[OT] Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die

[Clay Weber]

On Monday 03 November 2008 11:31:37 am Art Alexion wrote:
> On Sunday 02 November 2008 08:54:18 am Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> > I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say
> > they are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?
>
> I think Kubuntu developers monitor this list. 
 Some do, but not often (especially with the propensity for long rambling 
threads such as this one)

> As someone said Dolphin KDE
> 3 is a Kubuntu decision, not an upstream KDE one.
> 

Dolphin in KDE4 is KDE's default now

> Also, forcing the
> work-in-progress KDE 4 on Kubuntu 8.10 is a Kubuntu decision, not KDE.

And during Hardy's lifespan, there will be two development cycles with which 
to work on KDE4. This goes back to the number of developers.

>
> I have decided to opt for continuing KDE 3 until KDE 4 is ready.  I am
> experimenting with Debian Lenny, as it will support KDE 3 for 3 years after
> Etch is released, about 4 more years projected. 

Are Debian the only ones maintaining KDE3 for any length of time?

> Once I get comfortable, my
> Kubuntu box will become my experimental one, and Lenny for production.
>
> I don't understand why the Debian developers can continue to support KDE 3,
> but the Kubuntu developers cannot. 

Debian devs= lots and lots of people
Kubuntu devs= more or less 3-5 people who do a majority of the work (as well 
as 2 of them who are massively active on KDE specific bugs in Launchpad)

> This is the reason why Ubuntu 8.04 is
> LTS, but Kubuntu 8.04 is not.  I understand that the Kubuntu team has
> blamed it on loss of upstream KDE support, but for some reason, Debian does
> not have a problem with this.

part of the decision was the *uncertainty* of future support from KDE as well 
as the work involved for the number of devs kubuntu have. The decision on LTS 
status was made by canonical alone, and not at all by the Kubuntu  team. 

>
> The impression I get is that the Kubuntu team is targeting hobbyists and
> home users and not business users.  Too bad.  If that is true, Kubuntu will
> never be taken seriously.  I assume that is why OEMs, like Dell, are
> installing Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu.

Sorry to say, but Ubuntu (and not my favorite distro) is *the* major linux 
distro today.  That is one of the major reasons that Dell chose it. Why does 
Kubuntu need to be as big as Ubuntu for it to be taken seriously? 

I do think the Kubuntu team maybe needs to actually define what they are or 
want to be a bit better. My impression is that Kubuntu is a KDE showcase of 
sorts, nothing about home or business focus

> > Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid
> > into the opposite.
>
> True, but it may get you help from someone who can, but is too offended to
> offer.

-- 
Clay Weber