From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jun 1 00:11:17 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:11:17 -0300 Subject: Sudo Failing References: <001301c8c071$906ba3f0$b142ebd0$@com> <6bb416800805310713g79848233k85e18572eb4f3548@mail.gmail.com> <48415FCF.3050001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1929438.QRkZEg4mgO@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: >>> >>> Specifically, I get messages, whenever I need to access Sudo, to the >>> effect >>> that it either failed or returns an error. This is after I input my >>> password. >>> > > yes, sometimes when the network cable is unplugged i get this unable to > resolve hostname error, and loose sudo access, it is very annoying, > since at certain times i move my PC to somewhere far from the hub! I get the message all the time (after start up/resume it takes quite a while for my wireless to establish a connection), but it doesn't prevent using sudo. Do you have /etc/sudoers configured to only permit access from specific hosts? > - -- > > - --- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net Willy, sigs begin with "-- " (two hyphens and a space). Please fix yours, so that people with smart mail & news readers will trim them. -- derek From grey at dmiyu.org Sun Jun 1 10:15:01 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:15:01 -0700 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Don't compare apples with pears, please! I won't. This is purely apples to apples comparison. One sucks, the other doesn't. See? > KDE4 is still in heavy development, and it never has been announced to > be finished yet, so please give the developers time to polish that! Sorry, not only do their version numbers say otherwise so do their own announcements. http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ So I should, and will, be quite upset about their lack of even basic usability like moving buttons on the bottom bar. > If you can't run KDE4 decently then you must have a problem with your > installation that usually is sorted out with a clean install Tell that to the OP. Furthermore are you really suggesting a clean install because I accidentally removed my K button and can't move it on the bar? Do you consider that reasonable for RELEASED software? I don't. > Also, there is a change in the way computers will work in the future > and how GUIs are designed, based on intense usability research, a > change you can see the beginning of in KDE4. This is usability? Konqueror replaced with Dolphin which was pretty much universally panned on every Linux list I've read. Complete with its inability to save preferences. A kicker bar where you can't move the buttons? Icons which are resizable but no way to set them to a default size? Or my personal favorite, icons which POP up actions like a Ritalin-deprived ADD 5 year old screaming, "Ooo, pick me, pick me!! ME!! PICK ME!!!!!!" None of that is what I would call "usability". Every piece of it is distracting or flat out broken. > What do you expect, that developers stay behind mayor evolution in > desktop design? When that "mayor [sic] evolution" is a huge step backwards... YES! When the idea that removing /major/ portions of a program's functionality is considered advancement I expect them to tell the marketing drones where to shove their usability studies. I don't need dumbed down programs. I need more powerful programs. > try to understand what the > computers of the 21st century will look like or stay put with the "old > way". Try to understand that programs are regressing in functionality? Why? > And if you read a little info coming from the developers, be this on > kde.org or planetkde.org, you might eventually change your mind and > understand why KDE 4 is at the current state. Gnome is not near in > ages to that GUI changes we need to do to catch up with the modern > world :) Why would I want to read what they say when it is evident that they have lost it after 3.5? They *RELEASED* this tripe which is on par with a typical Microsoft release. Apparently not only did they want to mirror Vista's eyecandy they also wanted to mirror Vista's BUGINESS. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? 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Now, I /could/ resolve this by putting an entry in /etc/fstab but since I got my hand slapped for daring to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 with 'aptitude full-upgrade' I'm trying to hold off and do this the KUbuntu way. In a moment of cattiness let me say this... Dolphin does have an option to set the drive to automount. It even asks for my password since it is doing something sudo-rific. Like much else in Dolphin, it doesn't work. I am /SO/ glad it's there and we're forced to use it. So, anyway, what's the KUbuntu way to get the drive to automount for the user? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 01/06/2008, Steve Lamb wrote: > Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > > KDE4 is still in heavy development, and it never has been announced to > > be finished yet, so please give the developers time to polish that! > > > Sorry, not only do their version numbers say otherwise so do their own > announcements. > > http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ Version number: what should they have used then, 3.9.9.9.9 whatever? If you read the announcement carefully, it states: "The beginning of the KDE 4 era", and it definitely is not a 3.x release at all, as the underlying technology is different. I scanned through that announcement again and it never states anywhere that this is a finished product... > > So I should, and will, be quite upset about their lack of even basic > usability like moving buttons on the bottom bar. These are not just buttons, but plasma widgets (stated in the announcement BTW), so yes, they can not be moved around (yet), but you can easily install/remove whatever button you like if you right click on the status bar and choose the "add widget" option. > > > If you can't run KDE4 decently then you must have a problem with your > > installation that usually is sorted out with a clean install > > Tell that to the OP. Furthermore are you really suggesting a clean > install because I accidentally removed my K button and can't move it on the > bar? I didn't, BTW, but from your mail it was not obvious that you didn't try the "add widget" option, so if you say "I can't" this means for me: "doesn't work", not "didn't try", hence I understood that your system must be broken, as it works fine for me. > > Do you consider that reasonable for RELEASED software? I don't. Se above. Released software never means that you get a finished and perfect product, and we do talk about Free Software here. In my experience, every beta release in a Free Software product was better than an "finished" proprietary product I know (Disclaimer: I did not install or use proprietary products on a regular basis since about 8 years, so this is just from memory) > > > Also, there is a change in the way computers will work in the future > > and how GUIs are designed, based on intense usability research, a > > change you can see the beginning of in KDE4. > > This is usability? Konqueror replaced with Dolphin which was pretty much > universally panned on every Linux list I've read. Complete with its inability > to save preferences. A kicker bar where you can't move the buttons? Icons > which are resizable but no way to set them to a default size? Or my personal > favorite, icons which POP up actions like a Ritalin-deprived ADD 5 year old > screaming, "Ooo, pick me, pick me!! ME!! PICK ME!!!!!!" Konqueror was NOT replaced by Dolphin, you still can use Konqueror! Only would you use for example Firefox to browse your desktop and use it as a file manager? And that's what Dolphin is here for: it's a file manager and Konqueror is a browser, period. > None of that is what I would call "usability". Every piece of it is > distracting or flat out broken. > Again, usability has been tested by usability professionals who do extensive and in depth research in that field, do you? Sorry to say so, but your reaction is like that of someone who didn't even try to understand the underlying changes (please, read the announcement carefully and think) and just cries "it doesn't work as it used to". Well no, it doesn't, but nobody ever said it would continue to work the same way it did. That's evolution, you know, so a little bit of "openmindness" is required :) > > What do you expect, that developers stay behind mayor evolution in > > desktop design? > > When that "mayor [sic] evolution" is a huge step backwards... YES! When > the idea that removing /major/ portions of a program's functionality is > considered advancement I expect them to tell the marketing drones where to > shove their usability studies. I don't need dumbed down programs. I need > more powerful programs. Again, you don't understand: nothing has been removed from KDE 4 as this is new technology, and the existing KDE 3.x applications have to be ported to that new framework! So you can hardly say that this is a step back as it is exactly the contrary. KDE 4 is like exploring new grounds and the work only to release the KDE 4.0 was immensely huge, and still in progress. > > > try to understand what the > > computers of the 21st century will look like or stay put with the "old > > way". > > Try to understand that programs are regressing in functionality? Why? > See above. > > > And if you read a little info coming from the developers... > > Why would I want to read what they say when it is evident that they have > lost it after 3.5? They *RELEASED* this tripe which is on par with a typical > Microsoft release. Apparently not only did they want to mirror Vista's > eyecandy they also wanted to mirror Vista's BUGINESS. Well, that IS your problem, you refuse to read, so of course you can't understand ... sometimes understanding needs some effort And no, nobody in the whole KDE 4 developing team (and I know quite a few of them in real life too) ever wanted to "copy" the Vista bling, simply because the work on KDE 4 begun a long time before Vista was even released in beta, So copying something you have never seen is impossible, don't you think? Greetings Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 12:47:50 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:47:50 +0200 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00806010547q49bf90fcya8bf0514dd229bd0@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/31 Rosalind Mitchell : > Yes, Login screen. Sorry - [senior|blonde|pmt] moment. What is pmt? > At this rate, when Impudent Ibex (or whatever it's called) comes out, I shall > have to resort to the wretched GNOME. Aaaaargh! Kubuntu Hardy will be supported until (h..i..j..k) Kompassionate Koala is released, so you don't need to worry. Even after that, Ubuntu Hardy will be supported until (k...l...m...n) Naughty Nightingale with KDE in the repos. I suggest that you try with another distro, to determine if the problem is with *buntu or KDE4, and then start filing bugs. Be very specific about your hardware. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From erebus at rogers.com Sun Jun 1 12:55:14 2008 From: erebus at rogers.com (Frank (Erebus)) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:55:14 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <880dece00806010547q49bf90fcya8bf0514dd229bd0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <880dece00806010547q49bf90fcya8bf0514dd229bd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48429C32.1050404@rogers.com> >> At this rate, when Impudent Ibex (or whatever it's called) comes out, I shall >> have to resort to the wretched GNOME. Aaaaargh! >> I hear you. I am thinking the same thing because a simple thing like the slideshow screensaver doesn't even work in KDE4. Sorta sad I think. Frank near Toronto From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sun Jun 1 14:57:04 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:57:04 -0700 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200806010757.05241.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Sunday 01 June 2008 03:15:01 am Steve Lamb wrote: > > Tell that to the OP. Furthermore are you really suggesting a clean > install because I accidentally removed my K button and can't move it on the > bar? Do you consider that reasonable for RELEASED software? I don't. Do you mean by "clean install", to install the whole of 8.04? That would be almost impossible for me as I also have work to do on my computer all day. I did "mark for complete removal" KDE4 and then reinstalled it, but that does not fix the K menu button. It is still over on the right hand side instead of the left where it started. Actually, if one removes everything and then puts everything back in the bottom bar, putting K menu button in FIRST then it is at least on the left side of all the buttons but still on the right side of the page. There must be a way of moving those, else how in the world did they get the K over where it was in the first place? Of course, like everyone else, I hate having to read documentation to learn every little thing. Most of us have rather hectic days in the first place and time is something there just is no excess of. Besides, we knew how to do it before! Now what we know is wasted learning! The right click and seeing the "move" arrows no longer works. Neither does shift drag, control click, shift click , alt click or anything else I have tried so far. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org Sun Jun 1 15:05:14 2008 From: jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:05:14 +0200 Subject: xrandr before logging in References: <483DC2E2.1070400@gmx.net> Message-ID: Kilian Rambach wrote: > Hi there, > I want to use xrandr to switch one of the two connected monitors off as > soon as kdm has started, before someone logged in. (I couldn't manage it > with some options in xorg.conf) Have a look at /etc/kde3/kdm there are a few scripts that are executed on startup. Jan From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 15:13:49 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:13:49 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <9bed467e0806010813w1b4c8f59g6116f370dc90e3cc@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: > I accidentally removed my K button from the far > left and adding it places it at the far right. No movement. Right click the desktop -> Add Widgets -> Find "Application Launcher" -> Click on it and drag it to the far left of your task bar It works for me. > Hell, WinXP is better > than KDE4! ... Not that negativity again... go read the last 200+ thread on that issue if you need to get your fix of kde4 sucks, dolphin sucks, or kubuntu's LTS plan sucks. Andrew > -- > Steve Lamb > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Jun 1 16:17:02 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:17:02 -0500 Subject: Doing it the KDE way - mounting "media" In-Reply-To: <48428189.4030402@dmiyu.org> References: <48428189.4030402@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <4842CB7E.4010709@swbell.net> Steve Lamb wrote: > Ok, I have an NTFS partition I'd like to automount when I log in. Right > now I mount it by browsing to it through Dolphin, double clicking it and > letting whatever magic in Dolphin handle it. However I would like for the > drive to be mounted manually as there are files on that drive that I want to > use right away. > > Now, I /could/ resolve this by putting an entry in /etc/fstab but since I > got my hand slapped for daring to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 with 'aptitude > full-upgrade' I'm trying to hold off and do this the KUbuntu way. > > In a moment of cattiness let me say this... Dolphin does have an option > to set the drive to automount. It even asks for my password since it is doing > something sudo-rific. Like much else in Dolphin, it doesn't work. I am /SO/ > glad it's there and we're forced to use it. > > So, anyway, what's the KUbuntu way to get the drive to automount for the user? > > I edited, with the help of some nice people on the list, my fstab file to mount both the XP and OpenSuSE drives on boot up. No one attacked me for doing it. As for Dolphin, I guess I'm a majority of one. I quite like it for some things. For most of the file system tasks I do it's the first thing I reach for. My suggestion is that if you don't like it, don't use it. I doubt there is someone holding a gun to your head. In fact many people remove it completely. That's one of the beauty's of the Linux/OS world. Your free to use whatever tools you want. No one tries to force something on you like they do on that OTHER operating system. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Jun 1 16:48:12 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:48:12 -0500 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <48429C32.1050404@rogers.com> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <880dece00806010547q49bf90fcya8bf0514dd229bd0@mail.gmail.com> <48429C32.1050404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4842D2CC.10006@swbell.net> Frank (Erebus) wrote: >>> At this rate, when Impudent Ibex (or whatever it's called) comes out, I shall >>> have to resort to the wretched GNOME. Aaaaargh! >>> >>> > I hear you. I am thinking the same thing because a simple thing like the > slideshow screensaver doesn't even work in KDE4. Sorta sad I think. > > Frank near Toronto > > > GEEZ! Everyone getting their knickers in a knot of KDE4. If everyone had followed the list threads for just about any Linux distro you can imagine you would have had endless threads about KDE4 starting about December last year. It was pretty much admitted/accepted that KDE4 was rushed into release before it was REALLY ready because of several major distro's major release cycles. OK, KDE4 is not complete/finished. It is at best an "RC" release and at worst a late beta at this point. That's one of the reasons that a "STANDARD" install/upgrade of Kubuntu uses KDE3.5.9. If you CHOSE to install KDE4 you should consider yourself a "beta tester" and quit whining about it. Most of the smart people held off on KDE4 until at least KDE4.1. - - Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 17:01:14 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:01:14 -0400 Subject: Doing it the KDE way - mounting "media" In-Reply-To: <48428189.4030402@dmiyu.org> References: <48428189.4030402@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <3dde113c0806011001n243b6b78wcbc76866acd83890@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: > > So, anyway, what's the KUbuntu way to get the drive to automount for the > user? > I am a fan of fstab, but if you want the GUI way, the KDE way, here you go: Choose System Settings Click on the Advanced tab and click on Disk & Filesystems Click on Administrator mode to make changes. Right click on the partition and choose modify. Make sure you give it a mount point. Check the other settings. OK your way out. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Sun Jun 1 17:26:42 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:26:42 +0200 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <200806010757.05241.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> <200806010757.05241.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200806011926.42386.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Sunday 01 June 2008 16:57, Pastor JW wrote: > On Sunday 01 June 2008 03:15:01 am Steve Lamb wrote: > > Tell that to the OP. Furthermore are you really suggesting a clean > > install because I accidentally removed my K button and can't move it on > > the bar? Do you consider that reasonable for RELEASED software? I > > don't. > > Do you mean by "clean install", to install the whole of 8.04? That would > be almost impossible for me as I also have work to do on my computer all > day. I did "mark for complete removal" KDE4 and then reinstalled it, but > that does not fix the K menu button. It is still over on the right hand > side instead of the left where it started. I don't have Hardy Heron, or Fedora 9 installed yet, which both use KDE4, but when you re-installed KDE4, possibly all the config stuff for KDE4 in your /home/user/.kde directory was unchanged after the re-install, therefore everything was as before you re-installed KDE4. It may be worth a look in /home/user-name/.kde/share/config/kickerrc. Don't delete the kickerrc file, but rename it, then logout, and log back in. These files should be re-created with the default settings, and may resolve your problem. Make sure that you have an icon on your desktop for "Home", just in case the kicker (panel) doesn't come back after the login, as at least then you can rename the renamed kickerrc to what it was before you changed it. Logout, and backin. No panel, but as I'm sure you know ctrl alt backspace, get's you back to the login. Ignore the following ramble about gung ho upgrades, when you don't know if your os will still work. It has to be said that we all want to try out the latest version of our distro, and see what's new. That said, we don't want the new stuff to totally screw the distro that we need for our work. I have a whole bunch of distros available on various harddrives, which I'm able to plugin to a 5 1/4" harddrive caddy. These include Fedora versions 1 through to 8, Debian Sarge, Etch, and Lenny (testing), Archlinux, Kubuntu Dapper, and Gutsy Gibbon. I upgraded Kubuntu Breezy to Dapper, but had to mess with getting the screen resolution set correctly, which I'd already had to do when I installed Breezy. I've never upgraded a Fedora install, and have always done a fresh install on spare harddrive space. I've had most succes with upgrading my Debian installs. These were originally installed from Woody 3.0r2 cdroms, and upgraded to Sarge, which I think was still (testing) at the time. Sarge went to (stable), and then I had 3 instances of Sarge. Etch was now the testing version, so I changed one of my Sarge installs in /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the Etch repos. At this time Debian was still using xfree86. Some time later there was the transition from xfree86 to xorg, and that went without any problems on my Etch (testing) install. More time passes by, and Etch goes (stable), and Lenny is available as (testing). Now I still have 2 Sarge installs, so upgrade one to Etch, now (stable), and including the transition from xfree86 to xorg. Amazingly no problems with the upgrade. So far so good, and I now have 1 Sarge, and 2 Etch instances. As there are no problems with the 2 Etch installs, I point one of them in /etc/apt/sources.list to Lenny (testing). Lenny has had some problems from time to time. I lost Rosegarden for about 6 weeks, deps problems I suppose, but never any problems that needed me to re-install the os. Now I don't use any of my distros for my work, as I don't have any, but I think if you do need to use your distro for work, think carefully about upgrading it. I'd always suggest installing the new version of, for example, Hardy Heron, as a dual boot on your harddrive, that is if you have the space. At least you, in this instance could try out KDE4, and see what problems there are with it. if there are problems, you can always bootup your GG install, and just carry on with your work with no problems. Personally, and regarding my Gutsy Gibbon install. I've no intention of upgrading it to HH, and KDE4. I've seen too many problems with KDE4 on Fedora 9, and HH. Saying that I'll try to find some free harddrive space, or an older distro that I'm willing to overwrite with HH. I would like to see what KDE4 looks like, but without screwing up a distro that works, by simply upgrading it. I know the developers of KDE4 need feedback, so as to improve it. I've seen the same with new music apps announced on the LAU list. You have problems building the app, or it crashes, and posting back helps the developer to fix the problem, and this how things progress, till eventually the app works without problems. Sorry. More than 2¢ worth of rambling, but just my thoughts. Nigel. > 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 > http://the-inner-circle.org > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle > http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Sun Jun 1 19:17:17 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:17:17 +0100 Subject: Black background menus with KMediaFactory Message-ID: <200806012017.17577.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> I've just tried using KMediaFactory for the first time I think since upgrading to Hardy and for some reason the background of every DVD menu I create is black both in the preview window and on the DVD. I've done a Google search, but haven't found any solutions. So I'm turning to this mailing list for help. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From grey at dmiyu.org Sun Jun 1 20:25:15 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:25:15 -0700 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0806010813w1b4c8f59g6116f370dc90e3cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <9bed467e0806010813w1b4c8f59g6116f370dc90e3cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484305AB.3080606@dmiyu.org> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: > Right click the desktop -> Add Widgets -> Find "Application Launcher" > -> Click on it and drag it to the far left of your task bar > It works for me. On the desktop? Well, then the icon appears on the desktop. I drag it down to the bar and it goes *behind* the bar. Now I have an icon completely behind the bar because of ths STUPID notion that we need to mouse over the icon to get the pop-up overlay which is the portion we need to grab to move it. *sigh* >> Hell, WinXP is better >> than KDE4! > ... Not that negativity again... go read the last 200+ thread on that > issue if you need to get your fix of kde4 sucks, dolphin sucks, or > kubuntu's LTS plan sucks. I didn't participate in those threads since I had no experience. I do now and am voicing my displeasure. Don't like it /you/ figure out your filtering. The shoe fits and yelling at people for expressing their opinion doesn't make KDE4 suck less. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Sun Jun 1 21:01:11 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:01:11 -0700 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48430E17.2070705@dmiyu.org> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Ok, second try... even if arguing with people who just shout around > and refuse to think is not easy... Back at'cha. Might I suggest that if you're going to throw out comments like that you angage your brain first instead of repeating what others have said. Parroting other people is not a sign of thinking for yourself. > On 01/06/2008, Steve Lamb wrote: >> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ > Version number: what should they have used then, 3.9.9.9.9 whatever? Uhm... Yes? You do realize that the standard practice in the Linux work is that each number is atomic unto itself. Major, minor, revision. What follows 3.5.9 (current viable KDE) is not 3.6. It is 3.5.10. Then 3.5.11. Only when they add functionality which does not break backwards compatibility does it bump to 3.6. Major functionality that breaks backwards compatibility is when the major number changes. Furthermore there is the common practice of setting the major.minor to current major.9 for development of the next major version. With those two rules there is absolutely nothing preventing them from going to 3.9.203 if that's what it took. Incrementing the minor frequently doesn't mean anything. However bumping to the next major with a .0 at the end is the universal signal that "this is a release". It doesn't signal "This is a beta" or "this is a release candidate". It signals a release. They put out an announcement. And while you have scoured it for the words > I scanned through that announcement again and it never states > anywhere that this is a finished product... ...finished product I, too, have scanned it for the words "unfinished", "beta" or "release candidate" and found them equally lacking. Since the common definition of a release announcement is that the product is finished that is how people will take it. That goes double when they start incrementing the version number past that point. We're now on 4.0.3 which means the third revision of release 4.0. Now, you can yell all you want at me about this but deep down you know I am right. Don't repeat to me where they have, on their own lists out of wide-spread public eye that this isn't a full release. They projected it as such and people are treating it as such. If they didn't want it to be treated as such they should still be in the 3.9 series. Finally if they knew they weren't ready for release and pushed it out to appease a few distributions' release cycles then that makes them no better than anyone else who knowingly releases unfinished software. In fact, it makes them worse since they supposedly should know better! > These are not just buttons, but plasma widgets (stated in the > announcement BTW), so yes, they can not be moved around (yet), but you > can easily install/remove whatever button you like if you right click > on the status bar and choose the "add widget" option. I know that. I said I could do that. I also said I could not move it back to the right side of the bar. Kindly read my messages before responding and reiterating what I have said. > I didn't, BTW, but from your mail it was not obvious that you didn't > try the "add widget" option, so if you say "I can't" this means for > me: "doesn't work", not "didn't try", hence I understood that your > system must be broken, as it works fine for me. Huh? "Fer Pete's sake you can't even move widgets on the kicker! I accidentally removed my K button from the far ;eft and adding it places it at the far right. No movement." Can't move widgets. First sentence. I removed it and *ADDED IT*, second sentence. I can't get much clearer than that. Furthermore I touched on this issue a half month ago and got no replies then. " Ok. I figured out that there are two KMenus in KDE4. The really crappy Vista wannabe menu and the old-style, highly useful menu. I removed the crappy one and went to add the good one only to have it appear on the far left. Try as I might I cannot find a way to get the thing to move on the bar nor any way to add anything in any position other than the far left. Any clues? " > Se above. Released software never means that you get a finished and > perfect product, and we do talk about Free Software here. Finished, yes. Perfect, no. Yes, we talk about Free Software here. FOSS which general blasts the proprietary software practice of releasing unfinished software as fully-functional releases. I cannot recall any other time a major release number was pushed out knowingly unfinished. That goes for massive products like Debian on down to singleton projects like Exim or Apache. > Konqueror was NOT replaced by Dolphin, you still can use Konqueror! > Only would you use for example Firefox to browse your desktop and use > it as a file manager? And that's what Dolphin is here for: it's a file > manager and Konqueror is a browser, period. The file manager portion of Konq was replaced, period. It was replaced with a sub-par, less functional but admittedly prettier program. Those are irrefutable facts. > Again, usability has been tested by usability professionals who do > extensive and in depth research in that field, do you? You keep saying that but don't cite sources. Usability according to whom? The neophyte? The neophyte that most people are only for a few weeks/months of their lives? > Sorry to say so, but your reaction is like that of someone who didn't > even try to understand the underlying changes (please, read the > announcement carefully and think) and just cries "it doesn't work as > it used to". Well no, it doesn't, but nobody ever said it would > continue to work the same way it did. That's evolution, you know, so a > little bit of "openmindness" is required :) I have an open mind. Just not so open my brain falls out. I didn't say "it doesn't work as it used to." I said, quite clearly, "it doesn't WORK". Full stop, no qualifier. I went on to explain that reducing functionality is a poor direction to take. I'm more than willing to adapt for increased functionality. I get quite upset when someone sells me 50% of what I had in functionality as "better" for me. Sorry, but most times the computer gets in my way while doing my work because it lacks functionality. Removing what little functionality that makes me as productive as I have does not increase usability, it decreases it! Do they explain that in your studies? > Again, you don't understand: nothing has been removed from KDE 4 as > this is new technology, and the existing KDE 3.x applications have to > be ported to that new framework! So you can hardly say that this is a > step back as it is exactly the contrary. KDE 4 is like exploring new > grounds and the work only to release the KDE 4.0 was immensely huge, > and still in progress. Fine, tell me how to get the old Konq file manager back. "Nothing" is what you said, right? No thing was removed. Let me know when you figure that out. > Well, that IS your problem, you refuse to read, so of course you can't > understand ... sometimes understanding needs some effort I refuse to read their explanation on why they released feature incomplete software and it's my problem they released it? Actions speak louder than words. Their action was to knowingly release unfinished software. Their words mean spit after that. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frank near Toronto Billie Walsh wrote: > Frank (Erebus) wrote: > >>>> At this rate, when Impudent Ibex (or whatever it's called) comes out, I shall >>>> have to resort to the wretched GNOME. Aaaaargh! >>>> >>>> >>>> >> I hear you. I am thinking the same thing because a simple thing like the >> slideshow screensaver doesn't even work in KDE4. Sorta sad I think. >> >> Frank near Toronto >> >> >> >> > > GEEZ! Everyone getting their knickers in a knot of KDE4. If everyone had > followed the list threads for just about any Linux distro you can > imagine you would have had endless threads about KDE4 starting about > December last year. It was pretty much admitted/accepted that KDE4 was > rushed into release before it was REALLY ready because of several major > distro's major release cycles. > > OK, KDE4 is not complete/finished. It is at best an "RC" release and at > worst a late beta at this point. That's one of the reasons that a > "STANDARD" install/upgrade of Kubuntu uses KDE3.5.9. 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Then I wrote on console *dmesg* and it show me: [16073.639128] usb 5-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 19 [16073.771574] usb 5-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [16073.782906] scsi16 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices [16073.789187] usb-storage: device found at 19 [16073.789193] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning [16078.784584] usb-storage: device scan complete [16078.785569] scsi 16:0:0:0: Direct-Access USBest USB2FlashStorage 0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 [16078.801066] sd 16:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [16078.801121] sd 16:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 This is the part where the system recognize the "damaged" pen drive Someone can help me to recovery the data inside the pen drive, is it possible?, to later format it, if it's necessary and possible. Thanks everyone and I hope you understand me and can help me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been with Linux since 1994, and there was a bunch of stuff I never liked, but guess what, I had options and choices, so there was bound to be something I did like, or hey, I could even contribute to a project I wanted so I could like it even more. Contributing isn't hard to do. Please have a bit of consideration when you have a problem with something, especially when the only thing you might be contributing is head aches for those busting their arses to get free software into the hands of many. If you want to contribute something positive, there are bug reports, user support, and more. Sitting around on a mailing list, a blog, or a forum flaming or disrespecting a FREE project is a waste of not only the developer's time, but your time as well. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Threats of moving to Gnome because Ibex will be KDE 4 doesn't help your > cause at all, because guess what, you are still using free software, and that > is all that matters to me. I have been around KDE since the 1.1 days and I have > seen it go through good, bad, worse, and WHAT THE HECK! and never once did I > whine about something because I didn't like it. I have been with Linux since > 1994, and there was a bunch of stuff I never liked, but guess what, I had > options and choices, so there was bound to be something I did like, or hey, I > could even contribute to a project I wanted so I could like it even more. > Contributing isn't hard to do. > > Please have a bit of consideration when you have a problem with something, > especially when the only thing you might be contributing is head aches for > those busting their arses to get free software into the hands of many. If you > want to contribute something positive, there are bug reports, user support, and > more. Sitting around on a mailing list, a blog, or a forum flaming or > disrespecting a FREE project is a waste of not only the developer's time, but > your time as well. > > Hear Hear or here here, whatever. From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Jun 1 23:33:17 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:33:17 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> Message-ID: <200806011933.25478.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 30 May 2008 18:16:05 Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > On Friday 30 May 2008 22:15:58 Derek Broughton wrote: > > Splash screen, or Login screen? It sounds to me as if you're getting to > > the KDM login screen, entering your username/password, the screen > > probably flashes a few times and then puts up the login screen again. > > Yes, Login screen. Sorry - [senior|blonde|pmt] moment. > When that happens the first place to look is in ~/.xsession-errors. I have always found an answer to similar problems there. I assume it is named the same with kde4. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Sun Jun 1 23:39:56 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:39:56 -0700 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <4843334C.3060407@dmiyu.org> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > If you have dislikes about a certain project, this is not the list to do it on. > This list is for free, community-based, user support and not "KDE 4 won't do > this or that and it sucks!" "User Discussions" in the list name. Discussions can be positive or negative. I have been civil and I have been constructive. At what point have I not explained, quite clearly, why I felt the way I felt? Like it or not, that is constructive and appropriate. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But that's the reason I love Linux. If enough of us like the KDE3 interface, and enough of us who feel that way are developers, it is likely there will be a KDE 3-like desktop environment that branches off. It may not be sanctioned by the KDEev (or it might, but the GPL allows it to happen. Lovers of WinXP being forced into Vista don't have that option. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Jun 1 23:45:58 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:45:58 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200806011945.58197.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 01 June 2008 07:49:08 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Version number: what should they have used then, 3.9.9.9.9 whatever? Maybe an SVN/CVS named version with a date of build? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Jun 1 23:50:30 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:50:30 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200806011950.31040.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 01 June 2008 07:49:08 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > plasma widgets plasma was the type of monochrome orange screen my first Toshiba T5100 had. It does not evoke a sense of futurism for me. And the look reminds me of Microsoft Vista Aero, and that is not a warm fuzzy feeling. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jun 1 23:49:31 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:49:31 -0300 Subject: Doing it the KDE way - mounting "media" References: <48428189.4030402@dmiyu.org> <4842CB7E.4010709@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2023991.aWKLBD1TWc@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: >> Ok, I have an NTFS partition I'd like to automount when I log in. >> >> Now, I /could/ resolve this by putting an entry in /etc/fstab but >> since I >> got my hand slapped for daring to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 with >> 'aptitude full-upgrade' I'm trying to hold off and do this the KUbuntu >> way. Hey, I'm so old fashioned I still use "aptitude dist-upgrade" (it came as news to me that they'd decided to change it to "full-..."). >> So, anyway, what's the KUbuntu way to get the drive to automount for >> the user? It's a partition, not an external drive, so I think you need it to be in fstab (for which the Kubuntu way is to go to "System Settings / Advanced"). >> > I edited, with the help of some nice people on the list, my fstab file > to mount both the XP and OpenSuSE drives on boot up. No one attacked me > for doing it. > > As for Dolphin, I guess I'm a majority of one. I quite like it for some > things. Steve's not quite right that we're "forced" to use it. I don't, never have. I haven't even got a clue if it's installed. -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jun 2 00:03:43 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:03:43 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200806012003.48825.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 01 June 2008 07:49:08 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Konqueror was NOT replaced by Dolphin, you still can use Konqueror! > Only would you use for example Firefox to browse your desktop and use > it as a file manager? And that's what Dolphin is here for: it's a file > manager and Konqueror is a browser, period. Konqueror, possibly my favorite piece of software, is a second rate browser. Not third of fourth fate, but not first rate either. It just doesn't work on a lot of web sites many of us need — with me, for instance, my bank. But being a tabbed browser with a file manager an ftp client, an audio cd browser, network browser, image browser, file viewer, etc. is what makes it first rate software. The service menus are wonderful, and the different file manger view fantastic. The integration of the file manager with the internet and network apps makes file management seemless, no matter where the file resides. I've heard the promises of Dolphin's improvement, but I try it whenever there are significant KDE4 updates, and still no better than nautilus, a third or fourth rate file manager. In any case, I think splitting the local file manger from the network app is a step back — not into the future unless your view of the future is bleakness. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jun 1 23:50:18 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:50:18 -0300 Subject: Doing it the KDE way - mounting "media" References: <48428189.4030402@dmiyu.org> <3dde113c0806011001n243b6b78wcbc76866acd83890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3470903.SKlRGQOzKr@cedar.serverforest.com> John DeCarlo wrote: > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: > >> >> So, anyway, what's the KUbuntu way to get the drive to automount for >> the >> user? >> > > I am a fan of fstab, but if you want the GUI way, the KDE way, here you > go: > > Choose System Settings > Click on the Advanced tab and click on Disk & Filesystems > Click on Administrator mode to make changes. > That's still just fstab - just a gui configurator. (Go GUI!). -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jun 2 00:06:22 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:06:22 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200806012006.22782.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 01 June 2008 07:49:08 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Again, usability has been tested by usability professionals who do > extensive and in depth research in that field, do you? Now you've got us. People smarter than us, know better about how we want to work than we do. I guess our limitations led us to forget that others know what we like better than we do. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 00:07:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:07:20 -0300 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <880dece00806010547q49bf90fcya8bf0514dd229bd0@mail.gmail.com> <48429C32.1050404@rogers.com> <4842D2CC.10006@swbell.net> Message-ID: <3217121.yRxA4Xohpu@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > OK, KDE4 is not complete/finished. It is at best an "RC" release and at > worst a late beta at this point. In that case, it should be versioned as 4.0.0.rcX, not 4.0.0 > That's one of the reasons that a > "STANDARD" install/upgrade of Kubuntu uses KDE3.5.9. If you CHOSE to > install KDE4 you should consider yourself a "beta tester" and quit > whining about it. No, people have a right to be upset that a product _not_ billed as a beta is actually _barely_ beta quality. > > Most of the smart people held off on KDE4 until at least KDE4.1. Hell, there's nothing in 4.0 I want. Unfortunately, when 4.1 comes with an updated kde-pim, I'm afraid there still won't be... -- derek From m.calandra at comcast.net Mon Jun 2 00:11:57 2008 From: m.calandra at comcast.net (MikeJ) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hardy Upgrade Killed vmware server Message-ID: <17577343.post@talk.nabble.com> Malc, I assume that this same problem applies to Ubuntu and vmware-server? Would you confirm? Would you please estimate (hey, I can ask, right?) how long we'll have to wait for the official supported update to make its way to the partner repo (days, weeks, months)? It has already been 3 weeks. Mike > If you are not entirely rushed, the best way is to wait for then new > packages > to be made available through the Canonical Partner repo > > That way you can guarantee that they will work, and no chickens will be > harmed > in any additional rituals. > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Hardy-Upgrade-Killed-vmware-server-tp17149302p17577343.html Sent from the kubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jun 1 23:54:14 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:54:14 -0300 Subject: Please keep it civil References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <2726830.ebMaSYuZHZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > If you have dislikes about a certain project, this is not the list to do > it on. This list is for free, community-based, user support and not "KDE 4 > won't do this or that and it sucks!" First, what's the point of posting a rant obviously in reply to something that's been posted here, and not including any context. Second, isn't KDE4 included in Kubuntu 8.04? Then it's relevant here. Finally, civility is good, but I see no reason why people can't let off a little steam. Complaining here about betas available only from the Kubuntu or KDE sites (which happened a few times in the Winter) is unreasonable. Complaining here about something that isn't even beta quality, but IS available from the Ubuntu repositories and claiming to be a release version is certainly relevant. -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jun 2 00:18:19 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:18:19 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <200806010757.05241.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> <200806010757.05241.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200806012018.27013.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 01 June 2008 10:57:04 Pastor JW wrote: > Do you mean by "clean install", to install the whole of 8.04?   That would > be almost impossible for me as I also have work to do on my computer all > day.  I did "mark for complete removal" KDE4 and then reinstalled it, but > that does not fix the K menu button.  It is still over on the right hand > side instead of the left where it started. I don't know what tool you used for "complete removal" but they rarely remove the ~/.config files. Try logging into your non-KDE, failsafe gui or tty3 or something and removing the ~/.kde4-config files (that's not what they are named, but you should be able to identify them, If KDE4 works like KDE 2 & 3 and Gnome, that should trigger the default settings to be recreated when you log into kde4 again. I haven't tried this and can't since I didn't install KDE4 on this production machine, but it should work if KDE4 works like its predecessors. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 00:13:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:13:10 -0300 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> <200806010757.05241.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200806011926.42386.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <2161133.CfoTbV8LLZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > I don't have Hardy Heron, or Fedora 9 installed yet, which both use KDE4, Whoa! Hardy does not _use_ KDE4. KDE4 is available as an extra. By default, we're still using 3.5 -- derek From turgon at mike-leone.com Mon Jun 2 00:20:55 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:20:55 -0400 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <48433CE7.4010009@mike-leone.com> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > If you have dislikes about a certain project, this is not the list to do it on. It's a "User Discusions" and User Help" list, according to it's description. Aren't discussions about likes/dislikes/what works/what doesn't part of "User Discussions"? > This list is for free, community-based, user support and not "KDE 4 won't do > this or that and it sucks!" > > There is nothing more that I like to do than working so hard on a project that > everyone constantly has something negative to say. It gets annoying really > fast. Threats of moving to Gnome because Ibex will be KDE 4 doesn't help your > cause at all, because guess what, you are still using free software, and that > is all that matters to me. I have been around KDE since the 1.1 days and I have > seen it go through good, bad, worse, and WHAT THE HECK! and never once did I > whine about something because I didn't like it. I have been with Linux since > 1994, and there was a bunch of stuff I never liked, but guess what, I had > options and choices, so there was bound to be something I did like, or hey, I > could even contribute to a project I wanted so I could like it even more. > Contributing isn't hard to do. > Please have a bit of consideration when you have a problem with something, > especially when the only thing you might be contributing is head aches for > those busting their arses to get free software into the hands of many. If you > want to contribute something positive, there are bug reports, user support, and > more. Sitting around on a mailing list, a blog, or a forum flaming or > disrespecting a FREE project is a waste of not only the developer's time, but > your time as well. If you as a developer are reading a user list, what is it you are expecting to hear about the program you helped develop/code from those users? Real reactions, or only positive things, so that you feel good about your efforts? Wouldn't you want to hear about problems, or the user's experience? I have no opinion about KDE4, not having used it. But regardless, asking users to only post positive things, or else post nothing at all (and instead be quiet and contribute in some off-list way), is certainly not a good thing to be asking, IMO. Otherwise, this just turns into an advocacy list, where fanboys preach to the choir. And who wants that? -- Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: People believe in the unseeable, but will not see the unbelievable. -- "Dark Season", Rusell T. Davies From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 00:09:39 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:09:39 -0300 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <2288562.Um99aK1cFk@cedar.serverforest.com> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Ok, second try... even if arguing with people who just shout around > and refuse to think is not easy... pot=kettle > On 01/06/2008, Steve Lamb wrote: >> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> >> > KDE4 is still in heavy development, and it never has been announced to >> > be finished yet, so please give the developers time to polish that! >> >> >> Sorry, not only do their version numbers say otherwise so do their >> own >> announcements. >> >> http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ > > Version number: what should they have used then, 3.9.9.9.9 whatever? They should have used 4.0.betaNNN (or 4.0.bNNN, or whatever it was they were using for betas). Calling it 4.0.0 says it was _ready_ for release, though everyone knows it wasn't. So the rest of your argument collapses... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 00:02:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:02:32 -0300 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <35684466.LuLILGGyQo@cedar.serverforest.com> Steve Lamb wrote: > So I should, and will, be quite upset about their lack of even basic > usability like moving buttons on the bottom bar. What bottom bar? Don't tell me it doesn't even let you put the bar on top where it belongs :-) [actually, I only put it there because I often run an NX session inside Windows, and it's convenient to have one toolbar at the bottom, and one at the top] > >> If you can't run KDE4 decently then you must have a problem with your >> installation that usually is sorted out with a clean install > > Tell that to the OP. Furthermore are you really suggesting a clean > install because I accidentally removed my K button and can't move it on > the bar? Do you consider that reasonable for RELEASED software? I don't. Neither do I. I haven't seen any indication that any of the usability issues I care about has been fixed since the beta version, so I'm not even trying KDE4. > None of that is what I would call "usability". Every piece of it is > distracting or flat out broken. > >> What do you expect, that developers stay behind mayor evolution in >> desktop design? > >> try to understand what the >> computers of the 21st century will look like or stay put with the "old >> way". I'm not sure I quite agree - but I do think that major evolutions in desktop design belong somewhere else. There's no value to alienating those of us who love KDE3 by bringing in a whole new way of doing things and telling us it's an advance. >> Gnome is not near in >> ages to that GUI changes we need to do to catch up with the modern >> world :) What "modern world"? There's nothing in Vista or Mac that I want to see in KDE - nothing that makes my life easier, just eye candy - so it would appear they want to move off into entirely uncharted territory. Not the modern world, but some scary future. -- derek From nixternal at kubuntu.org Mon Jun 2 00:33:22 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:33:22 -0500 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <2726830.ebMaSYuZHZ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <2726830.ebMaSYuZHZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200806011933.26069.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Sunday 01 June 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: [...] | Finally, civility is good, but I see no reason why people can't let off a | little steam. Complaining here about betas available only from the Kubuntu | or KDE sites (which happened a few times in the Winter) is unreasonable. | Complaining here about something that isn't even beta quality, but IS | available from the Ubuntu repositories and claiming to be a release version | is certainly relevant. Let off steam elsewhere and keep the forums civil for those who are trying to receive help. As for those of you who replied feeling guilty, if the shoe fits, wear it. Never did I direct my comments at any person or people when I started this thread. If you have problems and want help, use this forums, if you want to discuss civilly and not start silly flames, then go right ahead. Saying this sucks, or I am going back to Gnome isn't discussion, it is ranting. You are correct with 'User Help' and 'User Discussion', but no where does it say 'User Rants'. Those are best made in forums where everyone else rants about this or that in a non-constructive manner. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jun 2 00:47:32 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:47:32 -0400 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <200806012047.38207.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 01 June 2008 18:02:56 Richard A. Johnson wrote: > Please have a bit of consideration when you have a problem with something, > especially when the only thing you might be contributing is head aches for > those busting their arses to get free software into the hands of many. On Sunday 01 June 2008 07:49:08 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Again, usability has been tested by usability professionals who do > extensive and in depth research in that field, do you? If you only hear praises or neutral stuff then you will have to rely on Myriam's "professionals" to tell you what the community wants. I am not a developer and appreciate the work that developers do for the community, but I need to ask: Are you developing for yourself or the community? Either is quite valid and many people who have contributed great software to the community developed it because they had a personal need or desire for it. But if you are developing for the community, I would think that you would want to know what the community wants, doesn't want, likes and dislikes. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Mon Jun 2 00:54:48 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:54:48 -0700 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <200806011933.26069.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <2726830.ebMaSYuZHZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806011933.26069.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <484344D8.1040108@dmiyu.org> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > You are correct with 'User Help' and 'User Discussion', but no where does it > say 'User Rants'. Those are best made in forums where everyone else rants about > this or that in a non-constructive manner. So you lump constructive but negative comments in with the unconstructive rants. Good to know. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And the more you have invested in it, the harder it is to see that it isn't gaining acceptance. But that sort of thing happens to adults all of the time, Successful businesses and community projects are those that can read criticism and adjust. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 01:01:56 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:01:56 -0300 Subject: Please keep it civil References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <2726830.ebMaSYuZHZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806011933.26069.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <1909246.nz7boImdkC@cedar.serverforest.com> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > On Sunday 01 June 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > [...] > | Finally, civility is good, but I see no reason why people can't let off > | a > | little steam. Complaining here about betas available only from the > | Kubuntu or KDE sites (which happened a few times in the Winter) is > | unreasonable. Complaining here about something that isn't even beta > | quality, but IS available from the Ubuntu repositories and claiming to > | be a release version is certainly relevant. > > Let off steam elsewhere and keep the forums civil for those who are trying > to receive help. This isn't a "forum". It's an email list. Expect some heated arguments. > If you have problems and want help, use this forums, if you want to > discuss civilly and not start silly flames, then go right ahead. Saying > this sucks, or I am going back to Gnome isn't discussion, it is ranting. And we expect rants and treat them as they deserve. In this case, KDE4 makes for a very justified rant, unlike yours. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 01:10:12 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:10:12 -0300 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> <200806012006.22782.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1768596.jYOEAPO9F2@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Sunday 01 June 2008 07:49:08 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> Again, usability has been tested by usability professionals who do >> extensive and in depth research in that field, do you? Ugh. I'm not a "usability professional" except in that I do produce software and strive for usability, but I have done research in the field. > Now you've got us. People smarter than us, know better about how we want > to work than we do. > > I guess our limitations led us to forget that others know what we like > better than we do. There's always a consultant out there who knows how to do your job better than you do... -- derek From grey at dmiyu.org Mon Jun 2 01:21:23 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:21:23 -0700 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <1768596.jYOEAPO9F2@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> <200806012006.22782.art.alexion@verizon.net> <1768596.jYOEAPO9F2@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48434B13.1090801@dmiyu.org> Derek Broughton wrote: >> I guess our limitations led us to forget that others know what we like >> better than we do. > There's always a consultant out there who knows how to do your job better > than you do... Which is, of course, not what he said. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 01:04:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:04:53 -0300 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <484276A5.7010006@dmiyu.org> <200806012003.48825.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5120672.HxSeVmGW1f@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Sunday 01 June 2008 07:49:08 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> Konqueror was NOT replaced by Dolphin, you still can use Konqueror! >> Only would you use for example Firefox to browse your desktop and use >> it as a file manager? And that's what Dolphin is here for: it's a file >> manager and Konqueror is a browser, period. > > Konqueror, possibly my favorite piece of software, is a second rate > browser. > Not third of fourth fate, but not first rate either. It just doesn't work > on a lot of web sites many of us need — with me, for instance, my bank. I understand your complaint, but I disagree with the reasoning. It doesn't work with your bank because it's a _first-rate_ browser, and your bank has second-rate web programmers :-) (OK, there are actually standards-based problems with Konqueror, too, so it isn't as good as it should be, but I agree with the developers that it shouldn't be running in "handle-all-of-IE's-bugs mode"). -- derek From nixternal at kubuntu.org Mon Jun 2 02:10:31 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:10:31 -0500 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <484344D8.1040108@dmiyu.org> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806011933.26069.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <484344D8.1040108@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200806012110.32092.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Sunday 01 June 2008, Steve Lamb wrote: | Richard A. Johnson wrote: | > You are correct with 'User Help' and 'User Discussion', but no where does | > it say 'User Rants'. Those are best made in forums where everyone else | > rants about this or that in a non-constructive manner. | | So you lump constructive but negative comments in with the | unconstructive rants. Good to know. Since when is "this sucks" and "I am going back to ...." constructive? What do they build or help build? Absolutely nothing. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nixternal at kubuntu.org Mon Jun 2 02:14:58 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:14:58 -0500 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <1909246.nz7boImdkC@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806011933.26069.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <1909246.nz7boImdkC@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200806012114.58611.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Constructive criticism is good, rants aren't. What in the world has ranting ever got you? Do you go into your boss and say "this sucks" or "I am going back to ..." just because you don't like something? NO! You go in, explain your differences, and how you think it could be made better. That is all I ask. If you want positive results from people who typically spend their free time doing this stuff as a hobby, I think providing a bit of respect would help them to not: a) burn out b) tell you to push off c) forget about your ideas that just might be what the project needs It isn't hard to understand, ranting is not what the people who are working hard to bring you FREE stuff wants to hear or read. We want to see your ideas, constructive criticism, stuff that will help us bring what you would like to see into fruition. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nixternal at kubuntu.org Mon Jun 2 02:37:56 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:37:56 -0500 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <1909246.nz7boImdkC@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806011933.26069.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <1909246.nz7boImdkC@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200806012137.56593.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Sunday 01 June 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: [...] | This isn't a "forum". It's an email list. Expect some heated arguments. Sorry, that was a typo, I mean mailing list. | And we expect rants and treat them as they deserve. In this case, KDE4 | makes for a very justified rant, unlike yours. Even if KDE 4 makes for a justified rant, why on a distribution list when we aren't the ones creating it or its future? And I wasn't ranting, I was just asking for a bit of civilization around here, and if it were a rant, it was more than justified! -- Richard A. 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In this case, KDE4 > | makes for a very justified rant, unlike yours. > > Even if KDE 4 makes for a justified rant, why on a distribution list when > we > aren't the ones creating it or its future? And I wasn't ranting, I was just > asking for a bit of civilization around here, and if it were a rant, it was > more than justified! > > -- > Richard A. Johnson > nixternal at kubuntu.org > GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > If i recall from reading on planet.kde.org there have been several blog posts by lots of people about the status of KDE 4.0, who should use and why... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From turgon at mike-leone.com Mon Jun 2 02:54:02 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:54:02 -0400 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <200806012110.32092.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806011933.26069.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <484344D8.1040108@dmiyu.org> <200806012110.32092.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <484360CA.3080206@mike-leone.com> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > On Sunday 01 June 2008, Steve Lamb wrote: > | Richard A. Johnson wrote: > | > You are correct with 'User Help' and 'User Discussion', but no where does > | > it say 'User Rants'. Those are best made in forums where everyone else > | > rants about this or that in a non-constructive manner. > | > | So you lump constructive but negative comments in with the > | unconstructive rants. Good to know. > > Since when is "this sucks" and "I am going back to ...." constructive? What do > they build or help build? Absolutely nothing. They help build a picture of user satisfaction (or dissatisfaction, in this case). -- Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: People believe in the unseeable, but will not see the unbelievable. -- "Dark Season", Rusell T. Davies From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 03:41:20 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:41:20 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <484305AB.3080606@dmiyu.org> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <9bed467e0806010813w1b4c8f59g6116f370dc90e3cc@mail.gmail.com> <484305AB.3080606@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <9bed467e0806012041n2648a2f8ifdc4a92f178cfd0b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: > Andrew Jarrett wrote: >> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: >> Right click the desktop -> Add Widgets -> Find "Application Launcher" >> -> Click on it and drag it to the far left of your task bar > >> It works for me. > > On the desktop? Well, then the icon appears on the desktop. I drag it > down to the bar and it goes *behind* the bar. Now I have an icon completely > behind the bar because of ths STUPID notion that we need to mouse over the > icon to get the pop-up overlay which is the portion we need to grab to move > it. *sigh* No, no; it's a single movement. Drag "Application Launcher" straight to where you want it from the "Add Widgets" menu. Don't add it to your desktop first. >>> Hell, WinXP is better >>> than KDE4! > >> ... Not that negativity again... go read the last 200+ thread on that >> issue if you need to get your fix of kde4 sucks, dolphin sucks, or >> kubuntu's LTS plan sucks. > > I didn't participate in those threads since I had no experience. I do now > and am voicing my displeasure. Don't like it /you/ figure out your filtering. > The shoe fits and yelling at people for expressing their opinion doesn't make > KDE4 suck less. 1) This is not the thread to voice your displeasure. This thread started as a request for help. Do you remember what the original problem was without going back and looking at the original email? I can't, and I doubt the OP will ever figure out a fix to the problem because of this outburst of "displeasure" from so many users. If you really need to get off this "KDE 4 stress" that is weighing you down, please move it to another thread. 2) Why should I have to filter my email? I stick around here because I like to help (aren't you?). I shouldn't have to waste my time filtering out irrelevant (off-topic) messages. 3) "The shoe fits"? I'm not sure I understand your metaphor. If you are trying to say that your opinions about KDE 4 are relevant to this thread, then I'm afraid you're mistaken. This thread is about the *OP's* "Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy" and not *your* "displeasures" (as opposed to *actual* problems) with KDE4. 4) I am sorry if you misunderstood my message as "yelling". I never meant to discourage you from expressing your opinion. I was trying to suggest that this isn't exactly the thread to do so and my "displeasure" at this thread verging off onto the wrong path. Am I not allowed to express my displeasure at you expressing your displeasure (for the sake of where you are doing it)? 5) I am not the "guardian" of KDE 4. I have my own displeasures with it, but I never mentioned them (which, I believe, is exactly the point). Andrew P.S. I am not trying to play the cop in any of this and I'm not trying to be controversial. I'm just begging for some logic. -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 04:03:20 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:03:20 -0400 Subject: Recovery "damaged" USB pen drive In-Reply-To: <626640da0806011438s448def2fk4bc5bf90b1eb03ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <626640da0806011438s448def2fk4bc5bf90b1eb03ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bed467e0806012103ta38f406kc1dcf211f88bb4f7@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Hector Barrios Molano wrote: > Hi everybody > A friend give me a "damaged" USB pen drive to fix it because in Windows show > "insert disc on unit *", when I insert this pen drive on Kubuntu, kubuntu > doesn't recognize it, in contrast whit my USB pen drive, I don't know why? > > I went to /dev/ and search my pen drive in sdc1 and I found two files sdc > and sdc1, beside these was a file names sdb I guess that that is of the > "damaged" pen drive. > > Then I wrote on console dmesg and it show me: > > [16073.639128] usb 5-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address > 19 > [16073.771574] usb 5-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > [16073.782906] scsi16 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices > [16073.789187] usb-storage: device found at 19 > [16073.789193] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning > [16078.784584] usb-storage: device scan complete > [16078.785569] scsi 16:0:0:0: Direct-Access USBest USB2FlashStorage > 0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 > [16078.801066] sd 16:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk > [16078.801121] sd 16:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 > > This is the part where the system recognize the "damaged" pen drive > > > Someone can help me to recovery the data inside the pen drive, is it > possible?, to later format it, if it's necessary and possible. > > Thanks everyone and I hope you understand me and can help me. I have never had to do this, but I assume it would be something like this: 1) Mount pen drive (maybe read-only?) 2) Run a command like the following: dd noerror if=/dev/sdb1 of=/path/to/saved/image This should capture an image from your pen drive ("if") and save it to ("of"). If it encounters read errors, it will continue ("noerror"). Again, I haven't really had to do this before, so you may want to do some research on "dd". ***** Whoa, okay. I just remembered this little thing called "ddrescue". This is probably what you need. You can install it with "sudo apt-get install gddrescue" and read about it by typing "info://ddrescue" into Konqueror's location bar. ********** Andrew -- 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2 From grey at dmiyu.org Mon Jun 2 04:57:38 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:57:38 -0700 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <200806012110.32092.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806011933.26069.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <484344D8.1040108@dmiyu.org> <200806012110.32092.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <48437DC2.7030000@dmiyu.org> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > Since when is "this sucks" and "I am going back to ...." constructive? What do > they build or help build? Absolutely nothing. Since when was that the extent of my comments? I believe I put a tad more than that into my issues with KDE4. Unlike your passive aggressiveness I was quite specific about where I was directing my ire. -- Steve C. 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And you honestly think that Canonical with its resources could not influence that? Tell me again where the first place users of Canonical's KDE based distribution might express their displeasure? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From nixternal at kubuntu.org Mon Jun 2 05:08:18 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:08:18 -0500 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <48437DC2.7030000@dmiyu.org> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806012110.32092.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <48437DC2.7030000@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200806020008.22302.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Sunday 01 June 2008, Steve Lamb wrote: | Richard A. Johnson wrote: | > Since when is "this sucks" and "I am going back to ...." constructive? | > What do they build or help build? Absolutely nothing. | | Since when was that the extent of my comments? I believe I put a tad | more than that into my issues with KDE4. Unlike your passive | aggressiveness I was quite specific about where I was directing my ire. I hope I didn't direct those comments at you, if I did then I apologize. I was just being generic in that, as I just read through the comments under the one thread and was catching stuff like that. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From nixternal at kubuntu.org Mon Jun 2 05:11:58 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:11:58 -0500 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <48437E3D.9050108@dmiyu.org> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806012137.56593.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <48437E3D.9050108@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200806020011.59224.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Sunday 01 June 2008, Steve Lamb wrote: | Richard A. Johnson wrote: | > Even if KDE 4 makes for a justified rant, why on a distribution list when | > we aren't the ones creating it or its future? | | And you honestly think that Canonical with its resources could not | influence that? Tell me again where the first place users of Canonical's | KDE based distribution might express their displeasure? Launchpad to be honest. If you have a problem with something, it makes more sense to file a bug, whether it is a certified bug or just a wishlist based item. It has a better chance of being addressed than in this mailing list. A majority of us typically look in here to provide support. Sometimes a good idea will catch our eyes. If you have a problem with something, then file a bug. I am once again being generic in utilizing the term 'you' as I do not mean you directly, but for anyone else who reads this. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From grey at dmiyu.org Mon Jun 2 05:16:13 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:16:13 -0700 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0806012041n2648a2f8ifdc4a92f178cfd0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <9bed467e0806010813w1b4c8f59g6116f370dc90e3cc@mail.gmail.com> <484305AB.3080606@dmiyu.org> <9bed467e0806012041n2648a2f8ifdc4a92f178cfd0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4843821D.2040504@dmiyu.org> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > No, no; it's a single movement. Drag "Application Launcher" straight > to where you want it from the "Add Widgets" menu. Don't add it to > your desktop first. > 1) This is not the thread to voice your displeasure. This thread > started as a request for help. Do you remember what the original > problem was without going back and looking at the original email? I > can't, I can. KDE4 was not starting, even after a fresh install. However the most likely cause has been narrowed down to prior to even KDM. If the directions to look in xsession-errors is any indication the problem is that X isn't completing its start up. No X, no KDM, no KDE. > and I doubt the OP will ever figure out a fix to the problem > because of this outburst of "displeasure" from so many users. If you > really need to get off this "KDE 4 stress" that is weighing you down, > please move it to another thread. Funny. I was agreeing with the OPs displeasure. Furthermore this is a public list. As people have often told me when you post it to a public list you pretty much lose control of the direction the conversation goes. > 2) Why should I have to filter my email? I stick around here because > I like to help (aren't you?). Actually lately I have asked more questions than answered lately. On the other hand none of them have really been answered. > I shouldn't have to waste my time filtering out irrelevant > (off-topic) messages. Except as has been pointed out, they're not off-topic. You may not /like/ them but liking them doesn't automatically make them off-topic. If that were the case I'd demand the power to make any message not to my liking off-topic and wield it with an iron FIST!!!! Mu-HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!! That thar's a joke, son. > 3) "The shoe fits"? I'm not sure I understand your metaphor. If you > are trying to say that your opinions about KDE 4 are relevant to this > thread, then I'm afraid you're mistaken. I'm telling Richard that if KDE4 sucks and that someone expresses that opinion, IE the shoe fits, then there's nothing wrong with that. > This thread is about the > *OP's* "Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy" and not *your* > "displeasures" (as opposed to *actual* problems) with KDE4. Which is being addressed. Since you didn't recall let me refresh your memory on what the OP said which prompted my response. ----- On Fri, May 30, 2008 3:16 pm, Rosalind Mitchell wrote: > > At this rate, when Impudent Ibex (or whatever it's called) comes out, I > > shall have to resort to the wretched GNOME. Aaaaargh! Wait, wait... They're actually going forward with KDE4 given how horrible it is compared to 3? ----- So are you agreeing with Richard that Rosalind should not have said she'd go back to Gnome? Are you saying that me expressing my displeasure at the notion of KUbuntu going to KDE4 in the next release is irrelevant and somehow off-topic to this, the KDE Ubuntu mailing list? I submit that you, Richard and Myriam need to grow a thicker skin. If none of you had jumped on my case for commiserating with Myriam this would not have happened. Public response begets public response. 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I started my previous response and quoted this section while I rebooted into KDE4. I had meant to test this and respond but hit send before doing so. Mea Culpa. For the record, this did work exactly as above. However one has to drag the icon itself. Dragging the text of the widget only minimizes the "Add Widgets" dialog. Not sure why. Anyway, thank you for pointing this out to me. Now to get that hidden copy off my desktop. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It has already been 3 weeks. > > Mike > > > >> If you are not entirely rushed, the best way is to wait for then new >> packages >> to be made available through the Canonical Partner repo >> >> That way you can guarantee that they will work, and no chickens will be >> harmed >> in any additional rituals. >> >> >> > > From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 09:28:34 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:28:34 +0200 Subject: Recovery "damaged" USB pen drive In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0806012103ta38f406kc1dcf211f88bb4f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <626640da0806011438s448def2fk4bc5bf90b1eb03ef@mail.gmail.com> <9bed467e0806012103ta38f406kc1dcf211f88bb4f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/2 Andrew Jarrett : > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Hector Barrios Molano wrote: >> Hi everybody >> A friend give me a "damaged" USB pen drive to fix it because in Windows show >> "insert disc on unit *", when I insert this pen drive on Kubuntu, kubuntu >> doesn't recognize it, in contrast whit my USB pen drive, I don't know why? >> >> I went to /dev/ and search my pen drive in sdc1 and I found two files sdc >> and sdc1, beside these was a file names sdb I guess that that is of the >> "damaged" pen drive. >> >> Then I wrote on console dmesg and it show me: >> >> [16073.639128] usb 5-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address >> 19 >> [16073.771574] usb 5-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice >> [16073.782906] scsi16 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices >> [16073.789187] usb-storage: device found at 19 >> [16073.789193] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning >> [16078.784584] usb-storage: device scan complete >> [16078.785569] scsi 16:0:0:0: Direct-Access USBest USB2FlashStorage >> 0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 >> [16078.801066] sd 16:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk >> [16078.801121] sd 16:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 >> >> This is the part where the system recognize the "damaged" pen drive >> >> >> Someone can help me to recovery the data inside the pen drive, is it >> possible?, to later format it, if it's necessary and possible. >> >> Thanks everyone and I hope you understand me and can help me. > > > I have never had to do this, but I assume it would be something like this: > 1) Mount pen drive (maybe read-only?) > 2) Run a command like the following: > dd noerror if=/dev/sdb1 of=/path/to/saved/image > > This should capture an image from your pen drive ("if") and save it to > ("of"). If it encounters read errors, it will continue ("noerror"). > > Again, I haven't really had to do this before, so you may want to do > some research on "dd". > > ***** Whoa, okay. I just remembered this little thing called > "ddrescue". This is probably what you need. You can install it with > "sudo apt-get install gddrescue" and read about it by typing > "info://ddrescue" into Konqueror's location bar. ********** > > Andrew > Hi The first thing to do is to make a backup of the drive to a disk image so you can work with it in case if something goes wrong. To make the backup i would use GNU ddrescue as Andrew suggested (there is also a dd_rescue tool but i have not used it) but don't mount the partition. If the partition table is damage i would use testdisk (it has worked very well form me to recover FAT/NTFS partitions) or gpart. To recover the data/files i would try PhotoRec, Foremost or Magic Rescue. Good luck / Jonas From jesus_arocho at comcast.net Mon Jun 2 09:43:57 2008 From: jesus_arocho at comcast.net (Jesus Arocho) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 05:43:57 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <9bed467e0806010813w1b4c8f59g6116f370dc90e3cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <9bed467e0806010813w1b4c8f59g6116f370dc90e3cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806020543.57553.jesus_arocho@comcast.net> On Sunday 01 June 2008 11:13:49 Andrew Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: > > I accidentally removed my K button from the far > > left and adding it places it at the far right. No movement. > > Right click the desktop -> Add Widgets -> Find "Application Launcher" > -> Click on it and drag it to the far left of your task bar > > It works for me. Make sure widgets are unlocked first. The Add Widgets option will not appear if Widgets are locked. If they are locked, you should see an ´Unlock Widgets ´ option when you right click on the desktop. If you click on Unlock Widgets, a second right click will reveal the Add Widgets option. From turgon at mike-leone.com Mon Jun 2 11:20:08 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:20:08 -0400 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <200806020011.59224.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806012137.56593.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <48437E3D.9050108@dmiyu.org> <200806020011.59224.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Richard A. Johnson wrote: > On Sunday 01 June 2008, Steve Lamb wrote: > | Richard A. Johnson wrote: > | > Even if KDE 4 makes for a justified rant, why on a distribution list when > | > we aren't the ones creating it or its future? > | > | And you honestly think that Canonical with its resources could not > | influence that? Tell me again where the first place users of Canonical's > | KDE based distribution might express their displeasure? > > Launchpad to be honest. If you have a problem with something, it makes more > sense to file a bug, whether it is a certified bug or just a wishlist based > item. It has a better chance of being addressed than in this mailing list. A > majority of us typically look in here to provide support. Sometimes a good idea > will catch our eyes. Mailing lists are more generally read than Launchpad wishlists/bugs. If I'm interested in using a new program, I know I'm much more likely to ask a mailing list for experiences or recommendations, than to read some bug filing site. Look at the rap that Windows Vista has for performance and compatibility; those opinions are certainly not limited to wishlist sites, and certainly contributes to the user perception of the program. The general perception of KDE4 is not positive, not from the majority of users. I know it influences users to hold off on using the program (I would be one of those). Users shouldn't be advised to withhold their opinions/reviews of software, in favor of just bug reports. Nor will they do so. :-) -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jun 2 12:05:23 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:05:23 -0400 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <5120672.HxSeVmGW1f@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200806012003.48825.art.alexion@verizon.net> <5120672.HxSeVmGW1f@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200806020805.29026.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 01 June 2008 21:04:53 Derek Broughton wrote: > Art Alexion wrote: > > > > Konqueror, possibly my favorite piece of software, is a second rate > > browser. > > Not third of fourth fate, but not first rate either.  It just doesn't > > work on a lot of web sites many of us need — with me, for instance, my > > bank. > > I understand your complaint, but I disagree with the reasoning.  It doesn't > work with your bank because it's a _first-rate_ browser, and your bank has > second-rate web programmers :-)  (OK, there are actually standards-based > problems with Konqueror, too, so it isn't as good as it should be, but I > agree with the developers that it shouldn't be running > in "handle-all-of-IE's-bugs mode"). Derek, I don't have the luxury of not using my bank's online banking service because it stretches standards. If we think of software as a tool,then I want a tool that does the job. I want a crowbar that will pull most all nails, bot just those nails that adhere to certain standards. In this "adherence to standards" debate, I lie with those who insist that software that *creates* stuff should adhere to standards when doing so, but software that *accesses* stuff should be able to access anything a user is likely to come across. That is what makes it a powerful and valuable tool. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From slewin at bmts.com Mon Jun 2 12:30:33 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:30:33 -0400 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806012137.56593.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <48437E3D.9050108@dmiyu.org> <200806020011.59224.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <4843E7E9.2010101@bmts.com> Michael Leone wrote: >> | Richard A. Johnson wrote: >> | > Even if KDE 4 makes for a justified rant, why on a distribution list when >> | > we aren't the ones creating it or its future? >> | >> | And you honestly think that Canonical with its resources could not >> | influence that? Tell me again where the first place users of Canonical's >> | KDE based distribution might express their displeasure? >> >> Launchpad to be honest. If you have a problem with something, it makes more >> sense to file a bug, whether it is a certified bug or just a wishlist based >> item. It has a better chance of being addressed than in this mailing list. A >> majority of us typically look in here to provide support. Sometimes a good idea >> will catch our eyes. > > Mailing lists are more generally read than Launchpad wishlists/bugs. > If I'm interested in using a new program, I know I'm much more likely > to ask a mailing list for experiences or recommendations, than to read > some bug filing site. What are you really trying to get out of this list if you are unwilling to tell the developers your problems? This list will have few, if any, KDE developers that will actually read your concerns. People's rants (Good and bad) are best said either on the develops list, where you are guaranteed to have developers, or submitted as a bug, where you are also guaranteed developers. I don't understand why you think developers ignore bug request like M$ does and I don't have a clue why someone would think this list would be best for ranting to developers. I also don't understand why these rants are allowed on this list and I really don't understand why people are being mistreated on this list for pointing that out; thank you Richard for trying. This list is only for help and Kubuntu discussion, not ranting. And, if you don't know, a rant is not a discussion because a discussion requires two-way communication and rants are only one-way. I know if rants are going to be allowed on this list I don't think I am going to help anymore people on this list because I already have enough kids here and I don't need to read about people whining like children on this list. I mean, I am not a fan of KDE4 myself right now, but I did the mature thing and wrote about the good things I like and submitted bug reports about the things I found wrong or don't like, and, what a surprise, I received responses from the developers. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 04:03:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:03:27 -0300 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200805302133.46630.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <28867855.I6DAntvMa4@cedar.serverforest.com> <200805302316.10861.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <52990.206.159.183.75.1212188323.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <9bed467e0806010813w1b4c8f59g6116f370dc90e3cc@mail.gmail.com> <484305AB.3080606@dmiyu.org> <9bed467e0806012041n2648a2f8ifdc4a92f178cfd0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1434792.s44ar2lVMu@cedar.serverforest.com> Andrew Jarrett wrote: > 1) This is not the thread to voice your displeasure. This thread > started as a request for help. Don't be silly. If we accept that he has a right to voice his displeasure on this list (obviously not universally accepted!), then what makes it any more wrong to do so in this thread than anywhere else. Nobody "owns" a thread. The further you get from the initiating post, the more every thread drifts (until, of course, the achievement of Godwin's law) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 13:15:18 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:15:18 -0300 Subject: Please keep it civil References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806012137.56593.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <48437E3D.9050108@dmiyu.org> <200806020011.59224.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <4843E7E9.2010101@bmts.com> Message-ID: <2872028.2YWtQMOUsh@cedar.serverforest.com> Scott wrote: > Michael Leone wrote: >> Mailing lists are more generally read than Launchpad wishlists/bugs. >> If I'm interested in using a new program, I know I'm much more likely >> to ask a mailing list for experiences or recommendations, than to read >> some bug filing site. > What are you really trying to get out of this list if you are unwilling > to tell the developers your problems? That should be "unwilling _or unable_". > This list will have few, if any, > KDE developers that will actually read your concerns. That's not supportable. Clearly a number of the senior developers _do_ read this list - as they post occasionally in response. Perhaps more importantly, a number of Canonical employees also read it. When you have a whole list of problems, and no clear idea where the problems begin, this is an entirely appropriate place to start. Nobody appreciates (or pays attention) to bugs filed against the whole of KDE on launchpad. > People's rants (Good and bad) are best said either on the develops list, > where you are guaranteed to have developers, or submitted as a bug, > where you are also guaranteed developers. I don't understand why you > think developers ignore bug request like M$ does and I don't have a clue > why someone would think this list would be best for ranting to developers. I don't understand why you think developers ignore users. My experience with developer lists is that they explicitly _don't_ want rants on the developer list. They want discussion of discrete issues, preferably with patch suggestions. > I also don't understand why these rants are allowed on this list and I > really don't understand why people are being mistreated on this list for > pointing that out; thank you Richard for trying. This list is only for > help and Kubuntu discussion, not ranting. That just deserves some foul language. I don't understand why people are continually allowed to try to invoke some right to limit discussion on this list. > I know if rants are going to > be allowed on this list I don't think I am going to help anymore people > on this list Good. Sorry, you just pushed my buttons. I don't need to read people telling me how they will only operate on their terms. It's a given, so just stop whining, and either stay or go. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 13:22:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:22:03 -0300 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200806012003.48825.art.alexion@verizon.net> <5120672.HxSeVmGW1f@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806020805.29026.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5861562.LEpHERDgYs@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > On Sunday 01 June 2008 21:04:53 Derek Broughton wrote: >> Art Alexion wrote: > >> > >> > Konqueror, possibly my favorite piece of software, is a second rate >> > browser. >> > Not third of fourth fate, but not first rate either.  It just doesn't >> > work on a lot of web sites many of us need — with me, for instance, my >> > bank. >> >> I understand your complaint, but I disagree with the reasoning.  It >> doesn't work with your bank because it's a _first-rate_ browser, and your >> bank has second-rate web programmers :-)  (OK, there are actually >> standards-based problems with Konqueror, too, so it isn't as good as it >> should be, but I agree with the developers that it shouldn't be running >> in "handle-all-of-IE's-bugs mode"). > > I don't have the luxury of not using my bank's online banking service > because it stretches standards. Yeah, I know - but at least complain to your bank. With the tools available these days, there's no excuse for web pages not being compliant. Run a page that doesn't work in Konqueror through the W3C validator, and send the results to the bank. > If we think of software as a tool,then I want a tool that does the job. I > want a crowbar that will pull most all nails, bot just those nails that > adhere to certain standards. > > In this "adherence to standards" debate, I lie with those who insist that > software that *creates* stuff should adhere to standards when doing so, > but software that *accesses* stuff should be able to access anything a > user is > likely to come across. That is what makes it a powerful and valuable > tool. I know, and I think that at times Konqueror is too strict about sticking to standards, versus actually working - but where do you draw the line? It probably isn't even possible to create a browser that can handle anything IE can, as I suspect many of its quirks were never intentional. -- derek From turgon at mike-leone.com Mon Jun 2 13:53:24 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:53:24 -0400 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <4843E7E9.2010101@bmts.com> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806012137.56593.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <48437E3D.9050108@dmiyu.org> <200806020011.59224.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <4843E7E9.2010101@bmts.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Scott wrote: > People's rants (Good and bad) are best said either on the develops list, > where you are guaranteed to have developers, or submitted as a bug, > where you are also guaranteed developers. I don't understand why you > think developers ignore bug request like M$ does and I don't have a clue > why someone would think this list would be best for ranting to developers. The few developer lists I've ever subscribed to explicitly do *NOT* want users ranting; they only want technical discussion, or problem descriptions. > I also don't understand why these rants are allowed on this list and I It's a discussion list, as has been repeatedly pointed out. These are discussions, not bug reports. And since they concern KDE and KUbuntu, they are entirely on-topic, and so *do* belong. Don't even get me started on "allowed" ... > communication and rants are only one-way. I know if rants are going to > be allowed on this list I don't think I am going to help anymore people > on this list because I already have enough kids here and I don't need to > read about people whining like children on this list. I mean, I am not Your choice. It's Linux - someone else probably will pick up the slack, or not, as the case may be. In any event, you are as free as others to either post (on topic), or not post, as you see fit. > a fan of KDE4 myself right now, but I did the mature thing and wrote > about the good things I like and submitted bug reports about the things > I found wrong or don't like, and, what a surprise, I received responses > from the developers. With that attitude, perhaps it's best that you chose to limit your help to end users, and instead concentrate on helping developers, by submitting bug reports. -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From barnaby at drofle.com Mon Jun 2 16:01:01 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:01:01 +0100 Subject: Using IMAP for the list Message-ID: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> have recently started receiving my emails for this list via a new server. This time I have set it up using IMAP instead of POP3. One difference between POP3 and IMAP is that, with IMAP, downloaded emails stay on the server until manually removed. I receive the emails OK and I can send them, but they do not stay on the server. Other emails which I download to my computer via this same server do stay on the server. (I look upon this a a sort of backup.) Is the list set up to remove downloaded emails from the server even when using IMAP? Or am I missing something somewhere? Thanks Neil Winchurst From Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com Mon Jun 2 16:05:41 2008 From: Timothy.Tipton at pxd.com (Tipton, Timothy) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:05:41 -0500 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> Message-ID: <0AD32CAF49BDD84C8F380DD11D2B1B96049546FD@Exchmid03.us.pioneernrc.pvt> > Is the list set up to remove downloaded emails from the server even when > using IMAP? Or am I missing something somewhere? I do believe all IMAP settings would be via your client or email server, not having anything to do with this list or its server. ********************************************************************** Statement of Confidentiality: This message may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Jun 2 16:20:23 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:20:23 -0700 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy In-Reply-To: <200806012018.27013.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200806010757.05241.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200806012018.27013.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200806020920.23990.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Sunday 01 June 2008 05:18:19 pm Art Alexion wrote: > On Sunday 01 June 2008 10:57:04 Pastor JW wrote: > > Do you mean by "clean install", to install the whole of 8.04?   That > > would be almost impossible for me as I also have work to do on my > > computer all day.  I did "mark for complete removal" KDE4 and then > > reinstalled it, but that does not fix the K menu button.  It is still > > over on the right hand side instead of the left where it started. > > I don't know what tool you used for "complete removal" The quoted line is the line displayed in the tool named "Synaptic Pakage Manager" which evidently does NOT do what it says it is going to do. > but they rarely > remove the ~/.config files. Try logging into your non-KDE, failsafe gui or > tty3 or something and removing the ~/.kde4-config files (that's not what > they are named, but you should be able to identify them, If KDE4 works > like KDE 2 & 3 and Gnome, that should trigger the default settings to be > recreated when you log into kde4 again. One can remove the config folder (thanks for that) and it will be recreated so it IS possible to start over! This time I'll make sure not to touch the Kmenu button. No, ...Actually, I think I'll just not use KDE4 until I am allowed to configure my system window as I want it > I haven't tried this and can't since I didn't install KDE4 on this > production machine, but it should work if KDE4 works like its predecessors. That sounds to me like the best idea. Like you, I just won't put it on anymore. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From karlok at fastmail.fm Mon Jun 2 16:42:19 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl Klinger) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:42:19 -0700 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> Message-ID: <484422EB.3040702@fastmail.fm> Neil Winchurst wrote: > have recently started receiving my emails for this list via a new > server. This time I have set it up using IMAP instead of POP3. One > difference between POP3 and IMAP is that, with IMAP, downloaded emails > stay on the server until manually removed. > > I receive the emails OK and I can send them, but they do not stay on the > server. Other emails which I download to my computer via this same > server do stay on the server. (I look upon this a a sort of backup.) > > Is the list set up to remove downloaded emails from the server even when > using IMAP? Or am I missing something somewhere? > > Thanks > > Neil Winchurst > I've been using IMAP for years. Never ran into this issue. Karl From lanzenesi at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 16:53:09 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:53:09 +0200 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> Message-ID: <48442575.3050902@gmail.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I receive the emails OK and I can send them, but they do not stay on the > server. Other emails which I download to my computer via this same > server do stay on the server. (I look upon this a a sort of backup.) It's probably only a matter of settings: check them out. Also, do you have any active filters on incoming mails? -- lanzen From barnaby at drofle.com Mon Jun 2 17:06:27 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:06:27 +0100 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <48442575.3050902@gmail.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <48442575.3050902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48442893.1040504@drofle.com> lanzen wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> I receive the emails OK and I can send them, but they do not stay on the >> server. Other emails which I download to my computer via this same >> server do stay on the server. (I look upon this a a sort of backup.) > > It's probably only a matter of settings: check them out. > Also, do you have any active filters on incoming mails? > Yes, I do filter the incoming emails when they are downloaded. Each email finishes up in one of two mailboxes which exist on my computer here at home but do not exist on the server. I expect it to work like this. All emails arrive at my server and are placed in the inbox. When they are downloaded to my computer they are sent to one or other of the two new mailboxes. So they are all together on my server, they are split up on my hard drive. Does that make a difference? Neil From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 2 17:00:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:00:27 -0300 Subject: Problems with KDE4 under Kubuntu Hardy References: <200805291609.20287.rcm@swimbarrow.co.uk> <200806010757.05241.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200806012018.27013.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200806020920.23990.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <5170053.D3DLmnMKOL@cedar.serverforest.com> Pastor JW wrote: > On Sunday 01 June 2008 05:18:19 pm Art Alexion wrote: >> On Sunday 01 June 2008 10:57:04 Pastor JW wrote: >> > Do you mean by "clean install", to install the whole of 8.04?   That >> > would be almost impossible for me as I also have work to do on my >> > computer all day.  I did "mark for complete removal" KDE4 and then >> > reinstalled it, but that does not fix the K menu button.  It is still >> > over on the right hand side instead of the left where it started. >> >> I don't know what tool you used for "complete removal" > > The quoted line is the line displayed in the tool named "Synaptic Pakage > Manager" which evidently does NOT do what it says it is going to do. To be fair to synaptic, there's no such thing as "complete" removal. Nothing in your own home directories is ever removed by package management. Consider that package management is done by root: how could it ever be right for root to decide what should be in /home/pastorjw/? -- derek From lanzenesi at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 17:15:20 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:15:20 +0200 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <48442893.1040504@drofle.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <48442575.3050902@gmail.com> <48442893.1040504@drofle.com> Message-ID: <48442AA8.8070403@gmail.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I expect it to work like this. All emails arrive at my server and are > placed in the inbox. When they are downloaded to my computer they are > sent to one or other of the two new mailboxes. So they are all together > on my server, they are split up on my hard drive. Does that make a > difference? Well, if the filtering action is "move", they'll be deleted from the server. You want "copy". You could copy to your HD and also to a different folder on the server, say an folder called archive or something meaningful to to you. -- lanzen From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 17:36:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:36:10 +0300 Subject: Setting default page size for printing Message-ID: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> Although in Kcontrol I have the default page size set as A4, any time I print (even from KDE apps) I have to change the Properties from "letter" to A4. Why? How do I fix that? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net Mon Jun 2 18:01:59 2008 From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:01:59 -0700 Subject: Please keep it civil In-Reply-To: <4843E7E9.2010101@bmts.com> References: <200806011703.02051.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <4843E7E9.2010101@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806021101.59540.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> On Mon June 2 2008 05:30:33 Scott wrote: > I mean, I am not a fan of KDE4 myself right now, but I did the mature > thing and wrote about the good things I like and submitted bug reports > about the things I found wrong or don't like Please consider that by not writing about the bad things in the same context as the good your are presenting a biased perspective. Such perspectives may be appropriate to marketing laundry detergents but they don't help people here decide which version of KDE to use. --Mike Bird From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 18:14:42 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:14:42 +0200 Subject: Setting default page size for printing In-Reply-To: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Although in Kcontrol I have the default page size set as A4, any time > I print (even from KDE apps) I have to change the Properties from > "letter" to A4. Why? How do I fix that? Thanks in advance. > > Dotan Cohen > Total me too email. I have been fight this for 2 years now. I have set every setting I can think of and then it goes right back to letter. -- Douglas E Knapp 1. Sun Tzu said: Raising a host of a hundred thousand men and marching them great distances entails heavy loss on the people and a drain on the resources of the State. The daily expenditure will amount to a thousand ounces of silver. There will be commotion at home and abroad, and men will drop down exhausted on the highways. As many as seven hundred thousand families will be impeded in their labor. 2. Hostile armies may face each other for years, striving for the victory which is decided in a single day. This being so, to remain in ignorance of the enemy's condition simply because one grudges the outlay of a hundred ounces of silver in honors and emoluments, is the height of inhumanity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Mon Jun 2 18:38:04 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:38:04 +0100 Subject: Setting default page size for printing In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806021938.04439.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> On Monday 02 June 2008 19:14:42 Knapp wrote: > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Although in Kcontrol I have the default page size set as A4, any time > > I print (even from KDE apps) I have to change the Properties from > > "letter" to A4. Why? How do I fix that? Thanks in advance. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > Total me too email. I have been fight this for 2 years now. I have set > every setting I can think of and then it goes right back to letter. What are the contents of /etc/papersize? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 19:52:59 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:52:59 +0300 Subject: Setting default page size for printing In-Reply-To: <200806021938.04439.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> References: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> <200806021938.04439.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00806021252j1aa934dam17df5cf4dbdf7e90@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/2 Mark Fraser : > What are the contents of /etc/papersize? > $ cat /etc/papersize letter Should I simply replace that with A4 in vi as root? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Mon Jun 2 20:09:08 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:09:08 +0100 Subject: Setting default page size for printing In-Reply-To: <880dece00806021252j1aa934dam17df5cf4dbdf7e90@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> <200806021938.04439.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00806021252j1aa934dam17df5cf4dbdf7e90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806022109.08856.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> On Monday 02 June 2008 20:52:59 Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/2 Mark Fraser : > > What are the contents of /etc/papersize? > > $ cat /etc/papersize > letter > > Should I simply replace that with A4 in vi as root? Might be worth trying, I've never had a problem with paper size. You might want to try the Other tab in Regional & Language section of System Settings. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Jun 2 20:40:13 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:40:13 -0700 Subject: Setting default page size for printing In-Reply-To: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806021340.13153.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Monday 02 June 2008 10:36:10 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > Although in Kcontrol I have the default page size set as A4, any time > I print (even from KDE apps) I have to change the Properties from > "letter" to A4. Why? How do I fix that? Thanks in advance. On my setup this is changed and saved in the Print box that comes up whenever you print something. Over to the right there is a little box which says "properties" where when opened allows you to change things about the printer defaults, If you change something and then hit the save button at the bottom, it will be your default the next time up. If you just change it, it will use those settings this time but the next time up it will revert to what it was. Useful for me because I occasionally print Photos which are both higher resolution and on different paper. It reverts to my normal settings when I'm done. That has always worked for me. I did not know there was even a place to do this in Kcontrol. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 20:41:16 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:41:16 +0300 Subject: Setting default page size for printing In-Reply-To: <200806022109.08856.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> References: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> <200806021938.04439.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00806021252j1aa934dam17df5cf4dbdf7e90@mail.gmail.com> <200806022109.08856.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00806021341nec8b7d8uea5f50246748e866@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/2 Mark Fraser : >> Should I simply replace that with A4 in vi as root? > > Might be worth trying, I've never had a problem with paper size. You might > want to try the Other tab in Regional & Language section of System Settings. > That is the place that I have set A4 in the first place. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 20:42:47 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:42:47 +0200 Subject: Setting default page size for printing In-Reply-To: <880dece00806021252j1aa934dam17df5cf4dbdf7e90@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> <200806021938.04439.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> <880dece00806021252j1aa934dam17df5cf4dbdf7e90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/2 Dotan Cohen : > 2008/6/2 Mark Fraser : > > What are the contents of /etc/papersize? > > > > $ cat /etc/papersize > letter > > Should I simply replace that with A4 in vi as root? > > Dotan Cohen > Changed it started open office and still had the letter setting. I went into system settings, regions, other and changed that at a4, restarted OO and still had letter. Have not restarted the whole computer yet, maybe that will help but that is for another day. -- Douglas E Knapp 1. Sun Tzu said: Raising a host of a hundred thousand men and marching them great distances entails heavy loss on the people and a drain on the resources of the State. The daily expenditure will amount to a thousand ounces of silver. There will be commotion at home and abroad, and men will drop down exhausted on the highways. As many as seven hundred thousand families will be impeded in their labor. 2. Hostile armies may face each other for years, striving for the victory which is decided in a single day. This being so, to remain in ignorance of the enemy's condition simply because one grudges the outlay of a hundred ounces of silver in honors and emoluments, is the height of inhumanity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Over to the right there is a little box which > says "properties" where when opened allows you to change things about the > printer defaults, If you change something and then hit the save button at the > bottom, it will be your default the next time up. If you just change it, it > will use those settings this time but the next time up it will revert to what > it was. Useful for me because I occasionally print Photos which are both > higher resolution and on different paper. It reverts to my normal settings > when I'm done. That has always worked for me. I did not know there was even > a place to do this in Kcontrol. > Thanks, using the Save feature did, in fact, save those settings. How painfully obvious. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Jun 3 09:53:23 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:53:23 +0100 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <48442AA8.8070403@gmail.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <48442575.3050902@gmail.com> <48442893.1040504@drofle.com> <48442AA8.8070403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48451493.603@drofle.com> lanzen wrote: > Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> I expect it to work like this. All emails arrive at my server and are >> placed in the inbox. When they are downloaded to my computer they are >> sent to one or other of the two new mailboxes. So they are all together >> on my server, they are split up on my hard drive. Does that make a >> difference? > > Well, if the filtering action is "move", they'll be deleted from the > server. You want "copy". You could copy to your HD and also to a > different folder on the server, say an folder called archive or > something meaningful to to you. > Well, I have checked and, yes, I had the filtering set as move. I have now changed it to copy. I think I have not understood how IMAP works. Can I check please? I created two new mail boxes on my HD at home. Then I set the filter to place each email in one or the other of those new boxes. This was all done on the home HD. I did not do anything on the server. I expected all emails to be placed in the Inbox on the server and to stay there. I expected the filtering to effect my home HD only and that all the emails should remain on the server in the Inbox. Is this wrong? I find that the emails are correctly placed in the relevant mail box on my home computer, but I can not find them on the server. They do not appear in the Inbox on the server, or anywhere that I can see. This is what is puzzling me. Should I have set up two new matching mail boxes on the server and then filtered them on the server as well? Thanks for any help Neil Winchurst From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 10:31:22 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:31:22 +0300 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <48451493.603@drofle.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <48442575.3050902@gmail.com> <48442893.1040504@drofle.com> <48442AA8.8070403@gmail.com> <48451493.603@drofle.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40806030331s5bdcfb2at2eae08d62611c155@mail.gmail.com> placing 2 folders on the server should work, but remember, that these will appear in your IMAP folder tree, and these emails wont be stored on your driver unless you select them to be used offline. having your email client copy the emails will copy those emails to your local folder and leave the message on the server wherever it was (inbox?). imagine IMAP as a remote control of the folders on the server. you move your messages between different folders in your IMAP account, they get moved between these folders on the server. move them to a local folder, and they will quite literally be moved to your local folder, that is, removed from the server, since your local folders are not mapped to any folder on the server. 2008/6/3 Neil Winchurst : > lanzen wrote: > > Neil Winchurst wrote: > > > >> I expect it to work like this. All emails arrive at my server and are > >> placed in the inbox. When they are downloaded to my computer they are > >> sent to one or other of the two new mailboxes. So they are all together > >> on my server, they are split up on my hard drive. Does that make a > >> difference? > > > > Well, if the filtering action is "move", they'll be deleted from the > > server. You want "copy". You could copy to your HD and also to a > > different folder on the server, say an folder called archive or > > something meaningful to to you. > > > Well, I have checked and, yes, I had the filtering set as move. I have > now changed it to copy. > > I think I have not understood how IMAP works. Can I check please? I > created two new mail boxes on my HD at home. Then I set the filter to > place each email in one or the other of those new boxes. This was all > done on the home HD. I did not do anything on the server. > > I expected all emails to be placed in the Inbox on the server and to > stay there. I expected the filtering to effect my home HD only and that > all the emails should remain on the server in the Inbox. Is this wrong? > I find that the emails are correctly placed in the relevant mail box on > my home computer, but I can not find them on the server. They do not > appear in the Inbox on the server, or anywhere that I can see. This is > what is puzzling me. > > Should I have set up two new matching mail boxes on the server and then > filtered them on the server as well? > > Thanks for any help > > Neil Winchurst > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jun 3 02:21:02 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:21:02 -0300 Subject: Setting default page size for printing References: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50551807.bnIQxBIgZO@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Although in Kcontrol I have the default page size set as A4, any time >> I print (even from KDE apps) I have to change the Properties from >> "letter" to A4. Why? How do I fix that? Thanks in advance. >> >> Dotan Cohen >> > > > Total me too email. I have been fight this for 2 years now. I have set > every setting I can think of and then it goes right back to letter. > How odd. I routinely find apps wanting to use A4, even though I set Letter as my default :( -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 12:44:14 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:44:14 +0300 Subject: Setting default page size for printing In-Reply-To: <50551807.bnIQxBIgZO@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> <50551807.bnIQxBIgZO@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806030544x5b00e789vf2dd7e18b2f22c50@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/3 Derek Broughton : > Knapp wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> Although in Kcontrol I have the default page size set as A4, any time >>> I print (even from KDE apps) I have to change the Properties from >>> "letter" to A4. Why? How do I fix that? Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Dotan Cohen >>> >> >> >> Total me too email. I have been fight this for 2 years now. I have set >> every setting I can think of and then it goes right back to letter. >> > > How odd. I routinely find apps wanting to use A4, even though I set Letter > as my default :( > -- > derek > > That's it then! I'll set for letter, you set for A4, and we'll fool the bastards! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Jun 3 14:06:04 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:06:04 +0100 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <15edeae40806030331s5bdcfb2at2eae08d62611c155@mail.gmail.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <48442575.3050902@gmail.com> <48442893.1040504@drofle.com> <48442AA8.8070403@gmail.com> <48451493.603@drofle.com> <15edeae40806030331s5bdcfb2at2eae08d62611c155@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48454FCC.6070003@drofle.com> Willy Hamra wrote: > placing 2 folders on the server should work, but remember, that these > will appear in your IMAP folder tree, and these emails wont be stored on > your driver unless you select them to be used offline. having your email > client copy the emails will copy those emails to your local folder and > leave the message on the server wherever it was (inbox?). > imagine IMAP as a remote control of the folders on the server. you move > your messages between different folders in your IMAP account, they get > moved between these folders on the server. move them to a local folder, > and they will quite literally be moved to your local folder, that is, > removed from the server, since your local folders are not mapped to any > folder on the server. > > Thanks for all that. I have been using Google to find out more about IMAP. Now that I have followed advice and changed the filters from Move to Copy I do indeed see the filtered emails in the Inbox, as well as the copied to box. so I now get them twice. What I still do not understand is this. Working on my local computer I have created two new mail boxes (folders) ready for the filtered emails, which I see when I am using Thunderbird. I see the contents too. But, when I go to the server (on my personal web site) I do not see these new folders, so I can't look at the contents when using web-mail. Since I have created them, why can't I see them both on my local computer and on the server? Neil Winchurst From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Jun 3 14:48:37 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:48:37 +0100 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <48454FCC.6070003@drofle.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <48442575.3050902@gmail.com> <48442893.1040504@drofle.com> <48442AA8.8070403@gmail.com> <48451493.603@drofle.com> <15edeae40806030331s5bdcfb2at2eae08d62611c155@mail.gmail.com> <48454FCC.6070003@drofle.com> Message-ID: <484559C5.8040904@drofle.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > > Thanks for all that. I have been using Google to find out more about > IMAP. Now that I have followed advice and changed the filters from Move > to Copy I do indeed see the filtered emails in the Inbox, as well as the > copied to box. so I now get them twice. > > What I still do not understand is this. Working on my local computer I > have created two new mail boxes (folders) ready for the filtered emails, > which I see when I am using Thunderbird. I see the contents too. > > But, when I go to the server (on my personal web site) I do not see > these new folders, so I can't look at the contents when using web-mail. > Since I have created them, why can't I see them both on my local > computer and on the server? > > Neil Winchurst > Replying to myself: After more research I have found the problem and I can now see all folders on web mail as well as on my local computer. Thanks for all the help from everyone. I have certainly learnt a lot about IMAP over the last couple of days. Neil From k7qo at commspeed.net Tue Jun 3 16:10:19 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (chuck adams) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:10:19 -0700 Subject: nvidia-glx-new June 3, 2008 fix fixes problems previously reported Message-ID: <200806030910.19883.k7qo@commspeed.net> My heartfelt thanks to the individual or individuals that fixed the previously reported problem with nvidia-glx-new for an AMD64x2 motherboard from ECS Elitegroup. Todays update fixed the problem. I reloaded Kubuntu 8.04 release and upgraded nvidia-glx-new and the reboot brought up the high-resolution display as desired and needed. I do appreciate the effort that the cast of thousands expend daily in making ubuntu/kubuntu one of the most popular and one of the most used LINUX distributions in the Universe. It is not easy and those that complain from the sidelines need to take a good look at how much time and energy goes in behind the scenes. While awaiting the fix I spent some time loading openSUSE 11.0 RC1 AMD64 and playing with it. It did come up with the nvidia display in high resolution, but I really really don't like the software manager at all. The adept package manager and the other command line and gui tools really are going to make unbuntu/kubuntu my system of choice. I have removed openSUSE and even though I reported some bugs there and they are/were being worked on and fixed I will probably not reload and use it. I am a happy camper with 8.04. So, I owe someone lunch the next time I see them if I find the person that did the work. FYI chuck -- chuck adams, k7qo k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Jun 3 16:17:24 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:17:24 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird question Message-ID: <200806031217.25140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> I've been looking at Thunderbird as a possible email client but am perplexed by one thing: If there is a URL present in an email, and it's underlined and blue (indicating that T-bird knows its a URL) clicking on it does not do anything. Obviously there must be a setting somewhere telling T-bird what application to use (as in Firefox) but I have looked from one end of T-bird to the other and can't find any such setting. Could someone hit me with a clue? Thanks. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jun 3 16:16:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:16:13 -0300 Subject: Using IMAP for the list References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <48442575.3050902@gmail.com> <48442893.1040504@drofle.com> <48442AA8.8070403@gmail.com> <48451493.603@drofle.com> Message-ID: <2288029.7fF77ZrPNH@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I think I have not understood how IMAP works. Can I check please? I > created two new mail boxes on my HD at home. Then I set the filter to > place each email in one or the other of those new boxes. This was all > done on the home HD. I did not do anything on the server. If they're really mailboxes, as opposed to folders under your IMAP account, then yes - moving them with a KMail filter will remove them from the server. If you create them as folders on the IMAP server, you can (iirc) create a KMail filter that will move them between the folders (deleting them from the source folder) but it's a band-width intensive activity because the whole message gets downloaded, then uploaded... > > I expected all emails to be placed in the Inbox on the server and to > stay there. I expected the filtering to effect my home HD only and that > all the emails should remain on the server in the Inbox. Is this wrong? If you tell it to "move" mails, then yes. Move implies "copy and delete". > Should I have set up two new matching mail boxes on the server and then > filtered them on the server as well? I'd suggest filtering them on the server _instead_, if it's possible for you. -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 16:32:02 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:32:02 +0300 Subject: Thunderbird question In-Reply-To: <200806031217.25140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200806031217.25140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48457202.3050207@gmail.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > I've been looking at Thunderbird as a possible email client but am perplexed > by one thing: > > If there is a URL present in an email, and it's underlined and blue > (indicating that T-bird knows its a URL) clicking on it does not do > anything. > > Obviously there must be a setting somewhere telling T-bird what application to > use (as in Firefox) but I have looked from one end of T-bird to the other and > can't find any such setting. > > Could someone hit me with a clue? > > Thanks. > check system settings-->default applications-->web browser, and make sure there is a default browser there, like "firefox-3.0 -new-tab" in most cases, this is a problem with the system default web browser rather than a problem with thunderbird itself. -- Willy K. 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From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jun 3 16:18:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:18:05 -0300 Subject: Using IMAP for the list References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <48442575.3050902@gmail.com> <48442893.1040504@drofle.com> <48442AA8.8070403@gmail.com> <48451493.603@drofle.com> <15edeae40806030331s5bdcfb2at2eae08d62611c155@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2241859.xCyP5LXOA9@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy Hamra wrote: > placing 2 folders on the server should work, but remember, that these will > appear in your IMAP folder tree, and these emails wont be stored on your > driver unless you select them to be used offline. having your email client > copy the emails will copy those emails to your local folder and leave the > message on the server wherever it was (inbox?). > imagine IMAP as a remote control of the folders on the server. you move > your messages between different folders in your IMAP account, they get > moved between these folders on the server. move them to a local folder, > and they will quite literally be moved to your local folder, that is, > removed from the server, since your local folders are not mapped to any > folder on the server. Of course you can use "disconnected IMAP" if you prefer, in which case you get local copies of everything on your local system and synchronize with the IMAP server. -- derek From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jun 3 17:39:12 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:39:12 -0400 Subject: Setting default page size for printing In-Reply-To: <50551807.bnIQxBIgZO@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00806021036o75747f5fp55e81b832fe1b545@mail.gmail.com> <50551807.bnIQxBIgZO@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200806031339.18650.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 02 June 2008 10:21:02 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > How odd.  I routinely find apps wanting to use A4, even though I set Letter > as my default :( Me too. Perhaps the international settings are inverted to achieve international parity in annoyance. ;-{0> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking further that might be a bad idea if one's account is GMail's when tons of bytes get copied on his/hers system. -- lanzen From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Jun 3 18:00:37 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:00:37 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird question (solved) In-Reply-To: <484571F3.3010301@swbell.net> References: <200806031217.25140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <484571F3.3010301@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200806031400.37477.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > Bruce Marshall wrote: > > I've been looking at Thunderbird as a possible email client but am > > perplexed by one thing: > > > > If there is a URL present in an email, and it's underlined and blue > > (indicating that T-bird knows its a URL) clicking on it does not do > > anything. > > > > Obviously there must be a setting somewhere telling T-bird what > > application to use (as in Firefox) but I have looked from one end of > > T-bird to the other and can't find any such setting. > > > > Could someone hit me with a clue? > > > > Thanks. > > OK, here goes: > > Edit > Preferences > Advanced > General Tab > Config Editor > > Add: > > network.protocol-handler.app.http {and your choice of browser} > network.protocol-handler.app.https {and your choice of browser} The above didn't work.... nor did the other suggestion of sytem-settings and setting the default browser. (which was already set) What I found worked, was: 1) putting network.protocol-handler.expose.http true in the config. (might also need one for 'https') 2) Adding the above, causes T-bird to ask what you want to do when clicking on an HTML file and you can then select your favorite browser and also tell it to always open files with that browser. This was under: edit --> preferences --> atachments --> actions After doing (1), T-bird added the entry to actions based on my selection when clicking on a HTML file. I would think that T-bird would open URL's without needed all this prodding. Kmail doesn't have that problem... but then, Kmail can look to the KDE default settings. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Jun 3 18:46:34 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:46:34 -0500 Subject: Thunderbird question (solved) In-Reply-To: <200806031400.37477.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200806031217.25140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <484571F3.3010301@swbell.net> <200806031400.37477.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <4845918A.6030603@swbell.net> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >> >>> I've been looking at Thunderbird as a possible email client but am >>> perplexed by one thing: >>> >>> If there is a URL present in an email, and it's underlined and blue >>> (indicating that T-bird knows its a URL) clicking on it does not do >>> anything. >>> >>> Obviously there must be a setting somewhere telling T-bird what >>> application to use (as in Firefox) but I have looked from one end of >>> T-bird to the other and can't find any such setting. >>> >>> Could someone hit me with a clue? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >> OK, here goes: >> >> Edit >> Preferences >> Advanced >> General Tab >> Config Editor >> >> Add: >> >> network.protocol-handler.app.http {and your choice of browser} >> network.protocol-handler.app.https {and your choice of browser} >> > > The above didn't work.... nor did the other suggestion of sytem-settings and > setting the default browser. (which was already set) > > What I found worked, was: > > 1) putting network.protocol-handler.expose.http true in the config. > > (might also need one for 'https') > > 2) Adding the above, causes T-bird to ask what you want to do when clicking on > an HTML file and you can then select your favorite browser and also tell it > to always open files with that browser. This was under: > > edit --> preferences --> atachments --> actions > > After doing (1), T-bird added the entry to actions based on my selection when > clicking on a HTML file. > > I would think that T-bird would open URL's without needed all this prodding. > Kmail doesn't have that problem... but then, Kmail can look to the KDE > default settings. > > > > That has fixed many systems. Did you put in the name of your preferred browser when you did the network.protocol-handler.app.http? -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jun 3 18:39:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:39:10 -0300 Subject: Using IMAP for the list References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <15edeae40806030331s5bdcfb2at2eae08d62611c155@mail.gmail.com> <2241859.xCyP5LXOA9@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806031950.04420.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3133922.SaDsqvqo3o@cedar.serverforest.com> lanzen wrote: > On Tuesday 03 June 2008 18:18:05 Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Of course you can use "disconnected IMAP" if you prefer, in which case >> you get local copies of everything on your local system and synchronize >> with the IMAP server. > > I don't think you can have that in Thunderbird which is what the OP is > using. He is? There was mention of Thunderbird, indeed, but the OP didn't say that (at least in the OP...). > Looking further that might be a bad idea if one's account is GMail's when > tons of bytes get copied on his/hers system. Yes, well, I'm not sure just how smart dIMAP is these days - I stopped using it myself when it was still quite primitive. You certainly don't want to have GBs being copied across the net. -- derek From lanzenesi at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 19:13:37 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:13:37 +0200 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <3133922.SaDsqvqo3o@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <200806031950.04420.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <3133922.SaDsqvqo3o@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200806032113.37723.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Tuesday 03 June 2008 20:39:10 Derek Broughton wrote: > He is?  There was mention of Thunderbird, indeed, but the OP didn't say > that (at least in the OP...). LOL! Indeed it was a very good advert for kmail although you're a well known knoder here. ;) -- lanzen From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Jun 3 19:41:36 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:41:36 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird question (solved) In-Reply-To: <4845918A.6030603@swbell.net> References: <200806031217.25140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200806031400.37477.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4845918A.6030603@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200806031541.36675.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: > That has fixed many systems. Did you put in the name of your preferred > browser when you did the network.protocol-handler.app.http? Yes From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 21:20:42 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:20:42 +0300 Subject: Thunderbird question (solved) In-Reply-To: <200806031541.36675.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200806031217.25140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200806031400.37477.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4845918A.6030603@swbell.net> <200806031541.36675.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806031420r47caa83v6d3a289583ccf366@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/3 Bruce Marshall : > On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >> That has fixed many systems. Did you put in the name of your preferred >> browser when you did the network.protocol-handler.app.http? > > Yes > Look in user.js and make sure that the line looks something like this: user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/usr/bin/firefox"); Season to taste, and don't forget https and ftp. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From anton at wilddsl.net.au Wed Jun 4 03:15:00 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:15:00 +1000 Subject: Thunderbird question (solved) In-Reply-To: <200806031400.37477.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200806031217.25140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <484571F3.3010301@swbell.net> <200806031400.37477.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <484608B4.1070708@wilddsl.net.au> Hi Bruce, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Billie Walsh wrote: >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> I've been looking at Thunderbird as a possible email client but am >>> perplexed by one thing: >>> >>> If there is a URL present in an email, and it's underlined and blue >>> (indicating that T-bird knows its a URL) clicking on it does not do >>> anything. > What I found worked, was: > > 1) putting network.protocol-handler.expose.http true in the config. > > (might also need one for 'https') > > 2) Adding the above, causes T-bird to ask what you want to do when clicking on > an HTML file and you can then select your favorite browser and also tell it > to always open files with that browser. This was under: > > edit --> preferences --> atachments --> actions > > After doing (1), T-bird added the entry to actions based on my selection when > clicking on a HTML file. Could you tell us which versions of Thunderbird, Firefox and Kubuntu that the above applies to ? Regards, Anton. From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 06:59:15 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:59:15 +0400 Subject: 8.04, Nvidia proprietary, failed logout In-Reply-To: <200805260929.08034.prudek@bvx.cz> References: <200805260929.08034.prudek@bvx.cz> Message-ID: <48463D43.30603@gmail.com> Milos Prudek пишет: > I upgraded 7.04 -> 7.10 -> 8.04. Everything worked perfectly. But nvidia > proprietary drivers did not (I had the correct packages - nvidia-glx - for my > GeForce4). So I removed nvidia-glx package and installed binary proprietary > driver from NVidia website. > > Now everything works perfectly except logout. I use kdm. Logout from KDE > results in a blank screen that does not react to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. > > Workaround is: switch to a text console (Ctrl-Alt-F2), login as root, > run /etc/init.d/kdm restart. > > How can I fix this? I had such problem too. It disappeared when i installed newest nvidia driver from their site - NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.05-pkg1.run. I wonder if this driver is already in repositories. From barnaby at drofle.com Wed Jun 4 07:39:43 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:39:43 +0100 Subject: Using IMAP for the list In-Reply-To: <200806032113.37723.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <4844193D.1070708@drofle.com> <200806031950.04420.lanzenesi@gmail.com> <3133922.SaDsqvqo3o@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806032113.37723.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <484646BF.8070105@drofle.com> lanzen wrote: > On Tuesday 03 June 2008 20:39:10 Derek Broughton wrote: > >> He is? �There was mention of Thunderbird, indeed, but the OP didn't say >> that (at least in the OP...). > > LOL! Indeed it was a very good advert for kmail although you're a well known > knoder here. ;) > As the originator of this thread, yes I do use Thunderbird, and the more I use it the more pleased I am with it. And no, I don't use Gmail. And again, thanks for all the help. I now know a lot more about IMAP and it is all sorted for me. Best wishes Neil Winchurst From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 08:28:51 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:28:51 +0300 Subject: No cursors in Kcontrol? Message-ID: <880dece00806040128m530e4247i86356192d6ddeadb@mail.gmail.com> In Kcontrol I need to change a cursor to work around a bug in xfree. However, the page for cursors is either gone or moved. I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 and in Kcontrol -> Appearance and Themes I have: * GTK styles and fonts * fonts * theme manager * action feedback * style * icons * colours * window decorations * background * screensaver Should there not be a separate page for cursors? Where is it? Thanks in advance. Note: Message crossposted to kde list in case this is not a kubuntu specific problem. I don't have access to my Fedora box at the moment to check. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jun 4 08:35:21 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:35:21 +0100 Subject: No cursors in Kcontrol? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806040128m530e4247i86356192d6ddeadb@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806040128m530e4247i86356192d6ddeadb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484653C9.605@tiscali.co.uk> Dotan Cohen wrote: > In Kcontrol I need to change a cursor to work around a bug in xfree. > However, the page for cursors is either gone or moved. I'm using > Kubuntu 8.04 and in Kcontrol -> Appearance and Themes I have: > * GTK styles and fonts > * fonts > * theme manager > * action feedback > * style > * icons > * colours > * window decorations > * background > * screensaver > > Should there not be a separate page for cursors? Where is it? Thanks in advance. KControl -> Peripherals/Mouse/Cursor Theme (tab)... :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 08:42:34 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:42:34 +0300 Subject: No cursors in Kcontrol? In-Reply-To: <484653C9.605@tiscali.co.uk> References: <880dece00806040128m530e4247i86356192d6ddeadb@mail.gmail.com> <484653C9.605@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00806040142i76f73192k3a661006dadd5e06@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/4 Wulfy : >> Should there not be a separate page for cursors? Where is it? Thanks in advance. > KControl -> Peripherals/Mouse/Cursor Theme (tab)... :@) > Thank you! I did not even think to look there. Here, I can change the cursor theme, but is there a way to change a single cursor? All the themes are [not attractive as the default theme] however, xfree and compiz have problems with the animated cursors. So I'd like to leave most the beautiful cursors as they are, yet replace the animated ones. Or, should I make my own theme? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 08:48:13 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:48:13 +0200 Subject: No cursors in Kcontrol? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806040128m530e4247i86356192d6ddeadb@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806040128m530e4247i86356192d6ddeadb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484656CD.5070804@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > In Kcontrol I need to change a cursor to work around a bug in xfree. > However, the page for cursors is either gone or moved. I'm using > Kubuntu 8.04 and in Kcontrol -> Appearance and Themes I have: > * GTK styles and fonts > * fonts > * theme manager > * action feedback > * style > * icons > * colours > * window decorations > * background > * screensaver > > Should there not be a separate page for cursors? Where is it? Thanks in advance. > > Note: Message crossposted to kde list in case this is not a kubuntu > specific problem. I don't have access to my Fedora box at the moment > to check. > Look in Peripherals - Mouse and you will find the cursors. Sinclair From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Jun 4 14:02:18 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:02:18 -0400 Subject: Thunderbird question (solved) In-Reply-To: <484608B4.1070708@wilddsl.net.au> References: <200806031217.25140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200806031400.37477.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <484608B4.1070708@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <200806041002.18664.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Anton Rolls wrote: > > What I found worked, was: > > > > 1) putting   network.protocol-handler.expose.http   true     in the > > config. > > > > (might also need one for  'https') > > > > 2) Adding the above, causes T-bird to ask what you want to do when > > clicking on an HTML file  and you can then select your favorite browser > > and also tell it to always open files with that browser.   This was > > under: > > > > edit  -->  preferences -->  atachments  -->   actions > > > > After doing (1), T-bird added the entry to actions based on my selection > > when clicking on a HTML file. > > Could you tell us which versions of Thunderbird, Firefox > and Kubuntu that the above applies to ? Running kubuntu 8.04 here.... T-bird is 2.0.0.4 and Firefox is either of 3.0b5 or 2.0.0.4 (I don't think it matters) From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Jun 4 18:22:43 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:22:43 +0300 Subject: Jockey-KDE & taskbar Message-ID: <4846DD73.1010105@rmk.co.il> OK, so I did the latest update on my Dell Inspiron 1525 and I now have a jockey-kde icon on my taskbar (it informs me that I have a proprietary driver installed - for the wireless card). Great! Now how do I get rid of it? The icon, I mean - not the proprietary driver. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From valtermura at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 18:36:10 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:36:10 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice.org language issue Message-ID: <200806042036.10413.valtermura@gmail.com> Hi All, does anybody know why, after the last update of the OS, Adept asked me to *update* OpenOffice.org to v. 2.4.1. but has *uninstalled* the Italian language pack and the Italian Help? Using Kubuntu 8.04 Bye -- Valter Gnupgp ID: 0xD7274715 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 18:50:17 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:50:17 +0300 Subject: OpenOffice.org language issue In-Reply-To: <200806042036.10413.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200806042036.10413.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4846E3E9.6010902@gmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080608070201020403070300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valter Mura wrote: > Hi All, >=20 > does anybody know why, after the last update of the OS, Adept asked me = to=20 > *update* OpenOffice.org to v. 2.4.1. but has *uninstalled* the Italian = > language pack and the Italian Help? >=20 > Using Kubuntu 8.04 >=20 > Bye same here, it updated openoffice and removed the arabic language pack, and the british localization of the help! but what is weird, is that i can still type arabic in openoffice writer := S maybe the language packs and these stuff got somehow integrated in the main openoffice package? we need someone familiar with the openoffice development or works in the ubuntu packaging to help us out here. --=20 Willy K. 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Hamra wrote: > same here, it updated openoffice and removed the arabic language pack, > and the british localization of the help! It's been happening to many and it's been fixed. Maybe the new packages have not reached your mirror yet. As a quick fix hhttp://packages.debian.org/experimental/editors/openoffice.org-l10n-ar should work. Or you can try ubuntu.com instead of your mirror, though the latter will download any packages faster -- lanzen From valtermura at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 20:23:19 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:23:19 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice.org language issue In-Reply-To: <200806042117.02658.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200806042036.10413.valtermura@gmail.com> <4846E3E9.6010902@gmail.com> <200806042117.02658.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806042223.19977.valtermura@gmail.com> Il mercoledì 4 giugno 2008 21:17:02 lanzen ha scritto: > On Wednesday 04 June 2008 20:50:17 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > same here, it updated openoffice and removed the arabic language pack, > > and the british localization of the help! > > It's been happening to many and it's been fixed. Maybe the new packages > have not reached your mirror yet. > > As a quick fix > hhttp://packages.debian.org/experimental/editors/openoffice.org-l10n-ar > should work. > > Or you can try ubuntu.com instead of your mirror, though the latter will > download any packages faster Perhaps it should be better to wait for a new update of the packages... Bye -- Valter Gnupgp ID: 0xD7274715 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From stefano at tefs.epistemol.net Wed Jun 4 20:27:20 2008 From: stefano at tefs.epistemol.net (Stefano Diem) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:27:20 -0300 Subject: Resizing a partition In-Reply-To: <483838D8.60000@gmail.com> References: <48382C07.5020707@gmail.com> <200805241724.21601.kassube@gmx.net> <483838D8.60000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7bed7c6d0806041327h4852c2d0x90802982c240ee7d@mail.gmail.com> That is very odd, i am reisizing an ext3 partition as we speak with qparted, and it works as it should. Perhaps the reason why some of those programs couldnt resize the partition is because you cannot shrink a mounted partition ( so if hd1 is your root mounted partition, you won't be able to paritition it within kubuntu ). 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Unless you want to compile the plasmoids yourself, you can try adding Cornelius Maihoefer's ppa repository here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~cornelius-maihoefer/+archive You then would install them via adept I believe these are for 4.04 I haven't tried yet too hard to install some, but I think there is better support for OSX widgets in 4.1 . the packages of 4.1 beta for Kubuntu are still in progress, so I wouldn't guarantee anything. I tried a couple of random ones from googling, and my 4.1b1 doesn't like them -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From nadreck at palain.com Wed Jun 4 21:18:16 2008 From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin B. O'Brien) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:18:16 -0400 Subject: System boot problem, BusyBox related? Message-ID: <48470698.1090905@palain.com> My Kubuntu system will not boot. At the point where it appears to be starting Grub, it then goes to a screen that says BusyBox v.1.1.3 (Debian 1: 1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands /bin/sh: Can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs) I cannot seem to get past this point. I have tried turning off the computer, but that didn't do anything. Any idea what I can try next to get it back up? Thank you, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL nadreck at palain.com Linux User #333216 What this country needs are more unemployed politicians. -- Edward Langley From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Wed Jun 4 23:01:54 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:01:54 -0700 Subject: Resizing a partition In-Reply-To: <7bed7c6d0806041327h4852c2d0x90802982c240ee7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48382C07.5020707@gmail.com> <483838D8.60000@gmail.com> <7bed7c6d0806041327h4852c2d0x90802982c240ee7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806041601.54510.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Wednesday 04 June 2008 01:27:20 pm Stefano Diem wrote: > That is very odd, i am reisizing an ext3 partition as we speak with > qparted, and it works as it > should. Perhaps the reason why some of those programs couldnt resize the > partition is because > you cannot shrink a mounted partition ( so if hd1 is your root mounted > partition, you won't > be able to paritition it within kubuntu ). If this is the case, i would > recommend using gparted live cd > (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php). I have used gparted live cd several times and really like it. I dont mess with partitioning anymore while the system is booted....and if I need to repartition during a new install, I use gparted to do that work for me rather than partitioner on the kubuntu live cd. Larry From paul at lemmons.name Thu Jun 5 02:09:48 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:09:48 -0700 Subject: Hardy Upgrade Killed vmware server In-Reply-To: <48439281.4090506@netplc.com> References: <17577343.post@talk.nabble.com> <48439281.4090506@netplc.com> Message-ID: <48474AEC.8050105@lemmons.name> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From cary at bielenberg.id.au Thu Jun 5 02:43:58 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:43:58 +1000 Subject: Hardy Upgrade Killed vmware server In-Reply-To: <48474AEC.8050105@lemmons.name> References: <17577343.post@talk.nabble.com> <48439281.4090506@netplc.com> <48474AEC.8050105@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <484752EE.50809@bielenberg.id.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hvralpha at intekom.co.za Thu Jun 5 06:29:08 2008 From: hvralpha at intekom.co.za (hvralpha) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:29:08 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Boot Problem Message-ID: <200806050829.08987.hvralpha@intekom.co.za> Kevin, What is the configuration of your computer. Is it new and does it have a RTL8102E LAN chip? If so, go here and see the solution. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/225749 You can also try and boot the recovery option and fix the xorg at the end of the recovery run in case it is a display problem. Just boot recovery option and then wait until you get to text where you can run xorg reconfigure. Hein From sagnik.bakshi at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 07:14:58 2008 From: sagnik.bakshi at gmail.com (Sagnik) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:44:58 +0530 Subject: System boot problem, BusyBox related? In-Reply-To: <48470698.1090905@palain.com> References: <48470698.1090905@palain.com> Message-ID: Type the following in the 'initramfs' prompt: (initramfs) modprobe piix (initramfs) exit Then it would boot normally. There are some posts here suggesting possible options to rectify this once and for all, so that it won't get stuck the next time you get into Ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=421588 But for me none worked. BTW, which version of Ubuntu are you using? Cheers. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: > My Kubuntu system will not boot. At the point where it appears to be > starting Grub, it then goes to a screen that says > > BusyBox v.1.1.3 (Debian 1: 1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash) > Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands > /bin/sh: Can't access tty; job control turned off > (initramfs) > > I cannot seem to get past this point. I have tried turning off the > computer, but that didn't do anything. Any idea what I can try next to > get it back up? > > Thank you, > > -- > Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL > nadreck at palain.com Linux User #333216 > > What this country needs are more unemployed politicians. -- Edward Langley > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jferrando at netplc.com Thu Jun 5 07:22:19 2008 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:22:19 +0200 Subject: Hardy Upgrade Killed vmware server In-Reply-To: <484752EE.50809@bielenberg.id.au> References: <17577343.post@talk.nabble.com> <48439281.4090506@netplc.com> <48474AEC.8050105@lemmons.name> <484752EE.50809@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <4847942B.20203@netplc.com> VMWare Workstation 1.0.4 compiles ok now in Hardy. Cary Bielenberg escribió: > I run lots of VMware servers all are now on Hardy, I copied the VM's > off & rebuilt the servers. I just cant bring myself to upgrade > production boxes, this is a hangover from watching dismal failures in > Windows & Exchange. > > > 2c Cary > > Paul Lemmons wrote: >> >> >> Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: >>> There is a patch that makes vmware work in hardy. >>> Google for the file vmware-any-any-update-116.tgz >>> >>> MikeJ escribió: >>> >>>> Malc, >>>> >>>> I assume that this same problem applies to Ubuntu and vmware-server? Would >>>> you confirm? >>>> >>>> Would you please estimate (hey, I can ask, right?) how long we'll have to >>>> wait for the official supported update to make its way to the partner repo >>>> (days, weeks, months)? It has already been 3 weeks. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> If you are not entirely rushed, the best way is to wait for then new >>>>> packages >>>>> to be made available through the Canonical Partner repo >>>>> >>>>> That way you can guarantee that they will work, and no chickens will be >>>>> harmed >>>>> in any additional rituals. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> Pick up the old thread here: >> >> http://www.nabble.com/Hardy-Upgrade-Killed-vmware-server-td17149302.html From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Thu Jun 5 09:13:33 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:13:33 -0400 Subject: desktop effects Message-ID: <200806050513.33949.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Running hardy. When I launch "Desktop Effects" there's no difference between "no effects" standard, extra or custom effects. Selecting one and then the "apply" button results in the screen flashing once and redrawing all windows, but no effects are enabled. On the same machine in Gutsy, the command compiz --replace enabled effects which could be controlled thru the Advanced Desktop Effects tool. What's with the effects in Hardy? Paul From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Thu Jun 5 09:41:43 2008 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:41:43 +0100 Subject: desktop effects In-Reply-To: <200806050513.33949.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200806050513.33949.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4847B4D7.4010401@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Paul Kaplan wrote: > Running hardy. > > When I launch "Desktop Effects" there's no difference between "no effects" > standard, extra or custom effects. Selecting one and then the "apply" button > results in the screen flashing once and redrawing all windows, but no effects > are enabled. On the same machine in Gutsy, the command compiz --replace > enabled effects which could be controlled thru the Advanced Desktop Effects > tool. > > What's with the effects in Hardy? Effects work just fine here. Sounds like your graphics driver doesn't support the GL extensions needed by compiz. What video card do you have and which driver are you using ? Chris From nigel at rmk.co.il Thu Jun 5 14:08:46 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:08:46 +0300 Subject: Jockey-KDE & taskbar In-Reply-To: <200806042241.45121.gjunming@gmail.com> References: <4846DD73.1010105@rmk.co.il> <200806042241.45121.gjunming@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4847F36E.3090801@rmk.co.il> gjunming wrote: > On Wednesday 04 June 2008 14:22:43 Nigel Ridley wrote: >> OK, so I did the latest update on my Dell Inspiron 1525 and I now have a >> jockey-kde icon on my taskbar (it informs me that I have a proprietary >> driver installed - for the wireless card). >> >> Great! Now how do I get rid of it? The icon, I mean - not the proprietary >> driver. >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> >> -- >> OliveRoot Ministries >> http://www.oliveroot.net/ >> >> PrayingForIsrael.net >> http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ > > Press the icon no better than two times. Do nothing when pop a dialog. Then It > will disappear.! > Nope! When I click on it I get the dialogue box for my password, and if I just leave it alone for a couple of minutes, the icon disappears but returns as soon as I click 'Ignore', 'Cancel', the 'X' at the top of the window or when I enter my password (in the dialogue box). How do I get rid of it!!?? Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Jun 6 00:02:13 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:02:13 -0400 Subject: kde4.1 beta install problem Message-ID: <200806052002.13123.pkaplan1@comcast.net> When I try to install kde 4.1 beta as per the announcement on the kubuntu home page, I get an error that the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package will break something (don't know what) and it won't install. Any ideas? Paul Here is the output: [pkaplan at TP-T ~]$ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-kde4-desktop: Depends: ark-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: dolphin-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: juk-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: kde-window-manager but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdebase-bin-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdm-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: khelpcenter-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: kmix-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: knetworkconf-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: konsole-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: kscd-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: ksnapshot-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: okular-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Depends: systemsettings-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: dragonplayer but it is not going to be installed Recommends: gwenview-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: kamera-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: kate-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: kdesudo-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: klipper-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: kmilo-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: konqueror-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: konqueror-nsplugins-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: kopete-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: kppp-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: krdc-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: krfb-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: ksysguard-kde4 but it is not going to be installed Recommends: kwalletmanager-kde4 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages From nixternal at kubuntu.org Fri Jun 6 00:36:43 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:36:43 -0500 Subject: kde4.1 beta install problem In-Reply-To: <200806052002.13123.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200806052002.13123.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200806051936.50785.nixternal@kubuntu.org> On Thursday 05 June 2008, Paul Kaplan wrote: | When I try to install kde 4.1 beta as per the announcement on the kubuntu | home page, I get an error that the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package will break | something (don't know what) and it won't install. | | Any ideas? | Paul Try it again, you may have caught the PPA during an update as I uploaded some fixes earlier. -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Jun 6 01:03:23 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:03:23 -0400 Subject: kde4.1 beta install problem In-Reply-To: <200806051936.50785.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200806052002.13123.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200806051936.50785.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <200806052103.24068.pkaplan1@comcast.net> No luck yet. Neither CLI or Adept are revealing as to what would cause the break. Any ideas? Paul On Thursday 05 June 2008 8:36 pm Richard A. Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 05 June 2008, Paul Kaplan wrote: > | When I try to install kde 4.1 beta as per the announcement on the kubuntu > | home page, I get an error that the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package will > | break something (don't know what) and it won't install. > | > | Any ideas? > | Paul > > Try it again, you may have caught the PPA during an update as I uploaded > some fixes earlier. From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Jun 6 01:09:58 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:09:58 -0400 Subject: kde4.1 beta install problem In-Reply-To: <200806052103.24068.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200806052002.13123.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200806051936.50785.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806052103.24068.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200806052109.58979.pkaplan1@comcast.net> FWIW, I noticed that attempting to install kdebase-workspace-bin results in a conflict for libplasma1 which seems to want to install v 4.0.3. Is this one of the fixes? P On Thursday 05 June 2008 9:03 pm Paul Kaplan wrote: > No luck yet. Neither CLI or Adept are revealing as to what would cause the > break. Any ideas? > Paul > > On Thursday 05 June 2008 8:36 pm Richard A. Johnson wrote: > > On Thursday 05 June 2008, Paul Kaplan wrote: > > | When I try to install kde 4.1 beta as per the announcement on the > > | kubuntu home page, I get an error that the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package > > | will break something (don't know what) and it won't install. > > | > > | Any ideas? > > | Paul > > > > Try it again, you may have caught the PPA during an update as I uploaded > > some fixes earlier. From afternine at email.si Fri Jun 6 08:09:12 2008 From: afternine at email.si (after nine) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:09:12 +0200 Subject: How to exchange primary and secondary display? Message-ID: <20080606080913.8B7F28B8DC@www1.email.si> Hi! I'm running Kubuntu gutsy (7.10) 64bit on DELL optiplex 755 with onboard intel graphics. Since it has a dual head capability, I succesfully enabled the desktop across 2 monitors by editing xorg.conf and using xrandr: - a 21" Samsung 213T working at 1600x1200, placed in centre (in front of user) - a 15" Dell working at 1024x786, placed on the right of the other bigger monitor My desktop is of combined virutal size of 2624x1200 and is correctly stretched across both monitors. To make this happen I have to do this in a konsole: xrandr --output TMDS-1 --mode "1600x1200" xrandr --output TMDS-1 --left-of VGA However, the primary display is set on the smaller monitor (placed on the side) , and the bigger in front (centre) is considered secondary. The taskbar panel is put on the primary display (on the righthand side) , the destop icons are placed on the bigger monitor. Is there a way the change which monitor is considered primary and which is secondary, so the taskbar panel is put on the central (bigger) monitor and the "K" (start) button comes to lower left corner, as everyone would expect it to be there. It is a real PITA, since we are all used to have the taskbar panel on the central monitor and not finding it there is really stressfull. The taskbar on the smaller monitor is also much shorter, so less tasks fit on it. Is there a way to swhitch the primary and secondary display? Below are the outputs from lspci, xrandr and my xorg.conf file. Thanx in advance p.s. If my explanation is not clear enough I can attach a screenshot, which will make it clear at first look. #xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section "Files" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "si" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Intel Corporation Integrated Graphics Controller" Driver "intel" BusID "PCI:0:2:0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Intel DVI" Driver "intel" BusID "PCI:0:2:1" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Dell E151FPp" Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "SyncMaster" Modelname "Custom 1" Option "DPMS" modeline "640x480 at 60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync modeline "800x600 at 56" 36.0 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync modeline "800x600 at 60" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync modeline "1024x768 at 60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -vsync - hsync modeline "1280x960 at 60" 102.1 1280 1360 1496 1712 960 961 964 994 -hsync +vsync modeline "1280x1024 at 60" 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync modeline "1400x1050 at 60" 122.61 1400 1488 1640 1880 1050 1051 1054 1087 - hsync +vsync modeline "1600x1200 at 60" 162.0 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync Gamma 1.0 EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Intel Corporation Integrated Graphics Controller" Monitor "Dell E151FPp" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" Virtual 2624 1200 EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "ScreenSamsung" Device "Intel DVI" Monitor "SyncMaster" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Modes "1600x1200 at 60" Virtual 2624 1200 EndSubSection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "ScreenSamsung" Screen "Default Screen" InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" InputDevice "Configured Mouse" EndSection This is what xrandr says: alex at alex:~$ xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2624 x 1200, maximum 2624 x 1200 VGA connected 1024x768+1600+0 (normal left inverted right) 304mm x 228mm 1024x768 60.0*+ 75.1 60.0* 800x600 75.0 60.3 640x480 75.0 60.0 720x400 70.1 TMDS-1 connected 1600x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 432mm x 324mm 1600x1200 60.0*+ 59.9 1280x1024 75.0 59.9 1152x864 75.0 1024x768 75.1 70.1 60.0 832x624 74.6 800x600 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 640x480 75.0 72.8 66.7 60.0 720x400 70.1 alex at alex:~$ This is what my lspci says: alex at alex:~$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) 00:03.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express MEI Controller (rev 02) 00:03.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express PT IDER Controller (rev 02) 00:03.3 Serial controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Serial KT Controller (rev 02) 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02) 00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 02) 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 92) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation LPC Interface Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IR/IO/IH (ICH9R/DO/DH) 4 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.5 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) 2 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) alex at alex:~$ ____________________ http://www.email.si/ From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 08:11:08 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:11:08 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts Message-ID: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> I have several PDFs in a terrible illegible font that I must read. The PDFs are text, as confirmed by copying and pasting the contents from KPDF to Open Office Writer. Is there a PDF reader that allows the user to override fonts, thus saving me a step? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From philbieber at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 08:28:16 2008 From: philbieber at gmail.com (Phil Bieber) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:28:16 +0200 Subject: How to exchange primary and secondary display? In-Reply-To: <20080606080913.8B7F28B8DC@www1.email.si> References: <20080606080913.8B7F28B8DC@www1.email.si> Message-ID: <3b27fa9d0806060128s202f5eeatb4f5594b4c4d86b8@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:09 AM, after nine wrote: > Hi! <--snip--> > xrandr --output TMDS-1 --mode "1600x1200" > > xrandr --output TMDS-1 --left-of VGA <--snip--> Hi! I've not used XRANDR, but I would assoume, that you have to set the secondary monitor (,too?). What I mean is, define the other monitor as --right-of VGA.... Perhaps that works, but as I said, I've not used anything in that direction and I only have a built in notebook display :) Cheers anyhow! Phil Bieber -- Avoid rape - say yes! Warnings from the manual for Layer Express v2 (an AutoCAD extension): Written on Page 12 (Blank page separating Ch. 1 & 2): To reduce the risk of shock, Do not remove the cover of this book. No serviceable components inside. GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber): 0x0185E301 FINGERPRINT: CA81 28C2 E63F DAF8 5ED4 DACB 7C26 EE5B 0185 E301 Phil Bieber - philbieber at gmail.com GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber Work): 0x3E43576A FINGERPRINT: F043 92A1 2A2C 5256 52A9 DECB A39F B04C 3E43 576A Philipp Bieber - philipp.bieber at gundlach.de From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 08:49:51 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:49:51 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have several PDFs in a terrible illegible font that I must read. The > PDFs are text, as confirmed by copying and pasting the contents from > KPDF to Open Office Writer. Is there a PDF reader that allows the user > to override fonts, thus saving me a step? Thanks in advance. > > Dotan Cohen > Maybe an OCR program? > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Douglas E Knapp 1. Sun Tzu said: Raising a host of a hundred thousand men and marching them great distances entails heavy loss on the people and a drain on the resources of the State. The daily expenditure will amount to a thousand ounces of silver. There will be commotion at home and abroad, and men will drop down exhausted on the highways. As many as seven hundred thousand families will be impeded in their labor. 2. Hostile armies may face each other for years, striving for the victory which is decided in a single day. This being so, to remain in ignorance of the enemy's condition simply because one grudges the outlay of a hundred ounces of silver in honors and emoluments, is the height of inhumanity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 10:32:20 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:32:20 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Knapp : > Maybe an OCR program? > No need for OCR as the document is _already_ in text. I just need to override the embedded font. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From philbieber at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 11:39:05 2008 From: philbieber at gmail.com (Phil Bieber) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:39:05 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> Hi! Today I read an article at http://www.oooninja.com/ that there is a new extension for OpenOffice for importing PDFs... maybe that is helpful. Or just save 'em with KOffice as a ODF or txt file... Just a thought. Cheers Phil Bieber -- Avoid rape - say yes! Warnings from the manual for Layer Express v2 (an AutoCAD extension): Written on Page 12 (Blank page separating Ch. 1 & 2): To reduce the risk of shock, Do not remove the cover of this book. No serviceable components inside. GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber): 0x0185E301 FINGERPRINT: CA81 28C2 E63F DAF8 5ED4 DACB 7C26 EE5B 0185 E301 Phil Bieber - philbieber at gmail.com GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber Work): 0x3E43576A FINGERPRINT: F043 92A1 2A2C 5256 52A9 DECB A39F B04C 3E43 576A Philipp Bieber - philipp.bieber at gundlach.de From ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk Fri Jun 6 12:50:26 2008 From: ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk (Ronnie Tucker) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:50:26 +0100 Subject: KDE4.1beta - unable to change display settings... Message-ID: <48493292.2040100@ronnietucker.co.uk> My display settings on first boot with KDE4.1beta are 1024 x 768 @ 50hz/Auto. Displaying at 50hz gives my display a slight fuzziness (like a TV channel just on the edge of moving off the station?) putting it at 51 or 52 fixes this, that's what I had in KDE 4.0.3. But when I choose 51 or 52hz in KDE4.1 and click apply, it just keeps it at 50hz/Auto. Is there a way to force this change before my whole world goes fuzzy?! ;P Thanks! PS: KDE4.1beta rocks! :) -- Ronnie Tucker ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk www.RonnieTucker.co.uk MSN: ronnietucker at hotmail.com Registered Linux User # 456627 Registered Ubuntu User # 18227 From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 14:23:23 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:23:23 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Phil Bieber : > Hi! > Today I read an article at http://www.oooninja.com/ that there is a > new extension for OpenOffice for importing PDFs... maybe that is > helpful. Or just save 'em with KOffice as a ODF or txt file... > Just a thought. > Thanks. Kword could not display these files properly. I have not installed OOo3 and the filter to test if OOo can or cannot display these PDF files. In a general sense, is there no PDF reader that can override embedded fonts? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 16:01:51 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:01:51 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806061801.51310.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > In a general sense, is there no PDF reader that can override embedded > fonts? I would have thought this was obvious, but looking at the settings of kpdf I was amazed to see nothing about fonts! So, you have a genuine puzzle here. Perhaps Acrobat? The only other idea I have is to open the pdf in Scribus (if it can) and then select-all (or some toolor other) and change it, save and view again. hth \d From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 15:55:52 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:55:52 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/6 Phil Bieber : > > Hi! > > Today I read an article at http://www.oooninja.com/ that there is a > > new extension for OpenOffice for importing PDFs... maybe that is > > helpful. Or just save 'em with KOffice as a ODF or txt file... > > Just a thought. > > > > Thanks. Kword could not display these files properly. I have not > installed OOo3 and the filter to test if OOo can or cannot display > these PDF files. > > In a general sense, is there no PDF reader that can override embedded > fonts? > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Outside the box. Can you hex edit a PDF and change the font or is it compressed and whatnot? Or better yet rename a font on your system to the same as what it is using? -- Douglas E Knapp 1. Sun Tzu said: Raising a host of a hundred thousand men and marching them great distances entails heavy loss on the people and a drain on the resources of the State. The daily expenditure will amount to a thousand ounces of silver. There will be commotion at home and abroad, and men will drop down exhausted on the highways. As many as seven hundred thousand families will be impeded in their labor. 2. Hostile armies may face each other for years, striving for the victory which is decided in a single day. This being so, to remain in ignorance of the enemy's condition simply because one grudges the outlay of a hundred ounces of silver in honors and emoluments, is the height of inhumanity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 16:19:55 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:19:55 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <200806061801.51310.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> <200806061801.51310.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806060919w3008bd65i9a07a350e6e99f4a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Donn : >> In a general sense, is there no PDF reader that can override embedded >> fonts? > I would have thought this was obvious, but looking at the settings of kpdf I > was amazed to see nothing about fonts! So, you have a genuine puzzle here. > Perhaps Acrobat? I thought that it would be easy as well. I just went through bugs.kde.org and found this: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137062 > The only other idea I have is to open the pdf in Scribus (if it can) and then > select-all (or some toolor other) and change it, save and view again. Scribus is complaining that pdfs are an unsupported format for me, despite the fact that pdf is on the list of file types to open :( Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 16:21:27 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:21:27 +0300 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? Message-ID: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> Can okular be installed on KDE 3.5.9? Where can I find a .deb for that? Also, can anyone check if okular can do font substitution for me? I have pdfs with an illegible font that I would like displayed in an alternative font. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From teeahr1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 16:27:29 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:27:29 -0500 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, KDE4 apps can live perfectly happily inside KDE3.5.x. Regarding font substitution, I don't know. -p. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Can okular be installed on KDE 3.5.9? Where can I find a .deb for that? > > Also, can anyone check if okular can do font substitution for me? I > have pdfs with an illegible font that I would like displayed in an > alternative font. Thanks. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 16:37:18 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:37:18 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060919w3008bd65i9a07a350e6e99f4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806061801.51310.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806060919w3008bd65i9a07a350e6e99f4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806061837.18783.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > Scribus is complaining that pdfs are an unsupported format for me, > despite the fact that pdf is on the list of file types to open :( Another wild idea, assuming the pdfs are simple text-down-the-page (and not with sidebars etc) is to convert to text. Try pdftotext on the cli. \d From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 16:39:17 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:39:17 +0300 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Pete : > Yeah, KDE4 apps can live perfectly happily inside KDE3.5.x. Regarding font > substitution, I don't know. > So it is not backported to KDE3? I do not want to install all of KDE4. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Fri Jun 6 16:45:50 2008 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:45:50 +0100 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484969BE.2060001@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> > > So it is not backported to KDE3? I do not want to install all of KDE4. > You shouldn't need to drag in *all of KDE4* - One the aims of KDE4 was to repackage things more fine grained to allow people who only want to install a few apps to do so without havng to install any more than they need. Chris From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 16:45:57 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:45:57 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <200806061837.18783.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806061801.51310.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806060919w3008bd65i9a07a350e6e99f4a@mail.gmail.com> <200806061837.18783.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806060945n483d650dj63764b3f191961bc@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Donn : >> Scribus is complaining that pdfs are an unsupported format for me, >> despite the fact that pdf is on the list of file types to open :( > Another wild idea, assuming the pdfs are simple text-down-the-page (and not > with sidebars etc) is to convert to text. Try pdftotext on the cli. > Thank you. pdftotext works fine and exports all the text, however, these are engineering documents and there are diagrams and graphs that are critical to the document. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From teeahr1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 16:47:28 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:47:28 -0500 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f729feb0806060947s794cee32h8ca2149ccfed602@mail.gmail.com> /me checks the depends list Yowza. Yeah, all that. There isn't a backport unless there's an unofficial one floating around somewhere, but I haven't heard of such a thing. 2008/6/6 Dotan Cohen : > 2008/6/6 Pete : > > Yeah, KDE4 apps can live perfectly happily inside KDE3.5.x. Regarding > font > > substitution, I don't know. > > > > So it is not backported to KDE3? I do not want to install all of KDE4. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 16:53:20 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:53:20 +0300 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0806060947s794cee32h8ca2149ccfed602@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> <1f729feb0806060947s794cee32h8ca2149ccfed602@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806060953p44751fapaac0b715519536ff@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Pete : > /me checks the depends list > > Yowza. Yeah, all that. There isn't a backport unless there's an unofficial > one floating around somewhere, but I haven't heard of such a thing. > Well, I looked for one but could not find it. Bassa. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Fri Jun 6 16:58:39 2008 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:58:39 +0100 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? In-Reply-To: <484969BE.2060001@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> <484969BE.2060001@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <48496CBF.4010209@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> > You shouldn't need to drag in *all of KDE4* - One the aims of KDE4 was > to repackage things more fine grained to allow people who only want to > install a few apps to do so without havng to install any more than they > need. For what it's worth chris ~ > sudo apt-get install okular-kde4 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: kde-icons-oxygen kde4libs-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-data kdelibs5 libokularcore1-kde4 libphonon4 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 Suggested packages: kdebase okular-extra-backends-kde4 The following NEW packages will be installed kde-icons-oxygen kde4libs-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-data kdelibs5 libokularcore1-kde4 libphonon4 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 okular-kde4 0 upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 59.3MB of archives. After this operation, 99.8MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? So true not exactly minimalistic, but once you have done that you have likely installed most of what any other kde4 app will need, so any other apps will have very minimal requirements. Chris From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 17:09:53 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:09:53 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060945n483d650dj63764b3f191961bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806061837.18783.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806060945n483d650dj63764b3f191961bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806061909.53500.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > these are engineering documents and there are diagrams and graphs that > are critical to the document. pdfimages might help, but the context will be hard to establish. In a nutshell: konsole -> pdf, tab tab :) \d From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 17:05:38 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:05:38 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <200806061909.53500.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806061837.18783.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806060945n483d650dj63764b3f191961bc@mail.gmail.com> <200806061909.53500.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806061005q42d63eaei5eefe3db86a8f1b6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Donn : >> these are engineering documents and there are diagrams and graphs that >> are critical to the document. > pdfimages might help, but the context will be hard to establish. > > In a nutshell: konsole -> pdf, tab tab :) > I have tried everything installed on the system that starts with pdf* :) Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 17:07:58 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:07:58 +0300 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? In-Reply-To: <48496CBF.4010209@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> <484969BE.2060001@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <48496CBF.4010209@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <880dece00806061007u50d2e8e1u6a072404fc8a4dc1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Chris Jones : > >> You shouldn't need to drag in *all of KDE4* - One the aims of KDE4 was >> to repackage things more fine grained to allow people who only want to >> install a few apps to do so without havng to install any more than they >> need. > > For what it's worth > > chris ~ > sudo apt-get install okular-kde4 Thanks, Chris. I tried to install "okular", couldn't find it, so I downloaded a .deb. Trying to install that deb I had something like a GB of dependencies. I'm not apt-getting okular-kde4 now, as I can handle 70 MB (I see that yours topped out at almost 100). Thanks! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 17:09:02 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:09:02 +0300 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806061007u50d2e8e1u6a072404fc8a4dc1@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> <484969BE.2060001@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <48496CBF.4010209@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <880dece00806061007u50d2e8e1u6a072404fc8a4dc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806061009pe4ced9jdfb9d02ba62ff42f@mail.gmail.com> What's interesting, is that 45 MB of the install is the Oxygen Icon set. Talk about bloat for installing one app! (don't flame me, I know why this is) Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Fri Jun 6 17:13:27 2008 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:13:27 +0100 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806061009pe4ced9jdfb9d02ba62ff42f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> <484969BE.2060001@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <48496CBF.4010209@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <880dece00806061007u50d2e8e1u6a072404fc8a4dc1@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806061009pe4ced9jdfb9d02ba62ff42f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48497037.8080200@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Dotan Cohen wrote: > What's interesting, is that 45 MB of the install is the Oxygen Icon > set. Talk about bloat for installing one app! (don't flame me, I know > why this is) Indeed, I noticed the very same thing. Installing *all* the oxygen icons just for one app does seem overkill. Hopefully something else they will address sometime.. Chris From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 17:45:48 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:45:48 +0200 Subject: How to exchange primary and secondary display? In-Reply-To: <20080606080913.8B7F28B8DC@www1.email.si> References: <20080606080913.8B7F28B8DC@www1.email.si> Message-ID: 2008/6/6 after nine : > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Default Layout" > Screen "ScreenSamsung" > Screen "Default Screen" > InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" > InputDevice "Configured Mouse" > > EndSection > Hi! I don't know haw to do it with xrandr but in your ServerLayout i missing which and how the monitors are related to each other. It should look something like this. Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 Screen 1 "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" InputDevice "MSComfortCurveKeybord2000" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "MSIntelliMouseOptical" "CorePointer" InputDevice "MSWirelessLaserMouse5000" "SendCoreEvents" EndSection / Jonas From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 17:52:09 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:52:09 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806061005q42d63eaei5eefe3db86a8f1b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806061837.18783.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806060945n483d650dj63764b3f191961bc@mail.gmail.com> <200806061909.53500.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806061005q42d63eaei5eefe3db86a8f1b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/6 Donn : > >> these are engineering documents and there are diagrams and graphs that > >> are critical to the document. > > pdfimages might help, but the context will be hard to establish. > > > > In a nutshell: konsole -> pdf, tab tab :) > > > > I have tried everything installed on the system that starts with pdf* :) > > Dotan Cohen > Gimp will open PDFs and is scriptable! 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Have you tried to view it with Adobe Acrobat Reader? It's in the medibuntu repro. / Jonas From johndecarlo at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 18:47:14 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:47:14 -0400 Subject: Hardy Upgrade Killed vmware server In-Reply-To: <4847942B.20203@netplc.com> References: <17577343.post@talk.nabble.com> <48439281.4090506@netplc.com> <48474AEC.8050105@lemmons.name> <484752EE.50809@bielenberg.id.au> <4847942B.20203@netplc.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0806061147u28c52c20ud7365821b4e5fabd@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Jordi Ferrando Fabra wrote: > VMWare Workstation 1.0.4 compiles ok now in Hardy. > > Do you mean 6.04? I stopped using Workstation around version 6 and switched to the free Player when it went to 2.0 Thanks. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 19:13:30 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 22:13:30 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806061837.18783.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806060945n483d650dj63764b3f191961bc@mail.gmail.com> <200806061909.53500.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806061005q42d63eaei5eefe3db86a8f1b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806061213s57a5e129j75a08ccd0db9993f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Jonas Norlander : > What about convert it to html with pdftohtml and open it with a > browser and override the fonts? Tried it: all the critical formatting is lost, as are all graphs and diagrams. Very similar to pdf2text. > Have you tried to view it with Adobe Acrobat Reader? It's in the > medibuntu repro. I have. I found it to be much better than the Adobe Acrobat of years ago that I hated, however, it still would not let me override that terrible embedded font! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 19:46:00 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:46:00 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806061213s57a5e129j75a08ccd0db9993f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806061213s57a5e129j75a08ccd0db9993f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806062146.00591.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > it still would not let me override that > terrible embedded font! What do you get when you use pdffonts on the file? I am just wondering if that fugly font is actually embedded or if your system is looking for it, not finding it and using some terrible replacement. It could be a matter of rewiring things to feed a better font in... \d From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Jun 6 19:59:56 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:59:56 -0400 Subject: No cursors in Kcontrol? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806040142i76f73192k3a661006dadd5e06@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806040128m530e4247i86356192d6ddeadb@mail.gmail.com> <484653C9.605@tiscali.co.uk> <880dece00806040142i76f73192k3a661006dadd5e06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806061600.04134.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Wednesday 04 June 2008 4:42:34 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > Thank you! I did not even think to look there The little find/filter field works well when you don't know where somebody else thinks things belong. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It could be a matter of > rewiring things to feed a better font in... hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ pdffonts chapter1_exp-1.pdf name type emb sub uni object ID ------------------------------------ ----------------- --- --- --- --------- CHBAKA+TimesNewRomanPSMT TrueType yes yes no 59 0 CHBALP+GuttmanYad-Brush CID TrueType yes yes yes 60 0 CHBANO+GuttmanYad-Brush TrueType yes yes no 61 0 CHBAPN+GuttmanYadLight CID TrueType yes yes yes 62 0 CHBBAI+GuttmanYadLight TrueType yes yes no 64 0 TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT TrueType no no no 65 0 ArialMT TrueType no no no 63 0 TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT TrueType no no no 74 0 CHBCAA+SymbolMT CID TrueType yes yes yes 75 0 CHBKLK+MT-Extra CID TrueType yes yes yes 33 0 Arial-BoldMT TrueType no no no 34 0 CHAPKP+TimesNewRomanPSMT CID TrueType yes yes yes 39 0 hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ It is the GuttmanYad fonts that are illegible. All four are embedded. How does one rewire things to feed a better font in?!? I have found this tool: http://multivalent.sourceforge.net/Tools/pdf/Compress.html I have downloaded the Multivalent20060102.jar file, yet I cannot figure out how to 'optimize' the PDFs and remove the embedded fonts. *) Also, I _think_ that the command fc-match can configure the system to replace one font with another, but I have not been able to succeed with it. *) Also, apparently, one should be able to configure alternative fonts in ~/.fonts.config but I cannot find examples of how to do that. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 20:03:23 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 23:03:23 +0300 Subject: No cursors in Kcontrol? In-Reply-To: <200806061600.04134.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <880dece00806040128m530e4247i86356192d6ddeadb@mail.gmail.com> <484653C9.605@tiscali.co.uk> <880dece00806040142i76f73192k3a661006dadd5e06@mail.gmail.com> <200806061600.04134.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806061303u61994391y2f111606835f4089@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Art Alexion : > On Wednesday 04 June 2008 4:42:34 am Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Thank you! I did not even think to look there > > The little find/filter field works well when you don't know where somebody > else thinks things belong. > Of course, I did not even think of trying that... Thanks! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From nixternal at kubuntu.org Fri Jun 6 20:03:40 2008 From: nixternal at kubuntu.org (Richard A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:03:40 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Planning Message-ID: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Hey everyone! The Kubuntu development team has recently discussed starting the Kubuntu Tutorial Days once again. In the past, we provided tutorials on packaging, Python with Qt/KDE, documentation, and more. So with that, I would like to know, mostly from the user community, what kind of tutorials you would be interested in partaking in. Every idea is welcomed! Note that these tutorials will be provided on IRC, unless of course we can come up with a much better medium, but IRC is kind of difficult to beat in such a dispersed community. Thanks everyone! -- Richard A. Johnson nixternal at kubuntu.org GPG Key: 0x2E2C0124 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Jun 6 20:06:38 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:06:38 -0400 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806061606.38919.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 06 June 2008 4:11:08 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have several PDFs in a terrible illegible font that I must read. The > PDFs are text, as confirmed by copying and pasting the contents from > KPDF to Open Office Writer. Is there a PDF reader that allows the user > to override fonts, thus saving me a step? Thanks in advance. Maybe, but why not just change the fonts in OpenOffice and read it there? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Fri Jun 6 20:08:53 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:08:53 -0400 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806061608.54139.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 06 June 2008 7:39:05 am Phil Bieber wrote: > Today I read an article at http://www.oooninja.com/ that there is a > new extension for OpenOffice for importing PDFs... maybe that is > helpful. Or just save 'em with KOffice as a ODF or txt file... > Just a thought. If you want to import, use scribus. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From lists at ptfd.org Fri Jun 6 20:37:01 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:37:01 -0400 Subject: kde4.1 beta install problem In-Reply-To: <200806052109.58979.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <200806052002.13123.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200806052103.24068.pkaplan1@comcast.net> <200806052109.58979.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200806061637.01267.lists@ptfd.org> On Thursday 05 June 2008 21:09:58 Paul Kaplan wrote: > FWIW, I noticed that attempting to install kdebase-workspace-bin results in > a conflict for libplasma1 which seems to want to install v 4.0.3. > Is this one of the fixes? > P > > On Thursday 05 June 2008 9:03 pm Paul Kaplan wrote: > > No luck yet. Neither CLI or Adept are revealing as to what would cause > > the break. Any ideas? > > Paul > > > > On Thursday 05 June 2008 8:36 pm Richard A. Johnson wrote: > > > On Thursday 05 June 2008, Paul Kaplan wrote: > > > | When I try to install kde 4.1 beta as per the announcement on the > > > | kubuntu home page, I get an error that the kubuntu-kde4-desktop > > > | package will break something (don't know what) and it won't install. > > > | > > > | Any ideas? > > > | Paul > > > > > > Try it again, you may have caught the PPA during an update as I > > > uploaded some fixes earlier. FWIW, I had to uninstall libplasma1, then install libplasma2, same thing with konqueror, I had to uninstall it and a few other packages, cant remember what they were, but when I reinstalled them later no problem. There is one package that still breaks and wont install. I cant remember what it is now I just left it off the system. If I find it later I'll send another reply. Mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 20:55:06 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 22:55:06 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806061259m478823e4v8feea05372f102fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806062146.00591.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806061259m478823e4v8feea05372f102fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806062255.06730.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > It is the GuttmanYad fonts that are illegible. All four are embedded. Yeah, I see that. I was hoping they were all 'no' and then you could find the fonts you want, rename them (to what the pdf wants) and drop them into ~/.fonts which should work. Another tack: I found a link:http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000235 "Handy hint: You can run pdf2ps on existing PDF files and it will change embedded fonts to embedded font subsets, usually reducing the file size substantially." -- not 100% what you need, but it has a few hints. So, perhaps pdf2ps then backwards, ps2pdf might just do it? I'm hoping for an error and a substitution of local fonts. They also mention pdfedit (in repos): http://pdfedit.petricek.net/user_doc.html#gui_toolbars_text And, here, a glimmer of hope: Go to ps, then back with a switch... ps2pdf -dEmbedAllFonts=true WonderDog.ps http://www.linux.com/articles/35022 hth \d From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Jun 6 21:20:37 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:20:37 +0000 Subject: kde4.1 beta install problem Message-ID: <060620082120.25096.4849AA2500071FDE000062082207003201CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> Looking forward to your analysis and reply. Hope you were able to get konqi 3.5.9 back up and running after your expedition to dependency hell (I thought this was an rpm-only phenomenon!) Just for grins, I took the Hardy LiveCD (kde3.5 version) and tried install kubuntu-kde4-desktop to it to see if this might be diagnostic. Aside from the fact that there's not enough "disk" space to do this on the LiveCD, Adept does not report that the action would cause a break, so I assume that I could install the 4.1 debs on a clean install of Hardy. I dug a little further and found the libplasma1 conflict in Hardy Live, which seems odd since libplasma1 isn't installed on either the LiveCD or my working system. So that begs the question of what is different between my installation and the LiveCD. I modifed the original Hardy installation only by adding installing all security and recommended updates, Firefox, flash, koffice, skype, a few small utilities and some (not all) medibuntu updates (I think only those related to proprietary formats). So I have to assume that problem lies in one of the updates. Nixternal - any thoughts? Paul -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Michael W. Holdeman" > On Thursday 05 June 2008 21:09:58 Paul Kaplan wrote: > > FWIW, I noticed that attempting to install kdebase-workspace-bin results in > > a conflict for libplasma1 which seems to want to install v 4.0.3. > > Is this one of the fixes? > > P > > > > On Thursday 05 June 2008 9:03 pm Paul Kaplan wrote: > > > No luck yet. Neither CLI or Adept are revealing as to what would cause > > > the break. Any ideas? > > > Paul > > > > > > On Thursday 05 June 2008 8:36 pm Richard A. Johnson wrote: > > > > On Thursday 05 June 2008, Paul Kaplan wrote: > > > > | When I try to install kde 4.1 beta as per the announcement on the > > > > | kubuntu home page, I get an error that the kubuntu-kde4-desktop > > > > | package will break something (don't know what) and it won't install. > > > > | > > > > | Any ideas? > > > > | Paul > > > > > > > > Try it again, you may have caught the PPA during an update as I > > > > uploaded some fixes earlier. > FWIW, > I had to uninstall libplasma1, then install libplasma2, same thing with > konqueror, I had to uninstall it and a few other packages, cant remember what > they were, but when I reinstalled them later no problem. There is one package > that still breaks and wont install. I cant remember what it is now I just left > it off the system. If I find it later I'll send another reply. > > Mike > > -- > Michael W. Holdeman > Chief > Porter Fire Department > > Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta > http://kubuntu.org > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From kfulks at knology.net Sat Jun 7 01:17:20 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:17:20 -0500 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/6 Phil Bieber : >> Hi! >> Today I read an article at http://www.oooninja.com/ that there is a >> new extension for OpenOffice for importing PDFs... maybe that is >> helpful. Or just save 'em with KOffice as a ODF or txt file... >> Just a thought. >> > > Thanks. Kword could not display these files properly. I have not > installed OOo3 and the filter to test if OOo can or cannot display > these PDF files. > > In a general sense, is there no PDF reader that can override embedded fonts? > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? That would be kind of against the idea of a PDF. PDF (Portable Document Format) was intended to provide a way of distributing documents so that they would like the same independent of the application in which they are displayed or the device upon which they are printed. Therefore overriding the defined fonts would mean that they are not the same. Having said that O'Reilly has a book on PDF hacks. I don't have a copy of it, but a co-worker does and it is possible that there is something in it. If you don't have a resolution by Monday, I will try to remember to look in it. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 04:37:35 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:37:35 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <200806061606.38919.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806061606.38919.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806062137m63733709k6f81a616e57e23c9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Art Alexion : > On Friday 06 June 2008 4:11:08 am Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I have several PDFs in a terrible illegible font that I must read. The >> PDFs are text, as confirmed by copying and pasting the contents from >> KPDF to Open Office Writer. Is there a PDF reader that allows the user >> to override fonts, thus saving me a step? Thanks in advance. > > > Maybe, but why not just change the fonts in OpenOffice and read it there? > The current OpenOffice cannot import PDF documents. OOo3 will have a PDF import plugin available. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 04:38:56 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:38:56 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <200806061608.54139.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <200806061608.54139.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806062138l3e657b0bt664f8290e214a8a3@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Art Alexion : > On Friday 06 June 2008 7:39:05 am Phil Bieber wrote: >> Today I read an article at http://www.oooninja.com/ that there is a >> new extension for OpenOffice for importing PDFs... maybe that is >> helpful. Or just save 'em with KOffice as a ODF or txt file... >> Just a thought. > > If you want to import, use scribus. > Scribus is complaining that PDFs are not supported files, for some reason. All PDFs, not just these. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 04:57:28 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:57:28 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <200806062255.06730.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806062146.00591.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806061259m478823e4v8feea05372f102fe@mail.gmail.com> <200806062255.06730.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806062157o66a59553u3b64d89c237e3ce9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Donn : >> It is the GuttmanYad fonts that are illegible. All four are embedded. > Yeah, I see that. I was hoping they were all 'no' and then you could find the > fonts you want, rename them (to what the pdf wants) and drop them into > ~/.fonts which should work. > > Another tack: > I found a link:http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000235 > "Handy hint: You can run pdf2ps on existing PDF files and it will change > embedded fonts to embedded font subsets, usually reducing the file size > substantially." -- not 100% what you need, but it has a few hints. I tried that, naturally. It took the 200 kb PDF and turned it into a 4.4 MB PS file, and preserved that terrible font as an image! > So, perhaps pdf2ps then backwards, ps2pdf might just do it? I'm hoping for an > error and a substitution of local fonts. We should be so lucky. > They also mention pdfedit (in repos): > http://pdfedit.petricek.net/user_doc.html#gui_toolbars_text I'm trying to use pdfedit, but it keeps hanging. I'll keep trying. > And, here, a glimmer of hope: > Go to ps, then back with a switch... > ps2pdf -dEmbedAllFonts=true WonderDog.ps > http://www.linux.com/articles/35022 As the PS file was images, the resulting PDF was images as well instead of text. So, I tried running ps2pdf directly on the PDF file, as I know that PDF is a subset of PS. That GutmanYad font is persistent. It threw some errors, but completed. However, the font stayed: hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ pdffonts chapter1_exp-1.pdf.pdf name type emb sub uni object ID ------------------------------------ ----------------- --- --- --- --------- Error: Illegal entry in bfrange block in ToUnicode CMap (tens of these errors) FHDBRN+SymbolMT-Identity-H CID TrueType yes yes yes 26 0 QLXDAR+GuttmanYadLight-Identity-H CID TrueType yes yes yes 21 0 UXGOHY+GuttmanYad-Brush-Identity-H CID TrueType yes yes yes 11 0 XKKHMO+TimesNewRomanPSMT TrueType yes yes no 8 0 Helvetica Type 1 no no no 20 0 CISDDW+GuttmanYad-Brush TrueType yes yes no 14 0 HASFFT+GuttmanYadLight TrueType yes yes no 16 0 Times-Italic Type 1 no no no 24 0 Times-Bold Type 1 no no no 18 0 Error: Illegal entry in bfrange block in ToUnicode CMap (tens of these errors) KNBAAA+MT-Extra-Identity-H CID TrueType yes yes yes 48 0 Error: Illegal entry in bfrange block in ToUnicode CMap (tens of these errors) Helvetica-Bold Type 1 no no no 60 0 Error: Illegal entry in bfrange block in ToUnicode CMap (tens of these errors) WVBDTP+TimesNewRomanPSMT-Identity-H CID TrueType yes yes yes 68 0 Error: Illegal entry in bfrange block in ToUnicode CMap (tens of these errors) Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 04:58:51 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:58:51 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806062158h3969f2b7hb1ec6476272bbc94@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/7 Kelly L. Fulks : > That would be kind of against the idea of a PDF. PDF (Portable Document > Format) was intended to provide a way of distributing documents so that > they would like the same independent of the application in which they > are displayed or the device upon which they are printed. Therefore > overriding the defined fonts would mean that they are not the same. That is true, however, most PDF readers allow one to override colours and some (including Adobe Acrobat) can 'reflow' the PDF to fit smaller screens. So changing font should not be such a problem. > Having said that O'Reilly has a book on PDF hacks. I don't have a copy > of it, but a co-worker does and it is possible that there is something > in it. If you don't have a resolution by Monday, I will try to remember > to look in it. > > -- > Kelly L. Fulks > Home Account > near Huntsville, AL > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 05:00:49 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 08:00:49 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806062200k1900c46dicda86e47d1c7d5eb@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/7 Kelly L. Fulks : > Having said that O'Reilly has a book on PDF hacks. I don't have a copy > of it, but a co-worker does and it is possible that there is something > in it. If you don't have a resolution by Monday, I will try to remember > to look in it. > Thanks, I would appreciate it. I must stop this project of finding a way around the fonts now because I must study! Exam in less than a week! But if you can ask on monday I would much appreciate it. I will send you a copy of the offending PDF in private mail, as it is only possible to experiment on the real thing. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 05:13:06 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:13:06 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806062200k1900c46dicda86e47d1c7d5eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> <880dece00806062200k1900c46dicda86e47d1c7d5eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Thanks, I would appreciate it. I must stop this project of finding a > way around the fonts now because I must study! Exam in less than a > week! But if you can ask on monday I would much appreciate it. I will > send you a copy of the offending PDF in private mail, as it is only > possible to experiment on the real thing. Thanks. > > Dotan Cohen > > > May I have a copy also? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 05:44:55 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:44:55 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806062157o66a59553u3b64d89c237e3ce9@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806062255.06730.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806062157o66a59553u3b64d89c237e3ce9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806070744.55217.donn.ingle@gmail.com> > > ps2pdf -dEmbedAllFonts=true WonderDog.ps > > http://www.linux.com/articles/35022 > As the PS file was images, the resulting PDF was images as well > instead of text. So, I tried running ps2pdf directly on the PDF file, > as I know that PDF is a subset of PS. That GutmanYad font is > persistent. It threw some errors, but completed. However, the font > stayed I am sure you thought of it, but I meant to change that command to: ps2pdf -dEmbedAllFonts=false blah.pdf Prob. won't work either. No need to reply. Good luck with your studies. \d From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 08:06:37 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:06:37 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <200806070744.55217.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <200806062255.06730.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <880dece00806062157o66a59553u3b64d89c237e3ce9@mail.gmail.com> <200806070744.55217.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806070106m38ce1062l195368cb72eab4ee@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/7 Donn : > I am sure you thought of it, but I meant to change that command to: > ps2pdf -dEmbedAllFonts=false blah.pdf Naturally. > Prob. won't work either. No need to reply. > Good luck with your studies. Luck is what I need... Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 12:43:25 2008 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:43:25 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04 on a Dell XPS M1330 laptop... how to get wireless working Message-ID: Greetings, fellow Kubuntu users! Yesterday, I helped a co-worker install Kubuntu 8.04 on his laptop. The laptop is a Dell XPS M1330 laptop with a Core 2 Duo CPU, 3GB of RAM, 250GB HD with WinXP Pro SP2 and Kubuntu dual-booting, fingerprint reader, nVidia GeForce Go 8400M GS video card (128MB RAM), Bluetooth, High Definition Audio 2.0 (unknown chipset), and integrated 10/100 network card and PCI wireless card. Most of the hardware works out of the box, save for the nVidia card and the PCI wireless card. Installing the restricted nVidia driver (nvidia-glx-new) worked and allowed Compiz Fusion to work, but the PCI card is baffling me. According to KInfoCenter, the card appears to be a BroadCom based card, meaning that I may need the firmware wrapper for Kubuntu 8.04. However, another page detailing an Ubuntu install on the same model laptop https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1330 says that the wireless PCI is in fact an Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini Card. Rather than simply install the BroadCom firmware for nothing, I wanted to know if anyone else with this same hardware can confirm for me who the manufacturer is, and what steps should I take to enable it. For reference, I have attached the output of lspci, lspci -n, lsmod, dmesg, and /proc/cpuinfo. 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However, the offending font is called GuttmanYad, and there seem to be more than one variety of it in the document.Here is the title of the document in a non-handwriting font: ‫מבוא להנדסת חומרים- פתרונות ‬ I doubt that your computer will display that in a handwriting font, if at all! This message is not in HTML, so it will probably show up in monospace. Thanks for your help. I very much appreciate it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, the offending font is > called GuttmanYad, and there seem to be more than one variety of it in > the document.Here is the title of the document in a non-handwriting > font: > ‫מבוא להנדסת חומרים- פתרונות > ‬ > I doubt that your computer will display that in a handwriting font, if > at all! This message is not in HTML, so it will probably show up in > monospace. > > Thanks for your help. I very much appreciate it. > > Dotan Cohen > I can read it. (but I only studied Hebrew for a month, so, no I don't understand it.) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 10:55:45 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:55:45 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> <880dece00806062200k1900c46dicda86e47d1c7d5eb@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806070056h112c1e7dvb0ca89ae1d345e0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: BTW Gmail translated the font but sadly without pictures. On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Knapp wrote: > 2008/6/7 Dotan Cohen : > >> 2008/6/7 Knapp : >> > May I have a copy also? >> > >> >> Thank you Knapp. The file is in Hebrew, so I do not think that you >> will be able to understand it, sorry. However, the offending font is >> called GuttmanYad, and there seem to be more than one variety of it in >> the document.Here is the title of the document in a non-handwriting >> font: >> ‫מבוא להנדסת חומרים- פתרונות >> ‬ >> I doubt that your computer will display that in a handwriting font, if >> at all! This message is not in HTML, so it will probably show up in >> monospace. >> >> Thanks for your help. I very much appreciate it. >> >> Dotan Cohen >> > > I can read it. (but I only studied Hebrew for a month, so, no I don't > understand it.) > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org Sat Jun 7 11:27:25 2008 From: jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:27:25 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Planning References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <75499-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C46F4E25@[75.199.30.135]> Message-ID: Scott Kitterman wrote: >>Note that these tutorials will be provided on IRC, unless of course we can > come >>up with a much better medium, but IRC is kind of difficult to beat in such > a >>dispersed community. >> > I'd like to throw out the idea of a Jabber gateway. That'd make it > accessible to a much broader audience (e.g. anyone with Google chat). If > we want to bring in new people we need to move beyond our traditional > mechanisms. Agree. There exists a jabber-to-irc gateweay. A ejbberd server we're running here supports it. I don't know about the google server, but it may be a good way to keep the irc-lovers and attract the jabber-kids... Jan From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 12:15:49 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:15:49 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> <880dece00806062200k1900c46dicda86e47d1c7d5eb@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806070056h112c1e7dvb0ca89ae1d345e0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Open it with inkscape! Problem solved. DEK PS Now you owe me. :-) That took some time. LOL On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Knapp wrote: > BTW Gmail translated the font but sadly without pictures. > > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Knapp wrote: > >> 2008/6/7 Dotan Cohen : >> >>> 2008/6/7 Knapp : >>> > May I have a copy also? >>> > >>> >>> Thank you Knapp. The file is in Hebrew, so I do not think that you >>> will be able to understand it, sorry. However, the offending font is >>> called GuttmanYad, and there seem to be more than one variety of it in >>> the document.Here is the title of the document in a non-handwriting >>> font: >>> ‫מבוא להנדסת חומרים- פתרונות >>> ‬ >>> I doubt that your computer will display that in a handwriting font, if >>> at all! This message is not in HTML, so it will probably show up in >>> monospace. >>> >>> Thanks for your help. I very much appreciate it. >>> >>> Dotan Cohen >>> >> >> I can read it. (but I only studied Hebrew for a month, so, no I don't >> understand it.) >> >> >> -- >> Douglas E Knapp >> >> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > > > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 16:01:49 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:01:49 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Planning In-Reply-To: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <880dece00806070901k63d6b3a7k36d4cddfa3825c13@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6 Richard A. Johnson : > Note that these tutorials will be provided on IRC, unless of course we can come > up with a much better medium, but IRC is kind of difficult to beat in such a > dispersed community. > The archived tutorials are not very easy to follow. No matter what the medium of delivery, I suggest that the archive include a 'cleaned' version which is easy to follow for those reading the tutorials on the web, after the fact. Should there be a tutorial on a subject I am familiar with (HTML, PHP) I would volunteer to write the 'cleaned' version. I am certain that for any subject imaginable, a member of the KDE community would have the skills to provide a clean version of the text. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From paulatgm at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 17:43:01 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:43:01 -0400 Subject: kde4 launch menu Message-ID: <484AC8A5.50309@gmail.com> I prefer to use a mouse as little as possible. I tried kde4 4.0.5 and can't figure a way to launch the menu or any of the launchers. For example, in kde 3.5.9, I can use Alt-F1 to launch the menu and then press keys that spell out the particular menu item to select it with . Or, I use Alt-space to pop up katapult and type the name and hit return. I can't find anything like this in kde4 nor do I find any keyboard shortcuts to specify. But, the docs are sparse still, so maybe I've just missed it. Any ideas how to do this? TIA From hensandpat at earthlink.net Sat Jun 7 18:15:38 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:15:38 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Planning In-Reply-To: References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <75499-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C46F4E25@[75.199.30.135]> Message-ID: <484AD04A.9080004@earthlink.net> Jan Torben Heuer wrote: > Scott Kitterman wrote: > > >>> Note that these tutorials will be provided on IRC, unless of course we can >>> >> come >> >>> up with a much better medium, but IRC is kind of difficult to beat in such >>> >> a >> >>> dispersed community. >>> >>> >> I'd like to throw out the idea of a Jabber gateway. That'd make it >> accessible to a much broader audience (e.g. anyone with Google chat). If >> we want to bring in new people we need to move beyond our traditional >> mechanisms. >> > > Agree. There exists a jabber-to-irc gateweay. A ejbberd server we're running > here supports it. I don't know about the google server, but it may be a > good way to keep the irc-lovers and attract the jabber-kids... > > > > Jan > > > What is IRC ? John H From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 18:18:35 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:18:35 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Planning In-Reply-To: <880dece00806070901k63d6b3a7k36d4cddfa3825c13@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <880dece00806070901k63d6b3a7k36d4cddfa3825c13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484AD0FB.1060406@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/6 Richard A. Johnson : >> Note that these tutorials will be provided on IRC, unless of course we can come >> up with a much better medium, but IRC is kind of difficult to beat in such a >> dispersed community. >> > > The archived tutorials are not very easy to follow. No matter what the > medium of delivery, I suggest that the archive include a 'cleaned' > version which is easy to follow for those reading the tutorials on the > web, after the fact. > can you post me a link to these archived tutorials? i'm new to these tutorial days and have no idea about them. PHP as you mentioned might be a good subject, i've been wanting to learn it for quite some while. and after installing firestarter few days ago, i realized how back i am in networking, maybe there could be some networking basics tutorial? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From john.j35 at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 18:21:45 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:21:45 -0500 Subject: Starting Alt Install from dvd Message-ID: I have downloaded the latest DVD iso of kubuntu 8.0.4 and would like to use an existing lvm schema that I have. However, I cannot figure out how to start the alternate installer! Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From lydia at kde.org Sat Jun 7 18:34:33 2008 From: lydia at kde.org (Lydia Pintscher) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:34:33 +0200 Subject: kde4 launch menu In-Reply-To: <484AC8A5.50309@gmail.com> References: <484AC8A5.50309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <938b46780806071134j777fad3ydcee2f24927878e@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 19:43, Paul S wrote: I prefer to use a mouse as little as possible. I tried kde4 4.0.5 and > can't figure a way to launch the menu or any of the launchers. For > example, in kde 3.5.9, I can use Alt-F1 to launch the menu and then > press keys that spell out the particular menu item to select it with > . Or, I use Alt-space to pop up katapult and type the name and > hit return. > > I can't find anything like this in kde4 nor do I find any keyboard > shortcuts to specify. But, the docs are sparse still, so maybe I've > just missed it. > > Any ideas how to do this? > > TIA Focusing the menu by keyboard and navigating it is not yet implemented unfortunately. You can use KRunner which is similar to Katapult in KDE 3 and better ;-) You can get it with ALT+F2. Also check the settings in the window that appears to see what KRunner can do already. It will get a lot of more awesome features in the future. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher Amarok community manager kde.org - amarok.kde.org - kubuntu.org claimid.com/nightrose From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 19:39:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:39:10 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Planning In-Reply-To: <484AD0FB.1060406@gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <880dece00806070901k63d6b3a7k36d4cddfa3825c13@mail.gmail.com> <484AD0FB.1060406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806071239m29cfd765x41347be8d7619d97@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/7 Willy K. Hamra : > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2008/6/6 Richard A. Johnson : >>> Note that these tutorials will be provided on IRC, unless of course we can come >>> up with a much better medium, but IRC is kind of difficult to beat in such a >>> dispersed community. >>> >> >> The archived tutorials are not very easy to follow. No matter what the >> medium of delivery, I suggest that the archive include a 'cleaned' >> version which is easy to follow for those reading the tutorials on the >> web, after the fact. >> > can you post me a link to these archived tutorials? i'm new to these > tutorial days and have no idea about them. PHP as you mentioned might be > a good subject, i've been wanting to learn it for quite some while. and > after installing firestarter few days ago, i realized how back i am in > networking, maybe there could be some networking basics tutorial? > Here they are: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials However, I cannot find the old tutorials that I was referring to when I mentioned that they needed to be 'cleaned up'. Have I gotten confused with another project? Were there not once tutorials that were basically just transcripts of IRC logs? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 19:47:05 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:47:05 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Planning In-Reply-To: <484AD04A.9080004@earthlink.net> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <75499-SnapperMsgD8DB99B6C46F4E25@75.199.30.135> <484AD04A.9080004@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806071247s6320a1ecu41057fa19daede1c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/7 John Heinen : > What is IRC ? John H > Get off my lawn!! IRC stands for Internet Relay Chat, the father of instant messaging. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irc Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 20:16:34 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:16:34 +0100 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <880dece00806071247s6320a1ecu41057fa19daede1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <484AD04A.9080004@earthlink.net> <880dece00806071247s6320a1ecu41057fa19daede1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806072116.35100.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Saturday 07 June 2008 20:47:05 Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/7 John Heinen : > > What is IRC ? John H > > Get off my lawn!! Translation, please for the ignorant. :-( Of the metaphorical meaning, not the literal. ;-) Lisi From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 20:43:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 23:43:07 +0300 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> <880dece00806062200k1900c46dicda86e47d1c7d5eb@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806070056h112c1e7dvb0ca89ae1d345e0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806071343w2e2185e4ub122091d7f1b5398@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/7 Knapp : > Open it with inkscape! Problem solved. > DEK > PS Now you owe me. :-) That took some time. LOL > Thank you Knapp! I did discover that Inkscape opens the file properly, and just a few minutes ago discovered that Inkscape exports to PS just fine. However, upon export to PDF Inkscape destroys the letterspacing and the document is unreadable. The problem with Inkscape is that it only translates one page at a time. I have 20+ documents, averaging 10 pages each, so that means that I will have to do 200 manual conversions. I am afraid that the pressure of the upcoming exam, for which I am reading these files, forces me to delay my learning of how to handle this situation. I will update the thread when (if) I learn to script Inkscape to remove fonts from pdf files in bulk. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Sat Jun 7 20:55:58 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:55:58 +0100 Subject: Starting Alt Install from dvd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <484AF5DE.8010409@yahoo.it> John Pierce wrote: > I have downloaded the latest DVD iso of kubuntu 8.0.4 > and would like to use an existing lvm schema that I have. > However, I cannot figure out how to start the alternate installer! I don't remember the exact option but when you start from the dvd it gives you a menu where you can choose something like "text install". However, the normal install will give you the option to reuse the existing partitions, so you should be able to use any install method by just choosing the manual option at the partitioning step. HTH, I. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > TIA > From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Sat Jun 7 21:09:29 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:09:29 +0100 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <200806072116.35100.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <484AD04A.9080004@earthlink.net> <880dece00806071247s6320a1ecu41057fa19daede1c@mail.gmail.com> <200806072116.35100.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <484AF909.8090804@yahoo.it> Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 07 June 2008 20:47:05 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2008/6/7 John Heinen : >>> What is IRC ? John H >> Get off my lawn!! > > Translation, please for the ignorant. :-( My guess is: grumpy old guy screaming at 12 years old playing football on his property... "Get off my lawn!" I. > > Of the metaphorical meaning, not the literal. ;-) > > Lisi > > > From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 21:16:41 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 23:16:41 +0200 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806071343w2e2185e4ub122091d7f1b5398@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> <880dece00806062200k1900c46dicda86e47d1c7d5eb@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806070056h112c1e7dvb0ca89ae1d345e0b@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806071343w2e2185e4ub122091d7f1b5398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A quick brows of "man inkscape" shows that you can open and save files with the command line. Now all you need is a command line jockey and that is not me. Should be easy to write and there you have it all your files done. On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/7 Knapp : > > Open it with inkscape! Problem solved. > > DEK > > PS Now you owe me. :-) That took some time. LOL > > > > Thank you Knapp! I did discover that Inkscape opens the file properly, > and just a few minutes ago discovered that Inkscape exports to PS just > fine. However, upon export to PDF Inkscape destroys the letterspacing > and the document is unreadable. > > The problem with Inkscape is that it only translates one page at a > time. I have 20+ documents, averaging 10 pages each, so that means > that I will have to do 200 manual conversions. I am afraid that the > pressure of the upcoming exam, for which I am reading these files, > forces me to delay my learning of how to handle this situation. I will > update the thread when (if) I learn to script Inkscape to remove fonts > from pdf files in bulk. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Jun 7 21:41:15 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:41:15 -0400 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <484AF909.8090804@yahoo.it> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806072116.35100.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <484AF909.8090804@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200806071741.16189.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 07 June 2008, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > >>> What is IRC   ?   John H Internet relay chat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat From john.j35 at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 00:03:57 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:03:57 -0500 Subject: Starting Alt Install from dvd In-Reply-To: <484AF5DE.8010409@yahoo.it> References: <484AF5DE.8010409@yahoo.it> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > John Pierce wrote: >> I have downloaded the latest DVD iso of kubuntu 8.0.4 >> and would like to use an existing lvm schema that I have. >> However, I cannot figure out how to start the alternate installer! > > I don't remember the exact option but when you start from the dvd it > gives you a menu where you can choose something like "text install". > However, the normal install will give you the option to reuse the > existing partitions, so you should be able to use any install method by > just choosing the manual option at the partitioning step. > HTH, > I. > >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> TIA >> > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Thank you for that info. I will give it a try later tonight. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 13:28:41 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:28:41 +0300 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <200806071741.16189.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806072116.35100.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <484AF909.8090804@yahoo.it> <200806071741.16189.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40806080628j41fcf5d1od06cdcc846bf14f4@mail.gmail.com> lisi, the wikipedia article provided is very helpful, if you want to see what IRC is, the quickest and simplest way is, "K-Menu---> Internet ---> Konversation" , assuming that you are of course using kubuntu,and never run "Konversation" before, you will automatically be connected to the freenode server, and the program will join the kubuntu support channel. if you used any instan messaging program before, you won't have any hard time recognising the interface, you will see a lot of people chatting, and you can participate too. by the way the kubuntu support channel is very helpful if you have problems. 2008/6/8 Bruce Marshall : > On Saturday 07 June 2008, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > > >>> What is IRC ? John H > > Internet relay chat > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 13:42:59 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 14:42:59 +0100 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <15edeae40806080628j41fcf5d1od06cdcc846bf14f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806071741.16189.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <15edeae40806080628j41fcf5d1od06cdcc846bf14f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806081442.59510.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Sunday 08 June 2008 14:28:41 Willy Hamra wrote: > lisi, the wikipedia article provided is very helpful, if you want to see > what IRC is, Thanks for the explanation, Willy. I appreciate your taking the time, but in fact it wasn't I who was asking about IRC. I asked Dotan to explain what keeping off lawns had to do with a question someone else asked about IRC. My message got truncated by someone else. And Dotan, I can see that lawns would be precious in Israel, but I still can't see what that has to do with IRC, so I am obviously being a bit dim. :-( Lisi From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Jun 8 15:04:43 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 10:04:43 -0500 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <200806081442.59510.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806071741.16189.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <15edeae40806080628j41fcf5d1od06cdcc846bf14f4@mail.gmail.com> <200806081442.59510.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <484BF50B.1060007@swbell.net> Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 08 June 2008 14:28:41 Willy Hamra wrote: > >> lisi, the wikipedia article provided is very helpful, if you want to see >> what IRC is, >> > > Thanks for the explanation, Willy. I appreciate your taking the time, but in > fact it wasn't I who was asking about IRC. I asked Dotan to explain what > keeping off lawns had to do with a question someone else asked about IRC. My > message got truncated by someone else. > > And Dotan, I can see that lawns would be precious in Israel, but I still can't > see what that has to do with IRC, so I am obviously being a bit dim. :-( > > Lisi > > I think a more Americanized version might be "Get outa here" [ not in as actually leaving but a slang for are you kidding me ]. Other possibilities might include "Your puttin me on" or "are you kidding". Could be wrong about that but in context it seems to fit. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 16:21:34 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 17:21:34 +0100 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <484BF50B.1060007@swbell.net> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806081442.59510.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <484BF50B.1060007@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200806081721.34606.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Sunday 08 June 2008 16:04:43 Billie Walsh wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: [snip] > > And Dotan, I can see that lawns would be precious in Israel, but I still > > can't see what that has to do with IRC, so I am obviously being a bit > > dim. :-( > > > > Lisi > > > >   > > I think a more Americanized version might be "Get outa here" [ not in as > actually leaving but a slang for are you kidding me ]. Other > possibilities might include "Your puttin me on" or "are you kidding". > Could be wrong about that but in context it seems to fit. Thanks, Billie. That certainly would explain it. I must obviously brush up my American, which is more than a trifle rusty. :-( What was it Shaw said about 2 people divided by a common language?? ;-) Lisi From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 17:25:12 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 20:25:12 +0300 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <200806072116.35100.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <484AD04A.9080004@earthlink.net> <880dece00806071247s6320a1ecu41057fa19daede1c@mail.gmail.com> <200806072116.35100.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806081025g6609bc73xfef93e00ea04ae8c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/7 Lisi Reisz : > On Saturday 07 June 2008 20:47:05 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2008/6/7 John Heinen : >> > What is IRC ? John H >> >> Get off my lawn!! > > Translation, please for the ignorant. :-( > עוף מהחצר שלי! > Of the metaphorical meaning, not the literal. ;-) > Oh. It jokingly means that the person who made the previous comment is very young. "Get off my lawn" is a common slashdot.org meme for pointing out people who are unfamiliar with subjects that only old-timers know about. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 17:28:13 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 20:28:13 +0300 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <200806081442.59510.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806071741.16189.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <15edeae40806080628j41fcf5d1od06cdcc846bf14f4@mail.gmail.com> <200806081442.59510.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806081028wba3c7cbp897c4754765c008e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/8 Lisi Reisz : > And Dotan, I can see that lawns would be precious in Israel, but I still can't > see what that has to do with IRC, so I am obviously being a bit dim. :-( > It is not an Israeli expression. In fact, here we are more likely to offer a glass of juice to a stranger on our lawn than to shoo him away :) This may enlighten you: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22get%20off%20my%20lawn%22%20site%3Aslashdot.org Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sun Jun 8 18:55:02 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 20:55:02 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Planning In-Reply-To: <880dece00806070901k63d6b3a7k36d4cddfa3825c13@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <880dece00806070901k63d6b3a7k36d4cddfa3825c13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806082055.03057.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 07 June 2008 18:01, Dotan Cohen wrote: > The archived tutorials are not very easy to follow. No matter what the > medium of delivery, I suggest that the archive include a 'cleaned' > version which is easy to follow for those reading the tutorials on the > web, after the fact. > > Should there be a tutorial on a subject I am familiar with (HTML, PHP) > I would volunteer to write the 'cleaned' version. I am certain that > for any subject imaginable, a member of the KDE community would have > the skills to provide a clean version of the text. It was a big shock to me when I first googled and found archives from discussion lists; all the messages I clicked on seemed to say the same thing. _ Later I understood how list went and why it was so... applied some quick reading/recognising method or looked for the text whithout the ">" Is that the reason you say that the archived tutorials are not very easy to follow? Simple removal of redundancies would go a good way but I expect quirks if one tries to automate this process. Are you offering to do it manually/or supervise, to offer a "cleaned version"? Take care of yourself Perry -- If the job does not come to Dotan, Dotan goes to the job ;) From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 19:05:56 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:05:56 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Planning In-Reply-To: <200806082055.03057.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <880dece00806070901k63d6b3a7k36d4cddfa3825c13@mail.gmail.com> <200806082055.03057.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <880dece00806081205s2185ac81o31d23f2983870bc4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/8 Sylviane et Perry White : > It was a big shock to me when I first googled and found archives from > discussion lists; all the messages I clicked on seemed to say the same thing. > _ > Later I understood how list went and why it was so... applied some quick > reading/recognising method or looked for the text whithout the ">" > > > Is that the reason you say that the archived tutorials are not very easy to > follow? > Simple removal of redundancies would go a good way but I expect quirks if one > tries to automate this process. > Are you offering to do it manually/or supervise, to offer a "cleaned version"? Can you provide a link? For some reason, I cannot find the IRC logs even though I'm an experienced googler and I even thought that I had it bookmarked. I might find the time to go through the logs and produce something pretty. > Take care of yourself Perry Thanks. We try. > If the job does not come to Dotan, Dotan goes to the job ;) hehehe Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From walter.kerkhofs at scarlet.be Sun Jun 8 19:52:38 2008 From: walter.kerkhofs at scarlet.be (Walter Kerkhofs) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:52:38 +0200 Subject: Kernel problem. Message-ID: <200806082152.38931.walter.kerkhofs@scarlet.be> Hi all, When I select the 2.6.24-18 kernel in GRUB, then I get this message: Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition Press any key to continue..... So I press a key and it brings me back to GRUB. I can only use the 2.6.24-16 kernel to boot the system. Can someone please help me to use the new kernel ? My system: Processor: AMD64 3000+ Graphics card: ATI Radeon 9250 Hard disk: Maxtor 80 GB. Thanks in advance. Walter Kerkhofs -- www.kubuntu.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lanzenesi at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 20:36:56 2008 From: lanzenesi at gmail.com (lanzen) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:36:56 +0200 Subject: Kernel problem. In-Reply-To: <200806082152.38931.walter.kerkhofs@scarlet.be> References: <200806082152.38931.walter.kerkhofs@scarlet.be> Message-ID: <200806082236.57098.lanzenesi@gmail.com> On Sunday 08 June 2008 21:52:38 Walter Kerkhofs wrote: > When I select the 2.6.24-18 kernel in GRUB, then I get this message: > > Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition > > Press any key to continue..... > > So I press a key and it brings me back to GRUB. > I can only use the 2.6.24-16 kernel to boot the system. First thing that comes to mind, check your menu.lst. You'll find it in /boot/grub. Look for a line that says kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-18-generic root=UUID= and see if the number that comes after that is or is not the same as in kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID= If it is, the problem lays elsewhere. If it's not, first make a backup copy sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.backup Then kdesudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst and copy the UUID from 16 to 18, save and reboot. -- lanzen From walter.kerkhofs at scarlet.be Sun Jun 8 21:18:41 2008 From: walter.kerkhofs at scarlet.be (Walter Kerkhofs) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 23:18:41 +0200 Subject: Kernel problem. In-Reply-To: <200806082236.57098.lanzenesi@gmail.com> References: <200806082152.38931.walter.kerkhofs@scarlet.be> <200806082236.57098.lanzenesi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806082318.42200.walter.kerkhofs@scarlet.be> Op Sunday 08 June 2008 22:36:56 schreef lanzen: > On Sunday 08 June 2008 21:52:38 Walter Kerkhofs wrote: > > When I select the 2.6.24-18 kernel in GRUB, then I get this message: > > > > Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition > > > > Press any key to continue..... > > > > So I press a key and it brings me back to GRUB. > > I can only use the 2.6.24-16 kernel to boot the system. > > First thing that comes to mind, check your menu.lst. You'll find it > in /boot/grub. Look for a line that says > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-18-generic root=UUID= > and see if the number that comes after that is or is not the same as in > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID= > > If it is, the problem lays elsewhere. If it's not, first make a backup > copy > > sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.backup > > Then > > kdesudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst > > and copy the UUID from 16 to 18, save and reboot. > > > -- > lanzen When I looked at the two entrences with KGRUBEditor, I finaly found the problem: At the 2.6.24-16 there was this: Root (hd0,2) And at the 2.6.24-18 it was this: Root (hd0,0) So I changed it to hd0,2 rebooted, and all is fine now. Thanks Walter Kerkhofs -- www.kubuntu.org From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jun 9 00:42:07 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:42:07 -0500 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <200806081721.34606.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806081442.59510.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <484BF50B.1060007@swbell.net> <200806081721.34606.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <484C7C5F.5060706@swbell.net> Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 08 June 2008 16:04:43 Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Lisi Reisz wrote: >> > [snip] > >>> And Dotan, I can see that lawns would be precious in Israel, but I still >>> can't see what that has to do with IRC, so I am obviously being a bit >>> dim. :-( >>> >>> Lisi >>> >>> >>> >> I think a more Americanized version might be "Get outa here" [ not in as >> actually leaving but a slang for are you kidding me ]. Other >> possibilities might include "Your puttin me on" or "are you kidding". >> Could be wrong about that but in context it seems to fit. >> > > Thanks, Billie. That certainly would explain it. I must obviously brush up > my American, which is more than a trifle rusty. :-( > > What was it Shaw said about 2 people divided by a common language?? ;-) > > Lisi > > Many years ago we had a couple of young men come to put on a soccer [ football ] camp for the younger kids in our club. I had taken a week off from work to be available for anything they might need. I told them that I, amongst other things, could shag balls for them [ meaning to chase down the balls that went astray ]. They immediately got rather confused looks on their faces. It took us about thirty minutes to sort out the terms in use. The English people and Americans "are" a people separated by a common language. [ Hood/Bonnet, Trunk/Boot, Top/Hood, etc., etc, ad infinitum et nauseum ] -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 07:28:48 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:28:48 +0300 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <484C7C5F.5060706@swbell.net> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806081442.59510.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <484BF50B.1060007@swbell.net> <200806081721.34606.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <484C7C5F.5060706@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806090028l3242c5a8v87d1979252789291@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/9 Billie Walsh : > I told them that > I, amongst other things, could shag balls for them [ meaning to chase > down the balls that went astray ]. They immediately got rather confused > looks on their faces. It took us about thirty minutes to sort out the > terms in use. I seriously hope this was not during the Austin Power craze. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From oub at mat.ucm.es Mon Jun 9 09:00:22 2008 From: oub at mat.ucm.es (Uwe Brauer) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:00:22 +0200 Subject: how to find installed 3rd party debs? Message-ID: <87hcc3x9sp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Hello >From time to time I install 3rd party packages, either generated by my own using alien or from other sites. Now is there a possibility to find out which of my deb packages are installed from the official reps and which are not? Thanks and regards Uwe Brauer From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jun 9 09:14:23 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:14:23 +0100 Subject: how to find installed 3rd party debs? In-Reply-To: <87hcc3x9sp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <87hcc3x9sp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Message-ID: <484CF46F.9070708@tiscali.co.uk> Uwe Brauer wrote: > Hello > > >From time to time I install 3rd party packages, either generated by my > own using alien or from other sites. > > Now is there a possibility to find out which of my deb packages are > installed from the official reps and which are not? > > Thanks and regards > > Uwe Brauer > > > If you use aptitude, in the TUI has tree list of: Installed Packages Not Installed Packages Obsolete and Locally Created Packages <===== this is what you're looking for. Virtual Packages Tasks Everything but the indicated branch is in the repositories that sources.list points to. To start the TUI, just enter: $ sudo aptitude at the console. It works without the sudo, but just for looking - you can't change anything without root privileges, of course... HTH -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From barnaby at drofle.com Mon Jun 9 10:31:06 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:31:06 +0100 Subject: SMTP for a second user Message-ID: <484D066A.1080900@drofle.com> I have Gutsy (kubuntu) working fine for me. I have set up TBird as my email client and it works fine. I have set up my daughter as a second user. I can get everything to work for her except TBird. She can receive messages but cannot send any. I have checked the server settings for SMTP and they are OK. I get the message that TBird cannot connect to the server. I am wondering if there are some permission problems somewhere, or perhaps I need to add her to a group. Can anyone point me in the right direction please? Thanks Neil Winchurst From barnaby at drofle.com Mon Jun 9 13:42:12 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:42:12 +0100 Subject: SMTP for a second user In-Reply-To: <484D066A.1080900@drofle.com> References: <484D066A.1080900@drofle.com> Message-ID: <484D3334.8030500@drofle.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have Gutsy (kubuntu) working fine for me. I have set up TBird as my > email client and it works fine. > > I have set up my daughter as a second user. I can get everything to work > for her except TBird. She can receive messages but cannot send any. I > have checked the server settings for SMTP and they are OK. I get the > message that TBird cannot connect to the server. > > I am wondering if there are some permission problems somewhere, or > perhaps I need to add her to a group. Can anyone point me in the right > direction please? > > Thanks > > Neil Winchurst > Answering my own question... It is so long since I set up a user that I had forgotten. TBird outgoing server defaults to requesting a user name and password. This is not necessary with the server I use. I had forgotten to switch it off. It is not immediately obvious. In Tbird go to Edit -> Account Settings -> Outgoing Server. Then click on the Edit button and switch off Security and Authentication. I had not done that and every time that I tried to send a test email I was asked for the password, only there isn't one!! Get old, get forgetful!! Neil From joelol75 at verizon.net Mon Jun 9 14:02:12 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:02:12 -0400 Subject: okular for KDE 3.5.9? In-Reply-To: <48497037.8080200@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <880dece00806060921m478f8276tb6ffa5a7435b2768@mail.gmail.com> <1f729feb0806060927g6a54ac10ic88008e824adf830@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060939y42c47680k41e98b84c678368e@mail.gmail.com> <484969BE.2060001@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <48496CBF.4010209@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <880dece00806061007u50d2e8e1u6a072404fc8a4dc1@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806061009pe4ced9jdfb9d02ba62ff42f@mail.gmail.com> <48497037.8080200@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <484D37E4.6050908@verizon.net> Chris Jones wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> What's interesting, is that 45 MB of the install is the Oxygen Icon >> set. Talk about bloat for installing one app! (don't flame me, I know >> why this is) >> > > Indeed, I noticed the very same thing. Installing *all* the oxygen icons > just for one app does seem overkill. Hopefully something else they will > address sometime.. > > Chris > > Which brings up a good point. Why can't just a "diff" for somw large files be downloaded instead of the whole package. Seems like a HUGE waste of bandwidth. I guess if I were a decent coder... No I'm not, but there should be a better way... I mean what changed in the oxygen icons? About 1MB if that... Should be some experimental 'opt in' binary patching system for .debs somehow.... The savings would be massive in the end. From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 9 14:16:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:16:22 -0300 Subject: how to find installed 3rd party debs? References: <87hcc3x9sp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <484CF46F.9070708@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <3536126.NuZotb1RSW@cedar.serverforest.com> Wulfy wrote: > Uwe Brauer wrote: >> >> >From time to time I install 3rd party packages, either generated by my >> own using alien or from other sites. >> >> Now is there a possibility to find out which of my deb packages are >> installed from the official reps and which are not? >> > If you use aptitude, in the TUI has tree list of: > > Installed Packages > Not Installed Packages > Obsolete and Locally Created Packages <===== this is what you're looking > for. > Virtual Packages > Tasks > > Everything but the indicated branch is in the repositories that > sources.list points to. That's convenient if the user just downloaded debs, but doesn't help for situations where we've added a third party repository to the sources (I suppose you could comment them out, run "aptitude update" and get the same information). Another solution is: # apt-cache madison `aptitude search '~i !~M' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` The "aptitude search" finds manually installed packages (omit the !~M if you need to include packages automatically installed as dependencies of something else - but that would be an unusual case), "tr" and "cut" just trim the results down to package names, and "apt-cache madison" is like "apt-cache policy" but more conveniently formatted for large amounts of data. Pipe the output through "| grep -v ubuntu.com | sort -u" to find those packages not from Ubuntu. (And no, I didn't just go to the trouble of whipping this up for you - somebody else gave me the aptitude command for finding the packages, and I added the tr and cut to create a weekly cron job that keeps a list of all my installed packages, so that I can easily recreate this setup on another system) -- derek From oub at mat.ucm.es Mon Jun 9 14:48:43 2008 From: oub at mat.ucm.es (Uwe Brauer) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:48:43 +0200 Subject: how to find installed 3rd party debs? References: <87hcc3x9sp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <484CF46F.9070708@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <87r6b6vf3o.fsf@mat.ucm.es> >>>>> "Wulfy" == Wulfy writes: > Uwe Brauer wrote: >> Hello >> >> Uwe Brauer >> >> >> > If you use aptitude, in the TUI has tree list of: > Installed Packages > Not Installed Packages > Obsolete and Locally Created Packages <===== this is what you're looking > for. Thanks very much, this is what I was looking for!!! Uwe From oub at mat.ucm.es Mon Jun 9 14:58:53 2008 From: oub at mat.ucm.es (Uwe Brauer) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:58:53 +0200 Subject: how to find installed 3rd party debs? References: <87hcc3x9sp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <484CF46F.9070708@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <87k5gyvemq.fsf@mat.ucm.es> >> >> >> > If you use aptitude, in the TUI has tree list of: > Installed Packages > Not Installed Packages > Obsolete and Locally Created Packages <===== this is what you're looking > for. Well actually there seems to be a problem: when entering in that node I see the following unknown admin alien base checkinstall comm devel doc editors etc Now admin, checkinstall and alien contain indeed some of the 3rd party debs. However I also have installed a modem driver form linuxant, which I can find in this node. Uwe Brauer From ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk Mon Jun 9 15:41:47 2008 From: ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk (Ronnie Tucker) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:41:47 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04 + KDE4.1 on the EEE Message-ID: <484D4F3B.1040800@ronnietucker.co.uk> After seeing only one write-up (via Google) I decided to try Kubuntu Hardy Remix on the ASUS EEE 701, and update KDE 4.0 to 4.1beta. And I've got to say: Kubuntu remix on the EEE is niiiiiiice! :) http://ronnietucker.co.uk/blog/asus-eee-701-with-kubuntu-804-kde41/ All comments welcome. -- Ronnie Tucker ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk www.RonnieTucker.co.uk MSN: ronnietucker at hotmail.com Registered Linux User # 456627 Registered Ubuntu User # 18227 From Herve at lucidia.net Mon Jun 9 16:08:52 2008 From: Herve at lucidia.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Herv=C3=A9_Fache?=) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:08:52 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04 + KDE4.1 on the EEE In-Reply-To: <484D4F3B.1040800@ronnietucker.co.uk> References: <484D4F3B.1040800@ronnietucker.co.uk> Message-ID: <4413284c0806090908q78524291v311d604bd988290@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Ronnie Tucker wrote: > After seeing only one write-up (via Google) I decided to try Kubuntu > Hardy Remix on the ASUS EEE 701, and update KDE 4.0 to 4.1beta. And I've > got to say: Kubuntu remix on the EEE is niiiiiiice! :) > > http://ronnietucker.co.uk/blog/asus-eee-701-with-kubuntu-804-kde41/ > > All comments welcome. > > -- > Ronnie Tucker > > ronnie at ronnietucker.co.uk > www.RonnieTucker.co.uk > > MSN: ronnietucker at hotmail.com > > Registered Linux User # 456627 > Registered Ubuntu User # 18227 > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Thanks for that! Gonna try this beta right now!!! From oub at mat.ucm.es Mon Jun 9 16:52:39 2008 From: oub at mat.ucm.es (Uwe Brauer) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:52:39 +0200 Subject: how to find installed 3rd party debs? References: <87hcc3x9sp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <484CF46F.9070708@tiscali.co.uk> <3536126.NuZotb1RSW@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <87fxrmv9d4.fsf@mat.ucm.es> >>>>> "Derek" == Derek Broughton writes: > Wulfy wrote: > # apt-cache madison `aptitude search '~i !~M' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` Thanks but I obtain a odd result: amarok | 2:1.4.5-0ubuntu2~edgy1kubuntu1 | http://archive.czessi.net edgy/main Packages amarok | 2:1.4.4-0ubuntu1 | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages amarok-xine | 2:1.4.5-0ubuntu2~edgy1kubuntu1 | http://archive.czessi.net edgy/main Package s amarok-xine | 2:1.4.4-0ubuntu1 | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages digikam | 2:0.9.1-0kubuntu2 | http://archive.czessi.net edgy/universe Packages dvd+rw-tools | 7.0-6~edgy1 | http://archive.czessi.net edgy/main Packages hal | 0.5.7.1-0ubuntu13linux2go1 | http://www.linux2go.dk edgy/main Packages k3b | 1.0-0ubuntu2kubuntu1~edgy1 | http://archive.czessi.net edgy/main Packages kaffeine | 0.8.4-0kubuntu1~edgy1 | http://archive.czessi.net edgy/main Packages kaffeine-xine | 0.8.4-0kubuntu1~edgy1 | http://archive.czessi.net edgy/main Packages kipi-plugins | 0.1.3-0kubuntu1 | http://archive.czessi.net edgy/universe Packages koffice-data | 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1~edgy1 | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages koffice-libs | 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1~edgy1 | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages krita | 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1~edgy1 | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages krita-data | 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1~edgy1 | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages kspread | 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1~edgy1 | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages ktorrent | 2.1-0kubuntu1 | http://archive.czessi.net edgy/main Packages etc Some of the debs seems not to be official, but some like http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages should be.... So what is wrong here? Uwe Brauer From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jun 9 18:35:57 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:35:57 -0500 Subject: Translation needed please, Dotan. In-Reply-To: <880dece00806090028l3242c5a8v87d1979252789291@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806081442.59510.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <484BF50B.1060007@swbell.net> <200806081721.34606.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <484C7C5F.5060706@swbell.net> <880dece00806090028l3242c5a8v87d1979252789291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484D780D.6010801@swbell.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/9 Billie Walsh : > >> I told them that >> I, amongst other things, could shag balls for them [ meaning to chase >> down the balls that went astray ]. They immediately got rather confused >> looks on their faces. It took us about thirty minutes to sort out the >> terms in use. >> > > I seriously hope this was not during the Austin Power craze. > > Dotan Cohen This transpired about twenty years ago. Well before Austin Powers. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 9 19:29:35 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:29:35 -0300 Subject: how to find installed 3rd party debs? References: <87hcc3x9sp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <484CF46F.9070708@tiscali.co.uk> <3536126.NuZotb1RSW@cedar.serverforest.com> <87fxrmv9d4.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Message-ID: <11463894.oMp3qcjobQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Uwe Brauer wrote: >>>>>> "Derek" == Derek Broughton writes: > > > # apt-cache madison `aptitude search '~i !~M' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 2 > > # -d ' '` > > Thanks but I obtain a odd result: > > amarok | 2:1.4.5-0ubuntu2~edgy1kubuntu1 | http://archive.czessi.net > edgy/main Packages ... > etc > > Some of the debs seems not to be official, but some like > http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages should be.... > > So what is wrong here? Nothing. I specifically gave you a command to include _official_ Ubuntu packages. Kubuntu.org is not an official Ubuntu site. If you want to exclude those, add "kubuntu.org" to the grep. However, in your case, you're likely to see odd results anyway, as edgy no longer exists in the official repositories, either. -- derek From jgspacekid at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 21:16:10 2008 From: jgspacekid at yahoo.com (Jerrod G) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <50808.48504.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jun 9 22:31:12 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:31:12 +0100 Subject: how to find installed 3rd party debs? In-Reply-To: <87k5gyvemq.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <87hcc3x9sp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <484CF46F.9070708@tiscali.co.uk> <87k5gyvemq.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Message-ID: <484DAF30.10505@tiscali.co.uk> Uwe Brauer wrote: > Well actually there seems to be a problem: > when entering in that node I see > the following > unknown > admin > alien > base > checkinstall > comm > devel > doc > editors > > > etc > > Now admin, checkinstall and alien contain indeed some of the 3rd party > debs. However I also have installed a modem driver form linuxant, > which I can find in this node. > > > Uwe Brauer > > > I think it should say something like "Those debs installed from other places than the repositories in the sources.list"... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From john_son311 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 04:24:28 2008 From: john_son311 at yahoo.com (john son) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help me Pls Message-ID: <788411.71729.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi all, Im new with kubuntu, I got problem : 1. I cant remove panel in my screen got shrinked, even after I configure pane and klik remove from panel, theres no command removing panel 2.I cant play Audio and Video/ Vcd player with Amarok, Kaffeine etc 3.I cant show and watch webcam from chatting in YM Thanks for your details guide to fix those problems. From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Tue Jun 10 05:25:40 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:25:40 +0200 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <50808.48504.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <50808.48504.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 09/06/2008, Jerrod G wrote: > > > well, he wrote nothin, actually. Is this a spam message? I'm not going to retrieve an unknown and non described image from the web. Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I upgraded to hardy, I had to reinstall VMWare by running the installer, answering no for the "do you want to configure now" applying the patches, and then running the configure stuff It then didnt work, but I found something on the ubuntu forums about moving the normal GTK libs to overwrite the ones that VMWare server used. I'll try and remember to find out how I did all this tomorrow when I'm at work (which is where I did all this) and reply with full instructions. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or, I use Alt-space to pop up katapult and type the name and > > hit return. > > > > I can't find anything like this in kde4 nor do I find any keyboard > > shortcuts to specify. But, the docs are sparse still, so maybe I've > > just missed it. > > > > Any ideas how to do this? > > > > TIA > > Focusing the menu by keyboard and navigating it is not yet implemented > unfortunately. > You can use KRunner which is similar to Katapult in KDE 3 and better > ;-) You can get it with ALT+F2. Also check the settings in the window > that appears to see what KRunner can do already. It will get a lot of > more awesome features in the future. Tsk, tsk Lydia - krunner is NOT better - it's just different. Plus, Katapult IS undergoing a rewrite for KDE4 (and KDE3) - though as noone else seems to want to help - this is all being done in my own time (and researching the new technologies it's using (dbus, QT4, etc etc) is time consuming. 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I might find the time to go through the logs and > produce something pretty. No, sorry Perry -- BOFH excuse #11: magnetic interference from money/credit cards From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Jun 10 15:56:58 2008 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:56:58 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Message-ID: <20080610155658.GI3001@muse.19inch.net> Join us on Sunday on IRC for these tutorials. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay Jonathan From john_son311 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 17:46:20 2008 From: john_son311 at yahoo.com (john son) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help me Pls Message-ID: <891596.57586.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi all, Im new with kubuntu, I got problem : 1. I cant remove panel in my screen got shrinked, even after I configure pane and klik remove from panel, theres no command removing panel 2.I cant play Audio and Video/ Vcd player with Amarok, Kaffeine etc 3.I cant sho From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 18:01:27 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:01:27 -0400 Subject: Help me Pls In-Reply-To: <891596.57586.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <891596.57586.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860806101101r3da81011o6b0139ce11946fef@mail.gmail.com> You need to be a little more descriptive with these. What have you already tried to fix each issue? On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, john son wrote: > Hi all, > > Im new with kubuntu, I got problem : > > 1. I cant remove panel in my screen got shrinked, even after I configure pane and klik remove from panel, theres no command removing panel > > 2.I cant play Audio and Video/ Vcd player with Amarok, Kaffeine etc > > 3.I cant sho > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 18:10:00 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:10:00 -0400 Subject: Help me Pls In-Reply-To: <891596.57586.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <891596.57586.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <484EC378.1090102@gmail.com> john son wrote: > Hi all, Hi, Didn't you ask these same 3 questions a few days ago? May I make a suggestion? Re-write this as 3 seperate questions and instead of saying help me as the subject, put a short description of the problem. You could have as a subject , Panel problems, Amorok and Kaffeine not working, and what ever the 3rd problem is. If you send a message with a subject like help please, for anyone to help you they would have to open your email to see what your problem is. If you use an informative subject, if someone is just looking at the subject, they will know what the problem is and in fact, may have dealt with the same problem. Try it. See if you get answers that way. Eric Jackson > > Im new with kubuntu, I got problem : > > 1. I cant remove panel in my screen got shrinked, even after I configure pane and klik remove from panel, theres no command removing panel > > 2.I cant play Audio and Video/ Vcd player with Amarok, Kaffeine etc > > 3.I cant sho > > > > > From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 18:32:02 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:32:02 +0200 Subject: Help me Pls In-Reply-To: <891596.57586.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <891596.57586.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/10 john son : > Hi all, > > Im new with kubuntu, I got problem : > > 1. I cant remove panel in my screen got shrinked, even after I configure pane and klik remove from panel, theres no command removing panel > > 2.I cant play Audio and Video/ Vcd player with Amarok, Kaffeine etc > If you don't have already, install the kubuntu-restricted-extras packages and see if that help. Both Kaffeine and Amarok uses xine as backend so make sure you got xine installed to. If that don't help you have to give us more info of what kind of files you try to play. / Jonas From cary at bielenberg.id.au Tue Jun 10 21:09:34 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:09:34 +1000 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day In-Reply-To: <20080610155658.GI3001@muse.19inch.net> References: <20080610155658.GI3001@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <484EED8E.6000702@bielenberg.id.au> Not wanting to be sarcastic but what good is tutorials if you don't have or haven't had a working KDE(4) for 3 weeks? For the 1st time in my testing Kubuntu (since Hoary)I'm using Gnome :-[ Cary Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Join us on Sunday on IRC for these tutorials. > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay > > Jonathan > > From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Jun 10 21:40:46 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:40:46 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day In-Reply-To: <484EED8E.6000702@bielenberg.id.au> References: <20080610155658.GI3001@muse.19inch.net> <484EED8E.6000702@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <200806101740.46834.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 10 June 2008, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > Not wanting to be sarcastic but what good is tutorials if you don't have > or haven't had a working KDE(4) for 3 weeks? For the 1st time in my > testing Kubuntu (since Hoary)I'm using Gnome :-[ Sounds to me like you made a decision to use KDE4 and don't like it (or it doesn't work for you) I tried it, didn't like it, and switched back to KDE3. I'm not going to moan about it. That's what linux is all about - - - choices. From jferrando at netplc.com Tue Jun 10 21:49:17 2008 From: jferrando at netplc.com (Jordi Ferrando Fabra) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:49:17 +0200 Subject: Hardy Upgrade Killed vmware server In-Reply-To: <1212934857.8810.23.camel@synergy> References: <17577343.post@talk.nabble.com> <48439281.4090506@netplc.com> <48474AEC.8050105@lemmons.name> <484752EE.50809@bielenberg.id.au> <4847942B.20203@netplc.com> <3dde113c0806061147u28c52c20ud7365821b4e5fabd@mail.gmail.com> <1212934857.8810.23.camel@synergy> Message-ID: <484EF6DD.7000506@netplc.com> Download last version of vmware server, it works with hardy without hacking. Martin Meredith escribió: > Not too sure if your question was answered, as I'm reading mail offline, > and as such, some of my emails haven't been synced for downloading. > > If you search the VMWare site it should tell you something about a > patches tgz... > > When I upgraded to hardy, I had to reinstall VMWare by running the > installer, answering no for the "do you want to configure now" applying > the patches, and then running the configure stuff > > It then didnt work, but I found something on the ubuntu forums about > moving the normal GTK libs to overwrite the ones that VMWare server > used. > > I'll try and remember to find out how I did all this tomorrow when I'm > at work (which is where I did all this) and reply with full > instructions. > From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 21:51:38 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:51:38 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day In-Reply-To: <200806101740.46834.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <20080610155658.GI3001@muse.19inch.net> <484EED8E.6000702@bielenberg.id.au> <200806101740.46834.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40806101451u6a6828b0uf21e902f33c65136@mail.gmail.com> exactly, choices! i tried KDE4 back in gutsy, didnt like it, went to back to KDE3, tried compiz, got weirdities, removed it, tried half a dozen messengers, still not satisfied wih any :P looking forward to sunday 2008/6/11 Bruce Marshall : > On Tuesday 10 June 2008, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > > Not wanting to be sarcastic but what good is tutorials if you don't have > > or haven't had a working KDE(4) for 3 weeks? For the 1st time in my > > testing Kubuntu (since Hoary)I'm using Gnome :-[ > > Sounds to me like you made a decision to use KDE4 and don't like it (or it > doesn't work for you) > > I tried it, didn't like it, and switched back to KDE3. I'm not going to > moan > about it. That's what linux is all about - - - choices. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Fred Allen - "Imitation is the sincerest form of television." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is blocked by main inclusion requests which while frustrating is entirely expected. Packages are available for hardy so non-developers would be best to stick to those for now. Jonathan From cary at bielenberg.id.au Tue Jun 10 22:46:54 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:46:54 +1000 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: Kubuntu Tutorials Day In-Reply-To: <20080610223857.GK3001@muse.19inch.net> References: <20080610155658.GI3001@muse.19inch.net> <484EED8E.6000702@bielenberg.id.au> <200806101740.46834.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <484F0040.4000103@bielenberg.id.au> <20080610223857.GK3001@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <484F045E.4060704@bielenberg.id.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 07:04:56 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:04:56 +0200 Subject: KlamAV problems Message-ID: <484F7918.7010807@gmail.com> Am I the only one who now and then use KlamAV to scan usb flash memory etc? Since installing 8.04 I can start, update etc but if I try to minimize to Tasktray it dies with error message "update process died suddenly, did you manually kill it?" Have not found anything worthwhile on the net about this. Regards, Sinclair From slewin at bmts.com Wed Jun 11 12:39:20 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:39:20 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day In-Reply-To: <200806101740.46834.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <20080610155658.GI3001@muse.19inch.net> <484EED8E.6000702@bielenberg.id.au> <200806101740.46834.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <484FC778.4060206@bmts.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > I tried it, didn't like it, and switched back to KDE3. I'm not going to moan > about it. That's what linux is all about - - - choices. Same here I'm planning on trying KDE4 again when 8.10 comes out. I also tried compiz for a while then got board of it :). -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jun 11 13:19:01 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:19:01 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day References: <20080610155658.GI3001@muse.19inch.net> <484EED8E.6000702@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <28233957.8kBMPDe4S7@cedar.serverforest.com> Cary Bielenberg wrote: > Not wanting to be sarcastic but what good is tutorials if you don't have > or haven't had a working KDE(4) for 3 weeks? For the 1st time in my > testing Kubuntu (since Hoary)I'm using Gnome :-[ What good is "testing kubuntu", with Gnome. There's no such thing as Kubuntu with Gnome - you're just testing Ubuntu. As for KDE, it works just fine if you use the default one you got with the upgrade. KDE4 is a joke. -- derek From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Wed Jun 11 14:29:53 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:29:53 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day In-Reply-To: <484FC778.4060206@bmts.com> References: <20080610155658.GI3001@muse.19inch.net> <200806101740.46834.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <484FC778.4060206@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806110729.53379.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Wednesday 11 June 2008 05:39:20 am Scott wrote: > Bruce Marshall wrote: > > I tried it, didn't like it, and switched back to KDE3. I'm not going to > > moan about it. That's what linux is all about - - - choices. > > Same here I'm planning on trying KDE4 again when 8.10 comes out. I also > tried compiz for a while then got board of it :). I don't like the only two screens of KDE4 if any effects are turned on. I'm used to working with a normal of four which gives me a quick change from BibleTime, to Kmail, to Firefox, to stockmanager which are the four apps I run constantly. I tried to set up KDE4 for use but the more I tried the more unusable it became so it is KDE3 here till some major fixes are installed. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From spwhite at freesurf.ch Wed Jun 11 16:26:14 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:26:14 +0200 Subject: [kubuntu-users] Re: Kubuntu Tutorials Day In-Reply-To: <484F045E.4060704@bielenberg.id.au> References: <20080610155658.GI3001@muse.19inch.net> <20080610223857.GK3001@muse.19inch.net> <484F045E.4060704@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <200806111826.14793.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Wednesday 11 June 2008 00:46, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > > Bugger! If had known that I would have stuck to Hardy for a while! In > the 3 & a bit years I have been testing I have never waited & > been the 1st cab off the block & not experienced the magnitude of > problems.
Hi, Cary You are learning the hard way not to rush for the latest new thing. Of course the grand scale testing needs to be done and many people find that exciting and do it regularly. I bet they don't jeopardise there productivity system but install on a different partition (alternate boot) or sometimes use a different machine altogether. Also could you please avoid using HTML on this list. Perry -- BOFH excuse #159: Stubborn processes From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Wed Jun 11 17:18:31 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:18:31 -0700 Subject: KlamAV problems In-Reply-To: <484F7918.7010807@gmail.com> References: <484F7918.7010807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806111018.31171.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Wednesday 11 June 2008 12:04:56 am O. Sinclair wrote: > Am I the only one who now and then use KlamAV to scan usb flash memory > etc? Since installing 8.04 I can start, update etc but if I try to > minimize to Tasktray it dies with error message "update process died > suddenly, did you manually kill it?" Have you run Klamav in "Run Command"? It seems each time Clam is updated it does this till I run it as a command. Then it goes ahead and loads at boot and stays lit in the tray. I use it for mailscan mostly but do check pendrives. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jun 11 17:37:15 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:37:15 -0500 Subject: 64 bit question Message-ID: <48500D4B.5060908@swbell.net> All the 64 bit versions I see on the lists are AMD64. Can you run them on an Intel Dual Core? -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 17:49:20 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:49:20 -0400 Subject: 64 bit question In-Reply-To: <48500D4B.5060908@swbell.net> References: <48500D4B.5060908@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2759cf860806111049p32be40f7q582e0d51d74656e@mail.gmail.com> yes - on the download page for the isos it says that the amd64 version is for EM64T as well as actual AMD 64 processors. I'm running these on a Pentium D (dual core) right now and they work fine. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > All the 64 bit versions I see on the lists are AMD64. Can you run them > on an Intel Dual Core? > > -- > Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 17:55:42 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:55:42 +0300 Subject: 64 bit question In-Reply-To: <48500D4B.5060908@swbell.net> References: <48500D4B.5060908@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4850119E.4010209@gmail.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > All the 64 bit versions I see on the lists are AMD64. Can you run them > on an Intel Dual Core? > it didn't work for me on a EM64T capable processor, a pentium IV with Hyper Threading. :( -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you run them >> on an Intel Dual Core? >> > it didn't work for me on a EM64T capable processor, a pentium IV with > Hyper Threading. :( > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jun 11 18:15:18 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:15:18 -0500 Subject: 64 bit question In-Reply-To: <2759cf860806111049p32be40f7q582e0d51d74656e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48500D4B.5060908@swbell.net> <2759cf860806111049p32be40f7q582e0d51d74656e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48501636.1020206@swbell.net> Jared Greenwald wrote: > yes - on the download page for the isos it says that the amd64 version > is for EM64T as well as actual AMD 64 processors. I'm running these on > a Pentium D (dual core) right now and they work fine. > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> All the 64 bit versions I see on the lists are AMD64. Can you run them >> on an Intel Dual Core? >> >> -- >> Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > > Thanks. I have two Intel Dual core computers but haven't ever tried the 64 bit version. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Jun 11 18:28:58 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:28:58 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04 on a Dell XPS M1330 laptop... how to get wireless working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4850196A.3030905@rmk.co.il> Robert Menes wrote: > Greetings, fellow Kubuntu users! Yesterday, I helped a co-worker install > Kubuntu 8.04 on his laptop. > > The laptop is a Dell XPS M1330 laptop with a Core 2 Duo CPU, 3GB of RAM, > 250GB HD with WinXP Pro SP2 > and Kubuntu dual-booting, fingerprint reader, nVidia GeForce Go 8400M GS > video card (128MB RAM), Bluetooth, > High Definition Audio 2.0 (unknown chipset), and integrated 10/100 network > card and PCI wireless card. > > Most of the hardware works out of the box, save for the nVidia card and the > PCI wireless card. Installing the restricted > nVidia driver (nvidia-glx-new) worked and allowed Compiz Fusion to work, but > the PCI card is baffling me. > > According to KInfoCenter, the card appears to be a BroadCom based card, > meaning that I may need the firmware > wrapper for Kubuntu 8.04. However, another page detailing an Ubuntu install > on the same model laptop > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1330 says that the > wireless PCI is in fact an Intel > Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini Card. Rather than simply install the BroadCom > firmware for nothing, I wanted to know > if anyone else with this same hardware can confirm for me who the > manufacturer is, and what steps should I take > to enable it. > > For reference, I have attached the output of lspci, lspci -n, lsmod, dmesg, > and /proc/cpuinfo. Thanks for everyone's help! > > --Rob > (If it ain't Linux, it stinks :P) > Did you get it working yet? I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the Broadcom wireless card, whilst a friend that also has a Dell Inspiron 1525 has the Intel wireless card! I'm not sure why Dell installs different hardware on the same laptop models. Anyway, I manually installed the Broadcom drivers using ndiswrapper (I followed the instructions on the Ubuntu wiki - you can do a simple search) but now I see that there has been an update and apparently the drivers are now available in the standard repos. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Jun 11 18:42:35 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:42:35 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04 on a Dell XPS M1330 laptop... how to get wireless working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48501C9B.402@rmk.co.il> Robert Menes wrote: > Greetings, fellow Kubuntu users! Yesterday, I helped a co-worker install > Kubuntu 8.04 on his laptop. > > The laptop is a Dell XPS M1330 laptop with a Core 2 Duo CPU, 3GB of RAM, > 250GB HD with WinXP Pro SP2 > and Kubuntu dual-booting, fingerprint reader, nVidia GeForce Go 8400M GS > video card (128MB RAM), Bluetooth, > High Definition Audio 2.0 (unknown chipset), and integrated 10/100 network > card and PCI wireless card. > > Most of the hardware works out of the box, save for the nVidia card and the > PCI wireless card. Installing the restricted > nVidia driver (nvidia-glx-new) worked and allowed Compiz Fusion to work, but > the PCI card is baffling me. > > According to KInfoCenter, the card appears to be a BroadCom based card, > meaning that I may need the firmware > wrapper for Kubuntu 8.04. However, another page detailing an Ubuntu install > on the same model laptop > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1330 says that the > wireless PCI is in fact an Intel > Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini Card. Rather than simply install the BroadCom > firmware for nothing, I wanted to know > if anyone else with this same hardware can confirm for me who the > manufacturer is, and what steps should I take > to enable it. > > For reference, I have attached the output of lspci, lspci -n, lsmod, dmesg, > and /proc/cpuinfo. Thanks for everyone's help! > > --Rob > (If it ain't Linux, it stinks :P) > Did you get it working yet? I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the Broadcom wireless card, whilst a friend that also has a Dell Inspiron 1525 has the Intel wireless card! I'm not sure why Dell installs different hardware on the same laptop models. Anyway, I manually installed the Broadcom drivers using ndiswrapper (I followed the instructions on the Ubuntu wiki - you can do a simple search) but now I see that there has been an update and apparently the drivers are now available in the standard repos. Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jun 11 19:00:21 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:00:21 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04 on a Dell XPS M1330 laptop... how to get wireless working References: <4850196A.3030905@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <2874843.WPge846ETj@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Robert Menes wrote: >> Most of the hardware works out of the box, save for the nVidia card and >> the PCI wireless card. Installing the restricted >> nVidia driver (nvidia-glx-new) worked and allowed Compiz Fusion to work, >> but the PCI card is baffling me. >> >> According to KInfoCenter, the card appears to be a BroadCom based card, >> meaning that I may need the firmware >> wrapper for Kubuntu 8.04. However, another page detailing an Ubuntu >> install on the same model laptop >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1330 says that the >> wireless PCI is in fact an Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini Card. Trust the hardware. If KInfoCentre says it's Broadcom, it is... > I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the Broadcom wireless card, whilst a > friend that also has a Dell Inspiron 1525 has the Intel wireless card! I'm > not sure why Dell installs different hardware on the same laptop models. Because Broadcom is probably cheaper but smart Linux shoppers prefer Intel. When I bought my last (and I mean _last_) Dell, I think there were four different options for wireless. > Anyway, I manually installed the Broadcom drivers using ndiswrapper So did I, for my current HP. But there's something to be said for plug'n'play - my wife's laptop (that same Dell mentioned above) has gone through 3 wireless cards in its lifetime: the original internal ipw2200, a cheap SMC using ndiswrapper, and now it's using an atheros based D-Link. I gotta say, I was impressed when I decided the problem she was having must be with the cheap SMC, pulled it out and popped in the D-Link and everything worked immediately. -- derek From turgon at mike-leone.com Wed Jun 11 20:19:45 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:19:45 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04 on a Dell XPS M1330 laptop... how to get wireless working In-Reply-To: <48501C9B.402@rmk.co.il> References: <48501C9B.402@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the Broadcom wireless card, whilst a friend that also has a Dell > Inspiron 1525 has the Intel wireless card! I'm not sure why Dell installs different hardware on > the same laptop models. That's the Inpiron (consumer) line - it's assembled from off-the-shelf components, and changes frequently. The Latitude (or business) line standardizes more, and the components stay the same for something like 18 months, while the Inspiron components change like every 6 months. Hence it's possible for 2 units of the same Inspiron model to have different components. -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Wed Jun 11 23:27:03 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:27:03 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu 8.04 on a Dell XPS M1330 laptop... how to get wireless working In-Reply-To: <4850196A.3030905@rmk.co.il> References: <4850196A.3030905@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200806111627.03591.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Wednesday 11 June 2008 11:28:58 am Nigel Ridley wrote: > > Did you get it working yet? > I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the Broadcom wireless card, whilst a > friend that also has a Dell Inspiron 1525 has the Intel wireless card! I'm > not sure why Dell installs different hardware on the same laptop models. Is one of them a 1525n series? They wouldn't install a windoze only unit in a system intended for Linux use would they? :) Anyway, FWIW my 1525n series has an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (rev 2) card in it. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From neonchrist0 at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 01:47:51 2008 From: neonchrist0 at gmail.com (NeonChrist) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:47:51 -0600 Subject: Installing kubuntu 8.04 on a Inspiron 1420N laptop Message-ID: <48508047.2010906@gmail.com> I'm thinking about buying the Inspiron 1420N (with a few improvements to the stock model), but I want to install Kubuntu 8.04 on it rather than the ubuntu 7.10 it comes with. I'm assuming that I won't run into any problems, and that it should install and recognize the hardware with no problems. Does anyone know if I'll need to change any drivers or other configuration options to make it run? Will this video card support desktop effects? PROCESSOR: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T5450 (1.66GHz/667Mhz FSB/2MB cache) OPERATING SYSTEM: Ubuntu Linux version 7.10 with DVD Playback DISPLAY Anti-glare, widescreen 14.1 inch display (1280x800) VIDEO CARD 128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® Go 8400M GS MEMORY 2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz HARD DRIVESize: 120GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM) OPTICAL DRIVE 8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability WIRELESS CARDS Intel® 3945 802.11a/g Mini-card BATTERY OPTIONS 56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell) SOUND OPTIONS Integrated High Definition Audio Thanks for the help. From john.j35 at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 03:17:16 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:17:16 -0500 Subject: kde 3 & 4 side by side? Message-ID: Hello list members, if I do the following command apt-get install kde4 will I have both kde 3 and 4 side by side or will it replace the kde3 install? TIA -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 04:24:52 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:24:52 +0200 Subject: Installing kubuntu 8.04 on a Inspiron 1420N laptop In-Reply-To: <48508047.2010906@gmail.com> References: <48508047.2010906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4850A514.4010102@gmail.com> NeonChrist wrote: > I'm thinking about buying the Inspiron 1420N (with a few improvements to > the stock model), but I want to install Kubuntu 8.04 on it rather than > the ubuntu 7.10 it comes with. I'm assuming that I won't run into any > problems, and that it should install and recognize the hardware with no > problems. Does anyone know if I'll need to change any drivers or other > configuration options to make it run? Will this video card support > desktop effects? > > > PROCESSOR: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T5450 (1.66GHz/667Mhz FSB/2MB cache) > OPERATING SYSTEM: Ubuntu Linux version 7.10 with DVD Playback > DISPLAY Anti-glare, widescreen 14.1 inch display (1280x800) > VIDEO CARD 128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® Go 8400M GS > MEMORY 2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz > HARD DRIVESize: 120GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM) > OPTICAL DRIVE 8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write > capability > WIRELESS CARDS Intel® 3945 802.11a/g Mini-card > BATTERY OPTIONS 56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell) > SOUND OPTIONS Integrated High Definition Audio You should have no problems whatsoever with this configuration. Install Kubuntu 8.04 and check on Dells linux wiki what to do (there is a ppa repo amongst others) to work out a few kinks. http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_8.04 Regards, Sinclair From grey at dmiyu.org Thu Jun 12 04:26:58 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:26:58 -0700 Subject: kde 3 & 4 side by side? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4850A592.1060507@dmiyu.org> John Pierce wrote: > Hello list members, if I do the following command > apt-get install kde4 > will I have both kde 3 and 4 side by side or will it replace > the kde3 install? Side-by-side. You choose which you want to boot into from KDM's "session" menu. From john.j35 at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 05:02:13 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:02:13 -0500 Subject: kde 3 & 4 side by side? In-Reply-To: <4850A592.1060507@dmiyu.org> References: <4850A592.1060507@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: > John Pierce wrote: >> Hello list members, if I do the following command >> apt-get install kde4 >> will I have both kde 3 and 4 side by side or will it replace >> the kde3 install? > > Side-by-side. You choose which you want to boot into from KDM's > "session" menu. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Thank you -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 06:55:18 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:55:18 +0200 Subject: KlamAV problems In-Reply-To: <200806111018.31171.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <484F7918.7010807@gmail.com> <200806111018.31171.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <4850C856.4060207@gmail.com> Pastor JW wrote: > On Wednesday 11 June 2008 12:04:56 am O. Sinclair wrote: >> Am I the only one who now and then use KlamAV to scan usb flash memory >> etc? Since installing 8.04 I can start, update etc but if I try to >> minimize to Tasktray it dies with error message "update process died >> suddenly, did you manually kill it?" > > Have you run Klamav in "Run Command"? It seems each time Clam is updated it > does this till I run it as a command. Then it goes ahead and loads at boot > and stays lit in the tray. I use it for mailscan mostly but do check > pendrives. > > Weird - that did it. Started Klamav via Run Command, let it stay open and rebooted and Klamav now nicely resides in the tray. Bug for all I know but one I can live with thanks, Sinclair From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 07:57:44 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:57:44 +0200 Subject: Logitech RX1000 Still Broken Report Message-ID: Hello, I was asked to report how my mouse fixing was going. I lost the email but here is where it is at. I have tried everything suggested but to no use. My mouse works with the included settings but I must update them on reboot. The other suggested settings just don't work at all, dead mouse. I also tried variations of them too. I am up for new ideas now that my life has calmed down again. Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Logitech RX1000" Driver "evdev" Option "Protocol" "evdev" Option "Name" "Logitech USB Optical Mouse" Option "Phys" "usb-*/input0" ########### This must be updated on boot because input0 changes often. Option "Device" "/dev/input/event5" ########### This must be updated on boot because event5 changes often. Option "Buttons" "8" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Resolution" "1000" Option "CorePointer" EndSection Thanks for the help. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philbieber at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 08:32:28 2008 From: philbieber at gmail.com (Phil Bieber) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:32:28 +0200 Subject: 64 bit question In-Reply-To: <48501636.1020206@swbell.net> References: <48500D4B.5060908@swbell.net> <2759cf860806111049p32be40f7q582e0d51d74656e@mail.gmail.com> <48501636.1020206@swbell.net> Message-ID: <3b27fa9d0806120132j236b011ci44ce77692b0dc175@mail.gmail.com> Hi! I've been running Ubuntu 64 bit for quite a while on Core 2 Duo. AMD64 is just a generic name for all 64 Bit processors / technologies out there! Cheers Phil Bieber -- Warnings from the manual for Layer Express v2 (an AutoCAD extension): Written on Page 12 (Blank page separating Ch. 1 & 2): To reduce the risk of shock, Do not remove the cover of this book. No serviceable components inside. GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber): 0x0185E301 FINGERPRINT: CA81 28C2 E63F DAF8 5ED4 DACB 7C26 EE5B 0185 E301 Phil Bieber - philbieber at gmail.com GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber Work): 0x3E43576A FINGERPRINT: F043 92A1 2A2C 5256 52A9 DECB A39F B04C 3E43 576A Philipp Bieber - philipp.bieber at gundlach.de From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 10:02:18 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:02:18 +0200 Subject: 64 bit question In-Reply-To: <3b27fa9d0806120132j236b011ci44ce77692b0dc175@mail.gmail.com> References: <48500D4B.5060908@swbell.net> <2759cf860806111049p32be40f7q582e0d51d74656e@mail.gmail.com> <48501636.1020206@swbell.net> <3b27fa9d0806120132j236b011ci44ce77692b0dc175@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/12 Phil Bieber : > Hi! > I've been running Ubuntu 64 bit for quite a while on Core 2 Duo. > AMD64 is just a generic name for all 64 Bit processors / technologies out there! > > Cheers > Phil Bieber I think it's wrong to say that it's a generic name for all 64 bits processors. 64 bits CPU:s is not only the latest processors from AMD and Intel with the x86-64 extension. There are many vendors with other 64 bits architectures, like PowerPC and Intels Itanium (IA-64), and they are not supported by the latest Ubuntu AMD64. But for the OP question about support for the Intel Dual Core (as already answered) the Ubuntu AMD64 works fine. / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 10:17:40 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:17:40 +0200 Subject: Logitech RX1000 Still Broken Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/6/12 Knapp : > Hello, I was asked to report how my mouse fixing was going. I lost the email > but here is where it is at. > > I have tried everything suggested but to no use. My mouse works with the > included settings but I must update them on reboot. The other suggested > settings just don't work at all, dead mouse. I also tried variations of them > too. > > I am up for new ideas now that my life has calmed down again. > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Logitech RX1000" > Driver "evdev" > Option "Protocol" "evdev" > Option "Name" "Logitech USB Optical Mouse" > Option "Phys" "usb-*/input0" ########### This must be > updated on boot because input0 changes often. > Option "Device" "/dev/input/event5" ########### This must be updated > on boot because event5 changes often. > Option "Buttons" "8" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Resolution" "1000" > Option "CorePointer" > EndSection > > Thanks for the help. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp Hi again! Did you try to point the Option "Device" to your dev mouse name under /dev/input/by-id/ as i suggested? I got a Microsoft wireless mouse configured with the evdev driver and all 9 buttons work with the settings shown below. I got this files: ls -l /dev/input/by-id/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-06-12 07:50 usb-Microsoft_Comfort_Curve_Keyboard_2000-event-kbd -> ../event2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-06-12 07:50 usb-Microsoft_Microsoft_Wireless_Optical_Mouse_1.00-event-mouse -> ../event1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-06-12 07:50 usb-Microsoft_Microsoft_Wireless_Optical_Mouse_1.00-mouse -> ../mouse1 And in xorg.conf i have this Input device section for the mouse: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "MSWirelessLaserMouse5000" Driver "evdev" Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb-Microsoft_Microsoft_Wireless_Optical_Mouse_1.00-event-mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "False" Option "evBits" "+1-2" Option "keyBits" "~272-287" Option "relBits" "~0-2 ~6 ~8" Option "Pass" "2" # Option "CorePointer" # Option "SendCoreEvents" # Option "Name" "Microsoft Microsoft Wireless Optical Mouse(R) 1.00" # Option "Phys" "usb-0000:00:02.0-1/input0" # Option "vendor" "1118" #"045e" # Option "version" "273" #"0111" # Option "product" "225" #"00e1" EndSection And Xorg.0.log shows this related to that mouse: (**) MSWirelessLaserMouse5000: always reports core events (II) MSWirelessLaserMouse5000: Found 5 relative axes. (II) MSWirelessLaserMouse5000: Configuring as pointer. (II) MSWirelessLaserMouse5000: Found 5 mouse buttons (II) MSWirelessLaserMouse5000: Configured 10 mouse buttons. (II) evaluating device (MSWirelessLaserMouse5000) (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "MSWirelessLaserMouse5000" (type: MOUSE) (**) MSWirelessLaserMouse5000: 4 valuators. (**) MSWirelessLaserMouse5000: Configuring in Absolute mode. (**) MSWirelessLaserMouse5000: Registering 10 buttons. (II) MSWirelessLaserMouse5000: Init (II) MSWirelessLaserMouse5000: On Hope it will help / Jonas From philbieber at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 10:41:48 2008 From: philbieber at gmail.com (Phil Bieber) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:41:48 +0200 Subject: 64 bit question In-Reply-To: References: <48500D4B.5060908@swbell.net> <2759cf860806111049p32be40f7q582e0d51d74656e@mail.gmail.com> <48501636.1020206@swbell.net> <3b27fa9d0806120132j236b011ci44ce77692b0dc175@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b27fa9d0806120341n651b0cf0i3335230a3302cfa2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:02, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/6/12 Phil Bieber : >> Hi! >> I've been running Ubuntu 64 bit for quite a while on Core 2 Duo. >> AMD64 is just a generic name for all 64 Bit processors / technologies out there! >> >> Cheers >> Phil Bieber > > I think it's wrong to say that it's a generic name for all 64 bits > processors. 64 bits CPU:s is not only the latest processors from AMD > and Intel with the x86-64 extension. There are many vendors with other > 64 bits architectures, like PowerPC and Intels Itanium (IA-64), and > they are not supported by the latest Ubuntu AMD64. > > But for the OP question about support for the Intel Dual Core (as > already answered) the Ubuntu AMD64 works fine. > > / Jonas > True, what I ment was "a generic name for all i386 based 64 Bit CPUs" or something in that general direction :) Thanks for the clarification. Cheers Phil Bieber -- Warnings from the manual for Layer Express v2 (an AutoCAD extension): Written on Page 12 (Blank page separating Ch. 1 & 2): To reduce the risk of shock, Do not remove the cover of this book. No serviceable components inside. GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber): 0x0185E301 FINGERPRINT: CA81 28C2 E63F DAF8 5ED4 DACB 7C26 EE5B 0185 E301 Phil Bieber - philbieber at gmail.com GPG KEY ID (Philipp Bieber Work): 0x3E43576A FINGERPRINT: F043 92A1 2A2C 5256 52A9 DECB A39F B04C 3E43 576A Philipp Bieber - philipp.bieber at gundlach.de From slewin at bmts.com Thu Jun 12 12:19:10 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:19:10 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite Message-ID: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> Hi, as a home user I use a spread sheet and word processor on occasion, but when I use them I only need the most common features. Using open office feels like using a Ferrari when all I need is a Echo. Does anybody know of a good, lighter, spreadsheet and word processor program out there. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From mlsoft at videotron.ca Thu Jun 12 13:09:36 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:09:36 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806120909.36838.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Thursday 12 June 2008 08:19:10 Scott wrote: > Hi, > > as a home user I use a spread sheet and word processor on occasion, but > when I use them I only need the most common features. Using open office > feels like using a Ferrari when all I need is a Echo. Does anybody know > of a good, lighter, spreadsheet and word processor program out there. > > -- > Your friend, > Scott > > Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 > Use Koffice, It is lightweight and fast. It has all abilities to do standard stuff in documents and spreadsheet. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 From slewin at bmts.com Thu Jun 12 14:12:36 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:12:36 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <200806120909.36838.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806120909.36838.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <48512ED4.3030403@bmts.com> Martin Laberge wrote: > Use Koffice, It is lightweight and fast. Thank you, I'm going to give it a try. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jun 12 14:42:26 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:42:26 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806121042.35136.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 12 June 2008 8:19:10 am Scott wrote: > Hi, > > as a home user I use a spread sheet and word processor on occasion, but > when I use them I only need the most common features. Using open office > feels like using a Ferrari when all I need is a Echo. Does anybody know > of a good, lighter, spreadsheet and word processor program out there. > Abiword & Gnumeric. I don't particularly like the former, but if it is light and compatible that you are after, abiword is your friend. I love gnumeric. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 19:31:10 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:31:10 +0300 Subject: i hate nvidia drivers Message-ID: <4851797E.7090907@gmail.com> back in feisty and gutsy, i always ran into problems using nVidia problems, and ending up with a lot of weirdeties, so on hardy, i sticked to the driver supplied in the repos, and didnt use the one from nVidia's website, it was working fine, actually it was working perfectly! but some sort of stupidity hit me today and i decided to install the one from nVidia's website! BAD DECISION! after reboot it complained about some "displayconfig-gtk" package needed, so i went to console and installed it, then it complained about hardware not recognised and i need to edit my settings, i edited them, X runs, but... nvidia settings will complain that the nvidia driver is not used, so i run "nvidia-xconfig" which stores the info about the driver in xorg.conf, and i end up with "displayconfig-gtk" complaining about a not detected hardware! if i configure anything, xorg.conf gets edited, and "nvidia-settings" won't be happy, so i got stuck. i restored a backup xorg.conf (after uninstalling the nVidia driver), and thought i was done! alas, i was wrong again, the restricted driver manager is showing me nvidia driver unticked, so i ticked it, and restart X, to get nothing! somewhere some file got edited and was not restored.but after the gutsy problems, i learned my lesson, i had a whole system backup just before the driver install, so now while i am writing this message, tar is digging through the hard drive restoring my files back, hopefully, everything will return to it's previous state, and taking a mental note to never install nvidia's driver till at least kubuntu 10.xx :P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 20:02:12 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:02:12 -0400 Subject: i hate nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <4851797E.7090907@gmail.com> References: <4851797E.7090907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860806121302r7c6e2d48u1883b42693f4a387@mail.gmail.com> If it makes you feel any better, I'm never able to get my setup working with the nvidia-settings package either. I have a twinview setup on 2 21" CRT and I cannot ever get nvidia-settings to set the resolution any higher than 1024x768 even though I know they support 1600x1200. I ended up going through the gentoo-wiki.com twinview sections and crafting my xorg.conf mostly by hand and keeping it backed up in case of reinstall. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > back in feisty and gutsy, i always ran into problems using nVidia > problems, and ending up with a lot of weirdeties, so on hardy, i > sticked to the driver supplied in the repos, and didnt use the one from > nVidia's website, it was working fine, actually it was working > perfectly! but some sort of stupidity hit me today and i decided to > install the one from nVidia's website! BAD DECISION! after reboot it > complained about some "displayconfig-gtk" package needed, so i went to > console and installed it, then it complained about hardware not > recognised and i need to edit my settings, i edited them, X runs, but... > nvidia settings will complain that the nvidia driver is not used, so i > run "nvidia-xconfig" which stores the info about the driver in > xorg.conf, and i end up with "displayconfig-gtk" complaining about a not > detected hardware! if i configure anything, xorg.conf gets edited, and > "nvidia-settings" won't be happy, so i got stuck. i restored a backup > xorg.conf (after uninstalling the nVidia driver), and thought i was > done! alas, i was wrong again, the restricted driver manager is showing > me nvidia driver unticked, so i ticked it, and restart X, to get > nothing! somewhere some file got edited and was not restored.but after > the gutsy problems, i learned my lesson, i had a whole system backup > just before the driver install, so now while i am writing this message, > tar is digging through the hard drive restoring my files back, > hopefully, everything will return to it's previous state, and taking a > mental note to never install nvidia's driver till at least kubuntu 10.xx :P > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 20:21:08 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:21:08 +0200 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <200806121042.35136.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806121042.35136.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: If you only use it for your own stuff go with the advice given but if you trade with others with MS computers then Open Office has worked best for me. And yes it is a pig but a good pig. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slewin at bmts.com Thu Jun 12 20:31:47 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:31:47 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806121042.35136.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <485187B3.7040101@bmts.com> Knapp wrote: > If you only use it for your own stuff go with the advice given but if > you trade with others with MS computers then Open Office has worked best > for me. And yes it is a pig but a good pig. Most of the time I create documents for my own use, but for the few times I do create documents for others to see I simply give them the Oasis format, it is a standard after all. :) Can't the Gnome office and Koffice both open MS formats? I ask this because I am much more likely to open MS documents than to give out documents to others. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Jun 12 20:38:39 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:38:39 -0400 Subject: i hate nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <4851797E.7090907@gmail.com> References: <4851797E.7090907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806121638.39676.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 12 June 2008, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > back in feisty and gutsy, i always ran into problems using nVidia > problems, and ending up with a lot of weirdeties, so on hardy, i > sticked to the driver supplied in the repos, and didnt use the one from > nVidia's website, it was working fine, actually it was working > perfectly! but some sort of stupidity hit me today and i decided to > install the one from nVidia's website! BAD DECISION! after reboot it > complained about some "displayconfig-gtk" package needed, so i went to > console and installed it, then it complained about hardware not > recognised and i need to edit my settings, i edited them, X runs, but... > nvidia settings will complain that the nvidia driver is not used, so i > run "nvidia-xconfig" which stores the info about the driver in > xorg.conf, and i end up with "displayconfig-gtk" complaining about a not > detected hardware! if i configure anything, xorg.conf gets edited, and > "nvidia-settings" won't be happy, so i got stuck. i restored a backup > xorg.conf (after uninstalling the nVidia driver), and thought i was > done! alas, i was wrong again, the restricted driver manager is showing > me nvidia driver unticked, so i ticked it, and restart X, to get > nothing! somewhere some file got edited and was not restored.but after > the gutsy problems, i learned my lesson, i had a whole system backup > just before the driver install, so now while i am writing this message, > tar is digging through the hard drive restoring my files back, > hopefully, everything will return to it's previous state, and taking a > mental note to never install nvidia's driver till at least kubuntu 10.xx :P I understand that it didn't work for you, but I have the proprietary driver on several machines and have never had a lick of problems... but I have had problems with the ones that are provided with the system. Just providing the other side of the coin. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Jun 12 20:40:18 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:40:18 -0400 Subject: i hate nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <2759cf860806121302r7c6e2d48u1883b42693f4a387@mail.gmail.com> References: <4851797E.7090907@gmail.com> <2759cf860806121302r7c6e2d48u1883b42693f4a387@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806121640.18153.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 12 June 2008, Jared Greenwald wrote: > If it makes you feel any better, I'm never able to get my setup > working with the nvidia-settings package either.  I have a twinview > setup on 2 21" CRT and I cannot ever get nvidia-settings to set the > resolution any higher than 1024x768 even though I know they support > 1600x1200.  I ended up going through the gentoo-wiki.com twinview > sections and crafting my xorg.conf mostly by hand and keeping it > backed up in case of reinstall. Are you sure your NV card has enough memory to support two monitors at the higher resolution? I have a 1920x1400 monitor but the card I have won't do better than 166x1200 From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 20:43:09 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:43:09 +0200 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <485187B3.7040101@bmts.com> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806121042.35136.art.alexion@verizon.net> <485187B3.7040101@bmts.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Scott wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > If you only use it for your own stuff go with the advice given but if > > you trade with others with MS computers then Open Office has worked best > > for me. And yes it is a pig but a good pig. > Most of the time I create documents for my own use, but for the few > times I do create documents for others to see I simply give them the > Oasis format, it is a standard after all. :) > > Can't the Gnome office and Koffice both open MS formats? I ask this > because I am much more likely to open MS documents than to give out > documents to others. > > -- > Your friend, > Scott > Results vary, MS has a lot of formats and also it depends on what is in the doc and what version of the linux software you are using too. I have all three installed. If one does not do it, I try the next before I waste a bunch of time reformatting. So far OO is the strongest. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 20:45:13 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:45:13 +0100 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <485187B3.7040101@bmts.com> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <485187B3.7040101@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806122145.13642.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Thursday 12 June 2008 21:31:47 Scott wrote: > Can't the Gnome office and Koffice both open MS formats? Don't know about Gnome office, but Koffice certainly can. (Tho' probably not .docx.) HTH Lisi From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar Thu Jun 12 20:50:40 2008 From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L. Berdaguer) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:50:40 -0300 Subject: i hate nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <200806121638.39676.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <4851797E.7090907@gmail.com> <200806121638.39676.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200806121750.40955.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> I'm using nvidia propietary driver too... but I use the one from the repository. I too have those problems with the package downloaded from nvidia's site. If you have the package from nvidia working, could you please tell us how did you manage that? Are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu? Did you have to install some extra package? Did you need some special configuration? Thanks El Thursday 12 June 2008 17:38:39 Bruce Marshall escribió: > On Thursday 12 June 2008, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > back in feisty and gutsy, i always ran into problems using nVidia > > problems, and ending up with a lot of weirdeties, so on hardy, i > > sticked to the driver supplied in the repos, and didnt use the one from > > nVidia's website, it was working fine, actually it was working > > perfectly! but some sort of stupidity hit me today and i decided to > > install the one from nVidia's website! BAD DECISION! after reboot it > > complained about some "displayconfig-gtk" package needed, so i went to > > console and installed it, then it complained about hardware not > > recognised and i need to edit my settings, i edited them, X runs, but... > > nvidia settings will complain that the nvidia driver is not used, so i > > run "nvidia-xconfig" which stores the info about the driver in > > xorg.conf, and i end up with "displayconfig-gtk" complaining about a not > > detected hardware! if i configure anything, xorg.conf gets edited, and > > "nvidia-settings" won't be happy, so i got stuck. i restored a backup > > xorg.conf (after uninstalling the nVidia driver), and thought i was > > done! alas, i was wrong again, the restricted driver manager is showing > > me nvidia driver unticked, so i ticked it, and restart X, to get > > nothing! somewhere some file got edited and was not restored.but after > > the gutsy problems, i learned my lesson, i had a whole system backup > > just before the driver install, so now while i am writing this message, > > tar is digging through the hard drive restoring my files back, > > hopefully, everything will return to it's previous state, and taking a > > mental note to never install nvidia's driver till at least kubuntu 10.xx > > :P > > I understand that it didn't work for you, but I have the proprietary > driver on several machines and have never had a lick of problems... but I > have had problems with the ones that are provided with the system. > > Just providing the other side of the coin. From slewin at bmts.com Thu Jun 12 20:54:05 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:54:05 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <200806122145.13642.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <485187B3.7040101@bmts.com> <200806122145.13642.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48518CED.7070705@bmts.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 12 June 2008 21:31:47 Scott wrote: >> Can't the Gnome office and Koffice both open MS formats? > > Don't know about Gnome office, but Koffice certainly can. (Tho' probably > not .docx.) I don't think Open Office can open the newest MS format, and I read somewhere, maybe slashdot, that Open Office will not be able to until version 3. I'm going to give Koffice a try, it looks really nice. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Jun 12 21:06:57 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:06:57 -0400 Subject: i hate nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <200806121750.40955.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> References: <4851797E.7090907@gmail.com> <200806121638.39676.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200806121750.40955.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <200806121706.57791.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 12 June 2008, Pablo L. Berdaguer wrote: > I'm using nvidia propietary driver too... but I use the one from the > repository. I too have those problems with the package downloaded from > nvidia's site. > If you have the package from nvidia working, could you please tell us how > did you manage that? Are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu? Did you have to > install some extra package? Did you need some special configuration? All I did was to: 1) Kill kdm 2) Download the package and make it runnable 3) Run the package including the compile. 4) I let it check my /etc/xorg.conf over and make a backup of the original 5) THEN: added the following line to /etc/defaults/linux-restricted-modules-common DISABLED_MODULES="nv" Rebooted and made some final tweaks in the NVidia X server Settings program From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 21:11:02 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:11:02 +0300 Subject: i hate nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <200806121750.40955.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> References: <4851797E.7090907@gmail.com> <200806121638.39676.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200806121750.40955.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <485190E6.6010403@gmail.com> i got the system restored, it's all back fine, using the properietary driver from the repos. the only time i remember that i got a working nvidia setting other than using the repos, was using "envy", and that was on feisty, but some people on IRC advised me not to use it as it can create other problems, i was new to linux back then and took their advice. does anyone on the list use envy? is it reliable? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anybody know of a good, lighter, spreadsheet and word > processor program out there. > It always depends on what you mean by "the most common features". The alternative word processors that I have been able to find to OpenOffice Writer are KWord (part of the KOffice suite), Pathetic Writer (part of the Siag Office Suite) and Abiword. KWord uses a text layout system similar to Adobe FrameMaker, in which text is written in frames or in page layout mode. It is similar to the layout systems used in Desk Top Publishing programs without having the complexity of most of those. However, it doesn't have many of the facilities I need easily accessible. Moreover it has no .doc (MS Word) export format and as a university student, I often have to supply electronic copies of documents in electronic .doc format, and these are scanned for plagiarism so have to be near M$ Word compatibility. KWord is the worst of the three for this and depending upon your need for this facility made rule KWord out completely. Abiword is fairly lightweight yet is a full featured word processor in the classic mould. Its menus are intuitive and Abiword has all the facilities I need. Moreover, apart from Open Office Writer, it has the best compatibility with M$ Word .doc format. (I remember the designer being reported to say that the team could reproduce the bugs in Word more easily, some years ago!). Abiword would definitely be my alternative choice as a word processor. Pathetic Writer is as lightweight as you can get for a word processor without it being a glorified editor. Its only capacity for export in M$ Word format is to export in .rtf format...but that might be all you need. Antiword is a separate program you might need to enable Word .doc programs to be converted for import. However, that said, Pathetic Writer has all the major tools for processing text; they just might not be enough for your purpose. Spreadsheets are more problematic. Their mathematical functioning has to produce the same level of accuracy as many other spreadsheets on many platforms. Siag, the spreadsheet in the Siag Office suite is (like Pathetic Writer) ultra lightweight and has a range of facilities not found usually (such as webserver integration) but it depends on what you require. A good place to start looking in Christopher Browne's Linix Spreadsheet Page at: http://cbbrowne.com/info/spreadsheetsfree.html KSpread is the spreadsheet that is part of the KOffice suite and worth a look at, but when looking it up keep in mind what you want it for. There are many other dedicated applications which fulfill the purpose for which I'd use a spreadsheet, so I don't use one. As an example, if all you are going to use it for is to keep track of your bank statements, I'd first suggest you look at Kmymoney2 or Equonomize! But if you need a fully featured spreadsheet, the choice is between OpenOffice Spreadsheet or Gnumeric. Of the two, I recommend Gnumeric. HTH - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFIUaLGthMHx1h/UZYRAvtvAJ9GISC/bnDQ5Vm/CF8rBOZDv3yI/gCfbS5B OQTYjK5N2U9b+xuEVTv88bU= =qogS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From grey at dmiyu.org Thu Jun 12 22:56:22 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <20080612232642.30b2aa73@graham-desktop> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <20080612232642.30b2aa73@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <29323.206.159.183.75.1213311382.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> On Thu, June 12, 2008 3:26 pm, Graham Todd wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:19:10 -0400 > Scott wrote: >> as a home user I use a spread sheet and word processor on >> occasion, but when I use them I only need the most common features. >> Using open office feels like using a Ferrari when all I need is a >> Echo. Does anybody know of a good, lighter, spreadsheet and word >> processor program out there. Sometimes when all the rental place has are Ferrari's and they're renting at Echo rates, why complain? ;) > Abiword is fairly lightweight yet is a full featured word processor in > the classic mould. [ snippage ] > Abiword would definitely be my alternative choice as a word processor. The rest of your advice I either agree with or do not have enough experience to question. However on this one I would want to give one caveat for anyone looking to replace OOo Writer with Abiword. Abiword looks lightweight but it doesn't feel lightweight. I have a modest sized writing project that I have confined to writing on my aged laptop. A Dell Latitude CPx w/256Mb of RAM, a 667Mhz PIII and ~30Gb of HD. Hey, it was lightning fast about 10 years ago. Anyway, after getting frustrated with the notion of shutting everything else down to make room for OOo Writer I played around with other word processors. Abiword came highly recommended and it was the first I tried. On my project which, at the time, was all of ~26 pages, Abiword took longer to update the screen, lagged behind my typing and crashed at least once. This was just with basic edits in prose. No fancy formatting other than indent-first-line and some italics. IE, about what I am using to write this email presently. I found it unworkable. On the other hand it loads faster than OOo Writer and on tiny 1-2 page projects it certainly took up less resources and did not exhibit any of the slowdown shown in the above project. In the end I shifted back to OOo Writer. I may not like it for a variety of reasons but being able to be productive with warts beats pretty and unproductive. ;) -- Steve Lamb From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Thu Jun 12 23:23:49 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:23:49 -0700 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <48518CED.7070705@bmts.com> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806122145.13642.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48518CED.7070705@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806121623.49129.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday 12 June 2008 01:54:05 pm Scott wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 12 June 2008 21:31:47 Scott wrote: > >> Can't the Gnome office and Koffice both open MS formats? > > > > Don't know about Gnome office, but Koffice certainly can. (Tho' probably > > not .docx.) > > I don't think Open Office can open the newest MS format, and I read > somewhere, maybe slashdot, that Open Office will not be able to until > version 3. I'm not sure that is the case as I have had to convert older MS Office documents to a format Vista Office can read for several business friends in town! Yes, Vista Office can't read MickeySoft's own older documents! It was supposed to be fixed in the latest service pack but, ...I think "service pack" must mean something else in MS jargon! Two of my friends can now no longer get their "Vista certified" printers recognized! They both had to upgrade their printers when Vista came out so they could have a printer but they now no longer work! HP's and the non working driver download is said to be huge! I don't do windoze! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From quintus.aurellius.maximus at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 02:46:52 2008 From: quintus.aurellius.maximus at gmail.com (George Hall) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:46:52 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <200806121623.49129.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806122145.13642.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <48518CED.7070705@bmts.com> <200806121623.49129.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: That is weird because I always looked at ms office and open office as mopeds and been thinking of writing my own word processor to do what I need to do. George On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Pastor JW wrote: > On Thursday 12 June 2008 01:54:05 pm Scott wrote: > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Thursday 12 June 2008 21:31:47 Scott wrote: > > >> Can't the Gnome office and Koffice both open MS formats? > > > > > > Don't know about Gnome office, but Koffice certainly can. (Tho' > probably > > > not .docx.) > > > > I don't think Open Office can open the newest MS format, and I read > > somewhere, maybe slashdot, that Open Office will not be able to until > > version 3. > > I'm not sure that is the case as I have had to convert older MS Office > documents to a format Vista Office can read for several business friends in > town! Yes, Vista Office can't read MickeySoft's own older documents! It > was > supposed to be fixed in the latest service pack but, ...I think "service > pack" must mean something else in MS jargon! Two of my friends can now no > longer get their "Vista certified" printers recognized! They both had to > upgrade their printers when Vista came out so they could have a printer but > they now no longer work! HP's and the non working driver download is said > to > be huge! 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URL: From dhcolesj at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 02:57:36 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:57:36 -0500 Subject: i hate nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <485190E6.6010403@gmail.com> References: <4851797E.7090907@gmail.com> <200806121750.40955.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <485190E6.6010403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806122157.36696.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Thursday 12 June 2008 04:11:02 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i got the system restored, it's all back fine, using the properietary > driver from the repos. the only time i remember that i got a working > nvidia setting other than using the repos, was using "envy", and that > was on feisty, but some people on IRC advised me not to use it as it can > create other problems, i was new to linux back then and took their > advice. does anyone on the list use envy? is it reliable? I use it, and I'm not sure what other problems it would cause that using the restricted driver would not also cause. I think if you enable universe in Hardy (8.04) you can install it from there. its called envyng now. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 07:12:11 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:12:11 +0200 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/12 Scott : > Hi, > > as a home user I use a spread sheet and word processor on occasion, but > when I use them I only need the most common features. Using open office > feels like using a Ferrari when all I need is a Echo. Does anybody know > of a good, lighter, spreadsheet and word processor program out there. > > -- > Your friend, > Scott > Hi! You also got IBM Lotus Symphony. Perhaps it's to overkill and bloated for you but it looks OK. It's available in many language and for both Windows and Linux. You can find it at http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa / Jonas From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 08:20:36 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:20:36 +0200 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/6/12 Scott : > > Hi, > > > > as a home user I use a spread sheet and word processor on > occasion, but > > when I use them I only need the most common features. Using open office > > feels like using a Ferrari when all I need is a Echo. Does anybody know > > of a good, lighter, spreadsheet and word processor program out there. > > > > -- > > Your friend, > > Scott > > > > Hi! > > You also got IBM Lotus Symphony. Perhaps it's to overkill and bloated > for you but it looks OK. It's available in many language and for both > Windows and Linux. You can find it at > http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa > > / Jonas > And stuff like Celtx for play/scrip/movie writing or you could, if you just write text check into Vim, Emac, Kate or maybe Scribus if you are writing and want to send PDFs. I think in many ways PDF is a good way around these problems. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pandarsson at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 11:26:56 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:26:56 -0500 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806130626.57348.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Friday 13 June 2008 2:12:11 Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/6/12 Scott : > > Hi, > > > > as a home user I use a spread sheet and word processor on > > occasion, but when I use them I only need the most common features. > > Using open office feels like using a Ferrari when all I need is a Echo. > > Does anybody know of a good, lighter, spreadsheet and word processor > > program out there. > > > > -- > > Your friend, > > Scott > > Hi! > > You also got IBM Lotus Symphony. Perhaps it's to overkill and bloated > for you but it looks OK. It's available in many language and for both > Windows and Linux. You can find it at > http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa > > / Jonas Okay, so let me be the jerk who mentions the commercial product. I did the trial of Textmaker from Softmaker on my desktop machine and was really super impressed. Much more impressed than with Kword and Abiword. And it ran pretty speedily on my machine with its AMD Duron 700 mhz processor - I know, I really ought to update the hardware. If I weren't perfectly happy with OpenOffice, I would definitely fork over the 69 pounds they charge for their "office suite" (it's just a word processor and spreadsheet). Though I might wait to see if and when they port their 2008 version (it comes with presentation software). They brag pretty mightily about their MS Office compatibility - including the newest Word formats. I can't vouch for that, except to say that I never had any trouble opening a Word document. So if you're not opposed to supporting commercial software, download the trial and check it out. http://www.softmaker.com/english/ofldemo_en.htm From troncoso at mundo-r.com Fri Jun 13 11:33:36 2008 From: troncoso at mundo-r.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9_Troncoso?=) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:33:36 +0200 Subject: Keyboard shortcut to open new KDE4 start menu Message-ID: <200806131333.36707.troncoso@mundo-r.com> I quite like KickOff, the new KDE4 start menu, especially the search feature: typing the name of an application is faster than finding it on a hierarchical menu. However, I think it could be even faster if there was a keyboard shortcut to open the menu, so that both opening the menu and typing the app's name could be done without taking your hands off the keyboard. Unfortunately, I've searched through the system settings and found no way of configuring such a keyboard shortcut. Does anyone know how to do it? -- José A. Fernández Troncoso http://www.troncoso.info Linux User #454805 * No me envíen correo HTML * From alain.muls at telenet.be Fri Jun 13 13:26:42 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:26:42 +0200 Subject: KDE4.1 Message-ID: <48527592.3060907@telenet.be> Hi kubuntu-users When will kubuntu prepare the 4.1 version of KDE? Bye/Alain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: alain_muls.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 242 bytes Desc: not available URL: From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Fri Jun 13 13:31:40 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:31:40 +0200 Subject: KDE4.1 In-Reply-To: <48527592.3060907@telenet.be> References: <48527592.3060907@telenet.be> Message-ID: Hi Alain, On 13/06/2008, Alain Muls wrote: > Hi kubuntu-users > > When will kubuntu prepare the 4.1 version of KDE? You can have a first beta through the repos. Follow the instructions on this link: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.1beta1.php Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 14:12:14 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:12:14 +0300 Subject: Firefox 3: native KDE file picker? Message-ID: <880dece00806130712p11d68f07r94f2d04b8ffead95@mail.gmail.com> In previous versions of Firefox it was possible to use the KDE file picker with saving downloads or opening local files. The configuration consisted of editing a file in the profile folder (Phoenix/Fx1) or an about:config entry (Fx2). How is this configured in Fx3? Thanks in advance. Using Kubuntu 8.04, by the way. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jun 13 14:22:38 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:22:38 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows Message-ID: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> Has anyone tried the new feature to install within Windows? My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate to do anything while it's in warranty, I also thought about buying a new hard drive and installing Kubuntu on it and taking out the original drive in case I need to have warranty service. I can always pop in the original hard drive if I have to send it in. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 14:26:46 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:26:46 +0200 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> Message-ID: <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > Has anyone tried the new feature to install within Windows? not me > My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate to do > anything while it's in warranty, I also thought about buying a new hard > drive and installing Kubuntu on it and taking out the original drive in > case I need to have warranty service. I can always pop in the original > hard drive if I have to send it in. hm, something tells me that would void any warranty on Earth, opening the laptop yourself etc? Sinclair From fmartincich at bostream.nu Fri Jun 13 14:28:03 2008 From: fmartincich at bostream.nu (fmartincich) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:28:03 +0100 Subject: 8.04 in Windows Message-ID: <485283f3.187f0.16838@bostream.nu> I would go with the later ide.. replacing the drive if your warrenty is locked too if windows is installed or not. /F > Has anyone tried the new feature to install within > Windows? > > My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate > to do > anything while it's in warranty, I also thought about > buying a new hard > drive and installing Kubuntu on it and taking out the > original drive in > case I need to have warranty service. I can always pop in > the original > hard drive if I have to send it in. > > -- > Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From turgon at mike-leone.com Fri Jun 13 14:30:21 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:30:21 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > Has anyone tried the new feature to install within Windows? > > My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate to do > anything while it's in warranty, No need to justify what you do with your own computers. If you want to run Kubuntu in Windows, have fun. I haven't done it, but others have, and the reviews I read indicate it works just fine. If you want to run solely Windows on your laptop, go ahead. Do whatever works best for you. Regardless of how it appears sometimes, it's not like you *have* to choose one or the other - that Windows is the enemy or something. I use both, voluntarily, because each does some things better than the other. As they say, the right tool for the job. Let us know how it works under Windows. -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From dhcolesj at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 14:39:25 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:39:25 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: Neither is correct. The hardware warranty is not based on the OS installed, that is with any vendor I've worked with. I've had Linux installed on my machines since 2000. (Dell, HP, Clone, and IBM boxes) However, I would maintain a small Windows install for call in tech support. Because they're going to say "we don't support Linux" if you don't. As for swapping out hard drives, as long as the Hard drive you put in is compatible with the system, the only thing your original laptop warranty will not cover is that new hard drive. Now, if you try to stick a drive in that physically doesn't fit, and you try to force it and break something, you're on your own. But, I'm assuming both of you are smart enough not to do that. :-D, (considering you are using Linux [wise choice] and making enough to buy new laptops). On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:26 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > > Has anyone tried the new feature to install within Windows? > not me > > > My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate to do > > anything while it's in warranty, I also thought about buying a new hard > > drive and installing Kubuntu on it and taking out the original drive in > > case I need to have warranty service. I can always pop in the original > > hard drive if I have to send it in. > hm, something tells me that would void any warranty on Earth, opening > the laptop yourself etc? > > Sinclair > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charioteer7 at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 15:05:44 2008 From: charioteer7 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Bays) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:05:44 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> Message-ID: <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> Billie: Why not just use the new WUBI installer which puts Kubuntu in a Windows directory, and can be uninstalled in Windows Software install/uninstall just like any other Windows application. Performance might be slightly less, but you will have no problems with warranty. go to: http://wubi-installer.org/ Cheers, geoffrey On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > Has anyone tried the new feature to install within Windows? > > My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate to do > anything while it's in warranty, I also thought about buying a new hard > drive and installing Kubuntu on it and taking out the original drive in > case I need to have warranty service. I can always pop in the original > hard drive if I have to send it in. > > -- > Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jun 13 15:13:21 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:13:21 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48528E91.3000507@swbell.net> O. Sinclair wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Has anyone tried the new feature to install within Windows? >> > not me > > >> My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate to do >> anything while it's in warranty, I also thought about buying a new hard >> drive and installing Kubuntu on it and taking out the original drive in >> case I need to have warranty service. I can always pop in the original >> hard drive if I have to send it in. >> > hm, something tells me that would void any warranty on Earth, opening > the laptop yourself etc? > > Sinclair > > > If they don't "know" I popped in a new hard drive........................... -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Fri Jun 13 15:25:53 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:25:53 +0100 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <48528E91.3000507@swbell.net> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> <48528E91.3000507@swbell.net> Message-ID: <48529181.8010901@yahoo.it> Billie Walsh wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Billie Walsh wrote: >> >>> Has anyone tried the new feature to install within Windows? >>> >> not me >> >> >>> My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate to do >>> anything while it's in warranty, I also thought about buying a new hard >>> drive and installing Kubuntu on it and taking out the original drive in >>> case I need to have warranty service. I can always pop in the original >>> hard drive if I have to send it in. >>> >> hm, something tells me that would void any warranty on Earth, opening >> the laptop yourself etc? >> >> Sinclair >> >> >> > If they don't "know" I popped in a new hard drive........................... > if you have the rescue cds/dvds you can restore the current drive to the original state (cheaper than buying another hard drive). Or make an image of the disk... also, usually the screws are painted blue or sealed in some way; if you pop in a replacement it's easy the case that they can spot it... I. From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 15:27:02 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:27:02 +0100 Subject: Keyboard shortcut to open new KDE4 start menu In-Reply-To: <200806131333.36707.troncoso@mundo-r.com> References: <200806131333.36707.troncoso@mundo-r.com> Message-ID: <200806131627.02337.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Friday 13 June 2008 12:33:36 José Troncoso wrote: > I quite like KickOff, the new KDE4 start menu, especially the search > feature: typing the name of an application is faster than finding it on a > hierarchical menu. However, I think it could be even faster if there was a > keyboard shortcut to open the menu, so that both opening the menu and > typing the app's name could be done without taking your hands off the > keyboard. > > Unfortunately, I've searched through the system settings and found no way > of configuring such a keyboard shortcut. Does anyone know how to do it? So, on top of everything else, Alt F1 doesn't work in KDE 4. I hope that they are intending to put such functionality back. I had better start looking at other desktops/windowmakers for future use when KDE 3.x.x is obsolete, in case they don't. :-( Lisi From turgon at mike-leone.com Fri Jun 13 15:32:35 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:32:35 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:26 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: >> Has anyone tried the new feature to install within Windows? > not me > >> My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate to do >> anything while it's in warranty, I also thought about buying a new hard >> drive and installing Kubuntu on it and taking out the original drive in >> case I need to have warranty service. I can always pop in the original >> hard drive if I have to send it in. > hm, something tells me that would void any warranty on Earth, opening > the laptop yourself etc? You don't have to *open* the laptop itself to replace a hard drive; a hard drive is a user-replacable part. As is memory, and changing PC CARDs. Changing out those parts (or adding those parts, in the case of memory [sometimes]) does not void a warranty. Now, if you were to actually *open* the laptop (i.e., disassemble the case, to get at the motherboard inside), or disassemble the screen, then yes, you'd void the warranty. -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jun 13 15:39:08 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:39:08 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4852949C.5000709@swbell.net> Michael Leone wrote: > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Has anyone tried the new feature to install within Windows? >> >> My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate to do >> anything while it's in warranty, >> > > No need to justify what you do with your own computers. If you want to > run Kubuntu in Windows, have fun. I haven't done it, but others have, > and the reviews I read indicate it works just fine. If you want to run > solely Windows on your laptop, go ahead. Do whatever works best for > you. Regardless of how it appears sometimes, it's not like you *have* > to choose one or the other - that Windows is the enemy or something. I > use both, voluntarily, because each does some things better than the > other. As they say, the right tool for the job. > > Let us know how it works under Windows. > > > Under other conditions I would just load Kubuntu and move on. BUT, if you call in and tell them I don't have Windows they get all testy. If you have to send it in for repairs and have it dual booted..........well............it won't be when you get it back. I went through that with a desktop I bought a couple years ago. They left out the air duct that goes to the CPU fan. They couldn't just send me the duct, I had to send it in for "repair". They were all testy because I had taken out the modem card which I have no need of and they wiped the hard drive and re-installed back to factory original because it was dual booted with Kubuntu. It was no big deal because I was still setting it up and using my other computer for my main box, but it did kind of piss me off a bit. All they needed to do was pop the cover, install the duct, and ship it back but NO they had to play around with it. I would rather not run Kubuntu within Windows, especially Vista, but IF I had to send it in perhaps they wouldn't notice like they would if it's dual booted in a normal fashion. It's strictly a warranty issue for repairs. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From lydia at kde.org Fri Jun 13 15:40:53 2008 From: lydia at kde.org (Lydia Pintscher) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:40:53 +0200 Subject: Keyboard shortcut to open new KDE4 start menu In-Reply-To: <200806131627.02337.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200806131333.36707.troncoso@mundo-r.com> <200806131627.02337.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <938b46780806130840n5fb00fe7nc99f7e38e3695345@mail.gmail.com> > So, on top of everything else, Alt F1 doesn't work in KDE 4. I hope that they > are intending to put such functionality back. I had better start looking at > other desktops/windowmakers for future use when KDE 3.x.x is obsolete, in > case they don't. :-( > > Lisi According to this bugreport it should work: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155347 You may need to set it in your settings though if you had KDE 4.0.x installed before 4.1 And there is always KRunner which is really great in 4.1. You can access it with Alt+F2. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher Amarok community manager kde.org - amarok.kde.org - kubuntu.org claimid.com/nightrose From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jun 13 15:57:18 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:57:18 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <485298DE.7080606@swbell.net> On 06/13/2008 Howard Coles wrote: > Neither is correct. > The hardware warranty is not based on the OS installed, that is with > any vendor I've worked with. I've had Linux installed on my machines > since 2000. (Dell, HP, Clone, and IBM boxes) No, but as I said in another reply, it does make them all testy. > > However, I would maintain a small Windows install for call in tech > support. Because they're going to say "we don't support Linux" if > you don't. > > As for swapping out hard drives, as long as the Hard drive you put in > is compatible with the system, the only thing your original laptop > warranty will not cover is that new hard drive. IF I ever had to send it in for "repair" I would pop the original drive back in. They would never know the difference. > Now, if you try to > stick a drive in that physically doesn't fit, and you try to force it > and break something, you're on your own. But, I'm assuming both of > you are smart enough not to do that. :-D, Aw shucks! You mean I shouldn't instal a new 10,000rpm 3.5 drive. *<[:oD > (considering you are using > Linux [wise choice] and making enough to buy new laptops). Yeah. I'm independently broke and semi-retired. This was a once in a lifetime opportunity to buy a laptop that someone else hadn't left finger prints all over. I love the new laptop, and it seems to be the perfect off-the-shelf laptop for Linux. EVERYTHING works "right out of the box" with no issues. All the right parts installed. I've already tried 8.04 as a live CD and its a treat. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jun 13 15:59:56 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:59:56 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> On 06/13/2008 Geoffrey Bays wrote: > Billie: > > Why not just use the new WUBI installer which puts Kubuntu in a > Windows directory, and can be uninstalled in Windows Software > install/uninstall just like any other Windows application. Performance > might be slightly less, but you will have no problems with warranty. Not my first choice but I was thinking along the same lines. That's what I was wondering if anyone had any experience with it. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From turgon at mike-leone.com Fri Jun 13 16:12:43 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:12:43 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <4852949C.5000709@swbell.net> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <4852949C.5000709@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > because I had taken out the modem card which I have no need of and they > wiped the hard drive and re-installed back to factory original because > it was dual booted with Kubuntu. It wasn't Kubuntu, specifically; they would have done the same if you had 2 versions of Windows installed (which you can do, BTW). Standard procedure is to reformat back to factory state; this way, they know that any continuing problems are not caused by any other OS that they did not personally install. > > I would rather not run Kubuntu within Windows, especially Vista, but IF > I had to send it in perhaps they wouldn't notice like they would if it's > dual booted in a normal fashion. It's strictly a warranty issue for repairs. Well, if Kubuntu runs as just an app in Windows, then they shouldn't notice anything. Unless, of course, they do as above, and set you back to factory install state, which is the only thing they know for certain they are responsible for .... -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From troncoso at mundo-r.com Fri Jun 13 16:20:04 2008 From: troncoso at mundo-r.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9_Troncoso?=) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:20:04 +0200 Subject: Keyboard shortcut to open new KDE4 start menu In-Reply-To: <200806131627.02337.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> References: <200806131333.36707.troncoso@mundo-r.com> <200806131627.02337.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806131820.04835.troncoso@mundo-r.com> On Friday 13 June 2008, Lisi Reisz wrote: > So, on top of everything else, Alt F1 doesn't work in KDE 4.  I hope that > they are intending to put such functionality back.  I had better start > looking at other desktops/windowmakers for future use when KDE 3.x.x is > obsolete, in case they don't. :-( Well, I think I'll stick to KDE4, as I'm enjoying it a lot, I like the new plasmoids and the desktop effects. It's not perfect, of course, but it's just the first release and I hope the bugs will soon be fixed. -- José A. Fernández Troncoso http://www.troncoso.info Linux User #454805 From troncoso at mundo-r.com Fri Jun 13 16:21:57 2008 From: troncoso at mundo-r.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9_Troncoso?=) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:21:57 +0200 Subject: Keyboard shortcut to open new KDE4 start menu In-Reply-To: <938b46780806130840n5fb00fe7nc99f7e38e3695345@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806131333.36707.troncoso@mundo-r.com> <200806131627.02337.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <938b46780806130840n5fb00fe7nc99f7e38e3695345@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806131821.57272.troncoso@mundo-r.com> On Friday 13 June 2008, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > According to this bugreport it should work: > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155347 > You may need to set it in your settings though if you had KDE 4.0.x > installed before 4.1 Thanks for the info. > And there is always KRunner which is really great in 4.1. You can > access it with Alt+F2. Yes, KRunner is great. Still, it would be nice to have a keyboard shortcut for the menu. -- José A. Fernández Troncoso http://www.troncoso.info Linux User #454805 From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jun 13 16:19:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:19:13 -0300 Subject: 8.04 in Windows References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14112519.vdttvWEEAK@cedar.serverforest.com> Howard Coles wrote: Please don't top-post. > Neither is correct. > The hardware warranty is not based on the OS installed, that is with any > vendor I've worked with. I've had Linux installed on my machines since > 2000. (Dell, HP, Clone, and IBM boxes) Rather irrelevant what they _say_, as I've had Dell refuse to honour my warranty precisely because I had Linux installed. > As for swapping out hard drives, as long as the Hard drive you put in is > compatible with the system, the only thing your original laptop warranty > will not cover is that new hard drive. Not necessarily true. At least one Dell I owned had a hardware warranty that explicitly stated that the only internal component I could touch was memory. -- derek From slewin at bmts.com Fri Jun 13 17:08:26 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:08:26 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <14112519.vdttvWEEAK@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <485283A6.5020502@gmail.com> <14112519.vdttvWEEAK@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4852A98A.2030902@bmts.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Rather irrelevant what they _say_, as I've had Dell refuse to honour my > warranty precisely because I had Linux installed. WOW! I am so pleased I did not take the warranty Dell tried to force on me (they tried to charge me for it when I did not ask for it). This is a very good reason why never to purchase any warranty. >> As for swapping out hard drives, as long as the Hard drive you put in is >> compatible with the system, the only thing your original laptop warranty >> will not cover is that new hard drive. > > Not necessarily true. At least one Dell I owned had a hardware warranty > that explicitly stated that the only internal component I could touch was > memory. And yet, another good reason why never to pay for a warranty :). -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From michael at weblore.com Fri Jun 13 17:24:25 2008 From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:24:25 -0500 Subject: Printing Problem with Hardy Message-ID: <200806131224.25673.michael@weblore.com> Last Sunday, I upgraded to Hardy. At that time, my printer (HP Photosmart D5360) was printing correctly. This morning, I tried to run the hp-toolbox to check Ink levels. When I did, I got the error message: error: CUPSEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation. That seemed like there was a problem in the upgrade routine for HPLIP. I then uninstalled and reinstalled HPLIP. At that point, everything was broken. I can no longer print at all. Trying to run hp-toolbox gets the same error. While I can live without hp-toolbox (I'd rather not!), I *DO* need to get my printer going again asap. Can anyone suggest a fix? ---Michael From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Jun 13 17:30:35 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:30:35 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <4852A98A.2030902@bmts.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <14112519.vdttvWEEAK@cedar.serverforest.com> <4852A98A.2030902@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806131330.35370.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 13 June 2008, Scott wrote: >Derek Broughton wrote: >> Rather irrelevant what they _say_, as I've had Dell refuse to honour my >> warranty precisely because I had Linux installed. Circuit City gave me several chorus's of that song and dance when I bought my laptop HP from them nearly 3 years ago now. I bought the warranty, and once it was in my hands, I then informed them that if I had a hardware problem with it, and they refused to service it because it had linux on it (I kept xp on a small partition so they could access their tools) that the next place they would see me was in court. About 4 months later the dvd writer died. They fixed it with a new one, and never said a thing when I had to select windows on it at boot time. The screen and the battery are still in good shape today. They can sing that company song all they want, but they know they haven't a leg to stand on once they walk into the courtroom door. >WOW! I am so pleased I did not take the warranty Dell tried to force on >me (they tried to charge me for it when I did not ask for it). This is >a very good reason why never to purchase any warranty. > >>> As for swapping out hard drives, as long as the Hard drive you put in is >>> compatible with the system, the only thing your original laptop warranty >>> will not cover is that new hard drive. >> >> Not necessarily true. At least one Dell I owned had a hardware warranty >> that explicitly stated that the only internal component I could touch was >> memory. > >And yet, another good reason why never to pay for a warranty :). Mine paid for most of itself when the writer failed. >-- >Your friend, >Scott > >Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Sometimes love ain't nothing but a misunderstanding between two fools. From Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com Fri Jun 13 18:06:35 2008 From: Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com (Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:06:35 -0400 Subject: i hate nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >On Thursday 12 June 2008 04:11:02 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> i got the system restored, it's all back fine, using the properietary >> driver from the repos. the only time i remember that i got a working >> nvidia setting other than using the repos, was using "envy", and that >> was on feisty, but some people on IRC advised me not to use it as it can >> create other problems, i was new to linux back then and took their >> advice. does anyone on the list use envy? is it reliable? > >I use it, and I'm not sure what other problems it would cause that using the >restricted driver would not also cause. > >I think if you enable universe in Hardy (8.04) you can install it from there. >its called envyng now. I've used the drivers from nVidia with Ubuntu 7.10 and had problems too. I finally got it working and then the 8.04 upgrade put me in a world of hurt. When I did a fresh install of Kubuntu I decided to give envy a try. This time I found it in the repros as 'envyng'. I had problems running the GUI version (probably because I didn't remove a couple of things correctly, but hey, I'm still kinda new here). When I ran it from the cli it worked just like it should. I've had no problems at all even after multiple kernel upgrades, started at 2.6.22.16 and last night went to 2.6.22.19 Compiz is running and all the eye candy is working. I think that the envy for 8.04 has had some major improvements and it is stable for me. I recently built my box with all up-to-date components too. Alan Dacey GrokIt on the forums ============================================================================== This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. 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(snip) > All they needed to do was pop the cover, > install the duct, and ship it back but NO they had to play around with it. In my sense it was wery disgraseful. On Friday 13 June 2008 18:12, Michael Leone wrote: > It wasn't Kubuntu, specifically; they would have done the same if you > had 2 versions of Windows installed (which you can do, BTW). Standard > procedure is to reformat back to factory state; this way, they know > that any continuing problems are not caused by any other OS that they > did not personally install. I can understand that the warranty team doesn't have to put up with the new software implementations of all custommers and that the only economic way to test *completely* the machine is with it having the standard setup. OTOH it is absolutely unforgivable that they can take the liberty to "reformat back to factory state" without further notice. (?) This is expecially the case when, as in Billie's case, there was no obvious reason complete hardware or software tests had to be run. Furthermore they could probably have used a live CD for the tests or used the remaining M$ partition. The difference between a standardised sloppy service an a good one may be just a phone call away, this is called involvement. Ask for more from your providers. Perry -- BOFH excuse #320: You've been infected by the Telescoping Hubble virus From slewin at bmts.com Fri Jun 13 18:18:45 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:18:45 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <200806132012.58274.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <4852949C.5000709@swbell.net> <200806132012.58274.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <4852BA05.6020501@bmts.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > The difference between a standardised sloppy service an a good one may be just > a phone call away, this is called involvement. Ask for more from your > providers. For sure. I would never put up with the service people have explained here and I don't think I'm going to purchase another Dell after hearing what I have herd here. Voting with your wallet is the loudest way to show your opinion. :) -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 18:20:00 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:20:00 +0300 Subject: i hate nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4852BA50.4010806@gmail.com> Alan_Dacey at horizonblue.com wrote: >> On Thursday 12 June 2008 04:11:02 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: >>> i got the system restored, it's all back fine, using the properietary >>> driver from the repos. the only time i remember that i got a working >>> nvidia setting other than using the repos, was using "envy", and that >>> was on feisty, but some people on IRC advised me not to use it as it > can >>> create other problems, i was new to linux back then and took their >>> advice. does anyone on the list use envy? is it reliable? >> I use it, and I'm not sure what other problems it would cause that using > the >> restricted driver would not also cause. >> >> I think if you enable universe in Hardy (8.04) you can install it from > there. >> its called envyng now. > > I've used the drivers from nVidia with Ubuntu 7.10 and had problems too. I > finally > got it working and then the 8.04 upgrade put me in a world of hurt. When > I did a > fresh install of Kubuntu I decided to give envy a try. This time I found > it in the > repros as 'envyng'. I had problems running the GUI version (probably > because I didn't > remove a couple of things correctly, but hey, I'm still kinda new here). > When I ran > it from the cli it worked just like it should. I've had no problems at > all even > after multiple kernel upgrades, started at 2.6.22.16 and last night went > to 2.6.22.19 > Compiz is running and all the eye candy is working. I think that the envy > for 8.04 > has had some major improvements and it is stable for me. I recently built > my box > with all up-to-date components too. > > Alan Dacey > GrokIt on the forums > ============================================================================== > This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. 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URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Jun 13 18:45:50 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:45:50 -0300 Subject: 8.04 in Windows References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <14112519.vdttvWEEAK@cedar.serverforest.com> <4852A98A.2030902@bmts.com> <200806131330.35370.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1365343.5TvpIpvXtM@cedar.serverforest.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 13 June 2008, Scott wrote: >>Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Rather irrelevant what they _say_, as I've had Dell refuse to honour my >>> warranty precisely because I had Linux installed. > > Circuit City gave me several chorus's of that song and dance when I bought > my laptop HP from them nearly 3 years ago now. ... > They can sing that company song all they want, but they know they haven't > a leg to stand on once they walk into the courtroom door. Yes, but unfortunately they know that it's rarely worth our time to actually _take_ them to court. In the end, the particular Dell that I spent a year trying to get them to honour a warranty, I ended up spending $18 for an SMC wireless card to replace the internal Intel. >>> Not necessarily true. At least one Dell I owned had a hardware warranty >>> that explicitly stated that the only internal component I could touch >>> was memory. >> >>And yet, another good reason why never to pay for a warranty :). > > Mine paid for most of itself when the writer failed. >> >>Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 Yeah, I really do believe in getting the warranty - but this one (an HP) came from a store where I can return it in person. I won't be buying another Dell where I can only ever talk to somebody in India. -- derek From turgon at mike-leone.com Fri Jun 13 19:26:04 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:26:04 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <200806132012.58274.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <4852949C.5000709@swbell.net> <200806132012.58274.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > > On Friday 13 June 2008 18:12, Michael Leone wrote: >> It wasn't Kubuntu, specifically; they would have done the same if you >> had 2 versions of Windows installed (which you can do, BTW). Standard >> procedure is to reformat back to factory state; this way, they know >> that any continuing problems are not caused by any other OS that they >> did not personally install. > > I can understand that the warranty team doesn't have to put up with the new > software implementations of all custommers and that the only economic way to > test *completely* the machine is with it having the standard setup. > OTOH it is absolutely unforgivable that they can take the liberty to "reformat > back to factory state" without further notice. (?) I don't know that they do it without any notice. It may be stated on the warranty when you buy the system. Additionally, it may (or may not) be mentioned when you schedule the repair. If it isn't mentioned when you schedule the repair, it certainly *should* be. To my way of thinking, not mentioning it is just bad business practices. I don't expect them to go so far as to booth with a live CD, however. I understand and accept that when I buy from a manufacturer who does not explicitly say that they will install and support an OS, that I have to accept the possibility that the machine will come back without that OS. Works the same for data, BTW - you should always backup the data on a machine before sending it off for repair (if you can), because manufacturers can't guarantee that you won't lose something in the repair process. If they did guarantee it, I'm sure the cost of the system or the extended warranty would be really prohibitive. -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From john.j35 at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 19:31:02 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:31:02 -0500 Subject: kde monitor power saving setting Message-ID: Hello list members! I have kubuntu 8.0.4 installed with all updates in place and everytime I reboot the machine the power saving settings in system settings -> monitor and display reverts back to the enabled state. This laptop has an nvidia 6150 go chip and every time the monitor blanks out the screen becomes unusable when it wakes up, forcing a ctrl alt bksp to get back to the login screen. I am curious why the settings would revert back after a reboot. The nvidia 114 series drivers never did this, the 173 drivers do not, but the 169 series which is the current set does it every time. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 19:44:47 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <627999.97422.qm@web58014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> My daughter purchased a new laptop back in January and has had nothing but trouble with Vista. She finally gave up on it and let me install Kubuntu. Everything works except the Bellsouth wireless connection. Their only answer is to install Windows since they refuse to support Linux. It works fine with a direct cat5 cable to the modem, but they insist it has to load their Windows wireless spyware. Is there any way around this? Has anyone got a relatively easy fix for this? Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt From turgon at mike-leone.com Fri Jun 13 20:06:25 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:06:25 -0400 Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <627999.97422.qm@web58014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <627999.97422.qm@web58014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:44 PM, cherryfinals wrote: > My daughter purchased a new laptop back in January and has had nothing > but trouble with Vista. She finally gave up on it and let me install > Kubuntu. > Everything works except the Bellsouth wireless connection. Their only > answer is to install Windows since they refuse to support Linux. > It works fine with a direct cat5 cable to the modem, but they insist it > has to load their Windows wireless spyware. I seriously doubt it is real spyware. :-) > Is there any way around this? > Has anyone got a relatively easy fix for this? So you're saying that you have a Bellsouth provided router? I'm not clear on the connection - the laptop should be making a wireless connection to your wireless router, and the router is the thing that makes the connection to Bellsouth. So you're saying that the router is provided by Bellsouth? Any wireless card should work to talk to any wireless router, providing that they speak the same protocol, or are on the allowed access lists, etc. More details are needed, I think. > > > Stan > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jun 13 20:15:21 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:15:21 +0100 Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <627999.97422.qm@web58014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <627999.97422.qm@web58014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4852D559.2050400@tiscali.co.uk> cherryfinals wrote: > My daughter purchased a new laptop back in January and has had nothing > but trouble with Vista. She finally gave up on it and let me install > Kubuntu. > Everything works except the Bellsouth wireless connection. Their only > answer is to install Windows since they refuse to support Linux. > It works fine with a direct cat5 cable to the modem, but they insist it > has to load their Windows wireless spyware. > Is there any way around this? > Has anyone got a relatively easy fix for this? > > > Stan > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt I don't know if this will help but it's a possibility... Xubuntu rather than Kubuntu, but the solution seems to be desktop independent. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-620893.html -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 20:24:57 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4852D559.2050400@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <491898.11493.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thanks. I just spoke with her and she is going to use a cat5 cable for a few months, until I can get down there on vacation and install NDSwrapper. The problem is that Bellsouth refuses to recognize anything but windows drivers. Stan --- Wulfy wrote: > cherryfinals wrote: > > My daughter purchased a new laptop back in January and has had > nothing > > but trouble with Vista. She finally gave up on it and let me > install > > Kubuntu. > > Everything works except the Bellsouth wireless connection. Their > only > > answer is to install Windows since they refuse to support Linux. > > It works fine with a direct cat5 cable to the modem, but they > insist it > > has to load their Windows wireless spyware. > > Is there any way around this? > > Has anyone got a relatively easy fix for this? > > > > > > Stan > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > > -Ed Howdershelt > > I don't know if this will help but it's a possibility... Xubuntu > rather > than Kubuntu, but the solution seems to be desktop independent. > > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-620893.html > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > > Wulf Credo: > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From mlsoft at videotron.ca Fri Jun 13 20:34:09 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:34:09 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200806131634.09368.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Friday 13 June 2008 10:22:38 Billie Walsh wrote: > Has anyone tried the new feature to install within Windows? > > My reasoning is that I just bought a new laptop and I hate to do > anything while it's in warranty, I also thought about buying a new hard > drive and installing Kubuntu on it and taking out the original drive in > case I need to have warranty service. I can always pop in the original > hard drive if I have to send it in. > > -- > Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. > > I will tell you my personal (!!!) trick... - Boot the Installer CD - At partitionning stage, choose manual, - Schrink your windows partition to about 8Gig (with advanced menu operation if I remember correctly) (Resize to a smaller size) - Use the rest of the disk to create Root (10Gig), Swap(2Gig), and Home(Rest-of-Gigs) partitions. - Install your preferred OS in the New Root Partition (Kubuntu ??) - Wait the time to prepare a coffee, - Reboot, And CHOOSE which OS you like to run now. (In the Grub Boot Menu) (The installer took care of this) - When someone else is not able to work with a computer, without windows deciding for themselves, Reboot and boot them in windows. - Dont waste time explaining Linux to someone who does not ASK for it. - Use your time to Explain to those who ask, this is well placed. (This way the warranty is not void, you did'nt even reinstalled the original windows, you only modified the allocated space for the original system and you did not added an unknown program to their system in fact you can let their system intact and never use it again or use it only to show that the hardware is really broken) Hope it will help. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 From turgon at mike-leone.com Fri Jun 13 20:39:47 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:39:47 -0400 Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <491898.11493.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4852D559.2050400@tiscali.co.uk> <491898.11493.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:24 PM, cherryfinals wrote: > Thanks. > > I just spoke with her and she is going to use a cat5 cable for a few > months, until I can get down there on vacation and install NDSwrapper. > > The problem is that Bellsouth refuses to recognize anything but windows > drivers. So the NIC in question is Bellsouth provided? And they won't let you use any other model, such as one that is easier to use with Linux? > > Stan > > --- Wulfy wrote: > >> cherryfinals wrote: >> > My daughter purchased a new laptop back in January and has had >> nothing >> > but trouble with Vista. She finally gave up on it and let me >> install >> > Kubuntu. >> > Everything works except the Bellsouth wireless connection. Their >> only >> > answer is to install Windows since they refuse to support Linux. >> > It works fine with a direct cat5 cable to the modem, but they >> insist it >> > has to load their Windows wireless spyware. >> > Is there any way around this? >> > Has anyone got a relatively easy fix for this? >> > >> > >> > Stan >> > >> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: >> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >> > -Ed Howdershelt >> >> I don't know if this will help but it's a possibility... Xubuntu >> rather >> than Kubuntu, but the solution seems to be desktop independent. >> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-620893.html >> >> -- >> Blessings >> >> Wulfmann >> >> Wulf Credo: >> Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. >> Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. >> Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. >> Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 20:44:58 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <444985.59455.qm@web58010.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > > I just spoke with her and she is going to use a cat5 cable for a few months, until I can get down there on vacation and install NDSwrapper. > > > > The problem is that Bellsouth refuses to recognize anything but windows drivers. > > So the NIC in question is Bellsouth provided? And they won't let you > use any other model, such as one that is easier to use with Linux? The wireless is built in to the laptop and no, we're not going to be spending money on another wireless card. Stan From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Jun 13 20:55:05 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:55:05 -0700 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <4852BA05.6020501@bmts.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <200806132012.58274.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4852BA05.6020501@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806131355.12113.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Friday 13 June 2008 11:18:45 am Scott wrote: > Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > > The difference between a standardised sloppy service an a good one may be > > just a phone call away, this is called involvement. Ask for more from > > your providers. > > For sure. I would never put up with the service people have explained > here and I don't think I'm going to purchase another Dell after hearing > what I have herd here. Voting with your wallet is the loudest way to > show your opinion. :) Right, but in order to vote with my wallet, what I need first is the list of only those manufacturers which offer factory installed linux machines. How long do you suppose that list is? -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Jun 13 21:30:10 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:30:10 -0700 Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <627999.97422.qm@web58014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <627999.97422.qm@web58014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200806131430.11023.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Friday 13 June 2008 12:44:47 pm cherryfinals wrote: > My daughter purchased a new laptop back in January and has had nothing > but trouble with Vista. She finally gave up on it and let me install > Kubuntu. > Everything works except the Bellsouth wireless connection. Their only > answer is to install Windows since they refuse to support Linux. > It works fine with a direct cat5 cable to the modem, but they insist it > has to load their Windows wireless spyware. > Is there any way around this? > Has anyone got a relatively easy fix for this? Which wireless card is in the laptop? Have you tried it downtown at a WiFi hotspot? Who made the BellSouth Modem? ...my Quest modem which also supplies the wireless here, is made by Actiontec but the settings are all done with a browser. Or, one can install a wireless router and enable the wireless on that, also set-up by a browser. A tool I like is WiFi-radar which shows active hotspots and whether they are B or G. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From john.j35 at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 21:39:41 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:39:41 -0500 Subject: Missing dialog option Dolphin Message-ID: Hello list members! My wife and I have to identical laptops, kubuntu 8.0.4 installed with all the updates applied. When, in dolphin, I right click a file and choose open with I have an option to remember the application association. If my wife does the same thing on her machine there is no option to remember the association. Dolphin version is 0.9.2 on kde 3.5.9 Which is the same on both machines. Any help would be appreciated, TIA -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 13 21:44:11 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:44:11 -0400 Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <491898.11493.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <491898.11493.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4852EA2B.3040307@sbcglobal.net> cherryfinals wrote: > Thanks. > > I just spoke with her and she is going to use a cat5 cable for a few > months, until I can get down there on vacation and install NDSwrapper. > > The problem is that Bellsouth refuses to recognize anything but windows > drivers. > > Stan > > --- Wulfy wrote: > > >> cherryfinals wrote: >> >>> My daughter purchased a new laptop back in January and has had >>> >> nothing >> >>> but trouble with Vista. She finally gave up on it and let me >>> >> install >> >>> Kubuntu. >>> Everything works except the Bellsouth wireless connection. Their >>> >> only >> >>> answer is to install Windows since they refuse to support Linux. >>> It works fine with a direct cat5 cable to the modem, but they >>> >> insist it >> >>> has to load their Windows wireless spyware. >>> Is there any way around this? >>> Has anyone got a relatively easy fix for this? >>> >>> >>> Stan >>> >>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: >>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >>> -Ed Howdershelt >>> >> I don't know if this will help but it's a possibility... Xubuntu >> rather >> than Kubuntu, but the solution seems to be desktop independent. >> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-620893.html >> >> -- >> Blessings >> >> Wulfmann >> >> Wulf Credo: >> Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. >> Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. >> Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. >> Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > > > > > > Verizon as far as Dial-Up goes for Linux , it's either $Windows or nothing. I have installed a lot of Dial-up on Linux from a number of different ISP , but on Verizon I failed. I could connect to their server but something had to do with authorization, got no error messages, to give me a Ideal what was going on. From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Fri Jun 13 21:47:49 2008 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:47:49 +0100 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > On 06/13/2008 Geoffrey Bays wrote: >> Billie: >> >> Why not just use the new WUBI installer which puts Kubuntu in a >> Windows directory, and can be uninstalled in Windows Software >> install/uninstall just like any other Windows application. Performance >> might be slightly less, but you will have no problems with warranty. > > Not my first choice but I was thinking along the same lines. That's what > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with it. I have used it from Ubuntu, I trust the Kubuntu version works similarly though. I used it as demonstrations. It is certainly easy to install and even easier to un install. If you are nervous about warranty it is good because the delete is clean, and no changes of partitions or boot sector are used. The native windows boot loader is used. It is slightly less reliable in the longer term I believe because it is underpinned by the windows file system ntfs, and also by the health of the windows installation. If windows is messed up somehow, then you may also loose the kubuntu data because it resides in a folder in Windows. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 Linux user #360648 From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jun 13 21:59:18 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:59:18 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <200806131634.09368.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <200806131634.09368.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <4852EDB6.3020100@swbell.net> On 06/13/2008 Martin Laberge wrote: > I will tell you my personal (!!!) trick... > > - Boot the Installer CD > - At partitionning stage, choose manual, > - Schrink your windows partition to about 8Gig > (with advanced menu operation if I remember correctly) > (Resize to a smaller size) > - Use the rest of the disk to create Root (10Gig), > Swap(2Gig), and Home(Rest-of-Gigs) partitions. > - Install your preferred OS in the New Root Partition (Kubuntu ??) > - Wait the time to prepare a coffee, > - Reboot, And CHOOSE which OS you like to run now. (In the Grub Boot > Menu) > (The installer took care of this) > - When someone else is not able to work with a computer, without > windows deciding for themselves, Reboot and boot them in windows. > - Dont waste time explaining Linux to someone who does not ASK for it. > - Use your time to Explain to those who ask, this is well placed. > > (This way the warranty is not void, > you did'nt even reinstalled the original windows, > you only modified the allocated space for the original system > and you did not added an unknown program to their system > in fact you can let their system intact and never use it again > or use it only to show that the hardware is really broken) > > Hope it will help. > > -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 That would be my normal mode also. Thing is if you send it back and they try to boot it up they immediately wipe the drive when they see the Grub boot menu. Everything you have is GONE. Running Kubuntu within Windows MIGHT hide it enough to save anything you've done. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From dlouhy at charter.net Fri Jun 13 22:34:17 2008 From: dlouhy at charter.net (Jonathan Dlouhy) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:34:17 -0400 Subject: Missing dialog option Dolphin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4852F5E9.7020404@charter.net> John, right-click on the file or program in question, click "properties", then "open with", and pick the program you want. Cheers, -- Jonathan Dlouhy ============ "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."--George W. Bush John Pierce wrote: > Hello list members! > > My wife and I have to identical laptops, kubuntu 8.0.4 installed with > all the updates applied. > > When, in dolphin, I right click a file and choose open with I have an > option to remember the application association. > > If my wife does the same thing on her machine there is no option to > remember the association. > > Dolphin version is 0.9.2 on kde 3.5.9 > > Which is the same on both machines. > > Any help would be appreciated, TIA > > From james at gray.net.au Fri Jun 13 08:58:49 2008 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:58:49 +1000 Subject: 64 bit question In-Reply-To: <3b27fa9d0806120132j236b011ci44ce77692b0dc175@mail.gmail.com> References: <48500D4B.5060908@swbell.net> <2759cf860806111049p32be40f7q582e0d51d74656e@mail.gmail.com> <48501636.1020206@swbell.net> <3b27fa9d0806120132j236b011ci44ce77692b0dc175@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485236C9.1060707@gray.net.au> Phil Bieber wrote: > Hi! > I've been running Ubuntu 64 bit for quite a while on Core 2 Duo. > AMD64 is just a generic name for all 64 Bit processors / technologies out there! So what about IA64 (aka Itanium), Sparc, PowerPC...the list goes on. AMD64/EM64T are still IA32 instruction sets with some 64bit instructions added on (similar to the addition of MMX etc). If you have an IA32 processor with 64 bit extensions (currently EM64T/AMD64/Core2) you can run the 64 bit edition of Ubuntu. HTH, James From hensandpat at earthlink.net Fri Jun 13 23:36:51 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:36:51 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> Message-ID: <48530493.7090101@earthlink.net> alan c wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > >> On 06/13/2008 Geoffrey Bays wrote: >> >>> Billie: >>> >>> Why not just use the new WUBI installer which puts Kubuntu in a >>> Windows directory, and can be uninstalled in Windows Software >>> install/uninstall just like any other Windows application. Performance >>> might be slightly less, but you will have no problems with warranty. >>> >> Not my first choice but I was thinking along the same lines. That's what >> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with it. >> > > I have used it from Ubuntu, I trust the Kubuntu version works > similarly though. I used it as demonstrations. It is certainly easy to > install and even easier to un install. If you are nervous about > warranty it is good because the delete is clean, and no changes of > partitions or boot sector are used. The native windows boot loader is > used. > > It is slightly less reliable in the longer term I believe because it > is underpinned by the windows file system ntfs, and also by the health > of the windows installation. If windows is messed up somehow, then you > may also loose the kubuntu data because it resides in a folder in Windows. > Hi, where is the Wubi installer to instal Kubuntu within windows? John A From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Jun 13 23:56:18 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:56:18 -0700 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <48530493.7090101@earthlink.net> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> <48530493.7090101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200806131656.18285.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Friday 13 June 2008 04:36:51 pm John Heinen wrote: > > Hi, where is the Wubi installer to instal Kubuntu within windows? John A http://wubi.sourceforge.net/ -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Jun 14 00:19:18 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:19:18 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <48530493.7090101@earthlink.net> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> <48530493.7090101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48530E86.3040700@swbell.net> John Heinen wrote: > alan c wrote: > >> Billie Walsh wrote: >> >> >>> On 06/13/2008 Geoffrey Bays wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Billie: >>>> >>>> Why not just use the new WUBI installer which puts Kubuntu in a >>>> Windows directory, and can be uninstalled in Windows Software >>>> install/uninstall just like any other Windows application. Performance >>>> might be slightly less, but you will have no problems with warranty. >>>> >>>> >>> Not my first choice but I was thinking along the same lines. That's what >>> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with it. >>> >>> >> I have used it from Ubuntu, I trust the Kubuntu version works >> similarly though. I used it as demonstrations. It is certainly easy to >> install and even easier to un install. If you are nervous about >> warranty it is good because the delete is clean, and no changes of >> partitions or boot sector are used. The native windows boot loader is >> used. >> >> It is slightly less reliable in the longer term I believe because it >> is underpinned by the windows file system ntfs, and also by the health >> of the windows installation. If windows is messed up somehow, then you >> may also loose the kubuntu data because it resides in a folder in Windows. >> >> > Hi, where is the Wubi installer to instal Kubuntu within windows? John A > > When I popped the Kubuntu 8.04 disc into a running Windows it popped up a box and asked if that was what I wanted to do. I assume it's on the install CD. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From hensandpat at earthlink.net Sat Jun 14 00:39:46 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:39:46 -0500 Subject: Missing dialog option Dolphin In-Reply-To: <4852F5E9.7020404@charter.net> References: <4852F5E9.7020404@charter.net> Message-ID: <48531352.2070704@earthlink.net> Jonathan Dlouhy wrote: > John, right-click on the file or program in question, click > "properties", then "open with", and pick the program you want. > > Cheers, > -- > Jonathan Dlouhy > ============ > "The problem with the French is that they don't have > a word for entrepreneur."--George W. Bush > > > John Pierce wrote: > >> Hello list members! >> >> My wife and I have to identical laptops, kubuntu 8.0.4 installed with >> all the updates applied. >> >> When, in dolphin, I right click a file and choose open with I have an >> option to remember the application association. >> >> If my wife does the same thing on her machine there is no option to >> remember the association. >> >> Dolphin version is 0.9.2 on kde 3.5.9 >> >> Which is the same on both machines. >> >> Any help would be appreciated, TIA >> >> >> > > > Thank you. John H From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Sat Jun 14 00:31:57 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:31:57 -0700 Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <491898.11493.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <491898.11493.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200806131731.57600.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Stan This is not so much a technical how-to as it is a broad overview of how I made this work. I had Kubuntu setup to work just fine with Bellsouth DSLL Fast Access Light for over a year. I used Kubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake all the way up to 7.04 Feisty Fawn. Bell South provided me with a Westell DSL modem. I plugged this into one of the regular ports of WRT54G wireless router via a Cat-5 cable. At that point it was only a matter of setting up a wireless connection--all the standard Linux tools at my disposal had no problems dealing with this arrangement. I required NDIS wrapper, not because of the DSL modem or Bellsouth, but because the Broadcomm wireless card on my laptop--at the time of kubuntu 6.06 through 7.10--did not have a good driver support. Larry On Friday 13 June 2008 01:24:57 pm cherryfinals wrote: > Thanks. > > I just spoke with her and she is going to use a cat5 cable for a few > months, until I can get down there on vacation and install NDSwrapper. > > The problem is that Bellsouth refuses to recognize anything but windows > drivers. > > Stan > > --- Wulfy wrote: > > cherryfinals wrote: > > > My daughter purchased a new laptop back in January and has had > > > > nothing > > > > > but trouble with Vista. She finally gave up on it and let me > > > > install > > > > > Kubuntu. > > > Everything works except the Bellsouth wireless connection. Their > > > > only > > > > > answer is to install Windows since they refuse to support Linux. > > > It works fine with a direct cat5 cable to the modem, but they > > > > insist it > > > > > has to load their Windows wireless spyware. > > > Is there any way around this? > > > Has anyone got a relatively easy fix for this? > > > > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > > > -Ed Howdershelt > > > > I don't know if this will help but it's a possibility... Xubuntu > > rather > > than Kubuntu, but the solution seems to be desktop independent. > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-620893.html > > > > -- > > Blessings > > > > Wulfmann > > > > Wulf Credo: > > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > > Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From turgon at mike-leone.com Sat Jun 14 01:15:14 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:15:14 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> Message-ID: <48531BA2.5030800@mike-leone.com> alan c wrote: > It is slightly less reliable in the longer term I believe because it > is underpinned by the windows file system ntfs, NTFS is a very good filesystem, actually. Robust, journaled, and supports a very wide range of ACLs, multiple data streams, etc. Pretty much anything an advanced Linux filesystem does. It does, however, fragment more. I've had more problems with ReiserFS than with NTFS, actually. There's also VMs (VMware server is free for Windows, too), as well as pre-built images based on Kubuntu. Like any virtualized OS, it won't be as fast as non-virtualized, but you can certainly run it that way; I have. -- Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: People believe in the unseeable, but will not see the unbelievable. -- "Dark Season", Rusell T. Davies From john.j35 at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 03:37:50 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:37:50 -0500 Subject: Missing dialog option Dolphin In-Reply-To: <48531352.2070704@earthlink.net> References: <4852F5E9.7020404@charter.net> <48531352.2070704@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:39 PM, John Heinen wrote: > Jonathan Dlouhy wrote: >> John, right-click on the file or program in question, click >> "properties", then "open with", and pick the program you want. >> >> Cheers, >> -- >> Jonathan Dlouhy >> ============ >> "The problem with the French is that they don't have >> a word for entrepreneur."--George W. Bush >> >> >> John Pierce wrote: >> >>> Hello list members! >>> >>> My wife and I have to identical laptops, kubuntu 8.0.4 installed with >>> all the updates applied. >>> >>> When, in dolphin, I right click a file and choose open with I have an >>> option to remember the application association. >>> >>> If my wife does the same thing on her machine there is no option to >>> remember the association. >>> >>> Dolphin version is 0.9.2 on kde 3.5.9 >>> >>> Which is the same on both machines. >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated, TIA >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > Thank you. John H > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I can do that, but the part that is missing is the ability to have dolphin remember the association. I can choose the program, but I have to do that every time I open the same type of file. The dialog is missing the little check box that tells it to remember the association. But it is only missing on the dolphin of my wife computer, not mine. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 10:53:12 2008 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:53:12 +0200 Subject: kde monitor power saving setting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200806141253.12852.tanghus@gmail.com> On Friday 13 June 2008 21:31:02 John Pierce wrote: > Hello list members! > > I have kubuntu 8.0.4 installed with all updates in place and everytime > I reboot the machine the power saving settings in system settings -> > monitor and display reverts > back to the enabled state. This laptop has an nvidia 6150 go chip and > every time the monitor > blanks out the screen becomes unusable when it wakes up, forcing a > ctrl alt bksp to get back to > the login screen. > > I am curious why the settings would revert back after a reboot. > > The nvidia 114 series drivers never did this, the 173 drivers do not, > but the 169 series which is > the current set does it every time. I have almost the same problem with my Dell monitor. I've set it to turn off the monitor after 30 minutes in the "Monitor & Display" settings but it also reverts after reboot and sets it to 5 hours. Where are these settings saved? > -- > John > Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > http://counter.li.org -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com Sat Jun 14 14:24:58 2008 From: tilleyrw at cfl.rr.com (Robert Tilley) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:24:58 -0400 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo Message-ID: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> What are the major obstacles to running a lightning-fast Linux workstation with easy package management? Kubuntu is a dream for ease of installation and application management. This comes at a price. Kubuntu must run on a generic PC with as many drivers as possible. If it can't run on a person's generic machine, they might dump it for another distro. A friend from the local computer store calls Kubuntu/Ubuntu "Windows for the Linux World". It's big and slow but works. His in-store machine runs Gentoo with KDE and is faster than any Linux box I've seen. He has almost all of the eye candy for Compiz installed. If you didn't know for what to look, you'd think it a Macintosh. What are things I can do to optimize Kubuntu? I'm hesitant about taking my box offline for three days to compile a base Gentoo system. There should be simple things (kernel recompile is a first one) to increase the speed of Kubuntu. Hesitant to leave the flock, Thanks, Bob -- Chicken Little was right. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 15:01:24 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:01:24 +0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806140801l31f2a1f0yd90d153fe3150470@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/14 Robert Tilley : > What are things I can do to optimize Kubuntu? I'm hesitant about taking my > box offline for three days to compile a base Gentoo system. There should be > simple things (kernel recompile is a first one) to increase the speed of > Kubuntu. > Add more RAM? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 16:26:51 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:26:51 +0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <880dece00806140801l31f2a1f0yd90d153fe3150470@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <880dece00806140801l31f2a1f0yd90d153fe3150470@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4853F14B.3030906@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/14 Robert Tilley : >> What are things I can do to optimize Kubuntu? I'm hesitant about taking my >> box offline for three days to compile a base Gentoo system. There should be >> simple things (kernel recompile is a first one) to increase the speed of >> Kubuntu. >> > > Add more RAM? > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? 1.5 G RAM, 3.0 GHz CPU, geforce 7300 w/256mb VGA---> lightning speed kubuntu hardy, i use the same hardware for windows xp, which runs waaaay too slugishly, what is weirder, is that on windows i didn't notice any performance gain from increasing RAM from 500 mb to 1500 mb except in games, as for the system in general, nill performance increase! kubuntu on the other hand, was working real fast on 500 mb, and really didn't need the extra 1 Gb, after the upgrade, it became even better, specially with firefox when viewing flash objects. unfortunately i don't know anything about gentoo, and i certainly have no idea about building/compiling a system. -- Willy K. 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Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net Sat Jun 14 18:08:56 2008 From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:08:56 -0700 Subject: Disabling service on s_l_o_w desktop In-Reply-To: <880dece00806141058l101245e2t5d173bc470b93b97@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806141058l101245e2t5d173bc470b93b97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806141108.56334.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> On Sat June 14 2008 10:58:37 Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have installed Kubuntu 8.04 on a very slow 1.4 Ghz AMD Duron desktop > machine. Although there is 1 GB RAM installed, the machine is very > unresponsive. I am considering disabling as many services as possible > to help the computer cope with the load. My two main goals are to > reduce the sluggish response of the computer, and to decrease boot > time. For a single-user desktop machine, that is not doing development > work, are these services really necessary? > > acpid > anacron > apmd > apport > atd > dhcdbd > policykit > powernowd > rsync > usplash > vbesave > > What else can one do to make Kubuntu more responsive? Thanks in advance. I would be concerned if the rsync server is running without reason. However none of those services should have much effect on performance. Usually only one thing is the bottleneck. Watch "top" for a while and try to figure out if the problem is a particular program, insufficient RAM, or CPU heavily loaded. Try to figure out if all things are slower or maybe (for example) just things which involve the display. Then you will have a better idea what needs fixing. --Mike Bird From dlouhy at charter.net Sat Jun 14 18:10:47 2008 From: dlouhy at charter.net (Jonathan Dlouhy) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:10:47 -0400 Subject: Disabling service on s_l_o_w desktop In-Reply-To: <880dece00806141058l101245e2t5d173bc470b93b97@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806141058l101245e2t5d173bc470b93b97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485409A7.6000908@charter.net> Dotan, try this web site. It has lots of good ideas for making your system run faster. http://forumubuntusoftware.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7 -- Jonathan Dlouhy ============ "Just remember it's the birds that's supposed to suffer, not the hunter." -George W. Bush Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have installed Kubuntu 8.04 on a very slow 1.4 Ghz AMD Duron desktop > machine. Although there is 1 GB RAM installed, the machine is very > unresponsive. I am considering disabling as many services as possible > to help the computer cope with the load. My two main goals are to > reduce the sluggish response of the computer, and to decrease boot > time. For a single-user desktop machine, that is not doing development > work, are these services really necessary? > > acpid > anacron > apmd > apport > atd > dhcdbd > policykit > powernowd > rsync > usplash > vbesave > > What else can one do to make Kubuntu more responsive? Thanks in advance. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-� -ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Jun 14 18:24:31 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:24:31 -0500 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <880dece00806140801l31f2a1f0yd90d153fe3150470@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <880dece00806140801l31f2a1f0yd90d153fe3150470@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48540CDF.5020401@swbell.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/14 Robert Tilley : > >> What are things I can do to optimize Kubuntu? I'm hesitant about taking my >> box offline for three days to compile a base Gentoo system. There should be >> simple things (kernel recompile is a first one) to increase the speed of >> Kubuntu. >> >> > > Add more RAM? > > Dotan Cohen That was my thought. How much ram are you using and how much ram is in the demo machine? It's very hard to evaluate performance in machines that aren't equal. My desktop with a 3.2GHz processor and two gigs ram is quite fast. My new laptop with a 1.8GHz processor and four gigs ram is blazing fast even in Live CD. [ I haven't decided on install method yet. ] Both machines are Intel dual core processors. Comparing my desktop with a standard instal and my laptop in Live CD. It "seems" like the laptop is faster even though it's processor is half the speed of the desktop. Doubling the ram does the trick for it. When your asking how to speed up Kubuntu you need to first ask how the machines are the same and different. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 21:57:22 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:57:22 +0100 Subject: Cannot install Flash plugin for Firefox Message-ID: <880dece00806141457s7144f456lc157ecf8476ea8ee@mail.gmail.com> I have a new install of Kubuntu 8.04 with Firefox 3.0 (I am assuming RC1/2). I cannot install the flash pluggin. When I click on a flash placeholder Firefox downloads the pluggin and seems to install it with no problems. Firefox then prompts me to restart the browser, which I do, but the Flash pluggin remains uninstalled. What to do from here? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 23:02:28 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:02:28 -0400 Subject: Cannot install Flash plugin for Firefox In-Reply-To: <880dece00806141457s7144f456lc157ecf8476ea8ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806141457s7144f456lc157ecf8476ea8ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0806141602r7129b6d4tdd1d731098661f9c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have a new install of Kubuntu 8.04 with Firefox 3.0 (I am assuming > RC1/2). I cannot install the flash pluggin. You could install the real Firefox - not the one from Kubuntu. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 23:18:31 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:18:31 +0300 Subject: Cannot install Flash plugin for Firefox In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0806141602r7129b6d4tdd1d731098661f9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806141457s7144f456lc157ecf8476ea8ee@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0806141602r7129b6d4tdd1d731098661f9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806141618s3569d237he69a5368466f9d50@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/15 John DeCarlo : > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> I have a new install of Kubuntu 8.04 with Firefox 3.0 (I am assuming >> RC1/2). I cannot install the flash pluggin. > > You could install the real Firefox - not the one from Kubuntu. > Oh? How modified is the Kubuntu Firefox from the Mozilla Firefox? Legally, it cannot be too different if it is still using the Firefox name. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 23:27:25 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:27:25 -0400 Subject: Cannot install Flash plugin for Firefox In-Reply-To: <880dece00806141618s3569d237he69a5368466f9d50@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806141457s7144f456lc157ecf8476ea8ee@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0806141602r7129b6d4tdd1d731098661f9c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806141618s3569d237he69a5368466f9d50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0806141627v4fac707ai903d07e56028593a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Oh? How modified is the Kubuntu Firefox from the Mozilla Firefox? > Legally, it cannot be too different if it is still using the Firefox > name. > Legally? Never mind. As for the differences, I don't know how easy it is to find them. Clearly it changes default directories, among other things. Someone once pointed me to a site that listed the 2-300 changes documented. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How modified is the Kubuntu Firefox from the Mozilla Firefox? >> Legally, it cannot be too different if it is still using the Firefox >> name. >> > > Legally? Never mind. > > As for the differences, I don't know how easy it is to find them. Clearly > it changes default directories, among other things. Someone once pointed me > to a site that listed the 2-300 changes documented. > > > -- > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Jun 15 01:12:20 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:12:20 -0400 Subject: Cannot install Flash plugin for Firefox In-Reply-To: <3235aa2e0806141737y76c6eff2h3c6a25832271a433@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806141457s7144f456lc157ecf8476ea8ee@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0806141602r7129b6d4tdd1d731098661f9c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806141618s3569d237he69a5368466f9d50@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0806141627v4fac707ai903d07e56028593a@mail.gmail.com> <3235aa2e0806141737y76c6eff2h3c6a25832271a433@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48546C74.5040201@mike-leone.com> Stephen Ransom wrote: > you install the kubuntu-restricted-extras including the non-free flash > plugin? This is done from the repositories, and may be the answer to > your problem. I'm not sure that installing plugins via Firefox always works properly on Linux. If there's a plugin in a repository, I would install that first. > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 5:27 PM, John DeCarlo > wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Dotan Cohen > wrote: > > Oh? How modified is the Kubuntu Firefox from the Mozilla Firefox? > Legally, it cannot be too different if it is still using the Firefox > name. > > > Legally? Never mind. > > As for the differences, I don't know how easy it is to find them. > Clearly it changes default directories, among other things. Someone > once pointed me to a site that listed the 2-300 changes documented. > > > -- > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: People believe in the unseeable, but will not see the unbelievable. -- "Dark Season", Rusell T. Davies From neonchrist0 at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 01:18:33 2008 From: neonchrist0 at gmail.com (Stephen Ransom) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:18:33 -0600 Subject: Cannot install Flash plugin for Firefox In-Reply-To: <48546C74.5040201@mike-leone.com> References: <880dece00806141457s7144f456lc157ecf8476ea8ee@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0806141602r7129b6d4tdd1d731098661f9c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806141618s3569d237he69a5368466f9d50@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0806141627v4fac707ai903d07e56028593a@mail.gmail.com> <3235aa2e0806141737y76c6eff2h3c6a25832271a433@mail.gmail.com> <48546C74.5040201@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <3235aa2e0806141818q281b585at8a04597e767da960@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, sorry my kubuntu is broken right now, (sent out a help email), so I can't find the exact package name. search for adobe in adept, and flash non- free. you should find one that's labeled as a plugin for mozilla, and thats what I use. On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Michael Leone wrote: > Stephen Ransom wrote: > > you install the kubuntu-restricted-extras including the non-free flash > > plugin? This is done from the repositories, and may be the answer to > > your problem. > > I'm not sure that installing plugins via Firefox always works properly > on Linux. If there's a plugin in a repository, I would install that first. > > > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 5:27 PM, John DeCarlo > > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Dotan Cohen > > wrote: > > > > Oh? How modified is the Kubuntu Firefox from the Mozilla Firefox? > > Legally, it cannot be too different if it is still using the > Firefox > > name. > > > > > > Legally? Never mind. > > > > As for the differences, I don't know how easy it is to find them. > > Clearly it changes default directories, among other things. Someone > > once pointed me to a site that listed the 2-300 changes documented. > > > > > > -- > > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > -- > Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 > > > PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF > Photo Gallery: > > People believe in the unseeable, but will not see the unbelievable. > -- "Dark Season", Rusell T. Davies > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He has almost all of the eye candy for Compiz installed. ... > > What are things I can do to optimize Kubuntu? I would be astonished to learn that there is _anything_ you can do to the software that will make your machine run as fast as his, including installing Gentoo. It's his hardware... > I'm hesitant about taking my > box offline for three days to compile a base Gentoo system. There should > be simple things (kernel recompile is a first one) to increase the speed > of Kubuntu. What makes you think that? By all benchmarks, I don't believe you will get a noticeable improvement in speed by recompiling the kernel. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jun 15 01:32:11 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:32:11 -0300 Subject: 8.04 in Windows References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> <48531BA2.5030800@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <5279580.gTsKpU0kut@cedar.serverforest.com> Michael Leone wrote: > I've had more problems with ReiserFS than with NTFS, actually. As have I... -- derek From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Jun 15 01:50:07 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:50:07 -0400 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <4202462.X74lgjvuOU@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4202462.X74lgjvuOU@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Robert Tilley wrote: > >> What are the major obstacles to running a lightning-fast Linux workstation >> with easy package management? >> >> Kubuntu is a dream for ease of installation and application management. >> This >> comes at a price. Kubuntu must run on a generic PC with as many drivers >> as possible. > > And the "price" is what? Bloat? Using generic drivers, possibly, instead of optimized ones. Many more options compiled into the kernel, that aren't needed by your specific installation, perhaps. Any OS can be fine-tuned; I think his request was more of a general "How do I fine tune my Linux installation?". Services that can be shut off, etc. This is different for all users, of course. -- Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: People believe in the unseeable, but will not see the unbelievable. -- "Dark Season", Rusell T. Davies From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jun 15 01:35:37 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:35:37 -0300 Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu References: <444985.59455.qm@web58010.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12644080.BvRCHLPgqg@cedar.serverforest.com> cherryfinals wrote: >> > I just spoke with her and she is going to use a cat5 cable for a > few months, until I can get down there on vacation and install > NDSwrapper. >> > >> > The problem is that Bellsouth refuses to recognize anything but > windows drivers. >> >> So the NIC in question is Bellsouth provided? And they won't let you >> use any other model, such as one that is easier to use with Linux? > > The wireless is built in to the laptop Yes, but that's the point. It has _nothing_ to do with Bell South. Any wireless adapter should work with the router. > and no, we're not going to be > spending money on another wireless card. You shouldn't need to, but really when you can get a working card for $20, is anything else worth the frustration? -- derek From neonchrist0 at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 02:04:02 2008 From: neonchrist0 at gmail.com (Stephen Ransom) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:04:02 -0600 Subject: 8.04 crash, errors on sda6, won't boot up In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0806141835k53c480bbw8efbf3dec9e26979@mail.gmail.com> References: <3235aa2e0806141749x3333bb5bg9e3ed442822e7a96@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0806141835k53c480bbw8efbf3dec9e26979@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3235aa2e0806141904w4a2640c7o33bd5fab0da1255@mail.gmail.com> ok thanks, I realize now that it was a very obvious answer, but at least i know for the next time. : ) On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 7:35 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Stephen Ransom > wrote: > >> It does a disk check and fails around 94% when it gets to sda 6 saying >> that the check failed, the root file system needs to be mounted in read >> only, and a maintenance shell is opened. I have no Idea what to do in the >> maintenance shell, or even what needs to be fixed. any ideas? >> > > You need to fix the file system. > > fsck /dev/sda6 > > -- > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 02:23:30 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ATT/Bellsouth with Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <12644080.BvRCHLPgqg@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <444462.15414.qm@web58010.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > >> So the NIC in question is Bellsouth provided? And they won't let > you > >> use any other model, such as one that is easier to use with Linux? > > > > The wireless is built in to the laptop > > Yes, but that's the point. It has _nothing_ to do with Bell South. > Any > wireless adapter should work with the router. Agreed. > > and no, we're not going to be > > spending money on another wireless card. > > You shouldn't need to, but really when you can get a working card for > $20, > is anything else worth the frustration? You have a point there, Derek. That just might be a good option. Thanks for the feedback and I'll let everyone know how it goes in a few months, when I get down there to fondle the equipment in person. Heh. Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Jun 15 02:41:04 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:41:04 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <5279580.gTsKpU0kut@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> <48531BA2.5030800@mike-leone.com> <5279580.gTsKpU0kut@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48548140.4020609@swbell.net> Well, I tried the WUBI install. Sucks big time. Doesn't set up any hardware. Can't do any software installs because it can't get to the repos. It also doesn't just set up an icon on the desktop. It uses the Windows boot manager to choose the OS to boot up instead of Grub. The bottom line is that it doesn't run Kubuntu "in" Windows but runs it off the NTFS file system. First I tried the WUBI install from the install disk. Didn't even work. Downloaded the WUBI installer from the site on Source Forge. It worked. Then when you un-install it doesn't completely cleanup after itself. The Windows boot loader is still jacked. I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea just needs to be smarter. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From dlouhy at charter.net Sun Jun 15 04:03:21 2008 From: dlouhy at charter.net (Jonathan Dlouhy) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:03:21 -0400 Subject: 8.04 crash, errors on sda6, won't boot up In-Reply-To: <3235aa2e0806141749x3333bb5bg9e3ed442822e7a96@mail.gmail.com> References: <3235aa2e0806141749x3333bb5bg9e3ed442822e7a96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48549489.70204@charter.net> Which file system are you using? Stephen Ransom wrote: > I just installed a game with wine, and when I started it up my > computer crashed. I was forced to restart, but now kubuntu won't boot > up. It does a disk check and fails around 94% when it gets to sda 6 > saying that the check failed, the root file system needs to be > mounted in read only, and a maintenance shell is opened. I have no > Idea what to do in the maintenance shell, or even what needs to be > fixed. any ideas? From ronw at paradise.net.nz Sun Jun 15 04:18:03 2008 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (Ron Wilson) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:18:03 +1200 Subject: KDE4 & Samba Message-ID: <1213503484.10022.1.camel@angela> Has anyone come up with a fix for Samba not working with KDE4. I can find plenty of comment on line about others having same problem but I cannot find any solution ------------------- Ron Wilson If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the computer, a Rolls-Royce today would cost $10, get a million miles to the gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 08:53:36 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:53:36 +0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4202462.X74lgjvuOU@cedar.serverforest.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806150153m272ab824j18e436c62a0f0dac@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/15 Michael Leone : > Bloat? Using generic drivers, possibly, instead of optimized ones. Many > more options compiled into the kernel, that aren't needed by your > specific installation, perhaps. > Where can one find information about building an optimized kernel under Ubuntu? Googling uncovered some amateur websites written by self-proclaimed experts with 15 minutes experience (blogs) compiling kernels under Ubuntu, but where can one find information written by an experienced Linux system admin? > Any OS can be fine-tuned; I think his request was more of a general "How > do I fine tune my Linux installation?". Services that can be shut off, > etc. This is different for all users, of course. Where are some good places to start? Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 08:55:02 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:55:02 +0300 Subject: Cannot install Flash plugin for Firefox In-Reply-To: <3235aa2e0806141737y76c6eff2h3c6a25832271a433@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806141457s7144f456lc157ecf8476ea8ee@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0806141602r7129b6d4tdd1d731098661f9c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806141618s3569d237he69a5368466f9d50@mail.gmail.com> <3dde113c0806141627v4fac707ai903d07e56028593a@mail.gmail.com> <3235aa2e0806141737y76c6eff2h3c6a25832271a433@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806150155g2d85e10ere8b7e9e0b4532e0e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/15 Stephen Ransom : > you install the kubuntu-restricted-extras including the non-free flash > plugin? This is done from the repositories, and may be the answer to your > problem. > Thanks, that was just what she needed. Problem solved! The world has one more happy Kubuntu user today. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 09:43:15 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:43:15 +0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <880dece00806150153m272ab824j18e436c62a0f0dac@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4202462.X74lgjvuOU@cedar.serverforest.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <880dece00806150153m272ab824j18e436c62a0f0dac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4854E433.3020100@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/15 Michael Leone : >> Bloat? Using generic drivers, possibly, instead of optimized ones. Many >> more options compiled into the kernel, that aren't needed by your >> specific installation, perhaps. >> > > Where can one find information about building an optimized kernel > under Ubuntu? Googling uncovered some amateur websites written by > self-proclaimed experts with 15 minutes experience (blogs) compiling > kernels under Ubuntu, but where can one find information written by an > experienced Linux system admin? > >> Any OS can be fine-tuned; I think his request was more of a general "How >> do I fine tune my Linux installation?". Services that can be shut off, >> etc. This is different for all users, of course. > > Where are some good places to start? maybe this can help, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ . -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Karl, Op Thursday 12 June 2008 07:02:13 schreef John Pierce: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: > > John Pierce wrote: > >> Hello list members, if I do the following command > >> apt-get install kde4 > >> will I have both kde 3 and 4 side by side or will it replace > >> the kde3 install? > > > > Side-by-side. You choose which you want to boot into from KDM's > > "session" menu. > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Thank you > > -- > John > Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at > http://counter.li.org From slewin at bmts.com Sun Jun 15 12:13:07 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:13:07 -0400 Subject: KDE4 & Samba In-Reply-To: <1213503484.10022.1.camel@angela> References: <1213503484.10022.1.camel@angela> Message-ID: <48550753.3010708@bmts.com> Ron Wilson wrote: > Has anyone come up with a fix for Samba not working with KDE4. I can > find plenty of comment on line about others having same problem but I > cannot find any solution Sadly, I can not help you and can only add to the others having this problem. This is actually one of the few main reasons why I am holding off to 8.10 to run KDE4 full time. If you have not tried it yet, you can try KDE 4.1 Beta. IT haves added a lot that was suppose to be in 4.0 and fixed several problems. I took a read of a review (http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-4-progress-new-plasmoids-akonadi-krunner-and-more/) and it looked like a nice improvement. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From kfulks at knology.net Sun Jun 15 12:20:15 2008 From: kfulks at knology.net (Kelly L. Fulks) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:20:15 -0500 Subject: PDF reader that lets one override fonts In-Reply-To: <880dece00806062200k1900c46dicda86e47d1c7d5eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806060111q12ec80c7j4361aa485ba09386@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060332v3f3362faxe7b80ca40e181171@mail.gmail.com> <3b27fa9d0806060439y6e367154wd0e236eba30f0394@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806060723s615f3f2eof4fca84851703169@mail.gmail.com> <4849E1A0.7070907@knology.net> <880dece00806062200k1900c46dicda86e47d1c7d5eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485508FF.2030302@knology.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/7 Kelly L. Fulks : >> Having said that O'Reilly has a book on PDF hacks. I don't have a copy >> of it, but a co-worker does and it is possible that there is something >> in it. If you don't have a resolution by Monday, I will try to remember >> to look in it. >> > > Thanks, I would appreciate it. I must stop this project of finding a > way around the fonts now because I must study! Exam in less than a > week! But if you can ask on monday I would much appreciate it. I will > send you a copy of the offending PDF in private mail, as it is only > possible to experiment on the real thing. Thanks. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? Dotan, I kept forgetting to drop you a line on this one. I checked the PDF Hacks book that my friend has, and it did not have anything about replacing the fonts via programming. This still sounds like an interesting project and I am sure that there is a way to do it, but it would probably require reading the PDF file with a program and finding the font definitions and replacing them as you write the file back out (to a new file). I haven't done enough work with PDFs to know whether that is possible with ease. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 12:47:27 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:47:27 +0200 Subject: Print to fax with HP all-in-one? Message-ID: <880dece00806150547k5dc83ad1xb0c71b8fda0ebd97@mail.gmail.com> We own an HP 4255 All-In-One printer/scanner/fax/copier. The device has USB and regular phone jacks: the USB is used for printing and scanning, and the phone jack for receiving and sending faxes. The device prints and scans perfectly in Kubuntu since version 7.04, 7.10, and 8.04 (the current installed version). We prepare documents for faxing as PDF files, then print them, then feed the printed page through the machine once again to fax it. Is it possible to print direrctly to fax, ie, to send a PDF file to the unit and have it sent as a fax instead of being printed out? This would save us time, paper, and ink. Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From fred.schaer at free.fr Sun Jun 15 13:50:34 2008 From: fred.schaer at free.fr (Frederic Schaer) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:50:34 +0200 Subject: KDE4 & Samba In-Reply-To: <48550753.3010708@bmts.com> References: <1213503484.10022.1.camel@angela> <48550753.3010708@bmts.com> Message-ID: <48551E2A.1000307@free.fr> Hi, It seems to work in Dolphin in 4.1 Another major thing that's not working (I'll try to see if there's already a bug openned for that) is the fish protocol : I can't succeed in connecting to a remote machine in kde4 using either fish:// or ssh:// or sftp:// in Dolphin or Konqueror... they just crash. It's sad, I hope this all works when we are all forced to go to KDE4 (or shall I say gnome ? ;) ) !! Regards Scott a écrit : > Ron Wilson wrote: > >> Has anyone come up with a fix for Samba not working with KDE4. I can >> find plenty of comment on line about others having same problem but I >> cannot find any solution >> > Sadly, I can not help you and can only add to the others having this > problem. This is actually one of the few main reasons why I am holding > off to 8.10 to run KDE4 full time. > > If you have not tried it yet, you can try KDE 4.1 Beta. IT haves added > a lot that was suppose to be in 4.0 and fixed several problems. I took > a read of a review > (http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-4-progress-new-plasmoids-akonadi-krunner-and-more/) > and it looked like a nice improvement. > > From d.mcglone at att.net Sun Jun 15 14:48:18 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:48:18 -0400 Subject: Cannot install Flash plugin for Firefox In-Reply-To: <880dece00806141457s7144f456lc157ecf8476ea8ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806141457s7144f456lc157ecf8476ea8ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806151048.18856.d.mcglone@att.net> On Saturday 14 June 2008 17:57:22 Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have a new install of Kubuntu 8.04 with Firefox 3.0 (I am assuming > RC1/2). I cannot install the flash pluggin. When I click on a flash > placeholder Firefox downloads the pluggin and seems to install it with > no problems. Firefox then prompts me to restart the browser, which I > do, but the Flash pluggin remains uninstalled. What to do from here? sudo apt-get insall flashplugin-nonfree -- David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Sun Jun 15 15:03:03 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:03:03 -0400 Subject: Print to fax with HP all-in-one? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806150547k5dc83ad1xb0c71b8fda0ebd97@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806150547k5dc83ad1xb0c71b8fda0ebd97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806151103.04118.d.mcglone@att.net> On Sunday 15 June 2008 08:47:27 Dotan Cohen wrote: > We own an HP 4255 All-In-One printer/scanner/fax/copier. The device > has USB and regular phone jacks: the USB is used for printing and > scanning, and the phone jack for receiving and sending faxes. The > device prints and scans perfectly in Kubuntu since version 7.04, 7.10, > and 8.04 (the current installed version). > > We prepare documents for faxing as PDF files, then print them, then > feed the printed page through the machine once again to fax it. Is it > possible to print direrctly to fax, ie, to send a PDF file to the unit > and have it sent as a fax instead of being printed out? This would > save us time, paper, and ink. > > Thanks in advance. Use the HPLIP toolbox under system in kmenu. -- David M. From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sun Jun 15 15:42:37 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:42:37 +0100 Subject: KDE4 & Samba In-Reply-To: <48551E2A.1000307@free.fr> References: <1213503484.10022.1.camel@angela> <48550753.3010708@bmts.com> <48551E2A.1000307@free.fr> Message-ID: <4855386D.4060701@googlemail.com> Frederic Schaer wrote: > It's sad, I hope this all works when we are all forced to go to KDE4 (or > shall I say gnome ? ;) ) !! [snipped] Myself, I've been looking at distros with the Enlightenment desktop and window manager. I hope KDE4 gets its act together to allow me rely upon it before then because I'd hate to move from Kubuntu: even Xubuntu seems to have matured enough. As a PowerPC user, I've seen my architecture go from not being officially supported, to my distro of choice not working in its developing guise. This is to be expecting as KDE4 is developing, but not when its forced on us as the buggy default. I must say gOS with Enlightenment is performing just like the Mac OS X Leopard interface, and Elive is working fine. OpenGEU gives the KDE structure with the Enlightenment window manager, and looks great, and might be something I'll turn to when KDE4 has matured. Until then, the beauty of Linux is I have a choice........ -- Graham Todd From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Sun Jun 15 16:33:24 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:33:24 +0200 Subject: GG 7.10 refuses to boot on Asus M2N-X Plus mobo Message-ID: <200806151833.24982.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> I've just built my first machine from scratch, and the components are below, if they have any relevance. Asus M2N-X Plus nVidia GeForce-6100/ nForce 430 motherboard AMD Athlon 64 3800 Socket AM2 2.4GHz CPU Crucial Ballistix 2x1GB PC6400-800MHz memory No onboard graphics card, so installed the one below. Asus EAX1550 SILENT/HTD/512M | ATI Radeon X1550 - 512 Mb DDR2 -PCI Express Maxtor 160GB SATA harddrive (for the OS's) Western Digital 250GB SATA harddrive (for Data) LITE-ON DH-20A4P-06C IDE optical drive That over with, the first distro I tried to install was Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon 7.10. It starts to bootup, with the blue bar swinging from side to side, then the blue bar starts to work it's way from the left side, like it's actually loading the system, but then abruptly stops, screen goes black, and a few seconds later, the screen displays 4 repeated bits of underlined text in a deep pink colour. I can't read what it says, even with my strong glasses, but would seem to be some error message. Tried another option on the bootup menu, but same results. Ok. Try another distro. Fedora 8 installs ok, but won't bootup, which is another story, now resolved by saying no to various services being started in the boot process. Fedora 8 won't boot, so I try with my only other Kubuntu disk, the Breezy one. I dl'd both the live cd, and the install cd for Breezy, and using the install cd Breezy installs ok. All I had to change was the graphics driver, changing it to vesa, as the ati one probably wasn't up to date enough for the ati graphics card. Anyway Breezy installed ok, and I have an instance of Breezy updated to Dapper on another machine, and have saved the cache in /var/cache/apt/archives, so it will be no problem to update this instance of Breezy to Dapper, and Dapper works just fine. Now Gutsy Gibbon is basically a live CD which when booted up gives you the option to install the distro from a desktop icon. So I tried Knoppix, which as we know is a live CD. Now I needed to fix the F8 bootup problem, and as Fedora 8's Grub was in the MBR, and Breezy's Grub was in it's root partition, I couldn't initially boot Breezy before adding a chainloader entry to F8's grub.conf. Anyway Knoppix booted ok, and I was able to make the changes to F8's grub.conf, and was able to boot Breezy post-install. I do have Gutsy Gibbon installed on another machine, an older I-Friend (circa 2003), with a cyberbladei1 (trident) graphics card. No problem with the install at all, apart from the usual stuff like setting screen resolution for example. The question is, why won't Gutsy Gibbon bootup on the machine with the Asus mobo? Has anyone with the same or similar mobo been able to install Gutsy Gibbon 7.10? I must say that initially I could not boot anything on this mobo, and got complaints about acpi, suggesting acpi-debug, and sending a report, then try with noapic. I looked in the BIOS, and disabled acpi, and after that F8 installed ok, and Knoppix, and Finnix would boot up. Sorry for my usual rambling on, but I'm a bit lost as to why GG won't boot up. Thanks as usual for any help. Nigel. Weather mild in northern france, and just about to take the dog for walkies. From temps.jo at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 16:59:33 2008 From: temps.jo at gmail.com (joris abadie) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:59:33 +0200 Subject: GG 7.10 refuses to boot on Asus M2N-X Plus mobo In-Reply-To: <200806151833.24982.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200806151833.24982.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: HI, sorry for my poor english I have to an asus, and it was impossible with ubuntu,xubuntu.... I find the solution with two things : 1 - I change the R.A.M (I put kingstom memory, the same value) 2 - I change in the bios the parameter in the hard disk With the two actes when I try ubuntu work in my Asus so I try again with xubuntu, kubuntu, ... and again it is work fine 2008/6/15 Nigel Henry : > I've just built my first machine from scratch, and the components are below, > if they have any relevance. > Asus M2N-X Plus nVidia GeForce-6100/ nForce 430 motherboard > AMD Athlon 64 3800 Socket AM2 2.4GHz CPU > Crucial Ballistix 2x1GB PC6400-800MHz memory > No onboard graphics card, so installed the one below. > Asus EAX1550 SILENT/HTD/512M | ATI Radeon X1550 - 512 Mb DDR2 -PCI Express > > Maxtor 160GB SATA harddrive (for the OS's) > Western Digital 250GB SATA harddrive (for Data) > > LITE-ON DH-20A4P-06C IDE optical drive > > That over with, the first distro I tried to install was Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon > 7.10. It starts to bootup, with the blue bar swinging from side to side, then > the blue bar starts to work it's way from the left side, like it's actually > loading the system, but then abruptly stops, screen goes black, and a few > seconds later, the screen displays 4 repeated bits of underlined text in a > deep pink colour. I can't read what it says, even with my strong glasses, but > would seem to be some error message. Tried another option on the bootup menu, > but same results. > > Ok. Try another distro. Fedora 8 installs ok, but won't bootup, which is > another story, now resolved by saying no to various services being started in > the boot process. > > Fedora 8 won't boot, so I try with my only other Kubuntu disk, the Breezy one. > I dl'd both the live cd, and the install cd for Breezy, and using the install > cd Breezy installs ok. All I had to change was the graphics driver, changing > it to vesa, as the ati one probably wasn't up to date enough for the ati > graphics card. Anyway Breezy installed ok, and I have an instance of Breezy > updated to Dapper on another machine, and have saved the cache > in /var/cache/apt/archives, so it will be no problem to update this instance > of Breezy to Dapper, and Dapper works just fine. > > Now Gutsy Gibbon is basically a live CD which when booted up gives you the > option to install the distro from a desktop icon. So I tried Knoppix, which > as we know is a live CD. Now I needed to fix the F8 bootup problem, and as > Fedora 8's Grub was in the MBR, and Breezy's Grub was in it's root partition, > I couldn't initially boot Breezy before adding a chainloader entry to F8's > grub.conf. Anyway Knoppix booted ok, and I was able to make the changes to > F8's grub.conf, and was able to boot Breezy post-install. > > I do have Gutsy Gibbon installed on another machine, an older I-Friend (circa > 2003), with a cyberbladei1 (trident) graphics card. No problem with the > install at all, apart from the usual stuff like setting screen resolution for > example. > > The question is, why won't Gutsy Gibbon bootup on the machine with the Asus > mobo? Has anyone with the same or similar mobo been able to install Gutsy > Gibbon 7.10? > > I must say that initially I could not boot anything on this mobo, and got > complaints about acpi, suggesting acpi-debug, and sending a report, then try > with noapic. I looked in the BIOS, and disabled acpi, and after that F8 > installed ok, and Knoppix, and Finnix would boot up. > > Sorry for my usual rambling on, but I'm a bit lost as to why GG won't boot up. > > Thanks as usual for any help. > > Nigel. Weather mild in northern france, and just about to take the dog for > walkies. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From hunkumori at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 16:59:59 2008 From: hunkumori at gmail.com (Asuka Langley) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:59:59 +0200 Subject: GG 7.10 refuses to boot on Asus M2N-X Plus mobo In-Reply-To: <200806151833.24982.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200806151833.24982.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <347f0cf50806150959m6ea43691j642c9b7591868d89@mail.gmail.com> Hello First of all, try to install it from the alternate install disc (I suppose you can find that where to download it.) If it still fails, you can try Kubuntu 8.04 (Or Fedora 9, what I dont prefer too much..(yepp, I tried it). ps.: why? why Ati? You really want to use Linux?.. :) Other thought: Use WD for sys, and Maxtor for storage. By the way Maxtor dies faster, and its like living on the edge.. so good luck in loosing your data.. :)) 2008/6/15, Nigel Henry : > > I've just built my first machine from scratch, and the components are > below, > if they have any relevance. > Asus M2N-X Plus nVidia GeForce-6100/ nForce 430 motherboard > AMD Athlon 64 3800 Socket AM2 2.4GHz CPU > Crucial Ballistix 2x1GB PC6400-800MHz memory > No onboard graphics card, so installed the one below. > Asus EAX1550 SILENT/HTD/512M | ATI Radeon X1550 - 512 Mb DDR2 -PCI Express > > Maxtor 160GB SATA harddrive (for the OS's) > Western Digital 250GB SATA harddrive (for Data) > > LITE-ON DH-20A4P-06C IDE optical drive > > That over with, the first distro I tried to install was Kubuntu Gutsy > Gibbon > 7.10. It starts to bootup, with the blue bar swinging from side to side, > then > the blue bar starts to work it's way from the left side, like it's actually > loading the system, but then abruptly stops, screen goes black, and a few > seconds later, the screen displays 4 repeated bits of underlined text in a > deep pink colour. I can't read what it says, even with my strong glasses, > but > would seem to be some error message. Tried another option on the bootup > menu, > but same results. > > Ok. Try another distro. Fedora 8 installs ok, but won't bootup, which is > another story, now resolved by saying no to various services being started > in > the boot process. > > Fedora 8 won't boot, so I try with my only other Kubuntu disk, the Breezy > one. > I dl'd both the live cd, and the install cd for Breezy, and using the > install > cd Breezy installs ok. All I had to change was the graphics driver, > changing > it to vesa, as the ati one probably wasn't up to date enough for the ati > graphics card. Anyway Breezy installed ok, and I have an instance of Breezy > updated to Dapper on another machine, and have saved the cache > in /var/cache/apt/archives, so it will be no problem to update this > instance > of Breezy to Dapper, and Dapper works just fine. > > Now Gutsy Gibbon is basically a live CD which when booted up gives you the > option to install the distro from a desktop icon. So I tried Knoppix, which > as we know is a live CD. Now I needed to fix the F8 bootup problem, and as > Fedora 8's Grub was in the MBR, and Breezy's Grub was in it's root > partition, > I couldn't initially boot Breezy before adding a chainloader entry to F8's > grub.conf. Anyway Knoppix booted ok, and I was able to make the changes to > F8's grub.conf, and was able to boot Breezy post-install. > > I do have Gutsy Gibbon installed on another machine, an older I-Friend > (circa > 2003), with a cyberbladei1 (trident) graphics card. No problem with the > install at all, apart from the usual stuff like setting screen resolution > for > example. > > The question is, why won't Gutsy Gibbon bootup on the machine with the Asus > mobo? Has anyone with the same or similar mobo been able to install Gutsy > Gibbon 7.10? > > I must say that initially I could not boot anything on this mobo, and got > complaints about acpi, suggesting acpi-debug, and sending a report, then > try > with noapic. I looked in the BIOS, and disabled acpi, and after that F8 > installed ok, and Knoppix, and Finnix would boot up. > > Sorry for my usual rambling on, but I'm a bit lost as to why GG won't boot > up. > > Thanks as usual for any help. > > Nigel. Weather mild in northern france, and just about to take the dog for > walkies. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Sun Jun 15 17:24:34 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:24:34 +0200 Subject: GG 7.10 refuses to boot on Asus M2N-X Plus mobo In-Reply-To: References: <200806151833.24982.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <200806151924.34765.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Sunday 15 June 2008 18:59, joris abadie wrote: > HI, > sorry for my poor english > I have to an asus, and it was impossible with ubuntu,xubuntu.... > I find the solution with two things : > 1 - I change the R.A.M (I put kingstom memory, the same value) Hi Joris. I don't think that the memory is a problem, as I've been able to install Fedora 8, Kubuntu Breezy, Archlinux, and Knoppix 5.0 boots ok. > 2 - I change in the bios the parameter in the hard disk Which parameters did you change for the harddisk? > With the two actes when I try ubuntu work in my Asus > so I try again with xubuntu, kubuntu, ... and again it is work fine > > 2008/6/15 Nigel Henry : No problemo with your English. I'm living in France, and my french is terrible. A question. Which Asus mobo do you have? Is it the same M2N-X Plus as mine? Thanks for your reply. Nigel. From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Jun 15 17:28:04 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:28:04 -0400 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <880dece00806150153m272ab824j18e436c62a0f0dac@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4202462.X74lgjvuOU@cedar.serverforest.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <880dece00806150153m272ab824j18e436c62a0f0dac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/15 Michael Leone : >> Bloat? Using generic drivers, possibly, instead of optimized ones. Many >> more options compiled into the kernel, that aren't needed by your >> specific installation, perhaps. >> > > Where can one find information about building an optimized kernel > under Ubuntu? Googling uncovered some amateur websites written by > self-proclaimed experts with 15 minutes experience (blogs) compiling > kernels under Ubuntu, but where can one find information written by an > experienced Linux system admin? Now, that's a good question. The answer is more along the lines of knowing what is in your system, and so what options you can check off. For example, if you know you have no SCSI cards, uncheck all of them; it will make the compile go much faster. Ditto for things like firewire support, or that odd I2C stuff. Also you could uncheck all the other disk and network controllers, etc, that you don't have and won't ever have. You do take the risk that if you add such a device in future, you will need to re-compile to get it to work. But hey, everything's a trade-off. :-) > >> Any OS can be fine-tuned; I think his request was more of a general "How >> do I fine tune my Linux installation?". Services that can be shut off, >> etc. This is different for all users, of course. > > Where are some good places to start? Fraid I don't know of any for Linux. If it were Windows, I'd say Black Viper's site. He lists most of the popular services running under Windows, and when and why you could turn them off. It does result in lower memory usage, I know that. But I don't recall seeing a similar optimizing site for Linux services. Oh, there are some you can easily figure out - turn off telnet if you don't use it, and instead use only SSH, etc. > > Thanks. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Michael J. 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From temps.jo at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 17:51:00 2008 From: temps.jo at gmail.com (joris abadie) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:51:00 +0200 Subject: GG 7.10 refuses to boot on Asus M2N-X Plus mobo In-Reply-To: <200806151924.34765.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200806151833.24982.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <200806151924.34765.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: Hi tomorow morning I can answer exactly because the P.C is on my job, it was something like this : In the windows hard disk, I change the mode "auto" to "swa0" or something like this 2008/6/15 Nigel Henry : > On Sunday 15 June 2008 18:59, joris abadie wrote: >> HI, >> sorry for my poor english >> I have to an asus, and it was impossible with ubuntu,xubuntu.... >> I find the solution with two things : >> 1 - I change the R.A.M (I put kingstom memory, the same value) > > Hi Joris. I don't think that the memory is a problem, as I've been able to > install Fedora 8, Kubuntu Breezy, Archlinux, and Knoppix 5.0 boots ok. >> 2 - I change in the bios the parameter in the hard disk > > Which parameters did you change for the harddisk? >> With the two actes when I try ubuntu work in my Asus >> so I try again with xubuntu, kubuntu, ... and again it is work fine >> >> 2008/6/15 Nigel Henry : > > > No problemo with your English. I'm living in France, and my french is > terrible. > > A question. Which Asus mobo do you have? Is it the same M2N-X Plus as mine? > > Thanks for your reply. > > Nigel. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From temps.jo at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 17:57:11 2008 From: temps.jo at gmail.com (joris abadie) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:57:11 +0200 Subject: GG 7.10 refuses to boot on Asus M2N-X Plus mobo In-Reply-To: References: <200806151833.24982.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <200806151924.34765.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: tomorow I can give you the name of the bad RAM, and of my mother card, In first time I try all the bios that I find in "Asus.com" for my mother card but it was lost time. "En français", j'ai mis trois semaine avant de trouver la solution, et il a vraiment deux choses à faire, une seule ne suffit pas, pour mon P.C. Cordialement 2008/6/15 joris abadie : > Hi tomorow morning I can answer exactly because the P.C is on my job, > it was something like this : > In the windows hard disk, I change the mode "auto" to "swa0" or > something like this > > 2008/6/15 Nigel Henry : >> On Sunday 15 June 2008 18:59, joris abadie wrote: >>> HI, >>> sorry for my poor english >>> I have to an asus, and it was impossible with ubuntu,xubuntu.... >>> I find the solution with two things : >>> 1 - I change the R.A.M (I put kingstom memory, the same value) >> >> Hi Joris. I don't think that the memory is a problem, as I've been able to >> install Fedora 8, Kubuntu Breezy, Archlinux, and Knoppix 5.0 boots ok. >>> 2 - I change in the bios the parameter in the hard disk >> >> Which parameters did you change for the harddisk? >>> With the two actes when I try ubuntu work in my Asus >>> so I try again with xubuntu, kubuntu, ... and again it is work fine >>> >>> 2008/6/15 Nigel Henry : >> >> >> No problemo with your English. I'm living in France, and my french is >> terrible. >> >> A question. Which Asus mobo do you have? Is it the same M2N-X Plus as mine? >> >> Thanks for your reply. >> >> Nigel. >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 18:19:22 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:19:22 +0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4202462.X74lgjvuOU@cedar.serverforest.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <880dece00806150153m272ab824j18e436c62a0f0dac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806151119n5aeffa56lce7d43593a466ae5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/15 Michael Leone : >> Where can one find information about building an optimized kernel >> under Ubuntu? Googling uncovered some amateur websites written by >> self-proclaimed experts with 15 minutes experience (blogs) compiling >> kernels under Ubuntu, but where can one find information written by an >> experienced Linux system admin? > > Now, that's a good question. The answer is more along the lines of > knowing what is in your system, and so what options you can check off. > For example, if you know you have no SCSI cards, uncheck all of them; > it will make the compile go much faster. Ditto for things like > firewire support, or that odd I2C stuff. Also you could uncheck all > the other disk and network controllers, etc, that you don't have and > won't ever have. > > You do take the risk that if you add such a device in future, you will > need to re-compile to get it to work. But hey, everything's a > trade-off. :-) Thanks! >>> Any OS can be fine-tuned; I think his request was more of a general "How >>> do I fine tune my Linux installation?". Services that can be shut off, >>> etc. This is different for all users, of course. >> >> Where are some good places to start? > > Fraid I don't know of any for Linux. If it were Windows, I'd say Black > Viper's site. > > > He lists most of the popular services running under Windows, and when > and why you could turn them off. It does result in lower memory usage, > I know that. But I don't recall seeing a similar optimizing site for > Linux services. Oh, there are some you can easily figure out - turn > off telnet if you don't use it, and instead use only SSH, etc. > That's good to know and may help me slim the VirtualBox machine that I must run for SolidWorks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 18:30:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:30:07 +0300 Subject: Restore KDM3 after installing KDE4 Message-ID: <880dece00806151130k7d67554bhdefc1e0bf0cf5fb8@mail.gmail.com> I have installed KDE4 on a friend's computer, but moved her back to KDE3. The KDE3 Kcontrol cannot configure the KDE4 KDM login manager. How can I either configure the KDE4 login manager from KDE3, or make the KDE3 KDM the default login manager? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 18:36:39 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:36:39 +0300 Subject: Should I enable hdparm? Message-ID: <880dece00806151136u1ad7e401l3200c3c6c21fca8b@mail.gmail.com> I see lots of conflicting information about hdparm. I have a particularly sluggish Kubuntu 8.04 installation that I am trying to tweak. Can hdparm help with generally sluggishness? (delay when opening programs/files and sometimes delay in keyboard input) Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Jun 15 18:45:14 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Restore KDM3 after installing KDE4 In-Reply-To: <880dece00806151130k7d67554bhdefc1e0bf0cf5fb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806151130k7d67554bhdefc1e0bf0cf5fb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38103.67.159.56.82.1213555514.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> > I have installed KDE4 on a friend's computer, but moved her back to > KDE3. The KDE3 Kcontrol cannot configure the KDE4 KDM login manager. > How can I either configure the KDE4 login manager from KDE3, or make > the KDE3 KDM the default login manager? Thanks in advance. > > Dotan Cohen > Either try reinstalling KDE3's kdm, which *should* offer you to the option to select which login manager you want to use, or run the command : 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm' (or 'kdm-kde4' either should work), which will bring up the same selection dialog. clay weber From troncoso at mundo-r.com Sun Jun 15 19:57:47 2008 From: troncoso at mundo-r.com (=?utf-8?q?Jos=C3=A9_Troncoso?=) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:57:47 +0200 Subject: Restore KDM3 after installing KDE4 In-Reply-To: <880dece00806151130k7d67554bhdefc1e0bf0cf5fb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806151130k7d67554bhdefc1e0bf0cf5fb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806152157.47477.troncoso@mundo-r.com> On Sunday 15 June 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > How can I either configure the KDE4 login manager from KDE3, or make > the KDE3 KDM the default login manager? Thanks in advance. Open Konsole and run this command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm -- José A. Fernández Troncoso http://www.troncoso.info Linux User #454805 From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 21:29:15 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:29:15 +0300 Subject: Restore KDM3 after installing KDE4 In-Reply-To: <38103.67.159.56.82.1213555514.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <880dece00806151130k7d67554bhdefc1e0bf0cf5fb8@mail.gmail.com> <38103.67.159.56.82.1213555514.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806151429r70b77245r40199b06221bda28@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/15 : > Either try reinstalling KDE3's kdm, which *should* offer you to the option > to select which login manager you want to use, or run the command : 'sudo > dpkg-reconfigure kdm' (or 'kdm-kde4' either should work), which will bring > up the same selection dialog. > > clay weber > Thank you, dpkg-reconfigure was just what I needed. Other than presenting the login screen differently, is there any advantage / disadvantage to using the KDE3 or KDE 4 KDM? Does the system run the same no matter which one is used? I only ask because the program must remain as an active service while the machine is on, so obviously it is doing _something_. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Jun 15 21:45:58 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:45:58 -0400 Subject: Restore KDM3 after installing KDE4 In-Reply-To: <880dece00806151429r70b77245r40199b06221bda28@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806151130k7d67554bhdefc1e0bf0cf5fb8@mail.gmail.com> <38103.67.159.56.82.1213555514.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <880dece00806151429r70b77245r40199b06221bda28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806151745.58759.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Sun June 15 2008 5:29:15 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Thank you, dpkg-reconfigure was just what I needed. > > Other than presenting the login screen differently, is there any > advantage / disadvantage to using the KDE3 or KDE 4 KDM? Does the > system run the same no matter which one is used? I only ask because > the program must remain as an active service while the machine is on, > so obviously it is doing _something_. > > Dotan Cohen Nope, your choice on login manager as far as I can tell should have no effect on how your DE operates. You can use KDM, kdm-kde4, gdm (from Gnome) xdm, wdm, or sdm. I don't see any real differences visually between the 2 kdm's, but I am sure that KDE4's probably has more bug fixes and the like. The only difference between the other login managers are what options they all provide. wdm and xdm are more basic, and GDM I believe has a 'failsafe' mode if your xorg settings get shot. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Jun 15 21:51:10 2008 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (claydoh) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:51:10 -0400 Subject: Should I enable hdparm? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806151136u1ad7e401l3200c3c6c21fca8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806151136u1ad7e401l3200c3c6c21fca8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806151751.10188.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Sun June 15 2008 2:36:39 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: > I see lots of conflicting information about hdparm. I have a > particularly sluggish Kubuntu 8.04 installation that I am trying to > tweak. Can hdparm help with generally sluggishness? (delay when > opening programs/files and sometimes delay in keyboard input) > > Dotan Cohen You can easily test out the changes by issuing the various commands and seeing if they help any before committing them to your hdparm config file. The settings issued by command line are not saved for the next boot unless you modify the file. I doubt it will make a drastic difference, but your read/write speed might increase a little, but noticeably. I doubt it will help any keyboard delay. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From james at gray.net.au Sun Jun 15 21:40:51 2008 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:40:51 +1000 Subject: Should I enable hdparm? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806151136u1ad7e401l3200c3c6c21fca8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806151136u1ad7e401l3200c3c6c21fca8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8EC576BC-AE0A-40E6-AEFA-54A760BBF26F@gray.net.au> On 16/06/2008, at 4:36 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I see lots of conflicting information about hdparm. I have a > particularly sluggish Kubuntu 8.04 installation that I am trying to > tweak. Can hdparm help with generally sluggishness? (delay when > opening programs/files and sometimes delay in keyboard input) > > Dotan Cohen Depends on what is causing the delays. If your hard drive is PATA and not running in DMA mode, then hdparm will help. If your drive is SATA, then hdparm will be of limited help. Best option is to do some digging (top, vmstat, strace, ltrace etc) and see what is causing the hold up. Cheers, James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2417 bytes Desc: not available URL: From juankawada at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 23:50:21 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:50:21 -0600 Subject: 8.04 crash, errors on sda6, won't boot up In-Reply-To: <48549489.70204@charter.net> References: <3235aa2e0806141749x3333bb5bg9e3ed442822e7a96@mail.gmail.com> <48549489.70204@charter.net> Message-ID: looks like it was fixed. On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Jonathan Dlouhy wrote: > Which file system are you using? > > Stephen Ransom wrote: > > I just installed a game with wine, and when I started it up my > > computer crashed. I was forced to restart, but now kubuntu won't boot > > up. It does a disk check and fails around 94% when it gets to sda 6 > > saying that the check failed, the root file system needs to be > > mounted in read only, and a maintenance shell is opened. I have no > > Idea what to do in the maintenance shell, or even what needs to be > > fixed. any ideas? > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juankawada at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 01:51:36 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:51:36 -0600 Subject: screen casting recording at very low fps Message-ID: I've tried record my desktop, Istanbul, and XvidCap, but none of them seem to record well on my system. RMD and Istanbul slow the system down, and capture at a very low fps, and XvidCap just stops responding when I run it. I'm thinking that It may just be my video card and theres nothing i can do, but I thought I'd ask if anyone knew how to improve framerate, or knew of any other programs I might try. I'm using an ATI radeon 2600 HD PRO, and have 2 GBs of ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 03:18:14 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:18:14 +0300 Subject: Should I enable hdparm? In-Reply-To: <8EC576BC-AE0A-40E6-AEFA-54A760BBF26F@gray.net.au> References: <880dece00806151136u1ad7e401l3200c3c6c21fca8b@mail.gmail.com> <8EC576BC-AE0A-40E6-AEFA-54A760BBF26F@gray.net.au> Message-ID: <880dece00806152018x3e7a9f84tc887054cdb9ae753@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/16 James Gray : > Depends on what is causing the delays. If your hard drive is PATA and not > running in DMA mode, then hdparm will help. If your drive is SATA, then > hdparm will be of limited help. > > Best option is to do some digging (top, vmstat, strace, ltrace etc) and see > what is causing the hold up. > > Cheers, > > James Thanks. There are two IDE drives on this machine, so I will start exploring. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From nigel at rmk.co.il Mon Jun 16 09:25:20 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:25:20 +0300 Subject: Printing Problem with Hardy In-Reply-To: <200806131224.25673.michael@weblore.com> References: <200806131224.25673.michael@weblore.com> Message-ID: <48563180.1010707@rmk.co.il> Michael Satterwhite wrote: > Last Sunday, I upgraded to Hardy. At that time, my printer (HP Photosmart > D5360) was printing correctly. This morning, I tried to run the hp-toolbox to > check Ink levels. When I did, I got the error message: > > error: CUPSEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation. > > That seemed like there was a problem in the upgrade routine for HPLIP. I then > uninstalled and reinstalled HPLIP. At that point, everything was broken. I > can no longer print at all. Trying to run hp-toolbox gets the same error. > > While I can live without hp-toolbox (I'd rather not!), I *DO* need to get my > printer going again asap. Can anyone suggest a fix? > > ---Michael > Have you installed the relevant 'gutenburg' apps (they contain the drivers and are not installed by default). Blessings, Nigel -- OliveRoot Ministries http://www.oliveroot.net/ PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Jun 15 02:40:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:40:32 -0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4202462.X74lgjvuOU@cedar.serverforest.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> Message-ID: <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> Michael Leone wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Robert Tilley wrote: >> >>> What are the major obstacles to running a lightning-fast Linux >>> workstation with easy package management? >>> >>> Kubuntu is a dream for ease of installation and application management. >>> This >>> comes at a price. Kubuntu must run on a generic PC with as many drivers >>> as possible. >> >> And the "price" is what? > > Bloat? Using generic drivers, possibly, instead of optimized ones. Many > more options compiled into the kernel, that aren't needed by your > specific installation, perhaps. Perhaps - yet all bench marks show no noticeable improvement. > > Any OS can be fine-tuned; I think his request was more of a general "How > do I fine tune my Linux installation?". Well, no, his request was "how do I make Kubuntu as fast as my friend's Gentoo?", and I say run it on the same hardware. I'm sure he can fine tune a few parameters in the kernel, but if he can prove a speed difference that would be obvious to a user, I'll eat a hat... > Services that can be shut off, Agreed, services make a huge difference. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 16 12:44:58 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:44:58 -0300 Subject: 8.04 in Windows References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> <48531BA2.5030800@mike-leone.com> <5279580.gTsKpU0kut@cedar.serverforest.com> <48548140.4020609@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2601537.bhd7acMTye@cedar.serverforest.com> Billie Walsh wrote: > Well, I tried the WUBI install. Sucks big time. Doesn't set up any > hardware. Can't do any software installs because it can't get to the > repos. I've seen a lot of reviews, and that's not an issue that comes up... > It also doesn't just set up an icon on the desktop. It uses the > Windows boot manager to choose the OS to boot up instead of Grub. Well, how else would you do it? Once upon a time, it used to be possible to run the linux boot loader from DOS, but that hasn't been an option since Windows stopped actually using DOS. For a system that is supposed to not require removal or repartitioning of Windows, it certainly makes sense to use the Windows boot loader. > First I tried the WUBI install from the install disk. Didn't even work. > Downloaded the WUBI installer from the site on Source Forge. It worked. That's no huge surprise - the one on the install disk is presumably not as up-to-date. > > Then when you un-install it doesn't completely cleanup after itself. The > Windows boot loader is still jacked. That is unfortunate - because I've tried modifying that $%^&* Vista boot loader myself, and it really isn't an option for the normal user. -- derek From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Jun 16 13:26:03 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:26:03 -0400 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 14 June 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > Well, no, his request was "how do I make Kubuntu as fast as my friend's > Gentoo?", and I say run it on the same hardware.  I'm sure he can fine tune > a few parameters in the kernel, but if he can prove a speed difference that > would be obvious to a user, I'll eat a hat... I would agree with this... I would doubt that any *normal* user would be able to see a difference by tweaking the kernel unless that user is doing something VERY heavy with their computer, like weather analysis or such... and that makes them an abnormal computer user. The normal things that would affect the observed speed of a computer would be: CPU speed RAM (if in short supply) Disk I/O all of which are hardware. No amount of software tweaking is going to make much difference unless there is a serious problem with the software setup. From michael at weblore.com Mon Jun 16 14:47:25 2008 From: michael at weblore.com (Michael Satterwhite) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:47:25 -0500 Subject: Printing Problem with Hardy (*SOLVED) In-Reply-To: <48563180.1010707@rmk.co.il> References: <200806131224.25673.michael@weblore.com> <48563180.1010707@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200806160947.26034.michael@weblore.com> On Monday 16 June 2008 04:25:20 Nigel Ridley wrote: > Michael Satterwhite wrote: > > Last Sunday, I upgraded to Hardy. At that time, my printer (HP Photosmart > > D5360) was printing correctly. This morning, I tried to run the > > hp-toolbox to check Ink levels. When I did, I got the error message: > > > > error: CUPSEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation. > > > > That seemed like there was a problem in the upgrade routine for HPLIP. I > > then uninstalled and reinstalled HPLIP. At that point, everything was > > broken. I can no longer print at all. Trying to run hp-toolbox gets the > > same error. > > > > While I can live without hp-toolbox (I'd rather not!), I *DO* need to get > > my printer going again asap. Can anyone suggest a fix? > > > > ---Michael > > Have you installed the relevant 'gutenburg' apps (they contain the drivers > and are not installed by default). That might have been it and would be consistent with what was observed. The printer started failing after I removed and reinstalled HPLIP from the repositories. My fix was a bit more brute force. As the problem started after I reinstalled HPLIP from the repositories, I downloaded the most current version of HPLIP from the HP site and installed that (not using apt). That package contains the actual printer support, of course. After that was done, everything was working correctly. From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 15:10:57 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:10:57 -0600 Subject: How to fix time? Message-ID: <48568281.7000709@gmail.com> We had a long power cut here last week when I was away. Now that I'm back, I notice that my clock is wrong... and the stupid thing is that I can't figure out how to force it to use NTP (which is what it was using before the power cut; I have no idea why it's no longer using it). Can someone please post instructions? I've done what I thought were the obvious things -- "Adjust Data & Time", but the option to use NTP is greyed out, even if I enter administrator mode. Similarly, I see that the ntp service isn't running any more, but I don't see any way to turn it on (I have set it to start at boot, but that doesn't seem to work. I have tried grepping "dmesg" and /var/log/messages for "ntp" but there are no entries). So if someone can explain how I can turn ntp back on, I would very much appreciate it. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 15:14:02 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:14:02 -0600 Subject: How to fix time? In-Reply-To: <48568281.7000709@gmail.com> References: <48568281.7000709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4856833A.3020302@gmail.com> D. R. Evans said the following at 06/16/2008 09:10 AM : > Now that I'm back, I notice that my clock is wrong... and the stupid thing > is that I can't figure out how to force it to use NTP (which is what it was > using before the power cut; I have no idea why it's no longer using it). > Hmmm... actually, it's worse than that. I can't change the time at all :-( Any option to do so seems to be greyed out. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jun 16 15:38:34 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:38:34 -0500 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <2601537.bhd7acMTye@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> <48531BA2.5030800@mike-leone.com> <5279580.gTsKpU0kut@cedar.serverforest.com> <48548140.4020609@swbell.net> <2601537.bhd7acMTye@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <485688FA.8020302@swbell.net> On 06/16/2008 Derek Broughton wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > > > > Well, I tried the WUBI install. Sucks big time. Doesn't set up any > > > hardware. Can't do any software installs because it can't get to the > > > repos. > > I've seen a lot of reviews, and that's not an issue that comes up... > > > > It also doesn't just set up an icon on the desktop. It uses the > > > Windows boot manager to choose the OS to boot up instead of Grub. > > Well, how else would you do it? Once upon a time, it used to be possible to > run the linux boot loader from DOS, but that hasn't been an option since > Windows stopped actually using DOS. For a system that is supposed to not > require removal or repartitioning of Windows, it certainly makes sense to > use the Windows boot loader. > > From what I had read and sort of understood it was supposed to run Kubuntu "from" Windows and within Windows. Of course it could just be "my" understooder that was wrong but.............. I guess I'll just say screw the warranty and do a normal dual boot and pray it doesn't bite me in the bum . -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From turgon at mike-leone.com Mon Jun 16 15:57:27 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:57:27 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <485688FA.8020302@swbell.net> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> <48531BA2.5030800@mike-leone.com> <5279580.gTsKpU0kut@cedar.serverforest.com> <48548140.4020609@swbell.net> <2601537.bhd7acMTye@cedar.serverforest.com> <485688FA.8020302@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 06/16/2008 Derek Broughton wrote: >> Billie Walsh wrote: >> >> > > Well, I tried the WUBI install. Sucks big time. Doesn't set up any >> > > hardware. Can't do any software installs because it can't get to the >> > > repos. >> >> I've seen a lot of reviews, and that's not an issue that comes up... >> >> > > It also doesn't just set up an icon on the desktop. It uses the >> > > Windows boot manager to choose the OS to boot up instead of Grub. >> >> Well, how else would you do it? Once upon a time, it used to be > possible to >> run the linux boot loader from DOS, but that hasn't been an option since >> Windows stopped actually using DOS. For a system that is supposed to not >> require removal or repartitioning of Windows, it certainly makes sense to >> use the Windows boot loader. >> >> > > From what I had read and sort of understood it was supposed to run > Kubuntu "from" Windows and within Windows. Like VMware does, as a sort of VM? I thought that, too, then saw a review that seemed to indicate otherwise ... -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 15:58:48 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:58:48 +0200 Subject: How to fix time? In-Reply-To: <4856833A.3020302@gmail.com> References: <48568281.7000709@gmail.com> <4856833A.3020302@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/16 D. R. Evans : > D. R. Evans said the following at 06/16/2008 09:10 AM : > >> Now that I'm back, I notice that my clock is wrong... and the stupid thing >> is that I can't figure out how to force it to use NTP (which is what it was >> using before the power cut; I have no idea why it's no longer using it). >> > > Hmmm... actually, it's worse than that. I can't change the time at all :-( > > Any option to do so seems to be greyed out. > > Doc > Hi! I would use our old friend the console to eliminate errors in the GUI tools. To set the system date and time manually you can use the date command or to sync with an ntp server the ntpdate command. Try to start the ntp server from an console to see if you got some output. To sync the system clock to the hardware clock you can use hwclock. I think there is a setting to sync system clock to hardware at shutdown. / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 16:16:54 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:16:54 +0200 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <646a014e0806130805r186c6dacr8ee7c16737142161@mail.gmail.com> <4852997C.8070003@swbell.net> <4852EB05.5010107@candt.waitrose.com> <48531BA2.5030800@mike-leone.com> <5279580.gTsKpU0kut@cedar.serverforest.com> <48548140.4020609@swbell.net> <2601537.bhd7acMTye@cedar.serverforest.com> <485688FA.8020302@swbell.net> Message-ID: 2008/6/16 Michael Leone : > Like VMware does, as a sort of VM? I thought that, too, then saw a > review that seemed to indicate otherwise ... > > -- > Michael J. Leone > Hi! It's not a virtual machine or emulator it's the real Ubuntu running from loopback mounted disk-image as far as i understand it (I have not tested it). More info can be found at: http://wubi-installer.org/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu) / Jonas From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 16:14:24 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:14:24 -0600 Subject: How to fix time? In-Reply-To: <4856833A.3020302@gmail.com> References: <48568281.7000709@gmail.com> <4856833A.3020302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48569160.7000704@gmail.com> D. R. Evans said the following at 06/16/2008 09:14 AM : > D. R. Evans said the following at 06/16/2008 09:10 AM : > >> Now that I'm back, I notice that my clock is wrong... and the stupid thing >> is that I can't figure out how to force it to use NTP (which is what it was >> using before the power cut; I have no idea why it's no longer using it). >> > > Hmmm... actually, it's worse than that. I can't change the time at all :-( > And it's even worse than that :-( It seems that the System Settings tool will no longer let me switch to "Administrator Mode" for any tool that requires root access. All that happens when I enter the password is that the machine thinks for a few seconds and then goes back to the ordinary non-administrator screen. So now this is getting to be an increasingly desperate cry for help. All this stuff worked perfectly before the power cut. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Mon Jun 16 16:25:27 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:25:27 +0200 Subject: How to fix time? In-Reply-To: <4856833A.3020302@gmail.com> References: <48568281.7000709@gmail.com> <4856833A.3020302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806161825.27761.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Monday 16 June 2008 17:14, D. R. Evans wrote: > D. R. Evans said the following at 06/16/2008 09:10 AM : > > Now that I'm back, I notice that my clock is wrong... and the stupid > > thing is that I can't figure out how to force it to use NTP (which is > > what it was using before the power cut; I have no idea why it's no longer > > using it). > > Hmmm... actually, it's worse than that. I can't change the time at all :-( > > Any option to do so seems to be greyed out. > > Doc Hi Doc. Odd that the set the time and date is greyed, but just having installed F8 on a machine I've just built, and trying to set the time, which was seriously out of time, I found the set time and date greyed out too. Anyway back to your problem, and I'm not able to get into Kubuntu GG at the mo, because of updating another distro. No not that one. Have a look in /etc/ntp.conf, and write down the name of one of the servers, then do: sudo ntpdate -u (obviously changing for the name of one of your timeservers) If the ntp daemon is running, it uses port 123, and the -u in the above command allows ntpdate to use an alternative port. Not sure of the command to stop and start services, as I use various distros, and they are all a bit different. On my Debian installs I installed the package sysv-rc-conf, and that allows you to stop and start services. I think it's available on Kubuntu as well. All the best. Nigel. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 17:21:08 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:21:08 +0300 Subject: .bash_profile can create hell Message-ID: <4856A104.2010901@gmail.com> for the last hour i was having hell with my computer, every time i type my password in the login screen (kdm) and hit enter, x restarts. i can log in in console normally, but not graphically, i searched a lot using windows to no avail, but then i remembered i edited $HOME/.bash_profile last time i was using linux (as instructed by some tutorial), i can mount my ext3 partitions in windows, so decided to take a look at the file, and found it wrong, there was "ls" in its begining and end, somehow i typed something wrong in konsole, so i went back to linux, logged in in console and renamed the file, and voila, i can login graphically. now this makes me wonder, first, what effect does a bash settings file have on kde? secondly, can it be that serious as to f*** up a system?! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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I'm sure he can fine tune >> a few parameters in the kernel, but if he can prove a speed difference that >> would be obvious to a user, I'll eat a hat... > > I would agree with this... > > I would doubt that any *normal* user would be able to see a difference by > tweaking the kernel unless that user is doing something VERY heavy with their > computer, like weather analysis or such... and that makes them an abnormal > computer user. > > The normal things that would affect the observed speed of a computer would be: > > CPU speed > RAM (if in short supply) > Disk I/O > > all of which are hardware. > > No amount of software tweaking is going to make much difference unless there > is a serious problem with the software setup. Like poor buggy SATA performance in K/Ubuntu? Like useless heavy debug messages junks from almost all KDE applications pushed along pipelines and written back to disk in file .xsession-errors each time you use a KDE program? Maybe that stupid default atime update that imply you need to know when each single file has bean read? (do you?) Or maybe that SVG rendering engine that suck memory and CPU each time it update a damaged region after a window move, just because you have a very nice Hardy Heron SVG drawing as your desktop background? I agree, there are things users can do to improve performance in Kubuntu, like avoiding SVG backgrounds. There are other things like SATA slowness, poor choices in default mount options that require wise knowledge to be fixed. -- Léa Gris - http://www.noiraude.net/ () Campagne du ruban texte brut contre les courriels en HTML, /\ contre les pièces jointes dans un format propriétaire. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From lists at ptfd.org Mon Jun 16 17:41:40 2008 From: lists at ptfd.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:41:40 -0400 Subject: Printing to Xerox DC340 HELP Message-ID: <200806161341.40682.lists@ptfd.org> Has anyone EVER been able to print to a xerox dc340? I cant seem to eve get it to work, I have the ppd loade and it shows up. I am able to use the printers web interface to print a ps file. ANY help is appreciated. Mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 17:46:49 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:46:49 +0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> Message-ID: <4856A709.4080308@gmail.com> Lea Gris wrote: > > Like poor buggy SATA performance in K/Ubuntu? > > > Like useless heavy debug messages junks from almost all KDE applications > pushed along pipelines and written back to disk in file .xsession-errors > each time you use a KDE program? > > Maybe that stupid default atime update that imply you need to know when > each single file has bean read? (do you?) > > Or maybe that SVG rendering engine that suck memory and CPU each time it > update a damaged region after a window move, just because you have a > very nice Hardy Heron SVG drawing as your desktop background? > > I agree, there are things users can do to improve performance in > Kubuntu, like avoiding SVG backgrounds. > > There are other things like SATA slowness, poor choices in default mount > options that require wise knowledge to be fixed. > well, can you be helpful as to how can we avoid these stuff you mentioned? i'm aware of the atime problem for example from the days of windows, but have no idea about the others, or even if i'm using SVG or not :P what does SVG stands for anyway? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra : >> Like poor buggy SATA performance in K/Ubuntu? >> >> >> Like useless heavy debug messages junks from almost all KDE applications >> pushed along pipelines and written back to disk in file .xsession-errors >> each time you use a KDE program? >> >> Maybe that stupid default atime update that imply you need to know when >> each single file has bean read? (do you?) >> >> Or maybe that SVG rendering engine that suck memory and CPU each time it >> update a damaged region after a window move, just because you have a >> very nice Hardy Heron SVG drawing as your desktop background? >> >> I agree, there are things users can do to improve performance in >> Kubuntu, like avoiding SVG backgrounds. >> >> There are other things like SATA slowness, poor choices in default mount >> options that require wise knowledge to be fixed. >> > > well, can you be helpful as to how can we avoid these stuff you > mentioned? i'm aware of the atime problem for example from the days of > windows, but have no idea about the others, or even if i'm using SVG or > not :P what does SVG stands for anyway? > SVG: scalable vector graphics. If you are using a jpg gif or png background then this won't bite you. As for the other stuff, I'd like to hear more as well. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From pfrancq at ulb.ac.be Mon Jun 16 18:48:54 2008 From: pfrancq at ulb.ac.be (Pascal Francq) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:48:54 +0200 Subject: Problem with the DNS address Message-ID: <200806162048.54479.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> Hi, I use a laptop : 1. At work, I have a static IP adress and a given DNS adress. 2. At home, I use the Wifi (the DNS adress is the one of my router). Each I come at work again, the DNS address of my work is forgiven. I suppose that networkmanager changes the correct DNS address each time I am connected at home. How can I make the right DNS server changes when my static IP address is working? I suppose there must some kind of script to change. Thanks. -- Prof. Pascal Francq Digital Information Chair Université Libre de Bruxelles Department of Information and Communication Sciences Avenue F.D. Roosevelt, 50 CP 123 B-1050 Brussels BELGIUM Phone: +32-2-650 47 65 Fax: +32-2-650 39 21 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From karlok at fastmail.fm Mon Jun 16 19:37:45 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl Klinger) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:37:45 -0700 Subject: How to fix time? In-Reply-To: <48569160.7000704@gmail.com> References: <48568281.7000709@gmail.com> <4856833A.3020302@gmail.com> <48569160.7000704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4856C109.3000203@fastmail.fm> D. R. Evans wrote: > And it's even worse than that :-( > > It seems that the System Settings tool will no longer let me switch to > "Administrator Mode" for any tool that requires root access. All that > happens when I enter the password is that the machine thinks for a few > seconds and then goes back to the ordinary non-administrator screen. > Maybe you're no longer in the admin group? The "groups" command will tell you what groups you're in. If you're not in the admin group, you will have to boot into recovery mode and use the command "addgroup yourid admin". Karl From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 16 20:07:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:07:53 -0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> Message-ID: <11047009.qcEY8mURae@cedar.serverforest.com> Lea Gris wrote: > Bruce Marshall a écrit : >> On Saturday 14 June 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Well, no, his request was "how do I make Kubuntu as fast as my friend's >>> Gentoo?", and I say run it on the same hardware. I'm sure he can fine >>> tune a few parameters in the kernel, but if he can prove a speed >>> difference that would be obvious to a user, I'll eat a hat... >> >> I would agree with this... >> >> I would doubt that any *normal* user would be able to see a difference by >> tweaking the kernel unless that user is doing something VERY heavy with >> their >> computer, like weather analysis or such... and that makes them an >> abnormal computer user. >> >> The normal things that would affect the observed speed of a computer >> would be: >> >> CPU speed >> RAM (if in short supply) >> Disk I/O >> >> all of which are hardware. >> >> No amount of software tweaking is going to make much difference unless >> there is a serious problem with the software setup. > > Like poor buggy SATA performance in K/Ubuntu? > What "software tweak" is going to solve this? It's been open for exactly a year, and I don't see that anyone has even defined the "bug", let alone come up with a fix. > Like useless heavy debug messages junks from almost all KDE applications > pushed along pipelines and written back to disk in file .xsession-errors > each time you use a KDE program? Again, what "tweak" is going to fix that. You'd have to recompile _all_ those apps. I agree that too many apps pour too much crap into the logs (all the Network Manager data going to syslog comes to mind too - trying to figure out what caused my wife's system to hand recently, I see NM is now logging every new hardware registration in Hal - whether it's network or not!) but it's not something that can be resolved with a tweak. > Maybe that stupid default atime update that imply you need to know when > each single file has bean read? (do you?) OK, that's a simple tweak - can you provide any evidence that turning atime off will make any _noticeable_ difference to the user experience, though? > > Or maybe that SVG rendering engine that suck memory and CPU each time it > update a damaged region after a window move, just because you have a > very nice Hardy Heron SVG drawing as your desktop background? > > I agree, there are things users can do to improve performance in > Kubuntu, like avoiding SVG backgrounds. > > There are other things like SATA slowness, poor choices in default mount > options that require wise knowledge to be fixed. And possibly default Gentoo setups _are_ much faster - but unless the OP is prepared to test Kubuntu versus Gentoo on the same machine, it's pointless to ask how to make his system as responsive as his friend's. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 20:17:42 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:17:42 +0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <11047009.qcEY8mURae@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> <11047009.qcEY8mURae@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806161317l307114d2ne1d08efa0178e8a9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/16 Derek Broughton : > And possibly default Gentoo setups _are_ much faster - but unless the OP is > prepared to test Kubuntu versus Gentoo on the same machine, it's pointless > to ask how to make his system as responsive as his friend's. Besides, responsiveness is what women want from _us_, not what we want... Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jun 16 20:11:48 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:11:48 -0400 Subject: 8.04 in Windows In-Reply-To: <14112519.vdttvWEEAK@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <485282AE.5060108@swbell.net> <14112519.vdttvWEEAK@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200806161626.41522.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 13 June 2008 12:19:13 Derek Broughton wrote: > Rather irrelevant what they _say_, as I've had Dell refuse to honour my > warranty precisely because I had Linux installed. See http://linux.dell.com. Dell currently supports RHEL and Suse Enterprise (on servers), as well as *ubuntu on desktops. They have their own Ubuntu repos for proprietary drivers, and a customized install iso. They are currently only at Gutsy, but should have a Hardy version soon. > > > As for swapping out hard drives, as long as the Hard drive you put in is > > compatible with the system, the only thing your original laptop warranty > > will not cover is that new hard drive.   > > Not necessarily true.  At least one Dell I owned had a hardware warranty > that explicitly stated that the only internal component I could touch was > memory. That may be the case with the consumer line, but in the corporate line, we have the option of having a tech come out or doing it ourselves. The only thing they have insisted on their techs doing is motherboard replacements. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jun 16 20:38:51 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:38:51 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806121623.49129.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200806161639.05615.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 12 June 2008 22:46:52 George Hall wrote: > That is weird because I always looked at ms office and open office as > mopeds and been thinking of writing my own word processor to do what I need > to do. Good luck. While there are many legitimate complaints about both. Weak and immature are not legitimate criticisms of either. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 20:47:27 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:47:27 +0200 Subject: .bash_profile can create hell In-Reply-To: <4856A104.2010901@gmail.com> References: <4856A104.2010901@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/16 Willy K. Hamra : > for the last hour i was having hell with my computer, every time i type > my password in the login screen (kdm) and hit enter, x restarts. i can > log in in console normally, but not graphically, i searched a lot using > windows to no avail, but then i remembered i edited $HOME/.bash_profile > last time i was using linux (as instructed by some tutorial), i can > mount my ext3 partitions in windows, so decided to take a look at the > file, and found it wrong, there was "ls" in its begining and end, > somehow i typed something wrong in konsole, so i went back to linux, > logged in in console and renamed the file, and voila, i can login > graphically. > now this makes me wonder, first, what effect does a bash settings file > have on kde? secondly, can it be that serious as to f*** up a system?! > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net > Hi! I don't really agree that your system was fucked up, you could still log in and the fix was not that hard. If you mess with the login scripts and make an error the consequence can be fatal regardless what OS you running. Many program will use a shell-scripts to execute programs or manipulate your environment and so do KDE and it's programs. What i don't understand is why KDM want to read your .bash_profile? Bash (and other Bourne-shells i guess) will read and execute commands from one of ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, or ~/.profile only if it is running as an interactive login shell and why KDM would want an interactive login shell i have no idea. Perhaps some other know? In any case it looks like Ubuntu uses the ~/.profile file and if you add a ~/.bash_profile your ~/.profile will not be read and the ~/.profile is sourcing your ~/.bashrc so you will loose important settings. / Jonas From macariov at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 21:28:21 2008 From: macariov at gmail.com (macariov at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:28:21 +0000 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <200806161639.05615.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com><200806121623.49129.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org><200806161639.05615.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <641822463-1213651687-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1212880768-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Bloated and overkill, maybe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Art Alexion Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:38:51 To:Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Subject: Re: Lightweight Office Suite On Thursday 12 June 2008 22:46:52 George Hall wrote: > That is weird because I always looked at ms office and open office as > mopeds and been thinking of writing my own word processor to do what I need > to do. Good luck. While there are many legitimate complaints about both. Weak and immature are not legitimate criticisms of either. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 22:32:50 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:32:50 +0300 Subject: How to print multiple files? Message-ID: <880dece00806161532y5b39205dn26f86281c40ae7c4@mail.gmail.com> How can one select many (~20) PDF files and have them all print? Additionally I'd like to configure them to print two pages per sheet, if that is possible. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From james at gray.net.au Mon Jun 16 09:19:34 2008 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:19:34 +1000 Subject: Should I enable hdparm? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806152018x3e7a9f84tc887054cdb9ae753@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806151136u1ad7e401l3200c3c6c21fca8b@mail.gmail.com> <8EC576BC-AE0A-40E6-AEFA-54A760BBF26F@gray.net.au> <880dece00806152018x3e7a9f84tc887054cdb9ae753@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48563026.50404@gray.net.au> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/16 James Gray : >> Depends on what is causing the delays. If your hard drive is PATA and not >> running in DMA mode, then hdparm will help. If your drive is SATA, then >> hdparm will be of limited help. >> >> Best option is to do some digging (top, vmstat, strace, ltrace etc) and see >> what is causing the hold up. >> >> Cheers, >> >> James > > Thanks. There are two IDE drives on this machine, so I will start exploring. No problem :) BTW, be careful with hdparm; I've corrupted file systems by forcing settings on drives/controllers that weren't supported. Contrary to "claydoh"'s advice, rather than just "issuing the various commands" (which I parsed as "randomly fiddling with settings using hdparm"), make sure you know what the change will do, how to test it, and whether or not it is supported by your drives/controller. You've been warned ;) Cheers, James From james at gray.net.au Tue Jun 17 06:21:30 2008 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:21:30 +1000 Subject: How to print multiple files? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806161532y5b39205dn26f86281c40ae7c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806161532y5b39205dn26f86281c40ae7c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1663FC15-7556-44D4-9B07-75C5116858A5@gray.net.au> On 17/06/2008, at 8:32 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > How can one select many (~20) PDF files and have them all print? > Additionally I'd like to configure them to print two pages per sheet, > if that is possible. Thanks. Certainly is possible :) Install the package "psutils" and assuming you have ghostscript installed, you can do this from the command line: for PDF in *.pdf do pdf2ps $PDF - | psnup -2 | lp done That will find every PDF file in the current directory, convert the PDF to Postscript, dump the result into "psnup" which will mash the postscript into a "2-up" format, then finally hand the PostScript to the default printer via "lp". You may also replace "| lp" with "> `basename $PDF .pdf`-2up.ps" (without the "") to create a Postscript file in 2-up format for each PDF. If you'd prefer 4-up, replace "psnup -2" with "psnup -4". Similarly, if your printer can do duplex (double sided printing) you can tell it to print both sides with "lp -o sides=two-sided-short-edge" instead of plain old "lp". If you'd prefer the 2-up converted documents back in PDF format: for DOC in *-2up.ps do ps2pdf $DOC `basename $DOC .ps` done HTH, James From james at gray.net.au Tue Jun 17 06:29:05 2008 From: james at gray.net.au (James Gray) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:29:05 +1000 Subject: How to print multiple files? In-Reply-To: <1663FC15-7556-44D4-9B07-75C5116858A5@gray.net.au> References: <880dece00806161532y5b39205dn26f86281c40ae7c4@mail.gmail.com> <1663FC15-7556-44D4-9B07-75C5116858A5@gray.net.au> Message-ID: On 17/06/2008, at 4:21 PM, James Gray wrote: > If you'd prefer the 2-up converted documents back in > PDF format: > > for DOC in *-2up.ps > do > ps2pdf $DOC `basename $DOC .ps` > done *SLAP* Bad monkey!!! That line starting with ps2pdf should read: ps2pdf $DOC `basename $DOC .ps`.pdf Gah - more coffee! -- James From lea.gris at noiraude.net Tue Jun 17 07:29:43 2008 From: lea.gris at noiraude.net (Lea Gris) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:29:43 +0200 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <880dece00806161051pe3a8016vba8cc24baa25d0bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> <4856A709.4080308@gmail.com> <880dece00806161051pe3a8016vba8cc24baa25d0bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485767E7.60105@noiraude.net> Dotan Cohen a écrit : > SVG: scalable vector graphics. If you are using a jpg gif or png > background then this won't bite you. As for the other stuff, I'd like > to hear more as well. The new default background in Ubuntu is an SVG vector graphic representing a styled heron. This perticular background impact desktop performance somehow due to it beying heavy on CPU and memory do draw and redraw upon window moves unless you use compiz 3D rendering engine and effects. In this last case it just eat up memory for the entire layer. As for the SATA problems, comments on the launchpad bug entry says it all. You may be able to have it fixed with a custom compiled kernel bug I hadn't tested this so, it may me more complicated to get if fixed. By the way this one has significant impact on overall disk and application performances. About the atime default, this esayly fixed by editing /etc/fstab and adding noatime to the mount options like: /dev/sda1 UUID=bca9dde...7f8 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime 0 1 By the way, this last one is not a typically userfriendly adjustment. It require knowledge of linux filesystem options and behaviors as well as manipulationg the option on that fstab text file. At last, for the .xsession-errors: Just look at the size of this file just after one hour of use. Just look at what's inside this file (it is a plaintext log of application talks, huge and useless debug talks you won't need unless you are a developper. You can even have a taste of this all useless talk by invoking the Kde tools and programs via a shell window. This output gos stright to stderr or even stdout. If you launch from shell it dispaly on screen. Otherwise it is al redirected to the .xsession-errors file, thus each talk from applications you use on desktop need consant disk write access. Do you need this feature? Do you like performance impact with all this debug stuffs written to disk? I don't know how to fix this, realy this output should be turned off or silent by default and I guess theis has to be specified at compilation. The only thing you can do is softlink .xsession-errors to /dev/null, but you will have to redo it at each new sessions because it gets reset/erased uppon logout/login, or you wil need to protct the file with proper attributes to avoid the softlink to be removed. Regards -- Léa Gris - http://www.noiraude.net/ () Campagne du ruban texte brut contre les courriels en HTML, /\ contre les pièces jointes dans un format propriétaire. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 08:08:40 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:08:40 +0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <485767E7.60105@noiraude.net> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> <4856A709.4080308@gmail.com> <880dece00806161051pe3a8016vba8cc24baa25d0bc@mail.gmail.com> <485767E7.60105@noiraude.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806170108o58c93cadn7483d463a9634a28@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/17 Lea Gris : > Dotan Cohen a écrit : > >> SVG: scalable vector graphics. If you are using a jpg gif or png >> background then this won't bite you. As for the other stuff, I'd like >> to hear more as well. > > The new default background in Ubuntu is an SVG vector graphic > representing a styled heron. This perticular background impact desktop > performance somehow due to it beying heavy on CPU and memory do draw and > redraw upon window moves unless you use compiz 3D rendering engine and > effects. In this last case it just eat up memory for the entire layer. The default background is an svg?!? Wow. > As for the SATA problems, comments on the launchpad bug entry says it > all. You may be able to have it fixed with a custom compiled kernel bug > I hadn't tested this so, it may me more complicated to get if fixed. By > the way this one has significant impact on overall disk and application > performances. > > About the atime default, this esayly fixed by editing /etc/fstab and > adding noatime to the mount options like: > > /dev/sda1 UUID=bca9dde...7f8 / ext3 > defaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime 0 1 > > By the way, this last one is not a typically userfriendly adjustment. It > require knowledge of linux filesystem options and behaviors as well as > manipulationg the option on that fstab text file. > > At last, for the .xsession-errors: > Just look at the size of this file just after one hour of use. > Just look at what's inside this file (it is a plaintext log of > application talks, huge and useless debug talks you won't need unless > you are a developper. > You can even have a taste of this all useless talk by invoking the Kde > tools and programs via a shell window. This output gos stright to stderr > or even stdout. If you launch from shell it dispaly on screen. Otherwise > it is al redirected to the .xsession-errors file, thus each talk from > applications you use on desktop need consant disk write access. Do you > need this feature? Do you like performance impact with all this debug > stuffs written to disk? > > I don't know how to fix this, realy this output should be turned off or > silent by default and I guess theis has to be specified at compilation. > The only thing you can do is softlink .xsession-errors to /dev/null, but > you will have to redo it at each new sessions because it gets > reset/erased uppon logout/login, or you wil need to protct the file with > proper attributes to avoid the softlink to be removed. > > Regards > Linking error files to /dev/null is a bad idea. Even if some program is writing too much data to an error file, there are other programs that write to the file that one would _want_ to read. There is a reason that the file exists. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From tortise at paradise.net.nz Tue Jun 17 08:14:41 2008 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:14:41 +1200 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> <11047009.qcEY8mURae@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <011f01c8d052$31713ea0$6200a8c0@dp2000xp> Quote: And possibly default Gentoo setups _are_ much faster - but unless the OP is prepared to test Kubuntu versus Gentoo on the same machine, it's pointless to ask how to make his system as responsive as his friend's. -- derek Given he is a friend, why not take along another HDD similar to one of his (I hope its not RAID, which might be relevant all in itself!) swap them over and test (K)ubuntu on the same hardware? Why not work out some performance comparison script, such as turning on, doing something, and shutting down. Even just open and close a webpage in FF. Many of us would of course be interested. Kind regards The Tortise! -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 09:13:11 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:13:11 +0300 Subject: How to print multiple files? In-Reply-To: <1663FC15-7556-44D4-9B07-75C5116858A5@gray.net.au> References: <880dece00806161532y5b39205dn26f86281c40ae7c4@mail.gmail.com> <1663FC15-7556-44D4-9B07-75C5116858A5@gray.net.au> Message-ID: <880dece00806170213k77230f0cw205c263ed71770e4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/17 James Gray : > Certainly is possible :) Install the package "psutils" and assuming > you have ghostscript installed, you can do this from the command line: > > for PDF in *.pdf > do > pdf2ps $PDF - | psnup -2 | lp > done > > That will find every PDF file in the current directory, convert the > PDF to Postscript, dump the result into "psnup" which will mash the > postscript into a "2-up" format, then finally hand the PostScript to > the default printer via "lp". You may also replace "| lp" with "> > `basename $PDF .pdf`-2up.ps" (without the "") to create a Postscript > file in 2-up format for each PDF. > > If you'd prefer 4-up, replace "psnup -2" with "psnup -4". Similarly, > if your printer can do duplex (double sided printing) you can tell it > to print both sides with "lp -o sides=two-sided-short-edge" instead of > plain old "lp". If you'd prefer the 2-up converted documents back in > PDF format: > > for DOC in *-2up.ps > do > ps2pdf $DOC `basename $DOC .ps` > done > > HTH, > > James > Thank you James. The script seems very flexible and I will certainly use it. Unfortunately, the question is asked of a female user who I have turned into a Kubuntu user, so she needs a way to print the files directly from Konqueror. I think that one can add a service menu for that, though. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jun 17 10:53:48 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:53:48 -0300 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> <4856A709.4080308@gmail.com> <880dece00806161051pe3a8016vba8cc24baa25d0bc@mail.gmail.com> <485767E7.60105@noiraude.net> Message-ID: <1713734.NQJuzB2MJE@cedar.serverforest.com> Lea Gris wrote: > As for the SATA problems, comments on the launchpad bug entry says it > all. Not from my reading. I think it's safe to say that there _is_ a problem - too many people reporting measured throughputs that are ridiculously small - but I still see no evidence there that anybody has tracked down the bug. Nevertheless, it's a _bug_, not something that can, or should, be tweaked in an individual install. > About the atime default, this esayly fixed by editing /etc/fstab and > adding noatime to the mount options like: ... > At last, for the .xsession-errors: And for both of those, while you're right that they use resources, do you have any evidence at all that they're slowing things down enough for a user to notice? I don't think so. fwiw, I think trying to eliminate the writing to .xsession-errors is not a very good idea. You'll be sorry when you start encountering a problem with an X app. You _could_ modify all your .desktop files so that the command executed routes standard output to /dev/null -- derek From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 12:05:55 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:05:55 +0400 Subject: Problem with the DNS address In-Reply-To: <200806162048.54479.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> References: <200806162048.54479.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> Message-ID: <4857A8A3.4040005@gmail.com> Pascal Francq : > Hi, > I use a laptop : > 1. At work, I have a static IP adress and a given DNS adress. > 2. At home, I use the Wifi (the DNS adress is the one of my router). > Each I come at work again, the DNS address of my work is forgiven. I suppose > that networkmanager changes the correct DNS address each time I am connected > at home. > How can I make the right DNS server changes when my static IP address is > working? I suppose there must some kind of script to change. > Thanks. > Look at switchconf. DNS addresses are stored in /etc/resolv.conf From apt-cache show switchconf: Description: switch between system configuration sets Switchconf allows users to easily change their system's settings, choosing between the possible configurations for different environments. . Most switchconf users are laptop owners who want to change their network settings according to where they currently are - but there are many cases for non mobile systems to desire to choose between configuration sets. . Switchconf is a very simple script that takes its arguments from the command line. It allows you to maintain different sets of configurations, installing the desired set of configuration when called with its name as an argument, and execute a pre-specified set of commands before and after the switch. From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 13:57:11 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:57:11 +0300 Subject: Cannot access one's own files Message-ID: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> Now that testing time is over, I'm doing all the support for my victim's Kubuntu boxen. Sorry for the sudden swarm of threads, I've got 20+ converts :) On one particular Kubuntu 8.04 machine, Konqueror randomly does not let it's user open folders with UTF-8 (non-ASCII) names. In Konsole I can cd into the folders just fine, but in Konqueror the folders have a lock icon and return an error that the folder clicked on does not exist. I'd post the exact error message, but it is not in English. Reseting the computer solves the problem temporarily, but after some hours of operation the problem returns. Note that even though the error message states that the folder does not exist, the folder does appear in konqueror. I can even right click it and check it's permissions and ownership in Properties. The permissions and ownership are as they should be. The folders are regular folders, not mounted drives. What could cause this, and how to fix it? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Jun 17 17:30:14 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <1713734.NQJuzB2MJE@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> <4856A709.4080308@gmail.com> <880dece00806161051pe3a8016vba8cc24baa25d0bc@mail.gmail.com> <485767E7.60105@noiraude.net> <1713734.NQJuzB2MJE@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <32975.206.159.183.75.1213723814.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> On Tue, June 17, 2008 3:53 am, Derek Broughton wrote: > Lea Gris wrote: >> About the atime default, this esayly fixed by editing /etc/fstab and >> adding noatime to the mount options like: > ... >> At last, for the .xsession-errors: > And for both of those, while you're right that they use resources, do you > have any evidence at all that they're slowing things down enough for a user > to notice? I don't think so. Heck, I never noticed. I was actually quite happy with how responsive my KUbuntu install was compared to WinXP on the same box. Now that I'm back in the habit of shutting off my machine I often decide which OS to boot into when I sit down. Games, WinXP and go grab a soda. Email/Web/Some games/Watching videos, KUbuntu and I'm up and running long for XP would be set to go. Heck, even on my aged 667Mhz laptop I wouldn't consider KDE "slow" because of those things. One final point. The SVG background is Ubuntu, this is KUbuntu, how does that issue relate? Even more interestingly when I installed gnome-desktop to try gnome in case I need to give KDE the middle finger Gnome with the SVG background felt snappier than KDE without. -- Steve Lamb From spwhite at freesurf.ch Tue Jun 17 17:30:48 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:30:48 +0200 Subject: Cannot access one's own files In-Reply-To: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806171930.48740.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Tuesday 17 June 2008 15:57, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On one particular Kubuntu 8.04 machine, Konqueror randomly does not > let it's user open folders with UTF-8 (non-ASCII) names. Until I find a good answer to that, as well as making sure all the characters in a file's/folder's name are displayed correctly, I carefully avoid names including french accentuated characters (I also avoid spaces for a different reason) Actually I dont remember having ever encountered the problem of unrecognised names because of non ascii characters right away (on the machine the files/folders were created) but only when transferring those to/from another operating system (or even linux distro IIRC). [is is your case too?] Therefore, since the problem is likely to developp unnoticed for a long time it is important to give proper warning. When you have only a small number of cases I think the simplest thing to do is to manually rename them. Perry -- BOFH excuse #212: Of course it doesn't work, we've performed a software upgrade From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 18:06:22 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:06:22 +0300 Subject: Cannot access one's own files In-Reply-To: <200806171930.48740.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> <200806171930.48740.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <4857FD1E.8090502@gmail.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Tuesday 17 June 2008 15:57, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> On one particular Kubuntu 8.04 machine, Konqueror randomly does not >> let it's user open folders with UTF-8 (non-ASCII) names. > > Until I find a good answer to that, as well as making sure all the characters > in a file's/folder's name are displayed correctly, I carefully avoid names > including french accentuated characters (I also avoid spaces for a different > reason) > Actually I dont remember having ever encountered the problem of unrecognised > names because of non ascii characters right away (on the machine the > files/folders were created) but only when transferring those to/from another > operating system (or even linux distro IIRC). [is is your case too?] > Therefore, since the problem is likely to developp unnoticed for a long time > it is important to give proper warning. > When you have only a small number of cases I think the simplest thing to do is > to manually rename them. > > Perry > on my system, i usually get the weird charecters as squares in konqueror, whereas arabic names are displayed as question letters! a folder full of arabic names is basically a folder full of question marks, very annoying, but thankfully, this only happens if some friend inserted his/her cd, otherwise, i never use non-english names. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 18:55:30 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:55:30 +0300 Subject: Cannot access one's own files In-Reply-To: <200806171930.48740.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> <200806171930.48740.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <880dece00806171155j4a508a1fs4ab2c7ed4a47abd7@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/17 Sylviane et Perry White : > On Tuesday 17 June 2008 15:57, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> On one particular Kubuntu 8.04 machine, Konqueror randomly does not >> let it's user open folders with UTF-8 (non-ASCII) names. > > Until I find a good answer to that, as well as making sure all the characters > in a file's/folder's name are displayed correctly, I carefully avoid names > including french accentuated characters (I also avoid spaces for a different > reason) > Actually I dont remember having ever encountered the problem of unrecognised > names because of non ascii characters right away (on the machine the > files/folders were created) but only when transferring those to/from another > operating system (or even linux distro IIRC). [is is your case too?] > Therefore, since the problem is likely to developp unnoticed for a long time > it is important to give proper warning. > When you have only a small number of cases I think the simplest thing to do is > to manually rename them. > > Perry > For us the use of non-ASCII characters is important. There are some words and ideas that cannot be expressed easily in English. I have been using various Linux distros since 2001 and have been using nothing but Linux since 2005, so I am convinced that any user with a UTF-8 locale should be able to use non-ASCII filenames. Changing user habit is not the way to solve problems. Especially as this is an intermittent problem, and one confined to a single version of a single distro. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 18:56:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:56:10 +0300 Subject: Cannot access one's own files In-Reply-To: <4857FD1E.8090502@gmail.com> References: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> <200806171930.48740.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4857FD1E.8090502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806171156u38509c39v64491327d0515d08@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/17 Willy K. Hamra : > on my system, i usually get the weird charecters as squares in > konqueror, whereas arabic names are displayed as question letters! a > folder full of arabic names is basically a folder full of question > marks, very annoying, but thankfully, this only happens if some friend > inserted his/her cd, otherwise, i never use non-english names. > Willy, Windows can be configured to use UTF-8, but it is not the default. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 19:02:23 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:02:23 +0200 Subject: Cannot access one's own files In-Reply-To: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/17 Dotan Cohen : > Now that testing time is over, I'm doing all the support for my > victim's Kubuntu boxen. Sorry for the sudden swarm of threads, I've > got 20+ converts :) > > On one particular Kubuntu 8.04 machine, Konqueror randomly does not > let it's user open folders with UTF-8 (non-ASCII) names. In Konsole I > can cd into the folders just fine, but in Konqueror the folders have a > lock icon and return an error that the folder clicked on does not > exist. I'd post the exact error message, but it is not in English. > Reseting the computer solves the problem temporarily, but after some > hours of operation the problem returns. > > Note that even though the error message states that the folder does > not exist, the folder does appear in konqueror. I can even right click > it and check it's permissions and ownership in Properties. The > permissions and ownership are as they should be. The folders are > regular folders, not mounted drives. > > What could cause this, and how to fix it? Thanks in advance. > > Dotan Cohen > I have seen this kind of error before with my Kubuntu Gutsy. I never figured out why but think it was when i transferred files from other media/computers so could this be a misconfigured locale settings? If it's some locale error you could try to convert the folder/file name to UTF-8 with convmv. Do the error reappear on the same folders that worked after an reboot? / Jonas From art.alexion at verizon.net Tue Jun 17 19:10:41 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:10:41 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <641822463-1213651687-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1212880768-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806161639.05615.art.alexion@verizon.net> <641822463-1213651687-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1212880768-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <200806171510.52148.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 16 June 2008 5:28:21 pm macariov at gmail.com wrote: > Bloated and overkill, maybe Top posting in replay to a thread that already using bottom posting really makes reading difficult. I am not usually one to care about one or the other, but doing both makes it really difficult to follow. As for your comment, I agree that for many people MS and Open Office suites are bloated and overkill, but that wasn't what George Hall's criticism was. He referred to them as Mopeds (exceedingly simple vehicles), not Hummers (bloated, overkill vehicles for suburban nitwits.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Art Alexion > > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:38:51 > To:Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Subject: Re: Lightweight Office Suite > > On Thursday 12 June 2008 22:46:52 George Hall wrote: > > That is weird because I always looked at ms office and open office as > > mopeds and been thinking of writing my own word processor to do what I > > need to do. > > Good luck. While there are many legitimate complaints about both. Weak > and immature are not legitimate criticisms of either. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Note that the folders were all created under the current OS installation, though some of the files inside were moved to the folder from other UTF-8 locale Linux installations. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From james.gray at dot.com.au Tue Jun 17 20:55:34 2008 From: james.gray at dot.com.au (James Gray) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:55:34 +1000 Subject: How to print multiple files? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806170213k77230f0cw205c263ed71770e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806161532y5b39205dn26f86281c40ae7c4@mail.gmail.com> <1663FC15-7556-44D4-9B07-75C5116858A5@gray.net.au> <880dece00806170213k77230f0cw205c263ed71770e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485824C6.2050502@dot.com.au> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/17 James Gray : >> Certainly is possible :) Install the package "psutils" and assuming >> you have ghostscript installed, you can do this from the command line: >> >> for PDF in *.pdf >> do >> pdf2ps $PDF - | psnup -2 | lp >> done >> >> That will find every PDF file in the current directory, convert the >> PDF to Postscript, dump the result into "psnup" which will mash the >> postscript into a "2-up" format, then finally hand the PostScript to >> the default printer via "lp". You may also replace "| lp" with "> >> `basename $PDF .pdf`-2up.ps" (without the "") to create a Postscript >> file in 2-up format for each PDF. >> >> If you'd prefer 4-up, replace "psnup -2" with "psnup -4". Similarly, >> if your printer can do duplex (double sided printing) you can tell it >> to print both sides with "lp -o sides=two-sided-short-edge" instead of >> plain old "lp". If you'd prefer the 2-up converted documents back in >> PDF format: >> >> for DOC in *-2up.ps >> do >> ps2pdf $DOC `basename $DOC .ps` >> done >> >> HTH, >> >> James >> > > Thank you James. The script seems very flexible and I will certainly > use it. Unfortunately, the question is asked of a female user who I > have turned into a Kubuntu user, so she needs a way to print the files > directly from Konqueror. I think that one can add a service menu for > that, though. Thanks. Ah - ok. Have a look in the KDE printer setup. I vaguely remember something about being able to define certain filters (such as 2-up etc) and then assigning it to a "new" printer that uses it by default (so you make a copy of the default printer, call it "2 Up PDF" for example, and make it use the filter by default). I know I did something similar to what you need to do back in the KDE2 days but I'm not in front of an Ubuntu box to figure it out again :-/ HTH, James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ranmadhu From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 23:39:10 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:39:10 +0300 Subject: Cannot access one's own files In-Reply-To: <48584952.10705@gmail.com> References: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> <48584952.10705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806171639h3d1c9c18g7cb9f333cb29eb76@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/18 Ranmadhu : > A question (not necessarily a solution): > Can you open the folders in Dolphin? > > Ranmadhu > Removing D3lphin was one of the first things that I did on this computer! But the next time that the problem occurs, I will install D3lphin and test. Thanks for the idea. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From paulatgm at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 23:45:01 2008 From: paulatgm at gmail.com (Paul S) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:45:01 -0400 Subject: which ff theme for kde Message-ID: <48584C7D.3050003@gmail.com> Anyone found a ff3 theme to match kde hardy default? The closest I see on the addons is kdeff, but they're not updating it for ff3 and it's still beta... TIA From hunkumori at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 05:33:12 2008 From: hunkumori at gmail.com (Asuka Langley) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:33:12 +0200 Subject: which ff theme for kde In-Reply-To: <48584C7D.3050003@gmail.com> References: <48584C7D.3050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <347f0cf50806172233m2fa9a09dxceea6f6c0d25aa3a@mail.gmail.com> Hello Well. What do you mean by theme? I think the only thing you need is the theme called QTCURVE. Search for it with Adept. You will find it. Just install it, apply as the main theme of the OS, and go to the "GTK2..." options in the control center. (alt+f2 > kcontrol). There you just have to change the GTK style to QTcurve, and you will get a very beautiful theme. You can adjust / customize at the kcontrol>style menu. Have fun.. :)) Asuka 2008/6/18 Paul S : > Anyone found a ff3 theme to match kde hardy default? The closest I see > on the addons is kdeff, but they're not updating it for ff3 and it's > still beta... > > TIA > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pfrancq at ulb.ac.be Wed Jun 18 07:48:08 2008 From: pfrancq at ulb.ac.be (Pascal Francq) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:48:08 +0200 Subject: Problems with Firefox3 Message-ID: <200806180948.08326.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Since today, I cannot start Firefox 3 anymore. When I launch it, it seems to block without showing anything on the screen (but it is running as a see in ksysguard). When I try to launch it with the option "--sync", an dialog box appears but the content is not shown. Of course, Firefox 2 works. Any idea? Thanks. - -- Prof. Pascal Francq Digital Information Chair Université Libre de Bruxelles Department of Information and Communication Sciences Avenue F.D. Roosevelt, 50 CP 123 B-1050 Brussels BELGIUM Phone: +32-2-650 47 65 Fax: +32-2-650 39 21 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIWL24oiZc4N+hp30RArnLAJ9XcYxbhEySPXlm2b4J3XFKE9KUzwCfdt0P WHQXCbNbkoBmCxziysMmMiY= =XIAb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From temps.jo at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 08:17:39 2008 From: temps.jo at gmail.com (joris abadie) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:17:39 +0200 Subject: GG 7.10 refuses to boot on Asus M2N-X Plus mobo In-Reply-To: References: <200806151833.24982.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <200806151924.34765.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: My mother card is : Asus P5GZ-MX, when start the PC click on del when the bios is open you go in "main"---->"Ide master"----->"DMAmode" and your choise must be "SWDMA0" in place "auto" The noise RAM was "AE" 1GB DDR2 533 2008/6/15 joris abadie : > tomorow I can give you the name of the bad RAM, and of my mother card, > In first time I try all the bios that I find in "Asus.com" for my > mother card but it was lost time. > "En français", > j'ai mis trois semaine avant de trouver la solution, et il a vraiment > deux choses à faire, une seule ne suffit pas, pour mon P.C. > Cordialement > > 2008/6/15 joris abadie : >> Hi tomorow morning I can answer exactly because the P.C is on my job, >> it was something like this : >> In the windows hard disk, I change the mode "auto" to "swa0" or >> something like this >> >> 2008/6/15 Nigel Henry : >>> On Sunday 15 June 2008 18:59, joris abadie wrote: >>>> HI, >>>> sorry for my poor english >>>> I have to an asus, and it was impossible with ubuntu,xubuntu.... >>>> I find the solution with two things : >>>> 1 - I change the R.A.M (I put kingstom memory, the same value) >>> >>> Hi Joris. I don't think that the memory is a problem, as I've been able to >>> install Fedora 8, Kubuntu Breezy, Archlinux, and Knoppix 5.0 boots ok. >>>> 2 - I change in the bios the parameter in the hard disk >>> >>> Which parameters did you change for the harddisk? >>>> With the two actes when I try ubuntu work in my Asus >>>> so I try again with xubuntu, kubuntu, ... and again it is work fine >>>> >>>> 2008/6/15 Nigel Henry : >>> >>> >>> No problemo with your English. I'm living in France, and my french is >>> terrible. >>> >>> A question. Which Asus mobo do you have? Is it the same M2N-X Plus as mine? >>> >>> Thanks for your reply. >>> >>> Nigel. >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >> > From pfrancq at ulb.ac.be Wed Jun 18 08:56:43 2008 From: pfrancq at ulb.ac.be (Pascal Francq) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:56:43 +0200 Subject: Problems with Firefox3 In-Reply-To: <200806180948.08326.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> References: <200806180948.08326.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> Message-ID: <200806181056.45632.pfrancq@ulb.ac.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This was a stupid problem, the "loopback" module was not started. On mercredi 18 juin 2008, Pascal Francq wrote: > Hi, > Since today, I cannot start Firefox 3 anymore. When I launch it, it seems > to block without showing anything on the screen (but it is running as a see > in ksysguard). When I try to launch it with the option "--sync", an dialog > box appears but the content is not shown. Of course, Firefox 2 works. > Any idea? > Thanks. > -- > > Prof. Pascal Francq > Digital Information Chair > Université Libre de Bruxelles > Department of Information and Communication Sciences > Avenue F.D. Roosevelt, 50 > CP 123 > B-1050 Brussels > BELGIUM > Phone: +32-2-650 47 65 > Fax: +32-2-650 39 21 - -- Prof. Pascal Francq Digital Information Chair Université Libre de Bruxelles Department of Information and Communication Sciences Avenue F.D. Roosevelt, 50 CP 123 B-1050 Brussels BELGIUM Phone: +32-2-650 47 65 Fax: +32-2-650 39 21 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIWM3NoiZc4N+hp30RAiezAJ0eh5zAR5/XEiUxnTpE6KH7iuNaOQCeMn38 bjDeZA44CKiDlL1RKhQrhek= =98q8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 12:01:02 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:01:02 +0200 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <32975.206.159.183.75.1213723814.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> <4856A709.4080308@gmail.com> <880dece00806161051pe3a8016vba8cc24baa25d0bc@mail.gmail.com> <485767E7.60105@noiraude.net> <1713734.NQJuzB2MJE@cedar.serverforest.com> <32975.206.159.183.75.1213723814.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Message-ID: Why not just set up your machine to duel boot and install Gentoo? It is not that hard with the precompiled stuff. Installing Gentoo from the bottom up with all the tweaks is the best way that I know of to really get to know the guts or Linux. In the mean time you have your nice Kubuntu there for you when you need it. Also I don't have any proof that Gentoo is faster but it is true that you will end up with many less background process running and that can't hurt. Also I have found boot times to be GREATLY reduce with a custom kernel that does not have all the blot to run every computer out there. The other side of the story is that you will end up spending more time tweaking Gentoo than you will ever save with fast boots and 10% faster software. You will also come to see why Kubuntu is go good and loved by those of us who don't want to spend their lives tweaking so stupid setting. One last idea, if you want all the gentoo goodness without the hassles get Sabayon and dual boot with it. A quote from Distrowatch.com current news letter. Great Linux web site BTW Almost a year has passed since the initial release of SabayonLinux 3.4, a Gentoo-based distribution featuring the absolute bleeding edge in Linux and open source technologies. But while the release frequency of this distribution has slowed down considerably since its early days, work on the upcoming version 3.5 continues as normal. In fact, Sabayon Linux 3.5 is now getting very close to release time: "After months and months and months of hard work, I am happy to say that Sabayon Linux 3.5 final will enter the final beta testing stage within 48 hours and will stay there for a couple of weeks. All I can say is that the difference between 3.4 and 3.5 is really really huge. During this period we've worked out all the concerns we collected about 3.4, like binary packages (Entropy), security updates, ease of use, speed, hardware support, and we are now ready to steadily enter the top 5 distro arena. 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ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. /home/******/lib/opera/9.27-20080331.6/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get Opera to work on my 64bit Kubuntu hardy setup? -- Graham Todd From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Wed Jun 18 12:25:24 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:25:24 +0200 Subject: GG 7.10 refuses to boot on Asus M2N-X Plus mobo In-Reply-To: References: <200806151833.24982.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <200806181425.25176.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Wednesday 18 June 2008 10:17, joris abadie wrote: > My mother card is : Asus P5GZ-MX, > when start the PC > click on del > when the bios is open you go in "main"---->"Ide master"----->"DMAmode" > and your choise must be "SWDMA0" in place "auto" > The noise RAM was "AE" 1GB DDR2 533 Hi Joris. Changing the DMA mode to SWDMA0 makes no difference. Reading the text on bootup, it's hanging just after starting KDM, so it looks like it's unable to start X. The graphics card has an ATI chip on it, the other distros I've installed on this machine are using the vesa driver, as there seem to be problems with the ATI one. Well I've experimented a bit more. Changed the VGA setting to 640x480, and added acpi=off to the boot line. Press enter, and check the monitor menu, which says 640x480. Eventually X starts, and I get a blue screen with a mouse pointer that I can move, but everything is very small (highest resolution), and the monitor menu now shows the highest resolution, which appears to way beyond what my monitor can handle. I normally use 1024x768. The blue screen doesn't stay for long, and it appears that X gives up trying. Any suggestion on what I could add to the boot line, to force 1024x768 to be used? btw, I am downloading the Kubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso, as someone else suggested, but as usual, it takes ages on dialup (50% done). Nigel. From wayne_roberts386 at o2.co.uk Wed Jun 18 13:54:38 2008 From: wayne_roberts386 at o2.co.uk (wayne) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:54:38 +0100 Subject: darwin Message-ID: <200806181454.39022.wayne_roberts386@o2.co.uk> anybody got darwin streaming server to run? From nigel at rmk.co.il Wed Jun 18 15:35:27 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:35:27 +0300 Subject: OT: Which digital camera Message-ID: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> My daughter wants to buy a digital camera (one that will work nicely with Kubuntu) but there are sooooooooo many to choose from it's almost impossible! She wants one of those slim ones - like the Casio but I'm trying to help her make an educated choice. 1. How important is it whether the battery is an internal one or if one can stick in your regular Duracels (or rechargables). I realize that the price will go with the added expense of purchasing batteries, but then those internal ones need an electric power source when they need to be recharged (and probably just when your stuck in the middle of nowhere!). 2. Also, are last year's models still up to par (they're much cheaper)? TIA from a confused_wanting_to_help_father. Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 15:48:50 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:48:50 +0300 Subject: OT: Which digital camera In-Reply-To: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> References: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <48592E62.5060901@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > My daughter wants to buy a digital camera (one that will work nicely with Kubuntu) but there are > sooooooooo many to choose from it's almost impossible! > > She wants one of those slim ones - like the Casio but I'm trying to help her make an educated choice. > > 1. How important is it whether the battery is an internal one or if one can stick in your regular > Duracels (or rechargables). I realize that the price will go with the added expense of purchasing > batteries, but then those internal ones need an electric power source when they need to be > recharged (and probably just when your stuck in the middle of nowhere!). > > 2. Also, are last year's models still up to par (they're much cheaper)? > > TIA from a confused_wanting_to_help_father. > > Nigel > I'm no expert in the latest of cameras, but for the power source, i see your point in the fact that being stuck in nowhere means that internal battery is useless. but how frequently does this happens? if your daughter go camping or something else, she might need a camera with external batteries, otherwise, I find internal rechargeable batteries much more convenient, which is my choice for electronic devices. even better, some devices require external batteries and can be plugged to recharge them, so you can get a rechargeable battery stick, and have the benefit of both types, I don't know if there is cameras that use this mode, but I've seen mp3 players and CD players that work this way. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 16:04:21 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: Which digital camera In-Reply-To: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <903889.37611.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Nigel, I just purchased a new one for myself and for my wife. > She wants one of those slim ones - like the Casio but I'm trying to > help her make an educated choice. Here's a good place to start your search: http://www.steves-digicams.com/ Just follow some of his reviews. > 1. How important is it whether the battery is an internal one or if > one can stick in your regular > Duracels (or rechargables). I realize that the price will go with the > added expense of purchasing > batteries, but then those internal ones need an electric power source > when they need to be > recharged (and probably just when your stuck in the middle of > nowhere!). The ones with rechargable batteries usually will give you more than a hundred shots on a charge. Carry the charger with you and keep an inverter in the car and you shouldn't have to worry about power. > 2. Also, are last year's models still up to par (they're much > cheaper)? My wife wanted a small one as well and we selected a Nikon S210 model. It has gone on a trip with us over Mother's Day and already has had more than 200 images shot. http://www.steves-digicams.com/2008_reviews/nikon_s210.html Whatever you get, make sure is uses a common SD card for memory. You can get 2Gb cards at MicroCenter.com for less than $10. My wife and I keep a pair of spare 2Gb cards for each camera. I would recommend against any of the Sony cameras because they use a proprietary memory stick. Good luck! Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 16:05:54 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:05:54 +0300 Subject: KDE4 advice Message-ID: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020008000106050301020503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KDE4 has been getting a lot of attention lately, but has also been getting a lot of complaints. firstly, can i install kde4 without having all the kde4 apps cluttering my kde3 kmenu, and vice-versa, having a KDE4 that doesn't contain KDE3 apps in its menu? ie. seperate desktop environments. or do i have to manually remove them? is there any conflicts between kde3 and kde4? will kde4 over write some important files from my current installation? i know some of these questions might sound silly or been asked before, but i'm very hesitant about the move, and would like some advice thanks in advance --=20 Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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I am new to kubuntu and would like to configure the adept_manager to use a common storage location for downloaded update packages so that all of the machine located on my local network can save download time when fetching packages. I know that the default location for the packages is in: /var/cache/apt/archives/ Is this hardwired into the program or can it be changed by configuration setting? I would like to have all of the packages downloaded to my local nfs share and then allow all of the machines to look there for the updated packages. Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jun 18 16:20:57 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:20:57 -0300 Subject: OT: Which digital camera References: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> <903889.37611.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1389307.RHzgzLbSTe@cedar.serverforest.com> cherryfinals wrote: > The ones with rechargable batteries usually will give you more than a > hundred shots on a charge. Carry the charger with you and keep an > inverter in the car and you shouldn't have to worry about power. Note, a 75W inverter cost me $10 this year. -- derek From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Jun 18 16:48:49 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:48:49 -0400 Subject: OT: Which digital camera In-Reply-To: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> References: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200806181248.49471.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Nigel Ridley wrote: > My daughter wants to buy a digital camera (one that will work nicely with > Kubuntu) but there are sooooooooo many to choose from it's almost > impossible! > > She wants one of those slim ones - like the Casio but I'm trying to help > her make an educated choice. > > 1. How important is it whether the battery is an internal one or if one can > stick in your regular Duracels (or rechargables). I realize that the price > will go with the added expense of purchasing batteries, but then those > internal ones need an electric power source when they need to be recharged > (and probably just when your stuck in the middle of nowhere!). > > 2. Also, are last year's models still up to par (they're much cheaper)? I don't own one but I am impressed by the features and the reviews of the: Panasonic DMC-TZ4K Compact, 10x optical zoom, 8 mpixel etc. I think this would be the next camera my wife would get. From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net Wed Jun 18 17:12:16 2008 From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:12:16 -0700 Subject: KDE4 advice In-Reply-To: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> On Wed June 18 2008 09:05:54 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > KDE4 has been getting a lot of attention lately, but has also been > getting a lot of complaints. firstly, can i install kde4 without having > all the kde4 apps cluttering my kde3 kmenu, and vice-versa, having a > KDE4 that doesn't contain KDE3 apps in its menu? ie. seperate desktop > environments. or do i have to manually remove them? is there any > conflicts between kde3 and kde4? will kde4 over write some important > files from my current installation? i know some of these questions might > sound silly or been asked before, but i'm very hesitant about the move, > and would like some advice > thanks in advance KDE 4 can do a few things that KDE 3 cannot do. At this time KDE 4 can't do a lot of things that KDE 3 can do. The control center, konqueror, desktop, menu, and kicker have all been dumbed down to the point where they are silly and annoying. (The original K menu is now available as an option in KDE 4 to replace the awful new menu.) OTOH, the new KDE 4 icons look pretty good. In a year or two KDE 4 will probably outshine KDE 3, but for now it is just a technology test bed and not really suitable for people who want to use KDE to actually edit documents, handle email, or develop programs. I suggest that you test KDE 4 on a separate test system, or a separate partition on an existing system. KDE 4 is not designed to co-exist with KDE 3. If you simply upgrade from KDE 3 to KDE 4 you will find it difficult to return. --Mike Bird From grey at dmiyu.org Wed Jun 18 17:25:06 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KDE4 advice In-Reply-To: <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> Message-ID: <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> On Wed, June 18, 2008 10:12 am, Mike Bird wrote: > I suggest that you test KDE 4 on a separate test system, or a separate > partition on an existing system. KDE 4 is not designed to co-exist with > KDE 3. If you simply upgrade from KDE 3 to KDE 4 you will find it > difficult to return. Awha-huh? This goes against my experience with KDE4. I decided to give it a whirl when I had to reinstall KUbuntu. Grabbed the KDE4 disc as I was ignorant of what a stinker KDE4 is. After about 30m of head-thumping I did an aptitude install kde-desktop. They co-exist. Furthermore it is trivial to switch between them. At KDM select "Session" and then choose which one you want. In fact right now I have gnome-desktop, xfce-desktop, kde-desktop and kde4-desktop all installed side-by-side. The only grouse I have, as the OP pointed out, is that the menus of each are cluttered with portions of the other. I don't much mind having Amarok in my Gnome/XFCE menus but having 3 different ways to configure the system in each is a tad confusing. ;) -- Steve Lamb From m-wright at eskimo.com Wed Jun 18 18:01:01 2008 From: m-wright at eskimo.com (Maynard Wright) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:01:01 -0700 Subject: OT: Which digital camera In-Reply-To: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> References: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <200806181101.02251.m-wright@eskimo.com> I'd like to say I made an intelligent decision about my first digital camera, but a friend gave it to me while upgrading. It's an Olympus D-395. It uses AA cells and works very well with Kubuntu. Although it's not a top of the line camera, I'm very happy with it. It's probably a bit older than last year's model, but I'm not sure. Maynard On Wednesday 18 June 2008 08:35, Nigel Ridley wrote: > My daughter wants to buy a digital camera (one that will work nicely with > Kubuntu) but there are sooooooooo many to choose from it's almost > impossible! > > She wants one of those slim ones - like the Casio but I'm trying to help > her make an educated choice. > > 1. How important is it whether the battery is an internal one or if one can > stick in your regular Duracels (or rechargables). I realize that the price > will go with the added expense of purchasing batteries, but then those > internal ones need an electric power source when they need to be recharged > (and probably just when your stuck in the middle of nowhere!). > > 2. Also, are last year's models still up to par (they're much cheaper)? > > TIA from a confused_wanting_to_help_father. > > Nigel From john.j35 at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 18:25:35 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:25:35 -0500 Subject: OT: Which digital camera In-Reply-To: <200806181101.02251.m-wright@eskimo.com> References: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> <200806181101.02251.m-wright@eskimo.com> Message-ID: > On Wednesday 18 June 2008 08:35, Nigel Ridley wrote: >> My daughter wants to buy a digital camera (one that will work nicely with >> Kubuntu) but there are sooooooooo many to choose from it's almost >> impossible! >> >> She wants one of those slim ones - like the Casio but I'm trying to help >> her make an educated choice. >> >> 1. How important is it whether the battery is an internal one or if one can >> stick in your regular Duracels (or rechargables). I realize that the price >> will go with the added expense of purchasing batteries, but then those >> internal ones need an electric power source when they need to be recharged >> (and probably just when your stuck in the middle of nowhere!). >> >> 2. Also, are last year's models still up to par (they're much cheaper)? >> >> TIA from a confused_wanting_to_help_father. >> >> Nigel The day after Christmas this last year we found a Sony Cybershot DSC-S650 7.2 megapixel and it has worked extemely well. With an added 4 Gb stick it shoots a lot of video as well. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 19:03:52 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:03:52 +0300 Subject: KDE4 advice In-Reply-To: <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <48595C18.5000101@gmail.com> Steve Lamb wrote: > On Wed, June 18, 2008 10:12 am, Mike Bird wrote: >> I suggest that you test KDE 4 on a separate test system, or a separate >> partition on an existing system. KDE 4 is not designed to co-exist with >> KDE 3. If you simply upgrade from KDE 3 to KDE 4 you will find it >> difficult to return. > > Awha-huh? This goes against my experience with KDE4. I decided to give > it a whirl when I had to reinstall KUbuntu. Grabbed the KDE4 disc as I > was ignorant of what a stinker KDE4 is. After about 30m of > head-thumping I did an aptitude install kde-desktop. They co-exist. > Furthermore it is trivial to switch between them. At KDM select > "Session" and then choose which one you want. In fact right now I have > gnome-desktop, xfce-desktop, kde-desktop and kde4-desktop all installed > side-by-side. > > The only grouse I have, as the OP pointed out, is that the menus of each > are cluttered with portions of the other. I don't much mind having > Amarok in my Gnome/XFCE menus but having 3 different ways to configure > the system in each is a tad confusing. ;) > thanks for your replies, i don't really care much about new menus and the like, i can adapt, specially that the new stuff will eventually become the defaults, but it is the missing functionalities that i'm more worried about, i heard for example that samba doesn't work properly, which is very important for my work. so i guess i'll stick to kde3 for now in hope it remains supported till kde4 is ready, btw, is there any plans or some date as to when will kde3 stop being supported by the KDE developers? i don't know how one can bare having so many desktop environments, other than configuring them all, i find it a bit messy and useless, unless you like testing! :) -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Many people only have English to talk and think... perhaps that could explain why their speech and ideas are worthles ;0) > I have > been using various Linux distros since 2001 and have been using > nothing but Linux since 2005, so I am convinced that any user with a > UTF-8 locale should be able to use non-ASCII filenames. Changing user > habit is not the way to solve problems. You are right, I clearly stated that changing user habit was only a palliative. > Especially as this is an > intermittent problem, Personally I don't belive one can bluntely declare a computer is deterministic (not sure about the word) and the same actions should always produce the same effect. After all it is never exactly in the same state when you think you are just redoing the thame thing. Those bugs are hard to track. you said in your first mail: > Reseting the computer solves the problem temporarily, but after some > hours of operation the problem returns. If you mean that "first there is a mountain, then there is not, then there is" :0) either take some rest or consider it is a bug. Or perhaps a memory check? > > and one confined to a single version of a single > distro. Other mails in this thread comforted me in the thinking that problems occur when transferring files... but I'm not sure your problem is related. Of course whe should ask that all all languages with an alphabet (plus a few diacriticla marks) should be supported. I have no idea how it is possible to deal with other languages like chinese (and haven't taken the time to investigate yet... so many other things to do :0( :0) ) Perry -- BOFH excuse #332: suboptimal routing experience From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Wed Jun 18 19:55:27 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:55:27 -0700 Subject: KDE4 advice In-Reply-To: <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200806181255.27151.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Wednesday 18 June 2008 10:25:06 am Steve Lamb wrote: > On Wed, June 18, 2008 10:12 am, Mike Bird wrote: > > I suggest that you test KDE 4 on a separate test system, or a separate > > partition on an existing system. KDE 4 is not designed to co-exist with > > KDE 3. If you simply upgrade from KDE 3 to KDE 4 you will find it > > difficult to return. > > Awha-huh? This goes against my experience with KDE4. I decided to > give it a whirl when I had to reinstall KUbuntu. Grabbed the KDE4 disc as > I was ignorant of what a stinker KDE4 is. After about 30m of > head-thumping I did an aptitude install kde-desktop. They co-exist. > Furthermore it is trivial to switch between them. At KDM select > "Session" and then choose which one you want. In fact right now I have > gnome-desktop, xfce-desktop, kde-desktop and kde4-desktop all installed > side-by-side. > > The only grouse I have, as the OP pointed out, is that the menus of > each are cluttered with portions of the other. I don't much mind having > Amarok in my Gnome/XFCE menus but having 3 different ways to configure the > system in each is a tad confusing. ;) Can't one use the "Menu Editor" (left click the "K") to remove the unneeded entries? I have KDE4 installed but never use it as several things I use every day don't work in it. Of course I haven't tried it with the recent updates (just too busy it seems to get the time) so perhaps this has been fixed?! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 20:06:30 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:06:30 +0300 Subject: Cannot access one's own files In-Reply-To: <200806182123.39823.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> <200806171930.48740.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00806171155j4a508a1fs4ab2c7ed4a47abd7@mail.gmail.com> <200806182123.39823.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <880dece00806181306t1e72eac2gb2e31a7409020273@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/18 Sylviane et Perry White : >> There are some >> words and ideas that cannot be expressed easily in English. > Cannot? > Many people only have English to talk and think... perhaps that could explain > why their speech and ideas are worthles ;0) Just look at what the lolcatz have to work with! But there are most certainly ideas for which there are no good words in English, many of which are related to culture. Then again, there are words in English for which we have no good word. >> Especially as this is an >> intermittent problem, > > Personally I don't belive one can bluntely declare a computer is deterministic > (not sure about the word) and the same actions should always produce the same > effect. After all it is never exactly in the same state when you think you > are just redoing the thame thing. Those bugs are hard to track. Very good point, and it is exactly the "what has changed" that I am trying to track down. > you said in your first mail: >> Reseting the computer solves the problem temporarily, but after some >> hours of operation the problem returns. > If you mean that "first there is a mountain, then there is not, then there > is" :0) > either take some rest or consider it is a bug. > Or perhaps a memory check? I most certainly think that this is a bug. I did not even consider the possibility that this is a memory issue. I will let memtest run tonight and see what turns up in the morning. >> and one confined to a single version of a single >> distro. > > Other mails in this thread comforted me in the thinking that problems occur > when transferring files... but I'm not sure your problem is related. No, the bug has no relation to copying files. > Of course whe should ask that all all languages with an alphabet (plus a few > diacriticla marks) should be supported. I have no idea how it is possible to > deal with other languages like chinese (and haven't taken the time to > investigate yet... so many other things to do :0( :0) ) > > Perry Based on the spam I get, the Chinese have no problem with using their letters on the computer! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 20:26:57 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:26:57 +0300 Subject: KDE4 advice In-Reply-To: <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806181326v7d06a6cds4f49c3f7c0bebdc5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/18 Mike Bird : > I suggest that you test KDE 4 on a separate test system, or a separate > partition on an existing system. KDE 4 is not designed to co-exist with > KDE 3. If you simply upgrade from KDE 3 to KDE 4 you will find it > difficult to return. > I second the idea of testing before committing, but in my [limited] experience the two live fine side by side. I installed Kubuntu with KDE3 on the wife's computer, then decided to make her my testbed for KDE4, and started configuring the system. After I got so frustrated with KDE4 that I decided instead of filing the bugs I found I would wait until KDE 4.1, I set KDM to log her into KDE3 again. The only drawback, like you said, is that the K menu has been polluted with KDE 4 applications. That took only five minutes to fix, and I think that I will leave the KDE4 version of Kopete for her. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Wed Jun 18 21:23:57 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:23:57 +0100 Subject: OT: Which digital camera In-Reply-To: <903889.37611.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <903889.37611.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200806182223.57582.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, cherryfinals wrote: > > I would recommend against any of the Sony cameras because they use a > proprietary memory stick. > I have a friend who has a Sony CyberShot, which offers a choice of either memory stick or Compact Flash. And ufraw converts the raw files. And this one has a bog standard mini USB socket, much to my pleasant surprise. It's not a tiny camera though - more the size of an SLR but it does have a 10:1 or so optical zoom, decent size lens. But I prefer my own choice - the Fuji S9600. Takes CF or XD cards, 10:1 optical zoom, 9 megapixels. And, amazingly, it has the three features I really, REALLY wanted - standard AA cells for power, a standard, mechanical cable release socket, and a standard flash sync socket, the tiny coaxial one. I think the sensor is a bit noisy compared to expensive models, but hey, at the price who can complain? Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 18 21:41:16 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:41:16 -0400 Subject: OT: Which digital camera In-Reply-To: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> References: <48592B3F.5070700@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <485980FC.5000007@sbcglobal.net> Nigel Ridley wrote: > My daughter wants to buy a digital camera (one that will work nicely with Kubuntu) but there are > sooooooooo many to choose from it's almost impossible! > > She wants one of those slim ones - like the Casio but I'm trying to help her make an educated choice. > > 1. How important is it whether the battery is an internal one or if one can stick in your regular > Duracels (or rechargables). I realize that the price will go with the added expense of purchasing > batteries, but then those internal ones need an electric power source when they need to be > recharged (and probably just when your stuck in the middle of nowhere!). > > 2. Also, are last year's models still up to par (they're much cheaper)? > > TIA from a confused_wanting_to_help_father. > > Nigel > > Hi Nigel, I got a Coolpix 7mpxl and love it. It takes 2 AA batteries, and uses a lot of battery, like all of them. I also purchased some rechargable batteries at Costco. You can find it on the net. $20 for 8 AA 4 AAA 2C 2 that convert AA to D and a charger made by Sanyo. NiMH batteries that last about 10 times longer than regular and can be charged 1000 times. Just finding that was worth getting the camera. I am sure that any similar camera is just as good, but I love the one I have; it works perfect and takes great hi-density pictures. You can blow them up huge and still have a good picture. I am not sure if these are Christian companies, but they have that quality. Steven From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 18 21:47:27 2008 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:47:27 -0400 Subject: Cannot access one's own files In-Reply-To: <880dece00806181306t1e72eac2gb2e31a7409020273@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> <200806171930.48740.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00806171155j4a508a1fs4ab2c7ed4a47abd7@mail.gmail.com> <200806182123.39823.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00806181306t1e72eac2gb2e31a7409020273@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4859826F.9030908@sbcglobal.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/18 Sylviane et Perry White : > >>> There are some >>> words and ideas that cannot be expressed easily in English. >>> >> Cannot? >> Many people only have English to talk and think... perhaps that could explain >> why their speech and ideas are worthles ;0) >> > > Just look at what the lolcatz have to work with! But there are most > certainly ideas for which there are no good words in English, many of > which are related to culture. Then again, there are words in English > for which we have no good word. > > >>> Especially as this is an >>> intermittent problem, >>> >> Personally I don't belive one can bluntely declare a computer is deterministic >> (not sure about the word) and the same actions should always produce the same >> effect. After all it is never exactly in the same state when you think you >> are just redoing the thame thing. Those bugs are hard to track. >> > > Very good point, and it is exactly the "what has changed" that I am > trying to track down. > > >> you said in your first mail: >> >>> Reseting the computer solves the problem temporarily, but after some >>> hours of operation the problem returns. >>> >> If you mean that "first there is a mountain, then there is not, then there >> is" :0) >> either take some rest or consider it is a bug. >> Or perhaps a memory check? >> > > I most certainly think that this is a bug. I did not even consider the > possibility that this is a memory issue. I will let memtest run > tonight and see what turns up in the morning. > > >>> and one confined to a single version of a single >>> distro. >>> >> Other mails in this thread comforted me in the thinking that problems occur >> when transferring files... but I'm not sure your problem is related. >> > > No, the bug has no relation to copying files. > > >> Of course whe should ask that all all languages with an alphabet (plus a few >> diacriticla marks) should be supported. I have no idea how it is possible to >> deal with other languages like chinese (and haven't taken the time to >> investigate yet... so many other things to do :0( :0) ) >> >> Perry >> > > Based on the spam I get, the Chinese have no problem with using their > letters on the computer! > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > Do you have permissions correct on the partition or drive you want to get the files from? If not or you don't know, I have some ideas that might help. I am kind of new to Linux and operate Kubuntu Hardy, but with many partitions on my machine, I had to get the permissions right to keep from being kept out of my own files. You are probably advanced over me, but if you think I can help, email me. Steven stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net From aplistas at skarcha.com Thu Jun 19 07:16:44 2008 From: aplistas at skarcha.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antonio_P=E9rez?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:16:44 +0200 Subject: Common storage for adept_manager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14c581970806190016j7f573d4p1596ea0d674711c9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:27 PM, John Pierce wrote: > I would like to have all of the packages downloaded to my local nfs > share and then > allow all of the machines to look there for the updated packages. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Give an eye to apt-cacher. This was my solution and I'm very happy with it. http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-repository-cache-with-apt-cacher http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/01/08/save-bandwidth-during-updates-with-apt-cacher-ubuntu-610/ -- Saludos: Antonio Pérez ATENCIÓN: Antes de imprimir este mensaje valora si verdaderamente es necesario. De esta forma contribuimos a la preservación del Medio Ambiente. From quintus.aurellius.maximus at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 07:22:46 2008 From: quintus.aurellius.maximus at gmail.com (George Hall) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:22:46 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <200806171510.52148.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806161639.05615.art.alexion@verizon.net> <641822463-1213651687-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1212880768-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <200806171510.52148.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: I meant that the spell checker and grammar checker do not work on it, as in it may seem to have a lot of functions, but those functions dont work the way that one might expect them to. I should have made my comparison clearer as in ms word, and open office are mopeds and I need a harley to do my work. Since I live in the city a moped would be more useless than even a bicycle, but the referrence could be lost without me setting up the setting to follow my train of thought. George On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Art Alexion wrote: > On Monday 16 June 2008 5:28:21 pm macariov at gmail.com wrote: > > Bloated and overkill, maybe > > > Top posting in replay to a thread that already using bottom posting really > makes reading difficult. I am not usually one to care about one or the > other, but doing both makes it really difficult to follow. > > > As for your comment, I agree that for many people MS and Open Office suites > are bloated and overkill, but that wasn't what George Hall's criticism was. > He referred to them as Mopeds (exceedingly simple vehicles), not Hummers > (bloated, overkill vehicles for suburban nitwits.) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Art Alexion > > > > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:38:51 > > To:Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > Subject: Re: Lightweight Office Suite > > > > On Thursday 12 June 2008 22:46:52 George Hall wrote: > > > That is weird because I always looked at ms office and open office as > > > mopeds and been thinking of writing my own word processor to do what I > > > need to do. > > > > Good luck. While there are many legitimate complaints about both. Weak > > and immature are not legitimate criticisms of either. > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Signature Begins-- George Arnold Hall President / CEO IS5000 Publications and Technological Services Canada Inc. www.is5000.com Author of Ancient Black Objects Creator of New Camelot, Knights of the Round, Immortals of Scar Current Projects: Sinister Circuits, Koryu Gannen (novels, first on back burner, latter in process) All work done by George Arnold Hall is (c)2000-2007 by George Arnold Hall, any information used in correspondence with George Arnold Hall in referrence to his work is (c)2000-2007 by George Arnold Hall, unless otherwise noted. --Signature Ends-- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 07:45:34 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:45:34 +0200 Subject: which ff theme for kde In-Reply-To: <48584C7D.3050003@gmail.com> References: <48584C7D.3050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <485A0E9E.2060307@gmail.com> Paul S wrote: > Anyone found a ff3 theme to match kde hardy default? The closest I see > on the addons is kdeff, but they're not updating it for ff3 and it's > still beta... > > TIA > I have found 2 I consider "OK", still waiting for KDEFF though... 1. Kde4 + Firefox3 2. Phoenity Reborn none of them "perfect", at the moment using Kde4+FF3 Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 07:51:24 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:51:24 +0200 Subject: which ff theme for kde In-Reply-To: <485A0E9E.2060307@gmail.com> References: <48584C7D.3050003@gmail.com> <485A0E9E.2060307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <485A0FFC.4050603@gmail.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Paul S wrote: >> Anyone found a ff3 theme to match kde hardy default? The closest I see >> on the addons is kdeff, but they're not updating it for ff3 and it's >> still beta... >> >> TIA >> > I have found 2 I consider "OK", still waiting for KDEFF though... > 1. Kde4 + Firefox3 > 2. Phoenity Reborn > > none of them "perfect", at the moment using Kde4+FF3 > Might add I have now also installed extension/add-on Konquefox with a few things to make FF more "Konqueror-like" From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Thu Jun 19 08:00:34 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:00:34 +0100 Subject: How Do I Get Opera To Work? - Pt 2 Message-ID: <20080619090034.17c16d79@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is the second time of trying as I got no responses the first time :-) What follows is an updated description of the problem: I certainly hope someone can help me. I am running an updated 64bit Gutsy setup, which is recognised by the Opera download page as a Hardy system. Sometime ago, I looked for a 64bit version of Opera and couldn't find one, and was told by someone on this list that it didn't exist. However, I recently found a version for the "X86-64" architecture, with I presume is the correct version for AMD64. I downloaded the Hardy .deb through Konqueror using KGet, and it installed through GDebi. In the K menu there is now an item for Opera and when I click on the icon, I get a perfectly good screen, but Opera doesn't connect. I have a connection because I can download email, connect with newsgroups (nntp), and connect through Konqueror but Opera refuses to connect. I tried going through Konsole, issuing the commands "opera" and "opera %s" and got the same error message for each: *****@******-desktop:~$ opera ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. /home/******/lib/opera/9.27-20080331.6/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory There is clearly a file which should have been preloaded but which hasn't been, and I can't work out where to go from here. I know Opera exists in "full" .debs and versions which use "shared-qt" .debs which build upon libraries already installed from other (earlier) versions of Opera, but I can't find a 64bit version of Opera that is not the full version. Can anybody tell me what I need to do to make Opera work in my 64bit Hardy setup? Thanks in advance for any help you can give. - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFIWhI8thMHx1h/UZYRAgJTAJ0aIzZRSTjxzFE0Durz1E4FPG9KGQCdGdIj UoUrFuQaZ9Qox3LaR0UdvTw= =OGJq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jun 19 08:14:06 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:14:06 +0100 Subject: How Do I Get Opera To Work? - Pt 2 In-Reply-To: <20080619090034.17c16d79@graham-desktop> References: <20080619090034.17c16d79@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <485A154E.3030001@tiscali.co.uk> Graham Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This is the second time of trying as I got no responses the first > time :-) What follows is an updated description of the problem: I > certainly hope someone can help me. > > I am running an updated 64bit Gutsy setup, which is recognised by the > Opera download page as a Hardy system. Sometime ago, I looked for a > 64bit version of Opera and couldn't find one, and was told by someone > on this list that it didn't exist. However, I recently found a version > for the "X86-64" architecture, with I presume is the correct version > for AMD64. > > I downloaded the Hardy .deb through Konqueror using KGet, and it > installed through GDebi. In the K menu there is now an item for Opera > and when I click on the icon, I get a perfectly good screen, but Opera > doesn't connect. I have a connection because I can download email, > connect with newsgroups (nntp), and connect through Konqueror but Opera > refuses to connect. > > I tried going through Konsole, issuing the commands "opera" and "opera > %s" and got the same error message for each: > > *****@******-desktop:~$ opera > ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: > ignored. ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be > preloaded: ignored. /home/******/lib/opera/9.27-20080331.6/opera: error > while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared > object file: No such file or directory > > There is clearly a file which should have been preloaded but which > hasn't been, and I can't work out where to go from here. I know Opera > exists in "full" .debs and versions which use "shared-qt" .debs which > build upon libraries already installed from other (earlier) versions of > Opera, but I can't find a 64bit version of Opera that is not the full > version. > > Can anybody tell me what I need to do to make Opera work in my 64bit > Hardy setup? Thanks in advance for any help you can give. > > - -- > Graham Todd libjvm.so and libawt.so sound like Java... do you have Java installed? If you install Java and libqt-mt, you should have a working Opera. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Thu Jun 19 09:27:50 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:27:50 -0400 Subject: How Do I Get Opera To Work? - Pt 2 In-Reply-To: <20080619090034.17c16d79@graham-desktop> References: <20080619090034.17c16d79@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200806190527.50974.pkaplan1@comcast.net> The opera download page is now listing X86-64 debs for both hardy and gutsy. P On Thursday 19 June 2008 4:00:34 am Graham Todd wrote: > This is the second time of trying as I got no responses the first > time :-) What follows is an updated description of the problem: I > certainly hope someone can help me. > > I am running an updated 64bit Gutsy setup, which is recognised by the > Opera download page as a Hardy system. Sometime ago, I looked for a > 64bit version of Opera and couldn't find one, and was told by someone > on this list that it didn't exist. However, I recently found a version > for the "X86-64" architecture, with I presume is the correct version > for AMD64. > > I downloaded the Hardy .deb through Konqueror using KGet, and it > installed through GDebi. In the K menu there is now an item for Opera > and when I click on the icon, I get a perfectly good screen, but Opera > doesn't connect. I have a connection because I can download email, > connect with newsgroups (nntp), and connect through Konqueror but Opera > refuses to connect. > > I tried going through Konsole, issuing the commands "opera" and "opera > %s" and got the same error message for each: > > *****@******-desktop:~$ opera > ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: > ignored. ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be > preloaded: ignored. /home/******/lib/opera/9.27-20080331.6/opera: error > while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared > object file: No such file or directory > > There is clearly a file which should have been preloaded but which > hasn't been, and I can't work out where to go from here. I know Opera > exists in "full" .debs and versions which use "shared-qt" .debs which > build upon libraries already installed from other (earlier) versions of > Opera, but I can't find a 64bit version of Opera that is not the full > version. > > Can anybody tell me what I need to do to make Opera work in my 64bit > Hardy setup? Thanks in advance for any help you can give. > > -- > Graham Todd From alvar.mercade at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 09:33:15 2008 From: alvar.mercade at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C0lvar_Mercad=E9?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:33:15 +0200 Subject: How Do I Get Opera To Work? Message-ID: Hi! It seems you need to install the JRE and the qt3-mt library. Try to find them on adept. They should be there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From turgon at mike-leone.com Thu Jun 19 11:25:15 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:25:15 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806161639.05615.art.alexion@verizon.net> <641822463-1213651687-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1212880768-@bxe173.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <200806171510.52148.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:22 AM, George Hall wrote: > I meant that the spell checker and grammar checker do not work on it, as in > it may seem to have a lot of functions, but those functions dont work the > way that one might expect them to. I should have made my comparison clearer > as in ms word, and open office are mopeds and I need a harley to do my work. > Since I live in the city a moped would be more useless than even a bicycle, > but the referrence could be lost without me setting up the setting to follow > my train of thought. Now I'm completely lost, as the spell checker works really well in MS Office, anyway. (can't speak for Open Office). I don't have too much of a need for a grammar checker, but I can see where someone might not like it. And living in a city is exactly where you would have a moped, since it is specifically designed more for city streets than highways and higher traffic roads, such as 202 and the Blue Route, that you would need in the suburbs. But to each his own, I suppose. > > George > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Art Alexion > wrote: >> >> On Monday 16 June 2008 5:28:21 pm macariov at gmail.com wrote: >> > Bloated and overkill, maybe >> >> >> Top posting in replay to a thread that already using bottom posting really >> makes reading difficult. I am not usually one to care about one or the >> other, but doing both makes it really difficult to follow. >> >> >> As for your comment, I agree that for many people MS and Open Office >> suites >> are bloated and overkill, but that wasn't what George Hall's criticism >> was. >> He referred to them as Mopeds (exceedingly simple vehicles), not Hummers >> (bloated, overkill vehicles for suburban nitwits.) >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Art Alexion >> > >> > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:38:51 >> > To:Kubuntu Help and User Discussions >> > Subject: Re: Lightweight Office Suite >> > >> > On Thursday 12 June 2008 22:46:52 George Hall wrote: >> > > That is weird because I always looked at ms office and open office as >> > > mopeds and been thinking of writing my own word processor to do what I >> > > need to do. >> > >> > Good luck. While there are many legitimate complaints about both. Weak >> > and immature are not legitimate criticisms of either. >> > >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > Signature Begins-- > George Arnold Hall > President / CEO > IS5000 Publications and Technological Services Canada Inc. > www.is5000.com > Author of Ancient Black Objects > Creator of New Camelot, Knights of the Round, Immortals of Scar > Current Projects: Sinister Circuits, Koryu Gannen (novels, first on back > burner, latter in process) > All work done by George Arnold Hall is (c)2000-2007 by George Arnold Hall, any > information used in correspondence with George Arnold Hall in referrence to > his work is (c)2000-2007 by George Arnold Hall, unless otherwise noted. > --Signature Ends-- > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Thu Jun 19 11:42:32 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:42:32 +0100 Subject: How Do I Get Opera To Work? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080619124232.695b4e9d@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:33:15 +0200 "Àlvar Mercadé" wrote: > Hi! > It seems you need to install the JRE and the qt3-mt library. Try to > find them on adept. They should be there. Thanks for your help! I looked through both Adept and Synaptic (just in case they gave different information). The jre and qt3-mt libraries appear to be installed, but I'm still getting this error message: $ opera ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. /home/graham/lib/opera/9.27-20080331.6/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory However, I reinstalled all I could see and the JBidWatcher icon appeared. This was an application I had installed which used java, but which wouldn't run. This gives credence to the idea that the problem lies with java. I tried to run JBidWatcher and I got this error message: $ jbidwatcher An irrecoverable stack overflow has occurred. # # An unexpected error has been detected by Java Runtime Environment: # # SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x00007f9e2576ae4b, pid=8443, tid=1079859536 # # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (10.0-b22 mixed mode linux-amd64) # Problematic frame: # C [libc.so.6+0x7ce4b] memcpy+0x15b # # An error report file with more information is saved as: # /home/graham/hs_err_pid8443.log # # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit: # http://java.sun.com/webapps/bugreport/crash.jsp # The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code. # See problematic frame for where to report the bug. # Aborted So I'm confused. Where to go from there? - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFIWkZBthMHx1h/UZYRAvm8AJ9wbWsbz/AcJacfjOKzdsZ3qSwcKQCdEcZc /UlHAJJ6N9TGDHRO+uVk7zA= =lqFV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jun 19 12:02:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:02:53 -0300 Subject: Common storage for adept_manager References: <14c581970806190016j7f573d4p1596ea0d674711c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3141369.UkpFDlAr1H@cedar.serverforest.com> Antonio Pérez wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:27 PM, John Pierce wrote: > >> I would like to have all of the packages downloaded to my local nfs >> share and then >> allow all of the machines to look there for the updated packages. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Give an eye to apt-cacher. This was my solution and I'm very happy with > it. > > http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-repository-cache-with-apt-cacher > http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/01/08/save-bandwidth-during-updates-with-apt-cacher-ubuntu-610/ I use apt-move, as I've been mentioning in a current thread on ubuntu-users. There are many similar applications. However, a quick glance at apt-cacher looks like a slightly better alternative. I access my apt-move repository through Apache, whereas apt-cacher runs its own server - that's no big deal if you're already running Apache, but a clear win for apt-cacher otherwise. My secondary machines all have to point to Ubuntu in case the package they need isn't on my mirror, whereas apt-cacher simply fetches anything it doesn't already have. -- derek From aplistas at skarcha.com Thu Jun 19 12:27:29 2008 From: aplistas at skarcha.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antonio_P=E9rez?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:27:29 +0200 Subject: Common storage for adept_manager In-Reply-To: <3141369.UkpFDlAr1H@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <14c581970806190016j7f573d4p1596ea0d674711c9@mail.gmail.com> <3141369.UkpFDlAr1H@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <14c581970806190527v2c013b41q347364f8c83bb33f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > I use apt-move, as I've been mentioning in a current thread on ubuntu-users. > There are many similar applications. However, a quick glance at apt-cacher > looks like a slightly better alternative. I access my apt-move repository > through Apache, whereas apt-cacher runs its own server - that's no big deal > if you're already running Apache, but a clear win for apt-cacher otherwise. > My secondary machines all have to point to Ubuntu in case the package they > need isn't on my mirror, whereas apt-cacher simply fetches anything it > doesn't already have. Yes, I think it's the best option. Apt-cacher is easy to configure (very, very easy), and you must only change apt sources from http://*.ubuntu.com to http://yourlocalserver on every local machines. -- Saludos: Antonio Pérez From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jun 19 14:59:18 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:59:18 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806171510.52148.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200806191059.18545.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 19 June 2008 3:22:46 am George Hall wrote: > I meant that the spell checker and grammar checker do not work on it, as in > it may seem to have a lot of functions, but those functions dont work the > way that one might expect them to. Check your installation. The spell checker works fine for me on Hardy as it did in previous versions. As for the grammar checker, I have never like this feature on any software. It is usually wrong and reminds me of a preachy, narrow minded, under educated teacher hampering a more gifted student's creativity. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From turgon at mike-leone.com Thu Jun 19 15:13:03 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:13:03 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: <200806191059.18545.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> <200806171510.52148.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200806191059.18545.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Art Alexion wrote: > > As for the grammar checker, I have never like this feature on any software. > It is usually wrong and reminds me of a preachy, narrow minded, under > educated teacher hampering a more gifted student's creativity. Art, don't hold back; tell us how you *really* feel. :-) -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Jun 19 15:18:02 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:18:02 -0400 Subject: Lightweight Office Suite In-Reply-To: References: <4851143E.8040002@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806191118.07845.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 19 June 2008 7:25:15 am Michael Leone wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:22 AM, George Hall > > wrote: > > I should have made my comparison > > clearer as in ms word, and open office are mopeds and I need a harley to > > do my work. Since I live in the city a moped would be more useless than > > even a bicycle, but the referrence could be lost without me setting up > > the setting to follow my train of thought. > > > And living in a city is exactly where you would have a moped, since it > is specifically designed more for city streets than highways and > higher traffic roads, such as 202 and the Blue Route, that you would > need in the suburbs. > > But to each his own, I suppose. Yeah, I wasn't going to touch this part, but I drive a scooter *because* I work in a city. Economical and maneuverable. and lots of parking options. A Harley, on the other hand, doesn't offer any benefit over an SUV in the City, but tears up rural and suburban highways. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From karlok at fastmail.fm Thu Jun 19 15:21:41 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl Klinger) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:21:41 -0700 Subject: Where is man:/ protocol handler configured? Message-ID: <485A7985.7090709@fastmail.fm> Until recently, when I entered #command or man:/command at the alt-f2 command prompt the man page for command would be displayed in konqueror. Now when I try this, firefox opens with the message "Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (man) isn't associated with any program.". If I enter settings:/ at the command prompt, the settings protocol opens in konqueror as expected. Somehow I messed up the man:/ protocol handler setting. Does anyone know how to fix it? Karl From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Jun 19 15:34:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:34:52 -0300 Subject: Where is man:/ protocol handler configured? References: <485A7985.7090709@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1723068.euj8lUxn3t@cedar.serverforest.com> Karl Klinger wrote: > Until recently, when I entered #command or man:/command at the alt-f2 > command prompt the man page for command would be displayed in konqueror. > Now when I try this, firefox opens with the message "Firefox doesn't > know how to open this address, because the protocol (man) isn't > associated with any program.". > > If I enter settings:/ at the command prompt, the settings protocol opens > in konqueror as expected. The _protocol_ handlers are set in Konqueror - which makes me suspect that what's actually screwed up is that you now have Firefox set as your default browser. -- derek From john.j35 at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 15:56:08 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:56:08 -0500 Subject: Common storage for adept_manager In-Reply-To: <14c581970806190527v2c013b41q347364f8c83bb33f@mail.gmail.com> References: <14c581970806190016j7f573d4p1596ea0d674711c9@mail.gmail.com> <3141369.UkpFDlAr1H@cedar.serverforest.com> <14c581970806190527v2c013b41q347364f8c83bb33f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Antonio Pérez wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> I use apt-move, as I've been mentioning in a current thread on ubuntu-users. >> There are many similar applications. However, a quick glance at apt-cacher >> looks like a slightly better alternative. I access my apt-move repository >> through Apache, whereas apt-cacher runs its own server - that's no big deal >> if you're already running Apache, but a clear win for apt-cacher otherwise. >> My secondary machines all have to point to Ubuntu in case the package they >> need isn't on my mirror, whereas apt-cacher simply fetches anything it >> doesn't already have. > > Yes, I think it's the best option. > > Apt-cacher is easy to configure (very, very easy), and you must only > change apt sources from http://*.ubuntu.com to http://yourlocalserver > on every local machines. > Looking at apt-cacher, thanks for all of your input. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 17:13:13 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:13:13 +0300 Subject: Games on KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <485A90ED.3030107@gmail.com> References: <485A90ED.3030107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <485A93A9.7040903@gmail.com> Michael wrote: > I just did a clean install of 8.04. I chose the KDE 3.5.9 instead of > 4.0 based on what I have been reading on the list. I also chose to > remove Dolphin, not because I didn't like - I have never used it - but > again because of what I have seen on the list. So far, I think 8.04 is > just great. After a few basic personalization tweaks, I have a system > that I really enjoy and is similar in looks to my 7.04 setup. Waiting a > few weeks to make the switch has paid off well. > > I do have a question about the games. Apparently, none of the KDE games > are installed by default in 8.04. On KDE's website at: > > http://games.kde.org/get.php?platform= > > I see a package called kdegames-kde4. I search KDE's website but > couldn't find the games for KDE 3.5.9. I am probably missing something > obvious, but what is the scoop? How do I get KDE games for version 3.5.9? > > Michael > > try kdegames, "sudo apt-get install kdegames", and you can use k-menu-->add/remove programs and see the games section for games you might like :) -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Thu Jun 19 17:15:02 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:15:02 +0100 Subject: Games on KDE 3.5.9 In-Reply-To: <485A90ED.3030107@gmail.com> References: <485A90ED.3030107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <485A9416.50406@tiscali.co.uk> Michael wrote: > I just did a clean install of 8.04. I chose the KDE 3.5.9 instead of > 4.0 based on what I have been reading on the list. I also chose to > remove Dolphin, not because I didn't like - I have never used it - but > again because of what I have seen on the list. So far, I think 8.04 is > just great. After a few basic personalization tweaks, I have a system > that I really enjoy and is similar in looks to my 7.04 setup. Waiting a > few weeks to make the switch has paid off well. > > I do have a question about the games. Apparently, none of the KDE games > are installed by default in 8.04. On KDE's website at: > > http://games.kde.org/get.php?platform= > > I see a package called kdegames-kde4. I search KDE's website but > couldn't find the games for KDE 3.5.9. I am probably missing something > obvious, but what is the scoop? How do I get KDE games for version 3.5.9? > > Michael > > > wulfy at localhost:~$ apt-cache show kdegames Package: kdegames Priority: optional Section: kde Installed-Size: 72 Maintainer: Ubuntu Core developers Original-Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers Architecture: all Version: 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1 Depends: atlantik (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kasteroids (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), katomic (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kbackgammon (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kbattleship (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kblackbox (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kbounce (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kenolaba (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kfouleggs (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kgoldrunner (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kjumpingcube (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), klickety (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), klines (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kmahjongg (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kmines (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), knetwalk (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kolf (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), konquest (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kpat (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kpoker (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kreversi (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), ksame (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kshisen (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), ksirtet (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), ksmiletris (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), ksnake (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), ksokoban (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kspaceduel (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), ktron (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), ktuberling (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), kwin4 (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), lskat (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1) Suggests: kdegames-doc-html (>= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1), khelpcenter Filename: pool/main/k/kdegames/kdegames_3.5.9-0ubuntu1_all.deb Size: 22430 MD5sum: cdb4ae177d7b7f9204d7093580722015 SHA1: f1e566ebe19a8c2fd570443cfee6ebeae88559fe SHA256: 1ca9f6a1ec64b46238d1ba00b331dde61bcc4beff8deae1c54521d7bec55ae15 Description: games from the official KDE release HTH -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From alvar.mercade at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 18:19:15 2008 From: alvar.mercade at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C0lvar_Mercad=E9?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:19:15 +0200 Subject: How Do I Get Opera To Work? (Graham Todd) Message-ID: Try this: (In Konsole) fo each library: ldconfig -p | grep "library_name" if it doesn't show anything and if the library is installed (as root or with sudo) ldconfig /full/path/to/library -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 19:02:05 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:02:05 +0300 Subject: Cannot access one's own files In-Reply-To: <4859826F.9030908@sbcglobal.net> References: <880dece00806170657v1f286b9flf0bc0e1b7170c9a8@mail.gmail.com> <200806171930.48740.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00806171155j4a508a1fs4ab2c7ed4a47abd7@mail.gmail.com> <200806182123.39823.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00806181306t1e72eac2gb2e31a7409020273@mail.gmail.com> <4859826F.9030908@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806191202i5c282765n46694d17ba2a64f3@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/19 Steven Vollom : > Do you have permissions correct on the partition or drive you want to > get the files from? > > If not or you don't know, I have some ideas that might help. I am kind > of new to Linux and operate Kubuntu Hardy, but with many partitions on > my machine, I had to get the permissions right to keep from being kept > out of my own files. > > You are probably advanced over me, but if you think I can help, email me. > Thanks, Steven. In fact the permissions are set properly. I can even access the folders in Konsole, but not Konqueror. The folders are not a mounting point for a separate partition. This only occurs on folders with non-ASCII names. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From valtermura at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 19:45:27 2008 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:45:27 +0200 Subject: Problem with printer Canon i560 Message-ID: <200806192145.27647.valtermura@gmail.com> Hi All, I've a problem with my printer Canon i560 during the printing of landscape-oriented documents (photos, pdf, and so on): the printer prints out all docs in a portrait format, it seems it cannot recognize the landscape format (obviously in Windows everything works well... :-( ) Does anybody knows a workaround? TIA, -- Valter Gnupgp ID: 0xD7274715 in hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org "Coltiva Linux, tanto Windows si pianta da solo" From karlok at fastmail.fm Thu Jun 19 21:13:23 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (Karl Klinger) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:13:23 -0700 Subject: Where is man:/ protocol handler configured? In-Reply-To: <1723068.euj8lUxn3t@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <485A7985.7090709@fastmail.fm> <1723068.euj8lUxn3t@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <485ACBF3.1090401@fastmail.fm> Derek Broughton wrote: > Karl Klinger wrote: > >> Until recently, when I entered #command or man:/command at the alt-f2 >> command prompt the man page for command would be displayed in konqueror. >> Now when I try this, firefox opens with the message "Firefox doesn't >> know how to open this address, because the protocol (man) isn't >> associated with any program.". >> >> If I enter settings:/ at the command prompt, the settings protocol opens >> in konqueror as expected. > > The _protocol_ handlers are set in Konqueror - which makes me suspect that > what's actually screwed up is that you now have Firefox set as your default > browser. Konqueror is the default browser. I have another user set up on this machine, and man:/ works fine there. What I find really confusing is that settings:/ opens in konqueror and man:/ tries to open in firefox. It's not that big a deal; I can always open konqueror and do the man:/ thing there. It just bugs me not knowing what went wrong. Karl From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Fri Jun 20 06:12:01 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:12:01 +0100 Subject: How Do I Get Opera To Work? (Graham Todd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080620071201.0ed194df@graham-desktop> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:19:15 +0200 "Àlvar Mercadé" wrote: > Try this: > (In Konsole) > fo each library: > > ldconfig -p | grep "library_name" > > if it doesn't show anything and if the library is installed > > (as root or with sudo) ldconfig /full/path/to/library Thanks for helping: I must appear a royal pain in the..... For each of ldconfig -p | grep JRE and ldconfig -p | grep qt3-mt I get nothing. I presume this means that the "library names" are not installed. Where to from here? - -- Graham Todd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Please sign and encrypt for internet privacy iD8DBQFIW0pVthMHx1h/UZYRAvyTAJ97C3WBusevBU7YanVnX2VKNXF1TwCeJNun yZ1ZjJheOSYEJVv5gY/NAhk= =Lkqh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jun 20 10:54:28 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:54:28 +0200 Subject: microphone in Dell Inspiron 1420N / Vostro 1400 Message-ID: <485B8C64.8020205@gmail.com> Just to assist anyone using Kubuntu I finally managed to get the mic working in Kubuntu, KDE that is, 8.04 version. Here is how: 1. in KMix choose tab Switches 2. in field "Digital Input Source" choose "Digital Mic 1" for built-in mic 3. in field "input source" set "Mic" (I set in all 3 fields) If you use the front input mic jack then: 2. in field "Digital Input Source" choose "Analogue Inputs" 3. in field "input source" set "Front Mic" (I set in all 3 fields) under tab "input" you might have to play around with "volumes" for the sources Good luck, Sinclair From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Fri Jun 20 11:13:00 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:13:00 +0400 Subject: microphone in Dell Inspiron 1420N / Vostro 1400 In-Reply-To: <485B8C64.8020205@gmail.com> References: <485B8C64.8020205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <485B90BC.9050305@gmail.com> O. Sinclair пишет: > Just to assist anyone using Kubuntu I finally managed to get the mic > working in Kubuntu, KDE that is, 8.04 version. > > Here is how: > 1. in KMix choose tab Switches > 2. in field "Digital Input Source" choose "Digital Mic 1" for built-in mic > 3. in field "input source" set "Mic" (I set in all 3 fields) > > If you use the front input mic jack then: > 2. in field "Digital Input Source" choose "Analogue Inputs" > 3. in field "input source" set "Front Mic" (I set in all 3 fields) > > under tab "input" you might have to play around with "volumes" for the > sources > > thank you! From alvar.mercade at gmail.com Fri Jun 20 11:40:45 2008 From: alvar.mercade at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C0lvar_Mercad=E9?=) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:40:45 +0200 Subject: How Do I Get Opera To Work? Message-ID: Ok: you have to launch these on a konsole: ldconfig -p | grep libqt-mt.so.3 ldconfig -p | grep libjvm.so ldconfig -p | grep libawt.so Every one of this commands should show you a line like this: libqt-mt.so.3 (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 But if they doesn't show anything; then you should search these libraries (under /lib and /usr/lib directories) and launch this command for each library: sudo ldconfig "here you should put the full path to the library" and try to launch opera. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch Fri Jun 20 12:20:04 2008 From: schweingruber at pharma-traduction.ch (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:20:04 +0200 Subject: How Do I Get Opera To Work? (Graham Todd) In-Reply-To: <20080620071201.0ed194df@graham-desktop> References: <20080620071201.0ed194df@graham-desktop> Message-ID: Hi Graham, On 20/06/2008, Graham Todd wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:19:15 +0200 > "Àlvar Mercadé" wrote: > > Thanks for helping: I must appear a royal pain in the..... > > For each of ldconfig -p | grep JRE and ldconfig -p | grep qt3-mt I get > nothing. I presume this means that the "library names" are not > installed. Where to from here? Where did you get Opera from? I installed it from the Opera website directly, then installed it with dpkg -i opera...... works fine for me, running Kubuntu 8.04, KDE4 nightly build (Neon) btw, it also works in my KDE 3.5.9 desktop on the same machine. From the above I suppose you have neither Java nor Qt3 installed (which seems strange as at least Qt3 is needed for KDE 3), both you can get with adept or any other package manager. Greets Myriam -- Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Fri Jun 20 18:29:50 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:29:50 +0200 Subject: KDE4 advice References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <871w2s3qox.fsf@fjellstad.org> "Steve Lamb" writes: > The only grouse I have, as the OP pointed out, is that the menus of each > are cluttered with portions of the other. I don't much mind having > Amarok in my Gnome/XFCE menus but having 3 different ways to configure > the system in each is a tad confusing. ;) Add OnlyShowIn=KDE in all kde .desktop files (they're in /usr/share/applications/kde). Then kde applications will only show in KDE. You can do the same for Gnome (OnlyShowIn=GNOME). The .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications (with all non-gnome apps). xfce probably has something similar. The following scripts will make KDE applications show in only KDE and Gnome applications only show in Gnome: ############## KDE #!/bin/bash pushd /usr/share/applications/kde for file in *.desktop; do grep -q OnlyShowIn=KDE $file if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then sudo su -c "echo 'OnlyShowIn=KDE' >> $file" fi done popd ############## ############## Gnome #!/bin/bash pushd /usr/share/applications for file in *.desktop; do echo $file | grep -q wireshark if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then continue fi echo $file | grep -q ^gnome if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then grep -q OnlyShowIn=GNOME $file if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then sudo su -c "echo 'OnlyShowIn=GNOME' >> $file" fi fi grep Categories $file | grep -q GNOME if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then grep -q OnlyShowIn=GNOME $file if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then sudo su -c "echo 'OnlyShowIn=GNOME' >> $file" fi fi grep -q X-GNOME-Bugzilla $file if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then grep -q OnlyShowIn=GNOME $file if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then sudo su -c "echo 'OnlyShowIn=GNOME' >> $file" fi fi done popd ################# -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From teeahr1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 20 19:20:04 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:20:04 -0500 Subject: KDE4 advice In-Reply-To: <871w2s3qox.fsf@fjellstad.org> References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <871w2s3qox.fsf@fjellstad.org> Message-ID: <200806201420.04514.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Friday June 20 2008 13:29:50 John L Fjellstad wrote: > "Steve Lamb" writes: > > The only grouse I have, as the OP pointed out, is that the menus of > > each are cluttered with portions of the other. I don't much mind having > > Amarok in my Gnome/XFCE menus but having 3 different ways to configure > > the system in each is a tad confusing. ;) > > Add OnlyShowIn=KDE in all kde .desktop files (they're in > /usr/share/applications/kde). Then kde applications will only show in > KDE. > You can do the same for Gnome (OnlyShowIn=GNOME). The .desktop files are > in /usr/share/applications (with all non-gnome apps). > xfce probably has something similar. > > The following scripts will make KDE applications show in only KDE and > Gnome applications only show in Gnome: > > ############## KDE > #!/bin/bash > > pushd /usr/share/applications/kde > for file in *.desktop; do > grep -q OnlyShowIn=KDE $file > if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then > sudo su -c "echo 'OnlyShowIn=KDE' >> $file" > fi > done > popd > > ############## > ############## Gnome > #!/bin/bash > > pushd /usr/share/applications > for file in *.desktop; do > echo $file | grep -q wireshark > if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then > continue > fi > echo $file | grep -q ^gnome > if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then > grep -q OnlyShowIn=GNOME $file > if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then > sudo su -c "echo 'OnlyShowIn=GNOME' >> $file" > fi > fi > grep Categories $file | grep -q GNOME > if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then > grep -q OnlyShowIn=GNOME $file > if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then > sudo su -c "echo 'OnlyShowIn=GNOME' >> $file" > fi > fi > grep -q X-GNOME-Bugzilla $file > if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then > grep -q OnlyShowIn=GNOME $file > if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then > sudo su -c "echo 'OnlyShowIn=GNOME' >> $file" > fi > fi > done > popd > ################# > > -- > John L. Fjellstad > web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes Hey, this is great, thank you! Does anyone know if there's a similar flag to differentiate between KDE3 and KDE4? -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Sat Jun 21 18:10:32 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:10:32 +0200 Subject: Bootloader options not identified clearly on GG Message-ID: <200806212010.32953.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> I've complained about this before, but am now having another rant about this. I've had one hell of a problem even getting the Gutsy Gibbon CD to boot on my new machine, that has an Asus M2N-X Plus mobo, and perhaps had something to do with the Asus EAX1550 Silent graphics card that I installed. Anyway I've eventually got the live cd to boot, and after doing the manual partioning , and inserting my real name, user etc, have ended up on the "Ready to install" screen. Now I've already been caught by this before, regarding where the bootloader is installed, and nearly made the same mistake again by just clicking on the install button, and the GG installer would have overwritten the MBR. I already have 3 OS's on this drive, and apart from the first one, the bootloader for the others is put in their respective / partitions. No way do I want the MBR to be overwritten. The "Ready to install" screen does have an "advanced" button at the lower right side, but is very easy to miss what this is for. As it happens, all this is for is the bootloader, so could we not have something a bit clearer here, like "Bootloader Options", rather than an obscure "Advanced" button??? Nigel, and nearly overwriting my MBR again with the GG install. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Jun 21 19:25:39 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:25:39 +0300 Subject: Bootloader options not identified clearly on GG In-Reply-To: <200806212010.32953.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200806212010.32953.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <485D55B3.7050803@gmail.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > I've complained about this before, but am now having another rant about this. > > I've had one hell of a problem even getting the Gutsy Gibbon CD to boot on my > new machine, that has an Asus M2N-X Plus mobo, and perhaps had something to > do with the Asus EAX1550 Silent graphics card that I installed. > > Anyway I've eventually got the live cd to boot, and after doing the manual > partioning , and inserting my real name, user etc, have ended up on the > "Ready to install" screen. > > Now I've already been caught by this before, regarding where the bootloader is > installed, and nearly made the same mistake again by just clicking on the > install button, and the GG installer would have overwritten the MBR. > > I already have 3 OS's on this drive, and apart from the first one, the > bootloader for the others is put in their respective / partitions. No way do > I want the MBR to be overwritten. > > The "Ready to install" screen does have an "advanced" button at the lower > right side, but is very easy to miss what this is for. As it happens, all > this is for is the bootloader, so could we not have something a bit clearer > here, like "Bootloader Options", rather than an obscure "Advanced" button??? > > Nigel, and nearly overwriting my MBR again with the GG install. > > i agree, the default boot options satisfy nearly everyone, but there are people who'd prefer other options, like in your case. i installed feisty and gutsy, and not until hardy that i noticed where grub options are, there should be a screen special for grub, or if the developers think it's not worth a step by it's own, put it somewhere in the partitioning screen, with an easy to spot button. and better still, add more options to it, choosing a drive is not enough, some people would like to edit more stuff in their grub menu! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Jun 21 19:41:22 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:41:22 -0400 Subject: Bootloader options not identified clearly on GG In-Reply-To: <485D55B3.7050803@gmail.com> References: <200806212010.32953.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <485D55B3.7050803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806211541.22406.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 21 June 2008, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i agree, the default boot options satisfy nearly everyone, but there are > people who'd prefer other options, like in your case. i installed feisty > and gutsy, and not until hardy that i noticed where grub options are, > there should be a screen special for grub, or if the developers think > it's not worth a step by it's own, put it somewhere in the partitioning > screen, with an easy to spot button. and better still, add more options > to it, choosing a drive is not enough, some people would like to edit > more stuff in their grub menu! Then why not edit it when the process is over. I never bother with going the extra step but just let grub be written to the MBR. (lazy) Yet I may have 3 *buntu's and an XP on a particular machine. It is a simple step to merge the boots from my old menu.lst into the new one and I'm done. And you can also change the default settings within the menu.lst at the same time. From grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com Sat Jun 21 20:23:48 2008 From: grahamtodd2 at googlemail.com (Graham Todd) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:23:48 +0100 Subject: How Do I Get Opera To Work? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080621212348.63a0de02@rocker-desktop> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:40:45 +0200 "Àlvar Mercadé" wrote: > Ok: > you have to launch these on a konsole: [snipped] Thanks to everybody who helped on and off list, especially Alvar. After installing the first library I could not get the others to load, and then the machine froze on me. After three freeze-ups, I decided to download Kubuntu again, burn it to disk, and reinstall. Because the original install was made under Kubuntu 7.10 and then updated, I decided to make an install from Kubuntu 8.04. It seemed to go well, and I installed the 64bit version of Opera next, which now works - my friend is now back! :-) Again, thanks for all your help ! -- Graham Todd From kbl at adept-hosting.net Sat Jun 21 20:52:21 2008 From: kbl at adept-hosting.net (kbl at adept-hosting.net) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:52:21 -0600 Subject: Bootloader options not identified clearly on GG Message-ID: <200806211452.22101.kbl@adept-hosting.net> On Saturday 21 June 2008 13:25:39 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > i agree, the default boot options satisfy nearly everyone, but there are > people who'd prefer other options, like in your case. i installed feisty > and gutsy, and not until hardy that i noticed where grub options are, > there should be a screen special for grub, or if the developers think > it's not worth a step by it's own, put it somewhere in the partitioning > screen, with an easy to spot button. and better still, add more options > to it, choosing a drive is not enough, some people would like to edit > more stuff in their grub menu! Is this not what the alternative install CD is for? Just a thought. Ken ------------------------------------------------------- From doug at curreycentral.com Sat Jun 21 20:58:48 2008 From: doug at curreycentral.com (doug at curreycentral.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SpamAssassin question Message-ID: <8fd1a08f77873e9bcd6d77960212e63f.squirrel@webmail2.curreycentral.com> I have been playing around trying to get SA working. So far things seem to be going fine except some spam does get delivered. The problem seems I have added a couple of my domains in the whitelisted. In the local.cf file "whitelist_from *@mydomain.com" problem is when someone forges the return address from my domain say "user at mydomain.com" the mail always gets delivered. As it should I guess. Anyway of limiting this. I can't believe its that easy to bypass SA. Not sure I am reading the headers right but isn't this message also failing RBL checks. If so should I disable them in SA and turn them on in Postfix? Anything else I should try? Here is the message headers. ---------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on ddc1.mydomain.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-74.8 required=5.0 tests=DIGEST_MULTIPLE, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_3,MIME_HTML_ONLY, PYZOR_CHECK,RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK, RCVD_IN_PBL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,URIBL_AB_SURBL,URIBL_JP_SURBL,URIBL_OB_SURBL, URIBL_SBL,URIBL_SC_SURBL,URIBL_WS_SURBL,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.2.4 X-Spam-RBL-Results: [127.0.0.11] [216.218.174.137] [208.67.217.132] [127.0.0.10] [1 curmudgeon.org.] X-Original-To: myuser at mydomain.com Delivered-To: myuser at mydomain.com Received: from ddc1.mydomain.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ddc1.mydomain.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7767A152ABA for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tkaczuk-7rrh0j1 (aduj3.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [79.185.247.3]) by ddc1.mydomain.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BD1B0152AB9 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Content-Return: allowed X-Mailer: CME-V6.5.4.3; MSN Message-Id: <20080621040216.4888.qmail at tkaczuk-7rrh0j1> To: Subject: Dear myser at mydomain.com June 81% 0FF From: VIAGRA ® Official Site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:05:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ronw at paradise.net.nz Sat Jun 21 22:24:37 2008 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (Ron Wilson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:24:37 +1200 Subject: KDE4 advice In-Reply-To: <48595C18.5000101@gmail.com> References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <48595C18.5000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1214087077.6570.1.camel@angela> ------------------- Ron Wilson This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 22:03 +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > s that i'm more > worried about, i heard for example that samba doesn't work properly, > which is very important for my work. Actually Samba does not work period in KDE4. So if you need samba stick with 3.59 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kbl at adept-hosting.net Sun Jun 22 03:41:09 2008 From: kbl at adept-hosting.net (kbl at adept-hosting.net) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:41:09 -0600 Subject: SpamAssassin question In-Reply-To: <8fd1a08f77873e9bcd6d77960212e63f.squirrel@webmail2.curreycentral.com> References: <8fd1a08f77873e9bcd6d77960212e63f.squirrel@webmail2.curreycentral.com> Message-ID: <200806212141.09644.kbl@adept-hosting.net> On Saturday 21 June 2008 14:58:48 doug at curreycentral.com wrote: > I have been playing around trying to get SA working. So far things seem > to be going fine except some spam does get delivered. > > The problem seems I have added a couple of my domains in the whitelisted. > In the local.cf file "whitelist_from *@mydomain.com" problem is when > someone forges the return address from my domain say "user at mydomain.com" > the mail always gets delivered. As it should I guess. Anyway of limiting > this. I can't believe its that easy to bypass SA. > > Not sure I am reading the headers right but isn't this message also > failing RBL checks. If so should I disable them in SA and turn them on in > Postfix? > > Anything else I should try? Without digging into the SpamAssassin documentation, it occurs to me that you may want to look at whitelisting on other headers. Its dead easy to spoof a from: header but Received: and other headers are harder to spoof. There's multiple approaches to using SpamAssassin. One of the simplest is to just have SpamAssassin set the X-Spam-Level: header and sort email on that header, all marked spam going to a spam folder. You review the spam folder contents and delete when you are sure there are no false positivies. Whitelisting (I believe) over-rides X-Spam-Level: and you are subject to how sneaky the spammers are. Personally, I find X-Spam-Level: is much more reliable than any whitelisting, etc., and a whole lot simpler. YMMV. - ken From grey at dmiyu.org Sun Jun 22 17:16:48 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:16:48 -0700 Subject: KDE4 advice In-Reply-To: <48595C18.5000101@gmail.com> References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <48595C18.5000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <485E8900.6080504@dmiyu.org> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i heard for example that samba doesn't work properly, > which is very important for my work. so i guess i'll stick to kde3 for I'm still trying to wrap my brain around how KDE4 could somehow make Samba fail. Samba's completely different. Unless you mean there is some configuration tool in KDE4 which doesn't work with Samba. However once configured KDE4 should have no interaction with Samba and it should work. From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sun Jun 22 18:43:55 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:43:55 -0400 Subject: KDE4 advice In-Reply-To: <485E8900.6080504@dmiyu.org> References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <48595C18.5000101@gmail.com> <485E8900.6080504@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <3dde113c0806221143j2ec504e5p274e1ee7ba5cd1ac@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > i heard for example that samba doesn't work properly, > > which is very important for my work. so i guess i'll stick to kde3 for > > I'm still trying to wrap my brain around how KDE4 could somehow make > Samba fail. Samba's completely different. Unless you mean there is some > configuration tool in KDE4 which doesn't work with Samba. However once > configured KDE4 should have no interaction with Samba and it should work. > I have been wondering the same thing. As far as I can tell, what people are potentially complaining about is how well Dolphin works with the smb:// approach to loading a SMB/samba share. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hensandpat at earthlink.net Sun Jun 22 19:35:51 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:35:51 -0500 Subject: howto dual boot vista/kubuntu 8.04 using vista bootloader with easybcd ? In-Reply-To: <200805072322.13483.nixternal@kubuntu.org> References: <482277E0.9080307@picasso.ucsf.edu> <200805072322.13483.nixternal@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: <485EA997.10905@earthlink.net> Richard A. Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Christophe Guilbert wrote: > | Hi , > | I would like to install a dual boot Vista/Kubuntu 8.04 and start Linux > | with Vista bootloader. > | Vista is already installed in the first partition of the HD and I don't > | want grub to be install there and override the MBR. > | when installing Linux , can I install grub on the second partition ? > | As far as I remember, I don't have this option when installing Kubuntu. > | I want to boot Linux from Vista bootloader using easybcd .... > | > | Thanks. > | > | Chris > | > | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | In a world without walls and fences, > | who needs Windows and Gates? > | - Sun Microsystems > > You have a couple of options: > > 1) When using the Desktop CD, when you get to the final step prior to clicking > the installation, click the advanced button and tell it not to install GRUB. If > you do not install GRUB then you will have to manually edit your Vista > bootloader information. > > 2) Install Kubuntu utilizing Wubi from the Desktop CD. Insert the Desktop CD > into your CDROM drive while Vista is running. The autorun should kick in and > bring you to a main window. From there you could select the Wubi stuff. This > will install Kubuntu to a virtual partition that is created with Wubi. Wubi > will even edit your Vista bootloader for you. Wubi will install Kubuntu on your > Vista box just like you would install any other piece of software. So removal > is as easy as doing the Uninstall stuff for Vista. > > Hi, Where is my Suse? I have a second drive along my 1st drive with win xp on first base, thus installed opensuse on my second drive, after I restarted the machine, wind xp seemed gone and suse being ignored. After reconfig the bios and resetting reconfiguration, wn xp is back and both drives are recognized. However how do I start opensuse? John From ronw at paradise.net.nz Sun Jun 22 19:46:09 2008 From: ronw at paradise.net.nz (ronw at paradise.net.nz) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:46:09 +1200 (NZST) Subject: KDE4 advice In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0806221143j2ec504e5p274e1ee7ba5cd1ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <48593262.8090901@gmail.com> <200806181012.16225.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> <34566.206.159.183.75.1213809906.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> <48595C18.5000101@gmail.com> <485E8900.6080504@dmiyu.org> <3dde113c0806221143j2ec504e5p274e1ee7ba5cd1ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1214163969.485eac01656b9@www.paradise.net.nz> Quoting John DeCarlo : > On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > > i heard for example that samba doesn't work properly, > > > which is very important for my work. so i guess i'll stick to kde3 > for > > > > I'm still trying to wrap my brain around how KDE4 could somehow make > > Samba fail. Samba's completely different. Unless you mean there is > some > > configuration tool in KDE4 which doesn't work with Samba. However > once > > configured KDE4 should have no interaction with Samba and it should > work. > > > > I have been wondering the same thing. > > As far as I can tell, what people are potentially complaining about is > how > well Dolphin works with the smb:// approach to loading a SMB/samba > share. > > -- > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > That is correct. It is hard to say whether it is something that has changed in Dolphin or something else in KDE4. But basically when you select Places in Dolphin it fails with a message that it cannot find any shares. If you log off and select standard KDE then samba in Dolphin works fine. Under KDE4 you cannot even open konsole and run smb on its own. So something has changed in the KDE4 process but no idea what - Ron Wilson From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar Sun Jun 22 20:35:00 2008 From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L. Berdaguer) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:35:00 -0300 Subject: Netbeans and Java implementations Message-ID: <200806221735.00573.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> Hello, I installed the sun-java6 packages and Netbeans IDE... but the netbeans package from ubuntu repositories depends on the onpenjdk-6-jre packages. Why is that? Do I really need openjdk if I already have the sun implementation installed? How can I manage to delete the openjdk while keeping netbeans? Thanks From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Jun 22 21:36:23 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:36:23 -0400 Subject: howto dual boot vista/kubuntu 8.04 using vista bootloader with easybcd ? In-Reply-To: <485EA997.10905@earthlink.net> References: <482277E0.9080307@picasso.ucsf.edu> <200805072322.13483.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <485EA997.10905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200806221736.24128.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 22 June 2008, John Heinen wrote: > Hi,  Where is my Suse? >  I have a second drive along my 1st drive with win xp on first base, > thus installed opensuse on my second drive, after I restarted the > machine, wind xp seemed gone and suse being ignored. > After reconfig the bios and resetting reconfiguration, wn xp is back and > both drives are recognized. However how do I start opensuse? John More details please. What bootloader are you using and what does it show you when it boots? Grub is easy to configure. The XP bootloader is not my cup of tea and someone else will have to answer for that. From kbl at adept-hosting.net Mon Jun 23 04:31:25 2008 From: kbl at adept-hosting.net (kbl at adept-hosting.net) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:31:25 -0600 Subject: Netbeans and Java implementations In-Reply-To: <200806221735.00573.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200806221735.00573.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <200806222231.25259.kbl@adept-hosting.net> On Sunday 22 June 2008 14:35:00 Pablo L. Berdaguer wrote: > Hello, > I installed the sun-java6 packages and Netbeans IDE... but the netbeans > package from ubuntu repositories depends on the onpenjdk-6-jre packages. > Why is that? Do I really need openjdk if I already have the sun > implementation installed? How can I manage to delete the openjdk while > keeping netbeans? > > Thanks I don't know this package specifically but I would think you will need some form of JDK. JRE is the run-time environment and JDK is the development kit. You need *a* development kit to work with the IDE. So, logically, you will need the openjdk package. I don't know if the sun-java6 packages you installed include a compatible jdk but I'm assuming openjdk *is* a dependancy of Netbeans. Package maintainers don't usually include something unless it is truly a dependancy. Now, the Netbeans website (http://www.netbeans.org/features/java/index.html) doesn't specifically mention openjdk as a dependancy but at the bottom of the page it lists openjdk as a *companion* project. This leads me to believe that you will probably want to install it. Its best to at least install the dependancies with the program and then consider whether it can be reconfigured to use alternative preferences. Hope that helps. - ken From gmane at auxbuss.com Mon Jun 23 08:59:53 2008 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:59:53 +0200 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update Message-ID: Hi, Just ran aptitude update on Gutsy which installed a new kernel[1]: After reboot, as usual for vmware, I ran: sudo vmware-config-network.pl but this failed with Starting VMware services: Virtual machine monitor failed Virtual ethernet failed Module vmnet is not loaded. Please verify that it is loaded before running this script. So: sudo modprobe vmnet FATAL: Module vmnet not found. So, I tried: sudo aptitude reinstall vmware-server but this fails[2]. Any ideas? -- Cheers, Marc [1] title Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-15-generic root (hd0,4) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-15-generic root=UUID=27fd1bd9-1902-4f78- 8176-2e20b4403d8c ro quiet splash initrd /initrd.img-2.6.22-15-generic [2] Unpacking replacement vmware-server ... Setting up vmware-server (1.0.4-1gutsy2) ... Starting VMware services: Virtual machine monitor failed Virtual ethernet failed Module vmnet is not loaded. Please verify that it is loaded before running this script. invoke-rc.d: initscript vmware-server, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing vmware-server (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: vmware-server E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Setting up vmware-server (1.0.4-1gutsy2) ... Starting VMware services: Virtual machine monitor failed Virtual ethernet failed Module vmnet is not loaded. Please verify that it is loaded before running this script. invoke-rc.d: initscript vmware-server, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing vmware-server (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: vmware-server Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initialising package states... Done Building tag database... Done From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jun 23 10:33:04 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:33:04 +0100 Subject: Netbeans and Java implementations In-Reply-To: <200806222231.25259.kbl@adept-hosting.net> References: <200806221735.00573.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <200806222231.25259.kbl@adept-hosting.net> Message-ID: <485F7BE0.8000904@tiscali.co.uk> kbl at adept-hosting.net wrote: > On Sunday 22 June 2008 14:35:00 Pablo L. Berdaguer wrote: > >> Hello, >> I installed the sun-java6 packages and Netbeans IDE... but the netbeans >> package from ubuntu repositories depends on the onpenjdk-6-jre packages. >> Why is that? Do I really need openjdk if I already have the sun >> implementation installed? How can I manage to delete the openjdk while >> keeping netbeans? >> >> Thanks >> > > I don't know this package specifically but I would think you will need some > form of JDK. JRE is the run-time environment and JDK is the development kit. > You need *a* development kit to work with the IDE. So, logically, you will > need the openjdk package. I don't know if the sun-java6 packages you > installed include a compatible jdk but I'm assuming openjdk *is* a dependancy > of Netbeans. Netbeans depends on libnb-platform7-java which in turn depends on openjdk-6-jre OR sun-java6-jre. I assume that the packagers *prefer* the openjdk version because it is FOSS Of course you need a full -jdk to compile so one or other (openjdk-6-jdk OR sun-java6-jdk) is required but not both. Either contains the (appropriate) -jre files. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From johndecarlo at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 13:30:12 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:30:12 -0400 Subject: Netbeans and Java implementations In-Reply-To: <200806221735.00573.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200806221735.00573.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <3dde113c0806230630r443f8ba7u9c2daa41f2a2d3ad@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Pablo L. Berdaguer < plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar> wrote: > I installed the sun-java6 packages and Netbeans IDE... but the netbeans > package > from ubuntu repositories depends on the onpenjdk-6-jre packages. Why is > that? > Do I really need openjdk if I already have the sun implementation > installed? > How can I manage to delete the openjdk while keeping netbeans? > As Wulfy said, it is likely that the Debian/Ubuntu packagers want to encourage use of FOSS. I fiddled with it a bit, but couldn't figure out an easy way to remove the open jdk stuff and keep NetBeans. I recommend you either live with it and make sure NetBeans is configured to use the Sun jdk, or remove the packages and download the real NetBeans directly. It isn't hard to install if you follow the instructions. Plus, you can pick different package combinations. And once you are on netbeans.org, you can look at plugins available, etc. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 23 14:04:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:04:19 -0300 Subject: Netbeans and Java implementations References: <200806221735.00573.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <200806222231.25259.kbl@adept-hosting.net> <485F7BE0.8000904@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <4577836.FjzqPCyCRg@cedar.serverforest.com> Wulfy wrote: > kbl at adept-hosting.net wrote: >> On Sunday 22 June 2008 14:35:00 Pablo L. Berdaguer wrote: >> >>> I installed the sun-java6 packages and Netbeans IDE... but the netbeans >>> package from ubuntu repositories depends on the onpenjdk-6-jre packages. >>> Why is that? Do I really need openjdk if I already have the sun >>> implementation installed? How can I manage to delete the openjdk while >>> keeping netbeans? >>> >> I don't know this package specifically but I would think you will need >> some form of JDK. JRE is the run-time environment and JDK is the >> development kit. You need *a* development kit to work with the IDE. So, >> logically, you will need the openjdk package. I don't know if the >> sun-java6 packages you installed include a compatible jdk but I'm >> assuming openjdk *is* a dependancy of Netbeans. > Netbeans depends on libnb-platform7-java which in turn depends on > openjdk-6-jre OR sun-java6-jre. I assume that the packagers *prefer* > the openjdk version because it is FOSS > > Of course you need a full -jdk to compile so one or other (openjdk-6-jdk > OR sun-java6-jdk) is required but not both. Either contains the > (appropriate) -jre files. As Wulfy says, it doesn't need openjdk. I just tried installing netbeans, and it wants the @#$%! gcj packages, that I spend so much time trying to keep OFF my system, but it's just fine with the sun jdk. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 23 14:10:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:10:38 -0300 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update References: Message-ID: <3452807.7tZilFhkJI@cedar.serverforest.com> marc wrote: > Just ran aptitude update on Gutsy which installed a new kernel[1]: "aptitude update" never installs anything - it just updates your package view. If you really have installed new packages, you must have used one of the upgrade optins. > After reboot, as usual for vmware, I ran: > > sudo vmware-config-network.pl ... > So, I tried: > > sudo aptitude reinstall vmware-server > > but this fails[2]. > > Any ideas? Try dpkg-reconfigure, and if that doesn't do the job, purging and then installing vmware. Also, you can look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/vmware* to see what the postinst scripts usually do. -- derek From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jun 23 15:26:47 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:26:47 +0100 Subject: Netbeans and Java implementations In-Reply-To: <4577836.FjzqPCyCRg@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200806221735.00573.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <200806222231.25259.kbl@adept-hosting.net> <485F7BE0.8000904@tiscali.co.uk> <4577836.FjzqPCyCRg@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <485FC0B7.7040408@tiscali.co.uk> Derek Broughton wrote: > Wulfy wrote: > > As Wulfy says, it doesn't need openjdk. I just tried installing netbeans, > and it wants the @#$%! gcj packages, that I spend so much time trying to > keep OFF my system, but it's just fine with the sun jdk. > Perhaps a way forward would be to install the Sun Java first... then the dependencies would be met and Netbeans would not have to drag in openjdk or gcj... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From mailinglist at endosquid.com Mon Jun 23 15:41:14 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:41:14 -0400 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update In-Reply-To: <3452807.7tZilFhkJI@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <3452807.7tZilFhkJI@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200806231141.14532.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Monday 23 June 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > marc wrote: > > Just ran aptitude update on Gutsy which installed a new kernel[1]: > > "aptitude update" never installs anything - it just updates your package > view. If you really have installed new packages, you must have used one of > the upgrade optins. Perhaps he meant the task, not the literal wording. From barnaby at drofle.com Mon Jun 23 17:26:56 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:26:56 +0100 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy Message-ID: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> Recently I did a fresh install of Gutsy on my two year old computer as a replacement for Edgy. I also have a CD of Hardy, but I wanted to try Gutsy first. All went well until a few days ago when my computer suddenly died on me. Nothing worked, so I took it to the local computer shop where it was built for me two years ago. To save time, it turned out that the HD had completely packed in and to help matters further the optical drive was faulty too. The latter did not surprise me as I had been having some problems reading CD's recently. Anyway, Gutsy has now been installed on the new HD, and I am surprised to find a few differences. Here are some examples. First install, no sound, I had to play with kmix to get it working. New install, sound worked straight away. First install I had Java Run Time working very easily via Add/Remove programs. This time I have had to install Java manually, though I am still trying to work out where to put the link. Last time, I could not get Java to work in Opera, although it was fine in Firefox. This time I am still struggling in FF but Java is working in Opera without any trouble. What puzzles me is that the only changes to the computer are a new HD and a new optical drive. I have installed Gutsy this time round from the same CD as last time. As I mentioned above I was having problems with the original DVD drive, especially with music CD's. Amarok would not do anything, neither would kaffeine or KsCD. Now with the new optical drive amarok will still not work, but both kaffeine and KsCd will now play music. Computers, don't you just love 'em??!! Any comments anyone? Neil Winchurst From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 17:55:47 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:55:47 -0600 Subject: Switching desktop from keyboard Message-ID: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> Does anyone know how to set up KDE so that it obeys keystrokes of the form "Win Key + digit" to change desktops? For example, the default for switching to desktop 5 is "Ctrl + F5". If I replace that with "Win + 5" in the system settings, it doesn't work. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Jun 23 18:14:54 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:14:54 -0400 Subject: Switching desktop from keyboard In-Reply-To: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> References: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806231414.55421.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Monday 23 June 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: > Does anyone know how to set up KDE so that it obeys keystrokes of the form > "Win Key + digit" to change desktops? > > For example, the default for switching to desktop 5 is "Ctrl + F5". If I > replace that with "Win + 5" in the system settings, it doesn't work. Works fine here.... never knew the WIN key could be used. From tycho at tycho.ws Mon Jun 23 18:32:19 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:32:19 -0500 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> Message-ID: <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> First of all, this is my first post to kubuntu-users, hello everyone =) On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > First install I had Java Run Time working very easily via Add/Remove > programs. This time I have had to install Java manually, though I am > still trying to work out where to put the link. > You're speaking of Sun's JRE vs. gcj? I think by default (K)Ubuntu uses gcj, or /etc/alternatives/java. If you want to force it to use Sun's java, link java to /usr/lib/jvm//jre/java. sudo ln -s `which java` /usr/lib/jvm/sun-jre-1.6/jre/java I may have the path names wrong though, I'm at work so I can't check. Tycho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Mon Jun 23 18:49:12 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:49:12 +0100 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485FF028.9040408@yahoo.it> Tycho Andersen wrote: > First of all, this is my first post to kubuntu-users, hello everyone =) > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> First install I had Java Run Time working very easily via Add/Remove >> programs. This time I have had to install Java manually, though I am >> still trying to work out where to put the link. >> > > You're speaking of Sun's JRE vs. gcj? I think by default (K)Ubuntu uses gcj, > or /etc/alternatives/java. If you want to force it to use Sun's java, link > java to /usr/lib/jvm//jre/java. > > sudo ln -s `which java` /usr/lib/jvm/sun-jre-1.6/jre/java > I'd suggest update-alternatives instead, easier to configure and maintain. HTH, I. > I may have the path names wrong though, I'm at work so I can't check. > > Tycho > > From gmane at auxbuss.com Mon Jun 23 18:49:03 2008 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:49:03 +0200 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update References: <3452807.7tZilFhkJI@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: Derek Broughton said... > marc wrote: > > > Just ran aptitude update on Gutsy which installed a new kernel[1]: > > > After reboot, as usual for vmware, I ran: > > > > sudo vmware-config-network.pl > ... > > So, I tried: > > > > sudo aptitude reinstall vmware-server > > > > but this fails[2]. > > > > Any ideas? > > Try dpkg-reconfigure, and if that doesn't do the job, purging and then > installing vmware. Also, you can look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/vmware* to see > what the postinst scripts usually do. dpkg-reconfigure complained that the package wasn't completely installed. And installation fails. Thus, purged, but still the installation failed. So, I rebooted into the old kernel (Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic), installed, and vmware server worked fine. Seems like vmware-server-kernel-modules still depends on: vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.22-14 and there is no sign of: vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.22-15 since installing on 22-15 simply pulls in the above for 22-14. Odd that no-one else is having the same problem, though. -- Cheers, Marc From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 23 18:51:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:51:20 -0300 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> Tycho Andersen wrote: > First of all, this is my first post to kubuntu-users, hello everyone =) > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Neil Winchurst > wrote: > >> First install I had Java Run Time working very easily via Add/Remove >> programs. This time I have had to install Java manually, though I am >> still trying to work out where to put the >> link. >> > > You're speaking of Sun's JRE vs. gcj? I think by default (K)Ubuntu uses > gcj, or /etc/alternatives/java. If you want to force it to use Sun's java, > link java to /usr/lib/jvm/ here>/jre/java. > > sudo ln -s `which java` /usr/lib/jvm/sun-jre-1.6/jre/java Please don't. Install the jdk/jre from multiverse (packages sun-java6-*) and use "update-java-alternatives" -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Mon Jun 23 18:52:02 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:52:02 -0300 Subject: Switching desktop from keyboard References: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> <200806231414.55421.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <1247053.4IA6S4lsuO@cedar.serverforest.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Monday 23 June 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: >> Does anyone know how to set up KDE so that it obeys keystrokes of the >> form "Win Key + digit" to change desktops? >> >> For example, the default for switching to desktop 5 is "Ctrl + F5". If I >> replace that with "Win + 5" in the system settings, it doesn't work. > > > Works fine here.... never knew the WIN key could be used. Never knew the ctrl key could be used :-) -- derek From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 19:05:17 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:05:17 -0600 Subject: Switching desktop from keyboard In-Reply-To: <200806231414.55421.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> <200806231414.55421.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <485FF3ED.2020004@gmail.com> Bruce Marshall said the following at 06/23/2008 12:14 PM : > On Monday 23 June 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: >> Does anyone know how to set up KDE so that it obeys keystrokes of the form >> "Win Key + digit" to change desktops? >> >> For example, the default for switching to desktop 5 is "Ctrl + F5". If I >> replace that with "Win + 5" in the system settings, it doesn't work. > > > Works fine here.... never knew the WIN key could be used. > Hmmm... well it sure doesn't work here :-( Running 64-bit gutsy. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From johndecarlo at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 19:08:09 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:08:09 -0400 Subject: Switching desktop from keyboard In-Reply-To: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> References: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0806231208o3ceafbb7m7fb86d2ad7e2c2cb@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:55 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > Does anyone know how to set up KDE so that it obeys keystrokes of the form > "Win Key + digit" to change desktops? > > For example, the default for switching to desktop 5 is "Ctrl + F5". If I > replace that with "Win + 5" in the system settings, it doesn't work. > It works for me. 1. Did you hit Apply to make it take effect? 2. Did you save the new scheme? I found this part confusing, because I wanted it to have the same name, so I clicked back on default instead of Custom. I noticed this wiped out all my key settings. So I went back and set them again. Then I saved the Custom, but kept the same name and overwrote the old one. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 19:38:01 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:38:01 +0200 Subject: Netbeans and Java implementations In-Reply-To: <485F7BE0.8000904@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200806221735.00573.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <200806222231.25259.kbl@adept-hosting.net> <485F7BE0.8000904@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: 2008/6/23 Wulfy : > Of course you need a full -jdk to compile so one or other (openjdk-6-jdk > OR sun-java6-jdk) is required but not both. Either contains the > (appropriate) -jre files. > Anyone know what the difference is between openjdk-6 and sun-java-6? If i remember right it's the same codebase minor some code that SUN could not release and that code has been replaced in openjdk with a free one? / Jonas From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 19:54:40 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:54:40 -0600 Subject: Switching desktop from keyboard In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0806231208o3ceafbb7m7fb86d2ad7e2c2cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> <3dde113c0806231208o3ceafbb7m7fb86d2ad7e2c2cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485FFF80.4030701@gmail.com> John DeCarlo said the following at 06/23/2008 01:08 PM : > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:55 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to set up KDE so that it obeys keystrokes of the form >> "Win Key + digit" to change desktops? >> >> For example, the default for switching to desktop 5 is "Ctrl + F5". If I >> replace that with "Win + 5" in the system settings, it doesn't work. >> > > It works for me. > > 1. Did you hit Apply to make it take effect? > Yes. > 2. Did you save the new scheme? I found this part confusing, because I No. But if I change the key combination to something that doesn't involve the Win key, then as soon as I hit "Apply" then the new key combination takes effect, so I don't think that this step is necessary. It's as if something else is stealing the Win key, but I have no idea how to go about figuring out what might be doing so. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From slewin at bmts.com Mon Jun 23 20:05:19 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:05:19 -0400 Subject: Switching desktop from keyboard In-Reply-To: <485FFF80.4030701@gmail.com> References: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> <3dde113c0806231208o3ceafbb7m7fb86d2ad7e2c2cb@mail.gmail.com> <485FFF80.4030701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <486001FF.4050701@bmts.com> D. R. Evans wrote: > It's as if something else is stealing the Win key, but I have no idea how > to go about figuring out what might be doing so. I know Amarok uses the win key to do certain task. For example, win + B is next song. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From mlsoft at videotron.ca Mon Jun 23 21:15:48 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:15:48 -0400 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200806231715.48902.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Monday 23 June 2008 13:26:56 Neil Winchurst wrote: > Recently I did a fresh install of Gutsy on my two year old computer as a > replacement for Edgy. I also have a CD of Hardy, but I wanted to try > Gutsy first. All went well until a few days ago when my computer > suddenly died on me. Nothing worked, so I took it to the local computer > shop where it was built for me two years ago. > > To save time, it turned out that the HD had completely packed in and to > help matters further the optical drive was faulty too. The latter did > not surprise me as I had been having some problems reading CD's recently. > > Anyway, Gutsy has now been installed on the new HD, and I am surprised > to find a few differences. Here are some examples. > > First install, no sound, I had to play with kmix to get it working. New > install, sound worked straight away. > > First install I had Java Run Time working very easily via Add/Remove > programs. This time I have had to install Java manually, though I am > still trying to work out where to put the link. > > Last time, I could not get Java to work in Opera, although it was fine > in Firefox. This time I am still struggling in FF but Java is working in > Opera without any trouble. > > What puzzles me is that the only changes to the computer are a new HD > and a new optical drive. I have installed Gutsy this time round from the > same CD as last time. > > As I mentioned above I was having problems with the original DVD drive, > especially with music CD's. Amarok would not do anything, neither would > kaffeine or KsCD. Now with the new optical drive amarok will still not > work, but both kaffeine and KsCd will now play music. > > Computers, don't you just love 'em??!! > > Any comments anyone? > > Neil Winchurst > I suggest to check integrity of the install CD. There is an option for this when you boot from the CD. If this CD was burned by the soon to be defective optical drive then you may doubt that the contents is perfect. Incorrect sectors (a few) on the disk, can lead to random contents read at install time. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 From chadthecommie at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 22:35:59 2008 From: chadthecommie at gmail.com (Chad Moore) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:35:59 -0500 Subject: Well I think I have an nvidia problem Message-ID: <23e1b420806231535i1a68b08dkc941d78bc8937a73@mail.gmail.com> I am rather new to Kubuntu and this is my second time posting on this mailing list. This list has helped me a great deal with my problems with Kubuntu but now I am stuck and need some advice. My computer was running great for about a 2 months now and when I restarted it yesterday, during start up diagnostic, it tells me that the sba1 has been forced mounted 35 times and needs to be scanned...and runs a scan disk esk program. Well everything turned out to be fine but when the computer ended up booting...all my graphic card settings are shot and its stuck its 640 x 480. All help would be great. Thanks a lot. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan10x10 at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 00:37:24 2008 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:37:24 -0400 Subject: nvidia install problem Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0806231737j5e506514ieb9572bd0fdc10dc@mail.gmail.com> I am having a problem loading hardy. Kubuntu (7) ran fine but I installed an Nvidia 9700 video card in place of a 6300 and when I try to boot into a new hardy install the monitor screen is full of jagged meaningless forms. Is there an alternative method of install or some other method to get the OS to run. Would rather not put 6300 back in if it can be avoided. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Jun 24 00:50:41 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:50:41 -0400 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! Message-ID: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Anyone notice that in your: ~/.mozilla/firefox/vdt4357z.default Directory there is a file(s) that start with: urlclassifier3.sqlite (various names) Some of these files are huge (like 53mb) I deleted them all on a whim the other day and within a day the above file came back at 53mb. I really don't think these things are necessary.... i.e. why in heck are they so big and what are they doing with them? Anyone have a clue? From anton at wilddsl.net.au Tue Jun 24 02:28:49 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:28:49 +1000 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! In-Reply-To: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48605BE1.20200@wilddsl.net.au> Bruce Marshall wrote: > Anyone notice that in your: > > ~/.mozilla/firefox/vdt4357z.default > > Directory there is a file(s) that start with: > > urlclassifier3.sqlite (various names) > > Some of these files are huge (like 53mb) > > I deleted them all on a whim the other day and within a day the above file > came back at 53mb. > > I really don't think these things are necessary.... i.e. why in heck are > they so big and what are they doing with them? > > Anyone have a clue? I have a file, only 5MB 5519360 2008-06-23 23:44 urlclassifier2.sqlite Looking inside, I see some urls and lots of zero bytes. Using gzip -9, the file compresses down to 26% of of its full size. From anton at wilddsl.net.au Tue Jun 24 02:50:14 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:50:14 +1000 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! In-Reply-To: <48605BE1.20200@wilddsl.net.au> References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48605BE1.20200@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <486060E6.9010005@wilddsl.net.au> Anton Rolls wrote: > Bruce Marshall wrote: >> Anyone notice that in your: >> >> ~/.mozilla/firefox/vdt4357z.default >> >> Directory there is a file(s) that start with: >> >> urlclassifier3.sqlite (various names) >> >> Some of these files are huge (like 53mb) >> >> I deleted them all on a whim the other day and within a day the above file >> came back at 53mb. >> >> I really don't think these things are necessary.... i.e. why in heck are >> they so big and what are they doing with them? >> >> Anyone have a clue? > > I have a file, only 5MB > > 5519360 2008-06-23 23:44 urlclassifier2.sqlite > > Looking inside, I see some urls and lots of zero bytes. > Using gzip -9, the file compresses down to 26% of of > its full size. It appears to be full of encrypted urls using an expired protocol, uggc://. https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-farah-uggc-protocol/ From anton at wilddsl.net.au Tue Jun 24 02:58:30 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:58:30 +1000 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! In-Reply-To: <486060E6.9010005@wilddsl.net.au> References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48605BE1.20200@wilddsl.net.au> <486060E6.9010005@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <486062D6.1040207@wilddsl.net.au> Anton Rolls wrote: > Anton Rolls wrote: >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> Anyone notice that in your: >>> >>> ~/.mozilla/firefox/vdt4357z.default >>> >>> Directory there is a file(s) that start with: >>> >>> urlclassifier3.sqlite (various names) >>> >>> Some of these files are huge (like 53mb) >>> >>> I deleted them all on a whim the other day and within a day the above file >>> came back at 53mb. >>> >>> I really don't think these things are necessary.... i.e. why in heck are >>> they so big and what are they doing with them? >>> >>> Anyone have a clue? >> I have a file, only 5MB >> >> 5519360 2008-06-23 23:44 urlclassifier2.sqlite >> >> Looking inside, I see some urls and lots of zero bytes. >> Using gzip -9, the file compresses down to 26% of of >> its full size. > > It appears to be full of encrypted urls using an > expired protocol, uggc://. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-farah-uggc-protocol/ and it's a very weak encryption - I would say useless. http://ftp.ist.utl.pt/pub/drafts/draft-farah-uggc-protocol-01.txt I'm surprised it was adopted for mozilla firefox. I would have thought they would know better than that. From anton at wilddsl.net.au Tue Jun 24 03:07:16 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:07:16 +1000 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! In-Reply-To: <486060E6.9010005@wilddsl.net.au> References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48605BE1.20200@wilddsl.net.au> <486060E6.9010005@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <486064E4.3080700@wilddsl.net.au> Anton Rolls wrote: > Anton Rolls wrote: >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> Anyone notice that in your: >>> >>> ~/.mozilla/firefox/vdt4357z.default >>> >>> Directory there is a file(s) that start with: >>> >>> urlclassifier3.sqlite (various names) >>> >>> Some of these files are huge (like 53mb) >>> >>> I deleted them all on a whim the other day and within a day the above file >>> came back at 53mb. >>> >>> I really don't think these things are necessary.... i.e. why in heck are >>> they so big and what are they doing with them? >>> >>> Anyone have a clue? >> I have a file, only 5MB >> >> 5519360 2008-06-23 23:44 urlclassifier2.sqlite >> >> Looking inside, I see some urls and lots of zero bytes. >> Using gzip -9, the file compresses down to 26% of of >> its full size. > > It appears to be full of encrypted urls using an > expired protocol, uggc://. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-farah-uggc-protocol/ Mine has an awful lot of urls related to online banking from all around the world. From turgon at mike-leone.com Tue Jun 24 03:08:33 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:08:33 -0400 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! In-Reply-To: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48606531.8050802@mike-leone.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > Anyone notice that in your: > > ~/.mozilla/firefox/vdt4357z.default > > Directory there is a file(s) that start with: > > urlclassifier3.sqlite (various names) > > Some of these files are huge (like 53mb) 53M isn't huge; my digital camera saves files as 25M .... -- Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Resist, or co-exist. Conform, or be cast out. From groups at digital-z.com Tue Jun 24 03:22:48 2008 From: groups at digital-z.com (Blaine Fleming) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:22:48 -0600 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! In-Reply-To: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48606888.60804@digital-z.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > Anyone notice that in your: > > ~/.mozilla/firefox/vdt4357z.default > > Directory there is a file(s) that start with: > > urlclassifier3.sqlite (various names) > > Some of these files are huge (like 53mb) > > I deleted them all on a whim the other day and within a day the above file > came back at 53mb. > > I really don't think these things are necessary.... i.e. why in heck are > they so big and what are they doing with them? > > Anyone have a clue This file contains the malware/phishing URL's mostly from Google's Safe Browsing service. You can delete this file but it will be recreated and will grow again. If you purge it then Firefox will not be able to tell what is a malicious URL. Unless you are hurting for disk space, I don't recommend deleting it. --Blaine From groups at digital-z.com Tue Jun 24 03:57:30 2008 From: groups at digital-z.com (Blaine Fleming) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:57:30 -0600 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! In-Reply-To: <486062D6.1040207@wilddsl.net.au> References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48605BE1.20200@wilddsl.net.au> <486060E6.9010005@wilddsl.net.au> <486062D6.1040207@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <486070AA.3040008@digital-z.com> Anton Rolls wrote: > and it's a very weak encryption - I would say useless. > > http://ftp.ist.utl.pt/pub/drafts/draft-farah-uggc-protocol-01.txt > > I'm surprised it was adopted for mozilla firefox. > I would have thought they would know better than that It isn't made to be secure, just obscured. If the URL's are in plaintext then various malware scanners can pick them up. In this case, it makes it very useful. --Blaine From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 05:56:17 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:56:17 +0300 Subject: Alt-F2 has unique $PATH? Message-ID: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> On Kubuntu 8.04 I have ~/.bin/ (note the dot!) configured in my path: hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ cat .profile # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists if [ -d "$HOME/.bin" ] ; then PATH="$HOME/.bin:$PATH" fi hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ cat .bash_profile PATH=$HOME/.bin:$PATH export PATH hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ which thunderbird /home/hardy2/.bin/thunderbird On my KDE panel, I have a button for Thunderbird which points to this file: /home/hardy2/.bin/thunderbird %u Opening Thunderbird from the button correctly opens the thunderbird instance in ~/.bin/ however when typing "thunderbird" into the Alt-F2 dialog, it opens the thunderbird in /usr/bin/. Why is that, and how can I fix it? Do I need to configure my path elsewhere for Alt-F2? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From anton at wilddsl.net.au Tue Jun 24 07:26:17 2008 From: anton at wilddsl.net.au (Anton Rolls) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:26:17 +1000 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! In-Reply-To: <486070AA.3040008@digital-z.com> References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48605BE1.20200@wilddsl.net.au> <486060E6.9010005@wilddsl.net.au> <486062D6.1040207@wilddsl.net.au> <486070AA.3040008@digital-z.com> Message-ID: <4860A199.1040906@wilddsl.net.au> Blaine Fleming wrote: > Anton Rolls wrote: >> and it's a very weak encryption - I would say useless. >> >> http://ftp.ist.utl.pt/pub/drafts/draft-farah-uggc-protocol-01.txt >> >> I'm surprised it was adopted for mozilla firefox. >> I would have thought they would know better than that > > It isn't made to be secure, just obscured. If the URL's are in > plaintext then various malware scanners can pick them up. In this case, > it makes it very useful. > > --Blaine That makes sense now. :) I should have known better myself; the file contained far too many banking urls for them to be all legitimate. Anton. From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Jun 24 07:52:04 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:52:04 +0100 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <200806231715.48902.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <200806231715.48902.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <4860A7A4.1080506@drofle.com> Martin Laberge wrote: >> > > I suggest to check integrity of the install CD. > There is an option for this when you boot from the CD. > > If this CD was burned by the soon to be defective optical drive > then you may doubt that the contents is perfect. > > Incorrect sectors (a few) on the disk, can lead to random > contents read at install time. > > I did not burn the CD myself. I always buy my kubuntu CD's from the Linux Emporium. so my nearly defective optical drive was not involved. Neil Winchurst From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Jun 24 08:02:15 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:02:15 +0100 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4860AA07.3000200@drofle.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Tycho Andersen wrote: > >> First of all, this is my first post to kubuntu-users, hello everyone =) >> >> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Neil Winchurst >> wrote: >> >>> First install I had Java Run Time working very easily via Add/Remove >>> programs. This time I have had to install Java manually, though I am >>> still trying to work out where to put the >>> link. >>> >> You're speaking of Sun's JRE vs. gcj? I think by default (K)Ubuntu uses >> gcj, or /etc/alternatives/java. If you want to force it to use Sun's java, >> link java to /usr/lib/jvm/> here>/jre/java. >> >> sudo ln -s `which java` /usr/lib/jvm/sun-jre-1.6/jre/java > > Please don't. Install the jdk/jre from multiverse (packages sun-java6-*) > and use "update-java-alternatives" > Not quite sure what you mean here. Multiverse is enabled in my sources.list. Looking through my available packages I find sun-java6-jdk. Is that what you are referring to? Thanks Neil Winchurst From ppalma at american-appraisal.com Tue Jun 24 10:21:34 2008 From: ppalma at american-appraisal.com (ppalma at american-appraisal.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:21:34 +0400 Subject: NVDIA GeForce Go 7400 display adapter Message-ID: Hi! I have a Sony Vaio notebook VGN-SZ330 P with 2046 MB memory, 120 GB HD and a dual Intel Core Duo 2 GHz processor. Dual boot WinXP and Kubuntu 8.10. When i try to install Compiz in Kubuntu it tells me that my computer cannot run 3d effects, etc. Where do I go wrong? Any help much appreciated. 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From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 12:45:56 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:45:56 +0200 Subject: Alt-F2 has unique $PATH? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/24 Dotan Cohen : > On Kubuntu 8.04 I have ~/.bin/ (note the dot!) configured in my path: > hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ cat .profile > # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists > if [ -d "$HOME/.bin" ] ; then > PATH="$HOME/.bin:$PATH" > fi > hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ cat .bash_profile > PATH=$HOME/.bin:$PATH > export PATH > hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ which thunderbird > /home/hardy2/.bin/thunderbird > > On my KDE panel, I have a button for Thunderbird which points to this file: > /home/hardy2/.bin/thunderbird %u > > Opening Thunderbird from the button correctly opens the thunderbird > instance in ~/.bin/ however when typing "thunderbird" into the Alt-F2 > dialog, it opens the thunderbird in /usr/bin/. Why is that, and how > can I fix it? Do I need to configure my path elsewhere for Alt-F2? > > Thanks in advance. > > Dotan Cohen > Hi I think it has to do with that ALF-F2 is not a login shell or an interactive shell so your shell config file (.bash_profile, .bash_login or .profile) is not sourced. I was looking briefly into .bash_profile and .profile as a answer for an other mail and as i understand it bash will not read .profile or .bash_login if you have a .bash_profile and in Ubuntu they use the .profile file. So your .profile will not be sourced and in that case your .bashrc will not be sourced either. You have to read up on the shell files, look under the INVOCATION section in the bash man page and perhaps on how KDM is loggin in a person and what config files it will read. Let us know if and how you solve it. / Jonas From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 13:03:44 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:03:44 +0300 Subject: NVDIA GeForce Go 7400 display adapter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15edeae40806240603o2a07f105r950f219f2528bd23@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/24 : > Hi! > I have a Sony Vaio notebook VGN-SZ330 P with 2046 MB memory, 120 GB HD and > a dual Intel Core Duo 2 GHz processor. Dual boot WinXP and Kubuntu 8.10. > When i try to install Compiz in Kubuntu it tells me that my computer cannot > run 3d effects, etc. Where do I go wrong? > Any help much appreciated. 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URL: From tycho at tycho.ws Tue Jun 24 13:04:42 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:04:42 -0500 Subject: Well I think I have an nvidia problem In-Reply-To: <23e1b420806231535i1a68b08dkc941d78bc8937a73@mail.gmail.com> References: <23e1b420806231535i1a68b08dkc941d78bc8937a73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49b3a7400806240604n25bad3b0y4376f0356945cf14@mail.gmail.com> Have you tried reinstalling your graphics driver? Kubuntu since 8.04 has been screwing up my nVidia binary driver every time there's a kernel patch, although reinstalling the driver fixes the issue. Tycho On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Chad Moore wrote: > I am rather new to Kubuntu and this is my second time posting on this > mailing list. This list has helped me a great deal with my problems with > Kubuntu but now I am stuck and need some advice. 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If you want to force it to use Sun's >>> java, link java to /usr/lib/jvm/>> here>/jre/java. >>> >>> sudo ln -s `which java` /usr/lib/jvm/sun-jre-1.6/jre/java >> >> Please don't. Install the jdk/jre from multiverse (packages sun-java6-*) >> and use "update-java-alternatives" >> > Not quite sure what you mean here. Multiverse is enabled in my > sources.list. > > Looking through my available packages I find sun-java6-jdk. Is that what > you are referring to? Yes. Tycho's suggestion would work for any JVM that ended up in /usr/lib/jvm, so I wanted to be sure you were actually getting the real Ubuntu package. Then update-java-alternatives will work. -- derek From tycho at tycho.ws Tue Jun 24 13:10:35 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:10:35 -0500 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <4860AA07.3000200@drofle.com> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> <4860AA07.3000200@drofle.com> Message-ID: <49b3a7400806240610taed6099q318abf88c1b44f3b@mail.gmail.com> Try Derek's advice instead, I didn't realize there was a debian alternatives setup for java. On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > > Tycho Andersen wrote: > > > >> First of all, this is my first post to kubuntu-users, hello everyone =) > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Neil Winchurst > >> wrote: > >> > >>> First install I had Java Run Time working very easily via Add/Remove > >>> programs. This time I have had to install Java manually, though I am > >>> still trying to work out where to put the > >>> link. > >>> > >> You're speaking of Sun's JRE vs. gcj? I think by default (K)Ubuntu uses > >> gcj, or /etc/alternatives/java. If you want to force it to use Sun's > java, > >> link java to /usr/lib/jvm/ >> here>/jre/java. > >> > >> sudo ln -s `which java` /usr/lib/jvm/sun-jre-1.6/jre/java > > > > Please don't. Install the jdk/jre from multiverse (packages sun-java6-*) > > and use "update-java-alternatives" > > > Not quite sure what you mean here. Multiverse is enabled in my > sources.list. > > Looking through my available packages I find sun-java6-jdk. Is that what > you are referring to? > > Thanks > > Neil Winchurst > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <486062D6.1040207@wilddsl.net.au> References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48605BE1.20200@wilddsl.net.au> <486060E6.9010005@wilddsl.net.au> <486062D6.1040207@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Anton Rolls wrote: > Anton Rolls wrote: > > Anton Rolls wrote: > >> Bruce Marshall wrote: > >>> Anyone notice that in your: > >>> > >>> ~/.mozilla/firefox/vdt4357z.default > >>> > >>> Directory there is a file(s) that start with: > >>> > >>> urlclassifier3.sqlite (various names) > >>> > >>> Some of these files are huge (like 53mb) > >>> > >>> I deleted them all on a whim the other day and within a day the above > file > >>> came back at 53mb. > >>> > >>> I really don't think these things are necessary.... i.e. why in heck > are > >>> they so big and what are they doing with them? > >>> > >>> Anyone have a clue? > >> I have a file, only 5MB > >> > >> 5519360 2008-06-23 23:44 urlclassifier2.sqlite > >> > >> Looking inside, I see some urls and lots of zero bytes. > >> Using gzip -9, the file compresses down to 26% of of > >> its full size. > > > > It appears to be full of encrypted urls using an > > expired protocol, uggc://. > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-farah-uggc-protocol/ > > and it's a very weak encryption - I would say useless. > > http://ftp.ist.utl.pt/pub/drafts/draft-farah-uggc-protocol-01.txt > > I'm surprised it was adopted for mozilla firefox. > I would have thought they would know better than that. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Did anybody notice the Date on the uggc memo? I think this is a joke gone too far :) -- Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ppalma at american-appraisal.com Tue Jun 24 14:26:26 2008 From: ppalma at american-appraisal.com (ppalma at american-appraisal.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:26:26 +0400 Subject: kubuntu-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 77 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:03:44 +0300 From: "Willy Hamra" Subject: Re: NVDIA GeForce Go 7400 display adapter To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Message-ID: <15edeae40806240603o2a07f105r950f219f2528bd23 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 2008/6/24 : > Hi! > I have a Sony Vaio notebook VGN-SZ330 P with 2046 MB memory, 120 GB HD and > a dual Intel Core Duo 2 GHz processor. Dual boot WinXP and Kubuntu 8.10. > When i try to install Compiz in Kubuntu it tells me that my computer cannot > run 3d effects, etc. Where do I go wrong? > Any help much appreciated. Thank you. > Pat Palma > >8.10? it is either 7.10 or 8.04, 8.10 has not been released yet. i don't >know what graphics card is in this laptop, it would be helpful if you can >tell us. >in any ways, if you are using 7.10, go to k-menu-->system >settings-->advanced-->restricted drivers manager, and make sure that if a >graphics driver is mentioned there, the checkbox beside it is checked. >the same program in 8.04 can be accessed with k-menu-->system-->drivers >manager. >hope this helps Sorry it was of course Kubuntu 8.04 not 8.10. The graphic card is a NVIDIA GeForce Go 7400. The computer is only 10 months old, so the card should be OK? Thanks for your help. Pat Palma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From afternine at email.si Tue Jun 24 14:33:02 2008 From: afternine at email.si (after nine) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:33:02 +0200 Subject: noflushd not working on 8.04 Message-ID: <20080624143303.DC8B28C0B3@www1.email.si> Hi! This is a problem that is maybe generic enough to be posted on the ubuntuforums.com, but I wanted to try here first, since I'm a Kubuntu user. I have a 32 bit Kubuntu 8.04 system, which was installed as 6.10 almost 2 years ago and then upgraded to 7.04, 7.10 and finally to 8.04. The upgrades where not always smooth, but I managed to make it work everytime. I have a spare disk in my system intended for backups, which is mounted only at the time of backup, otherwise it sits unmounted and spun down. This was at least until I upgraded to 8.04. Hardy heron brought laptop-mode-tools and my faithfull companion noflushd was removed. As I understood, laptop-mode-tools is not started by default at boot time, nonetheless I observed that inactive disks were spun down. There is no mention of this activity in any system log. To regain control over which disks are spun down and the time a disk has to sit idle before it goes to sleep, I uninstalled laptop-mode-tools and installed noflushd again (apt-get install noflushd), but it erriors out: Setting up noflushd (2.7.5-6) ... Stopping No Flush Daemon: noflushd. Starting No Flush Daemon: Error: Don't know how to spindown /dev/sdc Error: Don't know how to spindown /dev/sdb Error: Don't know how to spindown /dev/sda noflushd. All the disks in this machine are IDE (ATA) discs, no scsi or sata disk here. They are represented as sdX, but this is a new "feature" in Hardy. Is there a way to persuade Hardy not to treat all discs as scsi disks? I want my noflushd back... How do you control which disc goes to sleep and the idle time? bye ____________________ http://www.email.si/ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Jun 24 14:38:06 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:38:06 -0400 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! In-Reply-To: <48605FFB.9060005@gmail.com> References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48605FFB.9060005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806241038.06687.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Monday 23 June 2008, Michael wrote: > > I really don't think these things are necessary....  i.e.  why in heck > > are they so big and what are they doing with them? > > > > Anyone have a clue? > >   > > SQLite is used for the bookmark file.  Apparently it is not stored in > html format any more. I think you are right... but I notice there is also a 'bookmarksbackup directory with a few backup files in it. The size of those files in my case is about 41K. If that turns into 54MB as an Sql file, that's pure ugly! From kap4lin at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 14:59:36 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:59:36 -0400 Subject: libkipi5 replacing libkipi0 (removing digikam!) Message-ID: Hi, A recent update in adept shows that kdegraphics-kde4 and gwenview-kde4 depend on libkipi5 which conflicts (and replaces) libkipi0. As a result of this upgrade (not yet done) it shows that libkipi0, digikam, gwenview (among few others) are to be rmoved. What happened to the concept of KDE3 and KDE4 coexisting harmoniously? Here is the sources.list: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main #Amarok Nightly aka Neon apart from official hardy, hardy-updates, hardy-security's main, restricted, universe, and multiverse Is this because of the Neon repository? I wanted it only for amaroK. -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From kap4lin at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 14:59:36 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:59:36 -0400 Subject: libkipi5 replacing libkipi0 (removing digikam!) Message-ID: Hi, A recent update in adept shows that kdegraphics-kde4 and gwenview-kde4 depend on libkipi5 which conflicts (and replaces) libkipi0. As a result of this upgrade (not yet done) it shows that libkipi0, digikam, gwenview (among few others) are to be rmoved. What happened to the concept of KDE3 and KDE4 coexisting harmoniously? Here is the sources.list: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main #Amarok Nightly aka Neon apart from official hardy, hardy-updates, hardy-security's main, restricted, universe, and multiverse Is this because of the Neon repository? I wanted it only for amaroK. -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jun 24 14:53:43 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:53:43 -0300 Subject: noflushd not working on 8.04 References: <20080624143303.DC8B28C0B3@www1.email.si> Message-ID: <1474599.eGoA2IJgOX@cedar.serverforest.com> after nine wrote: > I have a spare disk in my system intended for backups, which is mounted > only at the time of backup, otherwise it sits unmounted and spun down. > This was at least until I upgraded to 8.04. Hardy heron brought > laptop-mode-tools and my faithfull companion noflushd was removed. As I > understood, laptop-mode-tools is not started by default at boot time, > nonetheless I observed that inactive disks were spun down. There is no > mention of this activity in any system log. That would be because, aiui, this should be a function of the disk hardware, not the OS. > > All the disks in this machine are IDE (ATA) discs, no scsi or sata disk > here. They are represented as sdX, but this is a new "feature" in Hardy. > > Is there a way to persuade Hardy not to treat all discs as scsi disks? No. And if there was, I suspect you wouldn't be having any better luck. > I > want my noflushd back... How do you control which disc goes to sleep and > the idle time? Some functions can be handled with hdparm. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Jun 24 15:43:29 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:43:29 -0300 Subject: libkipi5 replacing libkipi0 (removing digikam!) References: Message-ID: <1627340.0hdb4TJIAM@cedar.serverforest.com> P Kapat wrote: > Hi, > A recent update in adept shows that kdegraphics-kde4 and gwenview-kde4 > depend on libkipi5 which conflicts (and replaces) libkipi0. As a > result of this upgrade (not yet done) it shows that libkipi0, digikam, > gwenview (among few others) are to be rmoved. > > What happened to the concept of KDE3 and KDE4 coexisting harmoniously? > Here is the sources.list: > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main > deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main #Amarok > Nightly aka Neon > > apart from official hardy, hardy-updates, hardy-security's main, > restricted, universe, and multiverse > > Is this because of the Neon repository? I wanted it only for amaroK. use "apt-cache policy" to see what repository is bringing in which packages. It's unusual for a libXXX5 library to conflict with a libXXX0 library - that's precisely why they have different package names - if we really had to replace a package, we could use the same name. I can say that _only_ using the official ubuntu sources + medibuntu, gwenview-kde4 doesn't cause any removal of libraries. -- derek From groups at digital-z.com Tue Jun 24 16:51:48 2008 From: groups at digital-z.com (Blaine Fleming) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:51:48 -0600 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqlite!!! In-Reply-To: References: <200806232050.42012.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48605BE1.20200@wilddsl.net.au> <486060E6.9010005@wilddsl.net.au> <486062D6.1040207@wilddsl.net.au> Message-ID: <48612624.8030608@digital-z.com> Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote: > Did anybody notice the Date on the uggc memo? I think this is a joke > gone too far :) Of course it is. It still provides technically accurate info on the database encoding though. "4. Security considerations This whole protocol will be rendered useless if the ROT13 encryption mechanism is ever cracked. 5. Acknowledgments The author wishes to acknowledge Julius Caesar for his tremendous invention." --Blaine From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 18:21:54 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:21:54 -0600 Subject: Switching desktop from keyboard In-Reply-To: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> References: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48613B42.3050502@gmail.com> D. R. Evans said the following at 06/23/2008 11:55 AM : > Does anyone know how to set up KDE so that it obeys keystrokes of the form > "Win Key + digit" to change desktops? > Hmmm... after considerable experimentation, I am even more confused than usual (which is quite difficult). Basically, the only way I've found to be certain that KDE accepts "Win + digit" is to stop running Amarok, change the keyboard settings, log out and log back in. That always seems to work. Other combinations (e.g., not stopping Amarok), works sometimes and for some key combinations, but not always. BUT I can't get "Win + key-pad-digit" to work at all, no matter what I do. Does "Win + key-pad-digit" work on other people's systems? Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Jun 24 19:17:06 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:17:06 -0400 Subject: Switching desktop from keyboard In-Reply-To: <48613B42.3050502@gmail.com> References: <485FE3A3.5080507@gmail.com> <48613B42.3050502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806241517.07028.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 24 June 2008, D. R. Evans wrote: > I can't get "Win + key-pad-digit" to work at all, no matter what I do. Does > "Win + key-pad-digit" work on other people's systems? No, doesn't work here From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 19:23:40 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:23:40 +0300 Subject: Alt-F2 has unique $PATH? In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806241223o5667fcddoc7c3c2611f08695e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/24 Jonas Norlander : > I think it has to do with that ALF-F2 is not a login shell or an > interactive shell so your shell config file (.bash_profile, > .bash_login or .profile) is not sourced. > > I was looking briefly into .bash_profile and .profile as a answer for > an other mail and as i understand it bash will not read .profile or > .bash_login if you have a .bash_profile and in Ubuntu they use the > .profile file. So your .profile will not be sourced and in that case > your .bashrc will not be sourced either. > You have to read up on the shell files, look under the INVOCATION > section in the bash man page and perhaps on how KDM is loggin in a > person and what config files it will read. > Let us know if and how you solve it. > > / Jonas > Thanks, Jonas. Naturally I did google before posting. What I find unusual is that the taskbar button follows the configured path. So if one KDE element (the task bar) follows the configured path, why not another (Alt-F2)? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 20:18:33 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:18:33 +0200 Subject: Alt-F2 has unique $PATH? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806241223o5667fcddoc7c3c2611f08695e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806241223o5667fcddoc7c3c2611f08695e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/24 Dotan Cohen : > 2008/6/24 Jonas Norlander : >> I think it has to do with that ALF-F2 is not a login shell or an >> interactive shell so your shell config file (.bash_profile, >> .bash_login or .profile) is not sourced. >> >> I was looking briefly into .bash_profile and .profile as a answer for >> an other mail and as i understand it bash will not read .profile or >> .bash_login if you have a .bash_profile and in Ubuntu they use the >> .profile file. So your .profile will not be sourced and in that case >> your .bashrc will not be sourced either. >> You have to read up on the shell files, look under the INVOCATION >> section in the bash man page and perhaps on how KDM is loggin in a >> person and what config files it will read. >> Let us know if and how you solve it. >> >> / Jonas >> > > Thanks, Jonas. Naturally I did google before posting. What I find > unusual is that the taskbar button follows the configured path. So if > one KDE element (the task bar) follows the configured path, why not > another (Alt-F2)? > > Dotan Cohen > I printed my environment with the command "env > ~/somefile.txt" to three files, one from a menu entry, one from ALT-F2 and one from Konsole and all three has the same PATH and are almost identical except the one from konsole. So it must be something with your system. One thing i wonder about is your .bash_profile, i don't have one and it will override your .profile. You could try to remove your bash shell files (~/.bash* and ~/.profile) and restore the defaults from /etc/skel to see if that helps. / Jonas From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 21:12:06 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:12:06 +0300 Subject: Alt-F2 has unique $PATH? In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806241223o5667fcddoc7c3c2611f08695e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806241412j73e5ad9dvdf768259f0cc72ed@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/24 Jonas Norlander : > I printed my environment with the command "env > ~/somefile.txt" to > three files, one from a menu entry, one from ALT-F2 and one from > Konsole and all three has the same PATH and are almost identical > except the one from konsole. So it must be something with your system. > One thing i wonder about is your .bash_profile, i don't have one and > it will override your .profile. > > You could try to remove your bash shell files (~/.bash* and > ~/.profile) and restore the defaults from /etc/skel to see if that > helps. > Thanks, I did not know about the env command. I now should have enough info to play around and discover what I need. When I come to a conclusion I will update the thread for the sake of the archives. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jun 24 23:48:22 2008 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:48:22 -0400 Subject: Holy Firefox Sqllite!!! Message-ID: <486187C6.3000903@cfl.rr.com> You may want to check out the following URL: http://www.exnol.com/quick-fix/firefox-3-beta-gulping-down-io-resources-prevent-it From kap4lin at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 03:49:53 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:49:53 -0400 Subject: libkipi5 replacing libkipi0 (removing digikam!) In-Reply-To: <1627340.0hdb4TJIAM@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <1627340.0hdb4TJIAM@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On 6/24/08, Derek Broughton wrote: > P Kapat wrote: > > > Hi, > > A recent update in adept shows that kdegraphics-kde4 and gwenview-kde4 > > depend on libkipi5 which conflicts (and replaces) libkipi0. As a > > result of this upgrade (not yet done) it shows that libkipi0, digikam, > > gwenview (among few others) are to be rmoved. > > > > What happened to the concept of KDE3 and KDE4 coexisting harmoniously? > > Here is the sources.list: > > > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main > > deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free > > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main #Amarok > > Nightly aka Neon > > > > apart from official hardy, hardy-updates, hardy-security's main, > > restricted, universe, and multiverse > > > > Is this because of the Neon repository? I wanted it only for amaroK. > > > use "apt-cache policy" to see what repository is bringing in which packages. > Thanks Derek. Here are the apt outputs: $ apt-cache policy libkipi5 libkipi5: Installed: (none) Candidate: 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1 Version table: 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1 0 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main Packages $ apt-cache show libkipi5 Package: libkipi5 Source: kdegraphics-kde4 Priority: extra Section: libs Installed-Size: 268 Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers Architecture: i386 Version: 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1 Replaces: libkipi0 Depends: kde-icons-oxygen, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-runtime-data, kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa13), libc6 (>= 2.1.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.0), libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-21) Conflicts: libkipi0 Filename: pool/main/k/kdegraphics-kde4/libkipi5_4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1_i386.deb > It's unusual for a libXXX5 library to conflict with a libXXX0 library - > that's precisely why they have different package names - if we really had > to replace a package, we could use the same name. > > I can say that _only_ using the official ubuntu sources + medibuntu, > gwenview-kde4 doesn't cause any removal of libraries. Well as seen from the above output, the conflicting libkipi5 is to be installed from launchpad (as noted on kubuntu.org) http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu So, is this expected? Or is it a packaging bug? -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From kap4lin at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 04:03:29 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:03:29 -0400 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update In-Reply-To: References: <3452807.7tZilFhkJI@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: Not a solution but: On 6/23/08, marc wrote: > Seems like > > vmware-server-kernel-modules > > still depends on: > > vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.22-14 > > and there is no sign of: > > vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.22-15 I had a similar issue with virtualbox modules, in Hardy though. IIRC there was no module for 2.6.24-18. So I waited before upgrading from 2.6.24-17. And recently 2.6.24-19 was available along with virtualbox-ose-modules compiled for it. So, I guess the moral is to do a manual check before an upgrade. If things don't look good, either pin then or hold them for the time being. Wait it out! -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From gmane at auxbuss.com Wed Jun 25 07:13:27 2008 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:13:27 +0200 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update References: <3452807.7tZilFhkJI@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: P Kapat said... > Not a solution but: > > On 6/23/08, marc wrote: > > Seems like > > > > vmware-server-kernel-modules > > > > still depends on: > > > > vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.22-14 > > > > and there is no sign of: > > > > vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.22-15 > > I had a similar issue with virtualbox modules, in Hardy though. IIRC > there was no module for 2.6.24-18. So I waited before upgrading from > 2.6.24-17. And recently 2.6.24-19 was available along with > virtualbox-ose-modules compiled for it. So, I guess the moral is to do > a manual check before an upgrade. If things don't look good, either > pin then or hold them for the time being. Wait it out! Yup, good call. I'll just continue using 22-14 until the kernel modules appear. -- Cheers, Marc From barnaby at drofle.com Wed Jun 25 09:44:33 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:44:33 +0100 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <1569663.2Ll9dIHOQG@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> <4860AA07.3000200@drofle.com> <1569663.2Ll9dIHOQG@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48621381.4030109@drofle.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > > Yes. Tycho's suggestion would work for any JVM that ended up > in /usr/lib/jvm, so I wanted to be sure you were actually getting the real > Ubuntu package. Then update-java-alternatives will work. OK, I have installed sun-java6-jdk. Sorry to be so dim, but how do I run update-java-alternatives? Do I just enter that command in a terminal screen? Thanks for all the help so far. Never had so much trouble getting java to work in Firefox. Neil Winchurst From cary at bielenberg.id.au Wed Jun 25 10:02:27 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:02:27 +1000 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <48621381.4030109@drofle.com> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> <4860AA07.3000200@drofle.com> <1569663.2Ll9dIHOQG@cedar.serverforest.com> <48621381.4030109@drofle.com> Message-ID: <486217B3.1010705@bielenberg.id.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Wed Jun 25 10:13:13 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:13:13 +0100 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <486217B3.1010705@bielenberg.id.au> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> <4860AA07.3000200@drofle.com> <1569663.2Ll9dIHOQG@cedar.serverforest.com> <48621381.4030109@drofle.com> <486217B3.1010705@bielenberg.id.au> Message-ID: <48621A39.8040802@yahoo.it> Cary Bielenberg wrote: > Neil, > type in konsole window sudo apt-get update then when that is finished > type apt-get install update-java-alternatives > > I have had a look at my packages & I can't find it! I also tried to find > java-alternatives but to no avail. Hope you have the packages. > > Cary I've used: sudo update-alternatives --config java to do that, didn't have to install any new package. HTH, I. > > > Neil Winchurst wrote: >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> >>> Yes. Tycho's suggestion would work for any JVM that ended up >>> in /usr/lib/jvm, so I wanted to be sure you were actually getting the real >>> Ubuntu package. Then update-java-alternatives will work. >>> >> >> OK, I have installed sun-java6-jdk. Sorry to be so dim, but how do I run >> update-java-alternatives? Do I just enter that command in a terminal >> screen? >> >> Thanks for all the help so far. Never had so much trouble getting java >> to work in Firefox. >> >> Neil Winchurst >> >> > From barnaby at drofle.com Wed Jun 25 11:42:04 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:42:04 +0100 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <48621A39.8040802@yahoo.it> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> <4860AA07.3000200@drofle.com> <1569663.2Ll9dIHOQG@cedar.serverforest.com> <48621381.4030109@drofle.com> <486217B3.1010705@bielenberg.id.au> <48621A39.8040802@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <48622F0C.4090901@drofle.com> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Cary Bielenberg wrote: >> Neil, >> type in konsole window sudo apt-get update then when that is finished >> type apt-get install update-java-alternatives >> >> I have had a look at my packages & I can't find it! I also tried to find >> java-alternatives but to no avail. Hope you have the packages. >> >> Cary > > I've used: > sudo update-alternatives --config java > > to do that, didn't have to install any new package. > HTH, > I. > >> I will look at all that but first I am wondering. At the moment java will not run in FireFox but works fine in Opera. If I follow the above and get it to work in FF will that spoil it all in Opera? Neil Winchurst From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jun 25 13:07:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:07:19 -0300 Subject: Alt-F2 has unique $PATH? References: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806241223o5667fcddoc7c3c2611f08695e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1298713.OWD2cvkXYt@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/24 Jonas Norlander : >> I think it has to do with that ALF-F2 is not a login shell or an >> interactive shell so your shell config file (.bash_profile, >> .bash_login or .profile) is not sourced. >> >> I was looking briefly into .bash_profile and .profile as a answer for >> an other mail and as i understand it bash will not read .profile or >> .bash_login if you have a .bash_profile and in Ubuntu they use the >> .profile file. I believe that should have ended "in Ubuntu they use the .bash_profile file" or the next bit doesn't make sense (not to mention we talked about .profile a while ago, and nobody seemed to have one). > Thanks, Jonas. Naturally I did google before posting. What I find > unusual is that the taskbar button follows the configured path. So if > one KDE element (the task bar) follows the configured path, why not > another (Alt-F2)? Yes, the whole concept of non-login shells not needing to source any of those files is that they're supposed to inherit from their parent, so it really seems wrong if Alt-F2 doesn't -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jun 25 13:11:41 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:11:41 -0300 Subject: libkipi5 replacing libkipi0 (removing digikam!) References: <1627340.0hdb4TJIAM@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4161683.4L71jr8taH@cedar.serverforest.com> P Kapat wrote: > On 6/24/08, Derek Broughton wrote: >> P Kapat wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > A recent update in adept shows that kdegraphics-kde4 and gwenview-kde4 >> > depend on libkipi5 which conflicts (and replaces) libkipi0. As a >> > result of this upgrade (not yet done) it shows that libkipi0, digikam, >> > gwenview (among few others) are to be rmoved. >> > >> > What happened to the concept of KDE3 and KDE4 coexisting harmoniously? >> > Here is the sources.list: >> > >> > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main >> > deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free >> > deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main #Amarok >> > Nightly aka Neon >> > >> > apart from official hardy, hardy-updates, hardy-security's main, >> > restricted, universe, and multiverse >> > >> > Is this because of the Neon repository? I wanted it only for amaroK. >> >> >> use "apt-cache policy" to see what repository is bringing in which >> packages. >> > > Thanks Derek. Here are the apt outputs: > > $ apt-cache policy libkipi5 > libkipi5: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1 > Version table: > 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1 0 > 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main Packages > > $ apt-cache show libkipi5 > Package: libkipi5 > Source: kdegraphics-kde4 > Priority: extra > Section: libs > Installed-Size: 268 > Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers > Architecture: i386 > Version: 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1 > Replaces: libkipi0 > Depends: kde-icons-oxygen, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-runtime-data, > kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa13), libc6 (>= 2.1.3), > libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.0), libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-21) > Conflicts: libkipi0 > Filename: > pool/main/k/kdegraphics-kde4/libkipi5_4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1_i386.deb > >> It's unusual for a libXXX5 library to conflict with a libXXX0 library - >> that's precisely why they have different package names - if we really >> had to replace a package, we could use the same name. >> >> I can say that _only_ using the official ubuntu sources + medibuntu, >> gwenview-kde4 doesn't cause any removal of libraries. > > Well as seen from the above output, the conflicting libkipi5 is to be > installed from launchpad (as noted on kubuntu.org) > > http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu > > So, is this expected? Or is it a packaging bug? I would _hope_ it's a packaging bug. Remember, kubuntu.org and launchpad.net are _not_ official sources. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jun 25 13:20:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:20:28 -0300 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> <4860AA07.3000200@drofle.com> <1569663.2Ll9dIHOQG@cedar.serverforest.com> <48621381.4030109@drofle.com> <486217B3.1010705@bielenberg.id.au> <48621A39.8040802@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1739090.yjukW54ElS@cedar.serverforest.com> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Cary Bielenberg wrote: >> Neil, >> type in konsole window sudo apt-get update then when that is >> finished >> type apt-get install update-java-alternatives There's no such package. update-java-alternatives is part of java-common, which should be already installed. So just "sudo update-java-alternatives"! >> >> I have had a look at my packages & I can't find it! I also tried to find >> java-alternatives but to no avail. Hope you have the packages. > > I've used: > sudo update-alternatives --config java That's not sufficient, though. update-java-alternatives updates far more than "java", it updates pointers to the JDK, javadoc, plugins... -- derek From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Jun 25 13:33:05 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:33:05 -0400 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200806250933.05343.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 25 June 2008, P Kapat wrote: > I had a similar issue with virtualbox modules, in Hardy though. IIRC > there was no module for 2.6.24-18. So I waited before upgrading from > 2.6.24-17. And recently 2.6.24-19 was available along with > virtualbox-ose-modules compiled for it. So, I guess the moral is to do > a manual check before an upgrade. If things don't look good, either > pin then or hold them for the time being. Wait it out! Well yes.... but virtual box provides the ability to recompile their module and I have never had a problem with it, through -19 on Hardy. /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup will compile the module for each new kernel. From suse-linux at rwz.de Wed Jun 25 13:43:05 2008 From: suse-linux at rwz.de (Jens Strohschnitter) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:43:05 +0200 Subject: XMMS not in repository Message-ID: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> Hi list, I can't find xmms in the kubuntu (apt) repository. Is there an alternative (not amarok, please) proggy with look and feel like xmms, or can I download it elsewhere running on an amd64-System ? I'm using kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.x -- kind regards, Jens Strohschnitter ----------------------------------------- LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX Set the controls for the heart of the sun LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX ----------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Raiffeisen Waren-Zentrale Rhein-Main eG 50668 Koeln, Altenberger Str. 1a Tel: 0221/1638-0 Fax: 0221/1638-254 Sitz: Koeln Amtsgericht Koeln, GnR 728 Geschaeftsfuehrender Vorstand: Hans-Josef Hilgers (Sprecher) Markus Stuettgen Dr. Karl-Heinrich Suemmermann Vorstand: Friedhelm Decker (Vorsitzender) Ingo Steitz Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Peter Bleser (MdB) St.Nr.: 215/5938/0152 Bankverbindung: WGZ Bank AG, Duesseldorf (BLZ 300 600 10) Konto-Nr.: 300 011 From info at alvin.be Wed Jun 25 13:49:37 2008 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:49:37 +0200 Subject: XMMS not in repository In-Reply-To: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> Message-ID: <200806251549.37270.info@alvin.be> On Wednesday 25 June 2008 15:43:05 Jens Strohschnitter wrote: > Hi list, > > I can't find xmms in the kubuntu (apt) repository. > Is there an alternative (not amarok, please) proggy > with look and feel like xmms, or can I download it > elsewhere running on an amd64-System ? > > I'm using kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.x Try: $ aptitude show xmms2 I think this is what you are looking for. It's in universe/sound. -- Alvin From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 13:54:07 2008 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:54:07 -0400 Subject: XMMS not in repository In-Reply-To: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> Message-ID: 2008/6/25 Jens Strohschnitter : > Hi list, > > I can't find xmms in the kubuntu (apt) repository. > Is there an alternative (not amarok, please) proggy > with look and feel like xmms, or can I download it > elsewhere running on an amd64-System ? > > I'm using kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.x > > > You can also try Audacious. Make sure to have the universe repo enabled. Try: $ aptitude show audacious --Rob (Wishes that he ran Linux since 1991 :) ) -- Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route. ============================== Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. 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Good luck, Mike -- Ed: He's worse than when he was just stupid! - from "Sitting Ducks" From silentph03nix at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 13:55:48 2008 From: silentph03nix at gmail.com (Silent Ph03nix) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:55:48 -0500 Subject: XMMS not in repository In-Reply-To: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> Message-ID: <944d71fe0806250655w5a6938bayb48449270131ad96@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/25 Jens Strohschnitter : > Hi list, > > I can't find xmms in the kubuntu (apt) repository. > Is there an alternative (not amarok, please) proggy > with look and feel like xmms, or can I download it > elsewhere running on an amd64-System ? > > I'm using kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.x > > -- > kind regards, > > Jens Strohschnitter audacious seems to be the heir apparent to xmms. Has the same look and feel as xmms and doesn't require the xmms2 daemon to be running to use it. Some people like the daemon approach, so YMMV. HTH, Ph03nix From suse-linux at rwz.de Wed Jun 25 13:56:43 2008 From: suse-linux at rwz.de (Jens Strohschnitter) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:56:43 +0200 Subject: XMMS not in repository In-Reply-To: <200806251549.37270.info@alvin.be> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251549.37270.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <20080625155643.9036e0df.suse-linux@rwz.de> > > I can't find xmms in the kubuntu (apt) repository. > > Is there an alternative (not amarok, please) proggy > > with look and feel like xmms, or can I download it > > elsewhere running on an amd64-System ? > > > > I'm using kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.x > > Try: > $ aptitude show xmms2 > > I think this is what you are looking for. It's in universe/sound. Hi yep! I've already installed xmms2 but I can't find a graphical interface as in xmms. What do I have to install or to start, that I can use a gui instead of the console-deamon ? -- kind regards, Jens Strohschnitter ----------------------------------------- LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX Set the controls for the heart of the sun LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX ----------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Raiffeisen Waren-Zentrale Rhein-Main eG 50668 Koeln, Altenberger Str. 1a Tel: 0221/1638-0 Fax: 0221/1638-254 Sitz: Koeln Amtsgericht Koeln, GnR 728 Geschaeftsfuehrender Vorstand: Hans-Josef Hilgers (Sprecher) Markus Stuettgen Dr. Karl-Heinrich Suemmermann Vorstand: Friedhelm Decker (Vorsitzender) Ingo Steitz Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Peter Bleser (MdB) St.Nr.: 215/5938/0152 Bankverbindung: WGZ Bank AG, Duesseldorf (BLZ 300 600 10) Konto-Nr.: 300 011 From suse-linux at rwz.de Wed Jun 25 14:01:29 2008 From: suse-linux at rwz.de (Jens Strohschnitter) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:01:29 +0200 Subject: XMMS not in repository In-Reply-To: <944d71fe0806250655w5a6938bayb48449270131ad96@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <944d71fe0806250655w5a6938bayb48449270131ad96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080625160129.966ac966.suse-linux@rwz.de> > > I can't find xmms in the kubuntu (apt) repository. > > Is there an alternative (not amarok, please) proggy > > with look and feel like xmms, or can I download it > > elsewhere running on an amd64-System ? > > > > I'm using kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.x > > > > -- > > kind regards, > > > > Jens Strohschnitter > > audacious seems to be the heir apparent to xmms. Has the same look > and feel as xmms and doesn't require the xmms2 daemon to be running to > use it. Some people like the daemon approach, so YMMV. > Yep! That's it! THX for the fast help! -- kind regards, Jens Strohschnitter ----------------------------------------- LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX Set the controls for the heart of the sun LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX ----------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Raiffeisen Waren-Zentrale Rhein-Main eG 50668 Koeln, Altenberger Str. 1a Tel: 0221/1638-0 Fax: 0221/1638-254 Sitz: Koeln Amtsgericht Koeln, GnR 728 Geschaeftsfuehrender Vorstand: Hans-Josef Hilgers (Sprecher) Markus Stuettgen Dr. Karl-Heinrich Suemmermann Vorstand: Friedhelm Decker (Vorsitzender) Ingo Steitz Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Peter Bleser (MdB) St.Nr.: 215/5938/0152 Bankverbindung: WGZ Bank AG, Duesseldorf (BLZ 300 600 10) Konto-Nr.: 300 011 From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Jun 25 14:14:29 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:14:29 -0400 Subject: XMMS not in repository In-Reply-To: <20080625155643.9036e0df.suse-linux@rwz.de> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251549.37270.info@alvin.be> <20080625155643.9036e0df.suse-linux@rwz.de> Message-ID: <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 25 June 2008, Jens Strohschnitter wrote: > > > I can't find xmms in the kubuntu (apt) repository. > > > Is there an alternative (not amarok, please) proggy > > > with look and feel like xmms, or can I download it > > > elsewhere running on an amd64-System ? > > > > > > I'm using kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.x > > > > Try: > > $ aptitude show xmms2 > > > > I think this is what you are looking for. It's in universe/sound. > > Hi > > yep! I've already installed xmms2 but I can't find a graphical > interface as in xmms. What do I have to install or to start, that > I can use a gui instead of the console-deamon ? > > -- > kind regards, > > Jens Strohschnitter > > ----------------------------------------- > LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX > > Set the controls > for the heart of the sun > > LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX > ----------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________________ > > Raiffeisen Waren-Zentrale Rhein-Main eG > 50668 Koeln, Altenberger Str. 1a > > Tel: 0221/1638-0 > Fax: 0221/1638-254 > > Sitz: Koeln > > Amtsgericht Koeln, GnR 728 > > Geschaeftsfuehrender Vorstand: > Hans-Josef Hilgers (Sprecher) > Markus Stuettgen > Dr. Karl-Heinrich Suemmermann > > Vorstand: > Friedhelm Decker (Vorsitzender) > Ingo Steitz > > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: > Peter Bleser (MdB) > > St.Nr.: 215/5938/0152 > > Bankverbindung: > WGZ Bank AG, Duesseldorf > (BLZ 300 600 10) Konto-Nr.: 300 011 Just a comment..... Any chance of reducing your signature??? At least for mailing lists? Netiquette calls for no more than 6 lines. You have *43* From barnaby at drofle.com Wed Jun 25 14:29:00 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:29:00 +0100 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy In-Reply-To: <1739090.yjukW54ElS@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> <4860AA07.3000200@drofle.com> <1569663.2Ll9dIHOQG@cedar.serverforest.com> <48621381.4030109@drofle.com> <486217B3.1010705@bielenberg.id.au> <48621A39.8040802@yahoo.it> <1739090.yjukW54ElS@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <4862562C.8050305@drofle.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > >> Cary Bielenberg wrote: >>> Neil, >>> type in konsole window sudo apt-get update then when that is >>> finished >>> type apt-get install update-java-alternatives > > There's no such package. update-java-alternatives is part of java-common, > which should be already installed. > > So just "sudo update-java-alternatives"! > I have just tried that and it is wanting the name of a file. That is, it wants --set Do I just put java6 or sun-java6-jdk? Thanks, we'll get there Neil Winchurst From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 14:45:52 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:45:52 +0200 Subject: Alt-F2 has unique $PATH? In-Reply-To: <1298713.OWD2cvkXYt@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806241223o5667fcddoc7c3c2611f08695e@mail.gmail.com> <1298713.OWD2cvkXYt@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806250745q7791d8b4h4e6ef0996ea5adad@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/25 Derek Broughton : > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2008/6/24 Jonas Norlander : >>> I think it has to do with that ALF-F2 is not a login shell or an >>> interactive shell so your shell config file (.bash_profile, >>> .bash_login or .profile) is not sourced. >>> >>> I was looking briefly into .bash_profile and .profile as a answer for >>> an other mail and as i understand it bash will not read .profile or >>> .bash_login if you have a .bash_profile and in Ubuntu they use the >>> .profile file. > > I believe that should have ended "in Ubuntu they use the .bash_profile file" > or the next bit doesn't make sense (not to mention we talked about .profile > a while ago, and nobody seemed to have one). > >> Thanks, Jonas. Naturally I did google before posting. What I find >> unusual is that the taskbar button follows the configured path. So if >> one KDE element (the task bar) follows the configured path, why not >> another (Alt-F2)? > > Yes, the whole concept of non-login shells not needing to source any of > those files is that they're supposed to inherit from their parent, so it > really seems wrong if Alt-F2 doesn't > -- > derek > Should I file the bug with Kubuntu or with KDE? I do have a Fedora KDE box but I can't get to it right now to check. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 14:48:54 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:48:54 +0200 Subject: Alt-F2 has unique $PATH? In-Reply-To: <1298713.OWD2cvkXYt@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806241223o5667fcddoc7c3c2611f08695e@mail.gmail.com> <1298713.OWD2cvkXYt@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/25 Derek Broughton : > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2008/6/24 Jonas Norlander : >>> I think it has to do with that ALF-F2 is not a login shell or an >>> interactive shell so your shell config file (.bash_profile, >>> .bash_login or .profile) is not sourced. >>> >>> I was looking briefly into .bash_profile and .profile as a answer for >>> an other mail and as i understand it bash will not read .profile or >>> .bash_login if you have a .bash_profile and in Ubuntu they use the >>> .profile file. > > I believe that should have ended "in Ubuntu they use the .bash_profile file" > or the next bit doesn't make sense (not to mention we talked about .profile > a while ago, and nobody seemed to have one). > I don't agree with you on that, just to verify i created a new user (testuser) with the Kubuntu GUI, and this is the files created in the new users home dir: jonas at thor:~$ ls -lA /home/testuser/ totalt 12 -rw-r--r-- 1 testuser testuser 220 2007-10-05 17:25 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 testuser testuser 2940 2008-05-12 20:36 .bashrc -rw-r--r-- 1 testuser testuser 586 2008-04-15 05:37 .profile And this is the files in the skel dir: jonas at thor:~$ ls -lA /etc/skel/ totalt 12 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 220 2007-10-05 17:25 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2940 2008-05-12 20:36 .bashrc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 586 2008-04-15 05:37 .profile My system is Kubuntu Hardy upgraded from Kubuntu Gutsy. As you can see there is no .bash_profile and that make kind of sense as that is a bash specific file and the .profile is the standard (for login shell) for other Bourn compatible Shell. On Ubuntu /bin/sh is linked to dash and there are other Bourn shells like Ash, Kourn Shell and C Shell. Perhaps they changed policy away from the bash only config file and move to .profile in later version of Ubuntu? It would be great to have a table of what files is read for what shell at login, interactive or non-interactive scripts for it's very hard to get a grip of all this. / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 14:59:32 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:59:32 +0200 Subject: Alt-F2 has unique $PATH? In-Reply-To: <1298713.OWD2cvkXYt@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806241223o5667fcddoc7c3c2611f08695e@mail.gmail.com> <1298713.OWD2cvkXYt@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/25 Derek Broughton : > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2008/6/24 Jonas Norlander : >>> I think it has to do with that ALF-F2 is not a login shell or an >>> interactive shell so your shell config file (.bash_profile, >>> .bash_login or .profile) is not sourced. >>> >>> I was looking briefly into .bash_profile and .profile as a answer for >>> an other mail and as i understand it bash will not read .profile or >>> .bash_login if you have a .bash_profile and in Ubuntu they use the >>> .profile file. > > I believe that should have ended "in Ubuntu they use the .bash_profile file" > or the next bit doesn't make sense (not to mention we talked about .profile > a while ago, and nobody seemed to have one). > >> Thanks, Jonas. Naturally I did google before posting. What I find >> unusual is that the taskbar button follows the configured path. So if >> one KDE element (the task bar) follows the configured path, why not >> another (Alt-F2)? > > Yes, the whole concept of non-login shells not needing to source any of > those files is that they're supposed to inherit from their parent, so it > really seems wrong if Alt-F2 doesn't > -- > derek > And the parent for a non-login and non-interactive shell (as i would guess you get when running a program from ALT-F2) what program is it in this case and where do it get there environment variables from? / Jonas From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jun 25 17:04:42 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:04:42 +0100 Subject: Thunderbird Settings in 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48626470.8040302@gmail.com> References: <48626470.8040302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48627AAA.7070102@tiscali.co.uk> Michael wrote: > 8.04 * KDE 3.5.9 * TB 2.0.0.14 > > > After moving from 7.04 to 8.04, TB has some settings that I cannot seem > to find switches for in either the options menus or directly looking in > the prefs.js file. First, the pop-up notification when I get new mail. > I would like to turn it off. Edit/Preferences General Tab "When new messages arrive:" uncheck the check boxes... :@) HTH From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jun 25 17:19:43 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:19:43 -0300 Subject: Gutsy & Hardy References: <485FDCE0.7010202@drofle.com> <49b3a7400806231132r5e468d73m7745b987fc137709@mail.gmail.com> <40487961.ynnePp3POl@cedar.serverforest.com> <4860AA07.3000200@drofle.com> <1569663.2Ll9dIHOQG@cedar.serverforest.com> <48621381.4030109@drofle.com> <486217B3.1010705@bielenberg.id.au> <48621A39.8040802@yahoo.it> <1739090.yjukW54ElS@cedar.serverforest.com> <4862562C.8050305@drofle.com> Message-ID: <12298950.j5nIubtAX4@cedar.serverforest.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Ignazio Palmisano wrote: >> >>> Cary Bielenberg wrote: >>>> Neil, >>>> type in konsole window sudo apt-get update then when that is >>>> finished >>>> type apt-get install update-java-alternatives >> >> There's no such package. update-java-alternatives is part of >> java-common, which should be already installed. >> >> So just "sudo update-java-alternatives"! >> > I have just tried that and it is wanting the name of a file. That is, it > wants --set > > Do I just put java6 or sun-java6-jdk? > > Thanks, we'll get there Not if you can't learn to read the man pages... -- derek From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jun 25 17:31:47 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:31:47 +0100 Subject: Thunderbird Settings in 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48627F0E.4070506@gmail.com> References: <48626470.8040302@gmail.com> <48627AAA.7070102@tiscali.co.uk> <48627F0E.4070506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48628103.7010504@tiscali.co.uk> Michael wrote: > Wulfy wrote: > >> Edit/Preferences General Tab "When new messages arrive:" uncheck the >> check boxes... :@) >> >> HTH >> >> > > There is no such tab! Very strange. Does anyone know to do it via > editing the prefs.js file? > > Very strange. On my Preferences pop-up, it's the left-most tab... I'm using 2.0.0.14, too in Hardy... From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jun 25 17:32:44 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:32:44 +0100 Subject: Thunderbird Settings in 8.04 In-Reply-To: <48628026.80404@gmail.com> References: <48626470.8040302@gmail.com> <48627AAA.7070102@tiscali.co.uk> <48628026.80404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4862813C.6000507@tiscali.co.uk> Michael wrote: > Wulfy wrote: > >> Michael wrote: >> >> >>> 8.04 * KDE 3.5.9 * TB 2.0.0.14 >>> >>> >>> After moving from 7.04 to 8.04, TB has some settings that I cannot seem >>> to find switches for in either the options menus or directly looking in >>> the prefs.js file. First, the pop-up notification when I get new mail. >>> I would like to turn it off. >>> >>> >> Edit/Preferences General Tab "When new messages arrive:" uncheck the >> check boxes... :@) >> >> HTH >> >> > > Sorry - I found it. Thanks. > > > > Sorry for the last e-mail... I should read the thread before replying... From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Jun 25 17:40:52 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:40:52 -0400 Subject: Netiquette (was: Re: XMMS not in repository) In-Reply-To: <1856948.OX90K1LvVW@kahealani.com> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1856948.OX90K1LvVW@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <200806251340.53094.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 25 June 2008, Angela Kahealani wrote: > Bruce Marshall wrote: > > Netiquette calls for no more than 6 lines > > Netiquette calls for no more than 4 lines. > I guess you are right although I have seen 6 mentioned as the limit. In any event, 43 lines is the longest I have *ever* seen. And although mine tends to run about 6 lines with a random comic quote, I turn it off for mailing lists. From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Wed Jun 25 17:43:56 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:43:56 +0100 Subject: Netiquette In-Reply-To: <1856948.OX90K1LvVW@kahealani.com> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251549.37270.info@alvin.be> <20080625155643.9036e0df.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1856948.OX90K1LvVW@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <486283DC.50306@yahoo.it> Angela Kahealani wrote: > Bruce Marshall wrote: >> Netiquette calls for no more than 6 lines > > Netiquette calls for no more than 4 lines. > Different sites report different lengths, many say: between 4 and 6 (one averages at 5 :) ). Have you seen those pasting there the disclaimer: this email is only for the intended recipient blah blah... THAT is really annoying, it's not only long, it's meaningless, especially on mailing lists... I. From turgon at mike-leone.com Wed Jun 25 18:02:05 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:02:05 -0400 Subject: Netiquette (was: Re: XMMS not in repository) In-Reply-To: <200806251340.53094.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1856948.OX90K1LvVW@kahealani.com> <200806251340.53094.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Wednesday 25 June 2008, Angela Kahealani wrote: >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >> > Netiquette calls for no more than 6 lines >> >> Netiquette calls for no more than 4 lines. >> > > I guess you are right although I have seen 6 mentioned as the limit. > > In any event, 43 lines is the longest I have *ever* seen. You need to get out more often. :-) I have seen longer, altho only once. I've seen some with embeded pictures .... Some mail programs will automatically ignore anything that starts with the standard sig delimiter of "-- ", when quoting, so that makes it less of an issue. Mind you, this little discussion has taken more bandwidth than that guy's signature .... -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From turgon at mike-leone.com Wed Jun 25 18:07:27 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:07:27 -0400 Subject: Netiquette In-Reply-To: <486283DC.50306@yahoo.it> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251549.37270.info@alvin.be> <20080625155643.9036e0df.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1856948.OX90K1LvVW@kahealani.com> <486283DC.50306@yahoo.it> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > Angela Kahealani wrote: >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> Netiquette calls for no more than 6 lines >> >> Netiquette calls for no more than 4 lines. >> > > Different sites report different lengths, many say: between 4 and 6 (one > averages at 5 :) ). > > Have you seen those pasting there the disclaimer: this email is only for > the intended recipient blah blah... THAT is really annoying, it's not > only long, it's meaningless, especially on mailing lists... > I. It's not really meaningless, but it is annoying. Usually they say "if you are not the intended recipient".. well, since the mailing list is the intended recipient, and you are a member of the mailing list, then yes, you are (one of) the intended recipient(s). I see people on mailing lists (only Linux-related mailing lists, BTW) say those disclaimers are invalid, etc, because it's a mailing list. But those disclaimers are required by some company's mail servers, due to legal concerns (whether we think them valid or not, they are certainly of concern to the mail server owners). And so, they won't be disappearing anytime soon, so no use in complaining about them (as a generality). You could make a case about how reading and posting to lists from company email is usually not a good idea, unless you have a business need to be reading the list. -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jun 25 17:31:43 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:31:43 -0300 Subject: Alt-F2 has unique $PATH? References: <880dece00806232256x7aeb209fka03100d74d3b3398@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806241223o5667fcddoc7c3c2611f08695e@mail.gmail.com> <1298713.OWD2cvkXYt@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <3521837.pUBnABCrTm@cedar.serverforest.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/6/25 Derek Broughton : >> Yes, the whole concept of non-login shells not needing to source any of >> those files is that they're supposed to inherit from their parent, so it >> really seems wrong if Alt-F2 doesn't > > And the parent for a non-login and non-interactive shell (as i would > guess you get when running a program from ALT-F2) what program is it > in this case and where do it get there environment variables from? > The parent is the program that starts it - so it's your desktop. At some point up the chain it has to be both interactive an login. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Jun 25 18:53:39 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:53:39 -0300 Subject: Netiquette (was: Re: XMMS not in repository) References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1856948.OX90K1LvVW@kahealani.com> <200806251340.53094.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <1519694.RpexolTBmV@cedar.serverforest.com> Michael Leone wrote: > Some mail programs will automatically ignore anything that starts with > the standard sig delimiter of "-- ", when quoting, so that makes it > less of an issue. All decent mail programs _should_, but the problem is less with the quoting, than the fact that some people have to download all the excess on slow connections. > Mind you, this little discussion has taken more bandwidth than that > guy's signature .... Yes, but if we don't remind people, pretty soon all we'll have are .sigs. -- derek From grey at dmiyu.org Wed Jun 25 19:12:14 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Netiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251549.37270.info@alvin.be> <20080625155643.9036e0df.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1856948.OX90K1LvVW@kahealani.com> <486283DC.50306@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <59650.206.159.183.75.1214421134.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> On Wed, June 25, 2008 11:07 am, Michael Leone wrote: > I see people on mailing lists (only Linux-related mailing lists, BTW) > say those disclaimers are invalid, etc, because it's a mailing list. Nope. Generally we point out they are meaningless because they are not legally binding. They're written in legalese, they make some people feel warm and fuzzy because they appear all legalese and threatening but to my knowledge they are completely, utterly invalid and have never been tested in any court. -- Steve Lamb From turgon at mike-leone.com Wed Jun 25 19:23:08 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:23:08 -0400 Subject: Netiquette In-Reply-To: <59650.206.159.183.75.1214421134.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251549.37270.info@alvin.be> <20080625155643.9036e0df.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1856948.OX90K1LvVW@kahealani.com> <486283DC.50306@yahoo.it> <59650.206.159.183.75.1214421134.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Wed, June 25, 2008 11:07 am, Michael Leone wrote: >> I see people on mailing lists (only Linux-related mailing lists, BTW) >> say those disclaimers are invalid, etc, because it's a mailing list. > > Nope. Generally we point out they are meaningless because they are not > legally binding. They're written in legalese, they make some people > feel warm and fuzzy because they appear all legalese and threatening but > to my knowledge they are completely, utterly invalid and have never been > tested in any court. If they've never been tested in court, then they *could* be valid, hence the need to include it, on the off-chance that it *might* be held up in court one day. And even if one court says they are invalid, another higher court could overturn that, and then they go back to being valid. So rather than take the chance, disclaimers are included on emails. And again, we've spent more bandwidth talking about, than it took up. It's like complaining of top-posting. If you've got enough time to complain about top-posting, you've got too much free time on your hands. :-) Just move on, I say ... -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From mlsoft at videotron.ca Wed Jun 25 19:53:17 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:53:17 -0400 Subject: Netiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <59650.206.159.183.75.1214421134.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200806251553.17600.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Wednesday 25 June 2008 15:23:08 Michael Leone wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Wed, June 25, 2008 11:07 am, Michael Leone wrote: > >> I see people on mailing lists (only Linux-related mailing lists, BTW) > >> say those disclaimers are invalid, etc, because it's a mailing list. > > > > Nope. Generally we point out they are meaningless because they are not > > legally binding. They're written in legalese, they make some people > > feel warm and fuzzy because they appear all legalese and threatening but > > to my knowledge they are completely, utterly invalid and have never been > > tested in any court. > > > If they've never been tested in court, then they *could* be valid, > hence the need to include it, on the off-chance that it *might* be > held up in court one day. And even if one court says they are invalid, > another higher court could overturn that, and then they go back to > being valid. So rather than take the chance, disclaimers are included > on emails. > > And again, we've spent more bandwidth talking about, than it took up. > It's like complaining of top-posting. If you've got enough time to > complain about top-posting, you've got too much free time on your > hands. :-) Just move on, I say ... > > > > -- > Michael J. Leone > > > PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF > Photo Gallery: > > Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, > and a cereal for those who are hungry ... > It should exist an international (UN??) treatee who implicitly include a legal protection around the world, after some talk of those matters, to be fully legal. What if the email is dropped in another country. Who do you sue, (if you ever can)? How will you know that this email was misdirected to another person? To be precise, if you send your bank listing thru open unencrypted email to your other office on the other side of the country, then you just need to be out of business soon, and first FLUSH the sysadmin who let you do this without advising you of using other transports (SSL ??) for sensitive contents. Sending confidential info by email unencrypted is a bet for the worst. No message will change this. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 From grey at dmiyu.org Wed Jun 25 19:54:32 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Netiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251549.37270.info@alvin.be> <20080625155643.9036e0df.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1856948.OX90K1LvVW@kahealani.com> <486283DC.50306@yahoo.it> <59650.206.159.183.75.1214421134.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <25489.206.159.183.75.1214423672.squirrel@www.dmiyu.org> On Wed, June 25, 2008 12:23 pm, Michael Leone wrote: > And again, we've spent more bandwidth talking about, than it took up. > It's like complaining of top-posting. If you've got enough time to > complain about top-posting, you've got too much free time on your > hands. :-) Just move on, I say ... Who's complaining about bandwidth? I'm just pointing out how dumb the are. Here, watch. DISCLAIMER: If you receive this email you owe Steve Lamb $1,000,000,000.00 dollars due 30 seconds after reading this email. If you do not promptly pay the full amount you will be charged 33% APR, compounded every nanosecond, until payment is received. -- Steve Lamb From gmane at auxbuss.com Wed Jun 25 20:22:17 2008 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:22:17 +0200 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update References: <200806250933.05343.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: Bruce Marshall said... > On Wednesday 25 June 2008, P Kapat wrote: > > I had a similar issue with virtualbox modules, in Hardy though. IIRC > > there was no module for 2.6.24-18. So I waited before upgrading from > > 2.6.24-17. And recently 2.6.24-19 was available along with > > virtualbox-ose-modules compiled for it. So, I guess the moral is to do > > a manual check before an upgrade. If things don't look good, either > > pin then or hold them for the time being. Wait it out! > > Well yes.... but virtual box provides the ability to recompile their module > and I have never had a problem with it, through -19 on Hardy. > > /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup > > will compile the module for each new kernel. Dispassionately, is virtualbox 'better' than vmware? Pros. Cons? -- Cheers, Marc From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Jun 25 21:26:27 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:26:27 -0400 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update In-Reply-To: References: <200806250933.05343.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200806251726.27642.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 25 June 2008, marc wrote: > > /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup > > > > will compile the module for each new kernel. > > Dispassionately, is virtualbox 'better' than vmware? Pros. Cons? I haven't found any cons to using virtualbox... and a few pluses. I used VMware for about 8 years and paid a lot of money over those years. It did the job and was pretty reliable except when a new kernel would come out and then the pieces that you needed to compile would not compile. You had to wait for someone to come up with a any-any-any- patch in order to get things to compile. I decided to give VBox a try and it was easily installed. The only part that was hard was hooking it up to networking and I succeeded in doing that two different ways. One used the bridging now provided by the kernel and the other was using the networking provided by VBox. Can't really say which is better... mayhaps each one has some cons. I can surf the web and connect to most of my local machines, but sometimes things don't work all that well. I never got USB to work under VMWare but maybe today that is a non-issue. I do have it working under VBox and it works quite well. Other than going really deep into each virtual world, something I can't do because I don't really use either very deeply, I think VBox is better and easier to work with. From kap4lin at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 21:49:58 2008 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (P Kapat) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:49:58 -0400 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update In-Reply-To: <200806250933.05343.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200806250933.05343.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: On 6/25/08, Bruce Marshall wrote: > Well yes.... but virtual box provides the ability to recompile their module > and I have never had a problem with it, through -19 on Hardy. > > /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup > > will compile the module for each new kernel. well, that is a good to know. thanks. -- Regards PK -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Jun 25 21:57:04 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:57:04 -0400 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update In-Reply-To: References: <200806250933.05343.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200806251757.05140.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 25 June 2008, P Kapat wrote: > On 6/25/08, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > Well yes.... but virtual box provides the ability to recompile their > > module and I have never had a problem with it, through -19 on Hardy. > > > > /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup > > > > will compile the module for each new kernel. > > well, that is a good to know. thanks. Well if I hadn't told you, you would have gotten a message to that effect when you started VBox after a new kernel was loaded. From eagles051387 at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 06:57:32 2008 From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jon Aquilina) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:57:32 +0200 Subject: vmware server Message-ID: whats up with all the bugs in vmware server. are these bugs in the coding and im suprised how vmware hasnt moved to fix these issues -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lea.gris at noiraude.net Thu Jun 26 09:38:56 2008 From: lea.gris at noiraude.net (Lea Gris) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:38:56 +0200 Subject: Xorg nvidia issue with Kubuntu Hardy.. HowTo enabling nvidia restricted driver preference over the free nv Message-ID: <486363B0.5050804@noiraude.net> Hello, What is the proper way to setup preference on the Nvidia restricted driver over the free generic nv driver? On my laptop with nvidia 9600 wide screen 1280x960, Kubuntu load the free nv driver and it fail tu properly setup the screen, so I can't reach/see the desktop environment. So, using shell, I installed the restricted-drivers and nvidia-glx. But Xorg still decide to load the free nv driver instead, and as it fail to properly setup a wide screen properly and miss the hardware OpenGL, I ned to avoid this. For now, I manually edited Xorg.conf and added a line Driver "nvidia" into the Device section. This enable me to load and access the Kdesktop environment on my laptop using the Nvidia restricted driver, but this raise a major issue: Adding hardcoded driver into Xorg.conf, break the new Xorg autoconfiguration feature and it may break uppon upgrades. The Kde system I use is installed on an external USB drive to be moved and booted on different computer unit/configuration/locations like school lab or friend's PC, not only my laptop. So I realy need the Xorg autoconfiguration to work without any hardcoded device setup. The GFX card may vary from Intel, ATI, Nvidia... When it detect an Nvidia GFX card, it need to use the restricted non-free driver and not the nv driver. How can it be done? -- Léa Gris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ed.lau at mail.ee Thu Jun 26 10:08:05 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:08:05 +0300 Subject: I got blocked from this list and don't understand, why! Message-ID: <48636A85.2040201@mail.ee> Hi! I received the following message: "Your membership in the mailing list kubuntu-users has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 19-Jun-2008. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at..." Why this? I did do nothing and I got blocked? How to avoid this? It seems like I cannot stop my e-mail address get known in internet? If I am member of some list, anyway my address will be known and spam robots may get this if my letter will received somebody and this somebody's computer is infected with badware... If mailing list could hide sender e-mail address and replace it with list address, this could be possible. Thanks, Edmund From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 10:17:05 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:17:05 +0300 Subject: I got blocked from this list and don't understand, why! In-Reply-To: <48636A85.2040201@mail.ee> References: <48636A85.2040201@mail.ee> Message-ID: <880dece00806260317u4b05b817yc49a8123548b2c77@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/26 Edmund Laugasson : > Hi! > > I received the following message: > "Your membership in the mailing list kubuntu-users has been disabled > due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > 19-Jun-2008. You will not get any more messages from this list until > you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like > this before your membership in the list is deleted. > > To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message > (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at..." > > Why this? I did do nothing and I got blocked? How to avoid this? It seems like I cannot stop my > e-mail address get known in internet? If I am member of some list, anyway my address will be known > and spam robots may get this if my letter will received somebody and this somebody's computer is > infected with badware... If mailing list could hide sender e-mail address and replace it with list > address, this could be possible. > > > > Thanks, > Edmund > I've gotten these messages before on other lists. You post was received to the list (you can see that I'm replying to it) so don't worry about it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Thu Jun 26 10:23:05 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:23:05 +0100 Subject: I got blocked from this list and don't understand, why! In-Reply-To: <48636A85.2040201@mail.ee> References: <48636A85.2040201@mail.ee> Message-ID: <200806261123.05442.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> On Thursday 26 June 2008 11:08:05 Edmund Laugasson wrote: > Hi! > > I received the following message: > "Your membership in the mailing list kubuntu-users has been disabled > due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > 19-Jun-2008. You will not get any more messages from this list until > you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like > this before your membership in the list is deleted. > > To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message > (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at..." > > Why this? I did do nothing and I got blocked? How to avoid this? It seems > like I cannot stop my e-mail address get known in internet? If I am member > of some list, anyway my address will be known and spam robots may get this > if my letter will received somebody and this somebody's computer is > infected with badware... If mailing list could hide sender e-mail address > and replace it with list address, this could be possible. Your ISP or whoever handles your email is bouncing your emails for some reason. I've had it with Orange in the past where I've had to go back and re-enable certain mailinglists on Yahoo due to excessive bounces. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From suse-linux at rwz.de Thu Jun 26 11:26:45 2008 From: suse-linux at rwz.de (Jens Strohschnitter) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:26:45 +0200 Subject: XMMS not in repository In-Reply-To: <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <20080625154305.1ea67fba.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251549.37270.info@alvin.be> <20080625155643.9036e0df.suse-linux@rwz.de> <200806251014.30178.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <20080626132645.d9953812.suse-linux@rwz.de> > > Just a comment..... > > Any chance of reducing your signature??? At least for mailing lists? > > Netiquette calls for no more than 6 lines. You have *43* > Hi now I think I've found it to redirect my messages from Exchange-Server, so the disclaimer should not be attached anymore to outgoing messages. Sorry for that ... -- kind regards, Jens Strohschnitter ----------------------------------------- LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX Set the controls for the heart of the sun LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX ----------------------------------------- From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Jun 26 12:15:43 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:15:43 -0400 Subject: Xorg nvidia issue with Kubuntu Hardy.. HowTo enabling nvidia restricted driver preference over the free nv In-Reply-To: <486363B0.5050804@noiraude.net> References: <486363B0.5050804@noiraude.net> Message-ID: <200806260815.43683.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 26 June 2008, Lea Gris wrote: > How can it be done? Other than what you have already done, you need to edit the file: /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common and change the line there to be: DISABLED_MODULES="nv" From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Jun 26 12:18:32 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:18:32 -0400 Subject: I got blocked from this list and don't understand, why! In-Reply-To: <48636A85.2040201@mail.ee> References: <48636A85.2040201@mail.ee> Message-ID: <200806260818.33099.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Thursday 26 June 2008, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > Why this? I did do nothing and I got blocked? How to avoid this? It seems > like I cannot stop my e-mail address get known in internet? If I am member > of some list, anyway my address will be known and spam robots may get this > if my letter will received somebody and this somebody's computer is > infected with badware... If mailing list could hide sender e-mail address > and replace it with list address, this could be possible. What it means is that somewhere in the pipeline for your email, the list messages stopped getting through. Perhaps your ISP had a server down for a bit or whatever. It merely means that "hey there, we're not getting through to you and we keep getting our emails back so if this doesn't clear up, we're going to stop sending emails". A reasonable enough thing to do. Don't take it personally. From lea.gris at noiraude.net Thu Jun 26 13:16:15 2008 From: lea.gris at noiraude.net (Lea Gris) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:16:15 +0200 Subject: Xorg nvidia issue with Kubuntu Hardy.. HowTo enabling nvidia restricted driver preference over the free nv In-Reply-To: <200806260815.43683.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <486363B0.5050804@noiraude.net> <200806260815.43683.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <4863969F.9050509@noiraude.net> Bruce Marshall a écrit : > On Thursday 26 June 2008, Lea Gris wrote: >> How can it be done? > > Other than what you have already done, you need to edit the file: > > /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common > > and change the line there to be: > > DISABLED_MODULES="nv" Thank you Bruce, i'll try this out. Regards, -- Léa Gris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From spwhite at freesurf.ch Thu Jun 26 17:23:17 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:23:17 +0200 Subject: I got blocked from this list and don't understand, why! In-Reply-To: <48636A85.2040201@mail.ee> References: <48636A85.2040201@mail.ee> Message-ID: <200806261923.17776.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Thursday 26 June 2008 12:08, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > If mailing list could hide sender e-mail address and replace it with list > address, this could be possible. You could get a "disposable" mailbox that you use only for the list. Of course you must register with the new address to the list. If it gets too polluted you can junk it and create another. The main problem is that when you write you must remember to change the sending settings in your mail agent, then back again. Concerning the excessive bounces you may try to compare the archives with the mails you got to see if you finally got all your mails (after some bounces), perhaps an indication of server problems, see if there is pattern. If it appears that many mails are missing, and the problem persists you may want to ask your ISP why it bounces your mails. Somebody knows if some ISP bounce the spam mail they don't send you but keep on the server? Perry -- BOFH excuse #141: disks spinning backwards - toggle the hemisphere jumper From gmane at auxbuss.com Thu Jun 26 18:58:36 2008 From: gmane at auxbuss.com (marc) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:58:36 +0200 Subject: vmware (vmnet is not loaded) issue after kernel update References: <200806250933.05343.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200806251726.27642.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: Bruce Marshall said... > On Wednesday 25 June 2008, marc wrote: > > > /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup > > > > > > will compile the module for each new kernel. > > > > Dispassionately, is virtualbox 'better' than vmware? Pros. Cons? > > I haven't found any cons to using virtualbox... and a few pluses. > > I used VMware for about 8 years and paid a lot of money over those years. > > It did the job and was pretty reliable except when a new kernel would come out > and then the pieces that you needed to compile would not compile. You had to > wait for someone to come up with a any-any-any- patch in order to > get things to compile. > > I decided to give VBox a try and it was easily installed. The only part that > was hard was hooking it up to networking and I succeeded in doing that two > different ways. One used the bridging now provided by the kernel and the > other was using the networking provided by VBox. Can't really say which is > better... mayhaps each one has some cons. I can surf the web and connect > to most of my local machines, but sometimes things don't work all that well. > > I never got USB to work under VMWare but maybe today that is a non-issue. I > do have it working under VBox and it works quite well. > > Other than going really deep into each virtual world, something I can't do > because I don't really use either very deeply, I think VBox is better and > easier to work with. Thanks, Bruce. Looks like it's worth giving it a spin. -- Cheers, Marc From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 19:42:50 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:42:50 +0300 Subject: firefox 3 lost my history and bookmarks Message-ID: <4863F13A.1010501@gmail.com> i was using firefox normally, didn't install any new add-on, change a settings or anything, clicked close, save & quit, the next time i opened firefox, i was surprised there was no bookmarks no history, saved passwords are still there, add-ons are still working, and it's still using my old profile but without history or bookmarks. i tried entering "organise bookmarks", and click restore, tried all of the dates found there, always with the same error, cant process backup file! the backups exist, and when opened with kwrite, contain a bunch of URLs. any ideas are welcome -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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Verify fails on the first track. 3. hwinfo on drive gives me HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H55L rev 1.04 firmware. Did this two times with 2X and 4X write speeds on 8X media. 4. One disc passed the check on install but produced error on the start of installation. Just get "ERROR" on display and disc ejected. FYI P.S. Did not have problems with openSUSE 11.0 distros, both CD and DVD versions. TIA -- chuck adams, k7qo k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net From juankawada at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 02:48:28 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:48:28 -0600 Subject: K3b and GL DVD DL drive problem In-Reply-To: <200806261343.31559.k7qo@commspeed.net> References: <200806261343.31559.k7qo@commspeed.net> Message-ID: I also got fedora 9 via torrent, and during the verify k3b said here was an error. However, I when I installed it, it worked fine. (well the cd, I have different problems with the distro) Is it possible (since it passed the built in verify) that the problem is with k3b, and maybe fedora 9 can't install on your hardware without some tweaking? Just a thought since k3b always burns discs fine for me, but they never pass the verify. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:43 PM, chuck adams wrote: > > Wondering if anyone else has run into this problem. > > I have a relatively new GL DVD DL drive that has been doing just fine. > But here is my following problem. > > 1. Playing with distros, so downloaded Fedora 9 via torrent. Checks with > SHA1SUM. > > 2. Using K3b version 1.0.4 on an AMD 64 system Kubuntu 8.04. > Write to DVD from ISO image with verify process turned on. > Verify fails on the first track. > > 3. hwinfo on drive gives me HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H55L rev 1.04 firmware. > > Did this two times with 2X and 4X write speeds on 8X media. > > 4. One disc passed the check on install but produced error on the start of > installation. Just get "ERROR" on display and disc ejected. > > FYI > > P.S. Did not have problems with openSUSE 11.0 distros, both CD and DVD > versions. > > TIA > > -- > chuck adams, k7qo > k7qo at commspeed.net > http://www.k7qo.net > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juankawada at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 02:51:38 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:51:38 -0600 Subject: firefox 3 lost my history and bookmarks In-Reply-To: <4863F13A.1010501@gmail.com> References: <4863F13A.1010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you crash your computer in between that? I had a similar problem when I crashed my computer while messing around with Wine. I lost all saved setting except for bookmarks. As for fixing it, you may just have to copy and paste the urls you found into your bookmarks and restart. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i was using firefox normally, didn't install any new add-on, change a > settings or anything, clicked close, save & quit, the next time i opened > firefox, i was surprised there was no bookmarks no history, saved > passwords are still there, add-ons are still working, and it's still > using my old profile but without history or bookmarks. > i tried entering "organise bookmarks", and click restore, tried all of > the dates found there, always with the same error, cant process backup > file! > the backups exist, and when opened with kwrite, contain a bunch of URLs. > any ideas are welcome > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chadthecommie at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 04:07:55 2008 From: chadthecommie at gmail.com (Chad Moore) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:07:55 -0500 Subject: Well I think I have an nvidia problem In-Reply-To: <49b3a7400806240604n25bad3b0y4376f0356945cf14@mail.gmail.com> References: <23e1b420806231535i1a68b08dkc941d78bc8937a73@mail.gmail.com> <49b3a7400806240604n25bad3b0y4376f0356945cf14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23e1b420806262107n6df44843tfd64694e4cac08f5@mail.gmail.com> ahhh good its fixed...no I just restarted my computer and it fixed itself. Very Weird. Thanks everyone for reading and replying On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Tycho Andersen wrote: > Have you tried reinstalling your graphics driver? Kubuntu since 8.04 has > been screwing up my nVidia binary driver every time there's a kernel patch, > although reinstalling the driver fixes the issue. > > Tycho > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Chad Moore > wrote: > >> I am rather new to Kubuntu and this is my second time posting on this >> mailing list. This list has helped me a great deal with my problems with >> Kubuntu but now I am stuck and need some advice. My computer was running >> great for about a 2 months now and when I restarted it yesterday, during >> start up diagnostic, it tells me that the sba1 has been forced mounted 35 >> times and needs to be scanned...and runs a scan disk esk program. Well >> everything turned out to be fine but when the computer ended up >> booting...all my graphic card settings are shot and its stuck its 640 x >> 480. All help would be great. Thanks a lot. >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 11:27:22 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:27:22 +0300 Subject: firefox 3 lost my history and bookmarks [SOLVED] Message-ID: <15edeae40806270427r9edb513jabe4236783de4334@mail.gmail.com> thanks for your reply, i forgot that vmware ran firefox as root once, which messed up some permission in .mozilla, i chowned back the whole .mozilla directory, and firefox is working as normal again 2008/6/27 Juan Kawada : > Did you crash your computer in between that? I had a similar problem when I > crashed my computer while messing around with Wine. I lost all saved setting > except for bookmarks. > > As for fixing it, you may just have to copy and paste the urls you found > into your bookmarks and restart. > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Willy K. Hamra > wrote: > >> i was using firefox normally, didn't install any new add-on, change a >> settings or anything, clicked close, save & quit, the next time i opened >> firefox, i was surprised there was no bookmarks no history, saved >> passwords are still there, add-ons are still working, and it's still >> using my old profile but without history or bookmarks. >> i tried entering "organise bookmarks", and click restore, tried all of >> the dates found there, always with the same error, cant process backup >> file! >> the backups exist, and when opened with kwrite, contain a bunch of URLs. >> any ideas are welcome >> >> -- >> Willy K. Hamra >> Manager of Hamra Information Systems >> Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Dan Quayle - "It's time for the human race to enter the solar system." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From divan.santana at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 12:23:44 2008 From: divan.santana at gmail.com (Divan Santana) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:23:44 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Tutorials Day Planning In-Reply-To: <200806101750.52178.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200806061503.44315.nixternal@kubuntu.org> <200806082055.03057.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00806081205s2185ac81o31d23f2983870bc4@mail.gmail.com> <200806101750.52178.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: On 6/10/08, Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Sunday 08 June 2008 21:05, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Can you provide a link? For some reason, I cannot find the IRC logs >> even though I'm an experienced googler and I even thought that I had >> it bookmarked. I might find the time to go through the logs and >> produce something pretty. > No, sorry > > Perry > > -- > BOFH excuse #11: magnetic interference from money/credit cards > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Divan Santana From slewin at bmts.com Fri Jun 27 13:13:04 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:13:04 -0400 Subject: PHP Development Message-ID: <4864E760.1040709@bmts.com> Hi, I have been using Quanta to develop my current web page that haves a large amount of PHP. It is great, but when I try to edit my PHP files with more than, roughly, 1000 lines the Quanta/Kwrite code folding bugs come out and make the code folding worthless. Can anybody suggest a decent program, an IDE, Web Development kit or other, that is good for writing PHP? I consider code folding, syntax highlighting, and code completion as necessities. I consider html buttons that add in html code and the ability to open projects as a bonus. I also consider being open source a bonus, but I am willing to use proprietary software if needed. Thank you for any help or advice you can give me. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Fri Jun 27 13:18:54 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:18:54 -0400 Subject: PHP Development In-Reply-To: <4864E760.1040709@bmts.com> Message-ID: Eclipse with the PDT plugin (PHP Development Tools). On 6/27/08 9:13 AM, "Scott" wrote: > Hi, > > I have been using Quanta to develop my current web page that haves a > large amount of PHP. It is great, but when I try to edit my PHP files > with more than, roughly, 1000 lines the Quanta/Kwrite code folding bugs > come out and make the code folding worthless. > > Can anybody suggest a decent program, an IDE, Web Development kit or > other, that is good for writing PHP? I consider code folding, syntax > highlighting, and code completion as necessities. I consider html > buttons that add in html code and the ability to open projects as a > bonus. I also consider being open source a bonus, but I am willing to > use proprietary software if needed. > > Thank you for any help or advice you can give me. From slewin at bmts.com Fri Jun 27 13:27:14 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:27:14 -0400 Subject: PHP Development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4864EAB2.8010100@bmts.com> Ant Cunningham wrote: > Eclipse with the PDT plugin (PHP Development Tools). I have been thinking about eclipse, I will give it a try. Is there any good places to go to learn how to use eclipse, or is the built in help good enough? -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Fri Jun 27 13:40:18 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:40:18 -0400 Subject: PHP Development In-Reply-To: <4864EAB2.8010100@bmts.com> Message-ID: > I have been thinking about eclipse, I will give it a try. Is there any > good places to go to learn how to use eclipse, or is the built in help > good enough? I've never used the help really so I can't speak to that. I think I asked a couple questions of colleauges that have used it at first but that's about it. For the most part its fairly intuitive after you get over it not being a "glorified text editor" but an IDE (I came from using Textmate). Granted I still don't know it inside and out, but I'm also far past the threshold where its more of a help than a hindrance. From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Fri Jun 27 13:36:43 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:36:43 -0700 Subject: PHP Development In-Reply-To: <4864EAB2.8010100@bmts.com> References: <4864EAB2.8010100@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806270636.43895.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Friday 27 June 2008 06:27:14 am Scott wrote: > Ant Cunningham wrote: > > Eclipse with the PDT plugin (PHP Development Tools). > > I have been thinking about eclipse, I will give it a try. Is there any > good places to go to learn how to use eclipse, or is the built in help > good enough? Scott: Another thing that you can try and is generally good practice is to modularize your code across several files and use "include" statements in your main php file. This also gives you the benefit of using that code elsewhere in your project without rewriting or copy/pasting. Larry From slewin at bmts.com Fri Jun 27 13:58:01 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:58:01 -0400 Subject: PHP Development In-Reply-To: <200806270636.43895.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <4864EAB2.8010100@bmts.com> <200806270636.43895.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <4864F1E9.3060100@bmts.com> Larry Hartman wrote: > Another thing that you can try and is generally good practice is to modularize > your code across several files and use "include" statements in your main php > file. This also gives you the benefit of using that code elsewhere in your > project without rewriting or copy/pasting. I was always wondering how modular I should make my code. I have used include a little bit, but I never know how large of a script is too large. I will make sure to make my code more modular, and try and make more include statements, thanks. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com Fri Jun 27 14:08:37 2008 From: prodigitalson at vectrbas-d.com (Ant Cunningham) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:08:37 -0400 Subject: PHP Development In-Reply-To: <4864F1E9.3060100@bmts.com> Message-ID: On 6/27/08 9:58 AM, "Scott" wrote: > I was always wondering how modular I should make my code. I have used > include a little bit, but I never know how large of a script is too > large. I will make sure to make my code more modular, and try and make > more include statements, thanks. Well I wouldn't thin kin terms of size so much as in terms of functionality or data encapsulation. This makes for a lot of small to medium sized files just by nature. For instance before I started doing OOP stuff I would typically have one main controller file, one for each mysql table (soley for setting and getting dat ain the database), various configuration files, one for global functions, and then several files for different "libraries" of functions, and different snippets of presentation. From gjunming at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 14:28:29 2008 From: gjunming at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?udy/ocP3?=) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:28:29 -0400 Subject: PHP Development In-Reply-To: References: <4864F1E9.3060100@bmts.com> Message-ID: <1fb621c20806270728y42401ac7kd4e8e536ef92d7ae@mail.gmail.com> in my opinion,maybe there are two good choice for you! One is the netbeans for php(the os indepent package are only 25 MB,which with synax highlight, code auto and with the project manager). and the other one is vim with some plugin such as autocomplpop.vim taglist.vim or any other.! So, good luck for your choice.! 2008/6/27 Ant Cunningham : > > On 6/27/08 9:58 AM, "Scott" wrote: > > > > I was always wondering how modular I should make my code. I have used > > include a little bit, but I never know how large of a script is too > > large. I will make sure to make my code more modular, and try and make > > more include statements, thanks. > > Well I wouldn't thin kin terms of size so much as in terms of functionality > or data encapsulation. This makes for a lot of small to medium sized files > just by nature. For instance before I started doing OOP stuff I would > typically have one main controller file, one for each mysql table (soley > for > setting and getting dat ain the database), various configuration files, one > for global functions, and then several files for different "libraries" of > functions, and different snippets of presentation. > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slewin at bmts.com Fri Jun 27 14:31:00 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:00 -0400 Subject: PHP Development In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4864F9A4.1050708@bmts.com> Ant Cunningham wrote: > Well I wouldn't thin kin terms of size so much as in terms of functionality > or data encapsulation. This makes for a lot of small to medium sized files > just by nature. Okay, I'll try that. > one for each mysql table (soley for > setting and getting dat ain the database), I never thought about doing something like that. :) -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From joelol75 at verizon.net Fri Jun 27 14:45:57 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:45:57 -0400 Subject: Kernel vs Hardware In-Reply-To: <200804141537.12990.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200804131950.59158.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <15edeae40804132326w3373988cm4f3b9a846b14ba7e@mail.gmail.com> <200804140607.14901.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <200804141537.12990.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4864FD25.8010405@verizon.net> The generic kernel is more optimized than the 386. It also supports SMP for multi-core processors and SSE SSE2, ect... AMD athlon xp's are not 64 bit. From gregg at maths.uwa.edu.au Fri Jun 27 16:38:29 2008 From: gregg at maths.uwa.edu.au (Greg Gamble) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:38:29 +0800 Subject: lost usb/dvd on gutsy->hardy upgrade Message-ID: <20080627163829.GA4785@abutilon> Dear Kubuntu-ers I thought I'd done all the right things: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade ... then modified /etc/apt/sources.list with vim: :%s/gutsy/hardy/g apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade -y The -y was so I could leave it going overnight. Anyway, everything looked alright, but then I discovered that my machine was not detecting my usb (for flash drive) or dvd drive. Everything else is working fine ... I can even internet-connect (fortunately ... so I can write this email). I've already tried doing apt-get dist-upgrade again, to see if anything was missed. My machine is an AMD 64 Inspiron 531S, if that's of any help. Everything was working fine with gutsy, except I had a few issues with Firefox... and since my work machine was already upgraded to hardy and didn't have those issues, I thought I'd upgrade. Seems like a bad idea now. I scanned the archives and in April some problems were reported with an Athlon 64 where Jesus Arocho succeeded by going back to an x.14 kernel. We seem to be up to x.19 now ... but going back to x.14 doesn't work for me. Has anyone struck this problem? ... or better yet know a check list I should be checking? ... or even better, know a fix? Should I go back to gutsy? Is the above reversible? (I'm told that I only needed to do a dist-upgrade on gutsy to remove the probelms with Firefox.) Regards and thanks in advance, Greg Gamble From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar Fri Jun 27 17:03:50 2008 From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L. Berdaguer) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:03:50 -0300 Subject: lost usb/dvd on gutsy->hardy upgrade In-Reply-To: <20080627163829.GA4785@abutilon> References: <20080627163829.GA4785@abutilon> Message-ID: <200806271403.50519.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> I guess it'd be usefull if you could paste the output of "lsusb" to see if the flash drive hardware itself gets detected. Also, "lsmod | grep usb". For the cdrom, my guess is "lsscsi" and "lsmod | grep cdrom" That won't solve anything, but it should provide some more info about what's wrong. El Friday 27 June 2008 13:38:29 Greg Gamble escribió: > Dear Kubuntu-ers > > I thought I'd done all the right things: > > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > ... then modified /etc/apt/sources.list with vim: :%s/gutsy/hardy/g > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade -y > > The -y was so I could leave it going overnight. Anyway, everything looked > alright, but then I discovered that my machine was not detecting my usb > (for flash drive) or dvd drive. Everything else is working fine ... I > can even internet-connect (fortunately ... so I can write this email). > > I've already tried doing > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > again, to see if anything was missed. > > My machine is an AMD 64 Inspiron 531S, if that's of any help. > > Everything was working fine with gutsy, except I had a few issues with > Firefox... > and since my work machine was already upgraded to hardy and didn't have > those issues, I thought I'd upgrade. Seems like a bad idea now. > > I scanned the archives and in April some problems were reported with > an Athlon 64 where Jesus Arocho succeeded by going back to an x.14 > kernel. We seem to be up to x.19 now ... but going back to x.14 doesn't > work for me. > > Has anyone struck this problem? ... or better yet know a check list I > should be checking? ... or even better, know a fix? > > Should I go back to gutsy? Is the above reversible? > (I'm told that I only needed to do a dist-upgrade on gutsy to remove > the probelms with Firefox.) > > Regards and thanks in advance, > Greg Gamble From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jun 27 17:57:54 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:57:54 -0500 Subject: PHP Development In-Reply-To: <4864E760.1040709@bmts.com> References: <4864E760.1040709@bmts.com> Message-ID: <48652A22.7000807@swbell.net> Scott wrote: > Hi, > > I have been using Quanta to develop my current web page that haves a > large amount of PHP. It is great, but when I try to edit my PHP files > with more than, roughly, 1000 lines the Quanta/Kwrite code folding bugs > come out and make the code folding worthless. > > Can anybody suggest a decent program, an IDE, Web Development kit or > other, that is good for writing PHP? I consider code folding, syntax > highlighting, and code completion as necessities. I consider html > buttons that add in html code and the ability to open projects as a > bonus. I also consider being open source a bonus, but I am willing to > use proprietary software if needed. > > Thank you for any help or advice you can give me. > > I've never used the PHP thing but Kompozer has a listing for it in one of the drop down menus. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From gregg at maths.uwa.edu.au Fri Jun 27 18:28:19 2008 From: gregg at maths.uwa.edu.au (Greg Gamble) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:28:19 +0800 Subject: lost usb/dvd on gutsy->hardy upgrade In-Reply-To: <200806271403.50519.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> References: <20080627163829.GA4785@abutilon> <200806271403.50519.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <20080627182819.GA4845@abutilon> Thanks for the reply Pablo, $ lsmod | grep usb usb_storage 82496 0 libusual 23520 1 usb_storage usbhid 35296 0 hid 44992 1 usbhid usbcore 169904 6 usb_storage,libusual,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd scsi_mod 178488 5 usb_storage,sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata $ lsmod | grep cdrom cdrom 41512 1 sr_mod I'm not sure what you mean for lsscsi ... there doesn't seem to be such a command on my machine. Anyway, I hope there's something in the above that's helpful for diagnosis. Regards, Greg Gamble On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 02:03:50PM -0300, Pablo L. Berdaguer wrote: > I guess it'd be usefull if you could paste the output of "lsusb" to see if the > flash drive hardware itself gets detected. > Also, "lsmod | grep usb". For the cdrom, my guess is "lsscsi" and "lsmod | grep > cdrom" > That won't solve anything, but it should provide some more info about what's > wrong. > > > El Friday 27 June 2008 13:38:29 Greg Gamble escribió: > > Dear Kubuntu-ers > > > > I thought I'd done all the right things: > > > > apt-get update > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > ... then modified /etc/apt/sources.list with vim: :%s/gutsy/hardy/g > > apt-get update > > apt-get dist-upgrade -y > > > > The -y was so I could leave it going overnight. Anyway, everything looked > > alright, but then I discovered that my machine was not detecting my usb > > (for flash drive) or dvd drive. Everything else is working fine ... I > > can even internet-connect (fortunately ... so I can write this email). > > > > I've already tried doing > > > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > > > again, to see if anything was missed. > > > > My machine is an AMD 64 Inspiron 531S, if that's of any help. > > > > Everything was working fine with gutsy, except I had a few issues with > > Firefox... > > and since my work machine was already upgraded to hardy and didn't have > > those issues, I thought I'd upgrade. Seems like a bad idea now. > > > > I scanned the archives and in April some problems were reported with > > an Athlon 64 where Jesus Arocho succeeded by going back to an x.14 > > kernel. We seem to be up to x.19 now ... but going back to x.14 doesn't > > work for me. > > > > Has anyone struck this problem? ... or better yet know a check list I > > should be checking? ... or even better, know a fix? > > > > Should I go back to gutsy? Is the above reversible? > > (I'm told that I only needed to do a dist-upgrade on gutsy to remove > > the probelms with Firefox.) > > > > Regards and thanks in advance, > > Greg Gamble > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Regards, Greg Gamble From cliff at kliphy.com Fri Jun 27 21:17:50 2008 From: cliff at kliphy.com (cliff weisgerber) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:17:50 -0600 Subject: root password Message-ID: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> The documentation for kubuntu says that there is no root password by default. Not true and I cannot get root access to install some apps. Does anyone know what the root password is set to in the install media for kubuntu. Thanks. Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. > > > > Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Vineeth Saraschandran Embedded software Developer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenwaldjared at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 21:33:25 2008 From: greenwaldjared at gmail.com (Jared Greenwald) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:33:25 -0400 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <63676fdd0806271424i23719410t4bec7d6638313e1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <63676fdd0806271424i23719410t4bec7d6638313e1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2759cf860806271433t2bc2976bkc845c9d0df234c83@mail.gmail.com> What kind of app is this? To get to a root shell you can sudo -s and then run passwd from there. On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:24 PM, wrote: > you need to set the root password first > > One of the way is to login to the machine in single user mode and change the > root password. > > > On 6/27/08, cliff weisgerber wrote: >> >> The documentation for kubuntu says that there is no root password by >> default. Not true and I cannot get root access to install some apps. Does >> anyone know what the root password is set to in the install media for >> kubuntu. Thanks. >> >> >> >> Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." >> >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > Vineeth Saraschandran > Embedded software Developer > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From kassube at gmx.net Fri Jun 27 21:36:12 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:36:12 +0200 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <200806272336.12079.kassube@gmx.net> cliff weisgerber wrote: > The documentation for kubuntu says that there is no root password by > default. Not true and I cannot get root access to install some apps. > Does anyone know what the root password is set to in the install media > for kubuntu. Thanks. If you want to run a single command as root, use "sudo command". If you need a root shell, use "sudo -i". BTW: There really is no password for root, but the root account is locked, so you can't login as root. Here is some background info: Nils From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 21:50:06 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:50:06 +0200 Subject: lost usb/dvd on gutsy->hardy upgrade In-Reply-To: <20080627182819.GA4845@abutilon> References: <20080627163829.GA4785@abutilon> <200806271403.50519.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <20080627182819.GA4845@abutilon> Message-ID: 2008/6/27 Greg Gamble : > Thanks for the reply Pablo, > > $ lsmod | grep usb > usb_storage 82496 0 > libusual 23520 1 usb_storage > usbhid 35296 0 > hid 44992 1 usbhid > usbcore 169904 6 usb_storage,libusual,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd > scsi_mod 178488 5 usb_storage,sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata > > $ lsmod | grep cdrom > cdrom 41512 1 sr_mod > Hi Greg! You say you lost USB but exactly what is it that dont work for you? It looks like it has detected and loaded the drivers for your USB. To see what USB devices you have connected you can run the lsusb command from a console. The DVD problem can be related to the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/223534 i reported after my upgrade to Hardy but without more info it's hard to know. There is a fix in the bug report you could try in that case. Can you give us the output from this command: ls -l /dev/s[cd]* ls -l /dev/cd* ls -l /dev/dvd* / Jonas From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Fri Jun 27 21:53:09 2008 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:53:09 +0100 Subject: lost usb/dvd on gutsy->hardy upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <20080627163829.GA4785@abutilon> <200806271403.50519.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <20080627182819.GA4845@abutilon> Message-ID: <20080627225309.2fe6b42a.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:50:06 +0200 "Jonas Norlander" wrote: JN> 2008/6/27 Greg Gamble : JN> > Thanks for the reply Pablo, JN> > JN> > $ lsmod | grep usb JN> > usb_storage 82496 0 JN> > libusual 23520 1 usb_storage JN> > usbhid 35296 0 JN> > hid 44992 1 usbhid JN> > usbcore 169904 6 usb_storage,libusual,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd JN> > scsi_mod 178488 5 usb_storage,sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata JN> > JN> > $ lsmod | grep cdrom JN> > cdrom 41512 1 sr_mod JN> > JN> JN> Hi Greg! JN> JN> You say you lost USB but exactly what is it that dont work for you? JN> It looks like it has detected and loaded the drivers for your USB. To JN> see what USB devices you have connected you can run the lsusb command JN> from a console. The other thing that may be worth doing is running: tail -f /var/log/messages in a terminal and watching to see if any messages are generated when you plug in device. -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Jun 27 22:15:14 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:15:14 -0700 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <200806271515.14304.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Friday 27 June 2008 02:17:50 pm cliff weisgerber wrote: > The documentation for kubuntu says that there is no root password by > default. Not true and I cannot get root access to install some apps. Does > anyone know what the root password is set to in the install media for > kubuntu. Thanks. The docs were correct. And it IS very frustrating for someone coming from a different distro. Actually seems like a catch 22! However, you are lucky that you are using Kubuntu as it has Konsole! To get a root console in it just hit the session menu and go down to "New Root Shell" and it will bring one up asking for your password. It is whatever password you set for your user and then you can run your installs as a root user! It is cumbersome but it does work after you get used to it a little bit. My first three days were absolute agony, and I about dumped Kubuntu in favor of Mandriva. I am glad now that I didn't! My problem was I needed to edit a config file which of course wouldn't edit as I didn't have permissions to do so. I finally figured out I could run kate from a root shell and voila ...I could edit the file! ;) And BTW if you want to do something in a regular shell, it is sudo, not su. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 22:28:27 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:28:27 -0600 Subject: controlling touchpad in hardy? Message-ID: <4865698B.3000802@gmail.com> Under gutsy, my laptop had a thing in the system tray that would allow me to configure the touchpad so that tapping it was not interpreted as a mouse click (I had to reconfigure it every time, though, but at least it was possible). I did an upgrade to hardy, and that program isn't there any more. And going to system settings doesn't seem to give me any options that affect the touchpad. Does anyone know what I need to do regain some control over my touchpad? It's driving me crazy: the laptop keeps thinking I'm clicking the mouse when I'm just trying to move it. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From cliff at kliphy.com Sat Jun 28 00:48:33 2008 From: cliff at kliphy.com (cliff weisgerber) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:48:33 -0600 Subject: root password Message-ID: <200806280051.m5S0owb0011926@mail.kliphy.com> Thanks my bro. I'm an old school (Bell Labs/Berkeley) unix hack from the'70s and started doing linux stuff in the late '90s (Y2K scam...I mean scare ;). Some of these linux distros are kinda wierd but after figuring the gotchas out, I do like them all. Btw, I'm trying to look at linuxMCE so I need kubuntu and I'm a kubuntu virgin. mobile cliffy -----Original Message----- From: "Pastor JW" To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Sent: 6/27/2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: root password On Friday 27 June 2008 02:17:50 pm cliff weisgerber wrote: > The documentation for kubuntu says that there is no root password by > default. Not true and I cannot get root access to install some apps. Does > anyone know what the root password is set to in the install media for > kubuntu. Thanks. The docs were correct. And it IS very frustrating for someone coming from a different distro. Actually seems like a catch 22! However, you are lucky that you are using Kubuntu as it has Konsole! To get a root console in it just hit the session menu and go down to "New Root Shell" and it will bring one up asking for your password. It is whatever password you set for your user and then you can run your installs as a root user! It is cumbersome but it does work after you get used to it a little bit. My first three days were absolute agony, and I about dumped Kubuntu in favor of Mandriva. I am glad now that I didn't! My problem was I needed to edit a config file which of course wouldn't edit as I didn't have permissions to do so. I finally figured out I could run kate from a root shell and voila ...I could edit the file! ;) And BTW if you want to do something in a regular shell, it is sudo, not su. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar Sat Jun 28 02:18:41 2008 From: plberd-kubuntu at yahoo.com.ar (Pablo L. Berdaguer) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:18:41 -0300 Subject: lost usb/dvd on gutsy->hardy upgrade In-Reply-To: <20080627225309.2fe6b42a.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> References: <20080627163829.GA4785@abutilon> <20080627225309.2fe6b42a.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200806272318.41894.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> Modules look ok... At least Greg's system loads the same modules mine does. Maybe what's missing is the deamon that automounts these devices... but I don't remember it's name right now. About the lsscsi... I think you have to install it (sudo apt-get install lsscsi) but you won't need it... your drive was detected ant the module loaded. Do as Jonas sais, and if you have a /dev/cdrom file (or something like that) put a data cd in you cd drive and try: sudo mount /dev/cdrom -t iso9660 /mnt/cd replaceing: /dev/cdrom with whatever you found that sounded like a cdrom /mnt/cd with any empty directory you have... the files in your cd should appair there. if mount fails, it should give some more info about why. If it does fail, try again using also -v before -t. That does the same but in a verbose fashion. El Friday 27 June 2008 18:53:09 James Tappin escribió: > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:50:06 +0200 > "Jonas Norlander" wrote: > > JN> 2008/6/27 Greg Gamble : > JN> > Thanks for the reply Pablo, > JN> > > JN> > $ lsmod | grep usb > JN> > usb_storage 82496 0 > JN> > libusual 23520 1 usb_storage > JN> > usbhid 35296 0 > JN> > hid 44992 1 usbhid > JN> > usbcore 169904 6 > usb_storage,libusual,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd JN> > scsi_mod > 178488 5 usb_storage,sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata JN> > > JN> > $ lsmod | grep cdrom > JN> > cdrom 41512 1 sr_mod > JN> > > JN> > JN> Hi Greg! > JN> > JN> You say you lost USB but exactly what is it that dont work for you? > JN> It looks like it has detected and loaded the drivers for your USB. To > JN> see what USB devices you have connected you can run the lsusb command > JN> from a console. > > The other thing that may be worth doing is running: > tail -f /var/log/messages > in a terminal and watching to see if any messages are generated when you > plug in device. > > > -- > +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ > > | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | > | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | > | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | > > +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 04:03:53 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:03:53 -0400 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <200806280051.m5S0owb0011926@mail.kliphy.com> References: <200806280051.m5S0owb0011926@mail.kliphy.com> Message-ID: <3dde113c0806272103j65dc0e6bp51a524cd3b1c6c6d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:48 PM, cliff weisgerber wrote: > Thanks my bro. I'm an old school (Bell Labs/Berkeley) unix hack from > the'70s and started doing linux stuff in the late '90s (Y2K scam...I mean > scare ;). Some of these linux distros are kinda wierd but after figuring > the gotchas out, I do like them all. > I felt the same way initially. But I decided to try the "no root password" approach, after reading up on it. Anyway, it's been almost two years and I have adjusted to it. You might want to try it for a month and see what you think. After all, if you backslide, you can still do "sudo -i" and have a root session in that terminal. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryg at gaiser.org Sat Jun 28 04:05:54 2008 From: jerryg at gaiser.org (Jerry Gaiser) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:05:54 -0700 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <63676fdd0806271424i23719410t4bec7d6638313e1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <63676fdd0806271424i23719410t4bec7d6638313e1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806272105.55306.jerryg@gaiser.org> On Friday 27 June 2008 14:24, vineeth.chandran at gmail.com wrote: > you need to set the root password first > > One of the way is to login to the machine in single user mode and change > the root password. Easier ... sudo passwd root -- Jerry Gaiser in North Plains, Oregon USA - 45.6933N 123.0418W “Probably one of the most private things in the world is an egg until it is broken.” M.F.K. Fisher From john.j35 at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 05:12:33 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:12:33 -0500 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <200806272105.55306.jerryg@gaiser.org> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <63676fdd0806271424i23719410t4bec7d6638313e1c@mail.gmail.com> <200806272105.55306.jerryg@gaiser.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Jerry Gaiser wrote: > On Friday 27 June 2008 14:24, vineeth.chandran at gmail.com wrote: >> you need to set the root password first >> >> One of the way is to login to the machine in single user mode and change >> the root password. > > Easier ... sudo passwd root > > -- > Jerry Gaiser in North Plains, Oregon USA - 45.6933N 123.0418W > "Probably one of the most private things in the world is an egg > until it is broken." M.F.K. Fisher > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Why not just use sudo command: Such as sudo apt-get install somepackage As for editing config files, I prefer joe, so it would go like sudo joe fstab It is what sudo was meant to do after all. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From jerryg at gaiser.org Sat Jun 28 05:24:39 2008 From: jerryg at gaiser.org (Jerry Gaiser) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:24:39 -0700 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200806272105.55306.jerryg@gaiser.org> Message-ID: <200806272224.39621.jerryg@gaiser.org> On Friday 27 June 2008 22:12, John Pierce wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Jerry Gaiser wrote: > > On Friday 27 June 2008 14:24, vineeth.chandran at gmail.com wrote: > >> you need to set the root password first > >> > >> One of the way is to login to the machine in single user mode and change > >> the root password. > > > > Easier ... sudo passwd root > Why not just use sudo command: Sure.. Use it all the time. It's just that there are times *I* need to be root to get things done and and sudo just doesn't get it. I've been hacking Unix since the mid 80's and Linux since 0.12 (early 1990's). I understand the risks. -- Jerry Gaiser in North Plains, Oregon USA - 45.6933N 123.0418W “Probably one of the most private things in the world is an egg until it is broken.” M.F.K. Fisher From john.j35 at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 05:29:58 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:29:58 -0500 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <200806272224.39621.jerryg@gaiser.org> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200806272105.55306.jerryg@gaiser.org> <200806272224.39621.jerryg@gaiser.org> Message-ID: > Sure.. Use it all the time. It's just that there are times *I* need to be root > to get things done and and sudo just doesn't get it. > > I've been hacking Unix since the mid 80's and Linux since 0.12 (early 1990's). > I understand the risks. > Then just enable the root account and set a password, then you can su - all you want. On my machine, the one I use all the time, I enabled the root account. On the other machines in the house I have left it disabled. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Sat Jun 28 10:28:45 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul Kaplan) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:28:45 -0400 Subject: kde4 and dual head Message-ID: <200806280628.45875.pkaplan1@comcast.net> I've read that kde4.1 doesn't play well with dual head setups. I use a Thinkpad with Intel 915 video and a Sony X95 monitor. When running kde 3.5.9, xrandr works very well to create a virtual desktop spanning both monitors and I can orient the two monitors any way I want (top/bottom left/right). (However, I did have to create a monitor section manually rather than use the kubuntu configuration tools.) The xorg file works w/ either Gutsy or Hardy. When I first tried 4.1 (beta 1) on this config I got a sort of hybrid dualhead. There was a single large virtual "desktop" and I could move the mouse across both screens. Once opened, windows could be placed anywhere on the virtual desktop. Plasma panels were rendered across the bottom of the external screen, but could only be moved around the external screen. However the upper left 1024x768 pixels on the external monitor was the only area where right-clicking worked and the only place where wall papers were rendered. When I first upgraded to beta 2 (approx 24 hours after the debs appeared in the repo), I thought everything was solved. I appeared to have a full virtual desktop with rendered wall paper. It was completely live and the panels could be rendered on either screen on any edge. Since, then, however, there has been a partial regression. The panels can still be rendered appropriately but the active area of the desktop is again restricted to 1024x768 pixels on the external monitor only. Has anyone else noted this? Could one of the packagers examine the changes between Wednesday and Friday to see if there is a smoking gun? Thanks, Paul From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 14:56:26 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:56:26 +0300 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200806272105.55306.jerryg@gaiser.org> <200806272224.39621.jerryg@gaiser.org> Message-ID: <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/28 John Pierce : > > Sure.. Use it all the time. It's just that there are times *I* need to be > root > > to get things done and and sudo just doesn't get it. > > > > I've been hacking Unix since the mid 80's and Linux since 0.12 (early > 1990's). > > I understand the risks. > > > Then just enable the root account and set a password, then you can su > - all you want. > > On my machine, the one I use all the time, I enabled the root account. > On the other machines in > the house I have left it disabled. > > it is a much better practice to use the no root approach, i personally never felt i need the root account, sudo does it all for me, and in the very rare cases i need to do many things with root access, i simply "sudo su", all the system would still be using my privileges and rights, only this shell is running as root. and in anyways, we are using kubuntu, and one of the main points that distinguish *buntu from the rest of the distros is the "no root" approach, it can be frustrating for people coming from other distros but thats the *buntu way! -- Woody Allen - "I am not afraid of death, I just don't want to be there when it happens." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel at rmk.co.il Sat Jun 28 15:57:03 2008 From: nigel at rmk.co.il (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:57:03 +0300 Subject: controlling touchpad in hardy? In-Reply-To: <4865698B.3000802@gmail.com> References: <4865698B.3000802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48665F4F.2060908@rmk.co.il> D. R. Evans wrote: > Under gutsy, my laptop had a thing in the system tray that would allow me > to configure the touchpad so that tapping it was not interpreted as a mouse > click (I had to reconfigure it every time, though, but at least it was > possible). > > I did an upgrade to hardy, and that program isn't there any more. And going > to system settings doesn't seem to give me any options that affect the > touchpad. Does anyone know what I need to do regain some control over my > touchpad? It's driving me crazy: the laptop keeps thinking I'm clicking the > mouse when I'm just trying to move it. > > Doc > It's gone the way of the Monty Python Norwegian Blue [parrot]. http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/ But there is a new development - called TouchFreeze - at version 0.2 Blessings, Nigel -- PrayingForIsrael.net http://www.prayingforisrael.net/ From john.j35 at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 17:01:47 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:01:47 -0500 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200806272105.55306.jerryg@gaiser.org> <200806272224.39621.jerryg@gaiser.org> <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/6/28 John Pierce : >> >> > Sure.. Use it all the time. It's just that there are times *I* need to >> > be root >> > to get things done and and sudo just doesn't get it. >> > >> > I've been hacking Unix since the mid 80's and Linux since 0.12 (early >> > 1990's). >> > I understand the risks. >> > >> Then just enable the root account and set a password, then you can su >> - all you want. >> >> On my machine, the one I use all the time, I enabled the root account. >> On the other machines in >> the house I have left it disabled. >> > it is a much better practice to use the no root approach, i personally never > felt i need the root account, sudo does it all for me, and in the very rare > cases i need to do many things with root access, i simply "sudo su", all the > system would still be using my privileges and rights, only this shell is > running as root. > and in anyways, we are using kubuntu, and one of the main points that > distinguish *buntu from the rest of the distros is the "no root" approach, > it can be frustrating for people coming from other distros but thats the > *buntu way! > > -- I rarely log in as root, and when I do it is only in a shell or ctrl alt f? on a tty. It took me a little while to get used to the sudo way, I have been using redhat for years. It was the first distro I used, back in 1997 when I downloaded 4.2 and did an rpm install. I was hooked from that moment, we have been a linux house since then. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From gregg at maths.uwa.edu.au Sat Jun 28 17:01:45 2008 From: gregg at maths.uwa.edu.au (Greg Gamble) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:01:45 +0800 Subject: lost usb/dvd on gutsy->hardy upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <20080627163829.GA4785@abutilon> <200806271403.50519.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <20080627182819.GA4845@abutilon> Message-ID: <20080628170145.GA11389@abutilon> Thanks Jonas, Pablo and James I answer all your queries and give the outputs of your suggestions below. Is it better to do this in the one email like this? ... or answer each suggestion/query by reply to each email? Anyway, thanks ... I feel I'm moving forward a little. On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:50:06PM +0200, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/6/27 Greg Gamble : > > Thanks for the reply Pablo, > > > > $ lsmod | grep usb > > usb_storage 82496 0 > > libusual 23520 1 usb_storage > > usbhid 35296 0 > > hid 44992 1 usbhid > > usbcore 169904 6 usb_storage,libusual,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd > > scsi_mod 178488 5 usb_storage,sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata > > > > $ lsmod | grep cdrom > > cdrom 41512 1 sr_mod > > > > Hi Greg! > > You say you lost USB but exactly what is it that dont work for you? Sorry Jonas, I guess just about everything uses a USB port these days ... I meant the USB ports for my jump/thumb/flash drive. > It looks like it has detected and loaded the drivers for your USB. To > see what USB devices you have connected you can run the lsusb command > from a console. Ok... that gives: $ lsusb Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0461:4d15 Primax Electronics, Ltd Bus 002 Device 002: ID 413c:2003 Dell Computer Corp. Keyboard Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 005: ID 05dc:a410 Lexar Media, Inc. JumpDrive 128MB/256MB Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 > The DVD problem can be related to the bug > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/223534 i reported after my upgrade to > Hardy but without more info it's hard to know. There is a fix in the > bug report you could try in that case. Ok ... I removed the file (I took a copy and put in my home directory where the system wouldn't find it) and rebooted ... but it regenerated the file exactly the same and I still can't see either the dvd or jump drive mounted under /media when I insert a DVD or the jump drive ... but given the correct info of the lsusb command, I'm supposing that's because the hardy upgrade has screwed up the /dev symlinks, which is why you were asking for those. > Can you give us the output from > this command: > ls -l /dev/s[cd]* > ls -l /dev/cd* > ls -l /dev/dvd* $ ls -l /dev/s[cd]* brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/scd0 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 1 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 2 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda2 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 5 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda5 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 2008-06-29 00:18 /dev/sdb brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 17 2008-06-29 00:18 /dev/sdb1 $ ls -l /dev/cd* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/cdrom -> scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/cdrw -> scd0 $ ls -l /dev/dvd* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/dvd -> scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/dvdrw -> scd0 On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:53:09PM +0100, James Tappin wrote: > The other thing that may be worth doing is running: > tail -f /var/log/messages > in a terminal and watching to see if any messages are generated when you > plug in device. Doing this, I see when I insert the jump drive: Jun 29 00:36:05 banksia kernel: [ 899.220250] usb 1-10: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 Jun 29 00:36:05 banksia kernel: [ 899.278488] usb 1-10: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Jun 29 00:36:05 banksia kernel: [ 899.278712] scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.451016] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access LEXAR JUMPDRIVE 1000 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.452389] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 252928 512-byte hardware sectors (129 MB) Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.452766] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.454062] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 252928 512-byte hardware sectors (129 MB) Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.454388] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.454396] sdb: sdb1 Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.479620] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.479656] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 When I insert a DVD it spins up and after a while gives the message in /var/log/messages: Jun 29 00:38:56 banksia syslogd 1.5.0#1ubuntu1: restart. On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:18:41PM -0300, Pablo L. Berdaguer wrote: > Do as Jonas sais, and if you have a /dev/cdrom file (or something like that) > put a data cd in you cd drive and try: > sudo mount /dev/cdrom -t iso9660 /mnt/cd > replaceing: > /dev/cdrom with whatever you found that sounded like a cdrom > /mnt/cd with any empty directory you have... the files in your cd should > appair there. I did: $ sudo mount /dev/cdrom -t iso9660 /mnt mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only $ ls /mnt bu-boot-2-2-9.tgz ... Suffice it to say that worked ok. So I can at least read DVDs that way if necessary. So what should the symlinks be to make my DVD and jump drive appear under /media as they used to with gutsy? Thanks again for all the help so far. Regards, Greg Gamble From turgon at mike-leone.com Sat Jun 28 21:14:42 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:14:42 -0400 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200806272105.55306.jerryg@gaiser.org> <200806272224.39621.jerryg@gaiser.org> <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Willy Hamra wrote: >> On my machine, the one I use all the time, I enabled the root account. I enabled mine, too. It's how I like to do things. > and in anyways, we are using kubuntu, and one of the main points that > distinguish *buntu from the rest of the distros is the "no root" approach, > it can be frustrating for people coming from other distros but thats the > *buntu way! You don't have to agree with each and every aspect of a distro to use it. :-) -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From rscrawford at mossroot.com Sat Jun 28 21:53:57 2008 From: rscrawford at mossroot.com (Richard S. Crawford) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:53:57 -0700 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806281453.57731.rscrawford@mossroot.com> On Saturday 28 June 2008 14:14:42 Michael Leone wrote: > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Willy Hamra wrote: > >> On my machine, the one I use all the time, I enabled the root account. > > I enabled mine, too. It's how I like to do things. > > > and in anyways, we are using kubuntu, and one of the main points that > > distinguish *buntu from the rest of the distros is the "no root" > > approach, it can be frustrating for people coming from other distros but > > thats the *buntu way! > > You don't have to agree with each and every aspect of a distro to use it. > :-) I was a die hard Red Hat/Fedora man until Kubuntu 5.04. I'm not sure why I switched (I think it was because RH/F's support of KDE was grudging at best at the time, and I really prefer KDE over GNOME), but the no-root thing did initially turn me off. I've gotten used to it, and I don't think I've actually missed it since switching. I find that every root-level command I've needed to do I could do with sudo; occasionally I would drop into an interactive sudo shell with sudo -i, but I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to do that. For work I administer a webserver which runs CentOS. I've gotten to the point, seriously, where I almost find it more annoying to have to run "su -" to drop into root rather than sudo when I need to execute a root level command. I think it's all a matter of personal preferences. I've worked with both models and I prefer Kubuntu's no-root approach at this point. But that's just me. YMMV. And that's the joy of Linux anyway: the freedom of choice. -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford Editor-in-chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com) Personal website: http://www.mossroot.com From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 22:03:49 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:03:49 +0200 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <200806281453.57731.rscrawford@mossroot.com> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200806281453.57731.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: <200806290003.49316.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Am Samstag, 28. Juni 2008 23:53:57 schrieb Richard S. Crawford: > I find that every root-level command I've > needed to do I could do with sudo; occasionally I would drop into an > interactive sudo shell with sudo -i, but I can count on one hand the number > of times I've had to do that. <> It's a good alternative for using a root password. By the way: does anybody know how to disable a root password, once it has been enabled? (i.e. work the other way round, to not have a root password when one has it) -- Groet, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø We'll never know wat the road before us looks like, until we go . . . ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø OS: Kubuntu 7.10 (Linux). Web: de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net Sat Jun 28 22:38:05 2008 From: mgb-ubuntu at yosemite.net (Mike Bird) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:38:05 -0700 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <200806290003.49316.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200806281453.57731.rscrawford@mossroot.com> <200806290003.49316.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <200806281538.05141.mgb-ubuntu@yosemite.net> On Sat June 28 2008 15:03:49 Ulrich Grün wrote: > Am Samstag, 28. Juni 2008 23:53:57 schrieb Richard S. Crawford: > > I find that every root-level command I've > > needed to do I could do with sudo; occasionally I would drop into an > > interactive sudo shell with sudo -i, but I can count on one hand the > > number of times I've had to do that. > > <> It's a good alternative for using a root password. > By the way: does anybody know how to disable a root password, once it has > been enabled? (i.e. work the other way round, to not have a root password > when one has it) Use "passwd -d" permanently, or "passwd -l" temporarily. "-u" reverses "-l". --Mike Bird From ignazio_io at yahoo.it Sat Jun 28 22:41:47 2008 From: ignazio_io at yahoo.it (Ignazio Palmisano) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:41:47 +0100 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <200806290003.49316.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200806281453.57731.rscrawford@mossroot.com> <200806290003.49316.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4866BE2B.6090009@yahoo.it> Ulrich Grün wrote: > Am Samstag, 28. Juni 2008 23:53:57 schrieb Richard S. Crawford: >> I find that every root-level command I've >> needed to do I could do with sudo; occasionally I would drop into an >> interactive sudo shell with sudo -i, but I can count on one hand the number >> of times I've had to do that. > > <> It's a good alternative for using a root password. > By the way: does anybody know how to disable a root password, once it has been > enabled? (i.e. work the other way round, to not have a root password when one > has it) > Not sure, but since in order to make the root password = "" you go into a file and delete every char (I believe the name of the file is /etc/shadowsomething ?), you could go there and type any char in the same place; it's an encrypted file, so a clear password would correspond to a password impossible to type :) This page suggests a method similar to this, plus more: http://linuxgazette.net/issue32/tag_accounts.html HTH, I. From john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org Sun Jun 29 04:51:47 2008 From: john-ubuntu at fjellstad.org (John L Fjellstad) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:51:47 +0200 Subject: root password References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> <200806281453.57731.rscrawford@mossroot.com> Message-ID: <8763rsrggs.fsf@fjellstad.org> "Richard S. Crawford" writes: > For work I administer a webserver which runs CentOS. I've gotten to > the point, seriously, where I almost find it more annoying to have to > run "su -" to drop into root rather than sudo when I need to execute a > root level command. You can install sudo on your CentOS too. sudo is pretty much the first or second thing I install when I setup a new server -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes From pubmb.bco at pt.lu Sun Jun 29 10:20:22 2008 From: pubmb.bco at pt.lu (Bruno Costacurta) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:20:22 +0200 Subject: exim4 : how to send email to local domain + address ? Message-ID: <200806291220.22523.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> Hello, how to send email to a local mailbox ? My config in file email-addresses is : bruno: myemail at pt.lu root: myemail at pt.lu which works fine to email to external email address but not for local, ie. from bruno to root as I received    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----     (reason: 550 Host unknown) I suppose I should indicate pc34ghz.org as local domaon not to be send to my ISP smtp server (which is the reason of errror as my local domain is of course not known) but how ? Thanks. Bye, Bruno From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sun Jun 29 10:36:29 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:36:29 +0100 Subject: exim4 : how to send email to local domain + address ? In-Reply-To: <200806291220.22523.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> References: <200806291220.22523.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> Message-ID: <200806291136.29853.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Sunday 29 Jun 2008, Bruno Costacurta wrote: > Hello, > how to send email to a local mailbox ? > > My config in file email-addresses is : > > bruno: myemail at pt.lu > root: myemail at pt.lu > > which works fine to email to external email address > but not for local, ie. from bruno to root as I received >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > >     (reason: 550 Host unknown) > > I suppose I should indicate pc34ghz.org as local domaon not to be send to my > ISP smtp server (which is the reason of errror as my local domain is of > course not known) but how ? > I think it might be the same problem as I had when I was just using a single machine. Installing postfix, telling it to set up as a single isolated machine, or whatever the option is, allowed me to get kmail to deliver mail locally on the same machine. The reason I was doing this, was to pass on email to my son and wife, which all arrives from the same mail box at One and One. I've now got a little mini-ITX machine as a server which sorts everything into individual mail boxes and runs dovecot to allow collection. AFAICT, kubuntu does not install any MTA by default. Of course you then have your choice, but personally I'd recommend using postfix. Even I managed to configure it on my server as a relay to an authenticated SMTP service, so it must be reasonably easy :-) Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From pubmb.bco at pt.lu Sun Jun 29 10:38:12 2008 From: pubmb.bco at pt.lu (Bruno Costacurta) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:38:12 +0200 Subject: exim4 : how to send email to local domain + address ? In-Reply-To: <200806291220.22523.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> References: <200806291220.22523.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> Message-ID: <200806291238.13053.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> On Sunday 29 June 2008 12:20:22 Bruno Costacurta wrote: > Hello, > how to send email to a local mailbox ? > > My config in file email-addresses is : > > bruno: myemail at pt.lu > root: myemail at pt.lu > > which works fine to email to external email address > but not for local, ie. from bruno to root as I received >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > >     (reason: 550 Host unknown) > > I suppose I should indicate pc34ghz.org as local domaon not to be send to > my ISP smtp server (which is the reason of errror as my local domain is of > course not known) but how ? > > Thanks. > Bye, > Bruno I forgot to indicate the syntax for test. As user bruno: mail -s "test message" root test ^D Cc: which I expected to receive in the local mailbox 'root' but not sent to my ISP smtp server which is then logically bounced back with 550 host unknow error becasue local domain is unknown. Thanks for any help. Bruno From pubmb.bco at pt.lu Sun Jun 29 13:43:09 2008 From: pubmb.bco at pt.lu (Bruno Costacurta) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:43:09 +0200 Subject: exim4 : how to send email to local domain + address ? In-Reply-To: <200806291136.29853.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> References: <200806291220.22523.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> <200806291136.29853.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200806291543.09252.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> On Sunday 29 June 2008 12:36:29 David Fletcher wrote: > On Sunday 29 Jun 2008, Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > Hello, > > how to send email to a local mailbox ? > > > > My config in file email-addresses is : > > > > bruno: myemail at pt.lu > > root: myemail at pt.lu > > > > which works fine to email to external email address > > but not for local, ie. from bruno to root as I received > >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > >     (reason: 550 Host unknown) > > > > I suppose I should indicate pc34ghz.org as local domaon not to be send to > > my ISP smtp server (which is the reason of errror as my local domain is > > of course not known) but how ? > > I think it might be the same problem as I had when I was just using a > single machine. Installing postfix, telling it to set up as a single > isolated machine, or whatever the option is, allowed me to get kmail to > deliver mail locally on the same machine. > > The reason I was doing this, was to pass on email to my son and wife, which > all arrives from the same mail box at One and One. I've now got a little > mini-ITX machine as a server which sorts everything into individual mail > boxes and runs dovecot to allow collection. > > AFAICT, kubuntu does not install any MTA by default. Of course you then > have your choice, but personally I'd recommend using postfix. Even I > managed to configure it on my server as a relay to an authenticated SMTP > service, so it must be reasonably easy :-) > > Dave > > > > -- > Registered Linux user number 393408 > > I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 > For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: > http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 Thanks for follow up. I installed Postfix and indeed works for localdomain delivery, but now no more for external. So: (1) 'mail -s 'test' root at localhost.localdomain' = OK (2) 'mail -s 'test' __external__email at gmail.com' = Not ok... in (2) I need to rewrite the domain to be accepted by my ISP smtp server someting like 'bruno at localhost.localdomain' replaced by 'xxx at my_isp.com' In exim4 I have email-addresse config file bruno=xxx at my_isp.com how to do with Postfix ? Thanks. Bye, Bruno Who do you accept both local / external ? From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sun Jun 29 14:29:37 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:29:37 +0100 Subject: exim4 : how to send email to local domain + address ? In-Reply-To: <200806291543.09252.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> References: <200806291220.22523.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> <200806291136.29853.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> <200806291543.09252.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> Message-ID: <200806291529.37463.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Sunday 29 Jun 2008, Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > Thanks for follow up. > I installed Postfix and indeed works for localdomain delivery, but now no more > for external. So: > > (1) 'mail -s 'test' root at localhost.localdomain' = OK > (2) 'mail -s 'test' __external__email at gmail.com' = Not ok... > > in (2) I need to rewrite the domain to be accepted by my ISP smtp server > someting like 'bruno at localhost.localdomain' replaced by 'xxx at my_isp.com' > > In exim4 I have email-addresse config file > bruno=xxx at my_isp.com > how to do with Postfix ? > > Thanks. > Bye, > Bruno > > Who do you accept both local / external ? > Here is the how-to that I used to set up my own postfix configuration:- http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/smtp_auth_mailservers.html This is reasonably easy to do with postfix, but I could never find out how to get it to work with sendmail. Bear in mind that I'm doing it differently to you - I've got a small machine that runs 24/7 on ubuntu server with user accounts for collecting email etc. We use this machine to relay outgoing email so that only the one configuration needs to be set up to access my authenticated SMTP box at One and One. I just tested what you are trying to do by sending mail using kmail with just the user ID of the recipient on the server, no '@' character or domain name. In the sent mail directory, I can see that kmail appears to have changed userid to userid at localhost.localdomain, and the test message has arrived in the correct mail box. If you now want to use postfix to relay email outside, it might be best to start again, which was what I found to be the easiest way. Remove postfix, delete the configuration files it created from /etc/, and have another go. If I remember correctly, removing the configuration files will get the postfix installation to give you the choice of basic configurations again. Choose the one for sending email out but NOT receiving email directly from the Internet. For that you need a fixed IP address, mx records etc and that's territory I've not so far explored. It won't work on a normal home user's ISP account. Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From d.mcglone at att.net Sun Jun 29 15:06:20 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (david) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:06:20 -0400 Subject: exim4 : how to send email to local domain + address ? In-Reply-To: <200806291238.13053.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> References: <200806291220.22523.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> <200806291238.13053.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> Message-ID: <200806291106.20268.d.mcglone@att.net> On Sunday 29 June 2008 6:38:12 am Bruno Costacurta wrote: > On Sunday 29 June 2008 12:20:22 Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > Hello, > > how to send email to a local mailbox ? > > > > My config in file email-addresses is : > > > > bruno: myemail at pt.lu > > root: myemail at pt.lu > > > > which works fine to email to external email address > > but not for local, ie. from bruno to root as I received > >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > >     (reason: 550 Host unknown) > > > > I suppose I should indicate pc34ghz.org as local domaon not to be send to > > my ISP smtp server (which is the reason of errror as my local domain is > > of course not known) but how ? > > > > Thanks. > > Bye, > > Bruno > > I forgot to indicate the syntax for test. > As user bruno: > > mail -s "test message" root > test > ^D > Cc: > > which I expected to receive in the local mailbox 'root' but not sent to my > ISP smtp server which is then logically bounced back with 550 host unknow > error becasue local domain is unknown. > > Thanks for any help. > Bruno Sounds like your trying to send mail out through your ISP and back and the reason it's bouncing is because your ISP does not know where to send the mail. If this is the case, all you should need to do is set up a transport in kmail using sendmail and only use it to send local mail. -- David M. From pr144 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 16:26:04 2008 From: pr144 at yahoo.com (Peter O'Reilly) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kubunti vs Ubuntu as a web/mail server? Message-ID: <17482.41231.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I tried installing Ubuntu and it failed when getting the DHCP ip address, also there was no GUI installed so I couldn't install KDE because I had no net connection. I am going to install Kubuntu. Can Kubuntu be used as a web/mail server or would I be better off trying to resolve the DHCP issue and install Ubuntu? thank, peter From k7qo at commspeed.net Sun Jun 29 16:40:07 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (chuck adams) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:40:07 -0700 Subject: psmerge bloat Message-ID: <200806290940.07928.k7qo@commspeed.net> Thought that someone in this group would have an answer for this question. Have a 186 page book scanned into .ps format. Directory of the files occupies 540MB. When I merge the files into one using psmerge -ooutfile *.ps the resulting file is 819MB. Why the bloat? Any way to do this with less fluff? TIA Chuck From kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net Sun Jun 29 17:04:16 2008 From: kubuntu-users at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:04:16 +0100 Subject: Kubunti vs Ubuntu as a web/mail server? In-Reply-To: <17482.41231.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <17482.41231.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200806291804.17021.kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net> On Sunday 29 Jun 2008, Peter O'Reilly wrote: > I tried installing Ubuntu and it failed when getting the DHCP ip address, also there was no GUI installed so I couldn't install KDE because I had no net connection. > > I am going to install Kubuntu. Can Kubuntu be used as a web/mail server or would I be better off trying to resolve the DHCP issue and install Ubuntu? > I thought that was the purpose of the Ubuntu Server distribution? You can also install a server from the alternate CD, which is good for older hardware that sometimes won't boot after installing from the normal server CD, in my experience. Dave -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From doug at curreycentral.com Sun Jun 29 17:29:00 2008 From: doug at curreycentral.com (Doug Currey) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Kubunti vs Ubuntu as a web/mail server? In-Reply-To: <17482.41231.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <17482.41231.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <677382636d6a52a61390aaf597f6cad8.squirrel@webmail.curreycentral.com> Yes you can use Kubuntu for a mail server. I have setup postfix, dovecot, squirrelmail, clamav, procmail, and spamassassin. On an old P4 with something like 320 megs memory. Spamassassin/clamav drags it down but its for my personal learning experience only. > I tried installing Ubuntu and it failed when getting the DHCP ip address, > also there was no GUI installed so I couldn't install KDE because I had no > net connection. > > I am going to install Kubuntu. Can Kubuntu be used as a web/mail server > or would I be better off trying to resolve the DHCP issue and install > Ubuntu? > > thank, > peter From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Jun 29 17:38:20 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:38:20 -0400 Subject: Kubunti vs Ubuntu as a web/mail server? In-Reply-To: <677382636d6a52a61390aaf597f6cad8.squirrel@webmail.curreycentral.com> References: <17482.41231.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <677382636d6a52a61390aaf597f6cad8.squirrel@webmail.curreycentral.com> Message-ID: I used to run postfix, amavisd-new, spamassassin, clamav on a P3, 512M RAM machine for 60 users, using regular Debian testing. Servers (usually) don't need GUIs, you do what you need to do from CLI, usually. This leaves out all the overhead that a GUI requires, and so you can do more on less hardware. On 6/29/08, Doug Currey wrote: > Yes you can use Kubuntu for a mail server. I have setup postfix, dovecot, > squirrelmail, clamav, procmail, and spamassassin. On an old P4 with > something like 320 megs memory. Spamassassin/clamav drags it down but its > for my personal learning experience only. > >> I tried installing Ubuntu and it failed when getting the DHCP ip address, >> also there was no GUI installed so I couldn't install KDE because I had no >> net connection. >> >> I am going to install Kubuntu. Can Kubuntu be used as a web/mail server >> or would I be better off trying to resolve the DHCP issue and install >> Ubuntu? >> >> thank, >> peter > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Michael J. Leone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: Life is a tragedy for those who feel, a comedy for those who think, and a cereal for those who are hungry ... From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 19:51:20 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:51:20 +0300 Subject: Firefox on KDE4: ugly and will stay ugly (with screenshot) Message-ID: <880dece00806291251s39b3e142o9f4056d4e0d9154e@mail.gmail.com> If you don't want Firefox to look like this on KDE4: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15664558/firefox.png Then comment on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/243733 Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From mlsoft at videotron.ca Sun Jun 29 19:52:54 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:52:54 -0400 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806291552.54688.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Saturday 28 June 2008 10:56:26 Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/6/28 John Pierce : > > > > Sure.. Use it all the time. It's just that there are times *I* need to be > > root > > > to get things done and and sudo just doesn't get it. > > > > > > I've been hacking Unix since the mid 80's and Linux since 0.12 (early > > 1990's). > > > I understand the risks. > > > > > Then just enable the root account and set a password, then you can su > > - all you want. > > > > On my machine, the one I use all the time, I enabled the root account. > > On the other machines in > > the house I have left it disabled. > > > > it is a much better practice to use the no root approach, i personally > never felt i need the root account, sudo does it all for me, and in the very > rare cases i need to do many things with root access, i simply "sudo su", > all the system would still be using my privileges and rights, only this > shell is running as root. > and in anyways, we are using kubuntu, and one of the main points that > distinguish *buntu from the rest of the distros is the "no root" approach, > it can be frustrating for people coming from other distros but thats the > *buntu way! > What if your /home directory is mounted on another disk, and unfortunately you can't start this disk. (for wathever reason, ex: fsck, fail, ...) Then you can't log in your account in text or X mode. You NEED root then. (no root passwd and you cant even repair your filesystems) Or you are stuck to an external ressource to access your disk. (ex: live-cd, ...) Yes you can USE a system without setting a passwd for root, But when life happens, it is not always like it was supposed to be... And you can set another different passwd for root than your personal account. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Jun 29 20:11:08 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:11:08 -0400 Subject: Firefox on KDE4: ugly and will stay ugly (with screenshot) In-Reply-To: <880dece00806291251s39b3e142o9f4056d4e0d9154e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806291251s39b3e142o9f4056d4e0d9154e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > If you don't want Firefox to look like this on KDE4: > http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15664558/firefox.png > > Then comment on this bug: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/243733 Outside of the fact that it's dull and ugly (altho I'm sure others love it, as it's not cluttered and flashy), how is that a "bug"? Can't you just go download a new theme? -- Michael J. Leone, PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: I couldn't understand your attitude. I only wanted to take a photograph of you, But I was shocked when I heard what you had to say. You picked up my camera, threw it away, I didn't really mean to ruin your day. -- "Heart of Gold", the Kinks From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 20:34:27 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:34:27 +0300 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <200806291552.54688.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> <200806291552.54688.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <4867F1D3.9040609@gmail.com> Martin Laberge wrote: > On Saturday 28 June 2008 10:56:26 Willy Hamra wrote: >> 2008/6/28 John Pierce : >> >>>> Sure.. Use it all the time. It's just that there are times *I* need to be >>> root >>>> to get things done and and sudo just doesn't get it. >>>> >>>> I've been hacking Unix since the mid 80's and Linux since 0.12 (early >>> 1990's). >>>> I understand the risks. >>>> >>> Then just enable the root account and set a password, then you can su >>> - all you want. >>> >>> On my machine, the one I use all the time, I enabled the root account. >>> On the other machines in >>> the house I have left it disabled. >>> >>> it is a much better practice to use the no root approach, i personally >> never felt i need the root account, sudo does it all for me, and in the very >> rare cases i need to do many things with root access, i simply "sudo su", >> all the system would still be using my privileges and rights, only this >> shell is running as root. >> and in anyways, we are using kubuntu, and one of the main points that >> distinguish *buntu from the rest of the distros is the "no root" approach, >> it can be frustrating for people coming from other distros but thats the >> *buntu way! >> > > What if your /home directory is mounted on another disk, > and unfortunately you can't start this disk. (for wathever reason, ex: fsck, fail, ...) > > Then you can't log in your account in text or X mode. > > You NEED root then. (no root passwd and you cant even repair your filesystems) > > Or you are stuck to an external ressource to access your disk. (ex: live-cd, ...) > > Yes you can USE a system without setting a passwd for root, > But when life happens, it is not always like it was supposed to be... > > And you can set another different passwd for root than your personal account. > the users aren't stored in /home, they are in /etc, if i'm not mistaken, it would let you sign in, then complain about a missing home directory, and chooses / as your root, at least, this is what happenned with me when i built my first "linux from scratch" system, and idiotically forgot to create a /home/user directory :P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any chance we will get an option to turn off a lot of the kde 4 desktop flash and just use the new apps for their improved functionality? And will we still be able to use Konqueror as a file manager, with all of the different views, the service menus, the ability to mange files from an ftp site as if they were on a local network with tabs and drag and drop, the audiocd:/ functionality, smb:/ and fonts:/, etc.? I have removed dolphin from my current KDE 3.9 system. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 20:40:04 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:40:04 +0300 Subject: Playing MMS video, where's the bug? Message-ID: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> Is there a bug filed in the [k]ubuntu bugtracker (launchpad) regarding MMS video playback? I thought there would be one, but I could not find it and I don't want to post a dupe. This video does not play in Firefox: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126500 However, I can copy the url and paste it into VLC to play the video, so it is an issue of configuration. Should I file it? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 20:42:04 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:42:04 +0300 Subject: Firefox on KDE4: ugly and will stay ugly (with screenshot) In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806291251s39b3e142o9f4056d4e0d9154e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806291342o561ff687peee2a5f1bb5426f3@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/29 Michael Leone : > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> If you don't want Firefox to look like this on KDE4: >> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15664558/firefox.png >> >> Then comment on this bug: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/243733 > > Outside of the fact that it's dull and ugly (altho I'm sure others > love it, as it's not cluttered and flashy), how is that a "bug"? Can't > you just go download a new theme? > One could go and download a new theme, but that should not be necessary. Actually, this theme _is_ cluttered and edgy. It is obviously out of place, and other GTK apps (notably Open Office) do not suffer from that. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 20:42:51 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:42:51 +0300 Subject: Firefox on KDE4: ugly and will stay ugly (with screenshot) In-Reply-To: <200806291638.55146.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200806291638.55146.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806291342x6eefa3aavfc263e58158ba628@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/29 Art Alexion : > On Sunday 29 June 2008 16:11:08 Michael Leone wrote: >> Outside of the fact that it's dull and ugly (altho I'm sure others >> love it, as it's not cluttered and flashy), how is that a "bug"? > > Most of my favorite apps are KDE, and I look forward to the KDE 4 versions. > But I am one of those people who don't like cluttered and flashy. WinXP had > the option to use a "classic", Win2k-like interface. Any chance we will get > an option to turn off a lot of the kde 4 desktop flash and just use the new > apps for their improved functionality? And will we still be able to use > Konqueror as a file manager, with all of the different views, the service > menus, the ability to mange files from an ftp site as if they were on a local > network with tabs and drag and drop, the audiocd:/ functionality, smb:/ and > fonts:/, etc.? I have removed dolphin from my current KDE 3.9 system. > Please don't highjack the thread. Start a new thread with those questions (and I'll answer them there). Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From mlsoft at videotron.ca Sun Jun 29 20:47:09 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:47:09 -0400 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <4867F1D3.9040609@gmail.com> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200806291552.54688.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <4867F1D3.9040609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806291647.09734.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Sunday 29 June 2008 16:34:27 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Martin Laberge wrote: > > On Saturday 28 June 2008 10:56:26 Willy Hamra wrote: > >> 2008/6/28 John Pierce : > >> > >>>> Sure.. Use it all the time. It's just that there are times *I* need to be > >>> root > >>>> to get things done and and sudo just doesn't get it. > >>>> > >>>> I've been hacking Unix since the mid 80's and Linux since 0.12 (early > >>> 1990's). > >>>> I understand the risks. > >>>> > >>> Then just enable the root account and set a password, then you can su > >>> - all you want. > >>> > >>> On my machine, the one I use all the time, I enabled the root account. > >>> On the other machines in > >>> the house I have left it disabled. > >>> > >>> it is a much better practice to use the no root approach, i personally > >> never felt i need the root account, sudo does it all for me, and in the very > >> rare cases i need to do many things with root access, i simply "sudo su", > >> all the system would still be using my privileges and rights, only this > >> shell is running as root. > >> and in anyways, we are using kubuntu, and one of the main points that > >> distinguish *buntu from the rest of the distros is the "no root" approach, > >> it can be frustrating for people coming from other distros but thats the > >> *buntu way! > >> > > > > What if your /home directory is mounted on another disk, > > and unfortunately you can't start this disk. (for wathever reason, ex: fsck, fail, ...) > > > > Then you can't log in your account in text or X mode. > > > > You NEED root then. (no root passwd and you cant even repair your filesystems) > > > > Or you are stuck to an external ressource to access your disk. (ex: live-cd, ...) > > > > Yes you can USE a system without setting a passwd for root, > > But when life happens, it is not always like it was supposed to be... > > > > And you can set another different passwd for root than your personal account. > > > the users aren't stored in /home, they are in /etc, if i'm not mistaken, > it would let you sign in, then complain about a missing home directory, > and chooses / as your root, at least, this is what happenned with me > when i built my first "linux from scratch" system, and idiotically > forgot to create a /home/user directory :P > You are right. I just tested it to be sure, and it logs me in / But when the system cant boot and stop in admin mode, it asks for the ROOT passwd. I believe it is the kernel or the init task who ask for the ROOT passwd at this moment. As follows: Root filesystem mounted read only. Please enter the root password to enter admin mode or press Ctrl-D to continue : This happened to me once, and I install a password for root from this time on. -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 20:48:30 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:48:30 +0300 Subject: Firefox on KDE4: ugly and will stay ugly (with screenshot) In-Reply-To: <880dece00806291342o561ff687peee2a5f1bb5426f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806291251s39b3e142o9f4056d4e0d9154e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806291342o561ff687peee2a5f1bb5426f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4867F51E.6040503@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/29 Michael Leone : >> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> If you don't want Firefox to look like this on KDE4: >>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15664558/firefox.png >>> >>> Then comment on this bug: >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/243733 >> Outside of the fact that it's dull and ugly (altho I'm sure others >> love it, as it's not cluttered and flashy), how is that a "bug"? Can't >> you just go download a new theme? >> > > One could go and download a new theme, but that should not be > necessary. Actually, this theme _is_ cluttered and edgy. It is > obviously out of place, and other GTK apps (notably Open Office) do > not suffer from that. > i haven't used kde4 yet, but isn't there something like the "qtcurve" package i use in kde 3.5, and set it as the style for gtk apps, which gives them a nice view. or is this a problem with firefox itself? not the handling of gtk by kde? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can't >> you just go download a new theme? >> > > One could go and download a new theme, but that should not be > necessary. Actually, this theme _is_ cluttered and edgy. It is > obviously out of place, and other GTK apps (notably Open Office) do > not suffer from that. I don't think that. It sure seems to me to be merely a matter of personal preference, and not a bug. -- Michael J. Leone, PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: I couldn't understand your attitude. I only wanted to take a photograph of you, But I was shocked when I heard what you had to say. You picked up my camera, threw it away, I didn't really mean to ruin your day. -- "Heart of Gold", the Kinks From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Jun 29 20:57:46 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:57:46 -0400 Subject: Firefox on KDE4 and thread hijacking. In-Reply-To: <880dece00806291342x6eefa3aavfc263e58158ba628@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806291638.55146.art.alexion@verizon.net> <880dece00806291342x6eefa3aavfc263e58158ba628@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806291657.46251.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 29 June 2008 16:42:51 Dotan Cohen wrote: > Please don't highjack the thread. Start a new thread with those > questions (and I'll answer them there). Thanks. I don't think it is a new thread. You posted a message related to KDE 4 looks and Firefox. Michael responded that some might prefer the current look to the KDE flash. I replied that I was one of them and hoped I could turn off the default KDE 4 looks. I'd like to make KDE 4 as a whole look more like the Firefox theme you dislike. I join you in dislike for thread hijacking; I just don't think this is an example of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Jun 29 21:05:49 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:05:49 -0400 Subject: Firefox on KDE4: ugly and will stay ugly (with screenshot) In-Reply-To: <4867F51E.6040503@gmail.com> References: <880dece00806291251s39b3e142o9f4056d4e0d9154e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806291342o561ff687peee2a5f1bb5426f3@mail.gmail.com> <4867F51E.6040503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806291705.49937.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 29 June 2008 16:48:30 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i haven't used kde4 yet, but isn't there something like the "qtcurve" > package i use in kde 3.5, and set it as the style for gtk apps, which > gives them a nice view. or is this a problem with firefox itself? not > the handling of gtk by kde? It may be the latter. When I used the package that applied the current KDE theme to GTK apps, firefox (but not OpenOffice) behaved poorly. I had to create an exception for Firefox to stop it from misbehaving. I don't know, but perhaps firefox's GTK implementation is non-standard and that is why it is different by default. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sun Jun 29 21:02:46 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:02:46 +0200 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <200806291552.54688.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <15edeae40806280756k56eed04bt63fd824dc02b2a4a@mail.gmail.com> <200806291552.54688.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200806292302.46646.kassube@gmx.net> Martin Laberge wrote: > What if your /home directory is mounted on another disk, > and unfortunately you can't start this disk. (for wathever reason, ex: > fsck, fail, ...) > > Then you can't log in your account in text or X mode. > > You NEED root then. (no root passwd and you cant even repair your > filesystems) That's what the recovery mode is good for. You boot into recovery mode and you are directly logged in as root without using a password. Nils From turgon at mike-leone.com Sun Jun 29 21:06:27 2008 From: turgon at mike-leone.com (Michael Leone) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:06:27 -0400 Subject: Firefox on KDE4: ugly and will stay ugly (with screenshot) In-Reply-To: <880dece00806291402t5dcc0ad8i8fccdd87d23b0d97@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806291251s39b3e142o9f4056d4e0d9154e@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806291342o561ff687peee2a5f1bb5426f3@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00806291402t5dcc0ad8i8fccdd87d23b0d97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/29 Michael Leone : >> I don't think that. It sure seems to me to be merely a matter of >> personal preference, and not a bug. >> > > Then it's obviously not as bad as I think that it is. Carry on. :-) Ever seen the GiMP UI? I personally find that to be brain-dead stupid and user UNfriendly. I seem to be the only one, as no one else files a bug against it. There is a "theme" to make it look like Photoshop (and it doesn't, BTW, but that's a different story). I see that as an exact parallel to FF 3 on KDE4. If you don't like the default, there's a theme to change it. Now, if it didn't *work* - you couldn't hilight text and copy it, or whatever - then that's a bug. Ugly isn't a bug, just silly UI design. :-) -- Michael J. Leone, PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: I couldn't understand your attitude. I only wanted to take a photograph of you, But I was shocked when I heard what you had to say. You picked up my camera, threw it away, I didn't really mean to ruin your day. -- "Heart of Gold", the Kinks From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 21:06:52 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:52 +0300 Subject: Firefox on KDE4 and thread hijacking. In-Reply-To: <200806291657.46251.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <200806291638.55146.art.alexion@verizon.net> <880dece00806291342x6eefa3aavfc263e58158ba628@mail.gmail.com> <200806291657.46251.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806291406i6aef99bbn919ce625c40c248a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/29 Art Alexion : > On Sunday 29 June 2008 16:42:51 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Please don't highjack the thread. Start a new thread with those >> questions (and I'll answer them there). Thanks. > > I don't think it is a new thread. You posted a message related to KDE 4 looks > and Firefox. Michael responded that some might prefer the current look to > the KDE flash. I replied that I was one of them and hoped I could turn off > the default KDE 4 looks. I'd like to make KDE 4 as a whole look more like > the Firefox theme you dislike. > > I join you in dislike for thread hijacking; I just don't think this is an > example of it. > I mentioned that it would be good to start a new thread because you asked: > Any chance we will get > an option to turn off a lot of the kde 4 desktop flash and just use the new > apps for their improved functionality? Which may be borderline relevant, but then you asked: > And will we still be able to use > Konqueror as a file manager, with all of the different views, the service > menus, the ability to mange files from an ftp site as if they were on a local > network with tabs and drag and drop, the audiocd:/ functionality, smb:/ and > fonts:/, etc.? I have removed dolphin from my current KDE 3.9 system. Which is not relevant at all! :) Maybe I'm just being oversensitive today. I didn't mean to come off as a jerk. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 21:41:09 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:41:09 +0200 Subject: lost usb/dvd on gutsy->hardy upgrade In-Reply-To: <20080628170145.GA11389@abutilon> References: <20080627163829.GA4785@abutilon> <200806271403.50519.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <20080627182819.GA4845@abutilon> <20080628170145.GA11389@abutilon> Message-ID: 2008/6/28 Greg Gamble : > Thanks Jonas, Pablo and James > > I answer all your queries and give the outputs of your suggestions > below. Is it better to do this in the one email like this? ... or > answer each suggestion/query by reply to each email? > > Anyway, thanks ... I feel I'm moving forward a little. >> Can you give us the output from >> this command: >> ls -l /dev/s[cd]* >> ls -l /dev/cd* >> ls -l /dev/dvd* > > $ ls -l /dev/s[cd]* > brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/scd0 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 1 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda1 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 2 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda2 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 5 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda5 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 2008-06-29 00:18 /dev/sdb > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 17 2008-06-29 00:18 /dev/sdb1 > > $ ls -l /dev/cd* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/cdrom -> scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/cdrw -> scd0 > > $ ls -l /dev/dvd* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/dvd -> scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/dvdrw -> scd0 Your DVD drive is recognized and all symlinks is there and pointing to your DVD device and you can mount and you can mount a CD manually. What kind of disc are you trying with? When you insert a DVD-movie/Data DVD, Data CD or Audio CD do you get the pop up dialog asking what you want to do with it? > Jun 29 00:36:05 banksia kernel: [ 899.220250] usb 1-10: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 > Jun 29 00:36:05 banksia kernel: [ 899.278488] usb 1-10: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > Jun 29 00:36:05 banksia kernel: [ 899.278712] scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.451016] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access LEXAR JUMPDRIVE 1000 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.452389] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 252928 512-byte hardware sectors (129 MB) > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.452766] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.454062] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 252928 512-byte hardware sectors (129 MB) > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.454388] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.454396] sdb: sdb1 > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.479620] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.479656] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 > It's finding your USB Jumpdrive and the partition on it and assigning it to the sdb1 device, so all looks OK besides that your system wont automount any removable media. This looks more some kind of UDEV/HAL issues. Is UDEV and HAL installed? What groups are you member of? / Jonas From mmorse757 at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 22:07:07 2008 From: mmorse757 at gmail.com (J. Michael Morse) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:07:07 -0400 Subject: Google Earth Message-ID: When I googled for GOOGLEEARTH & KUBUNTU, I found the following site: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth Is Google Earth in any repository? Or is the manual install the only option? Michael -- "Careful. We don't want to learn from this." - Calvin From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 22:07:29 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:07:29 +0200 Subject: Playing MMS video, where's the bug? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Is there a bug filed in the [k]ubuntu bugtracker (launchpad) regarding > MMS video playback? I thought there would be one, but I could not > find it and I don't want to post a dupe. > > This video does not play in Firefox: > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126500 > > However, I can copy the url and paste it into VLC to play the video, > so it is an issue of configuration. Should I file it? > > Dotan Cohen > Stupid question but did you click it? Then did you get sent to the next web page for non windows browsers? Did you get the can't play mms error? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pubmb.bco at pt.lu Sun Jun 29 22:18:46 2008 From: pubmb.bco at pt.lu (Bruno Costacurta) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:18:46 +0200 Subject: exim4 : how to send email to local domain + address ? In-Reply-To: <200806291106.20268.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <200806291220.22523.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> <200806291238.13053.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> <200806291106.20268.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200806300018.46253.pubmb.bco@pt.lu> On Sunday 29 June 2008 17:06:20 david wrote: > On Sunday 29 June 2008 6:38:12 am Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > On Sunday 29 June 2008 12:20:22 Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > > Hello, > > > how to send email to a local mailbox ? > > > > > > My config in file email-addresses is : > > > > > > bruno: myemail at pt.lu > > > root: myemail at pt.lu > > > > > > which works fine to email to external email address > > > but not for local, ie. from bruno to root as I received > > >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > > >     (reason: 550 Host unknown) > > > > > > I suppose I should indicate pc34ghz.org as local domaon not to be send > > > to my ISP smtp server (which is the reason of errror as my local domain > > > is of course not known) but how ? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Bye, > > > Bruno > > > > I forgot to indicate the syntax for test. > > As user bruno: > > > > mail -s "test message" root > > test > > ^D > > Cc: > > > > which I expected to receive in the local mailbox 'root' but not sent to > > my ISP smtp server which is then logically bounced back with 550 host > > unknow error becasue local domain is unknown. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > Bruno > > Sounds like your trying to send mail out through your ISP and back and the > reason it's bouncing is because your ISP does not know where to send the > mail. If this is the case, all you should need to do is set up a transport > in kmail using sendmail and only use it to send local mail. > > -- > David M. It works now. It seems I missed the parameter 'dc_other_hostnames' in my exim4 config file. I setup it to dc_other_hostnames='pc34ghz.org' (even if had same value in /etc/mailname ?!) which is my localdomain By 'it works now' I mean both following test work (as logged with user 'bruno'): mail -s 'test001' root mail -s 'test002' my_external_email at gmail.com Note : emails sent to root are forwarded to bruno maildir as defined in aliases file Thanks to all for attention. Bye, Bruno From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jun 29 22:56:19 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:56:19 +0100 Subject: Google Earth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48681313.3080209@tiscali.co.uk> J. Michael Morse wrote: > When I googled for GOOGLEEARTH & KUBUNTU, I found the following site: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth > > Is Google Earth in any repository? Or is the manual install the only option? > > Michael > > wulfy at kubuntu:~$ apt-cache show googleearth-4.3 Package: googleearth-4.3 Source: googleearth Version: 4.3.7204.836-0medibuntu1 Architecture: i386 Maintainer: Medibuntu Packaging Team Installed-Size: 47516 Pre-Depends: debconf (>= 1.4.69) | cdebconf (>= 0.39) Depends: googleearth-4.3-data (= 4.3.7204.836-0medibuntu1), libc6 (>= 2.3.2), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libsm6, libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.0), libxrender1, ttf-dejavu | ttf-bitstream-vera | msttcorefonts Conflicts: googleearth (<< 4.3.7191.6508-0medibuntu2), googleearth-4.2 Homepage: http://earth.google.com/ Priority: extra Section: non-free/net Filename: pool/non-free/g/googleearth/googleearth-4.3_4.3.7204.836-0medibuntu1_i386.deb Size: 17142326 SHA1: f04cf0708684e4da00475ca4034e0ddfbe2115f1 MD5sum: b64976a7c47032d5c5b877d649b87600 Description: Google Earth! 4.3 - binary files The idea is simple. It's a globe that sits inside your PC. You point and zoom to anyplace on the planet that you want to explore. Satellite images and local facts zoom into view. Tap into Google search to show local points of interest and facts. Zoom to a specific address to check out an apartment or hotel. View driving directions and even fly along your route. We invite you to try it now. . NOTE: You must accept Google Earth!'s EULA prior to successfully installing this package. . This is in Medibuntu because of its non-free license. . This package contains binary files for Google Earth! 4.3. There's also a -4.2 version. HTH -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From slewin at bmts.com Sun Jun 29 23:15:56 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:15:56 -0400 Subject: Dolphin forced in Intrepid Alpha Message-ID: <486817AC.70006@bmts.com> At least in the Alpha-1 release of Intrepid Dolphin is forced onto people. If you attempt to uninstall it, it will also uninstall Konqueror. So, it is either both, or nothing at all. This is too bad as I did not mind quickly uninstalling Dolphin in 8.04 to make Konqueror my choice of file browser. Now, I can not do that and I am forced to change all my file associations and have Dolphin sit there as a waste of hard drive space. This almost feels like windows where I am forced to keep all the MS crap software. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Jun 29 23:51:13 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:51:13 -0400 Subject: Playing MMS video, where's the bug? In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806291951.22654.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 29 June 2008 18:07:29 Knapp wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Is there a bug filed in the [k]ubuntu bugtracker (launchpad) regarding > MMS video playback? I thought there would be one,  but I could not > find it and I don't want to post a dupe. > > This video does not play in Firefox: > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126500 > > However, I can copy the url and paste it into VLC to play the video, > so it is an issue of configuration. Should I file it? > > Dotan Cohen > > > Stupid question but did you click it? Then did you get sent to the next web > page for non windows browsers? Did you get the can't play mms error? For the first time a web page that doesn't work well in Firefox, works in Konqueror. Konqueror opened it in kmplayer, after first asking if I wanted to save or play it. I assume all you have to do is associate the mms protocol with mplayer or kmplayer. Now figuring out which about:config setting to add or change is another matter. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Jun 29 23:52:25 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:52:25 -0400 Subject: Google Earth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200806291952.25459.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 29 June 2008 18:07:07 J. 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URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Jun 29 23:55:23 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:55:23 -0400 Subject: Dolphin forced in Intrepid Alpha In-Reply-To: <486817AC.70006@bmts.com> References: <486817AC.70006@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806291955.24287.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Sunday 29 June 2008 19:15:56 Scott wrote: > At least in the Alpha-1 release of Intrepid Dolphin is forced onto > people.  If you attempt to uninstall it, it will also uninstall > Konqueror.  So, it is either both, or nothing at all. > > This is too bad as I did not mind quickly uninstalling Dolphin in 8.04 > to make Konqueror my choice of file browser.  Now, I can not do that and > I am forced to change all my file associations and have Dolphin sit > there as a waste of hard drive space. My understand is that KDE 4 Konqueror, when used as a file manager uses dolphin.part to do that. I have no idea whether dolphin within konqueror is as crippled as dolphin as a standalone. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From pr144 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 02:37:06 2008 From: pr144 at yahoo.com (Peter O'Reilly) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: file permissinons Message-ID: <597109.44856.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> File permission errors... I get file permission errors when trying to configure different apps, like this, Can't create config file (/var/lib/myap/myapp.conf) Permission denied Re-run myapp, adding '-c configfilename' as a parameter. ...I tried 'su' as root but there is no root account set up....how can I grant my user 'sa' the privileges necessary to configure my newly installed server? Thank you Peter From upulg.dev at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 03:08:52 2008 From: upulg.dev at gmail.com (Upul Godage) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:38:52 +0530 Subject: file permissinons In-Reply-To: <597109.44856.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <597109.44856.qm@web52802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51e581cd0806292008x148d7ca9n23bc2b3223dcd999@mail.gmail.com> root account is disabled by default in Ubuntu. You can give the command like this. sudo This will run the command with root priviledges. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo Upul On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Peter O'Reilly wrote: > File permission errors... > > I get file permission errors when trying to configure different apps, like > this, > > > Can't create config file (/var/lib/myap/myapp.conf) > Permission denied > Re-run myapp, adding '-c configfilename' as a parameter. > > ...I tried 'su' as root but there is no root account set up....how can I > grant my user 'sa' the privileges necessary to configure my newly installed > server? > > Thank you > Peter > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hvralpha at intekom.co.za Mon Jun 30 07:57:03 2008 From: hvralpha at intekom.co.za (hvralpha) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:57:03 +0200 Subject: Google Earth Message-ID: <200806300957.03727.hvralpha@intekom.co.za> Michael, You can add the medibuntu repositories and install through adept. See www.medibuntu.org for full instructions. Hein From aikurn at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 07:56:35 2008 From: aikurn at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Leticia_Hern=E1ndez?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:56:35 +0200 Subject: Dolphin forced in Intrepid Alpha In-Reply-To: <486817AC.70006@bmts.com> References: <486817AC.70006@bmts.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/30 Scott : > At least in the Alpha-1 release of Intrepid Dolphin is forced onto > people. If you attempt to uninstall it, it will also uninstall > Konqueror. So, it is either both, or nothing at all. > Indeed, Konqueror as a file browser uses Dolphin's file management part. This is too bad as I did not mind quickly uninstalling Dolphin in 8.04 > to make Konqueror my choice of file browser. Now, I can not do that and > I am forced to change all my file associations and have Dolphin sit > there as a waste of hard drive space. This almost feels like windows > where I am forced to keep all the MS crap software. > For the record, to make Konqueror your default file manager you just need to change 2 file associations. If you're in a hurry you could change only the inode/directory one. Have a nice day! -- Leticia Hernández -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simozack at yahoo.it Mon Jun 30 08:27:24 2008 From: simozack at yahoo.it (simone) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:27:24 +0200 Subject: Firefox on KDE4: ugly and will stay ugly (with screenshot) In-Reply-To: <880dece00806291251s39b3e142o9f4056d4e0d9154e@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806291251s39b3e142o9f4056d4e0d9154e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486898EC.4080706@yahoo.it> Dotan Cohen ha scritto: > If you don't want Firefox to look like this on KDE4: > http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15664558/firefox.png > > Then comment on this bug: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/243733 If you don't have problem to install all the gtk libraries required, try to install gtk-qt-engine if you're using kde 3 or gtk-qt-engine-kde4 if you're using kde 4. If you like the style of konqueror, consider also this link: http://konquefox.free.fr HTH! -- Simone Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From gregg at maths.uwa.edu.au Mon Jun 30 08:54:34 2008 From: gregg at maths.uwa.edu.au (Greg Gamble) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:54:34 +0800 Subject: lost usb/dvd on gutsy->hardy upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <20080627163829.GA4785@abutilon> <200806271403.50519.plberd-kubuntu@yahoo.com.ar> <20080627182819.GA4845@abutilon> <20080628170145.GA11389@abutilon> Message-ID: <20080630085423.GA16384@abutilon> Sorry for the delay in reply Jonas, I had tried to email several hours ago, but our mail server went down. Anyway, replies to your queries are embedded below. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:41:09PM +0200, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/6/28 Greg Gamble : > > Thanks Jonas, Pablo and James > > > > I answer all your queries and give the outputs of your suggestions > > below. Is it better to do this in the one email like this? ... or > > answer each suggestion/query by reply to each email? > > > > Anyway, thanks ... I feel I'm moving forward a little. > > >> Can you give us the output from > >> this command: > >> ls -l /dev/s[cd]* > >> ls -l /dev/cd* > >> ls -l /dev/dvd* > > > > $ ls -l /dev/s[cd]* > > brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/scd0 > > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda > > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 1 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda1 > > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 2 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda2 > > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 5 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/sda5 > > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 2008-06-29 00:18 /dev/sdb > > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 17 2008-06-29 00:18 /dev/sdb1 > > > > $ ls -l /dev/cd* > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/cdrom -> scd0 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/cdrw -> scd0 > > > > $ ls -l /dev/dvd* > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/dvd -> scd0 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-29 00:06 /dev/dvdrw -> scd0 > > Your DVD drive is recognized and all symlinks is there and pointing to > your DVD device and you can mount and you can mount a CD manually. > What kind of disc are you trying with? When you insert a > DVD-movie/Data DVD, Data CD or Audio CD do you get the pop up dialog > asking what you want to do with it? I tried with a Data CD, but I don't think it matters. When I insert the CD, I don't get any pop-up dialog or icon as I used to and it doesn't get mounted under media. > > Jun 29 00:36:05 banksia kernel: [ 899.220250] usb 1-10: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 > > Jun 29 00:36:05 banksia kernel: [ 899.278488] usb 1-10: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > > Jun 29 00:36:05 banksia kernel: [ 899.278712] scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices > > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.451016] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access LEXAR JUMPDRIVE 1000 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS > > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.452389] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 252928 512-byte hardware sectors (129 MB) > > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.452766] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off > > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.454062] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 252928 512-byte hardware sectors (129 MB) > > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.454388] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off > > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.454396] sdb: sdb1 > > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.479620] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk > > Jun 29 00:36:10 banksia kernel: [ 901.479656] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 > > > It's finding your USB Jumpdrive and the partition on it and assigning > it to the sdb1 device, so all looks OK besides that your system wont > automount any removable media. What's the right way to mount my USB Jumpdrive manually? > This looks more some kind of UDEV/HAL issues. Is UDEV and HAL installed? $ dpkg -l '*udev*' ... ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii udev 117-8 rule-based device node and kernel event mana $ dpkg -l '*hal*' ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii hal 0.5.11~rc2-1ub Hardware Abstraction Layer ii hal-cups-utils 0.6.13+svn86-0 CUPS integration with HAL ii hal-info 20080508+git20 Hardware Abstraction Layer - fdi files un hashalot (no description available) ii libhal-storage 0.5.11~rc2-1ub Hardware Abstraction Layer - shared library ii libhal1 0.5.11~rc2-1ub Hardware Abstraction Layer - shared library > What groups are you member of? $ groups gregg adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner lpadmin admin netdev powerdev I hope some of that info helps diagnose what broke. Regards and thanks, Greg Gamble From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 09:19:19 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:19:19 +0200 Subject: controlling touchpad in hardy? In-Reply-To: <48665F4F.2060908@rmk.co.il> References: <4865698B.3000802@gmail.com> <48665F4F.2060908@rmk.co.il> Message-ID: <4868A517.2090502@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > D. R. Evans wrote: >> Under gutsy, my laptop had a thing in the system tray that would allow me >> to configure the touchpad so that tapping it was not interpreted as a mouse >> click (I had to reconfigure it every time, though, but at least it was >> possible). >> >> I did an upgrade to hardy, and that program isn't there any more. And going >> to system settings doesn't seem to give me any options that affect the >> touchpad. Does anyone know what I need to do regain some control over my >> touchpad? It's driving me crazy: the laptop keeps thinking I'm clicking the >> mouse when I'm just trying to move it. >> >> Doc >> > > It's gone the way of the Monty Python Norwegian Blue [parrot]. > http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/ > But there is a new development - called TouchFreeze - at version 0.2 > Touchfreeze did not make me much happier and I really miss KSynaptic. But after googling and searching around forever I found that adding this line Option "MaxTapTime" "2" to the Synaptic Touchpad section of xorg.conf (/etc/X11) disables the tapping totally and I then use the pad-buttons instead for clicking. Peace at last! Sinclair From rk at vzsze.de Mon Jun 30 09:42:33 2008 From: rk at vzsze.de (Rolf Kutz) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:42:33 +0200 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <4856A709.4080308@gmail.com> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> <4856A709.4080308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080630094233.GA16398@vzsze.de> On 16/06/08 20:46 +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: >Lea Gris wrote: > >well, can you be helpful as to how can we avoid these stuff you >mentioned? i'm aware of the atime problem for example from the days of >windows, but have no idea about the others, or even if i'm using SVG or >not :P what does SVG stands for anyway? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 10:36:38 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:36:38 +0300 Subject: Firefox on KDE4: ugly and will stay ugly (with screenshot) In-Reply-To: <486898EC.4080706@yahoo.it> References: <880dece00806291251s39b3e142o9f4056d4e0d9154e@mail.gmail.com> <486898EC.4080706@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <880dece00806300336q452b4191i4703a5ca66b01968@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/30 simone : > Dotan Cohen ha scritto: >> If you don't want Firefox to look like this on KDE4: >> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15664558/firefox.png >> >> Then comment on this bug: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/243733 > > If you don't have problem to install all the gtk libraries required, try > to install gtk-qt-engine if you're using kde 3 or gtk-qt-engine-kde4 if > you're using kde 4. > > If you like the style of konqueror, consider also this link: > http://konquefox.free.fr > > HTH! Thanks, that page has some good tips. I find that installing the "XP on Vista" theme helps, too. I would actually suggest that this be made the default in Kubuntu, despite the MS-centric name. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 11:34:30 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SVG In-Reply-To: <20080630094233.GA16398@vzsze.de> Message-ID: <445989.42176.qm@web58002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> SVG stands for Scalable Vector Graphics and is an open source version of the file structure used by such programs as Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator and various CAD packages. Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Rolf Kutz wrote: > From: Rolf Kutz > Subject: Re: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 5:42 AM > On 16/06/08 20:46 +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >Lea Gris wrote: > > > >well, can you be helpful as to how can we avoid these > stuff you > >mentioned? i'm aware of the atime problem for > example from the days of > >windows, but have no idea about the others, or even if > i'm using SVG or > >not :P what does SVG stands for anyway? > > Hardy uses relatime as default. > > regards, Rolf > > -- > People should not be afraid of their governments, > governments should be > afraid of their people. - V-- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From slewin at bmts.com Mon Jun 30 12:36:21 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:36:21 -0400 Subject: Dolphin forced in Intrepid Alpha In-Reply-To: References: <486817AC.70006@bmts.com> Message-ID: <4868D345.4000402@bmts.com> Leticia Hernández wrote: > For the record, to make Konqueror your default file manager you just ank you > need to change 2 file associations. If you're in a hurry you could > change only the inode/directory one. Thank you, I have already done that in my Intrepid test system. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From doc.evans at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 12:59:50 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:59:50 -0600 Subject: controlling touchpad in hardy? In-Reply-To: <4868A517.2090502@gmail.com> References: <4865698B.3000802@gmail.com> <48665F4F.2060908@rmk.co.il> <4868A517.2090502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4868D8C6.4080204@gmail.com> O. Sinclair said the following at 06/30/2008 03:19 AM : > > > Touchfreeze did not make me much happier and I really miss KSynaptic. > But after googling and searching around forever I found that adding this > line > Option "MaxTapTime" "2" > to the Synaptic Touchpad section of xorg.conf (/etc/X11) disables the > tapping totally and I then use the pad-buttons instead for clicking. > Peace at last! Brilliant! Thanks so much for posting this. I'll try this later today. Frankly, I don't understand how Canonical could have released hardy without some obvious way to control this. Sure, the laptop is usable, but it's usable in the same intensely frustrating way that it would be usable if it were running Windows. In other words: it works, but it's anything but a pleasure to use. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Mon Jun 30 12:54:00 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:54:00 -0700 Subject: controlling touchpad in hardy? In-Reply-To: <4868D8C6.4080204@gmail.com> References: <4865698B.3000802@gmail.com> <4868A517.2090502@gmail.com> <4868D8C6.4080204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806300554.00977.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Monday 30 June 2008 05:59:50 am D. R. Evans wrote: > O. Sinclair said the following at 06/30/2008 03:19 AM : > > Touchfreeze did not make me much happier and I really miss KSynaptic. > > But after googling and searching around forever I found that adding this > > line > > Option "MaxTapTime" "2" > > to the Synaptic Touchpad section of xorg.conf (/etc/X11) disables the > > tapping totally and I then use the pad-buttons instead for clicking. > > Peace at last! > > Brilliant! Thanks so much for posting this. I'll try this later today. > > Frankly, I don't understand how Canonical could have released hardy without > some obvious way to control this. Sure, the laptop is usable, but it's > usable in the same intensely frustrating way that it would be usable if it > were running Windows. In other words: it works, but it's anything but a > pleasure to use. > > Doc > > -- > Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR This is one of the two issues that my wife noticed immediately...just transferred her from MS to Kubuntu a week ago....I ended up installing gsynaptics to sort it out From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jun 30 13:16:54 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:16:54 -0500 Subject: Playing MMS video, where's the bug? In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4868DCC6.4080809@swbell.net> Knapp wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Dotan Cohen > wrote: > > Is there a bug filed in the [k]ubuntu bugtracker (launchpad) regarding > MMS video playback? I thought there would be one, but I could not > find it and I don't want to post a dupe. > > This video does not play in Firefox: > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126500 > > However, I can copy the url and paste it into VLC to play the video, > so it is an issue of configuration. Should I file it? > > Dotan Cohen > > > Stupid question but did you click it? Then did you get sent to the > next web page for non windows browsers? Did you get the can't play mms > error? > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page When I tried it I got a message that Firefox couldn't open it because there was no program associated with "mms". A little Googling and I found that "mms" is for Microsoft Media Server or some such nonsense. Another Microsoft proprietary format????? -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Mon Jun 30 13:30:49 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:30:49 +0100 Subject: Strange ATA messages in log Message-ID: <200806301430.50013.kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> I've recently upgraded my last computer from 7.10 - 8.04 and whilst trying to fix the wireless issues I came across some errors in /var/log/messages that I'm concerned about. Jun 30 14:17:03 Woody kernel: [10884.081328] sr: Sense Key : Aborted Command [current] [descriptor] Jun 30 14:17:03 Woody kernel: [10884.081331] sr: Add. Sense: No additional sense information Jun 30 14:18:07 Woody kernel: [10916.239095] ata4.01: qc timeout (cmd 0xa0) Jun 30 14:18:07 Woody kernel: [10916.239117] cdb 25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Jun 30 14:18:07 Woody kernel: [10916.239118] res 51/20:03:00:08:00/00:00:00:00:00/b0 Emask 0x5 (timeout) Jun 30 14:18:07 Woody kernel: [10916.239136] ata4: soft resetting link Jun 30 14:18:08 Woody kernel: [10916.567152] ata4.00: configured for UDMA/33 Jun 30 14:18:08 Woody kernel: [10916.653590] ata4.01: configured for MWDMA1 Jun 30 14:18:08 Woody kernel: [10916.653607] ata4: EH complete Jun 30 14:19:02 Woody kernel: [10943.656781] ata4.01: qc timeout (cmd 0xa0) Jun 30 14:19:02 Woody kernel: [10943.656802] cdb 25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Jun 30 14:19:02 Woody kernel: [10943.656804] res 51/20:03:00:08:00/00:00:00:00:00/b0 Emask 0x5 (timeout) Jun 30 14:19:02 Woody kernel: [10943.656822] ata4: soft resetting link Jun 30 14:19:03 Woody kernel: [10943.984465] ata4.00: configured for UDMA/33 Jun 30 14:19:03 Woody kernel: [10944.066891] ata4.01: configured for MWDMA1 Jun 30 14:19:03 Woody kernel: [10944.066908] ata4: EH complete Jun 30 14:20:02 Woody kernel: [10973.651638] ata4.01: qc timeout (cmd 0xa0) Jun 30 14:20:02 Woody kernel: [10973.651659] cdb 25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Jun 30 14:20:02 Woody kernel: [10973.651660] res 51/20:03:00:08:00/00:00:00:00:00/b0 Emask 0x5 (timeout) Jun 30 14:20:02 Woody kernel: [10973.651678] ata4: soft resetting link Jun 30 14:20:03 Woody kernel: [10973.979715] ata4.00: configured for UDMA/33 Jun 30 14:20:03 Woody kernel: [10974.065738] ata4.01: configured for MWDMA1 Jun 30 14:20:03 Woody kernel: [10974.065755] ata4: EH complete Seems to be happening approximately every minute, ata4.00 and ata4.01 are both optical drives. Another thing is that it mounts the various drives differently each time i.e. normally I would expect my main hard drive to be sda and the 2nd one /home as sdb, but most of the time they are reversed. I've had to change /etc/fstab to use the UUIDs instead. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Mon Jun 30 13:25:17 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:25:17 -0700 Subject: Kaffeine Bug #210303 or #213274 Message-ID: <200806300625.18070.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Kubuntu Users: I want to bring your attention to the above bug numbers on launchpad which affects ability to play some DVDs and some MS Windows generated video files in Kaffeine. The issue has to do with XINE trying to install proprietary codecs which are already installed and as a result generating an endless loop. The loop is exited when Kaffeine is closed. The bug is quite annoying for people who are making the switch from MS to Kubuntu, which results in some very negative first impressions for Kubuntu and KDE from these new users. If you have any hacking experience with Kaffeine and Xine please take a look at this bug in Launchpad. Someone feel free to copy this email to the developers list. Larry From rk at vzsze.de Mon Jun 30 14:25:30 2008 From: rk at vzsze.de (Rolf Kutz) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:25:30 +0200 Subject: The Speed Factor -- Kubuntu vs. Gentoo In-Reply-To: <20080630094233.GA16398@vzsze.de> References: <200806141024.59974.tilleyrw@cfl.rr.com> <4854754F.7050402@mike-leone.com> <2561916.WisRt9I87z@cedar.serverforest.com> <200806160926.03527.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4856A544.6070805@noiraude.net> <4856A709.4080308@gmail.com> <20080630094233.GA16398@vzsze.de> Message-ID: <20080630142529.GA24895@vzsze.de> On 30/06/08 11:42 +0200, Rolf Kutz wrote: > On 16/06/08 20:46 +0300, Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> Lea Gris wrote: >> >> well, can you be helpful as to how can we avoid these stuff you >> mentioned? i'm aware of the atime problem for example from the days of >> windows, but have no idea about the others, or even if i'm using SVG or >> not :P what does SVG stands for anyway? > > Hardy uses relatime as default. Sorry for misquoting. My answere was related to the atime problem. regards, Rolf > -- > People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be > afraid of their people. - V >-- >kubuntu-users mailing list >kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- I si para prop 10 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Should I file it? >> >> Dotan Cohen >> >> >> Stupid question but did you click it? Then did you get sent to the >> next web page for non windows browsers? Did you get the can't play mms >> error? >> >> >> -- >> Douglas E Knapp >> >> http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > When I tried it I got a message that Firefox couldn't open it because > there was no program associated with "mms". A little Googling and I > found that "mms" is for Microsoft Media Server or some such nonsense. > Another Microsoft proprietary format????? Microsoft Media Server (MMS) is the name of Microsoft's proprietary network streaming protocol used to transfer unicast data in Windows Media Services (previously called NetShow Services). MMS can be transported via UDP or TCP. The MMS default port is UDP/TCP 1755. Microsoft deprecated MMS in favor of RTSP in 2003 with the release of the Windows Media Services 9 Series, but continued to support the MMS for some time in the interest of backwards compatibility. Support for the protocol was finally dropped in Windows Media Services 2008[1]. MMS is also Multimedia Messaging Service, which is a multimedia version of a text message, apparently, so it's unclear which one this is. -- Michael J. Leone, PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Photo Gallery: I couldn't understand your attitude. I only wanted to take a photograph of you, But I was shocked when I heard what you had to say. You picked up my camera, threw it away, I didn't really mean to ruin your day. -- "Heart of Gold", the Kinks From slewin at bmts.com Mon Jun 30 17:45:26 2008 From: slewin at bmts.com (Scott) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:45:26 -0400 Subject: controlling touchpad in hardy? In-Reply-To: <200806300554.00977.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> References: <4865698B.3000802@gmail.com> <4868A517.2090502@gmail.com> <4868D8C6.4080204@gmail.com> <200806300554.00977.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> Message-ID: <48691BB6.4060904@bmts.com> Larry Hartman wrote: > I ended up installing > gsynaptics to sort it out Gsynaptics is what I have been using. It works fine, but I don't like how I need to run it every time I boot up and change the settings. It does not seem to remember what the settings is after computer shutdown. -- Your friend, Scott Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 18:22:51 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:22:51 +0300 Subject: Playing MMS video, where's the bug? In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00806301122i4286b1adjf2e882023120f0be@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/30 Knapp : > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> Is there a bug filed in the [k]ubuntu bugtracker (launchpad) regarding >> MMS video playback? I thought there would be one, but I could not >> find it and I don't want to post a dupe. >> >> This video does not play in Firefox: >> http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126500 >> >> However, I can copy the url and paste it into VLC to play the video, >> so it is an issue of configuration. Should I file it? >> >> Dotan Cohen > > Stupid question but did you click it? Yes! > Then did you get sent to the next web > page for non windows browsers? No. > Did you get the can't play mms error? Yes. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 18:24:19 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:24:19 +0300 Subject: Playing MMS video, where's the bug? In-Reply-To: <200806291951.22654.art.alexion@verizon.net> References: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> <200806291951.22654.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806301124w7cc28a9w42cb62f59442a088@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/30 Art Alexion : > I assume all you have to do is associate the mms protocol with mplayer or > kmplayer. Now figuring out which about:config setting to add or change is > another matter. > I assume the same as you assume. That's why on something as common and simple as this there would be an open bug. I couldn't find one, so I asked here first. When I find the proper config options I will post a bug with the solution. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 18:25:59 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:25:59 +0300 Subject: Playing MMS video, where's the bug? In-Reply-To: <4868DCC6.4080809@swbell.net> References: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> <4868DCC6.4080809@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806301125g34af9869r801b6f0d8be0bb77@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/30 Billie Walsh : > When I tried it I got a message that Firefox couldn't open it because > there was no program associated with "mms". A little Googling and I > found that "mms" is for Microsoft Media Server or some such nonsense. > Another Microsoft proprietary format????? > No, a Microsoft proprietary protocol that has been discontinued: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Media_Services So now, all the smart websites that went with the MS technology will have to upgrade their services to be compatible with Vista. Yay MS! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 18:30:11 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:30:11 +0300 Subject: Playing MMS video, where's the bug? In-Reply-To: References: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> <4868DCC6.4080809@swbell.net> Message-ID: <880dece00806301130u5ef7d174va84901722d54272c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/30 Michael Leone : > Microsoft Media Server (MMS) is the name of Microsoft's proprietary > network streaming protocol used to transfer unicast data in Windows > Media Services (previously called NetShow Services). MMS can be > transported via UDP or TCP. The MMS default port is UDP/TCP 1755. > > Microsoft deprecated MMS in favor of RTSP in 2003 with the release of > the Windows Media Services 9 Series, but continued to support the MMS > for some time in the interest of backwards compatibility. Support for > the protocol was finally dropped in Windows Media Services 2008[1]. > > > > MMS is also Multimedia Messaging Service, which is a multimedia > version of a text message, apparently, so it's unclear which one this > is. > It's the former. The latter is relevant only to GSM and pseudo-GSM (CDMA/TDMA with a GPRS gateway) cellular telephones. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From johndecarlo at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 20:02:24 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:02:24 -0400 Subject: root password In-Reply-To: <200806291647.09734.mlsoft@videotron.ca> References: <01a301c8d89b$41761f90$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200806291552.54688.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <4867F1D3.9040609@gmail.com> <200806291647.09734.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3dde113c0806301302t1b07c5fah1188e042f3d7ab16@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Martin Laberge wrote: > But when the system cant boot and stop in admin mode, it asks for the ROOT > passwd. > I believe it is the kernel or the init task who ask for the ROOT passwd at > this moment. > As follows: > > Root filesystem mounted read only. > Please enter the root password to enter admin mode or press Ctrl-D to > continue : > > This happened to me once, and I install a password for root from this time > on. > I have played around with Ubuntu/Kubuntu for some time. If the system can't boot - like the boot drive has disappeared (yes, I have messed up Grub that way), it drops you into single user mode. No root password is asked for, because there is none. So Kubuntu has thought of this already - no issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From art.alexion at verizon.net Mon Jun 30 20:05:43 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:05:43 -0400 Subject: Playing MMS video, where's the bug? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806301124w7cc28a9w42cb62f59442a088@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> <200806291951.22654.art.alexion@verizon.net> <880dece00806301124w7cc28a9w42cb62f59442a088@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806301605.43870.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Monday 30 June 2008 2:24:19 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: > When I find the proper config options I will post a > bug with the solution. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jun 30 21:04:15 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:04:15 +0100 Subject: Playing MMS video, where's the bug? In-Reply-To: <880dece00806301124w7cc28a9w42cb62f59442a088@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00806291340p45be49dp8bfcc6e86e37bb6f@mail.gmail.com> <200806291951.22654.art.alexion@verizon.net> <880dece00806301124w7cc28a9w42cb62f59442a088@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48694A4F.3060009@tiscali.co.uk> Dotan Cohen wrote: > When I find the proper config options I will post a > bug with the solution. > > Dotan Cohen According to Mozillazine[0], it involves setting some things in the network.protocol-handler tree in about:config... worked for .mailto with Thunderbird but not with .mss, sadly, at least for me. [0] -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net Mon Jun 30 22:55:32 2008 From: larryhartman50 at vzavenue.net (Larry Hartman) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:55:32 -0700 Subject: controlling touchpad in hardy? In-Reply-To: <48691BB6.4060904@bmts.com> References: <4865698B.3000802@gmail.com> <200806300554.00977.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> <48691BB6.4060904@bmts.com> Message-ID: <200806301555.32853.larryhartman50@vzavenue.net> On Monday 30 June 2008 10:45:26 am Scott wrote: > Larry Hartman wrote: > > I ended up installing > > gsynaptics to sort it out > > Gsynaptics is what I have been using. It works fine, but I don't like > how I need to run it every time I boot up and change the settings. It > does not seem to remember what the settings is after computer shutdown. > > -- > Your friend, > Scott > > Sent to you from a Linux computer using Kubuntu Version 8.04 I havent noticed the loss of settings during shutdown...I will look for it and let you know if I experience the same. Larry