thunderbird is haunted ?

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 22 May 2008 17:24, Pastor JW wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 May 2008 11:59:17 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/5/22 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>:
> > > Kmail, which is also part of kontact, is the default mail client in
> > > kubuntu, but i think thunderbird is much better, IMHO
> >
> > Kmail is quite a bit easier to use than Thunderbird in both
> > application's default configurations. Kmail especially has better
> > keyboard shortcuts. However, Thunderbird's extensions and super-quick
> > spam filtering are what makes me use Tbird.
>
> I use Kmail but not Kontact, Kontact is just too much overhead which is
> also why T-Bird though tried out is not used here.  I did find out however,
> spam assassin is quite slow for spam handling.  Bogofilter is MUCH faster,
> easier to train, and I think even more accurate.  The only difference
> between Kmail downloading with no filter and with bogo is that with bogo I
> have no spam or html mails to wade through; ...they have all been sent
> where they belong, directly to trash!  Time difference if any, is not even
> noticeable.  We even use Kmail on our two Gnome machines!
>
> --
> 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n><   PDGA# 35276

I know this is going a bit OT, as this is a thread about Tbird, but I too have 
always used Kmail, and with Bogofilter.

When I first installed Bogofilter on my FC2 machine, there had also been 
suggestions to try SA, so on my other machine, and on the FC2 distro there, I 
installed SA. SA compared to Bogofilter was very slow, so I've stayed with 
Bogofilter. I don't send the spam directly to the trash, but have created a 
spamcheck folder, where I can quickly flick through the spam, and make sure 
no ham has been misidentified. I don't think I've ever had a ham 
misidentified as spam, so may soon change the filter so that it sends all 
this sick stuff directly to the trash, where it belongs.

I run Bogofilter in tri-state mode, so also have an unsure box. I do get the 
odd spam turning up here, as the spammers try different ways of getting past 
the filters. I also get the odd ham in the unsure box, but reading the ham 
mail, you can usually see why it's ended up in the unsure box.

The only problem I've really had is with filtering spam from mailing lists. 
The Guarddog mailing list, which is hosted at sourceforge, and uses mailman, 
is being handled by Bogofilter ok. Some ends up in the unsure box, and other 
spam goes straight to my spamcheck box. The only mailing list I've never got 
to grips with are the Debian lists that use Smart. Usually very little spam 
turns up on these high volume lists, so I'm willing to manually deal with it, 
but a while back something was accidentaly disabled in their spamfilters, and 
we got a whole tidal wave of spam turning up on the list, a problem that was 
soon resolved, not without a few complaints from those on the list though.

Regarding the odd bit of spam that turns up on mailing lists, I don't think we 
need to complain, and thats based on the ammount of spam that turned up on 
the list when the Debian lists spamfilter was accidentally disabled, as I 
mention above. I think it's fair to say, if these high volume lists had no 
spam filtering, that hardly any of us would stay subscribed, as dealing with 
the spam would be too much of a problem.

Enough said, I suppose, as I've taken this thread a bit OT.

Nigel.