From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 06:04:46 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:04:46 -0500 Subject: Inspiron 1525 - no ethernet connection In-Reply-To: <47C8567B.7050203@rmk.co.il> References: <697229.52832.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47C8567B.7050203@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <9bed467e0802292204t74e247dcx74971b10af662305@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Is the alpha release usable? With the alpha there is a good chance that screwy things may happen. Usable? Depends if you consider stability a part of usability. You might want to wait for the betas (shouldn't they be out? It's March!). Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Sat Mar 1 08:57:52 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:57:52 +0000 Subject: Mint distro Message-ID: <20080301085752.b8ef016c.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Recently I came across a distro named mint http://www.linuxmint.com According to some of the reviews that I have read it is what ubuntu and kubuntu should be. Certainly the reviewers all said this distro, based on Gutsy, is an improvement on it. Has anyone else come across it? Neil Winchurst From jussi01 at ubuntu.com Sat Mar 1 09:14:48 2008 From: jussi01 at ubuntu.com (Jussi Schultink) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:14:48 +0200 Subject: Mint distro In-Reply-To: <20080301085752.b8ef016c.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20080301085752.b8ef016c.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: Hi, Yes I have come across it and wouldn't recomend it. To the users eye it looks very good, and seems to work ok. However, as I understand it, it uses some very hackish scripts and different repositories than ubuntu. The k/ubuntu irc channels do not support it so you dont get the benefit of the greater ubuntu community. Hope this helps. Jussi On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > Recently I came across a distro named mint > http://www.linuxmint.com > > According to some of the reviews that I have read it is what ubuntu and > kubuntu should be. Certainly the reviewers all said this distro, based > on Gutsy, is an improvement on it. > > Has anyone else come across it? > > Neil Winchurst > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From basroufs at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 09:27:27 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:27:27 +0100 Subject: How to 'root-access' and delete a 'locked folder' at the desktop? Message-ID: <47C9217F.7040901@gmail.com> Dear everybody About one month ago, I downloaded 'hplip-2.7.12': a Linux driver for my HP 930C printer. I managed to install and to properly start using it. My printer works quite smoothly ever since that moment. However, one little but nasty problem still remains: I simply do not manage to remove the original download folder ''hplip-2.7.12' from my desktop. Whenever and however trying to remove that folder, I get the message that I do not have 'access rights to this location'. Attempts to simply MOVE away that folder from the desktop to any other part of the hard disk always end up in the same non-result :-) When looking at the folder properties via Konqueror or Dolphin, it becomes clear that it is a 'locked folder': the user is 'root' and the group is also 'root'. Under the heading 'access permissions' I see that only the owner can 'change permissions'. So, I tried a few logical steps to fix the problem. I switched to root status in four ways in order to clarify my owner status: * ALT F2 > kdesu konqueror * ALT F2 > kdesu dolphin * Terminal session > root shell. * Terminal session > root shell midnight commander. However, none of these four ways delivered me a possibility to 'root-access' desktop in order to remove or at least move to elsewhere the hplip download folder, away from the desktop. Is anybody able to deliver any clue to fix this little nasty problem :-)? Thanks for any reply. Respectfully Yours, Bas. From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Mar 1 09:55:31 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:55:31 +0000 Subject: How to 'root-access' and delete a 'locked folder' at the desktop? In-Reply-To: <47C9217F.7040901@gmail.com> References: <47C9217F.7040901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C92813.5070108@tiscali.co.uk> Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear everybody > > About one month ago, I downloaded 'hplip-2.7.12': a Linux driver for my > HP 930C printer. I managed to install and to properly start using it. My > printer works quite smoothly ever since that moment. However, one little > but nasty problem still remains: I simply do not manage to remove the > original download folder ''hplip-2.7.12' from my desktop. Whenever and > however trying to remove that folder, I get the message that I do not > have 'access rights to this location'. Attempts to simply MOVE away > that folder from the desktop to any other part of the hard disk always > end up in the same non-result :-) When looking at the folder properties > via Konqueror or Dolphin, it becomes clear that it is a 'locked folder': > the user is 'root' and the group is also 'root'. Under the heading > 'access permissions' I see that only the owner can 'change permissions'. > So, I tried a few logical steps to fix the problem. I switched to root > status in four ways in order to clarify my owner status: > * ALT F2 > kdesu konqueror > * ALT F2 > kdesu dolphin > * Terminal session > root shell. > * Terminal session > root shell midnight commander. > However, none of these four ways delivered me a possibility to > 'root-access' desktop in order to remove or at least move to elsewhere > the hplip download folder, away from the desktop. > > Is anybody able to deliver any clue to fix this little nasty problem :-)? > > Thanks for any reply. Respectfully Yours, > > Bas. > > The way that I would do it would be: Open Konqueror at the Desktop folder. Right-click in the folder (not on any icon) and select Actions/open terminal here (I prefer to navigate with a GUI... I know, I'm lazy... :@) ). Then to remove the files (and folder): sudo rm -r hplip-2.7.12 HTH -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 10:01:13 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:01:13 -0500 Subject: How to 'root-access' and delete a 'locked folder' at the desktop? In-Reply-To: <47C9217F.7040901@gmail.com> References: <47C9217F.7040901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860803010201g4a1cb604te393303a7e0ded46@mail.gmail.com> What is the exact error message you get from the command-line? On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear everybody > > About one month ago, I downloaded 'hplip-2.7.12': a Linux driver for my > HP 930C printer. I managed to install and to properly start using it. My > printer works quite smoothly ever since that moment. However, one little > but nasty problem still remains: I simply do not manage to remove the > original download folder ''hplip-2.7.12' from my desktop. Whenever and > however trying to remove that folder, I get the message that I do not > have 'access rights to this location'. Attempts to simply MOVE away > that folder from the desktop to any other part of the hard disk always > end up in the same non-result :-) When looking at the folder properties > via Konqueror or Dolphin, it becomes clear that it is a 'locked folder': > the user is 'root' and the group is also 'root'. Under the heading > 'access permissions' I see that only the owner can 'change permissions'. > So, I tried a few logical steps to fix the problem. I switched to root > status in four ways in order to clarify my owner status: > * ALT F2 > kdesu konqueror > * ALT F2 > kdesu dolphin > * Terminal session > root shell. > * Terminal session > root shell midnight commander. > However, none of these four ways delivered me a possibility to > 'root-access' desktop in order to remove or at least move to elsewhere > the hplip download folder, away from the desktop. > > Is anybody able to deliver any clue to fix this little nasty problem :-)? > > Thanks for any reply. Respectfully Yours, > > Bas. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From pandarsson at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 10:09:39 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 04:09:39 -0600 Subject: movie dvds not being recognized Message-ID: <200803010409.40141.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Hi again. I actually have little hope of getting an answer about this, as my searches for clues on the internet seems to make an implication that nobody knows much about the subject. Where people have posted similar problems, there are generally no answers offered. In any case, the problem is that usually when I put in a video dvd, Kubuntu seems to think it's a cd-r. Some dvds will eventually be recognized correctly if I eject and insert it a few times, but most never are. Does anyone have any clue? Also, where do I find the configuration file(s) for automount? When I insert a CD or plug in my Rio Karma, I have to manually mount them. In fact, with my Rio Karma, I have to mount it with sudo and would like to do so without it, aside from wanting it to automount. Of course, that last should be workable by adding the "owner" option in fstab, right? Anyway, I'd like to say I've appreciated the help I've previously received on this list. It's a pretty cool list. From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 10:21:07 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:21:07 -0500 Subject: movie dvds not being recognized In-Reply-To: <200803010409.40141.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200803010409.40141.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860803010221l3e1faf2dr6d5435a0ad4a8438@mail.gmail.com> Do you have libdvdcss2 installed? On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > Hi again. > > I actually have little hope of getting an answer about this, as my searches > for clues on the internet seems to make an implication that nobody knows much > about the subject. Where people have posted similar problems, there are > generally no answers offered. > > In any case, the problem is that usually when I put in a video dvd, Kubuntu > seems to think it's a cd-r. Some dvds will eventually be recognized > correctly if I eject and insert it a few times, but most never are. > > Does anyone have any clue? > > Also, where do I find the configuration file(s) for automount? When I insert > a CD or plug in my Rio Karma, I have to manually mount them. In fact, with > my Rio Karma, I have to mount it with sudo and would like to do so without > it, aside from wanting it to automount. Of course, that last should be > workable by adding the "owner" option in fstab, right? > > Anyway, I'd like to say I've appreciated the help I've previously received on > this list. It's a pretty cool list. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From francisco.borges at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 11:40:39 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:40:39 +0100 Subject: hardy: kde "desktop directory view" Message-ID: Hello eveyone! I updated to Hardy some days ago. I normally have: 1. icons on the desktop (in order to view newly discovered hardware, like extern HD through USB) 2. and the contents of the ~/Desktop directory showing as icons at the background of my desktop. Since the upgrade, the background of my desktop is showing icons for the entire content of my $HOME directory (instead of $HOME/Desktop). Does anyone knows how to change it so that I get only icons for ~/Desktop ? Cheers, -- Francisco From pandarsson at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 11:29:14 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:29:14 -0600 Subject: movie dvds not being recognized In-Reply-To: <2759cf860803010221l3e1faf2dr6d5435a0ad4a8438@mail.gmail.com> References: <200803010409.40141.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <2759cf860803010221l3e1faf2dr6d5435a0ad4a8438@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803010529.14475.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Saturday 01 March 2008 4:21:07 Jared Greenwald wrote: > Do you have libdvdcss2 installed? Yeah. I should mention that one of the dvds I can get to work some of the time is Conan the Barbarian (no, I have very good taste, thank you very much), which I'm sure is copy protected. From guido.dom at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 11:53:55 2008 From: guido.dom at gmail.com (guido dom) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:53:55 +0100 Subject: Mint distro In-Reply-To: References: <20080301085752.b8ef016c.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: I did not succeed in installing it on my desktop and not in virtual box on the desktop. Maybe because of the sata hd. It installed ok on my laptop with IDE hd. 2008/3/1, Jussi Schultink : > > Hi, > > Yes I have come across it and wouldn't recomend it. To the users eye > it looks very good, and seems to work ok. However, as I understand it, > it uses some very hackish scripts and different repositories than > ubuntu. The k/ubuntu irc channels do not support it so you dont get > the benefit of the greater ubuntu community. > > Hope this helps. > > > Jussi > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Neil Winchurst > wrote: > > Recently I came across a distro named mint > > http://www.linuxmint.com > > > > According to some of the reviews that I have read it is what ubuntu and > > kubuntu should be. Certainly the reviewers all said this distro, based > > on Gutsy, is an improvement on it. > > > > Has anyone else come across it? > > > > Neil Winchurst > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Tel:+32 (0)58 239804 +32 (0)497 538736 Nog een mooie dag toegewenst. 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Evans) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:23:39 -0700 Subject: kpdf and facing pages In-Reply-To: <47C87D82.1060401@gmail.com> References: <47C6EEE8.4090802@gmail.com> <200802282000.21257.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <47C87D82.1060401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C966EB.80000@gmail.com> To bring closure to this thread: I'm told that this feature (or something very close to it) is already in okular, which is apparently the equivalent of kpdf in kde4. So the wishlist request I placed on launchpad will be deleted. Doc From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 15:01:50 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:01:50 -0600 Subject: kpdf and facing pages In-Reply-To: <47C966EB.80000@gmail.com> References: <47C6EEE8.4090802@gmail.com> <47C87D82.1060401@gmail.com> <47C966EB.80000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803010901.50743.teeahr1@gmail.com> True. Sorry, I wasn't following this thread or I would have dropped that in here earlier. -pd- On Saturday 01 March 2008 08:23:39 D. R. Evans wrote: > To bring closure to this thread: I'm told that this feature (or something > very close to it) is already in okular, which is apparently the equivalent > of kpdf in kde4. > > So the wishlist request I placed on launchpad will be deleted. > > Doc From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 1 15:09:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:09:05 -0400 Subject: movie dvds not being recognized References: <200803010409.40141.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <2759cf860803010221l3e1faf2dr6d5435a0ad4a8438@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1263157.hjlGTZMAij@cedar.serverforest.com> Jared Greenwald wrote: > Do you have libdvdcss2 installed? and regionset - it turns out most DVDs don't have a region set at the factory. -- derek From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 17:09:08 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:09:08 +0100 Subject: Problem with kde 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <200802292251.36837.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200802292251.36837.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803011809.09072.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Friday 29 February 2008 22:51:36 Valter Mura wrote: > have you experienced problems while updating from kde 3.5.8 to 3.5.9? I got > an error in adept manager. Not sure what you mean, but I've just undated my 64 bit kubuntu and it's working fine. I saw an error suggesting the need to create a cache for something-konqueror while in adept, is that what you mean? Anyway kubuntu lives well all the same. I'll update my 32bit later on this evening and I'll tell you if I spot anything unusual. -- lanzen From honorshark at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 17:53:15 2008 From: honorshark at gmail.com (honorshark) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:53:15 +0100 Subject: Problem with kde 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <200803011809.09072.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200802292251.36837.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803011809.09072.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C9980B.3090309@gmail.com> lanzen wrote: > On Friday 29 February 2008 22:51:36 Valter Mura wrote: > > >> have you experienced problems while updating from kde 3.5.8 to 3.5.9? I got >> an error in adept manager. >> > > Not sure what you mean, but I've just undated my 64 bit kubuntu and it's > working fine. I saw an error suggesting the need to create a cache for > something-konqueror while in adept, is that what you mean? > > Anyway kubuntu lives well all the same. > > I'll update my 32bit later on this evening and I'll tell you if I spot > anything unusual. > > You can easily fix this problem. Get a konsole then type: sudo apt-get update (for being sure), then it will tell you to write: sudo dpkg --configure -a (or something like this, you'll see). I experienced THIS on amd64 Kubuntu, with proposed, backports. From pandarsson at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 17:57:26 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:57:26 -0600 Subject: movie dvds not being recognized In-Reply-To: <1263157.hjlGTZMAij@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803010409.40141.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <2759cf860803010221l3e1faf2dr6d5435a0ad4a8438@mail.gmail.com> <1263157.hjlGTZMAij@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803011157.27186.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Saturday 01 March 2008 9:09:05 Derek Broughton wrote: > Jared Greenwald wrote: > > Do you have libdvdcss2 installed? > > and regionset - it turns out most DVDs don't have a region set at the > factory. > -- > derek I did not have that installed. I'm assuming that since I have installed it, I should run it as root, correct? (I got an error when I tried to do it otherwise.) And then I should try every possible region (1-8) until I get it, I suppose. But if my drive's region isn't set, why can I get some dvds to work? And those that I can get to work, why do they usually also get read as black cd-r's? On my other computer, I've never had trouble playing dvds. Even when playing dvds of different regions, there wasn't much problem. Even when I did put in a European format dvd (I'm in America - I know one is PAL and the other is something like NTSC) it at least read it as a dvd before telling me it had the wrong region, after which I could change the region without root. And I'm talking about dvds that Kubuntu on this computer will not recognize as dvds at all. The other computer has another flavor of Linux. Could it be that it doesn't like my drive? The drive is probably pretty standard for a Compaq Presario and this problem isn't *that* common. From valtermura at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 18:08:20 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:08:20 +0100 Subject: Problem with kde 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <47C88E84.6090700@gmail.com> References: <200802292251.36837.valtermura@gmail.com> <47C88E84.6090700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803011908.20581.valtermura@gmail.com> Il sabato 1 marzo 2008 00:00:20 D. R. Evans ha scritto: > > > > have you experienced problems while updating from kde 3.5.8 to 3.5.9? I > > got an error in adept manager. > > Nope. I updated my main 64-bit system yesterday. No problems at all (except > a nasty half hour with amarok before I discovered that I had to re-tell it > where my collection was and have it re-scanned; for a while I thought that > all the ratings, etc. had been permanently lost :-( ). > > Anyway, the actual update couldn't have gone any more smoothly. > > What error message are you seeing? > > Doc This is the message I got with the backtrace of the crash (I have other crashed and this is the last one): ***END*** (no debugging symbols found) Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1". (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread -1235446080 (LWP 6292)] (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) [KCrash handler] #6 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #7 0xb6624875 in raise () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #8 0xb6626201 in abort () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #9 0xb68306e0 in __gnu_cxx::__verbose_terminate_handler () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 #10 0xb682df65 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 #11 0xb682dfa2 in std::terminate () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 #12 0xb682e0ca in __cxa_throw () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 #13 0x0812ac68 in ?? () #14 0x0812b41e in ?? () #15 0x0812b504 in ?? () #16 0x08072cb8 in ?? () #17 0x0807411e in ?? () #18 0xb6e74893 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #19 0xb6e75338 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #20 0xb77c56d9 in KAction::activated () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #21 0xb7807f72 in KAction::slotActivated () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #22 0xb7807f0c in KAction::slotButtonClicked () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #23 0xb7905e26 in KAction::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #24 0xb6e74893 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #25 0xb77fb6c0 in KToolBarButton::buttonClicked () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #26 0xb77fb9c6 in KToolBarButton::mouseReleaseEvent () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #27 0xb6eab681 in QWidget::event () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #28 0xb7876491 in KToolBarButton::event () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #29 0xb6e0baf0 in QApplication::internalNotify () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #30 0xb6e0dcae in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #31 0xb75b7a32 in KApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #32 0xb6d9e27d in QApplication::sendSpontaneousEvent () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #33 0xb6d9cee2 in QETWidget::translateMouseEvent () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #34 0xb6d9afcc in QApplication::x11ProcessEvent () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #35 0xb6db21a4 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #36 0xb6e261ce in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #37 0xb6e25fde in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #38 0xb6e0d699 in QApplication::exec () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #39 0x0806f75e in ?? () #40 0xb6610050 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #41 0x0806f401 in ?? () ***END*** More, if I run Adept (speaking from a graphic point of view, I'm an almost ex-windows user :-) , a window says to me that the program is occupied by another process and if I update something the progress bar is blocked to about half percent. On the other hand, all the system seems to work well, I'm not experiencing problems with the programs. Regards, -- Valter Gnupgp ID: 0xD7274715 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sat Mar 1 19:00:27 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:00:27 +0000 Subject: Which Printer? In-Reply-To: <47C9456D.8020908@btconnect.com> References: <47C9456D.8020908@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <200803011900.28027.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Saturday 01 Mar 2008, John Hansen wrote: > I need to buy a new printer as my present HP 840C is getting rather old. > What is recommended for use with Kubuntu 7.10? I really only need > black/white printing. > > John > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Brother provides Linux support:- http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/developers.html We've got a Brother laser printer at work, already has a network port fitted, works fine with a print server running CUPS. Dave -- FACT - Millions of people worldwide continue to pay money to the richest person in the world to use his products, even though perfectly good software is given away completely free of charge by the open source community! I can't understand it either. Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Mar 1 19:13:58 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:13:58 +0200 Subject: medibuntu for Hardy ? Message-ID: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> I recently installed Hardy Alpha 5 on my new Dell 1525 laptop and can't find anything about Hardy on the medibuntu website. Where does one get stuff like w32codecs etc.? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 19:18:35 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:18:35 +0100 Subject: Problem with kde 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <47C9980B.3090309@gmail.com> References: <200802292251.36837.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803011809.09072.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47C9980B.3090309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803012018.35927.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Saturday 01 March 2008 18:53:15 honorshark wrote: > You can easily fix this problem. > Get a konsole then type: sudo apt-get update (for being sure), then it > will tell you to write: sudo dpkg --configure -a (or something like > this, you'll see). > > I experienced THIS on amd64 Kubuntu, with proposed, backports. I suppose this is intended for Valter... apt-get says 0 updates available for me. ;) -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 19:22:55 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:22:55 +0100 Subject: Problem with kde 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <200803011908.20581.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200802292251.36837.valtermura@gmail.com> <47C88E84.6090700@gmail.com> <200803011908.20581.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803012022.55787.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Saturday 01 March 2008 19:08:20 Valter Mura wrote: > window says to me that the program is occupied by > another process Either you have another adept session running or there's an apt waiting in your terminal. Make sure adept is not running - check in ksysguard, kill it if it is - then open Konsole and try what honorshark is suggesting. -- lanzen From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Mar 1 19:27:42 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:27:42 +0200 Subject: Built-in webcam - which app? Message-ID: <47C9AE2E.5000108@rmk.co.il> I just bought a Dell Inspiron 1525 and installed Hardy Alpha 5 on it. I want to be able to test the built-in web cam but don't know which app to use. Any pointers/suggestions would be gratefully received. TIA Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From honorshark at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 19:27:24 2008 From: honorshark at gmail.com (honorshark) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:27:24 +0100 Subject: Problem with kde 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <200803012018.35927.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200802292251.36837.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803011809.09072.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47C9980B.3090309@gmail.com> <200803012018.35927.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C9AE1C.8040407@gmail.com> lanzen wrote: > On Saturday 01 March 2008 18:53:15 honorshark wrote: > > >> You can easily fix this problem. >> Get a konsole then type: sudo apt-get update (for being sure), then it >> will tell you to write: sudo dpkg --configure -a (or something like >> this, you'll see). >> >> I experienced THIS on amd64 Kubuntu, with proposed, backports. >> > > I suppose this is intended for Valter... apt-get says 0 updates available for > me. ;) > > > Nonono :) Apt-get update WILL SAY THE COMMAND! It will say something is messed up and type the following "XY" command to fix it. (I just dont remember..thats all)(The command is looks like sudo dpkg --configure -a or smth like this). Btw this was for "Sender: Lanzen" Subject: "Problem with KDE3.5.9"... nvm..sorry if I made a mistake. From kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk Sat Mar 1 19:40:23 2008 From: kubuntu-users at cpinkney.org.uk (Colin Pinkney) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:40:23 +0000 Subject: Built-in webcam - which app? In-Reply-To: <47C9AE2E.5000108@rmk.co.il> References: <47C9AE2E.5000108@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200803011940.23109.kubuntu-users@cpinkney.org.uk> On Saturday 01 Mar 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just bought a Dell Inspiron 1525 and installed Hardy Alpha 5 on it. > I want to be able to test the built-in web cam but don't know which app to > use. Any pointers/suggestions would be gratefully received. kdetv works for me. I found I had to manually load the appropriate kernel module to get my builtin laptop webcam working at all though. -- Colin Pinkney http://www.cpinkney.org.uk From manuel at mclure.org Sat Mar 1 20:51:27 2008 From: manuel at mclure.org (Manuel McLure) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:51:27 -0800 Subject: Which Printer? In-Reply-To: <200803011900.28027.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <47C9456D.8020908@btconnect.com> <200803011900.28027.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200803011251.27987.manuel@mclure.org> On Saturday 01 March 2008 11:00:27 David Fletcher wrote: > On Saturday 01 Mar 2008, John Hansen wrote: > > I need to buy a new printer as my present HP 840C is getting rather old. > > What is recommended for use with Kubuntu 7.10? I really only need > > black/white printing. > > > > John > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > Brother provides Linux support:- > http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/developers.html > > We've got a Brother laser printer at work, already has a network port > fitted, works fine with a print server running CUPS. > > Dave HP also provides printer support - they have developed the open-source HPLIP (HP Linux Imaging and Printing) package that supports most (over 1000) of their printers, scanners and all-in-ones. I'd say that at this time, HP provides the best open-source support. I'm happily running both an ancient LaserJet 4m Plus and a relatively new Photosmart C6150 All-in-One with no problems. I can even check ink levels or transfer photos from the built in memory card slots on the Photosmart from Linux using the HPLIP tools. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 20:56:28 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 21:56:28 +0100 Subject: Problem with kde 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <47C9AE1C.8040407@gmail.com> References: <200802292251.36837.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803012018.35927.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47C9AE1C.8040407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803012156.28784.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Saturday 01 March 2008 20:27:24 honorshark wrote: > Nonono :) Apt-get update WILL SAY THE COMMAND! It will say something is > messed up and type the following "XY" command to fix it. (I just dont > remember..thats all)(The command is looks like sudo dpkg --configure -a > or smth like this). Btw this was for "Sender: Lanzen" Subject: "Problem > with KDE3.5.9"... nvm..sorry if I made a mistake. No problem! :-) Anyway: sudo apt-get update ends up giving me no updates as expected. This is right because I've just updated to 3.5.9 a few hours ago. Just to check a bit further I did sudo apt-get upgrade and it returns 0 updated, 0 installed, 0 to be removed and 0 not updated (roughly translated). BTW kde 3.5.9 is working fine on 64 so far barring the odd compiz akwardity (LOL). After all this kde shares disk space with gnome as I have both desktops here. -- lanzen From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 1 20:54:15 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:54:15 -0400 Subject: movie dvds not being recognized References: <200803010409.40141.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <2759cf860803010221l3e1faf2dr6d5435a0ad4a8438@mail.gmail.com> <1263157.hjlGTZMAij@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803011157.27186.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1358321.BDTBAZkvWs@cedar.serverforest.com> Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > On Saturday 01 March 2008 9:09:05 Derek Broughton wrote: >> Jared Greenwald wrote: >> > Do you have libdvdcss2 installed? >> >> and regionset - it turns out most DVDs don't have a region set at the >> factory. > I did not have that installed. I'm assuming that since I have installed > it, I > should run it as root, correct? (I got an error when I tried to do it > otherwise.) And then I should try every possible region (1-8) until I get > it, I suppose. No!!!!! There's a limited number of times you can run regionset (and I don't remember if it needs to be run as root - likely, but it's something I did once and never again...) > But if my drive's region isn't set, why can I get some > dvds > to work? And those that I can get to work, why do they usually also get > read as black cd-r's? Some _software_ apparently doesn't care what the region is, but why they'd be cd-rs, I have no idea. -- derek From rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk Sat Mar 1 18:25:47 2008 From: rcm at swimbarrow.co.uk (Rosalind Mitchell) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:25:47 +0000 Subject: Problem with Frostwire under Kubuntu 7.10 (gutsy) Message-ID: <200803011825.52846.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> I have installed Frostwire by downloading the .deb package from the Frostwire site and running $sudo dpkg -i against it. The installation goes fine, but when I try to run it, it fails with the attached diagnostic. Anybody able to shed any light? Thanks. Rosie ======================================== $ frostwire Starting FrostWire... Java exec found in PATH. Verifying... Suitable java version found [java = 1.6.0_04] Configuring environment... Loading FrostWire: # # An unexpected error has been detected by Java Runtime Environment: # # SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x00002ae65f562e25, pid=8281, tid=1076017488 # # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (10.0-b19 mixed mode linux-amd64) # Problematic frame: # C [libc.so.6+0x2fe25] catgets+0x15 # # An error report file with more information is saved as: # /usr/lib/frostwire/hs_err_pid8281.log # # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit: # http://java.sun.com/webapps/bugreport/crash.jsp # The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code. # See problematic frame for where to report the bug. # /usr/lib/frostwire/runFrostwire.sh: line 125: 8281 Aborted (core dumped) ${JAVA_PROGRAM_DIR}java -ea -Dorg.apache.commons.logging.Log=org.apache.commons.logging.impl.NoOpLog -Djava.library.path=. $EXECUTABLE -jar FrostWire.jar $ARGUMENTS ****************************************************************** Something went wrong with FrostWire. 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Message-ID: <9da4567f0803011347q1846039au6cb33b8533fc1230@mail.gmail.com> > I just bought a Dell Inspiron 1525 and installed Hardy Alpha 5 on it. > I want to be able to test the built-in web cam but don't know which app to use. > Any pointers/suggestions would be gratefully received. > > TIA > > Blessings, > > Nigel > The coolest app for test your webcam is Gnome Cheese (yes, I know, it's for Gnome, but it's really cool). My webcam (a built in in a HP Pavilion notebook) works with Gnome Cheese and Kopete. I'm using the Linux UVC driver. But the image has a green tint :s From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 23:01:02 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:01:02 +0100 Subject: Problem with kde 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <47C9AE1C.8040407@gmail.com> References: <200802292251.36837.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803012018.35927.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47C9AE1C.8040407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803020001.03030.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Saturday 01 March 2008 20:27:24 honorshark wrote: > It will say something is messed up and type the following "XY" command to > fix it Got it! While upgrading the kubuntu 32 bit I got an error that stopped the upgrade. I did a dpkg --configure -a as adviced and all ended up fine. The problem was about some supposedly modified files and I was asked if I would like to keep it or accept the new one. I choose the second option. Could it be a 32 bit related problem as it didn't happen when I upgraded the other kubuntu 64? anyway... all's well that ends well. ;) -- lanzen From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 23:06:34 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:06:34 -0500 Subject: medibuntu for Hardy ? In-Reply-To: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> References: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <9bed467e0803011506r7deb4448ifb9efd3d47cff37a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Where does one get stuff like w32codecs etc.? Maybe try "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras"? Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From honorshark at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 23:08:21 2008 From: honorshark at gmail.com (honorshark) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:08:21 +0100 Subject: Problem with kde 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <200803020001.03030.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200802292251.36837.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803012018.35927.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47C9AE1C.8040407@gmail.com> <200803020001.03030.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C9E1E5.1000300@gmail.com> lanzen wrote: > On Saturday 01 March 2008 20:27:24 honorshark wrote: > > >> It will say something is messed up and type the following "XY" command to >> fix it >> > > Got it! While upgrading the kubuntu 32 bit I got an error that stopped the > upgrade. I did a dpkg --configure -a as adviced and all ended up fine. The > problem was about some supposedly modified files and I was asked if I would > like to keep it or accept the new one. I choose the second option. > > Could it be a 32 bit related problem as it didn't happen when I upgraded the > other kubuntu 64? > > anyway... all's well that ends well. ;) > > It happened to me everytime I updated amd64 Kubuntu 7.10s ..so..not.. I don't think that's a 32bit related problem. By the way if somebody wants to upgrade, then he/she can figure it out (or ask somebody). :) Workarounds forevermore! :) From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 1 23:24:19 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:24:19 -0500 Subject: Which Printer? In-Reply-To: <47C9456D.8020908@btconnect.com> References: <47C9456D.8020908@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <200803011824.19895.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 01 March 2008, John Hansen wrote: > I need to buy a new printer as my present HP 840C is getting rather old. > What is recommended for use with Kubuntu 7.10? I really only need > black/white printing. I like Brother printers. They aren't quite as much on board with Linux as HP, but their lasers still have a great track record, and the consumables are cheaper. I have an HL-5170 DN now, and have been very happy with it. The printer before this one was an HL-1440. It's still running fine. I just wanted to trade up, and my old boss needed a Linux-friendly printer for his daughter, so that gave me a good excuse. -- D. Michael McIntyre From d.mcglone at att.net Sun Mar 2 05:07:47 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:07:47 -0500 Subject: Which Printer? In-Reply-To: <47C9456D.8020908@btconnect.com> References: <47C9456D.8020908@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <200803020007.47974.d.mcglone@att.net> On Saturday 01 March 2008 7:00:45 am John Hansen wrote: > I need to buy a new printer as my present HP 840C is getting rather old. > What is recommended for use with Kubuntu 7.10? I really only need > black/white printing. I just bought an HP 5610 All in one, with fax for 101.00 at wal-mart. it worked right out of the box using the 5600 print driver. -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Sun Mar 2 05:15:11 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:15:11 -0500 Subject: medibuntu for Hardy ? In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0803011506r7deb4448ifb9efd3d47cff37a@mail.gmail.com> References: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> <9bed467e0803011506r7deb4448ifb9efd3d47cff37a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803020015.11262.d.mcglone@att.net> On Saturday 01 March 2008 6:06:34 pm Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > Where does one get stuff like w32codecs etc.? > > Maybe try "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras"? Here's how I always did it, All I did was open amarok and try to play an MP3 and amarok would automatically install all the packages necessary to play all media extensions, MP3, DVD's etc etc. -- David M. From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Mar 2 05:42:43 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 07:42:43 +0200 Subject: medibuntu for Hardy ? In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0803011506r7deb4448ifb9efd3d47cff37a@mail.gmail.com> References: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> <9bed467e0803011506r7deb4448ifb9efd3d47cff37a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CA3E53.8050508@rmk.co.il> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Where does one get stuff like w32codecs etc.? > > Maybe try "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras"? > > Andrew > I did that already but I still need the win32codecs and if I try 'sudo apt-get install win32codecs' it tells me that it is mentioned by another package but that there is no package available (or something like that). I know that under previous Kubuntu versions I needed to add the medibuntu repository to my sources.list first. The thing is there isn't anything about Hardy on the medibuntu website. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Mar 2 06:14:00 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 01:14:00 -0500 Subject: medibuntu for Hardy ? In-Reply-To: <47CA3E53.8050508@rmk.co.il> References: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> <9bed467e0803011506r7deb4448ifb9efd3d47cff37a@mail.gmail.com> <47CA3E53.8050508@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200803020114.00302.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 02 March 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I know that under previous Kubuntu versions I needed to add the medibuntu > repository to my sources.list first. The thing is there isn't anything > about Hardy on the medibuntu website. Try multiverse. Medibuntu seems to be deprecated. -- D. Michael McIntyre From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Sun Mar 2 07:26:11 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:26:11 -0800 Subject: medibuntu for Hardy ? In-Reply-To: <200803020114.00302.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> <47CA3E53.8050508@rmk.co.il> <200803020114.00302.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200803012326.11719.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Saturday 01 March 2008 10:14:00 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 02 March 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > I know that under previous Kubuntu versions I needed to add the medibuntu > > repository to my sources.list first. The thing is there isn't anything > > about Hardy on the medibuntu website. > > Try multiverse. Medibuntu seems to be deprecated. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre On the surface this seems true, I did some snooping. I discovered that packages aren't due to be dumped into medibuntu until later in hardy development: https://answers.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+question/21800 I think one launchpad site mentioned April 24th..... Or maybe the pages I looked at on Launchpad are deprecated too! My what a tangled web we could weave! Larry From honorshark at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 08:03:04 2008 From: honorshark at gmail.com (honorshark) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:03:04 +0100 Subject: medibuntu for Hardy ? In-Reply-To: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> References: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <47CA5F38.70701@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I recently installed Hardy Alpha 5 on my new Dell 1525 laptop and can't find anything > about Hardy on the medibuntu website. > > Where does one get stuff like w32codecs etc.? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > You should give a try for CVS versions. Discover what applications can be founded in the .debs then go to each website, download the dependency, source, then compile them. (Maybe make .deb packages). Medibuntu is VERY old. By the way its just "working", but every package have a lot of bug (Amarok, and some package are new, but the libraries are old). I know, I know..its not that easy. But its better than downloading very old packages. From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sun Mar 2 09:17:13 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:17:13 +0100 Subject: Which Printer? References: <47C9456D.8020908@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <87wsol32p2.fsf@fjellstad.org> John Hansen writes: > I need to buy a new printer as my present HP 840C is getting rather old. > What is recommended for use with Kubuntu 7.10? I really only need > black/white printing. I usually get the HP ones -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From galette at tin.it Sun Mar 2 10:32:54 2008 From: galette at tin.it (alessia) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:32:54 +0100 Subject: wich printer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CA8256.9070504@tin.it> Hello everyone I also have had problem with printer and Linux. I usually bought Epson printer beacuse they are cheap ( or at last the stylus series are ) and I don't need high quality printing (I need just print mainly balck/and white documents). The thing that really annoying me is that I can't use the fronte/retro function ( that I can use with Win) maybe do I have something to configure in CUPS? It's also seem that the printing is slower... I mainly use Kubuntu so I 'd prefer don't have to switch from an OS to another just for printing. Thanks All (beyond my problems I think that the support to print with linux is grown in the last years ) bye Alessia From whitover-1 at btconnect.com Sun Mar 2 10:38:53 2008 From: whitover-1 at btconnect.com (John Hansen) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:38:53 +0000 Subject: Printer Message-ID: <47CA83BD.10404@btconnect.com> Thanks for info. It seems HP is the favoured brand. John From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 2 12:30:41 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 07:30:41 -0500 Subject: Re In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CA9DF1.9020403@sbcglobal.net> santana.santanaa at bol.com.br wrote: > >On saturday, 01 of march > Good night, people > Excuse me because , I DON'T speak very well > But, I need of program of compuçter for to be installed in my > commpudter, but that graved and producedd CD and DVD, and more.... > More that is gratuit. and more I need outher program for corige > problem in computer, and gratuit.. > Abraços de Mosair Alves Santan It is very difficult understanding you. Please write in your own language. We can then translate what you say to help you. Cordially, Steven From francisco.borges at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 15:45:52 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:45:52 +0100 Subject: Re In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:30 PM, wrote: > >On saturday, 01 of march > Good night, people > Excuse me because , I DON'T speak very well > But, I need of program of compuçter for to be installed in my commpudter, > but that graved and producedd CD and DVD, and more.... > More that is gratuit. and more I need outher program for corige problem in > computer, and gratuit.. > Abraços de Mosair Alves Santan Bom dia, Por favor escreva em portugues. O texto que vc mandou em inglês está incompreensível. Uma alternativa melhor seria mandar mensagens em português para essa lista aqui: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br É uma lista com o objectivo de formar um ambiente de auxílio mútuo entre usuários de ubuntu Brasileiros. Outra lista que vale a pena tentar seria https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-pt Que é a lista de usuários de Portugal. Cordialmente, -- Francisco From tomrood1 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 16:20:20 2008 From: tomrood1 at yahoo.com (Tom R) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:20:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <573437.84059.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Thanks for info. It seems HP is the favoured brand. > > John > John, HP tends to be favored because HP maintains their own linux printer drivers. All the other major printer manufacturers are relying on the community for support. Since HP maintains their own driver, it stays current and therefore usable. If you go with any other brand, you should search sourceforge.net for a driver before you buy. Thomas A. Rood ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From basroufs at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 17:20:45 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:20:45 +0100 Subject: How to 'root-access' and delete a 'locked folder' at the desktop? SOLVED! Message-ID: <47CAE1ED.90604@gmail.com> Dear Wulfy, Jared and Everybody Here are the essentials of the message I wrote you yesterday: > Bas Roufs wrote: > >> ....'hplip-2.7.12' ...no ...'root-access' in order to remove or at least move to elsewhere >> the hplip download folder, away from the desktop..... >> With respect to your question, Jared: > What is the exact error message you get from the command-line? Thanks for this attempt to clarify the problem. At the "command-line" (I am a newbie - what exactly do you mean with this term?) I did not look. But at a dialogue window popping up after each attempt to remove or at least move the folder, I saw something like this: "Error. You do not have access rights to this location." However it may be, your message, Wulfy, came in at the same time: > The way that I would do it would be: Open Konqueror at the Desktop folder. Right-click in the folder (not on any icon) and select Actions/open terminal here .....Then to remove the files (and folder): sudo rm -r hplip-2.7.12 > > This is the simple, but effective solution I have been looking for about four weeks .... I exactly carried out this instruction and it worked perfectly. Thank you very much! Respectfully Yours, Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. Skype: BasRoufs Google Talk: BasRoufs Yahoo Messenger: Bas6Human ************************** From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 17:40:50 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:40:50 +0200 Subject: How to 'root-access' and delete a 'locked folder' at the desktop? SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <47CAE1ED.90604@gmail.com> References: <47CAE1ED.90604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803021940.50354.donn.ingle@gmail.com> >> sudo rm -r hplip-2.7.12 By way of a quick explanation, Bas: 1. sudo takes you into 'root' mode temporarily - i.e. you become the most powerful user on the system who can do anything anywhere. (Be careful!) 2. rm means 'remove', its the command-line delete button :) 3. -r means 'recurse' -- it will remove everything and all the subfolders under it. Sometimes you have to add -f which means 'force' if the system does not want to delete something, so: rm -fr blah/ 4. The last part is simply the name of the folder you wanted deleted. HTH, if a bit late, \d From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Mar 2 18:13:06 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:13:06 -0500 Subject: Printer In-Reply-To: <573437.84059.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <573437.84059.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803021313.06751.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 02 March 2008, Tom R wrote: > John, HP tends to be favored because HP maintains > their own linux printer drivers. All the other major > printer manufacturers are relying on the community for > support. Last time I worked with the HPLIP team, they were community people working closely with HP, not paid HP employees. Their Linux page is top notch though, and they get my vote for the best and most accessible mainstream support, where other manufacturers bury their Linux page somewhere separate from all the "real Windows stuff" on their main sites. Brother has one though. I have no idea if it's community supported or not. I just know their monochrome lasers are a good bet for Linux, and their equipment doesn't carry the high premium HP LaserJet price. http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html (My current printer is supported directly by my current CUPS in Gutsy out of the box, incidentally. Though I used to have to grab the .ppd file off the CD by hand.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From jg at jguk.org Sun Mar 2 20:23:24 2008 From: jg at jguk.org (Jon Grant) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:23:24 +0000 Subject: Skype with Kubuntu 7.10 on Dell Inpsiron 1300 Laptop Message-ID: <19ac3f7a0803021223x308df03obab72ba9235bade6@mail.gmail.com> Hello I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 and would like to get Skype working on my Dell Inpsiron 1300 laptop. My mic input seems dead, it did work from Windows before I wiped the drive. The headphones output works ok. I had a look at this and tried a few things, but no success: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype anyone encountered this already and know a solution which works? I'm thinking it is some OSS/ALSA problem.. perhaps there is an older verison of Skype I can use which works? Kind regards, Jon # lsmod |grep oss snd_pcm_oss 44672 0 snd_mixer_oss 17664 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 80388 6 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss snd_seq_oss 33152 0 snd_seq_midi_event 8448 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 53232 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq_device 9228 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd 54660 29 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device From honorshark at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 20:36:40 2008 From: honorshark at gmail.com (SharK) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:36:40 +0100 Subject: Skype with Kubuntu 7.10 on Dell Inpsiron 1300 Laptop In-Reply-To: <19ac3f7a0803021223x308df03obab72ba9235bade6@mail.gmail.com> References: <19ac3f7a0803021223x308df03obab72ba9235bade6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can try each version. 2.0beta or the 1.xx "stable". By the way I've had a big problem with the Kubuntu audio (flash, etc), what I've had to fix with: asoundconf set-default-card (asoundconf list - to see the list of the avaliable devices). That's all. Try these ones.. 2008/3/2, Jon Grant : > Hello > > I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 and would like to get Skype working on my > Dell Inpsiron 1300 laptop. My mic input seems dead, it did work from > Windows before I wiped the drive. The headphones output works ok. > > I had a look at this and tried a few things, but no success: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype > > anyone encountered this already and know a solution which works? I'm > thinking it is some OSS/ALSA problem.. perhaps there is an older > verison of Skype I can use which works? > > Kind regards, Jon > > > # lsmod |grep oss > snd_pcm_oss 44672 0 > snd_mixer_oss 17664 1 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 80388 6 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss > snd_seq_oss 33152 0 > snd_seq_midi_event 8448 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi > snd_seq 53232 6 > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event > snd_seq_device 9228 5 > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq > snd 54660 29 > snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 21:34:40 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:34:40 +0200 Subject: Skype with Kubuntu 7.10 on Dell Inpsiron 1300 Laptop In-Reply-To: <19ac3f7a0803021223x308df03obab72ba9235bade6@mail.gmail.com> References: <19ac3f7a0803021223x308df03obab72ba9235bade6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803021334r576edfebv819c54363e51532a@mail.gmail.com> On 02/03/2008, Jon Grant wrote: > Hello > > I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 and would like to get Skype working on my > Dell Inpsiron 1300 laptop. My mic input seems dead, it did work from > Windows before I wiped the drive. The headphones output works ok. > > I had a look at this and tried a few things, but no success: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype > > anyone encountered this already and know a solution which works? I'm > thinking it is some OSS/ALSA problem.. perhaps there is an older > verison of Skype I can use which works? > > Kind regards, Jon > > > # lsmod |grep oss > snd_pcm_oss 44672 0 > snd_mixer_oss 17664 1 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 80388 6 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss > snd_seq_oss 33152 0 > snd_seq_midi_event 8448 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi > snd_seq 53232 6 > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event > snd_seq_device 9228 5 > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq > snd 54660 29 > snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device > Skype has an option somewhere deep in the menus that lets it control your mic volume. Disable it, as for me it always set the mic volume to 0. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From takmadeus at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 01:06:34 2008 From: takmadeus at gmail.com (Takmadeus) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:06:34 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu brainstorm site? References: <47C7E12F.8050005@gmail.com> Message-ID: O. Sinclair wrote: > Just noticed (was told about) the new Ubuntu Brainstorm site: > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ > > any chance of something similar for Kubuntu? Jonathan et al? > > Sinclair Curiously, I was wondering exactly the same -- «El sentido común es esa colección de prejuicios que se adquieren cuando cumples 18. » - Einstein From cms0009 at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 05:13:13 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 00:13:13 -0500 Subject: undelete a folder ? Message-ID: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> I need to recovery a folder off my backup usb drive vfat 32 is there a application for doing this??, or a linux command ?? Thanks in Advance Richard From basroufs at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 08:22:23 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:22:23 +0100 Subject: How to 'root-access' and delete a 'locked folder' at the desktop? SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <200803021940.50354.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <47CAE1ED.90604@gmail.com> <200803021940.50354.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CBB53F.9050202@gmail.com> Hey Don Thanks for your clear explanations. A few more detail questions - see below. Donn wrote: >>> sudo rm -r hplip-2.7.12 >>> > By way of a quick explanation, Bas: > > 1. sudo takes you into 'root' mode temporarily - i.e. you become the most > powerful user on the system who can do anything anywhere. (Be careful!) > This is the most clear explanation I ever read with respect to 'sudo' :-).... > 2. rm means 'remove', its the command-line delete button :) > 'Command-line': is that another word for such a black unix shell console? > 3. -r means 'recurse' -- it will remove everything and all the subfolders under it. Sometimes you have to add -f which means 'force' if the system does > not want to delete something, so: rm -fr blah/ > In the case of the HPLIP folder, 'rm - r' was enough. However it is good to know about this 'fr' variant for other situations ..... > 4. The last part is simply the name of the folder you wanted deleted. > :-)! > > > HTH, if a bit late, > For extra knowledge it's never too late! By the way, do you know clear some reference guide that could help me to find my way and -especially - to better understand the 'logic' behind this jungle of UNIX? commands. Thanks, Respectfully Yours, Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. Skype: BasRoufs Google Talk: BasRoufs Yahoo Messenger: Bas6Human ************************** From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 08:42:55 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:42:55 +0200 Subject: How to 'root-access' and delete a 'locked folder' at the desktop? SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <47CBB53F.9050202@gmail.com> References: <47CAE1ED.90604@gmail.com> <200803021940.50354.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47CBB53F.9050202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803031042.55543.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Bas, > 'Command-line': is that another word for such a black unix shell console? Yes. There are many names for it, but it's all the same thing. [ CLI - (Command Line Interface), shell, console, konsole, terminal, command, command line. ] > In the case of the HPLIP folder, 'rm - r' was enough. However it is good > to know about this 'fr' variant for other situations ..... I think it worked on your hplip folder because there were probably no other subfolders within it. If rm -r blah gives an error, then rm -fr blah will force the issue. Again, beware - gone is gone. There is no 'recycle bin' from the command line. > By the way, do you know clear some reference guide that could help me to > find my way and -especially - to better understand the 'logic' behind > this jungle of UNIX? commands. Thanks, That's a job for self-education. Google will get you endless answers. There is also built-in help at the cli, try: man rm That will open the 'man' page (short for manual) about the rm command. They may point you to info as well: info rm Man pages are used by : 1. arrow up/down 2. Space or page down and page up 3. Q to quit 4. Type / and a phrase to search for it. For example, /directory will highlight that word all over the page. Pressing 'n' will step to the next one found. HTH \d From pandarsson at yahoo.com Mon Mar 3 10:03:03 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 04:03:03 -0600 Subject: bash completion Message-ID: <200803030403.03763.pandarsson@yahoo.com> If there are any command line experts here, maybe you can answer a quick question: On my desktop machine, bash allows me to type a partial command, press page up and cycle through the commands in my history that start with what I typed. How do I set up bash so it'll work that way on this machine? From francisco.borges at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 10:19:43 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:19:43 +0100 Subject: bash completion In-Reply-To: <200803030403.03763.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200803030403.03763.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > If there are any command line experts here, maybe you can answer a quick > question: > > On my desktop machine, bash allows me to type a partial command, press page up > and cycle through the commands in my history that start with what I typed. > How do I set up bash so it'll work that way on this machine? I am not a bash user ;-) but I think you have the bash function "history-search-backward" bound to PageUp. >From the bash manual history-search-backward Search backward through the history for the string of characters between the start of the current line and the point. This is a non-incremental search. Try using: bind -P to see if that function is really bound to page up (or to discover which is the function bound to the key); and then use bind ("man bash-builtins") to bind page up to it on your .bashrc. AFAIK to get a "page up" literal, you should hit C-v (control-v), and then hit 'page-up". HTH, -- Francisco From maurograuso at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 11:17:27 2008 From: maurograuso at gmail.com (Mauro Grauso) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:17:27 +0100 Subject: bash completion In-Reply-To: <200803030403.03763.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200803030403.03763.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: You don't have to setup anything special just use CTRL+r and type something. Bash searches in the command history and fills the command. To search for the next occurrence of your search string use CTRL-r again. It's advisable to increase your search history size too. Edit your .bashrc file (~/.bashrc) and increase the HISTFILESIZE and the HISTSIZE variables. eg. add the following to the file: HISTFILESIZE=1000000 HISTSIZE=10000 cheers, Mauro On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > If there are any command line experts here, maybe you can answer a quick > question: > > On my desktop machine, bash allows me to type a partial command, press page up > and cycle through the commands in my history that start with what I typed. > How do I set up bash so it'll work that way on this machine? > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From bonedu at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 12:12:09 2008 From: bonedu at gmail.com (Eduard Bonet) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:12:09 +0100 Subject: Wifi Ralink RT2500 In-Reply-To: <4911ff840802280037o50a9c9c8icea5574ca897d5cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e192e060802270328w29653758p3056e1c1af1316a8@mail.gmail.com> <4911ff840802280037o50a9c9c8icea5574ca897d5cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e192e060803030412q5138b0ffu44bf1196b9bb9bc1@mail.gmail.com> The last weekend i got wired internet connection for my pc, then updated gutsy, and run sudo dhclient -q wlan0 sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid ... sudo dhclient wlan0 and it just worked! As i didn't follow a proper experimental procedure i am not sure if the success was the result of updating or of the command "dhclient -q wlan0". Now i am a bit curious and would like to know it, but in any case it works. Thanks! 2008/2/28, mehmet Dilmac : > > apt-get install dhclient > > dhclient -q "hardware" or ETH1-9 > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Eduard Bonet Linux user n.444814 (K)Ubuntu user 12888 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 12:35:30 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:35:30 +0200 Subject: bash completion In-Reply-To: <200803030403.03763.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200803030403.03763.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803031435.30870.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > On my desktop machine, bash allows me to type a partial command, press page > up and cycle through the commands in my history that start with what I > typed. How do I set up bash so it'll work that way on this machine? I don't know the exact reason, but compare the ~/.bashrc and ~./bash_profile files to the one on the other machine. You might find something there as those files are involved with setting up the shell for the current login. \d From francisco.borges at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 12:38:10 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:38:10 +0100 Subject: bash completion In-Reply-To: References: <200803030403.03763.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Mauro Grauso wrote: > You don't have to setup anything special just use CTRL+r and type > something. Bash searches in the command history and fills the command. > To search for the next occurrence of your search string use CTRL-r > again. I may be spliting hairs here, but FWIW the behaviour he described looks like 'history-search-backward, and not like 'reverse-search-history (which is normally bound to C-r). AFAICT the main difference being that reverse-search-history is incremental (first hit C-r, and then type), and history-search-backward is non-incremental (first type, and then search). I do agree that simply using C-r is a much simpler way to accomplish backward-search, since it is set by default. Cheers, -- Francisco From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 13:09:04 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:09:04 +0200 Subject: "save folders" in KDE 3.5.9 Message-ID: <47CBF870.4010209@gmail.com> When I do a save as or download save or something in KDE 3.5.9 I have these nice new folders to choose from in the left panel "download" "music" "pictures" and so on. Where can I define where these reside as I already have folders for this and not always want to use the corresponding folders in Home. Sinclair From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 13:23:56 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:23:56 +0200 Subject: "save folders" in KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <47CBF870.4010209@gmail.com> References: <47CBF870.4010209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803031523.56610.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Where can I define where these reside as I already have folders for this > and not always want to use the corresponding folders in Home. Try right-clicking them ... \d From arzajac at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 14:59:49 2008 From: arzajac at gmail.com (Andrew Zajac) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:59:49 -0500 Subject: undelete a folder ? In-Reply-To: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <65241ce50803030659s7beb9b98kedccb7d73d9f91dc@mail.gmail.com> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Richard wrote: > I need to recovery a folder off my backup usb drive vfat 32 > is there a application for doing this??, or a linux command ?? > > Thanks in Advance > Richard > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > The Fat filesystem does not have an easy way to undelete files. Fat file undeletion software uses data carving techniques. http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery If your drive is small, you can use foremost or photorec to data carve the files out. If the drive is very big and you don't want to sort through a lot of recoverd files (it won't differentiate between intact and deleted files), you can use the "dls" tool from The Sleuth Kit to make an image of the unallocated blocks, and then recover from there. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 15:22:52 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:22:52 +0200 Subject: "save folders" in KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <200803031523.56610.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <47CBF870.4010209@gmail.com> <200803031523.56610.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CC17CC.2000808@gmail.com> Donn wrote: >> Where can I define where these reside as I already have folders for this >> and not always want to use the corresponding folders in Home. > Try right-clicking them ... > > > \d > Now why did someone for once have to go and make an easy way of changing settings in KDE, of course I never thought of that ;-) From pandarsson at yahoo.com Mon Mar 3 16:27:56 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:27:56 -0600 Subject: bash completion In-Reply-To: References: <200803030403.03763.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803031027.56742.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Monday 03 March 2008 4:19:43 Francisco Borges wrote: > I am not a bash user ;-) but I think you have the bash function > "history-search-backward" bound to PageUp. > > From the bash manual > history-search-backward > Search backward through the history for the string of > characters between the > start of the current line and the point. This is a > non-incremental search. > > Try using: > > bind -P > > to see if that function is really bound to page up (or to discover > which is the function bound to the key); and then use bind ("man > bash-builtins") to bind page up to it on your .bashrc. > > AFAIK to get a "page up" literal, you should hit C-v (control-v), and > then hit 'page-up". This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you. I know of the other, but when you get used to doing things a certain way... well, you know. From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 16:43:38 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:43:38 +0200 Subject: KColourChooser chooses everything as blue? Message-ID: <880dece00803030843w4b92ba80s8492cdfff648ee53@mail.gmail.com> No matter what colour I click on with KColourChooser, I get some shade of blue. Has anyone else experienced this? Any known fix? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Mar 3 17:57:09 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:57:09 -0600 Subject: undelete a folder ? In-Reply-To: <65241ce50803030659s7beb9b98kedccb7d73d9f91dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> <65241ce50803030659s7beb9b98kedccb7d73d9f91dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CC3BF5.2090601@swbell.net> Andrew Zajac wrote: > http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Richard wrote: >> I need to recovery a folder off my backup usb drive vfat 32 >> is there a application for doing this??, or a linux command ?? >> >> Thanks in Advance >> Richard >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > The Fat filesystem does not have an easy way to undelete files. Fat > file undeletion software uses data carving techniques. > > http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery > > If your drive is small, you can use foremost or photorec to data carve > the files out. If the drive is very big and you don't want to sort > through a lot of recoverd files (it won't differentiate between intact > and deleted files), you can use the "dls" tool from The Sleuth Kit to > make an image of the unallocated blocks, and then recover from there. > I don't know about Linux in general or Kubuntu in particular but IF you haven't written anything else to the disk If you can open the disk and see the file system When you "delete" a file it will often just remove [ change the referrence ] the file name in the allocation table [ I think it's called ]. Sometimes I have been able to find this listing and redo the name. IF you have written to the disk there is a good possibility that at least some of the file was overwritten and will not be recoverable. There are a LOT of "IF'S" to this method but in some cases it can work. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 18:25:35 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:25:35 +0200 Subject: KColourChooser chooses everything as blue? In-Reply-To: <880dece00803030843w4b92ba80s8492cdfff648ee53@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00803030843w4b92ba80s8492cdfff648ee53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803032025.35624.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I get some shade > of blue. Has anyone else experienced this? Any known fix? Yes, install Kprozac :D Perhaps there's some permission problem, try running it from the cli...? \d From lanzenesi at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 18:21:20 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:21:20 +0100 Subject: "save folders" in KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <47CC17CC.2000808@gmail.com> References: <47CBF870.4010209@gmail.com> <200803031523.56610.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47CC17CC.2000808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803031921.20336.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Monday 03 March 2008 16:22:52 O. Sinclair wrote: > Now why did someone for once have to go and make an easy way of changing > settings in KDE, of course I never thought of that ;-) I'm feeling lazy today. ;-) I wonder, does any of you know where I can find the setting file to hack that a bit? -- lanzen From pandarsson at yahoo.com Mon Mar 3 21:07:46 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:07:46 -0600 Subject: bash completion In-Reply-To: <200803031435.30870.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803030403.03763.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <200803031435.30870.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803031507.47573.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Monday 03 March 2008 6:35:30 Donn wrote: > > On my desktop machine, bash allows me to type a partial command, press > > page up and cycle through the commands in my history that start with what > > I typed. How do I set up bash so it'll work that way on this machine? > > I don't know the exact reason, but compare the ~/.bashrc and > ~./bash_profile files to the one on the other machine. You might find > something there as those files are involved with setting up the shell for > the current login. > > \d Actually, thanks to whomever it was that pointed me to the history-search-backward option, I found out that the guilty file was inputrc. Well, the version in the home directory is .inputrc and the global one is in /etc/inputrc. In fact, the default one in /etc that Kubuntu installed actually had the options in it, but they were commented out. So now they're active. Thanks, guys. From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 21:53:24 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:53:24 +0200 Subject: KColourChooser chooses everything as blue? In-Reply-To: <200803032025.35624.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00803030843w4b92ba80s8492cdfff648ee53@mail.gmail.com> <200803032025.35624.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803031353v6cd1d246nfd0dae2c0964be1a@mail.gmail.com> On 03/03/2008, Donn wrote: > > I get some shade > > of blue. Has anyone else experienced this? Any known fix? > > Yes, install Kprozac :D That depends upon Ktherapist, which I don't have :) > Perhaps there's some permission problem, try running it from the cli...? > Absolutely no output to the cli. None. App works just like it does when I start it from the menu. Everything is a shade of blue. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From bmachia at wjm1a.com Tue Mar 4 14:14:28 2008 From: bmachia at wjm1a.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:14:28 -0800 Subject: Missing Open Application buttons on Taskbar Message-ID: Missing Open Application buttons on Taskbar I recently installed the KDE 4.0.1 desktop, and I'm running it parallel with KDE 3. Since the install, my (4) taskbar desktop buttons have slid to the far left along with the Clock, right next to the Application launcher. I guess that’s OK, but I can no longer see open applications. Is anyone else having this problem? I tried to post this on the forums in hopes this might be a common problem. But so far, no one has responded/replied. Bill From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 4 15:16:07 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:16:07 -0400 Subject: Missing Open Application buttons on Taskbar References: Message-ID: <15665178.Dy1Zk1fc8k@cedar.serverforest.com> Bill wrote: > Missing Open Application buttons on Taskbar > > I recently installed the KDE 4.0.1 desktop, and I'm running it parallel > with KDE 3. > > Since the install, my (4) taskbar desktop buttons have slid to the far > left along > with the Clock, right next to the Application launcher. I guess that’s > OK, but I can no longer see open applications. > > Is anyone else having this problem? > > I tried to post this on the forums in hopes this might be a common > problem. But so far, no one has responded/replied. At some time recently, an incomplete install broke kicker, and I ended up having to completely rebuild my kicker panel. There's not much you can do besides rebuild it. Just right-click on an empty part of the bar (if there are no empty parts, right click on any drag bar and choose "panel menu"). Then add the Taskbar Applet to the panel. -- derek From sic.thesage at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 18:11:27 2008 From: sic.thesage at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gustavo_S=EDcoli?=) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:11:27 -0300 Subject: Graphic interface installation Message-ID: <8f2f126d0803041011v593afc03jbb41ba8a5b9c48e5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm new to linux in anything but compiling C/C++ programs and I'm trying to install it for the first time. I downloaded Kubuntu 6.06 from their own website and tried installing it, but figured I installed text only, then I referred to a HOWTO and it seems that it was supposed to give me a graphical interface installation from beginning, but it is not there, anyone know why? Now I'm trying the server installation and will try to install the graphical interface from within, but it would be easier to install it one time alone… I'd also like to know if there is a way for me to install a more recent kernel along with the installation o kubuntu or if I'd have to install it the way it is and then install something newer? The 2.6.15doesn't seem to have IPsec in good shape, and I'd need to learn to use it for the application I have to develop here. Thanks, Gustavo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spwhite at freesurf.ch Tue Mar 4 18:22:21 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:22:21 +0100 Subject: undelete a folder ? In-Reply-To: <47CC3BF5.2090601@swbell.net> References: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> <65241ce50803030659s7beb9b98kedccb7d73d9f91dc@mail.gmail.com> <47CC3BF5.2090601@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200803041922.21407.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Monday 03 March 2008 18:57, Billie Walsh wrote: > I don't know about Linux in general or Kubuntu in particular but > > IF you haven't written anything else to the disk > If you can open the disk and see the file system You only see intact files, including backup (with a trailing ~ in linux) and hidden (with a leading . in Linux) if your setting is for that. > When you "delete" a file it will often just remove Yes > [ change the referrence ] the file name Then logically it should not just change but also mark a freed. > in the allocation table [ I think it's called ]. Yes AFAIK unless you "shred" a file, it is not immediately destroyed, only the space it occupied on the drive is marked as free, you're right on that point. How this is done may be more closely dependant on the file system than on the operating system. (?) I belive there is often some redundancy between the allocation table and meta data stored in the tracks and sectors so it may be possible, starting from a sector that contained part of your your file or a pointer to it, to follow the links down (and up ?) to reconstruct that file. (I have used a track-editor to salvage files on a disquette but it was incommensurably smaller than a present HD, and I used context rather of meta-data because there were text files) > > Sometimes I have been able to find this listing and redo the name. I whish you could be more explicit here. Best adwise I can provide if you really want to recover important deleted files would be, as soon as you notice the problem, to boot from another partition or CD and mount the partition with your data read only because the system itself writes ans updates countless files all the time and they all can definitively eradicate parts of your data. Perry -- BOFH excuse #380: Operators killed when huge stack of backup tapes fell over From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 4 18:53:39 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:53:39 +0100 Subject: Graphic interface installation In-Reply-To: <8f2f126d0803041011v593afc03jbb41ba8a5b9c48e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f2f126d0803041011v593afc03jbb41ba8a5b9c48e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803041953.39653.kassube@gmx.net> Gustavo Sícoli wrote: > I downloaded Kubuntu 6.06 from their own website and tried > installing it, but figured I installed text only > I'd also like to know if there is a way for me to install a > more recent kernel along with the installation o kubuntu or if I'd have > to install it the way it is and then install something newer? The > 2.6.15doesn't seem to have IPsec in good shape, and I'd need to learn > to use it > for the application I have to develop here. Probably the best way to solve both problems, is to download the 7.10 desktop CD. Then you get the GUI and a newer kernel (2.6.22). Nils From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 18:58:30 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:58:30 -0500 Subject: Graphic interface installation In-Reply-To: <8f2f126d0803041011v593afc03jbb41ba8a5b9c48e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f2f126d0803041011v593afc03jbb41ba8a5b9c48e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CD9BD6.7080101@gmail.com> Gustavo Sícoli wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to linux in anything but compiling C/C++ programs and I'm trying > to install it for the first time. > > I downloaded Kubuntu 6.06 from their own website and tried > installing it, but figured I installed text only, then I referred to a > HOWTO and it seems that it was supposed to give me a graphical interface > installation from beginning, but it is not there, anyone know why? Most likely, the graphic desktop is installed. My guess is that your video card wasn't recognized. Do you get the screen that allows you to choose what installation or what kernel you want to boot with? If so, try booing with the other options and see if you can start the Control Center and change your video driver. You can also start the Control Center from the command line but I don't remember what you have to type in to start it. Eric Jackson > > Now I'm trying the server installation and will try to > install the graphical interface from within, but it would be easier to > install it one time alone… > > I'd also like to know if there is a way for me to install a > more recent kernel along with the installation o kubuntu or if I'd have > to install it the way it is and then install something newer? The 2.6.15 > doesn't seem to have IPsec in good shape, and I'd need to learn to use > it for the application I have to develop here. > > > > Thanks, > > Gustavo. > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Mar 4 18:59:22 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:59:22 -0600 Subject: undelete a folder ? In-Reply-To: <200803041922.21407.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> <65241ce50803030659s7beb9b98kedccb7d73d9f91dc@mail.gmail.com> <47CC3BF5.2090601@swbell.net> <200803041922.21407.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <47CD9C0A.6030104@swbell.net> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Monday 03 March 2008 18:57, Billie Walsh wrote: >> I don't know about Linux in general or Kubuntu in particular but >> >> IF you haven't written anything else to the disk >> If you can open the disk and see the file system > You only see intact files, including backup (with a trailing ~ in linux) and > hidden (with a leading . in Linux) if your setting is for that. >> When you "delete" a file it will often just remove > Yes >> [ change the referrence ] the file name > Then logically it should not just change but also mark a freed. >> in the allocation table [ I think it's called ]. > Yes > > AFAIK unless you "shred" a file, it is not immediately destroyed, only the > space it occupied on the drive is marked as free, you're right on that point. > How this is done may be more closely dependant on the file system than on the > operating system. (?) > I belive there is often some redundancy between the allocation table and meta > data stored in the tracks and sectors so it may be possible, starting from a > sector that contained part of your your file or a pointer to it, to follow > the links down (and up ?) to reconstruct that file. > (I have used a track-editor to salvage files on a disquette but it was > incommensurably smaller than a present HD, and I used context rather of > meta-data because there were text files) >> Sometimes I have been able to find this listing and redo the name. > I whish you could be more explicit here. > > Best adwise I can provide if you really want to recover important deleted > files would be, as soon as you notice the problem, to boot from another > partition or CD and mount the partition with your data read only because the > system itself writes ans updates countless files all the time and they all > can definitively eradicate parts of your data. > > Perry > It's been years since I had to do this and I can't remember just how I managed to get to the right place. I was recovering a file but it seems that I used DOS to do a "dir" then renamed the file with the correct name. As I said it's been years and I'm not sure just how I did it, but it was something along these lines I'm sure. I'm not a CLI guru but if you can get to a CLI only and show the directory listing in the correct place you might see where the name of the folder/file has been changed to tell the system "this space is free" in some way. If so just rename it to it's correct name. Worth a shot anyway. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Tue Mar 4 19:04:52 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:04:52 +0000 Subject: Open Office default page layout question Message-ID: <030420081904.11998.47CD9D540009441C00002EDE2207001641CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> When I open a new Open Office writer document the page margins are set to 0.79 inches. I know how to reset these for a document, but I can't figure out how to make 1 inch margins the default for all new documents. I would think that Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org Writer would have a module allowing the default page format to be set, but, no luck. Can someone point me in the right direction! Thanks, Paul From lists at ptfd.org Tue Mar 4 21:07:59 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:07:59 -0500 Subject: usb sheetfeed scanner Message-ID: <200803041607.59871.lists@ptfd.org> I need a USB sheetfeed scanner that works with linux, along the lines of the neatreceipts scanner. I dont need the extra software (ocr etc...) as I have had luck with the Linux OCR stuff, and just want to make pdf's for now anyway. Anyone have any luck with one? How about Cardscan? Mike From glgxg at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 4 22:18:27 2008 From: glgxg at sbcglobal.net (NoOp) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:18:27 -0800 Subject: Open Office default page layout question In-Reply-To: <030420081904.11998.47CD9D540009441C00002EDE2207001641CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> References: <030420081904.11998.47CD9D540009441C00002EDE2207001641CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 03/04/2008 11:04 AM, pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: > When I open a new Open Office writer document the page margins are > set to 0.79 inches. I know how to reset these for a document, but I > can't figure out how to make 1 inch margins the default for all new > documents. > > I would think that Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org Writer would have a > module allowing the default page format to be set, but, no luck. > > Can someone point me in the right direction! Thanks, Paul > Recommend that you download the documentation: http://support.openoffice.org/index.html http://documentation.openoffice.org/ And join us over on the OOo mailing list (user at openoffice.org): http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html :-) From tomrood1 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 00:15:14 2008 From: tomrood1 at yahoo.com (Tom R) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:15:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Graphic interface installation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <233918.68824.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The command to go to the GUI from the CLI is startx as any user. The other option is sudo telinit 5. However, if you haven't set up the GUI, either of these may fail. Thomas A. Rood ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From 2050gaulin at videotron.ca Wed Mar 5 02:51:30 2008 From: 2050gaulin at videotron.ca (Denis Gaulin) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:51:30 -0500 Subject: Open Office default page layout question In-Reply-To: References: <030420081904.11998.47CD9D540009441C00002EDE2207001641CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47CE0AB2.4090304@videotron.ca> NoOp a écrit : > On 03/04/2008 11:04 AM, pkaplan1 at comcast.net wrote: > >> When I open a new Open Office writer document the page margins are >> set to 0.79 inches. I know how to reset these for a document, but I >> can't figure out how to make 1 inch margins the default for all new >> documents. >> >> I would think that Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org Writer would have a >> module allowing the default page format to be set, but, no luck. >> >> Can someone point me in the right direction! Thanks, Paul >> >> > > > > > Recommend that you download the documentation: > http://support.openoffice.org/index.html > http://documentation.openoffice.org/ > And join us over on the OOo mailing list (user at openoffice.org): > http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html > :-) > > > Le 04 mars, 2008 Paul, it is very simple. Go to FOTMAT , then select PAGE look in bottom left section you will see the page standard margin settings Left, upper, right and bottom. Just re-ajust to 1.0'' margin if this is what you like. you can also go to FORMAT -- Paragraph and '' clear/add all tabs you do not want for each line that ytou write. Good luck Denis Gaulin From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Wed Mar 5 03:12:12 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:12:12 -0500 Subject: Graphic interface installation In-Reply-To: <233918.68824.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <233918.68824.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803042212.12377.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Tuesday 04 March 2008, Tom R wrote: > any user. The other option is sudo telinit 5. The normal runlevel for Debian and its offshoots is 2, not 5. $ runlevel N 2 5 might work, because I think 2 through 5 are identical on Debian (and offshoot) systems, but 2 will definitely work. (Assuming X11 is even configured on the guy's system, of course.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From pandarsson at yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 03:28:36 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:28:36 -0600 Subject: undelete a folder ? In-Reply-To: <47CD9C0A.6030104@swbell.net> References: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> <200803041922.21407.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <47CD9C0A.6030104@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200803042128.36726.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Tuesday 04 March 2008 12:59:22 Billie Walsh wrote: > It's been years since I had to do this and I can't remember just how I > managed to get to the right place. I was recovering a file but it seems > that I used DOS to do a "dir" then renamed the file with the correct name. DOS had an "undelete" command and it would work some times if you did it immediately. And the reason they could do it was because FAT was rather primitive - I don't recall exactly how, but I remember that that was the case. From stonejg at hotmail.com Wed Mar 5 06:20:06 2008 From: stonejg at hotmail.com (John Stone) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 00:20:06 -0600 Subject: putting KDE onto existing Ubuntu 7.10 Message-ID: I know. Another "newbie" question that is answered in the FAQ. I have Ubuntu 7.10 installed on a P3 750 Mhz with 512MB ram. I go to add/remove programs (this is coneptix, right?) and I searched for 'kubuntu-desktop' but the search yields nothing. I am searching for the wrong thing? Can I download KDE with a different method and download a different. Do I have to download the entire KDE page, burn the ISO and let install take over again? Suggestions? John stonejg at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 06:44:59 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:44:59 +0200 Subject: putting KDE onto existing Ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803050844.59982.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > 'kubuntu-desktop' but the search yields nothing. > I am searching for the wrong thing? 1. Open a terminal in Ubuntu (or hit ctrl + alt + f1 which should take you to a full-screen one) 2. Make sure apt is updated: sudo apt-get update 3. Then try: apt-cache search kubuntu-desktop 4. If you get no result (you should get one, by all accounts) then tell us what you see (what messages etc.) This would be a mystery! Else: 5. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop That (after a while of downloading etc.) should get KDE installed. To boot into it, you'd flip back to X (ctrl + alt + F7 or F8) and then logout of Gnome. When it comes back to the login screen, there should be a menu somewhere to let you choose the Window manager - find KDE and then proceed. hth \d From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 07:11:39 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 02:11:39 -0500 Subject: putting KDE onto existing Ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bed467e0803042311j1070be2bvbe74f6cfd42ab0ae@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:20 AM, John Stone wrote: > I go to add/remove programs (this is coneptix, right?) and I searched for > 'kubuntu-desktop' > but the search yields nothing. > > I am searching for the wrong thing? No, you are just searching in the wrong place. Kubuntu-desktop is not a program, it is a "meta-package" or a package that is a list of the many related packages that need to be installed. I am fairly certain that this is why it is not showing up. Try installing it from the command line like Donn suggested. > Can I download KDE with a different method and download a different. > Do I have to download the entire KDE page, burn the ISO and let install take > over again? No need, unless you really want to start from scratch. Just follow Donn's instructions. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Wed Mar 5 08:01:16 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:01:16 +0100 Subject: putting KDE onto existing Ubuntu 7.10 References: Message-ID: <87skz5y4z7.fsf@fjellstad.org> John Stone writes: > I have Ubuntu 7.10 installed on a P3 750 Mhz with 512MB ram. > > I go to add/remove programs (this is coneptix, right?) and I searched > for 'kubuntu-desktop' but the search yields nothing. I think you have to use the adept manager or something like that. Not sure what the add/remove programs do, but it never returns anything useful. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Mar 5 09:10:19 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:10:19 +0100 Subject: putting KDE onto existing Ubuntu 7.10 In-Reply-To: <87skz5y4z7.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <87skz5y4z7.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <1204708219.7529.1.camel@ub> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should do it or use synaptic Le mercredi 05 mars 2008 à 09:01 +0100, John L Fjellstad a écrit : > John Stone writes: > > > I have Ubuntu 7.10 installed on a P3 750 Mhz with 512MB ram. > > > > I go to add/remove programs (this is coneptix, right?) and I searched > > for 'kubuntu-desktop' but the search yields nothing. > > I think you have to use the adept manager or something like that. Not > sure what the add/remove programs do, but it never returns anything > useful. > > -- > John L. Fjellstad > web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes > > From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Mar 5 12:43:25 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:43:25 -0500 Subject: Missing Open Application buttons on Taskbar In-Reply-To: <15665178.Dy1Zk1fc8k@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <15665178.Dy1Zk1fc8k@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803050743.25724.d.mcglone@att.net> On Tuesday 04 March 2008 10:16:07 am Derek Broughton wrote: > Bill wrote: > > Missing Open Application buttons on Taskbar > > > > I recently installed the KDE 4.0.1 desktop, and I'm running it parallel > > with KDE 3. > > > > Since the install, my (4) taskbar desktop buttons have slid to the far > > left along > > with the Clock, right next to the Application launcher. I guess that’s > > OK, but I can no longer see open applications. > > > > Is anyone else having this problem? > > > > I tried to post this on the forums in hopes this might be a common > > problem. But so far, no one has responded/replied. > > At some time recently, an incomplete install broke kicker, and I ended up > having to completely rebuild my kicker panel. There's not much you can do > besides rebuild it. Just right-click on an empty part of the bar (if there > are no empty parts, right click on any drag bar and choose "panel menu"). > Then add the Taskbar Applet to the panel. Your clock etc are on the left because your task manager is missing. right click on the desktop choose "add widget" scroll down to "task manager" and drag it to your taskbar and drop it on the right side of your application launcher button. Now you should see your open windows etc, and your clock etc, etc should now go back to the right side of the screen. after this, right click on the desktop and choose "lock widgets" -- David M. From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 13:22:16 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:22:16 -0500 Subject: Graphic interface installation In-Reply-To: <233918.68824.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <233918.68824.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47CE9E88.20405@gmail.com> Tom R wrote: > The command to go to the GUI from the CLI is startx as > any user. The other option is sudo telinit 5. > However, if you haven't set up the GUI, either of > these may fail. > > Thomas A. Rood I think he needs the command to start the Control Center so that he can configure his video card. As you suggested startx won't work if the video card isn't recognized properly. Anybody know what that command is? I'm sure there are some command line users out there who know what to type in to get the Control Center. Eric Jackson > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 13:42:19 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:42:19 +0200 Subject: Graphic interface installation In-Reply-To: <47CE9E88.20405@gmail.com> References: <233918.68824.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47CE9E88.20405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803051542.19713.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Anybody know what that command is? I'm sure there are some command line > users out there who know what to type in to get the Control Center. > To get your video-card going, from the command line type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg It will ask a few questions. That should do the trick, then you'll be able to boot into KDE. Type 'startkde' to get it going the first time. \d From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 13:40:10 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:40:10 -0500 Subject: Graphic interface installation In-Reply-To: <47CE9E88.20405@gmail.com> References: <233918.68824.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47CE9E88.20405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0803050540w16226b15h968d0b23c96ab8e6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Eric wrote: > Tom R wrote: > > The command to go to the GUI from the CLI is startx as > > any user. The other option is sudo telinit 5. > > However, if you haven't set up the GUI, either of > > these may fail. > > > > Thomas A. Rood > > I think he needs the command to start the Control Center so that he can > configure his video card. As you suggested startx won't work if the > video card isn't recognized properly. > > Anybody know what that command is? I'm sure there are some command line > users out there who know what to type in to get the Control Center. > > Eric Jackson I believe "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (without the quotes) will help configure the video card. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 13:46:46 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:46:46 -0500 Subject: Graphic interface installation In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0803050540w16226b15h968d0b23c96ab8e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <233918.68824.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47CE9E88.20405@gmail.com> <9bed467e0803050540w16226b15h968d0b23c96ab8e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0803050546gb188ca2qb3f073cdfac16136@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Andrew Jarrett wrote: > I believe "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (without the quotes) will > help configure the video card. Oops! As Donn pointed out, this command must of course be run as root so: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" is the command. I'm obviously still half aslee... zzzzzzz... Sorry for any confusion, Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From gerhardusm2002 at yahoo.es Wed Mar 5 15:44:44 2008 From: gerhardusm2002 at yahoo.es (Galvanick Lucipher) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:44:44 +0100 Subject: Gutsy: closing laptop lid makes screen blink Message-ID: <200803051644.44335.gerhardusm2002@yahoo.es> Hi everybody, I sent a message some months ago about a weird ACPI(?) bug in Feisty, but found no solution. The bug is still in Hardy Alphas 4 and 5. I have reported it as Launchpad bug #173519. Below is my original description of the problem in Feisty, slightly edited for things I've discarded: > I installed Kubuntu Gutsy on my laptop, and everything has worked > flawlessly except one thing: whenever I press the lid button, the screen > doesn't blank immediately; instead, it stays on a few seconds and then > starts blinking on and off at random times, apparently whenever a thermal > zone event is sent. Sometimes, the screensaver also kicks in, even when I > switch it off from the control panel. > > I have observed the problem even when booting from the live CD before > installation. Removing the KDE screensavers does not solve the problem, nor > restarting X. I have to reboot the computer to get it working normally. Is > it possible that the problem is in the kernel's power management modules? > > Needless to say, the computer is unusable under these conditions, so I've > been forced to go back to Feisty for the moment. > > My system is a HP 6120 laptop with a 2.0 GHz Pentium-M, 512 MB RAM, > running an unmodified Kubuntu Gutsy. This is what gets written to /var/log/acpid during the blackouts in Hardy Alpha 5: *********************************************** [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] received event "thermal_zone TZ1 00000081 00000000" [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] notifying client 5398[0:0] [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] notifying client 5664[108:118] [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] completed event "thermal_zone TZ1 00000081 00000000" [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] received event "video C055 00000080 00000000" [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] notifying client 5398[0:0] [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] notifying client 5664[108:118] [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] executing action "/etc/acpi/videobtn.sh" [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] BEGIN HANDLER MESSAGES [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] END HANDLER MESSAGES [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] action exited with status 0 [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] completed event "video C055 00000080 00000000" [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] received event "button/lid C1E5 00000080 00000046" [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] notifying client 5398[0:0] [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] notifying client 5664[108:118] [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] executing action "/etc/acpi/lid.sh" [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] BEGIN HANDLER MESSAGES ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank: line 6: [: 10256: unary operator expected [Mon Mar 3 16:08:04 2008] END HANDLER MESSAGES [Mon Mar 3 16:08:04 2008] action exited with status 1 [Mon Mar 3 16:08:04 2008] completed event "button/lid C1E5 00000080 00000046" **************************** Besides, /proc/acpi/button/lid/C1E5/state shows "closed", even when the lid is open and the lid button clearly not pushed. I have compared the /etc/acpi/lid.sh in the faulty distros (Gutsy and Hardy) with the one in Feisty (which works perfectly) and both are identical, so it doesn't seem to be a script problem. However, I've compiled several kernels by hand and the exact same kernels only show this bug under the faulty Gutsy and Hardy, but not under Feisty, so it doesn't seem to be a acpi module problem either. Any suggestions? I've tried everything I know, without success. The bug is annoying enough to make the system unusable, so if I can't solve it I'll have to switch to another distro once Feisty ceases to be maintained, which would be a pity bcause other wise it works perfectly here. Thank you very much in advance, G.L. -- Your worship is your furnaces which, like old idols, lost obscenes, have molten bowels; your vision is machines for making more machines. -- Gordon Bottomley, 1874 ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y m�viles desde 1 c�ntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Thu Mar 6 02:55:46 2008 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:55:46 +0100 Subject: usb sheetfeed scanner In-Reply-To: <200803041607.59871.lists@ptfd.org> References: <200803041607.59871.lists@ptfd.org> Message-ID: <47CF5D32.9040503@bluewin.ch> To do my scanning under Kubuntu 7.04 - from automatic document feeder or flatbed - I'm using an all-in-one USB HP OfficeJet 6310 device; not particularly fast but excellent results. HTH jdh Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > I need a USB sheetfeed scanner that works with linux, along the lines of the > neatreceipts scanner. 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As others have suggested, you could try using a more recent version, or upgrade the existing to "feisty": you could change references (either manually, or via sed(1)) of 'dapper' to 'feisty' in /etc/apt/sources.list and then 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. Or just 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' to install KDE (i'd have thought it would be installed off the disk, what say dpkg ?) > Now I'm trying the server installation and will try to install > the graphical interface from within, but it would be easier to install it > one time alone… A lot of folks don't want/see the point of GUIs on servers. Were the default option be for a GUI to be installed on a server, I'd switch distros based entirely on that. > I'd also like to know if there is a way for me to install a more > recent kernel along with the installation o kubuntu or if I'd have to > install it the way it is and then install something newer? The > 2.6.15doesn't seem to have IPsec in good shape, and I'd need to learn > to use it for the application I have to develop here. Have you done a post-install upgrade? Looks like the most recent packaged version is 2.6.15.51 (http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-updates/linux) Again, newer releases have newer kernels by default. From najmularfeen at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 05:02:35 2008 From: najmularfeen at gmail.com (Najam Arfeen) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:02:35 +0500 Subject: CD Rom accessing Problem Message-ID: <3ceb9d570803052102u3a0ece51ueadc36786e72d53d@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, I have installed Kubuntu 7.10 along with dual boot with Windows. I have a problem that my linux does not recognize the CD Rom i.e. when I put any CD in it, it won't work. The same CD rom at the same time works in Windows environment. USB and other devices are properly detected and working in K ubuntu. Thanks Najam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 07:41:56 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:41:56 +0200 Subject: Printing to a Windows 2000 server shared printer Message-ID: <47CFA044.4050207@gmail.com> I got a really weird problem. For various reasons I had to downgrade a server from Windows2003 to Windows2000. In other words complete reinstall. This is now used as a workgroup server, not a domain server. On that I installed and shared a printer. I have no problems using it from XP clients and had no problems finding it in SMB4K. I also had no problems printing to it while it was on Windows 2003 (domain). But now we who are on Kubuntu can not see it in CUPS or Printer "wizard" and can not print to it in any way I can think of, like using ip address instead of servername etc. anyone have an idea I can try cause this is a major nuisance. And I can not upgrade again, an app runs on it now that works better in Win2000 than 2003. Sinclair From spwhite at freesurf.ch Fri Mar 7 16:29:14 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:29:14 +0100 Subject: Printing to a Windows 2000 server shared printer In-Reply-To: <47CFA044.4050207@gmail.com> References: <47CFA044.4050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803071729.14434.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Thursday 06 March 2008 08:41, O. Sinclair wrote: > I got a really weird problem. For various reasons I had to downgrade a > server from Windows2003 to Windows2000. In other words complete > reinstall. This is now used as a workgroup server, not a domain server. > > On that I installed and shared a printer. I have no problems using it > from XP clients and had no problems finding it in SMB4K. I also had no > problems printing to it while it was on Windows 2003 (domain). But now > we who are on Kubuntu can not see it in CUPS or Printer "wizard" and can > not print to it in any way I can think of, like using ip address instead > of servername etc. > > anyone have an idea I can try cause this is a major nuisance. And I can > not upgrade again, an app runs on it now that works better in Win2000 > than 2003. > > Sinclair Hi, I'm no expert and you may already have better knowledge/advise, but since no one elese replied, just a guess... CUPS is perhaps expecting W$ 2003 (it figured that and stored it somewhere when it was installed ?) In that case reinstalling CUPS or perhaps just deleting the right file from ~/.kde could do the trick. A quick try would be to rename ~/.kde as ~/.kde.bak and revert if it does not work. (you probably know that trick already, don't you?) You didn't specify the version of Kubuntu you tried but I would just expect that it should normally be able to use a shared printer. :o) I'm somewhat puzzled by your Printer "wizard" not doing its job, but it may not have been expecting that the same old server with same IP address changed. HTH Perry -- BOFH excuse #365: parallel processors running perpendicular today From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 00:14:36 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 02:14:36 +0200 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller Message-ID: <880dece00803071614n7bef1e46ue80dbe3d8c7ee96f@mail.gmail.com> I have noticed that Disk on Key devices slowly get smaller capacities when used with Kubuntu. I have not had the opportunity to check this with other Linux distributions. Even with "show hidden files" checked, and I delete the .Trash folder, I can lose up to 25% of a Disk on Key. I must reformat the key in Windows to get the capacity back. I never reformat in Linux because then Windows has problems with Hebrew filenames on the disk. Using the Key exclusively in Windows it does not loose capacity. I have checked this with two separate DOK devices and two SD memory cards that show the same effect. Is this a known problem? How can it be corrected? Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 01:10:05 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:10:05 -0600 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <880dece00803071614n7bef1e46ue80dbe3d8c7ee96f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00803071614n7bef1e46ue80dbe3d8c7ee96f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803071910.05230.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Friday 07 March 2008 18:14:36 Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have noticed that Disk on Key devices slowly get smaller capacities > when used with Kubuntu. I have not had the opportunity to check this > with other Linux distributions. I always have that problem eventually, even when using a key strictly for data. I think it's just the nature of the media. Anybody feel free to correct me or clarify here, but that's always been my perception. From invite at goodtree.com Sat Mar 8 03:27:59 2008 From: invite at goodtree.com (yuliakusumawati via GoodTree) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:27:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: I gave your name... 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The camera works nicely, but if I click on the 'Screen Capture' button (on the kdetv toolbar) the laptop immediately freezes and I have to power off using the on/off button on the laptop itself. Anybody else notice this? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Mar 8 06:08:50 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:08:50 +0200 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager Message-ID: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> I recently bought a Dell 1525 Inspiron laptop and am planning on setting up a wireless router at home. I would also like to be able to use 'hotspots' and wireless connections at friend's homes. I read on this list that WICD is superior to KNetworkManager. I also read an interesting article about WICD [http://www.linux.com/feature/118224] where one of the comments was that one should uninstall KNetworkManager as it conflicts with WICD. Any comments or recommendations/suggestions? TIA Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 06:07:31 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:07:31 +0200 Subject: Printing to a Windows 2000 server shared printer In-Reply-To: <200803071729.14434.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <47CFA044.4050207@gmail.com> <200803071729.14434.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <47D22D23.5080201@gmail.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Thursday 06 March 2008 08:41, O. Sinclair wrote: >> I got a really weird problem. For various reasons I had to downgrade a >> server from Windows2003 to Windows2000. In other words complete >> reinstall. This is now used as a workgroup server, not a domain server. >> >> On that I installed and shared a printer. I have no problems using it >> from XP clients and had no problems finding it in SMB4K. I also had no >> problems printing to it while it was on Windows 2003 (domain). But now >> we who are on Kubuntu can not see it in CUPS or Printer "wizard" and can >> not print to it in any way I can think of, like using ip address instead >> of servername etc. >> >> anyone have an idea I can try cause this is a major nuisance. And I can >> not upgrade again, an app runs on it now that works better in Win2000 >> than 2003. >> >> Sinclair > > Hi, > > I'm no expert and you may already have better knowledge/advise, but since no > one elese replied, just a guess... > CUPS is perhaps expecting W$ 2003 (it figured that and stored it somewhere > when it was installed ?) > In that case reinstalling CUPS or perhaps just deleting the right file from > ~/.kde could do the trick. > A quick try would be to rename ~/.kde as ~/.kde.bak and revert if it does not > work. (you probably know that trick already, don't you?) > You didn't specify the version of Kubuntu you tried but I would just expect > that it should normally be able to use a shared printer. :o) > I'm somewhat puzzled by your Printer "wizard" not doing its job, but it may > not have been expecting that the same old server with same IP address > changed. thanks for the reply. Am using Kubuntu 7.10 and even a fresh install will not see anything from the Windows 2000 server... so the problem must be either cups or something with windows 2000 rights. I have tried using ip-address as well as servername, no luck. It comes up in Smb4K (the share that is) but I can not print from that either... Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 06:14:44 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:14:44 +0200 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager In-Reply-To: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> References: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <47D22ED4.3050300@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I recently bought a Dell 1525 Inspiron laptop and am planning on setting up a wireless > router at home. I would also like to be able to use 'hotspots' and wireless connections at > friend's homes. > > I read on this list that WICD is superior to KNetworkManager. I also read an interesting > article about WICD [http://www.linux.com/feature/118224] where one of the comments was > that one should uninstall KNetworkManager as it conflicts with WICD. > > Any comments or recommendations/suggestions? > The WICD installer will normally uninstall Knetworkmanager for you as it will otherwise be problems. I prefer WICD over Knetworkmanager for many reasons, one being the ability to set up and save profiles for wired networks. Sinclair From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 07:17:51 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:17:51 +0100 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager In-Reply-To: <47D22ED4.3050300@gmail.com> References: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> <47D22ED4.3050300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204960671.6436.16.camel@ikkyu2> O. Sinclair wrote: > The WICD installer will normally uninstall Knetworkmanager for you as > it will otherwise be problems. And, of course, knetworkmanager can always be reinstalled if wicd somehow fails. > I prefer WICD over Knetworkmanager for many reasons, one being the > ability to set up and save profiles for wired networks. I'd love to be able to use wicd, but here it works only if the wireless lan is not encrypted. Does anybody know if wicd works in WPA with ndiswrapper? The driver I use is neti2220. -- lanzen From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 08:13:38 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:13:38 +0200 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <200803071910.05230.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <880dece00803071614n7bef1e46ue80dbe3d8c7ee96f@mail.gmail.com> <200803071910.05230.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803080013s444bf81er699382ffb0978786@mail.gmail.com> On 08/03/2008, p.daniels wrote: > On Friday 07 March 2008 18:14:36 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I have noticed that Disk on Key devices slowly get smaller capacities > > when used with Kubuntu. I have not had the opportunity to check this > > with other Linux distributions. > > > I always have that problem eventually, even when using a key strictly for > data. I think it's just the nature of the media. Anybody feel free to correct > me or clarify here, but that's always been my perception. > I thought that maybe parts of it were going bad, and the bad sectors were not being used, but a Windows reformat restores the space. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From davies.jpatrick at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 12:00:36 2008 From: davies.jpatrick at gmail.com (Jonathan Patrick Davies) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:00:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: Kubuntu Meeting Minutes for 08/03/08 Message-ID: Hello all, The meeting minutes for the meeting of the 8th of March (kubuntu-meeting-20080308) is now available. It can be found here: - http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/minutes/ This is a temporary location while UbuntuWire is down - the correct place would be here: - http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/ This update also contains the minutes for the two previous meetings. Next meeting is scheduled for Wednesday 19th March in #ubuntu-meeting on Freenode at 23:00 UTC. Please see the following page for updates, more information. Feel free to add your own topics for discussion and helping shape Kubuntu's future: - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings Thank you very much, -- Jonathan Kubuntu - Pure KGX http://www.kubuntu.org From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 12:51:10 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:51:10 -0500 Subject: Desktop icons are not displayed on login Message-ID: <200803080751.10945.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> This is an AMD64 box running kubuntustudio. On login I get two errors from the kde panel app: malformed url for system:/ and trash:/. I click to acknowledge and the login completes. The bottom panel strip is present but no desktop icons. From tomrood1 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 8 13:21:56 2008 From: tomrood1 at yahoo.com (Tom R) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:21:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Printing to a Windows 2000 server shared printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <387639.72740.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Sinclair wrote: > using ip-address as well as servername, no luck. It > comes up in Smb4K (the share that is) but I can not > print from that either... Sinclair, The 2.6.22 kernel has a problem in the module cifs (version 1.49) which prevents mounting more than 1 cifs share at a time. The problem appears in Ubuntu 7.10, openSUSE 10.3 and other 2.6.22 based distros. It wasn't there in earlier kernels and distros (e.g., openSUSE 10.2, Ubuntu 7.04) and has been fixed in later kernels (e.g., Kubuntu 8.04 Alphas, openSUSE 11.0 Alphas). I noticed it with Samba, but it may have affected Windows 2000 servers. It showed up when implementing the smb2 protocol (Windows 2003 servers) so it may not have affected them. If this is the problem, your printer mighr work if you umount any mounted Windows shares. Thomas A. Rood ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jvdickey at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 14:44:07 2008 From: jvdickey at gmail.com (Vic Dickey) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:44:07 -0500 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager In-Reply-To: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> References: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: With a mixed home network - wired and wireless, Linux and Vista, I have had no end of issues. WICD does seem to work better especially after uninstalling other network managers. When I discovered that I could solve most of the issues with a better router, I upgraded my WRT54G by flashing with OpenWrt . It was not only easy to accomplish but solved a major issue of needing to reboot the router up to once per day depending on how many connections are in memory. Regards, Vic On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I recently bought a Dell 1525 Inspiron laptop and am planning on setting > up a wireless > router at home. I would also like to be able to use 'hotspots' and > wireless connections at > friend's homes. > > I read on this list that WICD is superior to KNetworkManager. I also read > an interesting > article about WICD [http://www.linux.com/feature/118224] where one of the > comments was > that one should uninstall KNetworkManager as it conflicts with WICD. > > Any comments or recommendations/suggestions? > > TIA > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > OliveRoot Ministries > http://www.oliveroot.net/ > > PrayingForIsrael.net > http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Vic Dickey Home 704-843-5033 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Mar 8 16:58:20 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:58:20 +0100 Subject: Printing to a Windows 2000 server shared printer In-Reply-To: <47D22D23.5080201@gmail.com> References: <47CFA044.4050207@gmail.com> <200803071729.14434.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <47D22D23.5080201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803081758.20840.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 08 March 2008 07:07, O. Sinclair wrote: > thanks for the reply. Am using Kubuntu 7.10 and even a fresh install > will not see anything from the Windows 2000 server... so the problem > must be either cups or something with windows 2000 rights. I dont'know. Do you have kde 4 ? It may be too young to perform flawlessliy. I wonder if Edgy or Feisty would work. Perry -- BOFH excuse #320: You've been infected by the Telescoping Hubble virus From lists at amyl.org.uk Sat Mar 8 19:16:55 2008 From: lists at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:16:55 +0000 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager In-Reply-To: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> References: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <20080308191654.GB2530@tanqueray.amyl.org.uk> On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 08:08:50AM +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I recently bought a Dell 1525 Inspiron laptop and am planning on setting up a wireless > router at home. I would also like to be able to use 'hotspots' and wireless connections at > friend's homes. > > I read on this list that WICD is superior to KNetworkManager. I also read an interesting > article about WICD [http://www.linux.com/feature/118224] where one of the comments was > that one should uninstall KNetworkManager as it conflicts with WICD. > > Any comments or recommendations/suggestions? interfaces(5) and iwlist(8)? It certainly was the case that people had significant problems with those GUI things... In the end, I guess it comes down to what you prefer/what works for you. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 8 20:01:04 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:01:04 -0500 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <880dece00803080013s444bf81er699382ffb0978786@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00803071614n7bef1e46ue80dbe3d8c7ee96f@mail.gmail.com> <200803071910.05230.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00803080013s444bf81er699382ffb0978786@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803081501.04153.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 08 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I thought that maybe parts of it were going bad, and the bad sectors > were not being used, but a Windows reformat restores the space. I'll have to watch more closely. I've seen the .Trash or whatever directory eat up space when I thought I was deleting stuff, but wasn't. I don't think I've ever noticed any missing space after taking care of this issue. I would have suspected something like you did, about bad sectors. Who knows. It's very possible there's some insidious bug with vfat that causes this problem. -- D. Michael McIntyre From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Mar 8 20:16:35 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:16:35 -0500 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <200803081501.04153.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <880dece00803071614n7bef1e46ue80dbe3d8c7ee96f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00803080013s444bf81er699382ffb0978786@mail.gmail.com> <200803081501.04153.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200803081516.35296.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 08 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >On Saturday 08 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I thought that maybe parts of it were going bad, and the bad sectors >> were not being used, but a Windows reformat restores the space. > >I'll have to watch more closely. I've seen the .Trash or whatever directory >eat up space when I thought I was deleting stuff, but wasn't. I don't think >I've ever noticed any missing space after taking care of this issue. > >I would have suspected something like you did, about bad sectors. > >Who knows. It's very possible there's some insidious bug with vfat that >causes this problem. > >-- >D. Michael McIntyre There is one bug that I ran into in my camera, which is a vfat file system, and it duplicates the actual messydos bug in fact. When deleting files, ALWAYS start at the end of the directory listing. Why? Well, if you have 40 pix on the card, and you do an mv starting at the top of the list, and you clear out a full 'sector', vfat uses that as an end of directory indicator. The rest of your pix will disappear and become in-accessable, but the space is still allocated. The only fix is to take your lumps and format the card, and don't do that again. Someone suggested taking another pix, but I've only been able to make that work once, the next time the card was trashed. It was too small anyway. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Every improvement in communication makes the bore more terrible. -- Frank Moore Colby From mdhirsch at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 23:51:24 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:51:24 -0700 Subject: Problem with Frostwire under Kubuntu 7.10 (gutsy) In-Reply-To: <200803011825.52846.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> References: <200803011825.52846.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0803081551w31827c4ekde2fbc9d3d6bc490@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > I have installed Frostwire by downloading the .deb package from the Frostwire > site and running $sudo dpkg -i against it. The installation goes fine, but > when I try to run it, it fails with the attached diagnostic. Anybody able to > shed any light? Thanks. Hmm, no one has answered, so I'll give it a shot. Java crashed. It wasn't that frostwire had a coding problem, but the JVM itself has a bug. I would try grabbing the latest JVM from java.sun.com. I notice that there is a more recent version out. If that doesn't work, try one of the java 5 versions. Michael From torox003 at ttlv.net Sun Mar 9 01:08:40 2008 From: torox003 at ttlv.net (carl vanderheyden) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:08:40 -0800 Subject: wireless internet install help Message-ID: <47D33898.3050604@ttlv.net> Will somebody please tell me how to get my linksys usb model wusb54gs wireless adaptor which is connected to a wrt54g router on my window vista computer to work on my Kubunto computer? From paulatgm at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 02:12:36 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:12:36 -0500 Subject: strange konsole behavior on hardy Message-ID: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> I'm using hardy and kde 3.5.9, but this problem has been with konsole even on 3.5.8 on hardy. It seems the konsole is getting carriage returns and yes signals without any input on my part. I notice it when I go to "aptitude install/full-upgrade". The session just starts scrolling lines and does not pause for the usual yes / no dialog. Here's an example .. the blank lines are as they scrolled on the screen. It's almost as though konsole is generating it's own carriage return signal. Also, notice there's no prompt for Yes / No, like usual in doing aptitude commands. Any ideas? paul :~$ aptitude install frozen-bubble scorched3d neverball pinball Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... 50% Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Writing extended state information... Done Building tag database... Done The following packages have been automatically kept back: gnome-session gnome-settings-daemon libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common linux-libc-dev The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: fb-music-high frozen-bubble-data libsdl-console libsdl-gfx1.2-4 libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 neverdata pinball-data scorched3d-data The following packages have been kept back: fglrx-kernel-source mlocate xorg-driver-fglrx The following NEW packages will be installed: fb-music-high frozen-bubble frozen-bubble-data libsdl-console libsdl-gfx1.2-4 libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 neverball neverdata pinball pinball-data scorched3d scorched3d-data 0 packages upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. Need to get 102MB/106MB of archives. After unpacking 240MB will be used. Writing extended state information... Done Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe neverdata 1.4.0-2ubuntu3 [14.4MB] 9% [1 neverdata 9664879/14.4MB 67%] 92.3kB/s 16min36s I also was running kde 3.5.8 on gutsy, but never experienced this. From mdshaw89 at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 02:13:11 2008 From: mdshaw89 at gmail.com (Mike Shaw) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:13:11 -0500 Subject: wireless internet install help In-Reply-To: <47D33898.3050604@ttlv.net> References: <47D33898.3050604@ttlv.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:08 PM, carl vanderheyden wrote: > Will somebody please tell me how to get my linksys usb model wusb54gs > wireless adaptor which is connected to a wrt54g router on my window > vista computer to work on my Kubunto computer? > > If it is not detected then you may have to use the Windows drivers via ndiswrapper(https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper). The following seems to point to a native driver working: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/linksys-wusb54g-v4-ubuntu-7.10-602024/ Good luck, Mike -- "Zuko: (Pushing through a crowd) Out of my way! Step aside, filth! Iroh: He means no offense! I'm certain you bathe regularly..." - from chapter 15 of Avatar: The Last Airbender From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Mar 9 02:40:21 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:40:21 -0500 Subject: strange konsole behavior on hardy In-Reply-To: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> References: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803082140.21268.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 08 March 2008, Paul S wrote: > is generating it's own carriage return signal. Also, notice there's no > prompt for Yes / No, like usual in doing aptitude commands. Any ideas? I'm 99.9% sure Konsole isn't generating its own carriage returns. It's probably some config option. I remember getting prompted to pick what level of questions I wanted to answer somewhere or other. It was probably Debian, and the Ubuntu installer probably hides this question, and provides its own default answer. I'm afraid my memory of what I'm trying to recall is so vague that I can't google or grep my way into an example of just what I'm talking about. Maybe Hardy picked the "don't show me anything unless it's seriously critical" option. I remember picking that one time, and being disturbed at the lack of control, so I went back to a more noisy option, but one a notch less noisy than the option that had me answer every bleeding question. I wish I could be less vague. I really do. I know I'm definitely talking about something, but damn if I can remember exactly what it is. -- D. Michael McIntyre From nigel at rmk.co.il Sun Mar 9 06:07:43 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:07:43 +0200 Subject: strange konsole behavior on hardy In-Reply-To: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> References: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D37EAF.7000808@rmk.co.il> Paul S wrote: > I'm using hardy and kde 3.5.9, but this problem has been with konsole > even on 3.5.8 on hardy. > > It seems the konsole is getting carriage returns and yes signals without > any input on my part. I notice it when I go to "aptitude > install/full-upgrade". The session just starts scrolling lines and does > not pause for the usual yes / no dialog. Here's an example .. the blank > lines are as they scrolled on the screen. It's almost as though konsole > is generating it's own carriage return signal. Also, notice there's no > prompt for Yes / No, like usual in doing aptitude commands. Any ideas? > > paul :~$ aptitude install frozen-bubble scorched3d neverball pinball > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... 50% > > > > > > > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > Writing extended state information... Done > Building tag database... Done > The following packages have been automatically kept back: > gnome-session gnome-settings-daemon libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common > linux-libc-dev > The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: > fb-music-high frozen-bubble-data libsdl-console libsdl-gfx1.2-4 > libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl > libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 > libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 neverdata pinball-data scorched3d-data > The following packages have been kept back: > fglrx-kernel-source mlocate xorg-driver-fglrx > The following NEW packages will be installed: > fb-music-high frozen-bubble frozen-bubble-data libsdl-console > libsdl-gfx1.2-4 libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 > libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl > libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 neverball > neverdata pinball pinball-data scorched3d scorched3d-data > 0 packages upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. > Need to get 102MB/106MB of archives. After unpacking 240MB will be used. > Writing extended state information... Done > Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe neverdata > 1.4.0-2ubuntu3 [14.4MB] > 9% [1 neverdata 9664879/14.4MB 67%] > > 92.3kB/s 16min36s > > I also was running kde 3.5.8 on gutsy, but never experienced this. > > Have you thought about a 'sticky' 'Enter' key on your keyboard - it happened to me once with some other keys. Just a thought.... Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 08:22:14 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:22:14 +0200 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <200803081501.04153.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <880dece00803071614n7bef1e46ue80dbe3d8c7ee96f@mail.gmail.com> <200803071910.05230.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00803080013s444bf81er699382ffb0978786@mail.gmail.com> <200803081501.04153.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803090022g258d0670wa99fc2f35bdbfc99@mail.gmail.com> On 08/03/2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 08 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I thought that maybe parts of it were going bad, and the bad sectors > > were not being used, but a Windows reformat restores the space. > > > I'll have to watch more closely. I've seen the .Trash or whatever directory > eat up space when I thought I was deleting stuff, but wasn't. I don't think > I've ever noticed any missing space after taking care of this issue. I have removed the .Trash folder, and another hidden one that looks related, I don't remember what it was called. > I would have suspected something like you did, about bad sectors. > > Who knows. It's very possible there's some insidious bug with vfat that > causes this problem. One 1GB stick was down to 812 GB capacity when checked with Konqueror. After a format, it was back up to 996 GB. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 08:29:19 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:29:19 +0200 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <200803081516.35296.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <880dece00803071614n7bef1e46ue80dbe3d8c7ee96f@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00803080013s444bf81er699382ffb0978786@mail.gmail.com> <200803081501.04153.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200803081516.35296.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <880dece00803090029j3d843b21x46e8fdbeed66e615@mail.gmail.com> On 08/03/2008, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 08 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > >On Saturday 08 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> I thought that maybe parts of it were going bad, and the bad sectors > >> were not being used, but a Windows reformat restores the space. > > > >I'll have to watch more closely. I've seen the .Trash or whatever directory > >eat up space when I thought I was deleting stuff, but wasn't. I don't think > >I've ever noticed any missing space after taking care of this issue. > > > >I would have suspected something like you did, about bad sectors. > > > >Who knows. It's very possible there's some insidious bug with vfat that > >causes this problem. > > > >-- > >D. Michael McIntyre > > > There is one bug that I ran into in my camera, which is a vfat file system, > and it duplicates the actual messydos bug in fact. > > When deleting files, ALWAYS start at the end of the directory listing. Why? > Well, if you have 40 pix on the card, and you do an mv starting at the top of > the list, and you clear out a full 'sector', vfat uses that as an end of > directory indicator. The rest of your pix will disappear and become > in-accessable, but the space is still allocated. The only fix is to take > your lumps and format the card, and don't do that again. Someone suggested > taking another pix, but I've only been able to make that work once, the next > time the card was trashed. It was too small anyway. Interesting. Are you suggesting deleting the pics one at a time? What if the drive contains files, not chronologically identifiable pictures? How should one know in what order to delete? This sounds related to _another_ bug that I've seen with cheap flash-based mp3 players. They play the songs in the order that they were copied to the device, not the alphabetical order or anything logical like ID3 tag track order. So like you suggest, write order can affect future disk operations. Thanks for the tip. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Mar 9 08:48:34 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:48:34 -0400 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <880dece00803090029j3d843b21x46e8fdbeed66e615@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00803071614n7bef1e46ue80dbe3d8c7ee96f@mail.gmail.com> <200803081516.35296.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <880dece00803090029j3d843b21x46e8fdbeed66e615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803090448.36838.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 09 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: >On 08/03/2008, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Saturday 08 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> >On Saturday 08 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> I thought that maybe parts of it were going bad, and the bad sectors >> >> were not being used, but a Windows reformat restores the space. >> > >> >I'll have to watch more closely. I've seen the .Trash or whatever >> > directory eat up space when I thought I was deleting stuff, but wasn't. >> > I don't think I've ever noticed any missing space after taking care of >> > this issue. >> > >> >I would have suspected something like you did, about bad sectors. >> > >> >Who knows. It's very possible there's some insidious bug with vfat that >> >causes this problem. >> > >> >-- >> >D. Michael McIntyre >> >> There is one bug that I ran into in my camera, which is a vfat file >> system, and it duplicates the actual messydos bug in fact. >> >> When deleting files, ALWAYS start at the end of the directory listing. >> Why? Well, if you have 40 pix on the card, and you do an mv starting at >> the top of the list, and you clear out a full 'sector', vfat uses that as >> an end of directory indicator. The rest of your pix will disappear and >> become in-accessable, but the space is still allocated. The only fix is >> to take your lumps and format the card, and don't do that again. Someone >> suggested taking another pix, but I've only been able to make that work >> once, the next time the card was trashed. It was too small anyway. > >Interesting. Are you suggesting deleting the pics one at a time? What >if the drive contains files, not chronologically identifiable >pictures? How should one know in what order to delete? > From the bottom of the listing I believe, because I don't think vfat sorts the list before showing it to you. Of course since the camera dates the files, and they are in ascending order, maybe it is and I'm just not aware of the sort because its still the 'natural order' in this case. FWIW, I heard once many years ago, that this bug was like the cartographers dummy roads or towns, a method to identify copyright violations. To me, its interesting that Olympus would pay for, and use, a filesystem that to me is fundamentally broken. I've since tested the theory on a regular 1.44 megabyte fat formatted disk and its as real as can be. Messydos's directory format uses a sector of the disk for the directory for every 8 files on the disk. Delete the first 8 files so that that sector of the disk is marked deleted, and the rest of the disks contents disappeared. So I looked at it with a disk editor on an os9 system and found everything was still there, so I manually & half assedly undeleted a filename and the rest of the disk then showed up again on the dosbox. Messydos is not IMNSHO, a very good filesystem regardless of the size of its FAT tables. >This sounds related to _another_ bug that I've seen with cheap >flash-based mp3 players. They play the songs in the order that they >were copied to the device, not the alphabetical order or anything >logical like ID3 tag track order. So like you suggest, write order can >affect future disk operations. That is just a cheap player, without enough memory to hold a sorted filelist. >Thanks for the tip. > >Dotan Cohen > >http://what-is-what.com >http://gibberish.co.il >א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > >A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A truth that's told with bad intent Beats all the lies you can invent. -- William Blake From valtermura at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 08:52:57 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:52:57 +0100 Subject: Printing to a Windows 2000 server shared printer In-Reply-To: <387639.72740.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <387639.72740.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803090952.57919.valtermura@gmail.com> Il sabato 8 marzo 2008 14:21:56 Tom R ha scritto: > > Sinclair wrote: > > using ip-address as well as servername, no luck. It > > comes up in Smb4K (the share that is) but I can not > > print from that either... > > Sinclair, > > The 2.6.22 kernel has a problem in the module cifs > (version 1.49) which prevents mounting more than 1 > cifs share at a time. The problem appears in Ubuntu > 7.10, openSUSE 10.3 and other 2.6.22 based distros. > It wasn't there in earlier kernels and distros (e.g., > openSUSE 10.2, Ubuntu 7.04) and has been fixed in > later kernels (e.g., Kubuntu 8.04 Alphas, openSUSE > 11.0 Alphas). I noticed it with Samba, but it may > have affected Windows 2000 servers. It showed up when > implementing the smb2 protocol (Windows 2003 servers) > so it may not have affected them. If this is the > problem, your printer mighr work if you umount any > mounted Windows shares. This could be the solution to my problem with the 2.6.22 kernel on my system? I cannot run this kernel, while I can run 2.6.20 without problem (I mean on a desktop) -- Valter Gnupgp ID: 0xD7274715 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From T.Six at gmx.de Sun Mar 9 10:48:48 2008 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:48:48 +0100 Subject: strange konsole behavior on hardy In-Reply-To: <200803082140.21268.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> <200803082140.21268.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: D. Michael McIntyre wrote the following on 09.03.2008 03:40 > I wish I could be less vague. I really do. I know I'm definitely talking > about something, but damn if I can remember exactly what it is. $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf -- bye Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sun Mar 9 11:17:34 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:17:34 +0000 Subject: Problem with Frostwire under Kubuntu 7.10 (gutsy) In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0803081551w31827c4ekde2fbc9d3d6bc490@mail.gmail.com> References: <200803011825.52846.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <9c2aabaf0803081551w31827c4ekde2fbc9d3d6bc490@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080309111734.442268f6@graham-desktop> On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:51:24 -0700 "Michael Hirsch" wrote: > Hmm, no one has answered, so I'll give it a shot. Java crashed. It > wasn't that frostwire had a coding problem, but the JVM itself has a > bug. > > I would try grabbing the latest JVM from java.sun.com. I notice that > there is a more recent version out. If that doesn't work, try one of > the java 5 versions. Thats one thing to look for, but Frostwire is in my repositories and installs fine through Adept/Synaptic. If you get any problems, try adding the Medibuntu repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list: ## Medibuntu. deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free -- Graham Todd From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sun Mar 9 13:08:56 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:08:56 +0100 Subject: undelete a folder ? In-Reply-To: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803091408.56560.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Monday 03 March 2008 06:13, Richard wrote: > I need to recovery a folder off my backup usb drive vfat 32 > is there a application for doing this??, or a linux command ?? In case you didn't read it, there is some related stuff in the thread "Disk on Key slowly getting smaller". Today Gene Heskett wrote (experimenting with a 1.44 Mb diskette): (snip) > Messydos's directory > format uses a sector of the disk for the directory for every 8 files on the > disk. Delete the first 8 files so that that sector of the disk is marked > deleted, and the rest of the disks contents disappeared. So I looked at it > with a disk editor on an os9 system and found everything was still there, so > I manually & half assedly undeleted a filename and the rest of the disk then > showed up again on the dosbox. You may also want to read previous messages in that thread. Perry -- BOFH excuse #73: Daemons did it From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 14:54:32 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:54:32 +0100 Subject: undelete a folder ? In-Reply-To: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/3, Richard : > I need to recovery a folder off my backup usb drive vfat 32 > is there a application for doing this??, or a linux command ?? > > Thanks in Advance > Richard > A quick google pointet me to this thread: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2006/05/msg00001.html With a some nice info and two programs worth checking out http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec and http://foremost.sourceforge.net/ /Jonas From seakat at orange.fr Sun Mar 9 14:58:21 2008 From: seakat at orange.fr (Seakat) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:58:21 +0100 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller Message-ID: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> Subject: Re: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller From: Gene Heskett Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:48:34 -0400 To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions On Sunday 09 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >On 08/03/2008, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> >> On Saturday 08 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> >> >On Saturday 08 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> >> I thought that maybe parts of it were going bad, and the bad sectors >> >> >> were not being used, but a Windows reformat restores the space. >> >> > >> >> >I'll have to watch more closely. I've seen the .Trash or whatever >> >> > directory eat up space when I thought I was deleting stuff, but wasn't. >> >> > I don't think I've ever noticed any missing space after taking care of >> >> > this issue. >> >> > >> >> >I would have suspected something like you did, about bad sectors. >> >> > >> >> >Who knows. It's very possible there's some insidious bug with vfat that >> >> >causes this problem. >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> >D. Michael McIntyre >> >> >> >> There is one bug that I ran into in my camera, which is a vfat file >> >> system, and it duplicates the actual messydos bug in fact. >> >> >> >> When deleting files, ALWAYS start at the end of the directory listing. >> >> Why? Well, if you have 40 pix on the card, and you do an mv starting at >> >> the top of the list, and you clear out a full 'sector', vfat uses that as >> >> an end of directory indicator. The rest of your pix will disappear and >> >> become in-accessable, but the space is still allocated. The only fix is >> >> to take your lumps and format the card, and don't do that again. Someone >> >> suggested taking another pix, but I've only been able to make that work >> >> once, the next time the card was trashed. It was too small anyway. >> > > > >Interesting. Are you suggesting deleting the pics one at a time? What > >if the drive contains files, not chronologically identifiable > >pictures? How should one know in what order to delete? > > > >From the bottom of the listing I believe, because I don't think vfat sorts the list before showing it to you. Of course since the camera dates the files, and they are in ascending order, maybe it is and I'm just not aware of the sort because its still the 'natural order' in this case. FWIW, I heard once many years ago, that this bug was like the cartographers dummy roads or towns, a method to identify copyright violations. To me, its interesting that Olympus would pay for, and use, a filesystem that to me is fundamentally broken. I've since tested the theory on a regular 1.44 megabyte fat formatted disk and its as real as can be. Messydos's directory format uses a sector of the disk for the directory for every 8 files on the disk. Delete the first 8 files so that that sector of the disk is marked deleted, and the rest of the disks contents disappeared. So I looked at it with a disk editor on an os9 system and found everything was still there, so I manually & half assedly undeleted a filename and the rest of the disk then showed up again on the dosbox. Messydos is not IMNSHO, a very good filesystem regardless of the size of its FAT tables. > >This sounds related to _another_ bug that I've seen with cheap > >flash-based mp3 players. They play the songs in the order that they > >were copied to the device, not the alphabetical order or anything > >logical like ID3 tag track order. So like you suggest, write order can > >affect future disk operations. > That is just a cheap player, without enough memory to hold a sorted filelist. Gene and other Kubuntu'ers The only good reason for using a FAT partition with Linux is that you sometimes use Windows, right (or perhaps your camera gives you no choice)? So for anyone who has lost data on a FAT or other Windows partition (like me!), there is a good free Windows application for undeleting files, called Handy Recovery http://www.handyrecovery.com/ . As soon as you notice the problem, try very hard to avoid writing anything to the partition until you've run the application. Cheers, seakat -- From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 15:20:34 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:20:34 +0100 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> Message-ID: 2008/3/9, Seakat : > Gene and other Kubuntu'ers > The only good reason for using a FAT partition with Linux is that you sometimes use Windows, right (or perhaps your camera gives you no choice)? > So for anyone who has lost data on a FAT or other Windows partition (like me!), there is a good free Windows application for undeleting files, called Handy Recovery http://www.handyrecovery.com/ . As soon as you notice the problem, try very hard to avoid writing anything to the partition until you've run the application. > > Cheers, seakat > Remember this is a linux mail list and people running linux and we are not used to pay for our software. Handy Recovery is not what i call a free software.The trial version can recover one file per day and that is not a option if you have some 100+ files on your camera flash card. /Jonas From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 15:46:43 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:46:43 +0200 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> Message-ID: <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> On 09/03/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/3/9, Seakat : > > > Gene and other Kubuntu'ers > > The only good reason for using a FAT partition with Linux is that you sometimes use Windows, right (or perhaps your camera gives you no choice)? > > So for anyone who has lost data on a FAT or other Windows partition (like me!), there is a good free Windows application for undeleting files, called Handy Recovery http://www.handyrecovery.com/ . As soon as you notice the problem, try very hard to avoid writing anything to the partition until you've run the application. > > > > Cheers, seakat > > > > > Remember this is a linux mail list and people running linux and we are not > used to pay for our software. > Handy Recovery is not what i call a free software.The trial version can recover > one file per day and that is not a option if you have some 100+ files on your > camera flash card. Not true. I am a Linux user, and I have absolutely no problem paying for software. I payed for Opera when it cost money, and I'll pay for Photoshop the day it becomes available. I'll probably pay for quicken as well. It's FUD like you mention that prevents businesses from porting software to Linux, in fact, that's the reason that they write software for Windows in the first place. If your ideals or your wallet dictate that you will only use FOSS software, that's fine. But don't think that you represent everybody, because you don't, and you hurt the community by trying to represent the community in a way that it does not want to be represented. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Mar 9 15:48:33 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:48:33 -0400 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> Message-ID: <200803091148.33190.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 09 March 2008, Seakat wrote: [...] > >Gene and other Kubuntu'ers >The only good reason for using a FAT partition with Linux is that you > sometimes use Windows, right (or perhaps your camera gives you no choice)? > So for anyone who has lost data on a FAT or other Windows partition (like > me!), there is a good free Windows application for undeleting files, called > Handy Recovery http://www.handyrecovery.com/ . As soon as you notice the > problem, try very hard to avoid writing anything to the partition until > you've run the application. Which for winderz users, might be ok. The camera's filesystem is the makers choice, not mine. And I only have 1 windows install, I left XP 20gb in case I ever got around to using XP on my lappy, but so far I've not been forced to do so. Everything I've wanted to do, I've generally been able to do with linux. And, some filesystems I know enough about that I can go walking around in their playpen with a hex based editor as long as access to the complete device is available. Since I was familiar with that mode in os-9, that was the toolset I used. At the disk image level, many of the simpler filesystems begin to resemble each other, hence my comment about the half-assed undelete I did. That file was in fact not made readable other than its entry in the directory, but its presence in that sector as a supposedly valid filename did enable the rest of the directory to be scanned and shown to the user. >Cheers, seakat >-- -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You'll be sorry... From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 9 16:53:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:53:27 -0300 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1962956.zE4T27y3zr@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 09/03/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: >> 2008/3/9, Seakat : >> >> > Gene and other Kubuntu'ers >> > The only good reason for using a FAT partition with Linux is that you >> > sometimes use Windows, right (or perhaps your camera gives you no >> > choice)? So for anyone who has lost data on a FAT or other Windows >> > partition (like me!), there is a good free Windows application for >> > undeleting files, called Handy Recovery http://www.handyrecovery.com/ >> > . As soon as you notice the problem, try very hard to avoid writing >> > anything to the partition until you've run the application. >> > >> > Cheers, seakat >> > >> >> >> Remember this is a linux mail list and people running linux and we are >> not >> used to pay for our software. >> Handy Recovery is not what i call a free software.The trial version can >> recover one file per day and that is not a option if you have some 100+ >> files on your camera flash card. > > Not true. I am a Linux user, and I have absolutely no problem paying > for software. I payed for Opera when it cost money, and I'll pay for > Photoshop the day it becomes available. I'll probably pay for quicken > as well. You are, however, a pretty unusual user. > It's FUD like you mention that prevents businesses from porting > software to Linux, No, that's not FUD. Individual linux users almost never pay for software, and businesses that _do_ depend on Linux never expect to make their profit from selling the software itself. We _can't_ depend on that, because so much of our own code base is Free software, so we look to other revenue streams. Corporations might pay for Linux software, but they're the problem in getting software ported to Linux - because they worry about service, which is oddly the part that _can_ be profitable in the Linux world. > But don't think > that you represent everybody, because you don't, and you hurt the > community by trying to represent the community in a way that it does > not want to be represented. He certainly does represent the majority. -- derek From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 17:05:06 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:05:06 +0100 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/9, Dotan Cohen : > On 09/03/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: > > 2008/3/9, Seakat : > > > > > Gene and other Kubuntu'ers > > > The only good reason for using a FAT partition with Linux is that you sometimes use Windows, right (or perhaps your camera gives you no choice)? > > > So for anyone who has lost data on a FAT or other Windows partition (like me!), there is a good free Windows application for undeleting files, called Handy Recovery http://www.handyrecovery.com/ . As soon as you notice the problem, try very hard to avoid writing anything to the partition until you've run the application. > > > > > > Cheers, seakat > > > > > > > > > Remember this is a linux mail list and people running linux and we are not > > used to pay for our software. > > Handy Recovery is not what i call a free software.The trial version can recover > > one file per day and that is not a option if you have some 100+ files on your > > camera flash card. > > > Not true. I am a Linux user, and I have absolutely no problem paying > for software. I payed for Opera when it cost money, and I'll pay for > Photoshop the day it becomes available. I'll probably pay for quicken > as well. > > It's FUD like you mention that prevents businesses from porting > software to Linux, in fact, that's the reason that they write software > for Windows in the first place. If your ideals or your wallet dictate > that you will only use FOSS software, that's fine. But don't think > that you represent everybody, because you don't, and you hurt the > community by trying to represent the community in a way that it does > not want to be represented. > > > Dotan Cohen > I don't really see the point with your response on my response. All i say is that probably the majority on this list don't use Windows and probably don't want to pay $40 when there is other good software that you can run for free without restrictions so for most people here Handy recovery is not the best tool for the job. I don't say it's not a good software or that i speak for everybody on the list. With your response it looks like you think that i think linux can't have commercial software and i think that FOSS is the golden and only path, well i don't. You must have read something between the line that i don't ment. /Jonas From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Mar 9 17:33:15 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:33:15 -0500 Subject: strange konsole behavior on hardy In-Reply-To: References: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> <200803082140.21268.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200803091333.15946.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 09 March 2008, Thilo Six wrote: > > I wish I could be less vague. I really do. I know I'm definitely > > talking about something, but damn if I can remember exactly what it is. > > $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf ARGH! I tried aptitude and apt, but not debconf. Thank you. -- D. Michael McIntyre From cilazma at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 18:21:12 2008 From: cilazma at gmail.com (mehmet Dilmac) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:21:12 +0200 Subject: undelete a folder ? In-Reply-To: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200803030013.13405.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4911ff840803091121n65d01c81nbaeb98d8f495e6b2@mail.gmail.com> apt-get install magicrescue and only ext2 fs to "recover" goog luck -- ____________ Mehmet Dilmac ___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cilazma at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 18:24:54 2008 From: cilazma at gmail.com (mehmet Dilmac) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:24:54 +0200 Subject: Desktop icons are not displayed on login In-Reply-To: <200803080751.10945.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> References: <200803080751.10945.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4911ff840803091124w1377566bsf7cc659909f13d7b@mail.gmail.com> apt-get install rcconf run shel "rcconf" end select strart aplication goog luck 2008/3/8, Jesus Arocho : > > This is an AMD64 box running kubuntustudio. On login I get two errors > from > the kde panel app: malformed url for system:/ and trash:/. I click to > acknowledge and the login completes. The bottom panel strip is present > but > no desktop icons. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- ____________ Mehmet Dilmac ___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cilazma at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 18:30:32 2008 From: cilazma at gmail.com (mehmet Dilmac) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:30:32 +0200 Subject: CD Rom accessing Problem In-Reply-To: <3ceb9d570803052102u3a0ece51ueadc36786e72d53d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ceb9d570803052102u3a0ece51ueadc36786e72d53d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4911ff840803091130ja179b68k82277244195e7a4@mail.gmail.com> hii "nano /etc/fstab" see to your fs sistem end mount sistem write to "rw user end more "mount -all" 2008/3/6, Najam Arfeen : > > Hi everyone, > > I have installed Kubuntu 7.10 along with dual boot with Windows. I have a > problem that my linux does not recognize the CD Rom i.e. when I put any CD > in it, it won't work. The same CD rom at the same time works in Windows > environment. USB and other devices are properly detected and working in K > ubuntu. > > Thanks > Najam > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- ____________ Mehmet Dilmac ___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sinclair : > > When I do a save as or download save or something in KDE 3.5.9 I have > these nice new folders to choose from in the left panel "download" > "music" "pictures" and so on. > > Where can I define where these reside as I already have folders for this > and not always want to use the corresponding folders in Home. > > Sinclair > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- ____________ Mehmet Dilmac ___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cilazma at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 18:47:39 2008 From: cilazma at gmail.com (mehmet Dilmac) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:47:39 +0200 Subject: medibuntu for Hardy ? In-Reply-To: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> References: <47C9AAF6.7020702@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <4911ff840803091147t4bbaffa3t8c398b576ab79ac4@mail.gmail.com> hii open shell end run "apt-cache search w32 codec 2008/3/1, Nigel Ridley : > > I recently installed Hardy Alpha 5 on my new Dell 1525 laptop and can't > find anything > about Hardy on the medibuntu website. > > Where does one get stuff like w32codecs etc.? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > OliveRoot Ministries > http://www.oliveroot.net/ > > PrayingForIsrael.net > http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- ____________ Mehmet Dilmac ___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cilazma at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 18:52:00 2008 From: cilazma at gmail.com (mehmet Dilmac) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:52:00 +0200 Subject: How to 'root-access' and delete a 'locked folder' at the desktop? In-Reply-To: <47C9217F.7040901@gmail.com> References: <47C9217F.7040901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4911ff840803091152i8b775afmfec7fd515f0f686f@mail.gmail.com> hii open shell run to "sudo -s" weryfy u pass end give to root accs end root file "passwd" change your root pass ress pc opent recovery 1 user mod give to root pass end run to "startx" 2008/3/1, Bas Roufs : > > Dear everybody > > About one month ago, I downloaded 'hplip-2.7.12': a Linux driver for my > HP 930C printer. I managed to install and to properly start using it. My > printer works quite smoothly ever since that moment. However, one little > but nasty problem still remains: I simply do not manage to remove the > original download folder ''hplip-2.7.12' from my desktop. Whenever and > however trying to remove that folder, I get the message that I do not > have 'access rights to this location'. Attempts to simply MOVE away > that folder from the desktop to any other part of the hard disk always > end up in the same non-result :-) When looking at the folder properties > via Konqueror or Dolphin, it becomes clear that it is a 'locked folder': > the user is 'root' and the group is also 'root'. Under the heading > 'access permissions' I see that only the owner can 'change permissions'. > So, I tried a few logical steps to fix the problem. I switched to root > status in four ways in order to clarify my owner status: > * ALT F2 > kdesu konqueror > * ALT F2 > kdesu dolphin > * Terminal session > root shell. > * Terminal session > root shell midnight commander. > However, none of these four ways delivered me a possibility to > 'root-access' desktop in order to remove or at least move to elsewhere > the hplip download folder, away from the desktop. > > Is anybody able to deliver any clue to fix this little nasty problem :-)? > > Thanks for any reply. Respectfully Yours, > > Bas. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- ____________ Mehmet Dilmac ___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 18:53:46 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:53:46 +0200 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <1962956.zE4T27y3zr@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> <1962956.zE4T27y3zr@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> On 09/03/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Not true. I am a Linux user, and I have absolutely no problem paying > > for software. I payed for Opera when it cost money, and I'll pay for > > Photoshop the day it becomes available. I'll probably pay for quicken > > as well. > > You are, however, a pretty unusual user. That I won't dispute. > > It's FUD like you mention that prevents businesses from porting > > software to Linux, > > No, that's not FUD. Individual linux users almost never pay for software, > and businesses that _do_ depend on Linux never expect to make their profit > from selling the software itself. We _can't_ depend on that, because so > much of our own code base is Free software, so we look to other revenue > streams. Corporations might pay for Linux software, but they're the > problem in getting software ported to Linux - because they worry about > service, which is oddly the part that _can_ be profitable in the Linux > world. While I do agree that it seems sensible that many Linux users do not pay for software, declaring that _most_ Linux users do not pay for software is "slashdot comments" research: an educated guess. It sounds good, but have you checked? Companies like Google, NASA and Disney pay quite a lot for Linux software. > > But don't think > > that you represent everybody, because you don't, and you hurt the > > community by trying to represent the community in a way that it does > > not want to be represented. > > He certainly does represent the majority. Is the reason that people use Linux because the software is free, or because they like a secure, stable OS that just so happens is easy to use and looks good too? The fact that the software is free is just a nice bonus. I happen to donate money to FOSS projects that I like, in fact just yesterday I donated to the author of a Thunderbird extension that makes my life easier. Now, I understand that I am in the minority here, but I'm certain that were Ubuntu the same price as Windows, most of the people who enjoy it today would happily pay for it. Yes, that's an educated guess, so I'd like to hear from users who would NOT use Linux, were it the same price as Windows. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Mar 9 19:00:13 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:00:13 -0400 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> <1962956.zE4T27y3zr@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D433BD.5030506@mike-leone.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > > >>> It's FUD like you mention that prevents businesses from porting >>> software to Linux, >> No, that's not FUD. Individual linux users almost never pay for software, >> and businesses that _do_ depend on Linux never expect to make their profit >> from selling the software itself. We _can't_ depend on that, because so >> much of our own code base is Free software, so we look to other revenue >> streams. Corporations might pay for Linux software, but they're the >> problem in getting software ported to Linux - because they worry about >> service, which is oddly the part that _can_ be profitable in the Linux >> world. > > While I do agree that it seems sensible that many Linux users do not > pay for software, declaring that _most_ Linux users do not pay for > software is "slashdot comments" research: an educated guess. It sounds > good, but have you checked? Companies like Google, NASA and Disney pay > quite a lot for Linux software. Quite probably they do. But most users of Linux are not employees of those firms. The majority of Linux users are home or personal users. And as my own educated guess, those folks don't usually pay money for their software. > Is the reason that people use Linux because the software is free, or > because they like a secure, stable OS that just so happens is easy to > use and looks good too? The fact that the software is free is just a > nice bonus. I think you may find that this you overestimate the appeal of of no cost (in monetary terms) software. It's certainly not the only or even most compelling reason, but it's not a "oh, and btw, the software doesn't cost money, either". From pandarsson at yahoo.com Sun Mar 9 19:28:02 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:28:02 -0500 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <47D433BD.5030506@mike-leone.com> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> <47D433BD.5030506@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <200803091428.03584.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Sunday 09 March 2008 2:00:13 Michael Leone wrote: > > Is the reason that people use Linux because the software is free, or > > because they like a secure, stable OS that just so happens is easy to > > use and looks good too? The fact that the software is free is just a > > nice bonus. > > I think you may find that this you overestimate the appeal of of no cost > (in monetary terms) software. It's certainly not the only or even most > compelling reason, but it's not a "oh, and btw, the software doesn't > cost money, either". I really hope this tangent doesn't go on forever, but I can't help but want to say a little something. Free software may not be a secondary concern and it could be the main attraction for some people - and it certainly has its crusaders. But a lot of us who might be considered geeks to some degree who are using Linux are getting friends and family members to use it, as well. My 73 year old father, for instance, wouldn't know what to do with a Windows system if someone put one in front of him. He uses sql-ledger for his business. One of the big selling points on it is that it's free, however, he was all too willing to pay for the support when we came across a problem with no obvious solution. Of course, being a businessman, he can respect someone wanting to make money on what they do. I myself, being something of a writer, was very happy to pay for Writer's Cafe when I found it. And most people, regardless of what OS they use, are generally willing to pay when they need something that doesn't have a free equivalent. Since more "average" users are getting used to *nix operating systems, it's pretty safe to assume that these are generally going to be the people who won't mind paying when necessary. That said, if it only works on Windows, I'll wait for a port or equivalent - as long as it's not necessary for university work. From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 9 19:39:23 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:39:23 -0300 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> <1962956.zE4T27y3zr@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5122454.aBGPmLgz0h@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > While I do agree that it seems sensible that many Linux users do not > pay for software, declaring that _most_ Linux users do not pay for > software is "slashdot comments" research: an educated guess. It sounds > good, but have you checked? Companies like Google, NASA and Disney pay > quite a lot for Linux software. But, they are not "most users". It's entirely possible that many users in a few companies are paying a great deal of money for Linux software, but the largest _number_ of users are people like us (the subscribers to this list) - and we don't buy software in significant quantities. > Is the reason that people use Linux because the software is free, or > because they like a secure, stable OS that just so happens is easy to I think very much that the reason most individual users get Linux is because it's free. They might stay because it's secure, stable or Free, but they wouldn't try it in the first place if they hadn't got it for nothing. I hesitate to suggest that any of us use it because it's stable. Certainly not me. If I can't push my OS to the breaking point, it isn't any fun :-) > I'm certain that were Ubuntu the same price as Windows, most > of the people who enjoy it today would happily pay for it. Sure, those of us "who enjoy it today" - but we wouldn't have tried it if we'd had to buy it the first time. After all, I didn't buy Windows the first time I tried it either (no, it wasn't _quite_ pirated - I found a copy in the garbage at work - license and disk intact - too bad I hadn't left it there!) -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 20:46:03 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:46:03 +0200 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <5122454.aBGPmLgz0h@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> <1962956.zE4T27y3zr@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> <5122454.aBGPmLgz0h@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803091346l2a72265u1bec460b7ab3fb2a@mail.gmail.com> On 09/03/2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > While I do agree that it seems sensible that many Linux users do not > > pay for software, declaring that _most_ Linux users do not pay for > > software is "slashdot comments" research: an educated guess. It sounds > > good, but have you checked? Companies like Google, NASA and Disney pay > > quite a lot for Linux software. > > > But, they are not "most users". It's entirely possible that many users in a > few companies are paying a great deal of money for Linux software, but the > largest _number_ of users are people like us (the subscribers to this > list) - and we don't buy software in significant quantities. I think it's time to head over to "ask /.". :) > > Is the reason that people use Linux because the software is free, or > > because they like a secure, stable OS that just so happens is easy to > > > I think very much that the reason most individual users get Linux is because > it's free. They might stay because it's secure, stable or Free, but they > wouldn't try it in the first place if they hadn't got it for nothing. That is a good point. The initial exposure must be free. > I hesitate to suggest that any of us use it because it's stable. Certainly > not me. If I can't push my OS to the breaking point, it isn't any fun :-) I actually find Debian to be the most stable OS I've tried since the Commodore 128. I currently use Ubuntu because it's not that much less stable than Debian (debian based), but is far easier to maintain with newer software. There are other reasons, but stability is a big part of it. > > I'm certain that were Ubuntu the same price as Windows, most > > of the people who enjoy it today would happily pay for it. > > > Sure, those of us "who enjoy it today" - but we wouldn't have tried it if > we'd had to buy it the first time. After all, I didn't buy Windows the > first time I tried it either (no, it wasn't _quite_ pirated - I found a > copy in the garbage at work - license and disk intact - too bad I hadn't > left it there!) Point well understood. I agree that I might not have tried Linux should I have had to pay for it in the beginning. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 21:57:27 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:57:27 +0100 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <880dece00803091346l2a72265u1bec460b7ab3fb2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> <1962956.zE4T27y3zr@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> <5122454.aBGPmLgz0h@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00803091346l2a72265u1bec460b7ab3fb2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > That is a good point. The initial exposure must be free. > > > > I hesitate to suggest that any of us use it because it's stable. Certainly > > not me. If I can't push my OS to the breaking point, it isn't any fun :-) > > I actually find Debian to be the most stable OS I've tried since the > Commodore 128. I currently use Ubuntu because it's not that much less > stable than Debian (debian based), but is far easier to maintain with > newer software. There are other reasons, but stability is a big part > of it. > > Point well understood. I agree that I might not have tried Linux > should I have had to pay for it in the beginning. > > Dotan Cohen The reason I tried Linux was because Windows of the time was so unstable! I would never had tried Linux if Window's Blue Screen of Death had not been popping up almost every day and on the days that did not get me the slow downs, viruses, ads, and rebooting every time I updated something, did get me. Linux was free AND all the software with it was free. It was also more stable than MS. One other really important thing was that when Linux broke or did not work, I could find a way to fix it. With Windows you have no way to change it or fix it; you must wait and hope that MS fixes it. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Mar 9 22:13:57 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:13:57 -0500 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803091346l2a72265u1bec460b7ab3fb2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803091813.58068.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 09 March 2008, Knapp wrote: > The reason I tried Linux was because Windows of the time was so > unstable! I would never had tried Linux if Window's Blue Screen of > Death had not been popping up almost every day.... I tried it because I was ranting at some friends who were Linux users, and one of them said I could continue ranting after I had looked at it for myself. I was running 100% Linux within a month after or something. Linux (Mandrake 8.1 in that case) seemed a lot more stable than Windows of the day for sure, but that wasn't the whole story. I guess it just rekindled my old DOS hacker spirit. Windows is pretty boring, because you're so limited in how you can tweak things (especially without paying money for little addons.) Unstable, though, it's harder to argue that when comparing against Windows XP SP2. I've never seen a BSOD on Windows XP of any vintage, and it has generally been stable enough to do the job when maintained correctly. I just hate using it, because the look and feel are so childish and bland in comparison with KDE. I feel the same about GNOME, which seems to my eye to have copied so many of the worst things about Windows that I can't understand why people are always saying KDE is the more Windows-like of the two big competing Linux desktops. Windows with KDE might be tolerable enough. Windows without KDE is tolerable enough these days that I might not have wound up here if I hadn't come right when I did. It's hard to say. The big thing working in favor of Kubuntu and friends now is that I hate change, and I'm comfortable with this stuff. I barely know my way around a Windows system anymore. Plus it's all free, as in gratis, and that never hurts. Unless you count the ocean of time I've spent working on and around Rosegarden anyway. -- D. Michael McIntyre From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 22:50:32 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:50:32 +0200 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <200803091813.58068.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803091346l2a72265u1bec460b7ab3fb2a@mail.gmail.com> <200803091813.58068.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803091550g5cf85215j4a9cc352540e8653@mail.gmail.com> On 10/03/2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 09 March 2008, Knapp wrote: > > The reason I tried Linux was because Windows of the time was so > > unstable! I would never had tried Linux if Window's Blue Screen of > > > Death had not been popping up almost every day.... > > I tried it because I was ranting at some friends who were Linux users, and one > of them said I could continue ranting after I had looked at it for myself. I > was running 100% Linux within a month after or something. Sounds a lot like this guy: http://www.linux.com/feature/59775 :) > Linux (Mandrake 8.1 in that case) seemed a lot more stable than Windows of the > day for sure, but that wasn't the whole story. I guess it just rekindled my > old DOS hacker spirit. Windows is pretty boring, because you're so limited > in how you can tweak things (especially without paying money for little > addons.) > > Unstable, though, it's harder to argue that when comparing against Windows XP > SP2. I've never seen a BSOD on Windows XP of any vintage, and it has > generally been stable enough to do the job when maintained correctly. While I agree that SP2 is relatively stable, it has crashed on me quite a bit. The windows machines in my university audio/visual lab are all XP Pro SP2, and one cannot walk from one end of the lab to the other without seeing a BSOD. And all that's run on those locked down machines is IE6 and Windows Media Player. I don't know why they are so unstable, but I cannot get through a day on them without a crash. Nothing reproducable either. Just a lot of crashes. On Compaq hardware, not slapped-together systems. I must also say that SP2 is a resource hog. 512 MB RAM is a must. I credit SP2 with bringing down the price of RAM, which until 2003 was forbiddingly expensive where I live. > I just hate using it, because the look and feel are so childish and bland in > comparison with KDE. I feel the same about GNOME, which seems to my eye to > have copied so many of the worst things about Windows that I can't understand > why people are always saying KDE is the more Windows-like of the two big > competing Linux desktops. Actually, I find both Windows and Gnome to be rather polished, with the exception of the default Windows colour scheme. I could live with Gnome, but there are a few KDE apps (Digikam, Kate, Konqueror) that I find amazingly efficient. And I love the wordy (how to say properly?) clock in KDE. > Windows with KDE might be tolerable enough. Windows without KDE is tolerable > enough these days that I might not have wound up here if I hadn't come right > when I did. It's hard to say. The big thing working in favor of Kubuntu and > friends now is that I hate change, and I'm comfortable with this stuff. I > barely know my way around a Windows system anymore. > > Plus it's all free, as in gratis, and that never hurts. > > Unless you count the ocean of time I've spent working on and around Rosegarden > anyway. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From joelol75 at verizon.net Sun Mar 9 23:45:27 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:45:27 -0400 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager In-Reply-To: <1204960671.6436.16.camel@ikkyu2> References: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> <47D22ED4.3050300@gmail.com> <1204960671.6436.16.camel@ikkyu2> Message-ID: <47D47697.6060606@verizon.net> lanzen wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > > >> The WICD installer will normally uninstall Knetworkmanager for you as >> it will otherwise be problems. >> > > And, of course, knetworkmanager can always be reinstalled if wicd > somehow fails. > > >> I prefer WICD over Knetworkmanager for many reasons, one being the >> ability to set up and save profiles for wired networks. >> > > I'd love to be able to use wicd, but here it works only if the wireless > lan is not encrypted. Does anybody know if wicd works in WPA with > ndiswrapper? The driver I use is neti2220. > > > I've had great results with wicd. Everything worked fine in network manager, but I wanted to try out wicd. The all architecture .deb package on sourceforge, but they also have a repository for ubuntu. Just add to /etc/apt/sources.list, substitute gutsy with dapper, edgy, fiesty, hardy, or debian if need be. |deb http://apt.wicd.net gutsy extras | And, as a good Idea (If somehow it breaks your setup and you want to use network manager again) make sure to download the network manager and kubuntu or ubuntu frontend packages so you can reinstall them if you need to (Can't download them later) or you can see if you already have them in /var/cache/apt/archives It conflicts with network manager so it needs to be removed (Along with gtk+ and kde front-ends) and like network manager make sure the loopback device is the only thing listed in /etc/network/interfaces The all architecture .deb file I used installed everything into /opt so for gnome goto sessions and add /opt/tray.py to the list of autostart programs and kde add this script to ~/.kde/Autostart and name it something like wicdstart.sh #!/bin/bash # Autostart Wicd tray applet for KDE sleep 15 && /opt/wicd/tray.py Make sure the path is correct for wicd (The repos may install into /usr and the svn compiled version may install into /usr/local or something) and also make this script executable: chmod a+x ~/.kde/Autostart/wicdstart.sh I have not had any problems with encrypted connections. You must ensure the wpasupplicant is installed of course and make sure the correct driver is selected in wicd's preferences My intel chipset uses the wext driver I used it both with Gutsy's ipw3945 driver and Hardys iwl3945 with no problems at all. In the hardy kernel (iwl3945) the naming was incorrect and needed some tweaking in the persistant net rules file and the indicator light on my laptop doesn't work with the iwl3945 driver but these are known bugs and have to be done with network manager as well, so if network manager isn't set up/working right you must set this stuff up first as this is "under" that layer. From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 00:03:25 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:03:25 -0400 Subject: Desktop icons are not displayed on login In-Reply-To: <4911ff840803091124w1377566bsf7cc659909f13d7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200803080751.10945.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> <4911ff840803091124w1377566bsf7cc659909f13d7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803092003.25274.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> On Sunday 09 March 2008 14:24:54 mehmet Dilmac wrote: > apt-get install rcconf > > run shel "rcconf" end select strart aplication > I could not find an app named start; also, I noticed that the mouse buttons do not bring up menus as defined in my preferences. I reinstalled the kubuntustudio-desktop but no luck there. From pandarsson at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 00:21:48 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:21:48 -0500 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <5122454.aBGPmLgz0h@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> <5122454.aBGPmLgz0h@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803091921.48929.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Sunday 09 March 2008 2:39:23 Derek Broughton wrote: > I think very much that the reason most individual users get Linux is > because it's free. They might stay because it's secure, stable or Free, > but they wouldn't try it in the first place if they hadn't got it for > nothing. I get what you're saying, but new restaurants will often give out certificates for a free meal. If it's no good, you don't come back. But if it's good, you don't want to go back and refuse to pay for it. I wouldn't have been *able* to try it if it wasn't free. And the fact that its free made up for the fact that I was going out on a limb trying it. At the time I had DOS/Windows 3.11 on a 352 meg hard drive and OS/2 on a 10 gigabyte hard drive. I had only ever used Unix variants on business machines and I had never resized a partition and at that time, it was generally considered rather dangerous to do. So free is what convinced me to try, but things like the bash shell and the power of shell scripts (I was a DOS batch file and debug script nut at the time) are what got me to the point where I am today - only using Windows if I have to. And most of the Linux users I know face to face (and admittedly, most of them are older) feel the same as myself - we use it because it's a great operating system. The fact that it's free is icing on the cake. I know there are a lot of people who want everything for free, but I think the majority of people in the world don't mind fairly compensating when it's asked, if they have something to give. I love the concept of software given freely and dig the philosophy behind it, but I also know that a lot of developers simply wouldn't be interested in developing certain applications on their own. Those that are interested in those applications have less people willing to help them, so they have to spend more time. I give again the example of Writer's Cafe. There are a lot of writers (it's aimed mostly at fiction writers - but there are still a lot of us), but most of them can only write if it equals "noun, (adverb,) verb, (adverb,) (adjective,) noun, (preposition)". If it contains equal signs, parentheses, brackets AND squiggly brackets (pardon my bad memory for terms), it makes no sense. So while there's a market or niche (depending on how you look at it), the very few developers interested have to spend all their time with little help developing what that market/niche needs. And those of us waiting for such a thing are only too happy to pay to get it. I know I not only exhausted search engines and the like, I actually made requests to find people interested, offering what help I could give (such as in documenting), but the when I got any response at all, it was something to the effect of "why don't you use Kword?" or "why don't you use a mindmapper?" They didn't even understand the need. Heck, only recently has someone bothered to put together a script-writing (as in play script or film script) application that works in Java (and therefore Linux). Before that, the only options were OpenOffice with an add-on (absolute crap if you've used the real thing) and one for Windows that would work in WINE. Fortunately, it's free, but for sure I would have paid if it was asked. That, I think, is the majority. Possibly not the loudest users, but the majority. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 07:09:20 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:09:20 +0200 Subject: Printing to a Windows 2000 server shared printer In-Reply-To: <200803090952.57919.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <387639.72740.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200803090952.57919.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D4DEA0.6020907@gmail.com> Valter Mura wrote: > Il sabato 8 marzo 2008 14:21:56 Tom R ha scritto: >>> Sinclair wrote: >>> using ip-address as well as servername, no luck. It >>> comes up in Smb4K (the share that is) but I can not >>> print from that either... >> Sinclair, >> >> The 2.6.22 kernel has a problem in the module cifs >> (version 1.49) which prevents mounting more than 1 >> cifs share at a time. The problem appears in Ubuntu >> 7.10, openSUSE 10.3 and other 2.6.22 based distros. >> It wasn't there in earlier kernels and distros (e.g., >> openSUSE 10.2, Ubuntu 7.04) and has been fixed in >> later kernels (e.g., Kubuntu 8.04 Alphas, openSUSE >> 11.0 Alphas). I noticed it with Samba, but it may >> have affected Windows 2000 servers. It showed up when >> implementing the smb2 protocol (Windows 2003 servers) >> so it may not have affected them. If this is the >> problem, your printer mighr work if you umount any >> mounted Windows shares. > Well, I have actually upgraded to kernel 2.6.24... for another reason, I had problems with a modem that 2.2.22 or the ALSA in Gutsy did not recognize. So that would not be my problem I guess. Will have to try with a Live CD of something to really check though. Sinclair From casperskovby at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 08:19:38 2008 From: casperskovby at gmail.com (Casper Skovby) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:19:38 +0100 Subject: No sound Message-ID: <47D4EF1A.3010600@gmail.com> Hi, I have just gotten a new laptop (znote 3415) and installed kubuntu 7.10. I have a RealTek ALC268 soundcard. I tried to install the linux driver from RealTek's homepage using the command "./install". After a few minutes it stop installing and says: make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/drivers/realtek-linux-audiopack-5.01/alsa-utils-1.0.15/alsaconf' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 Remove Folder..... ./install: 101: alsaconf: not found And I have still no sound. What can be wrong? Kind regards Casper From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 08:39:29 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:39:29 +0200 Subject: No sound In-Reply-To: <47D4EF1A.3010600@gmail.com> References: <47D4EF1A.3010600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803101039.29219.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > And I have still no sound. What can be wrong? Just a wild stab: did you use sudo? sudo ./install \d From hobbsee at ubuntu.com Mon Mar 10 12:32:25 2008 From: hobbsee at ubuntu.com (Sarah Hobbs) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:32:25 +1100 Subject: I gave your name... In-Reply-To: <20080308032759.696914519E0@web04.goodtree.com> References: <20080308032759.696914519E0@web04.goodtree.com> Message-ID: <47D52A59.6090004@ubuntu.com> yuliakusumawati via GoodTree wrote: > http://goodtree.com/invitations/46630544?version=16&a=e302a > > Please accept my invitation to the website that is > connecting all the good people around us. > > > Be Good, > > > > --- > This email sent by yuliakusumawati at yahoo.com through GoodTree LLC., 703 Market St. #470, San Francisco, CA 94103. > No more invites, please: http://goodtree.com/opt_out?i=46630544&a=e302a > > Please don't spam the list like this. Thankyou. From mailinglist at endosquid.com Mon Mar 10 13:02:40 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:02:40 -0400 Subject: No sound In-Reply-To: <47D4EF1A.3010600@gmail.com> References: <47D4EF1A.3010600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803100902.41030.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Monday 10 March 2008, Casper Skovby wrote: > Hi, > > I have just gotten a new laptop (znote 3415) and installed kubuntu 7.10. > I have a RealTek ALC268 soundcard. I tried to install the linux driver > from RealTek's homepage using the command "./install". After a few > minutes it stop installing and says: > > make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory > `/home/drivers/realtek-linux-audiopack-5.01/alsa-utils-1.0.15/alsaconf' > make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 > Remove Folder..... > ./install: 101: alsaconf: not found Weeeeeeeeeeeeeell, it says alsaconf isn't found, right? Perhaps you dont have alsaconf installed, and the install is looking for it? From casperskovby at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 13:37:38 2008 From: casperskovby at gmail.com (Casper Skovby) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:37:38 +0100 Subject: No sound In-Reply-To: <200803101039.29219.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <47D4EF1A.3010600@gmail.com> <200803101039.29219.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D539A2.6030204@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 14:00:02 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:00:02 +0200 Subject: No sound In-Reply-To: <47D4EF1A.3010600@gmail.com> References: <47D4EF1A.3010600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803101600.03090.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > ./install: 101: alsaconf: not found I had a look on aptitude, do: aptitude search alsa (or apt-cache search alsa) You might get someplace if you install: alsa alsa-base And then try your ./install again. Keep adding likely looking alsa* packages and running ./install until it stops complaining. HTH \d From casperskovby at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 15:18:10 2008 From: casperskovby at gmail.com (Casper Skovby) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:18:10 +0100 Subject: No sound In-Reply-To: <200803101600.03090.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <47D4EF1A.3010600@gmail.com> <200803101600.03090.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D55132.6070207@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 15:51:06 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:51:06 +0200 Subject: No sound In-Reply-To: <47D55132.6070207@gmail.com> References: <47D4EF1A.3010600@gmail.com> <200803101600.03090.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47D55132.6070207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803101751.06377.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Thanks now it works! Hey, that's great! Glad you came right :) \d From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Mon Mar 10 18:11:43 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:11:43 +0100 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> <1962956.zE4T27y3zr@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> <5122454.aBGPmLgz0h@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <87k5ka4ffk.fsf@fjellstad.org> Derek Broughton writes: > I think very much that the reason most individual users get Linux is because > it's free. They might stay because it's secure, stable or Free, but they > wouldn't try it in the first place if they hadn't got it for nothing. I actually paid for my first Linux experience. It was easier and faster to pay for a copy of RedHat 4.x (something, whatever had linux 2.0.38) at the local Newegg (or possibly Fry's) than to download a CD. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 19:59:03 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:59:03 +0200 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller In-Reply-To: <87k5ka4ffk.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> <1962956.zE4T27y3zr@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> <5122454.aBGPmLgz0h@cedar.serverforest.com> <87k5ka4ffk.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <880dece00803101259j253bfe6fyfcd8a438877ef2d5@mail.gmail.com> On 10/03/2008, John L Fjellstad wrote: > Derek Broughton writes: > > > I think very much that the reason most individual users get Linux is because > > it's free. They might stay because it's secure, stable or Free, but they > > wouldn't try it in the first place if they hadn't got it for nothing. > > > I actually paid for my first Linux experience. It was easier and faster > to pay for a copy of RedHat 4.x (something, whatever had linux 2.0.38) > at the local Newegg (or possibly Fry's) than to download a CD. > My first sexual experience was under similar circumstances. Sometimes it's just easier and faster to pay. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From nigel at rmk.co.il Mon Mar 10 20:16:01 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:16:01 +0200 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop Message-ID: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect to a pppoe connection. The wired connection works as advertised (beware, if your pc/laptop is already configured with a static ip address, then you won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I had to stick the Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to connect to the router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and KWlan, but wicd says that there are no wireless connections available. I really am completely new to wireless and don't really know where to start. Do I have to do anything special to the router first? And how do I get a 'tray icon' for wicd to appear? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From dhcolesj at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 20:38:13 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:38:13 -0500 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200803101538.13928.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Monday 10 March 2008 03:16:01 pm Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect to a > pppoe connection. The wired connection works as advertised (beware, if your > pc/laptop is already configured with a static ip address, then you won't be > able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I had to stick the Hardy live CD > in and then it connected!!??). > > Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to > connect to the router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and > KWlan, but wicd says that there are no wireless connections available. > > I really am completely new to wireless and don't really know where to > start. > > Do I have to do anything special to the router first? > And how do I get a 'tray icon' for wicd to appear? > > Blessings, > > Nigel Yes, you may need to look into what kind of Wireless adapter you have. It may be that the restricted driver manager will get what you need and set it up for you, or you may have a wireless modem that requires ndiswrapper. If you have a broadcom NIC I would imagine the restricted driver manager will help out, but some wireless cards just don't play well with others. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From casperskovby at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 20:43:17 2008 From: casperskovby at gmail.com (Casper Skovby) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:43:17 +0100 Subject: Problems with wireless Message-ID: <47D59D65.2000803@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Mon Mar 10 20:48:07 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:48:07 +0100 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200803102148.07177.kassube@gmx.net> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to > connect to the router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and > KWlan, but wicd says that there are no wireless connections available. Can you tell us what wireless device you have in your laptop? Probably the relevant section of the "lspci" command could help you determine the type. Nils From francisco.borges at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 21:15:11 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:15:11 +0100 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect to a pppoe connection. > The wired connection works as advertised (beware, if your pc/laptop is already configured > with a static ip address, then you won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I > had to stick the Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). > > Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to connect to the > router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and KWlan, but wicd says that there > are no wireless connections available. > > I really am completely new to wireless and don't really know where to start. I have the same router, and the same laptop ;-) (Good taste, eh?) My tip is: - do install the restricted drivers package; [...] I never used wicd, but as I am highly unsatisfied with NetworkManager, I am curious about how your wicd attempt pays out. So if it is not too much to ask, once you have reached a conclusion about it, could you please post it to this list (or simply email me in private). [...] Other than the wireless, the only thing that currently still takes some struggle to get to work on this laptop, is a bluetooth headset. If you need help setting that up, please feel free to email. Kind regards, -- Francisco From vitog at znet.com Tue Mar 11 02:35:32 2008 From: vitog at znet.com (Victor) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:35:32 -0700 Subject: unable to add software Message-ID: <47D5EFF4.40904@znet.com> I have tried twice to install Kubuntu on 2 different computers. Unlike Ubuntu there are a lot of software omitted from the initial installation. When I go to add programs the list of things such as games Thunderbird and firefox are grayed out. I received my disks from canonical. the version is Kubuntu 7.10. The add programs is nonresponsive. What's wrong? Is it me or the disks? I have a slow dial up and so i can't easily download anything meaningful. From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Mar 11 06:41:12 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:41:12 +0200 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <47D62988.9050604@rmk.co.il> Francisco Borges wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect to a pppoe connection. >> The wired connection works as advertised (beware, if your pc/laptop is already configured >> with a static ip address, then you won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I >> had to stick the Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). >> >> Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to connect to the >> router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and KWlan, but wicd says that there >> are no wireless connections available. >> >> I really am completely new to wireless and don't really know where to start. > > I have the same router, and the same laptop ;-) (Good taste, eh?) How do you get the router to give static ip addresses below 100? ie. 192.168.0.3 > > My tip is: > > - do install the restricted drivers package; I can't find that package... I do have to kubuntu-restricted-extras installed but no mention of drivers for the wireless card. I also have jockey-kde (hardware driver manager0 installed, but again, no mention of 'proprietry' drivers. > > [...] > > I never used wicd, but as I am highly unsatisfied with NetworkManager, > I am curious about how your wicd attempt pays out. Still working on it..... > > So if it is not too much to ask, once you have reached a conclusion > about it, could you please post it to this list (or simply email me in > private). > > [...] > > Other than the wireless, the only thing that currently still takes > some struggle to get to work on this laptop, is a bluetooth headset. > If you need help setting that up, please feel free to email. > > Kind regards, Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Mar 11 06:45:10 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:45:10 +0200 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <200803102148.07177.kassube@gmx.net> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <200803102148.07177.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <47D62A76.70408@rmk.co.il> Nils Kassube wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to >> connect to the router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and >> KWlan, but wicd says that there are no wireless connections available. > > Can you tell us what wireless device you have in your laptop? Probably the > relevant section of the "lspci" command could help you determine the > type. > > > Nils > lspci gives the Network controller as a Broadcom Corporation BCM310 USB Controller (rev 01) What's the USB part? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 11 07:25:19 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:25:19 +0100 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <47D62988.9050604@rmk.co.il> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <47D62988.9050604@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200803110825.19464.kassube@gmx.net> Nigel Ridley wrote: > How do you get the router to give static ip addresses below 100? ie. > 192.168.0.3 Hmm, you probably mean dynamic addresses - static adresses are independant from the router and they would be configured at the laptop. Now if you mean dynamic addresses, it is at the page you get when you login to the router configuration. At the section about DHCP you set the address range by start IP address and number of clients. BTW: In you other mail you wrote about BCM310 - could it be you mean BCM4310? Then maybe this page could help you make it work: Nils From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 07:31:02 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:31:02 +0200 Subject: unable to add software In-Reply-To: <47D5EFF4.40904@znet.com> References: <47D5EFF4.40904@znet.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803110031i29d3eacdge33896c55e39c276@mail.gmail.com> On 11/03/2008, Victor wrote: > I have tried twice to install Kubuntu on 2 different computers. Unlike > Ubuntu there are a lot of software omitted from the initial > installation. When I go to add programs the list of things such as > games Thunderbird and firefox are grayed out. I received my disks from > canonical. the version is Kubuntu 7.10. The add programs is > nonresponsive. What's wrong? Is it me or the disks? I have a slow > dial up and so i can't easily download anything meaningful. Please run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" from Konsole and post the output. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 11 07:31:18 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:31:18 +0100 Subject: unable to add software In-Reply-To: <47D5EFF4.40904@znet.com> References: <47D5EFF4.40904@znet.com> Message-ID: <200803110831.18509.kassube@gmx.net> Victor wrote: > I have tried twice to install Kubuntu on 2 different computers. Unlike > Ubuntu there are a lot of software omitted from the initial > installation. When I go to add programs the list of things such as > games Thunderbird and firefox are grayed out. Don't use add programs but system / adept (package manager). Nils From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 09:14:20 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:14:20 +0200 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <47D64D6C.8020007@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect to a pppoe connection. > The wired connection works as advertised (beware, if your pc/laptop is already configured > with a static ip address, then you won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I > had to stick the Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). > > Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to connect to the > router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and KWlan, but wicd says that there > are no wireless connections available. > > I really am completely new to wireless and don't really know where to start. > > Do I have to do anything special to the router first? > And how do I get a 'tray icon' for wicd to appear? > Well I would start with the classic: is the wireless switch on the laptop set to "on"? You would be very far from the first one to find that it is/was not. Then if you bought this from Dell you should have some order confirm that tells you exactly what wireless device you have. As I can find out it can be delivered with either Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless units. If you got Dell I would go to ubuntuforums.org and the Dell forum there and try searching around. For the Intel you need a restricted driver in Gutsy. This you should find installed by default but perhaps not enabled. Look in System Settings, Advanced tab and Restricted drivers. If it is not there use Adept or Synaptic and search for Intel, you should find it. Note that the Intel driver is buggy... the ipw3945 will come on and off by itself. You are better of using the iwl3945 driver, look for how-to on ubuntuforums.org or wicd user forums. Finally re the tray icon: read the FAQ on WICD site. Sinclair From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Tue Mar 11 09:27:21 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:27:21 +0000 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <47D64D6C.8020007@gmail.com> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <47D64D6C.8020007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080311092737.607F512880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> At 09:14 11/03/2008, you wrote: > > >Well I would start with the classic: is the wireless switch on the >laptop set to "on"? You would be very far from the first one to find >that it is/was not. I picked up a Toshiba Satellite that also has the switch on the side, but no way could I get wireless to work. Poking around under the detachable covers on the bottom, it turns out that although it's got sockets for both bluetooth and wifi adaptors, neither of these is fitted. So that would be worth checking, too. But it does work with a BlueNext USB adaptor and ndiswrapper, using Gutsy. Dave From francisco.borges at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 09:57:39 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:57:39 +0100 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <47D62988.9050604@rmk.co.il> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <47D62988.9050604@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Francisco Borges wrote: > >> I really am completely new to wireless and don't really know where to start. > > > > I have the same router, and the same laptop ;-) (Good taste, eh?) > > How do you get the router to give static ip addresses below 100? ie. 192.168.0.3 IIRC I configured the router to use DHCP, and the laptop to request an IP from the router. It has been a year or so since I set it up. So I can't help you much here. Have you trying taking a look at this web administrator interface the router have? I thought it was very good. (I can't fuss with my router now since I am at work) > > My tip is: > > > > - do install the restricted drivers package; > > I can't find that package... I do have to kubuntu-restricted-extras installed but no mention of drivers for the > wireless card. I also have jockey-kde (hardware driver manager0 installed, but again, no mention of > 'proprietry' drivers. % aptitude search linux-restricted-modules- will show you the packages. If you are using the "generic" kernel package, just install linux-restricted-modules-generic linux-restricted-modules-common Otherwise search for the package that corresponds to your kernel. [...] I would also observe that since I upgraded to Hardy, the wireless indicator light is not showing anything anymore (despite having it active). Cheers, -- Francisco From seakat at orange.fr Tue Mar 11 10:17:22 2008 From: seakat at orange.fr (Seakat) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:17:22 +0100 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 38, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D65C32.4020401@orange.fr> On 2008-03-10 21:43, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: >> I actually paid for my first Linux experience. It was easier and faster >> to pay for a copy of RedHat 4.x (something, whatever had linux 2.0.38) >> at the local Newegg (or possibly Fry's) than to download a CD. >> >> > > My first sexual experience was under similar circumstances. Sometimes > it's just easier and faster to pay. > > Dotan Cohen > What a glorious analogy, Dotan. Hope you both enjoyed it. But aren't the best things in life free and more fun? (Well, in general) (whether they're free sex, free beer or free-dom?) Oh and free Linux Seakat From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 10:30:35 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:30:35 +0200 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <47D62988.9050604@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <47D65F4B.3090106@gmail.com> Francisco Borges wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Francisco Borges wrote: >> >> I really am completely new to wireless and don't really know where to start. >> > >> > I have the same router, and the same laptop ;-) (Good taste, eh?) >> >> How do you get the router to give static ip addresses below 100? ie. 192.168.0.3 > > IIRC I configured the router to use DHCP, and the laptop to request an > IP from the router. > > It has been a year or so since I set it up. So I can't help you much > here. Have you trying taking a look at this web administrator > interface the router have? I thought it was very good. > > (I can't fuss with my router now since I am at work) > >> > My tip is: >> > >> > - do install the restricted drivers package; >> >> I can't find that package... I do have to kubuntu-restricted-extras installed but no mention of drivers for the >> wireless card. I also have jockey-kde (hardware driver manager0 installed, but again, no mention of >> 'proprietry' drivers. > > % aptitude search linux-restricted-modules- > > will show you the packages. If you are using the "generic" kernel > package, just install > > linux-restricted-modules-generic > linux-restricted-modules-common > > Otherwise search for the package that corresponds to your kernel. > > [...] > > I would also observe that since I upgraded to Hardy, the wireless > indicator light is not showing anything anymore (despite having it > active). > A comment on the last note: this seems to be a known bug with either Hardy kernel or the Intel IWL3945 driver. I upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy kernel and Alsa (not the rest) due to other problems and got the iwl3945 instead of ipw3945 with it. The light goes away but the driver works much better than before. Sinclair From francisco.borges at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 12:20:08 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:20:08 +0100 Subject: password management in Kubuntu Message-ID: Hello, Normally in order to use my computer I need to type 3 passwords: One for KDM (login) One for KWalletManager (wireless etc) One for Firefox. I recently decided that I didn't care that much about the wireless passwords on my laptop, and set Knetworkmanager to store the passwords on a clear text file. Then I discovered that Knetworkmanager decided to 1. delete all my passwords in kwallet, 2. without even copying any of them. (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/199290) To add insult to injury, Knetworkmanager won't connect automatically to networks if I have the "store passwords in clear text". So now I am back to using kwallet but with many passwords lost. [...] Is there any way to unlock kwallet, by using the password used at login? Or to at least unlock Firefox's password manager using kwallet? Cheers, -- Francisco From lacsilva at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 12:40:19 2008 From: lacsilva at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lu=EDs_Silva?=) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:40:19 +0100 Subject: password management in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803111340.19478.lacsilva@gmail.com> > Hello, > > Normally in order to use my computer I need to type 3 passwords: > > One for KDM (login) > One for KWalletManager (wireless etc) > One for Firefox. > > I recently decided that I didn't care that much about the wireless > passwords on my laptop, and set Knetworkmanager to store the passwords > on a clear text file. Then I discovered that Knetworkmanager decided > to > > 1. delete all my passwords in kwallet, > 2. without even copying any of them. > > (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/199290) > > To add insult to injury, Knetworkmanager won't connect automatically > to networks if I have the "store passwords in clear text". So now I am > back to using kwallet but with many passwords lost. > > [...] > > Is there any way to unlock kwallet, by using the password used at login? > > Or to at least unlock Firefox's password manager using kwallet? Hi! This is not very advisable but you can use kwallet without any password at all. Then all applications that have the need will only ask your permission the first time they need to store a password. -- Luís A. C. Silva lacsilva at gmail.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/S d()>$ s: a? C+++(+++)$>+++ UL+++ P@ L+++(+++)$>+++ !E---(---)>--- W++(++)>++ !N !o K--? !w---(---)?>--- O-(-) !M-(-)>- !V PS++(+) PE Y+ PGP- t+>$ 5++ X++ !R? tv b++ DI+++(++)>+ !D G+ e+++? h?>$ !r?* !y** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 11 15:06:47 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:06:47 -0300 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <2907487.P9nr4bpc5r@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect to > a pppoe connection. The wired connection works as advertised (beware, if > your pc/laptop is already configured with a static ip address, then you > won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I had to stick the > Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). What's with the ?? Of course it won't connect. You can't have two devices on the network with the same IP, and your WRT would need to use that static IP address. Of course, the simple solution would have been to just remove all settings, and Network Manager (actually, dhclient) would have set you up via DHCP. > Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to > connect to the router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and > KWlan, but wicd says that there are no wireless connections available. So why would you uninstall the supported and (mostly) functional network manager for an unsupported program? I'm not saying that it's a bad idea - I've finally got frustrated enough with NM to give wicd another try - but if you know nothing about wireless, jumping in with unsupported software is a really bad start. For most users, NM works just fine. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 11 15:14:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:14:24 -0300 Subject: Disk on Key slowly getting smaller References: <47D3FB0D.9010602@orange.fr> <880dece00803090846j716a6517p4be862b1e063a96f@mail.gmail.com> <1962956.zE4T27y3zr@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00803091153s5d1c0aecv8b47d44d24ffabe8@mail.gmail.com> <5122454.aBGPmLgz0h@cedar.serverforest.com> <87k5ka4ffk.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <1875966.jIjVdnXT2z@cedar.serverforest.com> John L Fjellstad wrote: > Derek Broughton writes: > >> I think very much that the reason most individual users get Linux is >> because >> it's free. They might stay because it's secure, stable or Free, but they >> wouldn't try it in the first place if they hadn't got it for nothing. > > I actually paid for my first Linux experience. It was easier and faster > to pay for a copy of RedHat 4.x (something, whatever had linux 2.0.38) > at the local Newegg (or possibly Fry's) than to download a CD. I usually pay for the "other" distros I try - I tend to choose which Linux mags I'll buy depending on which DVD's they've got :-) But that's pretty small change compared to buying a retail Windows. My very first Linux was Corel Linux 1.0, and I don't recall how I got the CD, but I think I actually paid a nominal price for it. -- derek From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 15:34:30 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:34:30 +0100 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager In-Reply-To: <47D47697.6060606@verizon.net> References: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> <1204960671.6436.16.camel@ikkyu2> <47D47697.6060606@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200803111634.31077.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Monday 10 March 2008 00:45:27 Joel Oliver wrote: > I've had great results with wicd. [...] Thank you for your detailed explanations. I'll give it a new try soon. somehow I feel I'm getting closer. I have been wicd on the desktop pc, but that's easy as it's connected though wired ethernet. Thank you, -- lanzen From paulatgm at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 17:20:29 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:20:29 -0400 Subject: strange konsole behavior on hardy In-Reply-To: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> References: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D6BF5D.4070508@gmail.com> I tried that and see no improvement. But, I also am now trying a different terminal program instead of konsole. I'm using xfce-terminal. It has the same problem. So, perhaps it's an aptitude problem after all. From lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 11 17:57:43 2008 From: lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net (Leonard Chatagnier) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Add Printer Wizard Issue Message-ID: <868611.49172.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:36:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Leonard Chatagnier > Subject: Add Printer Wizard Issue > To: Kubuntu Users List > > > I am desperate to get a local usb printer installed > on > my AMD64 X2 6000+ Gateway machine. Have been trying > for days using localhost:631/admin and System > Settings > -> Printers -> Add printers/classes. The info I need > to print is for income tax preparation and time is > running out. What I find in System Settings -> > Printers -> Add printers/classes is that the "local > printers(parallel, serial, usb) is greyed out and > when > it it greyed out nothing will install the printer > for > me. Can anyone please tell me how to make the local > printers button active again so that I can install > my > Epson Stylus CX5800F USB printer. Am getting rather > desperate and need a solution quickly. Thanks very > much for you help, > > > > Leonard Chatagnier > lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net > Leonard Chatagnier lenc5570 at sbcglobal.net From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 11 18:01:05 2008 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:01:05 +0000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Fwd: Add Printer Wizard Issue In-Reply-To: <868611.49172.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <868611.49172.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080311180105.GH1339@muse.19inch.net> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:57:43AM -0700, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: > > I am desperate to get a local usb printer installed > > on > > my AMD64 X2 6000+ Gateway machine. Have been trying > > for days using localhost:631/admin and System > > Settings > > -> Printers -> Add printers/classes. The info I need > > to print is for income tax preparation and time is > > running out. What I find in System Settings -> > > Printers -> Add printers/classes is that the "local > > printers(parallel, serial, usb) is greyed out and > > when > > it it greyed out nothing will install the printer > > for > > me. Can anyone please tell me how to make the local > > printers button active again so that I can install > > my > > Epson Stylus CX5800F USB printer. Am getting rather > > desperate and need a solution quickly. Thanks very > > much for you help, For now installing system-config-printer-gnome and running system-config-printer should work. One day system-config-printer-kde will work too. Jonathan From hansm242 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 18:42:17 2008 From: hansm242 at yahoo.com (Hans Meyer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Malware in 7.10? Message-ID: <4808.84213.qm@web45515.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello all, I got the following message from clam before trying to burn the iso image from the US Portland university site: 2008-03-11 11:07:07 /Volumes/Kubuntu 7.10 i38/wubi-cdboot.exe: Adware.Fakealert-21 FOUND 2008-03-11 11:07:08 WARNING: chown() failed for /Users/toto/.Trash//wubi-cdboot.exe: Operation not permitted 2008-03-11 11:07:08 WARNING: cannot unlink '/Volumes/Kubuntu 7.10 i38/wubi-cdboot.exe': Read-only file system I google "wubi-cdboot.exe Adware.Fakealert-21" but nothing came up. I thing, if real, this would affect win$ users. Sincerely, Hans Meyer. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 11 18:51:11 2008 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:51:11 +0000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Malware in 7.10? In-Reply-To: <4808.84213.qm@web45515.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <4808.84213.qm@web45515.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080311185111.GI1339@muse.19inch.net> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:42:17AM -0700, Hans Meyer wrote: > I got the following message from clam before trying to > burn the iso image from the US Portland university > site: > > 2008-03-11 11:07:07 /Volumes/Kubuntu 7.10 > i38/wubi-cdboot.exe: Adware.Fakealert-21 FOUND > 2008-03-11 11:07:08 WARNING: chown() failed for > /Users/toto/.Trash//wubi-cdboot.exe: Operation not > permitted > 2008-03-11 11:07:08 WARNING: cannot unlink > '/Volumes/Kubuntu 7.10 i38/wubi-cdboot.exe': Read-only > file system > > I google "wubi-cdboot.exe Adware.Fakealert-21" but > nothing came up. I thing, if real, this would affect > win$ users. This is the new Windows installer http://wubi-installer.org/ You may want to talk to clam developers to work out why this is being wrongly detected as adware and how to stop that. Jonathan From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 19:21:34 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:21:34 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive Message-ID: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> Hi All, I *would* like to definitely solve the issue that bores me since several months. I bought an external dstorage usb disk of 320 Gb. The 1st time I used it was with Windows and everything went well: Windows recognises it, I can read and write in it. The file system is "NTFS". Now, I've tried many times to access to it from my Linux Kubuntu (7.10 updated) and I get always this error: *** $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0) Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Operazione non supportata Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action: Choice 1: If you have Windows then disconnect the external devices by clicking on the 'Safely Remove Hardware' icon in the Windows taskbar then shutdown Windows cleanly. Choice 2: If you don't have Windows then you can use the 'force' option for your own responsibility. For example type on the command line: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 -o force Or add the option to the relevant row in the /etc/fstab file: /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0 *** I CANNOT use the choice one. My fstab file is: *** # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 # /dev/hda1 UUID=7c6eef04-e3dc-40b4-9203-aca83775170c / ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1 # /dev/hda5 UUID=a0ace780-418a-4375-b2a3-7f10edab6baf none swap sw 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 auto users,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 *** Note that I have already installed "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config", so I supposed I could use the hard disk. Do I have to *substitute* the last line in fstab file with */dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0* or only add it to the file? Another issue: now the system isn't able to mount and read/write also usb pendrives, and before Kubuntu recognised my pen drives. Why? Perhaps some conflict? Do I need to configure the fstab, adding a customized line for the usb hard disk? Or for the usb pendrive, which, I suppose, should be "seen" by the system automatically? The only solution I know presently, as I'm not very skilled with the OS and the Konsole, is to reset everything and reinstall Kubuntu in the internal hard disk, which is dedicated to Linux, than indipendent from Windows. Please, help me, I don't want to lose my mail and music and photos... thank you in advance. -- Valter Gnupgp ID: 0xD7274715 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From hansm242 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 19:25:49 2008 From: hansm242 at yahoo.com (Hans Meyer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kubuntu-users] Malware in 7.10? In-Reply-To: <20080311185111.GI1339@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <481917.95869.qm@web45516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks for this prompt answer Jonathan, I will write to the clam developer to clarify this problem. Sincerely, Hans Meyer. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From teeahr1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 19:33:12 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:33:12 -0500 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D6DE78.2020902@gmail.com> Friend of mine has a similar problem with her drive enclosure. You /can/ try to force mount it with (IIRC) the -f flag, but I'm not responsible if it explodes. I'd really try to find a windows machine and all you need to do is plug it in and "remove safely." In the long run, though, at least with my friend's enclosure, the problem didn't actually go away until we reformatted the drive as EXT3. Valter Mura wrote: > Hi All, > > I *would* like to definitely solve the issue that bores me since several > months. > > I bought an external dstorage usb disk of 320 Gb. The 1st time I used it was > with Windows and everything went well: Windows recognises it, I can read and > write in it. The file system is "NTFS". > > Now, I've tried many times to access to it from my Linux Kubuntu (7.10 > updated) and I get always this error: > *** > $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0) > Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Operazione non supportata > Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action: > Choice 1: If you have Windows then disconnect the external devices by > clicking on the 'Safely Remove Hardware' icon in the Windows > taskbar then shutdown Windows cleanly. > Choice 2: If you don't have Windows then you can use the 'force' option for > your own responsibility. For example type on the command line: > mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 -o force > Or add the option to the relevant row in the /etc/fstab file: > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0 > *** > > I CANNOT use the choice one. > > > My fstab file is: > *** > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > # > # > proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 > # /dev/hda1 > UUID=7c6eef04-e3dc-40b4-9203-aca83775170c / ext3 > nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1 > # /dev/hda5 > UUID=a0ace780-418a-4375-b2a3-7f10edab6baf none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 > /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 auto users,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 > *** > > Note that I have already installed "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config", so I supposed > I could use the hard disk. > > Do I have to *substitute* the last line in fstab file with > */dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0* or only add it to the > file? > > Another issue: now the system isn't able to mount and read/write also usb > pendrives, and before Kubuntu recognised my pen drives. Why? Perhaps some > conflict? Do I need to configure the fstab, adding a customized line for the > usb hard disk? Or for the usb pendrive, which, I suppose, should be "seen" by > the system automatically? > > The only solution I know presently, as I'm not very skilled with the OS and > the Konsole, is to reset everything and reinstall Kubuntu in the internal > hard disk, which is dedicated to Linux, than indipendent from Windows. > > Please, help me, I don't want to lose my mail and music and photos... thank > you in advance. > From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Mar 11 19:36:15 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:36:15 +0200 Subject: strange konsole behavior on hardy In-Reply-To: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> References: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D6DF2F.4050102@rmk.co.il> Paul S wrote: > I'm using hardy and kde 3.5.9, but this problem has been with konsole > even on 3.5.8 on hardy. > > It seems the konsole is getting carriage returns and yes signals without > any input on my part. I notice it when I go to "aptitude > install/full-upgrade". The session just starts scrolling lines and does > not pause for the usual yes / no dialog. Here's an example .. the blank > lines are as they scrolled on the screen. It's almost as though konsole > is generating it's own carriage return signal. Also, notice there's no > prompt for Yes / No, like usual in doing aptitude commands. Any ideas? > > paul :~$ aptitude install frozen-bubble scorched3d neverball pinball > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... 50% > > > > > > > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > Writing extended state information... Done > Building tag database... Done > The following packages have been automatically kept back: > gnome-session gnome-settings-daemon libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common > linux-libc-dev > The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: > fb-music-high frozen-bubble-data libsdl-console libsdl-gfx1.2-4 > libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl > libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 > libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 neverdata pinball-data scorched3d-data > The following packages have been kept back: > fglrx-kernel-source mlocate xorg-driver-fglrx > The following NEW packages will be installed: > fb-music-high frozen-bubble frozen-bubble-data libsdl-console > libsdl-gfx1.2-4 libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 > libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl > libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 neverball > neverdata pinball pinball-data scorched3d scorched3d-data > 0 packages upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. > Need to get 102MB/106MB of archives. After unpacking 240MB will be used. > Writing extended state information... Done > Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe neverdata > 1.4.0-2ubuntu3 [14.4MB] > 9% [1 neverdata 9664879/14.4MB 67%] > > 92.3kB/s 16min36s > > I also was running kde 3.5.8 on gutsy, but never experienced this. > > I just noticed the exact same thing on my recent Hardy install - using apt-get. Until today apt (and the terminal) performed as expected. Then today I did an 'sudo apt-get update' followed by a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and it didn't even stop to ask if I wanted to install/upgrade the packages that were available - it just presumed that I hit the 'y' key and proceeded to download and install/upgrade. And there were gaps of several lines between some of the processes. It is a new Dell laptop and I don't have a sticky 'Enter' key! Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Mar 11 19:37:42 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:37:42 +0200 Subject: strange konsole behavior on hardy In-Reply-To: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> References: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D6DF86.408@rmk.co.il> Paul S wrote: > I'm using hardy and kde 3.5.9, but this problem has been with konsole > even on 3.5.8 on hardy. > > It seems the konsole is getting carriage returns and yes signals without > any input on my part. I notice it when I go to "aptitude > install/full-upgrade". The session just starts scrolling lines and does > not pause for the usual yes / no dialog. Here's an example .. the blank > lines are as they scrolled on the screen. It's almost as though konsole > is generating it's own carriage return signal. Also, notice there's no > prompt for Yes / No, like usual in doing aptitude commands. Any ideas? > > paul :~$ aptitude install frozen-bubble scorched3d neverball pinball > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... 50% > > > > > > > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > Writing extended state information... Done > Building tag database... Done > The following packages have been automatically kept back: > gnome-session gnome-settings-daemon libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common > linux-libc-dev > The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: > fb-music-high frozen-bubble-data libsdl-console libsdl-gfx1.2-4 > libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl > libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 > libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 neverdata pinball-data scorched3d-data > The following packages have been kept back: > fglrx-kernel-source mlocate xorg-driver-fglrx > The following NEW packages will be installed: > fb-music-high frozen-bubble frozen-bubble-data libsdl-console > libsdl-gfx1.2-4 libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 > libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl > libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 neverball > neverdata pinball pinball-data scorched3d scorched3d-data > 0 packages upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. > Need to get 102MB/106MB of archives. After unpacking 240MB will be used. > Writing extended state information... Done > Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe neverdata > 1.4.0-2ubuntu3 [14.4MB] > 9% [1 neverdata 9664879/14.4MB 67%] > > 92.3kB/s 16min36s > > I also was running kde 3.5.8 on gutsy, but never experienced this. > > I just noticed the exact same thing on my recent Hardy install - using apt-get. Until today apt (and the terminal) performed as expected. Then today I did an 'sudo apt-get update' followed by a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and it didn't even stop to ask if I wanted to install/upgrade the packages that were available - it just presumed that I hit the 'y' key and proceeded to download and install/upgrade. And there were gaps of several lines between some of the processes. It is a new Dell laptop and I don't have a sticky 'Enter' key! Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Mar 11 19:39:40 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:39:40 +0200 Subject: strange konsole behavior on hardy In-Reply-To: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> References: <47D34794.10700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D6DFFC.5010907@rmk.co.il> Paul S wrote: > I'm using hardy and kde 3.5.9, but this problem has been with konsole > even on 3.5.8 on hardy. > > It seems the konsole is getting carriage returns and yes signals without > any input on my part. I notice it when I go to "aptitude > install/full-upgrade". The session just starts scrolling lines and does > not pause for the usual yes / no dialog. Here's an example .. the blank > lines are as they scrolled on the screen. It's almost as though konsole > is generating it's own carriage return signal. Also, notice there's no > prompt for Yes / No, like usual in doing aptitude commands. Any ideas? > > paul :~$ aptitude install frozen-bubble scorched3d neverball pinball > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... 50% > > > > > > > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > Writing extended state information... Done > Building tag database... Done > The following packages have been automatically kept back: > gnome-session gnome-settings-daemon libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common > linux-libc-dev > The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: > fb-music-high frozen-bubble-data libsdl-console libsdl-gfx1.2-4 > libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl > libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 > libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 neverdata pinball-data scorched3d-data > The following packages have been kept back: > fglrx-kernel-source mlocate xorg-driver-fglrx > The following NEW packages will be installed: > fb-music-high frozen-bubble frozen-bubble-data libsdl-console > libsdl-gfx1.2-4 libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2 > libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl > libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 neverball > neverdata pinball pinball-data scorched3d scorched3d-data > 0 packages upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. > Need to get 102MB/106MB of archives. After unpacking 240MB will be used. > Writing extended state information... Done > Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe neverdata > 1.4.0-2ubuntu3 [14.4MB] > 9% [1 neverdata 9664879/14.4MB 67%] > > 92.3kB/s 16min36s > > I also was running kde 3.5.8 on gutsy, but never experienced this. > > I just noticed the exact same thing on my recent Hardy install - using apt-get. Until today apt (and the terminal) performed as expected. Then today I did an 'sudo apt-get update' followed by a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and it didn't even stop to ask if I wanted to install/upgrade the packages that were available - it just presumed that I hit the 'y' key and proceeded to download and install/upgrade. And there were gaps of several lines between some of the processes. It is a new Dell laptop and I don't have a sticky 'Enter' key! Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 20:15:36 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:15:36 +0200 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803112215.36713.donn.ingle@gmail.com> If you need to share the data with other Windows computers, then use one of those to safely-remove the drive. If not, then really (really, really) just format it to ext3. (You can get a free app to read ext3 drives on Windows too, I can't recall the name, ext2fs I think. Works like a charm.) \d From kassube at gmx.net Tue Mar 11 20:31:44 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:31:44 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803112131.44521.kassube@gmx.net> Valter Mura wrote: > $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0) > Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Operazione non supportata > Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action: > Choice 1: If you have Windows then disconnect the external devices by > clicking on the 'Safely Remove Hardware' icon in the Windows > taskbar then shutdown Windows cleanly. > Choice 2: If you don't have Windows then you can use the 'force' option > for your own responsibility. For example type on the command line: > mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 -o force > Or add the option to the relevant row in the /etc/fstab file: > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0 > *** > > I CANNOT use the choice one. Why not? Don't you have Windows any more? Then you should better use ext3 instead of NTFS. Using NTFS is only useful if you want to use that disk with Windows as well. > My fstab file is: [...] > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 auto users,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 *** > > Note that I have already installed "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config", so I > supposed I could use the hard disk. > > Do I have to *substitute* the last line in fstab file with > */dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0* or only add it to > the file? If you only want to read your data once to copy them to another drive and then reformat the external disk with ext3, then don't use fstab but manually mount the drive with the force option. However if you really want to keep the NTFS file system, replacing the fstab line might help. But I think you would also need the noauto option for an external drive. And pay attention to the warning above which said "you can use the 'force' option for your own responsibility" - it is there for a reason. > Another issue: now the system isn't able to mount and read/write also > usb pendrives, and before Kubuntu recognised my pen drives. Why? > Perhaps some conflict? Do I need to configure the fstab, adding a > customized line for the usb hard disk? Or for the usb pendrive, which, > I suppose, should be "seen" by the system automatically? The pendrive probably uses FAT32, I'm not sure the atime option is supported by FAT32. Why did you use that atime option anyway for all your entries? It is at least useless for the cdrom entries. Another reason might be that the pendrive uses /dev/sda1 if the external drive is not connected. Then I think the fstab entry prevents automounting the pendrive. > The only solution I know presently, as I'm not very skilled with the OS > and the Konsole, is to reset everything and reinstall Kubuntu in the > internal hard disk, which is dedicated to Linux, than indipendent from > Windows. Reinstalling probably doesn't help. The problem with the external drive doesn't go away by reinstalling. Maybe you could automount the pendrive again, but that is probably possible if you delete the fstab entry for /dev/sda1. I suggest you better stop playing with your fstab and use the default. Nils From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 20:58:01 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:58:01 -0400 Subject: Skim? Message-ID: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> Can someone explain to me what the heck Skim is and why I need/want it? I just noticed it showing up in my system tray, but I have no clue what it is or does. Thanks, Jared From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 21:23:17 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:23:17 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112131.44521.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803112131.44521.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200803112223.17678.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Tuesday 11 March 2008 21:31:44 Nils Kassube wrote: > Why not? Don't you have Windows any more? Then you should better use ext3 > instead of NTFS. Using NTFS is only useful if you want to use that disk > with Windows as well. I had that problem in Feisty or very early beta Gutsy, I'm not sure exactly when. Using windows didn't make any difference even if I had followed thoroughly those instructions. I solved it googling around and finding I could force mounting. Here it is the info bit I kept: "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/disk-[n°]-o force or add the option to the relevent row in /etc/fstab file: /dev/sda1 /media/disk-1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0" I have never modified fstab, but forcing would mount my usb disk and I could read and write on the ntfs partition. This disk has an etx3 partition that would mount automatically. Unfortunately, at least since I've upgraded to kde 3.5.9 - and I think there's also been a upgrade on ntfs-3g - some new ugly problems are facing up. But more about these later as soon as I've gathered more details. -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 21:50:54 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:50:54 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803112250.54576.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Tuesday 11 March 2008 20:21:34 Valter Mura wrote: > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0 > *** > > I CANNOT use the choice one. Why, no Windows? > My fstab file is: > *** > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 auto users,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 > *** > > Note that I have already installed "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config", so I > supposed I could use the hard disk. > > Do I have to *substitute* the last line in fstab file with > */dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0* or only add it to the > file? La prima che hai detto! ;-) At least try it. If it doesn't work try to delete the line, find out if you usb disk is really sda1 or what it really is (in konsole sudo fdisk -l ) and give the command mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 -o force But it might not work now because... > Another issue: now the system isn't able to mount and read/write also usb > pendrives, and before Kubuntu recognised my pen drives. Have you upgraded to kde 3.5.9? Do you recall updating ntfs-3g recently? I'm having problems now even if not with pendrives. > Why? Perhaps some > conflict? Do I need to configure the fstab, adding a customized line for > the usb hard disk? Or for the usb pendrive, which, I suppose, should be > "seen" by the system automatically? For the usb disk, as said, you might, but pendrives shouldn't need it. > The only solution I know presently, as I'm not very skilled with the OS and > the Konsole, is to reset everything and reinstall Kubuntu in the internal > hard disk, which is dedicated to Linux, than indipendent from Windows. I know it's bad to say here, but gnome (ubuntu) has not these hungups these days. > Please, help me, I don't want to lose my mail and music and photos... thank > you in advance. Keep your /home safe! ;-) Ciao, -- lanzen From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 22:15:48 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:15:48 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112131.44521.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803112131.44521.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200803112315.48768.valtermura@gmail.com> Il martedì 11 marzo 2008 21:31:44 Nils Kassube ha scritto: > Valter Mura wrote: > > $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0) > > Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Operazione non supportata > > Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action: > > Choice 1: If you have Windows then disconnect the external devices by > > clicking on the 'Safely Remove Hardware' icon in the Windows > > taskbar then shutdown Windows cleanly. > > Choice 2: If you don't have Windows then you can use the 'force' option > > for your own responsibility. For example type on the command line: > > mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 -o force > > Or add the option to the relevant row in the /etc/fstab file: > > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0 > > *** > > > > I CANNOT use the choice one. > > Why not? Don't you have Windows any more? Then you should better use ext3 > instead of NTFS. Using NTFS is only useful if you want to use that disk > with Windows as well. Because Windows doesn't allow me to remove safely the the usb drive, I don't know why > > > My fstab file is: > > [...] > > > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 auto users,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 *** > > > > Note that I have already installed "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config", so I > > supposed I could use the hard disk. > > > > Do I have to *substitute* the last line in fstab file with > > */dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0* or only add it to > > the file? > > If you only want to read your data once to copy them to another drive and > then reformat the external disk with ext3, then don't use fstab but > manually mount the drive with the force option. However if you really > want to keep the NTFS file system, replacing the fstab line might help. > But I think you would also need the noauto option for an external drive. > And pay attention to the warning above which said "you can use > the 'force' option for your own responsibility" - it is there for a > reason. No, I would like to read/write both from Windows/Linux, because I want to use the drive as a back up storage system > > > Another issue: now the system isn't able to mount and read/write also > > usb pendrives, and before Kubuntu recognised my pen drives. Why? > > Perhaps some conflict? Do I need to configure the fstab, adding a > > customized line for the usb hard disk? Or for the usb pendrive, which, > > I suppose, should be "seen" by the system automatically? > > The pendrive probably uses FAT32, I'm not sure the atime option is > supported by FAT32. Why did you use that atime option anyway for all your > entries? It is at least useless for the cdrom entries. Could I safely delete the option "atime" from the entries? I think something went wrong one day, but I didn't realize I was modifying something important... :-( > > Another reason might be that the pendrive uses /dev/sda1 if the external > drive is not connected. Then I think the fstab entry prevents > automounting the pendrive. > > > The only solution I know presently, as I'm not very skilled with the OS > > and the Konsole, is to reset everything and reinstall Kubuntu in the > > internal hard disk, which is dedicated to Linux, than indipendent from > > Windows. > > Reinstalling probably doesn't help. The problem with the external drive > doesn't go away by reinstalling. Maybe you could automount the pendrive > again, but that is probably possible if you delete the fstab entry > for /dev/sda1. I suggest you better stop playing with your fstab and use > the default. Ok. Please send to me the default fstab, if somebody has one. But my question is: Could I add a new entry to fstab for the external ntfs hard drive, keeping "untouched" the entry for sda1 (used by the pen drives)? Something like, for example: /dev/sda2 /media/disk2 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0 ? I'm wondering if it is possible to customize only the entry for the external usb drive, so that Kubuntu could see the drive and the usb pendrive at the same time. If not, I'll try another solution. Thanks to all have answered to my request, all of you are very kind! -- Valter Gnupgp ID: 0xD7274715 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From valtermura at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 22:22:05 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:22:05 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112250.54576.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803112250.54576.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803112322.06145.valtermura@gmail.com> Il martedì 11 marzo 2008 22:50:54 lanzen ha scritto: > On Tuesday 11 March 2008 20:21:34 Valter Mura wrote: > > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0 > > *** > > > > I CANNOT use the choice one. > > Why, no Windows? It doesn't allow me to remove safely the drive... I don't know why, perhaps some program to protect the system... sic! > > > My fstab file is: > > *** > > > > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 auto users,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 > > *** > > > > Note that I have already installed "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config", so I > > supposed I could use the hard disk. > > > > Do I have to *substitute* the last line in fstab file with > > */dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0* or only add it to the > > file? > > La prima che hai detto! ;-) At least try it. If it doesn't work try to > delete the line, find out if you usb disk is really sda1 or what it really > is (in konsole sudo fdisk -l ) and give the command > mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 -o force Bene! Another question: if I substitute the line, how my pen drives will be read? They will use, for example, sda2 o sda3 or waht else? > > But it might not work now because... > > > Another issue: now the system isn't able to mount and read/write also usb > > pendrives, and before Kubuntu recognised my pen drives. > > Have you upgraded to kde 3.5.9? Do you recall updating ntfs-3g recently? > I'm having problems now even if not with pendrives. Yes, and I've experienced problems with adept > > > Why? Perhaps some > > conflict? Do I need to configure the fstab, adding a customized line for > > the usb hard disk? Or for the usb pendrive, which, I suppose, should be > > "seen" by the system automatically? > > For the usb disk, as said, you might, but pendrives shouldn't need it. > > > The only solution I know presently, as I'm not very skilled with the OS > > and the Konsole, is to reset everything and reinstall Kubuntu in the > > internal hard disk, which is dedicated to Linux, than indipendent from > > Windows. > > I know it's bad to say here, but gnome (ubuntu) has not these hungups these > days. > > > Please, help me, I don't want to lose my mail and music and photos... > > thank you in advance. > > Keep your /home safe! ;-) > Thank you, Ciao -- Valter Gnupgp ID: 0xD7274715 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 22:29:33 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:29:33 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112322.06145.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803112250.54576.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <200803112322.06145.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/11, Valter Mura : > Bene! Another question: if I substitute the line, how my pen drives will be > read? They will use, for example, sda2 o sda3 or waht else? > As far as i know the best way to handle removable drives in kubuntu is to not do it in /etc/fstab let HAL do the mounting. Biggest problem with USB drives and mounting them with fstab is you cant be sure they always are on the same device (If you don't set up som rules in UDEV). /Jonas From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 22:51:32 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:51:32 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112322.06145.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803112250.54576.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <200803112322.06145.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803112351.32456.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Tuesday 11 March 2008 23:22:05 Valter Mura wrote: > Bene! Another question: if I substitute the line, how my pen drives will be > read? They will use, for example, sda2 o sda3 or waht else? IANAE, but I'd think it should pick the next one. On the other end I think you'd better follow what Jonas and Nils said about not tampering with fstab. If you have a backup of your old fstab replace your current and try the "force" command line. -- lanzen From kbl at adept-hosting.net Wed Mar 12 00:11:39 2008 From: kbl at adept-hosting.net (kbl at adept-hosting.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:11:39 -0600 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager In-Reply-To: <200803111634.31077.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> <47D47697.6060606@verizon.net> <200803111634.31077.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803111811.39712.kbl@adept-hosting.net> Personally, I deleted KNetworkManager then tried WICD. Didn't like it so I went back to using WLanAssistant. It works great for me and all the machines I administrate. - ken From yuriy-kozlov at kubuntu.org Wed Mar 12 01:31:28 2008 From: yuriy-kozlov at kubuntu.org (Yuriy Kozlov) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:31:28 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Hug Day - 13 March 2008 Message-ID: <714626160803111831g268ac888o64d8b41bc2e9db5e@mail.gmail.com> Hello Kubuntu Lovers, Following with the Desktop Hug Days, Next Thursday, March 13th we'll be celebrating an Amarok Hug Day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080313/KDE Our goal is to deal with all of the bugs on that list. Who can join the Hug Day? Everyone. You don't need to be a developer. You don't need to know to code. Everyone is welcome. If you don't know how to help, then just come and we'll explain you everything. In a Bug Day, you can * work in a nice team, * make sure the bug reporters' concerns are heard, * gather all the information needed so developers can fix bugs, * close useless bugs, * find out where the bugs come from, and eventually * work together with upstream to make changes happen, * get experience in hacking and fixing bugs. Where to join the Hug Day? #ubuntu-bugs on freenode IRC. And you can go there every other day too! When to join the Hug Day? Next hug day is on Thursday, March 13th, 2008 In all timezones. But again, you can go there every day and help with triaging the bug tracking systems. While you are welcome to apply to join the Ubuntu Bug Control team at anytime, Hug Day is a great day to join! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl If you're interested in helping to make the next release of Ubuntu even better - please stop by. And feel free to ask bdmurray, ogasawara, pedro, heno, yuriy and the rest of the team for ways to help out. We hope to see you there and your name on the list of bug triagers! Have a nice day, ~ Yuriy From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 05:36:11 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:36:11 +0200 Subject: Skim? In-Reply-To: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> References: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803120736.12857.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Tuesday, 11 March 2008 22:58:01 Jared Greenwald wrote: > Can someone explain to me what the heck Skim is Here- root at ddm:/home# aptitude search skim ..snip.. i skim - smart common input method platform for KDE root at ddm:/home# aptitude show skim ..snip.. Description: smart common input method platform for KDE skim is KDE frontend for the SCIM input method platform. It provides a GUI panel and a KConfig module. It has its own plugin system that supports on demand loadable actions. Ain't the command line cool :) \d From kassube at gmx.net Wed Mar 12 06:24:12 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:24:12 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112315.48768.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803112131.44521.kassube@gmx.net> <200803112315.48768.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803120724.12645.kassube@gmx.net> Valter Mura wrote: > Il martedì 11 marzo 2008 21:31:44 Nils Kassube ha scritto: > > Valter Mura wrote: > > Why did you use that atime option anyway for all > > your entries? It is at least useless for the cdrom entries. > > Could I safely delete the option "atime" from the entries? I think > something went wrong one day, but I didn't realize I was modifying > something important... :-( Yes. The atime option only makes sense for a native Linux file system like ext3. But it is a default anyway, so you don't need it. > > Reinstalling probably doesn't help. The problem with the external > > drive doesn't go away by reinstalling. Maybe you could automount the > > pendrive again, but that is probably possible if you delete the fstab > > entry for /dev/sda1. I suggest you better stop playing with your > > fstab and use the default. > > Ok. Please send to me the default fstab, if somebody has one. With default fstab I meant the one generated by the installer because it is different for every machine. However, from your original mail I made a file which should be like your original one. I have attached it to prevent line wraps. Before you use it, make a backup of the one you have now, just in case I made an error. > But my > question is: Could I add a new entry to fstab for the external ntfs > hard drive, keeping "untouched" the entry for sda1 (used by the pen > drives)? Something like, for example: /dev/sda2 /media/disk2 ntfs-3g > defaults,force 0 0 ? > > I'm wondering if it is possible to customize only the entry for the > external usb drive, so that Kubuntu could see the drive and the usb > pendrive at the same time. The problem is that you have the same device name for external drives if they are not present simultaneously. The first connected disk is sda, the second is sdb. But fortunately there is a solution. Give the partition of the external disks labels as it is explained at this page . E.g. use NTFSDISK for the external disk and PENDRIVE for the pendrive. Then the entry for your external disk would look like this: LABEL=NTFSDISK /media/ntfsdisk ntfs-3g defaults,force,noauto 0 0 But you should make a directory /media/ntfsdisk before using the external disk. The pendrive should be handled automatically. Nils -------------- next part -------------- # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 # /dev/hda1 UUID=7c6eef04-e3dc-40b4-9203-aca83775170c / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 # /dev/hda5 UUID=a0ace780-418a-4375-b2a3-7f10edab6baf none swap sw 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto,exec 0 0 From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Mar 12 06:41:08 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:41:08 +0200 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <2907487.P9nr4bpc5r@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <2907487.P9nr4bpc5r@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47D77B04.8060802@rmk.co.il> Derek Broughton wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect to >> a pppoe connection. The wired connection works as advertised (beware, if >> your pc/laptop is already configured with a static ip address, then you >> won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I had to stick the >> Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). > > What's with the ?? Of course it won't connect. You can't have two devices > on the network with the same IP, and your WRT would need to use that static > IP address. Of course, the simple solution would have been to just remove > all settings, and Network Manager (actually, dhclient) would have set you > up via DHCP. All our home network is configured using 192.168.0.xx not 192.168.1.xx It would seem that the Linsys router would only 'talk' to a computer that was set up with DHCP. The simpler solution to reconfiguring my computer's ip settings was to stick in the Hardy 'Desktop' CD and run it 'live'. > >> Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to >> connect to the router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and >> KWlan, but wicd says that there are no wireless connections available. > > So why would you uninstall the supported and (mostly) functional network > manager for an unsupported program? I'm not saying that it's a bad idea - > I've finally got frustrated enough with NM to give wicd another try - but > if you know nothing about wireless, jumping in with unsupported software is > a really bad start. For most users, NM works just fine. I returned to using KNetworkManager and it works flawlessly :-) I have yet to try it in a 'roaming' situation... Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Mar 12 06:45:48 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:45:48 +0200 Subject: wireless connection to linksys..-Solved! In-Reply-To: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <47D77C1C.6080106@rmk.co.il> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect to a pppoe connection. > The wired connection works as advertised (beware, if your pc/laptop is already configured > with a static ip address, then you won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I > had to stick the Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). > > Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to connect to the > router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and KWlan, but wicd says that there > are no wireless connections available. > > I really am completely new to wireless and don't really know where to start. > > Do I have to do anything special to the router first? > And how do I get a 'tray icon' for wicd to appear? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > I solved the problem by reinstalling knetworkmanager (it automatically got rid of the others - wicd & kwlan) and followed the intructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty_No-Fluff?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29 Now everything is hunky-dory. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From francisco.borges at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 09:25:53 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:25:53 +0100 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager In-Reply-To: <20080308191654.GB2530@tanqueray.amyl.org.uk> References: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> <20080308191654.GB2530@tanqueray.amyl.org.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Adam McGreggor wrote: > On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 08:08:50AM +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > I recently bought a Dell 1525 Inspiron laptop and am planning on setting up a wireless > > router at home. I would also like to be able to use 'hotspots' and wireless connections at > > friend's homes. > > > > I read on this list that WICD is superior to KNetworkManager. I also read an interesting > > article about WICD [http://www.linux.com/feature/118224] where one of the comments was > > that one should uninstall KNetworkManager as it conflicts with WICD. > > > > Any comments or recommendations/suggestions? > > interfaces(5) and iwlist(8)? > > It certainly was the case that people had significant problems with > those GUI things... > > In the end, I guess it comes down to what you prefer/what works for you. Thanks a lot for the iwlist tip. If there is something I dislike about networkmanager in particular is the complete inability of knowing of what failed when I can't get a connection. Cheers, -- Francisco From francisco.borges at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 09:33:47 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:33:47 +0100 Subject: Skim? In-Reply-To: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> References: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Jared Greenwald wrote: > Can someone explain to me what the heck Skim is and why I need/want > it? I just noticed it showing up in my system tray, but I have no > clue what it is or does. Did you just updated to Hardy? ;-) If so, perhaps you are being hit by this bug in the scim installation during one scim update (skim depends on scim), which would turned it on for all users. The problem is that they can't turn it off, as it would turn it off for people that had meant it to be on. If you think this is your case, the solution can be found here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/199030 HTH, -- Francisco From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 10:15:41 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:15:41 -0400 Subject: Skim? In-Reply-To: References: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860803120315x16cfc4a4wd899845c65f25d5b@mail.gmail.com> Wow, after reading that bug, I'm more pissed off than ever. If there is one thing that gets under my skin more than anything its forcing people to install software they just don't need and never will. I don't speak or write any other languages other than US English, so why should I be forced to install software that assists in writing complex languages. The fact that kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-kde4-desktop both depend on the skim package and the other *-desktop packages depend on scim is a bug in and of itself. Why aren't the deps in the language paks so that only people that use those languages become forced to install them? That would make way more sense than forcing everyone under the sun to install something they will never use. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Francisco Borges wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Jared Greenwald > wrote: > > Can someone explain to me what the heck Skim is and why I need/want > > it? I just noticed it showing up in my system tray, but I have no > > clue what it is or does. > > Did you just updated to Hardy? ;-) > > If so, perhaps you are being hit by this bug in the scim installation > during one scim update (skim depends on scim), which would turned it > on for all users. > > The problem is that they can't turn it off, as it would turn it off > for people that had meant it to be on. > > If you think this is your case, the solution can be found here: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/199030 > > HTH, > -- > Francisco > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From kfulks at knology.net Wed Mar 12 11:50:32 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:50:32 -0500 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <47D77B04.8060802@rmk.co.il> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <2907487.P9nr4bpc5r@cedar.serverforest.com> <47D77B04.8060802@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <47D7C388.6060203@knology.net> I don't use LinkSys routers, but every router that I have seen allows you to change the IP address that it uses. If you change the IP address on the router to 192.168.0., you will be able to use your entire network as you did without changing those addresses. It is always easier to change one address than several, even if you leave the default configuration. You don't have to use DHCP to be able to talk with the router, you just have to be on the same IP network. Nigel Ridley wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Nigel Ridley wrote: >> >>> I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect to >>> a pppoe connection. The wired connection works as advertised (beware, if >>> your pc/laptop is already configured with a static ip address, then you >>> won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I had to stick the >>> Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). >> What's with the ?? Of course it won't connect. You can't have two devices >> on the network with the same IP, and your WRT would need to use that static >> IP address. Of course, the simple solution would have been to just remove >> all settings, and Network Manager (actually, dhclient) would have set you >> up via DHCP. > > All our home network is configured using 192.168.0.xx not 192.168.1.xx > It would seem that the Linsys router would only 'talk' to a computer > that was set up with DHCP. > The simpler solution to reconfiguring my computer's ip settings was to > stick in the Hardy 'Desktop' CD and run it 'live'. > >>> Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to >>> connect to the router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and >>> KWlan, but wicd says that there are no wireless connections available. >> So why would you uninstall the supported and (mostly) functional network >> manager for an unsupported program? I'm not saying that it's a bad idea - >> I've finally got frustrated enough with NM to give wicd another try - but >> if you know nothing about wireless, jumping in with unsupported software is >> a really bad start. For most users, NM works just fine. > > I returned to using KNetworkManager and it works flawlessly :-) > I have yet to try it in a 'roaming' situation... > > Blessings, > > Nigel > -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 12:09:49 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:09:49 +0200 Subject: Skim? In-Reply-To: <2759cf860803120315x16cfc4a4wd899845c65f25d5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> <2759cf860803120315x16cfc4a4wd899845c65f25d5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803121409.49727.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Wow, after reading that bug, I'm more pissed off than ever. I would suspect that KDE & Kubuntu, being written for more than one person, has to cater (at a low level) for all kinds of things. They are a complex weaving of many parts, some of which you may not need, but that's too bad really. It's only that something broke and brought it all to your attention that's to blame, else you would not have known about it. If you don't like it then find a distro that better suits you - perhaps Gentoo? \d From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 12:27:17 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:27:17 +0200 Subject: Skim? In-Reply-To: <200803121409.49727.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> <2759cf860803120315x16cfc4a4wd899845c65f25d5b@mail.gmail.com> <200803121409.49727.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D7CC25.8050504@gmail.com> Donn wrote: >> Wow, after reading that bug, I'm more pissed off than ever. > I would suspect that KDE & Kubuntu, being written for more than one person, > has to cater (at a low level) for all kinds of things. They are a complex > weaving of many parts, some of which you may not need, but that's too bad > really. It's only that something broke and brought it all to your attention > that's to blame, else you would not have known about it. > > If you don't like it then find a distro that better suits you - perhaps > Gentoo? or perhaps avoid using an alpha release given that we are discussing Hardy Heron here and not Gutsy Gibbon or earlier... Sinclair From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 12 12:31:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:31:03 -0300 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager References: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> <47D22ED4.3050300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4759514.3AApxbdmK7@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I recently bought a Dell 1525 Inspiron laptop and am planning on setting >> up a wireless router at home. I would also like to be able to use >> 'hotspots' and wireless connections at friend's homes. >> >> I read on this list that WICD is superior to KNetworkManager. I also read >> an interesting article about WICD [http://www.linux.com/feature/118224] >> where one of the comments was that one should uninstall KNetworkManager >> as it conflicts with WICD. >> >> Any comments or recommendations/suggestions? >> > The WICD installer will normally uninstall Knetworkmanager It will? I had to force it... > for you as it > will otherwise be problems. I prefer WICD over Knetworkmanager for many > reasons, one being the ability to set up and save profiles for wired > networks. I just removed it and reinstalled network-manager. The thing that had been increasingly annoying me about network-manager is that it only occasionally ever attempted to automatically connect to a (previously known) wireless network when it became available. Since I live off-grid, and my power goes out at least once a week - much more at this time of year - my wireless network can often disappear for a while. Well, wicd never tried to reconnect to my _wired_ network when I brought the laptop back into the office, where wicd had already been configured and used. That's just not worth the trouble. -- derek From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 13:00:32 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:00:32 +0200 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager In-Reply-To: <4759514.3AApxbdmK7@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47D22D72.8060706@rmk.co.il> <47D22ED4.3050300@gmail.com> <4759514.3AApxbdmK7@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47D7D3F0.10806@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> I recently bought a Dell 1525 Inspiron laptop and am planning on setting >>> up a wireless router at home. I would also like to be able to use >>> 'hotspots' and wireless connections at friend's homes. >>> >>> I read on this list that WICD is superior to KNetworkManager. I also read >>> an interesting article about WICD [http://www.linux.com/feature/118224] >>> where one of the comments was that one should uninstall KNetworkManager >>> as it conflicts with WICD. >>> >>> Any comments or recommendations/suggestions? >>> >> The WICD installer will normally uninstall Knetworkmanager > > It will? I had to force it... > >> for you as it >> will otherwise be problems. I prefer WICD over Knetworkmanager for many >> reasons, one being the ability to set up and save profiles for wired >> networks. > > I just removed it and reinstalled network-manager. The thing that had been > increasingly annoying me about network-manager is that it only occasionally > ever attempted to automatically connect to a (previously known) wireless > network when it became available. Since I live off-grid, and my power goes > out at least once a week - much more at this time of year - my wireless > network can often disappear for a while. > > Well, wicd never tried to reconnect to my _wired_ network when I brought the > laptop back into the office, where wicd had already been configured and > used. That's just not worth the trouble. Well, I have rather the opposite experience. Whether I set it to ask for what wired config I want or to use a default config it just works. I have very very few problems with wireless configs as well so am happy. And if it removes/removed Networkmanager might depend on the version, it is now on 1.4.2 Sinclair From jpg at gmx.com Wed Mar 12 13:08:59 2008 From: jpg at gmx.com (Jamie Griffin) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:08:59 +0000 Subject: KMail installation problems Message-ID: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Hi I'm not sure what to do: last night, i installed Kubuntu-Desktop using synaptic package manager. Except, KMail appears not to have installed correctly and its not listed in the menu when i open K Menu. I typed kmail on the command line which gave lots of error output. I then opened adept manager, found the KMail application and according to that i do have it installed so something must have gone wrong. Can anyone tell me what i need to do next to fix it? i haven't attempted anything yet because i'm not sure what i'm doing and don't want to add more problems. Thanks in advance. Jamie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 13:29:55 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:29:55 +0200 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Message-ID: <47D7DAD3.9060701@gmail.com> Jamie Griffin wrote: > Hi > > I'm not sure what to do: last night, i installed Kubuntu-Desktop using synaptic package manager. Except, KMail appears not to have installed correctly and its not listed in the menu when i open K Menu. > > I typed kmail on the command line which gave lots of error output. I then opened adept manager, found the KMail application and according to that i do have it installed so something must have gone wrong. > > Can anyone tell me what i need to do next to fix it? i haven't attempted anything yet because i'm not sure what i'm doing and don't want to add more problems. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jamie > Very likely you will find Kontact in "Internet" on the K Menu. That is Kmail + quite a bit more. To get only Kmail someone else will have to assist you though Sinclair From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 12 13:16:17 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:16:17 -0300 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <2907487.P9nr4bpc5r@cedar.serverforest.com> <47D77B04.8060802@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <8830761.UsNCaZAr4J@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Nigel Ridley wrote: >> >>> I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect >>> to a pppoe connection. The wired connection works as advertised (beware, >>> if your pc/laptop is already configured with a static ip address, then >>> you won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I had to stick >>> the Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). >> >> What's with the ?? Of course it won't connect. You can't have two >> devices on the network with the same IP, and your WRT would need to use >> that static >> IP address. Of course, the simple solution would have been to just >> remove all settings, and Network Manager (actually, dhclient) would have >> set you up via DHCP. > > All our home network is configured using 192.168.0.xx not 192.168.1.xx I misread the original post - afterwards it became clear that you didn't have a static IP from your ISP. > It would seem that the Linsys router would only 'talk' to a computer > that was set up with DHCP. Not really. The router will only _talk_ to a computer on the same subnet. Linksys default to using 192.169.1.x, but you could change that. > The simpler solution to reconfiguring my computer's ip settings was to > stick in the Hardy 'Desktop' CD and run it 'live'. Except, that it's not a solution, it's a temporary workaround. The solution is to abolish static IPs and use whatever the Linksys gives you. >> So why would you uninstall the supported and (mostly) functional network >> manager for an unsupported program? I'm not saying that it's a bad idea >> - I've finally got frustrated enough with NM to give wicd another try - Which wasn't worth the trouble... >> but if you know nothing about wireless, jumping in with unsupported >> software is >> a really bad start. For most users, NM works just fine. > > I returned to using KNetworkManager and it works flawlessly :-) Great. I still think network-manager was introduced to Ubuntu before it was ready for prime-time, but it's the "blessed" way to network in Ubuntu, and I wouldn't consider replacing it unless you had problems (as many do...) -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 13:40:54 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:40:54 +0200 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Message-ID: <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I typed kmail on the command line which gave lots of error output. Good move. Can you give us some of that? \d From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 12 13:20:36 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:20:36 -0300 Subject: Skim? References: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> <2759cf860803120315x16cfc4a4wd899845c65f25d5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3147293.cJ0P94di90@cedar.serverforest.com> Jared Greenwald wrote: > Wow, after reading that bug, I'm more pissed off than ever. > > If there is one thing that gets under my skin more than anything its > forcing people to install software they just don't need and never > will. I don't speak or write any other languages other than US > English, so why should I be forced to install software that assists in > writing complex languages. Er, while I agree in the general case, haven't you just installed a BETA (or earlier) distro to get this? > The fact that kubuntu-desktop and > kubuntu-kde4-desktop both depend on the skim package and the other > *-desktop packages depend on scim is a bug in and of itself. No, it isn't. Nobody _needs_ *-desktop. I routinely remove it, and all the stuff I don't want. > > Why aren't the deps in the language paks so that only people that use > those languages become forced to install them? It's pre-release software - so file a bug. It may get dismissed, but it's going to stay in hardy unless people complain. -- derek From jpg at gmx.com Wed Mar 12 13:37:13 2008 From: jpg at gmx.com (Jamie Griffin) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:37:13 +0000 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080312133713.GC6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Sure, it's fairly long so apologies. here it is: kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "move_message_to_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "copy_message_to_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "jump_to_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "jump_to_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "cancel" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "inc_current_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "dec_current_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "select_current_folder" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "inc_current_message" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "dec_current_message" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "select_current_message" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "delete" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "edit" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "use_template" kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel( kacc = 0x8172440 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "display_message" jamie at dell-desktop:~$ WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 3) suspended. WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 2) suspended. WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 1) suspended. WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 4) suspended. jamie at dell-desktop:~$ QObject::disconnect: Unexpected null parameter QObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::activePartChanged( KParts::Part * ) to KHTMLPart::slotActiveFrameChanged( KParts::Part * ) Weaver dtor: destroying inventory. WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 1) destroyed. WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 2) destroyed. WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 3) destroyed. WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 4) destroyed. Weaver dtor: done On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 03:40:54PM +0200, Donn wrote: |> I typed kmail on the command line which gave lots of error output. |Good move. Can you give us some of that? | |\d | |-- |kubuntu-users mailing list |kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com |Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have you tried running kontact, it 'houses' kmail and may be worth a shot. d\ From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 12 13:31:06 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:31:06 -0300 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6478356.fJplfGOtvt@cedar.serverforest.com> Valter Mura wrote: > Hi All, > > I *would* like to definitely solve the issue that bores me since several > months. > > I bought an external dstorage usb disk of 320 Gb. The 1st time I used it > was with Windows and everything went well: Windows recognises it, I can > read and write in it. The file system is "NTFS". > > Now, I've tried many times to access to it from my Linux Kubuntu (7.10 > updated) and I get always this error: > *** > $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0) Normal. You powered off, or hibernated, the Windows system. If I hibernate with Linux it syncs my drives before shutting them down. Windows doesn't seem to. Possibly you then resumed that Windows session _without_ the USB drive connected. > Choice 1: If you have Windows then disconnect the external devices by > clicking on the 'Safely Remove Hardware' icon in the Windows > taskbar then shutdown Windows cleanly. > Choice 2: If you don't have Windows then you can use the 'force' option > for your own responsibility. For example type on the command line: > mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 -o force > Or add the option to the relevant row in the /etc/fstab file: > /dev/sda1 /media/disk1 ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0 I don't think you've been given enough discouragement about option 2. If I'm right, above, you run the risk of leaving your entire NTFS partition _seriously_ corrupted if you mount it for Write, now. Don't do it. If you can't restart the Windows session that this was originally mounted on, you _should_ be able to plug it into a running Windows and run scandisk on it, which will leave it mountable (though perhaps still with corruption). -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 12 13:36:01 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:36:01 -0300 Subject: KMail installation problems References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Message-ID: <1528196.sOGqp3OlR1@cedar.serverforest.com> Jamie Griffin wrote: > Hi > > I'm not sure what to do: last night, i installed Kubuntu-Desktop using > synaptic package manager. Except, KMail appears not to have installed > correctly and its not listed in the menu when i open K Menu. KMail _won't_ appear in the menu, as it's part of kontact (which is under "Office"). > I typed kmail on the command line which gave lots of error output. ... > Can anyone tell me what i need to do next to fix it? Not unless we know what the error is, of course... -- derek From jpg at gmx.com Wed Mar 12 13:50:09 2008 From: jpg at gmx.com (Jamie Griffin) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:50:09 +0000 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <200803121551.05942.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312133713.GC6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121551.05942.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> I have opened Kontact as suggested and Kmail is there and working, so maybe there is no problem? Is Kmail not installed as a seperate program then? (sorry if that seems a dumb question) ... i just assumed it would be, as Evolution is on 'Ubuntu' Jamie On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 03:51:05PM +0200, Donn wrote: |On Wednesday, 12 March 2008 15:37:13 Jamie Griffin wrote: |> Sure, it's fairly long so apologies. here it is: |Yikes! Calling up all my code-foo and my awesome Jedi powers I have to say: |WTF? | |Sorry, thought I might get a clue. Have you tried running kontact, it 'houses' |kmail and may be worth a shot. | | |d\ | |-- |kubuntu-users mailing list |kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com |Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 13:56:46 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:56:46 -0500 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312133713.GC6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121551.05942.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Message-ID: <47D7E11E.2020102@gmail.com> Jamie Griffin wrote: > I have opened Kontact as suggested and Kmail is there and working, so maybe there is no problem? Is Kmail not installed as a seperate program then? (sorry if that seems a dumb question) ... i just assumed it would be, as Evolution is on 'Ubuntu' > Kmail is in fact a separate entity. As someone said, Kontact is more of a "wrapper" for Kmail, Korganizer, etc. If Kmail wouldn't start on it's own, I'm not surprised that it wouldn't start in Kontact. Sorry I can't really be of more help. -p. From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 12 13:32:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:32:54 -0300 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803112131.44521.kassube@gmx.net> <200803112315.48768.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2909430.oiOMfDalGL@cedar.serverforest.com> Valter Mura wrote: > Il martedì 11 marzo 2008 21:31:44 Nils Kassube ha scritto: >> Valter Mura wrote: >> > >> > I CANNOT use the choice one. >> >> Why not? Don't you have Windows any more? Then you should better use ext3 >> instead of NTFS. Using NTFS is only useful if you want to use that disk >> with Windows as well. > > Because Windows doesn't allow me to remove safely the the usb drive, I > don't know why > If you can _mount_ the drive in Windows, do a complete shutdown/restart, _then_ you should be able to "safely remove" it. -- derek From francisco.borges at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 13:59:29 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:59:29 +0100 Subject: Skim? In-Reply-To: <2759cf860803120315x16cfc4a4wd899845c65f25d5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> <2759cf860803120315x16cfc4a4wd899845c65f25d5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Jared Greenwald wrote: > If there is one thing that gets under my skin more than anything its > forcing people to install software they just don't need and never > will. I don't speak or write any other languages other than US > English, so why should I be forced to install software that assists in > writing complex languages. The fact that kubuntu-desktop and > kubuntu-kde4-desktop both depend on the skim package and the other > *-desktop packages depend on scim is a bug in and of itself. I would guess that putting this as a dependency is to be able to assure a better integration of it in general. The point I guess is to add a feature to the system that says that one can always have unicode input whenever you have a *-desktop installed. Other than that, micro managing dependencies can be time consuming and problematic. > Why aren't the deps in the language paks so that only people that use > those languages become forced to install them? That would make way > more sense than forcing everyone under the sun to install something > they will never use. As to adding a dependency with the language packs, that would not work. Your assumption that a user will want to install the language pack for all languages he is going to type into is wrong. I write emails/chat/text/etc in 3 different languages, but I only have 1 language pack installed, as I really don't want to have full LOCALE, man pages, html documentation, and what not for all these languages. I only want to type, and check spelling in these languages. [...] But I do reckon that that was a rather annoying bug, mostly because they can't turn it off, there is a "Quit' button that simply will not allow you to quit it, and no config option in "System settings" to turn off either. Cheers, -- Francisco From jpg at gmx.com Wed Mar 12 14:01:25 2008 From: jpg at gmx.com (Jamie Griffin) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:01:25 +0000 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <47D7E11E.2020102@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312133713.GC6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121551.05942.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <47D7E11E.2020102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080312140125.GE6471@dell-desktop.example.com> It has been helpful, thanks. Although, It is working when i open Kontact, but there is no seperate, Kmail application. Is that how it should be? Jamie On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 08:56:46AM -0500, p.daniels wrote: |Jamie Griffin wrote: |> I have opened Kontact as suggested and Kmail is there and working, so maybe there is no problem? Is Kmail not installed as a seperate program then? (sorry if that seems a dumb question) ... i just assumed it would be, as Evolution is on 'Ubuntu' |> |Kmail is in fact a separate entity. As someone said, Kontact is more of |a "wrapper" for Kmail, Korganizer, etc. If Kmail wouldn't start on it's |own, I'm not surprised that it wouldn't start in Kontact. Sorry I can't |really be of more help. | |-p. | |-- |kubuntu-users mailing list |kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com |Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 14:10:11 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:10:11 +0200 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312133713.GC6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121551.05942.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Message-ID: <47D7E443.5000308@gmail.com> Jamie Griffin wrote: > I have opened Kontact as suggested and Kmail is there and working, so maybe there is no problem? Is Kmail not installed as a seperate program then? (sorry if that seems a dumb question) ... i just assumed it would be, as Evolution is on 'Ubuntu' > In Kubuntu you get the whole "kde-pim" Kontact of which Kmail is a part. I am sure there IS a way of installing or starting only Kmail but am not able to help you out there. And trying to run a KDE from command line can give quite some weird results. You might want to try ALT+F2 and then type Kmail in the window that comes up. Just for the sake of it... but unless you are really uncomfy running Kontact just set it to always open in the Mail component (Settings, Kontact) and then use only that part. Sinclair From ejviolet at yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 14:12:51 2008 From: ejviolet at yahoo.com (Earl Violet) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager In-Reply-To: <4759514.3AApxbdmK7@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <777741.2025.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Derek Broughton wrote: > The thing that > had been > increasingly annoying me about network-manager is that it only > occasionally > ever attempted to automatically connect to a (previously known) > wireless > network when it became available. Since I live off-grid, and my > power goes > out at least once a week - much more at this time of year - my > wireless > network can often disappear for a while. Interesting Derek but that was the reason I went to wicd. It didn't automatically connect. Earl URL http://deserthowler.cjb.net Instant messenger: earlcoyote ICQ:64033496 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From jpg at gmx.com Wed Mar 12 14:19:37 2008 From: jpg at gmx.com (Jamie Griffin) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:19:37 +0000 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <47D7E443.5000308@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312133713.GC6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121551.05942.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <47D7E443.5000308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080312141937.GF6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Ok, thanks very much, that's really helpful. Clearly, i've misunderstood how the application should work & sorry if i've wasted anyones time. I appreciate all of your help. Jamie On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 04:10:11PM +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: |Jamie Griffin wrote: |> I have opened Kontact as suggested and Kmail is there and working, so maybe there is no problem? Is Kmail not installed as a seperate program then? (sorry if that seems a dumb question) ... i just assumed it would be, as Evolution is on 'Ubuntu' |> |In Kubuntu you get the whole "kde-pim" Kontact of which Kmail is a part. |I am sure there IS a way of installing or starting only Kmail but am not |able to help you out there. | |And trying to run a KDE from command line can give quite some weird |results. You might want to try ALT+F2 and then type Kmail in the window |that comes up. Just for the sake of it... but unless you are really |uncomfy running Kontact just set it to always open in the Mail component |(Settings, Kontact) and then use only that part. | |Sinclair | |-- |kubuntu-users mailing list |kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com |Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Mar 12 14:25:03 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:25:03 +0200 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <47D7C388.6060203@knology.net> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <2907487.P9nr4bpc5r@cedar.serverforest.com> <47D77B04.8060802@rmk.co.il> <47D7C388.6060203@knology.net> Message-ID: <47D7E7BF.7050109@rmk.co.il> Kelly L. Fulks wrote: > I don't use LinkSys routers, but every router that I have seen allows > you to change the IP address that it uses. If you change the IP address > on the router to 192.168.0., you will be able to use your > entire network as you did without changing those addresses. It is > always easier to change one address than several, even if you leave the > default configuration. You don't have to use DHCP to be able to talk > with the router, you just have to be on the same IP network. > But, the catch was that I couldn't connect to the router using 192.168.1.1 from my statically assigned 192.168.0.xx box in order to change the ip address of the router - I had to use a 'live' CD with DHCP in order to access the router to begin with. > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> >>>> I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect to >>>> a pppoe connection. The wired connection works as advertised (beware, if >>>> your pc/laptop is already configured with a static ip address, then you >>>> won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I had to stick the >>>> Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). >>> What's with the ?? Of course it won't connect. You can't have two devices >>> on the network with the same IP, and your WRT would need to use that static >>> IP address. Of course, the simple solution would have been to just remove >>> all settings, and Network Manager (actually, dhclient) would have set you >>> up via DHCP. >> All our home network is configured using 192.168.0.xx not 192.168.1.xx >> It would seem that the Linsys router would only 'talk' to a computer >> that was set up with DHCP. >> The simpler solution to reconfiguring my computer's ip settings was to >> stick in the Hardy 'Desktop' CD and run it 'live'. >> >>>> Anyway, I now want to be able to set up my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop to >>>> connect to the router. I installed wicd and removed KNetworkManager and >>>> KWlan, but wicd says that there are no wireless connections available. >>> So why would you uninstall the supported and (mostly) functional network >>> manager for an unsupported program? I'm not saying that it's a bad idea - >>> I've finally got frustrated enough with NM to give wicd another try - but >>> if you know nothing about wireless, jumping in with unsupported software is >>> a really bad start. For most users, NM works just fine. >> I returned to using KNetworkManager and it works flawlessly :-) >> I have yet to try it in a 'roaming' situation... >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> > > -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Mar 12 14:27:07 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:27:07 +0200 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop In-Reply-To: <8830761.UsNCaZAr4J@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <2907487.P9nr4bpc5r@cedar.serverforest.com> <47D77B04.8060802@rmk.co.il> <8830761.UsNCaZAr4J@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47D7E83B.2070805@rmk.co.il> Derek Broughton wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> >>>> I just got my Linksys WRT54GL delivered today and set it up to connect >>>> to a pppoe connection. The wired connection works as advertised (beware, >>>> if your pc/laptop is already configured with a static ip address, then >>>> you won't be able to connect using http://192.168.1.1 - I had to stick >>>> the Hardy live CD in and then it connected!!??). >>> What's with the ?? Of course it won't connect. You can't have two >>> devices on the network with the same IP, and your WRT would need to use >>> that static >>> IP address. Of course, the simple solution would have been to just >>> remove all settings, and Network Manager (actually, dhclient) would have >>> set you up via DHCP. >> All our home network is configured using 192.168.0.xx not 192.168.1.xx > > I misread the original post - afterwards it became clear that you didn't > have a static IP from your ISP. > >> It would seem that the Linsys router would only 'talk' to a computer >> that was set up with DHCP. > > Not really. The router will only _talk_ to a computer on the same subnet. > Linksys default to using 192.169.1.x, but you could change that. Only by being able to access the router to begin with - which required a box set up with DHCP. > >> The simpler solution to reconfiguring my computer's ip settings was to >> stick in the Hardy 'Desktop' CD and run it 'live'. > > Except, that it's not a solution, it's a temporary workaround. The solution > is to abolish static IPs and use whatever the Linksys gives you. Which is what I am doing on my laptop now. > >>> So why would you uninstall the supported and (mostly) functional network >>> manager for an unsupported program? I'm not saying that it's a bad idea >>> - I've finally got frustrated enough with NM to give wicd another try - > > Which wasn't worth the trouble... > >>> but if you know nothing about wireless, jumping in with unsupported >>> software is >>> a really bad start. For most users, NM works just fine. >> I returned to using KNetworkManager and it works flawlessly :-) > > Great. I still think network-manager was introduced to Ubuntu before it was > ready for prime-time, but it's the "blessed" way to network in Ubuntu, and > I wouldn't consider replacing it unless you had problems (as many do...) Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 14:29:14 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:29:14 -0500 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <20080312140125.GE6471@dell-desktop.example.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312133713.GC6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121551.05942.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <47D7E11E.2020102@gmail.com> <20080312140125.GE6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Message-ID: <47D7E8BA.4060101@gmail.com> Jamie Griffin wrote: > It has been helpful, thanks. Although, It is working when i open Kontact, but there is no seperate, Kmail application. Is that how it should be? > > Jamie > No. I'm not at home right now, so I'll try to confirm this tonight (also, I'm running KDE4, so my results may not even help you), but I remember being able to run all the various Kontact components separately. I could have sworn they used to have individual menu entries as well, although this may no longer be the case. -p. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 14:36:15 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:36:15 +0200 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <20080312141937.GF6471@dell-desktop.example.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <47D7E443.5000308@gmail.com> <20080312141937.GF6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Message-ID: <200803121636.15886.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Ok, thanks very much, that's really helpful. Clearly, i've misunderstood > how the application should work & sorry if i've wasted anyones time. No waste of time really. You did the right stuff. It *should* run from the command line as 'kmail' in small letters. I do that all the time. \d From j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk Wed Mar 12 14:31:36 2008 From: j_e_n_pub at yahoo.dk (Johnny Ernst Nielsen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:31:36 +0100 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <20080312133713.GC6471@dell-desktop.example.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312133713.GC6471@dell-desktop.example.com> Message-ID: <200803121531.36674.j_e_n_pub@yahoo.dk> onsdag den 12. Marts 2008 kvad Jamie Griffin: > I typed kmail on the command line which gave lots of error output. >[SNIP kmail error output on cli] Greetings Jamie. Notice that you only get warnings, no errors. I get the same, and my kmail works just fine. Best regards :o) Johnny :o) From turgon at mike-leone.com Wed Mar 12 14:40:08 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:40:08 -0400 Subject: Skim? In-Reply-To: <200803120736.12857.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <2759cf860803111358w5ffe8c0ek5f89e10971ee8e60@mail.gmail.com> <200803120736.12857.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/12/08, Donn wrote: > On Tuesday, 11 March 2008 22:58:01 Jared Greenwald wrote: > > Can someone explain to me what the heck Skim is > > Here- > > root at ddm:/home# aptitude search skim > ..snip.. > i skim - smart common input method platform for KDE > > root at ddm:/home# aptitude show skim > ..snip.. > Description: smart common input method platform for KDE > skim is KDE frontend for the SCIM input method platform. It provides a GUI > panel and a KConfig module. It has its own plugin system that supports on > demand loadable actions. > > Ain't the command line cool :) Yeah. But it still doesn't tell me (at least) what it's there for. It's a GUI to configure SCIM; fine. But what's SCIM, and what can it do for me? That at least should be mentioned in the description, even if a 1 line version of what SCIM is for. But I digress ... From jpg at gmx.com Wed Mar 12 15:42:30 2008 From: jpg at gmx.com (Jamie Griffin) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:42:30 +0000 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <47D7E8BA.4060101@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121540.54384.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312133713.GC6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121551.05942.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <47D7E11E.2020102@gmail.com> <20080312140125.GE6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <47D7E8BA.4060101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080312154230.GA8488@dell-desktop.example.com> Thanks everyone much appreciated. Jamie On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 09:29:14AM -0500, p.daniels wrote: |Jamie Griffin wrote: |> It has been helpful, thanks. Although, It is working when i open Kontact, but there is no seperate, Kmail application. Is that how it should be? |> |> Jamie |> |No. I'm not at home right now, so I'll try to confirm this tonight |(also, I'm running KDE4, so my results may not even help you), but I |remember being able to run all the various Kontact components |separately. I could have sworn they used to have individual menu entries |as well, although this may no longer be the case. | |-p. | |-- |kubuntu-users mailing list |kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com |Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lanzenesi at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 17:43:21 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:43:21 +0100 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <200803121636.15886.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <20080312141937.GF6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121636.15886.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803121843.21439.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Wednesday 12 March 2008 15:36:15 Donn wrote: > It *should* run from the > command line as 'kmail' in small letters. I do that all the time. Like in alt+space ->kmai... Anybody still using katapult these days? -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 18:00:55 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:00:55 +0100 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <47D7E443.5000308@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <47D7E443.5000308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803121900.56099.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Wednesday 12 March 2008 15:10:11 O. Sinclair wrote: > You might want to try ALT+F2 and then type Kmail in the window > that comes up. Just for the sake of it... but unless you are really > uncomfy running Kontact just set it to always open in the Mail component > (Settings, Kontact) and then use only that part. But that's real strange. I have a kmail entry in my menu. I seem to remember adding it long time ago, it's still there and clicking on it launches kmail standalone. Same thing happens if I launch kmail in alt+F2 or katapult. But if I launch kmail in konsole, well the output is similar to what Jamie sees. Still kmail works fine... -- lanzen From bill at wjm1a.com Wed Mar 12 20:29:40 2008 From: bill at wjm1a.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:29:40 -0400 Subject: Terminal Mode Only Message-ID: My son was playing with my newly installed Kubuntu Gutsy KDE4 machine. He says he remembers something about a Daemon statement and then the machine rebooted. Since it came back up, we only have Terminal mode. No graphical interface. I can see an initial Kubuntu splash screen. But from the logon prompt on-ward, its only terminal mode. I've tried the: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command. The computer responded with xserver-xorg Broken or Not Completely Installed. So my next move was the: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg command. The Computer then installed xserver-xorg without any errors. I went back to: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and the xserver-xorg ASCII menus took me through quite a number of questions from Mouse, to Monitor. It told me it was writing a configuration file. I thought I was good to go.... But, (as Gilder Radner said) "It just goes to show ya, it's always something". I still have no graphics and I'm in terminal (konsole) mode. The latest time, I rebooted, I noticed the following error: kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot... Any thoughts what I can try next? Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From T.Six at gmx.de Wed Mar 12 21:32:14 2008 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:32:14 +0100 Subject: Terminal Mode Only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill wrote the following on 12.03.2008 21:29 > The latest time, I rebooted, I noticed the following error: kinit: No > resume image, doing normal boot... That's absolutly normal - read as this is not your problem. Can you post the content of /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? > Any thoughts what I can try next? > > Bill -- bye Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From francisco.borges at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 21:37:02 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:37:02 +0100 Subject: Terminal Mode Only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Bill, I would first try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop. Just aptitude install kubuntu-desktop Should do. That is just to be sure you have everything you should have installed. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Bill wrote: > My son was playing with my newly installed Kubuntu Gutsy KDE4 machine. He > says he remembers something about a Daemon statement and then the machine > rebooted. You should try to read the boot logs, and the Xorg logs. This should show the boot logs: dmesg | less The Xorg logs are at /var/log/Xorg.0.log So just use less /var/log/Xorg.0.log That should at least allow you to find the actual message of what is going wrong. [...] > The latest time, I rebooted, I noticed the following error: kinit: No resume > image, doing normal boot... That is just a message saying that you are not resuming from a "Hibernate" option. Nothing wrong with it. Cheers, -- Francisco From kevinjns5 at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 00:17:51 2008 From: kevinjns5 at gmail.com (Kevin Jones) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:17:51 -0500 Subject: easy install for linksys wireless card Message-ID: <47D872AF.2020904@gmail.com> Hello all, I have a Linksys WUSB 54 G ver. 4 wireless router. I have KDE ubuntu 7.10. Can anyone tell me of an easy way to get the wireless card to work. I have searched the web and looked at NDIS wrappers. the instructions for this are little beyond me. Most particularly I do not want to download and install anything that does not work and later proves to be an obstacle. I have an ethernet connection on a different pc in another room, and router is also linksys. does any one have any suggestions? Kevin Jones From tomrood1 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 00:18:37 2008 From: tomrood1 at yahoo.com (Tom R) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: kmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jamie, The discussion didn't seem to cover how to add an item to the KDE Menu though it would seem that it was the obvious answer to your problem. I'm using kubuntu 8.04 alpha 2 KDE 3.5.9 with updates. Kmail is not in the menu though it does start correctly from konsole (i.e., kmail). You can add it to your menu if you like by right clicking the K menu icon, selecting Menu Editor then selecting New Item from the File menu. Also, if you've got a bad configuration of kmail, you can get rid of it by deleting the following files/folders: /home//.kde/share/config/kmail.eventsrc /home//.kde/share/config/kmailrc /home//.kde/share/apps/kmail Once they are gone, kmail should start to the configuration wizard. Thomas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cms0009 at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 06:12:36 2008 From: cms0009 at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:12:36 -0400 Subject: Konqueror (History) shutting off Message-ID: <200803130212.36762.cms0009@gmail.com> In Konqueror when selecting the url box or search engine box, typing in a word of url address, it would fill in the rest of the url or text.. right clicking there in the url box a "clear history" in the contextual menus, where is that data coming from? since History is off in Konqueror settings... Does Konqueror have two history files? Thanks - Richard From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 06:47:03 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:47:03 +0200 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <200803121843.21439.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <20080312141937.GF6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121636.15886.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803121843.21439.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D8CDE7.9060708@gmail.com> lanzen wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 15:36:15 Donn wrote: > >> It *should* run from the >> command line as 'kmail' in small letters. I do that all the time. > > Like in alt+space ->kmai... > > Anybody still using katapult these days? > More and more, thanks to this list. Did not even know the thing existed until a discussion here some months ago... Sinclair From lanzenesi at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 07:57:02 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:57:02 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <6478356.fJplfGOtvt@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <6478356.fJplfGOtvt@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803130857.02658.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Wednesday 12 March 2008 14:31:06 Derek Broughton wrote: > If you can't restart the Windows session that this was originally mounted > on, you _should_ be able to plug it into a running Windows and run scandisk > on it, which will leave it mountable (though perhaps still with > corruption).   Would that mean going back (date & time) to the window session when that started? Or just, as you previously said: "If you can _mount_ the drive in Windows, do a complete shutdown/restart..." And how about plugging in the disk and turn it on if self powered, then boot into win? -- lanzen From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Thu Mar 13 10:06:38 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:06:38 +0000 Subject: easy install for linksys wireless card In-Reply-To: <47D872AF.2020904@gmail.com> References: <47D872AF.2020904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080313100759.EFF5212880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> At 00:17 13/03/2008, you wrote: >Hello all, >I have a Linksys WUSB 54 G ver. 4 >wireless router. I have KDE ubuntu 7.10. >Can anyone tell me of an easy way to get the wireless card to work. I >have searched the web and looked at NDIS wrappers. the instructions for >this are little beyond me. Most particularly I do not want to download >and install anything that does not work and later proves to be an >obstacle. I have an ethernet connection on a different pc in another >room, and router is also linksys. >does any one have any suggestions? > >Kevin Jones I got a BlueNext USB dongle going with Gutsy and ndiswrapper. My main problem was that I didn't know which of the driver files to pick from the supplied CD. Having no idea how to find out which one to pick, I'm afraid I loaded the driver CD into an XP box then plugged in the USB dongle, and let the windoze installer run far enough to show me which driver it had picked, wrote down the name, then cancelled it. Went back to the laptop with Gutsy, copied off the driver I needed from the CD, and told ndiswrapper to use the copy, which worked. I've not had chance to actually connect it to a WiFi network because I don't have one at home, but the BlueNext dongle immediately discovered some BT home hubs in the vicinity when I plugged it into a box with Hardy Alpha, so if you can wait a couple of weeks for things to stabilise you might not have to mess with ndiswrapper at all. Dave From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Mar 13 10:55:58 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:55:58 -0500 Subject: easy install for linksys wireless card In-Reply-To: <47D872AF.2020904@gmail.com> References: <47D872AF.2020904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803130655.59044.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 12 March 2008 8:17:51 pm Kevin Jones wrote: > Hello all, > I have a Linksys WUSB 54 G ver. 4 > wireless router. I have KDE ubuntu 7.10. > Can anyone tell me of an easy way to get the wireless card to work. I > have searched the web and looked at NDIS wrappers. the instructions for > this are little beyond me. Most particularly I do not want to download > and install anything that does not work and later proves to be an > obstacle. I have an ethernet connection on a different pc in another > room, and router is also linksys. > does any one have any suggestions? using ndiswrapper is actually easy. Get your driver and save it somewhere then type in console: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper-utils sudo ndiswrapper -i sudo depmod -a sudo modprobe ndiswrapper Everything should work now. -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Thu Mar 13 11:14:58 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:14:58 -0500 Subject: Terminal Mode Only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803130714.59393.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 12 March 2008 5:37:02 pm Francisco Borges wrote: > Hello Bill, > > I would first try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop. Just > > aptitude install kubuntu-desktop > > Should do. That is just to be sure you have everything you should have > installed. After you try this, if it doesn't work, Here is a trick I do, I go into /etc/X11 you should see files xorg.conf~, xorg.conf.1, xorg.conf.2 etc, etc. rename your xorg.conf to one of the files with a number, usually 1 will do, then restart your xserver, if that don't work try another. the lower numbers are the most recent. When I do this, I always take the xorg.conf and rename it xorg.conf.bak and then rename one of the other xorg.conf.1 or 2 etc etc files to xorg.conf. Once you find the one that was working, back it up ie: cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak.saved -- David M. From teeahr1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 12:29:57 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:29:57 -0500 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803130857.02658.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <6478356.fJplfGOtvt@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803130857.02658.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803130729.57279.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 March 2008 02:57:02 lanzen wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 14:31:06 Derek Broughton wrote: > > If you can't restart the Windows session that this was originally mounted > > on, you _should_ be able to plug it into a running Windows and run > > scandisk on it, which will leave it mountable (though perhaps still with > > corruption).   > > Would that mean going back (date & time) to the window session when that > started? Or just, as you previously said: "If you can _mount_ the drive in > Windows, do a complete shutdown/restart..." > > And how about plugging in the disk and turn it on if self powered, then > boot into win? > > -- > lanzen If you shut Windows down with the pendrive mounted, it should unmount it during shutdown. Try mounting it in Linux then. -p. From mspinthiras at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 12:59:37 2008 From: mspinthiras at gmail.com (Mario Spinthiras) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:59:37 +0200 Subject: Terminal Mode Only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bill, Do you mind telling us what runlevel you are in? -- Warm Regards, Mario A. Spinthiras Nicosia , Cyprus Blog: http://www.spinthiras.net Mail: mspinthiras at gmail.com Skype: smario125 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 13 13:41:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:41:54 -0300 Subject: kmail References: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3277333.C33inLuCTu@cedar.serverforest.com> Tom R wrote: > Jamie, > > The discussion didn't seem to cover how to add an item > to the KDE Menu though it would seem that it was the > obvious answer to your problem. It 's NOT the obvious answer to his problem, though. KMail isn't _supposed_ to have a menu entry, but in any case, if he can't run it from the console, he can't run it from a menu. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 13 13:44:01 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:44:01 -0300 Subject: WICD and KNetworkManager References: <4759514.3AApxbdmK7@cedar.serverforest.com> <777741.2025.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13112968.02VUdchpaM@cedar.serverforest.com> Earl Violet wrote: > > --- Derek Broughton wrote: > >> The thing that had been >> increasingly annoying me about network-manager is that it only >> occasionally >> ever attempted to automatically connect to a (previously known) >> wireless >> network when it became available. Since I live off-grid, and my >> power goes >> out at least once a week - much more at this time of year - my >> wireless network can often disappear for a while. > > Interesting Derek but that was the reason I went to wicd. It didn't > automatically connect. And Wicd promises to do that better, and for most people it seems to - it just didn't for me. I don't get it, but as long as I've got to fight with one app or the other to get it to work properly, I'd prefer to stick to the Ubuntu supported one. -- derek From lanzenesi at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 13:54:24 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:54:24 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803112223.17678.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803112131.44521.kassube@gmx.net> <200803112223.17678.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803131454.24331.lanzenesi@gmail.com> I've found the solution, while I was righting this mail, at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/194474 I'll send it all the same as it might explain what it is about and might help others. Just one thing: please don't tell me that what I've found could have worked earlier on in 3.5.8 or I'll smash me head against my room's walls. :-D When I think of all the times I had to use a forcing command line and the answer was so close... On Tuesday 11 March 2008 22:23:17 lanzen wrote: > Unfortunately, at least since I've upgraded to kde 3.5.9 - and I think > there's also been a upgrade on ntfs-3g - some new ugly problems are facing > up. So, here I am back to try a little brain storming on this problem that has come out since I upgraded to kde 3.5.9. I hope this will eventually help Valter, too. This is my usb external drive and how it shows with "sudo fdisk -l". Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 64 199270260 99635098+ 7 HPFS/NTFS Partition 1 does not end to the limit of the cylinder. /dev/sda2 586099396 586099396 0+ 83 Linux /dev/sda3 199270261 586099395 193414567+ 5 Extended Partition 3 does not end to the limit of the cylinder. /dev/sda5 199270324 586099395 193414536 83 Linux Just a little note: konsole did not revert to English when I changed kubuntu default locale, so the above strings are translated I don't know to what degree of accuracy. When I was in kde 3.5.8, plugging in the disk would show two dolphin windows popping out. One would show the linux partition mounted and ready to be used, the other one would not show anything, but a warning saying that the disk could not be mounted on behalf of uid 1000, if I remember well. At this point issuing the "sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/disk-1 -o force" command would fix things for the running session. Unmounting would partially work, too. Like the disk would be unmounted but not expelled: the icons would linger. Now, on kde 3.5.9, if I plug in this disk the only thing that happens is that shortly after kded takes up all the cpu spinning it at 100%. No automounting, nothing appears in Storage Media (via menu bar) not even the other partition from the machine disk or any already connected pens, nor in dolphin, nor in Konqueror (media:/). A little bit later all system becomes unstable, if not locked and even logging out becomes difficult. RSEIUB becomes really the main way out. But... if before booting in kubuntu I remember to plug in my drive and turn it on and then start my computer, everything works. I can open /media, find all my disks, pens and drives, and mount the disk like wonder. Of course, I think this might be a feature, both partitions get mounted even if I only mount one. Unmounting is pretty much the same as I had previously in 3.5.8. Umount works, but ejecting doesn't. Anyway I can mount and unmount anytime I want now. I'm stopping here. No more to add and I've found a solution. -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 13:58:09 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:58:09 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803130729.57279.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803130857.02658.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <200803130729.57279.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803131458.09842.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 March 2008 13:29:57 p.daniels wrote: > If you shut Windows down with the pendrive mounted, it should unmount it > during shutdown. Try mounting it in Linux then. Ok, that's clearer now, thank you. -- lanzen From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 13 13:47:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:47:27 -0300 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <6478356.fJplfGOtvt@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803130857.02658.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9810753.11Pe8A9Gr8@cedar.serverforest.com> lanzen wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 14:31:06 Derek Broughton wrote: > >> If you can't restart the Windows session that this was originally mounted >> on, you _should_ be able to plug it into a running Windows and run >> scandisk on it, which will leave it mountable (though perhaps still with >> corruption). > > Would that mean going back (date & time) to the window session when that > started? Or just, as you previously said: "If you can _mount_ the drive in > Windows, do a complete shutdown/restart..." The thing is, if you've taken a drive that was not properly dismounted from Windows, then that Windows session has buffers that were never written to disk. If you then restarted Windows without it, I would expect those buffers to get lost. If you have the actual hibernated session where the disk was mounted, _that_ is where the disk needs to be connected first. > And how about plugging in the disk and turn it on if self powered, then > boot into win? Windows should have the same problem Linux does - it should see the drive as being in need of a scandisk, and _should_ ask to do it automatically. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 13 13:52:16 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:52:16 -0300 Subject: KMail installation problems References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <20080312141937.GF6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121636.15886.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803121843.21439.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1380415.cNv2r2akFZ@cedar.serverforest.com> lanzen wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 15:36:15 Donn wrote: > >> It *should* run from the >> command line as 'kmail' in small letters. I do that all the time. > > Like in alt+space ->kmai... > > Anybody still using katapult these days? > A little. I'm still unconvinced it's "better" than alt-f2 - it sometimes wants to do things that _aren't_ what I want :-) So if I know the name, I'll use alt-F2, and if I _think_ I know it I'll try katapult -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 13 13:58:36 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:58:36 -0300 Subject: wireless connection to linksys from Inspiron laptop References: <47D59701.7040701@rmk.co.il> <2907487.P9nr4bpc5r@cedar.serverforest.com> <47D77B04.8060802@rmk.co.il> <8830761.UsNCaZAr4J@cedar.serverforest.com> <47D7E83B.2070805@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <2553696.YMLAWCpy1c@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> I misread the original post - afterwards it became clear that you didn't >> have a static IP from your ISP. You know - I really should have prefaced that sentence with "Sorry". Sorry. :-) >> >>> It would seem that the Linsys router would only 'talk' to a computer >>> that was set up with DHCP. >> >> Not really. The router will only _talk_ to a computer on the same >> subnet. Linksys default to using 192.169.1.x, but you could change that. > > Only by being able to access the router to begin with - which required a > box set up with DHCP. Another good reason for not having static IPs on your net in the first place - but I thought your wired connection had worked? Generally you want to do your router set up from a wired connection anyway, as it's not uncommon to leave yourself without router access when you're configuring over the air :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 13 13:50:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:50:31 -0300 Subject: KMail installation problems References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <20080312135009.GD6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <47D7E443.5000308@gmail.com> <200803121900.56099.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1286196.mHunNHeXma@cedar.serverforest.com> lanzen wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 15:10:11 O. Sinclair wrote: > >> You might want to try ALT+F2 and then type Kmail in the window >> that comes up. Just for the sake of it... but unless you are really >> uncomfy running Kontact just set it to always open in the Mail component >> (Settings, Kontact) and then use only that part. > > But that's real strange. I have a kmail entry in my menu. I seem to > remember adding it long time ago, it's still there and clicking on it > launches kmail standalone. Same thing happens if I launch kmail in alt+F2 > or katapult. Sure, you can do that - but kontact swallows kmail if it's already running. You can't start a new session of kmail or akregator or any of the other kontact komponents if kontact is running. -- derek From lanzenesi at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 14:17:17 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:17:17 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <9810753.11Pe8A9Gr8@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803130857.02658.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <9810753.11Pe8A9Gr8@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803131517.18215.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 March 2008 14:47:27 Derek Broughton wrote: > The thing is, if you've taken a drive that was not properly dismounted from > Windows, then that Windows session has buffers that were never written to > disk.  If you then restarted Windows without it, I would expect those > buffers to get lost.  If you have the actual hibernated session where the > disk was mounted, _that_ is where the disk needs to be connected first. So if too much time has passed since that session, there's nothing much to do. I remember seeing that warning soon after I started using Linux and in two occasions. I remember doing the scandisk now at least on the first time it happened, but not sure about the second. That warning about unmounting in windows still came out, so the cause might have been somewhere else. Luckily I haven't lost anything. And now I'm happy I've found a solution to my other problem. Free bear to everyone in the list! Er... well... if you all can came and get it at my place, that is! ;) Thanx -- lanzen From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Mar 13 14:26:55 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:26:55 +0200 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update Message-ID: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> I know - it's alpha stuff and you need to expect these things..... OK, I did 'Full Upgrade' using Adept and it said there were a few problems with downloading some things. So I waited a bit and tried again. This time it downloaded (some libc 6 - or something similar) and started the install process which finished with an error. Now I can't boot normally and even in recovery mode, regardless of which kernel I choose, I get to: Check root= bootarg cat /proc.cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long_string_of_alphanumeric_stuff does not exist. Dropping to a shell! BusyBox v1.1.3 9Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. (initramfs) Any hope of an easy solution - or is it a reinstall....? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From turgon at mike-leone.com Thu Mar 13 14:36:43 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:36:43 -0400 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: On 3/13/08, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I know - it's alpha stuff and you need to expect these things..... With a release date of only a few weeks away, I wold have thought it to be beta, at least, by now, but I digress ... > or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev > ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long_string_of_alphanumeric_stuff does not > exist. Dropping to a shell! > BusyBox v1.1.3 9Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) > Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. > > (initramfs) > > > Any hope of an easy solution - or is it a reinstall....? Doesn't sound promising ... From yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com Thu Mar 13 14:40:38 2008 From: yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:40:38 +0000 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <1205419238.9312.0.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 16:26 +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I know - it's alpha stuff and you need to expect these things..... > > OK, I did 'Full Upgrade' using Adept and it said there were a few > problems with downloading some things. So I waited a bit and tried > again. This time it downloaded (some libc 6 - or something similar) and > started the install process which finished with an error. > > Now I can't boot normally and even in recovery mode, regardless of which > kernel I choose, I get to: > Check root= bootarg cat /proc.cmdline > or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev > ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long_string_of_alphanumeric_stuff does not > exist. Dropping to a shell! > BusyBox v1.1.3 9Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) > Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. > > (initramfs) > > > Any hope of an easy solution - or is it a reinstall....? > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/201673 steve From lanzenesi at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 14:44:19 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:44:19 +0100 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200803131544.19872.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 March 2008 15:36:43 Michael Leone wrote: > With a release date of only a few weeks away, I wold have thought it > to be beta, at least, by now, but I digress ... Beta freeze is due today. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule -- lanzen From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 14:45:45 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:45:45 +0100 Subject: kmail In-Reply-To: <3277333.C33inLuCTu@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3277333.C33inLuCTu@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/13, Derek Broughton : > Tom R wrote: > > > Jamie, > > > > The discussion didn't seem to cover how to add an item > > to the KDE Menu though it would seem that it was the > > obvious answer to your problem. > > > It 's NOT the obvious answer to his problem, though. KMail isn't _supposed_ > to have a menu entry, but in any case, if he can't run it from the console, > he can't run it from a menu. > > -- > > derek > Hi! Kmail has always had an menu entry in all distros i have tried and looking at the source there is a KMail.desktop there so it's probably _supposed_ to have a menu. I think Kubuntu developer removing it for some unknown reason. I missed it when first installed Gustsy so i added my own. /Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 14:47:36 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:47:36 +0100 Subject: kmail In-Reply-To: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/13, Tom R : > Jamie, > > The discussion didn't seem to cover how to add an item > to the KDE Menu though it would seem that it was the > obvious answer to your problem. > > I'm using kubuntu 8.04 alpha 2 KDE 3.5.9 with updates. > > > Kmail is not in the menu though it does start > correctly from konsole (i.e., kmail). You can > add it to your menu if you like by right clicking the > K menu icon, selecting Menu Editor then selecting New > Item from the File menu. > > Also, if you've got a bad configuration of kmail, you > can get rid of it by deleting the following > files/folders: > /home//.kde/share/config/kmail.eventsrc > /home//.kde/share/config/kmailrc > /home//.kde/share/apps/kmail > Once they are gone, kmail should start to the > configuration wizard. > > Thomas > Just a warning! Don't just delete this folder without take a backup or you will lose all your downloaded mail. / Jonas From lanzenesi at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 14:47:33 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:47:33 +0100 Subject: KMail installation problems In-Reply-To: <1286196.mHunNHeXma@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121900.56099.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <1286196.mHunNHeXma@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803131547.34337.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 March 2008 14:50:31 Derek Broughton wrote: > Sure, you can do that - but kontact swallows kmail if it's already running. > You can't start a new session of kmail or akregator or any of the other > kontact komponents if kontact is running. I see. I've just done this: launched kmail and later kontact. Kontact uses the already opened kmail session even if in its own window. -- lanzen From francisco.borges at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 14:50:34 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:50:34 +0100 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: Hello Nigel, On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Now I can't boot normally and even in recovery mode, regardless of which > kernel I choose, I get to: > Check root= bootarg cat /proc.cmdline > or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev > ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long_string_of_alphanumeric_stuff does not > exist. Dropping to a shell! > BusyBox v1.1.3 9Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) > Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. That sounds like.... hum... loads of fun!! Think in a positive way Nigel!! You're in for a lot of fun! [...] My **guess** is that you'll probably need to 'rescue" your system. Rescuing something with a broken libc will IIRC - involve booting a Live CD, - setting up a bootstraped environment (I really don't remember the command for it). then you'll either download whichever packages you'll need to reinstall, or get network on the bootstraped system. and then reinstall/upgrade whatever is broken If you google for "Linux rescue" you may find more information on how to do it.... Once you have done it. You can be proud of yourself, and get to treat your self with ice-cream. At least that is what I did every time I had to rescue a system. [...] I don't know if that consoles you, but I may be on the same boat ;-) upgraded in the morning, saw the broken libc, but I had to go to work. So I hibernated. Cheers, -- Francisco From teeahr1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 14:55:26 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:55:26 -0500 Subject: Katapult (was Re: KMail installation problems) In-Reply-To: <1380415.cNv2r2akFZ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <20080312141937.GF6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121636.15886.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803121843.21439.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <1380415.cNv2r2akFZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47D9405E.90600@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: >> Anybody still using katapult these days? >> > A little. I'm still unconvinced it's "better" than alt-f2 - it sometimes > wants to do things that _aren't_ what I want :-) So if I know the name, > I'll use alt-F2, and if I _think_ I know it I'll try katapult > +1. Katapult /never/ gets it right for me and is insanely hard to configure. But I love the new alt-f2 in KDE4! -p. From francisco.borges at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 15:00:28 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:00:28 +0100 Subject: Katapult (was Re: KMail installation problems) In-Reply-To: <47D9405E.90600@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <20080312141937.GF6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121636.15886.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803121843.21439.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <1380415.cNv2r2akFZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <47D9405E.90600@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:55 PM, p.daniels wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Anybody still using katapult these days? I do. A lot. > > A little. I'm still unconvinced it's "better" than alt-f2 - it sometimes > > wants to do things that _aren't_ what I want :-) So if I know the name, > > I'll use alt-F2, and if I _think_ I know it I'll try katapult > +1. Katapult /never/ gets it right for me and is insanely hard to > configure. But I love the new alt-f2 in KDE4! I don't have KDE4 installed, and now I got curious. Could you explain what alt-f2 does in it? Cheers, -- Francisco From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 15:19:29 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:19:29 -0400 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <2759cf860803130819o49473332k8ae3045f1819afd0@mail.gmail.com> This is in the topic of the #ubuntu+1 channel on freenode: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886 On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Francisco Borges wrote: > Hello Nigel, > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > > Now I can't boot normally and even in recovery mode, regardless of which > > kernel I choose, I get to: > > Check root= bootarg cat /proc.cmdline > > or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev > > ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long_string_of_alphanumeric_stuff does not > > exist. Dropping to a shell! > > BusyBox v1.1.3 9Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) > > Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. > > That sounds like.... hum... loads of fun!! > > Think in a positive way Nigel!! You're in for a lot of fun! > > [...] > > My **guess** is that you'll probably need to 'rescue" your system. > > Rescuing something with a broken libc will IIRC > - involve booting a Live CD, > - setting up a bootstraped environment (I really don't remember the > command for it). > > then you'll either download whichever packages you'll need to > reinstall, or get network on the bootstraped system. > > and then reinstall/upgrade whatever is broken > > If you google for "Linux rescue" you may find more information on how > to do it.... > > Once you have done it. You can be proud of yourself, and get to treat > your self with ice-cream. At least that is what I did every time I had > to rescue a system. > > [...] > > I don't know if that consoles you, but I may be on the same boat ;-) > upgraded in the morning, saw the broken libc, but I had to go to work. > So I hibernated. > > Cheers, > -- > Francisco > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 15:21:54 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:21:54 -0400 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: <2759cf860803130819o49473332k8ae3045f1819afd0@mail.gmail.com> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> <2759cf860803130819o49473332k8ae3045f1819afd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860803130821h59cb0d51kafe1f61dcbc59050@mail.gmail.com> Also, just noticed that this has been fixed and new package is in the mirrors as libc6-2.7-9ubuntu2. So, if you got bitten by this and haven't rebooted yet, you should be able to apply this and be fine. -Jared On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Jared Greenwald wrote: > This is in the topic of the #ubuntu+1 channel on freenode: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886 > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Francisco Borges > wrote: > > Hello Nigel, > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > > > > > Now I can't boot normally and even in recovery mode, regardless of which > > > kernel I choose, I get to: > > > Check root= bootarg cat /proc.cmdline > > > or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev > > > ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long_string_of_alphanumeric_stuff does not > > > exist. Dropping to a shell! > > > BusyBox v1.1.3 9Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) > > > Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. > > > > That sounds like.... hum... loads of fun!! > > > > Think in a positive way Nigel!! You're in for a lot of fun! > > > > [...] > > > > My **guess** is that you'll probably need to 'rescue" your system. > > > > Rescuing something with a broken libc will IIRC > > - involve booting a Live CD, > > - setting up a bootstraped environment (I really don't remember the > > command for it). > > > > then you'll either download whichever packages you'll need to > > reinstall, or get network on the bootstraped system. > > > > and then reinstall/upgrade whatever is broken > > > > If you google for "Linux rescue" you may find more information on how > > to do it.... > > > > Once you have done it. You can be proud of yourself, and get to treat > > your self with ice-cream. At least that is what I did every time I had > > to rescue a system. > > > > [...] > > > > I don't know if that consoles you, but I may be on the same boat ;-) > > upgraded in the morning, saw the broken libc, but I had to go to work. > > So I hibernated. > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Francisco > > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > From teeahr1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 15:26:11 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:26:11 -0500 Subject: Katapult (was Re: KMail installation problems) In-Reply-To: References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <20080312141937.GF6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121636.15886.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803121843.21439.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <1380415.cNv2r2akFZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <47D9405E.90600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D94793.3080606@gmail.com> Francisco Borges wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:55 PM, p.daniels wrote: > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> Anybody still using katapult these days? >> > > I do. A lot. > > >> > A little. I'm still unconvinced it's "better" than alt-f2 - it sometimes >> > wants to do things that _aren't_ what I want :-) So if I know the name, >> > I'll use alt-F2, and if I _think_ I know it I'll try katapult >> > > >> +1. Katapult /never/ gets it right for me and is insanely hard to >> configure. But I love the new alt-f2 in KDE4! >> > > I don't have KDE4 installed, and now I got curious. Could you explain > what alt-f2 does in it? > > Cheers, > http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/desktop.php Krunner, it's the 3rd screenshot down. best- p. From bmachia at wjm1a.com Thu Mar 13 15:40:18 2008 From: bmachia at wjm1a.com (bmachia at wjm1a.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:40:18 -0400 Subject: Terminal Mode Only Message-ID: <31312.1205422818@wjm1a.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Mar 13 15:45:25 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:45:25 +0200 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update - Fixed In-Reply-To: <1205419238.9312.0.camel@localhost> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> <1205419238.9312.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <47D94C15.5010707@rmk.co.il> Steve Cook wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 16:26 +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I know - it's alpha stuff and you need to expect these things..... >> >> OK, I did 'Full Upgrade' using Adept and it said there were a few >> problems with downloading some things. So I waited a bit and tried >> again. This time it downloaded (some libc 6 - or something similar) and >> started the install process which finished with an error. >> >> Now I can't boot normally and even in recovery mode, regardless of which >> kernel I choose, I get to: >> Check root= bootarg cat /proc.cmdline >> or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev >> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long_string_of_alphanumeric_stuff does not >> exist. Dropping to a shell! >> BusyBox v1.1.3 9Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) >> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. >> >> (initramfs) >> >> >> Any hope of an easy solution - or is it a reinstall....? >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/201673 > > > steve > > Thanks for the link -- system now 'rescued' - one happy camper! :-) Still waiting for the 'broken' libc6-dev and libc6-i686 to be fixed before attempting another upgrade. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From temps.jo at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 15:45:06 2008 From: temps.jo at gmail.com (joris abadie) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:45:06 +0100 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: <2759cf860803130821h59cb0d51kafe1f61dcbc59050@mail.gmail.com> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> <2759cf860803130819o49473332k8ae3045f1819afd0@mail.gmail.com> <2759cf860803130821h59cb0d51kafe1f61dcbc59050@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hardy update = install again 2008/3/13, Jared Greenwald : > > Also, just noticed that this has been fixed and new package is in the > mirrors as libc6-2.7-9ubuntu2. So, if you got bitten by this and > haven't rebooted yet, you should be able to apply this and be fine. > > > -Jared > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Jared Greenwald > wrote: > > This is in the topic of the #ubuntu+1 channel on freenode: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886 > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Francisco Borges > > wrote: > > > Hello Nigel, > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Nigel Ridley > wrote: > > > > > > > Now I can't boot normally and even in recovery mode, regardless > of which > > > > kernel I choose, I get to: > > > > Check root= bootarg cat /proc.cmdline > > > > or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev > > > > ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long_string_of_alphanumeric_stuff does > not > > > > exist. Dropping to a shell! > > > > BusyBox v1.1.3 9Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) > > > > Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. > > > > > > That sounds like.... hum... loads of fun!! > > > > > > Think in a positive way Nigel!! You're in for a lot of fun! > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > My **guess** is that you'll probably need to 'rescue" your system. > > > > > > Rescuing something with a broken libc will IIRC > > > - involve booting a Live CD, > > > - setting up a bootstraped environment (I really don't remember the > > > command for it). > > > > > > then you'll either download whichever packages you'll need to > > > reinstall, or get network on the bootstraped system. > > > > > > and then reinstall/upgrade whatever is broken > > > > > > If you google for "Linux rescue" you may find more information on > how > > > to do it.... > > > > > > Once you have done it. You can be proud of yourself, and get to > treat > > > your self with ice-cream. 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URL: From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 16:04:41 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:04:41 -0400 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update - Fixed In-Reply-To: <47D94C15.5010707@rmk.co.il> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> <1205419238.9312.0.camel@localhost> <47D94C15.5010707@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <2759cf860803130904w796628d4paca2e47eaf1e5ba6@mail.gmail.com> Nigel, Its fixed. I just updated and rebooted fine. -Jared On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Steve Cook wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 16:26 +0200, Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> I know - it's alpha stuff and you need to expect these things..... > >> > >> OK, I did 'Full Upgrade' using Adept and it said there were a few > >> problems with downloading some things. So I waited a bit and tried > >> again. This time it downloaded (some libc 6 - or something similar) and > >> started the install process which finished with an error. > >> > >> Now I can't boot normally and even in recovery mode, regardless of which > >> kernel I choose, I get to: > >> Check root= bootarg cat /proc.cmdline > >> or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev > >> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long_string_of_alphanumeric_stuff does not > >> exist. Dropping to a shell! > >> BusyBox v1.1.3 9Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) > >> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. > >> > >> (initramfs) > >> > >> > >> Any hope of an easy solution - or is it a reinstall....? > >> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/201673 > > > > > > steve > > > > > Thanks for the link -- system now 'rescued' - one happy camper! :-) > Still waiting for the 'broken' libc6-dev and libc6-i686 to be fixed > before attempting another upgrade. > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > OliveRoot Ministries > http://www.oliveroot.net/ > > PrayingForIsrael.net > http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Mar 13 16:06:28 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:06:28 -0500 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: <1205419238.9312.0.camel@localhost> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> <1205419238.9312.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200803131206.28449.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 13 March 2008, Steve Cook wrote: > > Any hope of an easy solution - or is it a reinstall....? > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/201673 To summarize that, since Nigel has already rebooted, he might be able to rescue it from a live CD, if he's feeling adventuresome today. It looks kind of dicey to me. I could probably do it, but I'm not sure if I'd bother. I used to be the kind of guy who would go to any length to avoid copping out and resinstalling, but then I discovered it's often a lot faster to cop out, and the end result is the same. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Mar 13 16:08:25 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:08:25 -0500 Subject: Konqueror (History) shutting off In-Reply-To: <200803130212.36762.cms0009@gmail.com> References: <200803130212.36762.cms0009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803131208.25578.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 13 March 2008, Richard wrote: > right clicking there in the url box a "clear history" in the contextual > menus, where is that data coming from? since History is off in Konqueror > settings... Does Konqueror have two history files? I'm not sure where the data is stored, but it's not coming from your history. It just keeps some running list of the last n things you typed or pasted into the URL bar. I don't know how to turn that off off-hand. -- D. Michael McIntyre From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Mar 13 16:51:43 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:51:43 +0200 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: <200803131206.28449.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> <1205419238.9312.0.camel@localhost> <200803131206.28449.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <47D95B9F.7010400@rmk.co.il> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Thursday 13 March 2008, Steve Cook wrote: >>> Any hope of an easy solution - or is it a reinstall....? >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/201673 > > To summarize that, since Nigel has already rebooted, he might be able to > rescue it from a live CD, if he's feeling adventuresome today. > > It looks kind of dicey to me. I could probably do it, but I'm not sure if I'd > bother. I used to be the kind of guy who would go to any length to avoid > copping out and resinstalling, but then I discovered it's often a lot faster > to cop out, and the end result is the same. Wrong... It was actually very easy - the guy just made a little mistake in using the -x option instead of the -i option to actually install the downloaded earlier version of lib6c My system is up and running - and updated :-) Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Mar 13 16:52:36 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:52:36 +0200 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: <200803131206.28449.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> <1205419238.9312.0.camel@localhost> <200803131206.28449.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <47D95BD4.9010102@rmk.co.il> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Thursday 13 March 2008, Steve Cook wrote: >>> Any hope of an easy solution - or is it a reinstall....? >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/201673 > > To summarize that, since Nigel has already rebooted, he might be able to > rescue it from a live CD, if he's feeling adventuresome today. > > It looks kind of dicey to me. I could probably do it, but I'm not sure if I'd > bother. I used to be the kind of guy who would go to any length to avoid > copping out and resinstalling, but then I discovered it's often a lot faster > to cop out, and the end result is the same. Wrong... It was actually very easy - the guy just made a little mistake in using the -x option instead of the -i option to actually install the downloaded earlier version of lib6c My system is up and running - and updated :-) Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 18:12:28 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:12:28 +0200 Subject: Katapult (was Re: KMail installation problems) In-Reply-To: <47D9405E.90600@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <20080312141937.GF6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121636.15886.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803121843.21439.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <1380415.cNv2r2akFZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <47D9405E.90600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D96E8C.3080900@gmail.com> p.daniels wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Anybody still using katapult these days? >>> >> A little. I'm still unconvinced it's "better" than alt-f2 - it sometimes >> wants to do things that _aren't_ what I want :-) So if I know the name, >> I'll use alt-F2, and if I _think_ I know it I'll try katapult >> > > +1. Katapult /never/ gets it right for me and is insanely hard to > configure. But I love the new alt-f2 in KDE4! > > -p. > weird, I can not run Kmail via Katapult but via ALT+F2... From lanzenesi at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 18:27:35 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:27:35 +0100 Subject: Katapult (was Re: KMail installation problems) In-Reply-To: <47D96E8C.3080900@gmail.com> References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <47D9405E.90600@gmail.com> <47D96E8C.3080900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803131927.35372.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 March 2008 19:12:28 O. Sinclair wrote: > weird, I can not run Kmail via Katapult but via ALT+F2... I think that's because it has no menu entry. Try and add one. -- lanzen From valtermura at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 18:42:06 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:42:06 +0100 Subject: Help for usb disk and usb pendrive In-Reply-To: <200803131454.24331.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200803112021.34824.valtermura@gmail.com> <200803112223.17678.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <200803131454.24331.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803131942.06179.valtermura@gmail.com> Il giovedì 13 marzo 2008 14:54:24 lanzen ha scritto: --cut-- > > I'm stopping here. No more to add and I've found a solution. Thank you so much (and All too) lanzen, I'll try this method and I'll let you know if it works for me. If not,I'll try to rename the device and work separately by the sda1. Ciao, -- Valter Gnupgp ID: 0xD7274715 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From girardhenri at free.fr Thu Mar 13 19:07:20 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:07:20 +0100 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: <200803131544.19872.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> <200803131544.19872.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D97B68.3050701@free.fr> i had the same problem... pity because I had an alpha6 64 bits working perfect... Now i came back to gutsy and wait for final ! lanzen a écrit : > On Thursday 13 March 2008 15:36:43 Michael Leone wrote: > > >> With a release date of only a few weeks away, I wold have thought it >> to be beta, at least, by now, but I digress ... >> > > Beta freeze is due today. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule > > From bill at wjm1a.com Thu Mar 13 22:21:04 2008 From: bill at wjm1a.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:21:04 -0400 Subject: Terminal Mode Only In-Reply-To: <200803130714.59393.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <200803130714.59393.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: Will Guy's The 'sudo aptitude install Kubuntu-desktop' command followed with a reboot/restart WORKED!!! I've got my Desktop back!! Thank you very much!!! However, when the Desktop came up, it told me my previous KDE4 session had been corrupted, and KDE4 was not available. Then it only gave me the option of a Default Desktop (KDE3). Is it smart or even safe to reinstall KDE4? I plan on running in KDE3 until I read some responses. Thx Bill -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of David McGlone Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:15 AM To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Subject: Re: Terminal Mode Only On Wednesday 12 March 2008 5:37:02 pm Francisco Borges wrote: > Hello Bill, > > I would first try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop. Just > > aptitude install kubuntu-desktop > > Should do. That is just to be sure you have everything you should have > installed. After you try this, if it doesn't work, Here is a trick I do, I go into /etc/X11 you should see files xorg.conf~, xorg.conf.1, xorg.conf.2 etc, etc. rename your xorg.conf to one of the files with a number, usually 1 will do, then restart your xserver, if that don't work try another. the lower numbers are the most recent. When I do this, I always take the xorg.conf and rename it xorg.conf.bak and then rename one of the other xorg.conf.1 or 2 etc etc files to xorg.conf. Once you find the one that was working, back it up ie: cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak.saved -- David M. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Mar 14 00:06:31 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:06:31 -0500 Subject: Trashed Hardy on update In-Reply-To: <47D95B9F.7010400@rmk.co.il> References: <47D939AF.5070409@rmk.co.il> <200803131206.28449.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <47D95B9F.7010400@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200803132006.31468.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 13 March 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > My system is up and running - and updated :-) Yeah, you posted your result while I was posting my attempt at dissuading you. Oh well. Glad you got back up and running. -- D. Michael McIntyre From tubaman at fattuba.com Fri Mar 14 00:37:55 2008 From: tubaman at fattuba.com (Ryan Nowakowski) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:37:55 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu 7.10: fast user switching does not work In-Reply-To: <47B8EE29.4000808@mail.ee> References: <47B8EE29.4000808@mail.ee> Message-ID: <20080314003755.GU31712@polishwonder.fattuba.com> On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 04:32:09AM +0200, Edmund ??augasson wrote: > If I try to switch user in Kubuntu 7.10, KDE 3.5.8 freezes and > keyboard/mouse does not work anymore. Also over SSH is not possible to log > in. > > Once I succeeded to switch user but it was only once. I never succeeded > later. > > I have all updates frequently installed - I use crontab to update > automatically my system. > > I use also tvtime to watch TV and gv4l to record them. > > I also have ATI restricted driver installed (using KDE Control Centre > applet), because I have ATI Radeon 9600 and would like to use 3D > acceleration. Try disabling the restricted ATI driver and try user switching again. That way, you can see if it's the restricted driver or not. - Ryan From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 13 17:27:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:27:24 -0300 Subject: KMail installation problems References: <20080312130859.GB6471@dell-desktop.example.com> <200803121900.56099.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <1286196.mHunNHeXma@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803131547.34337.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19144419.WPcyA1RC3q@cedar.serverforest.com> lanzen wrote: > On Thursday 13 March 2008 14:50:31 Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Sure, you can do that - but kontact swallows kmail if it's already >> running. You can't start a new session of kmail or akregator or any of >> the other kontact komponents if kontact is running. > > I see. I've just done this: launched kmail and later kontact. Kontact uses > the already opened kmail session even if in its own window. > Yes, you can launch the components _first_ and they stay separate, but if kontact is already running, it just swallows them. Back in the early days of KDE3 I found this endlessly frustrating, because KMail was extremely unstable, and every time it crashed it killed kontact, but if I started it up on its own, it would eventually crash and I'd restart it, it would get swallowed by kontact, and _then_ it would crash kontact too. Thankfully, _that_ hasn't been a problem for a long time. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 13 17:33:09 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:33:09 -0300 Subject: kmail References: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3277333.C33inLuCTu@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1927045.8oqIJ1H5hB@cedar.serverforest.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/3/13, Derek Broughton : >> Tom R wrote: >> >> > Jamie, >> > >> > The discussion didn't seem to cover how to add an item >> > to the KDE Menu though it would seem that it was the >> > obvious answer to your problem. >> >> It 's NOT the obvious answer to his problem, though. KMail isn't >> _supposed_ >> to have a menu entry, but in any case, if he can't run it from the >> console, he can't run it from a menu. > > Kmail has always had an menu entry in all distros i have tried and > looking at the source > there is a KMail.desktop there so it's probably _supposed_ to have a menu. No. Having a .desktop file doesn't mean it should have a menu. In fact, this one is _specifically_ to prevent it having a menu: $ tail -n3 /usr/share/applications/kde/KMail.desktop X-DCOP-ServiceName=kmail Categories=Qt;KDE;Network;Office;Email; NoDisplay=true > I think Kubuntu developer removing it for some unknown reason. It's pretty obvious - it's to prevent people complaining when they start KMail and nothing happens, because you already have kontact running. -- derek From lanzenesi at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 15:17:49 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:17:49 +0100 Subject: kmail In-Reply-To: <1927045.8oqIJ1H5hB@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1927045.8oqIJ1H5hB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803141617.49294.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Thursday 13 March 2008 18:33:09 Derek Broughton wrote: > NoDisplay=true So changing it to NoDisplay=false would make it show up? -- lanzen From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 14 16:22:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:22:19 -0300 Subject: kmail References: <1927045.8oqIJ1H5hB@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803141617.49294.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1956265.ahdG8thrsy@cedar.serverforest.com> lanzen wrote: > On Thursday 13 March 2008 18:33:09 Derek Broughton wrote: > >> NoDisplay=true > > So changing it to > NoDisplay=false > would make it show up? > It should. I've done it with other menu items. -- derek From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 18:22:51 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:22:51 +0100 Subject: kmail In-Reply-To: <1927045.8oqIJ1H5hB@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3277333.C33inLuCTu@cedar.serverforest.com> <1927045.8oqIJ1H5hB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/13, Derek Broughton : > Jonas Norlander wrote: > > > 2008/3/13, Derek Broughton : > >> Tom R wrote: > >> > >> > Jamie, > >> > > >> > The discussion didn't seem to cover how to add an item > >> > to the KDE Menu though it would seem that it was the > >> > obvious answer to your problem. > >> > >> It 's NOT the obvious answer to his problem, though. KMail isn't > >> _supposed_ > >> to have a menu entry, but in any case, if he can't run it from the > >> console, he can't run it from a menu. > > > > > Kmail has always had an menu entry in all distros i have tried and > > looking at the source > > there is a KMail.desktop there so it's probably _supposed_ to have a menu. > > > No. Having a .desktop file doesn't mean it should have a menu. In fact, > this one is _specifically_ to prevent it having a menu: > > $ tail -n3 /usr/share/applications/kde/KMail.desktop > X-DCOP-ServiceName=kmail > Categories=Qt;KDE;Network;Office;Email; > NoDisplay=true You missread my mail. That file you showing is not in the original source tarball. It's probably added by kubuntu developer. The desktop file in the sources (kdepim-3.5.9.tar.bz2) that i mention looks like this [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=KMail Type=Application Exec=kmail -caption "%c" %i %m Icon=kmail DocPath=kmail/index.html GenericName=Mail Client Terminal=false X-KDE-StartupNotify=true X-DCOP-ServiceType=Unique X-DCOP-ServiceName=kmail ServiceTypes=DCOP/ResourceBackend/IMAP,DCOP/Mailer Categories=Qt;KDE;Network;Office;Email; and as far as i understand it that desktop file _will_ give a menuentry for KMail. / Jonas From AmbergerTh at yahoo.de Fri Mar 14 19:43:04 2008 From: AmbergerTh at yahoo.de (Thomas Amberger) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:43:04 +0100 Subject: No Icon on Desktop for always-on usbdisk Message-ID: <200803142043.04413.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Hello list, is it possible that there is no icon on desktop for one usb-disk which is always on and the icon for all other devices work as normal? Thanks Thomas From ubuntu at citadel8.net Fri Mar 14 21:21:17 2008 From: ubuntu at citadel8.net (Steve McMaster) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:21:17 -0400 Subject: No Icon on Desktop for always-on usbdisk In-Reply-To: <200803142043.04413.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> References: <200803142043.04413.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <47DAEC4D.5070603@citadel8.net> I believe that unless you mount your USB disk via the KDE interface, as opposed to mounting in on the command line or putting it in /etc/fstab, the icon will not appear on your desktop. For example, if I have a 300GB USB drive that is always connected, and has an entry in /etc/fstab, the icon won't appear. However, when I plug in my 4GB USB drive, I tell KDE to open it and I get the icon on the desktop. However, this is all just a guess, and I'm not 100% sure it works this way. The best way to verify would be to unplug the USB drive (after unmounting, of course), reconnect it, and tell KDE to open it. If the icon appears on the desktop, then this is the answer. :) If this isn't the answer, then I too am curious what the determining factor is. Thomas Amberger wrote: > Hello list, > > is it possible that there is no icon on desktop for one usb-disk which is > always on and the icon for all other devices work as normal? > > Thanks > > Thomas > > From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 15 12:47:16 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:47:16 -0300 Subject: kmail References: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3277333.C33inLuCTu@cedar.serverforest.com> <1927045.8oqIJ1H5hB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1741895.LhKQ8XIRgp@cedar.serverforest.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/3/13, Derek Broughton : >> Jonas Norlander wrote: >> >> > 2008/3/13, Derek Broughton : >> >> Tom R wrote: >> >> >> >> > Jamie, >> >> > >> >> > The discussion didn't seem to cover how to add an item >> >> > to the KDE Menu though it would seem that it was the >> >> > obvious answer to your problem. >> >> >> >> It 's NOT the obvious answer to his problem, though. KMail isn't >> >> _supposed_ >> >> to have a menu entry, but in any case, if he can't run it from the >> >> console, he can't run it from a menu. >> > >> >> > Kmail has always had an menu entry in all distros i have tried and >> > looking at the source >> > there is a KMail.desktop there so it's probably _supposed_ to have a >> > menu. >> >> No. Having a .desktop file doesn't mean it should have a menu. In fact, >> this one is _specifically_ to prevent it having a menu: >> >> $ tail -n3 /usr/share/applications/kde/KMail.desktop >> X-DCOP-ServiceName=kmail >> Categories=Qt;KDE;Network;Office;Email; >> NoDisplay=true > > You missread my mail. That file you showing is not in the original > source tarball. No, I didn't misread your mail at all. Whether or not the kubuntu menu file is in the original tarball, the mere fact that a .desktop file exists _doesn't_ mean it's supposed to be in a menu. > It's probably added by kubuntu developer. Quite possibly. > and as far as i understand it that desktop file _will_ give a > menuentry for KMail. And apparently you weren't interested in my explanation. It's a bad idea to have a menu entry for a program that will commonly not appear when you launch it. -- derek From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 13:34:44 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:34:44 +0100 Subject: kmail In-Reply-To: <1741895.LhKQ8XIRgp@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3277333.C33inLuCTu@cedar.serverforest.com> <1927045.8oqIJ1H5hB@cedar.serverforest.com> <1741895.LhKQ8XIRgp@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/15, Derek Broughton : > Jonas Norlander wrote: > > > 2008/3/13, Derek Broughton : > >> Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> > >> > 2008/3/13, Derek Broughton : > >> >> Tom R wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Jamie, > >> >> > > >> >> > The discussion didn't seem to cover how to add an item > >> >> > to the KDE Menu though it would seem that it was the > >> >> > obvious answer to your problem. > >> >> > >> >> It 's NOT the obvious answer to his problem, though. KMail isn't > >> >> _supposed_ > >> >> to have a menu entry, but in any case, if he can't run it from the > >> >> console, he can't run it from a menu. > >> > > >> > >> > Kmail has always had an menu entry in all distros i have tried and > >> > looking at the source > >> > there is a KMail.desktop there so it's probably _supposed_ to have a > >> > menu. > >> > >> No. Having a .desktop file doesn't mean it should have a menu. In fact, > >> this one is _specifically_ to prevent it having a menu: > >> > >> $ tail -n3 /usr/share/applications/kde/KMail.desktop > >> X-DCOP-ServiceName=kmail > >> Categories=Qt;KDE;Network;Office;Email; > >> NoDisplay=true > > > > You missread my mail. That file you showing is not in the original > > source tarball. > > > No, I didn't misread your mail at all. Whether or not the kubuntu menu file > is in the original tarball, the mere fact that a .desktop file exists > _doesn't_ mean it's supposed to be in a menu. What i meant all the time is that the developer of KMail have a menu entry for KMail and want it to have a menu entry but kubuntu removes it. Personally i got confused by the lack of a menu for the biggest program in the pim-package, it has always been there so i think it's wrong to remove it. And apparently there are more then me that A .desktop file don't have to be a menu i don't argue with you there. > > And apparently you weren't interested in my explanation. It's a bad idea to > have a menu entry for a program that will commonly not appear when you > launch it. > -- > derek I read it and understand your point i just don't agree. Can't check now but aren't there an icon for KMail when you start it, showing how many mail you have in your inbox whether you running Kontact or not? /Jonas From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 15 14:19:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:19:32 -0300 Subject: kmail References: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3277333.C33inLuCTu@cedar.serverforest.com> <1927045.8oqIJ1H5hB@cedar.serverforest.com> <1741895.LhKQ8XIRgp@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1606306.7ISfbZ9i0N@cedar.serverforest.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > Can't check now but aren't there an icon for KMail when you start it, Not, I think, by default. > showing how many mail you have in your inbox whether you running Kontact > or not? I could be wrong - it's certainly configurable as you suggest - but iirc the default is to only show the tray icon for _unread_ messages (that's certainly what I get - same with the akregator icon - but I may have set that myself). In any case, I used to hang out on the kde-pim list, and I can attest that it wasn't unusual to have users asking why KMail never seemed to start... -- derek From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 15 15:36:29 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:36:29 -0500 Subject: kmail In-Reply-To: References: <1741895.LhKQ8XIRgp@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803151136.29854.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 15 March 2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: > Can't check now but aren't there an icon for KMail when you start it, > showing how many mail you have in your inbox whether you running Kontact or > not? Depending on how you have it configured. I'm not sure what the default is. I have always continued to run KMail as a stand-alone app though, and that definitely works happily. -- D. Michael McIntyre From AmbergerTh at yahoo.de Sat Mar 15 17:33:26 2008 From: AmbergerTh at yahoo.de (Thomas Amberger) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:33:26 +0100 Subject: No Icon on Desktop for always-on usbdisk In-Reply-To: <47DAEC4D.5070603@citadel8.net> References: <200803142043.04413.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <47DAEC4D.5070603@citadel8.net> Message-ID: <200803151833.27071.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Hello, Am Freitag 14 März 2008 22:21:17 schrieb Steve McMaster: > I believe that unless you mount your USB disk via the KDE interface, as > opposed to mounting in on the command line or putting it in /etc/fstab, > the icon will not appear on your desktop. > i mount it in /etc/fstab, i tryed to umount and take the usb away, the icon disapears, when i put the usb in, the device mounts and there is no icon, ok. After a reboot there is also no icon, ok. When i use a usb-stick or so, it will be mounted, and a icon for it is shown on the desktop. So far so good, but for my always on usb-drive also appears the icon now and it did not disapear when i umount the other usb-device ?? Thomas From joemburgess at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 02:54:40 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:54:40 -0400 Subject: No Icon on Desktop for always-on usbdisk In-Reply-To: <200803151833.27071.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> References: <200803142043.04413.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <47DAEC4D.5070603@citadel8.net> <200803151833.27071.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <47DC8BF0.8090703@gmail.com> So wait, the icon for the external always on drive, only show up after you plug in and then umount a usb pen drive? but it never shows up in any other case? Is that correct? Thomas Amberger wrote: > Hello, > > Am Freitag 14 März 2008 22:21:17 schrieb Steve McMaster: > >> I believe that unless you mount your USB disk via the KDE interface, as >> opposed to mounting in on the command line or putting it in /etc/fstab, >> the icon will not appear on your desktop. >> >> > > i mount it in /etc/fstab, i tryed to umount and take the usb away, the icon > disapears, when i put the usb in, the device mounts and there is no icon, ok. > > After a reboot there is also no icon, ok. When i use a usb-stick or so, it > will be mounted, and a icon for it is shown on the desktop. So far so good, > but for my always on usb-drive also appears the icon now and it did not > disapear when i umount the other usb-device ?? > > Thomas > > > From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Sun Mar 16 09:06:54 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:06:54 +0000 Subject: 64bit Linux Message-ID: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> In May 2008 I bought a new computer (set up to my specs), which included a 64bit AMD processor. At the time my distro was Mandriva so I installed Mandriva 2006 64bit. I soon realised that it was early days for 64bit on Linux, (eg some packages were available in 32bit versions only). Before long I decided to start again so I installed the 32bit version instead. In October 2006 I moved over to Kubuntu and installed Edgy, the 32bit version. This is the distro that I am still using. My HD has now reached the stage where it needs a good clear out and tidy up. I have decided that the best and easiest way would be a completely fresh install. I am planning to install Kubuntu Hardy when it comes out next month. Meanwhile it has occurred to me that 64bit Linux must have improved a lot in the nearly two years since I tried it out. So at last to my questions. 1 Am I right in assuming that 64bit Linux has improved since I tried it? 2 If the answer to that is yes, are there good reasons to move to 64bit? 3 Are there still some problems with it? 4 Do many people on the list use it or are most still on 32bit? 5 Does anyone have suggestions, advice, help for me about this? Many thanks Neil Winchurst From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 11:09:02 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:09:02 +0200 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200803161309.02407.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > 4 Do many people on the list use it or are most still on 32bit? I'm still on 32bit but would love to use my 64bit AMD cpu. Will watch this thread keenly! I'd like to know, for sure, if 32bit apps can be used under a 64bit OS, for those times when that's all there is available. \d From T.Six at gmx.de Sun Mar 16 11:08:13 2008 From: T.Six at gmx.de (Thilo Six) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:08:13 +0100 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: Neil Winchurst wrote the following on 16.03.2008 10:06 > In May 2008 I bought a new computer (set up to my specs), ^^^^^^^- heh What cool new features will we have in 2 months? ;) scnr > Many thanks > > Neil Winchurst -- bye Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Mar 16 11:43:02 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:43:02 +0100 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <200803161309.02407.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200803161309.02407.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: I guess it's possible but I always choose 64 bits apps... As long as I can For example gambas2 can be compiled in 64 bits now speeder .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn" To: Cc: "Neil Winchurst" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Re: 64bit Linux >> 4 Do many people on the list use it or are most still on 32bit? > I'm still on 32bit but would love to use my 64bit AMD cpu. Will watch this > thread keenly! > > I'd like to know, for sure, if 32bit apps can be used under a 64bit OS, > for > those times when that's all there is available. > > > \d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sun Mar 16 11:54:20 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:54:20 +0000 Subject: No Icon on Desktop for always-on usbdisk In-Reply-To: <47DC8BF0.8090703@gmail.com> References: <200803142043.04413.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <47DAEC4D.5070603@citadel8.net> <200803151833.27071.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <47DC8BF0.8090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080316115420.55155e91@graham-desktop> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:54:40 -0400 Joe Burgess wrote: > So wait, the icon for the external always on drive, only show up > after you plug in and then umount a usb pen drive? but it never shows > up in any other case? Is that correct? Joining this thread when I think I know what is happening. :-) I have an external hard drive that is connected through the usb port. Once my Kubuntu machine is running, if I plug in the usb lead it will show on my desktop and the menu window will come up asking if I want it open in a new window, etc However, if I now reboot with the usb lead on the external device fitted, neither the icon nor the menu shows. To get the icon showing I have to plug the device when my Kubuntu desktop is showing. If I plug in another pen drive at the same time, sometimes both show, sometimes not. The same behaviour is shown when using the livecd from Ubuntu related distros such as gOS and Xubuntu. Aware of this problem, I prepared my external drive with the name SWISSKNIFE. Now I check into /media through Krusader for SWISSKNIFE and it always shows, and I can add data to it. Mounting and Unmounting is done by right clicking on the item. Daresay this would work with Dolphin but I prefer to use Krusader. This seems the only practical way of doing it. But it is annoying that my hard drive cannot be connected ALL the time AND be recognised on the desktop. -- Graham Todd From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 12:08:28 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:08:28 +0200 Subject: No Icon on Desktop for always-on usbdisk In-Reply-To: <20080316115420.55155e91@graham-desktop> References: <200803142043.04413.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <47DC8BF0.8090703@gmail.com> <20080316115420.55155e91@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200803161408.28876.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > But it is annoying that my hard drive cannot be connected ALL the time > AND be recognised on the desktop. Have you tried: Desktop -> rightclick -> Configure Desktop -> Behaviour -> Device Icons ? I'm fairly sure you can set it to always show certain devices. \d From joemburgess at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 12:21:44 2008 From: joemburgess at gmail.com (Joe Burgess) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:21:44 -0400 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200803161309.02407.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DD10D8.90604@gmail.com> I am running 64bit Kubuntu 7.10 and so far it works fine. Flash works beautifully, and I have yet to have any problems. I haven't attempted to install a 32 bit program, but I know it isn't too hard to do. The nice thing is that almost everything is compiled for 64bit. Also as for performance gains, there really isn't much unless you are doing very high end engineering programs and stuff. I do it because I have 4gb of ram, and 64bit is what I need to be able to see all of it. So far it works very, very well. Girard Henri wrote: > I guess it's possible but I always choose 64 bits apps... As long as I can > For example gambas2 can be compiled in 64 bits now > speeder .. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donn" > To: > Cc: "Neil Winchurst" > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: 64bit Linux > > > >>> 4 Do many people on the list use it or are most still on 32bit? >>> >> I'm still on 32bit but would love to use my 64bit AMD cpu. Will watch this >> thread keenly! >> >> I'd like to know, for sure, if 32bit apps can be used under a 64bit OS, >> for >> those times when that's all there is available. >> >> >> \d >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> > > > > -- -Joe From slewin at bmts.com Sun Mar 16 13:02:43 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:02:43 -0400 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <47DD1A73.2010801@bmts.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > 2 If the answer to that is yes, are there good reasons to move to 64bit? I have always read that the only reason to use a 64-bit OS is if you want more than 3GB of RAM. Other than that I have herd no real good reason to use a 64-bit OS. > 4 Do many people on the list use it or are most still on 32bit? Both my laptop and desktop have 64-bit chips and on both I use a standard 32-bit system. I am very happy with 1GB of RAM in both and don't need anymore than 3GB. 64-bit chips are still optimized to be used in a 32-bit system and work just as good, if not better, than a 32-bit chip. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 7.10 From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Mar 16 14:18:16 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:18:16 +0100 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <47DD1A73.2010801@bmts.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <47DD1A73.2010801@bmts.com> Message-ID: <47DD2C28.2050207@free.fr> the only possible installation on my aspire intel dual core is a 64 bits with xpress video and japanese network card and only gutsy did provide this drivers now i think more do it... Scott a e'crit : > Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> 2 If the answer to that is yes, are there good reasons to move to 64bit? >> > I have always read that the only reason to use a 64-bit OS is if you > want more than 3GB of RAM. Other than that I have herd no real good > reason to use a 64-bit OS. > > >> 4 Do many people on the list use it or are most still on 32bit? >> > Both my laptop and desktop have 64-bit chips and on both I use a > standard 32-bit system. I am very happy with 1GB of RAM in both and > don't need anymore than 3GB. 64-bit chips are still optimized to be > used in a 32-bit system and work just as good, if not better, than a > 32-bit chip. > > From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Sun Mar 16 14:22:39 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 07:22:39 -0700 Subject: No Icon on Desktop for always-on usbdisk In-Reply-To: <200803161408.28876.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803142043.04413.AmbergerTh@yahoo.de> <20080316115420.55155e91@graham-desktop> <200803161408.28876.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803160722.39405.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Sunday 16 March 2008 05:08:28 am Donn wrote: > > But it is annoying that my hard drive cannot be connected ALL the time > > AND be recognised on the desktop. > > Have you tried: > Desktop -> rightclick -> Configure Desktop -> Behaviour -> Device Icons ? > I'm fairly sure you can set it to always show certain devices. > > > \d I am not sure that this error is specific to USB drives.....I have had problems for three or so distros now in having icons show up on desktop for native internal harddrives, despite how KDE system settings is confgured. I can not offer any more suggestions on how to pursue it. I solved my isue by building symlinks, but this will likely not work with dynamically mounted drives. Larry From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Sun Mar 16 15:01:05 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:01:05 +0000 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <47DD1A73.2010801@bmts.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <47DD1A73.2010801@bmts.com> Message-ID: <20080316150105.2de82a50.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:02:43 -0400 Scott wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > > 2 If the answer to that is yes, are there good reasons to move to 64bit? > I have always read that the only reason to use a 64-bit OS is if you > want more than 3GB of RAM. Other than that I have herd no real good > reason to use a 64-bit OS. > > Your friend, > Scott Well, I have 2GB of RAM and it works fine with my 32 bit Kubuntu Edgy. I am beginning to think, from the replies so far, that there is not much point in going 64bit for me. However I will watch out for any more answers. Neil From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 15:21:51 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:21:51 +0200 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <20080316150105.2de82a50.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <47DD1A73.2010801@bmts.com> <20080316150105.2de82a50.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <200803161721.52137.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I am beginning to think, from the replies so far, that there is not > much point in going 64bit for me. However I will watch out for any more > answers. I tried the 64bit Gutsy (I think) live CD and my impression was that KDE *flew* -- it was liquid-smooth to drag windows around. I'd like to see what GTK/Gnome stuff feels like under 64, if it could do that to KDE! \d From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 15:49:57 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:49:57 +0100 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <200803161721.52137.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <47DD1A73.2010801@bmts.com> <20080316150105.2de82a50.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <200803161721.52137.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DD41A5.4010502@gmail.com> Donn wrote: > I tried the 64bit Gutsy (I think) live CD and my impression was that KDE > *flew* -- it was liquid-smooth to drag windows around. I'd like to see what > GTK/Gnome stuff feels like under 64, if it could do that to KDE! I am running two 64bit and a 32bit system, the only reason for the latter being I needed it to compile things. I think 64 is overcoming the problem of the past. Realplayer and Skype - I think they're 32bit - just to mention a few applications, run well. The main reason I do use 64? Well, if nobody ever does what chance do we have to have a stable 64bit system? ;) -- lanzen From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sun Mar 16 15:41:37 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:41:37 +0100 Subject: 64bit Linux References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <87k5k2n0b2.fsf@fjellstad.org> Thilo Six writes: > Neil Winchurst wrote the following on 16.03.2008 10:06 > >> In May 2008 I bought a new computer (set up to my specs), > ^^^^^^^- heh > > What cool new features will we have in 2 months? ;) scnr Who cares about the new featurs. Just give me the lotto numbers for the next two months :-) -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From bbales at cox.net Sun Mar 16 16:40:44 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:40:44 -0500 Subject: Entire partition locked up during upgrade Message-ID: <200803161140.44782.bbales@cox.net> I was running Kubuntu Gutsy on a 386 machine. Started an apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade. In the middle of the upgrade, I started seeing: rm: cannot remove /usr/foo .......... Read-only file system over and over. After that everything was read only. I was able to save the terminal output to another partition (a copy below here) and shut the system down. Now it won't even boot. I am able to get into it from this Kubuntu 6.06 partition on the same machine and was able to rm a file that was previously declared read-only. Can anyone tell how this happened by looking at the printout below? Does apt-get upgrade include locking everything? And how might I be able to save my system? bruce at blacky:/var/log$ sudo apt-get update [sudo] password for bruce: Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/main Translation-en_US Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/restricted Translation-en_US Get:1 http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial Release.gpg [191B] Ign http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial/main Translation-en_US Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security Release.gpg [191B] Ign http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/main Translation-en_US Ign http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/restricted Translation-en_US Get:3 http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial Release [5999B] Get:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release.gpg [191B] Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Translation-en_US Ign http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/universe Translation-en_US Ign http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/multiverse Translation-en_US Get:5 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security Release [51.2kB] Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse Translation-en_US Get:6 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates Release.gpg [191B] Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/main Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/restricted Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/universe Translation-en_US Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/multiverse Translation-en_US Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release Get:7 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates Release [58.5kB] Hit http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial/main Packages Read Get:8 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/main Packages [75.9kB] Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse Packages Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse Sources Get:9 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/main Packages [247kB] Get:10 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/restricted Packages [14B] Get:11 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/main Sources [14.0kB] Get:12 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/restricted Sources [14B] Get:13 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/universe Packages [50.5kB] Get:14 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/universe Sources [7303B] Get:15 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/multiverse Packages [2903B] Get:16 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/multiverse Sources [833B] Get:17 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid Release.gpg [189B] Get:18 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/restricted Packages [4263B] Get:19 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/main Sources [68.9kB] Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid Release Get:20 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/restricted Sources [937B] Get:21 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/universe Packages [72.4kB] Get:22 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/universe Sources [11.5kB] Get:23 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/multiverse Packages [9942B] Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Sources Get:24 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/multiverse Sources [1883B] Fetched 684kB in 4s (154kB/s) Reading package lists... Done bruce at blacky:/var/log$ sudo apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages will be upgraded: language-pack-en language-pack-kde-en python2.5 python2.5-dev python2.5-minimal 5 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 5939kB of archives. After unpacking 102kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/main language-pack-en 1:7.10+20080229 [3016B] Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/main python2.5-dev 2.5.1-5ubuntu5.1 [1877kB] Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/main language-pack-kde-en 1:7.10+20080229 [20.1kB] Get:4 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/main python2.5 2.5.1-5ubuntu5.1 [2869kB] Get:5 http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/main python2.5-minimal 2.5.1-5ubuntu5.1 [1169kB] Fetched 5939kB in 7s (842kB/s) (Reading database ... 105022 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace language-pack-en 1:7.10+20080205 (using .../language-pack-en_1%3a7.10+20080229_all.deb) ... Unpacking replacement language-pack-en ... Replacing files in old package language-pack-en-base ... Preparing to replace language-pack-kde-en 1:7.10+20080205 (using .../language-pack-kde-en_1%3a7.10+20080229_all.deb) ... Unpacking replacement language-pack-kde-en ... Replacing files in old package language-pack-kde-en-base ... Preparing to replace python2.5-dev 2.5.1-5ubuntu5 (using .../python2.5-dev_2.5.1-5ubuntu5.1_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement python2.5-dev ... 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then touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp; fi' E: Sub-process returned an error code E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) bruce at blacky:/var/log$ cd From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 17:05:01 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:05:01 -0400 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0803161005se2db8d4ib95e864da633d4b1@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 5:06 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > 1 Am I right in assuming that 64bit Linux has improved since I tried it? I started using 64-bit recently, but it still looks like it is improving (slowly but surely). > 2 If the answer to that is yes, are there good reasons to move to 64bit? Hrmmm... More than 3.8 GB of RAM (my reason), better number crunching (especially w/ floating point), and not having your computer crap out in 2038. > 3 Are there still some problems with it? The biggest problems I have seen is with web browsing (e.g. running Flash and Java in Firefox). The solution is to install 32-bit Firefox and it really isn't that difficult to do. > 4 Do many people on the list use it or are most still on 32bit? I would say most people are still using 32-bit in general. > 5 Does anyone have suggestions, advice, help for me about this? If you try it out you will probably want to still keep your 32-bit installation around and just make room for a decent sized 64-bit installation. Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 17:25:27 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:25:27 -0400 Subject: Entire partition locked up during upgrade In-Reply-To: <200803161140.44782.bbales@cox.net> References: <200803161140.44782.bbales@cox.net> Message-ID: <9bed467e0803161025j7bd228e6rf52367a669f1d0a9@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Bruce Bales wrote: > I was running Kubuntu Gutsy on a 386 machine. Started an apt-get > update and then apt-get upgrade. In the middle of the upgrade, I > started seeing: > rm: cannot remove /usr/foo .......... Read-only file system I have seen the whole "Read-only file system" thing come up, but not while upgrading the system. I was unable to boot from the hard drive at all because my problem was that the connection to the hard drive came loose. If you are able to boot from another partition on this hard drive, then that doesn't seem to be your problem. I would suggest booting from a live CD, mount the partition read-only and then backup all your data (couldn't hurt). After that I would check out /boot/grub/menu.lst and maybe /etc/fstab to see if you can find out why you can't boot off of the partition. I hope someone who is more knowledgeable can help you out with this one. Also, I am pretty sure that apt-get upgrade has nothing to do with the problem; probably just bad timing. HTH, Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Mar 16 17:56:38 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:56:38 -0500 Subject: Entire partition locked up during upgrade In-Reply-To: <200803161140.44782.bbales@cox.net> References: <200803161140.44782.bbales@cox.net> Message-ID: <200803161356.38452.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 16 March 2008, Bruce Bales wrote: > rm: cannot remove /usr/foo .......... Read-only file system > > over and over. The real key to this one is probably in /var/log/syslog or somewhere else in /var/log. I don't see any clues in the text you posted. One scenario is that there are some I/O or similar errors in the logs. Unless I've done it myself, it seems Ubuntu defaults to mounting with errors=remount-ro which is an EXTREMELY EXCELLENT practice. If you don't have this option in place, then what happens is you get some kind of low level error, and life continues on oblivious to the problem. Eventually you get to witness a catastrophic and total filesystem failure, and then a kernel panic. Been there, done that, in case you hadn't guessed. It was a bad hard drive in my case, but it never looked like a bad hard drive. Passed the SMART test and anything else I could think to throw at it, and seemed like it was always something else, until the day the hard drive finally revealed itself as the culprit by sitting there going click click click. Literally less than 12 hours after I had done a full backup. That was lucky! Anyway, I could be reading too much of my own past experience into your present, but that's what my nose says is probably responsible for an inexplicable switch to a read-only filesystem. If I were you, I'd be checking out the connections to the drive, and still making plans to move to a new hard drive even if they check out. -- D. Michael McIntyre From bbales at cox.net Sun Mar 16 18:07:27 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:07:27 -0500 Subject: Entire partition locked up during upgrade In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0803161025j7bd228e6rf52367a669f1d0a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200803161140.44782.bbales@cox.net> <9bed467e0803161025j7bd228e6rf52367a669f1d0a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803161307.27313.bbales@cox.net> On Sunday 16 March 2008 12:25, Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Bruce Bales wrote: > > I was running Kubuntu Gutsy on a 386 machine. Started an apt-get > > update and then apt-get upgrade. In the middle of the upgrade, > > I started seeing: > > rm: cannot remove /usr/foo .......... Read-only file system > > I have seen the whole "Read-only file system" thing come up, but > not while upgrading the system. I was unable to boot from the hard > drive at all because my problem was that the connection to the hard > drive came loose. If you are able to boot from another partition > on this hard drive, then that doesn't seem to be your problem. I > would suggest booting from a live CD, mount the partition read-only > and then backup all your data (couldn't hurt). After that I would > check out /boot/grub/menu.lst and maybe /etc/fstab to see if you > can find out why you can't boot off of the partition. I hope > someone who is more knowledgeable can help you out with this one. > > Also, I am pretty sure that apt-get upgrade has nothing to do with > the problem; probably just bad timing. > > HTH, > Andrew Thanks, Andrew. I guess I can back up my data pretty easily without the live CD. I have the faulty partition mounted as /media/hdd1 on this system. /boot/grub/menu.lst doesn't look much like that in this 6.06 system, but I don't know enough to say if anything is wrong. They both have the ro in them. During boot, the 7.10 system always gave me a black screen for several minutes, which I never did like. title Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic root (hd2,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=a2b57a3e-4df6-47ce-b9f2-b8d0867a9 d1f ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic quiet bruce From Michael.Zoet at michaelzoet.de Sun Mar 16 18:56:52 2008 From: Michael.Zoet at michaelzoet.de (Michael Zoet) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:56:52 +0100 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <47DD6D74.30606@michaelzoet.de> > > 1 Am I right in assuming that 64bit Linux has improved since I tried it? Ubuntu Gutsy improved a lot for 64 bit. Acrobat, Flashplugin, Skype and so on are now availaible as packages for 64 bit. Installation is realy easy now. > 2 If the answer to that is yes, are there good reasons to move to 64bit? I think you have to decide for yourself > 3 Are there still some problems with it? The only problems I have are with the games X2 and Neverwinter Nights. But these 2 apps are not so important and until now I had no time to search for a solution to get them running. May be there is one. > 4 Do many people on the list use it or are most still on 32bit? I take care of several smal bussiness networks with Ubuntu Gutsy and on new systems I install only Ubuntu 64 bit. Since Gutsy no one complaines about missing the flash player :-). My customers are mostly normal office users and are happy :-). > 5 Does anyone have suggestions, advice, help for me about this? I think you have to try for yourself! For me 64 bit Ubuntu works fine and the problems I have, are not 64 bit related. Hope this helps. Michael From bbales at cox.net Sun Mar 16 19:22:09 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:22:09 -0500 Subject: Entire partition locked up during upgrade In-Reply-To: <200803161356.38452.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200803161140.44782.bbales@cox.net> <200803161356.38452.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200803161422.09820.bbales@cox.net> On Sunday 16 March 2008 12:56, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Bruce Bales wrote: > > rm: cannot remove /usr/foo .......... Read-only file system > > > > over and over. > > The real key to this one is probably in /var/log/syslog or > somewhere else in /var/log. I don't see any clues in the text you > posted. One scenario is that there are some I/O or similar errors > in the logs. > > Unless I've done it myself, it seems Ubuntu defaults to mounting > with errors=remount-ro which is an EXTREMELY EXCELLENT practice. > If you don't have this option in place, then what happens is you > get some kind of low level error, and life continues on oblivious > to the problem. Eventually you get to witness a catastrophic and > total filesystem failure, and then a kernel panic. > > Been there, done that, in case you hadn't guessed. It was a bad > hard drive in my case, but it never looked like a bad hard drive. > Passed the SMART test and anything else I could think to throw at > it, and seemed like it was always something else, until the day the > hard drive finally revealed itself as the culprit by sitting there > going click click click. Literally less than 12 hours after I had > done a full backup. That was lucky! > > Anyway, I could be reading too much of my own past experience into > your present, but that's what my nose says is probably responsible > for an inexplicable switch to a read-only filesystem. If I were > you, I'd be checking out the connections to the drive, and still > making plans to move to a new hard drive even if they check out. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre Thanks, Michael. The syslogs are full of useless entries -- each time I mount a camera or thumbdrive and worse, everytime spamd looks at an email. I can't find any errors there. grep err doesn't bring up anything. I'll shut down and check connections. bruce From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Mar 16 19:23:47 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:23:47 -0400 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0803161005se2db8d4ib95e864da633d4b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <9bed467e0803161005se2db8d4ib95e864da633d4b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DD73C3.70207@mike-leone.com> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 5:06 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: >> 1 Am I right in assuming that 64bit Linux has improved since I tried it? > > I started using 64-bit recently, but it still looks like it is > improving (slowly but surely). > >> 2 If the answer to that is yes, are there good reasons to move to 64bit? > > Hrmmm... More than 3.8 GB of RAM (my reason), better number crunching > (especially w/ floating point), and not having your computer crap out > in 2038. You expect to be using that particular hardware for the next 30+ years, so that date problem is a real show-stopper for you? :-) From hunkumori at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 20:25:12 2008 From: hunkumori at gmail.com (Asuka Langley) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:25:12 +0100 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <347f0cf50803161325r1a4422e0w3c58b002cd765dbe@mail.gmail.com> Hello. Maybe a lot of people answered, but I want to tell my opinion too. I using amd64 Kubuntu since few monts. 1 Am I right in assuming that 64bit Linux has improved since I tried it? - YES, a lot I think...as I experienced.. 2 If the answer to that is yes, are there good reasons to move to 64bit? - again, YES.. 30-40% faster working, compiling and faster boot, shutdown 3 Are there still some problems with it? - I don't think so. I using FF3in1 script what installs me a Firefox32 bit browser with flash+java support. Then I installed a GTK theme and everything works flawlessly. 4 Do many people on the list use it or are most still on 32bit? - Only one pc using 32bit at home, other two are using 64. After the new parts arrived, I will install amd64 on that too. It's just faster. 5 Does anyone have suggestions, advice, help for me about this? - Yes, use the script for easy install of java+flash (ff3in1( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1174435) - other one, use ENVY to install Nvidia/ATi drivers (It compiles the amd64 drivers better than the simple install does). - Uhm..there was a memory leak in the def. kernel in the 7.10, but Hardy using the 2.6.24 based one.. so I don't know any other problems. 2008/3/16, Neil Winchurst : > > In May 2008 I bought a new computer (set up to my specs), which > included a 64bit AMD processor. At the time my distro was Mandriva so > I installed Mandriva 2006 64bit. I soon realised that it was early > days for 64bit on Linux, (eg some packages were available in 32bit > versions only). Before long I decided to start again so I installed the > 32bit version instead. > > In October 2006 I moved over to Kubuntu and installed Edgy, the 32bit > version. This is the distro that I am still using. My HD has now > reached the stage where it needs a good clear out and tidy up. I have > decided that the best and easiest way would be a completely fresh > install. > > I am planning to install Kubuntu Hardy when it comes out next month. > Meanwhile it has occurred to me that 64bit Linux must have improved a > lot in the nearly two years since I tried it out. So at last to my > questions. > > 1 Am I right in assuming that 64bit Linux has improved since I tried it? > 2 If the answer to that is yes, are there good reasons to move to 64bit? > 3 Are there still some problems with it? > 4 Do many people on the list use it or are most still on 32bit? > 5 Does anyone have suggestions, advice, help for me about this? > > Many thanks > > Neil Winchurst > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 20:26:59 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:26:59 -0400 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <47DD73C3.70207@mike-leone.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <9bed467e0803161005se2db8d4ib95e864da633d4b1@mail.gmail.com> <47DD73C3.70207@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0803161326g10726ec5h8bae02df5cb63cfe@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Michael Leone wrote: > Andrew Jarrett wrote: > > and not having your computer crap out > > in 2038. > > You expect to be using that particular hardware for the next 30+ years, > so that date problem is a real show-stopper for you? :-) I sure do; I told the guy at the flea market I didn't want to buy another computer for at least 50 years. He told me that this one was the pinnacle of modern technology: 200 (*! Two Hundred !*) MeagerHurts AMD K5 (dual core and 64-bit processing, of course, but it also had this new thing called Risk Processing -- I think all those fancy Vegas slot machines use it), 128 RP (Ram-power -- he said it was enough to pull 95 windows), and a *really big* hard drive (approximately 6 cubic feet). I want this computer to last 50 years, is that such an unrealistic expectation? Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From joelol75 at verizon.net Sun Mar 16 23:20:50 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:20:50 -0400 Subject: Terminal Mode Only In-Reply-To: References: <200803130714.59393.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <47DDAB52.2030204@verizon.net> Bill wrote: > Will Guy's > The 'sudo aptitude install Kubuntu-desktop' command followed with a > reboot/restart WORKED!!! I've got my Desktop back!! > > Thank you very much!!! > > However, when the Desktop came up, it told me my previous KDE4 session had > been corrupted, and KDE4 was not available. Then it only gave me the option > of a Default Desktop (KDE3). > > Is it smart or even safe to reinstall KDE4? I plan on running in KDE3 until > I read some responses. > > Thx > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of David McGlone > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:15 AM > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Subject: Re: Terminal Mode Only > > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 5:37:02 pm Francisco Borges wrote: > >> Hello Bill, >> >> I would first try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop. Just >> >> aptitude install kubuntu-desktop >> >> Should do. That is just to be sure you have everything you should have >> installed. >> > > After you try this, if it doesn't work, Here is a trick I do, I go > into /etc/X11 you should see files xorg.conf~, xorg.conf.1, xorg.conf.2 etc, > > etc. rename your xorg.conf to one of the files with a number, usually 1 will > > do, then restart your xserver, if that don't work try another. the lower > numbers are the most recent. > > When I do this, I always take the xorg.conf and rename it xorg.conf.bak and > then rename one of the other xorg.conf.1 or 2 etc etc files to xorg.conf. > Once you find the one that was working, back it up ie: cp xorg.conf > xorg.conf.bak.saved > > > It sounds like you may have installed kdm4 from the repositories to sample kde 4. If you plan on using kde 4 you should still use kdm from kde 3 as there is bugs in kdm4. You can remove and reinstall kde 4, just remember that removing kde4 won't always remove your settings (Where the 'corruption' may be) You can try these commands to make sure kdm 3 is the default desktop manager (from konsole or a terminal. Use sudo in front if you never set up a root account) apt-get remove kdm-kde4 apt-get install kdm (If it says kdm is already the newest version you can try: apt-get install --reinstall kdm (Or if you wish: dpkg-reconfigure kdm) to make sure kdm is the default (If you also installed ubuntu-desktop for gnome, gdm will install, but you should keep kdm as default [but you don't have to]) Just that the kdm-kde4 package shouldn't be used as it's buggy and experimental at the time From casperskovby at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 00:07:13 2008 From: casperskovby at gmail.com (Casper Skovby) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:07:13 +0100 Subject: Wireless problems with wicd Message-ID: <47DDB631.5080506@gmail.com> Hi, I run Kubuntu 7.10 and have a problem connecting to the internet through wireless using wicd. I have used knetworkmanager until now but it does not automatically enable the wireless network when starting my computer. Then I have tried to install wicd and this actually enable the wireless network. But when I try to connect to a specific network it cannot find the ip-address and does not connect. I have entered the encryption code of the network. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? Kind regards Casper From joelol75 at verizon.net Mon Mar 17 01:58:38 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:58:38 -0400 Subject: Wireless problems with wicd In-Reply-To: <47DDB631.5080506@gmail.com> References: <47DDB631.5080506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DDD04E.90108@verizon.net> Casper Skovby wrote: > Hi, > > I run Kubuntu 7.10 and have a problem connecting to the internet through > wireless using wicd. I have used knetworkmanager until now but it does > not automatically enable the wireless network when starting my computer. > Then I have tried to install wicd and this actually enable the wireless > network. But when I try to connect to a specific network it cannot find > the ip-address and does not connect. I have entered the encryption code > of the network. > > Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? > > Kind regards > Casper > > > Maybe you need to enable a DHCP server on your wireless network (On the router). Or setup a static IP and enter the IP/Netmask and DNS servers by hand. Joel. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 05:33:46 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:33:46 +0200 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0803161326g10726ec5h8bae02df5cb63cfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <47DD73C3.70207@mike-leone.com> <9bed467e0803161326g10726ec5h8bae02df5cb63cfe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803170733.46611.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I told the guy at the flea market ... lol, meager hurts. :D +5 /. funny. /d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 05:35:31 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:35:31 +0200 Subject: 64bit Linux In-Reply-To: <347f0cf50803161325r1a4422e0w3c58b002cd765dbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080316090654.2955b04d.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <347f0cf50803161325r1a4422e0w3c58b002cd765dbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803170735.31300.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Maybe a lot of people answered, but I want to tell my opinion too. I using > amd64 Kubuntu since few monts. Thanks, that was encouraging info. \d From pcpinkerton at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 15:37:12 2008 From: pcpinkerton at gmail.com (Phil Pinkerton) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:37:12 -0400 Subject: ialib32 broken Message-ID: Any ideas when the ialib32 issue will be resolved ?? I am using Kubuntu hardy amd64 and the install seems to be broken. Thanks -- " The fundamental principle here is that the justification for a physical concept lies exclusively in its clear an unambiguous relation to the facts it can be experienced" AE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phredsky at earthlink.net Tue Mar 18 01:24:48 2008 From: phredsky at earthlink.net (Fred Schuelzky) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:24:48 -0500 Subject: corrupted file removal Message-ID: <47DF19E0.1040609@earthlink.net> The other nite I tried to install goggleearth from the medibuntu site. At the EULA, yes or no prompt I became confused or crs hit me. Now I am unable to use update mgr. Snyaptic gives me this message E: goggleearth: Package is in a very inconsistant state - you should the error message stops there, i should what? Any ideas on how to remove this corrupted package Tia Fred From james at gray.net.au Tue Mar 18 03:14:48 2008 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:14:48 +1100 Subject: corrupted file removal In-Reply-To: <47DF19E0.1040609@earthlink.net> References: <47DF19E0.1040609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 18/03/2008, at 12:24 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: > The other nite I tried to install goggleearth from the medibuntu site. > At the EULA, yes or no prompt I became confused or crs hit me. Now > I am > unable to use update mgr. Snyaptic gives me this message E: > goggleearth: Package is in a very inconsistant state - you should > the error message stops there, i should what? > > Any ideas on how to remove this corrupted package Try on the command line (xterm/gterm/etc): sudo apt-get -f remove That should try to fix any packages that have been left in an inconsistent state (-f means "fix broken") removing them in the process (if possible). If that completes you should be able to use Synaptic etc and add/remove any packages as normal. If it fails, please post back with the exact error you get. Good luck, James From phredsky at earthlink.net Tue Mar 18 04:45:04 2008 From: phredsky at earthlink.net (Fred Schuelzky) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:45:04 -0500 Subject: corrupted file removal In-Reply-To: References: <47DF19E0.1040609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47DF48D0.5050603@earthlink.net> James Gray wrote: > On 18/03/2008, at 12:24 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: > > >> The other nite I tried to install goggleearth from the medibuntu site. >> At the EULA, yes or no prompt I became confused or crs hit me. Now >> I am >> unable to use update mgr. Snyaptic gives me this message E: >> goggleearth: Package is in a very inconsistant state - you should >> the error message stops there, i should what? >> >> Any ideas on how to remove this corrupted package >> > > Try on the command line (xterm/gterm/etc): > sudo apt-get -f remove > > That should try to fix any packages that have been left in an > inconsistent state (-f means "fix broken") removing them in the > process (if possible). If that completes you should be able to use > Synaptic etc and add/remove any packages as normal. > > If it fails, please post back with the exact error you get. > > Good luck, > > James > > James thanks a million! Your fix got me fixed. I thought we were going to remove the package the sudo apt-get -f remove command actually reinstalled the package. When I tried the update manager it actually updated googleearth to the latest version. I sure appreciate your help thanks Fred From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 18 12:24:50 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:24:50 -0300 Subject: corrupted file removal References: <47DF19E0.1040609@earthlink.net> <47DF48D0.5050603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3436342.4xemyhCDEp@cedar.serverforest.com> Fred Schuelzky wrote: > James Gray wrote: >> On 18/03/2008, at 12:24 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: >> >> >>> The other nite I tried to install goggleearth from the medibuntu site. >>> At the EULA, yes or no prompt I became confused or crs hit me. Now >>> I am >>> unable to use update mgr. Snyaptic gives me this message E: >>> goggleearth: Package is in a very inconsistant state - you should >>> the error message stops there, i should what? >>> >>> Any ideas on how to remove this corrupted package >>> >> >> Try on the command line (xterm/gterm/etc): >> sudo apt-get -f remove > > James thanks a million! Your fix got me fixed. I thought we were going > to remove the package the sudo apt-get -f remove command actually > reinstalled the package. > When I tried the update manager it actually updated googleearth to > the latest version. He thought it was going to "remove" too :-) Basically, aiui, if you don't specify a package name, "apt-get -f" is going to do the same thing with _either_ install or remove, which is to fix any broken packages - usually by installing any dependencies or configuring anything not yet configured. -- derek From jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org Tue Mar 18 12:41:06 2008 From: jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:41:06 +0100 Subject: change resoloution Message-ID: Hi, How can I change my resoloution, if STRG-SHIFT-+,- (I have a laptop and numlock isn't working at all) KDE Control Center don't work? Is there any command I can run manually? I recently ran a game in wine and it changed my resoloution but I couldn't get it back afterwards :-( Jan From donn.ingle at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 13:04:28 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:04:28 +0200 Subject: change resoloution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803181504.28274.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > How can I change my resoloution, if I noticed this when I came to Kubuntu from Fedora. I think you need a bunch of alternative resolutions in the xorg.conf file for that to work. > Is there any command I can run manually? No idea, wouldn't surprise me :) \d From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Tue Mar 18 13:09:29 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:09:29 +0000 Subject: change resoloution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080318130917.9A79A12880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> At 12:41 18/03/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > >How can I change my resoloution, if > STRG-SHIFT-+,- (I have a laptop and numlock isn't working at all) > KDE Control Center >don't work? > >Is there any command I can run manually? > >I recently ran a game in wine and it changed my resoloution but I couldn't >get it back afterwards :-( > >Jan Is it this you need? sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf I think it was this one I used after setting up a computer for a friend at home, using my 4/3 monitor, then had to re configure it for a wide screen. Dave From spwhite at freesurf.ch Tue Mar 18 18:41:45 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:41:45 +0100 Subject: change resoloution In-Reply-To: <20080318130917.9A79A12880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> References: <20080318130917.9A79A12880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> Message-ID: <200803181941.45619.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Tuesday 18 March 2008 14:09, David Fletcher wrote: > At 12:41 18/03/2008, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >How can I change my resoloution, if > > STRG-SHIFT-+,- (I have a laptop and numlock isn't working at all) > > KDE Control Center > >don't work? > > > >Is there any command I can run manually? > > > >I recently ran a game in wine and it changed my resoloution but I couldn't > >get it back afterwards :-( > > > >Jan > > Is it this you need? > > sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf > > I think it was this one I used after setting up a computer for a > friend at home, using my 4/3 monitor, then had to re configure it for > a wide screen. > > Dave Not sure about (K)Ubuntu, but under Suze (uses Sax2 to configure) I have many screen resolutions and I can switch with "ctrl-alt +" between them. I hope I will attain a "mastery" of Kubuntu that would rival. Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #102: Power company testing new voltage spike (creation) equipment From james.gray at dot.com.au Tue Mar 18 21:00:18 2008 From: james.gray at dot.com.au (James Gray) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:00:18 +1100 Subject: corrupted file removal In-Reply-To: <47DF48D0.5050603@earthlink.net> References: <47DF19E0.1040609@earthlink.net> <47DF48D0.5050603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47E02D62.4010601@dot.com.au> Fred Schuelzky wrote: > James Gray wrote: >> On 18/03/2008, at 12:24 PM, Fred Schuelzky wrote: >> >> >>> The other nite I tried to install goggleearth from the medibuntu site. >>> At the EULA, yes or no prompt I became confused or crs hit me. Now >>> I am >>> unable to use update mgr. Snyaptic gives me this message E: >>> goggleearth: Package is in a very inconsistant state - you should >>> the error message stops there, i should what? >>> >>> Any ideas on how to remove this corrupted package >>> >> Try on the command line (xterm/gterm/etc): >> sudo apt-get -f remove >> >> >> > James thanks a million! Your fix got me fixed. I thought we were going > to remove the package the sudo apt-get -f remove command actually > reinstalled the package. > When I tried the update manager it actually updated googleearth to > the latest version. > > I sure appreciate your help No problem Fred. Glad it all worked out for you. The main goal with the "apt-get -f ..." is to get your package manager into a sane state. After that you can add/remove whatever you like. To be honest, I've only used "-f install" when recovering from broken installs, not removals. I just assumed "-f remove" would reverse the logic...apparently not :P Serves me right for not testing it before making assertions - heheh. Anyway, thanks for letting us know your system's back to normal. It's nice to know the community still works :) Peace, James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3253 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From jpbroad1970 at btinternet.com Tue Mar 18 23:02:40 2008 From: jpbroad1970 at btinternet.com (John) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:02:40 -0000 Subject: Help Message-ID: Hi I'm sure you have been asked before but I am a novice to kubuntu although I am used to windows' have installed kubuntu on my spare pc and I am well pleased so easy to use apart from I needed a shockwave plug in, I have down loaded this ok but something appears to be going terribly wrong when trying to install it. 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Can any one give me an idiot proof guide to > this as i'm sure once I have done 1 it will all become clear Hi, John. I may be completely off about this and if you hear from someone more knowledgeable than me, feel free to ignore this. My experience goes thusly: I installed Kubuntu, installed the restricted packages, and Flash worked very well in Konqueror (the default web browser for Kubuntu). An update or two later, it stopped. I nearly scratched a bald spot on my head before I figured that *something* had installed a file called "flashplugin-alternative.so" in one of my plugin directories. I deleted it and Flash worked fine. A couple of updates later, the same thing happened, only this time (in order to vex me, I suppose) it stuck that file in three places and each time I deleted one, Konqueror would find the other. Thankfully, though, that's the last time that file was put on my system. You can check to see if this is the case for your system by opening up Konqueror (the web browser - if you're using Firefox, say so), clicking on "Setting" and then "Configure Konqueror..." In the new window, scroll down until you see "Plugins" on the left and click on it. On the right, you'll see two tabs, "Scan" and "Plugins". Click on "Plugins" and in the list you'll either see "flashplugin-alternative.so" or "libflashplayer.so". If you see the first, you'll also see where on the filesystem it is. If you get rid of it, scan for plugins again and see if it finds the other. Anyway, that's all I got. I strongly suggest listening to what anyone else says first. From yuriy-kozlov at kubuntu.org Wed Mar 19 01:50:20 2008 From: yuriy-kozlov at kubuntu.org (Yuriy Kozlov) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:50:20 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Hug Day - 20 March 2008 Message-ID: <714626160803181850gfe3dde5qeb9018fc71aee0d9@mail.gmail.com> Hello Kubuntu Lovers, Following with the Thursdays Hug Days, this Thursday, March 20th we'll be celebrating a KNetworkManager Hug Day: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080320/KDE Our goal is to deal with all of the bugs on that list. Who can join the Hug Day? Everyone. You don't need to be a developer. You don't need to know to code. Everyone is welcome. If you don't know how to help, then just come and we'll explain you everything. In a Bug Day, you can * work in a nice team, * make sure the bug reporters' concerns are heard, * gather all the information needed so developers can fix bugs, * close useless bug reports, * find out where the bugs come from, and eventually * work together with upstream to make changes happen, * get experience in hacking and fixing bugs. Where to join the Hug Day? #ubuntu-bugs on freenode IRC. And you can go there every other day too! When to join the Hug Day? Next hug day is on Thursday, March 20th, 2008 In all timezones. But again, you can go there every day and help with triaging the bug tracking systems. While you are welcome to apply to join the Ubuntu Bug Control team at anytime, Hug Day is a great day to join! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugControl If you're interested in helping to make the next release of Ubuntu even better - please stop by. And feel free to ask bdmurray, ogasawara, pedro, heno, yuriy and the rest of the team for ways to help out. We hope to see you there and your name on the list of bug triagers! Have a nice day, ~ Yuriy From chadthecommie at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 01:50:54 2008 From: chadthecommie at gmail.com (Chad Moore) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:50:54 -0500 Subject: Help plz, I am having a problem with my connection speed. Message-ID: <23e1b420803181850l3dc2d04eh17ee5c5a6c1dc9db@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, I something really weird happened to my internet a couple weeks back and I need to figure out what the problem is. It all started when I manually refreshed the connection to my internet. I turned off my computer when i did that...normal shut down. Unplugged the modem...unplugged the router for about 10 minutes...plugged it back in and started up my computer. I'm using a wireless card. When I tried to connect to it again...FAIL! It took me 20 minutes to try and fix the problem and i still don't know how I did it. Ever since then the internet has been really screwy. I would be on for about 20 minutes to 1 hour and all of a sudden the speed drops down to a snails pace and I have to reconnect to the router to fix it. Just by right clicking the icon and clicking on my router. I tried reinstall the primary network drivers and software with no results. Any ideas? Thanks a lot guys...still a n00b to this linux thing. I'm using KDE btw. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anton at wilddsl.net.au Thu Mar 13 10:21:38 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:21:38 +1100 Subject: kmail In-Reply-To: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <223966.53951.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D90032.405@wilddsl.net.au> Tom R wrote: > Jamie, > Also, if you've got a bad configuration of kmail, you > can get rid of it by deleting the following > files/folders: > /home//.kde/share/config/kmail.eventsrc > /home//.kde/share/config/kmailrc > /home//.kde/share/apps/kmail > Once they are gone, kmail should start to the > configuration wizard. > > Thomas I would first try to use Adept to remove and then reinstall kmail. It might be just one corrupt file somewhere. Anton. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 06:50:12 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:50:12 +0200 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E0B7A4.9090406@gmail.com> John wrote: > Hi > > > > I’m sure you have been asked before but I am a novice to kubuntu > although I am used to windows’ have installed kubuntu on my spare pc and > I am well pleased so easy to use apart from I needed a shockwave plug > in, I have down loaded this ok but something appears to be going > terribly wrong when trying to install it. I followed the instructions on > the website but it just doesn’t seem to do anything. Can any one give me > an idiot proof guide to this as i'm sure once I have done 1 it will all > become clear As far as I know Shockwave is simply not supported under Linux. There are apparently ways to make it run using Wine but if you check Adobe's website there is no mention of Linux: http://www.adobe.com/products/shockwaveplayer/productinfo/systemreqs/ or for that matter Firefox/Mozilla hopefully someone else can correct me... Sinclair From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Mar 19 07:22:28 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:22:28 +0100 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: <200803182019.00710.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200803182019.00710.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1205911348.17007.1.camel@ai> www.getautmatix.com and install it :) it can install most of all needed softs :) Le mardi 18 mars 2008 à 20:19 -0500, Constantinos Maltezos a écrit : > On Tuesday 18 March 2008 6:02:40 John wrote: > > I'm sure you have been asked before but I am a novice to kubuntu although I > > am used to windows' have installed kubuntu on my spare pc and I am well > > pleased so easy to use apart from I needed a shockwave plug in, I have down > > loaded this ok but something appears to be going terribly wrong when trying > > to install it. I followed the instructions on the website but it just > > doesn't seem to do anything. Can any one give me an idiot proof guide to > > this as i'm sure once I have done 1 it will all become clear > > Hi, John. > > I may be completely off about this and if you hear from someone more > knowledgeable than me, feel free to ignore this. My experience goes thusly: > I installed Kubuntu, installed the restricted packages, and Flash worked very > well in Konqueror (the default web browser for Kubuntu). An update or two > later, it stopped. I nearly scratched a bald spot on my head before I > figured that *something* had installed a file > called "flashplugin-alternative.so" in one of my plugin directories. I > deleted it and Flash worked fine. A couple of updates later, the same thing > happened, only this time (in order to vex me, I suppose) it stuck that file > in three places and each time I deleted one, Konqueror would find the other. > Thankfully, though, that's the last time that file was put on my system. > > You can check to see if this is the case for your system by opening up > Konqueror (the web browser - if you're using Firefox, say so), clicking > on "Setting" and then "Configure Konqueror..." In the new window, scroll > down until you see "Plugins" on the left and click on it. On the right, > you'll see two tabs, "Scan" and "Plugins". Click on "Plugins" and in the > list you'll either see "flashplugin-alternative.so" or "libflashplayer.so". > If you see the first, you'll also see where on the filesystem it is. If you > get rid of it, scan for plugins again and see if it finds the other. > > Anyway, that's all I got. I strongly suggest listening to what anyone else > says first. > From pandarsson at yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 07:25:56 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:25:56 -0500 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: <47E0B7A4.9090406@gmail.com> References: <47E0B7A4.9090406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803190225.56906.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 1:50:12 O. Sinclair wrote: > > I’m sure you have been asked before but I am a novice to kubuntu > > although I am used to windows’ have installed kubuntu on my spare pc and > > I am well pleased so easy to use apart from I needed a shockwave plug > > in, I have down loaded this ok but something appears to be going > > terribly wrong when trying to install it. I followed the instructions on > > the website but it just doesn’t seem to do anything. Can any one give me > > an idiot proof guide to this as i'm sure once I have done 1 it will all > > become clear My previous reply hasn't posted yet, but please ignore it.  I had a fever and somehow misread the issue. From philbieber at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 07:49:07 2008 From: philbieber at gmail.com (Phil Bieber) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:49:07 +0100 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: <1205911348.17007.1.camel@ai> References: <200803182019.00710.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <1205911348.17007.1.camel@ai> Message-ID: <3b27fa9d0803190049i60b7942cx898f630f9791f1a8@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Girard Henri wrote: > www.getautmatix.com > and install it :) > it can install most of all needed softs :) > Le mardi 18 mars 2008 à 20:19 -0500, Constantinos Maltezos a écrit : > > > > On Tuesday 18 March 2008 6:02:40 John wrote: > > > I'm sure you have been asked before but I am a novice to kubuntu although I > > > am used to windows' have installed kubuntu on my spare pc and I am well > > > pleased so easy to use apart from I needed a shockwave plug in, I have down > > > loaded this ok but something appears to be going terribly wrong when trying > > > to install it. I followed the instructions on the website but it just > > > doesn't seem to do anything. Can any one give me an idiot proof guide to > > > this as i'm sure once I have done 1 it will all become clear > > > > Hi, John. > > > > I may be completely off about this and if you hear from someone more > > knowledgeable than me, feel free to ignore this. My experience goes thusly: > > I installed Kubuntu, installed the restricted packages, and Flash worked very > > well in Konqueror (the default web browser for Kubuntu). An update or two > > later, it stopped. I nearly scratched a bald spot on my head before I > > figured that *something* had installed a file > > called "flashplugin-alternative.so" in one of my plugin directories. I > > deleted it and Flash worked fine. A couple of updates later, the same thing > > happened, only this time (in order to vex me, I suppose) it stuck that file > > in three places and each time I deleted one, Konqueror would find the other. > > Thankfully, though, that's the last time that file was put on my system. > > > > You can check to see if this is the case for your system by opening up > > Konqueror (the web browser - if you're using Firefox, say so), clicking > > on "Setting" and then "Configure Konqueror..." In the new window, scroll > > down until you see "Plugins" on the left and click on it. On the right, > > you'll see two tabs, "Scan" and "Plugins". Click on "Plugins" and in the > > list you'll either see "flashplugin-alternative.so" or "libflashplayer.so". > > If you see the first, you'll also see where on the filesystem it is. If you > > get rid of it, scan for plugins again and see if it finds the other. > > > > Anyway, that's all I got. I strongly suggest listening to what anyone else > > says first. Hi! I remember severel devs (or people that seemed to know better =/ ) advising that users should use automatix. It was because automatix did not use aptititude / apt-get to download and isntall software but rather just downoaded the debs and installed them. If that changed, OK, but if not, your next update might break some things. I had that experience myself and it wasnt pretty... Just a word of warning... and nothing on the issue itself... sorry Cheers anyway! Phil Bieber -- Avoid rape - say yes! Warnings from the manual for Layer Express v2 (an AutoCAD extension): Written on Page 12 (Blank page separating Ch. 1 & 2): To reduce the risk of shock, Do not remove the cover of this book. No serviceable components inside. GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber): 0x0185E301 FINGERPRINT: CA81 28C2 E63F DAF8 5ED4 DACB 7C26 EE5B 0185 E301 Phil Bieber - philbieber at gmail.com GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber Work): 0x3E43576A FINGERPRINT: F043 92A1 2A2C 5256 52A9 DECB A39F B04C 3E43 576A Philipp Bieber - philipp.bieber at gundlach.de From lanzenesi at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 07:51:47 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:51:47 +0100 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803190851.47746.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 00:02:40 John wrote: > have downloaded this ok but something appears to be going terribly wrong > when trying to install it. I followed the instructions on the website but > it just doesn't seem to do anything. How did you installed it? And is itfor Firefox you want it working or konqueror? You should have a libflashplayer.so in ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins and maybe a link to it somewhere for konqueror, I don't remember the path just now. -- lanzen From kassube at gmx.net Wed Mar 19 08:05:20 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:05:20 +0100 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: <1205911348.17007.1.camel@ai> References: <200803182019.00710.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <1205911348.17007.1.camel@ai> Message-ID: <200803190905.20255.kassube@gmx.net> Girard Henri wrote: > www.getautmatix.com > and install it :) > it can install most of all needed softs :) It isn't supported and it can lead to some problems. Please don't promote Automatix without warning. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatixIssues Nils From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 14:32:20 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:32:20 +0200 Subject: dvd drive stopped working Message-ID: <200803191632.20852.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Yo, I finally took my machine down and opened it today - I reseated the cables in the DVD drive and went into the BIOS and it shows the drive is there. When I boot Gutsy it takes *forever* and reports "hdb: drive not ready for command" over and over. This happened quite suddenly a few weeks ago and I have not had the use of the drive since then. I was hoping that pushing all the cables in again would fix things, but nope... Is there any new issue with dvd/cd drives that I missed? Perhaps some tweak or module or something? Or is my drive toast? This is my current spec: Linux ddm 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 14:34:47 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:34:47 +0200 Subject: e-sata question Message-ID: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Yo, again :) I also got an external drive and while it works via usb, it supports e-sata and I did all the relevant plugging-into the m/b I (think) I need. I also enabled all SATA stuff I could find in the BIOS. Gutsy does zip as far as I can see when I turn the drive on. Not a peep in dmesg, nor /var/log/messages and certainly no icon on the desktop. Is there something I need to do, or is e-sata a non-starter on Kubuntu? \d From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Wed Mar 19 15:14:20 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:14:20 +0000 Subject: dvd drive stopped working In-Reply-To: <200803191632.20852.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191632.20852.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080319151431.D586612880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> At 14:32 19/03/2008, you wrote: >Yo, >I finally took my machine down and opened it today - I reseated the cables in >the DVD drive and went into the BIOS and it shows the drive is there. > >When I boot Gutsy it takes *forever* and reports "hdb: drive not ready for >command" over and over. > >This happened quite suddenly a few weeks ago and I have not had the >use of the >drive since then. I was hoping that pushing all the cables in again would fix >things, but nope... > >Is there any new issue with dvd/cd drives that I missed? Perhaps >some tweak or >module or something? Or is my drive toast? I've had a couple of them just die on me, even though they don't get used much and they were not from cheap sounding manufacturers either shall we say. Thing is with these, they've become so cheap that it's hardly worth fooling around with them - if it's stopped working my advice would be to just order a new one with SATA if your motherboard supports it, and toss the old one in the recycling skip when the new one is installed and working. The only Gutsy issue that I have with these, is that the K3B function to verify writing to a DVD doesn't work, but I think everybody has that problem. Maybe it will be fixed in Hardy. Dave From wurmdario at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 22:24:07 2008 From: wurmdario at gmail.com (Dario Figueira) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:24:07 +0000 Subject: How to set an Enviroment variable? Message-ID: the subject says it all, in Windows i know how, My Computer proprieties -> advanced and it's there and here? :) thanks in advance -- Dario Figueira - IST nº 54545 - Delegado 5º Ano de MEEC no google ^^ wurmdario at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Mar 19 23:10:29 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:10:29 -0300 Subject: How to set an Enviroment variable? References: Message-ID: <1579109.Ghij4jnPSM@cedar.serverforest.com> Dario Figueira wrote: > the subject says it all, in Windows i know how, My Computer proprieties -> > advanced and it's there > and here? :) export abc=xyz Now, how you make it stick is a whole other problem. It's really not as simple as saying "how do I set an environment variable". There are a lot of options. To set a variable for a specific program invocation, you can just use: # variable=value program e.g.: # LANG=fr_CA kate To set a variable for a user at login, you can use the export command in the ~/.bashrc file. To set it for everybody, you could use /etc/profile -- derek From karlok at fastmail.fm Thu Mar 20 03:04:33 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:04:33 -0700 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E1D441.2080205@fastmail.fm> John wrote: > I’m sure you have been asked before but I am a novice to kubuntu > although I am used to windows’ have installed kubuntu on my spare pc and > I am well pleased so easy to use apart from I needed a shockwave plug > in, I have down loaded this ok but something appears to be going > terribly wrong when trying to install it. I followed the instructions on > the website but it just doesn’t seem to do anything. Can any one give me > an idiot proof guide to this as i'm sure once I have done 1 it will all > become clear > I recall from a previous thread on this list that there is no shockwave for linux. If what you actually want is the flash player, just install the flashplugin-nonfree package using adept (gui) or the apt-get command: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree This is the package description included in the package: This package will download the Flash Player from Adobe. It is a Netscape/Mozilla type plugin. Any browser based on Netscape or Mozilla can use the Flash plugin. This package currently supports the following browsers: Mozilla, Mozilla-Firefox, Firefox, Iceweasel, and Iceape. Also Galeon and Epiphany can use the Flash plugin. Konqueror can also use the Flash plugin if konqueror-nsplugins is installed. Karl From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 06:17:19 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:17:19 +0200 Subject: dvd drive stopped working In-Reply-To: <20080319151431.D586612880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> References: <200803191632.20852.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080319151431.D586612880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> Message-ID: <200803200817.19369.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Thing is with these, they've become so cheap that it's hardly worth > fooling around with them - if it's stopped working my advice would be > to just order a new one with SATA if your motherboard supports it, > and toss the old one in the recycling skip when the new one is > installed and working. Aw man ... I may well have to. \d From francisco.borges at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 09:30:49 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:30:49 +0100 Subject: How to set an Enviroment variable? In-Reply-To: <1579109.Ghij4jnPSM@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1579109.Ghij4jnPSM@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: Hello, On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dario Figueira wrote: > > > the subject says it all, in Windows i know how, My Computer proprieties -> > > advanced and it's there > > and here? :) > > export abc=xyz > To set a variable for a specific program invocation, you can just use: > > # variable=value program > > e.g.: > > # LANG=fr_CA kate > > To set a variable for a user at login, you can use the export command in the > ~/.bashrc file. >From the bash manual: ========= When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a non-interactive shell with the --login option, it first reads and executes commands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists. After reading that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, ========= So as far as I can tell, bash will only read ~/.bashrc when you start it "interactive non-login", like when you open an x-term, so if the environment variable is needed for GUI programs which you will start through your window manager, you should, AFAIK, set the environment variable in ~/.profile. Hope that helps. Cheers, -- Francisco From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 09:47:43 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:47:43 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803201147.43760.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Any hints? :) \d From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Thu Mar 20 09:59:07 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:59:07 +0000 Subject: dvd drive stopped working In-Reply-To: <200803200817.19369.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191632.20852.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <20080319151431.D586612880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> <200803200817.19369.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080320095923.900CD12880B@eng.bcfdesigns.co.uk> At 06:17 20/03/2008, you wrote: > > Thing is with these, they've become so cheap that it's hardly worth > > fooling around with them - if it's stopped working my advice would be > > to just order a new one with SATA if your motherboard supports it, > > and toss the old one in the recycling skip when the new one is > > installed and working. >Aw man ... I may well have to. > >\d This is sort of related to this thread.... What really, REALLY annoys me is that the people who build these devices provide firmware updates for them, but as far as I know, nobody provides update software that runs under Linux. The drives I have at home, made by what appears to be a Toshiba/Samsung joint effort, fall into this category i.e. I installed the auto update software supplied with a DVD drive on my old XP/Linux dual boot machine, and one day when running XP up it popped and offered to flash my DVD drive with the latest firmware, which it did. Does anybody know of any manufacturers who provide firmware update software for Linux? Probably just a silly question to which I can guess the answer, but you don't know for sure until you ask. Dave From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 10:56:52 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:56:52 +0100 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E242F4.6040808@gmail.com> Hello Don > ..... Not a peep in dmesg, nor /var/log/messages and certainly no icon on the desktop....... > As a practical, but modest thank you for all your help in the past few months, I can give you only a reminder that probably covers 1% :-) of your problem. After plugging in your external drive into the USB port, is it being shown in the list of 'storage media' via e.g. Dolphin or Konqueror file management? Do you manage to move or copy files via that way? One comparative experiment may be helpful for you. When I plug in a USB memory stick BEFORE starting the PC, it does not show up immediately on the desktop. But when checking the storage media, I do see the stick and I click on it. After doing so, I immediately manage to copy or move files from or to the stick. Beside from this, the memory stick also immediately pops up on the desktop. Good luck! Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. Skype: BasRoufs Google Talk: BasRoufs Yahoo Messenger: Bas6Human ************************** Rainbow News, views and visions: CircleLetterRainbow.net Paasnacht/ Easter night 2008: hetlevengaatdoor.info From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 11:11:45 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:11:45 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <47E242F4.6040808@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47E242F4.6040808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803201311.45484.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hi Bas, Many thanks for your reply. Sadly it does not help as I don't have problems with USB, it's this fancy new (to me) e-sata connection that is mute under Kubuntu. However, you have given me the idea to turn on the drive and then restart the computer - perhaps it will see it then. The problem with this is I never switch Kubuntu off :) Best, /d From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 11:58:35 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:58:35 +0100 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803201311.45484.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47E242F4.6040808@gmail.com> <200803201311.45484.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E2516B.30407@gmail.com> Hey Don It's simply a a pleasure to mail with you. > However, you have given me the idea to turn on the drive and then restart the computer - perhaps it will see it then. > That is exactly the procedure I had in mind for you. Let me know please, whether it works..... > The problem with this is I never switch Kubuntu off :)..... It's a good spiritual and technical exercise to turn off the PC sometimes....:-) Warm greetings, Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. Skype: BasRoufs Google Talk: BasRoufs Yahoo Messenger: Bas6Human ************************** Rainbow News, views and visions: CircleLetterRainbow.net Paasnacht/ Easter night 2008: hetlevengaatdoor.info From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 12:58:27 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:58:27 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <47E2516B.30407@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803201311.45484.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47E2516B.30407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803201458.28078.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Bas, > It's simply a a pleasure to mail with you. You make it so my friend :) > That is exactly the procedure I had in mind for you. Let me know please, > whether it works..... I certainly shall. > It's a good spiritual and technical exercise to turn off the PC > sometimes....:-) I'd agree if I wasn't so busy all the time! \d From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 20 13:13:02 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:13:02 -0300 Subject: How to set an Enviroment variable? References: <1579109.Ghij4jnPSM@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <2596140.5pZEUTtIqr@cedar.serverforest.com> Francisco Borges wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> Dario Figueira wrote: >> >> > the subject says it all, in Windows i know how, My Computer >> > proprieties -> advanced and it's there >> > and here? :) >> >> export abc=xyz > >> To set a variable for a specific program invocation, you can just use: >> >> # variable=value program >> >> e.g.: >> >> # LANG=fr_CA kate >> >> To set a variable for a user at login, you can use the export command in >> the ~/.bashrc file. > > From the bash manual: > ========= > When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a > non-interactive shell with > the --login option, it first reads and executes commands from the > file /etc/profile, > if that file exists. After reading that file, it looks for > ~/.bash_profile, > ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, > ========= > > So as far as I can tell, bash will only read ~/.bashrc when you start > it "interactive non-login", Possibly. I always find the different bash scripts confusing, but I _think_ that's wrong. aiui, .bashrc is executed for _every_ shell - interactive or not, login or not, whereas .profile only executes for login shells (it doesn't _need_ to be set for non-login shells, as they inherit from a shell that already has the .profile settings). But I could be wrong... In any case, you're right that .profile is where environment variables should really be set - it is, after all, the per-user counterpart to /etc/profile, which is where I said it should be set if you want all users to get it... -- derek From vinc_enzo at hotmail.com Fri Mar 21 08:17:11 2008 From: vinc_enzo at hotmail.com (Enzo C) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:17:11 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu DVD 7.1 for AMD Turion 64 Message-ID: Hi all, I'm new to this mailing list and I'm very interested to install to my PC Kubuntu. I've downloaded from site 7.10 ISO image and I burnt the related DVD. Unfortunately I cannot boot from DVD even if I insert DVD in my PC and the kubuntu browser starts... Has anyone experienced such problems? Any idea on how to solve? Kind Regards V. _________________________________________________________________ Sai che da Messenger puoi controllare la tua posta di Hotmail? http://www.messenger.it/better_together.html#posta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Fri Mar 21 08:43:17 2008 From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:43:17 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu DVD 7.1 for AMD Turion 64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803210943.17576.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Check your bios startup settings... Schould be something like F2 when booting up. Somewhere you can change the boot-order. Select your DVD-station as first and then you HDD. K, Op Friday 21 March 2008 09:17:11 schreef Enzo C: > Hi all, > I'm new to this mailing list and I'm very interested to install to my PC > Kubuntu. I've downloaded from site 7.10 ISO image and I burnt the related > DVD. Unfortunately I cannot boot from DVD even if I insert DVD in my PC and > the kubuntu browser starts... Has anyone experienced such problems? Any > idea on how to solve? > Kind Regards > V. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Sai che da Messenger puoi controllare la tua posta di Hotmail? > http://www.messenger.it/better_together.html#posta From hunkumori at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 09:18:24 2008 From: hunkumori at gmail.com (hunkumori) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:18:24 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu DVD 7.1 for AMD Turion 64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E37D60.6070400@gmail.com> Enzo C wrote: > Hi all, > I'm new to this mailing list and I'm very interested to install to my > PC Kubuntu. > I've downloaded from site 7.10 ISO image and I burnt the related DVD. > Unfortunately I cannot boot from DVD even if I insert DVD in my PC and > the kubuntu browser starts... > Has anyone experienced such problems? Any idea on how to solve? > Kind Regards > V. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Search Maps Cerchi un ristorante nella tua città? Lo trovi con > Live Search Maps Hello As Karl said before me, try the F2, F11(at me , MSI mainboard) for a boot device chooser. There you'll have to choose your dvd rom, and there you go. (By the way, you can change the "boot priority" in the Bios setup (del usually at boot). It's at the Advanced configuration (at me)) Good luck! Shark From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 09:51:18 2008 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:51:18 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu DVD 7.1 for AMD Turion 64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E38516.2060809@gmail.com> Welcome to the Kubuntu community. > Unfortunately I cannot boot from DVD even if I insert DVD in my PC and > the kubuntu browser starts... First step: start your PC, let it run as it runs and put your Kubuntu DVD into the drive. Second step: RESTART the PC. Shortly after setting this restart process into motion, try to get into the BOOTING MENU. In an early stage of the starting up process you will see an instruction which key to press in order to get in this booting menu: often F2, sometimes another F key. Press at this key as quickly as you can, in order to get into this booting menu. In one part of the menu, you can instruct the PC from which disk to boot first. Quite probably your PC now starts booting at a hard disk. But via this menu, you can easily instruct the PC to start booting from the CD/DVD drive. Instruct you PC to do so, than press at an option to SAVE CHANGES AND QUIT OR EXIT: often F10. (But check first which key is the right one for this purpose!) After following the instructions above, your PC will restart again and boot from the Kubuntu DVD. I hope this instruction helps. Bas. -- ************************* Viaconsensus Bas G. Roufs M.A. Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht E.: BasRoufs at gmail.com M.: +31.6.446.835.10. T.: +31.30.785.20.40. Skype: BasRoufs Google Talk: BasRoufs Yahoo Messenger: Bas6Human ************************** Rainbow News, views and visions: CircleLetterRainbow.net Paasnacht/ Easter night 2008: hetlevengaatdoor.info From francisco.borges at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 09:56:37 2008 From: francisco.borges at gmail.com (Francisco Borges) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:56:37 +0100 Subject: How to set an Enviroment variable? In-Reply-To: <2596140.5pZEUTtIqr@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1579109.Ghij4jnPSM@cedar.serverforest.com> <2596140.5pZEUTtIqr@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Francisco Borges wrote: > > From the bash manual: > > ========= > > When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a > > non-interactive shell with > > the --login option, it first reads and executes commands from the > > file /etc/profile, > > if that file exists. After reading that file, it looks for > > ~/.bash_profile, > > ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, > > ========= > > > > So as far as I can tell, bash will only read ~/.bashrc when you start > > it "interactive non-login", > > Possibly. I always find the different bash scripts confusing, but I _think_ > that's wrong. aiui, .bashrc is executed for _every_ shell - interactive or > not, login or not, whereas .profile only executes for login shells (it > doesn't _need_ to be set for non-login shells, as they inherit from a shell > that already has the .profile settings). But I could be wrong... I am an avid shell user but actually not a bash user ;-) so it took me a while to remember this. Debian has for a long time set the default ~/.profile to source ~/.bashrc (if the user is running bash). So in practice, if you don't change that, any time you run bash on a Debian system you will also source ~/.bashrc. The default ~/.profile for new accounts is at /etc/skel/.profile (in the case you have, like me, deleted yours). Kind regards, -- Francisco From vinc_enzo at hotmail.com Fri Mar 21 14:03:18 2008 From: vinc_enzo at hotmail.com (Enzo C) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:03:18 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu DVD 7.1 for AMD Turion 64 In-Reply-To: <47E38516.2060809@gmail.com> References: <47E38516.2060809@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks all for the answers but the boot menu was the first check I've made and unfortunately the DVD was in first order. Regards V. > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:51:18 +0100> From: basroufs at gmail.com> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: Kubuntu DVD 7.1 for AMD Turion 64> > Welcome to the Kubuntu community.> > > Unfortunately I cannot boot from DVD even if I insert DVD in my PC and > > the kubuntu browser starts...> > First step: start your PC, let it run as it runs and put your Kubuntu > DVD into the drive.> Second step: RESTART the PC. Shortly after setting this restart process > into motion, try to get into the BOOTING MENU. In an early stage of the > starting up process you will see an instruction which key to press in > order to get in this booting menu: often F2, sometimes another F key. > Press at this key as quickly as you can, in order to get into this > booting menu. In one part of the menu, you can instruct the PC from > which disk to boot first. Quite probably your PC now starts booting at a > hard disk. But via this menu, you can easily instruct the PC to start > booting from the CD/DVD drive. Instruct you PC to do so, than press at > an option to SAVE CHANGES AND QUIT OR EXIT: often F10. (But check first > which key is the right one for this purpose!)> > After following the instructions above, your PC will restart again and > boot from the Kubuntu DVD.> > I hope this instruction helps.> > Bas.> > -- > *************************> Viaconsensus> Bas G. 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URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Mar 21 16:00:51 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:00:51 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu DVD 7.1 for AMD Turion 64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E3DBB3.20004@swbell.net> Enzo C wrote: > Hi all, > I'm new to this mailing list and I'm very interested to install to my PC > Kubuntu. > I've downloaded from site 7.10 ISO image and I burnt the related DVD. > Unfortunately I cannot boot from DVD even if I insert DVD in my PC and > the kubuntu browser starts... > Has anyone experienced such problems? Any idea on how to solve? > Kind Regards > V. I'm sure this is a stupid question, but it happens. Did you just burn the ISO onto a DVD or did you burn the "image"? Look at the DVD from Windows or whatever and see if the ISO file is burned or a list of files and folders. If it's the ISO file the disk won't boot. Just about every CD/DVD burner has the option to burn the ISO file as the disk image. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From pandarsson at yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 16:28:52 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:28:52 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu DVD 7.1 for AMD Turion 64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803211128.52871.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Friday 21 March 2008 3:17:11 Enzo C wrote: > Hi all, > I'm new to this mailing list and I'm very interested to install to my PC > Kubuntu. I've downloaded from site 7.10 ISO image and I burnt the related > DVD. Unfortunately I cannot boot from DVD even if I insert DVD in my PC and > the kubuntu browser starts... Has anyone experienced such problems? Any > idea on how to solve? > Kind Regards > V. Hi. If you don't mind clarifying something for me, what do you mean "the Kubuntu browser starts"? What happens when that happens? From k7qo at commspeed.net Fri Mar 21 16:51:22 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (Chuck Adams) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:51:22 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu DVD 7.1 for AMD Turion 64 In-Reply-To: <200803211128.52871.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200803211128.52871.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803210951.22666.k7qo@commspeed.net> On Friday 21 March 2008 09:28:52 Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > On Friday 21 March 2008 3:17:11 Enzo C wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm new to this mailing list and I'm very interested to install to my PC > > Kubuntu. I've downloaded from site 7.10 ISO image and I burnt the related > > DVD. Unfortunately I cannot boot from DVD even if I insert DVD in my PC > > and the kubuntu browser starts... Has anyone experienced such problems? > > Any idea on how to solve? > > Kind Regards > > V. Double check the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto and spend time understanding how the process of conversion from an ISO format on a disc file to burning a bootable image on a CD or DVD works. This should get you started. FYI Chuck From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Mar 21 14:48:22 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:48:22 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu DVD 7.1 for AMD Turion 64 In-Reply-To: References: <47E38516.2060809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803211048.22489.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 21 March 2008, Enzo C wrote: > Thanks all for the answers but the boot menu was the first check I've made > and unfortunately the DVD was in first order. My current computer refused to boot any flavor of Linux from the internal drive. It wasn't the drive, because another computer had no trouble with Linux discs using the same drive. It seemed to be something bizarre with the BIOS refusing to see Linux discs as bootable. After a lot of futile poking around with different fruitless ideas, I finally solved it with an external USB DVD drive. I have no idea why this works and no drive connected internally would, but work it does. -- D. Michael McIntyre From valtermura at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 18:58:43 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:58:43 +0100 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: <47E0B7A4.9090406@gmail.com> References: <47E0B7A4.9090406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803211958.43518.valtermura@gmail.com> Il mercoledì 19 marzo 2008 07:50:12 O. Sinclair ha scritto: > > As far as I know Shockwave is simply not supported under Linux. There > are apparently ways to make it run using Wine but if you check Adobe's > website there is no mention of Linux: > http://www.adobe.com/products/shockwaveplayer/productinfo/systemreqs/ > or for that matter Firefox/Mozilla > > hopefully someone else can correct me... > > Sinclair I've already written to Adobe Support, complaining the matter. They *simply* didn't reply me. Please, all of you should write to Adobe for the same reason. The more we are the better... Regards, -- Valter Gnupgp ID: 0xD7274715 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Fri Mar 21 19:19:23 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:19:23 +0000 Subject: xsane in Hardy Beta Message-ID: <200803211919.23122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> I've just installed Hardy Beta i386 for a friend. Using xsane with an old HP scanjet I picked up from a Free Cycler a few months ago, it fires up the scanner OK but seems to have problems with the preview, such as the dragging of the edges of the scanning area box. I've searched launchpad for xsane bugs but this isn't reported. Can anybody confirm please? Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 21:13:21 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Adobe stuff for Linux In-Reply-To: <200803211958.43518.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <966661.35991.qm@web58008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > As far as I know Shockwave is simply not supported under Linux. > There are apparently ways to make it run using Wine but if you check Adobe's website there is no mention of Linux: > > I've already written to Adobe Support, complaining the matter. They *simply* didn't reply me. > Please, all of you should write to Adobe for the same reason. The more we are the better... Adobe is much like Apple and Microsoft in that they have no desire to support the open source movement in any way. It directly impacts their business model and they would be very happy if we all disappeared. It wouldn't surprise me if they got tired of getting 'nix inquiries and just filtered all mail with linux in it to the bit bucket. Just my double-farthing's worth. Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 21:56:50 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:56:50 +0000 Subject: Can't login & hal broken Message-ID: <032120082156.4558.47E42F22000D561A000011CE2207021053CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 on a Thinkpad T43 and until now haven't had any significant problems. I tried to install likewise-open and noticed that as soon as I attempted to start it, kpowermanager lost track of my system battery (which I ignored at the time). I then discovered that my system wouldn't auto-detect a USB memory stick. When I attempted to manually mount the stick, I found that the system would no longer recognize my user password. I subsequently discovered that another user's password was also not recognized. I tried logging on in recovery mode to reset the user passwords, but this didn't allow me to log in. I also tried removing the likewise-open package, but again, no change. I decided to see what system services were running using the module in "System Settings", but got a message that the module couldn't be loaded and was told that either I have an orphaned module or an old 3rd party module lying around...not helpful. Any explanations? Can someone get me pointed in the right direction to fix? I really want to avoid reinstalling the system. Thanks, Paul From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 00:10:52 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:10:52 -0700 Subject: Can't login & hal broken In-Reply-To: <032120082156.4558.47E42F22000D561A000011CE2207021053CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> References: <032120082156.4558.47E42F22000D561A000011CE2207021053CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM, wrote: > I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 on a Thinkpad T43 and until now haven't had any significant problems. > > I tried to install likewise-open and noticed that as soon as I attempted to start it, kpowermanager lost track of my system battery (which I ignored at the time). I then discovered that my system wouldn't auto-detect a USB memory stick. When I attempted to manually mount the stick, I found that the system would no longer recognize my user password. I subsequently discovered that another user's password was also not recognized. > > I tried logging on in recovery mode to reset the user passwords, but this didn't allow me to log in. > > I also tried removing the likewise-open package, but again, no change. > > I decided to see what system services were running using the module in "System Settings", but got a message that the module couldn't be loaded and was told that either I have an orphaned module or an old 3rd party module lying around...not helpful. > > Any explanations? Can someone get me pointed in the right direction to fix? I really want to avoid reinstalling the system. Having just quickly scanned the Likewise-open project's web page, I'd hazard a guess that likewise is trying to authenticate you against a Microsoft Active Directory domain. I think it safe to assume that you haven't properly configured likewise yet, so I'd suggest booting from a live cd and then mangling the likewise configuration files, which should be in /etc. HTH. -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://lordsauron.wordpress.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 07:52:25 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:52:25 +0200 Subject: xsane in Hardy Beta In-Reply-To: <200803211919.23122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200803211919.23122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200803220952.25646.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Using xsane with an old HP scanjet It might be a daft question, but why are you not using Kooka? (It comes with Kubuntu AFAIK, and works quite well) \d From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 22 10:25:08 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:25:08 -0400 Subject: Can't login & hal broken In-Reply-To: References: <032120082156.4558.47E42F22000D561A000011CE2207021053CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200803220625.10453.pkaplan1@comcast.net> On Friday 21 March 2008 8:10:52 pm Chris Miller wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM, wrote: > > I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 on a Thinkpad T43 and until now haven't had any > > significant problems. > > > > I tried to install likewise-open and noticed that as soon as I attempted > > to start it, kpowermanager lost track of my system battery (which I > > ignored at the time). I then discovered that my system wouldn't > > auto-detect a USB memory stick. When I attempted to manually mount the > > stick, I found that the system would no longer recognize my user > > password. I subsequently discovered that another user's password was > > also not recognized. > > > > I tried logging on in recovery mode to reset the user passwords, but > > this didn't allow me to log in. > > > > I also tried removing the likewise-open package, but again, no change. > > > > I decided to see what system services were running using the module in > > "System Settings", but got a message that the module couldn't be loaded > > and was told that either I have an orphaned module or an old 3rd party > > module lying around...not helpful. > > > > Any explanations? Can someone get me pointed in the right direction to > > fix? I really want to avoid reinstalling the system. > > Having just quickly scanned the Likewise-open project's web page, I'd > hazard a guess that likewise is trying to authenticate you against a > Microsoft Active Directory domain. I think it safe to assume that you > haven't properly configured likewise yet, so I'd suggest booting from > a live cd and then mangling the likewise configuration files, which > should be in /etc. > Thanks for the idea. I did find a bunch of likewise scripts in /etc/rc*, which I deleted, as I did for several other files I found, but this didn't solve the problem. I'm still not able to login as a normal user even after resetting the user password yet again. The other problems are also still there. Any other ideas? From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sat Mar 22 10:54:49 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:54:49 +0000 Subject: xsane in Hardy Beta In-Reply-To: <200803220952.25646.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803211919.23122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200803220952.25646.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803221054.49232.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Saturday 22 Mar 2008, Donn wrote: > > Using xsane with an old HP scanjet > It might be a daft question, but why are you not using Kooka? (It comes with > Kubuntu AFAIK, and works quite well) > > \d > Never knew it was there :-) Anyway, I just tried it on my system (running Gutsy) and I just don't like it. xsane is way, way superior IMHO. Kooka is probably OK for scanning in paper documents, but for doing stuff like I do, such as scanning transparency film, it's no use at all. I don't see the pre-post histogram settings that xsane has, for instance. So, I'll have to see about getting xsane fixed, if it's been broken. Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org Sat Mar 22 11:27:29 2008 From: jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:27:29 +0100 Subject: swsuspend irq problem? Message-ID: Hi, if I tell kubuntu to suspend, it'll come back back after ~30 seconds. Here is the relevant part of dmesg, it seems that the disk sda is comming back after an interrupt, any ideas? Jan [73091.768000] swsusp: critical section: [73091.768000] swsusp: Need to copy 116831 pages [73091.768000] swsusp: Normal pages needed: 113036 + 1024 + 24, available pages: 116333 [73091.768000] swsusp: critical section: done (116831 pages copied) [73091.768000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:01.0 to 64 [73091.768000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.0 to 64 [73091.768000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 [73091.768000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.0 to 64 [73091.768000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.1[B] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 [73091.768000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.1 to 64 [73091.768000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.2[C] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 [73091.768000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.2 to 64 [73091.768000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.3[D] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 [73091.768000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.3 to 64 [73091.784000] PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:1d.7 (0000 -> 0002) [73091.784000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.7[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 [73091.784000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.7 to 64 [73091.784000] PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:00:1d.7 at offset f (was 100, writing 10b) [73091.784000] PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:00:1d.7 at offset 4 (was 0, writing ffa80800) [73091.784000] PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:00:1d.7 at offset 1 (was 2900006, writing 2900106) [73091.784000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1e.0 to 64 [73091.784000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1e.2[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 [73091.784000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1e.2 to 64 [73092.796000] PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:00:1f.2 at offset 1 (was 2b80001, writing 2b80005) [73092.796000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.2[B] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 [73092.796000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.2 to 64 [73092.824000] pnp: Device 00:0b activated. [73092.976000] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 [73092.976000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 195371568 512-byte hardware sectors (100030 MB) [73092.976000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off [73092.976000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 [73092.976000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA [73093.068000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Starting disk [73093.088000] PM: writing image. [73093.088000] swsusp: free swap pages: 208437 [73093.136000] Saving image data pages (116946 pages) ... 0%<6>ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33 [73093.3400done [73109.952000] Wrote 467784 kbytes in 16.81 seconds (27.82 MB/s) [73109.952000] S<3>swsusp: Swap header not found! [73110.112000] | [73110.196000] Restarting tasks ... done. [73110.196000] swsusp: Basic memory bitmaps freed From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 22 11:38:58 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:38:58 -0300 Subject: swsuspend irq problem? References: Message-ID: <3480930.j2EzVdTL9G@cedar.serverforest.com> Jan Torben Heuer wrote: > if I tell kubuntu to suspend, it'll come back back after ~30 seconds. Here > is the relevant part of dmesg, it seems that the disk sda is comming back > after an interrupt, any ideas? I don't see what makes you say that: > [73091.768000] swsusp: critical section: > [73091.768000] swsusp: Need to copy 116831 pages > [73091.768000] swsusp: Normal pages needed: 113036 + 1024 + 24, available > pages: 116333 That looks like the problem to me - it _says_ you have fewer pages than you need (though I have to admit the addition is pretty pathetic!) ... > [73091.784000] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.7 to 64 > [73091.784000] PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:00:1d.7 at > offset f (was 100, writing 10b) Even though it said "done", above, it clearly is still working at it... > [73093.068000] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Starting disk > [73093.088000] PM: writing image. Still _writing_ ... > [73093.088000] swsusp: free swap pages: 208437 > [73093.136000] Saving image data pages (116946 pages) ... 0%<6>ata2.00: > configured for UDMA/33 > [73093.3400done > [73109.952000] Wrote 467784 kbytes in 16.81 seconds (27.82 MB/s) > [73109.952000] S<3>swsusp: Swap header not found! My best bet (and I don't use swsusp, so take with a grain of salt) is that it is trying to write to a dedicated partition, not your normal swap, and you haven't actually configured that partition as swap. -- derek From ed.lau at mail.ee Sat Mar 22 14:58:09 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (=?UTF-8?B?RWRtdW5kIMS5YXVnYXNzb24=?=) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:58:09 +0200 Subject: xsane in Hardy Beta In-Reply-To: <200803221054.49232.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200803211919.23122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200803220952.25646.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803221054.49232.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <47E51E81.9090908@mail.ee> > Anyway, I just tried it on my system (running Gutsy) and I just don't like it. > xsane is way, way superior IMHO. Kooka is probably OK for scanning in paper > documents, but for doing stuff like I do, such as scanning transparency film, > it's no use at all. I don't see the pre-post histogram settings that xsane > has, for instance. > > So, I'll have to see about getting xsane fixed, if it's been broken. I have HP ScanJet 6350C and same problem already in Gutsy :( Also Kooka does nothing... From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sat Mar 22 15:13:43 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:13:43 +0000 Subject: xsane in Hardy Beta In-Reply-To: <47E51E81.9090908@mail.ee> References: <200803211919.23122.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200803221054.49232.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <47E51E81.9090908@mail.ee> Message-ID: <200803221513.43422.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Saturday 22 Mar 2008, Edmund Ĺaugasson wrote: > > Anyway, I just tried it on my system (running Gutsy) and I just don't like it. > > xsane is way, way superior IMHO. Kooka is probably OK for scanning in paper > > documents, but for doing stuff like I do, such as scanning transparency film, > > it's no use at all. I don't see the pre-post histogram settings that xsane > > has, for instance. > > > > So, I'll have to see about getting xsane fixed, if it's been broken. > > I have HP ScanJet 6350C and same problem already in Gutsy :( Also Kooka does nothing... > I've reported it:- https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/205139 Perhaps if you could please add a "Me too" to the bug for confirmation it would help. Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 19:19:04 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:19:04 +0200 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? Message-ID: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Is it possible to make an MP3 recording of that? I'm thinking along the lines of a command to run in Konsole that would take a PDF file as an argument and output a MP3, but I don't know where to start. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 22 22:04:28 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:04:28 -0500 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803221804.29184.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 22 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Is it possible to make > an MP3 recording of that? I'm thinking along the lines of a command to > run in Konsole that would take a PDF file as an argument and output a > MP3, but I don't know where to start. You sure come up with unusual questions, Dotan. PDF to MP3. I'm shaking my head in bemused disbelief. I don't see how to turn on this text to speech gadget in KPDF, so I'm not sure where to start playing. I'd be shocked if there were an existing solution out there already, but it's probably possible to string some things together. Stay tuned. I have PDF to text to speech automated, and I'm working on a hands off recorder. This could actually work. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 22 22:35:52 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:35:52 -0500 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <200803221804.29184.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> <200803221804.29184.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200803221835.52716.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 22 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > Stay tuned. I have PDF to text to speech automated, and I'm working on a > hands off recorder. This could actually work. Here. You'll probably have to finish it yourself for it to work on your own computer. I have two soundcards, one uses JACK, the other doesn't. They're chained together through SPDIF. Festival plays on one card, but I can't record from that card with arecord when Festival is playing, so the only way I can record (apparently) is to use a JACK recorder. The problem is that I can't figure out any way to get Ecasound to record from CAPTURE_11 and CAPTURE_12 instead of CAPTURE_1 and CAPTURE_2, so all I ever get is an empty .wav file. It's highly doubtful you have such a complicated audio setup, and it's pointless to try to get Ecasound to record the correct inputs for my purposes, because this is more likely to work on your computer, but not mine, like it is now. I have no idea about the arecord option, if you aren't running JACK, which is probably likely for a regular garden variety (ie. not Linux audio, because this isn't the Ubuntu Studio list) user. I could try to turn off all my fancy stuff, or go test this on my wife's less complicated computer, but I think this little project has just about exhausted its neato keen what if value, and I leave it up to you or somebody else to sort this the rest of the way. At least now you know where to start. You can Dotanate those pesky PDFs! -- D. Michael McIntyre -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dotanate Type: application/x-shellscript Size: 1967 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 23:01:31 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:01:31 +0100 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/22, Dotan Cohen : > In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Is it possible to make > an MP3 recording of that? I'm thinking along the lines of a command to > run in Konsole that would take a PDF file as an argument and output a > MP3, but I don't know where to start. > > Dotan Cohen > I don't know a way to do it from pdf to sound but you could pipe through pdftotext and use text2wave from Festival to record it with lame like this: pdftotext somefile.pdf - | text2wave | lame - somefile.mp3 Looks like it works ok. / Jonas From nbensa at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 23:01:30 2008 From: nbensa at gmail.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:01:30 -0300 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803222001.30975.nbensa@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Hm? Really? How? I have a friend who'd love this feature! Thanks! Norberto From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 23:45:48 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:45:48 +0200 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803221645t6978c3cawaca28837b7ec098@mail.gmail.com> On 23/03/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/3/22, Dotan Cohen : > > > In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Is it possible to make > > an MP3 recording of that? I'm thinking along the lines of a command to > > run in Konsole that would take a PDF file as an argument and output a > > MP3, but I don't know where to start. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > > > > I don't know a way to do it from pdf to sound but you could pipe through > pdftotext and use text2wave from Festival to record it with lame like this: > pdftotext somefile.pdf - | text2wave | lame - somefile.mp3 > Looks like it works ok. > Thank you. The text2wave and lame functions were what I was missing. I was trying to use festival, but the only relevant part of it's manpage was this sentance: "BUGS More than you can imagine." Thank you very much. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 23:48:43 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:48:43 +0200 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <200803221804.29184.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> <200803221804.29184.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803221648r289c085ft83519e9f84d839f0@mail.gmail.com> On 23/03/2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 22 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Is it possible to make > > an MP3 recording of that? I'm thinking along the lines of a command to > > run in Konsole that would take a PDF file as an argument and output a > > MP3, but I don't know where to start. > > > You sure come up with unusual questions, Dotan. PDF to MP3. I'm shaking my > head in bemused disbelief. I do an hour's walking each day to/from the university. There is only so much Pantera and Sepultura one can take! > I don't see how to turn on this text to speech gadget in KPDF, so I'm not sure > where to start playing. I'd be shocked if there were an existing solution > out there already, but it's probably possible to string some things together. > > Stay tuned. I have PDF to text to speech automated, and I'm working on a > hands off recorder. This could actually work. Not a bad idea, for those times when one has his ears free, but cannot hold a book. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From ed.lau at mail.ee Sun Mar 23 00:10:10 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (=?UTF-8?B?RWRtdW5kIMS5YXVnYXNzb24=?=) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:10:10 +0200 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E59FE2.8000909@mail.ee> > In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Is it possible to make > an MP3 recording of that? I'm thinking along the lines of a command to > run in Konsole that would take a PDF file as an argument and output a > MP3, but I don't know where to start. There is an iPaper environment, which is also capable for that - http://www.scribd.com/ Not tested myself but I noticed, that some documents in english have also MP3 download link. From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Mar 23 00:28:15 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:28:15 -0400 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <880dece00803221648r289c085ft83519e9f84d839f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> <200803221804.29184.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00803221648r289c085ft83519e9f84d839f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E5A41F.9010906@mike-leone.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 23/03/2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> On Saturday 22 March 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> > In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Is it possible to make >> > an MP3 recording of that? I'm thinking along the lines of a command to >> > run in Konsole that would take a PDF file as an argument and output a >> > MP3, but I don't know where to start. >> >> >> You sure come up with unusual questions, Dotan. PDF to MP3. I'm shaking my >> head in bemused disbelief. > > I do an hour's walking each day to/from the university. There is only > so much Pantera and Sepultura one can take! That's what podcasts are for ... I walk an hour or more every night as exercise. My local morning radio show, photography podcasts, the various "This Week In Tech" podcasts by Leo Laporte, John C. Dvorak, etc ... plenty of ways to fill up the walk, and you sometimes learn things in the process ... :-) From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sun Mar 23 04:12:44 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:12:44 +0000 Subject: KMFormat and iPod Mini Message-ID: <20080323041244.622cea67@graham-desktop> I had some files on my iPod which I just could not get rid of so I tried the Format option on the iPod icon so I could remove them. When I try to mount the iPod I get this message: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc3, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so" I tried dmesg|tail and it showed: "[ 1783.623847] ppdev0: registered pardevice [ 1783.674235] ppdev0: unregistered pardevice [ 1785.062706] pspi.exe.so[11942]: segfault at 00000006 eip 00000006 esp bfa3cb24 error 4 [ 1825.580019] pspi.exe.so[12191]: segfault at 00000006 eip 00000006 esp bfec41b4 error 4 [ 2781.576699] hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock [ 2864.834476] hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock [ 2962.380618] hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock [ 3135.223901] hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock [ 3243.358343] hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock [ 3275.629417] hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock" How do I get my iPod to work and mount so I can record music again? -- Graham Todd From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 23 02:52:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:52:22 -0300 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00803221645t6978c3cawaca28837b7ec098@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11296243.XIegZVp419@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 23/03/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: >> 2008/3/22, Dotan Cohen : >> >> > In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Is it possible to make >> > an MP3 recording of that? I'm thinking along the lines of a command >> > to run in Konsole that would take a PDF file as an argument and >> > output a MP3, but I don't know where to start. >> >> >> I don't know a way to do it from pdf to sound but you could pipe through >> pdftotext and use text2wave from Festival to record it with lame like >> this: pdftotext somefile.pdf - | text2wave | lame - somefile.mp3 >> Looks like it works ok. >> > > Thank you. The text2wave and lame functions were what I was missing. I > was trying to use festival, but the only relevant part of it's manpage > was this sentance: > "BUGS > More than you can imagine." LOL. I remember that from my experimentation with festival. Sometimes too much honesty is a bad thing :-) It's amazing how simple it turned out to be, though. This is a hugely complex task, and it can be done in one short line of script! -- derek From gert.gast at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 05:48:00 2008 From: gert.gast at gmail.com (Gert Gast) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:48:00 +1100 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <11296243.XIegZVp419@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00803221645t6978c3cawaca28837b7ec098@mail.gmail.com> <11296243.XIegZVp419@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <79cc94fa0803222248s1569b1d8u13e0a819cd54f9c1@mail.gmail.com> Hmm ...guys I followed your instructions and my audio was totally scrambled .. pdftotext narcissus.pdf - | text2wave | lame - narcissus.mp3 Assuming raw pcm input file LAME version 3.96.1 (http://lame.sourceforge.net/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), 3DNow! (ASM used), SSE, SSE2 Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 17249 Hz - 17782 Hz Encoding to narcissus.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz 128 kbps j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (11x) qval=3 Cannot load wavefile: /tmp/est_25056_00001 Any ideas? Cheers, Gert P.S. it sounds like a great feature ... On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > On 23/03/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> 2008/3/22, Dotan Cohen : > >> > >> > In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Is it possible to make > >> > an MP3 recording of that? I'm thinking along the lines of a command > >> > to run in Konsole that would take a PDF file as an argument and > >> > output a MP3, but I don't know where to start. > >> > >> > >> I don't know a way to do it from pdf to sound but you could pipe > through > >> pdftotext and use text2wave from Festival to record it with lame like > >> this: pdftotext somefile.pdf - | text2wave | lame - somefile.mp3 > >> Looks like it works ok. > >> > > > > > -- Dr Gert Gast Senior Lecturer, SAE Institute Byron Bay SAE Institute World Headquarters 373-391 Ewingsdale Road Byron Bay NSW 2481 Australia +61 (0)2 6639 6000 | Phone +61 (0)2 6685 6133 | Fax www.sae.edu | Web ggast at sae.edu | Mail AIM: cjervil | Chat National Provider Code: 0273 CRICOS Provider Code: NSW 00312F CONFIDENTIALITY CAUTION : This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. 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That would have made the job easier. You ignored this the first time, but since I've gone this far with the stupid thing, here's the updated version: [attached] Though it looks like you might get more traction overall out of some of the Perl stuff on here, with fancy bits about handling line wraps and other such: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-195579-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-0.html?sid=2ded81944006185cfeada177a35a7a7a But anyway, good luck on your quest. Personally, I really prefer to hear the sound of the world when I'm walking. -- D. Michael McIntyre -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dotanate Type: application/x-shellscript Size: 1497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 09:56:46 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:56:46 +0200 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <47E5A41F.9010906@mike-leone.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> <200803221804.29184.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <880dece00803221648r289c085ft83519e9f84d839f0@mail.gmail.com> <47E5A41F.9010906@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803230256o693037bbjf8b8fff05e962a87@mail.gmail.com> On 23/03/2008, Michael Leone wrote: > > I do an hour's walking each day to/from the university. There is only > > so much Pantera and Sepultura one can take! > > That's what podcasts are for ... I walk an hour or more every night as > exercise. My local morning radio show, photography podcasts, the various > "This Week In Tech" podcasts by Leo Laporte, John C. Dvorak, etc ... > plenty of ways to fill up the walk, and you sometimes learn things in > the process ... :-) > If only my calculus were available in podcast... I managed to get pdfs, so this is the next step. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 10:35:37 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:35:37 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803201147.43760.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803201147.43760.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803231235.37421.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 20 March 2008 11:47:43 Donn wrote: > Any hints? :) Aw c'mon guys! Surely someone on the list has e-sata working on Kubuntu? \d From slewin at bmts.com Sun Mar 23 11:56:54 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:56:54 -0400 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803231235.37421.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803201147.43760.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231235.37421.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E64586.2090204@bmts.com> Donn wrote: > On Thursday, 20 March 2008 11:47:43 Donn wrote: >> Any hints? :) > Aw c'mon guys! Surely someone on the list has e-sata working on Kubuntu? I'm sorry, but I have not even herd of e-sata. I would suggest either trying again in a day or two or, possibly, try the Ubuntu list; or other list for that matter. I hope this helps. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 7.10 From slewin at bmts.com Sun Mar 23 12:30:15 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:30:15 -0400 Subject: DV Camcorder How-To Message-ID: <47E64D57.4030800@bmts.com> Hi, I got a DV Camcorder and a fire wire card for my computer, but have not yet taken the video off the camera and put it on the computer. What I would really like to do is eventually create DVDs from the video. I have played around with some of the software, but would really just like to read a how-to somewhere. So, does anybody know any good online tutorials or how-to's anywhere I can read. Preferably ones for Kubuntu, but any would be god. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 7.10 From kfulks at knology.net Sun Mar 23 12:35:11 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:35:11 -0500 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <11296243.XIegZVp419@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00803221645t6978c3cawaca28837b7ec098@mail.gmail.com> <11296243.XIegZVp419@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47E64E7F.9030004@knology.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> On 23/03/2008, Jonas Norlander wrote: >>> 2008/3/22, Dotan Cohen : >>> >>>> In KPDF one can have the text spoken out loud. Is it possible to make >>> > an MP3 recording of that? I'm thinking along the lines of a command >>> > to run in Konsole that would take a PDF file as an argument and >>> > output a MP3, but I don't know where to start. >>> >>> >>> I don't know a way to do it from pdf to sound but you could pipe through >>> pdftotext and use text2wave from Festival to record it with lame like >>> this: pdftotext somefile.pdf - | text2wave | lame - somefile.mp3 >>> Looks like it works ok. >>> >> Thank you. The text2wave and lame functions were what I was missing. I >> was trying to use festival, but the only relevant part of it's manpage >> was this sentance: >> "BUGS >> More than you can imagine." > > LOL. I remember that from my experimentation with festival. Sometimes too > much honesty is a bad thing :-) > > It's amazing how simple it turned out to be, though. This is a hugely > complex task, and it can be done in one short line of script! Ah, the simplicity of Unix and Unix-like operating systems. Give me a program that does one thing and does it well. As long as it uses stdin and stdout it can be chained together with other programs that do one thing, and together they can do many things. If you want to see this in pure elegance (IMHO), look at the Mh and XMh email systems (from days of old). -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 13:01:38 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:01:38 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <47E64586.2090204@bmts.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231235.37421.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47E64586.2090204@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200803231501.38325.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I'm sorry, but I have not even herd of e-sata. Thanks anyway. e-sata is 'external sata'. The drive is a sata drive (very different connection to an IDE) and it's in a case. It has USB and another connector for plugging into the PC. USB works fine, but I wanted to try the other connector -- that is the e-sata side of things. Apparently one can get awesome tranfer speeds that way. I am fairly sure I enabled the sata stuff in the BIOS, but I could be wrong. It's just interesting that I can find no mention of it in the messages or logs and plugging-in via that connection has no effect at all -- so I was generally wondering if sata/e-sata was supported on Gnu/Linux at all? \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 13:03:23 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:03:23 +0200 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <11296243.XIegZVp419@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00803221645t6978c3cawaca28837b7ec098@mail.gmail.com> <11296243.XIegZVp419@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803231503.23327.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday, 23 March 2008 04:52:22 Derek Broughton wrote: > It's amazing how simple it turned out to be, though.  This is a hugely > complex task, and it can be done in one short line of script! Yeah, I bet we could get the file to be read aloud in binary too! "One, zero, zero, zero, one..." :D Awesome solution btw. \d -- Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 13:04:33 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:04:33 +0200 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <200803231503.23327.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00803221645t6978c3cawaca28837b7ec098@mail.gmail.com> <11296243.XIegZVp419@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803231503.23327.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00803230604ra37f330r224045fe1a885a54@mail.gmail.com> On 23/03/2008, Donn wrote: > On Sunday, 23 March 2008 04:52:22 Derek Broughton wrote: > > It's amazing how simple it turned out to be, though. This is a hugely > > complex task, and it can be done in one short line of script! > > Yeah, I bet we could get the file to be read aloud in binary too! "One, zero, > zero, zero, one..." :D Do you mean Navajo encryption? http://xkcd.com/257/ Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 13:28:54 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:28:54 +0200 Subject: Exporting PDF as MP3? In-Reply-To: <880dece00803230604ra37f330r224045fe1a885a54@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00803221219r3fa747e2n982f9fda4c192d24@mail.gmail.com> <200803231503.23327.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00803230604ra37f330r224045fe1a885a54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803231528.54550.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday, 23 March 2008 15:04:33 Dotan Cohen wrote: > Do you mean Navajo encryption? Whoa, hey, keep your post down! :) \d From srf10130 at vtc.vsc.edu Sun Mar 23 16:03:19 2008 From: srf10130 at vtc.vsc.edu (Sam Fielder) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:03:19 -0400 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803231501.38325.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231235.37421.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47E64586.2090204@bmts.com> <200803231501.38325.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E67F47.4080809@vtc.vsc.edu> Donn wrote: >> I'm sorry, but I have not even herd of e-sata. > Thanks anyway. > > e-sata is 'external sata'. The drive is a sata drive (very different > connection to an IDE) and it's in a case. It has USB and another connector > for plugging into the PC. USB works fine, but I wanted to try the other > connector -- that is the e-sata side of things. Apparently one can get > awesome tranfer speeds that way. > > I am fairly sure I enabled the sata stuff in the BIOS, but I could be wrong. > It's just interesting that I can find no mention of it in the messages or > logs and plugging-in via that connection has no effect at all -- so I was > generally wondering if sata/e-sata was supported on Gnu/Linux at all? > > \d > I have a WD usb/esata hooked up via esata to my edubuntu box no problem. I am having trouble figuring out what you are having difficulty with. the drive works on usb. But nothing on the esata? what is your desired result? auto mount on boot? are you on a desktop or laptop? is your esata controller on a pci with external/internal (aftermarket), or is it onboard (oem built-in)? Sam From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 16:16:32 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:16:32 +0100 Subject: Watching video from dvd files doesn't work Message-ID: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Hi there, Does anybody know whow to watch a video in the filesystem in dvd structure (/ VIDEO.TS) ? It seems that a video with dvd structure can be played only if it can be found at /dev/dvd (or so), but not if it's in the file system. I think, that this wouldn't be hard to do, but somehow xine, kmplayer, et al, cannot open files like VIDEO_TS.IFO. While I'm able to play the .vob files, I'm not able to get the dvd menu. Does anybody know how to solve this? -- Greets, Ulrich. ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø WU WEI The Sage is occupied with the unspoken, and acts without effort. Teaching without verbosity, producing without possessing, creating without regard to result, claiming nothing, the Sage has nothing to lose. [Tao Te Ching, by Priya Hemenway] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø OS: Kubuntu 7.10 (Linux) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 16:29:06 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:29:06 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <47E67F47.4080809@vtc.vsc.edu> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231501.38325.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47E67F47.4080809@vtc.vsc.edu> Message-ID: <200803231829.06224.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > the drive works on usb. But nothing on the esata? No effect when esata cable plugged in. > what is your desired result? auto mount on boot? Just the same as USB; plug in - icon appears, d-click mounts the drive. Automount on boot would be cool too, when the drive is on. > are you on a desktop or laptop? Desktop. > is your esata controller on a pci with external/internal (aftermarket), > or is it onboard (oem built-in)? My m/b has sata connectors. With the drive came a widget that I plugged into one of those. It mounts on the back-plate of the PC so that an e-sata connector faces outwards. (No PCI slot internally - i.e. it's not plugged-into the m/b other than the internal cable to the sata port on the m/b) -- I plug the external e-sata cable into that and the other end into the case holding the drive. In ascii: sata (m/b) <--cable-->Metal L shape with connector<--external cable-->drive case It's good news that you have it working. Perhaps its a boot-only automount affair. Perhaps there is a kernal module I need to set.. I just don't know. Thanks, \d From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sun Mar 23 16:38:46 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:38:46 -0500 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803231829.06224.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47E67F47.4080809@vtc.vsc.edu> <200803231829.06224.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803231238.46244.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Sunday 23 March 2008, Donn wrote: > It's good news that you have it working. Perhaps its a boot-only automount > affair. Perhaps there is a kernal module I need to set.. I just don't know. Do you have Windows on the thing? Does it work in Windows? It could be something stupid, like the connector just doesn't work. Trying a different OS could confirm or deny this, but if you don't have one around, that's perfectly understandable. -- D. Michael McIntyre From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 16:49:09 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:49:09 +0200 Subject: Watching video from dvd files doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <200803231849.09945.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > While I'm able to play the .vob files, I'm not able to get the dvd menu. I'd like to know too. I drop vob files into Kaffeiene/mplayer and kind of get a random path thru a dvd, but there's no menu etc. \d From soathana at inf.uth.gr Sun Mar 23 16:44:20 2008 From: soathana at inf.uth.gr (soathana) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:44:20 +0200 Subject: Watching video from dvd files doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <47E688E4.1090404@inf.uth.gr> hello, i think there is an option in vlc media player file->open disk->DVD (menus) where you can set the path the vlc reads the dvd menu file. Haven't tested it myself though. sotiris Ulrich Grün wrote: > Hi there, > > Does anybody know whow to watch a video in the filesystem in dvd structure (/ > VIDEO.TS) ? > It seems that a video with dvd structure can be played only if it can be found > at /dev/dvd (or so), but not if it's in the file system. > I think, that this wouldn't be hard to do, but somehow xine, kmplayer, et al, > cannot open files like VIDEO_TS.IFO. > While I'm able to play the .vob files, I'm not able to get the dvd menu. > > Does anybody know how to solve this? > From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 16:55:59 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:55:59 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803231238.46244.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231829.06224.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231238.46244.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200803231855.59292.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Trying a different > OS could confirm or deny this, but if you don't have one around, that's > perfectly understandable. You got me; no other OS around :D But, it seems that e-sata *should* work, so I'll revisit things from the m/b upwards and see what I find. \d From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Sun Mar 23 16:51:01 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:51:01 +0000 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803231501.38325.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47E64586.2090204@bmts.com> <200803231501.38325.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803231651.01937.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> On Sunday 23 March 2008 13:01:38 Donn wrote: > > I'm sorry, but I have not even herd of e-sata. > > Thanks anyway. > > e-sata is 'external sata'. The drive is a sata drive (very different > connection to an IDE) and it's in a case. It has USB and another connector > for plugging into the PC. USB works fine, but I wanted to try the other > connector -- that is the e-sata side of things. Apparently one can get > awesome tranfer speeds that way. > > I am fairly sure I enabled the sata stuff in the BIOS, but I could be > wrong. It's just interesting that I can find no mention of it in the > messages or logs and plugging-in via that connection has no effect at all > -- so I was generally wondering if sata/e-sata was supported on Gnu/Linux > at all? I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 here on 2 SATA drives - 1 for / and the other for /home, so yes SATA works on Linux. In the BIOS, what mode have you got the SATA ports configured as? IIRC they can be configured as part of a RAID or in IDE mode. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 16:54:00 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:54:00 +0100 Subject: Watching video from dvd files doesn't work In-Reply-To: <47E688E4.1090404@inf.uth.gr> References: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <47E688E4.1090404@inf.uth.gr> Message-ID: <200803231754.00591.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Am Sonntag, 23. März 2008 17:44:20 schrieb soathana: > hello, > i think there is an option in vlc media player file->open > disk->DVD (menus) where you can set the path the vlc reads the dvd menu > file. Haven't tested it myself though. > sotiris > Doesn't work as well . . . -- Groet, Ulrich. ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø WU WEI The Sage is occupied with the unspoken, and acts without effort. Teaching without verbosity, producing without possessing, creating without regard to result, claiming nothing, the Sage has nothing to lose. [Tao Te Ching, by Priya Hemenway] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø OS: Kubuntu 7.10 (Linux) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 17:03:55 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:03:55 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <47E688BF.2070707@vtc.vsc.edu> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231829.06224.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <47E688BF.2070707@vtc.vsc.edu> Message-ID: <200803231903.55745.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday, 23 March 2008 18:43:43 Sam Fielder wrote: > If you are getting no response check to make sure the esata is enabled > as mentioned above. check that maybe with the manufacturers > documentation for the mb. Right. > as far as i remember ubuntu detected my drive as soon as the controler > was set up properly. Good to know. > AFAIK esata is not hotpluggable/hotswappable like scsi. it acts just > like an internal ide drive in that you must shutdown and let the > hardware detect and setup the drive. Ah, that jives with other advice I received (Bas!) I really gotta restart one of these days; damn this stable O/S :D > try that to start. I don't remember if I had to tell ubuntu about the > drive or not, but get the drive detected by the mb first and we can move > on from there. Okay, I will post further when I have done that. Thanks, \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 17:06:54 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:06:54 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803231651.01937.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231501.38325.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231651.01937.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200803231906.54493.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > In the BIOS, what mode have you got > the SATA ports configured as? No clear idea really. I avoided RAID coz I have only the one drive. > IIRC they can be configured as part of a RAID or in IDE mode. I will be visiting my BIOS soon and will make a note. Thanks, \d -- Once you start believing in things for which there's no evidence, where do you stop? -- Sackett http://forums.randi.org Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 17:39:35 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:39:35 +0100 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/19, Donn : > Yo, again :) > > I also got an external drive and while it works via usb, it supports e-sata > and I did all the relevant plugging-into the m/b I (think) I need. I also > enabled all SATA stuff I could find in the BIOS. > > Gutsy does zip as far as I can see when I turn the drive on. Not a peep in > dmesg, nor /var/log/messages and certainly no icon on the desktop. > > Is there something I need to do, or is e-sata a non-starter on Kubuntu? > > \d > Hi! I have a motherboard with eSATA interface, the contacts is built in on the motherboard. It's is an extra controller on the m/b named JMicron RAID Controller and found by kubuntu as an "SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 03)" and "IDE interface: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 03)" The drivers that can be related to it are (i think) libata, pata_jmicron, ahci, sata_nv, ata_generic, pci_hotplug and shpchp. I have not tested it as i don't have a disk to connect. Sam Fielder wrote that eSATA could not hotplug but thats wrong acording to the standard SATA/eSATA is built to support hot-swapping but the OS drivers must support it to. So plugging in the drive after boot should be possible. In my BIOS i have three options for the controller, IDE, RAID and AHCI, i think that i need to set it to AHCI to be able to connect an eSATA drive. Do you have that option? If the drive is found it should appear as a device under your dev-tree. Have you checked if you get any new devices when plugging it in? / Jonas From srf10130 at vtc.vsc.edu Sun Mar 23 17:53:53 2008 From: srf10130 at vtc.vsc.edu (Sam Fielder) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:53:53 -0400 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E69931.80107@vtc.vsc.edu> Jonas Norlander wrote: > Sam Fielder wrote that eSATA could not hotplug but thats wrong > acording to the standard > SATA/eSATA is built to support hot-swapping but the OS drivers must > support it to. > So plugging in the drive after boot should be possible. > good to know. I stand corrected. my drive is connected to an always on server, so i have no need for hotswap right now (and haven't really wanted to play with it since it is working), but it is good to know for the future, thanks. sam From pandarsson at yahoo.com Sun Mar 23 18:02:57 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:02:57 -0500 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803231302.59745.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Hi. I don't know if this means anything, but I did a quick search on the Ubuntu forums and found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=679579 It's basically someone asking some advice on what e-sata drive to buy, however, the response contains this line: I prefer this method because in my experience, external drives are laden with useless (and expensive) features that require Windows. This may not mean what it looks like - I'd kind of be surprised if something like a hard drive required a specific operating system - but then again, it may. Also, e-sata support is based on the card or chipset. To see if yours is supported, check out this page: http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 23 20:10:39 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:10:39 -0400 Subject: Watching video from dvd files doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <47E6B93F.7070308@sbcglobal.net> Ulrich Grün wrote: > Hi there, > > Does anybody know whow to watch a video in the filesystem in dvd structure (/ > VIDEO.TS) ? > It seems that a video with dvd structure can be played only if it can be found > at /dev/dvd (or so), but not if it's in the file system. > I think, that this wouldn't be hard to do, but somehow xine, kmplayer, et al, > cannot open files like VIDEO_TS.IFO. > While I'm able to play the .vob files, I'm not able to get the dvd menu. > > Does anybody know how to solve this? > Do you have the package libdvdcss installed from livna ? From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 00:10:02 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Punch Under Wine In-Reply-To: <200803221804.29184.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <247835.66990.qm@web58003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have been using Punch Professional Home Design Suite for several years. It has always worked well under Windows XP. Last year, I got totally fed up with Microsoft and ditched all of their products. I'm running three Kubuntu systems at home and the ONLY program I've not been able to replace with a better Open Source product has been my Punch Home Design. I have installed it under WINE and it works great, with a single exception. When I open any 3D view, it runs fast and smooth, but it takes over the window and I cannot completely clear it so I can go back to editing the plan. Any idea how I can kill just the 3D window without killing the entire WINE session? Currently, Punch is supporting Mac and Microsoft only. I don't mind spending the money for a good product, but refuse to support Microsoft or Apple. Thanks for any assistance. Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From ubuntu at pwatson.me.uk Mon Mar 24 01:28:48 2008 From: ubuntu at pwatson.me.uk (pete watson) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:28:48 +0000 Subject: Watching video from dvd files doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <442b702e0803231828u5f3c047fj6016f71157e23389@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Ulrich Grün wrote: > Hi there, > > Does anybody know whow to watch a video in the filesystem in dvd structure > (/ > VIDEO.TS) ? > It seems that a video with dvd structure can be played only if it can be > found > at /dev/dvd (or so), but not if it's in the file system. > I think, that this wouldn't be hard to do, but somehow xine, kmplayer, et > al, > cannot open files like VIDEO_TS.IFO. > While I'm able to play the .vob files, I'm not able to get the dvd menu. > > Does anybody know how to solve this? > -- > Greets, > Ulrich. > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > WU WEI > The Sage is occupied with the unspoken, and acts without effort. > Teaching without verbosity, producing without possessing, > creating without regard to result, claiming nothing, > the Sage has nothing to lose. [Tao Te Ching, by Priya > Hemenway] > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > OS: Kubuntu 7.10 (Linux) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > xine dvd:/full/path/to/dvdfiles/VIDEO_TS/ works for me, note the last slash is essential. HTH Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 06:35:39 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:35:39 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803240835.39140.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday, 23 March 2008 19:39:35 Jonas Norlander wrote: > In my BIOS i have three options for the controller, IDE, RAID and > AHCI, i think that i need to set it to AHCI to be able to connect an eSATA drive. Thanks for the acronyms - they are useful to know. >If the drive is found it should appear as a device under your > dev-tree. Have you checked if you get any new devices when plugging it in? If you mean go into /dev and do an ls... I find that directory bewildering! It's got loads of devices that seem to be placeholders. I will try to sort it, perhaps I'll see something appear on the end. Thanks for the help. \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 06:50:04 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:50:04 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803231302.59745.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231302.59745.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803240850.04110.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Sunday, 23 March 2008 20:02:57 Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > Also, e-sata support is based on the card or chipset.  To see if yours is > supported, check out this page: > > http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html My m/b manual is in a box in the garage (we moved home recently) and I cannot get to it. Is there a way I can find the 'chipset' from the cli, or do I have to go into BIOS and look around? BTW, I did a [modprobe ahci] - no errors, but no apparent new devices either. /var/log/messages and dmesg do not show anything happened. /dev does not seem to have anything new and /media certainly has nothing. I still have not had a chance to reboot... so it could be some dumb setting in the BIOS too. \d From pandarsson at yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 08:30:23 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:30:23 -0500 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803240850.04110.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231302.59745.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <200803240850.04110.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803240330.23977.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Monday 24 March 2008 1:50:04 Donn wrote: > On Sunday, 23 March 2008 20:02:57 Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > > Also, e-sata support is based on the card or chipset.  To see if yours is > > supported, check out this page: > > > > http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html > > My m/b manual is in a box in the garage (we moved home recently) and I > cannot get to it. Is there a way I can find the 'chipset' from the cli, or > do I have to go into BIOS and look around? I can't think of anything for the cli off the top of my head (I've been getting lazy with my technology over the years), but you may find something by clicking on the K menu, then going to System and finding "Device Manager - Hardware Viewing". Look in the information that gives you. Another way occurs to me if you did not build the system yourself. If that's the case, you can look up the specs for your machine at the manufacturer's website. If you *did* build it yourself, then you may be able to find out just by opening it up and looking at the chips on the board. Unless you know the brand and model (or can guess the model from a list) of the motherboard, in which you can go with the first suggestion. From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 08:49:47 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?utf-8?q?Gr=C3=BCn?=) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:49:47 +0100 Subject: SOLVED: Watching video from dvd files doesn't work In-Reply-To: <442b702e0803231828u5f3c047fj6016f71157e23389@mail.gmail.com> References: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> <442b702e0803231828u5f3c047fj6016f71157e23389@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803240949.48120.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Am Montag, 24. März 2008 02:28:48 schrieb pete watson: > xine dvd:/full/path/to/dvdfiles/VIDEO_TS/ > > works for me, note the last slash is essential. > > HTH > > Pete This was the golden (diamond) solution. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! -- Ulrich. ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø WU WEI The Sage is occupied with the unspoken, and acts without effort. Teaching without verbosity, producing without possessing, creating without regard to result, claiming nothing, the Sage has nothing to lose. [Tao Te Ching, by Priya Hemenway] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø OS: Kubuntu 7.10 (Linux) From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 09:32:03 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:32:03 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803240330.23977.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803240850.04110.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803240330.23977.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803241132.03506.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday, 24 March 2008 10:30:23 Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > K menu, then going to System and finding "Device Manager - > Hardware Viewing".  Look in the information that gives you. I have looked for this kind of thing before, but I can't find it. I'll go check the repos, but it's not installed by default. \d -- If there is anyone in the audience who believes in telekinesis, please raise my hand! -- James Randi Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 09:37:13 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:37:13 +0200 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803241132.03506.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803240330.23977.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <200803241132.03506.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803241137.13188.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I have looked for this kind of thing before, but I can't find it. I'll go > check the repos, but it's not installed by default. Okay, had to install kde-hal-device-manager and it now shows me 3 sata controllers. They are MCP55 nVidia corp. So I can at least google around. Still have not rebooted my box :) \d From mlsoft at videotron.ca Mon Mar 24 18:32:41 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:32:41 -0400 Subject: e-sata question In-Reply-To: <200803240850.04110.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200803191634.47625.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200803231302.59745.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <200803240850.04110.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803241432.41817.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Monday 24 March 2008 02:50:04 Donn wrote: > On Sunday, 23 March 2008 20:02:57 Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > > Also, e-sata support is based on the card or chipset.  To see if yours is > > supported, check out this page: > > > > http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html > > My m/b manual is in a box in the garage (we moved home recently) and I cannot > get to it. Is there a way I can find the 'chipset' from the cli, or do I have > to go into BIOS and look around? > > BTW, I did a [modprobe ahci] - no errors, but no apparent new devices either. > /var/log/messages and dmesg do not show anything happened. /dev does not seem > to have anything new and /media certainly has nothing. > > I still have not had a chance to reboot... so it could be some dumb setting in > the BIOS too. > > \d > I suggest you use the command-line tool 'lshw' you can have an enormous amount of info about every chip in you system. just do 'apt-get install lshw' if you dont have it already installed. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 From wurmdario at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 23:46:43 2008 From: wurmdario at gmail.com (Dario Figueira) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:46:43 +0000 Subject: Is there a "PATH" equivalent in Kubunto? Message-ID: In Windows, when you want some "bin/" to be accessible from anywhere, you go and change the "PATH" variable accordingly, is there, what and where is the kubunto's equivalent? And where should i be looking for this information? I ask bc i have no idea, and i feel kinda guilty of bothering ppl before trying to find out what i need to know first. Thanks in advance -- Dario Figueira - IST nº 54545 - Delegado 5º Ano de MEEC no google ^^ wurmdario at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johndecarlo at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 00:15:42 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:15:42 -0400 Subject: Is there a "PATH" equivalent in Kubunto? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3dde113c0803241715t4b9ccea8p1be6ac0ab94425bd@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dario Figueira wrote: > In Windows, when you want some "bin/" to be accessible from anywhere, you > go and change the "PATH" variable accordingly, is there, what and where is > the kubunto's equivalent? > It is called "PATH". In fact, DOS and Windows borrowed it from Unix. > > And where should i be looking for this information? I ask bc i have no > idea, and i feel kinda guilty of bothering ppl before trying to find out > what i need to know first. > You will need to edit a file to make the change permanent. Others will point to a tutorial, I suspect. You can change it for yourself by hitting Alt-F2 and typing "kate ~/.profile" and look for the PATH variable already being changed. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 06:31:23 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:31:23 +0300 Subject: Is there a "PATH" equivalent in Kubunto? In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0803241715t4b9ccea8p1be6ac0ab94425bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dde113c0803241715t4b9ccea8p1be6ac0ab94425bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E89C3B.9000803@gmail.com> John DeCarlo wrote: > > And where should i be looking for this information? I ask bc i > have no idea, and i feel kinda guilty of bothering ppl before > trying to find out what i need to know first. > > > > > You will need to edit a file to make the change permanent. > > Others will point to a tutorial, I suspect. > > You can change it for yourself by hitting Alt-F2 and typing "kate > ~/.profile" and look for the PATH variable already being changed. Hmmmm... i always thought that ~/.profile is ksh-specific startup file Similar file for bash shell is ~/.bash_profile From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 06:35:05 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:35:05 +0300 Subject: Watching video from dvd files doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <200803231716.32291.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <47E89D19.6050404@gmail.com> Ulrich Grün wrote: > Hi there, > > Does anybody know whow to watch a video in the filesystem in dvd structure (/ > VIDEO.TS) ? > It seems that a video with dvd structure can be played only if it can be found > at /dev/dvd (or so), but not if it's in the file system. > I think, that this wouldn't be hard to do, but somehow xine, kmplayer, et al, > cannot open files like VIDEO_TS.IFO. > While I'm able to play the .vob files, I'm not able to get the dvd menu. > > Does anybody know how to solve this? > I watch video in Kaffeine. It has File > Open Directory menu item for that. Also it's possible to File > Open... and point dvd video iso image - Kaffeine is able to handle them too. From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Tue Mar 25 07:47:25 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:47:25 +0100 Subject: Is there a "PATH" equivalent in Kubunto? References: <3dde113c0803241715t4b9ccea8p1be6ac0ab94425bd@mail.gmail.com> <47E89C3B.9000803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <873aqffdo2.fsf@fjellstad.org> Alexander Smirnov writes: > Hmmmm... i always thought that ~/.profile is ksh-specific startup file > Similar file for bash shell is ~/.bash_profile According to the manual, bash will invoke the following files in this order: /etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, ~/profile -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 09:34:41 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:34:41 +0100 Subject: Is there a "PATH" equivalent in Kubunto? In-Reply-To: <873aqffdo2.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <3dde113c0803241715t4b9ccea8p1be6ac0ab94425bd@mail.gmail.com> <47E89C3B.9000803@gmail.com> <873aqffdo2.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:47 AM, John L Fjellstad wrote: > Alexander Smirnov writes: > > > Hmmmm... i always thought that ~/.profile is ksh-specific startup file > > Similar file for bash shell is ~/.bash_profile > > According to the manual, bash will invoke the following files in this > order: > /etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, ~/profile > > -- > John L. Fjellstad > web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > It also seems to get the local user file .bashrc -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 09:45:38 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:45:38 +0300 Subject: Is there a "PATH" equivalent in Kubunto? In-Reply-To: <873aqffdo2.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <3dde113c0803241715t4b9ccea8p1be6ac0ab94425bd@mail.gmail.com> <47E89C3B.9000803@gmail.com> <873aqffdo2.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <47E8C9C2.9020106@gmail.com> John L Fjellstad wrote: > Alexander Smirnov writes: > > >> Hmmmm... i always thought that ~/.profile is ksh-specific startup file >> Similar file for bash shell is ~/.bash_profile >> > > According to the manual, bash will invoke the following files in this > order: > /etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, ~/profile > > Yes, you are right. reading manuals is a damn useful! quote from bash manual: When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a non-interactive shell with the --login option, it first reads and executes commands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists. After reading that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, and reads and executes commands from the first one that exists and is readable. [...] When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is started, bash reads and executes commands from /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc, if these files exist. /quote So, i think it is reasonable to place PATH to ~/.bashrc From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 10:52:03 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:52:03 +0100 Subject: Is there a "PATH" equivalent in Kubunto? In-Reply-To: <47E89C3B.9000803@gmail.com> References: <3dde113c0803241715t4b9ccea8p1be6ac0ab94425bd@mail.gmail.com> <47E89C3B.9000803@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/25, Alexander Smirnov : > John DeCarlo wrote: > > > > And where should i be looking for this information? I ask bc i > > have no idea, and i feel kinda guilty of bothering ppl before > > trying to find out what i need to know first. > > > > > > > > > > You will need to edit a file to make the change permanent. > > > > Others will point to a tutorial, I suspect. > > > > You can change it for yourself by hitting Alt-F2 and typing "kate > > ~/.profile" and look for the PATH variable already being changed. > > Hmmmm... i always thought that ~/.profile is ksh-specific startup file > Similar file for bash shell is ~/.bash_profile Both ksh and bash is backward compatible with bourn shell so perhaps it's there from the ~/.profile file comes. / Jonas From wurmdario at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:03:37 2008 From: wurmdario at gmail.com (Dario Figueira) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:03:37 +0000 Subject: Is there a "PATH" equivalent in Kubunto? In-Reply-To: References: <3dde113c0803241715t4b9ccea8p1be6ac0ab94425bd@mail.gmail.com> <47E89C3B.9000803@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok, i added to PATH on .bash_profile and it's working as i wanted it to. this whole situation arised from the fact that i could run cmake from anywhere but not ccmake, but i just found out why =p, cmake had been copied to usr/local/bin while ccmake had not :S thanks tho On 3/25/08, Jonas Norlander wrote: > > 2008/3/25, Alexander Smirnov : > > > John DeCarlo wrote: > > > > > > And where should i be looking for this information? I ask bc i > > > have no idea, and i feel kinda guilty of bothering ppl before > > > trying to find out what i need to know first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You will need to edit a file to make the change permanent. > > > > > > Others will point to a tutorial, I suspect. > > > > > > You can change it for yourself by hitting Alt-F2 and typing "kate > > > ~/.profile" and look for the PATH variable already being changed. > > > > Hmmmm... i always thought that ~/.profile is ksh-specific startup file > > Similar file for bash shell is ~/.bash_profile > > > Both ksh and bash is backward compatible with bourn shell so perhaps it's > there from the ~/.profile file comes. > > > / Jonas > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Dario Figueira - IST nº 54545 - Delegado 5º Ano de MEEC no google ^^ wurmdario at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I like the colours of the gnome theme more, but would like to use KDE. regards, Rolf -- ... Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' ... From teeahr1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:37:37 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:37:37 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu Theme for KDE In-Reply-To: <20080325123218.GE10032@vzsze.de> References: <20080325123218.GE10032@vzsze.de> Message-ID: <200803250737.37496.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> Go to http://www.kde-look.org/ and search for "human." cheers- pd. On Tuesday 25 March 2008 07:32:18 Rolf Kutz wrote: > Hello, > > is there an Ubuntu theme for KDE? I like the > colours of the gnome theme more, but would like to > use KDE. > > regards, Rolf > > -- > ... Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' ... From jussi01 at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 25 12:43:07 2008 From: jussi01 at ubuntu.com (Jussi Schultink) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:43:07 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu Theme for KDE In-Reply-To: <20080325123218.GE10032@vzsze.de> References: <20080325123218.GE10032@vzsze.de> Message-ID: Yes there are themes. Have a look on http://kde-look.org/ Jussi On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Rolf Kutz wrote: > Hello, > > is there an Ubuntu theme for KDE? I like the > colours of the gnome theme more, but would like to > use KDE. > > regards, Rolf > > -- > ... Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' ... > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From gerhardusm2002 at yahoo.es Tue Mar 25 14:04:56 2008 From: gerhardusm2002 at yahoo.es (Galvanick Lucipher) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:04:56 +0100 Subject: [SOLVED!] Re: Gutsy: closing laptop lid makes screen blink Message-ID: <200803251504.57093.gerhardusm2002@yahoo.es> After much searching, I found the cause of the problem (and the solution!) on http://tinyurl.com/38frty and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587390&page=3 There are a fair number of bugs open in Launchpad on account of this problem, so I hope this is useful to somebody. Cheers, G. L. On Wednesday 05 March 2008 16:44:44 Galvanick Lucipher wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I sent a message some months ago about a weird ACPI(?) bug in Feisty, but > found no solution. The bug is still in Hardy Alphas 4 and 5. > > I have reported it as Launchpad bug #173519. Below is my original > description > > of the problem in Feisty, slightly edited for things I've discarded: > > I installed Kubuntu Gutsy on my laptop, and everything has worked > > flawlessly except one thing: whenever I press the lid button, the screen > > doesn't blank immediately; instead, it stays on a few seconds and then > > starts blinking on and off at random times, apparently whenever a thermal > > zone event is sent. Sometimes, the screensaver also kicks in, even when I > > switch it off from the control panel. > > > > I have observed the problem even when booting from the live CD before > > installation. Removing the KDE screensavers does not solve the problem, > > nor restarting X. I have to reboot the computer to get it working > > normally. Is it possible that the problem is in the kernel's power > > management modules? > > > > Needless to say, the computer is unusable under these conditions, so > > I've been forced to go back to Feisty for the moment. > > > > My system is a HP 6120 laptop with a 2.0 GHz Pentium-M, 512 MB RAM, > > running an unmodified Kubuntu Gutsy. > > This is what gets written to /var/log/acpid during the blackouts in Hardy > Alpha 5: > > *********************************************** > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] received event "thermal_zone TZ1 00000081 > 00000000" [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] notifying client 5398[0:0] > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] notifying client 5664[108:118] > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] completed event "thermal_zone TZ1 00000081 > 00000000" > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] received event "video C055 00000080 00000000" > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] notifying client 5398[0:0] > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] notifying client 5664[108:118] > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] executing action "/etc/acpi/videobtn.sh" > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:02 2008] BEGIN HANDLER MESSAGES > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] END HANDLER MESSAGES > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] action exited with status 0 > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] completed event "video C055 00000080 00000000" > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] received event "button/lid C1E5 00000080 > 00000046" [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] notifying client 5398[0:0] > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] notifying client 5664[108:118] > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] executing action "/etc/acpi/lid.sh" > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:03 2008] BEGIN HANDLER MESSAGES > ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! > /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank: line 6: [: 10256: unary operator > expected [Mon Mar 3 16:08:04 2008] END HANDLER MESSAGES > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:04 2008] action exited with status 1 > [Mon Mar 3 16:08:04 2008] completed event "button/lid C1E5 00000080 > 00000046" **************************** > > > Besides, /proc/acpi/button/lid/C1E5/state shows "closed", even when the > lid is open and the lid button clearly not pushed. > > I have compared the /etc/acpi/lid.sh in the faulty distros (Gutsy and > Hardy) with the one in Feisty (which works perfectly) and both are > identical, so it doesn't seem to be a script problem. However, I've > compiled several kernels by hand and the exact same kernels only show this > bug under the faulty Gutsy and Hardy, but not under Feisty, so it doesn't > seem to be a acpi module problem either. > > Any suggestions? I've tried everything I know, without success. The bug is > annoying enough to make the system unusable, so if I can't solve it I'll > have to switch to another distro once Feisty ceases to be maintained, which > would be a pity bcause other wise it works perfectly here. > > Thank you very much in advance, > > G.L. -- He who is in love with himself has at least this advantage -- he won't encounter many rivals. -- Georg Lichtenberg, "Aphorisms" ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y m�viles desde 1 c�ntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com From wurmdario at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 16:02:10 2008 From: wurmdario at gmail.com (Dario Figueira) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:02:10 +0000 Subject: sudo operations in Konqueror Message-ID: How to? Is it possible? Or do we have to go to the shell every time? Thanks -- Dario Figueira - IST nº 54545 - Delegado 5º Ano de MEEC no google ^^ wurmdario at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 16:14:41 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:14:41 +0100 Subject: Is there a "PATH" equivalent in Kubunto? In-Reply-To: References: <3dde113c0803241715t4b9ccea8p1be6ac0ab94425bd@mail.gmail.com> <47E89C3B.9000803@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/3/25, Dario Figueira : > > > Ok, i added to PATH on .bash_profile and it's working as i wanted it to. > > > > this whole situation arised from the fact that i could run cmake from > > anywhere but not ccmake, > > but i just found out why =p, cmake had been copied to usr/local/bin while > > ccmake had not :S > > > > thanks tho > > > > > > Strange /usr/local/bin is a standard path wounder why they dont ad it? > echo $PATH On my computer: PATH=/home/douglas/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/douglas/bin:/home/douglas/django_trunk/django/bin:/home/douglas/bin:/home/douglas/django_trunk/django/bin I have only added the Django stuff by hand. Odd the repeats I have in there?? I will have to look into that a bit, perhaps I added it badly...? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From hunkumori at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 16:15:28 2008 From: hunkumori at gmail.com (Asuka Langley) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:15:28 +0100 Subject: sudo operations in Konqueror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <347f0cf50803250915g4a97a63eq9dd1d03c904ebd40@mail.gmail.com> Just run Konqueror as the following: kdesu konqueror There you go. You will get a full "sudo"-ed konqueror. If this is what you mean. If you press F4, then you get a shell immediately from Konqueror. 2008/3/25, Dario Figueira : > > How to? Is it possible? Or do we have to go to the shell every time? > Thanks > > -- > Dario Figueira - IST nº 54545 - Delegado 5º Ano de MEEC > no google ^^ wurmdario at gmail.com > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wurmdario at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 16:39:41 2008 From: wurmdario at gmail.com (Dario Figueira) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:39:41 +0000 Subject: sudo operations in Konqueror In-Reply-To: <347f0cf50803250915g4a97a63eq9dd1d03c904ebd40@mail.gmail.com> References: <347f0cf50803250915g4a97a63eq9dd1d03c904ebd40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you very much :) On 3/25/08, Asuka Langley wrote: > > Just run Konqueror as the following: > > kdesu konqueror > > There you go. You will get a full "sudo"-ed konqueror. If this is what you > mean. If you press F4, then you get a shell immediately from Konqueror. > > 2008/3/25, Dario Figueira : > > > > How to? Is it possible? Or do we have to go to the shell every time? > > Thanks > > > > -- > > Dario Figueira - IST nº 54545 - Delegado 5º Ano de MEEC > > no google ^^ wurmdario at gmail.com > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Dario Figueira - IST nº 54545 - Delegado 5º Ano de MEEC no google ^^ wurmdario at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teeahr1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 16:42:34 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:42:34 -0500 Subject: sudo operations in Konqueror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803251142.35084.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> On Tuesday 25 March 2008 11:02:10 Dario Figueira wrote: > How to? Is it possible? Or do we have to go to the shell every time? > Thanks I believe you're looking for this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Root+Actions+Servicemenu?content=48411 cheers- p. From nigel at rmk.co.il Tue Mar 25 18:03:43 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:03:43 +0200 Subject: Cheese problems (Hardy) Message-ID: <47E93E7F.2050506@rmk.co.il> I have been playing a little with 'Cheese' (it's a webcam app) and since a recent upgrade on Hardy, any video that a make (using the built-in webcam on my Dell Inspiron 1525) plays back a 2 or 3 times speed. I have checked using different players. Previous video clips that Cheese made play at the correct speed. Anybody else notice the same? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 25 23:19:39 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:19:39 -0300 Subject: sudo operations in Konqueror References: <347f0cf50803250915g4a97a63eq9dd1d03c904ebd40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1809375.xgNfYrIrNm@cedar.serverforest.com> Asuka Langley wrote: > Just run Konqueror as the following: > > kdesu konqueror or, in a user-level konqueror, right click on any file, and choose "Open with" (Other...), and at the prompt provide "kdesu COMMAND", and it will run "COMMAND" as root. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Mar 25 23:21:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:21:27 -0300 Subject: Is there a "PATH" equivalent in Kubunto? References: <3dde113c0803241715t4b9ccea8p1be6ac0ab94425bd@mail.gmail.com> <47E89C3B.9000803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4568183.0a9BfEFm61@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Jonas Norlander > wrote: >> 2008/3/25, Dario Figueira : >> >> > Ok, i added to PATH on .bash_profile and it's working as i wanted it >> > to. >> > >> > this whole situation arised from the fact that i could run cmake from >> > anywhere but not ccmake, >> > but i just found out why =p, cmake had been copied to usr/local/bin >> > while ccmake had not :S >> > >> > thanks tho >> >> Strange /usr/local/bin is a standard path wounder why they dont ad it? >> > echo $PATH > On my computer: > PATH=/home/douglas/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/douglas/bin:/home/douglas/django_trunk/django/bin:/home/douglas/bin:/home/douglas/django_trunk/django/bin > I have only added the Django stuff by hand. > Odd the repeats I have in there?? I will have to look into that a bit, > perhaps I added it badly...? afaik (though of course, my system is modified) /usr/local/bin is on the path by default, ~/bin is not - it's included in one of the .bash* files but commented out. -- derek From yuriy-kozlov at kubuntu.org Wed Mar 26 01:49:33 2008 From: yuriy-kozlov at kubuntu.org (Yuriy Kozlov) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:49:33 -0400 Subject: Celebrating Kubuntu Hug Day! 27 March 2008 Message-ID: <714626160803251849m3d7cc8c9i2846beee53f04547@mail.gmail.com> Hello Kubuntu Lovers, Following with the Desktop Hug Days of Thursdays, the March 27 of 2008 we'll be celebrating a Konqueror Hug Day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080327/KDE Our goal is to deal with all of the bugs on that list. Who can join the Hug Day? Everyone. You don't need to be a developer. You don't need to know to code. Everyone is welcome. If you don't know how to help, then just come and we'll explain you everything. In a Bug Day, you can * work in a nice team, * make sure the bug reporters' concerns are heard, * gather all the information needed so developers can fix bugs, * close useless bugs, * find out where the bugs come from, and eventually * work together with upstream to make changes happen, * get experience in hacking and fixing bugs. Where to join the Hug Day? #ubuntu-bugs on freenode IRC. And you can go there every other day too! When to join the Hug Day? Next hug day is on March 27 of 2008 In all timezones. But again, you can go there every day and help with triaging the bug tracking systems. While you are welcome to apply to join the Ubuntu Bug Control team at anytime, Hug Day is a great day to join! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl If you're interested in helping to make the next release of Ubuntu even better - please stop by. And feel free to ask pedro, ogasawara, heno, yuriy and the rest of the team for ways to help out. We hope to see you there and your name on the list of bug triagers! Have a nice day, ~ Yuriy From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Mar 26 02:25:54 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:25:54 +0200 Subject: xorg.conf in Hardy Message-ID: <47E9B432.6000208@rmk.co.il> I was contemplating changing the 'touchpad' options on my laptop and opened xorg.conf only to be surprised to see very minimalistic entries - no options for 'mouse', no resolution entries for 'screen'. Everything just seems to have very basic entries. What gives? And BTW, how can I change the sensitivity on the touchpad? I keep clicking when I just want to move the cursor :-( Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 06:38:46 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:38:46 +0200 Subject: xorg.conf in Hardy In-Reply-To: <47E9B432.6000208@rmk.co.il> References: <47E9B432.6000208@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <47E9EF76.2@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > I was contemplating changing the 'touchpad' options on my laptop and opened xorg.conf only > to be surprised to see very minimalistic entries - no options for 'mouse', no resolution > entries for 'screen'. Everything just seems to have very basic entries. > What gives? > > And BTW, how can I change the sensitivity on the touchpad? I keep clicking when I just > want to move the cursor :-( > I can not help you with the first question but if you have a synaptics touchpad (very likely) you can install KSynaptics and change settings. That has worked reasonably well for me, I was also going nuts by finding that all sorts of things happened while using the touchpad that is set to be WAY too sensitive by default Sinclair From wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com Wed Mar 26 11:33:41 2008 From: wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com (Wagner Ferreira) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:33:41 -0300 Subject: Moodin-Kde plugin w/ Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, all ! Have you noticed that when we upgrade Kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04, the moodin-kde plugin disappears? Is this a know issue? There's no problems when it happens, but the initial splash screen of KDM becomes misconfigured. I solved that installing the plugin again. See ya !Wagner FerreiraInformática & Networking(11)7642-7980(11)8524-8764wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. 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Must be a dependency problem with kubuntu-desktop. regards, From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 12:09:52 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:09:52 -0500 Subject: xorg.conf in Hardy In-Reply-To: <47E9B432.6000208@rmk.co.il> References: <47E9B432.6000208@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200803260709.52700.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> The new version of xorg is "self-configuring," but I guess it's not very good at it yet. I had problems with monitor detection. If you have a copy of your old xorg.conf laying around, you can cut n paste the appropriate sections in. For my monitor, I had to copy in "monitor" and "screen." You may also have to copy in your "server" section. Search the forums for more information (someone should put up a wiki page if it's not done already). Hope this helps. -p. On Tuesday 25 March 2008 21:25:54 Nigel Ridley wrote: > I was contemplating changing the 'touchpad' options on my laptop and opened > xorg.conf only to be surprised to see very minimalistic entries - no > options for 'mouse', no resolution entries for 'screen'. Everything just > seems to have very basic entries. What gives? > > And BTW, how can I change the sensitivity on the touchpad? I keep clicking > when I just want to move the cursor :-( > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > -- > OliveRoot Ministries > http://www.oliveroot.net/ > > PrayingForIsrael.net > http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Mar 26 15:24:09 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:24:09 +0200 Subject: KSynaptics - was xorg.conf in Hardy In-Reply-To: <47E9EF76.2@gmail.com> References: <47E9B432.6000208@rmk.co.il> <47E9EF76.2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EA6A99.2010903@rmk.co.il> O. Sinclair wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> I was contemplating changing the 'touchpad' options on my laptop and opened xorg.conf only >> to be surprised to see very minimalistic entries - no options for 'mouse', no resolution >> entries for 'screen'. Everything just seems to have very basic entries. >> What gives? >> >> And BTW, how can I change the sensitivity on the touchpad? I keep clicking when I just >> want to move the cursor :-( >> > I can not help you with the first question but if you have a synaptics > touchpad (very likely) you can install KSynaptics and change settings. > That has worked reasonably well for me, I was also going nuts by finding > that all sorts of things happened while using the touchpad that is set > to be WAY too sensitive by default > > Sinclair > Thanks but unfortunately it is no longer available. Instead the author is concentrating on something called TouchFreeze (see: http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/). Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Mar 26 16:35:32 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:35:32 -0600 Subject: KSynaptics - was xorg.conf in Hardy In-Reply-To: <47EA6A99.2010903@rmk.co.il> References: <47E9B432.6000208@rmk.co.il> <47E9EF76.2@gmail.com> <47EA6A99.2010903@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <47EA7B54.1050409@swbell.net> Nigel Ridley wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Nigel Ridley wrote: >> >>> I was contemplating changing the 'touchpad' options on my laptop and opened xorg.conf only >>> to be surprised to see very minimalistic entries - no options for 'mouse', no resolution >>> entries for 'screen'. Everything just seems to have very basic entries. >>> What gives? >>> >>> And BTW, how can I change the sensitivity on the touchpad? I keep clicking when I just >>> want to move the cursor :-( >>> >>> >> I can not help you with the first question but if you have a synaptics >> touchpad (very likely) you can install KSynaptics and change settings. >> That has worked reasonably well for me, I was also going nuts by finding >> that all sorts of things happened while using the touchpad that is set >> to be WAY too sensitive by default >> >> Sinclair >> >> > > Thanks but unfortunately it is no longer available. Instead the author is concentrating on > something called TouchFreeze (see: http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/). > > Blessings, > > Nigel > > Thats funny. I just installed it on my laptop from the standard repositories. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Mar 26 16:10:59 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:10:59 +0200 Subject: KSynaptics - was xorg.conf in Hardy In-Reply-To: <47EA7B54.1050409@swbell.net> References: <47E9B432.6000208@rmk.co.il> <47E9EF76.2@gmail.com> <47EA6A99.2010903@rmk.co.il> <47EA7B54.1050409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <47EA7593.7090108@rmk.co.il> Billie Walsh wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> O. Sinclair wrote: >> >>> Nigel Ridley wrote: >>> >>>> I was contemplating changing the 'touchpad' options on my laptop and opened xorg.conf only >>>> to be surprised to see very minimalistic entries - no options for 'mouse', no resolution >>>> entries for 'screen'. Everything just seems to have very basic entries. >>>> What gives? >>>> >>>> And BTW, how can I change the sensitivity on the touchpad? I keep clicking when I just >>>> want to move the cursor :-( >>>> >>>> >>> I can not help you with the first question but if you have a synaptics >>> touchpad (very likely) you can install KSynaptics and change settings. >>> That has worked reasonably well for me, I was also going nuts by finding >>> that all sorts of things happened while using the touchpad that is set >>> to be WAY too sensitive by default >>> >>> Sinclair >>> >>> >> Thanks but unfortunately it is no longer available. Instead the author is concentrating on >> something called TouchFreeze (see: http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/). >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> >> > Thats funny. I just installed it on my laptop from the standard > repositories. > Not available under Hardy :-( -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 20:43:28 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:43:28 -0600 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? Message-ID: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> I had to go out and buy a Vista laptop in a hurry this morning. Where do people think the best directions are to be found for installing kubuntu (32-bit gutsy) so that it dual-boots with the pre-installed Vista? I've seen a few sets of directions, but I'd value any opinions as to the ones that are most likely to work. This is a 32-bit laptop (Toshiba Satellite A205-S5814). So far, all I've done is boot it. Doc From wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com Wed Mar 26 21:31:45 2008 From: wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com (Wagner Ferreira) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:31:45 -0300 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: It seems that you want the two systems working at the same machine. For this, you´ll have to partition your HD first, then install Vista, and after all install kubuntu in the empty partition. Did I understand what you want? Tks,Wagner FerreiraInformática & Networking(11)7642-7980(11)8524-8764wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:43:28 -0600> From: doc.evans at gmail.com> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista?> > I had to go out and buy a Vista laptop in a hurry this morning.> > Where do people think the best directions are to be found for installing> kubuntu (32-bit gutsy) so that it dual-boots with the pre-installed Vista?> > I've seen a few sets of directions, but I'd value any opinions as to the> ones that are most likely to work.> > This is a 32-bit laptop (Toshiba Satellite A205-S5814).> > So far, all I've done is boot it.> > Doc> > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. 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Then find a copy of xp somewhere, install that, then install Kubuntu. I tried installing the ultimate crap M$ calls vista on a few machines, it is not good. :) In one case, I was simply setting up a friends new computer with vista. Vista was already pre-installed, but a glitch in it caused me to use its restore function and it cost me two hours of my time and that was even before vista first ran. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 7.10 From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 22:26:52 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:26:52 +0100 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/26, Wagner Ferreira : > > It seems that you want the two systems working at the same machine. For > this, you´ll have to partition your HD first, then install Vista, and after > all install kubuntu in the empty partition. > > Did I understand what you want? > > Tks, > I'm not sure he realy need to reinstall vista he could resize the partition, make a new for kubuntu and install kubunto on that. ntfsresize is one program to resize ntfs partitions. As always it's a risk so be sure to backup all data before. /Jonas From pascal at tipisoft.dk Wed Mar 26 22:48:35 2008 From: pascal at tipisoft.dk (Pascal d'Hermilly) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:48:35 +0100 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> Message-ID: <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> Dual booting is so last year ;-) I've been using Virtualbox for several months now. It works great. Virtualization is so much easier because you can work with both systems at the same time. Virtualbox can run with suprisingly few resources, kubuntu and xp on like 768 MB ram. //Pascal Scott skrev: > Wagner Ferreira wrote: > >> It seems that you want the two systems working at the same machine. For >> this, you´ll have to partition your HD first, then install Vista, and >> after all install kubuntu in the empty partition. >> > He could, instead, use a cd like the system rescue cd to shrink the > vista partition then create a new partition with the newly available > space to put on Kubuntu. > > I would rather suggest, if you really need windows, to completely > deleting vista and then re-partition your hard drive like above. Then > find a copy of xp somewhere, install that, then install Kubuntu. I > tried installing the ultimate crap M$ calls vista on a few machines, it > is not good. :) In one case, I was simply setting up a friends new > computer with vista. Vista was already pre-installed, but a glitch in > it caused me to use its restore function and it cost me two hours of my > time and that was even before vista first ran. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slewin at bmts.com Wed Mar 26 22:54:47 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:54:47 -0400 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> Message-ID: <47EAD437.5080509@bmts.com> Pascal d'Hermilly wrote: > Dual booting is so last year ;-) > I've been using Virtualbox for several months now. It works great. > Virtualization is so much easier because you can work with both systems > at the same time. Yea, VirtualBox is great. The only problem with VirtualBox is that it emulates a generic video card, so it is amazing at general apps, but not for high end video games. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 7.10 From hvontres at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 23:28:39 2008 From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:28:39 -0700 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 1:43 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > I had to go out and buy a Vista laptop in a hurry this morning. > > Where do people think the best directions are to be found for installing > kubuntu (32-bit gutsy) so that it dual-boots with the pre-installed Vista? > > I've seen a few sets of directions, but I'd value any opinions as to the > ones that are most likely to work. > > This is a 32-bit laptop (Toshiba Satellite A205-S5814). > > So far, all I've done is boot it. > > Doc > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > The one redeaming feature of Vista is that is can resize the C: drive itself :) I did that when I installed kubuntu on my new HP laptop 1) tell Vista that it only needs ~30GB or so of HD 2) Set up a couple of partitions on the free space ( I did one for / , one for /home and one for swap) 3) Install Kubuntu and tell it to put grub on the MBR 4) enjoy -- Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrdokdoom at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 23:30:36 2008 From: rrdokdoom at gmail.com (Doug Stryjew) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:30:36 -0400 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P Message-ID: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> Usually when you hear of resolution issues/problems you might think of typical problems. (ex.. I just installed and my pc/laptop won't use the proper resolution.) This is not the case here. First let me tell everyone my specs. Video Card: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M Driver: nvidia driver, downloaded from restricted driver manager Machine: Thinkpad T61p Laptop Screen: 15.4" Wide Screen WUXGA (1920x1200) Secondary Monitor: SCEPTRE WX24 (1920x1200) OS: 32 bit Gutsy Kubuntu All of my repositories are updated. I'll keep this part simple as it doesn't play a huge role in this problem. It is well documented that the T61P will not boot right off the start to a working X. Before you log in you have to go into recovery mode and change the xorg.conf. By default it gives you the "nv" driver which simply will not work with this particular video card. According to many guides, including thinkwiki's you have to change the driver to "vesa" in order to get X to start. I log in and everything is very tiny just like I wanted (And expected using such a high resolution) Once I do that I update my repositories and once that is complete I install the restricted "nvidia" driver. I check my xorg.conf to verify the driver my card is using is "nvidia". I run glxinfo |grep ren And I have rendering. Here is my problem. When I power on I am prompted with a login screen like usual. The second I enter my user credentials it's like everything just gets a little bit bigger. A big notification is my mouse icon, it will be very tiny but when I login the mouse gets a little bit bigger. When I open up a terminal I do not expect it to take up over 1/4 of the screen. I know I can change the font size of konsole as well as the whole scale of the window. But it should not be this big. It should be very small. The monitor I have plugged into the Thinkpad makes the applications look even bigger. The weird part is both of these screens are displaying the proper resolution. I have worked with xorg.conf resolution problems a lot. I know when the screen isn't displaying the right resolution. But even though the resolution is set correctly, everything appears to be big. Not streched out, using the wrong resolution big, but wow these windows very large. I have searched my butt off trying to find an answer and asked everyone I know who uses kubuntu with the nvidia driver (Which is a lot) and nobody seems to be able to offer any help. I realize the problem and the description doesn't make much sense and that is why it's hard to answer something you don't understand. But if I had to boil it down to a very short description I would say this. While my resolution is correct, everything seems to be rather large. At the login screen everything looks very nice and small. But the second I enter my password and login it's like the screen magnifies. I haven't found any options in my nvidia-settings or kde window settings that described the option I want to change. Which is to make everything not so big. So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put money the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong with my xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the wrong resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just doesn't seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe to a mailing list and ask all of you. Any ideas? dok -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pandarsson at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 00:36:51 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:36:51 -0500 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P In-Reply-To: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> References: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803261936.52010.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Wednesday 26 March 2008 6:30:36 Doug Stryjew wrote: > So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put money > the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong with my > xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the wrong > resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just doesn't > seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe to a > mailing list and ask all of you. > > Any ideas? What comes to mind for me would be some accessibility feature for people with poor eyesight that somehow managed to become activated on your system. However, I don't know what that might be. I'm still searching, though. From rrdokdoom at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 01:17:34 2008 From: rrdokdoom at gmail.com (Doug Stryjew) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:17:34 -0400 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P In-Reply-To: <200803261936.52010.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> <200803261936.52010.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1835a15a0803261817g72eb186ap83cbacce4ba6c231@mail.gmail.com> That's a great idea. I'm looking around in the accessibility options but there doesn't seem to be any options for vision aide. Still looking though. On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > On Wednesday 26 March 2008 6:30:36 Doug Stryjew wrote: > > So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put > money > > the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong with my > > xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the wrong > > resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just > doesn't > > seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe to a > > mailing list and ask all of you. > > > > Any ideas? > > What comes to mind for me would be some accessibility feature for people > with > poor eyesight that somehow managed to become activated on your system. > However, I don't know what that might be. I'm still searching, though. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Mar 27 01:32:04 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:32:04 -0500 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P In-Reply-To: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> References: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803262132.04637.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Doug Stryjew wrote: > Any ideas? Fonts a bit larger than normal, I'd say it's a dpi issue. You can see the dpi you're running at by running xdpyinfo|grep resolution resolution: 87x86 dots per inch Where to go from there, I'm starting to run into holes in my memory. I haven't had to deal with this issue in a really long time. Also, I'm not absolutely convinced that this is really your trouble, since you say it affected lots more than font sizes. It was a thought anyway. I'm thinking your horizontal dpi should be 124ish, so if it's way off, maybe that's enough of a clue to incite further digging. (I'm not in top form tonight. My brain is tired. Working for a living is for suckers. Anybody got a winning lottery ticket? I'll split it with you.) -- D. Michael McIntyre From rrdokdoom at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 03:44:30 2008 From: rrdokdoom at gmail.com (Doug Stryjew) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:44:30 -0400 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P In-Reply-To: <200803262132.04637.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> <200803262132.04637.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1835a15a0803262044k1758c47cj349987f133bef406@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for helping. Here is the output from that command: resolution: 147x145 dots per inch I'll do some research. Thanks again. On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:32 PM, D. Michael McIntyre < michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com> wrote: > On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Doug Stryjew wrote: > > Any ideas? > > Fonts a bit larger than normal, I'd say it's a dpi issue. > > You can see the dpi you're running at by running xdpyinfo|grep resolution > > resolution: 87x86 dots per inch > > Where to go from there, I'm starting to run into holes in my memory. I > haven't had to deal with this issue in a really long time. Also, I'm not > absolutely convinced that this is really your trouble, since you say it > affected lots more than font sizes. > > It was a thought anyway. I'm thinking your horizontal dpi should be > 124ish, > so if it's way off, maybe that's enough of a clue to incite further > digging. > > (I'm not in top form tonight. My brain is tired. Working for a living is > for > suckers. Anybody got a winning lottery ticket? I'll split it with you.) > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Thu Mar 27 04:14:24 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:14:24 -0500 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P In-Reply-To: <1835a15a0803262044k1758c47cj349987f133bef406@mail.gmail.com> References: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> <200803262132.04637.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1835a15a0803262044k1758c47cj349987f133bef406@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803270014.24343.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Doug Stryjew wrote: > Thanks for helping. Here is the output from that command: > > resolution: 147x145 dots per inch > > I'll do some research. Thanks again. That sounds like it could actually be the answer. I'm not exactly a math whiz, but I came up with 124ish, thinking it might be bogus because 120 is a more common number. 147 seems way out of line, though a better question is why do you get one figure when you log in, and presumably another one on the KDM screen? That would imply some user space configuration issue, but I'm not aware of any way to configure this sort of thing in user space. Anyway, you might get some traction out of this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=719227 This bit looks particularly promising: I have essentially the same problem, and there is no need to do anything complicated to solve; simply take a ruler, measure the horizontal and vertical dimensions of your monitor (in millimeters). Then, add one line in xorg.conf under Section "Monitor": Code: DisplaySize x y Example, this the relevant section in my xorg.conf: Code: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "CRT-0" HorzSync 30.0-70.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 160.0 DisplaySize 430 270 EndSection where my monitor is 430mm by 270mm. Restart Xorg by CTRL+ALT+Backspace and the fonts should now be ok. -- D. Michael McIntyre From tapojoychatterjee at yahoo.co.in Thu Mar 27 11:31:50 2008 From: tapojoychatterjee at yahoo.co.in (Tapojoy chatterjee) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:01:50 +0530 (IST) Subject: Issue regarding package selection Message-ID: <256046.59634.qm@web7907.mail.in.yahoo.com> Hi I am trying to install ubuntu in a 1GB flash and 256MB RAM system.. The system has no cd or dvd rom or internet connection. I made a live usb and PXE based architecture . But the issue is am not get any package selection mechanism while installing like in fedora. Is there any in ubuntu ? If so please help me Tapojoy Chatterjee Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kfulks at knology.net Thu Mar 27 11:42:34 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:42:34 -0500 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P In-Reply-To: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> References: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EB882A.5000905@knology.net> Doug Stryjew wrote: > Usually when you hear of resolution issues/problems you might think of > typical problems. (ex.. I just installed and my pc/laptop won't use the > proper resolution.) This is not the case here. First let me tell everyone my > specs. > > Video Card: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M > > Driver: nvidia driver, downloaded from restricted driver manager > > Machine: Thinkpad T61p > > Laptop Screen: 15.4" Wide Screen WUXGA (1920x1200) > > Secondary Monitor: SCEPTRE WX24 (1920x1200) > > OS: 32 bit Gutsy Kubuntu > > All of my repositories are updated. > > I'll keep this part simple as it doesn't play a huge role in this problem. > > It is well documented that the T61P will not boot right off the start to a > working X. > > Before you log in you have to go into recovery mode and change the xorg.conf. > By default it gives you the "nv" driver which simply will not work with this > particular video card. According to many guides, including thinkwiki's you > have to change the driver to "vesa" in order to get X to start. I log in and > everything is very tiny just like I wanted (And expected using such a high > resolution) Once I do that I update my repositories and once that is > complete I install the restricted "nvidia" driver. I check my xorg.conf to > verify the driver my card is using is "nvidia". > > I run glxinfo |grep ren > > And I have rendering. > > Here is my problem. When I power on I am prompted with a login screen like > usual. The second I enter my user credentials it's like everything just gets > a little bit bigger. A big notification is my mouse icon, it will be very > tiny but when I login the mouse gets a little bit bigger. When I open up a > terminal I do not expect it to take up over 1/4 of the screen. I know I can > change the font size of konsole as well as the whole scale of the window. > But it should not be this big. It should be very small. The monitor I have > plugged into the Thinkpad makes the applications look even bigger. The weird > part is both of these screens are displaying the proper resolution. I have > worked with xorg.conf resolution problems a lot. I know when the screen > isn't displaying the right resolution. But even though the resolution is set > correctly, everything appears to be big. Not streched out, using the wrong > resolution big, but wow these windows very large. I have searched my butt > off trying to find an answer and asked everyone I know who uses kubuntu with > the nvidia driver (Which is a lot) and nobody seems to be able to offer any > help. I realize the problem and the description doesn't make much sense and > that is why it's hard to answer something you don't understand. But if I had > to boil it down to a very short description I would say this. > > While my resolution is correct, everything seems to be rather large. At the > login screen everything looks very nice and small. But the second I enter my > password and login it's like the screen magnifies. I haven't found any > options in my nvidia-settings or kde window settings that described the > option I want to change. Which is to make everything not so big. > > So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put money > the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong with my > xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the wrong > resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just doesn't > seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe to a > mailing list and ask all of you. > > Any ideas? > > dok > > Two things come to mind that are related to the same thing actually. A user can change the resolution, so maybe at some time you did this? I doubt it, but just a sanity check. The second is that there is not enough video memory to support both screens at 1920x1200 resolution. To compensate the system is backing the resolution down. KDE doesn't really see the second head until you login (depending upon your exact dual head configuration). In either case, you should verify your resolution. You can extract this from the /var/log/Xorg.log.0 file (grep for "Virtual screen") or you can run xwininfo from that terminal window and then click on the wallpaper (root window), and look at the Width, Height, and Depth (bits per pixel) entries. You can see lots of interesting information in the Xorg.log.0 file when you get into it. It is useful for more than just determining why X isn't running. As you look through this file, you may very well see message that tells you exactly why the system has backed off some setting. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 11:47:15 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:47:15 +0100 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P In-Reply-To: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> References: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/27, Doug Stryjew : > Usually when you hear of resolution issues/problems you might think of > typical problems. (ex.. I just installed and my pc/laptop won't use the > proper resolution.) This is not the case here. First let me tell everyone my > specs. > > Video Card: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M > > Driver: nvidia driver, downloaded from restricted driver manager > > Machine: Thinkpad T61p > > Laptop Screen: 15.4" Wide Screen WUXGA (1920x1200) > > Secondary Monitor: SCEPTRE WX24 (1920x1200) > > OS: 32 bit Gutsy Kubuntu > > All of my repositories are updated. > > I'll keep this part simple as it doesn't play a huge role in this problem. > > It is well documented that the T61P will not boot right off the start to a > working X. > > Before you log in you have to go into recovery mode and change the > xorg.conf. By default it gives you the "nv" driver which simply will not > work with this particular video card. According to many guides, including > thinkwiki's you have to change the driver to "vesa" in order to get X to > start. I log in and everything is very tiny just like I wanted (And expected > using such a high resolution) Once I do that I update my repositories and > once that is complete I install the restricted "nvidia" driver. I check my > xorg.conf to verify the driver my card is using is "nvidia". > > I run glxinfo |grep ren > > And I have rendering. > > Here is my problem. When I power on I am prompted with a login screen like > usual. The second I enter my user credentials it's like everything just gets > a little bit bigger. A big notification is my mouse icon, it will be very > tiny but when I login the mouse gets a little bit bigger. When I open up a > terminal I do not expect it to take up over 1/4 of the screen. I know I can > change the font size of konsole as well as the whole scale of the window. > But it should not be this big. It should be very small. The monitor I have > plugged into the Thinkpad makes the applications look even bigger. The weird > part is both of these screens are displaying the proper resolution. I have > worked with xorg.conf resolution problems a lot. I know when the screen > isn't displaying the right resolution. But even though the resolution is set > correctly, everything appears to be big. Not streched out, using the wrong > resolution big, but wow these windows very large. I have searched my butt > off trying to find an answer and asked everyone I know who uses kubuntu with > the nvidia driver (Which is a lot) and nobody seems to be able to offer any > help. I realize the problem and the description doesn't make much sense and > that is why it's hard to answer something you don't understand. But if I had > to boil it down to a very short description I would say this. > > While my resolution is correct, everything seems to be rather large. At the > login screen everything looks very nice and small. But the second I enter my > password and login it's like the screen magnifies. I haven't found any > options in my nvidia-settings or kde window settings that described the > option I want to change. Which is to make everything not so big. > > So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put money > the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong with my > xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the wrong > resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just doesn't > seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe to a > mailing list and ask all of you. > > Any ideas? > > dok > With the nvidia driver you can disable automatic settings of dpi and set dpi manually. Look into this options: Option "UseEdidDpi" "false" Option "DPI" "96 x 96" Have you checked your xorg log file? If you post it we can have a look. / Jonas From wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com Thu Mar 27 11:53:34 2008 From: wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com (Wagner Ferreira) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:53:34 -0300 Subject: Issue regarding package selection In-Reply-To: <256046.59634.qm@web7907.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <256046.59634.qm@web7907.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kubuntu has an automatic package selection, because it uses non-text based install procedures. You can user the ubuntu-server edition, that uses a text-based instalation, and you can choose some packages to install. Wagner FerreiraInformática & Networking(11)7642-7980(11)8524-8764wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:01:50 +0530From: tapojoychatterjee at yahoo.co.inSubject: Issue regarding package selectionTo: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Hi I am trying to install ubuntu in a 1GB flash and 256MB RAM system..The system has no cd or dvd rom or internet connection. I made a live usb and PXE based architecture .But the issue is am not get any package selection mechanism while installing like in fedora. Is there any in ubuntu ? If so please help meTapojoy Chatterjee Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here. _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 27 12:25:45 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:25:45 -0300 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> Message-ID: <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> Pascal d'Hermilly wrote: > Dual booting is so last year ;-) > I've been using Virtualbox for several months now. It works great. > Virtualization is so much easier because you can work with both systems > at the same time. > like 768 MB ram. Me too, me too (I absolutely refuse to post just to say "Me too"). -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 27 12:30:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:30:24 -0300 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1259957.3R7Kd5gvz5@cedar.serverforest.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/3/26, Wagner Ferreira : >> >> It seems that you want the two systems working at the same machine. For >> this, you´ll have to partition your HD first, then install Vista, and >> after all install kubuntu in the empty partition. >> >> Did I understand what you want? > > I'm not sure he realy need to reinstall vista he could resize the > partition, make a new for kubuntu and install kubunto on that. > ntfsresize is one program to resize ntfs partitions. > As always it's a risk so be sure to backup all data before. Vista actually has the built-in ability to resize its own partition. It's not very good - on my 120GB drive, I couldn't manage to get it to use much less than half. Since I knew it only really needed 21GB (!!!), I ended up deleting it, repartitioning, and reinstalling from the rescue partition (so Vista is using 30GB of my drive, and I NEVER use it...) -- derek From teonimesic at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 12:41:15 2008 From: teonimesic at gmail.com (Stefano Diem) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:41:15 -0300 Subject: Sound problem on kubuntu 8.4b Message-ID: <7bed7c6d0803270541v446b5efdg897ffe13bbae19f1@mail.gmail.com> Well, i decided to go and upgrade for kubuntu 8.4b from 7.10. Everything else seems normal, except that i get no sound. Kmixer ain't able to find a mixer, and alsa gives function snd_ctl_open failed. Also, there is no /dev/mixer or /dev/snd directories. Some sound and soundcard info: >modinfo soundcore filename: /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-386/kernel/sound/soundcore.ko alias: char-major-14-* license: GPL author: Alan Cox description: Core sound module srcversion: 548AA54AF08207316C104F8 depends: vermagic: 2.6.24-12-386 mod_unload 486 >lscpi | grep audio 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce Audio Processing Unit (rev a2) 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) I really don't have a clue on how to fix this, if someone can give me a light a would appreciate it. Thanks, Stefano Diem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com Thu Mar 27 12:53:40 2008 From: wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com (Wagner Ferreira) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:53:40 -0300 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: I have a doubt about that. Does the windows installed inside the Virtualbox has the same access to printers, usb ports, cams, and another equipments tied to the machine? I have a little cyber-cafe in Brazil, using Linux and LTSP machines, and sometimes I need windows to access some cell phones, and use some softwares that aren't for linux :( What should be the better solution? A windows machine to be accessed remotely, or a Windows instalaltion inside Virtualbox? Tks,Wagner FerreiraInformática & Networking(11)7642-7980(11)8524-8764wagner.tec.inf at hotmail.com > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> From: news at pointerstop.ca> Subject: Re: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista?> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:25:45 -0300> > Pascal d'Hermilly wrote:> > > Dual booting is so last year ;-)> > I've been using Virtualbox for several months now. It works great.> > Virtualization is so much easier because you can work with both systems> > at the same time.> > like 768 MB ram.> > Me too, me too (I absolutely refuse to post just to say "Me too").> -- > derek> > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 27 13:28:50 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:28:50 -0300 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1563090.SQvOLAl3zB@cedar.serverforest.com> Wagner Ferreira wrote: > I have a doubt about that. > > Does the windows installed inside the Virtualbox has the same access to > printers, usb ports, cams, and another equipments tied to the machine? If you use Innotek's full version (rather than virtualbox-ose available in Ubuntu) you get access to the USB devices - other hardware is still likely to be problematic. > I > have a little cyber-cafe in Brazil, using Linux and LTSP machines, and > sometimes I need windows to access some cell phones, and use some > softwares that aren't for linux :( > > What should be the better solution? A windows machine to be accessed > remotely, or a Windows instalaltion inside Virtualbox? Only you can tell :-) I'd go with the VirtualBox solution myself, but I recognize that it might be easier for a cyber-cafe to just go with the flow and use Windows. -- derek From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Thu Mar 27 16:50:39 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:50:39 +0000 Subject: Web Hosting Message-ID: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> I already have set up one web site, mainly as a learning medium. Although I have used computers for years (and years and years) I did not have any experience of running a web site. Now that I have a better idea I am considering setting up another one where I can really get to grips with it all. I must keep the original one since friends and family know the URL and are now used to it. Mustn't confuse them. So, any suggestions anyone? Preferably one in the area. I know that that is not vital, just like to keep things local where I can. And one that will not be scared off by the word Linux. Thanks Neil Winchurst From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 27 17:05:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:05:19 -0300 Subject: Web Hosting References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I already have set up one web site, mainly as a learning medium. > Although I have used computers for years (and years and years) I did > not have any experience of running a web site. > > Now that I have a better idea I am considering setting up another one > where I can really get to grips with it all. I must keep the original > one since friends and family know the URL and are now used to it. > Mustn't confuse them. > > So, any suggestions anyone? Preferably one in the area. I know that > that is not vital, just like to keep things local where I can. And one > that will not be scared off by the word Linux. Er... If you want one "in the area", shouldn't you tell us what area that is? As for "must keep the original", unless it's got somebody else's domain name, you should still be able to move it to another site. -- derek From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 17:31:36 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:31:36 -0600 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47EBD9F8.2050504@gmail.com> Derek Broughton said the following at 03/27/2008 06:25 AM : > Pascal d'Hermilly wrote: > >> Dual booting is so last year ;-) >> I've been using Virtualbox for several months now. It works great. >> Virtualization is so much easier because you can work with both systems >> at the same time. >> like 768 MB ram. > > Me too, me too (I absolutely refuse to post just to say "Me too"). The problem with any virtualization solution (apart from the issue of a possible inability to access hardware, which probably is unlikely to affect me) is that I would have to use the pre-installed Vista as the host OS. Right there, that's enough for me not to consider it any more. If the computer had shipped with real Vista CDs, I probably would have tried a virtualization solution, but since I have only those silly "restore" discs, I wouldn't be able to have Kubuntu be the host OS and Vista the guest. So I think I'm pretty much stuck with dual booting. Oh, and in case anyone wonders why I asked the question in the first place, the last time I had to install a Linux distro to dual boot (with XP) it entailed something like the following: 1. Using knoppix to save the MBR 2. Repartitioning 3. Installing the distro 4. Restoring the saved MBR 5. Editing a Windows file called boot.ini One mis-step and one easily ended up with a box that could no longer boot Windows. I'm glad to discover that the process these days seems much simpler. Doc From neil at holsdev.vispa.com Thu Mar 27 17:41:53 2008 From: neil at holsdev.vispa.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:41:53 +0000 Subject: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20080327174153.3df486b7.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:05:19 -0300 Derek Broughton wrote: > > Er... If you want one "in the area", shouldn't you tell us what area that > is? Sorry, I was forgetting which list I was addressing. SW England, Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Somerset..... > > As for "must keep the original", unless it's got somebody else's domain > name, you should still be able to move it to another site. > -- Yes, I know I can move it across, but I have decided to have a second, completely separate domain for this new one. Neil From kassube at gmx.net Thu Mar 27 17:48:33 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:48:33 +0100 Subject: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Er... If you want one "in the area", shouldn't you tell us what area > that is? Not necessarily. As this is a global list, the area would be somewhere on earth - he just doesn't want recommendations for web hosting on Mars or Saturn. SCNR Nils From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 27 18:27:37 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:27:37 -0300 Subject: Web Hosting References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080327174153.3df486b7.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <5600049.6EhTWp6Q1O@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:05:19 -0300 > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> >> Er... If you want one "in the area", shouldn't you tell us what area >> that is? > Sorry, I was forgetting which list I was addressing. So I guess :-) > SW England, > Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Somerset..... > >> >> As for "must keep the original", unless it's got somebody else's domain >> name, you should still be able to move it to another site. >> -- > Yes, I know I can move it across, but I have decided to have a second, > completely separate domain for this new one. Even so, there's usually no need to host it separately. I'm hosting half a dozen different domains on this laptop ... (No, they're not generally available to the Internet - but they _could_ be). -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 27 18:35:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:35:54 -0300 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EBD9F8.2050504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5523525.dQdPibk7oy@cedar.serverforest.com> D. R. Evans wrote: >> Me too, me too (I absolutely refuse to post just to say "Me too"). > > The problem with any virtualization solution (apart from the issue of a > possible inability to access hardware, which probably is unlikely to > affect me) is that I would have to use the pre-installed Vista as the host > OS. Right there, that's enough for me not to consider it any more. Actually, probably no. If you have to use a pre-installed OS, it's probably an OEM version and can't be run in a virtual machine. > If the computer had shipped with real Vista CDs, I probably would have > tried a virtualization solution, but since I have only those silly > "restore" discs, I wouldn't be able to have Kubuntu be the host OS and > Vista the guest. Computers never ship with "real Vista [or any other Windows] CDs" these days. If you get CDs, they'll still be OEM-licensed - which means they test the hardware, and you can't even run it on a machine where you've upgraded the motherboard. ... > 1. Using knoppix to save the MBR > 2. Repartitioning > 3. Installing the distro > 4. Restoring the saved MBR > 5. Editing a Windows file called boot.ini > > One mis-step and one easily ended up with a box that could no longer boot It's never that hard - and never was, imo, and I've been dual-booting since the 90s. Repartitioning could be awkward if you wanted to save an existing Windows, but for a clean install it's: - partition - install Windows on partition 1 - install other OS on partition X - if it doesn't cleanly build a Grub boot config, start with a live CD and run "grub-install" (but that isn't necessary on any simple configuration) Even when I installed Corel Linux 1.0, it was able to detect a Windows partition and install LILO with the correct options. Your option (5) above indicates you were using the NT boot loader, which is just asking for trouble (btw, afaict, you can't edit boot.ini anymore unless you have the "Professional" edition of Vista) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 27 18:39:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:13 -0300 Subject: Web Hosting References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Er... If you want one "in the area", shouldn't you tell us what area >> that is? > > Not necessarily. As this is a global list, the area would be somewhere on > earth - he just doesn't want recommendations for web hosting on Mars or > Saturn. SCNR Well he did say he wants to support local business, and I think that's a bit more restrictive than the entire planet. But really, who'd suggest web hosting on Mars, let alone Saturn - can you imagine the latency problems? But on that note: will we have to start using domain names beginning with "sww." (or even "gww.") when the 'web moves off-planet? -- derek From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 19:03:31 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:03:31 -0600 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: <5523525.dQdPibk7oy@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EBD9F8.2050504@gmail.com> <5523525.dQdPibk7oy@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47EBEF83.30301@gmail.com> Derek Broughton said the following at 03/27/2008 12:35 PM : > D. R. Evans wrote: > >>> Me too, me too (I absolutely refuse to post just to say "Me too"). >> The problem with any virtualization solution (apart from the issue of a >> possible inability to access hardware, which probably is unlikely to >> affect me) is that I would have to use the pre-installed Vista as the host >> OS. Right there, that's enough for me not to consider it any more. > > Actually, probably no. If you have to use a pre-installed OS, it's probably > an OEM version and can't be run in a virtual machine. > Isn't that what I said? I would have to use the pre-installed OS as the host OS. So I can't use it as the guest. > > It's never that hard - and never was, imo, and I've been dual-booting since Well, let's just agree to disagree on that. > the 90s. Repartitioning could be awkward if you wanted to save an existing > Windows, but for a clean install it's: I never was permitted to do a clean install. (I was in a corpoate environment.) > Even when I installed Corel Linux 1.0, it was able to detect a Windows > partition and install LILO with the correct options. Your option (5) above > indicates you were using the NT boot loader, which is just asking for I was. I had no choice. Doc From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 27 19:48:23 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:48:23 -0300 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EBD9F8.2050504@gmail.com> <5523525.dQdPibk7oy@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EBEF83.30301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3384265.ASouscMzxz@cedar.serverforest.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > Derek Broughton said the following at 03/27/2008 12:35 PM : >> D. R. Evans wrote: >> >>>> Me too, me too (I absolutely refuse to post just to say "Me too"). >>> The problem with any virtualization solution (apart from the issue of a >>> possible inability to access hardware, which probably is unlikely to >>> affect me) is that I would have to use the pre-installed Vista as the >>> host OS. Right there, that's enough for me not to consider it any more. >> >> Actually, probably no. If you have to use a pre-installed OS, it's >> probably an OEM version and can't be run in a virtual machine. >> > > Isn't that what I said? I would have to use the pre-installed OS as the > host OS. So I can't use it as the guest. Uh, right. So you did :-) >> >> It's never that hard - and never was, imo, and I've been dual-booting >> since > > Well, let's just agree to disagree on that. > > >> the 90s. Repartitioning could be awkward if you wanted to save an >> existing Windows, but for a clean install it's: > > I never was permitted to do a clean install. (I was in a corpoate > environment.) In which case, it hasn't got any easier. If you're trying to install Linux onto an existing Windows install, can't reinstall Windows, and can't use a Linux bootloader, it's still a pain in the arse. -- derek From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 21:27:19 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:27:19 +0100 Subject: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: > > > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Er... If you want one "in the area", shouldn't you tell us what area > >> that is? > > > > Not necessarily. As this is a global list, the area would be somewhere on > > earth - he just doesn't want recommendations for web hosting on Mars or > > Saturn. SCNR > > Well he did say he wants to support local business, and I think that's a bit > more restrictive than the entire planet. But really, who'd suggest web > hosting on Mars, let alone Saturn - can you imagine the latency problems? > > But on that note: will we have to start using domain names beginning > with "sww." (or even "gww.") when the 'web moves off-planet? > -- > derek Just a fun idea but you could host it yourself. All you need is: Free DNS, I use them: http://www.dyndns.com/about/ but there are others. server, for a small computer lighttpd seems good. Maybe a database for fancy websites? Small one is sqlight Maybe you want something fancy for your site? Try Django to make a fancy website fast (you need to know a bit for this, mostly python). Want something bigger try postgreSQL with apache2 and Django. For both you want a firewall, heck everyone might do well to use one! Try firestarter. It is more a Gnome thing but it will work anyway and I think it is easy to use. Hint: open port 80 for in coming connections for your webserver and nothing else unless you know you need it. All this software (the fist set that is) is small, fast and light, you don't need a fast computer to make it work well for one persons needs, even big companies use this stuff sometimes. The advantages of hosting yourself are that it can be free, you own everything and you can test things out really fast. You have no real limits put on you about your site's size or scope or content. You can run your website on your computer without being on the net for building and testing. Most of the setup can be done just with a normal install. Disadvantages are that your site is only on when your computer is online. Your internet provider might not like it, but in many cases they don't really care (even if they say they do, your risk) if it is just you and a few friends hitting the site. You must do it all yourself which can be hard at first but there is lots of help on irc (I like to use KVirc). Have fun! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 21:47:09 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Interplanetary Internet In-Reply-To: <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <261654.96924.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Well he did say he wants to support local business, and I think that's a bit more restrictive than the entire planet. But really, who'd suggest web hosting on Mars, let alone Saturn - can you imagine the latency problems? > But on that note: will we have to start using domain names beginning with "sww." (or even "gww.") when the 'web moves off-planet? The Interplanetary Internet project has already been discussed in great detail. Here's the homepage for it: http://www.ipnsig.org/ Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From linux_milano at yahoo.it Thu Mar 27 22:15:44 2008 From: linux_milano at yahoo.it (Pol) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:15:44 +0100 Subject: more sessions within kdm session Message-ID: I would like a local user to start its own session, through ssh, within the kdm running session of another user. Both users are local. How should i start that script? Should i launch kdeinit, before the users applications? How to restore that user's session? how to save on exit? There will be differences in procedure between my current kde 3.5.8 and kde 4? Thank you for your help --- Pol From rrdokdoom at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 22:57:13 2008 From: rrdokdoom at gmail.com (Doug Stryjew) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:57:13 -0400 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P In-Reply-To: References: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1835a15a0803271557m3e8e0710neef3c16d4c81470c@mail.gmail.com> One thing I did leave out by mistake is that I use the nvidia-settings command to setup my xorg.conf for the Monitor. I've noticed as you will that it jumbles everything using poor tabiture. It is so unorthodox I feel like I should post the whole thing. Once again, thank you all for your assistance in this. I have not given up yet either and continue to research everyones ideas. Thank you # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings # nvidia-settings: version 1.0 (buildmeister at builder3) Wed Sep 12 14:30:30 PDT 2007 # xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section "ServerLayout" # Uncomment if you have a wacom tablet # InputDevice "stylus" "SendCoreEvents" # InputDevice "cursor" "SendCoreEvents" # InputDevice "eraser" "SendCoreEvents" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen 0 "Screen0" 1920 0 Screen 1 "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0" InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" InputDevice "Configured Mouse" InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" EndSection Section "Files" EndSection Section "Module" Load "glx" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "Xinerama" "1" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "stylus" Driver "wacom" Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom" Option "Type" "stylus" Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "eraser" Driver "wacom" Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom" Option "Type" "eraser" Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "cursor" Driver "wacom" Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom" Option "Type" "cursor" Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" HorizSync 28.0 - 96.0 VertRefresh 43.0 - 60.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "LEN" HorizSync 60.8 - 73.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 60.0 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor1" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Sceptre X24WG" HorizSync 31.5 - 80.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "nVidia Corporation G80 [Quadro FX 570M]" Driver "nvidia" Option "AddARGBVisuals" "True" Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" Option "NoLogo" "True" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName "Quadro FX 570M" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" Screen 0 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard1" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName "Quadro FX 570M" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" Screen 1 EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "nVidia Corporation G80 [Quadro FX 570M]" Monitor "Generic Monitor" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Modes "1920x1200" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 Option "TwinView" "0" Option "metamodes" "DFP: nvidia-auto-select +0+0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen1" Device "Videocard1" Monitor "Monitor1" DefaultDepth 24 Option "TwinView" "0" Option "metamodes" "CRT: 1920x1200_60 +0+0" EndSection On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/3/27, Doug Stryjew : > > Usually when you hear of resolution issues/problems you might think of > > typical problems. (ex.. I just installed and my pc/laptop won't use the > > proper resolution.) This is not the case here. First let me tell > everyone my > > specs. > > > > Video Card: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M > > > > Driver: nvidia driver, downloaded from restricted driver manager > > > > Machine: Thinkpad T61p > > > > Laptop Screen: 15.4" Wide Screen WUXGA (1920x1200) > > > > Secondary Monitor: SCEPTRE WX24 (1920x1200) > > > > OS: 32 bit Gutsy Kubuntu > > > > All of my repositories are updated. > > > > I'll keep this part simple as it doesn't play a huge role in this > problem. > > > > It is well documented that the T61P will not boot right off the start to > a > > working X. > > > > Before you log in you have to go into recovery mode and change the > > xorg.conf. By default it gives you the "nv" driver which simply will not > > work with this particular video card. According to many guides, > including > > thinkwiki's you have to change the driver to "vesa" in order to get X to > > start. I log in and everything is very tiny just like I wanted (And > expected > > using such a high resolution) Once I do that I update my repositories > and > > once that is complete I install the restricted "nvidia" driver. I check > my > > xorg.conf to verify the driver my card is using is "nvidia". > > > > I run glxinfo |grep ren > > > > And I have rendering. > > > > Here is my problem. When I power on I am prompted with a login screen > like > > usual. The second I enter my user credentials it's like everything just > gets > > a little bit bigger. A big notification is my mouse icon, it will be > very > > tiny but when I login the mouse gets a little bit bigger. When I open up > a > > terminal I do not expect it to take up over 1/4 of the screen. I know I > can > > change the font size of konsole as well as the whole scale of the > window. > > But it should not be this big. It should be very small. The monitor I > have > > plugged into the Thinkpad makes the applications look even bigger. The > weird > > part is both of these screens are displaying the proper resolution. I > have > > worked with xorg.conf resolution problems a lot. I know when the screen > > isn't displaying the right resolution. But even though the resolution is > set > > correctly, everything appears to be big. Not streched out, using the > wrong > > resolution big, but wow these windows very large. I have searched my > butt > > off trying to find an answer and asked everyone I know who uses kubuntu > with > > the nvidia driver (Which is a lot) and nobody seems to be able to offer > any > > help. I realize the problem and the description doesn't make much sense > and > > that is why it's hard to answer something you don't understand. But if I > had > > to boil it down to a very short description I would say this. > > > > While my resolution is correct, everything seems to be rather large. At > the > > login screen everything looks very nice and small. But the second I > enter my > > password and login it's like the screen magnifies. I haven't found any > > options in my nvidia-settings or kde window settings that described the > > option I want to change. Which is to make everything not so big. > > > > So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put > money > > the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong with my > > xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the wrong > > resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just > doesn't > > seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe to a > > mailing list and ask all of you. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > dok > > > > With the nvidia driver you can disable automatic settings of dpi and > set dpi manually. > Look into this options: > Option "UseEdidDpi" "false" > Option "DPI" "96 x 96" > > Have you checked your xorg log file? If you post it we can have a look. > > / Jonas > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Thu Mar 27 23:12:00 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:12:00 +0000 Subject: Interplanetary Internet In-Reply-To: <261654.96924.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <261654.96924.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803272312.00859.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Thursday 27 Mar 2008, cherryfinals wrote: > > Well he did say he wants to support local business, and I think > that's a bit more restrictive than the entire planet. But really, > who'd suggest web hosting on Mars, let alone Saturn - can you imagine > the latency problems? Just use the Sub-Ether wavebands :-) -- FACT - Millions of people worldwide continue to pay money to the richest person in the world to use his products, even though perfectly good software is given away completely free of charge by the open source community! I can't understand it either. Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 27 23:11:34 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:11:34 -0300 Subject: Web Hosting References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1969430.8OBVNU7BxU@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > Just a fun idea but you could host it yourself. All you need is: > Free DNS, I use them: http://www.dyndns.com/about/ > but there are others. > server, for a small computer lighttpd seems good. I'm going to hate myself in the morning, but I agree... I should explain :-) I live off-grid, so I don't actually have the resources to run a 24/7 server - either electricity or Internet access. And while I don't like the idea of anybody running any electrical device 24/7 because of the waste of energy, it's quite possible that a person running their own small and well-designed server can do it for less energy waste than some large hosting company (_they_ don't care about the resource use - they're going to bill their customers for it, anyway). > Maybe a database for fancy websites? Small one is sqlight lite, isn't it? I can't remember how many 'l's. > Maybe you want something fancy for your site? Try Django to make a > fancy website fast (you need to know a bit for this, mostly python). Plone. > Want something bigger try postgreSQL with apache2 and Django. Postgresql is not very big for what you get. I do a lot of SQL development, and I can't believe the difference between trying to do anything in Oracle and the same in Postgre. I am sure there are points at which Postgre becomes too small for the job, but it isn't anything I work with! > Disadvantages are that your site is only on when your computer is > online. Your internet provider might not like it, but in many cases > they don't really care (even if they say they do, your risk) if it is > just you and a few friends hitting the site. Yes. Some ISPs (my satellite provider included) can prevent you getting incoming connections, but the cable providers don't usually, and won't care as long as it isn't a high-bandwidth user or commercial. -- derek From rrdokdoom at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 23:17:10 2008 From: rrdokdoom at gmail.com (Doug Stryjew) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:17:10 -0400 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P In-Reply-To: <1835a15a0803271557m3e8e0710neef3c16d4c81470c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> <1835a15a0803271557m3e8e0710neef3c16d4c81470c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1835a15a0803271617w382c2299x7c2e405add148eb7@mail.gmail.com> On my login screen I switched over to my terminal and I saw: Loading, pleast wait . . . usplash: Setting mode 1920x1440 failed usplash: Using mode 1600x1200 Just from looking at my xorg I do not see any of those resolutions anywhere. To be sure I: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep 1920 and cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep 1440 Nothing. I did some searching and this appears to be a problem with the splash screen which I really don't care about. I ran: cat /etc/usplash.conf # Usplash configuration file xres=1920 yres=1920 Just from what I looked over this doesn't appear to have anything to do with anything outside of the splash screen. Which I really do not care about. Thought it was worth mentioning though. Thanks On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Doug Stryjew wrote: > One thing I did leave out by mistake is that I use the nvidia-settings > command to setup my xorg.conf for the Monitor. I've noticed as you will > that it jumbles everything using poor tabiture. It is so unorthodox I feel > like I should post the whole thing. Once again, thank you all for your > assistance in this. I have not given up yet either and continue to research > everyones ideas. > > Thank you > > # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings > # nvidia-settings: version 1.0 (buildmeister at builder3) Wed Sep 12 > 14:30:30 PDT 2007 > > # xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) > # > # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, > using > # values from the debconf database. > # > # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. > # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) > # > # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades > *only* > # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg > # package. > # > # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically > updated > # again, run the following command: > # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg > > Section "ServerLayout" > > # Uncomment if you have a wacom tablet > # InputDevice "stylus" "SendCoreEvents" > # InputDevice "cursor" "SendCoreEvents" > # InputDevice "eraser" "SendCoreEvents" > Identifier "Default Layout" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 1920 0 > Screen 1 "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0" > InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" > InputDevice "Configured Mouse" > InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" > EndSection > > Section "Files" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "glx" > EndSection > > Section "ServerFlags" > Option "Xinerama" "1" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Generic Keyboard" > Driver "kbd" > Option "CoreKeyboard" > Option "XkbRules" "xorg" > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > Option "XkbLayout" "us" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Configured Mouse" > Driver "mouse" > Option "CorePointer" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" > Driver "synaptics" > Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" > Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" > Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" > Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "stylus" > Driver "wacom" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom" > Option "Type" "stylus" > Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "eraser" > Driver "wacom" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom" > Option "Type" "eraser" > Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "cursor" > Driver "wacom" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom" > Option "Type" "cursor" > Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Generic Monitor" > HorizSync 28.0 - 96.0 > VertRefresh 43.0 - 60.0 > Option "DPMS" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Unknown" > ModelName "LEN" > HorizSync 60.8 - 73.0 > VertRefresh 50.0 - 60.0 > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor1" > VendorName "Unknown" > ModelName "Sceptre X24WG" > HorizSync 31.5 - 80.0 > VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "nVidia Corporation G80 [Quadro FX 570M]" > Driver "nvidia" > Option "AddARGBVisuals" "True" > Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" > Option "NoLogo" "True" > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard0" > Driver "nvidia" > VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" > BoardName "Quadro FX 570M" > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > Screen 0 > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard1" > Driver "nvidia" > VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" > BoardName "Quadro FX 570M" > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > Screen 1 > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Default Screen" > Device "nVidia Corporation G80 [Quadro FX 570M]" > Monitor "Generic Monitor" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Modes "1920x1200" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Videocard0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > DefaultDepth 24 > Option "TwinView" "0" > Option "metamodes" "DFP: nvidia-auto-select +0+0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen1" > Device "Videocard1" > Monitor "Monitor1" > DefaultDepth 24 > Option "TwinView" "0" > Option "metamodes" "CRT: 1920x1200_60 +0+0" > EndSection > > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Jonas Norlander > wrote: > > > 2008/3/27, Doug Stryjew : > > > Usually when you hear of resolution issues/problems you might think of > > > typical problems. (ex.. I just installed and my pc/laptop won't use > > the > > > proper resolution.) This is not the case here. First let me tell > > everyone my > > > specs. > > > > > > Video Card: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M > > > > > > Driver: nvidia driver, downloaded from restricted driver manager > > > > > > Machine: Thinkpad T61p > > > > > > Laptop Screen: 15.4" Wide Screen WUXGA (1920x1200) > > > > > > Secondary Monitor: SCEPTRE WX24 (1920x1200) > > > > > > OS: 32 bit Gutsy Kubuntu > > > > > > All of my repositories are updated. > > > > > > I'll keep this part simple as it doesn't play a huge role in this > > problem. > > > > > > It is well documented that the T61P will not boot right off the start > > to a > > > working X. > > > > > > Before you log in you have to go into recovery mode and change the > > > xorg.conf. By default it gives you the "nv" driver which simply will > > not > > > work with this particular video card. According to many guides, > > including > > > thinkwiki's you have to change the driver to "vesa" in order to get X > > to > > > start. I log in and everything is very tiny just like I wanted (And > > expected > > > using such a high resolution) Once I do that I update my repositories > > and > > > once that is complete I install the restricted "nvidia" driver. I > > check my > > > xorg.conf to verify the driver my card is using is "nvidia". > > > > > > I run glxinfo |grep ren > > > > > > And I have rendering. > > > > > > Here is my problem. When I power on I am prompted with a login screen > > like > > > usual. The second I enter my user credentials it's like everything > > just gets > > > a little bit bigger. A big notification is my mouse icon, it will be > > very > > > tiny but when I login the mouse gets a little bit bigger. When I open > > up a > > > terminal I do not expect it to take up over 1/4 of the screen. I know > > I can > > > change the font size of konsole as well as the whole scale of the > > window. > > > But it should not be this big. It should be very small. The monitor I > > have > > > plugged into the Thinkpad makes the applications look even bigger. The > > weird > > > part is both of these screens are displaying the proper resolution. I > > have > > > worked with xorg.conf resolution problems a lot. I know when the > > screen > > > isn't displaying the right resolution. But even though the resolution > > is set > > > correctly, everything appears to be big. Not streched out, using the > > wrong > > > resolution big, but wow these windows very large. I have searched my > > butt > > > off trying to find an answer and asked everyone I know who uses > > kubuntu with > > > the nvidia driver (Which is a lot) and nobody seems to be able to > > offer any > > > help. I realize the problem and the description doesn't make much > > sense and > > > that is why it's hard to answer something you don't understand. But if > > I had > > > to boil it down to a very short description I would say this. > > > > > > While my resolution is correct, everything seems to be rather large. > > At the > > > login screen everything looks very nice and small. But the second I > > enter my > > > password and login it's like the screen magnifies. I haven't found any > > > options in my nvidia-settings or kde window settings that described > > the > > > option I want to change. Which is to make everything not so big. > > > > > > So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put > > money > > > the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong with > > my > > > xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the wrong > > > resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just > > doesn't > > > seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe to > > a > > > mailing list and ask all of you. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > dok > > > > > > > With the nvidia driver you can disable automatic settings of dpi and > > set dpi manually. > > Look into this options: > > Option "UseEdidDpi" "false" > > Option "DPI" "96 x 96" > > > > Have you checked your xorg log file? If you post it we can have a look. > > > > / Jonas > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Mar 27 23:13:07 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:13:07 -0300 Subject: Interplanetary Internet References: <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> <261654.96924.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3076330.FdeexHTN2e@cedar.serverforest.com> cherryfinals wrote: >> Well he did say he wants to support local business, and I think > that's a bit more restrictive than the entire planet. But really, > who'd suggest web hosting on Mars, let alone Saturn - can you imagine > the latency problems? >> But on that note: will we have to start using domain names beginning > with "sww." (or even "gww.") when the 'web moves off-planet? > > The Interplanetary Internet project has already been discussed in great > detail. Here's the homepage for it: > > http://www.ipnsig.org/ Well, they do say there's nothing new under the sun. I should have known :-) -- derek From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 23:27:31 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:27:31 +0100 Subject: more sessions within kdm session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/3/27, Pol : > I would like a local user to start its own session, through ssh, within the > kdm running session of another user. Both users are local. > How should i start that script? Should i launch kdeinit, before the users > applications? > How to restore that user's session? how to save on exit? > > There will be differences in procedure between my current kde 3.5.8 and kde > 4? > > Thank you for your help > > --- > Pol > I probably don't understand you but why would you start a session through ssh on the same computer? You can tunnel X through ssh but i don't see the point to do that if both has fysical access to the computer. Try to explain more what you want to do. / Jonas From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Mar 28 00:39:31 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:39:31 -0600 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: <47EBEF83.30301@gmail.com> References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EBD9F8.2050504@gmail.com> <5523525.dQdPibk7oy@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EBEF83.30301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EC3E43.3070800@swbell.net> Is there a specific reason you need Vista? I know that seems like a stupid question but IMHO someone needs to ask. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 00:08:21 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:08:21 -0600 Subject: ndiswrapper questions Message-ID: <47EC36F5.7020805@gmail.com> So... Having got gutsy installed on my new laptop, I found that it wasn't seeing the wireless. After a lot of googling and trying things, I discovered that the wifi device is a Realtek RTL8187B, which is not a supported device in the gutsy kernel. So I: 1. downloaded the WinXP driver for the device from ftp://202.65.194.212/cn/wlan (it's the file RTL8187B_driver_only.zip 2. Unzipping that file produces a bunch of directories, the WinXP one of which contains the net8187b.inf file. 3. I installed that with the command: ndiswrapper -i net8187b.inf 4. That created the expected /etc/ndiswrapper/net8187b directory; everything seemed to go fine. 5. I checked the devid of the chip with "lsusb", and the response was that the devid was 0bda:8197. 6. I executed: ndiswrapper -a 0bda:8197 net8187b. 7. That seemed to execute fine. 8. So now what? How do I actually access and/or configure the wifi network? In fact, how do I even find out that everything really has installed correctly? Doc PS This took me all afternoon :-( But I *think* it was all the right things to do. From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 01:05:51 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:05:51 -0600 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: <47EC3E43.3070800@swbell.net> References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EBD9F8.2050504@gmail.com> <5523525.dQdPibk7oy@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EBEF83.30301@gmail.com> <47EC3E43.3070800@swbell.net> Message-ID: <47EC446F.80503@gmail.com> Billie Walsh said the following at 03/27/2008 06:39 PM : > Is there a specific reason you need Vista? > > I know that seems like a stupid question but IMHO someone needs to ask. > Yes :-) At least, there's a good reason I need some version of Windows, and I don't have CDs for anything later than Win98. There are some programs for which there are no good Linux equivalents (yet). And I have experienced problems with Linux laptops in some hotels. And sometimes, it's just not worth arguing with people and is just much easier to boot into an OS to which one knows they can't simply say "Linux? We don't support that". I don't honestly expect to use Windows much. But it's nice to have it there. Especially since I've paid for the piece of junk. Especially since I've just spent the entire afternoon trying to get wireless working under Linux, and still not succeeded (although I think I'm close). Doc From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Mar 28 01:23:07 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ndiswrapper questions Message-ID: <280193.12381.qm@web83723.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: D. R. Evans To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:08:21 PM Subject: ndiswrapper questions So... Having got gutsy installed on my new laptop, I found that it wasn't seeing the wireless. After a lot of googling and trying things, I discovered that the wifi device is a Realtek RTL8187B, which is not a supported device in the gutsy kernel. So I: 1. downloaded the WinXP driver for the device from ftp://202.65.194.212/cn/wlan (it's the file RTL8187B_driver_only.zip 2. Unzipping that file produces a bunch of directories, the WinXP one of which contains the net8187b.inf file. 3. I installed that with the command: ndiswrapper -i net8187b.inf 4. That created the expected /etc/ndiswrapper/net8187b directory; everything seemed to go fine. 5. I checked the devid of the chip with "lsusb", and the response was that the devid was 0bda:8197. 6. I executed: ndiswrapper -a 0bda:8197 net8187b. what does ndiswrapper -l report? if it says driver: hardware present or something very similar, you should be good to go. now you need to do: sudo depmod -a sudo modprobe ndiswrapper (at this point your light for your wireless should come on If you haven't already got to this point) 8. So now what? How do I actually access and/or configure the wifi network? you should be able to go into the control pannel and configure your wireless card and connection. In fact, how do I even find out that everything really has installed correctly? to find out use the command ndiswrapper -l (like I mentioned above you should get driver:net8187b hardware present.) PS: To get a list of commands for ndiswrapper just type ndiswrapper -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 01:40:10 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:40:10 -0600 Subject: ndiswrapper questions In-Reply-To: <280193.12381.qm@web83723.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <280193.12381.qm@web83723.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47EC4C7A.6090100@gmail.com> David McGlone said the following at 03/27/2008 07:23 PM : > 6. I executed: > ndiswrapper -a 0bda:8197 net8187b. > > what does ndiswrapper -l report? > > if it says driver: hardware present or something very similar, you should be good to go. yes, it reports that. > > now you need to do: > > sudo depmod -a > sudo modprobe ndiswrapper (at this point your light for your wireless should come on If you haven't already got to this point) > > I did those. Yes, the light is on. I can do an "ifconfig -a" and I now see an entry labelled "wlan0", but I don't know what to do to actually use it. > 8. So now what? How do I actually access and/or configure the wifi network? > > you should be able to go into the control pannel and configure your wireless card and connection. > Can you give me some details, please? I'm probably being incredibly dense, but it's simply not at all obvious to me where I should be looking, nor what I should do when I find it. (I'm sure you can tell, this is the first time I've tried to use wifi with Kubuntu.) > In fact, how do I even find out that everything really has installed correctly? > > to find out use the command ndiswrapper -l (like I mentioned above you should get driver:net8187b hardware present.) > > PS: To get a list of commands for ndiswrapper just type ndiswrapper Yes, I understand all the ndiswrapper stuff, and that all looks like it worked. It's the NEXT step where I don't have a clue what to do. Googling wasn't any help either; basically everything I found said things like "configure the interface" without suggesting how one might do that. I tried firing up kwifimanager, but that seemed to think I was in ad-hoc mode, which I'm not, and even though scanning found my two wlans, I couldn't figure out how to actually connect to one of them. I also tried ifdown and ifup: ifdown complained that wlan0 wasn't configured, and ifup said "ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0". I'm really flailing around here :-( It seems like the next step has to be to connect wlan0 to an actual wlan, but I can't find the magic command to do that :-( Doc From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Mar 28 02:20:53 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ndiswrapper questions Message-ID: <356656.186.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: D. R. Evans To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:40:10 PM Subject: Re: ndiswrapper questions David McGlone said the following at 03/27/2008 07:23 PM : > 6. I executed: > ndiswrapper -a 0bda:8197 net8187b. > > what does ndiswrapper -l report? > > if it says driver: hardware present or something very similar, you should be good to go. yes, it reports that. > > now you need to do: > > sudo depmod -a > sudo modprobe ndiswrapper (at this point your light for your wireless should come on If you haven't already got to this point) > > I did those. Yes, the light is on. I can do an "ifconfig -a" and I now see an entry labelled "wlan0", but I don't know what to do to actually use it. > 8. So now what? How do I actually access and/or configure the wifi network? > > you should be able to go into the control pannel and configure your wireless card and connection. > Can you give me some details, please? I'm probably being incredibly dense, but it's simply not at all obvious to me where I should be looking, nor what I should do when I find it. Ok have you tried using the "network" icon in the control center? Go in there and you should see your wlan0 card along with your eth0 card. Click on the wlan0 card and edit it, you will need to add your SSID and if you are using security then add your security information. Don't forget to add your gateway on the next tab and change the dropdown to wlan0 If this don't help, tomorrow when I get home, I will get on my linux box and describe everything in better detail. Right now I don't have my linux box available to give you better detail, but I'm trying to help you to the best of my memory. By the way, I could never connect using the password in text, I always had to use the hex key. I hope this helps for the time being, if you don't figure it out by tomorrow morning, I will try and walk you through it step by step. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 02:29:52 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:29:52 -0600 Subject: ndiswrapper questions In-Reply-To: <47EC4C7A.6090100@gmail.com> References: <280193.12381.qm@web83723.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <47EC4C7A.6090100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EC5820.8020800@gmail.com> Incidentally, even though I have done an "ndiswrapper -m" (and it says that the alias exists), on a reboot I still have to execute "modprobe ndiswrapper" in order to see the wlan0 interface when I do an "ifconfig -a". I don't know if that's useful information. It sure would be nice (assuming I ever get this thing working) to understand why the "ndiswrapper -m" isn't having the expected effect. Doc From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Mar 28 02:36:12 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:36:12 -0500 Subject: Sound problem on kubuntu 8.4b In-Reply-To: <7bed7c6d0803270541v446b5efdg897ffe13bbae19f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bed7c6d0803270541v446b5efdg897ffe13bbae19f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803272236.12551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 27 March 2008, Stefano Diem wrote: > Kmixer ain't able to find a mixer, and alsa gives function snd_ctl_open > Also, there is no /dev/mixer or /dev/snd directories. Sounds like: a) ALSA modules aren't loading b) something ugly is happening with udev What do you get from lsmod|grep snd? -- D. Michael McIntyre From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 03:07:17 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:07:17 -0600 Subject: ndiswrapper questions In-Reply-To: <356656.186.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <356656.186.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47EC60E5.4030207@gmail.com> David McGlone said the following at 03/27/2008 08:20 PM : > > Ok have you tried using the "network" icon in the control center? Go in there and you should see your wlan0 > card along with your eth0 card. Click on the wlan0 card and edit it, you will need to add your SSID and if you are > using security then add your security information. Don't forget to add your gateway on the next tab and change the dropdown to wlan0 > > If this don't help, tomorrow when I get home, I will get on my linux box and describe everything in better detail. > Right now I don't have my linux box available to give you better detail, but I'm trying to help you to the best of my > memory. By the way, I could never connect using the password in text, I always had to use the hex key. > > I hope this helps for the time being, if you don't figure it out by tomorrow morning, I will try and walk you > through it step by step. > YAY!!!!! I got it working. Thank you so much for your assistance. This one was a real bear (I guess I'm too used to things Just Working these days in Linux). I don't know how much of this was necessary, but what I did: 1. In KWifiManager, in Settings | Configuration Editor, I entered the SSID and the interface name (wlan0) in the Config1 tab, and checked "Load preset configuration on startup". (I suspect that is will cause me a problem when I roam, though, so maybe I should not have done this.) 2. In System Settings | Network Settings, I set the interface to use Automatic and dhcp, told it to activate when the computer starts, and gave it the ESSID of my network. Again, I'm not sure what's going to happen when I roam, but at least it works here at home. The only thing (at least, I think it's the only thing) that isn't working right now is that when I do a "Scan for Networks", I see both my home WLANs, but trying to switch to either of them by pressing the "Switch to Network..." button seems to completely disconnect me and never reconnect me to anything. (When I press the "Switch to Network..." button, the KWifiManager says that the system has switched to Ad-Hoc mode, so it doesn't look for (or acquire) a WAP. I can't find any way to stop it switching to Ad-Hoc mode.) Doc From nadreck at palain.com Fri Mar 28 03:38:24 2008 From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:38:24 -0400 Subject: Scan for wireless networks Message-ID: <47EC6830.4040000@palain.com> How do I scan for wireless networks? I know my wireless works because someone in my local set it up to connect to the network at the local community college where we meet, and that always works just fine. But I don't know how tp find the networks at places like coffee shops that I know offer wireless connections. Thank you, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL nadreck at palain.com Linux User #333216 "To acquire immunity to eloquence is of the utmost importance to the citizens of a democracy." -- Bertrand Russell From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Mar 28 03:46:12 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:46:12 -0500 Subject: Scan for wireless networks In-Reply-To: <47EC6830.4040000@palain.com> References: <47EC6830.4040000@palain.com> Message-ID: <200803272346.12306.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Thursday 27 March 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > How do I scan for wireless networks? Look in the system tray. You should see a little icon with bars on it showing the strength of your current connection. My laptop is in my sleeping son's room so I'm not going to go dig it out to walk you through the process, but if you click on it somehow you can get to a bit where it shows you what's out there. Just like the same kind of little icon deal in Winders. -- D. Michael McIntyre From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Fri Mar 28 03:46:40 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:46:40 -0400 Subject: Scan for wireless networks In-Reply-To: <47EC6830.4040000@palain.com> Message-ID: On 3/27/08 11:38 PM, "Kevin B. O'Brien" wrote: > How do I scan for wireless networks? I know my wireless works because > someone in my local set it up to connect to the network at the local > community college where we meet, and that always works just fine. But I > don't know how tp find the networks at places like coffee shops that I > know offer wireless connections. > > Thank you, iwlist scan From rrdokdoom at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 03:55:46 2008 From: rrdokdoom at gmail.com (Doug Stryjew) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:55:46 -0400 Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P In-Reply-To: <1835a15a0803271617w382c2299x7c2e405add148eb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da@mail.gmail.com> <1835a15a0803271557m3e8e0710neef3c16d4c81470c@mail.gmail.com> <1835a15a0803271617w382c2299x7c2e405add148eb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1835a15a0803272055t7407dbdfs72ebcb900a8d6dd0@mail.gmail.com> **Resolved** When logging in my nothing seems to magnify. To fix this I: K Menu --> System Settings --> Appearance --> Fonts --> The very last option is a drop down box Force fonts DPI: By default it was set to "disabled" I had to other choices. 96 DPI and 120 DPI Using 96 DPI everything was very crisp and almost hard to see. I tried 120 and it was actually in between being to small or to large. Still a little bigger than I wanted. Using 96 DPI it is perfect. Thank you. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Doug Stryjew wrote: > On my login screen I switched over to my terminal and I saw: > > Loading, pleast wait . . . > usplash: Setting mode 1920x1440 failed > usplash: Using mode 1600x1200 > > Just from looking at my xorg I do not see any of those resolutions > anywhere. To be sure I: > > cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep 1920 > and > cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep 1440 > > Nothing. > > I did some searching and this appears to be a problem with the splash > screen which I really don't care about. I ran: > > cat /etc/usplash.conf > > # Usplash configuration file > xres=1920 > yres=1920 > > Just from what I looked over this doesn't appear to have anything to do > with anything outside of the splash screen. Which I really do not care > about. Thought it was worth mentioning though. > > Thanks > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Doug Stryjew wrote: > > > One thing I did leave out by mistake is that I use the nvidia-settings > > command to setup my xorg.conf for the Monitor. I've noticed as you will > > that it jumbles everything using poor tabiture. It is so unorthodox I feel > > like I should post the whole thing. Once again, thank you all for your > > assistance in this. I have not given up yet either and continue to research > > everyones ideas. > > > > Thank you > > > > # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings > > # nvidia-settings: version 1.0 (buildmeister at builder3) Wed Sep 12 > > 14:30:30 PDT 2007 > > > > # xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) > > # > > # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, > > using > > # values from the debconf database. > > # > > # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. > > # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) > > # > > # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades > > *only* > > # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg > > # package. > > # > > # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically > > updated > > # again, run the following command: > > # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg > > > > Section "ServerLayout" > > > > # Uncomment if you have a wacom tablet > > # InputDevice "stylus" "SendCoreEvents" > > # InputDevice "cursor" "SendCoreEvents" > > # InputDevice "eraser" "SendCoreEvents" > > Identifier "Default Layout" > > Screen 0 "Screen0" 1920 0 > > Screen 1 "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0" > > InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" > > InputDevice "Configured Mouse" > > InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" > > EndSection > > > > Section "Files" > > EndSection > > > > Section "Module" > > Load "glx" > > EndSection > > > > Section "ServerFlags" > > Option "Xinerama" "1" > > EndSection > > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "Generic Keyboard" > > Driver "kbd" > > Option "CoreKeyboard" > > Option "XkbRules" "xorg" > > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > > Option "XkbLayout" "us" > > EndSection > > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "Configured Mouse" > > Driver "mouse" > > Option "CorePointer" > > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > > Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" > > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" > > EndSection > > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" > > Driver "synaptics" > > Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" > > Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" > > Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" > > Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0" > > EndSection > > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "stylus" > > Driver "wacom" > > Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom" > > Option "Type" "stylus" > > Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY > > EndSection > > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "eraser" > > Driver "wacom" > > Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom" > > Option "Type" "eraser" > > Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY > > EndSection > > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "cursor" > > Driver "wacom" > > Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom" > > Option "Type" "cursor" > > Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY > > EndSection > > > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "Generic Monitor" > > HorizSync 28.0 - 96.0 > > VertRefresh 43.0 - 60.0 > > Option "DPMS" > > EndSection > > > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "Monitor0" > > VendorName "Unknown" > > ModelName "LEN" > > HorizSync 60.8 - 73.0 > > VertRefresh 50.0 - 60.0 > > EndSection > > > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "Monitor1" > > VendorName "Unknown" > > ModelName "Sceptre X24WG" > > HorizSync 31.5 - 80.0 > > VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 > > EndSection > > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "nVidia Corporation G80 [Quadro FX 570M]" > > Driver "nvidia" > > Option "AddARGBVisuals" "True" > > Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" > > Option "NoLogo" "True" > > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > > EndSection > > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "Videocard0" > > Driver "nvidia" > > VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" > > BoardName "Quadro FX 570M" > > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > > Screen 0 > > EndSection > > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "Videocard1" > > Driver "nvidia" > > VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" > > BoardName "Quadro FX 570M" > > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > > Screen 1 > > EndSection > > > > Section "Screen" > > Identifier "Default Screen" > > Device "nVidia Corporation G80 [Quadro FX 570M]" > > Monitor "Generic Monitor" > > DefaultDepth 24 > > SubSection "Display" > > Modes "1920x1200" > > EndSubSection > > EndSection > > > > Section "Screen" > > Identifier "Screen0" > > Device "Videocard0" > > Monitor "Monitor0" > > DefaultDepth 24 > > Option "TwinView" "0" > > Option "metamodes" "DFP: nvidia-auto-select +0+0" > > EndSection > > > > Section "Screen" > > Identifier "Screen1" > > Device "Videocard1" > > Monitor "Monitor1" > > DefaultDepth 24 > > Option "TwinView" "0" > > Option "metamodes" "CRT: 1920x1200_60 +0+0" > > EndSection > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Jonas Norlander > > wrote: > > > > > 2008/3/27, Doug Stryjew : > > > > Usually when you hear of resolution issues/problems you might think > > > of > > > > typical problems. (ex.. I just installed and my pc/laptop won't use > > > the > > > > proper resolution.) This is not the case here. First let me tell > > > everyone my > > > > specs. > > > > > > > > Video Card: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M > > > > > > > > Driver: nvidia driver, downloaded from restricted driver manager > > > > > > > > Machine: Thinkpad T61p > > > > > > > > Laptop Screen: 15.4" Wide Screen WUXGA (1920x1200) > > > > > > > > Secondary Monitor: SCEPTRE WX24 (1920x1200) > > > > > > > > OS: 32 bit Gutsy Kubuntu > > > > > > > > All of my repositories are updated. > > > > > > > > I'll keep this part simple as it doesn't play a huge role in this > > > problem. > > > > > > > > It is well documented that the T61P will not boot right off the > > > start to a > > > > working X. > > > > > > > > Before you log in you have to go into recovery mode and change the > > > > xorg.conf. By default it gives you the "nv" driver which simply will > > > not > > > > work with this particular video card. According to many guides, > > > including > > > > thinkwiki's you have to change the driver to "vesa" in order to get > > > X to > > > > start. I log in and everything is very tiny just like I wanted (And > > > expected > > > > using such a high resolution) Once I do that I update my > > > repositories and > > > > once that is complete I install the restricted "nvidia" driver. I > > > check my > > > > xorg.conf to verify the driver my card is using is "nvidia". > > > > > > > > I run glxinfo |grep ren > > > > > > > > And I have rendering. > > > > > > > > Here is my problem. When I power on I am prompted with a login > > > screen like > > > > usual. The second I enter my user credentials it's like everything > > > just gets > > > > a little bit bigger. A big notification is my mouse icon, it will be > > > very > > > > tiny but when I login the mouse gets a little bit bigger. When I > > > open up a > > > > terminal I do not expect it to take up over 1/4 of the screen. I > > > know I can > > > > change the font size of konsole as well as the whole scale of the > > > window. > > > > But it should not be this big. It should be very small. The monitor > > > I have > > > > plugged into the Thinkpad makes the applications look even bigger. > > > The weird > > > > part is both of these screens are displaying the proper resolution. > > > I have > > > > worked with xorg.conf resolution problems a lot. I know when the > > > screen > > > > isn't displaying the right resolution. But even though the > > > resolution is set > > > > correctly, everything appears to be big. Not streched out, using the > > > wrong > > > > resolution big, but wow these windows very large. I have searched my > > > butt > > > > off trying to find an answer and asked everyone I know who uses > > > kubuntu with > > > > the nvidia driver (Which is a lot) and nobody seems to be able to > > > offer any > > > > help. I realize the problem and the description doesn't make much > > > sense and > > > > that is why it's hard to answer something you don't understand. But > > > if I had > > > > to boil it down to a very short description I would say this. > > > > > > > > While my resolution is correct, everything seems to be rather large. > > > At the > > > > login screen everything looks very nice and small. But the second I > > > enter my > > > > password and login it's like the screen magnifies. I haven't found > > > any > > > > options in my nvidia-settings or kde window settings that described > > > the > > > > option I want to change. Which is to make everything not so big. > > > > > > > > So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put > > > money > > > > the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong > > > with my > > > > xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the > > > wrong > > > > resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just > > > doesn't > > > > seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe > > > to a > > > > mailing list and ask all of you. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > dok > > > > > > > > > > With the nvidia driver you can disable automatic settings of dpi and > > > set dpi manually. > > > Look into this options: > > > Option "UseEdidDpi" "false" > > > Option "DPI" "96 x 96" > > > > > > Have you checked your xorg log file? If you post it we can have a > > > look. > > > > > > / Jonas > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Mar 28 05:03:44 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:03:44 -0600 Subject: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? In-Reply-To: <47EC446F.80503@gmail.com> References: <47EAB570.2090905@gmail.com> <47EACC5B.2010701@bmts.com> <47EAD2C3.2070406@tipisoft.dk> <1606109.nQAZT1OU93@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EBD9F8.2050504@gmail.com> <5523525.dQdPibk7oy@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EBEF83.30301@gmail.com> <47EC3E43.3070800@swbell.net> <47EC446F.80503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EC7C30.7010402@swbell.net> D. R. Evans wrote: > Billie Walsh said the following at 03/27/2008 06:39 PM : > >> Is there a specific reason you need Vista? >> >> I know that seems like a stupid question but IMHO someone needs to ask. >> >> > > Yes :-) At least, there's a good reason I need some version of Windows, and > I don't have CDs for anything later than Win98. > eBay has XP Home from about $50 and up. If your lucky you might even find one cheaper. I'm not sure what the exchange rate is but.................. > There are some programs for which there are no good Linux equivalents > (yet). And I have experienced problems with Linux laptops in some hotels. > I can sympathize. I keep it around for the very same reason. I have a couple pieces of software that I need periodically and........... > And sometimes, it's just not worth arguing with people and is just much > easier to boot into an OS to which one knows they can't simply say "Linux? > We don't support that". > Chances are WAY better than 99% that it won't be a Linux problem. Just an excuse. > I don't honestly expect to use Windows much. But it's nice to have it > there. Especially since I've paid for the piece of junk. > > Especially since I've just spent the entire afternoon trying to get > wireless working under Linux, and still not succeeded (although I think I'm > close). > Again, I can sympathize. > Doc > > > -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From linux_milano at yahoo.it Fri Mar 28 07:38:42 2008 From: linux_milano at yahoo.it (Pol) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:38:42 +0100 Subject: more sessions within kdm session References: Message-ID: Jonas Norlander wrote: > I probably don't understand you but why would you start a session through > ssh on the same computer? You can tunnel X through ssh but i don't see Just because my long term plan is to use the same procedure to open remote sessions. best -- Pol From lanzenesi at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 08:25:41 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:25:41 +0100 Subject: ndiswrapper questions In-Reply-To: <47EC60E5.4030207@gmail.com> References: <356656.186.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <47EC60E5.4030207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803280925.41219.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Friday 28 March 2008 04:07:17 D. R. Evans wrote: > YAY!!!!! > > I got it working. Good! Now just don't update to hardy until they fix it or you'll be in for trouble. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ndiswrapper/+bug/194714 > 1. In KWifiManager, in Settings | Configuration Editor, I entered the SSID. > [...] (I suspect that is will cause me a problem when I roam, though, so > maybe I should not have done this.) I might have missed some bits and pieces on the precious posts, but didn't knetwork-manager show you wireless by just clicking on the icon in the tray? > The only thing (at least, I think it's the only thing) that isn't working > right now is that when I do a "Scan for Networks", I see both my home > WLANs, but trying to switch to either of them by pressing the "Switch to > Network..." button seems to completely disconnect me and never reconnect me > to anything. (When I press the "Switch to Network..." button, the > KWifiManager says that the system has switched to Ad-Hoc mode, so it > doesn't look for (or acquire) a WAP. I can't find any way to stop it > switching to Ad-Hoc mode.) Well, I can only talk of (k)nm as I haven't tried KWifiManager. In Gutsy just clicking on another network does the trick provided you own a key if encrypted, of course. -- lanzen From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 09:48:27 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:48:27 +0300 Subject: Which media format to stream? Message-ID: <880dece00803280248g3573e38k89d4ef0e07595874@mail.gmail.com> This free webradio broadcast offers three streaming formats: http://www.chronixradio.com/cxrmetal/listen/index.php They are Microsoft (.asx), Real (.ram), and iTunes (.pls again). Which is best if I like to listen in Amarok? Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 10:47:29 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:47:29 +0100 Subject: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1969430.8OBVNU7BxU@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> <1969430.8OBVNU7BxU@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: > I'm going to hate myself in the morning, but I agree... > > I should explain :-) I live off-grid, so I don't actually have the > resources to run a 24/7 server - either electricity or Internet access. Can't say much about your internet access but even off the grid you can run a lap top off some batteries and a solar panel! :-) Power consumption is really low with laptops and you don't need a new fancy one to run a little server. > And while I don't like the idea of anybody running any electrical device > 24/7 because of the waste of energy, it's quite possible that a person > running their own small and well-designed server can do it for less energy > waste than some large hosting company (_they_ don't care about the resource > use - they're going to bill their customers for it, anyway). > > > > Maybe a database for fancy websites? Small one is sqlight > > lite, isn't it? I can't remember how many 'l's. I can't spell, Here is a link to wiki about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQLite. Note that it is less that 500K > > Maybe you want something fancy for your site? Try Django to make a > > fancy website fast (you need to know a bit for this, mostly python). > > Plone. Why Plone over Django? This is not my area of expertise but I understood Plone to take more time to learn to use plus knowledge of Zope on top of python. > > > > Want something bigger try postgreSQL with apache2 and Django. > > Postgresql is not very big for what you get. I do a lot of SQL development, > and I can't believe the difference between trying to do anything in Oracle > and the same in Postgre. Can you say more about this? What is the difference that you have seen? I have never used Oracle but I would like to hear about it and the why of what you are saying. I am sure there are points at which Postgre > becomes too small for the job, but it isn't anything I work with! I don't know what you would have to be doing to overload PostgreSQL. On the other side of this, it is nowhere near as light as Sqlite. Of course Sqlite does not have the power of PostgreSQL but most user sites (I would ever say most pro sites) don't need that power and they do need the memory and CPU time. >From the Sqlite website, "Website Database. Because it requires no configuration and stores information in ordinary disk files, SQLite is a popular choice as the database to back small to medium-sized websites." Note that they don't say large websites. Before you need the rest of this, keep in mind that all the tests I could find on the web were out of date often within the test the software tested was from different years! We all know how much a distro can change in a one year! Think about that with some of these tests between software that is 2 years out of sink! I thought this was telling and humorous about PostgreSQL vs Oracle. Note that Oracle was stated to run 15% faster in this test but the hardware was hard to compare. Price includes hardware and software but not the team that tuned the test. "So effectively, you can still get slightly better performance by using Oracle on commodity hardware. You just pay $120,000 to gain an incremental amount of performance. But then, you already knew that, didn't you?" SNIP " And it's not enough for us to be "almost as fast as Oracle", we plan to be faster, possibly starting with PostgreSQL 8.3 and with the Niagara2." PG vs new PG http://www.kaltenbrunner.cc/blog/index.php?/archives/21-8.3-vs.-8.2-a-simple-benchmark.html To sum this all up and state what I see: Best for complex big system databases in order first being best. Oracle, PostgreSQL, Mysql, SQlite Best for simple uses and really high speed uses. SQlite, Mysql, PostgrSQL, Oracle. Last note: Oracle is really expansive and needs special hardware and might not be faster than PostGreSQL now. > > Disadvantages are that your site is only on when your computer is > > online. Your internet provider might not like it, but in many cases > > they don't really care (even if they say they do, your risk) if it is > > just you and a few friends hitting the site. > > Yes. Some ISPs (my satellite provider included) can prevent you getting > incoming connections, but the cable providers don't usually, and won't care > as long as it isn't a high-bandwidth user or commercial. > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 11:47:58 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:47:58 +0200 Subject: more sessions within kdm session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803281347.59154.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > I would like a local user to start its own session, through ssh, within the > kdm running session of another user. If you want users from outside to come into your machine, they need (afaik) to have their own full user accounts. They will then see their own kdesktops and so on - each in /home/blah1, home/blah2 etc. I have seen some kind of Java thing that lets users login and use a single desktop - I can't recall the name now, but it might be what you need. \d From whitover-1 at btconnect.com Fri Mar 28 12:52:18 2008 From: whitover-1 at btconnect.com (John Hansen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:52:18 +0000 Subject: USB Modem with Linux Message-ID: <47ECEA02.7050402@btconnect.com> I have been trying to establish whether the USB modem which the various mobile phone companies promote will work with Linux. I am told by the companies that they will not as there is a problem with drivers. Others maintain that they do work straight out of the box. Have any of you positive experiences in UK or Europe? John From lanzenesi at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 13:22:07 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:22:07 +0100 Subject: USB Modem with Linux In-Reply-To: <47ECEA02.7050402@btconnect.com> References: <47ECEA02.7050402@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <200803281422.08342.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Friday 28 March 2008 13:52:18 John Hansen wrote: > Have any of you positive experiences in UK or Europe? Are you talking about the new usb sticks? I'm not using one myself, but I've read about successful stories. You might have to google around using the company name and the driver inside the stick. If you're talking about mobile phones, yes, I'm using one myself. BTW, I'm in Italy. -- lanzen From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Fri Mar 28 13:28:44 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:28:44 +0000 Subject: USB Modem with Linux In-Reply-To: <47ECEA02.7050402@btconnect.com> References: <47ECEA02.7050402@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <200803281328.44445.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Friday 28 Mar 2008, John Hansen wrote: > I have been trying to establish whether the USB modem which the various > mobile phone companies promote will work with Linux. I am told by the > companies that they will not as there is a problem with drivers. Others > maintain that they do work straight out of the box. > I've never thought about buying one of these, but, is it possible to get a demo in a shop? When I moved to Virgin Mobile, the assistant was happy to let me try one of the shop's SIM cards in my phone to make sure it wasn't locked. This should be available for special devices like mobile network modems, as part of the customer service, I would have thought. Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From d.mcglone at att.net Fri Mar 28 13:45:19 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:45:19 -0400 Subject: ndiswrapper questions In-Reply-To: <47EC5820.8020800@gmail.com> References: <280193.12381.qm@web83723.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <47EC4C7A.6090100@gmail.com> <47EC5820.8020800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803280945.19452.d.mcglone@att.net> On Thursday 27 March 2008 10:29:52 pm D. R. Evans wrote: > Incidentally, even though I have done an "ndiswrapper -m" (and it says that > the alias exists), on a reboot I still have to execute "modprobe > ndiswrapper" in order to see the wlan0 interface when I do an "ifconfig > -a". > > I don't know if that's useful information. > > It sure would be nice (assuming I ever get this thing working) to > understand why the "ndiswrapper -m" isn't having the expected effect. You may have to add the line: ndiswrapper to your /etc/modules so it will start on boot. -- David M. From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Fri Mar 28 14:03:02 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:03:02 +0000 Subject: USB Modem with Linux In-Reply-To: <47ECEA02.7050402@btconnect.com> References: <47ECEA02.7050402@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <20080328140302.760e105a@graham-desktop> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:52:18 +0000 John Hansen wrote: > I have been trying to establish whether the USB modem which the > various mobile phone companies promote will work with Linux. I am > told by the companies that they will not as there is a problem with > drivers. Others maintain that they do work straight out of the box. > > Have any of you positive experiences in UK or Europe? > > John > Yes, I've had experience in the UK with Speedtouch modems. No, I haven't had any positive experience. If you have one of the silver modems it has a different chipset in it to the non-silver Speedtouch modems, and hence need different drivers to make it work. They were a pig to get working in the days before ndswrapper, and I haven't had any experience since. The driver had to be compiled into the kernel and then, in theory you were ready to go but I spent many frustrating hours and days trying to get them to work and failing badly. In the end, I called up my ISP and obtained a modem that fitted into the network card port on my PC, and THAT worked "out of the box". I then connected a router with a hardware firewall between the modem and the PC and I haven't looked back. The driver was a proprietary driver so Linux could not use it as is, but a back-engineered open source driver was written. Perhaps it wasn't mature enough then. If you're contemplating using a Speedtouch modem, this link might be helpful: http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html However my advice is to keep well away from the usb modems such as the Speedtouch. -- Graham Todd From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 14:07:38 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:07:38 -0600 Subject: ndiswrapper questions In-Reply-To: <200803280925.41219.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <356656.186.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <47EC60E5.4030207@gmail.com> <200803280925.41219.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47ECFBAA.20001@gmail.com> lanzen said the following at 03/28/2008 02:25 AM : > > I might have missed some bits and pieces on the precious posts, but didn't > knetwork-manager show you wireless by just clicking on the icon in the tray? > Mostly, no. At some point very close to the end, it did; this was one of those several-hours-long marathons at the the end of which I was confused about what I did when, so I don't know what I did to suddenly have it appear, but knetwork-manager wasn't helpful until the very end. > > Well, I can only talk of (k)nm as I haven't tried KWifiManager. In Gutsy just > clicking on another network does the trick provided you own a key if > encrypted, of course. > The issue seems to be that the help page says that when you perform the scan, the second column should describe the mode of the network... but it doesn't, it always shows up blank. So I think that then when I try to go to that network by clicking on it, the system defaults to assuming that it's ad-hoc. I have no idea why scanning the networks doesn't provide the system with the mode. It is 100% consistent, though. Doc From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 14:15:16 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:15:16 -0600 Subject: ndiswrapper questions In-Reply-To: <200803280925.41219.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <356656.186.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <47EC60E5.4030207@gmail.com> <200803280925.41219.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47ECFD74.8050508@gmail.com> lanzen said the following at 03/28/2008 02:25 AM : > Good! Now just don't update to hardy until they fix it or you'll be in for > trouble. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ndiswrapper/+bug/194714 > I would hope that they wouldn't release hardy until this is resolved, otherwise a lot of people are going to be unhappy. Canonical do seem to be pretty good about hiding all this kind of thing from users (actually, my original hope when I started on this yesterday was that it would all just work if I installed the restricted drivers, but it didn't). Also, I think I read somewhere yesterday that in fact there's a real linux driver for the RTL8187b in the kernel now, so it might be that I won't have to use ndiswrapper in hardy anyway. Anyway, thanks for pointing out that there's an issue with hardy at the moment. Doc From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 28 14:47:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:47:38 -0300 Subject: ndiswrapper questions References: <280193.12381.qm@web83723.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <47EC4C7A.6090100@gmail.com> <47EC5820.8020800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1955007.kscm34Rget@cedar.serverforest.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > Incidentally, even though I have done an "ndiswrapper -m" (and it says > that the alias exists), on a reboot I still have to execute "modprobe > ndiswrapper" in order to see the wlan0 interface when I do an "ifconfig > -a". > > I don't know if that's useful information. > > It sure would be nice (assuming I ever get this thing working) to > understand why the "ndiswrapper -m" isn't having the expected effect. It would - but never fear, you're not alone. Just add ndiswrapper as the last line in /etc/modules. I'm certain that "ndiswrapper -m" _should_ do this, and I could have sworn I'd filed a bug report (but don't see my name linked to any such) but it's not something unique to you :-) Now that it's running, you should be able to trigger the network interface through knetworkmanager (likely already in your system tray). Right click on the system tray icon, click on the appropriate entry under Wireless Networks. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 28 14:50:01 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:50:01 -0300 Subject: ndiswrapper questions References: <356656.186.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <47EC60E5.4030207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30965691.KvYAlNpyjO@cedar.serverforest.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > I don't know how much of this was necessary, but what I did: > > 1. In KWifiManager, in Settings | Configuration Editor, I entered the SSID > and the interface name (wlan0) in the Config1 tab, and checked "Load > preset configuration on startup". (I suspect that is will cause me a > problem when I roam, though, so maybe I should not have done this.) Probably. knetworkmanager works for most users, with less configuration. otoh, it doesn't work for _some_ users with any amount of configuration :-( -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 28 14:51:41 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:51:41 -0300 Subject: ndiswrapper questions References: <356656.186.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <47EC60E5.4030207@gmail.com> <200803280925.41219.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47ECFBAA.20001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3233613.IiCn2K0kSS@cedar.serverforest.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > lanzen said the following at 03/28/2008 02:25 AM : > >> >> I might have missed some bits and pieces on the precious posts, but >> didn't knetwork-manager show you wireless by just clicking on the icon in >> the tray? >> > > Mostly, no. At some point very close to the end, it did; this was one of > those several-hours-long marathons at the the end of which I was confused > about what I did when, so I don't know what I did to suddenly have it > appear, but knetwork-manager wasn't helpful until the very end. I don't think so - now that you have the System Settings configured for wlan0, knetworkmanager isn't even seeing your wireless. -- derek From lanzenesi at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 15:27:18 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:27:18 +0100 Subject: ndiswrapper questions In-Reply-To: <47ECFBAA.20001@gmail.com> References: <356656.186.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <200803280925.41219.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47ECFBAA.20001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803281627.18926.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Friday 28 March 2008 15:07:38 D. R. Evans wrote: > The issue seems to be that the help page says that when you perform the > scan, the second column should describe the mode of the network... but it > doesn't, it always shows up blank. So I think that then when I try to go to >  that network by clicking on it, the system defaults to assuming that it's > ad-hoc. You're talking about KWiFi so... I had to check it out. ;) Nice, but I don't really see any big difference from nm as the same info is more or less shown on both. Scanning works, but I see - as expected - the same channels nm sees. The manual here says that the scan results depend on the card, driver and whether you're root or not (??). > I have no idea why scanning the networks doesn't provide the system with > the mode. It is 100% consistent, though. I don't see that either, nor in network-manager. of course it shows in konsole with "iwlist scan". -- lanzen From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 28 15:24:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:24:51 -0300 Subject: Web Hosting References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> <1969430.8OBVNU7BxU@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <25699071.HeonQmVm2X@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: >> I'm going to hate myself in the morning, but I agree... >> >> I should explain :-) I live off-grid, so I don't actually have the >> resources to run a 24/7 server - either electricity or Internet access. > > Can't say much about your internet access but even off the grid you > can run a lap top off some batteries and a solar panel! :-) Power > consumption is really low with laptops and you don't need a new fancy > one to run a little server. Oh, really? I'm afraid you also can't say much about off-grid power consumption :-) I worry about wall-warts. I have _finally_ decided I can live with the permanent consumption of a Linksys router (only because I can't be bothered to go to the attic to switch it off when I'm not using it - I should really run a switch). My _total_ daily electrical consumption is 2KwH. I produce that with about 50 sq.ft. of solar panels. My laptop - not as efficient as some, but far less than many - draws 60W with the display on. 60W x 24 hours = 1440wH - i.e., 75% of my total daily capacity! I haven't attempted to figure out what the draw might be with the display off, but surely more than half that. >> Plone. > > Why Plone over Django? I can't even begin to say. I haven't compared them. I don't even know if the _do_ compare - but Plone can make nice websites with minimal effort. > This is not my area of expertise but I > understood Plone to take more time to learn to use plus knowledge of > Zope on top of python. I don't know Django. I like Plone :-) If you actually have to do any _programming_ it's a bear. A big ugly smelly bear. >> > Want something bigger try postgreSQL with apache2 and Django. >> >> Postgresql is not very big for what you get. I do a lot of SQL >> development, and I can't believe the difference between trying to do >> anything in Oracle and the same in Postgre. > > Can you say more about this? What is the difference that you have > seen? I have never used Oracle but I would like to hear about it and > the why of what you are saying. Well, Postgres can do virtually everything that Oracle can do on the database end. Oracle then has this huge infrastructure that does things I'll never care about or even understand. So oracle-xe is a 405MB package. postgresql-8.2 is 12.1MB. When I start oracle-xe, I get an entire web-server to support it (that only really works with IE browsers). When I start postgresql, I don't - but I have all the tools readily available anyway. I knew somebody who implemented an application back in the late 90s on postgres - and it blew up really messily a few weeks later when the database hit 4TB (I think it could handle that now, but I wouldn't know). Oracle could handle that without blinking - but it runs some 30 processes on my system (this little laptop!) to be able to. One of the fun features is that I can't run Windows XP in virtualbox, to get an IE session to administer my Oracle server - not enough memory for all that. I have got to the point where for development (most of which is still targeted to Oracle systems) I copy the database structures to Postgres, develop with postgres, then run integration tests with the Oracle server. I also run mysql occasionally, but ime, it _can't_ do everything I'd do with Oracle. > > I don't know what you would have to be doing to overload PostgreSQL. > On the other side of this, it is nowhere near as light as Sqlite. Of > course Sqlite does not have the power of PostgreSQL but most user > sites (I would ever say most pro sites) don't need that power and they > do need the memory and CPU time. You're probably right. > > Before you need the rest of this, keep in mind that all the tests I > could find on the web were out of date often within the test the > software tested was from different years! We all know how much a > distro can change in a one year! Think about that with some of these > tests between software that is 2 years out of sink! > > I thought this was telling and humorous about PostgreSQL vs Oracle. > Note that Oracle was stated to run 15% faster in this test but the > hardware was hard to compare. Price includes hardware and software but > not the team that tuned the test. "So effectively, you can still get > slightly better performance by using Oracle on commodity hardware. You > just pay $120,000 to gain an incremental amount of performance. But Yes, I'd have to agree with that. I run oracle-xe which is free for my purposes, but when you get into paying licenses, it's astronomical. > http://www.kaltenbrunner.cc/blog/index.php?/archives/21-8.3-vs.-8.2-a-simple-benchmark.html > > > To sum this all up and state what I see: > Best for complex big system databases in order first being best. > Oracle, PostgreSQL, Mysql, SQlite > Best for simple uses and really high speed uses. > SQlite, Mysql, PostgrSQL, Oracle. I'm not convinced that mysql can ever come ahead of postgres, but my knowledge is about as out of date as you mention above. Otherwise, I'd agree. > Last note: Oracle is really expansive and needs special hardware and > might not be faster than PostGreSQL now. It no longer needs special hardware. It can run on any Linux system and is certified on Ubuntu. They're even pushing their own "Oracle Unbreakable Linux". -- derek From lanzenesi at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 15:34:39 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:34:39 +0100 Subject: ndiswrapper questions In-Reply-To: <47ECFD74.8050508@gmail.com> References: <356656.186.qm@web83718.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <200803280925.41219.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47ECFD74.8050508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803281634.39412.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Friday 28 March 2008 15:15:16 D. R. Evans wrote: > Anyway, thanks for pointing out that there's an issue with hardy at the > moment. How about this: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/NDISwrapper_and_the_GPL -- lanzen From hvontres at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 16:02:45 2008 From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:02:45 -0700 Subject: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <25699071.HeonQmVm2X@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> <1969430.8OBVNU7BxU@cedar.serverforest.com> <25699071.HeonQmVm2X@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > >> I'm going to hate myself in the morning, but I agree... > >> > >> I should explain :-) I live off-grid, so I don't actually have the > >> resources to run a 24/7 server - either electricity or Internet > access. > > > > Can't say much about your internet access but even off the grid you > > can run a lap top off some batteries and a solar panel! :-) Power > > consumption is really low with laptops and you don't need a new fancy > > one to run a little server. > > Oh, really? I'm afraid you also can't say much about off-grid power > consumption :-) I worry about wall-warts. I have _finally_ decided I can > live with the permanent consumption of a Linksys router (only because I > can't be bothered to go to the attic to switch it off when I'm not using > it - I should really run a switch). My _total_ daily electrical > consumption is 2KwH. I produce that with about 50 sq.ft. of solar panels. > My laptop - not as efficient as some, but far less than many - draws 60W > with the display on. 60W x 24 hours = 1440wH - i.e., 75% of my total > daily > capacity! I haven't attempted to figure out what the draw might be with > the display off, but surely more than half that. > > I know this is getting a bit off topic, but for a small, low-traffic webserver, maybe an ARM-based machine would be better? I have a sharp Zaurus which draws 7.8W. It only has 32MB of ram though. There are several embedded distributions [1] out there that include apache and some of the other tools needed to build a small web server. Just FYI :) [1] http://www.angstrom-distribution.org -- Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk Fri Mar 28 16:28:05 2008 From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (list at loampitsfarm.co.uk) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:28:05 +0000 Subject: Scan for wireless networks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803281628.06001.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> On Friday 28 March 2008 03:46, Ant Cunningham wrote: 3/27/08 11:38 PM, "Kevin B. O'Brien" wrote: > > How do I scan for wireless networks? > > iwlist scan Just iwlist scan in Konsole works, it just reports that the non wireless networks don't support scanning AJH From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 16:34:45 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:34:45 +0100 Subject: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> <1969430.8OBVNU7BxU@cedar.serverforest.com> <25699071.HeonQmVm2X@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: > I know this is getting a bit off topic, but for a small, low-traffic > webserver, maybe an ARM-based machine would be better? I have a sharp Zaurus > which draws 7.8W. It only has 32MB of ram though. There are several embedded > distributions [1] out there that include apache and some of the other tools > needed to build a small web server. Just FYI :) > > [1] http://www.angstrom-distribution.org > > -- > Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) Might be a bit off topic but way cool, that would run off the sun for sure! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 16:32:43 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:32:43 +0100 Subject: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <25699071.HeonQmVm2X@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> <1969430.8OBVNU7BxU@cedar.serverforest.com> <25699071.HeonQmVm2X@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > >> I'm going to hate myself in the morning, but I agree... > >> > >> I should explain :-) I live off-grid, so I don't actually have the > >> resources to run a 24/7 server - either electricity or Internet access. > > > > Can't say much about your internet access but even off the grid you > > can run a lap top off some batteries and a solar panel! :-) Power > > consumption is really low with laptops and you don't need a new fancy > > one to run a little server. > > Oh, really? I'm afraid you also can't say much about off-grid power > consumption :-) I worry about wall-warts. I have _finally_ decided I can > live with the permanent consumption of a Linksys router (only because I > can't be bothered to go to the attic to switch it off when I'm not using > it - I should really run a switch). My _total_ daily electrical > consumption is 2KwH. I produce that with about 50 sq.ft. of solar panels. > My laptop - not as efficient as some, but far less than many - draws 60W > with the display on. 60W x 24 hours = 1440wH - i.e., 75% of my total daily > capacity! I haven't attempted to figure out what the draw might be with > the display off, but surely more than half that. First off, GREAT JOB! I wish I could live off the grid and save the Earth more!! Our house being German is not as bad as my house it the US was and we do use Greenpeace power, but still far from perfect. What is a wall-wart? Nope not an expert but I have seen this: http://www.voltaicsystems.com/bag_generator.shtml Which would give you every other day some time. And this: http://ascscientific.com/solar.html Thus 3 of these should power your laptop with daylight, right? Also, if you are running a server then you don't need to power the screen saving like 18 watts, I think. I still think that this could be done, might cost you 3 grand though to set up This looks fun! http://www.undercurrents.org/Vagabond/index.htm This guy is DOING IT!!!! and with linux, says he gets it down to 20W at times. Gives directions too! http://www.earth.org.uk/low-power-laptop.html > >> > Want something bigger try postgreSQL with apache2 and Django. > >> > >> Postgresql is not very big for what you get. I do a lot of SQL > >> development, and I can't believe the difference between trying to do > >> anything in Oracle and the same in Postgre. > > > > Can you say more about this? What is the difference that you have > > seen? I have never used Oracle but I would like to hear about it and > > the why of what you are saying. > > Well, Postgres can do virtually everything that Oracle can do on the > database end. Oracle then has this huge infrastructure that does things > I'll never care about or even understand. So oracle-xe is a 405MB package. > postgresql-8.2 is 12.1MB. When I start oracle-xe, I get an entire > web-server to support it (that only really works with IE browsers). When I > start postgresql, I don't - but I have all the tools readily available > anyway. I knew somebody who implemented an application back in the late > 90s on postgres - and it blew up really messily a few weeks later when the > database hit 4TB (I think it could handle that now, but I wouldn't know). >From the PostgreSQL webpage: Limit Value Maximum Database Size Unlimited Maximum Table Size 32 TB Maximum Row Size 1.6 TB Maximum Field Size 1 GB Maximum Rows per Table Unlimited Maximum Columns per Table 250 - 1600 depending on column types Maximum Indexes per Table Unlimited > Oracle could handle that without blinking - but it runs some 30 processes > on my system (this little laptop!) to be able to. One of the fun features > is that I can't run Windows XP in virtualbox, to get an IE session to > administer my Oracle server - not enough memory for all that. I have read that PostgreSQL is going strongly after this multiCPU thing because all the computers in 10 years will be like that. > I have got to the point where for development (most of which is still > targeted to Oracle systems) I copy the database structures to Postgres, > develop with postgres, then run integration tests with the Oracle server. > I also run mysql occasionally, but ime, it _can't_ do everything I'd do > with Oracle. > > > http://www.kaltenbrunner.cc/blog/index.php?/archives/21-8.3-vs.-8.2-a-simple-benchmark.html > > > > > > To sum this all up and state what I see: > > Best for complex big system databases in order first being best. > > Oracle, PostgreSQL, Mysql, SQlite > > Best for simple uses and really high speed uses. > > SQlite, Mysql, PostgrSQL, Oracle. > > I'm not convinced that mysql can ever come ahead of postgres, but my > knowledge is about as out of date as you mention above. Otherwise, I'd > agree. I have yet to find a good benchmark between the two and Mysql did just get picked up by BIG pocketed people (company). I don't like MySQL but then who am I? I think with this backing you will see it take off and be a good, maybe I should say stronger as it is good for many now, product in a few years time. > > Last note: Oracle is really expansive and needs special hardware and > > might not be faster than PostGreSQL now. > > It no longer needs special hardware. It can run on any Linux system and is > certified on Ubuntu. They're even pushing their own "Oracle Unbreakable > Linux". The targets never holds still! > derek -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Mar 28 18:40:06 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:40:06 -0600 Subject: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> <1969430.8OBVNU7BxU@cedar.serverforest.com> <25699071.HeonQmVm2X@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47ED3B86.3030002@swbell.net> On 03/28/2008 Knapp wrote: > What is a wall-wart? A little transformer that plugs directly into the wall outlet. Usually black. Used to power all sorts of small appliances [ routers, network switches, battery chargers, etc ]. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Mar 28 17:58:39 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:58:39 -0300 Subject: Web Hosting References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> <1969430.8OBVNU7BxU@cedar.serverforest.com> <25699071.HeonQmVm2X@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <25700549.9f9y45hU1P@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > First off, GREAT JOB! I wish I could live off the grid and save the > Earth more!! Our house being German is not as bad as my house it the > US was No kidding. German standards are _way_ higher than ours, and it's not unknown for modern buildings to require little or no direct heating source, as they're superinsulated and make use of things like heat-recovery from waste water. > and we do use Greenpeace power, but still far from perfect. Really, living off the grid isn't that green - it's reducing your energy consumption, which you could do anywhere, but off-grid living forces you to it. > > What is a wall-wart? All those DC adapters that plug into AC outlets - that draw a watt or two even if there's nothing plugged in at the DC end. > Nope not an expert but I have seen this: > http://www.voltaicsystems.com/bag_generator.shtml > Which would give you every other day some time. Cute! It's really not getting the power that's the problem - it's that you don't invest in putting up more PV panels than you need, so one's always close to the line on electricity. If I really needed a full-time server at home, I'd probably use an older PowerPC-based laptop. > if you are running a server then you don't need to power the screen > saving like 18 watts, I think. Right - I just haven't measured that number, but 18W sounds about right. > This looks fun! > http://www.undercurrents.org/Vagabond/index.htm > > This guy is DOING IT!!!! and with linux, says he gets it down to 20W > at times. Gives directions too! > http://www.earth.org.uk/low-power-laptop.html Now _that's_ beautiful, and what I was really getting at. If you buy web hosting (hey - back on topic!), you have no control over the resource consumption, if you do it at home, you can get it down to 20W. (re: Postgres, Mysql) > I have yet to find a good benchmark between the two and Mysql did just > get picked up by BIG pocketed people (company). I don't like MySQL but > then who am I? I think with this backing you will see it take off and > be a good, maybe I should say stronger as it is good for many now, > product in a few years time. It's definitely a good database, just so far I find Postgres more useful. I expect you're right. > > The targets never holds still! Targets that hold still tend to be shot dead :-) -- derek From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 18:17:36 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:17:36 +0100 Subject: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <25700549.9f9y45hU1P@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> <1853129.H4UFfjh4qx@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803271848.33774.kassube@gmx.net> <1499756.HF8nIQSqm3@cedar.serverforest.com> <1969430.8OBVNU7BxU@cedar.serverforest.com> <25699071.HeonQmVm2X@cedar.serverforest.com> <25700549.9f9y45hU1P@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: > > I have yet to find a good benchmark between the two and Mysql did just > > get picked up by BIG pocketed people (company). I don't like MySQL but > > then who am I? I think with this backing you will see it take off and > > be a good, maybe I should say stronger as it is good for many now, > > product in a few years time. > > It's definitely a good database, just so far I find Postgres more useful. I > expect you're right. > > > > > The targets never holds still! > > Targets that hold still tend to be shot dead :-) > -- > derek Back off topic, but for me there is a big difference between a piece of open source that is owned by one of the big profit companies,like MySQL VS one "owned", "by the people", like PostgreSQL is. In this way SQlite is really funny. It is public domain not GPL 3 or whatever. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From teonimesic at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 22:17:55 2008 From: teonimesic at gmail.com (Stefano Diem) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:17:55 -0300 Subject: Sound problem on kubuntu 8.4b In-Reply-To: <200803272236.12551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <7bed7c6d0803270541v446b5efdg897ffe13bbae19f1@mail.gmail.com> <200803272236.12551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <7bed7c6d0803281517i795b0165x426e49f2af41a15b@mail.gmail.com> I don't get anything from lsmod|grep snd... Don't know what it means but it seems bad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Fri Mar 28 23:22:24 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:22:24 -0400 Subject: Sound problem on kubuntu 8.4b In-Reply-To: <7bed7c6d0803281517i795b0165x426e49f2af41a15b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bed7c6d0803270541v446b5efdg897ffe13bbae19f1@mail.gmail.com> <200803272236.12551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <7bed7c6d0803281517i795b0165x426e49f2af41a15b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803281922.24815.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 28 March 2008, Stefano Diem wrote: > I don't get anything from lsmod|grep snd... > Don't know what it means but it seems bad No ALSA modules loaded. That and no devices in /dev either spell your sound is busted badly enough that I think if I were facing that, I'd be preparing to do a clean install. -- D. 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BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./linxt line 8. Yet I do have Perl installed. Any tips on how to get my brick detected via USB? As I'm ready to make the Terminator storyline a reality ;P Thanks! -- Ronnie Tucker ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk www.RonnieTucker.co.uk Skype : ronnietucker Jabber: ronnietucker at jabber.org Registered Linux User # 456627 Registered Ubuntu User # 18227 From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 29 00:41:58 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:41:58 -0400 Subject: Any LEGO MINDSTORM NXT users here? In-Reply-To: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> References: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> Message-ID: <200803282041.58313.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 28 March 2008, Ronnie Tucker wrote: > Just got me a LEGO MINDSTORMS NXT kit from eBay (£130, good price I > thought) but I'll be damned if I can get my Kubuntu Gutsy to recognise > the NXT brick via USB. I have one of those things in a corner under a pile of rubble around here somewhere. My kids never played with it. It's probably high time I sold it on eBay myself, now that you mention it. But I'll try to dig it out and give this a go tomorrow, if the batteries haven't corroded the poor thing to death by now. LiNXT huh? -- D. Michael McIntyre From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 00:42:55 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:42:55 +0100 Subject: Any LEGO MINDSTORM NXT users here? In-Reply-To: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> References: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Ronnie Tucker wrote: > Hi all, > > Just got me a LEGO MINDSTORMS NXT kit from eBay (£130, good price I > thought) but I'll be damned if I can get my Kubuntu Gutsy to recognise > the NXT brick via USB. > > I've followed the instructions from the NXC site to put a rules and perm > file onto my PC but when I plug the brick (switched off) into the USB of > the PC and turn on the brick I get nothing detected. > > I've got LiNXT downloaded too but when I try to run it I get: > > Can't locate Device/USB.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl > /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 > /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 > /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./linxt line 8. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./linxt line 8. > > Yet I do have Perl installed. > > Any tips on how to get my brick detected via USB? As I'm ready to make > the Terminator storyline a reality ;P > > Thanks! > > -- > Ronnie Tucker Did come with drivers and software? Might try wine? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk Sat Mar 29 00:47:44 2008 From: ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk (Ronnie Tucker) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:47:44 +0000 Subject: Any LEGO MINDSTORM NXT users here? In-Reply-To: References: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> Message-ID: <47ED91B0.9050006@ronnietucker.co.uk> Knapp wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Ronnie Tucker > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Just got me a LEGO MINDSTORMS NXT kit from eBay (£130, good price I >> thought) but I'll be damned if I can get my Kubuntu Gutsy to recognise >> the NXT brick via USB. >> >> I've followed the instructions from the NXC site to put a rules and perm >> file onto my PC but when I plug the brick (switched off) into the USB of >> the PC and turn on the brick I get nothing detected. >> >> I've got LiNXT downloaded too but when I try to run it I get: >> >> Can't locate Device/USB.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl >> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 >> /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 >> /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./linxt line 8. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./linxt line 8. >> >> Yet I do have Perl installed. >> >> Any tips on how to get my brick detected via USB? As I'm ready to make >> the Terminator storyline a reality ;P >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> Ronnie Tucker >> > > Did come with drivers and software? Might try wine? > It comes with a very visual robotic programming thing called NXT-G but it just won't install under WINE. It comes with Windows USB drivers (called Fantom I think). Can I install them with WINE or maybe ndiswrapper? (if it's still used!) -- Ronnie Tucker ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk www.RonnieTucker.co.uk Skype : ronnietucker Jabber: ronnietucker at jabber.org Registered Linux User # 456627 Registered Ubuntu User # 18227 From ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk Sat Mar 29 00:50:01 2008 From: ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk (Ronnie Tucker) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:50:01 +0000 Subject: Any LEGO MINDSTORM NXT users here? In-Reply-To: <200803282041.58313.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> <200803282041.58313.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <47ED9239.6060504@ronnietucker.co.uk> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Friday 28 March 2008, Ronnie Tucker wrote: > >> Just got me a LEGO MINDSTORMS NXT kit from eBay (£130, good price I >> thought) but I'll be damned if I can get my Kubuntu Gutsy to recognise >> the NXT brick via USB. >> > > I have one of those things in a corner under a pile of rubble around here > somewhere. My kids never played with it. It's probably high time I sold it > on eBay myself, now that you mention it. > > But I'll try to dig it out and give this a go tomorrow, if the batteries > haven't corroded the poor thing to death by now. > > LiNXT huh? > LiNXT is a perl script to let Linux transfer files to the NXT brick. By the way, if you're going to sell your kit on eBay don't sell it with a BuyNow price of anything less than about £150-180. I've seen these kits sell for over £200 even though they are worth £180 new, probably because they are so hard to get, hardly any shops have them in stock just now... -- Ronnie Tucker ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk www.RonnieTucker.co.uk Skype : ronnietucker Jabber: ronnietucker at jabber.org Registered Linux User # 456627 Registered Ubuntu User # 18227 From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Mar 29 02:19:51 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:19:51 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned Message-ID: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Greetings; Yesterday I went to the workshop, where the Kubuntu-6.06 LTS box that runs my milling machine lives, and which usually has a copy of konversation running tuned to the #emc group on freenode, and found for the 4th time or maybe the 5th, that another channel with a gibberishy name had been opened, but was showing no traffic on that channel since it had been opened. And like the last few times, the only way to get rid of it was to stop konversation completely and restart it. This whole system is behind a recent version of dd-wrt, whose firewall is pretty darned bulletproof, so I am at wits end to stop that other than swapping to a different IRC agent. Is there another IRC client available that perhaps is a bit more secure than konversation? Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 29 02:28:54 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:28:54 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200803282228.54284.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 28 March 2008, Gene Heskett wrote: > Is there another IRC client available that perhaps is a bit more secure > than konversation? There's a million of them. Most of them old school. apt-cache search irc|grep client Pick something. If it sucks, pick something else. I think I used to use BitchX before I remembered how much I despise IRC and all other forms of live chat. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 29 02:33:20 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:33:20 -0400 Subject: Any LEGO MINDSTORM NXT users here? In-Reply-To: <47ED9239.6060504@ronnietucker.co.uk> References: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> <200803282041.58313.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <47ED9239.6060504@ronnietucker.co.uk> Message-ID: <200803282233.20649.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 28 March 2008, Ronnie Tucker wrote: > LiNXT is a perl script to let Linux transfer files to the NXT brick. Oh. No progress on the programming language then? I used to program the old yellow brick in NQC, but the last time I looked (over a year ago) any NQC for the NXT was years or centuries off. > By the way, if you're going to sell your kit on eBay don't sell it with > a BuyNow price of anything less than about £150-180. I've seen these > kits sell for over £200 even though they are worth £180 new, probably > because they are so hard to get, hardly any shops have them in stock > just now... Really? I'm sitting on a gold mine, and don't even know it. Considering the crappy value of the US dollar about now, if I could get £180 out of the thing that would be over $100 USD profit. Wow. I'll try to get the brick working tomorrow, probably. I'm busy just now with another project, but I haven't forgotten you. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 29 02:37:16 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:37:16 -0400 Subject: Any LEGO MINDSTORM NXT users here? In-Reply-To: <200803282233.20649.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> <47ED9239.6060504@ronnietucker.co.uk> <200803282233.20649.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200803282237.16826.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Friday 28 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > Oh. No progress on the programming language then? I used to program the > old yellow brick in NQC, but the last time I looked (over a year ago) any > NQC for the NXT was years or centuries off. OK, I STFWed, and I found NXC. I have a project tomorrow. Cool! -- D. Michael McIntyre From ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk Sat Mar 29 02:58:37 2008 From: ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk (Ronnie Tucker) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:58:37 +0000 Subject: Any LEGO MINDSTORM NXT users here? In-Reply-To: <200803282237.16826.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> <47ED9239.6060504@ronnietucker.co.uk> <200803282233.20649.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200803282237.16826.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <47EDB05D.5030400@ronnietucker.co.uk> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Friday 28 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote >> Oh. No progress on the programming language then? I used to program the >> old yellow brick in NQC, but the last time I looked (over a year ago) any >> NQC for the NXT was years or centuries off. >> > > OK, I STFWed, and I found NXC. I have a project tomorrow. > > Cool! > Just in case you get back in to NXT and building: the free LEGO Digital Designer (LDD) lets you build robots etc on computer first runs 101% in WINE :) The LDD lets you load up other peoples robot files and can show you how to go about building it. Pretty neat! :) PS: and yes, you can also use it to play with ordinary (good old fashioned) LEGO bricks too... :D -- Ronnie Tucker ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk www.RonnieTucker.co.uk Skype : ronnietucker Jabber: ronnietucker at jabber.org Registered Linux User # 456627 Registered Ubuntu User # 18227 From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Mar 29 03:11:02 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:11:02 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803282228.54284.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803282228.54284.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200803282311.02325.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 28 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >On Friday 28 March 2008, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Is there another IRC client available that perhaps is a bit more secure >> than konversation? > >There's a million of them. Most of them old school. > >apt-cache search irc|grep client > >Pick something. If it sucks, pick something else. I think I used to use >BitchX before I remembered how much I despise IRC and all other forms of > live chat. I am not a fan of IRC either, Michael, but the quickest way to get a bug fixed, or a feature added to emc is to ask the guys that wrote it, in person. Most of them are on IRC, or running a log of what goes by on that channel. I've had them go look up something I thought was odd, and had the src code fix on my machine compiling the fixed version in 20 minutes. That is rather hard to beat. Maybe I'll see if BitchX is any better. I have noted it seems to have active support, it gets listed on freshmeat from time to time. >-- >D. Michael McIntyre -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It now costs more to amuse a child than it once did to educate his father. From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Mar 29 05:30:54 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:30:54 +0300 Subject: OT: Web conferencing software? Message-ID: <47EDD40E.1020303@rmk.co.il> Since I got a new laptop with built-in webcam, and I have a friend with whom I am in the process of building a business plan with website, I have been looking for a good app that we both can use (he's still a Win user). I looked at a few but couldn't find something that was easy to use. I happened to come across: http://www.dimdim.com/ (open source). It looks a great idea.... Any thoughts? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From hunkumori at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 05:43:41 2008 From: hunkumori at gmail.com (hunkumori) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:43:41 +0100 Subject: OT: Web conferencing software? In-Reply-To: <47EDD40E.1020303@rmk.co.il> References: <47EDD40E.1020303@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <47EDD70D.4000702@gmail.com> Hello Hmm this page have a very good aim. I've used a similar page lately. It's a private page so I don't recommend it. :) By the way it uses the same mechanism, and I used that with Kubuntu, my friend had XP. Worked like charm. So I think you can give it a try... From philbieber at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 09:44:13 2008 From: philbieber at gmail.com (Phil Bieber) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:44:13 +0100 Subject: Desktop effects in Hardy Heron In-Reply-To: <47ED7F78.9010601@telenet.be> References: <47ED7F78.9010601@telenet.be> Message-ID: <3b27fa9d0803290244m38f28057t54f256b3b89cb430@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Alain Muls wrote: > Hi, > > I use (k)ubuntu since the 5.04 release and I used a spare partition for > installing the 8.04beta. As expected, I have no problems. The > installation is the best I have had yet, since for the first time I am > able to have some 3D effects. I tested the effects in the "standard" > form from Compiz Desktop Effects and I can see the shadow and the effect > when minimizing windows. I google'd what effects are enabled in these > different modes and what keyboard shortcuts exist for them, but I did > not find the answer. Can someone direct me to a URL where I can read > about this? > > regards > Alain > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Hi! I don't know a specific site, but you can install compizconfig-settings-manage., You can find it under System->PReferences->Advanced Desktop Effects Settings (in Gnome) or you can launch it via ALT+F2-> ccsm. It lets you configure pretty much every aspect of compiz including the shortcuts.. Cheers Phil Bieber -- Avoid rape - say yes! Warnings from the manual for Layer Express v2 (an AutoCAD extension): Written on Page 12 (Blank page separating Ch. 1 & 2): To reduce the risk of shock, Do not remove the cover of this book. No serviceable components inside. GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber): 0x0185E301 FINGERPRINT: CA81 28C2 E63F DAF8 5ED4 DACB 7C26 EE5B 0185 E301 Phil Bieber - philbieber at gmail.com GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber Work): 0x3E43576A FINGERPRINT: F043 92A1 2A2C 5256 52A9 DECB A39F B04C 3E43 576A Philipp Bieber - philipp.bieber at gundlach.de From slewin at bmts.com Sat Mar 29 12:08:10 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:08:10 -0400 Subject: Scan for wireless networks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47EE312A.20505@bmts.com> Ant Cunningham wrote: > iwlist scan Thanks, that is a very cool use of the command line. Now, hopefully I will remember this the next time I need to search for wireless networks. :) -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 7.10 From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 29 12:39:07 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:39:07 -0300 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803282228.54284.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1409588.iT0626Mjzl@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Friday 28 March 2008, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Is there another IRC client available that perhaps is a bit more secure >> than konversation? > > There's a million of them. Most of them old school. > > apt-cache search irc|grep client > > Pick something. If it sucks, pick something else. I think I used to use > BitchX before I remembered how much I despise IRC and all other forms of > live chat. LOL. I'm perplexed by what appears to me to be a resurgence of IRC for support - essentially, ever since I started using Ubuntu, where the devs use IRC a lot, I've been finding more and more software projects using IRC. I hate it - I can't stand the interleaving of discussion. Unlike newsgroups, which are like a private discussion (with a million people eavesdropping, and occasionally butting in), it's like trying to hold a conversation in a room full of people shouting at the top of their lungs. Ugh. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 29 12:42:34 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:42:34 -0300 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803282228.54284.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200803282311.02325.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <6286814.JjpaH8iygW@cedar.serverforest.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > I am not a fan of IRC either, Michael, but the quickest way to get a bug > fixed, or a feature added to emc is to ask the guys that wrote it, in > person. Most of them are on IRC, or running a log of what goes by on that > channel. I've had them go look up something I thought was odd, and had the > src code > fix on my machine compiling the fixed version in 20 minutes. That is > rather hard to beat. But that's purely because it's their choice of support mode, not because it's _better_. To get a fix in 20 minutes still needs somebody to be continually following the discussion. Mail lists are darn near as fast. Newsgroups will be slightly slower due to the batch nature of updating the news spool. -- derek From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 29 16:03:02 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:03:02 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <6286814.JjpaH8iygW@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803282311.02325.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <6286814.JjpaH8iygW@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803291203.02314.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 29 March 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Newsgroups will be slightly slower due to the batch nature of updating the > news spool. Plus only one post in every 142,000 isn't spam. I was a big Usenet guy for the longest time, but I finally gave up for good. Haven't started a newsreader in years. > LOL. I'm perplexed by what appears to me to be a resurgence of IRC for > support - essentially, ever since I started using Ubuntu, where the devs > use IRC a lot, Yeah, they do. I got invited to join some channel or other several months ago, and haven't gotten around to it yet. Probably won't. > I hate it - I can't stand the interleaving of discussion. I can't stand waiting on somebody to finish typing something already. I don't care how slowly you type, or how long it takes you to organize and compose your thoughts, just don't make me sit here on the clock waiting on your slow ass. It drives me NUTS! I can't stand any other forms of IM either. I was on ICQ for awhile, many years ago, and after I had had the little icon set to invisible or whatever for a couple of months, I realized what I needed to do. On top of everything else, I just don't like changing my plan from moment to moment to suit someone else's unpredictable schedule. I just settled down to do whatever, and lo, now somebody has randomly sat down in front of his computer, and wants me to make time to chat RIGHT NOW. Getting a phone call is kind of the same thing, but it's less annoying because phone behavior is still rooted in the days when calls cost money, and there's some pressure to have the chat, get it out, and hang up already. What people want you to do on IM is the equivalent of expecting you to sit around with the phone stuck to your ear for five hours in order to exchange three brief snippets of conversation. Just not my speed at all. No thank you. IRC, AIM, ICQ, and whatever else, you can keep them all. The only time I've ever messed about with any of that nonsense was when I was setting Linux up for teenage children of friends. I guess I'm just a crotchety old bastard. A little ranting has been fun though. :) -- D. Michael McIntyre From ed.lau at mail.ee Sat Mar 29 16:17:04 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (=?UTF-8?B?RWRtdW5kIMS5YXVnYXNzb24=?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:17:04 +0200 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <47EE6B80.7060106@mail.ee> > Is there another IRC client available that perhaps is a bit more secure than > konversation? I used X-Chat (http://www.xchat.org/) with no problems, which is available at universe repository: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xchat&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all Other IRC clients can be read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_IRC_clients Another IRC-client is Chatzilla - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatzilla More reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IRC_commands From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 16:40:34 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:40:34 -0600 Subject: Q: copying all the kontact info from one machine to another Message-ID: <47EE7102.4010807@gmail.com> Does anyone know how to transfer all the kontact information easily from one computer to another? At a minimum, just the contact info from kontact would be a good start, although it would be nice to also have all the rest of the stuff (calendars, to-dos) copied as well. Doc PS It's probably just a matter of copying one or two files. I tried copying ~/.kde/env/apps/kabc, but that was obviously not enough. PPS FWIW, my googling brought up several versions of this same question, but without any responses :-( From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Mar 29 16:50:33 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:50:33 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <1409588.iT0626Mjzl@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803282228.54284.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1409588.iT0626Mjzl@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803291250.33483.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 29 March 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> On Friday 28 March 2008, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Is there another IRC client available that perhaps is a bit more secure >>> than konversation? >> >> There's a million of them. Most of them old school. >> >> apt-cache search irc|grep client >> >> Pick something. If it sucks, pick something else. I think I used to use >> BitchX before I remembered how much I despise IRC and all other forms of >> live chat. > >LOL. I'm perplexed by what appears to me to be a resurgence of IRC for >support - essentially, ever since I started using Ubuntu, where the devs >use IRC a lot, I've been finding more and more software projects using IRC. >I hate it - I can't stand the interleaving of discussion. Unlike >newsgroups, which are like a private discussion (with a million people >eavesdropping, and occasionally butting in), it's like trying to hold a >conversation in a room full of people shouting at the top of their lungs. >Ugh. >-- >derek I was there Thursday, and while there were 400 bots logged in, apparently no humans, so after 10 minutes of having my question ignored, I left. If they are gonna do support on IRC, there really should be someone available. Looking for BitchX now. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Be careful what you set your heart on -- for it will surely be yours. -- James Baldwin, "Nobody Knows My Name" From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Mar 29 16:56:42 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:56:42 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <6286814.JjpaH8iygW@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803282311.02325.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <6286814.JjpaH8iygW@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803291256.42910.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 29 March 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> I am not a fan of IRC either, Michael, but the quickest way to get a bug >> fixed, or a feature added to emc is to ask the guys that wrote it, in >> person. Most of them are on IRC, or running a log of what goes by on that >> channel. I've had them go look up something I thought was odd, and had the >> src code >> fix on my machine compiling the fixed version in 20 minutes. That is >> rather hard to beat. > >But that's purely because it's their choice of support mode, not because >it's _better_. To get a fix in 20 minutes still needs somebody to be >continually following the discussion. Mail lists are darn near as fast. >Newsgroups will be slightly slower due to the batch nature of updating the >news spool. > >-- >derek And BitchX doesn't seem to be available for fedora 8 (this box) so I could try it. Choices are pidgin, epic, lostirc and xchat. Pulling them all. Maybe one will pull my trigger... Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I'm QUIETLY reading the latest issue of "BOWLING WORLD" while my wife and two children stand QUIETLY BY ... From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Mar 29 16:59:07 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:59:07 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <47EE6B80.7060106@mail.ee> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <47EE6B80.7060106@mail.ee> Message-ID: <200803291259.08066.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 29 March 2008, Edmund Ĺaugasson wrote: >> Is there another IRC client available that perhaps is a bit more secure >> than konversation? > >I used X-Chat (http://www.xchat.org/) with no problems, which is available > at universe repository: > http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xchat&searchon=names&suite=all&s >ection=all > I think that may be on that box already, just needs its icon put on the toolbar. Thanks. >Other IRC clients can be read at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_IRC_clients > >Another IRC-client is Chatzilla - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatzilla > >More reading: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IRC_commands -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history. -George Bernard Shaw From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 29 17:16:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:16:03 -0300 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803282311.02325.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <6286814.JjpaH8iygW@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803291203.02314.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 29 March 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Newsgroups will be slightly slower due to the batch nature of updating >> the news spool. > > Plus only one post in every 142,000 isn't spam. Not even close. You just have to use a reliable news service. However, I wasn't really thinking of Usenet, but either dedicated NNTP servers (as some vendors use) or gated news like gmane - which is strictly mail lists, but slower :-). >> LOL. I'm perplexed by what appears to me to be a resurgence of IRC for >> support - essentially, ever since I started using Ubuntu, where the devs >> use IRC a lot, > > Yeah, they do. I got invited to join some channel or other several months > ago, and haven't gotten around to it yet. Probably won't. I was actively trying to help resolve a bug in something years ago, until asked to get onto IRC... I'm sorry, I want to be helpful, but you shouldn't make me go through hell to get there. > I can't stand waiting on somebody to finish typing something already. I > don't care how slowly you type, or how long it takes you to organize and > compose your thoughts, just don't make me sit here on the clock waiting on > your slow ass. Right. And of course they never learned to type, so they hunt & peck in l33t. I can type full sentences faster than the kids type their unintelligible shorthand. > I can't stand any other forms of IM either. I was on ICQ for awhile, many > years ago, and after I had had the little icon set to invisible or > whatever for a couple of months, I realized what I needed to do. I do a support shift for my university that requires MSN (which I do via kopete). Thankfully, nobody has ever tried to contact me (at least, I don't think so - like I'd really know?) > Getting a phone call is kind of the same thing, but it's less annoying I hate phones, too - but at least we don't use party lines anymore, which is what ICQ is. > I guess I'm just a crotchety old bastard. No guess at all! I recognize the type from personal experience :-) -- derek From 0nas at clearwire.net Sat Mar 29 18:41:24 2008 From: 0nas at clearwire.net (0nas at clearwire.net) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:41:24 -0400 Subject: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> References: <20080327165039.c400465f.neil@holsdev.vispa.com> Message-ID: <20080329144124.9yly4o4ois0cs8cc@email.clearwire.net> What site are you referring too? Quoting Neil Winchurst : > I already have set up one web site, mainly as a learning medium. > Although I have used computers for years (and years and years) I did > not have any experience of running a web site. > > Now that I have a better idea I am considering setting up another one > where I can really get to grips with it all. I must keep the original > one since friends and family know the URL and are now used to it. > Mustn't confuse them. > > So, any suggestions anyone? Preferably one in the area. I know that > that is not vital, just like to keep things local where I can. And one > that will not be scared off by the word Linux. > > Thanks > > Neil Winchurst > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 29 19:33:51 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:33:51 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803291203.02314.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803291533.52027.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 29 March 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > Plus only one post in every 142,000 isn't spam. > > Not even close. Yeah, that was like five years ago. It's probably only one in every 1.42 million that isn't spam now. :) (Or a troll. Same difference. I guess it was really the trolls more than spammers that sent me packing. They're all evil.) > Right. And of course they never learned to type, so they hunt & peck in > l33t. I can type full sentences faster than the kids type their > unintelligible shorthand. Exactly. Glad I'm not the only crotchety old bastard. -- D. Michael McIntyre From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 29 19:56:21 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:56:21 -0400 Subject: Any LEGO MINDSTORM NXT users here? In-Reply-To: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> References: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> Message-ID: <200803291556.21431.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> > Any tips on how to get my brick detected via USB? As I'm ready to make > the Terminator storyline a reality ;P OK, I got around to playing with this, and haven't had any luck at all. The kernel sees it, but nothing happens. I found some bit about putting $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-lego.rules # Lego NXT BUS="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}="0694", MODE="0666" but that didn't help anything, even after restarting udev. I thought I'd try my luck with NXC anyway, but in spite of the nice API guide and everything, it lacks fundamental instructions, like how to compile a program, or how to talk to the brick. Everything is based around using the Bricx GUI thing that only runs on Windows, and apparently does that kind of thing for you. After poking around with this off and on all day, I have concluded it that this is for people with many orders of magnitude more patience and determination than I can muster. I pronounce it a hopeless lost cause. -- D. Michael McIntyre From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 20:01:13 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:01:13 -0600 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <1409588.iT0626Mjzl@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803282228.54284.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1409588.iT0626Mjzl@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <47EEA009.8030605@gmail.com> Derek Broughton said the following at 03/29/2008 06:39 AM : > LOL. I'm perplexed by what appears to me to be a resurgence of IRC for > support - essentially, ever since I started using Ubuntu, where the devs > use IRC a lot, I've been finding more and more software projects using IRC. > I hate it - I can't stand the interleaving of discussion. Unlike At least it's better than web fora. At least, I assume it is. Since kopete won't let me log in to freenode (mentioned on a thread here a while ago), I haven't been bothered to try a different client, so I don't actually have first-hand knowledge of IRC since sometime in the mid 80s. I can't think of a single advantage of a web forum over an e-mail reflector like this one. And I can think of several disadvantages. I hate the things. Now back to your regularly-scheduled programming. Doc From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Mar 29 20:08:02 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:08:02 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803291533.52027.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803291533.52027.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200803291608.03156.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Sat March 29 2008 3:33:51 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 29 March 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > Plus only one post in every 142,000 isn't spam. > > > > Not even close. > > Yeah, that was like five years ago. It's probably only one in every 1.42 > million that isn't spam now. :) (Or a troll. Same difference. I guess > it was really the trolls more than spammers that sent me packing. They're > all evil.) > > > Right. And of course they never learned to type, so they hunt & peck in > > l33t. I can type full sentences faster than the kids type their > > unintelligible shorthand. > > Exactly. > > Glad I'm not the only crotchety old bastard. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre I am a crotchety old-ish bastard myself, and I find freenode's irc (and not the other cesspool irc servers) to be rather exactly unlike the stereotypical irc hell other places are. As a matter of fact, imo the #kubuntu-* channels for example are much friendlier than , say, this mailing list is at its worst :) And this is a pretty friendly list overall. I use each form of help channel as needed, whether email list, forum posts, or irc chat. I don't seem to have a real preference of one or the other really. -- Clay Weber http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 20:15:00 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:15:00 +0100 Subject: Sound problem on kubuntu 8.4b In-Reply-To: <200803281922.24815.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <7bed7c6d0803270541v446b5efdg897ffe13bbae19f1@mail.gmail.com> <200803272236.12551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <7bed7c6d0803281517i795b0165x426e49f2af41a15b@mail.gmail.com> <200803281922.24815.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/29, D. Michael McIntyre : > On Friday 28 March 2008, Stefano Diem wrote: > > > I don't get anything from lsmod|grep snd... > > Don't know what it means but it seems bad > > > No ALSA modules loaded. That and no devices in /dev either spell your sound > is busted badly enough that I think if I were facing that, I'd be preparing > to do a clean install. > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > Perhaps his alsa packages got uninstalled in the upgrade. Check in your apt-manager what packages related to alsa you got installed. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Mar 29 20:24:49 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:24:49 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803291533.52027.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803291533.52027.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <200803291624.49784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 29 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >On Saturday 29 March 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > Plus only one post in every 142,000 isn't spam. >> >> Not even close. > >Yeah, that was like five years ago. It's probably only one in every 1.42 >million that isn't spam now. :) (Or a troll. Same difference. I guess it >was really the trolls more than spammers that sent me packing. They're all >evil.) > >> Right. And of course they never learned to type, so they hunt & peck in >> l33t. I can type full sentences faster than the kids type their >> unintelligible shorthand. > >Exactly. > >Glad I'm not the only crotchety old bastard. Yeah, but you are just an apprentice in the 'old' dept. ;-) >-- >D. Michael McIntyre -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Bachelor: A man who chases women and never Mrs. one. From michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com Sat Mar 29 20:40:42 2008 From: michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com (D. Michael McIntyre) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:40:42 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803291624.49784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803291533.52027.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200803291624.49784.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200803291640.43029.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> On Saturday 29 March 2008, Gene Heskett wrote: > >Glad I'm not the only crotchety old bastard. > > Yeah, but you are just an apprentice in the 'old' dept. ;-) You do have a point there. I only feel old. You really are. :) -- D. Michael McIntyre From nixternal at kubuntu.org Sat Mar 29 20:48:36 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:48:36 -0500 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803291250.33483.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1409588.iT0626Mjzl@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803291250.33483.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200803291548.36435.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Saturday 29 March 2008, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] | I was there Thursday, and while there were 400 bots logged in, apparently | no humans, so after 10 minutes of having my question ignored, I left. #kubuntu has 1 bot, ubotu. #ubuntu has a couple of flood protection bots and then ubotu. Typically support for Ubuntu is easier as their channel is usually a lot more busy than #kubuntu. Not everybody lives on IRC and at times IRC may not even be the best support option, that is why we provide Ubuntu Forums, Kubuntu Forums, a developers wiki, a community documentation wiki. LP Answer Tracker as well as this mailing list. If you ask a question and nobody answers it, it isn't being ignored. It could simply mean 1 of 2 things. Either nobody is around/active during the time you were in there or the people who were in there didn't know the answer to your question. Just like every other form of support in the world, patience goes a long way. | If they are gonna do support on IRC, there really should be someone | available. Remember, everyone on IRC is there during their free time, none of us are getting paid anything to sit in an IRC channel and field questions. A majority of the people in these IRC channels have lives, with the exception of me obviously. Like I said previously, patience goes a long way when it comes to getting support no matter the operating system, software, hardware, or whatever it is you are seeking the support for. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried copying > ~/.kde/env/apps/kabc, but that was obviously not enough. > > PPS FWIW, my googling brought up several versions of this same question, > but without any responses :-( > Hey! ~/.kde/env/ subfolders is for settings and not store data. The folder you looking for i think (unchecked) is ~/.kde/share/apps/kaddressbook. But what you realy want is a way to sync your data between these machines. If you using IMAP you can store your resources online on the IMAP server, look at this http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng/kontact-imap-clients.html If you have gmail you can sync you contacts and calendar with Gcaldaemon http://gcaldaemon.sourceforge.net/ a little howto here http://lifehacker.com/software/google-calendar/geek-to-live--sync-google-calendar-and-gmail-contacts-to-your-desktop-251279.php Hope it will help / Jonas From nixternal at kubuntu.org Sat Mar 29 20:52:01 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:52:01 -0500 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803291256.42910.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <6286814.JjpaH8iygW@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803291256.42910.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200803291552.02074.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Saturday 29 March 2008, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] | And BitchX doesn't seem to be available for fedora 8 (this box) so I could | try it. BitchX is dead, that is the reason you aren't finding it in the distros these days. If you do, well then something needs to be said to the developers, especially considering the amount of takeovers that BitchX client endured during its tenure. If you download BitchX from the Internet, there is no telling if you are getting the real client or if you are getting a rootkit. If a command line client is your cup of tea, then nothing can touch irssi. Another one that has become fairly popular of late is weechat for the command line. | Choices are pidgin, epic, lostirc and xchat. Pulling them all. Maybe one | will pull my trigger... The best GUI client there is due to the amount of possibilities it has, is KVIRC. It is a KDE based client, is in the Fedora and Kubuntu repos. Pretty much everything you can do with irssi you can do with KVIRC, just graphically. It can be mesmerizing though considering the amount of configurations and possibilities, but that is KDE for ya :) -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nixternal at kubuntu.org Sat Mar 29 20:57:33 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:57:33 -0500 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803291203.02314.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200803291557.33674.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Saturday 29 March 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: [...] | > Plus only one post in every 142,000 isn't spam. Seeing as I maintain quite a few mailing lists for Ubuntu, I would have to disagree with this statement. I would say 2 in 142,000, or 1 in every 71,000 isn't spam :p | Not even close. You just have to use a reliable news service. However, I | wasn't really thinking of Usenet, but either dedicated NNTP servers (as | some vendors use) or gated news like gmane - which is strictly mail lists, | but slower :-). People still use usenet? I mean of course except for that pr0n stuff. [...] | Right. And of course they never learned to type, so they hunt & peck in | l33t. I can type full sentences faster than the kids type their | unintelligible shorthand. I haven't seen this type of communication standard except in Enter The Game and other sub par IRC servers that aren't Freenode or OFTC. Most of the responses I see in the channels are fairly quick as long as someone is around to answer. [...] | I hate phones, too - but at least we don't use party lines anymore, which | is what ICQ is. +1 :) | > I guess I'm just a crotchety old bastard. | | No guess at all! I recognize the type from personal experience :-) I know I am crotchety :p -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nixternal at kubuntu.org Sat Mar 29 21:04:12 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:04:12 -0500 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <47EEA009.8030605@gmail.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1409588.iT0626Mjzl@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EEA009.8030605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803291604.13197.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Saturday 29 March 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: [...] | At least, I assume it is. Since kopete won't let me log in to freenode | (mentioned on a thread here a while ago), I haven't been bothered to try a | different client, so I don't actually have first-hand knowledge of IRC | since sometime in the mid 80s. Hate to burst your bubble, but in the mid 80s, you were more than likely using MUT on BBS (does this show my age?) :) If you were one of the lucky few who got on IRC around 1989 (I think this is when it came out) then you knew some people. I don't think I hopped on IRC until around 1994 when I was in the military, and it was impossible for us to access BBS servers. /me goes back to McDonalds for his senior citizen coffee -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nixternal at kubuntu.org Sat Mar 29 21:05:23 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:05:23 -0500 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803291608.03156.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803291533.52027.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <200803291608.03156.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200803291605.23958.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Saturday 29 March 2008, claydoh wrote: [...] | I am a crotchety old-ish bastard myself, and I find freenode's irc (and not | the other cesspool irc servers) to be rather exactly unlike the | stereotypical irc hell other places are. As a matter of fact, imo the | #kubuntu-* channels for example are much friendlier than , say, this | mailing list is at its worst :) And this is a pretty friendly list overall. I agree with everything here, and I can attest to his 'crotchety old-ish' comment as well :p | I use each form of help channel as needed, whether email list, forum posts, | or irc chat. I don't seem to have a real preference of one or the other | really. I think we need to get Jucato back and active again! -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Mar 29 21:09:34 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:09:34 -0400 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803291605.23958.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803291608.03156.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200803291605.23958.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <200803291709.34324.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Sat March 29 2008 5:05:23 pm Richard A. Johnson wrote: > > I think we need to get Jucato back and active again! Naw, he's waaay to young :) -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com http://emacdogsports.com From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 21:39:58 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:39:58 +0100 Subject: Q: copying all the kontact info from one machine to another In-Reply-To: <47EE7102.4010807@gmail.com> References: <47EE7102.4010807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803292239.59063.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Saturday 29 March 2008 17:40:34 D. R. Evans wrote: > Does anyone know how to transfer all the kontact information easily from > one computer to another? > > At a minimum, just the contact info from kontact would be a good start, > although it would be nice to also have all the rest of the stuff > (calendars, to-dos) copied as well. There's quite a few bits and pieces and I've often wished for a simpler way, sort of the one that evolution has now. Let's see... you want data and configurations I guess. A little script would be useful. Anyway I've done it - no script - so I could point out all (hopefully) you need. Shall I do that? Briefly, all data is in ~/kde/share/apps and config in ~/.kde/share/config. -- lanzen From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 21:42:17 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:42:17 +0100 Subject: Q: copying all the kontact info from one machine to another In-Reply-To: References: <47EE7102.4010807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803292242.18071.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Saturday 29 March 2008 21:49:35 Jonas Norlander wrote: > ~/.kde/share/apps/kaddressbook. No, that's empty in kubuntu. You want ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc (the whole dir). -- lanzen From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Mar 29 21:35:35 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:35:35 -0300 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803291203.02314.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803291557.33674.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <1286652.RR0Wnf3smA@cedar.serverforest.com> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > On Saturday 29 March 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > [...] > | > Plus only one post in every 142,000 isn't spam. > > Seeing as I maintain quite a few mailing lists for Ubuntu, I would have to > disagree with this statement. I would say 2 in 142,000, or 1 in every > 71,000 isn't spam :p Well, we were talking about Usenet, and while that might be true of the posts actually submitted to nntp, if you go through a good service like Individual.net, they manage to catch the vast majority of it. > | Not even close. You just have to use a reliable news service. However, > | I wasn't really thinking of Usenet, but either dedicated NNTP servers > | (as some vendors use) or gated news like gmane - which is strictly mail > | lists, but slower :-). > > People still use usenet? I mean of course except for that pr0n stuff. Individual.net doesn't even carry the pr0n stuff - which no doubt accounts for its general reliability - and is _very_ busy. There's lots of Usenet around still. -- derek From teonimesic at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 21:48:18 2008 From: teonimesic at gmail.com (Stefano Diem) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:48:18 -0300 Subject: Sound problem on kubuntu 8.4b In-Reply-To: References: <7bed7c6d0803270541v446b5efdg897ffe13bbae19f1@mail.gmail.com> <200803272236.12551.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <7bed7c6d0803281517i795b0165x426e49f2af41a15b@mail.gmail.com> <200803281922.24815.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <7bed7c6d0803291448n4de40534m932e618170f7608f@mail.gmail.com> Packages related to alsa: alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils alsamixergui gnome-alsamixer gstramer0.10-alsa libasound2 libesd-alsa2 lisdl1.2debian-alsa linux-sound-base xfce4-mixer-alsa Since i haven't found a way to make the sound work, i just decided for a clean install, which is working normally. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk Sat Mar 29 22:26:24 2008 From: ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk (Ronnie Tucker) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:26:24 +0000 Subject: Any LEGO MINDSTORM NXT users here? In-Reply-To: <200803291556.21431.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <47ED8E88.4010206@ronnietucker.co.uk> <200803291556.21431.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <47EEC210.5030201@ronnietucker.co.uk> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > OK, I got around to playing with this, and haven't had any luck at all. The > kernel sees it, but nothing happens. I found some bit about putting > > $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-lego.rules > # Lego NXT > BUS="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}="0694", MODE="0666" > > but that didn't help anything, even after restarting udev. > Ditto I'm afraid to say. I tried that version and also another version similar idea but the 'BUS="usb"...' line was different. Still no go. > I thought I'd try my luck with NXC anyway, but in spite of the nice API guide > and everything, it lacks fundamental instructions, like how to compile a > program, or how to talk to the brick. Everything is based around using the > Bricx GUI thing that only runs on Windows, and apparently does that kind of > thing for you. > Compiling a program is easy enough. You write the program in a text editor, save it as a .nxc file then compile it using the command: nbc filename.nxc -O=filename.rxe The .rxe file will be in the same directory as the .nxc file. But how to get the .rxe to the brick... that's the tricky bit! I even tried tinkering with Bluetooth today to try and get a BT connection. Nearly got it. PC can see the brick and the brick can see the PC but I'll be damned if I could pair them up and get a connection (even using the default passcode of 1234). Something about having to set up a virtual serial connection or some such nonsense :/ I've left a post in an NXT forum that I know the author of the book 'NXT Power Programming' (which I bought) frequents, so hopefully he can shed some light on it, but you're right, even the book (mentioned above, written by the guy who upkeeps NXC) talks about the GUI more than the commands... > After poking around with this off and on all day, I have concluded it that > this is for people with many orders of magnitude more patience and > determination than I can muster. > > I pronounce it a hopeless lost cause. > I'm about to join you on that soon... :D -- Ronnie Tucker ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk www.RonnieTucker.co.uk Skype : ronnietucker Jabber: ronnietucker at jabber.org Registered Linux User # 456627 Registered Ubuntu User # 18227 From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 23:56:53 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:56:53 -0600 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <200803291604.13197.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1409588.iT0626Mjzl@cedar.serverforest.com> <47EEA009.8030605@gmail.com> <200803291604.13197.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <47EED745.9010409@gmail.com> Richard A. Johnson said the following at 03/29/2008 03:04 PM : > | different client, so I don't actually have first-hand knowledge of IRC > | since sometime in the mid 80s. > > Hate to burst your bubble, but in the mid 80s, you were more than likely using > MUT on BBS (does this show my age?) :) > Might have been the late 80s; I get a bit confused at stuff that happened so long ago. I know that the machine on which I first used it was decommissioned before, or possibly during, 1990. We didn't use IRC for BBSes; it was when I was doing experimental work on TCP/IP before it was obvious that that was going to be the protocol of the future, and we tested a bunch or higher-level protocols, some of which are still around and many of which have died. (More or less the same time as C++ came along and it before it was obvious that that was going to be a major language.) > > /me goes back to McDonalds for his senior citizen coffee > > While I read my copy of AARP magazine. Doc From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 00:43:04 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:43:04 +0100 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <1286652.RR0Wnf3smA@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803291203.02314.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803291557.33674.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <1286652.RR0Wnf3smA@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: 2008/3/29, Derek Broughton : > Richard A. Johnson wrote: > > > On Saturday 29 March 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > [...] > > | > Plus only one post in every 142,000 isn't spam. > > > > Seeing as I maintain quite a few mailing lists for Ubuntu, I would have to > > disagree with this statement. I would say 2 in 142,000, or 1 in every > > 71,000 isn't spam :p > > > Well, we were talking about Usenet, and while that might be true of the > posts actually submitted to nntp, if you go through a good service like > Individual.net, they manage to catch the vast majority of it. > > > > | Not even close. You just have to use a reliable news service. However, > > | I wasn't really thinking of Usenet, but either dedicated NNTP servers > > | (as some vendors use) or gated news like gmane - which is strictly mail > > | lists, but slower :-). > > > > People still use usenet? I mean of course except for that pr0n stuff. > > > Individual.net doesn't even carry the pr0n stuff - which no doubt accounts > for its general reliability - and is _very_ busy. There's lots of Usenet > around still. > > -- > derek > Google groups isn't that usenet but with a web interface? From dave6502 at googlemail.com Sun Mar 30 08:51:50 2008 From: dave6502 at googlemail.com (dave selby) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:51:50 +0100 Subject: best way to upgrade to Hardy Message-ID: Hi all, I have a kubuntu system that I want to upgrade to Hardy, I know its not quite ready :). Is there a way of getting adept to do this or is it changing sources.list and apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade ? Cheers dave -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From senectus at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 09:44:40 2008 From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:44:40 +0900 Subject: best way to upgrade to Hardy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 5:51 PM, dave selby wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a kubuntu system that I want to upgrade to Hardy, I know its > not quite ready :). Is there a way of getting adept to do this or is > it changing sources.list and apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade ? > > Cheers > > dave Follow the following instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu >From my point of view its pretty hard to tell that it's a Beta. Damn high quality on the Gnome version. -- Ubuntu Hardy 8.04 The less you know, the more you believe. - Bono The more you know the less you need to say. - Jim Rohn "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" :-P From hunkumori at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 09:58:01 2008 From: hunkumori at gmail.com (hunkumori) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:58:01 +0200 Subject: best way to upgrade to Hardy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47EF6429.6070408@gmail.com> dave selby írta: > Hi all, > > I have a kubuntu system that I want to upgrade to Hardy, I know its > not quite ready :). Is there a way of getting adept to do this or is > it changing sources.list and apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade ? > > Cheers > > dave > > > Hello There is an option for it, for Ubuntu / Synaptic. But not for Adept. Maybe there is an option, just I don't know about it. Maybe "gksu synaptic -dist-upgrade-devel" or something similar. Others will know it I think. By the way, Trey on HUP.hu made the upgrade with the sources.list editing, apt-get update + dist-upgrade, and it worked like a charm. So give it a try. (By the way, maybe you should wait for the final. It's not worth it. Why do you upgrade your pc to a beta software, when the final is next around the corner. Only 2 weeks(or 3..)) From dave6502 at googlemail.com Sun Mar 30 10:26:51 2008 From: dave6502 at googlemail.com (dave selby) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:26:51 +0100 Subject: best way to upgrade to Hardy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many thanks :) Dave On 30/03/2008, Senectus . wrote: > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 5:51 PM, dave selby wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have a kubuntu system that I want to upgrade to Hardy, I know its > > not quite ready :). Is there a way of getting adept to do this or is > > it changing sources.list and apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade ? > > > > Cheers > > > > dave > > Follow the following instructions > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu > From my point of view its pretty hard to tell that it's a Beta. Damn > high quality on the Gnome version. > > > -- > Ubuntu Hardy 8.04 > The less you know, the more you believe. - Bono > The more you know the less you need to say. - Jim Rohn > "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" :-P > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From dave6502 at googlemail.com Sun Mar 30 10:29:30 2008 From: dave6502 at googlemail.com (dave selby) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:29:30 +0100 Subject: best way to upgrade to Hardy In-Reply-To: <47EF6429.6070408@gmail.com> References: <47EF6429.6070408@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > (By the way, maybe you should wait for the final. It's not worth it. Why > do you upgrade your pc to a beta software, when the final is next around > the corner. Only 2 weeks(or 3..)) I have to do some software development using QT4, I know it might be risky but its on a dev system that has been hacked & hacked. If it falls over I will fresh install. But thanks for your concern Cheers Dave From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Mar 30 10:57:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:57:19 -0300 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200803291203.02314.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> <1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com> <200803291557.33674.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <1286652.RR0Wnf3smA@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <8267691.s8MCGjDh1P@cedar.serverforest.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/3/29, Derek Broughton : >> There's lots of Usenet around still. > > Google groups isn't that usenet but with a web interface? Yes - the worst of both worlds :-) There are actually pure Google groups, and usenet-gated groups. -- derek From girardhenri at free.fr Sun Mar 30 12:05:41 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:05:41 +0200 Subject: konversation keeps getting owned In-Reply-To: <8267691.s8MCGjDh1P@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200803282219.51426.gene.heskett@verizon.net><200803291203.02314.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com><1355871.cDTGJ4MdqD@cedar.serverforest.com><200803291557.33674.nixternal@kubuntu.org><1286652.RR0Wnf3smA@cedar.serverforest.com> <8267691.s8MCGjDh1P@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <1E285B3781F742E192B39F7050A4F1CD@PCderiri> the best way is in a shell : adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel and in adept click in update button You can too in your source.list change all gusty (or anything) with hardy but the first way is the best cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Broughton" To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: konversation keeps getting owned > Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> 2008/3/29, Derek Broughton : > >>> There's lots of Usenet around still. >> >> Google groups isn't that usenet but with a web interface? > > Yes - the worst of both worlds :-) > > There are actually pure Google groups, and usenet-gated groups. > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From Technowizard at gmx.net Sun Mar 30 18:24:36 2008 From: Technowizard at gmx.net (Jan Michelsburg) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:24:36 +0200 Subject: best way to upgrade to Hardy In-Reply-To: <47EF6429.6070408@gmail.com> References: <47EF6429.6070408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803302024.37078.Technowizard@gmx.net> Am Sonntag, 30. März 2008 11:58:01 schrieb hunkumori: > dave selby írta: > > Hi all, > > > > I have a kubuntu system that I want to upgrade to Hardy, I know its > > not quite ready :). Is there a way of getting adept to do this or is > > it changing sources.list and apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade ? > > > > Cheers > > > > dave > > Hello > > There is an option for it, for Ubuntu / Synaptic. But not for Adept. > Maybe there is an option, just I don't know about it. Maybe "gksu > synaptic -dist-upgrade-devel" or something similar. Others will know it > I think. By the way, Trey on HUP.hu made the upgrade with the > sources.list editing, apt-get update + dist-upgrade, and it worked like > a charm. So give it a try. > > (By the way, maybe you should wait for the final. It's not worth it. Why > do you upgrade your pc to a beta software, when the final is next around > the corner. Only 2 weeks(or 3..)) Best idea is to use the way described on www.kubuntu.org: kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" Jan From dgvirtual at akl.lt Sun Mar 30 21:26:50 2008 From: dgvirtual at akl.lt (Donatas G.) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:26:50 +0300 Subject: USB Modem with Linux In-Reply-To: <47ECEA02.7050402@btconnect.com> References: <47ECEA02.7050402@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <200803310026.50639.dgvirtual@akl.lt> On Friday 28 March 2008 14:52:18 John Hansen rašė: > I have been trying to establish whether the USB modem which the various > mobile phone companies promote will work with Linux. I am told by the > companies that they will not as there is a problem with drivers. Others > maintain that they do work straight out of the box. I have some experience with icon globesurfer 3G modems, connected via usb. They do work, you just have to find a little program that swithces those from usb flash memory mode to modem mode. Otherwise, they work out of the box. I used a small file icon_switch.c that I downloaded from somewhere - guess google knows where from. -- Donatas Glodenis http://dg.lapas.info From doc.evans at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 22:22:42 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:22:42 -0600 Subject: Q: copying all the kontact info from one machine to another In-Reply-To: <200803292242.18071.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <47EE7102.4010807@gmail.com> <200803292242.18071.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F012B2.9010602@gmail.com> lanzen said the following at 03/29/2008 03:42 PM : > On Saturday 29 March 2008 21:49:35 Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> ~/.kde/share/apps/kaddressbook. > > No, that's empty in kubuntu. You want ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc (the whole dir). > Nope, I must need more than that. I already tried duplicating: ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc ~/.kde/share/config/kaddressbook ~/.kde/share/apps/kaddressbook_addrconfig and that's not enough. Doc From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 30 23:01:14 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:01:14 -0400 Subject: USB Modem with Linux In-Reply-To: <200803310026.50639.dgvirtual@akl.lt> References: <47ECEA02.7050402@btconnect.com> <200803310026.50639.dgvirtual@akl.lt> Message-ID: <47F01BBA.1070309@sbcglobal.net> Donatas G. wrote: > On Friday 28 March 2008 14:52:18 John Hansen rašė: > >> I have been trying to establish whether the USB modem which the various >> mobile phone companies promote will work with Linux. I am told by the >> companies that they will not as there is a problem with drivers. Others >> maintain that they do work straight out of the box. >> > > I have some experience with icon globesurfer 3G modems, connected via usb. > They do work, you just have to find a little program that swithces those from > usb flash memory mode to modem mode. Otherwise, they work out of the box. > > I used a small file icon_switch.c that I downloaded from somewhere - guess > google knows where from. > > If the modem is used for internet, I have a Motorola that works straight out of the box for AT&T DSL service. It functions perfectly on Gutsy Kubuntu. Hope this is useful to you. Steven From lanzenesi at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 07:41:11 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:41:11 +0200 Subject: Q: copying all the kontact info from one machine to another In-Reply-To: <47F012B2.9010602@gmail.com> References: <47EE7102.4010807@gmail.com> <200803292242.18071.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47F012B2.9010602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803310941.11906.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Monday 31 March 2008 00:22:42 D. R. Evans wrote: > Nope, I must need more than that. > > I already tried duplicating: >   ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc >   ~/.kde/share/config/kaddressbook >   ~/.kde/share/apps/kaddressbook_addrconfig Allright, let's see... Config, files: ~/.kde/share/config/akregatorrc ~/.kde/share/config/emaildefaults ~/.kde/share/config/emailidentities ~/.kde/share/config/kab2kabcrc ~/.kde/share/config/kaddressbookrc ~/.kde/share/config/kcmkmailsummaryrc ~/.kde/share/config/kcmkorgsummaryrc ~/.kde/share/config/kcmsdsummaryrc ~/.kde/share/config/kmail.eventsrc ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc ~/.kde/share/config/kmailsnippetrc ~/.kde/share/config/knoderc (KNode, if used) ~/.kde/share/config/kontactrc ~/.kde/share/config/kontact_summaryrc ~/.kde/share/config/korgacrc ~/.kde/share/config/korganizerrc ~/.kde/share/config/kpgprc (KPGP, if used) ~/.kde/share/apps/ Config, dirs - Not sure if these are needed: ~/.kde/share/config/kresources ~/.kde/share/config/kresourcesNew Apps: ~/.kde/share/apps/akregator ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail ~/.kde/share/apps/knode (KNode, if used) ~/.kde/share/apps/knotes ~/.kde/share/apps/kontact ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet I hope I have not left anything out. It could be nice to make a script that gzips all that. Oh, er... you might as well compress and save the all of ~/.kde. I bet it wouldn't be much of a large file if it wasn't for ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail ;) -- lanzen From eagles051387 at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 10:54:43 2008 From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jon Aquilina) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:54:43 +0200 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 38, Issue 60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: re msg 2 the only way u can duel boot is install kubuntu first then reinstall vista. did duel boot for a friend and it ended up messing up his vista install. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:44 AM, wrote: > Send kubuntu-users mailing list submissions to > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kubuntu-users-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kubuntu-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? (Scott) > 2. Re: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? > (Hans Henry von Tresckow) > 3. Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P > (Doug Stryjew) > 4. Re: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P > (Constantinos Maltezos) > 5. Re: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P > (Doug Stryjew) > 6. Re: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P > (D. Michael McIntyre) > 7. Re: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P > (Doug Stryjew) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:54:47 -0400 > From: Scott > Subject: Re: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Message-ID: <47EAD437.5080509 at bmts.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Pascal d'Hermilly wrote: > > Dual booting is so last year ;-) > > I've been using Virtualbox for several months now. It works great. > > Virtualization is so much easier because you can work with both systems > > at the same time. > Yea, VirtualBox is great. The only problem with VirtualBox is that it > emulates a generic video card, so it is amazing at general apps, but not > for high end video games. > > -- > Your friend, > Scott > > Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 7.10 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:28:39 -0700 > From: "Hans Henry von Tresckow" > Subject: Re: Best directions for dual-booting with Vista? > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 1:43 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > > > I had to go out and buy a Vista laptop in a hurry this morning. > > > > Where do people think the best directions are to be found for installing > > kubuntu (32-bit gutsy) so that it dual-boots with the pre-installed > Vista? > > > > I've seen a few sets of directions, but I'd value any opinions as to the > > ones that are most likely to work. > > > > This is a 32-bit laptop (Toshiba Satellite A205-S5814). > > > > So far, all I've done is boot it. > > > > Doc > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > The one redeaming feature of Vista is that is can resize the C: drive > itself > :) > > I did that when I installed kubuntu on my new HP laptop > > 1) tell Vista that it only needs ~30GB or so of HD > 2) Set up a couple of partitions on the free space ( I did one for / , one > for /home and one for swap) > 3) Install Kubuntu and tell it to put grub on the MBR > 4) enjoy > > -- > Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080326/4c903258/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:30:36 -0400 > From: "Doug Stryjew" > Subject: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > <1835a15a0803261630o65aa043au74379fafeeeb04da at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Usually when you hear of resolution issues/problems you might think of > typical problems. (ex.. I just installed and my pc/laptop won't use the > proper resolution.) This is not the case here. First let me tell everyone > my > specs. > > Video Card: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M > > Driver: nvidia driver, downloaded from restricted driver manager > > Machine: Thinkpad T61p > > Laptop Screen: 15.4" Wide Screen WUXGA (1920x1200) > > Secondary Monitor: SCEPTRE WX24 (1920x1200) > > OS: 32 bit Gutsy Kubuntu > > All of my repositories are updated. > > I'll keep this part simple as it doesn't play a huge role in this problem. > > It is well documented that the T61P will not boot right off the start to a > working X. > > Before you log in you have to go into recovery mode and change the > xorg.conf. > By default it gives you the "nv" driver which simply will not work with > this > particular video card. According to many guides, including thinkwiki's you > have to change the driver to "vesa" in order to get X to start. I log in > and > everything is very tiny just like I wanted (And expected using such a high > resolution) Once I do that I update my repositories and once that is > complete I install the restricted "nvidia" driver. I check my xorg.conf to > verify the driver my card is using is "nvidia". > > I run glxinfo |grep ren > > And I have rendering. > > Here is my problem. When I power on I am prompted with a login screen like > usual. The second I enter my user credentials it's like everything just > gets > a little bit bigger. A big notification is my mouse icon, it will be very > tiny but when I login the mouse gets a little bit bigger. When I open up a > terminal I do not expect it to take up over 1/4 of the screen. I know I > can > change the font size of konsole as well as the whole scale of the window. > But it should not be this big. It should be very small. The monitor I have > plugged into the Thinkpad makes the applications look even bigger. The > weird > part is both of these screens are displaying the proper resolution. I have > worked with xorg.conf resolution problems a lot. I know when the screen > isn't displaying the right resolution. But even though the resolution is > set > correctly, everything appears to be big. Not streched out, using the wrong > resolution big, but wow these windows very large. I have searched my butt > off trying to find an answer and asked everyone I know who uses kubuntu > with > the nvidia driver (Which is a lot) and nobody seems to be able to offer > any > help. I realize the problem and the description doesn't make much sense > and > that is why it's hard to answer something you don't understand. But if I > had > to boil it down to a very short description I would say this. > > While my resolution is correct, everything seems to be rather large. At > the > login screen everything looks very nice and small. But the second I enter > my > password and login it's like the screen magnifies. I haven't found any > options in my nvidia-settings or kde window settings that described the > option I want to change. Which is to make everything not so big. > > So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put money > the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong with my > xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the wrong > resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just doesn't > seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe to a > mailing list and ask all of you. > > Any ideas? > > dok > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080326/e7b7b0ed/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:36:51 -0500 > From: Constantinos Maltezos > Subject: Re: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Message-ID: <200803261936.52010.pandarsson at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Wednesday 26 March 2008 6:30:36 Doug Stryjew wrote: > > So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put > money > > the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong with my > > xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the wrong > > resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just > doesn't > > seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe to a > > mailing list and ask all of you. > > > > Any ideas? > > What comes to mind for me would be some accessibility feature for people > with > poor eyesight that somehow managed to become activated on your system. > However, I don't know what that might be. I'm still searching, though. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:17:34 -0400 > From: "Doug Stryjew" > Subject: Re: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > Message-ID: > <1835a15a0803261817g72eb186ap83cbacce4ba6c231 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That's a great idea. I'm looking around in the accessibility options but > there doesn't seem to be any options for vision aide. Still looking > though. > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Constantinos Maltezos < > pandarsson at yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > On Wednesday 26 March 2008 6:30:36 Doug Stryjew wrote: > > > So yes, this sounds very strange and most people I talk to would put > > money > > > the resolution is not setup correctly or something is just wrong with > my > > > xorg.conf. It however is not. I know what a monitor running the wrong > > > resolution looks like and I am very familiar with this. There just > > doesn't > > > seem to be any documentation on my problem. I was told to subscribe to > a > > > mailing list and ask all of you. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > What comes to mind for me would be some accessibility feature for people > > with > > poor eyesight that somehow managed to become activated on your system. > > However, I don't know what that might be. I'm still searching, though. > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080326/20113beb/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:32:04 -0500 > From: "D. Michael McIntyre" > Subject: Re: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Message-ID: <200803262132.04637.michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > > On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Doug Stryjew wrote: > > Any ideas? > > Fonts a bit larger than normal, I'd say it's a dpi issue. > > You can see the dpi you're running at by running xdpyinfo|grep resolution > > resolution: 87x86 dots per inch > > Where to go from there, I'm starting to run into holes in my memory. I > haven't had to deal with this issue in a really long time. Also, I'm not > absolutely convinced that this is really your trouble, since you say it > affected lots more than font sizes. > > It was a thought anyway. I'm thinking your horizontal dpi should be > 124ish, > so if it's way off, maybe that's enough of a clue to incite further > digging. > > (I'm not in top form tonight. My brain is tired. Working for a living is > for > suckers. Anybody got a winning lottery ticket? I'll split it with you.) > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:44:30 -0400 > From: "Doug Stryjew" > Subject: Re: Resolution Issues Kubuntu Gutsy 32 bit Thinkpad T61P > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > Message-ID: > <1835a15a0803262044k1758c47cj349987f133bef406 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks for helping. Here is the output from that command: > > resolution: 147x145 dots per inch > > I'll do some research. Thanks again. > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:32 PM, D. Michael McIntyre < > michael.mcintyre at rosegardenmusic.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Doug Stryjew wrote: > > > Any ideas? > > > > Fonts a bit larger than normal, I'd say it's a dpi issue. > > > > You can see the dpi you're running at by running xdpyinfo|grep > resolution > > > > resolution: 87x86 dots per inch > > > > Where to go from there, I'm starting to run into holes in my memory. I > > haven't had to deal with this issue in a really long time. Also, I'm > not > > absolutely convinced that this is really your trouble, since you say it > > affected lots more than font sizes. > > > > It was a thought anyway. I'm thinking your horizontal dpi should be > > 124ish, > > so if it's way off, maybe that's enough of a clue to incite further > > digging. > > > > (I'm not in top form tonight. My brain is tired. Working for a living > is > > for > > suckers. Anybody got a winning lottery ticket? I'll split it with > you.) > > -- > > D. 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Evans) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:40:55 -0600 Subject: Q: copying all the kontact info from one machine to another In-Reply-To: <200803310941.11906.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <47EE7102.4010807@gmail.com> <200803292242.18071.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47F012B2.9010602@gmail.com> <200803310941.11906.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F0E9E7.2060409@gmail.com> lanzen said the following at 03/31/2008 01:41 AM : > On Monday 31 March 2008 00:22:42 D. R. Evans wrote: > >> Nope, I must need more than that. >> >> I already tried duplicating: >> � ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc >> � ~/.kde/share/config/kaddressbook >> � ~/.kde/share/apps/kaddressbook_addrconfig > > Allright, let's see... > [stuff elided] But but but.... I'm not trying to duplicate the KDE environment. All I want is my stupid list of contacts. I already have, for example, a different wallet and notes, so I definitely don't want to be replacing those. Doc From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 14:26:49 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:26:49 -0600 Subject: Q: copying all the kontact info from one machine to another In-Reply-To: <47F0E9E7.2060409@gmail.com> References: <47EE7102.4010807@gmail.com> <200803292242.18071.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47F012B2.9010602@gmail.com> <200803310941.11906.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <47F0E9E7.2060409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F0F4A9.5060503@gmail.com> D. R. Evans said the following at 03/31/2008 07:40 AM : > lanzen said the following at 03/31/2008 01:41 AM : >> On Monday 31 March 2008 00:22:42 D. R. Evans wrote: >> >>> Nope, I must need more than that. >>> >>> I already tried duplicating: >>> � ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc >>> � ~/.kde/share/config/kaddressbook >>> � ~/.kde/share/apps/kaddressbook_addrconfig This thread is now moot (I am about to pack up the laptop and get on a plane, without my contact list working), although it still would be nice to know exactly which files/directories need to be transferred, because someone else is bound to have this question sometime, and I hate to leave threads here without a documented resolution. Doc From lacsilva at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 14:44:50 2008 From: lacsilva at gmail.com (=?utf-8?q?Lu=C3=ADs_Silva?=) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:44:50 +0200 Subject: Q: copying all the kontact info from one machine to another In-Reply-To: <47F0F4A9.5060503@gmail.com> References: <47EE7102.4010807@gmail.com> <47F0E9E7.2060409@gmail.com> <47F0F4A9.5060503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803311644.50409.lacsilva@gmail.com> Hi! Your address book, if you took the standard, lies in this file: ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf All your contacts are there. As a safety measure you may want to copy the entire ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/ folder but for your pourposes I don't think it is needed. The Apps: section of lanzen's response contains all the folders you need to copy. Having copied them to a pen-disk or some other storage you can just import that information from within the application. Unfortunately there is no unified way to import/export all your pim data in one go. You may want to fill a bug/wish for that. I hope it's not too late for this to help. -- Luís A. C. Silva lacsilva at gmail.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/S d()>$ s: a? C+++(+++)$>+++ UL+++ P@ L+++(+++)$>+++ !E---(---)>--- W++(++)>++ !N !o K--? !w---(---)?>--- O-(-) !M-(-)>- !V PS++(+) PE Y+ PGP- t+>$ 5++ X++ !R? tv b++ DI+++(++)>+ !D G+ e+++? h?>$ !r?* !y** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From lanzenesi at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 15:19:21 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:19:21 +0200 Subject: Q: copying all the kontact info from one machine to another In-Reply-To: <200803311644.50409.lacsilva@gmail.com> References: <47EE7102.4010807@gmail.com> <47F0F4A9.5060503@gmail.com> <200803311644.50409.lacsilva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803311719.21485.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Monday 31 March 2008 16:44:50 Luís Silva wrote: > Hi! Your address book, if you took the standard, lies in this file: > ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf Oh yes, of course: that could be easily imported in kontact. -- lanzen