Nigel Ridley >> Subject: List of user installed apps >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:43 AM >> How do I get a list of user installed >> apps? (getting prepared 9.10). > >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel > > Are they in /opt? > > Earl > Just Firefox 3.0 and Adobe Reader 9. But those really were manual installs that I downloaded from their respective websites and manually copied them to /opt I was referring to those that I did: 'sudo apt-get install package_name' Blessings, Nigel From parandvijay at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 16:38:42 2009 From: parandvijay at gmail.com (param vijay) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:38:42 -0700 Subject: my address Message-ID: p. parandhamaiah s/o prabhakar kandamuru nellore andhrapredesh india -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Fri Aug 28 16:56:00 2009 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:56:00 +0100 Subject: Maybe I spoke too soon? In-Reply-To: <200908281547.02906.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200908261704.20719.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00908261135v30d5dc9ev67a47611529ea337@mail.gmail.com> <200908281547.02906.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200908281756.00602.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Friday 28 August 2009 15:47:02 Mark Fraser wrote: > OK, I've installed 4.3 from the PPA repo and the problem I was expecting > that Dotan has had with no images in DigiKam hasn't happened. Do like it > though. > > I see the new menu and have enabled bookmarks, but had to enable 'recently > used' as 'recent documents' just added the recently used documents to the > top of the menu instead of in a sub-menu. Nope, can't seem to be able to change the login screen. Next problem, I am unable to get Aknoadi starting for one user, the initial user I created at install time, whatever I try to do nothing helps. Keep getting errors about dbus. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From johndecarlo at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 18:26:11 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:26:11 -0400 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <200908281547.34895.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908271001.48050.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A97CC07.9040702@tzora.co.il> <200908281547.34895.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0908281126l3c936a18i84a43fde22bb73ce@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Well, I guess it means that Adobe doesn't supply a 64-bit version? > In that case, try to uninstall Firefox (64-bit) and install the 32- > bit version. As far as I know it should run well under a 64-bit > version, at least with an AMD processor. Then proceed again as > described and install from Adobe. > I haven't commented, because I don't have any specific details to help with. However, Adobe does make a 64-bit flash plugin for Linux. It is just a beta, but it works for Hulu, among many other sites. Here is the website, where they call the latest patched version an alpha: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html I have had problems off and on when some Kubuntu repository installs the flash plugin and I have to go uninstall it, then make sure everything is using the beta 64-bit plugin again. I think if I just uninstalled any Kubuntu/Ubuntu mentions of anything related to Firefox, I would be better off. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Aug 28 19:27:41 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:27:41 +0200 Subject: my address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Param, On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:38, param vijay wrote: This is a mailing list for Kubuntu support and discussion, no need to give your address :) If you want to download or order CDs, you should go to this website: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu where you can find all the necessary information on how to get Kubuntu. Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 21:18:41 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:18:41 +0300 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <4A97F799.60108@prayingforisrael.net> References: <571392.41811.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A97F799.60108@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <15edeae40908281418j7edbdf0dtf6a97631e000e045@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/28 Nigel Ridley : > Earl Violet wrote: >> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Nigel Ridley wrote: >> >>> From: Nigel Ridley >>> Subject: List of user installed apps >>> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >>> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:43 AM >>> How do I get a list of user installed >>> apps? (getting prepared 9.10). >> >>> Blessings, >>> >>> Nigel >> >> Are they in /opt? >> >> Earl >> > > Just Firefox 3.0 and Adobe Reader 9. But those really were manual installs that I downloaded from > their respective websites and manually copied them to /opt > > I was referring to those that I did: > 'sudo apt-get install package_name' > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > > Nigel, i asked a similar question a while ago, let me quote from the ancient thread: Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i cleaned my system from almost all the packages i don't want, digging > through the installed packages for more unnecessary ones, which i guess > is a good enough punishment for my lack of organization, random apt-get > sprees, and installing loads of packages at once without bothering to > read through them, just because some website suggested so :-P Willy, I don't think there is anything to worry about. Even if you don't use aptitude, you should be able to achieve what you want. For some reason, I only use apt-get and not aptitude ('cos I am familiar with it), and I like to achieve exactly what you are looking for. Declaratively, what you want is: You want to move from version A to version B (could be, that for a fresh re-install, A = B). You want to: ----------- - Start with a clean install of version B - NOT remove any packages that are part of the default install of version B (safety) - Know what additional packages you installed in version A - List1 - Derive the "top-level" packages that you asked for and not list all the new packages include those installed as dependencies - List2 - Use either List1 or List2 to quickly get Version B as close as possible to the current state of Version A Declaratively this becomes: -------------------------- Amongst the packages currently installed, select those that are not part of the default install - List 1 Amongst List 1, select those that are "orphans" (top-level packages) - List2 To do this, all you need are the standard tools (dpkg, grep cut etc) and deborphan. From the man page: "deborphan finds packages that have no packages depending on them. The default operation is to search only within the libs and oldlibs sections to hunt down unused libraries". If it's not installed you should install deborphan. On the clean install (even if it is a new distro), run dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d ' '> default-list Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) You can do this e.g. by booting the LiveCD of your current (or new) distro. If you use the live-cd, copy default-list to some place on your currently installed version and reboot into your current version. In the current version run dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d ' '> current-list Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) In the current version run deborphan --no-show-section -a > current-top-level cat current-list | grep -vFx -f default-list > new-packages This (new-packages) is List1 cat new-packages| grep -Fx -f current-top-level > packages-to-install This (packages-to-install) is List2 If you want to just install Version B and get it as close to your current state of version A as possible, I would recommend you do the default install, and then install everything in List1 (can also use List2 if you want). If you want to peruse the list of top-level packages you have asked for and installed, that is List2 - you MUST have asked for all these, since they are top-level packages. Note that there MAY be other packages that you had asked for and installed that are not in List2 but are in List1, but do not appear in List2 because they are no longer top-level "orphans" because since then you installed another package that depends on these. Hope this helps. Sundar Nagarajan -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Sat Aug 29 01:45:32 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:45:32 +0300 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <15edeae40908281418j7edbdf0dtf6a97631e000e045@mail.gmail.com> References: <571392.41811.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A97F799.60108@prayingforisrael.net> <15edeae40908281418j7edbdf0dtf6a97631e000e045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A98883C.9010403@prayingforisrael.net> Willy Hamra wrote: > 2009/8/28 Nigel Ridley : >> Earl Violet wrote: >>> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> >>>> From: Nigel Ridley >>>> Subject: List of user installed apps >>>> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >>>> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:43 AM >>>> How do I get a list of user installed >>>> apps? (getting prepared 9.10). >>>> Blessings, >>>> >>>> Nigel >>> Are they in /opt? >>> >>> Earl >>> >> Just Firefox 3.0 and Adobe Reader 9. But those really were manual installs that I downloaded from >> their respective websites and manually copied them to /opt >> >> I was referring to those that I did: >> 'sudo apt-get install package_name' >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> >> >> > > Nigel, i asked a similar question a while ago, let me quote from the > ancient thread: > > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> i cleaned my system from almost all the packages i don't want, digging >> through the installed packages for more unnecessary ones, which i guess >> is a good enough punishment for my lack of organization, random apt-get >> sprees, and installing loads of packages at once without bothering to >> read through them, just because some website suggested so :-P > > Willy, > > I don't think there is anything to worry about. Even if you don't use > aptitude, you should be able to achieve what you want. For some reason, > I only use apt-get and not aptitude ('cos I am familiar with it), and I > like to achieve exactly what you are looking for. > > Declaratively, what you want is: > You want to move from version A to version B (could be, that for a fresh > re-install, A = B). > > You want to: > ----------- > > - Start with a clean install of version B > - NOT remove any packages that are part of the default install of > version B (safety) > > - Know what additional packages you installed in version A - List1 > > - Derive the "top-level" packages that you asked for and not list all > the new packages include those installed as dependencies - List2 > > - Use either List1 or List2 to quickly get Version B as close as > possible to the current state of Version A > > Declaratively this becomes: > -------------------------- > > Amongst the packages currently installed, select those that are not part > of the default install - List 1 > > Amongst List 1, select those that are "orphans" (top-level packages) - List2 > > To do this, all you need are the standard tools (dpkg, grep cut etc) and > deborphan. From the man page: "deborphan finds packages that have no > packages depending on them. The default operation is to search only > within the libs and oldlibs sections to hunt down unused libraries". > If it's not installed you should install deborphan. > > On the clean install (even if it is a new distro), run > dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d ' '> default-list > > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) > > You can do this e.g. by booting the LiveCD of your current (or new) > distro. If you use the live-cd, copy default-list to some place on your > currently installed version and reboot into your current version. > > In the current version run > dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d ' '> current-list > > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) > > In the current version run > deborphan --no-show-section -a > current-top-level > > cat current-list | grep -vFx -f default-list > new-packages > This (new-packages) is List1 > > cat new-packages| grep -Fx -f current-top-level > packages-to-install > This (packages-to-install) is List2 > > If you want to just install Version B and get it as close to your > current state of version A as possible, I would recommend you do the > default install, and then install everything in List1 (can also use > List2 if you want). > > If you want to peruse the list of top-level packages you have asked for > and installed, that is List2 - you MUST have asked for all these, since > they are top-level packages. Note that there MAY be other packages that > you had asked for and installed that are not in List2 but are in List1, > but do not appear in List2 because they are no longer top-level > "orphans" because since then you installed another package that depends > on these. > > Hope this helps. > > Sundar Nagarajan > > Wow! That really is a complete 'Howto'. Just one thing that I'm not sure about -- the part about > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) Can you explain the 'CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB' part. Blessings, Nigel From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Sat Aug 29 03:14:38 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:14:38 -0500 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <4A98883C.9010403@prayingforisrael.net> References: <571392.41811.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <15edeae40908281418j7edbdf0dtf6a97631e000e045@mail.gmail.com> <4A98883C.9010403@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200908282214.38591.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Friday 28 August 2009 08:45:32 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: > Willy Hamra wrote: > > 2009/8/28 Nigel Ridley : > >> Earl Violet wrote: > >>> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Nigel Ridley wrote: > >>> > >>>> From: Nigel Ridley > >>>> Subject: List of user installed apps > >>>> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > >>>> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:43 AM > >>>> How do I get a list of user installed > >>>> apps? (getting prepared 9.10). > >>>> Blessings, > >>>> > >>>> Nigel > >>> Are they in /opt? > >>> > >>> Earl > >>> > >> Just Firefox 3.0 and Adobe Reader 9. But those really were manual installs that I downloaded from > >> their respective websites and manually copied them to /opt > >> > >> I was referring to those that I did: > >> 'sudo apt-get install package_name' > >> > >> Blessings, > >> > >> Nigel > >> > >> > >> > > > > Nigel, i asked a similar question a while ago, let me quote from the > > ancient thread: > > > > Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> i cleaned my system from almost all the packages i don't want, digging > >> through the installed packages for more unnecessary ones, which i guess > >> is a good enough punishment for my lack of organization, random apt-get > >> sprees, and installing loads of packages at once without bothering to > >> read through them, just because some website suggested so :-P > > > > Willy, > > > > I don't think there is anything to worry about. Even if you don't use > > aptitude, you should be able to achieve what you want. For some reason, > > I only use apt-get and not aptitude ('cos I am familiar with it), and I > > like to achieve exactly what you are looking for. > > > > Declaratively, what you want is: > > You want to move from version A to version B (could be, that for a fresh > > re-install, A = B). > > > > You want to: > > ----------- > > > > - Start with a clean install of version B > > - NOT remove any packages that are part of the default install of > > version B (safety) > > > > - Know what additional packages you installed in version A - List1 > > > > - Derive the "top-level" packages that you asked for and not list all > > the new packages include those installed as dependencies - List2 > > > > - Use either List1 or List2 to quickly get Version B as close as > > possible to the current state of Version A > > > > Declaratively this becomes: > > -------------------------- > > > > Amongst the packages currently installed, select those that are not part > > of the default install - List 1 > > > > Amongst List 1, select those that are "orphans" (top-level packages) - List2 > > > > To do this, all you need are the standard tools (dpkg, grep cut etc) and > > deborphan. From the man page: "deborphan finds packages that have no > > packages depending on them. The default operation is to search only > > within the libs and oldlibs sections to hunt down unused libraries". > > If it's not installed you should install deborphan. > > > > On the clean install (even if it is a new distro), run > > dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d ' '> default-list > > > > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) > > > > You can do this e.g. by booting the LiveCD of your current (or new) > > distro. If you use the live-cd, copy default-list to some place on your > > currently installed version and reboot into your current version. > > > > In the current version run > > dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d ' '> current-list > > > > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) > > > > In the current version run > > deborphan --no-show-section -a > current-top-level > > > > cat current-list | grep -vFx -f default-list > new-packages > > This (new-packages) is List1 > > > > cat new-packages| grep -Fx -f current-top-level > packages-to- install > > This (packages-to-install) is List2 > > > > If you want to just install Version B and get it as close to your > > current state of version A as possible, I would recommend you do the > > default install, and then install everything in List1 (can also use > > List2 if you want). > > > > If you want to peruse the list of top-level packages you have asked for > > and installed, that is List2 - you MUST have asked for all these, since > > they are top-level packages. Note that there MAY be other packages that > > you had asked for and installed that are not in List2 but are in List1, > > but do not appear in List2 because they are no longer top-level > > "orphans" because since then you installed another package that depends > > on these. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Sundar Nagarajan > > > > > > Wow! That really is a complete 'Howto'. > Just one thing that I'm not sure about -- the part about > > > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) > > Can you explain the 'CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB' part. > > Blessings, > > Nigel I think that in most applications, the key-chord "Ctrl+V" is the equivalent of "Edit --> Paste" This is not true in Konsole -- where the result is "^V"! I could physically observe nothing when I similarly entered "Ctrl+{Tab}". From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Sat Aug 29 12:45:31 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:45:31 -0400 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908281126l3c936a18i84a43fde22bb73ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908271001.48050.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A97CC07.9040702@tzora.co.il> <200908281547.34895.kaj@haulrich.net> <3dde113c0908281126l3c936a18i84a43fde22bb73ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Aug 28, John DeCarlo did say: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Well, I guess it means that Adobe doesn't supply a 64-bit version? > In that case, try to uninstall Firefox (64-bit) and install the 32- > bit version. As far as I know it should run well under a 64-bit > version, at least with an AMD processor. Then proceed again as > described and install from Adobe. > > > I haven't commented, because I don't have any specific details to help with. > > However, Adobe does make a 64-bit flash plugin for Linux.  It is just a beta, but it works > for Hulu, among many other sites. > > Here is the website, where they call the latest patched version an alpha: > > http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html > > I have had problems off and on when some Kubuntu repository installs the flash plugin and I > have to go uninstall it, then make sure everything is using the beta 64-bit plugin again. > > I think if I just uninstalled any Kubuntu/Ubuntu mentions of anything related to Firefox, I > would be better off. Hello, I've got a similar problem... Only I don't really care which browser I have to use to make the flash plugin work... The 64 bit kde version of Jaunty is installed on this Gateway laptop (MT6451 Notebook PC) It has AMD Turion 64x2 processor and a 120 gig HD I can watch DVD's, But I can't watch/hear streaming video/audio???? For example when I go to: http://www.937mikefm.com I can't play the live music stream. With either opera or firefox the player window never finishes replacing the blank white area's with player parts. If I go there with konqueror it tells me I need to get adobe flash... But I activated Medibuntu and installed just about everything I could find that sounded even remotely like it might help... including kubuntu-restricted-extras which included the adobe flash (plugin & non-free) packages. Anyway I followed your link to the 64bit plugin (since the stuff the restricted-extras gave me ain't working for me...) And got the tar.gz But since: => UnderTree =-> tar -tzf libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz => libflashplayer.so => UnderTree =-> It doesn't look like the tar.gz knows where to put the libflashplayer.so file. And I'm sure I don't know where. (As I mentioned above, I really don't care which browser it works in as long as it works in at least one. But I'd like to make it work in as many of my browsers as possible so, I guess what I'm asking is after I do the: # apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin flashplugin-installer --purge 1) Where do I put the libflashplayer.so file??? 2) What symlinks do I need to make to get firefox to use it?? 3) Are there any simlinks I can make to get opera to use it?? 4) Are there any simlinks I can make to get konqueror to use it?? 5) Do I need to do anything from within any of the above browsers to get them to use it? Like for example, in firefox Do I have to manually edit anything in "edit->Preferences->applications"??? By the way, I don't know if it matters... But I'm dealing with pulseaudio... So, for example, before the adobe flashplayer actually delivered sound in my Sabayon4.2 installation I had to emerge libflashsupport to add: "pulseaudio/esd/oss audio output and HTTPS/RTMPS support to Adobe Flash 9..." -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From kaj at haulrich.net Sat Aug 29 14:44:36 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:44:36 +0200 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <3dde113c0908281126l3c936a18i84a43fde22bb73ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908291644.36810.kaj@haulrich.net> On Saturday 29 August 2009 14:45:31 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > It would appear that on Aug 28, John DeCarlo did say: > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Kaj Haulrich > > wrote: > > > > Well, I guess it means that Adobe doesn't supply a 64-bit > > version? In that case, try to uninstall Firefox (64-bit) and > > install the 32- bit version. As far as I know it should run > > well under a 64-bit version, at least with an AMD processor. > > Then proceed again as described and install from Adobe. > > > > > > I haven't commented, because I don't have any specific details > > to help with. > > > > However, Adobe does make a 64-bit flash plugin for Linux. It > > is just a beta, but it works for Hulu, among many other sites. > > > > Here is the website, where they call the latest patched version > > an alpha: > > > > http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html > > > > I have had problems off and on when some Kubuntu repository > > installs the flash plugin and I have to go uninstall it, then > > make sure everything is using the beta 64-bit plugin again. > > > > I think if I just uninstalled any Kubuntu/Ubuntu mentions of > > anything related to Firefox, I would be better off. > > Hello, I've got a similar problem... Only I don't really care > which browser I have to use to make the flash plugin work... > > The 64 bit kde version of Jaunty is installed on this Gateway > laptop (MT6451 Notebook PC) It has AMD Turion 64x2 processor and > a 120 gig HD > > I can watch DVD's, But I can't watch/hear streaming > video/audio???? For example when I go to: > http://www.937mikefm.com I can't play the live music stream. With > either opera or firefox the player window never finishes > replacing the blank white area's with player parts. If I go there > with konqueror it tells me I need to get adobe flash... But I > activated Medibuntu and installed just about everything I could > find that sounded even remotely like it might help... including > kubuntu-restricted-extras which included the adobe flash (plugin > & non-free) packages. > > Anyway I followed your link to the 64bit plugin (since the stuff > the restricted-extras gave me ain't working for me...) And got > the tar.gz But since: > => UnderTree =-> tar -tzf > libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz => > libflashplayer.so > => UnderTree =-> > It doesn't look like the tar.gz knows where to put the > libflashplayer.so file. And I'm sure I don't know where. (As I > mentioned above, I really don't care which browser it works in as > long as it works in at least one. But I'd like to make it work in > as many of my browsers as possible so, I guess what I'm asking is > after I do the: > > # apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin flashplugin-installer --purge > > 1) Where do I put the libflashplayer.so file??? > 2) What symlinks do I need to make to get firefox to use it?? > 3) Are there any simlinks I can make to get opera to use it?? > 4) Are there any simlinks I can make to get konqueror to use it?? > 5) Do I need to do anything from within any of the above browsers > to get them to use it? Like for example, in firefox Do I have to > manually edit anything in "edit->Preferences->applications"??? > > By the way, I don't know if it matters... But I'm dealing with > pulseaudio... So, for example, before the adobe flashplayer > actually delivered sound in my Sabayon4.2 installation I had to > emerge libflashsupport to add: "pulseaudio/esd/oss audio output > and HTTPS/RTMPS support to Adobe Flash 9..." ad 1) Depends... where did you extract it? - If you can't find it, then first 'sudo updatedb' and 'locate libflashplayer.so'. ad 2) Under every browser listed in /usr/lib/ you'll find a 'plugins' directory. When you've found the downloaded and extracted libflashplayer.so you must create a symbolic link to it within those 'plugins'-directories. Easiest way, if your'e not a CLI artist, is to 'sudo dolphin' and point it to where you found the libflashplayer.so. Then, split the window and navigate the right pane to /usr/lib//plugins. Finally, drag the libflashplayer.so from the left pane to the right, and choose 'link here'. Proceed with every browser you have. Close dolphin and restart browser. ad 3) If you've done as desrcibed, and put a symlink in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins then Opera should work as well. If not, just put the symlink in /usr/lib/opera/plugins. ad 4) Same as 3). ad 5) Only a restart. Exception: Google Chrome - where you'll have to edit the command in the menu editor by adding: ' --enable plugins'. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 ********* From kaj at haulrich.net Sat Aug 29 14:48:24 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:48:24 +0200 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <200908291644.36810.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908291644.36810.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <200908291648.24723.kaj@haulrich.net> On Saturday 29 August 2009 16:44:36 Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Saturday 29 August 2009 14:45:31 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > It would appear that on Aug 28, John DeCarlo did say: > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Kaj Haulrich > > > wrote: > > > > > > Well, I guess it means that Adobe doesn't supply a 64-bit > > > version? In that case, try to uninstall Firefox (64-bit) and > > > install the 32- bit version. As far as I know it should run > > > well under a 64-bit version, at least with an AMD processor. > > > Then proceed again as described and install from Adobe. > > > > > > > > > I haven't commented, because I don't have any specific > > > details to help with. > > > > > > However, Adobe does make a 64-bit flash plugin for Linux. It > > > is just a beta, but it works for Hulu, among many other > > > sites. > > > > > > Here is the website, where they call the latest patched > > > version an alpha: > > > > > > http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html > > > > > > I have had problems off and on when some Kubuntu repository > > > installs the flash plugin and I have to go uninstall it, then > > > make sure everything is using the beta 64-bit plugin again. > > > > > > I think if I just uninstalled any Kubuntu/Ubuntu mentions of > > > anything related to Firefox, I would be better off. > > > > Hello, I've got a similar problem... Only I don't really care > > which browser I have to use to make the flash plugin work... > > > > The 64 bit kde version of Jaunty is installed on this Gateway > > laptop (MT6451 Notebook PC) It has AMD Turion 64x2 processor > > and a 120 gig HD > > > > I can watch DVD's, But I can't watch/hear streaming > > video/audio???? For example when I go to: > > http://www.937mikefm.com I can't play the live music stream. > > With either opera or firefox the player window never finishes > > replacing the blank white area's with player parts. If I go > > there with konqueror it tells me I need to get adobe flash... > > But I activated Medibuntu and installed just about everything I > > could find that sounded even remotely like it might help... > > including kubuntu-restricted-extras which included the adobe > > flash (plugin & non-free) packages. > > > > Anyway I followed your link to the 64bit plugin (since the > > stuff the restricted-extras gave me ain't working for me...) > > And got the tar.gz But since: > > => UnderTree =-> tar -tzf > > libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz => > > libflashplayer.so > > => UnderTree =-> > > It doesn't look like the tar.gz knows where to put the > > libflashplayer.so file. And I'm sure I don't know where. (As I > > mentioned above, I really don't care which browser it works in > > as long as it works in at least one. But I'd like to make it > > work in as many of my browsers as possible so, I guess what I'm > > asking is after I do the: > > > > # apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin flashplugin-installer > > --purge > > > > 1) Where do I put the libflashplayer.so file??? > > 2) What symlinks do I need to make to get firefox to use it?? > > 3) Are there any simlinks I can make to get opera to use it?? > > 4) Are there any simlinks I can make to get konqueror to use > > it?? 5) Do I need to do anything from within any of the above > > browsers to get them to use it? Like for example, in firefox Do > > I have to manually edit anything in > > "edit->Preferences->applications"??? > > > > By the way, I don't know if it matters... But I'm dealing with > > pulseaudio... So, for example, before the adobe flashplayer > > actually delivered sound in my Sabayon4.2 installation I had to > > emerge libflashsupport to add: "pulseaudio/esd/oss audio output > > and HTTPS/RTMPS support to Adobe Flash 9..." > > ad 1) Depends... where did you extract it? - If you can't find > it, then first 'sudo updatedb' and 'locate libflashplayer.so'. > > ad 2) Under every browser listed in /usr/lib/ you'll find a > 'plugins' directory. When you've found the downloaded and > extracted libflashplayer.so you must create a symbolic link to it > within those 'plugins'-directories. Easiest way, if your'e not a > CLI artist, is to 'sudo dolphin' and point it to where you found > the > libflashplayer.so. Then, split the window and navigate the right > pane to /usr/lib//plugins. Finally, drag the > libflashplayer.so from the left pane to the right, and choose > 'link here'. Proceed with every browser you have. Close dolphin > and restart browser. > > ad 3) If you've done as desrcibed, and put a symlink in > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins then Opera should work as well. If not, > just put the symlink in /usr/lib/opera/plugins. > > ad 4) Same as 3). > > ad 5) Only a restart. Exception: Google Chrome - where you'll > have to edit the command in the menu editor by adding: ' --enable > plugins'. > > HTH > > Kaj Haulrich. Sorry for replying to myself, but I forgot to mention a useful link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1081964 Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 ********* From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 29 14:23:29 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:23:29 -0300 Subject: List of user installed apps References: <571392.41811.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A97F799.60108@prayingforisrael.net> <15edeae40908281418j7edbdf0dtf6a97631e000e045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18qnm6-2kk.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Willy Hamra wrote: > 2009/8/28 Nigel Ridley : >>>> How do I get a list of user installed >>>> apps? (getting prepared 9.10). >> > > Nigel, i asked a similar question a while ago, let me quote from the > ancient thread: > Ack!!! How about: aptitude search '~i !~M' | tr -s ' ' | \ cut -f 2 -d ' ' > installed.txt There's really no need for your eyes to glaze over before accomplishing this... -- derek From ggcarrasco at hotmail.com Sat Aug 29 20:48:19 2009 From: ggcarrasco at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Carrasco?=) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:48:19 +0000 Subject: how to un install a driver Message-ID: hi all, Sorry for the spam. I am new using kubuntu and linux os technology. my question is how to un install a driver (network card driver). is a "driver" sinonym of "module" in linux? Please guide me if this is not the correct mail recipient. Thanks for your help. Regards, German _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 21:18:11 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:18:11 +0200 Subject: how to un install a driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908292318.12069.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Sorry for the spam. I am new using kubuntu and linux os technology. Welcome. > my question is how to un install a driver (network card driver). is a > "driver" sinonym of "module" in linux? I don't know about the nuts and bolts, but you are on the right track. Have a look at the lsmod and rmmod commands. \d From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Aug 29 21:46:57 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:46:57 -0400 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps Message-ID: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> After upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid (briefly) then Jaunty, I can now only hear sound in KDE 4 apps. For instance, I can hear it in Amarok 2 and Dragon 2, but not (Adobe) Flash, Kaffeine, or VLC. I've Googled and looked at pages including http://www.ubuntugeek.com/simple-guide-to-sound-solutions-for-hardyintrepid-and-jaunty-jackalope-users.html and http://bigtrev.blogsome.com/2009/04/03/broken-flash-audio-on-jaunty-904-beta/ . I also realize there have been major changes to the sound architecture since Hardy (e.g. Pulseaudio), but I can't seem to find anything addressing my specific problem. I would be glad to do tests or experiments people suggest. Matthew Flaschen From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 21:48:53 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:48:53 +0200 Subject: how to un install a driver In-Reply-To: <200908292318.12069.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908292318.12069.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Donn wrote: >> Sorry for the spam. I am new using kubuntu and linux os technology. > Welcome. > >> my question is how to un install a driver (network card driver). is a >> "driver" sinonym of "module" in linux? > I don't know about the nuts and bolts, but you are on the right track. Have a > look at the lsmod and rmmod commands. > And if you don't whant the module to autoload blacklist the module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf / Jonas From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Aug 29 22:12:54 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:12:54 -0400 Subject: how to un install a driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A99A7E6.206@gatech.edu> Germán Carrasco wrote: > hi all, > > Sorry for the spam. I am new using kubuntu and linux os technology. This isn't spam. We're glad to help. > my question is how to un install a driver (network card driver). is a > "driver" sinonym of "module" in linux? Some drivers are modules, but not all (some are part of the core kernel). Anyway, if you want to know how to uninstall a driver, the obvious question is how you installed it. Matt Flaschen From myriam at kubuntu.org Sat Aug 29 22:36:11 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:36:11 +0200 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps In-Reply-To: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> References: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Hi Matthew, On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 23:46, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > After upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid (briefly) then Jaunty, I can now > only hear sound in KDE 4 apps.  For instance, I can hear it in Amarok 2 > and Dragon 2, but not (Adobe) Flash, Kaffeine, or VLC. I suppose you are using the default KDE 4.2.2, right? Then you have a KDE3 version of Kaffeine and need the correct libraries. I suggest using Dragon Player or VLC instead. Sound with Flash is another problem, but this is often due to a conflict and has not been definitely solved for now. The culprit is definitely Flash, and it causes problems, especially with the 64bit architecture. Normally the package flashplugin-installer in the multiverse repository should provide you with the correct flash version, installing from Adobe is not recommended. FWIW, it seems that Opera can handle Flash better than Firefox. I currently use Firefox-3.5 and Konqueror in KDE 4.3 in Jaunty and Konqueror seems to be able to handle Flash a bit better. But still, every now and then I have to restart the browser as the sound goes wild. > .  I also realize there have been major changes to the sound > architecture since Hardy (e.g. Pulseaudio), but I can't seem to find > anything addressing my specific problem. Pulseaudio is definitely not part of Kubuntu Jaunty, the default should be phonon with the xine backend. Installing openoffice.org unfortunately drags in pulseaudio and this leads to more than strange audio results. The current pulseaudio configuration is made for Gnome only and it needs quite some tweaking to make it work in KDE. For now, the easiest and probably best solution is to remove pulseaudio (there will be a remaining library called libpulse0 one can not remove without compromising KDE4) as the KDE applications do not need it, set the phonon backend to xine and remove gstreamer if it has been installed. The codecs can be found in kubuntu-restricted-extras. VLC should work without problem, I guess pulseaudio is again to blame and removing it should solve that. Make sure you have all three needed packages installed: vlc, libvlc2 and libvlccore0 Hope this helps. Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 22:43:59 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:43:59 +0300 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <18qnm6-2kk.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> References: <571392.41811.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A97F799.60108@prayingforisrael.net> <15edeae40908281418j7edbdf0dtf6a97631e000e045@mail.gmail.com> <18qnm6-2kk.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <15edeae40908291543q747a792dpc0a88aa0365cf8b6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/29 Derek Broughton : > Willy Hamra wrote: > >> 2009/8/28 Nigel Ridley : > >>>>> How do I get a list of user installed >>>>> apps? (getting prepared 9.10). >>> >> >> Nigel, i asked a similar question a while ago, let me quote from the >> ancient thread: >> > > Ack!!! > > How about: > >  aptitude search '~i !~M' | tr -s ' ' | \ >   cut -f 2 -d ' ' > installed.txt > > > There's really no need for your eyes to glaze over before accomplishing > this... > -- > derek > > indeed Derek, but if you ever went back to my old thread, i asked that question because i was an apt-get user and not an aptitude one :) or does this command work even when i have never used aptitude? the real question here is aptitude relying on the main package database used also by apt-get to get me the results of the above command? or is aptitude keeping track of user-installed packages in a database of its own which apt-get doesn't use/modify? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 22:47:22 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:47:22 +0300 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <200908282214.38591.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <571392.41811.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <15edeae40908281418j7edbdf0dtf6a97631e000e045@mail.gmail.com> <4A98883C.9010403@prayingforisrael.net> <200908282214.38591.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <15edeae40908291547v7fc3f504s3fd3749c1b3ad089@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/29 Bruce MacArthur : > On Friday 28 August 2009 08:45:32 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Willy Hamra wrote: >> > 2009/8/28 Nigel Ridley : >> >> Earl Violet wrote: >> >>> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Nigel Ridley > wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> From: Nigel Ridley >> >>>> Subject: List of user installed apps >> >>>> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" users at lists.ubuntu.com> >> >>>> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:43 AM >> >>>> How do I get a list of user installed >> >>>> apps? (getting prepared 9.10). >> >>>> Blessings, >> >>>> >> >>>> Nigel >> >>> Are they in /opt? >> >>> >> >>> Earl >> >>> >> >> Just Firefox 3.0 and Adobe Reader 9. But those really were manual > installs that I downloaded from >> >> their respective websites and manually copied them to /opt >> >> >> >> I was referring to those that I did: >> >> 'sudo apt-get install package_name' >> >> >> >> Blessings, >> >> >> >> Nigel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Nigel, i asked a similar question a while ago, let me quote from the >> > ancient thread: >> > >> > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> >> i cleaned my system from almost all the packages i don't want, > digging >> >> through the installed packages for more unnecessary ones, which i > guess >> >> is a good enough punishment for my lack of organization, random > apt-get >> >> sprees, and installing loads of packages at once without bothering > to >> >> read through them, just because some website suggested so :-P >> > >> > Willy, >> > >> > I don't think there is anything to worry about. Even if you don't > use >> > aptitude, you should be able to achieve what you want. For some > reason, >> > I only use apt-get and not aptitude ('cos I am familiar with it), > and I >> > like to achieve exactly what you are looking for. >> > >> > Declaratively, what you want is: >> > You want to move from version A to version B (could be, that for a > fresh >> > re-install, A = B). >> > >> > You want to: >> > ----------- >> > >> > - Start with a clean install of version B >> > - NOT remove any packages that are part of the default install of >> > version B (safety) >> > >> > - Know what additional packages you installed in version A - List1 >> > >> > - Derive the "top-level" packages that you asked for and not list > all >> > the new packages include those installed as dependencies - List2 >> > >> > - Use either List1 or List2 to quickly get Version B as close as >> > possible to the current state of Version A >> > >> > Declaratively this becomes: >> > -------------------------- >> > >> > Amongst the packages currently installed, select those that are not > part >> > of the default install - List 1 >> > >> > Amongst List 1, select those that are "orphans" (top-level packages) > - List2 >> > >> > To do this, all you need are the standard tools (dpkg, grep cut etc) > and >> > deborphan. From the man page: "deborphan finds  packages that have > no >> > packages depending on them. The default operation is to search only >> > within the libs  and  oldlibs  sections to hunt down unused > libraries". >> > If it's not installed you should install deborphan. >> > >> > On the clean install (even if it is a new distro), run >> > dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d '    '> default-list >> > >> > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB >> > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) >> > >> > You can do this e.g. by booting the LiveCD of your current (or new) >> > distro. If you use the live-cd, copy default-list to some place on > your >> > currently installed version and reboot into your current version. >> > >> > In the current version run >> > dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d '    '> current-list >> > >> > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB >> > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) >> > >> > In the current version run >> > deborphan --no-show-section -a > current-top-level >> > >> > cat current-list | grep -vFx -f default-list > new-packages >> > This (new-packages) is List1 >> > >> > cat new-packages| grep -Fx -f current-top-level > packages-to- > install >> > This (packages-to-install) is List2 >> > >> > If you want to just install Version B and get it as close to your >> > current state of version A as possible, I would recommend you do the >> > default install, and then install everything in List1 (can also use >> > List2 if you want). >> > >> > If you want to peruse the list of top-level packages you have asked > for >> > and installed, that is List2 - you MUST have asked for all these, > since >> > they are top-level packages. Note that there MAY be other packages > that >> > you had asked for and installed that are not in List2 but are in > List1, >> > but do not appear in List2 because they are no longer top-level >> > "orphans" because since then you installed another package that > depends >> > on these. >> > >> > Hope this helps. >> > >> > Sundar Nagarajan >> > >> > >> >> Wow! That really is a complete 'Howto'. >> Just one thing that I'm not sure about -- the part about >> >>  > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB >>  > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) >> >> Can you explain the 'CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB' part. >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel > > I think that in most applications, the key-chord "Ctrl+V" is the > equivalent of "Edit --> Paste"  This is not true in Konsole -- where the > result is "^V"!  I could physically observe nothing when I similarly > entered "Ctrl+{Tab}". > > indeed, these never worked with me. the easiest way, open a text editor that recognizes the "TAB" key, and doesn't replace it with a series of spaces. i believe kate works well here. type a "TAB" key, select and copy it, then paste it in konsole using your mouse, or using CTRL+SHIFT+V. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sat Aug 29 23:10:14 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:10:14 -0400 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps In-Reply-To: References: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <4A99B556.4050900@gatech.edu> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > I suppose you are using the default KDE 4.2.2, right? Yes. > Then you have a KDE3 version of Kaffeine and need the correct libraries. I don't really care about Kaffeine per se (it was just an example that KDE 3 apps don't work). However, what libraries are you referring to? > Sound with Flash is another problem, but this is often due to a > conflict and has not been definitely solved for now. The culprit is > definitely Flash, and it causes problems, especially with the 64bit > architecture. I don't have a 64-bit processor, and as I said it isn't just Flash. /Nothing/ (that I've tried) besides KDE 4 apps plays sound. > Normally the package flashplugin-installer in the > multiverse repository should provide you with the correct flash > version, installing from Adobe is not recommended. I tried that. However, that /does/ install from Adobe, per the package description (http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/flashplugin-installer) > FWIW, it seems that Opera can handle Flash better than Firefox. I would prefer not to install Opera, and I really doubt that's the issue . > Pulseaudio is definitely not part of Kubuntu Jaunty, the default > should be phonon with the xine backend. Installing openoffice.org > unfortunately drags in pulseaudio and this leads to more than strange > audio results. Of course, I do have openoffice.org, as well as many other GTK and/or GNOME apps. > For now, the easiest and probably best solution is to remove > pulseaudio (there will be a remaining library called libpulse0 one can > not remove without compromising KDE4) as the KDE applications do not > need it, set the phonon backend to xine and remove gstreamer if it has > been installed. Can you clarify this a bit more? Which packages should be removed, and how do I change the phonon backend? The codecs can be found in kubuntu-restricted-extras. > > VLC should work without problem, I guess pulseaudio is again to blame > and removing it should solve that. Make sure you have all three needed > packages installed: vlc, libvlc2 and libvlccore0 Thank you. When I ran: sudo apt-get install vlc libvlc2 libvlccore0 it upgraded vlc and brought in several dependencies. I think this was because I didn't have multiverse enabled while dist-upgrading. I did a apt-get upgrade after that, which brought in a upgrade to vlc-plugin-pulse among other things. gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse, mplayer, and a couple other packages were kept back. Finally, I did a vlc reinstall. I should also note that I had some multimedia code, including vlc, built from source. Hopefully, I've cleared that out. > Hope this helps. Thanks very much, Matt Flaschen From john.j35 at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 03:05:40 2009 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:05:40 -0400 Subject: how to un install a driver In-Reply-To: <4A99A7E6.206@gatech.edu> References: <4A99A7E6.206@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Germán Carrasco wrote: >> hi all, >> >> Sorry for the spam. I am new using kubuntu and linux os technology. > > This isn't spam.  We're glad to help. > >> my question is how to un install a driver (network card driver). is a >> "driver" sinonym of "module" in linux? > > Some drivers are modules, but not all (some are part of the core > kernel).  Anyway, if you want to know how to uninstall a driver, the > obvious question is how you installed it. > > Matt Flaschen > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I would use modprobe -r to remove a module from the running kernel. Using rmmod can make a system unstable, more so than using modprobe to remove it. If I remember correctly modprobe -r will take care of any dependencies in the module chain, rmmod will just force the module out. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From phantom21 at mindspring.com Sun Aug 30 07:24:46 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:24:46 -0400 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel Message-ID: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> I've upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and I'm not happy with the look and feel of kde 4.3. I liked 3.5 and how it worked. In many ways I liken the changes in look and feel of 4.3 to the changes microsoft made to their desktop from XP to vista. And I thought that was a mistake as people had to relearn how to use their desktop. As a consultant I heard a lot of complaints about that, and when I showed them KDE 3.5, they were much more likely to move from windows vista to Linux as a result. Is there a way to keep 4.3 but make it look like 3.5? Is there a skin or some such for this? Thanks, Mark From myriam at kubuntu.org Sun Aug 30 07:30:42 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:30:42 +0200 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps In-Reply-To: <4A99B556.4050900@gatech.edu> References: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> <4A99B556.4050900@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Hi Matthew, On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 01:10, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> I suppose you are using the default KDE 4.2.2, right? > > Yes. > >> Then you have a KDE3 version of Kaffeine and need the correct libraries. > > I don't really care about Kaffeine per se (it was just an example that > KDE 3 apps don't work).  However, what libraries are you referring to? Well, the kde3 libraries. But if you have pulseaudio I am pretty sure this is the problem. ... >> For now, the easiest and probably best solution is to remove >> pulseaudio (there will be a remaining library called libpulse0 one can >> not remove without compromising KDE4) as the KDE applications do not >> need it, set the phonon backend to xine and remove gstreamer if it has >> been installed. > > Can you clarify this a bit more?  Which packages should be removed, and > how do I change the phonon backend? 'sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio' should do the necessary. Make sure you also remove gstreamer and vlc-pulse, if this is not done automatically already by the above command. Removing ~/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc is also a good idea after that, just to make sure it really removes the unnecessary backends. Configuration for phonon is in System Settings -> Multimedia. You will still have pulseaudio showing there, but it should be at the bottom. Make sure you have the xine backend showing in the 'backend' tab of that GUI Regards. Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sun Aug 30 08:03:15 2009 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:03:15 +0100 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps In-Reply-To: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> References: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <200908300903.15494.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Saturday 29 August 2009 22:46:57 Matthew Flaschen wrote: > After upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid (briefly) then Jaunty, I can now > only hear sound in KDE 4 apps. For instance, I can hear it in Amarok 2 > and Dragon 2, but not (Adobe) Flash, Kaffeine, or VLC. I had a similar problem when I upgraded my daughter's machine yesterday, in the end I found that the PCM slider in KMix was turned right down and turning it up gave me sound in Kaffeine. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Aug 30 08:10:23 2009 From: girardhenri at free.fr (girardhenri at free.fr) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:10:23 +0200 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Halegua" Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:24 AM To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel > I've upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and I'm not happy with the look and feel of > kde > 4.3. I liked 3.5 and how it worked. > > In many ways I liken the changes in look and feel of 4.3 to the changes > microsoft made to their desktop from XP to vista. And I thought that was > a > mistake as people had to relearn how to use their desktop. As a > consultant I > heard a lot of complaints about that, and when I showed them KDE 3.5, they > were much more likely to move from windows vista to Linux as a result. > > Is there a way to keep 4.3 but make it look like 3.5? Is there a skin or > some > such for this? > > Thanks, > > Mark > > -- Very strange as kde4.3 looks more vista like than kde3.5 ? going backward is not really a good way, maybe better learn new stuff > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Aug 30 08:36:13 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:36:13 -0400 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps In-Reply-To: References: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> <4A99B556.4050900@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <4A9A39FD.6030703@gatech.edu> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > 'sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio' should do the necessary. Make sure you > also remove gstreamer and vlc-pulse, if this is not done automatically > already by the above command. The problem is that removing everything related to gstreamer seems to result in losing OOo, which I don't want to do. Perhaps I only need to remove some gstreamer-related packages? > Configuration for phonon is in System Settings -> Multimedia. You will > still have pulseaudio showing there, but it should be at the bottom. > Make sure you have the xine backend showing in the 'backend' tab of > that GUI Xine is already the only Backend showing on that screen. Pulseaudio shows up under Default Output Device Preference (on the other tab). However, it is the third option, after my sound card directly HDA Intel (STAC92xx Analog) and HDA Intel (STAC92xx Digital). Incidentally, Esound is below Pulseaudio. Further, the direct analog output to the sound card is the only one I hear when I press Test on that screen. Matthew Flaschen From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Sun Aug 30 08:39:00 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:39:00 -0400 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps In-Reply-To: <200908300903.15494.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> <200908300903.15494.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A9A3AA4.4010906@gatech.edu> Mark Fraser wrote: > On Saturday 29 August 2009 22:46:57 Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> After upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid (briefly) then Jaunty, I can now >> only hear sound in KDE 4 apps. For instance, I can hear it in Amarok 2 >> and Dragon 2, but not (Adobe) Flash, Kaffeine, or VLC. > > I had a similar problem when I upgraded my daughter's machine yesterday, in > the end I found that the PCM slider in KMix was turned right down and turning > it up gave me sound in Kaffeine. I read that somewhere earlier. However, turning that up does not restore audio for me to non-KDE 4 apps. Thanks, Matthew Flaschen From phantom21 at mindspring.com Sun Aug 30 08:44:23 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:44:23 -0400 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> Message-ID: <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> On Sunday 30 August 2009 04:10:23 am girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Mark Halegua" > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:24 AM > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel > > > I've upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and I'm not happy with the look and feel of > > kde > > 4.3. I liked 3.5 and how it worked. > > > > In many ways I liken the changes in look and feel of 4.3 to the changes > > microsoft made to their desktop from XP to vista. And I thought that was > > a > > mistake as people had to relearn how to use their desktop. As a > > consultant I > > heard a lot of complaints about that, and when I showed them KDE 3.5, > > they were much more likely to move from windows vista to Linux as a > > result. > > > > Is there a way to keep 4.3 but make it look like 3.5? Is there a skin or > > some > > such for this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Very strange as kde4.3 looks more vista like than kde3.5 ? > going backward is not really a good way, maybe better learn new stuff Missing the point.  I liked the way 3.5 worked.  I'm used to the way it worked, and I shouldn't be forced to (like Microsoft keeps doing) to work in a different way just because someone else thinks it better. I was under the impression that Linux, open source, etc. gave people choices, not forced people into doing things "their way." If people like the way KDE 4.3 works, that's fine.  But, don't remove the choice of working the way 3.5 did. Another point I should make is, change is neither good nor bad. But, unless there's a good reason for change, change for change's sake is usually not good. Mark From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 09:06:37 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:06:37 +0200 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200908301106.37359.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday 30 August 2009 10:44:23 Mark Halegua wrote: > I liked the way 3.5 worked.. I shouldn't be forced to .. work > in a different way As much as I rail against reality, gravity still sucks. You feel legitimately irked, but that won't roll-back time. You have three choices: 1) Go back to 3.5 and stay for as long as it takes to go totally stale. 2) Stick with 4.x and shrug. 3) Go use some other WM/desktop. With Windows you kind of get choices 1 and 2 (stay or upgrade) and choice 3 is all kinds of spotty. > just because someone else thinks it better. Those 'someone else's are just people coding for their passion (and some get paid, but not all) -- code moves-on. Stuff changes. If it did not we would not *have* Kubuntu at all. > I was under the impression that Linux, open source, etc. gave people > choices, not forced people into doing things "their way." You have the wrong idea. You really have to do it the way your distro does it. That or start your own distro. Within that awful gulag of oppression you can choose a vast array of desktops and managers and styles and apps; but that's only icing on a cold, cruel regime that is really out to mindwash you and install malware into your brain. > If people like the way KDE 4.3 works, that's fine. But, don't remove the > choice of working the way 3.5 did. Sounds like a reasonable position, but objects and functions and millions of variables and, oh I don't know... algorithms and flowcharts and... decisions and ... ideas and ..fun! all kind of move things away from the old. > unless there's a good reason for change, change for change's sake is > usually not good. I get your shock and disappointment, I do, I feel sad about my 64bit Kubuntu and will be wiping and going 32bit when Karmic hits; but you should just let this go now. I predict a thread from hades will now form which will eventually get pruned by our wily admins. If you want to continue your thoughts, search the archives -- there have been recent threads on this subject. Or take it to Sounder. \d From ck.thrissur at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 09:10:54 2009 From: ck.thrissur at gmail.com (ck raju) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:40:54 +0530 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: You can keep your 3.5 with you, please do not force us to change to 3.5 for sake of change! CK Raju From kassube at gmx.net Sun Aug 30 09:16:32 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:16:32 +0200 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200908301116.32490.kassube@gmx.net> Mark Halegua wrote: > Missing the point. I liked the way 3.5 worked. I'm used to the way > it worked, and I shouldn't be forced to (like Microsoft keeps doing) > to work in a different way just because someone else thinks it > better. > > I was under the impression that Linux, open source, etc. gave people > choices, not forced people into doing things "their way." Nobody forces you to use KDE4 but if you want to use a new version of Kubuntu, it is difficult to stay with KDE3 because Kubuntu is using KDE4 (since 8.10). I wouldn't expect Kubuntu to return to KDE3. There was a project to install KDE3 with Kubuntu 8.10 but I don't know if it works with 9.04 also: Nils From phantom21 at mindspring.com Sun Aug 30 09:58:02 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:58:02 -0400 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <200908301106.37359.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908301106.37359.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908300558.02353.phantom21@mindspring.com> On Sunday 30 August 2009 05:06:37 am Donn wrote: > On Sunday 30 August 2009 10:44:23 Mark Halegua wrote: > > I liked the way 3.5 worked.. I shouldn't be forced to .. work > > in a different way > > As much as I rail against reality, gravity still sucks. You feel > legitimately irked, but that won't roll-back time. > You have three choices: 1) Go back to 3.5 and stay for as long as it takes > to go totally stale. 2) Stick with 4.x and shrug. 3) Go use some other > WM/desktop. > With Windows you kind of get choices 1 and 2 (stay or upgrade) and choice 3 > is all kinds of spotty. > > > just because someone else thinks it better. > > Those 'someone else's are just people coding for their passion (and some > get paid, but not all) -- code moves-on. Stuff changes. If it did not we > would not *have* Kubuntu at all. > > > I was under the impression that Linux, open source, etc. gave people > > choices, not forced people into doing things "their way." > > You have the wrong idea. You really have to do it the way your distro does > it. That or start your own distro. > Within that awful gulag of oppression you can choose a vast array of > desktops and managers and styles and apps; but that's only icing on a cold, > cruel regime that is really out to mindwash you and install malware into > your brain. > > > If people like the way KDE 4.3 works, that's fine. But, don't remove the > > choice of working the way 3.5 did. > > Sounds like a reasonable position, but objects and functions and millions > of variables and, oh I don't know... algorithms and flowcharts and... > decisions and ... ideas and ..fun! all kind of move things away from the > old. > > > unless there's a good reason for change, change for change's sake is > > usually not good. > > I get your shock and disappointment, I do, I feel sad about my 64bit > Kubuntu and will be wiping and going 32bit when Karmic hits; but you should > just let this go now. > > I predict a thread from hades will now form which will eventually get > pruned by our wily admins. If you want to continue your thoughts, search > the archives -- there have been recent threads on this subject. Or take it > to Sounder. > > \d I'm not adverse to change when it means something will improve.  Neither am I going to rail and gnash.  I was simply asking a simple question.  If the answer is no, then I have some decisions to make, plain and simple. I do understand the people coding are doing it for the joy of it and are making decisions I may not necessarily agree with.  I've been using KDE because I felt it was the best of the best.  If I can't agree with that still being the case, well, as I said above, I have some decisions to make. I was simply asking a question, looking for answers and perhaps some pointers. And making my preferences known. Mark From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 11:22:44 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:22:44 +0200 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <200908300558.02353.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908301106.37359.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200908300558.02353.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Mark Halegua wrote: > > I'm not adverse to change when it means something will improve.  Neither am I > going to rail and gnash.  I was simply asking a simple question.  If the > answer is no, then I have some decisions to make, plain and simple. > > I do understand the people coding are doing it for the joy of it and are > making decisions I may not necessarily agree with.  I've been using KDE > because I felt it was the best of the best.  If I can't agree with that still > being the case, well, as I said above, I have some decisions to make. > > I was simply asking a question, looking for answers and perhaps some pointers. > There are some things you can do to make it look more like KDE 3.5, like deactivate desktop effects, use a folder for desktop, use startmenu classic, change colors/styles and window decoration to resemble a default KDE 3, remove widgets. You still got the KDE 4 programs, if you don't like theme your only choice is to run KDE 3 with its programs but there aint much of support for programs using KDE 3. / Jonas From tuxebi at gmx.de Sun Aug 30 12:23:33 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:23:33 +0200 Subject: how to un install a driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Germán Carrasco wrote: > hi all, > > Sorry for the spam. I am new using kubuntu and linux os technology. > > my question is how to un install a driver (network card driver). is a > "driver" sinonym of "module" in linux? > > Please guide me if this is not the correct mail recipient. > > Thanks for your help. > Regards, German > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See all the ways you can stay connected to friends and family > > Generally, there is no such thing like installing or uninstalling drivers in linux. Well, there are exceptions to the rule... So, what exactly is the problem you are facing? Kind regards Eberhard From myriam at kubuntu.org Sun Aug 30 12:32:08 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:32:08 +0200 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps In-Reply-To: <4A9A39FD.6030703@gatech.edu> References: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> <4A99B556.4050900@gatech.edu> <4A9A39FD.6030703@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:36, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > >> 'sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio' should do the necessary. Make sure you >> also remove gstreamer and vlc-pulse, if this is not done automatically >> already by the above command. > > The problem is that removing everything related to gstreamer seems to > result in losing OOo, which I don't want to do.  Perhaps I only need to > remove some gstreamer-related packages? I just checked here, gstreamer shouldn't be a problem without pulseaudio. Just try avoiding to use it for KDE4 applications, it has some bugs with phonon that really cause trouble. Let's hope this will be solved in karmic. >> Configuration for phonon is in System Settings -> Multimedia. You will >> still have pulseaudio showing there, but it should be at the bottom. >> Make sure you have the xine backend showing in the 'backend' tab of >> that GUI > > Xine is already the only Backend showing on that screen.  Pulseaudio > shows up under Default Output Device Preference (on the other tab). > However, it is the third option, after my sound card directly HDA Intel > (STAC92xx Analog) and HDA Intel (STAC92xx Digital).  Incidentally, > Esound is below Pulseaudio.  Further, the direct analog output to the > sound card is the only one I hear when I press Test on that screen. That's how it should work, indeed, and you should now have sound in KDE4 for all applications. Did you restart KDE since you made these changes? That is necessary to reload phonon with the correct settings, after having removed pulseaudio, pushed the remaining option in the phonon settings to the bottom (that can't be removed completely as libpulse0 is still installed) and having removed the phonodevicesrc file in ~/.kde/share/config/ Hope this helps Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Aug 30 14:17:41 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:17:41 -0400 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200908301017.42033.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 30 August 2009, Mark Halegua wrote: > If people like the way KDE 4.3 works, that's fine. But, don't remove the > choice of working the way 3.5 did. Then take the 3.5 source code and maintain it for yourself. The point I am making is that the KDE group has moved on and there is no one to support the old code. For good or bad, that's the way it is. But you still have a lot of choices. I have switched to XFCE but still use all of the KDE4.x programs like kmail, etc. It looks and works like 3.5 with just a few minor changes. There are lots of other choices.... other window managers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Aug 30 14:41:11 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:41:11 -0400 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <4A9A8F87.4080505@midmaine.com> Mark Halegua wrote: > On Sunday 30 August 2009 04:10:23 am girardhenri at free.fr wrote: >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Mark Halegua" >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:24 AM >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" >> Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel >> >>> I've upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and I'm not happy with the look and feel of >>> kde >>> 4.3. I liked 3.5 and how it worked. >>> >>> In many ways I liken the changes in look and feel of 4.3 to the changes >>> microsoft made to their desktop from XP to vista. And I thought that was >>> a >>> mistake as people had to relearn how to use their desktop. As a >>> consultant I >>> heard a lot of complaints about that, and when I showed them KDE 3.5, >>> they were much more likely to move from windows vista to Linux as a >>> result. >>> >>> Is there a way to keep 4.3 but make it look like 3.5? Is there a skin or >>> some >>> such for this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -- >> Very strange as kde4.3 looks more vista like than kde3.5 ? >> going backward is not really a good way, maybe better learn new stuff > > Missing the point. I liked the way 3.5 worked. I'm used to the way it > worked, and I shouldn't be forced to (like Microsoft keeps doing) to work in > a different way just because someone else thinks it better. > > I was under the impression that Linux, open source, etc. gave people choices, > not forced people into doing things "their way." > > If people like the way KDE 4.3 works, that's fine. But, don't remove the > choice of working the way 3.5 did. They haven't, for the most part. As already mentioned, you can change your desktop motif from the standard widget-based plasma desktop to the 'classic' icon and folder-based desktop by selecting 'folder view' in your desktop settings (right-click menu on the desktop) As also mentioned, you can switch to the classic menu as well, and in KDE4.3, there are more settings and options that make it pretty much like the old style menu. Of course, the actual applications still work they way they have done before. Kontact still looks and works like it did before for example. > Another point I should make is, change is neither good nor bad. But, unless > there's a good reason for change, change for change's sake is usually not > good. > In this case the only way the devs felt they could improve KDE was to start from scratch as the 3.x codebase was becoming too full of hacks and workarounds (to add all the features users wanted) that it was becoming to difficult to maintain and improve without things starting to become seriously broken. clay > Mark > > From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Sun Aug 30 15:22:29 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:22:29 -0400 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <200908291644.36810.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <3dde113c0908281126l3c936a18i84a43fde22bb73ce@mail.gmail.com> <200908291644.36810.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: It would appear that on Aug 29, Kaj Haulrich did say: > On Saturday 29 August 2009 14:45:31 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > It doesn't look like the tar.gz knows where to put the > > libflashplayer.so file. And I'm sure I don't know where. (As I > > mentioned above, I really don't care which browser it works in as > > long as it works in at least one. But I'd like to make it work in > > as many of my browsers as possible so, I guess what I'm asking is > > after I do the: > > > > # apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin flashplugin-installer --purge > > > > 1) Where do I put the libflashplayer.so file??? > > 2) What symlinks do I need to make to get firefox to use it?? > > 3) Are there any simlinks I can make to get opera to use it?? > > 4) Are there any simlinks I can make to get konqueror to use it?? > > 5) Do I need to do anything from within any of the above browsers > > to get them to use it? Like for example, in firefox Do I have to > > manually edit anything in "edit->Preferences->applications"??? > ad 1) Depends... where did you extract it? - If you can't find it, > then first 'sudo updatedb' and 'locate libflashplayer.so'. I hadn't yet, I like to know where I'm untarring what... So I started with a tar -tzf ... And decided to ask. If there isn't any better place, then I may as well put it in /usr/local/lib. And then symlink it from there to the /plugins dirs, as you describe... > ad 2) Under every browser listed in /usr/lib/ you'll find a > 'plugins' directory. When you've found the downloaded and extracted > libflashplayer.so you must create a symbolic link to it within those > 'plugins'-directories. Easiest way, if your'e not a CLI artist, is > to 'sudo dolphin' and point it to where you found the > libflashplayer.so. Then, split the window and navigate the right > pane to /usr/lib//plugins. Finally, drag the > libflashplayer.so from the left pane to the right, and choose 'link > here'. Proceed with every browser you have. Close dolphin and > restart browser. Well I don't know that I'm a CLI "artist" I think I'd need to have a better understanding for that. But I'm very much GUI incompatible. So for me the process would be to put extract the file to: /usr/local/lib/libflashplayer.so cd /usr/lib//plugins man ln # to refresh my memory if it's 1) 'link source-file' or 2) 'source-file link' # Oh, it's 2... in which case: ln -s /usr/local/lib/libflashplayer.so libflashplayer.so (check browsers for flash functionality. And as needed, cd /usr/lib//plugins ln -s /usr/local/lib/libflashplayer.so libflashplayer.so Even with my fat fingers, I could have 3 symlinks this way faster than my mouse skills could successfully drag the right file to the other side of the screen, just once... > ad 3) If you've done as desrcibed, and put a symlink in > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins then Opera should work as well. If not, > just put the symlink in /usr/lib/opera/plugins. Putting the symlink in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins solved this for both firefox AND opera... One small annoyance: Closeing the player window from http://www.937mikefm.com in either firefox, or opera causes the browser to crash... But it does work... which is mor than I can say for the flash stuff I got via apt-get... There was also a slight wrinkle that kaffeine lost the ability to play encrited dvd's... I did an "apt-cache search dvd" And installed several packages from the resulting list... Now the dvd player works again. > ad 4) Same as 3). Konqueror is another story: there doesn't seam to be a /usr/lib/konqueror dir... Konqueror still told me I needed to install flash untill opened it's "configure konqueror" And told it to scan for plugins... Then it almost worked but with konqueror the player never finishes developing. But since it works in both firefox & Opera, I don't care about it not working there. > ad 5) Only a restart. Exception: Google Chrome - where you'll have > to edit the command in the menu editor by adding: ' --enable > plugins'. Don't think I got Google Chrome. What is it? And would Kubuntu have automatically installed it??? But lets not forget the all important step 6... 6) Thank the helpful expert... Thank you Kaj Haulrich, may your kindness come back to you and bless you a thousandfold. -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <> From phantom21 at mindspring.com Sun Aug 30 15:49:10 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:49:10 -0400 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <4A9A8F87.4080505@midmaine.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> <4A9A8F87.4080505@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200908301149.11361.> On Sunday 30 August 2009 10:41:11 am clay weber wrote: > Mark Halegua wrote: > > On Sunday 30 August 2009 04:10:23 am girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Mark Halegua" > >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:24 AM > >> To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > >> Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel > >> > >>> I've upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 and I'm not happy with the look and feel > >>> of kde > >>> 4.3. I liked 3.5 and how it worked. > >>> > >>> In many ways I liken the changes in look and feel of 4.3 to the changes > >>> microsoft made to their desktop from XP to vista. And I thought that > >>> was a > >>> mistake as people had to relearn how to use their desktop. As a > >>> consultant I > >>> heard a lot of complaints about that, and when I showed them KDE 3.5, > >>> they were much more likely to move from windows vista to Linux as a > >>> result. > >>> > >>> Is there a way to keep 4.3 but make it look like 3.5? Is there a skin > >>> or some > >>> such for this? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> -- > >> > >> Very strange as kde4.3 looks more vista like than kde3.5 ? > >> going backward is not really a good way, maybe better learn new stuff > > > > Missing the point. I liked the way 3.5 worked. I'm used to the way it > > worked, and I shouldn't be forced to (like Microsoft keeps doing) to work > > in a different way just because someone else thinks it better. > > > > I was under the impression that Linux, open source, etc. gave people > > choices, not forced people into doing things "their way." > > > > If people like the way KDE 4.3 works, that's fine. But, don't remove the > > choice of working the way 3.5 did. > > They haven't, for the most part. As already mentioned, you can change > your desktop motif from the standard widget-based plasma desktop to the > 'classic' icon and folder-based desktop by selecting 'folder view' in > your desktop settings (right-click menu on the desktop) > > As also mentioned, you can switch to the classic menu as well, and in > KDE4.3, there are more settings and options that make it pretty much > like the old style menu. > > Of course, the actual applications still work they way they have done > before. Kontact still looks and works like it did before for example. > Clay, Thanks. Your response was what I was looking for and the most helpful in answering my questions. I've now managed to change to the classic view menu and will make other changes as I go along. This feels more comfortable. Mark From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sun Aug 30 16:24:21 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:24:21 -0700 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> Message-ID: <200908300924.21717.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Sunday 30 August 2009 1:10:23 am girardhenri at free.fr wrote: > Very strange as kde4.3 looks more vista like than kde3.5 ? So it looks more like a Yugo. If I don't like Yugo's style why would I want it to look like one? Looking like vista is a major reason to dump the whole thing and find something with a little style. > going backward is not really a good way, maybe better learn new stuff Copying IS going backward! Nothing new about it. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From kaj at haulrich.net Sun Aug 30 17:44:07 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:44:07 +0200 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908291644.36810.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <200908301944.07405.kaj@haulrich.net> On Sunday 30 August 2009 17:22:29 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > Don't think I got Google Chrome. What is it? And would Kubuntu > have automatically installed it??? > > But lets not forget the all important step 6... Google Chrome is a browser currently developed by Google. It's not in a stable version yet, but it's way faster than Firefox and maybe even Opera 10-beta. Still lacks certain capabilities though, like adblock, noscript (both are 'must-haves' for me) and font configuations. > 6) Thank the helpful expert... Well, no expert - far from it. Just a curious guy.. And you're welcome. Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 ********* From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 30 21:49:48 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:49:48 -0400 Subject: kmail doesn't work after new update. In-Reply-To: <200908201539.55306.jongleur@liripipe.com> References: <200908141542.34445.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908201302.53557.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <200908201539.55306.jongleur@liripipe.com> Message-ID: <200908301749.48656.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Trim > Following your bug report post, I see that you are not receiving email as > well as not being able to send it, and that this occurred after installing > 8 updates on 8/17. I just got access to email again. Sorry to be so slow in response. I am not sure about the date as 8/17, but I suspect it is the correct date. > Did you install or configure any other software at that > time? Nothing at all. The updates was the only installation of anything that I can remember. I suppose I may have forgotten something, but I don't think so and don't know how to check to make sure. > Are you running any sort of firewall program? Whatever the default firewall is that Kubuntu provides is the only firewall I use. I don't know much about firewalls, but how would I find what firewalls are installed on my computer? > Earlier you had > intended to install moblock. Did you get that working? If you did try > turning it off (or any other firewall that you have running) and see if > you can get and receive mail. Yes I got Moblock working. It was working for quite a while without any effect on kmail or the normal operation of the computer. I am on another computer right now, so I will have to try shutting down moblock and trying kmail when back on my main computer. How do I locate and shut down whatever firewall may be on my computer? > > Do you know what the 8 updates were for? If not you can run: > > cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep 2009-08-17 > > to see what you changed on 8/17. Or you can open the file in kate and look > at the lines dated 2009-08-17 -- you don't need to use sudo or kdesuo in > either case. It has been so long that I have not had communication, I will look at the log. I am not sure I will understand what it says. I have already lost time from your help, and it will take some more for me to satisfy your recommendations, but thanks for continuing to help me. I will get back to you as soon as I can. I will copy to a thumb drive, the log, if I can recognize the changes and send them to you. Steven > > John Vifian From mailinglist at endosquid.com Mon Aug 31 06:09:42 2009 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:09:42 -0400 Subject: [Gimp-user] Installing 2.6.7 in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <31258.1251616697@olecarme.homelinux.net> References: <20090830005629.E13A6180215F8@a.dev001.net> <200908300537.36559.jozef.legeny@insa-rennes.fr> <31258.1251616697@olecarme.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <200908310209.42537.mailinglist@endosquid.com> > > From this article : > > http://lazyubuntu.com/how-to-install-gimp-267-on-ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackal > >ope.html I assume that the gegl and babl libraries are included in one of > > the GetDeb packages. > > I cannot understand why Ubuntu is celebrated for its ease of use, > considering how many people complain about similar issues and suggest so > complicated solutions. You're right. We must all be wrong to celebrate it. Thank you for setting me straight. From mailinglist at endosquid.com Mon Aug 31 06:13:31 2009 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:13:31 -0400 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <200908301106.37359.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> <200908301106.37359.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908310213.31889.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Sunday 30 August 2009, Donn wrote: > As much as I rail against reality, gravity still sucks. You feel > legitimately irked, but that won't roll-back time. > You have three choices: 1) Go back to 3.5 and stay for as long as it takes > to go totally stale. 2) Stick with 4.x and shrug. 3) Go use some other > WM/desktop. I hate answers like this. NO, there is a 4th option, the actual thing the OP was asking for: ways in which to make 4.3 look/feel like 3.5. Why not answer his question with something substantive, or not answer with jerk responses? To the OP, yes, there are many options. Turning off the new menu (Right clicking on the K menu, and choosing the old style, also, adding bookmsrks, etc. back), turning off all desktop effects, and adding widgets to the taskbar to approximate the old-style 3.5 bars. It takes a bit of work, but can net you a 3.5-like system as far as you can manage. Hope that helps. From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Aug 31 08:17:46 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:17:46 -0400 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps In-Reply-To: References: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> <4A99B556.4050900@gatech.edu> <4A9A39FD.6030703@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <4A9B872A.7050501@gatech.edu> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > I just checked here, gstreamer shouldn't be a problem without > pulseaudio. Just try avoiding to use it for KDE4 applications, it has > some bugs with phonon that really cause trouble. Let's hope this will > be solved in karmic. > > [snip] > > Did you restart KDE since you made these changes? That is necessary > to reload phonon with the correct settings, after having removed pulseaudio, > pushed the remaining option in the phonon settings to the bottom > (that can't be removed completely as libpulse0 is still installed) > and having removed the phonodevicesrc file in ~/.kde/share/config/ Thank you. I did: sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio vlc-plugin-pulse sudo apt-get install vlc libvlc2 libvlccore0 rm ~/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc then killed X (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace), logged back in, then ran: asoundconf set-default-card Intel This last part was prompted by some part of update-manager/Adept. Probably, what really fixed it was removing pulseaudio and phonondevicesrc I tested and both VLC and Flash have working sound. However, one can not access the sound device if the other is already open. For instance, if Flash is open, then vlc gives: oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp) The opposite is true too. If VLC already has the audio device, then Flash has no sound. So something is still wrong with the config. Thanks again, Matt Flaschen From myriam at kubuntu.org Mon Aug 31 10:52:21 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:52:21 +0200 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps In-Reply-To: <4A9B872A.7050501@gatech.edu> References: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> <4A99B556.4050900@gatech.edu> <4A9A39FD.6030703@gatech.edu> <4A9B872A.7050501@gatech.edu> Message-ID: Hi Matthew, On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:17, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Thank you.  I did: > > sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio vlc-plugin-pulse > sudo apt-get install vlc libvlc2 libvlccore0 > rm ~/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc > > then killed X (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace), logged back in, then ran: > > asoundconf set-default-card Intel > This last part was prompted by some part of update-manager/Adept. Why? This should not be necessary, and it is probably the source of the problem you experience. Just remove .asoundconf from your home folder and do *not* run that, Phonon can handle this alone. Of course you will need to restart KDE. Do not kill the X server, that is bad practice and should only be done when no other possibility exists, log out of KDE, as simple as that. Killing the X server means that the running applications don't have time to shut down correctly, and any application settings can't be saved. If you really want to kill the X server, do it by Alt+SysRq+K so that the applications can shut down correctly. > Probably, what really fixed it was removing pulseaudio and phonondevicesrc Not "probably", that for sure fixed it :) Pulseaudio is not meant to run with KDE at all, it is not necessary, there are enough tools available and Alsa + Phonon can handle sound perfectly well, no need to reinvent the wheel and implement it in such a bad manner. If only the pulseaudio configuration would have been done with KDE in mind, but by default it is set up for Gnome and Gnome applications, totally ignoring KDE specific settings, and it breaks the sound. Let's hope that, if the Ubuntu people force Pulseaudio down our KDE throats in Karmic, there will at least be a correct setup and no need to tweak settings for half an hour... Sorry for that rant, but since the release of Jaunty we suffer in KDE support and in Amarok from problems related to pulseaudio, it's sickening :( Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 11:43:54 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:43:54 +0200 Subject: [Gimp-user] Installing 2.6.7 in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200908310209.42537.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <20090830005629.E13A6180215F8@a.dev001.net> <200908300537.36559.jozef.legeny@insa-rennes.fr> <31258.1251616697@olecarme.homelinux.net> <200908310209.42537.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Brendan wrote: >> > From this article : >> > http://lazyubuntu.com/how-to-install-gimp-267-on-ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackal >> >ope.html I assume that the gegl and babl libraries are included in one of >> > the GetDeb packages. >> >> I cannot understand why Ubuntu is celebrated for its ease of use, >> considering how many people complain about similar issues and suggest so >> complicated solutions. > > You're right. We must all be wrong to celebrate it. Thank you for setting me > straight. :-) Ya and if you REALLY want to know why we celebrate having a FREE and a FREE system that is this easy to use go install a copy of Linux Gentoo or maybe I should say Slackware. (I am not putting these down but they are not made for newbies). While you are out there thinking about that, I suggest you go and see how much a copy of MS Vista, MS office, Photoshop, a good virus checker and whatever else you need is compared to what you are complaining about. Then while you are itstalling that software, I suggest you get a stop watch and time yourself. Then count how many times you rebooted. Next install the same stuff with Kubuntu and all the same benchmarks. Don't forget the time it takes your to read and understand both systems legal documents. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From guethling at googlemail.com Mon Aug 31 12:45:55 2009 From: guethling at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sascha_G=FCthling?=) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:45:55 -0400 Subject: List of user installed apps In-Reply-To: <15edeae40908281418j7edbdf0dtf6a97631e000e045@mail.gmail.com> References: <571392.41811.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A97F799.60108@prayingforisrael.net> <15edeae40908281418j7edbdf0dtf6a97631e000e045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8abf83c20908310545w48827cccvec3d712d6d6c2738@mail.gmail.com> > Nigel, i asked a similar question a while ago, let me quote from the > ancient thread: > > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> i cleaned my system from almost all the packages i don't want, digging >> through the installed packages for more unnecessary ones, which i guess >> is a good enough punishment for my lack of organization, random apt-get >> sprees, and installing loads of packages at once without bothering to >> read through them, just because some website suggested so :-P > > Willy, > > I don't think there is anything to worry about. Even if you don't use > aptitude, you should be able to achieve what you want. For some reason, > I only use apt-get and not aptitude ('cos I am familiar with it), and I > like to achieve exactly what you are looking for. > > Declaratively, what you want is: > You want to move from version A to version B (could be, that for a fresh > re-install, A = B). > > You want to: > ----------- > > - Start with a clean install of version B > - NOT remove any packages that are part of the default install of > version B (safety) > > - Know what additional packages you installed in version A - List1 > > - Derive the "top-level" packages that you asked for and not list all > the new packages include those installed as dependencies - List2 > > - Use either List1 or List2 to quickly get Version B as close as > possible to the current state of Version A > > Declaratively this becomes: > -------------------------- > > Amongst the packages currently installed, select those that are not part > of the default install - List 1 > > Amongst List 1, select those that are "orphans" (top-level packages) - List2 > > To do this, all you need are the standard tools (dpkg, grep cut etc) and > deborphan. From the man page: "deborphan finds  packages that have no > packages depending on them. The default operation is to search only > within the libs  and  oldlibs  sections to hunt down unused libraries". > If it's not installed you should install deborphan. > > On the clean install (even if it is a new distro), run > dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d '    '> default-list > > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) > > You can do this e.g. by booting the LiveCD of your current (or new) > distro. If you use the live-cd, copy default-list to some place on your > currently installed version and reboot into your current version. > > In the current version run > dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d '    '> current-list > > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) > > In the current version run > deborphan --no-show-section -a > current-top-level > > cat current-list | grep -vFx -f default-list > new-packages > This (new-packages) is List1 > > cat new-packages| grep -Fx -f current-top-level > packages-to-install > This (packages-to-install) is List2 > > If you want to just install Version B and get it as close to your > current state of version A as possible, I would recommend you do the > default install, and then install everything in List1 (can also use > List2 if you want). > > If you want to peruse the list of top-level packages you have asked for > and installed, that is List2 - you MUST have asked for all these, since > they are top-level packages. Note that there MAY be other packages that > you had asked for and installed that are not in List2 but are in List1, > but do not appear in List2 because they are no longer top-level > "orphans" because since then you installed another package that depends > on these. > > Hope this helps. > > Sundar Nagarajan > > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Willy, I followed your guide and ended up with the lists. Now if I understand right I would have to install all the packages in List2 (packages-to-install) in addition to the base install and would have all the programs I installed on the old system including all there current dependencies. Right? But I am missing packages I know I installed myself on the system in the packages-to-install list. And some of these packages seem to be top-level orphans as well. For example gimp. If I do a aptitude -s remove gimp it tells me it will only remove the package gimp, meaning no other package depends on gimp, making it a top-level orphan in my opinion. Shouldn't gimp be in the packages-to-install list then? Is it a lack of understanding the how-to or is something not working the way it should? I would greatly appreciate if we could find a way to make that work correctly since I wanted a solution like that for a long time. Cheers, Sascha From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Aug 31 13:32:46 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:32:46 -0500 Subject: [Gimp-user] Installing 2.6.7 in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200908310209.42537.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <20090830005629.E13A6180215F8@a.dev001.net> <200908300537.36559.jozef.legeny@insa-rennes.fr> <31258.1251616697@olecarme.homelinux.net> <200908310209.42537.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <4A9BD0FE.6010800@swbell.net> Brendan wrote: >>> From this article : >>> http://lazyubuntu.com/how-to-install-gimp-267-on-ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackal >>> ope.html I assume that the gegl and babl libraries are included in one of >>> the GetDeb packages. >>> >> I cannot understand why Ubuntu is celebrated for its ease of use, >> considering how many people complain about similar issues and suggest so >> complicated solutions. >> > > You're right. We must all be wrong to celebrate it. Thank you for setting me > straight. > > I can't speak for all, and wouldn't presume to do so. I have very simple computer needs as an average home user. [ E-mail, web surfing, etc. ] I don't need a lot of higher end bells and whistles. I find (K)Ubuntu to be _very_ well suited to my needs and _very_ easy to use. What few problems I've had are generally of my own making. All part of the learning curve. I suggest that people that think it's difficult should pay more attention to what the issues are about, and who is having the issues. The only thing on my "Wish List" is that there was a package somewhere that had good mapping like Microsoft Streets and Trips. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away From gkourtev at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 13:42:39 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:42:39 +0300 Subject: Quick Time for Firefox Message-ID: <200908311642.39753.gkourtev@gmail.com> Dear all, I was trying to watch video on site that requires Quick Time (it's on the site of Apple). No option to get it for kubuntu though. How can I solve this? Thanks. gk From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 13:51:20 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:51:20 +0200 Subject: Quick Time for Firefox In-Reply-To: <200908311642.39753.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <200908311642.39753.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908311551.20366.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday 31 August 2009 15:42:39 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > I was trying to watch video on site that requires Quick time I think it's a codec thing. Make sure you install: kubuntu-restricted-extras After that, I find mplayer works well, but VLC should also work. Try install: mozilla-mplayer If you can't play it in the browser, get the URL to the video and try to download it with kget. Or paste it into VLC player (play a stream). hth, \d -- home: http://otherwise.relics.co.za/ 2D vector animation : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/things/ Font manager : https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fontypython/ From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 14:44:26 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:44:26 +0200 Subject: [Gimp-user] Installing 2.6.7 in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A9BD0FE.6010800@swbell.net> References: <20090830005629.E13A6180215F8@a.dev001.net> <200908300537.36559.jozef.legeny@insa-rennes.fr> <31258.1251616697@olecarme.homelinux.net> <200908310209.42537.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <4A9BD0FE.6010800@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Brendan wrote: >>>> From this article : >>>> http://lazyubuntu.com/how-to-install-gimp-267-on-ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackal >>>> ope.html I assume that the gegl and babl libraries are included in one of >>>> the GetDeb packages. >>>> >>> I cannot understand why Ubuntu is celebrated for its ease of use, >>> considering how many people complain about similar issues and suggest so >>> complicated solutions. >>> >> >> You're right. We must all be wrong to celebrate it. Thank you for setting me >> straight. >> >> > > I can't speak for all, and wouldn't presume to do so. I have very simple > computer needs as an average home user. [ E-mail, web surfing, etc. ] I > don't need a lot of higher end bells and whistles. I find (K)Ubuntu to > be _very_ well suited to my needs and _very_ easy to use. What few > problems I've had are generally of my own making. All part of the > learning curve. > > I suggest that people that think it's difficult should pay more > attention to what the issues are about, and who is having the issues. > > The only thing on my "Wish List" is that there was a package somewhere > that had good mapping like Microsoft Streets and Trips. Google Earth? -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Aug 31 15:06:50 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:06:50 -0400 Subject: Upgraded from Hardy to Jaunty, now only sound in KDE 4 apps In-Reply-To: References: <4A99A1D1.8010202@gatech.edu> <4A99B556.4050900@gatech.edu> <4A9A39FD.6030703@gatech.edu> <4A9B872A.7050501@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <4A9BE70A.9080204@gatech.edu> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> asoundconf set-default-card Intel This last part was prompted by >> some part of update-manager/Adept. > > Why? This should not be necessary, and it is probably the source of > the problem you experience. As I said, I did that because it seemed to be recommended. > Just remove .asoundconf from your home folder and do *not* run that, > Phonon can handle this alone. Of course you will need to restart > KDE. Done. The Phonon/ALSA combo seems to be working now, as I can hear simultaneous sound in multiple programs. > If you really want to kill the X server, do it by Alt+SysRq+K so that > the applications can shut down correctly. Thanks, I didn't know that shortcut. >> Probably, what really fixed it was removing pulseaudio and >> phonondevicesrc > > Not "probably", that for sure fixed it :) :) > Let's hope that, if the Ubuntu people force Pulseaudio down our KDE > throats in Karmic, there will at least be a correct setup and no > need to tweak settings for half an hour... Indeed. Thanks again very much, Matt Flaschen From mailinglist at endosquid.com Mon Aug 31 17:32:46 2009 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:32:46 -0400 Subject: [Gimp-user] Installing 2.6.7 in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <20090830005629.E13A6180215F8@a.dev001.net> <200908310209.42537.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200908311332.46911.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Monday 31 August 2009, Knapp wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Brendan wrote: > >> > From this article : > >> > http://lazyubuntu.com/how-to-install-gimp-267-on-ubuntu-904-jaunty-jac > >> >kal ope.html I assume that the gegl and babl libraries are included in > >> > one of the GetDeb packages. > >> > >> I cannot understand why Ubuntu is celebrated for its ease of use, > >> considering how many people complain about similar issues and suggest so > >> complicated solutions. > > > > You're right. We must all be wrong to celebrate it. Thank you for setting > > me straight. > > > :-) > > Ya and if you REALLY want to know why we celebrate having a FREE and a > FREE system that is this easy to use go install a copy of Linux Gentoo > or maybe I should say Slackware. (I am not putting these down but they > are not made for newbies). > > While you are out there thinking about that, I suggest you go and see > how much a copy of MS Vista, MS office, Photoshop, a good virus > checker and whatever else you need is compared to what you are > complaining about. Then while you are itstalling that software, I > suggest you get a stop watch and time yourself. Then count how many > times you rebooted. Next install the same stuff with Kubuntu and all > the same benchmarks. Don't forget the time it takes your to read and > understand both systems legal documents. > Hmmmmm, perhaps a lesson in sarcasm is in order? I think they offer SSL classes nowadays. From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Aug 31 19:11:06 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:11:06 -0700 Subject: KNetworkManager crash Message-ID: <200908311211.14311.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> For the past four days I have been getting this crash of KNetworkManager upon boot up. This never happened before. Anyone know why this is happening? Running Kubuntu 8.04. However, the Dell Inspiron 1525n does connect to the wireless anyway but there is no panel icon displayed anymore like there used to be. (no debugging symbols found) [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0xb68a66c0 (LWP 7888)] (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) [KCrash handler] #6 0xb66e1ed9 in Encryption::getSecrets () from /usr/lib/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so #7 0xb66cf69b in WirelessDialog::comboEncryption_activated () from /usr/lib/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so #8 0xb66cfb7a in AcquirePasswordDialog::configureCryptoWidget () from /usr/lib/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so #9 0xb66d0073 in AcquirePasswordDialog::AcquirePasswordDialog () from /usr/lib/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so #10 0xb66d4c43 in PassphraseRequest::acquireKeyFromDialog () from /usr/lib/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so #11 0xb66d4e8c in PassphraseRequest::request () from /usr/lib/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so #12 0xb66d5081 in NetworkManagerInfo::acquirePassphrase () from /usr/lib/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so #13 0xb66d6208 in NetworkManagerInfoDBus::getKeyForNetwork () from /usr/lib/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so #14 0xb66c3bf5 in DBusConnection::networkManagerInfoMessageHandler () from /usr/lib/libkdeinit_knetworkmanager.so #15 0xb663f71b in ?? 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URL: From errol at tzora.co.il Thu Aug 27 04:24:37 2009 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:24:37 -0000 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <200908261059.33465.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908260925.07081.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A94EF1F.6010303@tzora.co.il> <200908261059.33465.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <4A960AEA.6070009@tzora.co.il> Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 10:15:27 Errol Sapir wrote: > > I have moved your reply to the correct position: below my reply to > your original question. Please do not top-post. It breaks the thread > and makes it very hard for eventual others to follow solutions. > No offense intended, just list etiquette... > > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 07:14:03 Errol Sapir wrote: > > >>>> I have 2 computers using Kubuntu 9.04. My problem is with the >>>> adobe flash on one computer. On the computer with KDE 4.2.2 >>>> flash works without a problem. This is a 32 bit installation. >>>> The computer with KDE 4.3 refuses to "activate" flash. This is >>>> a 64 bit installation Both computers were updated to use >>>> Firefox 3.5. What happens (on the KDE 4.3 computer) is that I >>>> install flashplayer 10, am informed that the flash was >>>> installed correctly. When I reopen Firefox I still see the >>>> "missing plugin" message that requests me to install Adobe >>>> flash. I don't know if this is connected to the KDE 4.3 >>>> upgrade or to the fact that one computer is 64 bit and the >>>> other 32 bit. On both computers I upgraded to Firefox 3.5 at >>>> the same time, after I had updated to KDE 4.3 on the one >>>> computer. I have tried many ways to install Flashplayer 10, >>>> including various script written here: >>>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-64 >>>> bit .html On both computers when using Firefox 3.1 I didn't >>>> have a flash problem. There are two major differences between >>>> the two computers which confound the problem for me. >>>> 1. The problem computer is 64 bit >>>> 2. The problem computer uses KDE 4.3 >>>> What can I do to try and solve this problem? >>>> > Errol > > Kaj Haulrich answered: > >>> I would try the following: >>> Open dolphin and switch the 'split' option on. >>> In the left pane, navigate to /etc/alternatives. >>> In the right pane, navigate to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins >>> Now, drag the file 'firefox-flashplugin' from the left pane to >>> the right and select the option 'link here'. It should show up >>> as 'flashplugin-alternative.so'. >>> >>> (It doesn't harm to do likewise with other >>> 'plugins'-directories as well, like /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) >>> >>> Restart firefox and enjoy - hopefully... >>> >>> (BTW: if you have Google Chrome installed, you'll need to >>> manually create the 'plugins' directory in the chrome directory >>> and proceed as described. Then, in the menu-editor add >>> '--enable-plugins' to the command line). >>> > > Errol replied: > >> Kaj >> Thanks for the quick reply. I will try it when I get home and >> report. By the way I just learned another useful function from >> you. I never knew about the split option in dolphin. :-[ >> Thanks for that as well. >> Errol >> > > Your're welcome. Of course you don't have to use dolphin to do > that. A much easier way is - as always - to use the command line: > > "sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so" - all on one > line and without the quotes,of course. > > HTH > > Kaj Haulrich. > Hi Haj I did what you suggested to no avail. Thea file was linked as commanded but the "missing plug" notification came up again. I think I am going to uninstall firefox completely and re-install from scratch. SOMETHING basic is wrong and I can't figure out what. 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URL: From johndecarlo at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 18:26:32 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:26:32 -0000 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <200908281547.34895.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908271001.48050.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A97CC07.9040702@tzora.co.il> <200908281547.34895.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0908281126l3c936a18i84a43fde22bb73ce@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Well, I guess it means that Adobe doesn't supply a 64-bit version? > In that case, try to uninstall Firefox (64-bit) and install the 32- > bit version. As far as I know it should run well under a 64-bit > version, at least with an AMD processor. Then proceed again as > described and install from Adobe. > I haven't commented, because I don't have any specific details to help with. However, Adobe does make a 64-bit flash plugin for Linux. It is just a beta, but it works for Hulu, among many other sites. Here is the website, where they call the latest patched version an alpha: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html I have had problems off and on when some Kubuntu repository installs the flash plugin and I have to go uninstall it, then make sure everything is using the beta 64-bit plugin again. I think if I just uninstalled any Kubuntu/Ubuntu mentions of anything related to Firefox, I would be better off. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Sat Aug 29 12:46:08 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:46:08 -0000 Subject: Flash on Firefox 3.5 In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0908281126l3c936a18i84a43fde22bb73ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A94C49B.7090209@tzora.co.il> <200908271001.48050.kaj@haulrich.net> <4A97CC07.9040702@tzora.co.il> <200908281547.34895.kaj@haulrich.net> <3dde113c0908281126l3c936a18i84a43fde22bb73ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Aug 28, John DeCarlo did say: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Well, I guess it means that Adobe doesn't supply a 64-bit version? > In that case, try to uninstall Firefox (64-bit) and install the 32- > bit version. As far as I know it should run well under a 64-bit > version, at least with an AMD processor. Then proceed again as > described and install from Adobe. > > > I haven't commented, because I don't have any specific details to help with. > > However, Adobe does make a 64-bit flash plugin for Linux.  It is just a beta, but it works > for Hulu, among many other sites. > > Here is the website, where they call the latest patched version an alpha: > > http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html > > I have had problems off and on when some Kubuntu repository installs the flash plugin and I > have to go uninstall it, then make sure everything is using the beta 64-bit plugin again. > > I think if I just uninstalled any Kubuntu/Ubuntu mentions of anything related to Firefox, I > would be better off. Hello, I've got a similar problem... Only I don't really care which browser I have to use to make the flash plugin work... The 64 bit kde version of Jaunty is installed on this Gateway laptop (MT6451 Notebook PC) It has AMD Turion 64x2 processor and a 120 gig HD I can watch DVD's, But I can't watch/hear streaming video/audio???? For example when I go to: http://www.937mikefm.com I can't play the live music stream. With either opera or firefox the player window never finishes replacing the blank white area's with player parts. If I go there with konqueror it tells me I need to get adobe flash... But I activated Medibuntu and installed just about everything I could find that sounded even remotely like it might help... including kubuntu-restricted-extras which included the adobe flash (plugin & non-free) packages. Anyway I followed your link to the 64bit plugin (since the stuff the restricted-extras gave me ain't working for me...) And got the tar.gz But since: => UnderTree =-> tar -tzf libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz => libflashplayer.so => UnderTree =-> It doesn't look like the tar.gz knows where to put the libflashplayer.so file. And I'm sure I don't know where. (As I mentioned above, I really don't care which browser it works in as long as it works in at least one. But I'd like to make it work in as many of my browsers as possible so, I guess what I'm asking is after I do the: # apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin flashplugin-installer --purge 1) Where do I put the libflashplayer.so file??? 2) What symlinks do I need to make to get firefox to use it?? 3) Are there any simlinks I can make to get opera to use it?? 4) Are there any simlinks I can make to get konqueror to use it?? 5) Do I need to do anything from within any of the above browsers to get them to use it? Like for example, in firefox Do I have to manually edit anything in "edit->Preferences->applications"??? By the way, I don't know if it matters... But I'm dealing with pulseaudio... So, for example, before the adobe flashplayer actually delivered sound in my Sabayon4.2 installation I had to emerge libflashsupport to add: "pulseaudio/esd/oss audio output and HTTPS/RTMPS support to Adobe Flash 9..." -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From ggcarrasco at hotmail.com Sat Aug 29 20:48:20 2009 From: ggcarrasco at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Carrasco?=) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:48:20 -0000 Subject: how to un install a driver Message-ID: hi all, Sorry for the spam. I am new using kubuntu and linux os technology. my question is how to un install a driver (network card driver). is a "driver" sinonym of "module" in linux? Please guide me if this is not the correct mail recipient. Thanks for your help. Regards, German _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Aug 30 14:17:51 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:17:51 -0000 Subject: Want KDE 3.5 look and feel In-Reply-To: <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <200908300324.47115.phantom21@mindspring.com> <9F44B91513DC4CCA95213971B688B03A@pc> <200908300444.23615.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200908301017.42033.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 30 August 2009, Mark Halegua wrote: > If people like the way KDE 4.3 works, that's fine. But, don't remove the > choice of working the way 3.5 did. Then take the 3.5 source code and maintain it for yourself. The point I am making is that the KDE group has moved on and there is no one to support the old code. For good or bad, that's the way it is. But you still have a lot of choices. I have switched to XFCE but still use all of the KDE4.x programs like kmail, etc. It looks and works like 3.5 with just a few minor changes. There are lots of other choices.... other window managers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: