From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 00:30:18 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:30:18 +0200
Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880dece00810311730y219371adkd21b292354b8b778@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/31 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
>
> Does anyone know of an Application in Kubuntu that is able to pre-read emails(Number)  with different
> ISP's instead of connecting to them singularly, like pop peeper in xp pro

I am not familiar with pop peeper but in kmail you can download only
the headers and leave the messages on the server. I suspect that this
is what poop peeper is doing behind the scenes.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 00:33:00 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:33:00 +0200
Subject: Wireless works with Ubuntu 8.10, but not with Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810311254s985b404pdaea902bfd8c579e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490B596D.8080507@skoozdag.com>
	<15edeae40810311254s985b404pdaea902bfd8c579e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00810311733ke09c68am1ccd76ef2255eb16@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/31 Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> this will install KDE4 alongside GNOME, effectively giving you
> kubuntu, but on the same setup that is successfully configuring
> wireless. and then at the login screen, you can choose if you want to
> log into GNOME or KDE.
> hope this helps
>

You can even set KDE as the default desktop, so that you will not have
to select it each time. Until Effy, I was only using Ubuntu with KDE
added on, not Kubuntu, because of 'little things' like this.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar  Sat Nov  1 01:04:05 2008
From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:04:05 -0200
Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810311730y219371adkd21b292354b8b778@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00810311730y219371adkd21b292354b8b778@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810312304.05799.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar>

I googled it and it and found a description:

"POP Peeper is an email notifier that runs in your Windows task bar and alerts 
you when you have new email on your POP3, IMAP (with IDLE support), 
Hotmail\MSN\LiveMail, Yahoo, GMail, Mail.com, MyWay, Excite, iWon, Lycos.com, 
RediffMail, Juno and NetZero accounts. IMAP supports allows you to access AOL, 
AIM, Netscape and other services. Send mail directly from POP Peeper and use the 
address book to email your frequently used contacts. POP Peeper allows you to 
view messages using HTML or you can choose to safely view all messages in rich 
or plain text."[...] (http://www.poppeeper.com/)

I know there are some mail notifiers, I've used one myself some years ago... You 
could try an independent mail notifier or use Kmail's option to keep an icon in 
the system tray (you'll find that tab in kmail's look settings).

Pablo L.

El Friday 31 October 2008 22:30:18 Dotan Cohen escribió:
> 2008/10/31 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
> > Does anyone know of an Application in Kubuntu that is able to pre-read
> > emails(Number)  with different ISP's instead of connecting to them
> > singularly, like pop peeper in xp pro
>
> I am not familiar with pop peeper but in kmail you can download only
> the headers and leave the messages on the server. I suspect that this
> is what poop peeper is doing behind the scenes.
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>
> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü





From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 02:53:50 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:53:50 +1000
Subject: Upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?
Message-ID: <200811011253.50378.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:22:19 am Girard Henri wrote:
> i did successfully with 64 bits intrepid :
>
> in a shell :
>
> update-manager -d

Is there a cmd line client that does this? I'd rather not leave a gui client 
running for a couple of hours

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 





From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 03:07:43 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:07:43 +1000
Subject: Upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?
In-Reply-To: <200811011253.50378.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811011253.50378.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811011307.43618.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:53:50 pm Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:22:19 am Girard Henri wrote:
> > i did successfully with 64 bits intrepid :
> >
> > in a shell :
> >
> > update-manager -d
>
> Is there a cmd line client that does this? I'd rather not leave a gui
> client running for a couple of hours

Figured it out:

  sudo do-release-upgrade


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From grey at dmiyu.org  Sat Nov  1 04:43:53 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:43:53 -0700
Subject: 8.04 -> 8.10 VM update
Message-ID: <490BDE89.1030907@dmiyu.org>

    Just upgraded one of my VM installs from 8.04 to 8.10.  I took an
unorthodox method.  I had installed 8.10 beta a few weeks ago for
testing inside VirtualBox and have been updating it ever since.  Didn't
actually use it, just poked at it to see if it would work.  Tonight I
ran an upgrade to get everything to 8.10 release vesions.  I mounted by
WinXP's C drive in the same manner as my 8.04 box.  On the 8.04 box I
copied my home dir over to the C: drive of the real machine.  Chopped
out obvious things I didn't want to keep (.kde, .kde4 the prime
suspects) then copes that into the home directory of my 8.10 box.

    So far the only problem I've encountered was my .ssh directory
having incorrect permissions and my X credentials didn't match so I had
to restart X.  I should've archived the directory before transferring so
as to retain permission bits.

    So far it's running fine.  Needed to get Firefox loaded up but
that's about it.  Also need to get Lancelot back on; the default K menu
is driving me batty.  :(



From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  1 05:38:57 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:38:57 +1100
Subject: re kopete
In-Reply-To: <490B7EBB.6000207@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <BLU143-W21AB536782047FBAA0C3DACD200@phx.gbl>
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Wulfmann,
 
Will further investigate kmail???
 
ray
PS but not sure how to operate it
 
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:55:07 +0000> From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: re kopete> > Ray Burke wrote:> > Willy,> >> > I have Kubuntu 8.0.4 and are a newie as I am from the windows school of xp pro and now dual boot with Kubuntu,> > I expected that kopete to monitor all my emails that come in over yahoo,hotmail and alphalink where I have emails> > logged to these ISP's????????> Kopete is an Instant Messenger program, not an e-mail program...> > Description: instant messenger for KDE> > Kopete is an instant messenger program which can communicate with a > > variety> > of IM systems, such as Yahoo, ICQ, MSN, IRC and Jabber.> > .> > Kopete includes the "Now Listening" plug-in that can report what > > music you> > are currently listening to, in a number of different players, including> > noatun, kscd, juk, kaffeine and amarok.> > .> > Support for more IM protocols can be added through a plugin system.> > .> > This package is part of KDE, as a component of the KDE network module.> > See the 'kde' and 'kdenetwork' packages for more information.> > .> > Homepage: http://kopete.kde.org> For e-mail use either Kmail or Thunderbird> > > Description: KDE Email client> > KMail is a fully-featured email client that fits nicely into the KDE> > desktop. It has features such as support for IMAP, POP3, multiple > > accounts,> > mail filtering and sorting, PGP/GnuPG privacy, and inline attachments.> > .> > You need to install kdepim-kio-plugins if you want to use IMAP or> > mbox files, and/or kdebase-kio-plugins if you want to use POP3.> > .> > This package is part of KDE, and a component of the KDE PIM module.> > See the 'kde' and 'kdepim' packages for more information.> > .> > Homepage: http://kmail.kde.org/> > > Description: mail/news client with RSS and integrated spam filter support> > Thunderbird is a lightweight mail/news/RSS client, based on the > > Mozilla suite.> > It supports different mail accounts (POP, IMAP, Gmail), has an integrated> > learning Spam filter, and offers easy organization of mails with > > tagging and> > virtual folders. Also, more features can be added by installing > > extensions.> I hope this helps... :@)> > -- > Blessings> > Wulfmann> > Wulf Credo:> Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.> Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.> Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.> Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz> > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 07:13:03 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:13:03 +0200
Subject: re kopete
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W2AA531E2CF06965E9682BCD230@phx.gbl>
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Hello Ray,

Here is a KMail tutorial (quite old unfortunately):
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/5707/1/

I believe the most difficult for new users would be setting up the new mail
client with her/his mail account. Write to us when you bump into walls.
And don't worry about not having enough knowledge about the new system. Most
new users never reach the mailing list to ask for help, so you are already
on the right track and better than most do.

If you find that a particular feature is missing from the program, please
try and see if any of these extensions to Kmail does fit your needs:
http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/tools.php

You say "I am from the windows school of xp pro". Care to elaborate? I am
interested to see where new Kubuntu users come from. I am also interested if
you could provide some personal data like age, location, level of education,
what do you do for living. You are not required to give any details, but
this would help us spread the word about Kubuntu.


Thanks,
Bogdan




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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 07:31:24 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:31:24 +0100
Subject: Kaffeine Problem - Fix didn't work
In-Reply-To: <200810312350.52417.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
References: <200810311142.18191.michael@weblore.com>
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Nigel Henry
<cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr> wrote:
> On Friday 31 October 2008 22:50, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
>> On Friday 31 October 2008 15:28:47 Knapp wrote:
>> > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Nigel Henry
>> >
>> > <cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr> wrote:
>> > > On Friday 31 October 2008 17:42, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
>> > >> I'm trying to play a DVD and getting an encryption error message. The
>> > >> message says that I need to run 'sudo
>> > >> /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh" - which I have done. Even
>> > >> after running this, I still get the encryption error.
>> > >>
>> > >> Can anyone suggest a fix?
>> > >
>> > > This problem with Kaffeine was discussed a while back, and I did get
>> > > Kaffeine working on my Hardy heron install. You need to make sure that
>> > > you have the libdvdcss2 package installed, so that encrypted DVD's can
>> > > be decrypted. Even after installing the package you may still get the
>> > > above message, which is misleading as to the actual problem. You can
>> > > get libdvdcss2 from the medibuntu repo, details below if you dont have
>> > > it in /etc/apt/sources.list.
>> > >
>> > > Go to http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu , and add the repos
>> > > for your as directed for your Kubuntu version.
>> > >
>> > > Then do an apt-get install medibuntu-keyring , which will install the
>> > > GPG key for the repo.
>> > >
>> > > I got my Kaffeine playing DVD's, after installing libdvdcss2, by
>> > > renaming the ~/.xine file, and restarting Kaffeine, which then created
>> > > a new .xine file. Saying that though, I may have had to do that a
>> > > couple of times, as I see I have 2 backups for .xine, and possibly
>> > > rebooted as well. I remember having to go through the hoops a bit, to
>> > > get Kaffeine working with DVD's.
>> > >
>> > > Something else I remember from the earlier kaffeine thread, was to do
>> > > with Kaffeine not finding the optical drive, which is why the error
>> > > message displayed. My Kaffeine >Settings > xine Engine Parameters
>> > > >media, shows the dvd device as /dev/dvd. Have a look in /dev, and see
>> > > which block device /dev/dvd is pointing to. Mine in Hardy Heron is
>> > > pointing to scd0, which is correct.
>> > >
>> > > That will do for now. Post back please.
>> > >
>> > > Which Kubuntu version have you installed, and was this an upgrade, or a
>> > > fresh install?
>> > >
>> > > All the best.
>> > >
>> > > Nigel.
>> >
>> > All what has been said was true but it was only a patch. The end
>> > solution was this and it is very easy to do, IF this is your problem.
>> > If not it is easy to undo this fix too and get back to us. The rest is
>> > a repost:
>> >
>> > The best thing to do is leave all those packages the way they were at
>> > first and just remove
>> > (rename it to something else with the word backup is better) the file
>> > called
>> > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
>> > Then reboot your computer.
>> > All should now be working. It also will prevent any future problems
>> > and will make ALL the software work.
>>
>> I saw both of your posts at once, so I hadn't made the first change. I did
>> rename the file as you suggested and rebooted. I *DO* have libdvdcss2
>> installed (I just check Adept to be sure). After the reboot, I tried to
>> play the DVD again, and again got the message "This DVD is encrypted, ,,,"
>> again.
>
> I only got into Kaffeine, and playing DVD's, from folks not being able to play
> DVD's on Kaffeine on a previous thread. I got Kaffeine playing DVD's, but
> normally use VLC for playing DVD's. I did see some folks that were trying to
> get Kaffeine to play DVD's, and even with all the suggestions, failed to
> resolve the problem.
>
> I'm not knocking Kaffeine, but if all you want is to play your DVD's, just
> install VLC. I know this works ok, and you already have libdvdcss installed
> (which is required).
>
> I got Kaffeine playing DVD's, others got it working using Knapp's suggestion,
> but I did see other folks on the earlier Kaffeine thread not resolving the
> problem. All a bit puzzling, but I suppose that is par for the course when
> working with computers.
>
> Nigel.
 OK then the next step is to start a CLI (a terminal window) and run
it from there by typing it's name. Report back what it prints out
there. It should give you some sort of error report when you try and
play a dvd.
The other thing to do is go into kaffeine and look at the settings for
xine engine and see where it is looking for your dvd and let us know.
Also look in your dev area and see where you DVD really is and let us
know about that.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From grey at dmiyu.org  Sat Nov  1 08:24:27 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:24:27 -0700
Subject: 8.04 -> 8.10 VM update
In-Reply-To: <490BDE89.1030907@dmiyu.org>
References: <490BDE89.1030907@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <490C123B.8000405@dmiyu.org>

Steve Lamb wrote:
>     So far it's running fine.  Needed to get Firefox loaded up but
> that's about it.  Also need to get Lancelot back on; the default K menu
> is driving me batty.  :(

    Looks like I spoke too soon.  Thunderbird refused to send a message nor
save it.  I blew away my profile, reconfigured it from scratch, it sent a
single message then refused again.  The error message is less than helpful.
It tells me there was an error but not what the error was.  I do know from
watch my exim logs that TBird is not reaching the remote server.  So it is
something in 8.10.  The really odd part is that 8.04 and 8.10 are on the same
upstream version as far as I can tell.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 10:52:49 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:52:49 +1000
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
Message-ID: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

Does anyone know where I can download adobe flash 9? I want to see if it 
improves my konqueror embedded flash experience, which is currently non-
functional :)
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From mailinglists at invisibleray.com  Sat Nov  1 11:42:15 2008
From: mailinglists at invisibleray.com (Laurent Humblet)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:42:15 +0100
Subject: Updates, packages and tracking the whole lot
Message-ID: <490C4097.8070201@invisibleray.com>

Hi,

I would like to know the following things about the packages/updates:

- when was a package released for update
- what exactly was fixed/updated in that package
- when was that package installed on my local machine
- who requested that update on my local machine

Thank you,
Laurent




From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar  Sat Nov  1 11:44:13 2008
From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:44:13 -0200
Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W62CADBCB9F01B0002ADD9CD230@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>
	<200810312304.05799.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar>
	<BLU143-W62CADBCB9F01B0002ADD9CD230@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200811010944.13640.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar>

If you are using Kubuntu (not Ubuntu), you already have it.
You can find it in the K menu, under Internet (or network, I'm using KDE in 
spanish so I don't know the real english texts), it should say something like 
"Mail client - Kmail".
You can also use it inside Knotact, Kontact is like a big frame to run all the 
programs related with your personal information: mails, address books, calendar, 
to-do lists, news reader. The mail program that runs inside Kontact is exactly 
the same Kmail you can run on it's own. You can find Kontact in the Office section 
of your K menu.

If for whatever reason you don't have it... I think the best way to get it is to 
just type in a terminal:

sudo apt-get install kmail

Regards,

Pablo L.

PS: when replying to messages from the list, try to reply to the list.

El Saturday 01 November 2008 03:14:09 Ray Burke escribió:
> Pablo,
>
> I have ben told about kmail but not sure how to run it and downloadit from
> adept??? would you no with instructions as I am a newbie to Kubuntu
>
> ray> From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu app for checking emails> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008
> 23:04:05 -0200> > I googled it and it and found a description:> > "POP
> Peeper is an email notifier that runs in your Windows task bar and alerts >
> you when you have new email on your POP3, IMAP (with IDLE support), >
> Hotmail\MSN\LiveMail, Yahoo, GMail, Mail.com, MyWay, Excite, iWon,
> Lycos.com, > RediffMail, Juno and NetZero accounts. IMAP supports allows
> you to access AOL, > AIM, Netscape and other services. Send mail directly
> from POP Peeper and use the > address book to email your frequently used
> contacts. POP Peeper allows you to > view messages using HTML or you can
> choose to safely view all messages in rich > or plain text."[...]
> (http://www.poppeeper.com/)> > I know there are some mail notifiers, I've
> used one myself some years ago... You > could try an independent mail
> notifier or use Kmail's option to keep an icon in > the system tray (you'll
> find that tab in kmail's look settings).> > Pablo L.> > El Friday 31
> October 2008 22:30:18 Dotan Cohen escribió:> > 2008/10/31 Ray Burke
> <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:> > > Does anyone know of an Application in
> Kubuntu that is able to pre-read> > > emails(Number) with different ISP's
> instead of connecting to them> > > singularly, like pop peeper in xp pro>
> >> > I am not familiar with pop peeper but in kmail you can download only>
> > the headers and leave the messages on the server. I suspect that this> >
> is what poop peeper is doing behind the scenes.> >> > --> > Dotan Cohen> >>
> > http://what-is-what.com> > http://gibberish.co.il> >
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת> >> > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü>
> > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 12:27:02 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:27:02 +0200
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811010527p288ec6c8jfb5e06bbbe02217@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/1 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
> Does anyone know where I can download adobe flash 9? I want to see if it
> improves my konqueror embedded flash experience, which is currently non-
> functional :)

Lindsay, Flash 9 has always been a pain to install, but Adobe now has
Flash 10 available as a .deb file and it installs easily. It works
great in Firefox, but I did not test in Konqueror.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 12:47:59 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:47:59 +1000
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811010527p288ec6c8jfb5e06bbbe02217@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811010527p288ec6c8jfb5e06bbbe02217@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811012247.59871.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:27:02 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/1 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
> > Does anyone know where I can download adobe flash 9? I want to see if it
> > improves my konqueror embedded flash experience, which is currently non-
> > functional :)
>
> Lindsay, Flash 9 has always been a pain to install, but Adobe now has
> Flash 10 available as a .deb file and it installs easily. It works
> great in Firefox, but I did not test in Konqueror.

Alas, it does not work with Konqueror. Flash 9 did.

thanks,

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 13:22:17 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:22:17 -0400
Subject: Updates, packages and tracking the whole lot
In-Reply-To: <490C4097.8070201@invisibleray.com>
References: <490C4097.8070201@invisibleray.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811010622q7fd9d076j4a06aa5f47a4d34c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Laurent Humblet
<mailinglists at invisibleray.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to know the following things about the packages/updates:
>
> - when was a package released for update
> - what exactly was fixed/updated in that package

These first two questions can usually be answered at the launchpad.net website.





-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 13:45:05 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:45:05 +0200
Subject: Updates, packages and tracking the whole lot
In-Reply-To: <490C4097.8070201@invisibleray.com>
References: <490C4097.8070201@invisibleray.com>
Message-ID: <a86b2f600811010645h4c7e566bw5b21ed4a7193506d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Try apt-history: http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-history/ for the third
question.
"apt-history logs the changes to /var/lib/dpkg/status when installing,
removing, and upgrading packages with apt-get. "

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Laurent Humblet <
mailinglists at invisibleray.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to know the following things about the packages/updates:
>
> - when was a package released for update
> - what exactly was fixed/updated in that package
> - when was that package installed on my local machine
> - who requested that update on my local machine
>
> Thank you,
> Laurent
>
>
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From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 14:02:59 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:02:59 +0100
Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches
References: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com>
	<f495db580810292354y32caf52aj380a355945878906@mail.gmail.com>
	<49096D1E.5050502@gmail.com> <1225421498.7223.3.camel@iam>
	<17028517.M7qWMELLtR@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<gefcrg$3i3$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580810311142qf3a4a1enf218a4cb3c997b31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gehnij$r04$2@ger.gmane.org>

Knapp wrote:

>> try set this in your environment
>>
>> export FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
>>
>> or FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" firefox
>>
>> to check if it works
>>
>> regards
> 
> What do you mean by environment? How or where do you set that?
> 
> 

Firefox checks the environment variable FIREFOX_DSP which can be set
to 'aoss', that would activate the alsa oss wrapper for applications that
want to access /dev/dsp

This way you can play flash and other sounds coming through firefox and use
other sound players like amarok, xmms or whatever synchronously, presumably
your alsa system is configured properly.

regards





From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk  Sat Nov  1 14:47:33 2008
From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:47:33 +0000
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <200811012247.59871.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811010527p288ec6c8jfb5e06bbbe02217@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811012247.59871.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811011447.33471.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>

On Saturday 01 November 2008 12:47:59 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:27:02 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/11/1 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
> > > Does anyone know where I can download adobe flash 9? I want to see if
> > > it improves my konqueror embedded flash experience, which is currently
> > > non- functional :)
> >
> > Lindsay, Flash 9 has always been a pain to install, but Adobe now has
> > Flash 10 available as a .deb file and it installs easily. It works
> > great in Firefox, but I did not test in Konqueror.
>
> Alas, it does not work with Konqueror. Flash 9 did.

Flash Player 10 seems to be working OK in Konqueror here.

-- 
Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org




From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sat Nov  1 14:55:49 2008
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:55:49 +0200
Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working
In-Reply-To: <ge6n8l$k0g$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<ge6n8l$k0g$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <490C6DF5.7090801@mail.ee>

> Before going there, you might open a terminal and see, what
> "sudo firefox" shows.

Nothing. Console is empty and Firefox won't start.

> In any case "reinstall whole system and hoping, that next
> time it will not happen." is not a viable option, imho.

Yes but I don't see other solutions.



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sat Nov  1 14:56:25 2008
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:56:25 +0200
Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working
In-Reply-To: <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490C6E19.5000006@mail.ee>

> Since you've tried everything else, try removing all firefox packages, with 
> purge selected (from synaptic it would be "completely remove including config 
> files").

Didn't help.



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 15:01:33 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:01:33 +0200
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <200811011447.33471.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811010527p288ec6c8jfb5e06bbbe02217@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811012247.59871.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811011447.33471.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>
Message-ID: <880dece00811010801j7af881b4mcd1c7f92b0f41e3a@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/1 Mark Fraser <kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>:
> Flash Player 10 seems to be working OK in Konqueror here.
>

Which version of KDE do you have? Which version of KDE does Lindsay have?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sat Nov  1 15:22:17 2008
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:22:17 +0200
Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working
In-Reply-To: <ge6n8l$k0g$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<ge6n8l$k0g$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <490C7429.4050108@mail.ee>

> Generally in Linux it is far more preferable to fix your problem before 
> going for the "windowisch problem solution strategy".


strace firefox gives me that:

access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome", 
F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog.png", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog.png", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog.png", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog.png", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome", 
F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog16.png", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog16.png", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog16.png", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog16.png", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome", 
F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog32.png", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog32.png", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog32.png", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog32.png", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome", 
F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog48.png", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog48.png", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog48.png", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog48.png", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome", 
F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog.xpm", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog.xpm", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog.xpm", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog.xpm", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome", F_OK) = 0
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome", 
F_OK) = 0
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog16.xpm", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.3/extensions/langpack-en-GB at xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.com/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog16.xpm", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/home/kasutaja/.mozilla/firefox/ef96f5wk.default/extensions/langpack-et at firefox.mozilla.org/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog16.xpm", 
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
access("/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome/icons/default/commonDialog16.xpm", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)

It seems like there are some image files missing. But in another Kubuntu 8.04.1 LTS computer Firefox 
is working and the same files are missing. Very strange...

I tried again to completely remove firefox and all its configuration files and also ~/.mozilla 
folder but it didn't help :(

Then after some time (which can be some minutes) Firefox will start and after working some minutes 
Firefox crashes and I have to kill the process.

Google doesn't know nothing about that problem :(   I'm really stuck...



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sat Nov  1 15:24:22 2008
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:24:22 +0200
Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working
In-Reply-To: <490C7429.4050108@mail.ee>
References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<ge6n8l$k0g$1@ger.gmane.org> <490C7429.4050108@mail.ee>
Message-ID: <490C74A6.1060102@mail.ee>

> I tried again to completely remove firefox and all its configuration 
> files and also ~/.mozilla folder but it didn't help :(

I also removed xulrunner completely and after also installed back - didn't help.



From barnaby at drofle.com  Sat Nov  1 16:28:22 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:28:22 +0000
Subject: Gutsy v Hardy
Message-ID: <490C83A6.4000401@drofle.com>

I have finally installed Hardy as a dual boot with Gutsy. Yes, I know 
that Intrepid is now available but it is still too new for me.

So far I have not found a lot of differences yet. Anyone like to point 
out advantages/disadvantage please, and any comments would be interesting.

I have installed Firefox 2 and Thunderbird so far. Having seen that 
there are still some issues with FF3 I have steered clear of it.

TIA

Neil Winchurst



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 17:57:01 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:57:01 +0100
Subject: Gutsy v Hardy
In-Reply-To: <490C83A6.4000401@drofle.com>
References: <490C83A6.4000401@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811011057t6e2a9fa2y4747159e97e774cc@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Neil Winchurst <barnaby at drofle.com> wrote:
> I have finally installed Hardy as a dual boot with Gutsy. Yes, I know
> that Intrepid is now available but it is still too new for me.
>
> So far I have not found a lot of differences yet. Anyone like to point
> out advantages/disadvantage please, and any comments would be interesting.

8.04 can print with my old printer but gutsy could not, the one before
that could. I have no idea why. It is a parallel port plugged into a
USB and that might be part of the problem. In any case it works now.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 17:59:14 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:59:14 +0100
Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches
In-Reply-To: <gehnij$r04$2@ger.gmane.org>
References: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com>
	<f495db580810292354y32caf52aj380a355945878906@mail.gmail.com>
	<49096D1E.5050502@gmail.com> <1225421498.7223.3.camel@iam>
	<17028517.M7qWMELLtR@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<gefcrg$3i3$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580810311142qf3a4a1enf218a4cb3c997b31@mail.gmail.com>
	<gehnij$r04$2@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <f495db580811011059lb5abd18pede67f9da0cfb1ff@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>
>>> try set this in your environment
>>>
>>> export FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
>>>
>>> or FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" firefox
>>>
>>> to check if it works
>>>
>>> regards
>>
>> What do you mean by environment? How or where do you set that?
>>
>>
>
> Firefox checks the environment variable FIREFOX_DSP which can be set
> to 'aoss', that would activate the alsa oss wrapper for applications that
> want to access /dev/dsp
>
> This way you can play flash and other sounds coming through firefox and use
> other sound players like amarok, xmms or whatever synchronously, presumably
> your alsa system is configured properly.
>
> regards

But what does that have to do with Amarok failing with networked
playing? It works fine with playing files on the HD.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From eric-kubuntu at skoozdag.com  Sat Nov  1 19:29:30 2008
From: eric-kubuntu at skoozdag.com (Eric (Kubuntu))
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:29:30 -0400
Subject: Wireless works with Ubuntu 8.10, but not with Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40810311254s985b404pdaea902bfd8c579e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490B596D.8080507@skoozdag.com>
	<15edeae40810311254s985b404pdaea902bfd8c579e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490CAE1A.9070503@skoozdag.com>

Willy Hamra wrote:
> this is really weird.
> do you mind having 2 desktop environments? the laptop have ubuntu
> (gnome) now, and wireless is working right? try to install using your
> favourite package manager, the package "kubuntu-desktop", the simplest
> way is to run from konsole:
> 
> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
> 
> this will install KDE4 alongside GNOME, effectively giving you
> kubuntu, but on the same setup that is successfully configuring
> wireless. and then at the login screen, you can choose if you want to
> log into GNOME or KDE.
> hope this helps
> 


Well sure enough, installing kubuntu-desktop onto of Ubuntu 8.10
worked... I can connect to wireless networks in KDE.  Still very odd
that a straight Kubuntu install did not work.  I wonder what is broken.


--Eric



From jdesmond at fast.net  Sat Nov  1 19:33:54 2008
From: jdesmond at fast.net (John Desmond)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:33:54 -0400
Subject: Clipboard managers for Linux ?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.454717.1224712260.15140.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
References: <mailman.454717.1224712260.15140.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <490CAF22.10102@fast.net>

Salutations, gentlefolk

Back in 45/148 I asked a 'dumb gnubie hard disk installation question' 
and added a request for clipboard manager info, which Donn answered:

<<

Message: 9 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:10:54 +0200
From: Donn <donn.ingle at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dumb gnubie hard disk installation questions
To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID: <200810230010.55049.donn.ingle at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Wednesday, 22 October 2008 21:33:16 jdesmond at fast.net wrote:

 > > Second, is there any Linux clupboard manager equivalent to ClipMate
(www.thornsoft.com for details thereon) ? ?Used to that productivity tool,
miss it now.


I don't know about ClipMate, but KDE comes with (or it can be installed
quickly) 'klipper' which is pretty damn productive!

Also remember that in most desktop managers simply *selecting* text 
copies it
to a kind of voodoo clipboard in the sky and you can paste that by
middle-click (usually clicking the mouse wheel does this). So you get
ctrl-C/V and Select/Middle-click which gives you two clipboards right 
off the
bat.

\d

 >>


OK, Klipper came installed with my system.  Now, here's what you can do, 
additionally, with ClipMate:

Set up a couple of dozen 'clipboards', each of effectively infinite 
capacity, and move items between them - ie, spend a few hours websurfing 
and copy everything interesting into 'stuff', then sort it into the 
'addresses' clipboard, the 'URLs' clipboard, the 'projects08-16' 
clipboard...

You can 'View' the entire contents of a clipboard item, and do basic 
editing of it.

ClipMate doesn't discard the CRLFs, keeps outlines, etc, as you laidout them

You can hit a button, and paste the items in a clipboard, one after 
another, in order.

Items in a clipboard stay where they are - if an important notes is 
'five-from-the-bottom' in the 'Project-14' clipboard, they'll be there 
no matter how many times they're 'pasted'

A clipboard window stays open, once it's opened - no need to mousedown 
to bottom of screen and reclick after every paste.

Only items 'copied' go to the clipboard - doesn't get clutteredup with 
random deleted bits

As I said, more at thornsoft.com.  I hope someone will produce a Linux 
equivalent soon.


Anyway, for now, is there any way to change the font size and background 
color in Klipper?

Yours, John Desmond





From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  1 19:37:30 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:37:30 +1100
Subject: re kopete
In-Reply-To: <a86b2f600811010013i1dddde80ke394b7d466e6e27a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W21AB536782047FBAA0C3DACD200@phx.gbl>
	<15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W374898DE2EE31B838B7E33CD200@phx.gbl>
	<490B7EBB.6000207@tiscali.co.uk>
	<BLU143-W2AA531E2CF06965E9682BCD230@phx.gbl> 
	<a86b2f600811010013i1dddde80ke394b7d466e6e27a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W19AE6FB0005A11C511D655CD230@phx.gbl>


Bogdan,
I am not an expert in xp pro but very knowedable, and had a dual boot with xp pro/Me o/s but sick
and tired of Me o/s as want something better then told about Kubuntu.
I am 57 retired living in Bendigo Victoria Australia< and would like to learn more about Kubuntu, but very
fustrated when things dont work as been told by people?????????
therefore if Kmail is difficult how does one ask to set up properly

ray
________________________________
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:13:03 +0200
> From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re kopete
> 
> Hello Ray,
> 
> Here is a KMail tutorial (quite old unfortunately):
> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/5707/1/
> 
> I believe the most difficult for new users would be setting up the new mail client with her/his mail account. Write to us when you bump into walls.
> And don't worry about not having enough knowledge about the new system. Most new users never reach the mailing list to ask for help, so you are already on the right track and better than most do.
> 
> If you find that a particular feature is missing from the program, please try and see if any of these extensions to Kmail does fit your needs: http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/tools.php
> 
> You say "I am from the windows school of xp pro". Care to elaborate? I am interested to see where new Kubuntu users come from. I am also interested if you could provide some personal data like age, location, level of education, what do you do for living. You are not required to give any details, but this would help us spread the word about Kubuntu.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Bogdan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> "The best way to predict the future is to invent it.", 1971, Alan Kay: http://www.smalltalk.org/alankay.html

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From gmane at auxbuss.com  Sat Nov  1 19:40:27 2008
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:40:27 +0100
Subject: update to 8.04 issue
Message-ID: <MPG.2376cf195cbc4c46989b70@news.gmane.org>

Hi,

I just updated to 8.04. Mostly it went okay. I detest the fact that 
Kubuntu insists on changing the KDM login setup on every update, but 
other that hosing the samba setup, it went well.

One problem remains, however, I use KDM, but now when I log out, I'm 
presented with tty 1. There's no error msg thrown out, just a command 
prompt sitting there blinking at me. I can ctrl+alt to all ttys. tty8 is 
pretty much dead, but I can ctrl+alt+del to reboot.

Any suggestions?

-- 
Cheers,
Marc




From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  1 19:43:29 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:43:29 +1100
Subject: FW: re kopete
In-Reply-To: <a86b2f600811010013i1dddde80ke394b7d466e6e27a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W21AB536782047FBAA0C3DACD200@phx.gbl>
	<15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W374898DE2EE31B838B7E33CD200@phx.gbl>
	<490B7EBB.6000207@tiscali.co.uk>
	<BLU143-W2AA531E2CF06965E9682BCD230@phx.gbl> 
	<a86b2f600811010013i1dddde80ke394b7d466e6e27a@mail.gmail.com> 
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________________________________
> From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: re kopete
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:37:30 +1100
> 
> Bogdan
, I am not an expert in xp pro but very knowedable, and had a dual boot with xp pro/Me o/s but sick and tired of Me o/s as want something better then told about Kubuntu. I am 57 retired living in Bendigo Victoria Australia< and would like to learn more about Kubuntu, but very fustrated when things dont work as been told by people????????? therefore if Kmail is difficult how does one ask to set up properly

 ray 
PS I dont understand the host(server) after the login name?????????


 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:13:03 +0200> From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: re kopete>> Hello Ray,>> Here is a KMail tutorial (quite old unfortunately):> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/5707/1/>> I believe the most difficult for new users would be setting up the new mail client with her/his mail account. Write to us when you bump into walls.> And don't worry about not having enough knowledge about the new system. Most new users never reach the mailing list to ask for help, so you are already on the right track and better than most do.>> If you find that a particular feature is missing from the program, please try and see if any of these extensions to Kmail does fit your needs: http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/tools.php>> You say "I am from the windows school of xp pro". Care to elaborate? I am interested to see where new Kubuntu users come from. I am also interested if you could provide some personal data like age, location, level of education, what do you do for living. You are not required to give any details, but this would help us spread the word about Kubuntu.>>> Thanks,> Bogdan>>>>> --> "The best way to predict the future is to invent it.", 1971, Alan Kay: http://www.smalltalk.org/alankay.html
> ________________________________
> 

_________________________________________________________________




From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  1 20:02:52 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:02:52 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810311730y219371adkd21b292354b8b778@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00810311730y219371adkd21b292354b8b778@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/11/1 Ray Burke :
> Dotan, All I want is to view the number of emails per ISP I have, but cant
> get the kshowmail to work as not sure what it means as Host(servers) I
> thought they were Hotmail.com/Alphalink.com Yahoo.com as my 3 ISP's but no
> wouldnt accept, and if kmail better how do I install and what is need to run
> it?
 
----------------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:30:18 +0200
> From: dotancohen at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
> 
> 2008/10/31 Ray Burke :
>>
>> Does anyone know of an Application in Kubuntu that is able to pre-read emails(Number)  with different
>> ISP's instead of connecting to them singularly, like pop peeper in xp pro
> 
> I am not familiar with pop peeper but in kmail you can download only
> the headers and leave the messages on the server. I suspect that this
> is what poop peeper is doing behind the scenes.
> 
> -- 
> Dotan Cohen
> 
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
> 
> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
> -- 
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users

_________________________________________________________________


From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar  Sat Nov  1 20:11:55 2008
From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:11:55 -0200
Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W277EB3F57A9A6C5D5197ECD230@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>
	<200811010944.13640.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar>
	<BLU143-W277EB3F57A9A6C5D5197ECD230@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200811011811.55759.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar>

Well, I've never used kshowmail... So I don't know exactly what host it is 
asking you for.
You should be able to copy your mail configuration from outlook or whatever mail 
client you have in windows. The most important info is:

Username: generally, whatever is before the @ in you mail address.

Password: No need to explain.

POP server (Post Office Protocol, this is the server where you ask for your 
mails). Yahoo's server is: pop.mail.yahoo.com (the others, I don't know)

SMTP server (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol, this is where you send all your mail 
and he delivers them to your addressees servers)

Most mail clients today can test the server for the rest of the informarmation 
(security protocol, encriptions, ports, etc). But you should read on your 
service provider's page how to configure your mail client. It doesn't really 
matters which one the explain, most of them ask the same. However you'll 
probably have som trouble with hotmail... I'm not sure if this is still true but 
they used to suppert only their own proprietary protocol. You should read 
hotmail's help and try to find if you can configure thunderbird to connect to 
hotmail... If thunderbird can, most certenly any other decent mail client can 
too with the same configuration.

On other things, you should respond to <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> if you 
want more help. If you don't, other users that maight know more than me in the 
list won't see your question and won't be able to help you.

Have fun,

Pablo

El Saturday 01 November 2008 17:17:58 Ray Burke escribió:
> Pablo,
>
> I have kshowmail installed not kmail but dont know how to set up the
> Host(server) that it requires as says not valid, as I have three emails
> accounts to  check (hotmail,alphalink and yahoo) which I thought the hosts
> were hotmail.com,alphalink.com and yahoo.com, but says No????????
>
> can you help
>
> ray
> ----------------------------------------
>
> > From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar
> > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
> > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:44:13 -0200
> >
> > If you are using Kubuntu (not Ubuntu), you already have it.
> > You can find it in the K menu, under Internet (or network, I'm using KDE
> > in spanish so I don't know the real english texts), it should say
> > something like "Mail client - Kmail".
> > You can also use it inside Knotact, Kontact is like a big frame to run
> > all the programs related with your personal information: mails, address
> > books, calendar, to-do lists, news reader. The mail program that runs
> > inside Kontact is exactly the same Kmail you can run on it's own. You can
> > find Kontact in the Office section of your K menu.
> >
> > If for whatever reason you don't have it... I think the best way to get
> > it is to just type in a terminal:
> >
> > sudo apt-get install kmail
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Pablo L.
> >
> > PS: when replying to messages from the list, try to reply to the list.
> >
> > El Saturday 01 November 2008 03:14:09 Ray Burke escribió:
> >> Pablo,
> >>
> >> I have ben told about kmail but not sure how to run it and downloadit
> >> from adept??? would you no with instructions as I am a newbie to Kubuntu
> >>
> >> ray> From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar> To:
> >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu app for checking
> >> emails> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:04:05 -0200>> I googled it and it and
> >> found a description:>> "POP Peeper is an email notifier that runs in
> >> your Windows task bar and alerts> you when you have new email on your
> >> POP3, IMAP (with IDLE support),> Hotmail\MSN\LiveMail, Yahoo, GMail,
> >> Mail.com, MyWay, Excite, iWon, Lycos.com,> RediffMail, Juno and NetZero
> >> accounts. IMAP supports allows you to access AOL,> AIM, Netscape and
> >> other services. Send mail directly from POP Peeper and use the> address
> >> book to email your frequently used contacts. POP Peeper allows you to>
> >> view messages using HTML or you can choose to safely view all messages
> >> in rich> or plain text."[...] (http://www.poppeeper.com/)>> I know there
> >> are some mail notifiers, I've used one myself some years ago... You>
> >> could try an independent mail notifier or use Kmail's option to keep an
> >> icon in> the system tray (you'll find that tab in kmail's look
> >> settings).>> Pablo L.>> El Friday 31 October 2008 22:30:18 Dotan Cohen
> >> escribió:>> 2008/10/31 Ray Burke
> >>
> >> :>>> Does anyone know of an Application in
> >>
> >> Kubuntu that is able to pre-read>>> emails(Number) with different ISP's
> >> instead of connecting to them>>> singularly, like pop peeper in xp pro>
> >>
> >>>>> I am not familiar with pop peeper but in kmail you can download only>
> >>>
> >>> the headers and leave the messages on the server. I suspect that this>>
> >>
> >> is what poop peeper is doing behind the scenes.>>>> -->> Dotan Cohen>>>
> >>
> >>> http://what-is-what.com>> http://gibberish.co.il>>
> >>
> >> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת>>>> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü>
> >>
> >>>>> --> kubuntu-users mailing list> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >>
> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
> >> _________________________________________________________________
> >
> > --
> > kubuntu-users mailing list
> > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
> _________________________________________________________________





From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 20:12:41 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:12:41 +0100
Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches
References: <490958D2.5050409@gmail.com>
	<f495db580810292354y32caf52aj380a355945878906@mail.gmail.com>
	<49096D1E.5050502@gmail.com> <1225421498.7223.3.camel@iam>
	<17028517.M7qWMELLtR@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<gefcrg$3i3$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580810311142qf3a4a1enf218a4cb3c997b31@mail.gmail.com>
	<gehnij$r04$2@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580811011059lb5abd18pede67f9da0cfb1ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <geid7p$tjp$1@ger.gmane.org>

Knapp wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Knapp wrote:
>>
>>>> try set this in your environment
>>>>
>>>> export FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
>>>>
>>>> or FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" firefox
>>>>
>>>> to check if it works
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>
>>> What do you mean by environment? How or where do you set that?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Firefox checks the environment variable FIREFOX_DSP which can be set
>> to 'aoss', that would activate the alsa oss wrapper for applications that
>> want to access /dev/dsp
>>
>> This way you can play flash and other sounds coming through firefox and
>> use other sound players like amarok, xmms or whatever synchronously,
>> presumably your alsa system is configured properly.
>>
>> regards
> 
> But what does that have to do with Amarok failing with networked
> playing? It works fine with playing files on the HD.

I solved similar problem this way once and forever.
What plugin/app is used to play the stream?
If this plugin is not using alsa or alsa is not well configured I think it
has to do with it. At the end the sound goes out over the sound card
doesn't matter where it's coming from.

regards




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 20:18:06 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:18:06 +0200
Subject: re kopete
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W19AE6FB0005A11C511D655CD230@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W21AB536782047FBAA0C3DACD200@phx.gbl>	<15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com>	<BLU143-W374898DE2EE31B838B7E33CD200@phx.gbl>	<490B7EBB.6000207@tiscali.co.uk>	<BLU143-W2AA531E2CF06965E9682BCD230@phx.gbl>
	<a86b2f600811010013i1dddde80ke394b7d466e6e27a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W19AE6FB0005A11C511D655CD230@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <490CB97E.9020302@gmail.com>

Ray Burke wrote:
>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:13:03 +0200
>> From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com
>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: re kopete
>>
>> Hello Ray,
>>
>> Here is a KMail tutorial (quite old unfortunately):
>> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/5707/1/
>>
>> I believe the most difficult for new users would be setting up the new mail client with her/his mail account. Write to us when you bump into walls.
>> And don't worry about not having enough knowledge about the new system. Most new users never reach the mailing list to ask for help, so you are already on the right track and better than most do.
>>
>> If you find that a particular feature is missing from the program, please try and see if any of these extensions to Kmail does fit your needs: http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/tools.php
>>
>> You say "I am from the windows school of xp pro". Care to elaborate? I am interested to see where new Kubuntu users come from. I am also interested if you could provide some personal data like age, location, level of education, what do you do for living. You are not required to give any details, but this would help us spread the word about Kubuntu.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bogdan
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Bogdan,
> I am not an expert in xp pro but very knowedable, and had a dual boot
with xp pro/Me o/s but sick
> and tired of Me o/s as want something better then told about Kubuntu.
> I am 57 retired living in Bendigo Victoria Australia< and would like
to learn more about Kubuntu, but very
> fustrated when things dont work as been told by people?????????
> therefore if Kmail is difficult how does one ask to set up properly
>
> ray
> ________________________________


Ray, i understand where your frustration comes from. i've been a windows
user for 10+ years, and only moved to Linux a bit more than a year ago.
when it comes to free open source programs, you need to remember that
Google has always, and will always, be your friend. almost every simple
question you might have about a certain software is already answered
somewhere, and google will show it. as soon as things start getting
complicated, more complex stuff, weird configurations and the like, this
mailing list will be of much help. are you familiar with IRC? press
alt+f2 , and type without the quotations "konversation" , this will open
and IRC client that is configured by default to connect to the kubuntu
support channel, people there might as well, be of much help in simple
quick configurations.
i noticed in your other email, you're asking about host server? this
information is provided by the email provider usually. almost all email
providers have some support website that you can search in for POP
access, and it will tell you how to configure your email client to
connect to their servers. this is an example page from gmail
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287
other providers will provide different instructions, but this is in
general how configurations look like.
hope this helps you
cheers

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From doc.evans at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 21:05:29 2008
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:05:29 -0600
Subject: intrepid kate problem
Message-ID: <490CC499.9050308@gmail.com>

I'm not sure whether this is something I've done or not, but for whatever
reason, in intrepid kate always starts up maximized instead of remembering
its last-used size.

In particular, if I right-click the title bar, the item "Maximize" is
always checked.

How do I tell kate to start up with its last-used size?

I've tried fiddling with the "Configure Window Behaviour", but the meanings
of a lot of those aren't obvious and the end result has been that I haven't
been able to change kate's behaviour.

  Doc

-- 
Web:  http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 21:27:04 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:27:04 +1000
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811010801j7af881b4mcd1c7f92b0f41e3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811011447.33471.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>
	<880dece00811010801j7af881b4mcd1c7f92b0f41e3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811020727.04731.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:01:33 am Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/1 Mark Fraser <kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>:
> > Flash Player 10 seems to be working OK in Konqueror here.
>
> Which version of KDE do you have? Which version of KDE does Lindsay have?

Sorry, should have said.

I'm KDE 4.1.2 on Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 21:35:53 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:35:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Amarok radio listening headaches
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811011059lb5abd18pede67f9da0cfb1ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <256404.88299.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Amarok radio listening headaches
> To: deloptes at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 6:59 PM
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Emanoil Kotsev
> <deloptes at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Knapp wrote:
> >
> >>> try set this in your environment
> >>>
> >>> export FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
> >>>
> >>> or FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" firefox
> >>>
> >>> to check if it works
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>
> >> What do you mean by environment? How or where do
> you set that?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Firefox checks the environment variable FIREFOX_DSP
> which can be set
> > to 'aoss', that would activate the alsa oss
> wrapper for applications that
> > want to access /dev/dsp
> >
> > This way you can play flash and other sounds coming
> through firefox and use
> > other sound players like amarok, xmms or whatever
> synchronously, presumably
> > your alsa system is configured properly.
> >
> > regards
> 
> But what does that have to do with Amarok failing with
> networked
> playing? It works fine with playing files on the HD.
> -- 

Hypothesis: when /dev/dsp buzy, apps can not use the sound system 

Experiment: 
Try to play a file at /dev/dsp and in the same time try play a file over alsa. it's not working, cause dsp is blocking everything.

Try to play a file at /dev/dsp over aoss and in the same time play a file over alsa and it works.

-------

The problem: some plugins (flash, realplay, java applets etc) use /dev/dsp which when used blocks the sound system for other apps

The problem in this case as stated in the beginning of the discussion is that when listening to strem over firefox, amarok won't play. Sounds like the general problem described.

Solution: Try using the aoss wrapper for firefox. The best way use the variable provided therefor.

hope it is clear and helps

regards


      



From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  1 21:41:09 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:41:09 +1100
Subject: re kopete
In-Reply-To: <490CB97E.9020302@gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W21AB536782047FBAA0C3DACD200@phx.gbl>
	<15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W374898DE2EE31B838B7E33CD200@phx.gbl>
	<490B7EBB.6000207@tiscali.co.uk>
	<BLU143-W2AA531E2CF06965E9682BCD230@phx.gbl>
	<a86b2f600811010013i1dddde80ke394b7d466e6e27a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W19AE6FB0005A11C511D655CD230@phx.gbl>
	<490CB97E.9020302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W36E11ADDCA1AF052E8BC8ECD230@phx.gbl>


Bodgan,

How do I start Kmail as not showing in my kmenu but installed and now upgrading 
thru adept??????

ray
----------------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:18:06 +0200
> From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re kopete
> 
> Ray Burke wrote:
>>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:13:03 +0200
>>> From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com
>>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject: Re: re kopete
>>>
>>> Hello Ray,
>>>
>>> Here is a KMail tutorial (quite old unfortunately):
>>> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/5707/1/
>>>
>>> I believe the most difficult for new users would be setting up the new mail client with her/his mail account. Write to us when you bump into walls.
>>> And don't worry about not having enough knowledge about the new system. Most new users never reach the mailing list to ask for help, so you are already on the right track and better than most do.
>>>
>>> If you find that a particular feature is missing from the program, please try and see if any of these extensions to Kmail does fit your needs: http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/tools.php
>>>
>>> You say "I am from the windows school of xp pro". Care to elaborate? I am interested to see where new Kubuntu users come from. I am also interested if you could provide some personal data like age, location, level of education, what do you do for living. You are not required to give any details, but this would help us spread the word about Kubuntu.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bogdan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Bogdan,
>> I am not an expert in xp pro but very knowedable, and had a dual boot
> with xp pro/Me o/s but sick
>> and tired of Me o/s as want something better then told about Kubuntu.
>> I am 57 retired living in Bendigo Victoria Australia< and would like
> to learn more about Kubuntu, but very
>> fustrated when things dont work as been told by people?????????
>> therefore if Kmail is difficult how does one ask to set up properly
>>
>> ray
>> ________________________________
> 
> 
> Ray, i understand where your frustration comes from. i've been a windows
> user for 10+ years, and only moved to Linux a bit more than a year ago.
> when it comes to free open source programs, you need to remember that
> Google has always, and will always, be your friend. almost every simple
> question you might have about a certain software is already answered
> somewhere, and google will show it. as soon as things start getting
> complicated, more complex stuff, weird configurations and the like, this
> mailing list will be of much help. are you familiar with IRC? press
> alt+f2 , and type without the quotations "konversation" , this will open
> and IRC client that is configured by default to connect to the kubuntu
> support channel, people there might as well, be of much help in simple
> quick configurations.
> i noticed in your other email, you're asking about host server? this
> information is provided by the email provider usually. almost all email
> providers have some support website that you can search in for POP
> access, and it will tell you how to configure your email client to
> connect to their servers. this is an example page from gmail
> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287
> other providers will provide different instructions, but this is in
> general how configurations look like.
> hope this helps you
> cheers
> 
> -- 
> Willy K. Hamra
> Manager of Hamra Information Systems
> Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net

_________________________________________________________________




From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 22:04:03 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:04:03 +0100
Subject: re kopete
References: <BLU143-W21AB536782047FBAA0C3DACD200@phx.gbl>
	<15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W374898DE2EE31B838B7E33CD200@phx.gbl>
	<490B7EBB.6000207@tiscali.co.uk>
	<BLU143-W2AA531E2CF06965E9682BCD230@phx.gbl>
	<a86b2f600811010013i1dddde80ke394b7d466e6e27a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W19AE6FB0005A11C511D655CD230@phx.gbl>
	<490CB97E.9020302@gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W36E11ADDCA1AF052E8BC8ECD230@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <geijoj$9qv$1@ger.gmane.org>

Ray Burke wrote:

> 
> Bodgan,
> 
> How do I start Kmail as not showing in my kmenu but installed and now
> upgrading thru adept??????
> 

1) ALT+F2
2) write kmail
3) enter





From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 22:37:40 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:37:40 +0200
Subject: re kopete
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W36E11ADDCA1AF052E8BC8ECD230@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W21AB536782047FBAA0C3DACD200@phx.gbl>	<15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com>	<BLU143-W374898DE2EE31B838B7E33CD200@phx.gbl>	<490B7EBB.6000207@tiscali.co.uk>	<BLU143-W2AA531E2CF06965E9682BCD230@phx.gbl>	<a86b2f600811010013i1dddde80ke394b7d466e6e27a@mail.gmail.com>	<BLU143-W19AE6FB0005A11C511D655CD230@phx.gbl>	<490CB97E.9020302@gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W36E11ADDCA1AF052E8BC8ECD230@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <490CDA34.2020800@gmail.com>

>> Ray Burke wrote:
>>>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:13:03 +0200
>>>> From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com
>>>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>> Subject: Re: re kopete
>>>>
>>>> Hello Ray,
>>>>
>>>> Here is a KMail tutorial (quite old unfortunately):
>>>> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/5707/1/
>>>>
>>>> I believe the most difficult for new users would be setting up the new mail client with her/his mail account. Write to us when you bump into walls.
>>>> And don't worry about not having enough knowledge about the new system. Most new users never reach the mailing list to ask for help, so you are already on the right track and better than most do.
>>>>
>>>> If you find that a particular feature is missing from the program, please try and see if any of these extensions to Kmail does fit your needs: http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/tools.php
>>>>
>>>> You say "I am from the windows school of xp pro". Care to elaborate? I am interested to see where new Kubuntu users come from. I am also interested if you could provide some personal data like age, location, level of education, what do you do for living. You are not required to give any details, but this would help us spread the word about Kubuntu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bogdan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Bogdan,
>>> I am not an expert in xp pro but very knowedable, and had a dual boot
>> with xp pro/Me o/s but sick
>>> and tired of Me o/s as want something better then told about Kubuntu.
>>> I am 57 retired living in Bendigo Victoria Australia< and would like
>> to learn more about Kubuntu, but very
>>> fustrated when things dont work as been told by people?????????
>>> therefore if Kmail is difficult how does one ask to set up properly
>>>
>>> ray
>>> ________________________________
>>
>> Ray, i understand where your frustration comes from. i've been a windows
>> user for 10+ years, and only moved to Linux a bit more than a year ago.
>> when it comes to free open source programs, you need to remember that
>> Google has always, and will always, be your friend. almost every simple
>> question you might have about a certain software is already answered
>> somewhere, and google will show it. as soon as things start getting
>> complicated, more complex stuff, weird configurations and the like, this
>> mailing list will be of much help. are you familiar with IRC? press
>> alt+f2 , and type without the quotations "konversation" , this will open
>> and IRC client that is configured by default to connect to the kubuntu
>> support channel, people there might as well, be of much help in simple
>> quick configurations.
>> i noticed in your other email, you're asking about host server? this
>> information is provided by the email provider usually. almost all email
>> providers have some support website that you can search in for POP
>> access, and it will tell you how to configure your email client to
>> connect to their servers. this is an example page from gmail
>> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287
>> other providers will provide different instructions, but this is in
>> general how configurations look like.
>> hope this helps you
>> cheers
>>
Ray Burke wrote:
> Bodgan,
>
> How do I start Kmail as not showing in my kmenu but installed and now
upgrading
> thru adept??????
>
> ray
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:18:06 +0200
>> From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com
>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: re kopete
>>

as emanoil pointed, you can use alt+f2, if you prefer menus, kmail is
part of the kontact suite, click the k-menu (start-like button in the
corener), go to internet, you should see kontact there. if you prefer,
you can put a shortcut of kmail somewhere handy, desktop, quick launch,
etc...

by the way, for future posts, what version of kubuntu are you using?

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com  Sat Nov  1 22:37:59 2008
From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:37:59 +0000
Subject: Trying to install 8.10
Message-ID: <20081101223759.5c2ccdfe@graham-desktop>

I have an athlon64 home built machine.  It runs DVDs fine and also
burns them (in a different DVD unit).

I downloaded the 64bit version of Kubuntu 8.10 and burnt it to disk
(CD).  However when running it to install, it stops when the screen
goes totally white and seems to freeze.  I cleaned the reader DVD, and
the same thing happened.

So I downloaded the i386 version of 8.10, and burnt it to CD.  However
this disk did not install completely, but the install stoped at a
totally white screen.  I left it for over half-an-hour before "pulling
the plug".

Finally, I amended the BIOS to boot from the burner DVD drive, but the
install stopped at the white screen.  Apart from burning Cds to
overcome a bad burn (I have a number of coasters now burnt at different
speeds) can anyone suggest a remedy.

Currently, I have gOS 3.0 installed, but I'd really like KDE4 and gOS
runs a modified Gnome desktop.  The gOS download was burnt on the same
burner as the Kubuntu 8.10 and reads well on a number of machines, so
it seems that its the downloaded .iso that's at fault, but I'm open to
suggestions.

-- 
Graham Todd




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 22:42:46 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:42:46 +0200
Subject: intrepid kate problem
In-Reply-To: <490CC499.9050308@gmail.com>
References: <490CC499.9050308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490CDB66.5000601@gmail.com>

D. R. Evans wrote:
> I'm not sure whether this is something I've done or not, but for whatever
> reason, in intrepid kate always starts up maximized instead of remembering
> its last-used size.
> 
> In particular, if I right-click the title bar, the item "Maximize" is
> always checked.
> 
> How do I tell kate to start up with its last-used size?
> 
> I've tried fiddling with the "Configure Window Behaviour", but the meanings
> of a lot of those aren't obvious and the end result has been that I haven't
> been able to change kate's behaviour.
> 
>   Doc
> 

lol, i hate it when my apps forget that i like them maximised :P they
always start small. but i can see why would someone want kate small.
i digged a bit, and found this for you, windows
behaviour-->moving-->placement , it is smart by default, change it to
something else.
hope this helps

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 23:31:10 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:31:10 +1000
Subject: Trying to install 8.10
In-Reply-To: <20081101223759.5c2ccdfe@graham-desktop>
References: <20081101223759.5c2ccdfe@graham-desktop>
Message-ID: <200811020931.10973.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:37:59 am Graham Todd wrote:
>
> I downloaded the 64bit version of Kubuntu 8.10 and burnt it to disk
> (CD).  However when running it to install, it stops when the screen
> goes totally white and seems to freeze.  I cleaned the reader DVD, and
> the same thing happened.

Have you tried running the text mode install.


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  2 00:24:01 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:24:01 +1100
Subject: re kopete
In-Reply-To: <490CDA34.2020800@gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W21AB536782047FBAA0C3DACD200@phx.gbl>
	<15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W374898DE2EE31B838B7E33CD200@phx.gbl>
	<490B7EBB.6000207@tiscali.co.uk>
	<BLU143-W2AA531E2CF06965E9682BCD230@phx.gbl>
	<a86b2f600811010013i1dddde80ke394b7d466e6e27a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W19AE6FB0005A11C511D655CD230@phx.gbl>	<490CB97E.9020302@gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W36E11ADDCA1AF052E8BC8ECD230@phx.gbl>
	<490CDA34.2020800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W68F7579EB544880079F76CD220@phx.gbl>


Bogan,

I saw the link that says about gmail, but how do I ook for the other 3?

ray
----------------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:37:40 +0200
> From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re kopete
> 
>>> Ray Burke wrote:
>>>>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:13:03 +0200
>>>>> From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com
>>>>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: re kopete
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Ray,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a KMail tutorial (quite old unfortunately):
>>>>> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/5707/1/
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the most difficult for new users would be setting up the new mail client with her/his mail account. Write to us when you bump into walls.
>>>>> And don't worry about not having enough knowledge about the new system. Most new users never reach the mailing list to ask for help, so you are already on the right track and better than most do.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you find that a particular feature is missing from the program, please try and see if any of these extensions to Kmail does fit your needs: http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/tools.php
>>>>>
>>>>> You say "I am from the windows school of xp pro". Care to elaborate? I am interested to see where new Kubuntu users come from. I am also interested if you could provide some personal data like age, location, level of education, what do you do for living. You are not required to give any details, but this would help us spread the word about Kubuntu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Bogdan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Bogdan,
>>>> I am not an expert in xp pro but very knowedable, and had a dual boot
>>> with xp pro/Me o/s but sick
>>>> and tired of Me o/s as want something better then told about Kubuntu.
>>>> I am 57 retired living in Bendigo Victoria Australia< and would like
>>> to learn more about Kubuntu, but very
>>>> fustrated when things dont work as been told by people?????????
>>>> therefore if Kmail is difficult how does one ask to set up properly
>>>>
>>>> ray
>>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> Ray, i understand where your frustration comes from. i've been a windows
>>> user for 10+ years, and only moved to Linux a bit more than a year ago.
>>> when it comes to free open source programs, you need to remember that
>>> Google has always, and will always, be your friend. almost every simple
>>> question you might have about a certain software is already answered
>>> somewhere, and google will show it. as soon as things start getting
>>> complicated, more complex stuff, weird configurations and the like, this
>>> mailing list will be of much help. are you familiar with IRC? press
>>> alt+f2 , and type without the quotations "konversation" , this will open
>>> and IRC client that is configured by default to connect to the kubuntu
>>> support channel, people there might as well, be of much help in simple
>>> quick configurations.
>>> i noticed in your other email, you're asking about host server? this
>>> information is provided by the email provider usually. almost all email
>>> providers have some support website that you can search in for POP
>>> access, and it will tell you how to configure your email client to
>>> connect to their servers. this is an example page from gmail
>>> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287
>>> other providers will provide different instructions, but this is in
>>> general how configurations look like.
>>> hope this helps you
>>> cheers
>>>
> Ray Burke wrote:
>> Bodgan,
>>
>> How do I start Kmail as not showing in my kmenu but installed and now
> upgrading
>> thru adept??????
>>
>> ray
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:18:06 +0200
>>> From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com
>>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject: Re: re kopete
>>>
> 
> as emanoil pointed, you can use alt+f2, if you prefer menus, kmail is
> part of the kontact suite, click the k-menu (start-like button in the
> corener), go to internet, you should see kontact there. if you prefer,
> you can put a shortcut of kmail somewhere handy, desktop, quick launch,
> etc...
> 
> by the way, for future posts, what version of kubuntu are you using?
> 
> -- 
> Willy K. Hamra
> Manager of Hamra Information Systems
> Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net

_________________________________________________________________




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 00:56:05 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:56:05 +1000
Subject: Adept search not reflecting apt-cache search
Message-ID: <200811021056.05603.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

I was looking to install kdevelop and the kde sdk via adept, but the adept 
search results seem strangely lacking. A adept search for kde sdk, kde4, 
kdesdk and others found nothing, whereas the following shows up on a "apt-get 
search kde sdk"

kdesdk - Software Development Kit from the official KDE 4 release
kdesdk-dbg - debugging symbols for the KDE 4 Software Development Kit module
kdesdk-dev - development files for the KDE 4 Software Development Kit module
kdesdk-kio-plugins - transparent Subversion access for KDE 4 applications
kdesdk-misc - miscellaneous tools from the KDE 4 Software Development Kit
kdesdk-scripts - scripts and data files for KDE 4 development
kdesdk-strigi-plugins - software development file format plugins for Strigi 
Desktop Search
kde-devel - the K Desktop Environment development files and modules




-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  2 00:56:18 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:56:18 +1100
Subject: re kopete
In-Reply-To: <490CDA34.2020800@gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W21AB536782047FBAA0C3DACD200@phx.gbl>
	<15edeae40810311342m47dd4e8boacd30e12905ccd26@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W374898DE2EE31B838B7E33CD200@phx.gbl>
	<490B7EBB.6000207@tiscali.co.uk>
	<BLU143-W2AA531E2CF06965E9682BCD230@phx.gbl>
	<a86b2f600811010013i1dddde80ke394b7d466e6e27a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W19AE6FB0005A11C511D655CD230@phx.gbl>	<490CB97E.9020302@gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W36E11ADDCA1AF052E8BC8ECD230@phx.gbl>
	<490CDA34.2020800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W5742D83C391862A9AEE20CD220@phx.gbl>


Bogdan,

Thanks for that after clicking in kontact it worked but the minute I tried ti view the outbox it 
closed down, and from kontact is will make a shortcut in the taskbar to Kmail?

ray
----------------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:37:40 +0200
> From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re kopete
> 
>>> Ray Burke wrote:
>>>>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:13:03 +0200
>>>>> From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com
>>>>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: re kopete
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Ray,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a KMail tutorial (quite old unfortunately):
>>>>> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/5707/1/
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the most difficult for new users would be setting up the new mail client with her/his mail account. Write to us when you bump into walls.
>>>>> And don't worry about not having enough knowledge about the new system. Most new users never reach the mailing list to ask for help, so you are already on the right track and better than most do.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you find that a particular feature is missing from the program, please try and see if any of these extensions to Kmail does fit your needs: http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/tools.php
>>>>>
>>>>> You say "I am from the windows school of xp pro". Care to elaborate? I am interested to see where new Kubuntu users come from. I am also interested if you could provide some personal data like age, location, level of education, what do you do for living. You are not required to give any details, but this would help us spread the word about Kubuntu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Bogdan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Bogdan,
>>>> I am not an expert in xp pro but very knowedable, and had a dual boot
>>> with xp pro/Me o/s but sick
>>>> and tired of Me o/s as want something better then told about Kubuntu.
>>>> I am 57 retired living in Bendigo Victoria Australia< and would like
>>> to learn more about Kubuntu, but very
>>>> fustrated when things dont work as been told by people?????????
>>>> therefore if Kmail is difficult how does one ask to set up properly
>>>>
>>>> ray
>>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> Ray, i understand where your frustration comes from. i've been a windows
>>> user for 10+ years, and only moved to Linux a bit more than a year ago.
>>> when it comes to free open source programs, you need to remember that
>>> Google has always, and will always, be your friend. almost every simple
>>> question you might have about a certain software is already answered
>>> somewhere, and google will show it. as soon as things start getting
>>> complicated, more complex stuff, weird configurations and the like, this
>>> mailing list will be of much help. are you familiar with IRC? press
>>> alt+f2 , and type without the quotations "konversation" , this will open
>>> and IRC client that is configured by default to connect to the kubuntu
>>> support channel, people there might as well, be of much help in simple
>>> quick configurations.
>>> i noticed in your other email, you're asking about host server? this
>>> information is provided by the email provider usually. almost all email
>>> providers have some support website that you can search in for POP
>>> access, and it will tell you how to configure your email client to
>>> connect to their servers. this is an example page from gmail
>>> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287
>>> other providers will provide different instructions, but this is in
>>> general how configurations look like.
>>> hope this helps you
>>> cheers
>>>
> Ray Burke wrote:
>> Bodgan,
>>
>> How do I start Kmail as not showing in my kmenu but installed and now
> upgrading
>> thru adept??????
>>
>> ray
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:18:06 +0200
>>> From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com
>>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject: Re: re kopete
>>>
> 
> as emanoil pointed, you can use alt+f2, if you prefer menus, kmail is
> part of the kontact suite, click the k-menu (start-like button in the
> corener), go to internet, you should see kontact there. if you prefer,
> you can put a shortcut of kmail somewhere handy, desktop, quick launch,
> etc...
> 
> by the way, for future posts, what version of kubuntu are you using?
> 
> -- 
> Willy K. Hamra
> Manager of Hamra Information Systems
> Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net

_________________________________________________________________




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov  2 02:26:21 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:26:21 -0300
Subject: Wireless works with Ubuntu 8.10, but not with Kubuntu 8.10
References: <490B596D.8080507@skoozdag.com>
	<15edeae40810311254s985b404pdaea902bfd8c579e@mail.gmail.com>
	<490CAE1A.9070503@skoozdag.com>
Message-ID: <3804586.YTDR8zsViD@cedar.serverforest.com>

Eric (Kubuntu) wrote:

- what a remarkable coincidence that your name is kubuntu :-)

> Well sure enough, installing kubuntu-desktop onto of Ubuntu 8.10
> worked... I can connect to wireless networks in KDE.  Still very odd
> that a straight Kubuntu install did not work.  I wonder what is broken.

Different kernels?  I had a similar problem with hardy.  When I installed
hardy Kubuntu via the upgrade procedure, I had no wireless, but using the
Ubuntu Live CD I had no problem.  So I rebooted hardy with the old Gutsy
kernel and lived with that until I got a 2.6.26 kernel from Intrepid in
June or July.  The only difference that made sense between the Kubuntu &
Ubuntu installs was that the kernel on the CD was two or three minor
releases older than what I was getting installing Kubuntu over the 'net. 
otoh, I seem to recall I actually booted off that kernel _into_ kubuntu,
and it wasn't any better.  
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov  2 02:34:46 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:34:46 -0300
Subject: Updates, packages and tracking the whole lot
References: <490C4097.8070201@invisibleray.com>
Message-ID: <20794654.isJkatiOXG@cedar.serverforest.com>

Laurent Humblet wrote:

> I would like to know the following things about the packages/updates:
> 
> - when was a package released for update
> - what exactly was fixed/updated in that package
> - when was that package installed on my local machine
> - who requested that update on my local machine

# sudo aptitude changelog

/var/log/dpkg.log* should be able to tell you every package that was
installed & when (aptitude maintains its own log, and iirc so does
synaptic - but they both - and others - call dpkg so that's the best place
to look).  

"Who" is a little problematic - because it's _always_ root!  Best bet is
probably to configure sudoers to log use of any of the package update
programs (and lock the "root" account if you unlocked it).  That still
won't help you if somebody wants to do "sudo su" or "sudo -i", first.
-- 
derek




From kamikazow at web.de  Sun Nov  2 05:09:55 2008
From: kamikazow at web.de (Markus)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:09:55 +0100
Subject: Alternative KDE packages?
Message-ID: <200811020609.55487.kamikazow@web.de>

Hi there.
Hopefully you guys can answer my question positively.
I wonder if there are any alternative KDE 4.1.x packages available. The Ubuntu 
installation on the PC I use at work was updated to Intrepid on Friday and 
while I was pleased to see KDE 4.1 (I use it at home for months), I was 
shocked about the incredibly bad state of the German localization in Kubuntu:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885 at N00/2991047111/sizes/o/

For comparison, openSUSE: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885 at N00/2991042741/sizes/o/in/photostream/

I googled a bit, but I couldn't find alternative packages, except the official 
source codes to compile by myself. Are there any?

Thanks in advance,
 Markus



From nadreck at palain.com  Sun Nov  2 09:25:18 2008
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:25:18 -0500
Subject: Krusader won't launch programs after upgrade
Message-ID: <490D71FE.3050502@palain.com>

I use Krusader as my file manager and before the upgrade it would launch 
programs by double-clicking on a file. After upgrading to Intrepid, it 
won't do this.  Even if I right-click and select "open with ..." from 
the context menu nothing happens. Any idea how I can get this behavior back?

Thank you,

-- 
Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL
nadreck at palain.com      Linux User #333216

<Journalism> "A profession whose business it is to explain to others 
what it personally does not understand." - Lord Northcliffe



From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk  Sun Nov  2 10:51:36 2008
From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:51:36 +0000
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <200811020727.04731.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811010801j7af881b4mcd1c7f92b0f41e3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811020727.04731.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811021051.36405.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>

On Saturday 01 November 2008 21:27:04 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:01:33 am Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/11/1 Mark Fraser <kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>:
> > > Flash Player 10 seems to be working OK in Konqueror here.
> >
> > Which version of KDE do you have? Which version of KDE does Lindsay have?
>
> Sorry, should have said.
>
> I'm KDE 4.1.2 on Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10

I'm using KDE 3.5.10 on Kubuntu 8.04.

-- 
Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org




From jonorland at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 11:43:58 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:43:58 +0100
Subject: Adept search not reflecting apt-cache search
In-Reply-To: <200811021056.05603.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811021056.05603.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811020343s11bce111x2b49ea330caa99c2@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/2 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
> I was looking to install kdevelop and the kde sdk via adept, but the adept
> search results seem strangely lacking. A adept search for kde sdk, kde4,
> kdesdk and others found nothing, whereas the following shows up on a "apt-get
> search kde sdk"
>
> kdesdk - Software Development Kit from the official KDE 4 release
> kdesdk-dbg - debugging symbols for the KDE 4 Software Development Kit module
> kdesdk-dev - development files for the KDE 4 Software Development Kit module
> kdesdk-kio-plugins - transparent Subversion access for KDE 4 applications
> kdesdk-misc - miscellaneous tools from the KDE 4 Software Development Kit
> kdesdk-scripts - scripts and data files for KDE 4 development
> kdesdk-strigi-plugins - software development file format plugins for Strigi
> Desktop Search
> kde-devel - the K Desktop Environment development files and modules
>
>

Do you use Adept 3 in Intrepid? I do and I don't know why they use
that version, it's almost useless, the old Adept in Hardy did at lest
work. I started to use aptitude in Intrepid, it's good when you
learned how to use it.

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 11:47:30 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:47:30 +0100
Subject: Krusader won't launch programs after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <490D71FE.3050502@palain.com>
References: <490D71FE.3050502@palain.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811020347m694abdc5xa63a6e8be01aa44b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/2 Kevin B. O'Brien <nadreck at palain.com>:
> I use Krusader as my file manager and before the upgrade it would launch
> programs by double-clicking on a file. After upgrading to Intrepid, it
> won't do this.  Even if I right-click and select "open with ..." from
> the context menu nothing happens. Any idea how I can get this behavior back?
>

No sorry. I use Krusader all the time as my main filebrowser and it
work as it should for me in Intrepid. I did a fresh install so perheps
it's some old config files that messing with you.

/ Jonas



From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 11:59:56 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:59:56 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
Message-ID: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hello,

I should say that Dolphin is a very stupid application. Some would say again
that I don't want to change, but I don't understand why it is my default
file manager and who did spent time for programming this and why. It does
not do some things like it should and it appears right then as default,
when konqueror finally started working for me. I suppose some
developers "intelligence" behind the scene.

So does anyone knows how to replace Dolphin with konqueror systemwide?

I would just remove dolphin binary and link konqueror to it, but this is not
nice way to do so.

thanks




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 12:14:22 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 13:14:22 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <f495db580811020414k101ccca0m3d96f3c08974613@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I should say that Dolphin is a very stupid application. Some would say again
> that I don't want to change, but I don't understand why it is my default
> file manager and who did spent time for programming this and why. It does
> not do some things like it should and it appears right then as default,
> when konqueror finally started working for me. I suppose some
> developers "intelligence" behind the scene.
>
> So does anyone knows how to replace Dolphin with konqueror systemwide?
>
> I would just remove dolphin binary and link konqueror to it, but this is not
> nice way to do so.
>
> thanks

KDE 3 or 4?
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 12:15:14 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:15:14 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580811020414k101ccca0m3d96f3c08974613@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gek5ki$kcb$2@ger.gmane.org>

Knapp wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I should say that Dolphin is a very stupid application. Some would say
>> again that I don't want to change, but I don't understand why it is my
>> default file manager and who did spent time for programming this and why.
>> It does not do some things like it should and it appears right then as
>> default, when konqueror finally started working for me. I suppose some
>> developers "intelligence" behind the scene.
>>
>> So does anyone knows how to replace Dolphin with konqueror systemwide?
>>
>> I would just remove dolphin binary and link konqueror to it, but this is
>> not nice way to do so.
>>
>> thanks
> 
> KDE 3 or 4?

kde3






From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 12:28:54 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:28:54 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gek5ki$kcb$2@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580811020414k101ccca0m3d96f3c08974613@mail.gmail.com>
	<gek5ki$kcb$2@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <880dece00811020428k5acac814x9728baf5ce6b60fd@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
>> KDE 3 or 4?
>
> kde3
>

$ sudo apt-get remove d3lphin

Notice that it is d3lphin and not dolphin.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 12:30:24 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:30:24 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811020428k5acac814x9728baf5ce6b60fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580811020414k101ccca0m3d96f3c08974613@mail.gmail.com>
	<gek5ki$kcb$2@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811020428k5acac814x9728baf5ce6b60fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811020430x1199c9cfpc39cf3610f537855@mail.gmail.com>

I would also like to note that while Dolphin on KDE 3 is terrible, and
the Dolphin in KDE 4.0 was merely bad, the Dolphin in KDE 4.1 is
actually pretty good. So please don't let this experience spoil the
Dolphin name for you.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From kassube at gmx.net  Sun Nov  2 12:35:05 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 13:35:05 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gek5ki$kcb$2@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580811020414k101ccca0m3d96f3c08974613@mail.gmail.com>
	<gek5ki$kcb$2@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> >> I should say that Dolphin is a very stupid application.

That's your opinion - I know people who like dolphin.

> >> So does anyone knows how to replace Dolphin with konqueror
> >> systemwide?
> >>
> >> I would just remove dolphin binary and link konqueror to it, but
> >> this is not nice way to do so.
>
> kde3

Remove package dolphin - not just the binary. Then Konqueror becomes the 
default file manager.


Nils



From jonorland at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 12:47:08 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 13:47:08 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811020447k762162a3oef9b669f391fa08d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
> Hello,
>
> I should say that Dolphin is a very stupid application. Some would say again
> that I don't want to change, but I don't understand why it is my default
> file manager and who did spent time for programming this and why. It does
> not do some things like it should and it appears right then as default,
> when konqueror finally started working for me. I suppose some
> developers "intelligence" behind the scene.
>
> So does anyone knows how to replace Dolphin with konqueror systemwide?
>
> I would just remove dolphin binary and link konqueror to it, but this is not
> nice way to do so.
>
> thanks

It has been answered many times on this list and one way to do it if
you don't want to remove D3lphine is to...

<snip from old mail>
Open Konqueror, click on 'Settings' > 'Configure Konqueror' > 'File
Associations' >
'inode' - select directory and system_directory and in the 'Application
preference order' list move Konqueror above Dolphin.

/ Jonas



From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 12:54:03 2008
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:54:03 -0500
Subject: Firefox and Thunderbirddo not work after update to KDE 8.10
In-Reply-To: <b91294ee0810310139r2b52548ay5d7430fcd1239724@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b91294ee0810310139r2b52548ay5d7430fcd1239724@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0811020454x3f72166ei5b2ee77c5fc77cf8@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Georgi Kourtev <gkourtev at gmail.com> wrote:

> After updating from 8..04 to 8.10 Firefox and Thunderbird are not
> working. Both programs are loaded in the task list but do not work at
> all.  Any idea as these are the main programs I use?  Thanks.
>

One very useful troubleshooting approach is to start the program from a
console.

In the K menu, Applications, Utilities, Terminal Emulator.

Then simply type "firefox".

There will probably be error messages displayed that will help.


-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
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From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 12:58:27 2008
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:58:27 -0500
Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working
In-Reply-To: <490C74A6.1060102@mail.ee>
References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<ge6n8l$k0g$1@ger.gmane.org> <490C7429.4050108@mail.ee>
	<490C74A6.1060102@mail.ee>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0811020458y754439b9mca5d594904e91fd8@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Edmund Laugasson <ed.lau at mail.ee> wrote:

> > I tried again to completely remove firefox and all its configuration
> > files and also ~/.mozilla folder but it didn't help :(
>
> I also removed xulrunner completely and after also installed back - didn't
> help.
>


I managed to solve a problem like this by downloading Firefox from Mozilla,
and installing it in /opt.

The I just changed the menu to call /opt/firefox/firefox


-- 
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From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 13:03:55 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:03:55 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580811020414k101ccca0m3d96f3c08974613@mail.gmail.com>
	<gek5ki$kcb$2@ger.gmane.org> <200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org>

Nils Kassube wrote:

> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>> >> I should say that Dolphin is a very stupid application.
> 
> That's your opinion - I know people who like dolphin.

May be some masochists, not me.

> 
>> >> So does anyone knows how to replace Dolphin with konqueror
>> >> systemwide?
>> >>
>> >> I would just remove dolphin binary and link konqueror to it, but
>> >> this is not nice way to do so.
>>
>> kde3
> 
> Remove package dolphin - not just the binary. Then Konqueror becomes the
> default file manager.
> 
> 
> Nils

Yes my opinion for good reason.

1) I Cut (CTRL+X) a directory open another dolphin window and paste.
Directory is not removed when copied.

2) I open a directory - it's always in the Icon View mode. I set to Details
and cd to another dir. It's again Icon View, I switch again to Details and
go to settings and set it there. I close dolphin. I open dolphin it's Icon
View again.
I find out it remembers settings for the current directory. If I setup
default details view for my home, which is the first one Dolphin opens it
opens in detailed view. This programmer should have at least one finger
chopped for this.

3) I don't understand why this programmer or another one did not put the up
refresh and home icons in the tool bar as it is in konqueror. Is it to far
to think. Another finger, because there is obviously no logic/brain behind
all the way it looks and works?

It's making me angry that such a half way intelligent application becomes
defaulted.
And yes, I followed the kde-user list discussion about konquerer vs.
dolphin, don't come to me with the politeness issue again please.

I've already got an useful answer to my question regards




From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 13:07:26 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:07:26 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580811020414k101ccca0m3d96f3c08974613@mail.gmail.com>
	<gek5ki$kcb$2@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811020428k5acac814x9728baf5ce6b60fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811020430x1199c9cfpc39cf3610f537855@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gek8me$kcb$4@ger.gmane.org>

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> I would also like to note that while Dolphin on KDE 3 is terrible, and
> the Dolphin in KDE 4.0 was merely bad, the Dolphin in KDE 4.1 is
> actually pretty good. So please don't let this experience spoil the
> Dolphin name for you.
> 

then why is it defaulted as file manager

what can one do to change this - nothing, right?






From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 13:13:04 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:13:04 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<b8d784880811020447k762162a3oef9b669f391fa08d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gek911$kcb$5@ger.gmane.org>

Jonas Norlander wrote:

> 2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I should say that Dolphin is a very stupid application. Some would say
>> again that I don't want to change, but I don't understand why it is my
>> default file manager and who did spent time for programming this and why.
>> It does not do some things like it should and it appears right then as
>> default, when konqueror finally started working for me. I suppose some
>> developers "intelligence" behind the scene.
>>
>> So does anyone knows how to replace Dolphin with konqueror systemwide?
>>
>> I would just remove dolphin binary and link konqueror to it, but this is
>> not nice way to do so.
>>
>> thanks
> 
> It has been answered many times on this list and one way to do it if
> you don't want to remove D3lphine is to...
> 
> <snip from old mail>
> Open Konqueror, click on 'Settings' > 'Configure Konqueror' > 'File
> Associations' >
> 'inode' - select directory and system_directory and in the 'Application
> preference order' list move Konqueror above Dolphin.
> 
> / Jonas

Thanks for the answer. It works. Now I press the desktop (Home) icon and
konqueror starts and complains 

Internal error. Can not find parent element file:///home/emanoil in the tree

or something similar (I have non EN localisation)

what is the problem with it. I mean it starts with my $HOME opened but I
would say that the default setting is dolphin related?

Thanks again

regards




From kassube at gmx.net  Sun Nov  2 13:47:23 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:47:23 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>
	<gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> 3) I don't understand why this programmer or another one did not put
> the up refresh and home icons in the tool bar as it is in konqueror. Is
> it to far to think. Another finger, because there is obviously no
> logic/brain behind all the way it looks and works?
>
> It's making me angry that such a half way intelligent application
> becomes defaulted.
> And yes, I followed the kde-user list discussion about konquerer vs.
> dolphin, don't come to me with the politeness issue again please.

If you refuse to be polite, please don't post. I do understand that you 
don't like the KDE3 dolphin but I think this is not the right place for 
your rant. None of the developers will listen here. After all you are not 
forced to use dolphin, so just remove the package or use the solution 
Jonas suggested.


Nils



From jonorland at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 13:49:35 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:49:35 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gek911$kcb$5@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<b8d784880811020447k762162a3oef9b669f391fa08d@mail.gmail.com>
	<gek911$kcb$5@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811020549h49117125rb464052b5db8c75c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
> Jonas Norlander wrote:
>
>> 2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I should say that Dolphin is a very stupid application. Some would say
>>> again that I don't want to change, but I don't understand why it is my
>>> default file manager and who did spent time for programming this and why.
>>> It does not do some things like it should and it appears right then as
>>> default, when konqueror finally started working for me. I suppose some
>>> developers "intelligence" behind the scene.
>>>
>>> So does anyone knows how to replace Dolphin with konqueror systemwide?
>>>
>>> I would just remove dolphin binary and link konqueror to it, but this is
>>> not nice way to do so.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>
>> It has been answered many times on this list and one way to do it if
>> you don't want to remove D3lphine is to...
>>
>> <snip from old mail>
>> Open Konqueror, click on 'Settings' > 'Configure Konqueror' > 'File
>> Associations' >
>> 'inode' - select directory and system_directory and in the 'Application
>> preference order' list move Konqueror above Dolphin.
>>
>> / Jonas
>
> Thanks for the answer. It works. Now I press the desktop (Home) icon and
> konqueror starts and complains
>
> Internal error. Can not find parent element file:///home/emanoil in the tree
>
> or something similar (I have non EN localisation)
>
> what is the problem with it. I mean it starts with my $HOME opened but I
> would say that the default setting is dolphin related?
>
> Thanks again
>

I have no answer for that. For me it worked with the above settings
and with no errors.

/ Jonas



From d.mcglone at att.net  Sun Nov  2 13:52:45 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:52:45 -0500
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811020852.50617.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Saturday 01 November 2008 6:52:49 am Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can download adobe flash 9? I want to see if it
> improves my konqueror embedded flash experience, which is currently non-
> functional :)

Lindsay, I had the same problem. Here is a link to the archived flash players. 
download the version 9 archive and when you unzip it you will get a couple of 
different versions, 9r48 is the one that works for me the best.

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_14266

-- 
David M.
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From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 13:54:18 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:54:18 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>
	<gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org> <200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>

Nils Kassube wrote:

> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>> 3) I don't understand why this programmer or another one did not put
>> the up refresh and home icons in the tool bar as it is in konqueror. Is
>> it to far to think. Another finger, because there is obviously no
>> logic/brain behind all the way it looks and works?
>>
>> It's making me angry that such a half way intelligent application
>> becomes defaulted.
>> And yes, I followed the kde-user list discussion about konquerer vs.
>> dolphin, don't come to me with the politeness issue again please.
> 
> If you refuse to be polite, please don't post. I do understand that you
> don't like the KDE3 dolphin but I think this is not the right place for
> your rant. None of the developers will listen here. After all you are not
> forced to use dolphin, so just remove the package or use the solution
> Jonas suggested.
> 
> 
> Nils

Yes, sir :-)

I don't refuse to be polite. Also I think I have the right to post my
opinion, here if I want everybody to read it.
If developers want they can read it too.

I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say they
are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?

Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid into
the opposite.

regards




From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk  Sun Nov  2 13:59:46 2008
From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:59:46 +0000
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>	<gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net> <gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <490DB252.3020100@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk>


> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid into
> the opposite.

Being downright rude is even less likely to change anything.



From kassube at gmx.net  Sun Nov  2 14:20:44 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:20:44 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>
	<gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811021520.44824.kassube@gmx.net>

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
> > Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> >> 3) I don't understand why this programmer or another one did not put
> >> the up refresh and home icons in the tool bar as it is in konqueror.
> >> Is it to far to think. Another finger, because there is obviously no
> >> logic/brain behind all the way it looks and works?
> >>
> >> It's making me angry that such a half way intelligent application
> >> becomes defaulted.
> >> And yes, I followed the kde-user list discussion about konquerer vs.
> >> dolphin, don't come to me with the politeness issue again please.
> >
> > If you refuse to be polite, please don't post. I do understand that
> > you don't like the KDE3 dolphin but I think this is not the right
> > place for your rant. None of the developers will listen here. After
> > all you are not forced to use dolphin, so just remove the package or
> > use the solution Jonas suggested.
>
> I don't refuse to be polite.

Well, the way you wrote it suggested to me that you don't want to be 
polite. Good to read that was not your intention.

> Also I think I have the right to post my 
> opinion, here if I want everybody to read it.

Sure you have the right to post here. However you could voice your opinion 
a bit nicer, e.g. without questioning the sanity of the programmers.

> I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say
> they are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?

I suppose that is true.

> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid
> into the opposite.

Being impolite doesn't help either. You won't change anything at all 
because KDE 3.5 will not be used for any new version of Kubuntu. And the 
behaviour of the existing version will not be changed. I think you are 
about 9 months late with your complaint.


Nils



From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 14:24:03 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:24:03 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>	<gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net> <gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<490DB252.3020100@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <gekd63$6t8$2@ger.gmane.org>

Chris Jones wrote:

> 
>> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid
>> into the opposite.
> 
> Being downright rude is even less likely to change anything.

obviously we have different point of view what rude means.

calling something stupid, if it's stupid, means telling the truth.
can you live with it? I can.
It's my subjective truth, but I think others can agree, so turns to be
somehow objective.

Also politeness does not have to do with how I describe an application which
is set to be default and doesn't work quite well, so I spend time to look
how to change it.

I also don't understand what is insulting all of you, who wrote to me
regarding the way I see the dolphin app. It's itself is stupid and even
worse is that it's defaulted and installed automatically, so you or the
people who did it should apologise not me. Further it's worth to discuss if
it can be changes, which I don't think can be done, so please stay on topic
and stop boring me with this politeness nonsense. It's too late to change
the way I see the world and mostly I stand for what I say. This means when
I say something is stupid it really is at least for me, if you like it or
not.

regards





From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 14:30:03 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:30:03 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>
	<gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021520.44824.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <gekdhb$6t8$3@ger.gmane.org>

Nils Kassube wrote:

> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>> Nils Kassube wrote:
>> > Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>> >> 3) I don't understand why this programmer or another one did not put
>> >> the up refresh and home icons in the tool bar as it is in konqueror.
>> >> Is it to far to think. Another finger, because there is obviously no
>> >> logic/brain behind all the way it looks and works?
>> >>
>> >> It's making me angry that such a half way intelligent application
>> >> becomes defaulted.
>> >> And yes, I followed the kde-user list discussion about konquerer vs.
>> >> dolphin, don't come to me with the politeness issue again please.
>> >
>> > If you refuse to be polite, please don't post. I do understand that
>> > you don't like the KDE3 dolphin but I think this is not the right
>> > place for your rant. None of the developers will listen here. After
>> > all you are not forced to use dolphin, so just remove the package or
>> > use the solution Jonas suggested.
>>
>> I don't refuse to be polite.
> 
> Well, the way you wrote it suggested to me that you don't want to be
> polite. Good to read that was not your intention.
> 
>> Also I think I have the right to post my
>> opinion, here if I want everybody to read it.
> 
> Sure you have the right to post here. However you could voice your opinion
> a bit nicer, e.g. without questioning the sanity of the programmers.

They should ask the question themselves I would suggest! And it is not the
programmers but how things are broth to the public.

> 
>> I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say
>> they are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?
> 
> I suppose that is true.
> 
>> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid
>> into the opposite.
> 
> Being impolite doesn't help either. You won't change anything at all
> because KDE 3.5 will not be used for any new version of Kubuntu. And the
> behaviour of the existing version will not be changed. I think you are
> about 9 months late with your complaint.

Come on, what means impolite? It's just an example for how things are done
to disadvantage the user (me in this case).
I've said before that I don't want to test new things unless I explicitly
agree and this is also an example how developers and packagers force users.

So who is impolite I'm asking myself. The people who let it be defaulted in
kde, the people who put it in kubuntu, you who are telling me not to say
things that are obviously true, or me who is impacted at the end.

I think we can discuss too long this issue, but I hope I made myself clear
what I mean and expect.

regards




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 15:02:31 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:02:31 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580811020414k101ccca0m3d96f3c08974613@mail.gmail.com>
	<gek5ki$kcb$2@ger.gmane.org> <200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>
	<gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <880dece00811020702s6fe3e3a1m9c747db3dfecc5c5@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
> Yes my opinion for good reason.
>
> 1) I Cut (CTRL+X) a directory open another dolphin window and paste.
> Directory is not removed when copied.
>

Not present in current Dolphin.

> 2) I open a directory - it's always in the Icon View mode. I set to Details
> and cd to another dir. It's again Icon View, I switch again to Details and
> go to settings and set it there. I close dolphin. I open dolphin it's Icon
> View again.
> I find out it remembers settings for the current directory. If I setup
> default details view for my home, which is the first one Dolphin opens it
> opens in detailed view. This programmer should have at least one finger
> chopped for this.
>

Configurable in current Dolphin.

> 3) I don't understand why this programmer or another one did not put the up
> refresh and home icons in the tool bar as it is in konqueror. Is it to far
> to think. Another finger, because there is obviously no logic/brain behind
> all the way it looks and works?
>

Home is present in current Dolphin, Up can be added easily.

> It's making me angry that such a half way intelligent application becomes
> defaulted.

That was actually the purpose of d3lphin- to try new things and see
how they would be accepted for use (or not) in Dolphin. As such, it
was an annoying app. Thank you for you comments and as you see, those
issues were addressed in the current Dolphin.

> And yes, I followed the kde-user list discussion about konquerer vs.
> dolphin, don't come to me with the politeness issue again please.
>

Emanoil, please don't start being rude on *nix lists. We are all here
to help each other.

> I've already got an useful answer to my question regards
>

Right.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 15:04:39 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:04:39 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gek8me$kcb$4@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580811020414k101ccca0m3d96f3c08974613@mail.gmail.com>
	<gek5ki$kcb$2@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811020428k5acac814x9728baf5ce6b60fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811020430x1199c9cfpc39cf3610f537855@mail.gmail.com>
	<gek8me$kcb$4@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <880dece00811020704i2e2dc83bgb902ed9fdf51e258@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>> I would also like to note that while Dolphin on KDE 3 is terrible, and
>> the Dolphin in KDE 4.0 was merely bad, the Dolphin in KDE 4.1 is
>> actually pretty good. So please don't let this experience spoil the
>> Dolphin name for you.
>>
>
> then why is it defaulted as file manager
>

That was a Kubuntu decision, not a KDE decision. A wrong decision in
my opinion, like including KDE 4.x by default in Kubuntu 8.10 (and
worse, saving settings in ~/.kde as opposed to ~/.kde4).

> what can one do to change this - nothing, right?
>

You can configure a different file manager or uninstall it, like we just did.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 15:05:23 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:05:23 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gekdhb$6t8$3@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>	<gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021520.44824.kassube@gmx.net> <gekdhb$6t8$3@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <490DC1B3.4030303@gmail.com>

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
> 
>> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>>> Nils Kassube wrote:
>>>> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>>>>> 3) I don't understand why this programmer or another one did not put
>>>>> the up refresh and home icons in the tool bar as it is in konqueror.
>>>>> Is it to far to think. Another finger, because there is obviously no
>>>>> logic/brain behind all the way it looks and works?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's making me angry that such a half way intelligent application
>>>>> becomes defaulted.
>>>>> And yes, I followed the kde-user list discussion about konquerer vs.
>>>>> dolphin, don't come to me with the politeness issue again please.
>>>> If you refuse to be polite, please don't post. I do understand that
>>>> you don't like the KDE3 dolphin but I think this is not the right
>>>> place for your rant. None of the developers will listen here. After
>>>> all you are not forced to use dolphin, so just remove the package or
>>>> use the solution Jonas suggested.
>>> I don't refuse to be polite.
>> Well, the way you wrote it suggested to me that you don't want to be
>> polite. Good to read that was not your intention.
>>
>>> Also I think I have the right to post my
>>> opinion, here if I want everybody to read it.
>> Sure you have the right to post here. However you could voice your opinion
>> a bit nicer, e.g. without questioning the sanity of the programmers.
> 
> They should ask the question themselves I would suggest! And it is not the
> programmers but how things are broth to the public.
> 
>>> I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say
>>> they are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?
>> I suppose that is true.
>>
>>> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid
>>> into the opposite.
>> Being impolite doesn't help either. You won't change anything at all
>> because KDE 3.5 will not be used for any new version of Kubuntu. And the
>> behaviour of the existing version will not be changed. I think you are
>> about 9 months late with your complaint.
> 
> Come on, what means impolite? It's just an example for how things are done
> to disadvantage the user (me in this case).
> I've said before that I don't want to test new things unless I explicitly
> agree and this is also an example how developers and packagers force users.
> 
> So who is impolite I'm asking myself. The people who let it be defaulted in
> kde, the people who put it in kubuntu, you who are telling me not to say
> things that are obviously true, or me who is impacted at the end.
> 
> I think we can discuss too long this issue, but I hope I made myself clear
> what I mean and expect.
> 
> regards
> 
> 

can you ALL please stop this nonsense? more than 15 emails of absolute
rubbish cluttering my inbox, with none talking about kubuntu, KDE or
even computers, solve your politeness questions somewhere else!
rant about the subject till your fingers become numb of typing, till you
lose your voice from screaming, till your PC is tired of all this
ranting, YOU ARE DOING NOTHING! this will not change dolphin, nor will
it do you any good, so PLEASE stop this ranting. you don't like it, go
join the KDE development team, go join the KDE mailing list, somewhere
where KDE developers will hear you ranting, and spare me this spamming
of my inbox!

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 15:06:34 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:06:34 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gek911$kcb$5@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<b8d784880811020447k762162a3oef9b669f391fa08d@mail.gmail.com>
	<gek911$kcb$5@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <880dece00811020706p3790a535o23540941ebe77afe@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
> Thanks for the answer. It works. Now I press the desktop (Home) icon and
> konqueror starts and complains
>
> Internal error. Can not find parent element file:///home/emanoil in the tree
>
> or something similar (I have non EN localisation)
>
> what is the problem with it. I mean it starts with my $HOME opened but I
> would say that the default setting is dolphin related?
>
> Thanks again
>

I forgot about that, I had that too. I simply reset the panel icon to
"konqueror ~" and it works (opens ~).

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 15:10:36 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:10:36 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>
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	<gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
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2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
> Yes, sir :-)
>
> I don't refuse to be polite. Also I think I have the right to post my
> opinion, here if I want everybody to read it.
> If developers want they can read it too.
>

You opinion is valuable to me, as I try to bridge between KDE and
kubuntu-users (and other lists) by filing bugs. Lots of them. But I
will not help someone who is rude. Just last week there was a similar
incident on the opensuse list.

> I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say they
> are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?
>

No, but for the wrong reasons. That was not a developer's issue. When
in doubt, you can ask here or contact me.

> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid into
> the opposite.
>

Dolphin is a revolutionary product, much like KDE 4. That is why early
versions were so annoying. Wait until you get the Dolphin that is now
in Trunk. It's already replaced Konqueror on my KDE 4 systems and I
love it. I never thought that I would say that when I was using
d3lphin (which is _not_ Dolphin, by the way) and early Dolphin builds.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 15:12:30 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:12:30 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gekd63$6t8$2@ger.gmane.org>
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2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
> Chris Jones wrote:
>
>>
>>> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid
>>> into the opposite.
>>
>> Being downright rude is even less likely to change anything.
>
> obviously we have different point of view what rude means.
>
> calling something stupid, if it's stupid, means telling the truth.
> can you live with it? I can.
> It's my subjective truth, but I think others can agree, so turns to be
> somehow objective.
>
> Also politeness does not have to do with how I describe an application which
> is set to be default and doesn't work quite well, so I spend time to look
> how to change it.
>
> I also don't understand what is insulting all of you, who wrote to me
> regarding the way I see the dolphin app. It's itself is stupid and even
> worse is that it's defaulted and installed automatically, so you or the
> people who did it should apologise not me. Further it's worth to discuss if
> it can be changes, which I don't think can be done, so please stay on topic
> and stop boring me with this politeness nonsense. It's too late to change
> the way I see the world and mostly I stand for what I say. This means when
> I say something is stupid it really is at least for me, if you like it or
> not.
>

Emanoil, the problem is that your criticism is not constructive when
you call a program 'stupid'. When you list the problem that you have
or the features that you do not like, _that_ is constructive and very
much appreciated.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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http://gibberish.co.il
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From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 15:26:43 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:26:43 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
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Dotan Cohen wrote:

> 2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
>> Yes, sir :-)
>>
>> I don't refuse to be polite. Also I think I have the right to post my
>> opinion, here if I want everybody to read it.
>> If developers want they can read it too.
>>
> 
> You opinion is valuable to me, as I try to bridge between KDE and
> kubuntu-users (and other lists) by filing bugs. Lots of them. But I
> will not help someone who is rude. Just last week there was a similar
> incident on the opensuse list.

First thanks for explaining. Second I don't agree I'm rude.

> 
>> I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say
>> they are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?
>>
> 
> No, but for the wrong reasons. That was not a developer's issue. When
> in doubt, you can ask here or contact me.

I am complaining about the facts, whoever the reason is for this, it's
_stupid_ decision. I can not do anything about qualifying something stupid
if it's really stupid. How do you call something that's red - green?

> 
>> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid
>> into the opposite.
>>
> 
> Dolphin is a revolutionary product, much like KDE 4. That is why early
> versions were so annoying. Wait until you get the Dolphin that is now
> in Trunk. It's already replaced Konqueror on my KDE 4 systems and I
> love it. I never thought that I would say that when I was using
> d3lphin (which is _not_ Dolphin, by the way) and early Dolphin builds.
> 

Might be so, but not the think I have trying to get used to for the last few
weeks.
Besides when I start the app it says "dolphin" the package may be called
d3lphin or whatever, but the way it presents it self is dolphin.

Please try to bridge then my opinion, that I don't want to have such changes
like when konquerer has been the default filemanager in kde3 at once
another app is becoming default filemanager. Also the way doing it is not
pretty user friendly, so why a user should be friendly?
This is what I call stupid, and I'm sorry for this but it really is very
_stupid_.

Everybody should now know that dolphin should be _removed_ after installing
kubuntu 8.04. This was my primary intention and the reasons and discussion
we had so far do prove this.

Thanks and kind regards




From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 15:31:00 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:31:00 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
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	<b8d784880811020447k762162a3oef9b669f391fa08d@mail.gmail.com>
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Dotan Cohen wrote:

> 2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
>> Thanks for the answer. It works. Now I press the desktop (Home) icon and
>> konqueror starts and complains
>>
>> Internal error. Can not find parent element file:///home/emanoil in the
>> tree
>>
>> or something similar (I have non EN localisation)
>>
>> what is the problem with it. I mean it starts with my $HOME opened but I
>> would say that the default setting is dolphin related?
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
> 
> I forgot about that, I had that too. I simply reset the panel icon to
> "konqueror ~" and it works (opens ~).
> 

thanks this solved the last issue with it. Unfortunately the panel Icon has
only an Address field. when I selected my $HOME there it worked.

I also rebooted, so not quite sure if the update or the reboot did the job
for me. Now it opens konqueror without complaining.

thanks for the solution and kind regards






From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk  Sun Nov  2 15:37:44 2008
From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:37:44 +0000
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
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> obviously we have different point of view what rude means.

Yes. I think suggesting the author of an application, no matter how bad
you think it is, should have their fingers cut off, is quite rude.

Chris



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 15:38:44 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:38:44 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gekh3k$lca$2@ger.gmane.org>
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2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
> thanks this solved the last issue with it. Unfortunately the panel Icon has
> only an Address field. when I selected my $HOME there it worked.
>
> I also rebooted, so not quite sure if the update or the reboot did the job
> for me. Now it opens konqueror without complaining.
>
> thanks for the solution and kind regards
>

Very good. Have a great week!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 15:38:12 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:38:12 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gekgrj$lca$1@ger.gmane.org>
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2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>> 2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
>>> Yes, sir :-)
>>>
>>> I don't refuse to be polite. Also I think I have the right to post my
>>> opinion, here if I want everybody to read it.
>>> If developers want they can read it too.
>>>
>>
>> You opinion is valuable to me, as I try to bridge between KDE and
>> kubuntu-users (and other lists) by filing bugs. Lots of them. But I
>> will not help someone who is rude. Just last week there was a similar
>> incident on the opensuse list.
>
> First thanks for explaining. Second I don't agree I'm rude.
>
>>
>>> I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say
>>> they are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?
>>>
>>
>> No, but for the wrong reasons. That was not a developer's issue. When
>> in doubt, you can ask here or contact me.
>
> I am complaining about the facts, whoever the reason is for this, it's
> _stupid_ decision. I can not do anything about qualifying something stupid
> if it's really stupid. How do you call something that's red - green?
>
>>
>>> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid
>>> into the opposite.
>>>
>>
>> Dolphin is a revolutionary product, much like KDE 4. That is why early
>> versions were so annoying. Wait until you get the Dolphin that is now
>> in Trunk. It's already replaced Konqueror on my KDE 4 systems and I
>> love it. I never thought that I would say that when I was using
>> d3lphin (which is _not_ Dolphin, by the way) and early Dolphin builds.
>>
>
> Might be so, but not the think I have trying to get used to for the last few
> weeks.
> Besides when I start the app it says "dolphin" the package may be called
> d3lphin or whatever, but the way it presents it self is dolphin.
>
> Please try to bridge then my opinion, that I don't want to have such changes
> like when konquerer has been the default filemanager in kde3 at once
> another app is becoming default filemanager. Also the way doing it is not
> pretty user friendly, so why a user should be friendly?
> This is what I call stupid, and I'm sorry for this but it really is very
> _stupid_.
>
> Everybody should now know that dolphin should be _removed_ after installing
> kubuntu 8.04. This was my primary intention and the reasons and discussion
> we had so far do prove this.
>
> Thanks and kind regards
>

I do not know in what language you arrange your thoughts (I arrange my
thoughts not in English as well), but the word 'stupid' here is not
translating well. What is a stupid app?

I think the use of the word stupid is the reason for your perceived
rudeness. To tell you the truth, Emanoil, I did not think that you
were deliberately rude. But using unconstructive, ill-defined terms
such as stupid, could be perceived as rude. Furthermore, suggesting
that the programmer should have his fingers cut off _is_ rude. The
developer in question is named Peter Penz, you can check that by
clicking Help -> About. That is a human being that coded Dolphin, not
an team of developers without a face at Microsoft. Would you really
want Peter to come across a message that he should have his fingers
cut off?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Sun Nov  2 16:10:19 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:10:19 -0400
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
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On Sunday 02 November 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I would also like to note that while Dolphin on KDE 3 is terrible, and
> the Dolphin in KDE 4.0 was merely bad, the Dolphin in KDE 4.1 is
> actually pretty good. So please don't let this experience spoil the
> Dolphin name for you.

If you don't mind the serious slowness of doing...anything.




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 17:02:28 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:02:28 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811020738q505cf387t56d5f2eb22ec375a@mail.gmail.com>
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> Would you really want Peter to come across a message that he should have his fingers
> cut off?
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen

Cutting off a programmer's fingers might be painful but I am not so
sure it is rude.

Webster:

1 a: being in a rough or unfinished state : crude <rude line
illustrations> b: natural  , raw <rude cotton> c: primitive  ,
undeveloped <peasants use rude wooden plows — Jack Raymond> d: simple
, elemental <landscape done in rude whites, blacks, deep browns —
Richard Harris

2: lacking refinement or delicacy: a: ignorant  , unlearned b:
inelegant  , uncouth c: offensive in manner or action : discourteous
d: uncivilized  , savage e: coarse  , vulgar

3: marked by or suggestive of lack of training or skill :
inexperienced <rude workmanship>

4: robust  , sturdy <in rude health>

5: occurring abruptly and disconcertingly <a rude awakening>

AH, so it is rude. :-)
As per 2, but it is true as per 1 and 3 in his opinion (and mine as
8.10 version.).

Cohen, why did they write Dolphine? I mean what was really wrong with Konqueror?

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page

From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sun Nov  2 17:04:03 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:04:03 -0600
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
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On 11/02/2008 Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>  I also don't understand what is insulting all of you, who wrote to me
>  regarding the way I see the dolphin app.

That's part of the point. It's how _you_ see it. Your opinion, and your 
certainly welcome to have it. However, there are other people that use 
it and like it for what it does well.

In one e-mail you mention not moving files properly. I use it to 
move/copy files from one directory to another and from one computer to 
another all the time and never have the problem you mention [ 
8.04/3.5.10 ]. I open Dolphin, navigate to where I want to be, switch to 
split screen mode, navigate that to where I want it, and drag files from 
one side to the other.

You also mention being stuck in icon view. Mine isn't. I _think_ I used 
View > View Mode to set it to details. There's also a setting in the 
preferences to set Dolphin to remember each directories view settings so 
you can have different views for different directories.

I also like the fact that I can generally use Dolphin to open a terminal 
window already in the directory I want it in rather than having to 
navigate from the default opening point.

>  It's itself is stupid and
>  even
>  worse is that it's defaulted and installed automatically, so you or
>  the
>  people who did it should apologise not me. Further it's worth to
>  discuss if
>  it can be changes, which I don't think can be done, so please stay on
>  topic
>  and stop boring me with this politeness nonsense. It's too late to
>  change
>  the way I see the world and mostly I stand for what I say.

It's never to late to change. One _can_ teach an old dog a new trick.

>  This means
>  when
>  I say something is stupid it really is at least for me, if you like
>  it or
>  not.
>
>  regards

Dolphin is _not_ perfect, but it does do some things extremely well. I 
_really_ got serious about moving to Linux just before Dolphin made it's 
appearance on the scene. I guess I started using Dolphin without to many 
pre-conceived notions. In a sense we have sort of grown up together.

AND, for those things that Dolphin doesn't do well there's Konqueror, 
the Swiss Army Knife of KDE.

-- 
Opinions are like A___holes, everybody has one.
Often they stink.

Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.





From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 17:04:27 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:04:27 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
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Dotan Cohen wrote:

> 2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>>> 2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
>>>> Yes, sir :-)
>>>>
>>>> I don't refuse to be polite. Also I think I have the right to post my
>>>> opinion, here if I want everybody to read it.
>>>> If developers want they can read it too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You opinion is valuable to me, as I try to bridge between KDE and
>>> kubuntu-users (and other lists) by filing bugs. Lots of them. But I
>>> will not help someone who is rude. Just last week there was a similar
>>> incident on the opensuse list.
>>
>> First thanks for explaining. Second I don't agree I'm rude.
>>
>>>
>>>> I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say
>>>> they are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, but for the wrong reasons. That was not a developer's issue. When
>>> in doubt, you can ask here or contact me.
>>
>> I am complaining about the facts, whoever the reason is for this, it's
>> _stupid_ decision. I can not do anything about qualifying something
>> stupid if it's really stupid. How do you call something that's red -
>> green?
>>
>>>
>>>> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid
>>>> into the opposite.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dolphin is a revolutionary product, much like KDE 4. That is why early
>>> versions were so annoying. Wait until you get the Dolphin that is now
>>> in Trunk. It's already replaced Konqueror on my KDE 4 systems and I
>>> love it. I never thought that I would say that when I was using
>>> d3lphin (which is _not_ Dolphin, by the way) and early Dolphin builds.
>>>
>>
>> Might be so, but not the think I have trying to get used to for the last
>> few weeks.
>> Besides when I start the app it says "dolphin" the package may be called
>> d3lphin or whatever, but the way it presents it self is dolphin.
>>
>> Please try to bridge then my opinion, that I don't want to have such
>> changes like when konquerer has been the default filemanager in kde3 at
>> once another app is becoming default filemanager. Also the way doing it
>> is not pretty user friendly, so why a user should be friendly?
>> This is what I call stupid, and I'm sorry for this but it really is very
>> _stupid_.
>>
>> Everybody should now know that dolphin should be _removed_ after
>> installing kubuntu 8.04. This was my primary intention and the reasons
>> and discussion we had so far do prove this.
>>
>> Thanks and kind regards
>>
> 
> I do not know in what language you arrange your thoughts (I arrange my
> thoughts not in English as well), but the word 'stupid' here is not
> translating well. What is a stupid app?
> 
> I think the use of the word stupid is the reason for your perceived
> rudeness. To tell you the truth, Emanoil, I did not think that you
> were deliberately rude. But using unconstructive, ill-defined terms
> such as stupid, could be perceived as rude. Furthermore, suggesting
> that the programmer should have his fingers cut off _is_ rude. The
> developer in question is named Peter Penz, you can check that by
> clicking Help -> About. That is a human being that coded Dolphin, not
> an team of developers without a face at Microsoft. Would you really
> want Peter to come across a message that he should have his fingers
> cut off?
> 

Now I don't face the developer but the kubuntu guys who put it into the
distro. And yes, if a developer makes such a software, it's better for him
to keep this software at home on his own PC. Please stop defending
stupidity.

And yes suggesting to cut somebodies finger is rude, but obviously they
don't have brain to be amputated.

And suggesting this is less worse then putting this in a distro that will
affect much more people, so expressing something rude is nothing compared
to the peoples attitude to users. I think this is worse then what I said.

I'm sorry for Peter Penz and his fingers. The next time he should pay more
attention. For me he lost some of them for good reason and the people who
decided to put it into kubuntu 8.04 are even more evil and should be
punished harder ;-).

this virtual punishment you can look at as constructive criticism and not as
being rude. Obviously you take me too literally, but you are missing the
fact that in reality what those people do is _not_ user friendly.

regards




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov  2 17:03:57 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:03:57 -0400
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>
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Emanoil Kotsev wrote:

> Nils Kassube wrote:
> 
>> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
...
>>> It's making me angry that such a half way intelligent application
>>> becomes defaulted.
>>> And yes, I followed the kde-user list discussion about konquerer vs.
>>> dolphin, don't come to me with the politeness issue again please.
>> 
> 
> I don't refuse to be polite. 

It certainly looks like that's what you said.

> Also I think I have the right to post my opinion, here if I want everybody
> to read it. 

Of course you do, but there's very few people here who are going to disagree
with you.  We've heard it all before.

> If developers want they can read it too. 

But they DON'T want.  So there's no point to posting here just so that
developers can read it, because they won't.
> 
> I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say
> they are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?

Probably.  In any case if you call it "a half way intelligent application"
they're pretty sure not to care about your opinion.

> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid into
> the opposite.

otoh, not being polite will certainly get you ignored by those who matter.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov  2 17:07:24 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:07:24 -0400
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>	<gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org>
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Emanoil Kotsev wrote:

> calling something stupid, if it's stupid, means telling the truth.
> can you live with it? I can.

We're back to philology.  Calling a _program_ stupid, in English, is a
criticism of the programmer - because a program is not capable of being
stupid, so it must be the person who wrote it.

> Also politeness does not have to do with how I describe an application
> which is set to be default and doesn't work quite well, so I spend time to
> look how to change it.

> I also don't understand what is insulting all of you, who wrote to me
> regarding the way I see the dolphin app. 

That's the point - you're _not_ insulting any of us, you're insulting the
people who can do something about it, and they're not here.

> This 
> means when I say something is stupid it really is at least for me, if you
> like it or not.

Well, that's not just impolite, it's arrogant.
<plonk>
-- 
derek




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 17:10:33 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:10:33 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811020902v231f0d06xbd58199ac15954d4@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/11/2 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>> Would you really want Peter to come across a message that he should have his fingers
>> cut off?
>>
>> --
>> Dotan Cohen
>
> Cutting off a programmer's fingers might be painful but I am not so
> sure it is rude.
>

But suggesting that it be done is.

> Cohen, why did they write Dolphine? I mean what was really wrong with Konqueror?
>

Konqueror was being focused as a web browser. A separate file manager
was needed. D3lphin was a rough draft. But wait for KDE 4.2 before
making judgment on Dolphin. Trust me. I personally hated d3lphin and
swore it up and down. But Dolphin in it's current form is easy to use,
it is fast, and it has so many 'little features' that after using it
on a test system for a few hours I don't want to live without it. I am
seriously considering upgrading my daily driver to KDE 4 just for the
Dolphin in Trunk.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 17:12:17 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:12:17 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gekmir$67u$1@ger.gmane.org>
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2008/11/2 Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes at yahoo.com>:
> Now I don't face the developer but the kubuntu guys who put it into the
> distro. And yes, if a developer makes such a software, it's better for him
> to keep this software at home on his own PC. Please stop defending
> stupidity.
>

You keep using that word. I do not think that it means what you think it means.

> And yes suggesting to cut somebodies finger is rude, but obviously they
> don't have brain to be amputated.
>

That's it, conversation over.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 17:14:35 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:14:35 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
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Knapp wrote:

>> Would you really want Peter to come across a message that he should have
>> his fingers cut off?
>>
>> --
>> Dotan Cohen
> 
> Cutting off a programmer's fingers might be painful but I am not so
> sure it is rude.
> 
> Webster:
> 
> 1 a: being in a rough or unfinished state : crude <rude line
> illustrations> b: natural  , raw <rude cotton> c: primitive  ,
> undeveloped <peasants use rude wooden plows — Jack Raymond> d: simple
> , elemental <landscape done in rude whites, blacks, deep browns —
> Richard Harris
> 
> 2: lacking refinement or delicacy: a: ignorant  , unlearned b:
> inelegant  , uncouth c: offensive in manner or action : discourteous
> d: uncivilized  , savage e: coarse  , vulgar
> 
> 3: marked by or suggestive of lack of training or skill :
> inexperienced <rude workmanship>
> 
> 4: robust  , sturdy <in rude health>
> 
> 5: occurring abruptly and disconcertingly <a rude awakening>
> 
> AH, so it is rude. :-)
> As per 2, but it is true as per 1 and 3 in his opinion (and mine as
> 8.10 version.).
> 
> Cohen, why did they write Dolphine? I mean what was really wrong with
> Konqueror?
> 

Knapp, there was  a long discussion in the kde-user list as far as I
remember, where the pro's and contras has been discussed. I also remember
watching a youtube presentation about dolphin.

I don't mind writing a crappy program for whatever reason they want to, but
putting it into a distro where it has nothing to do and making it default
deserves much more rude language and action than what I'm actually saying
here.

In the discussion it was said finally who's the reason for this - the
kubuntu team. 
Please guys _do_ learn from your mistakes. I accept your apologies in
advance.
If they don't read this list, please someone tell them, because I'm
obviously too rude to do so ;-)

regards




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov  2 17:13:11 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:13:11 -0400
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>
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Knapp wrote:

>> Would you really want Peter to come across a message that he should have
>> his fingers cut off?
> 
> Cutting off a programmer's fingers might be painful but I am not so
> sure it is rude.

The act is not rude, it's criminal (and such a mail could be prosecuted
here).  Suggesting it is definitely rude.
 
> Cohen, why did they write Dolphine? I mean what was really wrong with
> Konqueror?
 
What was really wrong with konqueror was that it the file manager part was
completely stagnant - I'm not sure anybody was working on it.  So Dolphin
was started to provide a first-class file manager.  It was certainly
introduced too soon to Kubuntu.
-- 
derek




From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 17:23:58 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:23:58 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<200811021335.05400.kassube@gmx.net>	<gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org>	<200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>
	<gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>	<490DB252.3020100@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk>
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Billie Walsh wrote:

> On 11/02/2008 Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>>  I also don't understand what is insulting all of you, who wrote to me
>>  regarding the way I see the dolphin app.
> 
> That's part of the point. It's how _you_ see it. Your opinion, and your
> certainly welcome to have it. However, there are other people that use
> it and like it for what it does well.
> 
> In one e-mail you mention not moving files properly. I use it to
> move/copy files from one directory to another and from one computer to
> another all the time and never have the problem you mention [
> 8.04/3.5.10 ]. I open Dolphin, navigate to where I want to be, switch to
> split screen mode, navigate that to where I want it, and drag files from
> one side to the other.
> 
> You also mention being stuck in icon view. Mine isn't. I _think_ I used
> View > View Mode to set it to details. There's also a setting in the
> preferences to set Dolphin to remember each directories view settings so
> you can have different views for different directories.
> 
> I also like the fact that I can generally use Dolphin to open a terminal
> window already in the directory I want it in rather than having to
> navigate from the default opening point.
> 
>>  It's itself is stupid and
>>  even
>>  worse is that it's defaulted and installed automatically, so you or
>>  the
>>  people who did it should apologise not me. Further it's worth to
>>  discuss if
>>  it can be changes, which I don't think can be done, so please stay on
>>  topic
>>  and stop boring me with this politeness nonsense. It's too late to
>>  change
>>  the way I see the world and mostly I stand for what I say.
> 
> It's never to late to change. One _can_ teach an old dog a new trick.
> 
>>  This means
>>  when
>>  I say something is stupid it really is at least for me, if you like
>>  it or
>>  not.
>>
>>  regards
> 
> Dolphin is _not_ perfect, but it does do some things extremely well. I
> _really_ got serious about moving to Linux just before Dolphin made it's
> appearance on the scene. I guess I started using Dolphin without to many
> pre-conceived notions. In a sense we have sort of grown up together.
> 
> AND, for those things that Dolphin doesn't do well there's Konqueror,
> the Swiss Army Knife of KDE.
> 

thank you for your arguments pro dolphin, for me after using it for more
than a month it proved to be _stupid_ as I said.
So if it works for you I'm glad for you, for me it doesn't.

The thing with the split view is new to me, I admit, but any way I still do
not agree that someone should decide to set it be my default file manager
without asking me, above all in a distro version (kde3.5.9) that has been
working fine with konqueror. I wouldn't be _rude_ if it has happened in
kde4.

This is mostly what makes me angry.

regards




From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 17:29:04 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:29:04 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
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Derek Broughton wrote:

> Knapp wrote:
> 
>>> Would you really want Peter to come across a message that he should have
>>> his fingers cut off?
>> 
>> Cutting off a programmer's fingers might be painful but I am not so
>> sure it is rude.
> 
> The act is not rude, it's criminal (and such a mail could be prosecuted
> here).  Suggesting it is definitely rude.
>  
>> Cohen, why did they write Dolphine? I mean what was really wrong with
>> Konqueror?
>  
> What was really wrong with konqueror was that it the file manager part was
> completely stagnant - I'm not sure anybody was working on it.  So Dolphin
> was started to provide a first-class file manager.  It was certainly
> introduced too soon to Kubuntu.

Come on guys are you lawyers of stupidity. Saying something is not criminal
thing, especially using hypothetical (subjunctive) expression like "should"

I don't think you'll win a trial in court on this subject. What are you
going to prove? that me is rude?

regards




From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 17:38:42 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:38:42 -0700
Subject: Gutsy v Hardy
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811011057t6e2a9fa2y4747159e97e774cc@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Neil Winchurst <barnaby at drofle.com> wrote:
>> I have finally installed Hardy as a dual boot with Gutsy. Yes, I know
>> that Intrepid is now available but it is still too new for me.
>>
>> So far I have not found a lot of differences yet. Anyone like to point
>> out advantages/disadvantage please, and any comments would be interesting.
>
> 8.04 can print with my old printer but gutsy could not, the one before
> that could. I have no idea why. It is a parallel port plugged into a
> USB and that might be part of the problem. In any case it works now.

My experience is the opposite.  My printer worked find in Gutsy, but
doesn't work in Hardy.  I have 3 systems and that is the case with all
of them.

The other big difference is that Hardy the long term support release
(for Ubuntu.  Kubuntu specific packages are not LTS), so if you stay
on Hardy you'll get security updates for a long time.

Michael



From barnaby at drofle.com  Sun Nov  2 18:04:22 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:04:22 +0000
Subject: Gutsy v Hardy
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811020938j61319a48te66b3ff7a6933ad4@mail.gmail.com>
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Michael Hirsch wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Neil Winchurst <barnaby at drofle.com> wrote:
>>> I have finally installed Hardy as a dual boot with Gutsy. Yes, I know
>>> that Intrepid is now available but it is still too new for me.
>>>
>>> So far I have not found a lot of differences yet. Anyone like to point
>>> out advantages/disadvantage please, and any comments would be interesting.
>> 8.04 can print with my old printer but gutsy could not, the one before
>> that could. I have no idea why. It is a parallel port plugged into a
>> USB and that might be part of the problem. In any case it works now.
> 
> My experience is the opposite.  My printer worked find in Gutsy, but
> doesn't work in Hardy.  I have 3 systems and that is the case with all
> of them.
> 
> The other big difference is that Hardy the long term support release
> (for Ubuntu.  Kubuntu specific packages are not LTS), so if you stay
> on Hardy you'll get security updates for a long time.
> 
> Michael
> 
Interesting. My printer works fine in both Gutsy and Hardy.

The only problem so far is getting Hardy to mount my floppy drive. (Yes, 
I know, but it is useful for keeping backups of my accounts). The fstab 
lines are the same in both G and H so I am now a bit puzzled.

Neil



From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 18:47:19 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:47:19 +0200
Subject: Krusader won't launch programs after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811020347m694abdc5xa63a6e8be01aa44b@mail.gmail.com>
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I also did a clean install and it works like a charm.
Here's an idea for you: back up all you krusader settings from the
home directory (or just rename it) and delete the original old
configuration files. In this way krusader starts up clean.
Also try to launch it from the command line, see if it spits out any errors.

Bye,
Bogdan



-- 
"The best way to predict the future is to invent it.", 1971, Alan Kay:
http://www.smalltalk.org/alankay.html



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 18:58:11 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:58:11 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
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On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>
>>> Would you really want Peter to come across a message that he should have
>>> his fingers cut off?
>>
>> Cutting off a programmer's fingers might be painful but I am not so
>> sure it is rude.
>
> The act is not rude, it's criminal (and such a mail could be prosecuted
> here).  Suggesting it is definitely rude.
>
>> Cohen, why did they write Dolphine? I mean what was really wrong with
>> Konqueror?
>
> What was really wrong with konqueror was that it the file manager part was
> completely stagnant - I'm not sure anybody was working on it.  So Dolphin
> was started to provide a first-class file manager.  It was certainly
> introduced too soon to Kubuntu.
> --
> derek

I just watched, "My big fat Greek wedding". I think that the lover's 2
sets of parents and their cultural differences are very much at play
here. I of course could be wrong but it looks like that to me. One
person is very open and aggressive and loud in his self expression and
the other is used to a more quite and subtle way of self expression.

It is a bit like the 2 cultures were one stands a hand's distance face
to face to talk and the other stands 1 meter back. They end up chasing
each other around the room as one steps in and the other backs up to
get to what they expect to be the right distance to talk. I know
having been in this place and having been the 1 meter guy that I kept
feeling like the other man was hitting on me. He was not.

So on this list mostly people are much more subtle and very soft, no
swearing or threats of graphic displays of emotion are liked for the
most part. Those of you that want to have a good time here just need
to learn this bit of culture to get along here.

I think that the theme of only making a program standard on Kubuntu
has come up a lot in the last year. There are a lot of cases of people
being unhappy with programs with big problems being made standard
before they are really ready. Examples are Dolphine and KDE4.
Both of these would have ended up with much more love and even
celebration if they had been available but kept in the background for
at least 6 more months than they were. IN the case of KDE4, I think
they should have at least had kde3 as a background option on our
newest Kubuntu. I should have been easy to see that a lot of people
will still want it for at least one more year. Dolphine did not piss
me off nearly as much because I could have my Konqueror back with a
few clicks. I might have even liked it, if it had been made standard 6
months later with all the fixes that have been talked about. As it is
I never want to try it again. As they say you only get one chance to
make a good impression. The Kubuntu devs need to wake up to this fact.

Does Dolphine still leave it's droppings in each folder it looks into?
I REALLY don't like that.

Best,
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 19:08:32 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:08:32 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811021058ida368eeid0c5973bde83daac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <gek8fr$kcb$3@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net> <gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811020710u6c68b861v610a29a877a24fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<gekgrj$lca$1@ger.gmane.org>
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2008/11/2 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
> I just watched, "My big fat Greek wedding". I think that the lover's 2
> sets of parents and their cultural differences are very much at play
> here. I of course could be wrong but it looks like that to me. One
> person is very open and aggressive and loud in his self expression and
> the other is used to a more quite and subtle way of self expression.
>
> It is a bit like the 2 cultures were one stands a hand's distance face
> to face to talk and the other stands 1 meter back. They end up chasing
> each other around the room as one steps in and the other backs up to
> get to what they expect to be the right distance to talk. I know
> having been in this place and having been the 1 meter guy that I kept
> feeling like the other man was hitting on me. He was not.
>
> So on this list mostly people are much more subtle and very soft, no
> swearing or threats of graphic displays of emotion are liked for the
> most part. Those of you that want to have a good time here just need
> to learn this bit of culture to get along here.

The issue of culture difference has been addressed in Linux mailing
lists 15 years ago. Criticism should be constructive criticism, not
vague ill-defined words. No personal attacks. Using the word 'stupid'
was both an attack on the author, and provided no clue as to what the
user's problem was. When told to stop using the word, he insisted and
attacked the software's author in no uncertain terms.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From d.mcglone at att.net  Sun Nov  2 19:25:26 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:25:26 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811021058ida368eeid0c5973bde83daac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<15519129.oy9FnOdOsZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811021058ida368eeid0c5973bde83daac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811021425.30660.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Sunday 02 November 2008 1:58:11 pm Knapp wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> > Knapp wrote:
> Does Dolphine still leave it's droppings in each folder it looks into?
> I REALLY don't like that.

So far they did fix the show hidden file problem, where if you had hidden 
files shown and move to a different directory you had to unhide the files 
again. That drove me crazy! I also see they have fixed the GUI so the left 
and right columns are so big and the view of the folder contents isn't so 
squished in the middle.

I'm using dolphin as of now, it's not all that bad, I just got sick of having 
to change the default to konq after fresh installs or some other event that 
made dolphin the default.
-- 
David M.
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From ed.lau at mail.ee  Sun Nov  2 19:42:43 2008
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:42:43 +0200
Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working
In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0811020458y754439b9mca5d594904e91fd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee>
	<200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com>	<ge6n8l$k0g$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<490C7429.4050108@mail.ee>	<490C74A6.1060102@mail.ee>
	<3dde113c0811020458y754439b9mca5d594904e91fd8@mail.gmail.com>
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>>> I tried again to completely remove firefox and all its configuration
>>> files and also ~/.mozilla folder but it didn't help :(
>> I also removed xulrunner completely and after also installed back - didn't
>> help.
> I managed to solve a problem like this by downloading Firefox from Mozilla,
> and installing it in /opt.
> The I just changed the menu to call /opt/firefox/firefox

I also tried that but Firefox didn't run either. Now I installed another PC and there is Firefox 
working fine.

But that PC, where it isn't working, there I installed a lot (~1GB additional software) of different 
multimedia, graphics and educational software through Synaptic. Then I suddenly discovered - oops, 
Firefox is not working. But as I understood later, a lot of programs isn't guilty.

I found through Google, that the problem is - if I had Firefox open during software (especially if 
Firefox were open during Firefox upgrade) upgrade/update - then this problem can be happen, that 
Firefox will no more working. Even if I removed Firefox and xulrunner completely (including conf 
files) and/or ~/.mozilla folder - it didn't help. But currently there isn't no one solution to fix 
that, at least I didn't find no one yet. If somebody does - please let us know!

Thanks,
Edmund



From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 20:04:37 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:04:37 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811021425.30660.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<15519129.oy9FnOdOsZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811021058ida368eeid0c5973bde83daac@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811021425.30660.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <a86b2f600811021204waf5b36h6681e4c5c38f6183@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Guys, how can you wish that someone's fingers to be cut off? I think it is
cruel and unsuitable for this mailing list to discuss such things. It scares
new users off. It's hurting the community.

I beg you, express your disagreement and displeasure with any program you do
not like, but please be respectful with everyone involved. Also, please
remember that even if a program is utterly useless to you, it may still be
useful to many others.

Lastly, I think that we should all remember that pointing flaws in other
people doings, without giving them a chance to change, is not a way to prove
how cool or smart we are. It only shows and enhances our own limits.

See you,
Bogdan


-- 
"The best way to predict the future is to invent it.", 1971, Alan Kay:
http://www.smalltalk.org/alankay.html
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From phantom21 at mindspring.com  Sun Nov  2 20:06:24 2008
From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:06:24 -0400
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811021506.24752.phantom21@mindspring.com>

On Sunday 02 November 2008 06:59:56 am Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I should say that Dolphin is a very stupid application. Some would say
> again that I don't want to change, but I don't understand why it is my
> default file manager and who did spent time for programming this and why.
> It does not do some things like it should and it appears right then as
> default, when konqueror finally started working for me. I suppose some
> developers "intelligence" behind the scene.
>
> So does anyone knows how to replace Dolphin with konqueror systemwide?
>
> I would just remove dolphin binary and link konqueror to it, but this is
> not nice way to do so.
>
I just uninstalled Dolphin and Konquerer works fine for me.

Mark



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 20:07:21 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:07:21 +1000
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <200811020852.50617.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811020852.50617.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <200811030607.21281.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:52:45 pm David McGlone wrote:
> On Saturday 01 November 2008 6:52:49 am Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > Does anyone know where I can download adobe flash 9? I want to see if it
> > improves my konqueror embedded flash experience, which is currently non-
> > functional :)
>
> Lindsay, I had the same problem. Here is a link to the archived flash
> players. download the version 9 archive and when you unzip it you will get
> a couple of different versions, 9r48 is the one that works for me the best.
>
> http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_14266

Thanks David, much appreciated.
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 20:23:15 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:23:15 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811021108k60dab749k26a6caed111b283c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>
	<gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811020710u6c68b861v610a29a877a24fb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<gekgrj$lca$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811020738q505cf387t56d5f2eb22ec375a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811020902v231f0d06xbd58199ac15954d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<15519129.oy9FnOdOsZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811021058ida368eeid0c5973bde83daac@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811021108k60dab749k26a6caed111b283c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811021223sed5f6c1k2924c92447b20143@mail.gmail.com>

> The issue of culture difference has been addressed in Linux mailing
> lists 15 years ago. Criticism should be constructive criticism, not
> vague ill-defined words. No personal attacks. Using the word 'stupid'
> was both an attack on the author, and provided no clue as to what the
> user's problem was. When told to stop using the word, he insisted and
> attacked the software's author in no uncertain terms.
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen

Agreed, It would also be nice to see that everywhere in life!

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 21:30:58 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:30:58 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<15519129.oy9FnOdOsZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811021058ida368eeid0c5973bde83daac@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811021425.30660.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<a86b2f600811021204waf5b36h6681e4c5c38f6183@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gel66i$lbe$1@ger.gmane.org>

Bogdan Bivolaru wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Guys, how can you wish that someone's fingers to be cut off? I think it is
> cruel and unsuitable for this mailing list to discuss such things. It
> scares new users off. It's hurting the community.

You take it too serious what is being said here, I think. Do you think I'm
threatening the programmer or someone else. What I'm doing is put in
question their ability to make consequent decisions, something that if you
are working in a company would cost you the job. I would fire the people
responsible for making this _stupid_ think default filemanager in kubuntu
8.04.

> 
> I beg you, express your disagreement and displeasure with any program you
> do not like, but please be respectful with everyone involved. Also, please
> remember that even if a program is utterly useless to you, it may still be
> useful to many others.

Yes, I agree, the problem is that some smarta** decided instead of me what I
would prefer as a filemanager in a kde version where I was sure that
konquerer is was and will be _the_ filemanager.
So kubuntu just lost a point here.

> 
> Lastly, I think that we should all remember that pointing flaws in other
> people doings, without giving them a chance to change, is not a way to
> prove how cool or smart we are. It only shows and enhances our own limits.

At least this is the intention of me writing here, so perhaps in the future
the kubuntu team would learn from their errors in the past.

I would apologise to the author of the program, because I agree he is not
that guilty in this case, though this also can be discussed, but it's not
relevant for now.
What makes sense is for the kubuntu team to stop pushing apps or even
desktops (I refer to the discussion we had about interpid and if it's ready
for use) down to the users.

I'm pretty experienced and can get any linux and desktop working. What and
why I'm so critical here is because kubuntu targets new users. Please pay
attention to _users_ not people like me who can tweak the system and may be
debug apps.
I use mostly the command line and don't know much details about kde, but
having something s t u p i d as a filemanger pisses me really off.

And I do not regret here the usage of the word stupid or the
expression "pisses me off" and also I _want_ that every user knows that
this dolphin as per 02.11.2008 is not that good as konqueror. Sorry for it.
This is obviously true, because of the facts I listed. There should be
place for controversy in the forums, lists and so on.

Please tell me how I can call this, some kind of euphemism for the word
stupid I mean. How do you call something like this in euphemistic way? I
don't have anything less rough in mind. Sorry!

Besides cultural differences where I completely agree with Knapp, I would
like to say that I'm still evaluating kubuntu for myself and I also agree
with Knapp that kubuntu has only one chance to make a good impression.
So far I don't know if the positive or the negative impressions regarding
usability speak for kubuntu. In fact I don't see anything changed in the
past few years. The things that pissed me off 4 years ago are not changed
only kde is much better and what does the kubuntu team does? start over
with a new buggy version of kde. But this discussion we had earlier too.

And when pissed of you tell me to shut up. Please learn from what I'm saying
if you want. It would definitely help kubuntu reach more users.

Who is responsible for packaging and accepting apps in distros. I have to
talk to them I guess. Please, provide list, e-mail or other contact data.

As an example I have discussed kernel issues and they were also unhappy with
my tone and proposal to have a longer time support for some kernel version.
What is going on now there? They are planing longer time support for
2.6.27?

So criticism in any form helps, if you are able to understand what is really
meant.






From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 21:33:25 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:33:25 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021506.24752.phantom21@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <gel6b5$lbe$2@ger.gmane.org>

Mark Halegua wrote:

> On Sunday 02 November 2008 06:59:56 am Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I should say that Dolphin is a very stupid application. Some would say
>> again that I don't want to change, but I don't understand why it is my
>> default file manager and who did spent time for programming this and why.
>> It does not do some things like it should and it appears right then as
>> default, when konqueror finally started working for me. I suppose some
>> developers "intelligence" behind the scene.
>>
>> So does anyone knows how to replace Dolphin with konqueror systemwide?
>>
>> I would just remove dolphin binary and link konqueror to it, but this is
>> not nice way to do so.
>>
> I just uninstalled Dolphin and Konquerer works fine for me.
> 
> Mark

It's not a question of installing or reconfiguring the system, but an idea
behind it. The kubuntu team obviously is in contradiction with what it aims
and what it offers to the users.
I would be glad if they think more about before taking decisions like this.

regards




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 21:57:15 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:57:15 +1000
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gel66i$lbe$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<a86b2f600811021204waf5b36h6681e4c5c38f6183@mail.gmail.com>
	<gel66i$lbe$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811030757.15369.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:30:58 am Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>
> What I'm doing is put in
> question their ability to make consequent decisions, something that if you
> are working in a company would cost you the job. I would fire the people
> responsible for making this _stupid_ think default filemanager in kubuntu
> 8.04.

In my company you would be fired for such rude interactions. Anyone who calls 
people stupid etc is incapable of constructive discourse. Which is also why 
you're being added to my twit filter, so please don't bother replying.

I would suggest anyone else being irritated by this "stupid" Emanoil do the 
same.


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 22:32:07 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:32:07 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<a86b2f600811021204waf5b36h6681e4c5c38f6183@mail.gmail.com>
	<gel66i$lbe$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811030757.15369.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gel9p7$lbe$4@ger.gmane.org>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:30:58 am Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>>
>> What I'm doing is put in
>> question their ability to make consequent decisions, something that if
>> you are working in a company would cost you the job. I would fire the
>> people responsible for making this _stupid_ think default filemanager in
>> kubuntu 8.04.
> 
> In my company you would be fired for such rude interactions. Anyone who
> calls people stupid etc is incapable of constructive discourse. Which is
> also why you're being added to my twit filter, so please don't bother
> replying.
> 
> I would suggest anyone else being irritated by this "stupid" Emanoil do
> the same.
> 
> 

Very nice, thanks. There are many people in history that have been punished
for telling the truth.

regards




From lisi.reisz at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 23:26:50 2008
From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:26:50 +0000
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <geko10$67u$4@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<15519129.oy9FnOdOsZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<geko10$67u$4@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811022326.51108.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>

On Sunday 02 November 2008 17:29:04 Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> Come on guys are you lawyers of stupidity. Saying something is not criminal
> thing, especially using hypothetical (subjunctive) expression like "should"

It can be in this country (England and Wales), and children as young as 10 
have been arrested by the police because of things said in a playground 
brawl.

Suggesting soneone's fingers be cut off could be prosecuted under several 
laws, e.g. it is certainly enticement to violence.

Lisi



From deloptes at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 23:58:11 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:58:11 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<15519129.oy9FnOdOsZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<geko10$67u$4@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811022326.51108.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org>

Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 02 November 2008 17:29:04 Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>> Come on guys are you lawyers of stupidity. Saying something is not
>> criminal thing, especially using hypothetical (subjunctive) expression
>> like "should"
> 
> It can be in this country (England and Wales), and children as young as 10
> have been arrested by the police because of things said in a playground
> brawl.

And taking stupid decisions by bankers or in our case kubuntu developers is
not subject of crime?! May be the system is not perfect? What do you think?

> 
> Suggesting soneone's fingers be cut off could be prosecuted under several
> laws, e.g. it is certainly enticement to violence.

The expression that "somebodies fingers should be chopped" means I am pretty
pissed off, not that I'm willing to do it and not that I mean this
seriously. This also implies that this person does not have a brain ;-) May
be this is too complicated for your politeness sick minds to understand. I
can't believe all of you take this literary and don't understand how ugly
this sounds to me.

Also I'm sorry for your children in England and Wells, because you are
oppressive. You just squash them in stereotypes so they look like the same
and think the same. Freedom in spirit and freedom in mind makes you a
person. It's easier to arrest someone then teaching him/her. Also I'm not a
child. I've been educated to watch out what I'm saying in public and to be
polite to people that are polite to me, but obviously either I'm more
tolerant or do not take such statements literary, because I don't care that
much if someone says something like this to me unless he or she tries to
really do it. I would rather understand that the person is really pissed of
if using such expressions.

And for second time people here look at how I say things but miss what I
say. I still think I'm right and I don't understand what's your problem. I
will not change.

regards




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 00:27:29 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:27:29 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<15519129.oy9FnOdOsZ@cedar.serverforest.com>	<geko10$67u$4@ger.gmane.org>	<200811022326.51108.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
	<geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <490E4571.80305@gmail.com>

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
>> On Sunday 02 November 2008 17:29:04 Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>>> Come on guys are you lawyers of stupidity. Saying something is not
>>> criminal thing, especially using hypothetical (subjunctive) expression
>>> like "should"
>> It can be in this country (England and Wales), and children as young as 10
>> have been arrested by the police because of things said in a playground
>> brawl.
> 
> And taking stupid decisions by bankers or in our case kubuntu developers is
> not subject of crime?! May be the system is not perfect? What do you think?
> 

no it's not, you are free to use their programs, but it's THEIR
programs, they can do whatever they want, you don't like it, then stop
using it!

>> Suggesting soneone's fingers be cut off could be prosecuted under several
>> laws, e.g. it is certainly enticement to violence.
> 
> The expression that "somebodies fingers should be chopped" means I am pretty
> pissed off, not that I'm willing to do it and not that I mean this
> seriously. This also implies that this person does not have a brain ;-) May
> be this is too complicated for your politeness sick minds to understand. I
> can't believe all of you take this literary and don't understand how ugly
> this sounds to me.
> 

sick minds? and you consider yourself not rude? this is outright rudeness!

> Also I'm sorry for your children in England and Wells, because you are
> oppressive. You just squash them in stereotypes so they look like the same
> and think the same. Freedom in spirit and freedom in mind makes you a
> person. It's easier to arrest someone then teaching him/her. Also I'm not a
> child. I've been educated to watch out what I'm saying in public and to be
> polite to people that are polite to me, but obviously either I'm more
> tolerant or do not take such statements literary, because I don't care that
> much if someone says something like this to me unless he or she tries to
> really do it. I would rather understand that the person is really pissed of
> if using such expressions.
> 

keep deluding yourself dude, nobody said anything about making them look
and think the same, nobody said anything about squashing freedoms, they
their freedoms alright. it's just rude, nasty, impolite, ugly thoughts
that are of concern here. thinking in violent terms grows to violent
behaviour, and no one said they're not teaching them. are you not
familiar with where young people go when arrested? they go to special
facilities and are educated there, each in accordance to his/her
condition, because seriously, any kid talking about chopping fingers in
a playground, is a very big concern. a lot of people wouldn't care about
a kid saying offensive things, and consider it normal, ut so far, i have
never ever looked at a kid and said,"this one will be a real
troublemaker when he grows up" and been wrong! this stuff needs to be
pruned at a very early stage, or it will develop to more serious
misbehaviours!

> And for second time people here look at how I say things but miss what I
> say. I still think I'm right and I don't understand what's your problem. I
> will not change.

once someone inserts 1 rude word in a 1000+ words speech, this one word
will scratch and hurt the listeners more than all others, and in the
end, they will only remember this particular word.
if you are politer, people might start noticing the more important
points you're trying to show.



-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 00:29:55 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:29:55 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<15519129.oy9FnOdOsZ@cedar.serverforest.com>	<geko10$67u$4@ger.gmane.org>	<200811022326.51108.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
	<geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <490E4603.4090905@gmail.com>

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:

> Also I'm sorry for your children in England and Wells, because you are

another example of probably unknowingly hurting someone. the name is
"Wales" not "Wells", people from there might get offended by such mistakes.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 01:01:34 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:01:34 -0600
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811022326.51108.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
	<geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811021901.34855.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

This is the first and last time I'm weighing in on this.

On Sunday 02 November 2008 5:58:11 pm Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> The expression that "somebodies fingers should be chopped" means I am
> pretty pissed off, not that I'm willing to do it and not that I mean this
> seriously. This also implies that this person does not have a brain ;-) May
> be this is too complicated for your politeness sick minds to understand. I
> can't believe all of you take this literary and don't understand how ugly
> this sounds to me.
>
> Also I'm sorry for your children in England and Wells, because you are
> oppressive. You just squash them in stereotypes so they look like the same
> and think the same. Freedom in spirit and freedom in mind makes you a
> person. It's easier to arrest someone then teaching him/her. Also I'm not a
> child. I've been educated to watch out what I'm saying in public and to be
> polite to people that are polite to me, but obviously either I'm more
> tolerant or do not take such statements literary, because I don't care that
> much if someone says something like this to me unless he or she tries to
> really do it. I would rather understand that the person is really pissed of
> if using such expressions.
>
> And for second time people here look at how I say things but miss what I
> say. I still think I'm right and I don't understand what's your problem. I
> will not change.
>
> regards

You, sir, are an arrogant, repugnant twit.  I picture you with a big, bulging 
red one like a baboon's.  You have all the charm of a dead porcupine, all the 
social graces of a vulture and all the wit of an eggplant.

I hope you take this as constructive criticism.  Look at what I'm saying, not 
how I say it.

Have a great day!



From claydoh at midmaine.com  Mon Nov  3 01:04:01 2008
From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:04:01 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811021901.34855.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021901.34855.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200811022004.01628.claydoh@midmaine.com>

Please, folks can we let this one die off?

-- 
Clay Weber



From deloptes at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 01:08:09 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:08:09 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<15519129.oy9FnOdOsZ@cedar.serverforest.com>	<geko10$67u$4@ger.gmane.org>	<200811022326.51108.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
	<geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org> <490E4603.4090905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gelitp$kj6$1@ger.gmane.org>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:

> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> 
>> Also I'm sorry for your children in England and Wells, because you are
> 
> another example of probably unknowingly hurting someone. the name is
> "Wales" not "Wells", people from there might get offended by such
> mistakes.
> 

There is a parallell between allergy and all you say here.
If your immune system is not trained to handle something it has allergic
reaction when getting in contact with such a thing.
So I can conclude all you posted this about the rude thing are allergic,
because you can not handle it.

Go to a doctor he can help you.

It looks like also to me that here and there you find shit, that looks like
shit and smells like shit, but someone decided that we are not allowed to
call it shit. Well call it however you want. It has the same colour and
smell and I'm calling it how it has to be called - shit. Go find the person
responsible for this shit and talk to him/her not to me.

As of Wells I'm sorry misstyping it.

And about stop "using it" I'll very soon get rid of k/ubuntu mainly because
kubuntu is not what it claims to be - system for pure users. The way it
goes with kde4 seems to keep it away for the near future from being such a
system.
I don't see any advantage compared to suse for unexperienced users or debian
for experienced. I also see that nothing has changed compared to what was
3-4 years ago. The same stupid decisions by developers are making me sick.
And what is really making me sick is the claim of k/ubuntu to be user
friendly. It has to grow a bit more to make an impression to me but as it
was said before there is only one chance to make a good impression.
As a liberal person I gave it a second chance and what I get is - you are
not politically correct.

regards





From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov  3 01:06:03 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:06:03 -0400
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<15519129.oy9FnOdOsZ@cedar.serverforest.com>	<geko10$67u$4@ger.gmane.org>	<200811022326.51108.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
	<geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org> <490E4603.4090905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1926309.K4eFKTnoRD@cedar.serverforest.com>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:

> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> 
>> Also I'm sorry for your children in England and Wells, because you are
> 
> another example of probably unknowingly hurting someone. the name is
> "Wales" not "Wells", people from there might get offended by such
> mistakes.
> 
Well, "Wales" is a vile Saxon name anyway :-)
-- 
derek




From deloptes at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 01:10:25 2008
From: deloptes at yahoo.com (Emanoil Kotsev)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:10:25 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021901.34855.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<200811022004.01628.claydoh@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <gelj21$kj6$2@ger.gmane.org>

Clay Weber wrote:

> Please, folks can we let this one die off?
> 

I think they all are getting very heavy allergic reaction.

Go to doctor or to church ... they both do the same, take care that you
think you are ok.

regards

PS.: I'm unsubscribing. I had enough.





From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Mon Nov  3 02:24:06 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:24:06 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811022326.51108.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <geko10$67u$4@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811022326.51108.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811022124.06938.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Sunday 02 November 2008, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 02 November 2008 17:29:04 Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> > Come on guys are you lawyers of stupidity. Saying something is not
> > criminal thing, especially using hypothetical (subjunctive) expression
> > like "should"
>
> It can be in this country (England and Wales), and children as young as 10
> have been arrested by the police because of things said in a playground
> brawl.
>
> Suggesting soneone's fingers be cut off could be prosecuted under several
> laws, e.g. it is certainly enticement to violence.

Can we let this panty-wetting, cry-baby discussion die please?
He's rude, and pissed-off. Get over it and move on to another discussion.




From jdesmond at fast.net  Mon Nov  3 02:47:02 2008
From: jdesmond at fast.net (John Desmond)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:47:02 -0500
Subject: Clipboard managers for Linux ?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.454717.1224712260.15140.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
References: <mailman.454717.1224712260.15140.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <490E6626.8070405@fast.net>

Salutations, gentlefolk

Back in 45/148 I asked a 'dumb gnubie hard disk installation question'
and added a request for clipboard manager info, which Donn answered:

<<

Message: 9 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:10:54 +0200
From: Donn <donn.ingle at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dumb gnubie hard disk installation questions
To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID: <200810230010.55049.donn.ingle at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Wednesday, 22 October 2008 21:33:16 jdesmond at fast.net wrote:

> > Second, is there any Linux clupboard manager equivalent to ClipMate
(www.thornsoft.com for details thereon) ? ?Used to that productivity tool,
miss it now.


I don't know about ClipMate, but KDE comes with (or it can be installed
quickly) 'klipper' which is pretty damn productive!

Also remember that in most desktop managers simply *selecting* text
copies it
to a kind of voodoo clipboard in the sky and you can paste that by
middle-click (usually clicking the mouse wheel does this). So you get
ctrl-C/V and Select/Middle-click which gives you two clipboards right
off the
bat.

\d

>>


OK, Klipper came installed with my system.  Now, here's what you can do,
additionally, with ClipMate:

Set up a couple of dozen 'clipboards', each of effectively infinite
capacity, and move items between them - ie, spend a few hours websurfing
and copy everything interesting into 'stuff', then sort it into the
'addresses' clipboard, the 'URLs' clipboard, the 'projects08-16'
clipboard...

You can 'View' the entire contents of a clipboard item, and do basic
editing of it.

ClipMate doesn't discard the CRLFs, keeps outlines, etc, as you laidout them

You can hit a button, and paste the items in a clipboard, one after
another, in order.

Items in a clipboard stay where they are - if an important notes is
'five-from-the-bottom' in the 'Project-14' clipboard, they'll be there
no matter how many times they're 'pasted'

A clipboard window stays open, once it's opened - no need to mousedown
to bottom of screen and reclick after every paste.

Only items 'copied' go to the clipboard - doesn't get clutteredup with
random deleted bits

As I said, more at thornsoft.com.  I hope someone will produce a Linux
equivalent soon.


Anyway, for now, is there any way to change the font size and background
color in Klipper?

Yours, John Desmond






From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 05:05:33 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:05:33 +0200
Subject: Clipboard managers for Linux ?
In-Reply-To: <490CAF22.10102@fast.net>
References: <mailman.454717.1224712260.15140.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
	<490CAF22.10102@fast.net>
Message-ID: <a86b2f600811022105g6f0c07b3w1bea13675cec905d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Personally, I find that klipper 0.9.7 (kubuntu 8.10) is more than enough for
my needs. Have you tried alternative actions, like using a notes organizer?
BasKet Note Pads http://basket.kde.org/
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10020

One thing you should know: usually there are no two programs that have the
same set of features. I don't think there is any program that maps 1:1 the
features of another. Reasons? They are developed by different people,
different personalities, some may find it difficult to develop a feature
another finds easy.

So, the best idea I can suggest you is to contact the current developers,
see what they have to say about the features that you miss. Some other idea:
have you tried to run ClipMate under Wine in the meantime?

Oh, and try to search alternative clipboard managers
http://www.google.ro/search?q=linux+clipboard+manager
*
For example I have found that Parcellite has a feature of editing clipboard
items.

Bogdan
*
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM, John Desmond <jdesmond at fast.net> wrote:

> Salutations, gentlefolk
>
> Back in 45/148 I asked a 'dumb gnubie hard disk installation question'
> and added a request for clipboard manager info, which Donn answered:
>
> <<
>
> Message: 9 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:10:54 +0200
> From: Donn <donn.ingle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Dumb gnubie hard disk installation questions
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <200810230010.55049.donn.ingle at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Wednesday, 22 October 2008 21:33:16 jdesmond at fast.net wrote:
>
>  > > Second, is there any Linux clupboard manager equivalent to ClipMate
> (www.thornsoft.com for details thereon) ? ?Used to that productivity tool,
> miss it now.
>
>
> I don't know about ClipMate, but KDE comes with (or it can be installed
> quickly) 'klipper' which is pretty damn productive!
>
> Also remember that in most desktop managers simply *selecting* text
> copies it
> to a kind of voodoo clipboard in the sky and you can paste that by
> middle-click (usually clicking the mouse wheel does this). So you get
> ctrl-C/V and Select/Middle-click which gives you two clipboards right
> off the
> bat.
>
> \d
>
>  >>
>
>
> OK, Klipper came installed with my system.  Now, here's what you can do,
> additionally, with ClipMate:
>
> Set up a couple of dozen 'clipboards', each of effectively infinite
> capacity, and move items between them - ie, spend a few hours websurfing
> and copy everything interesting into 'stuff', then sort it into the
> 'addresses' clipboard, the 'URLs' clipboard, the 'projects08-16'
> clipboard...
>
> You can 'View' the entire contents of a clipboard item, and do basic
> editing of it.
>
> ClipMate doesn't discard the CRLFs, keeps outlines, etc, as you laidout
> them
>
> You can hit a button, and paste the items in a clipboard, one after
> another, in order.
>
> Items in a clipboard stay where they are - if an important notes is
> 'five-from-the-bottom' in the 'Project-14' clipboard, they'll be there
> no matter how many times they're 'pasted'
>
> A clipboard window stays open, once it's opened - no need to mousedown
> to bottom of screen and reclick after every paste.
>
> Only items 'copied' go to the clipboard - doesn't get clutteredup with
> random deleted bits
>
> As I said, more at thornsoft.com.  I hope someone will produce a Linux
> equivalent soon.
>
>
> Anyway, for now, is there any way to change the font size and background
> color in Klipper?
>
> Yours, John Desmond
>
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>



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From wayward4now at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 07:21:16 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:21:16 -0500
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811010527p288ec6c8jfb5e06bbbe02217@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811010527p288ec6c8jfb5e06bbbe02217@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1225696876.31997.65.camel@iam>

On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 14:27 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/1 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
> > Does anyone know where I can download adobe flash 9? I want to see if it
> > improves my konqueror embedded flash experience, which is currently non-
> > functional :)
> 
> Lindsay, Flash 9 has always been a pain to install, but Adobe now has
> Flash 10 available as a .deb file and it installs easily. It works
> great in Firefox, but I did not test in Konqueror.

I installed it and it didn't do anything, nor did it show up in
"addons". So, I used good ole Midnight Commander (mc) and checked out
the file. It had one binary in a directory off of /usr/lib/ and a doc
file. I wonder just how you get that one file
into .mozilla/firefox/plugins?? ..or for firefox to use it? Every time I
installed it and fired FF back up, no dice. Ric

-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
https://nuoar.dev.java.net/
Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987




From afalls at qvxlabs.com  Mon Nov  3 07:24:47 2008
From: afalls at qvxlabs.com (Ardavon Falls)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:24:47 -0800
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <1225696876.31997.65.camel@iam>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<880dece00811010527p288ec6c8jfb5e06bbbe02217@mail.gmail.com>
	<1225696876.31997.65.camel@iam>
Message-ID: <490EA73F.90901@qvxlabs.com>

Ric Moore wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 14:27 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>   
>> 2008/11/1 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
>>     
>>> Does anyone know where I can download adobe flash 9? I want to see if it
>>> improves my konqueror embedded flash experience, which is currently non-
>>> functional :)
>>>       
>> Lindsay, Flash 9 has always been a pain to install, but Adobe now has
>> Flash 10 available as a .deb file and it installs easily. It works
>> great in Firefox, but I did not test in Konqueror.
>>     
>
> I installed it and it didn't do anything, nor did it show up in
> "addons". So, I used good ole Midnight Commander (mc) and checked out
> the file. It had one binary in a directory off of /usr/lib/ and a doc
> file. I wonder just how you get that one file
> into .mozilla/firefox/plugins?? ..or for firefox to use it? Every time I
> installed it and fired FF back up, no dice. Ric
>
>   
I had the same problem and I resolved it by re-installing it.
first I used dpkg -purge  then I did a complete reinstall of flash and 
now all is fine. I think the issue is that the flash plugin by default 
gets installed before firefox etc.. does.

!DSPAM:490ea74013621102618242!





From barnaby at drofle.com  Mon Nov  3 08:31:14 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:31:14 +0000
Subject: Hardy and Floppy Disk
Message-ID: <490EB6D2.2080806@drofle.com>

I am trying out Hardy, as a dual boot. So far so good, but two problems.

When I try to mount a floppy disk I get an error message about wrong 
file system. The same floppy in Gutsy works fine. I have checked and 
both fstab entries are the same. Permissions look the same too.

Anyone point me where to look next please?

Neil Winchurst



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 08:34:44 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:34:44 +1000
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <200811020852.50617.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811020852.50617.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <200811031834.44521.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:52:45 pm David McGlone wrote:
> On Saturday 01 November 2008 6:52:49 am Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > Does anyone know where I can download adobe flash 9? I want to see if it
> > improves my konqueror embedded flash experience, which is currently non-
> > functional :)
>
> Lindsay, I had the same problem. Here is a link to the archived flash
> players. download the version 9 archive and when you unzip it you will get
> a couple of different versions, 9r48 is the one that works for me the best.
>
> http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_14266


Just tested it - worked perfectly! thanks David!

Installed it locally (user), rescanned plugins in konqueror, restarted 
konqueror and that was it,
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 08:48:13 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:48:13 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811022124.06938.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <geko10$67u$4@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811022326.51108.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
	<200811022124.06938.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811030048pb7c27cft8295d8272280e0bb@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:24 AM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 02 November 2008, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Sunday 02 November 2008 17:29:04 Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>> > Come on guys are you lawyers of stupidity. Saying something is not
>> > criminal thing, especially using hypothetical (subjunctive) expression
>> > like "should"
>>
>> It can be in this country (England and Wales), and children as young as 10
>> have been arrested by the police because of things said in a playground
>> brawl.

Couple of things, this bit about Wales is an example of their culture
and it is a culture that seems close to the culture of this list. If
you go to a new country then you learn their ways and language. If you
don't you will fail in that country or at least be very unhappy.
Emanoil what country are you from? I know in my home country, USA,
people talk you are talking in the counstruction field of work.
Everyone knows that it is normal and no one takes it personally. In
other areas of work like kindergarden teacher you NEVER talk like
that. In most business situations you NEVER talk like that. In a lot
of countries you NEVER talk like that in front of Women or kids but it
is OK in front of Men. This list has women, men and kids on it that
read it! If you change cultures you change how you act. If you don't
then everyone will think you are an ASS.

Japan has and interesting contrast to Wales. Miyamoto Musashi, 1584.
He killed his first man an age 13 with a sword and then went on to
kill something like 60 more people. This lead to him being a great
national hero. I wounder what would have happened to him in Wales?

I like your ideas, I like what you have said. I think you are VERY
correct but the way you say it is making you loose all your allies.
Your results remind me of Pres Bush. The USA had most of the world
behind it 8 years ago and now the world thinks we are fools. At home
his popularity is at 25%. An all time low. I am sure you don't want to
follow in this path. You want to help change Kubuntu to what it could
be or should be.

Read 2 books, that really shaped how the USA and a lot of other places
expect people to communicate. Learning what is in these books will
help you in a lot of ways.

How to win friends and influence People by Dale Carnegie. (get a first
printing, if you can, the newer ones have been cleaned up to a sick PC
level and are not as much fun to read).

NonViolent Communication, a language of life by Marshal B Rosenberg, Ph.D

If you want to be effective then you must communicate in a way that
your audience can relate to. If not then you are just making people
pissed and shooting yourself in the foot. Let your ego drop all this
fighting and anger. Apologize to those that are upset and pave a new
path. I know this can be hard when you are pissed but I hope you are
mature enough to see that you are in  a new culture here and need to
adapt to win. Only a fool fights against the river for long. Go with
the flow and get something useful and good going! We really do need
your insights here!

Best,

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

PS I wounder if he did unsubscribe?? I hope not because I think if you
look under the violent way he states thing that he is right and smart
and could be a great member of this list.

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Mon Nov  3 06:23:34 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:23:34 +0200
Subject: Flash 10 in Hardy?
Message-ID: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>

How can I get Flash 10 in Hardy Heron (8.04)?
I know that I can download it from the Adobe website and install it in /opt -- how then do I 
replace Flash 9?

Blessings,

Nigel
-- 




From d.mcglone at att.net  Mon Nov  3 12:37:19 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:37:19 -0500
Subject: Flash 10 in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <200811030737.24319.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Monday 03 November 2008 1:23:34 am Nigel Ridley wrote:
> How can I get Flash 10 in Hardy Heron (8.04)?
> I know that I can download it from the Adobe website and install it in /opt
> -- how then do I replace Flash 9?

How did you install Flash 9?

If you used adept, then just do:
sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree, or use adept or synaptic.


-- 
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From d.mcglone at att.net  Mon Nov  3 12:58:45 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:58:45 -0500
Subject: Adobe Flash 9 download?
In-Reply-To: <1225696876.31997.65.camel@iam>
References: <200811012052.49619.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811010527p288ec6c8jfb5e06bbbe02217@mail.gmail.com>
	<1225696876.31997.65.camel@iam>
Message-ID: <200811030758.49459.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Monday 03 November 2008 2:21:16 am Ric Moore wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 14:27 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/11/1 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
> > > Does anyone know where I can download adobe flash 9? I want to see if
> > > it improves my konqueror embedded flash experience, which is currently
> > > non- functional :)
> >
> > Lindsay, Flash 9 has always been a pain to install, but Adobe now has
> > Flash 10 available as a .deb file and it installs easily. It works
> > great in Firefox, but I did not test in Konqueror.
>
> I installed it and it didn't do anything, nor did it show up in
> "addons". So, I used good ole Midnight Commander (mc) and checked out
> the file. It had one binary in a directory off of /usr/lib/ and a doc
> file. I wonder just how you get that one file
> into .mozilla/firefox/plugins?? ..or for firefox to use it? Every time I
> installed it and fired FF back up, no dice. Ric

Create a symlink to make firefox see the flash:

ln -s  /usr/lib/<directory flash plugin was installed/name of 
plugin> /home/<user>/.mozilla/firefox/plugins

My syntax might be wrong. It's been a while since I've created a symlink, but 
it's an easy way to fix the problem.

Just google the word "creating a symlink"

-- 
David M.
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From bonedu at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 12:13:53 2008
From: bonedu at gmail.com (Eduard Bonet)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:13:53 +0100
Subject: Help on TV - usb Avermedia A828 for ubuntu 8.10
Message-ID: <3e192e060811030413x7ef7751fie0b899700fc66bea@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody.

I got a problem -well, actually several- since I installed the new
release 8.10 for kubuntu.
The usb television card Avermedia A828 is not working anymore because
I cannot install the drivers. It turns out that the drivers were
prepared and tested for ubuntu 7.10
(http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/Support/Download.aspx?Action=search&Kind=APDriver&interface=3&signal=3&keyword=linux),
but there is some people that have struggled with this and offer some
patches to solve the problem http://backstep.net/aver/
Could you tell how should I manipulate the patches? Are they meant to
be used during compilation? If so, could you please indicate me where
can I learn about the process?

Thanks in advance!

Eduard

-- 
Eduard Bonet

Linux user n.444814
(K)Ubuntu user  12888



From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 12:32:39 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:32:39 +0200
Subject: Does Kwallet work in 8.10 Final?
In-Reply-To: <4909E26C.8070005@bmts.com>
References: <4909E26C.8070005@bmts.com>
Message-ID: <a86b2f600811030432o1d4f8005ie573dc5448db2171@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
Yes, I created a new wallet, stored and retrieved passwords using Kopete and
Konqueror.

Bye,
Bogdan

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Scott <slewin at bmts.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>     I have been using the Beta version for about a couple weeks now and
> the one thing that annoys me the most is that kwallet does not work.  I
> was just wondering if anyone can tell me if it works on a fresh final
> install?
>
> --
> Your friend,
> Scott
> http://sgaming.org
>
> Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.10
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>



-- 
"The best way to predict the future is to invent it.", 1971, Alan Kay:
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From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 12:34:36 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:34:36 +0200
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10, bittorrent and K3B
In-Reply-To: <200810301308.15466.k7qo@commspeed.net>
References: <200810301308.15466.k7qo@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <a86b2f600811030434v3f7567dcv2e27b4b492240f7c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

When did it fail? How did it fail?


Bogdan






On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM, chuck adams <k7qo at commspeed.net> wrote:

>
> I just took the 8.10 ISO that I got via bittorrent
> a few hours ago and burned it to disc using K3B.
> All this on a kubuntu 8.04.1 AMD 64 system.
>
> The cd/dvd burner is an LG dual-layer drive.
> This drive has never failed me yet on any burn.
>
> I took the new disc and took it to another AMD 64
> system and ran the integrity check on it and it did
> pass with flying colors.  So the distro that is currently
> being sent out via bittorrent does pass the check.
>
> FYI
>
> chuck
>
>
> --
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> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Mon Nov  3 13:21:57 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:21:57 +0200
Subject: Flash 10 in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <200811030737.24319.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811030737.24319.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <490EFAF5.2010803@prayingforisrael.net>

David McGlone wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 1:23:34 am Nigel Ridley wrote:
>> How can I get Flash 10 in Hardy Heron (8.04)?
>> I know that I can download it from the Adobe website and install it in /opt
>> -- how then do I replace Flash 9?
> 
> How did you install Flash 9?
> 
> If you used adept, then just do:
> sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree, or use adept or synaptic.
> 
> 
> 

OK, that sounds straight forward. Do I then have to make symlinks to the new Flash in /opt? Or 
just copy the relevant files to /? -- I just had a look in /usr/lib/ for the existing Flash 
plugin and I must admit that I am now somewhat confused. There are several dirs, including:
/usr/lib/firefox/plugins
/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/plugins (which is actually a link to /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins 
(which is empty).
and:
/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree (which contains the libflashplayer.so file).

So, where do I put the libflashplayer.so for Flash 10?

Blessings,

Nigel

-- 



From slewin at bmts.com  Mon Nov  3 13:24:50 2008
From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:24:50 -0500
Subject: Does Kwallet work in 8.10 Final?
In-Reply-To: <a86b2f600811030432o1d4f8005ie573dc5448db2171@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4909E26C.8070005@bmts.com>
	<a86b2f600811030432o1d4f8005ie573dc5448db2171@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490EFBA2.6040602@bmts.com>

Bogdan Bivolaru wrote:
> Hello,
> Yes, I created a new wallet, stored and retrieved passwords using Kopete 
> and Konqueror.
Thanks.

-- 
Your friend,
Scott
http://sgaming.org

Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.10



From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk  Mon Nov  3 13:38:13 2008
From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:38:13 +0000
Subject: Flash 10 in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <200811031338.14110.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>

On Monday 03 November 2008 06:23:34 Nigel Ridley wrote:
> How can I get Flash 10 in Hardy Heron (8.04)?
> I know that I can download it from the Adobe website and install it in /opt
> -- how then do I replace Flash 9?

If you download and install the .deb version of Flash 10 from their website, 
it will automatically remove Flash 9 provided you installed it via Adept 
Manager. You may then get asked to do an update from 10.0.12.36-1hardy1 to 
hardy2 with update notifier.

-- 
Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org




From ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 13:39:48 2008
From: ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com (Ralph DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:39:48 -0500
Subject: Multimedia Buttons Problem with Amarok on Kubuntu 8.10
Message-ID: <200811030839.48921.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>

I just did a full install of Kubuntu 8.10 retaining my home directory from a 
Opensuse 11.0 install. I am using a Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop and the 
multimedia buttons used to work on previous kubuntu installs. I am not sure if 
this is a kubuntu 8.10 problem or a problem caused by reusing my opensuse home 
partition? Could some one help me get this sorted out and working.
-- 
	Yours,
	Ralph.
It said Use Windows XP or better, so I installed OpenSUSE 11.0 
Register Linux User 168814 ICQ #49993234 AIM & Yahoo ralphfdewitt jabber.org 
ralphdewitt
GPG Public Key available at http://www.keyserver.net
Key id = 3097 3BC4
Kernel version 2.6.27-7-generic
Current Linux uptime: 3:36, days user hours  minutes.




From paulatgm at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 14:02:35 2008
From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:02:35 -0500
Subject: Flash 10 in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <490F047B.6090200@gmail.com>

Nigel Ridley said the following on 11/03/2008 01:23 AM:
> How can I get Flash 10 in Hardy Heron (8.04)?
> I know that I can download it from the Adobe website and install it in /opt -- how then do I 
> replace Flash 9?
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Nigel

It's available in the partner repository under the name 
adobe-flashplugin.  Uninstall flashplugin-nonfree and install the new 
one.  It's that simple.  Plus, adobe will problably isssue update to 
their partner repo version, so it should keep up when they're released.

regards,



From barnaby at drofle.com  Mon Nov  3 16:13:19 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:13:19 +0000
Subject: Hardy and Floppy Disk (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <490EB6D2.2080806@drofle.com>
References: <490EB6D2.2080806@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <490F231F.2080302@drofle.com>

Neil Winchurst wrote:
> I am trying out Hardy, as a dual boot. So far so good, but two problems.
> 
> When I try to mount a floppy disk I get an error message about wrong 
> file system. The same floppy in Gutsy works fine. I have checked and 
> both fstab entries are the same. Permissions look the same too.
> 
> Anyone point me where to look next please?
> 
> Neil Winchurst
> 
Replying to myself

When I checked the two versions of fstab more closely I noticed that the 
Hardy version included utf8 as part of the line. I removed that and it 
is now all working. Strange.

Neil



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 16:22:45 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:22:45 +0200
Subject: Hardy and Floppy Disk (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <490F231F.2080302@drofle.com>
References: <490EB6D2.2080806@drofle.com> <490F231F.2080302@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <490F2555.6010503@gmail.com>

Neil Winchurst wrote:
> Neil Winchurst wrote:
>> I am trying out Hardy, as a dual boot. So far so good, but two problems.
>>
>> When I try to mount a floppy disk I get an error message about wrong 
>> file system. The same floppy in Gutsy works fine. I have checked and 
>> both fstab entries are the same. Permissions look the same too.
>>
>> Anyone point me where to look next please?
>>
>> Neil Winchurst
>>
> Replying to myself
> 
> When I checked the two versions of fstab more closely I noticed that the 
> Hardy version included utf8 as part of the line. I removed that and it 
> is now all working. Strange.
> 
> Neil
> 

the floppy is FAT? utf and FAT are not very friendly ;)
hmm.. floppy? how do these things look like? :P

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 16:31:37 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:31:37 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>
	<gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811031131.37395.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Sunday 02 November 2008 08:54:18 am Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say they
> are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?

I think Kubuntu developers monitor this list.  As someone said Dolphin KDE 3 
is a Kubuntu decision, not an upstream KDE one.  Also, forcing the 
work-in-progress KDE 4 on Kubuntu 8.10 is a Kubuntu decision, not KDE.

I have decided to opt for continuing KDE 3 until KDE 4 is ready.  I am 
experimenting with Debian Lenny, as it will support KDE 3 for 3 years after 
Etch is released, about 4 more years projected.  Once I get comfortable, my 
Kubuntu box will become my experimental one, and Lenny for production.

I don't understand why the Debian developers can continue to support KDE 3, 
but the Kubuntu developers cannot.  This is the reason why Ubuntu 8.04 is 
LTS, but Kubuntu 8.04 is not.  I understand that the Kubuntu team has blamed 
it on loss of upstream KDE support, but for some reason, Debian does not have 
a problem with this.

The impression I get is that the Kubuntu team is targeting hobbyists and home 
users and not business users.  Too bad.  If that is true, Kubuntu will never 
be taken seriously.  I assume that is why OEMs, like Dell, are installing 
Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu.

>
> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid into
> the opposite.

True, but it may get you help from someone who can, but is too offended to 
offer.






From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 16:34:44 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:34:44 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <gekd63$6t8$2@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <490DB252.3020100@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk>
	<gekd63$6t8$2@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811031134.44363.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Sunday 02 November 2008 09:24:03 am Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> calling something stupid, if it's stupid, means telling the truth.
> can you live with it? I can.

It is stupid.  But not as stupid as making it default before it is ready.  

It is nice to have access to work in progress for preview and testing, but not 
nice to be forced to choose between using alpha software and changing distros 
or desktop environments.




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 16:47:22 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:47:22 +0200
Subject: Multimedia Buttons Problem with Amarok on Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811030839.48921.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <200811030839.48921.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <490F2B1A.6010304@gmail.com>

Ralph DeWitt wrote:
> I just did a full install of Kubuntu 8.10 retaining my home directory from a 
> Opensuse 11.0 install. I am using a Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop and the 
> multimedia buttons used to work on previous kubuntu installs. I am not sure if 
> this is a kubuntu 8.10 problem or a problem caused by reusing my opensuse home 
> partition? Could some one help me get this sorted out and working.

see if this helps, taken from the list of known issues from the
pre-release versions, i thought it might have been fixed :S


After upgrading to this version, some keys might misbehave in X. Please
make sure you have set the keyboard model as Generic Evdev-managed
keyboard in System → Preferences → Keyboard, in the tab Layouts. If some
keys still have problems, please file a bug against xkeyboard-config,
and provide the output of setxkbmap -print and xkbcomp :0 - both run in
the Terminal.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 17:29:17 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:29:17 -0600
Subject: Flash 10 in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <490EFAF5.2010803@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811030737.24319.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<490EFAF5.2010803@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <200811031129.17978.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 7:21:57 am Nigel Ridley wrote:
> OK, that sounds straight forward. Do I then have to make symlinks to the
> new Flash in /opt? Or just copy the relevant files to /? -- I just had a
> look in /usr/lib/ for the existing Flash plugin and I must admit that I am
> now somewhat confused. There are several dirs, including:
> /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
> /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/plugins (which is actually a link to
> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins (which is empty).
> and:
> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree (which contains the libflashplayer.so file).
>
> So, where do I put the libflashplayer.so for Flash 10?
>
> Blessings,
>
> Nigel

If I can offer a suggestion.  Perhaps you don't want to completely replace 
Flash 9.  If you only ever use Firefox, then go ahead.  But if you use 
Konqueror for any reason, you need to use 9 with it.  10 is terrible with 
Konqueror.  (In fact, it's not all that solid on Firefox, but it works most of 
the time.)

I would suggest doing the default install, then copying it to the 
.mozilla/plugins in your home directory.  Then make sure that the plugin 
directory list in Konqueror either doesn't have that directory listed or that 
it's moved to the bottom of the list.  In this way, you'll still be able to 
use 9 in Konqueror while Firefox will use 10.



From barnaby at drofle.com  Mon Nov  3 17:54:19 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:54:19 +0000
Subject: Hardy and Floppy Disk (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <490F2555.6010503@gmail.com>
References: <490EB6D2.2080806@drofle.com> <490F231F.2080302@drofle.com>
	<490F2555.6010503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F3ACB.5060104@drofle.com>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:

>> Replying to myself
>>
>> When I checked the two versions of fstab more closely I noticed that the 
>> Hardy version included utf8 as part of the line. I removed that and it 
>> is now all working. Strange.
>>
>> Neil
>>
> 
> the floppy is FAT? utf and FAT are not very friendly ;)
> hmm.. floppy? how do these things look like? :P
> 
> 
No, the floppy is Ext2. Still, it would not work with the Utf8 in the 
line in fstab. Now it is fine.

Yes, I know that floppies are supposed to be Stone Age now. However, my 
computer came with a floppy drive when it was made for me so I decided 
to use it.

I have my accounts on GNUCash, which creates a small text file, so I 
keep a copy on a floppy disk as a back up. And it has proved very useful 
more than once. It would be overkill to use a CD or a DVD for it.

Neil



From claydoh at midmaine.com  Mon Nov  3 18:13:46 2008
From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:13:46 -0500
Subject: [OT] Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811031131.37395.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811031131.37395.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811031313.46887.claydoh@midmaine.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 11:31:37 am Art Alexion wrote:
> On Sunday 02 November 2008 08:54:18 am Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> > I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say
> > they are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?
>
> I think Kubuntu developers monitor this list. 
 Some do, but not often (especially with the propensity for long rambling 
threads such as this one)

> As someone said Dolphin KDE
> 3 is a Kubuntu decision, not an upstream KDE one.
> 

Dolphin in KDE4 is KDE's default now

> Also, forcing the
> work-in-progress KDE 4 on Kubuntu 8.10 is a Kubuntu decision, not KDE.

And during Hardy's lifespan, there will be two development cycles with which 
to work on KDE4. This goes back to the number of developers.

>
> I have decided to opt for continuing KDE 3 until KDE 4 is ready.  I am
> experimenting with Debian Lenny, as it will support KDE 3 for 3 years after
> Etch is released, about 4 more years projected. 

Are Debian the only ones maintaining KDE3 for any length of time?

> Once I get comfortable, my
> Kubuntu box will become my experimental one, and Lenny for production.
>
> I don't understand why the Debian developers can continue to support KDE 3,
> but the Kubuntu developers cannot. 

Debian devs= lots and lots of people
Kubuntu devs= more or less 3-5 people who do a majority of the work (as well 
as 2 of them who are massively active on KDE specific bugs in Launchpad)

> This is the reason why Ubuntu 8.04 is
> LTS, but Kubuntu 8.04 is not.  I understand that the Kubuntu team has
> blamed it on loss of upstream KDE support, but for some reason, Debian does
> not have a problem with this.

part of the decision was the *uncertainty* of future support from KDE as well 
as the work involved for the number of devs kubuntu have. The decision on LTS 
status was made by canonical alone, and not at all by the Kubuntu  team. 

>
> The impression I get is that the Kubuntu team is targeting hobbyists and
> home users and not business users.  Too bad.  If that is true, Kubuntu will
> never be taken seriously.  I assume that is why OEMs, like Dell, are
> installing Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu.

Sorry to say, but Ubuntu (and not my favorite distro) is *the* major linux 
distro today.  That is one of the major reasons that Dell chose it. Why does 
Kubuntu need to be as big as Ubuntu for it to be taken seriously? 

I do think the Kubuntu team maybe needs to actually define what they are or 
want to be a bit better. My impression is that Kubuntu is a KDE showcase of 
sorts, nothing about home or business focus

> > Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid
> > into the opposite.
>
> True, but it may get you help from someone who can, but is too offended to
> offer.

-- 
Clay Weber



From lisi.reisz at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 18:59:50 2008
From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:59:50 +0000
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <1926309.K4eFKTnoRD@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <490E4603.4090905@gmail.com>
	<1926309.K4eFKTnoRD@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811031859.50343.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 01:06:03 Derek Broughton wrote:
> Well, "Wales" is a vile Saxon name anyway :-)

Yes - I frequently ask rhetorically what poor Wales ever did to get landed 
with English law.  But landed they have been, and many of them object.  As 
you have rightly commented, our legal system - and don't get me on the 
subject of the English legal system, I don't like being landed with it 
either - doesn't even have the courtesy to call the country Cymru.  :-(

Lisi



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Mon Nov  3 19:42:45 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:42:45 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811031859.50343.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<490E4603.4090905@gmail.com>	<1926309.K4eFKTnoRD@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811031859.50343.lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F5435.5030302@prayingforisrael.net>

Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 01:06:03 Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Well, "Wales" is a vile Saxon name anyway :-)
> 
> Yes - I frequently ask rhetorically what poor Wales ever did to get landed 
> with English law.  But landed they have been, and many of them object.  As 
> you have rightly commented, our legal system - and don't get me on the 
> subject of the English legal system, I don't like being landed with it 
> either - doesn't even have the courtesy to call the country Cymru.  :-(
> 
> Lisi
> 

That's only because they can't pronounce it properly!

Nigel (originally from Scotland)

-- 



From herman.holmstrom at bostream.nu  Mon Nov  3 19:47:27 2008
From: herman.holmstrom at bostream.nu (Herman =?iso-8859-1?q?Holmstr=F6m?=)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:47:27 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
Message-ID: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>

Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like Dolphin 
a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think it's so 
bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and move my 
files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand if a file 
manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't work. Why is 
it that so many hates Dolphin?



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Mon Nov  3 20:06:07 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:06:07 +0200
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
Message-ID: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>

I just got a new SanDisk 2GB cruzer micro and formatted it to ext2 (using qtparted).
I then proceeded to copy just under 600MB of data --- it took more than 10 minutes! What's going 
on? Is it because of ext2? Should I reformat it as ext3?
This is on a Dell Inspiron 1525 (with USB 2).

Blessings,

Nigel
-- 



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 20:06:15 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:06:15 -0500
Subject: [OT] Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811031313.46887.claydoh@midmaine.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811031131.37395.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811031313.46887.claydoh@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <200811031506.15949.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 01:13:46 pm Clay Weber wrote:
> > I have decided to opt for continuing KDE 3 until KDE 4 is ready.  I am
> > experimenting with Debian Lenny, as it will support KDE 3 for 3 years
> > after Etch is released, about 4 more years projected.
>
> Are Debian the only ones maintaining KDE3 for any length of time?

I honestly have no idea.  I got my info on Lenny support from the Distrowatch 
article that was cited in another thread and confirmed by a friend in the KDE 
ev.


>
> > Once I get comfortable, my
> > Kubuntu box will become my experimental one, and Lenny for production.
> >
> > I don't understand why the Debian developers can continue to support KDE
> > 3, but the Kubuntu developers cannot.
>
> Debian devs= lots and lots of people
> Kubuntu devs= more or less 3-5 people who do a majority of the work (as
> well as 2 of them who are massively active on KDE specific bugs in
> Launchpad)

Let us not mix apples and oranges.  The core OS is maintained by the Ubuntu 
developers; the Kubuntu team supports the desktop environment only.  So # of 
Debian devs is comparable with number of Ubuntu devs.  I don't know how many 
Debian Lenny devs work exclusively on KDE.  


>
> > This is the reason why Ubuntu 8.04 is
> > LTS, but Kubuntu 8.04 is not.  I understand that the Kubuntu team has
> > blamed it on loss of upstream KDE support, but for some reason, Debian
> > does not have a problem with this.
>
> part of the decision was the *uncertainty* of future support from KDE as
> well as the work involved for the number of devs kubuntu have. The decision
> on LTS status was made by canonical alone, and not at all by the Kubuntu
>  team.

I certainly don't have any knowledge to disagree with you on what Canonical 
decided and what the Kubuntu team decided.  It doesn't make much sense to me 
though for Canonical to make this decision to short circuit the plans or 
wishes of the team that actually does the work and monitors the upstream 
direction.


>
> > The impression I get is that the Kubuntu team is targeting hobbyists and
> > home users and not business users.  Too bad.  If that is true, Kubuntu
> > will never be taken seriously.  I assume that is why OEMs, like Dell, are
> > installing Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu.
>
> Sorry to say, but Ubuntu (and not my favorite distro) is *the* major linux
> distro today.  That is one of the major reasons that Dell chose it. Why
> does Kubuntu need to be as big as Ubuntu for it to be taken seriously?

Three points: 

First, a considerable amount of Kubuntu is just part of Ubuntu.  It's not like 
they are building Kubuntu from scratch.

Second, I have no idea how many people use Kubuntu vs. other KDE based 
distros.  My guess is that the popularity of Ubuntu spills over into the 
branch distros, like Kubuntu and Xubuntu.  I was a KDE fan using it on Red 
Hat 7.3 when Ubuntu was released.  Warty (was it 3.10 or 4.10?) attracted me 
away from the world of RPM, and I used Ubuntu until Kubuntu was announced.  

Third, your question may be a chicken and egg thing.  That is, I don't think 
Kubuntu has to be big to be taken seriously, though it may get bigger if it 
is taken seriously.  I use Linux at home, but I use it for work as well.  
Kubuntu will be taken seriously in the workplace when it is designed for 
reliability and not as a fun experiment.

Until the Intrepid development cycle, I never considered Kubuntu to be the 
poor relative of Ubuntu.  It is a fantastic distro that I have enjoyed using 
from its inception to the present.  I expect to skip Intrepid for all but 
experimental use for now, though.


>
> I do think the Kubuntu team maybe needs to actually define what they are or
> want to be a bit better. My impression is that Kubuntu is a KDE showcase of
> sorts, nothing about home or business focus

Rudeness or not aside, I think Emanoil's comment was not so much directed to 
the dolphin devs for creating it, but to the Kubuntu devs for prematurely 
making it the default.  I really loved Kubuntu, but the recent decisions to 
make alpha software the default has me frustrated and puzzled.



From ed.lau at mail.ee  Mon Nov  3 20:09:15 2008
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:09:15 +0200
Subject: Flash 10 in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <490E98E6.5080108@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <490F5A6B.5020902@mail.ee>

> How can I get Flash 10 in Hardy Heron (8.04)?
> I know that I can download it from the Adobe website and install it in /opt -- how then do I 
> replace Flash 9?


If to look packages:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=flashplugin&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all

... then there is written, that in hardy-backports repository at web section can be found 
10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2 package.

If to use classical search at command line with apt:

$ sudo apt-cache search flashplugin
flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
adobe-flashplugin - Adobe Flash Player plugin version 10

There we can see, that there's another plugin too. Let's look inside those plugins:

$ sudo apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree
Package: flashplugin-nonfree
Priority: optional
Section: multiverse/web
Installed-Size: 164
Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu at lists.ubuntu.com>
Original-Maintainer: Bart Martens <bartm at knars.be>
Architecture: i386
Version: 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2
----snip----
Description: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
  This package will download the Flash Player from Adobe.  It is a
  Netscape/Mozilla type plugin.  Any browser based on Netscape or Mozilla can
  use the Flash plugin.  This package currently supports the following browsers:
  Mozilla, Mozilla-Firefox, Firefox, Iceweasel, and Iceape.  Also Galeon and
  Epiphany can use the Flash plugin.  Konqueror can also use the Flash plugin if
  konqueror-nsplugins is installed.
  .
  WARNING: Installing this Ubuntu package causes the Adobe flash plugin to be
  downloaded from www.adobe.com.  The distribution license of the Adobe flash
  plugin is available at www.adobe.com.  Installing this Ubuntu package implies
  that you have accepted the terms of that license.
   Homepage: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashPlayer9


Package: flashplugin-nonfree
Priority: optional
Section: multiverse/web
Installed-Size: 164
Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu at lists.ubuntu.com>
Original-Maintainer: Bart Martens <bartm at knars.be>
Architecture: i386
Version: 9.0.124.0ubuntu2
----snip----
Description: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
  This package will download the Flash Player from Adobe.  It is a
  Netscape/Mozilla type plugin.  Any browser based on Netscape or Mozilla can
  use the Flash plugin.  This package currently supports the following browsers:
  Mozilla, Mozilla-Firefox, Firefox, Iceweasel, and Iceape.  Also Galeon and
  Epiphany can use the Flash plugin.  Konqueror can also use the Flash plugin if
  konqueror-nsplugins is installed.
  .
  WARNING: Installing this Ubuntu package causes the Adobe flash plugin to be
  downloaded from www.adobe.com.  The distribution license of the Adobe flash
  plugin is available at www.adobe.com.  Installing this Ubuntu package implies
  that you have accepted the terms of that license.
Homepage: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashPlayer9


$ sudo apt-cache show adobe-flashplugin
Package: adobe-flashplugin
Priority: optional
Section: partner/web
Installed-Size: 9864
Maintainer: DL-Flash Player Ubuntu <FlashPlayerUbuntu at adobe.com>
Architecture: i386
Version: 10.0.12.36-1hardy2
Replaces: flashplugin (<< 6), flashplugin-nonfree
Provides: flashplugin-nonfree
----snip----
Description: Adobe Flash Player plugin version 10
  This package will download the Flash Player from Adobe. It is a
  Netscape/Mozilla type plugin. Any browser based on Netscape or Mozilla can use
  the Flash plugin. This package officially supports the following browsers:
  .
  Firefox 2.x, Firefox 3.x, SeaMonkey 1.11
Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Origin: Ubuntu


I installed that adobe-flashplugin and everything works fine. Suggest it also to others - you have 
just enable the partner repository through Synaptic or Adept or just edit with root permissions the 
file /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment those rows:
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ hardy partner
deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ hardy partner



Best regards,
Edmund Laugasson



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 20:09:59 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:09:59 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <200811031509.59743.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 02:47:27 pm Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus.

I suppose I like it more than Nautilus as well, but I don't like the KDE 3 
version nearly as much as Konqueror.  Heck, I don't even like it as much as 
the old gentoo file manager.

The superiority of Konqueror to Nautilus is one of the major reasons I prefer 
KDE to Gnome.



From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org  Mon Nov  3 20:10:23 2008
From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:10:23 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <200811031210.23250.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>

On Monday 03 November 2008 11:47:27 am Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think
> it's so bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and
> move my files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand if
> a file manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't
> work. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?

It could well be cause some people are not happy unless they are miserable!  

-- 
73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n><   PDGA# 35276
http://the-inner-circle.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Mon Nov  3 20:15:18 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:15:18 +0000
Subject: Hardy and Floppy Disk (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <490F3ACB.5060104@drofle.com>
References: <490EB6D2.2080806@drofle.com>
	<490F231F.2080302@drofle.com>	<490F2555.6010503@gmail.com>
	<490F3ACB.5060104@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <490F5BD6.30403@yahoo.it>

Neil Winchurst wrote:

> Yes, I know that floppies are supposed to be Stone Age now. However, my 
> computer came with a floppy drive when it was made for me so I decided 
> to use it.
> 
> I have my accounts on GNUCash, which creates a small text file, so I 
> keep a copy on a floppy disk as a back up. And it has proved very useful 
> more than once. It would be overkill to use a CD or a DVD for it.
> 

I'd not rely on a floppy as backup, they tend(ed) to get scratched or 
demagnetized too easily. What about a usb flash stick? They're a lot 
more resilient to cell phones :)
I.



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 20:18:14 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:18:14 +1000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <200811040618.15310.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:47:27 am Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think
> it's so bad. .. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?

Because they're stupid? :)

I don't get it either, I quite like Dolphin and never thought konqueror was 
that good a filemanager, its generally its a matter of opinion, not an 
absolute. 

With KDE 4.1.2 I now really quite like KDE 4 overall, now its my primary 
desktop. Finally past the beta stage Very usable I think, now its just refining 
features.

I do find this tendency of people to flame and call the developers "stupid" 
quite irritating and extremely childish. There are constructive ways to 
express criticism that adults use, until they grow up they should just STFU.

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From pfrancq at ulb.ac.be  Mon Nov  3 20:19:04 2008
From: pfrancq at ulb.ac.be (Pascal Francq)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:19:04 +0100
Subject: KUbuntu 8.10 and Eclipse
Message-ID: <200811032119.07693.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>

Hi,
Since I have install KUbuntu 8.10 (64 bits), when I work with Eclipse, 
sometimes it hangs and take 50% of my computer power. In fact, it seems like 
the GUI does not respond.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
-- 

Prof. Pascal Francq
Université Libre de Bruxelles
Avenue F.D. Roosevelt 50, CP 165/14
B-1050 Brussels
BELGIUM

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From gkourtev at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 20:35:52 2008
From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:35:52 +0200
Subject: Firefox and Thunderbirddo not work after update to KDE 8.10
In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0811020454x3f72166ei5b2ee77c5fc77cf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b91294ee0810310139r2b52548ay5d7430fcd1239724@mail.gmail.com>
	<3dde113c0811020454x3f72166ei5b2ee77c5fc77cf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b91294ee0811031235pe6b7d46y54e7662c4fea7ed7@mail.gmail.com>

I got this:

*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/firefox: double free or
corruption (fasttop): 0x09b9be90 ***

Followed by a long list of commands end the cursor stops at:

6ee430af32735b75db7f02b-x86.cache-2
b4c4f000-b4c50000 r--s 00000000 08:01 11280886   /var/cache/fontconfig
gk


2008/11/2 John DeCarlo <johndecarlo at gmail.com>

> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Georgi Kourtev <gkourtev at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> After updating from 8..04 to 8.10 Firefox and Thunderbird are not
>> working. Both programs are loaded in the task list but do not work at
>> all.  Any idea as these are the main programs I use?  Thanks.
>>
>
> One very useful troubleshooting approach is to start the program from a
> console.
>
> In the K menu, Applications, Utilities, Terminal Emulator.
>
> Then simply type "firefox".
>
> There will probably be error messages displayed that will help.
>
>
> --
> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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From herman.holmstrom at bostream.nu  Mon Nov  3 20:36:45 2008
From: herman.holmstrom at bostream.nu (Herman =?iso-8859-1?q?Holmstr=F6m?=)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:36:45 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811040618.15310.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040618.15310.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811032136.45604.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>

On Monday 03 November 2008 21:18:14 you wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:47:27 am Herman Holmström wrote:
> > Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> > Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people
> > think it's so bad. .. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?
>
> Because they're stupid? :)
>
> I don't get it either, I quite like Dolphin and never thought konqueror was
> that good a filemanager, its generally its a matter of opinion, not an
> absolute.
>
> With KDE 4.1.2 I now really quite like KDE 4 overall, now its my primary
> desktop. Finally past the beta stage Very usable I think, now its just
> refining features.
>
> I do find this tendency of people to flame and call the developers "stupid"
> quite irritating and extremely childish. There are constructive ways to
> express criticism that adults use, until they grow up they should just
> STFU.

I totally agree with you. While I'm always glad when people are replying, I 
was actually hoping the haters of Dolphin would post some of their reasons for 
not liking it.



From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr  Mon Nov  3 19:00:31 2008
From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:00:31 +0100
Subject: cant get udev rule to work... ?
Message-ID: <490F4A4F.1080303@wanadoo.fr>

Hi,

I followed this tutorial :
http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html

I have 2 TV cards : one pinnacle PCTV, and one Leadtek hybrid DVB/BTTV,
and what I need is to have the /dev/videoX device be made persistent
because the Leatek bttv part doesn't work. And even if it did, I don't
want to switch composite cable every time I restart.
Currently, when I start, the PCTV card can either be /dev/video0 or
/dev/video1

Si I wrote this udev rule :

$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules
ATTR{name}=="*video _WinFast DTV2000*",NAME="video0"
ATTR{name}=="*vbi _WinFast DTV2000*",NAME="vbi0"
ATTR{name}=="*video _Pinnacle
PCTV*",ATTR{card}=="39",NAME="video1",SYMLINK+="pctvvideo"
ATTR{name}=="*vbi _Pinnacle PCTV*",NAME="vbi1",SYMLINK+="pctvvbi"

I tried setting the name to whatever (video1, vide0, video2), and same
with the vbi device... but NOTHING works. There's no symlink, nothing.
When I try udevtest, I always have this output :

$ udevtest /sys/class/video4linux/video1
(... cut here ...)
parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules' as rules
file        
(... cut here ...)
import_uevent_var: import into environment: 'MAJOR=81'
import_uevent_var: import into environment: 'MINOR=1'
udevtest: looking at device
'/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:05:01.0/video4linux/video1' from
subsystem 'video4linux'
udev_rules_get_name: no node name set, will use kernel name 'video1'
udev_db_get_device: found a symlink as db file
udev_device_event: device
'/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:05:01.0/video4linux/video1'
already in database, cleanup
udev_node_add: creating device node '/dev/video1', major=81, minor=1,
mode=0660, uid=0, gid=44
udevtest: run: 'socket:/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event'
udevtest: run: 'socket:/org/kernel/udev/monitor

same output with
$ udevtest /class/video4linux/video1

And of course, when I reboot, there's no symlink, I can't be sure of the
device name, and tvtime has one chance out of two of working...
So I'm stuck.
I don't understand what's wrong with this udev rule. Would anyone have
any idea ?
Any help would be greatly appreciated !

Thanks

P.S : the PCTV udevinfo details are :
$ udevinfo -a -p
/sys/class/video4linux/video1                                                            


Udevinfo starts with the device specified by the devpath and then
walks up the chain of parent devices. It prints for every device
found, all possible attributes in the udev rules key format.    
A rule to match, can be composed by the attributes of the device
and the attributes from one single parent device.               

  looking at device
'/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:05:01.0/video4linux/video1':
   
KERNEL=="video1"                                                                  

   
SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux"                                                          

   
DRIVER==""                                                                        

   
ATTR{dev}=="81:1"                                                                 

    ATTR{name}=="BT878 video _Pinnacle PCTV
Stud"                                     
   
ATTR{card}=="39"                                                                  


  looking at parent device
'/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:05:01.0/video4linux':
   
KERNELS=="video4linux"                                                            

   
SUBSYSTEMS==""                                                                    

   
DRIVERS==""                                                                       


  looking at parent device '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:05:01.0':
    KERNELS=="0000:05:01.0"                                               
    SUBSYSTEMS=="pci"                                                     
    DRIVERS=="bttv"                                                       
    ATTRS{vendor}=="0x109e"                                               
    ATTRS{device}=="0x036e"                                               
    ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0xbd11"                                     
    ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x1200"
    ATTRS{class}=="0x040000"
    ATTRS{irq}=="22"
    ATTRS{local_cpus}=="ff"
    ATTRS{modalias}=="pci:v0000109Ed0000036Esv0000BD11sd00001200bc04sc00i00"
    ATTRS{broken_parity_status}=="0"
    ATTRS{msi_bus}==""

  looking at parent device '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0':
    KERNELS=="0000:00:1e.0"
    SUBSYSTEMS=="pci"
    DRIVERS==""
    ATTRS{vendor}=="0x8086"
    ATTRS{device}=="0x244e"
    ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x0000"
    ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x0000"
    ATTRS{class}=="0x060401"
    ATTRS{irq}=="0"
    ATTRS{local_cpus}=="ff"
    ATTRS{modalias}=="pci:v00008086d0000244Esv00000000sd00000000bc06sc04i01"
    ATTRS{broken_parity_status}=="0"
    ATTRS{msi_bus}=="1"

  looking at parent device '/devices/pci0000:00':
    KERNELS=="pci0000:00"
    SUBSYSTEMS==""
    DRIVERS==""





From gkourtev at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 20:39:11 2008
From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:39:11 +0200
Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working
In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0811020458y754439b9mca5d594904e91fd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<ge6n8l$k0g$1@ger.gmane.org> <490C7429.4050108@mail.ee>
	<490C74A6.1060102@mail.ee>
	<3dde113c0811020458y754439b9mca5d594904e91fd8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b91294ee0811031239x578972afla41ca7378dff1422@mail.gmail.com>

Might soound stupit, but beign new on Kubuntu, how did you instal the
.tar.bz2 file I got into /opt?  Thanks

2008/11/2 John DeCarlo <johndecarlo at gmail.com>

> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Edmund Laugasson <ed.lau at mail.ee> wrote:
>
>> > I tried again to completely remove firefox and all its configuration
>> > files and also ~/.mozilla folder but it didn't help :(
>>
>> I also removed xulrunner completely and after also installed back - didn't
>> help.
>>
>
>
> I managed to solve a problem like this by downloading Firefox from Mozilla,
> and installing it in /opt.
>
> The I just changed the menu to call /opt/firefox/firefox
>
>
> --
> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
>
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From gkourtev at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 20:41:25 2008
From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:41:25 +0200
Subject: Firefox 3.0.3 not working
In-Reply-To: <490E02B3.6040003@mail.ee>
References: <49058B0E.8070509@mail.ee> <200810271151.09683.dhcolesj@gmail.com>
	<ge6n8l$k0g$1@ger.gmane.org> <490C7429.4050108@mail.ee>
	<490C74A6.1060102@mail.ee>
	<3dde113c0811020458y754439b9mca5d594904e91fd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<490E02B3.6040003@mail.ee>
Message-ID: <b91294ee0811031241x31a192f1lbdcef8a41348d8ea@mail.gmail.com>

I have the same issue and still cannot solved it.

Furthermore, Thunderbird behave the same way -- opens and dies.
gk

2008/11/2 Edmund Laugasson <ed.lau at mail.ee>

> >>> I tried again to completely remove firefox and all its configuration
> >>> files and also ~/.mozilla folder but it didn't help :(
> >> I also removed xulrunner completely and after also installed back -
> didn't
> >> help.
> > I managed to solve a problem like this by downloading Firefox from
> Mozilla,
> > and installing it in /opt.
> > The I just changed the menu to call /opt/firefox/firefox
>
> I also tried that but Firefox didn't run either. Now I installed another PC
> and there is Firefox
> working fine.
>
> But that PC, where it isn't working, there I installed a lot (~1GB
> additional software) of different
> multimedia, graphics and educational software through Synaptic. Then I
> suddenly discovered - oops,
> Firefox is not working. But as I understood later, a lot of programs isn't
> guilty.
>
> I found through Google, that the problem is - if I had Firefox open during
> software (especially if
> Firefox were open during Firefox upgrade) upgrade/update - then this
> problem can be happen, that
> Firefox will no more working. Even if I removed Firefox and xulrunner
> completely (including conf
> files) and/or ~/.mozilla folder - it didn't help. But currently there isn't
> no one solution to fix
> that, at least I didn't find no one yet. If somebody does - please let us
> know!
>
> Thanks,
> Edmund
>
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From kassube at gmx.net  Mon Nov  3 20:53:21 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:53:21 +0100
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <200811032153.21301.kassube@gmx.net>

Nigel Ridley wrote:
> I just got a new SanDisk 2GB cruzer micro and formatted it to ext2
> (using qtparted). I then proceeded to copy just under 600MB of data ---
> it took more than 10 minutes!

10 min. would be 1MB/s write speed. What is the rated write speed of that 
device? I think 1MB/s is nothing unusual for a cheap flash disk. My FAT32 
formatted (no-name) USB stick would take about 7 minutes write time for a 
600MB file - that would be a similar (yes, I know waiting >3 more minutes 
is an eternity :) speed to yours.

> What's going on? Is it because of ext2? 
> Should I reformat it as ext3?

I don't think ext3 would help. With ext3 you have additional writes for 
the journal, i.e it would be even slower.

> This is on a Dell Inspiron 1525 (with USB 2).

The limit is the low write speed of the flash devices, not the USB speed.


Nils



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 20:54:39 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:54:39 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032136.45604.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040618.15310.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811032136.45604.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <f495db580811031254l3c1638cubcf18e58f60d4433@mail.gmail.com>

> I totally agree with you. While I'm always glad when people are replying, I
> was actually hoping the haters of Dolphin would post some of their reasons for
> not liking it.

I did not like it. I have not used the newer updated versions so this
is all about when it was first made standard in Kubuntu.
To start with it makes a little file in every directory it visits. I
really don't need 1000s of little Dolphin files all over the place. It
just looks bad (Files all over the place) and is poor programming
IMOHO. They could have done it with a little database somewhere or
just a file. Next, it can not show files like Konqueror can. If I have
an HTML file and click it with Konqueror I can view it. I can't do
that with Dolphin. And last of all it lacked buttons that I use all
the time in Konqueror. I did find that those buttons are there, if you
hunt for them and then modify the tool bar yourself. I also think I
had other problems with it but don't remember for sure any more. I
think it might have crashed on me a LOT.

The basic thing problem is, why take something away from me that works
well and replace it with something that at that point was still beta
like? It comes back to this thing about quality. I use my computer as
a tool. I don't want a working part of that tool replaced with
something that does not work yet. After a program sh*ts on you, you
really don't want to give it a second chance. I am sure someday I will
move to KDE4, when it is ready and be forced to give Dolphin a second
chance. By the sounds of it, they worked out the bugs now but it still
can't surf the web or do a lot of other things from what I have heard.

I really think that my favorite distro Kubuntu is suffering from a big
quality control issue. It looks like I might have to go to Lenny do
avoid this problem and that is really sad. I want to keep having my
Kubuntu and know that I can trust them to only make programs standard
that are mature enough to be used in a production settings. I have no
problem at all with the stuff being in the background like KDE4 was in
8.04. This is perfect! I love to test out the new stuff and report
back bugs. I would even be happy with a big desktop icon that
said,"Test ME, I am dolphin the new file manager". But please don't
make it default until it is really ready.

Hope I answered your question. My memory of exactly what was wrong is
a bit foggy at this point.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Mon Nov  3 20:54:49 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:54:49 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>

Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like Dolphin 
> a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think it's so 
> bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and move my 
> files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand if a file 
> manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't work. Why is 
> it that so many hates Dolphin?
>
>   
Since sometime before forever Konqueror was _the_ file browser/internet 
browser, and just all around Swiss Army Knife, of KDE. Dolphin is 
something "new" AND it _ISN'T_ Konqueror.

In other words, It's something new and different. People don't want "new 
and different". They want old and familiar.

In all honesty Konqueror was/is [ IMHO ] a much better file manager than 
it was/is a net browser. And it WAS/IS a really good file manager. It 
does some things much better than Dolphin. Supposedly KDE is intending 
to make Konqueror into more of an internet browser and much less a file 
manager in the future, thus the need for a new application for file 
management duties. Not so sure that's a good idea with all the great 
browsers out there already but that's their choice. It will have to make 
a few quantum leaps before I trade in Firefox for it.

Dolphin is a very handy lite duty file manager and I reach for it much 
more than I do Konqueror these days. I quite like Dolphin and when it 
matures a bit more people will most likely quit bitching about it.

-- 
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From david3333333 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 21:07:25 2008
From: david3333333 at gmail.com (David McNally)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:07:25 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <91b973500811031307r795fc975jb4c877399054fb90@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone.

Personally, I'm not big on Dolphin, and I prefer Nautilus, but I don't see
anything wrong with Dolphin. The only reason that I usually use Nautilus is
because I just usually use GNOME. I've never had much of a problem with
Dolphin; it's still pretty good.

Plus, I just finished my 1.5 year migration from Windows to Ubuntu, so I've
been using Windows Explorer for years. Compared to Explorer, Dolphin is
amazing.

David

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Herman Holmström <
herman.holmstrom at bostream.nu> wrote:

> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> Dolphin
> a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think it's so
> bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and move my
> files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand if a file
> manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't work. Why
> is
> it that so many hates Dolphin?
>
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From barnaby at drofle.com  Mon Nov  3 21:10:52 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:10:52 +0000
Subject: Hardy and Floppy Disk (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <490F5BD6.30403@yahoo.it>
References: <490EB6D2.2080806@drofle.com>	<490F231F.2080302@drofle.com>	<490F2555.6010503@gmail.com>	<490F3ACB.5060104@drofle.com>
	<490F5BD6.30403@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <490F68DC.9010607@drofle.com>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Neil Winchurst wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I know that floppies are supposed to be Stone Age now. However, my 
>> computer came with a floppy drive when it was made for me so I decided 
>> to use it.
>>
>> I have my accounts on GNUCash, which creates a small text file, so I 
>> keep a copy on a floppy disk as a back up. And it has proved very useful 
>> more than once. It would be overkill to use a CD or a DVD for it.
>>
> 
> I'd not rely on a floppy as backup, they tend(ed) to get scratched or 
> demagnetized too easily. What about a usb flash stick? They're a lot 
> more resilient to cell phones :)
> I.
> 

I have considered that too. When I asked about it in my local computer 
shop, (the people who built my computer for me) they said that memory 
sticks are not meant to be used for back-ups. I know that floppies can 
be a bit dodgy, so I actually keep two backups on separate disks.

Neil



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Mon Nov  3 21:16:06 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:16:06 -0600
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811031131.37395.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>	<gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811031131.37395.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F6A16.7050000@swbell.net>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Sunday 02 November 2008 08:54:18 am Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>   
>> I think there is no sense to post to developers list, as they will say they
>> are working on kde 4.X. Am I right?
>>     
>
> I think Kubuntu developers monitor this list.  As someone said Dolphin KDE 3 
> is a Kubuntu decision, not an upstream KDE one.  Also, forcing the 
> work-in-progress KDE 4 on Kubuntu 8.10 is a Kubuntu decision, not KDE.
>
> I have decided to opt for continuing KDE 3 until KDE 4 is ready.  I am 
> experimenting with Debian Lenny, as it will support KDE 3 for 3 years after 
> Etch is released, about 4 more years projected.  Once I get comfortable, my 
> Kubuntu box will become my experimental one, and Lenny for production.
>
> I don't understand why the Debian developers can continue to support KDE 3, 
> but the Kubuntu developers cannot.  This is the reason why Ubuntu 8.04 is 
> LTS, but Kubuntu 8.04 is not.  I understand that the Kubuntu team has blamed 
> it on loss of upstream KDE support, but for some reason, Debian does not have 
> a problem with this.
>
> The impression I get is that the Kubuntu team is targeting hobbyists and home 
> users and not business users.  Too bad.  If that is true, Kubuntu will never 
> be taken seriously.  I assume that is why OEMs, like Dell, are installing 
> Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu.
>
>   
>> Also politeness will not turn the fact that dolphin for kde is stupid into
>> the opposite.
>>     
>
> True, but it may get you help from someone who can, but is too offended to 
> offer.
>
>
>
>
>   

If 8.04/3.5.10 is working for you why do anything?

Support for 8.04 didn't end Saturday. It's still going to be supported 
for a while. Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not 
likely to just die any minute. If my computer was necessary for my work 
I wouldn't be in any hurry to change anything just because a number 
changes every six months.

I'm just an average "Joe Sixpack" type. My computer is a home computer 
used to browse the web, e-mail and do a little genealogy. I still use 
8.04/3.5.10 for everyday use, and will for some time yet. I do have 
8.10/4.x installed on another hard drive for my own testing.. I keep it 
updated regularly. When I feel like it's worth moving over I will, but 
not until.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From jonorland at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 21:21:41 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:21:41 +0100
Subject: Wine games in Kubuntu Intrepid
Message-ID: <b8d784880811031321v355ed429ybdc39d4387513e91@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Some nice tricks with xorg and serverlayout that perhaps will help
others so I post them here.

I have a two monitor setup on my nvidia card, one 19" and one 17". In
Hardy playing games (Warcraft 3) with wine worked fine but after I
haved installed Intrepid I noticed that the game/wine want grab the
mouse at the edges to my second monitor so it makes it hard to scroll
in the game with the mouse. And Desktop effects don't play well with
changing monitor layout/resolution.

One solution was to use nvidia-settings tool to deactivate the second
monitor and then deactivate the Desktop effects but this mess up the
desktop and after the game I have to logout, restart X and login
again.
So I was thinking why not add a new ServerLayout just for games in
xorg.conf where the second monitor is disabled and with no desktop
environment, just the game or a plain window manager?

After some reading and testing i came up with this.

The relevant sections from my xorg.conf. Of course you can add other options.
#######################################
Section "ServerLayout"
        Identifier      "GameLayout"
        Screen 0        "GameScreen" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier      "GameScreen"
        Monitor         "SyncMaster975MB
        Device          "GameVideoDevice"
        DefaultDepth    24
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier      "SyncMaster957MB"
EndSectio

Section "Device"
        Identifier     "GameVideoDevice"
        Driver          "nvidia"
        Option         "TwinView"      "0"
        Option         "ConnectedMonitor"      "CRT-0"
EndSection
#######################################

To be able to start a X you must change "allowed_users=console" in
/etc/X11/Xwrapper.config to "allowed_users=anybody".
You should now be able to start the new layout with a command like "X
:1 -layout GameLayout" and switch between the layouts with the
CTRL-ALT-Fx keys. To start a program in the new layout from the old
start them like this "DISPLAY=:1 xterm".

To be able to use sounds you must add yourself to the audio group. All
this I am sure could be wrapped up in a script that will start X and
your programs and added to the menu for easy access.

Any suggestions or improvements please post them.

/ Jonas



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 21:22:20 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:22:20 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <490F6A16.7050000@swbell.net>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>
	<gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>
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2008/11/3 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
> Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not
> likely to just die any minute.

KDE 3.x is still in active development. There may never be a KDE 3.6
but KDE 3.5.11 there will be.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From ed.lau at mail.ee  Mon Nov  3 21:22:40 2008
From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:22:40 +0200
Subject: Hardy and Floppy Disk (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <490F68DC.9010607@drofle.com>
References: <490EB6D2.2080806@drofle.com>	<490F231F.2080302@drofle.com>	<490F2555.6010503@gmail.com>	<490F3ACB.5060104@drofle.com>	<490F5BD6.30403@yahoo.it>
	<490F68DC.9010607@drofle.com>
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>>> Yes, I know that floppies are supposed to be Stone Age now. However, my 
>>> computer came with a floppy drive when it was made for me so I decided 
>>> to use it.
>>>
>>> I have my accounts on GNUCash, which creates a small text file, so I 
>>> keep a copy on a floppy disk as a back up. And it has proved very useful 
>>> more than once. It would be overkill to use a CD or a DVD for it.
>>>
>> I'd not rely on a floppy as backup, they tend(ed) to get scratched or 
>> demagnetized too easily. What about a usb flash stick? They're a lot 
>> more resilient to cell phones :)
>> I.
>>
> 
> I have considered that too. When I asked about it in my local computer 
> shop, (the people who built my computer for me) they said that memory 
> sticks are not meant to be used for back-ups. I know that floppies can 
> be a bit dodgy, so I actually keep two backups on separate disks.


What about MToolsFM? It uses mtools utilities, which are especially meant for DOS floppies. MToolsFM 
is a graphical frontend for mtools. It allows access to DOS-formatted media without mounting.

Homepage - http://mtoolsfm.sourceforge.net/

Can be installed:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install mtoolsfm && sudo ldconfig && sudo dpkg --configure -a 
&& sudo apt-get clean


$ sudo apt-cache show mtoolsfm
Package: mtoolsfm
Priority: optional
Section: universe/otherosfs
Installed-Size: 260
Architecture: i386
Version: 1.9-3-5ubuntu1
Filename: pool/universe/m/mtoolsfm/mtoolsfm_1.9-3-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
Size: 64018
Description: a graphical user interface for accessing dos formatted floppies
  MToolsFM is a graphical interface to the mtools package, which provides
  stateless (= no mounting) access to FAT (DOS) formatted floppy diskettes.



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 21:36:33 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:36:33 +0200
Subject: Wine games in Kubuntu Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811031321v355ed429ybdc39d4387513e91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8d784880811031321v355ed429ybdc39d4387513e91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F6EE1.90507@gmail.com>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Some nice tricks with xorg and serverlayout that perhaps will help
> others so I post them here.
> 
> I have a two monitor setup on my nvidia card, one 19" and one 17". In
> Hardy playing games (Warcraft 3) with wine worked fine but after I
> haved installed Intrepid I noticed that the game/wine want grab the
> mouse at the edges to my second monitor so it makes it hard to scroll
> in the game with the mouse. And Desktop effects don't play well with
> changing monitor layout/resolution.
> 
> One solution was to use nvidia-settings tool to deactivate the second
> monitor and then deactivate the Desktop effects but this mess up the
> desktop and after the game I have to logout, restart X and login
> again.
> So I was thinking why not add a new ServerLayout just for games in
> xorg.conf where the second monitor is disabled and with no desktop
> environment, just the game or a plain window manager?
> 
> After some reading and testing i came up with this.
> 
> The relevant sections from my xorg.conf. Of course you can add other options.
> #######################################
> Section "ServerLayout"
>         Identifier      "GameLayout"
>         Screen 0        "GameScreen" 0 0
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Screen"
>         Identifier      "GameScreen"
>         Monitor         "SyncMaster975MB
>         Device          "GameVideoDevice"
>         DefaultDepth    24
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Monitor"
>         Identifier      "SyncMaster957MB"
> EndSectio
> 
> Section "Device"
>         Identifier     "GameVideoDevice"
>         Driver          "nvidia"
>         Option         "TwinView"      "0"
>         Option         "ConnectedMonitor"      "CRT-0"
> EndSection
> #######################################
> 
> To be able to start a X you must change "allowed_users=console" in
> /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config to "allowed_users=anybody".
> You should now be able to start the new layout with a command like "X
> :1 -layout GameLayout" and switch between the layouts with the
> CTRL-ALT-Fx keys. To start a program in the new layout from the old
> start them like this "DISPLAY=:1 xterm".
> 
> To be able to use sounds you must add yourself to the audio group. All
> this I am sure could be wrapped up in a script that will start X and
> your programs and added to the menu for easy access.
> 
> Any suggestions or improvements please post them.
> 
> / Jonas
> 

that's very nice of you Jonas, and very instructive. i never knew i can
do such stuff with X. since i don't have 2 screens, i don't much need
this setup. but desktop effects are horrible with almost all fullscreen
applications, even non-fullscreen games. i make sure i disable them
before playing any game, or else my FPS would drop to around 10 with
very simple games. ctrl-alt-f12 is of course the fastest way to toggle
effects on and off.
thanks a bunch :-D

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From barnaby at drofle.com  Mon Nov  3 21:40:48 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:40:48 +0000
Subject: Hardy and Floppy Disk (SOLVED)
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Edmund Laugasson wrote:
> 
> 
> What about MToolsFM? It uses mtools utilities, which are especially meant for DOS floppies. MToolsFM 
> is a graphical frontend for mtools. It allows access to DOS-formatted media without mounting.
> 
> Homepage - http://mtoolsfm.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Can be installed:
> 
> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install mtoolsfm && sudo ldconfig && sudo dpkg --configure -a 
> && sudo apt-get clean
> 
> 
> $ sudo apt-cache show mtoolsfm
> Package: mtoolsfm
> Priority: optional
> Section: universe/otherosfs
> Installed-Size: 260
> Architecture: i386
> Version: 1.9-3-5ubuntu1
> Filename: pool/universe/m/mtoolsfm/mtoolsfm_1.9-3-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
> Size: 64018
> Description: a graphical user interface for accessing dos formatted floppies
>   MToolsFM is a graphical interface to the mtools package, which provides
>   stateless (= no mounting) access to FAT (DOS) formatted floppy diskettes.
> 
Well, I'm sure that would work well, but as I said my floppy disks are 
formatted as Ext2. There doesn't seem to be any problem with using them 
and having two should make it fairly safe. I don't really need to use 
anything with DOS formatting. Wow, that takes me back.

Neil



From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  3 21:42:56 2008
From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:42:56 +0000
Subject: Trying to install 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811020931.10973.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <20081101223759.5c2ccdfe@graham-desktop>
	<200811020931.10973.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081103214256.53b7c0fc@graham-desktop>

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:31:10 +1000
Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:37:59 am Graham Todd wrote:
> >
> > I downloaded the 64bit version of Kubuntu 8.10 and burnt it to disk
> > (CD).  However when running it to install, it stops when the screen
> > goes totally white and seems to freeze.  I cleaned the reader DVD,
> > and the same thing happened.
> 
> Have you tried running the text mode install.
> 
> 
Thanks for that, and the answer is - yes, I did.

Under it, the white screen vanishes and a black screen takes its place
with just a hint of a grey oblong appearing.

Then it loses connection through my ethernet cable........

Sorry, I just cant get Kubuntu 8.10 to install....

-- 
Graham Todd




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 21:43:39 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:43:39 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
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2008/11/3 Herman Holmström <herman.holmstrom at bostream.nu>:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like Dolphin
> a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think it's so
> bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and move my
> files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand if a file
> manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't work. Why is
> it that so many hates Dolphin?
>

Dolphin is far superior to Nautilus, however, it is not as usable as
Konqueror was in KDE 3. The current Dolphin does have some features
that Konqueror 3 did not have, but Konqueror 4 (as it uses the Dolphin
component for file management) does have those features.

The reason that Dolphin has a bad name is before it was released there
was an early alpha version called d3lphin. d3lphin was a very
difficult to use and problematic file manager, but worse, KDE 8.04
used it as the default file manager in KDE 3. That ruined the Dolphin
name for many people. Also, early versions of Dolphin in KDE 4.0 were
feature incomplete (like all of KDE 4.0).

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Mon Nov  3 21:47:06 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:47:06 +0000
Subject: Hardy and Floppy Disk (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <490F68DC.9010607@drofle.com>
References: <490EB6D2.2080806@drofle.com>	<490F231F.2080302@drofle.com>	<490F2555.6010503@gmail.com>	<490F3ACB.5060104@drofle.com>
	<490F5BD6.30403@yahoo.it> <490F68DC.9010607@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <490F715A.6090202@yahoo.it>

Neil Winchurst wrote:
> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>> Neil Winchurst wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I know that floppies are supposed to be Stone Age now. However, 
>>> my computer came with a floppy drive when it was made for me so I 
>>> decided to use it.
>>>
>>> I have my accounts on GNUCash, which creates a small text file, so I 
>>> keep a copy on a floppy disk as a back up. And it has proved very 
>>> useful more than once. It would be overkill to use a CD or a DVD for it.
>>>
>>
>> I'd not rely on a floppy as backup, they tend(ed) to get scratched or 
>> demagnetized too easily. What about a usb flash stick? They're a lot 
>> more resilient to cell phones :)
>> I.
>>
> 
> I have considered that too. When I asked about it in my local computer 
> shop, (the people who built my computer for me) they said that memory 
> sticks are not meant to be used for back-ups. I know that floppies can 
> be a bit dodgy, so I actually keep two backups on separate disks.

<scratching_head/> usb sticks not good for backup? That doesn't sound 
like a correct argument to me, but it might be that I'm missing some 
useful bit of information. As far as I know, some usb sticks may give 
trouble after some thousands rewrites of the same blocks, but recent 
stuff has embedded algorithms for rotation of sectors, so that should 
not happen, supposing a backup per day writing on the whole usb stick, 
for years. Given that the size involved are less than a couple of megs, 
I'd bet my next salary that floppies are bound to fail before the usb 
drive :) I'd like to know the reason for the recommendation, though, 
just to investigate further into my possible ignorance.
I.




From kassube at gmx.net  Mon Nov  3 21:58:08 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:58:08 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032136.45604.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040618.15310.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811032136.45604.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <200811032258.08748.kassube@gmx.net>

Herman Holmström wrote:
> While I'm always glad when people are 
> replying, I was actually hoping the haters of Dolphin would post some
> of their reasons for not liking it.

While I don't like Dolphin, I don't hate it either. Maybe that will change 
in the future, but for now I simply don't like Dolphin. It is just 
another program I don't like. IMHO, there need not be a particular 
reason. That's similar to prefering apples over pears or whatever.


Nils



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:04:47 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:04:47 +1000
Subject: Trying to install 8.10
In-Reply-To: <20081103214256.53b7c0fc@graham-desktop>
References: <20081101223759.5c2ccdfe@graham-desktop>
	<200811020931.10973.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<20081103214256.53b7c0fc@graham-desktop>
Message-ID: <200811040804.47596.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:42:56 am Graham Todd wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:31:10 +1000
>
>
> Under it, the white screen vanishes and a black screen takes its place
> with just a hint of a grey oblong appearing.

I'd guess that's the stage where it tries to fire up X - are you past all the 
disk config screens etc by then?

What Video do you have - onboard? card?

>
> Then it loses connection through my ethernet cable........

How do you tell that?

Are you driving this install from the console?

Sorry for all the questions :)



-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:06:28 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:06:28 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032136.45604.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040618.15310.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811032136.45604.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <200811031706.34693.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 3:36:45 pm Herman Holmström wrote:
>  I
> was actually hoping the haters of Dolphin would post some of their reasons
> for not liking it.

Dolphin in KDE 3 was a dumbed down version of a file manager, with far fewer 
features than konqueror.  To say that it is better than Nautilus is like 
saying one i486 PC is better than another i486 PC.  Neither of them are as 
good a a modern dual core processor.  And the latter would be Konqueror.  

Putting the file manager with the web browser, ftp client, network browser, 
etc., created a whole that was greater than the sum of its parts. 

Now in saying that Dolphin was "dumbed down", I am not saying it, or its 
developers are "stupid".  If you read the list archives of about a year ago 
when it was introduced (foisted upon us?), you will see that the defenders of 
it were touting its simplicity over functionality.  The idea was supposed to 
be "less intimidating" to new users.  

Maybe so.  I am not a new user.  I don't think new users should be treated 
condescendingly.  I was a new user once and am glad I discovered the "power" 
of great tools instead of being deprived of them for the sake of shielding me 
from their complexity.  I never understood "basic" and "advanced" modes.  
Even in my pre-Linux days, the first thing I did when I installed new 
software was to check the settings or options.  That seemed a good way to 
learn the program's features and get it to work the way I wanted it.

Like some others, I got rid of it and made Konqueror default again, so I 
haven't seen it in a while.

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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:05:58 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:05:58 +0200
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
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Nils Kassube wrote:
> Nigel Ridley wrote:
>> I just got a new SanDisk 2GB cruzer micro and formatted it to ext2
>> (using qtparted). I then proceeded to copy just under 600MB of data ---
>> it took more than 10 minutes!
> 
> 10 min. would be 1MB/s write speed. What is the rated write speed of that 
> device? I think 1MB/s is nothing unusual for a cheap flash disk. My FAT32 
> formatted (no-name) USB stick would take about 7 minutes write time for a 
> 600MB file - that would be a similar (yes, I know waiting >3 more minutes 
> is an eternity :) speed to yours.
> 

yes, 1 MB/s is a very good speed, i get worse and on FAT32 drives!
if you want a fast FS you might try reiserfs, there are ways to put it
with no journaling, and i've heard it's pretty faster than other FS,
though i have never tried reiser before!

>> What's going on? Is it because of ext2? 
>> Should I reformat it as ext3?
> 
> I don't think ext3 would help. With ext3 you have additional writes for 
> the journal, i.e it would be even slower.
> 

and i would never advice anyone to use journaled file systems on flash
drives or solid state HDs, since the huge amount of data written to the
same place on the disk (the journal) will eventually fry out the area,
and really decrease the life of the disk.

>> This is on a Dell Inspiron 1525 (with USB 2).
> 
> The limit is the low write speed of the flash devices, not the USB speed.
> 
> 
> Nils
> 


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:09:58 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:09:58 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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On Monday 03 November 2008 4:43:39 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> The reason that Dolphin has a bad name is before it was released there
> was an early alpha version called d3lphin. d3lphin was a very
> difficult to use and problematic file manager, but worse, KDE 8.04
> used it as the default file manager in KDE 3. That ruined the Dolphin
> name for many people.

I think that is exactly correct, except it was definitely the default for 
7.10, and possibly for 7.04.  It was really not ready then.

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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:10:25 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:10:25 +1000
Subject: cant get udev rule to work... ?
In-Reply-To: <490F4A4F.1080303@wanadoo.fr>
References: <490F4A4F.1080303@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <200811040810.25479.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:00:31 am Fred Schaer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I followed this tutorial :
> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
>
> I have 2 TV cards : one pinnacle PCTV, and one Leadtek hybrid DVB/BTTV,


You might be better asking this on the mythtv list - you may not be actually 
using mythtv but they do have a lot of experience with video cards and udev 
rules.


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From basroufs at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:17:20 2008
From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:17:20 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <c638edc20811031417w6f3be497we7605b07f40dac93@mail.gmail.com>

About one year ago, I started migrating from Windows XP to Kubuntu
7.10. The most practical file manager I found in 7.10 was Konqueror in
combination with KDE 3. For file management, I used Konqueror most of
the times. Only in some secondary cases, I also used Dolphin. It is
anyway good to have more than one tool for the same purpose.

At present, I am directly transferring from Kubuntu 7.10 to 8.10,, so
I have no comparative experience with Kub. 7.04. However it may be,
the Konqueror I found it in 'Ibex' has become less practical for me,
because it seems to be more complicated to navigate inbetween all the
maps and partitions of the PC. The contemporary version of Dolphin has
taking over some of the good qualities of Konqueror in Gutsy - it is
absolutely better than the Dolphin I know from Gutsy. On the other
hand, the interaction between the left hand navigation panel and the
right hand file list is still not very practical and flexible in the
Dolphin of today.

For web browsing I use in at least 95% of the cases Firefox. Sometimes
I use the browsing function of Konqueror for comparative reasons.

To finish this reflection: thank you to all those whose efforts have
contributed to the development of Kubuntu.

Respectfuly Yours,

Bas.



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NL-3514 VT  Utrecht
M. +31.6.446.835.10
T. +31.30.785.20.40
BasRoufs at gmail.com
===============



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:19:15 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:19:15 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032136.45604.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811040618.15310.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811032136.45604.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <490F78E3.2060002@gmail.com>

Herman � wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 21:18:14 you wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:47:27 am Herman Holmstr�m wrote:
>>> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
>>> Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people
>>> think it's so bad. .. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?
>> Because they're stupid? :)
>>
>> I don't get it either, I quite like Dolphin and never thought konqueror was
>> that good a filemanager, its generally its a matter of opinion, not an
>> absolute.
>>
>> With KDE 4.1.2 I now really quite like KDE 4 overall, now its my primary
>> desktop. Finally past the beta stage Very usable I think, now its just
>> refining features.
>>
>> I do find this tendency of people to flame and call the developers "stupid"
>> quite irritating and extremely childish. There are constructive ways to
>> express criticism that adults use, until they grow up they should just
>> STFU.
> 
> I totally agree with you. While I'm always glad when people are replying, I 
> was actually hoping the haters of Dolphin would post some of their reasons for 
> not liking it.
> 

i use intrepid, konqueror is now aweful since they removed a lot of it's
file browsing tools, and are not in dolphin yet :(
try selecting 10 folders in dolphin (KDE4) by means of a mouse box,
dolphin hangs for about 20 seconds before finally selecting them, why
the hell? it can't be low resources, i have 3 GHz CPU and 1.5 GB RAM!
and in general, everytime i click on something in dolphin, the program
hangs for a few seconds. i became very careful to not press anything,
unless i need it, not to press on blanks, it might hang, not to move the
mouse over a directory i'm not interested in, it might hang while
fetching information, not to touch anything in the side panels, it might
crash. this is freaking annoying! i was a mouse clicking happy person in
konqueror! i now set directories to open with konqueror in file
association. ad i rely a lot on the "quick access" plasmoid, i use it to
browse to the directory i want, and click open there. or even better,
use my always running konsole to cd somewhere and type konqueror there.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:22:04 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:22:04 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <490F6A16.7050000@swbell.net>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811031131.37395.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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On Monday 03 November 2008 4:16:06 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
> If 8.04/3.5.10 is working for you why do anything?

Because it will stop being supported in the fall of next year, where as lenny 
will be supported for a few more years.


>
> Support for 8.04 didn't end Saturday. It's still going to be supported
> for a while. 

Another year, and mostly just for security.


> Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not 
> likely to just die any minute. If my computer was necessary for my work
> I wouldn't be in any hurry to change anything just because a number
> changes every six months.

Your reasoning is exactly mine, but it is the nature of non-LTS *buntu to have 
short support cycles.  So I am opting to keep using the functioning KDE 3, 
but on a distro with longer term support for it.


>
> I'm just an average "Joe Sixpack" type. My computer is a home computer
> used to browse the web, e-mail and do a little genealogy. I still use
> 8.04/3.5.10 for everyday use, and will for some time yet. 

I use it for work.  I administer our network with it.  I am proud that I can 
perform most administrative tasks for a 20 server windows network without 
running a copy of windows on my desk.


> I do have 
> 8.10/4.x installed on another hard drive for my own testing.. I keep it
> updated regularly. When I feel like it's worth moving over I will, but
> not until.

I am thinking of upgrading 8.04 once I am comfortable with Lenny.  I'll log on 
to it periodically, and when KDE 4 is reliable and configurable, I may come 
back (or maybe I will like Debian more by then).


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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:23:44 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:23:44 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <490F6A16.7050000@swbell.net>
	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811031723.44591.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 4:22:20 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/3 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
> > Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not
> > likely to just die any minute.
>
> KDE 3.x is still in active development. There may never be a KDE 3.6
> but KDE 3.5.11 there will be.

So why did kubuntu/canonical decide they can no longer rely on upstream 
development to support 8.04 as LTS?
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From fred.schaer at free.fr  Mon Nov  3 22:23:21 2008
From: fred.schaer at free.fr (Frederic Schaer)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:23:21 +0100
Subject: cant get udev rule to work... ?
In-Reply-To: <200811040810.25479.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <490F4A4F.1080303@wanadoo.fr>
	<200811040810.25479.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F79D9.9060401@free.fr>

Hi thanks for the advice, I'll try to mail them...

Lindsay Mathieson a écrit :
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:00:31 am Fred Schaer wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I followed this tutorial :
>> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
>>
>> I have 2 TV cards : one pinnacle PCTV, and one Leadtek hybrid DVB/BTTV,
>>     
>
>
> You might be better asking this on the mythtv list - you may not be actually 
> using mythtv but they do have a lot of experience with video cards and udev 
> rules.
>
>
>   



From d.mcglone at att.net  Mon Nov  3 23:26:29 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:26:29 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811031210.23250.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811031210.23250.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
Message-ID: <200811031826.33625.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Monday 03 November 2008 3:10:23 pm Pastor JW wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 11:47:27 am Herman Holmström wrote:
> > Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> > Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people
> > think it's so bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to
> > browse and move my files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can
> > understand if a file manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well,
> > just doesn't work. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?
>
> It could well be cause some people are not happy unless they are miserable!

Amen!

-- 
David M.
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:30:58 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:30:58 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811031709.58168.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<880dece00811031343t66905cecp8d29ac8c5113a133@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811031709.58168.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031430y229dd487rc16d37df9ad19bae@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 4:43:39 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> The reason that Dolphin has a bad name is before it was released there
>> was an early alpha version called d3lphin. d3lphin was a very
>> difficult to use and problematic file manager, but worse, KDE 8.04
>> used it as the default file manager in KDE 3. That ruined the Dolphin
>> name for many people.
>
> I think that is exactly correct, except it was definitely the default for
> 7.10, and possibly for 7.04.  It was really not ready then.
>

I passed over 7.10 and had 7.04 very customized, so that may be
correct and I would not have known it.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:33:10 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:33:10 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <c638edc20811031417w6f3be497we7605b07f40dac93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<c638edc20811031417w6f3be497we7605b07f40dac93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031433hc3b0028sb885d956bbfdfd91@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Bas Roufs <basroufs at gmail.com>:
> However it may be,
> the Konqueror I found it in 'Ibex' has become less practical for me,
> because it seems to be more complicated to navigate inbetween all the
> maps and partitions of the PC.

Could you elaborate on this? You can mail me off-list if you prefer,
or start a new thread and cc me.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:34:34 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:34:34 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490F78E3.2060002@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040618.15310.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811032136.45604.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F78E3.2060002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031434o70d1161et902ff0d6f45792fe@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> i use intrepid, konqueror is now aweful since they removed a lot of it's
> file browsing tools, and are not in dolphin yet :(
> try selecting 10 folders in dolphin (KDE4) by means of a mouse box,
> dolphin hangs for about 20 seconds before finally selecting them, why
> the hell?

Known issue, and fixed upstream. My bug report :)

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:38:33 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:38:33 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811031723.44591.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <490F6A16.7050000@swbell.net>
	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811031723.44591.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031438v51d03c34v5a15f78df8fd3735@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 4:22:20 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 2008/11/3 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>> > Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not
>> > likely to just die any minute.
>>
>> KDE 3.x is still in active development. There may never be a KDE 3.6
>> but KDE 3.5.11 there will be.
>
> So why did kubuntu/canonical decide they can no longer rely on upstream
> development to support 8.04 as LTS?
>

I cannot speak for Canonical, I can only suppose that at the time that
decision was made (February or March if I remember correctly) the
future of KDE 3 was not as clear. Opensuse immediately ran with KDE 4
and a lot of the Suse devs are KDE devs as well. So at that time the
future of KDE 3 may have looked bleak. This is my speculation, mind
you, I do not represent Canonical.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Mon Nov  3 22:41:28 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:41:28 -0600
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021447.23805.kassube@gmx.net>	<gekbea$6t8$1@ger.gmane.org>	<200811031131.37395.art.alexion@gmail.com>	<490F6A16.7050000@swbell.net>
	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/3 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>   
>> Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not
>> likely to just die any minute.
>>     
>
> KDE 3.x is still in active development. There may never be a KDE 3.6
> but KDE 3.5.11 there will be.
>
>   
I stand corrected. Even less reason to make any drastic moves.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:50:45 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:50:45 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 5:41:28 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/11/3 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
> >  
> >
> >> Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not
> >> likely to just die any minute.
> >>    
> >
> > KDE 3.x is still in active development. There may never be a KDE 3.6
> > but KDE 3.5.11 there will be.
> >
> >  
>
> I stand corrected. Even less reason to make any drastic moves.

But, Billie, 8.04 will not likely get KDE 3.5.11 at this point, and 8.10 is 
not going back.  If you want 3.5.11, you will likely have to change distros.


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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 22:58:58 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:58:58 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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Art Alexion wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 5:41:28 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>> 2008/11/3 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>>> �
>>>
>>>> Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not
>>>> likely to just die any minute.
>>>> � �
>>> KDE 3.x is still in active development. There may never be a KDE 3.6
>>> but KDE 3.5.11 there will be.
>>>
>>> �
>> I stand corrected. Even less reason to make any drastic moves.
> 
> But, Billie, 8.04 will not likely get KDE 3.5.11 at this point, and 8.10 is 
> not going back.  If you want 3.5.11, you will likely have to change distros.
> 
>
why is that? they always put this stuff in a PPA, there's always people
that will package it and put it in some PPA


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From phantom21 at mindspring.com  Mon Nov  3 23:01:38 2008
From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:01:38 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <200811031801.39205.phantom21@mindspring.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 02:47:27 pm Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think
> it's so bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and
> move my files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand if
> a file manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't
> work. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?

When Dolphin came with KDE 3.5.9 I had used Konquerer for a long while.  It is 
about the best file manager I've had available to me.  It's also very useful 
as a web browser.

When Dolphin came along and the KDE people made it the default for file 
management I found it limited and limiting, with little of the capability 
Konq has.

As a result, I uninstalled it.

Plain and simple.

Mark



From cary at bielenberg.id.au  Mon Nov  3 23:04:39 2008
From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:04:39 +1000
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F8387.9050103@bielenberg.id.au>



Art Alexion wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 5:41:28 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
>   
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>     
>>> 2008/11/3 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>>>  
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not
>>>> likely to just die any minute.
>>>>    
>>>>         
>>> KDE 3.x is still in active development. There may never be a KDE 3.6
>>> but KDE 3.5.11 there will be.
>>>
>>>  
>>>       
>> I stand corrected. Even less reason to make any drastic moves.
>>     
>
> But, Billie, 8.04 will not likely get KDE 3.5.11 at this point, and 8.10 is 
> not going back.  If you want 3.5.11, you will likely have to change distros.
>
>
>   
I have been watching this thread/fight for a couple of days & shake my 
head in wonder, I personally dislike Dolphin but I don't use Konq 
either! My preference is Krusader. My reasons are that from a right 
click you can run a myriad of functions & if needed you can run it as root!

Sorry for the deviation but I thought I would add this to the pot!


Cary
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From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 23:06:08 2008
From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?utf-8?q?Gr=C3=BCn?=)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:06:08 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811040006.09124.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com>

Am Montag, 3. November 2008 23:50:45 schrieb Art Alexion:

> But, Billie, 8.04 will not likely get KDE 3.5.11 at this point, and 8.10 is
> not going back.  If you want 3.5.11, you will likely have to change
> distros.

I don't think that one needs to change distro's to get kde 3.5.11. Like with 
any other software, it's always possible to update without using the official 
repositories of Kubuntu. For the normal user, who is used Windows and 
the 'windows-functionality' from Kubuntu, this might be a bridge too far 
though.

-- 
Love and Light,
Ulrich
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From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Mon Nov  3 23:10:36 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:10:36 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811040618.15310.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040618.15310.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811031710.36415.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Monday November 3 2008 02:18:14 pm Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:47:27 am Herman Holmström wrote:
> > Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> > Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people
> > think it's so bad. .. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?
>
> Because they're stupid? :)
*snip*
> I do find this tendency of people to flame and call the developers "stupid"
> quite irritating and extremely childish. There are constructive ways to
> express criticism that adults use, until they grow up they should just
> STFU.

Unlike yourself, who is obviously the very voice of maturity ;)

chill out, I'm kidding-
pete
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 23:23:52 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:23:52 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811040006.09124.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811040006.09124.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031523o277b0bb1ub240c80a70cd6b7@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Ulrich Grün <ulrich.gruen at gmail.com>:
> I don't think that one needs to change distro's to get kde 3.5.11. Like with
> any other software, it's always possible to update without using the official
> repositories of Kubuntu. For the normal user, who is used Windows and
> the 'windows-functionality' from Kubuntu, this might be a bridge too far
> though.
>

For users who are used Windows and the 'windows-functionality' then
Dolphin, even d3lphin, are more than good enough!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From k7qo at commspeed.net  Mon Nov  3 23:27:27 2008
From: k7qo at commspeed.net (chuck adams)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:27:27 -0700
Subject: .wav conversion
Message-ID: <200811031627.27512.k7qo@commspeed.net>


Have a few hours recorded this weekend in a 2GB+
file in .wav format.

Is there an easy way via the command line to break
this up into multiple files and convert to CDDA or
whatever it is called in CD audio format.  This so that
a regular walkman CD player can use it.

I can not covert it to MP3 as I do not want any compression
at all.  None.  Nada.  Zilch.  

Any help greatly appreciated.

Also.  Why have a beta version of audacity as the default
repo version?  This caused me significant problems that
I may not be able to get by because I made the assumption
that is was OK.  Found a problem after I did the recording
this weekend.

FYI

chuck



From michael at weblore.com  Mon Nov  3 23:40:05 2008
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:40:05 -0600
Subject: Kaffeine Problem - Fix didn't work
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811010031s7cbf03dch9c430bdab0c3f12e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200810311142.18191.michael@weblore.com>
	<200810312350.52417.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
	<f495db580811010031s7cbf03dch9c430bdab0c3f12e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811031740.05433.michael@weblore.com>

On Saturday 01 November 2008 02:31:24 Knapp wrote:
>
>  OK then the next step is to start a CLI (a terminal window) and run
> it from there by typing it's name. Report back what it prints out
> there. It should give you some sort of error report when you try and
> play a dvd.
> The other thing to do is go into kaffeine and look at the settings for
> xine engine and see where it is looking for your dvd and let us know.
> Also look in your dev area and see where you DVD really is and let us
> know about that.
> --
> Douglas E Knapp

Sorry I was slow responding, I was out of town on business over the weekend. 
Here's the requested info, starting with the command:

kaffeine -d system:/media/scd0 DVD\ASSERT: "i <= nodes" 
in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.11.1 from http://xine.sf.net
libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.5 for DVD access
libdvdread: Attempting to use device /dev/sdb5 mounted on / for CSS 
authentication
libdvdread: Could not open /dev/sdb5 with libdvdcss.
libdvdread: Can't open /dev/sdb5 for reading
libdvdread: Device /dev/sdb5 inaccessible, CSS authentication not available.
libdvdnav: Can't read name block. Probably not a DVD-ROM device.
libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/michael/.dvdnav/.map'
libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed
libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed
libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.
libdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO
libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.11.1 from http://xine.sf.net
libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.5 for DVD access
libdvdread: Couldn't find device name.
libdvdnav: Can't read name block. Probably not a DVD-ROM device.
libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/michael/.dvdnav/.map'
libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed
libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed
libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.
libdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO




From paul at lemmons.name  Mon Nov  3 23:46:11 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:46:11 -0700
Subject: .wav conversion
In-Reply-To: <200811031627.27512.k7qo@commspeed.net>
References: <200811031627.27512.k7qo@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <490F8D43.2050304@lemmons.name>

-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: .wav conversion
From: chuck adams <k7qo at commspeed.net>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 11/03/2008 04:27 PM
> Have a few hours recorded this weekend in a 2GB+
> file in .wav format.
>
> Is there an easy way via the command line to break
> this up into multiple files and convert to CDDA or
> whatever it is called in CD audio format.  This so that
> a regular walkman CD player can use it.
>
> I can not covert it to MP3 as I do not want any compression
> at all.  None.  Nada.  Zilch.  
>
> Any help greatly appreciated.
>
> Also.  Why have a beta version of audacity as the default
> repo version?  This caused me significant problems that
> I may not be able to get by because I made the assumption
> that is was OK.  Found a problem after I did the recording
> this weekend.
>
> FYI
>
> chuck
>
>   
use k3b to burn the file to CD. It will convert it as it writes.

-- 
Sometimes I wonder.  Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it.

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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Mon Nov  3 23:55:00 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:55:00 -0600
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811031523o277b0bb1ub240c80a70cd6b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>	<200811040006.09124.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811031523o277b0bb1ub240c80a70cd6b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F8F54.3060804@swbell.net>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/4 Ulrich Grün <ulrich.gruen at gmail.com>:
>   
>> I don't think that one needs to change distro's to get kde 3.5.11. Like with
>> any other software, it's always possible to update without using the official
>> repositories of Kubuntu. For the normal user, who is used Windows and
>> the 'windows-functionality' from Kubuntu, this might be a bridge too far
>> though.
>>
>>     
>
> For users who are used Windows and the 'windows-functionality' then
> Dolphin, even d3lphin, are more than good enough!
>
>   
I don't believe Dolphin was anywhere in this particular branch of the 
thread. It's about KDE 3.x only.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.





From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 23:55:47 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:55:47 +0200
Subject: .wav conversion
In-Reply-To: <490F8D43.2050304@lemmons.name>
References: <200811031627.27512.k7qo@commspeed.net>
	<490F8D43.2050304@lemmons.name>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031555v59c34324rbc309d683ccd5bd3@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Paul Lemmons <paul at lemmons.name>:
>
> use k3b to burn the file to CD. It will convert it as it writes.
>

There is nothing to convert if the wav is uncompressed as the OP says
(yes, wav files can hold compressed audio). All k3b has to do is write
the PCM data as it is in the wav file, minus the headers.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:01:40 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:01:40 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <490F8F54.3060804@swbell.net>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811040006.09124.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811031523o277b0bb1ub240c80a70cd6b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F8F54.3060804@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031601i4e861bado77ca63a9007b1ae7@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
> I don't believe Dolphin was anywhere in this particular branch of the
> thread. It's about KDE 3.x only.
>

It's right there in the email header:
Subject: Re: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die

:)

If Dolphin must die, I wonder what must happen to explorer. I imagine
a Konqueror eating a Dolphin, using the bones of an Explorer for
utensils. Where is his Navigator, I wonder? At the Opera? (all this is
being written in Vimperator, by the way, hahaha)

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

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From basroufs at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:12:29 2008
From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:12:29 +0100
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
Message-ID: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dotan, Dear Everybody

You, Dotan, kindly asked me to elaborate on the following:

>> However it may be, the Konqueror I found it in 'Ibex' has become less practical for me,
>> because it seems to be more complicated to navigate inbetween all the
>> maps and partitions of the PC.

I am happy to explain this position a bit more.

In Gutsy, Kubuntu 7.10, I used the file management function of
Konqueror intensely. It was extremely practical for me because of at
least three important features.
One feature was the practical interaction between the left-hand
navigation panel and the right hand file lists. This feature allowed
me to quickly and easily copy-paste or move files and even whole
folders from wherever to wherever.
A second feature was the possibility to quickly navigate from anywhere
to everywhere trough out every part of the PC.
A third feature was the possibility to view the list of files on the
right hand panel in different ways: detailed-list, icon view, etc.

The file manage function of Konqueror is simply much more complicated
for me. Only navigation along  the  files and folders and in the HOME
directory seam to be easy. For all other partitions, I need to give in
a password, before proceeding. Via Konqueror at Ibex, I only manage to
access them via some complicated bypass: first I need to click at
'Media',  than I can click at the different single disks, partitions,
etc. Also copy-pasting and moving files/ folders has become more
complicated. The interaction between the left navigation panel and the
right hand file list is not so smooth any more.

If you need more feedback or reflection from my side, I am happy to
provide it to you, Dotan.

Respectfully Yours,

Bas.








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From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Tue Nov  4 00:23:17 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:23:17 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Monday November 3 2008 01:47:27 pm Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think
> it's so bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and
> move my files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand if
> a file manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't
> work. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?

Well, I've tried to stay as clear of this little flamewar as possible, but 
since you asked so nicely, here you go.

The first thing you should know as regards my viewpoint here is that I use 
Krusader. I mean, if it's Dolphin vs. Konqueror vs. nothing else, I'll go with 
Konqueror, but I am a huge Krusader fan, it's everything I could possibly ask 
for in a file manager. So my comparisons here will be Dolphin vs. Krusader. If 
you're not familiar with Krusader, see the following (the first is their 
homepage, the second is a pretty good intro column):
http://www.krusader.org/
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/krusader_one_file_manager_rule_them_all

0. Two-pane is the way, the truth, and the light. No, "split view" in Dolphin 
(or Konqueror for that matter) is not the same. A "real" two-pane file manager 
(also called an "orthodox file manager")... Here, see for yourself. --> 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_manager#Orthodox_file_managers

1. Dolphin lacks the ability to treat compressed files as virtual directories, 
something I use all the time in Krusader. Double-click a tar.gz file (or a .zip 
or a .rar or...) in Krusader, it opens it like a directory. I don't need Ark, 
Krusader handles it.

2. Built in directory synchronisation rocks my socks off.

3. There is a command line right there at the bottom of the Krusader window, 
and if you need to perform more complex tasks, there is an embedded terminal 
emulator. Which means I don't need to fire up Konsole either.

4. Useractions.

5. Built-in preview, file view, and disk usage display. 

6. Krusader's search utility kicks Dolphin's butt. I can take a list of search 
results and make a virtual directory out of them which I can then manipulate 
like any other directory full of files.

7. smb, fish, and ftp shares are treated the same way, as virtual directories 
in the window. It's just like clicking into a folder, and that's how it ought 
to be.

8. Often when I am absolutely forced to use Dolphin (because now it's 
integrated with everything, isn't that great?!), it will simply refuse to 
start on my machine unless I start it two or three times (at which point that 
many instances of Dolphin will start at the same time).

8.5. Dolphin's slow. Slow to start, slow to use. (This is not a Dolphin vs. 
Krusader comparison, it's just plain slow.) Amazing that one could strip out 
so much functionality from a file manager and still manage to make it *slower* 
than the one it's supposedly replacing.

9. Embedded text editor. One more thing that Dolphin just doesn't have.

10. Frankly, and this is just my opinion on aesthetics, I think Dolphin looks 
like a Playskool version of a file manager. I can't take myself seriously using 
something like that.

11. Does Dolphin even have tabs yet? (The answer to this may be yes, I don't 
know.)

I could go on and on and on about this (and I do), and it might seem that most 
of the things I listed aren't so much "things I don't like about Dolphin" as 
they are "things I like about Krusader," but that's the point. I am used to 
having this functionality, and Dolphin does not provide it and totally never 
will. To me that makes it about half a file manager, and I just have seen no 
compelling reasons to use it.

No, "It's not that bad!" is not a compelling reason to use it. If one person 
on this list can name one thing that Dolphin can do that Krusader cannot, I'll 
eat my hat. I'll even give half-points for naming something Dolphin can do 
that Konqueror can't.

best wishes-
p.daniels
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From d.mcglone at att.net  Tue Nov  4 01:25:03 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:25:03 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <490F8387.9050103@bielenberg.id.au>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<490F8387.9050103@bielenberg.id.au>
Message-ID: <200811032025.08100.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Monday 03 November 2008 6:04:39 pm Cary Bielenberg wrote:
> Art Alexion wrote:
> > On Monday 03 November 2008 5:41:28 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
> >> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >>> 2008/11/3 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
> >>>> Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not
> >>>> likely to just die any minute.
> >>>
> >>> KDE 3.x is still in active development. There may never be a KDE 3.6
> >>> but KDE 3.5.11 there will be.
> >>
> >> I stand corrected. Even less reason to make any drastic moves.
> >
> > But, Billie, 8.04 will not likely get KDE 3.5.11 at this point, and 8.10
> > is not going back.  If you want 3.5.11, you will likely have to change
> > distros.
>
> I have been watching this thread/fight for a couple of days & shake my
> head in wonder, I personally dislike Dolphin but I don't use Konq
> either! My preference is Krusader. My reasons are that from a right
> click you can run a myriad of functions & if needed you can run it as root!
>
> Sorry for the deviation but I thought I would add this to the pot!

Cary, when you mentioned this a couple days ago, you piqued my interest, 
because I remember crusader from like  the late KDE 1 stages or KDE 2 (can't 
remember) so I tried it. It is nice and I like it. Not that I would die over 
it but, I just wish there was an icon view. 

-- 
David M.
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov  4 00:28:02 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:28:02 -0600
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F9712.6030102@swbell.net>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 5:41:28 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
>   
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>     
>>> 2008/11/3 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>>>  
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not
>>>> likely to just die any minute.
>>>>    
>>>>         
>>> KDE 3.x is still in active development. There may never be a KDE 3.6
>>> but KDE 3.5.11 there will be.
>>>
>>>  
>>>       
>> I stand corrected. Even less reason to make any drastic moves.
>>     
>
> But, Billie, 8.04 will not likely get KDE 3.5.11 at this point, and 8.10 is 
> not going back.  If you want 3.5.11, you will likely have to change distros.
>
>
>   
With, or without, KDE 3.5.11 I seriously doubt that anything major will 
stop working within the next year that the core of Kubuntu 8.04 will 
continue to receive updates, and probably for quite some time after 
that. By then KDE 4.2 should be out and things should be getting much 
better in that respect. In nine months or so if I see that things aren't 
going to get better I may make other arraignments, but I don't expect 
that to happen.

Besides, as someone else said, KDE 3.5.11 will be available in some way 
whether in the (K)Ububntu repos or elsewhere.

I still don't see the necessity of jumping ship and running just because 
you don't like the newest and shiniest release. 8.04 will continue to 
get security updates for the next year. KDE 3.x will continue to 
function just the same for a minimum of that year and probably a few 
more after that unless some major catastrophe hits your computer. Your 
computer is et up and functioning just as you want it to. AND, I 
seriously doubt that there will be any quantum leaps in computer 
operating systems in the next year or so. So what's the big rush?

You [ generic - no one person in particular ] still have plenty of time 
to let the dust settle a little.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From rick0009 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:28:47 2008
From: rick0009 at gmail.com (Richard)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:28:47 -0500
Subject: Burning CD
Message-ID: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>

Try to burn a audio cd, in all seems well,
however, when playing the cd back, I notice, the volume
level are different on each songs...

How does one level out the volume for the audio tracks,
on a burn cd?

Are there any other application that I need to install?

Ubuntu 8.04

Thanks!
Rich

PS: My buddy uses Vista, and makes a perfect
audio cd.. he just had to rub that in.




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:30:46 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:30:46 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031630u3e045674l8f6f2fca24a7e5d5@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
> No, "It's not that bad!" is not a compelling reason to use it. If one person
> on this list can name one thing that Dolphin can do that Krusader cannot,
> I'll eat my hat. I'll even give half-points for naming something Dolphin can
> do that Konqueror can't.
>

Correctly display UTF-8 filenames on a remote server via SSH?
Konqueror always gives me gibberish.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov  4 00:33:29 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:33:29 -0600
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811031601i4e861bado77ca63a9007b1ae7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>	<200811040006.09124.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com>	<880dece00811031523o277b0bb1ub240c80a70cd6b7@mail.gmail.com>	<490F8F54.3060804@swbell.net>
	<880dece00811031601i4e861bado77ca63a9007b1ae7@mail.gmail.com>
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/4 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>   
>> I don't believe Dolphin was anywhere in this particular branch of the
>> thread. It's about KDE 3.x only.
>>
>>     
>
> It's right there in the email header:
> Subject: Re: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
>
> :)
>
> If Dolphin must die, I wonder what must happen to explorer. I imagine
> a Konqueror eating a Dolphin, using the bones of an Explorer for
> utensils. Where is his Navigator, I wonder? At the Opera? (all this is
> being written in Vimperator, by the way, hahaha)
>
>   
Thats a bit of a stretch. I did say "this particular branch of the 
thread". You know how these things tend to take on a life of their own.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Tue Nov  4 00:37:43 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:37:43 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <200811031837.44238.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

I'm sorry, folks. Didn't realize HTML was on. Thx for the heads-up, Dotan!

On Monday November 3 2008 01:47:27 pm Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think
> it's so bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and
> move my files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand if
> a file manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't
> work. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?

Well, I've tried to stay as clear of this little flamewar as possible, but 
since you asked so nicely, here you go.

The first thing you should know as regards my viewpoint here is that I use 
Krusader. I mean, if it's Dolphin vs. Konqueror vs. nothing else, I'll go with 
Konqueror, but I am a huge Krusader fan, it's everything I could possibly ask 
for in a file manager. So my comparisons here will be Dolphin vs. Krusader. If 
you're not familiar with Krusader, see the following (the first is their 
homepage, the second is a pretty good intro column):
http://www.krusader.org/
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/krusader_one_file_manager_rule_them_all

0. Two-pane is the way, the truth, and the light. No, "split view" in Dolphin 
(or Konqueror for that matter) is not the same. A "real" two-pane file manager 
(also called an "orthodox file manager")... Here, see for yourself. --> 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_manager#Orthodox_file_managers

1. Dolphin lacks the ability to treat compressed files as virtual directories, 
something I use all the time in Krusader. Double-click a tar.gz file (or a .zip 
or a .rar or...) in Krusader, it opens it like a directory. I don't need Ark, 
Krusader handles it.

2. Built in directory synchronisation rocks my socks off.

3. There is a command line right there at the bottom of the Krusader window, 
and if you need to perform more complex tasks, there is an embedded terminal 
emulator. Which means I don't need to fire up Konsole either.

4. Useractions.

5. Built-in preview, file view, and disk usage display. 

6. Krusader's search utility kicks Dolphin's butt. I can take a list of search 
results and make a virtual directory out of them which I can then manipulate 
like any other directory full of files.

7. smb, fish, and ftp shares are treated the same way, as virtual directories 
in the window. It's just like clicking into a folder, and that's how it ought 
to be.

8. Often when I am absolutely forced to use Dolphin (because now it's 
integrated with everything, isn't that great?!), it will simply refuse to 
start on my machine unless I start it two or three times (at which point that 
many instances of Dolphin will start at the same time).

8.5. Dolphin's slow. Slow to start, slow to use. (This is not a Dolphin vs. 
Krusader comparison, it's just plain slow.) Amazing that one could strip out 
so much functionality from a file manager and still manage to make it *slower* 
than the one it's supposedly replacing.

9. Embedded text editor. One more thing that Dolphin just doesn't have.

10. Frankly, and this is just my opinion on aesthetics, I think Dolphin looks 
like a Playskool version of a file manager. I can't take myself seriously using 
something like that.

11. Does Dolphin even have tabs yet? (The answer to this may be yes, I don't 
know.)

I could go on and on and on about this (and I do), and it might seem that most 
of the things I listed aren't so much "things I don't like about Dolphin" as 
they are "things I like about Krusader," but that's the point. I am used to 
having this functionality, and Dolphin does not provide it and totally never 
will. To me that makes it about half a file manager, and I just have seen no 
compelling reasons to use it.

No, "It's not that bad!" is not a compelling reason to use it. If one person 
on this list can name one thing that Dolphin can do that Krusader cannot, I'll 
eat my hat. I'll even give half-points for naming something Dolphin can do 
that Konqueror can't.

best wishes-
p.daniels
--



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:43:24 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:43:24 +0200
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
In-Reply-To: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, let's clear some things up and I'll file some bugs.

> One feature was the practical interaction between the left-hand
> navigation panel and the right hand file lists. This feature allowed
> me to quickly and easily copy-paste or move files and even whole
> folders from wherever to wherever.

Do you mean the tree view? If not, could you post a screenshot?

> A second feature was the possibility to quickly navigate from anywhere
> to everywhere trough out every part of the PC.

Via the addressbar? This is possible in Dolphin currently. If you mean
something else, then please elaborate.

> A third feature was the possibility to view the list of files on the
> right hand panel in different ways: detailed-list, icon view, etc.

These are available in Dolphin as well. If a particular view is
missing, please let me know.

> The file manage function of Konqueror is simply much more complicated
> for me. Only navigation along  the  files and folders and in the HOME
> directory seam to be easy. For all other partitions, I need to give in
> a password, before proceeding. Via Konqueror at Ibex, I only manage to
> access them via some complicated bypass: first I need to click at
> 'Media',  than I can click at the different single disks, partitions,
> etc.

I will try to confirm this in a few days and I will either file a bug
or ask you for more details.

> Also copy-pasting and moving files/ folders has become more
> complicated. The interaction between the left navigation panel and the
> right hand file list is not so smooth any more.
>

Please go into detail. If there is a regression then I'd like to
confirm it and post a bug.

> If you need more feedback or reflection from my side, I am happy to
> provide it to you, Dotan.
>

Not just me, the entire Kubuntu list is here to help.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:48:12 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:48:12 +0200
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>

Richard wrote:
> Try to burn a audio cd, in all seems well,
> however, when playing the cd back, I notice, the volume
> level are different on each songs...
> 
> How does one level out the volume for the audio tracks,
> on a burn cd?
> 
> Are there any other application that I need to install?
> 
> Ubuntu 8.04
> 
> Thanks!
> Rich
> 
> PS: My buddy uses Vista, and makes a perfect
> audio cd.. he just had to rub that in.
> 
> 

i'll assume you're using k3b, there is an option in the burn dialog to
level volumes. called "normalize volume levels", it's in the advanced
tab of the window that pops up when you click burn.
and did actually **vista** create the audio CD? or some program there
you have? in anyways, it doesn't really matter!

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:55:00 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:55:00 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811031630u3e045674l8f6f2fca24a7e5d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<880dece00811031630u3e045674l8f6f2fca24a7e5d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F9D64.3050000@gmail.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/4 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
>> No, "It's not that bad!" is not a compelling reason to use it. If one person
>> on this list can name one thing that Dolphin can do that Krusader cannot,
>> I'll eat my hat. I'll even give half-points for naming something Dolphin can
>> do that Konqueror can't.
>>
> 
> Correctly display UTF-8 filenames on a remote server via SSH?
> Konqueror always gives me gibberish.
> 

even worse. in both konqueror and dolphin, if i browse to any smb
location on the network that contains non-english letters in any
directory, even if it's one out of 1000 available directories, konqueror
would display a blank page, and dolphi would tell me that the process
for smb dies unexpectedly. very annoying. not sure if those windows
machines are using utf or some other encoding, they are all NTFS, if
that's any help, but no idea what encoding they use for these
non-english letters :-S

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:56:54 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:56:54 +0200
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031656i53af4bb0x7c87370ab598941@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Richard <rick0009 at gmail.com>:
> Try to burn a audio cd, in all seems well,
> however, when playing the cd back, I notice, the volume
> level are different on each songs...
>
> How does one level out the volume for the audio tracks,
> on a burn cd?
>
> Are there any other application that I need to install?
>
> Ubuntu 8.04
>
> Thanks!
> Rich
>
> PS: My buddy uses Vista, and makes a perfect
> audio cd.. he just had to rub that in.
>

If the mp3 tracks are from varying sources, then they probably need to
be leveled. Try burning with k3b, I remember there being such an
option there once. Or normalize in Audicity and then burn. Your Vista
friend either is burning leveled files, or the files are all from a
single source (and thus already leveled), or his burning application
levels without even asking him if he wants to or not. KDE programs
assume a competent user, not an idiot user, and thus don't
automatically change your files without you explicitely asking it to.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:59:23 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:59:23 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490F9D64.3050000@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<880dece00811031630u3e045674l8f6f2fca24a7e5d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F9D64.3050000@gmail.com>
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2008/11/4 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> even worse. in both konqueror and dolphin, if i browse to any smb
> location on the network that contains non-english letters in any
> directory, even if it's one out of 1000 available directories, konqueror
> would display a blank page, and dolphi would tell me that the process
> for smb dies unexpectedly. very annoying. not sure if those windows
> machines are using utf or some other encoding, they are all NTFS, if
> that's any help, but no idea what encoding they use for these
> non-english letters :-S
>

That's a bug. On the Windows machine run the command "chcp" to find
out what the codepage is, and file the bug at BKO. Thanks, Willy.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 01:01:05 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:01:05 +0200
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F9ED1.3000205@gmail.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Thanks, let's clear some things up and I'll file some bugs.
> 
>> One feature was the practical interaction between the left-hand
>> navigation panel and the right hand file lists. This feature allowed
>> me to quickly and easily copy-paste or move files and even whole
>> folders from wherever to wherever.
> 
> Do you mean the tree view? If not, could you post a screenshot?
> 
>> A second feature was the possibility to quickly navigate from anywhere
>> to everywhere trough out every part of the PC.
> 
> Via the addressbar? This is possible in Dolphin currently. If you mean
> something else, then please elaborate.
> 
>> A third feature was the possibility to view the list of files on the
>> right hand panel in different ways: detailed-list, icon view, etc.
> 
> These are available in Dolphin as well. If a particular view is
> missing, please let me know.
> 
>> The file manage function of Konqueror is simply much more complicated
>> for me. Only navigation along  the  files and folders and in the HOME
>> directory seam to be easy. For all other partitions, I need to give in
>> a password, before proceeding. Via Konqueror at Ibex, I only manage to
>> access them via some complicated bypass: first I need to click at
>> 'Media',  than I can click at the different single disks, partitions,
>> etc.
> 
> I will try to confirm this in a few days and I will either file a bug
> or ask you for more details.
> 
>> Also copy-pasting and moving files/ folders has become more
>> complicated. The interaction between the left navigation panel and the
>> right hand file list is not so smooth any more.
>>
> 
> Please go into detail. If there is a regression then I'd like to
> confirm it and post a bug.

i think i know what he means about copy paste. copy some files or
directories, anything. click ctrl-t for a new tab, go somewhere,
right-click, the paste button is grayed. back to the 1st tab, copy,
second tab, paste, voila it works. when you copy any file, you have to
paste it straight away, as soon as you change a single directory,
konqueror forgets what was copied, seems very strange.
> 
>> If you need more feedback or reflection from my side, I am happy to
>> provide it to you, Dotan.
>>
> 
> Not just me, the entire Kubuntu list is here to help.
> 


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 01:38:05 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:38:05 +0200
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
In-Reply-To: <490F9ED1.3000205@gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F9ED1.3000205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031738o39c6561ck2b5efd4192ebed15@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> i think i know what he means about copy paste. copy some files or
> directories, anything. click ctrl-t for a new tab, go somewhere,
> right-click, the paste button is grayed. back to the 1st tab, copy,
> second tab, paste, voila it works. when you copy any file, you have to
> paste it straight away, as soon as you change a single directory,
> konqueror forgets what was copied, seems very strange.

Thanks, Willy, I will verify this in a few days and file a bug. I'll
post it here.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 01:41:14 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:41:14 +0200
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031741x6f51872ey549ef2219fe6e7b8@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/3 Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:
> I just got a new SanDisk 2GB cruzer micro and formatted it to ext2 (using qtparted).
> I then proceeded to copy just under 600MB of data --- it took more than 10 minutes! What's going
> on? Is it because of ext2? Should I reformat it as ext3?
> This is on a Dell Inspiron 1525 (with USB 2).
>
> Blessings,
>
> Nigel

Do you have any particular reason for formatting as ext2? USB flash
drives are very good for using across multiple computers, therefore I
format as FAT 32 so that the occasional Windows machine will recognize
it. I have the same drive, by the way, though I am not sure what speed
it runs at.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Tue Nov  4 02:25:14 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:25:14 +0200
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811031741x6f51872ey549ef2219fe6e7b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
	<880dece00811031741x6f51872ey549ef2219fe6e7b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490FB28A.7090807@prayingforisrael.net>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/3 Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:
>> I just got a new SanDisk 2GB cruzer micro and formatted it to ext2 (using qtparted).
>> I then proceeded to copy just under 600MB of data --- it took more than 10 minutes! What's going
>> on? Is it because of ext2? Should I reformat it as ext3?
>> This is on a Dell Inspiron 1525 (with USB 2).
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Nigel
> 
> Do you have any particular reason for formatting as ext2? USB flash
> drives are very good for using across multiple computers, therefore I
> format as FAT 32 so that the occasional Windows machine will recognize
> it. I have the same drive, by the way, though I am not sure what speed
> it runs at.
> 

Yes, as a backup of important files that I change day-by-day, and therefore I want to keep 
permissions etc.

Blessings,

Nigel

-- 



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 02:28:13 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:28:13 +0200
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <490FB28A.7090807@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
	<880dece00811031741x6f51872ey549ef2219fe6e7b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<490FB28A.7090807@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031828pd301361vb96843599af178eb@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:
> Yes, as a backup of important files that I change day-by-day, and therefore I want to keep
> permissions etc.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Nigel
>

I see.

-- 
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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Tue Nov  4 02:31:06 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:31:06 +0200
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <200811032153.21301.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811032153.21301.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <490FB3EA.8010608@prayingforisrael.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Nigel Ridley wrote:
>> I just got a new SanDisk 2GB cruzer micro and formatted it to ext2
>> (using qtparted). I then proceeded to copy just under 600MB of data ---
>> it took more than 10 minutes!
> 
> 10 min. would be 1MB/s write speed. What is the rated write speed of that 
> device? I think 1MB/s is nothing unusual for a cheap flash disk. My FAT32 
> formatted (no-name) USB stick would take about 7 minutes write time for a 
> 600MB file - that would be a similar (yes, I know waiting >3 more minutes 
> is an eternity :) speed to yours.
> 
>> What's going on? Is it because of ext2? 
>> Should I reformat it as ext3?
> 
> I don't think ext3 would help. With ext3 you have additional writes for 
> the journal, i.e it would be even slower.
> 
>> This is on a Dell Inspiron 1525 (with USB 2).
> 
> The limit is the low write speed of the flash devices, not the USB speed.

It is a 'SanDisk Cruzer Micro Skin' and it specifically says that it is "Hi-speed USB 2.0 Flash 
Drive" and that it "Hi-speed USB 2.0 port required for high speed data transfer".

My Inspirion 1525 definitely has a hi-speed USB 2.0 port.

Any clues?

Blessings,

Nigel

> 
> 
> Nils
> 


-- 



From grey at dmiyu.org  Tue Nov  4 03:12:56 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:12:56 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>

Herman Holmström wrote:
> Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?

    Because it is full of fail as a file manager?  I've been meaning to write
this for a while now.  So here goes.  Take a look at the following image, I'll
be referencing it a lot.  Notice that this is with KDE 4.1.2 so it is a fairly
recent version of Dolphin.  However it isn't 8.10 but I doubt much has changed
in the points I'm about to make.

    On the left is Konqueror displaying my home directory in the details view.
  Note the URL display at the top, the Back/Forward/Up buttons and notice that
it doesn't take up very much screen real estate.  All of those are very
important for the following reasons.

1: URL lets me know quickly where I am as well as allow me to quickly access
other areas not only of my local file system but remote file systems through
SMB://, FISH://, FTP:// (etc, etc, etc) links.

2: The Back/Foward buttons aren't entirely needed but the up is because moving
*up* the directory structure is as important as moving down.  Moving down is
simple, click on the folders in the main display.

3: With the small screen footprint I can put two of these on the screen
side-by-side I can quickly copy/move files between two directories with
minimal fuss.

    Now, on the right I present Dolphin in all it's fail.  Note that the
actual display in the middle is a tad larger than the Konqueror window.  I
didn't think to resize them to match until after taking and uploading the
screenshot.  But notice the large wasted space to the left and right.  The
"places" panel is pretty much useless.  Case in point, my Virtual Machine *has
no floppy!*  On the right side we have a big honkin' icon which is just a
replication of the tiny icon in the details view itself.  It also helpfully
tells me information which is already in the detail view.  So that, too is
useless.  Why those are turned on by default is beyond me.  They do nothing
but waste space!

    The next step of fail is... no URL bar.  Great, I'm in HOME.  Yay.  The
path is?  Oh, no idea.  I can enter a new path where?  Oh, I have to pull up a
real location bar to do that.  Compared to Konqueror's view, useless.

    Finally the biggest fail of them all.  The one that shows how flat out
dumb the developers are.  Go ahead, navigate from /home/grey to /home.  Oh,
awwwww, *NO UP ARROW*!  I could configure it and add it in.  I could learn
ALT-UP by looking at the "Go" menu.  I could hit CNTL-L to bring up the URL
bar to type in /home.  I could click on "Root" in the oh-so-useless "places"
panel and navigate back down to /home.  But who in their right mind hides the
second most important navigation option for a filesystem *BY DEFAULT*?!

    FAIL!

    By default Dolphin is larger, less informative, less useful and harder to
use.  It can be wrestled into some semblance of usability but to do so would
mean arm-wresling it to look like... Konqueror!  So why go through all the
trouble when we can just use the sensible and highly usable software in the
first place.

    And that is why Dolphin is hated.  Loathed.  Shunned.  And rightly so.  It
is, in a phrase, a case study on how not to make a file manager.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Tue Nov  4 03:15:16 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:15:16 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <200811032215.16932.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008, Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think
> it's so bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and
> move my files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand if
> a file manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't
> work. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?

For me, Krusader is for the hardcore and I love it.

Dolphin is slow as sin and missing lots of features (selection of files, 
namely the filter bar just ain't the same), but fairly usable, honestly. Konq 
is unstable, but useful (and missing lots of features from it's 3.x days).



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 03:33:01 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:33:01 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <880dece00811031933v2f2fefcdh92fd6298b7fffb3@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org>:
> Take a look at the following image, I'll
> be referencing it a lot.

The image was scrubbed. Please email it to me personally or host it
somewhere (imageshack). Thanks.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
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From grey at dmiyu.org  Tue Nov  4 03:39:23 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:39:23 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <490FC3EB.2000802@dmiyu.org>

p.daniels wrote:
> 8.5. Dolphin's slow. Slow to start, slow to use. (This is not a Dolphin
> vs. Krusader comparison, it's just plain slow.) Amazing that one could
> strip out so much functionality from a file manager and still manage to
> make it *slower* than the one it's supposedly replacing.

    Actually, after looking at the home page for Krusader I am actually
shocked Dolphin was ever made.  Supposedly the whole reason for Dolphin's
being was to be a separate file manager independent of other components.  I
can respect that, really, I can.

    From Krusader's home page.  It's been around for 7 years now.  IE, it is a
dedicated file manager that has had years to mature.

    "We need a discrete file manager to take over for the code we no longer
want to maintain in Konqueror.  Do we incorporate this stable, mature,
powerful piece of software or start from scratch!?"

    "START FROM SCRATCH!!!"  "YEA!!!!"

    My brain hurts now.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From grey at dmiyu.org  Tue Nov  4 03:43:22 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:43:22 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811031933v2f2fefcdh92fd6298b7fffb3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
	<880dece00811031933v2f2fefcdh92fd6298b7fffb3@mail.gmail.com>
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/4 Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org>:
>> Take a look at the following image, I'll
>> be referencing it a lot.

> The image was scrubbed. Please email it to me personally or host it
> somewhere (imageshack). Thanks.

    No, I was too busy working up a good froth to actually C&P it into the
message..

http://www.dmiyu.org/~grey/vm-dolphin_v_konq.jpg

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       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From cary at bielenberg.id.au  Tue Nov  4 03:46:00 2008
From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:46:00 +1000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490FC3EB.2000802@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<490FC3EB.2000802@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <490FC578.40006@bielenberg.id.au>



Steve Lamb wrote:
> p.daniels wrote:
>   
>> 8.5. Dolphin's slow. Slow to start, slow to use. (This is not a Dolphin
>> vs. Krusader comparison, it's just plain slow.) Amazing that one could
>> strip out so much functionality from a file manager and still manage to
>> make it *slower* than the one it's supposedly replacing.
>>     
>
>     Actually, after looking at the home page for Krusader I am actually
> shocked Dolphin was ever made.  Supposedly the whole reason for Dolphin's
> being was to be a separate file manager independent of other components.  I
> can respect that, really, I can.
>
>     From Krusader's home page.  It's been around for 7 years now.  IE, it is a
> dedicated file manager that has had years to mature.
>
>     "We need a discrete file manager to take over for the code we no longer
> want to maintain in Konqueror.  Do we incorporate this stable, mature,
> powerful piece of software or start from scratch!?"
>
>     "START FROM SCRATCH!!!"  "YEA!!!!"
>
>     My brain hurts now.
>
>   
The only problem with Krusader (not really krusaders fault) it needs to 
install a lot of dependencies like krename unarj etc to get It's full 
potential! other than that it is wonderful piece of kit.


Cary
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From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Tue Nov  4 04:21:29 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:21:29 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490FC3EB.2000802@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<490FC3EB.2000802@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811032221.30135.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Monday November 3 2008 09:39:23 pm Steve Lamb wrote:
>     Actually, after looking at the home page for Krusader I am actually
> shocked Dolphin was ever made.  Supposedly the whole reason for Dolphin's
> being was to be a separate file manager independent of other components.  I
> can respect that, really, I can.
>
>     From Krusader's home page.  It's been around for 7 years now.  IE, it
> is a dedicated file manager that has had years to mature.
>
>     "We need a discrete file manager to take over for the code we no longer
> want to maintain in Konqueror.  Do we incorporate this stable, mature,
> powerful piece of software or start from scratch!?"
>
>     "START FROM SCRATCH!!!"  "YEA!!!!"
>
>     My brain hurts now.

Well, in defense of the decision (not the application itself, but the 
rationale of writing a new stand-alone file manager), Krusader is not for 
wussies. It's not what folks are accustomed to. You have to learn stuff. You 
might even have to Read The Friendly Manual. I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, 
but it's true. If I'm a n00b and I can't even figure out the file manager, it's 
probably going to be a deal-breaker. So no, as much as I love Krusader I've 
also got to admit that it's targeted to a very specific group of people, which 
does not include the majority of the public (or even the Linux using public).

Another large reason for the creation of Dolphin was the "visual overload" 
complaint about Konqueror, especially its settings dialog, and Krusader's a 
beast, it's the Swiss Army File Manager. (Now, I don't believe that an 
application as central to your computer use as your file manager can ever be 
"too configurable," but that's a whole other flamewar.)

-pete



From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Tue Nov  4 04:30:54 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:30:54 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811032230.55309.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Monday November 3 2008 09:12:56 pm Steve Lamb wrote:
*snip*
>     And that is why Dolphin is hated.  Loathed.  Shunned.  And rightly so. 
> It is, in a phrase, a case study on how not to make a file manager.

+1 Insightful.

-pete



From grey at dmiyu.org  Tue Nov  4 04:41:26 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:41:26 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032221.30135.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>	<490FC3EB.2000802@dmiyu.org>
	<200811032221.30135.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <490FD276.3010006@dmiyu.org>

p.daniels wrote:
> Well, in defense of the decision (not the application itself, but the 
> rationale of writing a new stand-alone file manager), Krusader is not for 
> wussies. It's not what folks are accustomed to. You have to learn stuff. You 
> might even have to Read The Friendly Manual. I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, 
> but it's true.

    I may be showing my inner curmudgeon but tell those people to toughen up.
 Krusader pretty much mirrors MC which itself harkens back to Norton Commander
on DOS which itself was created to *simplify* managing files.  It's days like
this that putting head into drawer and slamming repeatedly looks so appealing.
 *sigh*


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From godshatter at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 04:58:37 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:58:37 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032221.30135.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>	<490FC3EB.2000802@dmiyu.org>
	<200811032221.30135.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <490FD67D.6020102@yahoo.com>

p.daniels wrote:
> On Monday November 3 2008 09:39:23 pm Steve Lamb wrote:
>   
>>     Actually, after looking at the home page for Krusader I am actually
>> shocked Dolphin was ever made.  Supposedly the whole reason for Dolphin's
>> being was to be a separate file manager independent of other components.  I
>> can respect that, really, I can.
>>
>>     From Krusader's home page.  It's been around for 7 years now.  IE, it
>> is a dedicated file manager that has had years to mature.
>>
>>     "We need a discrete file manager to take over for the code we no longer
>> want to maintain in Konqueror.  Do we incorporate this stable, mature,
>> powerful piece of software or start from scratch!?"
>>
>>     "START FROM SCRATCH!!!"  "YEA!!!!"
>>
>>     My brain hurts now.
>>     
>
> Well, in defense of the decision (not the application itself, but the 
> rationale of writing a new stand-alone file manager), Krusader is not for 
> wussies. It's not what folks are accustomed to. You have to learn stuff. You 
> might even have to Read The Friendly Manual. I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, 
> but it's true. If I'm a n00b and I can't even figure out the file manager, it's 
> probably going to be a deal-breaker. So no, as much as I love Krusader I've 
> also got to admit that it's targeted to a very specific group of people, which 
> does not include the majority of the public (or even the Linux using public).
>
> Another large reason for the creation of Dolphin was the "visual overload" 
> complaint about Konqueror, especially its settings dialog, and Krusader's a 
> beast, it's the Swiss Army File Manager. (Now, I don't believe that an 
> application as central to your computer use as your file manager can ever be 
> "too configurable," but that's a whole other flamewar.)
>
> -pete
>
>   

I think my biggest concerns with dolphin have to do with the 
presentation.  The left pane is more or less useless to me, or it would 
be if there was an up button.  To maneuver around correctly, you have to 
go to the root folder every now and then and then navigate back down to 
where you want to go.  I don't find that all that intuitive for new 
users.  Having a left and a right window pane also really cuts down on 
the actual content you are supposed to be looking at.  Dolphin does, in 
my opinion, look nicely professional.

Konqueror seems like a good balance to me for the new user.  It has 
back, forward, up, home, and refresh icons that all browser users are 
familiar with.  It also has the location bar, which users are also 
familiar with, and it doesn't hide where you actually are in the file 
system.  I think the idea that users get confused easily and you should 
go out of your way to hide vital information from them is a legacy of 
Microsoft that we should be striving to do away with.   Don't try to 
overwhelm them all  at once, ok, but don't take away from them what they 
need to navigate easily or to learn their system.  Konqueror also has 
the explorer-like folder tree on the left, which users are probably 
already familiar with.  The only confusing thing for them is probably 
the icons on the far left side, but they can ignore them for the most 
part without penalty.  I use konqueror a lot for sorting pictures into 
directories, and it's great for that.  You can put it in info list mode, 
add two or three new vertical location panes, and you have a really 
useful application.  You get a nice popup image when you put your cursor 
over an item that is bigger and more informative than that pane on the 
right. Konqueror looks more utilitarian, but also professional.

I've played around with krusader, and it is amazingly useful.  I just 
haven't taken the time to internalize it's functionality into my daily 
routine.  Maybe someday.  Krusader looks like it was made by programmers 
for other programmers.  Which is fine for me, but the moment a casual 
user clicks on the Useractions menu, it's all over.

Paul




From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 05:00:55 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:00:55 +0200
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <490FB3EA.8010608@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811032153.21301.kassube@gmx.net>
	<490FB3EA.8010608@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <a86b2f600811032100m762dae77p349cfd96a878d3d6@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
Here's an idea: try formatting the flash in a solid state file system. Here
is a list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_systems#Flash_memory_.2F_solid_state_media_file_systems

I'd try my luck with JFFS2 or YAFFS1 or YAFFS2, as they both seem to be
free. I Have no hands on experience with solid state file systems though.

Bogdan

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>wrote:

> Nils Kassube wrote:
> > Nigel Ridley wrote:
> >> I just got a new SanDisk 2GB cruzer micro and formatted it to ext2
> >> (using qtparted). I then proceeded to copy just under 600MB of data ---
> >> it took more than 10 minutes!
> >
> > 10 min. would be 1MB/s write speed. What is the rated write speed of that
> > device? I think 1MB/s is nothing unusual for a cheap flash disk. My FAT32
> > formatted (no-name) USB stick would take about 7 minutes write time for a
> > 600MB file - that would be a similar (yes, I know waiting >3 more minutes
> > is an eternity :) speed to yours.
> >
> >> What's going on? Is it because of ext2?
> >> Should I reformat it as ext3?
> >
> > I don't think ext3 would help. With ext3 you have additional writes for
> > the journal, i.e it would be even slower.
> >
> >> This is on a Dell Inspiron 1525 (with USB 2).
> >
> > The limit is the low write speed of the flash devices, not the USB speed.
>
> It is a 'SanDisk Cruzer Micro Skin' and it specifically says that it is
> "Hi-speed USB 2.0 Flash
> Drive" and that it "Hi-speed USB 2.0 port required for high speed data
> transfer".
>
> My Inspirion 1525 definitely has a hi-speed USB 2.0 port.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Blessings,
>
> Nigel
>
> >
> >
> > Nils
> >
>
>
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>
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From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net  Tue Nov  4 05:19:55 2008
From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:19:55 -0800
Subject: 8.10 impressions
In-Reply-To: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au>
References: <200810122328.09940.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <200811032119.56464.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>

On Sunday 12 October 2008 06:28:09 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> Well, since I managed hose my package dependencies and nuke my KDE setup
> (hint: don't use the Citadel hardy repo to install Citadel) I thought I'd
> give the Intrepid Beta a try. My home directory resides on a separate hard
> disk so its relatively easy.
>
> The CD install is easier than ever, no difficulties with hardware etc. The
> manual partition setup made it very easy to select my second hard disk for
> the home directory without formating it, while erasing my old hardy primary
> install. From CDROM boot to up and running with a new install was 15
> minutes, amazingly fast and straightforward. My sound, network, usb
> printer, keyboard and mouse were all correctly detected – particularly
> impressed with the printer detection, even got the exact model (Samsung
> ML2010). I was browsing the web right away, no doubt this was far faster
> than I could have with XP or Vista.
>
> My LCD was being driven in native 1280x104 (VESA mode?) Of course my
> onboard nvidia 6100 was not configured but I managed to enable it via the
> restricted hardware applet. Had to hunt for that through the menus and it
> failed the first time. Second time was fine.
>
> Nice new feature in the restricted dialog, like envy it gives you a choice
> of driver versions, for now 173, 177 (recommended) and 96.
>
> Install Scores out of 10:
> ----------------------------------
> Ease of Use : 10
> Hardware Detection : 9 (Would be 10 if Canonical could auto setup
> restricted drivers).
> Newbie friendliness : 9.5

I agree with the addition below.

Stability: 7

Now that I did a fresh install, I can understand completely the quandary that 
Canonical had in deciding between 8.10 with KDE 3.5 or with KDE 4.1, or a 
stable release that couldn't be supported for 3 years versus a new release 
that isn't ready for LTS.

In the three days I have had it installed, I have witnessed a number of minor 
crashes in KDEPIM, KMenuEdit, and several times where setting changes did not 
take hold when "apply" is pressed.  Vast majority strictly in the KDE arena, a 
couple of things in other programs, one driver issue.  No show stoppers yet.

Features: 8

Lots of little tools and settings that were incorporated in KDE 3.5 that have 
not yet been ported into KDE 4.  Menu system, IMHO, is horrible.  I ended up 
remembering discussion on this, and consequently loading Lancelot.  This 
answered 90% of my concerns with menus.  I looked all over the place to find a 
way to change the background on each desktop, couldn't find it.  Kuser is not 
yet incorporated in system settings.

Over coming days/weeks I will be making concerted effort to report the little 
bugs I am seeing on launchpad.  KDE4 is a really good start, but only a start. 
I am very much looking forward to the upcoming revisions.

> Its really that good – I am way impressed. Anyone casually familiar with
> computers could be up and running with minimal to no hand holding – so long
> as they had non funky hardware :) But that applies to every system.
>
> Desktop
> -----------
> I erased my Hardy .kde & .kde4 entries, I wanted a fresh setup – don't know
> how well they would have migrated.
> It is KDE 4.1.2 of course, plasma through and through. I've got quite used
> to it, definitely way more usable than 4.0. I actually quite like the new
> menu now. Still sucks finding programs on it but once you get your
> favourites setup that's not such an issue. I'm a command line junkie
> anyway.
>
> There's a decent set of plasmoid's in the repos now, but you have to know
> how to search for them (apt-cache search plasmoid) and how to configure
> them. I think there's a need for a plasmoid wizard here.
>
> Kontact – still has all the same old bugs as ever, or more accurately Kmail
> does. IMAP works so long as you don't stress it. Forget about using the
> groupware features for anything except contacts. However it does look great
> and integrates well. And Aggregator is brilliant.
>
> Hardware
> -------------
> Well all my hardware worked fine :) but nothing fancy there. However one
> big improvement which I presume is down to the new kernel – for the first
> time ever with my board sound still works after a hibernate or suspend. In
> fact Amarok resumes playing perfectly after a restore. This means I may
> never reboot again
>
> :)
>
> Over all I'm really pleased with this release, normally I don't run beta's
> on my desktop but this has been well worth it.
>
> --
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album




From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Tue Nov  4 06:08:50 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:08:50 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490FD276.3010006@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811032221.30135.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<490FD276.3010006@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811040108.50889.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008, Steve Lamb wrote:
> p.daniels wrote:
> > Well, in defense of the decision (not the application itself, but the
> > rationale of writing a new stand-alone file manager), Krusader is not for
> > wussies. It's not what folks are accustomed to. You have to learn stuff.
> > You might even have to Read The Friendly Manual. I'm being
> > tongue-in-cheek here, but it's true.
>
>     I may be showing my inner curmudgeon but tell those people to toughen
> up. Krusader pretty much mirrors MC which itself harkens back to Norton
> Commander on DOS which itself was created to *simplify* managing files. 
> It's days like this that putting head into drawer and slamming repeatedly
> looks so appealing. *sigh*

Oh PUHLEASE. Krusader, is, in a phrase: A Big, Fat Toolbox. Those who know how 
to use all of the tools are mechanics...those who know how to use the ratchet 
can tighten bolts and nuts, and are useful, though not as useful as the 
mechanics. Those, like you, look at the toolbox and say "Gee, that's a lot to 
learn and I don't wanna, so I'll insult the toolbox."

The guys who write Krusader deserve my thanks for keeping power in the app, 
even if it's a bit messy. Messy is good, life is messy.

And if that is all you have to add, my advice to you is: slam harder.



From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Tue Nov  4 06:17:58 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:17:58 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490FD67D.6020102@yahoo.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811032221.30135.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<490FD67D.6020102@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200811040117.58392.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> I think my biggest concerns with dolphin have to do with the
> presentation.  The left pane is more or less useless to me, or it would
> be if there was an up button.  To maneuver around correctly, you have to

Agreed. You can add an Up button, which I did.

> go to the root folder every now and then and then navigate back down to
> where you want to go.  I don't find that all that intuitive for new
> users.  Having a left and a right window pane also really cuts down on
> the actual content you are supposed to be looking at.  Dolphin does, in
> my opinion, look nicely professional.

True on both counts. When Dolphin has Icon view on and isn't maximized 
vertically, you can see about 2 files because there is so little space. The 
giant SVG icon on the right of the drive icon is gorgeous though, but kind of 
useless.

> Konqueror seems like a good balance to me for the new user.  It has
> back, forward, up, home, and refresh icons that all browser users are
> familiar with.  It also has the location bar, which users are also
> familiar with, and it doesn't hide where you actually are in the file

Yes, but unfortunately, Konq has a ton of other things that a new user will F 
the S out of his system with. In KDE 3, there was "Simple File Management 
mode" somewhere, and it seemed like a good balance. The profile management 
also needs a lot of usability work.




From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 06:44:00 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:44:00 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <490FEF30.8040204@gmail.com>

Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like Dolphin 
> a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think it's so 
> bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and move my 
> files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand if a file 
> manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't work. Why is 
> it that so many hates Dolphin?
> 
Most people who dislike Dolphin do it because they are used to Konqueror 
as a file/web browser and consider it much better. In fact the decision 
to develop Dolphin as a "file-only" browser is what is being questioned.

Sinclair



From kassube at gmx.net  Tue Nov  4 06:38:17 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:38:17 +0100
Subject: .wav conversion
In-Reply-To: <200811031627.27512.k7qo@commspeed.net>
References: <200811031627.27512.k7qo@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <200811040738.17614.kassube@gmx.net>

chuck adams wrote:
> Have a few hours recorded this weekend in a 2GB+
> file in .wav format.
>
> Is there an easy way via the command line to break
> this up into multiple files and convert to CDDA or
> whatever it is called in CD audio format.  This so that
> a regular walkman CD player can use it.

Sox is the swiss army knife of command line sound processing. I suggest 
you also install the libraries for the various sound formats. You can 
install all of them at once with the package libsox-fmt-all.


Nils



From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 07:12:37 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:12:37 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490FF5E5.7010408@gmail.com>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 5:41:28 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>> 2008/11/3 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>>>  
>>>
>>>> Even though KDE 3.5.10 is no longer in development it's not
>>>> likely to just die any minute.
>>>>    
>>> KDE 3.x is still in active development. There may never be a KDE 3.6
>>> but KDE 3.5.11 there will be.
>>>
>>>  
>> I stand corrected. Even less reason to make any drastic moves.
> 
> But, Billie, 8.04 will not likely get KDE 3.5.11 at this point, and 8.10 is 
> not going back.  If you want 3.5.11, you will likely have to change distros.
> 
> 
> 
Apparently OpenSuse will continue to package KDE 3.5 as an alternative:
http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/09/kde-in-opensuse-111-and-beyond/
I dont feel one bit like changing distro as I am using 2 Dell laptops 
and they do work best with (K)Ubuntu but I might give it a try just to 
see how it works

Sinclair



From grey at dmiyu.org  Tue Nov  4 07:52:06 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:52:06 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811040108.50889.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811032221.30135.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>	<490FD276.3010006@dmiyu.org>
	<200811040108.50889.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
Message-ID: <490FFF26.4020007@dmiyu.org>

Brendan wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> p.daniels wrote:
>>> Well, in defense of the decision (not the application itself, but the
>>> rationale of writing a new stand-alone file manager), Krusader is not for
>>> wussies. It's not what folks are accustomed to. You have to learn stuff.
>>> You might even have to Read The Friendly Manual. I'm being
>>> tongue-in-cheek here, but it's true.
>>     I may be showing my inner curmudgeon but tell those people to toughen
>> up. Krusader pretty much mirrors MC which itself harkens back to Norton
>> Commander on DOS which itself was created to *simplify* managing files. 
>> It's days like this that putting head into drawer and slamming repeatedly
>> looks so appealing. *sigh*

> mechanics. Those, like you, look at the toolbox and say "Gee, that's a lot to 
> learn and I don't wanna, so I'll insult the toolbox."

[snippage]

> And if that is all you have to add, my advice to you is: slam harder.

    Uh, Brendon, where did I slam Krusader in there?  Hint, read my first
sentence in the context of what the previous author wrote and you'll find that
you've just insulted the choir.  :P

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Tue Nov  4 07:58:07 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:58:07 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490FFF26.4020007@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040108.50889.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
	<490FFF26.4020007@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811040258.07899.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Steve Lamb wrote:
>     Uh, Brendon, where did I slam Krusader in there?  Hint, read my first
> sentence in the context of what the previous author wrote and you'll find
> that you've just insulted the choir.  :P

I was replying to this: " It's days like this that putting head into drawer 
and slamming repeatedly looks so appealing. *sigh*"

And, it's Brendan, Stave.





From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch  Tue Nov  4 08:31:32 2008
From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:31:32 +0100
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <c34709020811040031h348feba5nc4329a792e6cf38e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ray,

sorry, but I can't understand your message :(

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone out there no of an linux/kubuntu apps that is able to monitor the
> dial-up using the amount
> have used in the previous sessions on daily basis plus monthly then store
> all this info for counting
> purposes.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>



-- 
Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE!
http://www.fsfe.org
Please don't send me proprietary file formats,
use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300)



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 08:45:21 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:45:21 +0100
Subject: Kaffeine Problem - Fix didn't work
In-Reply-To: <200811031740.05433.michael@weblore.com>
References: <200810311142.18191.michael@weblore.com>
	<200810312350.52417.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
	<f495db580811010031s7cbf03dch9c430bdab0c3f12e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811031740.05433.michael@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811040045n1cfe8b14hae1f0fcd6fa7b3da@mail.gmail.com>

/dev/sdb5

libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/michael/.dvdnav/.map'

I am not sure about these 2 things. First what does your system look
like? How many drives do you have? Do you have 6 of them? Where are
they mounted? Is sdb5 really your DVD?

I think we need more help here. Anyone?
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From grey at dmiyu.org  Tue Nov  4 09:07:09 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:07:09 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811040258.07899.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811040108.50889.mailinglist@endosquid.com>	<490FFF26.4020007@dmiyu.org>
	<200811040258.07899.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
Message-ID: <491010BD.9040203@dmiyu.org>

Brendan wrote:
> I was replying to this: " It's days like this that putting head into drawer 
> and slamming repeatedly looks so appealing. *sigh*"

    *sigh*  And this is exactly one of those times.  Fine, let me spell it out
for you.

    P.Daniels wrote, "It's not what folks are accustomed to. You have to learn
stuff. You might even have to Read The Friendly Manual. I'm being
tongue-in-cheek here, but it's true."

    I then stated that said people, IE, folks who are not accustomed to
Krusader's display and who are apparently allergic to reading manuals and
actually learning something should toughen up.  I then went on to support my
position by pointing out that Krusader's display is a GUIfied version of
Midnight Commander (mc) which in turn is a clone of Norton Commander on DOS.
The ending of my train of thought was that the ironic twist that Norton
Commander was created to simplify the task of file management on DOS.

    What that means is that people who are not accustomed to something like
Krusader and refuse to actually learn something by poking at a manual now and
then are apt to shun a tool who's lineage harkens to the simplification of the
task at hand!  The fact that the developers of Dolphin are trying to simplify
the process because the simplification is too hard.  It is this process of
catering to the willfully ignorant that I feel is a root of many problems and
for which I sometimes feel sticking my head into a drawer and slamming it
closed a few times would be less painful than having to deal with the abhorant
software decisions made to cater to those who are seemingly unwilling to put
forth any effort to becoming productive and saving time in the long run.

    Considering I just posted a rather long message describing why Dolphin is
full of fail and Pete's message was in response to me lambasting KDE
developers for choosing to begin development on Dolphin from scratch as
opposed to utilizing an existing, mature and powerful tool in Krusader I am at
a complete loss as to how you could possible consider my statement as bashing
Krusader.  There simply is no connection!

> And, it's Brendan, Stave.

    Yes it is, unfortunately your name isn't in the to field, scrolled off the
top of my message and I've known several Brendons in my life.  No need to get
rude about a simple mistake that's easily corrected.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:09:31 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:09:31 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008, Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of
> gnome, and I like Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I
> just don't understand why people think it's so bad. I
> mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse
> and move my files. Which pretty much any file manager
> does. I can understand if a file manager is utterly
> retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't work. Why is
> it that so many hates Dolphin?

1. Being forced to use it by default.

2. Poor use of on-screen space, showing information in 
panels that I only need occasionally. This is achieved much 
better by tool tips than wasting screen real estate.

3. It is cluttered and poorly thought out to look at, and 
merely seems like some other piece of software is being 
copied in order to 'stay with the gang', Instant impression 
was its trying to be like some well known m$ software.

4. Software panels that keep reconfiguring themselves after 
one has made setting changes is not f****ing friendly but 
stupid as someone else said. Years ago when I wrote 
software I would never do that to my users.

5. There is a perfectly good file manager called Konqueror 
which I have grown to love, if I want to use another 
filemanager, which I do occasionally, I use Krusader. I 
would never use D**phin and never will.

6. After having D**phin installed as default and the 
experience of its constant rearranging of *my* settings, it 
is unlikely I will ever look at this bit of softare again, 
*EVER*.

7. Just for good measure, its pig ugly!

nepal.



From kaj at haulrich.net  Tue Nov  4 09:27:39 2008
From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:27:39 +0100
Subject: A compromise solution.
Message-ID: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>

Just in case someone here ran into the same sort of problems as I 
did, I'll share a few ideas:

I tried several times to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10: no go. 
Everything locked up. Then, fresh install: still no go, only the 
upper half of my screen was visible. After some fiddling with 
X.org.conf I got a full screen and began to use KDE4. Then I 
discovered - like many others here - that I had lost a lot of 
functionality, especially Konqueror, but lots of other things too, 
like all the options to customize my desktop easily.

OK, i gave up. Here's what I did in order to get happy again:

Fresh install of Ubuntu 8.10. Well, no decent file manager here 
either, only the crappy nautilus. But the install went without a 
hiccup. Then, installed kubuntu-desktop, kmail etc.. Fine, but still 
no usable file manager. Installed krusader, which is a bit 'over the 
top' for me. So I found a fine compromise between unusable Dolphin 
and the geeky Krusader: 'emelfm2' (sudo apt-get install emelfm2).

So, now I have the best of two worlds: KDE + Gnome + a very fine and 
potent file manager with a intuitive, graphic interface. Now I can 
keep on upgrading both flavours automagically until KDE4 reaches 
maturity. Happy days are here again...

Kaj Haulrich.
-- 
*** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer ***
********* Running Linux Ubuntu 8.10 *********




From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:32:33 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:32:33 +0100
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811040132wad7333ci5a4dedf99c93ce69@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Richard <rick0009 at gmail.com>:
> Try to burn a audio cd, in all seems well,
> however, when playing the cd back, I notice, the volume
> level are different on each songs...
>
> How does one level out the volume for the audio tracks,
> on a burn cd?
>
> Are there any other application that I need to install?
>
> Ubuntu 8.04
>
> Thanks!
> Rich
>
> PS: My buddy uses Vista, and makes a perfect
> audio cd.. he just had to rub that in.
>

Using audio normalization when burning an album can have some side
effects a better method would be to use Replay Gain per album. If you
store the Replay Gain in the mp3 frames as not in the tags it should
be used when burning the CD.

There are programs for Replay Gain,  mp3gain, vorbisgain and aacgain
in the repro and a frontend eastMP3Gain if you don't want to use CLI.

Something to read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_normalization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_Gain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3Gain
http://sourceforge.net/projects/easymp3gain/

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:52:02 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:52:02 +0100
Subject: Kaffeine Problem - Fix didn't work
In-Reply-To: <200811031740.05433.michael@weblore.com>
References: <200810311142.18191.michael@weblore.com>
	<200810312350.52417.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
	<f495db580811010031s7cbf03dch9c430bdab0c3f12e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811031740.05433.michael@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811040152j7bf977c0jac5b9a417b488ced@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Michael Satterwhite <michael at weblore.com>:
> Sorry I was slow responding, I was out of town on business over the weekend.
> Here's the requested info, starting with the command:
>
> kaffeine -d system:/media/scd0 DVD\ASSERT: "i <= nodes"
> in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
> ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
> ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
> ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
> ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
> libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.11.1 from http://xine.sf.net
> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.5 for DVD access
> libdvdread: Attempting to use device /dev/sdb5 mounted on / for CSS
> authentication
> libdvdread: Could not open /dev/sdb5 with libdvdcss.
> libdvdread: Can't open /dev/sdb5 for reading
> libdvdread: Device /dev/sdb5 inaccessible, CSS authentication not available.
> libdvdnav: Can't read name block. Probably not a DVD-ROM device.

Looking at the output Kaffein/xine think /dev/sdb5 is your DVD so it
must be some settings messing with you.
We must know what devices you, can you give us the output of this command?

ls -l /dev/s[cdr]*
ls -l /dev/{dvd*,cd*}

And just to be sure try to remove the xine configuration files, this
should be theme.
~/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine
~/kde/share/config/kaffeinerc
~/.xine

/ Jonas



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:52:32 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:52:32 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <490FF5E5.7010408@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<490FF5E5.7010408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811040152n3fdb7ae8i8be1b773e393048b@mail.gmail.com>

> Apparently OpenSuse will continue to package KDE 3.5 as an alternative:
> http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/09/kde-in-opensuse-111-and-beyond/
> I dont feel one bit like changing distro as I am using 2 Dell laptops
> and they do work best with (K)Ubuntu but I might give it a try just to
> see how it works
>
> Sinclair

I think this email goes to the core of the problem of making a default
that is not yet ready to be the default software. I have at this point
lost count of the number of people that have stated that they will try
other distros. I am sure of lot of them have no intention of staying
with the new distro and will come screaming back here to a familiar
bed but some WILL leave and that weakens Kubuntu and Ubuntu brand in
general. When the Devs start doing stuff that makes a bunch of the
core posters try other Distros then something has gone VERY wrong. I
too find my self in this boat. Stay and change to KDE4 in a year or
else leave to something like Debian or maybe Sabayon.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From girardhenri at free.fr  Tue Nov  4 09:53:14 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:53:14 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <1225792394.22106.2.camel@ri>

I like dolphin at the beginning i used it ... well not much...
but now i don't use anything else ... In fact i have very little to do
with it... Most I do with mc ! :)
but for everyday's life dolphin is perfect : quick and convivial
 

Le mardi 04 novembre 2008 à 09:09 +0000, nepal a écrit :
> On Monday 03 November 2008, Herman Holmström wrote:
> > Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of
> > gnome, and I like Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I
> > just don't understand why people think it's so bad. I
> > mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse
> > and move my files. Which pretty much any file manager
> > does. I can understand if a file manager is utterly
> > retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't work. Why is
> > it that so many hates Dolphin?
> 
> 1. Being forced to use it by default.
> 
> 2. Poor use of on-screen space, showing information in 
> panels that I only need occasionally. This is achieved much 
> better by tool tips than wasting screen real estate.
> 
> 3. It is cluttered and poorly thought out to look at, and 
> merely seems like some other piece of software is being 
> copied in order to 'stay with the gang', Instant impression 
> was its trying to be like some well known m$ software.
> 
> 4. Software panels that keep reconfiguring themselves after 
> one has made setting changes is not f****ing friendly but 
> stupid as someone else said. Years ago when I wrote 
> software I would never do that to my users.
> 
> 5. There is a perfectly good file manager called Konqueror 
> which I have grown to love, if I want to use another 
> filemanager, which I do occasionally, I use Krusader. I 
> would never use D**phin and never will.
> 
> 6. After having D**phin installed as default and the 
> experience of its constant rearranging of *my* settings, it 
> is unlikely I will ever look at this bit of softare again, 
> *EVER*.
> 
> 7. Just for good measure, its pig ugly!
> 
> nepal.
> 




From myriam at ubuntu.com  Tue Nov  4 09:54:31 2008
From: myriam at ubuntu.com (Myriam Schweingruber)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:54:31 +0100
Subject: update to 8.04 issue
In-Reply-To: <MPG.2376cf195cbc4c46989b70@news.gmane.org>
References: <MPG.2376cf195cbc4c46989b70@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <c34709020811040154u734b1b86m8794f33fde6d7900@mail.gmail.com>

Hi marc

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 8:40 PM, marc <gmane at auxbuss.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just updated to 8.04. Mostly it went okay. I detest the fact that
> Kubuntu insists on changing the KDM login setup on every update, but
> other that hosing the samba setup, it went well.
>
> One problem remains, however, I use KDM, but now when I log out, I'm
> presented with tty 1. There's no error msg thrown out, just a command
> prompt sitting there blinking at me. I can ctrl+alt to all ttys. tty8 is
> pretty much dead, but I can ctrl+alt+del to reboot.

That is just a message telling you which session you are about to
close, nothing to worry about.

Greets

Myriam

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From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:59:40 2008
From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:59:40 +0100
Subject: Firefox text dragging *awfully* slow
Message-ID: <930ea9d10811040159n34a201a9teee3b485568febfe@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I have a brand new kubuntu 8.10 install, on which I added Firefox 3. Since
this version of FF (I think) when you highlight text with the mouse and drag
it, you can see the text in a transparent fashion and reduced, so you know
exactly what you selected. When I do this on MS Windows or in Gnome, it
works fine. If I do it when logged in KDE 4.1, the drawing of this shadowed
text is *very* long and makes the display hang for a few minutes. The only
solution I have is to unselect the text and wait for the drag operation to
be finished. I have an Intel 945 GM graphic board with open source drivers.
Anyone knows how to solve this problem? And if not, how could I remove from
FF the ability to see the dragged text?

Thanks,
Vincent
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From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 10:01:17 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:01:17 +0300
Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W15FCACFD6B9A160202197CCD230@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>	<880dece00810311730y219371adkd21b292354b8b778@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W15FCACFD6B9A160202197CCD230@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49101D6D.50200@gmail.com>

Ray Burke wrote:
> 2008/11/1 Ray Burke :
>   
>> Dotan, All I want is to view the number of emails per ISP I have,
Try korn for that. It's propably under Internet->More Applications

$apt-cache show korn
...
 Description: KDE mail checker
 Korn is a KDE mail checker that can display a small summary in the Kicker
 tray.  It supports checking mbox, pop3, imap4, and nntp sources.
 .
 Once mail is received you can have Korn run a third party program or change
 the color/icon of the Kicker display.  In addition to this you can have
 Korn run a program once you click on the docked icon in Kicker.




From myriam at ubuntu.com  Tue Nov  4 10:13:14 2008
From: myriam at ubuntu.com (Myriam Schweingruber)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:13:14 +0100
Subject: Alternative KDE packages?
In-Reply-To: <200811020609.55487.kamikazow@web.de>
References: <200811020609.55487.kamikazow@web.de>
Message-ID: <c34709020811040213xa80b814s3bfd5ed353d07bc9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Markus

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:09 AM, Markus <kamikazow at web.de> wrote:
> Hi there.
> Hopefully you guys can answer my question positively.
> I wonder if there are any alternative KDE 4.1.x packages available. The Ubuntu
> installation on the PC I use at work was updated to Intrepid on Friday and
> while I was pleased to see KDE 4.1 (I use it at home for months), I was
> shocked about the incredibly bad state of the German localization in Kubuntu:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885 at N00/2991047111/sizes/o/
>
> For comparison, openSUSE:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885 at N00/2991042741/sizes/o/in/photostream/
>
> I googled a bit, but I couldn't find alternative packages, except the official
> source codes to compile by myself. Are there any?

There has been a bottleneck during the upload of the translation
packages from Upstream (KDE and Gnome) on the Launchpad servers
(server issue and wrong priority settings for POT and PO files I
guess) and like 80'000+ packages had to be uploaded manually. With
only two people this took longer than necessary for the final language
packages to make it into the release. The final packages are available
for most of the languages through update since a day or two.
Certainly this will improve for the next release.

Greets

Myriam aka Mamarok

PS I guess you were the one who commented on my blog :)

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From basroufs at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 10:50:23 2008
From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:50:23 +0100
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811031738o39c6561ck2b5efd4192ebed15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F9ED1.3000205@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031738o39c6561ck2b5efd4192ebed15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c638edc20811040250n1d38b2c1n1aecb6665067cb20@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dotan, Willy and Everybody Else at this list

This thread is very, very useful - thanks for your feedback so far.
One or more of your questions I will thoroughly answer later today or
tomorrow. Everything else I will deal with from next week Mo. 10
November onwards - during the days in between, I will be out of
office.

At present, I have both Kubuntu 7.10 and Kubuntu 8.10 at my PC. This
allows me to more thoroughly compare Konqueror and other software at
both partitions. Of course, I will share with this list interesting
findings of such comparative evaluations.

I finish this message with a few practical questions.

I think it is useful to provide you with some screen-shots of
Konqueror at both Gutsy and Ibex - in PNG, JPEG or PDF format. But my
question is, which the method is the best one to provide you with
them. So far, I never sent any attachment to this list - is it
possible to send and attachment to it until a certain maximum and with
one or more specific formats?  Or is it better to send such
attachments to one or more amongst you off-list? A third option I have
is to put download-files at some website and send a link to this list
for all those who are interested.

At the Gutsy partition of my PC, I have some very practical
screen-shot creation software, accessible via the Print Screen button.
There, I can make screen-shots of the whole screen, a tiny detail of
it and everything in between both extremes. I use it frequently - by
example to make screen shots of online map details. But at the Ibex
partition I did not yet find this or similar software. When hitting
the Print Screen Button, nothing seems to happen. Also the combination
of Print Screen with the left or right ALT, CONTROL OR WIN buttons
seemingly does not result in anything. The only kind of Print Screen I
managed to make so far at the Ibex partition, is a simple whole screen
one via this method:
1. I hit at the Print Screen button.
2. Via another window, I open an empty Open Office Text document.
3. Via CONTROL-V I paste the screen-shot.
4. From Open Office I export the document to PDF.
But this method does not allow me to select a detail for the screen
shot, as I can do at the Gutsy partition.

Respectfully Yours,

Bas.

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From vincent.arnoux at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 11:11:55 2008
From: vincent.arnoux at gmail.com (Vincent Arnoux)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:11:55 +0100
Subject: Okular presentation mode is not fullscreen
Message-ID: <930ea9d10811040311l691bf80cj9c12a5b05e4036a7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I have in issue when using Okular: while the "full screen" mode is actually
full screen, the "presentation" mode is not... Okular only takes the top
left quarter of my screen in this mode. Any idea?

Thanks,
Vincent
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From ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 11:30:45 2008
From: ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com (Ralph DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:30:45 -0500
Subject: Multimedia Buttons Problem with Amarok on Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <490F2B1A.6010304@gmail.com>
References: <200811030839.48921.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>
	<490F2B1A.6010304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811040630.46171.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 11:47:22 Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Ralph DeWitt wrote:
> > I just did a full install of Kubuntu 8.10 retaining my home directory
> > from a Opensuse 11.0 install. I am using a Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop and
> > the multimedia buttons used to work on previous kubuntu installs. I am
> > not sure if this is a kubuntu 8.10 problem or a problem caused by reusing
> > my opensuse home partition? Could some one help me get this sorted out
> > and working.
>
> see if this helps, taken from the list of known issues from the
> pre-release versions, i thought it might have been fixed :S
>
>
> After upgrading to this version, some keys might misbehave in X. Please
> make sure you have set the keyboard model as Generic Evdev-managed
> keyboard in System → Preferences → Keyboard, in the tab Layouts. If some
> keys still have problems, please file a bug against xkeyboard-config,
> and provide the output of setxkbmap -print and xkbcomp :0 - both run in
> the Terminal.
Willy:
Thanks for your reply. It is still broken. Amarok will start to play now that 
I have set keyboard to Generic Evdev but any attempt to use another button 
causes it to freeze and only power off restores control to system.
-- 
	Yours,
	Ralph.
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 11:51:12 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:51:12 +0200
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
In-Reply-To: <c638edc20811040250n1d38b2c1n1aecb6665067cb20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F9ED1.3000205@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031738o39c6561ck2b5efd4192ebed15@mail.gmail.com>
	<c638edc20811040250n1d38b2c1n1aecb6665067cb20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040351y2b5133d7r37db6236ad9e08b0@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Bas Roufs <basroufs at gmail.com>:
> Dear Dotan, Willy and Everybody Else at this list
>
> This thread is very, very useful - thanks for your feedback so far.
> One or more of your questions I will thoroughly answer later today or
> tomorrow. Everything else I will deal with from next week Mo. 10
> November onwards - during the days in between, I will be out of
> office.
>
> At present, I have both Kubuntu 7.10 and Kubuntu 8.10 at my PC. This
> allows me to more thoroughly compare Konqueror and other software at
> both partitions. Of course, I will share with this list interesting
> findings of such comparative evaluations.
>
> I finish this message with a few practical questions.
>
> I think it is useful to provide you with some screen-shots of
> Konqueror at both Gutsy and Ibex - in PNG, JPEG or PDF format. But my
> question is, which the method is the best one to provide you with
> them.

If the list will accept them, use png. But crop generously so that the
file size will be under 100k if possible.

> So far, I never sent any attachment to this list - is it
> possible to send and attachment to it until a certain maximum and with
> one or more specific formats?

I am attaching a test png file. If it arrives, the list attachments work.

> Or is it better to send such
> attachments to one or more amongst you off-list? A third option I have
> is to put download-files at some website and send a link to this list
> for all those who are interested.

Third-party image hosting is best.

> At the Gutsy partition of my PC, I have some very practical
> screen-shot creation software, accessible via the Print Screen button.
> There, I can make screen-shots of the whole screen, a tiny detail of
> it and everything in between both extremes. I use it frequently - by
> example to make screen shots of online map details. But at the Ibex
> partition I did not yet find this or similar software. When hitting
> the Print Screen Button, nothing seems to happen. Also the combination
> of Print Screen with the left or right ALT, CONTROL OR WIN buttons
> seemingly does not result in anything. The only kind of Print Screen I
> managed to make so far at the Ibex partition, is a simple whole screen
> one via this method:
> 1. I hit at the Print Screen button.
> 2. Via another window, I open an empty Open Office Text document.
> 3. Via CONTROL-V I paste the screen-shot.
> 4. From Open Office I export the document to PDF.
> But this method does not allow me to select a detail for the screen
> shot, as I can do at the Gutsy partition.
>

In the KDE 4 menu search for "screen" and the KDE 4 screenshot utility
will show up. You need to start it first. I think I've already filed a
bug on that, I'll search.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 12:18:03 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:18:03 +0200
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811040132wad7333ci5a4dedf99c93ce69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811040132wad7333ci5a4dedf99c93ce69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040418o6a315ca8w1a6f8eb7bfb5a406@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com>:
> Using audio normalization when burning an album can have some side
> effects a better method would be to use Replay Gain per album. If you
> store the Replay Gain in the mp3 frames as not in the tags it should
> be used when burning the CD.
>
> There are programs for Replay Gain,  mp3gain, vorbisgain and aacgain
> in the repro and a frontend eastMP3Gain if you don't want to use CLI.
>
> Something to read:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_normalization
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_Gain
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3Gain
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/easymp3gain/
>

Thank you, Jonas, that is very informative!

-- 
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http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From basroufs at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 12:21:44 2008
From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:21:44 +0100
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040351y2b5133d7r37db6236ad9e08b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F9ED1.3000205@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031738o39c6561ck2b5efd4192ebed15@mail.gmail.com>
	<c638edc20811040250n1d38b2c1n1aecb6665067cb20@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040351y2b5133d7r37db6236ad9e08b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c638edc20811040421pb324479o4abcb674e72e30db@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dotan and Everybody


> If the list will accept them, use png. But crop generously so that the
> file size will be under 100k if possible.


OK.


> I am attaching a test png file. If it arrives, the list attachments work.

I received the png file - so it does work.

> Third-party image hosting is best.

OK!

> In the KDE 4 menu search for "screen" and the KDE 4 screenshot utility
> will show up. You need to start it first.

From the K-menu left down under, I went to APPLICATIONS > Utilities >
Screen Magnifier (KMAG). It may be the software you are pointing at.
But so far I did not manage to properly work with it. The utility
works like a horse beyond my control :-)....

> I think I've already filed a bug on that....

This may be useful.....


Respectfully Yours,

Bas.



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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Nov  4 12:24:49 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:24:49 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490FC3EB.2000802@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<490FC3EB.2000802@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811040724.49340.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 03 November 2008, Steve Lamb wrote:
>p.daniels wrote:
>> 8.5. Dolphin's slow. Slow to start, slow to use. (This is not a Dolphin
>> vs. Krusader comparison, it's just plain slow.) Amazing that one could
>> strip out so much functionality from a file manager and still manage to
>> make it *slower* than the one it's supposedly replacing.
>
>    Actually, after looking at the home page for Krusader I am actually
>shocked Dolphin was ever made.  Supposedly the whole reason for Dolphin's
>being was to be a separate file manager independent of other components.  I
>can respect that, really, I can.
>
>    From Krusader's home page.  It's been around for 7 years now.  IE, it is
> a dedicated file manager that has had years to mature.
>
>    "We need a discrete file manager to take over for the code we no longer
>want to maintain in Konqueror.  Do we incorporate this stable, mature,
>powerful piece of software or start from scratch!?"
>
>    "START FROM SCRATCH!!!"  "YEA!!!!"
>
>    My brain hurts now.

So does mine.  I downloaded Krusader here, and while its got some nice eye 
candy, if I want to get something done, there simply is no substitute for 
good old Midnight Commander, aka mc.  It may not be 'purty' but you'll be 
hard pressed to finding a missing blade in that Swiss Army Knife.  And its 
been around since the late 90's when I first tried linux.  Fully matured, it 
hasn't needed much 'development' now in several years.  It Just Works(TM).  
And in a pinch, it doesn't even need X.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
To restore a sense of reality, I think Walt Disney should have a Hardluckland.
		-- Jack Paar



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 12:26:13 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:26:13 +0100
Subject: Wine games in Kubuntu Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811031321v355ed429ybdc39d4387513e91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8d784880811031321v355ed429ybdc39d4387513e91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811040426v13b470bakcd3e8151e4fd5ac7@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/3 Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com>:
> Hi
>
> Some nice tricks with xorg and serverlayout that perhaps will help
> others so I post them here.
>
> I have a two monitor setup on my nvidia card, one 19" and one 17". In
> Hardy playing games (Warcraft 3) with wine worked fine but after I
> haved installed Intrepid I noticed that the game/wine want grab the
> mouse at the edges to my second monitor so it makes it hard to scroll
> in the game with the mouse. And Desktop effects don't play well with
> changing monitor layout/resolution.
>
> One solution was to use nvidia-settings tool to deactivate the second
> monitor and then deactivate the Desktop effects but this mess up the
> desktop and after the game I have to logout, restart X and login
> again.
> So I was thinking why not add a new ServerLayout just for games in
> xorg.conf where the second monitor is disabled and with no desktop
> environment, just the game or a plain window manager?
>
> After some reading and testing i came up with this.
>
> The relevant sections from my xorg.conf. Of course you can add other options.
> #######################################
> Section "ServerLayout"
>        Identifier      "GameLayout"
>        Screen 0        "GameScreen" 0 0
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
>        Identifier      "GameScreen"
>        Monitor         "SyncMaster975MB
>        Device          "GameVideoDevice"
>        DefaultDepth    24
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
>        Identifier      "SyncMaster957MB"
> EndSectio
>
> Section "Device"
>        Identifier     "GameVideoDevice"
>        Driver          "nvidia"
>        Option         "TwinView"      "0"
>        Option         "ConnectedMonitor"      "CRT-0"
> EndSection
> #######################################
>
> To be able to start a X you must change "allowed_users=console" in
> /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config to "allowed_users=anybody".
> You should now be able to start the new layout with a command like "X
> :1 -layout GameLayout" and switch between the layouts with the
> CTRL-ALT-Fx keys. To start a program in the new layout from the old
> start them like this "DISPLAY=:1 xterm".
>
> To be able to use sounds you must add yourself to the audio group. All
> this I am sure could be wrapped up in a script that will start X and
> your programs and added to the menu for easy access.
>
> Any suggestions or improvements please post them.
>
> / Jonas
>

One little update.

If you want a window manager started on the new layout for example fluxbox.
Install fluxbox.
sudo apt-get install fluxbox

Add the programs you want to start to your ~/.xinirc. Make sure they
is putted to the background with an '&' last on ever row, also add
startfluxbox as the last command to run and don't put it in the
background.

echo "xterm  -g 80x40+0+0   &" > ~/.xinitrc
echo startfluxbox >>  ~/.xinitrc

Then start the X server with xinit.
xinit -- :1 -layout GameLayout -nolisten tcp &

Happy Hacking!
Now it's time for a nice game of Dota.

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 12:28:59 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:28:59 +0100
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040418o6a315ca8w1a6f8eb7bfb5a406@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811040132wad7333ci5a4dedf99c93ce69@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040418o6a315ca8w1a6f8eb7bfb5a406@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811040428m3d1e9960u714aef925602206d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> 2008/11/4 Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com>:
>> Using audio normalization when burning an album can have some side
>> effects a better method would be to use Replay Gain per album. If you
>> store the Replay Gain in the mp3 frames as not in the tags it should
>> be used when burning the CD.
>>
>> There are programs for Replay Gain,  mp3gain, vorbisgain and aacgain
>> in the repro and a frontend eastMP3Gain if you don't want to use CLI.
>>
>> Something to read:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_normalization
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_Gain
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3Gain
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/easymp3gain/
>>
>
> Thank you, Jonas, that is very informative!
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen
>

Your welcome!

/ Jonas



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov  4 02:32:08 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:32:08 -0400
Subject: cant get udev rule to work... ?
References: <490F4A4F.1080303@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <1301639.QbGWvMiAmd@cedar.serverforest.com>

Fred Schaer wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I followed this tutorial :
> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html

Oh wow.  I recall asking Scott Remnant if we could get that included in the
udev package about 3 years ago - and he said it was so out of date, it
wasn't worth including.  udev has come a long way since then!

Beyond that, if you still have a problem on Thursday I'll try to look at it,
but I'm operating in panic mode until then :-)
-- 
derek




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 12:31:27 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:31:27 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040431p69f2625eu7c540beaea6c5ab5@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org>:
> 1: URL lets me know quickly where I am as well as allow me to quickly access
> other areas not only of my local file system but remote file systems through
> SMB://, FISH://, FTP:// (etc, etc, etc) links.
>

Configurable in current Dolphin. Furthermore, the URL bar can be made
active: it shows 'friendly' names until it is clicked on. Furthermore,
the breadcrumbs are active and you can cc into a sister folder of any
one of the parents with a dropdown menu. In any case you can configure
the URL bar to be just like Konqi.

> 2: The Back/Foward buttons aren't entirely needed but the up is because moving
> *up* the directory structure is as important as moving down.  Moving down is
> simple, click on the folders in the main display.
>

Adding Up is easy. I also agree that it should be default, I will file a bug.

> 3: With the small screen footprint I can put two of these on the screen
> side-by-side I can quickly copy/move files between two directories with
> minimal fuss.
>

The side panels can be closed in Dolphin. I don't like the Information
one either, but watch mousemaids use a computer and you will see how
useful that sidebar is to them.

>    Now, on the right I present Dolphin in all it's fail.  Note that the
> actual display in the middle is a tad larger than the Konqueror window.  I
> didn't think to resize them to match until after taking and uploading the
> screenshot.  But notice the large wasted space to the left and right.  The
> "places" panel is pretty much useless.  Case in point, my Virtual Machine *has
> no floppy!*

I will confirm that Dolphin show inaccessible drives and file a bug.

> On the right side we have a big honkin' icon which is just a
> replication of the tiny icon in the details view itself.  It also helpfully
> tells me information which is already in the detail view.  So that, too is
> useless.  Why those are turned on by default is beyond me.  They do nothing
> but waste space!
>
>    The next step of fail is... no URL bar.  Great, I'm in HOME.  Yay.  The
> path is?  Oh, no idea.  I can enter a new path where?  Oh, I have to pull up a
> real location bar to do that.  Compared to Konqueror's view, useless.
>

Yet the nontechnical users who do not understand the filesystem
hierarchy love this. Really, I've had at least two users comment how
great it is without even asking. I was dumbfounded both times.

>    Finally the biggest fail of them all.  The one that shows how flat out
> dumb the developers are.  Go ahead, navigate from /home/grey to /home.  Oh,
> awwwww, *NO UP ARROW*!  I could configure it and add it in.  I could learn
> ALT-UP by looking at the "Go" menu.  I could hit CNTL-L to bring up the URL
> bar to type in /home.  I could click on "Root" in the oh-so-useless "places"
> panel and navigate back down to /home.  But who in their right mind hides the
> second most important navigation option for a filesystem *BY DEFAULT*?!
>
>    FAIL!
>

Calm down. The developers are human and I will file a bug on it. Don't
insult them, that is considered bad etiquitte and won't do any good.
This is not real life.

>    By default Dolphin is larger, less informative, less useful and harder to
> use.  It can be wrestled into some semblance of usability but to do so would
> mean arm-wresling it to look like... Konqueror!  So why go through all the
> trouble when we can just use the sensible and highly usable software in the
> first place.
>

With the exception of the Up menu Dolphin is much easier for
mousemaids. Power users like us will configure it anyway.

>    And that is why Dolphin is hated.  Loathed.  Shunned.  And rightly so.  It
> is, in a phrase, a case study on how not to make a file manager.
>

Thanks, Steve. If you find any other usability issues please follow up.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov  4 02:33:45 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:33:45 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <1898886.8lUDpGAaRJ@cedar.serverforest.com>

Herman Holmström wrote:

> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
> Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think
> it's so bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse and
> move my files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can understand
> if a file manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't
> work. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?

Because D3lphin was pretty much utterly retarded compared to Konqueror. 
It's one thing to go from a primitive file manager like nautilus to a
proof-of-concept like d3lphin, but it's completely different losing so many
of the features we loved.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov  4 02:27:07 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:27:07 -0400
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <geleqj$lbe$6@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811021901.34855.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<200811022004.01628.claydoh@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <1345444.VycVDpv6t4@cedar.serverforest.com>

Clay Weber wrote:

> Please, folks can we let this one die off?

What is with this sudden need for someone to call for an end to every single
thread?

Threads die when they die, not when you want them to.
-- 
derek




From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 12:43:48 2008
From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:43:48 +0000
Subject: Trying to install 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811040804.47596.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <20081101223759.5c2ccdfe@graham-desktop>
	<200811020931.10973.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<20081103214256.53b7c0fc@graham-desktop>
	<200811040804.47596.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081104124348.7bca35f9@graham-desktop>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:04:47 +1000
Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:42:56 am Graham Todd wrote:
> > On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:31:10 +1000
> >
> >
> > Under it, the white screen vanishes and a black screen takes its
> > place with just a hint of a grey oblong appearing.
> 
> I'd guess that's the stage where it tries to fire up X - are you past
> all the disk config screens etc by then?

Yes
> 
> What Video do you have - onboard? card?

Nvidia card

> >
> > Then it loses connection through my ethernet cable........
> 
> How do you tell that?

When my ethernet cable is connected, a light comes on, but at this
point the light goes out.  I can use 8.10 as a live CD, except
NetworkManager switches off at the end and I cannot connect with
Konqueror.

> 
> Are you driving this install from the console?

Tried using the text install, the graphical install, the console-only
install
> 
> Sorry for all the questions :)
> 
> 
> 
If you can get me through this, the "third degree" would have been
worth it :-)

-- 
Graham Todd




From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 12:50:51 2008
From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:50:51 +0000
Subject: .wav conversion
In-Reply-To: <200811040738.17614.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <200811031627.27512.k7qo@commspeed.net>
	<200811040738.17614.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081104125051.2dceeee8@graham-desktop>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:38:17 +0100
Nils Kassube <kassube at gmx.net> wrote:

> chuck adams wrote:
> > Have a few hours recorded this weekend in a 2GB+
> > file in .wav format.
> >
> > Is there an easy way via the command line to break
> > this up into multiple files and convert to CDDA or
> > whatever it is called in CD audio format.  This so that
> > a regular walkman CD player can use it.
> 
> Sox is the swiss army knife of command line sound processing. I
> suggest you also install the libraries for the various sound formats.
> You can install all of them at once with the package libsox-fmt-all.
> 
> 
> Nils
> 
Also you might like to look at Gramofile

-- 
Graham Todd




From grey at dmiyu.org  Tue Nov  4 13:03:42 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:03:42 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040431p69f2625eu7c540beaea6c5ab5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
	<880dece00811040431p69f2625eu7c540beaea6c5ab5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4910482E.2080301@dmiyu.org>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Calm down. The developers are human and I will file a bug on it. Don't
> insult them, that is considered bad etiquitte and won't do any good.
> This is not real life.

    It isn't?  I'm not really sitting here commenting on the reality of
Dolphin's poor design?  Huh...  Trippy.  ;)

    And I am not insulting the developers because:

A: I'm answering a user here on why people dislike dolphin.

B: I'm engaging in some hyperbolic frothing because this keeps coming up every
few months and the calm discussions haven't hit home yet.

    IE, if I were being serious about discussing this with the developers and
not just shooting off a goof-ball post in the middle of the night I'd word it
entirely differently.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:05:26 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:05:26 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040505x249fc84er93c18ffa394ce8d4@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 nepal <nepal.roade at googlemail.com>:
> On Monday 03 November 2008, Herman Holmström wrote:
>> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of
>> gnome, and I like Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I
>> just don't understand why people think it's so bad. I
>> mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse
>> and move my files. Which pretty much any file manager
>> does. I can understand if a file manager is utterly
>> retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't work. Why is
>> it that so many hates Dolphin?
>
> 1. Being forced to use it by default.
>

Agreed, that was a bad decision on Kubuntu's part.

> 2. Poor use of on-screen space, showing information in
> panels that I only need occasionally. This is achieved much
> better by tool tips than wasting screen real estate.
>

Only us power user think that. Really. And we can configure that.

> 3. It is cluttered and poorly thought out to look at, and
> merely seems like some other piece of software is being
> copied in order to 'stay with the gang', Instant impression
> was its trying to be like some well known m$ software.
>

I need more detail than that. Something specific.

> 4. Software panels that keep reconfiguring themselves after
> one has made setting changes is not f****ing friendly but
> stupid as someone else said. Years ago when I wrote
> software I would never do that to my users.
>

Sounds like a bug. Can you please elaborate?

> 5. There is a perfectly good file manager called Konqueror
> which I have grown to love, if I want to use another
> filemanager, which I do occasionally, I use Krusader. I
> would never use D**phin and never will.
>

And you have that choice! Isn't FOSS great?

> 6. After having D**phin installed as default and the
> experience of its constant rearranging of *my* settings, it
> is unlikely I will ever look at this bit of softare again,
> *EVER*.
>

Wait until KDE 4.2 at least then.

> 7. Just for good measure, its pig ugly!
>

Could you be more specific? What would you change to make it not pig
ugly? What components do not look good to you?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:08:39 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:08:39 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <4910482E.2080301@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
	<880dece00811040431p69f2625eu7c540beaea6c5ab5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4910482E.2080301@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040508vd4ea3ddv4b8e16b141a439e0@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org>:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> Calm down. The developers are human and I will file a bug on it. Don't
>> insult them, that is considered bad etiquitte and won't do any good.
>> This is not real life.
>
>    It isn't?  I'm not really sitting here commenting on the reality of
> Dolphin's poor design?  Huh...  Trippy.  ;)
>
>    And I am not insulting the developers because:
>
> A: I'm answering a user here on why people dislike dolphin.
>
> B: I'm engaging in some hyperbolic frothing because this keeps coming up every
> few months and the calm discussions haven't hit home yet.
>
>    IE, if I were being serious about discussing this with the developers and
> not just shooting off a goof-ball post in the middle of the night I'd word it
> entirely differently.
>

Then be comforted that I am filing bugs on these things. I will post
back next week with a list of bugs and invite people to add
constructive criticism. I appreciate your comments but I need you to
keep them constructive. Thanks.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:11:26 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:11:26 +0200
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
In-Reply-To: <c638edc20811040421pb324479o4abcb674e72e30db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F9ED1.3000205@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031738o39c6561ck2b5efd4192ebed15@mail.gmail.com>
	<c638edc20811040250n1d38b2c1n1aecb6665067cb20@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040351y2b5133d7r37db6236ad9e08b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c638edc20811040421pb324479o4abcb674e72e30db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040511m7e8ff57cu61c245b9366b2c88@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Bas Roufs <basroufs at gmail.com>:
>> In the KDE 4 menu search for "screen" and the KDE 4 screenshot utility
>> will show up. You need to start it first.
>
> From the K-menu left down under, I went to APPLICATIONS > Utilities >
> Screen Magnifier (KMAG). It may be the software you are pointing at.
> But so far I did not manage to properly work with it. The utility
> works like a horse beyond my control :-)....
>

No, it's not kmag. I don't have a KDE 4 system here (I'm on my laptop
daily driver) so I cannot check the name of the app right now. But the
name or description should say screen shot or something to that
effect. Maybe under Graphics or Utilities?

-- 
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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Tue Nov  4 13:29:48 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:29:48 +0200
Subject: A compromise solution.
In-Reply-To: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>
References: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>
Message-ID: <49104E4C.5070907@prayingforisrael.net>

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> Just in case someone here ran into the same sort of problems as I 
> did, I'll share a few ideas:
> 
> I tried several times to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10: no go. 
> Everything locked up. Then, fresh install: still no go, only the 
> upper half of my screen was visible. After some fiddling with 
> X.org.conf I got a full screen and began to use KDE4. Then I 
> discovered - like many others here - that I had lost a lot of 
> functionality, especially Konqueror, but lots of other things too, 
> like all the options to customize my desktop easily.
> 
> OK, i gave up. Here's what I did in order to get happy again:
> 
> Fresh install of Ubuntu 8.10. Well, no decent file manager here 
> either, only the crappy nautilus. But the install went without a 
> hiccup. Then, installed kubuntu-desktop, kmail etc.. Fine, but still 
> no usable file manager. Installed krusader, which is a bit 'over the 
> top' for me. So I found a fine compromise between unusable Dolphin 
> and the geeky Krusader: 'emelfm2' (sudo apt-get install emelfm2).
> 
> So, now I have the best of two worlds: KDE + Gnome + a very fine and 
> potent file manager with a intuitive, graphic interface. Now I can 
> keep on upgrading both flavours automagically until KDE4 reaches 
> maturity. Happy days are here again...
> 
> Kaj Haulrich.

I remember using emelfm2 in Feather Linux on my retarded [old] laptop - very nice and easy to 
use. Also very feature rich!
I liked it. I will install it when I get around to doing a fresh install of Intrepid on my 
Inspiron 1525.

Thanks for reminding me of emelfm2 :-)

Blessings,

Nigel

-- 



From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:33:03 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:33:03 +0200
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040511m7e8ff57cu61c245b9366b2c88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>	<490F9ED1.3000205@gmail.com>	<880dece00811031738o39c6561ck2b5efd4192ebed15@mail.gmail.com>	<c638edc20811040250n1d38b2c1n1aecb6665067cb20@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811040351y2b5133d7r37db6236ad9e08b0@mail.gmail.com>	<c638edc20811040421pb324479o4abcb674e72e30db@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040511m7e8ff57cu61c245b9366b2c88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49104F0F.9060004@gmail.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/4 Bas Roufs <basroufs at gmail.com>:
>>> In the KDE 4 menu search for "screen" and the KDE 4 screenshot utility
>>> will show up. You need to start it first.
>> From the K-menu left down under, I went to APPLICATIONS > Utilities >
>> Screen Magnifier (KMAG). It may be the software you are pointing at.
>> But so far I did not manage to properly work with it. The utility
>> works like a horse beyond my control :-)....
>>
> 
> No, it's not kmag. I don't have a KDE 4 system here (I'm on my laptop
> daily driver) so I cannot check the name of the app right now. But the
> name or description should say screen shot or something to that
> effect. Maybe under Graphics or Utilities?
> 
KSnapshot? In Graphics part of the menu



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:34:02 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:34:02 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <490FF5E5.7010408@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<490FF5E5.7010408@gmail.com>
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2008/11/4 O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com>:
> Apparently OpenSuse will continue to package KDE 3.5 as an alternative:
> http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/09/kde-in-opensuse-111-and-beyond/
> I dont feel one bit like changing distro as I am using 2 Dell laptops
> and they do work best with (K)Ubuntu but I might give it a try just to
> see how it works
>

You have no idea how ironic your statement is. Go look through the
Opensuse archives and see what a mess the KDE 3 || KDE 4 discussion
was in Opensuse. Google my name if you have to.

And you may not be happy with Opensuse's KDE, it is really butchered.
Many KDE devs are also Suse devs, and Opensuse is a great place to
'try' new things. Think d3lphin. That said, there are those who swear
by [Open]suse's KDE, but just as many that swear at it.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:41:18 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:41:18 +0100
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040534s5c9b40e3r3dfb52d509863492@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<490FF5E5.7010408@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040534s5c9b40e3r3dfb52d509863492@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811040541l763ce9e0l504635e26a3ba71@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/4 O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com>:
>> Apparently OpenSuse will continue to package KDE 3.5 as an alternative:
>> http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/09/kde-in-opensuse-111-and-beyond/
>> I dont feel one bit like changing distro as I am using 2 Dell laptops
>> and they do work best with (K)Ubuntu but I might give it a try just to
>> see how it works
>>
>
> You have no idea how ironic your statement is. Go look through the
> Opensuse archives and see what a mess the KDE 3 || KDE 4 discussion
> was in Opensuse. Google my name if you have to.
>
> And you may not be happy with Opensuse's KDE, it is really butchered.
> Many KDE devs are also Suse devs, and Opensuse is a great place to
> 'try' new things. Think d3lphin. That said, there are those who swear
> by [Open]suse's KDE, but just as many that swear at it.
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen

I personally would not want to use suse, based on the MS interaction
and I know they are not closely related but just the idea is enough
for me.

So that leaves Debian and what else for lovers of a stable kde3?

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:46:29 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:46:29 +0200
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811040541l763ce9e0l504635e26a3ba71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<490FF5E5.7010408@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040534s5c9b40e3r3dfb52d509863492@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811040541l763ce9e0l504635e26a3ba71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040546r11682f03n7951a085679a9972@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
> I personally would not want to use suse, based on the MS interaction
> and I know they are not closely related but just the idea is enough
> for me.
>
> So that leaves Debian and what else for lovers of a stable kde3?
>

I wouldn't call it stable by a long shot, but I really like Fedora. If
you need stability then run version N-1.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From kassube at gmx.net  Tue Nov  4 13:46:10 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:46:10 +0100
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <490FB3EA.8010608@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811032153.21301.kassube@gmx.net>
	<490FB3EA.8010608@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <200811041446.10305.kassube@gmx.net>

Nigel Ridley wrote:
> It is a 'SanDisk Cruzer Micro Skin' 

I couldn't find technical specifications for it's write speed. Therefore I 
would assume it should be the same speed as other low cost flash disks. I 
found several different low cost USB sticks which were rated at 5MB/s 
write speed. Only expensive ones were rated at higher speeds. So your 
1MB/s might be really too slow. I would suggest you try FAT32 because USB 
sticks are usually made for FAT32. Maybe there is some extra logic inside 
which improves FAT32 write speed. If it doesn't improve your write speed 
you might return to ext2.

> and it specifically says that it is 
> "Hi-speed USB 2.0 Flash Drive" and that it "Hi-speed USB 2.0 port
> required for high speed data transfer".
>
> My Inspirion 1525 definitely has a hi-speed USB 2.0 port.

Well, high speed is really vague, isn't it? OTOH, 1MB/s would be 8Mbit/s 
and if you add the USB protocol overhead you are near the 12Mbit/s limit 
of USB 1.1. Which reminds me of the USB hub I once had. If you have the 
USB stick connected via a hub, check that the hub really is USB 2.0 
capable.

But you need USB 2.0 even if the maximum write speed really is 1MB/s 
because the read speed of flash memory is much higher than the write 
speed.


Nils



From kassube at gmx.net  Tue Nov  4 13:46:40 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:46:40 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200811041446.40531.kassube@gmx.net>

Billie Walsh wrote:
> In other words, It's something new and different. People don't want
> "new and different". They want old and familiar.

I think it is even worse. While people don't want something new and 
different, they simultaneously want to have the latest (and greatest) 
version of their software. Somehow they don't understand that these two 
wishes aren't compatible.


Nils



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:58:19 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:58:19 +0200
Subject: Border on KDE taskbar items
Message-ID: <880dece00811040558h6eeaff09u68f573198a1cdec2@mail.gmail.com>

The Opensuse taskbar in KDE 4.1 has a border around taskbar items,
which are missing in Kubuntu's KDE 4.1. With apologies to Markus, here
are his screenshots showing the differences in the KDE vs. Opensuse
taskbar:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885 at N00/2991047111/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885 at N00/2991042741/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Can these borders be enabled in Kubuntu? Thanks in advance.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 14:01:21 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:01:21 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811041446.40531.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net> <200811041446.40531.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040601j24fcb2bfx938fd6bd2124caab@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Nils Kassube <kassube at gmx.net>:
> Billie Walsh wrote:
>> In other words, It's something new and different. People don't want
>> "new and different". They want old and familiar.
>
> I think it is even worse. While people don't want something new and
> different, they simultaneously want to have the latest (and greatest)
> version of their software. Somehow they don't understand that these two
> wishes aren't compatible.
>

Thank you, Nils, for pointing out exactly the human flaw. Somehow I
have been unable to put my finger exactly on the problem as you have.

I'd just like to add that the path to 'improved' is experimental, some
changes are improvements and some make things worse. That is why
d3lphin was created, to see what was good and to see what was bad.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From claydoh at midmaine.com  Tue Nov  4 14:08:36 2008
From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:08:36 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <1345444.VycVDpv6t4@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811022004.01628.claydoh@midmaine.com>
	<1345444.VycVDpv6t4@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811040908.36691.claydoh@midmaine.com>

On Monday 03 November 2008 9:27:07 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
> Clay Weber wrote:
> > Please, folks can we let this one die off?
>
> What is with this sudden need for someone to call for an end to every
> single thread?
>
> Threads die when they die, not when you want them to.
> --
> derek

That was in reference to the back and forth flame-fanning that was originally 
going on.

Plus, I did ask, not demand, and only in this thread. Am I not allowed to do 
so?
-- 
Clay Weber



From basroufs at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 14:18:41 2008
From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:18:41 +0100
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
In-Reply-To: <49104F0F.9060004@gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F9ED1.3000205@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031738o39c6561ck2b5efd4192ebed15@mail.gmail.com>
	<c638edc20811040250n1d38b2c1n1aecb6665067cb20@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040351y2b5133d7r37db6236ad9e08b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c638edc20811040421pb324479o4abcb674e72e30db@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040511m7e8ff57cu61c245b9366b2c88@mail.gmail.com>
	<49104F0F.9060004@gmail.com>
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Dear Sinclair and Everybody


> KSnapshot? In Graphics part of the menu

YES, YES, YES! Thank you very much. See trial image/ PNG file below.

The only question remaining with respect to KSnapshot: how can we
restore the connection between that app and the PRINT SCREEN Button?

Greetings,

Bas.

-- 
===============
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Van 't Hoffstraat 1
NL-3514 VT  Utrecht
M. +31.6.446.835.10
T. +31.30.785.20.40
BasRoufs at gmail.com
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From grey at dmiyu.org  Tue Nov  4 14:29:03 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:29:03 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811041446.40531.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
	<200811041446.40531.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <49105C2F.6000903@dmiyu.org>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Billie Walsh wrote:
>> In other words, It's something new and different. People don't want
>> "new and different". They want old and familiar.

> I think it is even worse. While people don't want something new and 
> different, they simultaneously want to have the latest (and greatest) 
> version of their software. Somehow they don't understand that these two 
> wishes aren't compatible.

    I think this really misses the point of what most people are saying.  I'm
an early adopter of a lot of things.  I ran OS/2 pre-Warp fer crying out loud.
 I have old BEOS discs around here somewhere.  I like new and different.  What
I don't like is new, different... and worse coupled with horrible choice in
the matter.  New and different, not the problem.  To say it is is to belittle
people unjustly.



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 14:30:26 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:30:26 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040601j24fcb2bfx938fd6bd2124caab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net> <200811041446.40531.kassube@gmx.net>
	<880dece00811040601j24fcb2bfx938fd6bd2124caab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811040630u7a9afe64m1efdc44b13443b51@mail.gmail.com>

> Thank you, Nils, for pointing out exactly the human flaw. Somehow I
> have been unable to put my finger exactly on the problem as you have.
>
> I'd just like to add that the path to 'improved' is experimental, some
> changes are improvements and some make things worse. That is why
> d3lphin was created, to see what was good and to see what was bad.
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen

Which is wonderful and as it should be. The problem is with making it
default. That is just bad thinking when it comes to a distro for
newbies or real use.

I run the latest and greatest software (cvs) on some projects like
Blender3d. I have crashes and I file bug reports. That is MY choice. I
expect my distro to only make things default when they are as strong
or stronger that the current default!!! I don't even expect it to be
perfect, just better. That is the whole idea right?  It must be a step
forward NOT backwards. I think this is simple to understand and it is
easy to see the need for it with a distro like *ubuntu. Anything less
in unprofessional.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov  4 14:44:43 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:44:43 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <49105FDB.3020904@candt.waitrose.com>

Herman Holmström wrote:
> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like Dolphin 
> a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people think it's so 
> bad.

I really like it now, and I use it in preference to Konqueror almost 
all the time.

However, when I first came accross it I was really thrown! I had 
gotten used to Konqueror and could do all my stuff with it. Although - 
I did often get a sneaking suspicion it was a bit big for my everyday 
needs. Interestingly, I used it in a format looking a bit like my 
previous Windows Explorer.........

Not so with Dolphin though. I am now a fluent user, single view and 
split view. I even found the Open as Root in the right hand  sidebar. 
Very useful..... I usually set the Right hand side bar to not-seen by 
the way.

Dolphin was not 'sold' to me with any explanation at all. It was just 
  - it felt like - dumped in front of me. That was very disturbing. 
But I did decide to keep an open mind, and I am glad that I did too.
-- 
alan cocks
Kubuntu user#10391
Linux user #360648



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Tue Nov  4 14:57:34 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:57:34 +0100
Subject: A compromise solution.
In-Reply-To: <49104E4C.5070907@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>
	<49104E4C.5070907@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <gepnst$s4a$1@ger.gmane.org>

Nigel Ridley wrote:
> Kaj Haulrich wrote:
>> Just in case someone here ran into the same sort of problems as I 
>> did, I'll share a few ideas:
>>
>> I tried several times to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10: no go. 
>> Everything locked up. Then, fresh install: still no go, only the 
>> upper half of my screen was visible. After some fiddling with 
>> X.org.conf I got a full screen and began to use KDE4. Then I 
>> discovered - like many others here - that I had lost a lot of 
>> functionality, especially Konqueror, but lots of other things too, 
>> like all the options to customize my desktop easily.
>>
>> OK, i gave up. Here's what I did in order to get happy again:
>>
>> Fresh install of Ubuntu 8.10. Well, no decent file manager here 
>> either, only the crappy nautilus. But the install went without a 
>> hiccup. Then, installed kubuntu-desktop, kmail etc.. Fine, but still 
>> no usable file manager. Installed krusader, which is a bit 'over the 
>> top' for me. So I found a fine compromise between unusable Dolphin 
>> and the geeky Krusader: 'emelfm2' (sudo apt-get install emelfm2).
>>
>> So, now I have the best of two worlds: KDE + Gnome + a very fine and 
>> potent file manager with a intuitive, graphic interface. Now I can 
>> keep on upgrading both flavours automagically until KDE4 reaches 
>> maturity. Happy days are here again...
>>
>> Kaj Haulrich.
> 
> I remember using emelfm2 in Feather Linux on my retarded [old] laptop - very nice and easy to 
> use. Also very feature rich!
> I liked it. I will install it when I get around to doing a fresh install of Intrepid on my 
> Inspiron 1525.
> 
> Thanks for reminding me of emelfm2 :-)
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Nigel
> 
And when you are looking for something even smaller, albeit slightly 
less intuitive, use emelfm.
This is my favourite on any PC that is to slow to run Win98,     :-)))

Kind regards
Eberhard





From roccobarbi at yahoo.it  Tue Nov  4 15:03:20 2008
From: roccobarbi at yahoo.it (Rocco Barbini)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:03:20 +0000 (GMT)
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--- Mar 29/5/07, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com <kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com> ha scritto:

> Da: kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com <kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Oggetto: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 28, Issue 129
> A: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Data: Martedì 29 maggio 2007, 08:04
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>    1. Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer?? (Jonathan
> Jesse)
>    2. Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer?? (Matthew
> Flaschen)
>    3. Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer?? (Jonathan
> Jesse)
>    4. QT GTK engine (Matthew Flaschen)
>    5. Re: QT GTK engine (Matthew Flaschen)
>    6. Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer?? (Bruce
> Marshall)
>    7. Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer?? (Howard Coles
> Jr.)
>    8. Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer?? (Jonathan
> Jesse)
>    9. Downloading software problems and screen resolution
> problems.
>       (Steven Vollom)
>   10. Re: Downloading software problems and screen
> resolution
>       problems. (Matthew Flaschen)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:15:42 -0400
> From: Jonathan Jesse <jjesse at iserv.net>
> Subject: Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer??
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions
> <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <200705281715.42263.jjesse at iserv.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> On Monday 28 May 2007 11:14:49 Bruce Marshall wrote:
> > On Monday 28 May 2007, Bruce Marshall wrote:
> > > If you find it works with a different user, then
> you have to bite the
> > > bullet.
> > >
> > > Go to your home directory and:
> > >
> > > mv .kde/ ? .kde.sav/
> >
> > Sorry....  should have been:
> >
> > mv .kde   .kde.sav      (no slash)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ok now that I did that, how do I get back my previous
> emails?  Every time I 
> look at any messages that hasn't come in since I redid
> my .kde directory 
> shows up as no subject
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:34:28 -0400
> From: Matthew Flaschen <matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu>
> Subject: Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer??
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions
> <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <465B4AE4.10808 at gatech.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Jonathan Jesse wrote:
> > Ok now that I did that, how do I get back my previous
> emails?  Every time I 
> > look at any messages that hasn't come in since I
> redid my .kde directory 
> > shows up as no subject
> 
> Can you check whether your .kde.sav directory has the right
> permissions
> (the user permissions should be rw). I had a similar
> problem when I
> accidentally set my directory to read-only.
> 
> Matt Flaschen
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:37:09 -0400
> From: Jonathan Jesse <jjesse at iserv.net>
> Subject: Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer??
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions
> <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <200705281737.09114.jjesse at iserv.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> On Monday 28 May 2007 17:34:28 Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> > Jonathan Jesse wrote:
> > > Ok now that I did that, how do I get back my
> previous emails?  Every time
> > > I look at any messages that hasn't come in
> since I redid my .kde
> > > directory shows up as no subject
> >
> > Can you check whether your .kde.sav directory has the
> right permissions
> > (the user permissions should be rw). I had a similar
> problem when I
> > accidentally set my directory to read-only.
> >
> > Matt Flaschen
> 
> Yes they are set to RW, I found the import kmail and was
> able to import some 
> folders successfully.  Too bad the folder that contains
> email from my wife, 
> Ubuntu-Docs, and Launchpad stuff is not working correctly
> still :(
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:08:18 -0400
> From: Matthew Flaschen <matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu>
> Subject: QT GTK engine
> To: "Ubuntu user technical support,	not for general
> discussions"
> 	<kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <465B60E2.1000608 at gatech.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I'm using Dapper, and I know there are engines meant to
> make GTK
> programs appear with the QT/KDE look.  I installed a couple
> but it
> doesn't seem to be working.  Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Matt Flaschen
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:14:41 -0400
> From: Matthew Flaschen <matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu>
> Subject: Re: QT GTK engine
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions
> <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <465B6261.7000304 at gatech.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> > I'm using Dapper, and I know there are engines
> meant to make GTK
> > programs appear with the QT/KDE look.  I installed a
> couple but it
> > doesn't seem to be working.  Any ideas?
> 
> I just found out about the Appearance and Themes -> GTK
> styles and
> fonts.  I see "Use my KDE style in GTK
> applications" (that was what I
> had) and QT in the drop-down.  I'm still unsure what I
> "should" be using.
> 
> Matt Flaschen
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:20:48 -0400
> From: Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com>
> Subject: Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer??
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <200705282120.48978.bmarsh at bmarsh.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> On Monday 28 May 2007, Jonathan Jesse wrote:
> > Ok now that I did that, how do I get back my previous
> emails? ?Every time I
> > look at any messages that hasn't come in since I
> redid my .kde directory
> > shows up as no subject
> 
> All of your Kmail stuff should have been untouched.....  
> and is located 
> in  /home/<id>/Mail
> 
> However, I have been running Kmail for a longtime and
> things may have changed.  
> Or are you running an IMAP setup?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:36:45 -0500
> From: "Howard Coles Jr."
> <dhcolesj at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer??
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <200705282036.45242.dhcolesj at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> On Monday 28 May 2007 08:20:48 pm Bruce Marshall wrote:
> > On Monday 28 May 2007, Jonathan Jesse wrote:
> > > Ok now that I did that, how do I get back my
> previous emails? ?Every time
> > > I look at any messages that hasn't come in
> since I redid my .kde
> > > directory shows up as no subject
> >
> > All of your Kmail stuff should have been
> untouched.....   and is located
> > in  /home/<id>/Mail
> >
> > However, I have been running Kmail for a longtime and
> things may have
> > changed. Or are you running an IMAP setup?
> 
> I'm not the OP obviously, but newer versions of Kmail
> put mail 
> under "/home/<id>/.kde/share/apps/kmail/".
> so, he may need to either move the correct mail there, or
> adjust 
> his /home/<id>/.kde/share/config/kmail* file(s) to
> point to the old location.
> 
> -- 
> See Ya'
> Howard Coles Jr.
> John 3:16!
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:20:38 -0400
> From: Jonathan Jesse <jjesse at iserv.net>
> Subject: Re: HELP: Unable to login to computer??
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions
> <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <200705282220.38686.jjesse at iserv.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> On Monday 28 May 2007 21:36:45 Howard Coles Jr. wrote:
> > On Monday 28 May 2007 08:20:48 pm Bruce Marshall
> wrote:
> > > On Monday 28 May 2007, Jonathan Jesse wrote:
> > > > Ok now that I did that, how do I get back my
> previous emails? ?Every
> > > > time I look at any messages that hasn't
> come in since I redid my .kde
> > > > directory shows up as no subject
> > >
> > > All of your Kmail stuff should have been
> untouched.....   and is located
> > > in  /home/<id>/Mail
> > >
> > > However, I have been running Kmail for a longtime
> and things may have
> > > changed. Or are you running an IMAP setup?
> >
> > I'm not the OP obviously, but newer versions of
> Kmail put mail
> > under
> "/home/<id>/.kde/share/apps/kmail/".
> > so, he may need to either move the correct mail there,
> or adjust
> > his /home/<id>/.kde/share/config/kmail* file(s)
> to point to the old
> > location.
> >
> > --
> > See Ya'
> > Howard Coles Jr.
> > John 3:16!
> 
> I have moved what I stored in .kde-sav to .kde which should
> have copied over 
> my email.  I have about half of my email boxes with
> information showing in 
> them.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 01:30:16 -0400
> From: "Steven Vollom"
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Downloading software problems and screen
> resolution problems.
> To: <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <001201c7a1b2$715401d0$8d31d645 at studio25>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I recently installed Kubuntu 7.04.  When I first installed
> it, my Audigy sound card worked for a little while.  As I
> installed software, things changed.  I was installing 30 to
> 40 files at a time, so I do not know which installations
> affected my computer, however, after installing about a gig
> of data, I no longer have any sound.  Additionally, now I am
> locked out of the installation process.  The instruction
> says that some other program is using the installation
> program and I have to close that program before it will
> resume downloading.  I am able to identify and instruct the
> installation of additional programs, however, the button
> that activates the installation is greyed out and does
> nothing when I click on it.  No options are available to
> cure the problem, and I lose all the work that went into
> identifying additional programs and files I wanted in my
> system.  To top it off, my video card is now producing 640 x
> 480 and I can't find any way to change back to a higher
> resolution.  Everything is so big, I have to scroll
> horizontally and vertically both to try to accomplish
> anything.  To recapitulate, my video is at 640 x 480, the
> sound doesn't work, and I am blocked from installing any
> more files, so if there is a fix in any of them, I can not
> get to it.
> 
> I have a Pentium 4, 2.25 ghz with 1 gig of ram.  My video
> card is ATI All in Wonder 6000 with only 64 megs of ram.  My
> sound card is SoundBlaster Audity II.  I have downloaded and
> installed at least 1065 megs of data into the Kubuntu
> system.
> 
> I am older with not the best of memory.  I am writing you
> from the Win XP Pro OS.  Please tell me what information I
> may give you that will be more helpful.
> 
> One other thing, my password was rejected several times.  I
> thought I had maybe changed it without remembering, however,
> I only use 3 passwords for my computer needs.  I tried all
> of them several times and very carefully.  Finally the one I
> thought was correct caught.  I am enjoying the learning
> curve, but only using Windows has made it extremely
> difficult to locate what might be a normal fix using
> Windows.  I have been working all day trying to get all the
> Ubuntu and Kubuntu files and folders and ?.exe's if they
> are called that were provided with the download program. 
> Every time I reboot, the computer comes a little more alive
> using Kubuntu.  I suspect my problems are common to you by
> now.  Thanks for any help you may give.  Regardless, I am
> going to fight this out until I have a smoothly functioning
> system.  Thanks!
> 
> Steven Vollom, artist
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 02:04:45 -0400
> From: Matthew Flaschen <matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu>
> Subject: Re: Downloading software problems and screen
> resolution
> 	problems.
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions
> <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <465BC27D.5020405 at gatech.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Steven Vollom wrote:
> > I recently installed Kubuntu 7.04.  When I first
> installed it, my
> > Audigy sound card worked for a little while.  As I
> installed
> > software, things changed.
> 
> It would really help if you could list as much of the
> software you
> installed as possible.
> 
> > Additionally, now I am locked out of the installation
> process.  The
> > instruction says that some other program is using the
> installation
> > program and I have to close that program before it
> will resume
> > downloading.
> 
> Make sure the programs Adept and Synaptic are both closed,
> then restart.
> 
> > To top it off, my video card is now producing 640 x
> 480
> > and I can't find any way to change back to a
> higher resolution.
> 
> >From the command-prompt, run:
> 
> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-driver-vesa
> 
> then restart.
> 
> > I have been working all day trying to get all the
> Ubuntu
> > and Kubuntu files and folders and ?.exe's if they
> are called that
> > were provided with the download program.
> 
> .deb
> 
> > Regardless, I am going to fight this out until I have
> a smoothly
> > functioning system.  Thanks!
> 
> Good.  I think you'll find it worthwhile.
> 
> Matt Flaschen
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:12:49 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:12:49 +0200
Subject: File management function of Konqueror in Gutsy and Ibex.
In-Reply-To: <c638edc20811040618i58a3d00fw755cc04b225ee6a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811031612j593e6aa0je06c829030726736@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031643s6883ed0r45ceb0a91385b5c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F9ED1.3000205@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811031738o39c6561ck2b5efd4192ebed15@mail.gmail.com>
	<c638edc20811040250n1d38b2c1n1aecb6665067cb20@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040351y2b5133d7r37db6236ad9e08b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c638edc20811040421pb324479o4abcb674e72e30db@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040511m7e8ff57cu61c245b9366b2c88@mail.gmail.com>
	<49104F0F.9060004@gmail.com>
	<c638edc20811040618i58a3d00fw755cc04b225ee6a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040712x3bdcd059p6e2d040f8be5bae0@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Bas Roufs <basroufs at gmail.com>:
> The only question remaining with respect to KSnapshot: how can we
> restore the connection between that app and the PRINT SCREEN Button?
>

Like this:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174264

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:14:10 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:14:10 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811040630u7a9afe64m1efdc44b13443b51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net> <200811041446.40531.kassube@gmx.net>
	<880dece00811040601j24fcb2bfx938fd6bd2124caab@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811040630u7a9afe64m1efdc44b13443b51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040714o7665fca7t89ee71d126aa6e8a@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>> Thank you, Nils, for pointing out exactly the human flaw. Somehow I
>> have been unable to put my finger exactly on the problem as you have.
>>
>> I'd just like to add that the path to 'improved' is experimental, some
>> changes are improvements and some make things worse. That is why
>> d3lphin was created, to see what was good and to see what was bad.
>>
>> --
>> Dotan Cohen
>
> Which is wonderful and as it should be. The problem is with making it
> default. That is just bad thinking when it comes to a distro for
> newbies or real use.
>
> I run the latest and greatest software (cvs) on some projects like
> Blender3d. I have crashes and I file bug reports. That is MY choice. I
> expect my distro to only make things default when they are as strong
> or stronger that the current default!!! I don't even expect it to be
> perfect, just better. That is the whole idea right?  It must be a step
> forward NOT backwards. I think this is simple to understand and it is
> easy to see the need for it with a distro like *ubuntu. Anything less
> in unprofessional.
>

Agreed 100%. Kubuntu is not Fedora.

-- 
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http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk  Tue Nov  4 15:21:37 2008
From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:21:37 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <49105FDB.3020904@candt.waitrose.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<49105FDB.3020904@candt.waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <20081104152137.73ef5a6f.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>

For me the big gripe about Dolphin is that it doesn't embed image or text file display.

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+------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+
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| sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham      | --  \/` |
| Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722                  |         |
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:48:28 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:48:28 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <20081104152137.73ef5a6f.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<49105FDB.3020904@candt.waitrose.com>
	<20081104152137.73ef5a6f.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040748p772716c4uedc0443afa9e4e2@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 James Tappin <sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk>:
> For me the big gripe about Dolphin is that it doesn't embed image or text file display.
>

That is a design feature, not a bug so far as I understand. But the
Information sidebar should preview the files for you.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From a.mani.cms at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:56:10 2008
From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:26:10 +0530
Subject: A compromise solution.
In-Reply-To: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>
References: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>
Message-ID: <78323d480811040756o4d19abeyb928d8970b05d2bb@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Kaj Haulrich <kaj at haulrich.net> wrote:
>
> I tried several times to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10: no go.
> Everything locked up.
> Then, fresh install: still no go, only the
> upper half of my screen was visible. After some fiddling with
> X.org.conf I got a full screen and began to use KDE4. Then I
> discovered - like many others here - that I had lost a lot of
> functionality, especially Konqueror, but lots of other things too,
> like all the options to customize my desktop easily.

You should have used the alternate CD. Konqueror is fine and it is
easy to make it the default file manager. Dolphin is quite dumb.
Simply putting in a new xorg file works fine.

One needs to read the KDE-4+ system administration documentation to
configure kde-4+. The help documentation is not in sync too.

>
> OK, i gave up. Here's what I did in order to get happy again:
>
> Fresh install of Ubuntu 8.10. Well, no decent file manager here
why this?

adept or apt-get could have done that for you


Best

A. Mani


-- 
A. Mani
Member, Cal. Math. Soc



From jlopezay at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 16:02:57 2008
From: jlopezay at gmail.com (Jose Lopez)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:02:57 +0100
Subject: Multimedia Buttons Problem with Amarok on Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811040630.46171.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <200811030839.48921.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>
	<490F2B1A.6010304@gmail.com>
	<200811040630.46171.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <54df72c10811040802u36a6a47cxb76677ffe4e4f977@mail.gmail.com>

Ralph,

It is a problem of the Kubuntu 8.10. I have the same problem and I've nerver
had Suse. In fact my previous disto was Kubuntu 8.04 and the multimedia keys
was working ok by default.

regards,



2008/11/4 Ralph DeWitt <ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com>

> On Monday 03 November 2008 11:47:22 Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> > Ralph DeWitt wrote:
> > > I just did a full install of Kubuntu 8.10 retaining my home directory
> > > from a Opensuse 11.0 install. I am using a Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop
> and
> > > the multimedia buttons used to work on previous kubuntu installs. I am
> > > not sure if this is a kubuntu 8.10 problem or a problem caused by
> reusing
> > > my opensuse home partition? Could some one help me get this sorted out
> > > and working.
> >
> > see if this helps, taken from the list of known issues from the
> > pre-release versions, i thought it might have been fixed :S
> >
> >
> > After upgrading to this version, some keys might misbehave in X. Please
> > make sure you have set the keyboard model as Generic Evdev-managed
> > keyboard in System → Preferences → Keyboard, in the tab Layouts. If some
> > keys still have problems, please file a bug against xkeyboard-config,
> > and provide the output of setxkbmap -print and xkbcomp :0 - both run in
> > the Terminal.
> Willy:
> Thanks for your reply. It is still broken. Amarok will start to play now
> that
> I have set keyboard to Generic Evdev but any attempt to use another button
> causes it to freeze and only power off restores control to system.
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 16:18:09 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:18:09 +0200
Subject: Multimedia Buttons Problem with Amarok on Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811030839.48921.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <200811030839.48921.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040818m4786760bq38c0991017d6c79d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/3 Ralph DeWitt <ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com>:
> I just did a full install of Kubuntu 8.10 retaining my home directory from a
> Opensuse 11.0 install. I am using a Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop and the
> multimedia buttons used to work on previous kubuntu installs. I am not sure if
> this is a kubuntu 8.10 problem or a problem caused by reusing my opensuse home
> partition? Could some one help me get this sorted out and working.

Please reopen this bug and comment on it:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal-info/+bug/281981

-- 
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From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 16:30:07 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:30:07 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040505x249fc84er93c18ffa394ce8d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811040505x249fc84er93c18ffa394ce8d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811041630.07958.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

I need to clarify a couple of things not covered by the 
original brief.

1. I'm using Kubuntu 7.10

2. My complaint is mostly about what all my complaints are 
about modern life, form over function. do you understand 
what that means? or form before function, or form senior to 
function. D**phin is one good example.

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 3. It is cluttered and poorly thought out to look at,
> > and merely seems like some other piece of software is
> > being copied in order to 'stay with the gang', Instant
> > impression was its trying to be like some well known m$
> > software.
>
> I need more detail than that. Something specific.

as an example it reminded me of korganiser/kcontact when it 
was given a 'side panel' ala ms outlook.

> > 4. Software panels that keep reconfiguring themselves
> > after one has made setting changes is not f****ing
> > friendly but stupid as someone else said. Years ago
> > when I wrote software I would never do that to my
> > users.
>
> Sounds like a bug. Can you please elaborate?

This has already been mentioned, I change the view settings, 
move to another location, up or down and they all resume 
default settings. I want to see my files not pretty icon 
pictures.

> > 5. There is a perfectly good file manager called
> > Konqueror which I have grown to love, if I want to use
> > another filemanager, which I do occasionally, I use
> > Krusader. I would never use D**phin and never will.
>
> And you have that choice! Isn't FOSS great?

don't be facetious.

> > 6. After having D**phin installed as default and the
> > experience of its constant rearranging of *my*
> > settings, it is unlikely I will ever look at this bit
> > of softare again, *EVER*.
>
> Wait until KDE 4.2 at least then.
>
I am not waiting at all. If it didn't keep coming up on this 
list I would have forgotten about it already.

> > 7. Just for good measure, its pig ugly!
>
> Could you be more specific? What would you change to make
> it not pig ugly? What components do not look good to you?

It reminds me of windbloes.

I would change nothing. Having read p.daniels excellent 
write up of Krusader, if konq is to disappear then I will 
go with that. I had a look at the home page as he suggested 
and there are many more features that it is capable of than 
I realised. Krusader is a great example of the opposite of 
form over function and I will most likely start using it a 
lot more than I did, seeing the way the wind seems to be 
blowing.

p.s. Not everyone wants the latest and greatest. I want 
something that actually will do the work and perform the 
functions that I need it to.

that is the best I can do. I haven't looked at D**phin in a 
long long time and don't intend to.

nepal.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 16:38:50 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:38:50 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811031837.44238.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811031837.44238.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <200811041638.50518.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, p.daniels wrote:
> If
> you're not familiar with Krusader, see the following (the
> first is their homepage, the second is a pretty good
> intro column): http://www.krusader.org/
> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/krusader_one_
>file_manager_rule_them_all

thankyou mr p.daniels for this. I checked both links out and 
most likely will slowly transit from konq to krusader for 
everything seeing as the writing seems to be on the wall 
for konq. I have used krusader here and there and 
especially like the way it lets me view .iso files and 
archives. The one thing it doesn't seem to offer is the 
directory tree to navigate with.

btw, anyone remember sweep for dos 3.0? that was my very 
first file manager. It got replaced by a much more 
functional XTree, now that was  a wicked fm. hehe. much 
better than NC! new flame war anyone ;)

nepal.



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov  4 16:46:19 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:46:19 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040714o7665fca7t89ee71d126aa6e8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
	<200811041446.40531.kassube@gmx.net>	<880dece00811040601j24fcb2bfx938fd6bd2124caab@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811040630u7a9afe64m1efdc44b13443b51@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040714o7665fca7t89ee71d126aa6e8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49107C5B.6070500@swbell.net>

Just for the record, here are a few of the things  like about Dolphin:

{ Disclaimer - I know everything here is available in Konqueror, et al }

1) I have it set to open at full screen width but about half height. 
Plenty of real estate for most functions.

2) Split pane makes it easy to drag and drop files and folders from one 
place/computer/hard drive to another.

3) The bread crumb trail helps me picture the file structure leading to 
where I am in a very concise manner not a big massive tree on the left 
side. It's easy to navigate back one view in only one pane.

4) Left panel is easy to find where I want to navigate. Home, Root, 
Storage Media, Network, etc.

5) Being CLI challenged and needing to edit a file I can navigate to it, 
hover over it, choose edit as root from the right pane. Usually Kate 
opens in and an automatic backup is made of the file.

6) If I need to have a terminal window in a particular directory for 
some reason it's easy. No messy changing directories in CLI.

7) The right hand pane. Somehow I managed to get Dolphin to always show 
details rather than icons [ sorry but I don't remember how I did it ]. 
When I hover over a file the image changes to a miniature of the file, 
or at least does it's best to do so. Makes it handy to find just the one 
I want. The usual right click options show below the image, no right 
click required. Just slide over and click.

I've had almost none of the issues I've seen raised lately. No crashes. 
It works fast. I have the forward and back arrows. The only issue I've 
noticed is that lately when I close Dolphin I get this box popping up 
that says it can't save bookmarks. It didn't used to do that but started 
suddenly a few weeks back. I think it somehow happened in an update of 
some sort. I haven't messed with it much in 8.10/4.x so it may be fixed 
in my clean install.

There are a couple things on my "wish list". Most notable is that I wish 
the "Show Hidden Files" would stick. Probably not a good idea for some 
people though.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 16:48:18 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:48:18 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811041630.07958.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811040505x249fc84er93c18ffa394ce8d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811041630.07958.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040848w2a1ab82dp352af6bdada7e824@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 nepal <nepal.roade at googlemail.com>:
> I need to clarify a couple of things not covered by the
> original brief.
>
> 1. I'm using Kubuntu 7.10
>

7.10 or 8.10? What version of KDE?

> 2. My complaint is mostly about what all my complaints are
> about modern life, form over function. do you understand
> what that means? or form before function, or form senior to
> function. D**phin is one good example.
>

Actually, Dolphin and KDE 4 are designed for function, but with form
in mind. I know that the current 4.1 is lacking on function. 4.2 will
be much, much better. In the meantime 3.5 is still supported.

>> > 3. It is cluttered and poorly thought out to look at,
>> > and merely seems like some other piece of software is
>> > being copied in order to 'stay with the gang', Instant
>> > impression was its trying to be like some well known m$
>> > software.
>>
>> I need more detail than that. Something specific.
>
> as an example it reminded me of korganiser/kcontact when it
> was given a 'side panel' ala ms outlook.
>

Specifically, what bothers you? Could you attach a screenshot
illustrating it? This is too vague. I am unfamiliar with MS Outlook.

>> > 4. Software panels that keep reconfiguring themselves
>> > after one has made setting changes is not f****ing
>> > friendly but stupid as someone else said. Years ago
>> > when I wrote software I would never do that to my
>> > users.
>>
>> Sounds like a bug. Can you please elaborate?
>
> This has already been mentioned, I change the view settings,
> move to another location, up or down and they all resume
> default settings. I want to see my files not pretty icon
> pictures.
>

This is configurable. I'm on KDE 3 at the moment, but it should not be
difficult to find under Options. If you click the toolbar button, it
does not 'stick'. If you set it in options, it does.

>> > 5. There is a perfectly good file manager called
>> > Konqueror which I have grown to love, if I want to use
>> > another filemanager, which I do occasionally, I use
>> > Krusader. I would never use D**phin and never will.
>>
>> And you have that choice! Isn't FOSS great?
>
> don't be facetious.
>

I will word it more clearly. You can continue to use Konqueror.
Distros are free to decide which file manager to make default.

>> > 6. After having D**phin installed as default and the
>> > experience of its constant rearranging of *my*
>> > settings, it is unlikely I will ever look at this bit
>> > of softare again, *EVER*.
>>
>> Wait until KDE 4.2 at least then.
>>
> I am not waiting at all. If it didn't keep coming up on this
> list I would have forgotten about it already.
>

Even better!

>> > 7. Just for good measure, its pig ugly!
>>
>> Could you be more specific? What would you change to make
>> it not pig ugly? What components do not look good to you?
>
> It reminds me of windbloes.
>

I am not familiar with windbloes. What specific details look ugly to
you? The shapes of the icons? The colours? The font?

> I would change nothing. Having read p.daniels excellent
> write up of Krusader, if konq is to disappear then I will
> go with that. I had a look at the home page as he suggested
> and there are many more features that it is capable of than
> I realised. Krusader is a great example of the opposite of
> form over function and I will most likely start using it a
> lot more than I did, seeing the way the wind seems to be
> blowing.
>

Krusader really is a great file manager. I highly recommend it,
especially for technical users like you and me. Dolphin is not for us.

> p.s. Not everyone wants the latest and greatest. I want
> something that actually will do the work and perform the
> functions that I need it to.
>

Please, whenever you find a function that you feel is missing, either
file a bug or write to the list and cc me. Thanks.

> that is the best I can do. I haven't looked at D**phin in a
> long long time and don't intend to.
>

Your comments are much appreciated.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 16:51:31 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:51:31 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <49107C5B.6070500@swbell.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net> <200811041446.40531.kassube@gmx.net>
	<880dece00811040601j24fcb2bfx938fd6bd2124caab@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811040630u7a9afe64m1efdc44b13443b51@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811040714o7665fca7t89ee71d126aa6e8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49107C5B.6070500@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040851o3e3c90efqe1b9a0dba250dffb@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
> Just for the record, here are a few of the things  like about Dolphin:
>
> { Disclaimer - I know everything here is available in Konqueror, et al }
>
> 1) I have it set to open at full screen width but about half height.
> Plenty of real estate for most functions.
>

How do you set this?

> 2) Split pane makes it easy to drag and drop files and folders from one
> place/computer/hard drive to another.
>
> 3) The bread crumb trail helps me picture the file structure leading to
> where I am in a very concise manner not a big massive tree on the left
> side. It's easy to navigate back one view in only one pane.
>

I love this, and even have it as a Firefox addon, called Location2.

> 4) Left panel is easy to find where I want to navigate. Home, Root,
> Storage Media, Network, etc.
>
> 5) Being CLI challenged and needing to edit a file I can navigate to it,
> hover over it, choose edit as root from the right pane. Usually Kate
> opens in and an automatic backup is made of the file.
>
> 6) If I need to have a terminal window in a particular directory for
> some reason it's easy. No messy changing directories in CLI.
>
> 7) The right hand pane. Somehow I managed to get Dolphin to always show
> details rather than icons [ sorry but I don't remember how I did it ].
> When I hover over a file the image changes to a miniature of the file,
> or at least does it's best to do so. Makes it handy to find just the one
> I want. The usual right click options show below the image, no right
> click required. Just slide over and click.
>
> I've had almost none of the issues I've seen raised lately. No crashes.
> It works fast. I have the forward and back arrows. The only issue I've
> noticed is that lately when I close Dolphin I get this box popping up
> that says it can't save bookmarks. It didn't used to do that but started
> suddenly a few weeks back. I think it somehow happened in an update of
> some sort. I haven't messed with it much in 8.10/4.x so it may be fixed
> in my clean install.
>

I haven't seen the bookmarks issue. Could you start a new thread with
the exact error message? This may be a bug.

> There are a couple things on my "wish list". Most notable is that I wish
> the "Show Hidden Files" would stick. Probably not a good idea for some
> people though.
>

I'd like to hear your wish list. I will look into the 'show hidden files' issue.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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From TonySivori at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 16:55:13 2008
From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:55:13 -0500
Subject: How Can I Stop KDE from Cycling Windows with the Mouse Wheel?
Message-ID: <pan.2008.11.04.16.55.13.264301@yahoo.com>

KDE 3.5.10 on Kubuntu 8.04, but earlier versions are affected too.

When the mouse pointer (Logitech MX510 with standard Kubuntu driver) is
all the way to the right of the document, web page, etc, instead of
scrolling down the mouse wheel cycles though all open windows.

Here's what I've tried so far:

System settings --> Mouse. Nothing to change.

System settings --> Desktop --> Behavior --> Mouse Button Actions. Set
"Middle button" to "No Action".

System settings --> Window Behavior --> Titlebar Actions. Set all "middle
button" and "wheel events" to "nothing".

System settings --> Window Behavior --> Window Actions. Set "middle
button" to lowest setting of "activate" (there is not any "disable" / "no
action" setting).

All the above failed miserably (no effect).

System settings --> Window Behavior --> Window Actions --> Advanced. Set
"Focus stealing prevention level" to "high". This finally stopped the
lower windows being brought to the top, but otherwise it failed. The
document / web page I'm trying to read no longer scrolls, and the task bar
flashes annoyingly for my attention. So it is not the solution that I'm
looking for.

I've Googled extensively, but I cannot find any relevant results.

Is there any way to stop the mouse wheel from cycling through windows?

-- 
Tony Sivori
Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters. 




From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk  Tue Nov  4 17:14:38 2008
From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:14:38 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040748p772716c4uedc0443afa9e4e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<49105FDB.3020904@candt.waitrose.com>
	<20081104152137.73ef5a6f.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
	<880dece00811040748p772716c4uedc0443afa9e4e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081104171438.36a5c343.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:48:28 +0200
"Dotan Cohen" <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:

DC> 2008/11/4 James Tappin <sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk>:
DC> > For me the big gripe about Dolphin is that it doesn't embed image
DC> > or text file display.
DC> >
DC> 
DC> That is a design feature, not a bug so far as I understand. But the
DC> Information sidebar should preview the files for you.
DC> 

I don't dispute that it's intended, I just don't like it. The ability to
open files in an embedded viewer is IMHO one of the best features of
konqueror.


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| sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham      | --  \/` |
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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 17:30:58 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:30:58 +0200
Subject: Border on KDE taskbar items
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040558h6eeaff09u68f573198a1cdec2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811040558h6eeaff09u68f573198a1cdec2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491086D2.2090708@gmail.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> The Opensuse taskbar in KDE 4.1 has a border around taskbar items,
> which are missing in Kubuntu's KDE 4.1. With apologies to Markus, here
> are his screenshots showing the differences in the KDE vs. Opensuse
> taskbar:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885 at N00/2991047111/sizes/o/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885 at N00/2991042741/sizes/o/in/photostream/
> 
> Can these borders be enabled in Kubuntu? Thanks in advance.
> 

yes, the icons are always flaky in the bar here too. as for the taskbar,
or as known now, task manager, right-click on desktop, desktop settings,
and check the desktop theme menu. check out the silicon theme, and the
heron theme, see if these are close to what you want. they change the
appearance of the bar, but i couldn't find one that's like Suse's.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 17:33:56 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:33:56 +0200
Subject: Border on KDE taskbar items
In-Reply-To: <491086D2.2090708@gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811040558h6eeaff09u68f573198a1cdec2@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/11/4 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> yes, the icons are always flaky in the bar here too. as for the taskbar,
> or as known now, task manager, right-click on desktop, desktop settings,
> and check the desktop theme menu. check out the silicon theme, and the
> heron theme, see if these are close to what you want. they change the
> appearance of the bar, but i couldn't find one that's like Suse's.
>

Thanks, Willy. I'm not actually near the KDE 4 machine now, but I will
look at that next week.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 17:34:00 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:34:00 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040848w2a1ab82dp352af6bdada7e824@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/4 nepal <nepal.roade at googlemail.com>:
> > I need to clarify a couple of things not covered by the
> > original brief.
> >
> > 1. I'm using Kubuntu 7.10
>
> 7.10 or 8.10? 

??? can you not see the line above yours?

> What version of KDE? 

3.5.8.

> > 2. My complaint is mostly about what all my complaints
> > are about modern life, form over function. do you
> > understand what that means? or form before function, or
> > form senior to function. D**phin is one good example.
>
> Actually, Dolphin and KDE 4 are designed for function,
> but with form in mind. I know that the current 4.1 is
> lacking on function. 4.2 will be much, much better. In
> the meantime 3.5 is still supported.
>
> >> > 3. It is cluttered and poorly thought out to look
> >> > at, and merely seems like some other piece of
> >> > software is being copied in order to 'stay with the
> >> > gang', Instant impression was its trying to be like
> >> > some well known m$ software.
> >>
> >> I need more detail than that. Something specific.
> >
> > as an example it reminded me of korganiser/kcontact
> > when it was given a 'side panel' ala ms outlook.
>
> Specifically, what bothers you? Could you attach a
> screenshot illustrating it? This is too vague. I am
> unfamiliar with MS Outlook.

No, too many years ago.

> >> > 4. Software panels that keep reconfiguring
> >> > themselves after one has made setting changes is not
> >> > f****ing friendly but stupid as someone else said.
> >> > Years ago when I wrote software I would never do
> >> > that to my users.
> >>
> >> Sounds like a bug. Can you please elaborate?
> >
> > This has already been mentioned, I change the view
> > settings, move to another location, up or down and they
> > all resume default settings. I want to see my files not
> > pretty icon pictures.
>
> This is configurable. I'm on KDE 3 at the moment, but it
> should not be difficult to find under Options. If you
> click the toolbar button, it does not 'stick'. If you set
> it in options, it does.
>
> >> > 5. There is a perfectly good file manager called
> >> > Konqueror which I have grown to love, if I want to
> >> > use another filemanager, which I do occasionally, I
> >> > use Krusader. I would never use D**phin and never
> >> > will.
> >>
> >> And you have that choice! Isn't FOSS great?
> >
> > don't be facetious.
>
> I will word it more clearly. You can continue to use
> Konqueror. Distros are free to decide which file manager
> to make default.

You don't need to re-word it any way, I perfectly understood 
your line and thought it facetious. Don't you know what 
that means?

> >> > 6. After having D**phin installed as default and the
> >> > experience of its constant rearranging of *my*
> >> > settings, it is unlikely I will ever look at this
> >> > bit of softare again, *EVER*.
> >>
> >> Wait until KDE 4.2 at least then.
> >
> > I am not waiting at all. If it didn't keep coming up on
> > this list I would have forgotten about it already.
>
> Even better!
>
> >> > 7. Just for good measure, its pig ugly!
> >>
> >> Could you be more specific? What would you change to
> >> make it not pig ugly? What components do not look good
> >> to you?
> >
> > It reminds me of windbloes.
>
> I am not familiar with windbloes. What specific details
> look ugly to you? The shapes of the icons? The colours?
> The font?

Can't say, whenever I look at a windbloes screen, I throw up 
all over it obscuring everything. ;)

What you are getting is the impression I was left with when 
I had the misfortune of coming into contact with D**phin.

btw, I think Gnome is pig ugly too, but I do like their 
icons.

> > I would change nothing. Having read p.daniels excellent
> > write up of Krusader, if konq is to disappear then I
> > will go with that. I had a look at the home page as he
> > suggested and there are many more features that it is
> > capable of than I realised. Krusader is a great example
> > of the opposite of form over function and I will most
> > likely start using it a lot more than I did, seeing the
> > way the wind seems to be blowing.
>
> Krusader really is a great file manager. I highly
> recommend it, especially for technical users like you and
> me. Dolphin is not for us.

so why do you keep asking me about it?
especially when I've made it clear I have NO interest in it 
whatsoever and haven't looked at it in a long long time.

> > p.s. Not everyone wants the latest and greatest. I want
> > something that actually will do the work and perform
> > the functions that I need it to.
>
> Please, whenever you find a function that you feel is
> missing, either file a bug or write to the list and cc
> me. Thanks.

ok.

> > that is the best I can do. I haven't looked at D**phin
> > in a long long time and don't intend to.
>
> Your comments are much appreciated.
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il

nepal.



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 17:40:11 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:40:11 +0200
Subject: A compromise solution.
In-Reply-To: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>
References: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811040940g13706389tb8b64d789c6dfd53@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Kaj Haulrich <kaj at haulrich.net>:
> Just in case someone here ran into the same sort of problems as I
> did, I'll share a few ideas:
>
> I tried several times to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10: no go.
> Everything locked up. Then, fresh install: still no go, only the
> upper half of my screen was visible. After some fiddling with
> X.org.conf I got a full screen and began to use KDE4. Then I
> discovered - like many others here - that I had lost a lot of
> functionality, especially Konqueror, but lots of other things too,
> like all the options to customize my desktop easily.
>
> OK, i gave up. Here's what I did in order to get happy again:
>
> Fresh install of Ubuntu 8.10. Well, no decent file manager here
> either, only the crappy nautilus. But the install went without a
> hiccup. Then, installed kubuntu-desktop, kmail etc.. Fine, but still
> no usable file manager. Installed krusader, which is a bit 'over the
> top' for me. So I found a fine compromise between unusable Dolphin
> and the geeky Krusader: 'emelfm2' (sudo apt-get install emelfm2).
>
> So, now I have the best of two worlds: KDE + Gnome + a very fine and
> potent file manager with a intuitive, graphic interface. Now I can
> keep on upgrading both flavours automagically until KDE4 reaches
> maturity. Happy days are here again...
>
> Kaj Haulrich.

Kaj, Konqueror is still available in KDE 4.1. It does use Dolphin for
the backend, but the UI is Konqueror as we know and love it.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 17:53:49 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:53:49 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811041734.00720.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811041630.07958.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811040848w2a1ab82dp352af6bdada7e824@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/11/4 nepal <nepal.roade at googlemail.com>:
> On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 2008/11/4 nepal <nepal.roade at googlemail.com>:
>> > I need to clarify a couple of things not covered by the
>> > original brief.
>> >
>> > 1. I'm using Kubuntu 7.10
>>
>> 7.10 or 8.10?
>
> ??? can you not see the line above yours?
>

I wanted to clarify. Although 7.10 is still supported by Canonical, it
is not the state of KDE art. I thought that maybe you had typed 7.10
instead of 8.10 out of habit. In a similar fashion, to this day I
start writing dates with 19^w^w200...

>> What version of KDE?
>
> 3.5.8.
>

Two versions behind the current.

>> > as an example it reminded me of korganiser/kcontact
>> > when it was given a 'side panel' ala ms outlook.
>>
>> Specifically, what bothers you? Could you attach a
>> screenshot illustrating it? This is too vague. I am
>> unfamiliar with MS Outlook.
>
> No, too many years ago.
>

I meant, could you send a screenshot of Dolphin specifying what bother
you. However, it would need to be a later version, preferably 4.1 or
Trunk.

>> I will word it more clearly. You can continue to use
>> Konqueror. Distros are free to decide which file manager
>> to make default.
>
> You don't need to re-word it any way, I perfectly understood
> your line and thought it facetious. Don't you know what
> that means?
>

Actually, I've never heard the word. I am not a native English speaker
and the fault is on my, not you. I could google it, but I figured that
it would be simpler for me to clarify. I will make it a point to learn
the word, however.

>> > It reminds me of windbloes.
>>
>> I am not familiar with windbloes. What specific details
>> look ugly to you? The shapes of the icons? The colours?
>> The font?
>
> Can't say, whenever I look at a windbloes screen, I throw up
> all over it obscuring everything. ;)
>

I'm sorry, I can't help with that. When you have issues with KDE then
let me know what they are and I will either help you address them or
file a bug. I am not active in the winbloes community and have no
interest.

> What you are getting is the impression I was left with when
> I had the misfortune of coming into contact with D**phin.
>

I agree that d3lphin was a terrible file manager and it should never
have been the default in Kubuntu. Dolphin is just getting to the point
where I am using it on KDE 4 systems, but I still recommend to wait
until 4.2.

>> Krusader really is a great file manager. I highly
>> recommend it, especially for technical users like you and
>> me. Dolphin is not for us.
>
> so why do you keep asking me about it?
> especially when I've made it clear I have NO interest in it
> whatsoever and haven't looked at it in a long long time.

I asked in a general sense what is disliked about Dolphin in this
thread. In fact, if you have no interest in Dolphin then I don't know
why you are posting in this thread. In any case, I am very interested
in knowing what users do not like about Dolphin so that I can help
improve it. You don't have to tell me. However, complaining that
something is not how you like, however not specifying exactly what it
is that you like, does not seem very productive to me. My interest is
in filing bugs in Dolphin and making it better for users, including
you.

>> Please, whenever you find a function that you feel is
>> missing, either file a bug or write to the list and cc
>> me. Thanks.
>
> ok.
>

Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Tue Nov  4 18:08:36 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:08:36 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811041638.50518.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811031837.44238.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<200811041638.50518.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
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nepal wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 November 2008, p.daniels wrote:
>> If
>> you're not familiar with Krusader, see the following (the
>> first is their homepage, the second is a pretty good
>> intro column): http://www.krusader.org/
>> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/krusader_one_
>> file_manager_rule_them_all
> 
> thankyou mr p.daniels for this. I checked both links out and 
> most likely will slowly transit from konq to krusader for 
> everything seeing as the writing seems to be on the wall 
> for konq. I have used krusader here and there and 
> especially like the way it lets me view .iso files and 
> archives. The one thing it doesn't seem to offer is the 
> directory tree to navigate with.

> nepal.
> 

Yes it does!
See this screenshot:
http://www.krusader.org/screenshotsfs.php?limit=3&next=21

Blessings,

Nigel

-- 



From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Tue Nov  4 18:12:29 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:12:29 -0600
Subject: Retarded != Stupid (was Re: Why do people dislike Dolphin?)
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On Monday November 3 2008 08:33:45 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
> Because D3lphin was pretty much utterly retarded compared to Konqueror.

Not to be a nitpicker and not to call you particularly out, Derek, because 
I've seen other people use it on this list as well, but could we please not 
use "retarded" as a synonym for "bad/stupid?"

I have a mildly disabled brother whom I love. "Retarded" when misused in this 
manner is a fairly offensive word to me, pretty close to what I assume people 
of color feel when they hear (that other word that civilized folk don't use). 
We're all on the right side of the bell curve here, our vocabularies are 
bigger than that.

Respectfully yours,
p.daniels



From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Tue Nov  4 18:17:40 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:17:40 -0600
Subject: Krusader Tips (was Re: Why do people dislike Dolphin?)
In-Reply-To: <200811041638.50518.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811031837.44238.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<200811041638.50518.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811041217.40918.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Tuesday November 4 2008 10:38:50 am nepal wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 November 2008, p.daniels wrote:
> > If
> > you're not familiar with Krusader, see the following (the
> > first is their homepage, the second is a pretty good
> > intro column): http://www.krusader.org/
> > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/krusader_one_
> >file_manager_rule_them_all
>
> thankyou mr p.daniels for this. I checked both links out and
> most likely will slowly transit from konq to krusader for
> everything seeing as the writing seems to be on the wall
> for konq. I have used krusader here and there and
> especially like the way it lets me view .iso files and
> archives. The one thing it doesn't seem to offer is the
> directory tree to navigate with.

If you press Alt-DownArrow from within either pane, the "preview panel" (is 
that what it's called?) will appear beneath it. The first icon on the left of 
the preview panel will open a tree view with the present directory selected. 
Navigating within the tree view will also move you around in the pane above 
it.

happy hacking-
p.daniels



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 18:38:47 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:38:47 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040505x249fc84er93c18ffa394ce8d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811040505x249fc84er93c18ffa394ce8d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491096B7.4090004@gmail.com>

more from me :P

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/4 nepal <nepal.roade at googlemail.com>:
>> On Monday 03 November 2008, Herman Holmström wrote:
>>> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of
>>> gnome, and I like Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I
>>> just don't understand why people think it's so bad. I
>>> mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to browse
>>> and move my files. Which pretty much any file manager
>>> does. I can understand if a file manager is utterly
>>> retarded and crashes and, well, just doesn't work. Why is
>>> it that so many hates Dolphin?
>> 1. Being forced to use it by default.
>>
> 
> Agreed, that was a bad decision on Kubuntu's part.
> 
>> 2. Poor use of on-screen space, showing information in
>> panels that I only need occasionally. This is achieved much
>> better by tool tips than wasting screen real estate.
>>
> 
> Only us power user think that. Really. And we can configure that.

my 1st impression when i saw dolphin in gutsy was, wtf? oh boy, i'm
going to need to scroll a lot to see my cluttered directories. in short,
it showed, big icons, used half the screen only, the rest is used by
useless bars. in KDE4, it got a better UI, but still...

> 
>> 3. It is cluttered and poorly thought out to look at, and
>> merely seems like some other piece of software is being
>> copied in order to 'stay with the gang', Instant impression
>> was its trying to be like some well known m$ software.
>>
> 
> I need more detail than that. Something specific.
> 
>> 4. Software panels that keep reconfiguring themselves after
>> one has made setting changes is not f****ing friendly but
>> stupid as someone else said. Years ago when I wrote
>> software I would never do that to my users.
>>
> 
> Sounds like a bug. Can you please elaborate?
> 
>> 5. There is a perfectly good file manager called Konqueror
>> which I have grown to love, if I want to use another
>> filemanager, which I do occasionally, I use Krusader. I
>> would never use D**phin and never will.
>>
> 
> And you have that choice! Isn't FOSS great?

but now even konqueror lost it's features! right-click, extract options,
i miss them like hell. copy text, and paste in konq, creates a new text
file, also missing :( and a lot more of these tiny details that we had
tons of, all missing. so basically i'm left with no decent file manager
at all. i tried krusader, didn't like it. and as for konq's tons of
settings, i LOVED them, i hate barely configurable applications, one of
the first things i learned when i started to use linux was," look
around, see all this stuff, every single pixel is configurable, you can
configure an application so far from the defaults, it would barely be
recognizable anymore. and this is a general rule for almost all
applications in linux, but dolphin? do you even consider those available
as **settings**?

> 
>> 6. After having D**phin installed as default and the
>> experience of its constant rearranging of *my* settings, it
>> is unlikely I will ever look at this bit of softare again,
>> *EVER*.
>>
> 
> Wait until KDE 4.2 at least then.

i'm waiting, very waiting. but after hearing this a lot, i'm afraid it
will really be a HUGE blow to me if KDE 4.2 turns out to be just a
slightly improved KDE 4.1 . let's hope it's far better as everyone keeps
saying.

> 
>> 7. Just for good measure, its pig ugly!
>>
> 
> Could you be more specific? What would you change to make it not pig
> ugly? What components do not look good to you?
> 

for some reason, i look at all KDE4 applications in general, and have
this feeling that they are running in legacy or something, like they're
GTK apps running in KDE, or some wine program, the colouring is aweful,
and the general interaction makes you feel the apps are not in their
native environment, very minimal compared to KDE3. there's even more
trouble, but i read somewhere about a lot of the rendering bugs caused
by nvidia's proprietary driver, so now, i can't tell for sure if a
certain bugs is KDE's fault, or nvidia's fault. like the missing and
flaky icons in the bottom right corner, windows hanging when moved, and
general stuff like that. and come to think about it, probably nvidia's
bugs are those responsible for the sluggishness of apps in KDE4 compared
to their responsivness in GNOME. we need some non-nvidia user to confirm
this.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 18:39:36 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:39:36 +0200
Subject: Krusader Tips (was Re: Why do people dislike Dolphin?)
In-Reply-To: <200811041217.40918.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811031837.44238.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<200811041638.50518.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811041217.40918.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041039j643c241bj73c74ec89884a6dd@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
> If you press Alt-DownArrow from within either pane, the "preview panel" (is
> that what it's called?) will appear beneath it. The first icon on the left of
> the preview panel will open a tree view with the present directory selected.
> Navigating within the tree view will also move you around in the pane above
> it.
>

Nice, thanks! How does one configure the embedded terminal not to save
it's history to the history file? I played with a few options but
could not find anything. Thanks.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 18:46:09 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:46:09 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <49108FA4.70006@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811041638.50518.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<49108FA4.70006@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <200811041846.09643.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote:
> Yes it does!
> See this screenshot:
> http://www.krusader.org/screenshotsfs.php?limit=3&next=21
>
> Blessings,
>
> Nigel

I already saw that, ran Krusader (ver 1.80.0) and tried it, 
but it does not sychronise with either of the file display 
panels AFAICT. That is what I meant by "navigate with".

unless you know otherwise.

nepal.



From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Tue Nov  4 18:50:24 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:50:24 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811041846.09643.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<49108FA4.70006@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811041846.09643.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811041250.25258.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Tuesday November 4 2008 12:46:09 pm nepal wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote:
> > Yes it does!
> > See this screenshot:
> > http://www.krusader.org/screenshotsfs.php?limit=3&next=21
> >
> > Blessings,
> >
> > Nigel
>
> I already saw that, ran Krusader (ver 1.80.0) and tried it,
> but it does not sychronise with either of the file display
> panels AFAICT. That is what I meant by "navigate with".
>
> unless you know otherwise.
>
> nepal.

It does in 2.00 beta 2 svn. That's all I can say for sure.

-p.



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 18:57:35 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:57:35 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <491096B7.4090004@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
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2008/11/4 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> but now even konqueror lost it's features! right-click, extract options,
> i miss them like hell. copy text, and paste in konq, creates a new text
> file, also missing :( and a lot more of these tiny details that we had
> tons of, all missing. so basically i'm left with no decent file manager
> at all. i tried krusader, didn't like it. and as for konq's tons of
> settings, i LOVED them, i hate barely configurable applications, one of
> the first things i learned when i started to use linux was," look
> around, see all this stuff, every single pixel is configurable, you can
> configure an application so far from the defaults, it would barely be
> recognizable anymore. and this is a general rule for almost all
> applications in linux, but dolphin? do you even consider those available
> as **settings**?

Thanks. All these features have open bugs in Bugzilla, I think. I will
go through them one by one and the ones that I cannot find I will
open. If you notice anything else missing in Konqueror (which is
getting a lot less attention than Dolphin these days) then please let
me know.

>> Wait until KDE 4.2 at least then.
>
> i'm waiting, very waiting. but after hearing this a lot, i'm afraid it
> will really be a HUGE blow to me if KDE 4.2 turns out to be just a
> slightly improved KDE 4.1 . let's hope it's far better as everyone keeps
> saying.
>

It will be an improved KDE 4.1 with many of KDE 3's features. Not yet
everything, but almost everything that is a common complaint.

> for some reason, i look at all KDE4 applications in general, and have
> this feeling that they are running in legacy or something, like they're
> GTK apps running in KDE, or some wine program, the colouring is aweful,
> and the general interaction makes you feel the apps are not in their
> native environment, very minimal compared to KDE3.

I agree that the default Oxygen theme is terrible. Please file a bug
at BKO on this. I thought that there was one but I cannot find it. I
had a long argument with KDE devs over this and the conclusion was
that I am alone in thinking that the default theme looks both bad and
outdated.

> there's even more
> trouble, but i read somewhere about a lot of the rendering bugs caused
> by nvidia's proprietary driver, so now, i can't tell for sure if a
> certain bugs is KDE's fault, or nvidia's fault.

Post a screenshot.

> like the missing and
> flaky icons in the bottom right corner,

KDE's fault:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158094

> windows hanging when moved,

I have not seen that. Please post an issue at Launchpad (not BKO) and
if need be I'll take it upstream.

> and general stuff like that.

Be specific, tell me more.

> and come to think about it, probably nvidia's
> bugs are those responsible for the sluggishness of apps in KDE4 compared
> to their responsivness in GNOME. we need some non-nvidia user to confirm
> this.

KDE 4 is _fast_. Much faster than KDE 3.5 on the systems that I've had
both installed on. KDE 4 takes some time to load, but once it's up it
flies.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:12:19 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:12:19 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin? to Nigel and p.daniels
In-Reply-To: <49108FA4.70006@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811041638.50518.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<49108FA4.70006@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <200811041912.20016.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote:
> nepal wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 November 2008, p.daniels wrote:
> >> If
> >> you're not familiar with Krusader, see the following
> >> (the first is their homepage, the second is a pretty
> >> good intro column): http://www.krusader.org/
> >> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/krusader_o
> >>ne_ file_manager_rule_them_all
> >
> > thankyou mr p.daniels for this. I checked both links
> > out and most likely will slowly transit from konq to
> > krusader for everything seeing as the writing seems to
> > be on the wall for konq. I have used krusader here and
> > there and especially like the way it lets me view .iso
> > files and archives. The one thing it doesn't seem to
> > offer is the directory tree to navigate with.
> >
> > nepal.
>
> Yes it does!
> See this screenshot:
> http://www.krusader.org/screenshotsfs.php?limit=3&next=21
>
> Blessings,
>
> Nigel
>
> --

hehe, now who feels stupid? ;)

I don't know why I didn't get this earlier today, but tried 
it again and it does work and depending on which file 
display list panel is selected the tree navigates it!

Excellent!

Not exactly how I like the layout, I generally have konq 
with a tree view (F9) panel and a vertically split pane 
with two file list views, but I'm going to have to 
seriously look at making this my first choice now, if I can 
get along with its ways.

many thanks! (especially to the Krew)

nepal.





From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:16:21 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:16:21 +0000
Subject: was Why do people dislike Dolphin? - is my system screwed?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040953o46480108g2f81f7fbd7b82b50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811041734.00720.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811040953o46480108g2f81f7fbd7b82b50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811041916.21485.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> What version of KDE?
> >
> > 3.5.8.
>
> Two versions behind the current.

Don't see how that can be. Adept Notifier does not agree 
with you as in there are no kde updates outstanding and 
AFAIR I have always updated kde via Notifier.

but looking in Adept Manager, I don't have kde installed at 
all! hah!

not kde4, just kde. WTF?

is my system screwed or something, I really don't understand 
this at all.

nepal.




From kaj at haulrich.net  Tue Nov  4 19:21:43 2008
From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:21:43 +0100
Subject: A compromise solution.
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040940g13706389tb8b64d789c6dfd53@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>
	<880dece00811040940g13706389tb8b64d789c6dfd53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1225826503.8035.2.camel@haulrich>

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 19:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/4 Kaj Haulrich <kaj at haulrich.net>:
> > Just in case someone here ran into the same sort of problems as I
> > did, I'll share a few ideas:
> >
> > I tried several times to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10: no go.
> > Everything locked up. Then, fresh install: still no go, only the
> > upper half of my screen was visible. After some fiddling with
> > X.org.conf I got a full screen and began to use KDE4. Then I
> > discovered - like many others here - that I had lost a lot of
> > functionality, especially Konqueror, but lots of other things too,
> > like all the options to customize my desktop easily.
> >
> > OK, i gave up. Here's what I did in order to get happy again:
> >
> > Fresh install of Ubuntu 8.10. Well, no decent file manager here
> > either, only the crappy nautilus. But the install went without a
> > hiccup. Then, installed kubuntu-desktop, kmail etc.. Fine, but still
> > no usable file manager. Installed krusader, which is a bit 'over the
> > top' for me. So I found a fine compromise between unusable Dolphin
> > and the geeky Krusader: 'emelfm2' (sudo apt-get install emelfm2).
> >
> > So, now I have the best of two worlds: KDE + Gnome + a very fine and
> > potent file manager with a intuitive, graphic interface. Now I can
> > keep on upgrading both flavours automagically until KDE4 reaches
> > maturity. Happy days are here again...
> >
> > Kaj Haulrich.
> 
> Kaj, Konqueror is still available in KDE 4.1. It does use Dolphin for
> the backend, but the UI is Konqueror as we know and love it.

Yes Dohan, the konqueror as a web browser is still there, but try to use
it as a file manager.....    :-(

Kaj Haulrich.




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:25:41 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:25:41 +0200
Subject: was Why do people dislike Dolphin? - is my system screwed?
In-Reply-To: <200811041916.21485.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811041734.00720.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811040953o46480108g2f81f7fbd7b82b50@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811041916.21485.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041125t5363cc1dxcb50abefb92a36b4@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 nepal <nepal.roade at googlemail.com>:
> On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> >> What version of KDE?
>> >
>> > 3.5.8.
>>
>> Two versions behind the current.
>
> Don't see how that can be. Adept Notifier does not agree
> with you as in there are no kde updates outstanding and
> AFAIR I have always updated kde via Notifier.
>
> but looking in Adept Manager, I don't have kde installed at
> all! hah!
>
> not kde4, just kde. WTF?
>
> is my system screwed or something, I really don't understand
> this at all.
>
> nepal.
>

As there were no security updates for 3.5.8 that has remained the
version available for Kubuntu 7.10. You might find 3.5.10 in the
backports or you might have to upgrade to get it. If you are a KDEPIM
user you will definitely notice a difference.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Tue Nov  4 19:27:17 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:27:17 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin? to Nigel and p.daniels
In-Reply-To: <200811041912.20016.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<49108FA4.70006@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811041912.20016.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811041327.17544.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Tuesday November 4 2008 01:12:19 pm nepal wrote:
> hehe, now who feels stupid? ;)
>
> I don't know why I didn't get this earlier today, but tried
> it again and it does work and depending on which file
> display list panel is selected the tree navigates it!
>
> Excellent!
>
> Not exactly how I like the layout, I generally have konq
> with a tree view (F9) panel and a vertically split pane
> with two file list views, but I'm going to have to
> seriously look at making this my first choice now, if I can
> get along with its ways.
>
> many thanks! (especially to the Krew)
>
> nepal.

Read the manual, front to back. I can't stress that enough. I'm not usually 
the type of guy to real the *entire* manual for many things, but with 
Krusader, you really really should. Krusader's probably the single most 
complex application that I use on a daily basis, and it's got powers that you 
wouldn't even guess are in there without reading the manual.

It's *long,* but it's well written, includes all the screenshots you could 
need, and is completely exhaustive. Every option in every screen is covered.

http://www.krusader.org/handbook/index.html

happy hacking-
p.



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:28:25 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:28:25 +0200
Subject: A compromise solution.
In-Reply-To: <1225826503.8035.2.camel@haulrich>
References: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>
	<880dece00811040940g13706389tb8b64d789c6dfd53@mail.gmail.com>
	<1225826503.8035.2.camel@haulrich>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041128l26d1d6c1x7010ef0d2d323713@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Kaj Haulrich <kaj at haulrich.net>:
>> Kaj, Konqueror is still available in KDE 4.1. It does use Dolphin for
>> the backend, but the UI is Konqueror as we know and love it.
>
> Yes Dohan, the konqueror as a web browser is still there, but try to use
> it as a file manager.....    :-(
>
> Kaj Haulrich.
>

There are various threads going on right now at this list and others,
but if you let me know what you feel is missing I will either let you
know how to configure it or file bug reports on it. Konqueror uses the
Dolphin component for file management, but it's own UI. So far as I
understand, in KDE 4.1 the only thing missing from Konqueror as a file
manager is the rich context menu. If anything else is missing, please
let me know!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:30:48 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:30:48 -0500
Subject: update to 8.04 issue
In-Reply-To: <c34709020811040154u734b1b86m8794f33fde6d7900@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MPG.2376cf195cbc4c46989b70@news.gmane.org>
	<c34709020811040154u734b1b86m8794f33fde6d7900@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811041130q46510591l52385e20d96beda9@mail.gmail.com>

> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 8:40 PM, marc <gmane at auxbuss.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just updated to 8.04. Mostly it went okay. I detest the fact that
>> Kubuntu insists on changing the KDM login setup on every update, but
>> other that hosing the samba setup, it went well.
>>
>> One problem remains, however, I use KDM, but now when I log out, I'm
>> presented with tty 1. There's no error msg thrown out, just a command
>> prompt sitting there blinking at me. I can ctrl+alt to all ttys. tty8 is
>> pretty much dead, but I can ctrl+alt+del to reboot.

Sounds like kdm is not reloading.  I have this problem occasionally
with 8.04 and kdm4.

To restart from tty1,
sudo /etc/init.d/kdm4 restart

Not a fix, but a workaround.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:30:54 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:30:54 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040953o46480108g2f81f7fbd7b82b50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811041734.00720.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811040953o46480108g2f81f7fbd7b82b50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811041930.54229.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I asked in a general sense what is disliked about Dolphin
> in this thread. 

I have no idea what you did. The thread started with Herman 
Homlstrom asking per the thread title, and that is what I 
responded to.

> In fact, if you have no interest in 
> Dolphin then I don't know why you are posting in this
> thread. In any case, I am very interested in knowing what
> users do not like about Dolphin so that I can help
> improve it. 

You are asking things that I cannot answer. I'm stopping 
talking to you now I don't appreciate your attitude at all.

> You don't have to tell me. However, 
> complaining that something is not how you like, however
> not specifying exactly what it is that you like, does not
> seem very productive to me. 

Who says I have to be productive? 

does your arrogance come naturally or did you have to work 
at it?

> My interest is in filing bugs 
> in Dolphin and making it better for users, including you.

good for you, and it is NOT for me as I've already made 
clear.

nepal.



From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:44:09 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:44:09 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
In-Reply-To: <49101D6D.50200@gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00810311730y219371adkd21b292354b8b778@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W15FCACFD6B9A160202197CCD230@phx.gbl>
	<49101D6D.50200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W23DE337A143B0AB77D853ECD1C0@phx.gbl>


How to I install, setup and use Korn

ray
----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:01:17 +0300
> From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
> 
> Ray Burke wrote:
>> 2008/11/1 Ray Burke :
>>   
>>> Dotan, All I want is to view the number of emails per ISP I have,
> Try korn for that. It's propably under Internet->More Applications
> 
> $apt-cache show korn
> ...
>  Description: KDE mail checker
>  Korn is a KDE mail checker that can display a small summary in the Kicker
>  tray.  It supports checking mbox, pop3, imap4, and nntp sources.
>  .
>  Once mail is received you can have Korn run a third party program or change
>  the color/icon of the Kicker display.  In addition to this you can have
>  Korn run a program once you click on the docked icon in Kicker.
> 
> 
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:47:25 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:47:25 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin? to Nigel and p.daniels
In-Reply-To: <200811041327.17544.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<49108FA4.70006@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811041912.20016.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811041327.17544.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <f495db580811041147g9f14bc1q8a2481c91e5692cb@mail.gmail.com>

> Read the manual, front to back. I can't stress that enough. I'm not usually
> the type of guy to real the *entire* manual for many things, but with
> Krusader, you really really should. Krusader's probably the single most
> complex application that I use on a daily basis, and it's got powers that you
> wouldn't even guess are in there without reading the manual.
>
> It's *long,* but it's well written, includes all the screenshots you could
> need, and is completely exhaustive. Every option in every screen is covered.
>
> http://www.krusader.org/handbook/index.html
>
> happy hacking-
> p.

Sounds like Blender3d. Crazy good app but you MUST learn it. It can do
almost anything with art and film and sound, IF you know how to use
it. Drives Newbies nuts.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:48:06 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:48:06 +0200
Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W23DE337A143B0AB77D853ECD1C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00810311730y219371adkd21b292354b8b778@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W15FCACFD6B9A160202197CCD230@phx.gbl>
	<49101D6D.50200@gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W23DE337A143B0AB77D853ECD1C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041148y3c49557em24c45f19b4be99a9@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
> How to I install, setup and use Korn
>

$ sudo apt-get install korn

You will need to know the incoming mail server address, protocol (POP3
or IMAP), the username and the password.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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http://gibberish.co.il
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From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:49:19 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:49:19 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <c34709020811040031h348feba5nc4329a792e6cf38e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<c34709020811040031h348feba5nc4329a792e6cf38e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W117FBD55204D41ECE7938ECD1C0@phx.gbl>


I want an app to be able to keep an ongoing record of diai-up times
loged onto the net like timeup apps in windows xp

ray
----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:31:32 +0100
> From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
> 
> Hi Ray,
> 
> sorry, but I can't understand your message :(
> 
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Ray Burke  wrote:
>> Anyone out there no of an linux/kubuntu apps that is able to monitor the
>> dial-up using the amount
>> have used in the previous sessions on daily basis plus monthly then store
>> all this info for counting
>> purposes.
>>
>>
>>
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> 
> 
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:44:48 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:44:48 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811041057v7f926a49pde31e6b77e09b2e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811040505x249fc84er93c18ffa394ce8d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<491096B7.4090004@gmail.com>
	<880dece00811041057v7f926a49pde31e6b77e09b2e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811041144n2b81861fmb11f4e32b6c86ae5@mail.gmail.com>

> I agree that the default Oxygen theme is terrible. Please file a bug
> at BKO on this. I thought that there was one but I cannot find it. I
> had a long argument with KDE devs over this and the conclusion was
> that I am alone in thinking that the default theme looks both bad and
> outdated.
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen

Devs are know industry wide for their good tastes and artistic
abilities. Perhaps they just compare the program to the people that
will date devs? Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. (Yes, this is a
joke. And yes, I am a dev of sorts :-) Sorry to anyone that finds it
in poor tastes. I know it is on the edge.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 19:55:51 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:55:51 +0200
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <c34709020811040031h348feba5nc4329a792e6cf38e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<c34709020811040031h348feba5nc4329a792e6cf38e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041155i68437cccu75959c52132d0997@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Myriam Schweingruber <schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch>:
> Hi Ray,
>
> sorry, but I can't understand your message :(
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyone out there no of an linux/kubuntu apps that is able to monitor the
>> dial-up using the amount
>> have used in the previous sessions on daily basis plus monthly then store
>> all this info for counting
>> purposes.
>>

He needs an app that will time how long he is connected to his ISP. I
am unfamiliar with such an app, but I will look for one.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:00:31 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:00:31 +0200
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041200j16afe303p11c09fe014163951@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/1 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
> Anyone out there no of an linux/kubuntu apps that is able to monitor the
> dial-up using the amount
> have used in the previous sessions on daily basis plus monthly then store
> all this info for counting
> purposes.
>

It seems that wvdial has a timer function. Give that a try.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov  4 20:01:28 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:01:28 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040851o3e3c90efqe1b9a0dba250dffb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
	<200811041446.40531.kassube@gmx.net>	<880dece00811040601j24fcb2bfx938fd6bd2124caab@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811040630u7a9afe64m1efdc44b13443b51@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811040714o7665fca7t89ee71d126aa6e8a@mail.gmail.com>	<49107C5B.6070500@swbell.net>
	<880dece00811040851o3e3c90efqe1b9a0dba250dffb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4910AA18.50500@swbell.net>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/4 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>   
>> Just for the record, here are a few of the things  like about Dolphin:
>>
>> { Disclaimer - I know everything here is available in Konqueror, et al }
>>
>> 1) I have it set to open at full screen width but about half height.
>> Plenty of real estate for most functions.
>>
>>     
>
> How do you set this?
>   
Grabbed a corner and drug it to where I wanted it. The setting stuck. I 
booted into 8.10 and tried the same trick and it stuck there also.

>   
>> 2) Split pane makes it easy to drag and drop files and folders from one
>> place/computer/hard drive to another.
>>
>> 3) The bread crumb trail helps me picture the file structure leading to
>> where I am in a very concise manner not a big massive tree on the left
>> side. It's easy to navigate back one view in only one pane.
>>
>>     
>
> I love this, and even have it as a Firefox addon, called Location2.
>
>   
>> 4) Left panel is easy to find where I want to navigate. Home, Root,
>> Storage Media, Network, etc.
>>
>> 5) Being CLI challenged and needing to edit a file I can navigate to it,
>> hover over it, choose edit as root from the right pane. Usually Kate
>> opens in and an automatic backup is made of the file.
>>
>> 6) If I need to have a terminal window in a particular directory for
>> some reason it's easy. No messy changing directories in CLI.
>>
>> 7) The right hand pane. Somehow I managed to get Dolphin to always show
>> details rather than icons [ sorry but I don't remember how I did it ].
>> When I hover over a file the image changes to a miniature of the file,
>> or at least does it's best to do so. Makes it handy to find just the one
>> I want. The usual right click options show below the image, no right
>> click required. Just slide over and click.
>>     

I went into the setting on 8.10/4.1 and set it to use the same settings 
universally and something else I can't remember right off and the detail 
view stuck in 4.1 Dolphin. Play with the settings a bit and you won't 
have icon view unless you want it.

>> I've had almost none of the issues I've seen raised lately. No crashes.
>> It works fast. I have the forward and back arrows. The only issue I've
>> noticed is that lately when I close Dolphin I get this box popping up
>> that says it can't save bookmarks. It didn't used to do that but started
>> suddenly a few weeks back. I think it somehow happened in an update of
>> some sort. I haven't messed with it much in 8.10/4.x so it may be fixed
>> in my clean install.
>>
>>     
>
> I haven't seen the bookmarks issue. Could you start a new thread with
> the exact error message? This may be a bug.
>
>   
>> There are a couple things on my "wish list". Most notable is that I wish
>> the "Show Hidden Files" would stick. Probably not a good idea for some
>> people though.
>>
>>     
>
> I'd like to hear your wish list. I will look into the 'show hidden files' issue.
>
>   


-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov  4 20:10:48 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:10:48 -0600
Subject: Dolphin can't save bookmarks
Message-ID: <4910AC48.805@swbell.net>

On 11/04/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote:
 > > Billie wrote
>  > The only issue I've
>  > > noticed is that lately when I close Dolphin I get this box
>  popping up
>  > > that says it can't save bookmarks. It didn't used to do that but
>  started
>  > > suddenly a few weeks back. I think it somehow happened in an
>  update of
>  > > some sort. I haven't messed with it much in 8.10/4.x so it may be
>  fixed
>  > > in my clean install.
>  > >
>
>  I haven't seen the bookmarks issue. Could you start a new thread with
>  the exact error message? This may be a bug.
>
>

Here's the error message:

Unable to save bookmarks in 
/home/billie0w/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error 
was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The 
cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is 
most likely a full hard drive.

It's not a full hard drive.

Probably just need to set the permissions for that file. Going to look. 
Yuppers. Says the file belongs to Root and I don't have permission to do 
squat with it. Just need to change owner  [ somehow - sudo chown 
something or other I suppose ]. While I was in 8.10/4.1 Dolphin didn't do it

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov  4 20:12:09 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:12:09 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811041144n2b81861fmb11f4e32b6c86ae5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<880dece00811040505x249fc84er93c18ffa394ce8d4@mail.gmail.com>	<491096B7.4090004@gmail.com>	<880dece00811041057v7f926a49pde31e6b77e09b2e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811041144n2b81861fmb11f4e32b6c86ae5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4910AC99.4050803@swbell.net>

Knapp wrote:
>> I agree that the default Oxygen theme is terrible. Please file a bug
>> at BKO on this. I thought that there was one but I cannot find it. I
>> had a long argument with KDE devs over this and the conclusion was
>> that I am alone in thinking that the default theme looks both bad and
>> outdated.
>>
>> --
>> Dotan Cohen
>>     
>
> Devs are know industry wide for their good tastes and artistic
> abilities. Perhaps they just compare the program to the people that
> will date devs? Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. (Yes, this is a
> joke. And yes, I am a dev of sorts :-) Sorry to anyone that finds it
> in poor tastes. I know it is on the edge.
>
>   

Actually, I believe that is, "Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder."

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:13:20 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:13:20 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811041200j16afe303p11c09fe014163951@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041200j16afe303p11c09fe014163951@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W268D085A147EFCA2009928CD1C0@phx.gbl>


I dont understand the time function as I just type in the terminal sudo wvdial to get on the net

ray
----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:00:31 +0200
> From: dotancohen at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
> 
> 2008/11/1 Ray Burke :
>> Anyone out there no of an linux/kubuntu apps that is able to monitor the
>> dial-up using the amount
>> have used in the previous sessions on daily basis plus monthly then store
>> all this info for counting
>> purposes.
>>
> 
> It seems that wvdial has a timer function. Give that a try.
> 
> -- 
> Dotan Cohen
> 
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
> 
> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
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From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:16:38 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:16:38 +0100
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <200811041446.10305.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811032153.21301.kassube@gmx.net>
	<490FB3EA.8010608@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811041446.10305.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811041216j20bec13cp7023046d3c350880@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Nils Kassube <kassube at gmx.net>:
> Well, high speed is really vague, isn't it? OTOH, 1MB/s would be 8Mbit/s
> and if you add the USB protocol overhead you are near the 12Mbit/s limit
> of USB 1.1. Which reminds me of the USB hub I once had. If you have the
> USB stick connected via a hub, check that the hub really is USB 2.0
> capable.
>
> But you need USB 2.0 even if the maximum write speed really is 1MB/s
> because the read speed of flash memory is much higher than the write
> speed.
>

So what can the theoretical write speed be with USB 2? I have a
Corsair Survival 16 Gb and the test I seen on the net shows a write
speed of more then 20 MB/sec but I'm far from that during my test. Did
a test now with tiobench (tiobench --threads=1) and got a result of.
Sequential Read: 26.77 megabytes per sec.
Sequential Writes: 5.87 megabytes per sec.

More then 1 MB/s but not near 20 as the results on the net.

/ Jonas



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:19:45 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:19:45 +0200
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W268D085A147EFCA2009928CD1C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041200j16afe303p11c09fe014163951@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W268D085A147EFCA2009928CD1C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041219h59c98d80ia91c3e3715fa21ca@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
>
> I dont understand the time function as I just type in the terminal sudo wvdial to get on the net
>

I am not familiar with the program, I just found a post mentioning it
on the web (google). I see no mention of the timer function in the
manpage. See if the project has a mailing list, or try googling
"wvdial timer".

I also asked on the Debian list on your behalf. The list has higher
traffic than this list, and is much more technical. As *buntu is
Debian-based, the question is relevant.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:21:23 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:21:23 +0200
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811041216j20bec13cp7023046d3c350880@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811032153.21301.kassube@gmx.net>
	<490FB3EA.8010608@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811041446.10305.kassube@gmx.net>
	<b8d784880811041216j20bec13cp7023046d3c350880@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041221o1b7e85c8i14480b30844b3388@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com>:
> 2008/11/4 Nils Kassube <kassube at gmx.net>:
>> Well, high speed is really vague, isn't it? OTOH, 1MB/s would be 8Mbit/s
>> and if you add the USB protocol overhead you are near the 12Mbit/s limit
>> of USB 1.1. Which reminds me of the USB hub I once had. If you have the
>> USB stick connected via a hub, check that the hub really is USB 2.0
>> capable.
>>
>> But you need USB 2.0 even if the maximum write speed really is 1MB/s
>> because the read speed of flash memory is much higher than the write
>> speed.
>>
>
> So what can the theoretical write speed be with USB 2? I have a
> Corsair Survival 16 Gb and the test I seen on the net shows a write
> speed of more then 20 MB/sec but I'm far from that during my test. Did
> a test now with tiobench (tiobench --threads=1) and got a result of.
> Sequential Read: 26.77 megabytes per sec.
> Sequential Writes: 5.87 megabytes per sec.
>
> More then 1 MB/s but not near 20 as the results on the net.
>
> / Jonas
>

The USB transfer speed is symetrical, therefore the limiting factor
would be the storage technology. It does not care if you are reading
or writing.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:22:43 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:22:43 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811041148y3c49557em24c45f19b4be99a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00810311730y219371adkd21b292354b8b778@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W15FCACFD6B9A160202197CCD230@phx.gbl>
	<49101D6D.50200@gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W23DE337A143B0AB77D853ECD1C0@phx.gbl> 
	<880dece00811041148y3c49557em24c45f19b4be99a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W215BD32B071A86C8BC3DACD1C0@phx.gbl>


I use hotmail.com,yahoo.com and alphalink.com as my email isp's so how would I code up
Korn, as already shows under internet button under more applications

ray
----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:48:06 +0200
> From: dotancohen at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
> 
> 2008/11/4 Ray Burke :
>> How to I install, setup and use Korn
>>
> 
> $ sudo apt-get install korn
> 
> You will need to know the incoming mail server address, protocol (POP3
> or IMAP), the username and the password.
> 
> -- 
> Dotan Cohen
> 
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
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> 
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From dave at thefletchers.net  Tue Nov  4 20:22:52 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:22:52 +0000
Subject: Matrix codes
Message-ID: <200811042022.59357.dave@thefletchers.net>

I would like to be able to decipher what looks like a matrix code on the back 
of a phone battery - specifically to try to find out what the manufacturing 
date is.

Is there anything open source that anybody knows to be able to decode a scan 
of these codes? I've tried searching source forge etc. and turned up nothing.

Thanks for any help.

Dave

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:26:32 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:26:32 +0200
Subject: Dolphin can't save bookmarks
In-Reply-To: <4910AC48.805@swbell.net>
References: <4910AC48.805@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041226k3803567l88cc705796111b33@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
> Probably just need to set the permissions for that file. Going to look.
> Yuppers. Says the file belongs to Root and I don't have permission to do
> squat with it. Just need to change owner  [ somehow - sudo chown
> something or other I suppose ]. While I was in 8.10/4.1 Dolphin didn't do it
>

I wonder why that file was root. Just to clarify, what Kubuntu version
(and KDE version) is this, and was it an upgrade from a previous
version?

Can anybody confirm this issue?

-- 
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http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov  4 20:26:58 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:26:58 -0600
Subject: 8.10/4.1 screensavers
Message-ID: <4910B012.60908@swbell.net>

I didn't get any screen savers with 8.10. The only available option is a 
blank screen. I can get that by shutting off the monitor. Looking in 
synaptic I don't see anything but something called xscreesaver [ or 
something like that ].

What do you install to get a selection of screen savers?

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Tue Nov  4 20:30:47 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:30:47 -0600
Subject: 8.10/4.1 screensavers
In-Reply-To: <4910B012.60908@swbell.net>
References: <4910B012.60908@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200811041430.48083.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Tuesday November 4 2008 02:26:58 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
> I didn't get any screen savers with 8.10. The only available option is a
> blank screen. I can get that by shutting off the monitor. Looking in
> synaptic I don't see anything but something called xscreesaver [ or
> something like that ].
>
> What do you install to get a selection of screen savers?
>
> --
> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.

kscreensaver and kscreensaver-xsavers

-pete



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:32:37 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:32:37 +0200
Subject: re Kubuntu app for checking emails
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W215BD32B071A86C8BC3DACD1C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W240B61258E2926A97319B1CD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00810311730y219371adkd21b292354b8b778@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W15FCACFD6B9A160202197CCD230@phx.gbl>
	<49101D6D.50200@gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W23DE337A143B0AB77D853ECD1C0@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041148y3c49557em24c45f19b4be99a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W215BD32B071A86C8BC3DACD1C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041232m33371a39geee11b8399999cd6@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
> I use hotmail.com,yahoo.com and alphalink.com as my email isp's so how would I code up
> Korn, as already shows under internet button under more applications
>

I don't think that Hotmail supports POP3 or IMAP, at least not in the
free version. Yahoo might. Alphalink I am unfamiliar with, but if you
have been using an email client such as Outlook with it in the past
then it should work.

Were you using these services with the Windows app that you mentioned
earlier? If so, then look through it's configuration files for the
data you need. If you really, really get stuck, and you really, really
trust me, then you can send to me (NOT TO THE LIST) the config files
and I will try to decipher them.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:39:12 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:39:12 +0100
Subject: Matrix codes
In-Reply-To: <200811042022.59357.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <200811042022.59357.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <f495db580811041239k5e54a803y7425476aa83ecdb2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:22 PM, David Fletcher <dave at thefletchers.net> wrote:
> I would like to be able to decipher what looks like a matrix code on the back
> of a phone battery - specifically to try to find out what the manufacturing
> date is.
>
> Is there anything open source that anybody knows to be able to decode a scan
> of these codes? I've tried searching source forge etc. and turned up nothing.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Dave
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user number 393408
>
> I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1
> For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit:
> http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763
>
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Have a picture?

-- 
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http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:40:15 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:40:15 +0100
Subject: Matrix codes
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811041239k5e54a803y7425476aa83ecdb2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811042022.59357.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<f495db580811041239k5e54a803y7425476aa83ecdb2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811041240x40bd0e03o337ebe7eefc0bfae@mail.gmail.com>

> Have a picture?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datamatrix


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From TonySivori at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 20:41:52 2008
From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:41:52 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811040505x249fc84er93c18ffa394ce8d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <pan.2008.11.04.20.41.51.274368@yahoo.com>

On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:05:26 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> 2008/11/4 nepal <nepal.roade at googlemail.com>:
>> On Monday 03 November 2008, Herman Holmström wrote:

>>> Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?


>> 3. It is cluttered and poorly thought out to look at,
>>
> I need more detail than that. Something specific.
> 
> 
>> 7. Just for good measure, its pig ugly!
>>
>>
> Could you be more specific? What would you change to make it not pig
> ugly? What components do not look good to you?

I'm not the person you addressed the above comments to, but until you say
differently I will assume that you are willing to consider anyone's
constructive comments.

I disliked Dolphin the instant I saw it. As another poster noted, you only
get one chance to make a good first impression. To me, due to the way it
wasted the right hand third of the monitor, Dolphin looked like something
straight out of AOL.

A less than serious comment: An amusing thought occurred - there is a
history of any new application named for a mammal needing a killing. Kat -
a resource hogging GUI search / index application. Then Beagle, yet
another search / index application that I didn't like, and now Dolphin!

Now back to serious feedback. What I disliked about Dolphin: It wasted a
lot of screen space. No address bar. No "up" button. Any file manager that
makes it difficult to maneuver in my files is, as far as I'm concerned,
Dead On Arrival.

I immediately changed all relevant file associations from Dolphin to
Konqueror.

One last admittedly biased dislike. Dolphin isn't Konqueror. I know it
sounds ridiculous, but some users don't like change for the sake of
change. I have some time invested in learning and customizing the
Konqueror user interface. Konqueror has and is serving me very well, so I
have no desire to change.

My general attitude is that my computer is a tool, not a toy. I want to
spend my time using my computer, not playing with my computer. Enhancing
functionality in new versions is great, provided that the old
functionality is not removed.

Asking users to throw out proven software for different software that has
similar (and possibly reduced) functionality, and then throw in a learning
curve to boot (KDE 4.x and Plasma suddenly comes to mind) is like asking
the established user base to just go elsewhere.

Dolphin might have got a better reception if it had automatically imported
Konqueror's settings and applied Konqueror's settings to itself.

All that said, due to your comments in this thread, I've had another look
at Dolphin. After changing a few things (adding the "up" button and the
location bar, removing the right panel, showing hidden files, and of
course the detailed list view), I admit it does not look bad. Not bad at
all. In fact, after one last tool bar adjustment, I actually like the way
it looks. But I haven't really used it for anything, other than some brief
file browsing.

-- 
Tony Sivori
Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters. 




From andreas.m at freenet.de  Tue Nov  4 20:39:20 2008
From: andreas.m at freenet.de (Andreas Martin)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:39:20 +0100
Subject: Dolphin can't save bookmarks
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811041226k3803567l88cc705796111b33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4910AC48.805@swbell.net>
	<880dece00811041226k3803567l88cc705796111b33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811042139.20753.>

I had the same problem with 7.10. I found out that running dolphin as root 
(via sudo) results in changing the file-owner to root. In 8.10 it seems to 
work.




From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 20:45:27 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:45:27 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811041219h59c98d80ia91c3e3715fa21ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041200j16afe303p11c09fe014163951@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W268D085A147EFCA2009928CD1C0@phx.gbl> 
	<880dece00811041219h59c98d80ia91c3e3715fa21ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W7C24344990857AABB81C4CD1C0@phx.gbl>


Dotan,

I have tried googling wvdial timer but to no avail?

ray
----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:19:45 +0200
> From: dotancohen at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
> 
> 2008/11/4 Ray Burke :
>>
>> I dont understand the time function as I just type in the terminal sudo wvdial to get on the net
>>
> 
> I am not familiar with the program, I just found a post mentioning it
> on the web (google). I see no mention of the timer function in the
> manpage. See if the project has a mailing list, or try googling
> "wvdial timer".
> 
> I also asked on the Debian list on your behalf. The list has higher
> traffic than this list, and is much more technical. As *buntu is
> Debian-based, the question is relevant.
> 
> -- 
> Dotan Cohen
> 
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
> 
> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
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From kaj at haulrich.net  Tue Nov  4 20:46:24 2008
From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:46:24 +0100
Subject: A compromise solution.
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811041128l26d1d6c1x7010ef0d2d323713@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811041027.39556.kaj@haulrich.net>
	<880dece00811040940g13706389tb8b64d789c6dfd53@mail.gmail.com>
	<1225826503.8035.2.camel@haulrich>
	<880dece00811041128l26d1d6c1x7010ef0d2d323713@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1225831584.8035.10.camel@haulrich>

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 21:28 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/4 Kaj Haulrich <kaj at haulrich.net>:
> >> Kaj, Konqueror is still available in KDE 4.1. It does use Dolphin for
> >> the backend, but the UI is Konqueror as we know and love it.
> >
> > Yes Dohan, the konqueror as a web browser is still there, but try to use
> > it as a file manager.....    :-(
> >
> > Kaj Haulrich.
> >
> 
> There are various threads going on right now at this list and others,
> but if you let me know what you feel is missing I will either let you
> know how to configure it or file bug reports on it. Konqueror uses the
> Dolphin component for file management, but it's own UI. So far as I
> understand, in KDE 4.1 the only thing missing from Konqueror as a file
> manager is the rich context menu. If anything else is missing, please
> let me know!

The feature I miss most of all is being able to select multiple files at
once (with the mouse) and perform batch operations on them, such as
'batch rename' with 'krename'. And, in the case of image files, to
create a web gallery, compress, resize them in one, fell swoop. In
Dolphin I have to select multiple files by pressing <Ctrl> + click for
each file and I can't perform batch operations on them, like with
'konq-kim'.

Kaj Haulrich.




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov  4 20:48:38 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:48:38 -0600
Subject: Dolphin can't save bookmarks
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811041226k3803567l88cc705796111b33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4910AC48.805@swbell.net>
	<880dece00811041226k3803567l88cc705796111b33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4910B526.8080708@swbell.net>

On 11/04/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote:
>  2008/11/4 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>  > > Probably just need to set the permissions for that file. Going to
>  look.
>  > > Yuppers. Says the file belongs to Root and I don't have
>  permission to do
>  > > squat with it. Just need to change owner  [ somehow - sudo chown
>  > > something or other I suppose ]. While I was in 8.10/4.1 Dolphin
>  didn't do it
>  > >
>
>  I wonder why that file was root. Just to clarify, what Kubuntu version
>  (and KDE version) is this, and was it an upgrade from a previous
>  version?
>
>  Can anybody confirm this issue?
>

Ooops! I did forget to put that in. It's 8.04/3.5.10. I did upgrades 
from somewhere around 7.04 till 8.04. I don't think I ever had 6.x, but 
may have . I don't remember exactly when I started using Kubuntu. 8.10 
is my first fresh install since I started using Kubuntu.

It seems like the issue started with the last round of KDE updates a 
couple weeks ago.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.





From kassube at gmx.net  Tue Nov  4 20:53:42 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:53:42 +0100
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811041216j20bec13cp7023046d3c350880@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811041446.10305.kassube@gmx.net>
	<b8d784880811041216j20bec13cp7023046d3c350880@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811042153.42981.kassube@gmx.net>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> So what can the theoretical write speed be with USB 2?

The USB 2.0 data rate is 480 Mbit/s or 60MB/s minus overhead (-> probably 
40-50MB/s). The limiting factor here is your device.

> I have a 
> Corsair Survival 16 Gb and the test I seen on the net shows a write
> speed of more then 20 MB/sec but I'm far from that during my test.

Are you sure that is the write speed not read speed? I mean, 20MB/s is 
really fast. Do you have a URL for the test?


Nils



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 21:06:09 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:06:09 +0100
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <200811042153.42981.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811041446.10305.kassube@gmx.net>
	<b8d784880811041216j20bec13cp7023046d3c350880@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811042153.42981.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811041306i5d60fc46pb82028431daded00@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Nils Kassube <kassube at gmx.net>:
> Jonas Norlander wrote:
>> So what can the theoretical write speed be with USB 2?
>
> The USB 2.0 data rate is 480 Mbit/s or 60MB/s minus overhead (-> probably
> 40-50MB/s). The limiting factor here is your device.
>
>> I have a
>> Corsair Survival 16 Gb and the test I seen on the net shows a write
>> speed of more then 20 MB/sec but I'm far from that during my test.
>
> Are you sure that is the write speed not read speed? I mean, 20MB/s is
> really fast. Do you have a URL for the test?
>
>

Here is one
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/Corsair_Survivor_GT_8GB_Flash_Drive/



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 21:14:31 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:14:31 +0200
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W7C24344990857AABB81C4CD1C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041200j16afe303p11c09fe014163951@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W268D085A147EFCA2009928CD1C0@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041219h59c98d80ia91c3e3715fa21ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W7C24344990857AABB81C4CD1C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041314v53b26b80wc3d52f78e88e745a@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
>
> Dotan,
>
> I have tried googling wvdial timer but to no avail?
>

It looks like pywvdial has a connection timer:
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Networking/pyWvDial-41078.shtml

But don't download from that site. Look for the pywvdial homepage.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 21:32:16 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:32:16 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811041314v53b26b80wc3d52f78e88e745a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041200j16afe303p11c09fe014163951@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W268D085A147EFCA2009928CD1C0@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041219h59c98d80ia91c3e3715fa21ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W7C24344990857AABB81C4CD1C0@phx.gbl> 
	<880dece00811041314v53b26b80wc3d52f78e88e745a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W34CB56ADF80033A8EFDB68CD1C0@phx.gbl>


Dotan,

cant find pywvdial home page only bomgar.com/linux????

ray
ps why not downl,oad from softpedia site????
----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:14:31 +0200
> From: dotancohen at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
> 
> 2008/11/4 Ray Burke :
>>
>> Dotan,
>>
>> I have tried googling wvdial timer but to no avail?
>>
> 
> It looks like pywvdial has a connection timer:
> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Networking/pyWvDial-41078.shtml
> 
> But don't download from that site. Look for the pywvdial homepage.
> 
> -- 
> Dotan Cohen
> 
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
> 
> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 21:52:19 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:52:19 +0200
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W34CB56ADF80033A8EFDB68CD1C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041200j16afe303p11c09fe014163951@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W268D085A147EFCA2009928CD1C0@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041219h59c98d80ia91c3e3715fa21ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W7C24344990857AABB81C4CD1C0@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041314v53b26b80wc3d52f78e88e745a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W34CB56ADF80033A8EFDB68CD1C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880dece00811041352x749cc99fkefc69a034c198a91@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
>
> cant find pywvdial home page only bomgar.com/linux????
>

Here is the project's homepage, which is coincidentally the first
result when googling its name:
http://www.develia.org/projects.php?p=pywvdial

> ps why not downl,oad from softpedia site????

That website may or may not be safe. They look like a Windows Freeware
(read: malware) website. Also, the download is from their own servers,
which I do not trust. Best to get the software directly from the
author or from your distro's packages, whenever possible.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 21:56:22 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:56:22 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811041352x749cc99fkefc69a034c198a91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041200j16afe303p11c09fe014163951@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W268D085A147EFCA2009928CD1C0@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041219h59c98d80ia91c3e3715fa21ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W7C24344990857AABB81C4CD1C0@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811041314v53b26b80wc3d52f78e88e745a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W34CB56ADF80033A8EFDB68CD1C0@phx.gbl> 
	<880dece00811041352x749cc99fkefc69a034c198a91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W7EF1D5548D2419CB86D51CD1C0@phx.gbl>


Dotan,
Sorry I missed it but where did you pick up the devellia site from and also its a dowload of tar.gz, but I only
know of .deb apps, so not knowing howing to install?

ray
----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:52:19 +0200
> From: dotancohen at gmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
> 
> 2008/11/4 Ray Burke :
>>
>> cant find pywvdial home page only bomgar.com/linux????
>>
> 
> Here is the project's homepage, which is coincidentally the first
> result when googling its name:
> http://www.develia.org/projects.php?p=pywvdial
> 
>> ps why not downl,oad from softpedia site????
> 
> That website may or may not be safe. They look like a Windows Freeware
> (read: malware) website. Also, the download is from their own servers,
> which I do not trust. Best to get the software directly from the
> author or from your distro's packages, whenever possible.
> 
> -- 
> Dotan Cohen
> 
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
> 
> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
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From gmane at auxbuss.com  Tue Nov  4 22:03:36 2008
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:03:36 +0100
Subject: update to 8.04 issue
References: <MPG.2376cf195cbc4c46989b70@news.gmane.org>
	<c34709020811040154u734b1b86m8794f33fde6d7900@mail.gmail.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811041130q46510591l52385e20d96beda9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MPG.237ae5233fb46523989b71@news.gmane.org>

Art Alexion said...
> > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 8:40 PM, marc <gmane at auxbuss.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I just updated to 8.04. Mostly it went okay. I detest the fact that
> >> Kubuntu insists on changing the KDM login setup on every update, but
> >> other that hosing the samba setup, it went well.
> >>
> >> One problem remains, however, I use KDM, but now when I log out, I'm
> >> presented with tty 1. There's no error msg thrown out, just a command
> >> prompt sitting there blinking at me. I can ctrl+alt to all ttys. tty8 is
> >> pretty much dead, but I can ctrl+alt+del to reboot.
> 
> Sounds like kdm is not reloading.  I have this problem occasionally
> with 8.04 and kdm4.
> 
> To restart from tty1,
> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm4 restart
> 
> Not a fix, but a workaround.

More info.

When I login to tty1 and startkde it errors, but if I startx, then I get 
my desktop back.

When I have the original session open, I can open a second, and logout, 
then return to the original - on ttys 7 and 9. As \you would expect, 
uspect is also u/w atm.

Anyone any other ideas?

I've checked log files, and the usual culprits like X11 and xdmrc all 
seem okay.

There must be something wrong somewhere for this behaviour to occur, and 
I'd like to raise a bug report with some useful diags.

Thanks.

-- 
Cheers,
Marc




From wayward4now at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 22:29:34 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:29:34 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811040724.49340.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811031823.17520.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<490FC3EB.2000802@dmiyu.org>
	<200811040724.49340.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1225837774.19738.4.camel@iam>

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 07:24 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> So does mine.  I downloaded Krusader here, and while its got some nice eye 
> candy, if I want to get something done, there simply is no substitute for 
> good old Midnight Commander, aka mc.  It may not be 'purty' but you'll be 
> hard pressed to finding a missing blade in that Swiss Army Knife.  And its 
> been around since the late 90's when I first tried linux.  Fully matured, it 
> hasn't needed much 'development' now in several years.  It Just Works(TM).  
> And in a pinch, it doesn't even need X.

I add that it works all the time, I've never known it to blow up. Just
what was the name of that popular DOS shell?? Now my brain hurts. Ric

-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
https://nuoar.dev.java.net/
Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987




From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com  Tue Nov  4 23:57:18 2008
From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:57:18 -0500
Subject: Dolphin can't save bookmarks
In-Reply-To: <4910B526.8080708@swbell.net>
References: <4910AC48.805@swbell.net>	<880dece00811041226k3803567l88cc705796111b33@mail.gmail.com>
	<4910B526.8080708@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <4910E15E.4000607@ajinfosearch.com>

Billie Walsh wrote:
> On 11/04/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>  2008/11/4 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>>  > > Probably just need to set the permissions for that file. Going to
>>  look.
>>  > > Yuppers. Says the file belongs to Root and I don't have
>>  permission to do
>>  > > squat with it. Just need to change owner  [ somehow - sudo chown
>>  > > something or other I suppose ]. While I was in 8.10/4.1 Dolphin
>>  didn't do it
>>  > >
>>
>>  I wonder why that file was root. Just to clarify, what Kubuntu version
>>  (and KDE version) is this, and was it an upgrade from a previous
>>  version?
>>
>>  Can anybody confirm this issue?
>>
> 
> Ooops! I did forget to put that in. It's 8.04/3.5.10. I did upgrades 
> from somewhere around 7.04 till 8.04. I don't think I ever had 6.x, but 
> may have . I don't remember exactly when I started using Kubuntu. 8.10 
> is my first fresh install since I started using Kubuntu.
> 
> It seems like the issue started with the last round of KDE updates a 
> couple weeks ago.
> 

I had the same problem when I messed up using Dolphin as root.  Just do this:

sudo chown <your user name> /home/<your user name>/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/*

Worked for me.

Alan


-- 
"The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated 
concept.  If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in 
life and actually grok it."
                                                                          - 
author unknown
Things I grok: 0



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Wed Nov  5 00:45:10 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:45:10 -0600
Subject: 8.10/4.1 screensavers
In-Reply-To: <200811041430.48083.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <4910B012.60908@swbell.net>
	<200811041430.48083.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <4910EC96.80904@swbell.net>

p.daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday November 4 2008 02:26:58 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
>   
>> I didn't get any screen savers with 8.10. The only available option is a
>> blank screen. I can get that by shutting off the monitor. Looking in
>> synaptic I don't see anything but something called xscreesaver [ or
>> something like that ].
>>
>> What do you install to get a selection of screen savers?
>>
>> --
>> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.
>>     
>
> kscreensaver and kscreensaver-xsavers
>
> -pete
>
>   
That did the trick. Thanks a bunch.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Wed Nov  5 01:21:28 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:21:28 -0600
Subject: Dolphin can't save bookmarks - Solved
In-Reply-To: <4910E15E.4000607@ajinfosearch.com>
References: <4910AC48.805@swbell.net>	<880dece00811041226k3803567l88cc705796111b33@mail.gmail.com>	<4910B526.8080708@swbell.net>
	<4910E15E.4000607@ajinfosearch.com>
Message-ID: <4910F518.5080904@swbell.net>

Alan Dacey wrote:
> Billie Walsh wrote:
>   
>> On 11/04/2008 Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>     
>>>  2008/11/4 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>:
>>>  > > Probably just need to set the permissions for that file. Going to
>>>  look.
>>>  > > Yuppers. Says the file belongs to Root and I don't have
>>>  permission to do
>>>  > > squat with it. Just need to change owner  [ somehow - sudo chown
>>>  > > something or other I suppose ]. While I was in 8.10/4.1 Dolphin
>>>  didn't do it
>>>  > >
>>>
>>>  I wonder why that file was root. Just to clarify, what Kubuntu version
>>>  (and KDE version) is this, and was it an upgrade from a previous
>>>  version?
>>>
>>>  Can anybody confirm this issue?
>>>
>>>       
>> Ooops! I did forget to put that in. It's 8.04/3.5.10. I did upgrades 
>> from somewhere around 7.04 till 8.04. I don't think I ever had 6.x, but 
>> may have . I don't remember exactly when I started using Kubuntu. 8.10 
>> is my first fresh install since I started using Kubuntu.
>>
>> It seems like the issue started with the last round of KDE updates a 
>> couple weeks ago.
>>
>>     
>
> I had the same problem when I messed up using Dolphin as root.  Just do this:
>
> sudo chown <your user name> /home/<your user name>/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/*
>
> Worked for me.
>
> Alan
>
>
>   
That did it. All fixed now. Thank you

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From kassube at gmx.net  Wed Nov  5 06:55:27 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:55:27 +0100
Subject: Thumb drive ext2 slow write speed
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811041306i5d60fc46pb82028431daded00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490F59AF.5060905@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811042153.42981.kassube@gmx.net>
	<b8d784880811041306i5d60fc46pb82028431daded00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811050755.28005.kassube@gmx.net>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/4 Nils Kassube <kassube at gmx.net>:
> > Jonas Norlander wrote:
> >> So what can the theoretical write speed be with USB 2?
> >
> > The USB 2.0 data rate is 480 Mbit/s or 60MB/s minus overhead (->
> > probably 40-50MB/s). The limiting factor here is your device.
> >
> >> I have a
> >> Corsair Survival 16 Gb and the test I seen on the net shows a write
> >> speed of more then 20 MB/sec but I'm far from that during my test.
> >
> > Are you sure that is the write speed not read speed? I mean, 20MB/s
> > is really fast. Do you have a URL for the test?
>
> Here is one
> http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/Corsair_Survivor_GT_8GB_Flash_Drive/

That's a nice device and the write speed really seems to be 20MB/s. But I 
have no idea why you only have a much lower speed.


Nils



From girardhenri at free.fr  Wed Nov  5 07:30:03 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:30:03 +0100
Subject: Retarded != Stupid (was Re: Why do people dislike Dolphin?)
In-Reply-To: <200811041212.30236.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu><1898886.8lUDpGAaRJ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811041212.30236.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <2544C4262C3B4975AF854821C63391E7@zi>

Strange :)
retarded in french is : retardé ... quite a strong word !!!
I would never use it... too bad ... but has it the same sense in english ?
retarded is like simple minded ... mind handicaped...
kind regards


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "p.daniels" <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>
To: <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:12 PM
Subject: Retarded != Stupid (was Re: Why do people dislike Dolphin?)


> On Monday November 3 2008 08:33:45 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Because D3lphin was pretty much utterly retarded compared to Konqueror.
>
> Not to be a nitpicker and not to call you particularly out, Derek, because
> I've seen other people use it on this list as well, but could we please 
> not
> use "retarded" as a synonym for "bad/stupid?"
>
> I have a mildly disabled brother whom I love. "Retarded" when misused in 
> this
> manner is a fairly offensive word to me, pretty close to what I assume 
> people
> of color feel when they hear (that other word that civilized folk don't 
> use).
> We're all on the right side of the bell curve here, our vocabularies are
> bigger than that.
>
> Respectfully yours,
> p.daniels
>
> -- 
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
> 





From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 08:52:54 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:52:54 +0100
Subject: Retarded != Stupid (was Re: Why do people dislike Dolphin?)
In-Reply-To: <2544C4262C3B4975AF854821C63391E7@zi>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<1898886.8lUDpGAaRJ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811041212.30236.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<2544C4262C3B4975AF854821C63391E7@zi>
Message-ID: <f495db580811050052u76f3c27al1308ce25fbe09575@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Girard Henri <girardhenri at free.fr> wrote:
> Strange :)
> retarded in french is : retardé ... quite a strong word !!!
> I would never use it... too bad ... but has it the same sense in english ?
> retarded is like simple minded ... mind handicaped...
> kind regards
>
You can also say the growth of the plant was retarded due to the lack of sun.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page

From mickrulist at voipfuture.com  Wed Nov  5 09:39:32 2008
From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:39:32 +0100
Subject: Volume conrtol via notebook multimedia keys
Message-ID: <op.uj43r6tdpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>

Hi,

I read that 8.10 should now support many of the multimedia key's available  
to notebooks and computers. I had to find out that my Dell XPS M1210  
doesn't seem to be among those supported. Since I have no clue how to  
solve that for me, I would like to at least offer my assistence for  
testing this feature on my notebook if anyone is interested and able to  
work on that.
I know that in general it should work, because it did under KDE 3.5.xx t
That tells me that Linux should be able to use those keys, but what is  
currently missing is the link to the kmix / amarok application.

Or do I have to manually enable those keys somewhere???

-- 
Michael
VoIPFuture



From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl  Wed Nov  5 10:12:35 2008
From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:12:35 +0100
Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com> <490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811051112.35687.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl>

Is there a way to level the volume for all your music files (mp3 and ogg)

-- 
Peter 
Registered Linux user # 458207



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 11:48:04 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:48:04 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040508vd4ea3ddv4b8e16b141a439e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
	<880dece00811040431p69f2625eu7c540beaea6c5ab5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4910482E.2080301@dmiyu.org>
	<880dece00811040508vd4ea3ddv4b8e16b141a439e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811050348n60553026s17d6cf7f5d6bdb26@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/11/2008, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/4 Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org>:
> > Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> Calm down. The developers are human and I will file a bug on it. Don't
> >> insult them, that is considered bad etiquitte and won't do any good.
> >> This is not real life.
> >
> >    It isn't?  I'm not really sitting here commenting on the reality of
> > Dolphin's poor design?  Huh...  Trippy.  ;)
> >
> >    And I am not insulting the developers because:
> >
> > A: I'm answering a user here on why people dislike dolphin.
> >
> > B: I'm engaging in some hyperbolic frothing because this keeps coming up every
> > few months and the calm discussions haven't hit home yet.
> >
> >    IE, if I were being serious about discussing this with the developers and
> > not just shooting off a goof-ball post in the middle of the night I'd word it
> > entirely differently.
> >
>
> Then be comforted that I am filing bugs on these things. I will post
> back next week with a list of bugs and invite people to add
> constructive criticism. I appreciate your comments but I need you to
> keep them constructive. Thanks.
>

a nice idea, can you send an email to the list with a list of all the
KDE bugs you filed? we can help with submitting feeback, more
screenshots, etc..

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From barnaby at drofle.com  Wed Nov  5 11:53:23 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:53:23 +0000
Subject: URL's in Thunderbird
Message-ID: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>

I have Gutsy and Hardy set up with dual boot. I am looking to move to 
Hardy as my main distro. I have sorted out most problems, but one still 
beats me.

I use two email clients, Thunderbird and Sylpheed. When an email 
contains a URL reference I like to be able to click on it and to have 
Firefox open up in the correct site. If there is a graphic attachment I 
like to click on it and see it opened in the program of my choice, 
usually Gwenview.

In Gutsy this works fine with both email clients. In Hardy this still 
works in Sylpheed but not in Thunderbird. Clicking on a URL or an 
attachment has no effect. I have searched and compared TB in both Gutsy 
and Hardy but cannot find any differences.

Can anyone suggest where I look next or help in any way please?

TIA

Neil Winchurst



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 12:07:30 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:07:30 +0100
Subject: Volume conrtol via notebook multimedia keys
In-Reply-To: <op.uj43r6tdpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
References: <op.uj43r6tdpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811050407w2ad864fdr4145a6a97ad3e36f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Michael Krueger
<mickrulist at voipfuture.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I read that 8.10 should now support many of the multimedia key's available
> to notebooks and computers. I had to find out that my Dell XPS M1210
> doesn't seem to be among those supported. Since I have no clue how to
> solve that for me, I would like to at least offer my assistence for
> testing this feature on my notebook if anyone is interested and able to
> work on that.
> I know that in general it should work, because it did under KDE 3.5.xx t
> That tells me that Linux should be able to use those keys, but what is
> currently missing is the link to the kmix / amarok application.
>
> Or do I have to manually enable those keys somewhere???
>
> --
> Michael

Search around under thinkpad. I think there is some software there for that.


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 12:54:18 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:54:18 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811050348n60553026s17d6cf7f5d6bdb26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490FBDB8.2030404@dmiyu.org>
	<880dece00811040431p69f2625eu7c540beaea6c5ab5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4910482E.2080301@dmiyu.org>
	<880dece00811040508vd4ea3ddv4b8e16b141a439e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<15edeae40811050348n60553026s17d6cf7f5d6bdb26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811050454u7b3504cbp7697fc235f4b08cc@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/5 Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> a nice idea, can you send an email to the list with a list of all the
> KDE bugs you filed? we can help with submitting feeback, more
> screenshots, etc..
>

I will do that. Just let me get these exams out of the way first!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From paulatgm at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 13:02:15 2008
From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:02:15 -0500
Subject: Volume conrtol via notebook multimedia keys
In-Reply-To: <op.uj43r6tdpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
References: <op.uj43r6tdpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
Message-ID: <49119957.5060107@gmail.com>

Michael Krueger said the following on 11/05/2008 04:39 AM:
> Hi,
> 
> I read that 8.10 should now support many of the multimedia key's available  
> to notebooks and computers. I had to find out that my Dell XPS M1210  
> doesn't seem to be among those supported. Since I have no clue how to  
> solve that for me, I would like to at least offer my assistence for  
> testing this feature on my notebook if anyone is interested and able to  
> work on that.
> I know that in general it should work, because it did under KDE 3.5.xx t
> That tells me that Linux should be able to use those keys, but what is  
> currently missing is the link to the kmix / amarok application.
> 
> Or do I have to manually enable those keys somewhere???
> 

I haven't found a fix here for my Dell E1505.  There's already a bug in 
launchpad (almost a month).

regards,



From mickrulist at voipfuture.com  Wed Nov  5 13:06:38 2008
From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:06:38 +0100
Subject: Volume conrtol via notebook multimedia keys
In-Reply-To: <49119957.5060107@gmail.com>
References: <op.uj43r6tdpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com> <49119957.5060107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.uj5ddcbvpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>

Am 05.11.2008, 14:02 Uhr, schrieb Paul S <paulatgm at gmail.com>:

>
> I haven't found a fix here for my Dell E1505.  There's already a bug in
> launchpad (almost a month).
>
> regards,
>
I'm sorry to hear that.
That at least means that it's for sure not working. I do hope that it  
get's fixed soon and if I can help I would do so.

-- 
Michael
VoIPFuture



From pfrancq at ulb.ac.be  Wed Nov  5 13:29:43 2008
From: pfrancq at ulb.ac.be (Pascal Francq)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:29:43 +0100
Subject: Speech to text?
Message-ID: <200811051429.43977.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>

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Hash: SHA1

Hi,
Is there any open source solution for KUbuntu for "speech to text", i.e. 
speaking "directly" in a text processor ?
Thanks.
- -- 

Prof. Pascal Francq
Université Libre de Bruxelles
Avenue F.D. Roosevelt 50, CP 165/14
B-1050 Brussels
BELGIUM

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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 13:36:47 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:36:47 +0200
Subject: URL's in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>
References: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811050536i32acc84qc10cb017f1f44506@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/11/2008, Neil Winchurst <barnaby at drofle.com> wrote:
> I have Gutsy and Hardy set up with dual boot. I am looking to move to
> Hardy as my main distro. I have sorted out most problems, but one still
> beats me.
>
> I use two email clients, Thunderbird and Sylpheed. When an email
> contains a URL reference I like to be able to click on it and to have
> Firefox open up in the correct site. If there is a graphic attachment I
> like to click on it and see it opened in the program of my choice,
> usually Gwenview.
>
> In Gutsy this works fine with both email clients. In Hardy this still
> works in Sylpheed but not in Thunderbird. Clicking on a URL or an
> attachment has no effect. I have searched and compared TB in both Gutsy
> and Hardy but cannot find any differences.
>
> Can anyone suggest where I look next or help in any way please?
>

that's weird, because i'm very sure URLs were opening correctly with
firefox in Hardy, using thunderbird. are you sure firefox is set up as
the default web browser? i'm not on my PC right now, but i think there
is an option in thunderbird toset which browser to use when you click
on an URL, i'm not sure though.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 13:39:03 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:39:03 +0200
Subject: URL's in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>
References: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811050539l4927ccffgbba1cebc0fc6cbd7@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/5 Neil Winchurst <barnaby at drofle.com>:
> I have Gutsy and Hardy set up with dual boot. I am looking to move to
> Hardy as my main distro. I have sorted out most problems, but one still
> beats me.
>
> I use two email clients, Thunderbird and Sylpheed. When an email
> contains a URL reference I like to be able to click on it and to have
> Firefox open up in the correct site. If there is a graphic attachment I
> like to click on it and see it opened in the program of my choice,
> usually Gwenview.
>
> In Gutsy this works fine with both email clients. In Hardy this still
> works in Sylpheed but not in Thunderbird. Clicking on a URL or an
> attachment has no effect. I have searched and compared TB in both Gutsy
> and Hardy but cannot find any differences.
>
> Can anyone suggest where I look next or help in any way please?
>
> TIA
>
> Neil Winchurst
>




$ cat .mozilla-thunderbird/***.default/user.js

user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/bin/firefox");
user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.https", "/usr/bin/firefox");
user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.ftp", "/usr/bin/firefox");


-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 13:42:28 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:42:28 +0200
Subject: Volume conrtol via notebook multimedia keys
In-Reply-To: <49119957.5060107@gmail.com>
References: <op.uj43r6tdpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com> <49119957.5060107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811050542r44ca4b62ra64850b295dedb42@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/5 Paul S <paulatgm at gmail.com>:
> I haven't found a fix here for my Dell E1505.  There's already a bug in
> launchpad (almost a month).
>

Yes, I have the same hardware:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal-info/+bug/281981

Please comment on that bug as the devs think it's closed.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 13:43:41 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:43:41 +0200
Subject: Multimedia Buttons Problem with Amarok on Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811030839.48921.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <200811030839.48921.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811050543i70b6429fr276f88c907787799@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/3 Ralph DeWitt <ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com>:
> I just did a full install of Kubuntu 8.10 retaining my home directory from a
> Opensuse 11.0 install. I am using a Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop and the
> multimedia buttons used to work on previous kubuntu installs. I am not sure if
> this is a kubuntu 8.10 problem or a problem caused by reusing my opensuse home
> partition? Could some one help me get this sorted out and working.
> --

Please comment on this bug as the developers think that the issue is
fixed, which it is not:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal-info/+bug/281981

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dave at thefletchers.net  Wed Nov  5 14:05:36 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:05:36 +0000
Subject: Speech to text?
In-Reply-To: <200811051429.43977.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>
References: <200811051429.43977.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>
Message-ID: <200811051405.36389.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 13:29:43 Pascal Francq wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there any open source solution for KUbuntu for "speech to text", i.e.
> speaking "directly" in a text processor ?
> Thanks.
> --

I asked this same question myself, on behalf of a potential new Linux user, a 
few months ago.

He's still using the keyboard.

Dave





From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Wed Nov  5 14:25:13 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:25:13 -0600
Subject: URL's in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>
References: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <4911ACC9.7010103@swbell.net>

Neil Winchurst wrote:
> I have Gutsy and Hardy set up with dual boot. I am looking to move to 
> Hardy as my main distro. I have sorted out most problems, but one still 
> beats me.
>
> I use two email clients, Thunderbird and Sylpheed. When an email 
> contains a URL reference I like to be able to click on it and to have 
> Firefox open up in the correct site. If there is a graphic attachment I 
> like to click on it and see it opened in the program of my choice, 
> usually Gwenview.
>
> In Gutsy this works fine with both email clients. In Hardy this still 
> works in Sylpheed but not in Thunderbird. Clicking on a URL or an 
> attachment has no effect. I have searched and compared TB in both Gutsy 
> and Hardy but cannot find any differences.
>
> Can anyone suggest where I look next or help in any way please?
>
> TIA
>
> Neil Winchurst
>
>   
In Thunderbird:

Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Config Editor

Right click > New> String

add:

network.protocol-handler.app.http

firefox

Right click > New > String

add:

network,protocol-handler.app.https

firefox

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From herman.holmstrom at bostream.nu  Wed Nov  5 14:39:25 2008
From: herman.holmstrom at bostream.nu (Herman =?iso-8859-1?q?Holmstr=F6m?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:39:25 +0100
Subject: Turning of smooth scrolling in KDE 4
Message-ID: <200811051539.25426.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>

Probably an old question, but how do I turn off the smooth scrolling that seems 
to be in all programs run in KDE 4?



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Wed Nov  5 14:45:00 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:45:00 +0000
Subject: URL's in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811050539l4927ccffgbba1cebc0fc6cbd7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>
	<880dece00811050539l4927ccffgbba1cebc0fc6cbd7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4911B16C.7010002@yahoo.it>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/5 Neil Winchurst <barnaby at drofle.com>:
[snip]
>>
>> Can anyone suggest where I look next or help in any way please?
>>
> 
> 
> $ cat .mozilla-thunderbird/***.default/user.js
> 
> user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/bin/firefox");

                                                 ^^^^^ shouldn't this be 
the same path for all the entries?
HTH,
I.

> user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.https", "/usr/bin/firefox");
> user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.ftp", "/usr/bin/firefox");
> 
> 




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 15:08:40 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:08:40 +0200
Subject: URL's in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <4911B16C.7010002@yahoo.it>
References: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>
	<880dece00811050539l4927ccffgbba1cebc0fc6cbd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4911B16C.7010002@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <880dece00811050708p781086dbu953f5195c09aae07@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/5 Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it>:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 2008/11/5 Neil Winchurst <barnaby at drofle.com>:
> [snip]
>>>
>>> Can anyone suggest where I look next or help in any way please?
>>>
>>
>>
>> $ cat .mozilla-thunderbird/***.default/user.js
>>
>> user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/bin/firefox");
>
>                                                 ^^^^^ shouldn't this be
> the same path for all the entries?

Yes, it should be. Mine is actually something else, and I edited it by
hand, therefore the mistake. Sorry. You've got a good eye for catching
that!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 15:14:18 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:14:18 +0100
Subject: Speech to text?
In-Reply-To: <200811051405.36389.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <200811051429.43977.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>
	<200811051405.36389.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <f495db580811050714x50fc97cek6b4ab3aebaa6a1e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:05 PM, David Fletcher <dave at thefletchers.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 13:29:43 Pascal Francq wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Is there any open source solution for KUbuntu for "speech to text", i.e.
>> speaking "directly" in a text processor ?
>> Thanks.
>> --
>
> I asked this same question myself, on behalf of a potential new Linux user, a
> few months ago.
>
> He's still using the keyboard.
>
> Dave

This is the best option that I have found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMU_Sphinx



-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From barnaby at drofle.com  Wed Nov  5 15:27:00 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:27:00 +0000
Subject: URL's in Thunderbird (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <4911ACC9.7010103@swbell.net>
References: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com> <4911ACC9.7010103@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <4911BB44.5090605@drofle.com>

Billie Walsh wrote:
> Neil Winchurst wrote:
>> I have Gutsy and Hardy set up with dual boot. I am looking to move to 
>> Hardy as my main distro. I have sorted out most problems, but one still 
>> beats me.
>>
>> I use two email clients, Thunderbird and Sylpheed. When an email 
>> contains a URL reference I like to be able to click on it and to have 
>> Firefox open up in the correct site. If there is a graphic attachment I 
>> like to click on it and see it opened in the program of my choice, 
>> usually Gwenview.
>>
>> In Gutsy this works fine with both email clients. In Hardy this still 
>> works in Sylpheed but not in Thunderbird. Clicking on a URL or an 
>> attachment has no effect. I have searched and compared TB in both Gutsy 
>> and Hardy but cannot find any differences.
>>
>> Can anyone suggest where I look next or help in any way please?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Neil Winchurst
>>
>>   
> In Thunderbird:
> 
> Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Config Editor
> 
> Right click > New> String
> 
> add:
> 
> network.protocol-handler.app.http
> 
> firefox
> 
> Right click > New > String
> 
> add:
> 
> network,protocol-handler.app.https
> 
> firefox
> 
Thanks for all the help from everyone. I solved it by adding the strings 
as above to the config list, and it now works.

I don't remember doing that for Gutsy, but it is a while since I 
installed it so I might have forgotten. (I have now put a note in my 
reference book which I keep for all these tips which are so easily 
forgotten).

I wonder why this is not already set up in TB. It is something that I 
use regularly.

Thanks again

Neil



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Wed Nov  5 15:39:16 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:39:16 -0600
Subject: URL's in Thunderbird (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <4911BB44.5090605@drofle.com>
References: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com> <4911ACC9.7010103@swbell.net>
	<4911BB44.5090605@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <4911BE24.3010804@swbell.net>

On 11/05/2008 Neil Winchurst wrote:
>  Thanks for all the help from everyone. I solved it by adding the
>  strings
>  as above to the config list, and it now works.
>
>  I don't remember doing that for Gutsy, but it is a while since I
>  installed it so I might have forgotten. (I have now put a note in my
>  reference book which I keep for all these tips which are so easily
>  forgotten).

You didn't have to. Somewhere between the Thunderbird in Gutsy and the 
Thunderbird in Hardy Thunderbird left that out. Thunderbird in Hardy 
wouldn't automatically use the Hardy default browser either for some reason.

>
>  I wonder why this is not already set up in TB. It is something that I
>  use regularly.
>
>  Thanks again
>
>  Neil


-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.





From pfrancq at ulb.ac.be  Wed Nov  5 15:56:02 2008
From: pfrancq at ulb.ac.be (Pascal Francq)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:56:02 +0100
Subject: Speech to text?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811050714x50fc97cek6b4ab3aebaa6a1e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811051429.43977.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>
	<200811051405.36389.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<f495db580811050714x50fc97cek6b4ab3aebaa6a1e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811051656.05358.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>

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Do you have try it with OpenOffice.org or Lyx for example ?

On mercredi 05 novembre 2008, Knapp wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:05 PM, David Fletcher <dave at thefletchers.net> 
wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 November 2008 13:29:43 Pascal Francq wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Is there any open source solution for KUbuntu for "speech to text", i.e.
> >> speaking "directly" in a text processor ?
> >> Thanks.
> >> --
> >
> > I asked this same question myself, on behalf of a potential new Linux
> > user, a few months ago.
> >
> > He's still using the keyboard.
> >
> > Dave
>
> This is the best option that I have found.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMU_Sphinx
>
>
>
> --
> Douglas E Knapp
>
> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page


- -- 

Prof. Pascal Francq
Université Libre de Bruxelles
Avenue F.D. Roosevelt 50, CP 165/14
B-1050 Brussels
BELGIUM

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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 16:04:30 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:04:30 +0100
Subject: Speech to text?
In-Reply-To: <200811051656.05358.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>
References: <200811051429.43977.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>
	<200811051405.36389.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<f495db580811050714x50fc97cek6b4ab3aebaa6a1e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811051656.05358.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>
Message-ID: <f495db580811050804r26c3a517sc25e551fa23f941b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Pascal Francq <pfrancq at ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Do you have try it with OpenOffice.org or Lyx for example ?

No, I have not tried it with OpenOffice.org or anything else.  I don't
even have it in my computer yet. I just found it the other day. Please
let me know if you get it to work and how well it works.
Thanks,
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 16:32:14 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:32:14 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811040909.31496.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811051132.19480.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 4:09:31 am nepal wrote:
> merely seems like some other piece of software is being
> copied in order to 'stay with the gang', Instant impression
> was its trying to be like some well known m$ software.

Funny, I thought it was trying to be a prettier nautilus.

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From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  5 16:33:16 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:33:16 +0000
Subject: confusing version numbers in Adept Manager
Message-ID: <200811051633.16966.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

Using Kubuntu 7.10 with updates AFAICT.

Can someone please explain how I am supposed to know what 
version an item of software is when the version number in 
Adept Manager bears no resemblance to official version 
number. If I see a kde app with 4.3.5.8 ok, this is obvious 
(my assumption) that it is for kde 3.5.8, but there are 
many items with numbers nothing like this sometimes like 
5:17 or somesuch.

This has caused me to screw up my 7.10 installation and is 
making me feel like I'm using Mandriva again. i.e. if it 
works, don't touch anything cos it will only break it.

I liked Kubuntu in the beginning because it seemed like even 
a noddy like me can update it as and when it is needed, now 
I do not see that at all and am completely confused.

I have held back updating to 8.x for this very reason, my 
linux experience has always been changes = f**ing headaches 
since I started using linux 8 years ago.

I have a fresh install of 8.05 on another disk but am loathe 
to migrate. 

What is your best advice, I don't want the latest bells and 
whistles, just a simple system that works, and that I can 
keep uptodate easily if at all possible.

TIA

nepal.



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 16:44:42 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:44:42 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811040848w2a1ab82dp352af6bdada7e824@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811041630.07958.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<880dece00811040848w2a1ab82dp352af6bdada7e824@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811051144.48112.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 11:48:18 am Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Krusader really is a great file manager. I highly recommend it,
> especially for technical users like you and me. Dolphin is not for us.

I just installed Krusader.  It reminds me of ... gentoo (the file manager, not 
the distro) for KDE.  Gentoo was an non-gnome, non-KDE file manager.  I don't 
know if it is still supported, but came in handy when I ran Red Hat 7.x (and 
its crippled version of KDE — Red Hat and KDE seemed to hate each other back 
then).
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 17:08:20 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:08:20 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <20081104171438.36a5c343.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<880dece00811040748p772716c4uedc0443afa9e4e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104171438.36a5c343.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200811051208.20177.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 12:14:38 pm James Tappin wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:48:28 +0200
> "Dotan Cohen" <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> DC> 2008/11/4 James Tappin <sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk>:
> DC> > For me the big gripe about Dolphin is that it doesn't embed image
> DC> > or text file display.
> DC> >
> DC>
> DC> That is a design feature, not a bug so far as I understand. But the
> DC> Information sidebar should preview the files for you.
> DC>
>
> I don't dispute that it's intended, I just don't like it. The ability to
> open files in an embedded viewer is IMHO one of the best features of
> konqueror.

Which is why the "swiss army knife" nature of Konqueror is so nice.  The whole 
is indeed greater than the sum of its parts.
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 17:20:57 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:20:57 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <490FF5E5.7010408@gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<490FF5E5.7010408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811051221.03168.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 2:12:37 am O. Sinclair wrote:
> I dont feel one bit like changing distro

Who does?  But we can either (1) continue to complain about KDE 4, (2) while 
hoping someone will create a KDE 3 ppa for Intrepid, (*) or we could exercise 
our software freedom and pick a distro that does what we prefer.

I think sanity dictates (*)
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 17:24:14 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:24:14 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811040152n3fdb7ae8i8be1b773e393048b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org> <490FF5E5.7010408@gmail.com>
	<f495db580811040152n3fdb7ae8i8be1b773e393048b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811051224.15061.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 4:52:32 am Knapp wrote:
> > Apparently OpenSuse will continue to package KDE 3.5 as an alternative:
> > http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/09/kde-in-opensuse-111-and-beyond/
> > I dont feel one bit like changing distro as I am using 2 Dell laptops
> > and they do work best with (K)Ubuntu but I might give it a try just to
> > see how it works
> >
> > Sinclair
>
> I think this email goes to the core of the problem of making a default
> that is not yet ready to be the default software. I have at this point
> lost count of the number of people that have stated that they will try
> other distros. I am sure of lot of them have no intention of staying
> with the new distro and will come screaming back here to a familiar
> bed but some WILL leave and that weakens Kubuntu and Ubuntu brand in
> general. When the Devs start doing stuff that makes a bunch of the
> core posters try other Distros then something has gone VERY wrong. I
> too find my self in this boat. Stay and change to KDE4 in a year or
> else leave to something like Debian or maybe Sabayon.

I am finding Debian to be very nice, with lots of choices.  It is different, 
and will take this 4-year *ubuntu user some time to get used to, but not so 
much time as it will take to get KDE 4 working.
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 17:29:45 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:29:45 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
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On Tuesday 04 November 2008 8:41:18 am Knapp wrote:
> I personally would not want to use suse, based on the MS interaction
> and I know they are not closely related but just the idea is enough
> for me.

For some in mixed business environments, that is what makes SUSE so nice.  I 
used SLED 10.1 for a while and couldn't believe how well it integrated out of 
the box.  That said, I hated RPM and everything associated with it, and 
eventually gave up AD integration in favor of apt-based Ubuntu that I could 
easily administer.  It seems Samba 4 will have AD integration built in.

So I stick with Ubuntu for integration with the rest of the computers in the 
enterprise, and move to Debian for personal, KDE work.
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov  5 17:46:17 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:46:17 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
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Billie Walsh wrote:

> Herman Holmström wrote:
>> Honestly. I've recently started using KDE instead of gnome, and I like
>> Dolphin a lot more than Nautilus. I just don't understand why people
>> think it's so bad. I mean, I'm no hardcore user. I want to be able to
>> browse and move my files. Which pretty much any file manager does. I can
>> understand if a file manager is utterly retarded and crashes and, well,
>> just doesn't work. Why is it that so many hates Dolphin?
>>
>>   
> Since sometime before forever Konqueror was _the_ file browser/internet
> browser, and just all around Swiss Army Knife, of KDE. Dolphin is
> something "new" AND it _ISN'T_ Konqueror.
> 
> In other words, It's something new and different. People don't want "new
> and different". They want old and familiar.

While that's true of people in general, we are all more flexible than that
or we'd still be using Windows.  We want new and _better_, and we'd darn
well better never lose anything we're still using.
> 
> In all honesty Konqueror was/is [ IMHO ] a much better file manager than
> it was/is a net browser. ... It will have to make
> a few quantum leaps before I trade in Firefox for it.

Not to mention an attitude change from the developers who refuse to do
something wrong, just because everybody else does it.  If a web page
displays in FF and IE, then it has to display equally well in Konqueror,
whether or not it complies with standards.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov  5 18:00:41 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:00:41 -0400
Subject: Retarded != Stupid (was Re: Why do people dislike Dolphin?)
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<1898886.8lUDpGAaRJ@cedar.serverforest.com>
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p.daniels wrote:

> On Monday November 3 2008 08:33:45 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Because D3lphin was pretty much utterly retarded compared to Konqueror.
> 
> Not to be a nitpicker and not to call you particularly out, Derek, because
> I've seen other people use it on this list as well, but could we please
> not use "retarded" as a synonym for "bad/stupid?"

I would never do that.  D3lphin is retarded in every sense of the word - NOT
stupid, as I've already plonked Emanoil for insisting on using that word.

dict:retarded -> "slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development
or academic progress".  I believe that means _exactly_ how I feel about
D3lphin.  Yes, it also says "sometimes offensive".

> I have a mildly disabled brother whom I love. "Retarded" when misused in
> this manner is a fairly offensive word to me, 

And I find it offensive when people get upset with me for using a word AS IT
IS MEANT, not as they would have it; like the time my boss called me on the
carpet for sending an email in which the recipient took what I said as
_exactly_ the opposite of what it meant.  The boss understood what I wrote,
but said I should have used smaller words... 
-- 
derek




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 18:34:32 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:34:32 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
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2008/11/5 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> Not to mention an attitude change from the developers who refuse to do
> something wrong, just because everybody else does it.  If a web page
> displays in FF and IE, then it has to display equally well in Konqueror,
> whether or not it complies with standards.

Could you post some example websites?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 18:51:42 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:51:42 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/5 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>> Not to mention an attitude change from the developers who refuse to do
>> something wrong, just because everybody else does it.  If a web page
>> displays in FF and IE, then it has to display equally well in Konqueror,
>> whether or not it complies with standards.
>
> Could you post some example websites?
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen

Gmail is one example. It works but only in low quality.



-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 18:58:35 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:58:35 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811051358.40589.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 1:34:32 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Could you post some example websites?

http://www.pnc.com/

Now that is a really important web site to me, because I do my banking with 
it, but the problems occur /after/ I log in (when Konqueror allows me to log 
in).

Not only does it work in FF, but it also works on Safari on my iTouch.

Another problem I seem to have a lot with Konqueror is when I do a form post.  
The post is often successful, but Konqueror doesn't automatically move to the 
results page.  When I force it, it complains that there is unsent form data.

The thing that most upset me about the Konqueror changes was that they were 
taking a combination top class file manager and mediocre web browser and 
making it merely a mediocre web browser.

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 12:46:17 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
> Not to mention an attitude change from the developers who refuse to do
> something wrong, just because everybody else does it.  If a web page
> displays in FF and IE, then it has to display equally well in Konqueror,
> whether or not it complies with standards.

And this angers me as well. FOSS adapts all of the time.  Samba works with 
windows shares; it doesn't complain that they are poorly implemented.  kpdf 
opens and displays the Adobe Acrobat format, and adapts to changes in that 
format; it doesn't complain about the format.  OpenOffice supports ODF, but 
it also supports the MS XML formats because its users need it to; it doesn't 
refuse to support them because they don't conform to ODF standards.


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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 19:09:13 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:09:13 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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2008/11/5 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>> Could you post some example websites?
>
> Gmail is one example. It works but only in low quality.
>

No, you just need to tell it to ignore the UA. Try this address for Gmail:
http://mail.google.com/mail?nocheckbrowser

The site http://gmail-com.com had a lot of good tips like this once.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 19:14:34 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:14:34 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811051358.40589.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>
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2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 1:34:32 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> Could you post some example websites?
>
> http://www.pnc.com/
>
> Now that is a really important web site to me, because I do my banking with
> it, but the problems occur /after/ I log in (when Konqueror allows me to log
> in).
>

I would appreciate if you would be very specific, offlist if you want.
I cannot log in as I do not have an account there.

> Not only does it work in FF, but it also works on Safari on my iTouch.
>
> Another problem I seem to have a lot with Konqueror is when I do a form post.
> The post is often successful, but Konqueror doesn't automatically move to the
> results page.  When I force it, it complains that there is unsent form data.
>

I haven't seen this. Do you have a known-bad page that I can test on?

> The thing that most upset me about the Konqueror changes was that they were
> taking a combination top class file manager and mediocre web browser and
> making it merely a mediocre web browser.
>

I know, dumb move. The thinking is that they need a dedicated web
browser (NIH syndrome, no?) so instead of developing a new one, they
kept Konqueror as the web browser so that yet _another_ browser would
not be added to the browser market. WTF?

> And this angers me as well. FOSS adapts all of the time.  Samba works with
> windows shares; it doesn't complain that they are poorly implemented.  kpdf
> opens and displays the Adobe Acrobat format, and adapts to changes in that
> format; it doesn't complain about the format.  OpenOffice supports ODF, but
> it also supports the MS XML formats because its users need it to; it doesn't
> refuse to support them because they don't conform to ODF standards.
>

I was unaware of this attitude in Konq devs. In fact, I remember
reading about how Gmail was making it hard on konqi with the
obfusicated javascript, and how the devs decoded it. Could you post
links showing where konqueror devs refused to make the browser work
with non-standard code? Because so far as I understand most of the web
is nonstandard code.

By the way, don't get me started on OOo's implementation of ODF.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 19:15:23 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:15:23 +0200
Subject: URL's in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811050708p781086dbu953f5195c09aae07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>
	<880dece00811050539l4927ccffgbba1cebc0fc6cbd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4911B16C.7010002@yahoo.it>
	<880dece00811050708p781086dbu953f5195c09aae07@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/11/5 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> 2008/11/5 Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it>:
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>> 2008/11/5 Neil Winchurst <barnaby at drofle.com>:
>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone suggest where I look next or help in any way please?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> $ cat .mozilla-thunderbird/***.default/user.js
>>>
>>> user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/bin/firefox");
>>
>>                                                 ^^^^^ shouldn't this be
>> the same path for all the entries?
>
> Yes, it should be. Mine is actually something else, and I edited it by
> hand, therefore the mistake. Sorry. You've got a good eye for catching
> that!
>

i don't even have a user.js file, and for some reason, thunderbird
opens links in firefox! not that i'm complaining ;-)


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 19:45:04 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:45:04 +0200
Subject: URL's in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811051115u3341868at9598f3712d82e013@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49118933.9050807@drofle.com>
	<880dece00811050539l4927ccffgbba1cebc0fc6cbd7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4911B16C.7010002@yahoo.it>
	<880dece00811050708p781086dbu953f5195c09aae07@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/11/5 Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> i don't even have a user.js file, and for some reason, thunderbird
> opens links in firefox! not that i'm complaining ;-)
>

You may have installed libvoodoowebbrowserlinks sometime, possibly
with another package.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 19:52:23 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:52:23 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811051114i5f0d662ev301af674c67cdc62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811051358.40589.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 05 November 2008 2:14:34 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> > On Wednesday 05 November 2008 1:34:32 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> Could you post some example websites?
> >
> > http://www.pnc.com/
> >
> > Now that is a really important web site to me, because I do my banking
> > with it, but the problems occur /after/ I log in (when Konqueror allows
> > me to log in).
>
> I would appreciate if you would be very specific, offlist if you want.
> I cannot log in as I do not have an account there.

Its hard to show, because it is what isn't there, or doesn't happen.

Screen elements don't display, button clicks don't do anything.


>
> > Not only does it work in FF, but it also works on Safari on my iTouch.


Which is odd because I thought Safari was based on Konqueror's KHTML engine.  
I guess Apple has moved on from KHTML



> >
> > Another problem I seem to have a lot with Konqueror is when I do a form
> > post. The post is often successful, but Konqueror doesn't automatically
> > move to the results page.  When I force it, it complains that there is
> > unsent form data.
>
> I haven't seen this. Do you have a known-bad page that I can test on?

I don't keep track, but I will try to remember to post when it happens again.

Frankly, the only time I use Konqueror as a web browser is when it is opened 
by a link in another kde app.


>
> > The thing that most upset me about the Konqueror changes was that they
> > were taking a combination top class file manager and mediocre web browser
> > and making it merely a mediocre web browser.
>
> I know, dumb move. The thinking is that they need a dedicated web
> browser (NIH syndrome, no?) so instead of developing a new one, they
> kept Konqueror as the web browser so that yet _another_ browser would
> not be added to the browser market. WTF?

Wasn't Nautilus once a web browser and file browser, and they abandoned the 
web browser part (not vice versa)?


>
> > And this angers me as well. FOSS adapts all of the time.  Samba works
> > with windows shares; it doesn't complain that they are poorly
> > implemented.  kpdf opens and displays the Adobe Acrobat format, and
> > adapts to changes in that format; it doesn't complain about the format.
> >  OpenOffice supports ODF, but it also supports the MS XML formats because
> > its users need it to; it doesn't refuse to support them because they
> > don't conform to ODF standards.
>
> I was unaware of this attitude in Konq devs. In fact, I remember
> reading about how Gmail was making it hard on konqi with the
> obfusicated javascript, and how the devs decoded it. Could you post
> links showing where konqueror devs refused to make the browser work
> with non-standard code? Because so far as I understand most of the web
> is nonstandard code.

I have been chided by standards purist for requesting this, on this list and 
elsewhere.  Perhaps googling the archive for "Konqueror w3c standards".  
Within the last month on a thread involving wine or IE, I mentioned that my 
company had bought a financial management system that used active x, so was 
IE only, and how I got IE to run on Kubuntu.  The response I got was that I 
should refuse to use web sites that weren't w3c compliant.


>
> By the way, don't get me started on OOo's implementation of ODF.


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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 19:56:51 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:56:51 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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2008/11/5 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> 2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
>> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 1:34:32 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>> Could you post some example websites?
>>
>> http://www.pnc.com/
>>
>> Now that is a really important web site to me, because I do my banking with
>> it, but the problems occur /after/ I log in (when Konqueror allows me to log
>> in).
>>
>
> I would appreciate if you would be very specific, offlist if you want.
> I cannot log in as I do not have an account there.
>
>> Not only does it work in FF, but it also works on Safari on my iTouch.
>>
>> Another problem I seem to have a lot with Konqueror is when I do a form post.
>> The post is often successful, but Konqueror doesn't automatically move to the
>> results page.  When I force it, it complains that there is unsent form data.
>>
>
> I haven't seen this. Do you have a known-bad page that I can test on?
>
>> The thing that most upset me about the Konqueror changes was that they were
>> taking a combination top class file manager and mediocre web browser and
>> making it merely a mediocre web browser.
>>
>
> I know, dumb move. The thinking is that they need a dedicated web
> browser (NIH syndrome, no?) so instead of developing a new one, they
> kept Konqueror as the web browser so that yet _another_ browser would
> not be added to the browser market. WTF?
>

the smart decisiuon would have been to keep konqueror as an excellent
file manager, and create a new dedicated web browser called dolphin.
and that would'nt have been hard since konqueror was already an
excellent file manager, and they only need a UI for their new browser,
since it will use khtml as a backend, right? i really wish i can
understand what the KDE devs were thinking when they took their
choices.  at the very least, know what they were hoping to accomplish,
assuming that everything went fine and bug-free for them, because no
matter what, that decision was crazy!

>> And this angers me as well. FOSS adapts all of the time.  Samba works with
>> windows shares; it doesn't complain that they are poorly implemented.  kpdf
>> opens and displays the Adobe Acrobat format, and adapts to changes in that
>> format; it doesn't complain about the format.  OpenOffice supports ODF, but
>> it also supports the MS XML formats because its users need it to; it doesn't
>> refuse to support them because they don't conform to ODF standards.
>>
>
> I was unaware of this attitude in Konq devs. In fact, I remember
> reading about how Gmail was making it hard on konqi with the
> obfusicated javascript, and how the devs decoded it. Could you post
> links showing where konqueror devs refused to make the browser work
> with non-standard code? Because so far as I understand most of the web
> is nonstandard code.
>
> By the way, don't get me started on OOo's implementation of ODF.
>

i'm not sure i know of any official kde source stating this, but
everywhere konqueror is mentioned, the author states how the konq
developers try to make konq as much standard compliant as possible,
and refuse to tweak it so non-standard websites (all websites? :-P)
look better. i know the gmail article you mentioned, it's in the blog
of one of the konq developers.
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1195
you surely noticed his attitude? how much he hates to make konqueror
non standard compliant? hw he hated having to tweak a few stuff to
make gmail behave better. and that's only because gmail is popular.
i'm sure he'll never agree to tweak anything in konqueror for other
sites to work.
and to be honest, i fully back him, and think he's right. if we have a
lot more programmers around the world taking his stand, we'll have a
better standard compliant web. i mean if only a tiny fraction of the
web is compliant standard, how can we call it "standard" ? what a
shame, really.

i'm not very knowledgeable is office formats and their
implementations. what's wrong with openoffice and odf? firstly, i
understand from what you said, that ODF is not created by the
openoffice team? i used to think so, until your sentence confused me
:-P so who created it? and what are openoffice doing wrong with it?



-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 20:25:43 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:25:43 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811051452.28825.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
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2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> Its hard to show, because it is what isn't there, or doesn't happen.
>
> Screen elements don't display, button clicks don't do anything.
>

How does it work in Firefox with Javascript disabled?

> Which is odd because I thought Safari was based on Konqueror's KHTML engine.
> I guess Apple has moved on from KHTML
>

It's a KHTML fork (no, not really, but I am applying Dotan's Razor
here) called WebKit.

>> I haven't seen this. Do you have a known-bad page that I can test on?
>
> I don't keep track, but I will try to remember to post when it happens again.
>

Thanks, please do!

> Frankly, the only time I use Konqueror as a web browser is when it is opened
> by a link in another kde app.
>

Same with me, but I still have an interest in improving it.

> Wasn't Nautilus once a web browser and file browser, and they abandoned the
> web browser part (not vice versa)?
>

I did not know that.

> I have been chided by standards purist for requesting this, on this list and
> elsewhere.  Perhaps googling the archive for "Konqueror w3c standards".
> Within the last month on a thread involving wine or IE, I mentioned that my
> company had bought a financial management system that used active x, so was
> IE only, and how I got IE to run on Kubuntu.  The response I got was that I
> should refuse to use web sites that weren't w3c compliant.
>

Wow. I love fanatics. Their's is a good cause, but not worth you job!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 20:34:29 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:34:29 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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2008/11/5 Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> the smart decisiuon would have been to keep konqueror as an excellent
> file manager, and create a new dedicated web browser called dolphin.

That would have introduced another web browser to the already crowded
pool. Besides, believe it or not, Konqueror is respected as a very
good web browser, even if it is not a very usable web browser.

> and that would'nt have been hard since konqueror was already an
> excellent file manager, and they only need a UI for their new browser,
> since it will use khtml as a backend, right? i really wish i can
> understand what the KDE devs were thinking when they took their
> choices.

They were making life easier for web developers. This was not seen as
being at the expense of users, as there was already a want to make a
'friendlier' file manager the default.

> at the very least, know what they were hoping to accomplish,
> assuming that everything went fine and bug-free for them, because no
> matter what, that decision was crazy!
>

I think that it was a good decision:
1) Web devs don't get confused with yet another browser
2) Simple end users get a simple file manager
3) Advanced users can use Konqueror like we always have.

As one who installs Kubuntu for lots of MS converts, the switch to a
simple file manager is a blessing.

> i'm not sure i know of any official kde source stating this, but
> everywhere konqueror is mentioned, the author states how the konq
> developers try to make konq as much standard compliant as possible,
> and refuse to tweak it so non-standard websites (all websites? :-P)
> look better. i know the gmail article you mentioned, it's in the blog
> of one of the konq developers.
> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1195
> you surely noticed his attitude? how much he hates to make konqueror
> non standard compliant? hw he hated having to tweak a few stuff to
> make gmail behave better. and that's only because gmail is popular.
> i'm sure he'll never agree to tweak anything in konqueror for other
> sites to work.
> and to be honest, i fully back him, and think he's right. if we have a
> lot more programmers around the world taking his stand, we'll have a
> better standard compliant web. i mean if only a tiny fraction of the
> web is compliant standard, how can we call it "standard" ? what a
> shame, really.
>

The situation is a mess. I haven't seen the post you refer to, but
I'll look for it.

> i'm not very knowledgeable is office formats and their
> implementations. what's wrong with openoffice and odf? firstly, i
> understand from what you said, that ODF is not created by the
> openoffice team? i used to think so, until your sentence confused me
> :-P so who created it? and what are openoffice doing wrong with it?
>

Open Office is not doing anything wrong with ODF. Really. However,
there is no reference implementation of ODF therefore each program
(OOo, Abiword, Koffice) will display things differently (even though
they are all to spec). Now that MS Office 2007 SP1 will support ODF it
will undoubtably become the reference spec as it is very widely
distributed. And there is opposition to working with MS in having ODF
render similarly across both apps from what I understand.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 20:37:44 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:37:44 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811051225j7526d3delf61fb8d080b5c3d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811051452.28825.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 05 November 2008 3:25:43 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> > Its hard to show, because it is what isn't there, or doesn't happen.
> >
> > Screen elements don't display, button clicks don't do anything.
>
> How does it work in Firefox with Javascript disabled?

It complains that javascript is disabled.  It does not complain in konqueror.  
it just doesn't do anything.


>
> > Which is odd because I thought Safari was based on Konqueror's KHTML
> > engine. I guess Apple has moved on from KHTML
>
> It's a KHTML fork (no, not really, but I am applying Dotan's Razor
> here) called WebKit.

Thanks.  I haven't kept up to date on it but remember when KDE was showing 
some pride in having Apple adopt KHTML for Safari when OSX was new.




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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 20:45:19 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:45:19 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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On Wednesday 05 November 2008 3:34:29 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Konqueror is respected as a very
> good web browser, even if it is not a very usable web browser.

What a bizarre statement!

What is good about it if it isn't usable?  The color of its icons?
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 20:46:55 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:46:55 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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On Wednesday 05 November 2008 3:34:29 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>  there was already a want to make a
> 'friendlier' file manager the default.

This is what I was talking about when I said in a prior post that dolphin was 
an intentionally dumbed down file manager.
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 20:49:02 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:49:02 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 3:34:29 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> Konqueror is respected as a very
>> good web browser, even if it is not a very usable web browser.
>
> What a bizarre statement!
>
> What is good about it if it isn't usable?  The color of its icons?
>

Specification adherence? I don't know, but I know that it is
respected. It also has some pioneering features such as the keyboard
navigation.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 20:54:21 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:54:21 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811051234t3390db2cxaa7df742e0d5282e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<15edeae40811051156y2a75161bi99e7eff0ba2ffc38@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 05 November 2008 3:34:29 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I think that it was a good decision:
> 1) Web devs don't get confused with yet another browser

Reality check:  Too few people use Konqueror as a web browser for most web 
developers to care.  This thread is evidence that Konqueror isn't even used 
by a significant number of KDE users as a web browser, let alone the public 
as a whole.  In reality, my bank cares as much about Konqueror users as it 
does about Lynx or Links users.


> 2) Simple end users get a simple file manager
> 3) Advanced users can use Konqueror like we always have.

But isn't that "simple file manager" the kio_slave that provides the 
simplistic future functionality for Konqueror-as-file-manager?  How does 
running dolphin through Konqueror, make it less simplistic and more powerful?




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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 20:47:38 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:47:38 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 3:34:29 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> Konqueror is respected as a very
>> good web browser, even if it is not a very usable web browser.
>
> What a bizarre statement!
>
> What is good about it if it isn't usable?  The color of its icons?
>

no, it's respect for standards, make it a respectable browser!

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 21:07:39 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:07:39 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811051247r42b5fc8dmeb2d14a293d6c9b0@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 05 November 2008 3:47:38 pm Willy Hamra wrote:
> 2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> > On Wednesday 05 November 2008 3:34:29 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> Konqueror is respected as a very
> >> good web browser, even if it is not a very usable web browser.
> >
> > What a bizarre statement!
> >
> > What is good about it if it isn't usable?  The color of its icons?
>
> no, it's respect for standards, make it a respectable browser!

OK, let's respect it by putting in a box in a museum.  

A brass plate beneath it saying 

      Konqueror
   While unusable,
 It respected standards
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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 21:28:08 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:28:08 +1000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:34:29 am Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/5 Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> > the smart decisiuon would have been to keep konqueror as an excellent
> > file manager, and create a new dedicated web browser called dolphin.
>
> That would have introduced another web browser to the already crowded
> pool. Besides, believe it or not, Konqueror is respected as a very
> good web browser, even if it is not a very usable web browser.

Why do you find it not usable? Personally I find it fine - not that different from 
any other webbrowser. Its just the flash support that bugs me :)

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 21:58:20 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:58:20 +1000
Subject: KDE4 Development
Message-ID: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

I would like to try some KDE4 development - apps and plasmoids. However 
KDevelop seems somewhat lacking on direct KDE4 support - no wizards etc. Or 
have I missed the right packages for installation? Could anyone point me in 
the right direction?


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 22:11:49 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:11:49 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811051554.21523.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 3:34:29 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> I think that it was a good decision:
>> 1) Web devs don't get confused with yet another browser
>
> Reality check:  Too few people use Konqueror as a web browser for most web
> developers to care.  This thread is evidence that Konqueror isn't even used
> by a significant number of KDE users as a web browser, let alone the public
> as a whole.  In reality, my bank cares as much about Konqueror users as it
> does about Lynx or Links users.
>

Right, that's why I switched banks. I left Bank Discount for Bank
HaPoalim and let Bank Discount know why.

>
>> 2) Simple end users get a simple file manager
>> 3) Advanced users can use Konqueror like we always have.
>
> But isn't that "simple file manager" the kio_slave that provides the
> simplistic future functionality for Konqueror-as-file-manager?  How does
> running dolphin through Konqueror, make it less simplistic and more powerful?
>

Dolphin-part has some really good features,especially for those of us
who prefer one-click. About the only thing now missing is the rich
context menus. That's why I need people to tell me what they are
missing. All that will be in Konqueror, but with Konqueror's UI. You
won't even know that it's dolphin underneath.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From fred.schaer at free.fr  Wed Nov  5 19:48:04 2008
From: fred.schaer at free.fr (Frederic Schaer)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:48:04 +0100
Subject: cant get udev rule to work... ?
In-Reply-To: <1301639.QbGWvMiAmd@cedar.serverforest.com>
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Hi,

I'm still having the same problem yes - I can sort of workaround it
using a script, a grep on /sys/class/video4linux/video0 and use tvtime's
-d and -b options, but... err... it's a bit dirty :'(

Strange this is so out od date : this tutorial is at the top of google
search "udev tutorial", and linked from many other places...
It's even linked here :
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html

I tried something else (use of SYSFS instead of ATTR) :
ATTR{name}=="*video _WinFast DTV2000*",NAME="video0"
ATTR{name}=="*vbi _WinFast DTV2000*",NAME="vbi0"
ATTR{name}=="*video _Pinnacle
PCTV*",ATTR{card}=="39",NAME="video1",SYMLINK+="pctvvideo"
ATTR{name}=="*vbi _Pinnacle PCTV*",NAME="vbi1",SYMLINK+="pctvvbi"
SYSFS{name}=="BT878 video _Pinnacle
PCTV*",NAME="video1",SYMLINK+="pctvvideo"
SYSFSname}=="BT878 vbi _Pinnacle PCTV Studio",NAME="vbi1",SYMLINK+="pctvvbi"

last line contains an error (missing "{") :  only with this error in the
udev rules file, I can see udevtest output some information about what
it would do :

udev_rules_get_name: add symlink 'pctvvbi'
udev_rules_get_name: rule applied, 'video1' becomes 'vbi1' << this is
wrong... but why is it so ???
udev_db_get_device: found a symlink as db file
udev_device_event: device
'/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:05:01.0/video4linux/video1'
already in database, cleanup
udev_node_add: creating device node '/dev/vbi1', major=81, minor=1,
mode=0660, uid=0, gid=44
udev_node_update_symlinks: update symlink 'pctvvbi' of
'/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:05:01.0/video4linux/video1'
udev_db_get_devices_by_name: no index directory
'/dev/.udev/names/pctvvbi': No such file or directory
update_link: found -1 devices with name 'pctvvbi'
update_link: no reference left, remove 'pctvvbi'
udev_db_get_devices_by_name: found index directory '/dev/.udev/names/video1'
update_link: found 1 devices with name 'video1'
update_link: found
'/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:05:01.0/video4linux/video1' for
'video1'
update_link: compare (our own) priority of
'/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:05:01.0/video4linux/video1' 0 >= 0
update_link: 'video1' with target 'vbi1' has the highest priority 0,
create it
udevtest: run: 'socket:/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event'
udevtest: run: 'socket:/org/kernel/udev/monitor'

If I correct the error, then there's no more symlink created.. ????

Regards

Derek Broughton a écrit :
> Fred Schaer wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I followed this tutorial :
>> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
>>     
>
> Oh wow.  I recall asking Scott Remnant if we could get that included in the
> udev package about 3 years ago - and he said it was so out of date, it
> wasn't worth including.  udev has come a long way since then!
>
> Beyond that, if you still have a problem on Thursday I'll try to look at it,
> but I'm operating in panic mode until then :-)
>   



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 22:56:19 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:56:19 +0200
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880dece00811051456v6763fd8dy67cafb05bbc32050@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/1 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
> Anyone out there no of an linux/kubuntu apps that is able to monitor the
> dial-up using the amount
> have used in the previous sessions on daily basis plus monthly then store
> all this info for counting
> purposes.
>
>

Here, I asked on Debian-user and there are some good recommendations in there:
http://www.nabble.com/Dialup-connection-timer-td20329926.html

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From art.alexion at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 00:55:20 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:55:20 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811060728.09114.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<15edeae40811051156y2a75161bi99e7eff0ba2ffc38@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811051234t3390db2cxaa7df742e0d5282e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811060728.09114.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811051655h5bb92eeatdc03e00d4d24c44@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Lindsay Mathieson
<lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:34:29 am Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 2008/11/5 Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
>> > the smart decisiuon would have been to keep konqueror as an excellent
>> > file manager, and create a new dedicated web browser called dolphin.
>>
>> That would have introduced another web browser to the already crowded
>> pool. Besides, believe it or not, Konqueror is respected as a very
>> good web browser, even if it is not a very usable web browser.
>
> Why do you find it not usable? Personally I find it fine - not that different from
> any other webbrowser. Its just the flash support that bugs me :)

While I find the flash support fine, I wouldn't find it usable if it
didn't support flash.  I don't particularly like flash, and always
install flashblock on firefox (would be nice if konqueror supported
firefox extensions) I wouldn't call a browser that didn't display
flash when I did want it useful.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From d.mcglone at att.net  Thu Nov  6 00:55:25 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:55:25 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811051955.25716.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 1:51:42 pm Knapp wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2008/11/5 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> >> Not to mention an attitude change from the developers who refuse to do
> >> something wrong, just because everybody else does it.  If a web page
> >> displays in FF and IE, then it has to display equally well in Konqueror,
> >> whether or not it complies with standards.
> >
> > Could you post some example websites?
> >
> > --
> > Dotan Cohen
>
> Gmail is one example. It works but only in low quality.


And NFL.com the menu's drop down only to hide behind the flash content and if 
you're not  a fantasy football player, you wouldn't know that there is a 
login box on the right of the page that will not show in konqueror unless the 
adblock filters are turned off in konquerors properties. 

-- 
David M.



From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com  Thu Nov  6 02:09:27 2008
From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:09:27 +0000
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <200811060728.09114.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<15edeae40811051156y2a75161bi99e7eff0ba2ffc38@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811051234t3390db2cxaa7df742e0d5282e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811060728.09114.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081106020927.0f82f110@graham-desktop>

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:28:08 +1000
Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why do you find it not usable? Personally I find it fine - not that
> different from any other webbrowser. Its just the flash support that
> bugs me :)
[snipped]

To be honest, the only reason I dislike Dolphin is that it isn't like
Krusader or Commander, and that I can't find any way of making Krusader
my default file manager (so Dolphin keeps popping up when I don't want
it to do so).  Konqueror and Dolphin (which have a very similar interface) 
are OK as far as they go, but I am happier with Krusader, and that is what 
seems to me to be at the base of the complaints - lack of familiarity.

This goes for the whole of KDE4: its radically different, and the shock
of the new has made those of us used to KDE 3.5 and before, look to the
similarities, which are few and far between.  Its not that Dolphin is
IMHO anyway, a bad file manager, its just that its different.

I have been investigating a number of other distro's "power behind the
Window Manager" and the vest majority seem to be GNOME based.  I used
to HATE the GNOME desktop, but it has improved so much that if KDE4
does not get its act together and making it less radical, I'll guess
I'll be transferring to an Ubuntu based system. (Phew! Now I'll wash my
mouth out with carbolic soap and water.)

I'll still be loyal and try it from time to time, but the Kubuntu
developers have lost this user until they can make KDE4 a viable,
easily usable interface to the desktop for we "old hands".

-- 
Graham Todd




From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 03:10:50 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:10:50 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811051456v6763fd8dy67cafb05bbc32050@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811051456v6763fd8dy67cafb05bbc32050@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU143-W18B77B6873B82883DDF4A7CD1E0@phx.gbl>


Dotan,
 
I have read the link but dont know how to write a script?
 
ray> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:56:19 +0200> From: dotancohen at gmail.com> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu apps like time-up> > 2008/11/1 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:> > Anyone out there no of an linux/kubuntu apps that is able to monitor the> > dial-up using the amount> > have used in the previous sessions on daily basis plus monthly then store> > all this info for counting> > purposes.> >> >> > Here, I asked on Debian-user and there are some good recommendations in there:> http://www.nabble.com/Dialup-connection-timer-td20329926.html> > -- > Dotan Cohen> > http://what-is-what.com> http://gibberish.co.il> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת> > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü> -- > kubuntu-users mailing list> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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From nadreck at palain.com  Thu Nov  6 03:13:39 2008
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:13:39 -0500
Subject: More on Krusader and launching files
Message-ID: <491260E3.80702@palain.com>

I have now checked this on 3 different computers. All were upgraded from 
Hardy to Intrepid, and from KDE3 to KDE4. And all of them exhibit the 
same problem, that Krusader can no longer launch files. Given this, I 
think it is pretty clear that there is some kind of bug involved, though 
I cannot tell whether it is in Kubuntu or KDE4. I have files a bug 
report with Kubuntu for now.

Regards,

-- 
Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL
nadreck at palain.com      Linux User #333216

"People call me feminist whenever I express sentiments that 
differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute." -- Rebecca West



From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Thu Nov  6 03:14:33 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:14:33 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811051655h5bb92eeatdc03e00d4d24c44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811060728.09114.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811051655h5bb92eeatdc03e00d4d24c44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811052214.34063.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Lindsay Mathieson
>
> <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:34:29 am Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> 2008/11/5 Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> >> > the smart decisiuon would have been to keep konqueror as an excellent
> >> > file manager, and create a new dedicated web browser called dolphin.
> >>
> >> That would have introduced another web browser to the already crowded
> >> pool. Besides, believe it or not, Konqueror is respected as a very
> >> good web browser, even if it is not a very usable web browser.
> >
> > Why do you find it not usable? Personally I find it fine - not that
> > different from any other webbrowser. Its just the flash support that bugs
> > me :)
>
> While I find the flash support fine, I wouldn't find it usable if it
> didn't support flash.  I don't particularly like flash, and always
> install flashblock on firefox (would be nice if konqueror supported
> firefox extensions) I wouldn't call a browser that didn't display
> flash when I did want it useful.

Hard to shop online without flash, and I use flashblock as well...but damn, if 
the 360, rotate, zoom thing isn't useful...Almost as useful as huge images, 
but nobody online except Maxpedition, does that anymore.




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 07:48:13 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:48:13 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>

> No, you just need to tell it to ignore the UA. Try this address for Gmail:
> http://mail.google.com/mail?nocheckbrowser
>
> The site http://gmail-com.com had a lot of good tips like this once.
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen

OK, but that still misses the point. If I use FF, I don't need to go
to some special URL for dumb browsers.
You know what is a really great browser is Dillo 2!!!! Wow, boots in
like a 0.1 seconds, renders pages in an eye blink. If it could just
run, all the codecs, java and javascript it would be really good! In
can now do cookies! This might sound like sarcasm, but I am not
joking. I would switch to it in a heart beat, if it worked everywhere.
This brings us right back round to the point. A web browser is only
good, if you can brown the WHOLE web without having to think about the
browser. I know that a lot of the problems are due to bad web pages
but these pages survive because FF can use them and then are thus
standard.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From grey at dmiyu.org  Thu Nov  6 08:04:12 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:04:12 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>

Knapp wrote:
> OK, but that still misses the point. If I use FF, I don't need to go
> to some special URL for dumb browsers.

    On the other hand the stranglehold that IE had on the web is slacking
precisely because of adherence to standards not of the de facto Microsoft
kind.  So there is something to be said to sticking to one's guns.

> You know what is a really great browser is Dillo 2!!!! Wow, boots in
> like a 0.1 seconds, renders pages in an eye blink. If it could just
> run, all the codecs, java and javascript it would be really good!

    I wonder if it did all that if it would still boot in like 0.1 seconds and
render pages in an eye blink.  Fast, comprehensive, widespread... pick two...
to paraphrase a saying.  ;)

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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 08:34:01 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:34:01 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>
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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org> wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>> OK, but that still misses the point. If I use FF, I don't need to go
>> to some special URL for dumb browsers.
>
>    On the other hand the stranglehold that IE had on the web is slacking
> precisely because of adherence to standards not of the de facto Microsoft
> kind.  So there is something to be said to sticking to one's guns.

Yes agreed, but there is a problem if your guns are to small! :-)
Does konq have the power to motivate change in the web writers?

>> You know what is a really great browser is Dillo 2!!!! Wow, boots in
>> like a 0.1 seconds, renders pages in an eye blink. If it could just
>> run, all the codecs, java and javascript it would be really good!
>
>    I wonder if it did all that if it would still boot in like 0.1 seconds and
> render pages in an eye blink.  Fast, comprehensive, widespread... pick two...
> to paraphrase a saying.  ;)

I would LOVE to know the answer to that. If the speed could be kept,
then we should really push for it to happen. I know Dillo is badly in
need of developers. I would give them a hand but don't have the skills
it would take to make a fast javascript for them.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From grey at dmiyu.org  Thu Nov  6 08:45:42 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:45:42 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811060034g4011697dg7f84036a5cc3a988@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>
	<f495db580811060034g4011697dg7f84036a5cc3a988@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4912AEB6.7050909@dmiyu.org>

Knapp wrote:
> Yes agreed, but there is a problem if your guns are to small! :-)
> Does konq have the power to motivate change in the web writers?

    Maybe.  Opera's done a lot of changing in that regard and it's market
share rarely topped a single digit percentage point.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov  6 11:11:09 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:11:09 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2405691.tSEgRNS4GX@cedar.serverforest.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> 2008/11/5 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>> Not to mention an attitude change from the developers who refuse to do
>> something wrong, just because everybody else does it.  If a web page
>> displays in FF and IE, then it has to display equally well in Konqueror,
>> whether or not it complies with standards.
> 
> Could you post some example websites?
> 
Honestly, I can't - all I can say is that I usually have a Firefox browser
open for those pages that didn't display properly in Konqueror.  It's not a
problem with any of the pages I use _often_ - because I prefer Konqueror so
much that I won't go to pages I know won't work in Konqueror.

The only pages I can cite off the top of my head are the flash players at
http://www.bridgebase.com/client/client_v20/bbo.php and
http://www.cbc.ca/radio2/channels/popup.html, and I expect those are more
because Konqueror development has not (or possibly even _had not_ when I
bookmarked them) caught up to that version of flash than any conscious
refusal to support them.
-- 
derek




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 11:22:46 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:22:46 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811060322q7080ec93n16bb1842ddbed709@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org> wrote:
>    On the other hand the stranglehold that IE had on the web is slacking
> precisely because of adherence to standards not of the de facto Microsoft
> kind.  So there is something to be said to sticking to one's guns.

You think the non-tech public chooses firefox over IE because of
adherence to standards?  You think they care?


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 12:20:54 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:20:54 +0200
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W18B77B6873B82883DDF4A7CD1E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811051456v6763fd8dy67cafb05bbc32050@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W18B77B6873B82883DDF4A7CD1E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <880dece00811060420v27bcd1abs81a6dfff4af2fb42@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/6 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
> I have read the link but dont know how to write a script?
>

Maybe these guys could help: http://unix.com

There are other solutions now posted on the Debian list, such as
gkrellm, pppstatus, and pppcost.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 12:33:29 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:33:29 +0300
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4912E419.5080702@gmail.com>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> I would like to try some KDE4 development - apps and plasmoids. However 
> KDevelop seems somewhat lacking on direct KDE4 support - no wizards etc. Or 
> have I missed the right packages for installation? Could anyone point me in 
> the right direction?
>
>
>   
http://kde.org/getinvolved/development/
welcome!



From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 13:11:50 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:11:50 +0700
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811060322q7080ec93n16bb1842ddbed709@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You think the non-tech public chooses firefox over IE because of
> adherence to standards?  You think they care?
>
A fair few of my Window using friends who really are non-tech do use
Firefox over IE because they get less virus infestation that way.

Bob
--
In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Thu Nov  6 14:10:35 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:10:35 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811060322q7080ec93n16bb1842ddbed709@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>
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Art Alexion wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org> wrote:
>   
>>    On the other hand the stranglehold that IE had on the web is slacking
>> precisely because of adherence to standards not of the de facto Microsoft
>> kind.  So there is something to be said to sticking to one's guns.
>>     
>
> You think the non-tech public chooses firefox over IE because of
> adherence to standards?  You think they care?
>
>
>   

I can't speak for anyone but myself but when I made the switch to 
Firefox back when it first came out was IE's known security issues. As 
time, and distros, have come and gone I've stuck with it because I like it.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net  Thu Nov  6 14:19:04 2008
From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:19:04 -0800
Subject: Launchpad Bug 294167 Filed--Menu selection causes program crash
Message-ID: <200811060619.05200.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>

I dont know if anyone has experienced this bug or not, on my fresh install of 
Kubuntu 8.10, I have a number of programs (Gnome-based I think) that are 
crashing when I select any menu item (such as "File").  So far Eclipse, 
Bluefish, and GPHPedit are affected.  Not sure what to make of it--something to 
do with  KDE Xorg interaction maybe?

This bug may be important, so I decided to post a quick summary here.  Can 
anyone confirm?  Also I see a boatload of KDE packages to update in Adept, so I 
will do that tonight (Pacific Coast time) and report back.

Larry



From grey at dmiyu.org  Thu Nov  6 14:30:26 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:30:26 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811060322q7080ec93n16bb1842ddbed709@mail.gmail.com>
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Art Alexion wrote:
> You think the non-tech public chooses firefox over IE because of
> adherence to standards?  You think they care?

    Consciously?  No.  Do the reasons they give stem from that adherence to
standards?  Yes.

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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  6 16:50:40 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:50:40 -0500
Subject: Laptop email sending problem
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John Hubbard wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I am also having intermittent problems turning the computer on.  
>> Sometimes when I shut down, I come back to a laptop that doesn't turn 
>> back on.  
>>     
> If you have powered off (not suspended) and you can't power back on then 
> it is a hardware problem If you can power on but not boot then we might 
> be able to help. If you are suspending but can't resume then there might 
> be help.
>   
The button I have been using to turn my computer off is a hibernate 
button.  I just found this out.  My laptop is a Compaq Evo N620c.  The  
hibernate button is at the top of the keyboard on the left side near the 
screen bottom.  

Apparently the On/Off button is a slide left to right feature on the 
upper right portion of the keyboard.  When I purchased the computer it 
did not have instructions and I assumed the button (upper left) was the 
on off button because it worked.  Anyway it is that button I have been 
using to turn on and off the computer.  It has stopped working 
completely now.
>> Periodically I attempt to turn it on, hoping that it will 
>> reconnect, and eventually it does.  
>>     
> 'It' the laptop or 'it' the network connection?
>   
>> Many times it starts without a 
>> problem several times before that symptom returns; 
>>     
The Laptop
> Are you talking about powering on the laptop, booting the laptop, or 
> starting the network?
>   
I am talking about powering on the laptop.
>> I have not been able 
>> to find a solution to that problem either.  Do you think an electrical 
>> short may be the cause and may have an effect when attempting to send?
>>     
> Hardware problems could cause anything but the fact that is only 
> affecting a mail send makes it unlikely. It really sounds more like a 
> configuration/settings issue. You are sending packets to request the 
> incoming mail, so the machine can send packets.
>
>
>
>   
Dear John,

I was just reading through this email which I had saved to a special 
folder.  I don't believe I answered it and it seems to contain potential 
help.  I will reply to your questions above and hope you are still 
willing to help.

Thanks in any event.



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 17:45:00 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:45:00 +0200
Subject: Konqueror-only proxy?
Message-ID: <15edeae40811060945u292e2b92qe3cfb43d15aada4@mail.gmail.com>

hi, is there a way to let Konqueror use a proxy, but not the whole KDE
system? if i specify a proxy in konqueror's settings, i see this proxy
in systemsettings as well, and all kde apps would be using it. is
there anyway i let _only_ konqueror use the proxy?
the proxy is a caching program, that caused me some trouble with other
application, specially amarok, which isn't capable of fetching lyrics
anymore, unless i disale the use of this proxy.
using kubuntu intrepid, KDE 4.1.2, 32-bit
any help is appreciated

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Thu Nov  6 18:02:43 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:02:43 -0600
Subject: More on Krusader and launching files
In-Reply-To: <491260E3.80702@palain.com>
References: <491260E3.80702@palain.com>
Message-ID: <200811061202.43510.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Wednesday November 5 2008 09:13:39 pm Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
> I have now checked this on 3 different computers. All were upgraded from
> Hardy to Intrepid, and from KDE3 to KDE4. And all of them exhibit the
> same problem, that Krusader can no longer launch files. Given this, I
> think it is pretty clear that there is some kind of bug involved, though
> I cannot tell whether it is in Kubuntu or KDE4. I have files a bug
> report with Kubuntu for now.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL
> nadreck at palain.com      Linux User #333216
>
> "People call me feminist whenever I express sentiments that
> differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute." -- Rebecca West

Sorry, coming in late on this. I can confirm that I do NOT have this problem on 
the svn version. Is it throwing errors? Have you checked the file associations? 
When did this start happening? Directly after upgrading to 8.04? Have you apt-
get purge'd and reinstalled?

Sorry if you already answered these questions before.

-pete



From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov  6 18:48:23 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:48:23 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>
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Steve Lamb wrote:

> Knapp wrote:
>> OK, but that still misses the point. If I use FF, I don't need to go
>> to some special URL for dumb browsers.

I think you missed the point - NO browser application needs to ask what
browser I'm using.  You _test_ what the browser supports, rather than
relying on the browser telling you what it is, so the gmail problem is
_gmail's_, not Konqueror's.

>     On the other hand the stranglehold that IE had on the web is slacking
> precisely because of adherence to standards not of the de facto Microsoft
> kind.  So there is something to be said to sticking to one's guns.

I'm not entirely sure your hypothesis is provable.  I think I could say with
as much authority that Firefox and others have broken the stranglehold IE
had on the browser market because they provided features (like tabs) that
users wanted.  When IE6 was released - without tabs - at a press conference
somebody asked why it didn't have tabs, and the response was that their
customers didn't want them.  Funny how IE7 has tabs...

>> You know what is a really great browser is Dillo 2!!!! Wow, boots in
>> like a 0.1 seconds, renders pages in an eye blink. If it could just
>> run, all the codecs, java and javascript it would be really good!
> 
>     I wonder if it did all that if it would still boot in like 0.1 seconds
>     and
> render pages in an eye blink.  Fast, comprehensive, widespread... pick
> two... to paraphrase a saying.  ;)

Agreed.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov  6 18:56:11 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:56:11 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811051358.40589.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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Art Alexion wrote:

> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 2:14:34 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
>> > On Wednesday 05 November 2008 1:34:32 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> >> Could you post some example websites?
>> >
>> > http://www.pnc.com/
>> >
>> > Now that is a really important web site to me, because I do my banking
>> > with it, but the problems occur /after/ I log in (when Konqueror allows
>> > me to log in).
>>
>> I would appreciate if you would be very specific, offlist if you want.
>> I cannot log in as I do not have an account there.
> 
> Its hard to show, because it is what isn't there, or doesn't happen.
> 
> Screen elements don't display, button clicks don't do anything.
 
almost specifically - anything that has a <a href="javascript:xxxxxxxxxxx">
seems to do nothing.

>> > Not only does it work in FF, but it also works on Safari on my iTouch.
> 
> Which is odd because I thought Safari was based on Konqueror's KHTML
> engine. I guess Apple has moved on from KHTML
 
Long ago.  They call it WebKit, and there was talk of porting back - and
making Konqueror use WebKit.  Unfortunately, that seems to have been all it
was. 

> Frankly, the only time I use Konqueror as a web browser is when it is
> opened by a link in another kde app.

I still think that on the whole it's way better than Firefox, and _always_
use Konqueror, unless it doesn't work.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov  6 19:08:11 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:08:11 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<15edeae40811051156y2a75161bi99e7eff0ba2ffc38@mail.gmail.com>
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Willy Hamra wrote:

> 2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
>> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 3:34:29 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>> Konqueror is respected as a very
>>> good web browser, even if it is not a very usable web browser.
>>
>> What a bizarre statement!
>>
>> What is good about it if it isn't usable?  The color of its icons?
>>
> 
> no, it's respect for standards, make it a respectable browser!
 
Not to mention the speed and accuracy with which it does it.

I suppose you have a good point that _some_ browser has to be
standards-compliant to a fault, or we can't ensure that our websites are
standards compliant, but really it's not a browser-developer's job to
ensure that as much as it is a page-writer's job.  

I don't write pages that check for specific browsers - because that's too
much trouble - and I don't write pages that only work on IE, because that's
bad business.  So I use toolkits that are browser-neutral - and to make
sure that _they_ don't just check for specific user agents, I test with
something like konqueror.  But I'd really prefer to be able to test with a
pure _test_ browser, and have a konqueror that worked.  Sort of like
running either IE or Firefox in "Standards-compliant" mode (what a laugh!).
-- 
derek




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 19:28:12 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:28:12 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811060511n75d07225ja2f5c29668a4e65e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<5a1f6bd00811060322q7080ec93n16bb1842ddbed709@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thursday 06 November 2008 8:11:50 am Robert Parker wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
> > You think the non-tech public chooses firefox over IE because of
> > adherence to standards?  You think they care?
>
> A fair few of my Window using friends who really are non-tech do use
> Firefox over IE because they get less virus infestation that way

Right, they are thinking of security and extensibility, not standards.
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 19:35:48 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:35:48 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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On Thursday 06 November 2008 9:10:35 am Billie Walsh wrote:
> I can't speak for anyone but myself but when I made the switch to
> Firefox back when it first came out was IE's known security issues. As
> time, and distros, have come and gone I've stuck with it because I like it.

Likewise, I started using it when it was called Netscape 0.9 for Windows 3.11, 
and it has been my browser of choice ever since.  I can't say the same for 
Mozilla Mail/Thunderbird.
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 19:46:16 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:46:16 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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On Wednesday 05 November 2008 1:34:32 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/5 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> > Not to mention an attitude change from the developers who refuse to do
> > something wrong, just because everybody else does it.  If a web page
> > displays in FF and IE, then it has to display equally well in Konqueror,
> > whether or not it complies with standards.
>
> Could you post some example websites?

I just lent a friend a Kubuntu laptop.  When I set him up as a user, I never 
logged on as him so I forgot to create a memu or desktop icon for firefox (I 
installed in /opt rather than the repos because I didn't want to install the 
repos gnome dependencies.)

So naturally, he clicked Konqueror (which Kubuntu calls "Konqueror Web 
Browser").  I get a paniced call from him that he can't do anything in 
Hotmail.  It displays, but when he clicks on stuff, nothing happens.

After testing Hotmail in Firefox and determining that it works fine, I 
realized he was using Konqueror.  So I walked him through starting Firefox 
via Alt+ F2, and all was well again.

You may say, "Hotmail is evil and ignores standards." 

"So what," I reply, "are you saying former Windows users with established 
Hotmail accounts aren't welcome to KDE?"

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From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 19:48:33 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:48:33 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
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References: <BLU143-W455DA42D940BBA55C18FECCD200@phx.gbl>
	<880dece00811051456v6763fd8dy67cafb05bbc32050@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W18B77B6873B82883DDF4A7CD1E0@phx.gbl> 
	<880dece00811060420v27bcd1abs81a6dfff4af2fb42@mail.gmail.com>
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Dotan,
I am in I.E6 sending my hotmail, in response to calling to list which I am doing, I am trying
to read the linux list but AAh? also what is the word on the pwvdial.tar.gz app that I downloade
to my destop, that U advised how to install but couldnt, as I sent you the printout?????
 
ray> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:20:54 +0200> From: dotancohen at gmail.com> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: re Kubuntu apps like time-up> > 2008/11/6 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:> > I have read the link but dont know how to write a script?> >> > Maybe these guys could help: http://unix.com> > There are other solutions now posted on the Debian list, such as> gkrellm, pppstatus, and pppcost.> > -- > Dotan Cohen> > http://what-is-what.com> http://gibberish.co.il> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת> > ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü> -- > kubuntu-users mailing list> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 19:51:29 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:51:29 +1100
Subject: re Kubuntu apps like time-up
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 19:57:54 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:57:54 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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On Thursday 06 November 2008 2:08:11 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
> but really it's not a browser-developer's job to
> ensure that as much as it is a page-writer's job. 

We'll that may be an ideal assessment of the situation, but it fails the 
practicality test.  A computer is a tool box of sorts, and its browser is one 
of its tools.  I want a tool that allows me to use it on as many projects as 
I encounter.

To use the screwdriver metaphor we were discussing, I have one of those great 
screwdrivers where I can reverse the shaft for big bits or smaller bits.  
Each bit can be reversed for flat head or phillips.  A great tool.

I don't want to be limited to a Phillips, only because flathead screws are 
archaic or don't comply with standards, because I am going to encounter 
flathead screws anyway, and I want a tool that will enable me to drive them.

If only every web developer cared about standards and wrote for them.  But 
they don't, and just because they are poor web developers doesn't mean I am 
not interested in the content of their pages.


> 
>
> I don't write pages that check for specific browsers - because that's too
> much trouble - and I don't write pages that only work on IE, because that's
> bad business.  So I use toolkits that are browser-neutral - and to make
> sure that _they_ don't just check for specific user agents, I test with
> something like konqueror.  But I'd really prefer to be able to test with a
> pure _test_ browser, and have a konqueror that worked.  Sort of like
> running either IE or Firefox in "Standards-compliant" mode (what a laugh!).

Well this is a good practice, unfortunately followed in decreasing frequency.  
And finally someone points out that limiting pages to specific browsers is 
bad for business.

But surely, you aren't suggesting that Konqueror is purely a test bed browser?



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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 20:01:31 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:01:31 +0100
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
>
>> Knapp wrote:
>>> OK, but that still misses the point. If I use FF, I don't need to go
>>> to some special URL for dumb browsers.
>
> I think you missed the point - NO browser application needs to ask what
> browser I'm using.  You _test_ what the browser supports, rather than
> relying on the browser telling you what it is, so the gmail problem is
> _gmail's_, not Konqueror's.
>
> derek

Yes, I think you are right. I still don't know what your point is.
What is it? I never said gmail was well written, I am just saying that
it does not work as well as when I use FF thus I DO use FF because it
works everywhere. I would love to use Konq instead. If it comes down
to using something other than FF, I use Dillo 2 because it boots
faster and renders faster than I can blink, why wait for konq? The
only time I use konq is when I am browsing in my file system and want
to look at HTML or want some quick answer from a site that I know
works like google or wikipedia or some programming libs site that uses
nothing fancy.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov  6 20:09:07 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:09:07 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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Art Alexion wrote:

> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 1:34:32 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 2008/11/5 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>> > Not to mention an attitude change from the developers who refuse to do
>> > something wrong, just because everybody else does it.  If a web page
>> > displays in FF and IE, then it has to display equally well in
>> > Konqueror, whether or not it complies with standards.
>>
>> Could you post some example websites?
> 
> I just lent a friend a Kubuntu laptop.  When I set him up as a user, I
> never logged on as him so I forgot to create a memu or desktop icon for
> firefox (I installed in /opt rather than the repos because I didn't want
> to install the repos gnome dependencies.)
> 
> So naturally, he clicked Konqueror (which Kubuntu calls "Konqueror Web
> Browser").  I get a paniced call from him that he can't do anything in
> Hotmail.  It displays, but when he clicks on stuff, nothing happens.
> 
> After testing Hotmail in Firefox and determining that it works fine, I
> realized he was using Konqueror.  So I walked him through starting Firefox
> via Alt+ F2, and all was well again.
> 
> You may say, "Hotmail is evil and ignores standards."
> 
> "So what," I reply, "are you saying former Windows users with established
> Hotmail accounts aren't welcome to KDE?"

Right.  That site!  I completely forgot that my wife's primary browser is
Firefox because I can't get her to drop hotmail, and I couldn't make it
work in Konqueror.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov  6 20:20:04 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:20:04 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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Art Alexion wrote:

> On Thursday 06 November 2008 2:08:11 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
>> but really it's not a browser-developer's job to
>> ensure that as much as it is a page-writer's job.
> 
> We'll that may be an ideal assessment of the situation, but it fails the
> practicality test.  A computer is a tool box of sorts, and its browser is
> one
> of its tools.  I want a tool that allows me to use it on as many projects
> as I encounter.

True - but it's (I hate to use this after the argument's with Emanoil
but...) "stupid" programming to either make it work on only one browser, or
to write user-agent checks.  The first costs me (or my client) business,
and the second makes _me_ do more work.  Much simpler to just write code
that works in (almost) all browsers the first time.

> If only every web developer cared about standards and wrote for them.  But
> they don't, and just because they are poor web developers doesn't mean I
> am not interested in the content of their pages.

Well _that's_ certainly true.   I've come across some very important pages
written _very_ badly :-) 

>> I don't write pages that check for specific browsers - because that's too
>> much trouble - and I don't write pages that only work on IE, because
>> that's bad business.  So I use toolkits that are browser-neutral - and to
>> make sure that _they_ don't just check for specific user agents, I test
>> with something like konqueror.  But I'd really prefer to be able to test
>> with a pure _test_ browser, and have a konqueror that worked.  Sort of
>> like running either IE or Firefox in "Standards-compliant" mode (what a
>> laugh!).
> 
> Well this is a good practice, unfortunately followed in decreasing
> frequency. 

I assume you mean the test-bed browser business.  Using browser-neutral
toolkits, like prototype.js, is getting more common.  There's no excuse not
to.

> And finally someone points out that limiting pages to specific 
> browsers is bad for business.

Well, Dotan's comment about changing banks because he couldn't do his
banking via konqueror at least implicitly points out it's bad for business. 
I beta-tested my bank's first attempt at web banking.  Actually it was
pretty good, fortunately, because it turned out they really weren't
interested in hearing from me...

> But surely, you aren't suggesting that Konqueror is purely a test bed
> browser?

Not at all.  That's the problem.  I use Konqueror for everything, so I'm
more disappointed than many when I encounter pages it won't render.  I
don't even care if it renders badly written pages badly - it's the not
rendering them, or worse not responding to actions in them, that bug me. 
I'd love to be able to tell it to do it's best, _or_ to be strictly
compliant - preferably on a page or site basis.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov  6 20:29:11 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:29:11 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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Knapp wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>
> wrote:
>> Steve Lamb wrote:
>>
>>> Knapp wrote:
>>>> OK, but that still misses the point. If I use FF, I don't need to go
>>>> to some special URL for dumb browsers.
>>
>> I think you missed the point - NO browser application needs to ask what
>> browser I'm using.  You _test_ what the browser supports, rather than
>> relying on the browser telling you what it is, so the gmail problem is
>> _gmail's_, not Konqueror's.
> 
> Yes, I think you are right. I still don't know what your point is.
> What is it? 

Well, the point is that it's not only something that you can't blame
konqueror for, it's not something that even the best written software could
ever cope with (unless, by default, it simply claimed to be IE or Firefox). 
As long as browser pages check what you're running the only way you'll ever
get them to work is to pretend you're running something else.
-- 
derek




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 20:43:53 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:43:53 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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On Thursday 06 November 2008 3:20:04 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
> > And finally someone points out that limiting pages to specific
> > browsers is bad for business.
>
> Well, Dotan's comment about changing banks because he couldn't do his
> banking via konqueror at least implicitly points out it's bad for business.
> I beta-tested my bank's first attempt at web banking.  Actually it was
> pretty good, fortunately, because it turned out they really weren't
> interested in hearing from me...

I'm sure this is not limited to US banks, but its not just the online banking 
features that vary from bank to bank.  These days, solvency is an issue.  On 
top of that the quality of overall customer service varies greatly.  Add to 
that that some people and businesses do their depositing with a particular 
bank that also provides their credit lines...  well it isn't that trivial to 
just switch banks because of the online stuff.

I remember when my then 3 or 4 year old daughter while riding in her stroller 
asked her mother to move the sun because it was in her eyes.  

When we can't move the sun, perhaps we should consider a browser with a canopy 
or sunglasses.
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From ardchoille42 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 21:07:07 2008
From: ardchoille42 at gmail.com (Ian MacGregor)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:07:07 -0800
Subject: Is this possible?
Message-ID: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>

I'm retired and spend my free time helping other folks switch to Linux - I 
hold classes in my area to accomplish this. I usually offer a number of Linux 
distros with Kubuntu and Ubuntu being the top two.

I have been using Kubuntu for a while. I spent a half an hour installing 
Kubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid) on my main machine and it usually takes me another 
twenty minutes to get up and running. Yesterday I spent two hours attempting 
to fix numerous bugs - I found over 20 bugs. 

Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10. Fork it, create a whole 
new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to use KDE4* and I'll 
bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of feces I've ever seen in 
the software world. This is a classic example of "trying to look pretty and 
sacrificing productivity in the process". At the very least, get rid of 
plasma. If KDE4 were the only desktop environment available in Linux, I would 
be switching to Microsoft Windows today - yes, KDE4 is _that_ bad. Luckily, 
there are other desktops.. so today, instead of wasting my time fixing the 
problems in Intrepid, I'm going to switch over to Ubuntu.

I'm not going to waste my time filing bug reports because KDE4 isn't worth 
fixing. Sadly, I will no longer be able to offer Kubuntu as an option to the 
folks in my classes.

Kubuntu has been awesome and intrepid could be awesome too but you're letting 
the kde project kill what once was one of the two the best distro's on the 
planet - today I'll be switching over to the other one.

If it were the mission of the KDE project to force their users over to other 
DE's and WM's by turning their once beautiful and stable desktop environment 
into total garbage, then I applaud the KDE devs for accomplishing their 
mission.

Regards,
Ian MacGregor



From cherryfinals at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 21:21:16 2008
From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:21:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <801194.60218.qm@web58008.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I'm fortunate in that I have a 'goat' machine that I can play with. Over the last week, I've tried to install, configure and use 8.10 and KDE4 on three occasions. 

Each time, it took more than two hours to get it setup and talking on my network. Twice the updates crashed and forced me to multiple reboots and command-line repairs to get it going again. 

The one time it did install and finish updates, I found that a lot of things that used to work by default were no longer there. And don't get me started on that abortion that is Dolphin.

Yesterday, I finally gave up in disgust and reinstalled 8.04 with KDE3.x.

The entire process from boot to usable machine, including all updates took less than an hour and a half. That system is once more in production and works perfectly.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Ian that if Kubuntu wishes to remain the desktop/newbie leader, they need to either dump KDE4 or fix ALL the problems to restore usability within the next 60 days. 

As it stands now, I'm no longer recommending Kubuntu to my user base.

Stan

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt


--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ian MacGregor <ardchoille42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Ian MacGregor <ardchoille42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Is this possible?
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 4:07 PM
> I'm retired and spend my free time helping other folks
> switch to Linux - I 
> hold classes in my area to accomplish this. I usually offer
> a number of Linux 
> distros with Kubuntu and Ubuntu being the top two.
> 
> I have been using Kubuntu for a while. I spent a half an
> hour installing 
> Kubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid) on my main machine and it usually
> takes me another 
> twenty minutes to get up and running. Yesterday I spent two
> hours attempting 
> to fix numerous bugs - I found over 20 bugs. 
> 
> Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10.
> Fork it, create a whole 
> new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to
> use KDE4* and I'll 
> bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of
> feces I've ever seen in 
> the software world. This is a classic example of
> "trying to look pretty and 
> sacrificing productivity in the process". At the very
> least, get rid of 
> plasma. If KDE4 were the only desktop environment available
> in Linux, I would 
> be switching to Microsoft Windows today - yes, KDE4 is
> _that_ bad. Luckily, 
> there are other desktops.. so today, instead of wasting my
> time fixing the 
> problems in Intrepid, I'm going to switch over to
> Ubuntu.
> 
> I'm not going to waste my time filing bug reports
> because KDE4 isn't worth 
> fixing. Sadly, I will no longer be able to offer Kubuntu as
> an option to the 
> folks in my classes.
> 
> Kubuntu has been awesome and intrepid could be awesome too
> but you're letting 
> the kde project kill what once was one of the two the best
> distro's on the 
> planet - today I'll be switching over to the other one.
> 
> If it were the mission of the KDE project to force their
> users over to other 
> DE's and WM's by turning their once beautiful and
> stable desktop environment 
> into total garbage, then I applaud the KDE devs for
> accomplishing their 
> mission.
> 
> Regards,
> Ian MacGregor
> 
> -- 
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From d.mcglone at att.net  Thu Nov  6 21:29:24 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:29:24 -0500
Subject: Screen real estate with dolphin
Message-ID: <200811061629.24933.d.mcglone@att.net>

I remember somebody mentioned that they didn't like the fact that the bars are 
present on the left and right of dolphin and they felt it took away from the 
actual folder view.

Anyway, I was sitting here playing around with dolphin and if you left click 
on the small "X" at the top of both columns there is a submenu where you can 
remove the columns.

Just wanted to let everyone know.

-- 
David M.



From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com  Thu Nov  6 22:30:50 2008
From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (jerry Lapham)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:30:50 -0500
Subject: kmailrc
Message-ID: <200811061730.50204.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>

I'm trying to restore my kmail accounts and filters with a backup of kmailrc.  
When I copy it and then start kmail it just overwrites kmailrc and leaves me 
without accounts and filters.  How do I overcome that?  I'm running Kubuntu 
8.04 with KDE 3.5.9.

	-Jerry
-- 
=============================================
Jerry Lapham
Monroe, OH  45050
rjlapham at cinci.rr.com
=============================================
"It's a bitmap," said Tom graphically.



From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Thu Nov  6 23:04:04 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:04:04 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <801194.60218.qm@web58008.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <801194.60218.qm@web58008.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200811061804.04948.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

We are many it seems to do so.

Yesterday, for the first time, I installed one of my customers
with Ubuntu-8.10 instead of Kubuntu.

I will not recommend Kubuntu 8.10 to my customers, 
clients, friends, parents, ...

I give them the choice between 
Kubuntu-8.04.2 or Ubuntu-8.10

I maintain myself, around 20 to 30 friends/customers.

If the ball rolls....


-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From grey at dmiyu.org  Thu Nov  6 23:17:57 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:17:57 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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Derek Broughton wrote:
> I'm not entirely sure your hypothesis is provable.  I think I could say with
> as much authority that Firefox and others have broken the stranglehold IE
> had on the browser market because they provided features (like tabs) that
> users wanted. 

    The adherence to standards also means not putting in questionable
extension which cause security problems.  One of the main reasons people left
IE in droves were concerns over security.  Were they leaving because of the
adherence to standards?  No.  Was the adherence to standards part and parcel
with good security practices?  Yes.



From paul at lemmons.name  Thu Nov  6 23:29:01 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:29:01 -0700
Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <200811051112.35687.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com> <490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>
	<200811051112.35687.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl>
Message-ID: <49137DBD.1060901@lemmons.name>

-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
From: Peter Klaassen <peterklaassen at quicknet.nl>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 11/05/2008 03:12 AM
> Is there a way to level the volume for all your music files (mp3 and ogg)
>
>   
This is a wonderful question. Thank you for asking it!

I have found that there (should) exist a script for Amarok called 
ReplayGain and that this script should do exactly what you are asking.

There is a lengthy description here:

http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ReplayGain?content=26073

I was able to: apt-get install  flac  vorbisgain   mp3gain vorbis-tools
directly and I found a deb for the AACGain package here:

http://jopsen.dk/blog/2007/08/volume-normalization-with-amarok

I got to this point and felt that I only need enable the ReplayGain 
script in the Amarok script manager but much to my dismay it is not 
there! I was able to find all of the supporting programs but not the 
piece that ties them into Amarok.

Anybody know where it might be obtained?


-- 
Sometimes I wonder.  Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it.

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From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Fri Nov  7 00:12:48 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:12:48 -0400
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811061912.48353.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Thursday 06 November 2008, Ian MacGregor wrote:
> Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10. Fork it, create a
> whole new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to use KDE4*
> and I'll bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of feces I've
> ever seen in the software world. This is a classic example of "trying to
> look pretty and sacrificing productivity in the process".

You've got my vote.   I downloaded the beta and then the final release.  
Neither one is going to work for me.   I'll wait (a few years) for KDE to 
come back into usable status.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  7 00:30:47 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:30:47 -0500
Subject: Screen real estate with dolphin
In-Reply-To: <200811061629.24933.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811061629.24933.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <49138C37.7080805@sbcglobal.net>

David McGlone wrote:
> I remember somebody mentioned that they didn't like the fact that the bars are 
> present on the left and right of dolphin and they felt it took away from the 
> actual folder view.
>
> Anyway, I was sitting here playing around with dolphin and if you left click 
> on the small "X" at the top of both columns there is a submenu where you can 
> remove the columns.
>
> Just wanted to let everyone know.
>
>   
Thanks for your remark.  It made me look.  Although I did not find the 
small x you suggested, I did then look in the view menu and found left 
and right sidebars.  You can remove a column by un-checking one of them, 
however, it does not remember that process.  It appears that you have to 
do that each time you want it removed rather than having it stay a 
default.  It would be nice if it way stay the way you set it until you 
changed it again as your choice.  I could lose the right sidebar 
forever.  I use the left though.  Strange!  I just returned to Dolphin 
to see my version and the right sidebar was no longer there, so I guess 
the un-check stayed un-checked.  My version of Dolphin is 0.9.2 (Using 
KDE 3.5.10).  Hope this info is useful.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  7 00:38:38 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:38:38 -0500
Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <49137DBD.1060901@lemmons.name>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>
	<490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>	<200811051112.35687.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl>
	<49137DBD.1060901@lemmons.name>
Message-ID: <49138E0E.9080005@sbcglobal.net>

Paul Lemmons wrote:
> -------- Original Message  --------
> Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
> From: Peter Klaassen <peterklaassen at quicknet.nl>
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: 11/05/2008 03:12 AM
>> Is there a way to level the volume for all your music files (mp3 and 
>> ogg)
>>
>>   
> This is a wonderful question. Thank you for asking it!
>
> I have found that there (should) exist a script for Amarok called 
> ReplayGain and that this script should do exactly what you are asking.
>
> There is a lengthy description here:
>
> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ReplayGain?content=26073
>
> I was able to: apt-get install  flac  vorbisgain   mp3gain vorbis-tools
> directly and I found a deb for the AACGain package here:
>
> http://jopsen.dk/blog/2007/08/volume-normalization-with-amarok
>
> I got to this point and felt that I only need enable the ReplayGain 
> script in the Amarok script manager but much to my dismay it is not 
> there! I was able to find all of the supporting programs but not the 
> piece that ties them into Amarok.
>
> Anybody know where it might be obtained?
>
>
In reply to your wonder about the mustard seed, I think look up in awe.  
That puts you in the right position with the Creator.  The other way 
seems to exalt the viewer instead of the Creator.  I can't believe I 
answered that.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  7 00:43:52 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:43:52 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811061912.48353.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811061912.48353.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <49138F48.1030208@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Thursday 06 November 2008, Ian MacGregor wrote:
>   
>> Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10. Fork it, create a
>> whole new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to use KDE4*
>> and I'll bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of feces I've
>> ever seen in the software world. This is a classic example of "trying to
>> look pretty and sacrificing productivity in the process".
>>     
>
> You've got my vote.   I downloaded the beta and then the final release.  
> Neither one is going to work for me.   I'll wait (a few years) for KDE to 
> come back into usable status.
>
>   
I haven't really thought about the issue, but I did remove 3.4 quite a 
while ago while still in 3.5.9 deciding to wait a bit.  Finally I moved 
to 3.5.10, but like you, I don't want to use 3.4 either.  Before I will 
accept 3.4, I will change to another product altogether.  I hate to 
complain, because I am so grateful for the free system we enjoy, but 
given choices, even when free, you take the better choice, don't you.  I 
feel for the 3.4 creators; they are doing their best to improve.  I wish 
I could understand their reason for making the changes they made, 
perhaps I could find the utility too.



From d.mcglone at att.net  Fri Nov  7 00:51:21 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:51:21 -0500
Subject: Screen real estate with dolphin
In-Reply-To: <49138C37.7080805@sbcglobal.net>
References: <200811061629.24933.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<49138C37.7080805@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811061951.22095.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Thursday 06 November 2008 7:30:47 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> David McGlone wrote:
> > I remember somebody mentioned that they didn't like the fact that the
> > bars are present on the left and right of dolphin and they felt it took
> > away from the actual folder view.
> >
> > Anyway, I was sitting here playing around with dolphin and if you left
> > click on the small "X" at the top of both columns there is a submenu
> > where you can remove the columns.
> >
> > Just wanted to let everyone know.
>
> Thanks for your remark.  It made me look.  Although I did not find the
> small x you suggested, I did then look in the view menu and found left
> and right sidebars.  You can remove a column by un-checking one of them,
> however, it does not remember that process.  It appears that you have to
> do that each time you want it removed rather than having it stay a
> default.  It would be nice if it way stay the way you set it until you
> changed it again as your choice.  I could lose the right sidebar
> forever.  I use the left though.  Strange!  I just returned to Dolphin
> to see my version and the right sidebar was no longer there, so I guess
> the un-check stayed un-checked.  My version of Dolphin is 0.9.2 (Using
> KDE 3.5.10).  Hope this info is useful.

I'm using kde 4.0.3 with dolphin 1.0.2. I did notice dolphin on my kde 3.5.10 
didn't have the little X either. Also I haven't had a problem with removing 
the columns and them re-appearing after I closed dolphin.

-- 
David M.



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 01:16:16 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:16:16 +1000
Subject: Is this possible?
Message-ID: <491396e0.1aec.b60ffb90.436b067c@blackpaw.dyndns.org>



--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: Is this possible?
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com
To: Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com>
Date: 07/11/2008  1:14 AM

       
 Not my vote, I'm finding the 8.10 release excellent.


--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: Is this possible?
From: Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com>
To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Date: 07/11/2008 12:17 AM

On Thursday 06 November 2008, Ian MacGregor wrote:
> Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10. Fork it, create a
> whole new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to use KDE4*
> and I'll bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of feces I've
> ever seen in the software world. This is a classic example of "trying to
> look pretty and sacrificing productivity in the process".

You've got my vote.   I downloaded the beta and then the final release.  Neither one is going to work for me.   I'll wait (a few years) for KDE to come back into usable status.

-- kubuntu-users mailing list
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From cary at bielenberg.id.au  Fri Nov  7 01:44:16 2008
From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:44:16 +1000
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <49138F48.1030208@sbcglobal.net>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>	<200811061912.48353.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<49138F48.1030208@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49139D70.6050109@bielenberg.id.au>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>   
>> On Thursday 06 November 2008, Ian MacGregor wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10. Fork it, create a
>>> whole new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to use KDE4*
>>> and I'll bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of feces I've
>>> ever seen in the software world. This is a classic example of "trying to
>>> look pretty and sacrificing productivity in the process".
>>>     
>>>       
>> You've got my vote.   I downloaded the beta and then the final release.  
>> Neither one is going to work for me.   I'll wait (a few years) for KDE to 
>> come back into usable status.
>>
>>   
>>     
> I haven't really thought about the issue, but I did remove 3.4 quite a 
> while ago while still in 3.5.9 deciding to wait a bit.  Finally I moved 
> to 3.5.10, but like you, I don't want to use 3.4 either.  Before I will 
> accept 3.4, I will change to another product altogether.  I hate to 
> complain, because I am so grateful for the free system we enjoy, but 
> given choices, even when free, you take the better choice, don't you.  I 
> feel for the 3.4 creators; they are doing their best to improve.  I wish 
> I could understand their reason for making the changes they made, 
> perhaps I could find the utility too.
>
>   
I use Kubuntu for personal use (and thoroughly enjoy it) but would love 
to use it for work! Because I need Outlook & couple of Microsoft apps I 
tried crossover for Office 2003, that was absolutely useless. I tried to 
install virtualbox but I would rather walk over hot coals than spend 
another day trying to get bridged networking going. I too will wait 
until we get our act together & release a enterprise ready version.


Cary



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From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov  7 01:58:41 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:58:41 -0400
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811061458.00039.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<4097248.831KF4i9eM@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811061543.58253.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17792875.D0X1L3Qdb3@cedar.serverforest.com>

Art Alexion wrote:

> On Thursday 06 November 2008 3:20:04 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
>> > And finally someone points out that limiting pages to specific
>> > browsers is bad for business.
>>
>> Well, Dotan's comment about changing banks because he couldn't do his
>> banking via konqueror at least implicitly points out it's bad for
>> business. I beta-tested my bank's first attempt at web banking.  Actually
>> it was pretty good, fortunately, because it turned out they really
>> weren't interested in hearing from me...
> 
> I'm sure this is not limited to US banks, 

Obviously not - Mine's canadian :-)

> but its not just the online 
> banking features that vary from bank to bank.  
> These days, solvency is an issue.  

Actually not here - which is why it burns me that our dollar keeps falling
against the US$.  America has a financial crisis, caused by a complete lack
of regulation, and WE (with a responsible financial system) pay for it! 
(And it's not just Canada - practically everybody except Japan is seeing
the same thing).
-- 
derek




From grey at dmiyu.org  Fri Nov  7 02:09:09 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:09:09 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <17792875.D0X1L3Qdb3@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<200811061458.00039.art.alexion@gmail.com>	<4097248.831KF4i9eM@cedar.serverforest.com>	<200811061543.58253.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<17792875.D0X1L3Qdb3@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <4913A345.8070008@dmiyu.org>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Actually not here - which is why it burns me that our dollar keeps falling
> against the US$.  America has a financial crisis, caused by a complete lack
> of regulation, and WE (with a responsible financial system) pay for it! 

    Please don't star that here.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From d.mcglone at att.net  Fri Nov  7 02:30:15 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:30:15 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
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References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<17792875.D0X1L3Qdb3@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4913A345.8070008@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811062130.15667.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Thursday 06 November 2008 9:09:09 pm Steve Lamb wrote:
> Derek Broughton wrote:
> > Actually not here - which is why it burns me that our dollar keeps
> > falling against the US$.  America has a financial crisis, caused by a
> > complete lack of regulation, and WE (with a responsible financial system)
> > pay for it!
>
>     Please don't star that here.

I'm actually interested to hear what he means by this. Please enlighten me.

and this is not a snide question, I'm actually interested in hearing your 
view. You can even e-mail me personally if you feel it should be off list. I 
ask out of lack of understanding, not to start a debate or discussion.

-- 
David M.



From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net  Fri Nov  7 05:01:10 2008
From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:01:10 -0800
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <491396e0.1aec.b60ffb90.436b067c@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
References: <491396e0.1aec.b60ffb90.436b067c@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <200811062101.10721.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>

I agree that KDE 4 needs some work, but after all the multiple warnings  I 
have read prior to 8.10 release, KDE 4 needing work was not a major surprise.  
I was well-prepared for regressions and idiosyncrasies.  I will not blame KDE 
or Kubuntu for my failure to heed warnings and sound advice.

I can live with a certain amount of uncertainty on my machine, so I took the 
chance with the upgrade.  My wife can not, that is why I did not upgrade her 
from 8.04.  8.04 has another 12 months of service life...if as my wife you 
need that "rock solid" dependability--why not continue with 8.04?

I do not support forking--not that I have any management authority in the 
Kubuntu project.  Two really excellent options are already available--8.04 
with KDE 3.5.10 and one more year of service life or Ubuntu 8.10 LTS.  Adding 
another option only serves to stretch limited human resources that are more 
needed elsewhere.

Some rough calculation suggests that KDE 4.3/4 should be released by Kubuntu 
9.10.  The software ought to be fairly well tuned by then.  As many folk have 
suggested, KDE 3.5.10 had the benefit of years in development.  When KDE 3 was 
first released it had its own problems.  While there are some glaring bugs in 
KDE 4, I have not found these show stoppers.  A couple of those glaring bugs 
were solved when KDE 4.1.3 was added to the repositories in the last 24 hours. 
I read somewhere today that a bug fix release is planned for KDE 4 on a monthly 
basis.  I suspect that as Kubuntu 9.04 approaches KDE 4 will be a bit 
smoother.

I remember the days of Kubuntu 6.06.  I worked three days to get the hardware 
set up--almost ditched the idea of Linux.  I was 99% unproductive.  Kubuntu 
8.10 does not have those major issues.  At least not for me.  My LAMP server 
is running, I am reading, writing, sending emails, opening/saving documents, 
generally getting my most important things done.  Still vastly better than 2.5 
years ago.

My plan is to wait for the KDE/Kubuntu community to move KDE 4 forward.  I 
think it will be a good show.  I want to be a part of the effort, even if it is 
only in some very small way.  We must exercise some patience during the 
transition.  There is lots of work for developers to do, but it is way too 
early to lose hope and call it an outright failure.

Larry



From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net  Fri Nov  7 05:02:43 2008
From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:02:43 -0800
Subject: Launchpad Bug 294167 Filed--Menu selection causes program crash
In-Reply-To: <200811060619.05200.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>
References: <200811060619.05200.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>
Message-ID: <200811062102.43622.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>

On Thursday 06 November 2008 06:19:04 am Larry Hartman wrote:
> I dont know if anyone has experienced this bug or not, on my fresh install
> of Kubuntu 8.10, I have a number of programs (Gnome-based I think) that are
> crashing when I select any menu item (such as "File").  So far Eclipse,
> Bluefish, and GPHPedit are affected.  Not sure what to make of
> it--something to do with  KDE Xorg interaction maybe?
>
> This bug may be important, so I decided to post a quick summary here.  Can
> anyone confirm?  Also I see a boatload of KDE packages to update in Adept,
> so I will do that tonight (Pacific Coast time) and report back.

The KDE 4.1.3 bug fix release did not resolve this problem.  Guess I will look 
into what kind of additional trouble shooting I can do to provide more info.

Larry



From almilis at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 06:52:53 2008
From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:52:53 +0700
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
Message-ID: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>

$ export GIVEUP

Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
that sometimes work and often don't?!

I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
and laypeople

sigh...

-- 
Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis
Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/
Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/



From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 07:02:32 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:02:32 -0600
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

On Thursday 06 November 2008 3:07:07 pm Ian MacGregor wrote:
> Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10. Fork it, create a
> whole new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to use KDE4*
> and I'll bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of feces I've
> ever seen in the software world. This is a classic example of "trying to
> look pretty and sacrificing productivity in the process". At the very
> least, get rid of plasma. If KDE4 were the only desktop environment
> available in Linux, I would be switching to Microsoft Windows today - yes,
> KDE4 is _that_ bad. Luckily, there are other desktops.. so today, instead
> of wasting my time fixing the problems in Intrepid, I'm going to switch
> over to Ubuntu.

I read this yesterday.  I was so angry I was about to put some of the most 
scathing vitriol I could put together in a reply.  Luckily, I've learned to 
let myself cool before responding to such things.

You see, I have no problem with "I don't like KDE4".  Calling it things like a 
"pile of feces" insults my taste and intelligence.  I hope you did not intend 
this.  If you did, let me know so I can tell you exactly what to do with that 
opinion.

I like KDE4.  I download every available update of the unstable tree.  It gets 
better and better.  It being unstable, every once in a while I come across an 
inconvenience, but there are ways around it and in general all I have to do is 
wait a few days and the next update will most likely work it out.  This is my 
home computer, I don't mind.  I have friends and acquaintances that I've 
introduced to Linux that get very excited when they see my desktop - I tell 
them to wait (a few didn't listen, but were warned about possible problems, so 
don't complain), but that it won't be long before they can start enjoying it 
safely, which is the truth whatever all you doomsayers may think.

Years ago, when I finally gave up on OS/2 (long after IBM sadly gave up on 
it), I jumped into Linux, skeptically, but wholeheartedly, because I certainly 
did not want to use Windows on a regular basis.  After playing around with 
different window managers, I settled on IceWM because it had OS/2 window 
decorations available.  I was learning and enjoying it (especially having been 
a DOS user, the power of BASH blew me away).  Then came Gnome.  People just 
like you and the others like you on this list loudly complained and threw 
temper tantrums, saying things like, "why emulate Windows"?  The good old 
fashioned window manager was good enough for Unix, it was good enough for 
them.  Screw the DE!  I tried it and appreciated the effort, but ultimately 
didn't care for GTK or the direction of the Gnome project.  Then came KDE.  
You guys reared your oh-so-pretty heads again and whined that this was even 
MORE like Windows and it used QT, which was proprietary for commercial use (a 
free-for-commercial-use alternative was not available at the time).  They 
complained that it was a big resource eater and would never get off the 
ground.  "Screw you," they said, "I'm going to stick to Gnome!"  (Notice the 
change.)  Then KDE2 came out.  It was buggy, it was released too soon, it used 
too many resources, KDE1 was much better, we're sticking to that, wah wah wah.  
KDE3 didn't cause quite as much commotion because it didn't *look* different 
to you people.  There was still some bellyaching about certain changes, but 
most didn't take notice.

And now comes KDE4 and here you are again.  A lot of you are new faces, but 
it's the same old story.  When I discovered I liked KDE1, I upgraded my KDE 
every time a new version came out, eager to explore the new changes.  This is 
true today.

Here's the crux: KDE has always tried to innovate.  Gnome, while they got some 
major bitching for changing their file manager a few years ago, changes at 
about the speed of dripping molasses.  If you don't like what KDE does, 
please, I beg you, go away.  Go to Gnome.  Or Windows if you think that'll 
show us good, by gum.  Or if you want to stick to Linux and don't like all 
this durn changin', why not try IceWM?  It's still solid and hasn't changed in 
over 10 years.  Hell, if that's too fast for you, there's still the old 
workhorse FVWM.  That hasn't changed since the dawn of time.  KDE goes for the 
big time and I like that it does so.  It's part of what's drawn me to it and 
kept me a loyal KDE user since version one.

I'm glad you're switching to Ubuntu.  But if you and all these others think it 
will make a dent in the KDE community, you're a little full of yourselves.  
People predicted the death of KDE ever since it began, with people swearing 
they were giving it up and never coming back and that's why it'll never make 
it.  You can see how that worked out.

And I'll always remember that it was people like you that drove Mosfet into 
hiding.  Admittedly, Mosfet was not the most stable person in the world, but 
he was magic with what he did.  I can't help but wonder what he could be 
adding to KDE4.

Anyway, goodbye and good riddance.



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 08:46:01 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:46:01 +0100
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>

I will say it again. The problems are not with KDE changing and
improving. That is the right thing for them to do!!!!!!!!!! The
problem is with making a program, OS, Desktop the standard before it
is ready!!!!! The set up of 8.04, with kde4 in the background is the
way it should have stayed for at least one more year. Then when the
change was made people would be saying WOW, GREAT. At the same time
KDE3 should in this edition with the switch be an option in the
background so that grumpy, hate to change types don't have to!
The way this change is being done by Kubuntu is really bad (I would
say stupid but I learn from others mistakes) IMOHO.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From hvralpha at intekom.co.za  Fri Nov  7 08:51:12 2008
From: hvralpha at intekom.co.za (Hein van Rensburg)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:51:12 +0200
Subject: Minimum list of requirements for KDE4/Kubuntu 8.10
Message-ID: <1226047872.7046.23.camel@XFX750>

I agree with Larry and have now done 15 installations with Kubuntu 8.10
and Ubuntu 8.10 on on hardware which is from very old to brand new and
also notebooks which is 5 years old and brand new.

In Ubuntu everything works and is easy to set up in a network and has
some really nice new facilities.

In Kubuntu 8.10 most things work and it is fine for a single computer
which has a always on Ethernet connection to the Internet. The new
Kontact is really great, Dolphin is working fine, the plasma desktop is
fantastic and it is generally a much more capable distribution than
anything else in sight.

However, I believe there is a range of principle functions which must
work for a distribution to be released. That is unfortunately not the
case in Kubuntu 8.10 and leading to the gripes which is seen on this
list and other locations. My observations are:

a. Networking is totally broken. It is just IP 6 and you can't even ping
another computer anywhere. This all works in Ubuntu but not in Kubuntu.
Do not even try to set up a small network with Kubuntu 8.10. You will
not be able to connect to anything on your network. This is really
unacceptable.

b. Network manager does not work for notebook computers with 2
interfaces. This program has been broken since Kubuntu 7 and really
needs some priority and management attention. It is impossible to set up
notebooks with DSL dialup links which many countries and thousands of
people use. Again the new network manager in Ubuntu is great. This
program alone has been the reason many people are turning away from
Kubuntu. I personally have filed several bug reports on this and nothing
ever gets done.

These capabilities are a basic minimum for a successful release in my
opinion. We have again succeeded to alienate a large part of our user
base just as we had in 4.0. 








From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 09:36:48 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:36:48 -0600
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008 2:46:01 am Knapp wrote:
> I will say it again. The problems are not with KDE changing and
> improving. That is the right thing for them to do!!!!!!!!!! The
> problem is with making a program, OS, Desktop the standard before it
> is ready!!!!! The set up of 8.04, with kde4 in the background is the
> way it should have stayed for at least one more year. Then when the
> change was made people would be saying WOW, GREAT. At the same time
> KDE3 should in this edition with the switch be an option in the
> background so that grumpy, hate to change types don't have to!
> The way this change is being done by Kubuntu is really bad (I would
> say stupid but I learn from others mistakes) IMOHO.
> --
> Douglas E Knapp
>
> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page

This is reasonable and I'll agree to it.  At least for Kubuntu.  The entire 
Ubuntu line is geared more toward beginners than pros (I know, that's 
oversimplifying, but it's true) and that should be taken into account.  I run 
both Kubuntu and opensuse and am pleased with both, but it's opensuse that I 
use KDE4 on.  I try to stay true to the Ubuntu ideal on the other machine.

That said, you could wait 10 years to release it and the same people to whom I 
refer would be complaining in the exact same way.  This has always been the 
case, as I pointed out in my previous post.



From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 09:55:53 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:55:53 +0300
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491410A9.2070503@gmail.com>

Ian MacGregor wrote:
> Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10. Fork it, create a whole 
> new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to use KDE4* and I'll 
> bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of feces I've ever seen in 
> the software world. This is a classic example of "trying to look pretty and 
> sacrificing productivity in the process". At the very least, get rid of 
> plasma. If KDE4 were the only desktop environment available in Linux, I would 
> be switching to Microsoft Windows today - yes, KDE4 is _that_ bad. Luckily, 
> there are other desktops.. so today, instead of wasting my time fixing the 
> problems in Intrepid, I'm going to switch over to Ubuntu.
every kde user has in mind, that kde4 is quite young.
I think it's quite clear for everybody that if you want stability, you 
should use kde3. If you are going to be on the edge - give a try to kde4.

i do not understand your kde4 bashing. You are free to use or not to use 
it. Nobody (i hope so) forces you to use kde4 right now.

forking kde3 is not the best idea. I agree with Larry's position for that.

And... KDE is open project. If you dislike some things there - you can 
join kde team. Fix bugs there. Implement a feature. Write a doc.  
Translate it! You are _able_ to change current state. I believe it is 
more correct way to express yourself than just grumbling :)




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 10:05:21 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:05:21 +0100
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811070205r6b0ea3b7xb7cdda8c14ca87a0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Constantinos Maltezos
<pandarsson at yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2008 2:46:01 am Knapp wrote:
>> I will say it again. The problems are not with KDE changing and
>> improving. That is the right thing for them to do!!!!!!!!!! The
>> problem is with making a program, OS, Desktop the standard before it
>> is ready!!!!! The set up of 8.04, with kde4 in the background is the
>> way it should have stayed for at least one more year. Then when the
>> change was made people would be saying WOW, GREAT. At the same time
>> KDE3 should in this edition with the switch be an option in the
>> background so that grumpy, hate to change types don't have to!
>> The way this change is being done by Kubuntu is really bad (I would
>> say stupid but I learn from others mistakes) IMOHO.
>> --
>> Douglas E Knapp
>>
>> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page
>
> This is reasonable and I'll agree to it.  At least for Kubuntu.  The entire
> Ubuntu line is geared more toward beginners than pros (I know, that's
> oversimplifying, but it's true) and that should be taken into account.  I run
> both Kubuntu and opensuse and am pleased with both, but it's opensuse that I
> use KDE4 on.  I try to stay true to the Ubuntu ideal on the other machine.
>
> That said, you could wait 10 years to release it and the same people to whom I
> refer would be complaining in the exact same way.  This has always been the
> case, as I pointed out in my previous post.

I agree that there will always be some people bitching about things
but in some case they are correct. If you buy a new car you expect it
to start and run. If you start it and black smoke pours out then you
have a reason to be mad. If you start it and seat is adjusted wrong
then you have the responsibility to fix that problem without bitching
about it.

KDE4 should not be default YET. People download the current Kubuntu
and expect it to work not be like some Beta software. If you buy a car
and black smoke pours out you don't expect people to tell you, you
should have purchased last years version. If they just don't like it
because it lacks polish that is yet a different thing.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 10:05:42 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:05:42 -0500
Subject: kmailrc
In-Reply-To: <200811061730.50204.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
References: <200811061730.50204.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811070205v418c1ef5ja0537494427f2d77@mail.gmail.com>

you need more than that.  Copy ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail from the old
computer as well.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM, jerry Lapham <rjlapham at cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to restore my kmail accounts and filters with a backup of kmailrc.
> When I copy it and then start kmail it just overwrites kmailrc and leaves me
> without accounts and filters.  How do I overcome that?  I'm running Kubuntu
> 8.04 with KDE 3.5.9.
>
>        -Jerry
> --
> =============================================
> Jerry Lapham
> Monroe, OH  45050
> rjlapham at cinci.rr.com
> =============================================
> "It's a bitmap," said Tom graphically.
>
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> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 10:11:20 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:11:20 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <49137B25.2090103@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>
	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>
	<10239442.lW6xx7OG7G@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<49137B25.2090103@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811070211x541b23c3o1577b1cb08d480e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org> wrote:
> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> I'm not entirely sure your hypothesis is provable.  I think I could say with
>> as much authority that Firefox and others have broken the stranglehold IE
>> had on the browser market because they provided features (like tabs) that
>> users wanted.
>
>    The adherence to standards also means not putting in questionable
> extension which cause security problems.  One of the main reasons people left
> IE in droves were concerns over security.  Were they leaving because of the
> adherence to standards?  No.  Was the adherence to standards part and parcel
> with good security practices?  Yes.

Well, you are absolutely right.  But they didn't make that connection
and weren't motivated by it.

Also, it was  that simple.  IE was designed to be insecure by the MS
marketing team who always chooses whiz-bang feature and integration
over security.  It didn't just fail to adhere to standard, it flouted
them.


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From grey at dmiyu.org  Fri Nov  7 10:21:39 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:21:39 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811070211x541b23c3o1577b1cb08d480e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>	<10239442.lW6xx7OG7G@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49137B25.2090103@dmiyu.org>
	<5a1f6bd00811070211x541b23c3o1577b1cb08d480e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491416B3.20909@dmiyu.org>

Art Alexion wrote:
> Well, you are absolutely right.  But they didn't make that connection
> and weren't motivated by it.

    My statement was never about the motivation.  It was about the results.
Adherence to standards led to a more secure browser.  People wanted a more
secure browser.  They chose browsers which were secure and that security, in
part, was compliance to standards.  Ergo compliance to standards had the
effect regardless of the individual users' awareness of the methods by which
that security was arrived.  Their lack of awareness does not negate the cause,
the effect nor the link twixt the two.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 10:24:25 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:24:25 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <49139D70.6050109@bielenberg.id.au>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811061912.48353.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<49138F48.1030208@sbcglobal.net> <49139D70.6050109@bielenberg.id.au>
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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Cary Bielenberg <cary at bielenberg.id.au> wrote:
> I use Kubuntu for personal use (and thoroughly enjoy it) but would love to
> use it for work! Because I need Outlook & couple of Microsoft apps I tried
> crossover for Office 2003, that was absolutely useless. I tried to install
> virtualbox but I would rather walk over hot coals than spend another day
> trying to get bridged networking going. I too will wait until we get our act
> together & release a enterprise ready version.


Use Ubuntu for work if yo


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From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 10:28:29 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:28:29 +0300
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811070205r6b0ea3b7xb7cdda8c14ca87a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>	<200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070205r6b0ea3b7xb7cdda8c14ca87a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4914184D.3050600@gmail.com>

Knapp wrote:
>
> If you buy a car and black smoke pours out you don't expect people to tell you, you
> should have purchased last years version. 
Have you ever heard stories about automobile maker companies - from time 
to time they recall brand new cars for fixing "black smoke"?
In case of software, there is even no necessity to recall, patches are 
send over internet for every significant problem.

I believe you got your kubuntu for free and your budget wasn't impacted 
as much as it could be in case with a car :)



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 10:32:24 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:32:24 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <49139D70.6050109@bielenberg.id.au>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811061912.48353.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<49138F48.1030208@sbcglobal.net> <49139D70.6050109@bielenberg.id.au>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811070232j292c1d95jb605f4f7bab789d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Cary Bielenberg <cary at bielenberg.id.au> wrote:
> I use Kubuntu for personal use (and thoroughly enjoy it) but would love to
> use it for work! Because I need Outlook & couple of Microsoft apps I tried
> crossover for Office 2003, that was absolutely useless. I tried to install
> virtualbox but I would rather walk over hot coals than spend another day
> trying to get bridged networking going. I too will wait until we get our act
> together & release a enterprise ready version.


Sorry, its the damned elantech touchpad on this eee.

I recommend Ubuntu for working in an MS environment.  I have NO
complaints about Ubuntu 8.10.  Evolution does exchange nicely.
Install OOo 3 from the PPA for excellent MS format support.  If you do
administration, tsclient is your friend.

I prefer KDE, but for a heterogeneous environment, go with Ubuntu.


And for KDE users complaining about KDE 4, I have two words, "Debian Lenny".


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From jtnews at mail2004.dnsalias.org  Fri Nov  7 10:20:22 2008
From: jtnews at mail2004.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:20:22 +0100
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gf14p6$ulq$1@ger.gmane.org>

Ali Milis wrote:

> for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
> that sometimes work and often don't?!

You don't like software at all, do you? ;-)




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 10:48:26 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:48:26 +0100
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811070232j292c1d95jb605f4f7bab789d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811061912.48353.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<49138F48.1030208@sbcglobal.net> <49139D70.6050109@bielenberg.id.au>
	<5a1f6bd00811070232j292c1d95jb605f4f7bab789d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811070248o44a62c6bu2fe1f0e15d2ae84f@mail.gmail.com>

> And for KDE users complaining about KDE 4, I have two words, "Debian Lenny".
> artAlexion

Which makes the point quite nicely. Kubuntu is no longer the best KDE
distro for newbies or people that just want it to work. They are
driving users away from Kubuntu and you are helping here. I want to
see Kubuntu thrive. This is not the way!


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 10:55:14 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:55:14 +0100
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <4914184D.3050600@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070205r6b0ea3b7xb7cdda8c14ca87a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4914184D.3050600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811070255g3f986f66k82f29c00aad0d6f4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Alexander Smirnov
<alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com> wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>>
>> If you buy a car and black smoke pours out you don't expect people to tell you, you
>> should have purchased last years version.
> Have you ever heard stories about automobile maker companies - from time
> to time they recall brand new cars for fixing "black smoke"?
> In case of software, there is even no necessity to recall, patches are
> send over internet for every significant problem.
>
> I believe you got your kubuntu for free and your budget wasn't impacted
> as much as it could be in case with a car :)

So you are saying because this is open source project that makes it's
cash by providing service that it does not need to work well? You are
saying that the rep of Kubuntu is not important? That new users should
expect it to fail because it is free? I think that NONE of this is
true. Kubuntu is taking over because of the rep it has archived and
because it of the rep of ubuntu. Nether one of these products would be
where it is with an attitude that because it is free it can have low
quality. *ubuntu is a BRAND NAME. If you destroy that name with bad
products you do great harm to the future of *ubuntu. It does not take
long for people to brand a Distro as poor. I know, I started with
Mandrake. I will never go back to them after the way they treated
their users. Up to this point, not counting Dolphin with DID have an
alternate to fall back on, this distro has been run very well. I am
sure at a car company that release a bad product heads roll in the
background. It is NOT what the CEO wants to hear, they want
perfection. Perfection should be the goal here too. Some mistakes are
unavoidable but this one was easy to see and was pointed out
beforehand.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 11:11:22 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:11:22 +0300
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811070255g3f986f66k82f29c00aad0d6f4@mail.gmail.com>
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Knapp wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Alexander Smirnov
> <alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Knapp wrote:
>>     
>>> If you buy a car and black smoke pours out you don't expect people to tell you, you
>>> should have purchased last years version.
>>>       
>> Have you ever heard stories about automobile maker companies - from time
>> to time they recall brand new cars for fixing "black smoke"?
>> In case of software, there is even no necessity to recall, patches are
>> send over internet for every significant problem.
>>
>> I believe you got your kubuntu for free and your budget wasn't impacted
>> as much as it could be in case with a car :)
>>     
>
> So you are saying because this is open source project that makes it's
> cash by providing service that it does not need to work well? You are
> saying that the rep of Kubuntu is not important? That new users should
> expect it to fail because it is free? I think that NONE of this is
> true. 
I do not agree with any sentence except the last one.

But i think that the major points for ubuntu are LTS distros.
And all others are just something intermediate(may be not the best 
phrase), to show community the direction where ubuntu is going to go.

it's always reasonable to stick with LTS. And only in case if you want 
something non-ordinary :) you can try intermediate release.
This is just my vision of ubuntu cycle.



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 11:35:45 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:35:45 +0100
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <4914225A.20202@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Alexander Smirnov
<alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com> wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Alexander Smirnov
>> <alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Knapp wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you buy a car and black smoke pours out you don't expect people to tell you, you
>>>> should have purchased last years version.
>>>>
>>> Have you ever heard stories about automobile maker companies - from time
>>> to time they recall brand new cars for fixing "black smoke"?
>>> In case of software, there is even no necessity to recall, patches are
>>> send over internet for every significant problem.
>>>
>>> I believe you got your kubuntu for free and your budget wasn't impacted
>>> as much as it could be in case with a car :)
>>>
>>
>> So you are saying because this is open source project that makes it's
>> cash by providing service that it does not need to work well? You are
>> saying that the rep of Kubuntu is not important? That new users should
>> expect it to fail because it is free? I think that NONE of this is
>> true.
> I do not agree with any sentence except the last one.
>
> But i think that the major points for ubuntu are LTS distros.
> And all others are just something intermediate(may be not the best
> phrase), to show community the direction where ubuntu is going to go.
>
> it's always reasonable to stick with LTS. And only in case if you want
> something non-ordinary :) you can try intermediate release.
> This is just my vision of ubuntu cycle.


I would buy this, if it were that way on their web page. Nowhere does
it say that a none LTS is a beta and we should expect it to have big
holes in it. If you go to the Ubuntu site home page it says to go to
download where you get this message:

Ubuntu 8.10 Desktop (the latest version): Includes the latest
enhancements and is maintained until 2010
Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop: Released April 2008 and maintained until
April 2011 – ideal for large deployments

I don't know about you but I don't see myself as a large deployment
with just my 3 computers and I don't see an extra year as being such a
big deal. There are no warnings about  8.10 not working well or being
not for new users.

But this is Kubuntu so:
Kubuntu 8.10 - Featuring the cutting edge KDE 4 and maintained until
April 2010
Kubuntu 8.04 - Featuring the mature KDE 3 and maintained until October 2009

Again no big warning about non-LTS updates. There is on the home page
a little bit of a warning at the bottom mixed in with the new that has
a link to a page with a warning. Why do I feel like I am looking for
Arthur Dent's home destruction warning?

So in this one upgrade there is some warning about problems but in the
past that has not been the case and it is not the case with Ubuntu.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page

From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 11:46:35 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:46:35 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811070335t3c5c0f88s176cd0741c7f2ade@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070205r6b0ea3b7xb7cdda8c14ca87a0@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Ubuntu 8.10 Desktop (the latest version): Includes the latest
> enhancements and is maintained until 2010
> Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop: Released April 2008 and maintained until
> April 2011 – ideal for large deployments
>
> I don't know about you but I don't see myself as a large deployment
> with just my 3 computers and I don't see an extra year as being such a
> big deal. There are no warnings about  8.10 not working well or being
> not for new users.

Well the LTS is good for big deployments because you don't want to
constantly upgrade 500+ computers.


>
> But this is Kubuntu so:
> Kubuntu 8.10 - Featuring the cutting edge KDE 4 and maintained until
> April 2010
> Kubuntu 8.04 - Featuring the mature KDE 3 and maintained until October 2009
>
> Again no big warning about non-LTS updates. There is on the home page
> a little bit of a warning at the bottom mixed in with the new that has
> a link to a page with a warning. Why do I feel like I am looking for
> Arthur Dent's home destruction warning?
>
> So in this one upgrade there is some warning about problems but in the
> past that has not been the case and it is not the case with Ubuntu.

I use Ubuntu (gnome) at work.  The upgrade was a flawless as
Feisty>Gutsy>Hardy.  The core OS is fine and getting ever more stable.
 Kubuntu Intrepid's only problem is the experimental DE.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 11:58:50 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:58:50 +0100
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811070346n3d77b479p7469989b76476c01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070205r6b0ea3b7xb7cdda8c14ca87a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4914184D.3050600@gmail.com>
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> I use Ubuntu (gnome) at work.  The upgrade was a flawless as
> Feisty>Gutsy>Hardy.  The core OS is fine and getting ever more stable.
>  Kubuntu Intrepid's only problem is the experimental DE.
> --
> artAlexion
> sent unsigned from webmail interface

Which is my whole point. Experimental software should not be the
default, it should be a fun option as it is in 8.04.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 12:15:29 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:15:29 +0200
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a86b2f600811070415s3f5b4ad9t798f055d69a165f2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm always happy to hear of any person trying out a Linux variant and I am
sorry this one in particular does not fit your needs. I installed Kubuntu
8.10 and, although it lacks quite a few things (starting with autohiding
unused panels), I find that I can put up with these annoyances.
I am sure KDE 4.1.2 does not fit the needs of many people, but I don't think
KDE 4 can move forward if it lacks the input of a larger userbase. KDE 4
project needs to have KDE 4.1.2 packages available to end-users, otherwise
KDE 4 will never improve. Or it will contain just developers vision and will
totally exclude endusers suggestions from the development process. But if
KDE 4.1.2 just does not work for you and you find it annoying, you should
just not use it in production systems yet. If you can, keep a test machine
around with KDE 4.1.2 packages and try to send your feedback to the rest of
the community (users + developers alike).

I, personally, think that this debate around which version to use is getting
too emotional. If you don't feel good using a program, just don't use it in
a live production system. Test it and if at any point you feel it has got
better, switch to it.

I am not a KDE developer, but speaking from my experience as a proprietary
software developer. Inside my company I advocate for the reengineering of
the product we maintain because it has got too complex to work with it any
more. Reengineering does not necesarily come from end users' need, but this
time comes from developers need. Likewise KDE developers felt that it was
getting too hard to work with KDE 3.5 any more and they needed a change.
With time they will make KDE 4 usable for you too, but they need your help
and mine to do so. Also, if the original developers & maintainers of KDE 3.5
decided that 3.5 is too hard to maintain, why do you think a new maintainer
for KDE 3.5.10 will do a better job?

You seem to be talking like what you need will never be achived with the new
code, but with sensible feedback from us I think any sound feature will make
it into KDE 4. Of course, developers have other priorities and that is why
we need to let developers know what is important to us.

In short, please try be more optimistic about KDE 4 and try it out in every
release. It is nothing we can not achieve together.


I am a new guy to supporting Linux and to mailing lists, I hope not to make
any mistakes.
Offtopic: I wrote lots of "I do", "I think", "I am" in this short story,
that is because I am just beginning to find my words.



Have fun,
Bogdan

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Ian MacGregor <ardchoille42 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm retired and spend my free time helping other folks switch to Linux - I
> hold classes in my area to accomplish this. I usually offer a number of
> Linux
> distros with Kubuntu and Ubuntu being the top two.
>
> I have been using Kubuntu for a while. I spent a half an hour installing
> Kubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid) on my main machine and it usually takes me another
> twenty minutes to get up and running. Yesterday I spent two hours
> attempting
> to fix numerous bugs - I found over 20 bugs.
>
> Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10. Fork it, create a
> whole
> new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to use KDE4* and I'll
> bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of feces I've ever seen in
> the software world. This is a classic example of "trying to look pretty and
> sacrificing productivity in the process". At the very least, get rid of
> plasma. If KDE4 were the only desktop environment available in Linux, I
> would
> be switching to Microsoft Windows today - yes, KDE4 is _that_ bad. Luckily,
> there are other desktops.. so today, instead of wasting my time fixing the
> problems in Intrepid, I'm going to switch over to Ubuntu.
>
> I'm not going to waste my time filing bug reports because KDE4 isn't worth
> fixing. Sadly, I will no longer be able to offer Kubuntu as an option to
> the
> folks in my classes.
>
> Kubuntu has been awesome and intrepid could be awesome too but you're
> letting
> the kde project kill what once was one of the two the best distro's on the
> planet - today I'll be switching over to the other one.
>
> If it were the mission of the KDE project to force their users over to
> other
> DE's and WM's by turning their once beautiful and stable desktop
> environment
> into total garbage, then I applaud the KDE devs for accomplishing their
> mission.
>
> Regards,
> Ian MacGregor
>
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From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 13:42:55 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:42:55 +0200
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
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Hello,

Personally I find it sad to know somebody somewhere gives up on anything,
but if you indeed lost faith in Linux getting any better for you or the
people you try (tried) to support it is nothing we can do to help you.

If at any point you think Linux and in particular, Kubuntu, can do something
to help you, there is nothing stopping you to come back to discuss about it.

Thanks for your feedback!

Have fun,
Bogdan

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Ali Milis <almilis at gmail.com> wrote:

> $ export GIVEUP
>
> Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
> for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
> that sometimes work and often don't?!
>
> I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
> problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
> and laypeople
>
> sigh...
>
> --
> Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis
> Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/
> Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
>
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Fri Nov  7 13:53:53 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:53:53 -0600
Subject: Is this possible?
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Knapp wrote:
> I will say it again. The problems are not with KDE changing and
> improving. That is the right thing for them to do!!!!!!!!!! The
> problem is with making a program, OS, Desktop the standard before it
> is ready!!!!! The set up of 8.04, with kde4 in the background is the
> way it should have stayed for at least one more year. Then when the
> change was made people would be saying WOW, GREAT. At the same time
> KDE3 should in this edition with the switch be an option in the
> background so that grumpy, hate to change types don't have to!
> The way this change is being done by Kubuntu is really bad (I would
> say stupid but I learn from others mistakes) IMOHO.
>   
I've asked this question before but no one seems to want to address it 
so I will restate it in another form.

_Who is holding a gun to your head to force you to change to 8.10/4.x????_

I presume, from the tone of many, that 8.04/3.5.10 is installed on most 
of your computers and working just fine. Doing what you want it to just 
the way you want it done. 8.04 will be supported for at least the next 
year and the "Ubuntu" part of it for another year plus after that.

I'll answer my own question.

_NO ONE!!_

Here's the conundrum for the developers. They only have so much man 
power to develop Kubuntu or KDE. Right now KDE is going through a major 
change so _all_ their efforts need to be focused on making it work, 
leaving no time available to work on KDE 3.x. The Kubuntu developers had 
to make a decision based on this fact. Right or wrong I'm sure they made 
what to them seemed the best [ most logical ?? ] choice knowing full 
well that 8.04 would be supported, and stable/usable, for at _least_ 
another year.

If it's a production machine stick with 8.04/3.5.10 for at least the 
next year. If it's a play computer and your willing to put up with KDE 
4.x while they get it "fixed", go for it. If your handing someone a 
disk, give them 8.04/3.5.10 and tell them not to upgrade till at least 
next spring and more likely next fall. It's not that hard to figure out.

I have an OLD 386 Bondwell laptop under my desk that still runs DOS 6.22 
and Windows 3.1 just fine. That software is at least thirteen years past 
it's "expiration date". It still does what it's supposed to do. Old 
software/OS's don't die just because they have been replaced

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov  7 14:07:47 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:07:47 -0400
Subject: Is this possible?
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
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Constantinos Maltezos wrote:

> And now comes KDE4 and here you are again.  A lot of you are new faces,
> but it's the same old story.  When I discovered I liked KDE1, I upgraded
> my KDE every time a new version came out, eager to explore the new
> changes.  This is true today.

Well said.  I fully expect there will be things in KDE4 next week that I
won't like, but I'm looking forward to the experimentation.  I can _always_
go back to kde 3.5, but I'm more upset that so little has been done to fix
problems in KDE 3.5 over the last couple of years, because of KDE 4
development.

I may even keep Dolphin :-)
 
> Here's the crux: KDE has always tried to innovate.  

Not fast enough!
-- 
derek




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Fri Nov  7 14:12:54 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:12:54 -0600
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811070211x541b23c3o1577b1cb08d480e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>	<10239442.lW6xx7OG7G@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49137B25.2090103@dmiyu.org>
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Art Alexion wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org> wrote:
>   
>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>     
>>> I'm not entirely sure your hypothesis is provable.  I think I could say with
>>> as much authority that Firefox and others have broken the stranglehold IE
>>> had on the browser market because they provided features (like tabs) that
>>> users wanted.
>>>       
>>    The adherence to standards also means not putting in questionable
>> extension which cause security problems.  One of the main reasons people left
>> IE in droves were concerns over security.  Were they leaving because of the
>> adherence to standards?  No.  Was the adherence to standards part and parcel
>> with good security practices?  Yes.
>>     
>
> Well, you are absolutely right.  But they didn't make that connection
> and weren't motivated by it.
>
> Also, it was  that simple.  IE was designed to be insecure by the MS
> marketing team who always chooses whiz-bang feature and integration
> over security.  It didn't just fail to adhere to standard, it flouted
> them.
>
>
>   

This sort of goes back to the "Browser War" between Microsoft and 
Netscape. Microsoft wanted to dominate in the browser market so they 
made their own "standard" and tied it to Microsoft products. When Java 
came a long Microsoft added their own "standard" and tied it to their 
own products. Still today a lot of web pages are made in Front Page 
which automatically sets up things just for IE only. Supposedly the next 
version of IE will be more Standards compliant, but I will believe it 
when I see it.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov  7 14:12:08 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:12:08 -0400
Subject: Is this possible?
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>	<200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070205r6b0ea3b7xb7cdda8c14ca87a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4914184D.3050600@gmail.com>
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Alexander Smirnov wrote:

> Knapp wrote:
>>
>> If you buy a car and black smoke pours out you don't expect people to
>> tell you, you should have purchased last years version.
> Have you ever heard stories about automobile maker companies - from time
> to time they recall brand new cars for fixing "black smoke"?
> In case of software, there is even no necessity to recall, patches are
> send over internet for every significant problem.
> 
> I believe you got your kubuntu for free and your budget wasn't impacted
> as much as it could be in case with a car :)

No, that's not a good enough argument.  Sure I have my Kubuntu for free -
but my business depends on it.  There always has to be a balance between
too-new-to-be-reliable and too-old-to-be-useful.  KDE 3.5 is rapidly
approaching the latter.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov  7 14:08:59 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:08:59 -0400
Subject: Is this possible?
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3525362.jihy13Fsxj@cedar.serverforest.com>

Knapp wrote:

> I will say it again. The problems are not with KDE changing and
> improving. That is the right thing for them to do!!!!!!!!!! The
> problem is with making a program, OS, Desktop the standard before it
> is ready!!!!! The set up of 8.04, with kde4 in the background is the
> way it should have stayed for at least one more year. Then when the
> change was made people would be saying WOW, GREAT.

"WOW.  GREAT.  Why on earth did we have to put up with that stagnant 3.5 for
so long...".
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov  7 14:14:05 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:14:05 -0400
Subject: Is this possible?
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>	<200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>	<f495db580811070205r6b0ea3b7xb7cdda8c14ca87a0@mail.gmail.com>	<4914184D.3050600@gmail.com>
	<f495db580811070255g3f986f66k82f29c00aad0d6f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4914225A.20202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26655815.R7GYop0a4C@cedar.serverforest.com>

Alexander Smirnov wrote:

> it's always reasonable to stick with LTS. 

And that's the heart of the problem, because we really don't _have_ a
Kubuntu LTS.  Yes, Dapper is still in support, but it was never supposed to
still be the current LTS at this time.
-- 
derek




From greenwaldjared at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 14:32:28 2008
From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:32:28 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <26655815.R7GYop0a4C@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070205r6b0ea3b7xb7cdda8c14ca87a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4914184D.3050600@gmail.com>
	<f495db580811070255g3f986f66k82f29c00aad0d6f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4914225A.20202@gmail.com>
	<26655815.R7GYop0a4C@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <2759cf860811070632s662eae6ra77efe7a4f4b5c32@mail.gmail.com>

I thought Hardy was LTS?

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Alexander Smirnov wrote:
>
>> it's always reasonable to stick with LTS.
>
> And that's the heart of the problem, because we really don't _have_ a
> Kubuntu LTS.  Yes, Dapper is still in support, but it was never supposed to
> still be the current LTS at this time.
> --
> derek
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov  7 14:18:32 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:18:32 -0400
Subject: Minimum list of requirements for KDE4/Kubuntu 8.10
References: <1226047872.7046.23.camel@XFX750>
Message-ID: <2123405.GdKMXn8FbG@cedar.serverforest.com>

Hein van Rensburg wrote:

> The new Kontact is really great, 

I have been desperately waiting to hear someone say that!  I'll take two :-)
-- 
derek




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 14:42:59 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:42:59 +1000
Subject: Minimum list of requirements for KDE4/Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <2123405.GdKMXn8FbG@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <1226047872.7046.23.camel@XFX750>
	<2123405.GdKMXn8FbG@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811080042.59691.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:18:32 am Derek Broughton wrote:
> Hein van Rensburg wrote:
> > The new Kontact is really great,
>
> I have been desperately waiting to hear someone say that!  I'll take two
> :-) --
> derek


Heh,

Kontact 4 has really grown on me too, I use it exclusively. I just wish it 
(and konqueror) had easy scripting extensions like Thunderbird and Firefox.
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From gloonie at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  7 15:00:51 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:00:51 -0500
Subject: question on screenshots
In-Reply-To: <200811051955.25716.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811051955.25716.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <200811071000.52124.gloonie@earthlink.net>

Hi Folks,

I may be doing something wrong, but I can't get KDE to copy a screenshot or 
window to the clipboard. When I look at system settings, it says that both 
Ctrl-Print and Alt-Print are set, but when I use these combinations, nothing 
seems to happen.

Can someone tell me how to take a screnshot of a window or the desktop?


TIA,

Glenn



From rick0009 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 15:09:27 2008
From: rick0009 at gmail.com (Richard)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:09:27 -0500
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com> <490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49145A27.90105@gmail.com>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Richard wrote:
>   
>> Try to burn a audio cd, in all seems well,
>> however, when playing the cd back, I notice, the volume
>> level are different on each songs...
>>
>> How does one level out the volume for the audio tracks,
>> on a burn cd?
>>
>> Are there any other application that I need to install?
>>
>> Ubuntu 8.04
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Rich
>>
>> PS: My buddy uses Vista, and makes a perfect
>> audio cd.. he just had to rub that in.
>>
>>
>>     
>
> i'll assume you're using k3b, there is an option in the burn dialog to
> level volumes. called "normalize volume levels", it's in the advanced
> tab of the window that pops up when you click burn.
> and did actually **vista** create the audio CD? or some program there
> you have? in anyways, it doesn't really matter!
>
>   
Well, let I mention, my friend "Vista" machine, can
rip into lossless format, WMA... and he can burn a audio cd,
using WMP, and this application, can level the volume between songs,
as it burns...

So, I test this, I have a few high peak songs, +10 db according to 
replaygain tags,
and have a few -1.5 db songs.. so I ask him to burn this 5 songs, so I could
play them back in my home audio system.

Well, this bugs me, because, I did not have to adjust the volume level 
at all,
while playing the audio cd.

I have try this in k3b, but there is another program needed...

TKS !
Rich




From dave at thefletchers.net  Fri Nov  7 15:14:03 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:14:03 +0000
Subject: question on screenshots
In-Reply-To: <200811071000.52124.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811051955.25716.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<200811071000.52124.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200811071514.03748.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Friday 07 Nov 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I may be doing something wrong, but I can't get KDE to copy a screenshot or 
> window to the clipboard. When I look at system settings, it says that both 
> Ctrl-Print and Alt-Print are set, but when I use these combinations, nothing 
> seems to happen.
> 
> Can someone tell me how to take a screnshot of a window or the desktop?
> 

I've always used ksnapshot, under the graphics section.

Dave



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Fri Nov  7 15:17:49 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:17:49 +0000
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <49145A27.90105@gmail.com>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com> <490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>
	<49145A27.90105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49145C1D.7000909@yahoo.it>

Richard wrote:
> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>> Richard wrote:
>>   
>>> Try to burn a audio cd, in all seems well,
>>> however, when playing the cd back, I notice, the volume
>>> level are different on each songs...
>>>
>>> How does one level out the volume for the audio tracks,
>>> on a burn cd?
>>>
>>> Are there any other application that I need to install?
>>>
>>> Ubuntu 8.04
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> PS: My buddy uses Vista, and makes a perfect
>>> audio cd.. he just had to rub that in.
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>> i'll assume you're using k3b, there is an option in the burn dialog to
>> level volumes. called "normalize volume levels", it's in the advanced
>> tab of the window that pops up when you click burn.
>> and did actually **vista** create the audio CD? or some program there
>> you have? in anyways, it doesn't really matter!
>>
>>   
> Well, let I mention, my friend "Vista" machine, can
> rip into lossless format, WMA... and he can burn a audio cd,

Lossless? I thought WMA was a lossy format like MP3, but might be wrong. 
What size are the files it rips?
I.

> using WMP, and this application, can level the volume between songs,
> as it burns...
> 
> So, I test this, I have a few high peak songs, +10 db according to 
> replaygain tags,
> and have a few -1.5 db songs.. so I ask him to burn this 5 songs, so I could
> play them back in my home audio system.
> 
> Well, this bugs me, because, I did not have to adjust the volume level 
> at all,
> while playing the audio cd.
> 
> I have try this in k3b, but there is another program needed...
> 
> TKS !
> Rich
> 
> 




From gloonie at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  7 15:29:21 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:29:21 -0500
Subject: question on screenshots
In-Reply-To: <200811071514.03748.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811071000.52124.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811071514.03748.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <200811071029.22122.gloonie@earthlink.net>

On Friday 07 November 2008 10:14:03 David Fletcher wrote:
> On Friday 07 Nov 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I may be doing something wrong, but I can't get KDE to copy a screenshot
> > or window to the clipboard. When I look at system settings, it says that
> > both Ctrl-Print and Alt-Print are set, but when I use these combinations,
> > nothing seems to happen.
> >
> > Can someone tell me how to take a screnshot of a window or the desktop?
>
> I've always used ksnapshot, under the graphics section.
>
> Dave

Thanks, Dave. That worked for my purposes. It would be good to know if those 
print keys work as well, but this solved my immediate problem.

Glenn




From dave at thefletchers.net  Fri Nov  7 15:38:40 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:38:40 +0000
Subject: question on screenshots
In-Reply-To: <200811071029.22122.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811071514.03748.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<200811071029.22122.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200811071538.40196.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Friday 07 Nov 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote:
> >
> > I've always used ksnapshot, under the graphics section.
> >
> > Dave
> 
> Thanks, Dave. That worked for my purposes. It would be good to know if those 
> print keys work as well, but this solved my immediate problem.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> 

Just for fun I tried pressing the PrintScreen key. It puts up ksnapshot :-D

Still running on Gutsy BTW.

Dave


-- 

Registered Linux user number 393408

I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1
For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit:
http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763



From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Fri Nov  7 15:49:43 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:49:43 -0600
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Friday November 7 2008 12:52:53 am Ali Milis wrote:
> $ export GIVEUP
>
> Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
> for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
> that sometimes work and often don't?!
>
> I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
> problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
> and laypeople
>

You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I gave up on 
Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier person today.

best wishes-
pete



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 17:12:07 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:12:07 -0500
Subject: question on screenshots (Was "Why do people dislike Dolphin?")
In-Reply-To: <200811071000.52124.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811051955.25716.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<200811071000.52124.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200811071212.08141.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008 10:00:51 am Glenn R Williams wrote:
> question on screenshots

Hi Glenn.  Please don't hijack threads as it really messes up those of us who 
view our mail in threads.

Plus, it isn't so good for you.  I was getting pretty tired of the original 
thread and was about to delete the thread.  If David, who suggested ksnapshot 
to you had, you would never had gotten the suggestion.

Looks like you are using kmail, so Shift+N will give you an new message, or 
Shift+Ctrl+N will give you a new message already addressed to the list if you 
filter your messages into folders.


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From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 17:13:11 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:13:11 +0100
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <49145C1D.7000909@yahoo.it>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com> <490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>
	<49145A27.90105@gmail.com> <49145C1D.7000909@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811070913v24d29e0p9b7a24d467f423ec@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/7 Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it>:
> Richard wrote:
>> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>>> Richard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Try to burn a audio cd, in all seems well,
>>>> however, when playing the cd back, I notice, the volume
>>>> level are different on each songs...
>>>>
>>>> How does one level out the volume for the audio tracks,
>>>> on a burn cd?
>>>>
>>>> Are there any other application that I need to install?
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu 8.04
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>> PS: My buddy uses Vista, and makes a perfect
>>>> audio cd.. he just had to rub that in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> i'll assume you're using k3b, there is an option in the burn dialog to
>>> level volumes. called "normalize volume levels", it's in the advanced
>>> tab of the window that pops up when you click burn.
>>> and did actually **vista** create the audio CD? or some program there
>>> you have? in anyways, it doesn't really matter!
>>>
>>>
>> Well, let I mention, my friend "Vista" machine, can
>> rip into lossless format, WMA... and he can burn a audio cd,
>
> Lossless? I thought WMA was a lossy format like MP3, but might be wrong.
> What size are the files it rips?
> I.
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Windows_Media_Audio_Lossless

Looks nice



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 17:20:28 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:20:28 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <2759cf860811070632s662eae6ra77efe7a4f4b5c32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<26655815.R7GYop0a4C@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<2759cf860811070632s662eae6ra77efe7a4f4b5c32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811071220.28636.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008 9:32:28 am Jared Greenwald wrote:
> I thought Hardy was LTS?
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> > Alexander Smirnov wrote:
> >> it's always reasonable to stick with LTS.
> >
> > And that's the heart of the problem, because we really don't _have_ a
> > Kubuntu LTS.  Yes, Dapper is still in support, but it was never supposed
> > to still be the current LTS at this time.

Now, Jared, see how hard it is to read this when Derek used the accepted 
practice and bottom posted, while you ignored it and top posted.  After that, 
no matter where I post, it becomes hard to read.

That said, it has been repeated ad nauseum on this list and elsewhere: Kubuntu 
Hardy — unlike Ubuntu, Edubuntu and Xubuntu — is not LTS.  This decision was 
apparently made so that the Kubuntu team would not have to support KDE 3.5 
long term.
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 17:29:37 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:29:37 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <3370497.XRhvNeiN6k@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<4914184D.3050600@gmail.com>
	<3370497.XRhvNeiN6k@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811071229.37487.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008 9:12:08 am Derek Broughton wrote:
> Alexander Smirnov wrote:

> > I believe you got your kubuntu for free and your budget wasn't impacted
> > as much as it could be in case with a car :)
>
> No, that's not a good enough argument.  Sure I have my Kubuntu for free -
> but my business depends on it.

And I have learned with the Intrepid upgrade that Kubuntu is not designed to 
be suitable for business reliance.

Not to beat a dead horse, and this is not a criticism per se.  It just seems a 
decision was made to put experimental innovation over reliability.  That's 
OK.  The world needs innovation and a bleeding edge innovative distro, but 
for businesses where computers are tools, and the innovation is elsewhere, a 
stable computer system is necessary.

Those of us who have successfully convinced businesses to adopt Linux did so 
based on its stability and reliability.

So businesses just go elsewhere for a distro for a while.


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From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk  Fri Nov  7 17:29:04 2008
From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:29:04 +0000
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811070913v24d29e0p9b7a24d467f423ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com> <49145C1D.7000909@yahoo.it>
	<b8d784880811070913v24d29e0p9b7a24d467f423ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811071729.04725.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>

On Friday 07 November 2008 17:13:11 Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/7 Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it>:
> > Richard wrote:
> >> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> >>> Richard wrote:
> >>>> Try to burn a audio cd, in all seems well,
> >>>> however, when playing the cd back, I notice, the volume
> >>>> level are different on each songs...
> >>>>
> >>>> How does one level out the volume for the audio tracks,
> >>>> on a burn cd?
> >>>>
> >>>> Are there any other application that I need to install?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ubuntu 8.04
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>> Rich
> >>>>
> >>>> PS: My buddy uses Vista, and makes a perfect
> >>>> audio cd.. he just had to rub that in.
> >>>
> >>> i'll assume you're using k3b, there is an option in the burn dialog to
> >>> level volumes. called "normalize volume levels", it's in the advanced
> >>> tab of the window that pops up when you click burn.
> >>> and did actually **vista** create the audio CD? or some program there
> >>> you have? in anyways, it doesn't really matter!
> >>
> >> Well, let I mention, my friend "Vista" machine, can
> >> rip into lossless format, WMA... and he can burn a audio cd,
> >
> > Lossless? I thought WMA was a lossy format like MP3, but might be wrong.
> > What size are the files it rips?
> > I.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Windows_Media_Audio_Lossle
>ss
>
> Looks nice

Apart from that word starting with 'W' at the beginning.

-- 
Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 17:36:42 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:36:42 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <49144871.10209@swbell.net>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
	<49144871.10209@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200811071236.42554.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008 8:53:53 am Billie Walsh wrote:
> I've asked this question before but no one seems to want to address it
> so I will restate it in another form.
>
> _Who is holding a gun to your head to force you to change to 8.10/4.x????_
>
> I presume, from the tone of many, that 8.04/3.5.10 is installed on most
> of your computers and working just fine. Doing what you want it to just
> the way you want it done. 8.04 will be supported for at least the next
> year and the "Ubuntu" part of it for another year plus after that.
>
> I'll answer my own question.
>
> _NO ONE!!_
>
> Here's the conundrum for the developers. They only have so much man
> power to develop Kubuntu or KDE. Right now KDE is going through a major
> change so _all_ their efforts need to be focused on making it work,
> leaving no time available to work on KDE 3.x. The Kubuntu developers had
> to make a decision based on this fact. Right or wrong I'm sure they made
> what to them seemed the best [ most logical ?? ] choice knowing full
> well that 8.04 would be supported, and stable/usable, for at _least_
> another year.
>
> If it's a production machine stick with 8.04/3.5.10 for at least the
> next year. If it's a play computer and your willing to put up with KDE
> 4.x while they get it "fixed", go for it. If your handing someone a
> disk, give them 8.04/3.5.10 and tell them not to upgrade till at least
> next spring and more likely next fall. It's not that hard to figure out.
>
> I have an OLD 386 Bondwell laptop under my desk that still runs DOS 6.22
> and Windows 3.1 just fine. That software is at least thirteen years past
> it's "expiration date". It still does what it's supposed to do. Old
> software/OS's don't die just because they have been replaced

OK, Billie, what do I do if I buy a new machine in the next year with hardware 
that isn't supported by 8.04, but is supported by 8.10?  What do I install?

The answer could be gnome, or possibly an entirely different distro.  But 
that's a shame, because I have worked with Ubuntu since 2004 and I am 
comfortable with it.  And before Kubuntu was available, you could still "sudo 
apt-get install kde" on Warty.

I don't control the distro and can't force its direction.  All I can do, with 
many of the others here, is try to influence its future path with our 
comments and posts.
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From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 17:45:17 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:45:17 +0100
Subject: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <200811071729.04725.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com> <49145C1D.7000909@yahoo.it>
	<b8d784880811070913v24d29e0p9b7a24d467f423ec@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/11/7 Mark Fraser <kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>:
> On Friday 07 November 2008 17:13:11 Jonas Norlander wrote:
>> 2008/11/7 Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it>:
>> > Richard wrote:
>> >> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>> >>> Richard wrote:
>> >>>> Try to burn a audio cd, in all seems well,
>> >>>> however, when playing the cd back, I notice, the volume
>> >>>> level are different on each songs...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How does one level out the volume for the audio tracks,
>> >>>> on a burn cd?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Are there any other application that I need to install?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ubuntu 8.04
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks!
>> >>>> Rich
>> >>>>
>> >>>> PS: My buddy uses Vista, and makes a perfect
>> >>>> audio cd.. he just had to rub that in.
>> >>>
>> >>> i'll assume you're using k3b, there is an option in the burn dialog to
>> >>> level volumes. called "normalize volume levels", it's in the advanced
>> >>> tab of the window that pops up when you click burn.
>> >>> and did actually **vista** create the audio CD? or some program there
>> >>> you have? in anyways, it doesn't really matter!
>> >>
>> >> Well, let I mention, my friend "Vista" machine, can
>> >> rip into lossless format, WMA... and he can burn a audio cd,
>> >
>> > Lossless? I thought WMA was a lossy format like MP3, but might be wrong.
>> > What size are the files it rips?
>> > I.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Windows_Media_Audio_Lossle
>>ss
>>
>> Looks nice
>
> Apart from that word starting with 'W' at the beginning.
>

I don't care if it has a W or not as long it's free and best if it
also is Open Source.

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 17:57:25 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:57:25 +0100
Subject: question on screenshots
In-Reply-To: <200811071029.22122.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811071000.52124.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811071514.03748.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<200811071029.22122.gloonie@earthlink.net>
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2008/11/7 Glenn R Williams <gloonie at earthlink.net>:
> On Friday 07 November 2008 10:14:03 David Fletcher wrote:
>> On Friday 07 Nov 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote:
>> > Hi Folks,
>> >
>> > I may be doing something wrong, but I can't get KDE to copy a screenshot
>> > or window to the clipboard. When I look at system settings, it says that
>> > both Ctrl-Print and Alt-Print are set, but when I use these combinations,
>> > nothing seems to happen.
>> >
>> > Can someone tell me how to take a screnshot of a window or the desktop?
>>
>> I've always used ksnapshot, under the graphics section.
>>
>> Dave
>
> Thanks, Dave. That worked for my purposes. It would be good to know if those
> print keys work as well, but this solved my immediate problem.
>
> Glenn
>
>

Hi

Khotkeys and Input Actions is broken in 4.1 it will have some
improvements in 4.2 don't know exactly what.
For short don't configure anything in Input actions or the Khotkeys in
the dropdown box in keyboard settings as it will mess thing up. I had
to delete the the configure files to be able to use keyboard shortcuts
after playing with the settings.
Use ksnapshot as suggested.

The bugs:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160892
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165441

/ Jonas



From bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 18:37:44 2008
From: bogdan.bivolaru at gmail.com (Bogdan Bivolaru)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:37:44 +0200
Subject: Minimum list of requirements for KDE4/Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <1226047872.7046.23.camel@XFX750>
References: <1226047872.7046.23.camel@XFX750>
Message-ID: <a86b2f600811071037k5a4c27dcsf019eb3f164df57a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 to reply, so networking works for me.
  I have tested Kubuntu interpid in two setups, which are equivalent to the
setups mentioned in your complaints:
a) Kubuntu connects to an ASUS WL-520GC router which only knows about IPv4.
Kubuntu works fine if I setup the connection manually or if I run the
dhcpclient manually. Connection is great, I get torrents at full speed.
b) Kubuntu has direct connection to my provider. My internet connecction is
PPP over wired Ethernet (but not ADSL, no modem), I just supply the username
and password to pppoeconf wizzard and it automagically configures the
connection.
It works fine for me. Arguably these are workarounds, but please also
consider that once they are done they work indefinitely (or till I change my
setup). And I believe one can endure these workarounds while KDE 4 is being
polished.

In fact I did a clean install of Kubuntu 8.10 _because_ Kubuntu 8.04 with
KDE 3.5.9 had a bug with usb devices
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/263393

Interpid works for me.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Hein van Rensburg
<hvralpha at intekom.co.za>wrote:

> I agree with Larry and have now done 15 installations with Kubuntu 8.10
> and Ubuntu 8.10 on on hardware which is from very old to brand new and
> also notebooks which is 5 years old and brand new.
>
> In Ubuntu everything works and is easy to set up in a network and has
> some really nice new facilities.
>
> In Kubuntu 8.10 most things work and it is fine for a single computer
> which has a always on Ethernet connection to the Internet. The new
> Kontact is really great, Dolphin is working fine, the plasma desktop is
> fantastic and it is generally a much more capable distribution than
> anything else in sight.
>
> However, I believe there is a range of principle functions which must
> work for a distribution to be released. That is unfortunately not the
> case in Kubuntu 8.10 and leading to the gripes which is seen on this
> list and other locations. My observations are:
>
> a. Networking is totally broken. It is just IP 6 and you can't even ping
> another computer anywhere. This all works in Ubuntu but not in Kubuntu.
> Do not even try to set up a small network with Kubuntu 8.10. You will
> not be able to connect to anything on your network. This is really
> unacceptable.
>
> b. Network manager does not work for notebook computers with 2
> interfaces. This program has been broken since Kubuntu 7 and really
> needs some priority and management attention. It is impossible to set up
> notebooks with DSL dialup links which many countries and thousands of
> people use. Again the new network manager in Ubuntu is great. This
> program alone has been the reason many people are turning away from
> Kubuntu. I personally have filed several bug reports on this and nothing
> ever gets done.
>
> These capabilities are a basic minimum for a successful release in my
> opinion. We have again succeeded to alienate a large part of our user
> base just as we had in 4.0.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org  Fri Nov  7 19:36:29 2008
From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:36:29 -0800
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
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On Friday 07 November 2008 7:49:43 am p.daniels wrote:
> On Friday November 7 2008 12:52:53 am Ali Milis wrote:
> > $ export GIVEUP
> >
> > Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
> > for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
> > that sometimes work and often don't?!
> >
> > I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
> > problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
> > and laypeople
>
> You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I gave up
> on Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier person
> today.

Thats what I did too.  When I went looking for a new laptop I only looked at 
the ones which had anything but Nvidia.  Their inability to support users is 
the prime reason for their loss of sales but they look every place but for 
the reason!!  Sorry but I receive several messages a day which complain about 
Nvidia so people are learning about their problems!!  I can only imagine how 
many messages they get



-- 
73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n><   PDGA# 35276
http://the-inner-circle.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr



From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:52:01 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:52:01 +1100
Subject: kmailrc
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811070205v418c1ef5ja0537494427f2d77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811061730.50204.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811070205v418c1ef5ja0537494427f2d77@mail.gmail.com>
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I am a newbie to Kubuntu, and trying to kmail configuired with hotmail,yahoo and alphalink ISP's
but having trouble, so can anyone help
 
ray> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:05:42 -0500> From: art.alexion at gmail.com> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: kmailrc> > you need more than that. Copy ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail from the old> computer as well.> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM, jerry Lapham <rjlapham at cinci.rr.com> wrote:> > I'm trying to restore my kmail accounts and filters with a backup of kmailrc.> > When I copy it and then start kmail it just overwrites kmailrc and leaves me> > without accounts and filters. How do I overcome that? I'm running Kubuntu> > 8.04 with KDE 3.5.9.> >> > -Jerry> > --> > =============================================> > Jerry Lapham> > Monroe, OH 45050> > rjlapham at cinci.rr.com> > =============================================> > "It's a bitmap," said Tom graphically.> >> > --> > kubuntu-users mailing list> > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users> >> > > > -- > > --> artAlexion> sent unsigned from webmail interface> > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Fri Nov  7 20:11:44 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:11:44 -0600
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811071236.42554.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>	<49144871.10209@swbell.net>
	<200811071236.42554.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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Art Alexion wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2008 8:53:53 am Billie Walsh wrote:
>   
>> I've asked this question before but no one seems to want to address it
>> so I will restate it in another form.
>>
>> _Who is holding a gun to your head to force you to change to 8.10/4.x????_
>>
>> I presume, from the tone of many, that 8.04/3.5.10 is installed on most
>> of your computers and working just fine. Doing what you want it to just
>> the way you want it done. 8.04 will be supported for at least the next
>> year and the "Ubuntu" part of it for another year plus after that.
>>
>> I'll answer my own question.
>>
>> _NO ONE!!_
>>
>> Here's the conundrum for the developers. They only have so much man
>> power to develop Kubuntu or KDE. Right now KDE is going through a major
>> change so _all_ their efforts need to be focused on making it work,
>> leaving no time available to work on KDE 3.x. The Kubuntu developers had
>> to make a decision based on this fact. Right or wrong I'm sure they made
>> what to them seemed the best [ most logical ?? ] choice knowing full
>> well that 8.04 would be supported, and stable/usable, for at _least_
>> another year.
>>
>> If it's a production machine stick with 8.04/3.5.10 for at least the
>> next year. If it's a play computer and your willing to put up with KDE
>> 4.x while they get it "fixed", go for it. If your handing someone a
>> disk, give them 8.04/3.5.10 and tell them not to upgrade till at least
>> next spring and more likely next fall. It's not that hard to figure out.
>>
>> I have an OLD 386 Bondwell laptop under my desk that still runs DOS 6.22
>> and Windows 3.1 just fine. That softwareis at least thirteen years past
>> it's "expiration date". It still does what it's supposed to do. Old
>> software/OS's don't die just because they have been replaced
>>     
>
> OK, Billie, what do I do if I buy a new machine in the next year with hardware 
> that isn't supported by 8.04, but is supported by 8.10?  What do I install?
> The answer could be gnome, or possibly an entirely different distro.  But 
> that's a shame, because I have worked with Ubuntu since 2004 and I am 
> comfortable with it.  And before Kubuntu was available, you could still "sudo 
> apt-get install kde" on Warty.
>
> I don't control the distro and can't force its direction.  All I can do, with 
> many of the others here, is try to influence its future path with our 
> comments and posts.
>   


Do you _really_ expect hardware to make such a quantum leap that it 
can't be used? Do you have some "insider" information that we all should 
know about? *<];o)

OK, to answer your question.

Well................... If its about March I would install Kubuntu 9.04. 
If its about November I would install Kubuntu 9.10.

Hey, you asked.


KDE 4.x will never be KDE 3.5.x. Thats a fact that can't be changed. 
However, I do believe that within the next year it will improve by leaps 
and bounds. I installed 8.10/4.1 on my computer on a separate hard drive 
and have been playing with it a bit. Now, I'm no power user and my 
computer wouldn't qualify as a "production machine" because I mostly 
surf and do e-mail. There are things I don't like, BUT there are some 
things I quite like. The more I play with it the more it grows on me. 
I'm getting some of my files moved over and pushing buttons to see how 
long it takes me to break it. However, I have no intention of scrapping 
my 8.04/3.5.10 install anytime soon, but if I see it getting better I 
just might.

Just think. When KDE 5 comes out we will have this whole thing to go 
through again. By then KDE 4.x will be every bodies mostest favorite 
ever. Someone else already mentioned the flap when KDE 3 came out.

Influencing it's [ KDE ] possible future direction would probably be 
best done on a list that is more involved with the developers. Does no 
good here. I can barely program my VCR. *<]:oD

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 20:29:39 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:29:39 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <4914A100.9090905@swbell.net>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811071236.42554.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<4914A100.9090905@swbell.net>
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On Friday 07 November 2008 3:11:44 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
> Well................... If its about March I would install Kubuntu 9.04.
> If its about November I would install Kubuntu 9.10.

There was no upgrade path Dapper -> Feisty or Dapper -> Gutsy without first 
upgrading to Edgy.  The double (or triple) upgrade was doable, but both a 
PITA and an opportunity for unintended mischief.

Will there be a direct upgrade path 8.04 -> 9.04 or 9.10?
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 20:42:01 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:42:01 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
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On Friday 07 November 2008 3:11:44 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
> KDE 4.x will never be KDE 3.5.x

Duh.... :^)


And eventually 4.x will be quite stable, dependable and configurable, and I 
will be thrilled, thrilled, thrilled to use it.  I will also be grateful to 
its developers and all of the early adopters who relentlessly filed  bug 
reports.

In the meantime, I use Linux to earn a living.  I need it to work so that I 
can concentrate on administering other people's computers and the network 
here.  I can't be spending my days getting my own computer to work.

I am typing this in the KDE 4.1 of 8.04.  I like the fact that I can try it 
from time to time and judge its progress, and explore the differences.  I 
will not soon be installing Intrepid because I can't switch back to KDE 3.5 
when I don't have time to fool around.

In a way, I wish I had more time to play with it.  I haven't found a reason to 
switch because I haven't found anything I can do better in it.  More fooling 
around may let me find things like that.

I installed Debian Lenny on my test computer.  Once I am comfortable with it 
and have it configured, I will make it my production computer.  Then I will 
upgrade this computer to 8.10 for more exploration.

How about somebody who really likes KDE 4 list some NON-COSMETIC things it 
does better than 3.5 that would convince one to switch now?
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 20:43:47 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:43:47 -0500
Subject: kmailrc
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On Friday 07 November 2008 2:52:01 pm Ray Burke wrote:
> I am a newbie to Kubuntu, and trying to kmail configuired with
> hotmail,yahoo and alphalink ISP's but having trouble, so can anyone help

I can definitely help you with yahoo.  Let's tackle that first, and we'll try 
the others later.

First tell me what you are doing that is giving you trouble?

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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  7 21:05:08 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:05:08 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
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References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>	<49144871.10209@swbell.net>	<200811071236.42554.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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Billie Walsh wrote:
> Art Alexion wrote:
>   
>> On Friday 07 November 2008 8:53:53 am Billie Walsh wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> I've asked this question before but no one seems to want to address it
>>> so I will restate it in another form.
>>>
>>> _Who is holding a gun to your head to force you to change to 8.10/4.x????_
>>>
>>> I presume, from the tone of many, that 8.04/3.5.10 is installed on most
>>> of your computers and working just fine. Doing what you want it to just
>>> the way you want it done. 8.04 will be supported for at least the next
>>> year and the "Ubuntu" part of it for another year plus after that.
>>>
>>> I'll answer my own question.
>>>
>>> _NO ONE!!_
>>>
>>> Here's the conundrum for the developers. They only have so much man
>>> power to develop Kubuntu or KDE. Right now KDE is going through a major
>>> change so _all_ their efforts need to be focused on making it work,
>>> leaving no time available to work on KDE 3.x. The Kubuntu developers had
>>> to make a decision based on this fact. Right or wrong I'm sure they made
>>> what to them seemed the best [ most logical ?? ] choice knowing full
>>> well that 8.04 would be supported, and stable/usable, for at _least_
>>> another year.
>>>
>>> If it's a production machine stick with 8.04/3.5.10 for at least the
>>> next year. If it's a play computer and your willing to put up with KDE
>>> 4.x while they get it "fixed", go for it. If your handing someone a
>>> disk, give them 8.04/3.5.10 and tell them not to upgrade till at least
>>> next spring and more likely next fall. It's not that hard to figure out.
>>>
>>> I have an OLD 386 Bondwell laptop under my desk that still runs DOS 6.22
>>> and Windows 3.1 just fine. That softwareis at least thirteen years past
>>> it's "expiration date". It still does what it's supposed to do. Old
>>> software/OS's don't die just because they have been replaced
>>>     
>>>       
>> OK, Billie, what do I do if I buy a new machine in the next year with hardware 
>> that isn't supported by 8.04, but is supported by 8.10?  What do I install?
>> The answer could be gnome, or possibly an entirely different distro.  But 
>> that's a shame, because I have worked with Ubuntu since 2004 and I am 
>> comfortable with it.  And before Kubuntu was available, you could still "sudo 
>> apt-get install kde" on Warty.
>>
>> I don't control the distro and can't force its direction.  All I can do, with 
>> many of the others here, is try to influence its future path with our 
>> comments and posts.
>>   
>>     
>
>
> Do you _really_ expect hardware to make such a quantum leap that it 
> can't be used? Do you have some "insider" information that we all should 
> know about? *<];o)
>
> OK, to answer your question.
>
> Well................... If its about March I would install Kubuntu 9.04. 
> If its about November I would install Kubuntu 9.10.
>
> Hey, you asked.
>
>
> KDE 4.x will never be KDE 3.5.x. Thats a fact that can't be changed. 
> However, I do believe that within the next year it will improve by leaps 
> and bounds. I installed 8.10/4.1 on my computer on a separate hard drive 
> and have been playing with it a bit. Now, I'm no power user and my 
> computer wouldn't qualify as a "production machine" because I mostly 
> surf and do e-mail. There are things I don't like, BUT there are some 
> things I quite like. The more I play with it the more it grows on me. 
> I'm getting some of my files moved over and pushing buttons to see how 
> long it takes me to break it. However, I have no intention of scrapping 
> my 8.04/3.5.10 install anytime soon, but if I see it getting better I 
> just might.
>
> Just think. When KDE 5 comes out we will have this whole thing to go 
> through again. By then KDE 4.x will be every bodies mostest favorite 
> ever. Someone else already mentioned the flap when KDE 3 came out.
>
> Influencing it's [ KDE ] possible future direction would probably be 
> best done on a list that is more involved with the developers. Does no 
> good here. I can barely program my VCR. *<]:oD
>
>   
Here is what I did.  I upgraded to 8.10, then downgraded KDE4 to 
KDE3.5.9 then upgraded to 3.5.10; so now I have 8.10 as an operating 
system and KDE 3.5.10 for a desktop and everything works fine.  When 
KDE4 is fixed, I will upgrade again, but everything works fine with the 
latest release of Kubuntu and the stable release of KDE.  I don't know 
what is different in operating that way, but it works fine, so I will 
have less to adjust to when 4 is stable.   Hope I didn't confuse 
anyone.  Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  7 21:12:35 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:12:35 -0500
Subject: question on screenshots
In-Reply-To: <200811071000.52124.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<200811051955.25716.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<200811071000.52124.gloonie@earthlink.net>
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Glenn R Williams wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I may be doing something wrong, but I can't get KDE to copy a screenshot or 
> window to the clipboard. When I look at system settings, it says that both 
> Ctrl-Print and Alt-Print are set, but when I use these combinations, nothing 
> seems to happen.
>
> Can someone tell me how to take a screnshot of a window or the desktop?
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Glenn
>
>   
When I want a screen print, I click on the keyboard *Print Screen* key.  
>From there it is self explanatory.  I am older and my memory is a little 
evasive, and I remember vaguely of someone helping me with the problem 
in the past, however, if what I just suggested doesn't work for you, let 
me know and I will try to find my notes on that result.  
svollom at gmail.com  I hope this works for you.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  7 21:16:43 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:16:43 -0500
Subject: Typing a reply in an email, can it be automatically be converted
	to a working link for the receiver?
Message-ID: <4914B03B.8030204@sbcglobal.net>

Years ago I used XP and Outlook.  When I sent or received an email, any 
web address or email address that was included in the body of the email 
was automatically hot.  When you clicked on it, you immediately were 
sent to that address.  Can that be done in Kubuntu 8.10 KDE3.5.10 
Thunderbird?

TIA,
Steven



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 21:19:59 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:19:59 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <4914AD84.3060406@sbcglobal.net>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<4914A100.9090905@swbell.net> <4914AD84.3060406@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811071620.14899.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008 4:05:08 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> Here is what I did.  I upgraded to 8.10, then downgraded KDE4 to
> KDE3.5.9 then upgraded to 3.5.10; so now I have 8.10 as an operating
> system and KDE 3.5.10 for a desktop and everything works fine.

How did you "downgrade to 3.5.9"?
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From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 21:23:39 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:23:39 +1100
Subject: kmailrc
In-Reply-To: <200811071543.47668.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811061730.50204.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
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Art,
 
I bring up kmail(kontact) window and in the header saying e-mail (Kontact)
and in the outbox shows 16 with 2.5mb but when I click on it it just dissappears,
so not sure if set up right?????
 
ray
PS as I said before I think it is 3.5.9 the kbe version as shows under help in Karm
 
> From: art.alexion at gmail.com> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: kmailrc> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:43:47 -0500> > On Friday 07 November 2008 2:52:01 pm Ray Burke wrote:> > I am a newbie to Kubuntu, and trying to kmail configuired with> > hotmail,yahoo and alphalink ISP's but having trouble, so can anyone help> > I can definitely help you with yahoo. Let's tackle that first, and we'll try > the others later.> > First tell me what you are doing that is giving you trouble?> 
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 21:28:20 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:28:20 -0500
Subject: Typing a reply in an email,
	can it be automatically be converted to a working link for the
	receiver?
In-Reply-To: <4914B03B.8030204@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4914B03B.8030204@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811071628.20729.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008 4:16:43 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> Years ago I used XP and Outlook.  When I sent or received an email, any
> web address or email address that was included in the body of the email
> was automatically hot.  When you clicked on it, you immediately were
> sent to that address.  Can that be done in Kubuntu 8.10 KDE3.5.10
> Thunderbird?

That is handled by the recipient's mail reader, unless you are sending html 
mail and configure a link in the mail you compose.
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 21:31:58 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:31:58 -0500
Subject: kmailrc
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W102B86FE0243084C5A785CD190@phx.gbl>
References: <200811061730.50204.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
	<200811071543.47668.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<BLU143-W102B86FE0243084C5A785CD190@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200811071631.58357.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008 4:23:39 pm Ray Burke wrote:
> I bring up kmail(kontact) window and in the header saying e-mail (Kontact)
>  and in the outbox shows 16 with 2.5mb but when I click on it it just
> dissappears, so not sure if set up right?????

Click the settins menu, then Configure Kmail, then on the left click accounts.  
That gives you a list of accounts.  Is your Yahoo account there?

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From k7qo at commspeed.net  Fri Nov  7 21:33:16 2008
From: k7qo at commspeed.net (chuck adams)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:33:16 -0700
Subject: Kubuntu 8.04.1 audacity version
Message-ID: <200811071433.16246.k7qo@commspeed.net>


Last weekend I needed to record some audio for long
periods of time, so I did a  "sudo apt-get install audacity".

I started it up and noted that it was a beta version.

1.  Why a beta version?

Come to find out, after I had recorded some six hours
of audio unattended that there are several problems
What was wrong with the standard release that it
wasn't included in the repo?

thanks in advance,

chuck




From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 21:57:41 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:57:41 +0100
Subject: Konqueror 4.1.3 and service menus
Message-ID: <b8d784880811071357y3f985562md36b506f99167f9f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I installed konq-kim (from repro) a konqueror service menu for
manipulating images from within konqueror. It has a dependency,
konqueror 4.1.3 so it should work with konqueror 4 right? But when
right clicking in konqueror on a image to bring up the menu I don't
have any kim menu or other "services"  menus there. Is this a bug?

/ Jonas



From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Fri Nov  7 22:23:05 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:23:05 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811071542.06396.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<4914A100.9090905@swbell.net>
	<200811071542.06396.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811071723.05757.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
> I am typing this in the KDE 4.1 of 8.04.  I like the fact that I can try it
> from time to time and judge its progress, and explore the differences.  I
> will not soon be installing Intrepid because I can't switch back to KDE 3.5
> when I don't have time to fool around.

You could always compile it yourself. It's a good learning experience and 
produces a slick 3.5.



From james at gray.net.au  Fri Nov  7 23:50:32 2008
From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:50:32 +1100
Subject: Konqueror-only proxy?
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811060945u292e2b92qe3cfb43d15aada4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15edeae40811060945u292e2b92qe3cfb43d15aada4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <861F50B8-8BCC-428C-9BCC-6F902FCE3B00@gray.net.au>


On 07/11/2008, at 4:45 AM, Willy Hamra wrote:

> hi, is there a way to let Konqueror use a proxy, but not the whole KDE
> system? if i specify a proxy in konqueror's settings, i see this proxy
> in systemsettings as well, and all kde apps would be using it. is
> there anyway i let _only_ konqueror use the proxy?
> the proxy is a caching program, that caused me some trouble with other
> application, specially amarok, which isn't capable of fetching lyrics
> anymore, unless i disale the use of this proxy.
> using kubuntu intrepid, KDE 4.1.2, 32-bit
> any help is appreciated

I hope the answer for you is "yes" but from my experience, the proxy  
is persistent across applications in the KDE suite.  To work around  
it, I ended up using Firefox with a proxy, and disabled the proxy in  
KDE's config. :(

My Mac's also suffer from this affliction - you set the proxy in  
network settings which apply to basically everything :P

-- 
James
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  8 03:09:24 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:09:24 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811071620.14899.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>	<4914A100.9090905@swbell.net>
	<4914AD84.3060406@sbcglobal.net>
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Message-ID: <491502E4.10806@sbcglobal.net>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2008 4:05:08 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Here is what I did.  I upgraded to 8.10, then downgraded KDE4 to
>> KDE3.5.9 then upgraded to 3.5.10; so now I have 8.10 as an operating
>> system and KDE 3.5.10 for a desktop and everything works fine.
>>     
>
> How did you "downgrade to 3.5.9"?
>   
If I remember correctly, I installed 3.5.9 (I am pretty sure it was 
identified as KDE only, not KDE 3.5.9)[I just went to Adept to see, and 
I am sure I installed KDE, which was KDE3.5.9] using Adept Package 
manager, then removed all KDE4 installations before rebooting.  I am 
older and have a poor memory, but I remember going through the thought 
procedure of how I could remove and still have a desktop to reboot to.  
That may not be the correct procedure, but after I completed the task it 
worked and worked well.

I may have done it another way, I am not sure.  I am just learning Linux 
and don't have any help other than this email forum.  When I want to do 
something and don't have anyone to get the answer from, I simply 
experiment.  I may very well just have been lucky.  But it worked.  I 
just hated KDE4.  There is a page I like to refer to in 3.5.9 for 
various reasons.  System Settings/Advanced Tab/ Disk&Filesystems.  When 
I upgraded to KDE4, I lost that option.  It was important because I have 
several hard drives and partitions and need the ability to fix problems 
with same.  Having to experiment so much when I learn, this was an 
important feature for me to use, so rather than learn how to get the 
info using KDE4, I took the easier way out.  I know I tried first, I 
just wasn't able to figure the KDE4 way to get that page.  Additionally, 
you are probably able to solve similar problems using the terminal; I am 
not very good at that yet.

Crashing and starting over seems the best way for me to learn, but with 
a declining memory, I haven't always saved data that helps that poor 
memory, so when I crash without having saved some of my fixes, that 
haven't settled into memory yet, I lose the steps.  I think that is the 
case here.

But in answer to your question, I just thought the process out in my way 
and the logical solution was as I relate.  If it doesn't make sense, 
don't try it.  Recovering from a crash almost always causes a person to 
lose some important data.

You have helped me before Alex.  Good to communicate again.  I stay away 
mostly, because I don't have confidence in my judgment yet.  Too much to 
learn, before I try to give someone else advice.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  8 03:12:30 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:12:30 -0500
Subject: Typing a reply in an email, can it be automatically be converted
	to a working link for the	receiver?
In-Reply-To: <200811071628.20729.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <4914B03B.8030204@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811071628.20729.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4915039E.4070806@sbcglobal.net>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2008 4:16:43 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Years ago I used XP and Outlook.  When I sent or received an email, any
>> web address or email address that was included in the body of the email
>> was automatically hot.  When you clicked on it, you immediately were
>> sent to that address.  Can that be done in Kubuntu 8.10 KDE3.5.10
>> Thunderbird?
>>     
>
> That is handled by the recipient's mail reader, unless you are sending html 
> mail and configure a link in the mail you compose.
>   
Hi again Alex,

I am one of those recipients.  I just received an email from my daughter 
and wanted to click on the link that she supplied and had to cut and 
paste it into the address bar to get to that site.  I much rather would 
have liked just clicking on the link she provided and be forwarded to 
that location.  That is how it worked using Outlook.  There isn't much I 
prefer in Microsoft products, but that was one of them.

Cordially friend,
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  8 03:26:25 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:26:25 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811071723.05757.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>	<4914A100.9090905@swbell.net>	<200811071542.06396.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811071723.05757.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
Message-ID: <491506E1.1030208@sbcglobal.net>

Brendan wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
>   
>> I am typing this in the KDE 4.1 of 8.04.  I like the fact that I can try it
>> from time to time and judge its progress, and explore the differences.  I
>> will not soon be installing Intrepid because I can't switch back to KDE 3.5
>> when I don't have time to fool around.
>>     
>
> You could always compile it yourself. It's a good learning experience and 
> produces a slick 3.5.
>
>   
I switched back to 3.5.9 and retained 8.10.  I am old with a poor 
memory, but I think I just went into Adept Package Manager, located 
'kde' and installed.  That was 3.5.9 at the time.  Then I removed all of 
kde4 before rebooting.  In the end everything worked out fine and I 
returned to the better kde application.  I like Kubuntu 8.10.  It works 
great for me; it was KDE4 that I didn't care for.
Steven



From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com  Sat Nov  8 03:37:13 2008
From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:37:13 -0500
Subject: kmailrc
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811070205v418c1ef5ja0537494427f2d77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811061730.50204.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811070205v418c1ef5ja0537494427f2d77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811072237.14033.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008 5:05:42 am Art Alexion wrote:
> you need more than that.  Copy ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail from the old
> computer as well.
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM, jerry Lapham <rjlapham at cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> > I'm trying to restore my kmail accounts and filters with a backup of
> > kmailrc. When I copy it and then start kmail it just overwrites kmailrc
> > and leaves me without accounts and filters.  How do I overcome that?  I'm
> > running Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.9.
> >

I finally gave up and reinput my accounts and filters.  I already had 
everything else.

	-Jerry
-- 
=============================================
Jerry Lapham
Monroe, OH  45050
rjlapham at cinci.rr.com
=============================================
Dopeler effect (n) The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come 
at you rapidly.



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sat Nov  8 04:37:24 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:37:24 -0600
Subject: Typing a reply in an email, can it be automatically be converted
	to a working link for the	receiver?
In-Reply-To: <4915039E.4070806@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4914B03B.8030204@sbcglobal.net>	<200811071628.20729.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<4915039E.4070806@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49151784.6070801@swbell.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Art Alexion wrote:
>   
>> On Friday 07 November 2008 4:16:43 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Years ago I used XP and Outlook.  When I sent or received an email, any
>>> web address or email address that was included in the body of the email
>>> was automatically hot.  When you clicked on it, you immediately were
>>> sent to that address.  Can that be done in Kubuntu 8.10 KDE3.5.10
>>> Thunderbird?
>>>     
>>>       
>> That is handled by the recipient's mail reader, unless you are sending html 
>> mail and configure a link in the mail you compose.
>>   
>>     
> Hi again Alex,
>
> I am one of those recipients.  I just received an email from my daughter 
> and wanted to click on the link that she supplied and had to cut and 
> paste it into the address bar to get to that site.  I much rather would 
> have liked just clicking on the link she provided and be forwarded to 
> that location.  That is how it worked using Outlook.  There isn't much I 
> prefer in Microsoft products, but that was one of them.
>
> Cordially friend,
> Steven
>
>   
In Thunderbird:

Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Config Editor

Right click > New> String

add:

network.protocol-handler.app.http

firefox

Right click > New > String

add:

network,protocol-handler.app.https

firefox

Right click > New > string

add:

network.protocol-handler.app.ftp

firefox

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 05:44:39 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:44:39 -0600
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811071542.06396.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<4914A100.9090905@swbell.net>
	<200811071542.06396.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811072344.40124.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

On Friday 07 November 2008 2:42:01 pm Art Alexion wrote:
> How about somebody who really likes KDE 4 list some NON-COSMETIC things it
> does better than 3.5 that would convince one to switch now?

First of all, the "show widgets" icon is so much more useful to me than the 
"show desktop" one ever was.  Without messing with the order of the window 
stack, I can launch something from the desktop folder and have everything 
immediately come back.  And then there are the widgets themselves.  The 
calculator definitely won't fit everyone's needs, but when I need to do a 
quick calculation that won't be done quick enough in my head but isn't enough 
reason to launch kcalc, I show the widgets, do my little calculation and go 
back without losing order again.  The dictionary is very handy with my writing 
and again easy to access with the show widgets icon.  In unstable, there's a 
new "text snippets" one where you can set text that you commonly paste (the 
default ones are the date and a random password) and when you select them, it 
puts them in the clipboard.  I love that one.  And two instances of the 
picture view widget give me two pictures of my sweet darlin' to look at when I 
feel the need and don't you dare tell me that's cosmetic.

It took me a bit to get used to the new K menu, but now that I have, the old 
one is so lacking to me.  I love the fact that you can set your favorite 
programs - any that you choose - to be the first that show up when you click 
on the K.

A cosmetic change which has some good utility is the flip switcher for 
alt+tab.  Being able to look at the programs as you're tabbing through them 
makes it a lot easier when you have many windows open.  Even setting 
background windows to a certain translucency has its uses.

I like a lot of the changes to the various programs that come with KDE4, but I 
won't go on about them (except to say that the new kmines rocks as the first 
click always gives you a contiguous blank space :D ) because you asked about 
KDE4 itself.  I know there's more that I like, but I can't think of them at 
the moment - I'm notorious for that.  Anyway, I think I made a good list.

Oh, and if you haven't checked out the video player dragonplayer, it's pretty 
neat and simple, which I like.



From kassube at gmx.net  Sat Nov  8 06:00:41 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:00:41 +0100
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811071620.14899.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<4914AD84.3060406@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811071620.14899.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811080700.41863.kassube@gmx.net>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2008 4:05:08 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> > Here is what I did.  I upgraded to 8.10, then downgraded KDE4 to
> > KDE3.5.9 then upgraded to 3.5.10; so now I have 8.10 as an operating
> > system and KDE 3.5.10 for a desktop and everything works fine.
>
> How did you "downgrade to 3.5.9"?

Mario Vukelic posted this link on the ubuntu-users list the other day: 
<http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695>


Nils



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 06:28:09 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:28:09 +1000
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <200811072344.40124.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811071542.06396.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811072344.40124.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200811081628.09592.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 03:44:39 pm Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2008 2:42:01 pm Art Alexion wrote:
> > How about somebody who really likes KDE 4 list some NON-COSMETIC things
> > it does better than 3.5 that would convince one to switch now?
>
> First of all, the "show widgets" icon is so much more useful to me than the
> "show desktop" one ever was.  Without messing with the order of the window
> stack, I can launch something from the desktop folder and have everything
> immediately come back.  

Thanks for that - I hadn't clicked as to why it was useful. I used to always 
minimise windows to get at the desktop - now no need to, just have to break 
the habit now :)

And the new menu does grow on you - I used to hate it, thought it was the 
worst thing *evah*  Now I miss it when in other environments. I like Lancelot 
and have it as well, but still use the K-Menu more.

I think its a matter of forcing ourselves to try new things, we get to set in 
our ways and need to shake things up once in a while, especially when we get 
the visceral knee-jerk reaction of "This is Crap/Stupid/etc" A sign perhaps 
that we are too comfortable in our assumptions and they are being challenged.


Its early days yet, but already we're starting to see new and interesting 
plasmoids turn up. I expect to see a creative explosion of them as KDE4 
becomes better known, something that won't happen under gnome as the framework 
isn't there.

I would like to see plasmoids be extended to all of KDE if possible, so that 
writing extensions for konqueror and Kontact could become as easy as it is for 
Firefox and Thunderbird.



-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 06:29:13 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:29:13 +1000
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <4912E419.5080702@gmail.com>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<4912E419.5080702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811081629.13944.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:33:29 pm Alexander Smirnov wrote:
> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > I would like to try some KDE4 development - apps and plasmoids. However
> > KDevelop seems somewhat lacking on direct KDE4 support - no wizards etc.
> > Or have I missed the right packages for installation? Could anyone point
> > me in the right direction?
>
> http://kde.org/getinvolved/development/
> welcome!


Thanks Alexander, I'm checking it out - not sure if its going to help me get 
KDevelop configured however, but there are probably more appropriate lists to 
ask those questions on there.
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From girardhenri at free.fr  Sat Nov  8 07:28:37 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:28:37 +0100
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <200811081629.13944.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com><4912E419.5080702@gmail.com>
	<200811081629.13944.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40B681535A9C44AA90268036FE41C1CB@zi>

maybe you could try kde-nighty
it works fine for me : intel coreduo intrepid (upgrade from 8.0.4 because 
kernel 2.62.27 doesn't work on my 64 bits amd)
regards
Henri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lindsay Mathieson" <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>
To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: KDE4 Development


> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:33:29 pm Alexander Smirnov wrote:
>> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>> > I would like to try some KDE4 development - apps and plasmoids. However
>> > KDevelop seems somewhat lacking on direct KDE4 support - no wizards 
>> > etc.
>> > Or have I missed the right packages for installation? Could anyone 
>> > point
>> > me in the right direction?
>>
>> http://kde.org/getinvolved/development/
>> welcome!
>
>
> Thanks Alexander, I'm checking it out - not sure if its going to help me 
> get
> KDevelop configured however, but there are probably more appropriate lists 
> to
> ask those questions on there.
> -- 
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album
>
>
> -- 
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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> 





From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 07:51:26 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:51:26 +1000
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <40B681535A9C44AA90268036FE41C1CB@zi>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811081629.13944.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<40B681535A9C44AA90268036FE41C1CB@zi>
Message-ID: <200811081751.26510.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:28:37 pm Girard Henri wrote:
> maybe you could try kde-nighty
> it works fine for me : intel coreduo intrepid (upgrade from 8.0.4 because
> kernel 2.62.27 doesn't work on my 64 bits amd)
> regards
> Henri

Do you mean Project Neon?
  https://launchpad.net/project-neon

Its doesn't include KDevelop in its builds does it?

Still I've got release running pretty sweet now, time to break it :)

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From girardhenri at free.fr  Sat Nov  8 08:45:50 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:45:50 +0100
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <200811081751.26510.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811081629.13944.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<40B681535A9C44AA90268036FE41C1CB@zi>
	<200811081751.26510.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226133950.8789.2.camel@ri>

yes... no kdevelop (pity)
More that's why I tried it i thaught i would get kdevelop
no i will try to do it by hand :)
did you install it ? neon

Le samedi 08 novembre 2008 à 17:51 +1000, Lindsay Mathieson a écrit :
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:28:37 pm Girard Henri wrote:
> > maybe you could try kde-nighty
> > it works fine for me : intel coreduo intrepid (upgrade from 8.0.4 because
> > kernel 2.62.27 doesn't work on my 64 bits amd)
> > regards
> > Henri
> 
> Do you mean Project Neon?
>   https://launchpad.net/project-neon
> 
> Its doesn't include KDevelop in its builds does it?
> 
> Still I've got release running pretty sweet now, time to break it :)
> 
> -- 
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 
> 
> 




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 08:55:10 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:55:10 +1000
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <1226133950.8789.2.camel@ri>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811081751.26510.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<1226133950.8789.2.camel@ri>
Message-ID: <200811081855.11034.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:45:50 pm Girard Henri wrote:
> yes... no kdevelop (pity)
> More that's why I tried it i thaught i would get kdevelop
> no i will try to do it by hand :)
> did you install it ? neon

Nope, decided I wasn't game :) Might try with a virtual machine.

Will have another go at compiling kdevelop from truck, last I tried it 
required KDE 4.1.3 (didn't have it then).


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 09:18:15 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:18:15 +1000
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <1226133950.8789.2.camel@ri>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811081751.26510.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<1226133950.8789.2.camel@ri>
Message-ID: <200811081918.15708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:45:50 pm Girard Henri wrote:
> yes... no kdevelop (pity)
> More that's why I tried it i thaught i would get kdevelop
> no i will try to do it by hand :)
> did you install it ? neon

This might interest you:

  http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/

This installable 1.1.72 Live-CD contains a snapshot of KDE 4.2 development and 
Amarok, Digikam, KTorrent, K3b, KOffice2 development releases. 

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From kevinsiji at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 10:27:15 2008
From: kevinsiji at gmail.com (kevin)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:57:15 +0530
Subject: Typing a reply in an email,
	can it be automatically be converted to a working link for 
	=?utf-8?q?the=09receiver=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <49151784.6070801@swbell.net>
References: <4914B03B.8030204@sbcglobal.net> <4915039E.4070806@sbcglobal.net>
	<49151784.6070801@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200811081557.16121.kevinsiji@gmail.com>

On Saturday 08 November 2008 10:07:24 Billie Walsh wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
> > Art Alexion wrote:
> >> On Friday 07 November 2008 4:16:43 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> >>> Years ago I used XP and Outlook.  When I sent or received an email, any
> >>> web address or email address that was included in the body of the email
> >>> was automatically hot.  When you clicked on it, you immediately were
> >>> sent to that address.  Can that be done in Kubuntu 8.10 KDE3.5.10
> >>> Thunderbird?
> >>
> >> That is handled by the recipient's mail reader, unless you are sending
> >> html mail and configure a link in the mail you compose.
> >
> > Hi again Alex,
> >
> > I am one of those recipients.  I just received an email from my daughter
> > and wanted to click on the link that she supplied and had to cut and
> > paste it into the address bar to get to that site.  I much rather would
> > have liked just clicking on the link she provided and be forwarded to
> > that location.  That is how it worked using Outlook.  There isn't much I
> > prefer in Microsoft products, but that was one of them.
> >
> > Cordially friend,
> > Steven
>
> In Thunderbird:
>
> Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Config Editor
>
> Right click > New> String
>
> add:
>
> network.protocol-handler.app.http
>
> firefox
>
> Right click > New > String
>
> add:
>
> network,protocol-handler.app.https
>
> firefox
>
> Right click > New > string
>
> add:
>
> network.protocol-handler.app.ftp
>
> firefox
>
> --
> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.

using Kmail, I don't face such a problem of doing settings manually. It simply 
opens the websites if clicked on a url (opens in Konqueror of course). Is 
thunderbird any different?
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From grey at dmiyu.org  Sat Nov  8 11:56:58 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 03:56:58 -0800
Subject: Typing a reply in an email, can it be automatically be converted
	to a working link for  the receiver?
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kevin wrote:
> using Kmail, I don't face such a problem of doing settings manually. It
> simply opens the websites if clicked on a url (opens in Konqueror of
> course). Is thunderbird any different?

    No.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  8 12:56:38 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 07:56:38 -0500
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
Message-ID: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>

Over the past year I have accumulated the components for a new 
computer.  I will be changing to 64 bit.

Not having a 64 bit system, I have not been paying attention to the 
unique problems 64 bit users have had when installing and configuring a 
Kubuntu OS.  I would like to begin with a stable application, so which 
version should I start with?

*The following is a request for advice on installing new equipment; 
since it doesn't concern Kubuntu, don't use your time reading it unless 
you have the time and/or experience to advise on assembly.
*
The motherboard and case are in transit right now as the last components 
necessary to build a functioning 64 bit system.

The motherboard is a rather sophisticated unit, and I have some concerns 
about assembly.  If anyone has assembled a computer using an ASUS 
Mempipe motherboard would you advise any particular problem I may 
encounter installing the cooling system, or for that matter, any other 
area of concern when assembling a new system?

I have never purchased and installed a new processor, but I am told the 
one I bought generates a lot of heat immediately, so I want to make sure 
I install it properly before firing up for the first time.  There seems 
to be a pre-coated area for contact between the processor and the heat 
sink.  Is that sufficient, or do I need to apply a coating made for that 
purpose?  I have heard of such a procedure.  The processor is an AMD 
quad 9600.

On a rather fortunate last moment bid for some memory on Ebay, I 
purchased 12gb of Axiom ECC DDR2 memory.  I got it all for the minimum 
opening bid, so I have more memory than my board can handle and will 
probably have as much memory as I can use for the first time in my 
life.  The motherboard can handle 8gb.

If my luck holds, I will win the bid on an 800W power supply which is 
suitable for the components I have.  Can I install that after installing 
the other components, or is there a potential hazard in choosing that 
order of installation?

I am a little cautious because I am probably over my head with this 
installation, so should I only start with one 2gb stick, or should I go 
ahead and install all 8gb?  The complicated assembly of the heat pipe 
system of cooling for the memory makes me want to install it all at the 
same time, but I don't know if that is wise.

If I have infringed on the etiquette of this forum by adding this 
assembly information request, I am very sorry.  Please advise so that I 
don't screw up again.

Thanks for any help,
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  8 12:58:10 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 07:58:10 -0500
Subject: Typing a reply in an email, can it be automatically be converted
	to a working link for  the receiver?  RESOLVED.
In-Reply-To: <49157E8A.2010208@dmiyu.org>
References: <4914B03B.8030204@sbcglobal.net>	<4915039E.4070806@sbcglobal.net>	<49151784.6070801@swbell.net>	<200811081557.16121.kevinsiji@gmail.com>
	<49157E8A.2010208@dmiyu.org>
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Steve Lamb wrote:
> kevin wrote:
>   
>> using Kmail, I don't face such a problem of doing settings manually. It
>> simply opens the websites if clicked on a url (opens in Konqueror of
>> course). Is thunderbird any different?
>>     
>
>     No
>  Thanks to all who helped?
>   



From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com  Sat Nov  8 13:18:25 2008
From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:18:25 -0500
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
In-Reply-To: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491591A1.8020608@ajinfosearch.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Over the past year I have accumulated the components for a new 
> computer.  I will be changing to 64 bit.
> 
> Not having a 64 bit system, I have not been paying attention to the 
> unique problems 64 bit users have had when installing and configuring a 
> Kubuntu OS.  I would like to begin with a stable application, so which 
> version should I start with?
> 
> *The following is a request for advice on installing new equipment; 
> since it doesn't concern Kubuntu, don't use your time reading it unless 
> you have the time and/or experience to advise on assembly.
> *
> The motherboard and case are in transit right now as the last components 
> necessary to build a functioning 64 bit system.
> 
> The motherboard is a rather sophisticated unit, and I have some concerns 
> about assembly.  If anyone has assembled a computer using an ASUS 
> Mempipe motherboard would you advise any particular problem I may 
> encounter installing the cooling system, or for that matter, any other 
> area of concern when assembling a new system?
> 
> I have never purchased and installed a new processor, but I am told the 
> one I bought generates a lot of heat immediately, so I want to make sure 
> I install it properly before firing up for the first time.  There seems 
> to be a pre-coated area for contact between the processor and the heat 
> sink.  Is that sufficient, or do I need to apply a coating made for that 
> purpose?  I have heard of such a procedure.  The processor is an AMD 
> quad 9600.
> 
> On a rather fortunate last moment bid for some memory on Ebay, I 
> purchased 12gb of Axiom ECC DDR2 memory.  I got it all for the minimum 
> opening bid, so I have more memory than my board can handle and will 
> probably have as much memory as I can use for the first time in my 
> life.  The motherboard can handle 8gb.
> 
> If my luck holds, I will win the bid on an 800W power supply which is 
> suitable for the components I have.  Can I install that after installing 
> the other components, or is there a potential hazard in choosing that 
> order of installation?
> 
> I am a little cautious because I am probably over my head with this 
> installation, so should I only start with one 2gb stick, or should I go 
> ahead and install all 8gb?  The complicated assembly of the heat pipe 
> system of cooling for the memory makes me want to install it all at the 
> same time, but I don't know if that is wise.
> 
> If I have infringed on the etiquette of this forum by adding this 
> assembly information request, I am very sorry.  Please advise so that I 
> don't screw up again.
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Steven
> 
I will not be any help on the 64-bit questions, but I do know something about 
putting all the parts together.  First thing I need is a list of your 
components.  What exact motherboard, the M3N-HT?  What video card, or are you 
using the onboard 780i?  Is your memory DDR3 1066?  Stock cooling fan?
To answer your cooling question, since it seems you have a pretty high-end setup 
(not ti mention a quad core!), I would say that you will _need_ to put a coating 
of silver paste between the cpu and the cooling fan.  If you do not have any 
yet, I would suggest the brand Arctic Silver.  The link on the bottom is an example.
You can always change a power supply at any time.  If you are installing linux, 
you do not need to worry about how much memory is in the board (at least I never 
had a problem)

Alan


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007
-- 
"The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated 
concept.
If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and 
actually grok it."
                                                                          - 
author unknown
Things I grok: 0



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 14:29:42 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:29:42 +1000
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <1226133950.8789.2.camel@ri>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811081751.26510.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<1226133950.8789.2.camel@ri>
Message-ID: <200811090029.42416.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:45:50 pm Girard Henri wrote:
> yes... no kdevelop (pity)
> More that's why I tried it i thaught i would get kdevelop
> no i will try to do it by hand :)
> did you install it ? neon

Just tried it now - it appears to be empty

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From girardhenri at free.fr  Sat Nov  8 14:48:05 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:48:05 +0100
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <200811090029.42416.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com><200811081751.26510.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com><1226133950.8789.2.camel@ri>
	<200811090029.42416.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8787DE32906F45598E86FD09F0606B25@zi>

what do you mean ?
you can set the repo in synaptic and then do an update et choosse kde-nighty
every day it updates.
create you a kde-nighty session (in /opt/kde-nighty)
but i couldn't compile kdevelop4 yet lack of libs
Meanwhile i look in suse but they are still a little late
i thaught one could install kdevelop4 but i didn't see it


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lindsay Mathieson" <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>
To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: KDE4 Development


> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:45:50 pm Girard Henri wrote:
>> yes... no kdevelop (pity)
>> More that's why I tried it i thaught i would get kdevelop
>> no i will try to do it by hand :)
>> did you install it ? neon
>
> Just tried it now - it appears to be empty
>
> -- 
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album
>
>
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From girardhenri at free.fr  Sat Nov  8 14:51:50 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:51:50 +0100
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
In-Reply-To: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <488F0BD413684E64AD45F48A85913408@zi>

i run intrepid 64 bits, before kutuntu/ubuntu for few years now.
i think is better starting with intrepid now.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Vollom" <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.


> Over the past year I have accumulated the components for a new
> computer.  I will be changing to 64 bit.
>
> Not having a 64 bit system, I have not been paying attention to the
> unique problems 64 bit users have had when installing and configuring a
> Kubuntu OS.  I would like to begin with a stable application, so which
> version should I start with?
>
> *The following is a request for advice on installing new equipment;
> since it doesn't concern Kubuntu, don't use your time reading it unless
> you have the time and/or experience to advise on assembly.
> *
> The motherboard and case are in transit right now as the last components
> necessary to build a functioning 64 bit system.
>
> The motherboard is a rather sophisticated unit, and I have some concerns
> about assembly.  If anyone has assembled a computer using an ASUS
> Mempipe motherboard would you advise any particular problem I may
> encounter installing the cooling system, or for that matter, any other
> area of concern when assembling a new system?
>
> I have never purchased and installed a new processor, but I am told the
> one I bought generates a lot of heat immediately, so I want to make sure
> I install it properly before firing up for the first time.  There seems
> to be a pre-coated area for contact between the processor and the heat
> sink.  Is that sufficient, or do I need to apply a coating made for that
> purpose?  I have heard of such a procedure.  The processor is an AMD
> quad 9600.
>
> On a rather fortunate last moment bid for some memory on Ebay, I
> purchased 12gb of Axiom ECC DDR2 memory.  I got it all for the minimum
> opening bid, so I have more memory than my board can handle and will
> probably have as much memory as I can use for the first time in my
> life.  The motherboard can handle 8gb.
>
> If my luck holds, I will win the bid on an 800W power supply which is
> suitable for the components I have.  Can I install that after installing
> the other components, or is there a potential hazard in choosing that
> order of installation?
>
> I am a little cautious because I am probably over my head with this
> installation, so should I only start with one 2gb stick, or should I go
> ahead and install all 8gb?  The complicated assembly of the heat pipe
> system of cooling for the memory makes me want to install it all at the
> same time, but I don't know if that is wise.
>
> If I have infringed on the etiquette of this forum by adding this
> assembly information request, I am very sorry.  Please advise so that I
> don't screw up again.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Steven
>
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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 15:00:41 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:00:41 +1000
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <8787DE32906F45598E86FD09F0606B25@zi>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811090029.42416.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<8787DE32906F45598E86FD09F0606B25@zi>
Message-ID: <200811090100.41376.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:48:05 am Girard Henri wrote:
> what do you mean ?
> you can set the repo in synaptic and then do an update et choosse
> kde-nighty every day it updates.
> create you a kde-nighty session (in /opt/kde-nighty)
> but i couldn't compile kdevelop4 yet lack of libs
> Meanwhile i look in suse but they are still a little late
> i thaught one could install kdevelop4 but i didn't see it

You using hardy or intrepid?

I added it for intrepid and updated but nothing there. Browsed the url and 
there appeared to be no packages.


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From doug at curreycentral.com  Sat Nov  8 16:19:38 2008
From: doug at curreycentral.com (Doug)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:19:38 -0700
Subject: OT: Message bounce.
Message-ID: <20081108091938.f7064773c0193405d72d413b439cb0ef.f7eae7250d.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

Every few weeks I get a message from kubuntu-users-request.  Saying
"membership in the mailing list kubuntu-users has been disabled due to
excessive bounces"  And that I need to click on a link to re enable.

I am using Go-daddy to handle my email  I can assume the problem is with
Godady. Anyone else using them have this problem.  Any recommendations
of how to solve this?  

Thanks





From gmane at auxbuss.com  Sat Nov  8 16:54:31 2008
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:54:31 +0100
Subject: Is this possible?
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070336.49131.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070205r6b0ea3b7xb7cdda8c14ca87a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4914184D.3050600@gmail.com>
	<f495db580811070255g3f986f66k82f29c00aad0d6f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4914225A.20202@gmail.com>
	<f495db580811070335t3c5c0f88s176cd0741c7f2ade@mail.gmail.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811070346n3d77b479p7469989b76476c01@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811070358tb18e3faqd3ee2c2758d3041c@mail.gmail.com>
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Knapp said...
> > I use Ubuntu (gnome) at work.  The upgrade was a flawless as
> > Feisty>Gutsy>Hardy.  The core OS is fine and getting ever more stable.
> >  Kubuntu Intrepid's only problem is the experimental DE.
> > --
> > artAlexion
> > sent unsigned from webmail interface
> 
> Which is my whole point. Experimental software should not be the
> default, it should be a fun option as it is in 8.04.

+1

I quite like 4, although can't use in the real world because it is 
unstable and misses essential features.

However, it really shouldn't be the mainline.

-- 
Cheers,
Marc




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 16:55:15 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:55:15 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <49144CE6.4040309@swbell.net>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>	<10239442.lW6xx7OG7G@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49137B25.2090103@dmiyu.org>	<5a1f6bd00811070211x541b23c3o1577b1cb08d480e9@mail.gmail.com>
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Billie Walsh wrote:
> Art Alexion wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org> wrote:
>>   
>>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>>     
>>>> I'm not entirely sure your hypothesis is provable.  I think I could say with
>>>> as much authority that Firefox and others have broken the stranglehold IE
>>>> had on the browser market because they provided features (like tabs) that
>>>> users wanted.
>>>>       
>>>    The adherence to standards also means not putting in questionable
>>> extension which cause security problems.  One of the main reasons people left
>>> IE in droves were concerns over security.  Were they leaving because of the
>>> adherence to standards?  No.  Was the adherence to standards part and parcel
>>> with good security practices?  Yes.
>>>     
>> Well, you are absolutely right.  But they didn't make that connection
>> and weren't motivated by it.
>>
>> Also, it was  that simple.  IE was designed to be insecure by the MS
>> marketing team who always chooses whiz-bang feature and integration
>> over security.  It didn't just fail to adhere to standard, it flouted
>> them.
>>
>>
>>   
> 
> This sort of goes back to the "Browser War" between Microsoft and 
> Netscape. Microsoft wanted to dominate in the browser market so they 
> made their own "standard" and tied it to Microsoft products. When Java 
> came a long Microsoft added their own "standard" and tied it to their 
> own products. Still today a lot of web pages are made in Front Page 
> which automatically sets up things just for IE only. Supposedly the next 
> version of IE will be more Standards compliant, but I will believe it 
> when I see it.
> 

dont believe it :P IE8 beta got an incredible 18/100 in the last ACID3
Test, a 4 point increase :P whereas firefox takes in 70s, konqi takes 78
in KDE4, used to take less i remember in KDE3.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com  Sat Nov  8 17:12:45 2008
From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 12:12:45 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <4915C473.4060501@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>	<10239442.lW6xx7OG7G@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49137B25.2090103@dmiyu.org>	<5a1f6bd00811070211x541b23c3o1577b1cb08d480e9@mail.gmail.com>	<49144CE6.4040309@swbell.net>
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Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> dont believe it :P IE8 beta got an incredible 18/100 in the last ACID3
> Test, a 4 point increase :P whereas firefox takes in 70s, konqi takes 78
> in KDE4, used to take less i remember in KDE3.

ACID3 results in 8.04 / Kde 3.5.10
Firefox	71
IE6 	4   (ies4linux)
Konq	??  I can't see the number (either 6 or 37)


-- 
"The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated 
concept.
If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and 
actually grok it."
                                                                          - 
author unknown
Things I grok: 0



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 17:32:37 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:32:37 +0200
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>	
	<200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>

2008/11/7 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
> On Friday November 7 2008 12:52:53 am Ali Milis wrote:
>> $ export GIVEUP
>>
>> Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
>> for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
>> that sometimes work and often don't?!
>>
>> I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
>> problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
>> and laypeople
>>
>
> You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I gave up on
> Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier person today.
>
> best wishes-
> pete
>

i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI, and
i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
other crapware deserves to be abandoned!


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.

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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 17:45:25 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:45:25 +0200
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <4915C88D.9080104@ajinfosearch.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>	<10239442.lW6xx7OG7G@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49137B25.2090103@dmiyu.org>	<5a1f6bd00811070211x541b23c3o1577b1cb08d480e9@mail.gmail.com>	<49144CE6.4040309@swbell.net>	<4915C473.4060501@gmail.com>
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Alan Dacey wrote:
> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>> dont believe it :P IE8 beta got an incredible 18/100 in the last ACID3
>> Test, a 4 point increase :P whereas firefox takes in 70s, konqi takes 78
>> in KDE4, used to take less i remember in KDE3.
> 
> ACID3 results in 8.04 / Kde 3.5.10
> Firefox	71
> IE6 	4   (ies4linux)
> Konq	??  I can't see the number (either 6 or 37)
> 
> 

now i remember, yes, it's tricky to get the number, since it's under one
of the frames, you can select it from wherever it is, just blindly
select it, and copy/paste it somewhere. i can't believe the the standard
compliant konq can behave like this. but then, khtml got a lot better in
KDE4.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 17:57:56 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:57:56 +0100
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
In-Reply-To: <488F0BD413684E64AD45F48A85913408@zi>
References: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
	<488F0BD413684E64AD45F48A85913408@zi>
Message-ID: <f495db580811080957ucad9944hadf9107594817dcd@mail.gmail.com>

I run 64 bit 8.04 amd 2x. No problems at all. If you do run into
problems it will be with your browser. Also a 64 bit system can run 32
bit software if you must without much fuss. Basically, I would say
that any problems you run into can be gooogled away or else come
running for help here and all will be fine.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com  Sat Nov  8 18:06:41 2008
From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:06:41 -0500
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <4915D035.7050709@gmail.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>	<10239442.lW6xx7OG7G@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49137B25.2090103@dmiyu.org>	<5a1f6bd00811070211x541b23c3o1577b1cb08d480e9@mail.gmail.com>	<49144CE6.4040309@swbell.net>	<4915C473.4060501@gmail.com>	<4915C88D.9080104@ajinfosearch.com>
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Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Alan Dacey wrote:
>> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>>> dont believe it :P IE8 beta got an incredible 18/100 in the last ACID3
>>> Test, a 4 point increase :P whereas firefox takes in 70s, konqi takes 78
>>> in KDE4, used to take less i remember in KDE3.
>> ACID3 results in 8.04 / Kde 3.5.10
>> Firefox	71
>> IE6 	4   (ies4linux)
>> Konq	??  I can't see the number (either 6 or 37)
>>
>>
> 
> now i remember, yes, it's tricky to get the number, since it's under one
> of the frames, you can select it from wherever it is, just blindly
> select it, and copy/paste it somewhere. i can't believe the the standard
> compliant konq can behave like this. but then, khtml got a lot better in
> KDE4.
> 
> 

I read the KDE blogs and it sounds like there are a lot of missing things that 
will be in the next release.  When that comes out is when I will upgrade since 
it is missing some functionality right now.  It is fun to play with until then.

I fired up my vbox and in beta5 konq scored a 76.  Definite improvement!  I can 
actually see the number.

Alan

-- 
"The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated 
concept.  If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in 
life and actually grok it."
                                                                          - 
author unknown
Things I grok: 0



From grey at dmiyu.org  Sat Nov  8 18:11:28 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:11:28 -0800
Subject: Why do people dislike Dolphin?
In-Reply-To: <4915C88D.9080104@ajinfosearch.com>
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>	<490F6519.9030709@swbell.net>	<1365161.ZAXc2tyJVH@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811051034r56c70c01rff48b3e31cd685ce@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811051051i2767d9f8hadd7017472a10dc2@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811051109j130761abnc7fa5b8e888d6186@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811052348g3705a12l48da10e7bda326e5@mail.gmail.com>	<4912A4FC.8090608@dmiyu.org>	<10239442.lW6xx7OG7G@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49137B25.2090103@dmiyu.org>	<5a1f6bd00811070211x541b23c3o1577b1cb08d480e9@mail.gmail.com>	<49144CE6.4040309@swbell.net>	<4915C473.4060501@gmail.com>
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Alan Dacey wrote:
> ACID3 results in 8.04 / Kde 3.5.10
> Firefox	71
> IE6 	4   (ies4linux)
> Konq	??  I can't see the number (either 6 or 37)

    Opera 9.52 - 84/100.
    Opera 9.62 - 85/100.

    Yeah, just realized there was a later version and upgraded.  ;)

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From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 22:04:39 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:04:39 +0100
Subject: kde4 and bluetooth
Message-ID: <f950edef0811081404i4ea1fc1jf9db9d7c8b90563f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Bluetooth used to work well on Gutsy. Now I don't get notifications, and
konqueror says that bluetooth is unsupported.

Is it possible to use Bluetooth on KDE4?

Cheers,
-- 
Francisco
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From greenwaldjared at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 22:27:44 2008
From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:27:44 -0500
Subject: kde4 and bluetooth
In-Reply-To: <f950edef0811081404i4ea1fc1jf9db9d7c8b90563f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f950edef0811081404i4ea1fc1jf9db9d7c8b90563f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2759cf860811081427j1409c96bp2a52718cd1010cd9@mail.gmail.com>

I tried to get my logitech mouse working with the livecd and got
nowhere, not sure about an actual install tho.

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Francisco Borges
<francisco.borges at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Bluetooth used to work well on Gutsy. Now I don't get notifications, and
> konqueror says that bluetooth is unsupported.
>
> Is it possible to use Bluetooth on KDE4?
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Francisco
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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>



From dgvirtual at akl.lt  Sat Nov  8 22:29:37 2008
From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:29:37 +0200
Subject: bluez 4.x documentation anywhere?
Message-ID: <491612D1.4090509@akl.lt>

Hi, is there any easy documentation for bluez 4.x that is used in Intrepid?

I used my phone as a remote previously in 7.10 and 8.04 versions, and it
does not work anymore.

I also had a bluetooth access point configured in 8.04, and it does not
work anymore...

All the documentation I could find by googling seems to be very much
outdated...

Donatas Glodenis



From nadreck at palain.com  Sat Nov  8 22:41:48 2008
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:41:48 -0500
Subject: More on Krusader and launching files
In-Reply-To: <200811061202.43510.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <491260E3.80702@palain.com>
	<200811061202.43510.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <491615AC.9030704@palain.com>

p.daniels wrote:
> On Wednesday November 5 2008 09:13:39 pm Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
>   
>> I have now checked this on 3 different computers. All were upgraded from
>> Hardy to Intrepid, and from KDE3 to KDE4. And all of them exhibit the
>> same problem, that Krusader can no longer launch files. Given this, I
>> think it is pretty clear that there is some kind of bug involved, though
>> I cannot tell whether it is in Kubuntu or KDE4. I have files a bug
>> report with Kubuntu for now.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL
>> nadreck at palain.com      Linux User #333216
>>
>> "People call me feminist whenever I express sentiments that
>> differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute." -- Rebecca West
>>     
>
> Sorry, coming in late on this. I can confirm that I do NOT have this problem on 
> the svn version. Is it throwing errors? Have you checked the file associations? 
> When did this start happening? Directly after upgrading to 8.04? Have you apt-
> get purge'd and reinstalled?
>
> Sorry if you already answered these questions before.
>
>   
OK, here is what I did to fix it. I tried uninstalling and then 
reinstalling, but got no joy form that at first. Then I uninstalled, 
rebooted, and then reinstalled, and that cleared it up. Now I gotta go 
add this to my bug report.

Thank you,

-- 
Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL
nadreck at palain.com      Linux User #333216

What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.  -- Edward Langley



From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 22:43:06 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:43:06 +0100
Subject: kde4 and panel buttons
Message-ID: <20081108224306.GA12422@duo.arnhem.chello.nl>

Hello,

Katapult doens't seem to be able to launch kde4 programs, and my old
panels are all gone. Is there a way to add buttons (as in a button to
launch firefox directly) to the menu?

I can't find any...

Cheers,
-- 
Francisco Borges




From paul at lemmons.name  Sat Nov  8 23:30:35 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:30:35 -0700
Subject: Speech to text?
In-Reply-To: <200811051429.43977.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>
References: <200811051429.43977.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be>
Message-ID: <4916211B.9030709@lemmons.name>


Pascal Francq wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi,
> Is there any open source solution for KUbuntu for "speech to text", i.e. 
> speaking "directly" in a text processor ?
> Thanks
I saw this thread and thought it was pretty thorough...

http://www.voxforge.org/home/forums/message-boards/dialog-managers/up-to-date-review-of-ready-to-use-linux-speech-recognition-front-ends
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From paul at lemmons.name  Sat Nov  8 23:43:47 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:43:47 -0700
Subject: kde4 and panel buttons
In-Reply-To: <20081108224306.GA12422@duo.arnhem.chello.nl>
References: <20081108224306.GA12422@duo.arnhem.chello.nl>
Message-ID: <49162433.4000505@lemmons.name>

Francisco Borges wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Katapult doens't seem to be able to launch kde4 programs, and my old
> panels are all gone. Is there a way to add buttons (as in a button to
> launch firefox directly) to the menu?
>
> I can't find any...
>
> Cheers,
>   

katapult functionality is now in krunner and an alt-f2 accesses the 
prompt. I looked for a way to assign it to alt-space but the hunt 
continues.

As for adding to the menu, right click on the menu and select edit. It 
is fairely straight forward from there. You can also add to favorites 
and have them shown outside the menu structure.

Also, you may want to take a look at "lancelot" as a replacement for the 
menu button. I like it better that the default 'vista' navigator.
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From davidp540 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 00:04:17 2008
From: davidp540 at gmail.com (David)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:04:17 +1100
Subject: Eye of GNOME Image Viewer now default "Home"
In-Reply-To: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226189057.19451.6.camel@dad-desktop>

G'day and help please,

Upgraded to 8.10 running Gnome, all's been going well for several weeks.

BUT.... I now open my Home Folder (and Desktop, Music, Picture and Video
all under the Places menu) and all I get is Eye of GNOME Image Viewer
(and an image or an error message this it can't find an image)!

What have I done??

Thanks,
David




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  9 00:06:28 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:06:28 -0500
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
In-Reply-To: <491591A1.8020608@ajinfosearch.com>
References: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
	<491591A1.8020608@ajinfosearch.com>
Message-ID: <49162984.80401@sbcglobal.net>

Alan Dacey wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Over the past year I have accumulated the components for a new 
>> computer.  I will be changing to 64 bit.
>>
>> Not having a 64 bit system, I have not been paying attention to the 
>> unique problems 64 bit users have had when installing and configuring a 
>> Kubuntu OS.  I would like to begin with a stable application, so which 
>> version should I start with?
>>
>> *The following is a request for advice on installing new equipment; 
>> since it doesn't concern Kubuntu, don't use your time reading it unless 
>> you have the time and/or experience to advise on assembly.
>> *
>> The motherboard and case are in transit right now as the last components 
>> necessary to build a functioning 64 bit system.
>>
>> The motherboard is a rather sophisticated unit, and I have some concerns 
>> about assembly.  If anyone has assembled a computer using an ASUS 
>> Mempipe motherboard would you advise any particular problem I may 
>> encounter installing the cooling system, or for that matter, any other 
>> area of concern when assembling a new system?
>>
>> I have never purchased and installed a new processor, but I am told the 
>> one I bought generates a lot of heat immediately, so I want to make sure 
>> I install it properly before firing up for the first time.  There seems 
>> to be a pre-coated area for contact between the processor and the heat 
>> sink.  Is that sufficient, or do I need to apply a coating made for that 
>> purpose?  I have heard of such a procedure.  The processor is an AMD 
>> quad 9600.
>>
>> On a rather fortunate last moment bid for some memory on Ebay, I 
>> purchased 12gb of Axiom ECC DDR2 memory.  I got it all for the minimum 
>> opening bid, so I have more memory than my board can handle and will 
>> probably have as much memory as I can use for the first time in my 
>> life.  The motherboard can handle 8gb.
>>
>> If my luck holds, I will win the bid on an 800W power supply which is 
>> suitable for the components I have.  Can I install that after installing 
>> the other components, or is there a potential hazard in choosing that 
>> order of installation?
>>
>> I am a little cautious because I am probably over my head with this 
>> installation, so should I only start with one 2gb stick, or should I go 
>> ahead and install all 8gb?  The complicated assembly of the heat pipe 
>> system of cooling for the memory makes me want to install it all at the 
>> same time, but I don't know if that is wise.
>>
>> If I have infringed on the etiquette of this forum by adding this 
>> assembly information request, I am very sorry.  Please advise so that I 
>> don't screw up again.
>>
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Steven
>>
>>     
> I will not be any help on the 64-bit questions, but I do know something about 
> putting all the parts together.  First thing I need is a list of your 
> components.  What exact motherboard, the M3N-HT?  What video card, or are you 
> using the onboard 780i?  Is your memory DDR3 1066?  Stock cooling fan?
> To answer your cooling question, since it seems you have a pretty high-end setup 
> (not ti mention a quad core!), I would say that you will _need_ to put a coating 
> of silver paste between the cpu and the cooling fan.  If you do not have any 
> yet, I would suggest the brand Arctic Silver.  The link on the bottom is an example.
> You can always change a power supply at any time.  If you are installing linux, 
> you do not need to worry about how much memory is in the board (at least I never 
> had a problem)
>
> Alan
>
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007
>   
Hi Alan,

Thanks for the response.  I know it is out of order for this forum, but 
I get my best help here.

The Motherboard is an   ASUS M3N-HT Deluxe Mempipe Motherboard SLI AM2+ 
.  For now I am going to use the on-board  sound and video.  It has 
taken me a long time to get the components together, so I am going to 
use the on-board equipment until I can afford to improve.  At least I 
will have a better system.

The Memory is in 2gb sticks.  It is Axiom DDR2 ECC 667 mhz.  I am not a 
gamer, so I am sure it will more than meet my needs.  I will install 8gb.

The Power Supply will be a *Thermaltake Toughpower 850-Watt, or a 
**Thermaltake Toughpower 700-Watt.  *The bid comes to a close late 
evening tomorrow  on the 850.  I expect getting it, however if I don't, 
the 700 comes due in 2 days.  Surely I will succeed on one or the 
other.  If I don't, I will purchase an 800 that is offered at a fixed 
price.  So installation will take place in about a week.  I am just 
trying to get my T's crossed and my I's dotted before it arrives.

I have 2ea. Maxtor DiamondMax 11 mode 1: 6H500FO 500gb Sata 3.0gb HDD's.

DVDRW Sony 16X (used)
DVDRom Toshiba 48X (used)

My new case is an *Antec Three Hundred ATX Computer Case.  *The case 
includes several fans, with two for video cards when I finally get 
them.  I purchased this case because it has washable reusable filters, 
and it seems to be prepared with sufficient cooling fans.  And of 
course, the mempipe system is designed to keep the system 10 C cooler 
because of their design.

Because at present, I don't have a 64 bit system, I pretty much ignored 
all the emails that relate to it.  I am hopeful someone with experience 
will recommend the proper distribution of Kubuntu.

I do have a huge problem that I am trying to rectify.  The hard drives 
and the motherboard are pre-configured to work with Vista, which I do 
not have.  Is this something I can work around?  A new copy is very 
costly, and I will not use it once the system is installed.

I sacrificed all comforts to be able to purchase these components this 
past year; I live on a low fixed income, so I really can't afford to 
screw up on the installation.  So if you can forewarn me of any 
pitfalls, I would appreciate it.

Cordially,

Steven                                                                 
P.S.:  Can you think of anything needed that I am missing, other than
                                                                         
            the Arctic Silver?





From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 00:09:06 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:09:06 +0200
Subject: Eye of GNOME Image Viewer now default "Home"
In-Reply-To: <1226189057.19451.6.camel@dad-desktop>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<1226189057.19451.6.camel@dad-desktop>
Message-ID: <49162A22.1010607@gmail.com>

David wrote:
> G'day and help please,
> 
> Upgraded to 8.10 running Gnome, all's been going well for several weeks.
> 
> BUT.... I now open my Home Folder (and Desktop, Music, Picture and Video
> all under the Places menu) and all I get is Eye of GNOME Image Viewer
> (and an image or an error message this it can't find an image)!
> 
> What have I done??
> 
> Thanks,
> David
> 
> 

first of all, this is a KDE-specific list, a better place for your
problem might be the Ubuntu mailing list, not the Kubuntu one ;)
anyways, you might be having this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/274563
can you confirm?

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 00:19:24 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:19:24 +1000
Subject: Kubuntu Intrepid 64 Bit
Message-ID: <200811091019.25142.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

Are there any advantages to running Intrepid 64 bit over the std 32bit builds?
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From davidp540 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 00:39:54 2008
From: davidp540 at gmail.com (David)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:39:54 +1100
Subject: Eye of GNOME Image Viewer now default "Home"
In-Reply-To: <49162A22.1010607@gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<1226189057.19451.6.camel@dad-desktop>  <49162A22.1010607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226191194.19451.7.camel@dad-desktop>

Opps, wrong list.

Apologies and thanks.

On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 02:09 +0200, Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> David wrote:
> > G'day and help please,
> > 
> > Upgraded to 8.10 running Gnome, all's been going well for several weeks.
> > 
> > BUT.... I now open my Home Folder (and Desktop, Music, Picture and Video
> > all under the Places menu) and all I get is Eye of GNOME Image Viewer
> > (and an image or an error message this it can't find an image)!
> > 
> > What have I done??
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > David
> > 
> > 
> 
> first of all, this is a KDE-specific list, a better place for your
> problem might be the Ubuntu mailing list, not the Kubuntu one ;)
> anyways, you might be having this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/274563
> can you confirm?
> 




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 01:17:58 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:17:58 +0200
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
In-Reply-To: <49162984.80401@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>	<491591A1.8020608@ajinfosearch.com>
	<49162984.80401@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49163A46.4080302@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Alan Dacey wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>> Over the past year I have accumulated the components for a new 
>>> computer.  I will be changing to 64 bit.
>>>
>>> Not having a 64 bit system, I have not been paying attention to the 
>>> unique problems 64 bit users have had when installing and configuring a 
>>> Kubuntu OS.  I would like to begin with a stable application, so which 
>>> version should I start with?
>>>
>>> *The following is a request for advice on installing new equipment; 
>>> since it doesn't concern Kubuntu, don't use your time reading it unless 
>>> you have the time and/or experience to advise on assembly.
>>> *
>>> The motherboard and case are in transit right now as the last components 
>>> necessary to build a functioning 64 bit system.
>>>
>>> The motherboard is a rather sophisticated unit, and I have some concerns 
>>> about assembly.  If anyone has assembled a computer using an ASUS 
>>> Mempipe motherboard would you advise any particular problem I may 
>>> encounter installing the cooling system, or for that matter, any other 
>>> area of concern when assembling a new system?
>>>
>>> I have never purchased and installed a new processor, but I am told the 
>>> one I bought generates a lot of heat immediately, so I want to make sure 
>>> I install it properly before firing up for the first time.  There seems 
>>> to be a pre-coated area for contact between the processor and the heat 
>>> sink.  Is that sufficient, or do I need to apply a coating made for that 
>>> purpose?  I have heard of such a procedure.  The processor is an AMD 
>>> quad 9600.
>>>
>>> On a rather fortunate last moment bid for some memory on Ebay, I 
>>> purchased 12gb of Axiom ECC DDR2 memory.  I got it all for the minimum 
>>> opening bid, so I have more memory than my board can handle and will 
>>> probably have as much memory as I can use for the first time in my 
>>> life.  The motherboard can handle 8gb.
>>>
>>> If my luck holds, I will win the bid on an 800W power supply which is 
>>> suitable for the components I have.  Can I install that after installing 
>>> the other components, or is there a potential hazard in choosing that 
>>> order of installation?
>>>
>>> I am a little cautious because I am probably over my head with this 
>>> installation, so should I only start with one 2gb stick, or should I go 
>>> ahead and install all 8gb?  The complicated assembly of the heat pipe 
>>> system of cooling for the memory makes me want to install it all at the 
>>> same time, but I don't know if that is wise.
>>>
>>> If I have infringed on the etiquette of this forum by adding this 
>>> assembly information request, I am very sorry.  Please advise so that I 
>>> don't screw up again.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help,
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>     
>> I will not be any help on the 64-bit questions, but I do know something about 
>> putting all the parts together.  First thing I need is a list of your 
>> components.  What exact motherboard, the M3N-HT?  What video card, or are you 
>> using the onboard 780i?  Is your memory DDR3 1066?  Stock cooling fan?
>> To answer your cooling question, since it seems you have a pretty high-end setup 
>> (not ti mention a quad core!), I would say that you will _need_ to put a coating 
>> of silver paste between the cpu and the cooling fan.  If you do not have any 
>> yet, I would suggest the brand Arctic Silver.  The link on the bottom is an example.
>> You can always change a power supply at any time.  If you are installing linux, 
>> you do not need to worry about how much memory is in the board (at least I never 
>> had a problem)
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007
>>   
> Hi Alan,
> 
> Thanks for the response.  I know it is out of order for this forum, but 
> I get my best help here.
> 

i know what you mean. it starts to feel like home here ;)

> The Motherboard is an   ASUS M3N-HT Deluxe Mempipe Motherboard SLI AM2+ 
> .  For now I am going to use the on-board  sound and video.  It has 
> taken me a long time to get the components together, so I am going to 
> use the on-board equipment until I can afford to improve.  At least I 
> will have a better system.
> 
> The Memory is in 2gb sticks.  It is Axiom DDR2 ECC 667 mhz.  I am not a 
> gamer, so I am sure it will more than meet my needs.  I will install 8gb.

you're not a gamer? lol, this crap you're buying is a lot of gamers'
dream system, at least mine :P

> 
> The Power Supply will be a *Thermaltake Toughpower 850-Watt, or a 
> **Thermaltake Toughpower 700-Watt.  *The bid comes to a close late 
> evening tomorrow  on the 850.  I expect getting it, however if I don't, 
> the 700 comes due in 2 days.  Surely I will succeed on one or the 
> other.  If I don't, I will purchase an 800 that is offered at a fixed 
> price.  So installation will take place in about a week.  I am just 
> trying to get my T's crossed and my I's dotted before it arrives.
> 
> I have 2ea. Maxtor DiamondMax 11 mode 1: 6H500FO 500gb Sata 3.0gb HDD's.
> 
> DVDRW Sony 16X (used)
> DVDRom Toshiba 48X (used)
> 
> My new case is an *Antec Three Hundred ATX Computer Case.  *The case 
> includes several fans, with two for video cards when I finally get 
> them.  I purchased this case because it has washable reusable filters, 
> and it seems to be prepared with sufficient cooling fans.  And of 
> course, the mempipe system is designed to keep the system 10 C cooler 
> because of their design.
> 
> Because at present, I don't have a 64 bit system, I pretty much ignored 
> all the emails that relate to it.  I am hopeful someone with experience 
> will recommend the proper distribution of Kubuntu.

i don't have a 64-bit system, but i read some of the 64-bit issues
discussed on the list, though not in great detail. one of the issues is
flash in browsers, but i remember it was solved. your best approach for
anything is to rely on the official repositories, and avoid getting too
much software from outside, as these are likely to not work. at least
that all i manages to learn from 64-bit discussions

> 
> I do have a huge problem that I am trying to rectify.  The hard drives 
> and the motherboard are pre-configured to work with Vista, which I do 
> not have.  Is this something I can work around?  A new copy is very 
> costly, and I will not use it once the system is installed.

that's marketing ;) hard drives work everywhere, there is no such thing
as "built specifically for Windows", anything that works for windows,
works for linux, the opposite is not always true. if you're sure you
don't want to deal with Windows at all, wipe the HD clean as soon as you
build your PC.

> 
> I sacrificed all comforts to be able to purchase these components this 
> past year; I live on a low fixed income, so I really can't afford to 
> screw up on the installation.  So if you can forewarn me of any 
> pitfalls, I would appreciate it.

i've built 40+ PCs in the last 3 years, but those are all 32-bit Intel
systems. Intel board, Intel processor, nVidia Cards, and some random
accessories. one of my most common mistakes that isn't dangerous but
might give you a heart attack, is improper wiring care. make sure all
wires are tied together properly, and non of them touch and fan,
specially after you close the case.
be careful with the CPU, make sure you're hands are firm and it might
not slip from them.
i usually bring a case with the power supply already in it. i start with
mother board, then CPU, then RAMs. i start working with the small wires
and pins. afterwards, i go for HDs and CD drives. connect the to the
board. connect them to power supply, connect the board with the power
supply. and then any extensions, VGA, sound card or something else.
you need to be careful with CPU cooling. make sure that the heatsink is
touching the CPU firmly. usually the clay-like substance beween them
ensures that they are connected with each other. or else, the heatsink
won't be able to suck the temperature from the CPU effectively! so be
careful here.

> 
> Cordially,
> 
> Steven                                                                 
> P.S.:  Can you think of anything needed that I am missing, other than
>                                                                          
>             the Arctic Silver?
> 

an ATI VGA? it's far less trouble than nVidia nowadays, specially if
you're planning to use KDE4



-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 02:28:45 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:28:45 +1000
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
In-Reply-To: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811091228.46106.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:56:38 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> Over the past year I have accumulated the components for a new
> computer.  I will be changing to 64 bit.
>
> Not having a 64 bit system, I have not been paying attention to the
> unique problems 64 bit users have had when installing and configuring a
> Kubuntu OS.  I would like to begin with a stable application, so which
> version should I start with?

Well, having been inspired by your post, and a certain amount of boredom, I 
changed my install to 64bit :) I had an existing Intrepid (8.10) 32 bit, so 
decided on Intrepid64.

Went very smoothly, I elected to do a fresh install from scratch while 
preserving my existing home directory. Probably took 20 minutes all up. 
Everything is working exactly as it was before - applications, nvidia drivers, 
flash etc.

So I'd like to say I have 64 bit experience, but really it was no different 
from the 32 bit install at all.

I'd go with Kubuntu Intrepid 64 bit myself, its been trouble free. Can't speak 
to your hardware though, must admit mine is recent and fairly standard.


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  9 03:20:25 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:20:25 -0500
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
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Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Alan Dacey wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Over the past year I have accumulated the components for a new 
>>>> computer.  I will be changing to 64 bit.
>>>>
>>>> Not having a 64 bit system, I have not been paying attention to the 
>>>> unique problems 64 bit users have had when installing and configuring a 
>>>> Kubuntu OS.  I would like to begin with a stable application, so which 
>>>> version should I start with?
>>>>
>>>> *The following is a request for advice on installing new equipment; 
>>>> since it doesn't concern Kubuntu, don't use your time reading it unless 
>>>> you have the time and/or experience to advise on assembly.
>>>> *
>>>> The motherboard and case are in transit right now as the last components 
>>>> necessary to build a functioning 64 bit system.
>>>>
>>>> The motherboard is a rather sophisticated unit, and I have some concerns 
>>>> about assembly.  If anyone has assembled a computer using an ASUS 
>>>> Mempipe motherboard would you advise any particular problem I may 
>>>> encounter installing the cooling system, or for that matter, any other 
>>>> area of concern when assembling a new system?
>>>>
>>>> I have never purchased and installed a new processor, but I am told the 
>>>> one I bought generates a lot of heat immediately, so I want to make sure 
>>>> I install it properly before firing up for the first time.  There seems 
>>>> to be a pre-coated area for contact between the processor and the heat 
>>>> sink.  Is that sufficient, or do I need to apply a coating made for that 
>>>> purpose?  I have heard of such a procedure.  The processor is an AMD 
>>>> quad 9600.
>>>>
>>>> On a rather fortunate last moment bid for some memory on Ebay, I 
>>>> purchased 12gb of Axiom ECC DDR2 memory.  I got it all for the minimum 
>>>> opening bid, so I have more memory than my board can handle and will 
>>>> probably have as much memory as I can use for the first time in my 
>>>> life.  The motherboard can handle 8gb.
>>>>
>>>> If my luck holds, I will win the bid on an 800W power supply which is 
>>>> suitable for the components I have.  Can I install that after installing 
>>>> the other components, or is there a potential hazard in choosing that 
>>>> order of installation?
>>>>
>>>> I am a little cautious because I am probably over my head with this 
>>>> installation, so should I only start with one 2gb stick, or should I go 
>>>> ahead and install all 8gb?  The complicated assembly of the heat pipe 
>>>> system of cooling for the memory makes me want to install it all at the 
>>>> same time, but I don't know if that is wise.
>>>>
>>>> If I have infringed on the etiquette of this forum by adding this 
>>>> assembly information request, I am very sorry.  Please advise so that I 
>>>> don't screw up again.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> I will not be any help on the 64-bit questions, but I do know something about 
>>> putting all the parts together.  First thing I need is a list of your 
>>> components.  What exact motherboard, the M3N-HT?  What video card, or are you 
>>> using the onboard 780i?  Is your memory DDR3 1066?  Stock cooling fan?
>>> To answer your cooling question, since it seems you have a pretty high-end setup 
>>> (not ti mention a quad core!), I would say that you will _need_ to put a coating 
>>> of silver paste between the cpu and the cooling fan.  If you do not have any 
>>> yet, I would suggest the brand Arctic Silver.  The link on the bottom is an example.
>>> You can always change a power supply at any time.  If you are installing linux, 
>>> you do not need to worry about how much memory is in the board (at least I never 
>>> had a problem)
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007
>>>   
>>>       
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> Thanks for the response.  I know it is out of order for this forum, but 
>> I get my best help here.
>>
>>     
>
> i know what you mean. it starts to feel like home here ;)
>   
Do you think my inquiry for help in installation was appropriate?  I 
don't want anyone to associate my name with being a rule breaker or 
insensitive to the objective of the forum.
>   
>> The Motherboard is an   ASUS M3N-HT Deluxe Mempipe Motherboard SLI AM2+ 
>> .  For now I am going to use the on-board  sound and video.  It has 
>> taken me a long time to get the components together, so I am going to 
>> use the on-board equipment until I can afford to improve.  At least I 
>> will have a better system.
>>
>> The Memory is in 2gb sticks.  It is Axiom DDR2 ECC 667 mhz.  I am not a 
>> gamer, so I am sure it will more than meet my needs.  I will install 8gb.
>>     
>
> you're not a gamer? lol, this crap you're buying is a lot of gamers'
> dream system, at least mine :P
>   
I am a fine artist and have a minor interest in movie production.  I am 
older and haven't had the interest in games.  There is not enough time 
in the day to expand my interests without giving up something I love to 
do.  And mostly this started with my purchase of memory with a retail 
value at the time of $4800 for $100.  When I got the winning bid on 12gb 
of ECC memory, it sold for just under $800 for a 2gb stick.  It's a lot 
cheaper now, but when I bought it, it motivated me to make a computer 
that could use it, providing I could get the components at an affordable 
price.  I was looking for an additional GB of memory and saw the 12gb 
offer with no bids and 7 minutes left.  I no more than made the minimum 
bid offer than I got an accepted offer reply.  I paid about $100 for the 
TB of HDD's, another pretty good last minute bid.  I paid about $100 for 
the Quad core, and I got the Motherboard for right at $200 which even 
included shipping.  The Motherboard was the toughest purchase.  I made a 
lot of last minute bids on reasonably inactive offerings and got a lot 
of bang for my buck.
>   
>> The Power Supply will be a *Thermaltake Toughpower 850-Watt, or a 
>> **Thermaltake Toughpower 700-Watt.  *The bid comes to a close late 
>> evening tomorrow  on the 850.  I expect getting it, however if I don't, 
>> the 700 comes due in 2 days.  Surely I will succeed on one or the 
>> other.  If I don't, I will purchase an 800 that is offered at a fixed 
>> price.  So installation will take place in about a week.  I am just 
>> trying to get my T's crossed and my I's dotted before it arrives.
>>
>> I have 2ea. Maxtor DiamondMax 11 mode 1: 6H500FO 500gb Sata 3.0gb HDD's.
>>
>> DVDRW Sony 16X (used)
>> DVDRom Toshiba 48X (used)
>>
>> My new case is an *Antec Three Hundred ATX Computer Case.  *The case 
>> includes several fans, with two for video cards when I finally get 
>> them.  I purchased this case because it has washable reusable filters, 
>> and it seems to be prepared with sufficient cooling fans.  And of 
>> course, the mempipe system is designed to keep the system 10 C cooler 
>> because of their design.
>>
>> Because at present, I don't have a 64 bit system, I pretty much ignored 
>> all the emails that relate to it.  I am hopeful someone with experience 
>> will recommend the proper distribution of Kubuntu.
>>     
>
> i don't have a 64-bit system, but i read some of the 64-bit issues
> discussed on the list, though not in great detail. one of the issues is
> flash in browsers, but i remember it was solved. your best approach for
> anything is to rely on the official repositories, and avoid getting too
> much software from outside, as these are likely to not work. at least
> that all i manages to learn from 64-bit discussions
>   
Do you mean those in Adept Package Manager?  And would you install Hardy 
or Intrepid?
>   
>> I do have a huge problem that I am trying to rectify.  The hard drives 
>> and the motherboard are pre-configured to work with Vista, which I do 
>> not have.  Is this something I can work around?  A new copy is very 
>> costly, and I will not use it once the system is installed.
>>     
It appeared that SLI technology required Vista?  Has that kind of 
situation been worked out in Kubuntu?
>
> that's marketing ;) hard drives work everywhere, there is no such thing
> as "built specifically for Windows", anything that works for windows,
> works for linux, the opposite is not always true. if you're sure you
> don't want to deal with Windows at all, wipe the HD clean as soon as you
> build your PC.
>
>   
>> I sacrificed all comforts to be able to purchase these components this 
>> past year; I live on a low fixed income, so I really can't afford to 
>> screw up on the installation.  So if you can forewarn me of any 
>> pitfalls, I would appreciate it.
>>     
>
> i've built 40+ PCs in the last 3 years, but those are all 32-bit Intel
> systems. Intel board, Intel processor, nVidia Cards, and some random
> accessories. one of my most common mistakes that isn't dangerous but
> might give you a heart attack, is improper wiring care. make sure all
> wires are tied together properly, and non of them touch and fan,
> specially after you close the case.
> be careful with the CPU, make sure you're hands are firm and it might
> not slip from them.
> i usually bring a case with the power supply already in it. i start with
> mother board, then CPU, then RAMs. i start working with the small wires
> and pins. afterwards, i go for HDs and CD drives. connect the to the
> board. connect them to power supply, connect the board with the power
> supply. and then any extensions, VGA, sound card or something else.
> you need to be careful with CPU cooling. make sure that the heatsink is
> touching the CPU firmly. usually the clay-like substance beween them
> ensures that they are connected with each other. or else, the heatsink
> won't be able to suck the temperature from the CPU effectively! so be
> careful here.
>   
This is the kind of advice I wanted.  Thanks.
>   
>> Cordially,
>>
>> Steven                                                                 
>> P.S.:  Can you think of anything needed that I am missing, other than
>>                                                                          
>>             the Arctic Silver?
>>
>>     
>
> an ATI VGA? it's far less trouble than nVidia nowadays, specially if
> you're planning to use KDE4
>   
Will the on board Video be OK for a while?  I would like to get the 
system up and running.
>
>
>   




From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Sun Nov  9 06:27:24 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:27:24 +0200
Subject: Mounting media - 8.10 Intrepid
Message-ID: <491682CC.4000008@prayingforisrael.net>

How does the mdia mounting in 8.10 Intrepid work?
It seems that it mounts when the taskbar icon 'Renectly mounted media (or something like that) is 
clicked and then the item itself is clicked - which then opens it it Dolphin?!! Why is thee no 
option about how or with what to open it? I wanted to watch a DVD and had to first open Xine then 
  play the DVD.
Also, how does one unmount a mounted media? There is no 'safely remove' menu item anywhere. I did 
find in Dolphin an entry for the DVD and could right click on that and choose' Eject' but as soon 
as the DVD drawer opened it closed again - one needs to have real good reflexes to get the disk 
out before the drawer closes again!

Really wanted to like Intrepid but I think I shall wait until January when KDE 4.2 comes out.
Or perhaps I will install another WM - maybe Xfce and then just use the KDE apps that I like/need.

Blessings,

Nigel

P.S. Shame that they have crippled Konqueror in KDE 4.xxx
-- 



From girardhenri at free.fr  Sun Nov  9 07:01:15 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:01:15 +0100
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <200811081918.15708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811081751.26510.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<1226133950.8789.2.camel@ri>
	<200811081918.15708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226214075.11475.0.camel@ri>

Le samedi 08 novembre 2008 à 19:18 +1000, Lindsay Mathieson a écrit :
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:45:50 pm Girard Henri wrote:
> > yes... no kdevelop (pity)
> > More that's why I tried it i thaught i would get kdevelop
> > no i will try to do it by hand :)
> > did you install it ? neon
> 
> This might interest you:
> 
>   http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/
> 
> This installable 1.1.72 Live-CD contains a snapshot of KDE 4.2 development and 
> Amarok, Digikam, KTorrent, K3b, KOffice2 development releases. 
> 
> -- 
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 
> 
> 




From girardhenri at free.fr  Sun Nov  9 07:04:23 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:04:23 +0100
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <200811081918.15708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811081751.26510.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<1226133950.8789.2.camel@ri>
	<200811081918.15708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
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I stick to kde4.2 from kubuntu... I got few problems with compiling and
not yet able to compile kdevplatform...
now i am trying to compile kde4.2 kdeedu, if it successes i go further.
kde-four-live blocked at splash...
thanks
henri


Le samedi 08 novembre 2008 à 19:18 +1000, Lindsay Mathieson a écrit :
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:45:50 pm Girard Henri wrote:
> > yes... no kdevelop (pity)
> > More that's why I tried it i thaught i would get kdevelop
> > no i will try to do it by hand :)
> > did you install it ? neon
> 
> This might interest you:
> 
>   http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/
> 
> This installable 1.1.72 Live-CD contains a snapshot of KDE 4.2 development and 
> Amarok, Digikam, KTorrent, K3b, KOffice2 development releases. 
> 
> -- 
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 
> 
> 




From girardhenri at free.fr  Sun Nov  9 07:04:55 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:04:55 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu Intrepid 64 Bit
In-Reply-To: <200811091019.25142.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811091019.25142.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
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Le dimanche 09 novembre 2008 à 10:19 +1000, Lindsay Mathieson a écrit :
> Are there any advantages to running Intrepid 64 bit over the std 32bit builds?
> -- 
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 
> 
> 




From girardhenri at free.fr  Sun Nov  9 07:07:53 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:07:53 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu Intrepid 64 Bit
In-Reply-To: <200811091019.25142.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811091019.25142.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226214473.11475.8.camel@ri>

I don't know but my acer aspire doesn't want to start in 32 bits ! lol
so i am scotched to 64 bits (which is not bad by the way)
compiling time are reduced at least by two !!!
and often one has to compile to get an app... which seems to be the case
with scilab 5 mysql-workbench ... etc...


Le dimanche 09 novembre 2008 à 10:19 +1000, Lindsay Mathieson a écrit :
> Are there any advantages to running Intrepid 64 bit over the std 32bit builds?
> -- 
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 
> 
> 




From girardhenri at free.fr  Sun Nov  9 07:11:26 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:11:26 +0100
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
In-Reply-To: <200811091228.46106.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811091228.46106.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226214686.11475.9.camel@ri>

Le dimanche 09 novembre 2008 à 12:28 +1000, Lindsay Mathieson a écrit :
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:56:38 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> > Over the past year I have accumulated the components for a new
> > computer.  I will be changing to 64 bit.
> >
> > Not having a 64 bit system, I have not been paying attention to the
> > unique problems 64 bit users have had when installing and configuring a
> > Kubuntu OS.  I would like to begin with a stable application, so which
> > version should I start with?
> 
> Well, having been inspired by your post, and a certain amount of boredom, I 
> changed my install to 64bit :) I had an existing Intrepid (8.10) 32 bit, so 
> decided on Intrepid64.
> 
> Went very smoothly, I elected to do a fresh install from scratch while 
> preserving my existing home directory. Probably took 20 minutes all up. 
> Everything is working exactly as it was before - applications, nvidia drivers, 
> flash etc.
> 
> So I'd like to say I have 64 bit experience, but really it was no different 
> from the 32 bit install at all.
> 
> I'd go with Kubuntu Intrepid 64 bit myself, its been trouble free. Can't speak 
> to your hardware though, must admit mine is recent and fairly standard.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 
> 
> 




From girardhenri at free.fr  Sun Nov  9 07:15:27 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:15:27 +0100
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
In-Reply-To: <200811091228.46106.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811091228.46106.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226214927.11475.13.camel@ri>

I baught recently for my wife hap pavillon phenom x3
believing it wouldn't be compatible with intrepid 64 bits
i tried cdlive and o surprise passed better than with my intelcore duo !
lol



Le dimanche 09 novembre 2008 à 12:28 +1000, Lindsay Mathieson a écrit :
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:56:38 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> > Over the past year I have accumulated the components for a new
> > computer.  I will be changing to 64 bit.
> >
> > Not having a 64 bit system, I have not been paying attention to the
> > unique problems 64 bit users have had when installing and configuring a
> > Kubuntu OS.  I would like to begin with a stable application, so which
> > version should I start with?
> 
> Well, having been inspired by your post, and a certain amount of boredom, I 
> changed my install to 64bit :) I had an existing Intrepid (8.10) 32 bit, so 
> decided on Intrepid64.
> 
> Went very smoothly, I elected to do a fresh install from scratch while 
> preserving my existing home directory. Probably took 20 minutes all up. 
> Everything is working exactly as it was before - applications, nvidia drivers, 
> flash etc.
> 
> So I'd like to say I have 64 bit experience, but really it was no different 
> from the 32 bit install at all.
> 
> I'd go with Kubuntu Intrepid 64 bit myself, its been trouble free. Can't speak 
> to your hardware though, must admit mine is recent and fairly standard.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 
> 
> 




From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org  Sun Nov  9 08:06:53 2008
From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:06:53 +0100
Subject: Is this possible?
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811071236.42554.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<4914A100.9090905@swbell.net>
	<200811071529.45092.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> writes:

> There was no upgrade path Dapper -> Feisty or Dapper -> Gutsy without first 
> upgrading to Edgy.  The double (or triple) upgrade was doable, but both a 
> PITA and an opportunity for unintended mischief.

I once upgraded from Breezy to Gutsy (mostly because I had a Breezy CD
laying around, and I wanted to see if it was possible).

-- 
John L. Fjellstad
web: http://www.fjellstad.org/          Quis custodiet ipsos custodes




From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org  Sun Nov  9 08:03:22 2008
From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:03:22 +0100
Subject: Is this possible?
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<4914184D.3050600@gmail.com>
	<3370497.XRhvNeiN6k@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811071229.37487.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87od0p2unp.fsf@fjellstad.org>

Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> writes:

> Those of us who have successfully convinced businesses to adopt Linux
> did so based on its stability and reliability.

Would a business upgrade every 6 months? Or would they stay with one
version as long as possible?  Granted, Kubuntu Hardy wasn't an official
LTS, but there wasn't a reason to upgrade if you were running a
business.

That said, even though I'm a pretty happy KDE4 user, and would probably
had made it permanent even if Intrepid hadn't made it the only DE, I do
agree with you that it was a mistake to not have KDE3 as an alternative.

-- 
John L. Fjellstad
web: http://www.fjellstad.org/          Quis custodiet ipsos custodes




From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 08:23:16 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:23:16 +0200
Subject: kde4 and bluetooth
In-Reply-To: <2759cf860811081427j1409c96bp2a52718cd1010cd9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f950edef0811081404i4ea1fc1jf9db9d7c8b90563f@mail.gmail.com>
	<2759cf860811081427j1409c96bp2a52718cd1010cd9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49169DF4.2030201@gmail.com>

Jared Greenwald wrote:
> I tried to get my logitech mouse working with the livecd and got
> nowhere, not sure about an actual install tho.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Francisco Borges
> <francisco.borges at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Bluetooth used to work well on Gutsy. Now I don't get notifications, and
>> konqueror says that bluetooth is unsupported.
>>
>> Is it possible to use Bluetooth on KDE4?

 From the release notes for 8.10, Known Issues:
Bluetooth is currently broken for Kubuntu Intrepid due to a last minute 
upgrade of the bluez stack. (Bug 280997)





From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 10:16:34 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:16:34 +0200
Subject: Mounting media - 8.10 Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <491682CC.4000008@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <491682CC.4000008@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811090216x527b7eeaj2159e2f9fc6b7e27@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/9 Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:
> How does the mdia mounting in 8.10 Intrepid work?

I think that it is still done with hal, but hal has changed (and taken
on new responsibilities) in *buntu 8.10.

> It seems that it mounts when the taskbar icon 'Renectly mounted media (or something like that) is
> clicked and then the item itself is clicked - which then opens it it Dolphin?!!

Why not? Aren't you opening a direcotry? Are you suggesting that
Kubuntu should recognize it as a video DVD and give an option to open
in a media player? If so, that does sound logical and you (or I) can
file a bug.

> Why is thee no
> option about how or with what to open it? I wanted to watch a DVD and had to first open Xine then
>  play the DVD.
> Also, how does one unmount a mounted media?

By right-clicking on the icon. I remember it being this way in KDE 3.x
as well. How else would you prefer it to be?

> There is no 'safely remove' menu item anywhere. I did
> find in Dolphin an entry for the DVD and could right click on that and choose' Eject' but as soon
> as the DVD drawer opened it closed again - one needs to have real good reflexes to get the disk
> out before the drawer closes again!
>

My system leaves the drawer open. Sounds like a bug.

> Really wanted to like Intrepid but I think I shall wait until January when KDE 4.2 comes out.

That really is the best idea. KDE 4.1 is workable but buggy. KDE 4.2
is the first KDE 4.x that is meant to be feature complete.

> Or perhaps I will install another WM - maybe Xfce and then just use the KDE apps that I like/need.

XFCE is pretty decent if you are looking for a full-time switch. But
if you just want something temporary until KDE 4.2 then I suggest that
you stick with KDE 3.5.10.

> P.S. Shame that they have crippled Konqueror in KDE 4.xxx

It's not crippled, but it is not feature complete. Please tell me what
you feel is missing so that I can file bugs. Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 11:48:04 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:48:04 +0100
Subject: kde4 and bluetooth
In-Reply-To: <49169DF4.2030201@gmail.com>
References: <f950edef0811081404i4ea1fc1jf9db9d7c8b90563f@mail.gmail.com>
	<2759cf860811081427j1409c96bp2a52718cd1010cd9@mail.gmail.com>
	<49169DF4.2030201@gmail.com>
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On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:23 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jared Greenwald wrote:
> > I tried to get my logitech mouse working with the livecd and got
> > nowhere, not sure about an actual install tho.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Francisco Borges
> > <francisco.borges at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Bluetooth used to work well on Gutsy. Now I don't get notifications, and
> >> konqueror says that bluetooth is unsupported.
> >>
> >> Is it possible to use Bluetooth on KDE4?
>
>  From the release notes for 8.10, Known Issues:
> Bluetooth is currently broken for Kubuntu Intrepid due to a last minute
> upgrade of the bluez stack. (Bug 280997)
>
>
Thanks for pointing this out, and to Jared for confirming that this wasn't a
problem with only my computer.

Kind regards,
-- 
Francisco
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 12:57:54 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:57:54 -0500
Subject: converting to 64 bit
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811090457s1fc1d2b2j5e876f6afab6f0c6@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like the issues unique to 64 bit have calmed down a bit.  I'd
like to switch as I have been playing with 64 bit Debian at work, and
like its snappiness, and want to access all 4 GB of my ram.

Is there a reasonable path to switching, or do I need a fresh install?
 If I do a fresh install on another drive, can I just copy my /home
over?

On Hardy now, but don't mind coordinating this with an upgrade.



-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From mickrulist at voipfuture.com  Sun Nov  9 13:02:20 2008
From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:02:20 +0100
Subject: How to use Opera as Mail target in OpenOffice?
Message-ID: <op.ukcrt6unpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>

Hi,

I would like to use Opera as my browser and email client. It works just  
great. However a tiny little thing doesn't ;-)
Using Opera as my mail application with OpenOffice doesn't work.
I know that Opera does support command line arguments to invoke the mail  
client like:

opera -remote openComposer mailto:<mailaddress>

But when I insert the command ...

opera -remote openComposer mailto:

... in the OpenOffice Email configuration, then not even an empty mail  
window is opened. Does anybody have a solution to this?

-- 
Michael
VoIPFuture



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 13:14:42 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 08:14:42 -0500
Subject: Mounting media - 8.10 Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811090216x527b7eeaj2159e2f9fc6b7e27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491682CC.4000008@prayingforisrael.net>
	<880dece00811090216x527b7eeaj2159e2f9fc6b7e27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811090514s2c299e42m1c625d9ea783ca40@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:16 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/9 Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:
>> How does the mdia mounting in 8.10 Intrepid work?

>> It seems that it mounts when the taskbar icon 'Renectly mounted media (or something like that) is
>> clicked and then the item itself is clicked - which then opens it it Dolphin?!!
>
> Why not? Aren't you opening a direcotry? Are you suggesting that
> Kubuntu should recognize it as a video DVD and give an option to open
> in a media player? If so, that does sound logical and you (or I) can
> file a bug.
>
>> Why is thee no
>> option about how or with what to open it? I wanted to watch a DVD and had to first open Xine then
>>  play the DVD.

Well, yes.  KDE 3 (and Windows) does detect that it is a video DVD,
and asks you whether you want to browse it, play it in Kaffeine, copy
it with k3b, or rip it with k3b.  I believe the behavior that Nigel
describes is the way gnome does it.

-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From jesus_arocho at comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 13:59:19 2008
From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 08:59:19 -0500
Subject: Raid controller suggestion
Message-ID: <200811090859.19552.jesus_arocho@comcast.net>

Anyone have a suggestion for a home NAS and raid controller?  Thanks.



From jonorland at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 14:18:53 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:18:53 +0100
Subject: Mounting media - 8.10 Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811090216x527b7eeaj2159e2f9fc6b7e27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491682CC.4000008@prayingforisrael.net>
	<880dece00811090216x527b7eeaj2159e2f9fc6b7e27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811090618q39a584cdvff2b7a0ffb899d22@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/9 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> 2008/11/9 Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:
>> How does the mdia mounting in 8.10 Intrepid work?
>
> I think that it is still done with hal, but hal has changed (and taken
> on new responsibilities) in *buntu 8.10.
>
>> It seems that it mounts when the taskbar icon 'Renectly mounted media (or something like that) is
>> clicked and then the item itself is clicked - which then opens it it Dolphin?!!
>
> Why not? Aren't you opening a direcotry? Are you suggesting that
> Kubuntu should recognize it as a video DVD and give an option to open
> in a media player? If so, that does sound logical and you (or I) can
> file a bug.

Thats how it worked in Kubuntu 8.04 and earlier. I think that could be
related to that service menus don't work anymore. I posted a mail
about that but got no answers yet.

>> Why is thee no
>> option about how or with what to open it? I wanted to watch a DVD and had to first open Xine then
>>  play the DVD.
>> Also, how does one unmount a mounted media?
>
> By right-clicking on the icon. I remember it being this way in KDE 3.x
> as well. How else would you prefer it to be?
>
>> There is no 'safely remove' menu item anywhere. I did
>> find in Dolphin an entry for the DVD and could right click on that and choose' Eject' but as soon
>> as the DVD drawer opened it closed again - one needs to have real good reflexes to get the disk
>> out before the drawer closes again!
>>
>
> My system leaves the drawer open. Sounds like a bug.

Looks like a bug as i have that to. If i push the eject button while
it's closing again it will open and stay open.

To safely remove you have a "down arrow" in the  "Recently mounted
media" widget you can click to unmount and eject. But there should
really be another GUI way to unmount medias without being forced to
use that widget.

> Dotan Cohen
>

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 14:24:47 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:24:47 +0100
Subject: bluez 4.x documentation anywhere?
In-Reply-To: <491612D1.4090509@akl.lt>
References: <491612D1.4090509@akl.lt>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811090624g1d1e634an69c2bd2c205756fe@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/8 Donatas G. <dgvirtual at akl.lt>:
> Hi, is there any easy documentation for bluez 4.x that is used in Intrepid?
>
> I used my phone as a remote previously in 7.10 and 8.04 versions, and it
> does not work anymore.
>
> I also had a bluetooth access point configured in 8.04, and it does not
> work anymore...
>
> All the documentation I could find by googling seems to be very much
> outdated...
>
> Donatas Glodenis
>

If i remember right there is some problems with bluetooth in Intrepid....
Yeah looks like that. Check out Known Issues at
http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release

/ Jonas



From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org  Sun Nov  9 15:59:16 2008
From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:59:16 +0100
Subject: 8.10/4.1 screensavers
References: <4910B012.60908@swbell.net>
	<200811041430.48083.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<4910EC96.80904@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <87wsfcq4a3.fsf@fjellstad.org>

Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net> writes:

> That did the trick. Thanks a bunch.

If your graphic card supports OpenGL, you might want to install the
rss-glx package too.  Has some cool 3D screensavers

-- 
John L. Fjellstad
web: http://www.fjellstad.org/          Quis custodiet ipsos custodes




From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org  Sun Nov  9 15:55:31 2008
From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:55:31 +0100
Subject: Screen real estate with dolphin
References: <200811061629.24933.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<49138C37.7080805@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <871vxkrj0s.fsf@fjellstad.org>

Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> however, it does not remember that process.  It appears that you have
> to do that each time you want it removed rather than having it stay a
> default.  It would be nice if it way stay the way you set it until you
> changed it again as your choice.  I could lose the right sidebar
> forever.  I use the left though.

You can the move the panels around. For instance, you could move the
Information panel (the right panel in the default setup) to the left
side of the window (below Places panel). Search on youtube for "kde
dolphin" to see some of the stuff you can do.

Note, this is KDE 4.1 (Kubuntu 8.10)

-- 
John L. Fjellstad
web: http://www.fjellstad.org/          Quis custodiet ipsos custodes




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 16:35:07 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:35:07 +0200
Subject: Mounting media - 8.10 Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811090216x527b7eeaj2159e2f9fc6b7e27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491682CC.4000008@prayingforisrael.net>
	<880dece00811090216x527b7eeaj2159e2f9fc6b7e27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811090835h419c1bbfwd824fe805d4d25b0@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/9 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> 2008/11/9 Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:
>> How does the mdia mounting in 8.10 Intrepid work?
>
> I think that it is still done with hal, but hal has changed (and taken
> on new responsibilities) in *buntu 8.10.
>
>> It seems that it mounts when the taskbar icon 'Renectly mounted media (or something like that) is
>> clicked and then the item itself is clicked - which then opens it it Dolphin?!!
>
> Why not? Aren't you opening a direcotry? Are you suggesting that
> Kubuntu should recognize it as a video DVD and give an option to open
> in a media player? If so, that does sound logical and you (or I) can
> file a bug.
>

it used to display a window in KDE3 showing us multiple options.
and, when i insert anything, USB disk, cd, or anything, the recently
*somethng* media plasmoid, notifies me, once i click it, the media
gets mounted, and dolphin starts. but if i don't click it, the media
would still be unmounted, and i can't browse with konqueror to it, i
have to manually mount it in a konsole, which is a pain. i have
konqueror set as default app for handling directories, and all apps
respect this and open folders in konqi, except this plasmoid which
fires up dolphin! i want the media to be either automagically mounted,
or given a list of options to what we want to do. if the KDE team
decided that the list of options i bad, or windows-like and so dropped
it. maybe they can put such a feature in the plasmoid?

>> Why is thee no
>> option about how or with what to open it? I wanted to watch a DVD and had to first open Xine then
>>  play the DVD.
>> Also, how does one unmount a mounted media?
>
> By right-clicking on the icon. I remember it being this way in KDE 3.x
> as well. How else would you prefer it to be?

uhm.. what icon? it used to show on Desktop, and i was able to
righ-click mount/unmount, this used to be very handy, butwith
theremoval of the Desktop, this feature is lost. the only way to
unmount is through dolphin, a menu in the left upper corner of the
display space. this option should be included in konqueror.

>
>> There is no 'safely remove' menu item anywhere. I did
>> find in Dolphin an entry for the DVD and could right click on that and choose' Eject' but as soon
>> as the DVD drawer opened it closed again - one needs to have real good reflexes to get the disk
>> out before the drawer closes again!
>>
>
> My system leaves the drawer open. Sounds like a bug.
>

same here. ejected media, no matter what app is doing the ejection,
the drawer goes straight back! this is not a hardware issue since the
eject button on the case works fine, and windows doesn't have this as
well.

>> Really wanted to like Intrepid but I think I shall wait until January when KDE 4.2 comes out.
>
> That really is the best idea. KDE 4.1 is workable but buggy. KDE 4.2
> is the first KDE 4.x that is meant to be feature complete.
>

nice to hear, can't wait :-)

>> Or perhaps I will install another WM - maybe Xfce and then just use the KDE apps that I like/need.
>
> XFCE is pretty decent if you are looking for a full-time switch. But
> if you just want something temporary until KDE 4.2 then I suggest that
> you stick with KDE 3.5.10.
>

what's wrong with GNOME? i haven't tried XFCE yet, but GNOME seems
good enough, and runs KDE4 apps brilliantly

>> P.S. Shame that they have crippled Konqueror in KDE 4.xxx
>
> It's not crippled, but it is not feature complete. Please tell me what
> you feel is missing so that I can file bugs. Thanks!
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>
> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
> --
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> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>



-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.

From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net  Sun Nov  9 16:43:00 2008
From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:43:00 -0500
Subject: Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<200811070102.33040.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811091143.01107.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>

On Friday 07 November 2008 03:46:01 Knapp wrote (Reply at bottom):
> I will say it again. The problems are not with KDE changing and
> improving. That is the right thing for them to do!!!!!!!!!! The
> problem is with making a program, OS, Desktop the standard before it
> is ready!!!!! The set up of 8.04, with kde4 in the background is the
> way it should have stayed for at least one more year. Then when the
> change was made people would be saying WOW, GREAT. At the same time
> KDE3 should in this edition with the switch be an option in the
> background so that grumpy, hate to change types don't have to!
> The way this change is being done by Kubuntu is really bad (I would
> say stupid but I learn from others mistakes) IMOHO.


Yeah, I knew this was going to happen back when I first tried kde4.0 and saw it 
wasn't ready for casual users. KDE 4.0 never should have been released as it 
was, and the problem was compounded by kubuntu adopting it. People expect 
'releases' to be stable and complete. So you had KDE calling 4.0, kubuntu 
adopting it - who woudl think it was in sad a shape as it still it.

Still I use it, I can get by with it, and I'm growing to like some of the 
features and improvements but I still miss the ability to do some of the most 
trivial things that any .0 or .1, or .1.1 or .1.2, or .1.3 release should 
have.

Personally I'd have to agree that 3.5.10 should have been in intrepid with 4 
available optionally.

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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Sun Nov  9 16:56:37 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:56:37 +0200
Subject: Mounting media - 8.10 Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811090216x527b7eeaj2159e2f9fc6b7e27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491682CC.4000008@prayingforisrael.net>
	<880dece00811090216x527b7eeaj2159e2f9fc6b7e27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49171645.2010109@prayingforisrael.net>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/9 Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:
>> How does the mdia mounting in 8.10 Intrepid work?
> 
> I think that it is still done with hal, but hal has changed (and taken
> on new responsibilities) in *buntu 8.10.
> 
>> It seems that it mounts when the taskbar icon 'Renectly mounted media (or something like that) is
>> clicked and then the item itself is clicked - which then opens it it Dolphin?!!
> 
> Why not? Aren't you opening a direcotry? Are you suggesting that
> Kubuntu should recognize it as a video DVD and give an option to open
> in a media player? If so, that does sound logical and you (or I) can
> file a bug.

Sorry I should have said that it was a DVD that I inserted - so no, I didn't want Dolphin to open it.

> 
>> Why is thee no
>> option about how or with what to open it? I wanted to watch a DVD and had to first open Xine then
>>  play the DVD.
>> Also, how does one unmount a mounted media?
> 
> By right-clicking on the icon. I remember it being this way in KDE 3.x
> as well. How else would you prefer it to be?

Which icon? There are no icons on the desktop. The Panel 'New Device Notifier' widget? isn't very 
clear about anything. It would be helpful to have a 'tooltip' explanation about 
mounting/unmounting or 'safely Remove'.

> 
>> There is no 'safely remove' menu item anywhere. I did
>> find in Dolphin an entry for the DVD and could right click on that and choose' Eject' but as soon
>> as the DVD drawer opened it closed again - one needs to have real good reflexes to get the disk
>> out before the drawer closes again!
>>
> 
> My system leaves the drawer open. Sounds like a bug.
> 
>> Really wanted to like Intrepid but I think I shall wait until January when KDE 4.2 comes out.
> 
> That really is the best idea. KDE 4.1 is workable but buggy. KDE 4.2
> is the first KDE 4.x that is meant to be feature complete.
> 
>> Or perhaps I will install another WM - maybe Xfce and then just use the KDE apps that I like/need.
> 
> XFCE is pretty decent if you are looking for a full-time switch. But
> if you just want something temporary until KDE 4.2 then I suggest that
> you stick with KDE 3.5.10.
> 
>> P.S. Shame that they have crippled Konqueror in KDE 4.xxx
> 
> It's not crippled, but it is not feature complete. Please tell me what
> you feel is missing so that I can file bugs. Thanks!
> 

You're probably right about the missing features - or perhaps they want people to forget about 
Konqueror by making it more like Dolphin.
I really miss all the right click menu options and the extra info that pops up when the mouse 
pointer is hovered over a directory entry.
But maybe it's because it's still not feature complete....

Is there a roadmap for Konqueror in KDE 4?

Blessings,

Nigel - waiting for January......

-- 



From dgvirtual at akl.lt  Sun Nov  9 19:03:53 2008
From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:03:53 +0200
Subject: bluez 4.x documentation anywhere?
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811090624g1d1e634an69c2bd2c205756fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491612D1.4090509@akl.lt>
	<b8d784880811090624g1d1e634an69c2bd2c205756fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49173419.3060208@akl.lt>

Jonas Norlander rašė:
> 2008/11/8 Donatas G. <dgvirtual at akl.lt>:
>   
>> Hi, is there any easy documentation for bluez 4.x that is used in Intrepid?
>>
>> I used my phone as a remote previously in 7.10 and 8.04 versions, and it
>> does not work anymore.
>>
>> I also had a bluetooth access point configured in 8.04, and it does not
>> work anymore...
>>
>> All the documentation I could find by googling seems to be very much
>> outdated...
>>
>> Donatas Glodenis
>>
>>     
>
> If i remember right there is some problems with bluetooth in Intrepid....
> Yeah looks like that. Check out Known Issues at
> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release
>
> / Jonas
>
>   
Is it kbluetooth4 that is  broken, or all of the bluez stack?

I read that it is only the kde part of it. I do not need it that much.

I used to connect my mobile phone as a hid remote to control Kaffeine by
issuing a command

sudo hidd --connect 00:1E:45:49:D4:05

and now it no longer works, the binary hidd is not even installed. To
get it I have to install a compatibility with bluez 3.x stack package
bluez-compat, but it still does not work.

It gives an error
HID create error 77  (File descriptor in bad state)

the same is true of the pand binary; I used to run

pand --master --listen --role NAP --devup /etc/bluetooth/pan/dev-up

to start an access point in my laptop for the mobile phone (or another
computer) to connect to, but now it does not work.  pand is in
bluez-compat package...

The configuration files and options for bluetooth have changed
dramatically - just see the /etc/bluetooth directory contents.

I was wondering if there are any easy howto's for the new bluetooth
configuration and CLI interface....


Donatas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 22:09:45 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:09:45 +0100
Subject: bluez 4.x documentation anywhere?
In-Reply-To: <49173419.3060208@akl.lt>
References: <491612D1.4090509@akl.lt>
	<b8d784880811090624g1d1e634an69c2bd2c205756fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<49173419.3060208@akl.lt>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811091409m627150f1tbd7694a22e0bc715@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/9 Donatas G. <dgvirtual at akl.lt>:
> Jonas Norlander rašė:
>> 2008/11/8 Donatas G. <dgvirtual at akl.lt>:
>>
>>> Hi, is there any easy documentation for bluez 4.x that is used in Intrepid?
>>>
>>> I used my phone as a remote previously in 7.10 and 8.04 versions, and it
>>> does not work anymore.
>>>
>>> I also had a bluetooth access point configured in 8.04, and it does not
>>> work anymore...
>>>
>>> All the documentation I could find by googling seems to be very much
>>> outdated...
>>>
>>> Donatas Glodenis
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If i remember right there is some problems with bluetooth in Intrepid....
>> Yeah looks like that. Check out Known Issues at
>> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release
>>
>> / Jonas
>>
>>
> Is it kbluetooth4 that is  broken, or all of the bluez stack?

I have no idea. I just remembered that i saw something about bluetooth
was broken in Intrepid. I don't use it myself, sorry cant help you
more.

/ Jonas

From santana.santanaa at bol.com.br  Sun Nov  9 22:09:59 2008
From: santana.santanaa at bol.com.br (Mosair Alves Santana)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:09:59 -0200
Subject: bluez 4.x documentation anywhere?
In-Reply-To: <49173419.3060208@akl.lt>
References: <491612D1.4090509@akl.lt>
	<b8d784880811090624g1d1e634an69c2bd2c205756fe@mail.gmail.com>
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From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:11:26 -0400
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2919658.NliWIHis8B@cedar.serverforest.com>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:

> 2008/11/7 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:

>> You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I gave
>> up on Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier
>> person today.
> 
> i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
> KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI, and
> i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
> disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
> other crapware deserves to be abandoned!

Intel video is far from the best, but at least they support Linux, and it's
easy to get...
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 10 01:15:05 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:15:05 -0400
Subject: Is this possible?
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>	<f495db580811070046y74dbf3c2x14b54418461f15de@mail.gmail.com>	<49144871.10209@swbell.net>
	<200811071236.42554.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<4914A100.9090905@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <11467437.fhuuXH7iTH@cedar.serverforest.com>

Billie Walsh wrote:

>> OK, Billie, what do I do if I buy a new machine in the next year with
>> hardware
>> that isn't supported by 8.04, but is supported by 8.10?  What do I
>> install?
> 
> Do you _really_ expect hardware to make such a quantum leap that it
> can't be used? Do you have some "insider" information that we all should
> know about? *<];o)

It doesn't require quantum leaps (I trust everybody here understands
that "quantum leap" is redundant...).

There's always hardware that's too new for Linux support, because Linux
support tends to be created _after_ the fact.

> Just think. When KDE 5 comes out we will have this whole thing to go
> through again. By then KDE 4.x will be every bodies mostest favorite
> ever. Someone else already mentioned the flap when KDE 3 came out.

Actually, somebody already mentioned the flap when KDE _2_ came out :-)
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 10 01:17:21 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:17:21 -0400
Subject: Is this possible?
References: <200811061307.08088.ardchoille42@gmail.com>
	<4914A100.9090905@swbell.net>
	<200811071542.06396.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811072344.40124.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1329728.H49EZg33HT@cedar.serverforest.com>

Constantinos Maltezos wrote:

> And two instances of the
> picture view widget give me two pictures of my sweet darlin' to look at
> when I feel the need and don't you dare tell me that's cosmetic.

LOL.  In fact, anybody who ignores the importance of that sort of touch just
doesn't get the whole concept of user-interface design.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 10 01:19:28 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:19:28 -0400
Subject: question on screenshots
References: <200811032047.27637.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<200811071514.03748.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<200811071029.22122.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811071538.40196.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <2530082.azQVi2grDq@cedar.serverforest.com>

David Fletcher wrote:

> On Friday 07 Nov 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote:
>> >
>> > I've always used ksnapshot, under the graphics section.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> 
>> Thanks, Dave. That worked for my purposes. It would be good to know if
>> those print keys work as well, but this solved my immediate problem.
> 
> Just for fun I tried pressing the PrintScreen key. It puts up ksnapshot

It certainly should, but it's annoying that ksnapshot doesn't actually have
shortcuts for Print-region, Print-window, etc (at least afaict)
-- 
derek




From an8elic at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 05:02:15 2008
From: an8elic at yahoo.com (Franis Engel)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:02:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is Juno DSL service compatible with Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <638897.15889.qm@web90607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Aloha,
It doesn't make sense to me that it wouldn't be, but the question is too difficult for Juno customer service. They say "only Windows" works with Juno DSL.
Is there anyone out there that has DSL provided by Juno who is using Linux with it?

Thanks,
Frani


      



From eqisow at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 05:16:38 2008
From: eqisow at gmail.com (Justin)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:16:38 -0500
Subject: Is Juno DSL service compatible with Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <638897.15889.qm@web90607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <638897.15889.qm@web90607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6c687af0811092116m6f082c80n7d69bd615609ef39@mail.gmail.com>

Juno, like all other DSL, uses standard internet protocols. Setup should be
the same with any operating system.

The only type of internet connection that could pose a problem is dial-up
with a winmodem.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Franis Engel <an8elic at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Aloha,
> It doesn't make sense to me that it wouldn't be, but the question is too
> difficult for Juno customer service. They say "only Windows" works with Juno
> DSL.
> Is there anyone out there that has DSL provided by Juno who is using Linux
> with it?
>
> Thanks,
> Frani
>
>
>
>
> --
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 10 05:30:34 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:30:34 -0500
Subject: Is Juno DSL service compatible with Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <638897.15889.qm@web90607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <638897.15889.qm@web90607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4917C6FA.10404@sbcglobal.net>

Franis Engel wrote:
> Aloha,
> It doesn't make sense to me that it wouldn't be, but the question is too difficult for Juno customer service. They say "only Windows" works with Juno DSL.
> Is there anyone out there that has DSL provided by Juno who is using Linux with it?
>
> Thanks,
> Frani
>
>
>       
>
>   
No, but I use AT&T and they don't support Linux either.  They don't like 
it, but they will help get things working.  They try to get a huge fee 
from a Linux department, but I can't afford that, so anytime I need 
their help, I simply say help me or cancel my DSL.  I won't pay if it 
doesn't work and I can't afford to pay $100 to get what others get for 
free.  The difference in configuration isn't that difficult to figure 
out to make it work anyway.  In fact once you have had to solve a 
problem or two the hard way, it gets easier.  I am confident Juno DSL 
could be made to work, just tell them you are using Windows until you 
get it working.  Then if you have a problem and they don't want to help, 
tell them you have been a customer a long time and have always just used 
Linux.

Microsoft has this thing so long, it has to be getting to the 
suppliers.  We Linux users will not change, we are just forced to be 
untruthful by saying we use Windows, but the techies find out and think 
it isn't fair either, and usually
help until the problem is solved.  I hate the lying thing, but I don't 
know how to solve that.  By the way, AT&T joint ventured the creation of 
Linux with Unix, and they don't service their own product.  Go figure.

Just remember, once they get your monthly payment, they never want to 
give it up.  They virtually do nothing to get it, so giving it up is 
kind of like no longer getting paid for doing nothing.  No one likes to 
give up free stuff.  I think it is a way of winning the Microsoft 
conspiracy.  In time everyone will learn how to service Linux, so when 
you need them, they will just ignore their company policy until it 
becomes company policy.  Keep on with the good fight.

Cordially,
Steven



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Mon Nov 10 06:16:55 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:16:55 +0200
Subject: 8.10 & Nvidia + OOoo
Message-ID: <4917D1D7.7070900@prayingforisrael.net>

My son wanted to do some homework yesterday using OpenOffice. The computer has a Geforce card and 
is using the Nvidia drivers. I know that there are still some issues with the Nvidia drivers but 
I have found another one:
Open OpenOffice; click inside the window, then click on the desktop or let the mouse pointer 
hover over the Panel buttons; or click on the Kmenu button -- we get some really cool desktop 
effects - the colors all get inverted, most times the desktop goes black but sometimes the 
wallpaper color is inverted and it looks awesome!
OK, back to reality - it's basically unusable! Does anybody have any idea when Nvidia are going 
to get their drivers sorted out?

How do I switch to the nv driver?

Blessings,

Nigel
-- 



From stan10x10 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 06:35:49 2008
From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:35:49 -0500
Subject: change refresh in 8.10?
Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0811092235ha4b79f9q867141c806ff3e1a@mail.gmail.com>

running 8.10 using gforce 9700 and nvidia 177 drivers to mitsubish diamond
plus 200.  The resolutions max at 1024/762 and the refresh is max 50 which
is like watching a strobe.  How do I get the refresh rate up to 70?
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From girardhenri at free.fr  Mon Nov 10 06:39:11 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:39:11 +0100
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <2919658.NliWIHis8B@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com><200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu><4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>
	<2919658.NliWIHis8B@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <9372C4C777BB4EA88EB8486EEA5EE84A@zi>

distos are very funny !!!
i started first with mandrake and mandriva and came the 10 th... impossible 
to use it !
black screen to start install
after i choose redhat then fedora
some same problems i came to kubuntu and for 6 to 8.0.4 no problem...
even the only one to support b..sh... xpress 1200
with 8.10 and all distros i tried with kernel 2.6.27 i can 't boot after 
installing
cursor hangs in the left side and i have got some hexa that i don't 
understand !!
so my solution : install 8.0.4 then upgrade to 8.0.10 and then start with 
2.6.26 kernel :)
it's very annoying but not choice if i want to keep linux ... other distros 
have other problems...
 well i notice that more we go the worse it comes !!!
i just baught a hp computer for my wife phenom x3 : lucky her ... all is 
working either in 32 or 64 bits
on my intelcore acer aspire i can only install 64 bits ... well i will have 
to steel it :) lol
peace in family :)
lol

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Broughton" <news at pointerstop.ca>
To: <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu


> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>
>> 2008/11/7 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
>
>>> You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I gave
>>> up on Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier
>>> person today.
>>
>> i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
>> KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI, and
>> i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
>> disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
>> other crapware deserves to be abandoned!
>
> Intel video is far from the best, but at least they support Linux, and 
> it's
> easy to get...
> -- 
> derek
>
>
> -- 
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
> 





From jonorland at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 09:08:36 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:08:36 +0100
Subject: 8.10 & Nvidia + OOoo
In-Reply-To: <4917D1D7.7070900@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <4917D1D7.7070900@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811100108x4ea2eb69q77dc87bce14c6a8e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/10 Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:
> My son wanted to do some homework yesterday using OpenOffice. The computer has a Geforce card and
> is using the Nvidia drivers. I know that there are still some issues with the Nvidia drivers but
> I have found another one:
> Open OpenOffice; click inside the window, then click on the desktop or let the mouse pointer
> hover over the Panel buttons; or click on the Kmenu button -- we get some really cool desktop
> effects - the colors all get inverted, most times the desktop goes black but sometimes the
> wallpaper color is inverted and it looks awesome!
> OK, back to reality - it's basically unusable! Does anybody have any idea when Nvidia are going
> to get their drivers sorted out?
>
> How do I switch to the nv driver?
>
> Blessings,
>
> Nigel

You can try to disable the Desctop effects (if you have it enabled) to
see if it make any difference.

/ Jonas



From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 09:33:31 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:33:31 +0300
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <200811081629.13944.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<4912E419.5080702@gmail.com>
	<200811081629.13944.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4917FFEB.8080200@gmail.com>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:33:29 pm Alexander Smirnov wrote:
>   
>> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>>     
>>> I would like to try some KDE4 development - apps and plasmoids. However
>>> KDevelop seems somewhat lacking on direct KDE4 support - no wizards etc.
>>> Or have I missed the right packages for installation? Could anyone point
>>> me in the right direction?
>>>       
>> http://kde.org/getinvolved/development/
>> welcome!
>>     
>
>
> Thanks Alexander, I'm checking it out - not sure if its going to help me get 
> KDevelop configured however, but there are probably more appropriate lists to 
> ask those questions on there.
>   
hello,
Kdevelop for kde4 is not ready yet for development, so version for kde3 
should be used.

to setup build environment, follow the instructions: 
http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started

as for kdevelop IDE setup, proceed with 
http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#KDevelop

good luck!




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 09:45:24 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:45:24 +1000
Subject: KDE4 Development
In-Reply-To: <4917FFEB.8080200@gmail.com>
References: <200811060758.20513.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811081629.13944.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<4917FFEB.8080200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811101945.24804.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:33:31 pm Alexander Smirnov wrote:
> Kdevelop for kde4 is not ready yet for development, so version for kde3
> should be used.
>
> to setup build environment, follow the instructions:
> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started
>
> as for kdevelop IDE setup, proceed with
> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#KDevel
>op
>
> good luck!

Brilliant, thanks Alexander, exactly what I needed.

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From linuxhippy at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 10:11:52 2008
From: linuxhippy at gmail.com (Clemens Eisserer)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:11:52 +0100
Subject: 8.10 & Nvidia + OOoo
In-Reply-To: <4917D1D7.7070900@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <4917D1D7.7070900@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <194f62550811100211l7d705b5bpd2e62300063fcdbb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nigel,

That bug is already known and a fix is coming soon:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122043

- Clemens



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Mon Nov 10 10:13:23 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:13:23 +0200
Subject: 8.10 & Nvidia + OOoo
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811100108x4ea2eb69q77dc87bce14c6a8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4917D1D7.7070900@prayingforisrael.net>
	<b8d784880811100108x4ea2eb69q77dc87bce14c6a8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49180943.8060305@prayingforisrael.net>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/10 Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:
>> My son wanted to do some homework yesterday using OpenOffice. The computer has a Geforce card and
>> is using the Nvidia drivers. I know that there are still some issues with the Nvidia drivers but
>> I have found another one:
>> Open OpenOffice; click inside the window, then click on the desktop or let the mouse pointer
>> hover over the Panel buttons; or click on the Kmenu button -- we get some really cool desktop
>> effects - the colors all get inverted, most times the desktop goes black but sometimes the
>> wallpaper color is inverted and it looks awesome!
>> OK, back to reality - it's basically unusable! Does anybody have any idea when Nvidia are going
>> to get their drivers sorted out?
>>
>> How do I switch to the nv driver?
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Nigel
> 
> You can try to disable the Desctop effects (if you have it enabled) to
> see if it make any difference.
> 
> / Jonas
> 
I thought that those were the desktop effects ;-)

No, desktop effect were disabled.

Nigel

-- 



From linuxhippy at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 10:17:29 2008
From: linuxhippy at gmail.com (Clemens Eisserer)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:17:29 +0100
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <194f62550811100217g4b4ca23bj6ad2c70efff324@mail.gmail.com>

> i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
> KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI, and
> i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
> disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
> other crapware deserves to be abandoned!
And what then?
You'll have a hard time finding a R500 based card, because for all
others R600/700 (HD2x00-HD4x00) there are no open-source drivers which
offer at least 2D accaleration. The proprietary catalyst drivers offer
good OpenGL support, but don't provide *any* RENDER accaleration - so
they are much worse than NVidia.

I've benchmarked and tested the new 177.80 drivers, and although I
prefer free drivers I have to admit that NVidia has currently the
best-performing RENDER implementation across all driver/gpu
combinations. I hope Intel will come close once they've finished GEM
and will have done some tuning.

- Clemens



From jonorland at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 10:49:54 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:49:54 +0100
Subject: change refresh in 8.10?
In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0811092235ha4b79f9q867141c806ff3e1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69c7ddfb0811092235ha4b79f9q867141c806ff3e1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811100249y16156691xe3bccfb795c05eb@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/10 uriah heep <stan10x10 at gmail.com>:
> running 8.10 using gforce 9700 and nvidia 177 drivers to mitsubish diamond
> plus 200.  The resolutions max at 1024/762 and the refresh is max 50 which
> is like watching a strobe.  How do I get the refresh rate up to 70?
>

Try to run Nvidia X server settings and see if you can change it
there. I always ending up hacking the xorg.conf by hand as the auto
configuration or the GUI never worked any good with two monitors.

/ Jonas



From hermhart at zonnet.nl  Mon Nov 10 10:54:43 2008
From: hermhart at zonnet.nl (Herman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:54:43 +0100
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
Message-ID: <1226314483.7008.10.camel@herman-desktop>

Hello All,

Kubuntu 8.10 failler

I had the same problem, i change my videocard for an nvidia with 256 mb
and Kubuntu 8.10 was working wel on it
and then an update driver for the nvidiacard was availeble
and after a restart it didend start any more, not even in failsafe

So now i am back at Ubuntu 8.10 and this is working well, also with the
new driver for the nvidiacard

Some times when i startup the pc it is in 800x600 mode
that was also with diferend OS

i dont no why, but after an restart it works again.

regards Herman.




Willy K. Hamra wrote:

> 2008/11/7 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:

>> You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I
gave
>> up on Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a
happier
>> person today.
> 
> i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
> KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI,
and
> i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
> disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
> other crapware deserves to be abandoned!

Intel video is far from the best, but at least they support Linux, and
it's
easy to get...
-- 
derek


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kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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From hermhart at zonnet.nl  Mon Nov 10 11:01:08 2008
From: hermhart at zonnet.nl (Herman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:01:08 +0100
Subject: change refresh in 8.10?
In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0811092235ha4b79f9q867141c806ff3e1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69c7ddfb0811092235ha4b79f9q867141c806ff3e1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226314868.7008.15.camel@herman-desktop>

Hello All,

I think you need other drivers or going back to your earlier os, or
change your vidiocard ?

I am using now an nvidia with 256 mb, but that one is only made for
microsoft i think.
my kubuntu 8.10 did not work on it, so i am back at ubuntu 8.10.

regards herman



Op maandag 10-11-2008 om 01:35 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef uriah heep:
> running 8.10 using gforce 9700 and nvidia 177 drivers to mitsubish
> diamond plus 200.  The resolutions max at 1024/762 and the refresh is
> max 50 which is like watching a strobe.  How do I get the refresh rate
> up to 70?




From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 12:03:32 2008
From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCn?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:03:32 +0100
Subject: nvidia problems (WAS: I give up to preach *ubuntu)
In-Reply-To: <1226314483.7008.10.camel@herman-desktop>
References: <1226314483.7008.10.camel@herman-desktop>
Message-ID: <200811101303.33056.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com>

Am Montag, 10. November 2008 11:54:43 schrieb Herman:
> Hello All,
>
> Kubuntu 8.10 failler
>
> I had the same problem, i change my videocard for an nvidia with 256 mb
> and Kubuntu 8.10 was working wel on it
> and then an update driver for the nvidiacard was availeble
> and after a restart it didend start any more, not even in failsafe
>
> So now i am back at Ubuntu 8.10 and this is working well, also with the
> new driver for the nvidiacard
>
> Some times when i startup the pc it is in 800x600 mode
> that was also with diferend OS
>
> i dont no why, but after an restart it works again.

Namastè,

I had some problems with my nvidia driver as well. The reason (and sollution) 
was simple: I had to rebuild the necessary nvidia kernel module to fit to the 
running kernel. 

-- 
Love and Light,
Ulrich
¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø

       " To faith only the holy is true, to knowledge only the true is holy "
                                           (L. Feuerbach)           

¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø
OS: Kubuntu 8.04 (Linux)                   Web: de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/



From hvralpha at intekom.co.za  Mon Nov 10 12:25:49 2008
From: hvralpha at intekom.co.za (Hein van Rensburg)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:25:49 +0200
Subject: Nvidia Cards and 8.10
Message-ID: <200811101425.49983.hvralpha@intekom.co.za>

The latest nvidia driver can handle cards up to 9600 in 8.10. Because of a 
quirk in Kubuntu, the computer must be restarted twice before it takes effect 
after the proprietary 177.80 driver is installed.

You can look in your in your /etc/x11/xorg.conf file to see if it has a entry 
under DRIVER 'nvidia". That shows it is loaded.

Then use the nvidia configuration utility under Applications/Settings to set it 
to the correct resolution, update freq and save. Make sure you have it 
installed, but it should be automatic with the driver installation.

Then resolution and freq should be correct.

The standard system settings utility is broken and does show the correct 
readings or make set-ups for nvidia.




From jussi.kekkonen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 13:06:20 2008
From: jussi.kekkonen at gmail.com (Jussi Kekkonen)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:06:20 +0200
Subject: nvidia problems (WAS: I give up to preach *ubuntu)
In-Reply-To: <200811101303.33056.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com>
References: <1226314483.7008.10.camel@herman-desktop>
	<200811101303.33056.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <48cc00830811100506l4ec098cayc84a4f4f72062164@mail.gmail.com>

FYI, nvidia 6600GT with drivers in intrepid (177 series) and KDE4
trunk (4.1.7x) works perfectly here, so there is KDE4-compatible
binary nvidia drivers already (:

On 11/10/08, Ulrich Grün <ulrich.gruen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Am Montag, 10. November 2008 11:54:43 schrieb Herman:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Kubuntu 8.10 failler
>>
>> I had the same problem, i change my videocard for an nvidia with 256 mb
>> and Kubuntu 8.10 was working wel on it
>> and then an update driver for the nvidiacard was availeble
>> and after a restart it didend start any more, not even in failsafe
>>
>> So now i am back at Ubuntu 8.10 and this is working well, also with the
>> new driver for the nvidiacard
>>
>> Some times when i startup the pc it is in 800x600 mode
>> that was also with diferend OS
>>
>> i dont no why, but after an restart it works again.
>
> Namastè,
>
> I had some problems with my nvidia driver as well. The reason (and
> sollution)
> was simple: I had to rebuild the necessary nvidia kernel module to fit to
> the
> running kernel.
>
> --
> Love and Light,
> Ulrich
> ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø
>
>        " To faith only the holy is true, to knowledge only the true is holy
> "
>                                            (L. Feuerbach)
>
> ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø
> OS: Kubuntu 8.04 (Linux)                   Web:
> de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/
>
> --
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> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>


-- 
Jussi Kekkonen

From cherryfinals at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 13:33:41 2008
From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:33:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Yahoo thumbnails
In-Reply-To: <200811101425.49983.hvralpha@intekom.co.za>
Message-ID: <341340.64069.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Just in the last 24 hours, my google email is no longer showing thumbnails of JPG attachments. 

I have several groups that send attachments and when I get one now, it shows a blank white square with the filename below it. There is no way to preview a file before downloading it. 

I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE 3.5.10 with all the latest patches.

Any ideas?

Stan

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt



      



From jason at jeetkunedomaster.net  Mon Nov 10 14:23:48 2008
From: jason at jeetkunedomaster.net (Jason Straight)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:23:48 -0500
Subject: Yahoo thumbnails
In-Reply-To: <341340.64069.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <341340.64069.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200811100923.48817.jason@jeetkunedomaster.net>

On Monday 10 November 2008 08:33:41 cherryfinals wrote (Reply at bottom):
> Just in the last 24 hours, my google email is no longer showing thumbnails
> of JPG attachments.
>
> I have several groups that send attachments and when I get one now, it
> shows a blank white square with the filename below it. There is no way to
> preview a file before downloading it.
>
> I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE 3.5.10 with all the latest patches.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Stan

Could it be something like browser cache needing cleared? Which browser are 
you using?



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 14:59:50 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:59:50 -0500
Subject: another 32 -> 64 bit upgrade question
Message-ID: <200811100959.50508.art.alexion@gmail.com>

Running up to date kubuntu 8.04 32 bit.  Seems like most 64 bit app issues 
have now been resolved.  Would like to upgrade to 64 bit to access all 4GB of 
my RAM, and any other advantages.

Questions:

1. Is there a way to upgrade in place, or do I need to do a fresh install?

2. If I do a fresh install on another drive, can I just copy my ~/ directory 
over?

3. Will I encounter any unforseen issues with kvm virtualization (with the 64 
bit 8.04 Kubuntu being the host)?
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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Mon Nov 10 15:19:15 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:19:15 +0200
Subject: Is Juno DSL service compatible with Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <638897.15889.qm@web90607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <638897.15889.qm@web90607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <491850F3.6000201@prayingforisrael.net>

Franis Engel wrote:
> Aloha,
> It doesn't make sense to me that it wouldn't be, but the question is too difficult for Juno customer service. They say "only Windows" works with Juno DSL.
> Is there anyone out there that has DSL provided by Juno who is using Linux with it?
> 
> Thanks,
> Frani
> 

I helped a friend here in Israel with a similar problem. My answer was to get them to buy a 
router. That way the router is connecting to the ISP (and you can use a web interface to set it 
up) and then configure the router to use DHCP for your home network (even if it is only one 
computer).

Blessings,

Nigel

-- 



From jonas at chown.dk  Mon Nov 10 15:47:03 2008
From: jonas at chown.dk (Jonas Pedersen)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:47:03 +0100
Subject: another 32 -> 64 bit upgrade question
In-Reply-To: <200811100959.50508.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811100959.50508.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49185777.4090301@chown.dk>

Art Alexion wrote:

> 1. Is there a way to upgrade in place, or do I need to do a fresh install?

 From my experience on other distributions it is not possible to 
upgrade. I am not 100% sure about Ubuntu, but I think you have to do a 
fresh install.

> 2. If I do a fresh install on another drive, can I just copy my ~/ directory 
> over?

That should be possible.

Brgds
Jonas




From hvontres at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 16:01:35 2008
From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:01:35 -0800
Subject: Is Juno DSL service compatible with Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <491850F3.6000201@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <638897.15889.qm@web90607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<491850F3.6000201@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <a7f8874a0811100801g5efe07d2o3600e26ecad451d1@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Nigel Ridley
<nigel at prayingforisrael.net> wrote:
> Franis Engel wrote:
>> Aloha,
>> It doesn't make sense to me that it wouldn't be, but the question is too difficult for Juno customer service. They say "only Windows" works with Juno DSL.
>> Is there anyone out there that has DSL provided by Juno who is using Linux with it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Frani
>>
>
> I helped a friend here in Israel with a similar problem. My answer was to get them to buy a
> router. That way the router is connecting to the ISP (and you can use a web interface to set it
> up) and then configure the router to use DHCP for your home network (even if it is only one
> computer).
>
> Blessings,
>
> Nigel
>
> --
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>


Also, with a router you usually get a firewall as well. And the best
part is that you are now running a "supported" configuration from the
ISP's point of view :)

-- 
Henry von Tresckow (hvontres)



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 16:55:29 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:55:29 +0200
Subject: Providing a consistent UI across applications in Kubuntu
Message-ID: <880dece00811100855xb02d81cv48c8731ca4dc9a26@mail.gmail.com>

Currently, GTK apps and KDE apps have different File Chooser dialogs
in Kubuntu. This confuses users as one expects all applications in any
packaged OS to have a consistent UI. Please comment on this bug to
have the GTK File Chooser wrapped in a KDE File Chooser in Jaunty:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/281834

Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 17:23:59 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:23:59 +0200
Subject: Providing a consistent UI across applications in Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811100855xb02d81cv48c8731ca4dc9a26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811100855xb02d81cv48c8731ca4dc9a26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49186E2F.20600@gmail.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Currently, GTK apps and KDE apps have different File Chooser dialogs
> in Kubuntu. This confuses users as one expects all applications in any
> packaged OS to have a consistent UI. Please comment on this bug to
> have the GTK File Chooser wrapped in a KDE File Chooser in Jaunty:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/281834
> 
> Thanks!
> 

didn't you suggest that in brainstorm? anyways, i'll surely check the LP
bug, i want such consistency

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From claydoh at midmaine.com  Mon Nov 10 18:17:23 2008
From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:17:23 -0500
Subject: Providing a consistent UI across applications in Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811100855xb02d81cv48c8731ca4dc9a26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811100855xb02d81cv48c8731ca4dc9a26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811101317.24184.claydoh@midmaine.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008 11:55:29 am Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Currently, GTK apps and KDE apps have different File Chooser dialogs
> in Kubuntu. This confuses users as one expects all applications in any
> packaged OS to have a consistent UI. Please comment on this bug to
> have the GTK File Chooser wrapped in a KDE File Chooser in Jaunty:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/281834
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>
> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü


Although the devs will notice that in launchpad (Harald Sitter and Jonathan 
Thomas are kubuntu bug tracking ninjas) I would suggest cross-posting this in 
kubuntu-devel mailing list perhaps for further discussion

--
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://flyballmaine.com
http://emacdogsports.com



From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 10 18:27:40 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:27:40 -0400
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
Message-ID: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>

I'm impressed more by the eye-candy than I expected to be.

That said, I've got lots of beefs, and while I'll work my way through them, this is no way to treat your average user.

1) I use on-board Intel graphics (was the i810 driver, is now intel).  When the X server failed to start with the upgrade-process-modified xorg.conf, it should have just automatically tried the "generic" config, rather than presenting the user with multiple, confusing, and largely meaningless options.

2) I can find no way to tell it which of my two monitors is the primary - nor to tell it that the external monitor is "to the right of" rather than a clone.  Which results in the primary monitor always being the external.  This wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't still apparently impossible to have two panels, with integrated taskbar and system tray, one on each monitor - and the primary (ie, the external) keeps stealing my panel.

3) Panels: I can't move the panel to the top of the screen where it belongs, and if I add another (which _does_ go to the top of the screen, I can't put anything visible in it - I added a System tray, I know, because when I right-clicked on the panel it first asked if I wanted to remove the tray, but you couldn't see it)

4) Konqueror, of course: 
 a) I could probably live with Dolphin, if only it had a Tree view!
 b) where on earth is the "back" button?  What use is a browser without a back button?

5) Kontact: <sob>  Nothing seems changed at all, let alone for the better.  The developers still refuse to apply the patch that permits cross-posting without jumping through hoops  (cross-posting to newsgroups is NOT evil!); it still crashes too easily (this is my second attempt at this post). splitter pane positions are still forgotten (in both knode and akregator, at least).

6) Pretty well any appearance-related configuration was dropped in the upgrade.  Now I have to go through and fix _all_ of my toolbars.  Sometimes many times (I keep getting text on the KNode toolbars).  Aargh!  No tool tips on the new icons, either!  Maybe I'll have to keep the text.

7) Very minor, but you apparently get a choice of exactly two desktop backgrounds - ugly, or plain grey.  I don't mind being given the artist's choice as a default (I might have liked it - like the Gnome Heron background), but I should at least have been able to set it to a plain  background in a color of my choice.

8) Spell-checking - I'm not sure it's really true, but it _seems_ at least to be much more vigorous (and therefore annoying).  When I'm typing something like this, I should have to provide some sort of word-terminator, or a mouse-click, before it actually flags a word as wrong and underlines it. Now, any combination of 3 or more letters that isn't a word is underlined, even while I'm still typing the word - which means that I'm seeing red lines flash on and off all the time.  I love KDE's as-you-type spell checking, but this "feature" was obviously written by hunt-and-peck typists, who never actually see what's on the screen until they look up.

9) and I've lost my (vital) ksysguard applet which was displaying the temperature.  I daresay that will be easy enough to fix.
-- 
derek




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 19:03:34 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:03:34 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
Message-ID: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
to start backing up my system.
What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
about it? What is the best software?
Thanks from the backup stupid me.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 10 18:59:15 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:59:15 -0400
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
References: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <43812891.Zqak3dcffE@cedar.serverforest.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:

> 7) Very minor, but you apparently get a choice of exactly two desktop
> backgrounds - ugly, or plain grey.  I don't mind being given the artist's
> choice as a default (I might have liked it - like the Gnome Heron
> background), but I should at least have been able to set it to a plain 
> background in a color of my choice.

OK, I've fixed that one - I can change the background color. I'm not sure if I was just looking at the wrong thing, or whether that widget really was disabled before, but I expect it was PEBKAC. 
-- 
derek




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 10 19:13:11 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:13:11 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811101413.12113.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
> Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
> to start backing up my system.
> What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
> only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
> incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
> about it? What is the best software?
> Thanks from the backup stupid me.
> --
> Douglas E Knapp
>
> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page

What are you going to back up to?   disk?  tape?  dvd?



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Mon Nov 10 19:26:00 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:26:00 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811101426.00710.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
>to start backing up my system.
>What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
>only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
>incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
>about it? What is the best software?
>Thanks from the backup stupid me.
>--
>Douglas E Knapp
>
>http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page

Are you able to build from a tarball?  If you are, the hands down best SW for 
the job is amanda.  I don't know how debs handle the various perms it 
requires, rpms don't do that well so its best built from source to fit your 
system.  It needs to be built as the user that is going to run it, it will 
NOT run as root for security reasons, but some pieces do need high perms to 
run, so it has to be installed by root after building it as the user.  The 
user who runs it needs to be a member of a high priv group, such as disk or 
bin.

The amanda learning curve while configuring it can be steep, but I've been 
using it since 1998, staying with current releases.  The backup scheduler in 
amanda is its strong point, you tell it how many days it has to do a full of 
everything, and it will juggle the schedule until it is achieving that, doing 
a full on a different filesystem and incrementals on the rest each nightly 
run, making best use of the available tape size.  At one point I was backing 
up a 46GB system on a 10 day cycle, to 4GB DDS2 tapes, one per night using 
gzip compression.  Every tape filled to 98 or 99 percent of its capacity.

Now, I have a big hard drive setup exclusively as virtual tapes, much more 
dependable than the DDS2's ever were.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Love -- the last of the serious diseases of childhood.



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Mon Nov 10 19:30:20 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:30:20 -0600
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
Message-ID: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>

I had to switch OS to find the answer to the problem someone had with 
Dolphin so their e-mail is on the other drive.

In Dolphin:

View > Panels > Folders

OR

F7



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 19:34:17 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:34:17 +0200
Subject: Providing a consistent UI across applications in Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <49186E2F.20600@gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811100855xb02d81cv48c8731ca4dc9a26@mail.gmail.com>
	<49186E2F.20600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811101134p2351985esc53b41665518e623@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/10 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> didn't you suggest that in brainstorm?

Probably. It's been bugging me for a while. Edit: here it is:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14301/

> anyways, i'll surely check the LP
> bug, i want such consistency
>

Very good. It might be good to add a comment mentioning how much it
bothers you. Otherwise the devs will close it with an excuse like "a
matter of taste" or something.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 19:35:30 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:35:30 +0200
Subject: Providing a consistent UI across applications in Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200811101317.24184.claydoh@midmaine.com>
References: <880dece00811100855xb02d81cv48c8731ca4dc9a26@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101317.24184.claydoh@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811101135v4bcd8587qa74818d3fc06aa97@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/10 Clay Weber <claydoh at midmaine.com>:
> Although the devs will notice that in launchpad (Harald Sitter and Jonathan
> Thomas are kubuntu bug tracking ninjas) I would suggest cross-posting this in
> kubuntu-devel mailing list perhaps for further discussion
>

Thanks, that's a good idea. I am not subscribed to kubuntu-devel so if
you could mention it I'd appreciate it.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From jonorland at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 19:46:11 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:46:11 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811101426.00710.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101426.00710.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811101146g7bfdb557i7becd6dd727e8c2b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/10 Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>:
> On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>>Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
>>to start backing up my system.
>>What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
>>only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
>>incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
>>about it? What is the best software?
>>Thanks from the backup stupid me.
>>--
>>Douglas E Knapp
>>
>>http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page
>
> Are you able to build from a tarball?  If you are, the hands down best SW for
> the job is amanda.  I don't know how debs handle the various perms it
> requires, rpms don't do that well so its best built from source to fit your
> system.  It needs to be built as the user that is going to run it, it will
> NOT run as root for security reasons, but some pieces do need high perms to
> run, so it has to be installed by root after building it as the user.

Something wrong or missing from the version in the repro?

/ Jonas



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Mon Nov 10 20:06:16 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:06:16 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811101146g7bfdb557i7becd6dd727e8c2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101426.00710.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<b8d784880811101146g7bfdb557i7becd6dd727e8c2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811101506.16213.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 10 November 2008, Jonas Norlander wrote:
>2008/11/10 Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>:
>> On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>>>Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
>>>to start backing up my system.
>>>What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
>>>only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
>>>incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
>>>about it? What is the best software?
>>>Thanks from the backup stupid me.
>>>--
>>>Douglas E Knapp
>>>
>>>http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page
>>
>> Are you able to build from a tarball?  If you are, the hands down best SW
>> for the job is amanda.  I don't know how debs handle the various perms it
>> requires, rpms don't do that well so its best built from source to fit
>> your system.  It needs to be built as the user that is going to run it, it
>> will NOT run as root for security reasons, but some pieces do need high
>> perms to run, so it has to be installed by root after building it as the
>> user.
>
>Something wrong or missing from the version in the repro?

That depends on how the install is done.  Some parts of it need to be suid 
root.  Can a deb handle that?  rpms can't.

>/ Jonas



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
A pessimist is a man who has been compelled to live with an optimist.
		-- Elbert Hubbard



From tycho at tycho.ws  Mon Nov 10 20:26:01 2008
From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:26:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0811101417460.12409@mittens>

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Knapp wrote:

> Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
> to start backing up my system.
> What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
> only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
> incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
> about it? What is the best software?
> Thanks from the backup stupid me.

If you're not scared of configuring cron, check out the command line
utility rdiff-backup (there may be associated GUI frontends, I'm not
sure). I have a script set up to mirror all the important directories
locally across disks and remotely over ssh once a week.

rdiff-backup will create a mirror of a particular directory, where each
subsequent backup will be incremental. It will also let you explore the 
revision information, which is stored in a special subdirectory. It 
can function like rsync, doing remote backups over ssh efficiently.

HTH,
Tycho



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 20:38:32 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:38:32 -0500
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
In-Reply-To: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200811101538.32186.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008 2:30:20 pm Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
> I had to switch OS to find the answer to the problem someone had with
> Dolphin so their e-mail is on the other drive.
>
> In Dolphin:
>
> View > Panels > Folders
>
> OR
>
> F7

Not the same.  Tree view in konq 3.5 shows expandable folders in the main 
window, not just a separate tree in a panel.  I can forward a screen shot if 
that helps.
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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 20:55:37 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:55:37 +1000
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
In-Reply-To: <200811101538.32186.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
	<200811101538.32186.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811110655.37782.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:38:32 am Art Alexion wrote:
>
> Not the same.  Tree view in konq 3.5 shows expandable folders in the main
> window, not just a separate tree in a panel.  I can forward a screen shot
> if that helps.

Actually the F7 trick was really handy to me - had been looking for that, so 
thanks Grandparent message!

And I think what you are looking for is:
  Dolphin|Settings|Configure Dolphin|View Modes|Details|Expandable Folders

Cheers,
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 20:56:24 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:56:24 +1000
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
In-Reply-To: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200811110656.24932.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:30:20 am Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
> I had to switch OS to find the answer to the problem someone had with
> Dolphin so their e-mail is on the other drive.
>
> In Dolphin:
>
> View > Panels > Folders
>
> OR
>
> F7


Thanks! been looking for that for ages!, dunno how I missed it.
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 21:09:27 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:09:27 +1000
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811110709.27708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:27:40 am Derek Broughton wrote:
> I'm impressed more by the eye-candy than I expected to be.
>
> 1) I use on-board Intel graphics (was the i810 driver, is now intel).  When
> the X server failed to start with the upgrade-process-modified xorg.conf,
> it should have just automatically tried the "generic" config, rather than
> presenting the user with multiple, confusing, and largely meaningless
> options.

Yah I've had problems with the xconfig with every upgrade. I just wipe and run 
nvidia-xconfig now, but not for the casual user.

>
> 2) I can find no way to tell it which of my two monitors is the primary -
> nor to tell it that the external monitor is "to the right of" rather than a
> clone.  Which results in the primary monitor always being the external. 
> This wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't still apparently impossible to have
> two panels, with integrated taskbar and system tray, one on each monitor -
> and the primary (ie, the external) keeps stealing my panel.

I belive this is scheduled for the next rev of KDE - 4.2 (January)
>
> 3) Panels: I can't move the panel to the top of the screen where it
> belongs, and if I add another (which _does_ go to the top of the screen, I
> can't put anything visible in it - I added a System tray, I know, because
> when I right-clicked on the panel it first asked if I wanted to remove the
> tray, but you couldn't see it)

Just tried adding a second panel and adding the menu widget to it - worked for 
me. The system tray is just a container for notification icons and is invisible 
when empty.

>
> 4) Konqueror, of course:
>  a) I could probably live with Dolphin, if only it had a Tree view!

Has been answered by others in later messages.

>  b) where on earth is the "back" button?  What use is a browser without a
> back button?

Definitely there normally.

Maybe you have a borked KDE setup? did you upgrade from KDE 3?

Might be worthwhile backuing up and deleting your .kde, .kderc and .kde4 (if 
present) directories and rebooting.

>
> 5) Kontact: <sob>  Nothing seems changed at all, let alone for the better. 
> The developers still refuse to apply the patch that permits cross-posting
> without jumping through hoops  (cross-posting to newsgroups is NOT evil!);
> it still crashes too easily (this is my second attempt at this post).
> splitter pane positions are still forgotten (in both knode and akregator,
> at least).

Yes, apart from the upgrade to QT4 nothing has changed in Kontact. On the 
bright side they do seem to be doing stuff in trunk.

One bug I ran into - check the Dictionary is set to a installed language in 
your KMail Identity. If not that will cause heaps of crashes.


> 6) Pretty well any appearance-related configuration was dropped in the
> upgrade.  Now I have to go through and fix _all_ of my toolbars.  Sometimes
> many times (I keep getting text on the KNode toolbars).  Aargh!  No tool
> tips on the new icons, either!  Maybe I'll have to keep the text.

Toolbars are improving, but I still have problems in Aggregator. PITA.

>
> 7) Very minor, but you apparently get a choice of exactly two desktop
> backgrounds - ugly, or plain grey.  

Definitely not normal. See "Borked" advice :)


> 9) and I've lost my (vital) ksysguard applet which was displaying the
> temperature.  I daresay that will be easy enough to fix. --
> derek

There are plasmoids that do that.

Cheers,

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Mon Nov 10 21:21:34 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:21:34 -0500
Subject: Providing a consistent UI across applications in Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811100855xb02d81cv48c8731ca4dc9a26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811100855xb02d81cv48c8731ca4dc9a26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811101621.34238.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Monday 10 November 2008 11:55:29 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Currently, GTK apps and KDE apps have different File Chooser dialogs
> in Kubuntu. This confuses users as one expects all applications in any
> packaged OS to have a consistent UI. Please comment on this bug to
> have the GTK File Chooser wrapped in a KDE File Chooser in Jaunty:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/281834
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Dotan Cohen
> 
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
> 
> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

I personnaly installed kgtk-0.9.4 here to correct this situation.

then firefox and others gtk progs, present a kde file-dialog when
started with kgtk.

It works very well, but you have to compile it yourself.

-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 21:32:06 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:32:06 +0200
Subject: Providing a consistent UI across applications in Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200811101621.34238.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <880dece00811100855xb02d81cv48c8731ca4dc9a26@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101621.34238.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <880dece00811101332q7d61532ama385aa9c1a2d629@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/10 Martin Laberge <mlsoft at videotron.ca>:
> It works very well, but you have to compile it yourself.
>

That is quite the reason that I requested for Kgtk to be included as
default in Kubuntu.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From magick.crow at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 22:07:52 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:07:52 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0811101417460.12409@mittens>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811101417460.12409@mittens>
Message-ID: <f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Tycho Andersen <tycho at tycho.ws> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Knapp wrote:
>
>> Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
>> to start backing up my system.
>> What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
>> only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
>> incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
>> about it? What is the best software?
>> Thanks from the backup stupid me.
>
> If you're not scared of configuring cron, check out the command line
> utility rdiff-backup (there may be associated GUI frontends, I'm not
> sure). I have a script set up to mirror all the important directories
> locally across disks and remotely over ssh once a week.
>
> rdiff-backup will create a mirror of a particular directory, where each
> subsequent backup will be incremental. It will also let you explore the
> revision information, which is stored in a special subdirectory. It
> can function like rsync, doing remote backups over ssh efficiently.
>
> HTH,
> Tycho

I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)

My past backup (last year??) was to DVD but I was thinking of getting
a new drive and doing it to that or I could just stick with the DVD.
Last time the DVD backup was done using dvdisaster in RS02 mode by
hand.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Mon Nov 10 22:14:31 2008
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:14:31 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4918B247.4020308@gatech.edu>

Knapp wrote:
> What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
> only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
> incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
> about it?

This is what I do, using a program called rdiff-backup.  It keeps a
mirror along with diffs, so you can copy the latest files directly out
of the backup, or restore from an earlier date.

I made a custom wrapper script that runs every day.

Matt Flaschen



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 22:15:51 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:15:51 +0200
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811101417460.12409@mittens>
	<f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4918B297.5010003@gmail.com>

Knapp wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Tycho Andersen <tycho at tycho.ws> wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Knapp wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
>>> to start backing up my system.
>>> What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
>>> only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
>>> incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
>>> about it? What is the best software?
>>> Thanks from the backup stupid me.
>> If you're not scared of configuring cron, check out the command line
>> utility rdiff-backup (there may be associated GUI frontends, I'm not
>> sure). I have a script set up to mirror all the important directories
>> locally across disks and remotely over ssh once a week.
>>
>> rdiff-backup will create a mirror of a particular directory, where each
>> subsequent backup will be incremental. It will also let you explore the
>> revision information, which is stored in a special subdirectory. It
>> can function like rsync, doing remote backups over ssh efficiently.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Tycho
> 
> I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
> really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
> have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)
> 
> My past backup (last year??) was to DVD but I was thinking of getting
> a new drive and doing it to that or I could just stick with the DVD.
> Last time the DVD backup was done using dvdisaster in RS02 mode by
> hand.
> 

i very simply use tar for my backups, easy, simple, good compression,
and backup the whole system with it on a monthly basis, or when i'm
going to do something new and dangerous to the system.
here's a link for you
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=2fd09884dfcd5bf3c575cf72aba05520&t=35087

i never liked keep in KDE3, not sure if it's in kDE4 still.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From d.mcglone at att.net  Mon Nov 10 23:31:28 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:31:28 -0500
Subject: Right click spell check suggestions
Message-ID: <200811101831.28368.d.mcglone@att.net>

Hey guys, I have a quick question, what provides the right click suggestions 
on misspelled words in kontact? I'm running 1.9.51 on kde 4. 
-- 
David M.



From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Mon Nov 10 23:34:56 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:34:56 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0811101417460.12409@mittens>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811101417460.12409@mittens>
Message-ID: <200811101834.57064.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008, Tycho Andersen wrote:
> rdiff-backup will create a mirror of a particular directory, where each
> subsequent backup will be incremental. It will also let you explore the
> revision information, which is stored in a special subdirectory. It
> can function like rsync, doing remote backups over ssh efficiently.

It functions that way because it's based on the same protocol.

I can only recommend rsync/tar/rdiff-backup in conjunction with something off-
site like rsync.net

But be sure to run something current for rdiff-backup on both ends, as there 
were version incompatibilities.



From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Mon Nov 10 23:36:08 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:36:08 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811101417460.12409@mittens>
	<f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
> I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
> really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
> have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)

Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping that 
you're kidding.

GUI = a life
CLI = no life





From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 10 20:09:59 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:09:59 -0400
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <1566118.ctkNcCExl0@cedar.serverforest.com>

Billie Erin Walsh wrote:

> I had to switch OS to find the answer to the problem someone had with
> Dolphin so their e-mail is on the other drive.
> 
Thanks for that, but it's not what I'm looking for.  I want the window showing the files to be in a tree view, as it used to be in Konqueror (ie, what I really want is the tree view back in the dolphinpart _in_ Konqueror).  I have NEVER liked "icon" views of folders, and can't imagine what drives anybody to make it a default, and much prefer the detail view, but I really want the tree structure back.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 10 20:10:56 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:10:56 -0400
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
References: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<43812891.Zqak3dcffE@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <2344735.lnaTJbyqKh@cedar.serverforest.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
> 
>> 7) Very minor, but you apparently get a choice of exactly two desktop
>> backgrounds - ugly, or plain grey.  I don't mind being given the artist's
>> choice as a default (I might have liked it - like the Gnome Heron
>> background), but I should at least have been able to set it to a plain
>> background in a color of my choice.
> 
> OK, I've fixed that one - I can change the background color. I'm not sure
> if I was just looking at the wrong thing, or whether that widget really
> was disabled before, but I expect it was PEBKAC.

Second impressions: why does KNode insist on complaining that I'm using lines longer than 80 characters.  I really think I'm going to turf Kontact...
-- 
derek




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov 11 00:37:14 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:37:14 -0600
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
In-Reply-To: <200811101538.32186.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
	<200811101538.32186.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4918D3BA.5030305@swbell.net>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Monday 10 November 2008 2:30:20 pm Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>   
>> I had to switch OS to find the answer to the problem someone had with
>> Dolphin so their e-mail is on the other drive.
>>
>> In Dolphin:
>>
>> View > Panels > Folders
>>
>> OR
>>
>> F7
>>     
>
> Not the same.  Tree view in konq 3.5 shows expandable folders in the main 
> window, not just a separate tree in a panel.  I can forward a screen shot if 
> that helps.
>   
When I used Konq as a file manager I've used the tree view in a separate 
panel on the left much like the one in Dolphin. Showed the files within 
a directory in the main window. Personally I never liked the tree view 
in the main window. [ But that's personal preference. ]




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov 11 00:39:45 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:39:45 -0600
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
In-Reply-To: <1566118.ctkNcCExl0@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
	<1566118.ctkNcCExl0@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <4918D451.8070705@swbell.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>
>   
>> I had to switch OS to find the answer to the problem someone had with
>> Dolphin so their e-mail is on the other drive.
>>
>>     
> Thanks for that, but it's not what I'm looking for.  I want the window showing the files to be in a tree view, as it used to be in Konqueror (ie, what I really want is the tree view back in the dolphinpart _in_ Konqueror).  I have NEVER liked "icon" views of folders, and can't imagine what drives anybody to make it a default, and much prefer the detail view, but I really want the tree structure back.
>   

Are you talking about "detail" view?

That's easy. View > View Mode > Details



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov 11 00:43:13 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:43:13 -0600
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
In-Reply-To: <200811110656.24932.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
	<200811110656.24932.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4918D521.4040602@swbell.net>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:30:20 am Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>   
>> I had to switch OS to find the answer to the problem someone had with
>> Dolphin so their e-mail is on the other drive.
>>
>> In Dolphin:
>>
>> View > Panels > Folders
>>
>> OR
>>
>> F7
>>     
>
>
> Thanks! been looking for that for ages!, dunno how I missed it.
>   

When I'm playing with something new I push ALL the buttons to see how 
long it takes me to break it. *<]:oD  Actually, I just want to see what 
everything does.



From dave at thefletchers.net  Tue Nov 11 00:43:42 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:43:42 +0000
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811110043.42635.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Monday 10 Nov 2008, Knapp wrote:
> Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
> to start backing up my system.
> What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
> only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
> incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
> about it? What is the best software?
> Thanks from the backup stupid me.
> -- 
> Douglas E Knapp
> 
> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page
> 
> -- 
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
> 

I just use a script, when I remember to run it :-)

The script does a couple of rsync runs, from the local /etc directory to a 
backup directory in my home folder, then also from my server to local home, 
then does a tar file of /home/.

I suppose I should do something more often but I've not had a hard drive 
failure at home for maybe 11 years.

BTW I then use kgpg to do a symmetrical encryption of the tar file and make 
several copies on flash drives - home office shelf, briefcase, car glove box, 
subversion server at the office. I don't anticipate losing all of them 
together unless there's another mass extinction event, in which case it won't 
matter anyway.

Dave


-- 


Registered Linux user number 393408

I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1
For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit:
http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763



From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Tue Nov 11 00:50:08 2008
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:50:08 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811101834.57064.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811101417460.12409@mittens>
	<200811101834.57064.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
Message-ID: <4918D6C0.2040001@gatech.edu>

Brendan wrote:
> On Monday 10 November 2008, Tycho Andersen wrote:
>> rdiff-backup will create a mirror of a particular directory, where each
>> subsequent backup will be incremental. It will also let you explore the
>> revision information, which is stored in a special subdirectory. It
>> can function like rsync, doing remote backups over ssh efficiently.
> 
> It functions that way because it's based on the same protocol.
> 
> I can only recommend rsync/tar/rdiff-backup in conjunction with something off-
> site like rsync.net

Why?  I've used it successfully to do local backups to a USB drive.

Matt Flaschen



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 11 00:58:52 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:58:52 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
Message-ID: <200811101958.52432.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008, Brendan wrote:
> On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
> > I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
> > really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
> > have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)
>
> Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping that
> you're kidding.
>
> GUI = a life
> CLI = no life

Oh c'mon.   The guy is being realistic....   I agree with him.



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 00:56:07 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:56:07 -0400
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
	<200811101538.32186.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811110655.37782.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1550354.8RdVo8aOaC@cedar.serverforest.com>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:38:32 am Art Alexion wrote:
>>
>> Not the same.  Tree view in konq 3.5 shows expandable folders in the
>> main
>> window, not just a separate tree in a panel.  I can forward a screen
>> shot if that helps.
> 
> Actually the F7 trick was really handy to me - had been looking for
> that, so thanks Grandparent message!
> 
> And I think what you are looking for is:
>   Dolphin|Settings|Configure Dolphin|View Modes|Details|Expandable
>   Folders

YES!  Thank you, very much, that's exactly what I was looking for (I haven't actually tried to see if it works in the dolphinpart yet, but on its own I'd say that makes Dolphin almost usable for me.

otoh, I believe it was you who said the new Kontact was awesome?  I'm about to make the move to Evolution for all my PIM requirements.  There's nothing improved in Kontact, and much that's worse.  I'm completely disappointed.
-- 
derek




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Tue Nov 11 01:11:04 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:11:04 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811101958.52432.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
	<200811101958.52432.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <200811102011.04097.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Monday 10 November 2008, Bruce Marshall wrote:
>On Monday 10 November 2008, Brendan wrote:
>> On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>> > I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
>> > really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
>> > have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)
>>
>> Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping that
>> you're kidding.
>>
>> GUI = a life
>> CLI = no life
>
>Oh c'mon.   The guy is being realistic....   I agree with him.

The unrealistic part is being convinced you need either once amanda is setup 
and running.  Cron takes care of the forgetting to run it part, you go on 
with your life, fielding only the email amanda sends you the next morning 
telling you what it did.  Setting it up needs attention via the cli, but once 
that is done, you can forget about it until you need to recover something.

Here, I wrap it up in a couple of scripts that make sure all the tools & data 
are there in your backup to do an absolute bare metal recovery once a bare 
bones working re-install is done should the unthinkable occur.

A gui for a mature but still in active development backup program is a real 
method to waste a lot of time on.  If you want eye candy, get a copy of 
Arkeia, but bring a couple of grand for a full copy.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
There is one way to find out if a man is honest -- ask him.  If he says
"Yes" you know he is crooked.
		-- Groucho Marx



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 01:26:56 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:26:56 -0400
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
References: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811110709.27708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16591827.AHOOMXuDPj@cedar.serverforest.com>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:27:40 am Derek Broughton wrote:

>> 2) I can find no way to tell it which of my two monitors is the
>> primary - nor to tell it that the external monitor is "to the right
>> of" rather than a clone.
> 
> I belive this is scheduled for the next rev of KDE - 4.2 (January)

That's the sort of thing that really ticks off the users.  This _worked_ in 3.5, and there's no excuse for it to be so broken now.

>> 3) Panels: I can't move the panel to the top of the screen where it
>> belongs, and if I add another (which _does_ go to the top of the
>> screen, I can't put anything visible in it - I added a System tray, I
>> know, because when I right-clicked on the panel it first asked if I
>> wanted to remove the tray, but you couldn't see it)
> 
> Just tried adding a second panel and adding the menu widget to it -
> worked for me. The system tray is just a container for notification
> icons and is invisible when empty.

Whenever I add a panel, it's just a black bar, and anything I put in it is equally black.  Black on black works for formal occasions, but not on my desktop. :-)

>> 4) Konqueror, of course:
>>  a) I could probably live with Dolphin, if only it had a Tree view!
> 
> Has been answered by others in later messages.

Hardly "others" - thanks for that, Lindsay - works a charm in both Dolphin & Konqueror, though I don't think you can actually configure it _from_ konqueror.

>>  b) where on earth is the "back" button?  What use is a browser
>>  without a
>> back button?
> 
> Definitely there normally.

Yes, I've fixed that too.  I don't know _why_ it wasn't there, but I ended up clicking on the <defaults> button in the toolbar config, and then I had back, forward and up icons.  So, just  another thing that didn't migrate well. 

> Maybe you have a borked KDE setup? did you upgrade from KDE 3?

I'd hate to consider it b0rked :-)  But yes...
 
> Might be worthwhile backuing up and deleting your .kde, .kderc and
> .kde4 (if present) directories and rebooting.

That is _not_ happening!  I'll get in there and edit config files by hand before I just throw away the last 10 years of configuration :-)

>> 5) Kontact: <sob>  Nothing seems changed at all, let alone for the
>> better. The developers still refuse to apply the patch that permits
>> cross-posting
>> without jumping through hoops  (cross-posting to newsgroups is NOT
>> evil!); it still crashes too easily (this is my second attempt at
>> this post). splitter pane positions are still forgotten (in both
>> knode and akregator, at least).
> 
> Yes, apart from the upgrade to QT4 nothing has changed in Kontact. On
> the bright side they do seem to be doing stuff in trunk.
> 
> One bug I ran into - check the Dictionary is set to a installed
> language in your KMail Identity. If not that will cause heaps of
> crashes.

It appears to be so in both KMail and KNode (though, interestingly, _different_ languages, when they should both have been either "English" or "English - Canada").

>> 9) and I've lost my (vital) ksysguard applet which was displaying the
>> temperature.  I daresay that will be easy enough to fix. --
>> derek
> 
> There are plasmoids that do that.

I'm sure, but it just means I now have to figure out _how_.  It's fairly necessary because my acpi thermal doesn't properly reset after hibernation, and I need that sensor to show me that things are going critical...
-- 
derek




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 11 01:36:31 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:36:31 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811102011.04097.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101958.52432.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811102011.04097.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200811102036.31642.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping
> >> that you're kidding.
> >>
> >> GUI = a life
> >> CLI = no life
> >
> >Oh c'mon.   The guy is being realistic....   I agree with him.
>
> The unrealistic part is being convinced you need either once amanda is
> setup and running.

He doesn't know that until he sets it up.    And I don't think what he said 
was either ignorant or offensive.   Give him a break........



From stan10x10 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 01:47:43 2008
From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:47:43 -0500
Subject: change refresh in 8.10?
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811100249y16156691xe3bccfb795c05eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69c7ddfb0811092235ha4b79f9q867141c806ff3e1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811100249y16156691xe3bccfb795c05eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0811101747o39a771c5m48573e3b816dfab8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com>wrote:

> 2008/11/10 uriah heep <stan10x10 at gmail.com>:
> > running 8.10 using gforce 9700 and nvidia 177 drivers to mitsubish
> diamond
> > plus 200.  The resolutions max at 1024/762 and the refresh is max 50
> which
> > is like watching a strobe.  How do I get the refresh rate up to 70?
> >
>
> Try to run Nvidia X server settings and see if you can change it
> there. I always ending up hacking the xorg.conf by hand as the auto
> configuration or the GUI never worked any good with two monitors.
>
> / Jonas
>
> How can I run the x server settings?
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 02:07:09 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:07:09 -0400
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
References: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811110709.27708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<16591827.AHOOMXuDPj@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <31464667.BUPZWYi8qT@cedar.serverforest.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:

> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>>>  a) I could probably live with Dolphin, if only it had a Tree view!
>> 
>> Has been answered by others in later messages.
> 
> Hardly "others" - thanks for that, Lindsay - works a charm in both
> Dolphin & Konqueror, though I don't think you can actually configure
> it _from_ konqueror.

and of course, it really can be done from konqueror.  "Settings" / "Configure Konqueror" / "File management" essentially puts you into Dolphin's configuration.

it's getting better :-)
-- 
derek




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 02:24:45 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:24:45 +1000
Subject: change refresh in 8.10?
Message-ID: <4918eced.4502.b6f30b90.34970569@blackpaw.dyndns.org>

from a konsole:
 sudo nvidia-settings

but backup/etc/X11/xorg.conffirst

hint - if things get totally borked:
 sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 sudo nvidia-xconfig
 sudo reboot



--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: change refresh in 8.10?
From: uriah heep <stan10x10 at gmail.com>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 11/11/2008  1:54 AM

 


On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Jonas Norlander<jonorland at gmail.com>wrote:
 2008/11/10 uriah heep <stan10x10 at gmail.com>:
 
> running 8.10 using gforce 9700 and nvidia 177 drivers to mitsubish diamond
 > plus 200.  The resolutions max at 1024/762 and the refresh is max 50 which
 > is like watching a strobe.  How do I get the refresh rate up to 70?
 >
 
 Try to run Nvidia X server settings and see if you can change it
 there. I always ending up hacking the xorg.conf by hand as the auto
 configuration or the GUI never worked any good with two monitors.
 
 / Jonas
 
 How can I run the x server settings?
   
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 03:02:10 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:02:10 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that can
	be read in a Microsoft OS?
Message-ID: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>

My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I 
went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their 
computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program that 
converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?  I 
only have a few days to comply, so thanks for considering this an 
important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 03:06:58 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:06:58 -0500
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
Message-ID: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>

My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I 
went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their 
computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program that 
converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?  I 
only have a few days to comply, so thanks for considering this an 
important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
Steven



From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 03:13:15 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:13:15 +0700
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that can
	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8f6eb7340811101913l15987d5fgc2bea1cc03b2490a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I
> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program that
> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?  I
> only have a few days to comply, so thanks for considering this an
> important problem.  My gratitude in advance.

ps2pdf whatever.ps whatever.pdf

I'm not sure now whether it's there automatically or whether you have
to get it from the repos.

Bob
-- 
In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!



From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 03:39:24 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:39:24 +0700
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811110043.42635.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811110043.42635.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <8f6eb7340811101939t2b1ed549qf5b9e8faab0b7281@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:43 AM, David Fletcher <dave at thefletchers.net> wrote:
>
>
> The script does a couple of rsync runs, from the local /etc directory to a
> backup directory in my home folder, then also from my server to local home,
> then does a tar file of /home/.
>
At last! A discussion of what should be backed up. I'd tar
/var/cache/apt to a backup dir in /home also and make sure it was
backed up before being cleaned. No sense in downloading all your
updates and additions after a reinstall.

>
> BTW I then use kgpg to do a symmetrical encryption of the tar file and make
> several copies on flash drives - home office shelf, briefcase, car glove box,
> subversion server at the office. I don't anticipate losing all of them
> together unless there's another mass extinction event, in which case it won't
> matter anyway.

I like DVD's for backup. Can include growisofs in the backup script.

Bob
-- 
In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!



From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 03:45:39 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:45:39 +0700
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811101958.52432.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
	<200811101958.52432.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <8f6eb7340811101945h797d40bg17907b6e208f2de0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com> wrote:
>
> Oh c'mon.   The guy is being realistic....   I agree with him.

Using a GUI for a repetitive task with parameters that don't change is
just doing it the hard way. For such tasks the CLI is just so much
easier. Morover it's more reliable. Why would you want a GUI? Is it to
ensure that you have to point and click at what you want backed up so
that you change what it is you backup from one time to the next?

Bob
-- 
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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 03:48:39 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:48:39 +1000
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
Message-ID: <49190097.4502.b6f30b90.3c7bf9fb@blackpaw.dyndns.org>



--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
From: Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>
To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Date: 11/11/2008  2:14 AM

 Derek Broughton wrote: 
 

> it's getting better :-) 


Glad its getting there. And I appreciate not wanting to lose ones hard won config :)

Perhaps if you set up a new user and logged in - that way you could see a default config and indentify what's config issues and whats not :)

I understand what you said earlier about being more impressed by the eye candy than you expected. I'm not a great fan of themes myself, more a functional kind of person, but KDE 4 is *really* smooth and good looking, to the extent I miss it when on gnome or XP. I find the UI very well integrated. I do find the default colours too bland and washed out, but that's easily enough fixed.

The other thing that keeps me with it is the relatively rapid rate of fixes and new (or reimplemented) features and the potential for simple plugins to extend the interface in new ways.
 
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From paul at lemmons.name  Tue Nov 11 06:41:29 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:41:29 -0700
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I 
> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their 
> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program that 
> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?  I 
> only have a few days to comply, so thanks for considering this an 
> important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
> Steven
>   

Have it print to a pdf instead of ps.

print->print to file  
Output Format     * PDF  o Postscript
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From frederiko at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 06:59:39 2008
From: frederiko at gmail.com (Frederiko Costa)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:59:39 -0800
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
In-Reply-To: <1226214927.11475.13.camel@ri>
References: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811091228.46106.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<1226214927.11475.13.camel@ri>
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Just keep in mind that most of the application also need to able to address
64 bits. If only the OS is 64 bits, then I believe you are not going to be
able to take the full advantage of the system, in terms of speed.

It's been a while I don't use a 64 bits Linux OS. When I tried in the past
(a long time ago), my impression about the stability of the system was not
that good. I switched back to 32 bits. Besides, unless you are really heavy
user, the performance difference is not noticed that much.

In short: give a try but don't get frustrated if the system does not meet
your expectations. If not comfortable, switch back to 32 bits.

~Fred


On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Girard Henri <girardhenri at free.fr> wrote:

> I baught recently for my wife hap pavillon phenom x3
> believing it wouldn't be compatible with intrepid 64 bits
> i tried cdlive and o surprise passed better than with my intelcore duo !
> lol
>
>
>
> Le dimanche 09 novembre 2008 à 12:28 +1000, Lindsay Mathieson a écrit :
> > On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:56:38 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> > > Over the past year I have accumulated the components for a new
> > > computer.  I will be changing to 64 bit.
> > >
> > > Not having a 64 bit system, I have not been paying attention to the
> > > unique problems 64 bit users have had when installing and configuring a
> > > Kubuntu OS.  I would like to begin with a stable application, so which
> > > version should I start with?
> >
> > Well, having been inspired by your post, and a certain amount of boredom,
> I
> > changed my install to 64bit :) I had an existing Intrepid (8.10) 32 bit,
> so
> > decided on Intrepid64.
> >
> > Went very smoothly, I elected to do a fresh install from scratch while
> > preserving my existing home directory. Probably took 20 minutes all up.
> > Everything is working exactly as it was before - applications, nvidia
> drivers,
> > flash etc.
> >
> > So I'd like to say I have 64 bit experience, but really it was no
> different
> > from the 32 bit install at all.
> >
> > I'd go with Kubuntu Intrepid 64 bit myself, its been trouble free. Can't
> speak
> > to your hardware though, must admit mine is recent and fairly standard.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lindsay
> > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album<http://members.optusnet.com.au/%7Eblackpaw1/album>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 07:55:17 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:55:17 +0100
Subject: Changing from 32 to 64 bit, I need some 64 bit help.
In-Reply-To: <c68b93e60811102259n5f11735ew3c4ca904ca275b4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49158C86.7060109@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811091228.46106.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<1226214927.11475.13.camel@ri>
	<c68b93e60811102259n5f11735ew3c4ca904ca275b4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811102355x52236b71k9023ae91f1ae21ab@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Frederiko Costa <frederiko at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just keep in mind that most of the application also need to able to address
> 64 bits. If only the OS is 64 bits, then I believe you are not going to be
> able to take the full advantage of the system, in terms of speed.
>
> It's been a while I don't use a 64 bits Linux OS. When I tried in the past
> (a long time ago), my impression about the stability of the system was not
> that good. I switched back to 32 bits. Besides, unless you are really heavy
> user, the performance difference is not noticed that much.
>
> In short: give a try but don't get frustrated if the system does not meet
> your expectations. If not comfortable, switch back to 32 bits.
>
> ~Fred

I have been running 64 bit for years now, no problems. It is true that
it used to be a bit of a pain but I don't even think about it now.
Things just work.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 10:04:54 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:04:54 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811101945h797d40bg17907b6e208f2de0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/11/11 Robert Parker <rlp1938 at gmail.com>:
> Using a GUI for a repetitive task with parameters that don't change is
> just doing it the hard way. For such tasks the CLI is just so much
> easier. Morover it's more reliable. Why would you want a GUI?

You sure dont need a GUI for the backups but i think that a GUI for
the setup, configuration and most of all if you want to restore
something. Browsing the backups sorted by different criteria, see
diff's of files side by side, do searching... Thats some of the reason
when i would love to have a GUI when working with backups.

/ Jonas



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Tue Nov 11 10:13:44 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:13:44 +0200
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <16591827.AHOOMXuDPj@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>	<200811110709.27708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<16591827.AHOOMXuDPj@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <49195AD8.7060803@prayingforisrael.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:27:40 am Derek Broughton wrote:
> 
>>> 2) I can find no way to tell it which of my two monitors is the
>>> primary - nor to tell it that the external monitor is "to the right
>>> of" rather than a clone.
>> I belive this is scheduled for the next rev of KDE - 4.2 (January)
> 
> That's the sort of thing that really ticks off the users.  This _worked_ in 3.5, and there's no excuse for it to be so broken now.
> 
>>> 3) Panels: I can't move the panel to the top of the screen where it
>>> belongs, and if I add another (which _does_ go to the top of the
>>> screen, I can't put anything visible in it - I added a System tray, I
>>> know, because when I right-clicked on the panel it first asked if I
>>> wanted to remove the tray, but you couldn't see it)
>> Just tried adding a second panel and adding the menu widget to it -
>> worked for me. The system tray is just a container for notification
>> icons and is invisible when empty.
> 
> Whenever I add a panel, it's just a black bar, and anything I put in it is equally black.  Black on black works for formal occasions, but not on my desktop. :-)
> 
>>> 4) Konqueror, of course:
>>>  a) I could probably live with Dolphin, if only it had a Tree view!
>> Has been answered by others in later messages.
> 
> Hardly "others" - thanks for that, Lindsay - works a charm in both Dolphin & Konqueror, though I don't think you can actually configure it _from_ konqueror.
> 
>>>  b) where on earth is the "back" button?  What use is a browser
>>>  without a
>>> back button?
>> Definitely there normally.
> 
> Yes, I've fixed that too.  I don't know _why_ it wasn't there, but I ended up clicking on the <defaults> button in the toolbar config, and then I had back, forward and up icons.  So, just  another thing that didn't migrate well. 
> 
>> Maybe you have a borked KDE setup? did you upgrade from KDE 3?
> 
> I'd hate to consider it b0rked :-)  But yes...
>  
>> Might be worthwhile backuing up and deleting your .kde, .kderc and
>> .kde4 (if present) directories and rebooting.
> 
> That is _not_ happening!  I'll get in there and edit config files by hand before I just throw away the last 10 years of configuration :-)
> 
>>> 5) Kontact: <sob>  Nothing seems changed at all, let alone for the
>>> better. The developers still refuse to apply the patch that permits
>>> cross-posting
>>> without jumping through hoops  (cross-posting to newsgroups is NOT
>>> evil!); it still crashes too easily (this is my second attempt at
>>> this post). splitter pane positions are still forgotten (in both
>>> knode and akregator, at least).
>> Yes, apart from the upgrade to QT4 nothing has changed in Kontact. On
>> the bright side they do seem to be doing stuff in trunk.
>>
>> One bug I ran into - check the Dictionary is set to a installed
>> language in your KMail Identity. If not that will cause heaps of
>> crashes.
> 
> It appears to be so in both KMail and KNode (though, interestingly, _different_ languages, when they should both have been either "English" or "English - Canada").
> 
>>> 9) and I've lost my (vital) ksysguard applet which was displaying the
>>> temperature.  I daresay that will be easy enough to fix. --
>>> derek
>> There are plasmoids that do that.
> 
> I'm sure, but it just means I now have to figure out _how_.  It's fairly necessary because my acpi thermal doesn't properly reset after hibernation, and I need that sensor to show me that things are going critical...

I use GKrellm - great app that gives info on all sorts of things.....

sudo apt-get install gkrellm

Blessings,

Nigel

-- 



From dave at thefletchers.net  Tue Nov 11 13:41:50 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:41:50 +0000
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811101939t2b1ed549qf5b9e8faab0b7281@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811110043.42635.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<8f6eb7340811101939t2b1ed549qf5b9e8faab0b7281@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811111341.58893.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Tuesday 11 Nov 2008, Robert Parker wrote:
> 
> I like DVD's for backup. Can include growisofs in the backup script.
> 

Yes, I keep some of these backups on DVD too, but what I do is use an 8GB USB 
flash drive to accumulate /home/ backups and photograph files (which I don't 
store in my home directory) until I've got enough files to fill a DVD. Then I 
burn DVDs just the once and clear out the flash drive ready to start again.

Dave


-- 

Registered Linux user number 393408

I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1
For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit:
http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 14:00:04 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:00:04 -0400
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
References: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811110709.27708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
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Nigel Ridley wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:

>> Whenever I add a panel, it's just a black bar, and anything I put in
>> it is equally black.  Black on black works for formal occasions, but
>> not on my desktop. :-)

I've tried this again, and seem to have a working panel on the top of my screen - but the system tray only has half the items of the original tray.  Only the battery applet seems to be missing of the important items, though.

>>>> 9) and I've lost my (vital) ksysguard applet which was displaying
>>>> the temperature.  I daresay that will be easy enough to fix. --

>>> There are plasmoids that do that.
>> 
>> I'm sure, but it just means I now have to figure out _how_.  It's
>> fairly necessary because my acpi thermal doesn't properly reset after
>> hibernation, and I need that sensor to show me that things are going
>> critical...
> 
> I use GKrellm - great app that gives info on all sorts of things.....
> 
> sudo apt-get install gkrellm

Well, I _could_ do that, but "why?"  Ksysguard does the job beautifully, so all I need is to figure out how to do it in the panel.  I really can't imagine it not being possible.  Though I couldn't imagine not being able to move the panel either, but google suggests I can't.
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 14:03:14 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:03:14 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net> <49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>
Message-ID: <491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>

Paul Lemmons wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  
>> I went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  
>> Their computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a 
>> program that converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a 
>> Microsoft PC?  I only have a few days to comply, so thanks for 
>> considering this an important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
>> Steven
>>   
>
> Have it print to a pdf instead of ps.
>
> print->print to file  Output Format     * PDF  o Postscript
That is what it says when I print, PDF.  But when the item copied shows 
up on the desktop, it is entered as mozilla.ps, and that is not 
recognized by Windows.  The only person who can help me has had many 
troubles with Mozilla on his computer.  When I tried to print th .ps 
file on his computer, the computer was redirected to a Microsoft site 
for unrecognized file types.  My friend did not want to download 
anything relating to Mozilla; his troubles were so great when he did 
that he just wouldn't do it.



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 14:05:30 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:05:30 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <11072921.pktmX2rHoM@cedar.serverforest.com>

Jonas Norlander wrote:

> 2008/11/11 Robert Parker <rlp1938 at gmail.com>:
>> Using a GUI for a repetitive task with parameters that don't change
>> is just doing it the hard way. For such tasks the CLI is just so much
>> easier. Morover it's more reliable. Why would you want a GUI?
> 
> You sure dont need a GUI for the backups but i think that a GUI for
> the setup, configuration and most of all if you want to restore
> something. Browsing the backups sorted by different criteria, see
> diff's of files side by side, do searching... Thats some of the reason
> when i would love to have a GUI when working with backups.

The best backup system for KDE, ever, was KDar.  I still use it, even though it's been out of Kubuntu since Feisty.  KDar is just the GUI for dar, but nobody in their right mind would try to set up a backup system using dar directly.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 14:02:36 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:02:36 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811110043.42635.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<8f6eb7340811101939t2b1ed549qf5b9e8faab0b7281@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1319212.Dy4Jlkh5pf@cedar.serverforest.com>

Robert Parker wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:43 AM, David Fletcher
> <dave at thefletchers.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The script does a couple of rsync runs, from the local /etc directory
>> to a backup directory in my home folder, then also from my server to
>> local home, then does a tar file of /home/.
>>
> At last! A discussion of what should be backed up. I'd tar
> /var/cache/apt to a backup dir in /home also and make sure it was
> backed up before being cleaned. No sense in downloading all your
> updates and additions after a reinstall.

imo, that's about the last thing you need.  "No sense" in going to the trouble of backing up files you can get easily from the net :-)

It's the stuff you _change_ that needs to be backed up.
-- 
derek




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 14:13:06 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:13:06 +0200
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net> <49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>
	<491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491992F2.2010400@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Paul Lemmons wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  
>>> I went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  
>>> Their computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a 
>>> program that converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a 
>>> Microsoft PC?  I only have a few days to comply, so thanks for 
>>> considering this an important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
>>> Steven
>>>   
>> Have it print to a pdf instead of ps.
>>
>> print->print to file  Output Format     * PDF  o Postscript
> That is what it says when I print, PDF.  But when the item copied shows 
> up on the desktop, it is entered as mozilla.ps, and that is not 
> recognized by Windows.  The only person who can help me has had many 
> troubles with Mozilla on his computer.  When I tried to print th .ps 
> file on his computer, the computer was redirected to a Microsoft site 
> for unrecognized file types.  My friend did not want to download 
> anything relating to Mozilla; his troubles were so great when he did 
> that he just wouldn't do it.
> 

Steven, try as someone else suggested, to use the program ps2pdf on ur
linux box. on a terminal, cd to the directory containing the .ps file,
and type in the terminal:
ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf    (or whatever the name of the file is)
if ps2pdf is not installed on ur system, it will complain, and it would
tell you what package is needed to have this ps2pdf program, and trust,
it's a very helpful error message, that will tell you the exact command
needed to get the program :-)
give it a try

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 14:07:48 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:07:48 -0400
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
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Steven Vollom wrote:

> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I
> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program
> that
> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC? 

How about ps2pdf?  You should have it.
-- 
derek




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 14:16:28 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:16:28 +0200
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <1319212.Dy4Jlkh5pf@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>	<200811110043.42635.dave@thefletchers.net>	<8f6eb7340811101939t2b1ed549qf5b9e8faab0b7281@mail.gmail.com>
	<1319212.Dy4Jlkh5pf@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <491993BC.4050205@gmail.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Robert Parker wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:43 AM, David Fletcher
>> <dave at thefletchers.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> The script does a couple of rsync runs, from the local /etc directory
>>> to a backup directory in my home folder, then also from my server to
>>> local home, then does a tar file of /home/.
>>>
>> At last! A discussion of what should be backed up. I'd tar
>> /var/cache/apt to a backup dir in /home also and make sure it was
>> backed up before being cleaned. No sense in downloading all your
>> updates and additions after a reinstall.
> 
> imo, that's about the last thing you need.  "No sense" in going to the trouble of backing up files you can get easily from the net :-)
> 
> It's the stuff you _change_ that needs to be backed up.

some ppl like me have a very slow connection and limited bandwidth, i
can't imagine myself redownloading all this stuff, it'll take me months.
but Robert should also remember that these packages are only suitable
for a reinstall of the current system, backing the packages to be used
after a fresh install of some other version of ubuntu is very wrong.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 14:14:11 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:14:11 -0400
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
References: <49190097.4502.b6f30b90.3c7bf9fb@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1989567.iI8eVEyUYx@cedar.serverforest.com>

lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:

> Perhaps if you set up a new user and logged in - that way you could
> see a default config and indentify what's config issues and whats not
> :)

Geez, what a dolt I am. :-(  You know, I _usually_ do that!
 
> I understand what you said earlier about being more impressed by the
> eye candy than you expected. I'm not a great fan of themes myself,
> more a functional kind of person, but KDE 4 is *really* smooth and
> good looking, to the extent I miss it when on gnome or XP. 

Yes, that's exactly how I'm feeling.  When I got this laptop with Vista installed, it just annoyed the heck out of me.  I just felt like it was Windows dressing (sorry) to cover up the flaws.

With KDE4, flaws and all, I'm much more interested in finding ways to either work around the flaws, or change my ways.

In fact, even after getting Evolution set up to completely replace Kontact, I remember why I was only using Evo for it's Exchange connector.  It is _uuuggglllllyyyyy_, and klunky.  So it's back to trying to get kontact working reliably, already :-)
-- 
derek




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 11 14:59:43 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:59:43 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <11072921.pktmX2rHoM@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811110204o48c5048fi9a3f75f51d6ec830@mail.gmail.com>
	<11072921.pktmX2rHoM@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811110959.44141.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> The best backup system for KDE, ever, was KDar.  I still use it, even
> though it's been out of Kubuntu since Feisty.  KDar is just the GUI for
> dar, but nobody in their right mind would try to set up a backup system
> using dar directly.

Ever take a look at Daromizer?   It run dar but it chops output into nice 
pieces, to fit on DVD's or CD's or whatever.



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 14:53:59 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:53:59 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811110043.42635.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<8f6eb7340811101939t2b1ed549qf5b9e8faab0b7281@mail.gmail.com>
	<1319212.Dy4Jlkh5pf@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491993BC.4050205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1989571.7p1W4FuDOV@cedar.serverforest.com>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Robert Parker wrote:
>> 
>>> At last! A discussion of what should be backed up. I'd tar
>>> /var/cache/apt to a backup dir in /home also and make sure it was
>>> backed up before being cleaned. No sense in downloading all your
>>> updates and additions after a reinstall.
>> 
>> imo, that's about the last thing you need.  "No sense" in going to
>> the trouble of backing up files you can get easily from the net :-)
>> 
>> It's the stuff you _change_ that needs to be backed up.
> 
> some ppl like me have a very slow connection and limited bandwidth, i
> can't imagine myself redownloading all this stuff, it'll take me
> months.

But you can get all that off a DVD, too...  It's easier (and in the long run cheaper) to order a DVD than to keep backing up your /var/cache/apt).

> but Robert should also remember that these packages are only
> suitable for a reinstall of the current system, backing the packages
> to be used after a fresh install of some other version of ubuntu is
> very wrong.

As long as you're just getting /var/cache/apt, it's not a big issue.  If you were to use the backup as a repository (there are various recipes to do this on the web), then more recent repos would always override it and if you restore it and "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" it will be safe as long as you use the "--refuse-downgrade" option (too bad that isn't the default - it's true that I almost only ever use dpkg when I _do_ want to do a downgrade, but it would be safer if that wasn't the default).
-- 
derek




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 15:06:47 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:06:47 -0500
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <2344735.lnaTJbyqKh@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<43812891.Zqak3dcffE@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<2344735.lnaTJbyqKh@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811111006.53817.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008 3:10:56 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
>  I really think I'm going to turf Kontact...


~$ wtf turf
Gee...  I don't know what turf means...
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 15:24:02 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:24:02 -0500
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I
>> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
>> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program
>> that
>> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC? 
>>     
>
> How about ps2pdf?  You should have it.
>   
I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it.  When 
I attempt to save, it is not an option.  But thanks anyway!



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 15:34:39 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:34:39 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <491992F2.2010400@gmail.com>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
	<49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>	<491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>
	<491992F2.2010400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4919A60F.2080601@sbcglobal.net>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Paul Lemmons wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  
>>>> I went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  
>>>> Their computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a 
>>>> program that converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a 
>>>> Microsoft PC?  I only have a few days to comply, so thanks for 
>>>> considering this an important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
>>>> Steven
>>>>   
>>>>         
>>> Have it print to a pdf instead of ps.
>>>
>>> print->print to file  Output Format     * PDF  o Postscript
>>>       
>> That is what it says when I print, PDF.  But when the item copied shows 
>> up on the desktop, it is entered as mozilla.ps, and that is not 
>> recognized by Windows.  The only person who can help me has had many 
>> troubles with Mozilla on his computer.  When I tried to print th .ps 
>> file on his computer, the computer was redirected to a Microsoft site 
>> for unrecognized file types.  My friend did not want to download 
>> anything relating to Mozilla; his troubles were so great when he did 
>> that he just wouldn't do it.
>>
>>     
>
> Steven, try as someone else suggested, to use the program ps2pdf on ur
> linux box. on a terminal, cd to the directory containing the .ps file,
> and type in the terminal:
> ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf    (or whatever the name of the file is)
> if ps2pdf is not installed on ur system, it will complain, and it would
> tell you what package is needed to have this ps2pdf program, and trust,
> it's a very helpful error message, that will tell you the exact command
> needed to get the program :-)
> give it a try
>
>   
Dear Willie,

I really appreciate the help, however I am a terminal dummy.  I opened a 
terminal and typed in cd desktop, then cd /desktop, then sudo cd 
desktop.  That is where I saved the mozilla.ps.

I am sorry to be so stupid.  I crave being able to use the terminal, 
however some of the basics are not explained.  Apparently they are so 
basic that the assumption is that everyone knows.

I keep getting *'No such file or directory'*.

Thanks for your patience.

Steven



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 15:37:14 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:37:14 -0500
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
In-Reply-To: <200811110655.37782.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
	<200811101538.32186.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811110655.37782.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811111037.19700.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008 3:55:37 pm Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> And I think what you are looking for is:
>   Dolphin|Settings|Configure Dolphin|View Modes|Details|Expandable Folders

Exactly.  Thanks.


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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 15:35:40 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:35:40 +0200
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4919A64C.4030609@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I
>>> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
>>> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program
>>> that
>>> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC? 
>>>     
>> How about ps2pdf?  You should have it.
>>   
> I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it.  When 
> I attempt to save, it is not an option.  But thanks anyway!
> 

read my email steven, i explained about the program and how to get it on
this thread, search for my email ;-)

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From hvontres at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 15:36:51 2008
From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:36:51 -0800
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <a7f8874a0811110736l654e21am4508de9271135942@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I
>>> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
>>> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program
>>> that
>>> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?
>>>
>>
>> How about ps2pdf?  You should have it.
>>
> I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it.  When
> I attempt to save, it is not an option.  But thanks anyway!
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>


ps2pdf is part of the ghostscript package

-- 
Henry von Tresckow (hvontres)



From hvontres at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 15:39:47 2008
From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:39:47 -0800
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that can
	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <4919A60F.2080601@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net> <49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>
	<491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net> <491992F2.2010400@gmail.com>
	<4919A60F.2080601@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <a7f8874a0811110739q7fad77cel3b7c3e18af03a0f9@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Lemmons wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.
>>>>> I went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.
>>>>> Their computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a
>>>>> program that converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a
>>>>> Microsoft PC?  I only have a few days to comply, so thanks for
>>>>> considering this an important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Have it print to a pdf instead of ps.
>>>>
>>>> print->print to file  Output Format     * PDF  o Postscript
>>>>
>>> That is what it says when I print, PDF.  But when the item copied shows
>>> up on the desktop, it is entered as mozilla.ps, and that is not
>>> recognized by Windows.  The only person who can help me has had many
>>> troubles with Mozilla on his computer.  When I tried to print th .ps
>>> file on his computer, the computer was redirected to a Microsoft site
>>> for unrecognized file types.  My friend did not want to download
>>> anything relating to Mozilla; his troubles were so great when he did
>>> that he just wouldn't do it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Steven, try as someone else suggested, to use the program ps2pdf on ur
>> linux box. on a terminal, cd to the directory containing the .ps file,
>> and type in the terminal:
>> ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf    (or whatever the name of the file is)
>> if ps2pdf is not installed on ur system, it will complain, and it would
>> tell you what package is needed to have this ps2pdf program, and trust,
>> it's a very helpful error message, that will tell you the exact command
>> needed to get the program :-)
>> give it a try
>>
>>
> Dear Willie,
>
> I really appreciate the help, however I am a terminal dummy.  I opened a
> terminal and typed in cd desktop, then cd /desktop, then sudo cd
> desktop.  That is where I saved the mozilla.ps.
>
> I am sorry to be so stupid.  I crave being able to use the terminal,
> however some of the basics are not explained.  Apparently they are so
> basic that the assumption is that everyone knows.
>
> I keep getting *'No such file or directory'*.
>
> Thanks for your patience.
>
> Steven
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>

to get a listing of all files, try "ls"
the Desktop is "Desktop" iirc

-- 
Henry von Tresckow (hvontres)



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 15:44:41 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:44:41 -0500
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
In-Reply-To: <1550354.8RdVo8aOaC@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
	<200811110655.37782.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<1550354.8RdVo8aOaC@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811111044.41374.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008 7:56:07 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
>  I'm about to make the move to Evolution for all my PIM requirements.

The problem you mentioned a while back with incorrect unread message counts 
has indeed returned with evo 2.24.1 which is the ubuntu 8.10 default.  This 
had been fixed in evo 2.22.1 which was the 8.04 default.  The problem in 
2.24.1 is of a different origin than the earlier one where the count was 
correct in the title bar, but not the folder tree.  Now the error appears in 
both the folder list and the title bar.  

It has been fixed upstream, and hopefully, will be backported to Ubuntu.  You 
can force a correction by setting an environment value and restarting evo, 
but this seems more trouble to me  than living with the annoyance until the 
fix is adopted on Ubuntu.

Just so you know.

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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 15:54:11 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:54:11 -0500
Subject: Dolphin Tree View
In-Reply-To: <4918D3BA.5030305@swbell.net>
References: <49188BCC.7090105@swbell.net>
	<200811101538.32186.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<4918D3BA.5030305@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200811111054.11651.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008 7:37:14 pm Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
> Personally I never liked the tree view
> in the main window. [ But that's personal preference. ]

As you say, not liking it is not the same as not being able to use it.

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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 15:53:29 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:53:29 +0200
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <4919A60F.2080601@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>	<49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>	<491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>	<491992F2.2010400@gmail.com>
	<4919A60F.2080601@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4919AA79.9090104@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>> Paul Lemmons wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  
>>>>> I went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  
>>>>> Their computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a 
>>>>> program that converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a 
>>>>> Microsoft PC?  I only have a few days to comply, so thanks for 
>>>>> considering this an important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>   
>>>>>         
>>>> Have it print to a pdf instead of ps.
>>>>
>>>> print->print to file  Output Format     * PDF  o Postscript
>>>>       
>>> That is what it says when I print, PDF.  But when the item copied shows 
>>> up on the desktop, it is entered as mozilla.ps, and that is not 
>>> recognized by Windows.  The only person who can help me has had many 
>>> troubles with Mozilla on his computer.  When I tried to print th .ps 
>>> file on his computer, the computer was redirected to a Microsoft site 
>>> for unrecognized file types.  My friend did not want to download 
>>> anything relating to Mozilla; his troubles were so great when he did 
>>> that he just wouldn't do it.
>>>
>>>     
>> Steven, try as someone else suggested, to use the program ps2pdf on ur
>> linux box. on a terminal, cd to the directory containing the .ps file,
>> and type in the terminal:
>> ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf    (or whatever the name of the file is)
>> if ps2pdf is not installed on ur system, it will complain, and it would
>> tell you what package is needed to have this ps2pdf program, and trust,
>> it's a very helpful error message, that will tell you the exact command
>> needed to get the program :-)
>> give it a try
>>
>>   
> Dear Willie,
> 
> I really appreciate the help, however I am a terminal dummy.  I opened a 
> terminal and typed in cd desktop, then cd /desktop, then sudo cd 
> desktop.  That is where I saved the mozilla.ps.
> 
> I am sorry to be so stupid.  I crave being able to use the terminal, 
> however some of the basics are not explained.  Apparently they are so 
> basic that the assumption is that everyone knows.
> 
> I keep getting *'No such file or directory'*.
> 
> Thanks for your patience.
> 
> Steven
> 

it's ok steven, we were all terminal dummies at first ;)
linux is case-sensitive, there is a difference between Desktop and
desktop, to get a list of files, use "ls" , you will see what targets
you can cd to. once in a terminal, type the following:
cd ~/Desktop       (this will to the desktop no matter where you was)
ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf     (if the program is not installed,
you'll get a helpful message here)
feel free to ask if anything else went wrong :-)

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 15:59:18 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:59:18 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that can
	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811101913l15987d5fgc2bea1cc03b2490a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
	<8f6eb7340811101913l15987d5fgc2bea1cc03b2490a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811111059.18402.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008 10:13:15 pm Robert Parker wrote:
> ps2pdf whatever.ps whatever.pdf
>
> I'm not sure now whether it's there automatically or whether you have
> to get it from the repos.

Its part of ghostview and should be there automatically.  Another, easier, way 
is to install cups-pdf and have it print to PDF, bypassing PostScript (at 
least from the user's perspective).  With cups-pdf, you have a printer called 
PDF.  Anything you print to it will create a PDF in the ~/PDF directory.  You 
can use it in any app that way.
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From labradley at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 11 15:59:14 2008
From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:59:14 -0600
Subject: Konqueror wants to load urls in firefox
Message-ID: <4919ABD2.2040204@mindspring.com>

Using Kubuntu Hardy Heron but I suspect this applies to Ubuntu also.

I can load a url in Konqueror but if I try to load a url within the 
original url,  a box pops up with the option to Save to Disk, Open in 
Firefox or Cancel.

How can I change so that Konqueror loads a url within itself?

Larry




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 15:52:33 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:52:33 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811110204o48c5048fi9a3f75f51d6ec830@mail.gmail.com>
	<11072921.pktmX2rHoM@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811110959.44141.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <3840761.BHQ3EceOT0@cedar.serverforest.com>

Bruce Marshall wrote:

> On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> The best backup system for KDE, ever, was KDar.  I still use it, even
>> though it's been out of Kubuntu since Feisty.  KDar is just the GUI
>> for dar, but nobody in their right mind would try to set up a backup
>> system using dar directly.
> 
> Ever take a look at Daromizer?   It run dar but it chops output into
> nice pieces, to fit on DVD's or CD's or whatever.

KDar does that too.  I'll have to look at Daromizer.
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 15:59:57 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:59:57 -0500
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <a7f8874a0811110736l654e21am4508de9271135942@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
	<a7f8874a0811110736l654e21am4508de9271135942@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4919ABFD.3080503@sbcglobal.net>

Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I
>>>> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
>>>> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program
>>>> that
>>>> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> How about ps2pdf?  You should have it.
>>>
>>>       
>> I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it.  When
>> I attempt to save, it is not an option.  But thanks anyway!
>>
>> --
>> kubuntu-users mailing list
>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>>
>>     
>
>
> ps2pdf is part of the ghostscript package
>
>   
I believe the ghostscript package is the one that made the original save 
(mozilla.ps); there were no options for pdf.



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 15:54:45 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:54:45 -0400
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1582474.W99ApL1zmB@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt. 
>>> I
>>> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
>>> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program
>>> that
>>> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?
>>>     
>>
>> How about ps2pdf?  You should have it.
>>   
> I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it. 
> When
> I attempt to save, it is not an option.

An option to what?  As I said, it should already be on your system (the
package is ghostscript).

> But thanks anyway!

-- 
derek




From alain.muls at telenet.be  Tue Nov 11 16:09:38 2008
From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:09:38 +0100
Subject: import calendar meeting
Message-ID: <200811111709.39097.alain.muls@telenet.be>

Hi

I get from a colleague a invitation for a meeting and he provides a vcs file 
from it. I copied it here with modifications only to the contents:

BEGIN:VCALENDAR
BEGIN:VEVENT
ORGANIZER:MAILTO:xxx.yyy at zzzz.ww
DTSTART:20081119T113000Z
DTEND:20081119T150000Z
LOCATION;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:Building Location
DESCRIPTION;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:session - 19/11/08=0D=0A
SUMMARY:session - 19/11/08
PRIORITY:2
CLASS:PUBLIC
BEGIN:VALARM
TRIGGER:PT15M
ACTION:DISPLAY
DESCRIPTION:Reminder
END:VALARM
END:VEVENT
END:VCALENDAR

I try to load it in my personal calendar using kontact, but kontact 
(v1.3)/kmail (v1.10.1) KDEv4.1 are unable to accept this?

Any suggestions?
Tx/Alain

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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 16:14:03 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:14:03 -0500
Subject: directory permissions corrupted in 8.10
Message-ID: <200811111114.03451.art.alexion@gmail.com>

I am running Ubuntu 8.10 and Kubuntu 8.04.  A co-worker is running kubuntu 
8.10.  We both have this problem with 8.10.  I do not have the problem with 
8.04.  The syntax on our /etc/fstab is essentially the same, and nothing 
there has changed in close to a year.  The problem appeared on both of our 
computers last week in the /mnt tree.

I have a few Samba/cifs shares mounted to assorted directories on /mnt.  One 
has started to refuse to mount citing permission issues. The same share is 
mounted on the 8.04 computer, so the permissions issue is not on the server. 
Changing ownership or permissions is denied, even via sudo.

Here is what I have.
~$ sudo ls -l /mnt/
[sudo] password for art: 
ls: cannot access /mnt/H: Permission denied
total 0
drwxrwxr-x 1 art art 0 2008-11-07 12:52 CompMDB
d????????? ? ?   ?   ?                ? H
drwxrwxr-x 1 art art 0 2008-11-06 10:15 python-public
drwxrwxr-x 1 art art 0 2008-10-29 09:26 python-utilities
drwxrwxr-x 1 art art 0 2008-11-07 10:57 U

Causes? Fix?
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 16:10:47 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:10:47 -0400
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
References: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811110709.27708.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<16591827.AHOOMXuDPj@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<49195AD8.7060803@prayingforisrael.net>
	<2360185.a86OfyJ4XQ@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <1548584.PkPhmdko7s@cedar.serverforest.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:

>> Derek Broughton wrote:
> 
>>> Whenever I add a panel, it's just a black bar, and anything I put in
>>> it is equally black.  Black on black works for formal occasions, but
>>> not on my desktop. :-)
> 
> I've tried this again, and seem to have a working panel on the top of
> my screen - but the system tray only has half the items of the
> original tray.  Only the battery applet seems to be missing of the
> important items, though.

OK, so the system tray works a little differently from 3.5 - things only
appear in the tray if they're started _after_ the tray.  Unfortunately,
after logging off (where do I configure that insane "logging off in 30
seconds" countdown!  - that's even worse than Windows) and back on, it
moved my new panel back to the bottom of the screen AND emptied it. 
Very annoying...
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 16:24:38 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:24:38 -0500
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <1582474.W99ApL1zmB@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
	<1582474.W99ApL1zmB@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <4919B1C6.3010708@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt. 
>>>> I
>>>> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
>>>> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program
>>>> that
>>>> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> How about ps2pdf?  You should have it.
>>>   
>>>       
>> I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it. 
>> When
>> I attempt to save, it is not an option.
>>     
>
> An option to what?  As I said, it should already be on your system (the
> package is ghostscript).
>
>   
>> But thanks anyway!
>>     
>
>   
Please don't get too frustrated with me.  It is not easy being as stupid 
as I am.  I am pretty sure I have ghostscript because I remember seeing 
that at the top of a window I had opened recently.  When I was using 
windows and wanted to save something to a different file extension, I 
would click on a dropdown and several choices would appear.  That is 
what I expected when I clicked 'save as' on the mozilla.ps file.  I 
expected to see perhaps .html or pdf or some other recognizable file 
extension that I could save to.  Is a .ps file considered the same as a 
.pdf?  I am so frustrated.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 11 16:28:26 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:28:26 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <3840761.BHQ3EceOT0@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811110959.44141.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<3840761.BHQ3EceOT0@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811111128.27309.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> > Ever take a look at Daromizer?   It run dar but it chops output into
> > nice pieces, to fit on DVD's or CD's or whatever.
>
> KDar does that too.  I'll have to look at Daromizer.

One thing Daromizer does is to run dar as a background task while it writes 
the previous piece to media.  So once it gets rolling (past the first piece) 
it gets to be pretty efficient.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 11 16:30:34 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:30:34 -0400
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811111130.35118.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it.  When
> I attempt to save, it is not an option.  But thanks anyway!

Convert is part of the imagmagik package and will convert almost anything to 
anything else.   Not sure whether it calls on ps2pdf or not but you might 
give convert a try.   It's worth having around.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 16:33:04 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:33:04 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <200811111059.18402.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>	<8f6eb7340811101913l15987d5fgc2bea1cc03b2490a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811111059.18402.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4919B3C0.9040900@sbcglobal.net>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Monday 10 November 2008 10:13:15 pm Robert Parker wrote:
>   
>> ps2pdf whatever.ps whatever.pdf
>>
>> I'm not sure now whether it's there automatically or whether you have
>> to get it from the repos.
>>     
>
> Its part of ghostview and should be there automatically.  Another, easier, way 
> is to install cups-pdf and have it print to PDF, bypassing PostScript (at 
> least from the user's perspective).  With cups-pdf, you have a printer called 
> PDF.  Anything you print to it will create a PDF in the ~/PDF directory.  You 
> can use it in any app that way.
>   
Dear Art,

This one is making me crazy.  I just looked at the Desktop and now I 
have both mozilla.ps as well as mozilla.pdf on the screen.  I have no 
idea what I did to have mozilla.pdf appear.  When opened the mozilla.ps 
and clicked on print, the window that opened showed a PDF printer, but I 
didn't follow up by clicking on print or OK or whatever the choice was, 
I thought I did that before.  It appears now that I have a .pdf of what 
I need.  I will go to my friends house and try to copy it.  Thanks for 
the help.  Sorry to be such a burden.

Steven



From rick_knight at rlknight.com  Tue Nov 11 16:43:39 2008
From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:43:39 -0800
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <a7f8874a0811110739q7fad77cel3b7c3e18af03a0f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
	<49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>	<491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>
	<491992F2.2010400@gmail.com>	<4919A60F.2080601@sbcglobal.net>
	<a7f8874a0811110739q7fad77cel3b7c3e18af03a0f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4919B63B.2050708@rlknight.com>

Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Paul Lemmons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.
>>>>>> I went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.
>>>>>> Their computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a
>>>>>> program that converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a
>>>>>> Microsoft PC?  I only have a few days to comply, so thanks for
>>>>>> considering this an important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> Have it print to a pdf instead of ps.
>>>>>
>>>>> print->print to file  Output Format     * PDF  o Postscript
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> That is what it says when I print, PDF.  But when the item copied shows
>>>> up on the desktop, it is entered as mozilla.ps, and that is not
>>>> recognized by Windows.  The only person who can help me has had many
>>>> troubles with Mozilla on his computer.  When I tried to print th .ps
>>>> file on his computer, the computer was redirected to a Microsoft site
>>>> for unrecognized file types.  My friend did not want to download
>>>> anything relating to Mozilla; his troubles were so great when he did
>>>> that he just wouldn't do it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Steven, try as someone else suggested, to use the program ps2pdf on ur
>>> linux box. on a terminal, cd to the directory containing the .ps file,
>>> and type in the terminal:
>>> ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf    (or whatever the name of the file is)
>>> if ps2pdf is not installed on ur system, it will complain, and it would
>>> tell you what package is needed to have this ps2pdf program, and trust,
>>> it's a very helpful error message, that will tell you the exact command
>>> needed to get the program :-)
>>> give it a try
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Dear Willie,
>>
>> I really appreciate the help, however I am a terminal dummy.  I opened a
>> terminal and typed in cd desktop, then cd /desktop, then sudo cd
>> desktop.  That is where I saved the mozilla.ps.
>>
>> I am sorry to be so stupid.  I crave being able to use the terminal,
>> however some of the basics are not explained.  Apparently they are so
>> basic that the assumption is that everyone knows.
>>
>> I keep getting *'No such file or directory'*.
>>
>> Thanks for your patience.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> --
>> kubuntu-users mailing list
>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>>
>>     
>
> to get a listing of all files, try "ls"
> the Desktop is "Desktop" iirc
>
>   
Steven,

You can get to your desktop with

$ cd ~/Desktop





From phantom21 at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 11 16:56:25 2008
From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:56:25 -0400
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that can
	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811111156.26517.phantom21@mindspring.com>

On Monday 10 November 2008 10:02:10 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I
> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program that
> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?  I
> only have a few days to comply, so thanks for considering this an
> important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
> Steven

In the command line you can convert the ps file to a pdf, which anyone with a 
windows system should be able to read, use the command: ps2pdf name-of-file

for example, ps2pdf mozilla.ps would create a mozilla.pdf


Mark



From cherryfinals at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 17:21:01 2008
From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:21:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: HAL problem!
In-Reply-To: <200811111156.26517.phantom21@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <382748.11126.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Sorry to bug y'all, but I'm at my wit's end here. 

Last week, I tried to load QTparted in order to reformat a thumb drive. It would not load and when I checked the wiki, it seems as if there are a couple of known bugs with it. 

Then, I tried to access the thumb drive and it wasn't recognized. The error message said HAL not loaded. The same thing was also happening to the CD/DVD drive. My system wouldn't recognize anything I put in it.

I closed all applications and restarted my system and HAL still won't load. 

I tried searching on the various forums for this behavior and couldn't find anything resolved.

After three physical restarts, hitting Esc and doing a dkpg repair (which it said it didn't need) it loaded once more and was working fine. I still haven;t the slightest idea what happened.

Three days ago, I was working as usual, with the following windows open:

Firefox (several tabs)
Kopete
Kontact
TrueCrypt (thumb drive volume)
Ktorrent (several downloads)

While I was switching from one Firefox tab to another, the system locked up. At first, the cursor disappeared, then it jumped back on screen in different locations, several times. 

I waited, and in about a minute, it stabilized. From then on, for the next half hour, the mouse cursor worked, but nothing else would respond. The keyboard was also non-responsive. I tried hitting all of the F keys with ten seconds between each and nothing happened. I gave it a half hour to see if it would clear and finally gave up and powered down.

Everything seemed to work fine when it came back up, including thumb drives, TrueCrypt and CD/DVD. As usual, I left it on overnight.

The next morning, I sat down to write a bit more and the thumb drive wouldn't load. When I checked, it said it needed HAL. Same thing I ran into the other day. This time, I closed all active programs and did a full, power-off shutdown. When it came back, everything, including HAL/thumbdrives was working.

This was really making me a bit nervous. I'm starting to think there's a hardware (heat related?) problem. 

Everything has been working fine for the past two days. I had been using my thumbdrives regularly. 

Last night, I dismounted the thumbdrive properly from TrueCrypt and then did a 'safe remove'. All was fine.

When I went to check free space with Konqeror. I saw that HAL wasn't loaded again. 

I did a full, power-off shutdown, brought it back up in Recovery mode and ran the repair utilities. The said everything was fine. Once again, everything came up fine, but no HAL.

Then, I did a hard (power off) boot and it came up with "kstartupconfig won't 
load'. 

I did another restart and went into recovery mode. Tried repair dkpg and it failed to read the servers.  

If I go into ksysguard, it shows hal as loaded, but it is always sleeping.

I restarted again and this time it loaded, so I went to console and tried an apt-get update and this is the result.

=========

Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 8.04.1 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080701.2) hardy 
Relea
se.gpg
Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 8.04.1 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080701.2) 
hardy/main
Translation-en_US
Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 8.04.1 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080701.2) 
hardy/restr
icted Translation-en_US
Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 8.04.1 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080701.2) hardy 
Relea
se
Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 8.04.1 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080701.2) 
hardy/main
Packages
Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 8.04.1 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080701.2) 
hardy/restr
icted Packages
Err cdrom://Kubuntu 8.04.1 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080701.2) 
hardy/main
Packages
  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update 
can
not be used to add new CD-ROMs
Err cdrom://Kubuntu 8.04.1 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080701.2) 
hardy/restr
icted Packages
  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update 
can
not be used to add new CD-ROMs
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release.gpg
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Translation-en_US
Hit http://archive.canonical.com hardy Release.gpg
Ign http://archive.canonical.com hardy/partner Translation-en_US
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security Release.gpg
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/restricted Translation-en_US
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/restricted Translation-en_US
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Translation-en_US
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/multiverse Translation-en_US
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release.gpg
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/restricted Translation-en_US
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/universe Translation-en_US
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/universe Translation-en_US
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/multiverse Translation-en_US
Hit http://archive.canonical.com hardy Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security Release
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/multiverse Translation-en_US
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release
Hit http://archive.canonical.com hardy/partner Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/main Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/restricted Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Sources
Hit http://archive.canonical.com hardy/partner Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/restricted Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/main Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/restricted Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/restricted Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/multiverse Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/multiverse Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/universe Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/universe Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/multiverse Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/multiverse Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/restricted Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/restricted Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/universe Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/universe Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/multiverse Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/multiverse Sources
W: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Kubuntu 8.04.1 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 
(20080701.              2)]/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please 
use apt-cdrom to make this               CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get 
update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs

W: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Kubuntu 8.04.1 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 
(20080701.              2)]/dists/hardy/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  
Please use apt-cdrom to make               this CD-ROM recognized by APT. 
apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs

E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones 
used               instead.
stan at StanZ:~$

=========

When I powered back up, HAL is still loaded, but sleeping and neither my CD'DVD drive nor my thumb drive is recognized.

After that, I shut it down. Got some sleep and figured I'd start fresh this morning. After a clean power up this morning:

HAL is still not loading.

One last bit of info:

AMD 64bit CPU running Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE 3.5.10
The primary hard drive with the OS is 320Gb
The secondary (data) drive is 500Gb
Konqueror shows the primary drive mounted and I can see all the data on the data drive, but if I try to click the icon in Konq, it says 'only available with HAL'. 

Any more ideas or should I break down and do another total rebuild of my primary drive?

Stan [the deeply frustrated]



      



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 17:22:45 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:22:45 -0500
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <200811111130.35118.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811111130.35118.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <4919BF65.1040007@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it.  When
>> I attempt to save, it is not an option.  But thanks anyway!
>>     
>
> Convert is part of the imagmagik package and will convert almost anything to 
> anything else.   Not sure whether it calls on ps2pdf or not but you might 
> give convert a try.   It's worth having around.
>
>   
Dear Bruce,

I have been getting a lot of help.  I think the problem is solved but I 
am not sure.  Recently, a file -- mozilla.pdf appeared on my Desktop.  
Just moments before it was not there, so apparently something that 
someone tried to help me with has worked.  I won't know until I attempt 
to make a copy on a Windows computer, and my friend is not at home right 
now.  I looked in Adept Package Manager for imagmagik and nothing came 
up.  Am I typing in the correct spelling?  Thanks for the help friend.  
I will post a resolved if it prints.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 17:28:09 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:28:09 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <4919B63B.2050708@rlknight.com>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>	<49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>	<491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>	<491992F2.2010400@gmail.com>	<4919A60F.2080601@sbcglobal.net>	<a7f8874a0811110739q7fad77cel3b7c3e18af03a0f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4919B63B.2050708@rlknight.com>
Message-ID: <4919C0A9.2090401@sbcglobal.net>


>>>
>>> --
>>> kubuntu-users mailing list
>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> to get a listing of all files, try "ls"
>> the Desktop is "Desktop" iirc
>>
>>   
>>     
> Steven,
>
> You can get to your desktop with
>
> $ cd ~/Desktop
>
>
>
>   
Dear Rick,

I have gotten lots of help and may have a problem solved.  Recently a 
file mozilla.pdf appeared on the Desktop.  My friend is not at home, but 
when he is, I will take my thumb drive with mozilla.pdf over and see if 
it prints on a Microsoft PC.  Thanks for the help.  I will post  
RESOLVED   when I am sure it works.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 17:34:07 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:34:07 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <200811111156.26517.phantom21@mindspring.com>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811111156.26517.phantom21@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4919C20F.3060408@sbcglobal.net>

Mark Halegua wrote:
> On Monday 10 November 2008 10:02:10 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I
>> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
>> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program that
>> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?  I
>> only have a few days to comply, so thanks for considering this an
>> important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
>> Steven
>>     
>
> In the command line you can convert the ps file to a pdf, which anyone with a 
> windows system should be able to read, use the command: ps2pdf name-of-file
>
> for example, ps2pdf mozilla.ps would create a mozilla.pdf
>
>
> Mark
>
>   
Thanks Mark,

I think my problem is solved.  Somehow a file mozilla.pdf appeared on my 
Desktop, no doubt to the help of one of you.  My friend with the Windows 
PS and printer is not home right now, so when he is, I will attempt to 
make my copy.  Thanks for the help.  I seem to be learning; maybe there 
is a soft spot forming on that rock I call my head.  When I am sure the 
problem is solved, I will post a RESOLVED so that those who are trying 
to help can move on to someone else's problem.  I just love this source 
of help.  I wish I could adequately express how appreciative we 
recipients are.

Most Cordially,
Steven



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 17:45:03 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:45:03 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811101417460.12409@mittens>
	<f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811110945m75ea96e9j75028e5c6dbfc56@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> wrote:
> On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>> I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
>> really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
>> have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)
>
> Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping that
> you're kidding.
>
> GUI = a life
> CLI = no life
>

LOL, I am not kidding. I have yet to see a CLI program that I could
use without reading a manual and setting it all up. There are lots of
GUI software out there that can do that. Sorry but it is true. If you
spend your life CLIing then it might be faster but for a newbie or
someone that does not want to deal with it, it is not.
Vim vs OpenOffice
firestarter VS iptables
Konq vs Links, bash and MC or so?
need I go on?
Spreadsheet vs APL?
Sorry but that is the way it is. It takes longer to learn to use the
CLI and when it is used seldom it is easier to forget what you need to
do.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 11 17:45:29 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:45:29 -0400
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <4919BF65.1040007@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811111130.35118.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<4919BF65.1040007@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811111245.30336.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>  I looked in Adept Package Manager for imagmagik and nothing came
> up.  Am I typing in the correct spelling?  Thanks for the help friend.  
> I will post a resolved if it prints.

My bad...   It's imagemagik



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 17:45:38 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:45:38 -0500
Subject: Install problem QTparted
Message-ID: <4919C4C2.4070803@sbcglobal.net>

Thanks to a recent posting, it appears that qtparted is a package that 
can format my thumb drive.  Using Adept Package Manager I installed 
qtparted.  Every indication was that it was successfully installed.  It 
appears on Kmenu.  When I attempt to open it, the cursor indicates that 
the computer is trying to open the package, however, after a few moments 
that attempt ceases and the package remains unopened.

Steven



From barclay982 at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 11 18:06:41 2008
From: barclay982 at bellsouth.net (barclay982 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:06:41 +0000
Subject: vm
Message-ID: <111120081806.7197.4919C9B0000DC87000001C1D22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCDC8C7970E040C9D0E0D@att.net>

is there a recommended vm package for kubuntu?

barclay
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 18:06:45 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:06:45 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811111128.27309.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811110959.44141.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<3840761.BHQ3EceOT0@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811111128.27309.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811111006l15caac91sc16d9428b9523c1e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> > Ever take a look at Daromizer?   It run dar but it chops output into
>> > nice pieces, to fit on DVD's or CD's or whatever.
>>
>> KDar does that too.  I'll have to look at Daromizer.
>
> One thing Daromizer does is to run dar as a background task while it writes
> the previous piece to media.  So once it gets rolling (past the first piece)
> it gets to be pretty efficient.

So, is it true that there is no really good newbie friendly GUI based
backup program in the whole of Kubuntu? This seems to me like a huge
huge hole! Daromizer is not even in apt-get nor is Kdar.

Just to make sure I have the facts right.
dar is the best CLI backup program and it can do incremental backups.

Amanda is in Kubuntu but comes in 3 parts and is hard to learn.

rdiff-backup is a hard to use CLI but is good and is in Kubuntu?

DVDisaster is really good for archiving CD or DVDs but is hard to use
and must be used CLI to get the full usage that would be needed. It is
not for doing backups but can work.

One person uses tar (7zip is better) but that has no incremental
backup features.

kgpg to do a symmetrical encryption of the tar file save files in a
private way with Kgpg.

Keeper is lame.

One other point by me. The very best reason to have a GUI is so that
you can run a program that sets something complex up without having to
read the manual. Setups are often only done one or less times a year;
people forget CLI stuff faster than that. If you live the task then
CLI can be better. The other end of the task is hopefully done less
than one time decade, restoring what you lost. I would bet none of the
CLI guys can do it without looking back to the manual. Newbies don't
even know where the CLI manuals are!

Did I miss anything?



-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 18:12:09 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:12:09 -0500
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <200811111245.30336.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>	<200811111130.35118.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<4919BF65.1040007@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811111245.30336.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <4919CAF9.2020207@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>  I looked in Adept Package Manager for imagmagik and nothing came
>> up.  Am I typing in the correct spelling?  Thanks for the help friend.  
>> I will post a resolved if it prints.
>>     
>
> My bad...   It's imagemagik
>
>   
That's OK Bruce, but I still have a problem.  I am sure it is me.  Using 
Adept Package Manager, I type in imagemagik and nothing comes up.  Any 
ideas?



From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 18:15:56 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:15:56 +0700
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <4919BF65.1040007@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811111130.35118.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<4919BF65.1040007@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8f6eb7340811111015ne841422k8971ff63ff03a71e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I have been getting a lot of help.  I think the problem is solved but I
> am not sure.  Recently, a file -- mozilla.pdf appeared on my Desktop.
> Just moments before it was not there, so apparently something that
> someone tried to help me with has worked.  I won't know until I attempt
> to make a copy on a Windows computer, and my friend is not at home right
> now.  I looked in Adept Package Manager for imagmagik and nothing came
> up.  Am I typing in the correct spelling?  Thanks for the help friend.
> I will post a resolved if it prints.

ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf

The pdf will print from a Windows box.

Bob
-- 
In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Tue Nov 11 18:16:29 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:16:29 +0000
Subject: Install problem QTparted
In-Reply-To: <4919C4C2.4070803@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4919C4C2.4070803@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4919CBFD.20903@yahoo.it>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Thanks to a recent posting, it appears that qtparted is a package that 
> can format my thumb drive.  Using Adept Package Manager I installed 
> qtparted.  Every indication was that it was successfully installed.  It 
> appears on Kmenu.  When I attempt to open it, the cursor indicates that 
> the computer is trying to open the package, however, after a few moments 
> that attempt ceases and the package remains unopened.
> 
> Steven
> 

I've had the same problem from time to time. My workaround is to start 
it from the console:

kdesudo qtparted

a password window pops up: insert your password

and you get the program running.
HTH,
I.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 18:21:30 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:21:30 -0500
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811111015ne841422k8971ff63ff03a71e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>	<200811111130.35118.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<4919BF65.1040007@sbcglobal.net>
	<8f6eb7340811111015ne841422k8971ff63ff03a71e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4919CD2A.9010003@sbcglobal.net>

Robert Parker wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> I have been getting a lot of help.  I think the problem is solved but I
>> am not sure.  Recently, a file -- mozilla.pdf appeared on my Desktop.
>> Just moments before it was not there, so apparently something that
>> someone tried to help me with has worked.  I won't know until I attempt
>> to make a copy on a Windows computer, and my friend is not at home right
>> now.  I looked in Adept Package Manager for imagmagik and nothing came
>> up.  Am I typing in the correct spelling?  Thanks for the help friend.
>> I will post a resolved if it prints.
>>     
>
> ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf
>
> The pdf will print from a Windows box.
>
> Bob
>   
Thanks! Bob.  On my reply, I reported the problem solved.  Cheers!

Steven



From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Tue Nov 11 18:24:25 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:24:25 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811110945m75ea96e9j75028e5c6dbfc56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
	<f495db580811110945m75ea96e9j75028e5c6dbfc56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811111324.26034.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> wrote:
> > On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
> >> I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
> >> really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
> >> have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)
> >
> > Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping
> > that you're kidding.
> >
> > GUI = a life
> > CLI = no life
>
> LOL, I am not kidding. I have yet to see a CLI program that I could
> use without reading a manual and setting it all up. There are lots of
> GUI software out there that can do that. Sorry but it is true. If you
> spend your life CLIing then it might be faster but for a newbie or
> someone that does not want to deal with it, it is not.
> Vim vs OpenOffice
> firestarter VS iptables
> Konq vs Links, bash and MC or so?
> need I go on?
> Spreadsheet vs APL?
> Sorry but that is the way it is. It takes longer to learn to use the
> CLI and when it is used seldom it is easier to forget what you need to
> do.

Children use pictures, and when they grow up, they learn how to use words. You 
are obviously still at the child stage. I don't blame you for that, you just 
don't know what you are talking about.

Delete all jpg files in a directory.

Konq: Sort by filetype, scroll down...OH, I'm sorry, in a CLI, I just typed rm 
-f *.jpg and I won.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 18:24:57 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:24:57 -0500
Subject: Install problem QTparted
In-Reply-To: <4919CBFD.20903@yahoo.it>
References: <4919C4C2.4070803@sbcglobal.net> <4919CBFD.20903@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <4919CDF9.7060305@sbcglobal.net>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Thanks to a recent posting, it appears that qtparted is a package that 
>> can format my thumb drive.  Using Adept Package Manager I installed 
>> qtparted.  Every indication was that it was successfully installed.  It 
>> appears on Kmenu.  When I attempt to open it, the cursor indicates that 
>> the computer is trying to open the package, however, after a few moments 
>> that attempt ceases and the package remains unopened.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
>
> I've had the same problem from time to time. My workaround is to start 
> it from the console:
>
> kdesudo qtparted
>
> a password window pops up: insert your password
>
> and you get the program running.
> HTH,
> I.
>
>   
Thanks Ignazio, that worked great.  I have had similar problems with 
other packages in the past.  Will that step work for all, do you think?  
Do I have to do it each time I try to open from Kmenu?
Cheers!
Steven



From rick0009 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 18:25:59 2008
From: rick0009 at gmail.com (Richard)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:25:59 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
Message-ID: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>

Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
to deal with in a small office.

I know, there are still working on the KDE,
but thought I would as the guru's of Kubuntu for the final word.

if be the case, that its not there as of yet, then we may have to
to stay with Microsoft a little longer in the office.


Thanks !!!
Richard





From carl1086 at morris.umn.edu  Tue Nov 11 18:31:52 2008
From: carl1086 at morris.umn.edu (p.daniels)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:31:52 -0600
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
In-Reply-To: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
References: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811111231.52711.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>

On Tuesday November 11 2008 12:25:59 pm Richard wrote:
> Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
> compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
> to deal with in a small office.
>
> I know, there are still working on the KDE,
> but thought I would as the guru's of Kubuntu for the final word.
>
> if be the case, that its not there as of yet, then we may have to
> to stay with Microsoft a little longer in the office.
>
>
> Thanks !!!
> Richard

I personally dislike the whole "ready/not ready" paradigm. Ready for what? 
What do you need? What do you use computers for?

best wishes-
pete



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Tue Nov 11 18:34:48 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:34:48 +0000
Subject: Install problem QTparted
In-Reply-To: <4919CDF9.7060305@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4919C4C2.4070803@sbcglobal.net> <4919CBFD.20903@yahoo.it>
	<4919CDF9.7060305@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4919D048.6020001@yahoo.it>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>  
>>> Thanks to a recent posting, it appears that qtparted is a package 
>>> that can format my thumb drive.  Using Adept Package Manager I 
>>> installed qtparted.  Every indication was that it was successfully 
>>> installed.  It appears on Kmenu.  When I attempt to open it, the 
>>> cursor indicates that the computer is trying to open the package, 
>>> however, after a few moments that attempt ceases and the package 
>>> remains unopened.
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> I've had the same problem from time to time. My workaround is to start 
>> it from the console:
>>
>> kdesudo qtparted
>>
>> a password window pops up: insert your password
>>
>> and you get the program running.
>> HTH,
>> I.
>>
>>   
> Thanks Ignazio, that worked great.  I have had similar problems with 
> other packages in the past.  Will that step work for all, do you think?  

I think that depends on the cause of the problem, but it's worth trying 
them from the command line; even if it doesn't work, you may get more 
informative error messages. It's better to try them without kdesudo 
first, because that would give the program superuser access, and it 
might cause problems.
HTH,
I.

> Do I have to do it each time I try to open from Kmenu?
> Cheers!
> Steven
> 




From paul at lemmons.name  Tue Nov 11 18:43:09 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:43:09 -0700
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net> <49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>
	<491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4919D23D.7070903@lemmons.name>

-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: Re:How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention 
that    can    be read in a Microsoft OS?
From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 11/11/2008 07:03 AM
> Paul Lemmons wrote:
>   
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>     
>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  
>>> I went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  
>>> Their computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a 
>>> program that converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a 
>>> Microsoft PC?  I only have a few days to comply, so thanks for 
>>> considering this an important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
>>> Steven
>>>   
>>>       
>> Have it print to a pdf instead of ps.
>>
>> print->print to file  Output Format     * PDF  o Postscript
>>     
> That is what it says when I print, PDF.  But when the item copied shows 
> up on the desktop, it is entered as mozilla.ps, and that is not 
> recognized by Windows.  The only person who can help me has had many 
> troubles with Mozilla on his computer.  When I tried to print th .ps 
> file on his computer, the computer was redirected to a Microsoft site 
> for unrecognized file types.  My friend did not want to download 
> anything relating to Mozilla; his troubles were so great when he did 
> that he just wouldn't do it.
>
>   
The default for the PDF output should be in a directory in your home 
directory named PDF. I have not seen it place the file on the desktop 
before. Try again, selecting PDF as the output type and then look in 
~/PDF for the output. I do this all of the time so I know it will work.

-- 
Sometimes I wonder.  Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it.

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From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 18:35:48 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:35:48 +0700
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
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References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811111130.35118.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
> That's OK Bruce, but I still have a problem.  I am sure it is me.  Using
> Adept Package Manager, I type in imagemagik and nothing comes up.  Any
> ideas?

Open a terminal.
Just type:
sudo apt-get install imagemagick

Please note the spelling. It is a miss-spelling in English but you
have to spell it as above.

Once installed type:
     man imagemagick

and you will get a list of individual programs included in this package.
Don't bother with the man page for eg convert, just type:

   convert -help

to get a brief list of how to use it.

Bob
-- 
In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!



From hvontres at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 19:00:27 2008
From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:00:27 -0800
Subject: Install problem QTparted
In-Reply-To: <4919D048.6020001@yahoo.it>
References: <4919C4C2.4070803@sbcglobal.net> <4919CBFD.20903@yahoo.it>
	<4919CDF9.7060305@sbcglobal.net> <4919D048.6020001@yahoo.it>
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it> wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to a recent posting, it appears that qtparted is a package
>>>> that can format my thumb drive.  Using Adept Package Manager I
>>>> installed qtparted.  Every indication was that it was successfully
>>>> installed.  It appears on Kmenu.  When I attempt to open it, the
>>>> cursor indicates that the computer is trying to open the package,
>>>> however, after a few moments that attempt ceases and the package
>>>> remains unopened.
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've had the same problem from time to time. My workaround is to start
>>> it from the console:
>>>
>>> kdesudo qtparted
>>>
>>> a password window pops up: insert your password
>>>
>>> and you get the program running.
>>> HTH,
>>> I.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks Ignazio, that worked great.  I have had similar problems with
>> other packages in the past.  Will that step work for all, do you think?
>
> I think that depends on the cause of the problem, but it's worth trying
> them from the command line; even if it doesn't work, you may get more
> informative error messages. It's better to try them without kdesudo
> first, because that would give the program superuser access, and it
> might cause problems.
> HTH,
> I.
>
>> Do I have to do it each time I try to open from Kmenu?
>> Cheers!
>> Steven
>>
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>


I just took a look at the menu entry, and I think the problem is that
it calls "qtparted-root" which does not exist. if you right-click on
the entry, you can choose "edit item" and change the command to
"kdesudo qtparted"

I'll file a bug on this when I get home tonight.


-- 
Henry von Tresckow (hvontres)



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 18:58:35 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:58:35 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
References: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
	<200811111231.52711.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <2004366.cdP6syXgyL@cedar.serverforest.com>

p.daniels wrote:

> On Tuesday November 11 2008 12:25:59 pm Richard wrote:
>> Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
>> compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
>> to deal with in a small office.
>>
>> I know, there are still working on the KDE,
>> but thought I would as the guru's of Kubuntu for the final word.
>>
>> if be the case, that its not there as of yet, then we may have to
>> to stay with Microsoft a little longer in the office.

Why?  Kubuntu 7.10 or 8.04 were both "ready" in the sense of being a
huge improvement over Windows.  Can you do everything you do on Windows?
Perhaps not - it depends what you need.   These days, though, I use
Windows because I have to verify my sites work on Windows, not because
there's anything on Windows I can't use elsewhere.
> 
> I personally dislike the whole "ready/not ready" paradigm. Ready for
> what? What do you need? What do you use computers for?

Yes, 8.10 is "ready", which isn't to say there aren't things that have
me tearing out my hair!
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 19:00:28 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:00:28 -0400
Subject: First Impressions of Kubuntu 8.10
References: <1617181.LdQraplHVZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <11939702.4GsH1KXJat@cedar.serverforest.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:

> 4) Konqueror, of course:

Aargh!  There's no kio_locate slave!  It never did work as it was
documented, but I _still_ used it a lot...
-- 
derek




From paul at lemmons.name  Tue Nov 11 19:08:27 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:08:27 -0700
Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <49137DBD.1060901@lemmons.name>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com> <490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>
	<200811051112.35687.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl>
	<49137DBD.1060901@lemmons.name>
Message-ID: <4919D82B.8010905@lemmons.name>

-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: Re:Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
From: Paul Lemmons <paul at lemmons.name>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 11/06/2008 04:29 PM

> -------- Original Message  --------
> Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
> From: Peter Klaassen <peterklaassen at quicknet.nl>
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: 11/05/2008 03:12 AM
>> Is there a way to level the volume for all your music files (mp3 and ogg)
>>
>>   
> This is a wonderful question. Thank you for asking it!
> 
> I have found that there (should) exist a script for Amarok called 
> ReplayGain and that this script should do exactly what you are asking.
> 
> There is a lengthy description here:
> 
> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ReplayGain?content=26073
> 
> I was able to: apt-get install  flac  vorbisgain   mp3gain vorbis-tools
> directly and I found a deb for the AACGain package here:
> 
> http://jopsen.dk/blog/2007/08/volume-normalization-with-amarok
> 
> I got to this point and felt that I only need enable the ReplayGain 
> script in the Amarok script manager but much to my dismay it is not 
> there! I was able to find all of the supporting programs but not the 
> piece that ties them into Amarok.
> 
> Anybody know where it might be obtained?
> 
> 

Just a quick update because I really did like this question. The 
download for the replaygain plug-in for Amarok is on the "kde-apps" link 
above. Just download it, and point the Amamrok script manager to the 
compressed archive that you downloaded and viola you have have 
everything you need to level your music. It actually works quite well.

-- 
Sometimes I wonder.  Were our faith able to stand upright and look 
around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe 
of the height and breadth of it.
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From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Tue Nov 11 19:11:14 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:11:14 +0000
Subject: OT: CLI against GUI 1-1 (Re: Backing up.)
In-Reply-To: <200811111324.26034.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>	<200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>	<f495db580811110945m75ea96e9j75028e5c6dbfc56@mail.gmail.com>
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Brendan wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>>>> I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
>>>> really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
>>>> have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)
>>> Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping
>>> that you're kidding.
>>>
>>> GUI = a life
>>> CLI = no life
>> LOL, I am not kidding. I have yet to see a CLI program that I could
>> use without reading a manual and setting it all up. There are lots of
>> GUI software out there that can do that. Sorry but it is true. If you
>> spend your life CLIing then it might be faster but for a newbie or
>> someone that does not want to deal with it, it is not.
>> Vim vs OpenOffice
>> firestarter VS iptables
>> Konq vs Links, bash and MC or so?
>> need I go on?
>> Spreadsheet vs APL?
>> Sorry but that is the way it is. It takes longer to learn to use the
>> CLI and when it is used seldom it is easier to forget what you need to
>> do.
> 
> Children use pictures, and when they grow up, they learn how to use words. You 
> are obviously still at the child stage. I don't blame you for that, you just 
> don't know what you are talking about.
> 
> Delete all jpg files in a directory.
> 
> Konq: Sort by filetype, scroll down...OH, I'm sorry, in a CLI, I just typed rm 
> -f *.jpg and I won.
> 
>



Pick three pictures from a dir with 100 files in it. You don't remember 
the names but remember more or less what they look like, oh, lo and 
behold, it's easier with a GUI and the preview!

Different tasks, different tools... who wins is immaterial, as soon as 
you can get the job done.
I.






From art.alexion at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 19:19:51 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:19:51 -0500
Subject: vm
In-Reply-To: <111120081806.7197.4919C9B0000DC87000001C1D22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCDC8C7970E040C9D0E0D@att.net>
References: <111120081806.7197.4919C9B0000DC87000001C1D22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCDC8C7970E040C9D0E0D@att.net>
Message-ID: <200811111419.51584.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008 1:06:41 pm barclay982 at bellsouth.net wrote:
> is there a recommended vm package for kubuntu?

I have had good luck with kvm.  It doesn't suffer the problems that vmware 
does every time it does a kernel update.  For it to work properly, your 
hardware has to support paravirtualization.

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From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 11 19:18:04 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:18:04 +1100
Subject: hot to compile pywvdial from source
Message-ID: <BLU143-W169F88197A4A96CD39A06DCD150@phx.gbl>


Does any one know how to install pywvdial as attached is the install file, and
dont quite understand as a newbie at Kubuntu
 
ray
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 19:12:07 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:12:07 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811111324.26034.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> wrote:
>> > On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>> >> I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
>> >> really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
>> >> have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)
>> >
>> > Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping
>> > that you're kidding.
>> >
>> > GUI = a life
>> > CLI = no life
>>
>> LOL, I am not kidding. I have yet to see a CLI program that I could
>> use without reading a manual and setting it all up. There are lots of
>> GUI software out there that can do that. Sorry but it is true. If you
>> spend your life CLIing then it might be faster but for a newbie or
>> someone that does not want to deal with it, it is not.
>> Vim vs OpenOffice
>> firestarter VS iptables
>> Konq vs Links, bash and MC or so?
>> need I go on?
>> Spreadsheet vs APL?
>> Sorry but that is the way it is. It takes longer to learn to use the
>> CLI and when it is used seldom it is easier to forget what you need to
>> do.
>
> Children use pictures, and when they grow up, they learn how to use words. You
> are obviously still at the child stage. I don't blame you for that, you just
> don't know what you are talking about.
>
> Delete all jpg files in a directory.
>
> Konq: Sort by filetype, scroll down...OH, I'm sorry, in a CLI, I just typed rm
> -f *.jpg and I won.

If I really wanted to show off I would challenge you to a contest to
see who could write the fastest flood fill in assemble but that would
be childish. Truth is you have no idea who you are insulting and you
are off topic.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Tue Nov 11 19:35:15 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:35:15 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811111112ree7c842y281f30d0f9f16f14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811111324.26034.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
	<f495db580811111112ree7c842y281f30d0f9f16f14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811111435.16044.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> 
wrote:
> >> > On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
> >> >> I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
> >> >> really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
> >> >> have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)
> >> >
> >> > Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping
> >> > that you're kidding.
> >> >
> >> > GUI = a life
> >> > CLI = no life
> >>
> >> LOL, I am not kidding. I have yet to see a CLI program that I could
> >> use without reading a manual and setting it all up. There are lots of
> >> GUI software out there that can do that. Sorry but it is true. If you
> >> spend your life CLIing then it might be faster but for a newbie or
> >> someone that does not want to deal with it, it is not.
> >> Vim vs OpenOffice
> >> firestarter VS iptables
> >> Konq vs Links, bash and MC or so?
> >> need I go on?
> >> Spreadsheet vs APL?
> >> Sorry but that is the way it is. It takes longer to learn to use the
> >> CLI and when it is used seldom it is easier to forget what you need to
> >> do.
> >
> > Children use pictures, and when they grow up, they learn how to use
> > words. You are obviously still at the child stage. I don't blame you for
> > that, you just don't know what you are talking about.
> >
> > Delete all jpg files in a directory.
> >
> > Konq: Sort by filetype, scroll down...OH, I'm sorry, in a CLI, I just
> > typed rm -f *.jpg and I won.
>
> If I really wanted to show off I would challenge you to a contest to
> see who could write the fastest flood fill in assemble but that would
> be childish. Truth is you have no idea who you are insulting and you
> are off topic.

Huh? This isn't a challenge or an insult, Mr Sensitive. I was making the point 
that many things can be achieved quickly and/or better via CLI. The same is 
true for a GUI. Someone else said the same thing.

The same is true for you. You have no idea who I am, or how dumb you look 
getting all hot and bothered on a mailing list with someone who isn't even 
challenging your "manliness". Calm yourself.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 19:50:36 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:50:36 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS? SOLVED!!
In-Reply-To: <4919D23D.7070903@lemmons.name>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
	<49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>	<491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>
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Paul Lemmons wrote:
> -------- Original Message  --------
> Subject: Re:How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention 
> that    can    be read in a Microsoft OS?
> From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: 11/11/2008 07:03 AM
>> Paul Lemmons wrote:
>>  
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>    
>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and 
>>>> receipt.  I went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb 
>>>> drive.  Their computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is 
>>>> there a program that converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that 
>>>> print in a Microsoft PC?  I only have a few days to comply, so 
>>>> thanks for considering this an important problem.  My gratitude in 
>>>> advance.
>>>> Steven
>>>>         
>>> Have it print to a pdf instead of ps.
>>>
>>> print->print to file  Output Format     * PDF  o Postscript
>>>     
>> That is what it says when I print, PDF.  But when the item copied 
>> shows up on the desktop, it is entered as mozilla.ps, and that is not 
>> recognized by Windows.  The only person who can help me has had many 
>> troubles with Mozilla on his computer.  When I tried to print th .ps 
>> file on his computer, the computer was redirected to a Microsoft site 
>> for unrecognized file types.  My friend did not want to download 
>> anything relating to Mozilla; his troubles were so great when he did 
>> that he just wouldn't do it.
>>
>>   
> The default for the PDF output should be in a directory in your home 
> directory named PDF. I have not seen it place the file on the desktop 
> before. Try again, selecting PDF as the output type and then look in 
> ~/PDF for the output. I do this all of the time so I know it will work.
>
Dear Paul,

Through the multiple of helpers, I have it fixed now.  Thanks for your 
contribution.
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 19:56:45 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:56:45 -0500
Subject: Install problem QTparted  RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <a7f8874a0811111100o8866737w6f6c9c89bfa75f33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4919C4C2.4070803@sbcglobal.net>
	<4919CBFD.20903@yahoo.it>	<4919CDF9.7060305@sbcglobal.net>
	<4919D048.6020001@yahoo.it>
	<a7f8874a0811111100o8866737w6f6c9c89bfa75f33@mail.gmail.com>
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Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it> wrote:
>   
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>     
>>> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Thanks to a recent posting, it appears that qtparted is a package
>>>>> that can format my thumb drive.  Using Adept Package Manager I
>>>>> installed qtparted.  Every indication was that it was successfully
>>>>> installed.  It appears on Kmenu.  When I attempt to open it, the
>>>>> cursor indicates that the computer is trying to open the package,
>>>>> however, after a few moments that attempt ceases and the package
>>>>> remains unopened.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> I've had the same problem from time to time. My workaround is to start
>>>> it from the console:
>>>>
>>>> kdesudo qtparted
>>>>
>>>> a password window pops up: insert your password
>>>>
>>>> and you get the program running.
>>>> HTH,
>>>> I.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Thanks Ignazio, that worked great.  I have had similar problems with
>>> other packages in the past.  Will that step work for all, do you think?
>>>       
>> I think that depends on the cause of the problem, but it's worth trying
>> them from the command line; even if it doesn't work, you may get more
>> informative error messages. It's better to try them without kdesudo
>> first, because that would give the program superuser access, and it
>> might cause problems.
>> HTH,
>> I.
>>
>>     
>>> Do I have to do it each time I try to open from Kmenu?
>>> Cheers!
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>       
>> --
>> kubuntu-users mailing list
>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>>
>>     
>
>
> I just took a look at the menu entry, and I think the problem is that
> it calls "qtparted-root" which does not exist. if you right-click on
> the entry, you can choose "edit item" and change the command to
> "kdesudo qtparted"
>
> I'll file a bug on this when I get home tonight.
>
>
>   
I am laughing right now and nothing is funny.  What a great day; I am 
learning so much and having such fun.  You have been such terrific 
help.  Thanks!!!!!!!!
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 20:03:09 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:03:09 -0500
Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
In-Reply-To: <4919D82B.8010905@lemmons.name>
References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>
	<490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>	<200811051112.35687.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl>	<49137DBD.1060901@lemmons.name>
	<4919D82B.8010905@lemmons.name>
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Paul Lemmons wrote:
> -------- Original Message  --------
> Subject: Re:Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
> From: Paul Lemmons <paul at lemmons.name>
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: 11/06/2008 04:29 PM
>
>> -------- Original Message  --------
>> Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
>> From: Peter Klaassen <peterklaassen at quicknet.nl>
>> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Date: 11/05/2008 03:12 AM
>>> Is there a way to level the volume for all your music files (mp3 and 
>>> ogg)
>>>
>>>   
>> This is a wonderful question. Thank you for asking it!
>>
>> I have found that there (should) exist a script for Amarok called 
>> ReplayGain and that this script should do exactly what you are asking.
>>
>> There is a lengthy description here:
>>
>> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ReplayGain?content=26073
>>
>> I was able to: apt-get install  flac  vorbisgain   mp3gain vorbis-tools
>> directly and I found a deb for the AACGain package here:
>>
>> http://jopsen.dk/blog/2007/08/volume-normalization-with-amarok
>>
>> I got to this point and felt that I only need enable the ReplayGain 
>> script in the Amarok script manager but much to my dismay it is not 
>> there! I was able to find all of the supporting programs but not the 
>> piece that ties them into Amarok.
>>
>> Anybody know where it might be obtained?
>>
>>
>
> Just a quick update because I really did like this question. The 
> download for the replaygain plug-in for Amarok is on the "kde-apps" 
> link above. Just download it, and point the Amamrok script manager to 
> the compressed archive that you downloaded and viola you have have 
> everything you need to level your music. It actually works quite well.
>
Assuming that there isn't even a marginally soft spot on this rock hard 
head of mine, could you translate the steps in a manner for Newbies that 
haven't quite got to the level of Newbie yet?  I understand if you don't 
have the time, but if you do, thank you in advance.  What a great day 
this is; believe it or not, I think the surface is starting to soften.

Steven/Rocky



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 20:05:09 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:05:09 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811111112ree7c842y281f30d0f9f16f14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>	<200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>	<f495db580811110945m75ea96e9j75028e5c6dbfc56@mail.gmail.com>	<200811111324.26034.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
	<f495db580811111112ree7c842y281f30d0f9f16f14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4919E575.1080207@sbcglobal.net>

Knapp wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>>     
>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
>>>>> really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
>>>>> have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)
>>>>>           
>>>> Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping
>>>> that you're kidding.
>>>>
>>>> GUI = a life
>>>> CLI = no life
>>>>         
>>> LOL, I am not kidding. I have yet to see a CLI program that I could
>>> use without reading a manual and setting it all up. There are lots of
>>> GUI software out there that can do that. Sorry but it is true. If you
>>> spend your life CLIing then it might be faster but for a newbie or
>>> someone that does not want to deal with it, it is not.
>>> Vim vs OpenOffice
>>> firestarter VS iptables
>>> Konq vs Links, bash and MC or so?
>>> need I go on?
>>> Spreadsheet vs APL?
>>> Sorry but that is the way it is. It takes longer to learn to use the
>>> CLI and when it is used seldom it is easier to forget what you need to
>>> do.
>>>       
>> Children use pictures, and when they grow up, they learn how to use words. You
>> are obviously still at the child stage. I don't blame you for that, you just
>> don't know what you are talking about.
>>
>> Delete all jpg files in a directory.
>>
>> Konq: Sort by filetype, scroll down...OH, I'm sorry, in a CLI, I just typed rm
>> -f *.jpg and I won.
>>     
>
> If I really wanted to show off I would challenge you to a contest to
> see who could write the fastest flood fill in assemble but that would
> be childish. Truth is you have no idea who you are insulting and you
> are off topic.
>
>   
Go get him Dougie.  What patience you have.
Steven



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 20:09:29 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:09:29 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <200811111435.16044.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811111324.26034.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
	<f495db580811111112ree7c842y281f30d0f9f16f14@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811111435.16044.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
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2008/11/11 Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com>:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Brendan <mailinglist at endosquid.com>
> wrote:
>> >> > On Monday 10 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
>> >> >> I not fraid of CLI or compiling or hard to set up stuff but I would
>> >> >> really like to have something full service, easy and gui, so I can
>> >> >> have a life. If I can't then I can't and will live with the CLI :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Oh God, if that isn't the most ignorant offensive thing...I am hoping
>> >> > that you're kidding.
>> >> >
>> >> > GUI = a life
>> >> > CLI = no life
>> >>
>> >> LOL, I am not kidding. I have yet to see a CLI program that I could
>> >> use without reading a manual and setting it all up. There are lots of
>> >> GUI software out there that can do that. Sorry but it is true. If you
>> >> spend your life CLIing then it might be faster but for a newbie or
>> >> someone that does not want to deal with it, it is not.
>> >> Vim vs OpenOffice
>> >> firestarter VS iptables
>> >> Konq vs Links, bash and MC or so?
>> >> need I go on?
>> >> Spreadsheet vs APL?
>> >> Sorry but that is the way it is. It takes longer to learn to use the
>> >> CLI and when it is used seldom it is easier to forget what you need to
>> >> do.
>> >
>> > Children use pictures, and when they grow up, they learn how to use
>> > words. You are obviously still at the child stage. I don't blame you for
>> > that, you just don't know what you are talking about.
>> >
>
> Huh? This isn't a challenge or an insult, Mr Sensitive. I was making the point
> that many things can be achieved quickly and/or better via CLI. The same is
> true for a GUI. Someone else said the same thing.

If someone called me a child i would take that as an insult.

> The same is true for you. You have no idea who I am, or how dumb you look
> getting all hot and bothered on a mailing list with someone who isn't even
> challenging your "manliness". Calm yourself.

As i understand all he sad was that if you don't use CLI all the time
so you know the tools and all it's parameters without reading the
manual then the GUI program is probably the better choice.

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 20:19:28 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:19:28 +0100
Subject: HAL problem!
In-Reply-To: <382748.11126.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <200811111156.26517.phantom21@mindspring.com>
	<382748.11126.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811111219j6f79acc7p6387a6c0d3eab5b8@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/11 cherryfinals <cherryfinals at yahoo.com>:
>
> When I powered back up, HAL is still loaded, but sleeping and neither my CD'DVD drive nor my thumb drive is recognized.
>
> After that, I shut it down. Got some sleep and figured I'd start fresh this morning. After a clean power up this morning:
>
> HAL is still not loading.
>
> One last bit of info:
>
> AMD 64bit CPU running Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE 3.5.10
> The primary hard drive with the OS is 320Gb
> The secondary (data) drive is 500Gb
> Konqueror shows the primary drive mounted and I can see all the data on the data drive, but if I try to click the icon in Konq, it says 'only available with HAL'.
>
> Any more ideas or should I break down and do another total rebuild of my primary drive?
>
> Stan [the deeply frustrated]
>

I would try purge the hal packages and perhaps udev to and then
install them again. Try  to start hal from a console to see if it
gives any error and check the log and dmesg for errors.

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 20:27:58 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:27:58 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
In-Reply-To: <200811111231.52711.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
	<200811111231.52711.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
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2008/11/11 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
> On Tuesday November 11 2008 12:25:59 pm Richard wrote:
>> Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
>> compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
>> to deal with in a small office.
>>
>> I know, there are still working on the KDE,
>> but thought I would as the guru's of Kubuntu for the final word.
>>
>> if be the case, that its not there as of yet, then we may have to
>> to stay with Microsoft a little longer in the office.
>>
>>
>> Thanks !!!
>> Richard
>
> I personally dislike the whole "ready/not ready" paradigm. Ready for what?
> What do you need? What do you use computers for?
>

And what programs are you using and depending on?

I have used 8.10 on my main desktop and it works for the most daily
tasks. Just after i installed it i had a lot of crashes in several
different programs but that has improved with the resent KDE and
kernel updates. If it was my work machine i would not upgrade if it
wasn't that i depend on some new versions of a program.

/ Jonas



From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 11 20:36:23 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:36:23 +1100
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <BLU143-W22423F1A849F042699DBEACD150@phx.gbl>


Does anyone know of an app that does birthday and event reminders that can be done
monthly/yearly  and holds sequentail dating like the windows reminder app??????
 
ray
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 20:42:04 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:42:04 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <4919E575.1080207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
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> Go get him Dougie.  What patience you have.
> Steven

LOL, can I take a minute out of our backing up to recommend 3 pillars
of zen? ;-)
As OP, I make a mistake and feed it. Lets keep talking about backing up.
Thanks all.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From rayburke30 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 11 20:42:35 2008
From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:42:35 +1100
Subject: Reminder Application
Message-ID: <BLU143-W374CBB8881F6EAF232EC37CD150@phx.gbl>


sorry the subject is reminders application for Kubuntu 
 ray



From: rayburke30 at hotmail.comTo: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com; kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.comSubject: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:36:23 +1100

Does anyone know of an app that does birthday and event reminders that can be donemonthly/yearly  and holds sequentail dating like the windows reminder app?????? ray



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From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Nov 11 20:46:51 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:46:51 +0000
Subject: ADSL modem problems
Message-ID: <4919EF3B.2000900@tiscali.co.uk>

Last week I decided to upgrade from Hardy to Intrepid (32-bit).  
Everything went as I expected (minor problems, 2 update/upgrade cycles, 
I use aptitude).  Then came the reboot.  Everything came up as it should 
except my modem.  I couldn't connect to the internet, even after 
reinstalling Hardy.  As this was the (crappy) USB modem my ISP supplies 
(and it doesn't do support for Linux), I took this as a sign to do what 
I've wanted to do for ages...  get a proper Ethernet modem (Netgear 
ADSL2+ DM111P).  No more firmware...  no more cobbled scripts to get 
on-line.  Wheee!!!

Except that it didn't work.  After 5 days without internet access, I 
called on a friend who had a friend who was a whizz-kid...  after much 
cursing and a change of cable, he managed to get the modem working using 
his laptop which was running Windows.  But still Kubuntu Hardy couldn't 
connect.  He installed Vista (shudder) on a spare hard drive and got me 
up and running.  Connects no problem.

I tried booting into Knoppix (5.3.1, the latest) and it saw the internet 
immediately.  I downloaded and burned the Kubuntu 8.10 64-bit live CD.  
Booting into that, it saw the internet immediately.  So I thought my 
problems were over.

Because of some technical reasons I didn't understand, both hard drives 
couldn't be connected at the same time.  So I swapped back to the 
Kubuntu HD and booted.  Still no internet access.

I'm tempted to install Intrepid and hope it sees the internet when not a 
Live CD.  Is this likely to work?  Or do I need some Magickal 
Incantation on the CLI to make it see the modem and internet????

Blessings

Wulfmann (currently in exile longing to come home...:@( )





From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 20:57:58 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:57:58 +0100
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W22423F1A849F042699DBEACD150@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W22423F1A849F042699DBEACD150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811111257qc9b5fdfof37f0598270d86fb@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/11 Ray Burke <rayburke30 at hotmail.com>:
> Does anyone know of an app that does birthday and event reminders that can
> be done
> monthly/yearly  and holds sequentail dating like the windows reminder
> app??????
>
> ray
>

If you want to go the KDE way you have korganizer with it's
korganizer-daemon that you can have autostart when logging in. I using
gmail and it's calendar and getting the reminders as emails.

/ Jonas



From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Tue Nov 11 21:05:57 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:05:57 -0500
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W22423F1A849F042699DBEACD150@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W22423F1A849F042699DBEACD150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200811111605.57439.mailinglist@endosquid.com>


Google Calendar.

On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Ray Burke wrote:
> Does anyone know of an app that does birthday and event reminders that can
> be done monthly/yearly  and holds sequentail dating like the windows
> reminder app??????
>
> ray
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov 11 21:09:32 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:09:32 -0600
Subject: Reminder Application
In-Reply-To: <BLU143-W374CBB8881F6EAF232EC37CD150@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU143-W374CBB8881F6EAF232EC37CD150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4919F48C.20000@swbell.net>

Ray Burke wrote:
> Does anyone know of an app that does birthday and event reminders that 
> can be done
> monthly/yearly  and holds sequentail dating like the windows reminder 
> app??????
>  
> ray


>
> sorry the subject is reminders application for Kubuntu 
>  ray
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com; kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject:
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:36:23 +1100
>
> Does anyone know of an app that does birthday and event reminders that 
> can be done
> monthly/yearly  and holds sequentail dating like the windows reminder 
> app??????
>  
> ray
I use KAlarm to remind me of things that happen every week or for a 
future date. Might give it a look

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr  Tue Nov 11 21:12:51 2008
From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:12:51 +0100
Subject: Intrepid. Desktop flashing on and off after login
Message-ID: <200811112212.53026.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>

You know how when you change the resolution, the desktop blacks out and then 
returns with the new resolution, perhaps with a click of a relay in the crt 
monitor, well I'm getting that continually, like a flashing neon sign.

I do get the same sort of behaviour with other distros on this machine, but is 
limited to one or two on and offs, then the desktop is stable.

I've just installed both Ubuntu 8.10, and Kubuntu 8.10, on this machine, so as 
to perhaps help with sound related problems with Intrepid. This is the 
desktop i386 version, but on 64 bit hardware.

When I boot Ubuntu, there are no problems as far as the GDM login screen. I 
login, then I get 2 or 3 on and offs, with clicks from a relay in the 
monitor, then the Gnome desktop displays ok, with no further problems.

When I boot Kubuntu, there are no problems as far as the KDM login screen, but 
when I login, the desktop opens, then blacks out, then opens, and blacks out 
ad infinitum. I perhaps get 3 or 4 secs of desktop, then I lose it, then a 
second or so later it comes back, accompanied by clicks from a relay in the 
monitor.

/etc/X11/xorg.conf has no specific settings in it, either on Ubuntu, or 
Kubuntu, and as dpkg -reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, does not appear to 
available anymore, i'm a bit stuck.

Any suggestions for a fix, no matter how wacky?

I'm currently downloading the post install updates for Kubuntu, and perhaps 
some update will resolve the problem, but I doubt it.

ironically the sound on both Ubuntu, and Kubuntu works fine with the hda intel 
card that is on this machine.

Nigel.






From cherryfinals at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 21:13:22 2008
From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:13:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: HAL problem!
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811111219j6f79acc7p6387a6c0d3eab5b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <356503.20144.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the feedback, Jonas. 

Just for a lark, I killed both the HAL services with Ksysguard and restarted. 

Everything is back to normal. 

I'm still scratching my head and trying to find out what is causing this erratic behavior. 

Stan

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt


--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: HAL problem!
> To: cherryfinals at yahoo.com, "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:19 PM
> 2008/11/11 cherryfinals <cherryfinals at yahoo.com>:
> >
> > When I powered back up, HAL is still loaded, but
> sleeping and neither my CD'DVD drive nor my thumb drive
> is recognized.
> >
> > After that, I shut it down. Got some sleep and figured
> I'd start fresh this morning. After a clean power up
> this morning:
> >
> > HAL is still not loading.
> >
> > One last bit of info:
> >
> > AMD 64bit CPU running Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE 3.5.10
> > The primary hard drive with the OS is 320Gb
> > The secondary (data) drive is 500Gb
> > Konqueror shows the primary drive mounted and I can
> see all the data on the data drive, but if I try to click
> the icon in Konq, it says 'only available with HAL'.
> >
> > Any more ideas or should I break down and do another
> total rebuild of my primary drive?
> >
> > Stan [the deeply frustrated]
> >
> 
> I would try purge the hal packages and perhaps udev to and
> then
> install them again. Try  to start hal from a console to see
> if it
> gives any error and check the log and dmesg for errors.
> 
> / Jonas
> 
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 21:36:55 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:36:55 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811111324.26034.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
	<f495db580811111112ree7c842y281f30d0f9f16f14@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811111435.16044.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
Message-ID: <1659192.361RzugM6s@cedar.serverforest.com>

Brendan wrote:

>> > Children use pictures, and when they grow up, they learn how to use
>> > words. You are obviously still at the child stage. I don't blame
>> > you for that, you just don't know what you are talking about.
> 
> Huh? This isn't a challenge or an insult, Mr Sensitive. 

Let's see.  You called him a child and told him to grow up (plus you
called his request for a GUI "the most ignorant offensive thing".  That
looks pretty insulting to me.

> The same is true for you. You have no idea who I am, 

No but we do know you like to feel superior over people who like to use
a GUI.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 11 21:42:50 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:42:50 -0400
Subject: Intrepid. Desktop flashing on and off after login
References: <200811112212.53026.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
Message-ID: <6134304.Al8iNEDGJR@cedar.serverforest.com>

Nigel Henry wrote:

> You know how when you change the resolution, the desktop blacks out
> and then returns with the new resolution, perhaps with a click of a
> relay in the crt monitor, well I'm getting that continually, like a
> flashing neon sign.

I was getting that on my external monitor - usually interspersed with pop-ups from the monitor itself saying "non-preselected mode", so I'd guess you are trying to use a modeline the monitor doesn't like.
> 
> I do get the same sort of behaviour with other distros on this
> machine, but is limited to one or two on and offs, then the desktop is
> stable.

That would be as it cycles through the available modes until it finds one that works.

> When I boot Ubuntu, there are no problems as far as the GDM login
> screen. I login, then I get 2 or 3 on and offs, with clicks from a
> relay in the monitor, then the Gnome desktop displays ok, with no
> further problems.

So GDM is using a valid mode (I've seen people complaining that GDM/KDM weren't using the same screen size as their desktop, so that doesn't surprise me).

All I can suggest is trying to find exactly the specs for the monitor are, and then using gtf to construct a modeline for that.
-- 
derek




From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 23:49:08 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:49:08 +0100
Subject: Intrepid. Desktop flashing on and off after login
In-Reply-To: <6134304.Al8iNEDGJR@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811112212.53026.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
	<6134304.Al8iNEDGJR@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811111549u30e49819mcbb592a5c9f53459@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/11 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> So GDM is using a valid mode (I've seen people complaining that GDM/KDM weren't using the same screen size as their desktop,
> so that doesn't surprise me).
>

Thats strange. Why would KDM/GDM override your setting in xorg.conf
and why should it change after you log in? If the X server is started
by KDM or with startx or xinit or just X they all use the same
xorg.conf. Do you have any more info regarding thous having that
problems?

/ Jonas



From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr  Tue Nov 11 23:56:44 2008
From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:56:44 +0100
Subject: Intrepid. Desktop flashing on and off after login
In-Reply-To: <6134304.Al8iNEDGJR@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811112212.53026.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
	<6134304.Al8iNEDGJR@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811120056.44364.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008 22:42, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Nigel Henry wrote:
> > You know how when you change the resolution, the desktop blacks out
> > and then returns with the new resolution, perhaps with a click of a
> > relay in the crt monitor, well I'm getting that continually, like a
> > flashing neon sign.
>
> I was getting that on my external monitor - usually interspersed with
> pop-ups from the monitor itself saying "non-preselected mode", so I'd guess
> you are trying to use a modeline the monitor doesn't like.
>
> > I do get the same sort of behaviour with other distros on this
> > machine, but is limited to one or two on and offs, then the desktop is
> > stable.
>
> That would be as it cycles through the available modes until it finds one
> that works.
>
> > When I boot Ubuntu, there are no problems as far as the GDM login
> > screen. I login, then I get 2 or 3 on and offs, with clicks from a
> > relay in the monitor, then the Gnome desktop displays ok, with no
> > further problems.
>
> So GDM is using a valid mode (I've seen people complaining that GDM/KDM
> weren't using the same screen size as their desktop, so that doesn't
> surprise me).
>
> All I can suggest is trying to find exactly the specs for the monitor are,
> and then using gtf to construct a modeline for that. --
> derek

Hi Derek. Thanks for the guidance. I borrowed the xorg.conf from Fedora 8 
that's on the same machine, and works fine. Using that one on Kubuntu 
Intrepid, the problem is resolved.

Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.

Nigel.



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 12 00:17:29 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:17:29 -0400
Subject: Intrepid. Desktop flashing on and off after login
References: <200811112212.53026.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
	<6134304.Al8iNEDGJR@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<b8d784880811111549u30e49819mcbb592a5c9f53459@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1279005.X2Md4dbD6b@cedar.serverforest.com>

Jonas Norlander wrote:

> 2008/11/11 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>> So GDM is using a valid mode (I've seen people complaining that
>> GDM/KDM weren't using the same screen size as their desktop, so that
>> doesn't surprise me).
>>
> 
> Thats strange. Why would KDM/GDM override your setting in xorg.conf
> and why should it change after you log in? If the X server is started
> by KDM or with startx or xinit or just X they all use the same
> xorg.conf. Do you have any more info regarding thous having that
> problems?

No, because it's never been an issue for me, but it's not a matter aiui of 
overriding X - it's just that if X has e.g. 800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200 
screen sizes defined, then it's possible to set the default size for the login 
manager to be different from the desktop.

In this case, then, Gnome may be trying to get a mode that isn't working 
correctly, even though GDM has a valid mode.  I _would_ have expected 
Gnome to try to cycle through all of them until it found the one GDM is 
using, though.
-- 
derek




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Wed Nov 12 01:50:19 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:50:19 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811111006l15caac91sc16d9428b9523c1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811111128.27309.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<f495db580811111006l15caac91sc16d9428b9523c1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811112050.19448.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Knapp wrote:
> One person uses tar (7zip is better) but that has no incremental
> backup features.

I use rsync which does a good job of keeping a mirror as a backup.  I have 
several machines in this house and backup each one nightly onto a 'sister' 
machine.   All automatically, all copies in sync.  Pretty easy to do.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Wed Nov 12 01:51:28 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:51:28 -0400
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <4919CAF9.2020207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811111245.30336.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<4919CAF9.2020207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811112051.28409.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> That's OK Bruce, but I still have a problem.  I am sure it is me.  Using
> Adept Package Manager, I type in imagemagik and nothing comes up.  Any
> ideas?

It's there on 8.04.   Don't know what's available on 8.10 but it should be 
there too.

In the adept PMGR  just type in image   and it should find it.



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 03:18:33 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:18:33 +1000
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
Message-ID: <491a4b09.1c78.b711eb90.54711520@blackpaw.dyndns.org>

On 8.10 adept search seems to be broken, it often brings up nothing at all.

command line works fine, i.e
  apt-cache search imagemagik

--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: convert mozilla.ps to html
From: Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com>
To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Date: 12/11/2008  1:57 AM

 On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote: 
> That's OK Bruce, but I still have a problem.  I am sure it is me.  Using 
> Adept Package Manager, I type in imagemagik and nothing comes up.  Any 
> ideas? 
 
It's there on 8.04.   Don't know what's available on 8.10 but it should be there too. 
 
In the adept PMGR  just type in image   and it should find it. 
 
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From mailinglist at endosquid.com  Wed Nov 12 03:52:00 2008
From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:52:00 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <1659192.361RzugM6s@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811111435.16044.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
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Message-ID: <200811112252.00284.mailinglist@endosquid.com>

> > The same is true for you. You have no idea who I am,
>
> No but we do know you like to feel superior over people who like to use
> a GUI.

Oh god, the violins! For shame!
I use a GUI often. I use a CLI often. Use the tool that's best for the job. 
You guys just want to fight. I'll leave you to that. This is my last reply to 
this thread.



From paul at lemmons.name  Wed Nov 12 05:18:28 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:18:28 -0700
Subject: vm
In-Reply-To: <111120081806.7197.4919C9B0000DC87000001C1D22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCDC8C7970E040C9D0E0D@att.net>
References: <111120081806.7197.4919C9B0000DC87000001C1D22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCDC8C7970E040C9D0E0D@att.net>
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From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Wed Nov 12 05:31:00 2008
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:31:00 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811111006l15caac91sc16d9428b9523c1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>	<200811110959.44141.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<3840761.BHQ3EceOT0@cedar.serverforest.com>	<200811111128.27309.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
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Message-ID: <491A6A14.2020302@gatech.edu>

Knapp wrote:
> Just to make sure I have the facts right.
> dar is the best CLI backup program and it can do incremental backups.
> 
> Amanda is in Kubuntu but comes in 3 parts and is hard to learn.
> 
> rdiff-backup is a hard to use CLI but is good and is in Kubuntu?

How is it hard to use?  I find it very intuitive, and the man pages
helpful.  However, there are GUIs including keep, which is in Ubuntu
repos (don't use it myself).

Matt Flaschen



From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Wed Nov 12 05:36:49 2008
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:36:49 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811110945m75ea96e9j75028e5c6dbfc56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811101417460.12409@mittens>	<f495db580811101407s27a1fbcdx8f2218c6ec8edc61@mail.gmail.com>	<200811101836.08311.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
	<f495db580811110945m75ea96e9j75028e5c6dbfc56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491A6B71.4090405@gatech.edu>

Knapp wrote:
> Konq vs Links, bash and MC or so?

Konqueror can't do the vast majority of what I do in shell, so there's
no contest.  This is true to some degree for most of your examples.  I
use the best tool for the job.  Sometimes that's GUI, sometimes it's
command-line.

Matt Flaschen



From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net  Wed Nov 12 06:15:23 2008
From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:15:23 -0800
Subject: vm
In-Reply-To: <491A6724.6030701@lemmons.name>
References: <111120081806.7197.4919C9B0000DC87000001C1D22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCDC8C7970E040C9D0E0D@att.net>
	<491A6724.6030701@lemmons.name>
Message-ID: <200811112215.23587.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008 09:18:28 pm Paul Lemmons wrote:
> barclay982 at bellsouth.net wrote:
> is there a recommended vm package for kubuntu?
>
>  barclay
>
>  I use both VirtualBox and VMWare Workstation. Both work admirably.

Does VMWare have write capability to CD/DVDs?  VirtualBox does not.

Larry



From paul at lemmons.name  Wed Nov 12 06:22:20 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:22:20 -0700
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491A761C.7080105@lemmons.name>

Knapp wrote:
> Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
> to start backing up my system.
> What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
> only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
> incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
> about it? What is the best software?
> Thanks from the backup stupid me.
>   
Looking for something myself I did a little poking around in Google and 
found a couple helpful pages:

Lists options with descriptions:
http://linux.about.com/od/softbackup/Linux_Software_Backup_Solutions.htm
http://www.foogazi.com/2008/02/25/free-linux-backup-solutions/

On the recommendation of the second link above I tried the "Simple 
Backup Suite"

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite

Simple GUI for setup, backup and restore. Scheduled backups. Incremental 
as well as full. So far it looks OK. I installed it, configured it and 
started my first backup in about 10 minutes.

That said, the backup has not finished and I have not tried to restore 
yet. I will report back tomorrow.
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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 07:09:27 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:09:27 +0200
Subject: Intrepid. Desktop flashing on and off after login
In-Reply-To: <1279005.X2Md4dbD6b@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811112212.53026.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
	<6134304.Al8iNEDGJR@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<b8d784880811111549u30e49819mcbb592a5c9f53459@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <15edeae40811112309i5b3aa2f6r49e765290cddf643@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/2008, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Jonas Norlander wrote:
>
> > 2008/11/11 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> >> So GDM is using a valid mode (I've seen people complaining that
> >> GDM/KDM weren't using the same screen size as their desktop, so that
> >> doesn't surprise me).
> >>
> >
> > Thats strange. Why would KDM/GDM override your setting in xorg.conf
> > and why should it change after you log in? If the X server is started
> > by KDM or with startx or xinit or just X they all use the same
> > xorg.conf. Do you have any more info regarding thous having that
> > problems?
>
> No, because it's never been an issue for me, but it's not a matter aiui of
> overriding X - it's just that if X has e.g. 800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200
> screen sizes defined, then it's possible to set the default size for the login
> manager to be different from the desktop.
>
> In this case, then, Gnome may be trying to get a mode that isn't working
> correctly, even though GDM has a valid mode.  I _would_ have expected
> Gnome to try to cycle through all of them until it found the one GDM is
> using, though.

i have a xorg.conf that i use from the days of gutsy. with each
upgrade, i slightly edit some of it's settings, but nothing major.
upon starting to use a new monitor at work i had to remove some of the
high resolutions with high refresh rates (home monitor supports them,
work monitor doesn't). but till now, even in intrepid and the
so-called bullet-proof X, without this xorg.conf, i get horrible
resolutions, horrible behaviours, etc... i tried to create a new
xorg.conf when i freshly installed intrepid alpha 4. it's just as what
happened when i tried the same experiment with hardy stable, and with
gutsy stable before. kdm uses a resolution different from KDE, and on
intrepid, it was even worse! if i move the mouse to the right bottom
corner of the screen, the whole screen moves, the bottom panel becomes
in the middle of the screen, as if the screen is actually bigger than
the monitor size and i'm scrolling in it. so yes, kdm and KDE (or gdm
abd GNOME) don't have to behave the same. my xorg.conf is the
most-backuped and treasured file i have on the system :-P

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From wayward4now at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 07:41:52 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:41:52 -0500
Subject: Konqueror rules, Dolphin must die
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811040152n3fdb7ae8i8be1b773e393048b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gek4ns$kcb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811031322l2d946fbbk401e9a81d9214ff5@mail.gmail.com>
	<490F7E18.2080400@swbell.net>
	<200811031750.50355.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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	<f495db580811040152n3fdb7ae8i8be1b773e393048b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226475712.7773.275.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 10:52 +0100, Knapp wrote:
> > Apparently OpenSuse will continue to package KDE 3.5 as an alternative:
> > http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/09/kde-in-opensuse-111-and-beyond/
> > I dont feel one bit like changing distro as I am using 2 Dell laptops
> > and they do work best with (K)Ubuntu but I might give it a try just to
> > see how it works
> >
> > Sinclair
> 
> I think this email goes to the core of the problem of making a default
> that is not yet ready to be the default software. I have at this point
> lost count of the number of people that have stated that they will try
> other distros. I am sure of lot of them have no intention of staying
> with the new distro and will come screaming back here to a familiar
> bed but some WILL leave and that weakens Kubuntu and Ubuntu brand in
> general. When the Devs start doing stuff that makes a bunch of the
> core posters try other Distros then something has gone VERY wrong. I
> too find my self in this boat. Stay and change to KDE4 in a year or
> else leave to something like Debian or maybe Sabayon.

This debate is the major reason I left the Fedora RPM-world and that was
about as emotionally unsettling as a divorce. I've been using RedHat
since it first came out. I personally know Bob Young. So, I can say I
was really invested there and KDE is my desktop of choice. Having 4.0
being thrust onto me was a show-stopper of a very serious sort. I use my
desktop for work ($$$), so beta-testing was completely out of the
question. I feel the same as you, forcing users to do things that might
harm them is never a great idea nor should it be taken lightly. Ric
-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
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From wayward4now at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 08:27:26 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:27:26 -0500
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226478446.7773.283.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>

On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 19:32 +0200, Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> 2008/11/7 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
> > On Friday November 7 2008 12:52:53 am Ali Milis wrote:
> >> $ export GIVEUP
> >>
> >> Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
> >> for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
> >> that sometimes work and often don't?!
> >>
> >> I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
> >> problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
> >> and laypeople
> >>
> >
> > You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I gave up on
> > Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier person today.
> >
> > best wishes-
> > pete
> >
> 
> i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
> KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI, and
> i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
> disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
> other crapware deserves to be abandoned!

I see plenty of problems reported with ATI as well, in gaming and doing
3D graphic design, in the user-group maillists. The nVidia users, like
myself, have no problems. I'm not sure what the beef is, but I do run an
older nVidia card, a 5700 with 1/2 meg of vram. I use the nVidia driver
installer using EnvyNG which works like a charm. When I used Fedora, I
just installed the nVidia supplied driver package manually. Using the
third party packagers I had problems. Major problems doing really tight
3D virtual environments. NVidia has been good for me, so I don't know
what problems the OP had. Ric

-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
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From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 08:26:31 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:26:31 +0200
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811111006l15caac91sc16d9428b9523c1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>	<200811110959.44141.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<3840761.BHQ3EceOT0@cedar.serverforest.com>	<200811111128.27309.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<f495db580811111006l15caac91sc16d9428b9523c1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491A9337.8000508@gmail.com>

Knapp wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
>>>> Ever take a look at Daromizer?   It run dar but it chops output into
>>>> nice pieces, to fit on DVD's or CD's or whatever.
>>> KDar does that too.  I'll have to look at Daromizer.
>> One thing Daromizer does is to run dar as a background task while it writes
>> the previous piece to media.  So once it gets rolling (past the first piece)
>> it gets to be pretty efficient.
> 
> So, is it true that there is no really good newbie friendly GUI based
> backup program in the whole of Kubuntu? This seems to me like a huge
> huge hole! Daromizer is not even in apt-get nor is Kdar.
> 
> Just to make sure I have the facts right.
> dar is the best CLI backup program and it can do incremental backups.
> 
> Amanda is in Kubuntu but comes in 3 parts and is hard to learn.
> 
> rdiff-backup is a hard to use CLI but is good and is in Kubuntu?
> 
> DVDisaster is really good for archiving CD or DVDs but is hard to use
> and must be used CLI to get the full usage that would be needed. It is
> not for doing backups but can work.
> 
> One person uses tar (7zip is better) but that has no incremental
> backup features.
> 
> kgpg to do a symmetrical encryption of the tar file save files in a
> private way with Kgpg.
> 
> Keeper is lame.
> 
> One other point by me. The very best reason to have a GUI is so that
> you can run a program that sets something complex up without having to
> read the manual. Setups are often only done one or less times a year;
> people forget CLI stuff faster than that. If you live the task then
> CLI can be better. The other end of the task is hopefully done less
> than one time decade, restoring what you lost. I would bet none of the
> CLI guys can do it without looking back to the manual. Newbies don't
> even know where the CLI manuals are!
> 
Just as an alternative: I use KBackup (find it at kde-apps) works very 
well but has 2 flaws: files over 4Gb is a problem (backup files that is) 
and there is no restore function. Backups can be restored of course but 
it is a manual cli thing to do so.

Sinclair



From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 08:29:27 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:29:27 +0100
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <491a4b09.1c78.b711eb90.54711520@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
References: <491a4b09.1c78.b711eb90.54711520@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811120029i44bc211bnae9a55772bd30af5@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/12  <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
> On 8.10 adept search seems to be broken, it often brings up nothing at all.
>
> command line works fine, i.e
>   apt-cache search imagemagik

It's imagemagick and it's in 8.10.

/ Jonas



From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 08:32:15 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:32:15 +0200
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
In-Reply-To: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
References: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491A948F.2020401@gmail.com>

Richard wrote:
> Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
> compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
> to deal with in a small office.
> 
> I know, there are still working on the KDE,
> but thought I would as the guru's of Kubuntu for the final word.
> 
> if be the case, that its not there as of yet, then we may have to
> to stay with Microsoft a little longer in the office.
> 
Something tells me you will get multitudes of replies on this one...
I face the same dilemma and my choice is KDE 3.5.10 and Kubuntu 8.04.1 . 
I can not see the Director (who likes to go FLOSS) struggle with 
semi-working PIM, apps not yet ported etc. I am afraid that would be the 
deathknell of the whole project that is likely to face resistance from 
"I am used to Windows and MS Office so why change" as it is.

I have some explaining to do that they will have to do a "xp to vista" 
transition later from KDE3 to KDE4. Note I mean the change in user 
interface, not that KDE4 will be the mess that we have found Vista to be.

good luck,
Sinclair



From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 08:51:47 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:51:47 +0200
Subject: Go-OO
Message-ID: <491A9923.5070404@gmail.com>

Has anyone tried this alternative to OpenOffice.org?
If so - what are your impressions and how did you install it?

Regards,
Sinclair



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 10:12:20 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:12:20 +0200
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1226478446.7773.283.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>
	<1226478446.7773.283.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/2008, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 19:32 +0200, Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> > 2008/11/7 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
> > > On Friday November 7 2008 12:52:53 am Ali Milis wrote:
> > >> $ export GIVEUP
> > >>
> > >> Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
> > >> for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
> > >> that sometimes work and often don't?!
> > >>
> > >> I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
> > >> problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
> > >> and laypeople
> > >>
> > >
> > > You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I gave up on
> > > Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier person today.
> > >
> > > best wishes-
> > > pete
> > >
> >
> > i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
> > KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI, and
> > i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
> > disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
> > other crapware deserves to be abandoned!
>
> I see plenty of problems reported with ATI as well, in gaming and doing
> 3D graphic design, in the user-group maillists. The nVidia users, like
> myself, have no problems. I'm not sure what the beef is, but I do run an
> older nVidia card, a 5700 with 1/2 meg of vram. I use the nVidia driver
> installer using EnvyNG which works like a charm. When I used Fedora, I
> just installed the nVidia supplied driver package manually. Using the
> third party packagers I had problems. Major problems doing really tight
> 3D virtual environments. NVidia has been good for me, so I don't know
> what problems the OP had. Ric
>

the problem is not with the installation. the proprietary nVidia
drivers provided in the repos install perfectly. but the problem is
with the lack of support for QT4 and KDE4 in general by these drivers.
are you using the proprietary drivers, Ric? are using them with KDE4?
if not, then you don't know about the problems i mentioned and suffer
from. but if yes, then tell me, how is the general look and feel of
KDE4? how many rendering glitches do you see per minute? quite a lot!
turn desktop effects on, and these bugs more than quadriple. nVidia is
aware of this, and that's why they provided the 177 beta driver
series. for KDE3, the 173 drivers are still useful, and envy
recommends them. but for KDE4, 173 are very very buggy, the 177 are a
bit better, but still, nVidia is not doing it's job well with
providing the necessary functionality.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From jussi.kekkonen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 10:48:13 2008
From: jussi.kekkonen at gmail.com (Jussi Kekkonen)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:48:13 +0200
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>
	<1226478446.7773.283.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
	<15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48cc00830811120248v126abbebk8fcfa358d4ab800b@mail.gmail.com>

sorry for replying in this ugly way but... can you point out how
nvidia is not working well with kde4/qt4 ? It works perfectly here by
any meters except minor bitmap buffer issue

On 11/12/08, Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/11/2008, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 19:32 +0200, Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>> > 2008/11/7 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
>> > > On Friday November 7 2008 12:52:53 am Ali Milis wrote:
>> > >> $ export GIVEUP
>> > >>
>> > >> Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
>> > >> for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
>> > >> that sometimes work and often don't?!
>> > >>
>> > >> I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
>> > >> problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
>> > >> and laypeople
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I
>> > > gave up on
>> > > Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier
>> > > person today.
>> > >
>> > > best wishes-
>> > > pete
>> > >
>> >
>> > i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
>> > KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI, and
>> > i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
>> > disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
>> > other crapware deserves to be abandoned!
>>
>> I see plenty of problems reported with ATI as well, in gaming and doing
>> 3D graphic design, in the user-group maillists. The nVidia users, like
>> myself, have no problems. I'm not sure what the beef is, but I do run an
>> older nVidia card, a 5700 with 1/2 meg of vram. I use the nVidia driver
>> installer using EnvyNG which works like a charm. When I used Fedora, I
>> just installed the nVidia supplied driver package manually. Using the
>> third party packagers I had problems. Major problems doing really tight
>> 3D virtual environments. NVidia has been good for me, so I don't know
>> what problems the OP had. Ric
>>
>
> the problem is not with the installation. the proprietary nVidia
> drivers provided in the repos install perfectly. but the problem is
> with the lack of support for QT4 and KDE4 in general by these drivers.
> are you using the proprietary drivers, Ric? are using them with KDE4?
> if not, then you don't know about the problems i mentioned and suffer
> from. but if yes, then tell me, how is the general look and feel of
> KDE4? how many rendering glitches do you see per minute? quite a lot!
> turn desktop effects on, and these bugs more than quadriple. nVidia is
> aware of this, and that's why they provided the 177 beta driver
> series. for KDE3, the 173 drivers are still useful, and envy
> recommends them. but for KDE4, 173 are very very buggy, the 177 are a
> bit better, but still, nVidia is not doing it's job well with
> providing the necessary functionality.
>
> --
> Willy K. Hamra
> Manager of Hamra Information Systems
> Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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>


-- 
Jussi Kekkonen



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 10:58:03 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:58:03 +0100
Subject: Go-OO
In-Reply-To: <491A9923.5070404@gmail.com>
References: <491A9923.5070404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811120258n146747fakfb1447b7a37b8634@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:51 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone tried this alternative to OpenOffice.org?
> If so - what are your impressions and how did you install it?
>
> Regards,
> Sinclair

What did you have in mind? Koffice? Abiword?


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 10:59:50 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:59:50 -0500
Subject: vm
In-Reply-To: <200811112215.23587.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>
References: <111120081806.7197.4919C9B0000DC87000001C1D22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCDC8C7970E040C9D0E0D@att.net>
	<491A6724.6030701@lemmons.name>
	<200811112215.23587.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811120259v32b072a1h35a1555ad0d7bed1@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Larry Hartman
<larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2008 09:18:28 pm Paul Lemmons wrote:
>> barclay982 at bellsouth.net wrote:
>> is there a recommended vm package for kubuntu?
>>
>>  barclay
>>
>>  I use both VirtualBox and VMWare Workstation. Both work admirably.
>
> Does VMWare have write capability to CD/DVDs?  VirtualBox does not.

and do either have sufficient USB capability for me to sync an iTouch
(which isn't handled by amarok).


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From girardhenri at free.fr  Wed Nov 12 11:05:16 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:05:16 +0100
Subject: Go-OO
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811120258n146747fakfb1447b7a37b8634@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491A9923.5070404@gmail.com>
	<f495db580811120258n146747fakfb1447b7a37b8634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491AB86C.6070305@free.fr>

I tried it : go oo
it couldn't install on vista crashed !
so i keep ooo


Knapp a écrit :
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:51 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Has anyone tried this alternative to OpenOffice.org?
>> If so - what are your impressions and how did you install it?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sinclair
>>     
>
> What did you have in mind? Koffice? Abiword?
>
>
>   





From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 11:06:36 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:06:36 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
In-Reply-To: <491A948F.2020401@gmail.com>
References: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com> <491A948F.2020401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811120306u35d9b6ddi8fd2618bac80fca2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:32 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com> wrote:
> Richard wrote:
>> Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
>> compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
>> to deal with in a small office.
>>
>> I know, there are still working on the KDE,
>> but thought I would as the guru's of Kubuntu for the final word.
>>
>> if be the case, that its not there as of yet, then we may have to
>> to stay with Microsoft a little longer in the office.
>>
> Something tells me you will get multitudes of replies on this one...
> I face the same dilemma and my choice is KDE 3.5.10 and Kubuntu 8.04.1 .
> I can not see the Director (who likes to go FLOSS) struggle with
> semi-working PIM, apps not yet ported etc. I am afraid that would be the
> deathknell of the whole project that is likely to face resistance from
> "I am used to Windows and MS Office so why change" as it is.
>
> I have some explaining to do that they will have to do a "xp to vista"
> transition later from KDE3 to KDE4. Note I mean the change in user
> interface, not that KDE4 will be the mess that we have found Vista to be.
>
> good luck,
> Sinclair

If  I faced this, I would recommend the office go to Ubuntu 8.10 and
then at some latter date you can show them that they can also install
KDE4 and change back and forth at sign on. Perhaps that is to much for
newbies at the office but I see no other answer now. Or as you say
start with kde3 but why? I have always hated Gnome but I booted into
the other day (8.04) and it was quite usable now.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From girardhenri at free.fr  Wed Nov 12 11:08:00 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:08:00 +0100
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>	<200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>	<4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>	<1226478446.7773.283.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
	<15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491AB910.6070509@free.fr>

I got ATI xpress 1200 and nvidia 9500
with ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 no problem if installing with envyng :)
8.04 works too well installing with restricted driver.

Willy Hamra a écrit :
> On 12/11/2008, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 19:32 +0200, Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>>     
>>> 2008/11/7 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
>>>       
>>>> On Friday November 7 2008 12:52:53 am Ali Milis wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> $ export GIVEUP
>>>>>
>>>>> Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
>>>>> for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
>>>>> that sometimes work and often don't?!
>>>>>
>>>>> I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
>>>>> problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
>>>>> and laypeople
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I gave up on
>>>> Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier person today.
>>>>
>>>> best wishes-
>>>> pete
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
>>> KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI, and
>>> i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
>>> disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
>>> other crapware deserves to be abandoned!
>>>       
>> I see plenty of problems reported with ATI as well, in gaming and doing
>> 3D graphic design, in the user-group maillists. The nVidia users, like
>> myself, have no problems. I'm not sure what the beef is, but I do run an
>> older nVidia card, a 5700 with 1/2 meg of vram. I use the nVidia driver
>> installer using EnvyNG which works like a charm. When I used Fedora, I
>> just installed the nVidia supplied driver package manually. Using the
>> third party packagers I had problems. Major problems doing really tight
>> 3D virtual environments. NVidia has been good for me, so I don't know
>> what problems the OP had. Ric
>>
>>     
>
> the problem is not with the installation. the proprietary nVidia
> drivers provided in the repos install perfectly. but the problem is
> with the lack of support for QT4 and KDE4 in general by these drivers.
> are you using the proprietary drivers, Ric? are using them with KDE4?
> if not, then you don't know about the problems i mentioned and suffer
> from. but if yes, then tell me, how is the general look and feel of
> KDE4? how many rendering glitches do you see per minute? quite a lot!
> turn desktop effects on, and these bugs more than quadriple. nVidia is
> aware of this, and that's why they provided the 177 beta driver
> series. for KDE3, the 173 drivers are still useful, and envy
> recommends them. but for KDE4, 173 are very very buggy, the 177 are a
> bit better, but still, nVidia is not doing it's job well with
> providing the necessary functionality.
>
>   





From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 11:09:33 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:09:33 +0200
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <48cc00830811120248v126abbebk8fcfa358d4ab800b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>
	<1226478446.7773.283.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
	<15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<48cc00830811120248v126abbebk8fcfa358d4ab800b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811120309w6194decfgb4b35c19771f4c3a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/2008, Jussi Kekkonen <jussi.kekkonen at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/12/08, Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 12/11/2008, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 19:32 +0200, Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> >> > 2008/11/7 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
> >> > > On Friday November 7 2008 12:52:53 am Ali Milis wrote:
> >> > >> $ export GIVEUP
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
> >> > >> for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
> >> > >> that sometimes work and often don't?!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
> >> > >> problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
> >> > >> and laypeople
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I
> >> > > gave up on
> >> > > Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier
> >> > > person today.
> >> > >
> >> > > best wishes-
> >> > > pete
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
> >> > KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI, and
> >> > i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
> >> > disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
> >> > other crapware deserves to be abandoned!
> >>
> >> I see plenty of problems reported with ATI as well, in gaming and doing
> >> 3D graphic design, in the user-group maillists. The nVidia users, like
> >> myself, have no problems. I'm not sure what the beef is, but I do run an
> >> older nVidia card, a 5700 with 1/2 meg of vram. I use the nVidia driver
> >> installer using EnvyNG which works like a charm. When I used Fedora, I
> >> just installed the nVidia supplied driver package manually. Using the
> >> third party packagers I had problems. Major problems doing really tight
> >> 3D virtual environments. NVidia has been good for me, so I don't know
> >> what problems the OP had. Ric
> >>
> >
> > the problem is not with the installation. the proprietary nVidia
> > drivers provided in the repos install perfectly. but the problem is
> > with the lack of support for QT4 and KDE4 in general by these drivers.
> > are you using the proprietary drivers, Ric? are using them with KDE4?
> > if not, then you don't know about the problems i mentioned and suffer
> > from. but if yes, then tell me, how is the general look and feel of
> > KDE4? how many rendering glitches do you see per minute? quite a lot!
> > turn desktop effects on, and these bugs more than quadriple. nVidia is
> > aware of this, and that's why they provided the 177 beta driver
> > series. for KDE3, the 173 drivers are still useful, and envy
> > recommends them. but for KDE4, 173 are very very buggy, the 177 are a
> > bit better, but still, nVidia is not doing it's job well with
> > providing the necessary functionality.
> >
> sorry for replying in this ugly way but... can you point out how
> nvidia is not working well with kde4/qt4 ? It works perfectly here by
> any meters except minor bitmap buffer issue
>

no problem.
*run dialog duplicating itself when triggered with alt+f2.
*any new window when opened, instead of seeing a blank window while it
loads, i see the contents of some other window for a couple of
seconds, before it loads it's own contents.
*switch to a different desktop, LOADS of lines and borders and
meaningless gibberish appears on the desktop until i move the mouse
over them.
for more info, visit these 3 links
http://forum.kde.org/showthread.php?tid=6971
http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA
http://userbase.kde.org/GPU-Performance#NVIDIA


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 11:13:27 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:13:27 +1000
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <48cc00830811120248v126abbebk8fcfa358d4ab800b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:48:13 pm Jussi Kekkonen wrote:
> sorry for replying in this ugly way but... can you point out how
> nvidia is not working well with kde4/qt4 ? It works perfectly here by
> any meters except minor bitmap buffer issue

Same here, very minor bitmap issues in the taskbar and I have full desktop 
effects on.

I did in Advanced Compositing Options turn "Direct Rendering" and "Use VSync 
off" and "Trilinear" to "Best Quality"

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 12 11:15:42 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:15:42 +0000
Subject: Go-OO
In-Reply-To: <491A9923.5070404@gmail.com>
References: <491A9923.5070404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811121115.43261.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2008, O. Sinclair wrote:
> Has anyone tried this alternative to OpenOffice.org?
> If so - what are your impressions and how did you install
> it?
>
> Regards,
> Sinclair

"by an anonymous user on Nov. 11, 2008

Who would want to use this Microsoft infested crap? I have 
nothing against Novell but they really pooped in their own 
backyard when they sided with Microsoft. Dont they realize 
nobody wants to infest open source with patent covenants 
and such obvious traps?"

http://ostatic.com/176859-blog/go-oo-a-lighter-faster-openoffice-with-extras

nepal.



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 11:40:23 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:40:23 +0200
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200811122113.27750.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
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On 12/11/2008, Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:48:13 pm Jussi Kekkonen wrote:
> > sorry for replying in this ugly way but... can you point out how
> > nvidia is not working well with kde4/qt4 ? It works perfectly here by
> > any meters except minor bitmap buffer issue
>
> Same here, very minor bitmap issues in the taskbar and I have full desktop
> effects on.
>
> I did in Advanced Compositing Options turn "Direct Rendering" and "Use VSync
> off" and "Trilinear" to "Best Quality"
>

lindsay, i have a geforce 7300LE with 256 MB of vram, and up to 512 MB.
i use these same settings, but the glitches are horrible :S

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 11:46:39 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:46:39 +0100
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
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2008/11/12 Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> *run dialog duplicating itself when triggered with alt+f2.
> *any new window when opened, instead of seeing a blank window while it
> loads, i see the contents of some other window for a couple of
> seconds, before it loads it's own contents.
> *switch to a different desktop, LOADS of lines and borders and
> meaningless gibberish appears on the desktop until i move the mouse
> over them.
> for more info, visit these 3 links
> http://forum.kde.org/showthread.php?tid=6971
> http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA
> http://userbase.kde.org/GPU-Performance#NVIDIA
>
>

Most of the problems with KDE4 and the nvidia driver is gone for me now.

* The terrible performance with plasma is now OK.
* The multiple krunner window have i not seen for some time now.
* Hug lag when switching desktop is now OK

The problems i still have is:
* When opening a new window i see the contest from some old/other window.
* 2D performance is not what you would expect on my computer (Xrender?)

Somewhere between the Intrepid beta and now most of the problem has
been sort out and i can use the desktop OK for most of my daily tasks.
I don't know if it's the KDE4, kernel or nvidia driver update or my
tweaking the settings that made it.

Besides the links you provided i find some help here:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=d9db35a22aae867ce021324f9921b0fe&f=14
(see the sticky notes).

I have a Asus nvidia 9600 (nVidia Corporation G94 [GeForce 9600 GT] (rev a1))

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 11:48:17 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:48:17 +0100
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
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2008/11/12 Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> On 12/11/2008, Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:48:13 pm Jussi Kekkonen wrote:
>> > sorry for replying in this ugly way but... can you point out how
>> > nvidia is not working well with kde4/qt4 ? It works perfectly here by
>> > any meters except minor bitmap buffer issue
>>
>> Same here, very minor bitmap issues in the taskbar and I have full desktop
>> effects on.
>>
>> I did in Advanced Compositing Options turn "Direct Rendering" and "Use VSync
>> off" and "Trilinear" to "Best Quality"
>>
>
> lindsay, i have a geforce 7300LE with 256 MB of vram, and up to 512 MB.
> i use these same settings, but the glitches are horrible :S
>

I think most of the bugfixes is with the 9x00 and 8x00 cards :-(

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 12:02:29 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:02:29 +0100
Subject: vm
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811120259v32b072a1h35a1555ad0d7bed1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <111120081806.7197.4919C9B0000DC87000001C1D22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCDC8C7970E040C9D0E0D@att.net>
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2008/11/12 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Larry Hartman
> <larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 11 November 2008 09:18:28 pm Paul Lemmons wrote:
>>> barclay982 at bellsouth.net wrote:
>>> is there a recommended vm package for kubuntu?
>>>
>>>  barclay
>>>
>>>  I use both VirtualBox and VMWare Workstation. Both work admirably.
>>
>> Does VMWare have write capability to CD/DVDs?  VirtualBox does not.
>
> and do either have sufficient USB capability for me to sync an iTouch
> (which isn't handled by amarok).
>

The Virtualbox from the repository don't have USB support. You can
download a version from the homepage that has USB support. But it uses
the deprecated /proc/bus/usb filesystem so you have to do some manual
editing to make it work.

/ Jonas



From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 12:53:54 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:53:54 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
In-Reply-To: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Richard <rick0009 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
> compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
> to deal with in a small office.
>

Hello,

I can only speak for myself, but Intrepid has been very problematic in my
laptop, and KDE4 lacks way too many things I used daily. After upgrading my
laptop I actually decided to continue using the same applications I always
used, but now under Gnome.

I run Kubuntu at work as well, and there I will wait *at least* for the next
release *buntu 9.04 before upgrading.

If you are running a small office, IMHO you should really stick with 8.04 as
that release is the long term support release.

kind regards,
-- 
Francisco
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From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 13:03:43 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:03:43 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
> to start backing up my system.
> What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
> only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
> incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
> about it? What is the best software?
> Thanks from the backup stupid me.
>

I use faubackup, which is a command line utility. It does incremental
backups to disk, hardlinking the files which are identical.
Configuring it requires editing a text file, but all options seemed to me to
be rather straightforward.

So you can always browse the backup image you have using the shell or GUI.

The best way to get stuff to be backed up in time intervals is to use cron.

HTH,
-- 
Francisco
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From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 13:09:50 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:09:50 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:

> Jonas Norlander wrote:
>
> > 2008/11/11 Robert Parker <rlp1938 at gmail.com>:
> >> Using a GUI for a repetitive task with parameters that don't change
> >> is just doing it the hard way. For such tasks the CLI is just so much
> >> easier. Morover it's more reliable. Why would you want a GUI?
> >
> > You sure dont need a GUI for the backups but i think that a GUI for
> > the setup, configuration and most of all if you want to restore
> > something. Browsing the backups sorted by different criteria, see
> > diff's of files side by side, do searching... Thats some of the reason
> > when i would love to have a GUI when working with backups.
>
> The best backup system for KDE, ever, was KDar.  I still use it, even
> though it's been out of Kubuntu since Feisty.  KDar is just the GUI for dar,
> but nobody in their right mind would try to set up a backup system using dar
> directly.
>

:-)

Actually I did that for a long time (using dar directly).

I stoped using it when I found faubackup, which is much, much simpler, and
has the advantage that all your files area available directly instead of a
".dar.[0-9]" file.

Faubackup actually presents you with a complete view of all your files, at
any backup point and allows the space-saving incremental backup feature at
the same time due to hard linking. (note that I guess Dar does a diff
between different versions of a file, while faubackup just adds a new copy
for the new version of the file)

Cheers,
-- 
Francisco
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 13:58:53 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:58:53 -0500
Subject: vm
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On Wednesday 12 November 2008 7:02:29 am Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/12 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Larry Hartman
> >
> > <larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net> wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 11 November 2008 09:18:28 pm Paul Lemmons wrote:
> >>> barclay982 at bellsouth.net wrote:
> >>> is there a recommended vm package for kubuntu?
> >>>
> >>>  barclay
> >>>
> >>>  I use both VirtualBox and VMWare Workstation. Both work admirably.
> >>
> >> Does VMWare have write capability to CD/DVDs?  VirtualBox does not.
> >
> > and do either have sufficient USB capability for me to sync an iTouch
> > (which isn't handled by amarok).
>
> The Virtualbox from the repository don't have USB support. You can
> download a version from the homepage that has USB support. But it uses
> the deprecated /proc/bus/usb filesystem so you have to do some manual
> editing to make it work.
>
Thanks, Jonas, I'll give it a try.


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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 12 14:24:31 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:24:31 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
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Brendan wrote:
>>> The same is true for you. You have no idea who I am,
>>>       
>> No but we do know you like to feel superior over people who like to use
>> a GUI.
>>     
>
> Oh god, the violins! For shame!
> I use a GUI often. I use a CLI often. Use the tool that's best for the job. 
> You guys just want to fight. I'll leave you to that. This is my last reply to 
> this thread.
>
>   
I can see that [Re: Backing up] could easily be a topic for a backing-up 
problem.

Each day I read the many emails from people with problems.  I am happy 
when I can help, because I have been helped so many times.  I receive 
knowledge when I read the solution for a problem I have yet to 
encounter.  As a result, this 'Help and User Discussions' has become my 
favorite source of giving and receiving Kubuntu resources.

This post hasn't worked the 'backing-up problem' very much for quite a 
while.  It is damaging this forum.  Most postings do two things for me, 
they educate, and they make me feel good.  The latter is a little gift 
that is not necessarily the intent of the resource, nonetheless, it is 
the best part of the offering to me.  It touches me to see people 
helping people selflessly.  I sometimes wish we lived in the same 
community so that the friendships we feel could be more personal.  
Unfortunately, email is a way to never conclude an argument, and in this 
case so impersonal. 

For a while I have been deleting, without reading this post subject.  
But what happens to the unsuspecting person who needs help with a 
back-up problem, when people who don't want to read or join the argument 
start deleting without reading the post.  Innocents are hurt and the 
forum's great strength weakened. 

I am not the brightest bulb on the tree, in fact, I am sure that each of 
you who can't get along are far beyond me in intelligence.  But I can 
see that no one is helped by the content of this post anymore, while 
those who have back-up problems are being hurt.

I apologize if I offend anyone with my comments.  I just love this 
source and don't want it to get damaged.

Cordially,

Shabakthanai



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 12 14:31:51 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:31:51 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
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Brendan wrote:

>> > The same is true for you. You have no idea who I am,
>>
>> No but we do know you like to feel superior over people who like to
>> use a GUI.
> 
> Oh god, the violins! For shame!
> I use a GUI often. I use a CLI often. Use the tool that's best for the
> job. You guys just want to fight. I'll leave you to that. This is my
> last reply to this thread.

Thankfully.  I don't care which you use, I just object to people like
you insulting people because they want a nice GUI - and then claiming
you never insulted anybody.  An apology would be much more appropriate
than righteous indignation.
-- 
derek




From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 14:49:22 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:49:22 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
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2008/11/12 Francisco Borges <francisco.borges at gmail.com>:
> I stoped using it when I found faubackup, which is much, much simpler, and
> has the advantage that all your files area available directly instead of a
> ".dar.[0-9]" file.
>
> Faubackup actually presents you with a complete view of all your files, at
> any backup point and allows the space-saving incremental backup feature at
> the same time due to hard linking. (note that I guess Dar does a diff
> between different versions of a file, while faubackup just adds a new copy
> for the new version of the file)
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Francisco

I can see that Faubackup and hard links can be good specially when
needed to save memory but the problem with hard links is that you
can't link to other partitions or drives so you are forced to store
the backup to same media you backing up. Which kind of destroying the
whole purpose of a backup.

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 14:51:15 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:51:15 +0100
Subject: vm
In-Reply-To: <200811120859.01353.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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2008/11/12 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Wednesday 12 November 2008 7:02:29 am Jonas Norlander wrote:
>> 2008/11/12 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
>> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Larry Hartman
>> >
>> > <larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net> wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday 11 November 2008 09:18:28 pm Paul Lemmons wrote:
>> >>> barclay982 at bellsouth.net wrote:
>> >>> is there a recommended vm package for kubuntu?
>> >>>
>> >>>  barclay
>> >>>
>> >>>  I use both VirtualBox and VMWare Workstation. Both work admirably.
>> >>
>> >> Does VMWare have write capability to CD/DVDs?  VirtualBox does not.
>> >
>> > and do either have sufficient USB capability for me to sync an iTouch
>> > (which isn't handled by amarok).
>>
>> The Virtualbox from the repository don't have USB support. You can
>> download a version from the homepage that has USB support. But it uses
>> the deprecated /proc/bus/usb filesystem so you have to do some manual
>> editing to make it work.
>>
> Thanks, Jonas, I'll give it a try.
>

The solution to  make it work is in there FAQ if i remember right.

/ Jonas



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 12 14:45:17 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:45:17 -0400
Subject: Backing up.
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811111435.16044.mailinglist@endosquid.com>
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Steven Vollom wrote:

> I apologize if I offend anyone with my comments.  I just love this
> source and don't want it to get damaged.

Don't worry about it.  Threads wander, tempers flare, and the list
continues.  It's not even true that the thread hasn't been about
backing up for a long time - we're still discussing various backup
methods, but it's really pointless to worry that somebody will come
into the middle of the thread and not find anything about backups.  You
just can't do that, and newbies have to learn to use Google or other archives to find the beginnings of threads.
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 12 15:24:26 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:24:26 -0500
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <1699753.vDblfW7toU@cedar.serverforest.com>
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Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> I apologize if I offend anyone with my comments.  I just love this
>> source and don't want it to get damaged.
>>     
>
> Don't worry about it.  Threads wander, tempers flare, and the list
> continues.  It's not even true that the thread hasn't been about
> backing up for a long time - we're still discussing various backup
> methods, but it's really pointless to worry that somebody will come
> into the middle of the thread and not find anything about backups.  You
> just can't do that, and newbies have to learn to use Google or other archives to find the beginnings of threads.
>   
Thanks!



From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 15:43:14 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:43:14 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com>wrote:

> 2008/11/12 Francisco Borges <francisco.borges at gmail.com>:
> > I stoped using it when I found faubackup, which is much, much simpler,
> and
> > has the advantage that all your files area available directly instead of
> a
> > ".dar.[0-9]" file.
> >
> > Faubackup actually presents you with a complete view of all your files,
> at
> > any backup point and allows the space-saving incremental backup feature
> at
> > the same time due to hard linking. (note that I guess Dar does a diff
> > between different versions of a file, while faubackup just adds a new
> copy
> > for the new version of the file)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Francisco
>
> I can see that Faubackup and hard links can be good specially when
> needed to save memory but the problem with hard links is that you
> can't link to other partitions or drives so you are forced to store
> the backup to same media you backing up. Which kind of destroying the
> whole purpose of a backup.


No, no, no.... no, no!

:-)

There are no hard-links to the original media. The hard links are created
between the different backups.

There are a bunch of hard-links between the different (full) backups you
make, so although you actually have (from a file system standpoint) a view
of each backup as a full backup, you only spend the space on disk once.

sorry if I was unclear.

cheers,
-- 
Francisco
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From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 15:56:14 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:56:14 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
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2008/11/12 Francisco Borges <francisco.borges at gmail.com>:
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> 2008/11/12 Francisco Borges <francisco.borges at gmail.com>:
>> > I stoped using it when I found faubackup, which is much, much simpler,
>> > and
>> > has the advantage that all your files area available directly instead of
>> > a
>> > ".dar.[0-9]" file.
>> >
>> > Faubackup actually presents you with a complete view of all your files,
>> > at
>> > any backup point and allows the space-saving incremental backup feature
>> > at
>> > the same time due to hard linking. (note that I guess Dar does a diff
>> > between different versions of a file, while faubackup just adds a new
>> > copy
>> > for the new version of the file)
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > --
>> > Francisco
>>
>> I can see that Faubackup and hard links can be good specially when
>> needed to save memory but the problem with hard links is that you
>> can't link to other partitions or drives so you are forced to store
>> the backup to same media you backing up. Which kind of destroying the
>> whole purpose of a backup.
>
> No, no, no.... no, no!
>
> :-)
>
> There are no hard-links to the original media. The hard links are created
> between the different backups.
>
> There are a bunch of hard-links between the different (full) backups you
> make, so although you actually have (from a file system standpoint) a view
> of each backup as a full backup, you only spend the space on disk once.
>
> sorry if I was unclear.
>

Don't worry!

Then i understand.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 12 16:09:56 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:09:56 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
Message-ID: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>

Soon I will install an OS in my new computer.  It is 64 bit.  I have 
been advised that Ubuntu Intrepid is more stable than Kubuntu Intrepid.  
Do they contain the same features?  Would you choose Ubuntu or Kubuntu 
Intrepid?  Thanks!

It is a little thing, however I prefer the Kubuntu Desktop appearance 
better, but that is not as important as functionality and ease of 
configuration.

My new equipment consists of the following, in case that makes a 
difference in the stability of the OS or ease of configuration:

AMD 9600 Quad core, ASUS Mempipe Motherboard, 8gb Axiom ECC DDR2, 2 each 
Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.  The motherboard has Gforce 8400 video on board 
and 8 channel sound that I plan to use for now.  I plan on using my 
existing printer, Epson Stylus Photo 825.  Additionally, I will install 
my current Sony DVDRW and Toshiba DVDrom. 




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 12 16:52:42 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:52:42 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> Soon I will install an OS in my new computer.  It is 64 bit.  I have
> been advised that Ubuntu Intrepid is more stable than Kubuntu
> Intrepid.
> Do they contain the same features?  Would you choose Ubuntu or Kubuntu
> Intrepid?  Thanks!

I can't decide whether that's more likely to get an accurate answer here
or on the Ubuntu-Users list.  

They're likely to tell you that Ubuntu is better than Kubuntu, anyway. 
otoh, here, many are likely to tell you that Kubuntu 8.10 has gone 
downhill.

Between Ubuntu & Kubuntu 8.04, Kubuntu is the hands-down winner.  8.10 
has introduced KDE4 and for those of us used to KDE3, it's going to be a 
learning curve.  otoh, if you don't know KDE at all, I'd suggest you're 
readier for KDE4 than many of us!

The non-GUI parts of Ubuntu are the same for all flavors of the distro.

-- 
derek




From paul at lemmons.name  Wed Nov 12 17:24:47 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:24:47 -0700
Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
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References: <490F973F.20201@gmail.com>	<490F9BCC.9090903@gmail.com>	<200811051112.35687.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl>	<49137DBD.1060901@lemmons.name>	<4919D82B.8010905@lemmons.name>
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-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: Re:Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 11/11/2008 01:03 PM
> Paul Lemmons wrote:
>   
>> -------- Original Message  --------
>> Subject: Re:Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
>> From: Paul Lemmons <paul at lemmons.name>
>> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Date: 11/06/2008 04:29 PM
>>
>>     
>>> -------- Original Message  --------
>>> Subject: Audio level  was Re: Burning CD
>>> From: Peter Klaassen <peterklaassen at quicknet.nl>
>>> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>> Date: 11/05/2008 03:12 AM
>>>       
>>>> Is there a way to level the volume for all your music files (mp3 and 
>>>> ogg)
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>         
>>> This is a wonderful question. Thank you for asking it!
>>>
>>> I have found that there (should) exist a script for Amarok called 
>>> ReplayGain and that this script should do exactly what you are asking.
>>>
>>> There is a lengthy description here:
>>>
>>> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ReplayGain?content=26073
>>>
>>> I was able to: apt-get install  flac  vorbisgain   mp3gain vorbis-tools
>>> directly and I found a deb for the AACGain package here:
>>>
>>> http://jopsen.dk/blog/2007/08/volume-normalization-with-amarok
>>>
>>> I got to this point and felt that I only need enable the ReplayGain 
>>> script in the Amarok script manager but much to my dismay it is not 
>>> there! I was able to find all of the supporting programs but not the 
>>> piece that ties them into Amarok.
>>>
>>> Anybody know where it might be obtained?
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Just a quick update because I really did like this question. The 
>> download for the replaygain plug-in for Amarok is on the "kde-apps" 
>> link above. Just download it, and point the Amamrok script manager to 
>> the compressed archive that you downloaded and viola you have have 
>> everything you need to level your music. It actually works quite well.
>>
>>     
> Assuming that there isn't even a marginally soft spot on this rock hard 
> head of mine, could you translate the steps in a manner for Newbies that 
> haven't quite got to the level of Newbie yet?  I understand if you don't 
> have the time, but if you do, thank you in advance.  What a great day 
> this is; believe it or not, I think the surface is starting to soften.
>
> Steven/Rocky
>
>   
Hey, don't give up. You keep banging your head against the wall it will 
soften eventually :)

Ok... hmmm where to start...

Valuable Links:

http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ReplayGain?content=26073
http://jopsen.dk/blog/2007/08/volume-normalization-with-amarok


The way this thing works is that each files must be scanned to see what 
its volume-level/gain is and some value assigned to it. Now there are a 
lot of different ways music can be encoded so there are a number of 
tools you need to build these values for each file type. From the first 
link above you can see the "dependencies" are:


      - /flac/
      /- vorbisgain/
      /- aacgain/
      /- mp3gain/
      /- replaygain/
      /- mplayer/


To get these utilities installed you will need to use a combination of 
apt-get and dpkg commands.

The easy ones are:

sudo apt-get install flac vorbisgain vorbis-tools mp3gain

For mplayer I would suggest you install the Medibuntu repositories. Take 
a look at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu. Once you have 
that done install mplayer:

sudo apt-get install mplayer

If you have any aac encoded music you will also need to go to the second 
link and download the aacgain install package. Then install it using 
dpkg. The command will look something like:

sudo dpkg -i aacgain_1.7-1_i386.deb

Now we have all of the supporting tools. We need to go get the Amarok 
plugin. Again on the first link above you will find a download link. It 
is located at the bottom of the descriptive text and is not very 
obvious. I missed it the first time I looked. Download the file. It will 
be something like:

26073-replaygain.amarokscript.tar.bz2

Now open Amarok and click on Tools->Script manager. One of the options 
will be to Install. Click on it and navigate to the file you downloaded. 
You do not have to decompress it first. In fact, do not decompress it 
first. When you have installed the script it will show up in the list in 
the script manager dialog. Select it and click on the "Run" button.

You have now installed everything you need. Now you need to have it scan 
you music. Right click on any song in your play list. You will see an 
option to "Apply ReplayGain tags". Select that and then select "Entire 
collection by album" and go get a cup of coffee. When it done you will 
be set. Now when you play your music the volume levels will 
automatically be adjusted so that you have a smooth music listening 
experience :)

I hope this helps. If not, please continue to ask questions.

-- 
Sometimes I wonder.  Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it.

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From almilis at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 17:45:44 2008
From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:45:44 +0700
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
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References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
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PLEASE DO NOT GET ME WRONG:

I gave up to PREACH kubuntu, not gave up to USE it.

However simple it looks, kubuntu is simply not simple enough
for ordinary XP users.

-- 
Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis
Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/
Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/



From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org  Wed Nov 12 17:52:39 2008
From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:52:39 -0800
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <4919CAF9.2020207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811111245.30336.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<4919CAF9.2020207@sbcglobal.net>
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On Tuesday 11 November 2008 10:12:09 am Steven Vollom wrote:
> Bruce Marshall wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >>  I looked in Adept Package Manager for imagmagik and nothing came
> >> up.  Am I typing in the correct spelling?  Thanks for the help friend.
> >> I will post a resolved if it prints.
> >
> > My bad...   It's imagemagik
>
> That's OK Bruce, but I still have a problem.  I am sure it is me.  Using
> Adept Package Manager, I type in imagemagik and nothing comes up.  Any
> ideas?

Actually guys, you are still spelling it wrong!  It is Imagemagick in the 
Synaptic package manager!

-- 
73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n><   PDGA# 35276
http://the-inner-circle.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr



From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org  Wed Nov 12 18:00:53 2008
From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:00:53 -0800
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
In-Reply-To: <f950edef0811120453m39fa0f50tfe09578d02402f7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
	<f950edef0811120453m39fa0f50tfe09578d02402f7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811121000.54057.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>

On Wednesday 12 November 2008 4:53:54 am Francisco Borges wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Richard <rick0009 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
> > compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
> > to deal with in a small office.
>
> If you are running a small office, IMHO you should really stick with 8.04
> as that release is the long term support release.

Yes, it would seem to me that if you were to use a reliable distro in the 
office it should at leas be a LTS release.  Other wise you would be updating 
your office software every six months, which to me would not be a wise thing 
to do for a smooth running office!  

-- 
73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n><   PDGA# 35276
http://the-inner-circle.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 18:13:32 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:13:32 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811121013w48c1db38ld50998877035201b@mail.gmail.com>

I would agree with what has been said here.
I would add that you can run both on the same computer and see what
YOU like. It is no problem at all to do this. You can also run them
both from a live CD but it will run much slower so don't let the speed
be a factor for you when you test this way.
A second factor is what do you use your computer for?
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 12 18:34:38 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:34:38 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
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Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> Soon I will install an OS in my new computer.  It is 64 bit.  I have
>> been advised that Ubuntu Intrepid is more stable than Kubuntu
>> Intrepid.
>> Do they contain the same features?  Would you choose Ubuntu or Kubuntu
>> Intrepid?  Thanks!
>>     
>
> I can't decide whether that's more likely to get an accurate answer here
> or on the Ubuntu-Users list.  
>
> They're likely to tell you that Ubuntu is better than Kubuntu, anyway. 
> otoh, here, many are likely to tell you that Kubuntu 8.10 has gone 
> downhill.
>
> Between Ubuntu & Kubuntu 8.04, Kubuntu is the hands-down winner.  8.10 
> has introduced KDE4 and for those of us used to KDE3, it's going to be a 
> learning curve.  otoh, if you don't know KDE at all, I'd suggest you're 
> readier for KDE4 than many of us!
>
> The non-GUI parts of Ubuntu are the same for all flavors of the distro.
>
>   
I am confused.  Aren't they basically the same?  What I heard was that 
Kubuntu had more configuration problems.  Doesn't Ubuntu use KDE?  I 
tried 8.10 a while back but found it too difficult for me to handle 
KDE4, but now I am changing to 64 bit and AMD quad, and I heard that 64 
bit was a necessity and Ubuntu stabler than Kubuntu.  I am currently 
using Hardy.  With my new computer, I would like to make the best first 
install, so that all the little hidden files that  I never am aware of, 
come from the better first install; I am not sure if that matters, it is 
just a thought.  When I have formatted a Hard Drive, there is always 
something left on the drive.  I don't know what it is, but I don't want 
it to be the lesser of two OS's with stuff I can't get rid of.  About 
the Ubuntu users list.  Is it like this list, where we receive emails 
and post on emails?

I have only ever used Kubuntu.  Initially, not knowing the difference, I 
just chose the most attractive.  I liked the Blue rather than warm color 
Desktop.  Not much of a reason to make the choice, but also it was the 
newer work.

By the way, my new motherboard is an ASUS Mempipe board.  It has 
Crossfire and SLI technology onboard and the ability to handle all the 
benefits of my processor.  Do you know if Kubuntu or Ubuntu has worked 
the SLI problem?  I think only Vista can work with it in Microsoft.  I 
don't have the absolute cutting edge for components, but I am not far 
off.  So, I want to make the right decision for OS. TIA.

Steven



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 18:41:07 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:41:07 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
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On Wednesday 12 November 2008 1:34:38 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> Doesn't Ubuntu use KDE?

No. Ubuntu uses gnome.
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Wed Nov 12 18:55:18 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:55:18 -0600
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
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Pastor JW wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 November 2008 4:53:54 am Francisco Borges wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Richard <rick0009 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
>>> compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
>>> to deal with in a small office.
>>>       
>> If you are running a small office, IMHO you should really stick with 8.04
>> as that release is the long term support release.
>>     
>
> Yes, it would seem to me that if you were to use a reliable distro in the 
> office it should at leas be a LTS release.  Other wise you would be updating 
> your office software every six months, which to me would not be a wise thing 
> to do for a smooth running office!  
>
>   
In my own personal experience if the updates are done in the middle of 
the night 99.9999999......%  of the people using the machines would 
never know there was an update. Once in a great while there might be a 
problem, but.........

The one exception I have is from 8.04 to 8.10. AND, that's only because 
of the change to KDE 4. In my previous three updates [ 7.04, 7.10, 8.04 
] I couldn't tell a difference afterwards. Just some of the version 
numbers changed. Everything still worked the same. Everything still 
looked the same. Everything was still in the same place. If there was a 
8.10/3.5.10 I doubt anyone would know a difference from 8.04 > 8.10.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From engagedtone at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 18:56:26 2008
From: engagedtone at gmail.com (Amy Kelly)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:56:26 -0800
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200811121341.07971.art.alexion@gmail.com>
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But the operating system is the same, it's just a different desktop
magnager and some different applications.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:41, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 November 2008 1:34:38 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>> Doesn't Ubuntu use KDE?
>
> No. Ubuntu uses gnome.
>
> --
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> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>



-- 
Amy Kelly // engagedtone at gmail.com



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 18:56:41 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:56:41 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
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> I am confused.  Aren't they basically the same?  What I heard was that
> Kubuntu had more configuration problems.  Doesn't Ubuntu use KDE?  I
> tried 8.10 a while back but found it too difficult for me to handle
> KDE4, but now I am changing to 64 bit and AMD quad, and I heard that 64
> bit was a necessity and Ubuntu stabler than Kubuntu.  I am currently
> using Hardy.  With my new computer, I would like to make the best first
> install, so that all the little hidden files that  I never am aware of,
> come from the better first install; I am not sure if that matters, it is
> just a thought.  When I have formatted a Hard Drive, there is always
> something left on the drive.  I don't know what it is, but I don't want
> it to be the lesser of two OS's with stuff I can't get rid of.  About
> the Ubuntu users list.  Is it like this list, where we receive emails
> and post on emails?

The basics of a system are this.
You have Linux and that is the bit that in is charge of sharing all
the parts of the computer with other parts and software.
Then you have the Command line and that is a system called Bash (there
are others that you can use)
Then there is a bit called X and it does "windows (not MS)" stuff.
On top of that is a system that helps software all look the same and
share information, the desktop environments. This is called Gnome or
KDE or a bunch of other names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment

Read wikipedea or many other places on the net for more complete info.

There are more layers stuffed in there but I am trying to keep it simple.

Gnome and KDE both have programs written just for them to use. If you
use all KDE programs then they work well together and share data well
with each other, same for Gnome programs.

Ubuntu uses Gnome as the GUI and Kubuntu uses KDE. Both use the same
Linux under the hood and I think they both use Bash but I heard
something about that change, still I think they will both change, if
they do.

Bash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash

X11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System

Gnome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME

KDE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kde

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 12 19:15:36 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:15:36 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
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	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
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Steven Vollom wrote:

> I am confused.  Aren't they basically the same?  

Sure they are - as I said, the non-GUI parts are identical.  So are 
things like OpenOffice and Firefox.  But the core desktop components 
aren't.

> What I heard was that Kubuntu had more configuration problems.

I believe you heard wrong :-)

> Doesn't Ubuntu use KDE?  

No.  Ubuntu uses Gnome.

> With my new computer, I would like to make the best first
> install, so that all the little hidden files that  I never am aware
> of, come from the better first install; I am not sure if that matters,

No, it doesn't.  Anything that uses the same files in both versions is 
identical.  

> About
> the Ubuntu users list.  Is it like this list, where we receive emails
> and post on emails?

Exactly the same, but for all users of all Ubuntu flavors (Ubuntu, 
Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, etc), but with a heavy bias towards the base 
Ubuntu/Gnome product.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 12 19:21:23 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:21:23 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
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Knapp wrote:

> Ubuntu uses Gnome as the GUI and Kubuntu uses KDE. Both use the same
> Linux under the hood and I think they both use Bash but I heard
> something about that change, still I think they will both change, if
> they do.

The default shell (ie, what you get with /bin/sh) is dash, because it's 
more efficient than bash and is good for your system daemons and cron 
jobs, where you don't need a command history, command completion, and 
all the other little features of bash.  Gnome and KDE are both likely to 
still set up new users with a default shell of /bin/bash, precisely 
because of what makes dash attractive for non-interactive shells (though 
it's not strictly a Gnome/KDE issue - it's just a default in the GUI 
user management programs - your default shell is set at the OS level).
-- 
derek




From kassube at gmx.net  Wed Nov 12 19:35:01 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:35:01 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811121013w48c1db38ld50998877035201b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811121013w48c1db38ld50998877035201b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811122035.01438.kassube@gmx.net>

Knapp wrote:
> I would add that you can run both on the same computer and see what
> YOU like. 

I would suggest to also try Xubuntu. Personaly I prefer the Xfce desktop 
(from Xubuntu) over the Gnome desktop.


Nils



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 12 21:08:29 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:08:29 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu  RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <d066c8c60811121056o59efe886oc6f03f69c9bd44d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>	<200811121341.07971.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<d066c8c60811121056o59efe886oc6f03f69c9bd44d5@mail.gmail.com>
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Amy Kelly wrote:
> But the operating system is the same, it's just a different desktop
> magnager and some different applications.
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:41, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Wednesday 12 November 2008 1:34:38 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>>     
>>> Doesn't Ubuntu use KDE?
>>>       
>> No. Ubuntu uses gnome.
>>
>> --
>> kubuntu-users mailing list
>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   
I think I should apologize.  I should have Googled that.  I am not lazy, 
just so used to using this forum, I requested before I did my homework.  
Thanks.  I think I will stick with Kubuntu then, I prefer a difficult 
KDE to Gnome.  My reply includes a   RESOLVED, so I don't waste too many 
people's time.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 12 21:16:13 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:16:13 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811121056j128f505jf3ba9a976ee1a388@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
	<f495db580811121056j128f505jf3ba9a976ee1a388@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491B479D.4020909@sbcglobal.net>

Knapp wrote:
>> I am confused.  Aren't they basically the same?  What I heard was that
>> Kubuntu had more configuration problems.  Doesn't Ubuntu use KDE?  I
>> tried 8.10 a while back but found it too difficult for me to handle
>> KDE4, but now I am changing to 64 bit and AMD quad, and I heard that 64
>> bit was a necessity and Ubuntu stabler than Kubuntu.  I am currently
>> using Hardy.  With my new computer, I would like to make the best first
>> install, so that all the little hidden files that  I never am aware of,
>> come from the better first install; I am not sure if that matters, it is
>> just a thought.  When I have formatted a Hard Drive, there is always
>> something left on the drive.  I don't know what it is, but I don't want
>> it to be the lesser of two OS's with stuff I can't get rid of.  About
>> the Ubuntu users list.  Is it like this list, where we receive emails
>> and post on emails?
>>     
>
> The basics of a system are this.
> You have Linux and that is the bit that in is charge of sharing all
> the parts of the computer with other parts and software.
> Then you have the Command line and that is a system called Bash (there
> are others that you can use)
> Then there is a bit called X and it does "windows (not MS)" stuff.
> On top of that is a system that helps software all look the same and
> share information, the desktop environments. This is called Gnome or
> KDE or a bunch of other names.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment
>
> Read wikipedea or many other places on the net for more complete info.
>
> There are more layers stuffed in there but I am trying to keep it simple.
>
> Gnome and KDE both have programs written just for them to use. If you
> use all KDE programs then they work well together and share data well
> with each other, same for Gnome programs.
>
> Ubuntu uses Gnome as the GUI and Kubuntu uses KDE. Both use the same
> Linux under the hood and I think they both use Bash but I heard
> something about that change, still I think they will both change, if
> they do.
>
> Bash
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash
>
> X11
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System
>
> Gnome
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
>
> KDE
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kde
>
>   
How kind that reply is.  I apologize for my post.  I should have done my 
homework.  I have been fixing a lot of stuff recently; I posted prior to 
doing my homework.  I should have know that it basically is the 
difference of desktops.  Starting with Kubuntu is my only excuse.  But 
this post answers a lot of questions.  I expect will be able to put a 
lot of issues to bed by the time I finish your list for help.  Thanks 
for your kindness.  I really think I deserve a scolding.

Steven



From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 21:17:16 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:17:16 +0200
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
In-Reply-To: <200811121000.54057.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
References: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>	<f950edef0811120453m39fa0f50tfe09578d02402f7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811121000.54057.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
Message-ID: <491B47DC.5030800@gmail.com>

Pastor JW wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 November 2008 4:53:54 am Francisco Borges wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Richard <rick0009 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
>>> compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
>>> to deal with in a small office.
>> If you are running a small office, IMHO you should really stick with 8.04
>> as that release is the long term support release.
> 
> Yes, it would seem to me that if you were to use a reliable distro in the 
> office it should at leas be a LTS release.  Other wise you would be updating 
> your office software every six months, which to me would not be a wise thing 
> to do for a smooth running office!  
> 
Just for records: Kubuntu 8.04 is NOT an LTS due to the whole KDE3-4 thing.





From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 12 21:18:59 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:18:59 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <1668499.F8IySEfJ8h@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1668499.F8IySEfJ8h@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <491B4843.7010308@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> I am confused.  Aren't they basically the same?  
>>     
>
> Sure they are - as I said, the non-GUI parts are identical.  So are 
> things like OpenOffice and Firefox.  But the core desktop components 
> aren't.
>
>   
>> What I heard was that Kubuntu had more configuration problems.
>>     
>
> I believe you heard wrong :-)
>
>   
>> Doesn't Ubuntu use KDE?  
>>     
>
> No.  Ubuntu uses Gnome.
>
>   
>> With my new computer, I would like to make the best first
>> install, so that all the little hidden files that  I never am aware
>> of, come from the better first install; I am not sure if that matters,
>>     
>
> No, it doesn't.  Anything that uses the same files in both versions is 
> identical.  
>
>   
>> About
>> the Ubuntu users list.  Is it like this list, where we receive emails
>> and post on emails?
>>     
>
> Exactly the same, but for all users of all Ubuntu flavors (Ubuntu, 
> Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, etc), but with a heavy bias towards the base 
> Ubuntu/Gnome product.
>   
Thanks Derek.  



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 12 21:22:13 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:22:13 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <4287511.gnqZViDb2L@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>	<f495db580811121056j128f505jf3ba9a976ee1a388@mail.gmail.com>
	<4287511.gnqZViDb2L@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <491B4905.1090804@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>
>   
>> Ubuntu uses Gnome as the GUI and Kubuntu uses KDE. Both use the same
>> Linux under the hood and I think they both use Bash but I heard
>> something about that change, still I think they will both change, if
>> they do.
>>     
>
> The default shell (ie, what you get with /bin/sh) is dash, because it's 
> more efficient than bash and is good for your system daemons and cron 
> jobs, where you don't need a command history, command completion, and 
> all the other little features of bash.  Gnome and KDE are both likely to 
> still set up new users with a default shell of /bin/bash, precisely 
> because of what makes dash attractive for non-interactive shells (though 
> it's not strictly a Gnome/KDE issue - it's just a default in the GUI 
> user management programs - your default shell is set at the OS level).
>   
Thanks friend,

I will have to digest your explanation.  It is still beyond me.  
Apparently I should put more time into learning the function of dash 
than bash?



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 21:25:39 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:25:39 +0200
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
In-Reply-To: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
References: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811121325j3e37db0dr961fb7254647e7bf@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/11 Richard <rick0009 at gmail.com>:
> Is Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.x ready for normal uses...
> compare to Kubuntu 7.10, we are not looking for buggy apps,
> to deal with in a small office.
>
> I know, there are still working on the KDE,
> but thought I would as the guru's of Kubuntu for the final word.
>
> if be the case, that its not there as of yet, then we may have to
> to stay with Microsoft a little longer in the office.
>

If you look at the KDE download page (http://www.kde.org/download/)
then you will see this text:
KDE 4.1 is the version for early-adopting users.
KDE 3.5 is the more mature version of KDE. For more conservative
users, this is the recommended version of KDE.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 12 21:32:29 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:32:29 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <200811122035.01438.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>	<f495db580811121013w48c1db38ld50998877035201b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811122035.01438.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <491B4B6D.1080800@sbcglobal.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>   
>> I would add that you can run both on the same computer and see what
>> YOU like. 
>>     
>
> I would suggest to also try Xubuntu. Personaly I prefer the Xfce desktop 
> (from Xubuntu) over the Gnome desktop.
>
>
> Nils
>
>   
Thanks Nils.  I may not be ready to add another style.  I am struggling 
through learning Linux operation using Kubuntu.  Do you really think I 
should try Xubuntu?  I have seen your helping name so many times, I will 
do as you say, it is just I am having so much trouble learning Kubuntu 
and I have been working a couple of years.  I may just be too stupid, 
but I am not going to give up.  I wouldn't go back to microsoft if they 
paid me. 

My printer is down; I went to a friend's to make a copy from my thumb 
drive.  While the drive was opening, I got a virus alert; by the time I 
checked all the boxes leaving that up to my friend, I got another 
interruption for spyware.  When I answered all it's boxes, I got an 
interruption from from Microsoft for a security alert.  There was more, 
but it needn't be reported.  Needless to say, it will be easier to learn 
the proper use of the terminal than to stand the frustration of the 
interruptions provided by a Microsoft PC.

Plus, everything in Linux seems rather selfless help.  With Microsoft, 
you have so many hands in your pocked, you wonder your sex.

Steven



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 21:38:45 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:38:45 +0200
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <36135600811120945x2318c7ddj2a850ac96843ce13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<36135600811120945x2318c7ddj2a850ac96843ce13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811121338v62232824v2699751afb32f336@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/12 Ali Milis <almilis at gmail.com>:
> PLEASE DO NOT GET ME WRONG:
>
> I gave up to PREACH kubuntu, not gave up to USE it.
>
> However simple it looks, kubuntu is simply not simple enough
> for ordinary XP users.
>

however simple it looks, XP is simply not simple enough, not
configurable enough, not stable enough, not flashy enough, not easy
enough, not computer educating enough, not **good** enough for an
ordinary kubuntu user. it's all a matter of being "used to" something.
there is a whole huge big difference between an OS that's nice because
you are "used to" it, and because it's powerful.
thank you!


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Wed Nov 12 21:41:23 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:41:23 +0000
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491B4D83.8020100@candt.waitrose.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Soon I will install an OS in my new computer.  It is 64 bit.  I have 
> been advised that Ubuntu Intrepid is more stable than Kubuntu Intrepid.  
> Do they contain the same features?  Would you choose Ubuntu or Kubuntu 
> Intrepid?  Thanks!
> 
> It is a little thing, however I prefer the Kubuntu Desktop appearance 
> better, but that is not as important as functionality and ease of 
> configuration.
> 
> My new equipment consists of the following, in case that makes a 
> difference in the stability of the OS or ease of configuration:
> 
> AMD 9600 Quad core, ASUS Mempipe Motherboard, 8gb Axiom ECC DDR2, 2 each 
> Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.  The motherboard has Gforce 8400 video on board 
> and 8 channel sound that I plan to use for now.  I plan on using my 
> existing printer, Epson Stylus Photo 825.  Additionally, I will install 
> my current Sony DVDRW and Toshiba DVDrom. 

I have been a long time user of kubuntu and still use 8.04 kubuntu on 
most of my machines. However, 8.10 both ubuntu and kubuntu  have some 
rough edges I think with  some video cards, and Ubuntu was ok on my 
machines although often I used safe graphics mode initially if needed. 
But I had more problems with kubuntu 8.10 live CD. It would not show a 
gui on several of my machines, so I will not be upgrading soon...... 
On one laptop (dell inspiron 1100) it would not load at all, so far.

On one machine where it works I was initially confused, I could not 
understand what to do! With a bit more research and use I can begin to 
appreciate its cleverness and cuteness. However it has System Settings 
Disks and filesystems function missing, which I use a lot :-(
so I will wait until it is a little more rounded. However there are a 
number of really nice features and functions so I will be keen to get 
used to it.

My main concern has been that I hand a lot of CDs out regularly to 
complete beginners. In the past I would have preferred to hand out 
Kubuntu CDs but for 8.10 I have now stopped this and hand out Ubuntu 
until I know that the Kubuntu Live Cds are a bit more newbie friendly.

With an installed system and a bit of experience, I am sure updates 
would come through to help. But newbies get a Live cd frozen in time 
and are then alone. Unless they live next door to me that is :-)

My sig used to be 'Kubuntu user' but temporarily I am using Ubuntu as 
a public facing sig - I use a number of non technical lists. I do not 
like the thought of unsuspecting newbies bumping into kubuntu 8.10 and 
getting confused or worried. I was, and I am not a newbie!

For your installation:
May I suggest you consider initially installing Ubuntu 8.10 after 
first running the live CD? Once installed and fully updated, it will 
be very easy to also install the package
kubuntu-desktop
(use synaptic package manager)

I have heard that there are more 32 bit applications than 64 bit so it 
may be a smoother ride if you begin with 32 bit? THis is much more 
widely used than 64 bit anyway.

Then as you log in you can use the menu and session list to choose 
either a gnome (ubuntu) or kde (kubuntu) session.
Enjoy!
-- 
alan cocks
Ubuntu user
Linux user #360648



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 21:42:57 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:42:57 +0200
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <491B45CD.5040705@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811121341.07971.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<d066c8c60811121056o59efe886oc6f03f69c9bd44d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B45CD.5040705@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811121342v35c0ac6dk80af28b4663daca4@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/12 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> Amy Kelly wrote:
>> But the operating system is the same, it's just a different desktop
>> magnager and some different applications.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:41, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday 12 November 2008 1:34:38 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doesn't Ubuntu use KDE?
>>>>
>>> No. Ubuntu uses gnome.
> I think I should apologize.  I should have Googled that.  I am not lazy,
> just so used to using this forum, I requested before I did my homework.
> Thanks.  I think I will stick with Kubuntu then, I prefer a difficult
> KDE to Gnome.  My reply includes a   RESOLVED, so I don't waste too many
> people's time.
>

still, if you want to make sure, get the liveCD of ubuntu, and the
liveCD of kubuntu, and work for a few days from the CD before
installing it on ur system. this way, you can be sure what bests fit
you. and keep in mind, that kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE. you can
install kubuntu, and then add to it GNOME, or install ubuntu and then
add to it KDE, and you will effectively have both! then you can choose
which to use on the login screen :D


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From kaj at haulrich.net  Wed Nov 12 21:46:44 2008
From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:46:44 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu  RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <491B45CD.5040705@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<d066c8c60811121056o59efe886oc6f03f69c9bd44d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B45CD.5040705@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811122246.44865.kaj@haulrich.net>

On Wednesday 12 November 2008 22:08:29 Steven Vollom wrote:

> I think I should apologize.  I should have Googled that.  I am not lazy,
> just so used to using this forum, I requested before I did my homework.
> Thanks.  I think I will stick with Kubuntu then, I prefer a difficult
> KDE to Gnome.  My reply includes a   RESOLVED, so I don't waste too many
> people's time.

No need to apologize - this linux stuff _is_ confusing (at least for a few 
years). That said, you don't have to "stick" with one or the other desktop 
environment. You can do as I do: use both.

I couldn't install Kubuntu 8.10 for some reason or other (only the upper half 
of the screen was visible). Well, I installed Ubuntu 8.10 without a hiccup and 
then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" from the command-line. And voilá:
Now I have both and can do my work under the Gnome environment and play with 
the KDE environment until it's ready and stable.  It's as simple as choosing 
one or the other when the login screen comes up. All applications are the same 
in both environments - apart from the KI/O-slaves, which doesn't matter much.

Kaj Haulrich.



From kassube at gmx.net  Wed Nov 12 22:26:24 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:26:24 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <491B4B6D.1080800@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811122035.01438.kassube@gmx.net>
	<491B4B6D.1080800@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811122326.24118.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Thanks Nils.  I may not be ready to add another style.  I am struggling
> through learning Linux operation using Kubuntu.  Do you really think I
> should try Xubuntu?  

Well, if you are struggling with Kubuntu already, it may not be useful to 
try Xubuntu. In that case it may be easier to stick to the desktop you 
know already. IMHO, the Xfce desktop isn't easier to learn than KDE or 
Gnome. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages but all are usable. 
And you can run all applications independent from the desktop anyway. My 
suggestion to try Xubuntu was based on the (false) expectation you knew 
the difference of Kubuntu / Ubuntu being the desktop KDE / Gnome.


Nils



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 23:26:01 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:26:01 +1000
Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
Message-ID: <200811130926.02466.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

Anyone know how to install KDE trunk on Intrepid without doing it from source? 
I'd rather stick to packages if possible.
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com  Wed Nov 12 23:35:16 2008
From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:35:16 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu 8.10 (ready or not ? )
In-Reply-To: <491B47DC.5030800@gmail.com>
References: <4919CE37.9070804@gmail.com>
	<200811121000.54057.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
	<491B47DC.5030800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811121835.16796.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>

On Wednesday 12 November 2008 4:17:16 pm O. Sinclair wrote:

> Just for records: Kubuntu 8.04 is NOT an LTS due to the whole KDE3-4 thing.

But Ubuntu 8.04 is LTS.  That probably means that everything but the KDE stuff 
will be supported for Kubuntu 8.04 as well.

Other than security updates, what difference does it make whether your version 
is "supported" as long as it still works?  The only Windows computer I still 
have runs Win98.

	-Jerry

-- 
=============================================
Jerry Lapham
Monroe, OH  45050
rjlapham at cinci.rr.com
=============================================
"Disarmed citizens encourage crime and violence. Armed citizens encourage 
criminals to find a safer line of work." --Harry Browne



From paul at lemmons.name  Wed Nov 12 23:59:54 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:59:54 -0700
Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
In-Reply-To: <200811130926.02466.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811130926.02466.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491B6DFA.5050000@lemmons.name>

-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
From: Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>
To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Date: 11/12/2008 04:26 PM
> Anyone know how to install KDE trunk on Intrepid without doing it from source? 
> I'd rather stick to packages if possible.
>   
I have not heard that anybody has packaged KDE 4.2 yet ('Twould be nice 
if somebody tells me I am wrong). That is a very tedious and time 
consuming process; not one I am sure they want to do numerous times. I 
would not expect it to see it packaged until it is closer to going GA 
which is in January. If you want to look at it today, you will probably 
have to compile it yourself.

-- 
Sometimes I wonder.  Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it.

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From claydoh at midmaine.com  Thu Nov 13 00:51:42 2008
From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:51:42 -0500
Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
In-Reply-To: <491B6DFA.5050000@lemmons.name>
References: <200811130926.02466.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<491B6DFA.5050000@lemmons.name>
Message-ID: <200811121951.42648.claydoh@midmaine.com>

On Wednesday 12 November 2008 6:59:54 pm Paul Lemmons wrote:
> -------- Original Message  --------
> Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
> From: Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Date: 11/12/2008 04:26 PM
>
> > Anyone know how to install KDE trunk on Intrepid without doing it from
> > source? I'd rather stick to packages if possible.
>
> I have not heard that anybody has packaged KDE 4.2 yet ('Twould be nice
> if somebody tells me I am wrong). That is a very tedious and time
> consuming process; not one I am sure they want to do numerous times. I
> would not expect it to see it packaged until it is closer to going GA
> which is in January. If you want to look at it today, you will probably
> have to compile it yourself.

https://edge.launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive
this has regular builds (not always daily) of KDE4.2svn for intrepid, installs 
to a separate $KDEHOME just as KDE4 is in hardy, so you log in to a kde-
nightly session.


-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://flyballmaine.com
http://emacdogsports.com




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 01:00:07 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:00:07 +1000
Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
In-Reply-To: <200811121951.42648.claydoh@midmaine.com>
References: <200811130926.02466.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<491B6DFA.5050000@lemmons.name>
	<200811121951.42648.claydoh@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <200811131100.07476.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:51:42 am Clay Weber wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 November 2008 6:59:54 pm Paul Lemmons wrote:
> > -------- Original Message  --------
> > Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
> > From: Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>
> > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Date: 11/12/2008 04:26 PM
> >
> > > Anyone know how to install KDE trunk on Intrepid without doing it from
> > > source? I'd rather stick to packages if possible.
> >
> > I have not heard that anybody has packaged KDE 4.2 yet ('Twould be nice
> > if somebody tells me I am wrong). That is a very tedious and time
> > consuming process; not one I am sure they want to do numerous times. I
> > would not expect it to see it packaged until it is closer to going GA
> > which is in January. If you want to look at it today, you will probably
> > have to compile it yourself.
>
> https://edge.launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive
> this has regular builds (not always daily) of KDE4.2svn for intrepid,

Awesome! just what I was looking for

> installs to a separate $KDEHOME just as KDE4 is in hardy, so you log in to
> a kde- nightly session.

How does that work? do I set $KDEHOME to something before I install?

Thanks - Lindsay


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From claydoh at midmaine.com  Thu Nov 13 01:19:31 2008
From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:19:31 -0500
Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
In-Reply-To: <200811131100.07476.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811130926.02466.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811121951.42648.claydoh@midmaine.com>
	<200811131100.07476.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811122019.31589.claydoh@midmaine.com>

On Wednesday 12 November 2008 8:00:07 pm Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:51:42 am Clay Weber wrote:
> > On Wednesday 12 November 2008 6:59:54 pm Paul Lemmons wrote:
> > > -------- Original Message  --------
> > > Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
> > > From: Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>
> > > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Date: 11/12/2008 04:26 PM
> > >
> > > > Anyone know how to install KDE trunk on Intrepid without doing it
> > > > from source? I'd rather stick to packages if possible.
> > >
> > > I have not heard that anybody has packaged KDE 4.2 yet ('Twould be nice
> > > if somebody tells me I am wrong). That is a very tedious and time
> > > consuming process; not one I am sure they want to do numerous times. I
> > > would not expect it to see it packaged until it is closer to going GA
> > > which is in January. If you want to look at it today, you will probably
> > > have to compile it yourself.
> >
> > https://edge.launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive
> > this has regular builds (not always daily) of KDE4.2svn for intrepid,
>
> Awesome! just what I was looking for
>
> > installs to a separate $KDEHOME just as KDE4 is in hardy, so you log in
> > to a kde- nightly session.
>
> How does that work? do I set $KDEHOME to something before I install?
>
> Thanks - Lindsay

nope, just choose the kde-nightly session at your login screen. It's just like 
running KDE4 in hardy alongside KDE3. Separate configurations etc. so no 
conflicts or collisions .
-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://flyballmaine.com
http://emacdogsports.com



From wayward4now at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 01:48:14 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:48:14 -0500
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1226314483.7008.10.camel@herman-desktop>
References: <1226314483.7008.10.camel@herman-desktop>
Message-ID: <1226540894.7773.288.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>

On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 11:54 +0100, Herman wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> Kubuntu 8.10 failler
> 
> I had the same problem, i change my videocard for an nvidia with 256 mb
> and Kubuntu 8.10 was working wel on it
> and then an update driver for the nvidiacard was availeble
> and after a restart it didend start any more, not even in failsafe
> 
> So now i am back at Ubuntu 8.10 and this is working well, also with the
> new driver for the nvidiacard
> 
> Some times when i startup the pc it is in 800x600 mode
> that was also with diferend OS
> 
> i dont no why, but after an restart it works again.

I think it might be less a kubuntu/KDE/nVidia problem is it may be the
kernel. With Fedora, about 6 months ago (which is usually much further
out on the limb that Ubuntu), the kernel was the problem initially with
nVidia having to play catch-up. Dotan, would you chime in on this??
Gene? Correct me if I'm wrong here. :) Ric

-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
https://nuoar.dev.java.net/
Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 01:59:02 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:59:02 +1000
Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
In-Reply-To: <200811122019.31589.claydoh@midmaine.com>
References: <200811130926.02466.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811131100.07476.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811122019.31589.claydoh@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <200811131159.03305.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:19:31 am Clay Weber wrote:

> nope, just choose the kde-nightly session at your login screen. It's just
> like running KDE4 in hardy alongside KDE3. Separate configurations etc. so
> no conflicts or collisions .


Thanks, works a treat - most interesting.

Posting from 4.1 unfortunately as the imap process keeps dying on 4.2 :) Will 
have to look into that.

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From wayward4now at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 02:00:46 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:00:46 -0500
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811070949.44075.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<4915CD35.3010906@gmail.com>
	<1226478446.7773.283.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
	<15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226541646.7773.300.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>

On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 12:12 +0200, Willy Hamra wrote:
> On 12/11/2008, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 19:32 +0200, Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> > > 2008/11/7 p.daniels <carl1086 at morris.umn.edu>:
> > > > On Friday November 7 2008 12:52:53 am Ali Milis wrote:
> > > >> $ export GIVEUP
> > > >>
> > > >> Well... GeForce 7100 GS users have been stranded away
> > > >> for too long. How on earth, can I  recommend/preach a product
> > > >> that sometimes work and often don't?!
> > > >>
> > > >> I myself have no problem, since I can google most of my own
> > > >> problems. But unfortunately, this is not a product for beginners
> > > >> and laypeople
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > You know, I said the same thing about two years ago. So I did it. I gave up on
> > > > Nvidia, I sent them a letter telling them why, and I'm a happier person today.
> > > >
> > > > best wishes-
> > > > pete
> > > >
> > >
> > > i'm a tolerant person. i'm giving them till february to release some
> > > KDE4-compatible driver, if they don't, won't do it, i'm off to ATI, and
> > > i'll of course, let them know why as well. every company that
> > > disrespects it's clients, force them to use certain software, OS, or
> > > other crapware deserves to be abandoned!
> >
> > I see plenty of problems reported with ATI as well, in gaming and doing
> > 3D graphic design, in the user-group maillists. The nVidia users, like
> > myself, have no problems. I'm not sure what the beef is, but I do run an
> > older nVidia card, a 5700 with 1/2 meg of vram. I use the nVidia driver
> > installer using EnvyNG which works like a charm. When I used Fedora, I
> > just installed the nVidia supplied driver package manually. Using the
> > third party packagers I had problems. Major problems doing really tight
> > 3D virtual environments. NVidia has been good for me, so I don't know
> > what problems the OP had. Ric
> >
> 
> the problem is not with the installation. the proprietary nVidia
> drivers provided in the repos install perfectly. but the problem is
> with the lack of support for QT4 and KDE4 in general by these drivers.
> are you using the proprietary drivers, Ric? are using them with KDE4?
> if not, then you don't know about the problems i mentioned and suffer
> from. but if yes, then tell me, how is the general look and feel of
> KDE4? how many rendering glitches do you see per minute? quite a lot!
> turn desktop effects on, and these bugs more than quadriple. nVidia is
> aware of this, and that's why they provided the 177 beta driver
> series. for KDE3, the 173 drivers are still useful, and envy
> recommends them. but for KDE4, 173 are very very buggy, the 177 are a
> bit better, but still, nVidia is not doing it's job well with
> providing the necessary functionality.

Not sure just how any form of KDE would make demands on the video driver
that would be much different from one to the other. I use the nVidia
supplied driver for Java's Wonderland Project, I used it for Croquet and
SecondLife, plus a slew of openGL games. All detect libGL, libGLU
without a burp in the barrel. BUT! As I just wrote, there were some
problems with nVidia and newer kernels, which in a fit of devel
demagoguery wouldn't let 3rd party binaries to connect "properly" (or
call it "improperly") to the kernel. nVidia got broadsided (IMHO) and
had to scurry to play catch-up. I don't see how nVidia is -supposed- to
support KDE. Just maybe the problem is on the KDE end, instead. Every
other 3D intensive application that I use works flawlessly. Blender does
what it's supposed to do, no hangups, nothing blowing up, zilch. 

I would install KDE4 to test this out, but nah.... not gonna do it for
the sake of testing the video out only. I'm still in the KDE3 camp! If I
can install KDE4 and run it temporarily, I'll give it a shot. You guys
tell me how to keep KDE3 and I'll stick KDE4 in to test  ... no kernel
upgrade though. Ric :)  
-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
https://nuoar.dev.java.net/
Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987




From wayward4now at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 02:19:55 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:19:55 -0500
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811120340l6e1e133dy23753155a73a169b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<48cc00830811120248v126abbebk8fcfa358d4ab800b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811122113.27750.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<15edeae40811120340l6e1e133dy23753155a73a169b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226542796.7773.314.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>

On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 13:40 +0200, Willy Hamra wrote:
> On 12/11/2008, Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:48:13 pm Jussi Kekkonen wrote:
> > > sorry for replying in this ugly way but... can you point out how
> > > nvidia is not working well with kde4/qt4 ? It works perfectly here by
> > > any meters except minor bitmap buffer issue
> >
> > Same here, very minor bitmap issues in the taskbar and I have full desktop
> > effects on.
> >
> > I did in Advanced Compositing Options turn "Direct Rendering" and "Use VSync
> > off" and "Trilinear" to "Best Quality"
> >
> 
> lindsay, i have a geforce 7300LE with 256 MB of vram, and up to 512 MB.
> i use these same settings, but the glitches are horrible :S

Willy, I had a ton of problems with the nv driver, as it only does 2D.
No openGL unless you use software to supply libGL. Then it's slow and
buggy as all get out. Just maybe an upgrade snuck it back on your
system?? Could happen, it wouldn't be the first time either.

First, it you have the nVidia X server settings on your "settings -
xVidia X server settings" click on it and poke at "X Screen 0" then
"Open GL/GLX information" where you should see GLX Information" followed
by "Direct Rendering - Yes" and "GLX Extensions: " with a scroll of
options on and working. If you're not seeing what I'm seeing here, then
something is indeed broken. 

I would be willing to bet that your system is running xv instead of the
real deal. That happen to me running Fedora and I about tore my hair out
reconfiguring xorg.conf before I caught on to the swap out. I think Gene
ran into the problem about the same time. I am running kernel
2.6.24-16-generic.
nVidia driver #173.14.12
 
-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
https://nuoar.dev.java.net/
Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987




From wayward4now at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 02:31:00 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:31:00 -0500
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <36135600811120945x2318c7ddj2a850ac96843ce13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<36135600811120945x2318c7ddj2a850ac96843ce13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226543460.7773.326.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>

On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 00:45 +0700, Ali Milis wrote:
> PLEASE DO NOT GET ME WRONG:
> 
> I gave up to PREACH kubuntu, not gave up to USE it.
> 
> However simple it looks, kubuntu is simply not simple enough
> for ordinary XP users.

That leaves Linspire ...if you don't touch anything. <cackles> The
downside to Linux is that it will merrily do whatever you tell it to do.
I blew the smoke out of a beautiful new multisync monitor using
xvidtune, which did just as I told it to do ... and man was I ever a
sick puppy. 

BUT! It's not the fault of Linux, it's the idiot between the chair and
the computer. But, if you install whatever version of Linux you chose
and don't mess with it, generally it'll work for you easier than any
flavor of Windows and better. Sure it's a learning curve, but
behaviorists will say it's good to keep your brain elastic learning new
things. I just turned 59 yesterday and I'm proud to report that my brain
is nice, elastic and soft like a new stick of chewing gum. I owe it all
to Linux, and all the "opportunities" to think that it provides. Just
wait until you decide to configure sendmail for the first time. <grins
hugely> Namaskar, Ric
  
-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
https://nuoar.dev.java.net/
Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987




From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Thu Nov 13 02:52:49 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:52:49 -0500
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x   OR   Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
Message-ID: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

Yes this has been tell before.

This is my way of seeing it.

Kde4 is not a Kde anymore, it is a New-Desktop-Environment
it is in fact Nde-1.x

We all are trying to compare kde3 and kde4 here.

this is not right.

kde4 is in fact a totally new environment, 
totally different of others past kde's
with new sound system, new hardware control,
new file browser, new semantics, new...

>From Kde-1.x to Kde-3.x, a common sense have been
maintained, perfected, polished, customised, standardised, ...

Now with Kde4.x we all feel as we are in Nde-1.x

Almost nothing similar in basic system management,
Almost nothing similar in API, 
   since QT4 is not a sucessor of QT3, like Kde4 is not a sucessor of Kde3.

So the developpers all start from fresh, and convert old qt3
code to qt4 with automatic conversions, or use months
to get their applications as good in qt4/kde4 that they were in qt3/kde3.

So we all stall here, having a thriving system, polished, proved,
and liked by many, that we have to tell ourself, this is dead.

Suppose you are working on an application, that will be usable in 1 year,
you work on this for 3 to 4 years now, and you based it all on kde3/qt3.

you have 3 choice.

1 - you keep your system as is and continue to develop and grow your project.
(hoping that kde3 will be available when your solution is ready)

2 - you use kde4, then you restart all over again. 
(and you hope to stabilise a solution before the floor goes away under your feet again)

3 - you begin to look at gtk. (hummmm, maybe there is something stable here???)


Maybe there is a lesson here. (hum ???)

But with all my 30 years of computing, from punch-cards to usk-keys,
I just don't know what the lesson is.    :-)

(YES, some projects take 3 to 5 years to become usable at 0.9)
(Mine, is one of them. Restarting all over again, at 47, not sure...)

For 10 years, (from 1998 to 2008) I had a total Qt solution
for accounting/inventory for a big distribution company.
(the soft standed right, thru the cycle of Qt versions, without
almost any change in the code)


This passed from Qt1 to Qt2 to Qt3, without a itch. (maybe some little)

Now, Qt4/Kde4. My solution is Borked. Just to start all over again.

How much are we in this situation?

Kde is dead, long life to Nde-1.x    :-(


-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 13 02:51:48 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:51:48 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
	<f495db580811121056j128f505jf3ba9a976ee1a388@mail.gmail.com>
	<4287511.gnqZViDb2L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491B4905.1090804@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3210487.0onUDl6J8O@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> I will have to digest your explanation.  It is still beyond me.
> Apparently I should put more time into learning the function of dash
> than bash?

Not at all.  I thought I'd explained that "dash" is the default shell 
used for non-interactive purposes, but that _users_ get "bash".  For 
you, bash is much more useful, and if you're writing a script and put:
 #! /bin/bash
in the first line, you never have to worry about dash.  The difference 
only comes into play when you run a script using /bin/sh, which used to
be linked to bash, but now links to dash.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 13 03:27:17 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:27:17 -0400
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x   OR   Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>

Martin Laberge wrote:

> Yes this has been tell before.
> 
> This is my way of seeing it.
> 
> Kde4 is not a Kde anymore, it is a New-Desktop-Environment
> it is in fact Nde-1.x
> 
> We all are trying to compare kde3 and kde4 here.
> 
> this is not right.
> 
> kde4 is in fact a totally new environment,
> totally different of others past kde's

Well, no.  It's no different from KDE3 than KDE3 was from KDE2 and KDE2 
was from KDE1 - I've used them all

> with new sound system, 

We got that at KDE2

> new hardware control,

I don't think KDE has any new hardware control - that's all at a lower 
level.

> new file browser, new semantics, new...
> 
> From Kde-1.x to Kde-3.x, a common sense have been
> maintained, perfected, polished, customised, standardised, ...

Nope - and for me, KDE2 was a huge step backwards - much more so than 
KDE3 to KDE4, because it was also coupled with a move from the moribund 
Corel Linux to Debian, losing almost all of the neat features that Corel 
had added to KDE.
 
> Now with Kde4.x we all feel as we are in Nde-1.x
> 
> Almost nothing similar in basic system management,

Not that I can see....  I'm still managing my system as I used to.

> Almost nothing similar in API,

Certainly more true.

> Maybe there is a lesson here. (hum ???)
> 
> But with all my 30 years of computing, from punch-cards to usk-keys,
> I just don't know what the lesson is.    :-)

Nor I.
-- 
derek




From colin.kern at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 04:49:53 2008
From: colin.kern at gmail.com (Colin Kern)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:49:53 -0500
Subject: Japanese Input
Message-ID: <77c421f00811122049i1fe5d9dcpea94d1c67c91446d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I need help getting Japanese input working in Kubuntu 8.10.  I found
numerous guides to getting it working in previous Kubuntu versions
using KDE 3, but none for KDE 4.  I followed one of the guides and now
I can do Japanese input for KDE 3 applications, but not for KDE 4.
Has anyone gotten this to work?

Thanks,
Colin



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 04:54:07 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:54:07 +1000
Subject: Suspend Hotkey
Message-ID: <200811131454.07594.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

Anyone have any idea how to assign "Suspend" to a hotkey on Intrepid? I can't 
make head or tail of the hotkey setup
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From girardhenri at free.fr  Thu Nov 13 06:27:27 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:27:27 +0100
Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
In-Reply-To: <200811131100.07476.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811130926.02466.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<491B6DFA.5050000@lemmons.name>	<200811121951.42648.claydoh@midmaine.com>
	<200811131100.07476.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491BC8CF.6060407@free.fr>

It installs in opt/kde-nightly
today i compiled kdevelop4 (but i guess i haven't got all pluggins)
i am not able to create a new project ..)
but 4.2 is working fine I use it (i haven't to care about) but i find it 
quite stable
i like to compile edge cutting so i am enjoying :)


Lindsay Mathieson a écrit :
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:51:42 am Clay Weber wrote:
>   
>> On Wednesday 12 November 2008 6:59:54 pm Paul Lemmons wrote:
>>     
>>> -------- Original Message  --------
>>> Subject: KDE 4.2 / Trunk
>>> From: Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>
>>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Date: 11/12/2008 04:26 PM
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Anyone know how to install KDE trunk on Intrepid without doing it from
>>>> source? I'd rather stick to packages if possible.
>>>>         
>>> I have not heard that anybody has packaged KDE 4.2 yet ('Twould be nice
>>> if somebody tells me I am wrong). That is a very tedious and time
>>> consuming process; not one I am sure they want to do numerous times. I
>>> would not expect it to see it packaged until it is closer to going GA
>>> which is in January. If you want to look at it today, you will probably
>>> have to compile it yourself.
>>>       
>> https://edge.launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive
>> this has regular builds (not always daily) of KDE4.2svn for intrepid,
>>     
>
> Awesome! just what I was looking for
>
>   
>> installs to a separate $KDEHOME just as KDE4 is in hardy, so you log in to
>> a kde- nightly session.
>>     
>
> How does that work? do I set $KDEHOME to something before I install?
>
> Thanks - Lindsay
>
>
>   





From jonorland at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 09:40:59 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:40:59 +0100
Subject: Suspend Hotkey
In-Reply-To: <200811131454.07594.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811131454.07594.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811130140n38365c0ftb84fb8a3686f0517@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/13 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
> Anyone have any idea how to assign "Suspend" to a hotkey on Intrepid? I can't
> make head or tail of the hotkey setup

Don't use khotkeys in Intrepid it's broken and you will end up with
messed up config file for all your global keyboard shortcuts.

See this bugs for more info
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160892
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165441

/ Jonas



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 10:21:02 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:21:02 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <491B4D83.8020100@candt.waitrose.com>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<491B4D83.8020100@candt.waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811130221v15327554w7558c295fe0aa161@mail.gmail.com>

> I have heard that there are more 32 bit applications than 64 bit so it
> may be a smoother ride if you begin with 32 bit? THis is much more
> widely used than 64 bit anyway.
>
> Then as you log in you can use the menu and session list to choose
> either a gnome (ubuntu) or kde (kubuntu) session.
> Enjoy!
> --
> alan cocks

Alan, I have to disagree with you here. 64 bit works just fine. It can
also run these 32 bit apps if need be with the 64 bit system, it just
has 2 sets of libs for doing that. Also on my computer I only have one
32 bit app and that is Firefox because of java and flash problems with
64 bit (Have these been fixed yet? See I don't even know because it
has no impact on me.). This was installed automatically so I would
never even know that but for the fact that it was hard to do a few
years back.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 10:30:20 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:30:20 +0100
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>

>> Almost nothing similar in basic system management,
>
> Not that I can see....  I'm still managing my system as I used to.
>
>> Almost nothing similar in API,
>
> Certainly more true.
>
>> Maybe there is a lesson here. (hum ???)
>>
>> But with all my 30 years of computing, from punch-cards to usk-keys,
>> I just don't know what the lesson is.    :-)
>
> Nor I.

I have been a programmer for a long time also. Yes it sucks to loose
all your work. I used to have that happen a lot because the systems
were so poor that things go deleted or corrupted or in a very recent
case my baby, 8 months, took my laptop highlighted the whole program
and then typed a bunch of random letters and saved it, all in 3
minutes while I was getting a bite to eat. Naturally your first
reaction is one of anger and frustration. Then you calm down and just
rewrite it. I have never had something rewritten like this not come
out at least 3 times better than the first copy. The writing goes very
fast with few bugs and the code is cleaner as is the design. I think
this is because you know what not to do and you know where you were
dumb the first time and and clean all that up and make something much
better. In the case of open source all the dusty bits of code can be
cleaned up also. In the end I feel that KDE4 will be a great thing,
after we get over the fact that redoing in all sucks.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 10:42:15 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:42:15 +0200
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <880dece00811130242k50cd23dbt79e9c685d3fccdb@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/13 Martin Laberge <mlsoft at videotron.ca>:
> For 10 years, (from 1998 to 2008) I had a total Qt solution
> for accounting/inventory for a big distribution company.
> (the soft standed right, thru the cycle of Qt versions, without
> almost any change in the code)
>
>
> This passed from Qt1 to Qt2 to Qt3, without a itch. (maybe some little)
>
> Now, Qt4/Kde4. My solution is Borked. Just to start all over again.
>
> How much are we in this situation?
>

What is the problem here? If your application depends upon Qt3, then
package Qt3 with your application. Qt is licensed under GPL and a
proprietary license. If your application is GPL, then you can package
Qt under the terms of the license that you are familiar with. If your
application is proprietary, then you should already have a license for
Qt instead of using KDE as a dependency.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 11:06:02 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:06:02 +1000
Subject: Suspend Hotkey
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811130140n38365c0ftb84fb8a3686f0517@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811131454.07594.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811130140n38365c0ftb84fb8a3686f0517@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811132106.02767.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:40:59 pm Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/13 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
> > Anyone have any idea how to assign "Suspend" to a hotkey on Intrepid? I
> > can't make head or tail of the hotkey setup
>
> Don't use khotkeys in Intrepid it's broken and you will end up with
> messed up config file for all your global keyboard shortcuts.

Interesting,

Thanks


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Thu Nov 13 11:51:30 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:51:30 +0100
Subject: KDE 4 upgrades for hardy anyone?
Message-ID: <gfh4c2$vpe$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi,
I would like to stay on Hardy since I prefer working with KDE 3.5x.
It's simply more solid and complete, at least for me.

Moreover Hardy currently supports my nvidia 7600 excellently, while I 
have my doubts for intrepid, having heard about so many nvidia 
nightmares with Intrepid's new X version on the lists.

However I am interested to explore the latest and greatest KDE 4 stuff
from time to time in order to make a qualified decision about when it is 
time to finally swith to 4.x (whatever "x" will be at that time).

I find Hardy to be stuck with KDE 4.12 while Intrepid is on 4.13 (and 
going upwards, I believe).

My question:
Are there recent KDE 4 packages for Hardy available anywhere?
Are there any plans for KDE 4 upgrades?

I searched via google and ppa and that did not reveal anything.

If all else fails, is there a possibility to do it "viceversa" and 
operate Intrepid solidly with KDE 3.5?

Just to be clear, I do NOT want to continue the ever lasting "KDE4 ok 
for daily work?" discussion.

And also, I am not interested in "why did they do it or what could have 
been better?" prosa.

Thanks much for help and kind regards
Eberhard
I just want to have both, including the very latest packages from KDE4.x




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 11:55:37 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:55:37 +0200
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811130355g7133ee6cg52413c5315bd84a9@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/13 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
> were so poor that things go deleted or corrupted or in a very recent
> case my baby, 8 months, took my laptop highlighted the whole program
> and then typed a bunch of random letters and saved it, all in 3
> minutes while I was getting a bite to eat.

Eight months and she's proficient enough in VI to edit and save a
document! And to think that I was proud when my 18 month old could
point to all the hardware components by name!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From gmane at auxbuss.com  Thu Nov 13 12:31:12 2008
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:31:12 +0100
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MPG.23863c7c3b33e939989b74@news.gmane.org>

Knapp said...
> >> Almost nothing similar in basic system management,
> >
> > Not that I can see....  I'm still managing my system as I used to.
> >
> >> Almost nothing similar in API,
> >
> > Certainly more true.
> >
> >> Maybe there is a lesson here. (hum ???)
> >>
> >> But with all my 30 years of computing, from punch-cards to usk-keys,
> >> I just don't know what the lesson is.    :-)
> >
> > Nor I.
> 
> I have been a programmer for a long time also. Yes it sucks to loose
> all your work. I used to have that happen a lot because the systems
> were so poor that things go deleted or corrupted or in a very recent
> case my baby, 8 months, took my laptop highlighted the whole program
> and then typed a bunch of random letters and saved it, all in 3
> minutes while I was getting a bite to eat. Naturally your first
> reaction is one of anger and frustration. Then you calm down and just
> rewrite it.

My first reaction would be to ask myself how I "forgot" to use version 
control!

-- 
Cheers,
Marc




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 13:55:32 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:55:32 -0500
Subject: Hiding fonts from apps
Message-ID: <200811130855.37079.art.alexion@gmail.com>

I like viewing web pages and emails in the intended languages/fonts.  However, 
I never compose in Cyrillic or Japanese, etc.  Is there a way to hide these 
fonts from apps like OpenOffice so that they do not appear in the font 
selection drop-down?
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 13:58:48 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:58:48 +0100
Subject: KDE 4 upgrades for hardy anyone?
In-Reply-To: <gfh4c2$vpe$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gfh4c2$vpe$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <f495db580811130558h34b186eam38e048124fc70c9e@mail.gmail.com>

> If all else fails, is there a possibility to do it "viceversa" and
> operate Intrepid solidly with KDE 3.5?

Are you sure you want to do this for daily work? ;-) (Joke)

There was a thread on here last week about how to do just that and
someone said that they had done it. So I would say it can be done.

Good luck.

PS if you do use 8.10 would you not still have problems with Nvidia
even with KDE3??

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 14:03:31 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:03:31 +0100
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811130355g7133ee6cg52413c5315bd84a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811130355g7133ee6cg52413c5315bd84a9@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/13 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>> were so poor that things go deleted or corrupted or in a very recent
>> case my baby, 8 months, took my laptop highlighted the whole program
>> and then typed a bunch of random letters and saved it, all in 3
>> minutes while I was getting a bite to eat.
>
> Eight months and she's proficient enough in VI to edit and save a
> document! And to think that I was proud when my 18 month old could
> point to all the hardware components by name!
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen

Actually, Celtx.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtx



-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 14:04:32 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:04:32 +0100
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <MPG.23863c7c3b33e939989b74@news.gmane.org>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
	<MPG.23863c7c3b33e939989b74@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <f495db580811130604w6ebf0fe0n6e8563de3bc0ff4e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, marc <gmane at auxbuss.com> wrote:
> Knapp said...
>> >> Almost nothing similar in basic system management,
>> >
>> > Not that I can see....  I'm still managing my system as I used to.
>> >
>> >> Almost nothing similar in API,
>> >
>> > Certainly more true.
>> >
>> >> Maybe there is a lesson here. (hum ???)
>> >>
>> >> But with all my 30 years of computing, from punch-cards to usk-keys,
>> >> I just don't know what the lesson is.    :-)
>> >
>> > Nor I.
>>
>> I have been a programmer for a long time also. Yes it sucks to loose
>> all your work. I used to have that happen a lot because the systems
>> were so poor that things go deleted or corrupted or in a very recent
>> case my baby, 8 months, took my laptop highlighted the whole program
>> and then typed a bunch of random letters and saved it, all in 3
>> minutes while I was getting a bite to eat. Naturally your first
>> reaction is one of anger and frustration. Then you calm down and just
>> rewrite it.
>
> My first reaction would be to ask myself how I "forgot" to use version
> control!
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Marc

Hindsight is wonderful! It was the first thing I did when I started
over! This also has something to do with why I started the backup
thread.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 14:06:29 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:06:29 +0200
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1226542796.7773.314.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>	<15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>	<48cc00830811120248v126abbebk8fcfa358d4ab800b@mail.gmail.com>	<200811122113.27750.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<15edeae40811120340l6e1e133dy23753155a73a169b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1226542796.7773.314.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
Message-ID: <491C3465.1010603@gmail.com>

Ric Moore wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 13:40 +0200, Willy Hamra wrote:
>> On 12/11/2008, Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:48:13 pm Jussi Kekkonen wrote:
>>>> sorry for replying in this ugly way but... can you point out how
>>>> nvidia is not working well with kde4/qt4 ? It works perfectly here by
>>>> any meters except minor bitmap buffer issue
>>> Same here, very minor bitmap issues in the taskbar and I have full desktop
>>> effects on.
>>>
>>> I did in Advanced Compositing Options turn "Direct Rendering" and "Use VSync
>>> off" and "Trilinear" to "Best Quality"
>>>
>> lindsay, i have a geforce 7300LE with 256 MB of vram, and up to 512 MB.
>> i use these same settings, but the glitches are horrible :S
> 
> Willy, I had a ton of problems with the nv driver, as it only does 2D.
> No openGL unless you use software to supply libGL. Then it's slow and
> buggy as all get out. Just maybe an upgrade snuck it back on your
> system?? Could happen, it wouldn't be the first time either.
> 
> First, it you have the nVidia X server settings on your "settings -
> xVidia X server settings" click on it and poke at "X Screen 0" then
> "Open GL/GLX information" where you should see GLX Information" followed
> by "Direct Rendering - Yes" and "GLX Extensions: " with a scroll of
> options on and working. If you're not seeing what I'm seeing here, then
> something is indeed broken. 
> 
> I would be willing to bet that your system is running xv instead of the
> real deal. That happen to me running Fedora and I about tore my hair out
> reconfiguring xorg.conf before I caught on to the swap out. I think Gene
> ran into the problem about the same time. I am running kernel
> 2.6.24-16-generic.
> nVidia driver #173.14.12
>  

i'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to the graphic card
requirements of linux systems. or even know what my graphic card support
of them :S i'm more knowledgeable in direct x requirements, and the
different shader models required by windows games :P

so basically nv does only 2d? i'm sure i have nv, not the open-sourced
nvidia or xv. so if nv doesn't provide 3d, then wha's different between
nv and nvidia, i thought nv has more functions than nvidia? :-S

i see the Open GL/GLX information, and i can see direct rendering set to
yes, and a lot of GLX extensions.

can you please explain more about the nv and nvidia drivers? and someone
mentioned that ATI doesn't have render acceleration. even in the
proprietary driver? or it isn't supported by the hardware?

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 13 14:07:15 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:07:15 -0400
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811130355g7133ee6cg52413c5315bd84a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1865520.JJmUaRLMDN@cedar.serverforest.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> 2008/11/13 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>> were so poor that things go deleted or corrupted or in a very recent
>> case my baby, 8 months, took my laptop highlighted the whole program
>> and then typed a bunch of random letters and saved it, all in 3
>> minutes while I was getting a bite to eat.
> 
> Eight months and she's proficient enough in VI to edit and save a
> document!

I'm NOT believing the editor was vi.  :-)

-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 13 14:10:49 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:10:49 -0400
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
	<MPG.23863c7c3b33e939989b74@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1925851.0BybsjX56H@cedar.serverforest.com>

marc wrote:

> My first reaction would be to ask myself how I "forgot" to use version
> control!

Much as I've come to rely on svn, would you really have saved to svn 
when the first draft of your program is still open in the editor?

Even then, one of my current projects is for a client where svn is on 
the other side of a firewall - I can't save anything I do _today_ until I 
go into their office tomorrow.  I haven't figured out how to keep my own 
mirror of the svn, though it seems it should be possible.
-- 
derek




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 14:17:26 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:17:26 +0200
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>	<2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491C36F6.4080306@gmail.com>

Knapp wrote:
>>> Almost nothing similar in basic system management,
>> Not that I can see....  I'm still managing my system as I used to.
>>
>>> Almost nothing similar in API,
>> Certainly more true.
>>
>>> Maybe there is a lesson here. (hum ???)
>>>
>>> But with all my 30 years of computing, from punch-cards to usk-keys,
>>> I just don't know what the lesson is.    :-)
>> Nor I.
> 
> I have been a programmer for a long time also. Yes it sucks to loose
> all your work. I used to have that happen a lot because the systems
> were so poor that things go deleted or corrupted or in a very recent
> case my baby, 8 months, took my laptop highlighted the whole program
> and then typed a bunch of random letters and saved it, all in 3
> minutes while I was getting a bite to eat. Naturally your first
> reaction is one of anger and frustration. Then you calm down and just
> rewrite it. I have never had something rewritten like this not come
> out at least 3 times better than the first copy. The writing goes very
> fast with few bugs and the code is cleaner as is the design. I think
> this is because you know what not to do and you know where you were
> dumb the first time and and clean all that up and make something much
> better. In the case of open source all the dusty bits of code can be
> cleaned up also. In the end I feel that KDE4 will be a great thing,
> after we get over the fact that redoing in all sucks.
> 

i quite like the idea. i used to be frustrated when every new windows
turns out to be an improved older windows, and not a rewrite, same bugs,
same problems moving on. and then KDE4 came, and for some reason, i got
frustrated that it's a rewrite. then today, i read your email, and it
reminded me of my old windows thoughts, and made me realize that it
wasn't a bad decision to rewrite the system from scratch, thanks!

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 13 14:12:42 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:12:42 -0400
Subject: Suspend Hotkey
References: <200811131454.07594.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1363194.IIn1Gs8mQp@cedar.serverforest.com>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:

> Anyone have any idea how to assign "Suspend" to a hotkey on Intrepid?
> I can't make head or tail of the hotkey setup

No.  In my case, it was on the power button in Hardy, and still is, but 
I had tried to find a way to configure it.  
-- 
derek




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 14:29:23 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:29:23 +0200
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <491C36F6.4080306@gmail.com>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
	<491C36F6.4080306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811130629i46e305e7s9c0ee59b0a6045f4@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/13 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> i quite like the idea. i used to be frustrated when every new windows
> turns out to be an improved older windows, and not a rewrite, same bugs,
> same problems moving on. and then KDE4 came, and for some reason, i got
> frustrated that it's a rewrite. then today, i read your email, and it
> reminded me of my old windows thoughts, and made me realize that it
> wasn't a bad decision to rewrite the system from scratch, thanks!
>

This is likely the most insightful KDE4 related post that I have ever
read. Thank you Willy for making that as clear as you did. I will
certainly use this argument some day.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

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From kassube at gmx.net  Thu Nov 13 14:48:59 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:48:59 +0100
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <491C3465.1010603@gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<1226542796.7773.314.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
	<491C3465.1010603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811131548.59417.kassube@gmx.net>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> so basically nv does only 2d? i'm sure i have nv, not the open-sourced
> nvidia or xv. so if nv doesn't provide 3d, then wha's different between
> nv and nvidia, i thought nv has more functions than nvidia? :-S

The open source driver is named "nv" and AFAIK only supports 2d while the 
closed source one is named "nvidia" and supports 3d.


Nils



From nicofr38 at free.fr  Thu Nov 13 15:18:56 2008
From: nicofr38 at free.fr (NicoFr38)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:18:56 +0100
Subject: KDE4 : ark or something else ?
Message-ID: <200811131618.57012.nicofr38@free.fr>

Hi all,

I have upgraded my home computer to the latest kubuntu release with the KDE4 
environment.
For me (for the applications I use) everything works great
I use konqueror to web brows, Kate to web dev or to tcl dev, en Firefox to web 
debug.

The only thing that doesn't works as it was is ARK : no more right click 
integration, not supporting ZIP and RAR.

I know this is a known limitation, and justs would like to know how people 
that have upgraded to KDE4 deal with this limitation.

I have read about several solutions :
- use KDE3 ARK in KDE4
- use command line functions (that is what I do now)
- use an other app (which one is the better integrated and supports the format 
I have to deal with).



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Thu Nov 13 15:53:59 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:53:59 +0100
Subject: KDE 4 upgrades for hardy anyone?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811130558h34b186eam38e048124fc70c9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gfh4c2$vpe$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<f495db580811130558h34b186eam38e048124fc70c9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gfhiip$rp0$1@ger.gmane.org>

Knapp wrote:
>> If all else fails, is there a possibility to do it "viceversa" and
>> operate Intrepid solidly with KDE 3.5?
> 
> Are you sure you want to do this for daily work? ;-) (Joke)
I do not know. At least 3.5x is not imitating Vista that much. ;-))

> 
> There was a thread on here last week about how to do just that and
> someone said that they had done it. So I would say it can be done.

Actually now that you mention it, I remember that old Harddisk lying 
around here....
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> PS if you do use 8.10 would you not still have problems with Nvidia
> even with KDE3??

Correct.

Exactly this is the reason I would love to see recent KDE 4 upgrades for 
Hardy.

This would imho combine both worlds into an already perfectly running 
system.

Take care,

Eberhard,
who just came back from another failed upgrade to 8.10 on a HP Notebook 
where 8.04.1, upgraded from 7.10,  worked a charm.


> 




From pkaplan1 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 16:27:59 2008
From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:27:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: KDE4 : ark or something else ?
In-Reply-To: <200811131618.57012.nicofr38@free.fr>
Message-ID: <102263863.346971226593679533.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

FWIW, I have kde4/ark opening zip files, but there's other deficiencies as well (can't get the preview function to point to an external app as in kde3-ark). 

Have you tried xarchiver? 
Paul 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "NicoFr38" <nicofr38 at free.fr> 
To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:18:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: KDE4 : ark or something else ? 

Hi all, 

I have upgraded my home computer to the latest kubuntu release with the KDE4 
environment. 
For me (for the applications I use) everything works great 
I use konqueror to web brows, Kate to web dev or to tcl dev, en Firefox to web 
debug. 

The only thing that doesn't works as it was is ARK : no more right click 
integration, not supporting ZIP and RAR. 

I know this is a known limitation, and justs would like to know how people 
that have upgraded to KDE4 deal with this limitation. 

I have read about several solutions : 
- use KDE3 ARK in KDE4 
- use command line functions (that is what I do now) 
- use an other app (which one is the better integrated and supports the format 
I have to deal with). 

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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 16:48:46 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:48:46 +0200
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200811131548.59417.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>	<1226542796.7773.314.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>	<491C3465.1010603@gmail.com>
	<200811131548.59417.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <491C5A6E.7070007@gmail.com>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>> so basically nv does only 2d? i'm sure i have nv, not the open-sourced
>> nvidia or xv. so if nv doesn't provide 3d, then wha's different between
>> nv and nvidia, i thought nv has more functions than nvidia? :-S
> 
> The open source driver is named "nv" and AFAIK only supports 2d while the 
> closed source one is named "nvidia" and supports 3d.
> 

ah ok, sorry, i got mixed up. i thought nv is the proprietary. i just
checked my xorg.conf, and i see i'm using the proprietary, nvidia. does
it have some limitatios? i use it with having in mind that it supports
whatever i need in linux. is this the case? is there some acceleration,
some extension, some very basic render option that is usually required
and missing from nvidia?

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Thu Nov 13 17:16:19 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:16:19 -0500
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811130242k50cd23dbt79e9c685d3fccdb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<880dece00811130242k50cd23dbt79e9c685d3fccdb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Thursday 13 November 2008 05:42:15 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/13 Martin Laberge <mlsoft at videotron.ca>:
> > For 10 years, (from 1998 to 2008) I had a total Qt solution
> > for accounting/inventory for a big distribution company.
> > (the soft standed right, thru the cycle of Qt versions, without
> > almost any change in the code)
> >
> >
> > This passed from Qt1 to Qt2 to Qt3, without a itch. (maybe some little)
> >
> > Now, Qt4/Kde4. My solution is Borked. Just to start all over again.
> >
> > How much are we in this situation?
> >
> 
> What is the problem here? If your application depends upon Qt3, then
> package Qt3 with your application. Qt is licensed under GPL and a
> proprietary license. If your application is GPL, then you can package
> Qt under the terms of the license that you are familiar with. If your
> application is proprietary, then you should already have a license for
> Qt instead of using KDE as a dependency.
> 
> -- 
> Dotan Cohen
> 
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
> 
> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

The problem is to have to rewrite it all.

250,000 lines of c++ code, for internal use,
who have been maintained almost without change
for the last 10 years, in 3 versions of QT.

the QT1 , Qt2 and Qt3 versions, are all with the
SAME source code.

When a new version of Qt was released with my distrib,
I just had to make clean ; make ; in the main directory
of the application source, and we had a new executable.

(Yes a program can be compiled on these 3 versions without change)

-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...




From hvontres at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 17:28:53 2008
From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:28:53 -0800
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<880dece00811130242k50cd23dbt79e9c685d3fccdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <a7f8874a0811130928y737f7a29x4bfe098befd774a1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Martin Laberge <mlsoft at videotron.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday 13 November 2008 05:42:15 Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 2008/11/13 Martin Laberge <mlsoft at videotron.ca>:
>> > For 10 years, (from 1998 to 2008) I had a total Qt solution
>> > for accounting/inventory for a big distribution company.
>> > (the soft standed right, thru the cycle of Qt versions, without
>> > almost any change in the code)
>> >
>> >
>> > This passed from Qt1 to Qt2 to Qt3, without a itch. (maybe some little)
>> >
>> > Now, Qt4/Kde4. My solution is Borked. Just to start all over again.
>> >
>> > How much are we in this situation?
>> >
>>
>> What is the problem here? If your application depends upon Qt3, then
>> package Qt3 with your application. Qt is licensed under GPL and a
>> proprietary license. If your application is GPL, then you can package
>> Qt under the terms of the license that you are familiar with. If your
>> application is proprietary, then you should already have a license for
>> Qt instead of using KDE as a dependency.
>>
>> --
>> Dotan Cohen
>>
>> http://what-is-what.com
>> http://gibberish.co.il
>> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>>
>> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
>
> The problem is to have to rewrite it all.
>
> 250,000 lines of c++ code, for internal use,
> who have been maintained almost without change
> for the last 10 years, in 3 versions of QT.
>
> the QT1 , Qt2 and Qt3 versions, are all with the
> SAME source code.
>
> When a new version of Qt was released with my distrib,
> I just had to make clean ; make ; in the main directory
> of the application source, and we had a new executable.
>
> (Yes a program can be compiled on these 3 versions without change)
>
> --
> Martin Laberge
> mlsoft at videotron.ca
> Tel:(418)521-6823
> 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>


Well, you can still have qt3 and qt4 on the same machine....

-- 
Henry von Tresckow (hvontres)

From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 17:34:59 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:34:59 +0200
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>	<880dece00811130242k50cd23dbt79e9c685d3fccdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <491C6543.1060900@gmail.com>

Martin Laberge wrote:
> On Thursday 13 November 2008 05:42:15 Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 2008/11/13 Martin Laberge <mlsoft at videotron.ca>:
>>> For 10 years, (from 1998 to 2008) I had a total Qt solution
>>> for accounting/inventory for a big distribution company.
>>> (the soft standed right, thru the cycle of Qt versions, without
>>> almost any change in the code)
>>>
>>>
>>> This passed from Qt1 to Qt2 to Qt3, without a itch. (maybe some little)
>>>
>>> Now, Qt4/Kde4. My solution is Borked. Just to start all over again.
>>>
>>> How much are we in this situation?
>>>
>> What is the problem here? If your application depends upon Qt3, then
>> package Qt3 with your application. Qt is licensed under GPL and a
>> proprietary license. If your application is GPL, then you can package
>> Qt under the terms of the license that you are familiar with. If your
>> application is proprietary, then you should already have a license for
>> Qt instead of using KDE as a dependency.
>>
>> -- 
>> Dotan Cohen
>>
>> http://what-is-what.com
>> http://gibberish.co.il
>> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>>
>> ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
> 
> The problem is to have to rewrite it all.
> 
> 250,000 lines of c++ code, for internal use,
> who have been maintained almost without change
> for the last 10 years, in 3 versions of QT.
> 
> the QT1 , Qt2 and Qt3 versions, are all with the
> SAME source code.
> 
> When a new version of Qt was released with my distrib,
> I just had to make clean ; make ; in the main directory
> of the application source, and we had a new executable.
> 
> (Yes a program can be compiled on these 3 versions without change)
> 

so? stick to QT3, no one is forcing you to port your program to QT4. QT3
programs are still working, and will continue to work forever as far as
i know. :-S

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 17:42:35 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:42:35 +0100
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<880dece00811130242k50cd23dbt79e9c685d3fccdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <f495db580811130942h5c24ba50ye68c4b825d7f5f6@mail.gmail.com>

> The problem is to have to rewrite it all.
>
> 250,000 lines of c++ code, for internal use,
> who have been maintained almost without change
> for the last 10 years, in 3 versions of QT.
>
> the QT1 , Qt2 and Qt3 versions, are all with the
> SAME source code.
>
> When a new version of Qt was released with my distrib,
> I just had to make clean ; make ; in the main directory
> of the application source, and we had a new executable.
>
> (Yes a program can be compiled on these 3 versions without change)
>
> --
> Martin Laberge

I have never programmed with ether lib but I am sure most of your
program must still work. I would think that the only changes would
have to come in the I/O and GUI section of the code and then how much
can be that different?? Again I have not even looked at the libs but
have used a bunch of gui packages. You always have a messaging system
and boxes and button etc.
If the program is well written than most of the GUI stuff should be
separate from the work code anyway.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From gmane at auxbuss.com  Thu Nov 13 18:28:26 2008
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:28:26 +0100
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<2680235.2hoybksmx2@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811130230p53f80db9o98efe5feba11332a@mail.gmail.com>
	<MPG.23863c7c3b33e939989b74@news.gmane.org>
	<1925851.0BybsjX56H@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <MPG.23869031c0bd1a6d989b75@news.gmane.org>

Derek Broughton said...
> marc wrote:
> 
> > My first reaction would be to ask myself how I "forgot" to use version
> > control!
> 
> Much as I've come to rely on svn, would you really have saved to svn 
> when the first draft of your program is still open in the editor?

Well, er, yup. I hate to appear smug, but once I'm running tests, which 
is pretty early - I'm agile, but not a fanatic - and certainly once I'm 
thinking that I'd hate to lose something, then yes it gets committed. 

> Even then, one of my current projects is for a client where svn is on 
> the other side of a firewall - I can't save anything I do _today_ until I 
> go into their office tomorrow.  I haven't figured out how to keep my own 
> mirror of the svn, though it seems it should be possible.

The whole distributed thing? My outfit, which I manage, so I have no 
excuses - well, I do, but not here - means that we can't commit outside 
the firewall, and I share your pain. Tangentially, I'm currentlyy - like 
now, as I type - evaluating mercurial to replace svn.

-- 
Cheers,
Marc




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 18:51:12 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:51:12 +0200
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<880dece00811130242k50cd23dbt79e9c685d3fccdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <880dece00811131051j118ca3d4reafc44ac5f635b8d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/13 Martin Laberge <mlsoft at videotron.ca>:
> The problem is to have to rewrite it all.
>
> 250,000 lines of c++ code, for internal use,
> who have been maintained almost without change
> for the last 10 years, in 3 versions of QT.
>
> the QT1 , Qt2 and Qt3 versions, are all with the
> SAME source code.
>
> I just had to make clean ; make ; in the main directory
> of the application source, and we had a new executable.
>
> (Yes a program can be compiled on these 3 versions without change)
>

So continue using Qt 3. Why do you think that you must move to Qt4?
You can package Qt3 in with your app and not depend on it being
installed in your distro. How did your application run on Gnome-based
distros otherwise?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From tubaman at fattuba.com  Thu Nov 13 19:00:59 2008
From: tubaman at fattuba.com (Ryan Nowakowski)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:00:59 -0600
Subject: Is Juno DSL service compatible with Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <491850F3.6000201@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <638897.15889.qm@web90607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<491850F3.6000201@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <20081113190059.GE387@fattuba.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 05:19:15PM +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote:
> Franis Engel wrote:
> > Aloha,
> > It doesn't make sense to me that it wouldn't be, but the question is too difficult for Juno customer service. They say "only Windows" works with Juno DSL.
> > Is there anyone out there that has DSL provided by Juno who is using Linux with it?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Frani
> > 
> 
> I helped a friend here in Israel with a similar problem. My answer was to get them to buy a 
> router. That way the router is connecting to the ISP (and you can use a web interface to set it 
> up) and then configure the router to use DHCP for your home network (even if it is only one 
> computer).
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Nigel

The router probably runs Linux.  Irony anyone??



From pkaplan1 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 19:41:23 2008
From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:41:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: bookmarks in konqueror 4.1.x
Message-ID: <985174316.396311226605283799.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

After installing 8.10, I copied my bookmark.xml and faviconrc files from my ~/.kde directory (kde3) to the kde4 version. It seems that kde 4 doesn't use the faviconrc file and stores the bookmarks in a (slightly?) different format. Does anyone know of an app or script that will convert the older file format to the newer one? (I really don't want to rebuild the file by visiting each site!) 
Paul 
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 19:58:00 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:58:00 +0200
Subject: bookmarks in konqueror 4.1.x
In-Reply-To: <985174316.396311226605283799.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <985174316.396311226605283799.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811131158r6e4f2bb3ja0eeb4d5ad6eac1b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/13  <pkaplan1 at comcast.net>:
> After installing 8.10, I copied my bookmark.xml and faviconrc files from my
> ~/.kde directory (kde3) to the kde4 version.  It seems that kde 4 doesn't
> use the faviconrc file and stores the bookmarks in a (slightly?) different
> format.  Does anyone know of an app or script that will convert the older
> file format to the newer one?  (I really don't want to rebuild the file by
> visiting each site!)
> Paul
>

1) Try File->Import or some such function. I'm in KDE 3 at the moment
but it should be obvious once you know that it exists.

2) Please do not post in HTML. Thanks.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 20:04:03 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:04:03 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1668499.F8IySEfJ8h@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1668499.F8IySEfJ8h@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <f950edef0811131204k629b9ec2n52143726ca2338f8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:

> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
> > What I heard was that Kubuntu had more configuration problems.
>
> I believe you heard wrong :-)
>

I beg to differ.

At some point, the brightness keys of my laptop stopped working on KDE, but
they still worked on Gnome.

I used to use bluetooth to transfer files. Guess what? Kubuntu 8.10 dropped
bluetooth support (as KDE4 still doesn't support it).

These are just two examples, but as a whole, there is way more testing and
validation of the Ubuntu desktop environment than Kubuntu's KDE.

Kind regards,
-- 
Francisco
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 20:15:02 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:15:02 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <f950edef0811131204k629b9ec2n52143726ca2338f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1668499.F8IySEfJ8h@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f950edef0811131204k629b9ec2n52143726ca2338f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811131215q65dfbc10nd45480a833b756aa@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Francisco Borges
<francisco.borges at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>
> wrote:
>>
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>> > What I heard was that Kubuntu had more configuration problems.
>>
>> I believe you heard wrong :-)
>
> I beg to differ.
>
> At some point, the brightness keys of my laptop stopped working on KDE, but
> they still worked on Gnome.
>
> I used to use bluetooth to transfer files. Guess what? Kubuntu 8.10 dropped
> bluetooth support (as KDE4 still doesn't support it).
>
> These are just two examples, but as a whole, there is way more testing and
> validation of the Ubuntu desktop environment than Kubuntu's KDE.
>
> Kind regards,
> --
> Francisco

Even though I think forcing KDE4 on us was a big mistake, it is still
unfair to compare Gnome to KDE4. Gnome to KDE3, I can see.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 13 20:25:14 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:25:14 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
Message-ID: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>

I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I 
got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left 
the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that 
came with the case.

When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.

I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot 
of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as 
follows:

ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series

Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.

The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW & 
Floppy Drive

The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.

All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that 
would indicate the beeps that advise problems.

I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
on-board sound 8.1.

Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal 
when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the 
components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.

I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?

Steven



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 20:37:04 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:37:04 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811131237k3b326ac0oeeb89548ca700d70@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/13 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I
> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left
> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that
> came with the case.
>
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a
> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and
> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>
> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot
> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as
> follows:
>
> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
>
> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
>
> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW &
> Floppy Drive
>
> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
>
> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that
> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
>
> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using
> on-board sound 8.1.
>
> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal
> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the
> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
>
> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
>
> Steven
>

I have seen motherboards that will not turn on the processor fan
immediately, but my two ASUS machines both turn the fan on right away.
You are correct about the instant heat of the processor, but that is
only a problem if there is no heat sink (yes, I've done that but only
on purpose). With the heat sink you have enough time to boot into BIOS
and look at the CPU temp. If it goes over 40 and there is still no fan
then shut it down. You've got an AMD processor so there is less worry
of overheating it than with an Intel.

Now, why isn't the fan coming on? Check that the wires are secure (on
both ends) and that they are not damaged. Be certain that it is
plugged into the right place- sometimes it can be misleading. Download
the user manual for your motherboard if need be, they are easy to find
on the ASUS website.

Also, are you sure that you have not swapped the PSU's 20-to24 pin
adaptor with the bumblebee connector? Both are 2x2 square and although
the plastic is shaped to prevent confusing them, they can _still_ be
swapped accidentally on most motherboards as the tolerances are so
loose. The 2x2 connector with only black and yellow wires (bumblebee)
is the separate one.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From james at gray.net.au  Thu Nov 13 20:40:55 2008
From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:40:55 +1100
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3D02A9EC-F517-4568-9D09-44D1F8EEA0D0@gray.net.au>


On 14/11/2008, at 7:25 AM, Steven Vollom wrote:

> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one  
> before.  I
> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left
> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that
> came with the case.
>
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a
> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on,  
> and
> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>
> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot
> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components  
> are as
> follows:
>
> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
>
> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
>
> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the  
> DVDRW &
> Floppy Drive
>
> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
>
> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that
> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
>
> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using
> on-board sound 8.1.
>
> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal
> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the
> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
>
> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
>
> Steven

Hi Steven,

I wouldn't be sweating it about the processor.  There are checks in  
the BIOS (among others) that will prevent damage in the event of a CPU  
fan failure.  Apart from that, as long as the heat sink is attached  
properly, most CPU's will run quite happily (although hotter than  
normal) without a fan at all under light load.

Now, to your problem.  Make sure everything is seated correctly.   
Being your first build you have probably been a little too gentle when  
inserting components.  RAM especially is easy to insert wrong.  Pull  
all the connectors and components off, one at a time, then reconnect  
them making sure everything is seated correctly.  The power on.   
Either the problem will persist or it will come to life and you'll  
know where you went wrong.  If things are still broken, and you don't  
have any spare parts to test things like RAM/power/etc I'd suggest you  
find a knowledgeable friend who can help.

Good Luck :)

James



From godshatter at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 13 20:47:08 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:47:08 -0800
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491C924C.3070004@yahoo.com>

I'm not an expert in this, but I'll throw out there what I know, 
anyway.  My first suggestion is double and triple check your 
connections.  Make sure any cards are seated firmly in their slots, make 
sure the memory is pushed in far enough that the little holders click 
over the top of them.  Make sure the CPU is firmly seated.  Make sure 
all the power connectors are on all the hard drives and CD/DVD drives.  
Make sure the ribbon cables are as well.

The beep usually means (from my experience, anyway) that some hardware 
component is not correctly installed.  It's part of the pre-boot 
hardware checking a computer goes through.  I've also had it happen if a 
component gets fried, but I wouldn't worry about that since everything 
is presumably new.

I see others have already replied with the same kind of info.  Good luck 
with it.  I remember my first time building a computer from scratch.  
It's nerve-wracking.

Paul

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I 
> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left 
> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that 
> came with the case.
>
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>
> I shut down the chttp://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/omputer because I believe the processor creates a lot 
> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as 
> follows:
>
> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
>
> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
>
> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW & 
> Floppy Drive
>
> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
>
> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that 
> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
>
> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
> on-board sound 8.1.
>
> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal 
> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the 
> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
>
> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
>
> Steven
>
>   





From tuxebi at gmx.de  Thu Nov 13 21:00:29 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:00:29 +0100
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <gfi4ha$19k$1@ger.gmane.org>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I 
> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left 
> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that 
> came with the case.
> 
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
> 
> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot 
> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as 
> follows:
> 
> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
> 
> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
> 
> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW & 
> Floppy Drive
> 
> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
> 
> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that 
> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
> 
> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
> on-board sound 8.1.
> 
> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal 
> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the 
> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
> 
> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
> 
> Steven
> 
Hi Steven,

there is no need to worry. As has been said, you practically cannot burn 
a modern CPU, since they shutdwon before overheating. This applies to 
AMD as well as Intel.

As you obviously have power, otherwise there would not be a beep, I 
would suggest to follow the other guys' advise to carefully (re)check 
the hardware installation.

If this does not help, I would check the CPU fan, next.

I had motherboards refusing to start, when the CPU fan did not rev.

I would get a CPUfan to molex adaptor that connects the CPU fan directly 
to the PSU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molex). With this the fan 
should at least "try" to start, when power is switched on. If it does 
not, it will be time for fan replacement.

I would then proceed from there

kind regards and again, your computer will be great when it comes up. ;-)

Eberhard




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 13 20:58:51 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:58:51 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1668499.F8IySEfJ8h@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f950edef0811131204k629b9ec2n52143726ca2338f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2821990.nrqOlqFxmr@cedar.serverforest.com>

Francisco Borges wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Derek Broughton
> <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:
> 
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>> > What I heard was that Kubuntu had more configuration problems.
>>
>> I believe you heard wrong :-)
>>
> 
> I beg to differ.
> 
> At some point, the brightness keys of my laptop stopped working on
> KDE, but they still worked on Gnome.

All _my_ extra keys work fine.

> I used to use bluetooth to transfer files. Guess what? Kubuntu 8.10
> dropped bluetooth support (as KDE4 still doesn't support it).

Funny?  I was offered two different methods for Bluetooth.  I can't 
guarantee either work, as I don't have any BT devices, but the _support_ 
is certainly offered in Kubuntu 8.10 and KDE 4.

> These are just two examples, but as a whole, there is way more testing
> and validation of the Ubuntu desktop environment than Kubuntu's KDE.

Sorry, I'm just not buying it.  
-- 
derek




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 21:00:12 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:00:12 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I 
> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left 
> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that 
> came with the case.
> 
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
> 
> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot 
> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as 
> follows:
> 
> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Memphis
> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
> 
> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
> 
> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW & 
> Floppy Drive
> 
> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
> 
> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that 
> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
> 
> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
> on-board sound 8.1.
> 
> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal 
> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the 
> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
> 
> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
> 

don't panic, if the heatsink is firmly put on the CPU, it's a far chance
that the CPU will overheat, the heatsink is much more important than the
fan. to make sure if the problem is from the fan or the plug, i'll
assume it's plugged in the plug labelled something like "CPU_FAN" or the
like, try to plug it in another similar plug, there's usually 3 fan
plugs on mother boards, but of course, each manufacturer has it's own
number of plugs, and it's own locations for them. you can try the
"CHA_FAN2" beside the PCI Express slot, just for a few seconds to see if
the fan will run or not. if yes, the plug might be having a problem, if
no, you need to check the fan, see if it's cables are intact, etc..

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 13 21:00:42 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:00:42 -0400
Subject: EMERGENCY!
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <24053373.ApPTcQ7gPu@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot
> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  

Unless you've actually shorted out a component, I simply can't believe 
you're generating "instant heat"

-- 
derek




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 21:12:05 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:12:05 +0100
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <24053373.ApPTcQ7gPu@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<24053373.ApPTcQ7gPu@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811131312s68df1eb1kc5044b5f21f88c69@mail.gmail.com>

Motherboards have beep codes. I hope these are the right ones for your
board. Shocked no one beat me to this bit of info.
http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/awardbeep.htm
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 13 21:14:06 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:14:06 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811131237k3b326ac0oeeb89548ca700d70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811131237k3b326ac0oeeb89548ca700d70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491C989E.1040108@sbcglobal.net>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/13 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
>   
>> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I
>> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left
>> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that
>> came with the case.
>>
>> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a
>> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and
>> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>>
>> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot
>> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as
>> follows:
>>
>> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
>> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
>> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
>>
>> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
>>
>> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW &
>> Floppy Drive
>>
>> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
>>
>> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that
>> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
>>
>> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using
>> on-board sound 8.1.
>>
>> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal
>> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the
>> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
>>
>> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
>
> I have seen motherboards that will not turn on the processor fan
> immediately, but my two ASUS machines both turn the fan on right away.
> You are correct about the instant heat of the processor, but that is
> only a problem if there is no heat sink (yes, I've done that but only
> on purpose). With the heat sink you have enough time to boot into BIOS
> and look at the CPU temp. If it goes over 40 and there is still no fan
> then shut it down. You've got an AMD processor so there is less worry
> of overheating it than with an Intel.
>
> Now, why isn't the fan coming on? Check that the wires are secure (on
> both ends) and that they are not damaged.
I checked the connection on the motherboard.  The other end is connected 
inside the fan assembly; how do I check that end?  Nothing appears damaged.
>  Be certain that it is
> plugged into the right place- sometimes it can be misleading.
I assembled from the User Guide.  I am confident it is the correct 
place.  On the motherboard it says CPU_F under the pins. 
>  Download
> the user manual for your motherboard if need be, they are easy to find
> on the ASUS website.
>
> Also, are you sure that you have not swapped the PSU's 20-to24 pin
> adaptor with the bumblebee connector? Both are 2x2 square and although
> the plastic is shaped to prevent confusing them, they can _still_ be
> swapped accidentally on most motherboards as the tolerances are so
> loose. The 2x2 connector with only black and yellow wires (bumblebee)
> is the separate one.
>   
My power supply bound the 20 and 4 pin connectors together so you can't 
make that error.

Thanks for the quick reply.  I turned the computer off as soon as I 
noticed the fan wasn't running, so with your explanation, I am more at ease.




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 13 21:29:52 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:29:52 +0000
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811132129.52727.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Thursday 13 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built
> one before.  I got to the point where the power is
> supposed to be turned on.  I left the side off the
> computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that came
> with the case.
>
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on. 
> There was a single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat
> sink did not come on, and it is fixed to the power post
> of the motherboard that was made for it.
>
> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor
> creates a lot of instant heat, but I don't know what to
> do next.  My components are as follows:
>
> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
>
> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
>
> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes
> to the DVDRW & Floppy Drive
>
> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
>
> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a
> speaker that would indicate the beeps that advise
> problems.
>
> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also
> I am using on-board sound 8.1.
>
> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being
> on is normal when first turning the computer on?  It took
> me a year to assemble the components for my new computer;
> I can't afford to burn anything up.
>
> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please
> respond?
>
> Steven

Google "booting pc single beep" without the quotes give 
plenty of suggestions

most likely it is a connection problem with your monitor.

but you don't need to panic.

neal.



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 21:57:21 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:57:21 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <gfi4ha$19k$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <gfi4ha$19k$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <880dece00811131357s5ed69997o746091a0ba39dc3c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/13 Eberhard Roloff <tuxebi at gmx.de>:
> there is no need to worry. As has been said, you practically cannot burn
> a modern CPU, since they shutdwon before overheating. This applies to
> AMD as well as Intel.
>

I don't know about this. I've seen a CoreDuo burn up at ~~ 80 degrees
on a Foxconn motherboard. I personally have fried a Pentium 4 at only
72 degrees. (My personal best is 108 C on an AMD Duron, it ran for
over a year after that before I replaced the system)

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 22:01:57 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:01:57 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C989E.1040108@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811131237k3b326ac0oeeb89548ca700d70@mail.gmail.com>
	<491C989E.1040108@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811131401y2d172870ha00b738a364cac35@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/13 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> I checked the connection on the motherboard.  The other end is connected
> inside the fan assembly; how do I check that end?  Nothing appears damaged.

If nothing appears damaged, then that's all you can check without a multimeter!

>>  Be certain that it is
>> plugged into the right place- sometimes it can be misleading.
> I assembled from the User Guide.  I am confident it is the correct
> place.  On the motherboard it says CPU_F under the pins.

That is a good indication that it is the right place! I don't think
that you can insert them backwards, and the baby is sleeping so I'm
not about to go digging for a motherboard to check.

>>  Download
>> the user manual for your motherboard if need be, they are easy to find
>> on the ASUS website.
>>
>> Also, are you sure that you have not swapped the PSU's 20-to24 pin
>> adaptor with the bumblebee connector? Both are 2x2 square and although
>> the plastic is shaped to prevent confusing them, they can _still_ be
>> swapped accidentally on most motherboards as the tolerances are so
>> loose. The 2x2 connector with only black and yellow wires (bumblebee)
>> is the separate one.
>>
> My power supply bound the 20 and 4 pin connectors together so you can't
> make that error.
>

Nice, new equipment! Spoiled!

> Thanks for the quick reply.  I turned the computer off as soon as I
> noticed the fan wasn't running, so with your explanation, I am more at ease.
>

With all that you've mentioned, I would plug another fan in (wouldn't
even bother sitting it on the processor) and see if it spins. If not,
then take the motherboard back.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 13 22:07:01 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:07:01 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C924C.3070004@yahoo.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C924C.3070004@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <491CA505.8020907@sbcglobal.net>

Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> I'm not an expert in this, but I'll throw out there what I know, 
> anyway.  My first suggestion is double and triple check your 
> connections.
I have done that.
>   Make sure any cards are seated firmly in their slots, make 
> sure the memory is pushed in far enough that the little holders click 
> over the top of them.
I don't have any cards installed.  The on-board video is nVidia 8400 
Gforce; I only installed the two new hard drives, Maxtor SATA 500gb 
each.  The DVDRW and floppy drives will come out of this computer, when 
I get the new one set up, so there are only normal power and board 
connections excepting the Hard drives, and I checked them again.  There 
are no ribbon cables.
>   Make sure the CPU is firmly seated.
Both the Processor and the Mempipe cooling system of the motherboard 
have factory installed coatings.  I am a little apprehensive about 
taking them apart to re-seat them unless I have some of the material you 
coat the with.  I don't have any right now.
>   Make sure 
> all the power connectors are on all the hard drives and CD/DVD drives.  
> Make sure the ribbon cables are as well.
>
> The beep usually means (from my experience, anyway) that some hardware 
> component is not correctly installed.
My existing system has a beep when it boots.  Is it possible that is 
what the beep is about on the new system?
>   It's part of the pre-boot 
> hardware checking a computer goes through.  I've also had it happen if a 
> component gets fried, but I wouldn't worry about that since everything 
> is presumably new.
>   
There are no smells to indicate heat probs.
> I see others have already replied with the same kind of info.  Good luck 
> with it.  I remember my first time building a computer from scratch.  
> It's nerve-wracking.
>   
Thanks for the help Paul; I am responding to this directly because the 
post limit is 40kb, and I am not sure when that point comes.  As soon as 
the new monitor arrives, I will attempt booting the new bios.  If there 
doesn't seem to seem to be any problem or warnings, I will presume 
installation was normal.

Cordially,
Steven
> Paul
>
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I 
>> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left 
>> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that 
>> came with the case.
>>
>> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
>> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
>> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>>
>> I shut down the chttp://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/omputer because I believe the processor creates a lot 
>> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as 
>> follows:
>>
>> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
>> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
>> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
>>
>> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
>>
>> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW & 
>> Floppy Drive
>>
>> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
>>
>> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that 
>> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
>>
>> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
>> on-board sound 8.1.
>>
>> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal 
>> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the 
>> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
>>
>> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>   
>>     
>
>
>
>   




From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr  Thu Nov 13 22:17:02 2008
From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:17:02 +0100
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811132317.03464.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>

On Thursday 13 November 2008 21:25, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I
> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left
> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that
> came with the case.
>
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a
> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and
> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>
> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot
> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as
> follows:
>
> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
>
> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
>
> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW &
> Floppy Drive
>
> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
>
> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that
> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
>
> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using
> on-board sound 8.1.
>
> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal
> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the
> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
>
> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
>
> Steven

I'd always thought that a single beep showed that the POST (power on self 
test) , had run to completion, with no problems. I don't know your mobo, but 
it's possible that the cpu fan doesn't start until a specific temperature is 
reached. I'm only guessing, but it may be worth letting the machine run for a 
bit longer, and see if the fan starts. As others have said, there are 
safeguards in place, so as to shut down the machine in the case of 
overheating of the cpu.

Just some thoughts.

Nigel.



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 22:17:45 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:17:45 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491CA505.8020907@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C924C.3070004@yahoo.com>
	<491CA505.8020907@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811131417q695d40capcdb8ca672d4d5ac2@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
>> The beep usually means (from my experience, anyway) that some hardware
>> component is not correctly installed.
> My existing system has a beep when it boots.  Is it possible that is
> what the beep is about on the new system?

A single beep means that the system passed the POST test on every
system that I've ever used. And I've built a lot of ASUS boxen. If all
you hear is a single beep, that means that the NB hardware (PCI cards,
video interfaces, memory) is installed correctly.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 22:25:32 2008
From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:25:32 +0000
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811132225.32896.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>

On Thursday 13 November 2008 20:25:14 Steven Vollom wrote:
> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I
> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left
> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that
> came with the case.
>
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a
> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and
> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.

<Snip>

> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal
> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the
> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.

It is possible that everything is working fine and that the fan is temperature 
controlled by the BIOS and as it isn't hot enough at that stage the fan 
doesn't need to be on.

If you turn it on again and go straight to the BIOS and check to see if the 
temperatures are OK and the fan's RPM is being read correctly.

-- 
Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 13 22:25:57 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:25:57 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I 
>> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left 
>> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that 
>> came with the case.
>>
>> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
>> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
>> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>>
>> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot 
>> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as 
>> follows:
>>
>> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Memphis
>> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
>> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
>>
>> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
>>
>> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW & 
>> Floppy Drive
>>
>> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
>>
>> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that 
>> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
>>
>> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
>> on-board sound 8.1.
>>
>> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal 
>> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the 
>> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
>>
>> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
>>
>>     
>
> don't panic, if the heatsink is firmly put on the CPU, it's a far chance
> that the CPU will overheat, the heatsink is much more important than the
> fan. to make sure if the problem is from the fan or the plug, i'll
> assume it's plugged in the plug labelled something like "CPU_FAN" or the
> like, try to plug it in another similar plug, there's usually 3 fan
> plugs on mother boards, but of course, each manufacturer has it's own
> number of plugs, and it's own locations for them. you can try the
> "CHA_FAN2" beside the PCI Express slot,
In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for 
a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.  There are 
two other places where there are pins for fans, they are identified as 
'pwr_fan and cha_fan They are flush with eachother and each has only 3 
pins.  The Heat Sink connector has places for 4 pins.  If I were to try 
to plug to the pwr_fan, I would have to leave the empty pin on the left 
in open space, because if I put it on the right it would occupy one of 
the pins of cha_fan. If I tried to plug to the cha_fan pins, there is 
not enough room to the right of the pins to have overhang, and to the 
left it would occupy one of the pwr_fan pins.  I hope that wasn't too 
confusing.

I am concerned about plugging to the pins marked CD, even though they 
are 4 pin, because I don't know what damage I could do, if they weren't 
fan pins.  Other than those, if there are any other fan pins on the 
motherboard, I am too bleary-eyed to see them.  I am being so careful, 
it is giving me a headache.  Thanks! for the help!
>  just for a few seconds to see if
> the fan will run or not. if yes, the plug might be having a problem, if
> no, you need to check the fan, see if it's cables are intact, etc..
>
>   




From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Thu Nov 13 22:37:14 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:37:14 +0000
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>
	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491CAC1A.60601@yahoo.it>

Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
>>> on-board sound 8.1.
>>>

> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for 
> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.  

I might be wrong but that sounds more like the CD input to the onboard 
sound than pins for a fan (also the fact that there are four pins goes 
with the cd idea; usually the audio cables to connect cdroms have four 
pins, but the cheap ones I've always used have one empty). If that's the 
case, plugging the fan there should have no effect whatsoever.
HTH,
I.




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 22:38:44 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:38:44 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>
	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for
> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.  There are
> two other places where there are pins for fans, they are identified as
> 'pwr_fan and cha_fan They are flush with eachother and each has only 3
> pins.  The Heat Sink connector has places for 4 pins.  If I were to try
> to plug to the pwr_fan, I would have to leave the empty pin on the left
> in open space, because if I put it on the right it would occupy one of
> the pins of cha_fan. If I tried to plug to the cha_fan pins, there is
> not enough room to the right of the pins to have overhang, and to the
> left it would occupy one of the pwr_fan pins.  I hope that wasn't too
> confusing.
>
> I am concerned about plugging to the pins marked CD, even though they
> are 4 pin, because I don't know what damage I could do, if they weren't
> fan pins.  Other than those, if there are any other fan pins on the
> motherboard, I am too bleary-eyed to see them.  I am being so careful,
> it is giving me a headache.  Thanks! for the help!
>>  just for a few seconds to see if
>> the fan will run or not. if yes, the plug might be having a problem, if
>> no, you need to check the fan, see if it's cables are intact, etc..
>>
>>
>

Please provide a link to the user manual of your motherboard.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Thu Nov 13 23:16:39 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:16:39 +0000
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
>> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for
>> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.  There are
>> two other places where there are pins for fans, they are identified as
>> 'pwr_fan and cha_fan They are flush with eachother and each has only 3
>> pins.  The Heat Sink connector has places for 4 pins.  If I were to try
>> to plug to the pwr_fan, I would have to leave the empty pin on the left
>> in open space, because if I put it on the right it would occupy one of
>> the pins of cha_fan. If I tried to plug to the cha_fan pins, there is
>> not enough room to the right of the pins to have overhang, and to the
>> left it would occupy one of the pwr_fan pins.  I hope that wasn't too
>> confusing.
>>
>> I am concerned about plugging to the pins marked CD, even though they
>> are 4 pin, because I don't know what damage I could do, if they weren't
>> fan pins.  Other than those, if there are any other fan pins on the
>> motherboard, I am too bleary-eyed to see them.  I am being so careful,
>> it is giving me a headache.  Thanks! for the help!
>>>  just for a few seconds to see if
>>> the fan will run or not. if yes, the plug might be having a problem, if
>>> no, you need to check the fan, see if it's cables are intact, etc..
>>>
>>>
> 
> Please provide a link to the user manual of your motherboard.
> 

Browsing this link and other on the web, I have the impression the 
"quieter" bit is achieved by keeping fans off unless needed, as someone 
already suggested:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2097&l1=3&l2=149&l3=646&l4=0

HTH,
I.



From jerryturba at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 13 23:29:44 2008
From: jerryturba at sbcglobal.net (jerry)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:29:44 -0800
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491CB868.4040505@sbcglobal.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
>
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>
>
>   
I also recently built a new computer. I did not use the Asus mb or AMD 
cpu etc.
When I did my first powerup I also nearly had a heart attack because the 
lights came on and the case fans spun up and the cpu fan did not start 
immediately as I expected. Then after about 3 seconds it did start up 
and then shut down again. I cold not turn it off fast enough fearing the 
same outcome as you expressed.

I did recheck all my connections and I did recall hearing 1 beep. I 
expect 1 beep to be the normal startup signal. So after I was convinced 
that everything was properly connected I held my breath, crossed my 
fingers, said a very sincere prayer, and powered up again. It started up 
in the exact same way and I resisted the fear and let the computer 
startup. In another 3 seconds the cpu fan started up a second time and 
continued to run. It ran fine.

It seems my rig after I have powered off the mb will start, stop and 
restart the cpu fan. It was all new to me and there was nothing in the 
manual to warn me about this.

Your mileage may vary and I don't want to encourage you to do anything 
that may damage your computer.
You could try to google for the problem (e,g, cpu 1 beep no cpu fan) or 
post to a news group that answers questions about building pcs like     
alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt.

Good luck

Jerry




From stan10x10 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 23:55:39 2008
From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:55:39 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>
	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>
	<491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0811131555m54dfe524x9f9a3b7b26701c03@mail.gmail.com>

I simply would not take a chance with the cpu.  On the recent desktop
computers I have built  the cpu fan always comes on at once.  You can get a
cheap voltage meeter for $ 10-15. You should be able to get 12 volts dc from
your mother board connection.  As suggested get an adapter for a 12 volt
connector and use the leads that are running the case fans this should turn
on the cpu fan at once if not it is bad.  Check the motherboard connecters
with the volt meter and make sure you are getting 12 volts.  If you can't
get the 12 v your mother board is bad.  The 12 volt supply should be there
even with the cpu out of the mother board.  At most the board would lower
the fan speed with a light load not shut it off.  Its your equipment but I
would use caution.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it>wrote:

> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> >> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for
> >> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.  There are
> >> two other places where there are pins for fans, they are identified as
> >> 'pwr_fan and cha_fan They are flush with eachother and each has only 3
> >> pins.  The Heat Sink connector has places for 4 pins.  If I were to try
> >> to plug to the pwr_fan, I would have to leave the empty pin on the left
> >> in open space, because if I put it on the right it would occupy one of
> >> the pins of cha_fan. If I tried to plug to the cha_fan pins, there is
> >> not enough room to the right of the pins to have overhang, and to the
> >> left it would occupy one of the pwr_fan pins.  I hope that wasn't too
> >> confusing.
> >>
> >> I am concerned about plugging to the pins marked CD, even though they
> >> are 4 pin, because I don't know what damage I could do, if they weren't
> >> fan pins.  Other than those, if there are any other fan pins on the
> >> motherboard, I am too bleary-eyed to see them.  I am being so careful,
> >> it is giving me a headache.  Thanks! for the help!
> >>>  just for a few seconds to see if
> >>> the fan will run or not. if yes, the plug might be having a problem, if
> >>> no, you need to check the fan, see if it's cables are intact, etc..
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > Please provide a link to the user manual of your motherboard.
> >
>
> Browsing this link and other on the web, I have the impression the
> "quieter" bit is achieved by keeping fans off unless needed, as someone
> already suggested:
>
>
> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2097&l1=3&l2=149&l3=646&l4=0
>
> HTH,
> I.
>
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Fri Nov 14 00:03:05 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:03:05 -0600
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811131312s68df1eb1kc5044b5f21f88c69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>	<24053373.ApPTcQ7gPu@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811131312s68df1eb1kc5044b5f21f88c69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491CC039.7060106@swbell.net>

Knapp wrote:
> Motherboards have beep codes. I hope these are the right ones for your
> board. Shocked no one beat me to this bit of info.
> http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/awardbeep.htm
>   
In all my years messing with computers I never knew about tis site. 
Would have come in handy a time or two. No one's fault but my own. I 
just never thought to look for something like this. Thanks

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From tycho at tycho.ws  Fri Nov 14 00:38:25 2008
From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:38:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>
	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0811131818560.10772@mittens>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:

> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for
> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.

Looks to me like there's both. The fan pins should be just above the CD
pins.

> two other places where there are pins for fans, they are identified as
> 'pwr_fan and cha_fan They are flush with eachother and each has only 3
> pins. The Heat Sink connector has places for 4 pins.

Those are standard 12V fan pins. It really shouldnt (at least, in older
models and cheap motherboards, I don't know about the newfangled fancy
ASUS ones ;-) matter which place you plug which fan into. If your
heatsink fan has four pins, clearly this isn't the place.

> I am concerned about plugging to the pins marked CD, even though they
> are 4 pin, because I don't know what damage I could do, if they weren't
> fan pins.

The pins labeled CD are for an out from your optical drive (if
you still have one). This used to be useful when controllers were very
slow, as it provided direct access to the onboard sound card, speeding
things up a bit. I'm not sure what will happen if you plug your fan into
this, but it won't be what you want.

> Other than those, if there are any other fan pins on the
> motherboard, I am too bleary-eyed to see them.  I am being so careful,
> it is giving me a headache.  Thanks! for the help!

A few questions (maybe you already answered these earlier, if so,
sorry):

1. Is the light labeled SB_PWR (standby power) on when there's power
applied to the motherboard?

2. Since the chipset fan requires a four pin connector and the one for
the CPU is already used up (I assume), if you're really worried about
it, some computer shops sell adapters for fans. For example, in my case,
there's not enough 3 pin connectors for case fans, so I have a splitter
which provides another 3 pin connecter. It connects to the big 4 pin
power connector for my optical drive. This way, you can make sure the
chipset fan is on as well.

Some motherboards will check to make sure all of the fans are connected
and running before booting up, and won't boot if the fans aren't
connected properly (I think mine does this). Take a closer look at your
motherboard manual to see if yours is the same way. If that's the case,
you'll probably need to investigate how to hook up the fans so that the
motherboard is happy. This can sometimes be a pain, but ASUS boards are
generally documented well.

HTH,
Tycho



From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Fri Nov 14 00:39:56 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:39:56 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811131939.57748.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Thursday 13 November 2008 15:25:14 Steven Vollom wrote:
> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I 
> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left 
> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that 
> came with the case.
> 
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
> 
> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot 
> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as 
> follows:
> 
> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
> 
> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
> 
> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW & 
> Floppy Drive
> 
> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
> 
> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that 
> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
> 
> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
> on-board sound 8.1.
> 
> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal 
> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the 
> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
> 
> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
> 
> Steven
> 

1 - Check cables (all cables inside) (disconnect, check polarity, reconnect)

2 - retry


-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Fri Nov 14 00:42:02 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:42:02 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C989E.1040108@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811131237k3b326ac0oeeb89548ca700d70@mail.gmail.com>
	<491C989E.1040108@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811131942.03462.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Thursday 13 November 2008 16:14:06 Steven Vollom wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/11/13 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> >   
> >> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I
> >> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left
> >> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that
> >> came with the case.
> >>
> >> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a
> >> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and
> >> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
> >>
> >> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot
> >> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as
> >> follows:
> >>
> >> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
> >> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
> >> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
> >>
> >> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
> >>
> >> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW &
> >> Floppy Drive
> >>
> >> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
> >>
> >> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that
> >> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
> >>
> >> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using
> >> on-board sound 8.1.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal
> >> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the
> >> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
> >>
> >> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
> >>
> >> Steven
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > I have seen motherboards that will not turn on the processor fan
> > immediately, but my two ASUS machines both turn the fan on right away.
> > You are correct about the instant heat of the processor, but that is
> > only a problem if there is no heat sink (yes, I've done that but only
> > on purpose). With the heat sink you have enough time to boot into BIOS
> > and look at the CPU temp. If it goes over 40 and there is still no fan
> > then shut it down. You've got an AMD processor so there is less worry
> > of overheating it than with an Intel.
> >
> > Now, why isn't the fan coming on? Check that the wires are secure (on
> > both ends) and that they are not damaged.
> I checked the connection on the motherboard.  The other end is connected 
> inside the fan assembly; how do I check that end?  Nothing appears damaged.
> >  Be certain that it is
> > plugged into the right place- sometimes it can be misleading.
> I assembled from the User Guide.  I am confident it is the correct 
> place.  On the motherboard it says CPU_F under the pins. 
> >  Download
> > the user manual for your motherboard if need be, they are easy to find
> > on the ASUS website.
> >
> > Also, are you sure that you have not swapped the PSU's 20-to24 pin
> > adaptor with the bumblebee connector? Both are 2x2 square and although
> > the plastic is shaped to prevent confusing them, they can _still_ be
> > swapped accidentally on most motherboards as the tolerances are so
> > loose. The 2x2 connector with only black and yellow wires (bumblebee)
> > is the separate one.
> >   
> My power supply bound the 20 and 4 pin connectors together so you can't 
> make that error.
> 
> Thanks for the quick reply.  I turned the computer off as soon as I 
> noticed the fan wasn't running, so with your explanation, I am more at ease.
> 
> 

check for the polarity, a little notch.

-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Fri Nov 14 00:46:11 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:46:11 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811131946.12279.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Thursday 13 November 2008 15:25:14 Steven Vollom wrote:
> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I 
> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left 
> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that 
> came with the case.
> 
> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
> 
> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot 
> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as 
> follows:
> 
> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
> 
> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
> 
> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW & 
> Floppy Drive
> 
> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
> 
> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that 
> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
> 
> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
> on-board sound 8.1.
> 
> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal 
> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the 
> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
> 
> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
> 
> Steven
> 

You can check also the BIOS setup, to see if fan speed is fixed or variable.

My motherboard have the option, and on cold, the fan is off.


-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From wayward4now at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 00:54:03 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:54:03 -0500
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <491C3465.1010603@gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<15edeae40811120212t1d9c9d46uf7462c0f327b79a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<48cc00830811120248v126abbebk8fcfa358d4ab800b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811122113.27750.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<15edeae40811120340l6e1e133dy23753155a73a169b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1226542796.7773.314.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
	<491C3465.1010603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226624043.22734.51.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>

On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 16:06 +0200, Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 13:40 +0200, Willy Hamra wrote:
> >> On 12/11/2008, Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:48:13 pm Jussi Kekkonen wrote:
> >>>> sorry for replying in this ugly way but... can you point out how
> >>>> nvidia is not working well with kde4/qt4 ? It works perfectly here by
> >>>> any meters except minor bitmap buffer issue
> >>> Same here, very minor bitmap issues in the taskbar and I have full desktop
> >>> effects on.
> >>>
> >>> I did in Advanced Compositing Options turn "Direct Rendering" and "Use VSync
> >>> off" and "Trilinear" to "Best Quality"
> >>>
> >> lindsay, i have a geforce 7300LE with 256 MB of vram, and up to 512 MB.
> >> i use these same settings, but the glitches are horrible :S
> > 
> > Willy, I had a ton of problems with the nv driver, as it only does 2D.
> > No openGL unless you use software to supply libGL. Then it's slow and
> > buggy as all get out. Just maybe an upgrade snuck it back on your
> > system?? Could happen, it wouldn't be the first time either.
> > 
> > First, it you have the nVidia X server settings on your "settings -
> > xVidia X server settings" click on it and poke at "X Screen 0" then
> > "Open GL/GLX information" where you should see GLX Information" followed
> > by "Direct Rendering - Yes" and "GLX Extensions: " with a scroll of
> > options on and working. If you're not seeing what I'm seeing here, then
> > something is indeed broken. 
> > 
> > I would be willing to bet that your system is running xv instead of the
> > real deal. That happen to me running Fedora and I about tore my hair out
> > reconfiguring xorg.conf before I caught on to the swap out. I think Gene
> > ran into the problem about the same time. I am running kernel
> > 2.6.24-16-generic.
> > nVidia driver #173.14.12
> >  
> 
> i'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to the graphic card
> requirements of linux systems. or even know what my graphic card support
> of them :S i'm more knowledgeable in direct x requirements, and the
> different shader models required by windows games :P
> 
> so basically nv does only 2d? i'm sure i have nv, not the open-sourced
> nvidia or xv. so if nv doesn't provide 3d, then wha's different between
> nv and nvidia, i thought nv has more functions than nvidia? :-S
> 
> i see the Open GL/GLX information, and i can see direct rendering set to
> yes, and a lot of GLX extensions.

The open source nv driver lacks the hardware support which is held proprietary within nVidia, Inc. 
They do release and maintain their own linux driver which is a binary,
not "open source" and quite frankly a Devil's Bargain to use it. Of
course I use it as I want my hardware to work. It sure sounds like
something is enabled there on your machine, though. I guess you could
crank up adept manager and search on nvidia to see what you do have
installed. What I think you want to have is envyNG installed. It will
grab the best package for you and install it for you. Warning, it can be
fraught with peril at times, when it re-writes /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
and makes a mistake, so you will want to back it up first. If it blows
up, you need only copy the original file back to xorg.conf. 

Whoops, sorry I meant nv when I wrote xv, my old roots are showing.
Hopefully others will chime in with some advice to balance against my
own, just so you get it right the first time. Ric


-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
https://nuoar.dev.java.net/
Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987




From wayward4now at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 01:07:30 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:07:30 -0500
Subject: Sorry, I give up to preach *ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <491C5A6E.7070007@gmail.com>
References: <36135600811062252r3482b8edi4d70a50edd768743@mail.gmail.com>
	<1226542796.7773.314.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>
	<491C3465.1010603@gmail.com> <200811131548.59417.kassube@gmx.net>
	<491C5A6E.7070007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226624850.22734.55.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>

On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 18:48 +0200, Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
> > Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> >> so basically nv does only 2d? i'm sure i have nv, not the open-sourced
> >> nvidia or xv. so if nv doesn't provide 3d, then wha's different between
> >> nv and nvidia, i thought nv has more functions than nvidia? :-S
> > 
> > The open source driver is named "nv" and AFAIK only supports 2d while the 
> > closed source one is named "nvidia" and supports 3d.
> > 
> 
> ah ok, sorry, i got mixed up. i thought nv is the proprietary. i just
> checked my xorg.conf, and i see i'm using the proprietary, nvidia. does
> it have some limitatios? i use it with having in mind that it supports
> whatever i need in linux. is this the case? is there some acceleration,
> some extension, some very basic render option that is usually required
> and missing from nvidia?

Nope, nothing missing. They built the card, they know what hooks up
where better than anybody. Try this, google on xorf.conf nvidia and your
model number. You'll see what problems others have had with your own
board and what they added or modified within the xorg.conf file to
enable all the features. My board is older than yours, so my file
wouldn't be of much use to you. Google and see what others have done to
theirs. Ric

-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
https://nuoar.dev.java.net/
Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:20:16 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:20:16 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811131312s68df1eb1kc5044b5f21f88c69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>	<24053373.ApPTcQ7gPu@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811131312s68df1eb1kc5044b5f21f88c69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491CD250.8020904@sbcglobal.net>

Knapp wrote:
> Motherboards have beep codes. I hope these are the right ones for your
> board. Shocked no one beat me to this bit of info.
> http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/awardbeep.htm
>   
Thanks!



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:21:59 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:21:59 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811131357s5ed69997o746091a0ba39dc3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <gfi4ha$19k$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<880dece00811131357s5ed69997o746091a0ba39dc3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491CD2B7.9060006@sbcglobal.net>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/13 Eberhard Roloff <tuxebi at gmx.de>:
>   
>> there is no need to worry. As has been said, you practically cannot burn
>> a modern CPU, since they shutdwon before overheating. This applies to
>> AMD as well as Intel.
>>
>>     
>
> I don't know about this. I've seen a CoreDuo burn up at ~~ 80 degrees
> on a Foxconn motherboard. I personally have fried a Pentium 4 at only
> 72 degrees. (My personal best is 108 C on an AMD Duron, it ran for
> over a year after that before I replaced the system)
>
>   
If AMD is the choice, my processor is a Phenom Quad by AMD



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:26:09 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:26:09 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <200811132317.03464.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811132317.03464.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
Message-ID: <491CD3B1.8080608@sbcglobal.net>

Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Thursday 13 November 2008 21:25, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I
>> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left
>> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that
>> came with the case.
>>
>> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a
>> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and
>> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>>
>> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot
>> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as
>> follows:
>>
>> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
>> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
>> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
>>
>> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
>>
>> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW &
>> Floppy Drive
>>
>> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
>>
>> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that
>> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
>>
>> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using
>> on-board sound 8.1.
>>
>> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal
>> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the
>> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
>>
>> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
>>
>> Steven
>>     
>
> I'd always thought that a single beep showed that the POST (power on self 
> test) , had run to completion, with no problems. I don't know your mobo, but 
> it's possible that the cpu fan doesn't start until a specific temperature is 
> reached. I'm only guessing, but it may be worth letting the machine run for a 
> bit longer, and see if the fan starts. As others have said, there are 
> safeguards in place, so as to shut down the machine in the case of 
> overheating of the cpu.
>   
Thanks Nigel, I think I will try that.  Most of the advice is similar.  
I have been so careful with the installation, I just can't see how I 
made a mistake.  I have at least Quadruple checked everything, so if 
there is a problem, I am pretty sure I have a new product failure of 
some kind.
> Just some thoughts.
>
> Nigel.
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:26:57 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:26:57 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811131417q695d40capcdb8ca672d4d5ac2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<491C924C.3070004@yahoo.com>	<491CA505.8020907@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811131417q695d40capcdb8ca672d4d5ac2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491CD3E1.3030904@sbcglobal.net>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
>   
>>> The beep usually means (from my experience, anyway) that some hardware
>>> component is not correctly installed.
>>>       
>> My existing system has a beep when it boots.  Is it possible that is
>> what the beep is about on the new system?
>>     
>
> A single beep means that the system passed the POST test on every
> system that I've ever used. And I've built a lot of ASUS boxen. If all
> you hear is a single beep, that means that the NB hardware (PCI cards,
> video interfaces, memory) is installed correctly.
>
>   
Thanks Dotan.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:31:41 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:31:41 -0500
Subject: SOLVED !EMERGENCY! SOLVED
Message-ID: <491CD4FD.8080404@sbcglobal.net>

Thanks to all of you.  The consensus is compelling.  I was very 
concerned and this Forum came to my aid in an incredible way.  I think I 
am taking too much of the bandwidth with my problem now.  I am currently 
booting the computer.  I am going to wait for perhaps 10 or 15 minutes 
to pass.  If it doesn't seem to be overheating or if the fan comes on, I 
will assume that the Fan is on a temperature sensor.  In any event, I am 
not so worried anymore.

The response to my email is the reason I love this forum so mush.  
Everyone is always so careful and helpful and responsive to the concerns 
of the group.  You are all great.  Thanks again!!!!!

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:34:25 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:34:25 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491CAC1A.60601@yahoo.it>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
	<491CAC1A.60601@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <491CD5A1.2080108@sbcglobal.net>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>>> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
>>>> on-board sound 8.1.
>>>>
>>>>         
>
>   
>> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for 
>> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.  
>>     
>
> I might be wrong but that sounds more like the CD input to the onboard 
> sound than pins for a fan (also the fact that there are four pins goes 
> with the cd idea; usually the audio cables to connect cdroms have four 
> pins, but the cheap ones I've always used have one empty). If that's the 
> case, plugging the fan there should have no effect whatsoever.
> HTH,
> I.
>
>
>   
Does that mean I should try it?  The fact is that the manual for the 
motherboard says it is for a fan.  It just doesn't seem right that it 
should identify as CD.  I have pause, because maybe they have improved 
the board and made a change. 



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:39:43 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:39:43 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>
	<491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <491CD6DF.8060801@sbcglobal.net>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>   
>> 2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
>>     
>>> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for
>>> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.  There are
>>> two other places where there are pins for fans, they are identified as
>>> 'pwr_fan and cha_fan They are flush with eachother and each has only 3
>>> pins.  The Heat Sink connector has places for 4 pins.  If I were to try
>>> to plug to the pwr_fan, I would have to leave the empty pin on the left
>>> in open space, because if I put it on the right it would occupy one of
>>> the pins of cha_fan. If I tried to plug to the cha_fan pins, there is
>>> not enough room to the right of the pins to have overhang, and to the
>>> left it would occupy one of the pwr_fan pins.  I hope that wasn't too
>>> confusing.
>>>
>>> I am concerned about plugging to the pins marked CD, even though they
>>> are 4 pin, because I don't know what damage I could do, if they weren't
>>> fan pins.  Other than those, if there are any other fan pins on the
>>> motherboard, I am too bleary-eyed to see them.  I am being so careful,
>>> it is giving me a headache.  Thanks! for the help!
>>>       
>>>>  just for a few seconds to see if
>>>> the fan will run or not. if yes, the plug might be having a problem, if
>>>> no, you need to check the fan, see if it's cables are intact, etc..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>> Please provide a link to the user manual of your motherboard.
>>     
I have been working from the original that came with the motherboard.  
ASUS M3N-HT Delux Series page 2-32 says it is a CHA_FAN2.  It shows only 
3 pins on the manual, but it has 4 pins on the board and says CD.  If 
CD's use 4 pins, they probably made a change in the manual and didn't 
change the literature.
>>     
>
> Browsing this link and other on the web, I have the impression the 
> "quieter" bit is achieved by keeping fans off unless needed, as someone 
> already suggested:
>
> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2097&l1=3&l2=149&l3=646&l4=0
>
> HTH,
> I.
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:43:13 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:43:13 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491CB868.4040505@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491CB868.4040505@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491CD7B1.7060107@sbcglobal.net>

jerry wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
>> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
>> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
> I also recently built a new computer. I did not use the Asus mb or AMD 
> cpu etc.
> When I did my first powerup I also nearly had a heart attack because the 
> lights came on and the case fans spun up and the cpu fan did not start 
> immediately as I expected. Then after about 3 seconds it did start up 
> and then shut down again. I cold not turn it off fast enough fearing the 
> same outcome as you expressed.
>
> I did recheck all my connections and I did recall hearing 1 beep. I 
> expect 1 beep to be the normal startup signal. So after I was convinced 
> that everything was properly connected I held my breath, crossed my 
> fingers, said a very sincere prayer, and powered up again. It started up 
> in the exact same way and I resisted the fear and let the computer 
> startup. In another 3 seconds the cpu fan started up a second time and 
> continued to run. It ran fine.
>
> It seems my rig after I have powered off the mb will start, stop and 
> restart the cpu fan. It was all new to me and there was nothing in the 
> manual to warn me about this.
>
> Your mileage may vary and I don't want to encourage you to do anything 
> that may damage your computer.
> You could try to google for the problem (e,g, cpu 1 beep no cpu fan) or 
> post to a news group that answers questions about building pcs like     
> alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt.
>   
I have already exhausted a google search without confident results.  I 
am going to take the advice of those who assure me that the processor 
will auto-shut off and give it several minutes of test drive.  I will do 
this after I answer all the attempts for help.  Thanks to you.  Isn't 
this the best forum ever?
> Good luck
>
> Jerry
>
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:50:12 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:50:12 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0811131818560.10772@mittens>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811131818560.10772@mittens>
Message-ID: <491CD954.5080208@sbcglobal.net>

Tycho Andersen wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for
>> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.
>>     
>
> Looks to me like there's both. The fan pins should be just above the CD
> pins.
>   
Not so.  Only one set of pins and marked CD.
>   
>> two other places where there are pins for fans, they are identified as
>> 'pwr_fan and cha_fan They are flush with eachother and each has only 3
>> pins. The Heat Sink connector has places for 4 pins.
>>     
>
> Those are standard 12V fan pins. It really shouldnt (at least, in older
> models and cheap motherboards, I don't know about the newfangled fancy
> ASUS ones ;-) matter which place you plug which fan into. If your
> heatsink fan has four pins, clearly this isn't the place.
>   
The heat sink has 4 pins.  By the way, I have never had anything this 
nice.  It is fancy, but it came with an 8 series nVidia Gforce video, 
incredible technical capabilities once running, and a terrific 8.1 sound 
on board.  It seemed a terrific deal for $170 shipping included.  If you 
see it up close, it looks more fancy than it's pic's.  Gold print and 
decorations on the copper.  And it is solid.  I am pretty fortunate to 
get it if it holds out to be good.  I am working a problem with it new, 
and still probably recommend it.  Go figure.
>   
>> I am concerned about plugging to the pins marked CD, even though they
>> are 4 pin, because I don't know what damage I could do, if they weren't
>> fan pins.
>>     
>
> The pins labeled CD are for an out from your optical drive (if
> you still have one). This used to be useful when controllers were very
> slow, as it provided direct access to the onboard sound card, speeding
> things up a bit. I'm not sure what will happen if you plug your fan into
> this, but it won't be what you want.
>
>   
>> Other than those, if there are any other fan pins on the
>> motherboard, I am too bleary-eyed to see them.  I am being so careful,
>> it is giving me a headache.  Thanks! for the help!
>>     
>
> A few questions (maybe you already answered these earlier, if so,
> sorry):
>
> 1. Is the light labeled SB_PWR (standby power) on when there's power
> applied to the motherboard?
>
> 2. Since the chipset fan requires a four pin connector and the one for
> the CPU is already used up (I assume), if you're really worried about
> it, some computer shops sell adapters for fans. For example, in my case,
> there's not enough 3 pin connectors for case fans, so I have a splitter
> which provides another 3 pin connecter. It connects to the big 4 pin
> power connector for my optical drive. This way, you can make sure the
> chipset fan is on as well.
>
> Some motherboards will check to make sure all of the fans are connected
> and running before booting up, and won't boot if the fans aren't
> connected properly (I think mine does this). Take a closer look at your
> motherboard manual to see if yours is the same way. If that's the case,
> you'll probably need to investigate how to hook up the fans so that the
> motherboard is happy. This can sometimes be a pain, but ASUS boards are
> generally documented well.
>
> HTH,
> Tycho
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:54:10 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:54:10 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <200811131942.03462.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811131237k3b326ac0oeeb89548ca700d70@mail.gmail.com>	<491C989E.1040108@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811131942.03462.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <491CDA42.5080007@sbcglobal.net>


>>
>>     
>
> check for the polarity, a little notch.
>   
Everything has a notch or something to keep a person from making a 
mistake.  Even the lcd power and on/off button lights and such have been 
made so you see the matching information on the pin and on the pin you 
attach to, so you just put like with like.  Even I seem to be able to 
follow the instructions.  I don't have a single concern about following 
the instructions properly.  They were stupid proof, perfect for me.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 01:59:05 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:59:05 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <200811131946.12279.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811131946.12279.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <491CDB69.5090802@sbcglobal.net>

Martin Laberge wrote:
> On Thursday 13 November 2008 15:25:14 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I just put together my new computer.  I have never built one before.  I 
>> got to the point where the power is supposed to be turned on.  I left 
>> the side off the computer to adjust fan speed on two of the fans that 
>> came with the case.
>>
>> When I turned the computer on, the case fans came on.  There was a 
>> single beep.  Nonetheless the fan on the heat sink did not come on, and 
>> it is fixed to the power post of the motherboard that was made for it.
>>
>> I shut down the computer because I believe the processor creates a lot 
>> of instant heat, but I don't know what to do next.  My components are as 
>> follows:
>>
>> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Mempipe
>> Processor is AMD Phenom Quad Black Box 9600
>> Power supply is BFG Tech ATX12Volt  ES Series
>>
>> Two Maxtor 500gb SATA HD's.
>>
>> The case fans are connected to the Power Cable that goes to the DVDRW & 
>> Floppy Drive
>>
>> The heat sink fan goes directly to the motherboard.
>>
>> All the components are new.  The case did not come with a speaker that 
>> would indicate the beeps that advise problems.
>>
>> I am using the on-board Video, 8400 Gforce for now; also I am using 
>> on-board sound 8.1.
>>
>> Does anyone know if the fan over the Heat Sink not being on is normal 
>> when first turning the computer on?  It took me a year to assemble the 
>> components for my new computer; I can't afford to burn anything up.
>>
>> I am very worried.  Could someone who knows please respond?
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
>
> You can check also the BIOS setup, to see if fan speed is fixed or variable.
>
> My motherboard have the option, and on cold, the fan is off.
>   
I haven't even tried to boot with the monitor connected.  At first, I 
was just turning the system on because I was to that point in 
installation.  I wanted to see how noisy the case fans were; there were 
three speeds to choose from.  They turned on OK, but I noticed the Heat 
Sink fan not turning; that concerned me.  Somewhere I heard that without 
proper cooling these Quad cores heat very fast.  I can't believe the 
help I am getting.  I am very grateful.  I do know that the motherboard 
does control fan speed on all fans.  You have to configure that, but it 
is available for all fans.  I plan to do that once set up with the OS 
installed.  I just don't want to move before I am sure I can't hurt 
anything.  I am almost there, right now.  Most everyone is in 
agreement.  Thanks for taking the time to help me.  I was really 
concerned when it first happened.  Not so more anymore.
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 02:55:57 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:55:57 -0500
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
Message-ID: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>

I have booted the computer and left it running for more than half an 
hour.  Although the heat sink fan is still not spinning, the computer is 
running quiet; nothing seems to be heating up.  I put my finger on cool 
components.

My new monitor should be here tomorrow so I can get the bios set up and 
new OS hopefully installed.  So far it appears the build is just fine.  
Thanks again to all who helped.

Steven



From aprestn5 at telus.net  Fri Nov 14 06:33:24 2008
From: aprestn5 at telus.net (Alastair Preston)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:33:24 -0700
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1789.1226620542.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
References: <mailman.1789.1226620542.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <200811132333.24202.aprestn5@telus.net>


> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:16:39 +0000
> From: Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it>
> Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <491CB557.3090504 at yahoo.it>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> >> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for
> >> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.  There are
> >> two other places where there are pins for fans, they are identified as
> >> 'pwr_fan and cha_fan They are flush with eachother and each has only 3
> >> pins.  The Heat Sink connector has places for 4 pins.  If I were to try
> >> to plug to the pwr_fan, I would have to leave the empty pin on the left
> >> in open space, because if I put it on the right it would occupy one of
> >> the pins of cha_fan. If I tried to plug to the cha_fan pins, there is
> >> not enough room to the right of the pins to have overhang, and to the
> >> left it would occupy one of the pwr_fan pins.  I hope that wasn't too
> >> confusing.
> >>
> >> I am concerned about plugging to the pins marked CD, even though they
> >> are 4 pin, because I don't know what damage I could do, if they weren't
> >> fan pins.  Other than those, if there are any other fan pins on the
> >> motherboard, I am too bleary-eyed to see them.  I am being so careful,
> >> it is giving me a headache.  Thanks! for the help!
> >>
> >>>  just for a few seconds to see if
> >>> the fan will run or not. if yes, the plug might be having a problem, if
> >>> no, you need to check the fan, see if it's cables are intact, etc..
> >
> > Please provide a link to the user manual of your motherboard.
>
> Browsing this link and other on the web, I have the impression the
> "quieter" bit is achieved by keeping fans off unless needed, as someone
> already suggested:
>
> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2097&l1=3&l2=149&l3=646
>&l4=0
>
> HTH,
> I.
>
>
The motherboard manual at the above link shows that the CPU fan connector is 
up by the first MEMORY slot, not by the PCI slots - it's also visible on the 
photo on the site. The connectors by the PCI slots are shown as Chassis fan 
and CD .

Hope this helps...



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 08:27:04 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:27:04 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>
	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>
	<491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <880dece00811140027x30002178y7c71e74da2567b5d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/14 Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it>:
> Browsing this link and other on the web, I have the impression the
> "quieter" bit is achieved by keeping fans off unless needed, as someone
> already suggested:
>
> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2097&l1=3&l2=149&l3=646&l4=0
>

For that motherboard the CPU fan is the one near the memory. Plug into
the three connectors furthest from the memory.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 08:30:57 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:30:57 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491CD6DF.8060801@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>
	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>
	<491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it> <491CD6DF.8060801@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811140030s533b9c3bkd7eec67f9e129800@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> I have been working from the original that came with the motherboard.
> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Series page 2-32 says it is a CHA_FAN2.  It shows only
> 3 pins on the manual, but it has 4 pins on the board and says CD.  If
> CD's use 4 pins, they probably made a change in the manual and didn't
> change the literature.

cha_fan is a chassis fan, not a CPU fan. The four-pin CPU fan is
backwards compatible with 3-pin fans, look for the bulge where the
plastic connector goes.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From tuxebi at gmx.de  Fri Nov 14 10:35:47 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:35:47 +0100
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0811131818560.10772@mittens>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811131818560.10772@mittens>
Message-ID: <gfjka3$cl$1@ger.gmane.org>

Tycho Andersen wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> 
>> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for
>> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.
> 
> Looks to me like there's both. The fan pins should be just above the CD
> pins.
> 
>> two other places where there are pins for fans, they are identified as
>> 'pwr_fan and cha_fan They are flush with eachother and each has only 3
>> pins. The Heat Sink connector has places for 4 pins.
> 
> Those are standard 12V fan pins. It really shouldnt (at least, in older
> models and cheap motherboards, I don't know about the newfangled fancy
> ASUS ones ;-) matter which place you plug which fan into. If your
> heatsink fan has four pins, clearly this isn't the place.

Aktually this is not fully correct. While any fan will most probably 
work at any plug, nowadays, most people are looking for silent 
computing. And pwr- and case/chassis- fanconnectors usually are NOT 
fancontrolled, i.e. the fans connected there are constantly running at 
their highest speeds.

This is most probably nothing that you want for your CPU fan.

On a side note, if you connect a 3pin fan to a 4pin motherboard fan 
connector, the same applies. This will operate the fan without fan control.


> 2. Since the chipset fan requires a four pin connector and the one for
> the CPU is already used up (I assume), if you're really worried about
> it, some computer shops sell adapters for fans. For example, in my case,
> there's not enough 3 pin connectors for case fans, so I have a splitter
> which provides another 3 pin connecter. It connects to the big 4 pin
> power connector for my optical drive. This way, you can make sure the
> chipset fan is on as well.
This will be very useful to test, whether your cpu fan is actually 
working, since this will operate your fan directly from the PSU, 
completely surpassing the motherboard.


Again, when you are looking for low noise, I would not recommend to use 
this approach for any length of time or you will need an independantly 
operating fan control, in between.

Otoh, if you are connecting more fans, than having fan connectors on the 
motherboard, you will most likely not need any fan control at all. ;-))

Kind regards
Eberhard





From tuxebi at gmx.de  Fri Nov 14 10:45:40 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:45:40 +0100
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I have booted the computer and left it running for more than half an 
> hour.  Although the heat sink fan is still not spinning, the computer is 
> running quiet; nothing seems to be heating up.  I put my finger on cool 
> components.
> 
> My new monitor should be here tomorrow so I can get the bios set up and 
> new OS hopefully installed.  So far it appears the build is just fine.  
> Thanks again to all who helped.
> 
> Steven
> 
Steven,

I am glad that it is running so nicely and on low temperature, now.

Maybe you are operating to many fans within your case, so that the cpu 
cooler gets a fair amount of cool air, so that the CPU fan does not need 
to spin?

Anyway, I would recommend you to install lmsensors and ksensors, since 
this will probably (i.e. if your chipset is supported by lmsensors) 
allow you to monitor your temperatures from within the running KDE session.

Kind regards

Eberhard




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Nov 14 11:01:42 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:01:42 -0500
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net> <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811140601.42700.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 14 November 2008, Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>Steven Vollom wrote:
>> I have booted the computer and left it running for more than half an
>> hour.  Although the heat sink fan is still not spinning, the computer is
>> running quiet; nothing seems to be heating up.  I put my finger on cool
>> components.
>>
>> My new monitor should be here tomorrow so I can get the bios set up and
>> new OS hopefully installed.  So far it appears the build is just fine.
>> Thanks again to all who helped.
>>
>> Steven
>
>Steven,
>
>I am glad that it is running so nicely and on low temperature, now.
>
>Maybe you are operating to many fans within your case, so that the cpu
>cooler gets a fair amount of cool air, so that the CPU fan does not need
>to spin?
>
>Anyway, I would recommend you to install lmsensors and ksensors, since
>this will probably (i.e. if your chipset is supported by lmsensors)
>allow you to monitor your temperatures from within the running KDE session.
>
I personally am a great fan of gkrellm.  Live, on all screens monitoring.


>Kind regards
>
>Eberhard



-- 
Cheers, Gene
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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From tuxebi at gmx.de  Fri Nov 14 11:40:01 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:40:01 +0100
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811140601.42700.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net> <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811140601.42700.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <gfjo2k$c4n$1@ger.gmane.org>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 14 November 2008, Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>> I have booted the computer and left it running for more than half an
>>> hour.  Although the heat sink fan is still not spinning, the computer is
>>> running quiet; nothing seems to be heating up.  I put my finger on cool
>>> components.
>>>
>>> My new monitor should be here tomorrow so I can get the bios set up and
>>> new OS hopefully installed.  So far it appears the build is just fine.
>>> Thanks again to all who helped.
>>>
>>> Steven
>> Steven,
>>
>> I am glad that it is running so nicely and on low temperature, now.
>>
>> Maybe you are operating to many fans within your case, so that the cpu
>> cooler gets a fair amount of cool air, so that the CPU fan does not need
>> to spin?
>>
>> Anyway, I would recommend you to install lmsensors and ksensors, since
>> this will probably (i.e. if your chipset is supported by lmsensors)
>> allow you to monitor your temperatures from within the running KDE session.
>>
> I personally am a great fan of gkrellm.  Live, on all screens monitoring.
> 
Sure, and indeed, it is so much nicer. There are others, as well.
I just thought that a KDE application would be the app of choice.

Basically any frontend will do. Just be sure that you are able to 
monitor your cpu temperatures.

Kind regards

Eberhard




From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk  Fri Nov 14 11:52:00 2008
From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:52:00 +0000
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811140601.42700.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net> <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
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> I personally am a great fan of gkrellm.  Live, on all screens monitoring.

I second, and third that. One of my favourite apps of all time.

Don't let the g'ness fool you, it integrates just fine into KDE and 
takes almost zero CPU itself (unlike many others I've tried along the way).

I suggest you also install the additional skins, the default is (IMO) 
far from the best. I favor the 'invisible' one...

Chris



From AmbergerTh at yahoo.de  Fri Nov 14 13:33:33 2008
From: AmbergerTh at yahoo.de (Thomas Amberger)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:33:33 +0100
Subject: File open with
Message-ID: <200811141433.34010.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de>

Hello,

is it possible, to add a prog to the dialog "open with" when I do a right 
mouseklick on EVERY file?

I tryed to add a hexeditor in the systemsetting->file->all files->action but 
always systemsetting crashes (Kubuntu, kde4). The same happens when I opens 
the dialog in the Konqueror->settings->file .. .

Is there a other way to add a prog that fits for all file?

Thanks

Thomas





From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 15:03:42 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:03:42 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <2821990.nrqOlqFxmr@cedar.serverforest.com>
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On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:

> Francisco Borges wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Derek Broughton
> > <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:
> >
> >> Steven Vollom wrote:
> >>
> >> > What I heard was that Kubuntu had more configuration problems.
> >>
> >> I believe you heard wrong :-)
> >>
> >
> > I beg to differ.
> >
> > At some point, the brightness keys of my laptop stopped working on
> > KDE, but they still worked on Gnome.
>
> All _my_ extra keys work fine.
>

I am glad for you. My keys don't work.

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/218889

This bug had been confirmed, the problem is that it has been marked (just as
so many others) as a duplicate of another bug which however is not the same
as the original... I simply did not have the time to keep up with it. I must
admit.

In any case, when I filed in, the keys worked on Gnome but not on KDE.

This was joined on a large bug which encompasses Gnome and KDE, though only
Gnome seems to be listed latelly:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/207473

Despite the bug being marked "fix released" for Hardy, people keep reporting
the problem on Intrepid.


> > I used to use bluetooth to transfer files. Guess what? Kubuntu 8.10
> > dropped bluetooth support (as KDE4 still doesn't support it).
>
> Funny?  I was offered two different methods for Bluetooth.  I can't
> guarantee either work, as I don't have any BT devices, but the _support_
> is certainly offered in Kubuntu 8.10 and KDE 4.
>

Exactly you can't guarantee neither works. So despite not knowing what you
are talking about, you chose to disregard the opnion of users who actually
use BT. Very, hum, lets say "unbiased".

As I said, Kubuntu 8.10 dropped support for it:
"Bluetooth is not supported in Kubuntu 8.10 because bla bla bla...."
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidReleaseNotes#Kubuntu%20Bluetooth%20support


>
> > These are just two examples, but as a whole, there is way more testing
> > and validation of the Ubuntu desktop environment than Kubuntu's KDE.
>
> Sorry, I'm just not buying it.


Oh please, don't "buy it". Just read the bug reports.

-- 
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 15:14:14 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:14:14 -0500
Subject: kpf (http file sharing) in KDE 4
Message-ID: <200811141014.14813.art.alexion@gmail.com>

I may be one of the few people who depend on kpf as a light duty file share 
and simple web server.  I don't see an equivalent in KDE 4, nor a way to run 
it.  Is there a way to run it?  Is there a replacement?
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 14 15:30:00 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:30 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
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Francisco Borges wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Derek Broughton
> <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:
> 
>> Francisco Borges wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Derek Broughton
>> > <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Steven Vollom wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > What I heard was that Kubuntu had more configuration problems.
>> >>
>> >> I believe you heard wrong :-)
>> >>
>> >
>> > I beg to differ.
>> >
>> > At some point, the brightness keys of my laptop stopped working on
>> > KDE, but they still worked on Gnome.
>>
>> All _my_ extra keys work fine.
>>
> 
> I am glad for you. My keys don't work.
> 
>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/218889
> 
> This bug had been confirmed, the problem is that it has been marked
> (just as so many others) as a duplicate of another bug which however
> is not the same as the original... I simply did not have the time to
> keep up with it. I must admit.
> 
> In any case, when I filed in, the keys worked on Gnome but not on KDE.
> 
> This was joined on a large bug which encompasses Gnome and KDE, though
> only Gnome seems to be listed latelly:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/207473

Does that not make my point, though?  This isn't an issue of Gnome 
having fewer configuration problems - it's an issue of your particular 
system having problems.  Others are having the problems in Gnome.  Extra 
keys are always an issue, because they're implemented in numerous 
different ways - but in any case, it's X that recognizes them, not a 
particular desktop.

> Despite the bug being marked "fix released" for Hardy, people keep
> reporting the problem on Intrepid.

I'm sure - I see that all the time.

>> > I used to use bluetooth to transfer files. Guess what? Kubuntu 8.10
>> > dropped bluetooth support (as KDE4 still doesn't support it).
>>
>> Funny?  I was offered two different methods for Bluetooth.  I can't
>> guarantee either work, as I don't have any BT devices, but the
>> _support_ is certainly offered in Kubuntu 8.10 and KDE 4.
>>
> 
> Exactly you can't guarantee neither works. So despite not knowing what
> you are talking about, you chose to disregard the opnion of users who
> actually use BT. Very, hum, lets say "unbiased".

No, you said they had _dropped_ bluetooth support, yet clearly they 
haven't.  I don't need to use it to know the support is still there.  It 
could be buggy as can be - I can't tell that - but it hasn't been 
dropped.

> As I said, Kubuntu 8.10 dropped support for it:
> "Bluetooth is not supported in Kubuntu 8.10 because bla bla bla...."
> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidReleaseNotes#Kubuntu%20Bluetooth%20support
 
I see what you're saying, but it's present on my desktop.  Actual 
existence of software trumps a policy statement.

>> > These are just two examples, but as a whole, there is way more
>> > testing and validation of the Ubuntu desktop environment than
>> > Kubuntu's KDE.
>>
>> Sorry, I'm just not buying it.
> 
> Oh please, don't "buy it". Just read the bug reports.

Heavens!  I'm FILING the bug reports.  I'm not sure how one could make 
any kind of valid comparison between the numbers filed against each 
desktop, but it would be fun to try.  What I'm "not buying" is a blunt 
statement that there is way more testing of the Ubuntu (Gnome) desktop.  
I don't think you can provide any evidence of that.
-- 
derek




From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr  Fri Nov 14 15:53:34 2008
From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:53:34 +0100
Subject: Vlc not playing DVD's on 8.10
Message-ID: <200811141653.35312.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>

Vlc is playing DVD's ok on 7.10, and 8.04, but I'm having problems with it on 
Kubuntu Intrepid 8.10 (all distros on same machine).

When I start vlc, and select media, dvd, and click play, it opens the main 
window, and shows the menu for "The Full Monty". I click on play movie, and 
the window then displays the first frame of the movie, but the video isn't 
running. The seconds are clicking by, but all I see is a static frame, and no 
sound.

If I move the scroll bar to move through the movie, then stop scrolling, I get 
about 1/4 sec of sound, and video, then it stops progressing any further. 
Move the scroll bar again, and stop it further on in the movie, and the same 
thing again, 1/4 sec of sound and video.

I havn't tried reinstalling vlc yet, but wondered if anyone else is seeing 
this sort of thing.

Kubuntu 8.10 is fully updated, and libdvdcss2 is installed. I also installed 
ffmeg, just in case.

I also installed Xine to see if that would play DVD's ok. As a dep it pulled 
in libxine-ffmpeg, and Xine plays the DVD with no problemo.

Any suggestions as to what the problem might be?

btw, it's even worse on Ubuntu 8.10. There, I click on media, then play, and 
the main window opens, and instantly vlc crashes, but that's for another 
thread perhaps.

Any help appreciated.

Nigel.




From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 16:42:18 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:42:18 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <2894947.o6q5bQqobn@cedar.serverforest.com>
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:

> Francisco Borges wrote:
>
> >
> > Exactly you can't guarantee neither works. So despite not knowing what
> > you are talking about, you chose to disregard the opnion of users who
> > actually use BT. Very, hum, lets say "unbiased".
>
> No, you said they had _dropped_ bluetooth support, yet clearly they
> haven't.  I don't need to use it to know the support is still there.  It
> could be buggy as can be - I can't tell that - but it hasn't been
> dropped.
>

There was support previously 8.04, people went ahead and decided to release
8.10 without supporting it, and fully aware of it.

Call it whatever you want.


> > As I said, Kubuntu 8.10 dropped support for it:
> > "Bluetooth is not supported in Kubuntu 8.10 because bla bla bla...."
> >
> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidReleaseNotes#Kubuntu%20Bluetooth%20support
>
> I see what you're saying, but it's present on my desktop.  Actual
> existence of software trumps a policy statement.
>

Who says the software works? Eveybody who looked at it seems to agree that
there is no support whatsoever.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/280997

This bug is marked high priority on KDE bug system, so it really makes me
wonder how you refuse to acknowledge that the bug exists -- despite not even
using BT.


>
> >> > These are just two examples, but as a whole, there is way more
> >> > testing and validation of the Ubuntu desktop environment than
> >> > Kubuntu's KDE.
> >>
> >> Sorry, I'm just not buying it.
> >
> > Oh please, don't "buy it". Just read the bug reports.
>
> Heavens!  I'm FILING the bug reports.  I'm not sure how one could make
> any kind of valid comparison between the numbers filed against each
> desktop, but it would be fun to try.  What I'm "not buying" is a blunt
> statement that there is way more testing of the Ubuntu (Gnome) desktop.
> I don't think you can provide any evidence of that.
>

For one, I thought you were talking about the problems I had mentioned which
you still seem to refuse that exist, despite said bugs in the contrary.

In any case, if you want evidence about better support and QA on Ubuntu:

There are more employes from Cannonical dedicated to QA Ubuntu than K*.
There are way more users of Gnome as well, it pretty much follows that there
should be more users and devs to use the betas, fill reports, and fix bugs.

You can always chose to ignore that.

Have a nice day,
-- 
Francisco
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From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Fri Nov 14 17:01:13 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:01:13 +0000
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
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Francisco Borges wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:
> 
>> Francisco Borges wrote:
>>> As I said, Kubuntu 8.10 dropped support for it:
>>> "Bluetooth is not supported in Kubuntu 8.10 because bla bla bla...."
>>>
>> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidReleaseNotes#Kubuntu%20Bluetooth%20support
>>
>> I see what you're saying, but it's present on my desktop.  Actual
>> existence of software trumps a policy statement.
>>
> 
> Who says the software works? Eveybody who looked at it seems to agree that
> there is no support whatsoever.
> 

Maybe the issue here is the difference between "working" support and 
"bits and pieces that need fixing" support? I guess KDE 4 wants to 
support bluetooth, and all the stuff is just broken now but will work in 
a (short) while?

I.



From arnaud.bourree at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 17:21:41 2008
From: arnaud.bourree at gmail.com (Arnaud bourree)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:21:41 +0100
Subject: File open with
In-Reply-To: <200811141433.34010.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de>
References: <200811141433.34010.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de>
Message-ID: <ac06429e0811140921j7ad7d339y6f0ba3efad1ebecc@mail.gmail.com>

You should take a look on this
page<http://legroom.net/2007/04/20/adding-custom-actions-kde-context-menus>

Arnaud.

2008/11/14 Thomas Amberger <AmbergerTh at yahoo.de>

> Hello,
>
> is it possible, to add a prog to the dialog "open with" when I do a right
> mouseklick on EVERY file?
>
> I tryed to add a hexeditor in the systemsetting->file->all files->action
> but
> always systemsetting crashes (Kubuntu, kde4). The same happens when I opens
> the dialog in the Konqueror->settings->file .. .
>
> Is there a other way to add a prog that fits for all file?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 14 17:44:21 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:44:21 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
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Francisco Borges wrote:

> Who says the software works?

NOBODY.  Nowhere in this thread has anybody suggested there's working 
support.  I just fail to see how you can say that Kubuntu has _dropped_ support while they are rolling it out with whatever buggy software they 
have.
 
> This bug is marked high priority on KDE bug system, so it really makes
> me wonder how you refuse to acknowledge that the bug exists -- despite
> not even using BT.

You're putting words into my mouth that I have never even implied.

>> What I'm "not buying" is a
>> blunt statement that there is way more testing of the Ubuntu (Gnome)
>> desktop. I don't think you can provide any evidence of that.
>>
> 
> For one, I thought you were talking about the problems I had mentioned
> which you still seem to refuse that exist, despite said bugs in the
> contrary.

If you keep making up what I'm saying, I'm going to have start calling you names like "liar".

> In any case, if you want evidence about better support and QA on
> Ubuntu:
> 
> There are more employes from Cannonical dedicated to QA Ubuntu than
> K*. 

So?  There are way more developers, on both Ubuntu and Kubuntu than 
there are Canonical employees.  And the Canonical employees who are 
QA'ing "Ubuntu" are also QAing the common portions of both.

> There are way more users of Gnome as well, it pretty much follows

Citation, please.  It doesn't follow unless you can demonstrate the 
truth of your proposition...

> that there should be more users and devs to use the betas, fill
> reports, and fix bugs.

Even then, it comes down to the activity and technical expertise of that 
user base as to whether that means Ubuntu is better supported.

> You can always chose to ignore that.

You could always choose to actually prove your assertions.
-- 
derek




From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk  Fri Nov 14 17:54:02 2008
From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:54:02 +0000
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
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> Not at all.  I thought I'd explained that "dash" is the default shell 
> used for non-interactive purposes, but that _users_ get "bash".  For 
> you, bash is much more useful, and if you're writing a script and put:
>  #! /bin/bash

Just for the mail archives, that first space should not be there. It 
should be

#! /bin/bash

cheers Chris



From joelol75 at verizon.net  Fri Nov 14 18:22:28 2008
From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:22:28 -0500
Subject: change refresh in 8.10?
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811100249y16156691xe3bccfb795c05eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69c7ddfb0811092235ha4b79f9q867141c806ff3e1a@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <491DC1E4.4090803@verizon.net>

Also... When using nvidia-settings make sure to load in your changes on 
boot time.  It won't automatically do this for you...

For KDE the way I found is to make a script in ~/.kde/Autostart called 
nvidiasettings.sh (or whatever you wish to call it)

#!/bin/sh
# Script to load in Nvidia Settings on X startup
nvidia-settings --load-config-only


Then make sure to:

chmod a+x ~/.kde/Autostart/nvidiasettings.sh

so it is executable.

For Gnome you can simply call it in System>Preferences>Sessions to start




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Fri Nov 14 18:43:33 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:43:33 +0100
Subject: [solved]  Re: KDE 4 upgrades for hardy anyone?
In-Reply-To: <gfh4c2$vpe$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gfh4c2$vpe$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <gfkgsl$8ha$1@ger.gmane.org>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Hi,
> I would like to stay on Hardy since I prefer working with KDE 3.5x.
> It's simply more solid and complete, at least for me.
> 
> Moreover Hardy currently supports my nvidia 7600 excellently, while I 
> have my doubts for intrepid, having heard about so many nvidia 
> nightmares with Intrepid's new X version on the lists.
> 
> However I am interested to explore the latest and greatest KDE 4 stuff
> from time to time in order to make a qualified decision about when it is 
> time to finally swith to 4.x (whatever "x" will be at that time).
> 
> I find Hardy to be stuck with KDE 4.12 while Intrepid is on 4.13 (and 
> going upwards, I believe).
> 
> My question:
> Are there recent KDE 4 packages for Hardy available anywhere?
> Are there any plans for KDE 4 upgrades?
> 
> I searched via google and ppa and that did not reveal anything.
> 
> If all else fails, is there a possibility to do it "viceversa" and 
> operate Intrepid solidly with KDE 3.5?
> 
> Just to be clear, I do NOT want to continue the ever lasting "KDE4 ok 
> for daily work?" discussion.
> 
> And also, I am not interested in "why did they do it or what could have 
> been better?" prosa.
> 
> Thanks much for help and kind regards
> Eberhard
> I just want to have both, including the very latest packages from KDE4.x
> 
> 

Hi,
I now took the step and upgraded to Kubuntu. Surprise! On my own old 2.8 
P4 Desktop, it went greatly, even Nvidia works as before (or even better).

Just to summarize: I am amazed, how good KDE 4.x now works and if all 
else fails, xfce will come to the rescue.

Kind regards and take care
Eberhard




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 14 18:40:59 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:40:59 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1255279.jbj85liQpu@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
	<f495db580811121056j128f505jf3ba9a976ee1a388@mail.gmail.com>
	<4287511.gnqZViDb2L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491B4905.1090804@sbcglobal.net>
	<3210487.0onUDl6J8O@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<491DBB3A.4090204@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3703493.VUH5JcDJJy@cedar.serverforest.com>

Chris Jones wrote:

>> Not at all.  I thought I'd explained that "dash" is the default shell
>> used for non-interactive purposes, but that _users_ get "bash".  For
>> you, bash is much more useful, and if you're writing a script and
>> put:
>>  #! /bin/bash
> 
> Just for the mail archives, that first space should not be there. It
> should be
> 
> #! /bin/bash

Ah, yes, I suppose.  I indent examples for clarity, except in this case, 
it doesn't provide any :-)
-- 
derek




From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 20:29:52 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:29:52 -0700
Subject: converting to 64 bit
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811090457s1fc1d2b2j5e876f6afab6f0c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a1f6bd00811090457s1fc1d2b2j5e876f6afab6f0c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811141229t16b5015dt3e322a66ab08fd6e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like the issues unique to 64 bit have calmed down a bit.  I'd
> like to switch as I have been playing with 64 bit Debian at work, and
> like its snappiness, and want to access all 4 GB of my ram.
>
> Is there a reasonable path to switching, or do I need a fresh install?
>  If I do a fresh install on another drive, can I just copy my /home
> over?
>
> On Hardy now, but don't mind coordinating this with an upgrade.

I think you have to do a fresh install, but save your /home.

If I were you I'd first change to 64 bit hardy.  You want to deal with
only one difference at a time.  KDE under Intrepid is very different,
but if you stick to Hardy your .kde directory should work well.  Once
you have 64 bit working you can upgrade to Intrepid if you want.

Michael



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 20:35:54 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:35:54 -0700
Subject: Konqueror wants to load urls in firefox
In-Reply-To: <4919ABD2.2040204@mindspring.com>
References: <4919ABD2.2040204@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811141235s35548938s3903b1e7aec33ba8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Larry Alkoff <labradley at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Using Kubuntu Hardy Heron but I suspect this applies to Ubuntu also.
>
> I can load a url in Konqueror but if I try to load a url within the
> original url,  a box pops up with the option to Save to Disk, Open in
> Firefox or Cancel.
>
> How can I change so that Konqueror loads a url within itself?

What application is associated to .html files?  You can find that in
Konqueror with Settings->File Associations and typing '.html' in the
text box.

Make sure that Konqueror is the first choice.

Michael



From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 20:47:57 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:47:57 +0100
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net> <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811141247q5e3a6de8kbc03b20361ce1479@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/14 Eberhard Roloff <tuxebi at gmx.de>:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>> I have booted the computer and left it running for more than half an
>> hour.  Although the heat sink fan is still not spinning, the computer is
>> running quiet; nothing seems to be heating up.  I put my finger on cool
>> components.
>>
>> My new monitor should be here tomorrow so I can get the bios set up and
>> new OS hopefully installed.  So far it appears the build is just fine.
>> Thanks again to all who helped.
>>
>> Steven
>>
> Steven,
>
> I am glad that it is running so nicely and on low temperature, now.
>
> Maybe you are operating to many fans within your case, so that the cpu
> cooler gets a fair amount of cool air, so that the CPU fan does not need
> to spin?
>
> Anyway, I would recommend you to install lmsensors and ksensors, since
> this will probably (i.e. if your chipset is supported by lmsensors)
> allow you to monitor your temperatures from within the running KDE session.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Eberhard
>

I discovered when i upgraded my CPU that lmsensors don't support
monitoring CPU temperature on AMD phenom processors yet.

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 20:56:13 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:56:13 +0100
Subject: kpf (http file sharing) in KDE 4
In-Reply-To: <200811141014.14813.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811141014.14813.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811141256q754fc90cna122616a9664901b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/14 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> I may be one of the few people who depend on kpf as a light duty file share
> and simple web server.  I don't see an equivalent in KDE 4, nor a way to run
> it.  Is there a way to run it?  Is there a replacement?
>

You could try the kepas plasmoid.
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kepas+-+KDE+Easy+Publish+and+Share?content=73968

/ Jonas



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 21:06:37 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:06:37 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <200811132333.24202.aprestn5@telus.net>
References: <mailman.1789.1226620542.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
	<200811132333.24202.aprestn5@telus.net>
Message-ID: <491DE85D.40806@sbcglobal.net>

Alastair Preston wrote:
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:16:39 +0000
>> From: Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it>
>> Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!
>> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID: <491CB557.3090504 at yahoo.it>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>     
>>> 2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
>>>       
>>>> In the motherboard User Guide, it shows a place next to the PCI slot for
>>>> a fan, however on the board those pins are identified as CD.  There are
>>>> two other places where there are pins for fans, they are identified as
>>>> 'pwr_fan and cha_fan They are flush with eachother and each has only 3
>>>> pins.  The Heat Sink connector has places for 4 pins.  If I were to try
>>>> to plug to the pwr_fan, I would have to leave the empty pin on the left
>>>> in open space, because if I put it on the right it would occupy one of
>>>> the pins of cha_fan. If I tried to plug to the cha_fan pins, there is
>>>> not enough room to the right of the pins to have overhang, and to the
>>>> left it would occupy one of the pwr_fan pins.  I hope that wasn't too
>>>> confusing.
>>>>
>>>> I am concerned about plugging to the pins marked CD, even though they
>>>> are 4 pin, because I don't know what damage I could do, if they weren't
>>>> fan pins.  Other than those, if there are any other fan pins on the
>>>> motherboard, I am too bleary-eyed to see them.  I am being so careful,
>>>> it is giving me a headache.  Thanks! for the help!
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>  just for a few seconds to see if
>>>>> the fan will run or not. if yes, the plug might be having a problem, if
>>>>> no, you need to check the fan, see if it's cables are intact, etc..
>>>>>           
>>> Please provide a link to the user manual of your motherboard.
>>>       
>> Browsing this link and other on the web, I have the impression the
>> "quieter" bit is achieved by keeping fans off unless needed, as someone
>> already suggested:
>>
>> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2097&l1=3&l2=149&l3=646
>> &l4=0
>>
>> HTH,
>> I.
>>
>>
>>     
> The motherboard manual at the above link shows that the CPU fan connector is 
> up by the first MEMORY slot, not by the PCI slots - it's also visible on the 
> photo on the site. The connectors by the PCI slots are shown as Chassis fan 
> and CD .
>
> Hope this helps...
>
>   
It is plugged into that 4 pin spot.  It is correct, I am possitive.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 21:08:18 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:08:18 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811140027x30002178y7c71e74da2567b5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>	<491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>
	<880dece00811140027x30002178y7c71e74da2567b5d@mail.gmail.com>
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/14 Ignazio Palmisano <ignazio_io at yahoo.it>:
>   
>> Browsing this link and other on the web, I have the impression the
>> "quieter" bit is achieved by keeping fans off unless needed, as someone
>> already suggested:
>>
>> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2097&l1=3&l2=149&l3=646&l4=0
>>
>>     
>
> For that motherboard the CPU fan is the one near the memory. Plug into
> the three connectors furthest from the memory.
>
>   
The connectors furthest from the memory are 3 pin connectors, my fan is 
4 pin.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 21:32:09 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:32:09 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811140030s533b9c3bkd7eec67f9e129800@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>	<491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>
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Message-ID: <491DEE59.5010401@sbcglobal.net>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
>   
>> I have been working from the original that came with the motherboard.
>> ASUS M3N-HT Delux Series page 2-32 says it is a CHA_FAN2.  It shows only
>> 3 pins on the manual, but it has 4 pins on the board and says CD.  If
>> CD's use 4 pins, they probably made a change in the manual and didn't
>> change the literature.
>>     
>
> cha_fan is a chassis fan, not a CPU fan. The four-pin CPU fan is
> backwards compatible with 3-pin fans, look for the bulge where the
> plastic connector goes.
>
>   
If I plug into a 3 pin connector with a 4 pin plug, which side of the 3 
pin has the open pin hole?



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 21:42:24 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:42:24 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491DEE59.5010401@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>
	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>
	<491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it> <491CD6DF.8060801@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811140030s533b9c3bkd7eec67f9e129800@mail.gmail.com>
	<491DEE59.5010401@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811141342t1caf4063l6cdb770d3484b30f@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> If I plug into a 3 pin connector with a 4 pin plug, which side of the 3
> pin has the open pin hole?
>

The 4-pin connector looks like this:
 ___
0000

Because the old 3-pin connector looked like this:
___
000

Therefore, if you center the plastic gripper on the pins you will have
connected the connector correctly. However, I've only ever done the
opposite: connected a 3-pin fan to a 4-pin motherboard. So be sure to
boot directly into BIOS and the temp meter, and keep an eye on the
temp and the fans. If it gets above 45 degrees Celcius and the fans
still doesn't come on then shut it down. If the fan does come on,
leave it running and make sure that it doesn't go over 60 (It
shouldn't with no load).

Please report back with your discoveries. I'd like to know. Don't
worry about damaging the processor unless you get over 70 degrees.
I've only ever seen Intels get damaged at that temp, and even that is
a rarity.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 21:55:59 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:55:59 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811141342t1caf4063l6cdb770d3484b30f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>	<491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>
	<491CD6DF.8060801@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811140030s533b9c3bkd7eec67f9e129800@mail.gmail.com>	<491DEE59.5010401@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811141342t1caf4063l6cdb770d3484b30f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491DF3EF.80001@gmail.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
>> If I plug into a 3 pin connector with a 4 pin plug, which side of the 3
>> pin has the open pin hole?
>>
> 
> The 4-pin connector looks like this:
>  ___
> 0000
> 
> Because the old 3-pin connector looked like this:
> ___
> 000
> 
> Therefore, if you center the plastic gripper on the pins you will have
> connected the connector correctly. However, I've only ever done the
> opposite: connected a 3-pin fan to a 4-pin motherboard. So be sure to
> boot directly into BIOS and the temp meter, and keep an eye on the
> temp and the fans. If it gets above 45 degrees Celcius and the fans
> still doesn't come on then shut it down. If the fan does come on,
> leave it running and make sure that it doesn't go over 60 (It
> shouldn't with no load).
> 
> Please report back with your discoveries. I'd like to know. Don't
> worry about damaging the processor unless you get over 70 degrees.
> I've only ever seen Intels get damaged at that temp, and even that is
> a rarity.
> 

my intel cpu, a P IV 3.0 GHz wih HT, used to run on 60 degrees with no
load, and 90 (sometimes 100~110) when playing 3d games. i tried adding 2
fans, but didn't help much, and then i found out i can decrease the temp
about 20 degrees by leaving the PC case open. now it's always open, it's
about 50 idle, and goes to a maximum of 80 when in a game.
the VGA used to also go up to about 120 when playing, nVidia cards
usually slow down upon reaching a certain temperature, and game
performance becomes choppy, signalling that it's time for a rest, but
now, with the case open, it only gets to more than 100 if i play for
more than 4 hours straight, which is becoming rare with all my uni load :P

i have never seen a processor getting damaged from temperature. once,
about a year ago, i removed my heatsink and replaced it improperly,
almost 20 seconds after starting the PC it went off. next time i tried
to start it, it gave me the thermal trip siren, and realized what was
going on, i eventually broke the heatsink screws, and had to replace it
with a new one. the only time i experienced an over heated processor.

on my old P III, 799 MHz, the thermal trip was about 50, and reaching 40
degrees was a **lot**, got me scared when i saw the average temp of
current processor.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 21:58:10 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:58:10 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <gfjka3$cl$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811131818560.10772@mittens>
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_I deleted some data to reduce the load.
_
>
> Otoh, if you are connecting more fans, than having fan connectors on the 
> motherboard, you will most likely not need any fan control at all. ;-))
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>   
The chasis fans are connected to the powersupply and are always on.  
Nonetheless, they include a 3 speed switch.  At the fastest mode of 
operation, they are loud enough to hear, but unless I need that much 
cooling, I will opt for a slower speed.  I cannot even hear them at the 
slow speed.  I am not worried about the case fans anyway, I was 
concerned about the Heat Sink fan.  I think my troubles are greater, 
today.  I have been in an ASUS MB forum for my specific MB, and I am 
finding that first time installation with my particular components 
sometimes has bios problems that can cause the problem.  If my BIOS is 
too old out of the box, I will have to copy a later BIOS on a thumb 
drive and upgrade.  This is a big problem, since I can't even get a boot 
to the current BIOS, and without the system at that point, I cannot 
upgrade the BIOS even if I have it.  The suggestions are that I install 
an older processor, which I don't have, upgrade the BIOS and reinstall 
the Quad processor.  This motherboard is made for Dual and Quad 
processors.  I haven't figured the solution to that possibility yet.  
And of course one of the components may be bad, even though everything 
is new.  It is pretty frustrating, because I am old and unsure of my 
experience level, and I have no one to consult who lives close to me, or 
even far away for that matter excepting this forum.  My new monitor came 
today which completes the components, and it requires a video card with 
resolution of 1680 x 1050, the max I can get from my current card is 
1280 x 1024, so apparently I can't use it until I have the new system up 
and running.  I think the resolution problem is due to the fact that I 
had to use Linux drivers which provided 1280 x 1024 as maximum.

I am writing too much, but there are suggestions I need to mention too.  
It is suggested that I remount the heat sink, the processor, and the 
memory.  It has been suggested that I remove the motherboard, put it on 
the box it came in and install minimums, with 1 stick of memory on B1.  
Since I don't have the paste you put on them when reinstalling, I am 
dubious of removing them, both memory and processor.  And it is hard for 
me to get a ride to get the supplies I may need.  And all the 
suggestions appear to cost money which I don't have much.  It is 
difficult for me to experiment by purchasing new power supplies, 
processors, memory, etc. without knowing that the purchase solves the 
problem.  I wish I were more intelligent.

I feel under so much pressure.  I am concerned about making an 
unrecoverable mistake, and in the ASUS forum solutions the posters are 
talking about purchasing and trying several expensive power supplies, 
multiple purchases of processors that I saved almost a year to purchase 
the one I have, and unending supplies of used equipment which they can 
install just for testing.
>
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 22:05:53 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:05:53 -0500
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net> <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <491DF641.8040901@sbcglobal.net>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I have booted the computer and left it running for more than half an 
>> hour.  Although the heat sink fan is still not spinning, the computer is 
>> running quiet; nothing seems to be heating up.  I put my finger on cool 
>> components.
>>
>> My new monitor should be here tomorrow so I can get the bios set up and 
>> new OS hopefully installed.  So far it appears the build is just fine.  
>> Thanks again to all who helped.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
> Steven,
>
> I am glad that it is running so nicely and on low temperature, now.
>
> Maybe you are operating to many fans within your case, so that the cpu 
> cooler gets a fair amount of cool air, so that the CPU fan does not need 
> to spin?
>
> Anyway, I would recommend you to install lmsensors and ksensors, since 
> this will probably (i.e. if your chipset is supported by lmsensors) 
> allow you to monitor your temperatures from within the running KDE session.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Eberhard
>   
My problems were not solved.  I won't go through all the explanation, 
but I booted and left the system on for over a half hour with no 
apparent heating or problems.  Then I connected my 17" CRT monitor and 
tried to boot.  Nothing appeared on the screen at all.  I have spent 
hours on a forum for my particular motherboard, but no ASUS tech is 
onboard, so all the info I get is more like here, except everyone on 
that forum seems to be rich.  Their solutions is to replace power 
supplies, processors, memory util they find a brand that will work. 
Even their short tests are difficult for me because of my lack of 
experience.  And my new monitor just came in and has a resolution so 
high that it won't work on my old computer.  Boy the problems just seem 
to multiply.

The most probable solution is upgrading the BIOS, however, not even 
being able to boot to the BIOS, I can't upgrade without putting an older 
processor onboard to get a screen.  And I don't have an older Processor 
to do that with.  I am going to post about my monitor.  Take a look if 
you have the time.  It won't be so winded.
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 22:10:33 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:10:33 -0500
Subject: New monitor resolution problem.
Message-ID: <491DF759.30504@sbcglobal.net>

My new monitor just came in.  Due to problems with my new system, I 
can't use it with the new system.  I would like to use it on my old 
system, however, maximum resolution for my older system is 1280 x 1024.  
Instructions for the new monitor say to set the resolution to 1680 x 
1050.  Not being the brightest bulb on the tree, I am concerned about 
attempting it on my old machine.  All this wonderful equipment and I 
can't seem to enjoy any of it.  Can I install this monitor on my old 
machine without damaging the monitor?  TIA



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 22:21:28 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:21:28 +0200
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491DF472.5050508@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net> <491C955C.70607@gmail.com>
	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>
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2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> The chasis fans are connected to the powersupply and are always on.
> Nonetheless, they include a 3 speed switch.  At the fastest mode of
> operation, they are loud enough to hear, but unless I need that much
> cooling, I will opt for a slower speed.  I cannot even hear them at the
> slow speed.  I am not worried about the case fans anyway, I was
> concerned about the Heat Sink fan.  I think my troubles are greater,
> today.  I have been in an ASUS MB forum for my specific MB, and I am
> finding that first time installation with my particular components
> sometimes has bios problems that can cause the problem.  If my BIOS is
> too old out of the box, I will have to copy a later BIOS on a thumb
> drive and upgrade.  This is a big problem, since I can't even get a boot
> to the current BIOS, and without the system at that point, I cannot
> upgrade the BIOS even if I have it.

Take the motherboard back to the place where you bought it then.
Though, to tell you the truth, I do not think that you will be able to
burn up the processor just by flashing the BIOS. Connect the CPU fan
to the PSU until you finish the flashing.

And thank you favorite deity that you _can_ flash the BIOS from USB!

> The suggestions are that I install
> an older processor, which I don't have, upgrade the BIOS and reinstall
> the Quad processor.  This motherboard is made for Dual and Quad
> processors.

Check if the Duron will fit in there. If so, email me your postal
address and I'll send mine out on Sunday.

> I haven't figured the solution to that possibility yet.
> And of course one of the components may be bad, even though everything
> is new.  It is pretty frustrating, because I am old and unsure of my
> experience level, and I have no one to consult who lives close to me, or
> even far away for that matter excepting this forum.  My new monitor came
> today which completes the components, and it requires a video card with
> resolution of 1680 x 1050, the max I can get from my current card is
> 1280 x 1024, so apparently I can't use it until I have the new system up
> and running.  I think the resolution problem is due to the fact that I
> had to use Linux drivers which provided 1280 x 1024 as maximum.
>
> I am writing too much, but there are suggestions I need to mention too.
> It is suggested that I remount the heat sink, the processor, and the
> memory.  It has been suggested that I remove the motherboard, put it on
> the box it came in and install minimums, with 1 stick of memory on B1.
> Since I don't have the paste you put on them when reinstalling, I am
> dubious of removing them, both memory and processor.  And it is hard for
> me to get a ride to get the supplies I may need.  And all the
> suggestions appear to cost money which I don't have much.  It is
> difficult for me to experiment by purchasing new power supplies,
> processors, memory, etc. without knowing that the purchase solves the
> problem.  I wish I were more intelligent.

You sound intelligent enough to know _not_ to cause damage, that's
better than 99% of the people out there! You can order Arctic Silver 5
thermal compound on ebay with delivery for under $10 USD. That is the
best thermal paste out there and I find that it can reduce non-load
temps by 3-5 degrees. Make sure that you use _as_little_as_possible_.
I spread mine on with a razor blade.

>
> I feel under so much pressure.  I am concerned about making an
> unrecoverable mistake, and in the ASUS forum solutions the posters are
> talking about purchasing and trying several expensive power supplies,
> multiple purchases of processors that I saved almost a year to purchase
> the one I have, and unending supplies of used equipment which they can
> install just for testing.

Well, you are trying to build an expensive piece of equipment. Custom
computers are like custom cars: when everything goes smooth it's
great, but when there is a problem it can get expensive quickly. That
is why most people buy computers prebuilt instead of building them.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Fri Nov 14 22:24:39 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:24:39 -0600
Subject: 8.10 Keyboard issues
Message-ID: <491DFAA7.2060106@swbell.net>

Something seems to have hosed my keyboard in 8.10. It will not accept 
normal typing speed keystrokes. If I hold the key for a couple seconds 
it will eventually accept it and put something on the screen. The mouse 
works just fine.

In order to do the updates that showed up I reset the repeat rate to 
MUCH slower and and the delay longer.

Anyone have any ideas [ I'm back in 8.04 till I can get some ideas and 
reboot ].

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 22:41:23 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:41:23 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811141342t1caf4063l6cdb770d3484b30f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>	<491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>
	<491CD6DF.8060801@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811140030s533b9c3bkd7eec67f9e129800@mail.gmail.com>	<491DEE59.5010401@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811141342t1caf4063l6cdb770d3484b30f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491DFE93.3010406@sbcglobal.net>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/14 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
>   
>> If I plug into a 3 pin connector with a 4 pin plug, which side of the 3
>> pin has the open pin hole?
>>
>>     
>
> The 4-pin connector looks like this:
>  ___
> 0000
>
> Because the old 3-pin connector looked like this:
> ___
> 000
>
> Therefore, if you center the plastic gripper on the pins you will have
> connected the connector correctly. However, I've only ever done the
> opposite: connected a 3-pin fan to a 4-pin motherboard. So be sure to
> boot directly into BIOS and the temp meter, and keep an eye on the
> temp and the fans. If it gets above 45 degrees Celcius and the fans
> still doesn't come on then shut it down. If the fan does come on,
> leave it running and make sure that it doesn't go over 60 (It
> shouldn't with no load).
>
> Please report back with your discoveries. I'd like to know. Don't
> worry about damaging the processor unless you get over 70 degrees.
> I've only ever seen Intels get damaged at that temp, and even that is
> a rarity.
>   
Have you seen a mempipe motherboard.  I will have to remove the heat 
pipes for the memory to try this test.  They have a coating just like 
that between the processor and the heat sink.  I don't have any suitable 
paste to reapply.  I am old and without transportation and it is 
difficult to get transportation for single events.  I shop online almost 
exclusively.  The reason I am baulking is that it just proves the fan is 
operational, not that the problem is solved.  I have new problems 
concerning the BIOS possibly that may be the problem.  There is a forum 
for this particular motherboard.  Others have had similar problems with 
varying solutions.  The solutions are very expensive and I am wanting to 
learn more before I proceed with something that is costly and doesn't 
resolve anything.  When I connected a monitor and booted, nothing at all 
came on screen.  Possible solutions are poor connection between 
processor and heat sink, defective or improperly connected memory, and 
motherboard defect.  Just sending packages to and back is costly and 
tough for my budget, so I must be careful when making the choice to 
proceed.  I am very grateful for the help, but the advice is so 
differing and the possibilities are overwhelming me.  I have to slow a 
bit just to stand the pressure.  If you can avoid it, don't get old, it 
isn't all it's cracked up to be, other than the alternative, not getting 
old.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 22:43:59 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:43:59 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491DF3EF.80001@gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811131438v6eb6be38k7ee8fdab601f588b@mail.gmail.com>	<491CB557.3090504@yahoo.it>	<491CD6DF.8060801@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811140030s533b9c3bkd7eec67f9e129800@mail.gmail.com>	<491DEE59.5010401@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811141342t1caf4063l6cdb770d3484b30f@mail.gmail.com>
	<491DF3EF.80001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491DFF2F.1030601@sbcglobal.net>

Dear Willie,

I can't get a BIOS screen, so I will have to get there first.  Thanks!
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 14 22:52:25 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:52:25 -0500
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811141421n6938cdcat54857cbb75eedf25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>
	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811131818560.10772@mittens>	<gfjka3$cl$1@ger.gmane.org>
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>
> You sound intelligent enough to know _not_ to cause damage, that's
> better than 99% of the people out there! You can order Arctic Silver 5
> thermal compound on ebay with delivery for under $10 USD. That is the
> best thermal paste out there and I find that it can reduce non-load
> temps by 3-5 degrees. Make sure that you use _as_little_as_possible_.
> I spread mine on with a razor blade.
>   
I will do that, however, the help is coming fast and furious on this 
forum and my problem seems to occupy a lot of time.  I will try to get a 
ride to get some, and order online too.  It is hard to waste the money 
of having a double supply, but I have to work quick to not waste this 
forum's assistance.
>   
>>     
>
> Well, you are trying to build an expensive piece of equipment. Custom
> computers are like custom cars: when everything goes smooth it's
> great, but when there is a problem it can get expensive quickly. That
> is why most people buy computers prebuilt instead of building them.
>   
I wouldn't have tried, except it all started with purchasing $4800 worth 
of memory for $100.  It motivated me to save for better components and 
catch up on technology.  Each new item I purchased for less than 50% 
retail.  Some at less than 25% retail.  I just waited to the last minute 
on qualifying components and bid and won minimums.  Now that I have it 
all, I can't seem to get it running.  People who make these fine systems 
are able to afford the bumps in the road.  I never knew to anticipate 
them.  I will succeed though.  How could I not with all the fine help I 
get from people like you.  Thanks friend.




From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 22:52:54 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:52:54 -0700
Subject: Running KDE 3 on Intripid - HOWTO
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811141452r71189afbkf1e354d81913d246@mail.gmail.com>

If you're like me, you like KDE 3.5.x but would like to upgrade to
Intrepid.  Unfortunately, the Kubuntu team has made that difficult.
Well, I'm here to say that it is not impossible, nor even that hard!

This link has the instructions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695

The author (not me!) has build packages of KDE 3.5.10 for Intrepid and
they will replace the KDE4 packages you get when you upgrade.  I've
done this twice now with good success.

There have been some issues, so I wouldn't do this if you aren't
comfortable with occasionally fixing package installation problems.
But there was nothing too difficult for me.

The instructions tell you to install gnome.  This turns out not to be
necessary (or desirable, IMHO).  It does upgrade to KDE 4 before going
back to KDE 3, so be careful.  Don't log in at start KDE until you've
downgraded again.  I think that was the point of installing gnome--it
lets you log int without messingup your KDE install.

I hope it works for you.  I'm a happy camper with 3.5 on Intrepid.

Michael



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Fri Nov 14 23:50:27 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:50:27 -0400
Subject: 8.10 Keyboard issues
In-Reply-To: <491DFAA7.2060106@swbell.net>
References: <491DFAA7.2060106@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200811141850.27618.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Friday 14 November 2008, Billie Walsh wrote:
> Something seems to have hosed my keyboard in 8.10. It will not accept
> normal typing speed keystrokes. If I hold the key for a couple seconds
> it will eventually accept it and put something on the screen. The mouse
> works just fine.
>
> In order to do the updates that showed up I reset the repeat rate to
> MUCH slower and and the delay longer.
>
> Anyone have any ideas [ I'm back in 8.04 till I can get some ideas and
> reboot ].
>
> --
> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.

Might be related but maybe not.   In 8.10, my left arrow on the keyboard does 
nothing.  Works ok at the CLI level (out of kdm) but does not work anywhere 
within 4.1.x      Had the problem in the beta and it remains with the 
release.

KDE must have some problems in that area.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Fri Nov 14 23:55:33 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:55:33 -0400
Subject: Running KDE 3 on Intripid - HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811141452r71189afbkf1e354d81913d246@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c2aabaf0811141452r71189afbkf1e354d81913d246@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811141855.34140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Friday 14 November 2008, Michael Hirsch wrote:
> If you're like me, you like KDE 3.5.x but would like to upgrade to
> Intrepid.  Unfortunately, the Kubuntu team has made that difficult.
> Well, I'm here to say that it is not impossible, nor even that hard!
>
> This link has the instructions:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695

Well, this is one of many ways to (supposedly) get KDE3 onto Intrepid.

I had a fresh Intrepid installation and tried this method and it totally hosed 
it.  No great loss because it was a test machine anyway and I wasn't using 
it.

But I don't really think I want to go and install Hardy and then upgrade to 
Intrepid and then try to regress to KDE3.

I'll just wait for KDE4 to become usable or go to another distro.

I too think that the choice of KDE4 was a bad one.  No, don't do any 
development on KDE 3 for kubuntu.  That would waste resources.  But have a 
little sympathy for your users.....

They didn't.



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 00:19:54 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:19:54 +1000
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <491DF641.8040901@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net> <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<491DF641.8040901@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491E15AA.3000701@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>     
> My problems were not solved.  I won't go through all the explanation, 
> but I booted and left the system on for over a half hour with no 
> apparent heating or problems.  Then I connected my 17" CRT monitor and 
> tried to boot.  Nothing appeared on the screen at all.  


No bios or POST message?

My guess would be the CPU is not properly seated, or the motherboard has
flexed, dislodging chips.

With the power *OFF* :) Try releasing the CPU lock, pressing the CPU
down firmly and relocking it.



-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album





From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch  Sat Nov 15 00:31:34 2008
From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:31:34 +0100
Subject: Kde3.5 / Kde4.x OR Kde3.5 / Nde1.x
In-Reply-To: <200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <200811122152.49730.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<880dece00811130242k50cd23dbt79e9c685d3fccdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811131216.19970.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <c34709020811141631s7d172f94wf1ed452bce4d7572@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Martin,

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 18:16, Martin Laberge <mlsoft at videotron.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday 13 November 2008 05:42:15 Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 2008/11/13 Martin Laberge <mlsoft at videotron.ca>:
>> > For 10 years, (from 1998 to 2008) I had a total Qt solution
>> > for accounting/inventory for a big distribution company.
>> > (the soft standed right, thru the cycle of Qt versions, without
>> > almost any change in the code)
>> >
>> >
>> > This passed from Qt1 to Qt2 to Qt3, without a itch. (maybe some little)
>> >
>> > Now, Qt4/Kde4. My solution is Borked. Just to start all over again.

Not necessarily, why not stick with Ot3? It's not going to disappear
in a night. I know big banks still using old mainframes for
compatibility reasons and maintain old IBM assembler code for the same
reason. As these are not distributed things, where is the problem?

But then, Qt4.0 came out like 3 years ago, so it's not that new. And
it's such a good API, there will most likely never be a Qt5 if I
understood the Trolltech devs right (hum, Nokia devs now actually).

Did you try the conversion scripts Qt3to4? They come with the new API
and you really don't have to rewrite ALL your code. Most of it can be
ported automatically with these scripts. So take a deep breath and go
on :)

Greets

Myriam

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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sat Nov 15 01:14:24 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:14:24 -0600
Subject: 8.10 Keyboard issues
In-Reply-To: <200811141850.27618.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <491DFAA7.2060106@swbell.net>
	<200811141850.27618.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <491E2270.4030103@swbell.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Friday 14 November 2008, Billie Walsh wrote:
>   
>> Something seems to have hosed my keyboard in 8.10. It will not accept
>> normal typing speed keystrokes. If I hold the key for a couple seconds
>> it will eventually accept it and put something on the screen. The mouse
>> works just fine.
>>
>> In order to do the updates that showed up I reset the repeat rate to
>> MUCH slower and and the delay longer.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas [ I'm back in 8.04 till I can get some ideas and
>> reboot ].
>>
>> --
>> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.
>>     
>
> Might be related but maybe not.   In 8.10, my left arrow on the keyboard does 
> nothing.  Works ok at the CLI level (out of kdm) but does not work anywhere 
> within 4.1.x      Had the problem in the beta and it remains with the 
> release.
>
> KDE must have some problems in that area.
>
>   

I should have expanded on my issue a bit more. I don't boot into 8.10 
all the time, but when I have some time to kill I boot into it to play 
and keep the updates installed. A few days ago it was working fine as 
far as I've tested. Today I booted in and it froze loading the KDE 
stuff. I shut it down [ hard shut down with the power switch ] and 
booted into the last kernel before the most current. The keyboard 
wouldn't work. I shut it down and rebooted into the latest kernel and 
the same problem. After I played with it for a bit I realized that if I 
held the key down long enough it would show up on the screen, usually 
several of them *<]:o) . I reset the repeat functions so I could at 
least type in my password to get the latest updates, which may be all 
for nothing if I have to hose it and reinstall.

Any further testing requires a shut down and reboot.[ one of the 
problems having both systems on one computer ]

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From MSmith at carrollcc.edu  Sat Nov 15 02:00:54 2008
From: MSmith at carrollcc.edu (Smith, Mike)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:00:54 -0500
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
Message-ID: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>

Hi,
In that past I have been using bluetooth to load programs lego NXT
bricks using LeJOS. After upgrading to 8.10 this was no longer posible.
I normaly don't use hcitool so if I typed somting wrong please tell me.

If I scan for the brick I can find it
mike at doug:~/checkerbot_nxt$ hcitool scan
Scanning ...
        00:16:53:03:7B:CF       BooBoo

If I try to connect to the brick I get
mike at doug:~/checkerbot_nxt$ hcitool cc $BOOBOO
Can't create connection: Operation not permitted

At first I thought it was a rights thing so I tried it as root
root at doug:/home/mike/checkerbot_nxt# hcitool cc 00:16:53:03:7B:CF
Can't create connection: Input/output error

If anyone can shed some light on my problem it would be great.

Mike



From nadreck at palain.com  Sat Nov 15 02:41:39 2008
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:41:39 -0500
Subject: No sound with Realtek ALC662 on Intrepid
Message-ID: <491E36E3.3030103@palain.com>

I am having a problem with a system that has Realtek ALC662 sound. It is 
not giving me any sound. I probably need to do some trouble-shooting, 
but can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thank you,

-- 
Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL
nadreck at palain.com      Linux User #333216

If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, 
given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking. . . is freedom. - 
Dwight D. Eisenhower



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 03:01:05 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:01:05 +0200
Subject: New monitor resolution problem.
In-Reply-To: <491DF759.30504@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491DF759.30504@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00811141901v48d2bc7bw9a9d2de53b4e4796@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/15 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> My new monitor just came in.  Due to problems with my new system, I
> can't use it with the new system.  I would like to use it on my old
> system, however, maximum resolution for my older system is 1280 x 1024.
> Instructions for the new monitor say to set the resolution to 1680 x
> 1050.  Not being the brightest bulb on the tree, I am concerned about
> attempting it on my old machine.  All this wonderful equipment and I
> can't seem to enjoy any of it.  Can I install this monitor on my old
> machine without damaging the monitor?  TIA
>

Yes, you can use this new monitor on the od machine. The monitor will
either scale the picture to fit the higher resolution, or will give
you black borders around the image. In some monitors you can configure
this behaviour.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From paulatgm at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 03:12:32 2008
From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:12:32 -0500
Subject: fonts on kde4 in intrepid
In-Reply-To: <48F11D9C.2060003@gmail.com>
References: <48EE32FC.4040401@gmail.com>
	<c34709020810092203q654910ajae1f3f157d9bbd28@mail.gmail.com>
	<48F11D9C.2060003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491E3E20.6000302@gmail.com>

Paul S said the following on 10/11/2008 05:41 PM:
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Paul S <paulatgm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm noticing a bit of fuzziness in kde4 on intrepid.  It's more
>>> noticeable in the firefox and thunderbird running under kde4 than the
>>> kde applications running under kde4.  When I use ff and tbird under
>>> gnome on intrepid, the fonts are better.

I also found a way to change the hinting within tbird by going to menu > 
edit > preferences > advanced > config editor > filter: hint > toggle 
autohinted to true and unhinted to true, restart and yippee!

regards,




From thomasasta at gmx.net  Sat Nov 15 07:42:35 2008
From: thomasasta at gmx.net (thomasasta at gmx.net)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:42:35 +0100
Subject: RetroMessenger Linux for PC/Mobile 0.2 has been released
Message-ID: <20081115074235.307080@gmx.net>

Hello
RetroMessenger, the small tiny messenger gui for pc & mobile phones, has been released - for Linux.
please test, thanks.

Homepage:
http://retromessenger.sf.net

Download:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=233927&package_id=299091

Direct-Download:
http://mesh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/retromessenger/RetroMessenger_V0.02-linux.tar.bz2

Please test and reports issues at:
retromessenger-team # lists.sourceforge.net
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From lucafbb at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 11:01:08 2008
From: lucafbb at gmail.com (Luca)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:01:08 +0100
Subject: An apt-get problem today
Message-ID: <27308d500811150301r21eb49e8s43263e0fa8728dd8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

Today the update via adet-notifier fails someway.

So I tried to install the package manually using apt-get founding this
way that there a problem in the installation of "base-files" package

The traceback is here (sorry for some italian output)

keul at keul-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get -f install base-files
Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso
Reading state information... Fatto
base-files è già alla versione più recente.
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  linux-headers-2.6.24-19-generic linux-headers-2.6.24-19 libneon27-gnutls
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 11 non aggiornati.
1 non completamente installati o rimossi.
After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.
Configuro base-files (4.0.1ubuntu5.8.04.3) ...
xargs: xargs.c:443: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed.
Aborted
dpkg: errore processando base-files (--configure):
 il sottoprocesso post-installation script ha restituito un codice di errore 134
Sono occorsi degli errori processando:
 base-files
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

How can I fix this? I'm not able to update packages until this get fixed!

-- 
-- luca



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 11:01:29 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:01:29 +0200
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
In-Reply-To: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
Message-ID: <880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/15 Smith, Mike <MSmith at carrollcc.edu>:
> Hi,
> In that past I have been using bluetooth to load programs lego NXT
> bricks using LeJOS. After upgrading to 8.10 this was no longer posible.
> I normaly don't use hcitool so if I typed somting wrong please tell me.
>
> If I scan for the brick I can find it
> mike at doug:~/checkerbot_nxt$ hcitool scan
> Scanning ...
>        00:16:53:03:7B:CF       BooBoo
>
> If I try to connect to the brick I get
> mike at doug:~/checkerbot_nxt$ hcitool cc $BOOBOO
> Can't create connection: Operation not permitted
>
> At first I thought it was a rights thing so I tried it as root
> root at doug:/home/mike/checkerbot_nxt# hcitool cc 00:16:53:03:7B:CF
> Can't create connection: Input/output error
>
> If anyone can shed some light on my problem it would be great.
>
> Mike
>

It's in the Release Notes:
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#Kubuntu Bluetooth support

"Bluetooth is not supported in Kubuntu 8.10 because KDE does not yet
support the bluez 4.x stack required for compatibility with the kernel
used in 8.10. A fix for this is being evaluated as a post-release
update. (Bug 280997)"

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From dave at thefletchers.net  Sat Nov 15 11:36:42 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:36:42 +0000
Subject: New monitor resolution problem.
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811141901v48d2bc7bw9a9d2de53b4e4796@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491DF759.30504@sbcglobal.net>
	<880dece00811141901v48d2bc7bw9a9d2de53b4e4796@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811151136.53391.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Saturday 15 Nov 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/15 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> > My new monitor just came in.  Due to problems with my new system, I
> > can't use it with the new system.  I would like to use it on my old
> > system, however, maximum resolution for my older system is 1280 x 1024.
> > Instructions for the new monitor say to set the resolution to 1680 x
> > 1050.  Not being the brightest bulb on the tree, I am concerned about
> > attempting it on my old machine.  All this wonderful equipment and I
> > can't seem to enjoy any of it.  Can I install this monitor on my old
> > machine without damaging the monitor?  TIA
> >
> 
> Yes, you can use this new monitor on the od machine. The monitor will
> either scale the picture to fit the higher resolution, or will give
> you black borders around the image. In some monitors you can configure
> this behaviour.
> 
> -- 
> Dotan Cohen

I had problems with the new monitor I bought for my son a few months back. Due 
to having to move everything around in his bedroom, I had to donate his CRT 
monitor to free cycle and buy a new LCD unit to save some space. The graphics 
card in his old P4 computer simply couldn't work at the resolution/aspect 
ratio of the new wide screen monitor, but for the additional expense of about 
GBP25 I think it was, I managed to get a new PCI card from a local shop and 
that works just fine, at the proper aspect ratio and native resolution of the 
new monitor.

With the new computer I built almost a year ago, the 1600 x 1200 monitor 
worked perfectly with the VGA input, but absolutely refused to work properly 
with the DVI input. The only way I could get it to work properly with DVI was 
by installing the nvidia driver, but since then it's been absolutely fine.

Dave Fletcher


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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 12:01:06 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:01:06 +0200
Subject: Strange updates today
Message-ID: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>

I run Kubuntu 8.04 on my Dell laptop. Today when I went to upgrade via
apt-get I noticed that the "passwd" package is being updated. That
seems to me rather unusual, as it is a ver ystable package and has
been for as long as I remember. Also, it is critical to system
security. Where can I find more information about this update?

hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be upgraded:
  login passwd
2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove.
Need to get 821kB of archives.
After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.
hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$

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From dave at thefletchers.net  Sat Nov 15 12:08:08 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:08:08 +0000
Subject: Strange updates today
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811151208.18759.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Saturday 15 Nov 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I run Kubuntu 8.04 on my Dell laptop. Today when I went to upgrade via
> apt-get I noticed that the "passwd" package is being updated. That
> seems to me rather unusual, as it is a ver ystable package and has
> been for as long as I remember. Also, it is critical to system
> security. Where can I find more information about this update?
> 

Also updated on Gutsy



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From mickrulist at voipfuture.com  Sat Nov 15 12:46:29 2008
From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:46:29 +0100
Subject: Strange updates today
In-Reply-To: <200811151208.18759.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811151208.18759.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <op.uknu3rprpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>

Funny you ask for more information. I was not really wondering about that  
specific app, but rather should in general together with updates a small  
readme be provided, so that people know why software is even updated... I  
would like that.

Am 15.11.2008, 13:08 Uhr, schrieb David Fletcher <dave at thefletchers.net>:

> On Saturday 15 Nov 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> I run Kubuntu 8.04 on my Dell laptop. Today when I went to upgrade via
>> apt-get I noticed that the "passwd" package is being updated. That
>> seems to me rather unusual, as it is a ver ystable package and has
>> been for as long as I remember. Also, it is critical to system
>> security. Where can I find more information about this update?
>>
>
> Also updated on Gutsy
>
>
>



-- 
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VoIPFuture



From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl  Sat Nov 15 12:50:03 2008
From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:50:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Strange updates today
References: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gfmghr$g8$1@ger.gmane.org>

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:01:06 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> I run Kubuntu 8.04 on my Dell laptop. Today when I went to upgrade via
> apt-get I noticed that the "passwd" package is being updated. That seems
> to me rather unusual, as it is a ver ystable package and has been for as
> long as I remember. Also, it is critical to system security. Where can I
> find more information about this update?
> 
> hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade Reading package lists...
> Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   login passwd
> 2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove. Need to get 821kB of
> archives.
> After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used. Do you
> want to continue [Y/n]? n
> Abort.
> hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$

http://www.ubuntu.com/taxonomy/term/2/0 :)

    -Frans





From info at alvin.be  Sat Nov 15 12:50:34 2008
From: info at alvin.be (info at alvin.be)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:50:34 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Strange updates today
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6809.81.164.253.13.1226753434.squirrel@webmail.priorweb.be>

> I run Kubuntu 8.04 on my Dell laptop. Today when I went to upgrade via
> apt-get I noticed that the "passwd" package is being updated. That
> seems to me rather unusual, as it is a ver ystable package and has
> been for as long as I remember. Also, it is critical to system
> security. Where can I find more information about this update?

This will tell you what you want to know:

$ aptitude changelog passwd




From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Sat Nov 15 12:51:25 2008
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:51:25 -0500
Subject: Strange updates today
In-Reply-To: <op.uknu3rprpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
References: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>	<200811151208.18759.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<op.uknu3rprpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
Message-ID: <491EC5CD.8010709@gatech.edu>

Michael Krueger wrote:
> Funny you ask for more information. I was not really wondering about that  
> specific app, but rather should in general together with updates a small  
> readme be provided, so that people know why software is even updated... I  
> would like that.

The update was:

shadow (1:4.0.18.1-9ubuntu0.1) gutsy-security; urgency=low

  * disable the root password for virtual machines created with vm-builder
    on Ubuntu 8.10. (LP: #296841)

 -- Jamie Strandboge <jamie at ubuntu.com>  Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:17:27 -0600

All you have to do is goto packages.ubuntu.com, search for the package,
and click changelog.  In this case, it's at
http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/shadow/shadow_4.0.18.1-9ubuntu0.1/changelog
.

I'm not really sure why this was fixed in shadow, though.  It seems like
a bug in vmbuilder.

Matt Flaschen



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 13:57:37 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:57:37 +0200
Subject: Strange updates today
In-Reply-To: <6809.81.164.253.13.1226753434.squirrel@webmail.priorweb.be>
References: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<6809.81.164.253.13.1226753434.squirrel@webmail.priorweb.be>
Message-ID: <880dece00811150557l796f5286o9db2c2dfe466d275@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/15  <info at alvin.be>:
>> I run Kubuntu 8.04 on my Dell laptop. Today when I went to upgrade via
>> apt-get I noticed that the "passwd" package is being updated. That
>> seems to me rather unusual, as it is a ver ystable package and has
>> been for as long as I remember. Also, it is critical to system
>> security. Where can I find more information about this update?
>
> This will tell you what you want to know:
>
> $ aptitude changelog passwd
>

Thanks, that is really good to know.

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From jonorland at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 14:05:28 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:05:28 +0100
Subject: Strange updates today
In-Reply-To: <op.uknu3rprpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
References: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811151208.18759.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<op.uknu3rprpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811150605w390ddecbr77d58ee1ad436f51@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/15 Michael Krueger <mickrulist at voipfuture.com>:
> Funny you ask for more information. I was not really wondering about that
> specific app, but rather should in general together with updates a small
> readme be provided, so that people know why software is even updated... I
> would like that.
>

There is you can view the changelog. The changelog will for the most
of the time only show the ubuntu patches/fixes not the upstream fixes.
In aptitude press C to view the changelog.

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 14:09:39 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:09:39 +0100
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <491E15AA.3000701@gmail.com>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net> <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<491DF641.8040901@sbcglobal.net> <491E15AA.3000701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811150609o20ca1356yccb32bea510dfb78@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/15 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> My problems were not solved.  I won't go through all the explanation,
>> but I booted and left the system on for over a half hour with no
>> apparent heating or problems.  Then I connected my 17" CRT monitor and
>> tried to boot.  Nothing appeared on the screen at all.
>
>
> No bios or POST message?
>
> My guess would be the CPU is not properly seated, or the motherboard has
> flexed, dislodging chips.
>

No i don't think so, if the CPU did not work there should be some beep
error code. He probably need to update the BIOS before he can use the
CPU.

/ Jonas



From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr  Sat Nov 15 14:13:27 2008
From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:13:27 +0100
Subject: No sound with Realtek ALC662 on Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <491E36E3.3030103@palain.com>
References: <491E36E3.3030103@palain.com>
Message-ID: <200811151513.28096.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>

On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:41, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
> I am having a problem with a system that has Realtek ALC662 sound. It is
> not giving me any sound. I probably need to do some trouble-shooting,
> but can anyone point me in the right direction?
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL

Hi Kevin.

What is the make and model of your Laptop/PC?

Can you post a bit of output as below.

cat /proc/asound/cards
lsmod | grep snd
lspci    (just the bit for the sound card)

Open alsamixer as user in Konsole, and check that nothing is muted (M key 
toggles the mute/unmute), and that sliders are not at zero. Controls like 
Master, PCM, and Front are the main ones you need to look at. Also scroll 
along the list with the right arrow key, and push the CD one up if it exists.

Open Kmix as well, and check for anything muted, because sometimes it messes 
with settings already set in Alsamixer. Open Kmix's settings > configure 
Kmix, and uncheck the load volumes at login box, if it's checked.

That's probably enough for the moment.

Nigel.





From nadreck at palain.com  Sat Nov 15 14:56:06 2008
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:56:06 -0500
Subject: No sound with Realtek ALC662 on Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <200811151513.28096.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
References: <491E36E3.3030103@palain.com>
	<200811151513.28096.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
Message-ID: <491EE306.9080905@palain.com>

Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:41, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
>   
>> I am having a problem with a system that has Realtek ALC662 sound. It is
>> not giving me any sound. I probably need to do some trouble-shooting,
>> but can anyone point me in the right direction?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> --
>> Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL
>>     
>
> Hi Kevin.
>
> What is the make and model of your Laptop/PC?
>
> Can you post a bit of output as below.
>
> cat /proc/asound/cards
> lsmod | grep snd
> lspci    (just the bit for the sound card)
>
> Open alsamixer as user in Konsole, and check that nothing is muted (M key 
> toggles the mute/unmute), and that sliders are not at zero. Controls like 
> Master, PCM, and Front are the main ones you need to look at. Also scroll 
> along the list with the right arrow key, and push the CD one up if it exists.
>
> Open Kmix as well, and check for anything muted, because sometimes it messes 
> with settings already set in Alsamixer. Open Kmix's settings > configure 
> Kmix, and uncheck the load volumes at login box, if it's checked.
>
> That's probably enough for the moment.
>   
Thnaks, Nigel. Turns out PCM was turned down on KMix, so now I have full 
sound! Now on to the video problem...

Regards,

-- 
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nadreck at palain.com      Linux User #333216

"Good artists borrow ideas.  Great artists steal them." -- Igor Stravinsky



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 15:39:34 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:39:34 -0500
Subject: converting to 64 bit
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811141229t16b5015dt3e322a66ab08fd6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a1f6bd00811090457s1fc1d2b2j5e876f6afab6f0c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c2aabaf0811141229t16b5015dt3e322a66ab08fd6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811150739o34a9114eteb3c55e4425581c7@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Michael Hirsch <mdhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looks like the issues unique to 64 bit have calmed down a bit.  I'd
>> like to switch as I have been playing with 64 bit Debian at work, and
>> like its snappiness, and want to access all 4 GB of my ram.
>>
>> Is there a reasonable path to switching, or do I need a fresh install?
>>  If I do a fresh install on another drive, can I just copy my /home
>> over?
>>
>> On Hardy now, but don't mind coordinating this with an upgrade.
>
> I think you have to do a fresh install, but save your /home.
>
> If I were you I'd first change to 64 bit hardy.  You want to deal with
> only one difference at a time.  KDE under Intrepid is very different,
> but if you stick to Hardy your .kde directory should work well.  Once
> you have 64 bit working you can upgrade to Intrepid if you want.

Sounds good.  I have a spare drive I can install the 64 bit hardy to.

With both drives installed, is there a way I can replicate the
installed packages while switching them to 64 bit versions?

For any packages not available in 64 bit, can I still run the 32 bit
versions under the 64 bit kernel?

I am new to x86-64, obviously.



-- 

--
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 15:42:30 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:42:30 -0500
Subject: kpf (http file sharing) in KDE 4
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811141256q754fc90cna122616a9664901b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811141014.14813.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811141256q754fc90cna122616a9664901b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811150742w516287darc0c253163a4f1fa1@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/14 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
>> I may be one of the few people who depend on kpf as a light duty file share
>> and simple web server.  I don't see an equivalent in KDE 4, nor a way to run
>> it.  Is there a way to run it?  Is there a replacement?
>>
>
> You could try the kepas plasmoid.
> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kepas+-+KDE+Easy+Publish+and+Share?content=73968

Thanks again, Jonas.  I found the kepas package while googling.
Unfortunately, the version in the hardy kde 4 repos has dependency
problems with kde 4.1 and wants to downgrade kde to 4.0.5.  I filed a
bug report on launchpad.net


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Nov 15 15:31:12 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:31:12 -0400
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> 2008/11/15 Smith, Mike <MSmith at carrollcc.edu>:
>> Hi,
>> In that past I have been using bluetooth to load programs lego NXT
>> bricks using LeJOS. After upgrading to 8.10 this was no longer
>> posible. I normaly don't use hcitool so if I typed somting wrong
>> please tell me.
>>
> It's in the Release Notes:
> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#Kubuntu Bluetooth
> support
> 
> "Bluetooth is not supported in Kubuntu 8.10 because KDE does not yet
> support the bluez 4.x stack required for compatibility with the kernel
> used in 8.10. A fix for this is being evaluated as a post-release
> update. (Bug 280997)"

Then why are the tools still in the distro?
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Nov 15 15:36:02 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:36:02 -0400
Subject: An apt-get problem today
References: <27308d500811150301r21eb49e8s43263e0fa8728dd8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3669481.G98Hg8hofH@cedar.serverforest.com>

Luca wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> Today the update via adet-notifier fails someway.

Try:
LANG="C" sudo apt-get -f install 

(without any package name).  It _may_ resolve your problem, and if not 
the majority of English-speakers should be able to make more sense of 
the output.
-- 
derek




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 15:50:22 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:50:22 +0100
Subject: converting to 64 bit
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811150739o34a9114eteb3c55e4425581c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a1f6bd00811090457s1fc1d2b2j5e876f6afab6f0c6@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Michael Hirsch <mdhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Looks like the issues unique to 64 bit have calmed down a bit.  I'd
>>> like to switch as I have been playing with 64 bit Debian at work, and
>>> like its snappiness, and want to access all 4 GB of my ram.
>>>
>>> Is there a reasonable path to switching, or do I need a fresh install?
>>>  If I do a fresh install on another drive, can I just copy my /home
>>> over?
>>>
>>> On Hardy now, but don't mind coordinating this with an upgrade.
>>
>> I think you have to do a fresh install, but save your /home.
>>
>> If I were you I'd first change to 64 bit hardy.  You want to deal with
>> only one difference at a time.  KDE under Intrepid is very different,
>> but if you stick to Hardy your .kde directory should work well.  Once
>> you have 64 bit working you can upgrade to Intrepid if you want.
>
> Sounds good.  I have a spare drive I can install the 64 bit hardy to.
>
> With both drives installed, is there a way I can replicate the
> installed packages while switching them to 64 bit versions?
>
> For any packages not available in 64 bit, can I still run the 32 bit
> versions under the 64 bit kernel?
>
> I am new to x86-64, obviously.
>
>
>
> --
>
> --
> artAlexion
> sent unsigned from webmail interface

Yes you can.


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Nov 15 15:39:59 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:39:59 -0400
Subject: Strange updates today
References: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811151208.18759.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<op.uknu3rprpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
Message-ID: <2027220.8fUxuBtHOi@cedar.serverforest.com>

Michael Krueger wrote:

> Funny you ask for more information. I was not really wondering about
> that specific app, but rather should in general together with updates
> a small readme be provided, so that people know why software is even
> updated... I would like that.
> 
> Am 15.11.2008, 13:08 Uhr, schrieb David Fletcher
> <dave at thefletchers.net>:
> 
>> On Saturday 15 Nov 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>> I run Kubuntu 8.04 on my Dell laptop. Today when I went to upgrade
>>> via apt-get I noticed that the "passwd" package is being updated.
>>> That seems to me rather unusual, as it is a ver ystable package and
>>> has been for as long as I remember. Also, it is critical to system
>>> security. Where can I find more information about this update?

There is always a README and a changelog, included in the package.  Most 
package management programs give you a way to read the changelog:

 aptitude changelog passwd

I'd been wondering about that one, too - I wish I could figure out why my 
apt-listchanges never seems to work these days...
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 15 16:05:15 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:05:15 -0500
Subject: SOLVED Re: New monitor resolution problem. SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <200811151136.53391.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <491DF759.30504@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811141901v48d2bc7bw9a9d2de53b4e4796@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811151136.53391.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <491EF33B.9060900@sbcglobal.net>

David Fletcher wrote:
> On Saturday 15 Nov 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>   
>> 2008/11/15 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
>>     
>>> My new monitor just came in.  Due to problems with my new system, I
>>> can't use it with the new system.  I would like to use it on my old
>>> system, however, maximum resolution for my older system is 1280 x 1024.
>>> Instructions for the new monitor say to set the resolution to 1680 x
>>> 1050.  Not being the brightest bulb on the tree, I am concerned about
>>> attempting it on my old machine.  All this wonderful equipment and I
>>> can't seem to enjoy any of it.  Can I install this monitor on my old
>>> machine without damaging the monitor?  TIA
>>>
>>>       
>> Yes, you can use this new monitor on the od machine. The monitor will
>> either scale the picture to fit the higher resolution, or will give
>> you black borders around the image. In some monitors you can configure
>> this behaviour.
>>
>> -- 
>> Dotan Cohen
>>     
>
> I had problems with the new monitor I bought for my son a few months back. Due 
> to having to move everything around in his bedroom, I had to donate his CRT 
> monitor to free cycle and buy a new LCD unit to save some space. The graphics 
> card in his old P4 computer simply couldn't work at the resolution/aspect 
> ratio of the new wide screen monitor, but for the additional expense of about 
> GBP25 I think it was, I managed to get a new PCI card from a local shop and 
> that works just fine, at the proper aspect ratio and native resolution of the 
> new monitor.
>
> With the new computer I built almost a year ago, the 1600 x 1200 monitor 
> worked perfectly with the VGA input, but absolutely refused to work properly 
> with the DVI input. The only way I could get it to work properly with DVI was 
> by installing the nvidia driver, but since then it's been absolutely fine.
>
> Dave Fletcher
>
>
>   
Thank you, I installed.  It works fine.  Video card is a little lacking, 
but it should be better on the new machine. 



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 15 16:30:02 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:30:02 -0500
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the *EMERGENCY* build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811150609o20ca1356yccb32bea510dfb78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>
	<gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>	<491DF641.8040901@sbcglobal.net>
	<491E15AA.3000701@gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811150609o20ca1356yccb32bea510dfb78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491EF90A.7030204@sbcglobal.net>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/15 Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com>:
>   
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>     
>>>>         
>>> My problems were not solved.  I won't go through all the explanation,
>>> but I booted and left the system on for over a half hour with no
>>> apparent heating or problems.  Then I connected my 17" CRT monitor and
>>> tried to boot.  Nothing appeared on the screen at all.
>>>       
>> No bios or POST message?
>>
>> My guess would be the CPU is not properly seated, or the motherboard has
>> flexed, dislodging chips.
>>
>>     
>
> No i don't think so, if the CPU did not work there should be some beep
> error code. He probably need to update the BIOS before he can use the
> CPU.
>
> / Jonas
>
>   
When ASUS responded to my help request, they gave a very complete check 
list.  I went through it item by item.  Finally I got to where they 
suggested I remove the processor.  The instruction was to attempt boot 
with no processor attached to see if I could get a verbal instruction 
saying no processor or a warning, I think to confirm it was a problem 
with the board.  When I attempted to remove the Heat Sink, the processor 
wouldn't release.  I checked an made sure that the clamps that hold the 
Heat Sink in place were not still attached or caught on anything.  They 
were not, so I continued to apply upward pressure until the Heat Sink 
separated.  It resisted, so I continued to apply pressure until it 
finally came loose.  When I looked at the bottom of the Heat Sink, the 
processor was still stuck to it.  The clamp that holds down the 
processor was still down and in place, so the processor came loose from 
the motherboard without releasing.  Following that part of the 
procedure, I sent my reply to ASUS.  They have not responded yet.  Right 
now, the Heat Sink is setting on my assembly table face up with the 
processor stuck firmly to its bottom.  I can't seem to move or break it 
free, and coupled with my concern over the amount of pressure I had to 
apply to get the Heat Sink to release from the motherboard, I am 
apprehensive about applying more force without further instruction.  Not 
having the experience, with experience I probably would have sought 
additional help in releasing the Heat Sink before the Processor released 
in the manner it did.  In case nothing is actually damaged, I will wait 
for additional help.  Have you experienced anything like this, ie. 
Processor firmly stuck to Heat Sink?  Any further input would be 
gratefully received.  Steven



From jonorland at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 16:48:45 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:48:45 +0100
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the *EMERGENCY* build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <491EF90A.7030204@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net> <gfjksm$28k$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<491DF641.8040901@sbcglobal.net> <491E15AA.3000701@gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811150609o20ca1356yccb32bea510dfb78@mail.gmail.com>
	<491EF90A.7030204@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811150848v1aefde2cu4f02dceb6faf036e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/15 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> When ASUS responded to my help request, they gave a very complete check
> list.  I went through it item by item.  Finally I got to where they
> suggested I remove the processor.  The instruction was to attempt boot
> with no processor attached to see if I could get a verbal instruction
> saying no processor or a warning, I think to confirm it was a problem
> with the board.  When I attempted to remove the Heat Sink, the processor
> wouldn't release.  I checked an made sure that the clamps that hold the
> Heat Sink in place were not still attached or caught on anything.  They
> were not, so I continued to apply upward pressure until the Heat Sink
> separated.  It resisted, so I continued to apply pressure until it
> finally came loose.  When I looked at the bottom of the Heat Sink, the
> processor was still stuck to it.  The clamp that holds down the
> processor was still down and in place, so the processor came loose from
> the motherboard without releasing.  Following that part of the
> procedure, I sent my reply to ASUS.  They have not responded yet.  Right
> now, the Heat Sink is setting on my assembly table face up with the
> processor stuck firmly to its bottom.  I can't seem to move or break it
> free, and coupled with my concern over the amount of pressure I had to
> apply to get the Heat Sink to release from the motherboard, I am
> apprehensive about applying more force without further instruction.  Not
> having the experience, with experience I probably would have sought
> additional help in releasing the Heat Sink before the Processor released
> in the manner it did.  In case nothing is actually damaged, I will wait
> for additional help.  Have you experienced anything like this, ie.
> Processor firmly stuck to Heat Sink?  Any further input would be
> gratefully received.  Steven
>

No i have never seen that. Some times the thermal paste would make it
stuck some but never so much that it will pull a "locked" CPU out of
the socket. Can't think of any suggestions right now. Sorry.

/ Jonas



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sat Nov 15 16:58:24 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:24 -0400
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the *EMERGENCY* build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811150848v1aefde2cu4f02dceb6faf036e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net> <491EF90A.7030204@sbcglobal.net>
	<b8d784880811150848v1aefde2cu4f02dceb6faf036e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811151158.25493.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Saturday 15 November 2008, Jonas Norlander wrote:
> No i have never seen that. Some times the thermal paste would make it
> stuck some but never so much that it will pull a "locked" CPU out of
> the socket. Can't think of any suggestions right now. Sorry.

Aren't they using a 'thermal tape' these days?  Sticky on both sides to tape 
the heat sink to the cpu.   But I wouldn't think it would be that strong.



From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 17:17:25 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:17:25 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <f950edef0811141305v6ad6a734u9903a7f15a132142@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491AFFD4.2080209@sbcglobal.net> <491B21BE.60209@sbcglobal.net>
	<1668499.F8IySEfJ8h@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f950edef0811131204k629b9ec2n52143726ca2338f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<2821990.nrqOlqFxmr@cedar.serverforest.com>
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	<2894947.o6q5bQqobn@cedar.serverforest.com>
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:

> Francisco Borges wrote:
>
> > Who says the software works?
>
> NOBODY.  Nowhere in this thread has anybody suggested there's working
> support.



No, you just said that the presence of software in your computer "trumps"
the release statement which incidentally includes the *******link to the bug
report**********.


>
> > This bug is marked high priority on KDE bug system, so it really makes
> > me wonder how you refuse to acknowledge that the bug exists -- despite
> > not even using BT.
>
> You're putting words into my mouth that I have never even implied.


Again, I thought you were the one who said:

  >>
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidReleaseNotes#Kubuntu%20Bluetooth%20support
>>
>> I see what you're saying, but it's present on my desktop.  Actual
>> existence of software trumps a policy statement.

Doesn't that implies that the presence of the software in your computer,
disproves the release notes I had quoted?
And by extension the bug report which is quoted in the text of that note
item?

Are you going to start splitting hairs here, playing semantic games, and
continue full throttle in denial of you assertion about your desktop
trumping the bloody release note and the bug it links to?


> > For one, I thought you were talking about the problems I had mentioned
> > which you still seem to refuse that exist, despite said bugs in the
> > contrary.
>
> If you keep making up what I'm saying, I'm going to have start calling you
> names like "liar".
>

Look, dude, you either decide to call someone a liar, or you don't.
Otherwise STFU.

[...]

Nevermind I learned my lesson. Say negative things in this list and the
fanboy on duty, comes to flame away.

-- 
Francisco
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From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr  Sat Nov 15 17:51:47 2008
From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:51:47 +0100
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the *EMERGENCY* build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811151158.25493.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>
	<b8d784880811150848v1aefde2cu4f02dceb6faf036e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811151158.25493.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <200811151851.47916.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>

On Saturday 15 November 2008 17:58, Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Saturday 15 November 2008, Jonas Norlander wrote:
> > No i have never seen that. Some times the thermal paste would make it
> > stuck some but never so much that it will pull a "locked" CPU out of
> > the socket. Can't think of any suggestions right now. Sorry.
>
> Aren't they using a 'thermal tape' these days?  Sticky on both sides to
> tape the heat sink to the cpu.   But I wouldn't think it would be that
> strong.

I forget the name of this thermal tape, but believe that it goes through some 
chemical change when heated, which may explain why it is so stubbornly 
sticking to both surfaces.

How to separate the 2 components, I'm not too sure. Certainly a sharp bladed 
instrument would cause possible scratching of the surfaces on both 
components. Perhaps something like an artists paint spatula, that doesn't 
have sharp surfaces. Then you have to remove the remains of the pad off both 
surfaces. I read about what to use ages ago, but have forgotten. Probably 
alcohol.

I also read that thermal pads are preferable for a permanant connection, 
rather than using thermal grease, which was suggested to use on temporary 
setups, where you may want to easily separate heatsinks from cpu's.

The basis for this was that thermal grease over time tends to spread, and the 
thermal contact may be reduced between heatsink, and cpu. How much that 
applies now, using the latest thermal compounds, I've no idea.

Comments welcome.

Nigel.





From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 15 18:09:35 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:09:35 -0500
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
Message-ID: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>

I removed Kmail from the Kmenu dropdown when I decided to use 
Thunderbird.  It is still installed on my computer.  I recently 
purchased a new monitor with a 22" screen.  It allows me to increase 
Print Size to an easily readable size on everything but Firefox and 
Thunderbird.  There are ways to increase font size temporarily when you 
read emails, but it is progressive requiring repeating a several click 
process to get to an acceptable size, and nothing else on the screen 
increases, so it only improves that area of the screen.  You can also 
permanently increase the size of print when you write or reply to an 
email, however, as before, the balance of the screen is still fine print.

Whatever it was that made me choose Firefox and Thunderbird over 
Konqueror and Kmail, I want to re-address those options and maybe change 
to them.  That feature on Firefox and Thunderbird is kind of like using 
Microsoft products, a million clicks to get a simple process done.  TIA



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 15 18:12:45 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:12:45 -0500
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the *EMERGENCY* build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811151158.25493.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>
	<491EF90A.7030204@sbcglobal.net>	<b8d784880811150848v1aefde2cu4f02dceb6faf036e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811151158.25493.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <491F111D.7040203@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Saturday 15 November 2008, Jonas Norlander wrote:
>   
>> No i have never seen that. Some times the thermal paste would make it
>> stuck some but never so much that it will pull a "locked" CPU out of
>> the socket. Can't think of any suggestions right now. Sorry.
>>     
>
> Aren't they using a 'thermal tape' these days?  Sticky on both sides to tape 
> the heat sink to the cpu.   But I wouldn't think it would be that strong.
>   
The bond is so great, I am concerned about breaking the processor 
lifting from a corner or releasing the bottom.  Strangely enough the 
exposed pins of the processor are undamaged and perfectly in place.




From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Sat Nov 15 18:38:03 2008
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:38:03 -0500
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491F170B.7070004@gatech.edu>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I removed Kmail from the Kmenu dropdown when I decided to use 
> Thunderbird.  It is still installed on my computer.  I recently 
> purchased a new monitor with a 22" screen.  It allows me to increase 
> Print Size to an easily readable size on everything but Firefox and 
> Thunderbird.

Right click the K, click Menu Editor, then hit CTRL-N.  Unless of course
you're using KDE 4, in which case may God have mercy on your soul.

Matt Flaschen



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 18:40:39 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:40:39 +0200
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>
	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> Then why are the tools still in the distro?
>

Why is the appendix still in our bellies?

That is actually a great question, Derek, and the truth is that the
bluetooth problem was discovered so late in the process that it is
just broken, not removed. I suppose that one could say that since "A
fix for this is being evaluated as a post-release update" that leaving
the tools in place was the right thing to do, in truth it just shows
that we need:
1) More people testing Kubuntu alphas
2) Another Canonical engineer on KDE

Canonical is already hiring a KDE dev. And I am waiting for the first
9.04 alphas to show up, which they will likely do later this month.
Please, test! test! test! If Jaunty has a solid KDE desktop (KDE 4.2!
yay!) then maybe 9.10 won't have to be called Komatose Kubuntu like
the past two x.10 releases have been.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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From dave at thefletchers.net  Sat Nov 15 19:02:08 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:02:08 +0000
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the *EMERGENCY* build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <491F111D.7040203@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811151158.25493.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<491F111D.7040203@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811151902.16068.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Saturday 15 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> The bond is so great, I am concerned about breaking the processor 
> lifting from a corner or releasing the bottom.  Strangely enough the 
> exposed pins of the processor are undamaged and perfectly in place.

The ordinary white heat sink compound that I find works well enough can easily 
be cleaned off using what we call in the UK "White Spirit". It's the stuff 
used for cleaning paint brushes.

Would it be worth soaking the assembly in this stuff to see if it breaks the 
bond?

Dave



-- 

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From lucafbb at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 19:09:10 2008
From: lucafbb at gmail.com (Luca)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:09:10 +0100
Subject: An apt-get problem today
In-Reply-To: <3669481.G98Hg8hofH@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <27308d500811150301r21eb49e8s43263e0fa8728dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3669481.G98Hg8hofH@cedar.serverforest.com>
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On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Luca wrote:
> Try:
> LANG="C" sudo apt-get -f install

Funny (and useful) the LANG='C' options! Owhever I already tried the
-f option...

Thats my new output now!

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  linux-headers-2.6.24-19-generic linux-headers-2.6.24-19 libneon27-gnutls
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
1 not fully installed or removed.
After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.
Setting up base-files (4.0.1ubuntu5.8.04.3) ...
xargs: xargs.c:443: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed.
Aborted
dpkg: error processing base-files (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 134
Errors were encountered while processing:
 base-files
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
keul at keul-laptop:~$



-- 
-- luca



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sat Nov 15 19:12:10 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:12:10 -0600
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491F1F0A.2060503@swbell.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I removed Kmail from the Kmenu dropdown when I decided to use 
> Thunderbird.  It is still installed on my computer.  I recently 
> purchased a new monitor with a 22" screen.  It allows me to increase 
> Print Size to an easily readable size on everything but Firefox and 
> Thunderbird.  There are ways to increase font size temporarily when you 
> read emails, but it is progressive requiring repeating a several click 
> process to get to an acceptable size, and nothing else on the screen 
> increases, so it only improves that area of the screen.  You can also 
> permanently increase the size of print when you write or reply to an 
> email, however, as before, the balance of the screen is still fine print.
>   

TB and Ff don't usually follow the system defaults for font. They have 
to be set in the preferences for each one. I like the arial font for 
it's clearness and have to set the font size to about 18 on my LCD 
monitor to get it big enough [ about the same size as 12 on my old CRT 
and lower res ]. I can't read the standard sans serif as easily.

> Whatever it was that made me choose Firefox and Thunderbird over 
> Konqueror and Kmail, I want to re-address those options and maybe change 
> to them.  That feature on Firefox and Thunderbird is kind of like using 
> Microsoft products, a million clicks to get a simple process done.  TIA
>
>   


-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 19:19:17 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:19:17 +0200
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491F20B5.1070700@gmail.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>> Then why are the tools still in the distro?
>>
> 
> Why is the appendix still in our bellies?
> 
> That is actually a great question, Derek, and the truth is that the
> bluetooth problem was discovered so late in the process that it is
> just broken, not removed. I suppose that one could say that since "A
> fix for this is being evaluated as a post-release update" that leaving
> the tools in place was the right thing to do, in truth it just shows
> that we need:
> 1) More people testing Kubuntu alphas
> 2) Another Canonical engineer on KDE
> 
> Canonical is already hiring a KDE dev. And I am waiting for the first
> 9.04 alphas to show up, which they will likely do later this month.
> Please, test! test! test! If Jaunty has a solid KDE desktop (KDE 4.2!
> yay!) then maybe 9.10 won't have to be called Komatose Kubuntu like
> the past two x.10 releases have been.
> 

not to mention my complaint sometime ago, during the alpha stage of 
intrepid, when i was forced to download all the bluetooth packages, 
while i don't even use them, and to be honest, i don't even know how 
bluetooth works :-P

yes, seeing how kubuntu intrepid already can be considered a beta, since 
it uses KDE4, i might upgrade to jaunty as soon as alpha2.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From nicofr38 at free.fr  Sat Nov 15 20:04:25 2008
From: nicofr38 at free.fr (NicoFr38)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:04:25 +0100
Subject: KDE4 : ark or something else ?
In-Reply-To: <102263863.346971226593679533.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <102263863.346971226593679533.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200811152104.26097.nicofr38@free.fr>

I have juste tried xarchiver that just works like a charm.
I now have to find how to add context menu to xarchiver, but I am sure google 
will help me with that.

Tks for helping :)

Nico

Le jeudi 13 novembre 2008 17:27:59 pkaplan1 at comcast.net, vous avez écrit :
> FWIW, I have kde4/ark opening zip files, but there's other deficiencies as
> well (can't get the preview function to point to an external app as in
> kde3-ark).
>
> Have you tried xarchiver?
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "NicoFr38" <nicofr38 at free.fr>
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:18:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: KDE4 : ark or something else ?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have upgraded my home computer to the latest kubuntu release with the
> KDE4 environment.
> For me (for the applications I use) everything works great
> I use konqueror to web brows, Kate to web dev or to tcl dev, en Firefox to
> web debug.
>
> The only thing that doesn't works as it was is ARK : no more right click
> integration, not supporting ZIP and RAR.
>
> I know this is a known limitation, and justs would like to know how people
> that have upgraded to KDE4 deal with this limitation.
>
> I have read about several solutions :
> - use KDE3 ARK in KDE4
> - use command line functions (that is what I do now)
> - use an other app (which one is the better integrated and supports the
> format I have to deal with).




From jonorland at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 20:12:46 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:12:46 +0100
Subject: KDE4 : ark or something else ?
In-Reply-To: <200811152104.26097.nicofr38@free.fr>
References: <102263863.346971226593679533.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<200811152104.26097.nicofr38@free.fr>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811151212l1e2a02e4v1538dcdf00e26717@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/15 NicoFr38 <nicofr38 at free.fr>:
> I have juste tried xarchiver that just works like a charm.
> I now have to find how to add context menu to xarchiver, but I am sure google
> will help me with that.
>
> Tks for helping :)
>

I don't think it's supported in KDE4 yet at least cant get the service
menus to work. please correct me if i am wrong.

/ Jonas



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 15 20:51:36 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:51:36 -0500
Subject: SOLVED! Re: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown
	again? SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <491F170B.7070004@gatech.edu>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <491F170B.7070004@gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <491F3658.7000205@sbcglobal.net>

Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I removed Kmail from the Kmenu dropdown when I decided to use 
>> Thunderbird.  It is still installed on my computer.  I recently 
>> purchased a new monitor with a 22" screen.  It allows me to increase 
>> Print Size to an easily readable size on everything but Firefox and 
>> Thunderbird.
>>     
>
> Right click the K, click Menu Editor, then hit CTRL-N.  Unless of course
> you're using KDE 4, in which case may God have mercy on your soul.
>
> Matt Flaschen
>
>   
Dear Matt,

I can't thank you enough.  That has been a re-occurring problem that now 
has a solution.  It is a keeper for my computer fix folder.

Cordially,
Steven



From paul at lemmons.name  Sat Nov 15 20:52:45 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:52:45 -0700
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <491A761C.7080105@lemmons.name>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<491A761C.7080105@lemmons.name>
Message-ID: <491F369D.3050703@lemmons.name>

Paul Lemmons wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>> Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
>> to start backing up my system.
>> What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
>> only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
>> incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
>> about it? What is the best software?
>> Thanks from the backup stupid me.
>>   
> Looking for something myself I did a little poking around in Google 
> and found a couple helpful pages:
>
> Lists options with descriptions:
> http://linux.about.com/od/softbackup/Linux_Software_Backup_Solutions.htm
> http://www.foogazi.com/2008/02/25/free-linux-backup-solutions/
>
> On the recommendation of the second link above I tried the "Simple 
> Backup Suite"
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite
>
> Simple GUI for setup, backup and restore. Scheduled backups. 
> Incremental as well as full. So far it looks OK. I installed it, 
> configured it and started my first backup in about 10 minutes.
>
> That said, the backup has not finished and I have not tried to restore 
> yet. I will report back tomorrow.


The OP asked for something that was simple and GUI. I thought those were 
simple and reasonable requests. I live in the CLI world. It is what I do 
for a living.  But I really do like it when someone has made something 
difficult easier for me. I would rather spend time with my wife than my 
computer.

To that end I started looking for something that met that requirement. I 
found a number of options that were partially GUI or were designed for a 
network of computers or were setup to use tapes or DVD's but precious 
few that were simple to setup, execute and restore. These seem like 
no-brainers but I guess us *nix folks are supposed to love spending time 
with machines instead of having a life :)

So, as my original post described, I installed sbackup. So far it has 
worked well. It was a breeze to setup and just as simple to restore 
files. Everything was GUI with a simple to use interface. A simple 
solution for a simple problem.

Pluses:
- Simplicity
- Targeted for single user backup
- Uses disk for backup media
- Simple Scheduled backups
- Incremental as well as full backups
- Backup Files are compressed (tar'ed and gzipped)
- Backup drive is a USB drive. If it is not mounted it will not try to 
back up.
- Restores work
- Can restore to alternate location


Minuses:
- No notification of failure/success
- No "Unified view" of backup
   - You must search each backup, full or incremental for your file
   - Versions exist but not displayed together
- If there is a problem it dies quietly
- Does not handle failed permission problems
   - Runs with root access but even root can not always get to files on 
a network
   - Program actually crashes when this happens
- Restores are kinda slow from full backups
- Backup archive can exceed 4GB so will not work with fat32 drives

Conclusion:
I am going to keep it and quit looking for now. The simplicity and the 
fact that it directly addresses my need outweighs the minuses.

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Subject: vm
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 15 21:23:50 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:23:50 -0500
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <491F1F0A.2060503@swbell.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <491F1F0A.2060503@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <491F3DE6.5010306@sbcglobal.net>

Billie Walsh wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I removed Kmail from the Kmenu dropdown when I decided to use 
>> Thunderbird.  It is still installed on my computer.  I recently 
>> purchased a new monitor with a 22" screen.  It allows me to increase 
>> Print Size to an easily readable size on everything but Firefox and 
>> Thunderbird.  There are ways to increase font size temporarily when you 
>> read emails, but it is progressive requiring repeating a several click 
>> process to get to an acceptable size, and nothing else on the screen 
>> increases, so it only improves that area of the screen.  You can also 
>> permanently increase the size of print when you write or reply to an 
>> email, however, as before, the balance of the screen is still fine print.
>>   
>>     
>
> TB and Ff don't usually follow the system defaults for font. They have 
> to be set in the preferences for each one. I like the arial font for 
> it's clearness and have to set the font size to about 18 on my LCD 
> monitor to get it big enough [ about the same size as 12 on my old CRT 
> and lower res ]. I can't read the standard sans serif as easily.
>   
And does this change the font size of all the fonts on the page?  I 
would like to open the program and easily be able to read the name of 
the program, the menu items, when a menu item is opened, the choices, 
the incoming email titles and the print size of my reply, without having 
to enter the menu multiple times to make adjustments.  Everything else 
works that way, why don't FF and TB?  I can find no configuration option 
that allows for permanent changes.  It is probably my lack of 
intelligence, however, that is why I am asking for help on a subject 
that should be a no-brainer.
>   
>> Whatever it was that made me choose Firefox and Thunderbird over 
>> Konqueror and Kmail, I want to re-address those options and maybe change 
>> to them.  That feature on Firefox and Thunderbird is kind of like using 
>> Microsoft products, a million clicks to get a simple process done.  TIA
>>
>>   
>>     
>
>
>   




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Nov 15 21:39:38 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:39:38 -0400
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>
	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> 2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>> Then why are the tools still in the distro?
>>
> 
> Why is the appendix still in our bellies?
> 
> That is actually a great question, Derek, and the truth is that the
> bluetooth problem was discovered so late in the process that it is
> just broken, not removed.

Actually, it occurs to me that this is nothing to do with Kubuntu, 
anyway.  hcitool is not KDE  - it's much lower level than that.

So the question is still "why doesn't hcitool work"?
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 15 22:00:37 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:00:37 -0500
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <491F170B.7070004@gatech.edu>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <491F170B.7070004@gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <491F4685.901@sbcglobal.net>

Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I removed Kmail from the Kmenu dropdown when I decided to use 
>> Thunderbird.  It is still installed on my computer.  I recently 
>> purchased a new monitor with a 22" screen.  It allows me to increase 
>> Print Size to an easily readable size on everything but Firefox and 
>> Thunderbird.
>>     
>
> Right click the K, click Menu Editor, then hit CTRL-N.  Unless of course
> you're using KDE 4, in which case may God have mercy on your soul.
>
> Matt Flaschen
>
>   
Dear Matt,

Everything went so well, I replied with a solved.  It still has 
problems.  The Kmail offering attached to the dropdown of Kmenu.  It 
didn't attach to the Internet option; it showed as the first item of the 
dropdown.  I like that.  Nonetheless, when I click on it, nothing 
happens; nothing opens.

I then opened Adept Package Manager and removed Kmail, re-booted and 
installed Kmail.  It did not appear under Internet; it also did not open 
with the button you helped me put on Kmenu.

I then purged Kmail and rebooted, reinstalled Kmail and got the same 
result.  I am at a loss what to try next.  Any ideas?



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Nov 15 21:59:32 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:59:32 -0400
Subject: An apt-get problem today
References: <27308d500811150301r21eb49e8s43263e0fa8728dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3669481.G98Hg8hofH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<27308d500811151109u321b93acpb497fe2ec2e7c1bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <111555162.ChpKWAaB2O@cedar.serverforest.com>

Luca wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>
> wrote:
>> Luca wrote:
>> Try:
>> LANG="C" sudo apt-get -f install
> 
> Funny (and useful) the LANG='C' options! Owhever I already tried the
> -f option...

Basically, you can set _any_ environment variable(s) on the same command line as the command you're executing to override that value for the particular command only.

> Thats my new output now!
> 
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
> required:
>   linux-headers-2.6.24-19-generic linux-headers-2.6.24-19
>   libneon27-gnutls
> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
> 1 not fully installed or removed.
> After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.
> Setting up base-files (4.0.1ubuntu5.8.04.3) ...
> xargs: xargs.c:443: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)'
> failed. Aborted
> dpkg: error processing base-files (--configure):
>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 134
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  base-files
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Darn.  That's what I _thought_ it said :-(

It _looks_ to me as if what's happening is that "base-files" postinst 
script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.postinst) is passing t0o many 
arguments to xargs (xargs is most commonly used ime to execute a 
particular program/script on the results of a "find" command - so it's 
getting two many filenames).

At a very rough guess, it might even be saying that it's passing 131072 
filenames when it can only handle 2048.  One could probably find a way to 
increase that value, but sooner or later it would break anyway.

You could try to fix the postinst script.  Better still, fix and send a 
patch to the developers!  But I suspect you might be better off fixing 
your filesystem.

$ grep -C 3 xargs `locate base-files | grep postinst`
...
# Ubiquity 1.7.5 thru 1.10.9 failed to restore the group id of
--
        /var/lib/defoma                         "

  find -L $NINER_NINER_PATHS -gid 999 -print0 |
        xargs -0rt chgrp -h 0 || true
  find $NINER_NINER_SYMLINKS -gid 999 -print0 |
        xargs -0rt chgrp -h 0 || true
  find /media -maxdepth 1 -name "cdrom[0-9]*" -gid 999 -print0 |
        xargs -0rt chgrp -h 0 || true
fi

I skipped the first "find" because I can't imagine /boot has enough files 
for this to be a problem, but I'd try to figure out what these find 
commands are looking for (and eject any CD first) and see if you can find 
anything that actually has group id 999 (no idea why it would).  If 
nothing does, just remove those lines from the postinst and run "dkpg --
configure -a".

I think though that you _will_ find there are files with gid=999, and a 
lot of them too.  So you can run "chgrp -h 0" on them yourself (that 
says "change the group to root, without dereferencing symlinks").
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Nov 15 22:05:36 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:05:36 -0400
Subject: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
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Francisco Borges wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Derek Broughton
> <news at pointerstop.ca>wrote:
> 
>> Francisco Borges wrote:
>>
>> > Who says the software works?
>>
>> NOBODY.  Nowhere in this thread has anybody suggested there's working
>> support.
> 
> No, you just said that the presence of software in your computer
> "trumps" the release statement which incidentally includes the
> *******link to the bug report**********.
> 

OK, so you clearly have a problem with the English language.

<plonk>
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Nov 15 22:09:17 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:09:17 -0400
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <491F170B.7070004@gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <5534913.uArazAaq4d@cedar.serverforest.com>

Matthew Flaschen wrote:

> Steven Vollom wrote:
>> I removed Kmail from the Kmenu dropdown when I decided to use
>> Thunderbird.  It is still installed on my computer.  I recently
>> purchased a new monitor with a 22" screen.  It allows me to increase
>> Print Size to an easily readable size on everything but Firefox and
>> Thunderbird.
> 
> Right click the K, click Menu Editor, then hit CTRL-N.  Unless of
> course you're using KDE 4, in which case may God have mercy on your
> soul.

It's not quite _that_ bad, but I can't figure out why I can run 
kmenuedit, but I _can't_ find kmenuedit on the menu...
-- 
derek




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sat Nov 15 22:26:21 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:26:21 -0400
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <5534913.uArazAaq4d@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <491F170B.7070004@gatech.edu>
	<5534913.uArazAaq4d@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811151726.21633.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Saturday 15 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> It's not quite _that_ bad, but I can't figure out why I can run
> kmenuedit, but I _can't_ find kmenuedit on the menu...

Cuz it's a right click on the 'Big K'?



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 22:37:40 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:37:40 +0100
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <491F369D.3050703@lemmons.name>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<491A761C.7080105@lemmons.name> <491F369D.3050703@lemmons.name>
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On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Paul Lemmons <paul at lemmons.name> wrote:
> Paul Lemmons wrote:
>>
>> Knapp wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, I have been dumb for years and gotten away with it. Now I want
>>> to start backing up my system.
>>> What is the best software for this? Is there a system that backs up
>>> only what you say and then every week or day or whatever does an
>>> incremental backup perhaps linked to cron, so I don't have to think
>>> about it? What is the best software?
>>> Thanks from the backup stupid me.
>>>
>>
>> Looking for something myself I did a little poking around in Google and
>> found a couple helpful pages:
>>
>> Lists options with descriptions:
>> http://linux.about.com/od/softbackup/Linux_Software_Backup_Solutions.htm
>> http://www.foogazi.com/2008/02/25/free-linux-backup-solutions/
>>
>> On the recommendation of the second link above I tried the "Simple Backup
>> Suite"
>>
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite
>>
>> Simple GUI for setup, backup and restore. Scheduled backups. Incremental
>> as well as full. So far it looks OK. I installed it, configured it and
>> started my first backup in about 10 minutes.
>>
>> That said, the backup has not finished and I have not tried to restore
>> yet. I will report back tomorrow.
>
>
> The OP asked for something that was simple and GUI. I thought those were
> simple and reasonable requests. I live in the CLI world. It is what I do for
> a living.  But I really do like it when someone has made something difficult
> easier for me. I would rather spend time with my wife than my computer.
>
> To that end I started looking for something that met that requirement. I
> found a number of options that were partially GUI or were designed for a
> network of computers or were setup to use tapes or DVD's but precious few
> that were simple to setup, execute and restore. These seem like no-brainers
> but I guess us *nix folks are supposed to love spending time with machines
> instead of having a life :)
>
> So, as my original post described, I installed sbackup. So far it has worked
> well. It was a breeze to setup and just as simple to restore files.
> Everything was GUI with a simple to use interface. A simple solution for a
> simple problem.
>
> Pluses:
> - Simplicity
> - Targeted for single user backup
> - Uses disk for backup media
> - Simple Scheduled backups
> - Incremental as well as full backups
> - Backup Files are compressed (tar'ed and gzipped)
> - Backup drive is a USB drive. If it is not mounted it will not try to back
> up.
> - Restores work
> - Can restore to alternate location
>
>
> Minuses:
> - No notification of failure/success
> - No "Unified view" of backup
>  - You must search each backup, full or incremental for your file
>  - Versions exist but not displayed together
> - If there is a problem it dies quietly
> - Does not handle failed permission problems
>  - Runs with root access but even root can not always get to files on a
> network
>  - Program actually crashes when this happens
> - Restores are kinda slow from full backups
> - Backup archive can exceed 4GB so will not work with fat32 drives
>
> Conclusion:
> I am going to keep it and quit looking for now. The simplicity and the fact
> that it directly addresses my need outweighs the minuses.

OP here, thanks for that.

A couple of your Minuses sound a bit scary. I mean, if the drive is
failing and the backup starts failing quietly, does that not kill the
whole reason for having a backup? Knowing me, I could use the failing
disk for a month before I saw the problem and loose a months worth of
data. :-)

What do you mean by, versions exist . . . ?

Slow restore I can live with and hope I never need it anyway.

What do you mean you must search each backup for your file? I though
that you only restored your system when it crashes and then you do the
whole system.

Man, for a programmer, I sure am backup stupid. I live the same world
as the guy that said his drive had not failed in 11 years. Last time I
had a true disk failure was with windows xp (LONG time ago).

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 22:41:51 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:41:51 +1000
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the *EMERGENCY* build
	problem.
Message-ID: <200811160841.52214.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:30:02 am Steven Vollom wrote:
> Jonas Norlander wrote:
> When I attempted to remove the Heat Sink, the processor
> wouldn't release.  I checked an made sure that the clamps that hold the
> Heat Sink in place were not still attached or caught on anything.  They
> were not, so I continued to apply upward pressure until the Heat Sink
> separated.  It resisted, so I continued to apply pressure until it
> finally came loose.  When I looked at the bottom of the Heat Sink, the
> processor was still stuck to it.  The clamp that holds down the
> processor was still down and in place, so the processor came loose from
> the motherboard without releasing.  

Someone may correct me on this, but IMHO that is *really* unusual. It should 
take a lot of force to remove a CPU from its socket if locked, more likely to 
break something I would have thought.

Possibly the lock was not on properly or is faulty?

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 





From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 21:56:07 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:56:07 +1000
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the *EMERGENCY* build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <491EF90A.7030204@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>
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Message-ID: <200811160756.07982.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:30:02 am Steven Vollom wrote:
> Jonas Norlander wrote:
> When I attempted to remove the Heat Sink, the processor
> wouldn't release.  I checked an made sure that the clamps that hold the
> Heat Sink in place were not still attached or caught on anything.  They
> were not, so I continued to apply upward pressure until the Heat Sink
> separated.  It resisted, so I continued to apply pressure until it
> finally came loose.  When I looked at the bottom of the Heat Sink, the
> processor was still stuck to it.  The clamp that holds down the
> processor was still down and in place, so the processor came loose from
> the motherboard without releasing.  

Someone may correct me on this, but IMHO that is *really* unusual. It should 
take a lot of force to remove a CPU from its socket if locked, more likely to 
break something I would have thought.

Possibly the lock was not on properly or is faulty?

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sat Nov 15 23:30:31 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:30:31 -0600
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <491F3DE6.5010306@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <491F1F0A.2060503@swbell.net>
	<491F3DE6.5010306@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491F5B97.3090705@swbell.net>

On 11/15/2008 Steven Vollom wrote:
>  Billie Walsh wrote:
>  > > Steven Vollom wrote:
>  > >  
>  >> >> I removed Kmail from the Kmenu dropdown when I decided to use
>  >> >> Thunderbird.  It is still installed on my computer.  I recently
>  >> >> purchased a new monitor with a 22" screen.  It allows me to
>  increase
>  >> >> Print Size to an easily readable size on everything but Firefox
>  and
>  >> >> Thunderbird.  There are ways to increase font size temporarily
>  when you
>  >> >> read emails, but it is progressive requiring repeating a
>  several click
>  >> >> process to get to an acceptable size, and nothing else on the
>  screen
>  >> >> increases, so it only improves that area of the screen.  You
>  can also
>  >> >> permanently increase the size of print when you write or reply
>  to an
>  >> >> email, however, as before, the balance of the screen is still
>  fine print.
>  >> >>  
>  >> >>    
>  > >
>  > > TB and Ff don't usually follow the system defaults for font. They
>  have
>  > > to be set in the preferences for each one. I like the arial font
>  for
>  > > it's clearness and have to set the font size to about 18 on my
>  LCD
>  > > monitor to get it big enough [ about the same size as 12 on my
>  old CRT
>  > > and lower res ]. I can't read the standard sans serif as easily.
>  > >  
>  And does this change the font size of all the fonts on the page?  I
>  would like to open the program and easily be able to read the name of
>  the program, the menu items, when a menu item is opened, the choices,
>  the incoming email titles and the print size of my reply, without
>  having
>  to enter the menu multiple times to make adjustments.  Everything
>  else
>  works that way, why don't FF and TB?  I can find no configuration
>  option
>  that allows for permanent changes.  It is probably my lack of
>  intelligence, however, that is why I am asking for help on a subject
>  that should be a no-brainer.
>

I think the KDE settings work for anything you see in the, well on my 
computer, blue band across the top. The font setting within TB just seem 
to change the size of the font in the read pane only. In Firefox the web 
page designer has more control over what you see for fonts on your 
screen. You can set a minimum font size however. Doesn't work for 
_everything_ but does help

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.





From santana.santanaa at bol.com.br  Sun Nov 16 00:00:02 2008
From: santana.santanaa at bol.com.br (Mosair Alves Santana)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:00:02 -0200
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov 16 00:40:25 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:40:25 -0400
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <491F170B.7070004@gatech.edu>
	<5534913.uArazAaq4d@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811151726.21633.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
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Bruce Marshall wrote:

> On Saturday 15 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> It's not quite _that_ bad, but I can't figure out why I can run
>> kmenuedit, but I _can't_ find kmenuedit on the menu...
> 
> Cuz it's a right click on the 'Big K'?

OK, that's too simple for my complicated mind... :-)

Still, kmenuedit should be _on_ the menu, and it should (as it was in 
3.5) be possible to edit a particular application's .desktop file from 
the menu - if you right click on app, all you get is "Add to favorites" 
and "Add to panel"
-- 
derek




From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 04:25:34 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:25:34 -0700
Subject: 8.10 Keyboard issues
In-Reply-To: <491E2270.4030103@swbell.net>
References: <491DFAA7.2060106@swbell.net>
	<200811141850.27618.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <491E2270.4030103@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811152025g2e089429ud35cb0058df33843@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net> wrote:
> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>> On Friday 14 November 2008, Billie Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> Something seems to have hosed my keyboard in 8.10. It will not accept
>>> normal typing speed keystrokes. If I hold the key for a couple seconds
>>> it will eventually accept it and put something on the screen. The mouse
>>> works just fine.
>>>
>>> In order to do the updates that showed up I reset the repeat rate to
>>> MUCH slower and and the delay longer.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas [ I'm back in 8.04 till I can get some ideas and
>>> reboot ].
>>>
>>> --
>>> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.
>>>
>>
>> Might be related but maybe not.   In 8.10, my left arrow on the keyboard does
>> nothing.  Works ok at the CLI level (out of kdm) but does not work anywhere
>> within 4.1.x      Had the problem in the beta and it remains with the
>> release.
>>
>> KDE must have some problems in that area.
>>
>>
>
> I should have expanded on my issue a bit more. I don't boot into 8.10
> all the time, but when I have some time to kill I boot into it to play
> and keep the updates installed. A few days ago it was working fine as
> far as I've tested. Today I booted in and it froze loading the KDE
> stuff. I shut it down [ hard shut down with the power switch ] and
> booted into the last kernel before the most current. The keyboard
> wouldn't work. I shut it down and rebooted into the latest kernel and
> the same problem. After I played with it for a bit I realized that if I
> held the key down long enough it would show up on the screen, usually
> several of them *<]:o) . I reset the repeat functions so I could at
> least type in my password to get the latest updates, which may be all
> for nothing if I have to hose it and reinstall.

Could you have slowkeys set?  In KDE 3.5 that under accessibility.

Michael



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sun Nov 16 04:35:40 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:35:40 -0600
Subject: 8.10 Keyboard issues
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811152025g2e089429ud35cb0058df33843@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491DFAA7.2060106@swbell.net>	<200811141850.27618.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
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Michael Hirsch wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Billie Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net> wrote:
>   
>> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>>     
>>> On Friday 14 November 2008, Billie Walsh wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Something seems to have hosed my keyboard in 8.10. It will not accept
>>>> normal typing speed keystrokes. If I hold the key for a couple seconds
>>>> it will eventually accept it and put something on the screen. The mouse
>>>> works just fine.
>>>>
>>>> In order to do the updates that showed up I reset the repeat rate to
>>>> MUCH slower and and the delay longer.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any ideas [ I'm back in 8.04 till I can get some ideas and
>>>> reboot ].
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Might be related but maybe not.   In 8.10, my left arrow on the keyboard does
>>> nothing.  Works ok at the CLI level (out of kdm) but does not work anywhere
>>> within 4.1.x      Had the problem in the beta and it remains with the
>>> release.
>>>
>>> KDE must have some problems in that area.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> I should have expanded on my issue a bit more. I don't boot into 8.10
>> all the time, but when I have some time to kill I boot into it to play
>> and keep the updates installed. A few days ago it was working fine as
>> far as I've tested. Today I booted in and it froze loading the KDE
>> stuff. I shut it down [ hard shut down with the power switch ] and
>> booted into the last kernel before the most current. The keyboard
>> wouldn't work. I shut it down and rebooted into the latest kernel and
>> the same problem. After I played with it for a bit I realized that if I
>> held the key down long enough it would show up on the screen, usually
>> several of them *<]:o) . I reset the repeat functions so I could at
>> least type in my password to get the latest updates, which may be all
>> for nothing if I have to hose it and reinstall.
>>     
>
> Could you have slowkeys set?  In KDE 3.5 that under accessibility.
>
> Michael
>
>   
Not intentionally. I suppose anything is possible. I'll try and check it 
tomorrow if I get some time. Thanks for the suggestion.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 04:37:54 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:37:54 -0700
Subject: Setting kmail font size for printing in KDE 3.5 on Intrepid
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811152037h374fc0a2w5581776f2212721c@mail.gmail.com>

Now that I upgraded to intrepid I can print again.  (Yay!)  So I
printed something from kmail.  It printed fine, but the font is way to
small.  I use 12 point    fonts to display in kmail, but this was more
like 9 point when it printed.

I can't find anything that sets the print font size.  Anyone know how
to do this?

Thanks,

Michael



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 04:56:21 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:56:21 -0500
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the *EMERGENCY* build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811160756.07982.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>	<b8d784880811150609o20ca1356yccb32bea510dfb78@mail.gmail.com>	<491EF90A.7030204@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811160756.07982.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491FA7F5.4000107@sbcglobal.net>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:30:02 am Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Jonas Norlander wrote:
>> When I attempted to remove the Heat Sink, the processor
>> wouldn't release.  I checked an made sure that the clamps that hold the
>> Heat Sink in place were not still attached or caught on anything.  They
>> were not, so I continued to apply upward pressure until the Heat Sink
>> separated.  It resisted, so I continued to apply pressure until it
>> finally came loose.  When I looked at the bottom of the Heat Sink, the
>> processor was still stuck to it.  The clamp that holds down the
>> processor was still down and in place, so the processor came loose from
>> the motherboard without releasing.  
>>     
>
> Someone may correct me on this, but IMHO that is *really* unusual. It should 
> take a lot of force to remove a CPU from its socket if locked, more likely to 
> break something I would have thought.
>
> Possibly the lock was not on properly or is faulty?
>
>   
The prepasted Heat Sink is the more unusual.  I can't conceive a reason 
the lock wouldn't hold; I also can't understand why the coating is such 
a strong adhesive.  I have changed processors before, and the release 
was easy.  This processor is stuck to the bottom of the heat sink so 
well, that I cannot remove it.  Without help, I don't think it can be 
removed.  It is like super-glued.  In one of the response posts the 
writer said they are experimenting with more adhesive type 
two-side-sticky coating between heat sink and processor.  If this is it, 
it sure makes upgrading the processor difficult.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 05:00:58 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:00:58 -0500
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the *EMERGENCY* build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811160841.52214.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811160841.52214.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491FA90A.2070208@sbcglobal.net>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:30:02 am Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Jonas Norlander wrote:
>> When I attempted to remove the Heat Sink, the processor
>> wouldn't release.  I checked an made sure that the clamps that hold the
>> Heat Sink in place were not still attached or caught on anything.  They
>> were not, so I continued to apply upward pressure until the Heat Sink
>> separated.  It resisted, so I continued to apply pressure until it
>> finally came loose.  When I looked at the bottom of the Heat Sink, the
>> processor was still stuck to it.  The clamp that holds down the
>> processor was still down and in place, so the processor came loose from
>> the motherboard without releasing.  
>>     
>
> Someone may correct me on this, but IMHO that is *really* unusual. It should 
> take a lot of force to remove a CPU from its socket if locked, more likely to 
> break something I would have thought.
>
> Possibly the lock was not on properly or is faulty?
>
>   
After I installed the processor and locked it in place, I tried to 
remove it by hand to see if it was properly locked.  I would not come 
up.  Other than that, how do you verify the processor is locked in 
place?  Additionally, the pins appear completely undamaged.  I would 
think there would be some evidence of damage if the locking device did 
no work.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 05:08:46 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:08:46 -0500
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <491F5B97.3090705@swbell.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>
	<491F1F0A.2060503@swbell.net>	<491F3DE6.5010306@sbcglobal.net>
	<491F5B97.3090705@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <491FAADE.6060707@sbcglobal.net>

Billie Walsh wrote:
> On 11/15/2008 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>  Billie Walsh wrote:
>>  > > Steven Vollom wrote:
>>  > >  
>>  >> >> I removed Kmail from the Kmenu dropdown when I decided to use
>>  >> >> Thunderbird.  It is still installed on my computer.  I recently
>>  >> >> purchased a new monitor with a 22" screen.  It allows me to
>>  increase
>>  >> >> Print Size to an easily readable size on everything but Firefox
>>  and
>>  >> >> Thunderbird.  There are ways to increase font size temporarily
>>  when you
>>  >> >> read emails, but it is progressive requiring repeating a
>>  several click
>>  >> >> process to get to an acceptable size, and nothing else on the
>>  screen
>>  >> >> increases, so it only improves that area of the screen.  You
>>  can also
>>  >> >> permanently increase the size of print when you write or reply
>>  to an
>>  >> >> email, however, as before, the balance of the screen is still
>>  fine print.
>>  >> >>  
>>  >> >>    
>>  > >
>>  > > TB and Ff don't usually follow the system defaults for font. They
>>  have
>>  > > to be set in the preferences for each one. I like the arial font
>>  for
>>  > > it's clearness and have to set the font size to about 18 on my
>>  LCD
>>  > > monitor to get it big enough [ about the same size as 12 on my
>>  old CRT
>>  > > and lower res ]. I can't read the standard sans serif as easily.
>>  > >  
>>  And does this change the font size of all the fonts on the page?  I
>>  would like to open the program and easily be able to read the name of
>>  the program, the menu items, when a menu item is opened, the choices,
>>  the incoming email titles and the print size of my reply, without
>>  having
>>  to enter the menu multiple times to make adjustments.  Everything
>>  else
>>  works that way, why don't FF and TB?  I can find no configuration
>>  option
>>  that allows for permanent changes.  It is probably my lack of
>>  intelligence, however, that is why I am asking for help on a subject
>>  that should be a no-brainer.
>>
>>     
>
> I think the KDE settings work for anything you see in the, well on my 
> computer, blue band across the top. The font setting within TB just seem 
> to change the size of the font in the read pane only. In Firefox the web 
> page designer has more control over what you see for fonts on your 
> screen. You can set a minimum font size however. Doesn't work for 
> _everything_ but does help
>
>   
My problem is old age.  I need larger print size.  How can I set 
minimums at perhaps 16.  All the other of my screen visuals are that 
way.  I just love it.  No head aches from eye strain.  When I chose 
browser and email server in the first place, I opted for Firefox and 
Thunderbird.  I foolishly removed Kmail from the Kmenu just to reduce 
the size of the list by removing things I did not use.  Now I can not 
seem to get Kmail back in.  I would like to see if Kmail can be 
configured in larger print.  It worked in Dolphin, and my Desktop print 
size is nice size.  Trying to get Kmail back on the Kmenu, I tried 
Kmenu/Menu Editor  then Ctrl-N.  It put Kmail as the first time on the 
Kmenu, however, nothing I do to attempt to re-install Kmail works, and 
the Kmenu reference doesn't do anything when I click on it.  This as 
become quite a problem.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 05:16:34 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:16:34 -0500
Subject: Setting kmail font size for printing in KDE 3.5 on Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811152037h374fc0a2w5581776f2212721c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c2aabaf0811152037h374fc0a2w5581776f2212721c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491FACB2.6090109@sbcglobal.net>

Michael Hirsch wrote:
> Now that I upgraded to intrepid I can print again.  (Yay!)  So I
> printed something from kmail.  It printed fine, but the font is way to
> small.  I use 12 point    fonts to display in kmail, but this was more
> like 9 point when it printed.
>
> I can't find anything that sets the print font size.  Anyone know how
> to do this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>   
I posted similarly.  I have been using Thunderbird.  I can change the 
print size, however only in the window where you read, write and reply.  
All the menu fonts and option remain in small print.  I am older and 
want all fonts larger, now that I have a monitor large enough to take 
advantage of large fonts.

I haven't even been able to get Kmail back in my system and working.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 05:39:49 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:39:49 -0500
Subject: A solution for anyone who wants to increase the size of Firefox fonts
	in Kubuntu Hardy.
Message-ID: <491FB225.6030008@sbcglobal.net>

This solution works, however, when you choose minimum font size, you may 
want to use about 16 point.  Anything less still prints too small.  On 
the menu, click on edit -> Preferences -> content -> Fonts & colors -> 
Advanced -> change Min Font Size to one that is suitable.

It worked for me; it should work for you.

Caio,
Steven



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 16 05:57:56 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:57:56 +0000
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <491FAADE.6060707@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <491F5B97.3090705@swbell.net>
	<491FAADE.6060707@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811160557.56125.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 16 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> Trying to get Kmail back on the Kmenu, I tried
> Kmenu/Menu Editor  then Ctrl-N.  It put Kmail as the
> first time on the Kmenu, however, nothing I do to attempt
> to re-install Kmail works, and the Kmenu reference
> doesn't do anything when I click on it.  This as become
> quite a problem.

when you filled in the properties for this new menu item, 
did you fill in the part that asks for the application to 
run?

What if you go to a console and run kmail from there, does 
it run? i.e. type in

  kmail

If not, you could confirm kmail is actually missing. Type in 
a console

  find /usr/bin -name kmail

that will tell you if kmail is on your system.

if it is there, in a console type

  /usr/bin/kmail

and it should run from there. In which case it would seem to 
be a path problem.

nepal.



From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 06:44:37 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:44:37 -0600
Subject: bouncy messages
Message-ID: <200811160044.38127.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

Am I the only one getting bounced messages from this list with no subject and 
a way-off date stamp?  I kind of suspect its either my mail client or server, 
but I wanted to make sure.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 06:54:34 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:54:34 -0500
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <200811160557.56125.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>
	<491F5B97.3090705@swbell.net>	<491FAADE.6060707@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811160557.56125.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <491FC3AA.8050100@sbcglobal.net>

nepal google wrote:
> On Sunday 16 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Trying to get Kmail back on the Kmenu, I tried
>> Kmenu/Menu Editor  then Ctrl-N.  It put Kmail as the
>> first time on the Kmenu, however, nothing I do to attempt
>> to re-install Kmail works, and the Kmenu reference
>> doesn't do anything when I click on it.  This as become
>> quite a problem.
>>     
>
> when you filled in the properties for this new menu item, 
> did you fill in the part that asks for the application to 
> run?
>
> What if you go to a console and run kmail from there, does 
> it run? i.e. type in
>
>   kmail
>
> If not, you could confirm kmail is actually missing. Type in 
> a console
>
>   find /usr/bin -name kmail
>
> that will tell you if kmail is on your system.
>
> if it is there, in a console type
>
>   /usr/bin/kmail
>
> and it should run from there. In which case it would seem to 
> be a path problem.
>
> nepal.
>
>   
Dear Nepal,

When I type kmail into the terminal it opens Kmail.  There is even a 
small icon on the Kmenu bar.  By that I mean, when I place my cursor in 
the upper left corner of the screen, the Kmenu icon and various other 
icons appear atop the screen.  Now that I can open Kmail, there is a 
group of very small icons that include Konqueror, Kopete, Ksysguard, 
Add/Remove Programs, and Kmail on that bar.  Other icons on the 
drop-down are much larger.  I would like to include Kmail as one of the 
larger icons, but haven't been able to do so.  Normally those icons get 
placed on the drop-down by right clicking the item from Kmenu.  Kmail 
isn't working on the Kmenu tree.  I see the run option for Kmenu/Kmail, 
but I don't know what to type into the box.  Will you help me?  For 
instance is it something like, /usr/bin/.kmail?  TIA

By the way, I used a Thunderbird feature which increases the font size 
of the outgoing email.  Does that make the print too large when you 
receive the email?  If so, I will reduce it in future writings.

Steven



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 07:02:38 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:02:38 +1000
Subject: bouncy messages
In-Reply-To: <200811160044.38127.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
References: <200811160044.38127.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200811161702.39306.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:44:37 pm Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
> Am I the only one getting bounced messages from this list with no subject
> and a way-off date stamp?  I kind of suspect its either my mail client or
> server, but I wanted to make sure.

Not getting them here
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 07:02:55 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:02:55 -0500
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail in
	Hardy?
Message-ID: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net>

I googled with no result.  Several others need the answer, so if I can 
find it here, I will update the Ubuntu forum.  TIA.

Steven



From sundar.personal at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 07:24:34 2008
From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:24:34 -0800
Subject: EMERGENCY!
In-Reply-To: <491E0129.7050803@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491C8D2A.5040207@sbcglobal.net>	<491C955C.70607@gmail.com>	<491CA975.4070002@sbcglobal.net>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0811131818560.10772@mittens>	<gfjka3$cl$1@ger.gmane.org>	<491DF472.5050508@sbcglobal.net>	<880dece00811141421n6938cdcat54857cbb75eedf25@mail.gmail.com>
	<491E0129.7050803@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <gfohr7$2gt$1@ger.gmane.org>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I wouldn't have tried, except it all started with purchasing $4800 worth 
> of memory for $100.  It motivated me to save for better components and 
> catch up on technology.  Each new item I purchased for less than 50% 
> retail.  Some at less than 25% retail.  I just waited to the last minute 
> on qualifying components and bid and won minimums.  Now that I have it 
> all, I can't seem to get it running.  People who make these fine systems 
> are able to afford the bumps in the road.  I never knew to anticipate 
> them.  I will succeed though.  How could I not with all the fine help I 
> get from people like you.  Thanks friend.

Steven,

I have been reading this thread (a lot of messages) with interest. Did 
you get the MB working OK? If not, according to the manual for your 
board (M3N-HT) on page 3-1, the BIOS beep codes are given, and one short 
beep indicates no keyboard! Do you have a keyboard connected?

Usually the Cool-N-Quiet AMD Fan feature will momentarily turn the fan 
on, and then turn it off based on the temperature (once the BIOS kicks 
in). At least that's how it is on a Gigabyte AM2 board that I have.

Sundar.





From sundar.personal at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 07:25:57 2008
From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:25:57 -0800
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <gfohtq$2hf$1@ger.gmane.org>



Steven Vollom wrote:
> I have booted the computer and left it running for more than half an 
> hour.  Although the heat sink fan is still not spinning, the computer is 
> running quiet; nothing seems to be heating up.  I put my finger on cool 
> components.
> 
> My new monitor should be here tomorrow so I can get the bios set up and 
> new OS hopefully installed.  So far it appears the build is just fine.  
> Thanks again to all who helped.
> 
> Steven
> 

I guess my previous message was unnecessary and too late. Glad you got 
the problem figured out.




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 16 07:54:57 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:54:57 +0000
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <491FC3AA.8050100@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811160557.56125.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<491FC3AA.8050100@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811160754.57323.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 16 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> nepal google wrote:
> > On Sunday 16 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> Trying to get Kmail back on the Kmenu, I tried
> >> Kmenu/Menu Editor  then Ctrl-N.  It put Kmail as the
> >> first time on the Kmenu, however, nothing I do to
> >> attempt to re-install Kmail works, and the Kmenu
> >> reference doesn't do anything when I click on it. 
> >> This as become quite a problem.
> >
> > when you filled in the properties for this new menu
> > item, did you fill in the part that asks for the
> > application to run?
> >
> > What if you go to a console and run kmail from there,
> > does it run? i.e. type in
> >
> >   kmail
> >
> > If not, you could confirm kmail is actually missing.
> > Type in a console
> >
> >   find /usr/bin -name kmail
> >
> > that will tell you if kmail is on your system.
> >
> > if it is there, in a console type
> >
> >   /usr/bin/kmail
> >
> > and it should run from there. In which case it would
> > seem to be a path problem.
> >
> > nepal.
>
> Dear Nepal,
>
> When I type kmail into the terminal it opens Kmail. 
> There is even a small icon on the Kmenu bar.  By that I
> mean, when I place my cursor in the upper left corner of
> the screen, the Kmenu icon and various other icons appear
> atop the screen.  

I assume this is just a standard kpanel?

> Now that I can open Kmail, 

so you know it is on your system and does activate.

> there is a  
> group of very small icons that include Konqueror, Kopete,
> Ksysguard, Add/Remove Programs, and Kmail on that bar. 

Those smaller icons are in the quicklauncher panel IIUC.

> Other icons on the drop-down are much larger.  I would
> like to include Kmail as one of the larger icons, but
> haven't been able to do so.  

You cannot have larger icons on the quicklauncher AFAIU, not 
a mix of large and small anyway.

> Normally those icons get 
> placed on the drop-down by right clicking the item from
> Kmenu.  Kmail isn't working on the Kmenu tree.  I see the
> run option for Kmenu/Kmail, but I don't know what to type
> into the box.  Will you help me?  For instance is it
> something like, /usr/bin/.kmail?  TIA

The easiest way I have found to add just a normal size icon 
to a kpanel is to create the icon on the desktop first. 
Right click on your desktop, create new link to 
application, choose the application tab, fill in 
description with your description. fill in the command line 
with kmail or /usr/bin/kmail, normally just kmail would 
work for my system. Select the General tab and choose your 
icon.

when that is done just drag and drop it onto the kpanel. 
Make sure it *is* a kpanel you are dropping it onto and the 
panel is not locked. If it is locked right click on a blank 
bit of the panel and unlock it first.

I just did all that and it works on my system.

>
> By the way, I used a Thunderbird feature which increases
> the font size of the outgoing email.  Does that make the
> print too large when you receive the email?  If so, I
> will reduce it in future writings.
>
> Steven

No, your settings only affect your display, not mine.

nepal.



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 08:14:58 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:14:58 +0200
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
In-Reply-To: <1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>
	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811160014u5c6a4aa6qe90bc08d26bf8658@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>> 2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>>> Then why are the tools still in the distro?
>>>
>>
>> Why is the appendix still in our bellies?
>>
>> That is actually a great question, Derek, and the truth is that the
>> bluetooth problem was discovered so late in the process that it is
>> just broken, not removed.
>
> Actually, it occurs to me that this is nothing to do with Kubuntu,
> anyway.  hcitool is not KDE  - it's much lower level than that.
>
> So the question is still "why doesn't hcitool work"?

Ah, but it _does_ have to do with Kubuntu. Kubuntu is the distro: the
folks who took all the tools (KDE, hcitool, Linux kernel) and packaged
them together. It is not a KDE issue, but it is a Kubuntu issue.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 08:24:54 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:24:54 -0500
Subject: For those who were following and assisting the EMERGENCY build
	problem.
In-Reply-To: <gfohtq$2hf$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <491CE8BD.1060304@sbcglobal.net> <gfohtq$2hf$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <491FD8D6.2060406@sbcglobal.net>

Sundar Nagarajan wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I have booted the computer and left it running for more than half an 
>> hour.  Although the heat sink fan is still not spinning, the computer is 
>> running quiet; nothing seems to be heating up.  I put my finger on cool 
>> components.
>>
>> My new monitor should be here tomorrow so I can get the bios set up and 
>> new OS hopefully installed.  So far it appears the build is just fine.  
>> Thanks again to all who helped.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
>
> I guess my previous message was unnecessary and too late. Glad you got 
> the problem figured out.
>
>
>   
It wasn't, my friend.  I spent a long time trying to get you well 
updated.  I want my experience to help others that face my problems.

Cordially,
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 08:37:20 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:37:20 -0500
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <200811160754.57323.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>	<200811160557.56125.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<491FC3AA.8050100@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811160754.57323.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <491FDBC0.1040007@sbcglobal.net>


>> Dear Nepal,
>>
>> When I type kmail into the terminal it opens Kmail. 
>> There is even a small icon on the Kmenu bar.  By that I
>> mean, when I place my cursor in the upper left corner of
>> the screen, the Kmenu icon and various other icons appear
>> atop the screen.  
>>     
>
> I assume this is just a standard kpanel?
>   
I believe so.  I simply put it at the top of the computer.  It hides 
until I put the cursor in the upper corner of the screen, then drops 
down.  I made the background invisible so only the icons show when it 
drops down.
>   
>> Now that I can open Kmail, 
>>     
>
> so you know it is on your system and does activate.
>   
Yes, I can even receive emails, however, I am having trouble configuring 
the send.  It doesn't work.  It is like I hoped, though, the print can 
be made as large as I want.
>   
>> there is a  
>> group of very small icons that include Konqueror, Kopete,
>> Ksysguard, Add/Remove Programs, and Kmail on that bar. 
>>     
>
> Those smaller icons are in the quicklauncher panel IIUC.
>   
They are like fine-print to me, so I only use them like now, when I 
can't seem to get a larger Kmail to show.
>   
>> Other icons on the drop-down are much larger.  I would
>> like to include Kmail as one of the larger icons, but
>> haven't been able to do so.  
>>     
>
> You cannot have larger icons on the quicklauncher AFAIU, not 
> a mix of large and small anyway.
>   
I could remove them, if I knew how.  I never use them, except right now 
I use the little Kmail icon.
>   
>> Normally those icons get 
>> placed on the drop-down by right clicking the item from
>> Kmenu.  Kmail isn't working on the Kmenu tree.  I see the
>> run option for Kmenu/Kmail, but I don't know what to type
>> into the box.  Will you help me?  For instance is it
>> something like, /usr/bin/.kmail?  TIA
>>     
>
> The easiest way I have found to add just a normal size icon 
> to a kpanel is to create the icon on the desktop first. 
> Right click on your desktop, create new link to 
> application, choose the application tab, fill in 
> description with your description. fill in the command line 
> with kmail or /usr/bin/kmail, normally just kmail would 
> work for my system. Select the General tab and choose your 
> icon.
>   
Do I type */usr/bin/kmail *on the box for 'Put Into Run Dialog' when I 
right-click on the Kmail from Kmenu tree?  If that is the case, I can 
get the Icon where I want it.
> when that is done just drag and drop it onto the kpanel. 
> Make sure it *is* a kpanel you are dropping it onto and the 
> panel is not locked. If it is locked right click on a blank 
> bit of the panel and unlock it first.
>
> I just did all that and it works on my system.
>
>   
>> By the way, I used a Thunderbird feature which increases
>> the font size of the outgoing email.  Does that make the
>> print too large when you receive the email?  If so, I
>> will reduce it in future writings.
>>
>> Steven
>>     
>
> No, your settings only affect your display, not mine.
>
> nepal.
>   
Thanks for your patience, Nepal.  Gradually I will learn this stuff.  
You have been so helpful.

Steven




From sundar.personal at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 09:02:21 2008
From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:02:21 -0800
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gfonii$ecv$1@ger.gmane.org>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> It's in the Release Notes:
> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#Kubuntu Bluetooth support
> 
> "Bluetooth is not supported in Kubuntu 8.10 because KDE does not yet
> support the bluez 4.x stack required for compatibility with the kernel
> used in 8.10. A fix for this is being evaluated as a post-release
> update. (Bug 280997)"
> 

So which bluez stack version _DOES_ Kubuntu 8.10 support? This seems 
like a *silly* mistake - compiling KDE against a libbluetooth2 version 
that is incompatible with the kernel bluetooth interface.

If I hadn't read it myself in the release notes you linked I would not 
have believed it. I would have thought that the regression test for 
libbluetooth2 (which I presume is what KDE would use) would include 
testing against the shipped kernel version. In fact, I cannot imagine 
what testing would have been possible against libbluetooth2 in 8.10 at 
all (unless it was decided not to ship libbluetooth2 because of 
incompatibility).

Sundar.




From lanzenesi at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 09:04:49 2008
From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:04:49 +0100
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail
	in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <491FE231.2050606@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> I googled with no result.  Several others need the answer, so if I can 
> find it here, I will update the Ubuntu forum.  TIA.

Just tested (kde4). Export from Thunderbird Address Book as vcf and 
import in KMail from vcf.

-- 
lanzen



From sundar.personal at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 09:18:39 2008
From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:18:39 -0800
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
In-Reply-To: <1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <gfooh4$gab$1@ger.gmane.org>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 
>> 2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>>> Then why are the tools still in the distro?
>>>
>> Why is the appendix still in our bellies?
>>
>> That is actually a great question, Derek, and the truth is that the
>> bluetooth problem was discovered so late in the process that it is
>> just broken, not removed.
> 
> Actually, it occurs to me that this is nothing to do with Kubuntu, 
> anyway.  hcitool is not KDE  - it's much lower level than that.
> 
> So the question is still "why doesn't hcitool work"?

I agree. I read the bug report, and it appears that the KDE bluetooth 
APPLET (GUI) in KDE 4.x which is included in 8.10 is not compatible with 
the bluez-4 stack. In fact some people on the bug discussion thread 
report that bluez-gnome works fine. So the underlying stack and tools, 
including hcitool, should work.

I have just played around a little with the bluez stack (on my eeePC), 
so I cannot offer anything really samrt on why hcitool didn't work. 
However, when I got my eeePC (running xandros, not ubuntu) to pair with 
my Blackberry, I had the pin hardcoded in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf. And 
after bringing hci0 up, I initiated pairing from the device end, not 
from Linux. Perhaps that is significant?

Sundar.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 09:35:24 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:35:24 -0500
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail
	in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <491FE231.2050606@gmail.com>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net> <491FE231.2050606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491FE95C.3050807@sbcglobal.net>

lanzen wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> I googled with no result.  Several others need the answer, so if I can 
>> find it here, I will update the Ubuntu forum.  TIA.
>>     
>
> Just tested (kde4). Export from Thunderbird Address Book as vcf and 
> import in KMail from vcf.
>
>   
Dear Lanzen,

First I have KDE 3.5.10. Hope that doesn't make too much difference.  
Soon I will have KDE 4, because I am building a new computer 64 bit.

I do not know how to export or know what a vcf is, or import or how to 
import in Kmail from vcf.

It must seem like you are trying to help a rock.  Little by little I 
learn, though.

If it isn't too much trouble could you be a little more specific on how 
I do what you just suggested.  Thanks friend,

Steven



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Sun Nov 16 10:38:46 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:38:46 +0000
Subject: bouncy messages
In-Reply-To: <200811160044.38127.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
References: <200811160044.38127.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <491FF836.7010203@yahoo.it>

Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
> Am I the only one getting bounced messages from this list with no subject and 
> a way-off date stamp?  I kind of suspect its either my mail client or server, 
> but I wanted to make sure.
> 

I'm getting messages like this (they show up without sender and subject):

; from=lists.ubuntu.com; dkim=neutral  (no  sig)
Received: from 91.189.94.204  (EHLO chlorine.canonical.com) (91.189.94.204)
  by mta475.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:55:32 -0800
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=chlorine.canonical.com)
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        by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
        (envelope-from <gluuk-kubuntu-users at m.gmane.org>) id 
1L1NUI-000683-JR
        for kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:55:06 +0000
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        by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
        id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
        for <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:55:03 
+0000
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        (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
        for <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:55:03 
+0000
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Mail-Followup-To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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...

and then the actual message (which was already received correctly, with 
sender and subject).

I.



From lucafbb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 11:01:58 2008
From: lucafbb at gmail.com (Luca)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:01:58 +0100
Subject: An apt-get problem today
In-Reply-To: <111555162.ChpKWAaB2O@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <27308d500811150301r21eb49e8s43263e0fa8728dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3669481.G98Hg8hofH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<27308d500811151109u321b93acpb497fe2ec2e7c1bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<111555162.ChpKWAaB2O@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <27308d500811160301o52a2a434ua8dee7ebbe71f8c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> I think though that you _will_ find there are files with gid=999, and a
> lot of them too.  So you can run "chgrp -h 0" on them yourself (that
> says "change the group to root, without dereferencing symlinks").

I'm not sure again of what you suggest in your replying...

With the command

sudo find -L $NINER_NINER_PATHS -gid 999 -print0 | xargs -0rt chgrp 0

I find """A LOT""" of messages like this; it seems that are all (or
many of them) in the .wine directory.

find: Symbolic link
`./.wine/dosdevices/z:/sys/devices/platform/pcspkr/subsystem/devices/i8042/serio0/subsystem/devices/serio1/input/input4/subsystem/input8/device/device:22/subsystem/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A03:00/PNP0C0F:04/driver/PNP0C0F:03/driver'
is part of a loop in the directory hierarchy; we have already visited
the directory to which it points.
find: Symbolic link
`./.wine/dosdevices/z:/sys/devices/platform/pcspkr/subsystem/devices/i8042/serio0/subsystem/devices/serio1/input/input4/subsystem/input8/device/device:22/subsystem/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A03:00/PNP0C0F:04/driver/PNP0C0F:04'
is part of a loop in the directory hierarchy; we have already visited
the directory to which it points.
find: Symbolic link
`./.wine/dosdevices/z:/sys/devices/platform/pcspkr/subsystem/devices/i8042/serio0/subsystem/devices/serio1/input/input4/subsystem/input8/device/device:22/subsystem/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A03:00/PNP0C0F:04/driver/PNP0C0F:05/subsystem'
is part of a loop in the directory hierarchy; we have already visited
the directory to which it points.
find: Symbolic link
`./.wine/dosdevices/z:/sys/devices/platform/pcspkr/subsystem/devices/i8042/serio0/subsystem/devices/serio1/input/input4/subsystem/input8/device/device:22/subsystem/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A03:00/PNP0C0F:04/driver/PNP0C0F:05/driver'
is part of a loop in the directory hierarchy; we have already visited
the directory to which it points.

None of them seems of group id 999.
Also I found that the z: dir into the .wine/dosdevices is a symlink to
the root (but I think this is normal)

I'm really stuck because I run/updated nothing in last weeks that can
have ruined something!

-- 
-- luca



From gkourtev at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 12:36:34 2008
From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:36:34 +0200
Subject: KDEBluetooth4 issue
Message-ID: <200811161436.35134.gkourtev@gmail.com>


Hello, friends.

I was trying to connect my phone with the laptop and found out that there is 
no icon in the tray for the bluetooth. Event after starting the KDEBluetooth4 
from the launch panel, nothing really happens, no icon, nothing. Even if I 
search with the phone for bluetooth device it seems not active. The system 
monitor however has a process 'bluetoothd' active.

Any ideas?
Thanks

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From jvr_78 at yahoo.com.ar  Sun Nov 16 15:17:11 2008
From: jvr_78 at yahoo.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:11 -0300
Subject: The same problem, but this time "by default"
In-Reply-To: <491E2270.4030103@swbell.net>
References: <491DFAA7.2060106@swbell.net><200811141850.27618.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<491E2270.4030103@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <BA111CE28CD4499D8C4724CAC0F0A070@NoEsHisterica>

Hi everyone !
I have a wireless onboard in my notebook olivetti 530.
the chipset is RTL8187B

I boot with live cd of Kubuntu 8.10-
and I can see all wireless networks, but I can´t connect.
I try with ndiswrapper, and no works.
its the same, can see all networks, but I can´t connect with any network.

somebody can make it works?
please Help me.
best regards
Javier Ramirez 

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From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 15:00:25 2008
From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:00:25 -0500
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
In-Reply-To: <1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <49203589.90003@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>   
>> 2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>>     
>>> Then why are the tools still in the distro?
>>>
>>>       
>> Why is the appendix still in our bellies?
>>
>> That is actually a great question, Derek, and the truth is that the
>> bluetooth problem was discovered so late in the process that it is
>> just broken, not removed.
>>     
>
> Actually, it occurs to me that this is nothing to do with Kubuntu, 
> anyway.  hcitool is not KDE  - it's much lower level than that.
>
> So the question is still "why doesn't hcitool work"?
>   
Bluetooth is one of those things that I don't believe will ever work.
I have been using bluetooth since FC7 and it was broke, then they fixed it,
It was fix once in FC8 then when they update then it got broken, FC9 it 
was broken, then it got fixed.
In FC10 it's plain BROKEN.
No one knows weather it's the kernel guys or the Bluez Brother that is 
going to finally fix it.



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Sun Nov 16 15:51:50 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:51:50 +0200
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
Message-ID: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>

I have a 4 year old AMD Athlon 64 3000 Venice 939 processor on a MSI K8N Neo4 mainboard. My two 
boys are complaining that Kubuntu 8.10 is running too slow for them.....

I am thinking about upgrading the processor to something more modern. The fastest similar 
processor that I can find is the AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Socket 939; but there is also an Athlon 64 
X2 4600+ Socket 939.

Are the X2 processors compatible with older mainboards? Or would a BIOS update take care of things?

Blessings,

Nigel

-- 



From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 15:57:30 2008
From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:57:30 -0500
Subject: KDEBluetooth4 issue
In-Reply-To: <200811161436.35134.gkourtev@gmail.com>
References: <200811161436.35134.gkourtev@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492042EA.50908@sbcglobal.net>

Georgi Kourtev wrote:
>
> Hello, friends.
>
> I was trying to connect my phone with the laptop and found out that 
> there is no icon in the tray for the bluetooth. Event after starting 
> the KDEBluetooth4 from the launch panel, nothing really happens, no 
> icon, nothing. Even if I search with the phone for bluetooth device it 
> seems not active. The system monitor however has a process 
> 'bluetoothd' active.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
Bluetooth is broken , even in Fedora.



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sun Nov 16 16:03:10 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:03:10 -0600
Subject: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown again?
In-Reply-To: <491FAADE.6060707@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>	<491F1F0A.2060503@swbell.net>	<491F3DE6.5010306@sbcglobal.net>	<491F5B97.3090705@swbell.net>
	<491FAADE.6060707@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4920443E.3040304@swbell.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Billie Walsh wrote:
>   
>> On 11/15/2008 Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>>  Billie Walsh wrote:
>>>  > > Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>  > >  
>>>  >> >> I removed Kmail from the Kmenu dropdown when I decided to use
>>>  >> >> Thunderbird.  It is still installed on my computer.  I recently
>>>  >> >> purchased a new monitor with a 22" screen.  It allows me to
>>>  increase
>>>  >> >> Print Size to an easily readable size on everything but Firefox
>>>  and
>>>  >> >> Thunderbird.  There are ways to increase font size temporarily
>>>  when you
>>>  >> >> read emails, but it is progressive requiring repeating a
>>>  several click
>>>  >> >> process to get to an acceptable size, and nothing else on the
>>>  screen
>>>  >> >> increases, so it only improves that area of the screen.  You
>>>  can also
>>>  >> >> permanently increase the size of print when you write or reply
>>>  to an
>>>  >> >> email, however, as before, the balance of the screen is still
>>>  fine print.
>>>  >> >>  
>>>  >> >>    
>>>  > >
>>>  > > TB and Ff don't usually follow the system defaults for font. They
>>>  have
>>>  > > to be set in the preferences for each one. I like the arial font
>>>  for
>>>  > > it's clearness and have to set the font size to about 18 on my
>>>  LCD
>>>  > > monitor to get it big enough [ about the same size as 12 on my
>>>  old CRT
>>>  > > and lower res ]. I can't read the standard sans serif as easily.
>>>  > >  
>>>  And does this change the font size of all the fonts on the page?  I
>>>  would like to open the program and easily be able to read the name of
>>>  the program, the menu items, when a menu item is opened, the choices,
>>>  the incoming email titles and the print size of my reply, without
>>>  having
>>>  to enter the menu multiple times to make adjustments.  Everything
>>>  else
>>>  works that way, why don't FF and TB?  I can find no configuration
>>>  option
>>>  that allows for permanent changes.  It is probably my lack of
>>>  intelligence, however, that is why I am asking for help on a subject
>>>  that should be a no-brainer.
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> I think the KDE settings work for anything you see in the, well on my 
>> computer, blue band across the top. The font setting within TB just seem 
>> to change the size of the font in the read pane only. In Firefox the web 
>> page designer has more control over what you see for fonts on your 
>> screen. You can set a minimum font size however. Doesn't work for 
>> _everything_ but does help
>>
>>   
>>     
> My problem is old age.  I need larger print size.  How can I set 
> minimums at perhaps 16.  All the other of my screen visuals are that 
> way.  I just love it.  No head aches from eye strain.  When I chose 
> browser and email server in the first place, I opted for Firefox and 
> Thunderbird.  I foolishly removed Kmail from the Kmenu just to reduce 
> the size of the list by removing things I did not use.  Now I can not 
> seem to get Kmail back in.  I would like to see if Kmail can be 
> configured in larger print.  It worked in Dolphin, and my Desktop print 
> size is nice size.  Trying to get Kmail back on the Kmenu, I tried 
> Kmenu/Menu Editor  then Ctrl-N.  It put Kmail as the first time on the 
> Kmenu, however, nothing I do to attempt to re-install Kmail works, and 
> the Kmenu reference doesn't do anything when I click on it.  This as 
> become quite a problem.
>
>   
Instead of removing something to make a menu shorter I find it better to 
use the menu editor to create groups  and group some programs by what 
they do in order to get them off the main menu. Create a group called 
"Browsers" in the "Internet" group and move all the web browsers into 
that group for instance. In this way _all_ the browsers you might have 
installed are in one menu not scattered among all the other stuff in 
your "Internet" group.. Do the same for all your mail programs and so on.

I've never used Kmail so I can't help you there.

_Thunderbird:_

Mouse clicks : Edit > Preferences > Display > Formatting > Fonts

Here you can set font sizes. Mine is set to 18 for the same reason you 
want to set your larger. E-mails received in an HTML format may override 
any settings you have for that e-mail.

_Firefox:_

Mouse clicks : Edit > Preferences > Content > Advanced

Here you can set a minimum font size. Here again, mine is set to 18. 
This setting may not work on EVERY web page because the web page 
designer has some control over fonts and sizes. If they specify 
something different in their web page it may override any setting you 
have made while your viewing the page.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From almilis at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 16:03:22 2008
From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:03:22 +0700
Subject: (Follow Up) How to strace?!
Message-ID: <36135600811160803x6cf21b49n1ae1c1c97f23cfa7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 I wrote:
> I have successfully installed VMware Player on many kubuntus but
> one systems!
>
> When running the player, it will abort with this error message:
> "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Glib::FileError'"
>
> I tried to Google, but could not find any working solution.
> Thank you for any clue!

After many trials and errors, the problem was solved by just
deleting some entries in "/usr/local/share/icons/hicolor/".
I have no idea on how that directory is related to vmware.
I tried to use "strace" but "/usr/local" did not appear.

Any clue on how to trace this problem without trial/error?

Thank you.

-- 
Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis
Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/
Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/



From tycho at tycho.ws  Sun Nov 16 16:07:15 2008
From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:07:15 -0600
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
In-Reply-To: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <49b3a7400811160807n25e6ac80o89e0f3fd1775e7e@mail.gmail.com>

Nigel:

How much RAM does the system have, and do you know if you can add more? That
may be another (possibly cheaper) option to upgrading the system, and you
might see better results depending on where the bottleneck is.

Tycho

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>wrote:

> I have a 4 year old AMD Athlon 64 3000 Venice 939 processor on a MSI K8N
> Neo4 mainboard. My two
> boys are complaining that Kubuntu 8.10 is running too slow for them.....
>
> I am thinking about upgrading the processor to something more modern. The
> fastest similar
> processor that I can find is the AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Socket 939; but there
> is also an Athlon 64
> X2 4600+ Socket 939.
>
> Are the X2 processors compatible with older mainboards? Or would a BIOS
> update take care of things?
>
> Blessings,
>
> Nigel
>
> --
>
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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Sun Nov 16 16:25:24 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:25:24 +0200
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
In-Reply-To: <49b3a7400811160807n25e6ac80o89e0f3fd1775e7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49b3a7400811160807n25e6ac80o89e0f3fd1775e7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49204974.4070003@prayingforisrael.net>

Tycho Andersen wrote:
> Nigel:
> 
> How much RAM does the system have, and do you know if you can add more? That
> may be another (possibly cheaper) option to upgrading the system, and you
> might see better results depending on where the bottleneck is.
> 
> Tycho

It has 1GB and yes there is room for more.

Nigel


> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>wrote:
> 
>> I have a 4 year old AMD Athlon 64 3000 Venice 939 processor on a MSI K8N
>> Neo4 mainboard. My two
>> boys are complaining that Kubuntu 8.10 is running too slow for them.....
>>
>> I am thinking about upgrading the processor to something more modern. The
>> fastest similar
>> processor that I can find is the AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Socket 939; but there
>> is also an Athlon 64
>> X2 4600+ Socket 939.
>>
>> Are the X2 processors compatible with older mainboards? Or would a BIOS
>> update take care of things?
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
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From hvralpha at intekom.co.za  Sun Nov 16 16:42:26 2008
From: hvralpha at intekom.co.za (Hein van Rensburg)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:42:26 +0200
Subject: Upgrading Processor
Message-ID: <200811161842.26634.hvralpha@intekom.co.za>

Hallo Nigel, 

My vote is also for more ram. At least 2 GB and it will make a significant 
difference. Upgrading the processor is marginal at best except for very 
intensive games and then the graphics card is more important.

You can look at the board handbook and they will tell you which processors it 
can take.

Hein





From iodine at runbox.no  Sun Nov 16 16:48:10 2008
From: iodine at runbox.no (iodine at runbox.no)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:48:10 +0100
Subject: Upgrading Processor
In-Reply-To: <200811161842.26634.hvralpha@intekom.co.za>
References: <200811161842.26634.hvralpha@intekom.co.za>
Message-ID: <49204ECA.6030508@runbox.no>

Hein van Rensburg wrote:
> Hallo Nigel, 
> 
> My vote is also for more ram. At least 2 GB and it will make a significant 
> difference. Upgrading the processor is marginal at best except for very 
> intensive games and then the graphics card is more important.

Upgrading from a single-core to a dual-core CPU makes a
significant difference however.

-- 
Odd



From stan10x10 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 17:15:31 2008
From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:15:31 -0500
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
In-Reply-To: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0811160915w145e1b9aw71e85116c6e98067@mail.gmail.com>

Ram is cheap and would be a first step. If thats not enough and your
motherboard accepts the dual core it should also be inexpensive.  At 4 years
old you might want to start thinking about a motherboard/cpu upgrade in the
not to distant future rather than spending much on your current system.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Nigel Ridley
<nigel at prayingforisrael.net>wrote:

> I have a 4 year old AMD Athlon 64 3000 Venice 939 processor on a MSI K8N
> Neo4 mainboard. My two
> boys are complaining that Kubuntu 8.10 is running too slow for them.....
>
> I am thinking about upgrading the processor to something more modern. The
> fastest similar
> processor that I can find is the AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Socket 939; but there
> is also an Athlon 64
> X2 4600+ Socket 939.
>
> Are the X2 processors compatible with older mainboards? Or would a BIOS
> update take care of things?
>
> Blessings,
>
> Nigel
>
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>
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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Sun Nov 16 17:28:15 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:28:15 +0200
Subject: OT: Batch converting .flv to .mp3 using ffmpeg
Message-ID: <4920582F.8010502@prayingforisrael.net>

My daughter has given me a nice job :-)!
She wants me to convert about 30 flash movie clips to MP3. At the moment I can do them 
individually using the following:

ffmpeg -i name_of_video_clip.flv -vn name_of_file.mp3

How can I convert a batch of them at the same time?

I know it must be possible as I use the following to batch covert jpg's (for my daughters' 
facebook accounts):

for i in *.JPG; do montage -geometry 450x600  -quality 75 $i -$i; done

Blessings,

Nigel

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From francisco.borges at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 17:39:04 2008
From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:39:04 +0100
Subject: KDEBluetooth4 issue
In-Reply-To: <200811161436.35134.gkourtev@gmail.com>
References: <200811161436.35134.gkourtev@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f950edef0811160939y48e655d4ma94bd4262931d231@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Georgi Kourtev <gkourtev at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hello, friends.
>
> I was trying to connect my phone with the laptop and found out that there
> is no icon in the tray for the bluetooth. Event after starting the
> KDEBluetooth4 from the launch panel, nothing really happens, no icon,
> nothing. Even if I search with the phone for bluetooth device it seems not
> active. The system monitor however has a process 'bluetoothd' active.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
>
KDE's native bluetooth support is broken in Intrepid. Please check this bug
report:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/280997

Some people commenting on that bug case have reported success using Gnome's
framework to use bluetooth.

The only suggestion I have is therefore to install the gnome tools for it.

OTOH I have to say that I didn't manage to get a stable connection to my
phone in order to successfully finish a larger-than-usual download of
pictures from it. The gnome tools hanged after a certain number of pictures.
Though I don't know if the problem lies within gnome, or at bluez.

Kind regards,
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From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 17:51:51 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:51:51 +0200
Subject: OT: Batch converting .flv to .mp3 using ffmpeg
In-Reply-To: <4920582F.8010502@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <4920582F.8010502@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <49205DB7.9080000@gmail.com>

Nigel Ridley wrote:
> My daughter has given me a nice job :-)!
> She wants me to convert about 30 flash movie clips to MP3. At the moment I can do them 
> individually using the following:
> 
> ffmpeg -i name_of_video_clip.flv -vn name_of_file.mp3
> 
> How can I convert a batch of them at the same time?
> 
> I know it must be possible as I use the following to batch covert jpg's (for my daughters' 
> facebook accounts):
> 
> for i in *.JPG; do montage -geometry 450x600  -quality 75 $i -$i; done
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Nigel
> 

i'm not very knowledgeable in bash scripts and it's loop functions, but 
it seems reasonable for me to do a:

for i in *.flv; do ffmpeg -i $i -vn $i.mp3

not sure if $i.mp3 is a legal option, and anyways, i think this will 
create a file.flv.mp3 name. still needs some minor editing :P
hopefully, i'll learn some more from the upcoming emails :D

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Sun Nov 16 18:24:08 2008
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:24:08 -0500
Subject: OT: Batch converting .flv to .mp3 using ffmpeg
In-Reply-To: <49205DB7.9080000@gmail.com>
References: <4920582F.8010502@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49205DB7.9080000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49206548.2010904@gatech.edu>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> i'm not very knowledgeable in bash scripts and it's loop functions, but
> it seems reasonable for me to do a:
> 
> for i in *.flv; do ffmpeg -i $i -vn $i.mp3
> 
> not sure if $i.mp3 is a legal option
FFMPEG isn't interpreting the variable, the shell is.

> create a file.flv.mp3 name. still needs some minor editing :P

Right.  To handle the extension, use:

for i in *.flv; do ffmpeg -i "$i" -vn "${i%flv}mp3"; done

Matt Flaschen



From tycho at tycho.ws  Sun Nov 16 18:31:52 2008
From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:31:52 -0600
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
In-Reply-To: <49204974.4070003@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49b3a7400811160807n25e6ac80o89e0f3fd1775e7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<49204974.4070003@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <49b3a7400811161031o72b2c33ay59267fb0a95c31c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Nigel Ridley
<nigel at prayingforisrael.net> wrote:
>
> Tycho Andersen wrote:
> > Nigel:
> >
> > How much RAM does the system have, and do you know if you can add more? That
> > may be another (possibly cheaper) option to upgrading the system, and you
> > might see better results depending on where the bottleneck is.
> >
> > Tycho
>
> It has 1GB and yes there is room for more.
>
> Nigel

I'm running 8.10 on a box of similar age with similar specs (AMD
FX-55, nVidia 6800GT, 2GB RAM). After disabling the desktop effects,
KDE4 responds quite a bit faster. You might also try that first, to
see if it helps at all.

Tycho



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Sun Nov 16 19:19:24 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:19:24 +0200
Subject: OT: Batch converting .flv to .mp3 using ffmpeg
In-Reply-To: <49206548.2010904@gatech.edu>
References: <4920582F.8010502@prayingforisrael.net>	<49205DB7.9080000@gmail.com>
	<49206548.2010904@gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <4920723C.8070105@prayingforisrael.net>

Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>> i'm not very knowledgeable in bash scripts and it's loop functions, but
>> it seems reasonable for me to do a:
>>
>> for i in *.flv; do ffmpeg -i $i -vn $i.mp3
>>
>> not sure if $i.mp3 is a legal option
> FFMPEG isn't interpreting the variable, the shell is.
> 
>> create a file.flv.mp3 name. still needs some minor editing :P
> 
> Right.  To handle the extension, use:
> 
> for i in *.flv; do ffmpeg -i "$i" -vn "${i%flv}mp3"; done
> 
> Matt Flaschen
> 

That worked a treat :-) Thank you!

Nigel

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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Sun Nov 16 19:21:32 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:21:32 +0200
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
In-Reply-To: <49b3a7400811161031o72b2c33ay59267fb0a95c31c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>	<49b3a7400811160807n25e6ac80o89e0f3fd1775e7e@mail.gmail.com>	<49204974.4070003@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49b3a7400811161031o72b2c33ay59267fb0a95c31c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492072BC.905@prayingforisrael.net>

Tycho Andersen wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Nigel Ridley
> <nigel at prayingforisrael.net> wrote:
>> Tycho Andersen wrote:
>>> Nigel:
>>>
>>> How much RAM does the system have, and do you know if you can add more? That
>>> may be another (possibly cheaper) option to upgrading the system, and you
>>> might see better results depending on where the bottleneck is.
>>>
>>> Tycho
>> It has 1GB and yes there is room for more.
>>
>> Nigel
> 
> I'm running 8.10 on a box of similar age with similar specs (AMD
> FX-55, nVidia 6800GT, 2GB RAM). After disabling the desktop effects,
> KDE4 responds quite a bit faster. You might also try that first, to
> see if it helps at all.
> 
> Tycho
> 

Desktop effects are already disabled - is there any *real* use to them?

Nigel

-- 



From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 16 19:24:17 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:24:17 -0600
Subject: bouncy messages
In-Reply-To: <491FF836.7010203@yahoo.it>
References: <200811160044.38127.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<491FF836.7010203@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <200811161324.18463.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

On Sunday 16 November 2008 4:38:46 am Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> I'm getting messages like this (they show up without sender and subject):
>
> ; from=lists.ubuntu.com; dkim=neutral  (no  sig)
> Received: from 91.189.94.204  (EHLO chlorine.canonical.com) (91.189.94.204)
>   by mta475.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:55:32 -0800
> Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=chlorine.canonical.com)
>         by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
>         (envelope-from <kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com>)
>         id 1L1NUK-00068j-L8; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:55:09 +0000
> Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org)
>         by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
>         (envelope-from <gluuk-kubuntu-users at m.gmane.org>) id
> 1L1NUI-000683-JR
>         for kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:55:06 +0000
> Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43)
>         id 1L1NUF-0006fr-Aq
>         for kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:55:03 +0000
> Received: from dpc67142237068.direcpc.com ([67.142.237.68])
>         by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
>         id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
>         for <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:55:03
> +0000
> Received: from news by dpc67142237068.direcpc.com with local (Gmexim 0.1
>         (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
>         for <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:55:03
> +0000
> X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/
> Mail-Followup-To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> ...
>
> and then the actual message (which was already received correctly, with
> sender and subject).

Precisely what I'm getting.



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sun Nov 16 19:40:56 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:40:56 -0600
Subject: Keyboard Issues - Solved
Message-ID: <49207748.7050700@swbell.net>

It turned out that somehow the "Slow Keys" got activated. It also had 
something about letting gestures turn stuff on so I turned that off also.



From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be  Sun Nov 16 19:41:27 2008
From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:41:27 +0100
Subject: Help - No sound at all
Message-ID: <200811162041.27350.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>

No sound at all.. acer aspire 6920

Hey!
I have no sound in Intrepid Ibex on my new Acer Aspire 6920 laptop... Have 
checked the volume control and unmuted the PCM control... Have followed a 
couple of guides, but nothing works...

This is my status:
:~$ aplay -l
**** Lijst van PLAYBACK hardware-apparaten ****
kaart 0: Intel [HDA Intel], apparaat 0: ALC889 Analog [ALC889 Analog]
  Sub-apparaten: 0/1
  Sub-apparaat #0: subdevice #0

:~$ cat /proc/asound/devices
  2:        : timer
  3:        : sequencer
  4: [ 0- 4]: digital audio capture
  5: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
  6: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
  7: [ 0]   : control

What to do???



From jtwdyp at ttlc.net  Sun Nov 16 19:49:35 2008
From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:49:35 -0500
Subject: how to get a real root/user seperation?
In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0810091659v10e233cs2d89fb48e239e51e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200810091718.27986.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de>
	<3dde113c0810091659v10e233cs2d89fb48e239e51e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0811161347310.5874@localhost.localdomain>


It would appear that on Oct 9, John DeCarlo did say:

> 
> Dex, the two things you are talking about are completely different.
> 
> With Kubuntu and Ubuntu, only the first user you set up will have sudo
> privileges, by default.
> 
> So if you want to set up a few boxes and not have users mess with them, set
> up an administrator account first on each one.
> 
> Then you are done, and don't need to worry.

Of course if he is really more comfortable with the root account model
and is used to how to keep one secure, then there IS another
alternative...

Step one is to set the root password so that there IS one...

Step two is to use visudo to edit the sudoers file and set the rootpw
flag by adding it to the Defaults line...

IE: if it currently looks like:

Defaults        env_reset

make it look like:

Defaults        env_reset,rootpw

Then when (_any_user_with_sudo_privileges) uses sudo, or one of the
gui admin apps that in kubuntu look for sudo authorization, it will
expect them to supply the root passwd instead of their own every day
use one...

It will of course still want them to have sudo privileges.
Which by default in Kubuntu seems to mean that they are in
the admin group.

I learned this because I never believed that my own every day
use password would remain secure from casual observation by
shoulder surfers. I need to enter it to login for every day
mundane tasks. And to unlock my kde session etc... Thus sooner
or later I'll stop waiting till there isn't anybody else in the room
where they _could_ be watching me enter it.

When I need to do something that actually needs the root passwd I tend to
think of it as a more dangerous process. And since I don't need to enter
it twenty times a day, I'm more likely to take the extra care it takes to
prevent the password from being compromised. 

I could have simply set up an admin as first user on the box
as you suggest. But then unless I wanted to add my personal
everyday use account to the admin group (which would have made
my every day use password too powerful...), I'd have had to
log in as that admin before I could use sudo or one of
those nice gui admin tools.


-- 
|   ---   ___
|   <0>   <->	   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|	^		J(tWdy)P
|    ~\___/~	     <<jtwdyp at ttlc.net>>




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 19:53:54 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:53:54 -0500
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet dropdown
	again? SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <4920443E.3040304@swbell.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>	<491F1F0A.2060503@swbell.net>	<491F3DE6.5010306@sbcglobal.net>	<491F5B97.3090705@swbell.net>	<491FAADE.6060707@sbcglobal.net>
	<4920443E.3040304@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <49207A52.1070503@sbcglobal.net>

Billie Walsh wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Billie Walsh wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> On 11/15/2008 Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>
> Instead of removing something to make a menu shorter I find it better to 
> use the menu editor to create groups  and group some programs by what 
> they do in order to get them off the main menu. Create a group called 
> "Browsers" in the "Internet" group and move all the web browsers into 
> that group for instance. In this way _all_ the browsers you might have 
> installed are in one menu not scattered among all the other stuff in 
> your "Internet" group.. Do the same for all your mail programs and so on.
>
> I've never used Kmail so I can't help you there.
>   
I have installed and can receive emails in Kmail.  I haven't been able 
to get the send configuration right yet, so I cannot send yet, but all 
fonts increase in size fine using Kmail.  I think it will become my 
default server.  It looks like it has the things I want.
> _Thunderbird:_
>
> Mouse clicks : Edit > Preferences > Display > Formatting > Fonts
>
> Here you can set font sizes. Mine is set to 18 for the same reason you 
> want to set your larger. E-mails received in an HTML format may override 
> any settings you have for that e-mail.
>   
I have searched and searched and come up with the same result.  Since I 
cannot increase the size of all the fonts, I have decided to change mail 
servers.  If Kmail doesn't satisfy me, I will try until I can find one 
that increases all print size to a minimum that is acceptable.

I may even change browsers, because even though I like Firefox, there is 
something very attractive about having both browser and email in the 
same program.  In fact, it appears that Dolphin, Konqueror, and Kmail 
are seamlessly in the same offering.  I may be wrong, but it looks that 
way.  That is really attractive, because you stay in the same package 
all the time, kind of a one click thing.  I was not prepared for how 
much I would like having a larger monitor.  This 22" seems perfect.  
There is little horizontal scrolling required ever, and my old eyes get 
a rest because of the increase in print size.
> _Firefox:_
>
> Mouse clicks : Edit > Preferences > Content > Advanced
>
> Here you can set a minimum font size. Here again, mine is set to 18. 
> This setting may not work on EVERY web page because the web page 
> designer has some control over fonts and sizes. If they specify 
> something different in their web page it may override any setting you 
> have made while your viewing the page.
>   
I got this information yesterday.  It has been wonderful using the 
browser, but now I am considering changing to Konqueror.  You suggested 
not having knowledge about Kmail.  I didn't like it when I first tried 
it, however, I was still much less knowledgeable about how to operate 
Linux.  Now, with a little more experience, it looks like KDE's method 
may be very much better.  I can already see that when I get send 
configured properly Kmail looks much better to me.  I am anxious to work 
the package.  It appears that having that address bar at the top you can 
go directly to files in your computer, or directly to the internet, or 
write or answer an email.  I haven't really looked into it yet, because 
I am focused on mail, but my cursory glance saw those possibilities.  
And if they aren't there, they should be if possible.  I have a poor old 
memory, but if my experience confirms what I just said, I will try to 
give you an appraisal after I have used it a bit.

Steven




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 19:58:31 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:58:31 -0500
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
In-Reply-To: <49b3a7400811160807n25e6ac80o89e0f3fd1775e7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49b3a7400811160807n25e6ac80o89e0f3fd1775e7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49207B67.1030003@sbcglobal.net>

Tycho Andersen wrote:
> Nigel:
>
> How much RAM does the system have, and do you know if you can add 
> more? That may be another (possibly cheaper) option to upgrading the 
> system, and you might see better results depending on where the 
> bottleneck is.
>
> Tycho
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Nigel Ridley 
> <nigel at prayingforisrael.net <mailto:nigel at prayingforisrael.net>> wrote:
>
>     I have a 4 year old AMD Athlon 64 3000 Venice 939 processor on a
>     MSI K8N Neo4 mainboard. My two
>     boys are complaining that Kubuntu 8.10 is running too slow for
>     them.....
>
>     I am thinking about upgrading the processor to something more
>     modern. The fastest similar
>     processor that I can find is the AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Socket 939;
>     but there is also an Athlon 64
>     X2 4600+ Socket 939.
>
>     Are the X2 processors compatible with older mainboards? Or would a
>     BIOS update take care of things?
>
>     Blessings,
>
>     Nigel
>
>     --
>
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>
>
When I first read your post, I had the same thought.  I don't feel 
qualified to give that advice, but I remember when I had lots of memory 
in my AMD 1800+, it seemed to work as fast as the then cutting edge 
2.4mhz computers my friends had.

Now I am going from 2.4ghz to 2.4 Quad core, so I missed the 
in-between.  I wish I had posted now, it might have been helpful, and I 
would very much like to be helpful to you, Nigel, as much as you have 
helped me.

Steven



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov 16 20:31:04 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:31:04 -0400
Subject: bouncy messages
References: <200811160044.38127.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<491FF836.7010203@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <2667779.UzCRCSi5qO@cedar.serverforest.com>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:

> Received: from dpc67142237068.direcpc.com ([67.142.237.68])
>         by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
>         id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
>         for <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008
>         15:55:03

Phew.  I was worried for a moment, as my headers (also via gmane) would 
show as being via direcpc, but that's not my IP...
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov 16 20:41:38 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:41:38 -0400
Subject: An apt-get problem today
References: <27308d500811150301r21eb49e8s43263e0fa8728dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3669481.G98Hg8hofH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<27308d500811151109u321b93acpb497fe2ec2e7c1bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<111555162.ChpKWAaB2O@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<27308d500811160301o52a2a434ua8dee7ebbe71f8c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3167125.foyetouH9Q@cedar.serverforest.com>

Luca wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Derek Broughton
> <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>> I think though that you _will_ find there are files with gid=999, and
>> a
>> lot of them too.  So you can run "chgrp -h 0" on them yourself (that
>> says "change the group to root, without dereferencing symlinks").
> 
> I'm not sure again of what you suggest in your replying...
> 
> With the command
> 
> sudo find -L $NINER_NINER_PATHS -gid 999 -print0 | xargs -0rt chgrp 0

You don't really think that will just work, do you?  $NINER_NINER_PATHS 
would have to actually have _some_ value... and you'll need to look at 
the postinst script to figure out what it should be.
 
> I find """A LOT""" of messages like this; it seems that are all (or
> many of them) in the .wine directory.
> 
> find: Symbolic link
> `./.wine/dosdevices/z:/sys/devices/platform/pcspkr/subsystem/devices/i8042/serio0/subsystem/devices/serio1/input/input4/subsystem/input8/device/device:22/subsystem/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A03:00/PNP0C0F:04/driver/PNP0C0F:03/driver'
> is part of a loop in the directory hierarchy; we have already visited

Well, there you go.  That's why I said I think you probably should be 
fixing your filesystem.  You've got a "find" command stuck in a loop, no 
wonder it's passing too many files to xargs.  It would be good to find out why that link is cyclic and break it.

It's about 95% likely that just removing those lines from the script, 
and running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" will work (at least, iirc, that 
runs the postinst script).  But there's a small chance that you really 
_do_ have something with an invalid gid.
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 21:09:03 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:09:03 -0500
Subject: bouncy messages
In-Reply-To: <2667779.UzCRCSi5qO@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811160044.38127.pandarsson@yahoo.com>	<491FF836.7010203@yahoo.it>
	<2667779.UzCRCSi5qO@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <49208BEF.9020704@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>
>   
>> Received: from dpc67142237068.direcpc.com ([67.142.237.68])
>>         by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
>>         id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
>>         for <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008
>>         15:55:03
>>     
>
> Phew.  I was worried for a moment, as my headers (also via gmane) would 
> show as being via direcpc, but that's not my IP...
>   
I don't see you get much help.  I wish I could help you.  Someone will 
help, this is the best place for that.  As soon as someone recognizes 
the problem and has the solution, you will get your fix.  This a home 
for people in need.

Ciao,
Steven



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov 16 20:34:52 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:34:52 -0400
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>
	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<gfooh4$gab$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1426699.9fIckoU895@cedar.serverforest.com>

Sundar Nagarajan wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 
>>> 2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>>>> Then why are the tools still in the distro?
>>>>
>>> Why is the appendix still in our bellies?
>>>
>>> That is actually a great question, Derek, and the truth is that the
>>> bluetooth problem was discovered so late in the process that it is
>>> just broken, not removed.
>> 
>> Actually, it occurs to me that this is nothing to do with Kubuntu,
>> anyway.  hcitool is not KDE  - it's much lower level than that.
>> 
>> So the question is still "why doesn't hcitool work"?
> 
> I agree. I read the bug report, and it appears that the KDE bluetooth
> APPLET (GUI) in KDE 4.x which is included in 8.10 is not compatible
> with the bluez-4 stack. In fact some people on the bug discussion
> thread report that bluez-gnome works fine. So the underlying stack and
> tools, including hcitool, should work.

That's my understanding too, but not what Dotan is saying.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov 16 20:33:39 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:33:39 -0400
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>
	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811160014u5c6a4aa6qe90bc08d26bf8658@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8919700.Gh7V5Q7OcQ@cedar.serverforest.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> 2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>>> 2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>>>> Then why are the tools still in the distro?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why is the appendix still in our bellies?
>>>
>>> That is actually a great question, Derek, and the truth is that the
>>> bluetooth problem was discovered so late in the process that it is
>>> just broken, not removed.
>>
>> Actually, it occurs to me that this is nothing to do with Kubuntu,
>> anyway.  hcitool is not KDE  - it's much lower level than that.
>>
>> So the question is still "why doesn't hcitool work"?
> 
> Ah, but it _does_ have to do with Kubuntu. Kubuntu is the distro: the
> folks who took all the tools (KDE, hcitool, Linux kernel) and packaged
> them together. It is not a KDE issue, but it is a Kubuntu issue.
 
That doesn't work unless "all" the tools are unsupported in Ubuntu - in 
which case, I don't even get why this is announced as a Kubuntu issue.
-- 
derek




From MSmith at carrollcc.edu  Sun Nov 16 21:40:00 2008
From: MSmith at carrollcc.edu (Smith, Mike)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:40:00 -0500
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>	<880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<49203589.90003@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E7A614@mail2.carrollcc.edu>

8.04 blue tooth worked just fine for me and I about half think that it worked fine in 7.10. I only use it to upload programs to a NXT brick. So there may be other issues that were not affecting me till the last release.


-----Original Message-----
From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com on behalf of Jim
Sent: Sun 11/16/2008 10:00 AM
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions
Subject: Re: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
 
Derek Broughton wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>   
>> 2008/11/15 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>>     
>>> Then why are the tools still in the distro?
>>>
>>>       
>> Why is the appendix still in our bellies?
>>
>> That is actually a great question, Derek, and the truth is that the
>> bluetooth problem was discovered so late in the process that it is
>> just broken, not removed.
>>     
>
> Actually, it occurs to me that this is nothing to do with Kubuntu, 
> anyway.  hcitool is not KDE  - it's much lower level than that.
>
> So the question is still "why doesn't hcitool work"?
>   
Bluetooth is one of those things that I don't believe will ever work.
I have been using bluetooth since FC7 and it was broke, then they fixed it,
It was fix once in FC8 then when they update then it got broken, FC9 it 
was broken, then it got fixed.
In FC10 it's plain BROKEN.
No one knows weather it's the kernel guys or the Bluez Brother that is 
going to finally fix it.

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From tycho at tycho.ws  Sun Nov 16 22:31:12 2008
From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:31:12 -0600
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
In-Reply-To: <492072BC.905@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49b3a7400811160807n25e6ac80o89e0f3fd1775e7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<49204974.4070003@prayingforisrael.net>
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	<492072BC.905@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <49b3a7400811161431y75f9fd29m26fb1a396d70a208@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Nigel Ridley
<nigel at prayingforisrael.net> wrote:
> Desktop effects are already disabled - is there any *real* use to them?

I think that's a discussion for a whole separate thread ;-)

Another option would be to upgrade the video card. Part of the reason
I think my system is still usable after 5 years is that I have some
decent hardware acceleration from my nVidia card.

Tycho



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 23:21:06 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:21:06 +1000
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet
	dropdown again? SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <49207A52.1070503@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <4920443E.3040304@swbell.net>
	<49207A52.1070503@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811170921.06633.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:53:54 am Steven Vollom wrote:
> Billie Walsh wrote:
> > Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> Billie Walsh wrote:
> >>> On 11/15/2008 Steven Vollom wrote:
> >
>
> I have installed and can receive emails in Kmail.  I haven't been able
> to get the send configuration right yet, so I cannot send yet, but all
> fonts increase in size fine using Kmail.  I think it will become my
> default server.  It looks like it has the things I want.


I use Kmail (or rather Kontact) myself, its very nice once its all configured 
:)

Couple of questions:
- Kontact or KMail? Kontact is the PIM which integrates KMail with a bunch of 
other components.

- Are you using POP3 or IMAP? If unsure you're almost certainly using POP3. 
Either one is good but POP3 is probably easier to work with.

- Have you setup a Sending Account?

- What error are you getting when sending mail?




ps - <pendant mode on>KMail, Thunderbird etc are mail clients, not servers :) 
</pendant mode on>


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 23:22:37 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:22:37 +1000
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show on the Kmenu/Internet
	dropdown again? SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <49207A52.1070503@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net> <4920443E.3040304@swbell.net>
	<49207A52.1070503@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811170922.37641.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:53:54 am Steven Vollom wrote:
> I may even change browsers, because even though I like Firefox, there is
> something very attractive about having both browser and email in the
> same program.  In fact, it appears that Dolphin, Konqueror, and Kmail
> are seamlessly in the same offering.  


You're not wrong, Konqueror et al are much better integrated into KDE than 
Firefox and Thunderbird, I use konqueror myself for the same reason. The one 
problem I have is that the flash plugin doesn't work for many sites.

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 16 23:36:41 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:36:41 -0500
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show on the
	Kmenu/Internet	dropdown again? SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <200811170921.06633.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <491F105F.9060307@sbcglobal.net>
	<4920443E.3040304@swbell.net>	<49207A52.1070503@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811170921.06633.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4920AE89.5060602@sbcglobal.net>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:53:54 am Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Billie Walsh wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Billie Walsh wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> On 11/15/2008 Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>>           
>> I have installed and can receive emails in Kmail.  I haven't been able
>> to get the send configuration right yet, so I cannot send yet, but all
>> fonts increase in size fine using Kmail.  I think it will become my
>> default server.  It looks like it has the things I want.
>>     
>
>
> I use Kmail (or rather Kontact) myself, its very nice once its all configured 
> :)
>   
I believe Kontact is the package I was meaning to install.  I installed 
Kmail, though.
> Couple of questions:
> - Kontact or KMail? Kontact is the PIM which integrates KMail with a bunch of 
> other components.
>   
Does it tie the browser, email and Dolphin together in Hardy?
> - Are you using POP3 or IMAP? If unsure you're almost certainly using POP3. 
> Either one is good but POP3 is probably easier to work with.
>   
PPO3.  I thought I included an attachment with my post. In it on one 
screen, I showed on the left Thunderbird smtp configuration that works 
fine, and Kmail on the right, which is not working fine.  I thought 
someone might notice my error.
> - Have you setup a Sending Account?
>   
Yes.
> - What error are you getting when sending mail?
>   
> Sending failed:
> Connection to host smtp.att.yahoo.com is broken.
> The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the 
> problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 
> 'outbox' folder.
> The following transport protocol was used:
> stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net

>
>
>
> ps - <pendant mode on>KMail, Thunderbird etc are mail clients, not servers :) 
> </pendant mode on>
>   
Thank you.  Not understanding the terminology all the time, I sometimes 
get it wrong.  It just goes to show you how much I really need help.  A 
bit embarrassing though.
>
>   
I will send this and wait for a response.  Thanks again friend.



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Sun Nov 16 23:55:22 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:55:22 +0000
Subject: bouncy messages
In-Reply-To: <2667779.UzCRCSi5qO@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811160044.38127.pandarsson@yahoo.com>	<491FF836.7010203@yahoo.it>
	<2667779.UzCRCSi5qO@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <4920B2EA.90803@yahoo.it>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> 
>> Received: from dpc67142237068.direcpc.com ([67.142.237.68])
>>         by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
>>         id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
>>         for <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008
>>         15:55:03
> 
> Phew.  I was worried for a moment, as my headers (also via gmane) would 
> show as being via direcpc, but that's not my IP...


The specific message I pasted was a duplicate of one of yours, but I've 
been getting these duplicates for messages from other users as well. 
I've not kept them, however, so this was the only example I could find.
I.




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 01:28:46 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:28:46 +1000
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show on
	theKmenu/Internetdropdown again? SOLVED
Message-ID: <4920c8ce.1c89.b6e4db90.79ad2649@blackpaw.dyndns.org>



--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show on theKmenu/Internet	dropdown again? SOLVED
From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 16/11/2008 11:39 PM

 >Does it tie the browser, email and Dolphin together in Hardy? 

Not directly - Kontact integrates KMail, KOrganiser (Calender) and KAddressBook. If you're not fussed about the Calendar then KMail will do fine. KMail/Kontact share mail settings so you can switch from one to the other with no issues.

The looser intergration that KMail/Kontact does with dolphin and Konqueror is that it will use them to display html links and attachments etc. Whereas thunderbird will bring up firefox etc.


>> - Are you using POP3 or IMAP? If unsure you're almost certainly using POP3. 
>PPO3.  I thought I included an attachment with my post. In it on one screen, I showed on the left Thunderbird smtp configuration that works fine, and Kmail on the right, >which is not working fine.  I thought someone might notice my error. 


Ok, the list will strip attachments off messages. You'll have to upload them to a image hosting service like imagehosting.com or photobucket, or you could email them to me directly (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com), that would be ok.



> Sending failed: 
> Connection to host smtp.att.yahoo.com is broken. 
> The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the 
> problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 
> 'outbox' folder. 
> The following transport protocol was used: 
> stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net 


Without knowing more I'd guess an authentication issue, I imagine that yahoo requires SMTP authentication - can be set in KMail via Accounts|Sending|Advanced tab.


Cheers - Lindsay
 
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From godshatter at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 02:42:31 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:42:31 -0800
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
In-Reply-To: <492072BC.905@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>	<49b3a7400811160807n25e6ac80o89e0f3fd1775e7e@mail.gmail.com>	<49204974.4070003@prayingforisrael.net>	<49b3a7400811161031o72b2c33ay59267fb0a95c31c@mail.gmail.com>
	<492072BC.905@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <4920DA17.4030905@yahoo.com>

Nigel Ridley wrote:
> Desktop effects are already disabled - is there any *real* use to them?
>
> Nigel
>   

Sure.  I use transparency on gnome terminal windows often, because I can 
see what the window would ordinarily be occluding which I might need to 
see to enter into whatever I'm typing.  I also like the feature that 
grays out a window when it's momentarily unresponsive, so that I'm aware 
of that fact when it happens.  The feature that lets you see what the 
actual window looks like when you alt-tab or hover your mouse over the 
icon in the task bar is also helpful.

Mostly, I think it looks cool and I appear to have enough resources to 
handle it so... why not?  Personally, I think it's early in the game 
yet.  Once some people get their creative juices flowing, we'll find 
lots of indispensable uses for it.  Right now, they're just feeling 
their way.

Paul





From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 02:49:08 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:49:08 +1000
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
Message-ID: <4920dba4.1c89.b7196b90.628eb6d5@blackpaw.dyndns.org>

I really like that when dragging windows I can see what's underneath them.

--
Lindsay Mathieson
http://album.mathieson.org.nz/

--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: nigel at prayingforisrael.net, Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 17/11/2008  2:44 AM

 Nigel Ridley wrote: 
> Desktop effects are already disabled - is there any *real* use to them? 
> 
> Nigel 
> 
 
Sure.  I use transparency on gnome terminal windows often, because I can see what the window would ordinarily be occluding which I might need to see to enter into whatever I'm typing.  I also like the feature that grays out a window when it's momentarily unresponsive, so that I'm aware of that fact when it happens.  The feature that lets you see what the actual window looks like when you alt-tab or hover your mouse over the icon in the task bar is also helpful. 
 
Mostly, I think it looks cool and I appear to have enough resources to handle it so... why not?  Personally, I think it's early in the game yet.  Once some people get their creative juices flowing, we'll find lots of indispensable uses for it.  Right now, they're just feeling their way. 
 
Paul 
 
 
 
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 17 02:43:03 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:43:03 -0400
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show on
	theKmenu/Internetdropdown again? SOLVED
References: <4920c8ce.1c89.b6e4db90.79ad2649@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4012763.gxXA2deXqs@cedar.serverforest.com>

lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:

>  >Does it tie the browser, email and Dolphin together in Hardy?
> 
> Not directly - Kontact integrates KMail, KOrganiser (Calender) and
> KAddressBook.

And knode - the only way to read this list, Karm (a really useless time 
tracker), knotes, akregator (rss feeds), a journal and to-do lists.
> 
> Ok, the list will strip attachments off messages. 

I thought it allowed attachments up to 40K.

-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 17 02:38:18 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:38:18 -0400
Subject: bouncy messages
References: <200811160044.38127.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<491FF836.7010203@yahoo.it>
	<2667779.UzCRCSi5qO@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4920B2EA.90803@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <3949130.IaBz9PVyRH@cedar.serverforest.com>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>> 
>>> Received: from dpc67142237068.direcpc.com ([67.142.237.68])
>>>         by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
>>>         id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
>>>         for <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008
>>>         15:55:03
>> 
>> Phew.  I was worried for a moment, as my headers (also via gmane)
>> would show as being via direcpc, but that's not my IP...
> 
> 
> The specific message I pasted was a duplicate of one of yours, but
> I've been getting these duplicates for messages from other users as
> well. I've not kept them, however, so this was the only example I
> could find. I.

Damn, you're right.  That must be the host at the other end of my 
connection.  I'll see what I can find.
-- 
derek




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 03:01:05 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:01:05 +1000
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show ontheKmenu/Internetdropdown
	again? SOLVED
Message-ID: <4920de71.1c89.b7196b90.e44e184@blackpaw.dyndns.org>


--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show ontheKmenu/Internetdropdown again? SOLVED
From: Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>
To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Date: 17/11/2008  2:54 AM

 >And knode - the only way to read this list, Karm (a really useless time tracker), knotes, akregator (rss feeds), a journal and to-do lists. 


How could I forget Akregator - my favourite RSS reader.

I'm subsribed to the list via Email, do you read the news group with KNode? How do you find it? never used it myself.

>I thought it allowed attachments up to 40K. 

Could be, but I suspect steven's attachemnets were bigger than that :)
 

 
 

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From joelol75 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 17 03:03:52 2008
From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:03:52 -0500
Subject: Upgrading Processor
In-Reply-To: <49204ECA.6030508@runbox.no>
References: <200811161842.26634.hvralpha@intekom.co.za>
	<49204ECA.6030508@runbox.no>
Message-ID: <4920DF18.6020806@verizon.net>

iodine at runbox.no wrote:
> Upgrading from a single-core to a dual-core CPU makes a
> significant difference however

I agree.  Especially if you get into running Virtual machines.  In that 
case alot of RAM is just as important as well..



From joelol75 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 17 03:26:19 2008
From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:26:19 -0500
Subject: Latest svn versions in handy .DEB packages
Message-ID: <4920E45B.5030502@verizon.net>

I usually just download and recompile gtk-gnutella every week or so.  
The versions in the repos are so ancient that most of the time they 
won't run (It has a feature in the code that stable versions will not 
run by default after a year)

Even if it does run, it takes along time to connect (if at all) because 
the server list is so old.  Not to mention that the hostile sites change 
daily.

I can't seem to find them in an easy backported .deb package or 
repository, so I made my own in both 32 and 64 bit versions and put them 
up on my website.  I will keep them updated and test them often as 
well.  My website is at http://stinker.serveftp.net:8000

They run under both Hardy Heron (8.04) and Intepid Ibex (8.10).  I also 
tested them under Linux Mint and Debian Lenny.  These packages were 
compiled with all the available options (DBus, TLS encypted connections 
support, GTK2...)  If demand gets high enough I'll learn to either run 
my own repository (I would prefer this approach) or create a Launchpad 
PPA.   All my friends that I switched over from Windows love 
gtk-gnutella and every time I forget to tell them to upgrade to the 
latest version or it shuts off after time (I think it's only 3 months 
for unstable versions)... I know theres a setting to override this but 
trying to explain how to compile code might be a turn off for them...  
That's my intentions for creating them (Not trashing peoples systems, 
but I would understand if people are not wanting to trust a 3rd party)  
Just trying to give back to a great program which seems very 
unmaintained in the official backport repos... I would even be 
interested in taking this responsibility but wouldn't know where to 
start....  Well anyway.

For x86 Architecture(32Bit)

http://stinker.serveftp.net:8000/gtkgnutella/gtk-gnutella_0.96.6~svn15872_i386.deb



For x86_64 (amd64) (64 Bit)

http://stinker.serveftp.net:8000/gtkgnutella/gtk-gnutella_0.96.6~svn15872_i386.deb

Joel.



From girardhenri at free.fr  Mon Nov 17 06:41:08 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:41:08 +0100
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
In-Reply-To: <492072BC.905@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>	<49b3a7400811160807n25e6ac80o89e0f3fd1775e7e@mail.gmail.com>	<49204974.4070003@prayingforisrael.net><49b3a7400811161031o72b2c33ay59267fb0a95c31c@mail.gmail.com>
	<492072BC.905@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <4897315F088044B0A40649FC5D85D901@PCderiri>

i used them a lot on beginning ... But now no more as kde4xx is enaugh 
pretty without them.
on gnome i set compositing which works speedy enaugh (sometimes i mixed both 
kde4.2 and metacity border so i get gnome shadows...)
but last kde1.3 is very quick and nice theme ( i like ozone as kdewin and 
style)...
don't neet any more effects ! lol
regards
henri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nigel Ridley" <nigel at prayingforisrael.net>
To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor


> Tycho Andersen wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Nigel Ridley
>> <nigel at prayingforisrael.net> wrote:
>>> Tycho Andersen wrote:
>>>> Nigel:
>>>>
>>>> How much RAM does the system have, and do you know if you can add more? 
>>>> That
>>>> may be another (possibly cheaper) option to upgrading the system, and 
>>>> you
>>>> might see better results depending on where the bottleneck is.
>>>>
>>>> Tycho
>>> It has 1GB and yes there is room for more.
>>>
>>> Nigel
>>
>> I'm running 8.10 on a box of similar age with similar specs (AMD
>> FX-55, nVidia 6800GT, 2GB RAM). After disabling the desktop effects,
>> KDE4 responds quite a bit faster. You might also try that first, to
>> see if it helps at all.
>>
>> Tycho
>>
>
> Desktop effects are already disabled - is there any *real* use to them?
>
> Nigel
>
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>
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From joelol75 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 17 06:58:59 2008
From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:58:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Latest svn versions in handy .DEB packages
In-Reply-To: <4920E45B.5030502@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <541529.16208.qm@web84403.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>


Sorry, the 64 Bit version is as follows:

For x86_64 (amd64) (64 Bit)

http://stinker.serveftp.net:8000/gtkgnutella/gtk-gnutella_0.96.6~svn15872_amd64.deb

The previous post are both links to the 32 version.





From paul at lemmons.name  Mon Nov 17 07:01:47 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:01:47 -0700
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811151437m7283d09dp37838e2230573aa1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>	<491A761C.7080105@lemmons.name>
	<491F369D.3050703@lemmons.name>
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From guido.dom at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 07:55:46 2008
From: guido.dom at gmail.com (guido dom)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:55:46 +0100
Subject: Help - No sound at all
In-Reply-To: <200811162041.27350.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
References: <200811162041.27350.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <f4a9bbcb0811162355q4020b38bmeffc5bc8e0c71dca@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Karl
You're not alone
Ook mijn Medion MD96640 geeft geen kik, tenzij ik een uitwendige
geluidskaart (bv een Skype USB muis) aankoppel.
Misschien in de volgende versie????

2008/11/16 Karl Vanwynsberghe <karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be>

> No sound at all.. acer aspire 6920
>
> Hey!
> I have no sound in Intrepid Ibex on my new Acer Aspire 6920 laptop... Have
> checked the volume control and unmuted the PCM control... Have followed a
> couple of guides, but nothing works...
>
> This is my status:
> :~$ aplay -l
> **** Lijst van PLAYBACK hardware-apparaten ****
> kaart 0: Intel [HDA Intel], apparaat 0: ALC889 Analog [ALC889 Analog]
>  Sub-apparaten: 0/1
>  Sub-apparaat #0: subdevice #0
>
> :~$ cat /proc/asound/devices
>  2:        : timer
>  3:        : sequencer
>  4: [ 0- 4]: digital audio capture
>  5: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
>  6: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
>  7: [ 0]   : control
>
> What to do???
>
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From tuxebi at gmx.de  Mon Nov 17 07:58:49 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:58:49 +0100
Subject: OT: Upgrading an AMD processor
In-Reply-To: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <49204196.8020903@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <gfr87q$the$1@ger.gmane.org>

Nigel Ridley wrote:
> I have a 4 year old AMD Athlon 64 3000 Venice 939 processor on a MSI K8N Neo4 mainboard. My two 
> boys are complaining that Kubuntu 8.10 is running too slow for them.....
> 
> I am thinking about upgrading the processor to something more modern. The fastest similar 
> processor that I can find is the AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Socket 939; but there is also an Athlon 64 
> X2 4600+ Socket 939.
> 
> Are the X2 processors compatible with older mainboards? Or would a BIOS update take care of things?
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Nigel
> 
To clarify what CPUs your board basically supports, you might have a 
look at the msi website and also see there, which improvements the more 
recent bios revisions will provide.

In general it might be better to beef up the RAM to 2GB, add a decent 
VGA card and then leave this box alone for another 3years.

I would not spend to much money on this, since imho this already is a 
rather good computer for Linux and it will continue to serve you well 
through the years, as soon as RAM and VGA are updated.

Also remeber the golden rule, that you will only realize a very small 
improvement when you upgrade to 30% more CPU freqency and up.

That means that ex. a 64 3800+ will have no noticable effect.

Also I doubt that the CPU will be your most eminent bottleneck.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Nov 17 10:34:01 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:34:01 +0000
Subject: Stuck package in sptitude
Message-ID: <49214899.8000607@tiscali.co.uk>

<sigh> I'm usually quite good at sorting out problems, but this time my 
google-foo has deserted me and I can find no answer to my problem.

Having installed Kubuntu Intrepid, I was adding the stuff I normally 
have that doesn't come as standard...  in this case fonts.  I installed 
a bunch of them but one, ttf-mathematica4, is a problem.  Wolfram have 
removed the page that contained them and redirected to the index page, 
which is, of course, HTML...  dpkg thinks the file is corrupt and 
refuses to install it (naturally).  Problem is, I can't remove it either!

Can someone kindly direct me to the appropriate Fascinating Manual page 
so I can Read it?  :@)

I've tried removing the package from the cache... cleaning the cache... 
even opening the package and looking at the prerm script (but it might 
as well be in Klingon for all I understand it).

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 11:18:28 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:18:28 -0500
Subject: Stuck package in sptitude
In-Reply-To: <49214899.8000607@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <49214899.8000607@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811170318u6f0010c5se50f86ab94677018@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:34 AM, Wulfy <wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Wolfram have
> removed the page that contained them and redirected to the index page,
> which is, of course, HTML...  dpkg thinks the file is corrupt and
> refuses to install it (naturally).  Problem is, I can't remove it either!
>
> Can someone kindly direct me to the appropriate Fascinating Manual page
> so I can Read it?  :@)
>
> I've tried removing the package from the cache... cleaning the cache...
> even opening the package and looking at the prerm script (but it might
> as well be in Klingon for all I understand it).
>

I assume you have tried 'sudo aptitude -f install'?



-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From jtnews at mail2004.dnsalias.org  Mon Nov 17 11:55:46 2008
From: jtnews at mail2004.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:55:46 +0100
Subject: kde4 konqueror: write an extension
Message-ID: <gfrm42$8h2$1@ger.gmane.org>

Has anybody figured out, how to write an extension for KDE? I want to have a button that calls a certain script with the current url as parameter. Do you know an easy way to accomplish this?

Jan




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 17 13:41:37 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:41:37 -0500
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show ontheKmenu/Internetdropdown
	again? SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <4920de71.1c89.b7196b90.e44e184@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
References: <4920de71.1c89.b7196b90.e44e184@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <49217491.2080807@sbcglobal.net>

lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
>
> --- Original message ---
> Subject: Re: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show 
> ontheKmenu/Internetdropdown again? SOLVED
> From: Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Date: 17/11/2008 2:54 AM
>
> >And knode - the only way to read this list, Karm (a really useless 
> time tracker), knotes, akregator (rss feeds), a journal and to-do lists.
>
>
> How could I forget Akregator - my favourite RSS reader.
>
> I'm subsribed to the list via Email, do you read the news group with 
> KNode? How do you find it? never used it myself.
>
> >I thought it allowed attachments up to 40K.
>
> Could be, but I suspect steven's attachemnets were bigger than that :)
I am sure they were; the screen included two windows for the Thunderbird 
configuration and two for Kmail on the right.  There was a lot of data 
and background stuff.  I don't think I could get a screen shot down to 
40kb.  Even if everything was transparent, the background must contain 
more than 40kb.  I am enjoying the collaboration.
Steven
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Lindsay Mathieson
> http://album.mathieson.org.nz/
>




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 17 14:09:19 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:09:19 -0400
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show ontheKmenu/Internetdropdown
	again? SOLVED
References: <4920de71.1c89.b7196b90.e44e184@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4209063.oGiGu0oRiz@cedar.serverforest.com>

lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:

> I'm subsribed to the list via Email, do you read the news group with
> KNode? How do you find it? never used it myself.

I get all my mail lists via knode and gmane, if they're available on 
gmane.  I find it much nicer for lists - most of knode's outstanding 
(from 3.5) issues are with cross-posting, which doesn't usually happen 
with mail-lists anyway.  It's only ugly if I want to CC an individual - 
which I mostly think is evil and rarely try (knode will open a reply 
window _and_ spawn a kmail reply window - so it doesn't just send a copy 
of the message via either smtp or kmail).  Come to think of it, I should 
open a bug on that.

There is a new, very annoying, issue with KDE4 - knode doesn't wrap the 
lines it sends and I have to go through and manually add newlines (just 
where knode actually _displays_ a newline).  So if you're interested in 
using knode for mail lists, you might want to wait for the fix for that.

>>I thought it allowed attachments up to 40K.
> 
> Could be, but I suspect steven's attachemnets were bigger than that :)

I remember now - NoOp and I were discussing synaptic's source-list 
management, and seeing completely different options with the same version 
of synaptic, so I eventually posted a screenshot of what I had. It 
would probably have been ubuntu-users, which 
I'd expect to have the same options.

In any case, for those tempted to post images to any list that permits 
it - go for maximum compression.  If you're looking for support, you 
just want legibility, it doesn't need to look good!
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 17 14:31:35 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:31:35 -0400
Subject: images (was Re: How do I get Kmail to show
	ontheKmenu/Internetdropdown again? 
References: <4920de71.1c89.b7196b90.e44e184@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<49217491.2080807@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <2137338.tkHczfQy77@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >I thought it allowed attachments up to 40K.
>>
>> Could be, but I suspect steven's attachemnets were bigger than that
>> :)
> I am sure they were; the screen included two windows for the
> Thunderbird
> configuration and two for Kmail on the right.  There was a lot of data
> and background stuff.  I don't think I could get a screen shot down to
> 40kb.

Sure you can - I just did a screenshot of the full screen (1200x800) via 
ksnapshot and saved as jpeg.  By default it was 80K. but:

$ convert  /tmp/window.jpeg -quality 1 /tmp/window1.jpeg

Got it down to a very fuzzy but essentially usable 11K.  Even 
"-quality 9" was only 20K and quite readable.  Unfortunately, ksnapshot 
used to allow you specify the compression level in the save dialog, and 
I can't even figure out how to make Gimp do that now...

> Even if everything was transparent, the background must contain
> more than 40kb.  I am enjoying the collaboration.

I certainly don't know the technical details of image compression but 
backgrounds essentially compress away.  
-- 
derek




From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk  Mon Nov 17 15:31:26 2008
From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:31:26 +0000
Subject: Strange updates today
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811150557l796f5286o9db2c2dfe466d275@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<6809.81.164.253.13.1226753434.squirrel@webmail.priorweb.be>
	<880dece00811150557l796f5286o9db2c2dfe466d275@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811171531.26136.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>

On Saturday 15 November 2008 13:57:37 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/15  <info at alvin.be>:
> >> I run Kubuntu 8.04 on my Dell laptop. Today when I went to upgrade via
> >> apt-get I noticed that the "passwd" package is being updated. That
> >> seems to me rather unusual, as it is a ver ystable package and has
> >> been for as long as I remember. Also, it is critical to system
> >> security. Where can I find more information about this update?
> >
> > This will tell you what you want to know:
> >
> > $ aptitude changelog passwd
>
> Thanks, that is really good to know.

Just done a rootkit check with rkhunter and it's found a few problems with 
checks on certain files in /bin and /sbin:

[15:26:53] /bin/login                                        [ Warning ]
[15:26:54] /bin/lsmod                                        [ Warning ]
[15:26:56] /bin/su                                           [ Warning ]
[15:27:02] /usr/bin/lastlog                                  [ Warning ]
[15:27:04] /usr/bin/newgrp                                   [ Warning ]
[15:27:05] /usr/bin/passwd                                   [ Warning ]
[15:27:12] /sbin/depmod                                      [ Warning ]
[15:27:14] /sbin/insmod                                      [ Warning ]
[15:27:14] /sbin/lsmod                                       [ Warning ]
[15:27:15] /sbin/modinfo                                     [ Warning ]
[15:27:15] /sbin/modprobe                                    [ Warning ]
[15:27:16] /sbin/rmmod                                       [ Warning ]
[15:27:19] /usr/sbin/groupadd                                [ Warning ]
[15:27:19] /usr/sbin/groupdel                                [ Warning ]
[15:27:19] /usr/sbin/groupmod                                [ Warning ]
[15:27:20] /usr/sbin/grpck                                   [ Warning ]
[15:27:21] /usr/sbin/nologin                                 [ Warning ]
[15:27:22] /usr/sbin/pwck                                    [ Warning ]
[15:27:22] /usr/sbin/useradd                                 [ Warning ]
[15:27:23] /usr/sbin/userdel                                 [ Warning ]
[15:27:23] /usr/sbin/usermod                                 [ Warning ]
[15:27:24] /usr/sbin/vipw                                    [ Warning ]

Saying that the hash has changed. Am I right in thinking these are due to the 
update of the above packages?


-- 
Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org




From a.mani.cms at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 16:45:43 2008
From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:15:43 +0530
Subject: kde folder problem
Message-ID: <78323d480811170845m598d30b4i7cb5b962195ba619@mail.gmail.com>

I had a problem with the settings in Kubuntu-8.10  (fresh install)
(the screen became blank after I applied some desktop effects from
system settings).

So I deleted .kde (that helped in 8.04 kde4).

But kde4 cannot startup and neither can I use the terminal in xfce
other desktops. The error seems to be a permission problem.
But even after changing permissions for the new .kde directory, the
problem persists.

I tried reinstalling many base components too.

How should I proceed?


Thanks

A. Mani


-- 
A. Mani
Member, Cal. Math. Soc



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 17 16:53:28 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:53:28 -0400
Subject: Stuck package in sptitude
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811170318u6f0010c5se50f86ab94677018@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49214899.8000607@tiscali.co.uk>
	<5a1f6bd00811170318u6f0010c5se50f86ab94677018@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811171153.29462.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 17 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
> I assume you have tried 'sudo aptitude -f install'?

And also     dpkg -a --configure



From rscrawford at mossroot.com  Mon Nov 17 18:06:34 2008
From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:06:34 -0800
Subject: In the market for a new MP3 player
Message-ID: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>

My old Creative Nomad Zen Xtra has been a good workhorse for about six
years now, but recently it's started to show its age; it reboots
randomly and the KZenExplorer software no longer talks to it (although
Amarok does, which is peculiar). So I'm in the market for a new
MP3/media player. My ideal player would play videos as well as MP3's
and ogg files. Ideally there would be some desktop software which
could manage the files on the thing, including playlists (Amarok, for
all its coolness, fails miserably in this regard). I'm open to getting
an iPod but I'm told the latest ones do not play well with Linux.

I'm open to all suggestions. Thanks!

-- 
Richard S. Crawford (rscrawford at mossroot.com)
http://www.mossroot.com
Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com)



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 17 18:14:45 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:14:45 -0400
Subject: In the market for a new MP3 player
In-Reply-To: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811171314.45851.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 17 November 2008, Richard S. Crawford wrote:
> My old Creative Nomad Zen Xtra has been a good workhorse for about six
> years now, but recently it's started to show its age; it reboots
> randomly and the KZenExplorer software no longer talks to it (although
> Amarok does, which is peculiar). So I'm in the market for a new
> MP3/media player. My ideal player would play videos as well as MP3's
> and ogg files. Ideally there would be some desktop software which
> could manage the files on the thing, including playlists (Amarok, for
> all its coolness, fails miserably in this regard). I'm open to getting
> an iPod but I'm told the latest ones do not play well with Linux.
>
> I'm open to all suggestions. Thanks!

Take a look at the Cowan Iaudio line.   I have two of the units...  One is the 
size of a pack of cigarettes (remember those?)  and the other is a little 
bigger than a pack of gum.

Both will play video although I don't do that....   and the battery life is 
excellent.   Almost all of the Cowan units will play mp3, ogg, and many of 
the Windows formats.

Here's the small unit - an Iaudio 7   They come in various memory sizes:

http://tinyurl.com/673z27




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Nov 17 18:18:24 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:18:24 +0000
Subject: Stuck package in sptitude
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811170318u6f0010c5se50f86ab94677018@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49214899.8000607@tiscali.co.uk>
	<5a1f6bd00811170318u6f0010c5se50f86ab94677018@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4921B570.8070705@tiscali.co.uk>

Art Alexion wrote:
> I assume you have tried 'sudo aptitude -f install'?
>
>
>
>   
Yes, I had.  This is the result:

wulfy at wulfy-desktop:~$ sudo aptitude -f install
[sudo] password for wulfy:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initialising package states... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  ttf-mathematica4.1{p}
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 106kB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
(Reading database ... 109318 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing ttf-mathematica4.1 ...
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math4b__.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math1b__.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math2b__.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math3b__.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math3m__.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math4mb_.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math3___.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math1___.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math2mb_.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math2m__.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math4___.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math1mb_.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math2___.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math4m__.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math3mb_.ttf: not registered.
W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/mathml/math1m__.ttf: not registered.
dpkg: error processing ttf-mathematica4.1 (--purge):
 subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 ttf-mathematica4.1
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initialising package states... Done


-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Nov 17 18:19:49 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:19:49 +0000
Subject: Stuck package in sptitude
In-Reply-To: <200811171153.29462.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <49214899.8000607@tiscali.co.uk>	<5a1f6bd00811170318u6f0010c5se50f86ab94677018@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811171153.29462.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <4921B5C5.7010509@tiscali.co.uk>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 17 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
>   
>> I assume you have tried 'sudo aptitude -f install'?
>>     
>
> And also     dpkg -a --configure
>
>   
This gave no output at all... (I used sudo).

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From jlwallen at monkeypantz.net  Mon Nov 17 18:41:37 2008
From: jlwallen at monkeypantz.net (jackie wallen)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:41:37 -0500
Subject: In the market for a new MP3 player
In-Reply-To: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4921BAE1.9080507@monkeypantz.net>


Richard S. Crawford wrote:
> My old Creative Nomad Zen Xtra has been a good workhorse for about six
> years now, but recently it's started to show its age; it reboots
> randomly and the KZenExplorer software no longer talks to it (although
> Amarok does, which is peculiar). So I'm in the market for a new
> MP3/media player. My ideal player would play videos as well as MP3's
> and ogg files. Ideally there would be some desktop software which
> could manage the files on the thing, including playlists (Amarok, for
> all its coolness, fails miserably in this regard). I'm open to getting
> an iPod but I'm told the latest ones do not play well with Linux.
> 
> I'm open to all suggestions. Thanks!
I have a Sandisk Fuze. it works great with Ubuntu. the sound is amazing 
and it has an external microSD slot for expansion.

i need to check to see if they've released a new firmware because the 
current doesn't support ogg. Sandisk has said they intend on adding ogg 
support soon.
> 

-- 
Jack Wallen, Jr

"Idealists...foolish enough to throw caution to the winds...have 
advanced mankind and have enriched the world." Emma Goldman



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 18:45:44 2008
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:45:44 -0500
Subject: In the market for a new MP3 player
In-Reply-To: <4921BAE1.9080507@monkeypantz.net>
References: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921BAE1.9080507@monkeypantz.net>
Message-ID: <f0e0fd880811171045j1b074075qa44e2ea33f4c032c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:41 PM, jackie wallen <jlwallen at monkeypantz.net> wrote:
>
> Richard S. Crawford wrote:
>> My old Creative Nomad Zen Xtra has been a good workhorse for about six
>> years now, but recently it's started to show its age; it reboots
>> randomly and the KZenExplorer software no longer talks to it (although
>> Amarok does, which is peculiar). So I'm in the market for a new
>> MP3/media player. My ideal player would play videos as well as MP3's
>> and ogg files. Ideally there would be some desktop software which
>> could manage the files on the thing, including playlists (Amarok, for
>> all its coolness, fails miserably in this regard). I'm open to getting
>> an iPod but I'm told the latest ones do not play well with Linux.
>>
>> I'm open to all suggestions. Thanks!

Get an older iPod video and install Rockbox on it. Nuff said. :)

Okay, not nuff said. Ogg Vorbis support, drag-and-drop support, plays nice
with any OS... it's all there.

http://www.rockbox.org

--Rob
-- 
Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route.
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From lanzenesi at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 18:49:08 2008
From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:49:08 +0100
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail
	in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <491FE95C.3050807@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net> <491FE231.2050606@gmail.com>
	<491FE95C.3050807@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <gfseb4$40h$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hello Steve,

sorry I couldn't reply earlier. I don't have much time to catch up with
my mails these days.

You wrote:

> First I have KDE 3.5.10. Hope that doesn't make too much difference.  
> Soon I will have KDE 4, because I am building a new computer 64 bit.

Ok, that should be all right. I think I did that when I started using
kde, so I'll try to pin point the steps I went through.

> I do not know how to export or know what a vcf is, or import or how to 
> import in Kmail from vcf.

I will not explain what vcf is. I guess wikipidia can give you a better 
explanation. ;-)

1. Open Thunderbird and then its address book. You can do it by 
clicking   on the icon or by the "Ctrl+2" keyboard shortcut.

2. Now you should see the address book. Click on your address book to 
select it if it's not already. The name usually is "Personal Address 
Book" if you haven't changed it. Now right click it and a menu comes up. 
Select "Export as vcf". Now, in the next window (Addressbook element 
export") next to "Location" - if you can't see it click on the notebook 
icon on the top left - choose a name you like (I'd put "TB-add-book") 
and click on The Open button on the bottom right. A folder will be 
created in you home directory and it will have inside a 
"Personal_Address_Book.vcf" file.

3. Close all Thunderbird windows and open KMail.

4. Tools -> Address book

5. Now you see Kmail's "address book browser" window... Make sure "Wiew 
-> Address Book" is selected. If it isn't, please do.

Now you have two choices:
A - You have an empty address book and you want to fill it
B - You want a new address book and you want to keep it where it is.


A.6. "File -> Import -> Import vCard".  Browse to the dir you saved 
previously, open it and select the saved file.

Done!

Else

B.6. Click on the green cross - it might be different if your icons are 
not similar to mine, I don't know, but it's an add sign anyway - and 
select "Directory" -> "ok" and next browse to the dir you save 
previously ("TB-add-book" we called it) and click Ok. Done.

> It must seem like you are trying to help a rock.  Little by little I 
> learn, though.
> 
> If it isn't too much trouble could you be a little more specific on how 
> I do what you just suggested.  Thanks friend,

I've tried my best, I hope, but if you still have problems, let us know.
Of course there are other ways to do it, but I'll stop here or it will 
be confusing.

Hope it helps,

-- 
lanzen




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 18:48:39 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:48:39 -0500
Subject: Stuck package in sptitude
In-Reply-To: <4921B570.8070705@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <49214899.8000607@tiscali.co.uk>
	<5a1f6bd00811170318u6f0010c5se50f86ab94677018@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921B570.8070705@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200811171348.40057.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 17 November 2008 1:18:24 pm Wulfy wrote:
> Art Alexion wrote:
> > I assume you have tried 'sudo aptitude -f install'?
> >
> >
> >
> >  
>
> Yes, I had.  This is the result:
>
> wulfy at wulfy-desktop:~$ sudo aptitude -f install
> [sudo] password for wulfy:
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Reading extended state information
> Initialising package states... Done
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   ttf-mathematica4.1{p}
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 106kB will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
> (Reading database ... 109318 files and directories currently installed.)
> Removing ttf-mathematica4.1 ...

> . 
> dpkg: error processing ttf-mathematica4.1 (--purge):
>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  ttf-mathematica4.1
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Reading extended state information
> Initialising package states... Done

Can you get another deb and try installing it locally?

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From jlwallen at monkeypantz.net  Mon Nov 17 19:01:13 2008
From: jlwallen at monkeypantz.net (jackie wallen)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:01:13 -0500
Subject: In the market for a new MP3 player
In-Reply-To: <f0e0fd880811171045j1b074075qa44e2ea33f4c032c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>	<4921BAE1.9080507@monkeypantz.net>
	<f0e0fd880811171045j1b074075qa44e2ea33f4c032c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4921BF79.2040905@monkeypantz.net>


> 
> Get an older iPod video and install Rockbox on it. Nuff said. :)
> 
> Okay, not nuff said. Ogg Vorbis support, drag-and-drop support, plays nice
> with any OS... it's all there.
> 
> http://www.rockbox.org
> 
> --Rob
only be prepared that battery life will be about 1/2 of what it should. 
i like rockbox but can't use it for that reason.

-- 
Jack Wallen, Jr

"Idealists...foolish enough to throw caution to the winds...have 
advanced mankind and have enriched the world." Emma Goldman



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 19:08:06 2008
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:08:06 -0500
Subject: In the market for a new MP3 player
In-Reply-To: <4921BF79.2040905@monkeypantz.net>
References: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921BAE1.9080507@monkeypantz.net>
	<f0e0fd880811171045j1b074075qa44e2ea33f4c032c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921BF79.2040905@monkeypantz.net>
Message-ID: <f0e0fd880811171108g2e595b0v863293f67fc4da53@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:01 PM, jackie wallen <jlwallen at monkeypantz.net> wrote:
> only be prepared that battery life will be about 1/2 of what it should.
> i like rockbox but can't use it for that reason.
>

Recent improvements to Rockbox have given the iPods a battery life
boost. Most of these
improvements are in codec handling and shutting off hardware that's
not needed. My iPod
video is now getting close to 12 hours with Rockbox, which is nearly
the rated battery life
from Apple themselves (14 hours).

--Rob
-- 
Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route.
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From lucafbb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 19:13:01 2008
From: lucafbb at gmail.com (Luca)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:13:01 +0100
Subject: An apt-get problem today
In-Reply-To: <3167125.foyetouH9Q@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <27308d500811150301r21eb49e8s43263e0fa8728dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3669481.G98Hg8hofH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<27308d500811151109u321b93acpb497fe2ec2e7c1bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<111555162.ChpKWAaB2O@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<27308d500811160301o52a2a434ua8dee7ebbe71f8c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<3167125.foyetouH9Q@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <27308d500811171113x329e9ee8k1e16780fbbe908f8@mail.gmail.com>

FIXED

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Well, there you go.  That's why I said I think you probably should be
> fixing your filesystem.  You've got a "find" command stuck in a loop, no
> wonder it's passing too many files to xargs.  It would be good to find out why that link is cyclic and break it.
>
> It's about 95% likely that just removing those lines from the script,
> and running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" will work (at least, iirc, that
> runs the postinst script).  But there's a small chance that you really
> _do_ have something with an invalid gid.

Thanks you very much for your patience! It works!

Only last question: now that apt update worked I need to keep those
lines commented? Or can I restore the old version?


-- 
-- luca



From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Nov 17 21:27:44 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:27:44 +0000
Subject: Stuck package in sptitude
In-Reply-To: <200811171348.40057.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <49214899.8000607@tiscali.co.uk>	<5a1f6bd00811170318u6f0010c5se50f86ab94677018@mail.gmail.com>	<4921B570.8070705@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811171348.40057.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4921E1D0.20607@tiscali.co.uk>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Monday 17 November 2008 1:18:24 pm Wulfy wrote:
>   
>
>> . 
>> dpkg: error processing ttf-mathematica4.1 (--purge):
>>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>>  ttf-mathematica4.1
>> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
>> Reading package lists... Done
>> Building dependency tree
>> Reading state information... Done
>> Reading extended state information
>> Initialising package states... Done
>>     
>
> Can you get another deb and try installing it locally?
>
>   
I've tried several sources.  Because of the fact that the debs just 
download the fonts from Wolfram, they ALL fail for the same reason.  :@(

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 17 19:51:04 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:51:04 -0400
Subject: Stuck package in sptitude
References: <49214899.8000607@tiscali.co.uk>
	<5a1f6bd00811170318u6f0010c5se50f86ab94677018@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921B570.8070705@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811171348.40057.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6639418.U2S9h1d7y4@cedar.serverforest.com>

Art Alexion wrote:

> On Monday 17 November 2008 1:18:24 pm Wulfy wrote:
>> Art Alexion wrote:
>> > I assume you have tried 'sudo aptitude -f install'?
>>
>> Yes, I had.  This is the result:
>>
>> wulfy at wulfy-desktop:~$ sudo aptitude -f install
...
>> dpkg: error processing ttf-mathematica4.1 (--purge):
>> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>> ttf-mathematica4.1

It's crude, and one of these days I'll break something, but generally 
when a pre-removal script breaks I just go into /var/lib/dpkg/info and 
remove the relevant .prerm file.  Then run "sudo dpkg --configure -a".

Then *inst scripts are another matter, because they're probably trying 
to set up something necessary, but the *rm scripts usually just leave 
some cruft if you skip them.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 17 19:47:20 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:47:20 -0400
Subject: kde folder problem
References: <78323d480811170845m598d30b4i7cb5b962195ba619@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10962168.gGfe93QvQS@cedar.serverforest.com>

Mani A wrote:

> I had a problem with the settings in Kubuntu-8.10  (fresh install)
> (the screen became blank after I applied some desktop effects from
> system settings).
> 
> So I deleted .kde (that helped in 8.04 kde4).

Let that be a lesson - never delete, rename.  If everything works after 
the rename, _then_ you can delete.

I'm surprised, though - imo it's a bug if kde can't start without a .kde 
directory.
> 
> But kde4 cannot startup and neither can I use the terminal in xfce
> other desktops. The error seems to be a permission problem.
> But even after changing permissions for the new .kde directory, the
> problem persists.

How do you know it's a permission error?   Do you have a message you 
could show us?  fwiw, my .kde is 770 permissions.
> 
> I tried reinstalling many base components too.

That shouldn't matter.
> 
> How should I proceed?

Do you have a .xsession_errors file?  Much nice stuff usually ends up in 
there.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 17 19:53:21 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:53:21 -0400
Subject: In the market for a new MP3 player
References: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811171314.45851.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <3473213.H0mt24tggt@cedar.serverforest.com>

Bruce Marshall wrote:

> On Monday 17 November 2008, Richard S. Crawford wrote:
>> My old Creative Nomad Zen Xtra has been a good workhorse for about
>> six years now, but recently it's started to show its age; it reboots
>> randomly and the KZenExplorer software no longer talks to it
>> (although Amarok does, which is peculiar). So I'm in the market for a
>> new MP3/media player. My ideal player would play videos as well as
>> MP3's and ogg files. Ideally there would be some desktop software
>> which could manage the files on the thing, including playlists
>> (Amarok, for all its coolness, fails miserably in this regard). I'm
>> open to getting an iPod but I'm told the latest ones do not play well
>> with Linux.
>>
>> I'm open to all suggestions. Thanks!
> 
> Take a look at the Cowan Iaudio line.   I have two of the units... 
> One is the
> size of a pack of cigarettes (remember those?) 

Now look!  It's only been 23 years and one week since I quit, and I 
don't need to be reminded of the evil things this soon in my 
reformation!!
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Mon Nov 17 19:55:27 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:55:27 -0400
Subject: An apt-get problem today
References: <27308d500811150301r21eb49e8s43263e0fa8728dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3669481.G98Hg8hofH@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<27308d500811151109u321b93acpb497fe2ec2e7c1bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<111555162.ChpKWAaB2O@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<27308d500811160301o52a2a434ua8dee7ebbe71f8c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<3167125.foyetouH9Q@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<27308d500811171113x329e9ee8k1e16780fbbe908f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2427271.81JLG4rHqV@cedar.serverforest.com>

Luca wrote:

> FIXED
> 
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>
> wrote:
>> Well, there you go.  That's why I said I think you probably should be
>> fixing your filesystem.  You've got a "find" command stuck in a loop,
>> no
>> wonder it's passing too many files to xargs.  It would be good to
>> find out why that link is cyclic and break it.
>>
>> It's about 95% likely that just removing those lines from the script,
>> and running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" will work (at least, iirc,
>> that
>> runs the postinst script).  But there's a small chance that you
>> really _do_ have something with an invalid gid.
> 
> Thanks you very much for your patience! It works!
> 
> Only last question: now that apt update worked I need to keep those
> lines commented? Or can I restore the old version?

It doesn't matter now - that script isn't going to run again until the 
package is updated, and then it's going to be replaced with a new 
version (even if you just do a "reinstall").
-- 
derek




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 17 23:07:37 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:07:37 -0400
Subject: In the market for a new MP3 player
In-Reply-To: <3473213.H0mt24tggt@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811171314.45851.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<3473213.H0mt24tggt@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811171807.39384.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 17 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Now look!  It's only been 23 years and one week since I quit, and I
> don't need to be reminded of the evil things this soon in my
> reformation!!

Hee...   They say that after 10 yrs of quitting smoking, there is no evidence 
you ever smoked nor harmful effects.  (assuming you haven't already 
experienced said harmful effects)



From charioteer7 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 23:15:03 2008
From: charioteer7 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Bays)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:15:03 -0500
Subject: K3B in Hardy borked for burning Intrepid ISO file?
Message-ID: <646a014e0811171515s51b04839p73f7d4500572f207@mail.gmail.com>

I recall a discussion on this forum about burning the new Intrepid iso
file to disk from a Hardy installation
with K3B or Brasero. Now that I have tried it with K3B, I have been
getting a persistent error that says that the data in the iso and the
burn are different.
I have tried slow (8x) speed and also a DVD burn , all to no avail.

I looked at the message trail and could see not resolution or did I miss it?
Or are the burns in fact OK?

Must I go to  Windoze and use Nero or Roxio??

Thanks,

Geoffrey Bays



From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Nov 17 23:18:36 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:18:36 +0000
Subject: Stuck package in sptitude
In-Reply-To: <6639418.U2S9h1d7y4@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <49214899.8000607@tiscali.co.uk>	<5a1f6bd00811170318u6f0010c5se50f86ab94677018@mail.gmail.com>	<4921B570.8070705@tiscali.co.uk>	<200811171348.40057.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<6639418.U2S9h1d7y4@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <4921FBCC.20106@tiscali.co.uk>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Art Alexion wrote:
>
>   
>> On Monday 17 November 2008 1:18:24 pm Wulfy wrote:
>>     
>>> Art Alexion wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I assume you have tried 'sudo aptitude -f install'?
>>>>         
>>> Yes, I had.  This is the result:
>>>
>>> wulfy at wulfy-desktop:~$ sudo aptitude -f install
>>>       
> ...
>   
>>> dpkg: error processing ttf-mathematica4.1 (--purge):
>>> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
>>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>>> ttf-mathematica4.1
>>>       
>
> It's crude, and one of these days I'll break something, but generally 
> when a pre-removal script breaks I just go into /var/lib/dpkg/info and 
> remove the relevant .prerm file.  Then run "sudo dpkg --configure -a".
>
> Then *inst scripts are another matter, because they're probably trying 
> to set up something necessary, but the *rm scripts usually just leave 
> some cruft if you skip them.
>   
Bingo!  I removed the pre- and post-rm scripts and it's gone.  There is 
no cruft as nothing was actually installed...  :@)

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 17 23:24:19 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:24:19 -0400
Subject: K3B in Hardy borked for burning Intrepid ISO file?
In-Reply-To: <646a014e0811171515s51b04839p73f7d4500572f207@mail.gmail.com>
References: <646a014e0811171515s51b04839p73f7d4500572f207@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811171824.20512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 17 November 2008, Geoffrey Bays wrote:
> I recall a discussion on this forum about burning the new Intrepid iso
> file to disk from a Hardy installation
> with K3B or Brasero. Now that I have tried it with K3B, I have been
> getting a persistent error that says that the data in the iso and the
> burn are different.
> I have tried slow (8x) speed and also a DVD burn , all to no avail.
>
> I looked at the message trail and could see not resolution or did I miss
> it? Or are the burns in fact OK?
>
> Must I go to  Windoze and use Nero or Roxio??

I believe that the comments on this list said to ignore the error, since 
burning an ISO will never equate to the original file.

I burned an Intrepid ISO using Hardy K3B and it worked fine.





From charioteer7 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 23:30:10 2008
From: charioteer7 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Bays)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:30:10 -0500
Subject: K3B in Hardy borked for burning Intrepid ISO file?
In-Reply-To: <200811171824.20512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <646a014e0811171515s51b04839p73f7d4500572f207@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811171824.20512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <646a014e0811171530jb965559m3fd7e6bc673ecf0f@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I remember someone writing that the iso and burn data cannot be
the same, but I myself have done it several times, and all the data
checked out before just fine. I do not think that the iso burn process
adds anything to the iso file. We are just talking about a binary file
here no?

Nonetheless, I will take your advice that the burns are in fact OK,
and process until I find out otherwise.
I suppose that I can boot off the burned image into the 'check
integrity mode' or whatever it is called, and then find out something.

Geoffrey

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com> wrote:
> On Monday 17 November 2008, Geoffrey Bays wrote:
>> I recall a discussion on this forum about burning the new Intrepid iso
>> file to disk from a Hardy installation
>> with K3B or Brasero. Now that I have tried it with K3B, I have been
>> getting a persistent error that says that the data in the iso and the
>> burn are different.
>> I have tried slow (8x) speed and also a DVD burn , all to no avail.
>>
>> I looked at the message trail and could see not resolution or did I miss
>> it? Or are the burns in fact OK?
>>
>> Must I go to  Windoze and use Nero or Roxio??
>
> I believe that the comments on this list said to ignore the error, since
> burning an ISO will never equate to the original file.
>
> I burned an Intrepid ISO using Hardy K3B and it worked fine.
>
>
>
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From doc.evans at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 23:34:26 2008
From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:34:26 -0700
Subject: intrepid and vmware server 2
Message-ID: <256f4e900811171534y23933315w1d9ce09eb34e20c4@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have any detailed instructions as to how to get vmware server 2
working with intrepid?

I have used vmware ever since they stopped charging for it, and I've never
really had any problems with it under Linux. But blowed if I can figure out
how to make it work with intrepid. VMware seem to have changed everything,
so that nothing is recognisable any more. I've managed to copy a virtual
machine over from my hardy installation, but when I power up I expect to see
the virtual machine boot up, but all that sems to happen is that a status
message in their fancy-dancy new web interface tells me that the machine is
powered up. But I can't see anything. Maybe I have to install something they
call "remote console" (although I have no idea why I would need to install
something separately if it's mandatory to see the virtual machine )... but
when I follow the instructions it just says "follow the instructions", which
is hardly useful (Yes, you did read that right: the instructions appear to
be "follow the instructions").

Anyway, I *have* to have vmware for my work, and if I can't get it working
soon I'll have to ditch intrepid and just keep using the old hardy system.

  Doc
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From dave at thefletchers.net  Tue Nov 18 00:29:24 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:29:24 +0000
Subject: Backing up.
In-Reply-To: <492116DB.9080201@lemmons.name>
References: <f495db580811101103l39993e91t2267aa456165358f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811151437m7283d09dp37838e2230573aa1@mail.gmail.com>
	<492116DB.9080201@lemmons.name>
Message-ID: <200811180029.31178.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Monday 17 Nov 2008, Paul Lemmons wrote:
> 
> Man, for a programmer, I sure am backup stupid. I live the same world
> as the guy that said his drive had not failed in 11 years. Last time I
> had a true disk failure was with windows xp (LONG time ago).
> 
>   

That was me :-) and I've had several drives since then and none of them has 
yet failed.

I remember it well - it was Windows 98 I think - I'd been away on company 
business for a week, pushed the start button to let the beast warm up while I 
started emptying the suitcase etc, and heard those dreaded three consecutive 
beeps from the computer room. The monitor showed little other than "General 
failure reading drive C".

BUT I'd made a backup of my essential files before I went away. Used WinZip in 
those days, I think, but it did the job.

I think the message I'd like to put out is, it matters not what you use to 
take a backup, but after you've done it, no matter what you've used, for 
goodness sake CHECK THAT IT WORKED. I make sure that my tar.gz successfully 
extracts, after being encrypted, written to a flash drive and read back 
again. I also take extra copies of that file on more flash drives to take off 
site. Paranoid? Maybe. Safe? I believe so.

Take your backups as often as you feel comfortable with. My home computer 
usually gets done monthly, and anything that I really don't want to loose 
such as an updated kwallet file can be copied onto a flash drive any time.

OTOH I've configured the subversion server at work to do a dump of all 
repositories, copied to the engineering server, every weekday night, and 
weekly copies of anything that changes. And, yes, I know that the dump files 
restore properly. I've tested it and have a script to do it automatically, 
once a new server is set up and running.

Dave



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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 00:33:48 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:33:48 -0500
Subject: I lost some movie folders, need help to find them.
Message-ID: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>

I changed the configuration on my Ktorrent program.  I created an 
instruction so that when downloads completed they be transferred to 
/media/sdb5/Completed Downloads.  The problem is, I meant to put them in 
/media/sda5/CompletedDownloads.

I have a problem with my sdb5 partition, in fact I have lots of problems 
with the partitions on that HDD.  In any event, my computer doesn't 
think it does exist.  I intended to place the folders in sda5 not sdb5.  
The problem is that several movies were downloaded and Ktorrent was 
instructed to put them in a folder that my computer doesn't think 
exists.  They went some place, but I don't know where.  I ran a find on 
one of the titles, but nothing came up. 

When a user screws up, do his errors just vaporize, or does the computer 
put them some place?  And, can a person find that place?  TIA.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 01:09:07 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:09:07 -0500
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail
	in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <gfseb4$40h$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net>
	<491FE231.2050606@gmail.com>	<491FE95C.3050807@sbcglobal.net>
	<gfseb4$40h$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <492215B3.4050504@sbcglobal.net>

lanzen wrote:
> Hello Steve,
>
> sorry I couldn't reply earlier. I don't have much time to catch up with
> my mails these days.
>
> You wrote:
>
>   
>> First I have KDE 3.5.10. Hope that doesn't make too much difference.  
>> Soon I will have KDE 4, because I am building a new computer 64 bit.
>>     
>
> Ok, that should be all right. I think I did that when I started using
> kde, so I'll try to pin point the steps I went through.
>
>   
>> I do not know how to export or know what a vcf is, or import or how to 
>> import in Kmail from vcf.
>>     
>
> I will not explain what vcf is. I guess wikipidia can give you a better 
> explanation. ;-)
>
> 1. Open Thunderbird and then its address book. You can do it by 
> clicking   on the icon or by the "Ctrl+2" keyboard shortcut.
>   
I clicked Ctrl+2 and the address book opened.
> 2. Now you should see the address book. Click on your address book to 
> select it if it's not already.
I found Import and Export in the Tools Menu.  Is vcf a file type like 
.vcf?  I addressed it as Personal Address Book.vcf and it disappeared.  
It was supposed to go into /steven

>  The name usually is "Personal Address 
> Book" if you haven't changed it. Now right click it and a menu comes up.
Right Click what?  I am stopped at this point.  I am sorry to be so 
stupid, but I wasn't kidding when I wrote the initial email.  Please 
don't give up on me?
>  
> Select "Export as vcf". Now, in the next window (Addressbook element 
> export") next to "Location" - if you can't see it click on the notebook 
> icon on the top left - choose a name you like (I'd put "TB-add-book") 
> and click on The Open button on the bottom right. A folder will be 
> created in you home directory and it will have inside a 
> "Personal_Address_Book.vcf" file.
>
> 3. Close all Thunderbird windows and open KMail.
>
> 4. Tools -> Address book
>
> 5. Now you see Kmail's "address book browser" window... Make sure "Wiew 
> -> Address Book" is selected. If it isn't, please do.
>
> Now you have two choices:
> A - You have an empty address book and you want to fill it
> B - You want a new address book and you want to keep it where it is.
>
>
> A.6. "File -> Import -> Import vCard".  Browse to the dir you saved 
> previously, open it and select the saved file.
>
> Done!
>
> Else
>
> B.6. Click on the green cross - it might be different if your icons are 
> not similar to mine, I don't know, but it's an add sign anyway - and 
> select "Directory" -> "ok" and next browse to the dir you save 
> previously ("TB-add-book" we called it) and click Ok. Done.
>
>   
>> It must seem like you are trying to help a rock.  Little by little I 
>> learn, though.
>>
>> If it isn't too much trouble could you be a little more specific on how 
>> I do what you just suggested.  Thanks friend,
>>     
>
> I've tried my best, I hope, but if you still have problems, let us know.
> Of course there are other ways to do it, but I'll stop here or it will 
> be confusing.
>
> Hope it helps,
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 01:17:58 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:17:58 -0500
Subject: Can't find Compiz?
Message-ID: <492217C6.1080801@sbcglobal.net>

Several months ago, when I upgraded to Hardy, I tried Compiz Fusion.  I 
was not very successful with it, so I removed it.  I wanted to try it 
again, because I am building a new computer with lots of memory and 
thought it could handle it better.  Nonetheless, when I installed Compiz 
again, and I am pretty sure it installed about a dozen packages, the 
only evidence I can find of it is a thing called Desktop Effects in the 
System choice of the Kmenu.  I clicked on the button that seemed most 
intensive, but I can't find anything, like configuration options or 
features or anything at all.  I notice that when I open or close a file, 
it kind of zooms in or out, but that cannot be all there is to Compiz.

What do I do to access those features?  TIA.

Steven



From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Tue Nov 18 01:35:17 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:35:17 -0500
Subject: I lost some movie folders, need help to find them.
In-Reply-To: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811172035.17284.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Monday 17 November 2008 19:33:48 Steven Vollom wrote:
> I changed the configuration on my Ktorrent program.  I created an 
> instruction so that when downloads completed they be transferred to 
> /media/sdb5/Completed Downloads.  The problem is, I meant to put them in 
> /media/sda5/CompletedDownloads.
> 
> I have a problem with my sdb5 partition, in fact I have lots of problems 
> with the partitions on that HDD.  In any event, my computer doesn't 
> think it does exist.  I intended to place the folders in sda5 not sdb5.  
> The problem is that several movies were downloaded and Ktorrent was 
> instructed to put them in a folder that my computer doesn't think 
> exists.  They went some place, but I don't know where.  I ran a find on 
> one of the titles, but nothing came up. 
> 
> When a user screws up, do his errors just vaporize, or does the computer 
> put them some place?  And, can a person find that place?  TIA.
> 
> Steven
> 

Yes.

-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From nadreck at palain.com  Tue Nov 18 02:28:48 2008
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:28:48 -0500
Subject: More on Krusader and launching files
In-Reply-To: <200811061202.43510.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
References: <491260E3.80702@palain.com>
	<200811061202.43510.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <49222860.5030503@palain.com>

p.daniels wrote:
> On Wednesday November 5 2008 09:13:39 pm Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
>   
>> I have now checked this on 3 different computers. All were upgraded from
>> Hardy to Intrepid, and from KDE3 to KDE4. And all of them exhibit the
>> same problem, that Krusader can no longer launch files. Given this, I
>> think it is pretty clear that there is some kind of bug involved, though
>> I cannot tell whether it is in Kubuntu or KDE4. I have files a bug
>> report with Kubuntu for now.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL
>> nadreck at palain.com      Linux User #333216
>>
>> "People call me feminist whenever I express sentiments that
>> differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute." -- Rebecca West
>>     
>
> Sorry, coming in late on this. I can confirm that I do NOT have this problem on 
> the svn version. Is it throwing errors? Have you checked the file associations? 
> When did this start happening? Directly after upgrading to 8.04? Have you apt-
> get purge'd and reinstalled?
>   
OK, some recent update (I think) broke it again, and this time removing 
it, rebooting, and reinstalling couldn't get it to work again.

The version I am using is:

Version 2.0.0-beta2 "SVN TRUNK Space Odyssey"
Using KDE 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3)

It is not giving me any errors at all. I just click, and nothing 
happens. Or I right-click, select the program I want to use to open the 
file, and nothing happens.

Any ideas?

Thank you



-- 
Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL
nadreck at palain.com      Linux User #333216

"The problem with the French." George Bush confided in Tony Blair,  "is 
that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." - London Times



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 02:20:19 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:20:19 -0400
Subject: In the market for a new MP3 player
References: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811171314.45851.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<3473213.H0mt24tggt@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811171807.39384.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <68172511.xTYddm4zRQ@cedar.serverforest.com>

Bruce Marshall wrote:

> On Monday 17 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Now look!  It's only been 23 years and one week since I quit, and I
>> don't need to be reminded of the evil things this soon in my
>> reformation!!
> 
> Hee...   They say that after 10 yrs of quitting smoking, there is no
> evidence
> you ever smoked nor harmful effects.  (assuming you haven't already
> experienced said harmful effects)
 
_I_ say the first 10 years after you quit is the hardest.  And the next 
10 years are not much better.

I _hope_ they're right, because once you've quit you can devote all your
time to worrying about what you might have done to yourself.
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 02:59:12 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:59:12 -0500
Subject: SOLVED  Re: I lost some movie folders, need help to find them.  SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <200811172035.17284.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811172035.17284.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <49222F80.3080203@sbcglobal.net>

Martin Laberge wrote:
> On Monday 17 November 2008 19:33:48 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I changed the configuration on my Ktorrent program.  I created an 
>> instruction so that when downloads completed they be transferred to 
>> /media/sdb5/Completed Downloads.  The problem is, I meant to put them in 
>> /media/sda5/CompletedDownloads.
>>
>> I have a problem with my sdb5 partition, in fact I have lots of problems 
>> with the partitions on that HDD.  In any event, my computer doesn't 
>> think it does exist.  I intended to place the folders in sda5 not sdb5.  
>> The problem is that several movies were downloaded and Ktorrent was 
>> instructed to put them in a folder that my computer doesn't think 
>> exists.  They went some place, but I don't know where.  I ran a find on 
>> one of the titles, but nothing came up. 
>>
>> When a user screws up, do his errors just vaporize, or does the computer 
>> put them some place?  And, can a person find that place?  TIA.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
>
> Yes.
>   
Thanks!




From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 05:54:44 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:54:44 -0700
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show ontheKmenu/Internetdropdown
	again? SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <4920de71.1c89.b7196b90.e44e184@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
References: <4920de71.1c89.b7196b90.e44e184@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811172154x7bea00d9i5fa973b4d574aed9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM,  <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> --- Original message ---
> Subject: Re: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show
> ontheKmenu/Internetdropdown again? SOLVED
> From: Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Date: 17/11/2008 2:54 AM
>
>>And knode - the only way to read this list, Karm (a really useless time
>> tracker), knotes, akregator (rss feeds), a journal and to-do lists.
>
>
> How could I forget Akregator - my favourite RSS reader.

And strangely, web pages that you open with Akregator open up inside
kontact, not in knoqueror.  Thus returning us to the issue of
application integration.

Michael



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 06:06:00 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:06:00 -0700
Subject: I lost some movie folders, need help to find them.
In-Reply-To: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811172206r1a971e7dg749ee1ceb966e733@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I changed the configuration on my Ktorrent program.  I created an
> instruction so that when downloads completed they be transferred to
> /media/sdb5/Completed Downloads.  The problem is, I meant to put them in
> /media/sda5/CompletedDownloads.
>
> I have a problem with my sdb5 partition, in fact I have lots of problems
> with the partitions on that HDD.  In any event, my computer doesn't
> think it does exist.  I intended to place the folders in sda5 not sdb5.
> The problem is that several movies were downloaded and Ktorrent was
> instructed to put them in a folder that my computer doesn't think
> exists.  They went some place, but I don't know where.  I ran a find on
> one of the titles, but nothing came up.
>
> When a user screws up, do his errors just vaporize, or does the computer
> put them some place?  And, can a person find that place?  TIA.

The two tools I use for this are "locate" and "find".

Locate is a database of files on your system.  If you know the name of
the file (say it is "myfile.mp4") try running
   locate myfile.mp4
or, if all you remember is the .mp4 extension run
   locate .mp4

If the file is quite new it might not be in the locate database yet,
so try using find:
  find / -name *.mp4
This will take a long time, and will spit out every file you have that
ends in .mp4.

Both these commands have manual pages.  Run
   <ALT>-F2 man:find
or
   <ALT>-F2 man:locate
for all the gory detail.

Michael



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 06:06:59 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:06:59 +1000
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show
	ontheKmenu/Internetdropdownagain? SOLVED
Message-ID: <49225b83.1c89.b6cbdb90.6dfab3e9@blackpaw.dyndns.org>

--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show ontheKmenu/Internetdropdownagain? SOLVED
From: Michael Hirsch <mdhirsch at gmail.com>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 18/11/2008  6:00 AM

 > And strangely, web pages that you open with Akregator open up inside
> kontact, not in knoqueror.  Thus returning us to the issue of
> application integration. 

 True - and I quite like it that way. Can always right click to open it in konqueror if I want.

Are you saying you'd prefer different behaviour? because there are config options for it


Cheers,

--
Lindsay Mathieson
http://album.mathieson.org.nz/

 
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From godshatter at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 06:32:22 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:32:22 -0800
Subject: Can't find Compiz?
In-Reply-To: <492217C6.1080801@sbcglobal.net>
References: <492217C6.1080801@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49226176.5050508@yahoo.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Several months ago, when I upgraded to Hardy, I tried Compiz Fusion.  I 
> was not very successful with it, so I removed it.  I wanted to try it 
> again, because I am building a new computer with lots of memory and 
> thought it could handle it better.  Nonetheless, when I installed Compiz 
> again, and I am pretty sure it installed about a dozen packages, the 
> only evidence I can find of it is a thing called Desktop Effects in the 
> System choice of the Kmenu.  I clicked on the button that seemed most 
> intensive, but I can't find anything, like configuration options or 
> features or anything at all.  I notice that when I open or close a file, 
> it kind of zooms in or out, but that cannot be all there is to Compiz.
>
> What do I do to access those features?  TIA.
>
> Steven
>
>   
I installed a few other packages, like compizconfig-settings-manager and 
compiz-fusion-plugins-extra.  I also installed fusion-icon so I could 
get to some settings from the task bar.  I also have a few others 
installed.  I don't remember what was installed initially, except that 
the settings had to be installed to get most of the fun effects.

If you don't have an item called "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings" 
under the Settings menu off of the K-menu, then the above settings 
manager should probably be installed.  I'd recommend turning on the 
desktop cube and rotate cube under Desktop, and enabling the animations 
under Effects.  Play with some of the different minimizing, maximizing, 
and closing animations.  You might also find the wobbly windows fun.  
There are lots of effects to try.

Make sure you have emerald installed, and choose it as your window 
decorator using the fusion icon.   You can find lots of emerald themes 
on the net that you can import using the emerald theme manager 
accessible using the fusion icon.

Paul




From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 07:02:45 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:02:45 -0600
Subject: executable on a thumb drive
Message-ID: <200811180102.46806.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

I recently tried to install a Linux program (Writer's Cafe) onto one of my 
thumb drives.  The thumb drive is, of course, formatted to vfat, which makes 
every file executable.  However, the shell script used to launch the program 
will not launch on its own; it requires that I run it as an argument to sh.  
Now, I don't want to reformat the drive because I'll be installing the Windows 
version of the same software to the same drive.

My question is thus: is there a way to make the file act as though it had the 
executable bit on?  I realize this is merely an indication of sheer laziness 
on my part (I could always open up an xterm or similar and run it with sh), 
but I'd like to use it as intended - where I can just click on it after 
inserting the drive.  Am I jousting at windmills?



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 07:54:31 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:54:31 +0200
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
In-Reply-To: <8919700.Gh7V5Q7OcQ@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>
	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811160014u5c6a4aa6qe90bc08d26bf8658@mail.gmail.com>
	<8919700.Gh7V5Q7OcQ@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811172354v640d87dald21e9e4053ebe0ab@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/16 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>> Ah, but it _does_ have to do with Kubuntu. Kubuntu is the distro: the
>> folks who took all the tools (KDE, hcitool, Linux kernel) and packaged
>> them together. It is not a KDE issue, but it is a Kubuntu issue.
>
> That doesn't work unless "all" the tools are unsupported in Ubuntu - in
> which case, I don't even get why this is announced as a Kubuntu issue.
>

Because Bluetooth works in Ubuntu 8.10. At least on Ido's LG laptop it does.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 08:39:58 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:39:58 +0100
Subject: More on Krusader and launching files
In-Reply-To: <49222860.5030503@palain.com>
References: <491260E3.80702@palain.com>
	<200811061202.43510.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>
	<49222860.5030503@palain.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811180039m403ae91se23dcb363655c67f@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 Kevin B. O'Brien <nadreck at palain.com>:
> OK, some recent update (I think) broke it again, and this time removing
> it, rebooting, and reinstalling couldn't get it to work again.
>
> The version I am using is:
>
> Version 2.0.0-beta2 "SVN TRUNK Space Odyssey"
> Using KDE 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3)
>
> It is not giving me any errors at all. I just click, and nothing
> happens. Or I right-click, select the program I want to use to open the
> file, and nothing happens.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thank you
>
>
>

Have you tried to delete the configfiles for krusader? Version 2.* is
built for KDE4 and version 1.* in Hardy for KDE3 thats why i think
that there could be something with the configfiles.

/ Jonas



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 18 09:11:59 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:11:59 +0000
Subject: In the market for a new MP3 player
In-Reply-To: <3473213.H0mt24tggt@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811171314.45851.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<3473213.H0mt24tggt@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811180912.00058.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Monday 17 Nov 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Bruce Marshall wrote:
> > On Monday 17 November 2008, Richard S. Crawford wrote:
> >> My old Creative Nomad Zen Xtra has been a good
> >> workhorse for about six years now, but recently it's
> >> started to show its age; it reboots randomly and the
> >> KZenExplorer software no longer talks to it (although
> >> Amarok does, which is peculiar). So I'm in the market
> >> for a new MP3/media player. My ideal player would play
> >> videos as well as MP3's and ogg files. Ideally there
> >> would be some desktop software which could manage the
> >> files on the thing, including playlists (Amarok, for
> >> all its coolness, fails miserably in this regard). I'm
> >> open to getting an iPod but I'm told the latest ones
> >> do not play well with Linux.
> >>
> >> I'm open to all suggestions. Thanks!
> >
> > Take a look at the Cowan Iaudio line.   I have two of
> > the units... One is the
> > size of a pack of cigarettes (remember those?)
>
> Now look!  It's only been 23 years and one week since I
> quit, and I don't need to be reminded of the evil things
> this soon in my reformation!!
> --
> derek

hehe, I beat your 23 number by one

but its days not years! :)

nepal.



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 09:18:16 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:18:16 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
Message-ID: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>

It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
planning and poor thinking.
http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From girardhenri at free.fr  Tue Nov 18 09:32:55 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:32:55 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>

and really bad atitude to believe such craps ! 


Le mardi 18 novembre 2008 à 10:18 +0100, Knapp a écrit :
> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
> planning and poor thinking.
> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
> 
> -- 
> Douglas E Knapp
> 
> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page
> 




From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Tue Nov 18 10:29:46 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:29:46 +0200
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
Message-ID: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>

I'm setting up a wireless router and want to know which works best with Hardy 8.04 -- WAP or WEP?

TIA

Nigel
-- 



From mickrulist at voipfuture.com  Tue Nov 18 10:32:20 2008
From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:32:20 +0100
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
In-Reply-To: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <op.uks8v6qmpatht5@lxned.vodecc.com>

You mean WPA?
If so, it did work for me in Hardy and now in Intrepid.
WPA is more secure than WEP so you should prefer WPA

Am 18.11.2008, 11:29 Uhr, schrieb Nigel Ridley  
<nigel at prayingforisrael.net>:

> I'm setting up a wireless router and want to know which works best with  
> Hardy 8.04 -- WAP or WEP?
>
> TIA
>
> Nigel



-- 
Michael
VoIPFuture



From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 10:39:17 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:39:17 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>

Knapp wrote:
> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
> planning and poor thinking.
> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116

I am not in the least surprised.
I have stopped regarding myself as a committed kubuntu user and am 
deliberately using gnome more and more after seeing what kubuntu 8.10 
has become. I will certainly stay with 8.04 lts for as long as 
possible - mostly using kubuntu which I have preferred.

I distribute a lot of live CDs and have also now stopped handing out 
kubntu to newcomers, they will only get indigestion if they upgrade to 
8.10 when unprepared. It has been too easy to do a version upgrade 
unwittingly, before 8.04, but that is not just a kubuntu thing.

I help an elderly friend with computers - they have a dual boot laptop 
and a dual boot desktop. They have innocently done a version upgrade 
to 8.10 and did not like it to such an extent that they stopped using it.

I took them to gnome which is ok, it is nice and simple, (although 
they liked kubuntu pre 8.10). This has verified my fears that the 
increasing popularity of ubuntu will find the existing kubuntu 
offering  to be an adverse factor, most particularly for beginners. 
This is a reversal of what used to happen,  kubuntu (pre 8.10) was a 
good competition for windows.

I do hope I am wrong.
-- 
alan cocks
now a Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648



From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 10:42:54 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:42:54 +0000
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
In-Reply-To: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <49229C2E.3040602@candt.waitrose.com>

Nigel Ridley wrote:
> I'm setting up a wireless router and want to know which works best with Hardy 8.04 -- WAP or WEP?

I have just been looking into this for a friend and this is typical 
information:

Is there a new Wifi hack tool out? WEP+MAC Filter failures (2007)
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6132_102-0.html?forumID=32&threadID=242736&messageID=2457489
-- 
alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Tue Nov 18 10:50:09 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:50:09 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
Message-ID: <gfu6l2$sp6$1@ger.gmane.org>

Girard Henri wrote:
> and really bad atitude to believe such craps ! 
> 
> 
> Le mardi 18 novembre 2008 à 10:18 +0100, Knapp a écrit :
>> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
>> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
>> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
>> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
>> planning and poor thinking.
>> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
>>
>> -- 
>> Douglas E Knapp
>>
>> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page
>>
> 
> 
Actually imho the author of the Blog is completely correct in regard to 
how KDE made its userbase angry without any urge to do so.

On the other hand, if you look at (K)Intrepid, imho things are far 
better than what people blog about them. I cannot say, that it is 
perfect, its not even as good as 3.x, yet. But for me its perfect to 
work with.
So if "get the work done" is what you expect, at least I can do it with 
Kubuntu 8.10.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 10:53:35 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:53:35 +0300
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49229EAF.1020607@gmail.com>

Knapp wrote:
> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
> planning and poor thinking.
> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
One more story about bad Dolphin from user which was not able to remove it?

yes, kde4 lack stability now. But, please, keep in mind, this is very 
beginning of kde4.



From girardhenri at free.fr  Tue Nov 18 10:59:52 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:59:52 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>

you are wrong : i just compiled kde4.2 and i can tell you it's really a
good stuff even still in alpha
i upgraded this morning alpha 9.0.4 no on itch !
don't be so "morose"


Le mardi 18 novembre 2008 à 10:39 +0000, alan c a écrit :
> Knapp wrote:
> > It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
> > is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
> > hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
> > distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
> > planning and poor thinking.
> > http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
> 
> I am not in the least surprised.
> I have stopped regarding myself as a committed kubuntu user and am 
> deliberately using gnome more and more after seeing what kubuntu 8.10 
> has become. I will certainly stay with 8.04 lts for as long as 
> possible - mostly using kubuntu which I have preferred.
> 
> I distribute a lot of live CDs and have also now stopped handing out 
> kubntu to newcomers, they will only get indigestion if they upgrade to 
> 8.10 when unprepared. It has been too easy to do a version upgrade 
> unwittingly, before 8.04, but that is not just a kubuntu thing.
> 
> I help an elderly friend with computers - they have a dual boot laptop 
> and a dual boot desktop. They have innocently done a version upgrade 
> to 8.10 and did not like it to such an extent that they stopped using it.
> 
> I took them to gnome which is ok, it is nice and simple, (although 
> they liked kubuntu pre 8.10). This has verified my fears that the 
> increasing popularity of ubuntu will find the existing kubuntu 
> offering  to be an adverse factor, most particularly for beginners. 
> This is a reversal of what used to happen,  kubuntu (pre 8.10) was a 
> good competition for windows.
> 
> I do hope I am wrong.
> -- 
> alan cocks
> now a Ubuntu user #10391
> Linux user #360648
> 




From dave at thefletchers.net  Tue Nov 18 11:10:19 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:10:19 +0000
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
In-Reply-To: <49229C2E.3040602@candt.waitrose.com>
References: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49229C2E.3040602@candt.waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <200811181110.19268.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Tuesday 18 November 2008 10:42:54 alan c wrote:
> Nigel Ridley wrote:
> > I'm setting up a wireless router and want to know which works best with
> > Hardy 8.04 -- WAP or WEP?
>
> I have just been looking into this for a friend and this is typical
> information:
>
> Is there a new Wifi hack tool out? WEP+MAC Filter failures (2007)
> http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6132_102-0.html?forumID=32&threadID=242736&mess
>ageID=2457489 --
> alan cocks
> Ubuntu user #10391
> Linux user #360648

I am told by people more knowledgeable by myself that WEP is cracked by using 
a machine with two WiFi interfaces, with one challenging the network and the 
other listening to the response. After some time (10 or 20 minutes) it is 
possible to determine what the WEP password is from the data gathered from 
the responses. This is not a dictionary attack, it attacks and defeats the 
encryption itself.

WPA apparently cannot be attacked in this fashion. But I am told (again  by 
those people more knowledgeable by myself) that there is an easily avoided 
vulnerability. When a connection is initiated, the network password is 
broadcast in a hashed form. Naturally, any cracker knows the algorithm used 
to produce this hash, so if it is captured it is possible to perform a 
dictionary attack on the hash. To avoid this vulnerability, do not use words 
that can be found in a dictionary.

Like I said, I'm not and expert in WiFi protocols so if I'm talking BS 
somebody just say so and I won't be offended.

BTW my wireless router (the cheapest Belkin model) using WPA lets me define a 
guest password. It says it only allows internet access, and hides the local 
network. Useful for when my son's friends visit with their PSPs etc.

Dave




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 11:17:50 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:17:50 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com> <1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>
Message-ID: <f495db580811180317w59a5f00jcaa08107098e5c0a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Girard Henri <girardhenri at free.fr> wrote:
> you are wrong : i just compiled kde4.2 and i can tell you it's really a
> good stuff even still in alpha
> i upgraded this morning alpha 9.0.4 no on itch !
> don't be so "morose"

You are a power users and know what is what. The moment you said
compile you jumped out of the biggest group of users, the normal
users.

I have been telling my brother for 3 years that Linux is better and
that Kubuntu is really great and that I don't like Gnome. He just
decided to switch. The first think I would do would be to install
8.04. The first thing my brother would do is click the upgrade button
because that is what he has always done in Windows. So then he will
come looking for my head if 8.10 does not work. I sure would not want
to be the person that helps 1000 new users with 8.04 that might
upgrade to 8.10 kubuntu.

Anyway, so now I have to explain to my brother why he should love
Gnome or else remove that update button! :-/

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 11:29:25 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:29:25 +0100
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
In-Reply-To: <200811181110.19268.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49229C2E.3040602@candt.waitrose.com>
	<200811181110.19268.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <f495db580811180329y6a84e7b6ic0f206cf9193836a@mail.gmail.com>

Cracking wep is faster and easier that that and does not take 2 cards.
This bit is a bit long because they start at a blank HD and help you
install Ubuntu and the wifi driver.
http://www.askstudent.com/hacking/how-to-crack-a-wep-key-using-ubuntu/



-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 11:30:33 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:30:33 +0000
Subject: kubuntu 8.10 kwin crash
Message-ID: <4922A759.7010301@gmail.com>

Hi all,

As soon as the kwin start, it crashes w/o any visible errors and X restarts.

I tried 8.10 using Ubuntu Studio and that works fine with Gnome. After installing kubuntu packages, as soon as the KDE window appears, it goes back to the gdm/kdm window. There are no apparent errors in Xorg log file. The same behaviour happens if I run kwin from the rescue shell. I can run any window manager but calling kwin causes instant crash. 

More interestingly, the Kubuntu 8.10 CD does the same on this machine. The graphics card is a built-in Via on an Asus board. I know the Kubuntu CD is fine since it works perfectly OK under VMWare.

If I start gnome and run kdestart, since there is already a window manager running, kwin doesn't start and the rest of the KDE software works OK. Obviously that's an extremely weird way of using KDE. :)

Thinking it's a permission problem, I tried the same with a completely brand new user and a clean /tmp and that didn't fix it either. The base installation is a stock Ubuntu-Studio installation with no encrypted partitions, file systems or anything special.

Is there any particular log file I can check for errors?
Does this happen to be a common problem?

Cheers,
-- 
Hakan - http://www.hititgunesi.org




From 316097 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 11:54:07 2008
From: 316097 at gmail.com (316097 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:54:07 +0100
Subject: Adept Manager crashes!
Message-ID: <ed4f31270811180354n1f06534cx5c9cfc7d3343aae9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

When I try to run Adept it crashes, then I try to run it from a
console, same thing happens, below is the output, can anyone help me?

[sudo] password for pierre:
kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-pierre" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
debconf
adduser
sysklogd
snort-mysql
oinkmaster
debconf
adduser
sysklogd
snort-mysql
oinkmaster
KCrash: Application 'adept_manager' crashing...
KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.



From barnaby at drofle.com  Tue Nov 18 12:05:14 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:05:14 +0000
Subject: Staying with Hardy
Message-ID: <4922AF7A.2040101@drofle.com>

A liitle while ago I decided to move from Edgy Kubuntu to a more up to 
date version. I did a backup of Edgy and then a new install of Gutsy. A 
little tweaking was needed but it all went very well. Meanwhile I had 
read plenty of praise for Hardy and I had the CD's so a while later I 
installed Hardy as a dual boot with Gutsy. So some first impressions.

I made a few changes.

I sorted out the NumLock  problem. That is, I set it to switch NumLock 
on automatically, then found that the  light did not show the correct 
state of the set-up. The light was off when NumLock was on and vice 
versa. A search in Google showed that this was a known problem and also 
showed me how to sort it out.

I prefer to double click the mouse to launch a program so I changed that 
too.

I installed Firefox (version 2) and Thunderbird. I do not like kmail for 
email nor konqueror as a browser.

I installed the Gimp.

I set konqueror to be the default file manager, as I do not like Dolphin.

I installed GnuCash.

I use floppies for small backups. Yes, I know, still in the stone age, 
but I find them useful to backup my accounts in GnuCash. When I tried to 
use them in Hardy there were some problems which I eventually tracked 
down to an error in the relevant line in fstab.

The install had not found my printer properly so I added my printer and 
made it the default.

I added some more programs which I like, eg Opera, Scribus, Abiword, 
Krusader, Kexi.

Now it all seems to be going along nicely thank you.

So my comments ...

all this tweaking was simple enough for me, and I do not consider myself 
to be an expert at all. However, a newbie would get a bit lost I suggest.

I chose version two of Firefox because I have read that there are still 
some problems with version three.

I avoided KDE4 due to all the problems I read about in this list.

I am not considering Intrepid at all as an upgrade after reading about 
so many people who are having difficulties with it, especially KDE4. I 
also do not like the idea of being forced to use Dolphin instead of 
Konqueror. I thought that personal choice was one of the main reasons 
for using Linux.

So, I am happy so far with Hardy (Kubuntu)  and I expect to stay with it 
for a long time to come. If it ain't broke ........

Neil Winchurst








From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 12:46:39 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:46:39 +0200
Subject: Staying with Hardy
In-Reply-To: <4922AF7A.2040101@drofle.com>
References: <4922AF7A.2040101@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811180446n6c86d808p7f15ddffca40cfed@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 Neil Winchurst <barnaby at drofle.com>:
> A liitle while ago I decided to move from Edgy Kubuntu to a more up to
> date version. I did a backup of Edgy and then a new install of Gutsy. A
> little tweaking was needed but it all went very well. Meanwhile I had
> read plenty of praise for Hardy and I had the CD's so a while later I
> installed Hardy as a dual boot with Gutsy. So some first impressions.
>
> I made a few changes.
>
> I sorted out the NumLock  problem. That is, I set it to switch NumLock
> on automatically, then found that the  light did not show the correct
> state of the set-up. The light was off when NumLock was on and vice
> versa. A search in Google showed that this was a known problem and also
> showed me how to sort it out.
>
> I prefer to double click the mouse to launch a program so I changed that
> too.
>
> I installed Firefox (version 2) and Thunderbird. I do not like kmail for
> email nor konqueror as a browser.
>
> I installed the Gimp.
>
> I set konqueror to be the default file manager, as I do not like Dolphin.
>
> I installed GnuCash.
>
> I use floppies for small backups. Yes, I know, still in the stone age,
> but I find them useful to backup my accounts in GnuCash. When I tried to
> use them in Hardy there were some problems which I eventually tracked
> down to an error in the relevant line in fstab.
>
> The install had not found my printer properly so I added my printer and
> made it the default.
>
> I added some more programs which I like, eg Opera, Scribus, Abiword,
> Krusader, Kexi.
>
> Now it all seems to be going along nicely thank you.
>
> So my comments ...
>
> all this tweaking was simple enough for me, and I do not consider myself
> to be an expert at all. However, a newbie would get a bit lost I suggest.
>
> I chose version two of Firefox because I have read that there are still
> some problems with version three.
>
> I avoided KDE4 due to all the problems I read about in this list.
>
> I am not considering Intrepid at all as an upgrade after reading about
> so many people who are having difficulties with it, especially KDE4. I
> also do not like the idea of being forced to use Dolphin instead of
> Konqueror. I thought that personal choice was one of the main reasons
> for using Linux.
>
> So, I am happy so far with Hardy (Kubuntu)  and I expect to stay with it
> for a long time to come. If it ain't broke ........
>
> Neil Winchurst
>
>

see everybody? now that's the spirit we need as Linux users! and
that's what i call setting up a system properly, you chose your
default programs, removed those you don't want, added what you need
that wasn't set up automatically, in short, a perfect install and set
up.
now to the point, is there anything you feel missing? i guess not, do
you really KDE4? obviously not. do you necessarily have to upgrade to
intrepid? another not! why the hell bother then? Hardy has been so
far, the best (k)ubuntu version i've used, the most stable, the most
reliable, with the latest software available, special PPAs for those
very new, and much smarter than gutsy in setting up X, fstab, and
other things. unless you are someone who enjoys beta-testing and
experimental software, there is no need to upgrade!
another point that keeps bugging me is the LTS thing. hardy, whether
LTS or not, what difference does it make? supported for 1 year, 2
years or zillion years, what difference does it make? isn't hardy
working now? if it loses it's support tomorrow, it won't boot anymore?
you won't get new security updates, so what? those same security
updates you'll get next month, are not currently installed on your
system, and ur system is vulnerable about them! do you people really
care about these security patches? are you all working in some hostile
environment or something? or living near some very nasty and smart
hackers? most of these security patches cover flaws that really
require some very smart hacker to exploit, remember, this is Linux!
there are no obvious security holes that can be exploited by kids!
so what does this support mean? nothing! unless you are a paying
customer, and buying commercial support from Canonical or it's
partners, support is really nothing. and as far as i can see,
community support never ceases, there are people still using pre-gutsy
releases, and are being helped here!

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 13:06:16 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:06:16 +0200
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811180506l6c4a4d50hd83c62d74d37ad5e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
> planning and poor thinking.
> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
>
> --
> Douglas E Knapp
>

the author, like a lot of other people, is missing the point. everyone
keeps complaining about how konqueror lost all of it's features
because dolphin came on the line, not true! dolphin was in KDE 3.5 and
konqueror was still feature rich. konqueror lost it's features just
because of KDE4. all of KDE lost it's features in the transition to
KDE4 due to the rewriting from scratch. and konqueror is just one part
of all the other application that suffered this loss of features.
kcontrol? it's not here, systemsettings will replace it, and it will
soon be a feature full application. and trust me, if kcontrol was
still available, it would have been a very feature missing
application, with very limited configuration options.
as for why KDE4 is not an improved KDE3? this was discussed in another
thread. rewrite is much cleaner and better. it's tiring, it's hard,
for both developers and end-users, but the end result is much better
than improving, which usually causes loads of bloat, unused code here
and there, code that is just accumulating over the years, bugs moving
on, etc... in short, the improving a program procedure, is the
procedure responsible for much of the bloat, bugs, and instabilities
of Windows, i mean really now, there is code in vista that might have
been used since the days of 95!


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 13:14:19 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:14:19 +0200
Subject: executable on a thumb drive
In-Reply-To: <200811180102.46806.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
References: <200811180102.46806.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811180514mc9dad2ewf8b5166b3830016e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 Constantinos Maltezos <pandarsson at yahoo.com>:
> I recently tried to install a Linux program (Writer's Cafe) onto one of my
> thumb drives.  The thumb drive is, of course, formatted to vfat, which makes
> every file executable.  However, the shell script used to launch the program
> will not launch on its own; it requires that I run it as an argument to sh.
> Now, I don't want to reformat the drive because I'll be installing the Windows
> version of the same software to the same drive.
>
> My question is thus: is there a way to make the file act as though it had the
> executable bit on?  I realize this is merely an indication of sheer laziness
> on my part (I could always open up an xterm or similar and run it with sh),
> but I'd like to use it as intended - where I can just click on it after
> inserting the drive.  Am I jousting at windmills?
>

i'm not sure about this, or what exactly is the option needed, but
could it be an executable mount option? give mount an option to allow
executables on this device? maybe put this option in fstab?


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 13:19:45 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:19:45 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>
	<1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>
Message-ID: <4922C0F1.2010807@candt.waitrose.com>

Girard Henri wrote:
> you are wrong : i just compiled kde4.2 and i can tell you it's really a
> good stuff even still in alpha
> i upgraded this morning alpha 9.0.4 no on itch !
> don't be so "morose"

I do not deny there is lots of really good stuff in it. I like some 
things in kubuntu 8.10. It is a quite brilliant approach and in some 
ways it is a joy to use.

However, firstly the newcomers are faced not with a new compile, but 
with the live CD which is frozen in time, secondly some things are 
uncomfortable to live with such as the login backgrounds, the K menu 
animations. It also is missing the disks and filesystems facility 
which I happen to use, maybe others I have not yet looked.

Newcomers are also very likely to be confused by Widgets, however good 
they are. I certainly was confused at first.

>> I do hope I am wrong.

maybe time will tell
-- 
alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648



From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 13:22:16 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:22:16 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <49229EAF.1020607@gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<49229EAF.1020607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4922C188.5050008@candt.waitrose.com>

Alexander Smirnov wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
>> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
>> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
>> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
>> planning and poor thinking.
>> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
> One more story about bad Dolphin from user which was not able to remove it?
> 
> yes, kde4 lack stability now. But, please, keep in mind, this is very 
> beginning of kde4.

Kubuntu is distributed on a live CD! Warts and all!
-- 
alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 13:23:27 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:23:27 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811180506l6c4a4d50hd83c62d74d37ad5e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<15edeae40811180506l6c4a4d50hd83c62d74d37ad5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811180523g49945ef2wf881d6ac6eb7be6e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/18 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
>> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
>> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
>> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
>> planning and poor thinking.
>> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
>>
>> --
>> Douglas E Knapp
>>
>
> the author, like a lot of other people, is missing the point. everyone
> keeps complaining about how konqueror lost all of it's features
> because dolphin came on the line, not true! dolphin was in KDE 3.5 and
> konqueror was still feature rich. konqueror lost it's features just
> because of KDE4. all of KDE lost it's features in the transition to
> KDE4 due to the rewriting from scratch. and konqueror is just one part
> of all the other application that suffered this loss of features.
> kcontrol? it's not here, systemsettings will replace it, and it will
> soon be a feature full application. and trust me, if kcontrol was
> still available, it would have been a very feature missing
> application, with very limited configuration options.
> as for why KDE4 is not an improved KDE3? this was discussed in another
> thread. rewrite is much cleaner and better. it's tiring, it's hard,
> for both developers and end-users, but the end result is much better
> than improving, which usually causes loads of bloat, unused code here
> and there, code that is just accumulating over the years, bugs moving
> on, etc... in short, the improving a program procedure, is the
> procedure responsible for much of the bloat, bugs, and instabilities
> of Windows, i mean really now, there is code in vista that might have
> been used since the days of 95!
>
>
> --
> Willy K. Hamra
> Manager of Hamra Information Systems
> Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.

But you would not have anywhere near this level of negative reaction,
if Kubuntu had waited a year to switch KDE4 to the default or at least
kept kde3 as an option. Kubuntu is a USERS distro not a developers
distro. This is not Gentoo with a bunch of savvy users. It should work
well when it is set to be the default program.


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 13:30:24 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:30:24 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811180506l6c4a4d50hd83c62d74d37ad5e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<15edeae40811180506l6c4a4d50hd83c62d74d37ad5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4922C370.40105@candt.waitrose.com>

Willy Hamra wrote:
> 2008/11/18 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning
>> it is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu?
>> I sure hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it
>> very distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due
>> to bad planning and poor thinking. 
>> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
>> 
>> -- Douglas E Knapp
>> 
> 
> the author, like a lot of other people, is missing the point.
> everyone keeps complaining about how konqueror lost all of it's
> features because dolphin came on the line, not true! dolphin was in
> KDE 3.5 and konqueror was still feature rich. konqueror lost it's
> features just because of KDE4. all of KDE lost it's features in the
> transition to KDE4 due to the rewriting from scratch. and konqueror
> is just one part of all the other application that suffered this
> loss of features. kcontrol? it's not here, systemsettings will
> replace it, and it will soon be a feature full application. and
> trust me, if kcontrol was still available, it would have been a
> very feature missing application, with very limited configuration
> options. as for why KDE4 is not an improved KDE3? this was
> discussed in another thread. rewrite is much cleaner and better.
> it's tiring, it's hard, for both developers and end-users, but the
> end result is much better than improving, which usually causes
> loads of bloat, unused code here and there, code that is just
> accumulating over the years, bugs moving on, etc... in short, the
> improving a program procedure, is the procedure responsible for
> much of the bloat, bugs, and instabilities of Windows, i mean
> really now, there is code in vista that might have been used since
> the days of 95!

I would like to avoid any comparison of linux with vista.
Mistakes by the party of the second part do not justify less mistakes
by the party of the first part.......
:-)
And I really like Dolphin too, once I got used to it, and found out
how to use it. Although its presence took me by surprise, as did
kubuntu 8.10.
Surprises are usually bad news, and I suspect that the kde team may
not realise that enough.
-- 
alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 14:13:00 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:13:00 +0100
Subject: [Was]: Staying with Hardy
Message-ID: <b8d784880811180613i7c1f1a56x649bbee8c7f91880@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 Willy Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> another point that keeps bugging me is the LTS thing. hardy, whether
> LTS or not, what difference does it make? supported for 1 year, 2
> years or zillion years, what difference does it make? isn't hardy
> working now? if it loses it's support tomorrow, it won't boot anymore?
> you won't get new security updates, so what? those same security
> updates you'll get next month, are not currently installed on your
> system, and ur system is vulnerable about them! do you people really
> care about these security patches? are you all working in some hostile
> environment or something? or living near some very nasty and smart
> hackers? most of these security patches cover flaws that really
> require some very smart hacker to exploit, remember, this is Linux!
> there are no obvious security holes that can be exploited by kids!
>

I don't agree with you on the security. I think you have a
responsibility to internet users to make sure your systems are secure.
You are assuming that the smart hacker that discovered the security
holes want tell anyone so the kids cant exploit it, but you are wrong
sooner or later he will report to the vendors, show it at black hat or
use it so others will found out about it, and from there there is not
long before there is a tool that can sweep the Internet for machines
with that security hole and the kids and other will start using it to
turn your machine to a zombie that perhaps will serve child porn to
sick bastards.

The point is, you may not care what happens to your computer or your
data but if you are connected to the net you have some responsibility
to others that it may affect.

/ Jonas



From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 14:15:27 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:15:27 +0200
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
Message-ID: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

Hi,
I find myself with a new domain and a server. I have got all kinds of things 
working but I cannot figure-out email. Can anyone give me the 'big picture' 
so that I can go grep the details?

1. People need to be able to send mail to blah at mydomain.xyz where mydomain.xyz 
is my new domain on my virtual server.
2. I need to be able to fetch and read this mail from kmail at home (not on 
the server).
3. I need to be able to send a reply from kmail at home such that it will seem 
to come from my server -- i.e. sent from mydomain.xyz

On the server, I have installed Postfix and Courier, so far.

I have been googling and reading docs but just can't get this right. They all 
jump into ssl and spam and anti-virus stuff so fast and I can't even squeak a 
line of text through yet!


Thx,
\d



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 14:19:31 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:19:31 +0100
Subject: kubuntu 8.10 kwin crash
In-Reply-To: <4922A759.7010301@gmail.com>
References: <4922A759.7010301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811180619u7055650doed540a9c68303e26@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 Hakan Koseoglu <hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> As soon as the kwin start, it crashes w/o any visible errors and X restarts.
>
> I tried 8.10 using Ubuntu Studio and that works fine with Gnome. After installing kubuntu packages, as soon as the KDE window appears, it goes back to the gdm/kdm window. There are no apparent errors in Xorg log file. The same behaviour happens if I run kwin from the rescue shell. I can run any window manager but calling kwin causes instant crash.
>
> More interestingly, the Kubuntu 8.10 CD does the same on this machine. The graphics card is a built-in Via on an Asus board. I know the Kubuntu CD is fine since it works perfectly OK under VMWare.
>
> If I start gnome and run kdestart, since there is already a window manager running, kwin doesn't start and the rest of the KDE software works OK. Obviously that's an extremely weird way of using KDE. :)
>
> Thinking it's a permission problem, I tried the same with a completely brand new user and a clean /tmp and that didn't fix it either. The base installation is a stock Ubuntu-Studio installation with no encrypted partitions, file systems or anything special.
>
> Is there any particular log file I can check for errors?

You could check ~/.xsession-errors

/ Jonas



From gloonie at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 14:27:53 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:27:53 -0500
Subject: Adept Manager crashes!
In-Reply-To: <ed4f31270811180354n1f06534cx5c9cfc7d3343aae9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ed4f31270811180354n1f06534cx5c9cfc7d3343aae9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811180927.53574.gloonie@earthlink.net>

How are you running Adept? From a command line or from the gui?

Also, can you post the result of running:

ls  -ld /var/tmp/kdecache*


Glenn

-- 
Glenn R Williams


On Tuesday 18 November 2008 06:54:07 316097 at gmail.com wrote:
> Hi!
>
> When I try to run Adept it crashes, then I try to run it from a
> console, same thing happens, below is the output, can anyone help me?
>
> [sudo] password for pierre:
> kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-pierre" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
> debconf
> adduser
> sysklogd
> snort-mysql
> oinkmaster
> debconf
> adduser
> sysklogd
> snort-mysql
> oinkmaster
> KCrash: Application 'adept_manager' crashing...
> KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.




From gloonie at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 14:41:03 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:41:03 -0500
Subject: Question on find inconsistency
Message-ID: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

I found a peculiar inconsistency with the  "find" command and wonder if anyone 
can explain it (or even has it on their machine). 

It has to do with quoting the  search pattern for the -name option. On my 
system, if I run:

find / -name *.mp4

It works fine, and finds the files. BUT, if I just change the extension:

find / -name *.txt

I get an error:

find: paths must precede expression: file1.txt
Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] 
[path...] [expression]

Does anyone know why this would be? I've used find for many years, but always 
quoted the -name argument.

TIA,

Glenn

-- 
Glenn R Williams
----------------
Aşağı tükürsem sakal, yukarı tükürsem bıyık!
	-- 





From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov 18 14:48:01 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:48:01 -0600
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
In-Reply-To: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <4922D5A1.8090207@swbell.net>

Nigel Ridley wrote:
> I'm setting up a wireless router and want to know which works best with Hardy 8.04 -- WAP or WEP?
>
> TIA
>
> Nigel
>   
YUP



I'm sorry. *<]:oD

We use WEP and it works very well.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 14:52:45 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:52:45 +0200
Subject: Question on find inconsistency
In-Reply-To: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200811181652.45233.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

> find / -name *.mp4
find is very confusing. I think you should use quotes tho:
find / -name "*.mp4" might help.

\d



From gloonie at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 14:57:31 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:57:31 -0500
Subject: Question on find inconsistency - SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <200811181652.45233.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811181652.45233.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811180957.31474.gloonie@earthlink.net>

Thanks Donn,

I found something to answer (partially) my own question: When there is only 1 
file with that pattern in the directory, not quoting the argument works. 
However, when 2 or more files are present with the same pattern, the same error 
message appears.

Bottom line: the shell (bash in my case) is globbing the argument before it is 
present to find. In effect, if your have two files, say file1.txt and file2.txt, 
and your write:

find . -name *.txt

then the shell present this to find:

find . -name file1.txt file2.txt

This is why the quotes are needed.
-- 
Glenn R Williams
----------------
Yaşamak bir ağaç gibi tek ve hür
ve bir orman gibi kardeşçesine,
bu hasret bizim
	-- Nazım Hikmet

On Tuesday 18 November 2008 09:52:45 Donn wrote:
> > find / -name *.mp4
>
> find is very confusing. I think you should use quotes tho:
> find / -name "*.mp4" might help.
>
> \d




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 14:55:10 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:55:10 -0400
Subject: SOLVED Re: How do I get Kmail to show
	ontheKmenu/Internetdropdownagain? SOLVED
References: <49225b83.1c89.b6cbdb90.6dfab3e9@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <5987852.p0AgylBQSM@cedar.serverforest.com>

lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:

> From: Michael Hirsch
> 
>> And strangely, web pages that you open with Akregator open up
>> inside
>> kontact, not in knoqueror.  Thus returning us to the issue of
>> application integration.
> 
>  True - and I quite like it that way. Can always right click to open
>  it in konqueror if I want.

Yeah, I like it that way too, but it doesn't seem to be using a proper 
konqueror kpart - or at least wasn't in kde3.5, perhaps that's fixed.  Or 
if it was, it wasn't what I would have expected the kpart to be, as it 
seemed to be missing features - some things that konqueror could handle 
(script mostly) weren't handled in akregator's browser view.

-- 
derek




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov 18 15:04:37 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:04:37 -0600
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
In-Reply-To: <49229C2E.3040602@candt.waitrose.com>
References: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49229C2E.3040602@candt.waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <4922D985.3020908@swbell.net>

alan c wrote:
> Nigel Ridley wrote:
>   
>> I'm setting up a wireless router and want to know which works best with Hardy 8.04 -- WAP or WEP?
>>     
>
> I have just been looking into this for a friend and this is typical 
> information:
>
> Is there a new Wifi hack tool out? WEP+MAC Filter failures (2007)
> http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6132_102-0.html?forumID=32&threadID=242736&messageID=2457489
>   

 There's a WEP/WPA cracking tool in the repos for 8.04, aircrack-ng. I 
was surprised to see it was installed on my desktop as a default. I need 
to check my laptop.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 15:02:36 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:02:36 -0400
Subject: executable on a thumb drive
References: <200811180102.46806.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<15edeae40811180514mc9dad2ewf8b5166b3830016e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6558147.mIUxtemvRf@cedar.serverforest.com>

Willy Hamra wrote:

> 2008/11/18 Constantinos Maltezos <pandarsson at yahoo.com>:
>> I recently tried to install a Linux program (Writer's Cafe) onto one
>> of my
>> thumb drives.  The thumb drive is, of course, formatted to vfat,
>> which makes every file executable.  

Not really.

> i'm not sure about this, or what exactly is the option needed, but
> could it be an executable mount option? give mount an option to allow
> executables on this device? maybe put this option in fstab?

Indeed.  Removable media are generally _not_ executable (I've never quit 
figured out why):

$ mount | grep scd0
/dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 
(ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=derek)

Mount with the "exec" option (I'm _sure_ you can do that on a per-device 
basis, but I can't remember how, short of editing the hal .fdi files).
-- 
derek




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov 18 15:08:21 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:08:21 -0600
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811180317w59a5f00jcaa08107098e5c0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>
	<1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>
	<f495db580811180317w59a5f00jcaa08107098e5c0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4922DA65.9030101@swbell.net>

Knapp wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Girard Henri <girardhenri at free.fr> wrote:
>   
>> you are wrong : i just compiled kde4.2 and i can tell you it's really a
>> good stuff even still in alpha
>> i upgraded this morning alpha 9.0.4 no on itch !
>> don't be so "morose"
>>     
>
> You are a power users and know what is what. The moment you said
> compile you jumped out of the biggest group of users, the normal
> users.
>
> I have been telling my brother for 3 years that Linux is better and
> that Kubuntu is really great and that I don't like Gnome. He just
> decided to switch. The first think I would do would be to install
> 8.04. The first thing my brother would do is click the upgrade button
> because that is what he has always done in Windows. So then he will
> come looking for my head if 8.10 does not work. I sure would not want
> to be the person that helps 1000 new users with 8.04 that might
> upgrade to 8.10 kubuntu.
>
> Anyway, so now I have to explain to my brother why he should love
> Gnome or else remove that update button! :-/
>
>   
Why not just explain to him why he shouldn't click the update button 
just yet?

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 15:07:36 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:07:36 -0400
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
References: <A63A073F42F08B41AD4354FA015F94E74F3582@mail2.carrollcc.edu>
	<880dece00811150301m3f505c50td280b5708a3c6212@mail.gmail.com>
	<4676064.lU7ia2MTO1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811151040y333ea957m3121a0269cd5656f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1265913.u1WIQV14JD@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811160014u5c6a4aa6qe90bc08d26bf8658@mail.gmail.com>
	<8919700.Gh7V5Q7OcQ@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811172354v640d87dald21e9e4053ebe0ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3705159.XrBCpZsOYX@cedar.serverforest.com>

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> 2008/11/16 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
>>> Ah, but it _does_ have to do with Kubuntu. Kubuntu is the distro:
>>> the folks who took all the tools (KDE, hcitool, Linux kernel) and
>>> packaged them together. It is not a KDE issue, but it is a Kubuntu
>>> issue.
>>
>> That doesn't work unless "all" the tools are unsupported in Ubuntu -
>> in which case, I don't even get why this is announced as a Kubuntu
>> issue.
>>
> 
> Because Bluetooth works in Ubuntu 8.10. At least on Ido's LG laptop it
> does.
 
Then the low-level tools like hcitool have to work - which is my point.  
_This_ problem is not a Kubuntu one.  Kubuntu may not be able to support 
the KDE bluetooth interfaces, but hcitool is not "packaged together" 
with Kubuntu.
-- 
derek




From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 15:12:09 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:12:09 +0100
Subject: Question on find inconsistency - SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <200811180957.31474.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811181652.45233.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811180957.31474.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811180712t2aa9a1fwfdd13a32635652a9@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 Glenn R Williams <gloonie at earthlink.net>:
> Thanks Donn,
>
> I found something to answer (partially) my own question: When there is only 1
> file with that pattern in the directory, not quoting the argument works.
> However, when 2 or more files are present with the same pattern, the same error
> message appears.
>
> Bottom line: the shell (bash in my case) is globbing the argument before it is
> present to find. In effect, if your have two files, say file1.txt and file2.txt,
> and your write:
>
> find . -name *.txt
>
> then the shell present this to find:
>
> find . -name file1.txt file2.txt
>
> This is why the quotes are needed.
> --
> Glenn R Williams

Thanks!

Thats good to know

/ Jonas



From dave at thefletchers.net  Tue Nov 18 15:19:36 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:19:36 +0000
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
In-Reply-To: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811181519.36245.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Tuesday 18 November 2008 14:15:27 Donn wrote:
> Hi,
> I find myself with a new domain and a server. I have got all kinds of
> things working but I cannot figure-out email. Can anyone give me the 'big
> picture' so that I can go grep the details?
>
> 1. People need to be able to send mail to blah at mydomain.xyz where
> mydomain.xyz is my new domain on my virtual server.
When postfix is first installed it asks for you to tell it what the basic 
installation type is. I made a mistake with mine, which unlike yours is not 
receiving mail from the Internet. To get it to run from the top again, I 
think I had to uninstall it and delete the configs from /etc. I'm now outside 
of my personal experience, but if you've got a server with a fixed IP address 
you should be able to get something called an MX record to direct email 
directly into your server.

You will then need to get postfix to sort your incoming mail into user mail 
boxes. This again is outside my experience but you might like to read up on 
mail aliases or maybe procmail.

> 2. I need to be able to fetch and read this mail from kmail at home (not on
> the server).
Try dovecot. Mine is set to work over SSL through port 995. This is blocked by 
my employer's firewall outgoing, though, so I use other means. Maybe somebody 
else can comment on using port 110 with TLS? Is it as secure as SSL?

If you want to use web mail, try squirrelmail, which works through apache. 
Again, make sure it's working over ssl.

> > 3. I need to be able to send a reply from kmail at home such that it will 
> seem to come from my server -- i.e. sent from mydomain.xyz
Be very, VERY careful about accepting mail from outside for forwarding. Don't 
be an open relay. You will need to implement Authenticated SMTP to do this. 
Easier to just use your ISP's SMTP server and set your default reply-to 
address in kmail.

>
> On the server, I have installed Postfix and Courier, so far.
>
> I have been googling and reading docs but just can't get this right. They
> all jump into ssl and spam and anti-virus stuff so fast and I can't even
> squeak a line of text through yet!
I know, it's not easy. I don't really know what I'm doing in depth. My home 
server was set up mostly using WebMin for ease, but I find I can't remember 
how it works. I'm now working through it again with a lab rat machine at 
work, doing it manually, and KEEPING NOTES! I'm using Notecase for this. Make 
sure you get the latest version (from sourceforge?).

Dave




From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 15:28:21 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:28:21 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811180523g49945ef2wf881d6ac6eb7be6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<15edeae40811180506l6c4a4d50hd83c62d74d37ad5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811180523g49945ef2wf881d6ac6eb7be6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4922DF15.7000509@candt.waitrose.com>

Knapp wrote:
[...]
> Kubuntu is a USERS distro not a developers
> distro. This is not Gentoo with a bunch of savvy users. It should work
> well when it is set to be the default program.

Very succinctly put!
Thank you.
--
alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 15:27:51 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:27:51 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>
	<1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>
	<f495db580811180317w59a5f00jcaa08107098e5c0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1833239.baZ8uU0i2n@cedar.serverforest.com>

Knapp wrote:

> Anyway, so now I have to explain to my brother why he should love
> Gnome or else remove that update button! :-/

There IS no update button.  It annoyed the heck out of me that there 
wasn't one, but I guess there's a good reason.

To upgrade Kubuntu from 8.04 to 8.10 you need to run "adept_manager" (?) 
with an upgrade option (which seems to be gone from  8.10 - there's only 
"adept" now).
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 15:22:58 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:22:58 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
Message-ID: <6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>

Girard Henri wrote:

> and really bad atitude to believe such craps !
> 

"Craps"?  There are certainly some things wrong in there,  (And for "bad attitude", how about people who persist in top-posting.  Please stop).

>> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116

but many that aren't:

"... Dolphin, which is no where near as feature-rich as Konqueror. Why 
would someone take a feature-rich application out and replace it with an 
application which doesn't have a comparable set of features?

True.  It's getting better, but there are still quite a few things 
missing (for instance, in the detail view of Dolphin, there are only six 
possible columns - most noticeably missing for me is the name of the 
symlink target).

Kcontrol _has_ been removed (for the life of me, I can't see why he 
thinks he could do anything in it he can't do in System Settings, but he 
_is_ right that it's gone.  Perhaps he's just a little slower than me in 
realizing that much of what you saw in kcontrol is now in the "Advanced" 
tab of System Settings (it certainly took _me_ long enough to catch on).

Plasma is also seriously problematic - I'm not sure he's right that it's 
really "buggy", but very few of the plasmoids are really full 
replacements for their KDE 3.5 counterparts.  He complains about kicker 
- there's no way to autohide the panel and it can't be moved.  To me 
that's pretty serious (I worked around the moving part by creating a 
completely new one, but I still hate that a whole centimetre of my 
screen is wasted).

On the whole, I like KDE 4, but I can well understand every time 
somebody complains about the things that are missing.  A LOT of what we 
used to have is missing.

otoh, tabs in Dolphin is a silly complaint, as he can still use 
Konqueror for file browsing.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 15:43:02 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:43:02 -0400
Subject: Adept Manager crashes!
References: <ed4f31270811180354n1f06534cx5c9cfc7d3343aae9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1791879.UQIbVQLED3@cedar.serverforest.com>

316097 at gmail.com wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> When I try to run Adept it crashes, then I try to run it from a
> console, same thing happens, below is the output, can anyone help me?
> 
> [sudo] password for pierre:

Well, there you go...  DON'T use "sudo" to execute gui apps.  Use 
"kdesudo".  You're lucky it just didn't work.  Sometimes when you do 
this, it _does_ work - and then makes it impossible for you to run some 
apps as a normal user, because root has ended up owning files in your 
home directory.
-- 
derek




From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Tue Nov 18 15:45:37 2008
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:45:37 -0500
Subject: Question on find inconsistency
In-Reply-To: <200811181652.45233.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811181652.45233.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4922E321.4020903@gatech.edu>

Donn wrote:
>> find / -name *.mp4
> find is very confusing.

There's nothing confusing going on here.  find is not receiving "*.mp4".
 It's receiving a list of mp4 files in the current folder.  The shell is
expanding *.mp4 into that list.  There is nothing find could do to get
"*.mp4" as an argument; you have to quote it.

Matt Flaschen



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov 18 15:47:54 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:47:54 -0600
Subject: Staying with Hardy
In-Reply-To: <4922AF7A.2040101@drofle.com>
References: <4922AF7A.2040101@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <4922E3AA.2030501@swbell.net>

Neil Winchurst wrote:
> A liitle while ago I decided to move from Edgy Kubuntu to a more up to 
> date version. I did a backup of Edgy and then a new install of Gutsy. A 
> little tweaking was needed but it all went very well. Meanwhile I had 
> read plenty of praise for Hardy and I had the CD's so a while later I 
> installed Hardy as a dual boot with Gutsy. So some first impressions.
>
> I made a few changes.
>
> I sorted out the NumLock  problem. That is, I set it to switch NumLock 
> on automatically, then found that the  light did not show the correct 
> state of the set-up. The light was off when NumLock was on and vice 
> versa. A search in Google showed that this was a known problem and also 
> showed me how to sort it out.
>
> I prefer to double click the mouse to launch a program so I changed that 
> too.
>
> I installed Firefox (version 2) and Thunderbird. I do not like kmail for 
> email nor konqueror as a browser.
>
> I installed the Gimp.
>
> I set konqueror to be the default file manager, as I do not like Dolphin.
>
> I installed GnuCash.
>
> I use floppies for small backups. Yes, I know, still in the stone age, 
> but I find them useful to backup my accounts in GnuCash. When I tried to 
> use them in Hardy there were some problems which I eventually tracked 
> down to an error in the relevant line in fstab.
>
> The install had not found my printer properly so I added my printer and 
> made it the default.
>
> I added some more programs which I like, eg Opera, Scribus, Abiword, 
> Krusader, Kexi.
>
> Now it all seems to be going along nicely thank you.
>
> So my comments ...
>
> all this tweaking was simple enough for me, and I do not consider myself 
> to be an expert at all. However, a newbie would get a bit lost I suggest.
>   

I'm definitely not an expert but I've never had to do that much tweaking 
on any of my systems. The numlock thing was very annoying and should be 
set to on as default but was dead simple to do. Shouldn't be a problem 
for a novice. I've never seen a problem with the status light.

> I chose version two of Firefox because I have read that there are still 
> some problems with version three.
>   

I've been using FF 3 since it came out. It was a bit twitchy at first 
but is now as stable as any version before. In fact there was another 
update this morning. Went without a hitch [ so far ].

> I avoided KDE4 due to all the problems I read about in this list.
>
> I am not considering Intrepid at all as an upgrade after reading about 
> so many people who are having difficulties with it, especially KDE4. I 
> also do not like the idea of being forced to use Dolphin instead of 
> Konqueror. I thought that personal choice was one of the main reasons 
> for using Linux.
>   

I set up 8.10/4.x as a dual boot on my computer. I have to admit there 
are some things I don't care for all that much but as far as I'm 
concerned it seems to be fairly good. I expect it will get better when 
4.2 is released.  For my simple needs I could use it every day without 
difficulty but, like many, I'm sort of partial to 8.04/3.5.10.

I quite like Dolphin for most simple file management, the kind I do 
most. I've been copying a lot of my personal files from the 8.04 drive 
to the 8.10 drive and it works very smooth, very simple.

> So, I am happy so far with Hardy (Kubuntu)  and I expect to stay with it 
> for a long time to come. If it ain't broke ........
>
> Neil Winchurst
>   

I intend to keep 8.10/4.x updated and check it fairly often. BUT, I do 
expect to keep using 8.04/3.5.10 as my main OS for a while yet.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From balazs at rainstorm.org  Tue Nov 18 15:49:33 2008
From: balazs at rainstorm.org (=?utf-8?q?H=C3=A9der_Bal=C3=A1zs?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:49:33 +0100
Subject: kubuntu 8.1 + nividia 7100 GS + noise on the desktop
Message-ID: <200811181649.33606.balazs@rainstorm.org>

Hi,

I have the following problem with Kubuntu Intrepid:

After a while, which means 1-2 hours of using, my desktop becomes a bit noisy.
There will be millions of little red-yellow flecks on the wallpaper, on the
window borders and on the main panel, i.e. my desktop will be "dotted".

I'm using a PCI-Express Nvidia 7100 GS video card with built-in nvidia-glx-173
driver, but I tried with nvidia-glx-177 driver and the situation was the same.
Desktop effects are switched on, nvidia module is loaded. 

I suspect that there are some incompatibility between KDE 4.1.x and Nvidia 7100
GS, and or between new Xorg and my video card.

As if it matters: the system has been upgraded from Kubuntu Hardy.
Has anybody experienced similar behavior?

Thanks in advance,
Balázs Héder



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 15:35:57 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:35:57 -0400
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
References: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49229C2E.3040602@candt.waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <1553805.9RoYHaFc7v@cedar.serverforest.com>

alan c wrote:

> Nigel Ridley wrote:
>> I'm setting up a wireless router and want to know which works best
>> with Hardy 8.04 -- WAP or WEP?
> 
> I have just been looking into this for a friend and this is typical
> information:
> 
> Is there a new Wifi hack tool out? WEP+MAC Filter failures (2007)
> http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6132_102-0.html?forumID=32&threadID=242736&messageID=2457489

New?  WEP has _never_ been secure.  I would bet I could hack a WEP-
secured access point in an hour (provided someone is using it) - and 
that without having any of the tools currently on my system (except 
wireshark), or having tried it before.  The experts can do it in 10 
minutes or less.
-- 
derek




From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 15:52:24 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:52:24 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <4922DA65.9030101@swbell.net>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>	<1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>	<f495db580811180317w59a5f00jcaa08107098e5c0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4922DA65.9030101@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <4922E4B8.1060802@candt.waitrose.com>

Billie Walsh wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Girard Henri <girardhenri at free.fr> wrote:
>>   
>>> you are wrong : i just compiled kde4.2 and i can tell you it's really a
>>> good stuff even still in alpha
>>> i upgraded this morning alpha 9.0.4 no on itch !
>>> don't be so "morose"
>>>     
>>
>> You are a power users and know what is what. The moment you said
>> compile you jumped out of the biggest group of users, the normal
>> users.
>>
>> I have been telling my brother for 3 years that Linux is better and
>> that Kubuntu is really great and that I don't like Gnome. He just
>> decided to switch. The first think I would do would be to install
>> 8.04. The first thing my brother would do is click the upgrade button
>> because that is what he has always done in Windows. So then he will
>> come looking for my head if 8.10 does not work. I sure would not want
>> to be the person that helps 1000 new users with 8.04 that might
>> upgrade to 8.10 kubuntu.
>>
>> Anyway, so now I have to explain to my brother why he should love
>> Gnome or else remove that update button! :-/
>>
>>   
> Why not just explain to him why he shouldn't click the update button 
> just yet?

I help an ambitious, courageous user who is in the mid 80s (age). They 
own two machines, each dual boot (xp/Kubuntu).
I help with the machines when requested. With permission, I updated 
7.10 fully then set it to do a Version upgrade to 8.04.
It was a long download so I asked for it to be left on to complete, 
then it could be shut down.

The next day I talk on the phone and it appears to me that after the 
version upgrade completed, instead of clicking 'Quit', the user 
actually clicked 'Version upgrade' (New version is available!!!) and 
NOT 'Quit' as I had expected! Consequently the machine was then 
further taken from 8.04 (which was appropriate for this user) to 8.10 (!)

I cannot blame a person for doing this. They thought that QUIT was 
going to abort and loose everything.  Quit is not Finish, or 
Completed, it is Quit. This person is careful and is not a quitter! 
There is a difference between myself - I know that Quit in this 
context means 'Completed' and the hapless, courageous but innocent 
user who does not know this or its consequences.

A few years ago such an innocent user would not have got anywhere 
*near* linux, but the situation is different now. This person wants to 
use k/ubuntu, and they help me distribute leaflets when appropriate.

This debacle has meant the they are no longer using Kubuntu at all! 
Because 8.10 was reported as
'I dont like it'.

I am aware that if I been able to get to 8.04 before the innocent 
mistake, I could have used the facility (now in 8.04) to prevent 
Version Upgrade! from being so much in the face, but this is real 
life. No Kubuntu.
-- 
alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 15:31:57 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:31:57 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<49229EAF.1020607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4959244.YRbBOPLGvW@cedar.serverforest.com>

Alexander Smirnov wrote:

> yes, kde4 lack stability now. But, please, keep in mind, this is very
> beginning of kde4.

_That_ of course is the complaint.  User's are rightly ticked off that 
they got forced to endure the "very beginning of kde4".
-- 
derek




From rscrawford at mossroot.com  Tue Nov 18 15:55:55 2008
From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:55:55 -0800
Subject: No longer in the market for a new MP3 player
In-Reply-To: <200811171314.45851.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <b2bfdfd0811171006j351acf42kc016023ea42dcbd6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811171314.45851.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <200811180755.55423.rscrawford@mossroot.com>

Last night I went to Fry's and purchased a Creative Zen X-Fi player, mostly 
because the notion of having my MP3 player capable of hooking up to my wi-fi 
network amused me. It took me about an hour of hacking and Googling until my 
fingers bled but I got it working just fine and talking to Amarok without a 
hitch (I've also since learned how to sync playlists between Amarok and my 
MP3 player, which is a bonus). I'm having trouble transferring videos to the 
device, but that will come with time. It also theoretically comes with 
MicroSD support but I haven't tried that yet.

It's amazing to me that this thing is maybe 1/4 the size of my old one yet has 
more capacity and more features and cost less to boot.

Next step is to turn my old computer into a media server so that this MP3 
player has something to talk to via the WiFi network.

-- 
Slainte,
Richard S. Crawford
Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com)
Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com





From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 15:58:15 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:58:15 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <4922E617.80508@candt.waitrose.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Girard Henri wrote:
> 
>> and really bad atitude to believe such craps !
>> 
> 
> "Craps"?  There are certainly some things wrong in there,  (And for "bad attitude", how about people who persist in top-posting.  Please stop).
> 
>>> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
> 
> but many that aren't:
> 
> "... Dolphin, which is no where near as feature-rich as Konqueror. Why 
> would someone take a feature-rich application out and replace it with an 
> application which doesn't have a comparable set of features?
> 
> True.  It's getting better, but there are still quite a few things 
> missing (for instance, in the detail view of Dolphin, there are only six 
> possible columns - most noticeably missing for me is the name of the 
> symlink target).
> 
> Kcontrol _has_ been removed (for the life of me, I can't see why he 
> thinks he could do anything in it he can't do in System Settings, but he 
> _is_ right that it's gone.  Perhaps he's just a little slower than me in 
> realizing that much of what you saw in kcontrol is now in the "Advanced" 
> tab of System Settings (it certainly took _me_ long enough to catch on).
> 
> Plasma is also seriously problematic - I'm not sure he's right that it's 
> really "buggy", but very few of the plasmoids are really full 
> replacements for their KDE 3.5 counterparts.  He complains about kicker 
> - there's no way to autohide the panel and it can't be moved.  To me 
> that's pretty serious (I worked around the moving part by creating a 
> completely new one, but I still hate that a whole centimetre of my 
> screen is wasted).
> 
> On the whole, I like KDE 4, but I can well understand every time 
> somebody complains about the things that are missing.  A LOT of what we 
> used to have is missing.
> 
> otoh, tabs in Dolphin is a silly complaint, as he can still use 
> Konqueror for file browsing.

I do not disagree with your points.
However in a 'marketing' sense, is it the customer who is wrong in 
something, or is it something to do with the product not being what 
they wanted or expected or not what was sold to them, or - well, what 
was sold to them?

This relates to another comment in this thread - kubuntu being a Users 
distro  rather than a Developers distro?

Marketing has a great deal to do with how something is received.
-- 
alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Tue Nov 18 16:09:36 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:09:36 -0600
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <4922C370.40105@candt.waitrose.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<15edeae40811180506l6c4a4d50hd83c62d74d37ad5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4922C370.40105@candt.waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <4922E8C0.6040808@swbell.net>

<snip>

On 11/18/2008 alan c wrote:
>  I would like to avoid any comparison of linux with vista.
>  Mistakes by the party of the second part do not justify less mistakes
>  by the party of the first part.......
>  :-)

In some ways I'm not so sure that KDE 4.x and Vista comparisons can be 
completely avoided. This summer I bought a new, off the shelf, laptop 
that was of course pre-loaded with Vista.  [ First thing I did was dual 
boot it with 8.04 *<]:oD  ]  To the eye KDE 4.x "looks" like someone is 
trying to copy Vista. Loads of eye candy.

Personally I don't care for all the "eye candy" on either system.

>  And I really like Dolphin too, once I got used to it, and found out
>  how to use it. Although its presence took me by surprise, as did
>  kubuntu 8.10.
>  Surprises are usually bad news, and I suspect that the kde team may
>  not realise that enough.


-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.





From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 16:14:16 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:14:16 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811180814n3efb4d0dt8f6888c6d708d2dd@mail.gmail.com>

> otoh, tabs in Dolphin is a silly complaint, as he can still use
> Konqueror for file browsing.
> --
> derek

Really, I think this shows the true nature of the problem. This user
does not know that he can do that because he is just a writer or
something like that and not a hardcore KDE person like us. Back to my
montra, don't make it default until it is ready!

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From gloonie at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 16:15:16 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:15:16 -0500
Subject: I lost some movie folders, need help to find them.
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811172206r1a971e7dg749ee1ceb966e733@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>
	<9c2aabaf0811172206r1a971e7dg749ee1ceb966e733@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811181115.17165.gloonie@earthlink.net>

On Tuesday 18 November 2008 01:06:00 Michael Hirsch wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Steven Vollom
>
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > I changed the configuration on my Ktorrent program.  I created an
> > instruction so that when downloads completed they be transferred to
> > /media/sdb5/Completed Downloads.  The problem is, I meant to put them in
> > /media/sda5/CompletedDownloads.
> >
> > I have a problem with my sdb5 partition, in fact I have lots of problems
> > with the partitions on that HDD.  In any event, my computer doesn't
> > think it does exist.  I intended to place the folders in sda5 not sdb5.
> > The problem is that several movies were downloaded and Ktorrent was
> > instructed to put them in a folder that my computer doesn't think
> > exists.  They went some place, but I don't know where.  I ran a find on
> > one of the titles, but nothing came up.
> >
> > When a user screws up, do his errors just vaporize, or does the computer
> > put them some place?  And, can a person find that place?  TIA.
>
> The two tools I use for this are "locate" and "find".
>
> Locate is a database of files on your system.  If you know the name of
> the file (say it is "myfile.mp4") try running
>    locate myfile.mp4
> or, if all you remember is the .mp4 extension run
>    locate .mp4
>
> If the file is quite new it might not be in the locate database yet,
> so try using find:
>   find / -name *.mp4
> This will take a long time, and will spit out every file you have that
> ends in .mp4.
>
> Both these commands have manual pages.  Run
>    <ALT>-F2 man:find
> or
>    <ALT>-F2 man:locate
> for all the gory detail.
>
> Michael

Just a small note apropos the thread "Question on find inconsistency". Your 
example of using find needs to have the argument quoted to protect it from 
shell expansion:

find / -name '*.mp4'

Regards,

Glenn



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 16:25:43 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:25:43 +0100
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
In-Reply-To: <1553805.9RoYHaFc7v@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49229C2E.3040602@candt.waitrose.com>
	<1553805.9RoYHaFc7v@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811180825i7da3ff6q507656d4de40b656@mail.gmail.com>

WEP is as about as secure as the door knob on your house without a
lock on it. It keeps out the flies and maybe a cat that has not
learned the trick of opening door knobs like my cat did.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 17:08:36 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:08:36 -0500
Subject: SOLVED  Re: I lost some movie folders, need help to find them. SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811172206r1a971e7dg749ee1ceb966e733@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>
	<9c2aabaf0811172206r1a971e7dg749ee1ceb966e733@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4922F694.3040605@sbcglobal.net>

Michael Hirsch wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> I changed the configuration on my Ktorrent program.  I created an
>> instruction so that when downloads completed they be transferred to
>> /media/sdb5/Completed Downloads.  The problem is, I meant to put them in
>> /media/sda5/CompletedDownloads.
>>
>> I have a problem with my sdb5 partition, in fact I have lots of problems
>> with the partitions on that HDD.  In any event, my computer doesn't
>> think it does exist.  I intended to place the folders in sda5 not sdb5.
>> The problem is that several movies were downloaded and Ktorrent was
>> instructed to put them in a folder that my computer doesn't think
>> exists.  They went some place, but I don't know where.  I ran a find on
>> one of the titles, but nothing came up.
>>
>> When a user screws up, do his errors just vaporize, or does the computer
>> put them some place?  And, can a person find that place?  TIA.
>>     
>
> The two tools I use for this are "locate" and "find".
>   

> Locate is a database of files on your system.  If you know the name of
> the file (say it is "myfile.mp4") try running
>    locate myfile.mp4
> or, if all you remember is the .mp4 extension run
>    locate .mp4
>
> If the file is quite new it might not be in the locate database yet,
> so try using find:
>   find / -name *.mp4
> This will take a long time, and will spit out every file you have that
> ends in .mp4.
>
> Both these commands have manual pages.  Run
>    <ALT>-F2 man:find
> or
>    <ALT>-F2 man:locate
> for all the gory detail.
>
> Michael
>
>   
Dear Michael,

That was just terrific.  My first response for this post simply said it 
can't be done.  So rather than have it a burden on the group, I posted 
it as solved.  I am sure glad you answered my post.  I have little 
experience with the Shell; this opened a big door for me.  Many times my 
HDD fills with more data than I think should be there.  There is a lot 
of data in the locate area that is redundant, it appears.  Do you know 
if you can delete unwanted data to open up more drive space?  This 
information was hidden from me.  There must be a lot like that.  When I 
try to locate data that is redundant, will it show in locate, and can I 
eliminate the back-up or redundancy when I want?  Thanks so much.  This 
a keeper email for me, in case I forget before it becomes natural 
memory.  Steven



From erezzi.list at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 17:15:54 2008
From: erezzi.list at gmail.com (Erez Zilber)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:15:54 +0200
Subject: Bookmarks in konsole
Message-ID: <ce513bcc0811180915s21eb5b8bm6134d2aaf0c8f84b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

With the good old Kubuntu 8.04 (and KDE 3), I had a small button on
the top left end of konsole. When I did a long left mouse-button
click, it showed the list of bookmarks. When I selected one of the
bookmarks, it would open it in a new tab.

With the new KDE 4 (kubuntu 8.10), I have a button that just allows me
to open a new default shell. How can I change it to be like it was in
KDE 3?

Thanks,
Erez



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 17:24:33 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:24:33 -0500
Subject: Can't find Compiz?
In-Reply-To: <49226176.5050508@yahoo.com>
References: <492217C6.1080801@sbcglobal.net> <49226176.5050508@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4922FA51.9010008@sbcglobal.net>

Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Several months ago, when I upgraded to Hardy, I tried Compiz Fusion.  I 
>> was not very successful with it, so I removed it.  I wanted to try it 
>> again, because I am building a new computer with lots of memory and 
>> thought it could handle it better.  Nonetheless, when I installed Compiz 
>> again, and I am pretty sure it installed about a dozen packages, the 
>> only evidence I can find of it is a thing called Desktop Effects in the 
>> System choice of the Kmenu.  I clicked on the button that seemed most 
>> intensive, but I can't find anything, like configuration options or 
>> features or anything at all.  I notice that when I open or close a file, 
>> it kind of zooms in or out, but that cannot be all there is to Compiz.
>>
>> What do I do to access those features?  TIA.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>   
>>     
> I installed a few other packages, like compizconfig-settings-manager and 
> compiz-fusion-plugins-extra.  I also installed fusion-icon so I could 
> get to some settings from the task bar.  I also have a few others 
> installed.  I don't remember what was installed initially, except that 
> the settings had to be installed to get most of the fun effects.
>   
I installed the things you suggested while I am still responding to this 
email.  Do you know if they work in 64 bit.  That will be my new system, 
when I get it running on Intrepid?  Do you mind if I contact you 
directly, I have questions that don't relate to the topic but are about 
this subject?  Thanks so much.
> If you don't have an item called "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings" 
> under the Settings menu off of the K-menu, then the above settings 
> manager should probably be installed.  I'd recommend turning on the 
> desktop cube and rotate cube under Desktop, and enabling the animations 
> under Effects.  Play with some of the different minimizing, maximizing, 
> and closing animations.  You might also find the wobbly windows fun.  
> There are lots of effects to try.
>
> Make sure you have emerald installed, and choose it as your window 
> decorator using the fusion icon.   You can find lots of emerald themes 
> on the net that you can import using the emerald theme manager 
> accessible using the fusion icon.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 17:18:36 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:18:36 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4922E617.80508@candt.waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <1703145.bcgZSIa659@cedar.serverforest.com>

alan c wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> 
>> On the whole, I like KDE 4, but I can well understand every time
>> somebody complains about the things that are missing.  A LOT of what
>> we used to have is missing.
>> 
>> otoh, tabs in Dolphin is a silly complaint, as he can still use
>> Konqueror for file browsing.
> 
> I do not disagree with your points.
> However in a 'marketing' sense, is it the customer who is wrong in
> something, or is it something to do with the product not being what
> they wanted or expected or not what was sold to them, or - well, what
> was sold to them?

I assume that comment is directed specifically about my last point - so 
in this case (and _only_ this case), I have to blame the customer.  He 
was complaining that Dolphin wasn't as good as Konqueror - well I still 
never use Dolphin directly.  I _use_ konqueror, and get all the 
functionality of Dolphin thrown in in the dolphin part, so it appears 
that at least in part he's throwing up a red herring.  

I do agree that in the main, Kubuntu 8.10 is a vast failure of 
marketing.
-- 
derek




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 17:31:32 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:31:32 +0200
Subject: Adept Manager crashes!
In-Reply-To: <1791879.UQIbVQLED3@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <ed4f31270811180354n1f06534cx5c9cfc7d3343aae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1791879.UQIbVQLED3@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <4922FBF4.8000303@gmail.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> 316097 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>>
>> When I try to run Adept it crashes, then I try to run it from a
>> console, same thing happens, below is the output, can anyone help me?
>>
>> [sudo] password for pierre:
> 
> Well, there you go...  DON'T use "sudo" to execute gui apps.  Use 
> "kdesudo".  You're lucky it just didn't work.  Sometimes when you do 
> this, it _does_ work - and then makes it impossible for you to run some 
> apps as a normal user, because root has ended up owning files in your 
> home directory.

actually no. the sysmptoms you are describing, Derek, are when you run a 
GUI app from root. using "sudo su" or "sudo -i" and then running a GUI 
app. as for sudo and kdesudo, they're the same. kdesudo provides a GUI 
for entering the password, but then, it uses sudo in the backend.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 17:22:23 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:22:23 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811180814n3efb4d0dt8f6888c6d708d2dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2090218.750bLKmX0m@cedar.serverforest.com>

Knapp wrote:

>> otoh, tabs in Dolphin is a silly complaint, as he can still use
>> Konqueror for file browsing.
> 
> Really, I think this shows the true nature of the problem. This user
> does not know that he can do that because he is just a writer or
> something like that and not a hardcore KDE person like us. Back to my
> montra, don't make it default until it is ready!

No, that's not the case at all.  He's always used Konqueror.   How could 
he imagine konqueror can't browse a filesystem?  He doesn't have to know 
that it does that through a dolphin kpart, or even understand the
concept, but he can't (validly) complain about Konqueror being crippled  
without having actually _tried_ konqueror.  If he was new to KDE and 
found he didn't like Dolphin, then it might be understandable, but he's 
complaining about what he's _lost_ in konqueror - and this is something 
he hasn't lost.
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 17:37:54 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:37:54 -0500
Subject: Can't find Compiz?
In-Reply-To: <49226176.5050508@yahoo.com>
References: <492217C6.1080801@sbcglobal.net> <49226176.5050508@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4922FD72.6070908@sbcglobal.net>

Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Several months ago, when I upgraded to Hardy, I tried Compiz Fusion.  I 
>> was not very successful with it, so I removed it.  I wanted to try it 
>> again, because I am building a new computer with lots of memory and 
>> thought it could handle it better.  Nonetheless, when I installed Compiz 
>> again, and I am pretty sure it installed about a dozen packages, the 
>> only evidence I can find of it is a thing called Desktop Effects in the 
>> System choice of the Kmenu.  I clicked on the button that seemed most 
>> intensive, but I can't find anything, like configuration options or 
>> features or anything at all.  I notice that when I open or close a file, 
>> it kind of zooms in or out, but that cannot be all there is to Compiz.
>>
>> What do I do to access those features?  TIA.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>   
>>     
> I installed a few other packages, like compizconfig-settings-manager and 
> compiz-fusion-plugins-extra.  I also installed fusion-icon so I could 
> get to some settings from the task bar.  I also have a few others 
> installed.  I don't remember what was installed initially, except that 
> the settings had to be installed to get most of the fun effects.
>
> If you don't have an item called "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings" 
> under the Settings menu off of the K-menu, then the above settings 
> manager should probably be installed.  I'd recommend turning on the 
> desktop cube and rotate cube under Desktop, and enabling the animations 
> under Effects.  Play with some of the different minimizing, maximizing, 
> and closing animations.  You might also find the wobbly windows fun.  
> There are lots of effects to try.
>
> Make sure you have emerald installed, and choose it as your window 
> decorator using the fusion icon.   You can find lots of emerald themes 
> on the net that you can import using the emerald theme manager 
> accessible using the fusion icon.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   
Dear Paul,
I must have more than 20 packages installed that relate to Compiz.  On 
Kmenu - System, Compiz Fusion Icon & Desktop Effects are the only 
shown.  I checked the other items on Kmenu; they don't show anywhere.  
When I installed Compiz, perhaps a dozen packages were included.  After 
responding to your email, and additional 8 were installed.  I can only 
find two, and when I click on the Compiz Fusion Icon, nothing loads.

Emerald is installed and libemeraldengine0 is installed.  They don't 
show up on the menu either.  Any Ideas?



From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 17:25:45 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:25:45 -0400
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
References: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49229C2E.3040602@candt.waitrose.com>
	<1553805.9RoYHaFc7v@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<f495db580811180825i7da3ff6q507656d4de40b656@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8672494.ELN2zo9Fol@cedar.serverforest.com>

Knapp wrote:

> WEP is as about as secure as the door knob on your house without a
> lock on it. It keeps out the flies and maybe a cat that has not
> learned the trick of opening door knobs like my cat did.

Yeah, I'm afraid that day's coming.  My front door opens outwards, and 
has a lever access.  One of these days kitty will figure it out...  My 
sister's two cats used to cooperate - one would dangle from the knob, 
while another would try to pry the door open.
-- 
derek




From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 17:55:48 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:55:48 +0200
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
In-Reply-To: <200811181519.36245.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811181519.36245.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <200811181955.49108.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

On Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:19:36 David Fletcher wrote:
> IP address you should be able to get something called an MX record to
> direct email directly into your server.
Taking notes... note 1!

> You will then need to get postfix to sort your incoming mail into user mail
> boxes. This again is outside my experience but you might like to read up on
> mail aliases or maybe procmail.
Thanks - postfix can handle incoming mail -- this is news. note 2.

> Try dovecot. 
Thanks.

> Be very, VERY careful about accepting mail from outside for forwarding.
> Don't be an open relay.
A few more grains of gold. I had no idea what an 'open replay' was but this is 
note3.

Many thanks, I still need some more info, but will monitor the thread.

\d



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 17:57:35 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:57:35 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <4922C0F1.2010807@candt.waitrose.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>	<1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>
	<4922C0F1.2010807@candt.waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <4923020F.7030707@sbcglobal.net>

alan c wrote:
> Girard Henri wrote:
>   
>> you are wrong : i just compiled kde4.2 and i can tell you it's really a
>> good stuff even still in alpha
>> i upgraded this morning alpha 9.0.4 no on itch !
>> don't be so "morose"
>>     
>
> I do not deny there is lots of really good stuff in it. I like some 
> things in kubuntu 8.10. It is a quite brilliant approach and in some 
> ways it is a joy to use.
>
> However, firstly the newcomers are faced not with a new compile, but 
> with the live CD which is frozen in time, secondly some things are 
> uncomfortable to live with such as the login backgrounds, the K menu 
> animations. It also is missing the disks and filesystems facility 
> which I happen to use, maybe others I have not yet looked.
>
> Newcomers are also very likely to be confused by Widgets, however good 
> they are. I certainly was confused at first.
>
>   
>>> I do hope I am wrong.
>>>       
>
> maybe time will tell
>   
I too like Disk&Filesystems.  I returned to Hardy because of that one 
feature.  I am too new at Linux to be without it.  If I could learn how 
to do the same things using KDE 4 I would return.  In fact, I am 
returning soon, but only because I am building a 64 bit system.

Steven



From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 17:59:52 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:59:52 +0200
Subject: Question on find inconsistency
In-Reply-To: <4922E321.4020903@gatech.edu>
References: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811181652.45233.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<4922E321.4020903@gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <200811181959.52430.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

On Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:45:37 Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> There's nothing confusing going on here.
Oh I gathered the globbing thing (but forgot to mention it) -- it's just I 
find find confusing. And yes, I have found find finding flabbergasting :)

\d



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 18:12:38 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:12:38 -0500
Subject: executable on a thumb drive
In-Reply-To: <6558147.mIUxtemvRf@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811180102.46806.pandarsson@yahoo.com>	<15edeae40811180514mc9dad2ewf8b5166b3830016e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6558147.mIUxtemvRf@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <49230596.9050003@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Willy Hamra wrote:
>
>   
>> 2008/11/18 Constantinos Maltezos <pandarsson at yahoo.com>:
>>     
>>> I recently tried to install a Linux program (Writer's Cafe) onto one
>>> of my
>>> thumb drives.  The thumb drive is, of course, formatted to vfat,
>>> which makes every file executable.  
>>>       
>
> Not really.
>
>   
>> i'm not sure about this, or what exactly is the option needed, but
>> could it be an executable mount option? give mount an option to allow
>> executables on this device? maybe put this option in fstab?
>>     
>
> Indeed.  Removable media are generally _not_ executable (I've never quit 
> figured out why):
>
> $ mount | grep scd0
> /dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 
> (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=derek)
>   
You guys are really over my head, but does the preceding code 
automatically make things you save on CD'c, DVD's, Thumb Drives, 
executable?  Do you have to re-enter the code each time or is it 
permanently established?  This is probably a stupid question, but there 
are times I have copied something that I would prefer it to open 
automatically rather than having the Click Step.  Thanks.  Hope it not 
changing the subject.
> Mount with the "exec" option (I'm _sure_ you can do that on a per-device 
> basis, but I can't remember how, short of editing the hal .fdi files).
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 18:36:11 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:36:11 -0500
Subject: I lost some movie folders, need help to find them.
In-Reply-To: <200811181115.17165.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>	<9c2aabaf0811172206r1a971e7dg749ee1ceb966e733@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811181115.17165.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <49230B1B.20903@sbcglobal.net>

Glenn R Williams wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 01:06:00 Michael Hirsch wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Steven Vollom
>>
>> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>     
>>> I changed the configuration on my Ktorrent program.  I created an
>>> instruction so that when downloads completed they be transferred to
>>> /media/sdb5/Completed Downloads.  The problem is, I meant to put them in
>>> /media/sda5/CompletedDownloads.
>>>
>>> I have a problem with my sdb5 partition, in fact I have lots of problems
>>> with the partitions on that HDD.  In any event, my computer doesn't
>>> think it does exist.  I intended to place the folders in sda5 not sdb5.
>>> The problem is that several movies were downloaded and Ktorrent was
>>> instructed to put them in a folder that my computer doesn't think
>>> exists.  They went some place, but I don't know where.  I ran a find on
>>> one of the titles, but nothing came up.
>>>
>>> When a user screws up, do his errors just vaporize, or does the computer
>>> put them some place?  And, can a person find that place?  TIA.
>>>       
>> The two tools I use for this are "locate" and "find".
>>
>> Locate is a database of files on your system.  If you know the name of
>> the file (say it is "myfile.mp4") try running
>>    locate myfile.mp4
>> or, if all you remember is the .mp4 extension run
>>    locate .mp4
>>
>> If the file is quite new it might not be in the locate database yet,
>> so try using find:
>>   find / -name *.mp4
>> This will take a long time, and will spit out every file you have that
>> ends in .mp4.
>>
>> Both these commands have manual pages.  Run
>>    <ALT>-F2 man:find
>> or
>>    <ALT>-F2 man:locate
>> for all the gory detail.
>>
>> Michael
>>     
>
> Just a small note apropos the thread "Question on find inconsistency". Your 
> example of using find _needs to have the argument quoted_ to protect it from 
> shell expansion:
>   
In your comment the underline.  I know I should know, but I don't know 
the language.  Which part would be the argument?  What is protecting it 
from shell expansion and why is that bad?
Thanks!    Steven
> find / -name '*.mp4'
>
> Regards,
>
> Glenn
>
>   




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 18:34:22 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:34:22 -0400
Subject: Question on find inconsistency
References: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811181652.45233.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<4922E321.4020903@gatech.edu>
	<200811181959.52430.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24090919.RcStyKVNor@cedar.serverforest.com>

Donn wrote:

> On Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:45:37 Matthew Flaschen wrote:
>> There's nothing confusing going on here.
> Oh I gathered the globbing thing (but forgot to mention it) -- it's
> just I find find confusing. And yes, I have found find finding
> flabbergasting :)

I've been using Linux for 10 years, unix for longer, and I still 
practically never use find.  I agree it's very confusing.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 18:41:39 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:41:39 -0400
Subject: Adept Manager crashes!
References: <ed4f31270811180354n1f06534cx5c9cfc7d3343aae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1791879.UQIbVQLED3@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4922FBF4.8000303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2016935.vXtNL9sQVx@cedar.serverforest.com>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> 316097 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> When I try to run Adept it crashes, then I try to run it from a
>>> console, same thing happens, below is the output, can anyone help
>>> me?
>>>
>>> [sudo] password for pierre:
>> 
>> Well, there you go...  DON'T use "sudo" to execute gui apps.  Use
>> "kdesudo".  You're lucky it just didn't work.  Sometimes when you do
>> this, it _does_ work - and then makes it impossible for you to run
>> some apps as a normal user, because root has ended up owning files in
>> your home directory.
> 
> actually no. the sysmptoms you are describing, Derek, are when you run
> a GUI app from root. using "sudo su" or "sudo -i" and then running a

Actually, no.  This can happen _whenever_ you use sudo.  In fact, I'd 
expect it to be less of a problem using "sudo su" or "sudo -i" because 
those are login environments - they know where their home directory 
belongs.  "sudo app" runs _as_ root, but with _your_ environment.

> GUI app. as for sudo and kdesudo, they're the same. kdesudo provides a
> GUI for entering the password, but then, it uses sudo in the backend.
 
Yes it does.  Nevertheless, "sudo" frequently misbehaves when presented 
with a gui app.  Consider, "sudo program" starts "sudo", then the 
program.  "kdesudo program" starts "a" gui app (not "program") _before_ 
running sudo - which gives it a chance to get the $DISPLAY and any other 
information X needs, because generally "sudo" can't access your 
$DISPLAY.
-- 
derek




From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 18:54:23 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:54:23 +0200
Subject: Question on find inconsistency
In-Reply-To: <24090919.RcStyKVNor@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811181959.52430.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<24090919.RcStyKVNor@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811182054.23607.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

On Tuesday, 18 November 2008 20:34:22 Derek Broughton wrote:
> I agree it's very confusing.
By gosh! I am glad I am not alone in this.

I prefer locate and then grepping through the results. Even if locate db is 
not always the latest.


\d



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Tue Nov 18 18:59:42 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:59:42 +0100
Subject: intrepid and vmware server 2
In-Reply-To: <256f4e900811171534y23933315w1d9ce09eb34e20c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256f4e900811171534y23933315w1d9ce09eb34e20c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gfv3au$4ps$1@ger.gmane.org>

D. R. Evans wrote:
> Does anyone have any detailed instructions as to how to get vmware 
> server 2 working with intrepid?
> 
> I have used vmware ever since they stopped charging for it, and I've 
> never really had any problems with it under Linux. But blowed if I can 
> figure out how to make it work with intrepid. VMware seem to have 
> changed everything, so that nothing is recognisable any more. I've 
> managed to copy a virtual machine over from my hardy installation, but 
> when I power up I expect to see the virtual machine boot up, but all 
> that sems to happen is that a status message in their fancy-dancy new 
> web interface tells me that the machine is powered up. But I can't see 
> anything. Maybe I have to install something they call "remote console" 
> (although I have no idea why I would need to install something 
> separately if it's mandatory to see the virtual machine )... but when I 
> follow the instructions it just says "follow the instructions", which is 
> hardly useful (Yes, you did read that right: the instructions appear to 
> be "follow the instructions").
> 
> Anyway, I *have* to have vmware for my work, and if I can't get it 
> working soon I'll have to ditch intrepid and just keep using the old 
> hardy system.
> 
>   Doc
> 
> 
> 
This has nothing to do with intrepid but with vmware. VMware Server 2 
ditched the remote console in favour of a webinterface that is hardly 
useable when you are looking for a free as in beer vmware workstation 
replacement.

It is more like a small esx server has been, just a server, not a 
workstation. If you want to have vmware workstation for free, Sun 
Virtualbox is the best replacement you can get.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 18:54:31 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:54:31 -0400
Subject: executable on a thumb drive
References: <200811180102.46806.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<15edeae40811180514mc9dad2ewf8b5166b3830016e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6558147.mIUxtemvRf@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<49230596.9050003@sbcglobal.net>
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Steven Vollom wrote:

> You guys are really over my head, but does the preceding code
> automatically make things you save on CD'c, DVD's, Thumb Drives,
> executable?  

No.  Read the Man page.  Not only wpn't I do everything for you, I can't 
- I have just about got _a_ clue how you would go about setting "exec" 
on an automounted device.
-- 
derek




From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 19:01:37 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:01:37 +0000
Subject: kubuntu 8.10 kwin crash
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811180619u7055650doed540a9c68303e26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4922A759.7010301@gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811180619u7055650doed540a9c68303e26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49231111.5010507@gmail.com>

Jonas Norlander said the following on 18/11/08 14:19:

> You could check ~/.xsession-errors
Good point. Should have thought about that myself! :) Thanks.

---8<----------------------------------------------------------------
session: X session started for hakan at Tue Nov 18 18:52:12 GMT 2008
Setting IM through im-switch for locale=en_GB.
Start IM through /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/all_ALL linked to
/etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default.
kdostartupconfig4(5891) main: Running kdostartupconfig.
startkde: Starting up...
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kded4
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4
kbuildsycoca4 running...
kbuildsycoca4(5932) kdemain: Reusing existing ksycoca
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kconf_update
kded(5930): Communication problem with  "kded" , it probably crashed.
Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did
not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the r
emote application did not send a reply, the message bus security
policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired,
 or the network connection was broken." "

kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kcminit_startup
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/ksmserver
<unknown program name>(5928)/ KStartupInfo::createNewStartupId:
creating:  "minotaur;1227034359;137848;5928_TIME0" :
"unnamed app"
kded(5931): "KLauncher could not be reached via D-Bus. Error when
calling kdeinit_exec_wait:
empty
"
---8<----------------------------------------------------------------

And it goes downhill from there.
I'll dig a bit in about what's going wrong with kded.
If anyone have any suggestions, all welcome.

Cheers




From news at pointerstop.ca  Tue Nov 18 18:56:05 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:56:05 -0400
Subject: I lost some movie folders, need help to find them.
References: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>
	<9c2aabaf0811172206r1a971e7dg749ee1ceb966e733@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811181115.17165.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<49230B1B.20903@sbcglobal.net>
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Steven Vollom wrote:

> I don't know
> the language.  Which part would be the argument?  What is protecting
> it from shell expansion and why is that bad?

It's not bad - it's necessary.  man bash
-- 
derek




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 19:51:24 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:51:24 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <4923020F.7030707@sbcglobal.net>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com> <1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>
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> I too like Disk&Filesystems.  I returned to Hardy because of that one
> feature.  I am too new at Linux to be without it.  If I could learn how
> to do the same things using KDE 4 I would return.  In fact, I am
> returning soon, but only because I am building a 64 bit system.
>
> Steven

You lost me, what does 64 bit have to do with KDE4? I run 64 bit 8.04
KDE3 and see no reason to move yet.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 19:52:18 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:52:18 +0100
Subject: Wireless router - WAP or WEP?
In-Reply-To: <8672494.ELN2zo9Fol@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <4922991A.8040506@prayingforisrael.net>
	<49229C2E.3040602@candt.waitrose.com>
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>
>> WEP is as about as secure as the door knob on your house without a
>> lock on it. It keeps out the flies and maybe a cat that has not
>> learned the trick of opening door knobs like my cat did.
>
> Yeah, I'm afraid that day's coming.  My front door opens outwards, and
> has a lever access.  One of these days kitty will figure it out...  My
> sister's two cats used to cooperate - one would dangle from the knob,
> while another would try to pry the door open.
> --
> derek

LOL!!!



-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From rick_knight at rlknight.com  Tue Nov 18 19:53:48 2008
From: rick_knight at rlknight.com (Rick Knight)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:53:48 -0800
Subject: PulseAudio question
Message-ID: <49231D4C.6090504@rlknight.com>

What's the best way to start PulseAudio at logon? I don't log out of my 
pc very often but when I do and then logon again, I forget to start 
PulseAudio.

Thanks,
Rick



From dave at thefletchers.net  Tue Nov 18 20:11:25 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:11:25 +0000
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
In-Reply-To: <200811181955.49108.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811181519.36245.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<200811181955.49108.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811182011.31040.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Tuesday 18 Nov 2008, Donn wrote:
> 
> Many thanks, I still need some more info, but will monitor the thread.
> 

I've got some notes and example configs from playing around with the lab rat. 
I'm happy of course to pass on what I've learnt. Tell us what you're trying 
to do first, and we'll do our best to help. There's no one application for 
implementing a mail server - it's put together from whatever bits and pieces 
you like best.

Like I said earlier, I'm now trying to set everything up without using WebMin. 
The bit that WebMin helped me most with, is setting up the firewall with 
iptables. Be careful, very careful, with firewalls. It's easy to lock 
yourself out of your own server. You wouldn't be the first to do it.

Dave


-- 

Registered Linux user number 393408

I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1
For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit:
http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 20:12:17 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:12:17 +0200
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
> planning and poor thinking.
> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
>

The author is an idiot lets take a typical example from his rant:
"""Secondly, the developers who wrote the application should know
their code, and if they know their code then they know where all the
bugs are. If they don't know where all of the bugs are then they have
no business writing software for the public."""

Should I start picking that statement apart? The rest of his rant is
likewise worthless.

I should mention that his comments regarding KDE 4.0 (not KDE 4 in
general) would be valid had mentioned them for the right reason. But
since he cannot be bothered to read the kde.org homepage, he picked
the wrong reasons.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 20:23:18 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:23:18 +0000
Subject: kubuntu 8.10 kwin crash
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811180619u7055650doed540a9c68303e26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4922A759.7010301@gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811180619u7055650doed540a9c68303e26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49232436.3000202@gmail.com>

Jonas Norlander said the following on 18/11/08 14:19:
> 2008/11/18 Hakan Koseoglu <hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com>:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As soon as the kwin start, it crashes w/o any visible errors
>> and X restarts.

OK, this appears to be a bug (feature?) in
xserver-xorg-video-openchrome and KDE 4.1.

I'll put in how I worked around the problem, just in case someone
googles for it.

KDE 4.1 on 8.10 tries to turn the hardware acceleration and promptly
crashes. No useful information is logged in Xorg log nor
.xsession-errors but the dmesg contains this helpful message:

[ 1557.504914] agpgart-amd64 0000:00:00.0: AGP 3.5 bridge
[ 1557.504981] agpgart-amd64 0000:00:00.0: putting AGP V3 device
into 8x mode
[ 1557.505141] pci 0000:01:00.0: putting AGP V3 device into 8x mode
[ 1566.298753] [drm:via_verify_command_stream] *ERROR* Accelerated
3D is not supported on this chipset yet.

Since 3D is not supported, instead of continuing w/o bothering with
it, KDE 4.1 stops loading and promptly crashes and exists.

Gdb and valgrind weren't much help.

Solution is working around the hardware acceleration by
creating a xorg.conf and adding the following option to the device
entry:
        Option      "NoAccel" "True"

The specific controller that has the "bug" is this:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.
K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] (rev 11)

I'm not sure if this is a bug. Should I raise it or just leave it?

Now, the next I shall tackle, why does Thunderbird insists on
wrapping this mail even though I told it not to... :)



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 20:24:40 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:24:40 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811181224y659de1a1w628c39afa3159b7c@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/18 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
>> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
>> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
>> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
>> planning and poor thinking.
>> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
>>
>
> The author is an idiot lets take a typical example from his rant:
> """Secondly, the developers who wrote the application should know
> their code, and if they know their code then they know where all the
> bugs are. If they don't know where all of the bugs are then they have
> no business writing software for the public."""
>
> Should I start picking that statement apart? The rest of his rant is
> likewise worthless.
> --
> Dotan Cohen

I have to disagree with you. I know when I write bugs in my software,
I always write down their locations!
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 18 20:26:39 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:26:39 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 18 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Kcontrol _has_ been removed (for the life of me, I can't
> see why he thinks he could do anything in it he can't do
> in System Settings, but he _is_ right that it's gone.
>  Perhaps he's just a little slower than me in realizing
> that much of what you saw in kcontrol is now in the
> "Advanced" tab of System Settings (it certainly took _me_
> long enough to catch on).


I'm just in the process of setting up 8.04 and one thing I 
really never liked is KWallet. I looked at all the options 
of System Settings and could not find where to turn it off.
So I ran KControl and knew immediately where to go to turn 
this off. This is the kind of thing that p****es off users 
like me having to waste time trying to find out where 
something has been moved to.

nepal.

hehe, now to see if this email is actually working or not.



From jonorland at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 20:28:13 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:28:13 +0100
Subject: Question on find inconsistency
In-Reply-To: <24090919.RcStyKVNor@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811181652.45233.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<4922E321.4020903@gatech.edu>
	<200811181959.52430.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<24090919.RcStyKVNor@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811181228i4b0444edy6e9d275af0d1dac3@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> Donn wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:45:37 Matthew Flaschen wrote:
>>> There's nothing confusing going on here.
>> Oh I gathered the globbing thing (but forgot to mention it) -- it's
>> just I find find confusing. And yes, I have found find finding
>> flabbergasting :)
>
> I've been using Linux for 10 years, unix for longer, and I still
> practically never use find.  I agree it's very confusing.
> --
> derek
>

Yeah it's one of those old tools from ages like sed and dd with really
stupid parameters. Before GNU and there "standard" syntax.

/ Jonas



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Tue Nov 18 20:38:30 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:38:30 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492327C6.6080201@yahoo.it>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/18 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
>> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
>> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
>> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
>> planning and poor thinking.
>> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
>>
> 
> The author is an idiot lets take a typical example from his rant:
> """Secondly, the developers who wrote the application should know
> their code, and if they know their code then they know where all the
> bugs are. If they don't know where all of the bugs are then they have
> no business writing software for the public."""
> 

Eheh actually I find this almost exhilarating, it's the perfect joke. It 
is so meaningless, programmerwise (does such a word exist?), that it is 
on the same level as:
How many programmers do you need to change a bulb?
Two, one to change the bulb and one to file the bug report.

Admitting for one second the possibility that he's right, he just 
discovered the greatest conspiracy of all times. ALL us programmers are 
taught to plant bugs and keep them well hidden, because that serves some 
hidden purpose which will not be revealed until dead pixels will appear 
in the sky...

Oh dear I've said too much... must run now... :P
I.





From eqisow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 20:46:47 2008
From: eqisow at gmail.com (Justin)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:46:47 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <b6c687af0811181246t49999de7ubbf971f1b9dd00a6@mail.gmail.com>

The problem, imo, is and has always been Kubuntu's mediocre implementation
of KDE. As far as Canonical is concerned, KDE is the readheaded stepchild.
It simply doesn't get the same level of attention as Gnome.

Also, what you have to keep in mind is that while Canonical may be releasing
commercial software, the KDE team is not. You don't wait and release
software when it's "finished," you play with your cards on the table and let
your users help and guide the creation process. If you don't have the time
or inclination to do that, fine. The KDE team has been very clear about what
KDE4 is and what users should expect. That, plus the fact that the KDE 3.5
series is still being maintained means you have nothing to complain to the
KDE team about.

Perhaps the Kubuntu team should have left 3.5 as the default or, like Suse,
made it an option at install time. That, however, is a failure of Canonical
and the Kubuntu team and is not "the fall of KDE."

KDE4 is an overhaul of a HUGE piece of software. Given the total time in
development it is my opinion that KDE 4.1.3 is a titanic accomplishment and
will surely become something great.

-Justin Newman

P.S. - I find it somewhat ironic that, so far, the best KDE4 distros ahve
been the ones that simply use vanilla KDE.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM, nepal google <nepal.roade at googlemail.com>wrote:

> On Tuesday 18 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> > Kcontrol _has_ been removed (for the life of me, I can't
> > see why he thinks he could do anything in it he can't do
> > in System Settings, but he _is_ right that it's gone.
> >  Perhaps he's just a little slower than me in realizing
> > that much of what you saw in kcontrol is now in the
> > "Advanced" tab of System Settings (it certainly took _me_
> > long enough to catch on).
>
>
> I'm just in the process of setting up 8.04 and one thing I
> really never liked is KWallet. I looked at all the options
> of System Settings and could not find where to turn it off.
> So I ran KControl and knew immediately where to go to turn
> this off. This is the kind of thing that p****es off users
> like me having to waste time trying to find out where
> something has been moved to.
>
> nepal.
>
> hehe, now to see if this email is actually working or not.
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 20:59:14 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:59:14 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811181151m6f20fe3et404f4c76a7df15bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>
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Knapp wrote:
>> I too like Disk&Filesystems.  I returned to Hardy because of that one
>> feature.  I am too new at Linux to be without it.  If I could learn how
>> to do the same things using KDE 4 I would return.  In fact, I am
>> returning soon, but only because I am building a 64 bit system.
>>
>> Steven
>>     
>
> You lost me, what does 64 bit have to do with KDE4? I run 64 bit 8.04
> KDE3 and see no reason to move yet.
>   
It isn't KDE 4 that I am interested in, it is Intrepid 64.

I am told that Intrepid has fixed many of the 64 bit problems, is easier 
to install, and was designed more 64 bit friendly.  I don't know, but I 
just keep reading the posts, and it seemed the best idea.  Do you 
disagree with a good reason?  I expect I will use Intrepid eventually.  
My new system is not highest technology but lightyears past my current.  
The new system is on an ASUS Mempipe Motherboard, the Processor is an 
AMD Phenom 9600 BE Quad Core, Hard drive is sata.  You can put 4 
advanced video cards on the motherboard and have them all work 
together.  I have 8gb of ECC DDR2, which is slow by today's standards, 
however that's what I have.  Basically, I want to take advantage of all 
the great capabilities of the new equipment, and I have been told 
Intrepid 64 bit is much better than Hardy 64 bit.  Do you know 
different?  I have never had such fine equipment; it will be great to 
click and not have to wait on everything.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 21:11:09 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:11:09 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
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References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>
	<1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>	<4922C0F1.2010807@candt.waitrose.com>
	<4923020F.7030707@sbcglobal.net>
	<f495db580811181151m6f20fe3et404f4c76a7df15bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49232F6D.5030502@sbcglobal.net>

Knapp wrote:
>> I too like Disk&Filesystems.  I returned to Hardy because of that one
>> feature.  I am too new at Linux to be without it.  If I could learn how
>> to do the same things using KDE 4 I would return.  In fact, I am
>> returning soon, but only because I am building a 64 bit system.
>>
>> Steven
>>     
>
> You lost me, what does 64 bit have to do with KDE4? I run 64 bit 8.04
> KDE3 and see no reason to move yet.
>   
Intrepid is what I am interested in, not KDE4.  I was told that Intrepid 
is far improved in their 64 bit technology.  That is where I am going; 
that is what I would like to understand.  I will have to learn KDE4 
eventually anyway, because I prefer KDE over Gnome (another great 
Desktop). 

Eventually they work things out so people rave about what they complain 
about now.  From Feisty to Gutsy, I grumbled a bit.  From Gutsy to 
Hardy, I grumbled a bit, but after a while I loved the change.  I expect 
that will happen in KDE 4 too. 

The developers are a lot smarter than me.  They have a plan for change.  
I have noticed that after I learn a new situation, I pretty much stop 
comparing it with the former version.  Usually the changes are better 
and the features I give up are still available, just in a little 
different way.  Shoot, I get all this stuff free; I can't complain about 
anything.  If asked, I will give an opinion, but if not asked, I will 
just use the new free stuff until I know how it works.  Then I will make 
a decision of whether to use it or not.  But I will never complain.  
It's free.  Someone is breaking their back to make it better, and for a 
nothing like me.  I love them.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 18 21:25:12 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:25:12 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
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nepal google wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
>   
>> Kcontrol _has_ been removed (for the life of me, I can't
>> see why he thinks he could do anything in it he can't do
>> in System Settings, but he _is_ right that it's gone.
>>  Perhaps he's just a little slower than me in realizing
>> that much of what you saw in kcontrol is now in the
>> "Advanced" tab of System Settings (it certainly took _me_
>> long enough to catch on).
>>     
>
>
> I'm just in the process of setting up 8.04 and one thing I 
> really never liked is KWallet. I looked at all the options 
> of System Settings and could not find where to turn it off.
> So I ran KControl and knew immediately where to go to turn 
> this off. This is the kind of thing that p****es off users 
> like me having to waste time trying to find out where 
> something has been moved to.
>
> nepal.
>
> hehe, now to see if this email is actually working or not.
>
>   
Me too, Nepal.  But I just haven't taken the time to understand 
Kwallet.  I just uninstalled it when I configured this installation.  
But I think I want to know the benefit.  If it is just a bunch more 
mouse clicks, I don't want it either.  If it requires a more secure 
password to make it safer, I am not sure I want to have to type in an 
increasingly more difficult password all the time.  I have one that is 
37 characters, all mixed up and senseless, but when I am in a hurry, I 
make mistakes and have to reenter too many times.  Learning the benefits 
of Kwallet just hasn't come to the top for priorities for me.  I have 
more important things to learn in Linux and KDE and the such, to worry 
about my personal security.  Anyone wanting to take my bank funds has 
about 2 seconds to enter that account when it has money, cause what 
comes in, goes out in about 2 seconds.  Then there usually isn't enough 
to steal, unless you are willing to work for 2 cents an hour to get what 
I have.



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 21:29:43 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:29:43 -0500
Subject: Just when I was starting to be OK with KDE 4...
Message-ID: <200811181629.50436.art.alexion@gmail.com>

I was informed that the 8.04 KDE4 ppa was not going to be maintained much 
more.

I use kpf in kde3 to publish a status list of what I have in the pipeline at 
our office.  (I just keep the list in basket and export it to html 
periodically).

kpf is being replaced in kde4 by kepas.  If it works, kepas has all of the 
functionality of kpf and a lot more.  I have been testing kde4's progress 
with the hardy ppa, and it is much improved, even over the October release of 
Intrepid.

But I can't test kepas in 8.04.  Why, because the version in the ppa repo is 
incompatible with 4.1.2, and wants to downgrade kde to 4.0.5.  I filed a bug.

The response was "Confirmed", but the maintainer told me they were no longer 
going to maintain the ppa with updates, and I should switch to 8.10.

Now I have stopped complaining about the default being kde4 before it is 
ready, and I am just testing kde4 in hardy until it feels ready to upgrade.  
Now, not only is kubuntu 8.10 released with an immature kde, but I can no 
longer test the "beta" kde4 in 8.04.  

I simply don't know what's going on.  The devs seem to have thumbed their 
noses at regular users with their 8.10 decisions, and now they tell me I 
can't do what everyone defending the 8.10 decision tells me to do — stick 
with 8.04 and test until ready.  What a PR debacle for Open Source and Linux.
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 21:34:47 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:34:47 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <b6c687af0811181246t49999de7ubbf971f1b9dd00a6@mail.gmail.com>
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> Perhaps the Kubuntu team should have left 3.5 as the default or, like Suse,
> made it an option at install time. That, however, is a failure of Canonical
> and the Kubuntu team and is not "the fall of KDE."
>
> -Justin Newman

Anytime you end up on the front page of a major portal (Google) with
this sort of publicity ,even if the story is wrong, you have fallen.
In this case the wrongness is contested by many.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 21:36:57 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:36:57 +0200
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811181224y659de1a1w628c39afa3159b7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811181224y659de1a1w628c39afa3159b7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49233579.50902@gmail.com>

Knapp wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2008/11/18 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>>> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
>>> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
>>> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
>>> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
>>> planning and poor thinking.
>>> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
>>>
>> The author is an idiot lets take a typical example from his rant:
>> """Secondly, the developers who wrote the application should know
>> their code, and if they know their code then they know where all the
>> bugs are. If they don't know where all of the bugs are then they have
>> no business writing software for the public."""
>>
>> Should I start picking that statement apart? The rest of his rant is
>> likewise worthless.
>> --
>> Dotan Cohen
> 
> I have to disagree with you. I know when I write bugs in my software,
> I always write down their locations!

now tell me this. how many bugs have you wrote that you weren't aware of 
them?
that's really silly. there are tons of bugs in every software, and most 
of them are bugs the developer isn't aware of. it gets even worse with 
software as huge as a Desktop Environment, since you'll also be 
subjected to different behaviour on different hardware! do you expect 
the KDE dev team to try every single hardware configuration available?
i really agree with Dotan here, the author *is* an idiot, and KDE 4.1 is 
not very buggy. there's a whole difference between feature-lacking 
software, and buggy software! KDE 4.1 is lacking features, that doesn't 
make it buggy. i'm not saying it's bugless, but it's not that aweful as 
well. so far, i get a program crash about once every 3 days, which is 
just a program crashing, and funnily, i's a non-KDE app crashing, as for 
a system crash, or plasma system crash, or any major crash, i haven't 
seen any from the days of alpha4.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 21:40:48 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:40:48 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
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References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
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> It isn't KDE 4 that I am interested in, it is Intrepid 64.
>
> I am told that Intrepid has fixed many of the 64 bit problems, is easier
> to install, and was designed more 64 bit friendly.  I don't know, but I
> just keep reading the posts, and it seemed the best idea.  Do you
> disagree with a good reason?
>
> Steven
>
I don't run Intrepid and don't plan to unless I hear of some great
improvements in KDE4, so I can't talk about how good it is with 64
bit.
I do run 8.04 64 bit and I have no problems at all, so how can you
improve that? Maybe they have Firefox full 64 bit now with the new
adobe 64 bit flash player? I have both (32 and 64 bit) installed from
the repository (At least I think that is where I got them from?) with
no problems.

PS Did you get it running yet? Hope you do soon! Sounds like a fun project.


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 21:43:00 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:43:00 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <49233579.50902@gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811181224y659de1a1w628c39afa3159b7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<49233579.50902@gmail.com>
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>> I have to disagree with you. I know when I write bugs in my software,
>> I always write down their locations!
>
> now tell me this. how many bugs have you wrote that you weren't aware of
> them?
> that's really silly. there are tons of bugs in every software, and most of
> them are bugs the developer isn't aware of. it gets even worse with software
> as huge as a Desktop Environment, since you'll also be subjected to
> different behaviour on different hardware! do you expect the KDE dev team to
> try every single hardware configuration available?
> i really agree with Dotan here, the author *is* an idiot, and KDE 4.1 is not
> very buggy. there's a whole difference between feature-lacking software, and
> buggy software! KDE 4.1 is lacking features, that doesn't make it buggy. i'm
> not saying it's bugless, but it's not that aweful as well. so far, i get a
> program crash about once every 3 days, which is just a program crashing, and
> funnily, i's a non-KDE app crashing, as for a system crash, or plasma system
> crash, or any major crash, i haven't seen any from the days of alpha4.
>
> --
> Willy K. Hamra

Sorry, it was a joke. All the bugs I have written were undocumented features.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From manuel at mclure.org  Tue Nov 18 21:44:49 2008
From: manuel at mclure.org (Manuel McLure)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:44:49 -0800
Subject: Just when I was starting to be OK with KDE 4...
In-Reply-To: <200811181629.50436.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811181629.50436.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b2fd9c60811181344w1f3af971la61d64dca63553e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
> But I can't test kepas in 8.04.  Why, because the version in the ppa repo is
> incompatible with 4.1.2, and wants to downgrade kde to 4.0.5.  I filed a bug.

You might want to take a look at okular if it's available in 8.04.
It'll also do PDFs.

-- 
Manuel A. McLure WW1FA <manuel at mclure.org> <http://www.mclure.org>
...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law,
no man may kill a cat.                       -- H.P. Lovecraft



From hvontres at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 21:44:55 2008
From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:44:55 -0800
Subject: Just when I was starting to be OK with KDE 4...
In-Reply-To: <200811181629.50436.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811181629.50436.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a7f8874a0811181344s3d8f59fbpab5eca740a1273bc@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was informed that the 8.04 KDE4 ppa was not going to be maintained much
> more.
>
> I use kpf in kde3 to publish a status list of what I have in the pipeline at
> our office.  (I just keep the list in basket and export it to html
> periodically).
>
> kpf is being replaced in kde4 by kepas.  If it works, kepas has all of the
> functionality of kpf and a lot more.  I have been testing kde4's progress
> with the hardy ppa, and it is much improved, even over the October release of
> Intrepid.
>
> But I can't test kepas in 8.04.  Why, because the version in the ppa repo is
> incompatible with 4.1.2, and wants to downgrade kde to 4.0.5.  I filed a bug.
>
> The response was "Confirmed", but the maintainer told me they were no longer
> going to maintain the ppa with updates, and I should switch to 8.10.
>
> Now I have stopped complaining about the default being kde4 before it is
> ready, and I am just testing kde4 in hardy until it feels ready to upgrade.
> Now, not only is kubuntu 8.10 released with an immature kde, but I can no
> longer test the "beta" kde4 in 8.04.
>
> I simply don't know what's going on.  The devs seem to have thumbed their
> noses at regular users with their 8.10 decisions, and now they tell me I
> can't do what everyone defending the 8.10 decision tells me to do — stick
> with 8.04 and test until ready.  What a PR debacle for Open Source and Linux.
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
>


Well, one other option would be to carve out a small test partition
and use that to test Intrepid while you wait for KDE4 to stabiize.
That is the track I am using right now. That way you also avoid seeing
problems that may or may not be caused by issues between KDE 3.5 and
KDE 4.xx. Just my $.02 of course



-- 
Henry von Tresckow (hvontres)



From pkaplan1 at comcast.net  Tue Nov 18 21:48:59 2008
From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:48:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Just when I was starting to be OK with KDE 4...
In-Reply-To: <1569150109.571531227044549697.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <555456952.573141227044939766.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

You might try upgrading a live CD of 8.10 to kde 4.1.3 and testing kepas from there. I found 4.1.3 to be an incremental improvement to 4.1.2 and haven't yet found any regressions. 

If you do decide to upgrade to 8.10, you probably want to rename ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 so your new ~/.kde directory (for v. 4.1.x) isn't confounded by old config settings. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Art Alexion" <art.alexion at gmail.com> 
To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:29:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Just when I was starting to be OK with KDE 4... 

I was informed that the 8.04 KDE4 ppa was not going to be maintained much more. I use kpf in kde3 to publish a status list of what I have in the pipeline at our office. (I just keep the list in basket and export it to html periodically). kpf is being replaced in kde4 by kepas. If it works, kepas has all of the functionality of kpf and a lot more. I have been testing kde4's progress with the hardy ppa, and it is much improved, even over the October release of Intrepid. But I can't test kepas in 8.04. Why, because the version in the ppa repo is incompatible with 4.1.2, and wants to downgrade kde to 4.0.5. I filed a bug. The response was "Confirmed", but the maintainer told me they were no longer going to maintain the ppa with updates, and I should switch to 8.10. Now I have stopped complaining about the default being kde4 before it is ready, and I am just testing kde4 in hardy until it feels ready to upgrade. Now, not only is kubuntu 8.10 released with an immature kde, but I can no longer test the "beta" kde4 in 8.04. I simply don't know what's going on. The devs seem to have thumbed their noses at regular users with their 8.10 decisions, and now they tell me I can't do what everyone defending the 8.10 decision tells me to do — stick with 8.04 and test until ready. What a PR debacle for Open Source and Linux. 
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From eqisow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 21:49:55 2008
From: eqisow at gmail.com (Justin)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:49:55 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <49233579.50902@gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
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> Anytime you end up on the front page of a major portal (Google) with
> this sort of publicity ,even if the story is wrong, you have fallen.
> In this case the wrongness is contested by many.

I suppose that's true if you're preoccupied with publicity... I'm not a
member of the KDE team, but since they're not trying to sell anything I
don't see how it's anything more than an annoyance. They have just as many
developers working just as hard as ever, so it's not affecting the project.

KDE will be around and popular for the foreseeable future, and "the fall of
KDE" is simply sensationalist.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Knapp wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2008/11/18 Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
>>>> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
>>>> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
>>>> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
>>>> planning and poor thinking.
>>>> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
>>>>
>>>>  The author is an idiot lets take a typical example from his rant:
>>> """Secondly, the developers who wrote the application should know
>>> their code, and if they know their code then they know where all the
>>> bugs are. If they don't know where all of the bugs are then they have
>>> no business writing software for the public."""
>>>
>>> Should I start picking that statement apart? The rest of his rant is
>>> likewise worthless.
>>> --
>>> Dotan Cohen
>>>
>>
>> I have to disagree with you. I know when I write bugs in my software,
>> I always write down their locations!
>>
>
> now tell me this. how many bugs have you wrote that you weren't aware of
> them?
> that's really silly. there are tons of bugs in every software, and most of
> them are bugs the developer isn't aware of. it gets even worse with software
> as huge as a Desktop Environment, since you'll also be subjected to
> different behaviour on different hardware! do you expect the KDE dev team to
> try every single hardware configuration available?
> i really agree with Dotan here, the author *is* an idiot, and KDE 4.1 is
> not very buggy. there's a whole difference between feature-lacking software,
> and buggy software! KDE 4.1 is lacking features, that doesn't make it buggy.
> i'm not saying it's bugless, but it's not that aweful as well. so far, i get
> a program crash about once every 3 days, which is just a program crashing,
> and funnily, i's a non-KDE app crashing, as for a system crash, or plasma
> system crash, or any major crash, i haven't seen any from the days of
> alpha4.
>
> --
> Willy K. Hamra
> Manager of Hamra Information Systems
> Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
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From jvr_78 at yahoo.com.ar  Tue Nov 18 21:50:32 2008
From: jvr_78 at yahoo.com.ar (Lou)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:50:32 -0300
Subject: The same problem, but this time "by default"
In-Reply-To: <BA111CE28CD4499D8C4724CAC0F0A070@NoEsHisterica>
References: <491DFAA7.2060106@swbell.net><200811141850.27618.bmarsh@bmarsh.com><491E2270.4030103@swbell.net>
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Message-ID: <F7F8516345A14391A220FBA309BC88B3@NoEsHisterica>

please, help!!!



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Javier" <jvr_78 at yahoo.com.ar>
To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 12:17 PM
Subject: The same problem, but this time "by default"


Hi everyone !
I have a wireless onboard in my notebook olivetti 530.
the chipset is RTL8187B

I boot with live cd of Kubuntu 8.10-
and I can see all wireless networks, but I can´t connect.
I try with ndiswrapper, and no works.
its the same, can see all networks, but I can´t connect with any network.

somebody can make it works?
please Help me.
best regards
Javier Ramirez

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From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 21:58:15 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:58:15 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <4922E8C0.6040808@swbell.net>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<15edeae40811180506l6c4a4d50hd83c62d74d37ad5e@mail.gmail.com>	<4922C370.40105@candt.waitrose.com>
	<4922E8C0.6040808@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <49233A77.8070202@candt.waitrose.com>

Billie Walsh wrote:
> <snip>
> 
> On 11/18/2008 alan c wrote:
>>  I would like to avoid any comparison of linux with vista.
>>  Mistakes by the party of the second part do not justify less mistakes
>>  by the party of the first part.......
>>  :-)
> 
> In some ways I'm not so sure that KDE 4.x and Vista comparisons can be 
> completely avoided. This summer I bought a new, off the shelf, laptop 
> that was of course pre-loaded with Vista.  [ First thing I did was dual 
> boot it with 8.04 *<]:oD  ]  To the eye KDE 4.x "looks" like someone is 
> trying to copy Vista. Loads of eye candy.

Maybe true. And very clever stuff, impressive.

I did come across one linux newbie who was trying Kubuntu 8.10 i 
isolation, and although he expressed it as a learning experience he 
did not yet fully understand I got the clear impression that he 
thought it competed well with vista. So Kubuntu - if it had fewer 
rough edges  - would probably win hands down. The apparent target 
market for that segment  then would be a perfectly valid one - ex 
Vista users. The trick will have to be that existing users and less 
demanding users still can find it a desirable must have and not go 
running away.

If only I had the choice - as I have with compiz in ubuntu and the 
wonderful spinning cube - to easily turn it off and do other things!
-- 
alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648



From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 21:59:49 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:59:49 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <2090218.750bLKmX0m@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>	<f495db580811180814n3efb4d0dt8f6888c6d708d2dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<2090218.750bLKmX0m@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <49233AD5.2030607@candt.waitrose.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
> 
>>> otoh, tabs in Dolphin is a silly complaint, as he can still use
>>> Konqueror for file browsing.
>> 
>> Really, I think this shows the true nature of the problem. This user
>> does not know that he can do that because he is just a writer or
>> something like that and not a hardcore KDE person like us. Back to my
>> montra, don't make it default until it is ready!
> 
> No, that's not the case at all.  He's always used Konqueror.   How could 
> he imagine konqueror can't browse a filesystem?  He doesn't have to know 
> that it does that through a dolphin kpart, or even understand the
> concept, but he can't (validly) complain about Konqueror being crippled  
> without having actually _tried_ konqueror.  If he was new to KDE and 
> found he didn't like Dolphin, then it might be understandable, but he's 
> complaining about what he's _lost_ in konqueror - and this is something 
> he hasn't lost.

This problem is best dealt with by *advance* marketing!
-- 
alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648



From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com  Tue Nov 18 22:14:52 2008
From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:14:52 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <b6c687af0811181246t49999de7ubbf971f1b9dd00a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<b6c687af0811181246t49999de7ubbf971f1b9dd00a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49233E5C.9070808@candt.waitrose.com>

Justin wrote:
[...]

> Perhaps the Kubuntu team should have left 3.5 as the default or, like Suse,
> made it an option at install time.

yes yes yes!
Option or extra dimensions or whatever, wonderful.

[...]

> KDE4 is an overhaul of a HUGE piece of software. Given the total time in
> development it is my opinion that KDE 4.1.3 is a titanic accomplishment and
> will surely become something great.


It is already something great but it seems to be obscured behind clouds.
Although I have had to cease offering it, and at present have begun 
moving away, personally from it to gnome - as a defensive preparation 
- I can clearly see and appreciate that it is a wonderful piece of 
work and I am distraught that such creativity is causing me such concerns.

I hope against hope that the team can find a way of prospering along 
paths for both the slower plodders like me and those I help who like a 
rich (easy) environment with functionality, and those who crave and 
relish much more bazazz! (As I myself also do occasionally....)
-- 
alan cocks
Ubuntu user #10391
Linux user #360648



From a.mani.cms at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 22:28:31 2008
From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:58:31 +0530
Subject: kde folder problem
In-Reply-To: <10962168.gGfe93QvQS@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <78323d480811170845m598d30b4i7cb5b962195ba619@mail.gmail.com>
	<10962168.gGfe93QvQS@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <78323d480811181428s664f55f9g7259df9dc206e449@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:

> I'm surprised, though - imo it's a bug if kde can't start without a .kde
> directory.
>>
>> But kde4 cannot startup and neither can I use the terminal in xfce
>> other desktops. The error seems to be a permission problem.
>> But even after changing permissions for the new .kde directory, the
>> problem persists.
>
> How do you know it's a permission error?   Do you have a message you
> could show us?  fwiw, my .kde is 770 permissions.
>>

No it was due to typo in chown ... on my part.

There was no real problem.

Best

A. Mani





-- 
A. Mani
Member, Cal. Math. Soc



From gloonie at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 22:47:10 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:47:10 -0500
Subject: I lost some movie folders, need help to find them.
In-Reply-To: <49230B1B.20903@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811181115.17165.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<49230B1B.20903@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811181747.10907.gloonie@earthlink.net>

On Tuesday 18 November 2008 13:36:11 Steven Vollom wrote:
> Glenn R Williams wrote:
> > On Tuesday 18 November 2008 01:06:00 Michael Hirsch wrote:
> >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Steven Vollom
> >>
> >> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>> I changed the configuration on my Ktorrent program.  I created an
> >>> instruction so that when downloads completed they be transferred to
> >>> /media/sdb5/Completed Downloads.  The problem is, I meant to put them
> >>> in /media/sda5/CompletedDownloads.
> >>>
> >>> I have a problem with my sdb5 partition, in fact I have lots of
> >>> problems with the partitions on that HDD.  In any event, my computer
> >>> doesn't think it does exist.  I intended to place the folders in sda5
> >>> not sdb5. The problem is that several movies were downloaded and
> >>> Ktorrent was instructed to put them in a folder that my computer
> >>> doesn't think exists.  They went some place, but I don't know where.  I
> >>> ran a find on one of the titles, but nothing came up.
> >>>
> >>> When a user screws up, do his errors just vaporize, or does the
> >>> computer put them some place?  And, can a person find that place?  TIA.
> >>
> >> The two tools I use for this are "locate" and "find".
> >>
> >> Locate is a database of files on your system.  If you know the name of
> >> the file (say it is "myfile.mp4") try running
> >>    locate myfile.mp4
> >> or, if all you remember is the .mp4 extension run
> >>    locate .mp4
> >>
> >> If the file is quite new it might not be in the locate database yet,
> >> so try using find:
> >>   find / -name *.mp4
> >> This will take a long time, and will spit out every file you have that
> >> ends in .mp4.
> >>
> >> Both these commands have manual pages.  Run
> >>    <ALT>-F2 man:find
> >> or
> >>    <ALT>-F2 man:locate
> >> for all the gory detail.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >
> > Just a small note apropos the thread "Question on find inconsistency".
> > Your example of using find _needs to have the argument quoted_ to protect
> > it from shell expansion:
>
> In your comment the underline.  I know I should know, but I don't know
> the language.  Which part would be the argument?  What is protecting it
> from shell expansion and why is that bad?
> Thanks!    Steven
>
> > find / -name '*.mp4'
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Glenn

Steve,

the argument in my example was '*.mp4' and it needs to be in single quotes. 
Otherwise you will get an error.

Best,

Glenn



From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk  Tue Nov 18 22:56:42 2008
From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (list at loampitsfarm.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:56:42 +0000
Subject: rsync home to new partition
Message-ID: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>

 After fooling around with rdiff as su I've fouled up my installation
of Kubuntu. No worries as I've reinstalled in a newly created
partition sda6 mounted as root. The old root partition, sda1 is
visible and mounts at /media/disk.
 Now before I foul up again I'd like a bit of help with the command
line to rsync the user files from the old home directory to the
current home directory without copying any hidden or system files.
 It'll be along the lines of 
 rsync "?" v /home /media/disk/home
 Next step how to reclaim the space in sda1?
 also Derek mentioned a way of getting nntp access to this list, how
to?
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From gmane at auxbuss.com  Tue Nov 18 22:57:00 2008
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:57:00 +0100
Subject: Adept Manager crashes!
References: <ed4f31270811180354n1f06534cx5c9cfc7d3343aae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1791879.UQIbVQLED3@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <MPG.238d66ac9186db2c989b76@news.gmane.org>

Derek Broughton said...
> 316097 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > When I try to run Adept it crashes, then I try to run it from a
> > console, same thing happens, below is the output, can anyone help me?
> > 
> > [sudo] password for pierre:
> 
> Well, there you go...  DON'T use "sudo" to execute gui apps.  Use 
> "kdesudo".  You're lucky it just didn't work.  Sometimes when you do 
> this, it _does_ work - and then makes it impossible for you to run some 
> apps as a normal user, because root has ended up owning files in your 
> home directory.

Hey, I accidentally ran kcontrol with kdesu today and it behaved in a 
very strange way; I was setting up a samaba share, I think.

-- 
Cheers,
Marc




From gmane at auxbuss.com  Tue Nov 18 23:09:42 2008
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:09:42 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<15edeae40811180506l6c4a4d50hd83c62d74d37ad5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MPG.238d69a28f7412d2989b77@news.gmane.org>

Willy Hamra said...

> as for why KDE4 is not an improved KDE3? this was discussed in another
> thread. rewrite is much cleaner and better.

Depends on the progs and the dev process. But if they aren't bringing 
their test with them, then all bets are off.

> it's tiring, it's hard,
> for both developers and end-users, but the end result is much better
> than improving

Well, agile development works on the principle of refactoring, which has 
a lot of weight behind it showing that it is a extremely powerful and 
successful dev process. So, no "improving" can in fact be much, much 
better than rewriting.

> which usually causes loads of bloat, unused code here
> and there, code that is just accumulating over the years, bugs moving
> on, etc...

Only when you have no idea what you are doing. "Bloat" is much misused, 
but usually comes about through retaining features for backward 
compatibility. Ime, this is usually marketing driven rather than reality 
driven - apologies for the tautology :-)

-- 
Cheers,
Marc




From gmane at auxbuss.com  Tue Nov 18 23:11:32 2008
From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:11:32 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<15edeae40811180506l6c4a4d50hd83c62d74d37ad5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811180523g49945ef2wf881d6ac6eb7be6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MPG.238d6a122a621316989b78@news.gmane.org>

Knapp said...

> But you would not have anywhere near this level of negative reaction,
> if Kubuntu had waited a year to switch KDE4 to the default or at least
> kept kde3 as an option. Kubuntu is a USERS distro not a developers
> distro. This is not Gentoo with a bunch of savvy users. It should work
> well when it is set to be the default program.

+1

-- 
Cheers,
Marc




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Nov 18 23:37:33 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:37:33 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <492327C6.6080201@yahoo.it>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
	<492327C6.6080201@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <492351BD.3060802@tiscali.co.uk>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> How many programmers do you need to change a bulb?
> Two, one to change the bulb and one to file the bug report.
Actually it takes three - one to change the bulb, one to file the big 
report and one to explain "It's not a big, it's a feature!"  <:@)

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 01:20:03 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:20:03 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811181340x6f598b2pee65ab806895e115@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<49229B55.7010700@candt.waitrose.com>
	<1227005992.5215.2.camel@tai.ji>	<4922C0F1.2010807@candt.waitrose.com>
	<4923020F.7030707@sbcglobal.net>	<f495db580811181151m6f20fe3et404f4c76a7df15bc@mail.gmail.com>	<49232CA2.2070507@sbcglobal.net>
	<f495db580811181340x6f598b2pee65ab806895e115@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492369C3.3080203@sbcglobal.net>

Knapp wrote:
>> It isn't KDE 4 that I am interested in, it is Intrepid 64.
>>
>> I am told that Intrepid has fixed many of the 64 bit problems, is easier
>> to install, and was designed more 64 bit friendly.  I don't know, but I
>> just keep reading the posts, and it seemed the best idea.  Do you
>> disagree with a good reason?
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
> I don't run Intrepid and don't plan to unless I hear of some great
> improvements in KDE4, so I can't talk about how good it is with 64
> bit.
> I do run 8.04 64 bit and I have no problems at all, so how can you
> improve that? Maybe they have Firefox full 64 bit now with the new
> adobe 64 bit flash player? I have both (32 and 64 bit) installed from
> the repository (At least I think that is where I got them from?) with
> no problems.
>
> PS Did you get it running yet? Hope you do soon! Sounds like a fun project.
>
>
>   
I cannot even remember the improved features right now, however, when I 
read the posts, it was things like problem free configurations for 
printers, I think there was talk about that.  The areas were places 
where I always have had trouble in the past.  I didn't forsee having to 
post them, and just let it register as something I wanted.  I will keep 
a list from now on and attach them to your saved email address.  If and 
when the list gets reasonable, I will forward it on to you. 

Ciao, Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 01:32:21 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:32:21 -0500
Subject: RESOLVED AND THANKS!  Re: I lost some movie folders, need help to
	find them.  RESOLVED AND THANKS!
In-Reply-To: <200811181747.10907.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <49220D6C.5080205@sbcglobal.net>	<200811181115.17165.gloonie@earthlink.net>	<49230B1B.20903@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811181747.10907.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <49236CA5.4090208@sbcglobal.net>

Glenn R Williams wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 13:36:11 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Glenn R Williams wrote:
>>     
>>> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 01:06:00 Michael Hirsch wrote:
>>>       
>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Steven Vollom
>>>>
>>>> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> I changed the configuration on my Ktorrent program.  I created an
>>>>> instruction so that when downloads completed they be transferred to
>>>>> /media/sdb5/Completed Downloads.  The problem is, I meant to put them
>>>>> in /media/sda5/CompletedDownloads.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a problem with my sdb5 partition, in fact I have lots of
>>>>> problems with the partitions on that HDD.  In any event, my computer
>>>>> doesn't think it does exist.  I intended to place the folders in sda5
>>>>> not sdb5. The problem is that several movies were downloaded and
>>>>> Ktorrent was instructed to put them in a folder that my computer
>>>>> doesn't think exists.  They went some place, but I don't know where.  I
>>>>> ran a find on one of the titles, but nothing came up.
>>>>>
>>>>> When a user screws up, do his errors just vaporize, or does the
>>>>> computer put them some place?  And, can a person find that place?  TIA.
>>>>>           
>>>> The two tools I use for this are "locate" and "find".
>>>>
>>>> Locate is a database of files on your system.  If you know the name of
>>>> the file (say it is "myfile.mp4") try running
>>>>    locate myfile.mp4
>>>> or, if all you remember is the .mp4 extension run
>>>>    locate .mp4
>>>>
>>>> If the file is quite new it might not be in the locate database yet,
>>>> so try using find:
>>>>   find / -name *.mp4
>>>> This will take a long time, and will spit out every file you have that
>>>> ends in .mp4.
>>>>
>>>> Both these commands have manual pages.  Run
>>>>    <ALT>-F2 man:find
>>>> or
>>>>    <ALT>-F2 man:locate
>>>> for all the gory detail.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>         
>>> Just a small note apropos the thread "Question on find inconsistency".
>>> Your example of using find _needs to have the argument quoted_ to protect
>>> it from shell expansion:
>>>       
>> In your comment the underline.  I know I should know, but I don't know
>> the language.  Which part would be the argument?  What is protecting it
>> from shell expansion and why is that bad?
>> Thanks!    Steven
>>
>>     
>>> find / -name '*.mp4'
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>       
>
> Steve,
>
> the argument in my example was '*.mp4' and it needs to be in single quotes. 
> Otherwise you will get an error.
>
> Best,
>
> Glenn
>
>   




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 02:07:14 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:07:14 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811181224y659de1a1w628c39afa3159b7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<49233579.50902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3566343.C4ByDqkXJC@cedar.serverforest.com>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:

> Knapp wrote:
>> I have to disagree with you. I know when I write bugs in my software,
>> I always write down their locations!
> 
> now tell me this. how many bugs have you wrote that you weren't aware
> of them?
> that's really silly. 

Of course it is - it's "sarcasm", which is usually pretty silly :-)
-- 
derek




From nadreck at palain.com  Wed Nov 19 02:10:50 2008
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:10:50 -0500
Subject: More on Krusader and launching files
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811180039m403ae91se23dcb363655c67f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <491260E3.80702@palain.com>	
	<200811061202.43510.carl1086@morris.umn.edu>	
	<49222860.5030503@palain.com>
	<b8d784880811180039m403ae91se23dcb363655c67f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492375AA.7070801@palain.com>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/18 Kevin B. O'Brien <nadreck at palain.com>:
>   
>> OK, some recent update (I think) broke it again, and this time removing
>> it, rebooting, and reinstalling couldn't get it to work again.
>>
>> The version I am using is:
>>
>> Version 2.0.0-beta2 "SVN TRUNK Space Odyssey"
>> Using KDE 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3)
>>
>> It is not giving me any errors at all. I just click, and nothing
>> happens. Or I right-click, select the program I want to use to open the
>> file, and nothing happens.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
> Have you tried to delete the configfiles for krusader? Version 2.* is
> built for KDE4 and version 1.* in Hardy for KDE3 thats why i think
> that there could be something with the configfiles.
>   
I was just forced to reboot, and now it is working again. I really don't 
know what is going on.

Thank you,

-- 
Kevin B. O'Brien         TANSTAAFL
nadreck at palain.com      Linux User #333216

Some people think we need a third party in this country. I think we 
could use a second one. -- Jim Hightower



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 02:14:30 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:14:30 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <1297223.X5kiHoTf2k@cedar.serverforest.com>

nepal google wrote:

> I'm just in the process of setting up 8.04 and one thing I
> really never liked is KWallet. I looked at all the options
> of System Settings and could not find where to turn it off.
> So I ran KControl and knew immediately where to go to turn
> this off. This is the kind of thing that p****es off users

Aargh!  They put _that_ in kcontrol????  You really, really, don't want 
to turn it off.  I hope you realize that in practically every case where 
you tell an app not to use KWallet, it ends up storing your passwords in 
some cleartext file.  If apps don't to store the password in the wallet, 
then kwallet will never be started.   
-- 
derek




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 02:20:38 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:20:38 +1000
Subject: The Rise of KDE 4 and 8.10 
Message-ID: <492377f6.1c89.b6cbdb90.2af8fda@blackpaw.dyndns.org>

Seeing as everyone else has thought I'd chime in with my HO. Personally I'm loving KDE 4 and Intrepid. Have been trialling KDE4 since 8.04 but now am using it full time. There were some thing I initially really disliked - the new Menu, Dolphin, but now I've figured out the way they work and how to customise them I'm delighted - very usable and quite productive. I use Dolphin all the time for managing my files both locally and remotely on my MythBox.

Don't get all the hate and honestly, someone posts a whine on some obscure Google blog? the "Fall of KDE"? please, get a grip and some perspective.

So a big thanks to the KDE developers and the Kubuntu maintainers, I think you made the right choices and are doing a great job, kudos to you. I'm really excited about the new directions for KDE and Kubuntu.

--
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 02:20:47 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:20:47 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492332B8.7010700@sbcglobal.net>
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Steven Vollom wrote:

> Me too, Nepal.  But I just haven't taken the time to understand
> Kwallet.  I just uninstalled it when I configured this installation.
> But I think I want to know the benefit.  If it is just a bunch more
> mouse clicks, I don't want it either.  If it requires a more secure
> password to make it safer, I am not sure I want to have to type in an
> increasingly more difficult password all the time.  I have one that is
> 37 characters, all mixed up and senseless, but when I am in a hurry, I
> make mistakes and have to reenter too many times.  Learning the
> benefits

Why do you think it would be more mouse clicks?

KWallet is pretty simple.  Every KDE app that asks for a password should 
be able to use the wallet.  The first time in your KDE session that an 
app asks for a password, you will have to give kwallet's password - 
which can be as simple or difficult as you want.  Obviously, more complex 
is more secure.  After that, depending on configuration, it may never ask 
for the kwallet password again until you logoff again.  The wallet 
manager can be configured to close if nothing else is using it, in which 
case the next app to need it will have to ask your password again, or 
after a certain time, but in any case it will never ask for a password 
_more_ often than if you aren't using it - because it only asks when 
something else would have prompted you anyway, and not always then, either.
-- 
derek




From david3333333 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 02:31:28 2008
From: david3333333 at gmail.com (David McNally)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:31:28 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91b973500811181831g68d49b0dic139f28bd9f59b79@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone.

A few days ago, I had trouble loading up my GNOME desktop, so I loaded up
the KDE one that I had installed as a "just-in-case", and because I wanted
to see how different it was from GNOME. I had initially liked KDE, back
about a year ago when I first tried it, but still stuck with GNOME because I
was familiar with it. If I had to switch to KDE, I could have, though. It
was very nice.

When I had trouble loading GNOME a few days ago (which is fine now, I was
just making a stupid mistake), I loaded up KDE to try to find out what the
problem was. KDE ran very slowly and was very different from how I
remembered it: as a useful, good-looking desktop environment.

It's not as good as it was. KDE's developers first need to kick Dolphin and
go back to Konqueror, and fix all of the other problems that this new
version has.

David McNally

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:18 AM, Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com> wrote:

> It was easy to see coming. This is from a link on Google, meaning it
> is getting a lot of reading. How can this be good for Kubuntu? I sure
> hope the devs see stuff like this and learn. I find it very
> distasteful to watch my favorite desktop crash and burn due to bad
> planning and poor thinking.
> http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116
>
> --
> Douglas E Knapp
>
> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page
>
> --
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 02:26:45 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:26:45 -0400
Subject: rsync home to new partition
References: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1747694.c5ORMBId4L@cedar.serverforest.com>

list at loampitsfarm.co.uk wrote:

> also Derek mentioned a way of getting nntp access to this list, how
> to?

nntp://gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.kubuntu

should be all you need
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 04:20:50 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:20:50 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <25573416.ds7yLPXF40@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<492332B8.7010700@sbcglobal.net>
	<25573416.ds7yLPXF40@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <49239422.90604@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> Me too, Nepal.  But I just haven't taken the time to understand
>> Kwallet.  I just uninstalled it when I configured this installation.
>> But I think I want to know the benefit.  If it is just a bunch more
>> mouse clicks, I don't want it either.  If it requires a more secure
>> password to make it safer, I am not sure I want to have to type in an
>> increasingly more difficult password all the time.  I have one that is
>> 37 characters, all mixed up and senseless, but when I am in a hurry, I
>> make mistakes and have to reenter too many times.  Learning the
>> benefits
>>     
>
> Why do you think it would be more mouse clicks?
>
> KWallet is pretty simple.  Every KDE app that asks for a password should 
> be able to use the wallet.  The first time in your KDE session that an 
> app asks for a password, you will have to give kwallet's password - 
> which can be as simple or difficult as you want.  Obviously, more complex 
> is more secure.  After that, depending on configuration, it may never ask 
> for the kwallet password again until you logoff again.  The wallet 
> manager can be configured to close if nothing else is using it, in which 
> case the next app to need it will have to ask your password again, or 
> after a certain time, but in any case it will never ask for a password 
> _more_ often than if you aren't using it - because it only asks when 
> something else would have prompted you anyway, and not always then, either.
>   
OK.  If I use Kwallet.  It ask for the new password.  I place the 
password in Kwallet.  Then later I enter an area that requires a 
password.  Do I have to open Kwallet to be reminded what the password 
is, then enter it, or when I enter the password protected site Kwallet 
opens the site automatically.  I just don't want to have to open Kwallet 
and then type the password into the protected site to open it.  I only 
want to do the password task one time.  If Kwallet does the work for me, 
then I want to use it.  When I click on Ebay in my bookmarks, my 
username and password are entered for me; all I have to do is click 
enter and it opens.  If that happens using Kwallet, I want Kwallet.  And 
if that is the case, what do you suggest, my 37 unrelated number, symbol 
letter in any case password that I somehow can remember?  I open it on 
boot up and forget passwords wherever I go?  If you come up with the 
answers I want, I will regret not using it.  I have just been so busy 
learning basics, I haven't had time to learn some of the jewels that I 
know are in KDE.  In time I will, but it will take time.  You can make 
the Kwallet decision for me right now by telling me how it works with 
relationship to my wants.  Thanks!  Steven




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 04:29:31 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:29:31 +0000
Subject: Minor problems with Intrepid
Message-ID: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk>

I recently installed Intrepid and am generally liking it.  There are 
things missing and things that work differently but I'm learning!  :@)

Two irritating problems:

1) I can't switch desktops with <ctrl><tab> and can't find the settings 
page to check that it's set up right.

2) When I write an e-mail, my plasmoids flash!  Clock and system monitor 
on the bar at the bottom (what used to be Klipper...)

Any ideas?

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 04:32:55 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:32:55 -0500
Subject: Just when I was starting to be OK with KDE 4...
In-Reply-To: <5b2fd9c60811181344w1f3af971la61d64dca63553e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811181629.50436.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<5b2fd9c60811181344w1f3af971la61d64dca63553e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811182032g67e51b96v4b792bac2167f4f8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Manuel McLure <manuel at mclure.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But I can't test kepas in 8.04.  Why, because the version in the ppa repo is
>> incompatible with 4.1.2, and wants to downgrade kde to 4.0.5.  I filed a bug.
>
> You might want to take a look at okular if it's available in 8.04.
> It'll also do PDFs.

kpf, not kpDf

-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 04:37:28 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:37:28 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
Message-ID: <49239808.50207@sbcglobal.net>

If anyone using AT&T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also uses 
Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to use 
Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems, 
however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been 
using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my 
settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I applied 
and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of 
the screen print is too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so if 
you will contact me off post, I will send the screen print, and perhaps 
you can get me running.  Once repaired, I will report the cure on the 
forum and show the post as SOLVED so that others can benefit from the 
instruction. TIA.    Also, On the second page of the configuration for 
Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I have selected SSL, 
which is required.  stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net

Steven



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 04:50:10 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:50:10 +1000
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
Message-ID: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>

Steve, did you get my email this morning? (Aussie time)

--
Lindsay Mathieson
http://album.mathieson.org.nz/

--- Original message ---
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 19/11/2008  4:39 AM

 If anyone using AT:T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also uses Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to use Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems, however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I applied and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of the screen print is too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so if you will contact me off post, I will send the screen print, and perhaps you can get me running.  Once repaired, I will report the cure on the forum and show the post as SOLVED so that others can benefit from the instruction. TIA.    Also, On the second page of the configuration for Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I have selected SSL, which is required.  stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net 
 
Steven 
 
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From lists at ptfd.org  Wed Nov 19 04:57:36 2008
From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:57:36 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <49239422.90604@sbcglobal.net>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<25573416.ds7yLPXF40@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<49239422.90604@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811182357.37705.lists@ptfd.org>

On Tuesday 18 November 2008 23:20:50 Steven Vollom wrote:
> Derek Broughton wrote:
> > Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> Me too, Nepal.  But I just haven't taken the time to understand
> >> Kwallet.  I just uninstalled it when I configured this installation.
> >> But I think I want to know the benefit.  If it is just a bunch more
> >> mouse clicks, I don't want it either.  If it requires a more secure
> >> password to make it safer, I am not sure I want to have to type in an
> >> increasingly more difficult password all the time.  I have one that is
> >> 37 characters, all mixed up and senseless, but when I am in a hurry, I
> >> make mistakes and have to reenter too many times.  Learning the
> >> benefits
> >
> > Why do you think it would be more mouse clicks?
> >
> > KWallet is pretty simple.  Every KDE app that asks for a password should
> > be able to use the wallet.  The first time in your KDE session that an
> > app asks for a password, you will have to give kwallet's password -
> > which can be as simple or difficult as you want.  Obviously, more complex
> > is more secure.  After that, depending on configuration, it may never ask
> > for the kwallet password again until you logoff again.  The wallet
> > manager can be configured to close if nothing else is using it, in which
> > case the next app to need it will have to ask your password again, or
> > after a certain time, but in any case it will never ask for a password
> > _more_ often than if you aren't using it - because it only asks when
> > something else would have prompted you anyway, and not always then,
> > either.
>
> OK.  If I use Kwallet.  It ask for the new password.  I place the
> password in Kwallet.  Then later I enter an area that requires a
> password.  Do I have to open Kwallet to be reminded what the password
> is, then enter it, or when I enter the password protected site Kwallet
> opens the site automatically.  I just don't want to have to open Kwallet
> and then type the password into the protected site to open it.  I only
> want to do the password task one time.  If Kwallet does the work for me,
> then I want to use it.  When I click on Ebay in my bookmarks, my
> username and password are entered for me; all I have to do is click
> enter and it opens.  If that happens using Kwallet, I want Kwallet.  And
> if that is the case, what do you suggest, my 37 unrelated number, symbol
> letter in any case password that I somehow can remember?  I open it on
> boot up and forget passwords wherever I go?  If you come up with the
> answers I want, I will regret not using it.  I have just been so busy
> learning basics, I haven't had time to learn some of the jewels that I
> know are in KDE.  In time I will, but it will take time.  You can make
> the Kwallet decision for me right now by telling me how it works with
> relationship to my wants.  Thanks!  Steven
That is pretty much what it does. I have used it for a long time it works 
well.

Its only drawback I have seen is that it does not work with firefox.

Mike
-- 
Michael W. Holdeman
Chief
Porter Fire Department

Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta
http://kubuntu.org




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Wed Nov 19 05:19:06 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:19:06 -0600
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <49239422.90604@sbcglobal.net>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<492332B8.7010700@sbcglobal.net>	<25573416.ds7yLPXF40@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<49239422.90604@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4923A1CA.30308@swbell.net>

On 11/18/2008 Steven Vollom wrote:
>  OK.  If I use Kwallet.  It ask for the new password.  I place the
>  password in Kwallet.  Then later I enter an area that requires a
>  password.  Do I have to open Kwallet to be reminded what the password
>  is, then enter it, or when I enter the password protected site
>  Kwallet
>  opens the site automatically.  I just don't want to have to open
>  Kwallet
>  and then type the password into the protected site to open it.  I
>  only
>  want to do the password task one time.  If Kwallet does the work for
>  me,
>  then I want to use it.  When I click on Ebay in my bookmarks, my
>  username and password are entered for me; all I have to do is click
>  enter and it opens.  If that happens using Kwallet, I want Kwallet. 
>  And
>  if that is the case, what do you suggest, my 37 unrelated number,
>  symbol
>  letter in any case password that I somehow can remember?  I open it
>  on
>  boot up and forget passwords wherever I go?  If you come up with the
>  answers I want, I will regret not using it.  I have just been so busy
>  learning basics, I haven't had time to learn some of the jewels that
>  I
>  know are in KDE.  In time I will, but it will take time.  You can
>  make
>  the Kwallet decision for me right now by telling me how it works with
>  relationship to my wants.  Thanks!  Steven

Let me put this as easy as I can.

Kwallet is what you want.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.





From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 06:42:25 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:42:25 +0200
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
In-Reply-To: <200811182011.31040.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811181955.49108.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811182011.31040.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <200811190842.26204.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

>Tell us what you're
> trying to do first, and we'll do our best to help. 
It's much like I mentioned: I have a virtual server running Ubuntu LTS. I 
control it by ssh from home. I got a domain name yesterday.
I have apache and Django and mysql all running ok.
I have postfix running and it sends mail (from my web app) to external email 
addys; that's fine -- the web app can talk to users.

What I need now is for users to be able to talk to the admin (me and whomever) 
via the new domain. So:

1. A user can send an email to help at mydomain.blah : this seems to be the MX 
record you spoke of working with Postfix to receive the mail and put it 
somewhere. As 'help' is not a user on the server I imagine we are talking 
some kind of aliasing or virtual whatsit-ing here.

2. I don't want to read those user emails from the command-line under ssh on 
the server. I want their email to come to me at home on kmail. So I need a 
way to fetch the mail inbox of 'help' from there to home.
This is where Dovecot or Courier seem to come in. I can't test this properly 
until I have an email waiting to be 'fetched'. (Step 1)

3. I want to reply to those user email from kmail too. For this you suggested 
a default 'reply-to' address on my usual ISP (gmail) address. Nice one. I 
will give it a go.

4. I don't want to run the risk of being an 'open relay' but with the 
complexity of email I am not sure I can avoid it... I will learn as I burn :)


> There's no one 
> application for implementing a mail server - it's put together from
> whatever bits and pieces you like best.
Yeah I am seeing that. I only wish the parts would have 'for newbs' sections 
in all their docs. It sure ain't lego!

> Like I said earlier, I'm now trying to set everything up without using
> WebMin. 
I also don't want to use webmin. I want to stick to the command-line. 

> Be careful, very careful, with firewalls. It's easy to lock
> yourself out of your own server. You wouldn't be the first to do it.
Don't even start on iptables! I think I'd sooner master ancient Latin... For 
now my server relies on the default settings of Ubuntu LTS and hope.

Thanks,
\d



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 07:03:56 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:03:56 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <200811182357.37705.lists@ptfd.org>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<25573416.ds7yLPXF40@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49239422.90604@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811182357.37705.lists@ptfd.org>
Message-ID: <4923BA5C.1020700@sbcglobal.net>

Michael W. Holdeman wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 23:20:50 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Me too, Nepal.  But I just haven't taken the time to understand
>>>> Kwallet.  I just uninstalled it when I configured this installation.
>>>> But I think I want to know the benefit.  If it is just a bunch more
>>>> mouse clicks, I don't want it either.  If it requires a more secure
>>>> password to make it safer, I am not sure I want to have to type in an
>>>> increasingly more difficult password all the time.  I have one that is
>>>> 37 characters, all mixed up and senseless, but when I am in a hurry, I
>>>> make mistakes and have to reenter too many times.  Learning the
>>>> benefits
>>>>         
>>> Why do you think it would be more mouse clicks?
>>>
>>> KWallet is pretty simple.  Every KDE app that asks for a password should
>>> be able to use the wallet.  The first time in your KDE session that an
>>> app asks for a password, you will have to give kwallet's password -
>>> which can be as simple or difficult as you want.  Obviously, more complex
>>> is more secure.  After that, depending on configuration, it may never ask
>>> for the kwallet password again until you logoff again.  The wallet
>>> manager can be configured to close if nothing else is using it, in which
>>> case the next app to need it will have to ask your password again, or
>>> after a certain time, but in any case it will never ask for a password
>>> _more_ often than if you aren't using it - because it only asks when
>>> something else would have prompted you anyway, and not always then,
>>> either.
>>>       
>> OK.  If I use Kwallet.  It ask for the new password.  I place the
>> password in Kwallet.  Then later I enter an area that requires a
>> password.  Do I have to open Kwallet to be reminded what the password
>> is, then enter it, or when I enter the password protected site Kwallet
>> opens the site automatically.  I just don't want to have to open Kwallet
>> and then type the password into the protected site to open it.  I only
>> want to do the password task one time.  If Kwallet does the work for me,
>> then I want to use it.  When I click on Ebay in my bookmarks, my
>> username and password are entered for me; all I have to do is click
>> enter and it opens.  If that happens using Kwallet, I want Kwallet.  And
>> if that is the case, what do you suggest, my 37 unrelated number, symbol
>> letter in any case password that I somehow can remember?  I open it on
>> boot up and forget passwords wherever I go?  If you come up with the
>> answers I want, I will regret not using it.  I have just been so busy
>> learning basics, I haven't had time to learn some of the jewels that I
>> know are in KDE.  In time I will, but it will take time.  You can make
>> the Kwallet decision for me right now by telling me how it works with
>> relationship to my wants.  Thanks!  Steven
>>     
> That is pretty much what it does. I have used it for a long time it works 
> well.
>
> Its only drawback I have seen is that it does not work with firefox.
>
> Mike	
>   
Dear Mike,

When I first installed Kubuntu, it was difficult to change from what I 
was used to.  I used Firefox even when I used Windows; I just liked it 
better than Explorer.  Anyway, I rejected Kmail and Konquer, mostly 
because they were different and did not look as pretty.  Pretty stupid, 
huh.  Well, recently I got my first nice monitor, a 22" Active Matrix.  
I was able to increase print size without having to scroll 
horizontally.  This was a favored new toy for me, because I hated that 
about my former small screen.  But both Firefox and Thunderbird would 
not permit my desired configuration, so I looked again at Konqueror and 
Kmail.  Now that I am more familiar with Linux, I liked the cleanness 
and integration of the Linux offerings.  Additionally, they just 
naturally gave me the print size I wanted, so I decided to use them.  I 
find that the more I learn the Kubuntu-KDE way, the more I prefer it.  
And now that I want Kmail back, I can't get the configuration for 
outgoing mail to work.  It is always something.  On your suggestion, I 
am going to install and activate Kwallet in the morning.  I am tired and 
it is 2 in the morning, so I am going to bed.  I would like to thank you 
for being so kind as to suggest the use of Kwallet.  I know I will like 
it very much and will feel foolish for waiting so long.  This is the 
absolute finest forum on the net.

I forgot an important consideration, both Konqueror and Kmail seem so 
much faster to use.  It is remarkable.

Cordially, friend,
Steven




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 07:04:57 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:04:57 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <4923A1CA.30308@swbell.net>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<492332B8.7010700@sbcglobal.net>	<25573416.ds7yLPXF40@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49239422.90604@sbcglobal.net>
	<4923A1CA.30308@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <4923BA99.3030905@sbcglobal.net>

Billie Walsh wrote:
> On 11/18/2008 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>  OK.  If I use Kwallet.  It ask for the new password.  I place the
>>  password in Kwallet.  Then later I enter an area that requires a
>>  password.  Do I have to open Kwallet to be reminded what the password
>>  is, then enter it, or when I enter the password protected site
>>  Kwallet
>>  opens the site automatically.  I just don't want to have to open
>>  Kwallet
>>  and then type the password into the protected site to open it.  I
>>  only
>>  want to do the password task one time.  If Kwallet does the work for
>>  me,
>>  then I want to use it.  When I click on Ebay in my bookmarks, my
>>  username and password are entered for me; all I have to do is click
>>  enter and it opens.  If that happens using Kwallet, I want Kwallet. 
>>  And
>>  if that is the case, what do you suggest, my 37 unrelated number,
>>  symbol
>>  letter in any case password that I somehow can remember?  I open it
>>  on
>>  boot up and forget passwords wherever I go?  If you come up with the
>>  answers I want, I will regret not using it.  I have just been so busy
>>  learning basics, I haven't had time to learn some of the jewels that
>>  I
>>  know are in KDE.  In time I will, but it will take time.  You can
>>  make
>>  the Kwallet decision for me right now by telling me how it works with
>>  relationship to my wants.  Thanks!  Steven
>>     
>
> Let me put this as easy as I can.
>
> Kwallet is what you want.
>
>   
Thanks Billie,

I am installing it in the morning.

Steven



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 08:00:31 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:00:31 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <b6c687af0811181349m6b7eb146n85fb8c815ee8db66@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811181224y659de1a1w628c39afa3159b7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<49233579.50902@gmail.com>
	<b6c687af0811181349m6b7eb146n85fb8c815ee8db66@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811190000q15373e87j32a64126d7f700ba@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Justin <eqisow at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anytime you end up on the front page of a major portal (Google) with
>> this sort of publicity ,even if the story is wrong, you have fallen.
>> In this case the wrongness is contested by many.
>
> I suppose that's true if you're preoccupied with publicity... I'm not a
> member of the KDE team, but since they're not trying to sell anything I
> don't see how it's anything more than an annoyance. They have just as many
> developers working just as hard as ever, so it's not affecting the project.
>
> KDE will be around and popular for the foreseeable future, and "the fall of
> KDE" is simply sensationalist.

Thank you!

Really, I don't see the problem as being a problem with the KDE
developers at all! They are doing what they should be. Maybe the
released a bit early but so what? I mean no one makes you install it
in your distro.

However there is a problem with making KDE4 the default in a newbie,
workers and average users distro like Kubuntu.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 08:08:58 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:08:58 +0200
Subject: rsync home to new partition
In-Reply-To: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
References: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200811191008.59328.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 00:56:42 list at loampitsfarm.co.uk wrote:
>  Now before I foul up again I'd like a bit of help with the command
> line to rsync the user files from the old home directory to the

Here's a script I use all the time. Be sure to read it and change to your 
needs:

---

#!/bin/bash
#First backup location - external drive
# ZZZ is the final directory where backups will go
T2=/media/XXX/YYY/ZZZ
[ ! -d "$T2" ] && echo "$T2 not available" && exit 1

#Your home directory
S=/home/XXX
echo "backup start :" `date` > $S/report

## SUPER NB:
##A trailing slash on the source means dirs will
##be correct on target!

s[1]=$S/SOMEDIR1/
t[1]=SOMEDIR1_backup

s[2]=$S/SOMEDIR2/
t[2]=SOMEDIR2_backup

etc..

#Get the number of targets:
len=${#t[@]}

#Start a loop to rsync them all.
i=1
while [ "$i" -le "$len" ]
do
SS=${s[$i]}
TARGET=$T2/${t[$i]}
# This line will keep an exact clone on the target - deleting what's not in
# the source tree (--delete).
rsync -vurtl --safe-links --delete "$SS" "$TARGET" >> $S/rsync.out
((i=i+1))
done

#Finish report and email to me:
echo "backup end :" `date` >> $S/report
cat $S/report | mail -s "backup report" YOU at localhost

---
(There may be a bug or two as I edited it in this email a little...)
Save it some place, edit it, chmod u+x it and put it on a cron.

HTH,
\d

-- 
"A computer without Windows is like chocolate cake without mustard."
-- Anonymous Coward /.

Fonty Python and other dev news at:
http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Wed Nov 19 08:16:53 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:16:53 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811190000q15373e87j32a64126d7f700ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811181224y659de1a1w628c39afa3159b7c@mail.gmail.com>	<49233579.50902@gmail.com>	<b6c687af0811181349m6b7eb146n85fb8c815ee8db66@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811190000q15373e87j32a64126d7f700ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gg0i1j$5jc$1@ger.gmane.org>

Knapp wrote:

> 
> Really, I don't see the problem as being a problem with the KDE
> developers at all! They are doing what they should be. Maybe the
> released a bit early but so what? I mean no one makes you install it
> in your distro.
> 
So true! Thanks.

So it was not KDE that forced Ubuntu to offer 8.10 with solely KDE 4.
Who forced them?


> However there is a problem with making KDE4 the default in a newbie,
> workers and average users distro like Kubuntu.

Hm...
I found that the problem is not with anyone beginning to use Linux. They 
are simply amazed how KDE 4 handles things smartly.

The only problem is with people that used KDE for years, coming from KDE 
3.5 to KDE 4. they are refusing to easily accept, hmmm..., revolutionary 
change.

regards
Eberhard
> 




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 19 08:18:30 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:18:30 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <1297223.X5kiHoTf2k@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<1297223.X5kiHoTf2k@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811190818.30718.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Wed 19 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> nepal google wrote:
> > I'm just in the process of setting up 8.04 and one
> > thing I really never liked is KWallet. I looked at all
> > the options of System Settings and could not find where
> > to turn it off. So I ran KControl and knew immediately
> > where to go to turn this off. This is the kind of thing
> > that p****es off users
>
> Aargh!  They put _that_ in kcontrol????  You really,
> really, don't want to turn it off.  I hope you realize
> that in practically every case where you tell an app not
> to use KWallet, it ends up storing your passwords in some
> cleartext file.  If apps don't to store the password in
> the wallet, then kwallet will never be started.
> --
> derek

OK,

Maybe I'll have another look at it then. When I first came 
across it, it *was* a nightmare, continuously asking for 
passwords (in KMail IIRC) and I got so fed up with it being 
so intrusive I stopped using it. Admittedly that was in the 
bad old days of Mandrake.

For example, I have five different email accounts that I use 
for various reasons, I don't want to have to type in five 
different passwords each day I log in to my pc, that I do 
not find useful, yes I am lazy. If there is only one 
password entry to make for the entire session until I log 
out again, even that is still one more entry than I have to 
make at present, I will reconsider. Is that the case?

nepal.




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Wed Nov 19 08:24:59 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:24:59 +0100
Subject: The Rise of KDE 4 and 8.10
In-Reply-To: <492377f6.1c89.b6cbdb90.2af8fda@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
References: <492377f6.1c89.b6cbdb90.2af8fda@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <gg0igo$5jc$2@ger.gmane.org>

lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:

> So a big thanks to the KDE developers and the Kubuntu maintainers, I 
> think you made the right choices and are doing a great job, kudos to 
> you. I'm really excited about the new directions for KDE and Kubuntu.
> 
> --
> Lindsay Mathieson
> http://album.mathieson.org.nz/
> 
I would like to second this. I am also using Kubuntu Intrepid full time 
and I it is simply great!

Thank you very much for a very good distro and keep up the good work.

Eberhard




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Wed Nov 19 08:37:10 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:37:10 +0100
Subject: Minor problems with Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <gg0j7k$8ui$1@ger.gmane.org>

Wulfy wrote:
> I recently installed Intrepid and am generally liking it.  There are 
> things missing and things that work differently but I'm learning!  :@)
> 
> Two irritating problems:
> 
> 1) I can't switch desktops with <ctrl><tab> and can't find the settings 
> page to check that it's set up right.
> 
I am switching desktops with ctrl+F(no. of Desktop).

This has been working for ages and it also works on KDE4. If you need to
change it to your likings, Systemsettings/Keyboard+Mouse (translated 
from a german KDE4) should get you there.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From girardhenri at free.fr  Wed Nov 19 09:00:56 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:00:56 +0100
Subject: The Rise of KDE 4 and 8.10
In-Reply-To: <gg0igo$5jc$2@ger.gmane.org>
References: <492377f6.1c89.b6cbdb90.2af8fda@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<gg0igo$5jc$2@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1227085256.9624.0.camel@tai.ji>

testing jaunty and enjoying it :) lol

Le mercredi 19 novembre 2008 à 09:24 +0100, Eberhard Roloff a écrit :
> lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > So a big thanks to the KDE developers and the Kubuntu maintainers, I 
> > think you made the right choices and are doing a great job, kudos to 
> > you. I'm really excited about the new directions for KDE and Kubuntu.
> > 
> > --
> > Lindsay Mathieson
> > http://album.mathieson.org.nz/
> > 
> I would like to second this. I am also using Kubuntu Intrepid full time 
> and I it is simply great!
> 
> Thank you very much for a very good distro and keep up the good work.
> 
> Eberhard
> 
> 




From 316097 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 09:46:07 2008
From: 316097 at gmail.com (316097 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:46:07 +0100
Subject: Adept Manager crashes!
In-Reply-To: <200811180927.53574.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <ed4f31270811180354n1f06534cx5c9cfc7d3343aae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811180927.53574.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <ed4f31270811190146w26ecdf5as1e97a8d728f9a7c9@mail.gmail.com>

I've tried running both from commandline and gui, I only tried the
commandline to see where it failed.

The result of the command you requested is below:

drwx------ 7 pierre pierre 4096 2008-11-18 15:28 /var/tmp/kdecache-pierre
drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2008-11-18 14:40 /var/tmp/kdecache-root

Thanks!

/ Pierre


On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Glenn R Williams <gloonie at earthlink.net>wrote:

> How are you running Adept? From a command line or from the gui?
>
> Also, can you post the result of running:
>
> ls  -ld /var/tmp/kdecache*
>
>
> Glenn
>
> --
> Glenn R Williams
>
>
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 06:54:07 316097 at gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > When I try to run Adept it crashes, then I try to run it from a
> > console, same thing happens, below is the output, can anyone help me?
> >
> > [sudo] password for pierre:
> > kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
> > Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-pierre" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
> > debconf
> > adduser
> > sysklogd
> > snort-mysql
> > oinkmaster
> > debconf
> > adduser
> > sysklogd
> > snort-mysql
> > oinkmaster
> > KCrash: Application 'adept_manager' crashing...
> > KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
>
>
> --
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> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 09:53:06 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:53:06 +0000
Subject: Minor problems with Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <gg0j7k$8ui$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk> <gg0j7k$8ui$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4923E202.7060901@tiscali.co.uk>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> I am switching desktops with ctrl+F(no. of Desktop).
>
> This has been working for ages and it also works on KDE4. If you need to
> change it to your likings, Systemsettings/Keyboard+Mouse (translated 
> from a german KDE4) should get you there.
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>
>
>   
Thanks, Eberhard.

Yes, I can do that.  It's just that my fingers have learned <cvtrl><ta> 
and it's frustrating to find it doesn't work!  :@(

One more thing that's wrong...  when I run System Settings (ugh, I much 
prefered Kcontrol!) and click on Keyboard+Mouse, it freezes!  Which is 
why I couldn't find the d**n settings I needed!

<sigh> Hurry up KDE4.2!  :@)

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From dave at thefletchers.net  Wed Nov 19 10:06:33 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:06:33 +0000
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
In-Reply-To: <200811190842.26204.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811182011.31040.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<200811190842.26204.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811191006.33721.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 06:42:25 Donn wrote:
> >Tell us what you're
> > trying to do first, and we'll do our best to help.
>
> It's much like I mentioned: I have a virtual server running Ubuntu LTS. I
> control it by ssh from home. I got a domain name yesterday.
> I have apache and Django and mysql all running ok.
> I have postfix running and it sends mail (from my web app) to external
> email addys; that's fine -- the web app can talk to users.
>
> What I need now is for users to be able to talk to the admin (me and
> whomever) via the new domain. So:
>
> 1. A user can send an email to help at mydomain.blah : this seems to be the MX
> record you spoke of working with Postfix to receive the mail and put it
> somewhere. As 'help' is not a user on the server I imagine we are talking
> some kind of aliasing or virtual whatsit-ing here.
Looks like you need to edit /etc/aliases and add the line
help:	yourloginname

and then issue the commands
sudo newaliases
sudo postfix reload

A google search for:-
postfix alias
revealed this information.


>
> 2. I don't want to read those user emails from the command-line under ssh
> on the server. I want their email to come to me at home on kmail. So I need
> a way to fetch the mail inbox of 'help' from there to home.
You don't need a help mailbox - the alias takes care of it. You should be able 
to get kmail to filter on the To field to separate out help messages so that 
they stand out from the rest.

> This is where Dovecot or Courier seem to come in. I can't test this
> properly until I have an email waiting to be 'fetched'. (Step 1)
Choose one. I know nothing of Courier. Dovecot works for me but the choice, as 
always, is yours alone.

>
> 3. I want to reply to those user email from kmail too. For this you
> suggested a default 'reply-to' address on my usual ISP (gmail) address.
> Nice one. I will give it a go.
>
> 4. I don't want to run the risk of being an 'open relay' but with the
> complexity of email I am not sure I can avoid it... I will learn as I burn
> :)
Avoid it. I mean that. Really.

If you don't, you are liable to burn, or maybe get your domain black listed. 
That's not good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNSBL

If you initially tell postfix to act as an outgoing only server, I think you 
should be OK. The server at home was initially set up to relay mail from the 
local network only. I then had to add localhost to the list to get it to 
relay from itself when calling up the sendEmail program for auto notify 
messages. It then acts as an SMTP client to send out mail via the 
authenticated SMTP service at 1 and 1.

My router has no port forward set for incoming SMTP requests, so in effect 
it's firewalled out anyway.

> Don't even start on iptables! I think I'd sooner master ancient Latin...
> For now my server relies on the default settings of Ubuntu LTS and hope.
>
Much safer to play with iptables on a machine physically located next to your 
desk, until you know exactly what you're doing. I don't know exactly what I'm 
doing, so that's the only advice I'm going to offer on the subject.

Have fun, and remember "Google is your best mate"

Dave



From lanzenesi at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 10:10:19 2008
From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:10:19 +0100
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail
	in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <492215B3.4050504@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net>	<491FE231.2050606@gmail.com>	<491FE95C.3050807@sbcglobal.net>	<gfseb4$40h$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<492215B3.4050504@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4923E60B.2000602@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

>> 2. Now you should see the address book. Click on your address book to 
>> select it if it's not already.
> I found Import and Export in the Tools Menu.  Is vcf a file type like 
> .vcf?  I addressed it as Personal Address Book.vcf and it disappeared.  
> It was supposed to go into /steven
> 

Bearing in mind that this is only one of the ways to go about it, it
creates a folder, in your case a *Personal Address Book* folder, and,
inside, your *named_as_in_Thunderbird.vcf* containing all your TB contacts.

>>  The name usually is "Personal Address 
>> Book" if you haven't changed it. Now right click it and a menu comes up.

> Right Click what?  I am stopped at this point.  I am sorry to be so 
> stupid, but I wasn't kidding when I wrote the initial email.  Please 
> don't give up on me?

Select and then right click on the address book you want to export. 
There is usually one or two - the second being the "collected addresses" 
one - but you could have more if you created some, but I guess it's not 
your case.

Once it's done, proceed to point 3.

-- 
lanzen




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 10:55:03 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:55:03 -0500
Subject: Just when I was starting to be OK with KDE 4...
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Hans Henry von Tresckow
<hvontres at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was informed that the 8.04 KDE4 ppa was not going to be maintained much
>> more.
>>

>> Now I have stopped complaining about the default being kde4 before it is
>> ready, and I am just testing kde4 in hardy until it feels ready to upgrade.
>> Now, not only is kubuntu 8.10 released with an immature kde, but I can no
>> longer test the "beta" kde4 in 8.04.
>>
>> I simply don't know what's going on.  The devs seem to have thumbed their
>> noses at regular users with their 8.10 decisions, and now they tell me I
>> can't do what everyone defending the 8.10 decision tells me to do — stick
>> with 8.04 and test until ready.  What a PR debacle for Open Source and Linux.

> Well, one other option would be to carve out a small test partition
> and use that to test Intrepid while you wait for KDE4 to stabiize.
> That is the track I am using right now. That way you also avoid seeing
> problems that may or may not be caused by issues between KDE 3.5 and
> KDE 4.xx. Just my $.02 of course

I have a test PC I can try it on again.  I tried it before in late
October, but I couldn't get  a viewable screen resolution, so I blew
it out and installed Debian Lenny.  My plan was to use Lenny for KDE 3
and upgrade my Kubuntu production machine once KDE 4 was production
ready.  I thought I would be able to tell from booting KDE 4 in Hardy,
but now this option is available.

-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:18:27 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:18:27 +0100
Subject: Minor problems with Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <4923E202.7060901@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk> <gg0j7k$8ui$1@ger.gmane.org>
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2008/11/19 Wulfy <wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk>:
> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> I am switching desktops with ctrl+F(no. of Desktop).
>>
>> This has been working for ages and it also works on KDE4. If you need to
>> change it to your likings, Systemsettings/Keyboard+Mouse (translated
>> from a german KDE4) should get you there.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Eberhard
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks, Eberhard.
>
> Yes, I can do that.  It's just that my fingers have learned <cvtrl><ta>
> and it's frustrating to find it doesn't work!  :@(
>
> One more thing that's wrong...  when I run System Settings (ugh, I much
> prefered Kcontrol!) and click on Keyboard+Mouse, it freezes!  Which is
> why I couldn't find the d**n settings I needed!
>

When i klick the "keyboard shortcuts" in system settings it freezes
for about 15 sec and i have a fast computer. On a slower i guess it
could take up to a minute to load the damn settings. I don't know why,
it must be a bug.

/ Jonas



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Wed Nov 19 11:27:40 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:27:40 +0100
Subject: Minor problems with Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <4923E202.7060901@tiscali.co.uk>
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Wulfy wrote:
> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> I am switching desktops with ctrl+F(no. of Desktop).
>>
>> This has been working for ages and it also works on KDE4. If you need to
>> change it to your likings, Systemsettings/Keyboard+Mouse (translated 
>> from a german KDE4) should get you there.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Eberhard
>>
>>
>>   
> Thanks, Eberhard.
> 
> Yes, I can do that.  It's just that my fingers have learned <cvtrl><ta> 
> and it's frustrating to find it doesn't work!  :@(
> 
> One more thing that's wrong...  when I run System Settings (ugh, I much 
> prefered Kcontrol!) and click on Keyboard+Mouse, it freezes!  Which is 
> why I couldn't find the d**n settings I needed!
> 
> <sigh> Hurry up KDE4.2!  :@)
> 
Wulfy,

this is weird. My systems settings luckily do not freeze (as far as I 
can see). If you happen to have another Linux Computer, you could try 
from remote with ssh -X, also I do not know, whether this will work, if 
it crashes locally.

KDE4.2 will be what we always wanted from the beginning and hope never 
dies. ;-)

Kind regards
Eberhard




From basroufs at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:28:10 2008
From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:28:10 +0100
Subject: The Rise of KDE 4 and 8.10
In-Reply-To: <1227085256.9624.0.camel@tai.ji>
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Dear everybody

Wholeheartedly, I agree with those who have written so far in this
thread. I have been working with Kubuntu 8.10 ever since about one
month now. Also I managed to 'customise' Dolphin in such a way that I
can work with it now. There are still some points of attention I am
dealing with in Dolphin and elsewhere in Kubuntu 8.10. But not
everything needs to be perfect at once. Paris and Rome have not been
constructed in one day :-).... Moreover I see the progress thanks to
the updates provided to us by many hard working soft ware designers. A
big thank you to all those who are dealing with 'Ibex'.

Respectfully Yours,

Bas.


-- 
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NL-3514 VT  Utrecht
M. +31.6.446.835.10
T. +31.30.785.20.40
BasRoufs at gmail.com
===============



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:47:05 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:47:05 +0200
Subject: Minor problems with Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk>
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> 2) When I write an e-mail, my plasmoids flash!  Clock and system monitor
> on the bar at the bottom (what used to be Klipper...)

try to open an openoffice.org page, move your mouse over the bottom
bar, does this flashing also happen? if yes, this could be the same
bug i'm having. i think Dotan said this is a known bug, i'm not sure
if he was referring to this or only the flashing notification icons.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:52:55 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:52:55 +0200
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
In-Reply-To: <200811191006.33721.dave@thefletchers.net>
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Dave, thanks for all the tips. I will see what I can do with google!

\d



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:51:19 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:51:19 +0200
Subject: broken bluetooth after upgrade to 8.10
In-Reply-To: <3705159.XrBCpZsOYX@cedar.serverforest.com>
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2008/11/18 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> Then the low-level tools like hcitool have to work - which is my point.
> _This_ problem is not a Kubuntu one.  Kubuntu may not be able to support
> the KDE bluetooth interfaces, but hcitool is not "packaged together"
> with Kubuntu.

hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ locate hcitool
/usr/bin/hcitool
/usr/share/man/man1/hcitool.1.gz
hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$

And I do not remember ever installing it separately.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From alencar at paulofreire.org  Wed Nov 19 11:53:52 2008
From: alencar at paulofreire.org (Alencar)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:53:52 -0200
Subject: The fall of KDE?
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From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 12:09:35 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:09:35 +0700
Subject: The Rise of KDE 4 and 8.10
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On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Bas Roufs <basroufs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear everybody
>
> Paris and Rome have not been
> constructed in one day :-)....
>

Only because I was not the foreman on either of those jobs :)

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From d.mcglone at att.net  Wed Nov 19 12:27:42 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:27:42 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
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On Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:50:10 pm lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
> Steve, did you get my email this morning? (Aussie time)
>
> --
> Lindsay Mathieson
> http://album.mathieson.org.nz/
>
> --- Original message ---
> Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
> From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: 19/11/2008  4:39 AM
>
>  If anyone using AT:T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also uses
> Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to use
> Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems, however
> cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been using
> Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my settings for
> TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I applied and DON'T work
> for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of the screen print is
> too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so if you will contact me
> off post, I will send the screen print, and perhaps you can get me running.
>  Once repaired, I will report the cure on the forum and show the post as
> SOLVED so that others can benefit from the instruction. TIA.    Also, On
> the second page of the configuration for Kmail which does not show on the
> screen print, I have selected SSL, which is required. 
> stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net

Make sure "server requires authentication" is checked and your username and 
password are entered into the boxes, also make sure you are using port 995.
-- 
David M.



From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 12:28:56 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:28:56 +0100
Subject: rsync home to new partition
In-Reply-To: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
References: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
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2008/11/18  <list at loampitsfarm.co.uk>:
> After fooling around with rdiff as su I've fouled up my installation of
> Kubuntu. No worries as I've reinstalled in a newly created partition sda6
> mounted as root. The old root partition, sda1 is visible and mounts at
> /media/disk.
>
> Now before I foul up again I'd like a bit of help with the command line to
> rsync the user files from the old home directory to the current home
> directory without copying any hidden or system files.
>
> It'll be along the lines of
> rsync "?" v /home /media/disk/home
>
rsync has a exclude option "--exclude" that you could use to exclude
hidden files.

rsync -r --exclude '.*' src dest

> Next step how to reclaim the space in sda1?
>

Something wrong with the rm command?

/ Jonas



From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 12:33:55 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:33:55 +0200
Subject: The fall of KDE?
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Alencar wrote:
> Good morning everyone!
> 
> It is my first time posting to the list and i ask patience if I mistake 
> in written. I am Anderson Alencar from Brazil, São Paulo. I work at a 
> non-governamental organization called Instituto Paulo Freire. We use 
> Kubuntu here since the migration of almost all our computers, at least 
> eighty computers running just Kubuntu...
> 
> Unfortunetly, we were also sad about the selection of KDE4 for Intrepid. 
> We tested it in our lab and realized that we needed to give another 
> formation (training) for the teams learn how to use the KDE4 and we also 
> had problems with stability. It is not too simple after being used to KDE3.
> 
> Is it insane to propose a new compilation of the Kubuntu Intrepid with 
> KDE3? We could have an Intrepid with KDE3 and with KDE4 so people could 
> choose which one they would like to use and keep on preparing themselves 
> to use the fourth version...
> 
> These are the most sincere considerations of those who enjoy a lot 
> Kubuntu and don't wanna have a outdated system...
> 
Read this post on ubuntuforums.org, I have not tried myself:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695&highlight=kde



From dave at thefletchers.net  Wed Nov 19 12:41:31 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:41:31 +0000
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
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References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
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On Wednesday 19 November 2008 12:27:42 David McGlone wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:50:10 pm lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
> > Steve, did you get my email this morning? (Aussie time)
> >
> > --
> > Lindsay Mathieson
> > http://album.mathieson.org.nz/
> >
> > --- Original message ---
> > Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
> > From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Date: 19/11/2008  4:39 AM
> >
> >  If anyone using AT:T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also uses
> > Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to use
> > Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems,
> > however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been
> > using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my
> > settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I applied
> > and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of
> > the screen print is too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so if
> > you will contact me off post, I will send the screen print, and perhaps
> > you can get me running. Once repaired, I will report the cure on the
> > forum and show the post as SOLVED so that others can benefit from the
> > instruction. TIA.    Also, On the second page of the configuration for
> > Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I have selected SSL, which
> > is required.
> > stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
>
> Make sure "server requires authentication" is checked and your username and
> password are entered into the boxes, also make sure you are using port 995.
> --
> David M.

Isn't port 995 for use with POP over SSL? When having problems with sending 
email, I've found that using the alternate port 587 normally does the trick. 
For instance, trying to use 1&1's authenticated SMTP service out of an Orange 
broadband connection does not work on port 25 because they block it, but it's 
fine if you tell kmail to use port 587 instead.

Dave




From d.mcglone at att.net  Wed Nov 19 12:44:51 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:44:51 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<200811190727.42374.d.mcglone@att.net>
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Message-ID: <200811190744.52030.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 7:41:31 am David Fletcher wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 12:27:42 David McGlone wrote:
> > On Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:50:10 pm lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
> > > Steve, did you get my email this morning? (Aussie time)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lindsay Mathieson
> > > http://album.mathieson.org.nz/
> > >
> > > --- Original message ---
> > > Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
> > > From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
> > > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > > Date: 19/11/2008  4:39 AM
> > >
> > >  If anyone using AT:T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also
> > > uses Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided
> > > to use Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without
> > > problems, however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I
> > > have been using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a
> > > screenprint of my settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the
> > > settings I applied and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the
> > > screen.  The size of the screen print is too big for posting, which is
> > > limited to 40kb, so if you will contact me off post, I will send the
> > > screen print, and perhaps you can get me running. Once repaired, I will
> > > report the cure on the forum and show the post as SOLVED so that others
> > > can benefit from the instruction. TIA.    Also, On the second page of
> > > the configuration for Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I
> > > have selected SSL, which is required.
> > > stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
> >
> > Make sure "server requires authentication" is checked and your username
> > and password are entered into the boxes, also make sure you are using
> > port 995. --
> > David M.
>
> Isn't port 995 for use with POP over SSL? When having problems with sending
> email, I've found that using the alternate port 587 normally does the
> trick. For instance, trying to use 1&1's authenticated SMTP service out of
> an Orange broadband connection does not work on port 25 because they block
> it, but it's fine if you tell kmail to use port 587 instead.

Ah man my bad. You're right, I meant to say port 465.

-- 
David M.



From alencar at paulofreire.org  Wed Nov 19 12:45:56 2008
From: alencar at paulofreire.org (Alencar)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:45:56 -0200
Subject: The fall of KDE?
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From girardhenri at free.fr  Wed Nov 19 13:07:36 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:07:36 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
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	<49233579.50902@gmail.com>
	<b6c687af0811181349m6b7eb146n85fb8c815ee8db66@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811190000q15373e87j32a64126d7f700ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4923FE50.2010205@paulofreire.org>  <492407B3.1080307@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1227100056.26748.7.camel@tai.ji>

if you do it ... Don't worry for kde4 :) lol
you can always install kde-nightly ...(soon kde4.2)
as it installs in /opt/kde-nightly



Le mercredi 19 novembre 2008 à 14:33 +0200, O. Sinclair a écrit :
> Alencar wrote:
> > Good morning everyone!
> > 
> > It is my first time posting to the list and i ask patience if I mistake 
> > in written. I am Anderson Alencar from Brazil, São Paulo. I work at a 
> > non-governamental organization called Instituto Paulo Freire. We use 
> > Kubuntu here since the migration of almost all our computers, at least 
> > eighty computers running just Kubuntu...
> > 
> > Unfortunetly, we were also sad about the selection of KDE4 for Intrepid. 
> > We tested it in our lab and realized that we needed to give another 
> > formation (training) for the teams learn how to use the KDE4 and we also 
> > had problems with stability. It is not too simple after being used to KDE3.
> > 
> > Is it insane to propose a new compilation of the Kubuntu Intrepid with 
> > KDE3? We could have an Intrepid with KDE3 and with KDE4 so people could 
> > choose which one they would like to use and keep on preparing themselves 
> > to use the fourth version...
> > 
> > These are the most sincere considerations of those who enjoy a lot 
> > Kubuntu and don't wanna have a outdated system...
> > 
> Read this post on ubuntuforums.org, I have not tried myself:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695&highlight=kde
> 




From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 13:33:22 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:33:22 +0200
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <49240A84.7000109@paulofreire.org>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811181224y659de1a1w628c39afa3159b7c@mail.gmail.com>	<49233579.50902@gmail.com>	<b6c687af0811181349m6b7eb146n85fb8c815ee8db66@mail.gmail.com>	<f495db580811190000q15373e87j32a64126d7f700ba@mail.gmail.com>	<4923FE50.2010205@paulofreire.org>	<492407B3.1080307@gmail.com>
	<49240A84.7000109@paulofreire.org>
Message-ID: <492415A2.4050901@gmail.com>

Alencar wrote:
> Hi Sinclair!
> 
> Thanks for the link! I already did it at my home, but I got a lot of 
> problems. Although, it is working. I followed exactly this post.
> 
> What I expect, if it is possible and interest others, is a new 
> compilation. I really don't know if it is fair or not...
> 
clearly there is an interest but as to how it would be set up, 
configured and maintained is a different problem altogether



From basroufs at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 13:40:31 2008
From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:40:31 +0100
Subject: The Rise of KDE 4 and 8.10
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811190409x55792de2x89038f1ca9b3c69e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <492377f6.1c89.b6cbdb90.2af8fda@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<gg0igo$5jc$2@ger.gmane.org> <1227085256.9624.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<c638edc20811190328i3a0caa8bp9a238d64b4c996d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<8f6eb7340811190409x55792de2x89038f1ca9b3c69e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c638edc20811190540x1ba48dd3od12c010e07e1c654@mail.gmail.com>

>> Paris and Rome have not been
>> constructed in one day :-)....
>
> Only because I was not the foreman on either of those jobs :)

:-)!



-- 
===============
Viaconsensus
Bas G. Roufs M.A.
Van 't Hoffstraat 1
NL-3514 VT  Utrecht
M. +31.6.446.835.10
T. +31.30.785.20.40
BasRoufs at gmail.com
===============



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 13:41:29 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:41:29 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <gg0i1j$5jc$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811181224y659de1a1w628c39afa3159b7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<49233579.50902@gmail.com>
	<b6c687af0811181349m6b7eb146n85fb8c815ee8db66@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811190000q15373e87j32a64126d7f700ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<gg0i1j$5jc$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <f495db580811190541o293059a7see7851d1b7fd830d@mail.gmail.com>

> So it was not KDE that forced Ubuntu to offer 8.10 with solely KDE 4.
> Who forced them?

I have no idea if it was force or just a simple desire of the Kubuntu
Devs to play with something new. Problem is that many need this to
work in a professional way. I would be happy to hear that you don't
need to change to 8.10 because 8.04 is long term support but in their
rush to KDE4 they even messed up the LTS of Kubuntu 8.04.

I know as a programmer that it is  alot of work to upgrade to a lib
that is still full of errors. You do something the way the manual says
to do it and it does not work, so then you are asking yourself how you
could have made a mistake and spend a lot of time to find out that you
did not, it is just a fault of the new lib that has not been fixed
yet. If they wait until it is very sold they would find it easier to
switch to KDE4. Naturally this is just theory.

Hope this makes sense, I am way sick today.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From gloonie at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 19 14:16:23 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:16:23 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <49240A84.7000109@paulofreire.org>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<492407B3.1080307@gmail.com> <49240A84.7000109@paulofreire.org>
Message-ID: <200811190916.24138.gloonie@earthlink.net>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 07:45:56 Alencar wrote:
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
> <html>
> <head>
>   <meta content="text/html;charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>   <title></title>
> </head>
> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
> Hi Sinclair!<br>
> <br>
> Thanks for the link! I already did it at my home, but I got a lot of
> problems. Although, it is working. I followed exactly this post.<br>
> <br>
> What I expect, if it is possible and interest others, is a new
> compilation. I really don't know if it is fair or not... <br>
> <br>
> Alencar<br>
> <br>
> O. Sinclair escreveu:
> <blockquote cite="mid:492407B3.1080307 at gmail.com" type="cite">
>   <pre wrap="">Alencar wrote:
>   </pre>
>   <blockquote type="cite">
>     <pre wrap="">Good morning everyone!
>
> It is my first time posting to the list and i ask patience if I mistake
> in written. I am Anderson Alencar from Brazil, S&atilde;o Paulo. I work at
> a non-governamental organization called Instituto Paulo Freire. We use
> Kubuntu here since the migration of almost all our computers, at least
> eighty computers running just Kubuntu...
>
> Unfortunetly, we were also sad about the selection of KDE4 for Intrepid.
> We tested it in our lab and realized that we needed to give another
> formation (training) for the teams learn how to use the KDE4 and we also
> had problems with stability. It is not too simple after being used to KDE3.
>
> Is it insane to propose a new compilation of the Kubuntu Intrepid with
> KDE3? We could have an Intrepid with KDE3 and with KDE4 so people could
> choose which one they would like to use and keep on preparing themselves
> to use the fourth version...
>
> These are the most sincere considerations of those who enjoy a lot
> Kubuntu and don't wanna have a outdated system...
>
>     </pre>
>   </blockquote>
>   <pre wrap=""><!---->Read this post on ubuntuforums.org, I have not tried
> myself: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695&highlight=kde">http:/
>/ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695&amp;highlight=kde</a>
>
>   </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </body>
> </html>

Hi Anderson,

Welcome to the list! One request: please turn off HTML messages and send emails 
as plain text. It makes it easier to read.

Thanks,

Glenn



From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 14:18:12 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:18:12 +0000
Subject: Minor problems with Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <gg0t7a$856$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk>
	<gg0j7k$8ui$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4923E202.7060901@tiscali.co.uk>
	<gg0t7a$856$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <49242024.3080308@tiscali.co.uk>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Wulfy wrote:
>   
>> Yes, I can do that.  It's just that my fingers have learned <cvtrl><ta> 
>> and it's frustrating to find it doesn't work!  :@(
>>
>> One more thing that's wrong...  when I run System Settings (ugh, I much 
>> prefered Kcontrol!) and click on Keyboard+Mouse, it freezes!  Which is 
>> why I couldn't find the d**n settings I needed!
>>
>> <sigh> Hurry up KDE4.2!  :@)
>>
>>     
> Wulfy,
>
> this is weird. My systems settings luckily do not freeze (as far as I 
> can see). If you happen to have another Linux Computer, you could try 
> from remote with ssh -X, also I do not know, whether this will work, if 
> it crashes locally.
>
> KDE4.2 will be what we always wanted from the beginning and hope never 
> dies. ;-)
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
Sadly, I only have one computer so ssh-ing in is not possible.  :@(

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 14:20:54 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:20:54 +0000
Subject: Minor problems with Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811190347s5fb10865l97735619fe939efa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk>
	<15edeae40811190347s5fb10865l97735619fe939efa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492420C6.2000101@tiscali.co.uk>

Willy Hamra wrote:
>> 2) When I write an e-mail, my plasmoids flash!  Clock and system monitor
>> on the bar at the bottom (what used to be Klipper...)
>>     
>
> try to open an openoffice.org page, move your mouse over the bottom
> bar, does this flashing also happen? if yes, this could be the same
> bug i'm having. i think Dotan said this is a known bug, i'm not sure
> if he was referring to this or only the flashing notification icons.
>
>   
Yep.  I opened an OO document and the plasmoids flash! hmmmm....

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 14:34:05 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:34:05 +0000
Subject: Minor problems with Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811190318n32e68978hc8364a2be2b96ef8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk>
	<gg0j7k$8ui$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4923E202.7060901@tiscali.co.uk>
	<b8d784880811190318n32e68978hc8364a2be2b96ef8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492423DD.1060605@tiscali.co.uk>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/19 Wulfy <wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk>:
>   
>> Thanks, Eberhard.
>>
>> Yes, I can do that.  It's just that my fingers have learned <cvtrl><ta>
>> and it's frustrating to find it doesn't work!  :@(
>>
>> One more thing that's wrong...  when I run System Settings (ugh, I much
>> prefered Kcontrol!) and click on Keyboard+Mouse, it freezes!  Which is
>> why I couldn't find the d**n settings I needed!
>>
>>     
>
> When i klick the "keyboard shortcuts" in system settings it freezes
> for about 15 sec and i have a fast computer. On a slower i guess it
> could take up to a minute to load the damn settings. I don't know why,
> it must be a bug.
>
> / Jonas
>
>   
I clicked on it and waited for several minutes and it still didn't let 
me go to the keyboard shortcuts.

I have an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+  so it's not a 
slouch in speed...

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 14:40:19 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:40:19 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492332B8.7010700@sbcglobal.net>
	<25573416.ds7yLPXF40@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<49239422.90604@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3843502.Knumr9ojDs@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:

>> KWallet is pretty simple.  Every KDE app that asks for a password
>> should be able to use the wallet.  The first time in your KDE session
>> thatan app asks for a password, you will have to give kwallet's
>> password - which can be as simple or difficult as you want.  Obviously, 
>> more complex is more secure.  After that, depending on configuration, 
>> it may never ask
>> for the kwallet password again until you logoff again. 
>>   
> OK.  If I use Kwallet.  It ask for the new password.  I place the
> password in Kwallet.  Then later I enter an area that requires a
> password.  Do I have to open Kwallet to be reminded what the password
> is, 

What would be the point of that?  As long as KWallet is open - which 
will be most of the time after login - you never give it another 
password.  Paranoid people set the wallet to close after "N" minutes, 
and I don't know what the default is, but I'm fairly sure it never 
closes until you log off.

Another thing is that sometimes you enter a site through more than one 
URL and while it remembers your username/password for one, it doesn't 
know the other is related.  You just open the wallet, type part of the 
url into the "Search" box, and it lists the passwords and form data it 
has - you find the one for the page you've already saved and cut and 
paste into the new page, so I can now afford to use more random passwords 
for random sites, as I can look them up in the wallet.

-- 
derek




From shavital at mac.com  Wed Nov 19 14:49:04 2008
From: shavital at mac.com (Charly Avital)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:49:04 -0500
Subject: Firefox 2.0.0.14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16136.1227101602.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
References: <mailman.16136.1227101602.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <49242760.3080005@mac.com>

I am a Linux inexperienced user, I thank the forum in advance for
patience and help.

I am running Kubuntu 8.10 under virtual ware VMware Fusion for the Mac,
version 2.0.1., on a Macbook AL ("Late 2008"), Intel Processor Core2Duo.

Synaptic Package Manager indicates that Firefox 3.0.4 is installed.
There is no mention of Firefox 2.0.0.14.

Nevertheless when I launch Firefox Web Browser, the browser that
launches shows version:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404
Firefox/2.0.0.14

How can I remove 2.0.0.14, and use the current 3.0.4? "Add/Remove" does
not help.

Charly
MacOSX 10.5.5 - Ubuntu 8.10 (under virtual ware) - GnuPG 1.4.9 - gpg2
2.0.9 - Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 - Enigmail 0.96.a
Timestamp: Wednesday 19 November 2008, 09:48 AM --500 (EST)








From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 14:41:49 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:41:49 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00811181212o7a94b1a0vb781cad21b47b477@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811181224y659de1a1w628c39afa3159b7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<49233579.50902@gmail.com>
	<b6c687af0811181349m6b7eb146n85fb8c815ee8db66@mail.gmail.com>
	<f495db580811190000q15373e87j32a64126d7f700ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<4923FE50.2010205@paulofreire.org> <492407B3.1080307@gmail.com>
	<49240A84.7000109@paulofreire.org>
Message-ID: <11278596.PUB6ZhUZkW@cedar.serverforest.com>

Alencar wrote:

> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

Please don't post HTML
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 14:51:41 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:51:41 -0400
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
References: <49239808.50207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <10977050.j4ep1zE1kj@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> If anyone using AT&T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also
> uses
> Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to
> use
> Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems,
> however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been
> using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my
> settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I
> applied
> and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of
> the screen print is too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so

convert is your friend...

> Also, On the second page of the configuration for
> Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I have selected SSL,
> which is required.  stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net

_Don't_ select SSL.  What some people call "SSL" is really TLS.  Instead 
on the "Security" tab, click on "Check what server supports".
-- 
derek




From charioteer7 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 15:03:09 2008
From: charioteer7 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Bays)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:03:09 -0500
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
In-Reply-To: <200811191352.55925.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811190842.26204.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811191006.33721.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<200811191352.55925.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <646a014e0811190703g1406a0eq8f41cf940e377c77@mail.gmail.com>

Donn:
Try this tutorial from slicehost out. It describes how to set up iptables.
 I did, and have a Hardy server running nicely on my virtual slice:

http://articles.slicehost.com/2008/4/25/ubuntu-hardy-setup-page-1

For the iptables to save, you will need to use this syntax, sudo alone
is not enough:

sudo su -c "iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up.rules"

I recommend both slicehost and their great tutorials for setting up
web servers on Ubuntu.
Check them out.


Cheers,


Geoffrey Bays

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Donn <donn.ingle at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave, thanks for all the tips. I will see what I can do with google!
>
> \d
>
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From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 14:46:48 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:46:48 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<1297223.X5kiHoTf2k@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811190818.30718.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <21177742.3Y3oUylBcv@cedar.serverforest.com>

nepal google wrote:

> For example, I have five different email accounts that I use
> for various reasons, I don't want to have to type in five
> different passwords each day I log in to my pc, that I do
> not find useful, yes I am lazy. If there is only one
> password entry to make for the entire session until I log
> out again, even that is still one more entry than I have to
> make at present, I will reconsider. Is that the case?

It depends what you're using for email - if it's not kmail, then it 
doesn't use the wallet, but if it is kmail, your passwords are being 
stored insecurely (oh, actually, that could have changed in KDE4 - in 
3.5 they were stored in kmailrc)

KWallet _does_ need a little training.  The first time KMail tries to get 
a password from the wallet, you'll be asked if it should be allowed to 
access the wallet (just this time, or forever).  Then when Konqueror 
needs a form password, you'll be asked again, etc.
-- 
derek




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Wed Nov 19 15:30:26 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:30:26 +0100
Subject: Minor problems with Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <49242024.3080308@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4923962B.2010202@tiscali.co.uk>	<gg0j7k$8ui$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4923E202.7060901@tiscali.co.uk>	<gg0t7a$856$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<49242024.3080308@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <gg1bei$rgs$1@ger.gmane.org>

Wulfy wrote:
>> Wulfy,
>>
>> this is weird. My systems settings luckily do not freeze (as far as I 
>> can see). If you happen to have another Linux Computer, you could try 
>> from remote with ssh -X, also I do not know, whether this will work, if 
>> it crashes locally.
>>
>> KDE4.2 will be what we always wanted from the beginning and hope never 
>> dies. ;-)
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Eberhard
> Sadly, I only have one computer so ssh-ing in is not possible.  :@(
> 

Well actually it is.

You could start a second X-session, maybe with icewm, openbox or 
xfce..., and then ssh -X to localhost.
I did this several times when I could not find an easy way to operate an 
X-application as root. Admittedly, on Ubuntu, I simply use "sudo 
synaptic", for example.

However, I cannot guarantee that it will help with your problem. ;-)
Kind regards
Eberhard




From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 15:29:32 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:29:32 +0200
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
In-Reply-To: <646a014e0811190703g1406a0eq8f41cf940e377c77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811191352.55925.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<646a014e0811190703g1406a0eq8f41cf940e377c77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811191729.33140.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 17:03:09 Geoffrey Bays wrote:
> For the iptables 
Goeff, thanks I will go have a gander -- but the email system is the thing I 
am trying to nail at the moment. I have a small brain and it's all I can do 
to keep the walls clean and free of bits of sploded cranium fallout :D

\d



From charioteer7 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 15:44:41 2008
From: charioteer7 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Bays)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:44:41 -0500
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
In-Reply-To: <200811191729.33140.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811191352.55925.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<646a014e0811190703g1406a0eq8f41cf940e377c77@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811191729.33140.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <646a014e0811190744l20a471a7u894fa7fbb2b6f656@mail.gmail.com>

Donn:

Slicehost also has tutorials on setting up email, using Postfix,I believe.

Geoffrey

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Donn <donn.ingle at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 17:03:09 Geoffrey Bays wrote:
>> For the iptables
> Goeff, thanks I will go have a gander -- but the email system is the thing I
> am trying to nail at the moment. I have a small brain and it's all I can do
> to keep the walls clean and free of bits of sploded cranium fallout :D
>
> \d
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>



From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 15:55:46 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:55:46 +0200
Subject: Call for email server help (kind of OT)
In-Reply-To: <646a014e0811190744l20a471a7u894fa7fbb2b6f656@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811181615.27285.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811191729.33140.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<646a014e0811190744l20a471a7u894fa7fbb2b6f656@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811191755.47633.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 17:44:41 Geoffrey Bays wrote:
> Slicehost also has tutorials on setting up email, using Postfix,I believe.
I just saw them -- what a lot of info! I am off to read. Expect replies in, 
oh..., five to ten years! :)

Thanks for the great link.

\d



From chief at porterfire.org  Wed Nov 19 16:01:19 2008
From: chief at porterfire.org (Michael W. Holdeman)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:01:19 -0500
Subject: The Rise of KDE 4 and 8.10
Message-ID: <200811191101.19293.lists@ptfd.org>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 03:24:59 Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
> > So a big thanks to the KDE developers and the Kubuntu maintainers, I
> > think you made the right choices and are doing a great job, kudos to
> > you. I'm really excited about the new directions for KDE and Kubuntu.
> >
> > --
> > Lindsay Mathieson
> > http://album.mathieson.org.nz/
>
> I would like to second this. I am also using Kubuntu Intrepid full time
> and I it is simply great!
>
> Thank you very much for a very good distro and keep up the good work.
>
> Eberhard
Here as well,
On 3 of my production desktops, at home for the kids homeschooling are running 
kubuntu intrepid, My laptop just needing to wait for the Bluetooth resolution 
to fix my mouse as I refuse to regress on that issue even for a week, then it 
will be intrepid as well. I have been using kde4 since beta on my production 
laptop and have gotten to like it very much.

Mike
-- 
Michael W. Holdeman
Chief
Porter Fire Department

Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta
http://kubuntu.org





From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 16:28:02 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:28:02 -0500
Subject: Just when I was starting to be OK with KDE 4...
In-Reply-To: <555456952.573141227044939766.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <555456952.573141227044939766.JavaMail.root@sz0131a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200811191128.07283.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 18 November 2008 4:48:59 pm pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote:
> If you do decide to upgrade to 8.10, you probably want to rename ~/.kde and
> ~/.kde4 so your new ~/.kde directory (for v. 4.1.x) isn't confounded by old
> config settings.

Anyone considering doing this should be cautioned that they will lose any 
kontact data that isn't on an IMAP server or backed up.

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From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 19 16:32:59 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:32:59 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <21177742.3Y3oUylBcv@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811190818.30718.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<21177742.3Y3oUylBcv@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811191632.59593.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Wed 19 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> nepal google wrote:
> > For example, I have five different email accounts that
> > I use for various reasons, I don't want to have to type
> > in five different passwords each day I log in to my pc,
> > that I do not find useful, yes I am lazy. If there is
> > only one password entry to make for the entire session
> > until I log out again, even that is still one more
> > entry than I have to make at present, I will
> > reconsider. Is that the case?
>
> It depends what you're using for email - if it's not
> kmail, then it doesn't use the wallet, but if it is
> kmail, your passwords are being stored insecurely (oh,
> actually, that could have changed in KDE4 - in 3.5 they
> were stored in kmailrc)

but they are not directly viewable, they only show as a 
bunch of squares, btw, yes I am using KMail. 

> KWallet _does_ need a little training.  The first time
> KMail tries to get a password from the wallet, you'll be
> asked if it should be allowed to access the wallet (just
> this time, or forever).  Then when Konqueror needs a form
> password, you'll be asked again, etc. --
> derek

Well I've got it set up and activated, I went and reentered 
my email account passwords, all 5, but it only recorded two 
of them, I'll wait to see what happens after I've logged 
out and back in again. Generally I don't use Konq for web 
browsing so all my form data is in Firefox.

I'll see how it goes, but thanks, you got me to look again 
at KWallet. I'll see how it goes.

nepal.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 16:39:04 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:39:04 -0500
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail
	in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <4923E60B.2000602@gmail.com>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net>	<491FE231.2050606@gmail.com>	<491FE95C.3050807@sbcglobal.net>	<gfseb4$40h$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492215B3.4050504@sbcglobal.net>
	<4923E60B.2000602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49244128.9090103@sbcglobal.net>

lanzen wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>>> 2. Now you should see the address book. Click on your address book to 
>>> select it if it's not already.
>>>       
>> I found Import and Export in the Tools Menu.  Is vcf a file type like 
>> .vcf?  I addressed it as Personal Address Book.vcf and it disappeared.  
>> It was supposed to go into /steven
>>
>>     
>
> Bearing in mind that this is only one of the ways to go about it, it
> creates a folder, in your case a *Personal Address Book* folder, and,
> inside, your *named_as_in_Thunderbird.vcf* containing all your TB contacts.
>
>   
>>>  The name usually is "Personal Address 
>>> Book" if you haven't changed it. Now right click it and a menu comes up.
>>>       
>
>   
>> Right Click what?  I am stopped at this point.  I am sorry to be so 
>> stupid, but I wasn't kidding when I wrote the initial email.  Please 
>> don't give up on me?
>>     
>
> Select and then right click on the address book you want to export. 
> There is usually one or two - the second being the "collected addresses" 
> one - but you could have more if you created some, but I guess it's not 
> your case.
>
> Once it's done, proceed to point 3.
>
>   
I have now found and understand how to get to the page shown in the 
screen print, however, when I right-click on Personal Address Book, the 
box that opens gives the following choices - Propertied, New Card, and 
New List. 

I am looking for ,'proceed to point 3', where is it?  You see what I see 
in the screen print.

Please don't get too frustrated with my stupidity, I have to live with it.

Thanks for your continued patience,
Steven



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 19 16:41:01 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:41:01 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <21177742.3Y3oUylBcv@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811190818.30718.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<21177742.3Y3oUylBcv@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811191641.01823.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Wed 19 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> It depends what you're using for email - if it's not
> kmail,

I have another thanks for you Derek, with all this messing 
about with KMail, I've discovered some useful new things 
such as the view options in Composer. It bugs me that I 
send mails and then have to drag them from the sent-mail 
folder to the folder of the person I've sent them too. Now 
I've discovered I can choose *which* folder when I 
construct the mail as I've turned on the Sent-Mail folder 
selector! hehe, Great!!

nepal.




From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 16:54:53 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:54:53 +0200
Subject: Firefox 2.0.0.14
In-Reply-To: <49242760.3080005@mac.com>
References: <mailman.16136.1227101602.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
	<49242760.3080005@mac.com>
Message-ID: <200811191854.53915.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 16:49:04 Charly Avital wrote:
> Synaptic Package Manager indicates that Firefox 3.0.4 is installed.
> There is no mention of Firefox 2.0.0.14.
Are you sure it's 'Synaptic'? If so, there's a good chance you are using 
Ubuntu, not Kubuntu.

> Nevertheless when I launch Firefox Web Browser, the browser that
> launches shows version:
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404
> Firefox/2.0.0.14
There may be two versions installed. One is on the default path and runs 
when 'firefox' is issued. You can check the icon you use to launch it -- 
perhaps it will reveal something.

I don't know how you got two versions going at once unless you upgraded or 
someone else installed another version.

Open a command line and try this (don't type the $ sign)
$ which firefox
See what it says. That's the firefox it's running default.
Also:
$ locate firefox-bin
This should only give: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
If not you are seeing a second version too. Make a note of its path.

Get back to us after you know this info.

\d



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 16:55:31 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:55:31 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811190727.42374.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<200811190727.42374.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <49244503.9070100@sbcglobal.net>

David McGlone wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:50:10 pm lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
>   
>> Steve, did you get my email this morning? (Aussie time)
>>
>> --
>> Lindsay Mathieson
>> http://album.mathieson.org.nz/
>>
>> --- Original message ---
>> Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
>> From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Date: 19/11/2008  4:39 AM
>>
>>  If anyone using AT:T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also uses
>> Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to use
>> Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems, however
>> cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been using
>> Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my settings for
>> TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I applied and DON'T work
>> for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of the screen print is
>> too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so if you will contact me
>> off post, I will send the screen print, and perhaps you can get me running.
>>  Once repaired, I will report the cure on the forum and show the post as
>> SOLVED so that others can benefit from the instruction. TIA.    Also, On
>> the second page of the configuration for Kmail which does not show on the
>> screen print, I have selected SSL, which is required. 
>> stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
>>     
>
> Make sure "server requires authentication" is checked and your username and 
> password are entered into the boxes, also make sure you are using port 995.
>   
Thank you, I have selected SSL, rechecked username and password, and am 
using port 995.  It has to be something else.

Is it possible that it could be a kwallet problem.

I removed kwallet months ago.  I didn't think I needed it and did not 
understand it.  I always get a request anymore to secure my passwords in 
kwallet, however, since I re-installed it, I can find no way to 
configure it.  It doesn't show up anywhere in Kmenu.  When I press 
Alt+F2  and type in kwallet, I get 'Could not run the specified 
command'.  I do type in the password for the server though when the 
option shows itself, so that shouldn't be the problem.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 17:07:51 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:07:51 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>	<200811190727.42374.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <492447E7.4080801@sbcglobal.net>

David Fletcher wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 12:27:42 David McGlone wrote:
>   
>> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:50:10 pm lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
>>     
>>> Steve, did you get my email this morning? (Aussie time)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lindsay Mathieson
>>> http://album.mathieson.org.nz/
>>>
>>> --- Original message ---
>>> Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
>>> From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>> Date: 19/11/2008  4:39 AM
>>>
>>>  If anyone using AT:T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also uses
>>> Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to use
>>> Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems,
>>> however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been
>>> using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my
>>> settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I applied
>>> and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of
>>> the screen print is too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so if
>>> you will contact me off post, I will send the screen print, and perhaps
>>> you can get me running. Once repaired, I will report the cure on the
>>> forum and show the post as SOLVED so that others can benefit from the
>>> instruction. TIA.    Also, On the second page of the configuration for
>>> Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I have selected SSL, which
>>> is required.
>>> stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
>>>       
>> Make sure "server requires authentication" is checked and your username and
>> password are entered into the boxes, also make sure you are using port 995.
>> --
>> David M.
>>     
>
> Isn't port 995 for use with POP over SSL? When having problems with sending 
> email, I've found that using the alternate port 587 normally does the trick. 
> For instance, trying to use 1&1's authenticated SMTP service out of an Orange 
> broadband connection does not work on port 25 because they block it, but it's 
> fine if you tell kmail to use port 587 instead.
>   
Port is 465 for smtp and 995 for pop.  I tried 587; the test email went 
to the Outbox.  Couldn't make connection with the server.  I am getting 
more convinced it is a kwallet problem.  And I cannot configure Kwallet, 
it says it is installed, but I can't find it.  I am going into my saved 
emails, there is a way to use something called 'locate', but I can't 
remember what to type in.  I saved an email about that.  Thanks everyone.
> Dave
>
>
>   




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Wed Nov 19 17:12:10 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:12:10 -0600
Subject: Package Managers
Message-ID: <492448EA.6010701@swbell.net>

Don wrote:
> On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 16:49:04 Charly Avital wrote:
>   
>> > Synaptic Package Manager indicates that Firefox 3.0.4 is installed.
>> > There is no mention of Firefox 2.0.0.14.
>>     
> Are you sure it's 'Synaptic'? If so, there's a good chance you are using 
> Ubuntu, not Kubuntu.
>
>   

So as not to hijack another thread.

Something has been bothering me since I started playing around with 
8.10/4.x.

Why have they hosed Adept. It's about as worthless as .........well, you 
know what on a road grader. Sort of reminds me of Stupid Package Manager 
in SuSE [ sorry, that should be Smart - which it isn't ]

Thank goodness whoever decided what packages to install as default they 
included Synaptic. At least its still usable.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 17:20:40 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:20:40 -0500
Subject: How do I locate Kwallet configuration.
Message-ID: <49244AE8.9040507@sbcglobal.net>

Several months ago, I foolishly removed kwallet from my computer.  I 
want to rectify that mistake.  I have re-installed the package, however, 
I cannot find it in the Kmenu.  I attempted to open it by typing kwallet 
in the shell, also kdewallet, but that returned nothing.  If it is 
installed, how can locate, open, and configure it.  I think its 
installation will solve other problems I have.  TIA

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 17:22:48 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:22:48 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811190744.52030.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>	<200811190727.42374.d.mcglone@att.net>	<200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<200811190744.52030.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <49244B68.9010002@sbcglobal.net>

David McGlone wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 7:41:31 am David Fletcher wrote:
>   
>> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 12:27:42 David McGlone wrote:
>>     
>>> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:50:10 pm lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Steve, did you get my email this morning? (Aussie time)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lindsay Mathieson
>>>> http://album.mathieson.org.nz/
>>>>
>>>> --- Original message ---
>>>> Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
>>>> From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>> Date: 19/11/2008  4:39 AM
>>>>
>>>>  If anyone using AT:T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also
>>>> uses Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided
>>>> to use Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without
>>>> problems, however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I
>>>> have been using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a
>>>> screenprint of my settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the
>>>> settings I applied and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the
>>>> screen.  The size of the screen print is too big for posting, which is
>>>> limited to 40kb, so if you will contact me off post, I will send the
>>>> screen print, and perhaps you can get me running. Once repaired, I will
>>>> report the cure on the forum and show the post as SOLVED so that others
>>>> can benefit from the instruction. TIA.    Also, On the second page of
>>>> the configuration for Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I
>>>> have selected SSL, which is required.
>>>> stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
>>>>         
>>> Make sure "server requires authentication" is checked and your username
>>> and password are entered into the boxes, also make sure you are using
>>> port 995. --
>>> David M.
>>>       
>> Isn't port 995 for use with POP over SSL? When having problems with sending
>> email, I've found that using the alternate port 587 normally does the
>> trick. For instance, trying to use 1&1's authenticated SMTP service out of
>> an Orange broadband connection does not work on port 25 because they block
>> it, but it's fine if you tell kmail to use port 587 instead.
>>     
>
> Ah man my bad. You're right, I meant to say port 465.
>   
After reading that I rechecked and it is on 465.  I also tried 587.  No 
success.




From dave at thefletchers.net  Wed Nov 19 17:28:13 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:28:13 +0000
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <492447E7.4080801@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<492447E7.4080801@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811191728.14187.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 17:07:51 Steven Vollom wrote:
>
> Port is 465 for smtp and 995 for pop.  I tried 587; the test email went
> to the Outbox.  Couldn't make connection with the server.  I am getting
> more convinced it is a kwallet problem.  And I cannot configure Kwallet,
> it says it is installed, but I can't find it.  I am going into my saved
> emails, there is a way to use something called 'locate', but I can't
> remember what to type in.  I saved an email about that.  Thanks everyone.
>

You have actually got a kwallet? It should be in
~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet

and the kde default file name is kdewallet.kwl

If it's not there, use kwalletmanager to create a new wallet with the default 
name, then it should work.

BTW on my home computer I've used a different.kwl name for my wallet, then 
found the KDE setting somewhere to make it use that instead of the normal 
name. Then, I can have the normal, default wallet name on my laptop and any 
other computers I use, plus copy my other wallet file onto these machines as 
is and have all my bank account etc. passwords available without messing up 
WPA etc settings on the laptop machine.

Dave




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 17:31:10 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:31:10 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <3843502.Knumr9ojDs@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<1227000775.8081.0.camel@tai.ji>	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<492332B8.7010700@sbcglobal.net>	<25573416.ds7yLPXF40@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49239422.90604@sbcglobal.net>
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Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>     
>
>   
>>> KWallet is pretty simple.  Every KDE app that asks for a password
>>> should be able to use the wallet.  The first time in your KDE session
>>> thatan app asks for a password, you will have to give kwallet's
>>> password - which can be as simple or difficult as you want.  Obviously, 
>>> more complex is more secure.  After that, depending on configuration, 
>>> it may never ask
>>> for the kwallet password again until you logoff again. 
>>>   
>>>       
>> OK.  If I use Kwallet.  It ask for the new password.  I place the
>> password in Kwallet.  Then later I enter an area that requires a
>> password.  Do I have to open Kwallet to be reminded what the password
>> is, 
>>     
>
> What would be the point of that?  As long as KWallet is open - which 
> will be most of the time after login - you never give it another 
> password.  Paranoid people set the wallet to close after "N" minutes, 
> and I don't know what the default is, but I'm fairly sure it never 
> closes until you log off.
>
> Another thing is that sometimes you enter a site through more than one 
> URL and while it remembers your username/password for one, it doesn't 
> know the other is related.  You just open the wallet, type part of the 
> url into the "Search" box, and it lists the passwords and form data it 
> has - you find the one for the page you've already saved and cut and 
> paste into the new page, so I can now afford to use more random passwords 
> for random sites, as I can look them up in the wallet.
>   
You have me convinced, so how do I get it reinstalled.  After I 
reinstalled kwallet, I could not find it.  It is not in Kmenu.  I don't 
know how to use the shell, but I did try.  I typed in kwallet and it did 
not exist.  I tried kdewallet, same response.  I have already forgot how 
I did it, however I found it using 'locate' but could not understand how 
to get any of the items listed to open in a gui where I am more 
comfortable.  Can you help me with this new problem?




From paul at lemmons.name  Wed Nov 19 17:35:22 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:35:22 -0700
Subject: Firefox 2.0.0.14
In-Reply-To: <49242760.3080005@mac.com>
References: <mailman.16136.1227101602.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
	<49242760.3080005@mac.com>
Message-ID: <49244E5A.6090403@lemmons.name>

-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: Firefox 2.0.0.14
From: Charly Avital <shavital at mac.com>
To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Date: 11/19/2008 07:49 AM
> I am a Linux inexperienced user, I thank the forum in advance for
> patience and help.
>
> I am running Kubuntu 8.10 under virtual ware VMware Fusion for the Mac,
> version 2.0.1., on a Macbook AL ("Late 2008"), Intel Processor Core2Duo.
>
> Synaptic Package Manager indicates that Firefox 3.0.4 is installed.
> There is no mention of Firefox 2.0.0.14.
>
> Nevertheless when I launch Firefox Web Browser, the browser that
> launches shows version:
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404
> Firefox/2.0.0.14
>
> How can I remove 2.0.0.14, and use the current 3.0.4? "Add/Remove" does
> not help.
>
> Charly
> MacOSX 10.5.5 - Ubuntu 8.10 (under virtual ware) - GnuPG 1.4.9 - gpg2
> 2.0.9 - Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 - Enigmail 0.96.a
> Timestamp: Wednesday 19 November 2008, 09:48 AM --500 (EST)
>   
I am guessing but it sounds like you are still on Gutsy Gibbon. You may 
need to upgrade to Hardy Heron. Gutsy did not embrace FF 3.x. That came 
with Hardy.

Issue the command:

cat /etc/lsb-release

and see what it says. If it says Gutsy, you need to upgrade. If it days 
Hardy or Intrepid, other problems need to be addressed.

-- 
Sometimes I wonder.  Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it.

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From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 19 17:40:42 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:40:42 +0000
Subject: How do I locate Kwallet configuration.
In-Reply-To: <49244AE8.9040507@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49244AE8.9040507@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811191740.43132.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Wed 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> Several months ago, I foolishly removed kwallet from my
> computer.  I want to rectify that mistake.  I have
> re-installed the package, however, I cannot find it in
> the Kmenu.  I attempted to open it by typing kwallet in
> the shell, also kdewallet, but that returned nothing.  If
> it is installed, how can locate, open, and configure it. 
> I think its installation will solve other problems I
> have.  TIA
>
> Steven

from the menu select
help
application manuals
settings
wallet management tools

it is all explained in there. I read it this afternoon.

it is relatively simple to follow.

nepal.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 17:42:30 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:42:30 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <10977050.j4ep1zE1kj@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <49239808.50207@sbcglobal.net>
	<10977050.j4ep1zE1kj@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <49245006.907@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> If anyone using AT&T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also
>> uses
>> Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to
>> use
>> Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems,
>> however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been
>> using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my
>> settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I
>> applied
>> and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of
>> the screen print is too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so
>>     
>
> convert is your friend...
>
>   
>> Also, On the second page of the configuration for
>> Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I have selected SSL,
>> which is required.  stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
>>     
>
> _Don't_ select SSL.  What some people call "SSL" is really TLS.  Instead 
> on the "Security" tab, click on "Check what server supports".
>   
Thanks for I am confident was great advice.  I applied your suggestion, 
however, a test email still went to the outbox waiting for a connection.

I get this message:

Sending failed:
Connection to host smtp.att.yahoo.com is broken.

The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the 
problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' 
folder.

The following transport protocol was used:
stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net

Do you want me to continue sending the remaining  messages?

I clicked on abort.

I am curious should the transport protocol be:
'smtp.att.yahoo.com' and not my email address?



From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 17:30:21 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:30:21 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811190818.30718.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<21177742.3Y3oUylBcv@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811191632.59593.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <3395851.3GofnSNjph@cedar.serverforest.com>

nepal google wrote:

> On Wed 19 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:

>> It depends what you're using for email - if it's not
>> kmail, then it doesn't use the wallet, but if it is
>> kmail, your passwords are being stored insecurely (oh,
>> actually, that could have changed in KDE4 - in 3.5 they
>> were stored in kmailrc)
> 
> but they are not directly viewable, they only show as a
> bunch of squares, btw, yes I am using KMail.

OK, so there's some kind of encryption - there wasn't always.

> Well I've got it set up and activated, I went and reentered
> my email account passwords, all 5, but it only recorded two
> of them, 

That sounds vaguely familiar.  It _should_ get them all the first time, 
obviously, but I seem to remember having to enter some more than once.  
It's that "training" issue, again :-(

-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 17:40:10 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:40:10 -0400
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<200811190727.42374.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<492447E7.4080801@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <6039928.9nfPMvcFiv@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> Port is 465 for smtp and 995 for pop.  I tried 587; the test email
> went
> to the Outbox.  Couldn't make connection with the server.  I am
> getting
> more convinced it is a kwallet problem.  

It isn't a kwallet problem.  OK, so I didn't quite give you the correct 
instructions last time but just go into KMail, select "Settings" / 
"Configure KMail"; Select "Accounts", "Sending", and select the account.  
_now_ click on "Check what the server supports".  When it returns, go to 
the advanced tab and fill in the authorization details.

> And I cannot configure Kwallet,

The program is kwalletmanager as you can find by going into any shell and 
typing "kwall<TAB>"  - bash completion is very much your friend.
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 18:00:19 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:00:19 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811191728.14187.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>	<200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>	<492447E7.4080801@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811191728.14187.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <49245433.7090207@sbcglobal.net>

David Fletcher wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 17:07:51 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Port is 465 for smtp and 995 for pop.  I tried 587; the test email went
>> to the Outbox.  Couldn't make connection with the server.  I am getting
>> more convinced it is a kwallet problem.  And I cannot configure Kwallet,
>> it says it is installed, but I can't find it.  I am going into my saved
>> emails, there is a way to use something called 'locate', but I can't
>> remember what to type in.  I saved an email about that.  Thanks everyone.
>>
>>     
>
> You have actually got a kwallet? It should be in
> ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet
>
> and the kde default file name is kdewallet.kwl
>
> If it's not there, use kwalletmanager to create a new wallet with the default 
> name, then it should work.
>
> BTW on my home computer I've used a different.kwl name for my wallet, then 
> found the KDE setting somewhere to make it use that instead of the normal 
> name. Then, I can have the normal, default wallet name on my laptop and any 
> other computers I use, plus copy my other wallet file onto these machines as 
> is and have all my bank account etc. passwords available without messing up 
> WPA etc settings on the laptop machine.
>
> Dave
>
>
>   
The shell confuses me so much.  I typed in ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet  -  
I got
bash: /home/steven/.kde/share/apps/kwallet: is a directory - I typed in
steven at Studio25:~$ cd ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet  -  I got
steven at Studio25:~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet$

What do I have to do to get a gui where I can configure Kwallet?  Thanks!

Steven





From paul at lemmons.name  Wed Nov 19 18:03:31 2008
From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:03:31 -0700
Subject: Package Managers
In-Reply-To: <492448EA.6010701@swbell.net>
References: <492448EA.6010701@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <492454F3.5080001@lemmons.name>

-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: Package Managers
From: Billie Erin Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 11/19/2008 10:12 AM
> Why have they hosed Adept. It's about as worthless as .........
>   
I don't usually complain about the new vs. the old because in nature 
anything that stands still gets eaten. However some evolutionary 
branches are due for pruning. Adept on KDE 3 was usable. And while I 
respect the time and effort that went into it, the new one is totally 
worthless. Even command line apt is better. I hope that the devs send 
KDE4-Adept back to the gene pool to evolve into a cool tool and let 
natural selection put and end to the mutant that it is now.

-- 
Sometimes I wonder.  Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it.

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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 18:11:32 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:11:32 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811191728.14187.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>	<200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>	<492447E7.4080801@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811191728.14187.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <492456D4.8080907@sbcglobal.net>

David Fletcher wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 17:07:51 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Port is 465 for smtp and 995 for pop.  I tried 587; the test email went
>> to the Outbox.  Couldn't make connection with the server.  I am getting
>> more convinced it is a kwallet problem.  And I cannot configure Kwallet,
>> it says it is installed, but I can't find it.  I am going into my saved
>> emails, there is a way to use something called 'locate', but I can't
>> remember what to type in.  I saved an email about that.  Thanks everyone.
>>
>>     
>
> You have actually got a kwallet? It should be in
> ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet
>
> and the kde default file name is kdewallet.kwl
>
> If it's not there, use kwalletmanager to create a new wallet with the default 
> name, then it should work.
>
> BTW on my home computer I've used a different.kwl name for my wallet, then 
> found the KDE setting somewhere to make it use that instead of the normal 
> name. Then, I can have the normal, default wallet name on my laptop and any 
> other computers I use, plus copy my other wallet file onto these machines as 
> is and have all my bank account etc. passwords available without messing up 
> WPA etc settings on the laptop machine.
>
> Dave
>
>
>   
I can't find kwalletmanager either, but it shows as installed.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 18:23:40 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:23:40 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <6039928.9nfPMvcFiv@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>	<200811190727.42374.d.mcglone@att.net>	<200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>	<492447E7.4080801@sbcglobal.net>
	<6039928.9nfPMvcFiv@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <492459AC.8070005@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> Port is 465 for smtp and 995 for pop.  I tried 587; the test email
>> went
>> to the Outbox.  Couldn't make connection with the server.  I am
>> getting
>> more convinced it is a kwallet problem.  
>>     
>
> It isn't a kwallet problem.  OK, so I didn't quite give you the correct 
> instructions last time but just go into KMail, select "Settings" / 
> "Configure KMail"; Select "Accounts", "Sending", and select the account.  
> _now_ click on "Check what the server supports".  When it returns, go to 
> the advanced tab and fill in the authorization details.
>
>   
>> And I cannot configure Kwallet,
>>     
>
> The program is kwalletmanager as you can find by going into any shell and 
> typing "kwall<TAB>"  - bash completion is very much your friend.
>   
I am using Hardy, KDE 3.5.10.  When I check "Check what the server 
supports" it returns to the previous window.  _There is no advanced tab.
_
I am going to type kwall<TAB> into a terminal now.

steven at Studio25:~$ kwall<TAB>
bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
steven at Studio25:~$

steven at Studio25:~$ kwall<TAB>
bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
steven at Studio25:~$ "kwall<TAB>"
bash: kwall<TAB>: command not found
steven at Studio25:~$
steven at Studio25:~$
steven at Studio25:~$

If you think I understand anything that requires the terminal, you are 
wrong.  Haven't gotten that far yet.  I would love to learn and know.




From lanzenesi at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 18:29:13 2008
From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:29:13 +0100
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail
	in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <49244128.9090103@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net>	<491FE231.2050606@gmail.com>	<491FE95C.3050807@sbcglobal.net>	<gfseb4$40h$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492215B3.4050504@sbcglobal.net>	<4923E60B.2000602@gmail.com>
	<49244128.9090103@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49245AF9.2020302@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

   --- cut ---

> I have now found and understand how to get to the page shown in the 
> screen print, however, when I right-click on Personal Address Book, the 
> box that opens gives the following choices - Propertied, New Card, and 
> New List. 
> 
> I am looking for ,'proceed to point 3', where is it?  You see what I see 
> in the screen print.
> 
> Please don't get too frustrated with my stupidity, I have to live with it.

Er... you're not stupid... I am! Sorry...

You see, I did check what Thunderbird version you had, but I forgot 
about extensions. Luckily your above quoted first paragraph rang a bell!
The pretty things I was talking about are due to 
*MoreFunctionsForAddressBook.xpi.*

Donn't worry. It can still be done. I'll be right back.

-- 
lanzen



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 18:37:40 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:37:40 -0500
Subject: How do I locate Kwallet configuration.
In-Reply-To: <200811191740.43132.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <49244AE8.9040507@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811191740.43132.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <49245CF4.1040404@sbcglobal.net>

nepal google wrote:
> On Wed 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Several months ago, I foolishly removed kwallet from my
>> computer.  I want to rectify that mistake.  I have
>> re-installed the package, however, I cannot find it in
>> the Kmenu.  I attempted to open it by typing kwallet in
>> the shell, also kdewallet, but that returned nothing.  If
>> it is installed, how can locate, open, and configure it. 
>> I think its installation will solve other problems I
>> have.  TIA
>>
>> Steven
>>     
>
> from the menu select
> help
> application manuals
> settings
> wallet management tools
>
> it is all explained in there. I read it this afternoon.
>
> it is relatively simple to follow.
>
> nepal.
>
>
>   
Thanks Nepal, I have never been here.  I have been solving problems as 
long as I have been using Kubuntu and never had time to explore all the 
tools.  This is great.  It should change lots of things.

Steven




From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 18:48:08 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:48:08 +0200
Subject: 8.04: Compiz broken?
Message-ID: <880dece00811191048v7a17f470yda5a5855e18dd71a@mail.gmail.com>

Not having updated anything recently, I just logged into Kubuntu 8.04
(KDE 3.5.10) and Compiz effects no longer work. I rarely reset this
computer so there may have been an update that broke Compiz, but I
know neither what nor when. Any ideas where to start looking?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

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From lanzenesi at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 18:53:06 2008
From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:53:06 +0100
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail
	in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <49245AF9.2020302@gmail.com>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net>	<491FE231.2050606@gmail.com>	<491FE95C.3050807@sbcglobal.net>	<gfseb4$40h$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492215B3.4050504@sbcglobal.net>	<4923E60B.2000602@gmail.com>	<49244128.9090103@sbcglobal.net>
	<49245AF9.2020302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gg1nai$b05$1@ger.gmane.org>

lanzen ha scritto:

> Donn't worry. It can still be done. I'll be right back.

Right, Open TB Address Book and make sure your *Personal Address Book*
is selected.

On the Toolbar select Tools -> Export. Write a meaningful name in the 
input box on top and don't worry about the extension. ldif should be 
already selected; check the bottom right corner. Save.

Now you'll have a *something.ldif* file in your /home.

Open Kmail, and do Tools -> Address Book.

Now you're in Kmail's address Book. File -> Import -> Import LDIF 
Address Book. Now select your previously saved file and clik ok. That 
should be all.

Let me know, and... sorry again!

-- 
lanzen






From news at pointerstop.ca  Wed Nov 19 18:46:36 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:46:36 -0400
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<200811190727.42374.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<492447E7.4080801@sbcglobal.net>
	<6039928.9nfPMvcFiv@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<492459AC.8070005@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1310944.R5DYZ594kD@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

>>   
> I am using Hardy, KDE 3.5.10.  When I check "Check what the server
> supports" it returns to the previous window.  _There is no advanced
> tab. _

That's fine - I imagine there's a few changes in the windows between 
versions, but the advanced tab was just where you currently find the SMTP 
authorization settings.  Once you've checked what the server supports, 
everything should be set validly except the username/password, set those
and you should be good to go.
-- 
derek




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Wed Nov 19 19:26:41 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:26:41 -0500
Subject: Keyboard problem in 8.10
Message-ID: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

I've mentioned this before but no one responded.

I first put 8.10 on a lab computer to see what it was like.  I noticed that 
the "left arrow" key did not work when in KDE4 although it did work when I 
was in a true console session (out of X altogether)

I thought it might have something to do with KDE4 but yesterday I put KDE3 
onto 8.10 and the problem still exists...  so it must lie in the X server.  

But yes, I also thought there might be something quirky with the keybd itself.

Today I put 8.10 on my main computer and the problem is still there.  Totally 
different computer.

I am very surprised no one else has experienced this problem.

I would download the 8.10 iso again but it's a moot point now...  I won't be 
using Intrepid anyway, with or without KDE3.  I saw too many other problems 
to make me want to use it.     Sad.



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 19:26:42 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:26:42 -0500
Subject: 8.04: Compiz broken?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811191048v7a17f470yda5a5855e18dd71a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811191048v7a17f470yda5a5855e18dd71a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811191426.47920.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 1:48:08 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Not having updated anything recently, I just logged into Kubuntu 8.04
> (KDE 3.5.10) and Compiz effects no longer work. I rarely reset this
> computer so there may have been an update that broke Compiz, but I
> know neither what nor when. Any ideas where to start looking?
>

Things seem to be working on my up to date installation.  Are you sure it's 
broken?  I have to right click the fusion icon and reload the window manager 
every time I log in.  As saved sessions don't reload compiz on KDE, nor the 
icon, I have set the icon as a persistent entry in the quick launch area of 
the panel, and just remember to launch it and reload the wm every time I log 
in.
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From shavital at mac.com  Wed Nov 19 19:27:39 2008
From: shavital at mac.com (Charly Avital)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:27:39 -0500
Subject: Firefox 2.0.0.14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16663.1227116126.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
References: <mailman.16663.1227116126.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <492468AB.4010506@mac.com>

> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:54:53 +0200
> From: Donn <donn.ingle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.14
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <200811191854.53915.donn.ingle at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="ansi_x3.4-1968"
> 
> On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 16:49:04 Charly Avital wrote:
>> Synaptic Package Manager indicates that Firefox 3.0.4 is installed.
>> There is no mention of Firefox 2.0.0.14.
> Are you sure it's 'Synaptic'? If so, there's a good chance you are using 
> Ubuntu, not Kubuntu.

I am sure it's System/Administration/Synaptic Package Manager (just
checked it again)
The splash screen with the progression bar underneath reads Kubuntu.
System Monitor/System reads:
Release 8.10 (Intrepid)
Kernel Linux 2.6.27-8-generic
Gnome 2.24.1
> 
>> Nevertheless when I launch Firefox Web Browser, the browser that
>> launches shows version:
>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404
>> Firefox/2.0.0.14
> There may be two versions installed. One is on the default path and runs 
> when 'firefox' is issued. You can check the icon you use to launch it -- 
> perhaps it will reveal something.
> 
> I don't know how you got two versions going at once unless you upgraded or 
> someone else installed another version.

I started months ago with 6.10, upgraded via Update Manager to 8.04, and
lately to 8.10.

> 
> Open a command line and try this (don't type the $ sign)

>From MacOSX, I am familiar with Terminal
> $ which firefox
> See what it says. That's the firefox it's running default.

/usr/bin/firefox

> Also:
> $ locate firefox-bin
> This should only give: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
> If not you are seeing a second version too. Make a note of its path.

/home/shavital/firefox/firefox-bin
/opt/firefox/firefox-bin




> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:12:10 -0600
> From: Billie Erin Walsh <bilwalsh at swbell.net>
> Subject: Package Managers
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <492448EA.6010701 at swbell.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Don wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 16:49:04 Charly Avital wrote:
>>   
>>>> Synaptic Package Manager indicates that Firefox 3.0.4 is installed.
>>>> There is no mention of Firefox 2.0.0.14.
>>>     
>> Are you sure it's 'Synaptic'? If so, there's a good chance you are using 
>> Ubuntu, not Kubuntu.
>>
>>   
> 
> So as not to hijack another thread.
> 
> Something has been bothering me since I started playing around with 
> 8.10/4.x.
> 
> Why have they hosed Adept. It's about as worthless as .........well, you 
> know what on a road grader. Sort of reminds me of Stupid Package Manager 
> in SuSE [ sorry, that should be Smart - which it isn't ]
> 
> Thank goodness whoever decided what packages to install as default they 
> included Synaptic. At least its still usable.

As I indicate above, I am sure I have Synaptic Package Manager.





> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:35:22 -0700
> From: Paul Lemmons <paul at lemmons.name>
> Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.14
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <49244E5A.6090403 at lemmons.name>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> -------- Original Message  --------
> Subject: Firefox 2.0.0.14
> From: Charly Avital <shavital at mac.com>
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Date: 11/19/2008 07:49 AM
>> I am a Linux inexperienced user, I thank the forum in advance for
>> patience and help.
>>
>> I am running Kubuntu 8.10 under virtual ware VMware Fusion for the Mac,
>> version 2.0.1., on a Macbook AL ("Late 2008"), Intel Processor Core2Duo.
>>
>> Synaptic Package Manager indicates that Firefox 3.0.4 is installed.
>> There is no mention of Firefox 2.0.0.14.
>>
>> Nevertheless when I launch Firefox Web Browser, the browser that
>> launches shows version:
>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404
>> Firefox/2.0.0.14
>>
>> How can I remove 2.0.0.14, and use the current 3.0.4? "Add/Remove" does
>> not help.
>>
>> Charly
>> MacOSX 10.5.5 - Ubuntu 8.10 (under virtual ware) - GnuPG 1.4.9 - gpg2
>> 2.0.9 - Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 - Enigmail 0.96.a
>> Timestamp: Wednesday 19 November 2008, 09:48 AM --500 (EST)
>>   
> I am guessing but it sounds like you are still on Gutsy Gibbon. You may 
> need to upgrade to Hardy Heron. Gutsy did not embrace FF 3.x. That came 
> with Hardy.
> 
> Issue the command:
> 
> cat /etc/lsb-release
> 
> and see what it says. If it says Gutsy, you need to upgrade. If it days 
> Hardy or Intrepid, other problems need to be addressed.

It says:

DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.10
DISTRIB_CODENAME=intrepid
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.10"

--------

I can only guess I have a pretty messed up installation?
Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
Two versions of Firefox? I have no idea where '/opt/firefox/firefox-bin'
comes from. 'opt' under MacOSX indicates a MacPorts installation.

Thanks in advance for your combined help.
Charly






From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 19 19:42:21 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:42:21 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <3395851.3GofnSNjph@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811191632.59593.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<3395851.3GofnSNjph@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811191942.21765.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Wed 19 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> nepal google wrote:
> > On Wed 19 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> >> It depends what you're using for email - if it's not
> >> kmail, then it doesn't use the wallet, but if it is
> >> kmail, your passwords are being stored insecurely (oh,
> >> actually, that could have changed in KDE4 - in 3.5
> >> they were stored in kmailrc)
> >
> > but they are not directly viewable, they only show as a
> > bunch of squares, btw, yes I am using KMail.
>
> OK, so there's some kind of encryption - there wasn't
> always.
>
> > Well I've got it set up and activated, I went and
> > reentered my email account passwords, all 5, but it
> > only recorded two of them,
>
> That sounds vaguely familiar.  It _should_ get them all
> the first time, obviously, but I seem to remember having
> to enter some more than once. It's that "training" issue,
> again :-(
>
> --
> derek

I have since quit out of KMail and gone back in again, with 
the Wallet still active and it didn't ask for any further 
passwords and sending and recieving mail all worked fine. I 
have since that completely logged out of the session and 
restarted and the only thing I had to do was put in the 
master password for KWallet on restart. All five passwords 
are now in the wallet plus two others for Mail Transport, 
why they are there I don't know. I also don't know how the 
other passwords got into the wallet, but they are there and 
correct and all is working fine. As I said before, thankyou 
Derek for the push to look again. :)

but please don't try this with Dolphin!
at least for a couple of years.  ;)

nepal.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 19:52:18 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:52:18 -0500
Subject: How do I locate Kwallet configuration.
In-Reply-To: <200811191740.43132.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <49244AE8.9040507@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811191740.43132.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <49246E72.6090007@sbcglobal.net>

nepal google wrote:
> On Wed 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Several months ago, I foolishly removed kwallet from my
>> computer.  I want to rectify that mistake.  I have
>> re-installed the package, however, I cannot find it in
>> the Kmenu.  I attempted to open it by typing kwallet in
>> the shell, also kdewallet, but that returned nothing.  If
>> it is installed, how can locate, open, and configure it. 
>> I think its installation will solve other problems I
>> have.  TIA
>>
>> Steven
>>     
>
> from the menu select
> help
> application manuals
> settings
> wallet management tools
>
> it is all explained in there. I read it this afternoon.
>
> it is relatively simple to follow.
>
> nepal.
>
>
>   
Thanks so much!!!  I was writing a response that was getting very windy, 
so I started over, but the way you helped me today has been a break 
through for me.  If you want to know why, ask I will tell you on your 
email address rather than the forum?  You would laugh at the gyrations I 
went through to apply your instructions.  If you knew, you would then 
know why so many of us are so dense.  As a result of your post, I will 
surely be able to reduce the number of questions I have to ask.  I 
really think the revelation is worthy of a post, but I don't think I 
could tell all in 40kb.  I do think it would help a lot of new people.  
Anyway thanks again, I am so very happy.  It is like getting corrective 
lenses to clear the blur.

Steven



From d.mcglone at att.net  Wed Nov 19 19:58:13 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:58:13 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <49245006.907@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49239808.50207@sbcglobal.net>
	<10977050.j4ep1zE1kj@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<49245006.907@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811191458.13357.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 12:42:30 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> Derek Broughton wrote:
> > Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> If anyone using AT&T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also
> >> uses
> >> Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to
> >> use
> >> Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems,
> >> however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been
> >> using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my
> >> settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I
> >> applied
> >> and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of
> >> the screen print is too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so
> >
> > convert is your friend...
> >
> >> Also, On the second page of the configuration for
> >> Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I have selected SSL,
> >> which is required.  stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
> >
> > _Don't_ select SSL.  What some people call "SSL" is really TLS.  Instead
> > on the "Security" tab, click on "Check what server supports".
>
> Thanks for I am confident was great advice.  I applied your suggestion,
> however, a test email still went to the outbox waiting for a connection.
>
> I get this message:
>
> Sending failed:
> Connection to host smtp.att.yahoo.com is broken.
>
> The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the
> problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox'
> folder.
>
> The following transport protocol was used:
> stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
>
> Do you want me to continue sending the remaining  messages?
>
> I clicked on abort.
>
> I am curious should the transport protocol be:
> 'smtp.att.yahoo.com' and not my email address?

Sometimes you have to delete all the messages waiting in the outbox and start 
with a fresh one. I've had that problem.

And to answer your question, yes smtp.att.yahoo.com is correct, but here's 
something else to make sure of, I've made this mistake a couple times and have 
spent a couple hours tracking it down, that is make sure you put "smtp" not 
"smpt" by accident.

If none of this helps, let me know, i'll show you some screenies of my 
configuration.

-- 
David M.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 20:01:09 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:01:09 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <1310944.R5DYZ594kD@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>	<200811190727.42374.d.mcglone@att.net>	<200811191241.31368.dave@thefletchers.net>	<492447E7.4080801@sbcglobal.net>	<6039928.9nfPMvcFiv@cedar.serverforest.com>	<492459AC.8070005@sbcglobal.net>
	<1310944.R5DYZ594kD@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <49247085.9040707@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>>>   
>>>       
>> I am using Hardy, KDE 3.5.10.  When I check "Check what the server
>> supports" it returns to the previous window.  _There is no advanced
>> tab. _
>>     
>
> That's fine - I imagine there's a few changes in the windows between 
> versions, but the advanced tab was just where you currently find the SMTP 
> authorization settings.  Once you've checked what the server supports, 
> everything should be set validly except the username/password, set those
> and you should be good to go.
>   
I did, but it still doesn't work.  I am studying Kwallet right now.  
Even before it was installed, kwallet would interrupt things over and 
over.  It insisted that I use it.  So I installed it and am trying to 
get it to work properly.  It seems like everything is configured 
properly, with those who are helping in agreement, but when Kwallet 
starts trying to get me to put Kmails password in it, to continue I have 
to select the choices it gives and the result is a screwed send.  Since 
configuration seems Ok, isn't it possible that something about Kwallet 
not working properly because it isn't installed properly is getting in 
there and screwing things up?  Anyway, it is an idea of mine, so I will 
proceed until someone includes help that fixes the problem.  Thanks for 
your continued interest and help, friend.

Steven



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 20:04:18 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:04:18 -0700
Subject: Question on find inconsistency
In-Reply-To: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <200811180941.04048.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811191204j41906305pa0c07ee370e4c49d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Glenn R Williams <gloonie at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I found a peculiar inconsistency with the  "find" command and wonder if anyone
> can explain it (or even has it on their machine).
>
> It has to do with quoting the  search pattern for the -name option. On my
> system, if I run:
>
> find / -name *.mp4
>
> It works fine, and finds the files. BUT, if I just change the extension:
>
> find / -name *.txt
>
> I get an error:
>
> find: paths must precede expression: file1.txt
> Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec]
> [path...] [expression]
>
> Does anyone know why this would be? I've used find for many years, but always
> quoted the -name argument.

If there is no file in the current directory that matches the filename
expression (*.mp4 or *.txt in your examples) the the filenames are not
expanded and the exact expression is passed to find by the shell.  But
if there are one or more files that match, the expression is replaces
by the expansion and passed to find.

I would guess that there are no .mp4 files in the directory you are
running find in (not in /, but the current directory of your shell
which might be different).  In that case find runs exactly as you
expect.  It sounds like there are multiple .txt files in that same
directory and they are all passed to find which is expecting only one
name.

If there is exactly one file.txt in that directory, you won't get an
error, but you probably won't get what you expect, either.  It will
look for files with exactly that name and no expression matching.

For safety's sake, it is usually best to quote or escape the wildcards like
  find / -name \*.txt
That prevents globbing on the * and will do what you expect.

Michael



From d.mcglone at att.net  Wed Nov 19 20:05:50 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:05:50 -0500
Subject: How do I locate Kwallet configuration.
In-Reply-To: <49245CF4.1040404@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49244AE8.9040507@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811191740.43132.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<49245CF4.1040404@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811191505.50163.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 1:37:40 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> nepal google wrote:
> > On Wed 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> Several months ago, I foolishly removed kwallet from my
> >> computer.  I want to rectify that mistake.  I have
> >> re-installed the package, however, I cannot find it in
> >> the Kmenu.  I attempted to open it by typing kwallet in
> >> the shell, also kdewallet, but that returned nothing.  If
> >> it is installed, how can locate, open, and configure it.
> >> I think its installation will solve other problems I
> >> have.  TIA
> >>
> >> Steven
> >
> > from the menu select
> > help
> > application manuals
> > settings
> > wallet management tools
> >
> > it is all explained in there. I read it this afternoon.
> >
> > it is relatively simple to follow.
> >
> > nepal.
>
> Thanks Nepal, I have never been here.  I have been solving problems as
> long as I have been using Kubuntu and never had time to explore all the
> tools.  This is great.  It should change lots of things.

use the command kwalletmanager instead of just kwallet.

-- 
David M.



From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 20:16:03 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:16:03 +0200
Subject: Firefox 2.0.0.14
In-Reply-To: <492468AB.4010506@mac.com>
References: <mailman.16663.1227116126.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
	<492468AB.4010506@mac.com>
Message-ID: <200811192216.03545.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 21:27:39 Charly Avital wrote:
> The splash screen with the progression bar underneath reads Kubuntu.
It's probably a splash screen you custom installed. It could be a bitmap using 
Kubuntu, but your system is definitely Ubuntu.

> > $ which firefox
> /usr/bin/firefox
Good -- that's the default. 

> > $ locate firefox-bin
> /home/shavital/firefox/firefox-bin
> /opt/firefox/firefox-bin
Ah, you seem to have 2 others installed. I am not sure which one is what 
version.

You need to find out which one your Firefox icon is running. Not sure about 
Gnome buttons, but right-clicking it should bring up some kind of properties 
dialog.

Either way, you should be able to run it from the terminal by:
/usr/bin/firefox
Check version. close.
/home/shavita/firefox/firefox
Check version. close.
/opt/firefox/firefox
Check again.

(if the last word 'firefox' does not run substitute 'run-mozilla.sh' )

That will clue you in. 

Another wrinkle is that firefox will be looking in /home/shavita/.mozilla for 
various settings etc. One of those is a thing called a 'Profile'. Your profle 
may be hijacking things somewhat.

You could make a copy of ~/.mozilla by renaming it:
mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_testing

Then run ff again and it should create that folder again. You will lose all 
your bookmarks and add-ons etc, but they are all still in 
the .mozilla_testing you just made.

Once you have the right version of FF running, you can start to put things 
back into .mozilla one by one.

I know it sounds crazy, but your system seems crufty (full of old stuff, many 
versions, like a palimpsest) and this kind of sleuthing is the only way I 
know to fix stuff.

You could always backup your data, format and install afresh, but that's too 
much work eh?

> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
Case closed :D

\d



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 20:19:04 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:19:04 -0500
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail
	in Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <gg1nai$b05$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net>	<491FE231.2050606@gmail.com>	<491FE95C.3050807@sbcglobal.net>	<gfseb4$40h$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492215B3.4050504@sbcglobal.net>	<4923E60B.2000602@gmail.com>	<49244128.9090103@sbcglobal.net>	<49245AF9.2020302@gmail.com>
	<gg1nai$b05$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <492474B8.5070404@sbcglobal.net>

lanzen wrote:
> lanzen ha scritto:
>
>   
>> Donn't worry. It can still be done. I'll be right back.
>>     
>
> Right, Open TB Address Book and make sure your *Personal Address Book*
> is selected.
>
> On the Toolbar select Tools -> Export. Write a meaningful name in the 
> input box on top and don't worry about the extension. ldif should be 
> already selected; check the bottom right corner. Save.
>
> Now you'll have a *something.ldif* file in your /home.
>
> Open Kmail, and do Tools -> Address Book.
>
> Now you're in Kmail's address Book. File -> Import -> Import LDIF 
> Address Book. Now select your previously saved file and clik ok. That 
> should be all.
>
> Let me know, and... sorry again!
>
>   
Please don't apologize to me, Lanzen, I am so grateful for the help.  
You can't believe how happy I am.  I have been belly laughing since it 
worked.  Nothing funny, just pure joy.  I wish I could hug you.  I am 
saving the email and will go through it a few times until I understand 
it's logical progression.  I just can't stop laughing.  This is such a 
great day.  Another helper today put me through a path of instruction 
that opened the door on some so basic stuff that I should be embarrassed 
to say, but it was like putting glasses on a partially blind man.  It 
opened a great door to the solution to much of my confusion.  I am 
hopeful I won't be such a bother much longer.  Cheers, my friend.
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 20:29:46 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:29:46 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811191458.13357.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <49239808.50207@sbcglobal.net>	<10977050.j4ep1zE1kj@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49245006.907@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811191458.13357.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <4924773A.7050707@sbcglobal.net>

David McGlone wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 12:42:30 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> If anyone using AT&T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also
>>>> uses
>>>> Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to
>>>> use
>>>> Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems,
>>>> however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been
>>>> using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my
>>>> settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I
>>>> applied
>>>> and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of
>>>> the screen print is too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so
>>>>         
>>> convert is your friend...
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Also, On the second page of the configuration for
>>>> Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I have selected SSL,
>>>> which is required.  stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
>>>>         
>>> _Don't_ select SSL.  What some people call "SSL" is really TLS.  
I remember from when I configured with the servers help, they said to 
check SSL.  Are you sure it is wrong to do?
>>> Instead
>>> on the "Security" tab, click on "Check what server supports".
>>>       
>> Thanks for I am confident was great advice.  I applied your suggestion,
>> however, a test email still went to the outbox waiting for a connection.
>>
>> I get this message:
>>
>> Sending failed:
>> Connection to host smtp.att.yahoo.com is broken.
>>
>> The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the
>> problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox'
>> folder.
>>
>> The following transport protocol was used:
>> stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> Do you want me to continue sending the remaining  messages?
>>
>> I clicked on abort.
>>
>> I am curious should the transport protocol be:
>> 'smtp.att.yahoo.com' and not my email address?
>>     
>
> Sometimes you have to delete all the messages waiting in the outbox and start 
> with a fresh one. I've had that problem.
>   
I have done that each time, starting a new test with an empty Outbox.
> And to answer your question, yes smtp.att.yahoo.com is correct, but here's 
> something else to make sure of, I've made this mistake a couple times and have 
> spent a couple hours tracking it down, that is make sure you put "smtp" not 
> "smpt" by accident.
>   
I checked.  Every place it is entered, it is properly spelled smtp
> If none of this helps, let me know, i'll show you some screenies of my 
> configuration.
>   
It still did not work.  I did get the formula for moving my Address Book 
from Thunderbird to Kmail in another post.  That sure was great.  I get 
so happy when a problem is solved, I burst out laughing and nothing is 
funny, just joy.  This is great, the whole day.  Thanks again.  I just 
have to keep going.  I am convinced Kmail is a better and better for me 
email package.




From d.mcglone at att.net  Wed Nov 19 20:56:50 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:56:50 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <4924773A.7050707@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49239808.50207@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811191458.13357.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<4924773A.7050707@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811191556.50249.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 3:29:46 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> David McGlone wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 November 2008 12:42:30 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> Derek Broughton wrote:
> >>> Steven Vollom wrote:
> >>>> If anyone using AT&T, Yahoo as a DSL internet service provider also
> >>>> uses
> >>>> Kmail, could you help me with smtp configuration.  I have decided to
> >>>> use
> >>>> Kmail, if I can get it working.  I receive emails without problems,
> >>>> however cannot connect to the server when I want to send.  I have been
> >>>> using Thunderbird for a couple of years.  I have a screenprint of my
> >>>> settings for TBird on the left of the screen and the settings I
> >>>> applied
> >>>> and DON'T work for Kmail on the right half of the screen.  The size of
> >>>> the screen print is too big for posting, which is limited to 40kb, so
> >>>
> >>> convert is your friend...
> >>>
> >>>> Also, On the second page of the configuration for
> >>>> Kmail which does not show on the screen print, I have selected SSL,
> >>>> which is required.  stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
> >>>
> >>> _Don't_ select SSL.  What some people call "SSL" is really TLS.
>
> I remember from when I configured with the servers help, they said to
> check SSL.  Are you sure it is wrong to do?
>
> >>> Instead
> >>> on the "Security" tab, click on "Check what server supports".
> >>
> >> Thanks for I am confident was great advice.  I applied your suggestion,
> >> however, a test email still went to the outbox waiting for a connection.
> >>
> >> I get this message:
> >>
> >> Sending failed:
> >> Connection to host smtp.att.yahoo.com is broken.
> >>
> >> The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the
> >> problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox'
> >> folder.
> >>
> >> The following transport protocol was used:
> >> stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net
> >>
> >> Do you want me to continue sending the remaining  messages?
> >>
> >> I clicked on abort.
> >>
> >> I am curious should the transport protocol be:
> >> 'smtp.att.yahoo.com' and not my email address?
> >
> > Sometimes you have to delete all the messages waiting in the outbox and
> > start with a fresh one. I've had that problem.
>
> I have done that each time, starting a new test with an empty Outbox.
>
> > And to answer your question, yes smtp.att.yahoo.com is correct, but
> > here's something else to make sure of, I've made this mistake a couple
> > times and have spent a couple hours tracking it down, that is make sure
> > you put "smtp" not "smpt" by accident.
>
> I checked.  Every place it is entered, it is properly spelled smtp
>
> > If none of this helps, let me know, i'll show you some screenies of my
> > configuration.
>
> It still did not work.  I did get the formula for moving my Address Book
> from Thunderbird to Kmail in another post.  That sure was great.  I get
> so happy when a problem is solved, I burst out laughing and nothing is
> funny, just joy.  This is great, the whole day.  Thanks again.  I just
> have to keep going.  I am convinced Kmail is a better and better for me
> email package.

I have sent you 2 screen shots off list with instructions for each screenshot. 
Hope it helps.

-- 
David M.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 21:03:11 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:03:11 -0500
Subject: How do I locate Kwallet configuration.
In-Reply-To: <200811191505.50163.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <49244AE8.9040507@sbcglobal.net>	<200811191740.43132.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<49245CF4.1040404@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811191505.50163.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <49247F0F.5060905@sbcglobal.net>

David McGlone wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 1:37:40 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> nepal google wrote:
>>     
>>> On Wed 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Several months ago, I foolishly removed kwallet from my
>>>> computer.  I want to rectify that mistake.  I have
>>>> re-installed the package, however, I cannot find it in
>>>> the Kmenu.  I attempted to open it by typing kwallet in
>>>> the shell, also kdewallet, but that returned nothing.  If
>>>> it is installed, how can locate, open, and configure it.
>>>> I think its installation will solve other problems I
>>>> have.  TIA
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>         
>>> from the menu select
>>> help
>>> application manuals
>>> settings
>>> wallet management tools
>>>
>>> it is all explained in there. I read it this afternoon.
>>>
>>> it is relatively simple to follow.
>>>
>>> nepal.
>>>       
>> Thanks Nepal, I have never been here.  I have been solving problems as
>> long as I have been using Kubuntu and never had time to explore all the
>> tools.  This is great.  It should change lots of things.
>>     
>
> use the command kwalletmanager instead of just kwallet.
>
>   
I did, it works, thanks!

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 21:03:41 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:03:41 -0500
Subject: How do I locate Kwallet configuration.   **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811191505.50163.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <49244AE8.9040507@sbcglobal.net>	<200811191740.43132.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<49245CF4.1040404@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811191505.50163.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <49247F2D.30304@sbcglobal.net>

David McGlone wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 1:37:40 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> nepal google wrote:
>>     
>>> On Wed 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Several months ago, I foolishly removed kwallet from my
>>>> computer.  I want to rectify that mistake.  I have
>>>> re-installed the package, however, I cannot find it in
>>>> the Kmenu.  I attempted to open it by typing kwallet in
>>>> the shell, also kdewallet, but that returned nothing.  If
>>>> it is installed, how can locate, open, and configure it.
>>>> I think its installation will solve other problems I
>>>> have.  TIA
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>         
>>> from the menu select
>>> help
>>> application manuals
>>> settings
>>> wallet management tools
>>>
>>> it is all explained in there. I read it this afternoon.
>>>
>>> it is relatively simple to follow.
>>>
>>> nepal.
>>>       
>> Thanks Nepal, I have never been here.  I have been solving problems as
>> long as I have been using Kubuntu and never had time to explore all the
>> tools.  This is great.  It should change lots of things.
>>     
>
> use the command kwalletmanager instead of just kwallet.
>
>   




From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 21:39:49 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:39:49 +0100
Subject: Keyboard problem in 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811191339p509798b4q271b97002d44b25d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/19 Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com>:
> I've mentioned this before but no one responded.
>
> I first put 8.10 on a lab computer to see what it was like.  I noticed that
> the "left arrow" key did not work when in KDE4 although it did work when I
> was in a true console session (out of X altogether)
>
> I thought it might have something to do with KDE4 but yesterday I put KDE3
> onto 8.10 and the problem still exists...  so it must lie in the X server.
>
> But yes, I also thought there might be something quirky with the keybd itself.
>
> Today I put 8.10 on my main computer and the problem is still there.  Totally
> different computer.
>
> I am very surprised no one else has experienced this problem.
>
> I would download the 8.10 iso again but it's a moot point now...  I won't be
> using Intrepid anyway, with or without KDE3.  I saw too many other problems
> to make me want to use it.     Sad.
>

I had some problems with my keyboard and was testing things and ended
up with no arrow keys. I think it was related to what driver you use
for the keyboard both in xorg.conf and/or in KDE settings. I now use a
default xorg.conf (no driver for the keybooard) and in system settings
evdev managed. All normal keys work and most of the multimedia keys.

/ Jonas



From shavital at mac.com  Wed Nov 19 22:19:19 2008
From: shavital at mac.com (Charly Avital)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:19:19 -0500
Subject: Which Firefox? was: Firefox 2.0.0.14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17074.1227126599.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
References: <mailman.17074.1227126599.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <492490E7.9010300@mac.com>

> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:16:03 +0200 From: Donn <donn.ingle at gmail.com> Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.14 To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <200811192216.03545.donn.ingle at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ansi_x3.4-1968" On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 21:27:39 Charly Avital wrote:
>> > The splash screen with the progression bar underneath reads Kubuntu.
> It's probably a splash screen you custom installed. It could be a bitmap using 
> Kubuntu, but your system is definitely Ubuntu.

You're right, I'll get rid of that splash.
> 
>>> > > $ which firefox
>> > /usr/bin/firefox
> Good -- that's the default. 
> 
>>> > > $ locate firefox-bin
>> > /home/shavital/firefox/firefox-bin
>> > /opt/firefox/firefox-bin
> Ah, you seem to have 2 others installed. I am not sure which one is what 
> version.
> 
> You need to find out which one your Firefox icon is running. Not sure about 
> Gnome buttons, but right-clicking it should bring up some kind of properties 
> dialog.

It does, but it only indicates Firefox Web Browser, no version.
> 
> Either way, you should be able to run it from the terminal by:
> /usr/bin/firefox

That's 2.0.0.14
> Check version. close.
> /home/shavita/firefox/firefox

This one is 3.0.1. I'll update it to the current version, but not just
right now, please read on.

>
[...]

> You could always backup your data, format and install afresh, but that's too 
> much work eh?

That's good advice, and I'll do it. I installed Ubuntu under VMware to
learn, hands on, about a Linux operating system. I'm not going to learn
anything right on a crufty (as you say) installation.

Thanks for your feedback and advice,
Charly



> 
>> > DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
> Case closed :D

Indeed.




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Wed Nov 19 22:34:06 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:06 -0500
Subject: Keyboard problem in 8.10
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811191339p509798b4q271b97002d44b25d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<b8d784880811191339p509798b4q271b97002d44b25d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811191734.06929.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/19 Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com>:
> > I've mentioned this before but no one responded.
> >
> > I first put 8.10 on a lab computer to see what it was like.  I noticed
> > that the "left arrow" key did not work when in KDE4 although it did work
> > when I was in a true console session (out of X altogether)

>
> I had some problems with my keyboard and was testing things and ended
> up with no arrow keys. I think it was related to what driver you use
> for the keyboard both in xorg.conf and/or in KDE settings. I now use a
> default xorg.conf (no driver for the keybooard) and in system settings
> evdev managed. All normal keys work and most of the multimedia keys.
>
> / Jonas

My xorg.conf is the same...  no mention of the keyboard.   And the left arrow 
key also worked on the 'keyboard test' during the install.    Strange.




From dave at thefletchers.net  Wed Nov 19 23:21:54 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:21:54 +0000
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <492456D4.8080907@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<200811191728.14187.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<492456D4.8080907@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811192321.59828.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Wednesday 19 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I can't find kwalletmanager either, but it shows as installed.
> 
> Steven
> 

From the KDE menu, select Run Command... and try putting in kwalletmanager. 
That fires up a little wallet symbol down the bottom right, wherever it's 
called, next to the clock display. Click it and you get the manager. Go File 
New Wallet, give it the default name and a password, and you're done.

Dave


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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 00:07:15 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:07:15 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.  ** Resolved **  Thanks again to
	all who helped.  I am very grateful.
In-Reply-To: <200811192321.59828.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>	<200811191728.14187.dave@thefletchers.net>	<492456D4.8080907@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811192321.59828.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <4924AA33.7030303@sbcglobal.net>

David Fletcher wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I can't find kwalletmanager either, but it shows as installed.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
>
> From the KDE menu, select Run Command... and try putting in kwalletmanager. 
> That fires up a little wallet symbol down the bottom right, wherever it's 
> called, next to the clock display. Click it and you get the manager. Go File 
> New Wallet, give it the default name and a password, and you're done.
>   
You are right, Dave and thanks.  I still don't have it as an item on 
Kmuen.  That would be nice, but not criticle. 
> Dave
>
>
>   




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 20 00:17:11 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:17:11 -0400
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
References: <49239808.50207@sbcglobal.net>
	<10977050.j4ep1zE1kj@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<49245006.907@sbcglobal.net> <200811191458.13357.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<4924773A.7050707@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3945230.CEf7SSEGBZ@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

>>>> _Don't_ select SSL.  What some people call "SSL" is really TLS.
> I remember from when I configured with the servers help, they said to
> check SSL.  Are you sure it is wrong to do?

I didn't say it's wrong - just that KMail is perfectly capable of trying 
all the options and telling you which ones work, when the people who are 
supposed to be giving you support don't have a clue,
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 20 00:18:39 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:18:39 -0400
Subject: The fall of KDE?
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811191632.59593.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<3395851.3GofnSNjph@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811191942.21765.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <1912563.WdxBU7BstQ@cedar.serverforest.com>

nepal google wrote:

> As I said before, thankyou
> Derek for the push to look again. :)
> 
> but please don't try this with Dolphin!
> at least for a couple of years.  ;)

LOL.  You know, Dolphin isn't really that bad... :-)
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 00:36:17 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:36:17 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem.
In-Reply-To: <3945230.CEf7SSEGBZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <49239808.50207@sbcglobal.net>	<10977050.j4ep1zE1kj@cedar.serverforest.com>	<49245006.907@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811191458.13357.d.mcglone@att.net>	<4924773A.7050707@sbcglobal.net>
	<3945230.CEf7SSEGBZ@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <4924B101.4080802@sbcglobal.net>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>>>>> _Don't_ select SSL.  What some people call "SSL" is really TLS.
>>>>>           
>> I remember from when I configured with the servers help, they said to
>> check SSL.  Are you sure it is wrong to do?
>>     
>
> I didn't say it's wrong - just that KMail is perfectly capable of trying 
> all the options and telling you which ones work, when the people who are 
> supposed to be giving you support don't have a clue,
>   
Thanks Kerek, I will do that from now on.

Steven



From d.mcglone at att.net  Thu Nov 20 00:42:32 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:42:32 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem. ** Resolved ** Thanks again to all
	who helped. I am very grateful.
In-Reply-To: <4924AA33.7030303@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<200811192321.59828.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<4924AA33.7030303@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811191942.33223.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 7:07:15 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> David Fletcher wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> I can't find kwalletmanager either, but it shows as installed.
> >>
> >> Steven
> >
> > From the KDE menu, select Run Command... and try putting in
> > kwalletmanager. That fires up a little wallet symbol down the bottom
> > right, wherever it's called, next to the clock display. Click it and you
> > get the manager. Go File New Wallet, give it the default name and a
> > password, and you're done.
>
> You are right, Dave and thanks.  I still don't have it as an item on
> Kmuen.  That would be nice, but not criticle.

right click on the kmenu icon and select "Menu Editor" enter the information 
to add it to your kmenu

-- 
David M.



From ejazzkatt at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 00:45:13 2008
From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:45:13 -0500
Subject: Grub Errors
Message-ID: <4924B319.30003@gmail.com>

I just installed Ubuntu because I seemed to have done something that 
stopped me from being able to boot Kubuntu. My computer used to dual 
boot that and Mandriva. Now I can get Mandriva to boot but I can't get 
Kubuntu to boot.

I have two hard drives and Mandriva is installed on one and Kubuntu on 
the other.

I get this error message when I try to boot into Kubuntu.

root (hd1,0)
Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0 x 83
Configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst
Error 18 selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by Bios


Anyone know how to straighten this out? I am not opposed to reinstalling 
either or both operating systems if that's the easiest solution. I just 
backed up all my files on both operating systems.

Thanks for your help.

Eric Jackson



From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 01:40:21 2008
From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:40:21 -0500
Subject: Grub Errors
In-Reply-To: <4924B319.30003@gmail.com>
References: <4924B319.30003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811192040.22225.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 7:45:13 pm Eric wrote:

> Error 18 selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by Bios

Try Googling the above -- there are a number of hits discussing this issue.

	-Jerry
-- 
=============================================
Jerry Lapham
Monroe, OH  45050
rjlapham at cinci.rr.com
=============================================
Virtuoso: someone who plays pieces of music of little artistic merit faster 
and louder than anyone else.



From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 20 01:52:11 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:52:11 -0400
Subject: 8.10: Konfused by KDE4
References: <hpkev5-dre.ln1@pepper.local.lan>
Message-ID: <2118759.zlkKh7MVSI@cedar.serverforest.com>

David M wrote:

> There is a big glassy panel on my desktop, entitled "Desktop". Umm,
> what on earth actually is this? What is it supposed to be/do? What am
> I supposed to do with it?

It's confusing, because your "Desktop" folder used to contain everything 
that was on your desktop.  Now, what shows as "Desktop" is just a folder 
view - and you can have any folder (or more than one) there.  And what's 
_on_ your desktop isn't necessarily _in_ your desktop!   Naturally I promptly dragged things from my Desktop folder to my desktop...

> The "titlebar" of this panel and the similar (but more obvious) sticky
> notes 'plasmoid' show to the side. Is there any way to have them show
> to the top, like a normal window?

I think not, and that's probably _specifically_ to differentiate plasmoids 
from windows.
> 
> These "titlebars" contain 4 icons, one of which looks like a close
> gadget, the other 3 are not obvious, and don't have tooltips either.

No they don't, and it ticked me off.  The top one is  "resize - hold the 
mouse down on it, and drag.  The next is "rotate".  The third should be 
obvious - it's the plasmoid's configuration.  And the bottom is "remove 
widget"

> The meaning of the "golden horn" at the end of a panel, and the larger
> one on the desktop are somewhat obscure, to say the least. 

I _think_ that's a Yin-Yang (I'm sure there's a name for that), but you 
could be right.  If it is, the right side is practically invisible.  
It's just the panel configuration button.

> ..which brings me to my next question. How do I adjust the amount of
> panel space that something takes up within a panel? The golden horn
> widgets don't seem to cover this (and having to click the golden horn
> just to move a panel applet is annoying: the old context-menu -> move
> applet routine was much more user-friendly).

You can do that if there's some blank space on the panel - but that was 
always a problem.  If there's no blank space, you get the context menu 
for the widget _on_ the panel - and kicker had the same problem. The 
icon just guarantees there's always somewhere you can get at the panel 
config.
 
> I have a window list embedded in one of my panels, but now it takes up
> all of the otherwise-free space in the panel, which I don't want it to
> do. How do I reduce the width that this window list takes up?   

Not a clue.
 
> Similarly, I have KNewsTicker in my other panel,

It should be possible to just stick that somewhere on the desktop.

> I was never a fan of the bifurcated 'start' menu in Windows XP and,
> sadly, I suspect the new multi-tabbed 'K' menu is going to annoy me
> almost as much (GNOME's use of three entirely separate menus is a much
> better solution to a crowded main menu, in my opinion). Is there any
> way to revert back to the traditional single menu?

Yes - choose the "classic" menu widget or right-click on the existing 
menu button and choose "classic" :-)

> Is there any way to
> switch the side-scrolling to the next menu 'level' back to the
> traditional 'pop-up' next level? The side-scrolling to bring up the
> next menu level seems particularly sluggish: I just want to start an
> app, not waste time watching an animation!

No idea, but I hate this one too.
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 03:55:35 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:55:35 -0500
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy, can anyone see why one
	HDD is partially crippled?
Message-ID: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>

For over a year, the HDD that my current OS is on, has had its larger 
partition unusable.  My system is Hardy KDE3.5.10.
The HDD is an 80gb Maxtor.  20gb was partitioned with ext3 and made 
primary.  My current version of Hardy in on that partition.  The balance 
is 58gb according to Dolphin, and is unusable and empty.  When I click 
on the vacant HDD, it says 'Permissin Denied'.  I would like to use the 
empty space.  Additionally, I have a vacant area, 14gb, for another OS 
that is unusable on a 200gb Maxtor HDD.  I wanted to put Intrepid on it 
to get some experience.  The balance of the drive is used for storage in 
two other partitions, one 68gb, the other 119gb.  I did not attach the 
screen print, because I am pretty sure it exceeds the size limit of the 
'List', however, I can send it to your email address for viewing.  If 
you have a solution for my problem, I will figure a way to describe the 
resolution of the problem and post that on the List, so others may learn 
from it.  TIA.

Steven



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 04:27:46 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:27:46 -0500
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,
	can anyone see why =?iso-8859-1?q?one=09HDD_is_partially?= crippled?
In-Reply-To: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>For over a year, the HDD that my current OS is on, has had its larger
>partition unusable.  My system is Hardy KDE3.5.10.
>The HDD is an 80gb Maxtor.  20gb was partitioned with ext3 and made
>primary.  My current version of Hardy in on that partition.  The balance
>is 58gb according to Dolphin, and is unusable and empty.  When I click
>on the vacant HDD, it says 'Permissin Denied'.  I would like to use the
>empty space.  Additionally, I have a vacant area, 14gb, for another OS
>that is unusable on a 200gb Maxtor HDD.  I wanted to put Intrepid on it
>to get some experience.  The balance of the drive is used for storage in
>two other partitions, one 68gb, the other 119gb.  I did not attach the
>screen print, because I am pretty sure it exceeds the size limit of the
>'List', however, I can send it to your email address for viewing.  If
>you have a solution for my problem, I will figure a way to describe the
>resolution of the problem and post that on the List, so others may learn
>from it.  TIA.
>
>Steven

I would start this little procedure by running 'badblocks' on both oif those 
drives to see if they are usable.  I have a 160 and a 200, both maxtors here, 
and I don't think badblocks would be happy with either.

Then if the data on them isn't precious, I'd just use fdisk to repartition 
them as you see fit.


-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
UBNC (user brain not connected)



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 05:28:50 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:28:50 -0500
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy, can anyone see why
	one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> For over a year, the HDD that my current OS is on, has had its larger
>> partition unusable.  My system is Hardy KDE3.5.10.
>> The HDD is an 80gb Maxtor.  20gb was partitioned with ext3 and made
>> primary.  My current version of Hardy in on that partition.  The balance
>> is 58gb according to Dolphin, and is unusable and empty.  When I click
>> on the vacant HDD, it says 'Permissin Denied'.  I would like to use the
>> empty space.  Additionally, I have a vacant area, 14gb, for another OS
>> that is unusable on a 200gb Maxtor HDD.  I wanted to put Intrepid on it
>> to get some experience.  The balance of the drive is used for storage in
>> two other partitions, one 68gb, the other 119gb.  I did not attach the
>> screen print, because I am pretty sure it exceeds the size limit of the
>> 'List', however, I can send it to your email address for viewing.  If
>> you have a solution for my problem, I will figure a way to describe the
>> resolution of the problem and post that on the List, so others may learn
>>     
> >from it.  TIA.
>   
>> Steven
>>     
>
> I would start this little procedure by running 'badblocks' on both oif those 
> drives to see if they are usable.  I have a 160 and a 200, both maxtors here, 
> and I don't think badblocks would be happy with either.
>   
How do I run badblocks, explain like I know nothing at all, please.
> Then if the data on them isn't precious, I'd just use fdisk to repartition 
> them as you see fit.
>   
It isn't precious, but I don't want to lose it if not necessary.  I am 
building a new computer.  Can I transfer the data to it, or will it 
corrupt a new HDD?

Thanks for the help.
Steven
>
>   




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 06:24:09 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:24:09 -0500
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,
	can anyone see =?iso-8859-1?q?why=09one_HDD_is_partially?= crippled?
In-Reply-To: <4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811200124.09736.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 20 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>> For over a year, the HDD that my current OS is on, has had its larger
>>> partition unusable.  My system is Hardy KDE3.5.10.
>>> The HDD is an 80gb Maxtor.  20gb was partitioned with ext3 and made
>>> primary.  My current version of Hardy in on that partition.  The balance
>>> is 58gb according to Dolphin, and is unusable and empty.  When I click
>>> on the vacant HDD, it says 'Permissin Denied'.  I would like to use the
>>> empty space.  Additionally, I have a vacant area, 14gb, for another OS
>>> that is unusable on a 200gb Maxtor HDD.  I wanted to put Intrepid on it
>>> to get some experience.  The balance of the drive is used for storage in
>>> two other partitions, one 68gb, the other 119gb.  I did not attach the
>>> screen print, because I am pretty sure it exceeds the size limit of the
>>> 'List', however, I can send it to your email address for viewing.  If
>>> you have a solution for my problem, I will figure a way to describe the
>>> resolution of the problem and post that on the List, so others may learn
>>>
>> >from it.  TIA.
>>>
>>> Steven
>>
>> I would start this little procedure by running 'badblocks' on both oif
>> those drives to see if they are usable.  I have a 160 and a 200, both
>> maxtors here, and I don't think badblocks would be happy with either.
>
>How do I run badblocks, explain like I know nothing at all, please.

Its a separate download I believe, so you may have to go get it.

Then its a read the manpage to see how you want to run it.  I would set it to 
generate an output file you can keep & read, also it can be fed back to 
setblocks, which will force the drive to mark them as bad & reallocate a new 
sector from its spares, until it run out of spares anyway.

>> Then if the data on them isn't precious, I'd just use fdisk to repartition
>> them as you see fit.
>
>It isn't precious, but I don't want to lose it if not necessary.  I am
>building a new computer.  Can I transfer the data to it, or will it
>corrupt a new HDD?

Not if the drive is already prepared, formatted and properly mounted, see man 
mount for how to do that.  You will need to make a directory in either /media 
or /mnt on the original drive, and then "mount -t ext3 /dev/sd? /mnt/dirname.
At that point you should see a listing of the drive and its free space with 
the command 'df'.

I've had some problems using cp to copy binaries and prefer to use something 
like mc for making a copy to another already formatted drive.  Or you can 
make a tar.gz out of the data, which will shrink it quite a bit & then copy 
the *tar.gz file to the other drive before unpacking it on that drive with a 
tar xzf your.tar.gz.

See the man pages for tar and gzip to make the compressed archive.

>Thanks for the help.
>Steven



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
No more blah, blah, blah!
		-- Kirk, "Miri", stardate 2713.6



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Thu Nov 20 07:11:20 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:11:20 +0100
Subject: Firefox 2.0.0.14
In-Reply-To: <200811191854.53915.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.16136.1227101602.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>	<49242760.3080005@mac.com>
	<200811191854.53915.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gg32io$vhq$1@ger.gmane.org>

Donn wrote:
> On Wednesday, 19 November 2008 16:49:04 Charly Avital wrote:
>> Synaptic Package Manager indicates that Firefox 3.0.4 is installed.
>> There is no mention of Firefox 2.0.0.14.
> Are you sure it's 'Synaptic'? If so, there's a good chance you are using 
> Ubuntu, not Kubuntu.
> 
Why this? Are only Gnome users privileged to do decent graphics packet 
management? ;-)

Eberhard, who uses synaptic on _K_ubuntu since it was firstly released.




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Thu Nov 20 07:30:10 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:30:10 +0100
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy, can anyone see why
	one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <gg33m3$34u$1@ger.gmane.org>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> How do I run badblocks, explain like I know nothing at all, please.
>> Then if the data on them isn't precious, I'd just use fdisk to repartition 
>> them as you see fit.
>>   
> It isn't precious, but I don't want to lose it if not necessary.  I am 
> building a new computer.  Can I transfer the data to it, or will it 
> corrupt a new HDD?

Sure you can, as long as you do not alter the HDD configuration on your 
old computer, and it will NOT corrupt a new HDD.

There are a multitude of possibilities to accomplish that, either by 
copy or as an image i.e. a sort of container where your old harddisk 
contents resides, ready to be accessed from your new computer.

In general my advice would be:
1. Get in contact with a computer literate friend (the emphasize is on 
"computer literate", not on "friend", before fumbling with your disk 
configuration and the data that's on your disk. This still applies, even 
if it costs you money. Insist that a good backup will be made before 
such work is even thought to be done.

2. Whenever you want to illustrate things via a screenshot, it is a VERY 
BAD, BAD, BAD idea to post it to the mailing list, since it floods 
anyones mailbox, broadband and modem users alike.

Instead get some space on the web.

Then transfer your screen shot and any other potential attachments there 
and, finally, just post the link in your mail.
> 
> Thanks for the help.

Your wellcome
Eberhard





From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 07:49:11 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:49:11 -0500
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy, can anyone see why
	one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <200811200124.09736.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811200124.09736.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <49251677.8040702@sbcglobal.net>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 20 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>>     
>>> On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> For over a year, the HDD that my current OS is on, has had its larger
>>>> partition unusable.  My system is Hardy KDE3.5.10.
>>>> The HDD is an 80gb Maxtor.  20gb was partitioned with ext3 and made
>>>> primary.  My current version of Hardy in on that partition.  The balance
>>>> is 58gb according to Dolphin, and is unusable and empty.  When I click
>>>> on the vacant HDD, it says 'Permissin Denied'.  I would like to use the
>>>> empty space.  Additionally, I have a vacant area, 14gb, for another OS
>>>> that is unusable on a 200gb Maxtor HDD.  I wanted to put Intrepid on it
>>>> to get some experience.  The balance of the drive is used for storage in
>>>> two other partitions, one 68gb, the other 119gb.  I did not attach the
>>>> screen print, because I am pretty sure it exceeds the size limit of the
>>>> 'List', however, I can send it to your email address for viewing.  If
>>>> you have a solution for my problem, I will figure a way to describe the
>>>> resolution of the problem and post that on the List, so others may learn
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> >from it.  TIA.
>>>       
>>>> Steven
>>>>         
>>> I would start this little procedure by running 'badblocks' on both oif
>>> those drives to see if they are usable.  I have a 160 and a 200, both
>>> maxtors here, and I don't think badblocks would be happy with either.
>>>       
>> How do I run badblocks, explain like I know nothing at all, please.
>>     
>
> Its a separate download I believe, so you may have to go get it.
>
> Then its a read the manpage to see how you want to run it.  I would set it to 
> generate an output file you can keep & read, also it can be fed back to 
> setblocks, which will force the drive to mark them as bad & reallocate a new 
> sector from its spares, until it run out of spares anyway.
>
>   
>>> Then if the data on them isn't precious, I'd just use fdisk to repartition
>>> them as you see fit.
>>>       
>> It isn't precious, but I don't want to lose it if not necessary.  I am
>> building a new computer.  Can I transfer the data to it, or will it
>> corrupt a new HDD?
>>     
>
> Not if the drive is already prepared, formatted and properly mounted, see man 
> mount for how to do that.  You will need to make a directory in either /media 
> or /mnt on the original drive, and then "mount -t ext3 /dev/sd? /mnt/dirname.
> At that point you should see a listing of the drive and its free space with 
> the command 'df'.
>   
Are you familiar with Hardy Disk&FileSystems in the Advanced tab of 
System Settings.  I am more familiar with a GUI.  In fact your 
explanation is over my head, yet.  Still, I am going to read; if I can 
generate the confidence, I will attempt your way.  If I can not generate 
the confidence, I may repost for help.
> I've had some problems using cp to copy binaries and prefer to use something 
> like mc for making a copy to another already formatted drive.  Or you can 
> make a tar.gz out of the data, which will shrink it quite a bit & then copy 
> the *tar.gz file to the other drive before unpacking it on that drive with a 
> tar xzf your.tar.gz.
>   
This is stuff I really want to know, however, I haven't learned how 
yet.  I have some time; will read and see if I can come up to speed.  I 
should have by now anyway. 
> See the man pages for tar and gzip to make the compressed archive.
>   
Thanks again, my friend.
Caio  ( I got that from a new Italian friend.)  or Cheers! (I got that 
from another.) I like them both.
>   
>> Thanks for the help.
>> Steven
>>     
>
>
>
>   




From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 08:04:15 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:04:15 +0300
Subject: 8.10: Konfused by KDE4
In-Reply-To: <hpkev5-dre.ln1@pepper.local.lan>
References: <hpkev5-dre.ln1@pepper.local.lan>
Message-ID: <492519FF.1090207@gmail.com>

David M wrote:
> I've just upgraded to 8.10, and although I knew KDE4 was going to be
> "different", it still came as quite a shock!
>
> Can I ask a few "dumb newbie" questions (since it looks like everything
> I thought I knew about KDE is now history, it does seem like I'm back to
> being a newbie..) about KDE4, and more importantly, a few "how do I fix
> this" questions?
>
> Dumb newbie:
>
> There is a big glassy panel on my desktop, entitled "Desktop". Umm, what
> on earth actually is this? What is it supposed to be/do? What am I
> supposed to do with it?
>
> The "titlebar" of this panel and the similar (but more obvious) sticky
> notes 'plasmoid' show to the side. Is there any way to have them show to
> the top, like a normal window?
>
> These "titlebars" contain 4 icons, one of which looks like a close gadget,
> the other 3 are not obvious, and don't have tooltips either. What do
> these do?
>
>
> The meaning of the "golden horn" at the end of a panel, and the larger one
> on the desktop are somewhat obscure, to say the least. I can see real
> newbies being utterly terrified by these. Nevertheless, I went down the
> "What *on earth* is that?" route, and clicked them regardless.. I'll be
> brutally honest: if I hadn't done so, I would *never* have worked out
> that that's where the panel config options had gone to..
>
> ..which brings me to my next question. How do I adjust the amount of
> panel space that something takes up within a panel? The golden horn
> widgets don't seem to cover this (and having to click the golden horn
> just to move a panel applet is annoying: the old context-menu -> move
> applet routine was much more user-friendly).
>
> I have a window list embedded in one of my panels, but now it takes up
> all of the otherwise-free space in the panel, which I don't want it to
> do. How do I reduce the width that this window list takes up? How do I
> change the window list "group when.." settings (The 'nib' that each
> panel applet used to have in KDE3 seems to be gone, so that there is
> no free space where I can 'right-click' to bring up the applet's
> context menu)?
>
> Similarly, I have KNewsTicker in my other panel, which now takes up the
> full width of the panel (at least it runs underneath other icons, rather
> than over them). This is annoying (and makes the icons hard to
> distinguish), and again, I want to reduce the amount of panel width that
> KNewsTicker takes up. (On a related note, is KNewsTicker still alive? It
> seemed not to have been updated for quite a while, but I never found
> anything newer to replace it. However, in KDE4 the KNewsTicker settings
> window has changed, which suggests there has been at least some work?)
>
>
> I was never a fan of the bifurcated 'start' menu in Windows XP and,
> sadly, I suspect the new multi-tabbed 'K' menu is going to annoy me
> almost as much (GNOME's use of three entirely separate menus is a much
> better solution to a crowded main menu, in my opinion). Is there any way
> to revert back to the traditional single menu? Is there any way to switch
> the side-scrolling to the next menu 'level' back to the traditional
> 'pop-up' next level? The side-scrolling to bring up the next menu level
> seems particularly sluggish: I just want to start an app, not waste time
> watching an animation!
>
>
> How do I fix this:
>
> I have a now-deprecated fairly old NVidia graphics card (not KDE's
> fault, but 'bah' nonetheless), and so all the new bling now does seem
> quite sluggish with the plain 'nv' driver. Is there an easy way to switch
> off or minimise bling so as to put less pressure on the graphics driver?
>
> gkrellm now appears with KDE window borders around it (regardless of its
> own "use window manager decorations" setting, and its configuration
> applet seems to have reverted to GTK1 appearance (as has BOINC manager).
> Does anyone have any ideas how to fix these problems?
>
>
> I've always been a fan of KDE (user since KDE 1.something!), and have
> always preferred it to GNOME, but I'm afraid to say that I think with
> KDE4, the core devs have started to go in a direction that I'm not
> liking. With previous KDE releases, progress was always forwards, but
> now I'm no longer so sure..
>
>
> If anyone can offer any advice to help me have a happy KDE experience
> again, I'd be most grateful :-)
>
>
> David.
>
>   
Hello David,

please get acquainted with
http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/desktop.php document. Probably you 
will pick some answers there.



From godshatter at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 08:11:47 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:11:47 -0800
Subject: 8.04: Compiz broken?
In-Reply-To: <200811191426.47920.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811191048v7a17f470yda5a5855e18dd71a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811191426.47920.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49251BC3.5060201@yahoo.com>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 1:48:08 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>   
>> Not having updated anything recently, I just logged into Kubuntu 8.04
>> (KDE 3.5.10) and Compiz effects no longer work. I rarely reset this
>> computer so there may have been an update that broke Compiz, but I
>> know neither what nor when. Any ideas where to start looking?
>>
>>     
>
> Things seem to be working on my up to date installation.  Are you sure it's 
> broken?  I have to right click the fusion icon and reload the window manager 
> every time I log in.  As saved sessions don't reload compiz on KDE, nor the 
> icon, I have set the icon as a persistent entry in the quick launch area of 
> the panel, and just remember to launch it and reload the wm every time I log 
> in.
>   
Hmm.  Mine stays between reboots, I'm not sure what I did to make that 
happen. 

I've had mine not load every now and then, and just ran compiz from the 
little command-line thing I added to a panel (probably just from a 
terminal is good enough).  That doesn't happen very often, though.

Occasionally, mine will not load the adept updater icon into the panel 
and make it a normal window.  I'm not sure what triggers this, but it 
may be clicking on something before compiz is done loading.

I've also had it lose the emerald window decorations, but I just get 
them back from the compiz fusion icon.

Paul




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 08:36:20 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:36:20 -0500
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy, can anyone see why
	one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <gg33m3$34u$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
	<gg33m3$34u$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <49252184.6040006@sbcglobal.net>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> How do I run badblocks, explain like I know nothing at all, please.
>>     
>>> Then if the data on them isn't precious, I'd just use fdisk to repartition 
>>> them as you see fit.
>>>   
>>>       
>> It isn't precious, but I don't want to lose it if not necessary.  I am 
>> building a new computer.  Can I transfer the data to it, or will it 
>> corrupt a new HDD?
>>     
>
> Sure you can, as long as you do not alter the HDD configuration on your 
> old computer, and it will NOT corrupt a new HDD.
>
> There are a multitude of possibilities to accomplish that, either by 
> copy or as an image i.e. a sort of container where your old harddisk 
> contents resides, ready to be accessed from your new computer.
>
> In general my advice would be:
> 1. Get in contact with a computer literate friend (the emphasize is on 
> "computer literate", not on "friend", before fumbling with your disk 
> configuration and the data that's on your disk. This still applies, even 
> if it costs you money. Insist that a good backup will be made before 
> such work is even thought to be done.
>   
You are right in the middle of why it is taking me so long to learn the 
OS.  I am 65, totally alone, only have expert help here, and I never was 
an intellectual.  If I didn't love this stuff so much, I would have quit 
years ago.  To show you where I am, yesterday was the first time I got 
in the help and manual section of the OS.  I have been fighting to stay 
afloat by experimenting with code placed in a posts for perhaps even 
different purposes than my need.  I have crashed my system to re-install 
so many times, you would think I be there by now.  But my human memory 
is quite defective, and I have to go through a successful process 
several times before it anchors on anything permanently, consequently it 
takes a long time for me to make little steps forward.  Nonetheless, 
with entry to the manuals I have a chance.  I am overwhelmed by the 
available help.  It is just a thrill.  I am so happy with the new access 
to information that I laugh with nothing funny happening.  Terminology 
is a little much for me sometimes, but a lot is starting to sink in.  If 
I had close contact with a specialist, I think I could speed things up.  
I just don't know.  My goal is to be able to adequately use the Shell, 
before I croak.  I literally love all you who are helping me.  You have 
no idea my gratitude.  I have struggled for months to learn simple 
solutions in the past.  That is how it is when you don't know where to 
start, don't know how to get there and don't have an educated friend to 
help you.  I read every post, every day; some is sinking in.
> 2. Whenever you want to illustrate things via a screenshot, it is a VERY 
> BAD, BAD, BAD idea to post it to the mailing list, since it floods 
> anyones mailbox, broadband and modem users alike.
>   
As you can see, I did not post my screenshot.  But I did invite the 
possibility.  I am so grateful for the help, I don't want to anger 
anyone on the list by doing something inappropriate.  Shoot, I don't 
even know the right questions to ask most of the time.  And I am 
surprised when you can understand my ramblings, because I rarely 
understand your instructions.

How can I reveal my existing condition then, with my limited knowledge.  
I thought if you saw my Disk&FileSystems page you could see how I 
screwed up the process by experimenting and see how to make things work 
better.  Shoot, sometimes I format, just to get rid of the crud I have 
made and to start clean again.
> Instead get some space on the web.
>   
Here is something I don't even understand.  What space and where, and if 
it costs very much, I am unable.  I am a retired fine-artist; I never 
have had any money.  Now I have to be and am retired on a retirement so 
low it doesn't come up to what some of you tip in a month.
> Then transfer your screen shot and any other potential attachments there 
> and, finally, just post the link in your mail.
>   

If you will tell me how to do this or refer me to a place that will 
explain how, I will.  Shoot, I will stay up again tonight and have it 
available tomorrow.  This is exciting stuff, just to know an acceptable 
way to make my requests.  I don't want to do anything that degrades any 
of your work situation.  I cherish the help and will do what is 
necessary to be the least negative influence possible.  You have me 
laughing with joy just by telling me the last two answered comments.
>> Thanks for the help.
>>     
And again, thanks for the help, no comment required.
Steven
>
> Your wellcome
> Eberhard
>
>
>
>   




From dave at thefletchers.net  Thu Nov 20 09:20:42 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:20:42 +0000
Subject: Kmail configuration problem. ** Resolved ** Thanks again to all
	who helped. I am very grateful.
In-Reply-To: <4924AA33.7030303@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
	<200811192321.59828.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<4924AA33.7030303@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811200920.42669.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Thursday 20 November 2008 00:07:15 Steven Vollom wrote:
> David Fletcher wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> I can't find kwalletmanager either, but it shows as installed.
> >>
> >> Steven
> >
> > From the KDE menu, select Run Command... and try putting in
> > kwalletmanager. That fires up a little wallet symbol down the bottom
> > right, wherever it's called, next to the clock display. Click it and you
> > get the manager. Go File New Wallet, give it the default name and a
> > password, and you're done.
>
> You are right, Dave and thanks.  I still don't have it as an item on
> Kmuen.  That would be nice, but not criticle.
>
> > Dave


You can add it to the menu but I find that after you've started it up once KDE 
remembers to start it up automagically for you every time you log in.

Dave



From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 09:23:33 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:23:33 +0700
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,
	can anyone see why one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <49252184.6040006@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net> <gg33m3$34u$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<49252184.6040006@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8f6eb7340811200123j60cefdafu4152fdf47caae50d@mail.gmail.com>

Steven,

Getting back to your OP, you said 'permission denied' I think. Maybe I
missed something here but I think I'd be starting with:
sudo fdisk -l
on the system with the 80 gig Maxtor. You will get a list of the partition
types on the drive.
Then post the output of that to the list.
BTW the option to fdisk is 'l' for lollipop not the figure 'one'. In my
typeface it's hard to see the difference ymmv.

Bob
-- 
In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!
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From jonorland at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 09:50:49 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:50:49 +0100
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,
	can anyone see why one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811200150wb707ac4t1b1d308be35cca80@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/20 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>> For over a year, the HDD that my current OS is on, has had its larger
>>> partition unusable.  My system is Hardy KDE3.5.10.
>>> The HDD is an 80gb Maxtor.  20gb was partitioned with ext3 and made
>>> primary.  My current version of Hardy in on that partition.  The balance
>>> is 58gb according to Dolphin, and is unusable and empty.  When I click
>>> on the vacant HDD, it says 'Permissin Denied'.  I would like to use the
>>> empty space.  Additionally, I have a vacant area, 14gb, for another OS
>>> that is unusable on a 200gb Maxtor HDD.  I wanted to put Intrepid on it
>>> to get some experience.  The balance of the drive is used for storage in
>>> two other partitions, one 68gb, the other 119gb.  I did not attach the
>>> screen print, because I am pretty sure it exceeds the size limit of the
>>> 'List', however, I can send it to your email address for viewing.  If
>>> you have a solution for my problem, I will figure a way to describe the
>>> resolution of the problem and post that on the List, so others may learn
>>>
>> >from it.  TIA.
>>
>>> Steven
>>>
>>
>> I would start this little procedure by running 'badblocks' on both oif those
>> drives to see if they are usable.  I have a 160 and a 200, both maxtors here,
>> and I don't think badblocks would be happy with either.
>>
> How do I run badblocks, explain like I know nothing at all, please.

You can run badblocks with one of the fsck commands. If the partition
has a ext3 filesystem and is on /dev/sda2 you can run
"fsck.ext3 -cckf /dev/sda2" and the bad block scan will be done using
a non-destructive read-write test. This take a long time so run over
the night. And make sure the partition is not mounted.

There are several fsck.*** tools where *** is ext2, vfat, msdos,
reiserfs depending on the filesystem you want to scan.
You can read more on the different fsck with man.

As already advised give us the output of "sudo fdisk -l" then we can
help you with the exact command.

/ Jonas



From dave at thefletchers.net  Thu Nov 20 10:36:29 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:36:29 +0000
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail in
	Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <49244128.9090103@sbcglobal.net>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net> <4923E60B.2000602@gmail.com>
	<49244128.9090103@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811201036.29827.dave@thefletchers.net>


I've not been following this thread, but a thought just occurred to me:-

When I wanted to copy the contents of my kaddressbook from my desktop computer 
to my laptop, I did, I think, an export as CSV list from my desktop and 
copied that file to my laptop.

Now, the strangeness. To import that CSV file, you have to specify to 
Kaddressbook the format as you open it. It needs an option selected from a 
drop-down, if I remember correctly, to specify what the headers mean, or 
something like that. If I ran the import facility using Kontact, that drop 
down list was empty, so I was unable to import my CSV file. If I shut down 
Kontact and ran Kaddressbok directly, that drop down list in the import  
facility was populated and had an option that was the obvious choice, and the 
import worked perfectly. I could then shut down Kaddressbook and restart 
Kontact, and all my information was there.

This might be irrelevant to this particular thread, but useful to somebody.

Dave



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 10:53:23 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:53:23 -0500
Subject: Grub Errors
In-Reply-To: <200811192040.22225.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
References: <4924B319.30003@gmail.com>
	<200811192040.22225.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811200253s68400688g589cf3ad5449f4a8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Jerry Lapham <rjlapham at cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 7:45:13 pm Eric wrote:
>
>> Error 18 selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by Bios
>
> Try Googling the above -- there are a number of hits discussing this issue.

http://www.google.com/search?q=+Error+18+selected+cylinder+exceeds+maximum+supported+by+Bios

Right, and many of them involve Ubuntu/Kubuntu upgrades.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Thu Nov 20 11:24:41 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:24:41 +0100
Subject: free webspace (was: Re: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,
	can anyone see why   one HDD is partially crippled?)
In-Reply-To: <49252184.6040006@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>	<gg33m3$34u$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<49252184.6040006@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <gg3hdp$g8k$1@ger.gmane.org>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> You are right in the middle of why it is taking me so long to learn the 
> OS.  I am 65, totally alone, only have expert help here, and I never was 
> an intellectual.  If I didn't love this stuff so much, I would have quit 
> years ago.  To show you where I am, yesterday was the first time I got 
> in the help and manual section of the OS.  I have been fighting to stay 
> afloat by experimenting with code placed in a posts for perhaps even 
> different purposes than my need.  I have crashed my system to re-install 
> so many times, you would think I be there by now.  But my human memory 
> is quite defective, and I have to go through a successful process 
> several times before it anchors on anything permanently, consequently it 
> takes a long time for me to make little steps forward.  Nonetheless, 
> with entry to the manuals I have a chance.  I am overwhelmed by the 
> available help.  It is just a thrill.  I am so happy with the new access 
> to information that I laugh with nothing funny happening.  Terminology 
> is a little much for me sometimes, but a lot is starting to sink in.  If 
> I had close contact with a specialist, I think I could speed things up.  
> I just don't know.  My goal is to be able to adequately use the Shell, 
> before I croak.  I literally love all you who are helping me.  You have 
> no idea my gratitude.  I have struggled for months to learn simple 
> solutions in the past.  That is how it is when you don't know where to 
> start, don't know how to get there and don't have an educated friend to 
> help you.  I read every post, every day; some is sinking in.
>> 2. Whenever you want to illustrate things via a screenshot, it is a VERY 
>> BAD, BAD, BAD idea to post it to the mailing list, since it floods 
>> anyones mailbox, broadband and modem users alike.
>>   
> As you can see, I did not post my screenshot.  But I did invite the 
> possibility.  I am so grateful for the help, I don't want to anger 
> anyone on the list by doing something inappropriate.  Shoot, I don't 
> even know the right questions to ask most of the time.  And I am 
> surprised when you can understand my ramblings, because I rarely 
> understand your instructions.
> 

Hi Steven,

thanks much for explanation. This helps to understand each other much 
better.

Now, when I said; You are welcome, I reallly, really meant it like this!!

You are wellcome to ask any question, ask again, when the gurus here are 
over your head (they are over my head more often than I think is ok and 
personally I cannot understand why a newbie question is answered with a 
details that a newbie will not understand... Anyway, you are welcome to 
ask once again and continue as long as you need it.
This is the nature of Linux and there imho is no one who knows it all.

> How can I reveal my existing condition then, with my limited knowledge.  
> I thought if you saw my Disk&FileSystems page you could see how I 
> screwed up the process by experimenting and see how to make things work 
> better.  Shoot, sometimes I format, just to get rid of the crud I have 
> made and to start clean again.
>> Instead get some space on the web.
>>   
> Here is something I don't even understand.  What space and where, and if 
> it costs very much, I am unable.  

Here you go:
http://www.free-webhosts.com/

Furthermore, it is worth checking whether your internet and/or mail 
provider is already offering some webspace for free with their services.

Then you simply use a graphical ftp program and transfer your 
screenshot, login files, basically anything that is useful to illustrate 
your problem and what you have done to solve it.
> 

>> Your wellcome
>> Eberhard
>>
>>
>>
>>   
> 
> 




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 15:38:29 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:38:29 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <491992F2.2010400@gmail.com>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
	<49192919.2050207@lemmons.name>	<491990A2.8020405@sbcglobal.net>
	<491992F2.2010400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4919A6F5.1060101@sbcglobal.net>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Paul Lemmons wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  
>>>> I went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  
>>>> Their computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a 
>>>> program that converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a 
>>>> Microsoft PC?  I only have a few days to comply, so thanks for 
>>>> considering this an important problem.  My gratitude in advance.
>>>> Steven
>>>>   
>>>>         
>>> Have it print to a pdf instead of ps.
>>>
>>> print->print to file  Output Format     * PDF  o Postscript
>>>       
>> That is what it says when I print, PDF.  But when the item copied shows 
>> up on the desktop, it is entered as mozilla.ps, and that is not 
>> recognized by Windows.  The only person who can help me has had many 
>> troubles with Mozilla on his computer.  When I tried to print th .ps 
>> file on his computer, the computer was redirected to a Microsoft site 
>> for unrecognized file types.  My friend did not want to download 
>> anything relating to Mozilla; his troubles were so great when he did 
>> that he just wouldn't do it.
>>
>>     
>
> Steven, try as someone else suggested, to use the program ps2pdf on ur
> linux box. on a terminal, cd to the directory containing the .ps file,
> and type in the terminal:
> ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf    (or whatever the name of the file is)
> if ps2pdf is not installed on ur system, it will complain, and it would
> tell you what package is needed to have this ps2pdf program, and trust,
> it's a very helpful error message, that will tell you the exact command
> needed to get the program :-)
> give it a try
>
>   
I just tried the following and got the screen print attached.
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 15:57:45 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:57:45 -0500
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <4919A64C.4030609@gmail.com>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>
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Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.  I
>>>> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
>>>> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program
>>>> that
>>>> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC? 
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> How about ps2pdf?  You should have it.
>>>   
>>>       
>> I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it.  When 
>> I attempt to save, it is not an option.  But thanks anyway!
>>
>>     
>
> read my email steven, i explained about the program and how to get it on
> this thread, search for my email ;-)
>
>   
Is this what you are referring to?

Steven, try as someone else suggested, to use the program ps2pdf on ur 
linux box. on a terminal, cd to the directory containing the .ps file, 
and type in the terminal: ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf (or whatever the 
name of the file is) if ps2pdf is not installed on ur system, it will 
complain, and it would tell you what package is needed to have this 
ps2pdf program, and trust, it's a very helpful error message, that will 
tell you the exact command needed to get the program :-) give it a try
-- Willy K. Hamra

Were you able to read the screen print I sent in the last email?  It 
shows my efforts to comply with the instruction as well as an experiment 
that seemed to try to work.  I saved the file to the desktop.  When I 
typed in cd desktop, or then cd /desktop, or sudo cd desktop, thinking 
maybe it was a root entry, I did not get anything.  When I typed in 
mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf, I got what is on the attachment of this email.  
I hope you can see I do not understand the instruction very well.  I 
hope I am not frustrating you with my ignorance.

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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 16:11:08 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:11:08 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can	be read in a Microsoft OS?
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>>     
>
> to get a listing of all files, try "ls"
> the Desktop is "Desktop" iirc
>   
I have deleted previous comments; I was told by the moderator that my 
post was getting too long.

The attachment shows the result of ls, mozilla.pdf appears, but not when 
I look at my desktop.  the file extension is .ps on my desktop.  The 
attachment shows my desktop with the most recent terminal picture.

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 13:31:00 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:31:00 +0200
Subject: 8.04: Compiz broken?
In-Reply-To: <200811191426.47920.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811191048v7a17f470yda5a5855e18dd71a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811191426.47920.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811200531r42419876xb2980d3fb8dedc09@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/19 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 1:48:08 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> Not having updated anything recently, I just logged into Kubuntu 8.04
>> (KDE 3.5.10) and Compiz effects no longer work. I rarely reset this
>> computer so there may have been an update that broke Compiz, but I
>> know neither what nor when. Any ideas where to start looking?
>>
>
> Things seem to be working on my up to date installation.  Are you sure it's
> broken?  I have to right click the fusion icon and reload the window manager
> every time I log in.  As saved sessions don't reload compiz on KDE, nor the
> icon, I have set the icon as a persistent entry in the quick launch area of
> the panel, and just remember to launch it and reload the wm every time I log
> in.
>

In the fusion icon I see that my window manager is Compiz. If I switch
to Kwin then the screen goes completely white.
-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 14:18:56 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:18:56 -0500
Subject: Kmail configuration problem. ** Resolved ** Thanks again to all
	who helped. I am very grateful.
In-Reply-To: <200811200920.42669.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <49239b02.1c89.b7196b90.6c68535d@blackpaw.dyndns.org>	<200811192321.59828.dave@thefletchers.net>	<4924AA33.7030303@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811200920.42669.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <492571D0.5010802@sbcglobal.net>

David Fletcher wrote:
> On Thursday 20 November 2008 00:07:15 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> David Fletcher wrote:
>>     
>>> On Wednesday 19 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I can't find kwalletmanager either, but it shows as installed.
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>         
>>> From the KDE menu, select Run Command... and try putting in
>>> kwalletmanager. That fires up a little wallet symbol down the bottom
>>> right, wherever it's called, next to the clock display. Click it and you
>>> get the manager. Go File New Wallet, give it the default name and a
>>> password, and you're done.
>>>       
>> You are right, Dave and thanks.  I still don't have it as an item on
>> Kmuen.  That would be nice, but not criticle.
>>
>>     
>>> Dave
>>>       
>
>
> You can add it to the menu but I find that after you've started it up once KDE 
> remembers to start it up automagically for you every time you log in.
>
> Dave
>
>   
Thanks Dave.  I have made so many improvements lately, I have problems 
remembering who helped me solve my problems.  I have Kwallet working and 
like it.  Also, I am going to make a habit of using the run command as a 
method of opening packages.  As I learn how to take advantage of using 
the run commandand's capabilities, I will use it to pretty much work 
like a steering wheel.  I also plan, now that I have started using the 
Help feature to be my first source of answers, to learn some of the 
basic commands for getting certain things done, some of the things that 
happen often, and use the shell.  Perhaps if I can become less 
intimidated by it, I will learn a little faster; what do you think?  I 
know I should be embarrassed about admitting my past weaknesses, but I 
feel equally stupid having to ask some of the same questions over and 
over for lack of knowing a few of the basic tools of this distribution.  
By the way did I use the term distribution properly?  I mean Kubuntu 
Hardy there.  You have helped remove some of the stress associated with 
trying to function without training.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 20 14:23:33 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:23:33 +0000
Subject: New 8.04 install fail on booting
Message-ID: <200811201423.33953.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

Today, my system went slower and slower and almost ground to 
a complete halt. I had Firefox loaded with 3 tabs, nothing 
special while reading the article about the new kde4 
desktop features when it happened. I also had Realplayer 
playing a radio commentary of cricket. I managed to quit 
firefox eventually and checked top to see if that had any 
clues. It showed Xorg using 75% memory.

I decided to reboot hoping to clear the problem (maybe a 
leaky memory of something like that). Now when I start 
Kubuntu 8.04 I get a fail on file system check and a 
terminal/console? is opened for me to run a manual check. I 
don't as I have no idea what to do. I just close Ctrl+D and 
the system then boots into the desktop. There is a message 
that says a log is saved at /var/log/fsck/checkfs as shown 
below.

-----------------------------------------------
Log of fsck -C3 -R -A -a 
Thu Nov 20 14:06:50 2008

fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008)
/dev/sda6 contains a file system with errors, check forced.
Error reading block 208360 (Attempt to read block from 
filesystem resulted in short read) while reading indirect 
blocks of inode 1223105.  

/dev/sda6: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
	(i.e., without -a or -p options)
fsck died with exit status 4

Thu Nov 20 14:10:00 2008
----------------

Anyone any ideas of what happened to cause this and how to 
clear this problem?

nepal.



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Thu Nov 20 14:34:52 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:34:52 +0200
Subject: Setting up WPA
Message-ID: <4925758C.9060000@prayingforisrael.net>

OK, I have a wireless router that can use WPA. I read some articles about setting up WPA but 
didn't find anything specific to either Kubuntu 8.04 or 8.10.

Can someone point me to a [recent] 'howto' or give a simple explanation here?

Do I need to install wpasupplicant?

TIA

Nigel

-- 



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 14:51:52 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:51:52 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however, trying to learn how to use terminal
	to fix mount problem.
Message-ID: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>

My sdb 5 partition is unusable.  sdb1 is the partition that contains my 
OS.  sdb5 is empty with an access denied.  Additionally, sda1 is ext3 
bootable 15gb I would like to put Intrepid in there, but haven't been 
able.  Below is my current fdisk -l.
This stuff is above my head; perhaps not after today.

Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
/dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
/dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux

Partition table entries are not in disk order

Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xffffffff

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
/dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
/dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux

If it helps to know, sda2 and sda5 are storage.  sdb5 is intended 
storage.  I am sure you can probably see that partitioning and mounting 
were done by an inexperienced user with little knowledge of how to 
perform the task.  It was done by experimentation and mostly works.  
Thanks for any help you may provide that straightens it out and makes 
sdb5 functional.  Also, I would just love to drop a live Intrepid CD in 
the ROM and have it request install on sda1.  Thanks in advance for your 
help and patience with me.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 15:14:37 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:14:37 -0500
Subject: What do the [+'s] mean in sda1 & sda7, sdb2 & sdb5 below?
Message-ID: <49257EDD.6020401@sbcglobal.net>

If you did not understand the below, what would you Google or what in 
man:locate would direct me to an answer to my question?  Thanks!

*Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
/dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
/dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux

Partition table entries are not in disk order

Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xffffffff

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
/dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
/dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
steven at Studio25:~$                                 *

Steven






From art.alexion at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 15:36:23 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:36:23 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	=?utf-8?q?can=09be_read_in_a_Microsoft?= OS?
In-Reply-To: <4919AE9C.3090809@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
	<a7f8874a0811110739q7fad77cel3b7c3e18af03a0f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4919AE9C.3090809@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811201036.28927.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 11 November 2008 11:11:08 am Steven Vollom wrote:
> >>    
> >
> > to get a listing of all files, try "ls"
> > the Desktop is "Desktop" iirc
> >  
>
> I have deleted previous comments; I was told by the moderator that my
> post was getting too long.
>
> The attachment shows the result of ls, mozilla.pdf appears, but not when
> I look at my desktop.  the file extension is .ps on my desktop.  The
> attachment shows my desktop with the most recent terminal picture.

I can see from your screen shot that you are running the command from your 
home directory (~ or /home/steven), but your question reveals that the 
mozilla.ps file is on your Desktop (~/Desktop or /home/steven/Desktop).  So, 
ps2pdf can't find the mozilla.ps file and errors out.

You have to tell ps2pdf where to find the file.  There are two ways to do 
this.  One way is to give it a path.  Instead of 

	steven at Studio25:~$ ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf

use

	steven at Studio25:~$ Desktop/ps2pdf mozilla.ps Desktop/mozilla.pdf

or just change to the directory and execute the command.

	steven at Studio25:~$ cd Desktop/
	steven at Studio25:~/Desktop$ ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf

By the way, you don't need to specify the output file for ps2pdf if you just 
want to change the extension.  So

	ps2pdf mozilla.ps

gives the same result as

	ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf

You only need to specify the output file if (1) you want to give it a 
different name, or (2) you want it created in a different location.  An 
example of both: 

	steven at Studio25:~/Desktop$ ps2pdf mozilla.ps ../Documents/meaningful_name.pdf
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From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 20 15:43:21 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:43:21 +0000
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,
	trying to learn how to use terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811201543.21551.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Thu 20 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id
>  System /dev/sda1   *           1        1824  
>  14651248+  83  Linux /dev/sda2            1825      
> 24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda5        
>   16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux /dev/sda6    
>        1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap /
> Solaris /dev/sda7            2007       16522  
> 116599738+  83  Linux

useful tip Steve,

when displaying things like this within KMail, if you right 
click with the mouse on the message body itself, and 
select "use fixed font" it will display your info correctly 
aligned in nice columns. When you've finished looking at 
it, just right click again to use your normal font.

nepal.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 15:48:00 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:48:00 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
Message-ID: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net>

I did the following in the Shell: 

steven at Studio25:~$ e2fsck -c
Usage: e2fsck [-panyrcdfvstDFSV] [-b superblock] [-B blocksize]
                [-I inode_buffer_blocks] [-P process_inode_size]
                [-l|-L bad_blocks_file] [-C fd] [-j external_journal]
                [-E extended-options] device

Emergency help:
 -p                   Automatic repair (no questions)
 -n                   Make no changes to the filesystem
 -y                   Assume "yes" to all questions
 -c                   Check for bad blocks and add them to the badblock list
 -f                   Force checking even if filesystem is marked clean
 -v                   Be verbose
 -b superblock        Use alternative superblock
 -B blocksize         Force blocksize when looking for superblock
 -j external_journal  Set location of the external journal
 -l bad_blocks_file   Add to badblocks list
 -L bad_blocks_file   Set badblocks list
steven at Studio25:~$

The following was included in a search:

*Important note:* If the output of *badblocks* is going to be fed to the 
*e2fsck* or *mke2fs* programs, it is important that the block size is 
properly specified, since the block numbers which are generated are very 
dependent on the block size in use by the filesystem. For this reason, 
it is strongly recommended that users *not* run *badblocks* directly, 
but rather use the *-c* option of the *e2fsck* and *mke2fs* programs.


Does the size of the blocks show here:

255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
/dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
/dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux

Partition table entries are not in disk order

Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xffffffff

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
/dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
/dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
steven at Studio25:~$                

If there are badblocks and they are identified on the HDD, can the HDD 
still be used?  If I format the HDD, will the badblocks be wiped and 
usable after format?  TIA.

Steven



From mailinglists at invisibleray.com  Thu Nov 20 15:54:06 2008
From: mailinglists at invisibleray.com (Laurent Humblet)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:54:06 +0100
Subject: Install Cisco VPN client on Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18975.1227196083.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
References: <mailman.18975.1227196083.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <4925881E.10501@invisibleray.com>

Hi,

I need to install the Cisco VPN client on Kubuntu 8.10.  As I had a 
quick search for howtos, I realised that most of them are for previous 
versions of Ubuntu.

My query here is to ask for advice and/or experience on installing the 
Cisco VPN client on Kubuntu 8.10.

I'm still Googling up in the meantime.

Thank you for your help,
Laurent



From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 16:02:15 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:02:15 +0700
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,
	trying to learn how to use terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8f6eb7340811200802p635c6ed0s24dfad2e2c7a11fb@mail.gmail.com>

OK, going back a while you said you did not have permission to use the
partition you want to use for data.
Please post the output of using the command:
mount
just like that, no options. That should get to the bottom of your
permissions problem.
Bob

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> My sdb 5 partition is unusable.  sdb1 is the partition that contains my
> OS.  sdb5 is empty with an access denied.  Additionally, sda1 is ext3
> bootable 15gb I would like to put Intrepid in there, but haven't been
> able.  Below is my current fdisk -l.
> This stuff is above my head; perhaps not after today.
>
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3
>
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
> /dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
> /dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
> /dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap /
> Solaris
> /dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux
>
> Partition table entries are not in disk order
>
> Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0xffffffff
>
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
> /dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap /
> Solaris
> /dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
> /dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
>
> If it helps to know, sda2 and sda5 are storage.  sdb5 is intended
> storage.  I am sure you can probably see that partitioning and mounting
> were done by an inexperienced user with little knowledge of how to
> perform the task.  It was done by experimentation and mostly works.
> Thanks for any help you may provide that straightens it out and makes
> sdb5 functional.  Also, I would just love to drop a live Intrepid CD in
> the ROM and have it request install on sda1.  Thanks in advance for your
> help and patience with me.
>
>
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 16:02:59 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:02:59 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,	trying to learn how to use
	terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811201543.21551.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201543.21551.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <49258A33.5010801@sbcglobal.net>

nepal google wrote:
> On Thu 20 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id
>>  System /dev/sda1   *           1        1824  
>>  14651248+  83  Linux /dev/sda2            1825      
>> 24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda5        
>>   16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux /dev/sda6    
>>        1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap /
>> Solaris /dev/sda7            2007       16522  
>> 116599738+  83  Linux
>>     
>
> useful tip Steve,
>
> when displaying things like this within KMail, if you right 
> click with the mouse on the message body itself, and 
> select "use fixed font" it will display your info correctly 
> aligned in nice columns. When you've finished looking at 
> it, just right click again to use your normal font.
>
> nepal.
>
>   
Dear Nepal,

I haven't been able to get the smtp functioning on Kmail, so I am using 
Thunderbird.  I could not find the option for 'use fixed font'.  I found 
fixed width and clicked on it and will repost.  Thanks.  Can I just 
leave it on fixed width, or is that a problem for regular sending?  
Fixed width is the reason the print changed in this response, isn't it?  
Thanks, Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 16:06:45 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:06:45 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
Message-ID: <49258B15.906@sbcglobal.net>

I did the following in the Shell:
steven at Studio25:~$ e2fsck -c
Usage: e2fsck [-panyrcdfvstDFSV] [-b superblock] [-B blocksize]
               [-I inode_buffer_blocks] [-P process_inode_size]
               [-l|-L bad_blocks_file] [-C fd] [-j external_journal]
               [-E extended-options] device

Emergency help:
-p                   Automatic repair (no questions)
-n                   Make no changes to the filesystem
-y                   Assume "yes" to all questions
-c                   Check for bad blocks and add them to the badblock list
-f                   Force checking even if filesystem is marked clean
-v                   Be verbose
-b superblock        Use alternative superblock
-B blocksize         Force blocksize when looking for superblock
-j external_journal  Set location of the external journal
-l bad_blocks_file   Add to badblocks list
-L bad_blocks_file   Set badblocks list
steven at Studio25:~$

The following was included in a search:

*Important note:* If the output of *badblocks* is going to be fed to the 
*e2fsck* or *mke2fs* programs, it is important that the block size is 
properly specified, since the block numbers which are generated are very 
dependent on the block size in use by the filesystem. For this reason, 
it is strongly recommended that users *not* run *badblocks* directly, 
but rather use the *-c* option of the *e2fsck* and *mke2fs* programs.


Does the size of the blocks show here:

255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3

  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
/dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
/dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap / 
Solaris
/dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux

Partition table entries are not in disk order

Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xffffffff

  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
/dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap / 
Solaris
/dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
/dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
steven at Studio25:~$               
If there are badblocks and they are identified on the HDD, can the HDD 
still be used?  If I format the HDD, will the badblocks be wiped and 
usable after format?  TIA.

Steven



From kassube at gmx.net  Thu Nov 20 16:11:02 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:11:02 +0100
Subject: Setting up WPA
In-Reply-To: <4925758C.9060000@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <4925758C.9060000@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <200811201711.02560.kassube@gmx.net>

Nigel Ridley wrote:
> OK, I have a wireless router that can use WPA. I read some articles
> about setting up WPA but didn't find anything specific to either
> Kubuntu 8.04 or 8.10.
>
> Can someone point me to a [recent] 'howto' or give a simple explanation
> here?

If your wireless hardware is supported, there is nothing special about 
WPA. If the procedure below doesn't work please tell us what wireless 
hardware you have. If you don't know, you can find out with the command

sudo lshw -C network

in a terminal (e.g. konsole).

For both 8.04 and 8.10 the wireless interface is managed by the network 
manager. There should be an icon in your system tray. If it isn't there 
you can get it from K-menu -> Internet -> Network Manager.

For 8.04 right click the network manager icon. There should be an entry 
for your network, click on the network name. It should open a new window 
where you enter the shared key and click "Connect". When the connection 
is established your kwallet will probably ask for your password to save 
the network key.

For 8.10 right click the network manager icon and then select "New 
Connection" -> eth1 (or wlan0 or whatever your wireless interface is 
named). It will open a new window where there should be an entry for your 
network already. Click on the network name and then "Next". On the next 
page enter your shared key and then click "Connect & Save".

> Do I need to install wpasupplicant?

Yes, it is mandatory for WPA/WPA2 but it should be installed already by 
default. You don't need to configure wpasupplicant because it is handled 
by network manager.


Nils



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 16:13:19 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:13:19 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,	trying to learn how to use
	terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811200802p635c6ed0s24dfad2e2c7a11fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
	<8f6eb7340811200802p635c6ed0s24dfad2e2c7a11fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49258C9F.9070509@sbcglobal.net>

Robert Parker wrote:
> OK, going back a while you said you did not have permission to use the 
> partition you want to use for data.
> Please post the output of using the command:
> mount
> just like that, no options. That should get to the bottom of your 
> permissions problem.
> Bob
steven at Studio25:~$ mount
/dev/sdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
/sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)
varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.24-21-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
/dev/sda5 on /media/sda5 type ext3 (rw)
/dev/sda7 on /media/sda7 type ext3 (rw)
securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc 
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
steven at Studio25:~$
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Steven Vollom 
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net <mailto:stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
>     My sdb 5 partition is unusable.  sdb1 is the partition that
>     contains my
>     OS.  sdb5 is empty with an access denied.  Additionally, sda1 is ext3
>     bootable 15gb I would like to put Intrepid in there, but haven't been
>     able.  Below is my current fdisk -l.
>     This stuff is above my head; perhaps not after today.
>
>     Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>     Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3
>
>       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>     /dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
>     /dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd
>     (LBA)
>     /dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
>     /dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap
>     / Solaris
>     /dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux
>
>     Partition table entries are not in disk order
>
>     Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
>     255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
>     Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>     Disk identifier: 0xffffffff
>
>       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>     /dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
>     /dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap
>     / Solaris
>     /dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
>     /dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
>
>     If it helps to know, sda2 and sda5 are storage.  sdb5 is intended
>     storage.  I am sure you can probably see that partitioning and
>     mounting
>     were done by an inexperienced user with little knowledge of how to
>     perform the task.  It was done by experimentation and mostly works.
>     Thanks for any help you may provide that straightens it out and makes
>     sdb5 functional.  Also, I would just love to drop a live Intrepid
>     CD in
>     the ROM and have it request install on sda1.  Thanks in advance
>     for your
>     help and patience with me.
>
>
>     --
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>





From kassube at gmx.net  Thu Nov 20 16:25:11 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:25:11 +0100
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,
	trying to learn how to use terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811201725.11629.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> My sdb 5 partition is unusable.  sdb1 is the partition that contains my
> OS.  sdb5 is empty with an access denied.  

What do you mean with "access denied"? As a normal user you can't write to 
the partition because it is owned by root. I suggest you create a 
directory as root on the partition and change the ownership for your user 
ID. You can do it in a terminal with these commands:

sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER

Maybe you need to modify the commands at the "sdb5" part depending where 
the partition is mounted.

> Additionally, sda1 is ext3 
> bootable 15gb I would like to put Intrepid in there, but haven't been
> able.

Can you explain how you tried to put Intrepid on that partition?


Nils



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Thu Nov 20 16:36:54 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:36:54 +0200
Subject: Setting up WPA
In-Reply-To: <200811201711.02560.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <4925758C.9060000@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811201711.02560.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <49259226.3030106@prayingforisrael.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Nigel Ridley wrote:
>> OK, I have a wireless router that can use WPA. I read some articles
>> about setting up WPA but didn't find anything specific to either
>> Kubuntu 8.04 or 8.10.
>>
>> Can someone point me to a [recent] 'howto' or give a simple explanation
>> here?
> 
> If your wireless hardware is supported, there is nothing special about 
> WPA. If the procedure below doesn't work please tell us what wireless 
> hardware you have. If you don't know, you can find out with the command
> 
> sudo lshw -C network
> 
> in a terminal (e.g. konsole).
> 
> For both 8.04 and 8.10 the wireless interface is managed by the network 
> manager. There should be an icon in your system tray. If it isn't there 
> you can get it from K-menu -> Internet -> Network Manager.
> 
> For 8.04 right click the network manager icon. There should be an entry 
> for your network, click on the network name. It should open a new window 
> where you enter the shared key and click "Connect". When the connection 
> is established your kwallet will probably ask for your password to save 
> the network key.
> 
> For 8.10 right click the network manager icon and then select "New 
> Connection" -> eth1 (or wlan0 or whatever your wireless interface is 
> named). It will open a new window where there should be an entry for your 
> network already. Click on the network name and then "Next". On the next 
> page enter your shared key and then click "Connect & Save".
> 
>> Do I need to install wpasupplicant?
> 
> Yes, it is mandatory for WPA/WPA2 but it should be installed already by 
> default. You don't need to configure wpasupplicant because it is handled 
> by network manager.
> 
> 
> Nils
> 


Thanks Nils,

Just one other thing before I get started: I noticed on the WPA setup screen of the router 
(TP-LINK TL-WR542G) there are several fields for 'Keys'. Why are there more than one and do I 
need to fill them all in and what with?

Nigel

-- 



From kassube at gmx.net  Thu Nov 20 17:20:56 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:20:56 +0100
Subject: Setting up WPA
In-Reply-To: <49259226.3030106@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <4925758C.9060000@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811201711.02560.kassube@gmx.net>
	<49259226.3030106@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <200811201820.56943.kassube@gmx.net>

Nigel Ridley wrote:
> Just one other thing before I get started: I noticed on the WPA setup
> screen of the router (TP-LINK TL-WR542G) there are several fields for
> 'Keys'. Why are there more than one and do I need to fill them all in
> and what with?

According to the manual of that router there should be only one key. 
Select WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK as security type. If you select WPA/WPA2 you 
would need a RADIUS server for authentication but that would be more 
adequate for enterprise use.


Nils



From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 17:43:45 2008
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:43:45 -0500
Subject: New 8.04 install fail on booting
In-Reply-To: <200811201423.33953.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811201423.33953.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0811200943x255a2ce5j572511f8efd1a173@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:23 AM, nepal google <nepal.roade at googlemail.com>wrote:

> Now when I start
> Kubuntu 8.04 I get a fail on file system check and a
> terminal/console? is opened for me to run a manual check. I
> don't as I have no idea what to do.


This is very frustrating.  Unfortunately, it is difficult in practice to
make it clear to people what needs to be done in these cases.

You are supposed to type in:

fsck /dev/sda6

and let that fix the problems.  Running that same command during the boot
process was unable to fix the problems, but at the console you drop to the
same command will almost always work.

You can also run this command after booting if you don't need to be using
/dev/sda6.


In a console, type in:

sudo umount /dev/sda6
sudo fsck /dev/sda6
sudo mount /dev/sda6

Hope this helps.

-- 
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From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 18:08:13 2008
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:08:13 -0500
Subject: What do the [+'s] mean in sda1 & sda7, sdb2 & sdb5 below?
In-Reply-To: <49257EDD.6020401@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49257EDD.6020401@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0811201008s59866d49u90a46da27d914e91@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> If you did not understand the below, what would you Google or what in
> man:locate would direct me to an answer to my question?  Thanks!
>

I Googled "fdisk -l" meaning of blocks

found this site:

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/fdisk-l-output-154413/


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From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 18:09:11 2008
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:09:11 -0500
Subject: Install Cisco VPN client on Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4925881E.10501@invisibleray.com>
References: <mailman.18975.1227196083.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
	<4925881E.10501@invisibleray.com>
Message-ID: <3dde113c0811201009yeb01cf5sb0c6365928e5a81a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Laurent Humblet <
mailinglists at invisibleray.com> wrote:

> I need to install the Cisco VPN client on Kubuntu 8.10.  As I had a
> quick search for howtos, I realised that most of them are for previous
> versions of Ubuntu.
>

Any reason to believe it will be different on 8.10?

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From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 18:10:21 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:10:21 -0700
Subject: Keyboard problem in 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811201010m5bc4f39ahd71b29619d5c2ad6@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com> wrote:
> I first put 8.10 on a lab computer to see what it was like.  I noticed that
> the "left arrow" key did not work when in KDE4 although it did work when I
> was in a true console session (out of X altogether)
>
> I thought it might have something to do with KDE4 but yesterday I put KDE3
> onto 8.10 and the problem still exists...  so it must lie in the X server.
>
> But yes, I also thought there might be something quirky with the keybd itself.
>
> Today I put 8.10 on my main computer and the problem is still there.  Totally
> different computer.
>
> I am very surprised no one else has experienced this problem.
>
> I would download the 8.10 iso again but it's a moot point now...  I won't be
> using Intrepid anyway, with or without KDE3.  I saw too many other problems
> to make me want to use it.     Sad.

I had some similar problems, but they were partly self inflicted.
Somehow the keycodes have changed on my keyboard.  I use xmodmap to
remap the windows keys to function keys and then bind the funtion keys
to useful things like "maximize vertically".  The change in keycodes
meant that I ended up mapping some of my arrow keys to these
functions.  I used xev to see what was going on, then redid my
.xmodmap file.

If you haven't done any remapping, I wouldn't think this would affect
you, but you can still use xev to see what's going on.  Run xev from a
terminal window, click the resulting window with your mouse, then try
hitting an arrow key.  See what X thinks is happening.

It sounds to me like your keyboard isn't quite getting recognized
properly.  You could  try another model of keyboard, too.

Michael



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 20 18:12:15 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:12:15 +0000
Subject: New 8.04 install fail on booting
In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0811200943x255a2ce5j572511f8efd1a173@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811201423.33953.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<3dde113c0811200943x255a2ce5j572511f8efd1a173@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811201812.15872.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Thu 20 November 2008, John DeCarlo wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:23 AM, nepal google 
<nepal.roade at googlemail.com>wrote:
> > Now when I start
> > Kubuntu 8.04 I get a fail on file system check and a
> > terminal/console? is opened for me to run a manual
> > check. I don't as I have no idea what to do.
>
> This is very frustrating.  Unfortunately, it is difficult
> in practice to make it clear to people what needs to be
> done in these cases.
>
> You are supposed to type in:
>
> fsck /dev/sda6
>
> and let that fix the problems.  Running that same command
> during the boot process was unable to fix the problems,
> but at the console you drop to the same command will
> almost always work.

Is it because fsck gets run without the parameters used 
during the boot process? IIRC there was a message saying 
something to the effect not to use -p -a.

> You can also run this command after booting if you don't
> need to be using /dev/sda6.
>
>
> In a console, type in:
>
> sudo umount /dev/sda6
> sudo fsck /dev/sda6
> sudo mount /dev/sda6
>
> Hope this helps.

Thanks John,

that partition is my home partition, so I'll wait until I 
next reboot and do as you suggest. I've had this happen 
before with other distros too and never knew what to do, 
now I do I will remember this. Thanks.

nepal.



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Thu Nov 20 18:24:46 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:24:46 +0200
Subject: Setting up WPA - Done!
In-Reply-To: <200811201820.56943.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <4925758C.9060000@prayingforisrael.net>	<200811201711.02560.kassube@gmx.net>	<49259226.3030106@prayingforisrael.net>
	<200811201820.56943.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4925AB6E.7040908@prayingforisrael.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Nigel Ridley wrote:
>> Just one other thing before I get started: I noticed on the WPA setup
>> screen of the router (TP-LINK TL-WR542G) there are several fields for
>> 'Keys'. Why are there more than one and do I need to fill them all in
>> and what with?
> 
> According to the manual of that router there should be only one key. 
> Select WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK as security type. If you select WPA/WPA2 you 
> would need a RADIUS server for authentication but that would be more 
> adequate for enterprise use.
> 
> 
> Nils
> 

It was actually painless. I chose the WPA/WPA2-PSK and TKIP. Then filled in the passphrase (there 
was only one - I was getting confused with the WEP settings) and saved the configuration.
I then right-clicked on the KNetworkManager icon and then clicked on the new entry for the 
TP-LINK. It started to connect and then KWallet wanted me to give it some password (I don't like 
KWallet for some unknown reason) but I canceled it's request and KNetworkManager continued with 
the connecting process - successfully :-)
I'm sure that after a reboot I will have to enter the passphrase in again but that's no hassle.

Thanks for your encouraging help.

Nigel


-- 



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 18:28:00 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:28:00 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <49258B15.906@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49258B15.906@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811201328.00379.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 20 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>I did the following in the Shell:
>steven at Studio25:~$ e2fsck -c
>Usage: e2fsck [-panyrcdfvstDFSV] [-b superblock] [-B blocksize]
>               [-I inode_buffer_blocks] [-P process_inode_size]
>               [-l|-L bad_blocks_file] [-C fd] [-j external_journal]
>               [-E extended-options] device
>
>Emergency help:
>-p                   Automatic repair (no questions)
>-n                   Make no changes to the filesystem
>-y                   Assume "yes" to all questions
>-c                   Check for bad blocks and add them to the badblock list
>-f                   Force checking even if filesystem is marked clean
>-v                   Be verbose
>-b superblock        Use alternative superblock
>-B blocksize         Force blocksize when looking for superblock
>-j external_journal  Set location of the external journal
>-l bad_blocks_file   Add to badblocks list
>-L bad_blocks_file   Set badblocks list
>steven at Studio25:~$
>
>The following was included in a search:
>
>*Important note:* If the output of *badblocks* is going to be fed to the
>*e2fsck* or *mke2fs* programs, it is important that the block size is
>properly specified, since the block numbers which are generated are very
>dependent on the block size in use by the filesystem. For this reason,
>it is strongly recommended that users *not* run *badblocks* directly,
>but rather use the *-c* option of the *e2fsck* and *mke2fs* programs.
>
>
>Does the size of the blocks show here:
>
>255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
>Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3
>
>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>/dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
>/dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
>/dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
>/dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap /
>Solaris
>/dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux
>
>Partition table entries are not in disk order
>
>Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
>255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
>Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>Disk identifier: 0xffffffff
>
>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>/dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
>/dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap /
>Solaris
>/dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
>/dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
>steven at Studio25:~$
>If there are badblocks and they are identified on the HDD, can the HDD
>still be used?  If I format the HDD, will the badblocks be wiped and
>usable after format?  TIA.
>
>Steven

You cannot format a recent hard drive, with recent being defined as nearly 20 
years now.  The drives are factory formatted, and require instrumentation we 
don't have, so they just spin for a bit and return with no error. All we do 
is write the filesystems logical structure when we mke2fs a partition.

I believe badblocks can work in that asked about mode, if e2fsck tells it 
where to start and stop the scan at the partition boundaries.  That would 
tend to automate the process for a beginner, at the expense of having to run 
it on all the individual partitions in order to cover the whole disk.

From the badblocks manpage, it can generate a file in the correct format to 
send back to mke2fs or e2fsck and do it automatically from what I read.

So I would run it to generate the file, (on a usb key or someplace not on that 
drive) and then feed that file to e2fsck as a separate operation, which would 
check (and repair if it can) the whole drive in only 2 operations.  The first 
run is a lengthy procedure timewise, so expect an hour or more dependent on 
the hardware.  The 500Gb Maxtor that just failed for me was about 11 hours to 
check it all.

I have now zeroed the bootable flag on it using fdisk, so I can re-install the 
card and drive, and will see if its salvageable in the next day or so.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
FORCE YOURSELF TO RELAX!



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 18:29:54 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:29:54 -0700
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,
	can anyone see why one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811201029y17890684t57b08ddb4393e695@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> For over a year, the HDD that my current OS is on, has had its larger
> partition unusable.  My system is Hardy KDE3.5.10.
> The HDD is an 80gb Maxtor.  20gb was partitioned with ext3 and made
> primary.  My current version of Hardy in on that partition.  The balance
> is 58gb according to Dolphin, and is unusable and empty.  When I click
> on the vacant HDD, it says 'Permissin Denied'.  I would like to use the
> empty space.

Are you doing this as root, or as a regular user?  It sounds to me
like you don't have the proper permissions, not that the disk is
corrupted.

What are you trying to do with this partition?  Is it already mounted?
 I gather it already has data and you are trying to access that data?

Useful commands to run and post the output are (I'm assuming here that
your hard drive is /dev/sda--change as appropriate):
cat /etc/fstab
mount
sudo parted /dev/sda print

These will tell us what partitions your system is trying to make
avaliable, what partitions it did make available, and what partitions
are available.  It's difficult to figure out what is happening without
a lot more information.

Michael



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 19:15:45 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:15:45 -0500
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,	can anyone see why
	one HDD is partially crippled?
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Michael Hirsch wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> For over a year, the HDD that my current OS is on, has had its larger
>> partition unusable.  My system is Hardy KDE3.5.10.
>> The HDD is an 80gb Maxtor.  20gb was partitioned with ext3 and made
>> primary.  My current version of Hardy in on that partition.  The balance
>> is 58gb according to Dolphin, and is unusable and empty.  When I click
>> on the vacant HDD, it says 'Permissin Denied'.  I would like to use the
>> empty space.
>>     
>
> Are you doing this as root, or as a regular user? 
To make the changes you have to be in Administrator Mode, so I suppose 
the answer is Root.
>  It sounds to me like you don't have the proper permissions, not that the disk is
> corrupted.
>   
I just checked and I don't.  It is Root Root.  I can't remember how to 
get to properties in Root to make the change.  Is there a way to get to 
that window in a gui and in root?  Or what would I type into the Shell 
to change permissions.  I live alone; there is never anyone else using 
my computer.  So I prefer having everything controlled by user. Is there 
a way to open Dolphin in Root?  The only way I know to open the 
permissions box is to right-click on the item and choose properties.  
But then I am not in Root to be able to make the changes.

> What are you trying to do with this partition?
I just want it for storage.
>   Is it already mounted?
>   
Yes
>  I gather it already has data and you are trying to access that data?
>   
It shouldn't, however, it says there is a little in there.
> Useful commands to run and post the output are (I'm assuming here that
> your hard drive is /dev/sda--change as appropriate):
> cat /etc/fstab
> mount
> sudo parted /dev/sda print
>
> These will tell us what partitions your system is trying to make
> avaliable, what partitions it did make available, and what partitions
> are available.  It's difficult to figure out what is happening without
> a lot more information.
>   
steven at Studio25:~$ cat /etc/fstab
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
# /dev/sdb1
UUID=2795cc01-0df3-4b4d-b46c-0adf8156e4aa / ext3 
nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1
# /dev/sda1
# /dev/sda5
UUID=bddaaee3-408a-4f69-a9bf-b9c47af61b7e /media/sda5 ext3 
nouser,defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 2
# /dev/sda7
UUID=e8dac51b-91a9-43ab-9d75-cb4d6af8efa3 /media/sda7 ext3 
nouser,defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 2
# /dev/sda8
UUID=70E9613423CDFF51 /media/sda8 ntfs 
defaults,umask=007,uid=0,gid=46,auto,rw,nouser 0 1
# /dev/sda6
UUID=8bb9d04a-5d6e-45bf-9753-cfb6f585b2f3 none swap sw 0 0
# /dev/sdb2
UUID=09850bc0-ac07-4f45-bb39-1eba22243e4d none swap sw 0 0
/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
/dev/scd1 /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
/dev/sdb5 /media/sdb5 ext3 owner,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
/dev/sda1 /media ext3 owner,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
steven at Studio25:~$
steven at Studio25:~$                                                 

/dev/sdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
/sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)
varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.24-21-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
/dev/sda5 on /media/sda5 type ext3 (rw)
/dev/sda7 on /media/sda7 type ext3 (rw)
securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc 
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev           )
/dev/sdb5 on /media/sdb5 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
steven at Studio25:~$ sudo parted /dev/sdb5 print
[sudo] password for steven:
Sorry, try again.
[sudo] password for steven:

Disk /dev/sdb5: 58.5GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: loop

Number  Start   End     Size    File system  Flags
 1      0.00kB  58.5GB  58.5GB  ext3

Information: Don't forget to update /etc/fstab, if necessary.


> Michael
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 19:46:03 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:46:03 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <200811201328.00379.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <49258B15.906@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201328.00379.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
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Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 20 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I did the following in the Shell:
>> steven at Studio25:~$ e2fsck -c
>> Usage: e2fsck [-panyrcdfvstDFSV] [-b superblock] [-B blocksize]
>>               [-I inode_buffer_blocks] [-P process_inode_size]
>>               [-l|-L bad_blocks_file] [-C fd] [-j external_journal]
>>               [-E extended-options] device
>>
>> Emergency help:
>> -p                   Automatic repair (no questions)
>> -n                   Make no changes to the filesystem
>> -y                   Assume "yes" to all questions
>> -c                   Check for bad blocks and add them to the badblock list
>> -f                   Force checking even if filesystem is marked clean
>> -v                   Be verbose
>> -b superblock        Use alternative superblock
>> -B blocksize         Force blocksize when looking for superblock
>> -j external_journal  Set location of the external journal
>> -l bad_blocks_file   Add to badblocks list
>> -L bad_blocks_file   Set badblocks list
>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>
>> The following was included in a search:
>>
>> *Important note:* If the output of *badblocks* is going to be fed to the
>> *e2fsck* or *mke2fs* programs, it is important that the block size is
>> properly specified, since the block numbers which are generated are very
>> dependent on the block size in use by the filesystem. For this reason,
>> it is strongly recommended that users *not* run *badblocks* directly,
>> but rather use the *-c* option of the *e2fsck* and *mke2fs* programs.
>>
>>
>> Does the size of the blocks show here:
>>
>> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
>> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>> Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3
>>
>>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>> /dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
>> /dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
>> /dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
>> /dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap /
>> Solaris
>> /dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux
>>
>> Partition table entries are not in disk order
>>
>> Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
>> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
>> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>> Disk identifier: 0xffffffff
>>
>>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>> /dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
>> /dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap /
>> Solaris
>> /dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
>> /dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
>> steven at Studio25:~$
>> If there are badblocks and they are identified on the HDD, can the HDD
>> still be used?  If I format the HDD, will the badblocks be wiped and
>> usable after format?  TIA.
>>
>> Steven
>>     
>
> You cannot format a recent hard drive, with recent being defined as nearly 20 
> years now.  The drives are factory formatted, and require instrumentation we 
> don't have, so they just spin for a bit and return with no error. All we do 
> is write the filesystems logical structure when we mke2fs a partition.
>   
I am confused, what if you were trying to get rid of a virus or 
something like that, how would you clean the drive of infections?  And 
if you want to change the OS, do you just install it over existing 
data.  When I use Gparted, it says that it formats a drive or partition 
when instructed.  Isn't it doing that when I click on format?
> I believe badblocks can work in that asked about mode, if e2fsck tells it 
> where to start and stop the scan at the partition boundaries.  That would 
> tend to automate the process for a beginner, at the expense of having to run 
> it on all the individual partitions in order to cover the whole disk.
>   
I don't understand what this does, or how to understand and then utilize 
the resultant information.
> >From the badblocks manpage, it can generate a file in the correct format to 
> send back to mke2fs or e2fsck and do it automatically from what I read.
>   
Would I be able to understand what happened and the information that was 
'send back to mke2fs'.  What is the result of the task?  Does it update 
something?  Does it fix something?  If it fixes something, what is 
damaged?  Is it physical damage or digital? 
> So I would run it to generate the file, (on a usb key
is this the same as a thumb drive or USB memory chip?
>  or someplace not on that 
> drive) and then feed that file to e2fsck
Is this like cutting and pasting the file to e2fsck?  How do I find 
e2fsck to open and paste the file?
>  as a separate operation, which would 
> check (and repair if it can) the whole drive in only 2 operations.  The first 
> run is a lengthy procedure timewise, so expect an hour or more dependent on 
> the hardware.
This partition is on an 80gb HDD.
>   The 500Gb Maxtor that just failed for me was about 11 hours to 
> check it all.
>
> I have now zeroed the bootable flag on it using fdisk,
What does zeroing the bootable flag do, and is using fdisk just typing 
fdisk into a shell?  If so, then what happens after you click enter, and 
how do you use the information?
>  so I can re-install the 
> card
What is 'the card'
>  and drive,
by drive, do you mean the partition sdb5 or the 80 gb drive?
>  and will see if its salvageable in the next day or so.
>   
I found out  something important yesterday.  Because I am an artist, I 
have been using only the right side of my brain for over 60 years.  I am 
not easily capable of understand a logical thing, unless it is visual or 
explained in those terms.  I talked with someone who had to learn to use 
the other side of his brain.  Another artist.  We just don't see thing 
in a Logical way like a computer guru.  It isn't that we won't be able, 
I am doing what I need to do now to exercise my left brain by learning 
from people like you.  It is why it is so difficult for you to help me, 
I think.  But I can absorb enormous amounts of visual information that 
you could not see unless taught, unless you teach your right-brain 
activity to become more important to you.  Do you notice how I have to 
break down the pieces of what you say?  Logic to Logic can communicate 
in a few words.  Visual to logic takes a lot of additional information.  
Logic to Visual also takes more information than a logical person thinks 
necessary.  If you don't lose patience with me, I am having 
breakthroughs.  I am getting able to understand how to ask questions in 
a way that you can understand me.  I am starting to learn how to process 
what is said.  It is glorious.  I didn't think I was stupid, but for me 
the way a computer specialist talks is about the same as trying to 
understand Chinese.  Until I learn the language it is babble to me.  
Every answer given to me creates new questions, and I have to take that 
information and figure out what you mean.  Please don't give up on me.  
Things are changing.  It is like coming from a dark room into the light.




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Thu Nov 20 19:48:34 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:48:34 -0500
Subject: Keyboard problem in 8.10
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811201010m5bc4f39ahd71b29619d5c2ad6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<9c2aabaf0811201010m5bc4f39ahd71b29619d5c2ad6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811201448.34405.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Thursday 20 November 2008, Michael Hirsch wrote:
> > I would download the 8.10 iso again but it's a moot point now...  I won't
> > be using Intrepid anyway, with or without KDE3.  I saw too many other
> > problems to make me want to use it.     Sad.
>
> I had some similar problems, but they were partly self inflicted.
> Somehow the keycodes have changed on my keyboard.  I use xmodmap to
> remap the windows keys to function keys and then bind the funtion keys
> to useful things like "maximize vertically".  The change in keycodes
> meant that I ended up mapping some of my arrow keys to these
> functions.  I used xev to see what was going on, then redid my
> .xmodmap file.
>
> If you haven't done any remapping, I wouldn't think this would affect
> you, but you can still use xev to see what's going on.  Run xev from a
> terminal window, click the resulting window with your mouse, then try
> hitting an arrow key.  See what X thinks is happening.
>
> It sounds to me like your keyboard isn't quite getting recognized
> properly.  You could  try another model of keyboard, too.

Lots of very good advice here....   thanks.

I ran xev in 8.04 to see what comes across.  Everything seemed fine.

When I ran it in 8.10, the up/down/right cursor buttons were the same but when 
I do a left cursor, it appears that xev sees nothing.  Nothing happens in the 
xev screen.

However, something is happening because if I start xev, press right cursor, 
and then ctl-c,  xev quits like it should.   But if I start xev and press 
left cursor and then ctl-c, it takes three  ctl-c's to get it to quit, and 
after the 2nd press, a small c with an accent ( č ) appears.   So there are 
some characters being transferred but xev isn't telling.

As I said before, the left cursor worked at the "test your keyboard" point of 
the install....  

I just fired up the 8.10 live cd, and the left cursor works there too so it is 
only the installed system that seems to have a problem.



From d.mcglone at att.net  Thu Nov 20 20:25:38 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:25:38 -0500
Subject: Kde 4.1.3 beside kde 3 on 8.04
Message-ID: <200811201525.38647.d.mcglone@att.net>

I want to install kde 4.1.3 alongside kde 3 on 8.04. Kubuntu's website said to 
check the unsupported updates in adept then click the upgrade button. Does 
this mean the "full upgrade" button or the "version upgrade" button.

either button sounds like it will overwrite my kde3 and I don't want that, All 
I want is the latest release of kde 4. Looking at adept with unsupported 
updates enabled, kdebase-kde4 is still at 4.0.5. I want 4.1.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

TIA
-- 
David M.	



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 20:42:32 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:42:32 -0700
Subject: Keyboard problem in 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811201448.34405.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
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On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 20 November 2008, Michael Hirsch wrote:
>> > I would download the 8.10 iso again but it's a moot point now...  I won't
>> > be using Intrepid anyway, with or without KDE3.  I saw too many other
>> > problems to make me want to use it.     Sad.
>>
>> I had some similar problems, but they were partly self inflicted.
>> Somehow the keycodes have changed on my keyboard.  I use xmodmap to
>> remap the windows keys to function keys and then bind the funtion keys
>> to useful things like "maximize vertically".  The change in keycodes
>> meant that I ended up mapping some of my arrow keys to these
>> functions.  I used xev to see what was going on, then redid my
>> .xmodmap file.
>>
>> If you haven't done any remapping, I wouldn't think this would affect
>> you, but you can still use xev to see what's going on.  Run xev from a
>> terminal window, click the resulting window with your mouse, then try
>> hitting an arrow key.  See what X thinks is happening.
>>
>> It sounds to me like your keyboard isn't quite getting recognized
>> properly.  You could  try another model of keyboard, too.

> I ran xev in 8.04 to see what comes across.  Everything seemed fine.
>
> When I ran it in 8.10, the up/down/right cursor buttons were the same but when
> I do a left cursor, it appears that xev sees nothing.  Nothing happens in the
> xev screen.
>
> However, something is happening because if I start xev, press right cursor,
> and then ctl-c,  xev quits like it should.   But if I start xev and press
> left cursor and then ctl-c, it takes three  ctl-c's to get it to quit, and
> after the 2nd press, a small c with an accent ( č ) appears.   So there are
> some characters being transferred but xev isn't telling.
>
> As I said before, the left cursor worked at the "test your keyboard" point of
> the install....
>
> I just fired up the 8.10 live cd, and the left cursor works there too so it is
> only the installed system that seems to have a problem.

Getting an accented 'c' sure makes it sound like you've got some
special keyboard or character handling going on.  I know almost
nothing about that, but I'm sure someone here does.  You should double
check your Keyboard settings and country/region settings.  I don't
know about KDE 4 in Intrepid so I can't say exactly where, but in KDE
3.5 it's in the "Regional & Accessibility" menu in kcontrol.

Michael

From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 20 20:35:04 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:35:04 -0400
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
References: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1590602.XH8meKTQOz@cedar.serverforest.com>

btw, back "in the day", the bad block list used to be written in pen on 
the disk cover...
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Thu Nov 20 20:33:34 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:33:34 -0400
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
References: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4594384.PmoyBxB3Gi@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> I did the following in the Shell:
> 
> steven at Studio25:~$ e2fsck -c
> Usage: e2fsck [-panyrcdfvstDFSV] [-b superblock] [-B blocksize]
>                 [-I inode_buffer_blocks] [-P process_inode_size]
>                 [-l|-L bad_blocks_file] [-C fd] [-j external_journal]
>                 [-E extended-options] device

In my experience it's been practically impossible to tell if you have 
bad blocks on the drive until it's at imminent risk of failure for 
_many_ years now.

This is because drives themselves remap bad blocks, and the OS - be it 
Linux, Windows or OSX never gets to see them.  It's only when the 
drive's internal badblock list is full that the OS will start to see and 
map bad blocks.  By this time, the drive is pretty near to toast.

> If there are badblocks and they are identified on the HDD, can the HDD
> still be used?  If I format the HDD, will the badblocks be wiped and
> usable after format?  TIA.

NO!  Bad blocks are BAD.  You map them out because they can NEVER be trusted.
-- 
derek




From gloonie at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 20:52:44 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:52:44 -0500
Subject: Keyboard problem in 8.10
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811201242l483e23b2n2ba319eea2ca3b69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811201448.34405.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<9c2aabaf0811201242l483e23b2n2ba319eea2ca3b69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811201552.44233.gloonie@earthlink.net>

On Thursday 20 November 2008 15:42:32 Michael Hirsch wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 November 2008, Michael Hirsch wrote:
> >> > I would download the 8.10 iso again but it's a moot point now...  I
> >> > won't be using Intrepid anyway, with or without KDE3.  I saw too many
> >> > other problems to make me want to use it.     Sad.
> >>
> >> I had some similar problems, but they were partly self inflicted.
> >> Somehow the keycodes have changed on my keyboard.  I use xmodmap to
> >> remap the windows keys to function keys and then bind the funtion keys
> >> to useful things like "maximize vertically".  The change in keycodes
> >> meant that I ended up mapping some of my arrow keys to these
> >> functions.  I used xev to see what was going on, then redid my
> >> .xmodmap file.
> >>
> >> If you haven't done any remapping, I wouldn't think this would affect
> >> you, but you can still use xev to see what's going on.  Run xev from a
> >> terminal window, click the resulting window with your mouse, then try
> >> hitting an arrow key.  See what X thinks is happening.
> >>
> >> It sounds to me like your keyboard isn't quite getting recognized
> >> properly.  You could  try another model of keyboard, too.
> >
> > I ran xev in 8.04 to see what comes across.  Everything seemed fine.
> >
> > When I ran it in 8.10, the up/down/right cursor buttons were the same but
> > when I do a left cursor, it appears that xev sees nothing.  Nothing
> > happens in the xev screen.
> >
> > However, something is happening because if I start xev, press right
> > cursor, and then ctl-c,  xev quits like it should.   But if I start xev
> > and press left cursor and then ctl-c, it takes three  ctl-c's to get it
> > to quit, and after the 2nd press, a small c with an accent ( č ) appears.
> >   So there are some characters being transferred but xev isn't telling.
> >
> > As I said before, the left cursor worked at the "test your keyboard"
> > point of the install....
> >
> > I just fired up the 8.10 live cd, and the left cursor works there too so
> > it is only the installed system that seems to have a problem.
>
> Getting an accented 'c' sure makes it sound like you've got some
> special keyboard or character handling going on.  I know almost
> nothing about that, but I'm sure someone here does.  You should double
> check your Keyboard settings and country/region settings.  I don't
> know about KDE 4 in Intrepid so I can't say exactly where, but in KDE
> 3.5 it's in the "Regional & Accessibility" menu in kcontrol.
>
> Michael

Go into system-settings --> regional & language -> keyboard layout.

Do you have "Enable keyboard layouts: selected? If so, which ones? If not, 
check in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and let us know what it thinks you have under

Section "InputDevice"

HTH,

Glenn
-- 
Glenn R Williams



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 20:56:13 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:56:13 -0700
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html
In-Reply-To: <4919B1C6.3010708@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>
	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.
>>>>> I
>>>>> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
>>>>> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program
>>>>> that
>>>>> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> How about ps2pdf?  You should have it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it.
>>> When
>>> I attempt to save, it is not an option.
>>>
>>
>> An option to what?  As I said, it should already be on your system (the
>> package is ghostscript).
>>
>>
>>> But thanks anyway!
>>>
>>
>>
> Please don't get too frustrated with me.  It is not easy being as stupid
> as I am.  I am pretty sure I have ghostscript because I remember seeing
> that at the top of a window I had opened recently.  When I was using
> windows and wanted to save something to a different file extension, I
> would click on a dropdown and several choices would appear.  That is
> what I expected when I clicked 'save as' on the mozilla.ps file.  I
> expected to see perhaps .html or pdf or some other recognizable file
> extension that I could save to.  Is a .ps file considered the same as a
> .pdf?  I am so frustrated.

Steve,

As you've possibly figured out by now, people have been giving you
commandline suggestions and you've been looking for GUIs.  In general,
when what we are saying doesn't make sense, trying running the command
in a shell window.  I bet that you have ps2pdf installed already.
Just open a shell and try running it.

That said, here's how to create a pdf from pretty much anything you
can print.  I believe that by default you have a "Print to PDF"
printer installed.  So browse your file system with konqueror or
dolphin to where your .ps file is and doubleclick it (sigle click may
work, depending on configuration).  You should see the ps file either
in your pbrowser or in another window.  Now print the file (The first
menu should have a "Print..." option, or type <CTRL>-p (That's holding
the crtl or control key and then pressing p).

You should get the print dialog.  The first item in the drop down is
the name of the printer.  click it and select "Print to File(PDF)".  A
few lines below this is "Output file:", a text entry field, and a
folder icon.  Click the folder icon and browse to the desired
directory.  Enter the desired filename in the "Location" field.  Click
the save button to set the file location, Then click print to create
the PDF.

Hope that helps,

Michael



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 21:12:28 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:12:28 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,	trying to learn how to use
	terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811201725.11629.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201725.11629.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4925D2BC.8030805@sbcglobal.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> My sdb 5 partition is unusable.  sdb1 is the partition that contains my
>> OS.  sdb5 is empty with an access denied.  
>>     
>
> What do you mean with "access denied"? As a normal user you can't write to 
> the partition because it is owned by root. I suggest you create a 
> directory as root on the partition and change the ownership for your user 
> ID. You can do it in a terminal with these commands:
>   
Nils, I don't have experience, however, in the past, after I have 
created a partition, I go to System Settings on the menu then Advanced, 
then Disk&Filesystems, get Administrative privileges then Highlight the 
partition that I want to mount and click on Enable.  Then I am usually 
able to put data in that partition.  When I followed that process and 
attempted to put data in that partition, I was denied.  It said Access 
Denied.  I am pretty sure that is what I did with the other partitions 
that I use for storage.
> sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
> sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
>   
Where it says USER, do I type in steven
> Maybe you need to modify the commands at the "sdb5" part depending where 
> the partition is mounted.
>   
It is mounted at /media/sdb5.
>   
>> Additionally, sda1 is ext3 
>> bootable 15gb I would like to put Intrepid in there, but haven't been
>> able.
>>     
>
> Can you explain how you tried to put Intrepid on that partition?
>   
That wasn't the purpose of this post.  As I recall, I put a live CD in 
the ROM and was unable to install when clicking on install.  It was 
normal procedure.  I just wasn't successful, and let it go, until I 
fixed the bootable partition problem.  I don't even have the CD right 
now; I gave it to someone else.  So, I couldn't duplicate the problem at 
the moment.  My Hardy OS is working fine, I was just unable to dual-boot 
with Intrepid.
>
> Nils
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 21:23:48 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:23:48 -0500
Subject: What do the [+'s] mean in sda1 & sda7, sdb2 & sdb5 below?
In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0811201008s59866d49u90a46da27d914e91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49257EDD.6020401@sbcglobal.net>
	<3dde113c0811201008s59866d49u90a46da27d914e91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4925D564.7070702@sbcglobal.net>

John DeCarlo wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Steven Vollom 
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net <mailto:stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
>     If you did not understand the below, what would you Google or what in
>     man:locate would direct me to an answer to my question?  Thanks!
>
>
> I Googled "fdisk -l" meaning of blocks
>
> found this site:
>
> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/fdisk-l-output-154413/
They must have a page redirect, because I copied the address and pasted 
it on the list.
>
>
> -- 
> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf 
> <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf>
I was working from a reply, as I recall.  I used the code they provided 
in a Shell, then I pasted the data to my reply.  I don't have a memory 
that can remember that info without seeing it.  My vague memory showed 
information on both my hard drives.  The second column from the right 
had a plus on certain entries, but not all of them.  The entry for my 
blocked partition sdb5 did not have the plus sign in that column.  As I 
recall a primary drive and 3 storage partitions each had a + after the 
numbers in that column.  I wanted to know what the + meant to see if it 
was relevant to the problem with sdb5.  That is the best I can do 
without seeing all of the previous post.  I can't believe I remembered 
that much.

Steven



From jonorland at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 21:25:54 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:25:54 +0100
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <200811201328.00379.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <49258B15.906@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201328.00379.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811201325l77a0a8aatb319c14e2fc1a6bc@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/20 Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>:
> You cannot format a recent hard drive, with recent being defined as nearly 20
> years now.  The drives are factory formatted, and require instrumentation we
> don't have, so they just spin for a bit and return with no error. All we do
> is write the filesystems logical structure when we mke2fs a partition.
>

For most of the time called low-level formatting.

> I believe badblocks can work in that asked about mode, if e2fsck tells it
> where to start and stop the scan at the partition boundaries.  That would
> tend to automate the process for a beginner, at the expense of having to run
> it on all the individual partitions in order to cover the whole disk.
>
> From the badblocks manpage, it can generate a file in the correct format to
> send back to mke2fs or e2fsck and do it automatically from what I read.
>
> So I would run it to generate the file, (on a usb key or someplace not on that
> drive) and then feed that file to e2fsck as a separate operation, which would
> check (and repair if it can) the whole drive in only 2 operations.  The first
> run is a lengthy procedure timewise, so expect an hour or more dependent on
> the hardware.  The 500Gb Maxtor that just failed for me was about 11 hours to
> check it all.

That is to complicate things. Just let the fsck do the badblock test
and mark the bad one. Use the -c parameter for a read test and -cc for
a non-destructive read-write test and add -k to keep the blocks
already marked bad.

> I have now zeroed the bootable flag on it using fdisk, so I can re-install the
> card and drive, and will see if its salvageable in the next day or so.
>

What do the boot flag got to do with installing anything? If i
remember right the boot flag is used by DOS/windows to mark with
partition to boot from and i don't think any new OS today care about
it.

/ Jonas



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 21:28:06 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:28:06 -0500
Subject: convert mozilla.ps to html  ** SOLVED **
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811201256y5a4f7959p3b603d1ec8ac880@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4918F6D2.9050803@sbcglobal.net>	<4949513.tEWSqVlD8L@cedar.serverforest.com>	<4919A392.4000500@sbcglobal.net>	<1582474.W99ApL1zmB@cedar.serverforest.com>	<4919B1C6.3010708@sbcglobal.net>
	<9c2aabaf0811201256y5a4f7959p3b603d1ec8ac880@mail.gmail.com>
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Michael Hirsch wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Derek Broughton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> My printer is not working and I have to print a rebate and receipt.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> went to a friend's after copying the doc's. to a thumb drive.  Their
>>>>>> computer could not read and print a mozilla.ps.  Is there a program
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> converts mozilla.ps to html; and will that print in a Microsoft PC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> How about ps2pdf?  You should have it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> I looked in Adept Package Manager for ps2pdf and couldn't find it.
>>>> When
>>>> I attempt to save, it is not an option.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> An option to what?  As I said, it should already be on your system (the
>>> package is ghostscript).
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> But thanks anyway!
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>       
>> Please don't get too frustrated with me.  It is not easy being as stupid
>> as I am.  I am pretty sure I have ghostscript because I remember seeing
>> that at the top of a window I had opened recently.  When I was using
>> windows and wanted to save something to a different file extension, I
>> would click on a dropdown and several choices would appear.  That is
>> what I expected when I clicked 'save as' on the mozilla.ps file.  I
>> expected to see perhaps .html or pdf or some other recognizable file
>> extension that I could save to.  Is a .ps file considered the same as a
>> .pdf?  I am so frustrated.
>>     
>
> Steve,
>
> As you've possibly figured out by now, people have been giving you
> commandline suggestions and you've been looking for GUIs.  In general,
> when what we are saying doesn't make sense, trying running the command
> in a shell window.  I bet that you have ps2pdf installed already.
> Just open a shell and try running it.
>
> That said, here's how to create a pdf from pretty much anything you
> can print.  I believe that by default you have a "Print to PDF"
> printer installed.  So browse your file system with konqueror or
> dolphin to where your .ps file is and doubleclick it (sigle click may
> work, depending on configuration).  You should see the ps file either
> in your pbrowser or in another window.  Now print the file (The first
> menu should have a "Print..." option, or type <CTRL>-p (That's holding
> the crtl or control key and then pressing p).
>
> You should get the print dialog.  The first item in the drop down is
> the name of the printer.  click it and select "Print to File(PDF)".  A
> few lines below this is "Output file:", a text entry field, and a
> folder icon.  Click the folder icon and browse to the desired
> directory.  Enter the desired filename in the "Location" field.  Click
> the save button to set the file location, Then click print to create
> the PDF.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Michael
>
>   
I thought I had posted solved to that inquiry.  But thanks.  I am using 
that method now.  The other was a .ps which I am told should have been 
convertable to pdf or read by an adobe reader, but it was associated to 
Mozilla and would not work.  I can do it now.  Thanks again friend.



From claydoh at midmaine.com  Thu Nov 20 21:32:17 2008
From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh at midmaine.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:32:17 -0500
Subject: Kde 4.1.3 beside kde 3 on 8.04
Message-ID: <380-2200811420213217207@M2W017.mail2web.com>


>I want to install kde 4.1.3 alongside kde 3 on 8.04. Kubuntu's website
said to 
>check the unsupported updates in adept then click the upgrade button. Does 
>this mean the "full upgrade" button or the "version upgrade" button.
>

As noted from http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.3:
"The latest KDE 4 update 4.1.3 has moved to the backports section of
Kubuntu 8.10"

4.1.3 as far as I can tell, only available for 8.10. At this point I am
unaware if there are any plans for packages for Hardy, but I will ask.


clay


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From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Thu Nov 20 21:34:08 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:34:08 -0500
Subject: Keyboard problem in 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811201552.44233.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<9c2aabaf0811201242l483e23b2n2ba319eea2ca3b69@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811201552.44233.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200811201634.09031.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Thursday 20 November 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote:
> Go into system-settings --> regional & language -> keyboard layout.
>
> Do you have "Enable keyboard layouts: selected? If so, which ones? If not,
> check in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and let us know what it thinks you have under
>
> Section "InputDevice"

Did that...  no change.  Layouts weren't on but in that case I think it takes 
a generic US layout.  The selected layout was US  and a 104 keybd.  Just what 
I would expect.

The xorg.conf says its a 105 kybd which is the same as my Hardy xorg.  In fact 
I copied over the Hardy xorg file and that didn't change anything either.

The left cursor key works everywhere but within X-server.   Both KDE3 and KDE4 
fail...  which makes me think its a bug in the X-server.  (on two different 
machines)

Point in fact, I have a fresh install on my main machine with hardly any 
changes.  That is, I installed it, found the problem still exists, and I 
haven't done much else with it.   So that's two machines,  KDE3 and KDE4 
under 8.10, all fresh installs.   Something is rotten.

I just blew away my .kde directory and .kderc  and let them get rebuilt....   
and no change...

Beats the heck outta me........



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 21:34:50 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:34:50 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811201325l77a0a8aatb319c14e2fc1a6bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49258B15.906@sbcglobal.net>	<200811201328.00379.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<b8d784880811201325l77a0a8aatb319c14e2fc1a6bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4925D7FA.90202@sbcglobal.net>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/20 Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>:
>   
>> You cannot format a recent hard drive, with recent being defined as nearly 20
>> years now.  The drives are factory formatted, and require instrumentation we
>> don't have, so they just spin for a bit and return with no error. All we do
>> is write the filesystems logical structure when we mke2fs a partition.
>>
>>     
>
> For most of the time called low-level formatting.
>
>   
>> I believe badblocks can work in that asked about mode, if e2fsck tells it
>> where to start and stop the scan at the partition boundaries.  That would
>> tend to automate the process for a beginner, at the expense of having to run
>> it on all the individual partitions in order to cover the whole disk.
>>
>> From the badblocks manpage, it can generate a file in the correct format to
>> send back to mke2fs or e2fsck and do it automatically from what I read.
>>
>> So I would run it to generate the file, (on a usb key or someplace not on that
>> drive) and then feed that file to e2fsck as a separate operation, which would
>> check (and repair if it can) the whole drive in only 2 operations.  The first
>> run is a lengthy procedure timewise, so expect an hour or more dependent on
>> the hardware.  The 500Gb Maxtor that just failed for me was about 11 hours to
>> check it all.
>>     
>
> That is to complicate things. Just let the fsck do the badblock test
> and mark the bad one. Use the -c parameter for a read test and -cc for
> a non-destructive read-write test and add -k to keep the blocks
> already marked bad.
>   
Jonas,  I don't know how to properly use the Shell.  I am studying it as 
we speak.  I have a pretty good idea of what badblocks are now, but 
wouldn't know how to mark them.  Steven
>   
>> I have now zeroed the bootable flag on it using fdisk, so I can re-install the
>> card and drive, and will see if its salvageable in the next day or so.
>>
>>     
>
> What do the boot flag got to do with installing anything? If i
> remember right the boot flag is used by DOS/windows to mark with
> partition to boot from and i don't think any new OS today care about
> it.
>   
I did not write the statement you are answering and don't understand it.
Steven
> / Jonas
>
>   




From d.mcglone at att.net  Thu Nov 20 21:44:28 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:28 -0500
Subject: Kde 4.1.3 beside kde 3 on 8.04
In-Reply-To: <380-2200811420213217207@M2W017.mail2web.com>
References: <380-2200811420213217207@M2W017.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <200811201644.28745.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Thursday 20 November 2008 4:32:17 pm claydoh at midmaine.com wrote:
> >I want to install kde 4.1.3 alongside kde 3 on 8.04. Kubuntu's website
>
> said to
>
> >check the unsupported updates in adept then click the upgrade button. Does
> >this mean the "full upgrade" button or the "version upgrade" button.
>
> As noted from http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.3:
> "The latest KDE 4 update 4.1.3 has moved to the backports section of
> Kubuntu 8.10"
>
> 4.1.3 as far as I can tell, only available for 8.10. At this point I am
> unaware if there are any plans for packages for Hardy, but I will ask.

Ah I completely overlooked "8.10" on that line. What was I thinking? That's 
really a blonde moment for me.

-- 
David M.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 21:50:00 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:50:00 -0500
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,	can anyone see why
	one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811200123j60cefdafu4152fdf47caae50d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
	<gg33m3$34u$1@ger.gmane.org>	<49252184.6040006@sbcglobal.net>
	<8f6eb7340811200123j60cefdafu4152fdf47caae50d@mail.gmail.com>
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Robert Parker wrote:
> Steven,
>
> Getting back to your OP, you said 'permission denied' I think. Maybe I 
> missed something here but I think I'd be starting with:
> sudo fdisk -l
> on the system with the 80 gig Maxtor. You will get a list of the 
> partition types on the drive.
> Then post the output of that to the list.
> BTW the option to fdisk is 'l' for lollipop not the figure 'one'. In 
> my typeface it's hard to see the difference ymmv.
>
> Bob
> -- 
> In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!
>
[sudo] password for steven:

Disk /dev/sda: 203.9 GB, 203928109056 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
/dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
/dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux

Partition table entries are not in disk order

Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xffffffff

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
/dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
/dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
steven at Studio25:~$                                  

Dear Bob,

My poor memory says I already answered this, however, it came fresh to 
my inbox, so here it is.  I copied and pasted from the shell.  I 
selected fixed width font, so I don't know why it is not aligned properly. 

Can you recognize a problem with either sda1 or sdb5?  What is sda2 all 
about.  And f W94 Ext'd (LBA)  looks like Windows 95 extended something. 



From kassube at gmx.net  Thu Nov 20 21:55:34 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:55:34 +0100
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=09trying_to_learn_how_to_use_terminal_to_fix_mount?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?_problem=2E?=
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References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201725.11629.kassube@gmx.net>
	<4925D2BC.8030805@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811202255.34626.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
> > Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> My sdb 5 partition is unusable.  sdb1 is the partition that contains
> >> my OS.  sdb5 is empty with an access denied.
> >
> > What do you mean with "access denied"? As a normal user you can't
> > write to the partition because it is owned by root. I suggest you
> > create a directory as root on the partition and change the ownership
> > for your user ID. You can do it in a terminal with these commands:
>
> Nils, I don't have experience, however, in the past, after I have
> created a partition, I go to System Settings on the menu then Advanced,
> then Disk&Filesystems, get Administrative privileges then Highlight the
> partition that I want to mount and click on Enable.  Then I am usually
> able to put data in that partition.  When I followed that process and
> attempted to put data in that partition, I was denied.  It said Access
> Denied.  I am pretty sure that is what I did with the other partitions
> that I use for storage.

Sorry, I have no experience with Gnome - I'm using KDE where the GUI 
administration is different (and for many things I prefer the command 
line anyway). Therefore I can't tell you how to do it using the GUI 
tools.

> > sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
> > sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
>
> Where it says USER, do I type in steven

If steven is your login name that should work. If you leave it as $USER it 
will work for sure because the shell will replace $USER with your login 
name.

> > Maybe you need to modify the commands at the "sdb5" part depending
> > where the partition is mounted.
>
> It is mounted at /media/sdb5.

OK, then you can use the commands just like I wrote them.


Nils



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 21:59:05 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:59:05 -0500
Subject: free webspace
In-Reply-To: <gg3hdp$g8k$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>	<gg33m3$34u$1@ger.gmane.org>	<49252184.6040006@sbcglobal.net>
	<gg3hdp$g8k$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4925DDA9.5060701@sbcglobal.net>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> You are right in the middle of why it is taking me so long to learn the 
>> OS.  I am 65, totally alone, only have expert help here, and I never was 
>> an intellectual.  If I didn't love this stuff so much, I would have quit 
>> years ago.  To show you where I am, yesterday was the first time I got 
>> in the help and manual section of the OS.  I have been fighting to stay 
>> afloat by experimenting with code placed in a posts for perhaps even 
>> different purposes than my need.  I have crashed my system to re-install 
>> so many times, you would think I be there by now.  But my human memory 
>> is quite defective, and I have to go through a successful process 
>> several times before it anchors on anything permanently, consequently it 
>> takes a long time for me to make little steps forward.  Nonetheless, 
>> with entry to the manuals I have a chance.  I am overwhelmed by the 
>> available help.  It is just a thrill.  I am so happy with the new access 
>> to information that I laugh with nothing funny happening.  Terminology 
>> is a little much for me sometimes, but a lot is starting to sink in.  If 
>> I had close contact with a specialist, I think I could speed things up.  
>> I just don't know.  My goal is to be able to adequately use the Shell, 
>> before I croak.  I literally love all you who are helping me.  You have 
>> no idea my gratitude.  I have struggled for months to learn simple 
>> solutions in the past.  That is how it is when you don't know where to 
>> start, don't know how to get there and don't have an educated friend to 
>> help you.  I read every post, every day; some is sinking in.
>>     
>>> 2. Whenever you want to illustrate things via a screenshot, it is a VERY 
>>> BAD, BAD, BAD idea to post it to the mailing list, since it floods 
>>> anyones mailbox, broadband and modem users alike.
>>>   
>>>       
>> As you can see, I did not post my screenshot.  But I did invite the 
>> possibility.  I am so grateful for the help, I don't want to anger 
>> anyone on the list by doing something inappropriate.  Shoot, I don't 
>> even know the right questions to ask most of the time.  And I am 
>> surprised when you can understand my ramblings, because I rarely 
>> understand your instructions.
>>
>>     
>
> Hi Steven,
>
> thanks much for explanation. This helps to understand each other much 
> better.
>
> Now, when I said; You are welcome, I reallly, really meant it like this!!
>
> You are wellcome to ask any question, ask again, when the gurus here are 
> over your head (they are over my head more often than I think is ok and 
> personally I cannot understand why a newbie question is answered with a 
> details that a newbie will not understand... Anyway, you are welcome to 
> ask once again and continue as long as you need it.
> This is the nature of Linux and there imho is no one who knows it all.
>
>   
>> How can I reveal my existing condition then, with my limited knowledge.  
>> I thought if you saw my Disk&FileSystems page you could see how I 
>> screwed up the process by experimenting and see how to make things work 
>> better.  Shoot, sometimes I format, just to get rid of the crud I have 
>> made and to start clean again.
>>     
>>> Instead get some space on the web.
>>>   
>>>       
>> Here is something I don't even understand.  What space and where, and if 
>> it costs very much, I am unable.  
>>     
>
> Here you go:
> http://www.free-webhosts.com/
>
> Furthermore, it is worth checking whether your internet and/or mail 
> provider is already offering some webspace for free with their services.
>
> Then you simply use a graphical ftp program and transfer your 
> screenshot, login files, basically anything that is useful to illustrate 
> your problem and what you have done to solve it.
>   
>
>   
>>> Your wellcome
>>> Eberhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>     
>
>
>   
Hi friend,

I probably have web space.  I have a DSL account with AT&T.Yahoo.  
Anyway, I really don't want to interact with the general public, 
however, I though a site that worked more or less like a chat program 
would be good.  Or just a big blank page, where I could upload the 
larger doc's for view by the list, then remove them as they have served 
their purpose.  Was that your idea or someone else's.  Anyway, I got the 
project started, but haven't got it running yet.  This was a very good 
day for learning.  Thanks to you and all.
Steven



From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Thu Nov 20 21:59:49 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:59:49 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	=?utf-8?q?can=09be_read_in_a_Microsoft?= OS?
In-Reply-To: <200811201036.28927.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net> <4919AE9C.3090809@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201036.28927.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811201659.49309.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Thursday 20 November 2008 10:36:23 Art Alexion wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2008 11:11:08 am Steven Vollom wrote:
> > >>    
> > >
> > > to get a listing of all files, try "ls"
> > > the Desktop is "Desktop" iirc
> > >  
> >
> > I have deleted previous comments; I was told by the moderator that my
> > post was getting too long.
> >
> > The attachment shows the result of ls, mozilla.pdf appears, but not when
> > I look at my desktop.  the file extension is .ps on my desktop.  The
> > attachment shows my desktop with the most recent terminal picture.
> 
> I can see from your screen shot that you are running the command from your 
> home directory (~ or /home/steven), but your question reveals that the 
> mozilla.ps file is on your Desktop (~/Desktop or /home/steven/Desktop).  So, 
> ps2pdf can't find the mozilla.ps file and errors out.
> 
> You have to tell ps2pdf where to find the file.  There are two ways to do 
> this.  One way is to give it a path.  Instead of 
> 
> 	steven at Studio25:~$ ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf
> 
> use
> 
> 	steven at Studio25:~$ Desktop/ps2pdf mozilla.ps Desktop/mozilla.pdf

Correct this by:

 	steven at Studio25:~$ ps2pdf Desktop/mozilla.ps Desktop/mozilla.pdf

> 
> or just change to the directory and execute the command.
> 
> 	steven at Studio25:~$ cd Desktop/
> 	steven at Studio25:~/Desktop$ ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf
> 
> By the way, you don't need to specify the output file for ps2pdf if you just 
> want to change the extension.  So
> 
> 	ps2pdf mozilla.ps
> 
> gives the same result as
> 
> 	ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf
> 
> You only need to specify the output file if (1) you want to give it a 
> different name, or (2) you want it created in a different location.  An 
> example of both: 
> 
> 	steven at Studio25:~/Desktop$ ps2pdf mozilla.ps ../Documents/meaningful_name.pdf
> 



-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...




From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Thu Nov 20 22:03:01 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:03:01 -0500
Subject: How do I import my address book from from Thunderbird to Kmail in
	Hardy?
In-Reply-To: <200811201036.29827.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <491FC59F.2020701@sbcglobal.net> <49244128.9090103@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201036.29827.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <200811201703.01758.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Thursday 20 November 2008 05:36:29 David Fletcher wrote:
> 
> I've not been following this thread, but a thought just occurred to me:-
> 
> When I wanted to copy the contents of my kaddressbook from my desktop computer 
> to my laptop, I did, I think, an export as CSV list from my desktop and 
> copied that file to my laptop.
> 
> Now, the strangeness. To import that CSV file, you have to specify to 
> Kaddressbook the format as you open it. It needs an option selected from a 
> drop-down, if I remember correctly, to specify what the headers mean, or 
> something like that. If I ran the import facility using Kontact, that drop 
> down list was empty, so I was unable to import my CSV file. If I shut down 
> Kontact and ran Kaddressbok directly, that drop down list in the import  
> facility was populated and had an option that was the obvious choice, and the 
> import worked perfectly. I could then shut down Kaddressbook and restart 
> Kontact, and all my information was there.
> 
> This might be irrelevant to this particular thread, but useful to somebody.
> 
> Dave
> 

Export your adressbook in vcf format,
it will contain self defining contents.


-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From kassube at gmx.net  Thu Nov 20 22:06:20 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:06:20 +0100
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=09trying_to_learn_how_to_use_terminal_to_fix_mount?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?_problem=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <200811202255.34626.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net> <4925D2BC.8030805@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811202255.34626.kassube@gmx.net>
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Nils Kassube wrote:
> Sorry, I have no experience with Gnome - I'm using KDE where the GUI
> administration is different

I think that doesn't make sense - this is the Kubuntu list after all. So 
please ignore that part to avoid confusion :)


Nils



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 22:11:24 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:11:24 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,  trying to learn how to use
	terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811202255.34626.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>	<200811201725.11629.kassube@gmx.net>	<4925D2BC.8030805@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811202255.34626.kassube@gmx.net>
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Nils Kassube wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Nils Kassube wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> My sdb 5 partition is unusable.  sdb1 is the partition that contains
>>>> my OS.  sdb5 is empty with an access denied.
>>>>         
>>> What do you mean with "access denied"? As a normal user you can't
>>> write to the partition because it is owned by root. I suggest you
>>> create a directory as root on the partition and change the ownership
>>> for your user ID. You can do it in a terminal with these commands:
>>>       
>> Nils, I don't have experience, however, in the past, after I have
>> created a partition, I go to System Settings on the menu then Advanced,
>> then Disk&Filesystems, get Administrative privileges then Highlight the
>> partition that I want to mount and click on Enable.  Then I am usually
>> able to put data in that partition.  When I followed that process and
>> attempted to put data in that partition, I was denied.  It said Access
>> Denied.  I am pretty sure that is what I did with the other partitions
>> that I use for storage.
>>     
>
> Sorry, I have no experience with Gnome - I'm using KDE where the GUI 
> administration is different (and for many things I prefer the command 
> line anyway). Therefore I can't tell you how to do it using the GUI 
> tools.
>   
I don't use Gnome either, Kubuntu Hardy.  
Kmenu>SystemSettings>AdvancedTab>Disk&Filesystems
>   
>>> sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
>>> sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
>>>       
I just did what you instructed and here is what happened:
steven at Studio25:~$ sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
[sudo] password for steven:
steven at Studio25:~$ sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
steven at Studio25:~$

What did I just do?  Thanks, I am belly laughing right now.  It makes me 
so happy when an old, old problem is solved.  There is a folder named 
steven that  can contain data now. 

Thanks,
Friend
>> Where it says USER, do I type in steven
>>     
>
> If steven is your login name that should work. If you leave it as $USER it 
> will work for sure because the shell will replace $USER with your login 
> name.
>
>   
>>> Maybe you need to modify the commands at the "sdb5" part depending
>>> where the partition is mounted.
>>>       
>> It is mounted at /media/sdb5.
>>     
>
> OK, then you can use the commands just like I wrote them.
>
>
> Nils
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 22:12:41 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:12:41 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,  trying to learn how to use
	terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811202306.20384.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
	<4925D2BC.8030805@sbcglobal.net>	<200811202255.34626.kassube@gmx.net>
	<200811202306.20384.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4925E0D9.8060008@sbcglobal.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
>   
>> Sorry, I have no experience with Gnome - I'm using KDE where the GUI
>> administration is different
>>     
I wish I knew why you thought I used Gnome.  I use Hardy KDE3.5.10
>
> I think that doesn't make sense - this is the Kubuntu list after all. So 
> please ignore that part to avoid confusion :)
>
>
> Nils
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 22:17:02 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:17:02 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that
	can,,,,  ** SOLVED ** THANKS!!!
In-Reply-To: <200811201659.49309.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net>
	<4919AE9C.3090809@sbcglobal.net>	<200811201036.28927.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811201659.49309.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4925E1DE.4000500@sbcglobal.net>

Martin Laberge wrote:
> On Thursday 20 November 2008 10:36:23 Art Alexion wrote:
>   
>> On Tuesday 11 November 2008 11:11:08 am Steven Vollom wrote:
>>     
>>>>>    
>>>>>           
>>>> to get a listing of all files, try "ls"
>>>> the Desktop is "Desktop" iirc
>>>>  
>>>>         
>>> I have deleted previous comments; I was told by the moderator that my
>>> post was getting too long.
>>>
>>> The attachment shows the result of ls, mozilla.pdf appears, but not when
>>> I look at my desktop.  the file extension is .ps on my desktop.  The
>>> attachment shows my desktop with the most recent terminal picture.
>>>       
>> I can see from your screen shot that you are running the command from your 
>> home directory (~ or /home/steven), but your question reveals that the 
>> mozilla.ps file is on your Desktop (~/Desktop or /home/steven/Desktop).  So, 
>> ps2pdf can't find the mozilla.ps file and errors out.
>>
>> You have to tell ps2pdf where to find the file.  There are two ways to do 
>> this.  One way is to give it a path.  Instead of 
>>
>> 	steven at Studio25:~$ ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf
>>
>> use
>>
>> 	steven at Studio25:~$ Desktop/ps2pdf mozilla.ps Desktop/mozilla.pdf
>>     
>
> Correct this by:
>
>  	steven at Studio25:~$ ps2pdf Desktop/mozilla.ps Desktop/mozilla.pdf
>
>   
>> or just change to the directory and execute the command.
>>
>> 	steven at Studio25:~$ cd Desktop/
>> 	steven at Studio25:~/Desktop$ ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf
>>
>> By the way, you don't need to specify the output file for ps2pdf if you just 
>> want to change the extension.  So
>>
>> 	ps2pdf mozilla.ps
>>
>> gives the same result as
>>
>> 	ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf
>>
>> You only need to specify the output file if (1) you want to give it a 
>> different name, or (2) you want it created in a different location.  An 
>> example of both: 
>>
>> 	steven at Studio25:~/Desktop$ ps2pdf mozilla.ps ../Documents/meaningful_name.pdf
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 22:22:36 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:22:36 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <4925BE7B.8030200@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49258B15.906@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201328.00379.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
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Message-ID: <200811201722.36173.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 20 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Thursday 20 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>> I did the following in the Shell:
>>> steven at Studio25:~$ e2fsck -c
>>> Usage: e2fsck [-panyrcdfvstDFSV] [-b superblock] [-B blocksize]
>>>               [-I inode_buffer_blocks] [-P process_inode_size]
>>>               [-l|-L bad_blocks_file] [-C fd] [-j external_journal]
>>>               [-E extended-options] device
>>>
>>> Emergency help:
>>> -p                   Automatic repair (no questions)
>>> -n                   Make no changes to the filesystem
>>> -y                   Assume "yes" to all questions
>>> -c                   Check for bad blocks and add them to the badblock
>>> list -f                   Force checking even if filesystem is marked
>>> clean -v                   Be verbose
>>> -b superblock        Use alternative superblock
>>> -B blocksize         Force blocksize when looking for superblock
>>> -j external_journal  Set location of the external journal
>>> -l bad_blocks_file   Add to badblocks list
>>> -L bad_blocks_file   Set badblocks list
>>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>>
>>> The following was included in a search:
>>>
>>> *Important note:* If the output of *badblocks* is going to be fed to the
>>> *e2fsck* or *mke2fs* programs, it is important that the block size is
>>> properly specified, since the block numbers which are generated are very
>>> dependent on the block size in use by the filesystem. For this reason,
>>> it is strongly recommended that users *not* run *badblocks* directly,
>>> but rather use the *-c* option of the *e2fsck* and *mke2fs* programs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Does the size of the blocks show here:
>>>
>>> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
>>> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>>> Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3
>>>
>>>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>>> /dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
>>> /dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
>>> /dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
>>> /dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap /
>>> Solaris
>>> /dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux
>>>
>>> Partition table entries are not in disk order
>>>
>>> Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
>>> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
>>> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>>> Disk identifier: 0xffffffff
>>>
>>>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>>> /dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
>>> /dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap /
>>> Solaris
>>> /dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
>>> /dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
>>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>> If there are badblocks and they are identified on the HDD, can the HDD
>>> still be used?  If I format the HDD, will the badblocks be wiped and
>>> usable after format?  TIA.
>>>
>>> Steven
>>
>> You cannot format a recent hard drive, with recent being defined as nearly
>> 20 years now.  The drives are factory formatted, and require
>> instrumentation we don't have, so they just spin for a bit and return with
>> no error. All we do is write the filesystems logical structure when we
>> mke2fs a partition.
>
>I am confused, what if you were trying to get rid of a virus or
>something like that, how would you clean the drive of infections?

With a new filesystem, like mke2fs.  The structure that allowed the virus to 
find itself is destroyed, the sectors it occupied are free'd for use.  The 
data in those sectors is immaterial from that point onward.  This is the 
equivalent of a 'logical format' as all data is lost.  Only recoverable by 
some pretty Sofi$ticated recovery programs.

>And 
>if you want to change the OS, do you just install it over existing
>data.

That is essentially correct.  When the new file system structure is written to 
the drive in that OS's way of doing things, there is simply no concern for 
whatever may have been there in the past.

>When I use Gparted, it says that it formats a drive or partition 
>when instructed.  Isn't it doing that when I click on format?

The only hard drive I ever actually physically formatted was an ST-238r, 20-30 
meg mfm interface Seagate, about 20 years ago.  It took about 30 minutes to 
do the physical format on that 30 megs, about a minute to install the logical 
format data of the OS9 (microware) operating system, and another 11 hours to 
do a read verify, which marks the unusable sectors out in the allocation 
table.

How quick did Gparted return again? :)

>> I believe badblocks can work in that asked about mode, if e2fsck tells it
>> where to start and stop the scan at the partition boundaries.  That would
>> tend to automate the process for a beginner, at the expense of having to
>> run it on all the individual partitions in order to cover the whole disk.
>
>I don't understand what this does, or how to understand and then utilize
>the resultant information.
>
First, I would query the drive using 'smartctl -a /dev/sdwhatever' the drive 
is.  Somewhere in that rather lengthy report will be a line that resembles 
this, under this header line:

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  
WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE

  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036    Pre-fail  
Always       -       0

That is all one line, and the last 0 is the count of defective and 
re-allocated sectors, which may not be 0 for any given drive, even new ones.

Have badblocks make the file for starters, see its man page for that.  Then 
look at the file.  If is empty, no drive problem.  If it has content, which 
is a number per line, then that file should be fed to e2fsck using the -l 
option. I see that e2fsck prefers one should do the -c -k option instead, but 
its something I have not personally done.  See the e2fsck man page, its 
clearer than I am I believe.  And my argument against that is that e2fsck 
should not be run on a mounted filesystem,  badblocks however can be, I've 
done it.

>> >From the badblocks manpage, it can generate a file in the correct format
>> > to
>>
>> send back to mke2fs or e2fsck and do it automatically from what I read.
>
>Would I be able to understand what happened and the information that was
>'send back to mke2fs'.  What is the result of the task?  Does it update
>something?  Does it fix something?  If it fixes something, what is
>damaged?  Is it physical damage or digital?

Its mapping around physical damage.  both the 'fs' utilities know how to 
access the drives own internal tables to add to the drives own bad block 
list, and which are then re-allocated from spares on the drive that we never 
see, but are there.
>
>> So I would run it to generate the file, (on a usb key
>
>is this the same as a thumb drive or USB memory chip?

Yes.

>>  or someplace not on that
>> drive) and then feed that file to e2fsck
>
>Is this like cutting and pasting the file to e2fsck?  How do I find
>e2fsck to open and paste the file?

No, again see the e2fsck man page, you follow the -l option with a full path 
to the file it is to use.  No cut-n-paste involved, it reads the file 
directly from that path.

>>  as a separate operation, which would
>> check (and repair if it can) the whole drive in only 2 operations.  The
>> first run is a lengthy procedure timewise, so expect an hour or more
>> dependent on the hardware.
>
>This partition is on an 80gb HDD.
>
>>   The 500Gb Maxtor that just failed for me was about 11 hours to
>> check it all.
>>
>> I have now zeroed the bootable flag on it using fdisk,
>
>What does zeroing the bootable flag do,

It prevents the bios from trying to boot from that drive.
>and is using fdisk just typing 
>fdisk into a shell?

yes, "fdisk /dev/device"

>If so, then what happens after you click enter, and 
>how do you use the information?

fdisk is a text only utility, once running hit m for help, p for the drives 
present geometry, yadda yadda.
q to quit without changes, w to quit after committing the changes.

>>  so I can re-install the
>> card
>
>What is 'the card'

In my case, this mobo only has one pata/ide port, so I have to use a pci card 
to access more than 2 drives.  Most mobo's have two ports and can handle 4 
drives.

>>  and drive,
>
>by drive, do you mean the partition sdb5 or the 80 gb drive?

When I say drive, its the whole thing.  If the drive has more than one 
partition, then I would refer to the partition on that drive, which is not 
the whole thing.

>>  and will see if its salvageable in the next day or so.
>
>I found out  something important yesterday.  Because I am an artist, I
>have been using only the right side of my brain for over 60 years.  I am
>not easily capable of understand a logical thing, unless it is visual or
>explained in those terms.  I talked with someone who had to learn to use
>the other side of his brain.  Another artist.  We just don't see thing
>in a Logical way like a computer guru.  It isn't that we won't be able,
>I am doing what I need to do now to exercise my left brain by learning
>from people like you.  It is why it is so difficult for you to help me,
>I think.  But I can absorb enormous amounts of visual information that
>you could not see unless taught, unless you teach your right-brain
>activity to become more important to you.  Do you notice how I have to
>break down the pieces of what you say?  Logic to Logic can communicate
>in a few words.  Visual to logic takes a lot of additional information.
>Logic to Visual also takes more information than a logical person thinks
>necessary.  If you don't lose patience with me, I am having
>breakthroughs.  I am getting able to understand how to ask questions in
>a way that you can understand me.  I am starting to learn how to process
>what is said.  It is glorious.  I didn't think I was stupid, but for me
>the way a computer specialist talks is about the same as trying to
>understand Chinese.  Until I learn the language it is babble to me.
>Every answer given to me creates new questions, and I have to take that
>information and figure out what you mean.  Please don't give up on me.
>Things are changing.  It is like coming from a dark room into the light.

Good, later, dinner calls.


-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
It has long been known that one horse can run faster than another --
but which one?  Differences are crucial.
		-- Lazarus Long



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 22:24:41 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:24:41 -0500
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,	can anyone see why
	one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811200123j60cefdafu4152fdf47caae50d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
	<gg33m3$34u$1@ger.gmane.org>	<49252184.6040006@sbcglobal.net>
	<8f6eb7340811200123j60cefdafu4152fdf47caae50d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4925E3A9.9000700@sbcglobal.net>

Robert Parker wrote:
> Steven,
>
> Getting back to your OP, you said 'permission denied' I think. Maybe I 
> missed something here but I think I'd be starting with:
> sudo fdisk -l
> on the system with the 80 gig Maxtor. You will get a list of the 
> partition types on the drive.
> Then post the output of that to the list.
> BTW the option to fdisk is 'l' for lollipop not the figure 'one'. In 
> my typeface it's hard to see the difference ymmv.
>
> Bob
> -- 
> In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!
>
 Apparently I just deleted an important email.  Perhaps you can advise 
with part of the info.  It started with something like sudo mkdir 
/dev/sdb5/$USER  ???
then chown /dev/sdb5/$USER.  Does that look partially familiar to create 
a folder named steven in my unusable sdb5 which holds data.  I tried it 
and it works.



From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 22:45:51 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:45:51 +0700
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,
	can anyone see why one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <4925DB88.1070003@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net> <gg33m3$34u$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<49252184.6040006@sbcglobal.net>
	<8f6eb7340811200123j60cefdafu4152fdf47caae50d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925DB88.1070003@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8f6eb7340811201445r271bca01xc76b8c490e3d0a1a@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Robert Parker wrote:
> > Steven,
> >
> > Getting back to your OP, you said 'permission denied' I think. Maybe I
> > missed something here but I think I'd be starting with:
> > sudo fdisk -l
> > on the system with the 80 gig Maxtor. You will get a list of the
> > partition types on the drive.
> > Then post the output of that to the list.
> > BTW the option to fdisk is 'l' for lollipop not the figure 'one'. In
> > my typeface it's hard to see the difference ymmv.
> >
> > Bob
> > --
> > In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!
> >
> [sudo] password for steven:
>
> Disk /dev/sda: 203.9 GB, 203928109056 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3
>
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
> /dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
> /dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
> /dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap /
> Solaris
> /dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux
>
> Partition table entries are not in disk order
>
> Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0xffffffff
>
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
> /dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap /
> Solaris
> /dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
> /dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
> steven at Studio25:~$
>
> Dear Bob,
>
> My poor memory says I already answered this, however, it came fresh to
> my inbox, so here it is.  I copied and pasted from the shell.  I
> selected fixed width font, so I don't know why it is not aligned properly.


Text is aligned good enough.

>
> Can you recognize a problem with either sda1 or sdb5?  What is sda2 all
> about.  And f W94 Ext'd (LBA)  looks like Windows 95 extended something.


There is not necessarily any problem with any of your partitions. You
originally complained about 'permission errors' when you attempted to access
your sda5 from some GUI program. Then it all speared into some discussion
about bad blocks for reasons beyond my ken.

In the shell just type:
cd /media
sudo chown -R $USER:$USER sda5
sudo chown -R $USER:$USER sda7

Then you will able to access whatever you need there.

The Win 95 partition is there because someone using a partition editor put
it there. It is no use for anything unless you want to share data with
Windows but even then it is no longer needed because modern Linuxen can read
and write to Windows ntfs partions if there were any around.

Bob
-- 
In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!
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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 23:23:28 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:23:28 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <1590602.XH8meKTQOz@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net>
	<1590602.XH8meKTQOz@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811201823.28255.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 20 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
>btw, back "in the day", the bad block list used to be written in pen on
>the disk cover...
>--
>derek

Chuckle, I've seen that, once, in fact I think I have a 10 meg tandon full 
height with that feature.  I expect its at least 25 years old.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
<Mercury> knghtbrd: Eww, find a better name, the movie sucked.. <G>
<Knghtbrd> Mercury: The engine is better than the movie



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Thu Nov 20 23:31:35 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:31:35 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811201325l77a0a8aatb319c14e2fc1a6bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49258B15.906@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201328.00379.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<b8d784880811201325l77a0a8aatb319c14e2fc1a6bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811201831.35113.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 20 November 2008, Jonas Norlander wrote:
>2008/11/20 Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>:
>> You cannot format a recent hard drive, with recent being defined as nearly
>> 20 years now.  The drives are factory formatted, and require
>> instrumentation we don't have, so they just spin for a bit and return with
>> no error. All we do is write the filesystems logical structure when we
>> mke2fs a partition.
>
>For most of the time called low-level formatting.
>
>> I believe badblocks can work in that asked about mode, if e2fsck tells it
>> where to start and stop the scan at the partition boundaries.  That would
>> tend to automate the process for a beginner, at the expense of having to
>> run it on all the individual partitions in order to cover the whole disk.
>>
>> From the badblocks manpage, it can generate a file in the correct format
>> to send back to mke2fs or e2fsck and do it automatically from what I read.
>>
>> So I would run it to generate the file, (on a usb key or someplace not on
>> that drive) and then feed that file to e2fsck as a separate operation,
>> which would check (and repair if it can) the whole drive in only 2
>> operations.  The first run is a lengthy procedure timewise, so expect an
>> hour or more dependent on the hardware.  The 500Gb Maxtor that just failed
>> for me was about 11 hours to check it all.
>
>That is to complicate things. Just let the fsck do the badblock test
>and mark the bad one. Use the -c parameter for a read test and -cc for
>a non-destructive read-write test and add -k to keep the blocks
>already marked bad.
>
>> I have now zeroed the bootable flag on it using fdisk, so I can re-install
>> the card and drive, and will see if its salvageable in the next day or so.
>
>What do the boot flag got to do with installing anything? If i
>remember right the boot flag is used by DOS/windows to mark with
>partition to boot from and i don't think any new OS today care about
>it.
>
>/ Jonas

The os's don't, but the bios still does.  The ASUS bios is, IMO, buggier than 
a 10 day old carcass.

In this case, if I plug the JMicron pata card back in, and the bootable flag 
is set on that drive, that bios automatically wants to boot from it before 
looking for another bootable partition on the main board interface.  And that 
VERY effectively stops the boot when it gets as far as printing "GRUB" on the 
cleared screen, 30 seconds later the drive led goes off and the only response 
is to the hardware reset button.

Yeah, buggy bios, and its the latest one that will boot.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
<Mercury> knghtbrd: Eww, find a better name, the movie sucked.. <G>
<Knghtbrd> Mercury: The engine is better than the movie



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 23:47:22 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:47:22 -0700
Subject: Install Cisco VPN client on Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4925881E.10501@invisibleray.com>
References: <mailman.18975.1227196083.3837.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
	<4925881E.10501@invisibleray.com>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811201547q39feaed5nacc9b247c9fcd6d5@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Laurent Humblet
<mailinglists at invisibleray.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to install the Cisco VPN client on Kubuntu 8.10.  As I had a
> quick search for howtos, I realised that most of them are for previous
> versions of Ubuntu.
>
> My query here is to ask for advice and/or experience on installing the
> Cisco VPN client on Kubuntu 8.10.

Unless you really need the cisco client, I'd recommend using vpnc
instead.  Vpnc is an open source project that implements the Cicso
protocol.  I've had good success with it and poor success with Cisco's
module.  For starters, last time I checked, cisco doesn't do 64 bit or
multi-processing.  I keep expecting that to change.

Michael



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 00:12:39 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:12:39 -0700
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <4925BE7B.8030200@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49258B15.906@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201328.00379.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<4925BE7B.8030200@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811201612o4a234583nf636c11ff21334d3@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I found out  something important yesterday.  Because I am an artist, I
> have been using only the right side of my brain for over 60 years.  I am
> not easily capable of understand a logical thing, unless it is visual or
> explained in those terms.

Steve, don't put yourself down so much.  You are doing fine.

The reason you are having such trouble is, I believe, that you are
really diving in and tying to do some pretty tricky things.  You are
asking relatively deep and expert questions before you've really
learned your way around.  That's a GOOD thing, not bad at all, but it
does mean that many of the answers will be hard to understand until
you've absorbed more of the Unix way of thinking.

For instance, you're doing things with partitions that beginners
aren't expected to do.  You're trying to convert a file format
(postscript) that most people don't even know exists.  So when you ask
these tougher questions you get deeper answers.  The responder assumes
that you are fairly comfortable with the command line.  We might even
assume that you know about the "unix way" and can use pipes and I/O
redirection to feed the output of one command line program to the
input of another.

So keep asking those questions and we'll keep answering them.  Be
aware that the answers may lead you to places you haven't been before.
 If you want to be proactive, start reading any of the dozens
(hundreds?  thousands?) of linux tutorials.  For instance,
http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php looks useful, but there
are many out there all discoverable with a simple google search.

Another useful and very fun read is to browse the jargon file:
http://catb.org/jargon/html/index.html  The jargon file is a wonderful
and opinionated write-up of hacker culture.  I particularly like to
browse the glossary http://catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html  I pick one
word then follow links and always learn a lot.

Keep up the good work.

Michael



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 21 00:45:07 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:45:07 -0500
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,	can anyone see why
	one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811201445r271bca01xc76b8c490e3d0a1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>	<200811192327.46948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<4924F592.5090407@sbcglobal.net>
	<gg33m3$34u$1@ger.gmane.org>	<49252184.6040006@sbcglobal.net>	<8f6eb7340811200123j60cefdafu4152fdf47caae50d@mail.gmail.com>	<4925DB88.1070003@sbcglobal.net>
	<8f6eb7340811201445r271bca01xc76b8c490e3d0a1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49260493.7070901@sbcglobal.net>

Robert Parker wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Steven Vollom 
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net <mailto:stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
>     Robert Parker wrote:
>     > Steven,
>     >
>     > Getting back to your OP, you said 'permission denied' I think.
>     Maybe I
>     > missed something here but I think I'd be starting with:
>     > sudo fdisk -l
>     > on the system with the 80 gig Maxtor. You will get a list of the
>     > partition types on the drive.
>     > Then post the output of that to the list.
>     > BTW the option to fdisk is 'l' for lollipop not the figure 'one'. In
>     > my typeface it's hard to see the difference ymmv.
>     >
>     > Bob
>     > --
>     > In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux
>     instead!
>     >
>     [sudo] password for steven:
>
>     Disk /dev/sda: 203.9 GB, 203928109056 bytes
>     255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
>     Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>     Disk identifier: 0x47a447a3
>
>       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>     /dev/sda1   *           1        1824    14651248+  83  Linux
>     /dev/sda2            1825       24792   184490460    f  W95 Ext'd
>     (LBA)
>     /dev/sda5           16523       24792    66428775   83  Linux
>     /dev/sda6            1825        2006     1461852   82  Linux swap
>     / Solaris
>     /dev/sda7            2007       16522   116599738+  83  Linux
>
>     Partition table entries are not in disk order
>
>     Disk /dev/sdb: 81.9 GB, 81964302336 bytes
>     255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
>     Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>     Disk identifier: 0xffffffff
>
>       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>     /dev/sdb1               1        2591    20812176   83  Linux
>     /dev/sdb2            2592        2856     2128612+  82  Linux swap
>     / Solaris
>     /dev/sdb3            2857        9964    57095010    5  Extended
>     /dev/sdb5            2857        9964    57094978+  83  Linux
>     steven at Studio25:~$
>
>     Dear Bob,
>
>     My poor memory says I already answered this, however, it came fresh to
>     my inbox, so here it is.  I copied and pasted from the shell.  I
>     selected fixed width font, so I don't know why it is not aligned
>     properly.
>
>
> Text is aligned good enough.
>
>
>     Can you recognize a problem with either sda1 or sdb5?  What is
>     sda2 all
>     about.  And f W94 Ext'd (LBA)  looks like Windows 95 extended
>     something.
>
>
> There is not necessarily any problem with any of your partitions. You 
> originally complained about 'permission errors' when you attempted to 
> access your sda5 from some GUI program. Then it all speared into some 
> discussion about bad blocks for reasons beyond my ken.
Someone responding to t
>
> In the shell just type:
> cd /media
> sudo chown -R $USER:$USER sda5
> sudo chown -R $USER:$USER sda7
>
> Then you will able to access whatever you need there.
>
> The Win 95 partition is there because someone using a partition editor 
> put it there. It is no use for anything unless you want to share data 
> with Windows but even then it is no longer needed because modern 
> Linuxen can read and write to Windows ntfs partions if there were any 
> around.
>
> Bob
> -- 
> In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!
>
I don't know what I did to have so many be so kind to me.  Thanks, my 
friend.  You guys are going to make a techie out of me yet.  Then I will 
be able to lessen the load a little.  My little dictionary is filling 
with those sweet code words.  Have a good today and abetter tomorrow.

Caio,
Steven



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 21 01:22:25 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:22:25 -0400
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,
	trying to learn how to use terminal to fix mount problem.
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201725.11629.kassube@gmx.net>
	<4925D2BC.8030805@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <2375290.SH5gRdydxO@cedar.serverforest.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

>> sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
>> sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
>>   
> Where it says USER, do I type in steven

It doesn't say "USER", it's "$USER" - and $USER is an environment 
variable that is always set to _your_ username (or more correctly, USER 
is the variable, and the $ _tells_ the shell it's a variable).  So it 
makes it possible for us to give a command that will work for _you_ but 
also for anybody else who has the same problem as you.

and btw, as Michael said, you only feel stupid because you're doing 
things most newbies won't try.  You're also not afraid to ask questions 
that most people think would make them look stupid.  So think of it as 
just asking question for all those other users who want to know, but are 
too timid to ask :-)

-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 21 01:26:56 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:26:56 -0400
Subject: 8.10: Konfused by KDE4
References: <hpkev5-dre.ln1@pepper.local.lan> <492519FF.1090207@gmail.com>
	<u26hv5-me7.ln1@pepper.local.lan>
Message-ID: <6182220.cCPmTe8R4g@cedar.serverforest.com>

David M wrote:

> Thanks, that was useful. It would have been useful if KDE 4 could have
> loaded that page on "first run" or something like that. It really is
> quite a culture shock to encounter it for the first time as it is so
> different from what we're all used to.

Good point - but I've had earlier Kubuntu versions do that, and I think 
they took flak from users who didn't want Konqueror showing anything they 
hadn't asked for.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 21 01:52:41 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:52:41 -0400
Subject: 8.10: Konfused by KDE4
References: <hpkev5-dre.ln1@pepper.local.lan>
	<2118759.zlkKh7MVSI@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<ut5hv5-me7.ln1@pepper.local.lan>
Message-ID: <3433702.1tzd5nAZCJ@cedar.serverforest.com>

David M wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.kubuntu
>  about: Re: 8.10: Konfused by KDE4
> 
>>> The "titlebar" of this panel and the similar (but more obvious)
>>> sticky notes 'plasmoid' show to the side. Is there any way to have
>>> them show to the top, like a normal window?
>>
>> I think not, and that's probably _specifically_ to differentiate
>> plasmoids from windows.
> 
> I'm not really sure why I should actually care why they are different
> from normal windows ;-)

I don't :-)  and I could be wrong about why it's the way it is, too.
 
>>> These "titlebars" contain 4 icons, one of which looks like a close
>>> gadget, the other 3 are not obvious, and don't have tooltips either.
> 
> Thanks. I'll confess, I did half-guess what the spanner was for, but
> the other two really were confusing. But: rotate? *Why?* !! ;-(

Duh!  "Because you can!"  I'm not even sure how I found that out, but I 
sure can't imagine _wanting_ to rotate most of them.  otoh, I put "luna" 
on my desktop, and that moon doesn't look right for my latitude - maybe 
just a slight rotation...

> That seems to serve no purpose other than "Hey, look how many GPU
> cycles I can waste..". And to think that once upon a time Linux had a
> reputation for being efficient.. 

I'm beginning to get really PO'd by the greying off my current window 
when the system gets too busy to do anything with it ... and I can never 
figure out what's taking all the cpu (though "plasma" is right up there).

> The old panel always had a small space for a 'nib' next to embedded
> applets,

Not always - if you locked it, the grab bars weren't there.

>>> Similarly, I have KNewsTicker in my other panel,
>>
>> It should be possible to just stick that somewhere on the desktop.
> 
> Ah, but I don't want it to be on the desktop (I'm not sure if it even
> can be). It's precisely because KNewsTicker was the only newsfeed
> ticker that I ever found that actually did work as a ticker embedded
> within a panel that I like it! :-) I don't want to have to consciously
> switch to a different app to scan news headlines, it's the fact that
> KNewsTicker is just constantly there, slowly and discreetly scrolling
> along the bottom of my screen that I really like:

Well, I was thinking that you could stick it in a "panel-like" space on 
some edge of the desktop.  I can't even say for certain it would work, 
but so far I've found that any widget I've tried can be either in the 
panel or on the desktop - and some of them aren't even meaningful in the 
panel (I added the "comic strip" to the panel, and couldn't figure out 
what it was supposed to do - then I discovered it had to go on the 
desktop).  I'd have tried the news ticker before suggesting this, except 
that I haven't found one.

> [new -> old K menu]
>>
>> Yes - choose the "classic" menu widget or right-click on the existing
>> menu button and choose "classic" :-)
> 
> Thanks, unfortunately the supposed old K menu isn't exactly the same
> as the old K menu: having "recently used" awkwardly lurking off a
> sub-menu (duh) rather than listed right at the top of the menu is
> entirely missing the point of quick access! :-(

I can see that it's not quite identical, but obviously what you're 
looking for is not something that I need - and is probably why I don't 
mind the new menu.  "Classic" looks essentially classic to me :-)

Interestingly, though, I never used "recently used" in the classic menu 
(or in Windows - because some quirk of the corporate policy results in 
almost nothing actually showing as "recently used"), and with Kickoff, it 
annoys me that it's the _last_ tab - I wonder if I can change that...) 

> Thanks for all your advice. I dare say I could probably eventually
> adapt to KDE 4, but because it's currently just so darn slow with the
> nv driver, 

It's certainly slower than my old KDE, and I'd love to hear tips for 
speeding it up.
-- 
derek




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 02:34:20 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:34:20 -0500
Subject: How do I convert a mozilla.ps to html or some extention that can
	be read in a Microsoft OS?
In-Reply-To: <200811201659.49309.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <4918F5B2.90008@sbcglobal.net> <4919AE9C.3090809@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201036.28927.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811201659.49309.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811201834s2ad1af59k578696861aa20bdb@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Martin Laberge <mlsoft at videotron.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday 20 November 2008 10:36:23 Art Alexion wrote:

>> I can see from your screen shot that you are running the command from your
>> home directory (~ or /home/steven), but your question reveals that the
>> mozilla.ps file is on your Desktop (~/Desktop or /home/steven/Desktop).  So,
>> ps2pdf can't find the mozilla.ps file and errors out.
>>
>> You have to tell ps2pdf where to find the file.  There are two ways to do
>> this.  One way is to give it a path.  Instead of
>>
>>       steven at Studio25:~$ ps2pdf mozilla.ps mozilla.pdf
>>
>> use
>>
>>       steven at Studio25:~$ Desktop/ps2pdf mozilla.ps Desktop/mozilla.pdf
>
> Correct this by:
>
>        steven at Studio25:~$ ps2pdf Desktop/mozilla.ps Desktop/mozilla.pdf
>


Martin, thanks for picking up the typo.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From d.mcglone at att.net  Fri Nov 21 02:58:48 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:58:48 -0500
Subject: VGA mode not supported
Message-ID: <200811202158.48666.>

Hi all,

With the last couple releases of kubuntu I have not been able to install 
kubuntu on my desktop using the live CD because when it boots, 
everything is way  too big for the screen and it's impossible to navigate, 
so I always use the alternate cd ,which also after installation is HUGE, 
but I have managed to navigate around enough to enable the restricted 
drivers for my video card and after a reboot, all is well.

Well I just installed 8.10 on my desktop with the alternate cd and low 
and behold, I can't even get a HUGE desktop, all I get is my monitor 
complaining VGA mode not supported.

I have a 17" flat monitor that can do from 640x480 up to 1280x768. 
my video card is and ATI radeon x300se RV370.

I tried booting into safe mode and that doesn't work like it used to in 
previous releases where a desktop would come up. I even tried dpkg-
reconfigure xserver-xorg and it doesn't let the xserver be configured 
anymore, just the keyboard.

What should I do?
TIA
David M.




From kassube at gmx.net  Fri Nov 21 06:33:17 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:33:17 +0100
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,
	trying to learn how to use terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <4925E08C.9080705@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811202255.34626.kassube@gmx.net>
	<4925E08C.9080705@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811210733.17596.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
> > Sorry, I have no experience with Gnome - I'm using KDE where the GUI
> > administration is different (and for many things I prefer the command
> > line anyway). Therefore I can't tell you how to do it using the GUI
> > tools.
>
> I don't use Gnome either, Kubuntu Hardy.
> Kmenu>SystemSettings>AdvancedTab>Disk&Filesystems

Well, like I wrote in the other mail, I was a bit confused about the list, 
so I realised that you aren't using Gnome after I sent that remark. And 
now I had a look at Disk&Filesystems. It seems to be a tool to 
maintain the /etc/fstab file, but there is no help available, so I 
will not play with the settings.

> I just did what you instructed and here is what happened:
> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
> [sudo] password for steven:
> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
> steven at Studio25:~$
>
> What did I just do?

You did what I wrote in my original mail. First you created a directory 
with the command "mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER". Only root was allowed to 
write to the partition, so you needed root privilege. Therefore the 
command was prepended with "sudo". Then you changed the ownership from 
root to yourself with the command "chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER". And 
again, only root was allowed to do that, so the "sudo" command was needed 
again. Now, if you are really curious about these commands you can have a 
look at the man pages. Type "man:sudo" in the address bar of Konqueror 
without quotes and also "man:mkdir" and "man:chown".

> There is a folder 
> named steven that  can contain data now.

And if you want to access your new folder more easily you can create a 
link in your home directory with a command like this:

ln -s /media/sdb5/$USER $HOME/sdb5


Nils



From gkourtev at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 08:17:34 2008
From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:17:34 +0200
Subject: Firefox 3.0.4 does not work if istalled with adept
Message-ID: <200811211017.34961.gkourtev@gmail.com>


Friends,

I've got interesting issues related to Firefox web browser.  If I got it 
installed through adept, it does not work at all.  When launched, the firefox 
process gets into the process list, but the program does not work. 

If I got it downloaded from internet and installed, it works just fine.  Any 
ideas how this can be solved so I ca use adept for installing it and future 
update?

In either cases the version is firefox 3.0.4=

Thanks.
gk

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From girardhenri at free.fr  Fri Nov 21 08:23:21 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:23:21 +0100
Subject: Firefox 3.0.4 does not work if istalled with adept
In-Reply-To: <200811211017.34961.gkourtev@gmail.com>
References: <200811211017.34961.gkourtev@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1227255801.19245.1.camel@tai.ji>

i have it on jaunty and installed it update it through update-manager
-d, it works but is very slow !


Le vendredi 21 novembre 2008 à 10:17 +0200, Georgi Kourtev a écrit :
> Friends,
> 
> I've got interesting issues related to Firefox web browser. If I got
> it installed through adept, it does not work at all. When launched,
> the firefox process gets into the process list, but the program does
> not work. 
> 
> If I got it downloaded from internet and installed, it works just
> fine. Any ideas how this can be solved so I ca use adept for
> installing it and future update?
> 
> In either cases the version is firefox 3.0.4=
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> gk
> 




From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 09:25:27 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:25:27 +0100
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <200811201831.35113.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <49258B15.906@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811201328.00379.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<b8d784880811201325l77a0a8aatb319c14e2fc1a6bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811201831.35113.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811210125p1100d817y13c22a71a86876e5@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/21 Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>:
>>> I have now zeroed the bootable flag on it using fdisk, so I can re-install
>>> the card and drive, and will see if its salvageable in the next day or so.
>>
>>What do the boot flag got to do with installing anything? If i
>>remember right the boot flag is used by DOS/windows to mark with
>>partition to boot from and i don't think any new OS today care about
>>it.
>>
>>/ Jonas
>
> The os's don't, but the bios still does.  The ASUS bios is, IMO, buggier than
> a 10 day old carcass.
>
> In this case, if I plug the JMicron pata card back in, and the bootable flag
> is set on that drive, that bios automatically wants to boot from it before
> looking for another bootable partition on the main board interface.  And that
> VERY effectively stops the boot when it gets as far as printing "GRUB" on the
> cleared screen, 30 seconds later the drive led goes off and the only response
> is to the hardware reset button.
>
> Yeah, buggy bios, and its the latest one that will boot.
>

OK!

Good to know. I never happend to me and i have several ASUS
motherboard but i never looked what flag i have on the partitions.

/ Jonas



From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 09:37:09 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:37:09 +0300
Subject: 8.10: Konfused by KDE4
In-Reply-To: <6182220.cCPmTe8R4g@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <hpkev5-dre.ln1@pepper.local.lan>
	<492519FF.1090207@gmail.com>	<u26hv5-me7.ln1@pepper.local.lan>
	<6182220.cCPmTe8R4g@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <49268145.9090503@gmail.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> David M wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks, that was useful. It would have been useful if KDE 4 could have
>> loaded that page on "first run" or something like that. It really is
>> quite a culture shock to encounter it for the first time as it is so
>> different from what we're all used to.
>>     
>
> Good point - but I've had earlier Kubuntu versions do that, and I think 
> they took flak from users who didn't want Konqueror showing anything they 
> hadn't asked for.
>   
Agree, i would be nice to have information "how to use kde4" after 
installation.
as for "do not show anything wasn't requested" i think it would be ok to 
have a default bookmarks in Konqueror (default browser) in "KDE4" folder 
for example.

I remember firefox has something similar - they provide a set of default 
bookmarks. That's not very annoying.



From basroufs at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 09:38:40 2008
From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:38:40 +0100
Subject: Firefox 3.0.4 does not work if istalled with adept
In-Reply-To: <1227255801.19245.1.camel@tai.ji>
References: <200811211017.34961.gkourtev@gmail.com>
	<1227255801.19245.1.camel@tai.ji>
Message-ID: <c638edc20811210138q3178b879n21d5a8353e6618ad@mail.gmail.com>

Dear everybody.

About Mid-October I installed Kubuntu 8.10 'from scratch', at an empty
partition. Then, I installed Firefox via K-Menu >> Applications >> "Ad/
Remove software" Adept installer. This worked OK.
In the first two weeks the behaviour of Firefox was a bit strange - e.g.
small letters and images which needed to be adjusted by means of CONTROL+.
But in the mean time, some Firefox related update came in. One of the recent
updates contained an upgrade. So, now I have Firefox 3.04 as well. However
it may be, the browser works fairly well now - at my machine at least .....

I hope this comment is useful for you.

Respectfully Yours,

Bas.





2008/11/21 Girard Henri <girardhenri at free.fr>

> i have it on jaunty and installed it update it through update-manager
> -d, it works but is very slow !
>
>
> Le vendredi 21 novembre 2008 à 10:17 +0200, Georgi Kourtev a écrit :
> > Friends,
> >
> > I've got interesting issues related to Firefox web browser. If I got
> > it installed through adept, it does not work at all. When launched,
> > the firefox process gets into the process list, but the program does
> > not work.
> >
> > If I got it downloaded from internet and installed, it works just
> > fine. Any ideas how this can be solved so I ca use adept for
> > installing it and future update?
> >
> > In either cases the version is firefox 3.0.4=
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > gk
> >
>
>
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> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
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Van 't Hoffstraat 1
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From tuxebi at gmx.de  Fri Nov 21 10:43:58 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:43:58 +0100
Subject: VGA mode not supported
In-Reply-To: <48047.2864270725$1227236429@news.gmane.org>
References: <48047.2864270725$1227236429@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <gg63de$ecm$1@ger.gmane.org>

David McGlone wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> With the last couple releases of kubuntu I have not been able to install 
> kubuntu on my desktop using the live CD because when it boots, 
> everything is way  too big for the screen and it's impossible to navigate, 
> so I always use the alternate cd ,which also after installation is HUGE, 
> but I have managed to navigate around enough to enable the restricted 
> drivers for my video card and after a reboot, all is well.
> 
> Well I just installed 8.10 on my desktop with the alternate cd and low 
> and behold, I can't even get a HUGE desktop, all I get is my monitor 
> complaining VGA mode not supported.

When do you get this message? At the very beginning of booting the PC or 
when X should be started?
> 
> I have a 17" flat monitor that can do from 640x480 up to 1280x768. 
> my video card is and ATI radeon x300se RV370.

Are you sure? A 4:3 17" TFT should support 1280x1024 imho.
> 
> I tried booting into safe mode and that doesn't work like it used to in 
> previous releases where a desktop would come up. I even tried dpkg-
> reconfigure xserver-xorg and it doesn't let the xserver be configured 
> anymore, just the keyboard.
> 
> What should I do?

maybe start with "sudo lspci |grep VGA", thus letting us know about your 
graphics board?

regards
Eberhard





From davidp540 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 11:08:07 2008
From: davidp540 at gmail.com (David)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:08:07 +1100
Subject: Broken Grub
Message-ID: <5010b260811210308i534a599ep37010d2272f487eb@mail.gmail.com>

Assistance please.
I have the following:

Dual boot with Grub Windows XP and Ubuntu 8.10 (64 bit)
AMD 64 processor
two cd roms
one older SCSI Maxtor 60 gig hard drive mounted as hda formatted win ntfs
two 80 gig SATA drive one formatted ntfs (hdb) and the other native Linux
(forget the file name but Linux native) (hdc)

I happily had Ubunto (upgraded) installed and runing fine on the hdc drive
but as is usual needed to re-install Windows XP.

I did so and lost Grub.

Maybe incorrectly but I booted up the Ubuntu 8.10 on the CD ROM and
eventually installed a clean copy of 8.10 onto a new partition on hdc.
But now I've completely lost my orginal perfectly fine (upgraded) install of
Ubuntu 8.10 with all my docs and add-ons etc!

When I boot into the new 8.10 install I can even see the hdc drive.

How do I get Grub to see my old install (it doesn't list it as an option on
boot).
How do I get to mount the drive hdc that I can't even see.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
David
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From basroufs at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 11:08:13 2008
From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:08:13 +0100
Subject: Incorrect user name popping up in Firefox every time at a specific
	page.
Message-ID: <c638edc20811210308t1c677d78u2683efc8e3da1fda@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Everybody

Already for a few years, there is some strange detail which puzzles me in
the behaviour of Firefox - from whichever OS I use it. In order to make you
understand the problem, I attached a screen shot to this message: a
screenshot of the relevant detail of some web mail entry page. On one hand I
DO manage to change the password (in Dutch: "wachtwoord") whenever necessary
and to properly store that changed password for every next working session
at a specific page. On the other hand, I do NOT manage to permanently
change the user name (in Dutch: gebruikersnaam). Whenever I open that
specific web mail entry page, I need to manually correct this username,
because the incorrect username which I typed in by mistake one time, pops up
every time :-).  Does anybody know a trick to solve this little, nasty
problem?

Thanks for your answer(s).

Bas.


-- 
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Bas G. Roufs M.A.
Van 't Hoffstraat 1
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From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 11:32:49 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:32:49 +0100
Subject: Incorrect user name popping up in Firefox every time at a
	specific page.
In-Reply-To: <c638edc20811210308t1c677d78u2683efc8e3da1fda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c638edc20811210308t1c677d78u2683efc8e3da1fda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811210332q21b95e83w8a459271f0634cc8@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/21 Bas Roufs <basroufs at gmail.com>:
> Dear Everybody
>
> Already for a few years, there is some strange detail which puzzles me in
> the behaviour of Firefox - from whichever OS I use it. In order to make you
> understand the problem, I attached a screen shot to this message: a
> screenshot of the relevant detail of some web mail entry page. On one hand I
> DO manage to change the password (in Dutch: "wachtwoord") whenever necessary
> and to properly store that changed password for every next working session
> at a specific page. On the other hand, I do NOT manage to permanently
> change the user name (in Dutch: gebruikersnaam). Whenever I open that
> specific web mail entry page, I need to manually correct this username,
> because the incorrect username which I typed in by mistake one time, pops up
> every time :-).  Does anybody know a trick to solve this little, nasty
> problem?
>
> Thanks for your answer(s).
>
> Bas.

Go to firefox settings/Security there you have a button "Saved
passwords", press it and remove the passwords for those sites you have
problem with.

/ Jonas



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 11:35:47 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:35:47 +0100
Subject: Dolphin in 8.04 slow
Message-ID: <f495db580811210335n50b3211fy58b4fb47c4415911@mail.gmail.com>

I just installed Dolphin by mistake and at first did not know it (I
should have caugh on by the change in the panel but I was sick.) but
my file browser was really slow so I started looking for what the
problem was as saw that it was dolphin. Normally, I use Konq. My
question is, is this normal or might there be a problem with my
dolphin? I switched back to Konq and everything is back to full speed.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 11:54:29 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:54:29 -0500
Subject: 8.10: Konfused by KDE4
In-Reply-To: <3433702.1tzd5nAZCJ@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <hpkev5-dre.ln1@pepper.local.lan>
	<2118759.zlkKh7MVSI@cedar.serverforest.com>
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	<3433702.1tzd5nAZCJ@cedar.serverforest.com>
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On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> David M wrote:
>
>> Derek Broughton wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.kubuntu
>>  about: Re: 8.10: Konfused by KDE4
>>
>>>> Similarly, I have KNewsTicker in my other panel,
>>>
>>> It should be possible to just stick that somewhere on the desktop.
>>
>> Ah, but I don't want it to be on the desktop (I'm not sure if it even
>> can be). It's precisely because KNewsTicker was the only newsfeed
>> ticker that I ever found that actually did work as a ticker embedded
>> within a panel that I like it! :-) I don't want to have to consciously
>> switch to a different app to scan news headlines, it's the fact that
>> KNewsTicker is just constantly there, slowly and discreetly scrolling
>> along the bottom of my screen that I really like:
>
> Well, I was thinking that you could stick it in a "panel-like" space on
> some edge of the desktop.  I can't even say for certain it would work,
> but so far I've found that any widget I've tried can be either in the
> panel or on the desktop - and some of them aren't even meaningful in the
> panel (I added the "comic strip" to the panel, and couldn't figure out
> what it was supposed to do - then I discovered it had to go on the
> desktop).  I'd have tried the news ticker before suggesting this, except
> that I haven't found one.

Can you add another panel (like you used to be able to do) and put the
ticker there?  That way you won't have a problem with windows covering
it when maximized.

You could put it vertically on the side, the flip your monitor over,
and get some use from those rotate buttons (just kidding).

-- 

--
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 12:09:00 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:09:00 -0500
Subject: Firefox 3.0.4 does not work if istalled with adept
In-Reply-To: <1227255801.19245.1.camel@tai.ji>
References: <200811211017.34961.gkourtev@gmail.com>
	<1227255801.19245.1.camel@tai.ji>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811210409v213cd50t565634b3404b4e96@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Girard Henri <girardhenri at free.fr> wrote:
> i have it on jaunty and installed it update it through update-manager
> -d, it works but is very slow !
>
>
> Le vendredi 21 novembre 2008 à 10:17 +0200, Georgi Kourtev a écrit :
>> Friends,
>>
>> I've got interesting issues related to Firefox web browser. If I got
>> it installed through adept, it does not work at all. When launched,
>> the firefox process gets into the process list, but the program does
>> not work.
>>
>> If I got it downloaded from internet and installed, it works just
>> fine. Any ideas how this can be solved so I ca use adept for
>> installing it and future update?
>>
>> In either cases the version is firefox 3.0.4=

I have 3.0.4 on Ubuntu Intrepid and Kubuntu Hardy.  Both are working
fine.  The Unbuntu Intrepid version is installed and maintained via
apt, but the Kubuntu Hardy version is installed from the Mozilla site
in /opt.  I never install FF from the repos in Kubuntu, because the
dependencies bring in all of this gnome stuff that I don't want in
Kubuntu.  FF then manages its own updates.



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From basroufs at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 12:11:06 2008
From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:11:06 +0100
Subject: SOLVED: Incorrect user name popping up in Firefox every time at a
	specific page.
Message-ID: <c638edc20811210411l73afed9h21285b4b35a631fd@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Jonas


...Go to firefox settings/Security there you have a button "Saved
> passwords", press it and remove the passwords for those sites you have
> problem with....
>


Via EDIT > preferences > tab 'security' I found the 'saved passwords' button
you point at. I removed the problematic page from that list and reset both
the username and password. The problem has been solved in that way. Thank
you very much!

Respectfully Yours,

Bas.






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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 12:20:58 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:20:58 -0500
Subject: VGA mode not supported
In-Reply-To: <gg63de$ecm$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <48047.2864270725$1227236429@news.gmane.org>
	<gg63de$ecm$1@ger.gmane.org>
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Eberhard Roloff <tuxebi at gmx.de> wrote:
> David McGlone wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> With the last couple releases of kubuntu I have not been able to install
>> kubuntu on my desktop using the live CD because when it boots,
>> everything is way  too big for the screen and it's impossible to navigate,
>> so I always use the alternate cd ,which also after installation is HUGE,
>> but I have managed to navigate around enough to enable the restricted
>> drivers for my video card and after a reboot, all is well.
>>
>> Well I just installed 8.10 on my desktop with the alternate cd and low
>> and behold, I can't even get a HUGE desktop, all I get is my monitor
>> complaining VGA mode not supported.
>
> When do you get this message? At the very beginning of booting the PC or
> when X should be started?
>>
>> I have a 17" flat monitor that can do from 640x480 up to 1280x768.
>> my video card is and ATI radeon x300se RV370.
>
> Are you sure? A 4:3 17" TFT should support 1280x1024 imho.

Ah, but he said 1280x768 which suggest wide screen, not 4:3.

I have had the same issues with live CDs (which hate my graphics and
don't read LVs within LVM partitions as far as I know).

I also had similar graphis problems with Intrepid on ATI with wide
screen on the 10/31 release date, so I moved that computer to Debian
Lenny for now.  I was thinking of retrying Intrepid today to see if
those and other (invisible mouse) issues were fixed.

Anybody else with the invisible mouse problem have any luck?



>>
>> I tried booting into safe mode and that doesn't work like it used to in
>> previous releases where a desktop would come up. I even tried dpkg-
>> reconfigure xserver-xorg and it doesn't let the xserver be configured
>> anymore, just the keyboard.
>>
>> What should I do?

I had the same issues with dpkg-reconfigure which always used to fix
things, but didn't this time, as well.



>
> maybe start with "sudo lspci |grep VGA", thus letting us know about your
> graphics board?




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From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 21 03:16:04 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:16:04 -0400
Subject: Kudos for Konqueror
Message-ID: <2416983.Mh18xqBGyX@cedar.serverforest.com>

Nice review here: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7186/

I'm not entirely sure I agree with some of the points (somebody said 
Konqueror in 4.x is using WebKit - I didn't think it was, and it 
certainly isn't any better at flash than it used to be), and the author 
doesn't actually show the latest version, but I like it!
-- 
derek




From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net  Fri Nov 21 13:16:08 2008
From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:16:08 -0800
Subject: Firefox 3.0.4 does not work if istalled with adept
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811210409v213cd50t565634b3404b4e96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811211017.34961.gkourtev@gmail.com>
	<1227255801.19245.1.camel@tai.ji>
	<5a1f6bd00811210409v213cd50t565634b3404b4e96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811210516.08404.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>

On Friday 21 November 2008 04:09:00 am Art Alexion wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Girard Henri <girardhenri at free.fr> wrote:
> > i have it on jaunty and installed it update it through update-manager
> > -d, it works but is very slow !
> >
> > Le vendredi 21 novembre 2008 à 10:17 +0200, Georgi Kourtev a écrit :
> >> Friends,
> >>
> >> I've got interesting issues related to Firefox web browser. If I got
> >> it installed through adept, it does not work at all. When launched,
> >> the firefox process gets into the process list, but the program does
> >> not work.
> >>
> >> If I got it downloaded from internet and installed, it works just
> >> fine. Any ideas how this can be solved so I ca use adept for
> >> installing it and future update?
> >>
> >> In either cases the version is firefox 3.0.4=
>
> I have 3.0.4 on Ubuntu Intrepid and Kubuntu Hardy.  Both are working
> fine.  The Unbuntu Intrepid version is installed and maintained via
> apt, but the Kubuntu Hardy version is installed from the Mozilla site
> in /opt.  I never install FF from the repos in Kubuntu, because the
> dependencies bring in all of this gnome stuff that I don't want in
> Kubuntu.  FF then manages its own updates.
>
>
>
> --
>
> --
> artAlexion
> sent unsigned from webmail interface

Check system settings ==> GTK Styles and Fonts

Try a different style.  The "use my KDE style in GTK applications" and the 
"qt4" style have reported bugs that have caused some to experience some 
Firefox wierdness.


Larry



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 13:57:10 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:57:10 +0000
Subject: was new install 8.04 fail on boot
Message-ID: <200811211357.11191.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

I cannot access the original mail or replies, lost them and 
the install. First I then tried the fsck /dev/sda6 but that 
was obviously going to take an age and I didn't want to sit 
at the machine typing enter enter enter for 3 questions 
that kept coming up to ignore and fix errors. I thought if 
the drive is that badly screwed, no sense in trying to fix 
it. So I tried to do a backup of this partition but K3B 
just blows away DVD's like there's no tomorrow. So I went 
to do the fsck, had a look at the options and used the -cy 
options, but that was going to take forever too so 
interrupted it and completely messed up kde.

So then I decided I'd install 7.10 on that drive (hda), copy 
my existing data from hdb that I'm using now and make sure 
it is all working ok. Then I could sort out the problems 
with this drive hdb, i.e. partitions not in disk order and 
install 8.04 on here, but when I tried to update 7.10 on 
hda with all the updates, adept said something (ubuntu 
modules) was broken and could'nt commit changes.

So I'm sitting here giggling like a two year old, drooling 
into my lap and blowing bubbles with my saliva!

AFAICT, all the drive problems started when I tried a couple 
of flavours of BSD, that *is* the reason the partitions are 
out of order on my hdb drive and I'm fairly certain it 
screwed the hda drive too. Whether the hda drive is 
permanently screwed or not I don't know.

I do not have up to date backups of my most recent data, but 
it is not life or death if I lose anything, just damned 
annoying.

So I'm going to try setting hda just as a temporary 
partition that I can access from hdb, copy my home data to 
it and then reformat hdb and install 8.04 as 7.10 seems to 
be broken and won't commit any changes because of this 
broken package, unless someone has a better idea or can 
lend me a gun. ;)

Right now I'm going to walk slowly into town and back, 
slowly cos I have arthritis, and breath some cold fresh air 
before I do anything else.

nepal.



From gloonie at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 21 14:02:06 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:02:06 -0500
Subject: Keyboard problem in 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811201634.09031.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811201552.44233.gloonie@earthlink.net>
	<200811201634.09031.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <200811210902.06918.gloonie@earthlink.net>


-- 
Glenn R Williams
----------------
Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas
	-- Atasöz

On Thursday 20 November 2008 16:34:08 Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Thursday 20 November 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote:
> > Go into system-settings --> regional & language -> keyboard layout.
> >
> > Do you have "Enable keyboard layouts: selected? If so, which ones? If
> > not, check in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and let us know what it thinks you have
> > under
> >
> > Section "InputDevice"
>
> Did that...  no change.  Layouts weren't on but in that case I think it
> takes a generic US layout.  The selected layout was US  and a 104 keybd. 
> Just what I would expect.
>
> The xorg.conf says its a 105 kybd which is the same as my Hardy xorg.  In
> fact I copied over the Hardy xorg file and that didn't change anything
> either.
>
> The left cursor key works everywhere but within X-server.   Both KDE3 and
> KDE4 fail...  which makes me think its a bug in the X-server.  (on two
> different machines)
>
> Point in fact, I have a fresh install on my main machine with hardly any
> changes.  That is, I installed it, found the problem still exists, and I
> haven't done much else with it.   So that's two machines,  KDE3 and KDE4
> under 8.10, all fresh installs.   Something is rotten.
>
> I just blew away my .kde directory and .kderc  and let them get rebuilt....
> and no change...
>
> Beats the heck outta me........

Bruce - did you ever figure out what was wrong?

Glenn



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 14:06:29 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:06:29 -0500
Subject: Cell phone as modem
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811210606m4f0413ao42cb31de5e73c4d5@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to try using my Palm Centro (EVDO) as a modem for
internet access on my netbook when I am not near WiFi or a wired
connection?  Has anyone succeeded in this with Kubuntu?

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From tuxebi at gmx.de  Fri Nov 21 14:40:04 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:40:04 +0100
Subject: was new install 8.04 fail on boot
In-Reply-To: <200811211357.11191.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211357.11191.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <gg6h84$v8g$1@ger.gmane.org>

nepal google wrote:
> I cannot access the original mail or replies, lost them and 
> the install. First I then tried the fsck /dev/sda6 but that 
> was obviously going to take an age and I didn't want to sit 
> at the machine typing enter enter enter for 3 questions 
> that kept coming up to ignore and fix errors. I thought if 
> the drive is that badly screwed, no sense in trying to fix 
> it. 

This could possibly have been a bad mistake.

First of all, if you do not like manpages fsck --help is your friend. 
The very first option that you get (-p) is used for "automatic repair, 
no questions"

Secondly I had great success in fixing Windows and Unix filesystems 
doing just this.

Admittely it also failed once (on a screwed Ubuntu filesystem, by the 
way ;-). But my balance of success and failure tells me, that it mostly 
works.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 14:59:49 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:59:49 +0000
Subject: was new install 8.04 fail on boot
In-Reply-To: <gg6h84$v8g$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <200811211357.11191.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<gg6h84$v8g$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811211459.49536.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> First of all, if you do not like manpages fsck --help is
> your friend. The very first option that you get (-p) is
> used for "automatic repair, no questions"

I did use fsck --help that is how I found the other options.

The automatic file checking when failed said IIUC not to use 
the -p option for the manual check, but regardless it is 
done now. The crunch was I am not prepared to sit at a 
machine typing enter enter enter for hours.

nepal.



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 21 15:08:19 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:08:19 -0400
Subject: was new install 8.04 fail on boot
References: <200811211357.11191.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<gg6h84$v8g$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811211459.49536.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <11810103.qe2JydKRBU@cedar.serverforest.com>

nepal google wrote:

> On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> First of all, if you do not like manpages fsck --help is
>> your friend. The very first option that you get (-p) is
>> used for "automatic repair, no questions"
> 
> I did use fsck --help that is how I found the other options.
> 
> The automatic file checking when failed said IIUC not to use
> the -p option for the manual check, but regardless it is
> done now. 

I believe you're right - though it's a while since I've seen the 
message.   The problem is -p _doesn't_ fix all errors, and it should have 
been done already, so you still need to run "fsck" without -p (and -a 
isn't doing anything - it's a synonym for -p).

> The crunch was I am not prepared to sit at a
> machine typing enter enter enter for hours.

Your loss if the filesystem is seriously damaged.
-- 
derek




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Fri Nov 21 16:09:17 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:09:17 -0500
Subject: Keyboard problem in 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811210902.06918.gloonie@earthlink.net>
References: <200811191426.41366.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811201634.09031.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811210902.06918.gloonie@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200811211109.17959.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Friday 21 November 2008, Glenn R Williams wrote:
> > I just blew away my .kde directory and .kderc  and let them get
> > rebuilt.... and no change...
> >
> > Beats the heck outta me........
>
> Bruce - did you ever figure out what was wrong?

Haven't yet.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:23:06 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:23:06 +0000
Subject: was new install 8.04 fail on boot
In-Reply-To: <11810103.qe2JydKRBU@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811211357.11191.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811211459.49536.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<11810103.qe2JydKRBU@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <200811211623.06864.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Your loss if the filesystem is seriously damaged.
> --
> derek

Do you mind explaining why?

nepal.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:30:56 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:30:56 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
Message-ID: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

I have a 40gb hda drive that I want to completely erase and 
try to re-use following the problems I've had and reported 
to the list.

The snag is that the swap drive is on that drive, not on the 
hdb that I am using presently.

Seems like a catch 22. I know I messed things up before 
trying to overcome this. Can anyone help. I need to be able 
to create a new swap while I am using a system that uses 
the swap, is that possible? or is there a way to do this 
without losing my Kubuntu 7.10 installation?

eek!

nepal.



From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:41:43 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:41:43 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>

Nepal,

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:30 PM, nepal google
<nepal.roade at googlemail.com> wrote:
> I have a 40gb hda drive that I want to completely erase and
> try to re-use following the problems I've had and reported
> to the list.
If you are destroying the disk, use DBAN or similar.

> The snag is that the swap drive is on that drive, not on the
> hdb that I am using presently.

Here's a method:
My dinky server has 2GB RAM and 3GBish Swap.

root at jupiter:~# free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:       1997928    1953024      44904          0      10476    1371172
-/+ buffers/cache:     571376    1426552
Swap:      3229024        880    3228144


First, create a swapfile (like goode olde Windows):

root at jupiter:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=1024
1024+0 records in
1024+0 records out
1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 18.7898 s, 57.1 MB/s

Which will create a 1GB file.

Create a swapfile on this file:
root at jupiter:~# mkswap /swapfile
Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1073737 kB
no label, UUID=ff64d8bd-b03a-4a12-a4ea-3e9e0ea19aea

Brilliant. Turn on the swapfile:
root at jupiter:~# swapon /swapfile
root at jupiter:~# swapon -s
Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
/dev/sdb5                               partition       3229024 880     -1
/swapfile                               file            1048568 0       -2

As you can see, now I have two swap areas.
Now turn off the old swap partition

root at jupiter:~# swapoff /dev/sdb5
root at jupiter:~# swapon -s
Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
/swapfile                               file            1048568 0       -2

root at jupiter:~# free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:       1997928    1967508      30420          0       8936    1365880
-/+ buffers/cache:     592692    1405236
Swap:      1048568          0    1048568

Make sure that you remove this partition out of the /etc/fstab.

Now you no longer use that swap partition. Now I can delete that disk,
if I wanted

If you have enough RAM, you can use the system w/o a swap space. As
you might have noticed, I am hardly using anything on this server and
there was nothing that was swapped out.

When you have two swap partitions and have swapped out, turning one of
them off is harmless. If necessary the second swapfile will be used.

-- 
Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org



From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:43:23 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:43:23 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ceb75a570811210843u278911f9n219af37ac25d1def@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Hakan Koseoglu
<hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com> wrote:
> root at jupiter:~# swapon /swapfile
> root at jupiter:~# swapon -s
> Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
> /dev/sdb5                               partition       3229024 880     -1
> /swapfile                               file            1048568 0       -2

Oh I forgot, if you are going to reboot, make sure that the new
swapfile is in the /etc/fstab and *after* the mount of that particular
partition. :)

-- 
Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org



From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch  Fri Nov 21 16:44:56 2008
From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:44:56 +0100
Subject: Converting .wmf files to .tiff, .jpeg or the like
In-Reply-To: <ED64C73ADCE8384FA0953FBED6D2CEBC030E75BC@ASEXCH02.ac.ti.ch>
References: <ED64C73ADCE8384FA0953FBED6D2CEBC030E75BC@ASEXCH02.ac.ti.ch>
Message-ID: <4926E588.3080204@bluewin.ch>

Hello.
Is there in Linux any way to convert .wmf (Windows Metafile) image files 
to some more 'universal' (i.e. less MS'y) format like .tiff, .jpeg or 
the like?
Thanks for  helping.
jdh
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From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Fri Nov 21 17:19:05 2008
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:19:05 -0500
Subject: Converting .wmf files to .tiff, .jpeg or the like
In-Reply-To: <4926E588.3080204@bluewin.ch>
References: <ED64C73ADCE8384FA0953FBED6D2CEBC030E75BC@ASEXCH02.ac.ti.ch>
	<4926E588.3080204@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <4926ED89.7070800@gatech.edu>

john d. herron wrote:
> Hello.
> Is there in Linux any way to convert .wmf (Windows Metafile) image files
> to some more 'universal' (i.e. less MS'y) format like .tiff, .jpeg or
> the like?
> Thanks for  helping.
> jdh

I found libwmf-bin, which is packaged in Ubuntu
(http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/libwmf-bin).  It includes a library,
as well as a simple front-end, wmf2svg.

You can use it like:

wmf2svg file.wmf -o file.svg

or if you prefer, you can open WMF files in Inkscape.

If you just want to convert it directly to a bitmap format like PNG, try:

convert file.wmf file.png

to use the ImageMagick convert program.

Matt Flaschen



From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk  Fri Nov 21 17:19:31 2008
From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:19:31 +0000
Subject: Converting .wmf files to .tiff, .jpeg or the like
In-Reply-To: <4926E588.3080204@bluewin.ch>
References: <ED64C73ADCE8384FA0953FBED6D2CEBC030E75BC@ASEXCH02.ac.ti.ch>
	<4926E588.3080204@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <4926EDA3.8040809@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk>

Hi,

john d. herron wrote:
> Hello.
> Is there in Linux any way to convert .wmf (Windows Metafile) image files 
> to some more 'universal' (i.e. less MS'y) format like .tiff, .jpeg or 
> the like?

I just use the 'convert' utility whenever I need to convert and image. 
It is a command line tool part of the ImageMagick package.

I don't though have a .wmf file to hand, so I don't know if it knows 
about this particular format. It knows about many others.

If it works, it would be just

  > convert XXX.wmf XXX.jpg

or whatever file format you want. See

  > convert --help
  > man convert

for (extensive) information.

Chris



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 17:53:51 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:53:51 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211753.51558.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> > I have a 40gb hda drive that I want to completely erase
> > and try to re-use following the problems I've had and
> > reported to the list.
>
> If you are destroying the disk, use DBAN or similar.

Not destroying, I would like to be able to reuse it, but 
would like to clear everything off, and even check to see 
if it is still useable. 

This is so embedded in my brain! years ago with dos I would 
have typed in g=c800:5 which would have run a low level 
format from the disk bios itself and checked for bad 
sectors and marked them. Something like that. Is that what 
dban does, or does it just erase at a low level so no data 
can be retrieved? It is not data security I am concerned 
with, just reusing the disk if it is still operable, if all 
the errors are because it is quietly crumbling apart I 
would like to know and then dump it.

nepal.



From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:05:51 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:05:51 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <200811211753.51558.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811211753.51558.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4926F87F.8020800@gmail.com>

Hi Nepal,
nepal google said the following on 21/11/08 17:53:
> This is so embedded in my brain! years ago with dos I would 
> have typed in g=c800:5 which would have run a low level 
> format from the disk bios itself and checked for bad 
> sectors and marked them. Something like that. Is that what 
> dban does, or does it just erase at a low level so no data 
> can be retrieved? It is not data security I am concerned 
> with, just reusing the disk if it is still operable, if all 
> the errors are because it is quietly crumbling apart I 
> would like to know and then dump it.

Mkfs.ext3 can do such checks with the parameter -c. If you specify this twice, it will do a read/write test (will take longer).

If you don't want to create a file system, you can always use badblocks directly. See the details of possible parameters in the man page.

I always find it easier with mkfs.ext3, I suppose it is just something I got used to since I tend to create filesystems this method all the time.





From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu  Fri Nov 21 18:07:26 2008
From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:07:26 -0500
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <200811211753.51558.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811211753.51558.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4926F8DE.4030106@gatech.edu>

nepal google wrote:
> On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
>>> I have a 40gb hda drive that I want to completely erase
>>> and try to re-use following the problems I've had and
>>> reported to the list.
>> If you are destroying the disk, use DBAN or similar.
> 
> Not destroying, I would like to be able to reuse it, but 
> would like to clear everything off, and even check to see 
> if it is still useable. 
> 
> This is so embedded in my brain! years ago with dos I would 
> have typed in g=c800:5 which would have run a low level 
> format from the disk bios itself and checked for bad 
> sectors and marked them. Something like that. Is that what 
> dban does, or does it just erase at a low level so no data 
> can be retrieved?

dban is about disk security.  Erasing and making it difficult to
recover.  As for the bad sector issue, my understanding (could be wrong
about this) is that modern drives automatically drop bad sectors after
repeated failures.

That said, you could look at
http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/BadBlockHowTo.txt

Matt Flaschen



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:07:37 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:07:37 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211807.37907.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> root at jupiter:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M
> count=1024 1024+0 records in
> 1024+0 records out
> 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 18.7898 s, 57.1 MB/s
>
> Which will create a 1GB file.

my free shows this;
nepal at kub:~$ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:        515844     492236      23608          0      10280     349036
-/+ buffers/cache:     132920     382924
Swap:            0          0          0


I understand using dd as above, but does this way use 
1gb of my root partition?

the reason I ask is that the partitions on this drive are 
not in disk order and although I have about 40gb of 
unused space, I'm afraid of screwing up their references 
by adding another partition, but ideally I would prefer to 
have it that way. Sorry for my dumbness on this.

nepal.



From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:16:29 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:16:29 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <200811211807.37907.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811211807.37907.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4926FAFD.1000306@gmail.com>

nepal google said the following on 21/11/08 18:07:

Right now you don't have any swap partition in use. You can repartition your disk as you like w/o any harm albeit you are a bit low on memory. I advise you to create a swapfile somewhere.

Some people might say "swap files are slow". They aren't for a while but using swap partitions is always tidier.

> I understand using dd as above, but does this way use 
> 1gb of my root partition?
Yes. Once you are finished and have your swap partition back you can delete this file (after issuing swapoff against it).
If you have an other partition with more free space (a home partition for example) you can use that.
Simply any reasonably fast file system will do (so don't do it against a USB disk! :) )

> the reason I ask is that the partitions on this drive are 
> not in disk order and although I have about 40gb of 
> unused space, I'm afraid of screwing up their references 
> by adding another partition, but ideally I would prefer to 
> have it that way. Sorry for my dumbness on this.
If you have free space in your extended partition, you can create a swap partition there.
About partitions not being in order - there isn't such thing. :) I've created systems in all sorts of orders (albeit some sections of disks are faster than others and this can be taken into consideration in high performance configurations - not a case here).

As long as your systems use the UUIDs for mounting, you can't go wrong - at worst your Grub might get confused which is easy to fix. (I am still bewildered with the idea of such a complicated and featurefull load manager - what was wrong with Lilo! :) )




From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:19:35 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:19:35 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <4926F8DE.4030106@gatech.edu>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>	<200811211753.51558.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<4926F8DE.4030106@gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <4926FBB7.3030400@gmail.com>

Hi Matt,

Matthew Flaschen said the following on 21/11/08 18:07:

> dban is about disk security.  Erasing and making it difficult to
> recover.  As for the bad sector issue, my understanding (could be wrong
> about this) is that modern drives automatically drop bad sectors after
> repeated failures.
Dban does bad disk check as well but as you've said it's more about security.
About modern disk drives - I still have occasional hard disk causing bad block issues. To be fair, when that happens usually the disk is on its way out and they don't last much long after such errors.
Turning S.M.A.R.T on is always a smart idea.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:34:04 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:34:04 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211834.04608.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> Brilliant. Turn on the swapfile:
> root at jupiter:~# swapon /swapfile
> root at jupiter:~# swapon -s
> Filename                                Type          
>  Size    Used    Priority /dev/sdb5                      
>         partition       3229024 880     -1 /swapfile    
>                           file            1048568 0      
> -2
>
> As you can see, now I have two swap areas.
> Now turn off the old swap partition

I've done up to this step correctly, but swapon -s only 
shows the swapfile I've just created. Does that mean 
this system has not been using a swapfile?

nepal at kub:~$ sudo swapon -s
Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
/swapfile                               file            1048568 0       -1

free now shows this 

nepal at kub:~$ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:        515844     509880       5964          0       5520     353952
-/+ buffers/cache:     150408     365436
Swap:      1048568        244    1048324

as the original figures for Swap were 0 does that mean I had no swap?

and can I safely delete the old swap partition now?

mucho mucho thanks for your help here. :)

nepal.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:38:32 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:38:32 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211838.32255.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> Make sure that you remove this partition out of the
> /etc/fstab.

this is the current contents of /etc/fstab


# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
# /dev/hdb1
UUID=11bcbca2-da73-439c-b9e2-3c09a50b6675 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
# /dev/hdb5
UUID=bf7fb3da-dd62-4f4d-8af1-e025a40a7e84 /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
# /dev/hda6
#UUID=f74aeb66-da84-4a66-99f3-9b5ef78a9951 /media/hda6     ext3    defaults        0       2
# /dev/hda5
UUID=7cf78f1c-76a3-40c8-bdff-7c8b4570b8d0 none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       0
/dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       0
/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto,exec 0       0




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Nov 21 18:40:44 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:40:44 -0500
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <4926F8DE.4030106@gatech.edu>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811211753.51558.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<4926F8DE.4030106@gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <200811211340.44943.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Friday 21 November 2008, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
>nepal google wrote:
>> On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
>>>> I have a 40gb hda drive that I want to completely erase
>>>> and try to re-use following the problems I've had and
>>>> reported to the list.
>>>
>>> If you are destroying the disk, use DBAN or similar.
>>
>> Not destroying, I would like to be able to reuse it, but
>> would like to clear everything off, and even check to see
>> if it is still useable.
>>
>> This is so embedded in my brain! years ago with dos I would
>> have typed in g=c800:5 which would have run a low level
>> format from the disk bios itself and checked for bad
>> sectors and marked them. Something like that. Is that what
>> dban does, or does it just erase at a low level so no data
>> can be retrieved?
>
>dban is about disk security.  Erasing and making it difficult to
>recover.  As for the bad sector issue, my understanding (could be wrong
>about this) is that modern drives automatically drop bad sectors after
>repeated failures.

Tell that to a Maxtor 500Gb I just pulled out, 121 bad sectors, none 
re-allocated.  Buggy drive firmware IMNSHO.

>That said, you could look at
>http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/BadBlockHowTo.txt
>
>Matt Flaschen



-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Good night to spend with family, but avoid arguments with your mate's
new lover.



From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:53:47 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:53:47 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <200811211834.04608.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811211834.04608.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <492703BB.7020608@gmail.com>

nepal google wrote:
> nepal at kub:~$ sudo swapon -s
> Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
> /swapfile                               file            1048568 0       -1
That's good, you have some swap space now.

> as the original figures for Swap were 0 does that mean I had no swap?
Yup.

> and can I safely delete the old swap partition now?
Definitely.

Now add the following to the /etc/fstab as the last line and you're ready for a reboot:
/swapfile none            swap    sw              0       0






From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:55:57 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:55:57 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <200811211838.32255.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811211838.32255.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211855.57430.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, nepal google wrote:
> UUID=7cf78f1c-76a3-40c8-bdff-7c8b4570b8d0 none          
>  swap    sw              0       0

I changed the UUID to the new number when creating the new swap.
is that correct?

nepal.



From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 18:58:11 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:58:11 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <200811211838.32255.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811211838.32255.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <492704C3.6000803@gmail.com>

Hi Nepal,

nepal google wrote:

Since your machine didn't have any swap when you sent your last mail, this is interesting, this line from your /etc/fstab points to your swap partition:
> UUID=7cf78f1c-76a3-40c8-bdff-7c8b4570b8d0 none            swap    sw              0       0
Something had gone wrong with that disk and this UUID couldn't be found and was not enabled.
Now, this might not be important - all it means is it wasn't loaded up  and you weren't using it to start with. 



From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 19:06:11 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:06:11 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <200811211855.57430.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>	<200811211838.32255.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811211855.57430.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <492706A3.7040808@gmail.com>

nepal google wrote:
>> UUID=7cf78f1c-76a3-40c8-bdff-7c8b4570b8d0 none          
>>  swap    sw              0       0
> 
> I changed the UUID to the new number when creating the new swap.
> is that correct?
I don't think that would work since even with the UUID the system wouldn't know where to look at. The UUIDs are great when they are a part of the partition/file system where the  other software know where to look at. If I'm correct, the UUIDs are read from the fs and then found in /etc/fstab to see where they are going. This won't work if the target is a file or a loop device.

If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me. :)




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 19:07:07 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:07:07 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <492704C3.6000803@gmail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811211838.32255.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492704C3.6000803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211907.07254.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> Hi Nepal,
>
> nepal google wrote:
>
> Since your machine didn't have any swap when you sent your 
last mail, this is interesting, this line from 
your /etc/fstab points to your swap partition:
> > UUID=7cf78f1c-76a3-40c8-bdff-7c8b4570b8d0 none         
> >   swap    sw              0       0
>
> Something had gone wrong with that disk and this UUID
> couldn't be found and was not enabled. Now, this might
> not be important - all it means is it wasn't loaded up 
> and you weren't using it to start with.

ok, I understand that, thanks.

nepal.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 19:10:30 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal google)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:10:30 +0000
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <492706A3.7040808@gmail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811211855.57430.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492706A3.7040808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211910.30133.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> nepal google wrote:
> >> UUID=7cf78f1c-76a3-40c8-bdff-7c8b4570b8d0 none
> >>  swap    sw              0       0
> >
> > I changed the UUID to the new number when creating the
> > new swap. is that correct?
>
> I don't think that would work since even with the UUID
> the system wouldn't know where to look at. The UUIDs are
> great when they are a part of the partition/file system
> where the  other software know where to look at. If I'm
> correct, the UUIDs are read from the fs and then found in
> /etc/fstab to see where they are going. This won't work
> if the target is a file or a loop device.
>
> If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me. :)

ok, so I change the line as you suggest in your other mail, 
these darned crossed mails eh?

I will change the fstab line as you suggest to swapfile 
none. then wait for you to confirm before I reboot.

I really appreciate your time and attention helping me with 
this.

nepal.



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Fri Nov 21 19:13:05 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:13:05 +0100
Subject: was new install 8.04 fail on boot
In-Reply-To: <11810103.qe2JydKRBU@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <200811211357.11191.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<gg6h84$v8g$1@ger.gmane.org>	<200811211459.49536.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<11810103.qe2JydKRBU@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <gg7181$p85$1@ger.gmane.org>

Derek Broughton wrote:
> nepal google wrote:
> 
>> On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>> First of all, if you do not like manpages fsck --help is
>>> your friend. The very first option that you get (-p) is
>>> used for "automatic repair, no questions"
>> I did use fsck --help that is how I found the other options.
>>
>> The automatic file checking when failed said IIUC not to use
>> the -p option for the manual check, but regardless it is
>> done now. 
> 
> I believe you're right - though it's a while since I've seen the 
> message.   The problem is -p _doesn't_ fix all errors, and it should have 
> been done already, so you still need to run "fsck" without -p (and -a 
> isn't doing anything - it's a synonym for -p).

Now that you mention it, I think I remember -y wihich works to say yes 
to all questions, instead of enter;enter;enter;enter
> 
>> The crunch was I am not prepared to sit at a
>> machine typing enter enter enter for hours.
> 
> Your loss if the filesystem is seriously damaged.
indeed. It's about valueing time spent against data (most likely) 
salvaged. ;-)

Eberhard




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 19:33:48 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:33:48 +0000
Subject: how to reinstall grub
Message-ID: <200811211933.48216.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

My next task is to install grub again. 
As my hd0 is the drive I have had problems with, is it best 
to install grub to the boot sector of my second drive, and 
would I refer to it as hd1?

i.e. grub-install hd1.

should I run --recheck as an option.

I can set the second drive to be checked first in the boot 
sequence within the bios until I have the problems with hd0 
sorted out. Is this the best way for now?

nepal.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 21 19:36:05 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:36:05 +0000
Subject: was new install 8.04 fail on boot
In-Reply-To: <200811211623.06864.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211357.11191.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<11810103.qe2JydKRBU@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811211623.06864.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211936.06013.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, nepal google wrote:
> On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> > Your loss if the filesystem is seriously damaged.
> > --
> > derek
>
> Do you mind explaining why?
>
> nepal.

I understand now from Eberhard's reply.

I had nothing really bad to lose from that drive, I had only 
just swapped over to it and using 8.04 a couple of days ago 
and I did think it was a balance between convenience and 
data loss. But thanks for the heads up.

nepal.



From d.mcglone at att.net  Fri Nov 21 20:03:20 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:03:20 -0500
Subject: linking folders
Message-ID: <200811211503.21076.d.mcglone@att.net>

Hi All,

I'm trying to achieve something that I don't think ln will help me achieve.

I have a separate partition that I save all my files on and on this partition 
I have folders for music, movies, etc, etc.

What I would like to do is, have folders in home that I can use as if they 
were in my /home.

I set up symlinks to show the contents of the other drive in folders in /home, 
but if I write to them, the folders on the extra partition do not update.

I'm wondering if it's possible to achieve this on a folder by folder basis, 
instead of having to mount the whole partition on my /home and without having 
to make the folders on the separate partition network folders and mounting 
them with samba.

Thanks,
-- 
David M.



From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 20:30:22 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:30:22 +0100
Subject: linking folders
In-Reply-To: <200811211503.21076.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811211503.21076.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811211230t5c9b5c5ah6484f0d7184ba694@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/21 David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net>:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm trying to achieve something that I don't think ln will help me achieve.
>
> I have a separate partition that I save all my files on and on this partition
> I have folders for music, movies, etc, etc.
>
> What I would like to do is, have folders in home that I can use as if they
> were in my /home.
>
> I set up symlinks to show the contents of the other drive in folders in /home,
> but if I write to them, the folders on the extra partition do not update.
>
> I'm wondering if it's possible to achieve this on a folder by folder basis,
> instead of having to mount the whole partition on my /home and without having
> to make the folders on the separate partition network folders and mounting
> them with samba.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> David M.
>

Symlink folders is no problem, i have a similar setup as you with
another drive with my data on. Why it wont work for yo i don't know.
Maka sure you have permission to the folders, check how and that the
drive is mounted.

/ Jonas



From d.mcglone at att.net  Fri Nov 21 20:59:08 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:59:08 -0500
Subject: linking folders
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811211230t5c9b5c5ah6484f0d7184ba694@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811211503.21076.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<b8d784880811211230t5c9b5c5ah6484f0d7184ba694@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211559.08669.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Friday 21 November 2008 15:30:22 Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/21 David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net>:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm trying to achieve something that I don't think ln will help me
> > achieve.
> >
> > I have a separate partition that I save all my files on and on this
> > partition I have folders for music, movies, etc, etc.
> >
> > What I would like to do is, have folders in home that I can use as if
> > they were in my /home.
> >
> > I set up symlinks to show the contents of the other drive in folders in
> > /home, but if I write to them, the folders on the extra partition do not
> > update.
> >
> > I'm wondering if it's possible to achieve this on a folder by folder
> > basis, instead of having to mount the whole partition on my /home and
> > without having to make the folders on the separate partition network
> > folders and mounting them with samba.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > David M.
>
> Symlink folders is no problem, i have a similar setup as you with
> another drive with my data on. Why it wont work for yo i don't know.
> Maka sure you have permission to the folders, check how and that the
> drive is mounted.

Thanks Jonas. I was using my ln command wrong. I was symlinking the files 
instead of the actual folders.

-- 
David M.



From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Fri Nov 21 22:46:30 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:46:30 -0500
Subject: how to reinstall grub
In-Reply-To: <200811211933.48216.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211933.48216.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211746.30352.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Friday 21 November 2008 14:33:48 nepal wrote:
> My next task is to install grub again. 
> As my hd0 is the drive I have had problems with, is it best 
> to install grub to the boot sector of my second drive, and 
> would I refer to it as hd1?
> 
> i.e. grub-install hd1.
> 
> should I run --recheck as an option.
> 
> I can set the second drive to be checked first in the boot 
> sequence within the bios until I have the problems with hd0 
> sorted out. Is this the best way for now?
> 
> nepal.
> 

if your hd0 is failing (problems with)
then you should remove the hd0 from your computer.

then the only disk (hd1) will have to be set as the first and only disk (hd0)
with jumpers sometime, without jumpers some other time, depending of your bus and cables.

when your only one good (hd0) disk is in place,
reboot with a ubuntu/kubuntu cdrom, and go to the try ubuntu mode.

then open a konsole, sudo bash, and do the following

sudo bash			# you sudo to a bash prompt
password: xxxjjxhhxh		# you enter the password if needed (not needed on cdrom boot image, 
				# but yes, if done from another bootable disk) (and it is not xxxjjxhhxh the real password, lol)
mkdir /mydisk			# you create a place to mount your system you want to be bootable
mount /dev/sda? /mydisk		# you mount the partition containing a bootable system, in this place 
				# (please replace the sda? by sda[and the real partition number you want]
cd /mydisk			# you are in the partition you want to be bootable
chroot /mydisk			# you change the root directory for all the next commands until you exit
grub-install /dev/sda		# you install grub to the first disk boot sector, and tell it to boot my now root system
exit				# you return to your original root
reboot				# you reboot, (what a surprise!) and remove the cdrom

then, you watch it reboot, and startup again with the system you wanted to be the master one.

(dont forget, this disk may have many systems on it (dual/trial/... boot) but you choosed one to be the master one)

after this, you have one of your partitions who is the master one, 
and can modify the menu.lst at your will, to include other systems to be bootable too)

-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Fri Nov 21 22:47:54 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:47:54 -0500
Subject: how to reinstall grub
In-Reply-To: <200811211933.48216.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211933.48216.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211747.54527.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Friday 21 November 2008 14:33:48 nepal wrote:
> My next task is to install grub again. 
> As my hd0 is the drive I have had problems with, is it best 
> to install grub to the boot sector of my second drive, and 
> would I refer to it as hd1?
> 
> i.e. grub-install hd1.
> 
> should I run --recheck as an option.
> 
> I can set the second drive to be checked first in the boot 
> sequence within the bios until I have the problems with hd0 
> sorted out. Is this the best way for now?
> 
> nepal.
> 

I just forgot to tell you, all this is needed, because
you cant install grub on a failing drive.

you may have failing drives, but it cant be the first.

-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 21 23:20:08 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:20:08 -0500
Subject: Converting .wmf files to .tiff, .jpeg or the like
In-Reply-To: <4926E588.3080204@bluewin.ch>
References: <ED64C73ADCE8384FA0953FBED6D2CEBC030E75BC@ASEXCH02.ac.ti.ch>
	<4926E588.3080204@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <49274228.4010104@sbcglobal.net>

john d. herron wrote:
> Hello.
> Is there in Linux any way to convert .wmf (Windows Metafile) image 
> files to some more 'universal' (i.e. less MS'y) format like .tiff, 
> .jpeg or the like?
> Thanks for helping.
> jdh
> _____________________________________________
> Kubuntu 7.04 - OOffice.org 2.2.0/3.0
> i586 - 512 MB
> *
> P Help protect the environment; print messages only when absolutely 
> necessary!
> * * Aiuta a proteggere l’ambiente; stampa messaggi solo se è veramente 
> necessario!
> *
I Googled this, "How do I convert a wmf to a jpeg in Feisty?", and found 
some.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 21 23:26:13 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:26:13 -0500
Subject: Firefox 3.0.4 does not work if istalled with adept
In-Reply-To: <200811211017.34961.gkourtev@gmail.com>
References: <200811211017.34961.gkourtev@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49274395.6080106@sbcglobal.net>

Georgi Kourtev wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> I've got interesting issues related to Firefox web browser. If I got 
> it installed through adept, it does not work at all. When launched, 
> the firefox process gets into the process list, but the program does 
> not work.
>
> If I got it downloaded from internet and installed, it works just 
> fine. Any ideas how this can be solved so I ca use adept for 
> installing it and future update?
>
> In either cases the version is firefox 3.0.4=
>
> Thanks.
>
> gk
>
What is your operating system, Feisty, Gutsy, Hardy, Intrepid????



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 00:23:51 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:23:51 -0700
Subject: Kde 4.1.3 beside kde 3 on 8.04
In-Reply-To: <200811201525.38647.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811201525.38647.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811211623r77c1e0a1s6d80e53d771f6d37@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:25 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
> I want to install kde 4.1.3 alongside kde 3 on 8.04. Kubuntu's website said to
> check the unsupported updates in adept then click the upgrade button. Does
> this mean the "full upgrade" button or the "version upgrade" button.
>
> either button sounds like it will overwrite my kde3 and I don't want that, All
> I want is the latest release of kde 4. Looking at adept with unsupported
> updates enabled, kdebase-kde4 is still at 4.0.5. I want 4.1.

I can't help with that, but there are instructions for runinng KDE 3.5
and the latest KDE 4 on 8.10 instead.   Instructions are here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695

I've been KDE3 on three 8.10 systems and it works well.  I haven't
tried the KDE4 installs.

Hmm, looks like the KDE3 repository for 8.10 servers are down right
now.  Don't know when they'll be back.  Soon, I hope.

Michael



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 00:49:32 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:49:32 -0700
Subject: By viewing my Disk&File Systems in Hardy,
	can anyone see why one HDD is partially crippled?
In-Reply-To: <4925B761.6080904@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4924DFB7.1010401@sbcglobal.net>
	<9c2aabaf0811201029y17890684t57b08ddb4393e695@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925B761.6080904@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811211649i6b74e903q12e11dbc13fd0c5e@mail.gmail.com>

Steven,

This is perfect.  You are right, the partition is mounted, but owned
by root.  I think you've already been given some instructions about
creating a directory that you own.  If that works for you, look no
further.

Another solution is to add an option in your fstab file that mkes you
the owner of the top level and not just a subdir.

To do this, you'll need to figure out your UID and GID and edit your
/etc/fstab file.

Find your UID and GID:There are many ways to find your User ID and
Group ID.  For instance, kuser can do this easily.  Or, just look in
the file /etc/password and look for you username.  The line will look
something like this:
steven:x:1000:1000:Steven Vollom:/home/steven:/bin/bash
The first number is your UID, the second is your GID.  They are
probably the same, but possibly not.  I'm going to assume below that
the numbers are both 1000.  You should change them accordingly.

Now edit /et:cfstab: sudo kate /etc/fstab
Find the line with hdb5 in it:
   /dev/sdb5 /media/sdb5 ext3 owner,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
and add your UID and GID to it (remember to use the real numbers):
/dev/sdb5 /media/sdb5 ext3
owner,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid,uid-1000,gid=1000 0 0

Now unmount and mount that partition:
  sudo umount /dev/sdb5
  sudo mount /dev/sdb5
and take a look
  ls -ld  /media/sdb5

You should see that you own the directory.

Hope that helps,

Michael


On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Michael Hirsch wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Steven Vollom
>> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> For over a year, the HDD that my current OS is on, has had its larger
>>> partition unusable.  My system is Hardy KDE3.5.10.
>>> The HDD is an 80gb Maxtor.  20gb was partitioned with ext3 and made
>>> primary.  My current version of Hardy in on that partition.  The balance
>>> is 58gb according to Dolphin, and is unusable and empty.  When I click
>>> on the vacant HDD, it says 'Permissin Denied'.  I would like to use the
>>> empty space.
>>>
>>
>> Are you doing this as root, or as a regular user?
> To make the changes you have to be in Administrator Mode, so I suppose
> the answer is Root.
>>  It sounds to me like you don't have the proper permissions, not that the disk is
>> corrupted.
>>
> I just checked and I don't.  It is Root Root.  I can't remember how to
> get to properties in Root to make the change.  Is there a way to get to
> that window in a gui and in root?  Or what would I type into the Shell
> to change permissions.  I live alone; there is never anyone else using
> my computer.  So I prefer having everything controlled by user. Is there
> a way to open Dolphin in Root?  The only way I know to open the
> permissions box is to right-click on the item and choose properties.
> But then I am not in Root to be able to make the changes.
>
>> What are you trying to do with this partition?
> I just want it for storage.
>>   Is it already mounted?
>>
> Yes
>>  I gather it already has data and you are trying to access that data?
>>
> It shouldn't, however, it says there is a little in there.
>> Useful commands to run and post the output are (I'm assuming here that
>> your hard drive is /dev/sda--change as appropriate):
>> cat /etc/fstab
>> mount
>> sudo parted /dev/sda print
>>
>> These will tell us what partitions your system is trying to make
>> avaliable, what partitions it did make available, and what partitions
>> are available.  It's difficult to figure out what is happening without
>> a lot more information.
>>
> steven at Studio25:~$ cat /etc/fstab
> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> #
> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
> # /dev/sdb1
> UUID=2795cc01-0df3-4b4d-b46c-0adf8156e4aa / ext3
> nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1
> # /dev/sda1
> # /dev/sda5
> UUID=bddaaee3-408a-4f69-a9bf-b9c47af61b7e /media/sda5 ext3
> nouser,defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 2
> # /dev/sda7
> UUID=e8dac51b-91a9-43ab-9d75-cb4d6af8efa3 /media/sda7 ext3
> nouser,defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 2
> # /dev/sda8
> UUID=70E9613423CDFF51 /media/sda8 ntfs
> defaults,umask=007,uid=0,gid=46,auto,rw,nouser 0 1
> # /dev/sda6
> UUID=8bb9d04a-5d6e-45bf-9753-cfb6f585b2f3 none swap sw 0 0
> # /dev/sdb2
> UUID=09850bc0-ac07-4f45-bb39-1eba22243e4d none swap sw 0 0
> /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
> /dev/scd1 /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
> /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
> /dev/sdb5 /media/sdb5 ext3 owner,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
> /dev/sda1 /media ext3 owner,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
> steven at Studio25:~$
> steven at Studio25:~$
>
> /dev/sdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)
> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
> devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.24-21-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
> /dev/sda5 on /media/sda5 type ext3 (rw)
> /dev/sda7 on /media/sda7 type ext3 (rw)
> securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc
> (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev           )
> /dev/sdb5 on /media/sdb5 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo parted /dev/sdb5 print
> [sudo] password for steven:
> Sorry, try again.
> [sudo] password for steven:
>
> Disk /dev/sdb5: 58.5GB
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
> Partition Table: loop
>
> Number  Start   End     Size    File system  Flags
>  1      0.00kB  58.5GB  58.5GB  ext3
>
> Information: Don't forget to update /etc/fstab, if necessary.
>
>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>



From d.mcglone at att.net  Sat Nov 22 00:50:52 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:50:52 -0500
Subject: Kde 4.1.3 beside kde 3 on 8.04
In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0811211623r77c1e0a1s6d80e53d771f6d37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811201525.38647.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<9c2aabaf0811211623r77c1e0a1s6d80e53d771f6d37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811211950.52174.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Friday 21 November 2008 7:23:51 pm Michael Hirsch wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:25 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
> > I want to install kde 4.1.3 alongside kde 3 on 8.04. Kubuntu's website
> > said to check the unsupported updates in adept then click the upgrade
> > button. Does this mean the "full upgrade" button or the "version upgrade"
> > button.
> >
> > either button sounds like it will overwrite my kde3 and I don't want
> > that, All I want is the latest release of kde 4. Looking at adept with
> > unsupported updates enabled, kdebase-kde4 is still at 4.0.5. I want 4.1.
>
> I can't help with that, but there are instructions for runinng KDE 3.5
> and the latest KDE 4 on 8.10 instead.   Instructions are here:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695
>
> I've been KDE3 on three 8.10 systems and it works well.  I haven't
> tried the KDE4 installs.
>
> Hmm, looks like the KDE3 repository for 8.10 servers are down right
> now.  Don't know when they'll be back.  Soon, I hope.

So far I've been running 8.10 with kde4 and I have to give it to the 
programmers at KDE They really did a suburb job thus far!!!!!!

Only problem I had was getting my graphics card working after the install. I 
got lucky and was able to push the menu button on my monitor and use "auto" to 
give me a GUI which only showed a little more than half the screen, but it was 
enough to get in and enable the restricted driver for my graphics card and 
reboot.

What I've found that is so cool so far is the alt-tab window switcher. It 
still blows my mind and sometimes I open a bunch of windows just to use it.. 
LOL. I can't wait to use it in front of a windows user, make em all jealous. 
:-) 
-- 
David M.



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 01:10:18 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:10:18 -0500
Subject: Converting .wmf files to .tiff, .jpeg or the like
In-Reply-To: <4926ED89.7070800@gatech.edu>
References: <ED64C73ADCE8384FA0953FBED6D2CEBC030E75BC@ASEXCH02.ac.ti.ch>
	<4926E588.3080204@bluewin.ch> <4926ED89.7070800@gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811211710x16bfb1f5na464c4a1533a9adb@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Matthew Flaschen
<matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu> wrote:
> john d. herron wrote:
>> Hello.
>> Is there in Linux any way to convert .wmf (Windows Metafile) image files
>> to some more 'universal' (i.e. less MS'y) format like .tiff, .jpeg or
>> the like?
>> Thanks for  helping.
>> jdh
>
> I found libwmf-bin, which is packaged in Ubuntu
> (http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/libwmf-bin).  It includes a library,
> as well as a simple front-end, wmf2svg.
>
> You can use it like:
>
> wmf2svg file.wmf -o file.svg
>
> or if you prefer, you can open WMF files in Inkscape.
>
> If you just want to convert it directly to a bitmap format like PNG, try:
>
> convert file.wmf file.png
>
> to use the ImageMagick convert program.

In case you didn't catch Matt's reasoning for converting to SVG, WMF
files are vector based and scale nicely.  To retain that scalability,
convert to SVG (scalable vector graphics), instead of a bitmap format
like JPEG.

One other thing to keep in mind if you are converting for the sake of
converting.  Some conversions involve lossy compression.  That means
every time you save the file, you are sacrificing detail.  Even 85%
JPEG compression discards data, and every time you save you discard
more.  An overly converted or saved JPEG starts to look like a
photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy...




-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 01:16:23 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:16:23 -0500
Subject: Kde 4.1.3 beside kde 3 on 8.04
In-Reply-To: <200811211950.52174.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811201525.38647.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<9c2aabaf0811211623r77c1e0a1s6d80e53d771f6d37@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811211950.52174.d.mcglone@att.net>
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:50 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
> What I've found that is so cool so far is the alt-tab window switcher. It
> still blows my mind and sometimes I open a bunch of windows just to use it..
> LOL. I can't wait to use it in front of a windows user, make em all jealous.
> :-)

Um.... Microsoft implemented alt-tab window switching 16 years ago in
Windows 3.1.  It has worked in every KDE and Gnome version I have ever
used.  IIRC, it also works in Fluxbox, Window Maker and AfterStep.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 21 23:19:52 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:19:52 -0400
Subject: was new install 8.04 fail on boot
References: <200811211357.11191.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<11810103.qe2JydKRBU@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811211623.06864.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811211936.06013.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <8082324.KYfUKTx3J9@cedar.serverforest.com>

nepal wrote:

> On Friday 21 Nov 2008, nepal google wrote:
>> On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> > Your loss if the filesystem is seriously damaged.
>>
>> Do you mind explaining why?
> 
> I understand now from Eberhard's reply.
> 
> I had nothing really bad to lose from that drive, I had only
> just swapped over to it and using 8.04 a couple of days ago
> and I did think it was a balance between convenience and
> data loss. But thanks for the heads up.

I would probably have taken the chance in that case too :-)
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 21 23:24:23 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:24:23 -0400
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811211753.51558.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<4926F8DE.4030106@gatech.edu>
	<200811211340.44943.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1603901.P4yRUTYAXW@cedar.serverforest.com>

Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Friday 21 November 2008, Matthew Flaschen wrote:

>>As for the bad sector issue, my understanding (could be
>>wrong about this) is that modern drives automatically drop bad sectors
>>after repeated failures.
> 
> Tell that to a Maxtor 500Gb I just pulled out, 121 bad sectors, none
> re-allocated.  Buggy drive firmware IMNSHO.

Not at all.   It just means that the drive was out of internal space to 
remap the blocks.
-- 
derek




From news at pointerstop.ca  Fri Nov 21 23:22:25 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:22:25 -0400
Subject: problem cleaning up old drive
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811211753.51558.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<4926F8DE.4030106@gatech.edu> <4926FBB7.3030400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10150975.G3Xs0I0RZC@cedar.serverforest.com>

Hakan Koseoglu wrote:

> Hi Matt,
> 
> Matthew Flaschen said the following on 21/11/08 18:07:
> 
>> dban is about disk security.  Erasing and making it difficult to
>> recover.  As for the bad sector issue, my understanding (could be
>> wrong about this) is that modern drives automatically drop bad
>> sectors after repeated failures.
> Dban does bad disk check as well but as you've said it's more about
> security. About modern disk drives - I still have occasional hard disk
> causing bad block issues. To be fair, when that happens usually the
> disk is on its way out and they don't last much long after such
> errors. 

Precisely - when that happens it means the drive has already used up 
it's entire internal reserve of bad blocks, by which point you can 
reasonably expect it's about to expire.
-- 
derek




From d.mcglone at att.net  Sat Nov 22 02:15:03 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:15:03 -0500
Subject: VGA mode not supported
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811210420s3bae22adv2189ee94847ea68b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48047.2864270725$1227236429@news.gmane.org>
	<gg63de$ecm$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<5a1f6bd00811210420s3bae22adv2189ee94847ea68b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811212115.03701.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Friday 21 November 2008 7:20:58 am Art Alexion wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Eberhard Roloff <tuxebi at gmx.de> 
wrote:
> > David McGlone wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> With the last couple releases of kubuntu I have not been able to 
install
> >> kubuntu on my desktop using the live CD because when it boots,
> >> everything is way  too big for the screen and it's impossible to
> >> navigate, so I always use the alternate cd ,which also after
> >> installation is HUGE, but I have managed to navigate around 
enough to
> >> enable the restricted drivers for my video card and after a reboot, 
all
> >> is well.
> >>
> >> Well I just installed 8.10 on my desktop with the alternate cd and 
low
> >> and behold, I can't even get a HUGE desktop, all I get is my 
monitor
> >> complaining VGA mode not supported.
> >
> > When do you get this message? At the very beginning of booting 
the PC or
> > when X should be started?
> >
> >> I have a 17" flat monitor that can do from 640x480 up to 
1280x768.
> >> my video card is and ATI radeon x300se RV370.
> >
> > Are you sure? A 4:3 17" TFT should support 1280x1024 imho.
>
> Ah, but he said 1280x768 which suggest wide screen, not 4:3.
>
> I have had the same issues with live CDs (which hate my graphics and
> don't read LVs within LVM partitions as far as I know).
>
> I also had similar graphis problems with Intrepid on ATI with wide
> screen on the 10/31 release date, so I moved that computer to Debian
> Lenny for now.  I was thinking of retrying Intrepid today to see if
> those and other (invisible mouse) issues were fixed.
>
> Anybody else with the invisible mouse problem have any luck?
>
> >> I tried booting into safe mode and that doesn't work like it used to 
in
> >> previous releases where a desktop would come up. I even tried 
dpkg-
> >> reconfigure xserver-xorg and it doesn't let the xserver be 
configured
> >> anymore, just the keyboard.
> >>
> >> What should I do?
>
> I had the same issues with dpkg-reconfigure which always used to fix
> things, but didn't this time, as well.
>
> > maybe start with "sudo lspci |grep VGA", thus letting us know about 
your
> > graphics board?

I managed to get a half working X. Enough to enable the restricted 
driver for my graphics card.
-- 
David McG.



From d.mcglone at att.net  Sat Nov 22 02:17:36 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:17:36 -0500
Subject: Kde 4.1.3 beside kde 3 on 8.04
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811211716x61b946b8ob1336e602710408f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811201525.38647.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<200811211950.52174.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<5a1f6bd00811211716x61b946b8ob1336e602710408f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811212117.36950.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Friday 21 November 2008 8:16:23 pm Art Alexion wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:50 PM, David McGlone 
<d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
> > What I've found that is so cool so far is the alt-tab window switcher. 
It
> > still blows my mind and sometimes I open a bunch of windows just 
to use
> > it.. LOL. I can't wait to use it in front of a windows user, make em all
> > jealous.
> >
> > :-)
>
> Um.... Microsoft implemented alt-tab window switching 16 years ago 
in
> Windows 3.1.  It has worked in every KDE and Gnome version I have 
ever
> used.  IIRC, it also works in Fluxbox, Window Maker and AfterStep.

LOL I know that, I'm talking about the cool graphics tricks that it does. 
Have you seen it?

-- 
David McG.



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sat Nov 22 02:18:30 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:18:30 -0400
Subject: linking folders
References: <200811211503.21076.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<b8d784880811211230t5c9b5c5ah6484f0d7184ba694@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811211559.08669.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <3698319.oacc7oOXpZ@cedar.serverforest.com>

David McGlone wrote:

> On Friday 21 November 2008 15:30:22 Jonas Norlander wrote:

>> Symlink folders is no problem, i have a similar setup as you with
>> another drive with my data on. Why it wont work for yo i don't know.
>> Maka sure you have permission to the folders, check how and that the
>> drive is mounted.
> 
> Thanks Jonas. I was using my ln command wrong. I was symlinking the
> files instead of the actual folders.

Other options for what you want are "mount - -bind" and "mount --move", 
though I confess I haven't figured out when I would want to use them :-)
-- 
derek




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 22 02:39:05 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:39:05 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,	trying to learn how to use
	terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811210733.17596.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>	<200811202255.34626.kassube@gmx.net>	<4925E08C.9080705@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811210733.17596.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <492770C9.3010503@sbcglobal.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Nils Kassube wrote:
>>     
>>> Sorry, I have no experience with Gnome - I'm using KDE where the GUI
>>> administration is different (and for many things I prefer the command
>>> line anyway). Therefore I can't tell you how to do it using the GUI
>>> tools.
>>>       
>> I don't use Gnome either, Kubuntu Hardy.
>> Kmenu>SystemSettings>AdvancedTab>Disk&Filesystems
>>     
>
> Well, like I wrote in the other mail, I was a bit confused about the list, 
> so I realised that you aren't using Gnome after I sent that remark. And 
> now I had a look at Disk&Filesystems. It seems to be a tool to 
> maintain the /etc/fstab file, but there is no help available, so I 
> will not play with the settings.
>
>   
>> I just did what you instructed and here is what happened:
>> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
>> [sudo] password for steven:
>> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>
>> What did I just do?
>>     
>
> You did what I wrote in my original mail. First you created a directory 
> with the command "mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER". Only root was allowed to 
> write to the partition, so you needed root privilege. Therefore the 
> command was prepended with "sudo". Then you changed the ownership from 
> root to yourself with the command "chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER". And 
> again, only root was allowed to do that, so the "sudo" command was needed 
> again. Now, if you are really curious about these commands you can have a 
> look at the man pages. Type "man:sudo" in the address bar of Konqueror 
> without quotes and also "man:mkdir" and "man:chown".
>
>   
>> There is a folder 
>> named steven that  can contain data now.
>>     
>
> And if you want to access your new folder more easily you can create a 
> link in your home directory with a command like this:
>
> ln -s /media/sdb5/$USER $HOME/sdb5
>
>
> Nils
>
>   
I wish I didn't have so many things going at once right now.  This is 
what I would like to do, but it takes a lot of concentration for me to 
absorb, and I am distracted by all the other projects.  I think I will 
take one day and relax my brain.  I hope you are around when I get 
back.  I am so tired.  Sleep is not rejuvinating me.




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 02:50:45 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:50:45 +1000
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however, 
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=09trying_to_learn_how_to_use_terminal_to_fix_mount?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?_problem=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <492770C9.3010503@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811210733.17596.kassube@gmx.net>
	<492770C9.3010503@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811221250.45667.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:39:05 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> I wish I didn't have so many things going at once right now.  This is
> what I would like to do, but it takes a lot of concentration for me to
> absorb, and I am distracted by all the other projects.  I think I will
> take one day and relax my brain.  I hope you are around when I get
> back.  I am so tired.  Sleep is not rejuvinating me.

Some days yah just need to take a break, stop obsessing on stuff and let it 
peculate for a bit. Think non computer stuff, works for me when I keep blocking 
:)

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 22 03:08:45 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:08:45 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,   trying to learn how to use
	terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811221250.45667.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>	<200811210733.17596.kassube@gmx.net>	<492770C9.3010503@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811221250.45667.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492777BD.4040101@sbcglobal.net>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:39:05 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I wish I didn't have so many things going at once right now.  This is
>> what I would like to do, but it takes a lot of concentration for me to
>> absorb, and I am distracted by all the other projects.  I think I will
>> take one day and relax my brain.  I hope you are around when I get
>> back.  I am so tired.  Sleep is not rejuvinating me.
>>     
>
> Some days yah just need to take a break, stop obsessing on stuff and let it 
> peculate for a bit. Think non computer stuff, works for me when I keep blocking 
> :)
>
>   
Thanks for the support, friend.
Steven



From mdhirsch at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 04:33:49 2008
From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:33:49 -0700
Subject: Broken Grub
In-Reply-To: <5010b260811210308i534a599ep37010d2272f487eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5010b260811210308i534a599ep37010d2272f487eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0811212033m5808c6c8q27b32a6746b44d85@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:08 AM, David <davidp540 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Assistance please.
> I have the following:
>
> Dual boot with Grub Windows XP and Ubuntu 8.10 (64 bit)
> AMD 64 processor
> two cd roms
> one older SCSI Maxtor 60 gig hard drive mounted as hda formatted win ntfs
> two 80 gig SATA drive one formatted ntfs (hdb) and the other native Linux
> (forget the file name but Linux native) (hdc)
>
> I happily had Ubunto (upgraded) installed and runing fine on the hdc drive
> but as is usual needed to re-install Windows XP.
>
> I did so and lost Grub.
>
> Maybe incorrectly but I booted up the Ubuntu 8.10 on the CD ROM and
> eventually installed a clean copy of 8.10 onto a new partition on hdc.
> But now I've completely lost my orginal perfectly fine (upgraded) install of
> Ubuntu 8.10 with all my docs and add-ons etc!
>
> When I boot into the new 8.10 install I can even see the hdc drive.
>
> How do I get Grub to see my old install (it doesn't list it as an option on
> boot).
> How do I get to mount the drive hdc that I can't even see.

So you'd like to get your old install back.  If I understand
correctly, you now have grub working, but it only knows about your new
ubuntu and your new XP, but not your old Ubuntu.  Also, There is some
confusion with hdc.

Let's start with hdc.  Somehow you can see it cause you can boot the
new Ubuntu, unless I misunderstood you.

My guess is that you don't have hdc anymore because almost all drives
now show up as scsi drives, even if they are IDE.  boot your new
ubuntu and run "mount".  I bet you'll see that you have /dev/sda,
/dev/sdb, and /dev/sdc.  Probably your old /dev/hdc is now /dev/sdc.

Once you find the right device name you should be able to mount that
partition and see that the files are all there.

To get your old installation back you can either use your currently
working grub (in the new Ubuntu) and tell it about the old Ubuntu, or
you can restore the old one.

To add the old Ubuntu to the new grub you just have to add the
corresponding stanza to the /boot/grub/menu.lst file.  It will be just
like the current booting stanza, but with a different partition.
There will be a stanza like
 title kubuntu
 kernel (hd2,3)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 resume=/dev/hdc3
 initrd (hd2,3)/boot/initrd.img

and you should copy it and make it read
 title kubuntu
 kernel (hd2,1)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 resume=/dev/hdc3
 initrd (hd2,1)/boot/initrd.img

Where (hd2.3) means hard drive 2, partition 3 and I've changed it to
hard drive 2 partition 1.  Your actual numbers will differ.

But the better solution is to reinstall grub.  Use grub-install for
this.  You need to know the boot device.  Do you boot from the windows
HD which is probably /dev/sda, or the Ubuntu disk, or I should say
which did you old installation boot to?  I'm guessing that you to boot
from /dev/sda.

What I usually do is boot with your new ubuntu or a boot CD.  Mount
the old ubuntu somewhere--lets say it is /media/hdc1.  Now run "sudo
chroot /mdedia/hdc1 bash"

You will now be in your old ubuntu.  If you run "grub-install
/dev/sda" I think that will install grub on the boot drive, but since
you are chrooted to your old Ubuntu install it will use the menu.lst
from your ubuntu installation.

I think that is right, but whenever this happens to me I spend some
time reading up on grub again, so I can't swear to it.  But something
very like this will work.

Good luck,

Michael



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sat Nov 22 07:21:30 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:21:30 +0000
Subject: how to reinstall grub
In-Reply-To: <200811211746.30352.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <200811211933.48216.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811211746.30352.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <200811220721.31298.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Martin Laberge wrote:
> if your hd0 is failing (problems with)
> then you should remove the hd0 from your computer.

I'm not entirely convinced of this just yet, and removing 
the drive is no small matter for me. I have arthritis and 
getting into my computer box to remove drives and swap 
cables and set jumpers is no small matter. So thanks for 
the instructions, but I'd rather not do this just yet. I 
will keep them for later should it become necessary.

nepal



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 07:56:15 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:56:15 +0200
Subject: Strange updates today
In-Reply-To: <200811171531.26136.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>
References: <880dece00811150401t73baf094xc7b2e46ca87f80f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<6809.81.164.253.13.1226753434.squirrel@webmail.priorweb.be>
	<880dece00811150557l796f5286o9db2c2dfe466d275@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811171531.26136.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>
Message-ID: <880dece00811212356i4b644ca6lb0bceda9947e9614@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/17 Mark Fraser <kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>:
> Just done a rootkit check with rkhunter and it's found a few problems with
> checks on certain files in /bin and /sbin:
>
> [15:26:53] /bin/login                                        [ Warning ]
> [15:26:54] /bin/lsmod                                        [ Warning ]
> [15:26:56] /bin/su                                           [ Warning ]
> [15:27:02] /usr/bin/lastlog                                  [ Warning ]
> [15:27:04] /usr/bin/newgrp                                   [ Warning ]
> [15:27:05] /usr/bin/passwd                                   [ Warning ]
> [15:27:12] /sbin/depmod                                      [ Warning ]
> [15:27:14] /sbin/insmod                                      [ Warning ]
> [15:27:14] /sbin/lsmod                                       [ Warning ]
> [15:27:15] /sbin/modinfo                                     [ Warning ]
> [15:27:15] /sbin/modprobe                                    [ Warning ]
> [15:27:16] /sbin/rmmod                                       [ Warning ]
> [15:27:19] /usr/sbin/groupadd                                [ Warning ]
> [15:27:19] /usr/sbin/groupdel                                [ Warning ]
> [15:27:19] /usr/sbin/groupmod                                [ Warning ]
> [15:27:20] /usr/sbin/grpck                                   [ Warning ]
> [15:27:21] /usr/sbin/nologin                                 [ Warning ]
> [15:27:22] /usr/sbin/pwck                                    [ Warning ]
> [15:27:22] /usr/sbin/useradd                                 [ Warning ]
> [15:27:23] /usr/sbin/userdel                                 [ Warning ]
> [15:27:23] /usr/sbin/usermod                                 [ Warning ]
> [15:27:24] /usr/sbin/vipw                                    [ Warning ]
>
> Saying that the hash has changed. Am I right in thinking these are due to the
> update of the above packages?
>

I really think that you should start a new thread on that subject and
reference this one. You will get a lot more people's attention that
way, and this could be a serious / time-sensitive issue for your
machine.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 08:37:45 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:37:45 +0000
Subject: how to reinstall grub
In-Reply-To: <200811211747.54527.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <200811211933.48216.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811211747.54527.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4927C4D9.9030106@gmail.com>

Hi Martin,
Martin Laberge said the following on 21/11/08 22:47:

> I just forgot to tell you, all this is needed, because
> you cant install grub on a failing drive.
> 
> you may have failing drives, but it cant be the first.
You can always install grub on any drive as long as you can tell the BIOS to boot from that one. I know it's not the usual way its done but it used to be possible unless Grub had changed since last time I tried this.





From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk  Sat Nov 22 08:43:47 2008
From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:43:47 +0000
Subject: Recent updates to passwd and other packages
Message-ID: <200811220843.48192.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>

Following the recent security updates to the passwd and login packages, I got 
a few warnings when running rkhunter:

[15:26:53] /bin/login                                        [ Warning ]
[15:26:54] /bin/lsmod                                        [ Warning ]
[15:26:56] /bin/su                                           [ Warning ]
[15:27:02] /usr/bin/lastlog                                  [ Warning ]
[15:27:04] /usr/bin/newgrp                                   [ Warning ]
[15:27:05] /usr/bin/passwd                                   [ Warning ]
[15:27:12] /sbin/depmod                                      [ Warning ]
[15:27:14] /sbin/insmod                                      [ Warning ]
[15:27:14] /sbin/lsmod                                       [ Warning ]
[15:27:15] /sbin/modinfo                                     [ Warning ]
[15:27:15] /sbin/modprobe                                    [ Warning ]
[15:27:16] /sbin/rmmod                                       [ Warning ]
[15:27:19] /usr/sbin/groupadd                                [ Warning ]
[15:27:19] /usr/sbin/groupdel                                [ Warning ]
[15:27:19] /usr/sbin/groupmod                                [ Warning ]
[15:27:20] /usr/sbin/grpck                                   [ Warning ]
[15:27:21] /usr/sbin/nologin                                 [ Warning ]
[15:27:22] /usr/sbin/pwck                                    [ Warning ]
[15:27:22] /usr/sbin/useradd                                 [ Warning ]
[15:27:23] /usr/sbin/userdel                                 [ Warning ]
[15:27:23] /usr/sbin/usermod                                 [ Warning ]
[15:27:24] /usr/sbin/vipw                                    [ Warning ]

Looking at the file lists for the 2 packages concerned, I see that they 
contain some of the above files. How do I check to see if the warnings can be 
safely ignored or not?

-- 
Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sat Nov 22 09:31:33 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:31:33 +0000
Subject: how to reinstall grub
In-Reply-To: <4927C4D9.9030106@gmail.com>
References: <200811211933.48216.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811211747.54527.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
	<4927C4D9.9030106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811220931.33934.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Saturday 22 Nov 2008, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> You can always install grub on any drive as long as you
> can tell the BIOS to boot from that one. I know it's not
> the usual way its done but it used to be possible unless
> Grub had changed since last time I tried this.

I thought that too and my bios does allow me to choose 
the boot order of the drives and I tried to install grub on 
the second drive using

sudo grub-install --recheck hd1

but it didn't work. When I tried to boot from that drive 
I got an error "File not found."

I checked the grub entry with [e]dit and checked the references 
per the stanza below;

title		Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-15-generic
root		(hd1,0)
kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-15-generic root=UUID=11bcbca2-da73-439c-b9e2-3c09a50b6675 ro quiet splash vga=794
initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-15-generic
quiet

and AFAICT they are all correct, the UUID is correct for hd1.

So I ran grub-install again using hd0 and it works ok.

nepal.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sat Nov 22 09:35:07 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:35:07 +0000
Subject: SOLVED Re: problem cleaning up old drive
In-Reply-To: <ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811211630.56956.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<ceb75a570811210841o3a8e2a65rcdde85bf86a64923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811220935.07962.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

Following Hakan's instructions below worked exactly as he 
said and solved the swap problem. In my case I actually 
wasn't using any swapfile space as that configuration had 
somehow got messed up. The old partitions on hd0 have been 
removed, the computer rebooted and all works well.

nepal.

On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> Nepal,
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:30 PM, nepal google
>
> <nepal.roade at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > I have a 40gb hda drive that I want to completely erase
> > and try to re-use following the problems I've had and
> > reported to the list.
>
> If you are destroying the disk, use DBAN or similar.
>
> > The snag is that the swap drive is on that drive, not
> > on the hdb that I am using presently.
>
> Here's a method:
> My dinky server has 2GB RAM and 3GBish Swap.
>
> root at jupiter:~# free
>              total       used       free     shared   
> buffers     cached Mem:       1997928    1953024     
> 44904          0      10476    1371172 -/+ buffers/cache:
>     571376    1426552
> Swap:      3229024        880    3228144
>
>
> First, create a swapfile (like goode olde Windows):
>
> root at jupiter:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M
> count=1024 1024+0 records in
> 1024+0 records out
> 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 18.7898 s, 57.1 MB/s
>
> Which will create a 1GB file.
>
> Create a swapfile on this file:
> root at jupiter:~# mkswap /swapfile
> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1073737 kB
> no label, UUID=ff64d8bd-b03a-4a12-a4ea-3e9e0ea19aea
>
> Brilliant. Turn on the swapfile:
> root at jupiter:~# swapon /swapfile
> root at jupiter:~# swapon -s
> Filename                                Type           
> Size    Used    Priority /dev/sdb5                       
>        partition       3229024 880     -1 /swapfile      
>                         file            1048568 0      
> -2
>
> As you can see, now I have two swap areas.
> Now turn off the old swap partition
>
> root at jupiter:~# swapoff /dev/sdb5
> root at jupiter:~# swapon -s
> Filename                                Type           
> Size    Used    Priority /swapfile                       
>        file            1048568 0       -2
>
> root at jupiter:~# free
>              total       used       free     shared   
> buffers     cached Mem:       1997928    1967508     
> 30420          0       8936    1365880 -/+ buffers/cache:
>     592692    1405236
> Swap:      1048568          0    1048568
>
> Make sure that you remove this partition out of the
> /etc/fstab.
>
> Now you no longer use that swap partition. Now I can
> delete that disk, if I wanted
>
> If you have enough RAM, you can use the system w/o a swap
> space. As you might have noticed, I am hardly using
> anything on this server and there was nothing that was
> swapped out.
>
> When you have two swap partitions and have swapped out,
> turning one of them off is harmless. If necessary the
> second swapfile will be used.
>
> --
> Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org





From d.mcglone at att.net  Sat Nov 22 11:51:31 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:51:31 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however, 
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=09trying_to_learn_how_to_use_terminal_to_fix_mount?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?_problem=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <492770C9.3010503@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811210733.17596.kassube@gmx.net>
	<492770C9.3010503@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811220651.31613.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Friday 21 November 2008 9:39:05 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
> > Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> Nils Kassube wrote:
> >>> Sorry, I have no experience with Gnome - I'm using KDE where the GUI
> >>> administration is different (and for many things I prefer the command
> >>> line anyway). Therefore I can't tell you how to do it using the GUI
> >>> tools.
> >>
> >> I don't use Gnome either, Kubuntu Hardy.
> >> Kmenu>SystemSettings>AdvancedTab>Disk&Filesystems
> >
> > Well, like I wrote in the other mail, I was a bit confused about the
> > list, so I realised that you aren't using Gnome after I sent that remark.
> > And now I had a look at Disk&Filesystems. It seems to be a tool to
> > maintain the /etc/fstab file, but there is no help available, so I
> > will not play with the settings.
> >
> >> I just did what you instructed and here is what happened:
> >> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
> >> [sudo] password for steven:
> >> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
> >> steven at Studio25:~$
> >>
> >> What did I just do?
> >
> > You did what I wrote in my original mail. First you created a directory
> > with the command "mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER". Only root was allowed to
> > write to the partition, so you needed root privilege. Therefore the
> > command was prepended with "sudo". Then you changed the ownership from
> > root to yourself with the command "chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER". And
> > again, only root was allowed to do that, so the "sudo" command was needed
> > again. Now, if you are really curious about these commands you can have a
> > look at the man pages. Type "man:sudo" in the address bar of Konqueror
> > without quotes and also "man:mkdir" and "man:chown".
> >
> >> There is a folder
> >> named steven that  can contain data now.
> >
> > And if you want to access your new folder more easily you can create a
> > link in your home directory with a command like this:
> >
> > ln -s /media/sdb5/$USER $HOME/sdb5
> >
> >
> > Nils
>
> I wish I didn't have so many things going at once right now.  This is
> what I would like to do, but it takes a lot of concentration for me to
> absorb, and I am distracted by all the other projects.  I think I will
> take one day and relax my brain.  I hope you are around when I get
> back.  I am so tired.  Sleep is not rejuvinating me.

It can get overwhelming. With so many subjects to cover with computers, a 
surefire way to not overwhelm yourself is to set aside a week or 2 for 
learning 1 thing at a time. Get the basics down of each area and over time you 
can expand on the basics when the occasion arises.

In college they taught us starting with hardware. IMHO, A good foundation of 
understanding hardware and how it works, helps in understanding software.

I've been using OSS since somewhere around '99` and I still get stumped from 
time to time, even on the most obvious things.

-- 
David M.



From sma at euphonynet.be  Sat Nov 22 12:06:32 2008
From: sma at euphonynet.be (SMA)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:06:32 +0100
Subject: rtl8187B, internal usb Wifi
Message-ID: <4927F5C8.3080204@euphonynet.be>

Hello,

To day is no possibilities to use the internal Wifi on the Toshiba 
Satellite L3OO based on the rtl8187b from Realtek !!!!
What is the futur actions to resolve this problem, all the solutions 
found on the forum for Kubuntu or Ubuntu are not working

best regard
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From sma at euphonynet.be  Sat Nov 22 12:09:42 2008
From: sma at euphonynet.be (SMA)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:09:42 +0100
Subject: rtl8187b
Message-ID: <4927F686.4000008@euphonynet.be>

Hello,

To day is no possibilities to use the internal Wifi on the Toshiba 
Satellite L3OO based on the rtl8187b from Realtek !!!!
What is the futur actions to resolve this problem, all the solutions 
found on the forum for Kubuntu or Ubuntu are not working
PS: OS= kubuntu 8.10
best regard
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From fred.schaer at free.fr  Sat Nov 22 10:11:21 2008
From: fred.schaer at free.fr (Frederic Schaer)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:11:21 +0100
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <4594384.PmoyBxB3Gi@cedar.serverforest.com>
References: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net>
	<4594384.PmoyBxB3Gi@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <4927DAC9.6030608@free.fr>

Hi,

I'm coming after the battle, but if smart reports there are bad blocks
(using the previous given smartctl -a /dev/sdXX command), given the
price of hard drives and given the price of your own data integrity
(your data has no price, does it ?), I would directly go buy a new disk...

Regards

Derek Broughton a écrit :
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> I did the following in the Shell:
>>
>> steven at Studio25:~$ e2fsck -c
>> Usage: e2fsck [-panyrcdfvstDFSV] [-b superblock] [-B blocksize]
>>                 [-I inode_buffer_blocks] [-P process_inode_size]
>>                 [-l|-L bad_blocks_file] [-C fd] [-j external_journal]
>>                 [-E extended-options] device
>>     
>
> In my experience it's been practically impossible to tell if you have 
> bad blocks on the drive until it's at imminent risk of failure for 
> _many_ years now.
>
> This is because drives themselves remap bad blocks, and the OS - be it 
> Linux, Windows or OSX never gets to see them.  It's only when the 
> drive's internal badblock list is full that the OS will start to see and 
> map bad blocks.  By this time, the drive is pretty near to toast.
>
>   
>> If there are badblocks and they are identified on the HDD, can the HDD
>> still be used?  If I format the HDD, will the badblocks be wiped and
>> usable after format?  TIA.
>>     
>
> NO!  Bad blocks are BAD.  You map them out because they can NEVER be trusted.
>   



From d.mcglone at att.net  Sat Nov 22 13:15:30 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:15:30 -0500
Subject: rtl8187b
In-Reply-To: <4927F686.4000008@euphonynet.be>
References: <4927F686.4000008@euphonynet.be>
Message-ID: <200811220815.30435.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Saturday 22 November 2008 7:09:42 am SMA wrote:
> Hello,
>
> To day is no possibilities to use the internal Wifi on the Toshiba
> Satellite L3OO based on the rtl8187b from Realtek !!!!
> What is the futur actions to resolve this problem, all the solutions
> found on the forum for Kubuntu or Ubuntu are not working
> PS: OS= kubuntu 8.10
> best regard

Did you do an upgrade or fresh install?

I had the same problem on a fresh install of 8.10 with a different wifi card, 
I fixed it by going back to 8.04 and setting up wifi and then upgrading to 
8.10.
-- 
David M.



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 13:51:04 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:51:04 -0500
Subject: VGA mode not supported
In-Reply-To: <200811212115.03701.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <48047.2864270725$1227236429@news.gmane.org>
	<gg63de$ecm$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<5a1f6bd00811210420s3bae22adv2189ee94847ea68b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811212115.03701.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811220551r6e99867dya0565c3104563587@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:

> I managed to get a half working X. Enough to enable the restricted
> driver for my graphics card.

Has anyone figured out a way to get the restricted modules working
from, say, aptitude on tty3 so that I don't need to struggle "to get X
working enough to enable the restricted driver"?



-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 13:56:00 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:56:00 -0500
Subject: Kde 4.1.3 beside kde 3 on 8.04
In-Reply-To: <200811212117.36950.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811201525.38647.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<200811211950.52174.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<5a1f6bd00811211716x61b946b8ob1336e602710408f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811212117.36950.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811220556r3d7d9d40y41c654a7c75282c9@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
> On Friday 21 November 2008 8:16:23 pm Art Alexion wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:50 PM, David McGlone
> <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
>> > What I've found that is so cool so far is the alt-tab window switcher.
> It
>> > still blows my mind and sometimes I open a bunch of windows just
> to use
>> > it.. LOL. I can't wait to use it in front of a windows user, make em all
>> > jealous.
>> >
>> > :-)
>>
>> Um.... Microsoft implemented alt-tab window switching 16 years ago
> in
>> Windows 3.1.  It has worked in every KDE and Gnome version I have
> ever
>> used.  IIRC, it also works in Fluxbox, Window Maker and AfterStep.
>
> LOL I know that, I'm talking about the cool graphics tricks that it does.
> Have you seen it?

No question the KDE 4 graphics tricks are impressive.  I can get
similar stuff just using compiz with kde 3.5 and even gnome, but they
have done a very nice job with kde4 graphically.




-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From jonorland at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 14:02:31 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:02:31 +0100
Subject: VGA mode not supported
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811220551r6e99867dya0565c3104563587@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48047.2864270725$1227236429@news.gmane.org>
	<gg63de$ecm$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<5a1f6bd00811210420s3bae22adv2189ee94847ea68b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811212115.03701.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<5a1f6bd00811220551r6e99867dya0565c3104563587@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811220602t13d945d0gfe62198142db62e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/22 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
>
>> I managed to get a half working X. Enough to enable the restricted
>> driver for my graphics card.
>
> Has anyone figured out a way to get the restricted modules working
> from, say, aptitude on tty3 so that I don't need to struggle "to get X
> working enough to enable the restricted driver"?
>
>

If you know the name of the package it's just to do as normal; apt-get
install packagename
else you can use apt-cache search or the search function in aptitude
to search for your driver.

/ Jonas



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 14:08:05 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:08:05 -0500
Subject: VGA mode not supported
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811220602t13d945d0gfe62198142db62e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48047.2864270725$1227236429@news.gmane.org>
	<gg63de$ecm$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<5a1f6bd00811210420s3bae22adv2189ee94847ea68b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811212115.03701.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<5a1f6bd00811220551r6e99867dya0565c3104563587@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811220602t13d945d0gfe62198142db62e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811220608u708e0f77tf229e2185c68528b@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/11/22 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I managed to get a half working X. Enough to enable the restricted
>>> driver for my graphics card.
>>
>> Has anyone figured out a way to get the restricted modules working
>> from, say, aptitude on tty3 so that I don't need to struggle "to get X
>> working enough to enable the restricted driver"?
>>
>>
>
> If you know the name of the package it's just to do as normal; apt-get
> install packagename
> else you can use apt-cache search or the search function in aptitude
> to search for your driver.
>

So as far as you know, I wouldn't have to edit sources.list to enable
some restricted repository?


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com  Sat Nov 22 14:10:49 2008
From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:10:49 -0500
Subject: VGA mode not supported
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811220551r6e99867dya0565c3104563587@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48047.2864270725$1227236429@news.gmane.org>	<gg63de$ecm$1@ger.gmane.org>	<5a1f6bd00811210420s3bae22adv2189ee94847ea68b@mail.gmail.com>	<200811212115.03701.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<5a1f6bd00811220551r6e99867dya0565c3104563587@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492812E9.9050605@ajinfosearch.com>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> I managed to get a half working X. Enough to enable the restricted
>> driver for my graphics card.
> 
> Has anyone figured out a way to get the restricted modules working
> from, say, aptitude on tty3 so that I don't need to struggle "to get X
> working enough to enable the restricted driver"?

I just picked up this thread and the older ones were deleted from my inbox so if 
this has been covered already, please excuse.  Have you tried EnvyNG?

 From the command line:
	sudo apt-get install envyng-core envyng-qt
Once installed:
	envyng -t

Alan
-- 
"The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated 
concept.  If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in 
life and actually grok it."
                                                                          - 
author unknown
Things I grok: 0



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 14:12:15 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:12:15 +0200
Subject: VGA mode not supported
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Art Alexion wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> I managed to get a half working X. Enough to enable the restricted
>> driver for my graphics card.
> 
> Has anyone figured out a way to get the restricted modules working
> from, say, aptitude on tty3 so that I don't need to struggle "to get X
> working enough to enable the restricted driver"?
> 
> 
> 

you can use jockey. jockey-kde is still buggy, but you can install and 
use jockey-gtk. normally, these provide a GUI known as "restricted 
driver manager", but they can be used as CLI programs as well.
jockey-gtk --help
this should give you enough info on usage, we are mainly interested in the:
jockey-gtk -l
part, after seeing what drivers are available, you can use the:
sudo jockey-gtk -e DRIVER
command to enable it.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 22 14:13:17 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:13:17 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert, and Nubies like me.
Message-ID: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>

Dear Nils,

Yesterday I decided to take today off, because it seemed like my brain 
was going to explode.

I know so little about what I am doing, when I operate the Linux system, 
that I am always having problems.  Also I am old and it is difficult for 
me to retain new things as easy as when I was younger, so many times I 
get help from knowledgeable users here on the list.  Your help, works or 
solves the problem, but, in the end, I really don't understand what 
happened, because I just followed the instruction to get the desired 
result, I did not really learn what happened to the point of being able 
to remember.

Currently I have several problems which are presented to the 'list'.  By 
'list' I mean the Kubuntu Help and User Discussion, and from time to 
time I will receive help from some kind user.  Many times I don't 
understand the instruction, so I just open a shell, cut-and-paste the 
instruction, and wait to see what happens.

Recently, you, Nils, helped me with a problem where I had a partition 
owned by Root.  I did not know how to access that partition to use it 
for storage so you gave me the following instruction:
____________________________________________________________________________________

(An example of why I get screwed up.)  I am going to cut and paste a 
comment I made to you.
I just did what you instructed and here is what happened:

> >> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
> >> [sudo] password for steven:
> >> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
> >> steven at Studio25:~$
> >>
> >> What did I just do?

(By the way thank you for the word prepend, never heard it before but like it very much)
________________________________________________________________________________________________


Is this a proper translation for what I wrote in the first line of 
instruction?  'sudo' (give me root ability) '/mkdir' (to make a 
directory [or folder]) '/media' (in the media folder) '/sdb5' (of the 
partition sdb5[or does this mean the folder, sdb5) '/$USER' (and the 
folder created is a directory named steven)?

The second line, I assume, is where I typed in my password.

Is this a proper translation for what is said in line 3:  Give me the 
Root permission to change the owner from root to user in the steven 
directory of the sdb5 partition of the media folder of my home directory?

If correct, I may understand something now.

Next:

Nils.  I keep my short-cuts to packages that I use often on the top of 
my Desktop.  Among the Icons that represent those packages is an Icon 
'SYSTEM MENU Menu of Important System Places'  when I click on it, it 
opens Dolphin with a list of my Partitions.  I use this Short-cut every 
time I want to get to a specific partition, or to enter Dolphin.  I do 
not enter any of those folders or storage areas any other way. 

Is there an easier or faster way? 

When I open that short-cut, on the left of the window is a row of 
Bookmarks.  Currently my list is as follows: 
1) Home, 2) Storage Media, 3) Users' Folders, 4) Root, 5) sda7, 6) 
Completed Downloads. 

The first five are self-explanatory, the sixth is a folder in sda5.  I 
use each title as a short-cut to what I want.  How do I change the name 
of a title in Bookmarks to make it understandable to another user?  sda7 
contains movies.  How could I change the sda 7 Bookmark to [Movies]? 

I won't live much longer.  I want my children to be able to access the 
contents of my computer easily.  They are Windows users and won't know 
what things like 'sda7' mean.  I would like to give them a starting 
place with simple shortcuts, so that when they are grieving, they can 
find my stuff easily.  I don't want them to have to go find an expert to 
translate for them, if possible.  I am pretty sure they will grieve when 
I die; I also think they will assume there are important things in my 
computer, and be stuck with a difficult problem understanding Linux 
unique way of saying things. 

Also, how can I change the order of the Bookmarks.  I want the first 
entries of list of bookmarks to take them to areas that contain 
information easily understood by a novice.  I want folders that require 
Linux operation knowledge at the bottom of the list.  If they opened my 
home folder or Users' folder, it would be total confusion for them.

When I open 'Storage Media' in the 'Bookmarks' column of the content of 
the Icon 'SYSTEM MENU Menu of Important System Places' in the row of 
short-cut Icons on my Desktop, I show a list of my partitions + an entry 
for my Floppy Drive.  (In the preceding paragraph I mentioned sda7 which 
contained movies).  It is represented in 'Storage Media' as [119G 
Media].  I would like that entry to read ['119G Media Movies'].  The 
next entry is 15G Media.  For now I would like to call it [15G Media 
'empty primary partition'].  I plan to install Intrepid in that 
partition, when I decide to familiarize myself with that Operating 
System.  Next is 21G Media.  I would like to call it [21G Media 'Hardy 
or Current Operating System'].  I would also like to name the other 
partitions on my computer with identification that describes their basic 
content. (For the same reason - easier for my kids to find what they 
want to know without needing a Linux expert.)

This is a long post, and I will close for now, but I am betting their 
are thousands of Newbies that would like the answers to this one.  It is 
an area that will take Newbie focus off basic stuff we probably should 
know intuitavely, that experts take for granted, and allow us to focus 
on the stuff we really need to know, like the instruction at the 
beginning of this post.  TIA.

For those experts who are offended by the verbosity of my post, I can't 
tell you how long it took me to just press 119G Media (It wasn't a 
matter of lack of curiosity, it was that I was already too confused by 
my every move.  At that point, I wasn't ready to add to the confusion by 
clicking on a new experiment), and to my surprise find something I had 
long looked for, *my movies*. 

I don't even remember the experimenting to find Movies, or even the find 
option in Tools in Dolphin.  I, for one, think 'find' is an important 
enough thing to become a menu Item in Dolphin.  Maybe one for 'locate' 
too.  Those are BIG tools for a Newbie, until they are able to get 
around in the system.  If the long post annoys you, please forgive me.  
I love you all.  I am so grateful to you all.

Steven



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 14:21:31 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:21:31 -0500
Subject: VGA mode not supported
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On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Art Alexion wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I managed to get a half working X. Enough to enable the restricted
>>> driver for my graphics card.
>>
>> Has anyone figured out a way to get the restricted modules working
>> from, say, aptitude on tty3 so that I don't need to struggle "to get X
>> working enough to enable the restricted driver"?
>>
>>
>>
>
> you can use jockey. jockey-kde is still buggy, but you can install and use
> jockey-gtk. normally, these provide a GUI known as "restricted driver
> manager", but they can be used as CLI programs as well.
> jockey-gtk --help
> this should give you enough info on usage, we are mainly interested in the:
> jockey-gtk -l
> part, after seeing what drivers are available, you can use the:
> sudo jockey-gtk -e DRIVER
> command to enable it.

Thanks to both Willy and Alan.  I'll try it when I get to work on Monday.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 22 14:22:20 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:22:20 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,	trying to learn how to use
	terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811210733.17596.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>	<200811202255.34626.kassube@gmx.net>	<4925E08C.9080705@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811210733.17596.kassube@gmx.net>
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Nils Kassube wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Nils Kassube wrote:
>>     
>>> Sorry, I have no experience with Gnome - I'm using KDE where the GUI
>>> administration is different (and for many things I prefer the command
>>> line anyway). Therefore I can't tell you how to do it using the GUI
>>> tools.
>>>       
>> I don't use Gnome either, Kubuntu Hardy.
>> Kmenu>SystemSettings>AdvancedTab>Disk&Filesystems
>>     
>
> Well, like I wrote in the other mail, I was a bit confused about the list, 
> so I realised that you aren't using Gnome after I sent that remark. And 
> now I had a look at Disk&Filesystems. It seems to be a tool to 
> maintain the /etc/fstab file, but there is no help available, so I 
> will not play with the settings.
>
>   
>> I just did what you instructed and here is what happened:
>> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
>> [sudo] password for steven:
>> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>
>> What did I just do?
>>     
>
> You did what I wrote in my original mail. First you created a directory 
> with the command "mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER". Only root was allowed to 
> write to the partition, so you needed root privilege. Therefore the 
> command was prepended with "sudo". Then you changed the ownership from 
> root to yourself with the command "chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER". And 
> again, only root was allowed to do that, so the "sudo" command was needed 
> again. Now, if you are really curious about these commands you can have a 
> look at the man pages. Type "man:sudo" in the address bar of Konqueror 
> without quotes and also "man:mkdir" and "man:chown".
>
>   
>> There is a folder 
>> named steven that  can contain data now.
>>     
>
> And if you want to access your new folder more easily you can create a 
> link in your home directory with a command like this:
>
> ln -s /media/sdb5/$USER $HOME/sdb5
>
>
> Nils
>
>   
I am so confused all the time, I don't remember if 'Disk&Filesystems' is 
how I mount a partition or not.  Eventually I get it done, but I do know 
that when I have a partition that doesn't work, my method of getting it 
to work is to open Disk&Filesystems, open Administrator Mode, highlight 
the item in question, and click on enable.  That usually makes the 
partition function.  When I attempted to make sdb5 work, I did that, but 
it did not make the partition accessible.  It became enabled, but 
remained in the possession of Root. 

I also remember an option that I don't know how to find now, but when it 
is open in Root, I am able to click on a choice for changing 
permissions.  When I choose user, it changes Root Root to User, and I am 
now able to have some control over that package.

Thanks for your patience, friend.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 22 14:34:40 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:34:40 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <4927DAC9.6030608@free.fr>
References: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net>	<4594384.PmoyBxB3Gi@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4927DAC9.6030608@free.fr>
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Frederic Schaer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm coming after the battle, but if smart reports there are bad blocks
> (using the previous given smartctl -a /dev/sdXX command), given the
> price of hard drives and given the price of your own data integrity
> (your data has no price, does it ?), I would directly go buy a new disk...
>
> Regards
>
> Derek Broughton a écrit :
>   
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> I did the following in the Shell:
>>>
>>> steven at Studio25:~$ e2fsck -c
>>> Usage: e2fsck [-panyrcdfvstDFSV] [-b superblock] [-B blocksize]
>>>                 [-I inode_buffer_blocks] [-P process_inode_size]
>>>                 [-l|-L bad_blocks_file] [-C fd] [-j external_journal]
>>>                 [-E extended-options] device
>>>     
>>>       
>> In my experience it's been practically impossible to tell if you have 
>> bad blocks on the drive until it's at imminent risk of failure for 
>> _many_ years now.
>>
>> This is because drives themselves remap bad blocks, and the OS - be it 
>> Linux, Windows or OSX never gets to see them.  It's only when the 
>> drive's internal badblock list is full that the OS will start to see and 
>> map bad blocks.  By this time, the drive is pretty near to toast.
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> If there are badblocks and they are identified on the HDD, can the HDD
>>> still be used?  If I format the HDD, will the badblocks be wiped and
>>> usable after format?  TIA.
>>>     
>>>       
>> NO!  Bad blocks are BAD.  You map them out because they can NEVER be trusted.
>>   
>>     
>
>   
Dear Derek,

I feel like a friend with all at the 'List' now, so I will embarrass 
myself a bit.  I am a  retired fine-artist that never made a lot of 
money.  (It is obvious that 'fine' doesn't mean the quality of my work, 
for I have not earned much from the task; it just means that art is what 
I do for a living.)  Consequently, when I had to retire and live on my 
Social Security, (I could never save for old age.) it was an amount that 
most people pay in tips each month.  So I am just too poor to solve a 
problem by purchasing something, unless I am absolutely sure the 
something is really broken.  Knowing that, is not an easy thing, when 
you are as inhibited intellectually as I am.  But even if the 'List' got 
frustrated enough to boot me off, I will not stop trying to learn this 
stuff.  I will still be struggling to learn this system, when I am 
looking up at the roots of grass, with a 'Here Lies' marker at my head.  
I will not give up.  I am not a quitter.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sat Nov 22 15:04:54 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:04:54 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <49281880.8000904@sbcglobal.net>
References: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net> <4927DAC9.6030608@free.fr>
	<49281880.8000904@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811221004.55017.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Saturday 22 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>  I will still be struggling to learn this system, when I am
> looking up at the roots of grass, with a 'Here Lies' marker at my head.  
> I will not give up.  I am not a quitter.

Steven:

Do you live in an area where there might be some Linux Users Groups (LUG)?

You might find that some local group would help you learn more as well as be a 
lot of fun.  Usually such groups have a session where someone gives a talk 
and then they have Q & A  and then probably informal talk among members.

This might be a place to start.

http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/

But I'm not suggesting you shouldn't keep asking questions to the list.



From d.mcglone at att.net  Sat Nov 22 15:06:37 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:06:37 -0500
Subject: VGA mode not supported
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811220608u708e0f77tf229e2185c68528b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48047.2864270725$1227236429@news.gmane.org>
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On Saturday 22 November 2008 9:08:05 am Art Alexion wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > 2008/11/22 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
> >>> I managed to get a half working X. Enough to enable the restricted
> >>> driver for my graphics card.
> >>
> >> Has anyone figured out a way to get the restricted modules working
> >> from, say, aptitude on tty3 so that I don't need to struggle "to get X
> >> working enough to enable the restricted driver"?
> >
> > If you know the name of the package it's just to do as normal; apt-get
> > install packagename
> > else you can use apt-cache search or the search function in aptitude
> > to search for your driver.
>
> So as far as you know, I wouldn't have to edit sources.list to enable
> some restricted repository?

That's the problem. With the desktop install, it doesn't present the option to 
enable a way to set up an Internet connection through a network or such and 
thus will not get the repositories where these drivers lurk. Using the 
alternate CD if does give you the option to specify the IP and Gateway. 

On this particular install, I was lucky that the restricted drivers repository 
was enabled.

-- 
David M.



From d.mcglone at att.net  Sat Nov 22 15:12:33 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:12:33 -0500
Subject: VGA mode not supported
In-Reply-To: <4928133F.60300@gmail.com>
References: <48047.2864270725$1227236429@news.gmane.org>
	<5a1f6bd00811220551r6e99867dya0565c3104563587@mail.gmail.com>
	<4928133F.60300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811221012.33636.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Saturday 22 November 2008 9:12:15 am Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Art Alexion wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
> >> I managed to get a half working X. Enough to enable the restricted
> >> driver for my graphics card.
> >
> > Has anyone figured out a way to get the restricted modules working
> > from, say, aptitude on tty3 so that I don't need to struggle "to get X
> > working enough to enable the restricted driver"?
>
> you can use jockey. jockey-kde is still buggy, but you can install and
> use jockey-gtk. normally, these provide a GUI known as "restricted
> driver manager", but they can be used as CLI programs as well.
> jockey-gtk --help
> this should give you enough info on usage, we are mainly interested in the:
> jockey-gtk -l
> part, after seeing what drivers are available, you can use the:
> sudo jockey-gtk -e DRIVER
> command to enable it.

When I was stuck at a console with no X, jockey-kde wouldn't work for me :-( 
it would tell me "cannot connect to x server"
-- 
David M.



From ejazzkatt at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 15:56:46 2008
From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:56:46 -0500
Subject: Grub Errors
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811200253s68400688g589cf3ad5449f4a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924B319.30003@gmail.com>	<200811192040.22225.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811200253s68400688g589cf3ad5449f4a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49282BBE.90405@gmail.com>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Jerry Lapham <rjlapham at cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday 19 November 2008 7:45:13 pm Eric wrote:
>>
>>> Error 18 selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by Bios
>> Try Googling the above -- there are a number of hits discussing this issue.
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=+Error+18+selected+cylinder+exceeds+maximum+supported+by+Bios
> 
> Right, and many of them involve Ubuntu/Kubuntu upgrades.
> 
> 

I tried reading that but I'm lost. I don't understand. I would even 
reinstall both distros but I don't know what to do differently if I 
reinstall.

Can anyone explain what I would need to do to reinstall and not have the 
error 18 problem?

TIA


Eric




From sma at euphonynet.be  Sat Nov 22 15:58:01 2008
From: sma at euphonynet.be (SMA)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:58:01 +0100
Subject: rtl8187b
In-Reply-To: <200811220815.30435.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <4927F686.4000008@euphonynet.be>
	<200811220815.30435.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <49282C09.5050904@euphonynet.be>

hello,

I have the same problem with the 2 cases, first i comming from kubuntu 
8.04.1 with an upgrade from the website of kubuntu to 8.10 = no result, 
after i have make a new installation from the cd of kubuntu 8.10 with 
the same negative result !!!
Maybe Mandriva -One 2009 support this type of internal card ??? this is 
the next step


David McGlone a e'crit:
> On Saturday 22 November 2008 7:09:42 am SMA wrote:
>   
>> Hello,
>>
>> To day is no possibilities to use the internal Wifi on the Toshiba
>> Satellite L3OO based on the rtl8187b from Realtek !!!!
>> What is the futur actions to resolve this problem, all the solutions
>> found on the forum for Kubuntu or Ubuntu are not working
>> PS: OS= kubuntu 8.10
>> best regard
>>     
>
> Did you do an upgrade or fresh install?
>
> I had the same problem on a fresh install of 8.10 with a different wifi card, 
> I fixed it by going back to 8.04 and setting up wifi and then upgrading to 
> 8.10.
>   
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From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sat Nov 22 17:02:25 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:02:25 -0500
Subject: Grub Errors
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On Saturday 22 November 2008, Eric wrote:
> Can anyone explain what I would need to do to reinstall and not have the
> error 18 problem?

You would need to move the boot partition to an area that is closer to the 
beginning of the hard drive.   A BIOS is limited to how far out on the disk 
it can reach to boot.

I think you would eliminate this problem by installing grub in the MBR (master 
boot record) which is at the very beginning of the disk.   The initial stages 
of grub could then boot the kernel from wherever you placed it.



From d.mcglone at att.net  Sat Nov 22 17:24:22 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:24:22 -0500
Subject: Firefox upload preview
Message-ID: <200811221224.22735.d.mcglone@att.net>

Is it possible to have an upload preview in firefox? it shows really small 
thumbs beside the filename but it's too small to make out. I looked for a way 
to make it bigger but can't find a solution.

Thanks,
-- 
David M.



From ejazzkatt at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 17:53:02 2008
From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:53:02 -0500
Subject: Grub Errors
In-Reply-To: <200811221202.25929.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4924B319.30003@gmail.com>	<5a1f6bd00811200253s68400688g589cf3ad5449f4a8@mail.gmail.com>	<49282BBE.90405@gmail.com>
	<200811221202.25929.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492846FE.50303@gmail.com>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Saturday 22 November 2008, Eric wrote:
>> Can anyone explain what I would need to do to reinstall and not have the
>> error 18 problem?
> 
> You would need to move the boot partition to an area that is closer to the 
> beginning of the hard drive.   A BIOS is limited to how far out on the disk 
> it can reach to boot.
> 
> I think you would eliminate this problem by installing grub in the MBR (master 
> boot record) which is at the very beginning of the disk.   The initial stages 
> of grub could then boot the kernel from wherever you placed it.

That's part of the problem. How do I install Grub in the MBR? I was 
about to reinstall Kubuntu but I didn't know how to tell it to install 
Grub where I want it.

Eric



> 




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 17:59:07 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:59:07 +0200
Subject: Firefox upload preview
In-Reply-To: <200811221224.22735.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811221224.22735.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811220959n44d4b10cjdf03cb0a72ccbba8@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/22 David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net>:
> Is it possible to have an upload preview in firefox? it shows really small
> thumbs beside the filename but it's too small to make out. I looked for a way
> to make it bigger but can't find a solution.
>
> Thanks,

Dear David, this happens because Firefox is written using GTK, while
you are used to the rest of KDE which is
written the better looking QT. so firefox uses a GNOME-like file
chooser menu which doesn't contain thumnails.
this has been recently discussed on the list, and Dotan Cohen filed a
bug on Launchpad about it. i can't remember the link, but will post it
here when i find it. so far, it seems like they are with the idea, but
it's too early to know, but if all goes well, the bug will be assigned
to jaunty jackalope, and the feature will appear in kubuntu 9.04.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 22 18:17:24 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:17:24 -0500
Subject: Inexperienced with shell, however,   trying to learn how to use
	terminal to fix mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <200811220651.31613.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <49257988.6050009@sbcglobal.net>	<200811210733.17596.kassube@gmx.net>	<492770C9.3010503@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811220651.31613.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <49284CB4.6040006@sbcglobal.net>

David McGlone wrote:
> On Friday 21 November 2008 9:39:05 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Nils Kassube wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Nils Kassube wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Sorry, I have no experience with Gnome - I'm using KDE where the GUI
>>>>> administration is different (and for many things I prefer the command
>>>>> line anyway). Therefore I can't tell you how to do it using the GUI
>>>>> tools.
>>>>>           
>>>> I don't use Gnome either, Kubuntu Hardy.
>>>> Kmenu>SystemSettings>AdvancedTab>Disk&Filesystems
>>>>         
>>> Well, like I wrote in the other mail, I was a bit confused about the
>>> list, so I realised that you aren't using Gnome after I sent that remark.
>>> And now I had a look at Disk&Filesystems. It seems to be a tool to
>>> maintain the /etc/fstab file, but there is no help available, so I
>>> will not play with the settings.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I just did what you instructed and here is what happened:
>>>> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
>>>> [sudo] password for steven:
>>>> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
>>>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>>>
>>>> What did I just do?
>>>>         
>>> You did what I wrote in my original mail. First you created a directory
>>> with the command "mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER". Only root was allowed to
>>> write to the partition, so you needed root privilege. Therefore the
>>> command was prepended with "sudo". Then you changed the ownership from
>>> root to yourself with the command "chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER". And
>>> again, only root was allowed to do that, so the "sudo" command was needed
>>> again. Now, if you are really curious about these commands you can have a
>>> look at the man pages. Type "man:sudo" in the address bar of Konqueror
>>> without quotes and also "man:mkdir" and "man:chown".
>>>
>>>       
>>>> There is a folder
>>>> named steven that  can contain data now.
>>>>         
>>> And if you want to access your new folder more easily you can create a
>>> link in your home directory with a command like this:
>>>
>>> ln -s /media/sdb5/$USER $HOME/sdb5
>>>
>>>
>>> Nils
>>>       
>> I wish I didn't have so many things going at once right now.  This is
>> what I would like to do, but it takes a lot of concentration for me to
>> absorb, and I am distracted by all the other projects.  I think I will
>> take one day and relax my brain.  I hope you are around when I get
>> back.  I am so tired.  Sleep is not rejuvinating me.
>>     
>
> It can get overwhelming. With so many subjects to cover with computers, a 
> surefire way to not overwhelm yourself is to set aside a week or 2 for 
> learning 1 thing at a time. Get the basics down of each area and over time you 
> can expand on the basics when the occasion arises.
>
> In college they taught us starting with hardware. IMHO, A good foundation of 
> understanding hardware and how it works, helps in understanding software.
>
> I've been using OSS since somewhere around '99` and I still get stumped from 
> time to time, even on the most obvious things.
>
>   
Thanks for the advice, David.  Cheers!



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sat Nov 22 18:23:33 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:23:33 -0500
Subject: Grub Errors
In-Reply-To: <492846FE.50303@gmail.com>
References: <4924B319.30003@gmail.com> <200811221202.25929.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492846FE.50303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811221323.33611.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Saturday 22 November 2008, Eric wrote:
> > I think you would eliminate this problem by installing grub in the MBR
> > (master boot record) which is at the very beginning of the disk.   The
> > initial stages of grub could then boot the kernel from wherever you
> > placed it.
>
> That's part of the problem. How do I install Grub in the MBR? I was
> about to reinstall Kubuntu but I didn't know how to tell it to install
> Grub where I want it.
>
> Eric

grub-install hd0

assuming you are booted to Kubuntu.

Now, if you have two linux systems you want to boot from, the 2nd may not show 
in the boot menu, but it is easily added after you have booted into the 
current system.



From godshatter at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 18:30:46 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:30:46 -0800
Subject: Firefox upload preview
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811220959n44d4b10cjdf03cb0a72ccbba8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811221224.22735.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<15edeae40811220959n44d4b10cjdf03cb0a72ccbba8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49284FD6.60703@yahoo.com>

Willy Hamra wrote:
> Dear David, this happens because Firefox is written using GTK, while
> you are used to the rest of KDE which is
> written the better looking QT. so firefox uses a GNOME-like file
> chooser menu which doesn't contain thumnails.
> this has been recently discussed on the list, and Dotan Cohen filed a
> bug on Launchpad about it. i can't remember the link, but will post it
> here when i find it. so far, it seems like they are with the idea, but
> it's too early to know, but if all goes well, the bug will be assigned
> to jaunty jackalope, and the feature will appear in kubuntu 9.04

It's been a while since I've done it, but I once downloaded the source 
for the mozilla suite on Debian and compiled firefox using a different 
interface.  I think I used a later version of gtk instead of whatever 
version was compiled into the one in the repositories.  I believe QT was 
on the list of possible interfaces, which makes me wonder if Canonical 
could make a kubuntu-firefox package or something that used a version 
compiled with QT.

After a little googling, I found that somebody is apparently working on 
Firefox for QT: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/

Paul




From kassube at gmx.net  Sat Nov 22 20:04:46 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:04:46 +0100
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,
	and Nubies like me.
In-Reply-To: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811222104.46723.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Recently, you, Nils, helped me with a problem where I had a partition
> owned by Root.  I did not know how to access that partition to use it
> for storage so you gave me the following instruction:
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> (An example of why I get screwed up.)  I am going to cut and paste a
> comment I made to you.
>
> I just did what you instructed and here is what happened:
> > >> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
> > >> [sudo] password for steven:
> > >> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
> > >> steven at Studio25:~$
> > >>
> > >> What did I just do?
>
> (By the way thank you for the word prepend, never heard it before but
> like it very much)

That's what you get when you have to look up words in the dictionary. 
Sometimes the words are not often used, but the dictionary doesn't 
mention that detail :)

> Is this a proper translation for what I wrote in the first line of
> instruction?  'sudo' (give me root ability) '/mkdir' (to make a
> directory [or folder]) '/media' (in the media folder) '/sdb5' (of the
> partition sdb5[or does this mean the folder, sdb5) '/$USER' (and the
> folder created is a directory named steven)?

Apart from the typo '/mkdir' instead of 'mkdir', it is the directory (or 
folder) "/media/sdb5", not the partition. IMHO, that is a minor detail 
which isn't really that important for a normal user, but I'll explain it 
anyway. The partition is a so called device named "/dev/sdb5". As a 
normal user you can't access the partition (the device) directly. Instead 
there is a file system on the partition (made by the format command or 
qtparted, gparted etc.). That file system is then mounted to the 
(automatically created) directory "/media/sdb5". As a normal user you can 
only access files or directories of a mounted file system. I hope this 
explanation isn't too confusing.

> The second line, I assume, is where I typed in my password.

Right.

> Is this a proper translation for what is said in line 3:  Give me the
> Root permission to change the owner from root to user in the steven
> directory of the sdb5 partition of the media folder of my home
> directory?

That's correct (well it is directory instead of partition - see above).

> If correct, I may understand something now.

Yes, obviously you understand what's going on. If you want to learn more 
about the command line and basics of the hardware, you may have a look at 
the rutebook package. After you have installed that package you can start 
reading with the file "/usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html". I think 
it explains those things much better than I can.

> Nils.  I keep my short-cuts to packages that I use often on the top of
> my Desktop.  Among the Icons that represent those packages is an Icon
> 'SYSTEM MENU Menu of Important System Places'  when I click on it, it
> opens Dolphin with a list of my Partitions.  I use this Short-cut every
> time I want to get to a specific partition, or to enter Dolphin.  I do
> not enter any of those folders or storage areas any other way.
>
> Is there an easier or faster way?

How about a direct shortcut for a specific directory? I can only explain 
it for Ubuntu 8.04 because I don't have a spare machine to play with the 
8.10 LiveCD right now. But I suppose / hope it is similar with 8.10.

You can navigate to the directory above the wanted one with Dolphin and 
then drag the icon for the wanted directory to the desktop. Attention: In 
the dialog select "Link here" and NOT "Copy here".

> When I open that short-cut, on the left of the window is a row of
> Bookmarks.  Currently my list is as follows:
> 1) Home, 2) Storage Media, 3) Users' Folders, 4) Root, 5) sda7, 6)
> Completed Downloads.
>
> The first five are self-explanatory, the sixth is a folder in sda5.  I
> use each title as a short-cut to what I want.  How do I change the name
> of a title in Bookmarks to make it understandable to another user? 
> sda7 contains movies.  How could I change the sda 7 Bookmark to
> [Movies]?

Right click on the bookmark and select "Edit". And if you want to change 
the name of an icon on your desktop, right click on the icon and 
select "Rename". Then you can enter the name you want to have for the 
icon. I think that should also answer the other the questions which I 
didn't quote.


Nils



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sat Nov 22 22:04:32 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:04:32 +0000
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,
	and Nubies like me.
In-Reply-To: <200811222104.46723.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811222104.46723.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <200811222204.32209.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Saturday 22 Nov 2008, Nils Kassube wrote:
> Yes, obviously you understand what's going on. If you
> want to learn more about the command line and basics of
> the hardware, you may have a look at the rutebook
> package. After you have installed that package you can
> start reading with the file
> "/usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html". I think it
> explains those things much better than I can.

Yes, I learned much from the Rute manual in my earlier days 
with Linux (and could have learned more) ;)

Also for the command line there is the excellent;

  http://linuxcommand.org/

which I found best of all.

nepal.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sat Nov 22 22:08:54 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:08:54 +0000
Subject: how to reinstall grub
In-Reply-To: <200811220931.33934.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811211933.48216.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<4927C4D9.9030106@gmail.com>
	<200811220931.33934.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811222208.55108.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Saturday 22 Nov 2008, nepal wrote:
> but it didn't work. When I tried to boot from that drive
> I got an error "File not found."

IIRC I did get this working some time ago. The problem is 
the bios. If I set the bios boot order to check the second 
drive first, I have to have in the stanza a reference to 
the second drive as if it is the first drive i.e. hd0. I 
haven't tried this but I'm sure that is what I did and it 
worked ok and it would explain the "File Not Found" error.

nepal.



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 23:21:28 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:21:28 +1000
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
Message-ID: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

Have been evaluating  the latest nvidia beta drivers (180.06, 64 bit) and they 
seem to have fixed the screen artefacts that plagued KDE 4. I'm not seeing any 
issues with task bar glyph corruption etc.

However :) On my GF6100 I was seeing bad text corruption, particularly with 
Italic text. Apparently its due to the GlyphCache been enabled for the 6 & 7 
series of cards for the first time. The fix is to either disable the glyph 
cache:

  nvidia-settings -a GlyphCache=0

Which apparently will impact performance, though I didn't see any difference, 
or Disable sub-pixel hinting in the anti-aliasing settings.

Both worked, I'm quite pleased with the overall results.

The drives can be downloaded here:

  32 Bit
  http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_180.06.html

  64 Bit
  http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_180.06.html	


Additionally they include VDPAU - NVidia new API for accelerating video 
playback (PurevideHD for linux basically). I've seen very good reviews and 
benchmarks on this, but you need a 8 Series card or better and patches to 
mplayer to use it. No doubt support for this will work its way into xine (and 
hence kaffine), MythTV etc.

  VDPAU
  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_180_vdpau&num=1


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From d.mcglone at att.net  Sat Nov 22 23:30:47 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:30:47 -0500
Subject: Firefox upload preview
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811220959n44d4b10cjdf03cb0a72ccbba8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811221224.22735.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<15edeae40811220959n44d4b10cjdf03cb0a72ccbba8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811221830.47539.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Saturday 22 November 2008 12:59:07 pm Willy Hamra wrote:
> 2008/11/22 David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net>:
> > Is it possible to have an upload preview in firefox? it shows really
> > small thumbs beside the filename but it's too small to make out. I looked
> > for a way to make it bigger but can't find a solution.
> >
> > Thanks,
>
> Dear David, this happens because Firefox is written using GTK, while
> you are used to the rest of KDE which is
> written the better looking QT. so firefox uses a GNOME-like file
> chooser menu which doesn't contain thumnails.
> this has been recently discussed on the list, and Dotan Cohen filed a
> bug on Launchpad about it. i can't remember the link, but will post it
> here when i find it. so far, it seems like they are with the idea, but
> it's too early to know, but if all goes well, the bug will be assigned
> to jaunty jackalope, and the feature will appear in kubuntu 9.04.

Ah that explains it!

-- 
David M.



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 23:44:32 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:44:32 +1000
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811230944.33261.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:21:28 am Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> The drives can be downloaded here:
>
>   32 Bit
>   http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_180.06.html
>
>   64 Bit
>   http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_180.06.html

And I just noticed they released 180.08 on the 17th/Nov :)

  ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.08/
  ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.08/

Will try these out and see how they go.

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 22 23:56:12 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:56:12 -0500
Subject: :)
Message-ID: <49289C1C.70903@sbcglobal.net>

Dear Mike,

Here is the name for the Kubuntu email list.  On the return, or where 
you send to, they give a sender address as 
kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com and a reply as 
kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com.  I don't think that will work until you 
are registered with them.  I don't know.  But it is a wonderful list.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 01:28:29 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:28:29 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,	and Nubies like
	me.
In-Reply-To: <200811222104.46723.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811222104.46723.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4928B1BD.5030803@sbcglobal.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Recently, you, Nils, helped me with a problem where I had a partition
>> owned by Root.  I did not know how to access that partition to use it
>> for storage so you gave me the following instruction:
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>
>> (An example of why I get screwed up.)  I am going to cut and paste a
>> comment I made to you.
>>
>> I just did what you instructed and here is what happened:
>>     
>>>>> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo mkdir /media/sdb5/$USER
>>>>> [sudo] password for steven:
>>>>> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo chown $USER /media/sdb5/$USER
>>>>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>>>>
>>>>> What did I just do?
>>>>>           
>> (By the way thank you for the word prepend, never heard it before but
>> like it very much)
>>     
>
> That's what you get when you have to look up words in the dictionary. 
> Sometimes the words are not often used, but the dictionary doesn't 
> mention that detail :)
>
>   
>> Is this a proper translation for what I wrote in the first line of
>> instruction?  'sudo' (give me root ability) '/mkdir' (to make a
>> directory [or folder]) '/media' (in the media folder) '/sdb5' (of the
>> partition sdb5[or does this mean the folder, sdb5) '/$USER' (and the
>> folder created is a directory named steven)?
>>     
>
> Apart from the typo '/mkdir' instead of 'mkdir', it is the directory (or 
> folder) "/media/sdb5", not the partition. IMHO, that is a minor detail 
> which isn't really that important for a normal user, but I'll explain it 
> anyway. The partition is a so called device named "/dev/sdb5". As a 
> normal user you can't access the partition (the device) directly. Instead 
> there is a file system on the partition (made by the format command or 
> qtparted, gparted etc.). That file system is then mounted to the 
> (automatically created) directory "/media/sdb5". As a normal user you can 
> only access files or directories of a mounted file system. I hope this 
> explanation isn't too confusing.
>
>   
>> The second line, I assume, is where I typed in my password.
>>     
>
> Right.
>
>   
>> Is this a proper translation for what is said in line 3:  Give me the
>> Root permission to change the owner from root to user in the steven
>> directory of the sdb5 partition of the media folder of my home
>> directory?
>>     
>
> That's correct (well it is directory instead of partition - see above).
>
>   
>> If correct, I may understand something now.
>>     
>
> Yes, obviously you understand what's going on. If you want to learn more 
> about the command line and basics of the hardware, you may have a look at 
> the rutebook package. After you have installed that package you can start 
> reading with the file "/usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html". I think 
> it explains those things much better than I can.
>
>   
>> Nils.  I keep my short-cuts to packages that I use often on the top of
>> my Desktop.  Among the Icons that represent those packages is an Icon
>> 'SYSTEM MENU Menu of Important System Places'  when I click on it, it
>> opens Dolphin with a list of my Partitions.  I use this Short-cut every
>> time I want to get to a specific partition, or to enter Dolphin.  I do
>> not enter any of those folders or storage areas any other way.
>>
>> Is there an easier or faster way?
>>     
>
> How about a direct shortcut for a specific directory? I can only explain 
> it for Ubuntu 8.04 because I don't have a spare machine to play with the 
> 8.10 LiveCD right now. But I suppose / hope it is similar with 8.10.
>
> You can navigate to the directory above the wanted one with Dolphin and 
> then drag the icon for the wanted directory to the desktop. Attention: In 
> the dialog select "Link here" and NOT "Copy here".
>
>   
>> When I open that short-cut, on the left of the window is a row of
>> Bookmarks.  Currently my list is as follows:
>> 1) Home, 2) Storage Media, 3) Users' Folders, 4) Root, 5) sda7, 6)
>> Completed Downloads.
>>
>> The first five are self-explanatory, the sixth is a folder in sda5.  I
>> use each title as a short-cut to what I want.  How do I change the name
>> of a title in Bookmarks to make it understandable to another user? 
>> sda7 contains movies.  How could I change the sda 7 Bookmark to
>> [Movies]?
>>     
>
> Right click on the bookmark and select "Edit". And if you want to change 
> the name of an icon on your desktop, right click on the icon and 
> select "Rename". Then you can enter the name you want to have for the 
> icon. I think that should also answer the other the questions which I 
> didn't quote.
>
>
> Nils
>
>   
Dear Nils,

You would love to see what happened.  I have been wanting to know how to 
do that for as long as I have used Kubuntu.  I just wasn't smart enough 
to ask the question.  I am still laughing.  Nothing funny just sheer 
joy.  I had to use something to dry my eyes, it made me so happy I 
teared.  Probably a silly little thing to a guru, but to someone who has 
trouble remembering what these new terms mean, it allows me to know, 
while I am still not too bright.  I am still laughing.  Thank you so 
very much.  I am sure this will read well for a Newbie from Windows.  
Most cordially,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 01:32:32 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:32:32 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,	and Nubies like
	me.
In-Reply-To: <200811222204.32209.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>	<200811222104.46723.kassube@gmx.net>
	<200811222204.32209.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4928B2B0.8090702@sbcglobal.net>

nepal wrote:
> On Saturday 22 Nov 2008, Nils Kassube wrote:
>   
>> Yes, obviously you understand what's going on. If you
>> want to learn more about the command line and basics of
>> the hardware, you may have a look at the rutebook
>> package. After you have installed that package you can
>> start reading with the file
>> "/usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html". I think it
>> explains those things much better than I can.
>>     
>
> Yes, I learned much from the Rute manual in my earlier days 
> with Linux (and could have learned more) ;)
>
> Also for the command line there is the excellent;
>
>   http://linuxcommand.org/
>
> which I found best of all.
>
> nepal.
>
>   
Thanks Nepal,

I wasn't even going to read today.  I thought I needed a rest.  But I 
guess I am becoming a Kubuntu junkie.  I just couldn't stay away.

Thanks friend,

Steven



From grey at dmiyu.org  Sun Nov 23 02:31:08 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:31:08 -0800
Subject: Before I start filing bugs - KMail Help
Message-ID: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org>

Hello,
    Ok, I've decided to give KMail a whirl after the latest round of "how to 
implement reply-to-list" messages in TBird's bugzilla bug for that feature.  
Sick of waiting 8 years for that wart to be removed.  However there are some 
behaviours in KMail which are preventing me from switching completely over.  I 
want to make sure they aren't something I can fix with a configuration tweak I 
am thus far unaware of.  I have gone through the entire configuration so 
either it is something non-obvious, a bug or I'm just being oblivious (known 
to happen).

    1: When marking multiple messages in the message list I press-and-hold the 
shift button and use the up/down arrows.  In every other GUI application this 
will select all entries I move over.  However in KMail's message list shift 
and arrows does nothing.  Any way to get the standard behaviour activated 
here?

    2: When I delete multiple messages KMail appears to send individual copy 
and mark-as-delete commands for each message in the list.  Is there a way to 
configure it so it instead uses IMAP's range command (I think that's it) to 
tell the server to perform actions on batches of messages instead?

    3: I have configured KMail to GPG sign all my messages.  However when I 
send a message that is marked to be signed it throws an error that it cannot 
sign the message.  The error provides a button to view a log of what happened.  
The log is blank.  Also it does not ask for my GPG password.  Known 
workarounds?

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------




From claydoh at midmaine.com  Sun Nov 23 04:13:55 2008
From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:13:55 -0500
Subject: Before I start filing bugs - KMail Help
In-Reply-To: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811222314.06913.claydoh@midmaine.com>

On Saturday 22 November 2008 9:31:08 pm Steve Lamb wrote:
> Hello,
>     Ok, I've decided to give KMail a whirl after the latest round of "how
> to implement reply-to-list" messages in TBird's bugzilla bug for that
> feature. Sick of waiting 8 years for that wart to be removed.  However
> there are some behaviours in KMail which are preventing me from switching
> completely over.  I want to make sure they aren't something I can fix with
> a configuration tweak I am thus far unaware of.  I have gone through the
> entire configuration so either it is something non-obvious, a bug or I'm
> just being oblivious (known to happen).
>
>     1: When marking multiple messages in the message list I press-and-hold
> the shift button and use the up/down arrows.  In every other GUI
> application this will select all entries I move over.  However in KMail's
> message list shift and arrows does nothing.  Any way to get the standard
> behaviour activated here?

afaik, you use the right/left arrrow keys with  the shift key to do multiple 
selections. From my quick look around, there has been much discussion over the 
years on this, as well as bug reports at kde's bugzilla.

You can change shortcuts by going to kmails Settings:Configure Shortcuts, and 
look for the 'extend selection' entries (at least for KDE4, though it should 
be there in KDE3.

>     2: When I delete multiple messages KMail appears to send individual
> copy and mark-as-delete commands for each message in the list.  Is there a
> way to configure it so it instead uses IMAP's range command (I think that's
> it) to tell the server to perform actions on batches of messages instead?

>     3: I have configured KMail to GPG sign all my messages.  However when I
> send a message that is marked to be signed it throws an error that it
> cannot sign the message.  The error provides a button to view a log of what
> happened. The log is blank.  Also it does not ask for my GPG password. 
> Known workarounds?
> --
>          Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
>        PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
> -------------------------------+-------------------------------------------
>--

-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://flyballmaine.com
http://emacdogsports.com
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From grey at dmiyu.org  Sun Nov 23 04:36:15 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:36:15 -0800
Subject: Before I start filing bugs - KMail Help
In-Reply-To: <200811222314.06913.claydoh@midmaine.com>
References: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org>
	<200811222314.06913.claydoh@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <200811222036.15450.grey@dmiyu.org>

On Saturday 22 November 2008 20:13:55 Clay Weber wrote:
> afaik, you use the right/left arrrow keys with  the shift key to do
> multiple selections. From my quick look around, there has been much
> discussion over the years on this, as well as bug reports at kde's
> bugzilla.

    Ah!  Excellent!  Thanks for that information.  And curses, you can sign 
your messages and mine still errors out.  Though I now see why I can't see the 
log.  "Not implemented."  Grrr.

    Any idea how to get it to ask my passphrase?

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------




From grey at dmiyu.org  Sun Nov 23 04:50:25 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:50:25 -0800
Subject: Before I start filing bugs - KMail Help
In-Reply-To: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811222050.25846.grey@dmiyu.org>

On Saturday 22 November 2008 18:31:08 Steve Lamb wrote:
>     2: When I delete multiple messages KMail appears to send individual
> copy and mark-as-delete commands for each message in the list.  Is there a
> way to configure it so it instead uses IMAP's range command (I think that's
> it) to tell the server to perform actions on batches of messages instead?

    A corollary to this would be how do I get KMail to use more than one IMAP 
connection?  I have TBird currently configured to use 2.  The theory being I 
can use one for interactive needs while there is a second for long running 
index downloads, delete/copy/move operations.  It appears that KMail is 
limiting itself to one.  I delete ~600 messages in one folder, switch to 
another and must wait for the delete to finish before the index of the 2nd 
folder is pulled. 

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------




From miron.florea at web.de  Sun Nov 23 08:40:52 2008
From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:40:52 +0200
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49291714.9000901@web.de>

On 11/23/2008 01:21 AM, Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> Have been evaluating  the latest nvidia beta drivers (180.06, 64 bit) and they
> seem to have fixed the screen artefacts that plagued KDE 4. I'm not seeing any
> issues with task bar glyph corruption etc.
>
> However :) On my GF6100 I was seeing bad text corruption, particularly with
> Italic text. Apparently its due to the GlyphCache been enabled for the 6&  7
> series of cards for the first time. The fix is to either disable the glyph
> cache:
>
>    nvidia-settings -a GlyphCache=0
>
> Which apparently will impact performance, though I didn't see any difference,
> or Disable sub-pixel hinting in the anti-aliasing settings.
>
> Both worked, I'm quite pleased with the overall results.
>
> The drives can be downloaded here:
>
>    32 Bit
>    http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_180.06.html
>
>    64 Bit
>    http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_180.06.html	
>
>
> Additionally they include VDPAU - NVidia new API for accelerating video
> playback (PurevideHD for linux basically). I've seen very good reviews and
> benchmarks on this, but you need a 8 Series card or better and patches to
> mplayer to use it. No doubt support for this will work its way into xine (and
> hence kaffine), MythTV etc.
>
>    VDPAU
>    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_180_vdpau&num=1
>
>
>    
In addition to GlyphCache=0 I also had to set the InitialPixmapPlacement 
to 0 to get rid of the text corruption. Disabling hinting solved the 
issue, but text then became quite ugly.
The 180.08 version caused my screen to flicker frequently, whereas 
180.06 behaves normally. Both driver version fix the rendering glitches 
experienced so far (taskbar, system tray, gtk-apps, etc).



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 09:01:55 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:01:55 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,	and Nubies like
	me.
In-Reply-To: <200811222204.32209.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>	<200811222104.46723.kassube@gmx.net>
	<200811222204.32209.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <49291C03.6090000@sbcglobal.net>

nepal wrote:
> On Saturday 22 Nov 2008, Nils Kassube wrote:
>   
>> Yes, obviously you understand what's going on. If you
>> want to learn more about the command line and basics of
>> the hardware, you may have a look at the rutebook
>> package. After you have installed that package you can
>> start reading with the file
>> "/usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html". I think it
>> explains those things much better than I can.
>>     
>
> Yes, I learned much from the Rute manual in my earlier days 
> with Linux (and could have learned more) ;)
>
> Also for the command line there is the excellent;
>
>   http://linuxcommand.org/
>
> which I found best of all.
>
> nepal.
>
>   
Dear Nepal,

I have been playing with settings and gotten myself into a pickle.  It 
sounded pretty good to have 'focus' follows the mouse, however, I may 
have set some other configuration that I don't particularly like.  Right 
now, I don't know how to move a window by dragging.  Is that the way it 
is supposed to be.  I don't seem to be able to resize a window either.  
Also, the menu bar has almost disappeared.  Where I was playing around, 
I have tried restoring defaults, however, it doesn't seem to change.  I 
got carried away in settings and configuration when I just started into 
'learning the shell'.  Is there a way to start over with original settings?

Did focus follows the cursor cause all this?

I feel like an idiot.

Steven



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 23 09:26:24 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:26:24 +0000
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=09and_Nubies_like?= me.
In-Reply-To: <49291C03.6090000@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811222204.32209.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<49291C03.6090000@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811230926.24855.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> nepal wrote:
> > On Saturday 22 Nov 2008, Nils Kassube wrote:
> >> Yes, obviously you understand what's going on. If you
> >> want to learn more about the command line and basics
> >> of the hardware, you may have a look at the rutebook
> >> package. After you have installed that package you can
> >> start reading with the file
> >> "/usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html". I think it
> >> explains those things much better than I can.
> >
> > Yes, I learned much from the Rute manual in my earlier
> > days with Linux (and could have learned more) ;)
> >
> > Also for the command line there is the excellent;
> >
> >   http://linuxcommand.org/
> >
> > which I found best of all.
> >
> > nepal.
>
> Dear Nepal,
>
> I have been playing with settings and gotten myself into
> a pickle.  It sounded pretty good to have 'focus' follows
> the mouse, however, I may have set some other
> configuration that I don't particularly like.  Right now,
> I don't know how to move a window by dragging.  Is that
> the way it is supposed to be.  I don't seem to be able to
> resize a window either. Also, the menu bar has almost
> disappeared.  Where I was playing around, I have tried
> restoring defaults, however, it doesn't seem to change. 
> I got carried away in settings and configuration when I
> just started into 'learning the shell'.  Is there a way
> to start over with original settings?

I'm not sure but this can be done safely. In your file 
manager navigate to /home/$USER/.kde/share/config

In the list of files, find the file kwinrc, right click it 
with the mouse and select rename. rename it to something 
like kwinrc.old and hit enter. Rather than delete the file, 
this way you can always go back to it and change the name 
back to what it was if things don't work out.

AFAIU, when there are configuration problems with any kde 
software, deleting the config file resets everything to 
defaults the next time the software is run. I have done 
this numerous times with kmail for example. IMO this was a 
truly kind act of the programmers. :)

As kwin is the window manager (I think) you will have to log 
out and back in again for the change to be effected, and 
hopefully you'll have your default settings back.

> Did focus follows the cursor cause all this?

I wouldn't think so, no.
>
> I feel like an idiot.

You hit the jackpot then, you got me! ;)

> Steven

nepal.



From fred.schaer at free.fr  Sun Nov 23 09:46:13 2008
From: fred.schaer at free.fr (Frederic Schaer)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:46:13 +0100
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <49281880.8000904@sbcglobal.net>
References: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net>	<4594384.PmoyBxB3Gi@cedar.serverforest.com>	<4927DAC9.6030608@free.fr>
	<49281880.8000904@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49292665.1040103@free.fr>


Steven Vollom a écrit :
> Frederic Schaer wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm coming after the battle, but if smart reports there are bad blocks
>> (using the previous given smartctl -a /dev/sdXX command), given the
>> price of hard drives and given the price of your own data integrity
>> (your data has no price, does it ?), I would directly go buy a new disk...
>>
>>
>>     
>>> NO!  Bad blocks are BAD.  You map them out because they can NEVER be trusted.
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>   
>>     
> Dear Derek,
>
> I feel like a friend with all at the 'List' now, so I will embarrass 
> myself a bit.  I am a  retired fine-artist that never made a lot of 
> money.  (It is obvious that 'fine' doesn't mean the quality of my work, 
> for I have not earned much from the task; it just means that art is what 
> I do for a living.)  Consequently, when I had to retire and live on my 
> Social Security, (I could never save for old age.) it was an amount that 
> most people pay in tips each month.  So I am just too poor to solve a 
> problem by purchasing something, unless I am absolutely sure the 
> something is really broken.  Knowing that, is not an easy thing, when 
> you are as inhibited intellectually as I am.  But even if the 'List' got 
> frustrated enough to boot me off, I will not stop trying to learn this 
> stuff.  I will still be struggling to learn this system, when I am 
> looking up at the roots of grass, with a 'Here Lies' marker at my head.  
> I will not give up.  I am not a quitter.
>
>   
Hi,

I'm sorry, I did not really mean that the easiest thing to do was buy a
new disk : what I meant was that if badblock or smart starts telling you
there are several bad blocks (lots of ?), you should really think about
buying a new disk because yours is failing, and you will soon loose data :'(
I've not seen a drive loosing sectors (blocks) without dying shortly
after that

I haven't seen the results of previous commands you were asked to run,
so could you please try this :

sudo apt-get install smartmontools
sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb

Hopefully this will give you lots of output. If it does, please post the
lines that look like this :

5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036    Pre-fail 
Always       -       0
...
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age  
Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age  
Offline      -       0

And be aware that if the last number (0 for me) is not 0 , your drive
already knows about bad blocks and tried to or reallocated some already.
If that number is high (more than ... I don't know : 100 ?), you're
really going to be in trouble.

If the above command (smartctl) doesn't give you any output... errhhh...
you might try badblocks on the drive.
Be warned however : keep backups of your data (just in case...) !!

sudo badblocks -n /dev/sdb

This is going to be veeeeerrryyyyyy slow though.

Regards



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 10:00:58 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:00:58 +1000
Subject: Spam:****,
	Re: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <49291714.9000901@web.de>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<49291714.9000901@web.de>
Message-ID: <200811232000.59256.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:40:52 pm Octavian Florea wrote:
>
> In addition to GlyphCache=0 I also had to set the InitialPixmapPlacement
> to 0 to get rid of the text corruption.

Thanks, I'll try that as well

> Disabling hinting solved the
> issue, but text then became quite ugly.

yes, its not good.

> The 180.08 version caused my screen to flicker frequently, 

Interesting, I'm not seeing that all, what chipset do you have? (6100 here)


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 10:26:33 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:26:33 -0500
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <49292665.1040103@free.fr>
References: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net>	<4594384.PmoyBxB3Gi@cedar.serverforest.com>	<4927DAC9.6030608@free.fr>	<49281880.8000904@sbcglobal.net>
	<49292665.1040103@free.fr>
Message-ID: <49292FD9.5030009@sbcglobal.net>

Frederic Schaer wrote:
> Steven Vollom a écrit :
>   
>> Frederic Schaer wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm coming after the battle, but if smart reports there are bad blocks
>>> (using the previous given smartctl -a /dev/sdXX command), given the
>>> price of hard drives and given the price of your own data integrity
>>> (your data has no price, does it ?), I would directly go buy a new disk...
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> NO!  Bad blocks are BAD.  You map them out because they can NEVER be trusted.
>>>>   
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> Dear Derek,
>>
>> I feel like a friend with all at the 'List' now, so I will embarrass 
>> myself a bit.  I am a  retired fine-artist that never made a lot of 
>> money.  (It is obvious that 'fine' doesn't mean the quality of my work, 
>> for I have not earned much from the task; it just means that art is what 
>> I do for a living.)  Consequently, when I had to retire and live on my 
>> Social Security, (I could never save for old age.) it was an amount that 
>> most people pay in tips each month.  So I am just too poor to solve a 
>> problem by purchasing something, unless I am absolutely sure the 
>> something is really broken.  Knowing that, is not an easy thing, when 
>> you are as inhibited intellectually as I am.  But even if the 'List' got 
>> frustrated enough to boot me off, I will not stop trying to learn this 
>> stuff.  I will still be struggling to learn this system, when I am 
>> looking up at the roots of grass, with a 'Here Lies' marker at my head.  
>> I will not give up.  I am not a quitter.
>>
>>   
>>     
> Hi,
>
> I'm sorry, I did not really mean that the easiest thing to do was buy a
> new disk : what I meant was that if badblock or smart starts telling you
> there are several bad blocks (lots of ?), you should really think about
> buying a new disk because yours is failing, and you will soon loose data :'(
> I've not seen a drive loosing sectors (blocks) without dying shortly
> after that
>
> I haven't seen the results of previous commands you were asked to run,
> so could you please try this :
>
> sudo apt-get install smartmontools
> sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb
>
> Hopefully this will give you lots of output. If it does, please post the
> lines that look like this :
>
> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036    Pre-fail 
> Always       -       0
> ...
> 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age  
> Always       -       0
> 198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age  
> Offline      -       0
>
> And be aware that if the last number (0 for me) is not 0 , your drive
> already knows about bad blocks and tried to or reallocated some already.
> If that number is high (more than ... I don't know : 100 ?), you're
> really going to be in trouble.
>
> If the above command (smartctl) doesn't give you any output... errhhh...
> you might try badblocks on the drive.
> Be warned however : keep backups of your data (just in case...) !!
>
> sudo badblocks -n /dev/sdb
>
> This is going to be veeeeerrryyyyyy slow though.
>
> Regards
>
>   
This kind of report overwhelms me at my level of understanding.  Could 
you take a look and give an opinion on the health of the drive?  Please 
point out serious concerns?



SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   193   189   063    Pre-fail  
Always       -       15420
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   252   252   000    Old_age   
Always       -       2112
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   253   253   063    Pre-fail  
Always       -       1
  6 Read_Channel_Margin     0x0001   253   253   100    Pre-fail  
Offline      -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000a   253   252   000    Old_age   
Always       -       0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0027   252   244   187    Pre-fail  
Always       -       36594
  9 Power_On_Minutes        0x0032   179   179   000    Old_age   
Always       -       804h+02m
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x002b   253   246   157    Pre-fail  
Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x002b   253   252   223    Pre-fail  
Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   248   248   000    Old_age   
Always       -       2249
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   253   253   000    Old_age   
Always       -       0
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   253   253   000    Old_age   
Always       -       0
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0032   253   253   000    Old_age   
Always       -       31
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x000a   253   252   000    Old_age   
Always       -       4355
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0008   253   253   000    Old_age   
Offline      -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0008   253   253   000    Old_age   
Offline      -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   253   253   000    Old_age   
Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0008   199   199   000    Old_age   
Offline      -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x000a   253   252   000    Old_age   
Always       -       0
201 Soft_Read_Error_Rate    0x000a   253   248   000    Old_age   
Always       -       64
202 TA_Increase_Count       0x000a   253   252   000    Old_age   
Always       -       0
203 Run_Out_Cancel          0x000b   253   252   180    Pre-fail  
Always       -       1
204 Shock_Count_Write_Opern 0x000a   253   252   000    Old_age   
Always       -       0
205 Shock_Rate_Write_Opern  0x000a   253   252   000    Old_age   
Always       -       0
207 Spin_High_Current       0x002a   253   246   000    Old_age   
Always       -       0
208 Spin_Buzz               0x002a   253   252   000    Old_age   
Always       -       0
209 Offline_Seek_Performnce 0x0024   201   199   000    Old_age   
Offline      -       0
 99 Unknown_Attribute       0x0004   253   253   000    Old_age   
Offline      -       0
100 Unknown_Attribute       0x0004   253   253   000    Old_age   
Offline      -       0
101 Unknown_Attribute       0x0004   253   253   000    Old_age   
Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
Warning: ATA error count 11 inconsistent with error log pointer 5

ATA Error Count: 11 (device log contains only the most recent five errors)
        CR = Command Register [HEX]
        FR = Features Register [HEX]
        SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
        SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
        CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
        CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
        DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
        DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
        ER = Error register [HEX]
        ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

Error 11 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 13012 hours (542 days + 4 
hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an 
unknown state.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  84 51 00 00 00 00 f0  Error: ICRC, ABRT at LBA = 0x00000000 = 0

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  c8 ff 01 00 00 00 f0 08      00:07:26.176  READ DMA
  ef 03 46 b3 60 1f f0 08      00:07:26.176  SET FEATURES [Set transfer 
mode]
  c6 ff 10 b3 60 1f f0 08      00:07:26.176  SET MULTIPLE MODE
  10 ff 50 b3 60 1f f0 08      00:07:26.160  RECALIBRATE [OBS-4]
  91 ff 3f 00 00 00 ff 08      00:07:26.160  INITIALIZE DEVICE 
PARAMETERS [OBS-6]

Error 10 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 13012 hours (542 days + 4 
hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an 
unknown state.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  84 51 00 00 00 00 f0  Error: ICRC, ABRT at LBA = 0x00000000 = 0

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  c8 ff 01 00 00 00 f0 08      00:06:12.992  READ DMA
  ef 03 46 fc e2 5d f0 08      00:06:12.992  SET FEATURES [Set transfer 
mode]
  c6 ff 10 fc e2 5d f0 08      00:06:12.992  SET MULTIPLE MODE
  10 ff 50 fc e2 5d f0 08      00:06:12.976  RECALIBRATE [OBS-4]
  91 ff 3f 00 00 00 ff 08      00:06:12.976  INITIALIZE DEVICE 
PARAMETERS [OBS-6]

Error 9 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 13012 hours (542 days + 4 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an 
unknown state.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  84 51 00 00 00 00 f0  Error: ICRC, ABRT at LBA = 0x00000000 = 0

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  c8 ff 01 00 00 00 f0 08      00:06:05.344  READ DMA
  ef 03 46 05 26 db f0 08      00:06:05.344  SET FEATURES [Set transfer 
mode]
  c6 ff 10 05 26 db f0 08      00:06:05.344  SET MULTIPLE MODE
  10 ff 50 05 26 db f0 08      00:06:05.328  RECALIBRATE [OBS-4]
  91 ff 3f 00 00 00 ff 08      00:06:05.328  INITIALIZE DEVICE 
PARAMETERS [OBS-6]

Error 8 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 13012 hours (542 days + 4 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an 
unknown state.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  84 51 00 00 00 00 f0  Error: ICRC, ABRT at LBA = 0x00000000 = 0

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  c8 ff 01 00 00 00 f0 08      00:05:57.696  READ DMA
  ef 03 46 0f e3 1e f0 08      00:05:57.696  SET FEATURES [Set transfer 
mode]
  c6 ff 10 0f e3 1e f0 08      00:05:57.696  SET MULTIPLE MODE
  10 ff 50 0f e3 1e f0 08      00:05:57.680  RECALIBRATE [OBS-4]
  91 ff 3f 00 00 00 ff 08      00:05:57.680  INITIALIZE DEVICE 
PARAMETERS [OBS-6]

Error 7 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 13012 hours (542 days + 4 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an 
unknown state.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  84 51 00 00 00 00 f0  Error: ICRC, ABRT at LBA = 0x00000000 = 0

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  c8 ff 01 00 00 00 f0 08      00:05:50.048  READ DMA
  c6 03 10 3f fe 3f b0 08      00:05:47.872  SET MULTIPLE MODE
  ef 03 46 3f fe 3f b0 08      00:05:47.872  SET FEATURES [Set transfer 
mode]
  40 00 01 3f fe 3f bf 08      00:05:47.872  READ VERIFY SECTOR(S)
  10 00 3f 3f 00 00 bf 08      00:05:47.856  RECALIBRATE [OBS-4]



steven at Studio25:~$                                                         



From miron.florea at web.de  Sun Nov 23 10:26:45 2008
From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:26:45 +0200
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <200811232000.59256.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<49291714.9000901@web.de>
	<200811232000.59256.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49292FE5.1050200@web.de>

On 11/23/2008 12:00 PM, Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> Interesting, I'm not seeing that all, what chipset do you have? (6100 
> here)

I have a GeForce Go 7300 on a Toshiba Satellite A200.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 10:37:35 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:37:35 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert, and Nubies like
	me.
In-Reply-To: <200811230926.24855.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>	<200811222204.32209.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<49291C03.6090000@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811230926.24855.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4929326F.8080302@sbcglobal.net>


>
> AFAIU, when there are configuration problems with any kde 
> software, deleting the config file resets everything to 
> defaults the next time the software is run. I have done 
> this numerous times with kmail for example. IMO this was a 
> truly kind act of the programmers. :)
>   
Is the config file you are suggesting deleting /.kde/share/config  ?
> As kwin is the window manager (I think) you will have to log 
> out and back in again for the change to be effected, and 
> hopefully you'll have your default settings back.
>
>   
>> Did focus follows the cursor cause all this?
>>     
>
> I wouldn't think so, no.
>   
>> I feel like an idiot.
>>     
>
> You hit the jackpot then, you got me! ;)
>
>   
>> Steven
>>     
>
> nepal.
>
>   




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 10:43:43 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:43:43 +1000
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <49291714.9000901@web.de>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<49291714.9000901@web.de>
Message-ID: <200811232043.44006.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:40:52 pm Octavian Florea wrote:

BTW do you have an opinion on the best way to auto run nvidia-settings? I 
tried placing it in 

  /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc

but that didn't work, so I currently have it in the KDE 4 autostart. I would 
prefer something more global than that though.

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From miron.florea at web.de  Sun Nov 23 11:07:28 2008
From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:07:28 +0200
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <200811232043.44006.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<49291714.9000901@web.de>
	<200811232043.44006.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49293970.2060508@web.de>

On 11/23/2008 12:43 PM, Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:40:52 pm Octavian Florea wrote:
>
> BTW do you have an opinion on the best way to auto run nvidia-settings? I
> tried placing it in
>
>    /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
>
> but that didn't work, so I currently have it in the KDE 4 autostart. I would
> prefer something more global than that though.
>
>    
You could try adding a line to crontab with an @reboot string.
Or maybe place a script in /etc/init.d , but I´m into uncharted 
territory here :)



From jtnews at mail2004.dnsalias.org  Sun Nov 23 11:51:47 2008
From: jtnews at mail2004.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:51:47 +0100
Subject: Before I start filing bugs - KMail Help
References: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <ggbg4k$5g0$1@ger.gmane.org>

Steve Lamb wrote:

> Ok, I've decided to give KMail a whirl after the latest round of "how to
> implement reply-to-list" messages in TBird's bugzilla bug for that
> feature. Sick of waiting 8 years for that wart to be removed.  However
Oh, any news on that topic? I was subscribed for the bug a few years ago but as you know, nothing happens. AFAIK KMail and mutt are the only mail applications which have useful reply functions...

> 1: When marking multiple messages in the message list I press-and-hold the
> shift button and use the up/down arrows.  In every other GUI application
> this will select all entries I move over.  However in KMail's message list
> shift and arrows does nothing.  Any way to get the standard behaviour
> activated here?
I think this is because up/down are connected to the message preview window. afaik p/n are used for scrolling in the message list. You can redefine that of course.
 
> 3: I have configured KMail to GPG sign all my messages.  However when I
> send a message that is marked to be signed it throws an error that it
> cannot sign the message.  The error provides a button to view a log of
> what happened. The log is blank.  Also it does not ask for my GPG
> password.  Known workarounds?
Yes, I'm still looking for that. It is because of the agent which asks for the passphrase. If you looked at the console you'd see kmail asks for the password there ;-) However there should be a GUI askpass application available. It is not KMail's fault alone, but the (k)ubuntu packager should have preconfigured that, I think.

So far, once I found the solution I'll post it.


Jan




From grey at dmiyu.org  Sun Nov 23 12:23:10 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:23:10 -0800
Subject: Before I start filing bugs - KMail Help
In-Reply-To: <ggbg4k$5g0$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org> <ggbg4k$5g0$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811230423.10507.grey@dmiyu.org>

On Sunday 23 November 2008 03:51:47 Jan Torben Heuer wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Ok, I've decided to give KMail a whirl after the latest round of "how to
> > implement reply-to-list" messages in TBird's bugzilla bug for that
> > feature. Sick of waiting 8 years for that wart to be removed.  However

> Oh, any news on that topic? I was subscribed for the bug a few years ago
> but as you know, nothing happens. AFAIK KMail and mutt are the only mail
> applications which have useful reply functions...

    It is still in the bicycle shed.  People still think that it is better not 
to have it implemented than to have it implemented in a manner that is not 
"obvious" and "intuitive".  I even posted to it basically saying, "JUST DO 
IT!!!" caps and all.  My post was called unproductive.  Psh, like 8 years of 
"well, it should be done this way" has helped.  *sigh*  

    And, no, it isn't just KMail and mutt.  Claws also does it, as does pine, 
Squirrelmail (with a plugin but it is installed by default, just not enabled) 
and I believe elmo.  IE, TBird is pretty much the only one that doesn't do it 
because they can't decide if they want another button or to consolidate into a 
drop-down off reply and change behavior based on folder message context.  To 
me it is obvious.  Everyone else changes behavior based on folder context and 
don't seem to have an uproar from the users on that front.  Grrrrr.

> I think this is because up/down are connected to the message preview
> window. afaik p/n are used for scrolling in the message list. You can
> redefine that of course.

    Well, that is just dumb.  My focus is in the message list and I have the 
preview pane turned off.  Completely counter-intuitive even if I were using 
the standard setup.  

> Yes, I'm still looking for that. It is because of the agent which asks for
> the passphrase. If you looked at the console you'd see kmail asks for the
> password there ;-) However there should be a GUI askpass application
> available. It is not KMail's fault alone, but the (k)ubuntu packager should
> have preconfigured that, I think.

    ....   I look forward to that and will attempt to keep from boggling to 
much at the design decisions of KMail.  To answer one of my own questions 
KMail can't use multiple IMAP connections to the server (well, easily) because 
it doesn't to the communication itself.  It foists that off to a KIO_slave 
which, for some reason or another, cannot do everything that is needed to 
implement the full range of IMAP (IDLE being a prime example).  Between the 
single-connection and the lack of use on the RANGE command I'm tempted to just 
switch back to mbsync for this VM and tell KMail to get its mail from the 
local disc.  :/

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 23 12:52:49 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:52:49 +0000
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,
	and Nubies like me.
In-Reply-To: <4929326F.8080302@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811230926.24855.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<4929326F.8080302@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811231252.49617.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> Is the config file you are suggesting deleting
> /.kde/share/config  ?

Read the first two sentences of my original mail again.

nepal




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 13:01:47 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:01:47 +0000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
Message-ID: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>

<rant>
I hate System Settings!
</rant>

For the first time since I reinstalled, I have to print something out.  
Of course, my printer needs configuring.  So easy in KControl...  
Peripherals/Printers.  <sigh>

I open System Settings and find... nothing about the printer. Zilch.  
Nada.  Nowt.

I could configure my joystick, if I had one, but not my printer.  I 
wonder what percentage of users have joysticks compared to those who 
have printers?

Assuming for a moment that the developers of System Settings didn't have 
a brain fart and leave the printer config dialog out completely, where 
did they hide it?????

I realise that I have to get used to KDE4 and things are different, but 
come on!  No printer config??????????????????

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 13:08:32 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:08:32 +1000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:01:47 pm Wulfy wrote:
> <rant>
> I hate System Settings!
> </rant>
>
> For the first time since I reinstalled, I have to print something out.
> Of course, my printer needs configuring.  So easy in KControl...
> Peripherals/Printers.  <sigh>
>
> I open System Settings and find... nothing about the printer. Zilch.
> Nada.  Nowt.
>
> I could configure my joystick, if I had one, but not my printer.  I
> wonder what percentage of users have joysticks compared to those who
> have printers?
>
> Assuming for a moment that the developers of System Settings didn't have
> a brain fart and leave the printer config dialog out completely, where
> did they hide it?????
>
> I realise that I have to get used to KDE4 and things are different, but
> come on!  No printer config??????????????????


Yes ...

KMenu|Applications|Settings|Printing

God knows why its not in System Settings

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 13:10:57 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:10:57 +0200
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49295661.2090104@gmail.com>

Wulfy wrote:
> <rant>
> I hate System Settings!
> </rant>
> 
> For the first time since I reinstalled, I have to print something out.  
> Of course, my printer needs configuring.  So easy in KControl...  
> Peripherals/Printers.  <sigh>
> 
> I open System Settings and find... nothing about the printer. Zilch.  
> Nada.  Nowt.
> 
> I could configure my joystick, if I had one, but not my printer.  I 
> wonder what percentage of users have joysticks compared to those who 
> have printers?
> 
> Assuming for a moment that the developers of System Settings didn't have 
> a brain fart and leave the printer config dialog out completely, where 
> did they hide it?????
> 
> I realise that I have to get used to KDE4 and things are different, but 
> come on!  No printer config??????????????????
> 

open your web browser, and go to the following link:
http://127.0.0.1:631
this will give you the CUPS web interface

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From d.mcglone at att.net  Sun Nov 23 13:18:19 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:18:19 -0500
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200811230818.19788.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Sunday 23 November 2008 8:01:47 am Wulfy wrote:
> <rant>
> I hate System Settings!
> </rant>
>
> For the first time since I reinstalled, I have to print something out.
> Of course, my printer needs configuring.  So easy in KControl...
> Peripherals/Printers.  <sigh>
>
> I open System Settings and find... nothing about the printer. Zilch.
> Nada.  Nowt.
>
> I could configure my joystick, if I had one, but not my printer.  I
> wonder what percentage of users have joysticks compared to those who
> have printers?
>
> Assuming for a moment that the developers of System Settings didn't have
> a brain fart and leave the printer config dialog out completely, where
> did they hide it?????
>
> I realise that I have to get used to KDE4 and things are different, but
> come on!  No printer config??????????????????

Do you have an HP printer? if so you can use HP printer toolbox, if not use 
the cups web interface.
-- 
David M.



From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 13:49:26 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:49:26 +0000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49295F66.1050303@tiscali.co.uk>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> Yes ...
>
> KMenu|Applications|Settings|Printing
>
> God knows why its not in System Settings
>
>   
I switched back to the kickoff menu and checked...  no printing there.

NVidia, Java, QT and Wallet...

Gods know why they had to scrap KControl.  I knew where everything was 
in that...

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 13:53:08 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:53:08 +0000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <49295661.2090104@gmail.com>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk> <49295661.2090104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49296044.6090809@tiscali.co.uk>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Wulfy wrote:
>> <rant>
>> I hate System Settings!
>> </rant>
>>
>> For the first time since I reinstalled, I have to print something 
>> out.  Of course, my printer needs configuring.  So easy in 
>> KControl...  Peripherals/Printers.  <sigh>
>>
>> I open System Settings and find... nothing about the printer. Zilch.  
>> Nada.  Nowt.
>>
>> I could configure my joystick, if I had one, but not my printer.  I 
>> wonder what percentage of users have joysticks compared to those who 
>> have printers?
>>
>> Assuming for a moment that the developers of System Settings didn't 
>> have a brain fart and leave the printer config dialog out completely, 
>> where did they hide it?????
>>
>> I realise that I have to get used to KDE4 and things are different, 
>> but come on!  No printer config??????????????????
>>
>
> open your web browser, and go to the following link:
> http://127.0.0.1:631
> this will give you the CUPS web interface
>
Thanks, Willy...

I get as far as the Devide URI...  I have no idea what to put there.  
Kcontrol was *so* much easier than this!  grrr

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 13:57:16 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:57:16 +0000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811230818.19788.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811230818.19788.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <4929613C.6010007@tiscali.co.uk>

David McGlone wrote:
> Do you have an HP printer? if so you can use HP printer toolbox, if not use 
> the cups web interface.
>   
Thanks, David...

I tried hp-setup but it can't find my printer!!!  I'm totally confused now.

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 13:58:02 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:58:02 +0200
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <49295F66.1050303@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>	<200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<49295F66.1050303@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4929616A.40609@gmail.com>

Wulfy wrote:
> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>> Yes ...
>>
>> KMenu|Applications|Settings|Printing
>>
>> God knows why its not in System Settings
>>
>>   
> I switched back to the kickoff menu and checked...  no printing there.
> 
> NVidia, Java, QT and Wallet...
> 
> Gods know why they had to scrap KControl.  I knew where everything was 
> in that...
> 

the same program can be accessed with this command from alt+f2 or from 
konsole:
system-config-printer

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 14:03:10 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:03:10 +0000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4929616A.40609@gmail.com>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>	<200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<49295F66.1050303@tiscali.co.uk>
	<4929616A.40609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4929629E.40104@tiscali.co.uk>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Wulfy wrote:
>> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>>> Yes ...
>>>
>>> KMenu|Applications|Settings|Printing
>>>
>>> God knows why its not in System Settings
>>>
>>>   
>> I switched back to the kickoff menu and checked...  no printing there.
>>
>> NVidia, Java, QT and Wallet...
>>
>> Gods know why they had to scrap KControl.  I knew where everything 
>> was in that...
>>
>
> the same program can be accessed with this command from alt+f2 or from 
> konsole:
> system-config-printer
>
wulfy at wulfy-desktop:~/Desktop$ system-config-printer
The program 'system-config-printer' is currently not installed.  You can 
install it by typing:
sudo apt-get install system-config-printer-gnome
bash: system-config-printer: command not found
wulfy at wulfy-desktop:~/Desktop$

Now why should I have to install a GNOME program??????????

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 14:06:53 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:06:53 +0000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4929616A.40609@gmail.com>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>	<200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<49295F66.1050303@tiscali.co.uk>
	<4929616A.40609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4929637D.2090603@tiscali.co.uk>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Wulfy wrote:
>> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>>> Yes ...
>>>
>>> KMenu|Applications|Settings|Printing
>>>
>>> God knows why its not in System Settings
>>>
>>>   
>> I switched back to the kickoff menu and checked...  no printing there.
>>
>> NVidia, Java, QT and Wallet...
>>
>> Gods know why they had to scrap KControl.  I knew where everything 
>> was in that...
>>
>
> the same program can be accessed with this command from alt+f2 or from 
> konsole:
> system-config-printer
>
I found system-config-printer-kde in aptitude.  Eunning this gives me 
access to the printer config but still, the device URI is wrong...

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 14:13:39 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:13:39 -0500
Subject: Before I start filing bugs - KMail Help
In-Reply-To: <200811230423.10507.grey@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org> <ggbg4k$5g0$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811230423.10507.grey@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811230613w358c79dbje0749e3db3871608@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Steve Lamb <grey at dmiyu.org> wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008 03:51:47 Jan Torben Heuer wrote:
>> Steve Lamb wrote:
>> > Ok, I've decided to give KMail a whirl after the latest round of "how to
>> > implement reply-to-list" messages in TBird's bugzilla bug for that
>> > feature. Sick of waiting 8 years for that wart to be removed.  However
>
>> Oh, any news on that topic? I was subscribed for the bug a few years ago
>> but as you know, nothing happens. AFAIK KMail and mutt are the only mail
>> applications which have useful reply functions...
>
>    It is still in the bicycle shed.  People still think that it is better not
> to have it implemented than to have it implemented in a manner that is not
> "obvious" and "intuitive".  I even posted to it basically saying, "JUST DO
> IT!!!" caps and all.  My post was called unproductive.  Psh, like 8 years of
> "well, it should be done this way" has helped.  *sigh*
>
>    And, no, it isn't just KMail and mutt.  Claws also does it, as does pine,
> Squirrelmail (with a plugin but it is installed by default, just not enabled)
> and I believe elmo.  IE, TBird is pretty much the only one that doesn't do it
> because they can't decide if they want another button or to consolidate into a
> drop-down off reply and change behavior based on folder message context.  To
> me it is obvious.  Everyone else changes behavior based on folder context and
> don't seem to have an uproar from the users on that front.  Grrrrr.
>
>> I think this is because up/down are connected to the message preview
>> window. afaik p/n are used for scrolling in the message list. You can
>> redefine that of course.
>
>    Well, that is just dumb.  My focus is in the message list and I have the
> preview pane turned off.  Completely counter-intuitive even if I were using
> the standard setup.
>
>> Yes, I'm still looking for that. It is because of the agent which asks for
>> the passphrase. If you looked at the console you'd see kmail asks for the
>> password there ;-) However there should be a GUI askpass application
>> available. It is not KMail's fault alone, but the (k)ubuntu packager should
>> have preconfigured that, I think.
>
>    ....   I look forward to that and will attempt to keep from boggling to
> much at the design decisions of KMail.  To answer one of my own questions
> KMail can't use multiple IMAP connections to the server (well, easily) because
> it doesn't to the communication itself.  It foists that off to a KIO_slave
> which, for some reason or another, cannot do everything that is needed to
> implement the full range of IMAP (IDLE being a prime example).  Between the
> single-connection and the lack of use on the RANGE command I'm tempted to just
> switch back to mbsync for this VM and tell KMail to get its mail from the
> local disc.  :/

Yeah.  Make sure you have the package gpg-agent installed to get the
pinentry prompt.  Should have installed as a dependency.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 14:17:08 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:17:08 +0000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10 SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <4929637D.2090603@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>	<200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<49295F66.1050303@tiscali.co.uk>	<4929616A.40609@gmail.com>
	<4929637D.2090603@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <492965E4.3090201@tiscali.co.uk>

Wulfy wrote:
> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
>   
>> Wulfy wrote:
>>     
>>> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Yes ...
>>>>
>>>> KMenu|Applications|Settings|Printing
>>>>
>>>> God knows why its not in System Settings
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>         
>>> I switched back to the kickoff menu and checked...  no printing there.
>>>
>>> NVidia, Java, QT and Wallet...
>>>
>>> Gods know why they had to scrap KControl.  I knew where everything 
>>> was in that...
>>>
>>>       
>> the same program can be accessed with this command from alt+f2 or from 
>> konsole:
>> system-config-printer
>>
>>     
> I found system-config-printer-kde in aptitude.  Eunning this gives me 
> access to the printer config but still, the device URI is wrong...
>
>   
I got it to find my printer and finally got it to print!  Woohoo!

I told it to find printers attached to the parallel port and it found 
it!  :@)

Thanks to all who helped!  :@)

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From jtnews at mail2004.dnsalias.org  Sun Nov 23 14:18:51 2008
From: jtnews at mail2004.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:18:51 +0100
Subject: Before I start filing bugs - KMail Help
References: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org> <ggbg4k$5g0$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811230423.10507.grey@dmiyu.org>
	<5a1f6bd00811230613w358c79dbje0749e3db3871608@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ggbooc$ssn$1@ger.gmane.org>

Art Alexion wrote:

> Yeah.  Make sure you have the package gpg-agent installed to get the
> pinentry prompt.  Should have installed as a dependency.

you need pinentry-gtk2 for example (-qt4 is broken, someone said). check the gnupg-agent config file for the corrent pinentry application.

Works for me now!

Jan




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 16:47:43 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:47:43 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,	and Nubies like
	me.
In-Reply-To: <200811231252.49617.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>	<200811230926.24855.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<4929326F.8080302@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231252.49617.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4929892F.9000109@sbcglobal.net>

nepal wrote:
> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Is the config file you are suggesting deleting
>> /.kde/share/config  ?
>>     
>
> Read the first two sentences of my original mail again.
>
> nepal
>
>
>   
Did you originate the original email?  I looked in my folder where every 
email that contains code is placed.  There are only two with your name.  
I am having trouble finding the original.  I am concerned that I may 
have perhaps reduced some of the content of an email to make it smaller, 
leaving only the salient parts.  I may have erased the original if it 
had been reduced.  Or, it may have a kubuntu Help and User Discussions 
reply address.  It will take a while for me to find it.  There are a 
couple of hundred with that address in my file.  Thanks!  I am going to 
have to make a better way to identify and save my saved emails.

steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 17:02:08 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:02:08 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,	and Nubies like
	me.
In-Reply-To: <200811231252.49617.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>	<200811230926.24855.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<4929326F.8080302@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231252.49617.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <49298C90.7040108@sbcglobal.net>

nepal wrote:
> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Is the config file you are suggesting deleting
>> /.kde/share/config  ?
>>     
>
> Read the first two sentences of my original mail again.
>
> nepal
>
>
>   
It looked like our conversation was on an email for Nils, I am not sure, 
anyway, I have looked through both my saved email folders and can't find 
it.  There are a bunch.  I am going to take it that /.kde/share/config 
is not a folder to delete.  I will keep looking.

Steven



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Sun Nov 23 17:42:36 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:42:36 +0100
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4929613C.6010007@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>	<200811230818.19788.d.mcglone@att.net>
	<4929613C.6010007@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ggc4mc$j4$1@ger.gmane.org>

Wulfy wrote:
> David McGlone wrote:
>> Do you have an HP printer? if so you can use HP printer toolbox, if not use 
>> the cups web interface.
>>   
> Thanks, David...
> 
> I tried hp-setup but it can't find my printer!!!  I'm totally confused now.
> 
I wonder, that since 11 mails, you did not mention what printer you have 
and how it is connected to your machine. And nobody asked....

regards
Eberhard




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 23 17:45:15 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:45:15 +0000
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=09and_Nubies_like?= me.
In-Reply-To: <49298C90.7040108@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231252.49617.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<49298C90.7040108@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811231745.15283.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> nepal wrote:
> > On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> Is the config file you are suggesting deleting
> >> /.kde/share/config  ?
> >
> > Read the first two sentences of my original mail again.
> >
> > nepal
>
> It looked like our conversation was on an email for Nils,
> I am not sure, anyway, I have looked through both my
> saved email folders and can't find it.  There are a
> bunch.  I am going to take it that /.kde/share/config is
> not a folder to delete.  I will keep looking.
>
> Steven

This is what I wrote;

On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, nepal wrote:
> I'm not sure but this can be done safely. In your file
> manager navigate to /home/$USER/.kde/share/config
>
> In the list of files, find the file kwinrc, right click
> it with the mouse and select rename. rename it to
> something like kwinrc.old and hit enter. Rather than
> delete the file, this way you can always go back to it
> and change the name back to what it was if things don't
> work out.

Try doing that to sort out your problem. 

"Is there a way to start over with original settings?"

nepal.



From gloonie at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 23 18:39:16 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:39:16 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert, 
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=09and_Nubies_like?= me.
In-Reply-To: <49298C90.7040108@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231252.49617.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<49298C90.7040108@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811231339.17032.gloonie@earthlink.net>

On Sunday 23 November 2008 12:02:08 Steven Vollom wrote:
> nepal wrote:
> > On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> Is the config file you are suggesting deleting
> >> /.kde/share/config  ?
> >
> > Read the first two sentences of my original mail again.
> >
> > nepal
>
> It looked like our conversation was on an email for Nils, I am not sure,
> anyway, I have looked through both my saved email folders and can't find
> it.  There are a bunch.  I am going to take it that /.kde/share/config
> is not a folder to delete.  I will keep looking.
>
> Steven

Steven,

Remember that even if you delete an email, you can always find it by searching 
the archives online. Just go to:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users

and click on the text:

kubuntu-users Archives

in the first paragraph.

HTH,

Glenn



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 19:04:16 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:04:16 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert, and Nubies like
	me.
In-Reply-To: <200811231745.15283.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>	<200811231252.49617.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<49298C90.7040108@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231745.15283.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4929A930.6040001@sbcglobal.net>

nepal wrote:
> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> nepal wrote:
>>     
>>> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Is the config file you are suggesting deleting
>>>> /.kde/share/config  ?
>>>>         
>>> Read the first two sentences of my original mail again.
>>>
>>> nepal
>>>       
>> It looked like our conversation was on an email for Nils,
>> I am not sure, anyway, I have looked through both my
>> saved email folders and can't find it.  There are a
>> bunch.  I am going to take it that /.kde/share/config is
>> not a folder to delete.  I will keep looking.
>>
>> Steven
>>     
>
> This is what I wrote;
>
> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, nepal wrote:
>   
>> I'm not sure but this can be done safely. In your file
>> manager navigate to /home/$USER/.kde/share/config
>>
>> In the list of files, find the file kwinrc, right click
>> it with the mouse and select rename. rename it to
>> something like kwinrc.old and hit enter. Rather than
>> delete the file, this way you can always go back to it
>> and change the name back to what it was if things don't
>> work out.
>>     
>
> Try doing that to sort out your problem. 
>
> "Is there a way to start over with original settings?"
>
> nepal.
>
>   
I did that before, Nepal, and when nothing seemed to change, I activated 
kwinrc my deleting the .old extension.  Just now I went back and 
repeated the process.  I just renamed the file to kwinrd.old.  I just 
don't know what to do next.  Nothing changed, I just have a page of 
configuration related files, I believe.

Do I reboot to see what happens?  Do I close Dolphin?  As I received 
your email, I was trying to get into

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users to see if I 
could find your other response there; I forget the exact wording, but 
they said that address did not exist, more or less.  Anyway I did not 
find an archive of emails for the list, like I expected.  I am not 
trying to get any to work my problem for me; I go as far as I know.  I 
just am stumped.  After I send this reply, I will reboot and see what 
happens.  I don't know anything else to do.  Nonetheless, if I return 
and the problem is not resolved, do I delete 
/home/$USER/.kde/share/config?  Then do I have to reconfigure 
everything, email, Desktop settings, etc.?  Thanks!

Steven




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 19:08:46 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:08:46 +0000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <ggc4mc$j4$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>	<200811230818.19788.d.mcglone@att.net>	<4929613C.6010007@tiscali.co.uk>
	<ggc4mc$j4$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4929AA3E.8020109@tiscali.co.uk>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Wulfy wrote:
>   
>> David McGlone wrote:
>>     
>>> Do you have an HP printer? if so you can use HP printer toolbox, if not use 
>>> the cups web interface.
>>>   
>>>       
>> Thanks, David...
>>
>> I tried hp-setup but it can't find my printer!!!  I'm totally confused now.
>>
>>     
> I wonder, that since 11 mails, you did not mention what printer you have 
> and how it is connected to your machine. And nobody asked....
>
> regards
> Eberhard
>
>
>   
HP DeskJet 420.  Parallel port...  I know it should be in a museum...  :@)

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 19:18:16 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:18:16 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert, and Nubies like
	me.
In-Reply-To: <200811231745.15283.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>	<200811231252.49617.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<49298C90.7040108@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231745.15283.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4929AC78.50107@sbcglobal.net>

nepal wrote:
> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> nepal wrote:
>>     
>>> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Is the config file you are suggesting deleting
>>>> /.kde/share/config  ?
>>>>         
>>> Read the first two sentences of my original mail again.
>>>
>>> nepal
>>>       
>> It looked like our conversation was on an email for Nils,
>> I am not sure, anyway, I have looked through both my
>> saved email folders and can't find it.  There are a
>> bunch.  I am going to take it that /.kde/share/config is
>> not a folder to delete.  I will keep looking.
>>
>> Steven
>>     
>
> This is what I wrote;
>
> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, nepal wrote:
>   
>> I'm not sure but this can be done safely. In your file
>> manager navigate to /home/$USER/.kde/share/config
>>
>> In the list of files, find the file kwinrc, right click
>> it with the mouse and select rename. rename it to
>> something like kwinrc.old and hit enter. Rather than
>> delete the file, this way you can always go back to it
>> and change the name back to what it was if things don't
>> work out.
>>     
>
> Try doing that to sort out your problem. 
>
> "Is there a way to start over with original settings?"
>
> nepal.
>
>   
Thanks, my friend.  I got a workable window back.  Recently, I installed 
Compiz; I was getting used to its features.  When Configuration returned 
to KDE, I expect default, the Compiz features returned, so I guess my 
question relating to whether I would have to reconfigure everything 
needn't have an answer.

When I began my attempt to learn more about entering commands, one of 
the first recommendations was to reconfigure so that open windows would 
automatically be activated when the mouse was on them.  I forget what 
that is called and hope you understand by my description.  Have a great 
Sunday.

Steven



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sun Nov 23 19:38:25 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:38:25 -0600
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4929AA3E.8020109@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>	<200811230818.19788.d.mcglone@att.net>	<4929613C.6010007@tiscali.co.uk>	<ggc4mc$j4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4929AA3E.8020109@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4929B131.60605@swbell.net>

Wulfy wrote:
> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>   
>> Wulfy wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> David McGlone wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Do you have an HP printer? if so you can use HP printer toolbox, if not use 
>>>> the cups web interface.
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> Thanks, David...
>>>
>>> I tried hp-setup but it can't find my printer!!!  I'm totally confused now.
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> I wonder, that since 11 mails, you did not mention what printer you have 
>> and how it is connected to your machine. And nobody asked....
>>
>> regards
>> Eberhard
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
> HP DeskJet 420.  Parallel port...  I know it should be in a museum...  :@)
>
>   
Old HP's are like the Energizer Bunny. They just keep going and going 
and..........

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Nov 23 19:41:54 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:41:54 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert,
	and Nubies =?iso-8859-1?q?like=09me=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <4929A930.6040001@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231745.15283.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<4929A930.6040001@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811231441.54941.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>nepal wrote:
>> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>> nepal wrote:
>>>> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>> Is the config file you are suggesting deleting
>>>>> /.kde/share/config  ?
>>>>
>>>> Read the first two sentences of my original mail again.
>>>>
>>>> nepal
>>>
>>> It looked like our conversation was on an email for Nils,
>>> I am not sure, anyway, I have looked through both my
>>> saved email folders and can't find it.  There are a
>>> bunch.  I am going to take it that /.kde/share/config is
>>> not a folder to delete.  I will keep looking.
>>>
>>> Steven
>>
>> This is what I wrote;
>>
>> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, nepal wrote:
>>> I'm not sure but this can be done safely. In your file
>>> manager navigate to /home/$USER/.kde/share/config
>>>
>>> In the list of files, find the file kwinrc, right click
>>> it with the mouse and select rename. rename it to
>>> something like kwinrc.old and hit enter. Rather than
>>> delete the file, this way you can always go back to it
>>> and change the name back to what it was if things don't
>>> work out.
>>
>> Try doing that to sort out your problem.
>>
>> "Is there a way to start over with original settings?"
>>
>> nepal.
>
>I did that before, Nepal, and when nothing seemed to change, I activated
>kwinrc my deleting the .old extension.  Just now I went back and
>repeated the process.  I just renamed the file to kwinrd.old.  I just
>don't know what to do next.  Nothing changed, I just have a page of
>configuration related files, I believe.
>
>Do I reboot to see what happens?  Do I close Dolphin?  As I received
>your email, I was trying to get into
>
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users to see if I
>could find your other response there; I forget the exact wording, but
>they said that address did not exist, more or less.  Anyway I did not
>find an archive of emails for the list, like I expected.  I am not
>trying to get any to work my problem for me; I go as far as I know.  I
>just am stumped.  After I send this reply, I will reboot and see what
>happens.  I don't know anything else to do.  Nonetheless, if I return
>and the problem is not resolved, do I delete
>/home/$USER/.kde/share/config?  Then do I have to reconfigure
>everything, email, Desktop settings, etc.?  Thanks!
>
>Steven

Steven, either there is a typu, or you did it wrong, its kwinrc, not kwinrd.

Hint, most of the services have a configuration file and this file is 
generally the services name + either a '.conf', '.rc' or just a plain 'rc'

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
	"I suppose you expect me to talk."
	"No, Mr. Bond.  I expect you to die."
		-- Goldfinger



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Nov 23 19:45:17 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:45:17 -0500
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4929AA3E.8020109@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk> <ggc4mc$j4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4929AA3E.8020109@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200811231445.17132.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 23 November 2008, Wulfy wrote:
>Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> Wulfy wrote:
>>> David McGlone wrote:
>>>> Do you have an HP printer? if so you can use HP printer toolbox, if not
>>>> use the cups web interface.
>>>
>>> Thanks, David...
>>>
>>> I tried hp-setup but it can't find my printer!!!  I'm totally confused
>>> now.
>>
>> I wonder, that since 11 mails, you did not mention what printer you have
>> and how it is connected to your machine. And nobody asked....
>>
>> regards
>> Eberhard
>
>HP DeskJet 420.  Parallel port...  I know it should be in a museum...  :@)
>
If it is still working, yes it should be displayed proudly, cuz its an 
exception to the genre.  Most of those had parts falling out or breaking by 
the time they were on their tenth ream of paper and second ink cartridges.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
At work, the authority of a person is inversely proportional to the
number of pens that person is carrying.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 19:54:34 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:54:34 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert, and Nubies like
	me.
In-Reply-To: <200811231441.54941.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>	<200811231745.15283.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<4929A930.6040001@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231441.54941.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4929B4FA.4040803@sbcglobal.net>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> nepal wrote:
>>     
>>> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> nepal wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Is the config file you are suggesting deleting
>>>>>> /.kde/share/config  ?
>>>>>>             
>>>>> Read the first two sentences of my original mail again.
>>>>>
>>>>> nepal
>>>>>           
>>>> It looked like our conversation was on an email for Nils,
>>>> I am not sure, anyway, I have looked through both my
>>>> saved email folders and can't find it.  There are a
>>>> bunch.  I am going to take it that /.kde/share/config is
>>>> not a folder to delete.  I will keep looking.
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>         
>>> This is what I wrote;
>>>
>>> On Sunday 23 Nov 2008, nepal wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I'm not sure but this can be done safely. In your file
>>>> manager navigate to /home/$USER/.kde/share/config
>>>>
>>>> In the list of files, find the file kwinrc, right click
>>>> it with the mouse and select rename. rename it to
>>>> something like kwinrc.old and hit enter. Rather than
>>>> delete the file, this way you can always go back to it
>>>> and change the name back to what it was if things don't
>>>> work out.
>>>>         
>>> Try doing that to sort out your problem.
>>>
>>> "Is there a way to start over with original settings?"
>>>
>>> nepal.
>>>       
>> I did that before, Nepal, and when nothing seemed to change, I activated
>> kwinrc my deleting the .old extension.  Just now I went back and
>> repeated the process.  I just renamed the file to kwinrd.old.  I just
>> don't know what to do next.  Nothing changed, I just have a page of
>> configuration related files, I believe.
>>
>> Do I reboot to see what happens?  Do I close Dolphin?  As I received
>> your email, I was trying to get into
>>
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users to see if I
>> could find your other response there; I forget the exact wording, but
>> they said that address did not exist, more or less.  Anyway I did not
>> find an archive of emails for the list, like I expected.  I am not
>> trying to get any to work my problem for me; I go as far as I know.  I
>> just am stumped.  After I send this reply, I will reboot and see what
>> happens.  I don't know anything else to do.  Nonetheless, if I return
>> and the problem is not resolved, do I delete
>> /home/$USER/.kde/share/config?  Then do I have to reconfigure
>> everything, email, Desktop settings, etc.?  Thanks!
>>
>> Steven
>>     
>
> Steven, either there is a typu, or you did it wrong, its kwinrc, not kwinrd.
>
> Hint, most of the services have a configuration file and this file is 
> generally the services name + either a '.conf', '.rc' or just a plain 'rc'
>
>   
I didn't notice that, but I did get it right, because it worked.  Do you 
know if I should delete the kwinrc.old file I created.  When I booted, I 
got the old configuration back.  I just have to remember this; it is 
such a sweet fix for this kind of problem.  Thanks for your continued 
interest, friend.  I am getting more confident I can learn this stuff 
every day.

Cordially,
Steven



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Sun Nov 23 19:55:04 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:55:04 +0100
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <4929AA3E.8020109@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>	<200811230818.19788.d.mcglone@att.net>	<4929613C.6010007@tiscali.co.uk>	<ggc4mc$j4$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4929AA3E.8020109@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ggccen$n18$1@ger.gmane.org>

Wulfy wrote:
> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> Wulfy wrote:
>>   
>>> David McGlone wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Do you have an HP printer? if so you can use HP printer toolbox, if not use 
>>>> the cups web interface.
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>> Thanks, David...
>>>
>>> I tried hp-setup but it can't find my printer!!!  I'm totally confused now.
>>>
>>>     
>> I wonder, that since 11 mails, you did not mention what printer you have 
>> and how it is connected to your machine. And nobody asked....
>>
>> regards
>> Eberhard
>>
>>
>>   
> HP DeskJet 420.  Parallel port...  I know it should be in a museum...  :@)
> 
Great!!! Keep it as long as you can. You will nver get this quality, again.

However, maybe this explains, why hp-setup did not find it. Use
hpsetup --help  There are options to query the LPR port or to specify 
it, alternatively.

Furthermore you should google whether your printer is supported by 
hplip, since it is so much older than hplip. ;-)

Kind regards
Eberhard




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 20:14:47 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:14:47 -0500
Subject: Password question.
Message-ID: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>

I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is 
very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a 
very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of 
letters.  Is this possible?

Steven




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Sun Nov 23 20:54:40 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:54:40 +0100
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is 
> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a 
> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of 
> letters.  Is this possible?
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)

While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu 
concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather 
secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.

You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own 
password.

It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you 
are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is 
because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards 
and you will need to treat it differently.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 21:13:47 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:13:47 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4929C78B.6050508@sbcglobal.net>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is 
>> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a 
>> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of 
>> letters.  Is this possible?
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>
>>     
> With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)
>
> While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu 
> concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather 
> secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.
>
> You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own 
> password.
>
> It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you 
> are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is 
> because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards 
> and you will need to treat it differently.
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>
>
>   
Dear Eberhard,

I have a very secure password that I am able to remember.  It is not 
easy to crack, because it is a combination of 37 upper/lower case 
letters, numbers, and symbols, that are embedded into my otherwise 
terrible memory.  They don't relate to anything as far as I know.  
Nothing relating to soc sec forward or backward or every other or every 
1, 2, 3, etc.  They are gibberish even to me.  Nonetheless, I was able 
to make them mine.  The trouble is that every time I use that password I 
have to type slow and careful.  I lost the last inch of one of my 
fingers so complex reaches on the keyboard as well as an inability to 
feel with that finger, and the fact that it is wider than an undamaged 
finger is at its end, cause me difficulties when using the upper two 
rows of keys.  With that finger in those rows, I make a mistake about 
50% of the time.  You can see by this that I have to slow down and be 
very careful when I do this.

I enter root often enough to make necessary the ease of this process.  I 
am totally alone in my studio/home.  Only a burglar has access to my 
computer without me being here.  Nonetheless, I have a laptop, not 
working at the moment, with I suppose less security than my PC.  If your 
apprehension is because people might look over my shoulder and see a 2 
digit password, that just isn't going to happen with anyone I don't 
trust with that password anyway.   Am I not understanding the reason for 
your apprehension?  Thanks friend.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 21:27:40 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:27:40 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
Message-ID: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>

I am finally learning the shell.  I am reading from a URL, 
http://linuxcommand.org/lts0030.php  The part of the page I am wanting a 
copy is still quite large.  When I highlight the portion I want, then 
right click, the page changes to another page.  I have a document open 
in an adjacent window and want to copy the info to that doc..  Every 
time I try anything I think would work, the only thing that transfers to 
the doc page is a copy of the URL.  What I want is a copy of basic 
commands to refer to, until I can memorize them.  I will put it on my 
Desktop for reference, while I am attempting to use them properly.

How can I copy and paste from a Konqueror site to a .otd or .doc page 
without just copying a web address?  TIA.

Steven



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Sun Nov 23 21:28:18 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:28:18 +0000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811231445.17132.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
	<ggc4mc$j4$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929AA3E.8020109@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811231445.17132.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4929CAF2.60407@yahoo.it>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008, Wulfy wrote:
>> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>> Wulfy wrote:
>>>> David McGlone wrote:
>>>>> Do you have an HP printer? if so you can use HP printer toolbox, if not
>>>>> use the cups web interface.
>>>> Thanks, David...
>>>>
>>>> I tried hp-setup but it can't find my printer!!!  I'm totally confused
>>>> now.
>>> I wonder, that since 11 mails, you did not mention what printer you have
>>> and how it is connected to your machine. And nobody asked....
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Eberhard
>> HP DeskJet 420.  Parallel port...  I know it should be in a museum...  :@)
>>
> If it is still working, yes it should be displayed proudly, cuz its an 
> exception to the genre.  Most of those had parts falling out or breaking by 
> the time they were on their tenth ream of paper and second ink cartridges.
> 

True, mine broke one of the supports for the small axle on which the 
head goes back and forth. By then I was on about the third recharge of 
the cartridge and even the refilling ink was costing something similar 
to the price of a new printer, so when my homemade fixing operation went 
wrong I just stacked it in the garage on top of the case of the original 
computer I bought it with (which was a 486 with 4 megs ram :D back when 
you could still remember most of the 0s and 1s in your hard drive by 
heart...)
I.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 21:31:40 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:31:40 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is 
>> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a 
>> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of 
>> letters.  Is this possible?
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>
>>     
> With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)
>
> While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu 
> concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather 
> secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.
>
> You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own 
> password.
>
> It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you 
> are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is 
> because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards 
> and you will need to treat it differently.
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>
>
>   
Sorry I wasn't paying adequate attention to what you just wrote.  I was 
already thinking of possible reasons for avoiding this.  How does it 
change my system?  What change in behavior would be anticipated?  In my 
situation, is it more insecure?  TIA, friend.

Steven



From kassube at gmx.net  Sun Nov 23 21:38:36 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:38:36 +0100
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811232238.36959.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I am finally learning the shell.  I am reading from a URL,
> http://linuxcommand.org/lts0030.php  The part of the page I am wanting
> a copy is still quite large.  When I highlight the portion I want, then
> right click, the page changes to another page.  I have a document open
> in an adjacent window and want to copy the info to that doc..

There are at least 2 possible ways to copy the text.

1. Highlight the text with the mouse and then move the cursor to the point 
where you want to insert the text. Click the wheel of the mouse if you 
have one or click left and right mouse button simultaneously if you have a 
two button mouse.

2. Highlight the text and type Ctrl-c (i.e. press the Ctrl key and keep it 
pressed while you press the c key as well). That operation copies the 
text to the clipboard. Then left-click to the point where you want to 
insert the text from the clipboard and press Ctrl-v.


Nils



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 21:41:37 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:41:37 -0500
Subject: colors in /var/log
Message-ID: <4929CE11.6080009@sbcglobal.net>

I am just learning how to use the terminal.  I wanted to see the health 
of my system, but have never read a /var/log before.  There 31 entries 
that are pink colored, 34 entries that are white, and 3 blue entries.  
Is this just patriotic for me here in the USA, or does red indicate I 
should be concerned, white not concerned and blue, external concerns?  I 
cannot see how seeing this page can tell me the health of my computer, 
unless the colors are the way.  How do I make my computer healthy?

Steven



From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com  Sun Nov 23 21:48:46 2008
From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:48:46 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811231648.47244.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>

On Sunday 23 November 2008 4:27:40 pm Steven Vollom wrote:

> How can I copy and paste from a Konqueror site to a .otd or .doc page
> without just copying a web address?  TIA.

Hold down the left mouse button and drag over the content you want to copy so 
that it is highlighted.  Then go to the file you want to put it in and click 
the middle button (probably the scroll wheel) to paste it into your .otd 
or .doc page.

	-Jerry
-- 
=============================================
Jerry Lapham
Monroe, OH  45050
rjlapham at cinci.rr.com
=============================================
"Not only is [Sarah Palin] young, they're saying she's the prettiest candidate 
for vice president since John Edwards." ---Jimmy Kimmel



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 21:50:35 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:50:35 +0100
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net>
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is
>>> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a
>>> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of
>>> letters.  Is this possible?
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)
>>
>> While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu
>> concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather
>> secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.
>>
>> You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own
>> password.
>>
>> It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you
>> are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is
>> because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards
>> and you will need to treat it differently.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Eberhard
>>
>>
>>
> Sorry I wasn't paying adequate attention to what you just wrote.  I was
> already thinking of possible reasons for avoiding this.  How does it
> change my system?  What change in behavior would be anticipated?  In my
> situation, is it more insecure?  TIA, friend.
>
> Steven
Your system has a file:
/etc/sudoers

If you add this line to it, then you can change how long you stay
signed into sudo. The default is 5 min. I am sure you have seen how
sudo only asks for a password after you have stopped using it for a
bit. I think this is the right command to make that 300 min (5 hours)
but please wait to make sure someone else agrees with me!

Defaults timestamp_timeout=300





>From sudoers man page:
timestamp_timeout

Number of minutes that can elapse before sudo will ask for a passwd
again. The default is 5. Set this to 0 to always prompt for a
password. If set to a value less than 0 the user's timestamp will
never expire. This can be used to allow users to create or delete
their own timestamps via sudo -v and sudo -k respectively.


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 21:55:14 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:55:14 +0000
Subject: colors in /var/log
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Steven Vollom wrote:
> I am just learning how to use the terminal.  I wanted to see the health 
> of my system, but have never read a /var/log before.  There 31 entries 
> that are pink colored, 34 entries that are white, and 3 blue entries.  
> Is this just patriotic for me here in the USA, or does red indicate I 
> should be concerned, white not concerned and blue, external concerns?  I 
> cannot see how seeing this page can tell me the health of my computer, 
> unless the colors are the way.  How do I make my computer healthy?
>
> Steven
>
>   
Looking at my own /var/log, it seems the pink ones are compressed 
backups (created by logrotate), the white ones are current logs and the 
blue ones are folders.

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Sun Nov 23 22:00:08 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:00:08 +0100
Subject: Password question.
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Steven Vollom wrote:
> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is 
>>> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a 
>>> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of 
>>> letters.  Is this possible?
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>> With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)
>>
>> While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu 
>> concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather 
>> secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.
>>
>> You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own 
>> password.
>>
>> It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you 
>> are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is 
>> because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards 
>> and you will need to treat it differently.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Eberhard
>>
>>
>>   
> Sorry I wasn't paying adequate attention to what you just wrote.  I was 
> already thinking of possible reasons for avoiding this.  How does it 
> change my system?  What change in behavior would be anticipated?  In my 
> situation, is it more insecure?  TIA, friend.
> 
> Steven
> 

Hi Steven,

Well, I cannot answer this. There are numerous discussions around 
whether the Ubuntu way is more secure or not than "the other way round", 
which is, just for example, the SuSe or Red Hat way.

Although I surely have my own opinion about this, I will not divulge it, 
there are to many flames around. ;-)

What are the differences?

Now you are just doing sudo fsck /dev/sda1
alternatively when you need to be root for any length of time, you will do:
sudo -i
Password

With a separate root account, it is similar but not at all identical.
For example, sudo "something" will no longer work (except if you go and 
configure it) and you will most likely use "su -" to become root and 
then "exit" or "Ctrl+D" to exit root.

Furthermore, I think you REALLY might prefer to use a strong root 
password and a weaker user password, since it is root where a 
compromised security will have potentially disastrous consequences.

Again, if you are familiar with the Ubnutu way, I would strongly 
recommend to leave it at that.

If you insist to have a separate password for root, you might google this:
http://www.ubuntux.org/how-to-change-the-root-password-in-ubuntu

Kind regards
Eberhard





From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sun Nov 23 22:01:55 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:01:55 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> Dear Eberhard,
>
> I have a very secure password that I am able to remember.  It is not
> easy to crack, because it is a combination of 37 upper/lower case
> letters, numbers, and symbols, that are embedded into my otherwise
> terrible memory.  They don't relate to anything as far as I know.  
> Nothing relating to soc sec forward or backward or every other or every
> 1, 2, 3, etc.  They are gibberish even to me.

Waaay   overkill!

10 chars is more than enough, especially if you are behind a firewall such as 
most routers put up.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 22:05:12 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:05:12 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
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Nils Kassube wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I am finally learning the shell.  I am reading from a URL,
>> http://linuxcommand.org/lts0030.php  The part of the page I am wanting
>> a copy is still quite large.  When I highlight the portion I want, then
>> right click, the page changes to another page.  I have a document open
>> in an adjacent window and want to copy the info to that doc..
>>     
>
> There are at least 2 possible ways to copy the text.
>
> 1. Highlight the text with the mouse and then move the cursor to the point 
> where you want to insert the text. Click the wheel of the mouse if you 
> have one or click left and right mouse button simultaneously if you have a 
> two button mouse.
>
> 2. Highlight the text and type Ctrl-c (i.e. press the Ctrl key and keep it 
> pressed while you press the c key as well). That operation copies the 
> text to the clipboard. Then left-click to the point where you want to 
> insert the text from the clipboard and press Ctrl-v.
>
>
> Nils
>
>   
Neither worked for me Nils.  Firstly, in the address bar of Konqueror it 
says, http://linuxcommand.org/lts0040.php.  The page that I want to 
highlight is probably 2 pages in length.  What I would like to do is 
copy those contents into an otd or doc, reduce the size of the print to 
perhaps 8 point, and put it on my Desktop.  I will use it as a reference 
while I am learning to use the shell and memorize same.  Your first 
suggestion got the same result, as when I tried to copy and more or less 
paste, in that it pasted the url address, not the content of the page 
that I highlighted.  If I did what I normally would do to cut and paste, 
highlight text then right-click on the text, at this point rather than 
make ready the transfer of the data, it backs up to the previous 
screen.  The second suggestion did nothing that I can see.

I am in the manual pages of Konqueror, I think.  However, I think the 
manual I am looking at is located somewhere else and is not actually in 
my computer.  So I am trying to transfer information over the internet 
instead of from within my computer.  I don't know why that would make a 
difference.  If it does, please explain?  Cordially,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 22:07:44 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:07:44 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
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Jerry Lapham wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008 4:27:40 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> How can I copy and paste from a Konqueror site to a .otd or .doc page
>> without just copying a web address?  TIA.
>>     
>
> Hold down the left mouse button and drag over the content you want to copy so 
> that it is highlighted.  Then go to the file you want to put it in and click 
> the middle button (probably the scroll wheel) to paste it into your .otd 
> or .doc page.
>
> 	-Jerry
>   
Hi Jerry,

My mouse is a Microsoft cordless optical mouse with a center wheel that 
cannot be depressed.  Is there a different option for this type of mouse?
Thanks!
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 22:11:03 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:11:03 -0500
Subject: colors in /var/log
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Wulfy wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I am just learning how to use the terminal.  I wanted to see the health 
>> of my system, but have never read a /var/log before.  There 31 entries 
>> that are pink colored, 34 entries that are white, and 3 blue entries.  
>> Is this just patriotic for me here in the USA, or does red indicate I 
>> should be concerned, white not concerned and blue, external concerns?  I 
>> cannot see how seeing this page can tell me the health of my computer, 
>> unless the colors are the way.  How do I make my computer healthy?
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>   
>>     
> Looking at my own /var/log, it seems the pink ones are compressed 
> backups (created by logrotate), the white ones are current logs and the 
> blue ones are folders.
>
>   
Thanks, Wulfy, but the manual said viewing this location would tell me 
if my system is healthy or not.  I took that to mean that problems would 
be identified and potentially executable solutions would be available, 
am I incorrect?

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 22:21:07 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:21:07 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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Knapp wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is
>>>> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a
>>>> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of
>>>> letters.  Is this possible?
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)
>>>
>>> While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu
>>> concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather
>>> secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.
>>>
>>> You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own
>>> password.
>>>
>>> It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you
>>> are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is
>>> because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards
>>> and you will need to treat it differently.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Eberhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Sorry I wasn't paying adequate attention to what you just wrote.  I was
>> already thinking of possible reasons for avoiding this.  How does it
>> change my system?  What change in behavior would be anticipated?  In my
>> situation, is it more insecure?  TIA, friend.
>>
>> Steven
>>     
> Your system has a file:
> /etc/sudoers
>
> If you add this line to it, then you can change how long you stay
> signed into sudo. The default is 5 min. I am sure you have seen how
> sudo only asks for a password after you have stopped using it for a
> bit. I think this is the right command to make that 300 min (5 hours)
> but please wait to make sure someone else agrees with me!
>
> Defaults timestamp_timeout=300
>
>
>
>
>
> >From sudoers man page:
> timestamp_timeout
>
> Number of minutes that can elapse before sudo will ask for a passwd
> again. The default is 5. Set this to 0 to always prompt for a
> password. If set to a value less than 0 the user's timestamp will
> never expire. This can be used to allow users to create or delete
> their own timestamps via sudo -v and sudo -k respectively.
>   
Let me see if I understand what you are suggesting.  When I find this 
place to set its value, if I set the value at, let's say, -1, the system 
will stay in root until I shut down the system and only reappear when I 
boot again?  I could still work from a shell, but when wanting to work 
in Root, I could click on a Root Shell and it would be password-entered 
when I did?

I don't yet understand the purpose of timestamps via sudo -v and sudo -k 
respectively.  Since you have read my situation, is this relevant to my 
need?  It is my impression that passwords are basically to make a 
computer safe from hacker entry and from busy-eyes.  Since I am alone, 
the only concern I see for me is my laptop, because I never have anyone 
in my home that I don't completely trust when I am on the computer.  If 
the Water Meter reader came in to read the meter, I would simply stop 
working and attend to them, safe and secure.  Most is for business 
related security, isn't it?  Thanks!

Steven
>
>   




From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Sun Nov 23 22:26:50 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:26:50 +0000
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
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Steven Vollom wrote:

> Neither worked for me Nils.  Firstly, in the address bar of Konqueror it 
> says, http://linuxcommand.org/lts0040.php.  The page that I want to 
> highlight is probably 2 pages in length.  What I would like to do is 
> copy those contents into an otd or doc, reduce the size of the print to 
> perhaps 8 point, and put it on my Desktop.  

I don't use konqueror but in Firefox you can choose "save page" and have 
it in an html file, which you can modify with a text editor or with 
openoffice. I'm sure there must be a similar function for Konqueror but 
I'm not on a linux machine right now so I can't be more precise (and in 
case everything else fails you can do this in Firefox :) )
HTH,
I.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 22:30:34 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:30:34 -0500
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
Message-ID: <4929D98A.6080600@sbcglobal.net>

I am starting to learn to use a terminal.  The manual said I could see 
my mounted partitions by typing mount.  I did, and partitions I expected 
to me mounted were mounted, however, sdb5 should have shown and did not.

As I recall, I cannot yet use that partition by trying to save to it, 
but I am able to enter a sub-directore that is in that partition.  So I 
am able to store data in the drive, just not in sdb5.  I would really 
like that partition to work like the other partitions that are used for 
storage.  If that is the reason sdb5 does not show up as mounted, how do 
I properly mount that partition?  TIA

I bet a lot of you who recognize my name can see improvement in my 
understanding.

Steven



From godshatter at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 22:44:34 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:44:34 -0800
Subject: Password question.
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Knapp wrote:
> Your system has a file:
> /etc/sudoers
>
> If you add this line to it, then you can change how long you stay
> signed into sudo. The default is 5 min. I am sure you have seen how
> sudo only asks for a password after you have stopped using it for a
> bit. I think this is the right command to make that 300 min (5 hours)
> but please wait to make sure someone else agrees with me!
>
> Defaults timestamp_timeout=300
>
>
>
>
>
> >From sudoers man page:
> timestamp_timeout
>
> Number of minutes that can elapse before sudo will ask for a passwd
> again. The default is 5. Set this to 0 to always prompt for a
> password. If set to a value less than 0 the user's timestamp will
> never expire. This can be used to allow users to create or delete
> their own timestamps via sudo -v and sudo -k respectively.
>   


I tried the above, and it worked fine.  A comment in the sudoers file 
suggested I use the visudo command, which I did.  I entered the defaults 
command just the way you had it typed.  Apparently the visudo command 
also does a syntax check on the file as an added bonus.

I just tried to run sudo after waiting ten minutes, and it still let me 
run it without authenticating.  Presumably, in five hours I'll have to 
type another one.  I'll probably change this to be a smaller value later.

Paul




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 22:45:35 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:45:35 -0500
Subject: colors in /var/log
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>> I am just learning how to use the terminal.  I wanted to see the health
>>> of my system, but have never read a /var/log before.  There 31 entries
>>> that are pink colored, 34 entries that are white, and 3 blue entries.
>>> Is this just patriotic for me here in the USA, or does red indicate I
>>> should be concerned, white not concerned and blue, external concerns?

The color coding has nothing to do with the health of your system.
The coding is supposed to show you what kind of files they are.  Try
looking at other folders and see.

I like the patriotic twist, though.


>>> cannot see how seeing this page can tell me the health of my computer,
>>> unless the colors are the way.  How do I make my computer healthy?

It isn't a page you are seeing, but a list of files in that directory.
 Looking at the list will not help you with anything, except maybe
learing the structure of the directory.



> the manual said viewing this location would tell me
> if my system is healthy or not.  I took that to mean that problems would
> be identified and potentially executable solutions would be available,
> am I incorrect?

Not so simple.  Looking at -- and  understanding -- the contents of
the files stored there will help you.

There are gui log viewers that help you parse out the raw logs and try
to see patterns and make sense of them.  There are also utilities
(command line), like logwatch, that can be configured to monitor the
logs there and send you an email when things that might concern you
happen.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 22:45:54 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:45:54 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <4929D8AA.2030508@yahoo.it>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>	<200811232238.36959.kassube@gmx.net>	<4929D398.7080201@sbcglobal.net>
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Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> Neither worked for me Nils.  Firstly, in the address bar of Konqueror it 
>> says, http://linuxcommand.org/lts0040.php.  The page that I want to 
>> highlight is probably 2 pages in length.  What I would like to do is 
>> copy those contents into an otd or doc, reduce the size of the print to 
>> perhaps 8 point, and put it on my Desktop.  
>>     
>
> I don't use konqueror but in Firefox you can choose "save page" and have 
> it in an html file, which you can modify with a text editor or with 
> openoffice. I'm sure there must be a similar function for Konqueror but 
> I'm not on a linux machine right now so I can't be more precise (and in 
> case everything else fails you can do this in Firefox :) )
> HTH,
> I.
>
>   
Thanks my friend, but if I can figure out how to do it, I am changing to 
Konqueror and Kmail.  I have used Firefox for 3 years.  It was easier 
for me to use.  But as I became more familiar with KDE, there are 
distinct advantages to using KDE packages, one being that-- I am older; 
my vision is not perfect.  In Firefox and Thunderbird, I am only able to 
default to larger fonts on one of them, on the other, I have to do it 
everytime I want to see better, and the basic program remains in smaller 
print.  I remember now it is Thunderbird that that is the case.  I now 
have a 22" monitor.  It allows me to increase print size without having 
to vertically scroll.  It is such a benefit to someone with eyes like 
mine.  Additionally, the KDE programs operate a lot faster.  Click and 
it happens.  I am sure I will notice the loss of some features, however, 
I would sacrifice a lot of niceties to not have to scroll or squint.  I 
only mentioned the benefits that I have noticed to plant the memory if 
ever it would benefit you.  Thanks again!  I am sure there are more that 
I haven't noticed yet.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 22:47:56 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:47:56 -0500
Subject: Just a quick note to let you know how much I appreciate this forum.
	I just love it, and you.  Thanks!!!  nothing else to read.
Message-ID: <4929DD9C.4020002@sbcglobal.net>





From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com  Sun Nov 23 22:50:37 2008
From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:50:37 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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On Sunday 23 November 2008 5:21:07 pm Steven Vollom wrote:

>  It is my impression that passwords are basically to make a
> computer safe from hacker entry and from busy-eyes.  Since I am alone,

For the lone home user, the real purpose of a separate root account and/or 
sudo is to protect you from accidentally doing something harmful to your 
system.  Think "FORMAT:C" or "DEL *.*" in the DOS world.  Having to change 
users or run sudo with a password is a little stronger than just a "Are you 
sure?" prompt after you've hit ENTER.

	-Jerry
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 22:52:47 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:52:47 -0500
Subject: colors in /var/log  **SOLVED**
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Art Alexion wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I am just learning how to use the terminal.  I wanted to see the health
>>>> of my system, but have never read a /var/log before.  There 31 entries
>>>> that are pink colored, 34 entries that are white, and 3 blue entries.
>>>> Is this just patriotic for me here in the USA, or does red indicate I
>>>> should be concerned, white not concerned and blue, external concerns?
>>>>         
>
> The color coding has nothing to do with the health of your system.
> The coding is supposed to show you what kind of files they are.  Try
> looking at other folders and see.
>
> I like the patriotic twist, though.
>
>
>   
>>>> cannot see how seeing this page can tell me the health of my computer,
>>>> unless the colors are the way.  How do I make my computer healthy?
>>>>         
>
> It isn't a page you are seeing, but a list of files in that directory.
>  Looking at the list will not help you with anything, except maybe
> learing the structure of the directory.
>
>
>
>   
>> the manual said viewing this location would tell me
>> if my system is healthy or not.  I took that to mean that problems would
>> be identified and potentially executable solutions would be available,
>> am I incorrect?
>>     
>
> Not so simple.  Looking at -- and  understanding -- the contents of
> the files stored there will help you.
>
> There are gui log viewers that help you parse out the raw logs and try
> to see patterns and make sense of them.  There are also utilities
> (command line), like logwatch, that can be configured to monitor the
> logs there and send you an email when things that might concern you
> happen.
>   
Thanks Art, good to hear your digital voice again.  I have missed you.  
I am having so much fun.  I am finally upward mobile on the learning 
curve.  It keeps me laughing with joy.  I hope all is perfect for you 
and yours.  Is configuring logwatch easy for someone like me or am I 
just inviting a new project?  Will it be answered when I begin 
understanding the manual, or is it pretty much advanced information?

Steven
>
>   




From godshatter at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 22:53:06 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:53:06 -0800
Subject: Password question.
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Steven Vollom wrote:
> Let me see if I understand what you are suggesting.  When I find this 
> place to set its value, if I set the value at, let's say, -1, the system 
> will stay in root until I shut down the system and only reappear when I 
> boot again?  I could still work from a shell, but when wanting to work 
> in Root, I could click on a Root Shell and it would be password-entered 
> when I did?
>
> I don't yet understand the purpose of timestamps via sudo -v and sudo -k 
> respectively.  Since you have read my situation, is this relevant to my 
> need?  It is my impression that passwords are basically to make a 
> computer safe from hacker entry and from busy-eyes.  Since I am alone, 
> the only concern I see for me is my laptop, because I never have anyone 
> in my home that I don't completely trust when I am on the computer.  If 
> the Water Meter reader came in to read the meter, I would simply stop 
> working and attend to them, safe and secure.  Most is for business 
> related security, isn't it?  Thanks!
>
> Steven
>   

I think he's assuming that one reason you don't want to type a large 
password into sudo all the time relates to your needing to use it fairly 
often.  By setting the timeout to a much larger value, you'll have to 
type your password into sudo less often.  If you generally need to do a 
command that needs sudo once every couple of hours, then you'll end up 
typing your password into sudo each time unless you make the timeout 
last longer than two hours. 

Depending upon your security concerns, you might want to make this a 
smaller value than 300, but larger than 5.  The five minute default is 
meant to protect against someone sneaking in after you have left your 
computer and typing a dangerous command in to mess with your system.  
For that to work, they would have to be quick, lucky, and would have to 
be really knowledgeable about what they're doing.  From what it sounds 
like to me, you should not have to worry much about having a higher 
timeout value, since no one will be walking up and messing with your 
computer while you are there.  If someone breaks in, then they'll just 
take the computer anyway.

If you worked in an office environment where someone could conceivably 
walk in and sit at your computer while you are at lunch or in a meeting 
and mess with your system, then you would probably need to stick with 
the five minute timeout. 

Paul




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 22:56:52 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:56:52 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> Knapp wrote:
>   
>> Your system has a file:
>> /etc/sudoers
>>
>> If you add this line to it, then you can change how long you stay
>> signed into sudo. The default is 5 min. I am sure you have seen how
>> sudo only asks for a password after you have stopped using it for a
>> bit. I think this is the right command to make that 300 min (5 hours)
>> but please wait to make sure someone else agrees with me!
>>
>> Defaults timestamp_timeout=300
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From sudoers man page:
>> timestamp_timeout
>>
>> Number of minutes that can elapse before sudo will ask for a passwd
>> again. The default is 5. Set this to 0 to always prompt for a
>> password. If set to a value less than 0 the user's timestamp will
>> never expire. This can be used to allow users to create or delete
>> their own timestamps via sudo -v and sudo -k respectively.
>>   
>>     
>
>
> I tried the above, and it worked fine.  A comment in the sudoers file 
> suggested I use the visudo command, which I did.  I entered the defaults 
> command just the way you had it typed.  Apparently the visudo command 
> also does a syntax check on the file as an added bonus.
>
> I just tried to run sudo after waiting ten minutes, and it still let me 
> run it without authenticating.  Presumably, in five hours I'll have to 
> type another one.  I'll probably change this to be a smaller value later.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   
Wasn't you that said setting default to less that 0 and the user's 
timestamp would never expire?  If that is the case, I am sometimes on 
air for 20 hours or more.  So if I can get the time unlimited but still 
needed to enter a fresh boot, I want that.  Is that possible?  TIA

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 23:09:47 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:09:47 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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Jerry Lapham wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008 5:21:07 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>>  It is my impression that passwords are basically to make a
>> computer safe from hacker entry and from busy-eyes.  Since I am alone,
>>     
>
> For the lone home user, the real purpose of a separate root account and/or 
> sudo is to protect you from accidentally doing something harmful to your 
> system.  Think "FORMAT:C" or "DEL *.*" in the DOS world.  Having to change 
> users or run sudo with a password is a little stronger than just a "Are you 
> sure?" prompt after you've hit ENTER.
>
> 	-Jerry
>   
I don't intend working in root.  I will work from a shell, however, if 
you screwed up as many times as I have trying to type in that password 
error free, you would understand.  I have a shell menu item that when I 
open it, it already says sudo and a request for password.  I thought if 
I had sudo privileges in that shell until I logged off, I could work 
without interruption.  When I need Root, I open the Root or Sudo shell 
and it is always logged in.  The rest of the time I work from a normal 
shell.  They are very different, so I am unlikely to make a mistake.  
Regular shell is white characters on a black background.  Sudo Shell is 
Blace print on a White background.  I have no fear of making that kind 
of mistake.  Given the choice, I would rather the small possibility of 
screwing up over the large possibility of screwing up every time I 
logged in as Superuser.

If you know, I really like to do what I want.  Isn't that one of the 
most important purposes of our Brotherhood, Freedom to chose what we 
do?  Thanks! friend.  I hope I get the answer I want.  I am willing to 
accept the responsibility for my choice.  I cannot understand the 
risistence.  I am almost 66 years old, and really don't want or need 
someone else forcing my choices.  Nonetheless, thank you and all who are 
of your mind for your concern.  I mean no disrespect by choosing my 
way.  I won't blame any of you, if I break my machine.  Anyway, I invite 
anyone who has lost a digit to enter the discussion and explain in their 
words.  It would really improve our computing experience.

Steven





From d.mcglone at att.net  Sun Nov 23 23:13:05 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:13:05 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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On Sunday 23 November 2008 5:01:55 pm Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> > Dear Eberhard,
> >
> > I have a very secure password that I am able to remember.  It is not
> > easy to crack, because it is a combination of 37 upper/lower case
> > letters, numbers, and symbols, that are embedded into my otherwise
> > terrible memory.  They don't relate to anything as far as I know.  
> > Nothing relating to soc sec forward or backward or every other or every
> > 1, 2, 3, etc.  They are gibberish even to me.
>
> Waaay   overkill!
>
> 10 chars is more than enough, especially if you are behind a firewall such
> as most routers put up.
 
Like the say, better safe than sorry. :-)
-- 
David M.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 23:19:19 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:19:19 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Let me see if I understand what you are suggesting.  When I find this 
>> place to set its value, if I set the value at, let's say, -1, the system 
>> will stay in root until I shut down the system and only reappear when I 
>> boot again?  I could still work from a shell, but when wanting to work 
>> in Root, I could click on a Root Shell and it would be password-entered 
>> when I did?
>>
>> I don't yet understand the purpose of timestamps via sudo -v and sudo -k 
>> respectively.  Since you have read my situation, is this relevant to my 
>> need?  It is my impression that passwords are basically to make a 
>> computer safe from hacker entry and from busy-eyes.  Since I am alone, 
>> the only concern I see for me is my laptop, because I never have anyone 
>> in my home that I don't completely trust when I am on the computer.  If 
>> the Water Meter reader came in to read the meter, I would simply stop 
>> working and attend to them, safe and secure.  Most is for business 
>> related security, isn't it?  Thanks!
>>
>> Steven
>>   
>>     
>
> I think he's assuming that one reason you don't want to type a large 
> password into sudo all the time relates to your needing to use it fairly 
> often.  By setting the timeout to a much larger value, you'll have to 
> type your password into sudo less often.  If you generally need to do a 
> command that needs sudo once every couple of hours, then you'll end up 
> typing your password into sudo each time unless you make the timeout 
> last longer than two hours. 
>
> Depending upon your security concerns, you might want to make this a 
> smaller value than 300, but larger than 5.  The five minute default is 
> meant to protect against someone sneaking in after you have left your 
> computer and typing a dangerous command in to mess with your system.  
> For that to work, they would have to be quick, lucky, and would have to 
> be really knowledgeable about what they're doing.  From what it sounds 
> like to me, you should not have to worry much about having a higher 
> timeout value, since no one will be walking up and messing with your 
> computer while you are there.  If someone breaks in, then they'll just 
> take the computer anyway.
>
> If you worked in an office environment where someone could conceivably 
> walk in and sit at your computer while you are at lunch or in a meeting 
> and mess with your system, then you would probably need to stick with 
> the five minute timeout. 
>
> Paul
>
>
>   
Thanks Paul.  You better understand my situation.  I truly wish I had 
the security concern.  I live and am totally alone.  I may see one 
person a week, and then they are not someone who has time to talk.  I 
see the mailman once in a while.  I see someone from the church once in 
a while, but they are always seeking to be kind to me, even give me 
stuff.  If they took from me, I would forgive them in advance.  They 
could steal from me and not need forgiveness.  I frankly feel that way 
about some of you.  Anyone who cares for me can have anything and 
everything I have with the asking.  I very well know who provides my 
needs, and HE will never run out of the things I need, richest man on 
the planet.

What I really want is to put it into the machine when I boot up, and 
never shut it off.  The resistance I am getting would seem to be 
thinking that I need a parent to take care of and protect me, and the 
parent be a machine, or there is some hidden agenda in the creaters of 
the operating system that I should avoid.  I really don't believe that, 
so anyone who knows how to do what I want to do, tell me,  It is 
important to me.
And thanks.

Steven



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 23:20:00 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:20:00 +0200
Subject: Kudos for Konqueror
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2008/11/21 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> Nice review here: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7186/
>
> I'm not entirely sure I agree with some of the points (somebody said
> Konqueror in 4.x is using WebKit - I didn't think it was, and it
> certainly isn't any better at flash than it used to be), and the author
> doesn't actually show the latest version, but I like it!

Thanks for pointing that out. As for Konqueror using Webkit, I am
having a hard time finding information to back this up. I know that it
has been in controversy for a long time. This is the best article that
I could find, from before the KDE 4.0 release:
http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/kubuntus-kde-4-livecd-comes-with-webkit-enabled-konqueror/

-- 
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From johndecarlo at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 23:22:42 2008
From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:22:42 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> >> Neither worked for me Nils.  Firstly, in the address bar of Konqueror it
> >> says, http://linuxcommand.org/lts0040.php.  The page that I want to
> >> highlight is probably 2 pages in length.  What I would like to do is
>


OK Steven, I just did this.

In the web page, hold down your left mouse button (just to the left of the
title, A Guided Tour) and holding the left mouse button down, move the mouse
down until the entire table is highlighted.

Then press Ctrl-C.

Then click inside the Open Office document and press Ctrl-V.

The table is now in your document.

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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 23 23:27:30 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:27:30 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is 
>>>> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a 
>>>> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of 
>>>> letters.  Is this possible?
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)
>>>
>>> While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu 
>>> concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather 
>>> secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.
>>>
>>> You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own 
>>> password.
>>>
>>> It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you 
>>> are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is 
>>> because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards 
>>> and you will need to treat it differently.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Eberhard
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Sorry I wasn't paying adequate attention to what you just wrote.  I was 
>> already thinking of possible reasons for avoiding this.  How does it 
>> change my system?  What change in behavior would be anticipated?  In my 
>> situation, is it more insecure?  TIA, friend.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
>
> Hi Steven,
>
> Well, I cannot answer this. There are numerous discussions around 
> whether the Ubuntu way is more secure or not than "the other way round", 
> which is, just for example, the SuSe or Red Hat way.
>
> Although I surely have my own opinion about this, I will not divulge it, 
> there are to many flames around. ;-)
>
> What are the differences?
>
> Now you are just doing sudo fsck /dev/sda1
> alternatively when you need to be root for any length of time, you will do:
> sudo -i
> Password
>
> With a separate root account, it is similar but not at all identical.
> For example, sudo "something" will no longer work (except if you go and 
> configure it) and you will most likely use "su -" to become root and 
> then "exit" or "Ctrl+D" to exit root.
>
> Furthermore, I think you REALLY might prefer to use a strong root 
> password and a weaker user password, since it is root where a 
> compromised security will have potentially disastrous consequences.
>
> Again, if you are familiar with the Ubnutu way, I would strongly 
> recommend to leave it at that.
>
> If you insist to have a separate password for root, you might google this:
> http://www.ubuntux.org/how-to-change-the-root-password-in-ubuntu
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>   

It appears that I am asking a question that has been well thought out.  
If the reason you don't want to answer the question, and allow me, this 
one time, to not take your advice, send the response directly to my 
email address.  I promise to never post the solution.  The only way I 
would tell anyone is to help someone with the same disability.  And for 
your sake I would not help someone I did not trust and who did not 
agreed to not post it.  I believe that I will be able to get the answer 
through another source somehow, and because the more I think about it, 
the more benefit I see that I will derive from it I will continue to 
try, just not on this forum.  I love this forum and don't want to hurt 
it, but I wouldn't even let my pastor make my decisions for me, only GOD 
or HIS son the CHRIST.  Thanks.

Steven




From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 23:32:03 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:32:03 +0700
Subject: Password question.
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Hi there Steven,

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:09 AM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>
> If you know, I really like to do what I want.  Isn't that one of the
> most important purposes of our Brotherhood, Freedom to chose what we
> do?  Thanks! friend.  I hope I get the answer I want.  I am willing to
> accept the responsibility for my choice.  I cannot understand the
> risistence.  I am almost 66 years old, and really don't want or need
> someone else forcing my choices.  Nonetheless, thank you and all who are
> of your mind for your concern.  I mean no disrespect by choosing my
> way.  I won't blame any of you, if I break my machine.  Anyway, I invite
> anyone who has lost a digit to enter the discussion and explain in their
> words.  It would really improve our computing experience.


A few words about passwords:

   1. If you want a really long password use a pass phrase for example: "My
   dog's name is Rover but my wife's name isn't."
   2. Otherwise you can build one on personal data eg if George Alfred Black
   lived at 111 Some Highway Somewhere 50100 he could do something like
   'gAb50100ShS111' which is likely quite secure externally though not so from
   work mates or persons living with you.
   3. Avoid the consequences of a password crack by securing your box in
   depth: 'sudo apt-get install  bastille' then 'sudo bastille'. Without
   knowing what all of the questions mean you can safely accept it's default
   suggestions. In particular do not allow logins from the net.

Bob
-- 
In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!
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From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sun Nov 23 23:33:15 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:33:15 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <4929E4F7.4080600@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <4929DED2.4050104@yahoo.com>
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On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >  
>
> Thanks Paul.  You better understand my situation.  I truly wish I had
> the security concern.  I live and am totally alone.  I may see one
> person a week, and then they are not someone who has time to talk.  I
> see the mailman once in a while.

But you must also be concerned about someone coming in from the outside and 
being able to become root even though they are 100's of miles away.  That is 
part of the reason for security....   and the reason for having a firewall.



From rlp1938 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 23:46:41 2008
From: rlp1938 at gmail.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:46:41 +0700
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811231833.15435.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <4929DED2.4050104@yahoo.com>
	<4929E4F7.4080600@sbcglobal.net>
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com> wrote:

> On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Thanks Paul.  You better understand my situation.  I truly wish I had
> > the security concern.  I live and am totally alone.  I may see one
> > person a week, and then they are not someone who has time to talk.  I
> > see the mailman once in a while.
>
> But you must also be concerned about someone coming in from the outside and
> being able to become root even though they are 100's of miles away.  That
> is
> part of the reason for security....   and the reason for having a firewall.


Firewall is a Maginot Line easily tunneled through or gone around. Secure
the box in depth using bastille.

Bob
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From tuxebi at gmx.de  Sun Nov 23 23:54:02 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:54:02 +0100
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <4929E6E2.6070204@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcjp8$e17$1@ger.gmane.org>
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Steven Vollom wrote:

>>   
> 
> It appears that I am asking a question that has been well thought out.  
> If the reason you don't want to answer the question, and allow me, this 
> one time, to not take your advice, send the response directly to my 
> email address.  I promise to never post the solution.  The only way I 
> would tell anyone is to help someone with the same disability.  And for 
> your sake I would not help someone I did not trust and who did not 
> agreed to not post it.  I believe that I will be able to get the answer 
> through another source somehow, and because the more I think about it, 
> the more benefit I see that I will derive from it I will continue to 
> try, just not on this forum.  I love this forum and don't want to hurt 
> it, but I wouldn't even let my pastor make my decisions for me, only GOD 
> or HIS son the CHRIST.  Thanks.
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
Steven, this is very good and I would like you to continue with the way 
you choose by yourself.

Maybe you bother to read what people write?

For example, I wrote:

cite:
If you insist to have a separate password for root, you might google this:
http://www.ubuntux.org/how-to-change-the-root-password-in-ubuntu

cite end

It's a very small paragraph and there is anything that you need to 
answer your original question about how to give a different password to 
root.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 00:04:19 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:04:19 -0500
Subject: colors in /var/log **SOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <4929DEBF.4010002@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929CE11.6080009@sbcglobal.net> <4929D142.6080204@tiscali.co.uk>
	<4929D4F7.5030802@sbcglobal.net>
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> There are gui log viewers that help you parse out the raw logs and try
>> to see patterns and make sense of them.  There are also utilities
>> (command line), like logwatch, that can be configured to monitor the
>> logs there and send you an email when things that might concern you
>> happen.
>>
> Is configuring logwatch easy for someone like me or am I
> just inviting a new project?  Will it be answered when I begin
> understanding the manual, or is it pretty much advanced information?
>

I haven't used it in a while, but recall that there was a usable
default configuration.  There is no point in trying to configure it
until you understand what you want it to do.  Use the default config
and once you learn what it can do, you can fine tune it.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 00:08:25 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:08:25 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <ggcjp8$e17$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net>
	<ggcjp8$e17$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4929F079.5030506@sbcglobal.net>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is 
>>>> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a 
>>>> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of 
>>>> letters.  Is this possible?
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)
>>>
>>> While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu 
>>> concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather 
>>> secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.
>>>
>>> You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own 
>>> password.
>>>
>>> It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you 
>>> are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is 
>>> because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards 
>>> and you will need to treat it differently.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Eberhard
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Sorry I wasn't paying adequate attention to what you just wrote.  I was 
>> already thinking of possible reasons for avoiding this.  How does it 
>> change my system?  What change in behavior would be anticipated?  In my 
>> situation, is it more insecure?  TIA, friend.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
>
> Hi Steven,
>
> Well, I cannot answer this. There are numerous discussions around 
> whether the Ubuntu way is more secure or not than "the other way round", 
> which is, just for example, the SuSe or Red Hat way.
>
> Although I surely have my own opinion about this, I will not divulge it, 
> there are to many flames around. ;-)
>
> What are the differences?
>
> Now you are just doing sudo fsck /dev/sda1
> alternatively when you need to be root for any length of time, you will do:
> sudo -i
> Password
>
> With a separate root account, it is similar but not at all identical.
> For example, sudo "something" will no longer work (except if you go and 
> configure it) and you will most likely use "su -" to become root and 
> then "exit" or "Ctrl+D" to exit root.
>
> Furthermore, I think you REALLY might prefer to use a strong root 
> password and a weaker user password, since it is root where a 
> compromised security will have potentially disastrous consequences.
>
> Again, if you are familiar with the Ubnutu way, I would strongly 
> recommend to leave it at that.
>
> If you insist to have a separate password for root, you might google this:
> http://www.ubuntux.org/how-to-change-the-root-password-in-ubuntu
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>   
Dear Eberhard,

I know you understand my limitations; I am old, inexperienced, and do 
not know all the ramifications of what I ask.  Nonetheless, until 
someone can convince me that I can lose more than the OS and some data, 
I am willing to chance that, in favor of the great benefit it will serve 
me.  I don't think my advisers here in the forum believe I will ever use 
the safer Shell.  I think they believe I will just stay in Root.  I also 
believe that they probably have their computers set up to work much the 
same as I want mine, for ease of operation, unless they are subject to 
security issues which I am not.

Now I want to be sure I understand.  I can retain a logged in and 
password protected  sudo shell, and still have a more safe [not password 
protected] Shell to work from.  _I do not want to be in Root all the 
time_.  _I just want to be able to enter that security without have to 
type it in more than once per session_.  I don't feel that I am mistake 
proof, if I stay in Root all the time.  I believe _I am 100% safe with 
an already logged in Root Shell, if I can work from a secured shell, and 
when all I need to do is click on the Session menu item in the shell 
program and open Root Shell and already be logged in._  The contrast of 
their appearance will always be a reminder that I am on dangerous 
ground, and I will be careful.  I have to do that and be careful when I 
get sudo privileges anyway, don't I?

_I DO NOT want to change to a root password, if I cannot have a safer 
shell to work from_.  It is important.  I am always a little stressed 
when I enter a root command.  I am certain before I press the enter 
key.  Please respond one more time to confirm that I can do what I want 
to do and still have a safer Shell to work from.  With gratitude.  And 
lastly, I promise that if my decision is foolish, and I screw up, I will 
post the truth and eat the necessary crow, so that the forum can prosper 
from loss.  I actually believe that it is only appropriate as a solution 
for people with a similar problem, or for those who have an equally 
important reason for doing it.

The feature I am struggling to get back is one I regretted losing, when 
I upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy.  That feature helped me a lot.  And I 
used it the way I described.  _Please answer, I won't go to that website 
if you don't.
_
Steven
>
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 00:09:24 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:09:24 -0500
Subject: colors in /var/log **SOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811231604p427ff558t6993a56345c45e8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4929CE11.6080009@sbcglobal.net>
	<4929D142.6080204@tiscali.co.uk>	<4929D4F7.5030802@sbcglobal.net>	<5a1f6bd00811231445l1a1518ecy9c8d32ab281c41fd@mail.gmail.com>	<4929DEBF.4010002@sbcglobal.net>
	<5a1f6bd00811231604p427ff558t6993a56345c45e8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4929F0B4.3050304@sbcglobal.net>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>>> There are gui log viewers that help you parse out the raw logs and try
>>> to see patterns and make sense of them.  There are also utilities
>>> (command line), like logwatch, that can be configured to monitor the
>>> logs there and send you an email when things that might concern you
>>> happen.
>>>
>>>       
>> Is configuring logwatch easy for someone like me or am I
>> just inviting a new project?  Will it be answered when I begin
>> understanding the manual, or is it pretty much advanced information?
>>
>>     
>
> I haven't used it in a while, but recall that there was a usable
> default configuration.  There is no point in trying to configure it
> until you understand what you want it to do.  Use the default config
> and once you learn what it can do, you can fine tune it.
>
>
>   
Thanks Art.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 00:45:32 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:45:32 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811231833.15435.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<4929DED2.4050104@yahoo.com>	<4929E4F7.4080600@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231833.15435.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <4929F92C.7030703@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>>  
>>>       
>> Thanks Paul.  You better understand my situation.  I truly wish I had
>> the security concern.  I live and am totally alone.  I may see one
>> person a week, and then they are not someone who has time to talk.  I
>> see the mailman once in a while.
>>     
>
> But you must also be concerned about someone coming in from the outside and 
> being able to become root even though they are 100's of miles away.  That is 
> part of the reason for security....   and the reason for having a firewall.
>
>   
I don't want a lack of security.  I want the firewall.  I currently have 
a 2 digit login.  I do that because of the difficulty I have typing in 
something safer.  Absolutely anyone could break into my machine as it is 
now.  My limitations are something I have to live with.  I will never 
leave the computer on when I leave my studio.  So anyone who wants to 
break into it will have to figure out an unrelated to anything bunch of 
letters, cases, symbols none of which include my grandchildren's name, 
my dog, any name in the bible or any book, I am talking about I learned 
a 37 digit password that doesn't mean anything at all to me.  There is 
nothing I can reference it to.  I know it can be broken, but not as 
easily as most of everyone else's.  If it was safe to do, I would put a 
totally unrelated 1gb password on a thumb drive and increase my security 
even more, I just don't feel that insecure.  I would like to be more 
secure than I current am.  So if you all are worried for my sake, I 
virtually have an open door.  You might be interested you can only do 
this when you make a fresh install, Kubuntu will not let you reduce to 
an easier password than the one you are using unless on first 
installation.  Bruce, I love you.  You have never been anything but kind 
to me.  I have similar interests with your wife as an artist.  Why would 
you or anyone want to take a freedom from me?  I would never do  that 
with you.  I am perhaps the most responsible person you know.  I don't 
break my word ever, anymore.  I don't hide any of my weaknesses.  I have 
no pride.  I literally love every moment of my life anymore.  Why should 
I have this freedom taken from me.  It is unAmerican.  I realize that 
Kubuntu creators are in Africa.  At least that is what I am told.  But 
you are an American.  We thrive on freedom.

You do not have to give me the answer I need, even though it would be an 
act of kindness.  I will either get what I want or change to an 
operating system that provides it.  The forum has made me lose 
confidence in it.  I am not asking for the right to murder an unborn 
child, granting my request will hurt no one at all, even me.  I am a 
careful man.  And apparently you who try to protect me have the 
knowledge, or why would you not tell me it can't be done.  As you can 
see, I care deeply for serious matters, even though you may not agree 
with me.  And I am always going to care for those of you that I have 
become friends with, even if I have to give up Kubuntu.  I am weak and 
old, and unimportant, and still I will not be under the will of others, 
save for GOD and HIS perfect Son.  I would swallow razor blades for them 
if I thought it would please them at all.  But I resist this country I 
love, every time they strip us from another freedom.  I wear a seatbelt; 
maybe I would and maybe I wouldn't if not forced to.  It is just another 
form of taxation without representation.  I never got a vote on the 
issue.  I hate taxing addictive things even though I disapprove of 
alcohol and cigaretts or gasoline, because it has become such a 
necessity in our way of life.  I hate turning a criminal lose because of 
some stupid decision made by a judge somewhere in this country which was 
used to get  a guilty person out of jail.  I want their kind of freedom.

When two people oppose each other in court, why is their usually some 
kind of compromise rather than complete exhoneration and penalty to the 
extent of the crime.  All of this is the same thing to me.  Nothing I 
have used for examples is more or less to me than refusing the freedom I 
ask.  To me, right is right, and wrong is wrong.  I don't even want 
quarter when I am the one judged. 

My prayer to GOD, when I may be guilty of offending HIM is, I desire HIS 
discipline, full measure, when I am wrong, and HIS supernatural support, 
when I am right and subject to a stronger opponent.  I don't want to get 
away with anything.  I want HIS forgiveness when my heart is truly 
repentant, and not until.  I want HIM to be a little more forgiving with 
you and those others I love, but not for me.  I want to be better than I 
am.  I also want my Root Shell pre-password protected, if I can also 
have a safe shell to work from.

Cordially,

Steven



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Mon Nov 24 00:50:05 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:50:05 +0100
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <4929F079.5030506@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcjp8$e17$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4929F079.5030506@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <ggctns$74u$1@ger.gmane.org>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>>>> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is 
>>>>> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a 
>>>>> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of 
>>>>> letters.  Is this possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>> With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)
>>>>
>>>> While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu 
>>>> concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather 
>>>> secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.
>>>>
>>>> You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own 
>>>> password.
>>>>
>>>> It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you 
>>>> are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is 
>>>> because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards 
>>>> and you will need to treat it differently.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Eberhard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>> Sorry I wasn't paying adequate attention to what you just wrote.  I was 
>>> already thinking of possible reasons for avoiding this.  How does it 
>>> change my system?  What change in behavior would be anticipated?  In my 
>>> situation, is it more insecure?  TIA, friend.
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>     
>> Hi Steven,
>>
>> Well, I cannot answer this. There are numerous discussions around 
>> whether the Ubuntu way is more secure or not than "the other way round", 
>> which is, just for example, the SuSe or Red Hat way.
>>
>> Although I surely have my own opinion about this, I will not divulge it, 
>> there are to many flames around. ;-)
>>
>> What are the differences?
>>
>> Now you are just doing sudo fsck /dev/sda1
>> alternatively when you need to be root for any length of time, you will do:
>> sudo -i
>> Password
>>
>> With a separate root account, it is similar but not at all identical.
>> For example, sudo "something" will no longer work (except if you go and 
>> configure it) and you will most likely use "su -" to become root and 
>> then "exit" or "Ctrl+D" to exit root.
>>
>> Furthermore, I think you REALLY might prefer to use a strong root 
>> password and a weaker user password, since it is root where a 
>> compromised security will have potentially disastrous consequences.
>>
>> Again, if you are familiar with the Ubnutu way, I would strongly 
>> recommend to leave it at that.
>>
>> If you insist to have a separate password for root, you might google this:
>> http://www.ubuntux.org/how-to-change-the-root-password-in-ubuntu
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Eberhard
>>   
> Dear Eberhard,
> 
> I know you understand my limitations; I am old, inexperienced, and do 
> not know all the ramifications of what I ask.  Nonetheless, until 
> someone can convince me that I can lose more than the OS and some data, 
> I am willing to chance that, in favor of the great benefit it will serve 
> me.  I don't think my advisers here in the forum believe I will ever use 
> the safer Shell.  I think they believe I will just stay in Root.  I also 
> believe that they probably have their computers set up to work much the 
> same as I want mine, for ease of operation, unless they are subject to 
> security issues which I am not.
> 
> Now I want to be sure I understand.  I can retain a logged in and 
> password protected  sudo shell, and still have a more safe [not password 
> protected] Shell to work from.  _I do not want to be in Root all the 
> time_.  _I just want to be able to enter that security without have to 
> type it in more than once per session_.  I don't feel that I am mistake 
> proof, if I stay in Root all the time.  I believe _I am 100% safe with 
> an already logged in Root Shell, if I can work from a secured shell, and 
> when all I need to do is click on the Session menu item in the shell 
> program and open Root Shell and already be logged in._  The contrast of 
> their appearance will always be a reminder that I am on dangerous 
> ground, and I will be careful.  I have to do that and be careful when I 
> get sudo privileges anyway, don't I?
> 
> _I DO NOT want to change to a root password, if I cannot have a safer 
> shell to work from_.  It is important.  I am always a little stressed 
> when I enter a root command.  I am certain before I press the enter 
> key.  Please respond one more time to confirm that I can do what I want 
> to do and still have a safer Shell to work from.  With gratitude.  And 
> lastly, I promise that if my decision is foolish, and I screw up, I will 
> post the truth and eat the necessary crow, so that the forum can prosper 
> from loss.  I actually believe that it is only appropriate as a solution 
> for people with a similar problem, or for those who have an equally 
> important reason for doing it.
> 
> The feature I am struggling to get back is one I regretted losing, when 
> I upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy.  That feature helped me a lot.  And I 
> used it the way I described.  _Please answer, I won't go to that website 
> if you don't.
> _
> Steven
>>
>>   
> 
> 
ok. Back to square one. What I understand:
You want to have a root shell always open to accept root commands.

This is somewhat different from what I originally understood, i.e. you 
want a root user with a different password.

Now:
Given that there are a multitude of possibilities, only two come to my mind:

1.
You can have a root shell, opened once and open all the time until you 
log out without any change to the system.

Simply open a shell of your choice at startup and then issue the command
"sudo -i" without the quotes

After giving your password this shell will be open until you close it.


2.

If you want to have a seperate user password for root AND have a 
permanently open root shell, then go to the webpage I googled for you, 
follow the very easy instructions there, and finally change root's 
password to something that you like.

Then after your system starts up, you open a shell or a KDE rootshell, 
enter your password (in the KDE rootshell) or issue the command:
"su -" (in the regular user shell). After giving your newly created root 
password, this shell will remain open as long as you do not close it.

Hopefully I now covered what you are needing.

If not, I am sorry

Kind regards
Eberhard




From santana.santanaa at bol.com.br  Mon Nov 24 00:55:24 2008
From: santana.santanaa at bol.com.br (Mosair Alves Santana)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:55:24 -0200
Subject: Password question.
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 01:05:01 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:05:01 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is 
>>>> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a 
>>>> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of 
>>>> letters.  Is this possible?
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)
>>>
>>> While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu 
>>> concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather 
>>> secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.
>>>
>>> You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own 
>>> password.
>>>
>>> It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you 
>>> are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is 
>>> because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards 
>>> and you will need to treat it differently.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Eberhard
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Sorry I wasn't paying adequate attention to what you just wrote.  I was 
>> already thinking of possible reasons for avoiding this.  How does it 
>> change my system?  What change in behavior would be anticipated?  In my 
>> situation, is it more insecure?  TIA, friend.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
>
> Hi Steven,
>
> Well, I cannot answer this. There are numerous discussions around 
> whether the Ubuntu way is more secure or not than "the other way round", 
> which is, just for example, the SuSe or Red Hat way.
>
> Although I surely have my own opinion about this, I will not divulge it, 
> there are to many flames around. ;-)
>
> What are the differences?
>
> Now you are just doing sudo fsck /dev/sda1
> alternatively when you need to be root for any length of time, you will do:
> sudo -i
> Password
>   
I don't understand this.
> With a separate root account, it is similar but not at all identical.
> For example, sudo "something" will no longer work (except if you go and 
> configure it) and you will most likely use "su -" to become root and 
> then "exit" or "Ctrl+D" to exit root.
>
> Furthermore, I think you REALLY might prefer to use a strong root 
> password and a weaker user password, since it is root where a 
> compromised security will have potentially disastrous consequences.
>
> Again, if you are familiar with the Ubnutu way, I would strongly 
> recommend to leave it at that.
>
> If you insist to have a separate password for root, you might google this:
> http://www.ubuntux.org/how-to-change-the-root-password-in-ubuntu
>   
So that you know and everyone in the world knows I need it my way, Here 
is my password.  em  It is my youngest granddaughter's name, short for 
Emma or Emmalie.  Now am I insecure enough.  I have done that because of 
Kubuntu's insistance to not allow a Root terminal.  What I want is 
surely better than this.  Now until I can get my way on the issue or get 
abused by whomever.  I would rather lose what I own than any freedom.  
If GOD don't protect me from this new threat, I don't want protection at 
all.  I will just keep my Root Password 'em' all lower case.  Those of 
you who want to see if I tell the truth and can do it, see if I am not 
telling the truth.  I never have much to steal, so help yourself, I 
forgive you in advance.  Whether GOD does is up to HIM. HE has HIS own 
idea of what is right and wrong.  And Eberhard, this part of my comment 
is not for you, for you, I believe have provided what I need.  It is for 
those who choose to keep this information to themselves, and determine 
my necessary freedoms.  And I have been so well treated in this forum, I 
will always love them anyway.  You, Eb, are a little more special. (wink)

Have you ever seen so many resistant posts to a single individual on the 
selfsame subject.  No one says you can not do it, or no one says it is 
something that cannot be done, yet all say don't do it.  Yet everyone 
just gives a very soft logic why you shouldn't do it and no argument as 
to why my reasons are not good enough, which, in this forum, leads me to 
believe you think you are helping someone who can't take care of himself 
or a liar.  In either case, it is not very flattering, but I forgive you 
all if that is what you think.  Your kindness has far exceeded your insult.

I still love you all.

Steven

Cordially,

Steven
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>
>
>
>   




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 01:12:31 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:12:31 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> So that you know and everyone in the world knows I need it my way, Here
> is my password.  em  It is my youngest granddaughter's name, short for
> Emma or Emmalie.  Now am I insecure enough.  I have done that because of
> Kubuntu's insistance to not allow a Root terminal.

Wrong.   You can have a root terminal very easily.  

sudo passwd  root
Enter password:  <enter your normal user passwd>
Enter new password:  <enter a root password>
Repeat new password:  <repeat the root passwod>

You are done.

from that point on, just issue   su -   and then enter the root password.

People will yell at me/you for this, but we're not children.



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 01:15:05 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:15:05 +0200
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
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Steven Vollom wrote:
> I am starting to learn to use a terminal.  The manual said I could see 
> my mounted partitions by typing mount.  I did, and partitions I expected 
> to me mounted were mounted, however, sdb5 should have shown and did not.
> 
> As I recall, I cannot yet use that partition by trying to save to it, 
> but I am able to enter a sub-directore that is in that partition.  So I 
> am able to store data in the drive, just not in sdb5.  I would really 
> like that partition to work like the other partitions that are used for 
> storage.  If that is the reason sdb5 does not show up as mounted, how do 
> I properly mount that partition?  TIA
> 
> I bet a lot of you who recognize my name can see improvement in my 
> understanding.
> 
> Steven
> 

i wasn't following much in the previous conversation. good job in trying 
to understand mount :D

if the partition is not showing when you type mount, this means it's not 
mounted yet. did the guys tell you how to mount it? if so, try to use 
that command and then check mount. if not, we want to know how it was 
mounted last time, maybe through dolphin's automount?
anyway, to mount a partition automatically, it has to be listed in the 
file /etc/fstab . as soon as you think you understand mounting, try to 
learn fstab. type the following on the command line:
konqueror man:/fstab


-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Mon Nov 24 01:23:28 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:23:28 -0500
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On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:

>> Steven, either there is a typu, or you did it wrong, its kwinrc, not
>> kwinrd.
>>
>> Hint, most of the services have a configuration file and this file is
>> generally the services name + either a '.conf', '.rc' or just a plain 'rc'
>
>I didn't notice that, but I did get it right, because it worked.  Do you
>know if I should delete the kwinrc.old file I created.  When I booted, I
>got the old configuration back.  I just have to remember this; it is
>such a sweet fix for this kind of problem.  Thanks for your continued
>interest, friend.  I am getting more confident I can learn this stuff
>every day.

Now that its working, you might want to rename the newly made file to 
a 'name'.new, and take the .old off the other one & restart x to see if the 
miss-behaviour is back.  If it is, reverse the naming back to where it was, 
re-start x again, and delete the old one at your convenience.  With the wrong 
name, is isn't going to hurt anything to leave it, other than waste a 
kilobyte or 5 of disk space.  20 years ago when floppies were 360k, and 
machines had only 64k of ram, we worried about every byte, but a little lint 
laying around on a 100Gb drive doesn't amount to much.  And you have learned 
something. :)
>
>Cordially,
>Steven
-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
	A man was reading The Canterbury Tales one Saturday morning, when his
wife asked "What have you got there?"  Replied he, "Just my cup and Chaucer."



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 01:29:35 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:29:35 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I would like to set a password that allows me to enter my system that is 
>>>>>> very secure, however, when I am in the system, I would like to have a 
>>>>>> very simple password to enter root, perhaps as small as a couple of 
>>>>>> letters.  Is this possible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>> With Linux, genarally anything is possible.;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> While this is possible, I would not advise to implent it. The Ubuntu 
>>>>> concept of the first  user i.e. the admin user is that you use a rather 
>>>>> secure password to login and then use the same to "su" to root, as needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can alter this and there are howtos to separate root to use its own 
>>>>> password.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's actually quite simple but I would not advise you to do it since you 
>>>>> are already familiar with the "Ubuntu way" of doing things. This is 
>>>>> because, when you do it, your system will behave differently afterwards 
>>>>> and you will need to treat it differently.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Eberhard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> Sorry I wasn't paying adequate attention to what you just wrote.  I was 
>>>> already thinking of possible reasons for avoiding this.  How does it 
>>>> change my system?  What change in behavior would be anticipated?  In my 
>>>> situation, is it more insecure?  TIA, friend.
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Hi Steven,
>>>
>>> Well, I cannot answer this. There are numerous discussions around 
>>> whether the Ubuntu way is more secure or not than "the other way round", 
>>> which is, just for example, the SuSe or Red Hat way.
>>>
>>> Although I surely have my own opinion about this, I will not divulge it, 
>>> there are to many flames around. ;-)
>>>
>>> What are the differences?
>>>
>>> Now you are just doing sudo fsck /dev/sda1
>>> alternatively when you need to be root for any length of time, you will do:
>>> sudo -i
>>> Password
>>>
>>> With a separate root account, it is similar but not at all identical.
>>> For example, sudo "something" will no longer work (except if you go and 
>>> configure it) and you will most likely use "su -" to become root and 
>>> then "exit" or "Ctrl+D" to exit root.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, I think you REALLY might prefer to use a strong root 
>>> password and a weaker user password, since it is root where a 
>>> compromised security will have potentially disastrous consequences.
>>>
>>> Again, if you are familiar with the Ubnutu way, I would strongly 
>>> recommend to leave it at that.
>>>
>>> If you insist to have a separate password for root, you might google this:
>>> http://www.ubuntux.org/how-to-change-the-root-password-in-ubuntu
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Eberhard
>>>   
>>>       
>> Dear Eberhard,
>>
>> I know you understand my limitations; I am old, inexperienced, and do 
>> not know all the ramifications of what I ask.  Nonetheless, until 
>> someone can convince me that I can lose more than the OS and some data, 
>> I am willing to chance that, in favor of the great benefit it will serve 
>> me.  I don't think my advisers here in the forum believe I will ever use 
>> the safer Shell.  I think they believe I will just stay in Root.  I also 
>> believe that they probably have their computers set up to work much the 
>> same as I want mine, for ease of operation, unless they are subject to 
>> security issues which I am not.
>>
>> Now I want to be sure I understand.  I can retain a logged in and 
>> password protected  sudo shell, and still have a more safe [not password 
>> protected] Shell to work from.  _I do not want to be in Root all the 
>> time_.  _I just want to be able to enter that security without have to 
>> type it in more than once per session_.  I don't feel that I am mistake 
>> proof, if I stay in Root all the time.  I believe _I am 100% safe with 
>> an already logged in Root Shell, if I can work from a secured shell, and 
>> when all I need to do is click on the Session menu item in the shell 
>> program and open Root Shell and already be logged in._  The contrast of 
>> their appearance will always be a reminder that I am on dangerous 
>> ground, and I will be careful.  I have to do that and be careful when I 
>> get sudo privileges anyway, don't I?
>>
>> _I DO NOT want to change to a root password, if I cannot have a safer 
>> shell to work from_.  It is important.  I am always a little stressed 
>> when I enter a root command.  I am certain before I press the enter 
>> key.  Please respond one more time to confirm that I can do what I want 
>> to do and still have a safer Shell to work from.  With gratitude.  And 
>> lastly, I promise that if my decision is foolish, and I screw up, I will 
>> post the truth and eat the necessary crow, so that the forum can prosper 
>> from loss.  I actually believe that it is only appropriate as a solution 
>> for people with a similar problem, or for those who have an equally 
>> important reason for doing it.
>>
>> The feature I am struggling to get back is one I regretted losing, when 
>> I upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy.  That feature helped me a lot.  And I 
>> used it the way I described.  _Please answer, I won't go to that website 
>> if you don't.
>> _
>> Steven
>>     
>>>   
>>>       
>>     
> ok. Back to square one. What I understand:
> You want to have a root shell always open to accept root commands.
>
> This is somewhat different from what I originally understood, i.e. you 
> want a root user with a different password.
>
> Now:
> Given that there are a multitude of possibilities, only two come to my mind:
>
> 1.
> You can have a root shell, opened once and open all the time until you 
> log out without any change to the system.
>
> Simply open a shell of your choice at startup and then issue the command
> "sudo -i" without the quotes
>
> After giving your password this shell will be open until you close it.
>
>
> 2.
>
> If you want to have a seperate user password for root AND have a 
> permanently open root shell, then go to the webpage I googled for you, 
> follow the very easy instructions there, and finally change root's 
> password to something that you like.
>
> Then after your system starts up, you open a shell or a KDE rootshell, 
> enter your password (in the KDE rootshell) or issue the command:
> "su -" (in the regular user shell). After giving your newly created root 
> password, this shell will remain open as long as you do not close it.
>
> Hopefully I now covered what you are needing.
>
> If not, I am sorry
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>
>
>   
Eberhard, you have me in a belly laugh.  This has been so fun.  I truly 
want to hug you.  Everyone I know gets a hug when I see them.  It is 
just the way I am for those I love.

To be sure I have the correct choice, because I do have concerns that I 
could make a serious mistake.  I would like to type in my 37 digit 
password to open the operating system when I boot up.  In the Shell 
dropdown, I would like to have at least two choices.  Choice one, Shell 
steven at Studio25:~$ for my work, and steven at Studio25:~# for Root 
changes.  Mostly I will be working in a shell with white print over a 
black backgroung.  When I open the Root Shell, it will be Black print on 
a white background, glaringly different.  I won't even have to think 
when I open it, it will, by it's colors be a reminder, because you don't 
open Root very often.  And I only want to open it once a day.

Eberhard, it seems if the web site instruction allows what I want it 
would actually be better than keeping an active Root Shell on my 
drop-down links, but only because I will probably open it unnecessarily 
some times.  The other way, it is tucked inside an Icon that provides 
the two options.  By the way, I am still laughing.  This has been so 
fun, and funny to me.  If I have this right, the way I described, Thank 
You!!!!

Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 01:34:50 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:34:50 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert, and Nubies like
	me.
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Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>>     
>
>   
>>> Steven, either there is a typu, or you did it wrong, its kwinrc, not
>>> kwinrd.
>>>
>>> Hint, most of the services have a configuration file and this file is
>>> generally the services name + either a '.conf', '.rc' or just a plain 'rc'
>>>       
>> I didn't notice that, but I did get it right, because it worked.  Do you
>> know if I should delete the kwinrc.old file I created.  When I booted, I
>> got the old configuration back.  I just have to remember this; it is
>> such a sweet fix for this kind of problem.  Thanks for your continued
>> interest, friend.  I am getting more confident I can learn this stuff
>> every day.
>>     
>
> Now that its working, you might want to rename the newly made file to 
> a 'name'.new, and take the .old off the other one & restart x to see if the 
> miss-behaviour is back.  If it is, reverse the naming back to where it was, 
> re-start x again, and delete the old one at your convenience.  With the wrong 
> name, is isn't going to hurt anything to leave it, other than waste a 
> kilobyte or 5 of disk space.  20 years ago when floppies were 360k, and 
> machines had only 64k of ram, we worried about every byte, but a little lint 
> laying around on a 100Gb drive doesn't amount to much.  And you have learned 
> something. :)
>   
>> Cordially,
>> Steven
>>     
Thanks, Gene,

You guys that are helping have just lifted my life.  I laugh all the 
time, because I get so happy.  I was so horribly alone before.  Here I 
can communicate and still be accomplishing something most of the time, 
and you are all so great, you have add a happy factor in my life.  I 
wasn't sad before, I just had nothing to be happy about.  Now I do.  If 
you could see my face, you would know how much it means to me.  I am 
laughing all the time.  Maybe 50 times a day.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 01:50:00 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:50:00 -0500
Subject: Password question.
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Mosair Alves Santana wrote:
>
> Boa Noite!
>
> Antes  de mais nada , quero me desculpar, pois vocês tem se esforçado 
> em transmitir a mim todas as minhas necessidades, mas falta a 
> principal: É por isso, que estou discontente com o LÍNOX, pois até 
> para salvar, copiar e colar, não funcionam, só para terem uma base, eu 
> pesquiso via internet , copio e na hora de colar nas pastas não há 
> como efetuar, e isto me faz nervoso, pois às vezes são coisas que é 
> útil a mim, nos estudos... por isso, estou insatisfeito com línox, não 
> está me atendendo bem e adequadamente.... Desculpe-me
>
> Abraços de Mosair Alves Santana.
> **
>
>
>     Bruce Marshall wrote:
>     > On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>     >
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >> Thanks Paul. You better understand my situation. I truly wish I had
>     >> the security concern. I live and am totally alone. I may see one
>     >> person a week, and then they are not someone who has time to
>     talk. I
>     >> see the mailman once in a while.
>     >>
>     >
>     > But you must also be concerned about someone coming in from the
>     outside and
>     > being able to become root even though they are 100's of miles
>     away. That is
>     > part of the reason for security.... and the reason for having a
>     firewall.
>     >
>     >
>     I don't want a lack of security. I want the firewall. I currently
>     have
>     a 2 digit login. I do that because of the difficulty I have typing in
>     something safer. Absolutely anyone could break into my machine as
>     it is
>     now. My limitations are something I have to live with. I will never
>     leave the computer on when I leave my studio. So anyone who wants to
>     break into it will have to figure out an unrelated to anything
>     bunch of
>     letters, cases, symbols none of which include my grandchildren's
>     name,
>     my dog, any name in the bible or any book, I am talking about I
>     learned
>     a 37 digit password that doesn't mean anything at all to me. There is
>     nothing I can reference it to. I know it can be broken, but not as
>     easily as most of everyone else's. If it was safe to do, I would
>     put a
>     totally unrelated 1gb password on a thumb drive and increase my
>     security
>     even more, I just don't feel that insecure. I would like to be more
>     secure than I current am. So if you all are worried for my sake, I
>     virtually have an open door. You might be interested you can only do
>     this when you make a fresh install, Kubuntu will not let you
>     reduce to
>     an easier password than the one you are using unless on first
>     installation. Bruce, I love you. You have never been anything but
>     kind
>     to me. I have similar interests with your wife as an artist. Why
>     would
>     you or anyone want to take a freedom from me? I would never do that
>     with you. I am perhaps the most responsible person you know. I don't
>     break my word ever, anymore. I don't hide any of my weaknesses. I
>     have
>     no pride. I literally love every moment of my life anymore. Why
>     should
>     I have this freedom taken from me. It is unAmerican. I realize that
>     Kubuntu creators are in Africa. At least that is what I am told. But
>     you are an American. We thrive on freedom.
>
>     You do not have to give me the answer I need, even though it would
>     be an
>     act of kindness. I will either get what I want or change to an
>     operating system that provides it. The forum has made me lose
>     confidence in it. I am not asking for the right to murder an unborn
>     child, granting my request will hurt no one at all, even me. I am a
>     careful man. And apparently you who try to protect me have the
>     knowledge, or why would you not tell me it can't be done. As you can
>     see, I care deeply for serious matters, even though you may not agree
>     with me. And I am always going to care for those of you that I have
>     become friends with, even if I have to give up Kubuntu. I am weak and
>     old, and unimportant, and still I will not be under the will of
>     others,
>     save for GOD and HIS perfect Son. I would swallow razor blades for
>     them
>     if I thought it would please them at all. But I resist this country I
>     love, every time they strip us from another freedom. I wear a
>     seatbelt;
>     maybe I would and maybe I wouldn't if not forced to. It is just
>     another
>     form of taxation without representation. I never got a vote on the
>     issue. I hate taxing addictive things even though I disapprove of
>     alcohol and cigaretts or gasoline, because it has become such a
>     necessity in our way of life. I hate turning a criminal lose
>     because of
>     some stupid decision made by a judge somewhere in this country
>     which was
>     used to get a guilty person out of jail. I want their kind of freedom.
>
>     When two people oppose each other in court, why is their usually some
>     kind of compromise rather than complete exhoneration and penalty
>     to the
>     extent of the crime. All of this is the same thing to me. Nothing I
>     have used for examples is more or less to me than refusing the
>     freedom I
>     ask. To me, right is right, and wrong is wrong. I don't even want
>     quarter when I am the one judged.
>
>     My prayer to GOD, when I may be guilty of offending HIM is, I
>     desire HIS
>     discipline, full measure, when I am wrong, and HIS supernatural
>     support,
>     when I am right and subject to a stronger opponent. I don't want
>     to get
>     away with anything. I want HIS forgiveness when my heart is truly
>     repentant, and not until. I want HIM to be a little more forgiving
>     with
>     you and those others I love, but not for me. I want to be better
>     than I
>     am. I also want my Root Shell pre-password protected, if I can also
>     have a safe shell to work from.
>
>     Cordially,
>
>     Steven
>
>     -- 
>     kubuntu-users mailing list
>     kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>     Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
>     https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>
Dear Mosair,

I don't know how to use the translator yet, and I am not sure if you are 
speaking Spanish, Italian, or perhaps Portugese, but the language looks 
somewhat familiar.  I will save this email and learn how to translate it 
and get back to you.

I think you are saying to not quit using Linux.  If that is so, don't 
worry my friend.  Where could I go to.  Certainly not Vista.  I just 
wanted those who were trying to help me, for my sake, to stop trying so 
hard, and help me solve my problem anyway.  You have to be missing a 
finger to know how important it is. 

If you think about it, when you take a stuck lid off a jar, it requires 
all your fingers to be the same length to be strong enough to get it 
off.  Just missing the end of one, eliminates any strength you would get 
from the missing one and those that follow.  All and the only strength 
comes from the ones near the thumb.  Also when one finger is shorter, 
you have to stretch to reach the upper keys.  And with a hard wide 
insensitive to touch end, it is hard to hit only one key, and you don't 
get any help from your sense of feeling.   Anyway, I could never leave 
Linux, it would take me away from this forum.  And since you are writing 
me from this forum, I already know I like you.

As soon as I can get this translation thing figured out, let's be 
friends.  I think you wrote once before and I failed to understand and 
did not respond.  Please forgive my laziness.  I can't wait to 
understand what you have to say.

Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,

Steven

Cordially, my friend,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 01:51:32 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:51:32 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0811231522l4608ce26wc818fa0756b49614@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>	<200811232238.36959.kassube@gmx.net>
	<4929D398.7080201@sbcglobal.net>	<4929D8AA.2030508@yahoo.it>
	<4929DD22.5090004@sbcglobal.net>
	<3dde113c0811231522l4608ce26wc818fa0756b49614@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492A08A4.6060409@sbcglobal.net>

John DeCarlo wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Steven Vollom 
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net <mailto:stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
>     >> Neither worked for me Nils.  Firstly, in the address bar of
>     Konqueror it
>     >> says, http://linuxcommand.org/lts0040.php.  The page that I want to
>     >> highlight is probably 2 pages in length.  What I would like to
>     do is
>
>
>
> OK Steven, I just did this.
>
> In the web page, hold down your left mouse button (just to the left of 
> the title, A Guided Tour) and holding the left mouse button down, move 
> the mouse down until the entire table is highlighted. 
>
> Then press Ctrl-C.
>
> Then click inside the Open Office document and press Ctrl-V.
>
> The table is now in your document.
>
> -- 
> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf 
> <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf>
Thank you.  I am very busy in a project and may not be able to do it 
right away, but I will take your advice.  Thanks again.

Steven




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 02:23:27 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:23:27 -0500
Subject: Translate Italian, I think.
Message-ID: <492A101F.3080700@sbcglobal.net>

I have received two emails from someone writing in a language I don't 
read.  I thing it is written in Italian or perhaps Portugese for his or 
her greeting is 'Boa Noite!", sounds like good evening to me.  Anyway is 
there a way to find out what he is saying, like some sort of 
translator.  I am going to copy a few more words to see if any of you 
recognize the language.  "Antes  de mais nada , quero me desculpar, pois 
vocês tem se esforçado em transmitir..."  I did not respond to the first 
email, and forgot to research how to understand it.  Anyway, I am 
willing to learn the language if that is what I have to do to respond.  
This forum has been good to me; so he must be just great too.  And if he 
needs help and someone is helping him from this forum, can you tell me 
his or her nationality so I can respond.

Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 02:27:47 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:27:47 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811231701.55379.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929C78B.6050508@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231701.55379.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492A1123.3010406@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Dear Eberhard,
>>
>> I have a very secure password that I am able to remember.  It is not
>> easy to crack, because it is a combination of 37 upper/lower case
>> letters, numbers, and symbols, that are embedded into my otherwise
>> terrible memory.  They don't relate to anything as far as I know.  
>> Nothing relating to soc sec forward or backward or every other or every
>> 1, 2, 3, etc.  They are gibberish even to me.
>>     
>
> Waaay   overkill!
>
> 10 chars is more than enough, especially if you are behind a firewall such as 
> most routers put up.
>
>   
Since I have this password locked in my otherwise failing memory, I 
thought that if I can keep a Root Terminal, as well as, a secure Shell, 
open for entire session, even if I am on for 20 hours or so, it might be 
worthwhile to use.  I only have to enter it once a day.

Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,

Steven



From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com  Mon Nov 24 02:40:46 2008
From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:40:46 -0500
Subject: Translate Italian, I think.
In-Reply-To: <492A101F.3080700@sbcglobal.net>
References: <492A101F.3080700@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492A142E.6040602@ajinfosearch.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I have received two emails from someone writing in a language I don't 
> read.  I thing it is written in Italian or perhaps Portugese for his or 
> her greeting is 'Boa Noite!", sounds like good evening to me.  Anyway is 
> there a way to find out what he is saying, like some sort of 
> translator.  I am going to copy a few more words to see if any of you 
> recognize the language.  "Antes  de mais nada , quero me desculpar, pois 
> vocês tem se esforçado em transmitir..."  I did not respond to the first 
> email, and forgot to research how to understand it.  Anyway, I am 
> willing to learn the language if that is what I have to do to respond.  
> This forum has been good to me; so he must be just great too.  And if he 
> needs help and someone is helping him from this forum, can you tell me 
> his or her nationality so I can respond.
> 
> Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,
> 
> Steven
> 
It does appear to be Portugese.  There are some online transation tools 
available but they differ in quality by languages.  I keep two bookmarked and 
try each one to see what comes out.  I'm sure there are more, but here are the 
links of what I use and what came out.

Google translator:  http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en&referrer=ign_n
	"First of all, I apologize, because if you have tried to convey"

Yahoo translator (babelfish): http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt
	"Before more nothing, I want to excuse itself, therefore vocês if it has 
strengthenn in transmitting"

Just copy and paste your the email into the translate box, pick the language it 
is in and what you want it to come out as and away you go!

Alan
-- 
"The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated 
concept.  If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in 
life and actually grok it."
                                                                          - 
author unknown
Things I grok: 0



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 02:41:21 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:41:21 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <8f6eb7340811231532p27de358fsd3d35badf03c87b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<f495db580811231350j71a8cceeo65844cde948df79f@mail.gmail.com>	<4929D753.1060000@sbcglobal.net>	<200811231750.37584.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>	<4929E2BB.1080409@sbcglobal.net>
	<8f6eb7340811231532p27de358fsd3d35badf03c87b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492A1451.6080902@sbcglobal.net>

Robert Parker wrote:
> Hi there Steven,
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:09 AM, Steven Vollom 
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net <mailto:stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     If you know, I really like to do what I want.  Isn't that one of the
>     most important purposes of our Brotherhood, Freedom to chose what we
>     do?  Thanks! friend.  I hope I get the answer I want.  I am willing to
>     accept the responsibility for my choice.  I cannot understand the
>     risistence.  I am almost 66 years old, and really don't want or need
>     someone else forcing my choices.  Nonetheless, thank you and all
>     who are
>     of your mind for your concern.  I mean no disrespect by choosing my
>     way.  I won't blame any of you, if I break my machine.  Anyway, I
>     invite
>     anyone who has lost a digit to enter the discussion and explain in
>     their
>     words.  It would really improve our computing experience.
>
>
> A few words about passwords:
>
>    1. If you want a really long password use a pass phrase for
>       example: "My dog's name is Rover but my wife's name isn't."
>    2. Otherwise you can build one on personal data eg if George Alfred
>       Black lived at 111 Some Highway Somewhere 50100 he could do
>       something like 'gAb50100ShS111' which is likely quite secure
>       externally though not so from work mates or persons living with you.
>    3. Avoid the consequences of a password crack by securing your box
>       in depth: 'sudo apt-get install  bastille' then 'sudo bastille'.
>       Without knowing what all of the questions mean you can safely
>       accept it's default suggestions. In particular do not allow
>       logins from the net.
>
> Bob
> -- 
> In a world without walls who needs Windows (or Gates)? Try Linux instead!
>
I love your Gates remark.  Strangely enough I have little memory 
anymore, but I seem to remember numbers, and numbers and letters and 
symbols in any order.  A few years back when I was responding to the 
suggestions of others I created a totally random password that has no 
relationship to anything.  There are no words or patternable symbols or 
relatable numbers, it is babylon.  But I can't seem to forget it.  It is 
just I am missing the end of one finger, ring finger on my right hand, 
and I can't type that password error free 50% of the time.  So I don't 
use it except as a master password for something I rarely need to get 
into.  All I wanted to do is use that password when I get on the 
computer, then when I am working not have to make mistakes everytime by 
having to type it in every time I need to enter root.  I wanted a Root 
Shell that is always active and a regular Shell to work from.  Then when 
I needed Root privileges, all I need do is Open the Shell Icon and 
choose the Root Shell.  I want it to open without typing in a password 
like this:  steven at Studio25:~# /ready/to/go 
-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
I live alone all the time and rarely have a visitor.  So there is never 
anyone looking over my shoulder that I would not tell my password to.  
Nonetheless, when I am on my laptop or even here at my Desktop, it would 
be nice to have good security that I only have to type in once per session.

Is this unreasonable?

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 02:49:28 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:49:28 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811231833.15435.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<4929DED2.4050104@yahoo.com>	<4929E4F7.4080600@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231833.15435.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492A1638.3050804@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>>  
>>>       
>> Thanks Paul.  You better understand my situation.  I truly wish I had
>> the security concern.  I live and am totally alone.  I may see one
>> person a week, and then they are not someone who has time to talk.  I
>> see the mailman once in a while.
>>     
>
> But you must also be concerned about someone coming in from the outside and 
> being able to become root even though they are 100's of miles away.  That is 
> part of the reason for security....   and the reason for having a firewall.
>
>   
I was advised to get a package called bastille.  Do you know it?

I have no security at all right now.  I told everyone my 2 letter 
password on the list.  You don't have to be a hacker to crack that 
code.  I figure with a 37 digit password I am pretty safe, especially 
with a good firewall.  So that is why I want a little more freedom when 
I am on my computer.  Am I insecure when I am online?  If so I did not 
know that.  I thought you couldn't get in my computer while I am on it.  
I never have enough for anyone to steal, so I was probably secure enough 
with the 2 letter root password.

I get the idea that if you are talking about someone 100 miles away, you 
are not talking about me on vacation.  Can't I put up enough wall to not 
also need a password protected Root while I am using the system.  Isn't 
there an intruder alert or something that would notice?  Anyway I am not 
going to live in any state of fear.  I would rather someone got away 
with it.  This sure has been a fun issue for me.

Cheers! Caio, and Cordially,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 03:02:28 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:02:28 -0500
Subject: Translate Italian, I think.
In-Reply-To: <492A142E.6040602@ajinfosearch.com>
References: <492A101F.3080700@sbcglobal.net>
	<492A142E.6040602@ajinfosearch.com>
Message-ID: <492A1944.3050603@sbcglobal.net>

Alan Dacey wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I have received two emails from someone writing in a language I don't 
>> read.  I thing it is written in Italian or perhaps Portugese for his or 
>> her greeting is 'Boa Noite!", sounds like good evening to me.  Anyway is 
>> there a way to find out what he is saying, like some sort of 
>> translator.  I am going to copy a few more words to see if any of you 
>> recognize the language.  "Antes  de mais nada , quero me desculpar, pois 
>> vocês tem se esforçado em transmitir..."  I did not respond to the first 
>> email, and forgot to research how to understand it.  Anyway, I am 
>> willing to learn the language if that is what I have to do to respond.  
>> This forum has been good to me; so he must be just great too.  And if he 
>> needs help and someone is helping him from this forum, can you tell me 
>> his or her nationality so I can respond.
>>
>> Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
> It does appear to be Portugese.  There are some online transation tools 
> available but they differ in quality by languages.  I keep two bookmarked and 
> try each one to see what comes out.  I'm sure there are more, but here are the 
> links of what I use and what came out.
>
> Google translator:  http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en&referrer=ign_n
> 	"First of all, I apologize, because if you have tried to convey"
>
> Yahoo translator (babelfish): http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt
> 	"Before more nothing, I want to excuse itself, therefore vocês if it has 
> strengthenn in transmitting"
>
> Just copy and paste your the email into the translate box, pick the language it 
> is in and what you want it to come out as and away you go!
>
> Alan
>   
Thanks Alan,

I hope you notice I am understanding a lot more, thanks to you all.  I 
could tell by the words I recognized that this was a friend, so I want 
to communicate with him or her as well as I am able.  Thanks for the 
reference, I searched once before but got so confused I quit the 
effort.  It looks like the translation will need a little translating 
too, but I am sure I can manage.

Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,

Steven



From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com  Mon Nov 24 03:05:37 2008
From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:05:37 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <4929D430.4060202@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231648.47244.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
	<4929D430.4060202@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811232205.38130.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>

On Sunday 23 November 2008 5:07:44 pm Steven Vollom wrote:

> My mouse is a Microsoft cordless optical mouse with a center wheel that
> cannot be depressed.  Is there a different option for this type of mouse?

Are you sure?  On the only two optical mice (corded) that I'm familiar with 
you just press down on the center wheel and that's the middle mouse button.  
When I used to use the original MS "dovebar" mouse with no center wheel, I 
pressed both the right and left mouse buttons simultaneously to simulate a 
middle mouse button.  You could try that.

	-Jerry
-- 
=============================================
Jerry Lapham
Monroe, OH  45050
rjlapham at cinci.rr.com
=============================================
I'm just glad that Al Gore invented the Internet before he mastered 
meteorology. - George Gilder



From claydoh at midmaine.com  Mon Nov 24 03:20:37 2008
From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:20:37 -0500
Subject: Before I start filing bugs - KMail Help
In-Reply-To: <200811222036.15450.grey@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org>
	<200811222314.06913.claydoh@midmaine.com>
	<200811222036.15450.grey@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811232220.37935.claydoh@midmaine.com>

On Saturday 22 November 2008 11:36:15 pm Steve Lamb wrote:
>
>     Ah!  Excellent!  Thanks for that information.  And curses, you can sign
> your messages and mine still errors out.  Though I now see why I can't see
> the log.  "Not implemented."  Grrr.
>
>     Any idea how to get it to ask my passphrase?

>--
I don't know, it asks for it automatically for me in Intrepid, and I believe 
it did in hardy for me as well. You might want to check if the package gpg-
agent is installed, as well as pinentry-qt (or similar). I think these are 
needed for entering your passphrase.
-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://flyballmaine.com
http://emacdogsports.com



From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com  Mon Nov 24 04:08:53 2008
From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:08:53 -0500
Subject: Translate Italian, I think.
In-Reply-To: <492A1944.3050603@sbcglobal.net>
References: <492A101F.3080700@sbcglobal.net>	<492A142E.6040602@ajinfosearch.com>
	<492A1944.3050603@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492A28D5.8060008@ajinfosearch.com>

>>   
> Thanks Alan,
> 
> I hope you notice I am understanding a lot more, thanks to you all.  I 
> could tell by the words I recognized that this was a friend, so I want 
> to communicate with him or her as well as I am able.  Thanks for the 
> reference, I searched once before but got so confused I quit the 
> effort.  It looks like the translation will need a little translating 
> too, but I am sure I can manage.
> 
> Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,
> 
> Steven
> 
They are not perfect, but at least you can understand (mostly) what someone else 
is trying to tell you :)  You can also probably translate your response into his 
language too and send that in your email.  I wonder how that would sound to him?
I see that you are quite busy on the list lately.  It seems that you have got 
everybody helping you!  I have not seen the like in my short time on this list, 
I've been running linux for almost a year and a half now.  It makes me happy to 
be a part of it.

Good luck translating!

Alan

-- 
"The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated 
concept.  If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in 
life and actually grok it."
                                                                          - 
author unknown
Things I grok: 0



From gloonie at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 24 05:09:56 2008
From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:09:56 -0500
Subject: Translate Italian, I think.
In-Reply-To: <492A101F.3080700@sbcglobal.net>
References: <492A101F.3080700@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811240009.56371.gloonie@earthlink.net>

On Sunday 23 November 2008 21:23:27 Steven Vollom wrote:
> I have received two emails from someone writing in a language I don't
> read.  I thing it is written in Italian or perhaps Portugese for his or
> her greeting is 'Boa Noite!", sounds like good evening to me.  Anyway is
> there a way to find out what he is saying, like some sort of
> translator.  I am going to copy a few more words to see if any of you
> recognize the language.  "Antes  de mais nada , quero me desculpar, pois
> vocês tem se esforçado em transmitir..."  I did not respond to the first
> email, and forgot to research how to understand it.  Anyway, I am
> willing to learn the language if that is what I have to do to respond.
> This forum has been good to me; so he must be just great too.  And if he
> needs help and someone is helping him from this forum, can you tell me
> his or her nationality so I can respond.
>
> Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,
>
> Steven

Steven,

FYI It's Portuguese...

Glenn



From aspersieman at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 07:23:03 2008
From: aspersieman at gmail.com (Aspersieman)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:23:03 +0200
Subject: Cell phone as modem
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811210606m4f0413ao42cb31de5e73c4d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a1f6bd00811210606m4f0413ao42cb31de5e73c4d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.uk334pqv1ge03e@developer_xp.eikosza.co.za>

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:06:29 +0200, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> I would like to try using my Palm Centro (EVDO) as a modem for
> internet access on my netbook when I am not near WiFi or a wired
> connection?  Has anyone succeeded in this with Kubuntu?
>

Howdy Art

I have been using gnome-ppp for about 1.5 years (on Arch linux - but more  
recently Kubuntu 8.10). It is basically just a gui over wvdial (so you  
might try just wvdial too).

I'm not sure if it would work for your particular model - but I've had  
success with it with my samsung U700. Also a couple of my friends have  
been using it with nokias, sony erricsons and a few others and all were  
successfull.

Regards

Nicol

-- 
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo



From barnaby at drofle.com  Mon Nov 24 09:05:43 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:05:43 +0000
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <4929DD22.5090004@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>	<200811232238.36959.kassube@gmx.net>	<4929D398.7080201@sbcglobal.net>	<4929D8AA.2030508@yahoo.it>
	<4929DD22.5090004@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492A6E67.6030606@drofle.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> Thanks my friend, but if I can figure out how to do it, I am changing to 
> Konqueror and Kmail.  I have used Firefox for 3 years.  It was easier 
> for me to use.  But as I became more familiar with KDE, there are 
> distinct advantages to using KDE packages, one being that-- I am older; 
> my vision is not perfect.  In Firefox and Thunderbird, I am only able to 
> default to larger fonts on one of them, on the other, I have to do it 
> everytime I want to see better, and the basic program remains in smaller 
> print.  I remember now it is Thunderbird that that is the case.  I now 
> have a 22" monitor.  It allows me to increase print size without having 
> to vertically scroll.  It is such a benefit to someone with eyes like 
> mine.  Additionally, the KDE programs operate a lot faster.  Click and 
> it happens.  I am sure I will notice the loss of some features, however, 
> I would sacrifice a lot of niceties to not have to scroll or squint.  I 
> only mentioned the benefits that I have noticed to plant the memory if 
> ever it would benefit you.  Thanks again!  I am sure there are more that 
> I haven't noticed yet.
> 
> Steven
> 
Don't forget that in both Firefox and Thunderbird you can quickly 
increase the font size on the screen with Ctrl + (Hold down the control 
key and press the + key. You will probably need the shift key too for 
this.) And control and the minus (hyphen) key will reduce the font size. 
It is very quick to do.

Sometimes the text on the screen looks rather small and I use the above 
keyboard shortcuts to quickly increase the size to make it easier to 
read. Then a quick ctrl with the hyphen key and I am back to the 
previous size font.

Neil



From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 24 09:46:00 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:46:00 -0600
Subject: Kudos for Konqueror
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811231520o46344678r64e81ca219bba8f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2416983.Mh18xqBGyX@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<880dece00811231520o46344678r64e81ca219bba8f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811240346.00899.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

On Sunday 23 November 2008 5:20:00 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/21 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>:
> > Nice review here: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7186/
> >
> > I'm not entirely sure I agree with some of the points (somebody said
> > Konqueror in 4.x is using WebKit - I didn't think it was, and it
> > certainly isn't any better at flash than it used to be), and the author
> > doesn't actually show the latest version, but I like it!
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. As for Konqueror using Webkit, I am
> having a hard time finding information to back this up. I know that it
> has been in controversy for a long time. This is the best article that
> I could find, from before the KDE 4.0 release:
> http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/kubuntus-kde-4-livecd-comes-with-w
>ebkit-enabled-konqueror/

In your Konqueror 4, go to any web page.  Click on the "View" menu and go to 
"View Mode".  It will show that it's set to KHTML.  The option below it is 
WebKit.  If you click on a link, it will switch back to KHTML.  To change it 
permanently, change the file association for html files, the embedded part.



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Mon Nov 24 09:52:08 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:52:08 +0000
Subject: Translate Italian, I think.
In-Reply-To: <492a10d0.0509d00a.6353.6f36MFETCHER_ADDED@google.com>
References: <492a10d0.0509d00a.6353.6f36MFETCHER_ADDED@google.com>
Message-ID: <492A7948.20905@yahoo.it>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I have received two emails from someone writing in a language I don't 
> read.  I thing it is written in Italian or perhaps Portugese for his or 
> her greeting is 'Boa Noite!", sounds like good evening to me.  Anyway is 
> there a way to find out what he is saying, like some sort of 
> translator.  I am going to copy a few more words to see if any of you 
> recognize the language.  "Antes  de mais nada , quero me desculpar, pois 
> vocês tem se esforçado em transmitir..."  I did not respond to the first 
> email, and forgot to research how to understand it.  Anyway, I am 
> willing to learn the language if that is what I have to do to respond.  
> This forum has been good to me; so he must be just great too.  And if he 
> needs help and someone is helping him from this forum, can you tell me 
> his or her nationality so I can respond.
> 
> Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,
> 
> Steven
> 

I am positive it's not Italian :) like the others said, sounds like 
Portuguese. Alan posted the translation of a bit of it:

""First of all, I apologize, because if you have tried to convey""

from that, I would guess it's some spam email, so if you are sure you 
don't know the sender I'd suggest you consider it spam and not answer 
the email at all.
HTH,
I.




From magick.crow at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 09:54:53 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:54:53 +0100
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <4929E6E2.6070204@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net> <ggcjp8$e17$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4929E6E2.6070204@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <f495db580811240154v30f4d8bbtc29611466fcdb44e@mail.gmail.com>

> It appears that I am asking a question that has been well thought out.
> If the reason you don't want to answer the question, and allow me, this
> one time, to not take your advice, send the response directly to my
> email address.  I promise to never post the solution.  The only way I
> would tell anyone is to help someone with the same disability.  And for
> your sake I would not help someone I did not trust and who did not
> agreed to not post it.  I believe that I will be able to get the answer
> through another source somehow, and because the more I think about it,
> the more benefit I see that I will derive from it I will continue to
> try, just not on this forum.  I love this forum and don't want to hurt
> it, but I wouldn't even let my pastor make my decisions for me, only GOD
> or HIS son the CHRIST.  Thanks.
>
> Steven

I already gave you the answer but I will make it very clear.
Instead of the number I gave you that is for 5 hours make it -1.


>timestamp_timeout
>If set to a value less than 0 the user's timestamp will never expire.

-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 09:56:44 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:56:44 +0300
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <200811230944.33261.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811230944.33261.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492A7A5C.5060803@gmail.com>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:21:28 am Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>   
>> The drives can be downloaded here:
>>
>>   32 Bit
>>   http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_180.06.html
>>
>>   64 Bit
>>   http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_180.06.html
>>     
>
> And I just noticed they released 180.08 on the 17th/Nov :)
>
>   ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.08/
>   ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.08/
>
> Will try these out and see how they go.
>
>   
I tried to use 180.08 on KDE4, but it seems not very stable and leads to 
system hangup. After hangup i observe image corruption - it becomes 
"interlaced" and some colors becomes very bright. So i stopped used it.

But on KDE3 it is damn fast!

Nvidia8400M GS inside of Dell Vostro.



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 10:09:46 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:09:46 +0100
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <4929F92C.7030703@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <4929DED2.4050104@yahoo.com>
	<4929E4F7.4080600@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231833.15435.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<4929F92C.7030703@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <f495db580811240209s3d6ccc7bk6faa3458851ecae2@mail.gmail.com>

Steven, I know you are a nice person and most people are nice people
but there are evil people out there and they can read this list.

There are people out there that want to take your computer and make it
a slave. This slave will send out pornographic emails as fast as it
can and you would be the one that helped them by making it easy just
as Microsoft has. If they are good you will not even be able to tell
that it has happened, maybe your internet might be a bit slower but
not much.

Sudo or Su stuff is protected for this reason among others.

Protect yourself and protect others by using your computer in a responsible way.


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Mon Nov 24 10:27:33 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:27:33 +0100
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492A037F.1070308@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcjp8$e17$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929F079.5030506@sbcglobal.net>	<ggctns$74u$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<492A037F.1070308@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <ggdviq$i52$1@ger.gmane.org>

Steven Vollom wrote:

> Eberhard, you have me in a belly laugh.  This has been so fun.  I truly 
> want to hug you.  Everyone I know gets a hug when I see them.  It is 
> just the way I am for those I love.
I appreciate this!

> 
> To be sure I have the correct choice, because I do have concerns that I 
> could make a serious mistake.  I would like to type in my 37 digit 
> password to open the operating system when I boot up.  

Here we are. If this is at boot up, I would call it " in order to login 
to the system". If this is correct then you MUST use your supersecure 
password for your "normal user" (named "steven", I suppose). Root MUST 
NOT login to the system, at least not graphically!


In the Shell
> dropdown, I would like to have at least two choices.  Choice one, Shell 
> steven at Studio25:~$ for my work, and steven at Studio25:~# for Root 
> changes.  Mostly I will be working in a shell with white print over a 
> black backgroung.  When I open the Root Shell, it will be Black print on 
> a white background, glaringly different.  I won't even have to think 
> when I open it, it will, by it's colors be a reminder, because you don't 
> open Root very often.  And I only want to open it once a day.

You can do this easily with KDE 3.x. I remember there was a "root shell" 
to be opened directly. I am currently on KDE 4 in Intrepid, so I cannot 
help adequately with this, but it is easy. Btw., on Intrepid I cannot 
find root shell, but as a Linux user, honestly, I do not need it.
> 
> Eberhard, it seems if the web site instruction allows what I want it 
> would actually be better than keeping an active Root Shell on my 
> drop-down links, 

Well the web instructions do not relate to this!

As I said, you can have your root shell "as is" and I would recommend to 
leave it at this. But it is entirely up to you!

Or you change your system to have a separate pasword for root. It's 
entirely up to you, once again, but it does not relate to the "root 
shell" icon on your desktop.


> 
> Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,
> 
ciao bello

Eberhard






From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 11:10:05 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:10:05 +1000
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492A7A5C.5060803@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811230944.33261.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<492A7A5C.5060803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811242110.05668.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:56:44 pm Alexander Smirnov wrote:
> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>
> I tried to use 180.08 on KDE4, but it seems not very stable and leads to
> system hangup. After hangup i observe image corruption - it becomes
> "interlaced" and some colors becomes very bright. So i stopped used it.

Working fine on mine. Are you using Hardy? (8.04)


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 12:39:36 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:39:36 +0300
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <200811242110.05668.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<200811230944.33261.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<492A7A5C.5060803@gmail.com>
	<200811242110.05668.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492AA088.6080602@gmail.com>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:56:44 pm Alexander Smirnov wrote:
>   
>> Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>>
>> I tried to use 180.08 on KDE4, but it seems not very stable and leads to
>> system hangup. After hangup i observe image corruption - it becomes
>> "interlaced" and some colors becomes very bright. So i stopped used it.
>>     
>
> Working fine on mine. Are you using Hardy? (8.04)
>
>
>   
No, it's for II(8.10)



From miron.florea at web.de  Mon Nov 24 13:03:09 2008
From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:03:09 +0200
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492A7A5C.5060803@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<200811230944.33261.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<492A7A5C.5060803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492AA60D.40400@web.de>

On 11/24/2008 11:56 AM, Alexander Smirnov wrote:
> I tried to use 180.08 on KDE4, but it seems not very stable and leads to
> system hangup. After hangup i observe image corruption - it becomes
> "interlaced" and some colors becomes very bright. So i stopped used it.
>
> But on KDE3 it is damn fast!
>
> Nvidia8400M GS inside of Dell Vostro.

I experienced problems with 180.08 as well. But 180.06 works great.



From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:10:34 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:10:34 +0300
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492AA60D.40400@web.de>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<200811230944.33261.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<492A7A5C.5060803@gmail.com>
	<492AA60D.40400@web.de>
Message-ID: <492AA7CA.5070303@gmail.com>

Octavian Florea wrote:
> On 11/24/2008 11:56 AM, Alexander Smirnov wrote:
>   
>> I tried to use 180.08 on KDE4, but it seems not very stable and leads to
>> system hangup. After hangup i observe image corruption - it becomes
>> "interlaced" and some colors becomes very bright. So i stopped used it.
>>
>> But on KDE3 it is damn fast!
>>
>> Nvidia8400M GS inside of Dell Vostro.
>>     
>
> I experienced problems with 180.08 as well. But 180.06 works great.
>
>   
Is it faster in KDE4 than "standard"(180.00? not sure) from ubuntu repos ?




From miron.florea at web.de  Mon Nov 24 13:24:35 2008
From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:24:35 +0200
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492AA7CA.5070303@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<200811230944.33261.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<492A7A5C.5060803@gmail.com>	<492AA60D.40400@web.de>
	<492AA7CA.5070303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492AAB13.7020105@web.de>

On 11/24/2008 03:10 PM, Alexander Smirnov wrote:
> Is it faster in KDE4 than "standard"(180.00? not sure) from ubuntu repos ?
>
Last time I used nvidia-glx from the repos it had the version number 177 
(177.80)

As for 180.06 it fixes most of the glitches I was complaining about on 
4.1.3 (icon corruption, taskbar flicker when using some gtk apps, plasma 
issues).
Can't really say it feels faster (or slower), but imho the improvement 
is quite significant.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 13:31:55 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:31:55 -0500
Subject: For Nils who has helped me or any other expert, and Nubies like
	me.
In-Reply-To: <200811232023.28498.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <4928137D.2070200@sbcglobal.net>	<200811231441.54941.gene.heskett@verizon.net>	<4929B4FA.4040803@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811232023.28498.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <492AACCB.1040201@sbcglobal.net>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>>     
>
>   
>>> Steven, either there is a typu, or you did it wrong, its kwinrc, not
>>> kwinrd.
>>>
>>> Hint, most of the services have a configuration file and this file is
>>> generally the services name + either a '.conf', '.rc' or just a plain 'rc'
>>>       
>> I didn't notice that, but I did get it right, because it worked.  Do you
>> know if I should delete the kwinrc.old file I created.  When I booted, I
>> got the old configuration back.  I just have to remember this; it is
>> such a sweet fix for this kind of problem.  Thanks for your continued
>> interest, friend.  I am getting more confident I can learn this stuff
>> every day.
>>     
>
> Now that its working, you might want to rename the newly made file to 
> a 'name'.new, and take the .old off the other one & restart x to see if the 
> miss-behaviour is back.  If it is, reverse the naming back to where it was, 
> re-start x again, and delete the old one at your convenience.  With the wrong 
> name, is isn't going to hurt anything to leave it, other than waste a 
> kilobyte or 5 of disk space.  20 years ago when floppies were 360k, and 
> machines had only 64k of ram, we worried about every byte, but a little lint 
> laying around on a 100Gb drive doesn't amount to much.  And you have learned 
> something. :)
>   
>> Cordially,
>> Steven
>>     
There was no new file called kwinrc, only the file kwinrc.old. Should I 
leave things as they are or remove the .old?
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 13:34:01 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:34:01 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <200811232205.38130.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>	<200811231648.47244.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>	<4929D430.4060202@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811232205.38130.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
Message-ID: <492AAD49.1070804@sbcglobal.net>

Jerry Lapham wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008 5:07:44 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> My mouse is a Microsoft cordless optical mouse with a center wheel that
>> cannot be depressed.  Is there a different option for this type of mouse?
>>     
>
> Are you sure?  On the only two optical mice (corded) that I'm familiar with 
> you just press down on the center wheel and that's the middle mouse button.  
> When I used to use the original MS "dovebar" mouse with no center wheel, I 
> pressed both the right and left mouse buttons simultaneously to simulate a 
> middle mouse button.  You could try that.
>
> 	-Jerry
>   
The center is just a wheel for scrolling.  When I depress the two 
simultaneously, it does not give the desired effect.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 13:38:20 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:38:20 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <492A6E67.6030606@drofle.com>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>	<200811232238.36959.kassube@gmx.net>	<4929D398.7080201@sbcglobal.net>	<4929D8AA.2030508@yahoo.it>	<4929DD22.5090004@sbcglobal.net>
	<492A6E67.6030606@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <492AAE4C.1090306@sbcglobal.net>

Neil Winchurst wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks my friend, but if I can figure out how to do it, I am changing to 
>> Konqueror and Kmail.  I have used Firefox for 3 years.  It was easier 
>> for me to use.  But as I became more familiar with KDE, there are 
>> distinct advantages to using KDE packages, one being that-- I am older; 
>> my vision is not perfect.  In Firefox and Thunderbird, I am only able to 
>> default to larger fonts on one of them, on the other, I have to do it 
>> everytime I want to see better, and the basic program remains in smaller 
>> print.  I remember now it is Thunderbird that that is the case.  I now 
>> have a 22" monitor.  It allows me to increase print size without having 
>> to vertically scroll.  It is such a benefit to someone with eyes like 
>> mine.  Additionally, the KDE programs operate a lot faster.  Click and 
>> it happens.  I am sure I will notice the loss of some features, however, 
>> I would sacrifice a lot of niceties to not have to scroll or squint.  I 
>> only mentioned the benefits that I have noticed to plant the memory if 
>> ever it would benefit you.  Thanks again!  I am sure there are more that 
>> I haven't noticed yet.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
> Don't forget that in both Firefox and Thunderbird you can quickly 
> increase the font size on the screen with Ctrl + (Hold down the control 
> key and press the + key. You will probably need the shift key too for 
> this.) And control and the minus (hyphen) key will reduce the font size. 
> It is very quick to do.
>
> Sometimes the text on the screen looks rather small and I use the above 
> keyboard shortcuts to quickly increase the size to make it easier to 
> read. Then a quick ctrl with the hyphen key and I am back to the 
> previous size font.
>
> Neil
>
>   
I wish I had known that feature before, it would have been nice, 
however, in Thunderbird, that only works in the viewing area.  The basic 
font size for the rest of the screen remains smaller.  In Kmail, 
everything increases.  Additionally, I want to use more of KDE.  I have 
never learned all its possibilities.  Thanks for the help though.  That 
Ctrl + does work in Firefox, though.  That is great.

Steven



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:47:37 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:47:37 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <492AAD49.1070804@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811231648.47244.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
	<4929D430.4060202@sbcglobal.net>
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Jerry Lapham wrote:
>> On Sunday 23 November 2008 5:07:44 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My mouse is a Microsoft cordless optical mouse with a center wheel that
>>> cannot be depressed.  Is there a different option for this type of mouse?
>>>
>>
>> Are you sure?  On the only two optical mice (corded) that I'm familiar with
>> you just press down on the center wheel and that's the middle mouse button.
>> When I used to use the original MS "dovebar" mouse with no center wheel, I
>> pressed both the right and left mouse buttons simultaneously to simulate a
>> middle mouse button.  You could try that.
>>
>>       -Jerry
>>
> The center is just a wheel for scrolling.  When I depress the two
> simultaneously, it does not give the desired effect.

You should just be able to press that wheel as if it was a button.
There may be some wheel mice without clickable wheels, but I've never
seen one.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:53:52 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:53:52 +0300
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492AAB13.7020105@web.de>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<200811230944.33261.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<492A7A5C.5060803@gmail.com>	<492AA60D.40400@web.de>	<492AA7CA.5070303@gmail.com>
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Octavian Florea wrote:
> On 11/24/2008 03:10 PM, Alexander Smirnov wrote:
>   
>> Is it faster in KDE4 than "standard"(180.00? not sure) from ubuntu repos ?
>>
>>     
> Last time I used nvidia-glx from the repos it had the version number 177 
> (177.80)
>
> As for 180.06 it fixes most of the glitches I was complaining about on 
> 4.1.3 (icon corruption, taskbar flicker when using some gtk apps, plasma 
> issues).
> Can't really say it feels faster (or slower), but imho the improvement 
> is quite significant.
>
>   
Thank you Octavian, will try it instead of 180.08



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 14:43:15 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:43:15 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <ggdviq$i52$1@ger.gmane.org>
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Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>> Eberhard, you have me in a belly laugh.  This has been so fun.  I truly 
>> want to hug you.  Everyone I know gets a hug when I see them.  It is 
>> just the way I am for those I love.
>>     
> I appreciate this!
>
>   
>> To be sure I have the correct choice, because I do have concerns that I 
>> could make a serious mistake.  I would like to type in my 37 digit 
>> password to open the operating system when I boot up.  
>>     
>
> Here we are. If this is at boot up, I would call it " in order to login 
> to the system". If this is correct then you MUST use your supersecure 
> password for your "normal user" (named "steven", I suppose). Root MUST 
> NOT login to the system, at least not graphically!
>
>
> In the Shell
>   
>> dropdown, I would like to have at least two choices.  Choice one, Shell 
>> steven at Studio25:~$ for my work, and steven at Studio25:~# for Root 
>> changes.  Mostly I will be working in a shell with white print over a 
>> black backgroung.  When I open the Root Shell, it will be Black print on 
>> a white background, glaringly different.  I won't even have to think 
>> when I open it, it will, by it's colors be a reminder, because you don't 
>> open Root very often.  And I only want to open it once a day.
>>     
>
> You can do this easily with KDE 3.x. I remember there was a "root shell" 
> to be opened directly. I am currently on KDE 4 in Intrepid, so I cannot 
> help adequately with this, but it is easy. Btw., on Intrepid I cannot 
> find root shell, but as a Linux user, honestly, I do not need it.
>   
>> Eberhard, it seems if the web site instruction allows what I want it 
>> would actually be better than keeping an active Root Shell on my 
>> drop-down links, 
>>     
>
> Well the web instructions do not relate to this!
>
> As I said, you can have your root shell "as is" and I would recommend to 
> leave it at this. But it is entirely up to you!
>
> Or you change your system to have a separate pasword for root. It's 
> entirely up to you, once again, but it does not relate to the "root 
> shell" icon on your desktop.
>
>
>   
>> Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,
>>
>>     
> ciao bello
>
> Eberhard
>
>
>
>
>   
First, how does Bello translate?  Then, I wish I had a brain.  I still 
am not sure what I am instructed.

You understand that I want security.  Do you understand that the only 
reason I don't want to have to type my password for a Root terminal is 
because of my physical deformity, a shorter finger that causes errors?

I want it difficult for someone to break into my machine, but I don't 
want so much security once in, when I am protected by the entry.

And still, I don't want it so easy to enter Root, because of my 
inexperience and stupidity which can cause me to error.  My choice for 
solution being to have two choices, when I need to use a terminal.  *One 
choice, Shell.... One choice, Root Shell, without the requirement to 
type in a password*.  That way I will know to be super careful when in 
Root, because one will be configured with white print over a black 
background and one the reverse coloring; it will be obvious if I open 
the wrong Shell.

Back in Feisty, I seem to recall that the Root Shell that was provided 
on the Kmenu was black print over a cream colored background.  That 
distinction alerted you to the fact that you were on a Root Shell.

If you read this email and believe this is possible, please just say it 
will work.  All who have explained it have left out response to that 
critical part.

Once I change my Login password, Kubuntu or KDE will not me change back 
to an insecure password, so the only way I can get back to 'em' as a 
password is to reinstall the OS; that is if when I make the changes it 
isn't the way I have described.  I don't want to do that.  But I would 
rather have no security at all than have to type in the difficult 
password every time I want to enter Root.

Please forgive me for having such trouble understanding and explaining.  
This will be my attempt to try to explain the part I am confused about.  
After this I will just leave things the way they are.

Cheers! Caio Bello, and Cordially,

Steven        I have been robbing peoples salutations.  The ones I 
like.  Ha!



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Mon Nov 24 14:55:23 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:55:23 +0000
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492ABD83.4090805@sbcglobal.net>
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Steven Vollom wrote:
> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> ciao bello
>>
>> Eberhard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
> First, how does Bello translate?  

Uhm, literally it translates to "hi handsome"... means something like 
"hi buddy" or "hi mate", depending on which side of the pond you are.
HTH,
I.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 15:10:37 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:10:37 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811232012.31811.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
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Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Sunday 23 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> So that you know and everyone in the world knows I need it my way, Here
>> is my password.  em  It is my youngest granddaughter's name, short for
>> Emma or Emmalie.  Now am I insecure enough.  I have done that because of
>> Kubuntu's insistance to not allow a Root terminal.
>>     
>
> Wrong.   You can have a root terminal very easily.  
>
> sudo passwd  root
> Enter password:  <enter your normal user passwd>
> Enter new password:  <enter a root password>
> Repeat new password:  <repeat the root passwod>
>
> You are done.
>
> from that point on, just issue   su -   and then enter the root password.
>
> People will yell at me/you for this, but we're not children.
>
>   
Dear Bruce,

Believe me when I say, all I want I believe is what I had in Feisty.

I am afraid you are going to be angry with me, but I still don't think 
you understand what I am trying to say.  Once I am in my system, which I 
would like protected at Login, I would like to click on an Icon that 
would say Root Terminal.  When that terminal appears on screen, I do not 
want to have to type in a password at all, just start typing at the 
prompt steven at Studio25:~#.  If I set a password at all, it would be 'em' 
like it is now, but that represents no security at all, so why have to 
type in any password at all.

You understand perfectly that I am willing to take responsibility for my 
actions, and that I am an admitted screw-up, so why do I need a password 
for a Root Shell, if I am already secured at Login? 

My security for not making a serious mistake is to have the two choices. 
1.  Shell  2.  Root Shell (no password).  That way anytime I use a 
terminal, if I accidentally open the wrong one, its color configuration 
will be my warning.

I cherish our new friendship so much I do not want to anger or frustrate 
you, so I will explain how I understand your reply.

First, I can change my Login password to 37 characters.  Then I set a 
password for root.  Is that what the above says?

That is not what I want.  I want all my security at Login.  I want no 
security once in my system.  I want my only security blanket against 
making a mistake, the choice of two terminals, but I do not want to have 
to log into either of them.  I just want them to be different enough so 
that when open they are obviously recognized by their color 
configuration to alert me is I have opened the wrong Shell.  Do you see 
the difference.  There is also the warning when you see # as opposed to $.

I can see right now, that if it can't be done the way I want, I can set 
up my computer so that my Login can be my secure password (37 digits), 
and if I have to have a password to enter Root, I can use my current 
'em' if one is needed.  That, however, seems as unnecessary, and the 
same as I have my system now.  But at least I will have system security 
at login and an easy Root Terminal login, if I have to have one.

I am so poor with words, that I will not try again, Bruce.  If you can, 
please forgive me this one last time.  I can see a way for me to have 
security and still be able to avoid the 37 digit security every time I 
enter root.

Hoping that I haven't screwed up my relationship with you, I close--------

Cheers! Caio Bello, and Cordially,  (I still don't know what Bello means.)

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 15:15:45 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:15:45 -0500
Subject: Translate Italian, I think.
In-Reply-To: <492A7948.20905@yahoo.it>
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Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I have received two emails from someone writing in a language I don't 
>> read.  I thing it is written in Italian or perhaps Portugese for his or 
>> her greeting is 'Boa Noite!", sounds like good evening to me.  Anyway is 
>> there a way to find out what he is saying, like some sort of 
>> translator.  I am going to copy a few more words to see if any of you 
>> recognize the language.  "Antes  de mais nada , quero me desculpar, pois 
>> vocês tem se esforçado em transmitir..."  I did not respond to the first 
>> email, and forgot to research how to understand it.  Anyway, I am 
>> willing to learn the language if that is what I have to do to respond.  
>> This forum has been good to me; so he must be just great too.  And if he 
>> needs help and someone is helping him from this forum, can you tell me 
>> his or her nationality so I can respond.
>>
>> Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
>
> I am positive it's not Italian :) like the others said, sounds like 
> Portuguese. Alan posted the translation of a bit of it:
>
> ""First of all, I apologize, because if you have tried to convey""
>
> from that, I would guess it's some spam email, so if you are sure you 
> don't know the sender I'd suggest you consider it spam and not answer 
> the email at all.
> HTH,
> I.
>
>
>   
Dear Ignazio,

It turned out to be Portuguese.  The person is very nice and having 
difficulty adjusting to Kubuntu, almost too frustrated to continue.  I 
am going to help him/her.  If I don't have the correct answers, I will 
post his/her needs and relay then to him/her.

It is a way for me to help someone, as I have been helped by all of 
you.  I am anxious to do this.  I feel so indebted.

Cheers! Caio Bello, and Cordially,

Steven      p.s.:  Soon I am going to have a salutation that would make 
a good           
                           password.



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Mon Nov 24 15:33:57 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:33:57 +0100
Subject: Password question.
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Steven Vollom wrote:

>> ciao bello
>>
>> Eberhard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
> First, how does Bello translate?  

The italians quite often say "ciao bella", meaning goodbye gorgeous 
girl. bello is the male form of bella.

Then, I wish I had a brain.  I still
> am not sure what I am instructed.
> 
> You understand that I want security.  Do you understand that the only 
> reason I don't want to have to type my password for a Root terminal is 
> because of my physical deformity, a shorter finger that causes errors?

sure I understand. Then, why on earth do you want to type a password at all?

open a terminal and then "sudo -i" does it all for you.
> 
> I want it difficult for someone to break into my machine, but I don't 
> want so much security once in, when I am protected by the entry.

Very good. Then simply change your user password to something more 
secure which you remember and you are done.
> 
> And still, I don't want it so easy to enter Root, because of my 
> inexperience and stupidity which can cause me to error.  My choice for 
> solution being to have two choices, when I need to use a terminal.  *One 
> choice, Shell.... One choice, Root Shell, without the requirement to 
> type in a password*.  That way I will know to be super careful when in 
> Root, because one will be configured with white print over a black 
> background and one the reverse coloring; it will be obvious if I open 
> the wrong Shell.

KDE 3.x should have anything that you need for this.

> 
> Back in Feisty, I seem to recall that the Root Shell that was provided 
> on the Kmenu was black print over a cream colored background.  That 
> distinction alerted you to the fact that you were on a Root Shell.

In 3.x, it is still like this.
> 
> If you read this email and believe this is possible, please just say it 
> will work.  All who have explained it have left out response to that 
> critical part.

It's left to you to deduct this from what I and others wrote. After all 
it is you who decides.

> 
> Once I change my Login password, Kubuntu or KDE will not me change back 
> to an insecure password, so the only way I can get back to 'em' as a 
> password is to reinstall the OS; that is if when I make the changes it 
> isn't the way I have described.  

???? Imho this is rubbish. YOU are the one in charge and you decide 
which password you use.


I don't want to do that.  But I would
> rather have no security at all than have to type in the difficult 
> password every time I want to enter Root.

Sure. You just enter it once. Exactly when you login as steven, once a 
day, any day.

> 
> Please forgive me for having such trouble understanding and explaining.  
> This will be my attempt to try to explain the part I am confused about.  
> After this I will just leave things the way they are.

Hm, this is not a bad idea, However when you change your "steven" 
password to something more secure, you will not do any harm and you will 
earn a lot of additional security.

Kind regards
Eberhard





From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 15:37:02 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:37:02 -0500
Subject: Translate Italian, I think.
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Alan Dacey wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>> Thanks Alan,
>>
>> I hope you notice I am understanding a lot more, thanks to you all.  I 
>> could tell by the words I recognized that this was a friend, so I want 
>> to communicate with him or her as well as I am able.  Thanks for the 
>> reference, I searched once before but got so confused I quit the 
>> effort.  It looks like the translation will need a little translating 
>> too, but I am sure I can manage.
>>
>> Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>     
> They are not perfect, but at least you can understand (mostly) what someone else 
> is trying to tell you :)  You can also probably translate your response into his 
> language too and send that in your email.  I wonder how that would sound to him?
> I see that you are quite busy on the list lately.  It seems that you have got 
> everybody helping you!  I have not seen the like in my short time on this list, 
> I've been running linux for almost a year and a half now.  It makes me happy to 
> be a part of it.
>
> Good luck translating!
>
> Alan
>
>   
Alan,

I have been so stupid so long, I didn't think it possible to learn.  But 
this fantastic forum is so helpful, I am learning by leaps and bounds.  
I suspect it is showing in how my questions and responses are worded.  
If it is not noticeable, I sure notice it.  I am so very happy that I am 
laughing all the time.  I think I have laughed more since I entered the 
list than in all the rest of my life.  Also, I almost do not sleep.  
Because everyone has been so kind, I just keep on posting.  I am almost 
at a point where I will know how to post my questions accurately enough 
to enter some of the archives to get my answers there rather than 
hogging the List time.

I am just hopeful that answering my questions will help some who haven't 
been able to formulate the questions to get similar solutions, or are 
too shy to try.  You, Alan are a bright light in my life.  You continue 
to be so helpful.

One last thought, do solving my problems provide enough benefit to those 
reading the posts to make it more valuable for the List for me to 
continue to post the things I want to know even when I am able get into 
the archives for myself?  It has been on my mind that I am hogging 
precious air time.  Although I seem to be continually posting, I have 
thought those who want to know the same things are getting the same help 
when they read the solutions provided to me.  I want to do the better 
thing for the List.  I just love it.  Always grateful.

Cheers! Chaio Bello, and Cordially,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 15:39:09 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:39:09 -0500
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492AB1F0.2040802@gmail.com>
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Alexander Smirnov wrote:
> Octavian Florea wrote:
>   
>> On 11/24/2008 03:10 PM, Alexander Smirnov wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Is it faster in KDE4 than "standard"(180.00? not sure) from ubuntu repos ?
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> Last time I used nvidia-glx from the repos it had the version number 177 
>> (177.80)
>>
>> As for 180.06 it fixes most of the glitches I was complaining about on 
>> 4.1.3 (icon corruption, taskbar flicker when using some gtk apps, plasma 
>> issues).
>> Can't really say it feels faster (or slower), but imho the improvement 
>> is quite significant.
>>
>>   
>>     
> Thank you Octavian, will try it instead of 180.08
>
>   
Great name, Octavian.

Cheers! Ciao Bello, and Cordially,
Steven



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 15:56:40 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:56:40 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492AC3ED.6070509@sbcglobal.net>
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On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> First, I can change my Login password to 37 characters.  Then I set a
> password for root.  Is that what the above says?

Then I can't help you and what you want I don't think is smart.  And.....   
what I am proposing is not that much tougher than what you want.


Suppose:

1) You log in to your system with your gawd-awful 37 characters.

2) you open a console window in KDE.

3) You type 3 simple things:

xhost +    <this opens the X system for commands you issue at root.>
su            <jump down to root in the console window)
<enter roots password>

Now you have a root window that you NEVER NEED TO CLOSE FOR THIS SESSION.

And if you have a two character root password (Not recommended at all)  then 
there is not much to type.

I usually have three such console sessions going at all times,  one of them 
being an ssh session on my email server and firewall.

Now, if you'd trade in some of those 37 characters (like 25 of them)  I'll bet 
you could come out with less key strokes.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 16:03:42 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:03:42 -0500
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
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Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>> I am starting to learn to use a terminal.  The manual said I could 
>> see my mounted partitions by typing mount.  I did, and partitions I 
>> expected to me mounted were mounted, however, sdb5 should have shown 
>> and did not.
>>
>> As I recall, I cannot yet use that partition by trying to save to it, 
>> but I am able to enter a sub-directore that is in that partition.  So 
>> I am able to store data in the drive, just not in sdb5.  I would 
>> really like that partition to work like the other partitions that are 
>> used for storage.  If that is the reason sdb5 does not show up as 
>> mounted, how do I properly mount that partition?  TIA
>>
>> I bet a lot of you who recognize my name can see improvement in my 
>> understanding.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>
> i wasn't following much in the previous conversation. good job in 
> trying to understand mount :D
>
> if the partition is not showing when you type mount, this means it's 
> not mounted yet. did the guys tell you how to mount it? if so, try to 
> use that command and then check mount. if not, we want to know how it 
> was mounted last time, maybe through dolphin's automount?
> anyway, to mount a partition automatically, it has to be listed in the 
> file /etc/fstab . as soon as you think you understand mounting, try to 
> learn fstab. type the following on the command line:
> konqueror man:/fstab
>
>
Dear Willie,

Was it you that helped me put a /steven folder in my sdb5 partition that 
would not let me save things in?  Anyway if it was, I am locked out again.

When I open my sdb5 partition to store data, I am stopped with the 
following, at the bottom of a blank window:  Permissions Denied.  Also, 
the /steven folder did not appear, nor it's contents.

Do you know how to work me though the problem of getting that partition 
to function the way I want.  I would like to click on sdb5, when I click 
on the "System Menu 'Menu of Important Places'" icon then Storage Media, 
and have a window that I could store data and remove data.  I can't 
remember how to change permissions in the sdb5 folder or directory, 
whichever it is really called.  When I open "Storage Media", I get an 
option relating to Mount, but not one with the properties option that 
would allow me to change permissions.  TIA friend.

Cheers! Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Steven



From d.mcglone at att.net  Mon Nov 24 16:12:41 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:12:41 -0500
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
In-Reply-To: <492AD05E.30602@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929D98A.6080600@sbcglobal.net> <492A0019.8080206@gmail.com>
	<492AD05E.30602@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241112.42107.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Monday 24 November 2008 11:03:42 am Steven Vollom wrote:
> Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> > Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> I am starting to learn to use a terminal.  The manual said I could
> >> see my mounted partitions by typing mount.  I did, and partitions I
> >> expected to me mounted were mounted, however, sdb5 should have shown
> >> and did not.
> >>
> >> As I recall, I cannot yet use that partition by trying to save to it,
> >> but I am able to enter a sub-directore that is in that partition.  So
> >> I am able to store data in the drive, just not in sdb5.  I would
> >> really like that partition to work like the other partitions that are
> >> used for storage.  If that is the reason sdb5 does not show up as
> >> mounted, how do I properly mount that partition?  TIA
> >>
> >> I bet a lot of you who recognize my name can see improvement in my
> >> understanding.
> >>
> >> Steven
> >
> > i wasn't following much in the previous conversation. good job in
> > trying to understand mount :D
> >
> > if the partition is not showing when you type mount, this means it's
> > not mounted yet. did the guys tell you how to mount it? if so, try to
> > use that command and then check mount. if not, we want to know how it
> > was mounted last time, maybe through dolphin's automount?
> > anyway, to mount a partition automatically, it has to be listed in the
> > file /etc/fstab . as soon as you think you understand mounting, try to
> > learn fstab. type the following on the command line:
> > konqueror man:/fstab
>
> Dear Willie,
>
> Was it you that helped me put a /steven folder in my sdb5 partition that
> would not let me save things in?  Anyway if it was, I am locked out again.
>
> When I open my sdb5 partition to store data, I am stopped with the
> following, at the bottom of a blank window:  Permissions Denied.  Also,
> the /steven folder did not appear, nor it's contents.

It sounds like your sdb5 partition is not mounted.

> Do you know how to work me though the problem of getting that partition
> to function the way I want.  I would like to click on sdb5, when I click
> on the "System Menu 'Menu of Important Places'" icon then Storage Media,
> and have a window that I could store data and remove data.  I can't
> remember how to change permissions in the sdb5 folder or directory,
> whichever it is really called.  When I open "Storage Media", I get an
> option relating to Mount, but not one with the properties option that
> would allow me to change permissions.  TIA friend.
>
> Cheers! Ciao Bello, and Cordially,
>
> Steven

-- 
David M.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 16:22:45 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:22:45 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492AC05B.9090602@yahoo.it>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcjp8$e17$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929F079.5030506@sbcglobal.net>	<ggctns$74u$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492A037F.1070308@sbcglobal.net>	<ggdviq$i52$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492ABD83.4090805@sbcglobal.net>
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Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>     
>>> ciao bello
>>>
>>> Eberhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> First, how does Bello translate?  
>>     
>
> Uhm, literally it translates to "hi handsome"... means something like 
> "hi buddy" or "hi mate", depending on which side of the pond you are.
> HTH,
> I.
>
>
>   
And I suppose Bella is Gorgeous or beautiful for girls.  I will still 
use it.  You are all handsome and beautiful in my imagination.

Steven



From dave at thefletchers.net  Mon Nov 24 16:34:45 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:34:45 +0000
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <492AC3ED.6070509@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <200811241634.45739.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Monday 24 November 2008 15:56:40 Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> > First, I can change my Login password to 37 characters.  Then I set a
> > password for root.  Is that what the above says?
>
> Then I can't help you and what you want I don't think is smart.  And.....
> what I am proposing is not that much tougher than what you want.
>
>

Just a thought...

Is it possible to do the same trick that I use across the network, of putting 
my ssh public key into the authorized_keys file of an account on another 
host, so that I can log in without giving the password? Only, in Steven's 
case, putting it into root's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file.

The plan being that Steven logs in with his horrible password, starts a 
konsole, and becomes root using ssh root at localhost. I've never tried this 
myself, but using the administrator account with sudo to copy the public key, 
it is probably possible to enable a root login without setting a root 
password at all.

Dave




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 16:35:08 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:35:08 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811232012.31811.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492AC3ED.6070509@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492AD7BC.7040807@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> First, I can change my Login password to 37 characters.  Then I set a
>> password for root.  Is that what the above says?
>>     
>
> Then I can't help you and what you want I don't think is smart.  And.....   
> what I am proposing is not that much tougher than what you want.
>
>
> Suppose:
>
> 1) You log in to your system with your gawd-awful 37 characters.
>
> 2) you open a console window in KDE.
>
> 3) You type 3 simple things:
>
> xhost +    <this opens the X system for commands you issue at root.>
> su            <jump down to root in the console window)
> <enter roots password>
>
> Now you have a root window that you NEVER NEED TO CLOSE FOR THIS SESSION.
>
> And if you have a two character root password (Not recommended at all)  then 
> there is not much to type.
>
> I usually have three such console sessions going at all times,  one of them 
> being an ssh session on my email server and firewall.
>
> Now, if you'd trade in some of those 37 characters (like 25 of them)  I'll bet 
> you could come out with less key strokes.
>
>
>   
Dear Bruce,

Someone maid me paranoid a few years ago.  They had something like 
that.  Like you, I trusted them and made the effort to learn a password 
that I did not have to think about when I typed it in.  I still have 
possession of that password, even though I rarely use it.  A new friend 
that I trusted told me it wasn't necessary.  Recently people have been 
warning me again, so I thought about how it was in Feisty.  there were 
choices like Terminal, Shell, and Root Shell.  When I needed to be in 
Root, I would open that Shell or Terminal, if I have the terminology right.

I have an 8 digit password that I use for places like Ebay and Kubuntu 
forum and the like that is a lot easier, however, due to my short finger 
I screw up about 20% of the time with that.  The only one that doesn't 
cause me problems is 'em', my grandbaby's name.  Maybe GOD is protecting 
me, because I don't think I have had an intruder yet.  Nonetheless, it 
is nice although not safe, because when I login in the morning I just 
type in em and when I enter Root, I type in em.  Fast.  No mistakes.  
And I agree, stupid.

But since I never have any visitors, I don't ever have anyone looking 
over my shoulder.  So I thought it safe to enter a Root Shell with no 
password, if my Login password is tough.  Although I would prefer it the 
way I remember in Feisty, I will do it your way.  That at least gives me 
some security, by having the tough password at login.  Thanks for your 
concern, my friend.

Are you having as much fun as I, using this forum?  I just love it.

Cheers! Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Steven                            BTW, I found out that Bello means 
handsome.  It fits you all.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 16:40:20 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:40:20 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <ggehh5$gub$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcjp8$e17$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929F079.5030506@sbcglobal.net>	<ggctns$74u$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492A037F.1070308@sbcglobal.net>	<ggdviq$i52$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492ABD83.4090805@sbcglobal.net>
	<ggehh5$gub$1@ger.gmane.org>
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Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>>> ciao bello
>>>
>>> Eberhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> First, how does Bello translate?  
>>     
>
> The italians quite often say "ciao bella", meaning goodbye gorgeous 
> girl. bello is the male form of bella.
>
> Then, I wish I had a brain.  I still
>   
>> am not sure what I am instructed.
>>
>> You understand that I want security.  Do you understand that the only 
>> reason I don't want to have to type my password for a Root terminal is 
>> because of my physical deformity, a shorter finger that causes errors?
>>     
>
> sure I understand. Then, why on earth do you want to type a password at all?
>
> open a terminal and then "sudo -i" does it all for you.
>   
>> I want it difficult for someone to break into my machine, but I don't 
>> want so much security once in, when I am protected by the entry.
>>     
>
> Very good. Then simply change your user password to something more 
> secure which you remember and you are done.
>   
>> And still, I don't want it so easy to enter Root, because of my 
>> inexperience and stupidity which can cause me to error.  My choice for 
>> solution being to have two choices, when I need to use a terminal.  *One 
>> choice, Shell.... One choice, Root Shell, without the requirement to 
>> type in a password*.  That way I will know to be super careful when in 
>> Root, because one will be configured with white print over a black 
>> background and one the reverse coloring; it will be obvious if I open 
>> the wrong Shell.
>>     
>
> KDE 3.x should have anything that you need for this.
>
>   
>> Back in Feisty, I seem to recall that the Root Shell that was provided 
>> on the Kmenu was black print over a cream colored background.  That 
>> distinction alerted you to the fact that you were on a Root Shell.
>>     
>
> In 3.x, it is still like this.
>   
>> If you read this email and believe this is possible, please just say it 
>> will work.  All who have explained it have left out response to that 
>> critical part.
>>     
>
> It's left to you to deduct this from what I and others wrote. After all 
> it is you who decides.
>
>   
>> Once I change my Login password, Kubuntu or KDE will not me change back 
>> to an insecure password, so the only way I can get back to 'em' as a 
>> password is to reinstall the OS; that is if when I make the changes it 
>> isn't the way I have described.  
>>     
>
> ???? Imho this is rubbish. YOU are the one in charge and you decide 
> which password you use.
>
>
> I don't want to do that.  But I would
>   
>> rather have no security at all than have to type in the difficult 
>> password every time I want to enter Root.
>>     
>
> Sure. You just enter it once. Exactly when you login as steven, once a 
> day, any day.
>
>   
>> Please forgive me for having such trouble understanding and explaining.  
>> This will be my attempt to try to explain the part I am confused about.  
>> After this I will just leave things the way they are.
>>     
>
> Hm, this is not a bad idea, However when you change your "steven" 
> password to something more secure, you will not do any harm and you will 
> earn a lot of additional security.
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>
>
>
>   
Thank you, thank you, thank you.  You have me belly laughing again.  I 
may get on the List when I don't need help just to feel good.  I am 
comfortable now.  Oh, and by the way, Thanks!!

Cheers!  Ciao BELLO, and Cordially,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 16:41:12 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:41:12 -0500
Subject: Password question.  OOPS!!!  "" SOLVED ""   Thanks all.
In-Reply-To: <ggehh5$gub$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcjp8$e17$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929F079.5030506@sbcglobal.net>	<ggctns$74u$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492A037F.1070308@sbcglobal.net>	<ggdviq$i52$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492ABD83.4090805@sbcglobal.net>
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Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>>> ciao bello
>>>
>>> Eberhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> First, how does Bello translate?  
>>     
>
> The italians quite often say "ciao bella", meaning goodbye gorgeous 
> girl. bello is the male form of bella.
>
> Then, I wish I had a brain.  I still
>   
>> am not sure what I am instructed.
>>
>> You understand that I want security.  Do you understand that the only 
>> reason I don't want to have to type my password for a Root terminal is 
>> because of my physical deformity, a shorter finger that causes errors?
>>     
>
> sure I understand. Then, why on earth do you want to type a password at all?
>
> open a terminal and then "sudo -i" does it all for you.
>   
>> I want it difficult for someone to break into my machine, but I don't 
>> want so much security once in, when I am protected by the entry.
>>     
>
> Very good. Then simply change your user password to something more 
> secure which you remember and you are done.
>   
>> And still, I don't want it so easy to enter Root, because of my 
>> inexperience and stupidity which can cause me to error.  My choice for 
>> solution being to have two choices, when I need to use a terminal.  *One 
>> choice, Shell.... One choice, Root Shell, without the requirement to 
>> type in a password*.  That way I will know to be super careful when in 
>> Root, because one will be configured with white print over a black 
>> background and one the reverse coloring; it will be obvious if I open 
>> the wrong Shell.
>>     
>
> KDE 3.x should have anything that you need for this.
>
>   
>> Back in Feisty, I seem to recall that the Root Shell that was provided 
>> on the Kmenu was black print over a cream colored background.  That 
>> distinction alerted you to the fact that you were on a Root Shell.
>>     
>
> In 3.x, it is still like this.
>   
>> If you read this email and believe this is possible, please just say it 
>> will work.  All who have explained it have left out response to that 
>> critical part.
>>     
>
> It's left to you to deduct this from what I and others wrote. After all 
> it is you who decides.
>
>   
>> Once I change my Login password, Kubuntu or KDE will not me change back 
>> to an insecure password, so the only way I can get back to 'em' as a 
>> password is to reinstall the OS; that is if when I make the changes it 
>> isn't the way I have described.  
>>     
>
> ???? Imho this is rubbish. YOU are the one in charge and you decide 
> which password you use.
>
>
> I don't want to do that.  But I would
>   
>> rather have no security at all than have to type in the difficult 
>> password every time I want to enter Root.
>>     
>
> Sure. You just enter it once. Exactly when you login as steven, once a 
> day, any day.
>
>   
>> Please forgive me for having such trouble understanding and explaining.  
>> This will be my attempt to try to explain the part I am confused about.  
>> After this I will just leave things the way they are.
>>     
>
> Hm, this is not a bad idea, However when you change your "steven" 
> password to something more secure, you will not do any harm and you will 
> earn a lot of additional security.
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>
>
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 16:53:07 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:53:07 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241634.45739.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<492AC3ED.6070509@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811241634.45739.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <492ADBF3.3010304@sbcglobal.net>

David Fletcher wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008 15:56:40 Bruce Marshall wrote:
>   
>> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>     
>>> First, I can change my Login password to 37 characters.  Then I set a
>>> password for root.  Is that what the above says?
>>>       
>> Then I can't help you and what you want I don't think is smart.  And.....
>> what I am proposing is not that much tougher than what you want.
>>
>>
>>     
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Is it possible to do the same trick that I use across the network, of putting 
> my ssh public key into the authorized_keys file of an account on another 
> host, so that I can log in without giving the password? Only, in Steven's 
> case, putting it into root's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file.
>
> The plan being that Steven logs in with his horrible password, starts a 
> konsole, and becomes root using ssh root at localhost. I've never tried this 
> myself, but using the administrator account with sudo to copy the public key, 
> it is probably possible to enable a root login without setting a root 
> password at all.
>
> Dave
>
>
>   
Dear Dave,

I have the problem solved.  And your post is way over my head. You guys 
are so great, you have me laughing continually.  It is almost sinful to 
have this much fun. 

I am changing my Login password to that 37 digit one, then opening a 
terminal and typing in sudo -i.  Apparently that makes my terminal 
password free, I am hoping in a GUI.  Do you know if that is sufficient 
to make my Root terminal free from needing a password?  I would like to 
identify the terminal as Root Terminal, so I give it proper respect.

Is your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file idea similar.  How do I find the 
terminal when I want to use it?  Most of the time I will be in the GUI.  
At least until I learn more about commands.  So it would be nice if I 
had an Icon short-cut that was identified as Root Shell, so that I 
didn't confuse it with a regular Shell.  Remember I have to protect 
myself from my own intellectual limitations.

Cheers! Ciao Belo, and Cordially,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 17:17:03 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:17:03 -0500
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811240547h313f8653u24a2554a2933dee7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>	<200811231648.47244.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>	<4929D430.4060202@sbcglobal.net>	<200811232205.38130.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>	<492AAD49.1070804@sbcglobal.net>
	<5a1f6bd00811240547h313f8653u24a2554a2933dee7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492AE18F.9000303@sbcglobal.net>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> Jerry Lapham wrote:
>>     
>>> On Sunday 23 November 2008 5:07:44 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> My mouse is a Microsoft cordless optical mouse with a center wheel that
>>>> cannot be depressed.  Is there a different option for this type of mouse?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Are you sure?  On the only two optical mice (corded) that I'm familiar with
>>> you just press down on the center wheel and that's the middle mouse button.
>>> When I used to use the original MS "dovebar" mouse with no center wheel, I
>>> pressed both the right and left mouse buttons simultaneously to simulate a
>>> middle mouse button.  You could try that.
>>>
>>>       -Jerry
>>>
>>>       
>> The center is just a wheel for scrolling.  When I depress the two
>> simultaneously, it does not give the desired effect.
>>     
>
> You should just be able to press that wheel as if it was a button.
> There may be some wheel mice without clickable wheels, but I've never
> seen one.
>
>
>   
Dear Jerry,

If that is the case, my mouse is broken.  The wheel seems undamaged, 
however, it does not give way to any amount of pressure.  It does scroll 
though.  The concurrent pressing of both buttons doesn't do anything 
either.  Microsoft must have made it for Linux users to screw them up.  
I will be fine, until I can get a new mouse.  Thanks for the persistent 
help.

Cheers! Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 17:21:04 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:21:04 -0500
Subject: Password question.  ** SOLVED **  Thanks all.
In-Reply-To: <200811241634.45739.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<492AC3ED.6070509@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811241634.45739.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <492AE280.3090807@sbcglobal.net>

David Fletcher wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008 15:56:40 Bruce Marshall wrote:
>   
>> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>     
>>> First, I can change my Login password to 37 characters.  Then I set a
>>> password for root.  Is that what the above says?
>>>       
>> Then I can't help you and what you want I don't think is smart.  And.....
>> what I am proposing is not that much tougher than what you want.
>>
>>
>>     
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Is it possible to do the same trick that I use across the network, of putting 
> my ssh public key into the authorized_keys file of an account on another 
> host, so that I can log in without giving the password? Only, in Steven's 
> case, putting it into root's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file.
>
> The plan being that Steven logs in with his horrible password, starts a 
> konsole, and becomes root using ssh root at localhost. I've never tried this 
> myself, but using the administrator account with sudo to copy the public key, 
> it is probably possible to enable a root login without setting a root 
> password at all.
>
> Dave
>
>
>   
Dear David,

I am going to post this as solved.  I will keep my ear open if my 
preferred solution appears, but I am taking time away from others who 
need help.  Thanks again for your considerate help.

Cheers! Ciao, and Cordially,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 17:28:21 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:28:21 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811232012.31811.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492AC3ED.6070509@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492AE435.6010002@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> First, I can change my Login password to 37 characters.  Then I set a
>> password for root.  Is that what the above says?
>>     
>
> Then I can't help you and what you want I don't think is smart.  And.....   
> what I am proposing is not that much tougher than what you want.
>
>
> Suppose:
>
> 1) You log in to your system with your gawd-awful 37 characters.
>
> 2) you open a console window in KDE.
>
> 3) You type 3 simple things:
>
> xhost +    <this opens the X system for commands you issue at root.>
> su            <jump down to root in the console window)
> <enter roots password>
>
> Now you have a root window that you NEVER NEED TO CLOSE FOR THIS SESSION.
>
> And if you have a two character root password (Not recommended at all)  then 
> there is not much to type.
>
> I usually have three such console sessions going at all times,  one of them 
> being an ssh session on my email server and firewall.
>
> Now, if you'd trade in some of those 37 characters (like 25 of them)  I'll bet 
> you could come out with less key strokes.
>
>
>   
Hi Bruce,

Just me again.  I just reread this post.  If I take your suggestion, and 
create the Root Shell, will it adopt my current administrator password, 
(em).  If I then change my login password to that awful 37 one, will 
that automatically change my root shell password to that awful one or 
will it remain, em like I want?  Have you ever run into such a dense 
head as mine?  Thanks again, friend.

Steven



From miron.florea at web.de  Mon Nov 24 17:33:00 2008
From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:33:00 +0200
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492ACA9D.7050206@sbcglobal.net>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<200811230944.33261.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<492A7A5C.5060803@gmail.com>	<492AA60D.40400@web.de>	<492AA7CA.5070303@gmail.com>	<492AAB13.7020105@web.de>	<492AB1F0.2040802@gmail.com>
	<492ACA9D.7050206@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492AE54C.7070300@web.de>

On 11/24/2008 05:39 PM, Steven Vollom wrote:
> Great name, Octavian.
>
> Cheers! Ciao Bello, and Cordially,
> Steven
Thank you, Steven.
Actually Roman Emperors' names are quite common here, as we Romanians 
are very proud of our Roman heritage.

And back on topic, I hope the drivers work for Alexander as well.



From miron.florea at web.de  Mon Nov 24 17:42:11 2008
From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:42:11 +0200
Subject: Akregator problem
Message-ID: <492AE773.4040705@web.de>

While it may seem trivial, I'm having a rather annoying issue with the 
Akregator layout, Regardless of using KDE 4.1.3 or Project Neon's 4.2 
there seems no way to make the columns' position and width stick. They 
simply reset to an impossible to use default, which means I have to 
manually adjust them every time I start the program. Is there something 
one can do to prevent this from happening?

Many thanks.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 17:43:26 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:43:26 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492AE435.6010002@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492AE435.6010002@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241243.26392.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> Hi Bruce,
>
> Just me again.  I just reread this post.  If I take your suggestion, and
> create the Root Shell, will it adopt my current administrator password,
> (em).  If I then change my login password to that awful 37 one, will
> that automatically change my root shell password to that awful one or
> will it remain, em like I want?  Have you ever run into such a dense
> head as mine?  Thanks again, friend.

To do what I suggested, you need (or should) set a root password of your 
choice.


sudo passwd root
<enter your gawdawful password for sudo>
<enter new password for root>
<enter same root password again>

You now have a root password.


(I have outlined this procedure befoire)



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 17:51:37 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:51:37 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241243.26392.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492AE435.6010002@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241243.26392.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492AE9A9.6050905@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> Just me again.  I just reread this post.  If I take your suggestion, and
>> create the Root Shell, will it adopt my current administrator password,
>> (em).  If I then change my login password to that awful 37 one, will
>> that automatically change my root shell password to that awful one or
>> will it remain, em like I want?  Have you ever run into such a dense
>> head as mine?  Thanks again, friend.
>>     
>
> To do what I suggested, you need (or should) set a root password of your 
> choice.
>
>
> sudo passwd root
> <enter your gawdawful password for sudo>
> <enter new password for root>
> <enter same root password again>
>
> You now have a root password.
>
>
> (I have outlined this procedure befoire)
>
>   
I have been getting help from so many different people, it is hard to 
end this one. 

Thanks again friend.  We are OK still, aren't we?

Cordially,

Steven



From kassube at gmx.net  Mon Nov 24 17:53:17 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:53:17 +0100
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
In-Reply-To: <492AD05E.30602@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929D98A.6080600@sbcglobal.net> <492A0019.8080206@gmail.com>
	<492AD05E.30602@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241853.17652.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> > Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> I am starting to learn to use a terminal.  The manual said I could
> >> see my mounted partitions by typing mount.  I did, and partitions I
> >> expected to me mounted were mounted, however, sdb5 should have shown
> >> and did not.
>
> Was it you that helped me put a /steven folder in my sdb5 partition
> that would not let me save things in?

No, that was me.

> Anyway if it was, I am locked 
> out again.
>
> When I open my sdb5 partition to store data, I am stopped with the
> following, at the bottom of a blank window:  Permissions Denied.  Also,
> the /steven folder did not appear, nor it's contents.

I'm sorry, obviously I didn't realize that your sdb5 partition isn't 
automatically mounted at startup. I suppose you still have 
the /media/sdb5/steven folder but when you mount the partition it is now 
somewhere on your main partition. What happened is this:

For some reason you had a directory /media/sdb5 but the sdb5 partition 
wasn't mounted there. Then you created the folder which was actually not 
on the sdb5 partition but only on your main partition.

Now, to clean up the mess I created on your machine, it would be good if 
you mount the partition sdb5 via Disk&Filesystems the usual way you are 
familiar with. Then enter these commands

mount
ls /media /media/sdb5

in a terminal and copy the output to a mail.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I think it isn't difficult to repair 
the fault.


Nils



From jonorland at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 17:56:07 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:56:07 +0100
Subject: Akregator problem
In-Reply-To: <492AE773.4040705@web.de>
References: <492AE773.4040705@web.de>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811240956kba325b3lc93bf95580510ed0@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/24 Octavian Florea <miron.florea at web.de>:
> While it may seem trivial, I'm having a rather annoying issue with the
> Akregator layout, Regardless of using KDE 4.1.3 or Project Neon's 4.2
> there seems no way to make the columns' position and width stick. They
> simply reset to an impossible to use default, which means I have to
> manually adjust them every time I start the program. Is there something
> one can do to prevent this from happening?
>

I don't know.

Just want to say i got this problems to and it ain't Akregator only,
there are other programs with similar problem to.

/ Jonas



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 18:15:08 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:15:08 -0500
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
In-Reply-To: <200811241853.17652.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <4929D98A.6080600@sbcglobal.net>
	<492A0019.8080206@gmail.com>	<492AD05E.30602@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241853.17652.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <492AEF2C.6030909@sbcglobal.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I am starting to learn to use a terminal.  The manual said I could
>>>> see my mounted partitions by typing mount.  I did, and partitions I
>>>> expected to me mounted were mounted, however, sdb5 should have shown
>>>> and did not.
>>>>         
>> Was it you that helped me put a /steven folder in my sdb5 partition
>> that would not let me save things in?
>>     
>
> No, that was me.
>
>   
>> Anyway if it was, I am locked 
>> out again.
>>
>> When I open my sdb5 partition to store data, I am stopped with the
>> following, at the bottom of a blank window:  Permissions Denied.  Also,
>> the /steven folder did not appear, nor it's contents.
>>     
>
> I'm sorry, obviously I didn't realize that your sdb5 partition isn't 
> automatically mounted at startup. I suppose you still have 
> the /media/sdb5/steven folder but when you mount the partition it is now 
> somewhere on your main partition. What happened is this:
>
> For some reason you had a directory /media/sdb5 but the sdb5 partition 
> wasn't mounted there. Then you created the folder which was actually not 
> on the sdb5 partition but only on your main partition.
>
> Now, to clean up the mess I created on your machine, it would be good if 
> you mount the partition sdb5 via Disk&Filesystems the usual way you are 
> familiar with. Then enter these commands
>
> mount
> ls /media /media/sdb5
>
> in a terminal and copy the output to a mail.
>
> I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I think it isn't difficult to repair 
> the fault.
>
>
> Nils
>
>   
Hi Nils,
___________________________________________________________________________________

steven at Studio25:~$ ls /media /media/sdb5
/media:
cdrom  cdrom0  cdrom1  floppy  floppy0  sda1  sda5  sda7  sda8  sdb3  sdb5

/media/sdb5:
lost+found  steven
steven at Studio25:~$
__________________________________________________________________________________

On this particular page is it normal to not show the primary partitions 
and swap partitions?

Thanks!  Sorry to put you to so much trouble.  Is Enabling the same as 
Mounting?  To get sdb5 alive again showing the /steven folder, I went to 
Disk&Filesystems, highlighted sdb5 in Administrator mode, and clicked on 
enable.  That made /sdb5/steven accessible.  I still did not allow 
information to be saved in sdb5, just the folder that was in sdb5.  It 
would be better if I could use the directory rather than just the 
subdirectory.  (Hope terms are right.)

Thanks,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 18:26:42 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:26:42 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811232012.31811.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492AC3ED.6070509@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492AF1E2.1040707@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> First, I can change my Login password to 37 characters.  Then I set a
>> password for root.  Is that what the above says?
>>     
>
> Then I can't help you and what you want I don't think is smart.  And.....   
> what I am proposing is not that much tougher than what you want.
>
>
> Suppose:
>
> 1) You log in to your system with your gawd-awful 37 characters.
>
> 2) you open a console window in KDE.
>
> 3) You type 3 simple things:
>
> xhost +    <this opens the X system for commands you issue at root.>
> su            <jump down to root in the console window)
> <enter roots password>
>
> Now you have a root window that you NEVER NEED TO CLOSE FOR THIS SESSION.
>
> And if you have a two character root password (Not recommended at all)  then 
> there is not much to type.
>
> I usually have three such console sessions going at all times,  one of them 
> being an ssh session on my email server and firewall.
>
> Now, if you'd trade in some of those 37 characters (like 25 of them)  I'll bet 
> you could come out with less key strokes.
>
>
>   
Dear Bruce,

I changed my login password to the nightmare.  Then I typed in a 
terminal xhost +, next I typed in su, then I typed in em, because that 
was my password for the terminal, It did not accept it.  I reentered 
xhost + and got the following:

steven at Studio25:~$ xhost +
access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
steven at Studio25:~$

I did not get a chance to type in the new Login password, which I 
suppose it wanted.

Did I just make a terminal mistake?  in the worst sense.

Steven




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 24 18:26:37 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:26:37 +0000
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492AE54C.7070300@web.de>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<492ACA9D.7050206@sbcglobal.net> <492AE54C.7070300@web.de>
Message-ID: <200811241826.37724.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Monday 24 Nov 2008, Octavian Florea wrote:
> Actually Roman Emperors' names are quite common here, as
> we Romanians are very proud of our Roman heritage.
>
> And back on topic, I hope the drivers work for Alexander
> as well.

LOL
sounds like a history joke? (Alexander being a Greek...)

nepal



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 18:53:30 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:53:30 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492AF1E2.1040707@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492AF1E2.1040707@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241353.30978.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> Dear Bruce,
>
> I changed my login password to the nightmare.  Then I typed in a
> terminal xhost +, next I typed in su, then I typed in em, because that
> was my password for the terminal, It did not accept it.  I reentered
> xhost + and got the following:
>
> steven at Studio25:~$ xhost +
> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
> steven at Studio25:~$
>
> I did not get a chance to type in the new Login password, which I
> suppose it wanted.
>
> Did I just make a terminal mistake?  in the worst sense.

Have you set a root passwd yet?



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 18:57:04 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:57:04 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492AF1E2.1040707@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492AF1E2.1040707@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241357.04653.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I changed my login password to the nightmare.  Then I typed in a
> terminal xhost +, next I typed in su, then I typed in em, because that
> was my password for the terminal, It did not accept it.  I reentered
> xhost + and got the following:


The password you should use after the 'su' would be the root passwd you set 
with the passwd command.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 19:20:42 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:20:42 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241353.30978.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492AF1E2.1040707@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241353.30978.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492AFE8A.1040505@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Dear Bruce,
>>
>> I changed my login password to the nightmare.  Then I typed in a
>> terminal xhost +, next I typed in su, then I typed in em, because that
>> was my password for the terminal, It did not accept it.  I reentered
>> xhost + and got the following:
>>
>> steven at Studio25:~$ xhost +
>> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>
>> I did not get a chance to type in the new Login password, which I
>> suppose it wanted.
>>
>> Did I just make a terminal mistake?  in the worst sense.
>>     
>
> Have you set a root passwd yet?
>
>   
yes



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 19:33:36 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:33:36 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492AFE8A.1040505@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241353.30978.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492AFE8A.1040505@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> I changed my login password to the nightmare.  Then I typed in a
> >> terminal xhost +, next I typed in su, then I typed in em, because that
> >> was my password for the terminal, It did not accept it.  I reentered
> >> xhost + and got the following:
> >>
> >> steven at Studio25:~$ xhost +
> >> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
> >> steven at Studio25:~$
> >>
> >> I did not get a chance to type in the new Login password, which I
> >> suppose it wanted.
> >>
> >> Did I just make a terminal mistake?  in the worst sense.
> >>    
> >
> > Have you set a root passwd yet?
> >
> >  
>
> yes

After the 'su', did you type in the passwd you set for root?

And what do you mean by 'then I typed in em, because that
> >> was my password for the terminal'?

What 'terminal' and why did it need a password?   Aren't we talking about a 
Konsole window under KDE???    It should not need a password just to get the 
window.   That is where you should be issuing the 'xhost +'  and the  'su'



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 19:47:24 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:47:24 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241357.04653.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492AF1E2.1040707@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241357.04653.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B04CC.9040202@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I changed my login password to the nightmare.  Then I typed in a
>> terminal xhost +, next I typed in su, then I typed in em, because that
>> was my password for the terminal, It did not accept it.  I reentered
>> xhost + and got the following:
>>     
>
>
> The password you should use after the 'su' would be the root passwd you set 
> with the passwd command.
>
>   
Because I couldn't figure out how to get what I wanted from the last 
installation of Hardy, I configured my passwore as 'em' on my current 
install, I have only had one password for everything on this computer 
except what I do on the internet.  On the internet, my password is 8 
units of info.  On my computer I have used 'em' to login and 'em' to 
open root.

When I reset my password this morning, I opened System Settings>AboutMe 
and changed my password from 'em' to 
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.  I thought steven was a user and 
that entry was for root user.  Oops!  I also used 'em' for Adept Package 
Manager and Synaptic.  I usually use those packages to install, upgrade, 
etc.  whatever else they may do.

I definately wanted 'em' as my password for those occasions still if any 
password at all.

It was the reason I kept rewording my emails, I was trying to convey 
that use.  I am probably going to have to format the drive and 
reinstall.  This OS does not like to let you reduce your security.  I 
tried that on the last install.  I attempted to get what I wanted then 
too, but when I failed, it would not let me go back to 'em' as a 
password without reinstalling the OS.  So I reinstalled.  I have 
confidence in this forum that I did not have then, so I am not as 
concerned.  Do you think I can get back to 'em'.  Is there no way to be 
able to boot with a tougher password, then set my easy one once the 
computer is open?  Can I extract the package that does it in the Feisty 
program and install it in Hardy?  Sorry to be such a big problem. 

I screw up too often when I am using my 8 unit password too.  I used to 
use a voice program when on XP.  It was called Dragon Naturally 
Speaking.  It worked great.  It doesn't work on Linux.  I have been 
alone most of my life, with no need for security, except on the 
internet.  As fast as I would speak, DNSpeaking made perfect entries.

Cheers! Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Goofy



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 19:53:43 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:53:43 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241353.30978.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492AFE8A.1040505@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B0647.1010901@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>>> I changed my login password to the nightmare.  Then I typed in a
>>>> terminal xhost +, next I typed in su, then I typed in em, because that
>>>> was my password for the terminal, It did not accept it.  I reentered
>>>> xhost + and got the following:
>>>>
>>>> steven at Studio25:~$ xhost +
>>>> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
>>>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>>>
>>>> I did not get a chance to type in the new Login password, which I
>>>> suppose it wanted.
>>>>
>>>> Did I just make a terminal mistake?  in the worst sense.
>>>>    
>>>>         
>>> Have you set a root passwd yet?
>>>
>>>  
>>>       
>> yes
>>     
>
> After the 'su', did you type in the passwd you set for root?
>
> And what do you mean by 'then I typed in em, because that
>   
>>>> was my password for the terminal'?
>>>>         
>
> What 'terminal' and why did it need a password?   Aren't we talking about a 
> Konsole window under KDE???    It should not need a password just to get the 
> window.   That is where you should be issuing the 'xhost +'  and the  'su'
>
>   
When I changed my password this morning, I opened SystemSettings>
AboutMe, and changed my password.  I assume that is the root password.

I changed it from 'em' to the 37 unit nightmare.  Then I typed xhost + 
then su em
which was the password I use for Root entry.  It was rejected and 
provided an opportunity to type again.  I typed the new password, with 
errors, I am sure, because when it rejected that, it came up with the 
printout I sent each time I tried to access xhost +.  Then I wrote you.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 20:10:24 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:10:24 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B04CC.9040202@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241357.04653.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B04CC.9040202@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241510.24980.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> When I reset my password this morning, I opened System Settings>AboutMe
> and changed my password from 'em' to
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.  I thought steven was a user and
> that entry was for root user.  Oops!  I also used 'em' for Adept Package
> Manager and Synaptic.  I usually use those packages to install, upgrade,
> etc.  whatever else they may do.
>
> I definately wanted 'em' as my password for those occasions still if any
> password at all.

'steven' is your 'normal' user....    but in the kubuntu world, it also is a 
priviledged user.   It is NOT root.

In a normal kubuntu install, there is only ONE password - - that of 
the 'normal' user.  There are no extra passwords for adept or synaptic, just 
that of the normal user.

ONLY ONE PASSWORD in a normal kubuntu system with one user.

What I was suggesting was that you also set a password for 'root', using the 
procedure I have outlined.

That password can be used to get to a konsole window for root.   

But if you can't grasp that, I think you should let it rest for now.  You have 
much else to learn without wasting a lot of time on this.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 20:10:50 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:10:50 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B0647.1010901@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B0647.1010901@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241510.50949.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> When I changed my password this morning, I opened SystemSettings>
> AboutMe, and changed my password.  I assume that is the root password.

NO!!



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 20:13:05 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:13:05 +1000
Subject: Akregator problem
In-Reply-To: <492AE773.4040705@web.de>
References: <492AE773.4040705@web.de>
Message-ID: <200811250613.06263.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:42:11 am Octavian Florea wrote:
> While it may seem trivial, I'm having a rather annoying issue with the
> Akregator layout, Regardless of using KDE 4.1.3 or Project Neon's 4.2
> there seems no way to make the columns' position and width stick. They
> simply reset to an impossible to use default, which means I have to
> manually adjust them every time I start the program. Is there something
> one can do to prevent this from happening?
>
> Many thanks.


I get this too :( 
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From kassube at gmx.net  Mon Nov 24 20:13:20 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:13:20 +0100
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
In-Reply-To: <492AEF2C.6030909@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929D98A.6080600@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241853.17652.kassube@gmx.net>
	<492AEF2C.6030909@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811242113.20478.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
> > Now, to clean up the mess I created on your machine, it would be good
> > if you mount the partition sdb5 via Disk&Filesystems the usual way
> > you are familiar with. Then enter these commands
> >
> > mount
> > ls /media /media/sdb5
> >
> > in a terminal and copy the output to a mail.
>
> steven at Studio25:~$ ls /media /media/sdb5
> /media:
> cdrom  cdrom0  cdrom1  floppy  floppy0  sda1  sda5  sda7  sda8  sdb3 
> sdb5
>
> /media/sdb5:
> lost+found  steven
> steven at Studio25:~$

OK, that was the output of the ls command. But how about the output of the 
mount command? There seems to be a partition mounted at /media/sdb5 now 
but I'm not sure it is the right one. And that could be clarified with 
the output of mount.

> On this particular page is it normal to not show the primary partitions
> and swap partitions?

On my machine it does show all partitions - I have no idea why you can't 
see them. IIRC, you are using Kubuntu 8.04, don't you?

> Thanks!  Sorry to put you to so much trouble.  Is Enabling the same as
> Mounting?  To get sdb5 alive again showing the /steven folder, I went
> to Disk&Filesystems, highlighted sdb5 in Administrator mode, and
> clicked on enable.  That made /sdb5/steven accessible.  

OK, now I understand how you mount the partition and I had to do some 
experiments to understand what happens. If you use this page and enter a 
mount point for a partition it creates an entry in the file /etc/fstab 
for the partition. Furthermore it creates the mount point directory. If 
you then enable the partition it will be mounted. However it isn't useful 
to go to the administrator mode each time you want to mount the 
partition. Therefore I suggest you go to that page one more time. Select 
the sdb5 partition and clich the "Modify ..." button. For the "Mount 
permission" select "Any user may enable/disable any time" and click "OK". 
That way you don't need administrator mode to mount the partition.

Finally we'll create a shortcut for the partition so you can access it 
more easily. Right click on the empty desktop and select "Create 
New" -> "Link to device" -> "Hard disk device ...". At the "General" tab 
enter a name for the shortcut. At the "Device" tab select the 
device "/dev/sdb5" and click "OK". Now when you want to access the 
partition, just click the shortcut and the disk will be mounted if 
necessary and then it will be opened with Dolphin.


Nils



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 20:24:27 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:24:27 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241353.30978.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492AFE8A.1040505@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B0D7B.2020600@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>>> I changed my login password to the nightmare.  Then I typed in a
>>>> terminal xhost +, next I typed in su, then I typed in em, because that
>>>> was my password for the terminal, It did not accept it.  I reentered
>>>> xhost + and got the following:
>>>>
>>>> steven at Studio25:~$ xhost +
>>>> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
>>>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>>>
>>>> I did not get a chance to type in the new Login password, which I
>>>> suppose it wanted.
>>>>
>>>> Did I just make a terminal mistake?  in the worst sense.
>>>>    
>>>>         
>>> Have you set a root passwd yet?
>>>
>>>  
>>>       
>> yes
>>     
>
> After the 'su', did you type in the passwd you set for root?
>
> And what do you mean by 'then I typed in em, because that
>   
>>>> was my password for the terminal'?
>>>>         
To me, Terminal is the same as Shell is the same as Root shell excepting 
for password.  Is that not right?

I am sorry, I didn't answer this question.  I take everything written at 
its face value. 
My understanding was there is a difference between user and root.  I 
have always been referred to steven and user.  I never thought about my 
being the only one on my computer so that perhaps my password was root.  
I just always chose 'em' for any password needed within my computer to 
make it easier.  I have always wanted to have a more difficult Login 
password, but I need my computer like Feisty.  I could do things with my 
Root Shell without a password.  I lost that in Gutsy, so in Hardy, when 
I installed the new OS, I used 'em' for my Login password, and things 
have been insecure, but fine for me.  I never thought losing the end of 
one finger could cause so much problems.  I had to relearn to make 
pottery,  Painting changed with loss of controll, typing has been filled 
with errors, it is much more difficult to open a jar, it hasn't been fun.
>
> What 'terminal' and why did it need a password? 
To get me into root.
>   Aren't we talking about a 
> Konsole window under KDE???
I think Konsole was one of the ways Feisty used for an option to open a 
shell or terminal.
>     It should not need a password just to get the 
> window.
When I want to type in instructions in a shell or konsole or terminal, I 
do not see the difference.  Only Root shell is different to me.  Don't 
they all have steven at Studio25~$ on the command line.  I am not so 
familiar with the term konsole yet.  I open things by their picture.  I 
am visually instructed  right-brain only for 60 years.  I am currently 
learning the logical way to think.  When I look at a desk full of 
papers, my mind is more like a camera that a deducing machine.  It has 
taken me years to just get to the beginning stages of understanding 
people like you who are left-brained and logical.  I have had a hundred 
breakthroughs in the last couple of weeks.  That is why I am always so 
excited, but I don't have the ability to express myself in terms that 
logical thinkers can grasp.  It is why I call myself stupid, but their 
are a countless number of things that I can do without concentrating 
that computer gurus can't understand no matter how hard I try to explain 
it.  Think of me as Robinson Caruso without Friday.  I have only had 
right brain activity for 60 years.  Am I stupid, I am not sure.  I can 
do many things you can't.  I can understand concepts at a glance.  I can 
fix complex problems that others are unable to do effortlessly because I 
see things in their complete state, their weaknesses glare out at me.  
At a glance, I can fix things, smarter people and me never can figure 
out.  It is a little frustrating, but I manage.  It has made friendships 
difficult all my life.  This List has been my happiest time, because 
although I know I appear pretty stupid, you all seem to like helping 
me.  And when you address the things I think I need to know, I move 
ahead very fast.  Please don't give up on me; you will never appreciate 
how far you all have brought me in a week.

It wasn't until I could picture in my mind a file cabinet that I could 
understand the document, folder, thing.  When I did visualized that, 
Windows became pretty easy to me.  Now that I am older, my memory is 
failing me.  It is very difficult to remember the acronyms and 
abbreviations that are prevalent, recently I notice that that is what 
much of the code is.  mkdir  make directory, until I noticed that, akdir 
was a complicated picture with chaotic changes of direction, no line 
harmony.  It wouldn't take me 5 seconds to improve its beauty.  I bet I 
could create a language for artists that understandable because of its 
balance, harmony, beauty, and 'logical' appearance for what it 
represents.  Binary is completely unthinkable for me.

I will never give up.

Cudos, Cheers!, Caio Bello and Cordially,

Steven
>    That is where you should be issuing the 'xhost +'  and the  'su'
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 20:31:35 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:31:35 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241510.50949.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B0647.1010901@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241510.50949.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B0F27.5050507@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> When I changed my password this morning, I opened SystemSettings>
>> AboutMe, and changed my password.  I assume that is the root password.
>>     
>
> NO!!
>
>   
What do I do now.  Can I get into Adept Package Manager?  Can I get into 
my computer if I shut it off?  Can I reverse what happened when I tried 
xhost +?  With help can I get back to 'em' as my password?  Or do I have 
to format and reinstall?



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 20:42:57 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:42:57 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241357.04653.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492AF1E2.1040707@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241357.04653.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B11D1.2010506@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I changed my login password to the nightmare.  Then I typed in a
>> terminal xhost +, next I typed in su, then I typed in em, because that
>> was my password for the terminal, It did not accept it.  I reentered
>> xhost + and got the following:
>>     
>
>
> The password you should use after the 'su' would be the root passwd you set 
> with the passwd command.
>
>   
Dear Bruce,

It is just like the last time I tried to get 'em' back.  When I opened 
SystemSettings>AboutMe and tried to reset my password it said my 
password was too insecure but said do I really want to do that anyway.  
I confirmed and it rejected it again, and this time gave me no options.  
Is there a way to override the computer.  I am certainly using a secure 
enough password to get into my computer.  Doesn't it have to obey the 
boss?  Is there a way to force it.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 21:01:58 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:01:58 -0500
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
In-Reply-To: <200811242113.20478.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <4929D98A.6080600@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241853.17652.kassube@gmx.net>	<492AEF2C.6030909@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811242113.20478.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <492B1646.3050308@sbcglobal.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Nils Kassube wrote:
>>     
>>> Now, to clean up the mess I created on your machine, it would be good
>>> if you mount the partition sdb5 via Disk&Filesystems the usual way
>>> you are familiar with. Then enter these commands
>>>
>>> mount
>>> ls /media /media/sdb5
>>>
>>> in a terminal and copy the output to a mail.
>>>       
>> steven at Studio25:~$ ls /media /media/sdb5
>> /media:
>> cdrom  cdrom0  cdrom1  floppy  floppy0  sda1  sda5  sda7  sda8  sdb3 
>> sdb5
>>
>> /media/sdb5:
>> lost+found  steven
>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>     
>
> OK, that was the output of the ls command. But how about the output of the 
> mount command? There seems to be a partition mounted at /media/sdb5 now 
> but I'm not sure it is the right one. And that could be clarified with 
> the output of mount.
>
>   
>> On this particular page is it normal to not show the primary partitions
>> and swap partitions?
>>     
>
> On my machine it does show all partitions - I have no idea why you can't 
> see them. IIRC, you are using Kubuntu 8.04, don't you?
>
>   
>> Thanks!  Sorry to put you to so much trouble.  Is Enabling the same as
>> Mounting?  To get sdb5 alive again showing the /steven folder, I went
>> to Disk&Filesystems, highlighted sdb5 in Administrator mode, and
>> clicked on enable.  That made /sdb5/steven accessible.  
>>     
>
> OK, now I understand how you mount the partition and I had to do some 
> experiments to understand what happens. If you use this page and enter a 
> mount point for a partition it creates an entry in the file /etc/fstab 
> for the partition. Furthermore it creates the mount point directory. If 
> you then enable the partition it will be mounted. However it isn't useful 
> to go to the administrator mode each time you want to mount the 
> partition. Therefore I suggest you go to that page one more time. Select 
> the sdb5 partition and clich the "Modify ..." button. For the "Mount 
> permission" select "Any user may enable/disable any time" and click "OK". 
> That way you don't need administrator mode to mount the partition.
>   
Dear Nils,

I opened SystemSettings>Advanced>Disk&Filesystems>Modify,
there was no mount option that I could see.  The window that opened has 
a box at the top that says
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

                             Type:  proc
                              Mount Point:      /proc
                              Options              defaults

The rest of the window is blank with OK and Cancel options at the bottom.
______________________________________________________________________________________
> Finally we'll create a shortcut for the partition so you can access it 
> more easily. Right click on the empty desktop and select "Create 
> New" -> "Link to device" -> "Hard disk device ...". At the "General" tab 
> enter a name for the shortcut. At the "Device" tab select the 
> device "/dev/sdb5" and click "OK". Now when you want to access the 
> partition, just click the shortcut and the disk will be mounted if 
> necessary and then it will be opened with Dolphin.
>   
I carefully followed your instruction until the shortcut was on the 
desktop.  When I clicked on the shortcut, I got the following Error - 
KDesktop
The desktop entry file
/home/steven/Desktop/%2fdev$2fsdb5 is of type FSDevice but has no 
Dev=...entry.
                                                                OK

I know that is not what you expected, however I expected the mount point 
to be /media/sdb5 and it was /proc  and the Disk&Filesystems GUI view 
shows it mounted as /media/sdb5  ext3 filing system /dev/seb5, enabled.
> Nils
>
>   




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 21:05:53 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:05:53 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B0D7B.2020600@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B0D7B.2020600@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241605.53431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> My understanding was there is a difference between user and root.  I
> have always been referred to steven and user.  I never thought about my
> being the only one on my computer so that perhaps my password was root.  

No, your steven password is NOT the root password.    steven + <steven's 
passwd>  allows you to use SUDO to issue commands AS ROOT.

You need to grasp this concept before we can procede.


> I just always chose 'em' for any password needed within my computer to
> make it easier.  I have always wanted to have a more difficult Login
> password, but I need my computer like Feisty.  I could do things with my
> Root Shell without a password.  I lost that in Gutsy, so in Hardy, when
> I installed the new OS, I used 'em' for my Login password, and things
> have been insecure, but fine for me.  I never thought losing the end of
> one finger could cause so much problems.  I had to relearn to make
> pottery,  Painting changed with loss of controll, typing has been filled
> with errors, it is much more difficult to open a jar, it hasn't been fun.
>
> > What 'terminal' and why did it need a password?
>
> To get me into root.

You get the window...... THEN you get to root.


>
> >   Aren't we talking about a
> > Konsole window under KDE???
>
> I think Konsole was one of the ways Feisty used for an option to open a
> shell or terminal.
>
> >     It should not need a password just to get the
> > window.

No you shouldn't need a passwd just to get the window.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 21:08:23 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:08:23 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B0F27.5050507@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241510.50949.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B0F27.5050507@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241608.24138.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> What do I do now.  Can I get into Adept Package Manager?  Can I get into
> my computer if I shut it off?  Can I reverse what happened when I tried
> xhost +?  With help can I get back to 'em' as my password?  Or do I have
> to format and reinstall?

Look...   just use your 'steven'  userid and whatever is 'steven's' password 
and use sudo and whatever you do from there is your choice.

As long as you know 'steven'  s password, the system will work like it does 
for anyone else.  (even me even though I have root windows available)

I think we've wasted enough time on this because we are not communicating.

I notice no one else has jumped in so either what I am telling you is right, 
or they have tired of the conversation.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 21:10:48 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:10:48 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B11D1.2010506@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241357.04653.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B11D1.2010506@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241610.49093.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> It is just like the last time I tried to get 'em' back.  When I opened
> SystemSettings>AboutMe and tried to reset my password it said my
> password was too insecure but said do I really want to do that anyway.  
> I confirmed and it rejected it again, and this time gave me no options.  
> Is there a way to override the computer.  I am certainly using a secure
> enough password to get into my computer.  Doesn't it have to obey the
> boss?  Is there a way to force it.

Look....    the secure password you use to get into the computer *IS* steven's 
passwd and if you change that, you are going to have to use that SAME 
PASSWORD to get into the computer.  You cannot have two different passwords 
for 'steven'.   (and no, it is not the same as the root password)

As I said, we're not getting anywhere with this.  You don't grasp how things 
are working even though I have tried to explain.




From kassube at gmx.net  Mon Nov 24 21:16:14 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:16:14 +0100
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B0F27.5050507@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241510.50949.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B0F27.5050507@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811242216.14160.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Bruce Marshall wrote:
> > On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >> When I changed my password this morning, I opened SystemSettings>
> >> AboutMe, and changed my password.  I assume that is the root
> >> password.
> >
> > NO!!
>
> What do I do now.  Can I get into Adept Package Manager?  Can I get
> into my computer if I shut it off?  Can I reverse what happened when I
> tried xhost +?  With help can I get back to 'em' as my password?  Or do
> I have to format and reinstall?

Either you have changed your own password or the one for root. If I 
understand it right what you wrote, you now have either the 37 character 
password or "em" for root and / or yourself.

And just loosing the password is no reason to reinstall. Use the recovery 
mode of the grub menu and then you can get a root shell to set a new 
password: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword>


Nils



From kassube at gmx.net  Mon Nov 24 21:28:43 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:28:43 +0100
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
In-Reply-To: <492B1646.3050308@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929D98A.6080600@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811242113.20478.kassube@gmx.net>
	<492B1646.3050308@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811242228.43597.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
> > OK, now I understand how you mount the partition and I had to do some
> > experiments to understand what happens. If you use this page and
> > enter a mount point for a partition it creates an entry in the file
> > /etc/fstab for the partition. Furthermore it creates the mount point
> > directory. If you then enable the partition it will be mounted.
> > However it isn't useful to go to the administrator mode each time you
> > want to mount the partition. Therefore I suggest you go to that page
> > one more time. Select the sdb5 partition and clich the "Modify ..."
> > button. For the "Mount permission" select "Any user may
> > enable/disable any time" and click "OK". That way you don't need
> > administrator mode to mount the partition.
>
> I opened SystemSettings>Advanced>Disk&Filesystems>Modify,
> there was no mount option that I could see. 

"Mount Permission" not option. But maybe you have a different version of 
the page?

> The window that opened has 
> a box at the top that says
>
>                              Type:  proc
>                               Mount Point:      /proc
>                               Options              defaults
>
> The rest of the window is blank with OK and Cancel options at the
> bottom.

I think you selected the wrong partition. Can you try that again with the 
sdb5 partition?

> > Finally we'll create a shortcut for the partition so you can access
> > it more easily. Right click on the empty desktop and select "Create
> > New" -> "Link to device" -> "Hard disk device ...". At the "General"
> > tab enter a name for the shortcut. At the "Device" tab select the
> > device "/dev/sdb5" and click "OK". Now when you want to access the
> > partition, just click the shortcut and the disk will be mounted if
> > necessary and then it will be opened with Dolphin.
>
> I carefully followed your instruction until the shortcut was on the
> desktop.  When I clicked on the shortcut, I got the following Error -
> KDesktop
> The desktop entry file
> /home/steven/Desktop/%2fdev$2fsdb5 is of type FSDevice but has no
> Dev=...entry.

Did you select the /dev/sdb5 entry of the "Device" tab? Anyway, unless you 
made the mount permission change the shortcut doesn't really help.


Nils



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 21:44:13 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:44:13 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241608.24138.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241510.50949.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B0F27.5050507@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241608.24138.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B202D.2080300@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> What do I do now.  Can I get into Adept Package Manager?  Can I get into
>> my computer if I shut it off?  Can I reverse what happened when I tried
>> xhost +?  With help can I get back to 'em' as my password?  Or do I have
>> to format and reinstall?
>>     
>
> Look...   just use your 'steven'  userid and whatever is 'steven's' password 
> and use sudo and whatever you do from there is your choice.
>
> As long as you know 'steven'  s password, the system will work like it does 
> for anyone else.  (even me even though I have root windows available)
>
> I think we've wasted enough time on this because we are not communicating.
>
> I notice no one else has jumped in so either what I am telling you is right, 
> or they have tired of the conversation.
>
>   
OK Bruce, but I am right now right in the middle of where I was trying 
to avoid.  Over and Over I tried to explain the same thing.  I 
remembered that if I put a more difficult password into my computer, I 
would not be able to change back.  I did as you said; it did not do what 
I asked, and now I have to type the 37 units in to open my computer 
instead of 'em'.  If I want to make any change requiring root, I have to 
type in 37 units to open Root.  To use a package manager I have to type 
37 units in.  And every time I try to type that 37 units in it takes me 
several tries, unless I do it slow, and I can't do it slow; the order 
gets mixed up.  There is a rhythm that helps me remember it.  Typing 
slow to make sure I don't hit a wrong key causes me to lose my place.  
When I had Dragon Naturally Speaking, I could repeat it as fast as I can 
say it and it would always work.  And now when I want to change it back 
to 'em', I can't.

Is it possible to undo what happened when I entered the xhost + and su 
entries?  Otherwise I am going to have to format.  It takes me a long 
time to reinstall, reset configurations, get the proper packages and 
dependencies back in, and I have some serious problems that require my 
computer right now.  I will also be out of touch with my family for 
several days.  It is OK, friend, I will fix it somehow.

Cheers!
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 21:49:56 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:49:56 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811242216.14160.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241510.50949.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B0F27.5050507@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811242216.14160.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <492B2184.3070301@sbcglobal.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>>     
>>> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> When I changed my password this morning, I opened SystemSettings>
>>>> AboutMe, and changed my password.  I assume that is the root
>>>> password.
>>>>         
>>> NO!!
>>>       
>> What do I do now.  Can I get into Adept Package Manager?  Can I get
>> into my computer if I shut it off?  Can I reverse what happened when I
>> tried xhost +?  With help can I get back to 'em' as my password?  Or do
>> I have to format and reinstall?
>>     
>
> Either you have changed your own password or the one for root. If I 
> understand it right what you wrote, you now have either the 37 character 
> password or "em" for root and / or yourself.
>   
It is the 37.  And I cannot live with that.
> And just loosing the password is no reason to reinstall. Use the recovery 
> mode of the grub menu and then you can get a root shell to set a new 
> password: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword>
>   
I don't have a lost password, I have one that I can only do about once a 
day.  It can take from 3 to 5 attempts before I can type it in error 
free.  Any slower and I lose my place.  It is a random gibberish that 
doesn't relate to anything and requires a rhythm to type.  My short 
finger screws it up.

Bruce, if I do this Grub Menu thing, can I get 'em' back?
>
> Nils
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 21:51:43 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:51:43 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241605.53431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B0D7B.2020600@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241605.53431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B21EF.6040302@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> My understanding was there is a difference between user and root.  I
>> have always been referred to steven and user.  I never thought about my
>> being the only one on my computer so that perhaps my password was root.  
>>     
>
> No, your steven password is NOT the root password.    steven + <steven's 
> passwd>  allows you to use SUDO to issue commands AS ROOT.
>
> You need to grasp this concept before we can procede.
>   
I don't know what to do, Bruce.  I have reread it several times, I can't 
see what you are saying.  What can ROOT do that SUDO cannot do?  My 
password made SUDO work.  I know that it is me who is in error, it just 
doesn't seem logical as I know the word Logical.
>
>   
>> I just always chose 'em' for any password needed within my computer to
>> make it easier.  I have always wanted to have a more difficult Login
>> password, but I need my computer like Feisty.  I could do things with my
>> Root Shell without a password.  I lost that in Gutsy, so in Hardy, when
>> I installed the new OS, I used 'em' for my Login password, and things
>> have been insecure, but fine for me.  I never thought losing the end of
>> one finger could cause so much problems.  I had to relearn to make
>> pottery,  Painting changed with loss of controll, typing has been filled
>> with errors, it is much more difficult to open a jar, it hasn't been fun.
>>
>>     
>>> What 'terminal' and why did it need a password?
>>>       
>> To get me into root.
>>     
I don't remember now what I needed root for, probably some instruction 
from the list.  That was quite a while ago.
>
> You get the window...... THEN you get to root.
>
>
>   
>>>   Aren't we talking about a
>>> Konsole window under KDE???
>>>       
>> I think Konsole was one of the ways Feisty used for an option to open a
>> shell or terminal.
>>     
When you open a Konsole, does it look like a shell?  I can't remember 
the term konsol.
>>     
>>>     It should not need a password just to get the
>>> window.
>>>       
>
> No you shouldn't need a passwd just to get the window.
>   
I finally found what you were talking about when I say window.  Right 
now I am typing in a window that is an email.  Then I was talking about 
the window that makes up a Shell.  To me it is a window on the Desktop 
that contains a Shell, which I consider some kind of engine that moves 
data around.  This window is a mail man or mail truck.  It delivers the 
mail that is in it.  Basically that is how I see it.  I have not had 
anyone question that before.  Up until the list I have gotten very 
little help.  I had to create ways for me to understand things to get 
any results.  I have posted the same problem several different ways and 
posted on several forums, then waited months for a response.  I am used 
to forgetting I asked a question on a forum and did not see the answer 
til months later, because no one usually answers my posts.  I have 
crashed and formatted my computer probably more than 30 times, 
experimenting and trying to understand.  This is the first time I have 
gotten any help that I did not have to wait weeks or months for ever.  I 
have been trying for close to 15 years.  Still I will never give up.  I 
wanted to use the computer to make art.  All I have been able to use it 
for is emails, finding information, movies.

Surely you see how many ways I posted my question about what I wanted to 
accomplish with my password.  I must have posted a dozen different ways, 
and still I don't think anyone knows what I need.  I don't have any 
hidden agendas in anything I say.  I mean precisely what I say, so when 
someone answers a different question from what I ask, I get confused.




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Nov 24 22:11:22 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:11:22 +0000
Subject: Strange log entry
Message-ID: <492B268A.90303@tiscali.co.uk>

I keep getting these lines in my logwatch report:

> Nov 23 14:02:23 wulfy-desktop dhclient: DHCPREQUEST of **.**.***.*** on eth0 to 192.168.0.1 port 67
> Nov 23 14:02:23 wulfy-desktop dhclient: DHCPACK of **.**.***.*** from 192.168.0.1
The *'s are, of course, numbers and are the same in both lines.  This 
happens every couple of minutes, which generates a lot of e-mails from 
logwatch.  I'm a complete newbie at networking so have no idea even how 
to google intelligently on this subject...  :@(

Can anyone tell me why my eth0 is continually asking for a DHCP? Is this 
normal? Or do I have a problem in the configuration?

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 22:12:59 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:12:59 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B202D.2080300@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241608.24138.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B202D.2080300@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241712.59687.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> Is it possible to undo what happened when I entered the xhost + and su
> entries? 

As far as I can tell, these two commands did nothing.


> Otherwise I am going to have to format.

That's the wrong approach.

> It takes me a long  
> time to reinstall, reset configurations, get the proper packages and
> dependencies back in, and I have some serious problems that require my
> computer right now.  I will also be out of touch with my family for
> several days.  It is OK, friend, I will fix it somehow.

Re-installing is almost never needed.

Remember, I said that 'steven' can only have ONE password....   I don't know 
what you have for a passwd now but I assume it is the 37 character one.   But 
you still should be able to change 'steven' passwd to anything else.




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 22:14:48 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:14:48 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B2184.3070301@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811242216.14160.kassube@gmx.net>
	<492B2184.3070301@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241714.48678.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> > Either you have changed your own password or the one for root. If I
> > understand it right what you wrote, you now have either the 37 character
> > password or "em" for root and / or yourself.
> >  
>
> It is the 37.  And I cannot live with that.
>

Then change it to something workable.


> > And just loosing the password is no reason to reinstall. Use the recovery
> > mode of the grub menu and then you can get a root shell to set a new
> > password: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword>
> >  
>
> I don't have a lost password, I have one that I can only do about once a
> day. 

Then change it.


>
> Bruce, if I do this Grub Menu thing, can I get 'em' back?

You shouldn't have to do any magic tricks to change the password.   Do your:

system settings   business and change it.




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 22:16:07 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:16:07 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B21EF.6040302@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241605.53431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B21EF.6040302@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241716.07766.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I don't know what to do, Bruce.  I have reread it several times, I can't
> see what you are saying.  What can ROOT do that SUDO cannot do? 

Nothing

> My 
> password made SUDO work. 


Yes it did.   So change 'steven' password to something reasonable and let's 
just forget about root altogether.    Use SUDO



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 22:22:34 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:22:34 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811242216.14160.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241510.50949.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B0F27.5050507@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811242216.14160.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <492B292A.9060405@sbcglobal.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>>     
>>> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>       
>>>> When I changed my password this morning, I opened SystemSettings>
>>>> AboutMe, and changed my password.  I assume that is the root
>>>> password.
>>>>         
>>> NO!!
>>>       
>> What do I do now.  Can I get into Adept Package Manager?  Can I get
>> into my computer if I shut it off?  Can I reverse what happened when I
>> tried xhost +?  With help can I get back to 'em' as my password?  Or do
>> I have to format and reinstall?
>>     
>
> Either you have changed your own password or the one for root. If I 
> understand it right what you wrote, you now have either the 37 character 
> password or "em" for root and / or yourself.
>   
I am feeling pretty hopeless right now, Nils.  I have a 37 password.  It 
is too difficult for me to re-enter a lot.  I make too many mistakes 
with my short finger.  I typed in the following command, a suggestion 
from a friend, in case you know what it does:

xhost +
su

It requested my password.  I typed in 'em'/.  That is what I have always 
entered in a shell.  It was wrong.  I then tried my 37 password.  I made 
mistakes because of my short finger.  When I tried again and then to 
return to xhost + to try again, the computer did not allow the process.  
I think it locked me out, probably thinking I was an invader.  I am 
where I was trying to avoid being.  I kept trying to explain myself, 
over and over, but no one answered the question I needed answered.  I 
could not make myself understood.  In the end, I decided to try the 
suggestion and here I am, exactly where I did not want to be.  The 
stress is enormous right now.  I am building my new computer and it did 
not fire up properly, so I am in two way conversation trying to resolve 
that.
> And just loosing the password is no reason to reinstall. Use the recovery 
> mode of the grub menu and then you can get a root shell to set a new 
> password: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword>
>   
Will the recovery mode get me back to my 'em' password?  I would give 
anything to be back there.  At least until I can make myself understood 
about what I need.  I can put in my 37, but it takes several tries usually.

Nills, do you have access to a Hardy KDE3.5.10 OS.  When I reset my 
password this morning, I clicked on the Kmenu 
Icon>SystemSettings>AboutMe.  In a box on the lower part of the screen 
was a button to change passwords.  I clicked on that and put 'em' in and 
it gave me the opportunity to change the password.  I typed 37 in twice 
and my password changed.  I believe that changed my login password.  
That is what I wanted to do, nonetheless, I did not want that as my 
password to enter a Root Shell or Adept Package Manager or Synaptic 
Package Manager.  I tried to make that clear in my many emails. Yet that 
is exactly where I am.
>
> Nils, I have an 8 unit password I use for banking, Ebay, Kubuntu forum, etc., that I also have trouble typing error free.  I have them remembered by my computer so I don't have to type them in.
>   

When I tried to change my password back to 'em' it said it was too easy 
and did I really want to do that.  I said I that I wanted to anyway; it 
gave me that choice.  Then it rejected my request anyway, and said it 
had to be more secure.  Anything I can type and remember and not have 
trouble with my short finger is rejected.  Is there a way to force the 
computer to do what I want.  I would like to change back to 'em'.  What 
I would really like is to have my 37 my login and a good firewall, and 
no additional security.  Once in the computer, I would like to enter 
steven at Studio25:~#, and be able to just type in code with no password.  
If you remember Feisty.  Like that.

Cordially, my friend.
steven




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 22:33:00 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:33:00 +0200
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B292A.9060405@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241510.50949.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B0F27.5050507@sbcglobal.net>	<200811242216.14160.kassube@gmx.net>
	<492B292A.9060405@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492B2B9C.7080506@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>>>     
>>>> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>> When I changed my password this morning, I opened SystemSettings>
>>>>> AboutMe, and changed my password.  I assume that is the root
>>>>> password.
>>>>>         
>>>> NO!!
>>>>       
>>> What do I do now.  Can I get into Adept Package Manager?  Can I get
>>> into my computer if I shut it off?  Can I reverse what happened when I
>>> tried xhost +?  With help can I get back to 'em' as my password?  Or do
>>> I have to format and reinstall?
>>>     
>> Either you have changed your own password or the one for root. If I 
>> understand it right what you wrote, you now have either the 37 character 
>> password or "em" for root and / or yourself.
>>   
> I am feeling pretty hopeless right now, Nils.  I have a 37 password.  It 
> is too difficult for me to re-enter a lot.  I make too many mistakes 
> with my short finger.  I typed in the following command, a suggestion 
> from a friend, in case you know what it does:
> 
> xhost +
> su
> 
> It requested my password.  I typed in 'em'/.  That is what I have always 
> entered in a shell.  It was wrong.  I then tried my 37 password.  I made 
> mistakes because of my short finger.  When I tried again and then to 
> return to xhost + to try again, the computer did not allow the process.  
> I think it locked me out, probably thinking I was an invader.  I am 
> where I was trying to avoid being.  I kept trying to explain myself, 
> over and over, but no one answered the question I needed answered.  I 
> could not make myself understood.  In the end, I decided to try the 
> suggestion and here I am, exactly where I did not want to be.  The 
> stress is enormous right now.  I am building my new computer and it did 
> not fire up properly, so I am in two way conversation trying to resolve 
> that.
>> And just loosing the password is no reason to reinstall. Use the recovery 
>> mode of the grub menu and then you can get a root shell to set a new 
>> password: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword>
>>   
> Will the recovery mode get me back to my 'em' password?  I would give 
> anything to be back there.  At least until I can make myself understood 
> about what I need.  I can put in my 37, but it takes several tries usually.
> 
> Nills, do you have access to a Hardy KDE3.5.10 OS.  When I reset my 
> password this morning, I clicked on the Kmenu 
> Icon>SystemSettings>AboutMe.  In a box on the lower part of the screen 
> was a button to change passwords.  I clicked on that and put 'em' in and 
> it gave me the opportunity to change the password.  I typed 37 in twice 
> and my password changed.  I believe that changed my login password.  
> That is what I wanted to do, nonetheless, I did not want that as my 
> password to enter a Root Shell or Adept Package Manager or Synaptic 
> Package Manager.  I tried to make that clear in my many emails. Yet that 
> is exactly where I am.
>> Nils, I have an 8 unit password I use for banking, Ebay, Kubuntu forum, etc., that I also have trouble typing error free.  I have them remembered by my computer so I don't have to type them in.
>>   
> 
> When I tried to change my password back to 'em' it said it was too easy 
> and did I really want to do that.  I said I that I wanted to anyway; it 
> gave me that choice.  Then it rejected my request anyway, and said it 
> had to be more secure.  Anything I can type and remember and not have 
> trouble with my short finger is rejected.  Is there a way to force the 
> computer to do what I want.  I would like to change back to 'em'.  What 
> I would really like is to have my 37 my login and a good firewall, and 
> no additional security.  Once in the computer, I would like to enter 
> steven at Studio25:~#, and be able to just type in code with no password.  
> If you remember Feisty.  Like that.
> 
> Cordially, my friend.
> steven
> 
> 

by entering systemsettings and entering a new password there, i'll 
assume you changed your own password, the password you use for login, 
and for suso.
typing su, you will be required to supply the root password, whic his by 
default disabled, as you know, if you have it disabled, no password will 
work for su, if you did enable root, then you can put the root password 
here, and you'll get a root shell.
to test what is your current login password, open a new konsole, type 
"sudo ls" , you will be asked for a password, type the password you 
enetered in systemsettings, and see if it works.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 22:33:51 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:33:51 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241712.59687.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241608.24138.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B202D.2080300@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241712.59687.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B2BCF.4010909@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Is it possible to undo what happened when I entered the xhost + and su
>> entries? 
>>     
>
> As far as I can tell, these two commands did nothing.
>
>
>   
>> Otherwise I am going to have to format.
>>     
>
> That's the wrong approach.
>
>   
>> It takes me a long  
>> time to reinstall, reset configurations, get the proper packages and
>> dependencies back in, and I have some serious problems that require my
>> computer right now.  I will also be out of touch with my family for
>> several days.  It is OK, friend, I will fix it somehow.
>>     
>
> Re-installing is almost never needed.
>
> Remember, I said that 'steven' can only have ONE password....   I don't know 
> what you have for a passwd now but I assume it is the 37 character one.   But 
> you still should be able to change 'steven' passwd to anything else.
>   
I tried.  I had the same problem I did last installation.  If I could, I 
would like to go back to 'em'  even my 8 unit password is a problem, 
even though I can remember it.  My memory is not so good anymore.  It 
doesn't make any sense that I can remember the passwords I have.  For 
some reason I can.  I can remember my soc sec #.  I can remember my 3 
year old Drivers License #.  It is new memories that escape me.  However 
now that I entered the 37 into the system it will not allow me to go 
back to an easy one that I don't have trouble with.  Nils doesn't think 
I need to format either, but this is where I was the last time I tried 
to solve this problem, and I had to reinstall to solve it. It is so 
embarrassing when I have to openly admit my shortcomings.  My memory 
seems to be selective anymore and memorizing new things is a huge 
labor.  I have been making much progress this past week, because 
something has changed, and I am absorbing more right now.   Do you think 
I would have used a two letter password if it wasn't pretty necessary.  
It is 2 or 8 or 37.  Any 2 will do, but that's it.  Please don't be 
concerned.  I will figure something out.
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 22:37:30 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:37:30 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241716.07766.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241605.53431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B21EF.6040302@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241716.07766.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B2CAA.5050903@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I don't know what to do, Bruce.  I have reread it several times, I can't
>> see what you are saying.  What can ROOT do that SUDO cannot do? 
>>     
>
> Nothing
>
>   
>> My 
>> password made SUDO work. 
>>     
>
>
> Yes it did.   So change 'steven' password to something reasonable and let's 
> just forget about root altogether.    Use SUDO
>
>   
I think sudo is what I have always used.



From d.mcglone at att.net  Mon Nov 24 22:40:50 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:40:50 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu's UnOfficial Patience Of The Year Award
Message-ID: <200811241740.50839.d.mcglone@att.net>

I Nominate Bruce Marshall :-)

-- 
David M.



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Mon Nov 24 22:41:14 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:41:14 +0000
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B21EF.6040302@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B0D7B.2020600@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241605.53431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B21EF.6040302@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492B2D8A.4000306@yahoo.it>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>> My understanding was there is a difference between user and root.  I
>>> have always been referred to steven and user.  I never thought about my
>>> being the only one on my computer so that perhaps my password was root.  
>>>     
>> No, your steven password is NOT the root password.    steven + <steven's 
>> passwd>  allows you to use SUDO to issue commands AS ROOT.
>>
>> You need to grasp this concept before we can procede.
>>   
> I don't know what to do, Bruce.  I have reread it several times, I can't 
> see what you are saying.  What can ROOT do that SUDO cannot do?  My 
> password made SUDO work.  I know that it is me who is in error, it just 
> doesn't seem logical as I know the word Logical.

Your user "steven" can do anything root can do, and the password it 
needs to do that is the 37 char monster. I've just run the following 
test on my Kubuntu virtual machine:

passwd ignazio

and changed the password to testme1 (which was just complex enough for 
passwd not to complain)

then with the same command:

passwd ignazio

I changed it back to what it was before, so it IS possible for you to 
change your supersecure password to a slightly more friendly one. Just 
try one longer than 6 chars with a number in it.

Side effect of this: to use sudo you will not have to type a 37 char 
password any more, after changing it to a shorter one. This should 
simplify the original problem (if I understood it correctly, you want a 
terminal with root privileges because using sudo forced you to use the 
long password and that was a pain).

HTH,
I.





From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 22:45:17 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:45:17 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B2BCF.4010909@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241712.59687.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B2BCF.4010909@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241745.17307.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I tried.  I had the same problem I did last installation.  If I could, I
> would like to go back to 'em'  even my 8 unit password is a problem,
> even though I can remember it.  My memory is not so good anymore.  It
> doesn't make any sense that I can remember the passwords I have.  For
> some reason I can.  I can remember my soc sec #.  I can remember my 3
> year old Drivers License #.  It is new memories that escape me.  However
> now that I entered the 37 into the system it will not allow me to go
> back to an easy one that I don't have trouble with.  Nils doesn't think
> I need to format either, but this is where I was the last time I tried
> to solve this problem, and I had to reinstall to solve it. It is so
> embarrassing when I have to openly admit my shortcomings.  My memory
> seems to be selective anymore and memorizing new things is a huge
> labor.  I have been making much progress this past week, because
> something has changed, and I am absorbing more right now.   Do you think
> I would have used a two letter password if it wasn't pretty necessary.  
> It is 2 or 8 or 37.  Any 2 will do, but that's it.  Please don't be
> concerned.  I will figure something out.

Steven:

I don't know how you got  two passwords to work....   your 37  and 'em'  but 
in my view it is impossible unless you are doing something you're know really 
conveying to us.

What you are trying to do (have two levels of security for the same user 
(steven), is not possible to my knowledge.....

Pick a reasonable password (even 87654321 would work) and live with it.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 22:51:03 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:51:03 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241243.26392.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241056.41032.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492AE435.6010002@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241243.26392.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B2FD7.6030909@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> Just me again.  I just reread this post.  If I take your suggestion, and
>> create the Root Shell, will it adopt my current administrator password,
>> (em).  If I then change my login password to that awful 37 one, will
>> that automatically change my root shell password to that awful one or
>> will it remain, em like I want?  Have you ever run into such a dense
>> head as mine?  Thanks again, friend.
>>     
>
> To do what I suggested, you need (or should) set a root password of your 
> choice.
>
>
> sudo passwd root
> <enter your gawdawful password for sudo>
> <enter new password for root>
> <enter same root password again>
>
> You now have a root password.
>
>
> (I have outlined this procedure befoire)
>
>   
I am so happy, Bruce.  I got the password I wanted in Root.  Will that 
also log me in?
When I need a Root shell, or to get into Adept Package Manager, will it 
work there?
I did not understand this instruction before.  I tried it now just to 
see if it might work.
Thanks.

Cheers! Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Steven    



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 22:53:24 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:53:24 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu's UnOfficial Patience Of The Year Award
In-Reply-To: <200811241740.50839.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811241740.50839.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <492B3064.9030000@sbcglobal.net>

David McGlone wrote:
> I Nominate Bruce Marshall :-)
>
>   
I agree.  He is the greatest.  You guys would never want to be me.  If I 
didn't love the sunshine, I would probably be a mole.  It is not easy 
being me.  I cannot make myself understood.

Cudos,
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 23:02:55 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:02:55 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B2B9C.7080506@gmail.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241510.50949.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B0F27.5050507@sbcglobal.net>	<200811242216.14160.kassube@gmx.net>	<492B292A.9060405@sbcglobal.net>
	<492B2B9C.7080506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492B329F.7060501@sbcglobal.net>

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>> Nils Kassube wrote:
>>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>  
>>>> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>>>>    
>>>>> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>>>      
>>>>>> When I changed my password this morning, I opened SystemSettings>
>>>>>> AboutMe, and changed my password.  I assume that is the root
>>>>>> password.
>>>>>>         
>>>>> NO!!
>>>>>       
>>>> What do I do now.  Can I get into Adept Package Manager?  Can I get
>>>> into my computer if I shut it off?  Can I reverse what happened when I
>>>> tried xhost +?  With help can I get back to 'em' as my password?  
>>>> Or do
>>>> I have to format and reinstall?
>>>>     
>>> Either you have changed your own password or the one for root. If I 
>>> understand it right what you wrote, you now have either the 37 
>>> character password or "em" for root and / or yourself.
>>>   
>> I am feeling pretty hopeless right now, Nils.  I have a 37 password.  
>> It is too difficult for me to re-enter a lot.  I make too many 
>> mistakes with my short finger.  I typed in the following command, a 
>> suggestion from a friend, in case you know what it does:
>>
>> xhost +
>> su
>>
>> It requested my password.  I typed in 'em'/.  That is what I have 
>> always entered in a shell.  It was wrong.  I then tried my 37 
>> password.  I made mistakes because of my short finger.  When I tried 
>> again and then to return to xhost + to try again, the computer did 
>> not allow the process.  I think it locked me out, probably thinking I 
>> was an invader.  I am where I was trying to avoid being.  I kept 
>> trying to explain myself, over and over, but no one answered the 
>> question I needed answered.  I could not make myself understood.  In 
>> the end, I decided to try the suggestion and here I am, exactly where 
>> I did not want to be.  The stress is enormous right now.  I am 
>> building my new computer and it did not fire up properly, so I am in 
>> two way conversation trying to resolve that.
>>> And just loosing the password is no reason to reinstall. Use the 
>>> recovery mode of the grub menu and then you can get a root shell to 
>>> set a new password: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword>
>>>   
>> Will the recovery mode get me back to my 'em' password?  I would give 
>> anything to be back there.  At least until I can make myself 
>> understood about what I need.  I can put in my 37, but it takes 
>> several tries usually.
>>
>> Nills, do you have access to a Hardy KDE3.5.10 OS.  When I reset my 
>> password this morning, I clicked on the Kmenu 
>> Icon>SystemSettings>AboutMe.  In a box on the lower part of the 
>> screen was a button to change passwords.  I clicked on that and put 
>> 'em' in and it gave me the opportunity to change the password.  I 
>> typed 37 in twice and my password changed.  I believe that changed my 
>> login password.  That is what I wanted to do, nonetheless, I did not 
>> want that as my password to enter a Root Shell or Adept Package 
>> Manager or Synaptic Package Manager.  I tried to make that clear in 
>> my many emails. Yet that is exactly where I am.
>>> Nils, I have an 8 unit password I use for banking, Ebay, Kubuntu 
>>> forum, etc., that I also have trouble typing error free.  I have 
>>> them remembered by my computer so I don't have to type them in.
>>>   
>>
>> When I tried to change my password back to 'em' it said it was too 
>> easy and did I really want to do that.  I said I that I wanted to 
>> anyway; it gave me that choice.  Then it rejected my request anyway, 
>> and said it had to be more secure.  Anything I can type and remember 
>> and not have trouble with my short finger is rejected.  Is there a 
>> way to force the computer to do what I want.  I would like to change 
>> back to 'em'.  What I would really like is to have my 37 my login and 
>> a good firewall, and no additional security.  Once in the computer, I 
>> would like to enter steven at Studio25:~#, and be able to just type in 
>> code with no password.  If you remember Feisty.  Like that.
>>
>> Cordially, my friend.
>> steven
>>
>>
>
> by entering systemsettings and entering a new password there, i'll 
> assume you changed your own password, the password you use for login, 
> and for suso.
> typing su, you will be required to supply the root password, whic his 
> by default disabled, as you know, if you have it disabled, no password 
> will work for su, if you did enable root, then you can put the root 
> password here, and you'll get a root shell.
> to test what is your current login password, open a new konsole, type 
> "sudo ls" , you will be asked for a password, type the password you 
> enetered in systemsettings, and see if it works.
Willy,

I have a UNIX password now.  I believe it is a ROOT password.  If I boot 
up my computer and it asks for a password, can I enter the ROOT password 
and get into my computer.  Also Synaptic and Adept Package Manager?

When I entered sudo ls I got this:

Retype new UNIX password:
passwd: password updated successfully
steven at Studio25:~$ sudo ls
Desktop
Documents
e-Sword
image001.jpg
media
<mount point>
Music
My eBooks
MyFriendsAddresses.ldif
PDF
Personal Address Book.ldif
Personal Address Book.vcf.ldif
Pictures
Public
sdb3
sdb5
space_report.txt
Templates
Tim.doc
xorg.conf
steven at Studio25:~$       

 I also made an easier password that was accepted for login, I believe.  
I did it on the page you mentioned in SystemSettings>AboutMe

Bruce is something isn't he.  I know you think I am not going to win 
this competition, but I will.  Although I am not where I really want to 
be with my password.  I am at a place where I can keep going without 
format. 

Thanks,
Willy




From jonorland at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 23:13:58 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:13:58 +0100
Subject: Strange log entry
In-Reply-To: <492B268A.90303@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <492B268A.90303@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811241513t5244addk67a675c7b25be682@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/24 Wulfy <wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk>:
> I keep getting these lines in my logwatch report:
>
>> Nov 23 14:02:23 wulfy-desktop dhclient: DHCPREQUEST of **.**.***.*** on eth0 to 192.168.0.1 port 67
>> Nov 23 14:02:23 wulfy-desktop dhclient: DHCPACK of **.**.***.*** from 192.168.0.1
> The *'s are, of course, numbers and are the same in both lines.  This
> happens every couple of minutes, which generates a lot of e-mails from
> logwatch.  I'm a complete newbie at networking so have no idea even how
> to google intelligently on this subject...  :@(
>
> Can anyone tell me why my eth0 is continually asking for a DHCP? Is this
> normal? Or do I have a problem in the configuration?
>

Nothing strange there, i got 33 DHCPREQUEST in 12 hours on my Intrepid
box. How often is it asking for a new IP for you? If it is very much
you could increase the lease time in your router. I think i have one
week.

/ Jonas



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 23:18:38 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:18:38 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B2D8A.4000306@yahoo.it>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241433.36730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B0D7B.2020600@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241605.53431.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B21EF.6040302@sbcglobal.net>
	<492B2D8A.4000306@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <492B364E.5070902@sbcglobal.net>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>>     
>>> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> My understanding was there is a difference between user and root.  I
>>>> have always been referred to steven and user.  I never thought about my
>>>> being the only one on my computer so that perhaps my password was root.  
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> No, your steven password is NOT the root password.    steven + <steven's 
>>> passwd>  allows you to use SUDO to issue commands AS ROOT.
>>>
>>> You need to grasp this concept before we can procede.
>>>   
>>>       
>> I don't know what to do, Bruce.  I have reread it several times, I can't 
>> see what you are saying.  What can ROOT do that SUDO cannot do?  My 
>> password made SUDO work.  I know that it is me who is in error, it just 
>> doesn't seem logical as I know the word Logical.
>>     
>
> Your user "steven" can do anything root can do, and the password it 
> needs to do that is the 37 char monster. I've just run the following 
> test on my Kubuntu virtual machine:
>
> passwd ignazio
>
> and changed the password to testme1 (which was just complex enough for 
> passwd not to complain)
>
> then with the same command:
>
> passwd ignazio
>
> I changed it back to what it was before, so it IS possible for you to 
> change your supersecure password to a slightly more friendly one. Just 
> try one longer than 6 chars with a number in it.
>
> Side effect of this: to use sudo you will not have to type a 37 char 
> password any more, after changing it to a shorter one. This should 
> simplify the original problem (if I understood it correctly, you want a 
> terminal with root privileges because using sudo forced you to use the 
> long password and that was a pain).
>
> HTH,
> I.
>
>
>
>   
Thanks Ignazio,  I have already done that.  It will be difficult to 
remember for a while, but there is no one here but me, and I wrote in on 
my desk.  It will work until I get my new computer working.  I just have 
to remember I put it there and that I have a new password.  I would like 
to tell everybody the new password, it would make you all laugh, but 
there is a little, very little security with it.  Shouldn't take a 
cracker 60 seconds.

This must have been a nightmare for all who followed it.  But  there is 
something that was critical for me in getting this done, and I still 
haven't been able to be understood.  I have a friend that has a lot of 
patience.  I will try to get him to a point where he understands what I 
need, then I will have him word a post.  I wish my mind would work like 
yours.  You all seem to be on the same page, and I don't even seem to be 
in the same book.  But I will get it.  I have made such progress this 
past week.  I am just thrilled again.

Cudos, Cheers, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Steven

Steven



From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr  Mon Nov 24 19:26:17 2008
From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:26:17 +0100
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
In-Reply-To: <49292FD9.5030009@sbcglobal.net>
References: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net>	<4594384.PmoyBxB3Gi@cedar.serverforest.com>	<4927DAC9.6030608@free.fr>	<49281880.8000904@sbcglobal.net>	<49292665.1040103@free.fr>
	<49292FD9.5030009@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492AFFD9.3000304@wanadoo.fr>



Steven Vollom a écrit :
> Frederic Schaer wrote:
>   
>> Steven Vollom a écrit :
>>   
>>     
>>> Frederic Schaer wrote:
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm coming after the battle, but if smart reports there are bad blocks
>>>> (using the previous given smartctl -a /dev/sdXX command), given the
>>>> price of hard drives and given the price of your own data integrity
>>>> (your data has no price, does it ?), I would directly go buy a new disk...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> NO!  Bad blocks are BAD.  You map them out because they can NEVER be trusted.
>>>>>   
>>>>>     
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>   
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> Dear Derek,
>>>
>>> I feel like a friend with all at the 'List' now, so I will embarrass 
>>> myself a bit.  I am a  retired fine-artist that never made a lot of 
>>> money.  (It is obvious that 'fine' doesn't mean the quality of my work, 
>>> for I have not earned much from the task; it just means that art is what 
>>> I do for a living.)  Consequently, when I had to retire and live on my 
>>> Social Security, (I could never save for old age.) it was an amount that 
>>> most people pay in tips each month.  So I am just too poor to solve a 
>>> problem by purchasing something, unless I am absolutely sure the 
>>> something is really broken.  Knowing that, is not an easy thing, when 
>>> you are as inhibited intellectually as I am.  But even if the 'List' got 
>>> frustrated enough to boot me off, I will not stop trying to learn this 
>>> stuff.  I will still be struggling to learn this system, when I am 
>>> looking up at the roots of grass, with a 'Here Lies' marker at my head.  
>>> I will not give up.  I am not a quitter.
>>>
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm sorry, I did not really mean that the easiest thing to do was buy a
>> new disk : what I meant was that if badblock or smart starts telling you
>> there are several bad blocks (lots of ?), you should really think about
>> buying a new disk because yours is failing, and you will soon loose data :'(
>> I've not seen a drive loosing sectors (blocks) without dying shortly
>> after that
>>
>> I haven't seen the results of previous commands you were asked to run,
>> so could you please try this :
>>
>> sudo apt-get install smartmontools
>> sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb
>>
>> Hopefully this will give you lots of output. If it does, please post the
>> lines that look like this :
>>
>> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036    Pre-fail 
>> Always       -       0
>> ...
>> 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age  
>> Always       -       0
>> 198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age  
>> Offline      -       0
>>
>> And be aware that if the last number (0 for me) is not 0 , your drive
>> already knows about bad blocks and tried to or reallocated some already.
>> If that number is high (more than ... I don't know : 100 ?), you're
>> really going to be in trouble.
>>
>> If the above command (smartctl) doesn't give you any output... errhhh...
>> you might try badblocks on the drive.
>> Be warned however : keep backups of your data (just in case...) !!
>>
>> sudo badblocks -n /dev/sdb
>>
>> This is going to be veeeeerrryyyyyy slow though.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>   
>>     
> This kind of report overwhelms me at my level of understanding.  Could 
> you take a look and give an opinion on the health of the drive?  Please 
> point out serious concerns?
>
>
>
> SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      
> UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
>
>   
(...)

Smart does not seem to report any reallocated block : that's a good sign :]
You can try to run the SMART surface test this way :
sudo smarctl -t offline /dev/sdb

Then , when it's finished after a few hours, you can list the drive
errors this way :
sudo smarctl -l error /dev/sdb

You will have errors given the previous output you gave, but these are
not sectors errors. If you have bad sectors, you will be given the
address of the first sector that failed, and the count that's given by
the -A option will be increased... and you'll know ;)

Regards



From fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr  Mon Nov 24 19:31:13 2008
From: fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr (Fred Schaer)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:31:13 +0100
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <49293970.2060508@web.de>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<49291714.9000901@web.de>	<200811232043.44006.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<49293970.2060508@web.de>
Message-ID: <492B0101.2030005@wanadoo.fr>


Octavian Florea a écrit :
> On 11/23/2008 12:43 PM, Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>   
>> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:40:52 pm Octavian Florea wrote:
>>
>> BTW do you have an opinion on the best way to auto run nvidia-settings? I
>> tried placing it in
>>
>>    /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
>>
>> but that didn't work, so I currently have it in the KDE 4 autostart. I would
>> prefer something more global than that though.
>>
>>    
>>     
> You could try adding a line to crontab with an @reboot string.
> Or maybe place a script in /etc/init.d , but I´m into uncharted 
> territory here :)
>
>   
Hi,

Why not use envyng, which seems to use dkms ?

Regards



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 23:34:47 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:34:47 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B2FD7.6030909@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241243.26392.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B2FD7.6030909@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241834.48084.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I am so happy, Bruce.  I got the password I wanted in Root.  Will that
> also log me in?

NO....  not at the initial boot  login screen.   You are logging in 
as 'steven'  - - - -   so use 'steven' s passwd.


> When I need a Root shell, or to get into Adept Package Manager, will it
> work there?

The root passwd will only work when you are su'ing to a root shell.

When you click on Adept, you are still  STEVEN     use steven's passwd.

Anything you do in KDE, you are 'steven'    Synaptic, adept, change systems 
setting,  everything.    Only su'ing to a root shell  (as root) will require 
root's passwd.

> I did not understand this instruction before.  I tried it now just to
> see if it might work.

<slaps hand to forehead>    why did you not try it before???   I outlined the 
procedure at least twice!



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 23:36:37 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:36:37 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241745.17307.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241712.59687.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B2BCF.4010909@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241745.17307.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B3A85.5040003@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I tried.  I had the same problem I did last installation.  If I could, I
>> would like to go back to 'em'  even my 8 unit password is a problem,
>> even though I can remember it.  My memory is not so good anymore.  It
>> doesn't make any sense that I can remember the passwords I have.  For
>> some reason I can.  I can remember my soc sec #.  I can remember my 3
>> year old Drivers License #.  It is new memories that escape me.  However
>> now that I entered the 37 into the system it will not allow me to go
>> back to an easy one that I don't have trouble with.  Nils doesn't think
>> I need to format either, but this is where I was the last time I tried
>> to solve this problem, and I had to reinstall to solve it. It is so
>> embarrassing when I have to openly admit my shortcomings.  My memory
>> seems to be selective anymore and memorizing new things is a huge
>> labor.  I have been making much progress this past week, because
>> something has changed, and I am absorbing more right now.   Do you think
>> I would have used a two letter password if it wasn't pretty necessary.  
>> It is 2 or 8 or 37.  Any 2 will do, but that's it.  Please don't be
>> concerned.  I will figure something out.
>>     
>
> Steven:
>
> I don't know how you got  two passwords to work....   your 37  and 'em'  but 
> in my view it is impossible unless you are doing something you're know really 
> conveying to us.
>
> What you are trying to do (have two levels of security for the same user 
> (steven), is not possible to my knowledge.....
>
> Pick a reasonable password (even 87654321 would work) and live with it.
>   
There is a name for that one.  It gave the name and refused it.  I 
tried, 1234321.  I tried some typical family name combo's.  I got angry 
at the machine, and wrote something that befitted my temperament, and it 
was accepted.  I really would like to have 'em' back.  She is a sweet 
think I can never forget.  Every time I typed it in I felt good.  I am 
sure you would laugh if I told you my new password.  On one side of my 
life I am considered almost a genius. On the other usually people just 
scratch their head.  It takes a lot for me to get a temper.  I can't get 
to the point of being abused where I can't forgive.  Give me a complex 
project and no guidance you will marvel at the result.  Give me a 
complex project with conditions I can't even get it started.  Release me 
from the conditions and I can finish it with lightning speed.

Lots of people love me for the way I am, later the same people don't 
like me for the selfsame reasons.  I am totally predictable because I 
don't vary.  I would die before I would break my word.  Same rather than 
be 5 minutes late.  It doesn't happen often, but when I am unable to 
meet the fullness of a commitment, I am usually the only one punishing 
me.  I still think you guys like me even though you had to get 
exasperated with this last project.  I think it is the only challenge 
that did not get the desired result.  And if I find that what I want to 
do can not do it, I will still do it.

Have you ever seen a wolverine attach itself to something.  You might as 
well kill it and you will still have to dismember it to get its jaws to 
release.  That is me, when I want something.  I will pay any price, 
suffer any sacrifice.  Shoot it has taken me most of 15 years to get 
where I am in computers, and I am breaking through right now, even I 
suspect now that it is impossible.  I don't want you to give up on me; 
you have provided me with years of joy in a few days.  I would hate to 
lose that.

Cudos, Cheers, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,  Friend,
Steven




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 23:40:29 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:40:29 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B329F.7060501@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <492B2B9C.7080506@gmail.com>
	<492B329F.7060501@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241840.29468.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I have a UNIX password now.  I believe it is a ROOT password.  If I boot
> up my computer and it asks for a password, can I enter the ROOT password
> and get into my computer.  Also Synaptic and Adept Package Manager?

Answered both of these questions....     No  and No



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 23:44:27 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:44:27 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241745.17307.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241712.59687.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B2BCF.4010909@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241745.17307.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B3C5B.4040703@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I tried.  I had the same problem I did last installation.  If I could, I
>> would like to go back to 'em'  even my 8 unit password is a problem,
>> even though I can remember it.  My memory is not so good anymore.  It
>> doesn't make any sense that I can remember the passwords I have.  For
>> some reason I can.  I can remember my soc sec #.  I can remember my 3
>> year old Drivers License #.  It is new memories that escape me.  However
>> now that I entered the 37 into the system it will not allow me to go
>> back to an easy one that I don't have trouble with.  Nils doesn't think
>> I need to format either, but this is where I was the last time I tried
>> to solve this problem, and I had to reinstall to solve it. It is so
>> embarrassing when I have to openly admit my shortcomings.  My memory
>> seems to be selective anymore and memorizing new things is a huge
>> labor.  I have been making much progress this past week, because
>> something has changed, and I am absorbing more right now.   Do you think
>> I would have used a two letter password if it wasn't pretty necessary.  
>> It is 2 or 8 or 37.  Any 2 will do, but that's it.  Please don't be
>> concerned.  I will figure something out.
>>     
>
> Steven:
>
> I don't know how you got  two passwords to work....   your 37  and 'em'  but 
> in my view it is impossible unless you are doing something you're know really 
> conveying to us.
>   
They were not in my machine at the same time.  To get em accepted, just 
make a fresh install.  When they ask for a password, type in em.  It 
will recommend change and ask you if you really want to.  You say yes 
and your are finished.  I love that password.  My little 
Emmalammadingdong, Emmalie, Emma, Em  my most precious youngest grandbaby.

As far as the 37, it resisted and told me many machines wouldn't accept 
it, I insisted, and it took.  I really think this is stupid.  My new 
password would make anyone with a sense of humor laugh.  Something that 
easy cannot be much safer than em.

Now I have a root password and don't really know where or how I can use 
it.  If my user password will enter the machine at boot, if I type Root 
for user and my root password, will it work to open the machine?  Never 
felt I needed to be protected, and now I am in the middle of paranoia to 
the extreme.  Go figure.  Bruce I still love you.  Don't give up on me.  
You probably can see I am happy again.

Cudos, Cheers! Ciao Bello, and Cordially, with Mucho Smoochos to MaMa,

Steven
> What you are trying to do (have two levels of security for the same user 
> (steven), is not possible to my knowledge.....
>
> Pick a reasonable password (even 87654321 would work) and live with it.
>
>   




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Mon Nov 24 23:51:58 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:51:58 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B3C5B.4040703@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241745.17307.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B3C5B.4040703@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241851.58692.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> Now I have a root password and don't really know where or how I can use
> it. 

System   --->   konsole - terminal program --->   xhost +  --->   su  --->  
<enter root password>


> If my user password will enter the machine at boot, if I type Root 
> for user and my root password, will it work to open the machine?

Don't think you want to do that....   but you can try it.




From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 23:59:32 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:59:32 +0000
Subject: Strange log entry
In-Reply-To: <492B268A.90303@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <492B268A.90303@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ceb75a570811241559k4617427avc0ed3821e17dafd1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wulfmann

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Wulfy <wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> Nov 23 14:02:23 wulfy-desktop dhclient: DHCPREQUEST of **.**.***.*** on eth0 to 192.168.0.1 port 67
>> Nov 23 14:02:23 wulfy-desktop dhclient: DHCPACK of **.**.***.*** from 192.168.0.1
> The *'s are, of course, numbers and are the same in both lines.  This
> happens every couple of minutes, which generates a lot of e-mails from
> logwatch.  I'm a complete newbie at networking so have no idea even how
> to google intelligently on this subject...  :@(
>
> Can anyone tell me why my eth0 is continually asking for a DHCP? Is this
> normal? Or do I have a problem in the configuration?

When your PC is using DHCP, the IP address given to it is "leased" to
the machine for a finite period. This is usually a short period of
time. The client and server will continue using the same IP address
during the period of the lease. When the lease expires, the client
will request the IP address from the DHCP server. The DHCP server can
handle a different IP address or continue handing the IP address that
used to be leased to the client.

There is nothing wrong in this. It's all running the way it's supposed to.

In most cases the lease period is quite short, even down to a couple
of minutes. This is OK too. As long as there are plenty of unused IP
addresses, your IP address won't change. Even if it changes, this is
OK too, everything will happen completely transparent to you.

Now, in your router configuration, this might be changed - if you have
a ADSL-router it might not have this option. If you have a DHCP server
which is not on your router, this option can be changed. If you don't
know anything about network, ask your friendly network administrator.
Leases can be granted for individual PCs for longer periods - if
necessary.

There you go. Nothing to worry about. :-)

If you don't like this at all, you are free to assign a static IP
address to your laptop. You can also reserve the IP address on the
ADSL-router, this is possible for almost all routers.

Just a little warning. If you go for the static IP and NOT tell your
router about it, the router can lease that IP address to an other PC
and you will have endless networking issues. :)

-- 
Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 25 00:05:02 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:05:02 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B3C5B.4040703@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241745.17307.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B3C5B.4040703@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241905.02636.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>  if I type Root
> for user and my root password, will it work to open the machine?

I just tried this.....   "root logins are not allowed"

And that's a  Good Thang  <tm>



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 25 00:18:39 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:18:39 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241834.48084.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241243.26392.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B2FD7.6030909@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241834.48084.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B445F.6020401@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I am so happy, Bruce.  I got the password I wanted in Root.  Will that
>> also log me in?
>>     
>
> NO....  not at the initial boot  login screen.   You are logging in 
> as 'steven'  - - - -   so use 'steven' s passwd.
>
>
>   
>> When I need a Root shell, or to get into Adept Package Manager, will it
>> work there?
>>     
>
> The root passwd will only work when you are su'ing to a root shell.
>
> When you click on Adept, you are still  STEVEN     use steven's passwd.
>
> Anything you do in KDE, you are 'steven'    Synaptic, adept, change systems 
> setting,  everything.    Only su'ing to a root shell  (as root) will require 
> root's passwd.
>
>   
>> I did not understand this instruction before.  I tried it now just to
>> see if it might work.
>>     
>
> <slaps hand to forehead>    why did you not try it before???   I outlined the 
> procedure at least twice!
>
>   
Because I got scared.  What happened during this post happens a lot.  I 
was afraid I did not understand and would screw up.  Also, I am still 
not sure that that is the option I really want.  I am not going to try 
with you on this issue anymore; I hate the stress I put on you.  I 
didn't realize it until it was too late. 

I still haven't been able to make myself understood though.  That is 
very frustrating.  But I still want to solve the problem, so my new 
computer will work the way I want it to.  I sacrificed everything for 
more than a year and purchased components for my dream computer. 

It is probably out of date by now, because my first successful bids took 
place a year ago.  I bought 6 sticks of ECC Axiom DDR2 667mhz 2gb ea 
when they were still selling for $798 each for $100.  My new computer 
has 4 of them with 2 in reserve. 

I bought an AMD 9600 processor for $130 including shipping when they 
sold for over $400.  Now they are worth about what I paid for it, Quad 
Core.  I purchased an ASUS Mempipe AM2+ board for $170.  It still is 
about $100 under retail. 

I purchased 1TB Maxtor Sata drive for $80 when they were $498.  I 
purchased a BFG 800W Power Supply for $69 and it costs $275.  I haven't 
checked it lately, But when I purchased it was marked down to $199 then 
$109 for one day only and I purchased it that day on NewEgg.  Then I 
found a $40 rebate for it.

I got anxious at the end and was willing to pay retail for the case.  It 
has washable filter system and two 3 speed fans.  It retailed for $210.  
I got lucky on Ebay two weeks ago and purchased it for $53.  I got a 
$300 22" monitor for $170 including shipping.  I am using it now.  It is 
wonderful.  Sure beats my 17" crt that it replaced.  In all I paid 9% of 
its parts price.  I am solving the BIOS or boot or whatever problem 
right now.    That is why I didn't want to lose contact with the world 
right now.  So not having to format is pretty great.

The onboard Video is nVidia 8xxx, the onboard sound is 8.1.  The 
computer is fully assembled and won't boot to the BIOS yet.  It has to 
be a part problem, because I was as careful as a human can be.

I do not and never will play video games, but I have an artists dream 
for number crunching.  I hope I live to use it.

In my whole life I have never had anything so nice; hand-me-down computers,

My anxiety is extreme.  I am waiting for ASUS and AMD to provide some 
answers, because it may be there where the problem is.  I am as anxious 
as a child at Christmas time.

Life is Greeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttt,

Cudos, Cheers! Caio Bello, and Cordially and Mucho Smoochoos to Mamasita

Steven



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 25 00:19:02 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:19:02 -0500
Subject: The last word on Passwords
Message-ID: <200811241919.02594.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>


Steven:

Here are the rules you are operating under:

1)  Your normal user is 'steven'  and for that user you have a password.
2) You use 'steven' to login to the KDE environment.
3) As such, you are a normal (unprivileged) user except when using SUDO.
4) Everything you do in KDE (with a few exceptions) you do as an unpriv user.
5) For those commands you might want to use (adept, synaptic, some system 
settings), those commands will issue a sudo for you and ask for your 'steven' 
password.  They then execute those commands as if root had issued them.

All of the above is the way most people use the kubuntu system.  They stay as 
their unpriviledged user, and provide their user passwd when some system 
command needs to be issued.   Comprendez?

For all of the above, there is only ONE password, the same password you used 
to login to KDE....  and that is the password for 'steven'.

And I just had a 'light bulb moment'.

And you are NOT going to be able to do what you want.

I was trying to steer you to a root shell in a konsole window.  If you had 
attained that (and you are almost there), you would NOT be able to do what 
you want because all of the commands would have to be entered at what we call 
the CLI level (command line interface)

Thus to enter 'system settings', you would have to enter 'systemsettings' and 
know enough to do that (different than what you think).   And to change KDE 
settings, you would have to enter  'kcontrol'  and know to do that.  This is 
not what you want.

So,  use a reasonable password,   use 'sudo', and live a happy life.   You 
CANNOT be root while at the KDE level.

But having said that, you're best bet is to go waaay back to this morning (if 
I recall) and make the changes that will  allow you to enter your password 
once every xx hours...    or only once.   That's what you really want.

So if you had set that to 8 hours... for example, you could click on adept all 
you want for up to 8 hours and not have to re-enter your password.  If it can 
be set to infinity, so much the better.

As far as I know, that comes closest to what you are trying to get to.


Over and out.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 25 00:23:21 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:23:21 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811241851.58692.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241745.17307.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B3C5B.4040703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241851.58692.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B4579.8030903@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Now I have a root password and don't really know where or how I can use
>> it. 
>>     
>
> System   --->   konsole - terminal program --->   xhost +  --->   su  --->  
> <enter root password>
>
>
>   
>> If my user password will enter the machine at boot, if I type Root 
>> for user and my root password, will it work to open the machine?
>>     
>
> Don't think you want to do that....   but you can try it.
>
>
>   
steven at Studio25:~$ xhost +
access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
steven at Studio25:~$ sudo xhost+
[sudo] password for steven:
sudo: xhost+: command not found
steven at Studio25:~$




From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Tue Nov 25 00:37:21 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:37:21 +0000
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B4579.8030903@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241745.17307.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B3C5B.4040703@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241851.58692.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B4579.8030903@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492B48C1.8080904@yahoo.it>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>> Now I have a root password and don't really know where or how I can use
>>> it. 
>>>     
>> System   --->   konsole - terminal program --->   xhost +  --->   su  --->  
>> <enter root password>
>>
>>
>>   
>>> If my user password will enter the machine at boot, if I type Root 
>>> for user and my root password, will it work to open the machine?
>>>     
>> Don't think you want to do that....   but you can try it.
>>
>>
>>   
> steven at Studio25:~$ xhost +
> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host

Only one call to xhost, sfter that call su, not sudo xhost.
I.

> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo xhost+
> [sudo] password for steven:
> sudo: xhost+: command not found
> steven at Studio25:~$
> 
> 




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 25 00:37:47 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:37:47 -0500
Subject: The last word on Passwords
In-Reply-To: <200811241919.02594.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811241919.02594.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492B48DB.6090104@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> Steven:
>
> Here are the rules you are operating under:
>
> 1)  Your normal user is 'steven'  and for that user you have a password.
> 2) You use 'steven' to login to the KDE environment.
> 3) As such, you are a normal (unprivileged) user except when using SUDO.
> 4) Everything you do in KDE (with a few exceptions) you do as an unpriv user.
> 5) For those commands you might want to use (adept, synaptic, some system 
> settings), those commands will issue a sudo for you and ask for your 'steven' 
> password.  They then execute those commands as if root had issued them.
>
> All of the above is the way most people use the kubuntu system.  They stay as 
> their unpriviledged user, and provide their user passwd when some system 
> command needs to be issued.   Comprendez?
>
> For all of the above, there is only ONE password, the same password you used 
> to login to KDE....  and that is the password for 'steven'.
>
> And I just had a 'light bulb moment'.
>
> And you are NOT going to be able to do what you want.
>
> I was trying to steer you to a root shell in a konsole window.  If you had 
> attained that (and you are almost there), you would NOT be able to do what 
> you want because all of the commands would have to be entered at what we call 
> the CLI level (command line interface)
>
> Thus to enter 'system settings', you would have to enter 'systemsettings' and 
> know enough to do that (different than what you think).   And to change KDE 
> settings, you would have to enter  'kcontrol'  and know to do that.  This is 
> not what you want.
>
> So,  use a reasonable password,   use 'sudo', and live a happy life.   You 
> CANNOT be root while at the KDE level.
>
> But having said that, you're best bet is to go waaay back to this morning (if 
> I recall) and make the changes that will  allow you to enter your password 
> once every xx hours...    or only once.   That's what you really want.
>
> So if you had set that to 8 hours... for example, you could click on adept all 
> you want for up to 8 hours and not have to re-enter your password.  If it can 
> be set to infinity, so much the better.
>
> As far as I know, that comes closest to what you are trying to get to.
>
>
> Over and out.
>
>   
You're not angry anymore$^%##@$%

Dear Bruce,

I hope we are OK.  I kind of wish I could use the program in Feisty that 
gave me what I want.  Is there a way to extract that package from an old 
Feisty CD and make it work in a more current OS?  That was best for me.  
It was pretty too, and that is good for an artist.  It had a beige 
background; I not sure the color of the print.  But it sure was a 
GODsend for someone with a missing digit.  Every time I look up, I see 
another email.  I am not confident this is the last one, but you have 
been put through enough. 

I really can't complain anyway, because it didn't even cost me 8% of 
retail.  The Kubuntu people are incredible.  They put out the most 
fantastic Operating System Free and still get criticism.  Go figure.  
Well, I don't want to do anything that can't be done, but I want to do 
everything that can be done.  If your wife is mad at me for causing you 
this stress, ask her forgiveness, I am pretty ashamed of myself.  Good 
night my friend, we must be near the same time.  It is dark here.  Enjoy 
the fireside cuddles, and I will talk to you again, when you are willing.

Steven



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Tue Nov 25 00:40:26 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:40:26 +0000
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B445F.6020401@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241243.26392.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B2FD7.6030909@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241834.48084.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B445F.6020401@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492B497A.4020809@yahoo.it>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Bruce Marshall wrote:   
>> <slaps hand to forehead>    why did you not try it before???   I outlined the 
>> procedure at least twice!
>>
>>   
> Because I got scared.  What happened during this post happens a lot.  I 
> was afraid I did not understand and would screw up.  Also, I am still 
> not sure that that is the option I really want.


To avoid getting scared and to avoid screwing up the system, you may try
using VirtualBox (or another virtual machine package) to create a
virtual computer, in which to install Kubuntu and try all possible
variations and tricks. The virtual computer uses a file on your hard
drive as simulated hard disk, so you keep a backup copy of it and if you
mess up the virtual system, you just copy the backup in place of the
messed up system, without any risk for your real system. I've been doing
this to run Kubuntu, Ubuntu and Windows on my Mac, and it works just
great. Others on this list do the same to try out new versions, and I
think it's a great way to learn without spending days reinstalling the
system when you get growing pains.
HTH,
I.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 25 00:42:27 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:42:27 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B48C1.8080904@yahoo.it>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241745.17307.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B3C5B.4040703@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241851.58692.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B4579.8030903@sbcglobal.net>
	<492B48C1.8080904@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <492B49F3.7030601@sbcglobal.net>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>>     
>>> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Now I have a root password and don't really know where or how I can use
>>>> it. 
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> System   --->   konsole - terminal program --->   xhost +  --->   su  --->  
>>> <enter root password>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> If my user password will enter the machine at boot, if I type Root 
>>>> for user and my root password, will it work to open the machine?
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Don't think you want to do that....   but you can try it.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> steven at Studio25:~$ xhost +
>> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
>>     
>
> Only one call to xhost, sfter that call su, not sudo xhost.
> I.
>
>   
>> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo xhost+
>> [sudo] password for steven:
>> sudo: xhost+: command not found
>> steven at Studio25:~$
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
>   
I am totally out of my comfort zone here.  I don't understand anything 
about what is happening.  I am drowning.

Cudos,
Steven



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 00:54:03 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:54:03 +1000
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
Message-ID: <492b4cab.1c9b.b6cf5b90.232a5716@blackpaw.dyndns.org>

--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
From: Fred Schaer <fred.schaer at wanadoo.fr>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 24/11/2008 11:36 PM

>Why not use envyng, which seems to use dkms ? 

Because it doesn't support the 180.x beta drivers. Or custom nvidia settings.
 
--
Lindsay Mathieson
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 25 00:55:13 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:55:13 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <ggehh5$gub$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcfug$2lq$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929CBBC.2080005@sbcglobal.net>	<ggcjp8$e17$1@ger.gmane.org>	<4929F079.5030506@sbcglobal.net>	<ggctns$74u$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492A037F.1070308@sbcglobal.net>	<ggdviq$i52$1@ger.gmane.org>	<492ABD83.4090805@sbcglobal.net>
	<ggehh5$gub$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <492B4CF1.2020703@sbcglobal.net>

Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>
>   
>>> ciao bello
>>>
>>> Eberhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> First, how does Bello translate?  
>>     
>
> The italians quite often say "ciao bella", meaning goodbye gorgeous 
> girl. bello is the male form of bella.
>
> Then, I wish I had a brain.  I still
>   
>> am not sure what I am instructed.
>>
>> You understand that I want security.  Do you understand that the only 
>> reason I don't want to have to type my password for a Root terminal is 
>> because of my physical deformity, a shorter finger that causes errors?
>>     
>
> sure I understand. Then, why on earth do you want to type a password at all?
>
> open a terminal and then "sudo -i" does it all for you.
>   
>> I want it difficult for someone to break into my machine, but I don't 
>> want so much security once in, when I am protected by the entry.
>>     
>
> Very good. Then simply change your user password to something more 
> secure which you remember and you are done.
>   
>> And still, I don't want it so easy to enter Root, because of my 
>> inexperience and stupidity which can cause me to error.  My choice for 
>> solution being to have two choices, when I need to use a terminal.  *One 
>> choice, Shell.... One choice, Root Shell, without the requirement to 
>> type in a password*.  That way I will know to be super careful when in 
>> Root, because one will be configured with white print over a black 
>> background and one the reverse coloring; it will be obvious if I open 
>> the wrong Shell.
>>     
>
> KDE 3.x should have anything that you need for this.
>
>   
>> Back in Feisty, I seem to recall that the Root Shell that was provided 
>> on the Kmenu was black print over a cream colored background.  That 
>> distinction alerted you to the fact that you were on a Root Shell.
>>     
>
> In 3.x, it is still like this.
>   
>> If you read this email and believe this is possible, please just say it 
>> will work.  All who have explained it have left out response to that 
>> critical part.
>>     
>
> It's left to you to deduct this from what I and others wrote. After all 
> it is you who decides.
>
>   
>> Once I change my Login password, Kubuntu or KDE will not me change back 
>> to an insecure password, so the only way I can get back to 'em' as a 
>> password is to reinstall the OS; that is if when I make the changes it 
>> isn't the way I have described.  
>>     
>
> ???? Imho this is rubbish. YOU are the one in charge and you decide 
> which password you use.
>
>
> I don't want to do that.  But I would
>   
>> rather have no security at all than have to type in the difficult 
>> password every time I want to enter Root.
>>     
>
> Sure. You just enter it once. Exactly when you login as steven, once a 
> day, any day.
>
>   
>> Please forgive me for having such trouble understanding and explaining.  
>> This will be my attempt to try to explain the part I am confused about.  
>> After this I will just leave things the way they are.
>>     
>
> Hm, this is not a bad idea, However when you change your "steven" 
> password to something more secure, you will not do any harm and you will 
> earn a lot of additional security.
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>
>
>
>   
Eberhard,

I think I am misusing the term root.  I have been using sudo since I 
started using Kubuntu.  I have not had help until now.  Somehow I got it 
into my head that sudo and root are the same.  I still do not know the 
difference.  I now have a password that I can type without mistakes, 
very often at least.  I hate to discard my 37 digit password, because it 
probably is the most impressive thing I can remember in my old age, but 
it isn't practical with Dragon Naturally Speaking.  It is a voice 
program I used to use when using an XP OS.  Did not need my fingers.  I 
could type 170 WPM with it too.  It is the only thing I miss from Windows.

During the Password discussion, I found many mistakes in my thinking.  I 
am surprised I could operate a computer at all.

I found that I will not be able to do what I want to do.  Do you 
remember Feisty?  In Feisty, on one of Kmenu choices was the ability to 
open a Root Shell.  I may not be using the correct words, but when the 
shell opened, it was in this position at opening:  steven at Studio25~#.  
All I had to do was cut and paste an instruction and I got the desired 
result.  I sure would like that very same shell back.  It made life a 
lot easier.

Well, it's been another fun day.  I hope for you as well.

Cordially,
Steven



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 25 00:56:06 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:56:06 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B4579.8030903@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241851.58692.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B4579.8030903@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241956.06921.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> steven at Studio25:~$ xhost +
> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host

The above executed correctly.

Why did you bother to do what is below?

> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo xhost+
> [sudo] password for steven:
> sudo: xhost+: command not found
> steven at Studio25:~$





From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 25 00:58:45 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:58:45 -0500
Subject: The last word on Passwords
In-Reply-To: <492B48DB.6090104@sbcglobal.net>
References: <200811241919.02594.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B48DB.6090104@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811241958.45427.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I hope we are OK.

We are as long as they send me the Ferrari that is the prize for "most 
patience of the year" award.  :-)


> I kind of wish I could use the program in Feisty that 
> gave me what I want. 

Have no idea what program that might be.

> Is there a way to extract that package from an old 
> Feisty CD and make it work in a more current OS? 

??

> That was best for me.   
> It was pretty too, and that is good for an artist.  It had a beige
> background; I not sure the color of the print.  But it sure was a
> GODsend for someone with a missing digit.  Every time I look up, I see
> another email.  I am not confident this is the last one, but you have
> been put through enough.
>

Must have been a nice program.   I've never known of it.  What did it do?





From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 25 01:00:57 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:00:57 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B497A.4020809@yahoo.it>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241243.26392.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B2FD7.6030909@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241834.48084.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B445F.6020401@sbcglobal.net>
	<492B497A.4020809@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <492B4E49.6080606@sbcglobal.net>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Bruce Marshall wrote:   
>>     
>>> <slaps hand to forehead>    why did you not try it before???   I outlined the 
>>> procedure at least twice!
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Because I got scared.  What happened during this post happens a lot.  I 
>> was afraid I did not understand and would screw up.  Also, I am still 
>> not sure that that is the option I really want.
>>     
>
>
> To avoid getting scared and to avoid screwing up the system, you may try
> using VirtualBox (or another virtual machine package) to create a
> virtual computer, in which to install Kubuntu and try all possible
> variations and tricks. The virtual computer uses a file on your hard
> drive as simulated hard disk, so you keep a backup copy of it and if you
> mess up the virtual system, you just copy the backup in place of the
> messed up system, without any risk for your real system. I've been doing
> this to run Kubuntu, Ubuntu and Windows on my Mac, and it works just
> great. Others on this list do the same to try out new versions, and I
> think it's a great way to learn without spending days reinstalling the
> system when you get growing pains.
> HTH,
> I.
>
>
>   
Will you recommend one that you like?  What is the learning curve to get 
it running?
 Does it behave like the regular OS?  I am changing to 64bit and would 
like to try Intrepid.

Evening Cudos,
Steven



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 25 01:01:04 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:01:04 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B49F3.7030601@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <492B48C1.8080904@yahoo.it>
	<492B49F3.7030601@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811242001.04491.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I am totally out of my comfort zone here.  I don't understand anything
> about what is happening.  I am drowning.

I hope you saved my last email   "The last word on Passwords" because I think 
that is the answer to your happiness.

Forget  xhost   and 'su'  and all that stuff.   What you want, can't be done.



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Tue Nov 25 01:13:27 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:13:27 +0000
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B4E49.6080606@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241243.26392.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B2FD7.6030909@sbcglobal.net>	<200811241834.48084.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<492B445F.6020401@sbcglobal.net>	<492B497A.4020809@yahoo.it>
	<492B4E49.6080606@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492B5137.5000109@yahoo.it>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>> Bruce Marshall wrote:   
>>>     
>>>> <slaps hand to forehead>    why did you not try it before???   I outlined the 
>>>> procedure at least twice!
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>> Because I got scared.  What happened during this post happens a lot.  I 
>>> was afraid I did not understand and would screw up.  Also, I am still 
>>> not sure that that is the option I really want.
>>>     
>>
>> To avoid getting scared and to avoid screwing up the system, you may try
>> using VirtualBox (or another virtual machine package) to create a
>> virtual computer, in which to install Kubuntu and try all possible
>> variations and tricks. The virtual computer uses a file on your hard
>> drive as simulated hard disk, so you keep a backup copy of it and if you
>> mess up the virtual system, you just copy the backup in place of the
>> messed up system, without any risk for your real system. I've been doing
>> this to run Kubuntu, Ubuntu and Windows on my Mac, and it works just
>> great. Others on this list do the same to try out new versions, and I
>> think it's a great way to learn without spending days reinstalling the
>> system when you get growing pains.
>> HTH,
>> I.
>>
>>
>>   
> Will you recommend one that you like?  What is the learning curve to get 
> it running?

I use VirtualBox on a Mac; getting started was quite simple, no special 
tricks to be learned. VirtualBox OSE version is available in the 
repositories, so should be easy to install.

>  Does it behave like the regular OS?  I am changing to 64bit and would 
> like to try Intrepid.

Pretty much like the regular OS. As far as I can see, it cannot emulate 
a 64 bit processor, so you would not be able to try Intrepid 64, but you 
can try Intrepid 32 bit in order to get familiar with the new KDE. I 
hear the 64 bit version is not much different to set up.
I.

> 
> Evening Cudos,
> Steven
> 




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 25 01:14:02 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:14:02 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B4CF1.2020703@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <ggehh5$gub$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<492B4CF1.2020703@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811242014.02652.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I think I am misusing the term root.  I have been using sudo since I
> started using Kubuntu.  I have not had help until now.  Somehow I got it
> into my head that sudo and root are the same. 

In a sense they are......   using sudo allows you to issue commands AS THOUGH 
you are root.


>  I hate to discard my 37 digit password, because it
> probably is the most impressive thing I can remember in my old age, but
> it isn't practical with Dragon Naturally Speaking. 

Not very practical in any case  IMHO.


> During the Password discussion, I found many mistakes in my thinking.  I
> am surprised I could operate a computer at all.
>

No comment..   :-)



> I found that I will not be able to do what I want to do.  Do you
> remember Feisty?  In Feisty, on one of Kmenu choices was the ability to
> open a Root Shell.  I may not be using the correct words, but when the
> shell opened, it was in this position at opening:  steven at Studio25~#.  

This is not a root shell.   It is a shell with  'steven' privileges.....  I 
would guess that cutting and pasting  'adept_manager'  would not have worked.

You should be able to accomplish the same thing with  'sudo -i'   but I have 
no idea whether that is what you want.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Tue Nov 25 01:16:34 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:16:34 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B5137.5000109@yahoo.it>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <492B4E49.6080606@sbcglobal.net>
	<492B5137.5000109@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <200811242016.34842.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008, Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> > Will you recommend one that you like?  What is the learning curve to get
> > it running?
>
> I use VirtualBox on a Mac; getting started was quite simple, no special
> tricks to be learned. VirtualBox OSE version is available in the
> repositories, so should be easy to install.

And Marshall passes the ball to Ignazio.....     :-)



From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org  Tue Nov 25 01:22:13 2008
From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:22:13 -0800
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6046253.ZHaWLtMLT1@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811241722.13286.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>

On Tuesday 18 November 2008 12:26:39 pm nepal google wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> > Kcontrol _has_ been removed (for the life of me, I can't
> > see why he thinks he could do anything in it he can't do
> > in System Settings, but he _is_ right that it's gone.
> >  Perhaps he's just a little slower than me in realizing
> > that much of what you saw in kcontrol is now in the
> > "Advanced" tab of System Settings (it certainly took _me_
> > long enough to catch on).
>
> I'm just in the process of setting up 8.04 and one thing I
> really never liked is KWallet. I looked at all the options
> of System Settings and could not find where to turn it off.
> So I ran KControl and knew immediately where to go to turn
> this off. This is the kind of thing that p****es off users
> like me having to waste time trying to find out where
> something has been moved to.

I agree Kwallet is really a bad pain but unlike some other distros, Kubuntu 
allows you to completely remove including the config files, just Kwallet!  I 
looked for a couple of days but couldn't find any place to turn it off so I 
going to try to remove it and put back all the other files it took away 
individually afterwords but It worked fine to remove it completely!  I didn't 
have to downgrade to Gnome!!  IF that program is made a mandatory part of 
KDE, KDE and I will part company.  As it is I am staying with 8.04 till 
either KDE4 gets repaired or until Gnome gets good enough to use.  Part of 
the reason for Linux is that it can be configured to work the way YOU want it 
to work.  If you take away that ability, one may just as well use windoze.  


-- 
73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n><   PDGA# 35276
http://the-inner-circle.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr



From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Nov 25 01:30:51 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:30:51 +0000
Subject: Strange log entry
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811241513t5244addk67a675c7b25be682@mail.gmail.com>
References: <492B268A.90303@tiscali.co.uk>
	<b8d784880811241513t5244addk67a675c7b25be682@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492B554B.8070603@tiscali.co.uk>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/24 Wulfy <wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk>:
>   
>> I keep getting these lines in my logwatch report:
>>
>>     
>>> Nov 23 14:02:23 wulfy-desktop dhclient: DHCPREQUEST of **.**.***.*** on eth0 to 192.168.0.1 port 67
>>> Nov 23 14:02:23 wulfy-desktop dhclient: DHCPACK of **.**.***.*** from 192.168.0.1
>>>       
>> The *'s are, of course, numbers and are the same in both lines.  This
>> happens every couple of minutes, which generates a lot of e-mails from
>> logwatch.  I'm a complete newbie at networking so have no idea even how
>> to google intelligently on this subject...  :@(
>>
>> Can anyone tell me why my eth0 is continually asking for a DHCP? Is this
>> normal? Or do I have a problem in the configuration?
>>
>>     
>
> Nothing strange there, i got 33 DHCPREQUEST in 12 hours on my Intrepid
> box. How often is it asking for a new IP for you? If it is very much
> you could increase the lease time in your router. I think i have one
> week.
>
> / Jonas
>
>   
Thanks, Jonas!

I have an ADSL modem not a router... but if it's not really a problem, 
I'll ignore it.

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Nov 25 01:31:19 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:31:19 +0000
Subject: Strange log entry
In-Reply-To: <ceb75a570811241559k4617427avc0ed3821e17dafd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <492B268A.90303@tiscali.co.uk>
	<ceb75a570811241559k4617427avc0ed3821e17dafd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492B5567.5040300@tiscali.co.uk>

Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> Hi Wulfmann
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Wulfy <wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>   
>>> Nov 23 14:02:23 wulfy-desktop dhclient: DHCPREQUEST of **.**.***.*** on eth0 to 192.168.0.1 port 67
>>> Nov 23 14:02:23 wulfy-desktop dhclient: DHCPACK of **.**.***.*** from 192.168.0.1
>>>       
>> The *'s are, of course, numbers and are the same in both lines.  This
>> happens every couple of minutes, which generates a lot of e-mails from
>> logwatch.  I'm a complete newbie at networking so have no idea even how
>> to google intelligently on this subject...  :@(
>>
>> Can anyone tell me why my eth0 is continually asking for a DHCP? Is this
>> normal? Or do I have a problem in the configuration?
>>     
>
> When your PC is using DHCP, the IP address given to it is "leased" to
> the machine for a finite period. This is usually a short period of
> time. The client and server will continue using the same IP address
> during the period of the lease. When the lease expires, the client
> will request the IP address from the DHCP server. The DHCP server can
> handle a different IP address or continue handing the IP address that
> used to be leased to the client.
>
> There is nothing wrong in this. It's all running the way it's supposed to.
>
> In most cases the lease period is quite short, even down to a couple
> of minutes. This is OK too. As long as there are plenty of unused IP
> addresses, your IP address won't change. Even if it changes, this is
> OK too, everything will happen completely transparent to you.
>
> Now, in your router configuration, this might be changed - if you have
> a ADSL-router it might not have this option. If you have a DHCP server
> which is not on your router, this option can be changed. If you don't
> know anything about network, ask your friendly network administrator.
> Leases can be granted for individual PCs for longer periods - if
> necessary.
>
> There you go. Nothing to worry about. :-)
>
> If you don't like this at all, you are free to assign a static IP
> address to your laptop. You can also reserve the IP address on the
> ADSL-router, this is possible for almost all routers.
>
> Just a little warning. If you go for the static IP and NOT tell your
> router about it, the router can lease that IP address to an other PC
> and you will have endless networking issues. :)
>
>   
Thanks, Hakan!

-- 
Blessings

Wulfmann

Wulf Credo:
Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack.
Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz




From d.mcglone at att.net  Tue Nov 25 01:31:15 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:31:15 -0500
Subject: The last word on Passwords
In-Reply-To: <200811241958.45427.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811241919.02594.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492B48DB.6090104@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811241958.45427.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <200811242031.15717.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Monday 24 November 2008 7:58:45 pm Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> > I hope we are OK.
>
> We are as long as they send me the Ferrari that is the prize for "most
> patience of the year" award.  :-)

Hope you like Matchbox :-)


-- 
David M.



From d.mcglone at att.net  Tue Nov 25 01:33:37 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:33:37 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811242016.34842.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net> <492B5137.5000109@yahoo.it>
	<200811242016.34842.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <200811242033.37932.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Monday 24 November 2008 8:16:34 pm Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> > > Will you recommend one that you like?  What is the learning curve to
> > > get it running?
> >
> > I use VirtualBox on a Mac; getting started was quite simple, no special
> > tricks to be learned. VirtualBox OSE version is available in the
> > repositories, so should be easy to install.
>
> And Marshall passes the ball to Ignazio.....     :-)

Who yet opened another can of worms in the end zone.
-- 
David M.



From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 02:34:23 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:34:23 +0000
Subject: Finally I am happy!
Message-ID: <ceb75a570811241834m4640855du88aa2c35f46d3ec4@mail.gmail.com>

At last I have a usable kubuntu 8.10 at home... And it's on my Eee
701. I can die a happy man now. :)

-- 
Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org



From pwpatter at mchsi.com  Tue Nov 25 04:33:47 2008
From: pwpatter at mchsi.com (pwpatter)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:33:47 -0600
Subject: How do I copy contents of a URL into Open Office?
In-Reply-To: <4929D430.4060202@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929CACC.6080902@sbcglobal.net>	<200811231648.47244.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
	<4929D430.4060202@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492B802B.6050104@mchsi.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Jerry Lapham wrote:
>   
>> On Sunday 23 November 2008 4:27:40 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> How can I copy and paste from a Konqueror site to a .otd or .doc page
>>> without just copying a web address?  TIA.
>>>     
>>>       
>> Hold down the left mouse button and drag over the content you want to copy so 
>> that it is highlighted.  Then go to the file you want to put it in and click 
>> the middle button (probably the scroll wheel) to paste it into your .otd 
>> or .doc page.
>>
>> 	-Jerry
>>   
>>     
> Hi Jerry,
>
> My mouse is a Microsoft cordless optical mouse with a center wheel that 
> cannot be depressed.  Is there a different option for this type of mouse?
> Thanks!
> Steven
>
>   
With opera, not sure about other browsers, file=save
as text.

Pat



From kassube at gmx.net  Tue Nov 25 06:24:17 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:24:17 +0100
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492B2184.3070301@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811242216.14160.kassube@gmx.net>
	<492B2184.3070301@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811250724.17843.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
> > And just loosing the password is no reason to reinstall. Use the
> > recovery mode of the grub menu and then you can get a root shell to
> > set a new password: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword>
>
> I don't have a lost password, I have one that I can only do about once
> a day.  It can take from 3 to 5 attempts before I can type it in error
> free.

Having a known password you can't type without errors is as bad as not 
remembering the password. So the procedure from the URL above is the 
same. In the root shell you can enter any password, even your 2 character 
one.


Nils



From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 06:42:45 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:42:45 +0300
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <200811241826.37724.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<492ACA9D.7050206@sbcglobal.net>
	<492AE54C.7070300@web.de>
	<200811241826.37724.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <492B9E65.5030100@gmail.com>

nepal wrote:
> On Monday 24 Nov 2008, Octavian Florea wrote:
>   
>> Actually Roman Emperors' names are quite common here, as
>> we Romanians are very proud of our Roman heritage.
>>
>> And back on topic, I hope the drivers work for Alexander
>> as well.
>>     
>
> LOL
> sounds like a history joke? (Alexander being a Greek...)
>
> nepal
:-D Sorry, I'm not a Greek :)

I've tried 180.06 on KDE4- it looks more stable than 180.08. At least it 
worked ~3 hours without faults.
It lacks speed, but anyway it seems to be a best driver from NVIDIA for 
now :-\



From mickrulist at voipfuture.com  Tue Nov 25 08:09:10 2008
From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:09:10 +0100
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492B9E65.5030100@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<492ACA9D.7050206@sbcglobal.net> <492AE54C.7070300@web.de>
	<200811241826.37724.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492B9E65.5030100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.uk50xgt4patht5@lxned.vodecc.com>

Am 25.11.2008, 07:42 Uhr, schrieb Alexander Smirnov  
<alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com>:

> nepal wrote:
>> On Monday 24 Nov 2008, Octavian Florea wrote:
>>
>>> Actually Roman Emperors' names are quite common here, as
>>> we Romanians are very proud of our Roman heritage.
>>>
>>> And back on topic, I hope the drivers work for Alexander
>>> as well.
>>>
>>
>> LOL
>> sounds like a history joke? (Alexander being a Greek...)
>>
>> nepal
> :-D Sorry, I'm not a Greek :)
>
> I've tried 180.06 on KDE4- it looks more stable than 180.08. At least it
> worked ~3 hours without faults.
> It lacks speed, but anyway it seems to be a best driver from NVIDIA for
> now :-\
>
I'm not sure if this was already discussed... but the Kubuntu folks do  
provide updates to the Linux Kernel as well ... and since everybody knows  
that with the 177 nVidia driver KDE 4.x has still rendering issues... what  
are the chances that we get a Kubuntu supported update via Adept to 8.10  
of the nVidia driver that would fix all known KDE issues? Be it 180 or 182  
or whatever. If tests do show that there is a stable working nVidia driver  
I would like to get it via Adept, so that I don't have problems with  
Kernel updates...

-- 
Michael
VoIPFuture



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 25 08:22:21 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:22:21 +0000
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492B9E65.5030100@gmail.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811241826.37724.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492B9E65.5030100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811250822.21845.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, Alexander Smirnov wrote:
> :-D Sorry, I'm not a Greek :)

with Roman Emporers and history I was thinking Alexander the 
Great.

and yes, I'm sure you are great too. ;)

nepal.



From miron.florea at web.de  Tue Nov 25 09:02:30 2008
From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:02:30 +0200
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <op.uk50xgt4patht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>	<492ACA9D.7050206@sbcglobal.net>
	<492AE54C.7070300@web.de>	<200811241826.37724.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<492B9E65.5030100@gmail.com>
	<op.uk50xgt4patht5@lxned.vodecc.com>
Message-ID: <492BBF26.8090700@web.de>

On 11/25/2008 10:09 AM, Michael Krueger wrote:
> I'm not sure if this was already discussed... but the Kubuntu folks do
> provide updates to the Linux Kernel as well ... and since everybody knows
> that with the 177 nVidia driver KDE 4.x has still rendering issues... what
> are the chances that we get a Kubuntu supported update via Adept to 8.10
> of the nVidia driver that would fix all known KDE issues? Be it 180 or 182
> or whatever. If tests do show that there is a stable working nVidia driver
> I would like to get it via Adept, so that I don't have problems with
> Kernel updates...
>    
Well, the 180.xx nvidia drivers are betas and I think the devs are 
waiting for a final release.
But since that may take a while (and 177.80 doesn't get along too well 
with KDE4) it's no wonder that quite a few users turned into "beta-testers".



From mickrulist at voipfuture.com  Tue Nov 25 09:09:54 2008
From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:09:54 +0100
Subject: NVidia Bitmap Corruption and Beta 180.06 Drivers Report
In-Reply-To: <492BBF26.8090700@web.de>
References: <200811230921.29335.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<492ACA9D.7050206@sbcglobal.net> <492AE54C.7070300@web.de>
	<200811241826.37724.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492B9E65.5030100@gmail.com>
	<op.uk50xgt4patht5@lxned.vodecc.com> <492BBF26.8090700@web.de>
Message-ID: <op.uk53qsg6patht5@lxned.vodecc.com>

Am 25.11.2008, 10:02 Uhr, schrieb Octavian Florea <miron.florea at web.de>:

> On 11/25/2008 10:09 AM, Michael Krueger wrote:
>> I'm not sure if this was already discussed... but the Kubuntu folks do
>> provide updates to the Linux Kernel as well ... and since everybody  
>> knows
>> that with the 177 nVidia driver KDE 4.x has still rendering issues...  
>> what
>> are the chances that we get a Kubuntu supported update via Adept to 8.10
>> of the nVidia driver that would fix all known KDE issues? Be it 180 or  
>> 182
>> or whatever. If tests do show that there is a stable working nVidia  
>> driver
>> I would like to get it via Adept, so that I don't have problems with
>> Kernel updates...
>>
> Well, the 180.xx nvidia drivers are betas and I think the devs are
> waiting for a final release.
> But since that may take a while (and 177.80 doesn't get along too well
> with KDE4) it's no wonder that quite a few users turned into  
> "beta-testers".
>
And that is not what I meant. As long as those drivers are beta's that is  
perfectly ok to not provide them to all users. But if nVidia thinks that  
the driver is final, I would like to get it as fast as possible via Adept.


-- 
Michael
VoIPFuture



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 25 10:34:38 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:34:38 +0000
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <200811241722.13286.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811241722.13286.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
Message-ID: <200811251034.38928.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, Pastor JW wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 12:26:39 pm nepal google 
wrote:
> > On Tuesday 18 November 2008, Derek Broughton wrote:
> > > Kcontrol _has_ been removed (for the life of me, I
> > > can't see why he thinks he could do anything in it he
> > > can't do in System Settings, but he _is_ right that
> > > it's gone. Perhaps he's just a little slower than me
> > > in realizing that much of what you saw in kcontrol is
> > > now in the "Advanced" tab of System Settings (it
> > > certainly took _me_ long enough to catch on).
> >
> > I'm just in the process of setting up 8.04 and one
> > thing I really never liked is KWallet. I looked at all
> > the options of System Settings and could not find where
> > to turn it off. So I ran KControl and knew immediately
> > where to go to turn this off. This is the kind of thing
> > that p****es off users like me having to waste time
> > trying to find out where something has been moved to.
>
> I agree Kwallet is really a bad pain 

Actually I've changed my mind about that. I have been using 
it for a week or so and it is not a problem. It was quite 
easy to set up, the only difficult part was me remembering 
that I have to enter my password when I start up KMail. And 
after a week it is beginning to sink in. ;)

> but unlike some 
> other distros, Kubuntu allows you to completely remove
> including the config files, just Kwallet!  I looked for a
> couple of days but couldn't find any place to turn it off

Just run KControl from a console, it is still in the 
Securities group of settings.

> so I going to try to remove it and put back all the other
> files it took away individually afterwords but It worked
> fine to remove it completely!  I didn't have to downgrade
> to Gnome!!  IF that program is made a mandatory part of
> KDE, KDE and I will part company.  As it is I am staying
> with 8.04 till either KDE4 gets repaired or until Gnome
> gets good enough to use.  

Gnome is something else I never liked too, perhaps it is 
time to give that another look, but I don't like the menus, 
and really really really don't like the file manager, is it 
Nautilus?

> Part of the reason for Linux is 
> that it can be configured to work the way YOU want it to
> work.  

Yes and they don't try to hide it away from the user because 
it is so flaky you might (100%chance will) break something.

> If you take away that ability, one may just as 
> well use windoze.

woah! steady on, nothing ever gets that bad. In fact I'd 
rather cut my fingers off and feed the mouse to the cat.
Having said that I really do miss playing AvP 1 and Sega 
Rallye 2. :-(

nepal



From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu  Tue Nov 25 14:14:08 2008
From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:14:08 -0500
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <200811251034.38928.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<200811241722.13286.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
	<200811251034.38928.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <492C0830.5050703@math.dartmouth.edu>

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nepal wrote:
>> so I going to try to remove it and put back all the other
>> files it took away individually afterwords but It worked
>> fine to remove it completely!  I didn't have to downgrade
>> to Gnome!!  IF that program is made a mandatory part of
>> KDE, KDE and I will part company.  As it is I am staying
>> with 8.04 till either KDE4 gets repaired or until Gnome
>> gets good enough to use.  
> 
> Gnome is something else I never liked too, perhaps it is 
> time to give that another look, but I don't like the menus, 
> and really really really don't like the file manager, is it 
> Nautilus?
> 
Ever since the "fall of KDE" I'm mostly using Gnome and I was pleasantly
surprised how much it has improved (in its default settings in Ubuntu at
least).

KDE4 should really have been NDE (new desktop environment) or something
as it is mostly written from scratch. Supposedly that would have allowed
KDE3.5 to coexist.

Sarunas
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From girardhenri at free.fr  Tue Nov 25 14:28:20 2008
From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:28:20 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <492C0830.5050703@math.dartmouth.edu>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811241722.13286.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
	<200811251034.38928.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492C0830.5050703@math.dartmouth.edu>
Message-ID: <1227623300.7581.0.camel@tai.ji>

try kde-4.2 ... and you will be surprised how it is !

regards

Le mardi 25 novembre 2008 à 09:14 -0500, Sarunas Burdulis a écrit :
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> nepal wrote:
> >> so I going to try to remove it and put back all the other
> >> files it took away individually afterwords but It worked
> >> fine to remove it completely!  I didn't have to downgrade
> >> to Gnome!!  IF that program is made a mandatory part of
> >> KDE, KDE and I will part company.  As it is I am staying
> >> with 8.04 till either KDE4 gets repaired or until Gnome
> >> gets good enough to use.  
> > 
> > Gnome is something else I never liked too, perhaps it is 
> > time to give that another look, but I don't like the menus, 
> > and really really really don't like the file manager, is it 
> > Nautilus?
> > 
> Ever since the "fall of KDE" I'm mostly using Gnome and I was pleasantly
> surprised how much it has improved (in its default settings in Ubuntu at
> least).
> 
> KDE4 should really have been NDE (new desktop environment) or something
> as it is mostly written from scratch. Supposedly that would have allowed
> KDE3.5 to coexist.
> 
> Sarunas
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From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk  Tue Nov 25 14:38:35 2008
From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (list at loampitsfarm.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:38:35 +0000
Subject: codecs
Message-ID: <200811251438.35792.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk>

In Kubuntu do all audio visual programs share codecs? E.g. if I install the 
codec for .mp3 for amarok will programs like mplayer pick them up or vice 
versa?

Andrew Heggie



From lanzenesi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 15:18:14 2008
From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:14 +0100
Subject: Finally I am happy!
In-Reply-To: <ceb75a570811241834m4640855du88aa2c35f46d3ec4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ceb75a570811241834m4640855du88aa2c35f46d3ec4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492C1736.8040305@gmail.com>

Hakan Koseoglu wrote:

> At last I have a usable kubuntu 8.10 at home... And it's on my Eee
> 701. I can die a happy man now. :)

There's always time for that, no need to hurry! :)

I'm also a happy 701 user since a couple of months. I run ubuntu eee on 
the SSD disk and Intrepid 'buntu in both gnome and kde4 flavors on a usb 
HD so far testing both array's kernels - plain and lean - and Ubuntu's 
straight generic. Contrary to what some think, I find that kubuntu kde4 
fits almost nicely and so I was planning to move it to the internal SSD. 
Everything seems to work, but, I wonder, how did you solve some issues 
like the far too high application kmenu (can't recall what it's called, 
right now)?

Also I feel kde4 needs more ram to really rock: did you change it to 1 
or e Gb?

-- 
lanzen



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 15:43:21 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:43:21 +0100
Subject: codecs
In-Reply-To: <200811251438.35792.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
References: <200811251438.35792.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f495db580811250743n47777c14u22f5815899dcdf7@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM,  <list at loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:
> In Kubuntu do all audio visual programs share codecs? E.g. if I install the
> codec for .mp3 for amarok will programs like mplayer pick them up or vice
> versa?
>
> Andrew Heggie

I think, but don't know, that they do.
-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 17:05:49 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:05:49 +0200
Subject: codecs
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811250743n47777c14u22f5815899dcdf7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811251438.35792.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
	<f495db580811250743n47777c14u22f5815899dcdf7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492C306D.6090100@gmail.com>

Knapp wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM,  <list at loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:
>> In Kubuntu do all audio visual programs share codecs? E.g. if I install the
>> codec for .mp3 for amarok will programs like mplayer pick them up or vice
>> versa?
>>
>> Andrew Heggie
> 
> I think, but don't know, that they do.
  in ubntu, there's usually one backend program responsible for handling 
codecs, and all programs, instead of each having it's own codecs 
colection. they use this backend program to be provided with the codecs 
they need. for instance, amarok uses the xine engine, when you install 
mp3 support, you are actually giving this codec to xine. all programs 
that use xine will have the codec.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 17:07:52 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:07:52 -0500
Subject: Finally I am happy!
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References: <ceb75a570811241834m4640855du88aa2c35f46d3ec4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811251208.00092.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Monday 24 November 2008 9:34:23 pm Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> At last I have a usable kubuntu 8.10 at home... And it's on my Eee
> 701. I can die a happy man now. :)

Did you install the ubuntu-eee remix and then just kubuntu-desktop, or did you 
just install the standard kubuntu?

Have you added the repos for the eee tuned kernel?

I have been wanting to install kde on my eee, but didn't want to sacrifice the 
specially tuned stuff.
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From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 17:22:51 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:22:51 +0000
Subject: Finally I am happy!
In-Reply-To: <492C1736.8040305@gmail.com>
References: <ceb75a570811241834m4640855du88aa2c35f46d3ec4@mail.gmail.com>
	<492C1736.8040305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ceb75a570811250922j41c019e1r99352e249e656a5a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:18 PM, lanzen <lanzenesi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hakan Koseoglu wrote:

> Everything seems to work, but, I wonder, how did you solve some issues
> like the far too high application kmenu (can't recall what it's called,
> right now)?
I didn't notice anything particularly wrong. There are a couple of
small issues which I can live with. My KDE 4.1 on 8.10 on my Asus test
box didn't work - the graphics card doesn't like the compiz and it's
not black listed apparently. KDE4 on 8.04 wasn't a very nice
experience so I'm not bothered with it much. I haven't touched Dolphin
yet (will uninstall it later tonight) therefore so far so good.

QJackCtl and some audio packages are also loaded but I haven't loaded
the Ubuntu Studio RT kernels yet.

> Also I feel kde4 needs more ram to really rock: did you change it to 1
> or e Gb?
I have 2GB RAM for some time and it's really snappy. On the stock
Xandros kernel I hardly used any of the memory.
-- 
Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org



From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 17:23:12 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:23:12 +0200
Subject: codecs
In-Reply-To: <200811251438.35792.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
References: <200811251438.35792.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
Message-ID: <880dece00811250923l14882f22h416f1e7cf34e4999@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/25  <list at loampitsfarm.co.uk>:
> In Kubuntu do all audio visual programs share codecs? E.g. if I install the
> codec for .mp3 for amarok will programs like mplayer pick them up or vice
> versa?
>
> Andrew Heggie
>

For the most part, all *nix programs know to look in standard places
for shared libraries. An exception is VLC.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي
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ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 17:28:10 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:28:10 +0000
Subject: Finally I am happy!
In-Reply-To: <200811251208.00092.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <ceb75a570811241834m4640855du88aa2c35f46d3ec4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811251208.00092.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ceb75a570811250928m79cc2398v6c01e044e59f208e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com> wrote:
> Did you install the ubuntu-eee remix and then just kubuntu-desktop, or did you
> just install the standard kubuntu?
I didn't have much success with my USB stick so eventually I gave up
on Ubuntu-eee remix (do they have 8.10 out yet?). I quickly set up a
bootp server and installed kubuntu over the net, then added
www.array.org interprid repo by hand and installed the Eee kernel from
there. After that the last thing to tinker with was moving the home to
the SD card and loading Skype + the rest of the software I want to
have (gcc, Sun JDK etc.) and now I have a
fully-featured-fit-in-my-large-pocket-development and audio
editing/recording kit. I still have to do the RT kernels for audio
stuff but it'd do fine for what I use this (mainly writing, dirty
coding and podcast recording).

> I have been wanting to install kde on my eee, but didn't want to sacrifice the
> specially tuned stuff.
Well.. I have been using the Xandros kernel since I got it in late
Jan. I have to say after setting up the power mgt, I'm sure that I'm
using significantly less battery. The CPU scaling works and it idles
nicely at 112.5MHz and when I'm using it goes upto 900MHz w/o any
tinkering. Sweet.

10400mAh battery is on its way so this little thing will continue to
be my main mobile laptop.

-- 
Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 25 20:13:09 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:13:09 +0000
Subject: package managers
Message-ID: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

Is there any reason not to use synaptic as the package 
manager instead of aptitude? ( I ask as aptitude is 
obviously the default for Kubuntu).

If I do use synaptic, is it best to just use the one or the 
other, or doesn't it matter?

nepal



From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org  Tue Nov 25 20:32:22 2008
From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:32:22 -0800
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811251232.22747.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>

On Tuesday 25 November 2008 12:13:09 pm nepal wrote:
> Is there any reason not to use synaptic as the package
> manager instead of aptitude? ( I ask as aptitude is
> obviously the default for Kubuntu).
>
> If I do use synaptic, is it best to just use the one or the
> other, or doesn't it matter?

I use it, it is one of the few things I found very nice about Gnome.  However, 
I did find as I installed Kubuntu on a friends that there was missing in the 
install some gtk things which makes the repository menus present all the 
needed info to make handling easier.  On my system since it came 
pre-installed with Ubuntu, when I added Kubuntu everything worked as it 
should anyway as all the Gnome system is on the drive as well.  I haven't 
booted into Gnome in months but use both the Synaptic package manager and the 
Update manager with no problems in Kubuntu.  

-- 
73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n><   PDGA# 35276
http://the-inner-circle.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 25 21:12:30 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:12:30 +0000
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811251232.22747.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811251232.22747.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
Message-ID: <200811252112.30974.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, Pastor JW wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 November 2008 12:13:09 pm nepal wrote:
> > Is there any reason not to use synaptic as the package
> > manager instead of aptitude? ( I ask as aptitude is
> > obviously the default for Kubuntu).
> >
> > If I do use synaptic, is it best to just use the one or
> > the other, or doesn't it matter?
>
> I use it, it is one of the few things I found very nice
> about Gnome.  However, I did find as I installed Kubuntu
> on a friends that there was missing in the install some
> gtk things which makes the repository menus present all
> the needed info to make handling easier.  On my system
> since it came pre-installed with Ubuntu, when I added
> Kubuntu everything worked as it should anyway as all the
> Gnome system is on the drive as well.  I haven't booted
> into Gnome in months but use both the Synaptic package
> manager and the Update manager with no problems in
> Kubuntu.

oops.

I meant to say Adept Manager, rather than aptitude, but 
think I will try synaptic anyway, I've used it before on 
other distros and prefer the interface.

but thanks I'll look out for those missing bits.

nepal.



From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org  Tue Nov 25 21:18:11 2008
From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:18:11 -0800
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811251318.11088.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>

On Sunday 23 November 2008 5:08:32 am Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:01:47 pm Wulfy wrote:
> > <rant>
> > I hate System Settings!
> > </rant>
> >
> > For the first time since I reinstalled, I have to print something out.
> > Of course, my printer needs configuring.  So easy in KControl...
> > Peripherals/Printers.  <sigh>
> >
> > I open System Settings and find... nothing about the printer. Zilch.
> > Nada.  Nowt.
> >
> > I could configure my joystick, if I had one, but not my printer.  I
> > wonder what percentage of users have joysticks compared to those who
> > have printers?
> >
> > Assuming for a moment that the developers of System Settings didn't have
> > a brain fart and leave the printer config dialog out completely, where
> > did they hide it?????
> >
> > I realise that I have to get used to KDE4 and things are different, but
> > come on!  No printer config??????????????????
>
> Yes ...
>
> KMenu|Applications|Settings|Printing
>
> God knows why its not in System Settings

No, I think He only has a fair guess since He is a being of logic and none 
seems to be used in the hiding the config settings from one update to 
another.  The only way I have ever made Printing work on Kubuntu is to copy 
the file I wish printed onto a SD card, carry the card over to my Mandriva 
desktop which is connected to the printer and plug it in, bring up Mandriva 
file manager, find the file on the SD card, and tell it to print. 


-- 
73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n><   PDGA# 35276
http://the-inner-circle.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 21:26:52 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:26:52 +1000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811251318.11088.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811251318.11088.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
Message-ID: <200811260726.52397.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:18:11 am Pastor JW wrote:
> No, I think He only has a fair guess since He is a being of logic and none
> seems to be used in the hiding the config settings from one update to
> another.  The only way I have ever made Printing work on Kubuntu is to copy
> the file I wish printed onto a SD card, carry the card over to my Mandriva
> desktop which is connected to the printer and plug it in, bring up Mandriva
> file manager, find the file on the SD card, and tell it to print.


Perhaps the KDE/Ubuntu team is focusing more on newer hardware these days? I 
remember being quite surprised that my usb connected printer (Samsung ML-2010) 
was silently auto detected and configured perfectly without me ever needing to 
do a thing. It even got the model number right.


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk  Tue Nov 25 21:34:21 2008
From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (andrew heggie)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:34:21 +0000
Subject: rsync home to new partition
References: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
	<1747694.c5ORMBId4L@cedar.serverforest.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.28.1539093856.7303.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

Derek Broughton wrote:

> list at loampitsfarm.co.uk wrote:
> 
>> also Derek mentioned a way of getting nntp access to this list, how
>> to?
> 
> nntp://gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.kubuntu
> 
> should be all you need

Thanks Derek

I had to hunt for the server which is:

news.gmane.org

Now I'm seeing if I can post from it!

Next question:

I've forgotten a username for an nntp account and have reloaded kubuntu.
Does anyone know where Knode (or kde wallet) stores usernames?




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 21:39:06 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:39:06 +1000
Subject: Mailing List Management
Message-ID: <200811260739.07174.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

Wow - I should browse the KMail menu more often. I had no idea that KMail had 
a feature in folders for managing mailing lists, with auto detection - sweet!


-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From grey at dmiyu.org  Tue Nov 25 21:43:17 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:43:17 -0800
Subject: Mailing List Management
In-Reply-To: <200811260739.07174.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811260739.07174.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811251343.18150.grey@dmiyu.org>

On Tuesday 25 November 2008 13:39:06 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> Wow - I should browse the KMail menu more often. I had no idea that KMail
> had a feature in folders for managing mailing lists, with auto detection -
> sweet!

    Be sweeter if it worked over IMAP.  :/



From d.mcglone at att.net  Tue Nov 25 21:48:36 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:48:36 -0500
Subject: xlibs-dev
Message-ID: <200811251648.36896.d.mcglone@att.net>

I can't seem to find xlibs-dev for kubuntu 8.10. Does anyone know where I 
could find them? Would xlibs-dev for feisty or dapper work?

Thanks
-- 
David M.



From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 21:55:04 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:55:04 +1000
Subject: Mailing List Management
In-Reply-To: <200811251343.18150.grey@dmiyu.org>
References: <200811260739.07174.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811251343.18150.grey@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811260755.04741.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:43:17 am Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 November 2008 13:39:06 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > Wow - I should browse the KMail menu more often. I had no idea that KMail
> > had a feature in folders for managing mailing lists, with auto detection
> > - sweet!
>
>     Be sweeter if it worked over IMAP.  :/

It does for me - Disconnected IMAP anyway
-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From d.mcglone at att.net  Tue Nov 25 23:43:01 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:43:01 -0500
Subject: xlibs-dev (solved)
In-Reply-To: <200811251648.36896.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811251648.36896.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <200811251843.01273.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Tuesday 25 November 2008 4:48:36 pm David McGlone wrote:
> I can't seem to find xlibs-dev for kubuntu 8.10. Does anyone know where I
> could find them? Would xlibs-dev for feisty or dapper work?

Had to install X11 dev files

-- 
David M.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 26 00:10:17 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:10:17 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu Hardy KDE3.5.10  Error - KIOExec Malformed URL home:/.
Message-ID: <492C93E9.3000500@sbcglobal.net>

When in Dolphin GUI and wanting to 'find' something, I get the error in 
the subject.  It has been that way, for some time, but I have been 
working on other things.  How can I get 'find' back?  Thanks!

Steven



From iebnue_cute at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 04:54:40 2008
From: iebnue_cute at yahoo.com (Ibnu Wijayanto)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:54:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: gb
Message-ID: <208581.87654.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

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From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Wed Nov 26 06:26:36 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:26:36 +0200
Subject: OT: Bad HD or bad RAM? - bad RAM!
Message-ID: <492CEC1C.6020502@prayingforisrael.net>

For the last few weeks I have been trying to install 8.10 on my daughter's PIII. I had already 
added an extra stick of 256 MB RAM and was ready for a nice easy install....
Every time I tried it would get stuck fairly early on with a nice red screen and an error message 
about a bat file on the CD. No problen burn another CD... OK try a different CD brand..... OK try 
a different hard drive (this one probably has some badblocks)... OK try another hard drive, this 
one is old and that is why the install gets stuck. I know I will repartition and not use the 
first couple of gigabytes where the 'problem' is... OK I'll try another hard drive.... ENOUGH 
already! I'' just use a live CD for just now - Slax seems quite nice and light -- what's that 
option on the boot menu? Memtest? Nah it couldn't possibly be the memory..........


Blessings,

Nigel

-- 



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 26 06:43:43 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:43:43 -0500
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <492CF01F.1080706@sbcglobal.net>

nepal wrote:
> Is there any reason not to use synaptic as the package 
> manager instead of aptitude? ( I ask as aptitude is 
> obviously the default for Kubuntu).
>
> If I do use synaptic, is it best to just use the one or the 
> other, or doesn't it matter?
>
> nepal
>
>   
I usually use Adept Package Manager, however, I have had Adept go on the 
fritz on occasion (not for about a year now, though), but whenever I was 
working through the problem with Adept, I used Synaptic.  Synaptic did 
everything just as well.  I think I stay with Adept, because I started 
with it and like the way it works.  I really think they are about equal 
though.

Steven



From o.sinclair at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 06:55:22 2008
From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:55:22 +0200
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <492CF01F.1080706@sbcglobal.net>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492CF01F.1080706@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <492CF2DA.4050008@gmail.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> nepal wrote:
>> Is there any reason not to use synaptic as the package 
>> manager instead of aptitude? ( I ask as aptitude is 
>> obviously the default for Kubuntu).
>>
>> If I do use synaptic, is it best to just use the one or the 
>> other, or doesn't it matter?
>>
>> nepal
>>
>>   
> I usually use Adept Package Manager, however, I have had Adept go on the 
> fritz on occasion (not for about a year now, though), but whenever I was 
> working through the problem with Adept, I used Synaptic.  Synaptic did 
> everything just as well.  I think I stay with Adept, because I started 
> with it and like the way it works.  I really think they are about equal 
> though.
> 
If you are talking 8.04 then I think they are about equal, more a matter 
of taste. In 8.10 I am still trying to understand how Adept is supposed 
to work, very "non-intuitive" to me. So there I find Synaptic easier as 
for now.





From grey at dmiyu.org  Wed Nov 26 07:05:14 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:05:14 -0800
Subject: Before I start filing bugs - KMail Help
In-Reply-To: <ggbooc$ssn$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <200811221831.09111.grey@dmiyu.org>
	<5a1f6bd00811230613w358c79dbje0749e3db3871608@mail.gmail.com>
	<ggbooc$ssn$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811252305.14403.grey@dmiyu.org>

On Sunday 23 November 2008 06:18:51 Jan Torben Heuer wrote:
> you need pinentry-gtk2 for example (-qt4 is broken, someone said). check
> the gnupg-agent config file for the corrent pinentry application.

> Works for me now!

    Not working here at all.  Looks like gnupg-agent never runs.  Ironically 
ssh-agent is running but never gets used.  :/

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------




From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 07:12:30 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:12:30 +0200
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
In-Reply-To: <200811242228.43597.kassube@gmx.net>
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	<200811242228.43597.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811252312j6696168an521fe8ecfc073581@mail.gmail.com>

On 24/11/2008, Nils Kassube <kassube at gmx.net> wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
> > Nils Kassube wrote:
> > > OK, now I understand how you mount the partition and I had to do some
> > > experiments to understand what happens. If you use this page and
> > > enter a mount point for a partition it creates an entry in the file
> > > /etc/fstab for the partition. Furthermore it creates the mount point
> > > directory. If you then enable the partition it will be mounted.
> > > However it isn't useful to go to the administrator mode each time you
> > > want to mount the partition. Therefore I suggest you go to that page
> > > one more time. Select the sdb5 partition and clich the "Modify ..."
> > > button. For the "Mount permission" select "Any user may
> > > enable/disable any time" and click "OK". That way you don't need
> > > administrator mode to mount the partition.
> >
> > I opened SystemSettings>Advanced>Disk&Filesystems>Modify,
> > there was no mount option that I could see.
>
> "Mount Permission" not option. But maybe you have a different version of
> the page?
>
> > The window that opened has
> > a box at the top that says
> >
> >                              Type:  proc
> >                               Mount Point:      /proc
> >                               Options              defaults
> >
> > The rest of the window is blank with OK and Cancel options at the
> > bottom.
>
> I think you selected the wrong partition. Can you try that again with the
> sdb5 partition?
>
> > > Finally we'll create a shortcut for the partition so you can access
> > > it more easily. Right click on the empty desktop and select "Create
> > > New" -> "Link to device" -> "Hard disk device ...". At the "General"
> > > tab enter a name for the shortcut. At the "Device" tab select the
> > > device "/dev/sdb5" and click "OK". Now when you want to access the
> > > partition, just click the shortcut and the disk will be mounted if
> > > necessary and then it will be opened with Dolphin.
> >
> > I carefully followed your instruction until the shortcut was on the
> > desktop.  When I clicked on the shortcut, I got the following Error -
> > KDesktop
> > The desktop entry file
> > /home/steven/Desktop/%2fdev$2fsdb5 is of type FSDevice but has no
> > Dev=...entry.
>
> Did you select the /dev/sdb5 entry of the "Device" tab? Anyway, unless you
> made the mount permission change the shortcut doesn't really help.
>
>

dear Nils, I'm not on my computer right now, but if i'm not mistaken,
when he clicks modify, there'san option there to automatically mount
the partition. if he checks this option, this should create an fstab
entry for his partition.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From kassube at gmx.net  Wed Nov 26 07:38:58 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:38:58 +0100
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811252312j6696168an521fe8ecfc073581@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4929D98A.6080600@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811242228.43597.kassube@gmx.net>
	<15edeae40811252312j6696168an521fe8ecfc073581@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811260838.58484.kassube@gmx.net>

Willy Hamra wrote:
> dear Nils, I'm not on my computer right now, but if i'm not mistaken,
> when he clicks modify, there'san option there to automatically mount
> the partition. if he checks this option, this should create an fstab
> entry for his partition.

That's correct - why didn't I see that option before?


Nils



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 07:41:24 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:41:24 +0200
Subject: OT: Bad HD or bad RAM? - bad RAM!
In-Reply-To: <492CEC1C.6020502@prayingforisrael.net>
References: <492CEC1C.6020502@prayingforisrael.net>
Message-ID: <15edeae40811252341i1d616c5ex10ded76166581a36@mail.gmail.com>

On 26/11/2008, Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net> wrote:
> For the last few weeks I have been trying to install 8.10 on my daughter's PIII. I had already
> added an extra stick of 256 MB RAM and was ready for a nice easy install....
> Every time I tried it would get stuck fairly early on with a nice red screen and an error message
> about a bat file on the CD. No problen burn another CD... OK try a different CD brand..... OK try
> a different hard drive (this one probably has some badblocks)... OK try another hard drive, this
> one is old and that is why the install gets stuck. I know I will repartition and not use the
> first couple of gigabytes where the 'problem' is... OK I'll try another hard drive.... ENOUGH
> already! I'' just use a live CD for just now - Slax seems quite nice and light -- what's that
> option on the boot menu? Memtest? Nah it couldn't possibly be the memory..........
>
>

nigel, i take it you're using an alternate CD? if bot, try using the
alternate CD, and keep pressing alt+f4 every now and then during the
install, it might contain some useful info about errors and the like,
then press alt+f1 to go back to the normal install screen.
hope this helps. and in anyway, it won't hurt to run memtest ;-)

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 26 08:42:56 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:42:56 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <200811242001.04491.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<492B48C1.8080904@yahoo.it>	<492B49F3.7030601@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811242001.04491.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <492D0C10.9080805@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Monday 24 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I am totally out of my comfort zone here.  I don't understand anything
>> about what is happening.  I am drowning.
>>     
>
> I hope you saved my last email   "The last word on Passwords" because I think 
> that is the answer to your happiness.
>
> Forget  xhost   and 'su'  and all that stuff.   What you want, can't be done.
>
>   
Dear Bruce,

I must have received more than 100 emails on this post.  I could not 
save them all, so when I found that I could not do what I want, I 
discarded them all.  I have 2 from you that I am responding to today; 
that is all.

After reading this email, I have decided to install the toughest 
firewalls I am able to get, if you can install more than one, and go 
back to my granddaughter name.  When I operated Windows, I never set a 
password.  I never had any problem that I know of either.  Another 
possibility is a fingerprint scanner, if that would work.  Can a person 
enter a sudo shell or Adept or Synaptic with a fingerprint scanner?  
That may be my solution.

When I install Intrepid, I a going back to 'em'.

Cordially,
Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 26 08:50:23 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:50:23 -0500
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
In-Reply-To: <200811260838.58484.kassube@gmx.net>
References: <4929D98A.6080600@sbcglobal.net>	<200811242228.43597.kassube@gmx.net>	<15edeae40811252312j6696168an521fe8ecfc073581@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811260838.58484.kassube@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <492D0DCF.4090006@sbcglobal.net>

Nils Kassube wrote:
> Willy Hamra wrote:
>   
>> dear Nils, I'm not on my computer right now, but if i'm not mistaken,
>> when he clicks modify, there'san option there to automatically mount
>> the partition. if he checks this option, this should create an fstab
>> entry for his partition.
>>     
>
> That's correct - why didn't I see that option before?
>
>
> Nils
>
>   
Do you mean, when I click on modify, highlight the partition then 
Enable, it is mounting the partition?

Steven



From kassube at gmx.net  Wed Nov 26 09:44:52 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:44:52 +0100
Subject: Some Mounting information seems missing?
In-Reply-To: <492D0DCF.4090006@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929D98A.6080600@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811260838.58484.kassube@gmx.net>
	<492D0DCF.4090006@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811261044.52225.kassube@gmx.net>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Nils Kassube wrote:
> > Willy Hamra wrote:
> >> dear Nils, I'm not on my computer right now, but if i'm not
> >> mistaken, when he clicks modify, there'san option there to
> >> automatically mount the partition. if he checks this option, this
> >> should create an fstab entry for his partition.
> >
> > That's correct - why didn't I see that option before?
>
> Do you mean, when I click on modify, highlight the partition then
> Enable, it is mounting the partition?

Yes, and if you follow what Willy suggested it will be mounted 
automatically at startup, i.e. highlight the sdb5 partition and click 
the "Modify ..." button. Then check the "Enable at start up" box and 
click OK. Then click the "Enable" button. Now the partition should be 
mounted at boot time already.


Nils



From tanghus at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 09:45:57 2008
From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:45:57 +0100
Subject: Mailing List Management
In-Reply-To: <200811260755.04741.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <200811260739.07174.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811251343.18150.grey@dmiyu.org>
	<200811260755.04741.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811261045.58019.tanghus@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 25 November 2008 22:55:04 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:43:17 am Steve Lamb wrote:
> > On Tuesday 25 November 2008 13:39:06 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > > Wow - I should browse the KMail menu more often. I had no idea that
> > > KMail had a feature in folders for managing mailing lists, with auto
> > > detection - sweet!
> >
> >     Be sweeter if it worked over IMAP.  :/
>
> It does for me - Disconnected IMAP anyway

It doesn't for me - connected IMAP.

-- 
Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen

  Thomas Olsen



From nigel at prayingforisrael.net  Wed Nov 26 10:13:25 2008
From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:13:25 +0200
Subject: OT: Bad HD or bad RAM? - bad RAM!
In-Reply-To: <15edeae40811252341i1d616c5ex10ded76166581a36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <492CEC1C.6020502@prayingforisrael.net>
	<15edeae40811252341i1d616c5ex10ded76166581a36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492D2145.2080000@prayingforisrael.net>

Willy Hamra wrote:
> On 26/11/2008, Nigel Ridley <nigel at prayingforisrael.net> wrote:
>> For the last few weeks I have been trying to install 8.10 on my daughter's PIII. I had already
>> added an extra stick of 256 MB RAM and was ready for a nice easy install....
>> Every time I tried it would get stuck fairly early on with a nice red screen and an error message
>> about a bat file on the CD. No problen burn another CD... OK try a different CD brand..... OK try
>> a different hard drive (this one probably has some badblocks)... OK try another hard drive, this
>> one is old and that is why the install gets stuck. I know I will repartition and not use the
>> first couple of gigabytes where the 'problem' is... OK I'll try another hard drive.... ENOUGH
>> already! I'' just use a live CD for just now - Slax seems quite nice and light -- what's that
>> option on the boot menu? Memtest? Nah it couldn't possibly be the memory..........
>>
>>
> 
> nigel, i take it you're using an alternate CD? if bot, try using the
> alternate CD, and keep pressing alt+f4 every now and then during the
> install, it might contain some useful info about errors and the like,
> then press alt+f1 to go back to the normal install screen.
> hope this helps. and in anyway, it won't hurt to run memtest ;-)
> 

Actually I know that English isn't your mother language, and please forgive me for assuming that 
everybody would understand my little story, but, yes I did do the memstest and it immediately 
showed that one of the memory sticks was waaaay bad! So I took the offender out and checked the 
other two and then did a perfect install :-)


Blessings,

Nigel

-- 



From lanzenesi at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 10:20:47 2008
From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:20:47 +0100
Subject: Finally I am happy!
In-Reply-To: <ceb75a570811250922j41c019e1r99352e249e656a5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ceb75a570811241834m4640855du88aa2c35f46d3ec4@mail.gmail.com>	<492C1736.8040305@gmail.com>
	<ceb75a570811250922j41c019e1r99352e249e656a5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492D22FF.5010000@gmail.com>

Hakan Koseoglu wrote:

> I didn't notice anything particularly wrong. There are a couple of
> small issues which I can live with. My KDE 4.1 on 8.10 on my Asus test
> box didn't work - the graphics card doesn't like the compiz and it's
> not black listed apparently. KDE4 on 8.04 wasn't a very nice
> experience so I'm not bothered with it much. I haven't touched Dolphin
> yet (will uninstall it later tonight) therefore so far so good.

*Ubuntu Eee* does not install compiz by default, but works beautifully
in that little space. I've split the SSD giving about 3 Gb to /root
leaving the remaining space for home. There's also another SD memory
card mounted in /media for extra space. I think KDE4 will be better with
its own eye candy staff leaving compiz alone.

As I said I have also another k/ubuntu installed on an external usb disk
and space, there, is no problem. I have a / partition and a home
partition there and even some swap space while I'm waiting to get hold
of a 2 GB ram. With Ubuntu compiz works nicely and doesn't slow the
system down too much, but I don't use compiz when I log into Kubuntu
KDE4. The visual effects are not as fancy as compiz's, but the useful
bits do their job. I think it's well known that compiz is much better in
gnome.

> QJackCtl and some audio packages are also loaded but I haven't loaded
> the Ubuntu Studio RT kernels yet.

So you're planning to use it for music. Interesting. Certainly advanced
graphic work is ruled out on such a tiny screen. Actually it could be
asking to much from any netbook! ;-)

>> Also I feel kde4 needs more ram to really rock: did you change it to 1
>> or e Gb?
> I have 2GB RAM for some time and it's really snappy. On the stock
> Xandros kernel I hardly used any of the memory.

Right, I'm waiting for mine.

-- 
lanzen




From info at alvin.be  Wed Nov 26 11:56:42 2008
From: info at alvin.be (Alvin)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:56:42 +0100
Subject: console in KRDC
Message-ID: <200811261256.42472.info@alvin.be>

Is there a way to get console access in KRDC (rdp)?
The manual does not list such an option.

I'm looking for the equivalent of 'rdesktop  -0'

-- 
Alvin



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 12:30:17 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:30:17 -0500
Subject: codecs
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811250923l14882f22h416f1e7cf34e4999@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811251438.35792.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
	<880dece00811250923l14882f22h416f1e7cf34e4999@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811260430x72cebbc2vc5083edf59bb0257@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/25 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> For the most part, all *nix programs know to look in standard places
> for shared libraries. An exception is VLC.

Which is why sometimes VLC will play a file that kaffeine chokes on.
(and theoretically vice-versa, though I haven't actually found a file
that won't play in VLC, but does in Kaffeine, at least not since
Dapper)

-- 

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artAlexion
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 12:35:01 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:35:01 -0500
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811251318.11088.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811251318.11088.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811260435o471bbe4xef09ea805aae5901@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Pastor JW
<pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org> wrote:
> The only way I have ever made Printing work on Kubuntu is to copy
> the file I wish printed onto a SD card, carry the card over to my Mandriva
> desktop which is connected to the printer and plug it in, bring up Mandriva
> file manager, find the file on the SD card, and tell it to print.
>

Though I have always found the *ubuntu printer configurations to be
pretty good compared to other Distros I have used, I know that I can
always ignore the distro's GUI and use the CUPS web interface

http://localhost:631


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artAlexion
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From jonorland at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 12:41:39 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:41:39 +0100
Subject: console in KRDC
In-Reply-To: <200811261256.42472.info@alvin.be>
References: <200811261256.42472.info@alvin.be>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811260441k2ffa92e8vd9af726ea8b2d93e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/26 Alvin <info at alvin.be>:
> Is there a way to get console access in KRDC (rdp)?
> The manual does not list such an option.
>
> I'm looking for the equivalent of 'rdesktop  -0'
>
> --
> Alvin

If you want a remote console why not use SSH. It's secure and it's
simple to use.



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 12:52:12 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:52:12 -0500
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811260726.52397.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811232308.33346.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<200811251318.11088.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
	<200811260726.52397.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811260452l68a6fc4cg69ac8a38b03dd45d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Lindsay Mathieson
<lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Perhaps the KDE/Ubuntu team is focusing more on newer hardware these days? I
> remember being quite surprised that my usb connected printer (Samsung ML-2010)
> was silently auto detected and configured perfectly without me ever needing to
> do a thing. It even got the model number right.

I think the credit is probably deserved by the CUPS developers more
than distro or desktop environment developers.  The former develop the
soul of the printing system, while the latter just dress her up.


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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 12:55:08 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:55:08 -0500
Subject: rsync home to new partition
In-Reply-To: <E1L55aG-0004FU-6v@chlorine.canonical.com>
References: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
	<1747694.c5ORMBId4L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<E1L55aG-0004FU-6v@chlorine.canonical.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811260455p400e9c25g76fb2f756dc446bf@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 4:34 PM, andrew heggie <list at loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:

> I've forgotten a username for an nntp account and have reloaded kubuntu.
> Does anyone know where Knode (or kde wallet) stores usernames?

You can usually just open the kwalletmanager gui and (with your
kwallet password) look at them there.


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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 12:57:19 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:57:19 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu Hardy KDE3.5.10 Error - KIOExec Malformed URL home:/.
In-Reply-To: <492C93E9.3000500@sbcglobal.net>
References: <492C93E9.3000500@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811260457g5c5d3e90p60e8581d2b9d33a3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> When in Dolphin GUI and wanting to 'find' something, I get the error in
> the subject.  It has been that way, for some time, but I have been
> working on other things.  How can I get 'find' back?  Thanks!

In KDE 3.5, use konqueror instead.

-- 

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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 13:01:50 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:01:50 -0500
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811260501mcc2f796wf518a8597c14c232@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:13 PM, nepal <nepal.roade at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Is there any reason not to use synaptic as the package
> manager instead of aptitude? ( I ask as aptitude is
> obviously the default for Kubuntu).
>
> If I do use synaptic, is it best to just use the one or the
> other, or doesn't it matter?

I don't think you have any problems mixing the package manager gui
programs.  You shouldn't mix apt-get and aptitude, but I think the
guis all use the same back end.

Can someone please confirm this and tell me whether the back end is
apti-get or aptitude.


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From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 13:04:48 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:04:48 +1000
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811260452l68a6fc4cg69ac8a38b03dd45d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811260726.52397.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811260452l68a6fc4cg69ac8a38b03dd45d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811262304.49171.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:52:12 pm Art Alexion wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Lindsay Mathieson
>
> <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Perhaps the KDE/Ubuntu team is focusing more on newer hardware these
> > days? I remember being quite surprised that my usb connected printer
> > (Samsung ML-2010) was silently auto detected and configured perfectly
> > without me ever needing to do a thing. It even got the model number
> > right.
>
> I think the credit is probably deserved by the CUPS developers more
> than distro or desktop environment developers.  The former develop the
> soul of the printing system, while the latter just dress her up.
>


Ah, well good job whoever did it. I remember the horrors of configuring 
printers a few years ago :(

-- 
Lindsay
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album 




From crisjss at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 13:06:35 2008
From: crisjss at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-15?q?Crist=F3v=E3o_Sousa?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:06:35 +0000
Subject: The Rise of KDE 4 and 8.10
In-Reply-To: <492377f6.1c89.b6cbdb90.2af8fda@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
References: <492377f6.1c89.b6cbdb90.2af8fda@blackpaw.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <200811261306.35688.crisjss@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 19 November 2008 02:20:38 lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com wrote:
> Seeing as everyone else has thought I'd chime in with my HO. Personally I'm
> loving KDE 4 and Intrepid. Have been trialling KDE4 since 8.04 but now am
> using it full time. There were some thing I initially really disliked - the
> new Menu, Dolphin, but now I've figured out the way they work and how to
> customise them I'm delighted - very usable and quite productive. I use
> Dolphin all the time for managing my files both locally and remotely on my
> MythBox.
>
> Don't get all the hate and honestly, someone posts a whine on some obscure
> Google blog? the "Fall of KDE"? please, get a grip and some perspective.
>
> So a big thanks to the KDE developers and the Kubuntu maintainers, I think
> you made the right choices and are doing a great job, kudos to you. I'm
> really excited about the new directions for KDE and Kubuntu.
>
> --
> Lindsay Mathieson
> http://album.mathieson.org.nz/

I'm using KDE4 at Intrepid too.

Kontact and Kopete used to crash, but with updates not anymore.
Nepomuk slows down Dolphin so I turned it off.

I use KDE 3 in a public machine but I prefer KDE4 of my laptop :)

After all it's a much harder to crash Kubuntu than I used to do so in Windows.

Cristóvão Sousa






From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 13:11:57 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:11:57 -0500
Subject: How to configure printer in Kubuntu 8.10
In-Reply-To: <200811262304.49171.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <4929543B.70209@tiscali.co.uk>
	<200811260726.52397.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811260452l68a6fc4cg69ac8a38b03dd45d@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811262304.49171.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811260511l243c7b6cy21ee8a4c60d1440c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Lindsay Mathieson
<lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:52:12 pm Art Alexion wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Lindsay Mathieson
>>
>> <lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Perhaps the KDE/Ubuntu team is focusing more on newer hardware these
>> > days? I remember being quite surprised that my usb connected printer
>> > (Samsung ML-2010) was silently auto detected and configured perfectly
>> > without me ever needing to do a thing. It even got the model number
>> > right.
>>
>> I think the credit is probably deserved by the CUPS developers more
>> than distro or desktop environment developers.  The former develop the
>> soul of the printing system, while the latter just dress her up.
>>
>
>
> Ah, well good job whoever did it. I remember the horrors of configuring
> printers a few years ago :(
>
> --
> Lindsay
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>

One of the nicest things about CUPS these days (if you install the
server) is that other Linux and Mac OSX computers will automatically
add and configure your printers.  You only need to set them up on one,
always running machine on the network.


-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be  Wed Nov 26 14:57:02 2008
From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:57:02 +0100
Subject: Sound problem
Message-ID: <200811261557.02530.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>

Hi,

I'm currently  running Kubuntu intrepid on my acer 6920.
Although it looks like kubuntu detected the sound system... there's no sound 
at all.

Any ideas?

:~$ aplay -I
aplay: playbackv:2424: You need to specify 1 files
tux at laptop:~$ aplay -L
default:CARD=Intel
    HDA Intel, ALC889 Analog
    Default Audio Device
front:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
    HDA Intel, ALC889 Analog
    Front speakers
surround40:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
    HDA Intel, ALC889 Analog
    4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
surround41:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
    HDA Intel, ALC889 Analog
    4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround50:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
    HDA Intel, ALC889 Analog
    5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
surround51:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
    HDA Intel, ALC889 Analog
    5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround71:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
    HDA Intel, ALC889 Analog
    7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers
hdmi:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
    HDA Intel
    HDMI Audio Output
null
    Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)

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From charioteer7 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 15:06:52 2008
From: charioteer7 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Bays)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:06:52 -0500
Subject: disk erase of dual boot system
Message-ID: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>

I have an older Windows XP/Mandrake 9.2 dual boot system which I want
to donate with a fresh install of
*buntu 8.10, but I need to do a thorough disk erase first.

Most of the data is on the Win partition, and there are tools like
Eraser to do this.But they won't handle the ext3(?) file system of
Mandrake.

Anyone know of a good linux tool that can blitz both partitions and
file systems, that I could use from the Mandrake
partition?

Cheers,

Geoffrey Bays



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Wed Nov 26 15:14:14 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:14:14 -0500
Subject: Password question.
In-Reply-To: <492D0C10.9080805@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4929B9B7.2010400@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811242001.04491.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<492D0C10.9080805@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811261014.14629.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> After reading this email, I have decided to install the toughest
> firewalls I am able to get,

You definitely need a firewall....   and there is another concept you have 
missed.

Having a 37 character-totally-impossible-to-crack password isn't going to stop 
anyone from breaking into your system.  They can do lots of damage without 
needing the password.

Get a firewall and then use a reasonable password.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Wed Nov 26 15:16:13 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:16:13 -0500
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811260501mcc2f796wf518a8597c14c232@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811260501mcc2f796wf518a8597c14c232@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811261016.13731.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
> I don't think you have any problems mixing the package manager gui
> programs.  You shouldn't mix apt-get and aptitude, but I think the
> guis all use the same back end.
>
> Can someone please confirm this and tell me whether the back end is
> apti-get or aptitude.

I use all four....  aptitude, synaptic, apt-get, and adept  without problems.

I believe they all resolve down to   dpkg  at their depths....



From magick.crow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 15:19:25 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:19:25 +0100
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811261016.13731.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811260501mcc2f796wf518a8597c14c232@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811261016.13731.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811260719j32af89f3lc6474bad85164cf8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Bruce Marshall <bmarsh at bmarsh.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
>> I don't think you have any problems mixing the package manager gui
>> programs.  You shouldn't mix apt-get and aptitude, but I think the
>> guis all use the same back end.
>>
>> Can someone please confirm this and tell me whether the back end is
>> apti-get or aptitude.
>
> I use all four....  aptitude, synaptic, apt-get, and adept  without problems.
>
> I believe they all resolve down to   dpkg  at their depths....

I was shocked one day when I typed JUST sudo aptitude


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 26 15:23:56 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:23:56 +0000
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811261523.57082.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, nepal wrote:
> Is there any reason not to use synaptic as the package
> manager instead of aptitude? ( I ask as aptitude is
> obviously the default for Kubuntu).
>
> If I do use synaptic, is it best to just use the one or
> the other, or doesn't it matter?
>
> nepal

I downloaded and installed synaptic and must say am much 
happier using this than adept manager.

I also read the docs and AFAIU all package management 
systems use dpkg ultimately.

I also noticed something else about an error that occurs 
with synaptic to do with networking and static/dynamic IP 
addressing (if that's the correct terminology). This is a 
problem I have encountered with other distros using 
synaptic as well as my first encounter with Kubuntu.

Synaptic will not connect if networking is set for dynamic 
addressing is what I understand and is exactly what I had 
happening when I first tried Kubuntu which IIRC was 7.04.

nepal.




From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 15:36:28 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:36:28 -0500
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811261016.13731.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811260501mcc2f796wf518a8597c14c232@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811261016.13731.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <200811261036.34695.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 10:16:13 am Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
> > I don't think you have any problems mixing the package manager gui
> > programs.  You shouldn't mix apt-get and aptitude, but I think the
> > guis all use the same back end.
> >
> > Can someone please confirm this and tell me whether the back end is
> > apti-get or aptitude.
>
> I use all four....  aptitude, synaptic, apt-get, and adept  without
> problems.
>
> I believe they all resolve down to   dpkg  at their depths....

Yes, and no.  Aptitude handles dependencies differently than apt-get, so 
removal is cleaner.  There are other differences with regard to the handling 
of recommended packages and so forth.  Google "aptitude vs. apt-get" for 
more.  Using apt-get and aptitude won't hurt anything, but every time you use 
apt-get instead of aptitude, you will not store the extended information for 
that package.

What I don't know is whether adept and synaptic store the apt-get info, the 
aptitude info, or something altogether different.

Sometimes I use synaptic to search packages because it is a single step to 
find and get info as opposed to aptitude search or aptitude show.  But I let 
aptitude to handle the actual installation.  I'd love to know if this is 
necessary.
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From tuxebi at gmx.de  Wed Nov 26 15:40:14 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:40:14 +0100
Subject: disk erase of dual boot system
In-Reply-To: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ggjqku$5s7$1@ger.gmane.org>

Geoffrey Bays wrote:
> I have an older Windows XP/Mandrake 9.2 dual boot system which I want
> to donate with a fresh install of
> *buntu 8.10, but I need to do a thorough disk erase first.
> 
> Most of the data is on the Win partition, and there are tools like
> Eraser to do this.But they won't handle the ext3(?) file system of
> Mandrake.
> 
> Anyone know of a good linux tool that can blitz both partitions and
> file systems, that I could use from the Mandrake
> partition?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Geoffrey Bays
> 
I would simply repartion and then format during the install.

If this is not sufficiently save, you can always overwrite your 
partitions with Zeroes.
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx

The german authorities imho recomend to do this a few times, if you 
absolutely want to erase your disks contents and practically prevent any 
data to be recovered. ( I do not know how other countries and 
authorities consider this)

regards
Eberhard





From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Wed Nov 26 16:13:44 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:13:44 -0500
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811261036.34695.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811261016.13731.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811261036.34695.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811261113.44238.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
> > I use all four....  aptitude, synaptic, apt-get, and adept  without
> > problems.
> >
> > I believe they all resolve down to   dpkg  at their depths....
>
> Yes, and no.  Aptitude handles dependencies differently than apt-get, so
> removal is cleaner.  There are other differences with regard to the
> handling of recommended packages and so forth.

Read what I said again..    I did not say they were all equal in value/action.

But they can be used interchangeably.



From info at alvin.be  Wed Nov 26 16:19:14 2008
From: info at alvin.be (Alvin)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:19:14 +0100
Subject: console in KRDC
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811260441k2ffa92e8vd9af726ea8b2d93e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811261256.42472.info@alvin.be>
	<b8d784880811260441k2ffa92e8vd9af726ea8b2d93e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811261719.14643.info@alvin.be>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 13:41:39 Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/26 Alvin <info at alvin.be>:
> > Is there a way to get console access in KRDC (rdp)?
> > The manual does not list such an option.
> >
> > I'm looking for the equivalent of 'rdesktop  -0'
> >

> If you want a remote console why not use SSH. It's secure and it's
> simple to use.

It certainly is. But I actually want an RDP console session to a Microsoft 
Windows server. rdesktop -0 does exactly that.

But how to do this with KRDC?

-- 
Alvin



From Herve at lucidia.net  Wed Nov 26 16:46:53 2008
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:46:53 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <1227623300.7581.0.camel@tai.ji>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811241722.13286.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
	<200811251034.38928.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492C0830.5050703@math.dartmouth.edu> <1227623300.7581.0.camel@tai.ji>
Message-ID: <4413284c0811260846p13f58584k8b49b93138cf25ec@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/25 Girard Henri <girardhenri at free.fr>:
> try kde-4.2 ... and you will be surprised how it is !

...which is now out. I hope we get some Kubuntu packages soon-ish :-)

Hervé

From Herve at lucidia.net  Wed Nov 26 16:47:25 2008
From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:47:25 +0100
Subject: The fall of KDE?
In-Reply-To: <4413284c0811260846p13f58584k8b49b93138cf25ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f495db580811180118p44033dc7he6d4cddea6a542d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811182026.39529.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811241722.13286.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>
	<200811251034.38928.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<492C0830.5050703@math.dartmouth.edu> <1227623300.7581.0.camel@tai.ji>
	<4413284c0811260846p13f58584k8b49b93138cf25ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4413284c0811260847k60762493v94ad4823ef97c4a7@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/26 Hervé Fache <Herve at lucidia.net>:
> 2008/11/25 Girard Henri <girardhenri at free.fr>:
>> try kde-4.2 ... and you will be surprised how it is !
>
> ...which is now out. I hope we get some Kubuntu packages soon-ish :-)
>
> Hervé
>
Well, the beta 1 is, not the release, sorry. But it is said to be
quite stable....

From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk  Wed Nov 26 17:19:22 2008
From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (andrew heggie)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:19:22 +0000
Subject: rsync home to new partition
References: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
	<1747694.c5ORMBId4L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<E1L55aG-0004FU-6v@chlorine.canonical.com>
	<5a1f6bd00811260455p400e9c25g76fb2f756dc446bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.29.1539093857.7303.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

Art Alexion wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 4:34 PM, andrew heggie <list at loampitsfarm.co.uk>
> wrote:
> 
>> I've forgotten a username for an nntp account and have reloaded kubuntu.
>> Does anyone know where Knode (or kde wallet) stores usernames?
> 
> You can usually just open the kwalletmanager gui and (with your
> kwallet password) look at them there.
> 
> 
I can see passwords there but not the usernames!

Andrew Heggie




From dave at thefletchers.net  Wed Nov 26 17:39:46 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:39:46 +0000
Subject: disk erase of dual boot system
In-Reply-To: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811261739.46407.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 15:06:52 Geoffrey Bays wrote:
> Anyone know of a good linux tool that can blitz both partitions and
> file systems, that I could use from the Mandrake
> partition?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Geoffrey Bays

http://www.dban.org/

This is a boot disk which entirely erases everything on your hard drive.

Make sure you really, REALLY mean to erase that drive before you use it :-)

Dave



From charioteer7 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 17:47:21 2008
From: charioteer7 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Bays)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:47:21 -0500
Subject: disk erase of dual boot system
In-Reply-To: <200811261739.46407.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811261739.46407.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <646a014e0811260947y249e306cwaba9cbbd841d1b99@mail.gmail.com>

I am assuming that Ubuntu will install properly after I have blitzed
the disk with dban or killdisk. The installer will create all the
partitions by itself?

Geoffrey

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:39 PM, David Fletcher <dave at thefletchers.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 November 2008 15:06:52 Geoffrey Bays wrote:
>> Anyone know of a good linux tool that can blitz both partitions and
>> file systems, that I could use from the Mandrake
>> partition?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Geoffrey Bays
>
> http://www.dban.org/
>
> This is a boot disk which entirely erases everything on your hard drive.
>
> Make sure you really, REALLY mean to erase that drive before you use it :-)
>
> Dave
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 17:48:59 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:48:59 -0500
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811261113.44238.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811261036.34695.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811261113.44238.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <200811261249.05184.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 11:13:44 am Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
> > > I use all four....  aptitude, synaptic, apt-get, and adept  without
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > I believe they all resolve down to   dpkg  at their depths....
> >
> > Yes, and no.  Aptitude handles dependencies differently than apt-get, so
> > removal is cleaner.  There are other differences with regard to the
> > handling of recommended packages and so forth.
>
> Read what I said again..    I did not say they were all equal in
> value/action.
>
> But they can be used interchangeably.

And I disagreed.  If you want the benefits of aptitude, stop using apt-get.

What I did not know was whether the two GUI managers stored the additional 
aptitude info or just the apt-get.

Oh, and in this instance, it is an oversimplification to say that they are all 
based on dpkg, because dpkg does not manage installation of dependencies at 
all.  Try adding a deb with missing dependencies with dpkg and you won't get 
asked whether you want to install them the way apt-get, aptitude, and the 
GUIs do.  You just get a failure.
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From tuxebi at gmx.de  Wed Nov 26 18:05:26 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:05:26 +0100
Subject: disk erase of dual boot system
In-Reply-To: <646a014e0811260947y249e306cwaba9cbbd841d1b99@mail.gmail.com>
References: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>	<200811261739.46407.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<646a014e0811260947y249e306cwaba9cbbd841d1b99@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ggk356$5o8$1@ger.gmane.org>

Geoffrey Bays wrote:
> I am assuming that Ubuntu will install properly after I have blitzed
> the disk with dban or killdisk. The installer will create all the
> partitions by itself?
> 
> Geoffrey
> 
Hi Geoffrey,

it can, but you better do it for yourself,
otherwise, at least my experience was, that the installer tends
to install anything entirely to one large disk.

So if you want more control, you need to eventually adjust the
installers' proposal or you create a partition table according to your 
own needs from scratch.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Wed Nov 26 18:19:59 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:19:59 -0500
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811261249.05184.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811261113.44238.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811261249.05184.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811261319.59751.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008, Art Alexion wrote:
> Oh, and in this instance, it is an oversimplification to say that they are
> all based on dpkg, because dpkg does not manage installation of
> dependencies at all.

I never said it did....   and no it doesn't.   But they all use dpkg at their 
lowest level.


> Try adding a deb with missing dependencies with dpkg 
> and you won't get asked whether you want to install them the way apt-get,
> aptitude, and the GUIs do.  You just get a failure.





From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr  Wed Nov 26 18:31:12 2008
From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:31:12 +0100
Subject: Sound problem
In-Reply-To: <200811261557.02530.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
References: <200811261557.02530.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <200811261931.13666.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 15:57, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm currently  running Kubuntu intrepid on my acer 6920.
> Although it looks like kubuntu detected the sound system... there's no
> sound at all.
>
> Any ideas?

Hi Karl.

As I seem to be on a roll at the moment, with helping folks with sound 
problems, let's go for it.

First, to check that nothing is muted, open Alsamixer on the CLI (Konsole), 
and check that no controls are muted, and sliders like Master, PCM, Front, 
and CD are up.

You may have to set a model option for snd-hda-intel to get the sound working 
on your machine. Open Konsole, then, sudo kate (or kwrite if it's installed), 
then navigate to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. Now add the following line to the 
alsa-base file.

options snd-hda-intel model=acer-aspire

Save the changes, and reboot. Open alsamixer again, and make sure nothings 
muted and the sliders mentioned above are up.

Usually I check out if the sounds working with an audio cd, and Kscd, but you 
usually get sounds when logging in, if the sounds are up and running.

Let's go with the stuff above for the moment, and see how it goes.

You could also post the output of the following commands.

cat /proc/asound/cards
cat /proc/asound/version            (this should be 1.0.17)
lsmod | grep snd
lspci -vn      (just the bit for the soundcard)
grep ^Codec /proc/asound/card?/codec*

All the best.

Nigel.




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 26 18:37:38 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:37:38 +0000
Subject: rsync home to new partition
In-Reply-To: <E1L55aG-0004FU-6v@chlorine.canonical.com>
References: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
	<1747694.c5ORMBId4L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<E1L55aG-0004FU-6v@chlorine.canonical.com>
Message-ID: <200811261837.38423.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, andrew heggie wrote:
> I've forgotten a username for an nntp account and have
> reloaded kubuntu. Does anyone know where Knode (or kde
> wallet) stores usernames?

I would check knoderc in .kde/share/config.

nepal.



From charioteer7 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 18:43:20 2008
From: charioteer7 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Bays)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:43:20 -0500
Subject: disk erase of dual boot system
In-Reply-To: <ggk356$5o8$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811261739.46407.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<646a014e0811260947y249e306cwaba9cbbd841d1b99@mail.gmail.com>
	<ggk356$5o8$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <646a014e0811261043r4ef75d12o709749f187346e7@mail.gmail.com>

Eberhard:

I do intend for the new 8.10 install to take up the entire disk. Does
the installer by default set up two or three partitions?
Swap plus one or swap plus two?
I suspect the defaults will do fine, but then I have never attempted
to optimize the partitions myself.

Regards,

Geoffrey

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Eberhard Roloff <tuxebi at gmx.de> wrote:
> Geoffrey Bays wrote:
>> I am assuming that Ubuntu will install properly after I have blitzed
>> the disk with dban or killdisk. The installer will create all the
>> partitions by itself?
>>
>> Geoffrey
>>
> Hi Geoffrey,
>
> it can, but you better do it for yourself,
> otherwise, at least my experience was, that the installer tends
> to install anything entirely to one large disk.
>
> So if you want more control, you need to eventually adjust the
> installers' proposal or you create a partition table according to your
> own needs from scratch.
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>
>
> --
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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>



From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk  Wed Nov 26 19:44:13 2008
From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (andrew heggie)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:44:13 +0000
Subject: rsync home to new partition
References: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
	<1747694.c5ORMBId4L@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<E1L55aG-0004FU-6v@chlorine.canonical.com>
	<200811261837.38423.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.30.1539093857.7303.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

nepal wrote:

> On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, andrew heggie wrote:
>> I've forgotten a username for an nntp account and have
>> reloaded kubuntu. Does anyone know where Knode (or kde
>> wallet) stores usernames?
> 
> I would check knoderc in .kde/share/config.
> 
> nepal.

Thanks you were close, it's in .kde/share/apps/knode/nntp

Andrew Heggie




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Wed Nov 26 20:25:22 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:25:22 +0100
Subject: disk erase of dual boot system
In-Reply-To: <646a014e0811261043r4ef75d12o709749f187346e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>	<200811261739.46407.dave@thefletchers.net>	<646a014e0811260947y249e306cwaba9cbbd841d1b99@mail.gmail.com>	<ggk356$5o8$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<646a014e0811261043r4ef75d12o709749f187346e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ggkbbj$4a5$1@ger.gmane.org>

Geoffrey Bays wrote:
> Eberhard:
> 
> I do intend for the new 8.10 install to take up the entire disk. Does
> the installer by default set up two or three partitions?
> Swap plus one or swap plus two?
> I suspect the defaults will do fine, but then I have never attempted
> to optimize the partitions myself.
> 
Geoffrey,

afaik swap + one. I would AT THE VERY LEAST reject this proposal and 
have a separated /home. This will greatly simplify the upgrade to the 
versions that will be relased within the next 4 years. ;-), since if you 
do not 2 want to upgrade or if something goes terribly wrong, you can 
always do a new install from scratch, while your /home stays, where it 
ever was.

Furthermore, if you are planning for servers or anything else, you 
should do the appropriate steps for what you plan at partitioning time.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 26 21:15:50 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:15:50 +0000
Subject: rsync home to new partition
In-Reply-To: <E1L5QJ4-0008OC-Cw@chlorine.canonical.com>
References: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
	<200811261837.38423.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<E1L5QJ4-0008OC-Cw@chlorine.canonical.com>
Message-ID: <200811262115.51213.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Wednesday 26 Nov 2008, andrew heggie wrote:
> nepal wrote:
> > On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, andrew heggie wrote:
> >> I've forgotten a username for an nntp account and have
> >> reloaded kubuntu. Does anyone know where Knode (or kde
> >> wallet) stores usernames?
> >
> > I would check knoderc in .kde/share/config.
> >
> > nepal.
>
> Thanks you were close, it's in .kde/share/apps/knode/nntp
>
> Andrew Heggie

Thats odd, just having a look in knoderc, under the section 
name [MAILSERVER]
is an entry for user with my email address as the user name.
(this is for a now unavailable nntp server)

But I do also see an entry where you say in the nntp 
directory, info file for user too. Mine is blank as I don't 
have an nntp service from my isp, just the gmane service 
which doesn't require a 'user' to access.



From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be  Wed Nov 26 21:17:04 2008
From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:17:04 +0100
Subject: Sound problem
In-Reply-To: <200811262138.56219.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
References: <200811261557.02530.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
	<200811261931.13666.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
	<200811262138.56219.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <200811262217.04639.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 19:31:12 Nigel Henry wrote:
 > On Wednesday 26 November 2008 15:57, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > I'm currently  running Kubuntu intrepid on my acer 6920.
 > Although it looks like kubuntu detected the sound system... there's no
> > sound at all.
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> Hi Karl.
>
> As I seem to be on a roll at the moment, with helping folks with sound
> problems, let's go for it.
>
> First, to check that nothing is muted, open Alsamixer on the CLI
> (Konsole), and check that no controls are muted, and sliders like Master,
> PCM, Front, and CD are up.
Master:89  /  Headphone:00 /  PCM:100<>100  /  Front: 81<>81  /  ...
/ ==> not sure what this is... IEC958:00  /  IEC958 D :00
> You may have to set a model option for snd-hda-intel to get the sound
> working on your machine. Open Konsole, then, sudo kate (or kwrite if it's
> installed), then navigate to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. Now add the
> following line to the alsa-base file.
>
> options snd-hda-intel model=acer-aspire
I've added:
#aanpassingen:
options snd-hda-intel model=acer-aspire
> Save the changes, and reboot. Open alsamixer again, and make sure
> nothings muted and the sliders mentioned above are up.
>
> Usually I check out if the sounds working with an audio cd, and Kscd, but
> you usually get sounds when logging in, if the sounds are up and running.
>
> Let's go with the stuff above for the moment, and see how it goes.
>
> You could also post the output of the following commands.
>
> cat /proc/asound/cards
result:
0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
                      HDA Intel at 0xfc300000 irq 22
> cat /proc/asound/version            (this should be 1.0.17)
result:
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.17.
> > lsmod | grep snd
result:
snd_hda_intel         381488  1
snd_pcm_oss            46848  0
snd_mixer_oss          22784  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm                83204  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_dummy          10884  0
snd_seq_oss            38528  0
snd_seq_midi           14336  0
snd_rawmidi            29824  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event     15232  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq                57776  6
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer              29960  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device         15116  5
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
snd                    63268  11
snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd
seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore              15328  1 snd
snd_page_alloc         16136  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
> > lspci -vn      (just the bit for the soundcard)
result:
00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
      Subsystem: 1025:0146
      Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
      Memory at fc300000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
      Capabilities: <access denied>
      Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
      Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
 > grep ^Codec /proc/asound/card?/codec*
 result:
 /proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: Realtek ALC889
 /proc/asound/card0/codec#1:Codec: LSI ID 1040

 > All the best.
 >
 > Nigel.

 I hope the info above is helpfull because i still have no sound at all.
 (ps: thx for the help!)

 Karl,

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From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk  Wed Nov 26 21:34:54 2008
From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (andrew heggie)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:34:54 +0000
Subject: rsync home to new partition
References: <1863.1227049002@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
	<200811261837.38423.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<E1L5QJ4-0008OC-Cw@chlorine.canonical.com>
	<200811262115.51213.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.31.1539093857.7303.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

nepal wrote:

>> Thanks you were close, it's in .kde/share/apps/knode/nntp
>>
>> Andrew Heggie
> 
> Thats odd, just having a look in knoderc, under the section
> name [MAILSERVER]
> is an entry for user with my email address as the user name.
> (this is for a now unavailable nntp server)

Mine is blank there because my isp doesn't require authentication by
username and password as I'm directly connected to them by adsl.
> 
> But I do also see an entry where you say in the nntp
> directory, info file for user too. Mine is blank as I don't
> have an nntp service from my isp, 

I don't have nntp access from my isp which is why I was trying to find my
username for the third party nntp service I'd paid for but it doesn't seem
to function any more.

Andrew Heggie





From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org  Wed Nov 26 22:49:16 2008
From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:49:16 -0800
Subject: disk erase of dual boot system
In-Reply-To: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <646a014e0811260706m53479db8v4194a52c8f68ead3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811261449.16924.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 7:06:52 am Geoffrey Bays wrote:
> I have an older Windows XP/Mandrake 9.2 dual boot system which I want
> to donate with a fresh install of
> *buntu 8.10, but I need to do a thorough disk erase first.
>
> Most of the data is on the Win partition, and there are tools like
> Eraser to do this.But they won't handle the ext3(?) file system of
> Mandrake.
>
> Anyone know of a good linux tool that can blitz both partitions and
> file systems, that I could use from the Mandrake
> partition?

All you need do is install Kubuntu and tell it to "use the whole disk"  
Everything you wanted to do in one simple operation!!


-- 
73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n><   PDGA# 35276
http://the-inner-circle.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr



From michael at weblore.com  Wed Nov 26 23:22:54 2008
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:22:54 -0600
Subject: Problem w/repositories
Message-ID: <200811261722.54485.michael@weblore.com>

I just installed Kubuntu Intrepid on a computer. I had to use the DVD, because 
this dumb machine would boot from a dvd and not a cd.

The internet is up clean, but I'm not sure what's happening with adept. I 
don't see many packages - not even such staples as Firefox or Gimp. It 
doesn't show the list of packages as it did in Hardy, and the repositories 
look right.

Could anyone give me some help with this?

---Michael



From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr  Wed Nov 26 23:23:20 2008
From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:23:20 +0100
Subject: Sound problem
In-Reply-To: <200811262217.04639.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
References: <200811261557.02530.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
	<200811262138.56219.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
	<200811262217.04639.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <200811270023.20520.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 22:17, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 November 2008 19:31:12 Nigel Henry wrote:
>  > On Wednesday 26 November 2008 15:57, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > I'm currently  running Kubuntu intrepid on my acer 6920.
>  > Although it looks like kubuntu detected the sound system... there's no
>  >
> > > sound at all.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> >
> > Hi Karl.
> >
> > As I seem to be on a roll at the moment, with helping folks with sound
> > problems, let's go for it.
> >
> > First, to check that nothing is muted, open Alsamixer on the CLI
> > (Konsole), and check that no controls are muted, and sliders like Master,
> > PCM, Front, and CD are up.
>
> Master:89  /  Headphone:00 /  PCM:100<>100  /  Front: 81<>81  /  ...
> / ==> not sure what this is... IEC958:00  /  IEC958 D :00
>
> > You may have to set a model option for snd-hda-intel to get the sound
> > working on your machine. Open Konsole, then, sudo kate (or kwrite if it's
> > installed), then navigate to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. Now add the
> > following line to the alsa-base file.
> >
> > options snd-hda-intel model=acer-aspire
>
> I've added:
> #aanpassingen:
> options snd-hda-intel model=acer-aspire
>
> > Save the changes, and reboot. Open alsamixer again, and make sure
> > nothings muted and the sliders mentioned above are up.
> >
> > Usually I check out if the sounds working with an audio cd, and Kscd, but
> > you usually get sounds when logging in, if the sounds are up and running.
> >
> > Let's go with the stuff above for the moment, and see how it goes.
> >
> > You could also post the output of the following commands.
> >
> > cat /proc/asound/cards
>
> result:
> 0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
>                       HDA Intel at 0xfc300000 irq 22
>
> > cat /proc/asound/version            (this should be 1.0.17)
>
> result:
> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.17.
>
> > > lsmod | grep snd
>
> result:
> snd_hda_intel         381488  1
> snd_pcm_oss            46848  0
> snd_mixer_oss          22784  1 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_pcm                83204  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
> snd_seq_dummy          10884  0
> snd_seq_oss            38528  0
> snd_seq_midi           14336  0
> snd_rawmidi            29824  1 snd_seq_midi
> snd_seq_midi_event     15232  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
> snd_seq                57776  6
> snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
> snd_timer              29960  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
> snd_seq_device         15116  5
> snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
> snd                    63268  11
> snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd
> seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore              15328  1 snd
> snd_page_alloc         16136  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
>
> > > lspci -vn      (just the bit for the soundcard)
>
> result:
> 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
>       Subsystem: 1025:0146
>       Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
>       Memory at fc300000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
>       Capabilities: <access denied>
>       Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
>       Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
>
>  > grep ^Codec /proc/asound/card?/codec*
>
>  result:
>  /proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: Realtek ALC889
>  /proc/asound/card0/codec#1:Codec: LSI ID 1040

The Realtek ALC889 codec is the one for your soundcard. The LSI ID 1040 codec 
has something to do with a sound component for the onboard winmodem.
>
>  > All the best.
>  >
>  > Nigel.
>
>  I hope the info above is helpfull because i still have no sound at all.
>  (ps: thx for the help!)
>
>  Karl,

Hi Karl. Everything above appears to be ok. All modules are loaded, and the 
soundcard is detected. Looking in /etc/group my user name is not on the audio 
group, and yet the sounds are working for me. it may be worth adding your 
user name to the audio group in /etc/group, which should look like this, as 
below. Just change the user name, which is mine.

audio: x: 29: djmons

Then logout, and login, or reboot, and see if anything has changed.

You can also download a shellscript from the link below. When run this will 
pick up info about your machine, and all sound related stuff. As default it 
will upload it to a website, just post back the link to the site in your 
reply.

http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh

Using save as, save the script as alsa-info.sh, and make it executable. Cd to 
where the script is saved in Konsole, and run it as.
./alsa-info.sh

Just paste the link to the website, where it's been uploaded to in your reply.

I'll post the info to the alsa development list, or you can if you're 
subscribed, and we'll see if we can get your sounds working.

All the best.

Nigel.





From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net  Thu Nov 27 00:26:40 2008
From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:26:40 -0800
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811261523.57082.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811261523.57082.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811261626.40609.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net>

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 07:23:56 am nepal wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, nepal wrote:
> > Is there any reason not to use synaptic as the package
> > manager instead of aptitude? ( I ask as aptitude is
> > obviously the default for Kubuntu).
> >
> > If I do use synaptic, is it best to just use the one or
> > the other, or doesn't it matter?
> >
> > nepal
>
> I downloaded and installed synaptic and must say am much
> happier using this than adept manager.
>
> I also read the docs and AFAIU all package management
> systems use dpkg ultimately.
>
> I also noticed something else about an error that occurs
> with synaptic to do with networking and static/dynamic IP
> addressing (if that's the correct terminology). This is a
> problem I have encountered with other distros using
> synaptic as well as my first encounter with Kubuntu.
>
> Synaptic will not connect if networking is set for dynamic
> addressing is what I understand and is exactly what I had
> happening when I first tried Kubuntu which IIRC was 7.04.
>
> nepal.

In KDE 3.5.10, I was fairly happy with Adept and the information it provided.  
in KDE 4.1, I find that searching for packages in Adept does return the same 
number of packages it did in 3.5.10 and it takes more mouse clicks to get to 
the core info of the package--i.e. version numbers, etc.  Lots of package data 
I get immediately in Synaptic I have to dig to find in KDE 4.1 version of 
Adept.  I hate to say this, but Adept, at least in my realm, has a usability 
regression over previous versions.

Larry



From sundar.personal at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 06:53:53 2008
From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:53:53 -0800
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811261016.13731.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<5a1f6bd00811260501mcc2f796wf518a8597c14c232@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811261016.13731.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <gglg42$ts9$1@ger.gmane.org>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> I believe they all resolve down to   dpkg  at their depths....


Yes, dpkg is the lower level tool, and the rest use dpkg. As it says in 
the Debian FAQ, "the higher level package management tools such as 
aptitude or dselect rely on apt which, itself, relies on dpkg to manage 
the packages in the system".

See Debian FAQ: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html

Sundar.






From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be  Thu Nov 27 08:08:42 2008
From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:08:42 +0100
Subject: Sound problem
In-Reply-To: <200811270023.20520.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
References: <200811261557.02530.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
	<200811262217.04639.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
	<200811270023.20520.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
Message-ID: <200811270908.43048.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>

On Thursday 27 November 2008 00:23:20 Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 November 2008 22:17, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote:
> > On Wednesday 26 November 2008 19:31:12 Nigel Henry wrote:
> >  > On Wednesday 26 November 2008 15:57, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote:
> >  > Hi,
> >  >
> >  > I'm currently  running Kubuntu intrepid on my acer 6920.
> >  > Although it looks like kubuntu detected the sound system... there's no
> >  >
> > > > sound at all.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Hi Karl.
> > >
> > > As I seem to be on a roll at the moment, with helping folks with sound
> > > problems, let's go for it.
> > >
> > > First, to check that nothing is muted, open Alsamixer on the CLI
> > > (Konsole), and check that no controls are muted, and sliders like
> > > Master, PCM, Front, and CD are up.
> >
> > Master:89  /  Headphone:00 /  PCM:100<>100  /  Front: 81<>81  /  ...
> > / ==> not sure what this is... IEC958:00  /  IEC958 D :00
> >
> > > You may have to set a model option for snd-hda-intel to get the sound
> > > working on your machine. Open Konsole, then, sudo kate (or kwrite if
> > > it's installed), then navigate to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. Now add
> > > the following line to the alsa-base file.
> > >
> > > options snd-hda-intel model=acer-aspire
> >
> > I've added:
> > #aanpassingen:
> > options snd-hda-intel model=acer-aspire
> >
> > > Save the changes, and reboot. Open alsamixer again, and make sure
> > > nothings muted and the sliders mentioned above are up.
> > >
> > > Usually I check out if the sounds working with an audio cd, and Kscd,
> > > but you usually get sounds when logging in, if the sounds are up and
> > > running.
> > >
> > > Let's go with the stuff above for the moment, and see how it goes.
> > >
> > > You could also post the output of the following commands.
> > >
> > > cat /proc/asound/cards
> >
> > result:
> > 0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
> >                       HDA Intel at 0xfc300000 irq 22
> >
> > > cat /proc/asound/version            (this should be 1.0.17)
> >
> > result:
> > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.17.
> >
> > > > lsmod | grep snd
> >
> > result:
> > snd_hda_intel         381488  1
> > snd_pcm_oss            46848  0
> > snd_mixer_oss          22784  1 snd_pcm_oss
> > snd_pcm                83204  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
> > snd_seq_dummy          10884  0
> > snd_seq_oss            38528  0
> > snd_seq_midi           14336  0
> > snd_rawmidi            29824  1 snd_seq_midi
> > snd_seq_midi_event     15232  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
> > snd_seq                57776  6
> > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
> > snd_timer              29960  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
> > snd_seq_device         15116  5
> > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
> > snd                    63268  11
> > snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,s
> >nd seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore              15328  1 snd
> > snd_page_alloc         16136  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
> >
> > > > lspci -vn      (just the bit for the soundcard)
> >
> > result:
> > 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
> >       Subsystem: 1025:0146
> >       Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
> >       Memory at fc300000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
> >       Capabilities: <access denied>
> >       Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
> >       Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
> >
> >  > grep ^Codec /proc/asound/card?/codec*
> >
> >  result:
> >  /proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: Realtek ALC889
> >  /proc/asound/card0/codec#1:Codec: LSI ID 1040
>
> The Realtek ALC889 codec is the one for your soundcard. The LSI ID 1040
> codec has something to do with a sound component for the onboard winmodem.
>
> >  > All the best.
> >  >
> >  > Nigel.
> >
> >  I hope the info above is helpfull because i still have no sound at all.
> >  (ps: thx for the help!)
> >
> >  Karl,
>
> Hi Karl. Everything above appears to be ok. All modules are loaded, and the
> soundcard is detected. Looking in /etc/group my user name is not on the
> audio group, and yet the sounds are working for me. it may be worth adding
> your user name to the audio group in /etc/group, which should look like
> this, as below. Just change the user name, which is mine.
>
> audio: x: 29: djmons
==> done, but no result.

> Then logout, and login, or reboot, and see if anything has changed.
>
> You can also download a shellscript from the link below. When run this will
> pick up info about your machine, and all sound related stuff. As default it
> will upload it to a website, just post back the link to the site in your
> reply.
>
> http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh
>
> Using save as, save the script as alsa-info.sh, and make it executable. Cd
> to where the script is saved in Konsole, and run it as.
> ./alsa-info.sh
>
> Just paste the link to the website, where it's been uploaded to in your
> reply.
>
> I'll post the info to the alsa development list, or you can if you're
> subscribed, and we'll see if we can get your sounds working.
>
> All the best.
>
> Nigel.

Nigel,
The ALSA information is located at 
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=be2b03e6019904df43e68328594bb1b9e6d95f3a

(ps: i'm not subscribed to the als list)

Regards, Karl
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From mailers at oranged.to  Thu Nov 27 09:18:09 2008
From: mailers at oranged.to (Jimmy Stewpot)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:18:09 +0000
Subject: kde 4 hotkeys in intrepid
Message-ID: <492E65D1.80501@oranged.to>

Hello,

I have recently updated my kubuntu install to include the 4.1.3 packages 
  from Updates. Since installing these packages my hotkeys no longer 
work. for example I have the view desktop grid set as CTRL + TAB and its 
shown in the hotkeys as being set but when I attempt to use it nothing 
happens. The only hotkey that appears to work is to view the dashboard. 
Has anyone else had similar problems?

Regards,

Jimmy



From arnaud.bourree at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 09:27:26 2008
From: arnaud.bourree at gmail.com (Arnaud bourree)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:27:26 +0100
Subject: Check Point VPN-1 on Kubuntu 8.04
Message-ID: <ac06429e0811270127y3dd7cc6gbc4451145a928f96@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Does anybody find Check Point VPN-1 version for Linux or a compatible one?

Regards,

Arnaud.
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From magick.crow at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 09:35:11 2008
From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:35:11 +0100
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <200811261249.05184.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811261036.34695.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811261113.44238.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811261249.05184.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f495db580811270135u47e9c969j594676367e45021a@mail.gmail.com>

> What I did not know was whether the two GUI managers stored the additional
> aptitude info or just the apt-get.

Aptitude is a gui manager.


-- 
Douglas E Knapp

http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 27 10:50:05 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:50:05 +0000
Subject: unwanted package upgrades
Message-ID: <200811271050.05749.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

If there is a package such as the ssh packages that I have 
no use for (AFAICT) and would like to not have installed or 
enabled on my pc say for better security, is there any way 
to instruct Adept Notifier or any other similar package 
update mgr that I do not wish to upgrade and remove it from 
the list of available upgrades. Or is this a dumb question 
and if the original package is not installed then there 
would be no option to upgrade.

If that is the case, how can I determine if it is safe to 
remove such a package.

nepal.



From jonorland at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 12:13:15 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:13:15 +0100
Subject: kde 4 hotkeys in intrepid
In-Reply-To: <492E65D1.80501@oranged.to>
References: <492E65D1.80501@oranged.to>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811270413k4ee727d0mf075102cfb49eb0e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/27 Jimmy Stewpot <mailers at oranged.to>:
> Hello,
>
> I have recently updated my kubuntu install to include the 4.1.3 packages
>  from Updates. Since installing these packages my hotkeys no longer
> work. for example I have the view desktop grid set as CTRL + TAB and its
> shown in the hotkeys as being set but when I attempt to use it nothing
> happens. The only hotkey that appears to work is to view the dashboard.
> Has anyone else had similar problems?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jimmy
>

Khotkeys in KDE4 is broken. Dont try to use it or you may end up with
the other keyboard shortkeys stop working to. It happened to me and
only the solution was to delete the config files so it would
regenerate a new default settings.

Search this mail-list or KDE bugs for more info.

/ Jonas



From mailers at oranged.to  Thu Nov 27 13:44:56 2008
From: mailers at oranged.to (Jimmy Stewpot)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:44:56 +0000
Subject: kde 4 hotkeys in intrepid
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811270413k4ee727d0mf075102cfb49eb0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <492E65D1.80501@oranged.to>
	<b8d784880811270413k4ee727d0mf075102cfb49eb0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492EA458.3040706@oranged.to>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/27 Jimmy Stewpot <mailers at oranged.to>:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have recently updated my kubuntu install to include the 4.1.3 packages
>>  from Updates. Since installing these packages my hotkeys no longer
>> work. for example I have the view desktop grid set as CTRL + TAB and its
>> shown in the hotkeys as being set but when I attempt to use it nothing
>> happens. The only hotkey that appears to work is to view the dashboard.
>> Has anyone else had similar problems?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jimmy
>>
> 
> Khotkeys in KDE4 is broken. Dont try to use it or you may end up with
> the other keyboard shortkeys stop working to. It happened to me and
> only the solution was to delete the config files so it would
> regenerate a new default settings.
> 
> Search this mail-list or KDE bugs for more info.
> 
> / Jonas
> 
Thanks for your response. Which config files should I delete the ones 
for khotkeys or something else?

Regards,

Jimmy.



From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr  Thu Nov 27 18:56:35 2008
From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:56:35 +0100
Subject: Sound problem  (Acer 6920 with Kubuntu Intrepid)
In-Reply-To: <200811270908.43048.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
References: <200811261557.02530.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
	<200811270023.20520.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
	<200811270908.43048.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <200811271956.35212.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>

On Thursday 27 November 2008 09:08, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote:
> On Thursday 27 November 2008 00:23:20 Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Wednesday 26 November 2008 22:17, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 26 November 2008 19:31:12 Nigel Henry wrote:
> > >  > On Wednesday 26 November 2008 15:57, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote:
> > >  > Hi,
> > >  >
> > >  > I'm currently  running Kubuntu intrepid on my acer 6920.
> > >  > Although it looks like kubuntu detected the sound system... there's
> > >  > no
> > >  >
> > > > > sound at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Hi Karl.
> > > >
> > > > As I seem to be on a roll at the moment, with helping folks with
> > > > sound problems, let's go for it.
> > > >
> > > > First, to check that nothing is muted, open Alsamixer on the CLI
> > > > (Konsole), and check that no controls are muted, and sliders like
> > > > Master, PCM, Front, and CD are up.
> > >
> > > Master:89  /  Headphone:00 /  PCM:100<>100  /  Front: 81<>81  /  ...
> > > / ==> not sure what this is... IEC958:00  /  IEC958 D :00
> > >
> > > > You may have to set a model option for snd-hda-intel to get the sound
> > > > working on your machine. Open Konsole, then, sudo kate (or kwrite if
> > > > it's installed), then navigate to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. Now add
> > > > the following line to the alsa-base file.
> > > >
> > > > options snd-hda-intel model=acer-aspire
> > >
> > > I've added:
> > > #aanpassingen:
> > > options snd-hda-intel model=acer-aspire
> > >
> > > > Save the changes, and reboot. Open alsamixer again, and make sure
> > > > nothings muted and the sliders mentioned above are up.
> > > >
> > > > Usually I check out if the sounds working with an audio cd, and Kscd,
> > > > but you usually get sounds when logging in, if the sounds are up and
> > > > running.
> > > >
> > > > Let's go with the stuff above for the moment, and see how it goes.
> > > >
> > > > You could also post the output of the following commands.
> > > >
> > > > cat /proc/asound/cards
> > >
> > > result:
> > > 0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
> > >                       HDA Intel at 0xfc300000 irq 22
> > >
> > > > cat /proc/asound/version            (this should be 1.0.17)
> > >
> > > result:
> > > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.17.
> > >
> > > > > lsmod | grep snd
> > >
> > > result:
> > > snd_hda_intel         381488  1
> > > snd_pcm_oss            46848  0
> > > snd_mixer_oss          22784  1 snd_pcm_oss
> > > snd_pcm                83204  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
> > > snd_seq_dummy          10884  0
> > > snd_seq_oss            38528  0
> > > snd_seq_midi           14336  0
> > > snd_rawmidi            29824  1 snd_seq_midi
> > > snd_seq_midi_event     15232  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
> > > snd_seq                57776  6
> > > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
> > > snd_timer              29960  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
> > > snd_seq_device         15116  5
> > > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
> > > snd                    63268  11
> > > snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi
> > >,s nd seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore              15328  1 snd
> > > snd_page_alloc         16136  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
> > >
> > > > > lspci -vn      (just the bit for the soundcard)
> > >
> > > result:
> > > 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
> > >       Subsystem: 1025:0146
> > >       Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
> > >       Memory at fc300000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
> > >       Capabilities: <access denied>
> > >       Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
> > >       Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
> > >
> > >  > grep ^Codec /proc/asound/card?/codec*
> > >
> > >  result:
> > >  /proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: Realtek ALC889
> > >  /proc/asound/card0/codec#1:Codec: LSI ID 1040
> >
> > The Realtek ALC889 codec is the one for your soundcard. The LSI ID 1040
> > codec has something to do with a sound component for the onboard
> > winmodem.
> >
> > >  > All the best.
> > >  >
> > >  > Nigel.
> > >
> > >  I hope the info above is helpfull because i still have no sound at
> > > all. (ps: thx for the help!)
> > >
> > >  Karl,
> >
> > Hi Karl. Everything above appears to be ok. All modules are loaded, and
> > the soundcard is detected. Looking in /etc/group my user name is not on
> > the audio group, and yet the sounds are working for me. it may be worth
> > adding your user name to the audio group in /etc/group, which should look
> > like this, as below. Just change the user name, which is mine.
> >
> > audio: x: 29: djmons
>
> ==> done, but no result.
>
> > Then logout, and login, or reboot, and see if anything has changed.
> >
> > You can also download a shellscript from the link below. When run this
> > will pick up info about your machine, and all sound related stuff. As
> > default it will upload it to a website, just post back the link to the
> > site in your reply.
> >
> > http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh
> >
> > Using save as, save the script as alsa-info.sh, and make it executable.
> > Cd to where the script is saved in Konsole, and run it as.
> > ./alsa-info.sh
> >
> > Just paste the link to the website, where it's been uploaded to in your
> > reply.
> >
> > I'll post the info to the alsa development list, or you can if you're
> > subscribed, and we'll see if we can get your sounds working.
> >
> > All the best.
> >
> > Nigel.
>
> Nigel,
> The ALSA information is located at
> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=be2b03e6019904df43e68328594bb1b9e6d95f3a
>
> (ps: i'm not subscribed to the als list)
>
> Regards, Karl

Hi Karl.

Thanks for providing the link above. There's a lot of usefull info provided 
when running that script, but I can't see anything that shows itself as a 
problem with your sound not working.

You say that alsamixer has everything unmuted, and sliders like Master, PCM, 
Front, and CD are up. Have a look also in Kmix. On Intrepid, it doesn't open 
from the K menu for some strange reason, but if you click on the speaker icon 
in KDE's panel, there is a mixer button, which displays kmix. check that 
nothing is muted here, and that all sliders are up.

I've often seen problems with kmix, when it has the "restore volumes on login" 
box checked, but that was on earlier distros than Intrepid. What happened is 
that when booting up Alsa was started, and alsactrl restore was run, which 
restored the alsamixer settings from when you last shutdown. Now you login to 
KDE, and Kmix (if the "restore volumes on login" box is checked) resets the 
Alsamixer settings, to the settings that were in Kmix when you first 
installed Intrepid. I don't think that this is your problem, as I didn't have 
this problem on my Kubuntu Intrepid install, but is worth a look.

You could try changing the options line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.

Remove the model=acer-aspire bit, and replace it so the options line shows as 
below.

options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1

This will only use the first codec on the list, and in your case ALC889.

I doubt if there will be any changes with your sound problems, but one never 
knows.

As you see when receiving this reply, I have changed the subject line, which 
may bring someone else in, who also has an Acer 6920, and maybe has resolved 
any sound problems.

Hopefully we will get your sounds working.

Nigel.





From tuxebi at gmx.de  Thu Nov 27 19:13:11 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:13:11 +0100
Subject: Kubuntu Hardy KDE3.5.10 Error - KIOExec Malformed URL home:/.
In-Reply-To: <5a1f6bd00811260457g5c5d3e90p60e8581d2b9d33a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <492C93E9.3000500@sbcglobal.net>
	<5a1f6bd00811260457g5c5d3e90p60e8581d2b9d33a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ggmrg6$4uc$1@ger.gmane.org>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> When in Dolphin GUI and wanting to 'find' something, I get the error in
>> the subject.  It has been that way, for some time, but I have been
>> working on other things.  How can I get 'find' back?  Thanks!
> 
> In KDE 3.5, use konqueror instead.
> 
and you can continue to use konqueror, should you upgrade to 
Intrepid/KDE 4.1.3.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From herman.holmstrom at bostream.nu  Thu Nov 27 19:22:45 2008
From: herman.holmstrom at bostream.nu (Herman =?iso-8859-1?q?Holmstr=F6m?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:22:45 +0100
Subject: Resolution switching back to 1024x768
Message-ID: <200811272022.45474.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>

Hi!

Whenever I start up Kubuntu my resolution is 1024x768 and I need to open 
System Settings > Display for it to change to 1280x1024 (the resolution I 
want). I only need to open display settings for it to switch, so it IS set to 
1280x1024. Also, this alone, while annoying, is not that bad, but my PC 
freezes 50% of the times I switch resolution in Kubuntu. Are these known 
issues, or do I need to do something that.. I haven't done?

Thanks in advance.



From jonorland at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 20:38:27 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:38:27 +0100
Subject: kde 4 hotkeys in intrepid
In-Reply-To: <492EA458.3040706@oranged.to>
References: <492E65D1.80501@oranged.to>
	<b8d784880811270413k4ee727d0mf075102cfb49eb0e@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/11/27 Jimmy Stewpot <mailers at oranged.to>:
> Jonas Norlander wrote:
>> 2008/11/27 Jimmy Stewpot <mailers at oranged.to>:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have recently updated my kubuntu install to include the 4.1.3 packages
>>>  from Updates. Since installing these packages my hotkeys no longer
>>> work. for example I have the view desktop grid set as CTRL + TAB and its
>>> shown in the hotkeys as being set but when I attempt to use it nothing
>>> happens. The only hotkey that appears to work is to view the dashboard.
>>> Has anyone else had similar problems?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>
>> Khotkeys in KDE4 is broken. Dont try to use it or you may end up with
>> the other keyboard shortkeys stop working to. It happened to me and
>> only the solution was to delete the config files so it would
>> regenerate a new default settings.
>>
>> Search this mail-list or KDE bugs for more info.
>>
>> / Jonas
>>
> Thanks for your response. Which config files should I delete the ones
> for khotkeys or something else?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jimmy.
>

~/.kde/share/config/kglobalshortcutrc is one and it should be one more
but i don't remember its name, perhaps khotkeysrc but i don't have
that.

/ Jonas



From michael at weblore.com  Thu Nov 27 22:27:58 2008
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:27:58 -0600
Subject: Sound problem in Intrepid
Message-ID: <200811271627.58470.michael@weblore.com>

I just installed Intrepid on my laptop and did install the kubuntu extras. 
When I go to youtube, I get video, but no sound. I found the thread about 
editing firefoxrc, but that seems not to exist in this version of firefox.

Can anyone offer some help on how to get the sound going? 

Thanks in advance
---Michael




From juankawada at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 22:30:53 2008
From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:30:53 -0700
Subject: kde 4 panel
Message-ID: <e341b3860811271430v622329anad545186db10dcab@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, I accidentally deleted my main panel at the bottom of the screen. I
tried to make a new one but it's stuck at the top of screen. I'm able to
stretch it, but not move it. How do you move the panel? (obviously click and
drag doesn't work)

either i'm an idiot, or the developers are, because it should not be this
hard to move a panel.

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From d.mcglone at att.net  Thu Nov 27 22:56:40 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:56:40 -0500
Subject: Sound problem in Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <200811271627.58470.michael@weblore.com>
References: <200811271627.58470.michael@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <200811271756.40345.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Thursday 27 November 2008 5:27:58 pm Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> I just installed Intrepid on my laptop and did install the kubuntu extras.
> When I go to youtube, I get video, but no sound. I found the thread about
> editing firefoxrc, but that seems not to exist in this version of firefox.
>
> Can anyone offer some help on how to get the sound going?

Check your volume levels, make sure they aren't muted either.

-- 
David M.
http://www.dmcentral.net



From d.mcglone at att.net  Thu Nov 27 23:05:47 2008
From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:05:47 -0500
Subject: kde 4 panel
In-Reply-To: <e341b3860811271430v622329anad545186db10dcab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e341b3860811271430v622329anad545186db10dcab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811271805.47501.d.mcglone@att.net>

On Thursday 27 November 2008 5:30:53 pm Juan Kawada wrote:
> Hey, I accidentally deleted my main panel at the bottom of the screen. I
> tried to make a new one but it's stuck at the top of screen. I'm able to
> stretch it, but not move it. How do you move the panel? (obviously click
> and drag doesn't work)
>
> either i'm an idiot, or the developers are, because it should not be this
> hard to move a panel.

Unlock the widgets you will see a small half round icon on the very right edge 
off your panel. click on this and it will open a box on top of your panel. 
Drag this box around all 4 edges to move it to your desired position.

Don't forget to lock your widgets when your done.
-- 
David M.
http://www.dmcentral.net



From claydoh at midmaine.com  Thu Nov 27 23:12:40 2008
From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:12:40 -0500
Subject: kde 4 panel
In-Reply-To: <e341b3860811271430v622329anad545186db10dcab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e341b3860811271430v622329anad545186db10dcab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811271812.41338.claydoh@midmaine.com>

On Thursday 27 November 2008 5:30:53 pm Juan Kawada wrote:
> Hey, I accidentally deleted my main panel at the bottom of the screen. I
> tried to make a new one but it's stuck at the top of screen. I'm able to
> stretch it, but not move it. How do you move the panel? (obviously click
> and drag doesn't work)
>
> either i'm an idiot, or the developers are, because it should not be this
> hard to move a panel.

Once you click the 'cashew' thingy, click somewhere on the upper section ( the 
area with the 'add widgets/lock widgets/remove panels' buttons) and click-drag 
that around to move the panel.
 
-- 
Clay Weber
http://kubuntuforums.net
http://flyballmaine.com
http://emacdogsports.com



From juankawada at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 23:45:33 2008
From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:45:33 -0700
Subject: kde 4 panel
In-Reply-To: <200811271812.41338.claydoh@midmaine.com>
References: <e341b3860811271430v622329anad545186db10dcab@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811271812.41338.claydoh@midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <e341b3860811271545uc1c08bckb80a851b89a9119c@mail.gmail.com>

thats the one thing i didn't try. I managed to drag stretch the panel across
the whole screen but couldn't drag click anything.
So yeah turns out I'm an idiot, but wouldn't it be more intuitive if you
dragged the panel you want to move, and not the thing next to the panel you
want to move?  Either way KDE 4 is going to take some getting used to (for
me at least)

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Clay Weber <claydoh at midmaine.com> wrote:

> On Thursday 27 November 2008 5:30:53 pm Juan Kawada wrote:
> > Hey, I accidentally deleted my main panel at the bottom of the screen. I
> > tried to make a new one but it's stuck at the top of screen. I'm able to
> > stretch it, but not move it. How do you move the panel? (obviously click
> > and drag doesn't work)
> >
> > either i'm an idiot, or the developers are, because it should not be this
> > hard to move a panel.
>
> Once you click the 'cashew' thingy, click somewhere on the upper section (
> the
> area with the 'add widgets/lock widgets/remove panels' buttons) and
> click-drag
> that around to move the panel.
>
> --
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> http://emacdogsports.com
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From michael at weblore.com  Fri Nov 28 01:48:43 2008
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:48:43 -0600
Subject: Sound problem in Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <200811271756.40345.d.mcglone@att.net>
References: <200811271627.58470.michael@weblore.com>
	<200811271756.40345.d.mcglone@att.net>
Message-ID: <200811271948.43748.michael@weblore.com>

On Thursday 27 November 2008 04:56:40 pm David McGlone wrote:
> On Thursday 27 November 2008 5:27:58 pm Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> > I just installed Intrepid on my laptop and did install the kubuntu
> > extras. When I go to youtube, I get video, but no sound. I found the
> > thread about editing firefoxrc, but that seems not to exist in this
> > version of firefox.
> >
> > Can anyone offer some help on how to get the sound going?
>
> Check your volume levels, make sure they aren't muted either.

I'd already done that; it's not the problem.



From michael at weblore.com  Fri Nov 28 02:29:53 2008
From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:29:53 -0600
Subject: Need Kubuntu 8.04 DVD
Message-ID: <200811272029.53167.michael@weblore.com>

I need to download an 8.04 dvd. I can't find a torrent file for it anywhere. 
Can someone tell me where I can get it?



From stan10x10 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 02:48:32 2008
From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:48:32 -0500
Subject: asus 4850 work ?
Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0811271848h70f972b1t4d7ab1b1536bd6e3@mail.gmail.com>

I am fed up trying to get my nvidia 9700 to work under 8.10 and am
considering getting an asus top 4850 as I understand amd cards now work
better under Linux.  Anyone using one and what kind of lick are you having?
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From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Nov 28 02:51:39 2008
From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:51:39 +0000
Subject: Need Kubuntu 8.04 DVD
In-Reply-To: <200811272029.53167.michael@weblore.com>
References: <200811272029.53167.michael@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <492F5CBB.3050609@tiscali.co.uk>

Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> I need to download an 8.04 dvd. I can't find a torrent file for it anywhere. 
> Can someone tell me where I can get it?
>
>   
Here ya go:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/release/

Enjoy! :@)

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Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between.
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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Fri Nov 28 03:11:45 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:11:45 -0500
Subject: Need Kubuntu 8.04 DVD
In-Reply-To: <200811272029.53167.michael@weblore.com>
References: <200811272029.53167.michael@weblore.com>
Message-ID: <200811272211.45258.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Thursday 27 November 2008, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
>I need to download an 8.04 dvd. I can't find a torrent file for it anywhere.
>Can someone tell me where I can get it?

The last I grabbed was the torrent for 8.04-1, which is the respin with all 
updates to the date of the respin.  That would save a gigabyte of upgrade 
downloads over the regular 8.04.  On my slow dsl, about 13 hours to get the 
whole thing.

-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity.  Another man's, I mean.
		-- Mark Twain



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 03:25:08 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:25:08 -0500
Subject: package managers
In-Reply-To: <f495db580811270135u47e9c969j594676367e45021a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811252013.09220.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<200811261036.34695.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<200811261113.44238.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811261249.05184.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<f495db580811270135u47e9c969j594676367e45021a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811271925jbca494ar9e03c85be83434e6@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What I did not know was whether the two GUI managers stored the additional
>> aptitude info or just the apt-get.
>
> Aptitude is a gui manager.

Well perhaps, but that is like saying emacs is a gui editor.


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From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 10:01:45 2008
From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:01:45 +0300
Subject: kde 4 panel
In-Reply-To: <e341b3860811271545uc1c08bckb80a851b89a9119c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e341b3860811271430v622329anad545186db10dcab@mail.gmail.com>	<200811271812.41338.claydoh@midmaine.com>
	<e341b3860811271545uc1c08bckb80a851b89a9119c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492FC189.6000607@gmail.com>

Juan Kawada wrote:
> thats the one thing i didn't try. I managed to drag stretch the panel 
> across the whole screen but couldn't drag click anything.
> So yeah turns out I'm an idiot, but wouldn't it be more intuitive if 
> you dragged the panel you want to move, and not the thing next to the 
> panel you want to move?  Either way KDE 4 is going to take some 
> getting used to (for me at least)
>
http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ

My panel is gone, how do I get it back?
kquitapp plasma; rm $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-appletsrc; plasma

This deletes your plasma settings, so you'll get the default 
configuration back. The panel-vanishing-on-crash issue was fixed just 
after 4.0.0's release. If running all the 3 commands at once doesn't 
work, try typing them in manually and wait a few seconds before running 
the next command.



From mailers at oranged.to  Fri Nov 28 10:16:31 2008
From: mailers at oranged.to (Jimmy Stewpot)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:16:31 +0000
Subject: kde 4 hotkeys in intrepid
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811271238l3e35cd7fg50d6b675d87112a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <492E65D1.80501@oranged.to>	<b8d784880811270413k4ee727d0mf075102cfb49eb0e@mail.gmail.com>	<492EA458.3040706@oranged.to>
	<b8d784880811271238l3e35cd7fg50d6b675d87112a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492FC4FF.2030708@oranged.to>

I have tried deleting the files and my short cuts then I reset the short 
cuts and it still does not resolve the issue. I will experiment with 
some options and possibly raise or add to existing KDE bug reports.

thanks for your assistance.



From tuxebi at gmx.de  Fri Nov 28 11:38:47 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:38:47 +0100
Subject: Resolution switching back to 1024x768
In-Reply-To: <200811272022.45474.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
References: <200811272022.45474.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
Message-ID: <ggol86$i3v$1@ger.gmane.org>

Herman Holmström wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Whenever I start up Kubuntu my resolution is 1024x768 and I need to open 
> System Settings > Display for it to change to 1280x1024 (the resolution I 
> want). I only need to open display settings for it to switch, so it IS set to 
> 1280x1024. Also, this alone, while annoying, is not that bad, but my PC 
> freezes 50% of the times I switch resolution in Kubuntu. Are these known 
> issues, or do I need to do something that.. I haven't done?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
Do you happen to know your ubuntu version and the graphics board that 
you are using? ;-))).

Kind regards
Eberhard




From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 12:06:44 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:06:44 +0100
Subject: Resolution switching back to 1024x768
In-Reply-To: <ggol86$i3v$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <200811272022.45474.herman.holmstrom@bostream.nu>
	<ggol86$i3v$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811280406h3dbddd30t4fa7e5db7e1801fc@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/28 Eberhard Roloff <tuxebi at gmx.de>:
> Herman Holmström wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Whenever I start up Kubuntu my resolution is 1024x768 and I need to open
>> System Settings > Display for it to change to 1280x1024 (the resolution I
>> want). I only need to open display settings for it to switch, so it IS set to
>> 1280x1024. Also, this alone, while annoying, is not that bad, but my PC
>> freezes 50% of the times I switch resolution in Kubuntu. Are these known
>> issues, or do I need to do something that.. I haven't done?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
> Do you happen to know your ubuntu version and the graphics board that
> you are using? ;-))).
>
> Kind regards
> Eberhard
>
>

And what driver for that board and the model of the monitor. It could
be that the default/preferred resolution for the monitor is 1024x768
and if you don't specify your resolution in xorg.conf it will fall
back to default.

/ Jonas

From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 12:09:25 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:09:25 +0100
Subject: kde 4 hotkeys in intrepid
In-Reply-To: <492FC4FF.2030708@oranged.to>
References: <492E65D1.80501@oranged.to>
	<b8d784880811270413k4ee727d0mf075102cfb49eb0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<492EA458.3040706@oranged.to>
	<b8d784880811271238l3e35cd7fg50d6b675d87112a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<492FC4FF.2030708@oranged.to>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811280409s31f2f26cr277db6e2f6218419@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/28 Jimmy Stewpot <mailers at oranged.to>:
> I have tried deleting the files and my short cuts then I reset the short
> cuts and it still does not resolve the issue. I will experiment with
> some options and possibly raise or add to existing KDE bug reports.
>
> thanks for your assistance.
>

The bugs is this:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160892
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165441

There is a good explanation there why it don't work.

/ Jonas



From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 12:16:11 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:16:11 +0100
Subject: asus 4850 work ?
In-Reply-To: <69c7ddfb0811271848h70f972b1t4d7ab1b1536bd6e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69c7ddfb0811271848h70f972b1t4d7ab1b1536bd6e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811280416r783353f7i5b18ccc2ccae6cda@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/28 uriah heep <stan10x10 at gmail.com>:
> I am fed up trying to get my nvidia 9700 to work under 8.10 and am
> considering getting an asus top 4850 as I understand amd cards now work
> better under Linux.  Anyone using one and what kind of lick are you having?
>

I'm have a nvidia 9800 GT and it work OK for me with the up to date
Intrepid nvidia driver. The only really anoying bug still there is the
bitmap corruption, but i can live with that. I have no experience with
ATI so i cant comment on that but what little i have read they have
problems/bugs to with KDE4.

/ Jonas



From dave at thefletchers.net  Fri Nov 28 15:25:01 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:25:01 +0000
Subject: Internal laptop WiFi cards
Message-ID: <200811281525.08866.dave@thefletchers.net>

I would like to try fitting an internal WiFi card into my laptop (Toshiba 
Satellite 2410 P4), but due to the awkward arrangement with the antenna (very 
short cables) I find myself severely restricted in my choice of suitable 
looking cards.

The Samsung SWL-2700M looks like it's designed to fit my machine, but can 
anybody please tell me, before I order one, if it's likely to work with 
Hardy?

Thanks for any advice.

Dave


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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 16:10:31 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:10:31 +0200
Subject: Internal laptop WiFi cards
In-Reply-To: <200811281525.08866.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <200811281525.08866.dave@thefletchers.net>
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2008/11/28 David Fletcher <dave at thefletchers.net>:
> I would like to try fitting an internal WiFi card into my laptop (Toshiba
> Satellite 2410 P4), but due to the awkward arrangement with the antenna (very
> short cables) I find myself severely restricted in my choice of suitable
> looking cards.
>
> The Samsung SWL-2700M looks like it's designed to fit my machine, but can
> anybody please tell me, before I order one, if it's likely to work with
> Hardy?
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Dave
>

I could not find anything relating that card to either Ubuntu or to
Linux. I suggest that you ask these guys if the card will work with
Ubuntu:
http://www.samsung.com/il/support/contactus.do

By asking them you are letting them know that Linux support will help
them make sales. The hardware companies will never know that we need
Linux support if we don't ask for it: they cannot read our minds and
their "MS Partners" are busy trying to convince them otherwise.

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From dave at thefletchers.net  Fri Nov 28 17:17:54 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:17:54 +0000
Subject: Internal laptop WiFi cards
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811280810i74e6c6f9t5adf83e3cfcf2298@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811281525.08866.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<880dece00811280810i74e6c6f9t5adf83e3cfcf2298@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811281718.00353.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Friday 28 Nov 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/28 David Fletcher <dave at thefletchers.net>:
> > I would like to try fitting an internal WiFi card into my laptop (Toshiba
> > Satellite 2410 P4), but due to the awkward arrangement with the antenna 
(very
> > short cables) I find myself severely restricted in my choice of suitable
> > looking cards.
> >
> > The Samsung SWL-2700M looks like it's designed to fit my machine, but can
> > anybody please tell me, before I order one, if it's likely to work with
> > Hardy?
> >
> > Thanks for any advice.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> 
> I could not find anything relating that card to either Ubuntu or to

Neither could I - I did search for it before asking here.

The only other option I have, I think, is to get out the wire cutters and 
soldering iron and try to extend the antenna loop wires. It's reckoned that 
an Intel 2915ABG board will work with kubuntu.

Dave


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From tuxebi at gmx.de  Fri Nov 28 18:11:24 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:11:24 +0100
Subject: web radio
Message-ID: <ggpc8h$i2$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi,

I would like to record this stream.

http://www.falconradio.org/

When I open the live stream, totem (crazy, but it is totem on kubuntu!!) 
opens the stream and plays the music nicely.

Problem: I would like to record the stream to harddisk.

I tried with totem to record it, but did not find an option or a 
commandline parameter for this.

Also tried with vlc, kmplayer, xine, kaffeine, dragon and mplayer

None of these could even play the stream.

Fwiw,

I also installed Windows Media Player, winamp and quicktime under wine.
Of these three, only quicktime could play the stream, but the sound is 
more than flaky. Much worse, in order to record it, Apple announces the 
Pro Version, of which I have no clue whether it works with wine and $40 
also is not what I would like to spend for a flaky sounding windows app.
The others also failed to open the stream.

I googled but to no avail.

Any idea?

My system fyi:
Kubuntu 8.10, fully upgraded, medibuntu repositories enabled and 
anything from medibuntu including mplayer, codecs, quicktime and 
anything else I could think of installed.

Thanks much for your help

Eberhard




From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 28 18:52:15 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:52:15 -0600
Subject: web radio
In-Reply-To: <ggpc8h$i2$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <ggpc8h$i2$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811281252.16052.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

On Friday 28 November 2008 12:11:24 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to record this stream.
>
> http://www.falconradio.org/
>
> When I open the live stream, totem (crazy, but it is totem on kubuntu!!)
> opens the stream and plays the music nicely.
>
> Problem: I would like to record the stream to harddisk.
>
> I tried with totem to record it, but did not find an option or a
> commandline parameter for this.
>
> Also tried with vlc, kmplayer, xine, kaffeine, dragon and mplayer
>
> None of these could even play the stream.

I forget what xmms changed its name to, but you could try that.  I used to be 
able to do what you're trying to do on it.



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 20:17:35 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:17:35 -0500
Subject: Resolution switching back to 1024x768
Message-ID: <200811281517.43318.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Thursday 27 November 2008 14:22:45 Herman Holmström wrote:
> Whenever I start up Kubuntu my resolution is 1024x768 and I need to open
> System Settings > Display for it to change to 1280x1024 (the resolution I
> want). I only need to open display settings for it to switch, so it IS set
> to 1280x1024. Also, this alone, while annoying, is not that bad, but my PC
> freezes 50% of the times I switch resolution in Kubuntu. Are these known
> issues, or do I need to do something that.. I haven't done?

I have a similar problem which I had chalked up to the kvm switch because it 
plagued multiple distros, versions, and even a WinXP box. Kubuntu Feisty 
through Hardy, and Hardy kdm4, Ubuntu Gutsy through Intrepid.  Three 
different boxes, different graphics cards, etc.  The only thing they all 
share is the kvm switch.

I find that if the resolution is wrong in kdm/gdm, ctrl+alt+backspace makes it 
come back when X restarts.  (No such thing in Windows, unfortunately.)  I 
would
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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 20:18:21 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:18:21 -0500
Subject: web radio
Message-ID: <200811281518.22031.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Friday 28 November 2008 13:11:24 Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> I would like to record this stream.
>
> http://www.falconradio.org/
>
> When I open the live stream, totem (crazy, but it is totem on kubuntu!!)
> opens the stream and plays the music nicely.
>
> Problem: I would like to record the stream to harddisk.
>
> I tried with totem to record it, but did not find an option or a
> commandline parameter for this.
>
> Also tried with vlc, kmplayer, xine, kaffeine, dragon and mplayer
>
> None of these could even play the stream.

man mplayer
man mencoder
sudo aptitude install audacity
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From jonorland at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 20:51:30 2008
From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:51:30 +0100
Subject: web radio
In-Reply-To: <200811281518.22031.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811281518.22031.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8d784880811281251w3f926221w346740ff21eae605@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/28 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> On Friday 28 November 2008 13:11:24 Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> I would like to record this stream.
>>
>> http://www.falconradio.org/
>>
>> When I open the live stream, totem (crazy, but it is totem on kubuntu!!)
>> opens the stream and plays the music nicely.
>>
>> Problem: I would like to record the stream to harddisk.
>>
>> I tried with totem to record it, but did not find an option or a
>> commandline parameter for this.
>>
>> Also tried with vlc, kmplayer, xine, kaffeine, dragon and mplayer
>>
>> None of these could even play the stream.
>
> man mplayer
> man mencoder
> sudo aptitude install audacity
>

I'm not sure i understan what you want but have you tried streamripper
or kstreamripper?

/ Jonas



From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl  Sat Nov 29 16:14:39 2008
From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:14:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Internal laptop WiFi cards
References: <200811281525.08866.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<880dece00811280810i74e6c6f9t5adf83e3cfcf2298@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811281718.00353.dave@thefletchers.net>
Message-ID: <ggrppf$5ca$1@ger.gmane.org>

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:17:54 +0000, David Fletcher wrote:

> On Friday 28 Nov 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> 2008/11/28 David Fletcher <dave at thefletchers.net>:
>> > I would like to try fitting an internal WiFi card into my laptop
>> > (Toshiba Satellite 2410 P4), but due to the awkward arrangement with
>> > the antenna
> (very
>> > short cables) I find myself severely restricted in my choice of
>> > suitable looking cards.
>> >
>> > The Samsung SWL-2700M looks like it's designed to fit my machine, but
>> > can anybody please tell me, before I order one, if it's likely to
>> > work with Hardy?
>> >
>> > Thanks for any advice.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> I could not find anything relating that card to either Ubuntu or to
> 
> Neither could I - I did search for it before asking here.
> 
> The only other option I have, I think, is to get out the wire cutters
> and soldering iron and try to extend the antenna loop wires. It's
> reckoned that an Intel 2915ABG board will work with kubuntu.
> 
> Dave

Maybe you could buy a longer cable?
( http://www.data-alliance.net/servlet/the-ANTENNA-CABLES/Categories )

Good luck!

    -Frans




From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com  Sat Nov 29 16:18:09 2008
From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:18:09 +0000
Subject: USB floppy disc drive
Message-ID: <49316B41.1060400@btinternet.com>

Can somebody tell me or tell me where to look for the kubuntu /etc/fstab 
incantation to mount
a USB floppy drive please, I've got half a dozen floppies of midi files 
to get into  my machine.
ta
Brian W



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 29 17:01:55 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:01:55 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu Hardy won't play .bin movie?
Message-ID: <49317583.7000207@sbcglobal.net>

I am previewing a movie for my grandbabies.  It is a Nancy Drew 
Mystery.  I is a Rar file that has a file association of .bin.  I 
Googled for the correct player which was Helix.  I installed but the 
player does not work.  It suggests it is missing  bin  .  Can't find a 
missing dependency.

Steven



From a.mani.cms at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 17:03:12 2008
From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:33:12 +0530
Subject: Drive errors
In-Reply-To: <200810181330.06733.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>
References: <200810171838.23910.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>
	<200810180955.27235.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>
	<gdc9cc$fra$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200810181330.06733.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>
Message-ID: <78323d480811290903neeff07fha6371e002214d135@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Mark Fraser
<kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> wrote:

> As an update, my computer locked up again this morning (nothing worked and
> something was constantly accessing one of my drives). When I rebooted and
> check smartctrl again I did see some errors:
>
> Error 176 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 2959 hours (123 days + 7 hours)
> When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or
> idle.
>

You cannot be sure. With seagate SATA drives, people get all kinds of
problems due to a kernel or firmware issue. Actually it is a cross
platform problem

You can try disabling write-cache.

#sudo hdparm -W0 /dev/sdb


But your drive is dying apparently. Is it?

Best

A. Mani


-- 
A. Mani
Member, Cal. Math. Soc



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 29 17:07:20 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:07:20 -0500
Subject: New multiple desktop settings won't take effect.
Message-ID: <493176C8.30401@sbcglobal.net>

I have tried to apply additional Desktops in Hardy KDE3.5.10. 

Currently on my desktop it shows 2 desktops.  In System Settings, while 
2 desktops show on my desktop, it says only one is present.  
Additionally, I have attempted to have 4 desktops.  I click on apply to 
make the change, but when I try to use them, only 2 show on the desktop 
and only 1 shows in system settings.  They never apply even though I 
have tried to reboot to set them.  Any suggestions?  TIA

Steven



From jlwallen at monkeypantz.net  Sat Nov 29 17:20:56 2008
From: jlwallen at monkeypantz.net (jack wallen)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:20:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Kubuntu Hardy won't play .bin movie?
Message-ID: <52965.70.147.67.155.1227979256.squirrel@monkeypantz.net>

> I am previewing a movie for my grandbabies.  It is a Nancy Drew
> Mystery.  I is a Rar file that has a file association of .bin.  I
Googled for the correct player which was Helix.  I installed but the
player does not work.  It suggests it is missing  bin  .  Can't find a
missing dependency.
>
> Steven
>
give VLC a try. Helix is a pretty flaky player and often won't play file
types it claims it can play.

-- 
jack wallen, jr
sooooooooo yeah
monkeypantz.net







From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 29 17:28:42 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:28:42 -0500
Subject: When I attempt to use Tools>Find, I get Malformed URL home:/.
Message-ID: <49317BCA.4030107@sbcglobal.net>

Been this way a long time.  Error - KIOExec.  How do I repair?

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 29 17:42:23 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:42:23 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu Hardy won't play .bin movie?
In-Reply-To: <52965.70.147.67.155.1227979256.squirrel@monkeypantz.net>
References: <52965.70.147.67.155.1227979256.squirrel@monkeypantz.net>
Message-ID: <49317EFF.2010702@sbcglobal.net>

jack wallen wrote:
>> I am previewing a movie for my grandbabies.  It is a Nancy Drew
>> Mystery.  I is a Rar file that has a file association of .bin.  I
>>     
> Googled for the correct player which was Helix.  I installed but the
> player does not work.  It suggests it is missing  bin  .  Can't find a
> missing dependency.
>   
>> Steven
>>
>>     
> give VLC a try. Helix is a pretty flaky player and often won't play file
> types it claims it can play.
>
>   
Hi Jack,

It didn't work.  I could see that it was trying, however what looked 
like a skin for the player briefly came and went, but the program never 
opened.  There are a lot of other vlc packages; I just installed the vlc 
player. are there other required dependencies to make it work?  Thanks 
for the prompt help, friend.

You don't happen to be related to Fennel and Phylis Wallen, rip.  
Phyllis was a master copper enamelist and my best friend for about 15 years.

Steven



From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com  Sat Nov 29 17:46:53 2008
From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:46:53 +0000
Subject: Javascript Problem With Firefox 3.0
Message-ID: <20081129174653.6daeba66@graham-desktop>

Whenever I run Firefox, I get the following Javascript error message:

[Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80570016
(NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]"  nsresult:
"0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame ::
chrome://speeddial/content/speeddialOverlay.js :: anonymous :: line
1017"  data: no]

What does it mean and what should I do to correct it?

-- 
Graham Todd




From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com  Sat Nov 29 17:52:25 2008
From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:52:25 +0000
Subject: Kubuntu Hardy won't play .bin movie?
In-Reply-To: <52965.70.147.67.155.1227979256.squirrel@monkeypantz.net>
References: <52965.70.147.67.155.1227979256.squirrel@monkeypantz.net>
Message-ID: <20081129175225.3f5f9aaf@graham-desktop>

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:20:56 -0500 (EST)
"jack wallen" <jlwallen at monkeypantz.net> wrote:

> > I am previewing a movie for my grandbabies.  It is a Nancy Drew
> > Mystery.  I is a Rar file that has a file association of .bin.  I
> Googled for the correct player which was Helix.  I installed but the
> player does not work.  It suggests it is missing  bin  .  Can't find a
> missing dependency.
> >
> > Steven
> >
> give VLC a try. Helix is a pretty flaky player and often won't play
> file types it claims it can play.
> 
Try downloading alien and the .rpm for Helix Player, the create a .deb
using alien and run it.  Always worked for me, but you might be better
off trying RealPlayer as its based on Helix.

-- 
Graham Todd




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Sat Nov 29 18:35:47 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:35:47 +0100
Subject: web radio
In-Reply-To: <200811281252.16052.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
References: <ggpc8h$i2$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<200811281252.16052.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ggs223$598$1@ger.gmane.org>

Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
> On Friday 28 November 2008 12:11:24 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to record this stream.
>>
>> http://www.falconradio.org/
>>
>> When I open the live stream, totem (crazy, but it is totem on kubuntu!!)
>> opens the stream and plays the music nicely.
>>
>> Problem: I would like to record the stream to harddisk.
>>
>> I tried with totem to record it, but did not find an option or a
>> commandline parameter for this.
>>
>> Also tried with vlc, kmplayer, xine, kaffeine, dragon and mplayer
>>
>> None of these could even play the stream.
> 
> I forget what xmms changed its name to, but you could try that.  I used to be 
> able to do what you're trying to do on it.
> 
Actually for most of my webradio needs I use mplayer and I used to do 
what I am trying to do on it. But it does not even play this one. If it 
would, it would be trivial to record it.

Afaik xmms2 and audacious are successors of xmms, but these ones do not 
even play the stream.

Thanks very much for trying to help me.

Kind regards
Eberhard




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Sat Nov 29 18:44:50 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:44:50 +0100
Subject: web radio
In-Reply-To: <200811281518.22031.art.alexion@gmail.com>
References: <200811281518.22031.art.alexion@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ggs2j2$752$1@ger.gmane.org>

Art Alexion wrote:
> On Friday 28 November 2008 13:11:24 Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> I would like to record this stream.
>>
>> http://www.falconradio.org/
>>
>> When I open the live stream, totem (crazy, but it is totem on kubuntu!!)
>> opens the stream and plays the music nicely.
>>
>> Problem: I would like to record the stream to harddisk.
>>
>> I tried with totem to record it, but did not find an option or a
>> commandline parameter for this.
>>
>> Also tried with vlc, kmplayer, xine, kaffeine, dragon and mplayer
>>
>> None of these could even play the stream.
> 
> man mplayer
> man mencoder

thanks much for letting me know how to read man pages?

However I already did this for some hours and I could not find anything 
helpful in there that would let me play THIS stream with mencoder/mplayer.

Could you possibly be a little more specific?

> sudo aptitude install audacity

Thanks, this one does not even open THIS stream.

Kind regards and thank you very much
Eberhard
> 




From tuxebi at gmx.de  Sat Nov 29 18:54:20 2008
From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:54:20 +0100
Subject: web radio
In-Reply-To: <b8d784880811281251w3f926221w346740ff21eae605@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811281518.22031.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811281251w3f926221w346740ff21eae605@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ggs34r$8at$1@ger.gmane.org>

Jonas Norlander wrote:
> 2008/11/28 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
>> On Friday 28 November 2008 13:11:24 Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>> I would like to record this stream.
>>>
>>> http://www.falconradio.org/

>>
> 
> I'm not sure i understan what you want 
Easy,
I want to listen to THIS stream and, at the same time, record THIS 
stream to my disk. Totem seems to do the former, but I do not find a 
solution for the latter.


but have you tried streamripper
> or kstreamripper?
> 
Yes, it did not work here.

Thanks much for your help

Eberhard




From alain.muls at telenet.be  Sat Nov 29 19:15:22 2008
From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:15:22 +0100
Subject: script for setting proxy in KDE4.1
Message-ID: <200811292015.22823.alain.muls@telenet.be>

Hi

Has anyone a script to set the proxy on or off and to a specific value in 
KDE4.1? Or does anyone know how to modify which *rc file that controls this 
setting in KDE4.1

Tx/Alain

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From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 19:21:20 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:21:20 -0500
Subject: web radio
In-Reply-To: <ggs34r$8at$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <200811281518.22031.art.alexion@gmail.com>
	<b8d784880811281251w3f926221w346740ff21eae605@mail.gmail.com>
	<ggs34r$8at$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <5a1f6bd00811291121n70a1bb41y54cec473ec25a8c4@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Eberhard Roloff <tuxebi at gmx.de> wrote:
> Jonas Norlander wrote:
>> 2008/11/28 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
>>> On Friday 28 November 2008 13:11:24 Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>>>> I would like to record this stream.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.falconradio.org/
>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure i understan what you want
> Easy,
> I want to listen to THIS stream and, at the same time, record THIS
> stream to my disk. Totem seems to do the former, but I do not find a
> solution for the latter.

If I recall correctly, I think Totem uses gstreamer while the others
use xine.  If I am right, this codec plays with gstreamer, but not
xine.  See if you can figure out a recorder that uses gstreamer
instead of xine.



-- 

--
artAlexion
sent unsigned from webmail interface



From dave at thefletchers.net  Sat Nov 29 20:35:46 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:35:46 +0000
Subject: Internal laptop WiFi cards
In-Reply-To: <ggrppf$5ca$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <200811281525.08866.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<200811281718.00353.dave@thefletchers.net>
	<ggrppf$5ca$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200811292035.53308.dave@thefletchers.net>

On Saturday 29 Nov 2008, Frans wrote:
> 
> Maybe you could buy a longer cable?
> ( http://www.data-alliance.net/servlet/the-ANTENNA-CABLES/Categories )
> 
> Good luck!
> 
>     -Frans
> 
> 
> -- 
> kubuntu-users mailing list
> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
> 

No, it's not like that. So far as I know, the antenna is a loop of wire, 
wrapped around the inside of the laptop case. Somebody correct me if it's 
more than that.

To connect it to the internal WiFi card, there is a tiny connector crimped 
onto each of two wires, one black, one white. These wires emerge from 
somewhere in the case, into the cavity which also has a connector resembling 
a memory socket for fitting the card.

These wires are way too short in my case to connect them to any card I can 
find other than this Samsung model. If it doesn't work, the only way I can 
see to use another card that is known to work, is to chop and extend the 
wires. I'd rather risk a small sum of money first.

I've no idea whether it will work with Linux, but it should connect.

Will let the list know if it works or not.

Dave
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From kassube at gmx.net  Sat Nov 29 21:22:54 2008
From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:22:54 +0100
Subject: Internal laptop WiFi cards
In-Reply-To: <200811292035.53308.dave@thefletchers.net>
References: <200811281525.08866.dave@thefletchers.net>
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David Fletcher wrote:
> No, it's not like that. So far as I know, the antenna is a loop of
> wire, wrapped around the inside of the laptop case. Somebody correct me
> if it's more than that.

Actually there are usually 2 separate antennas. It wouldn't really work 
with a wire loop wrapped around the inside of the laptop case because the 
WLAN wavelength is too small (about 12cm).

> To connect it to the internal WiFi card, there is a tiny connector
> crimped onto each of two wires, one black, one white. These wires
> emerge from somewhere in the case, into the cavity which also has a
> connector resembling a memory socket for fitting the card.

That aren't simple wires but coaxial cables.

> These wires are way too short in my case to connect them to any card I
> can find other than this Samsung model. If it doesn't work, the only
> way I can see to use another card that is known to work, is to chop and
> extend the wires. I'd rather risk a small sum of money first.

Don't cut the cables - you can't extent them with simple wires. You would 
need extension cables with the appropriate connectoers on each end. 
However I can't tell you if such extension cables are available at all. 
But if you cut the cables you can't use the internal antennas any longer.

I would suggest you try to find a PCMCIA card or a USB stick for WLAN. 


Nils



From art.alexion at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 22:45:43 2008
From: art.alexion at gmail.com (Art Alexion)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:45:43 -0500
Subject: Resolution switching back to 1024x768
Message-ID: <200811291745.43652.art.alexion@gmail.com>

On Thursday 27 November 2008 14:22:45 Herman Holmström wrote:
> Whenever I start up Kubuntu my resolution is 1024x768 and I need to open
> System Settings > Display for it to change to 1280x1024 (the resolution I
> want). I only need to open display settings for it to switch, so it IS set
> to 1280x1024. Also, this alone, while annoying, is not that bad, but my PC
> freezes 50% of the times I switch resolution in Kubuntu. Are these known
> issues, or do I need to do something that.. I haven't done?

I have a similar problem which I had chalked up to the kvm switch because it 
plagued multiple distros, versions, and even a WinXP box. Kubuntu Feisty 
through Hardy, and Hardy kdm4, Ubuntu Gutsy through Intrepid.  Three 
different boxes, different graphics cards, etc.  The only thing they all 
share is the kvm switch.

I find that if the resolution is wrong in kdm/gdm, ctrl+alt+backspace makes it 
come back when X restarts.  (No such thing in Windows, unfortunately.)  I 
would
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From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sat Nov 29 23:27:01 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:27:01 -0600
Subject: Drive errors
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Mani A wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Mark Fraser
> <kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> wrote:
>
>   
>> As an update, my computer locked up again this morning (nothing worked and
>> something was constantly accessing one of my drives). When I rebooted and
>> check smartctrl again I did see some errors:
>>
>> Error 176 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 2959 hours (123 days + 7 hours)
>> When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or
>> idle.
>>
>>     
>
> You cannot be sure. With seagate SATA drives, people get all kinds of
> problems due to a kernel or firmware issue. Actually it is a cross
> platform problem
>
> You can try disabling write-cache.
>
> #sudo hdparm -W0 /dev/sdb
>
>
> But your drive is dying apparently. Is it?
>
> Best
>
> A. Mani
>
>
>   
I may get slammed for this but......................

I'm not saying that your drive isn't failing. It may very well be, 
but.......................

There are some issues with SMART disk monitor. I've personally seen 
SMART report a dying disk that ran for three more years without fault or 
issue. According to SMART that disk drive was going to fail at any second.

Your mileage may vary of course but just be aware that SMART isn't 
_always_ right.

I've got three drives in this computer, a Seagate SATA, a Maxtor SATA 
and a Western Digital IDE drive. I've never had a moments problem with 
any of them. I run my computer 24/7 and all three drives are going on 
two and a half years old

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 29 23:41:52 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:41:52 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
Message-ID: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>

I have been reading for a couple of hours trying to understand the 
function of a virtual machine, and how to make it work.  I even 
installed VirtualBox, but can't get it working yet.

When you operate using a virtual system, does it function the same as 
using the program, like Win XP?
When operating it, can you make things function, like play a .bin movie 
that won't play in Hardy?
Do you have to purchase a copy of Windows XP to install in the 
VirtualMachine or how do you get it in your computer?  I am not willing 
to pay any more money to Microsoft; I have been abused by them.  
Nonetheless, there are things that I cannot do, because of not having XP 
anymore.

These questions are on the front side of my interest in Virtual Box.  
None are answered in my first two hours of study.  At least they were 
not explained in a way I could understand.  It seems like the answers I 
want are  assumed by the author.  I am even reading about advanced 
benefits and alternative uses, and I still do not know if what I want is 
available.

There are so many ways I am lacking in my understanding of the operation 
of a Linux system, I don't want to waste my study time on a subject that 
doesn't serve a need.  It looks like I could read for days without my 
question being addressed, if ever.

Additionally, if you are required to purchase a copy of XP to install 
into the virtual machine, what is the advantage of that over a dual boot 
system that has XP as an alternate boot?  Before I will ever purchase 
another Microsoft product, I will go without, rather than purchase from 
them.  TIA

Steven



From aiton.jesse at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 23:56:59 2008
From: aiton.jesse at gmail.com (Jesse Aiton)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:56:59 -0800
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <c77380980811291556i517970f5v94e7d21b1c72dbcd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steven,

A virtual system is like a guest operating system that borrows
resources (CPU, memory, storage) from the host operating system.   If
there is a special program to run your .bin file and you have
installed it in your virtual machine, as long your sound and video is
working in the virtual machine, then it should work.

Yes,  you have to purchase a copy of Windows even if it will be a
virtual machine.  I don't blame you for not wanting to support them
financially - they are horrible.

One of the biggest advantages of using virtualization in comparison to
a dual boot setup, is that you can access both host and guest
operating systems simultaneously, instead of having to reboot to
switch back and forth.

I'm not sure what program runs your .bin file, but if its a Windows
program, you may be able to install it on Linux with Wine.
http://www.winehq.org
The paid version of Wine may be worth looking at as well.
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/

Also, I have a forum for Kubuntu users that I would like to invite
everyone too:  http://kubuntuway.net

Thanks,

Jesse




On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Steven Vollom
<stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I have been reading for a couple of hours trying to understand the
> function of a virtual machine, and how to make it work.  I even
> installed VirtualBox, but can't get it working yet.
>
> When you operate using a virtual system, does it function the same as
> using the program, like Win XP?
> When operating it, can you make things function, like play a .bin movie
> that won't play in Hardy?
> Do you have to purchase a copy of Windows XP to install in the
> VirtualMachine or how do you get it in your computer?  I am not willing
> to pay any more money to Microsoft; I have been abused by them.
> Nonetheless, there are things that I cannot do, because of not having XP
> anymore.
>
> These questions are on the front side of my interest in Virtual Box.
> None are answered in my first two hours of study.  At least they were
> not explained in a way I could understand.  It seems like the answers I
> want are  assumed by the author.  I am even reading about advanced
> benefits and alternative uses, and I still do not know if what I want is
> available.
>
> There are so many ways I am lacking in my understanding of the operation
> of a Linux system, I don't want to waste my study time on a subject that
> doesn't serve a need.  It looks like I could read for days without my
> question being addressed, if ever.
>
> Additionally, if you are required to purchase a copy of XP to install
> into the virtual machine, what is the advantage of that over a dual boot
> system that has XP as an alternate boot?  Before I will ever purchase
> another Microsoft product, I will go without, rather than purchase from
> them.  TIA
>
> Steven
>
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> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>



From dave at thefletchers.net  Sun Nov 30 00:21:19 2008
From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:21:19 +0000
Subject: Internal laptop WiFi cards
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On Saturday 29 Nov 2008, Nils Kassube wrote:
> David Fletcher wrote:
> 
> Actually there are usually 2 separate antennas. It wouldn't really work 
2 days ago I knew nothing about these. Now I know far more than I did!

> 
> That aren't simple wires but coaxial cables.
Better not to chop them then.

> 
> 
> Don't cut the cables - you can't extent them with simple wires. You would 
Just as well I didn't :-)

> However I can't tell you if such extension cables are available at all. 
I very much doubt it.

> But if you cut the cables you can't use the internal antennas any longer.
> 
> I would suggest you try to find a PCMCIA card or a USB stick for WLAN. 
I have both, but I'm not too impressed with their sensitivity. Hence I want to 
try to use the built in antennas. If I can't get it to work, I'll just have 
to revert and be satisfied.

Dave
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From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Sun Nov 30 00:29:01 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:29:01 +0000
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
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Steven Vollom wrote:
> I have been reading for a couple of hours trying to understand the 
> function of a virtual machine, and how to make it work.  I even 
> installed VirtualBox, but can't get it working yet.
> 
> When you operate using a virtual system, does it function the same as 
> using the program, like Win XP?

It works like a separate computer. For programs running in the virtual 
machine (most of them at least), it's just like being run on a real system

> When operating it, can you make things function, like play a .bin movie 
> that won't play in Hardy?

Yes, if the operating system and/or the player installed in it support it

> Do you have to purchase a copy of Windows XP to install in the 
> VirtualMachine or how do you get it in your computer?  I am not willing 
> to pay any more money to Microsoft; I have been abused by them.  
> Nonetheless, there are things that I cannot do, because of not having XP 
> anymore.

To legally use windows on a virtual machine, you need a license for it. 
What do you mean "not having XP any more"? Did you have it installed on 
some computer, and was it preinstalled (a OEM version) or did you have a 
separate copy you installed? The preinstalled OEM copies usually cannot 
be used on any other hardware, so no virtual machine as well, but if you 
had a regular copy you can use it.

> 
> These questions are on the front side of my interest in Virtual Box.  
> None are answered in my first two hours of study.  At least they were 
> not explained in a way I could understand.  It seems like the answers I 
> want are  assumed by the author.  I am even reading about advanced 
> benefits and alternative uses, and I still do not know if what I want is 
> available.

What have you tried that didn't work? Have you tried creating virtual 
machines and installing operating systems into them?

> 
> There are so many ways I am lacking in my understanding of the operation 
> of a Linux system, I don't want to waste my study time on a subject that 
> doesn't serve a need.  It looks like I could read for days without my 
> question being addressed, if ever.
> 
> Additionally, if you are required to purchase a copy of XP to install 
> into the virtual machine, what is the advantage of that over a dual boot 
> system that has XP as an alternate boot?  

:) because you don't need a reboot to use a windows program, if you need 
to... or you can run an operating system you don't normally use to 
assist remotely someone else who's using it (I've been doing that on the 
phone like: do this, what do you see? /that and that./ - replicate the 
steps on my side - ok now you should see this, does it work? /yes/... 
and so forth. Time consuming but more effective than guessing or flying 
to the other end of the cable to fix the problem myself )


Before I will ever purchase
> another Microsoft product, I will go without, rather than purchase from 
> them.  TIA

:D ok so you don't have use for windows on your virtual machine. Still 
you can try changing all possible settings in a virtual machine instead 
of on your real system, so you can learn new things without risking your 
system and your data. If that doesn't happen very often, then you may 
really not have much use for virtual machines at all :) your call on that.
HTH,
I.



From dcurtis at uniserve.com  Sun Nov 30 00:45:17 2008
From: dcurtis at uniserve.com (David Curtis)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:45:17 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811291945.18640.dcurtis@uniserve.com>

On Saturday 29 November 2008 18:41:52 Steven Vollom wrote:

> When operating it, can you make things function, like play a .bin movie
> that won't play in Hardy?

Do you realize that a .bin is a disk image file similar to an .iso? I'm 
thinking you have your hands on a VCD (video CD) or other movie type. That's 
if your talking about the same file as in your previous post. If there's a .cue 
descriptor file that goes along with it you can burn it to a CD or DVD.  K3B 
can handle .cue files. And yes .bin files can be played without burning them 
first. Maybe the file is corrupt?

Dave






From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Sun Nov 30 00:56:53 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:56:53 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811291956.53785.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Saturday 29 November 2008 18:41:52 Steven Vollom wrote:
> I have been reading for a couple of hours trying to understand the 
> function of a virtual machine, and how to make it work.  I even 
> installed VirtualBox, but can't get it working yet.
> 
> When you operate using a virtual system, does it function the same as 
> using the program, like Win XP?
> When operating it, can you make things function, like play a .bin movie 
> that won't play in Hardy?
> Do you have to purchase a copy of Windows XP to install in the 
> VirtualMachine or how do you get it in your computer?  I am not willing 
> to pay any more money to Microsoft; I have been abused by them.  
> Nonetheless, there are things that I cannot do, because of not having XP 
> anymore.
> 
> These questions are on the front side of my interest in Virtual Box.  
> None are answered in my first two hours of study.  At least they were 
> not explained in a way I could understand.  It seems like the answers I 
> want are  assumed by the author.  I am even reading about advanced 
> benefits and alternative uses, and I still do not know if what I want is 
> available.
> 
> There are so many ways I am lacking in my understanding of the operation 
> of a Linux system, I don't want to waste my study time on a subject that 
> doesn't serve a need.  It looks like I could read for days without my 
> question being addressed, if ever.
> 
> Additionally, if you are required to purchase a copy of XP to install 
> into the virtual machine, what is the advantage of that over a dual boot 
> system that has XP as an alternate boot?  Before I will ever purchase 
> another Microsoft product, I will go without, rather than purchase from 
> them.  TIA
> 
> Steven
> 

A virtual machine is a VIRTUAL .... MACHINE 
(a separate computer, with bios, rom, ram, disks, cdrom-drive, floppy, ...)

Yes, a virtual MACHINE.

you just start virtualbox, create a NEW virtual machine,
and an assistant ask you how-much mem/disk/... you want in that machine,
at the end, it creates the virtual machine as a BIG file on your disk, 
(a file as big as the disk + mem you created)
and a file containing the machine bios information, and others.

while creating the machine, you are asked which type of operating
system you want to install in that machine, then answer the right one , Win-XP
or wathever kind of system you intend to install in this machine
like linux-2.4, Linux-2.6, ... (to fine-tune the machine to the OS)

then, your virtual machine is created.

just point at it, and boot it. (with start)
(you then boot a totally clean machine with nothing on disk)

insert the operating system cdrom you want to install and you own.

boot on this cdrom, and install your os in the machine.

remove cdrom, reboot the newly installed machine.

........

Now!  WHY a virtual machine.

You may want to test an insecure os, but do not want to reformat 
your perfectly functionning system and you do not have 
a spare machine to do the test. (create a machine, test in this machine)

You may want to use another system (ex: Win-XP) ocasionnaly, but 
do not want to reboot each time to use it. (Just click on it, and use, then close)
(all this without stopping any of your existing tasks you're doing now)

You may want to see how well do the next version of your preferred 
system (ex: kubuntu) is running, without disturbing your stable system.

You may want ... something else.


OK, Now, Imagine...


-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From mlsoft at videotron.ca  Sun Nov 30 01:09:27 2008
From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:09:27 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <200811291956.53785.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811291956.53785.mlsoft@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <200811292009.27369.mlsoft@videotron.ca>

On Saturday 29 November 2008 19:56:53 Martin Laberge wrote:
> On Saturday 29 November 2008 18:41:52 Steven Vollom wrote:
> > I have been reading for a couple of hours trying to understand the 
> > function of a virtual machine, and how to make it work.  I even 
> > installed VirtualBox, but can't get it working yet.
> > 
> > When you operate using a virtual system, does it function the same as 
> > using the program, like Win XP?
> > When operating it, can you make things function, like play a .bin movie 
> > that won't play in Hardy?
> > Do you have to purchase a copy of Windows XP to install in the 
> > VirtualMachine or how do you get it in your computer?  I am not willing 
> > to pay any more money to Microsoft; I have been abused by them.  
> > Nonetheless, there are things that I cannot do, because of not having XP 
> > anymore.
> > 
> > These questions are on the front side of my interest in Virtual Box.  
> > None are answered in my first two hours of study.  At least they were 
> > not explained in a way I could understand.  It seems like the answers I 
> > want are  assumed by the author.  I am even reading about advanced 
> > benefits and alternative uses, and I still do not know if what I want is 
> > available.
> > 
> > There are so many ways I am lacking in my understanding of the operation 
> > of a Linux system, I don't want to waste my study time on a subject that 
> > doesn't serve a need.  It looks like I could read for days without my 
> > question being addressed, if ever.
> > 
> > Additionally, if you are required to purchase a copy of XP to install 
> > into the virtual machine, what is the advantage of that over a dual boot 
> > system that has XP as an alternate boot?  Before I will ever purchase 
> > another Microsoft product, I will go without, rather than purchase from 
> > them.  TIA
> > 
> > Steven
> > 
> 
> A virtual machine is a VIRTUAL .... MACHINE 
> (a separate computer, with bios, rom, ram, disks, cdrom-drive, floppy, ...)
> 
> Yes, a virtual MACHINE.
> 
> you just start virtualbox, create a NEW virtual machine,
> and an assistant ask you how-much mem/disk/... you want in that machine,
> at the end, it creates the virtual machine as a BIG file on your disk, 
> (a file as big as the disk + mem you created)
> and a file containing the machine bios information, and others.
> 
> while creating the machine, you are asked which type of operating
> system you want to install in that machine, then answer the right one , Win-XP
> or wathever kind of system you intend to install in this machine
> like linux-2.4, Linux-2.6, ... (to fine-tune the machine to the OS)
> 
> then, your virtual machine is created.
> 
> just point at it, and boot it. (with start)
> (you then boot a totally clean machine with nothing on disk)
> 
> insert the operating system cdrom you want to install and you own.
> 
> boot on this cdrom, and install your os in the machine.
> 
> remove cdrom, reboot the newly installed machine.
> 
> ........
> 
> Now!  WHY a virtual machine.
> 
> You may want to test an insecure os, but do not want to reformat 
> your perfectly functionning system and you do not have 
> a spare machine to do the test. (create a machine, test in this machine)
> 
> You may want to use another system (ex: Win-XP) ocasionnaly, but 
> do not want to reboot each time to use it. (Just click on it, and use, then close)
> (all this without stopping any of your existing tasks you're doing now)
> 
> You may want to see how well do the next version of your preferred 
> system (ex: kubuntu) is running, without disturbing your stable system.
> 
> You may want ... something else.
> 
> 
> OK, Now, Imagine...
> 
> 
> -- 
> Martin Laberge
> mlsoft at videotron.ca
> Tel:(418)521-6823
> 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...
> 

I forgot to say, Yes you can use your existing Win-XP in the virtual machine,
(using the same install disk, as your original. it is like reinstalling 
in another partition on the same machine)
and yes you can play with it anything you would on a real machine.

-- 
Martin Laberge
mlsoft at videotron.ca
Tel:(418)521-6823
30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning...



From grey at dmiyu.org  Sun Nov 30 01:57:35 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:57:35 -0800
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4931F30F.3000006@dmiyu.org>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Additionally, if you are required to purchase a copy of XP to install 
> into the virtual machine, what is the advantage of that over a dual boot 
> system that has XP as an alternate boot?  Before I will ever purchase 
> another Microsoft product, I will go without, rather than purchase from 
> them.  TIA

    As others have pointed out the advantage is not having to close down all
your currently running programs just to run something else in a different OS.
 As for what uses a virtual machine would have here are the uses I've put
several to in the past ~6 months.

    2 VirtualPCs running Windows Server 2003.  Each has a different version of
the software I support at work.  IE, the two major versions in use presently.
 When a customer calls in I ask them what version they're running and start up
the virtual machine that runs the version matching theirs.  That way I know I
am describing exactly what they need to see down to the proper words on the
menus and locations on the screen.

    Also they are complete test environments.  I archived the images prior to
messing with anything.  If a customer's install is broken in a unique way I
can replicate it on my VM then determine how to fix it.  If i fail to fix it I
just unpack the archived image and I'm back to a working install.

    I have 2 more WinXP VirtualPC virtual machines which run the clients for
the server hosted in the example above.  If their problem is client side I can
replicate the conditions on the server and the client locally using multiple VMs.

    I then have a Win2k VirtualPC which I use solely for remote VPN access.
Some sites have a bad habit of requiring all traffic go through their VPN
interface.  That kicks me off my email, my ticket tracking system, IM and
other work-required programs.  By using a VM to connect to the VPN none of
those are kicked off the net.

    On top of all that I have 2 KUbuntu images running in VirtualBox.  One is
my day-to-day image that I have open all the time to run apps in Linux and
have the power of Linux' shell available to me.  I cannot install Linux on my
work machine but I can install it in a VB VM and access the real machine's HD.
 The other machine is my attempt to replace the above mentioned Win2k
VirtualPC VM with a Linux based remote access solution.

    Finally, when Ibex was in beta I had a third KUbuntu VirtualBox machine
running the beta so I could test Ibex without blowing up my (then) Heron VM.

    So at work, on this Lenovo T61+, I have 7 virtual machines that I use on a
semi-regular basis.  Trying to septuple-boot would be a pain in the butt, not
to mention it would negate the benefits of keeping my work environment stable
while playing in different sandboxes as my work dictates.

    My home usage is not so robust.  I have a single VirtualBox VM which boots
the KUbuntu partition on my dual-boot machine.  When I'm playing games in
WinXP and need access to my Linux desktop I just run VM instead of shut
everything down, twiddle for a few minutes on the Linux desktop, then reboot
back into Windows and load up my games again.  Something tells me that the
reverse of this is what most people would be looking for out of VirtualBox and
WinXP.  ;)

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 02:14:01 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:14:01 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <4931DE4D.3040805@yahoo.it>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <4931DE4D.3040805@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I have been reading for a couple of hours trying to understand the 
>> function of a virtual machine, and how to make it work.  I even 
>> installed VirtualBox, but can't get it working yet.
>>
>> When you operate using a virtual system, does it function the same as 
>> using the program, like Win XP?
>>     
>
> It works like a separate computer. For programs running in the virtual 
> machine (most of them at least), it's just like being run on a real system
>
>   
>> When operating it, can you make things function, like play a .bin movie 
>> that won't play in Hardy?
>>     
>
> Yes, if the operating system and/or the player installed in it support it
>
>   
>> Do you have to purchase a copy of Windows XP to install in the 
>> VirtualMachine or how do you get it in your computer?  I am not willing 
>> to pay any more money to Microsoft; I have been abused by them.  
>> Nonetheless, there are things that I cannot do, because of not having XP 
>> anymore.
>>     
>
> To legally use windows on a virtual machine, you need a license for it. 
> What do you mean "not having XP any more"? Did you have it installed on 
> some computer, and was it preinstalled (a OEM version) or did you have a 
> separate copy you installed? The preinstalled OEM copies usually cannot 
> be used on any other hardware, so no virtual machine as well, but if you 
> had a regular copy you can use it.
>   
This is the part that I did not understand well.  I don't know other 
people's reasons for leaving Microsoft products, but they hurt me.  If 
you register a purchase then have an accident and damage your CD, they 
make you pay again.  From Windows 95 through XP I always had a legal 
copy of Windows, however, when I had need for help, they made me pay, 
even though the problem was of their creation.  I don't see the value of 
registration, if they are unwilling to provide replacement when a 
customer has an accident.  They MO is to make you put your CD back into 
the system all the time.  That creates opportunity for accidents and 
wear and tear.  The last time, I got so mad, I broke my CD so that I did 
not have it to fall back on.  I wish I hadn't done that, I would like to 
have a virtual machine, now that I better understand, but I will never 
give Microsfoft another penny.  It may be cutting my nose off to spite 
my face, but I want Linux to win this battle, and that kind of 
commitment is necessary to make it happen, I believe.
>   
>> These questions are on the front side of my interest in Virtual Box.  
>> None are answered in my first two hours of study.  At least they were 
>> not explained in a way I could understand.  It seems like the answers I 
>> want are  assumed by the author.  I am even reading about advanced 
>> benefits and alternative uses, and I still do not know if what I want is 
>> available.
>>     
>
> What have you tried that didn't work? Have you tried creating virtual 
> machines and installing operating systems into them?
>   
I was hoping there was some application out there that did not require 
giving any money to Microsoft that would make the virtual environment 
rather than using an actual Microsoft program.  Pretty naive, however, 
that was the only way I would use it.
>   
>> There are so many ways I am lacking in my understanding of the operation 
>> of a Linux system, I don't want to waste my study time on a subject that 
>> doesn't serve a need.  It looks like I could read for days without my 
>> question being addressed, if ever.
>>
>> Additionally, if you are required to purchase a copy of XP to install 
>> into the virtual machine, what is the advantage of that over a dual boot 
>> system that has XP as an alternate boot?  
>>     
>
> :) because you don't need a reboot to use a windows program, if you need 
> to... or you can run an operating system you don't normally use to 
> assist remotely someone else who's using it (I've been doing that on the 
> phone like: do this, what do you see? /that and that./ - replicate the 
> steps on my side - ok now you should see this, does it work? /yes/... 
> and so forth. Time consuming but more effective than guessing or flying 
> to the other end of the cable to fix the problem myself )
>   
The only thing I miss from Windows is Spider Solitaire, it was 
entertaining once in a while.
>
> Before I will ever purchase
>   
>> another Microsoft product, I will go without, rather than purchase from 
>> them.  TIA
>>     
>
> :D ok so you don't have use for windows on your virtual machine. Still 
> you can try changing all possible settings in a virtual machine instead 
> of on your real system, so you can learn new things without risking your 
> system and your data. If that doesn't happen very often, then you may 
> really not have much use for virtual machines at all :) your call on that.
> HTH,
> I.
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 02:15:17 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:15:17 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?  **RESOLVED**  What I wanted to know, 
	was answered.  I am not interested anymore. THANKS TO ALL
In-Reply-To: <c77380980811291556i517970f5v94e7d21b1c72dbcd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<c77380980811291556i517970f5v94e7d21b1c72dbcd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4931F735.1050108@sbcglobal.net>

Jesse Aiton wrote:
> Hi Steven,
>
> A virtual system is like a guest operating system that borrows
> resources (CPU, memory, storage) from the host operating system.   If
> there is a special program to run your .bin file and you have
> installed it in your virtual machine, as long your sound and video is
> working in the virtual machine, then it should work.
>
> Yes,  you have to purchase a copy of Windows even if it will be a
> virtual machine.  I don't blame you for not wanting to support them
> financially - they are horrible.
>
> One of the biggest advantages of using virtualization in comparison to
> a dual boot setup, is that you can access both host and guest
> operating systems simultaneously, instead of having to reboot to
> switch back and forth.
>
> I'm not sure what program runs your .bin file, but if its a Windows
> program, you may be able to install it on Linux with Wine.
> http://www.winehq.org
> The paid version of Wine may be worth looking at as well.
> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/
>
> Also, I have a forum for Kubuntu users that I would like to invite
> everyone too:  http://kubuntuway.net
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jesse
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Steven Vollom
> <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> I have been reading for a couple of hours trying to understand the
>> function of a virtual machine, and how to make it work.  I even
>> installed VirtualBox, but can't get it working yet.
>>
>> When you operate using a virtual system, does it function the same as
>> using the program, like Win XP?
>> When operating it, can you make things function, like play a .bin movie
>> that won't play in Hardy?
>> Do you have to purchase a copy of Windows XP to install in the
>> VirtualMachine or how do you get it in your computer?  I am not willing
>> to pay any more money to Microsoft; I have been abused by them.
>> Nonetheless, there are things that I cannot do, because of not having XP
>> anymore.
>>
>> These questions are on the front side of my interest in Virtual Box.
>> None are answered in my first two hours of study.  At least they were
>> not explained in a way I could understand.  It seems like the answers I
>> want are  assumed by the author.  I am even reading about advanced
>> benefits and alternative uses, and I still do not know if what I want is
>> available.
>>
>> There are so many ways I am lacking in my understanding of the operation
>> of a Linux system, I don't want to waste my study time on a subject that
>> doesn't serve a need.  It looks like I could read for days without my
>> question being addressed, if ever.
>>
>> Additionally, if you are required to purchase a copy of XP to install
>> into the virtual machine, what is the advantage of that over a dual boot
>> system that has XP as an alternate boot?  Before I will ever purchase
>> another Microsoft product, I will go without, rather than purchase from
>> them.  TIA
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> --
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>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
>>
>>     
>
>   




From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 02:46:16 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:46:16 -0600
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?  **RESOLVED**  What I wanted to know,
	was answered.  I am not interested anymore. THANKS TO ALL
In-Reply-To: <4931F735.1050108@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<c77380980811291556i517970f5v94e7d21b1c72dbcd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4931F735.1050108@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811292046.16831.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

I'm glad you got what you wanted to know, however a lot of people read this 
list.  Perhaps you got an answer you were satisfied with, but someone else who 
became interested in what you asked wanted to hear more about it.  It doesn't 
do any harm to let everyone have their say if they feel they have something to 
contribute.

By the way, when you use your subject line for your entire message (not a 
great thing to do, but there's no netiquette rule I'm aware of about it), 
please delete the quoted message inside the body.  It would be greatly 
appreciated. :)



From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 02:50:02 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:50:02 -0600
Subject: USB floppy disc drive
In-Reply-To: <49316B41.1060400@btinternet.com>
References: <49316B41.1060400@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <200811292050.02383.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

On Saturday 29 November 2008 10:18:09 am Brian Norman Wootton wrote:
> Can somebody tell me or tell me where to look for the kubuntu /etc/fstab
> incantation to mount
> a USB floppy drive please, I've got half a dozen floppies of midi files
> to get into  my machine.
> ta
> Brian W

Any USB drive is mounted by automount unless otherwise specified in fstab, 
which by default it is not.  You could make one, but realize that it would 
mount any sort of USB storage device in the same place.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 03:33:31 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:33:31 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?  **RESOLVED**  What I wanted to know, 
	was answered.  I am not interested anymore. THANKS TO ALL
In-Reply-To: <200811292046.16831.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>	<c77380980811291556i517970f5v94e7d21b1c72dbcd@mail.gmail.com>	<4931F735.1050108@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811292046.16831.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4932098B.1000107@sbcglobal.net>

Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
> I'm glad you got what you wanted to know, however a lot of people read this 
> list.  Perhaps you got an answer you were satisfied with, but someone else who 
> became interested in what you asked wanted to hear more about it.  It doesn't 
> do any harm to let everyone have their say if they feel they have something to 
> contribute.
>
> By the way, when you use your subject line for your entire message (not a 
> great thing to do, but there's no netiquette rule I'm aware of about it), 
> please delete the quoted message inside the body.  It would be greatly 
> appreciated. :)
>
>   
Thanks.  I will.   It took me a moment to realize what you were talking 
about.  When I read it now, I realize how wrong it was.  It did not 
really express what I was trying to say anyway.

I had two motivations in this post; neither are something I am proud of.

I wanted a way to avoid giving Microsoft any more money and still use 
what I wanted from them.  Additionally, I wanted to download a movie I 
didn't pay for.  Neither reason is worthy of publishing. 

So that you know, I hate that I do these two things.  I have become 
angry with Microsoft, the Movie industry, and sometimes pro-sports.  
They dominate anyone who would like to compete with them.  They 
monopolize a very attractive market.  They are so lustful that it is 
obscene.  Doing business with them is more morally offensive to me than 
taking a few things from them without paying.  It is not justifiable, 
but I haven't been able to discipline myself yet.

I am old and very poor.  My reasons would not offend you.  Nonetheless, 
no affordable access to these very fun things, just to make the richest 
of the rich richer, just doesn't appeal to me.  If they sue me for 
taking what I take, they get nothing, because I have nothing.  The loss 
is still there, though, for I have to compromise my principles to behave 
the way I do.  I haven't gone to a movie that I paid for or a ball game 
for about 15 years now.  I miss that.  Since my forced retirement, I 
haven't been able to afford my computer except for salvaging someone's 
discard.  You wouldn't believe it, but I still love my life.  I would 
not give up what I have done with it for additional financial security.  
It was worth it.  I am very grateful for people like you who help people 
that could not resolve their problems without you.

Most Cordially,

Steven



From ac046 at torfree.net  Sun Nov 30 04:52:10 2008
From: ac046 at torfree.net (A D Burrows)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:52:10 -0500
Subject: Video with 8.10
Message-ID: <49321BFA.9060005@torfree.net>

I have a PC, L7VMM3 motherboard with Athlon XP-M 1900+ processor and
KM266 chipset, 256MB RAM. I don't know what the on-board video chip is;
the manual says it puts out VGA, single cycle 128-bit 3D architecture,
128-bit 2D engine, 8/16/32MB frame buffer using system memory, supports
AGP 4X 266 MHz mode up to 1GB/s bandwidth, supports 250MJz RAMDAC, 2D/3D
resolutions up to 1920X1440, supports AGP Rev. 2.0 Spec. compliant. (I
_think_ the chip is a 128-bit 2D/3D AGP Graphics Accelerator.) My
monitor is an Acer 1917W

My OS at present is Simple MEPIS, kernel 2.6.7 (unstable). I find it
hard to add programs, which is why I'm trying to get a handle on Ubuntu
before switching.

Anyway, my problem is with Kubuntu 8.10. I got it a few days ago and was
testing it to make sure it was compatible with my old system. Well it
seemed to load, but there was no video. All I got on my monitor when the
CD had stopped spinning was a black screen. I tried rebooting into safe
graphics mode... which took some hunting to find... but I got the same
results that way. I've had the same trouble with earlier versions of 
Kubuntu, but safe graphics mode usually fixes it.


What can I do about it?

-- Allan




From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 05:46:51 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:46:51 -0600
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?  **RESOLVED**  What I wanted to know,
	was answered.  I am not interested anymore. THANKS TO ALL
In-Reply-To: <4932098B.1000107@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811292046.16831.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<4932098B.1000107@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811292346.51882.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

On Saturday 29 November 2008 9:33:31 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
<snip>
> I had two motivations in this post; neither are something I am proud of.
>
> I wanted a way to avoid giving Microsoft any more money and still use
> what I wanted from them.  Additionally, I wanted to download a movie I
> didn't pay for.  Neither reason is worthy of publishing.
<snip>

I don't judge you for those.  I don't do them (I used to), but I can 
understand some reasoning behind doing the things you mention.  However, 
please allow me to encourage you (if you're not doing this already) and anyone 
else interested to at the very least check out alternative sources.  You're 
already using Linux and, by your act of asking questions and making 
suggestions, contributing, so that's a good thing.  However, there is music 
and other art released under the Creative Commons or similar licensing and 
some of it is very good.  Movies cost a lot to make, but some of the best 
movies are made independently of the big studios and are more worthy of 
handing over a little of your hard-earned money for.  And I can guarantee you 
that somewhere in your area, there's a group of amateur actors and film crew 
hopefuls making little films that will show in an art house for free.  And if 
you want to see something neat and also free, search the web for the 48 Hour 
Film Project.  It's a contest where a group of people who are interested in 
trying it get together and are given 48 hours to write, rehearse and film a 
short.  Go through the winners - they are only a few minutes long each and 
amazing.  (And as a theatre person, I have to mention that community theatre 
can be fun and fairly cheap and much more intimate than a movie.)

Anyway, I wonder if you misunderstood me in my previous message.  I only meant 
that a thread we start can take life even when we're through with it and 
others can learn from it.



From wayward4now at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 08:23:29 2008
From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:23:29 -0500
Subject: Video with 8.10
In-Reply-To: <49321BFA.9060005@torfree.net>
References: <49321BFA.9060005@torfree.net>
Message-ID: <1228033409.6262.86.camel@iam.wayward4now.net>

On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 23:52 -0500, A D Burrows wrote:
> I have a PC, L7VMM3 motherboard with Athlon XP-M 1900+ processor and
> KM266 chipset, 256MB RAM. I don't know what the on-board video chip is;
> the manual says it puts out VGA, single cycle 128-bit 3D architecture,
> 128-bit 2D engine, 8/16/32MB frame buffer using system memory, supports
> AGP 4X 266 MHz mode up to 1GB/s bandwidth, supports 250MJz RAMDAC, 2D/3D
> resolutions up to 1920X1440, supports AGP Rev. 2.0 Spec. compliant. (I
> _think_ the chip is a 128-bit 2D/3D AGP Graphics Accelerator.) My
> monitor is an Acer 1917W
> 
> My OS at present is Simple MEPIS, kernel 2.6.7 (unstable). I find it
> hard to add programs, which is why I'm trying to get a handle on Ubuntu
> before switching.
> 
> Anyway, my problem is with Kubuntu 8.10. I got it a few days ago and was
> testing it to make sure it was compatible with my old system. Well it
> seemed to load, but there was no video. All I got on my monitor when the
> CD had stopped spinning was a black screen. I tried rebooting into safe
> graphics mode... which took some hunting to find... but I got the same
> results that way. I've had the same trouble with earlier versions of 
> Kubuntu, but safe graphics mode usually fixes it.
> 
> 
> What can I do about it?

It would be handy to know exactly who your video chip set was made by.
Can you find out?? 
Not having the correct driver installed would be a show-stopper for
sure. 

Huh, just googled it and got this "S3 ProSavage8 2D/3D Graphics"
It also mentions that there is one "AGP 4X slot" so you could jam a
video card into it, it need be. I've never put much stock into a
build-in video solution. 

Looking further found this:
'The ProSavage8 IGP wasn't properly detected and thus Xorg defaulted to
the vesa driver. After loading the savage kernel module and changing the
Xorg driver to savage I had working 3D acceleration!

After that I had a go with Xgl, it actually worked, it was slow as
hell*, but it worked. Compiz wouldn't cooperate though, apparently the
ProSavage8 hardware doesn't have support for textures which aren't a
power of 2 in size."

Sounds like your onboard video is less than a winner, while also sharing
motherboard ram as video ram. For very little money ($30-40 bucks) you
could install an nVidia video board with at least 256 megs of vram and
warp out. With just a plain jane-google search I'm finding all kinds of
info. One guy wrote that he got about 95 fps with your chipset.
Hopefully others will chime in with more information than I have. That's
just my two cents. Good luck, Ric

-- 

My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
Linux user# 44256 
https://nuoar.dev.java.net/
Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987




From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 08:34:26 2008
From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:34:26 +0100
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED** What I wanted to know,
	was answered. I am not interested anymore. THANKS TO ALL
In-Reply-To: <4932098B.1000107@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<c77380980811291556i517970f5v94e7d21b1c72dbcd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4931F735.1050108@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811292046.16831.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
	<4932098B.1000107@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <18bb29490811300034l54f498bdi5271635d718d71e3@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/30 Steven Vollom <stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net>:
<---->
> I wanted a way to avoid giving Microsoft any more money and still use
> what I wanted from them.  Additionally, I wanted to download a movie I
> didn't pay for.  Neither reason is worthy of publishing.

Oh, you're not the only one one the net that doesn't pay for MS
Windows. I didn't pay for 'my' XP either . . (Downloaded it via some
p2p. I only use it occasionally)

If you cannot view a movie in Linux, doubt that you can in Windows. A
'bin' extension doesn't belong to a movie. Most probably, what you
downloaded isn't a movie but *nothing*.(?)

-- 
Namasté,
Ulrich
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From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 30 08:44:09 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:44:09 +0000
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <4931F30F.3000006@dmiyu.org>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <4931F30F.3000006@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811300844.10116.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Steve Lamb wrote:
>     My home usage is not so robust.  I have a single
> VirtualBox VM which boots the KUbuntu partition on my
> dual-boot machine.  When I'm playing games in WinXP and
> need access to my Linux desktop I just run VM instead of
> shut everything down, twiddle for a few minutes on the
> Linux desktop, then reboot back into Windows and load up
> my games again.  Something tells me that the reverse of
> this is what most people would be looking for out of
> VirtualBox and WinXP.  ;)

When I looked into this I understand that the reverse is not 
so good, i.e. running a VM inside Linux of a Windows system 
because there is no support for 3d acceleration in VM. That 
is exactly what I want to do, play 2 old win 95 games 
inside a VM. Am I mistaken?

nepal.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 30 08:53:40 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:53:40 +0000
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <4931DE4D.3040805@yahoo.it>
	<4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811300853.40968.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> The last time, I got so mad, I broke my CD so that I did
> not have it to fall back on.  I wish I hadn't done that,
> I would like to have a virtual machine, now that I better
> understand, but I will never give Microsfoft another
> penny.  It may be cutting my nose off to spite my face,
> but I want Linux to win this battle, and that kind of
> commitment is necessary to make it happen, I believe.

I respect your determination to deprive M$ of any further 
money. Well done, I do the same. Not because of anything 
they did to me personally, but because of their disgusting 
business practises. All they will ever get from me is my 
greatest contempt. :)

With regards your genuine copy of whichever version of 
windows you have, my understanding is that you purchase the 
license, and get a license number and activation code along 
with the cd. That is how it was with the last genuine copy 
of windows I had, win 95. The activation code is on the 
little booklet that comes with the windows cd/dvd. I still 
have it here somewhere.
 
So you could use any XP disk that is not your own, and use 
your license/activation code that you did pay for. But M$ 
being as dispicable as they are may well have closed that 
loophole.

nepal.



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 30 08:57:46 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:57:46 +0000
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?  **RESOLVED**  What I wanted to know,
	was answered.  I am not interested anymore. THANKS TO ALL
In-Reply-To: <200811292346.51882.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <4932098B.1000107@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811292346.51882.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200811300857.47025.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
> On Saturday 29 November 2008 9:33:31 pm Steven Vollom
> wrote: <snip>
>
> > I had two motivations in this post; neither are
> > something I am proud of.
> >
> > I wanted a way to avoid giving Microsoft any more money
> > and still use what I wanted from them.  Additionally, I
> > wanted to download a movie I didn't pay for.  Neither
> > reason is worthy of publishing.
>
> <snip>
>
> I don't judge you for those.  I don't do them (I used
> to), but I can understand some reasoning behind doing the
> things you mention.  However, please allow me to
> encourage you (if you're not doing this already) and
> anyone else interested to at the very least check out
> alternative sources.  You're already using Linux and, by
> your act of asking questions and making suggestions,
> contributing, so that's a good thing.  However, there is
> music and other art released under the Creative Commons
> or similar licensing and some of it is very good.  Movies
> cost a lot to make, but some of the best movies are made
> independently of the big studios and are more worthy of
> handing over a little of your hard-earned money for.  And
> I can guarantee you that somewhere in your area, there's
> a group of amateur actors and film crew hopefuls making
> little films that will show in an art house for free. 
> And if you want to see something neat and also free,
> search the web for the 48 Hour Film Project.  It's a
> contest where a group of people who are interested in
> trying it get together and are given 48 hours to write,
> rehearse and film a short.  Go through the winners - they
> are only a few minutes long each and amazing.  (And as a
> theatre person, I have to mention that community theatre
> can be fun and fairly cheap and much more intimate than a
> movie.)
>
> Anyway, I wonder if you misunderstood me in my previous
> message.  I only meant that a thread we start can take
> life even when we're through with it and others can learn
> from it.

Constantinos,

A big thankyou for the info above, I will be checking it out 
later today. I had wondered what creative commons was, I 
was thinking it was something to do with the uk government 
spin machine ;)

When I used to watch tv, Chanel 4 used to show little short 
films of the type you mention and some of the great modern 
directors like Shane Meadows started this way.

Thanks

nepal.



From grey at dmiyu.org  Sun Nov 30 10:11:26 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:11:26 -0800
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <200811300844.10116.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <4931F30F.3000006@dmiyu.org>
	<200811300844.10116.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <493266CE.1050209@dmiyu.org>

nepal wrote:
> When I looked into this I understand that the reverse is not 
> so good, i.e. running a VM inside Linux of a Windows system 
> because there is no support for 3d acceleration in VM. That 
> is exactly what I want to do, play 2 old win 95 games 
> inside a VM. Am I mistaken?

    Correct.  That is why I am native in WinXP for gaming but VM the Linux
box.  I don't game often in Linux and don't need 3D in Linux (no compiz).
Since all of the applications I use run perfectly fine in the VM I don't mind
this solution.

    The reverse that most people look for is to run must-have Windows
applications on Linux.  As long as they don't require 3D having a VirbualBox
with WinXP installed provides excellent compatibility for applications.

    As for your situation, if the games are sufficiently old they'll probably
work with Wine.  Usually it is the newer games that have Wine troubles.

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
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From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Sun Nov 30 10:36:12 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:36:12 +0000
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <4931DE4D.3040805@yahoo.it>
	<4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
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Steven Vollom wrote:
> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>> To legally use windows on a virtual machine, you need a license for it. 
>> What do you mean "not having XP any more"? Did you have it installed on 
>> some computer, and was it preinstalled (a OEM version) or did you have a 
>> separate copy you installed? The preinstalled OEM copies usually cannot 
>> be used on any other hardware, so no virtual machine as well, but if you 
>> had a regular copy you can use it.
>>   
> This is the part that I did not understand well.  I don't know other 
> people's reasons for leaving Microsoft products, but they hurt me.  If 
> you register a purchase then have an accident and damage your CD, they 
> make you pay again.  From Windows 95 through XP I always had a legal 
> copy of Windows, however, when I had need for help, they made me pay, 
> even though the problem was of their creation.  I don't see the value of 
> registration, if they are unwilling to provide replacement when a 
> customer has an accident.  They MO is to make you put your CD back into 
> the system all the time.  That creates opportunity for accidents and 
> wear and tear.  The last time, I got so mad, I broke my CD so that I did 
> not have it to fall back on.  I wish I hadn't done that, I would like to 
> have a virtual machine, now that I better understand, but I will never 
> give Microsfoft another penny.  It may be cutting my nose off to spite 
> my face, but I want Linux to win this battle, and that kind of 
> commitment is necessary to make it happen, I believe.

As far as I can tell, this means you have a XP license, just not a cd. 
In legaleseland, that might mean that you could get a XP cd from anyone, 
install it and use your serial number to activate it (and at least in 
Italy you have the right to make one copy of your original disc as a 
backup, so if the original medium gets damaged you don't have to buy a 
new one - applies to audio cds and dvd movies as well, even if it's not 
widely advertised...)

>> What have you tried that didn't work? Have you tried creating virtual 
>> machines and installing operating systems into them?
>>   
> I was hoping there was some application out there that did not require 
> giving any money to Microsoft that would make the virtual environment 
> rather than using an actual Microsoft program.  Pretty naive, however, 
> that was the only way I would use it.

to run windows programs, i.e. any of the free/open source ones, you may 
try looking into Wine. Or for the open source ones, use the linux version :P

> The only thing I miss from Windows is Spider Solitaire, it was 
> entertaining once in a while.

It's available in the KDE card games :) (KPath I seem to remember?)
I.




From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 10:47:39 2008
From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:47:39 +1000
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <493266CE.1050209@dmiyu.org>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811300844.10116.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<493266CE.1050209@dmiyu.org>
Message-ID: <200811302047.39769.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:11:26 pm Steve Lamb wrote:
> nepal wrote:
> > When I looked into this I understand that the reverse is not
> > so good, i.e. running a VM inside Linux of a Windows system
> > because there is no support for 3d acceleration in VM. That
> > is exactly what I want to do, play 2 old win 95 games
> > inside a VM. Am I mistaken?
>
>     Correct.  That is why I am native in WinXP for gaming but VM the Linux
> box.  I don't game often in Linux and don't need 3D in Linux (no compiz).
> Since all of the applications I use run perfectly fine in the VM I don't
> mind this solution.

Last time I browsed the VirtualBox forums I noticed that sun are planning 3D 
accelerated virtual hardware support for VB, which would be very cool. No time 
scale though.



-- 
Lindsay Mathieson
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album



From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 30 10:59:50 2008
From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:59:50 +0000
Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 46, Issue 236 item 3, USB automount
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3674.1228034653.17647.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
References: <mailman.3674.1228034653.17647.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <49327226.8070107@btinternet.com>

kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
>
>
>   
>
> Any USB drive is mounted by automount unless otherwise specified in fstab, 
> which by default it is not.  You could make one, but realize that it would 
> mount any sort of USB storage device in the same place.
>   
Thanks Constantinos, I'm happy to leave it at that, much neater than
my poor efforts were.
There seem to be quite a few help files missing, like 'Amarok' and 
'KwikDisk'
could you tell me where I can find them and how to install them.
ta
Brian W




From grey at dmiyu.org  Sun Nov 30 11:46:14 2008
From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:46:14 -0800
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <200811302047.39769.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>	<200811300844.10116.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<493266CE.1050209@dmiyu.org>
	<200811302047.39769.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811300346.14886.grey@dmiyu.org>

Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> Last time I browsed the VirtualBox forums I noticed that sun are planning 3D
> accelerated virtual hardware support for VB, which would be very cool. No 
time
> scale though.

    This is the holy grail of VMing and I think it will take more than a
software solution.

*Pontification hat on*

    Presently the newer CPUs have technology which allow virtualizers such as
VirtualBox, VMWare, Xen and so on to run the guest OS directly on the CPU.
The last hold out is access to the GPU.  Unfortunately this is a stickler
since, at least for software like VirtualBox, the GPU needs to be in control
of the host operating system to display the window in which the guest OS is
running.  Without control the instructions cannot be run directly on the GPU.

    The current push is on the hardware side to make it so the GPU can be
released from the host OS and given over to the guest OS.  As you can imagine
this needs to be made possible on the hardware before software can take
advantage of it.  Even then it will only be available on applicable hardware;
same as the current CPU virutalization technology is available on a few of the
newest CPUs.

    Of course all of this might be moot in a few years.  There are rumblings
that with multi-core CPUs the age of the dedicated GPU is coming to a close.
IE, we might be on the verge of a shift back to CPU based graphics processing
where one has a quad-core CPU and dedicates 1 core to the graphics and the
other three to the application/game.  If that were to come about then the same
virtualization technology present on the CPUs now might just extend to
accelerated graphics.

*Pontification hat off*

    But I haven't thought of or read up about it much lately so I might be
wrong.  :)

-- 
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who can decide what they dream
       PGP Key: 1FC01004       |      and dream I do
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------





From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 30 11:48:15 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:48:15 +0000
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <200811302047.39769.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <493266CE.1050209@dmiyu.org>
	<200811302047.39769.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811301148.15969.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> Last time I browsed the VirtualBox forums I noticed that
> sun are planning 3D accelerated virtual hardware support
> for VB, which would be very cool. No time scale though.

Indeed that would be excellent. There is no way I want to 
run my box on windows and VM Kubuntu, but it would be that 
or dual boot which would not suit my particular use.

If it happens it would be very nice.

nepal.



From pandarsson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 11:58:13 2008
From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:58:13 -0600
Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 46, Issue 236 item 3, USB automount
In-Reply-To: <49327226.8070107@btinternet.com>
References: <mailman.3674.1228034653.17647.kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
	<49327226.8070107@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <200811300558.14224.pandarsson@yahoo.com>

On Sunday 30 November 2008 4:59:50 am Brian Norman Wootton wrote:
> kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
> > Any USB drive is mounted by automount unless otherwise specified in
> > fstab, which by default it is not.  You could make one, but realize that
> > it would mount any sort of USB storage device in the same place.
>
> Thanks Constantinos, I'm happy to leave it at that, much neater than
> my poor efforts were.
> There seem to be quite a few help files missing, like 'Amarok' and
> 'KwikDisk'
> could you tell me where I can find them and how to install them.
> ta
> Brian W

Well, those can be found in adept, but for what you want to do, it's not 
entirely necessary.  If I recall correctly, all you want to do for now is copy 
the files from the disk drives.  This is done easily at the command line, but 
only if you're familiar with it.  I suggest opening the mounted drive in 
dolphin or konqueror, split the view, in the other pane, go to where you want 
to save them and drag and drop them over to that.

After that, run adept and install whatever you'd like or need to use, but it 
shouldn't be necessary to copy the files over.  I do suggest creating a new 
folder wherever you want it to copy the files to - after they're all copied, 
you can go through and move them where you want.

You know, I still mourn the (still impending) death of the floppy drive.  I 
still have one in my computer and will hopefully always keep it there, but 
considering the lack of any floppy disks, I'll probably never use it unless I 
come across some old disks of mine or get an old DOS game to run in dosbox.

I have to admit, though, I love my thumb drives.

By the way - I just had a thought.  I'm not sure how well Linux handles USB 
floppy drives.  If it runs like a regular floppy drive, you'll have to mount 
it when you put the disk in and I'm not sure how you would handle that.  If 
that fails, you might want to insert your disk before plugging it in, then 
removing it and replacing the disk and plug it in again.  Does anyone else 
here have a clue about this so I don't lead him in the wrong direction?



From miron.florea at web.de  Sun Nov 30 14:18:30 2008
From: miron.florea at web.de (Octavian Florea)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:18:30 +0200
Subject: Kubuntu Hardy won't play .bin movie?
In-Reply-To: <49317583.7000207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49317583.7000207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4932A0B6.5040302@web.de>

On 11/29/2008 07:01 PM, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I am previewing a movie for my grandbabies.  It is a Nancy Drew
> Mystery.  I is a Rar file that has a file association of .bin.  I
> Googled for the correct player which was Helix.  I installed but the
> player does not work.  It suggests it is missing  bin  .  Can't find a
> missing dependency.
>
> Steven
>
>    
Just to make sure, are you certain that it is a video file? Since rar 
seas it as an archive, couldn't it by any chance be a disk image? Does 
it come with an accompanying .cue file?
Because then you'll just have to mount it and play it like any cd / dvd.





From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Nov 30 14:31:15 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:31:15 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
	<49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 30 November 2008, Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>Steven Vollom wrote:
>> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>>> To legally use windows on a virtual machine, you need a license for it.
>>> What do you mean "not having XP any more"? Did you have it installed on
>>> some computer, and was it preinstalled (a OEM version) or did you have a
>>> separate copy you installed? The preinstalled OEM copies usually cannot
>>> be used on any other hardware, so no virtual machine as well, but if you
>>> had a regular copy you can use it.
>>
>> This is the part that I did not understand well.  I don't know other
>> people's reasons for leaving Microsoft products, but they hurt me.  If
>> you register a purchase then have an accident and damage your CD, they
>> make you pay again.  From Windows 95 through XP I always had a legal
>> copy of Windows, however, when I had need for help, they made me pay,
>> even though the problem was of their creation.  I don't see the value of
>> registration, if they are unwilling to provide replacement when a
>> customer has an accident.  They MO is to make you put your CD back into
>> the system all the time.  That creates opportunity for accidents and
>> wear and tear.  The last time, I got so mad, I broke my CD so that I did
>> not have it to fall back on.  I wish I hadn't done that, I would like to
>> have a virtual machine, now that I better understand, but I will never
>> give Microsfoft another penny.  It may be cutting my nose off to spite
>> my face, but I want Linux to win this battle, and that kind of
>> commitment is necessary to make it happen, I believe.
>
>As far as I can tell, this means you have a XP license, just not a cd.
>In legaleseland, that might mean that you could get a XP cd from anyone,
>install it and use your serial number to activate it (and at least in
>Italy you have the right to make one copy of your original disc as a
>backup, so if the original medium gets damaged you don't have to buy a
>new one - applies to audio cds and dvd movies as well, even if it's not
>widely advertised...)
>
>>> What have you tried that didn't work? Have you tried creating virtual
>>> machines and installing operating systems into them?
>>
>> I was hoping there was some application out there that did not require
>> giving any money to Microsoft that would make the virtual environment
>> rather than using an actual Microsoft program.  Pretty naive, however,
>> that was the only way I would use it.
>
>to run windows programs, i.e. any of the free/open source ones, you may
>try looking into Wine. Or for the open source ones, use the linux version :P
>
>> The only thing I miss from Windows is Spider Solitaire, it was
>> entertaining once in a while.
>
>It's available in the KDE card games :) (KPath I seem to remember?)
>I.

You all have forgotten that M$ now uses Windows Genuine Advantage, aka WGA, to 
certify that it is running on the box it was originally installed on.  Any 
hardware change, a new hard drive, adding more memory, changing the video 
card, yadda yadda disables the logins and the box cannot be used until it 
gets re-registered, and arguing with them about it is a PITA, often denied, 
making you buy yet another copy.  I was given an hp desktop short tower by a 
neighbor because the psu had died.  I shoehorned a std psu into it, and since 
it only had 128 megs of memory added another stick beside that one which 
turned out not to be a match as it was a 256M stick. On the test powerup, WGA 
kicked in and would not allow a login, presumably because the memory had been 
tripled.  That sort of stuff I used to find on the ground behind the male of 
the bovine specie when I was a farm kid in Iowa 70 years ago.

Screw 'em and the camel that rode in on them, I tried Ubuntu-8.04 LTS, got 
tired of fighting with sudo every 30 seconds to get the stuff I wanted (KDE & 
friends) installed and put an F9 respin on it, much friendlier.  Whatever 
became of the sudo that was good for 10 minutes anyway?  Unforch, the dvd 
seems to have quit autobooting or the F10 I burnt is right but its sha1sum is 
good else I'd have already tried F10 on it.  That is after all what I fixed 
it up for, to use as a sacrificial test box.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
I wish I was a sex-starved manicurist found dead in the Bronx!!



From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 14:48:08 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:48:08 +0200
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>
	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200811301648.08663.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

On Sunday, 30 November 2008 16:31:15 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Whatever
> became of the sudo that was good for 10 minutes anyway?

We see these sudo threads quite often; the solution I use for permanent sudo 
is to:
sudo -i
(That's sudo dash i-as-in-lower-case-eye)
I keep a konsole tab open with this all the time! It never fails.

(I think of it as sudo -i-want-root-all-the-time-damnit!)
\d

-- 
"Unifying this world would take an alien invasion, and that would last just 
long enough for us to start losing badly against their superior technology, 
after which there would be an awe-inspiring race to stab each other in the 
back to curry favor with our new alien overlords. Face it, there's only so 
much you can do with a bunch of aggressive, paranoid primates no matter how 
smart they are."
-- Angst Badger /.

Fonty Python and other dev news at:
http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 14:44:16 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:44:16 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<4931DE4D.3040805@yahoo.it>	<4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
	<49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <4932A6C0.9030600@sbcglobal.net>

Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>>     
>>> To legally use windows on a virtual machine, you need a license for it. 
>>> What do you mean "not having XP any more"? Did you have it installed on 
>>> some computer, and was it preinstalled (a OEM version) or did you have a 
>>> separate copy you installed? The preinstalled OEM copies usually cannot 
>>> be used on any other hardware, so no virtual machine as well, but if you 
>>> had a regular copy you can use it.
>>>   
>>>       
>> This is the part that I did not understand well.  I don't know other 
>> people's reasons for leaving Microsoft products, but they hurt me.  If 
>> you register a purchase then have an accident and damage your CD, they 
>> make you pay again.  From Windows 95 through XP I always had a legal 
>> copy of Windows, however, when I had need for help, they made me pay, 
>> even though the problem was of their creation.  I don't see the value of 
>> registration, if they are unwilling to provide replacement when a 
>> customer has an accident.  They MO is to make you put your CD back into 
>> the system all the time.  That creates opportunity for accidents and 
>> wear and tear.  The last time, I got so mad, I broke my CD so that I did 
>> not have it to fall back on.  I wish I hadn't done that, I would like to 
>> have a virtual machine, now that I better understand, but I will never 
>> give Microsfoft another penny.  It may be cutting my nose off to spite 
>> my face, but I want Linux to win this battle, and that kind of 
>> commitment is necessary to make it happen, I believe.
>>     
>
> As far as I can tell, this means you have a XP license, just not a cd. 
> In legaleseland, that might mean that you could get a XP cd from anyone, 
> install it and use your serial number to activate it (and at least in 
> Italy you have the right to make one copy of your original disc as a 
> backup, so if the original medium gets damaged you don't have to buy a 
> new one - applies to audio cds and dvd movies as well, even if it's not 
> widely advertised...)
>   
Maybe it is possible, but I am totally alonne and pretty old.  The only 
people I see are the post man and an occasional meter reader.  I don't 
even know anyone with a computer, anymore.  But thanks.
>   
>>> What have you tried that didn't work? Have you tried creating virtual 
>>> machines and installing operating systems into them?
>>>   
>>>       
>> I was hoping there was some application out there that did not require 
>> giving any money to Microsoft that would make the virtual environment 
>> rather than using an actual Microsoft program.  Pretty naive, however, 
>> that was the only way I would use it.
>>     
>
> to run windows programs, i.e. any of the free/open source ones, you may 
> try looking into Wine. Or for the open source ones, use the linux version :P
>   
I do have wine.  I will try that. 
>   
>> The only thing I miss from Windows is Spider Solitaire, it was 
>> entertaining once in a while.
>>     

> It's available in the KDE card games :) (KPath I seem to remember?)
>   
I tried it.  It is very different from the Windows version.  Not so fun.
>
> I.
>
>
>   




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sun Nov 30 15:08:18 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:08:18 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <4931DE4D.3040805@yahoo.it>
	<4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811301008.18933.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Saturday 29 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> >  
>
> The only thing I miss from Windows is Spider Solitaire, it was
> entertaining once in a while.

Try 'pysol'

A whole bunch of solitaire games in the package.



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sun Nov 30 15:19:13 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:19:13 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>
	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Sunday 30 November 2008, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Screw 'em and the camel that rode in on them, I tried Ubuntu-8.04 LTS, got
> tired of fighting with sudo every 30 seconds to get the stuff I wanted (KDE
> & friends) installed and put an F9 respin on it, much friendlier.  Whatever
> became of the sudo that was good for 10 minutes anyway?

You can make it good forever by adding the line:

Defaults        timestamp_timeout=-1

to  /etc/sudoers

(That's a   -1)



From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 15:34:12 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:34:12 +0200
Subject: VM morphs into sudo thread :)
In-Reply-To: <200811301648.08663.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<200811301648.08663.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811301734.12097.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

Oh, I meant 'sudo -i' and then hit enter and your password. After that the 
konsole remains in sudo mode.

\d



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 15:36:09 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:36:09 +0200
Subject: Javascript Problem With Firefox 3.0
In-Reply-To: <20081129174653.6daeba66@graham-desktop>
References: <20081129174653.6daeba66@graham-desktop>
Message-ID: <4932B2E9.6080004@gmail.com>

Graham Todd wrote:
> Whenever I run Firefox, I get the following Javascript error message:
> 
> [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80570016
> (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]"  nsresult:
> "0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame ::
> chrome://speeddial/content/speeddialOverlay.js :: anonymous :: line
> 1017"  data: no]
> 
> What does it mean and what should I do to correct it?
> 

do you have the speed dial add-on? it looks like you have it, and it's 
causing this problem. you can remove the add-on, and retstart firefox to 
see if you still get the error, then try installing it again, hopefully, 
it would be installed correctly.

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Nov 30 15:42:29 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:42:29 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811301648.08663.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
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On Sunday 30 November 2008, Donn wrote:
>On Sunday, 30 November 2008 16:31:15 Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Whatever
>> became of the sudo that was good for 10 minutes anyway?
>
>We see these sudo threads quite often; the solution I use for permanent sudo
>is to:
>sudo -i
>(That's sudo dash i-as-in-lower-case-eye)
>I keep a konsole tab open with this all the time! It never fails.
>
>(I think of it as sudo -i-want-root-all-the-time-damnit!)
>\d

Thanks.  I don't have to do that with 6.06 though, which runs my milling  
machine, so its one command at a time caught me at a bad mood time.

Old farts are like that. :)

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
I loathe people who keep dogs.  They are cowards who haven't got the guts
to bite people themselves.
		-- August Strindberg



From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Nov 30 15:46:21 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:46:21 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <200811301046.21948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 30 November 2008, Bruce Marshall wrote:
>On Sunday 30 November 2008, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Screw 'em and the camel that rode in on them, I tried Ubuntu-8.04 LTS, got
>> tired of fighting with sudo every 30 seconds to get the stuff I wanted
>> (KDE & friends) installed and put an F9 respin on it, much friendlier.
>>  Whatever became of the sudo that was good for 10 minutes anyway?
>
>You can make it good forever by adding the line:
>
>Defaults        timestamp_timeout=-1
>
>to  /etc/sudoers
>
>(That's a   -1)

Thanks I might try that too the next time I install a U*, but when in such a 
session, who will own the files I might create in the process of configuring 
something?

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
I loathe people who keep dogs.  They are cowards who haven't got the guts
to bite people themselves.
		-- August Strindberg




From gene.heskett at verizon.net  Sun Nov 30 15:46:46 2008
From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:46:46 -0500
Subject: VM morphs into sudo thread :)
In-Reply-To: <200811301734.12097.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811301648.08663.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
	<200811301734.12097.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811301046.46405.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Sunday 30 November 2008, Donn wrote:
>Oh, I meant 'sudo -i' and then hit enter and your password. After that the
>konsole remains in sudo mode.
>
>\d

Understood, thanks.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Overdrawn?  But I still have checks left!



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sun Nov 30 15:52:13 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:52:13 -0600
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811300853.40968.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<4931DE4D.3040805@yahoo.it>	<4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811300853.40968.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4932B6AD.7090408@swbell.net>

nepal wrote:
> On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> The last time, I got so mad, I broke my CD so that I did
>> not have it to fall back on.  I wish I hadn't done that,
>> I would like to have a virtual machine, now that I better
>> understand, but I will never give Microsfoft another
>> penny.  It may be cutting my nose off to spite my face,
>> but I want Linux to win this battle, and that kind of
>> commitment is necessary to make it happen, I believe.
>>     
>
> I respect your determination to deprive M$ of any further 
> money. Well done, I do the same. Not because of anything 
> they did to me personally, but because of their disgusting 
> business practises. All they will ever get from me is my 
> greatest contempt. :)
>
> With regards your genuine copy of whichever version of 
> windows you have, my understanding is that you purchase the 
> license, and get a license number and activation code along 
> with the cd. That is how it was with the last genuine copy 
> of windows I had, win 95. The activation code is on the 
> little booklet that comes with the windows cd/dvd. I still 
> have it here somewhere.
>  
> So you could use any XP disk that is not your own, and use 
> your license/activation code that you did pay for. But M$ 
> being as dispicable as they are may well have closed that 
> loophole.
>
> nepal.
>
>   

IF:

Your computer has one of those "Genuine Microsoft" stickers on it with 
all the numbers on it most computer stores can give/sell you a CD of 
that version of Windows. Many just charge for the blank CD they burn it 
on. Take the disk home and load it on your computer, call Microsoft and 
give them the number on the sticker and some sob story about hard drive 
failure and they will give you an activation code. Punch that into your 
computer and ......

Your computer is an "off the shelf" unit and not to old sometimes you 
can order a _reload_ set from the manufacturer. These usually don't 
require re-activation from Microsoft. Down side to them is all the trash 
software they per-load.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sun Nov 30 16:24:05 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:24:05 -0600
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>	<49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>
	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
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On 11/30/2008 Gene Heskett wrote:
>  You all have forgotten that M$ now uses Windows Genuine Advantage,
>  aka WGA, to
>  certify that it is running on the box it was originally installed on.
>  Any
>  hardware change, a new hard drive, adding more memory, changing the
>  video
>  card, yadda yadda disables the logins and the box cannot be used
>  until it
>  gets re-registered, and arguing with them about it is a PITA, often
>  denied,
>  making you buy yet another copy.  I was given an hp desktop short
>  tower by a
>  neighbor because the psu had died.  I shoehorned a std psu into it,
>  and since
>  it only had 128 megs of memory added another stick beside that one
>  which
>  turned out not to be a match as it was a 256M stick. On the test
>  powerup, WGA
>  kicked in and would not allow a login, presumably because the memory
>  had been
>  tripled.  That sort of stuff I used to find on the ground behind the
>  male of
>  the bovine specie when I was a farm kid in Iowa 70 years ago.

We have repaired and/or rebuilt a lot of computers. We've never had a 
problem getting an authorization code from Microsoft. Biggest problem 
we've ever had was finding someone that spoke English to talk to on the 
phone.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.





From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sun Nov 30 16:43:56 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:43:56 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811301046.21948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<200811301046.21948.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <200811301143.56206.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Sunday 30 November 2008, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Thanks I might try that too the next time I install a U*, but when in such
> a session, who will own the files I might create in the process of
> configuring something?

Same as always....   Whoever you are when you create a file will own the file.

The timestamp  I mentioned  just says that you won't have to re-enter your 
password every time you use 'sudo'.    Just once a boot session.



From godshatter at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 16:54:24 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:54:24 -0800
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <200811300844.10116.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <4931F30F.3000006@dmiyu.org>
	<200811300844.10116.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4932C540.4000100@yahoo.com>

nepal wrote:
> On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Steve Lamb wrote:
>   
>>     My home usage is not so robust.  I have a single
>> VirtualBox VM which boots the KUbuntu partition on my
>> dual-boot machine.  When I'm playing games in WinXP and
>> need access to my Linux desktop I just run VM instead of
>> shut everything down, twiddle for a few minutes on the
>> Linux desktop, then reboot back into Windows and load up
>> my games again.  Something tells me that the reverse of
>> this is what most people would be looking for out of
>> VirtualBox and WinXP.  ;)
>>     
>
> When I looked into this I understand that the reverse is not 
> so good, i.e. running a VM inside Linux of a Windows system 
> because there is no support for 3d acceleration in VM. That 
> is exactly what I want to do, play 2 old win 95 games 
> inside a VM. Am I mistaken?
>
> nepal.
>   

The latest version of VMWare Player has support for DirectX 9.  It's 
slow, but it does work.  Your old Win 95 games would probably work OK, 
but you're not going to be able to play Crysis on it.  I installed 
Morrowind, and it started but it went to a black screen after about 30 
seconds of play when I walked to an area where there too many objects in 
view.

I purchased VMWare Workstation and built a VM for XP.  Now I've been 
running some older software that I've wanted to run but Wine couldn't 
handle.

Paul




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 18:33:50 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:33:50 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811301008.18933.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<4931DE4D.3040805@yahoo.it>	<4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811301008.18933.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <4932DC8E.6070002@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Saturday 29 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>>  
>>>       
>> The only thing I miss from Windows is Spider Solitaire, it was
>> entertaining once in a while.
>>     
>
> Try 'pysol'
>
> A whole bunch of solitaire games in the package.
>
>   
You are very kind.  Thank you.  I really don't play games very often.  I 
guess I may be getting too old.  Nonetheless, I do from time to time.  
There was a second level of difficulty that I enjoyed in the Microsoft 
version.  I used it to practice my memory.  Kind of like doing mental 
push-ups.  I would play not letting a second pass before my next click.  
That required instant thinking.  I got to the point where I could win 
more than I lost.  I miss the exercise.  I think I could keep my mind 
working stronger if I got that program back.  Spider Solitaire, I mean.  
Oh well, I purchased that program many times by purchasing versions of 
Windows, so if I ever just take it back, I won't feel like I have taken 
something that doesn't belong to me.

Cudos, Cheers! Ciao Bello, and Cordially my friend,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 18:37:42 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:37:42 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <4932DD76.6030403@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Sunday 30 November 2008, Gene Heskett wrote:
>   
>> Screw 'em and the camel that rode in on them, I tried Ubuntu-8.04 LTS, got
>> tired of fighting with sudo every 30 seconds to get the stuff I wanted (KDE
>> & friends) installed and put an F9 respin on it, much friendlier.  Whatever
>> became of the sudo that was good for 10 minutes anyway?
>>     
>
> You can make it good forever by adding the line:
>
> Defaults        timestamp_timeout=-1
>
> to  /etc/sudoers
>
> (That's a   -1)
>
>   
I have been very busy with something else, but I saved your last email.  
I read a bit, but have not worked that suggestion yet.  It looked like I 
needed another OS to use it; is that true.  I know I can find that out 
when I continue working on it, just not right now.  I operate Kubuntu 
Hardy KDE3.5.10, if that makes a difference.  Thanks!  I am saving this 
one too.

Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Steven



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Sun Nov 30 18:42:57 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:42:57 +0000
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net> <4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>
	<49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>
	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4932DEB1.5070901@yahoo.it>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 30 November 2008, Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>> Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
>>>> To legally use windows on a virtual machine, you need a license for it.
>>>> What do you mean "not having XP any more"? Did you have it installed on
>>>> some computer, and was it preinstalled (a OEM version) or did you have a
>>>> separate copy you installed? The preinstalled OEM copies usually cannot
>>>> be used on any other hardware, so no virtual machine as well, but if you
>>>> had a regular copy you can use it.
>>> This is the part that I did not understand well.  I don't know other
>>> people's reasons for leaving Microsoft products, but they hurt me.  If
>>> you register a purchase then have an accident and damage your CD, they
>>> make you pay again.  From Windows 95 through XP I always had a legal
>>> copy of Windows, however, when I had need for help, they made me pay,
>>> even though the problem was of their creation.  I don't see the value of
>>> registration, if they are unwilling to provide replacement when a
>>> customer has an accident.  They MO is to make you put your CD back into
>>> the system all the time.  That creates opportunity for accidents and
>>> wear and tear.  The last time, I got so mad, I broke my CD so that I did
>>> not have it to fall back on.  I wish I hadn't done that, I would like to
>>> have a virtual machine, now that I better understand, but I will never
>>> give Microsfoft another penny.  It may be cutting my nose off to spite
>>> my face, but I want Linux to win this battle, and that kind of
>>> commitment is necessary to make it happen, I believe.
>> As far as I can tell, this means you have a XP license, just not a cd.
>> In legaleseland, that might mean that you could get a XP cd from anyone,
>> install it and use your serial number to activate it (and at least in
>> Italy you have the right to make one copy of your original disc as a
>> backup, so if the original medium gets damaged you don't have to buy a
>> new one - applies to audio cds and dvd movies as well, even if it's not
>> widely advertised...)
>>
>>>> What have you tried that didn't work? Have you tried creating virtual
>>>> machines and installing operating systems into them?
>>> I was hoping there was some application out there that did not require
>>> giving any money to Microsoft that would make the virtual environment
>>> rather than using an actual Microsoft program.  Pretty naive, however,
>>> that was the only way I would use it.
>> to run windows programs, i.e. any of the free/open source ones, you may
>> try looking into Wine. Or for the open source ones, use the linux version :P
>>
>>> The only thing I miss from Windows is Spider Solitaire, it was
>>> entertaining once in a while.
>> It's available in the KDE card games :) (KPath I seem to remember?)
>> I.
> 
> You all have forgotten that M$ now uses Windows Genuine Advantage, aka WGA, to 
> certify that it is running on the box it was originally installed on.  Any 
> hardware change, a new hard drive, adding more memory, changing the video 
> card, yadda yadda disables the logins and the box cannot be used until it 
> gets re-registered, and arguing with them about it is a PITA, often denied, 
> making you buy yet another copy.  I was given an hp desktop short tower by a 
> neighbor because the psu had died.  I shoehorned a std psu into it, and since 
> it only had 128 megs of memory added another stick beside that one which 
> turned out not to be a match as it was a 256M stick. On the test powerup, WGA 
> kicked in and would not allow a login, presumably because the memory had been 
> tripled.  That sort of stuff I used to find on the ground behind the male of 
> the bovine specie when I was a farm kid in Iowa 70 years ago.

:D from my related memories of about 10 years ago, that does not 
significantly differ from what's found behind the females of the same 
species... I don't know about the Genuine disAdvantage, but right after 
the first install on VirtualBox I made a copy of the disk image file, 
and it seems to stay authorized when mounted in a new VM, so there 
should be no problems as far as I don't change the configuration of the 
VM too much... not that I have much use for it anyway...
I.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 18:44:15 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:44:15 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <4932DEFF.50507@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Sunday 30 November 2008, Gene Heskett wrote:
>   
>> Screw 'em and the camel that rode in on them, I tried Ubuntu-8.04 LTS, got
>> tired of fighting with sudo every 30 seconds to get the stuff I wanted (KDE
>> & friends) installed and put an F9 respin on it, much friendlier.  Whatever
>> became of the sudo that was good for 10 minutes anyway?
>>     
>
> You can make it good forever by adding the line:
>
> Defaults        timestamp_timeout=-1
>
> to  /etc/sudoers
>
> (That's a   -1)
>
>   
I am still basically stupid, Bruce.  Do I type in:

steven at Studio25:~$ sudo /etc/sudoers Defaults timestamp_timeout=-l

I wish I wasn't so dense; you probably have given sufficient instruction 
before; with me it takes a bit of repetition and practice before it 
sinks in to my memory.

Thanks, friend,

Steven



From ignazio_io at yahoo.it  Sun Nov 30 18:48:02 2008
From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:48:02 +0000
Subject: OT KPath (was: Re: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**)
In-Reply-To: <4932A6C0.9030600@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
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Steven Vollom wrote:
>>> The only thing I miss from Windows is Spider Solitaire, it was 
>>> entertaining once in a while.
>>>     
> 
>> It's available in the KDE card games :) (KPath I seem to remember?)
>>   
> I tried it.  It is very different from the Windows version.  Not so fun.


The only difference I could see is that the undo works forever and not 
up to the last card distribution :) and the fact that there are many 
games in a single program...
I.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 18:49:02 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:49:02 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <4932B6AD.7090408@swbell.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>	<4931DE4D.3040805@yahoo.it>	<4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>	<200811300853.40968.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
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Billie Walsh wrote:
> nepal wrote:
>   
>> On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> The last time, I got so mad, I broke my CD so that I did
>>> not have it to fall back on.  I wish I hadn't done that,
>>> I would like to have a virtual machine, now that I better
>>> understand, but I will never give Microsfoft another
>>> penny.  It may be cutting my nose off to spite my face,
>>> but I want Linux to win this battle, and that kind of
>>> commitment is necessary to make it happen, I believe.
>>>     
>>>       
>> I respect your determination to deprive M$ of any further 
>> money. Well done, I do the same. Not because of anything 
>> they did to me personally, but because of their disgusting 
>> business practises. All they will ever get from me is my 
>> greatest contempt. :)
>>
>> With regards your genuine copy of whichever version of 
>> windows you have, my understanding is that you purchase the 
>> license, and get a license number and activation code along 
>> with the cd. That is how it was with the last genuine copy 
>> of windows I had, win 95. The activation code is on the 
>> little booklet that comes with the windows cd/dvd. I still 
>> have it here somewhere.
>>  
>> So you could use any XP disk that is not your own, and use 
>> your license/activation code that you did pay for. But M$ 
>> being as dispicable as they are may well have closed that 
>> loophole.
>>
>> nepal.
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> IF:
>
> Your computer has one of those "Genuine Microsoft" stickers on it with 
> all the numbers on it most computer stores can give/sell you a CD of 
> that version of Windows. Many just charge for the blank CD they burn it 
> on. Take the disk home and load it on your computer, call Microsoft and 
> give them the number on the sticker and some sob story about hard drive 
> failure and they will give you an activation code. Punch that into your 
> computer and ......
>
> Your computer is an "off the shelf" unit and not to old sometimes you 
> can order a _reload_ set from the manufacturer. These usually don't 
> require re-activation from Microsoft. Down side to them is all the trash 
> software they per-load.
>   
Thanks again, friends.  This is the best forum ever.  It should be a 
model for all others.

Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Steven




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 18:50:54 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:50:54 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <4932BE25.5090302@swbell.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>	<4931F6E9.7090900@sbcglobal.net>	<49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
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Billie Walsh wrote:
> On 11/30/2008 Gene Heskett wrote:
>   
>>  You all have forgotten that M$ now uses Windows Genuine Advantage,
>>  aka WGA, to
>>  certify that it is running on the box it was originally installed on.
>>  Any
>>  hardware change, a new hard drive, adding more memory, changing the
>>  video
>>  card, yadda yadda disables the logins and the box cannot be used
>>  until it
>>  gets re-registered, and arguing with them about it is a PITA, often
>>  denied,
>>  making you buy yet another copy.  I was given an hp desktop short
>>  tower by a
>>  neighbor because the psu had died.  I shoehorned a std psu into it,
>>  and since
>>  it only had 128 megs of memory added another stick beside that one
>>  which
>>  turned out not to be a match as it was a 256M stick. On the test
>>  powerup, WGA
>>  kicked in and would not allow a login, presumably because the memory
>>  had been
>>  tripled.  That sort of stuff I used to find on the ground behind the
>>  male of
>>  the bovine specie when I was a farm kid in Iowa 70 years ago.
>>     
>
> We have repaired and/or rebuilt a lot of computers. We've never had a 
> problem getting an authorization code from Microsoft. Biggest problem 
> we've ever had was finding someone that spoke English to talk to on the 
> phone.
>
>   
It will probably be a task for Linux programmers to create a translator 
for a translator some day.

Happy days,

Steven



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 30 18:52:50 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:52:50 +0000
Subject: unwanted package upgrades SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <200811271050.05749.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <200811271050.05749.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200811301852.51099.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Thursday 27 Nov 2008, nepal wrote:
> If there is a package such as the ssh packages that I
> have no use for (AFAICT) and would like to not have
> installed or enabled on my pc say for better security, is
> there any way to instruct Adept Notifier or any other
> similar package update mgr that I do not wish to upgrade
> and remove it from the list of available upgrades. Or is
> this a dumb question and if the original package is not
> installed then there would be no option to upgrade.
>
> If that is the case, how can I determine if it is safe to
> remove such a package.
>
> nepal.

I can answer my own question now. It was a dumb question.

I checked in synaptic, saw that openssh client and server 
packages were listed in the Status/Installed/Upgradable 
list. 

I selected to remove the packages and then checked in 
synaptic what was going to be removed and only those two 
packages were listed and had synaptic remove them.

Now they have disappeared from the upgrade list.

This was obvious by checking in synaptic, but it wasn't 
obvious to me going by Adept Notifier.

nepal.



From barnaby at drofle.com  Sun Nov 30 18:53:37 2008
From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:53:37 +0000
Subject: Web email
Message-ID: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com>

I will be away on holiday soon for about three weeks. I am wondering 
about setting up some sort of web based email so that I can be contacted 
while I am away.

Any recommendations please? I know about yahoo mail but there must be 
better ones. I have already looked at a few, including squirrelmail and 
atmail. But it is always better to rely on help from list members rather 
than to go by what I find through Google.

Thanks

Neil Winchurst



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 30 19:02:32 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:02:32 +0000
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <4932C540.4000100@yahoo.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
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On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> The latest version of VMWare Player has support for
> DirectX 9.  It's slow, but it does work.  Your old Win 95
> games would probably work OK, but you're not going to be
> able to play Crysis on it.

I've no idea what Crysis is so that is not a problem.

The two games I want to play are AvP I and SegaRallye 2.
Both need decent 3d acceleration to be playable, but I may 
initially try wine which I haven't done in a long while, 
see how that goes first. To go the VM route I think I would 
need to up my RAM which is presently only 512mb.

nepal.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 19:08:26 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:08:26 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?  **RESOLVED**  What I wanted to know, 
	was answered.  I am not interested anymore. THANKS TO ALL
In-Reply-To: <200811292346.51882.pandarsson@yahoo.com>
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Constantinos Maltezos wrote:
> On Saturday 29 November 2008 9:33:31 pm Steven Vollom wrote:
> <snip>
>   
>> I had two motivations in this post; neither are something I am proud of.
>>
>> I wanted a way to avoid giving Microsoft any more money and still use
>> what I wanted from them.  Additionally, I wanted to download a movie I
>> didn't pay for.  Neither reason is worthy of publishing.
>>     
> <snip>
>
> I don't judge you for those.  I don't do them (I used to), but I can 
> understand some reasoning behind doing the things you mention.  However, 
> please allow me to encourage you (if you're not doing this already) and anyone 
> else interested to at the very least check out alternative sources.  You're 
> already using Linux and, by your act of asking questions and making 
> suggestions, contributing, so that's a good thing.  However, there is music 
> and other art released under the Creative Commons or similar licensing and 
> some of it is very good.  Movies cost a lot to make, but some of the best 
> movies are made independently of the big studios and are more worthy of 
> handing over a little of your hard-earned money for.  And I can guarantee you 
> that somewhere in your area, there's a group of amateur actors and film crew 
> hopefuls making little films that will show in an art house for free.  And if 
> you want to see something neat and also free, search the web for the 48 Hour 
> Film Project.  It's a contest where a group of people who are interested in 
> trying it get together and are given 48 hours to write, rehearse and film a 
> short.  Go through the winners - they are only a few minutes long each and 
> amazing.  (And as a theatre person, I have to mention that community theatre 
> can be fun and fairly cheap and much more intimate than a movie.)
>
> Anyway, I wonder if you misunderstood me in my previous message.  I only meant 
> that a thread we start can take life even when we're through with it and 
> others can learn from it.
>
>   
Thank you.  I did understand you.  It was a while past when someone 
mentioned my post using up a bit too much List space.  I only want to 
contribute, along with receive necessary help, I do not want to change 
or disrupt the List.  Since that instruction, I have tried to do as 
suggested and post a resolved when my question was answered 
satisfactorily.  I guess perhaps I don't understand when I should post 
**Resolved**.  I have noticed this last entry on why virtual machine 
have a life after   ** RESOLVED **.  I actually love the extra 
information.  I am just trying to make sure I fit in.  I appreciate your 
comments and understanding in the matter.  I just love this forum.

Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Steven



From nepal.roade at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 30 19:10:12 2008
From: nepal.roade at googlemail.com (nepal)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:10:12 +0000
Subject: Web email
In-Reply-To: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com>
References: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <200811301910.12401.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Neil Winchurst wrote:
> I will be away on holiday soon for about three weeks. I
> am wondering about setting up some sort of web based
> email so that I can be contacted while I am away.
>
> Any recommendations please? I know about yahoo mail but
> there must be better ones. I have already looked at a
> few, including squirrelmail and atmail. But it is always
> better to rely on help from list members rather than to
> go by what I find through Google.
>
> Thanks
>
> Neil Winchurst

I find googlemail works perfectly, I post to this list with 
it, but have it set up in KMail. I could just as easily 
access all the mail via the google web interface if I were 
away from my computer for some time. Damn, it is even more 
reliable than the mail (lack of) service provided by my ISP 
which is no end of trouble. I can send you an invite if you 
wish to make it easier.

nepal.




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 19:13:50 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:13:50 -0500
Subject: OT KPath
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Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>>>> The only thing I miss from Windows is Spider Solitaire, it was 
>>>> entertaining once in a while.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> It's available in the KDE card games :) (KPath I seem to remember?)
>>>   
>>>       
>> I tried it.  It is very different from the Windows version.  Not so fun.
>>     
>
>
> The only difference I could see is that the undo works forever and not 
> up to the last card distribution :) and the fact that there are many 
> games in a single program...
> I.
>
>   
I may have been looking at the wrong package.  I will take another 
look.  Thanks!

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 19:18:24 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:18:24 -0500
Subject: Kubuntu Hardy won't play .bin movie?
In-Reply-To: <4932A0B6.5040302@web.de>
References: <49317583.7000207@sbcglobal.net> <4932A0B6.5040302@web.de>
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Octavian Florea wrote:
> On 11/29/2008 07:01 PM, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I am previewing a movie for my grandbabies.  It is a Nancy Drew
>> Mystery.  I is a Rar file that has a file association of .bin.  I
>> Googled for the correct player which was Helix.  I installed but the
>> player does not work.  It suggests it is missing  bin  .  Can't find a
>> missing dependency.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>    
>>     
> Just to make sure, are you certain that it is a video file? Since rar 
> seas it as an archive, couldn't it by any chance be a disk image? Does 
> it come with an accompanying .cue file?
> Because then you'll just have to mount it and play it like any cd / dvd.
>
>
>
>   
I downloaded it from a torrent source, like Mininova.  I don't remember 
which.  It was different from all other rar's I downloaded, in that, 
after Kate opens it, it is shown as a .bin.  As I recall, they usually 
show as .avi files.  When I attempt to open it, I get a choice of 
players; I choose Helix, because it is the one that said it could play 
.bin's.  I don't understand this any more than I appear to understand.  
Thanks!

Steven



From godshatter at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 19:25:16 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:25:16 -0800
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <200811301902.33060.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>	<200811300844.10116.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<4932C540.4000100@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <4932E89C.2000809@yahoo.com>

nepal wrote:
> On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
>   
>> The latest version of VMWare Player has support for
>> DirectX 9.  It's slow, but it does work.  Your old Win 95
>> games would probably work OK, but you're not going to be
>> able to play Crysis on it.
>>     
>
> I've no idea what Crysis is so that is not a problem.
>
> The two games I want to play are AvP I and SegaRallye 2.
> Both need decent 3d acceleration to be playable, but I may 
> initially try wine which I haven't done in a long while, 
> see how that goes first. To go the VM route I think I would 
> need to up my RAM which is presently only 512mb.
>
> nepal.
>
>   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crysis

Crysis is renowned for needing a hefty machine to play it.

If you have 512M of memory, you should definitely add more before trying 
a VM.  I run my VM itself at 768M. 

I've had some good luck lately with Wine, but it's still hit and miss.  
The biggest thing that will get in your way is if your games have copy 
protection.  That doesn't work well with Wine, although the older copy 
protection schemes might be farther along in Wine.  Wine has definitely 
come a long way.  I have been downloading the Wine tarball from the 
www.winehq.org and installing from source so that I can get a reasonably 
recent copy because it is advancing so quickly.

Paul




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 19:25:43 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:25:43 -0500
Subject: Web email
In-Reply-To: <200811301910.12401.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
References: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com>
	<200811301910.12401.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4932E8B7.8080806@sbcglobal.net>

nepal wrote:
> On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Neil Winchurst wrote:
>   
>> I will be away on holiday soon for about three weeks. I
>> am wondering about setting up some sort of web based
>> email so that I can be contacted while I am away.
>>
>> Any recommendations please? I know about yahoo mail but
>> there must be better ones. I have already looked at a
>> few, including squirrelmail and atmail. But it is always
>> better to rely on help from list members rather than to
>> go by what I find through Google.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Neil Winchurst
>>     
>
> I find googlemail works perfectly, I post to this list with 
> it, but have it set up in KMail. I could just as easily 
> access all the mail via the google web interface if I were 
> away from my computer for some time. Damn, it is even more 
> reliable than the mail (lack of) service provided by my ISP 
> which is no end of trouble. I can send you an invite if you 
> wish to make it easier.
>
> nepal.
>
>
>   
I use gmail by Google too.  I use it when I want a protected return 
address.  I set it up so that people who send mail to svollom at gmail.com 
is then transferred to my home account.  I never see it happen.  But I 
would think that would work for you, if I understand the problem.

Cheers! friend,

Steven



From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 19:28:24 2008
From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:28:24 +0200
Subject: Web email
In-Reply-To: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com>
References: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <4932E958.8050807@gmail.com>

Neil Winchurst wrote:
> I will be away on holiday soon for about three weeks. I am wondering 
> about setting up some sort of web based email so that I can be contacted 
> while I am away.
> 
> Any recommendations please? I know about yahoo mail but there must be 
> better ones. I have already looked at a few, including squirrelmail and 
> atmail. But it is always better to rely on help from list members rather 
> than to go by what I find through Google.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Neil Winchurst
> 

googlemail or gmail is your bes option. i'm not sure if yahoo 
implemented this feature yet, but in gmail, or messages are organized in 
conversations according to their subject, similar to tree view in 
thunderbird

-- 
Willy K. Hamra
Manager of Hamra Information Systems
Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net
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From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 19:32:03 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:32:03 -0500
Subject: Compiz Fusion help needed.
Message-ID: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net>

About a month ago, I installed Compiz to take advantage of the cube and 
multiple desktops.  It made it easier to keep track of several things 
happening at the same time.  Nonetheless, it did not work as 
advertised.  It works pretty well, but I am only able to get 2 desktops 
on my computer.  I would prefer 4.  I set it up so that I could use the 
wheel on the mouse to move from desktop to desktop.

When I attempt to change to 4 desktops, I click apple and even re-boot 
to set the changes, however they never take.  It always returns to two 
desktops on my Kmenu links bar (the one that drops down, when I put my 
cursor in the upper left corner of the Desktop screen).  And, in System 
Settings where I set the choice, it returns to one desktop each time.  A 
little confusing, I realize, with one only in Systems Settings, and two 
on the Desktop, while 4 requested.  Has anyone experienced and fixed 
this unusual situation?

Thanks in Advance,

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 19:35:27 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:35:27 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine?
In-Reply-To: <4932E89C.2000809@yahoo.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>	<200811300844.10116.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>	<4932C540.4000100@yahoo.com>	<200811301902.33060.nepal.roade@googlemail.com>
	<4932E89C.2000809@yahoo.com>
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Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> nepal wrote:
>   
>> On Sunday 30 Nov 2008, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> The latest version of VMWare Player has support for
>>> DirectX 9.  It's slow, but it does work.  Your old Win 95
>>> games would probably work OK, but you're not going to be
>>> able to play Crysis on it.
>>>     
>>>       
>> I've no idea what Crysis is so that is not a problem.
>>
>> The two games I want to play are AvP I and SegaRallye 2.
>> Both need decent 3d acceleration to be playable, but I may 
>> initially try wine which I haven't done in a long while, 
>> see how that goes first. To go the VM route I think I would 
>> need to up my RAM which is presently only 512mb.
>>
>> nepal.
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crysis
>
> Crysis is renowned for needing a hefty machine to play it.
>
> If you have 512M of memory, you should definitely add more before trying 
> a VM.  I run my VM itself at 768M. 
>
> I've had some good luck lately with Wine, but it's still hit and miss.  
> The biggest thing that will get in your way is if your games have copy 
> protection.  That doesn't work well with Wine, although the older copy 
> protection schemes might be farther along in Wine.  Wine has definitely 
> come a long way.  I have been downloading the Wine tarball from the 
> www.winehq.org and installing from source so that I can get a reasonably 
> recent copy because it is advancing so quickly.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   
I installed using Adept Package Manager; I have notice wine updates 
along with other updates automatically.  I am using Hardy, KDE3.5.10.

Steven



From donn.ingle at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 19:53:08 2008
From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:53:08 +0200
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <4932DEFF.50507@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<4932DEFF.50507@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811302153.08469.donn.ingle@gmail.com>

On Sunday, 30 November 2008 20:44:15 Steven Vollom wrote:
> I am still basically stupid, Bruce.  Do I type in:
This sub-thread has nothing to do with your original post. It's about root 
access via sudo and is dangerous if you don't know what you are doing. I 
would suggest you forget you ever saw it!

This post will self-destruct in 10,9,8,7....


:D
\d



From bilwalsh at swbell.net  Sun Nov 30 20:01:48 2008
From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:01:48 -0600
Subject: Web email
In-Reply-To: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com>
References: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com>
Message-ID: <4932F12C.5040309@swbell.net>

Neil Winchurst wrote:
> I will be away on holiday soon for about three weeks. I am wondering 
> about setting up some sort of web based email so that I can be contacted 
> while I am away.
>
> Any recommendations please? I know about yahoo mail but there must be 
> better ones. I have already looked at a few, including squirrelmail and 
> atmail. But it is always better to rely on help from list members rather 
> than to go by what I find through Google.
>
> Thanks
>
> Neil Winchurst
>
>   

Do you have a laptop that your planning on taking?

If yes then just set up your regular e-mail account on it. You will be 
able to get your mail from anyplace you can get an internet connection. 
Just don't forget to turn off your home computer, or at least your 
e-mail program on it.

-- 
Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.




From godshatter at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 20:10:46 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:10:46 -0800
Subject: Compiz Fusion help needed.
In-Reply-To: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4932F346.8020305@yahoo.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> About a month ago, I installed Compiz to take advantage of the cube and 
> multiple desktops.  It made it easier to keep track of several things 
> happening at the same time.  Nonetheless, it did not work as 
> advertised.  It works pretty well, but I am only able to get 2 desktops 
> on my computer.  I would prefer 4.  I set it up so that I could use the 
> wheel on the mouse to move from desktop to desktop.
>
> When I attempt to change to 4 desktops, I click apple and even re-boot 
> to set the changes, however they never take.  It always returns to two 
> desktops on my Kmenu links bar (the one that drops down, when I put my 
> cursor in the upper left corner of the Desktop screen).  And, in System 
> Settings where I set the choice, it returns to one desktop each time.  A 
> little confusing, I realize, with one only in Systems Settings, and two 
> on the Desktop, while 4 requested.  Has anyone experienced and fixed 
> this unusual situation?
>
> Thanks in Advance,
>
> Steven
>
>   

I think I went through something like this when I installed it the first 
time.  There is a setting in the Advanced Desktop Effects Settings under 
General.  There is a tab called Desktop Size.  I use the cube with eight 
desktops (actually an octagon, I guess).  So when I spin around between 
desktops I have eight to choose  from.  To get this, I set the 
Horizontal Virtual Size to 8, and left the other two at 1.  If you want 
an actual cube, set the Horizontal Virtual Size to 4.

Under System Settings > Desktop > Multiple Desktops, I have the number 
of desktops set to 1.

Paul




From rjlapham at cinci.rr.com  Sun Nov 30 20:13:26 2008
From: rjlapham at cinci.rr.com (Jerry Lapham)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:13:26 -0500
Subject: Web email
In-Reply-To: <4932F12C.5040309@swbell.net>
References: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com> <4932F12C.5040309@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200811301513.27140.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>

On Sunday 30 November 2008 3:01:48 pm Billie Walsh wrote:

> If yes then just set up your regular e-mail account on it. You will be
> able to get your mail from anyplace you can get an internet connection.
> Just don't forget to turn off your home computer, or at least your
> e-mail program on it.

But chances are if you are using your ISP's e-mail, it won't accept e-mail 
posts from you when you're not on their system.  When I'm away I download my 
e-mail from my cinci.rr.com account to Kmail but I have to reply via their 
webmail.

	-Jerry
-- 
=============================================
Jerry Lapham
Monroe, OH  45050
rjlapham at cinci.rr.com
=============================================
Jay Leno: "[Hillary] has changed her appearance so much in the last year, at 
one of the campaign rallies, Bill accidentally hit on her."



From news at pointerstop.ca  Sun Nov 30 19:33:00 2008
From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:33 -0400
Subject: I want to know if I have badblocks on my sdb5 HDD.
References: <492586B0.6070805@sbcglobal.net>
	<4594384.PmoyBxB3Gi@cedar.serverforest.com>
	<4927DAC9.6030608@free.fr>
Message-ID: <18090538.DOeA8WMAcO@cedar.serverforest.com>

Frederic Schaer wrote:

> I'm coming after the battle, but if smart reports there are bad blocks
> (using the previous given smartctl -a /dev/sdXX command), given the
> price of hard drives and given the price of your own data integrity
> (your data has no price, does it ?), I would directly go buy a new
> disk...

I'm coming back even later, having been gone for a week, and I don't 
know smartctl, but it was my understanding that drives practically 
_always_ have bad blocks.  But there are blocks that are bad because 
it's too expensive to make every disk perfect in the manufacturing 
process, and there are blocks that are bad because the hardware is 
failing (either the medium, or the head mechanisms).  Basically, if you 
can tell that the bad block count is increasing at an accelerating rate, 
you have imminent hardware failure.
-- 
derek




From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sun Nov 30 20:35:15 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:35:15 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <4932DEFF.50507@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<4932DEFF.50507@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811301535.15699.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Sunday 30 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> I am still basically stupid, Bruce.  Do I type in:
>
> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo /etc/sudoers Defaults timestamp_timeout=-l
>
> I wish I wasn't so dense; you probably have given sufficient instruction
> before; with me it takes a bit of repetition and practice before it
> sinks in to my memory.

No, you need to edit the file:   /etc/suoders


So you need:    sudo <editor of choice>   /etc/sudoers

and then enter the line in the editor and file the file.



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 20:36:48 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:36:48 -0500
Subject: Web email
In-Reply-To: <200811301513.27140.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
References: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com> <4932F12C.5040309@swbell.net>
	<200811301513.27140.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4932F960.30303@sbcglobal.net>

Jerry Lapham wrote:
> On Sunday 30 November 2008 3:01:48 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
>
>   
>> If yes then just set up your regular e-mail account on it. You will be
>> able to get your mail from anyplace you can get an internet connection.
>> Just don't forget to turn off your home computer, or at least your
>> e-mail program on it.
>>     
>
> But chances are if you are using your ISP's e-mail, it won't accept e-mail 
> posts from you when you're not on their system.  When I'm away I download my 
> e-mail from my cinci.rr.com account to Kmail but I have to reply via their 
> webmail.
>
> 	-Jerry
>   
I believe you can set up gmail to automatically forward mail to your 
home account.  You can do and undo that at will on the road from the 
gmail site.

Steven



From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 30 20:37:34 2008
From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:37:34 +0000
Subject: Access to local printer from Vista client
Message-ID: <4932F98E.5050309@btinternet.com>

I have some rather half-assed ideas about how to go about getting my 
Vista laptop client to print files onto my USB printer, looking at 
smb.conf, cups.conf and the network printing guff on Vista, I'm a little 
scared about getting my sticky fingers into any of it. I've got the 
'print' and 'samba' configs installed but I'm not sure how they go 
together, can anybody help please. None of the help centre files seem to 
be installed for the above.
Brian



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 20:38:08 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:38:08 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811302153.08469.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>	<200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<4932DEFF.50507@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811302153.08469.donn.ingle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4932F9B0.5090805@sbcglobal.net>

Donn wrote:
> On Sunday, 30 November 2008 20:44:15 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I am still basically stupid, Bruce.  Do I type in:
>>     
> This sub-thread has nothing to do with your original post. It's about root 
> access via sudo and is dangerous if you don't know what you are doing. I 
> would suggest you forget you ever saw it!
>
> This post will self-destruct in 10,9,8,7....
>
>
> :D
> \d
>
>   
How do I learn, if I avoid the participation?

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 20:48:14 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:48:14 -0500
Subject: Compiz Fusion help needed.
In-Reply-To: <4932F346.8020305@yahoo.com>
References: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net> <4932F346.8020305@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4932FC0E.3020205@sbcglobal.net>

Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> About a month ago, I installed Compiz to take advantage of the cube and 
>> multiple desktops.  It made it easier to keep track of several things 
>> happening at the same time.  Nonetheless, it did not work as 
>> advertised.  It works pretty well, but I am only able to get 2 desktops 
>> on my computer.  I would prefer 4.  I set it up so that I could use the 
>> wheel on the mouse to move from desktop to desktop.
>>
>> When I attempt to change to 4 desktops, I click apple and even re-boot 
>> to set the changes, however they never take.  It always returns to two 
>> desktops on my Kmenu links bar (the one that drops down, when I put my 
>> cursor in the upper left corner of the Desktop screen).  And, in System 
>> Settings where I set the choice, it returns to one desktop each time.  A 
>> little confusing, I realize, with one only in Systems Settings, and two 
>> on the Desktop, while 4 requested.  Has anyone experienced and fixed 
>> this unusual situation?
>>
>> Thanks in Advance,
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> I think I went through something like this when I installed it the first 
> time.  There is a setting in the Advanced Desktop Effects Settings under 
> General.  There is a tab called Desktop Size.  I use the cube with eight 
> desktops (actually an octagon, I guess).  So when I spin around between 
> desktops I have eight to choose  from.  To get this, I set the 
> Horizontal Virtual Size to 8, and left the other two at 1.  If you want 
> an actual cube, set the Horizontal Virtual Size to 4.
>
> Under System Settings > Desktop > Multiple Desktops, I have the number 
> of desktops set to 1.
>
> Paul
>   
Dear Paul,

You got me laughing, I am so happy.  I have eight now.  Are you actually 
seeing an octagon?  I just seem to be rotating the desktop as a whole.  
This isn't just fun, it is totally useful.  I am always working with 
several pages on the desktop.  Now I can separate projects.  What a 
wonderful tool.  This is just great.

I have never played with Compiz yet.  I have been too busy learning 
things that are a priority.  It will be fun when I can take the time.  
Do you use any other features of Compiz that are so useful?

Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Steven
>
>   




From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk  Sun Nov 30 21:11:31 2008
From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (andrew heggie)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:11:31 +0000
Subject: Web email
In-Reply-To: <4932F960.30303@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com>
	<200811301513.27140.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>
	<4932F960.30303@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811302111.31499.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk>

On Sunday 30 November 2008 20:36:48 Steven Vollom wrote:
> I believe you can set up gmail to automatically forward mail to your
> home account.  You can do and undo that at will on the road from the
> gmail site

The labelling and filtering facility means you can forward only specific mail 
to a normal mailbox. it's good for filtering out high traffic email lists 
like this one when internet access is limited. The spam killing is good too 
and it has some ability to learn.

Andrew Heggie



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 21:19:35 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:19:35 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811301535.15699.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>	<200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>	<4932DEFF.50507@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811301535.15699.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <49330367.1040708@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Sunday 30 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I am still basically stupid, Bruce.  Do I type in:
>>
>> steven at Studio25:~$ sudo /etc/sudoers Defaults timestamp_timeout=-l
>>
>> I wish I wasn't so dense; you probably have given sufficient instruction
>> before; with me it takes a bit of repetition and practice before it
>> sinks in to my memory.
>>     
>
> No, you need to edit the file:   /etc/suoders
>
>
> So you need:    sudo <editor of choice>   /etc/sudoers
>
> and then enter the line in the editor and file the file.
>
>   
Dear Bruce,

I got this on the terminal:

steven at Studio25:~$ sudo kate /etc/sudoers
[sudo] password for steven:
Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-steven" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
Error: "/tmp/kde-steven" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
Error: "/tmp/ksocket-steven" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.

I don't know how to correct the error, or if I must.

I got this when Kate opened:

# /etc/sudoers
#
# This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
#
# See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file.
# Defaults

Defaults    !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn

# Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to not need a password
# %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL

# Host alias specification

# User alias specification

# Cmnd alias specification

# User privilege specification
root    ALL=(ALL) ALL

# Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL

This is the first time I have heard of 'visudo'.  How do I get the 
correct man pages so I can study this before proceeding?

Do I type in:  sudo man visudo ?

Please translate in nubie terms:   'Defaults    !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn'

Do I cut and paste the following?:

# Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to not need a password
# %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL

# Host alias specification

# User alias specification

# Cmnd alias specification

# User privilege specification
root    ALL=(ALL) ALL

# Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL

Don't be afraid for me.  I have done this kind of thing with no help at 
all.   If I screw things up, I will recover and probably learn something 
in the process.  One thing you don't have to worry about is my being 
careless when I see a # in a terminal.  It is like bells and whistles 
and flashing lights to me.  I learned that while experimenting.  It is 
no longer a problem.

Best way for me to learn is action.

Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially my friend,

Steven





From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 21:24:21 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:24:21 -0500
Subject: Web email
In-Reply-To: <200811302111.31499.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
References: <4932E131.2060201@drofle.com>	<200811301513.27140.rjlapham@cinci.rr.com>	<4932F960.30303@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811302111.31499.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49330485.2040707@sbcglobal.net>

andrew heggie wrote:
> On Sunday 30 November 2008 20:36:48 Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> I believe you can set up gmail to automatically forward mail to your
>> home account.  You can do and undo that at will on the road from the
>> gmail site
>>     
>
> The labelling and filtering facility means you can forward only specific mail 
> to a normal mailbox. it's good for filtering out high traffic email lists 
> like this one when internet access is limited. The spam killing is good too 
> and it has some ability to learn.
>
> Andrew Heggie
>
>   
I have used the service for quite a while, however, my needs are very 
minimal, so you already understand more than me.  I can give it to 
people I am not sure of yet, and yet, can't be hurt when I make a 
foolish choice.  I have a friend who has half dozen gmail accounts.  I 
hope it functions well for you.

Steven



From bmarsh at bmarsh.com  Sun Nov 30 21:43:32 2008
From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:43:32 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <49330367.1040708@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<200811301535.15699.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
	<49330367.1040708@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200811301643.32711.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>

On Sunday 30 November 2008, Steven Vollom wrote:
> > So you need:    sudo <editor of choice>   /etc/sudoers
> >
> > and then enter the line in the editor and file the file.

Use kdesudo  kate  /etc/sudoers



From godshatter at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 22:13:35 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:13:35 -0800
Subject: Compiz Fusion help needed.
In-Reply-To: <4932FC0E.3020205@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net> <4932F346.8020305@yahoo.com>
	<4932FC0E.3020205@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4933100F.1070402@yahoo.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> You got me laughing, I am so happy.  I have eight now.  Are you actually 
> seeing an octagon?  I just seem to be rotating the desktop as a whole.  
> This isn't just fun, it is totally useful.  I am always working with 
> several pages on the desktop.  Now I can separate projects.  What a 
> wonderful tool.  This is just great.
>
> I have never played with Compiz yet.  I have been too busy learning 
> things that are a priority.  It will be fun when I can take the time.  
> Do you use any other features of Compiz that are so useful?
>
> Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,
>
> Steven
>   
Steven,

I have it set so that I can press both the left and right mouse buttons 
when my cursor is over the desktop, and it shows me an eight-sided 
"cube" with one desktop on each side.  Technically, I guess it's 
ten-sided because you have the two end caps.  I think you can also press 
Ctrl and Alt and the left mouse button to do this.  I remember I had to 
set the zoom value to get the desktop "cube" to fall back from the 
screen so I could see it better.  Under Advanced Desktop Effects 
Settings > Rotate Cube > General I have my zoom set at 0.5068.  I 
remember playing with the values until everything spun at the speed I 
wanted it to.   I also have Cube Reflection on (in the Effects area), 
which shows the cube over a reflective floor.  I think it's a 
great-looking effect.

I also have it setup so that if I hold down the Alt key and use the 
wheel on the mouse, it will make the window the mouse is over more 
transparent.  That way, if my window is blocking another window and I 
need to see what's on it, I can make the window slightly transparent so 
I can continue to work in it but also see what's behind it.  I don't 
remember if I had to change it to do that or if it's default behavior.

I also recommend using the Window Previews (in Advanced Desktop Effects 
Settings in the Extras area).  If this is enabled you should see a small 
preview window whenever you mouse over a window icon in the start bar.  
This is useful when I have a few of the same window types open, and I'm 
not sure which one is the one I want.  Mousing over them will show me a 
snapshot of what they actually look like at that second.  If you have a 
video open, it will actually show the video as it's progressing in the 
preview window.

I've also played around with animations, which are nice but don't 
actually help me be more productive.  I also like having Wobbly Windows 
enabled, although it does nothing to really help me either.  It just 
looks nice.

Paul




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 22:29:01 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:29:01 -0500
Subject: Why use a virtual machine? **RESOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
References: <4931D340.5030703@sbcglobal.net>
	<49326C9C.3060201@yahoo.it>	<200811300931.15835.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
	<200811301019.13512.bmarsh@bmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <493313AD.6070902@sbcglobal.net>

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Sunday 30 November 2008, Gene Heskett wrote:
>   
>> Screw 'em and the camel that rode in on them, I tried Ubuntu-8.04 LTS, got
>> tired of fighting with sudo every 30 seconds to get the stuff I wanted (KDE
>> & friends) installed and put an F9 respin on it, much friendlier.  Whatever
>> became of the sudo that was good for 10 minutes anyway?
>>     
>
> You can make it good forever by adding the line:
>
> Defaults        timestamp_timeout=-1
>
> to  /etc/sudoers
>
> (That's a   -1)
>
>   
Dear Bruce,

I cut and pasted your Defaults        timestamp_timeout=-1 at the end of 
the  comments.  I did not type in a #; was that a mistake?



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 23:08:12 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:08:12 -0500
Subject: Compiz Fusion help needed.
In-Reply-To: <4933100F.1070402@yahoo.com>
References: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net>
	<4932F346.8020305@yahoo.com>	<4932FC0E.3020205@sbcglobal.net>
	<4933100F.1070402@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49331CDC.3060303@sbcglobal.net>

Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Dear Paul,
>>
>> You got me laughing, I am so happy.  I have eight now.  Are you actually 
>> seeing an octagon?  I just seem to be rotating the desktop as a whole.  
>> This isn't just fun, it is totally useful.  I am always working with 
>> several pages on the desktop.  Now I can separate projects.  What a 
>> wonderful tool.  This is just great.
>>
>> I have never played with Compiz yet.  I have been too busy learning 
>> things that are a priority.  It will be fun when I can take the time.  
>> Do you use any other features of Compiz that are so useful?
>>
>> Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,
>>
>> Steven
>>   
>>     
> Steven,
>
> I have it set so that I can press both the left and right mouse buttons 
> when my cursor is over the desktop, and it shows me an eight-sided 
> "cube" with one desktop on each side.  Technically, I guess it's 
> ten-sided because you have the two end caps.  I think you can also press 
> Ctrl and Alt and the left mouse button to do this.  I remember I had to 
> set the zoom value to get the desktop "cube" to fall back from the 
> screen so I could see it better.  Under Advanced Desktop Effects 
> Settings > Rotate Cube > General I have my zoom set at 0.5068.
The only place I found reference to zoom was under the Uncateforized 
category at the bottom of the General Options page.  It did not provide 
a zoom value.  Under Advanced Search, I found a Window Depth option; it 
is currently at 0.3000.  Under settings>Plugin>Enhanced Zoom Desktop, I 
tried to change it from 1.0100 to 0.5068, however when I tried the box, 
it returned to the 1.0100 setting.  I think I clicked on every option 
looking for a zoom value.  I must be on a wrong page.
>   I 
> remember playing with the values until everything spun at the speed I 
> wanted it to.   I also have Cube Reflection on (in the Effects area), 
> which shows the cube over a reflective floor.  I think it's a 
> great-looking effect.
>   
Can't seem to find this option.
> I also have it setup so that if I hold down the Alt key and use the 
> wheel on the mouse, it will make the window the mouse is over more 
> transparent.
This works.  Looks great.  I hope my memory can retain this soon.
>   That way, if my window is blocking another window and I 
> need to see what's on it, I can make the window slightly transparent so 
> I can continue to work in it but also see what's behind it.  I don't 
> remember if I had to change it to do that or if it's default behavior.
>   
Apparently it is default.
> I also recommend using the Window Previews (in Advanced Desktop Effects 
> Settings in the Extras area).  If this is enabled you should see a small 
> preview window whenever you mouse over a window icon in the start bar.
I chose 'Window Previows' however don't see a change with mouse over.  
Perhaps it will engage on boot up.  Maybe there is something else I have 
to do too, to get this affect.  This is just great.
>   
> This is useful when I have a few of the same window types open, and I'm 
> not sure which one is the one I want.  Mousing over them will show me a 
> snapshot of what they actually look like at that second.  If you have a 
> video open, it will actually show the video as it's progressing in the 
> preview window.
>
> I've also played around with animations, which are nice but don't 
> actually help me be more productive.  I also like having Wobbly Windows 
> enabled, although it does nothing to really help me either.  It just 
> looks nice.
>   
I like wobbly windows too.  I also thing aesthetics are as good a reason 
as anything for using features.  It is healthy for the right brain.  I 
am what is called a fine-artist by trade, retired now, but aesthetics 
are my life.

If it isn't too much trouble to help me get the features to work that 
didn't seem to work for me, I would appreciate it.  Having help while 
learning features is very instructional for me.  I am 100% right brain 
still. Logical thinking is still laborous.  That is where my computer 
life is.  And thanks again so much, for your time and consideration.

By the way, if I screw up settings somehow and want to return to some 
type of default, is that possible without reinstalling.  There are so 
many technical choices, I can see myself getting confused and not being 
able to backtrack to correct the problems I may create?

Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,

Steven
> Paul
>
>
>   




From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 23:14:21 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:14:21 -0500
Subject: Compiz Fusion help needed.
In-Reply-To: <4933100F.1070402@yahoo.com>
References: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net>
	<4932F346.8020305@yahoo.com>	<4932FC0E.3020205@sbcglobal.net>
	<4933100F.1070402@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49331E4D.6000706@sbcglobal.net>

Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Dear Paul,
>>
>> You got me laughing, I am so happy.  I have eight now.  Are you actually 
>> seeing an octagon?  I just seem to be rotating the desktop as a whole.  
>> This isn't just fun, it is totally useful.  I am always working with 
>> several pages on the desktop.  Now I can separate projects.  What a 
>> wonderful tool.  This is just great.
>>
>> I have never played with Compiz yet.  I have been too busy learning 
>> things that are a priority.  It will be fun when I can take the time.  
>> Do you use any other features of Compiz that are so useful?
>>
>> Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,
>>
>> Steven
>>   
>>     
> Steven,
>
> I have it set so that I can press both the left and right mouse buttons 
> when my cursor is over the desktop, and it shows me an eight-sided 
> "cube" with one desktop on each side.  Technically, I guess it's 
> ten-sided because you have the two end caps.  I think you can also press 
> Ctrl and Alt and the left mouse button to do this.  I remember I had to 
> set the zoom value to get the desktop "cube" to fall back from the 
> screen so I could see it better.  Under Advanced Desktop Effects 
> Settings > Rotate Cube > General I have my zoom set at 0.5068.  I 
> remember playing with the values until everything spun at the speed I 
> wanted it to.   I also have Cube Reflection on (in the Effects area), 
> which shows the cube over a reflective floor.  I think it's a 
> great-looking effect.
>
> I also have it setup so that if I hold down the Alt key and use the 
> wheel on the mouse, it will make the window the mouse is over more 
> transparent.  That way, if my window is blocking another window and I 
> need to see what's on it, I can make the window slightly transparent so 
> I can continue to work in it but also see what's behind it.  I don't 
> remember if I had to change it to do that or if it's default behavior.
>
> I also recommend using the Window Previews (in Advanced Desktop Effects 
> Settings in the Extras area).  If this is enabled you should see a small 
> preview window whenever you mouse over a window icon in the start bar.  
> This is useful when I have a few of the same window types open, and I'm 
> not sure which one is the one I want.  Mousing over them will show me a 
> snapshot of what they actually look like at that second.  If you have a 
> video open, it will actually show the video as it's progressing in the 
> preview window.
>
> I've also played around with animations, which are nice but don't 
> actually help me be more productive.  I also like having Wobbly Windows 
> enabled, although it does nothing to really help me either.  It just 
> looks nice.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   
Dear Paul,

Something I have done has made it so that I can not drag a window to a 
new position.  The menu bar at the top of each window has changed.  When 
I click on the open space to drag the window to a new position, nothing 
happens.  Has this happened to you before.  It eliminates wobbly windows 
and doesn't let me move pages anymore.  Thanks for as prompt a response 
as possible.  That is an uncomfortable situation.  Additionally, I still 
haven't found the option to create a cube, the whole desktop moves, 
which is nice, I just would like to see the cube application.  Thanks 
friend.

Steven



From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 30 23:17:44 2008
From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:17:44 -0500
Subject: Compiz Fusion help needed.
In-Reply-To: <4933100F.1070402@yahoo.com>
References: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net>
	<4932F346.8020305@yahoo.com>	<4932FC0E.3020205@sbcglobal.net>
	<4933100F.1070402@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49331F18.7080007@sbcglobal.net>

Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> Steven Vollom wrote:
>   
>> Dear Paul,
>>
>> You got me laughing, I am so happy.  I have eight now.  Are you actually 
>> seeing an octagon?  I just seem to be rotating the desktop as a whole.  
>> This isn't just fun, it is totally useful.  I am always working with 
>> several pages on the desktop.  Now I can separate projects.  What a 
>> wonderful tool.  This is just great.
>>
>> I have never played with Compiz yet.  I have been too busy learning 
>> things that are a priority.  It will be fun when I can take the time.  
>> Do you use any other features of Compiz that are so useful?
>>
>> Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,
>>
>> Steven
>>   
>>     
> Steven,
>
> I have it set so that I can press both the left and right mouse buttons 
> when my cursor is over the desktop, and it shows me an eight-sided 
> "cube" with one desktop on each side.  Technically, I guess it's 
> ten-sided because you have the two end caps.  I think you can also press 
> Ctrl and Alt and the left mouse button to do this.  I remember I had to 
> set the zoom value to get the desktop "cube" to fall back from the 
> screen so I could see it better.  Under Advanced Desktop Effects 
> Settings > Rotate Cube > General I have my zoom set at 0.5068.  I 
> remember playing with the values until everything spun at the speed I 
> wanted it to.   I also have Cube Reflection on (in the Effects area), 
> which shows the cube over a reflective floor.  I think it's a 
> great-looking effect.
>
> I also have it setup so that if I hold down the Alt key and use the 
> wheel on the mouse, it will make the window the mouse is over more 
> transparent.  That way, if my window is blocking another window and I 
> need to see what's on it, I can make the window slightly transparent so 
> I can continue to work in it but also see what's behind it.  I don't 
> remember if I had to change it to do that or if it's default behavior.
>
> I also recommend using the Window Previews (in Advanced Desktop Effects 
> Settings in the Extras area).  If this is enabled you should see a small 
> preview window whenever you mouse over a window icon in the start bar.  
> This is useful when I have a few of the same window types open, and I'm 
> not sure which one is the one I want.  Mousing over them will show me a 
> snapshot of what they actually look like at that second.  If you have a 
> video open, it will actually show the video as it's progressing in the 
> preview window.
>
> I've also played around with animations, which are nice but don't 
> actually help me be more productive.  I also like having Wobbly Windows 
> enabled, although it does nothing to really help me either.  It just 
> looks nice.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   
I found it Paul; it was the Expo effect.  I unchecked it and the ability 
to drag and drop returned.  I can't remember why I checked that option.  
Did you suggest it?  What is supposed to happen?  Thanks again.  This is 
sure interesting.

Steven



From godshatter at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 23:21:44 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:21:44 -0800
Subject: Compiz Fusion help needed.
In-Reply-To: <49331E4D.6000706@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net>	<4932F346.8020305@yahoo.com>	<4932FC0E.3020205@sbcglobal.net>	<4933100F.1070402@yahoo.com>
	<49331E4D.6000706@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49332008.5030503@yahoo.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Paul Rumelhart wrote:
>   
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Dear Paul,
>>>
>>> You got me laughing, I am so happy.  I have eight now.  Are you actually 
>>> seeing an octagon?  I just seem to be rotating the desktop as a whole.  
>>> This isn't just fun, it is totally useful.  I am always working with 
>>> several pages on the desktop.  Now I can separate projects.  What a 
>>> wonderful tool.  This is just great.
>>>
>>> I have never played with Compiz yet.  I have been too busy learning 
>>> things that are a priority.  It will be fun when I can take the time.  
>>> Do you use any other features of Compiz that are so useful?
>>>
>>> Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> Steven,
>>
>> I have it set so that I can press both the left and right mouse buttons 
>> when my cursor is over the desktop, and it shows me an eight-sided 
>> "cube" with one desktop on each side.  Technically, I guess it's 
>> ten-sided because you have the two end caps.  I think you can also press 
>> Ctrl and Alt and the left mouse button to do this.  I remember I had to 
>> set the zoom value to get the desktop "cube" to fall back from the 
>> screen so I could see it better.  Under Advanced Desktop Effects 
>> Settings > Rotate Cube > General I have my zoom set at 0.5068.  I 
>> remember playing with the values until everything spun at the speed I 
>> wanted it to.   I also have Cube Reflection on (in the Effects area), 
>> which shows the cube over a reflective floor.  I think it's a 
>> great-looking effect.
>>
>> I also have it setup so that if I hold down the Alt key and use the 
>> wheel on the mouse, it will make the window the mouse is over more 
>> transparent.  That way, if my window is blocking another window and I 
>> need to see what's on it, I can make the window slightly transparent so 
>> I can continue to work in it but also see what's behind it.  I don't 
>> remember if I had to change it to do that or if it's default behavior.
>>
>> I also recommend using the Window Previews (in Advanced Desktop Effects 
>> Settings in the Extras area).  If this is enabled you should see a small 
>> preview window whenever you mouse over a window icon in the start bar.  
>> This is useful when I have a few of the same window types open, and I'm 
>> not sure which one is the one I want.  Mousing over them will show me a 
>> snapshot of what they actually look like at that second.  If you have a 
>> video open, it will actually show the video as it's progressing in the 
>> preview window.
>>
>> I've also played around with animations, which are nice but don't 
>> actually help me be more productive.  I also like having Wobbly Windows 
>> enabled, although it does nothing to really help me either.  It just 
>> looks nice.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
> Dear Paul,
>
> Something I have done has made it so that I can not drag a window to a 
> new position.  The menu bar at the top of each window has changed.  When 
> I click on the open space to drag the window to a new position, nothing 
> happens.  Has this happened to you before.  It eliminates wobbly windows 
> and doesn't let me move pages anymore.  Thanks for as prompt a response 
> as possible.  That is an uncomfortable situation.  Additionally, I still 
> haven't found the option to create a cube, the whole desktop moves, 
> which is nice, I just would like to see the cube application.  Thanks 
> friend.
>
> Steven
>
>   
It sounds like your window manager died.  I've had this happen before. 
Try  typing "emerald" on the command-line, and see if it comes back.  If 
not look under system for Compiz Fusion Icon.  If it's there, run it.  
It puts an icon on your task bar.  Right click it and select "Reload 
Windows Manager".

Paul




From godshatter at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 23:34:46 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:34:46 -0800
Subject: Compiz Fusion help needed.
In-Reply-To: <49331CDC.3060303@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net>	<4932F346.8020305@yahoo.com>	<4932FC0E.3020205@sbcglobal.net>	<4933100F.1070402@yahoo.com>
	<49331CDC.3060303@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49332316.3040409@yahoo.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> The only place I found reference to zoom was under the Uncateforized 
> category at the bottom of the General Options page.  It did not provide 
> a zoom value.  Under Advanced Search, I found a Window Depth option; it 
> is currently at 0.3000.  Under settings>Plugin>Enhanced Zoom Desktop, I 
> tried to change it from 1.0100 to 0.5068, however when I tried the box, 
> it returned to the 1.0100 setting.  I think I clicked on every option 
> looking for a zoom value.  I must be on a wrong page.
>   

I should have been more clear.  Sorry about that.  To see the cube 
itself, make sure "Desktop Cube" is checked.  It's under the heading 
"Desktop" on the right side of the window.  This may bring up a dialog 
box letting you know that the default desktop effect is incompatible 
with it.  This is OK, you can always go back to the defaults.

Then make sure the "Rotate Cube" effect is checked.  This also in the 
"Desktop" section.  This will allow you to turn the  cube faces.  The 
Zoom parameter I was talking about is in the Rotate Cube settings, so 
click on the "Rotate Cube" words.  This should bring up a page with two 
tabs ("General" and "Bindings").  Under "General" should be a slider 
called "Zoom".  Set this to around 0.5 to get an idea what I'm talking 
about.  You may want a different value, depending.

>>   I 
>> remember playing with the values until everything spun at the speed I 
>> wanted it to.   I also have Cube Reflection on (in the Effects area), 
>> which shows the cube over a reflective floor.  I think it's a 
>> great-looking effect.
>>   
>>     
> Can't seem to find this option.
>   

In my system, it's under Advanced Desktop Effects Settings, on the right 
hand side under "Effects" in the right-hand column.  I may have 
installed extra compiz effects, though.  I'm not sure.

>> I also have it setup so that if I hold down the Alt key and use the 
>> wheel on the mouse, it will make the window the mouse is over more 
>> transparent.
>>     
> This works.  Looks great.  I hope my memory can retain this soon.
>   
>>   That way, if my window is blocking another window and I 
>> need to see what's on it, I can make the window slightly transparent so 
>> I can continue to work in it but also see what's behind it.  I don't 
>> remember if I had to change it to do that or if it's default behavior.
>>   
>>     
> Apparently it is default.
>   
>> I also recommend using the Window Previews (in Advanced Desktop Effects 
>> Settings in the Extras area).  If this is enabled you should see a small 
>> preview window whenever you mouse over a window icon in the start bar.
>>     
> I chose 'Window Previows' however don't see a change with mouse over.  
> Perhaps it will engage on boot up.  Maybe there is something else I have 
> to do too, to get this affect.  This is just great.
>   

I'm probably not describing this well.  I wasn't sure how to put it into 
words.  I think you mentioned in one of your posts that your K-menu is 
at the top of your screen.  When you open a window (such as by launching 
a browser or some other application) an icon probably appears at the top 
of your screen in that gray bar with the application icon and the name 
of the application.  It may be at the bottom of your screen, it depends 
on how you've set things up.  When you put your mouse over the top of 
one of these little areas, you should see a picture of the application 
pop up above or below it.

>>   
>> This is useful when I have a few of the same window types open, and I'm 
>> not sure which one is the one I want.  Mousing over them will show me a 
>> snapshot of what they actually look like at that second.  If you have a 
>> video open, it will actually show the video as it's progressing in the 
>> preview window.
>>
>> I've also played around with animations, which are nice but don't 
>> actually help me be more productive.  I also like having Wobbly Windows 
>> enabled, although it does nothing to really help me either.  It just 
>> looks nice.
>>   
>>     
> I like wobbly windows too.  I also thing aesthetics are as good a reason 
> as anything for using features.  It is healthy for the right brain.  I 
> am what is called a fine-artist by trade, retired now, but aesthetics 
> are my life.
>
> If it isn't too much trouble to help me get the features to work that 
> didn't seem to work for me, I would appreciate it.  Having help while 
> learning features is very instructional for me.  I am 100% right brain 
> still. Logical thinking is still laborous.  That is where my computer 
> life is.  And thanks again so much, for your time and consideration.
>
> By the way, if I screw up settings somehow and want to return to some 
> type of default, is that possible without reinstalling.  There are so 
> many technical choices, I can see myself getting confused and not being 
> able to backtrack to correct the problems I may create?
>   

Most of the individual settings have a button that will let you go back 
to defaults.  If you want to go clear back, you can just kill compiz by 
running "killall compiz.real" at the command-line.

Paul




From godshatter at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 23:42:01 2008
From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:42:01 -0800
Subject: Compiz Fusion help needed.
In-Reply-To: <49331F18.7080007@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4932EA33.4040708@sbcglobal.net>	<4932F346.8020305@yahoo.com>	<4932FC0E.3020205@sbcglobal.net>	<4933100F.1070402@yahoo.com>
	<49331F18.7080007@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <493324C9.7040902@yahoo.com>

Steven Vollom wrote:
> Paul Rumelhart wrote:
>   
>> Steven Vollom wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Dear Paul,
>>>
>>> You got me laughing, I am so happy.  I have eight now.  Are you actually 
>>> seeing an octagon?  I just seem to be rotating the desktop as a whole.  
>>> This isn't just fun, it is totally useful.  I am always working with 
>>> several pages on the desktop.  Now I can separate projects.  What a 
>>> wonderful tool.  This is just great.
>>>
>>> I have never played with Compiz yet.  I have been too busy learning 
>>> things that are a priority.  It will be fun when I can take the time.  
>>> Do you use any other features of Compiz that are so useful?
>>>
>>> Cudos, Cheers!, Ciao Bello, and Cordially,
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> Steven,
>>
>> I have it set so that I can press both the left and right mouse buttons 
>> when my cursor is over the desktop, and it shows me an eight-sided 
>> "cube" with one desktop on each side.  Technically, I guess it's 
>> ten-sided because you have the two end caps.  I think you can also press 
>> Ctrl and Alt and the left mouse button to do this.  I remember I had to 
>> set the zoom value to get the desktop "cube" to fall back from the 
>> screen so I could see it better.  Under Advanced Desktop Effects 
>> Settings > Rotate Cube > General I have my zoom set at 0.5068.  I 
>> remember playing with the values until everything spun at the speed I 
>> wanted it to.   I also have Cube Reflection on (in the Effects area), 
>> which shows the cube over a reflective floor.  I think it's a 
>> great-looking effect.
>>
>> I also have it setup so that if I hold down the Alt key and use the 
>> wheel on the mouse, it will make the window the mouse is over more 
>> transparent.  That way, if my window is blocking another window and I 
>> need to see what's on it, I can make the window slightly transparent so 
>> I can continue to work in it but also see what's behind it.  I don't 
>> remember if I had to change it to do that or if it's default behavior.
>>
>> I also recommend using the Window Previews (in Advanced Desktop Effects 
>> Settings in the Extras area).  If this is enabled you should see a small 
>> preview window whenever you mouse over a window icon in the start bar.  
>> This is useful when I have a few of the same window types open, and I'm 
>> not sure which one is the one I want.  Mousing over them will show me a 
>> snapshot of what they actually look like at that second.  If you have a 
>> video open, it will actually show the video as it's progressing in the 
>> preview window.
>>
>> I've also played around with animations, which are nice but don't 
>> actually help me be more productive.  I also like having Wobbly Windows 
>> enabled, although it does nothing to really help me either.  It just 
>> looks nice.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
> I found it Paul; it was the Expo effect.  I unchecked it and the ability 
> to drag and drop returned.  I can't remember why I checked that option.  
> Did you suggest it?  What is supposed to happen?  Thanks again.  This is 
> sure interesting.
>
> Steven
>
>   
Steven,

If that's the case, then you can probably ignore my email telling you to 
run "emerald" at the command line.  When you run compiz, do you have red 
borders on your windows that are slightly transparent?  If so, then you 
are running the emerald window manager.  The default is probably KWin or 
Metacity if not.  A window manager is the application responsible for 
putting the title bar on windows, showing the maximize and minimize 
buttons, and allowing you to resize the window.  Linux is all about 
choice, so of course there are multiple applications you can run to do 
this.  Compiz usually runs the emerald window manager, which has been 
designed to run with compiz because compiz allows it to do the tricks 
with transparency and whatnot.  So when you said you had no border 
around your windows, I assumed that emerald had died, leaving you with 
no active window manager.

Paul