tag in the <head>, Konqueror displays the title of the last adjacent tab in the title bar when you are viewing the tab with the blank title. So here is the embarrassment. I was having a discussion regarding GPS in cell phones when someone post a URL that is supposed to be authoritative. The next adjacent tab was a web page entitled "the shit for brains award". I looked at this allegedly authoritative page and saw that its title appeared to be the aforementioned s4b award, and said so in a responsive post impugning the authority of the page. (it had other problems, but I no longer have the credibility to critique them.) I am filing a bug on launchpad, but I thought I'd post a warning, too. Screen shot available. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080826/420954e2/attachment.sig> From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 26 21:40:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:40:27 -0300 Subject: automatic update notifer References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200808262043.32728.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48B45134.60207@gmail.com> <200808262059.01217.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <g91mqh$m68$1@ger.gmane.org> Message-ID: <76244547.Fa8ifpHiiM@cedar.serverforest.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Peter Klaassen schrieb: >> Op Tuesday 26 August 2008 20:53:40 schreef Willy K. Hamra: >>> ok, open adept manager, in the adept menu, choose manage repositories, >>> go to the updates tab, and make sure the "check for updates" checkbox is >>> checked, and select the frequency of the checks from beside it, it is >>> "daily" by default, and beneath it choose the setting suitable for you, >>> i usually don't prefer automatic download and installation of packages. >> >> All was already set in this way. (automatic daily automatic download) >> But still under Hardy no effect. >> > if nothing works you might enter willy's commandline generated updater > into a cron table, either set to be executed at a fixed time or use > the cron.daily file for execution "just once a day". I don't use adept-manager, but apt should be running a job daily in any case. See /etc/cron.daily/apt (not to mention .../aptitude). What they do is controlled by the settings in /etc/apt/conf.d/, and I would expect adept-manager to merely set 10periodic (or at least the same keys that I have in that file): APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "0"; APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; So, the first tells apt to run "apt-get update" daily, and the second says not to download the packages (you want it to be "1", I guess). I used to do this, but now I have a bandwidth limited account, so I download when I have bigger pipes. The last says to purge /var/cache/apt/archives every "n" days - which I do manually after running apt-move. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 26 21:51:11 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:51:11 -0300 Subject: The Konq "feature" you don't want References: <200808261728.05272.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <304954648.sk5jIXYGbB@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: > konqueror 3.5.9 > Kde 3.5.9 > Kubuntu 8.04.1 > > This bug caused me some embarrassment. > > Here is a description. If you have a lot of tabs open, and the last tab > is a web page without a <title> tag in the <head>, Konqueror displays the > title of the last adjacent tab in the title bar when you are viewing the > tab with the blank title. > > So here is the embarrassment. I was having a discussion regarding GPS in > cell phones when someone post a URL that is supposed to be authoritative. > The next > adjacent tab was a web page entitled "the shit for brains award". I > looked at this allegedly authoritative page and saw that its title > appeared to be the aforementioned s4b award, and said so in a responsive > post impugning the authority of the page. (it had other problems, but I no > longer have the credibility to critique them.) Yikes! You have my heartfelt sympathy. It could have been me... Fwiw, I think not putting a <title> tag in a page makes me question the tech-savviness (if I can use such a word) of the author. For heavens sakes, even the _worst_ page generator will put one there. I have to say, though, I haven't been able to duplicate it with a simple file: <html> <head></head> <body> this is all there is </body> </html> with or without the <head> it generates a title using the filename. So it's probably not that straightforward. There's one question that needs to be asked: was the "shit for brains award" page worth the embarrassment it inadvertently caused? -- derek From mlsoft at videotron.ca Tue Aug 26 23:25:39 2008 From: mlsoft at videotron.ca (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:25:39 -0400 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808261925.39534.mlsoft@videotron.ca> On Tuesday 26 August 2008 13:20:46 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------070603060306070708070606 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > i found a lot of websites explaining how to save the list of installed > packages, to be used after a fresh install for example. there is a lot > of packages that i don't want to install, i can simply delete their > names from the list, but their dependencies will still get installed, > and as far as i understand, apt will consider them manually installed > packages, so i don't think "apt-get autoremove" will remove them, or am > i wrong? in which case, it's all i need to know :P > otherwise, is there a way to save a list of packages i manually > specified to apt? i usually ask for a package and apt automatically > install dependencies, is there a way to get a list of these packages i > typed? > thanks in advance > > --=20 > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net > > --------------070603060306070708070606 > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; > name="w_hamra1987.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="w_hamra1987.vcf" > > YmVnaW46dmNhcmQNCmZuOldpbGx5IEhhbXJhDQpuOkhhbXJhO1dpbGx5DQplbWFpbDtpbnRl > cm5ldDp3LmhhbXJhMTk4N0BnbWFpbC5jb20NCngtbW96aWxsYS1odG1sOkZBTFNFDQp2ZXJz > aW9uOjIuMQ0KZW5kOnZjYXJkDQoNCg== > --------------070603060306070708070606-- > In fact, what you (and I too) would want is a list of APPLICATIONS installed, without all their dependencies. Not a list of Packages. If someone know a method to do this, I would use it too... -- Martin Laberge mlsoft at videotron.ca Tel:(418)521-6823 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... From cherryfinals at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 23:44:16 2008 From: cherryfinals at yahoo.com (cherryfinals) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PCI BIOS bug number 81 lockup! In-Reply-To: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <682065.63945.qm@web58013.mail.re3.yahoo.com> My daughter just called in a panic. I setup her system with Kubuntu Hardy Heron back on Mother's Day and she has been happily using it ever since. This evening, when she tries to boot her laptop, it halts with this error message: PCI BIOS bug number 81 And the only way to reboot is to remove the battery. She has tried several times and it always locks at the same place. I did a quick websearch and found a LOT of threads and most say it is a harmless bug report. None of them give a fix and the few that report lockups have no fixes listed, nor even a common cause. Any ideas? Stan "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Aug 27 00:21:21 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:21:21 -0300 Subject: saving package list References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <200808261925.39534.mlsoft@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <2683259.qCbWT4JYNx@cedar.serverforest.com> Martin Laberge wrote: > On Tuesday 26 August 2008 13:20:46 Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> >> i found a lot of websites explaining how to save the list of installed >> packages, to be used after a fresh install for example. there is a lot >> of packages that i don't want to install, i can simply delete their >> names from the list, but their dependencies will still get installed, >> and as far as i understand, apt will consider them manually installed >> packages, so i don't think "apt-get autoremove" will remove them, or am >> i wrong? in which case, it's all i need to know :P > > In fact, what you (and I too) would want is a list of APPLICATIONS > installed, without all their dependencies. Not a list of Packages. > > If someone know a method to do this, I would use it too... I post this just about monthly. IF you do installs with aptitude (I can't vouch for it working any other way): aptitude search '~i !~M' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 2 -d ' ' will return a lovely list of all the _manually_ installed packages - no dependencies. The first part says show the Installed (Manual) packages, 'tr' eliminates excess spaces, and cut finds just the second word (the package name). -- derek From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 06:53:15 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:53:15 -0400 Subject: PCI BIOS bug number 81 lockup! In-Reply-To: <682065.63945.qm@web58013.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <682065.63945.qm@web58013.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1219819995.12696.145.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 16:44 -0700, cherryfinals wrote: > My daughter just called in a panic. I setup her system with Kubuntu > Hardy Heron back on Mother's Day and she has been happily using it > ever since. > > This evening, when she tries to boot her laptop, it halts with this > error message: > > PCI BIOS bug number 81 > > And the only way to reboot is to remove the battery. > > She has tried several times and it always locks at the same place. > > I did a quick websearch and found a LOT of threads and most say it is > a harmless bug report. None of them give a fix and the few that report > lockups have no fixes listed, nor even a common cause. > > Any ideas? What make/model of laptop? Would she confess to spilling a Coke into the keyboard?? <grins> Ric From dotancohen at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 07:42:33 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:42:33 +0300 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808241012n1a34c9e3tc68f909e5704784a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808241039i66f4810ah10a66e156c970434@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> Message-ID: <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/26 Eberhard Roloff <tuxebi at gmx.de>: >> I wrote to the KDE list and asked there, with a link to the downstream >> (Kubuntu) bug. We will see what they say. Thanks. >> > Please keep us posted. > The KDE team referred me to the Kopete team. I asked on the Kopete dev list, and it seems that the IRC plugin has been abandoned due to other commitments (real life? who has that?) by it's author. Another dev mentioned that he would try to find the time to look at the plugin before KDE 4.2 The Kopete team, like most other KDE teams, seem to really care what their users need. I really am impressed. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org Wed Aug 27 08:54:37 2008 From: jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:54:37 +0200 Subject: workaround: Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808241012n1a34c9e3tc68f909e5704784a@mail.gmail.com> <200808241225.03743.teeahr1@gmail.com> <48B19D1D.70104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <g934od$lot$1@ger.gmane.org> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > what? i just noticed that kopete doesn't have IRC, and no konversatin, > so what? KDE with no IRC app? this just doesn't seem right! I admit - and this keeps me using kde3 - but you could use irc over jabber as a temporary workaround. Jan From jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org Wed Aug 27 09:56:01 2008 From: jtnews at mail2003.dnsalias.org (Jan Torben Heuer) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:56:01 +0200 Subject: signierte Webstartanwendung: jar nicht validierbar unter windows Message-ID: <g938bj$61i$1@ger.gmane.org> Hi, ich habe eine webstartanwendung unter Java6 / Linux erstellt: http://www.pace-project.org/jnlp/diki.jnlp Seltsamerweise lässt sie sich nur unter Linux und MacOS starten unter Windows wird eine der jars bemängelt: > com.sun.deploy.net.JARSigningException: Signatur konnte nicht verifiziert werden in Ressource: http://www.pace-project.org/jnlp/lib/jjcomponents-1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar > at com.sun.javaws.security.SigningInfo.checkSigning(Unknown Source) > at com.sun.javaws.LaunchDownload.checkSignedResourcesHelper(Unknown wenn ich nun diese jar herunterlade und manuell verifiziere bekomme ich: > jarsigner.exe -verify "jjcomponents-1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar" > jar verified. > > Warning: > This jar contains entries whose signer certificate has expired. Genau das selbe, was ich auch unter Linux bekomme. Hat jemand eine Idee woran das liegen könnte? Ich dachte erst an irgendwelche umlaut-problem aber das wars nicht. Ich wundere mich auch warum es genau diese Datei ist. Der einzige Unterschied zu anderen jars in meinem Projekt ist, dass sehr viele Resourcen (png Dateien) enthalten sind. Hat jemand eine Idee? Oder auch schonmal das Problem gehabt? Danke, Jan From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Aug 27 10:17:47 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:17:47 +0200 Subject: signierte Webstartanwendung: jar nicht validierbar unter windows In-Reply-To: <g938bj$61i$1@ger.gmane.org> References: <g938bj$61i$1@ger.gmane.org> Message-ID: <g939km$bmc$1@ger.gmane.org> Jan Torben Heuer schrieb: > Hi, ich habe eine webstartanwendung unter Java6 / Linux erstellt: > http://www.pace-project.org/jnlp/diki.jnlp > > Seltsamerweise lässt sie sich nur unter Linux und MacOS starten unter > Windows wird eine der jars bemängelt: > >> com.sun.deploy.net.JARSigningException: Signatur konnte nicht verifiziert > werden in Ressource: > http://www.pace-project.org/jnlp/lib/jjcomponents-1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar >> at com.sun.javaws.security.SigningInfo.checkSigning(Unknown Source) >> at com.sun.javaws.LaunchDownload.checkSignedResourcesHelper(Unknown > > wenn ich nun diese jar herunterlade und manuell verifiziere bekomme ich: >> jarsigner.exe -verify "jjcomponents-1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar" >> jar verified. >> >> Warning: >> This jar contains entries whose signer certificate has expired. > > Genau das selbe, was ich auch unter Linux bekomme. > > Hat jemand eine Idee woran das liegen könnte? Ich dachte erst an > irgendwelche umlaut-problem aber das wars nicht. Ich wundere mich auch > warum es genau diese Datei ist. Der einzige Unterschied zu anderen jars in > meinem Projekt ist, dass sehr viele Resourcen (png Dateien) enthalten sind. > > Hat jemand eine Idee? Oder auch schonmal das Problem gehabt? > > Danke, > > Jan > > Hi Jan, bist Du sicher, dass eine Fehlfunktion Deiner Java Applikation unter Windows auf der kubuntu user mailingliste (übrigens eine englisch sprachige Liste) korrekt adressiert ist. Hi Jan, are you sure, that this is the right list to discuss a malfunction of your Java Applikation, when started under windows? This is an english list, that discusses technical kubuntu issues, btw. Kind regards Eberhard From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 11:27:18 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:27:18 +0300 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <2683259.qCbWT4JYNx@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <200808261925.39534.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <2683259.qCbWT4JYNx@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48B53A16.1020804@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Martin Laberge wrote: > >> On Tuesday 26 August 2008 13:20:46 Willy K. Hamra wrote: >>> i found a lot of websites explaining how to save the list of installed >>> packages, to be used after a fresh install for example. there is a lot >>> of packages that i don't want to install, i can simply delete their >>> names from the list, but their dependencies will still get installed, >>> and as far as i understand, apt will consider them manually installed >>> packages, so i don't think "apt-get autoremove" will remove them, or am >>> i wrong? in which case, it's all i need to know :P >> In fact, what you (and I too) would want is a list of APPLICATIONS >> installed, without all their dependencies. Not a list of Packages. >> >> If someone know a method to do this, I would use it too... > > I post this just about monthly. IF you do installs with aptitude (I can't > vouch for it working any other way): > > aptitude search '~i !~M' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 2 -d ' ' > > will return a lovely list of all the _manually_ installed packages - no > dependencies. > > The first part says show the Installed (Manual) packages, 'tr' eliminates > excess spaces, and cut finds just the second word (the package name). unfortunately i don't use aptitude, i use apt-get, but now i have a reason to use aptitude in the upcoming release, i thought the fact that apt-get these days can autoremove unused dependencies (i heard that it din't in the past) makes it as good as aptitude, apparently aptitude still has some more functionalities. i guess i'll have to dig through the lists and remove the stuff i think i won't need anymore along with their dependencies and then save the list. unless there is someone on the list who knows how to do it in a neater way? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>: <----> > otherwise, is there a way to save a list of packages i manually > specified to apt? i usually ask for a package and apt automatically > install dependencies, is there a way to get a list of these packages i > typed? > thanks in advance I do it this way: dpkg --get-selections > installed-packages-list dpkg --set-selections < installed-packages-list (to install again) This should be possible in Synaptic and other programmes for installing of packages as well. -- Greetz, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø . " To faith only the holy is true, to knowledge only the true is holy " . (L. Feuerbach) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From magick.crow at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 13:14:48 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:14:48 +0200 Subject: PCI BIOS bug number 81 lockup! In-Reply-To: <1219819995.12696.145.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <682065.63945.qm@web58013.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1219819995.12696.145.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <f495db580808270614n6deef778l2aa9863012496ffa@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 16:44 -0700, cherryfinals wrote: >> My daughter just called in a panic. I setup her system with Kubuntu >> Hardy Heron back on Mother's Day and she has been happily using it >> ever since. >> >> This evening, when she tries to boot her laptop, it halts with this >> error message: >> >> PCI BIOS bug number 81 >> >> And the only way to reboot is to remove the battery. >> >> She has tried several times and it always locks at the same place. >> >> I did a quick websearch and found a LOT of threads and most say it is >> a harmless bug report. None of them give a fix and the few that report >> lockups have no fixes listed, nor even a common cause. >> >> Any ideas? > > What make/model of laptop? Would she confess to spilling a Coke into the > keyboard?? <grins> Ric Blind guess, update the bios? This is after ruling out all the other ideas. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 27 13:29:18 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:29:18 +0200 Subject: automatic update notifer In-Reply-To: <76244547.Fa8ifpHiiM@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <g91mqh$m68$1@ger.gmane.org> <76244547.Fa8ifpHiiM@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808271529.18557.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Tuesday 26 August 2008 23:40:27 schreef Derek Broughton: > I don't use adept-manager, but apt should be running a job daily in any > case. See /etc/cron.daily/apt (not to mention .../aptitude). What they do > is controlled by the settings in /etc/apt/conf.d/, and I would expect > adept-manager to merely set 10periodic (or at least the same keys that I > have in that file): > > APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; > APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "0"; > APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; Derek, In /etc/cron.daily/apt I have UpdateInterval=0 DownloadUpgradeableInterval=0 eval $(apt-config shell UpdateInterval APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists DownloadUpgradeableInterval APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages) AutocleanInterval=$DownloadUpgradeableInterval eval $(apt-config shell AutocleanInterval APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval) UnattendedUpgradeInterval=0 eval $(apt-config shell UnattendedUpgradeInterval APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade) in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update I have: APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"; APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1"; Looks OK to me so far? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 13:38:39 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:38:39 +0300 Subject: automatic update notifer In-Reply-To: <200808271529.18557.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <g91mqh$m68$1@ger.gmane.org> <76244547.Fa8ifpHiiM@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808271529.18557.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48B558DF.40800@gmail.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Tuesday 26 August 2008 23:40:27 schreef Derek Broughton: >> I don't use adept-manager, but apt should be running a job daily in any >> case. �See /etc/cron.daily/apt (not to mention .../aptitude). �What they do >> is controlled by the settings in /etc/apt/conf.d/, and I would expect >> adept-manager to merely set 10periodic (or at least the same keys that I >> have in that file): >> >> APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; >> APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "0"; >> APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; > > > Derek, > > In /etc/cron.daily/apt I have > > UpdateInterval=0 > DownloadUpgradeableInterval=0 > eval $(apt-config shell UpdateInterval APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists > DownloadUpgradeableInterval APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages) > AutocleanInterval=$DownloadUpgradeableInterval > eval $(apt-config shell AutocleanInterval APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval) > UnattendedUpgradeInterval=0 > eval $(apt-config shell UnattendedUpgradeInterval > APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade) > > in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update I have: > > APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; > APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"; > APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; > APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1"; > > Looks OK to me so far? > reading through cron file, i noticed the apt cache checks, do you have package managers running a lot during the day? adept or synaptic or even apt-get and aptitude in a terminal, do you run these programs a lot? if any one of them is running, the cron job would not run, since the package database would be reported in use. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080827/321eaff3/attachment.vcf> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080827/321eaff3/attachment.sig> From godshatter at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 14:28:19 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:28:19 -0700 Subject: PCI BIOS bug number 81 lockup! In-Reply-To: <f495db580808270614n6deef778l2aa9863012496ffa@mail.gmail.com> References: <682065.63945.qm@web58013.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1219819995.12696.145.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <f495db580808270614n6deef778l2aa9863012496ffa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B56483.1000209@yahoo.com> Knapp wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 16:44 -0700, cherryfinals wrote: >> >>> My daughter just called in a panic. I setup her system with Kubuntu >>> Hardy Heron back on Mother's Day and she has been happily using it >>> ever since. >>> >>> This evening, when she tries to boot her laptop, it halts with this >>> error message: >>> >>> PCI BIOS bug number 81 >>> >>> And the only way to reboot is to remove the battery. >>> >>> She has tried several times and it always locks at the same place. >>> >>> I did a quick websearch and found a LOT of threads and most say it is >>> a harmless bug report. None of them give a fix and the few that report >>> lockups have no fixes listed, nor even a common cause. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >> What make/model of laptop? Would she confess to spilling a Coke into the >> keyboard?? <grins> Ric >> > > > Blind guess, update the bios? This is after ruling out all the other ideas. > > > I googled this a bit. There seem to be some options you can try at boot time by editing your grub menu. One post claimed that putting pci=conf1 on the boot line solved it for him. There are also other options that can be tried. I was reading the posts in this thread: ttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-332829.html Did you try anything like this? Paul From kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Wed Aug 27 14:36:12 2008 From: kubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:36:12 +0100 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 Message-ID: <200808271536.12400.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> I've just upgraded to KDE 3.5.10 via backports and noticed that where I was able to have 2 rows of icons in the system tray with 3.5.9, now I can only get a single row. To get the 2 rows back I had to change the height of the bar from 48 to 50 pixels. Have the icons been made bigger or something? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 27 14:49:27 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:49:27 +0200 Subject: automatic update notifer In-Reply-To: <48B558DF.40800@gmail.com> References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200808271529.18557.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48B558DF.40800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808271649.27690.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Wednesday 27 August 2008 15:38:39 schreef Willy K. Hamra: > reading through cron file, i noticed the apt cache checks, do you have > package managers running a lot during the day? adept or synaptic or even > apt-get and aptitude in a terminal, do you run these programs a lot? if > any one of them is running, the cron job would not run, since the > package database would be reported in use. negative, Willy Since the automatic system does not work I only run mannually in terminal: "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get uprade" or something must run without me knowing! where can I check the processes running? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 15:16:28 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:16:28 +0200 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808241012n1a34c9e3tc68f909e5704784a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808241039i66f4810ah10a66e156c970434@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote: > The Kopete team, like most other KDE teams, seem to really care what > their users need. I really am impressed. While I understand where you're coming from - there is always still Konversation under KDE. One could argue whether IRC really needs to be in an Instant Messenger anyway. If all else fails - one himself can pick up the abandoned plugin himself... -- Greetings, Gordon. From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Wed Aug 27 15:28:17 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:28:17 +0200 Subject: Opera, flash and amd64 - solved In-Reply-To: <200808251731.34555.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> References: <200808241458.10033.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <20080825084448.155e69c9@graham-desktop> <200808251731.34555.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200808271728.17432.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> The Opera people knew what bugged me: one has to point the plugin search path directly at the plugin in /usr/lib/(flash), not /var/lib - Opera has its own wrapper. Should be in the ubuntu wiki imo. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 16:01:40 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:01:40 +0300 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <200808271536.12400.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200808271536.12400.kubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <48B57A64.4030203@gmail.com> Mark Fraser wrote: > I've just upgraded to KDE 3.5.10 via backports and noticed that where I was > able to have 2 rows of icons in the system tray with 3.5.9, now I can only > get a single row. > > To get the 2 rows back I had to change the height of the bar from 48 to 50 > pixels. Have the icons been made bigger or something? > for me, i always (from pre 3.5.9 days) had problems with the 2 rows. whenever a new program opens, they become one row, and i have to increase the height a few pixels and decrease it back! then i found that setting it to 52~55 pixels solves this problem (higher than 55 doesn't look nice, at least to me) :-P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080827/636ae8ac/attachment.vcf> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808241012n1a34c9e3tc68f909e5704784a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808241039i66f4810ah10a66e156c970434@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/27 Gordon Schulz <gordon.schulz at gmail.com>: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote: >> The Kopete team, like most other KDE teams, seem to really care what >> their users need. I really am impressed. > > While I understand where you're coming from - there is always still > Konversation under KDE. One could argue whether IRC really needs to be > in an Instant Messenger anyway. If all else fails - one himself can > pick up the abandoned plugin himself... I prefer that all my chats be in one client, regardless of protocol. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 16:13:02 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:13:02 +0300 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808241012n1a34c9e3tc68f909e5704784a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808241039i66f4810ah10a66e156c970434@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B57D0E.5060904@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/27 Gordon Schulz <gordon.schulz at gmail.com>: >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote: >>> The Kopete team, like most other KDE teams, seem to really care what >>> their users need. I really am impressed. >> While I understand where you're coming from - there is always still >> Konversation under KDE. One could argue whether IRC really needs to be >> in an Instant Messenger anyway. If all else fails - one himself can >> pick up the abandoned plugin himself... > > I prefer that all my chats be in one client, regardless of protocol. > LOL, i prefer IRC to be in a seperate program :-P but then again, i'm a very unorganized person -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080827/6c5eef31/attachment.vcf> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080827/6c5eef31/attachment.sig> From admin at asaguiar.med.br Wed Aug 27 16:16:04 2008 From: admin at asaguiar.med.br (Alexandre Aguiar) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:16:04 -0300 Subject: kernel 2.6.22-14 really avoids upgrade to 8.04 entanglements Message-ID: <200808271316.04820@portatil01> Hi, Since I used this to eliminate the locale upgrade problem in two of my machines, I have been able to upgrade Kubuntu smoothly in my notebook and two more desktops. Without any hacking at all. Just to let you know. Thanks for those who sent suggestions. Alexandre -- Alexandre Santos Aguiar, MD, SCT -- business: http://spsconsultoria.com/ personal: http://asaguiar.med.br/ Phone: +55-11-3717-4866 (SP) Phone: +55-21-3717-4866 (RJ) Voicemail: +55-11-2157-6891 (SP) Fax: +55-11-5549-8760 (SP) -- Useless fact for today: A poem written to celebrate a wedding is called a epithalamium. From Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de Wed Aug 27 16:19:38 2008 From: Dexter.Filmore at gmx.de (Dexter Filmore) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:19:38 +0200 Subject: kubuntu won't ping my debian server In-Reply-To: <200808251213.11563.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200808251801.15478.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> <200808251213.11563.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200808271819.38577.Dexter.Filmore@gmx.de> Am Montag, 25. August 2008 18:13:11 schrieb Bruce Marshall: > On Monday 25 August 2008, Dexter Filmore wrote: > > I have no local DNS set up unless m0n0wall provides it - I was told it > > didn't. Question is: when all the debians are up, how do they actually > > resolve their names when there's no DNS around? > > And of course: why doesn't it work from Kubuntu? > > They probably use the /etc/hosts file. Checked - they do, in fact. Which leads me to the next question: did debian enter the hosts itself or did I. > > If you put your local names in that file (on all machines), their addresses > will resolve ok. (assuming you are using static IP addresses) Means if a frioend comes around with a laptop he can't see the machines by names as well. Looks like I need to set up a DNS in my local net, huh? Bind seems overkill to me, is there something simpler? Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? 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If you have a lot of tabs open, and the last tab > > is a web page without a <title> tag in the <head>, Konqueror displays the > > title of the last adjacent tab in the title bar when you are viewing the > > tab with the blank title. > > > > So here is the embarrassment. I was having a discussion regarding GPS in > > cell phones when someone post a URL that is supposed to be authoritative. > > The next > > adjacent tab was a web page entitled "the shit for brains award". I > > looked at this allegedly authoritative page and saw that its title > > appeared to be the aforementioned s4b award, and said so in a responsive > > post impugning the authority of the page. (it had other problems, but I > > no longer have the credibility to critique them.) > > Yikes! You have my heartfelt sympathy. It could have been me... > > Fwiw, I think not putting a <title> tag in a page makes me question the > tech-savviness (if I can use such a word) of the author. For heavens > sakes, even the _worst_ page generator will put one there. It could have been intended as a pop-up or frame. > > I have to say, though, I haven't been able to duplicate it with a simple > file: > <html> > <head></head> > <body> > this is all there is > </body> > </html> > with or without the <head> it generates a title using the filename. So > it's probably not that straightforward. Here is the URL that didn't display a title in konqueror http://www.travelbygps.com/articles/tracking.php > > There's one question that needs to be asked: was the "shit for brains > award" page worth the embarrassment it inadvertently caused? It was an entry in a political blog. > -- > derek -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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Hamra) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:57:36 +0300 Subject: KDE 4.1 personal opinion Message-ID: <48B5A3A0.3080403@gmail.com> since the release of intrepid is not _THAT_ far, and i'm going to do a fresh install when it's out (i think upgrading is probably going to be a pain in **there**, specially since it's going to change KDE3 to KDE4), i decided to install KDE 4.1, and try it out for a couple of months. i'm actually impressed with how beautiful, and much more stable it is than my horrible experience with KDE 4.0 back in gutsy. but still, there is a lot of features missing, some parts actually exist but not used! mainly the get stuff from internet buttons, like the install new widget, and others. i'm surprised why paste in a file browser doesn't work when there is text in clipboard, it used to pop a box asking for a filename to put the text in, and i use this feature quite a lot. plasmoids are pretty, but their real beauty starts when there is dozens maybe hundred plasmoids to choose from, with all sorts of stuff running in them. i caouldn't help but notice, how when running gtk applications (and tk apps like aMSN) the taskbar (called task manager now?) starts losing color, shaky, appearing and disappearing at random, when all gtk windows are minimized, it becomes normal again (see attachment), i have the gtk to qt package for KDE4 and use qtcurve as the style for gtk apps. keyboard extra buttons! they're not working, even print screen. volume uo/down, mute, play/pause, scroll lock (weird, huh?), the other keys were already not working in KDE 3.5.9 (windows based keys), like email, internet,search, my computer, etc... the effects are awesome, and never crashed for me, unlike compiz that gave me hell on both gutsy and hardy. but i think there should be some shortcut to disable effects and enable them all in one click. having effects on, reduces game speeds a lot, and the creen would be a bit fuzzy, i go to desktop settings, and disable effects, and then renable them when done playing. system settings lacks a few stuff, like disks and filesystems, and the sound settings is absolute rubbish, i didnt find anything useful in it, not even a test button! that's all i can think of for now, would love to hear what other fellow users think of KDE 4.1 :-) -- Willy K. 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Glenn On Wednesday 27 August 2008 14:57:36 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > since the release of intrepid is not _THAT_ far, and i'm going to do a > fresh install when it's out (i think upgrading is probably going to be a > pain in **there**, specially since it's going to change KDE3 to KDE4), i > decided to install KDE 4.1, and try it out for a couple of months. > i'm actually impressed with how beautiful, and much more stable it is > than my horrible experience with KDE 4.0 back in gutsy. > but still, there is a lot of features missing, some parts actually exist > but not used! mainly the get stuff from internet buttons, like the > install new widget, and others. > i'm surprised why paste in a file browser doesn't work when there is > text in clipboard, it used to pop a box asking for a filename to put the > text in, and i use this feature quite a lot. > plasmoids are pretty, but their real beauty starts when there is dozens > maybe hundred plasmoids to choose from, with all sorts of stuff running > in them. > i caouldn't help but notice, how when running gtk applications (and tk > apps like aMSN) the taskbar (called task manager now?) starts losing > color, shaky, appearing and disappearing at random, when all gtk windows > are minimized, it becomes normal again (see attachment), i have the gtk > to qt package for KDE4 and use qtcurve as the style for gtk apps. > keyboard extra buttons! they're not working, even print screen. volume > uo/down, mute, play/pause, scroll lock (weird, huh?), the other keys > were already not working in KDE 3.5.9 (windows based keys), like email, > internet,search, my computer, etc... > the effects are awesome, and never crashed for me, unlike compiz that > gave me hell on both gutsy and hardy. but i think there should be some > shortcut to disable effects and enable them all in one click. having > effects on, reduces game speeds a lot, and the creen would be a bit > fuzzy, i go to desktop settings, and disable effects, and then renable > them when done playing. > system settings lacks a few stuff, like disks and filesystems, and the > sound settings is absolute rubbish, i didnt find anything useful in it, > not even a test button! > that's all i can think of for now, > would love to hear what other fellow users think of KDE 4.1 :-) -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Bildiğin ayranı bilmediğin yoğurda değişme -- Atasöz From jim.lemon at unsw.edu.au Thu Aug 28 01:14:44 2008 From: jim.lemon at unsw.edu.au (Jim Lemon) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:14:44 +1000 Subject: Remove wallpaper Message-ID: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> Hi, Looked at the FAQ and some of the archives. While there were a lot of messages about how to jazz up the background, I saw none on how to remove wallpaper. 1) Running Kubuntu 8.04 (I think) 2) Right clicking on the background brings up a dialog with no option to remove the wallpaper. 3) Using the System Settings program has an option (the leftmost button at the bottom of Appearance | Theme Manager), but it appears to be disabled. If I click on any of the other buttons, I get a "This configuration section is already opened in System Settings". Is there just a configuration file I can edit rather than wade through all the GUI stuff that doesn't seem to work? Thanks for any advice. Jim From hensandpat at earthlink.net Thu Aug 28 02:01:08 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:01:08 -0500 Subject: modem usr 5637 Message-ID: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, it works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or higher It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how to install it in Fedora.2.6.23 linux. I tried: system, preference, hardware, keyboard, palm dev, etc or application, sys tools, or system administration, network device control.but no dice!! It's crazy, it was so easy with windows, why not with Fedora or opensusy Suggestions?? From godshatter at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 02:04:52 2008 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:04:52 -0700 Subject: Remove wallpaper In-Reply-To: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> References: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <48B607C4.4010903@yahoo.com> I've got a right-menu option of "Configure Desktop..." that will let you choose no wallpaper as an option. I think I had to install kde-desktop to get that option, though. I think strict Kubuntu wants to route you through the System Settings option on the K-Menu. I just tried System Settings, and the Desktop icon under "Look and Feel" went to the same place that "Configure Desktop..." does on my system. Paul Jim Lemon wrote: > Hi, > Looked at the FAQ and some of the archives. While there were a lot of > messages about how to jazz up the background, I saw none on how to > remove wallpaper. > > 1) Running Kubuntu 8.04 (I think) > 2) Right clicking on the background brings up a dialog with no option to > remove the wallpaper. > 3) Using the System Settings program has an option (the leftmost button > at the bottom of Appearance | Theme Manager), but it appears to be > disabled. If I click on any of the other buttons, I get a "This > configuration section is already opened in System Settings". > > Is there just a configuration file I can edit rather than wade through > all the GUI stuff that doesn't seem to work? Thanks for any advice. > > Jim > > > From mailinglist at endosquid.com Thu Aug 28 04:18:11 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:18:11 -0400 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200808280018.11709.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Wednesday 27 August 2008, John Heinen wrote: > I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, it > works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or higher > It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how to > install it in > Fedora.2.6.23 linux. > I tried: system, preference, hardware, keyboard, palm dev, etc > or application, sys tools, > or system administration, network device control.but no dice!! > It's crazy, it was so easy with windows, why not with Fedora or opensusy > Suggestions?? Probably a good first suggestion is to see if it is seen by the system... lspci will reveal that, and/or less /var/log/dmesg Then, apt-cache search modem reveals lots of software that should "see" the modem, like kppp for KDE... Remember, modems are not being used by a lot of the developers nowadays, so the software might not get worked on as fervently. From jim.lemon at unsw.edu.au Thu Aug 28 05:05:40 2008 From: jim.lemon at unsw.edu.au (Jim Lemon) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:05:40 +1000 Subject: Remove wallpaper In-Reply-To: <48B607C4.4010903@yahoo.com> References: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> <48B607C4.4010903@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B63224.9010904@unsw.edu.au> Paul Rumelhart wrote: > I've got a right-menu option of "Configure Desktop..." that will let you > choose no wallpaper as an option. I think I had to install kde-desktop > to get that option, though. I think strict Kubuntu wants to route you > through the System Settings option on the K-Menu. I just tried System > Settings, and the Desktop icon under "Look and Feel" went to the same > place that "Configure Desktop..." does on my system. > > Thanks for that. I tried to install kde-desktop, but: a) apt-get (which seems to be something like yum) doesn't know what that is and b) when I tried to just install anything KDE that looked like it might be kde-desktop, the install barfed and refused to do it. Any hints? Jim From kassube at gmx.net Thu Aug 28 05:32:21 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:32:21 +0200 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <200808280018.11709.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <200808280018.11709.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <200808280732.21893.kassube@gmx.net> Brendan wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2008, John Heinen wrote: > > It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how > > to install it in > > Fedora.2.6.23 linux. > > Then, > apt-cache search modem I don't think apt-cache works on Fedora - probably it is some rpm command. Maybe it would be better to ask the question on a Fedora list? Other than that, try if it works with Kubuntu: <http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu> Nils From karlok at fastmail.fm Thu Aug 28 05:58:17 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (kk) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:58:17 -0700 Subject: Remove wallpaper In-Reply-To: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> References: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <48B63E79.5000100@fastmail.fm> Jim Lemon wrote: > Hi, > Looked at the FAQ and some of the archives. While there were a lot of > messages about how to jazz up the background, I saw none on how to > remove wallpaper. > > 1) Running Kubuntu 8.04 (I think) > 2) Right clicking on the background brings up a dialog with no option to > remove the wallpaper. Right click -> Configure Desktop -> No picture > 3) Using the System Settings program has an option (the leftmost button > at the bottom of Appearance | Theme Manager), but it appears to be > disabled. If I click on any of the other buttons, I get a "This > configuration section is already opened in System Settings". System Settings -> Desktop -> No picture > Is there just a configuration file I can edit rather than wade through > all the GUI stuff that doesn't seem to work? Thanks for any advice. There is somewhere under ~/.kde, but I don't know where. Karl From jim.lemon at unsw.edu.au Thu Aug 28 07:13:11 2008 From: jim.lemon at unsw.edu.au (Jim Lemon) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:13:11 +1000 Subject: Remove wallpaper In-Reply-To: <48B63E79.5000100@fastmail.fm> References: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> <48B63E79.5000100@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <48B65007.4060807@unsw.edu.au> kk wrote: > Jim Lemon wrote: > >> Hi, >> Looked at the FAQ and some of the archives. While there were a lot of >> messages about how to jazz up the background, I saw none on how to >> remove wallpaper. >> >> 1) Running Kubuntu 8.04 (I think) >> 2) Right clicking on the background brings up a dialog with no option to >> remove the wallpaper. >> > > Right click -> Configure Desktop -> No picture > > >> 3) Using the System Settings program has an option (the leftmost button >> at the bottom of Appearance | Theme Manager), but it appears to be >> disabled. If I click on any of the other buttons, I get a "This >> configuration section is already opened in System Settings". >> > > System Settings -> Desktop -> No picture > Thanks, but there is no "No picture" option in either of these. Jim From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 09:00:37 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:00:37 +0100 Subject: Japanese input on an English installation of Kubuntu 8.04.1 Message-ID: <200808281000.37652.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> This is a cross posting, for which I apologise: but the problem has shifted rather and probably more correctly now belongs here. I am following (or rather, trying to follow) the instructions on <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM/Kubuntu> to enable Japanese text input on my granddaughter's laptop. It has a fresh install of Kubuntu 8.04.1: <quote> For users utilizing different default and input languages (e.g. Chinese input for an English Desktop). Open up Konsole and type: mkdir ~/.xinput.d cp /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/scim-pinyin ~/.xinput.d/default </quote> Pinyin obviously needs appropriately changing, but the contents of the xinit.d directory are: user at localhost:/etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d$ ls all_ALL default-xim ko_KR scim scim-immodule th_TH zh_CN zh_SG default ja_JP none scim-bridge skim th-xim zh_HK zh_TW Several are obviously wrong (e.g. th_TH, which is Thai), but it is less obvious which I must copy. ja_JP is obviously Japanese, but is of the wrong format. scim-immodule _could_ be right I suppose, but again doesn't seem to be the same thing. So how do I interpret this instruction when I am setting up Japanese (ideally both Kana and Kanji)? TIA Lisi From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 11:05:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:05:07 +0300 Subject: Remove wallpaper In-Reply-To: <48B65007.4060807@unsw.edu.au> References: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> <48B63E79.5000100@fastmail.fm> <48B65007.4060807@unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <880dece00808280405l636d7a30g80eecb1e1bca2e6b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/28 Jim Lemon <jim.lemon at unsw.edu.au>: > Thanks, but there is no "No picture" option in either of these. > So make an empty image and set it as the desktop background. You can even make it a hidden file. $ touch .nothinghere.png Now set .nothinghere.png as your background. Note that it is hidden, so you will have to turn on hidden files to see it in the dialog. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 13:00:29 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:00:29 -0300 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808241012n1a34c9e3tc68f909e5704784a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808241039i66f4810ah10a66e156c970434@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/27 Gordon Schulz <gordon.schulz at gmail.com>: >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> The Kopete team, like most other KDE teams, seem to really care what >>> their users need. I really am impressed. >> >> While I understand where you're coming from - there is always still >> Konversation under KDE. One could argue whether IRC really needs to be >> in an Instant Messenger anyway. If all else fails - one himself can >> pick up the abandoned plugin himself... > > I prefer that all my chats be in one client, regardless of protocol. > Fine, but it's linux - do one thing, and do it well. What they should be aiming for is using konversation as a plugin to kopete. For me, it's irrelevant, I've never understood how IRC continues to survive... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 13:07:20 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:07:20 -0300 Subject: saving package list References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <200808261925.39534.mlsoft@videotron.ca> <2683259.qCbWT4JYNx@cedar.serverforest.com> <48B53A16.1020804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2162329.6JI8qL1zYh@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> I post this just about monthly. IF you do installs with aptitude (I >> can't vouch for it working any other way): >> >> aptitude search '~i !~M' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 2 -d ' ' >> >> will return a lovely list of all the _manually_ installed packages - no >> dependencies. >> >> The first part says show the Installed (Manual) packages, 'tr' eliminates >> excess spaces, and cut finds just the second word (the package name). > unfortunately i don't use aptitude, i use apt-get, but now i have a > reason to use aptitude in the upcoming release, i thought the fact that > apt-get these days can autoremove unused dependencies (i heard that it > din't in the past) makes it as good as aptitude, apparently aptitude > still has some more functionalities. I really don't understand why they're different programs. It wouldn't have been that difficult to migrate. > i guess i'll have to dig through the lists and remove the stuff i think > i won't need anymore along with their dependencies and then save the > list. unless there is someone on the list who knows how to do it in a > neater way? See: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-October/009404.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-April/073633.html -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 13:45:36 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:45:36 +0300 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808241012n1a34c9e3tc68f909e5704784a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808241039i66f4810ah10a66e156c970434@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808280645v2aa57c0fm8674fdb2e0b47aa@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/28 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: > Fine, but it's linux - do one thing, and do it well. What they should be > aiming for is using konversation as a plugin to kopete. > And AMSN as a plugin, and run the native windows Yahoo IM client in wine as a plugin, and something similar for ICQ I suppose? The 'one thing' that Kopete does is chat- and it does it well. It supports multiple protocols. > For me, it's irrelevant, I've never understood how IRC continues to > survive... -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 14:01:20 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:01:20 +0200 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808241012n1a34c9e3tc68f909e5704784a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808241039i66f4810ah10a66e156c970434@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20080828140120.GA2460@slug.azmolan> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:00, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote: > For me, it's irrelevant, I've never understood how IRC continues to > survive... What are the alternatives to choose from for large chat rooms empowering big communities based on an open protocol supported by a bazillion of clients suitable for all tastes with lots of servers connected in large networks? -- Gordon. From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 14:23:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:23:27 -0300 Subject: saving package list References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <18bb29490808270440q2468d8f3s703dd4d82668987c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1294098.ZEJMQAvu1H@cedar.serverforest.com> Ulrich Grün wrote: > 2008/8/26 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>: > <----> >> otherwise, is there a way to save a list of packages i manually >> specified to apt? i usually ask for a package and apt automatically >> install dependencies, is there a way to get a list of these packages i >> typed? >> thanks in advance > > > I do it this way: > > dpkg --get-selections > installed-packages-list > > dpkg --set-selections < installed-packages-list (to install again) > > This should be possible in Synaptic and other programmes for > installing of packages as well. You've completely missed the point. We're trying to get _only_ manually installed packages. dpkg has no way to tell whether a package was installed by you, or as a dependency. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 14:25:35 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:25:35 -0300 Subject: automatic update notifer References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <g91mqh$m68$1@ger.gmane.org> <76244547.Fa8ifpHiiM@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808271529.18557.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <4806051.b2WZCWD0HB@cedar.serverforest.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Tuesday 26 August 2008 23:40:27 schreef Derek Broughton: >> I don't use adept-manager, but apt should be running a job daily in any >> case. See /etc/cron.daily/apt (not to mention .../aptitude). What they >> do is controlled by the settings in /etc/apt/conf.d/, and I would expect >> adept-manager to merely set 10periodic (or at least the same keys that I >> have in that file): >> >> APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; >> APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "0"; >> APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; > > > Derek, > > In /etc/cron.daily/apt I have > > UpdateInterval=0 > DownloadUpgradeableInterval=0 > eval $(apt-config shell UpdateInterval APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists > DownloadUpgradeableInterval APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages) > AutocleanInterval=$DownloadUpgradeableInterval > eval $(apt-config shell AutocleanInterval > APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval) UnattendedUpgradeInterval=0 > eval $(apt-config shell UnattendedUpgradeInterval > APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade) > > in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update I have: > > APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; > APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"; > APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; > APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1"; > > Looks OK to me so far? Yes, that looks like it should do what you want. And you had these settings already while it wasn't working? -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 14:28:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:28:10 -0300 Subject: automatic update notifer References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <g91mqh$m68$1@ger.gmane.org> <76244547.Fa8ifpHiiM@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808271529.18557.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48B558DF.40800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1918287.HaXlNpS1k0@cedar.serverforest.com> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > reading through cron file, i noticed the apt cache checks, do you have > package managers running a lot during the day? adept or synaptic or even > apt-get and aptitude in a terminal, do you run these programs a lot? if > any one of them is running, the cron job would not run, since the > package database would be reported in use. I've had that situation often enough - IF you have a working local SMTP you'll get an email from cron, but I'm not sure if you'll ever know with a default Ubuntu setup (and of course, if you don't have "root"'s email directed to somewhere you can read it... -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 14:32:09 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:32:09 -0300 Subject: kernel 2.6.22-14 really avoids upgrade to 8.04 entanglements References: <200808271316.04820@portatil01> Message-ID: <2482704.Lax5iPYLb4@cedar.serverforest.com> Alexandre Aguiar wrote: > Since I used this to eliminate the locale upgrade problem in two of my > machines, I have been able to upgrade Kubuntu smoothly in my notebook and > two more desktops. Without any hacking at all. I'm not sure what your particular problem was, but I had major problems with the 2.6.24 kernels in hardy, too. locales were never an issue, I simply couldn't boot in any reasonable kind of time (10 minutes would do it - even from hibernate). I ended up running hardy for two months on the 2.6.22 kernel, and then upgrading to 2.6.26 from intrepid. There's generally never an absolute requirement for a particular kernel with a particular release of Ubuntu, so feel free to use what works. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 14:41:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:41:13 -0300 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808241012n1a34c9e3tc68f909e5704784a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808241039i66f4810ah10a66e156c970434@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808280645v2aa57c0fm8674fdb2e0b47aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8779669.i3MddlNaqo@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/28 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >> Fine, but it's linux - do one thing, and do it well. What they should be >> aiming for is using konversation as a plugin to kopete. >> > > And AMSN as a plugin, and run the native windows Yahoo IM client in > wine as a plugin, and something similar for ICQ I suppose? Of course it shouldn't be running windows apps as plugins. > The 'one thing' that Kopete does is chat- and it does it well. It > supports multiple protocols. But there _is_ a KDE IRC client, and there _isn't_ - and isn't likely to be - further development of the IRC client in kopete. So why not devote some time to using an appropriate KDE component inside Kopete, so that it then requires minimal future maintenance from the Kopete team? -- derek From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Thu Aug 28 14:51:35 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:51:35 +0200 Subject: automatic update notifer In-Reply-To: <4806051.b2WZCWD0HB@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200808271529.18557.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <4806051.b2WZCWD0HB@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808281651.35688.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Thursday 28 August 2008 16:25:35 schreef Derek Broughton: > > In /etc/cron.daily/apt I have > > > > UpdateInterval=0 > > DownloadUpgradeableInterval=0 > > eval $(apt-config shell UpdateInterval > > APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists DownloadUpgradeableInterval > > APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages) > > AutocleanInterval=$DownloadUpgradeableInterval > > eval $(apt-config shell AutocleanInterval > > APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval) UnattendedUpgradeInterval=0 > > eval $(apt-config shell UnattendedUpgradeInterval > > APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade) > > > > in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update I have: > > > > APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; > > APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"; > > APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; > > APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1"; > > > > Looks OK to me so far? > > Yes, that looks like it should do what you want. And you had these settings > already while it wasn't working? In deed, -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 14:37:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:37:27 -0300 Subject: modem usr 5637 References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5624980.5nMHknFKGP@cedar.serverforest.com> John Heinen wrote: > I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, it > works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or higher > It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how to > install it in > Fedora.2.6.23 linux. > I tried: system, preference, hardware, keyboard, palm dev, etc > or application, sys tools, > or system administration, network device control.but no dice!! > It's crazy, it was so easy with windows, why not with Fedora or opensusy > Suggestions?? Ask on the Fedora lists? Does it work with Ubuntu? -- derek From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Thu Aug 28 14:59:23 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:59:23 +0200 Subject: new machine - new setup Message-ID: <200808281659.23934.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> I get my new machine real soon: a kind of xps shuttle alike box with a small Asus board with onboard video, sound and network. 4 Gb ram, dual quad intel, 500 Gb sata. Plan to install Kubuntu Hardy Heron. I think of partioning mij sata: / 50 Gb primairy (now using 10 Gb) swap 4 Gb (now using 512 Mb with 512 RAM) /home 100 Gb (now using 20 Gb) I plan to run other distro's in Virtual Box. I persume that that takes space from /home, isn't it? rest (346 Gb) as extended partition.(to be able to make another 16 partions max. for later use) Is this a correct setup or do you have other suggestions? Can I copy the /home of my old machine (ubuntu hardy heron) 1 on 1 to the new machine? -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 14:35:02 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:35:02 -0300 Subject: The Konq "feature" you don't want References: <200808261728.05272.art.alexion@verizon.net> <304954648.sk5jIXYGbB@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808271433.06902.art.alexion@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3221987.6GMcHxYqic@cedar.serverforest.com> Art Alexion wrote: >> I have to say, though, I haven't been able to duplicate it with a simple >> file: >> <html> >> <head></head> >> <body> >> this is all there is >> </body> >> </html> >> with or without the <head> it generates a title using the filename. So >> it's probably not that straightforward. > > Here is the URL that didn't display a title in konqueror > http://www.travelbygps.com/articles/tracking.php They've obviously fixed the page - it has a title, now. >> There's one question that needs to be asked: was the "shit for brains >> award" page worth the embarrassment it inadvertently caused? > > It was an entry in a political blog. Then, "no" :-) -- derek From hensandpat at earthlink.net Thu Aug 28 14:59:23 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:59:23 -0500 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <200808280018.11709.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <200808280018.11709.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <48B6BD4B.4060208@earthlink.net> Brendan wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2008, John Heinen wrote: > >> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, it >> works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or higher >> It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how to >> install it in >> Fedora.2.6.23 linux. >> I tried: system, preference, hardware, keyboard, palm dev, etc >> or application, sys tools, >> or system administration, network device control.but no dice!! >> It's crazy, it was so easy with windows, why not with Fedora or opensusy >> Suggestions?? >> > > Probably a good first suggestion is to see if it is seen by the system... > > lspci > will reveal that, and/or > less /var/log/dmesg > > Then, > apt-cache search modem > reveals lots of software that should "see" the modem, like kppp for KDE... > > Remember, modems are not being used by a lot of the developers nowadays, so > the software might not get worked on as fervently. > > Thank you Brendan From hensandpat at earthlink.net Thu Aug 28 15:00:32 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:00:32 -0500 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <200808280732.21893.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <200808280018.11709.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <200808280732.21893.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <48B6BD90.1000804@earthlink.net> Nils Kassube wrote: > Brendan wrote: > >> On Wednesday 27 August 2008, John Heinen wrote: >> >>> It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how >>> to install it in >>> Fedora.2.6.23 linux. >>> >> Then, >> apt-cache search modem >> > > I don't think apt-cache works on Fedora - probably it is some rpm command. > Maybe it would be better to ask the question on a Fedora list? Other than > that, try if it works with Kubuntu: <http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu> > > > Nils > > Thank you Nils From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 14:52:08 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:52:08 -0300 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808241012n1a34c9e3tc68f909e5704784a@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808241039i66f4810ah10a66e156c970434@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080828140120.GA2460@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <1681203.Rj99e2Bhsp@cedar.serverforest.com> Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:00, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote: >> For me, it's irrelevant, I've never understood how IRC continues to >> survive... > What are the alternatives to choose from for large chat rooms empowering > big communities based on an open protocol supported by a bazillion of > clients suitable for all tastes with lots of servers connected in large > networks? The whole concept of "large" chat rooms seems wrong. If you put 500 people in a room, you don't end up with 500 people chatting, you get 100 people in about 30-50 isolated groups and 400 people lurking. So a workable chat design would allow a "main" room, from which people routinely carve out a smaller discussion area that filters out the background noise. It probably needs to be a threaded design, so that it's automatic - when I reply to a specific statement, it creates an implicit conversation. It might even be possible to overlay that on the irc protocol, but without it I find irc unworkable for anything more than a few people. -- derek From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:06:32 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:06:32 +0300 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <8779669.i3MddlNaqo@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808280645v2aa57c0fm8674fdb2e0b47aa@mail.gmail.com> <8779669.i3MddlNaqo@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808280806u4bd1b8a0ya7fcda8d50217878@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/28 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >> And AMSN as a plugin, and run the native windows Yahoo IM client in >> wine as a plugin, and something similar for ICQ I suppose? > > Of course it shouldn't be running windows apps as plugins. We both know that. I was just giving an extreme example to make a point. >> The 'one thing' that Kopete does is chat- and it does it well. It >> supports multiple protocols. > > But there _is_ a KDE IRC client, and there _isn't_ - and isn't likely to > be - further development of the IRC client in kopete. So why not devote > some time to using an appropriate KDE component inside Kopete, so that it > then requires minimal future maintenance from the Kopete team? How about looking at it the other way? There already _is_ a KDE chat client that supports multiple protocols. Why develop a separate app just for IRC? Why shouldn't the Konversation team devote their time to IRC support in Kopete? So much of the Kopete / Konversation code is likely duplicate anyway. If there will be a separate IRC client, why not a separate Jabber client, a separate ICQ client, a separate Yahoo client, a separate MSN client, and a separate AIM client? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From jarrett.andrew at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:09:24 2008 From: jarrett.andrew at gmail.com (Andrew Jarrett) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:09:24 -0400 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808281109.24766.jarrett.andrew@gmail.com> On Tuesday 26 August 2008 01:20:46 pm Willy K. Hamra wrote: > is there a way to get a list of these packages i > typed? Just a thought, but maybe this would help a little: cat ~/.bash_history | grep "apt-get install" | cut -d ' ' -f 4- That's assuming you use "sudo" to install your packages (if you don't change the 4- to be a 3- at the end of the command) and that you don't clear out your .bash_history all of the time. Just a thought, Andrew From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:12:39 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:12:39 +0300 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808280812ue9eb967le5c500d784aed5ef@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/26 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------070603060306070708070606 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > i found a lot of websites explaining how to save the list of installed > packages, to be used after a fresh install for example. there is a lot > of packages that i don't want to install, i can simply delete their > names from the list, but their dependencies will still get installed, > and as far as i understand, apt will consider them manually installed > packages, so i don't think "apt-get autoremove" will remove them, or am > i wrong? in which case, it's all i need to know :P > otherwise, is there a way to save a list of packages i manually > specified to apt? i usually ask for a package and apt automatically > install dependencies, is there a way to get a list of these packages i > typed? > thanks in advance > Willy, what I do is this: I have a text file that is divided into two sections, with a line of dashes between them. The first half of the document is all the packages that I have installed and know that I will want when I upgrade. The second half is experimental stuff that I have not made up my mind about yet. So, for instance, when I wanted to try out Maxima, I added it to the second part of the file, so the file looks like this: """ sudo apt-get install kde kdm knowit sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts kde-i18n-he language-pack-he language-pack-he-base language-pack-kde-he language-pack-kde-he-base culmus xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib xfonts-intl-european msttcorefonts rar automake1.9 build-essential intltool libtool cvs xserver-xgl kpowersave knetworkmanager amarok libxine1-ffmpeg gift firefox mozilla-firefox-locale-he-il mplayer vlc xserver-xgl compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-plugins desktop-effects-kde openssh-server festival libmad0 hunspell myspell-he myspell-en-gb myspell-en-us hspell hspell-gui libdvdcss2 w32codecs festival livemedia-utils ktorrent koffice krename k9copy unrar-free k3b camorama linux-headers-generic gtk-qt-engine mozilla-mplayer kcoloredit powertop unrar audacity whois fusion-icon kchmviewer python -------------------------------- maxima """ When I decide that Maxima is for me, I move it over to the first half of the file. Now when I reinstall, I just run that one big apt-get install command and go make a sandwich. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:16:47 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:16:47 +0300 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <1681203.Rj99e2Bhsp@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080828140120.GA2460@slug.azmolan> <1681203.Rj99e2Bhsp@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/28 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: > The whole concept of "large" chat rooms seems wrong. If you put 500 people > in a room, you don't end up with 500 people chatting, you get 100 people in > about 30-50 isolated groups and 400 people lurking. So a workable chat > design would allow a "main" room, from which people routinely carve out a > smaller discussion area that filters out the background noise. It probably > needs to be a threaded design, so that it's automatic - when I reply to a > specific statement, it creates an implicit conversation. It might even be > possible to overlay that on the irc protocol, but without it I find irc > unworkable for anything more than a few people. So would the idea of 500 people receiving the same email. Why not just post it to a website? The fact is that IRC scales great from one on one chats up to support channels that rival email mailing lists. In fact, that's mostly what I use it for. Additionally, go log into #space when something big happens, like the Phoenix landing. No other environment could provide that experience. It's like sitting in a large room with tens of NASA engineers and other enthusiasts who are only too happy to accommodate newcomers and answer questions. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From karlok at fastmail.fm Thu Aug 28 15:35:13 2008 From: karlok at fastmail.fm (kk) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:35:13 -0700 Subject: Remove wallpaper In-Reply-To: <48B65007.4060807@unsw.edu.au> References: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> <48B63E79.5000100@fastmail.fm> <48B65007.4060807@unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <48B6C5B1.8090606@fastmail.fm> Jim Lemon wrote: > Thanks, but there is no "No picture" option in either of these. There is on my machines. Anyway, the config file is ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc Karl From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:49:55 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:49:55 +0300 Subject: Remove wallpaper In-Reply-To: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> References: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <880dece00808280849v4b084ecdkabe1afdcdf5cf225@mail.gmail.com> Jim, what version of KDE are you using? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 16:01:35 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:01:35 +0300 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <880dece00808280812ue9eb967le5c500d784aed5ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <880dece00808280812ue9eb967le5c500d784aed5ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B6CBDF.2020401@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/26 Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>: >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> --------------070603060306070708070606 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> i found a lot of websites explaining how to save the list of installed >> packages, to be used after a fresh install for example. there is a lot >> of packages that i don't want to install, i can simply delete their >> names from the list, but their dependencies will still get installed, >> and as far as i understand, apt will consider them manually installed >> packages, so i don't think "apt-get autoremove" will remove them, or am >> i wrong? in which case, it's all i need to know :P >> otherwise, is there a way to save a list of packages i manually >> specified to apt? i usually ask for a package and apt automatically >> install dependencies, is there a way to get a list of these packages i >> typed? >> thanks in advance >> > > Willy, what I do is this: > > I have a text file that is divided into two sections, with a line of > dashes between them. The first half of the document is all the > packages that I have installed and know that I will want when I > upgrade. The second half is experimental stuff that I have not made up > my mind about yet. > > So, for instance, when I wanted to try out Maxima, I added it to the > second part of the file, so the file looks like this: > > """ > sudo apt-get install kde kdm knowit sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin > sun-java6-fonts kde-i18n-he language-pack-he language-pack-he-base > language-pack-kde-he language-pack-kde-he-base culmus > xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib xfonts-intl-european > msttcorefonts rar automake1.9 build-essential intltool libtool cvs > xserver-xgl kpowersave knetworkmanager amarok libxine1-ffmpeg gift > firefox mozilla-firefox-locale-he-il mplayer vlc xserver-xgl > compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-extra > compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-plugins desktop-effects-kde > openssh-server festival libmad0 hunspell myspell-he myspell-en-gb > myspell-en-us hspell hspell-gui libdvdcss2 w32codecs festival > livemedia-utils ktorrent koffice krename k9copy unrar-free k3b > camorama linux-headers-generic gtk-qt-engine mozilla-mplayer > kcoloredit powertop unrar audacity whois fusion-icon kchmviewer python > -------------------------------- > maxima > """ > > When I decide that Maxima is for me, I move it over to the first half > of the file. Now when I reinstall, I just run that one big apt-get > install command and go make a sandwich. > thanks to everyone for their ideas. andrew, unfortunatly, my bash history doesn't last that long, and i never touched it's history settings, so can't tell how many commands it stores by default, but i use konsole rather a lot, so i constantly find some old commands i entered are forgotten ( i use ctrl-r most of the time) dotan, i think i'll start using aptitude with intrepid, as it keeps track of manually installed packages, but your idea is a much more organized way to keep track of things, i'm sure i won't remember to put every package i install in the file, but still, better than having nothing, and eventually, i'll get used to it :-) i cleaned my system from almost all the packages i don't want, digging through the installed packages for more unnecessary ones, which i guess is a good enough punishment for my lack of organization, random apt-get sprees, and installing loads of packages at once without bothering to read through them, just because some website suggested so :-P thanks all -- Willy K. 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[snipped] Try (in a terminal): sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop -- Graham Todd From jvr_78 at yahoo.com.ar Thu Aug 28 16:48:19 2008 From: jvr_78 at yahoo.com.ar (Lou) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wireless rtl8187L Message-ID: <324635.98454.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, this is the firsth time that I write in this list, I need help to can use the kubuntu in my PC. I install kubuntu 8.04 in a "Olivetti M530" that have a rtl8187L chip to the device of wifi. i try with all scripts that I found in internet and try too with ndiswrapper, but I only can see all ESSID of wireless, but I can Connect can you helpme ? best Regards Lou ! Yahoo! Cocina Recetas prácticas y comida saludable http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080828140120.GA2460@slug.azmolan> <1681203.Rj99e2Bhsp@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/28 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >> The whole concept of "large" chat rooms seems wrong. If you put 500 >> people in a room, you don't end up with 500 people chatting, you get 100 >> people in >> about 30-50 isolated groups and 400 people lurking. So a workable chat >> design would allow a "main" room, from which people routinely carve out a >> smaller discussion area that filters out the background noise. It >> probably needs to be a threaded design, so that it's automatic - when I >> reply to a >> specific statement, it creates an implicit conversation. It might even >> be possible to overlay that on the irc protocol, but without it I find >> irc unworkable for anything more than a few people. > > So would the idea of 500 people receiving the same email. It's not even similar - the irc "problem" (actually any chat room) is not that 500 people are listening, but that 100 people talk at once. So not that 500 of us get the same email, but that we get our email by digest, all at once. At a party, multiple conversations occur, but you only participate in (at most) 3 at a time - and most people can't even handle 2. Now, my wife insists that my family is insane, because the number of conversations around the dinner table is on the order of n!, where n is the number of people at the dinner table, and I can handle that, but I can't handle it in text. > The fact is that IRC scales great from one on > one chats up to support channels that rival email mailing lists. In > fact, that's mostly what I use it for. You say so, and I've no doubt the protocol works that well, but I'm far from the only person who finds it impossible to follow irc. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 17:06:18 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:06:18 -0300 Subject: automatic update notifer References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200808271529.18557.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <4806051.b2WZCWD0HB@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808281651.35688.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48800879.bNaGod1KqM@cedar.serverforest.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Thursday 28 August 2008 16:25:35 schreef Derek Broughton: >> > in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update I have: >> > >> > APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; >> > APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"; >> > APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; >> > APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1"; >> > >> > Looks OK to me so far? >> >> Yes, that looks like it should do what you want. And you had these >> settings already while it wasn't working? > > In deed, So either the cron job doesn't run, or it doesn't work :-) Try: # apt-config dump | egrep "Update-Package-Lists|Download-Upgradeable" perhaps there's another config file overriding your settings. And check syslog for any cron/anacron errors. Is your system up full-time? If not, is anacron installed and running? -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 17:00:43 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:00:43 -0300 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808280645v2aa57c0fm8674fdb2e0b47aa@mail.gmail.com> <8779669.i3MddlNaqo@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808280806u4bd1b8a0ya7fcda8d50217878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33890461.plMmcsLnCp@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/28 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >> >> But there _is_ a KDE IRC client, and there _isn't_ - and isn't likely to >> be - further development of the IRC client in kopete. So why not devote >> some time to using an appropriate KDE component inside Kopete, so that it >> then requires minimal future maintenance from the Kopete team? > > How about looking at it the other way? There already _is_ a KDE chat > client that supports multiple protocols. Why develop a separate app > just for IRC? Why shouldn't the Konversation team devote their time to > IRC support in Kopete? Actually, that's what I'm saying. They're the ones who'd have to make it function as a kpart. > So much of the Kopete / Konversation code is > likely duplicate anyway. If there will be a separate IRC client, why > not a separate Jabber client, a separate ICQ client, a separate Yahoo > client, a separate MSN client, and a separate AIM client? Strictly there probably should, and there's no reason that each client couldn't be separated. -- derek From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Thu Aug 28 17:18:24 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:18:24 +0200 Subject: automatic update notifer In-Reply-To: <48800879.bNaGod1KqM@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200808281651.35688.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48800879.bNaGod1KqM@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808281918.24809.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Thursday 28 August 2008 19:06:18 schreef Derek Broughton: > # apt-config dump | egrep "Update-Package-Lists|Download-Upgradeable" Derek this gives: APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"; seems to be ok! -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From dotancohen at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 17:27:49 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:27:49 +0300 Subject: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <33890461.plMmcsLnCp@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808280645v2aa57c0fm8674fdb2e0b47aa@mail.gmail.com> <8779669.i3MddlNaqo@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808280806u4bd1b8a0ya7fcda8d50217878@mail.gmail.com> <33890461.plMmcsLnCp@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808281027t3e2b0ea3q2fa21b5229c2c0d3@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/28 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >> How about looking at it the other way? There already _is_ a KDE chat >> client that supports multiple protocols. Why develop a separate app >> just for IRC? Why shouldn't the Konversation team devote their time to >> IRC support in Kopete? > > Actually, that's what I'm saying. They're the ones who'd have to make it > function as a kpart. > I will propose it on BKO. Might save some work. >> So much of the Kopete / Konversation code is >> likely duplicate anyway. If there will be a separate IRC client, why >> not a separate Jabber client, a separate ICQ client, a separate Yahoo >> client, a separate MSN client, and a separate AIM client? > > Strictly there probably should, and there's no reason that each client > couldn't be separated. Shared code. It would be easier to make a dedicated MSN client at this stage by taking Kopete and stripping everything else. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From art.alexion at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 17:48:42 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:48:42 -0400 Subject: The Konq "feature" you don't want In-Reply-To: <3221987.6GMcHxYqic@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808261728.05272.art.alexion@verizon.net> <200808271433.06902.art.alexion@verizon.net> <3221987.6GMcHxYqic@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808281348.43041.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Thursday 28 August 2008 10:35:02 am Derek Broughton wrote: > >> There's one question that needs to be asked: was the "shit for brains > >> award" page worth the embarrassment it inadvertently caused? > > > > It was an entry in a political blog. > > Then, "no" Right, I don't recall if I even read it because I certainly didn't recognize it when I screwed up. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <33890461.plMmcsLnCp@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <200808241247.21376.teeahr1@gmail.com> <880dece00808241139i182d9e55u5e8e3bd0bd226308@mail.gmail.com> <g90ees$gk4$1@ger.gmane.org> <880dece00808270042l722fb058tc225147855b7e800@mail.gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808270816r71837063ib6c237a53497f514@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808270906s22318eek46a4bd249f75910c@mail.gmail.com> <3815440.qkPkTNyIAi@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808280645v2aa57c0fm8674fdb2e0b47aa@mail.gmail.com> <8779669.i3MddlNaqo@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808280806u4bd1b8a0ya7fcda8d50217878@mail.gmail.com> <33890461.plMmcsLnCp@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48B6E547.5070108@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2008/8/28 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >>> But there _is_ a KDE IRC client, and there _isn't_ - and isn't likely to >>> be - further development of the IRC client in kopete. So why not devote >>> some time to using an appropriate KDE component inside Kopete, so that it >>> then requires minimal future maintenance from the Kopete team? >> How about looking at it the other way? There already _is_ a KDE chat >> client that supports multiple protocols. Why develop a separate app >> just for IRC? Why shouldn't the Konversation team devote their time to >> IRC support in Kopete? > > Actually, that's what I'm saying. They're the ones who'd have to make it > function as a kpart. > >> So much of the Kopete / Konversation code is >> likely duplicate anyway. If there will be a separate IRC client, why >> not a separate Jabber client, a separate ICQ client, a separate Yahoo >> client, a separate MSN client, and a separate AIM client? > > Strictly there probably should, and there's no reason that each client > couldn't be separated. something similar to mail and kontact. kontact is an all in one program, but i can simply start only the mail part of it, kmail, if i don't want the rest. i have all these protocols supported by kopete, but i only use msn, i simply don't need them. and even when irc was in kopete, i never used it, i used konversation, i just can't stand having the same program doing multiple things, it just confuses me :-P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <d11e8140808280914v62d7bbcdr6af1df2dfd0e7bb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <d11e8140808280914v62d7bbcdr6af1df2dfd0e7bb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b8d784880808281052rbb066c2sa6f31852cc9f42af@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/28 Mike Shaw <mdshaw89 at gmail.com>: > Lately I've been noticing that KDE(Kubuntu 7.10 - KDE 3.5) seems to crash > upon shutdown quite frequently and wanted to see if anyone else is seeing > this issue? This even will happen when I shutdown all applications first > and then shutdown. It will happen about 30-40% of the time. > > l8r, > > Mike With KDE do you mean kicker and/or programs using kicker? In that case i see that to, kicker, kopete, kmess, kwin and some other KDE programs crashes with a SIGSEGV when i log out, shutdown or reboot. I had this earlier this year but it disappeared over the summer but it's back now. I have tried to rename the .kde dir to start with fresh settings and install debug symbols to get some backtraces but never seen anything that could help to understand why it crashes. / Jonas From mdshaw89 at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 18:00:03 2008 From: mdshaw89 at gmail.com (Mike Shaw) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:00:03 -0400 Subject: KDE(3.5) crashing on shutdown? In-Reply-To: <b8d784880808281052rbb066c2sa6f31852cc9f42af@mail.gmail.com> References: <d11e8140808280914v62d7bbcdr6af1df2dfd0e7bb0@mail.gmail.com> <b8d784880808281052rbb066c2sa6f31852cc9f42af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d11e8140808281100k49377daeyfdaa9dac32c5d359@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com>wrote: > 2008/8/28 Mike Shaw <mdshaw89 at gmail.com>: > > Lately I've been noticing that KDE(Kubuntu 7.10 - KDE 3.5) seems to crash > > upon shutdown quite frequently and wanted to see if anyone else is seeing > > this issue? This even will happen when I shutdown all applications first > > and then shutdown. It will happen about 30-40% of the time. > > > > l8r, > > > > Mike > > With KDE do you mean kicker and/or programs using kicker? In that case > i see that to, kicker, kopete, kmess, kwin and some other KDE programs > crashes with a SIGSEGV when i log out, shutdown or reboot. I had this > earlier this year but it disappeared over the summer but it's back > now. I have tried to rename the .kde dir to start with fresh settings > and install debug symbols to get some backtraces but never seen > anything that could help to understand why it crashes. > > / Jonas > > Its kicker. I would be up for renaming .kde but it happens on a my wife's fresh install also! I can ignore it but that doesn't go over with the wife! ;) Looks like I will have to start actually trying to collect the backtraces and doing something with them now. l8r, Mike -- Ed: This is worse than when he was just stupid! - from "Sitting Ducks" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080828/e354b7ad/attachment.html> From mdshaw89 at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 18:01:05 2008 From: mdshaw89 at gmail.com (Mike Shaw) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:01:05 -0400 Subject: KDE(3.5) crashing on shutdown? In-Reply-To: <d11e8140808281100k49377daeyfdaa9dac32c5d359@mail.gmail.com> References: <d11e8140808280914v62d7bbcdr6af1df2dfd0e7bb0@mail.gmail.com> <b8d784880808281052rbb066c2sa6f31852cc9f42af@mail.gmail.com> <d11e8140808281100k49377daeyfdaa9dac32c5d359@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d11e8140808281101h3e6c5953j7492c37f22b32acc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Mike Shaw <mdshaw89 at gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com>wrote: > >> 2008/8/28 Mike Shaw <mdshaw89 at gmail.com>: >> > Lately I've been noticing that KDE(Kubuntu 7.10 - KDE 3.5) seems to >> crash >> > upon shutdown quite frequently and wanted to see if anyone else is >> seeing >> > this issue? This even will happen when I shutdown all applications >> first >> > and then shutdown. It will happen about 30-40% of the time. >> > >> > l8r, >> > >> > Mike >> >> With KDE do you mean kicker and/or programs using kicker? In that case >> i see that to, kicker, kopete, kmess, kwin and some other KDE programs >> crashes with a SIGSEGV when i log out, shutdown or reboot. I had this >> earlier this year but it disappeared over the summer but it's back >> now. I have tried to rename the .kde dir to start with fresh settings >> and install debug symbols to get some backtraces but never seen >> anything that could help to understand why it crashes. >> >> / Jonas >> >> Its kicker. I would be up for renaming .kde but it happens on a my wife's > fresh install also! I can ignore it but that doesn't go over with the > wife! ;) > > Looks like I will have to start actually trying to collect the backtraces > and doing something with them now. > One last minute thought - will KDE 4.x make this go away??? -- Ed: This is worse than when he was just stupid! - from "Sitting Ducks" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080828/727dc664/attachment.html> From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 28 17:50:46 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:50:46 -0300 Subject: automatic update notifer References: <200808252024.44877.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <200808281651.35688.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48800879.bNaGod1KqM@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808281918.24809.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <2550023.4rUtOIfJ9c@cedar.serverforest.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Thursday 28 August 2008 19:06:18 schreef Derek Broughton: >> # apt-config dump | egrep "Update-Package-Lists|Download-Upgradeable" > > Derek > > this gives: > > APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; > APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"; > > seems to be ok! > So, what about the other questions? -- derek From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 21:18:53 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:18:53 +0200 Subject: KDE(3.5) crashing on shutdown? In-Reply-To: <d11e8140808281101h3e6c5953j7492c37f22b32acc@mail.gmail.com> References: <d11e8140808280914v62d7bbcdr6af1df2dfd0e7bb0@mail.gmail.com> <b8d784880808281052rbb066c2sa6f31852cc9f42af@mail.gmail.com> <d11e8140808281100k49377daeyfdaa9dac32c5d359@mail.gmail.com> <d11e8140808281101h3e6c5953j7492c37f22b32acc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b8d784880808281418n4f9c28a1t8f2e198b3ce103be@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/28 Mike Shaw <mdshaw89 at gmail.com>: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Mike Shaw <mdshaw89 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Jonas Norlander <jonorland at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> 2008/8/28 Mike Shaw <mdshaw89 at gmail.com>: >>> > Lately I've been noticing that KDE(Kubuntu 7.10 - KDE 3.5) seems to >>> > crash >>> > upon shutdown quite frequently and wanted to see if anyone else is >>> > seeing >>> > this issue? This even will happen when I shutdown all applications >>> > first >>> > and then shutdown. It will happen about 30-40% of the time. >>> > >>> > l8r, >>> > >>> > Mike >>> >>> With KDE do you mean kicker and/or programs using kicker? In that case >>> i see that to, kicker, kopete, kmess, kwin and some other KDE programs >>> crashes with a SIGSEGV when i log out, shutdown or reboot. I had this >>> earlier this year but it disappeared over the summer but it's back >>> now. I have tried to rename the .kde dir to start with fresh settings >>> and install debug symbols to get some backtraces but never seen >>> anything that could help to understand why it crashes. >>> >>> / Jonas >>> >> Its kicker. I would be up for renaming .kde but it happens on a my wife's >> fresh install also! I can ignore it but that doesn't go over with the >> wife! ;) >> >> Looks like I will have to start actually trying to collect the backtraces >> and doing something with them now. > > > One last minute thought - will KDE 4.x make this go away??? > Never tried KDE4 so can't say but i suspect it's only happens with KDE3. I never got any good from the backtraces only that it crashes most of the times in one of the QT destructor's. Perhaps it's time to file a bug for this as i'm not the only one struck by this. / Jonas From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Fri Aug 29 00:02:15 2008 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:02:15 -0400 Subject: new machine - new setup In-Reply-To: <200808281659.23934.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200808281659.23934.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48B73C87.5040508@ajinfosearch.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > I get my new machine real soon: > a kind of xps shuttle alike box with a small Asus board with onboard video, > sound and network. > 4 Gb ram, dual quad intel, 500 Gb sata. > Plan to install Kubuntu Hardy Heron. > > I think of partioning mij sata: > / 50 Gb primairy (now using 10 Gb) > swap 4 Gb (now using 512 Mb with 512 RAM) > /home 100 Gb (now using 20 Gb) > > I plan to run other distro's in Virtual Box. I persume that that takes space > from /home, isn't it? > > rest (346 Gb) as extended partition.(to be able to make another 16 partions > max. for later use) > > Is this a correct setup or do you have other suggestions? > Can I copy the /home of my old machine (ubuntu hardy heron) 1 on 1 to the new > machine? There are of course a lot of different ways to do this but 50 gig seems a bit extreme. I've also got a 500 gig Hard drive and I have a 16gb root partition. After installing a *lot* of stuff there is 7.8gb free, still plenty of room for any temp file or large logs. I'd go a bit smaller on that so that you have more room at home, 20-25gb maybe? The swap may be too large also but it's not like you don't have the room. If you install any 32 bit operating system it will only be able to use about 3 gigs anyway. Dan explains it well (see below). Maybe go 2-3 gig on that? Also you have to ask yourself how many virtual machines you will be making and how big each one is. A couple of 20gb machines? 50gb? Dynamic or fixed size? Would you want to make a smaller home and a partition just for them mounted in /etc/fstab at startup? When you create a new vbox you can pick where it goes and yes /home/<username>/.VirtualBox/Machines/ is the default. Just things to ask yourself now since it is a whole lot easier to make partitions than change them later. I don't see why you couldn't copy your old /home to the new puter (don't forget the hidden directories!). I think you would want to install all the programs you would want to use before that though. You might overwrite your old settings when install them later. :-/ It sounds like a pretty sweet box you're getting. Have fun! Dan - http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm Alan -- "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." - author unknown Things I grok: 0 From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Fri Aug 29 05:42:39 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:42:39 -0700 Subject: Remove wallpaper In-Reply-To: <20080828173136.16aa6b5d@graham-desktop> References: <48B5FC04.5010805@unsw.edu.au> <48B63224.9010904@unsw.edu.au> <20080828173136.16aa6b5d@graham-desktop> Message-ID: <200808282242.39349.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Thursday 28 August 2008 09:31:36 am Graham Todd wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:05:40 +1000 > > Jim Lemon <jim.lemon at unsw.edu.au> wrote: > > Thanks for that. I tried to install kde-desktop, but: > > > > a) apt-get (which seems to be something like yum) doesn't know what > > that is and > > b) when I tried to just install anything KDE that looked like it > > might be kde-desktop, the install barfed and refused to do it. > > [snipped] > > Try (in a terminal): > > sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop Are you sure? The response I got was, "E: Invalid operation kubuntu-desktop", however synaptic installed it all perfectly! And I didn't have to try and remember how to phrase the question, just click and install! I'm just setting up a decon's new Dell 1525n for him. We all seem to like using KDE around here so we had to fix his Ubuntu Gnome factory install! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n>< PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 10:06:47 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:06:47 +0300 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 Message-ID: <880dece00808290306n3befd24o4cf4b8275d2468d6@mail.gmail.com> According to the kubuntu.com website, KDE 3.5.10 has been out for a few days for Hardy. However, I still cannot find it in apt-get what package should I install? I am on Hardy. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 10:32:01 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:32:01 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <880dece00808290306n3befd24o4cf4b8275d2468d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00808290306n3befd24o4cf4b8275d2468d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B7D021.7050603@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > According to the kubuntu.com website, KDE 3.5.10 has been out for a > few days for Hardy. However, I still cannot find it in apt-get what > package should I install? I am on Hardy. Thanks. > http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-3.5.10 or set up the repo for backports in your sources.list Sinclair From kassube at gmx.net Fri Aug 29 10:32:08 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:32:08 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <880dece00808290306n3befd24o4cf4b8275d2468d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00808290306n3befd24o4cf4b8275d2468d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808291232.08944.kassube@gmx.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > According to the kubuntu.com website, KDE 3.5.10 has been out for a > few days for Hardy. However, I still cannot find it in apt-get what > package should I install? I am on Hardy. Thanks. You need the hardy-backports repository enabled. Nils From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 10:54:00 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:54:00 +0300 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <48B7D021.7050603@gmail.com> References: <880dece00808290306n3befd24o4cf4b8275d2468d6@mail.gmail.com> <48B7D021.7050603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808290354t665c03bn6816fd8284d4f06@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/29 O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com>: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> According to the kubuntu.com website, KDE 3.5.10 has been out for a >> few days for Hardy. However, I still cannot find it in apt-get what >> package should I install? I am on Hardy. Thanks. >> > http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-3.5.10 > > or set up the repo for backports in your sources.list > Uf, thanks Sinclair. I read the announcement on the Kubuntu site, but did not even open the announcement page and so did not see the instructions. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 12:13:18 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:13:18 +0300 Subject: 3.5.10 Kontact crashing on startup Message-ID: <880dece00808290513s72abbd1w53139ddba07e75c0@mail.gmail.com> I had just upgraded to KDE 3.5.10 and now I cannot start Kontact: hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ kontact QLayout::addChildLayout: layout already has a parent kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::KActionCollection( QObject *parent, const char *name, KInstance *instance ) hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ KCrash: Application 'kontact' crashing... hardy2 at hardy2-laptop:~$ This is a mission-critical app for me. What must I do to start troubleshooting? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From hensandpat at earthlink.net Fri Aug 29 23:41:11 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:41:11 -0500 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <5624980.5nMHknFKGP@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <5624980.5nMHknFKGP@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > John Heinen wrote: > > >> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, it >> works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or higher >> It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how to >> install it in >> Fedora.2.6.23 linux. >> I tried: system, preference, hardware, keyboard, palm dev, etc >> or application, sys tools, >> or system administration, network device control.but no dice!! >> It's crazy, it was so easy with windows, why not with Fedora or opensusy >> Suggestions?? >> > > Ask on the Fedora lists? Does it work with Ubuntu? > It should Derek, once we figure out for linux to recognize the modem, problem is too, that dial-up gets little attention from the programmers., most of the advise on file is outdated From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sat Aug 30 00:37:05 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:37:05 +1000 Subject: Plasma Widget Analog Clock not displaying Message-ID: <200808301037.05721.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> The Analog Clock plasma widget has stopped displaying on my desktop - have deleted and re added, makes no difference. The time as text show, as do the widget controls when I mouse over but the clock face and hands themselves have vanished. Other widgets suchs as the comic one display fine. Any ideas? Thanks, -- Lindsay Mathieson http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From sundar.personal at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 01:21:26 2008 From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:21:26 -0700 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <48B6CBDF.2020401@gmail.com> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <880dece00808280812ue9eb967le5c500d784aed5ef@mail.gmail.com> <48B6CBDF.2020401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <g9a7b7$9d0$1@ger.gmane.org> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > i cleaned my system from almost all the packages i don't want, digging > through the installed packages for more unnecessary ones, which i guess > is a good enough punishment for my lack of organization, random apt-get > sprees, and installing loads of packages at once without bothering to > read through them, just because some website suggested so :-P Willy, I don't think there is anything to worry about. Even if you don't use aptitude, you should be able to achieve what you want. For some reason, I only use apt-get and not aptitude ('cos I am familiar with it), and I like to achieve exactly what you are looking for. Declaratively, what you want is: You want to move from version A to version B (could be, that for a fresh re-install, A = B). You want to: ----------- - Start with a clean install of version B - NOT remove any packages that are part of the default install of version B (safety) - Know what additional packages you installed in version A - List1 - Derive the "top-level" packages that you asked for and not list all the new packages include those installed as dependencies - List2 - Use either List1 or List2 to quickly get Version B as close as possible to the current state of Version A Declaratively this becomes: -------------------------- Amongst the packages currently installed, select those that are not part of the default install - List 1 Amongst List 1, select those that are "orphans" (top-level packages) - List2 To do this, all you need are the standard tools (dpkg, grep cut etc) and deborphan. From the man page: "deborphan finds packages that have no packages depending on them. The default operation is to search only within the libs and oldlibs sections to hunt down unused libraries". If it's not installed you should install deborphan. On the clean install (even if it is a new distro), run dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d ' '> default-list Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) You can do this e.g. by booting the LiveCD of your current (or new) distro. If you use the live-cd, copy default-list to some place on your currently installed version and reboot into your current version. In the current version run dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d ' '> current-list Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) In the current version run deborphan --no-show-section -a > current-top-level cat current-list | grep -vFx -f default-list > new-packages This (new-packages) is List1 cat new-packages| grep -Fx -f current-top-level > packages-to-install This (packages-to-install) is List2 If you want to just install Version B and get it as close to your current state of version A as possible, I would recommend you do the default install, and then install everything in List1 (can also use List2 if you want). If you want to peruse the list of top-level packages you have asked for and installed, that is List2 - you MUST have asked for all these, since they are top-level packages. Note that there MAY be other packages that you had asked for and installed that are not in List2 but are in List1, but do not appear in List2 because they are no longer top-level "orphans" because since then you installed another package that depends on these. Hope this helps. Sundar Nagarajan From hvontres at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 02:02:59 2008 From: hvontres at gmail.com (Hans Henry von Tresckow) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:59 -0700 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <5624980.5nMHknFKGP@cedar.serverforest.com> <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <a7f8874a0808291902maa03136p6216370199c7d6d9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM, John Heinen <hensandpat at earthlink.net> wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> John Heinen wrote: >> >> >>> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, it >>> works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or higher >>> It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how to >>> install it in >>> Fedora.2.6.23 linux. >>> I tried: system, preference, hardware, keyboard, palm dev, etc >>> or application, sys tools, >>> or system administration, network device control.but no dice!! >>> It's crazy, it was so easy with windows, why not with Fedora or opensusy >>> Suggestions?? >>> >> >> Ask on the Fedora lists? Does it work with Ubuntu? >> > It should Derek, once we figure out for linux to recognize the modem, > problem is too, that dial-up gets little attention from the > programmers., most of the advise on file is outdated > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > When you plug it in , what do lsusb and dmesg say? The modem might just show up as a new serial port and act like a regular modem (atxx commands and all) -- Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) From calebegg at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 02:08:40 2008 From: calebegg at gmail.com (Caleb Eggensperger) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:08:40 -0500 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <g9a7b7$9d0$1@ger.gmane.org> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <880dece00808280812ue9eb967le5c500d784aed5ef@mail.gmail.com> <48B6CBDF.2020401@gmail.com> <g9a7b7$9d0$1@ger.gmane.org> Message-ID: <7c2ef8ab0808291908v2157e3a6yee065e0bfc626678@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 20:21, Sundar Nagarajan <sundar.personal at gmail.com> wrote: [...] That was very complicated but worked like a charm. I didn't know about deborphan; it was the missing piece I think. Thanks a lot. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Aug 30 02:17:58 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:17:58 -0400 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <a7f8874a0808291902maa03136p6216370199c7d6d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> <a7f8874a0808291902maa03136p6216370199c7d6d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808292217.58822.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 29 August 2008, Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM, John Heinen <hensandpat at earthlink.net> wrote: > > Derek Broughton wrote: > >> John Heinen wrote: > >>> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, it > >>> works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or higher > >>> It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how to > >>> install it in > >>> Fedora.2.6.23 linux. > >>> I tried: system, preference, hardware, keyboard, palm dev, etc > >>> or application, sys tools, > >>> or system administration, network device control.but no dice!! > >>> It's crazy, it was so easy with windows, why not with Fedora or > >>> opensusy Suggestions?? > >> > >> Ask on the Fedora lists? Does it work with Ubuntu? > > > > It should Derek, once we figure out for linux to recognize the modem, > > problem is too, that dial-up gets little attention from the > > programmers., most of the advise on file is outdated > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > When you plug it in , what do lsusb and dmesg say? The modem might > just show up as a new serial port and act like a regular modem (atxx > commands and all) Maybe you're missing something here (or I am) but if you read this thread: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=354172 people don't seem to have any problems with this modem on the eeePC... Say that it is easier to install on Linux than on XP... Not sure what flavor of Linux the eeepc uses....... 1st post: "I recently purchaced an Eeepc 701 linux wrongly believing it had a modem built in . I live in a remote town and have no access to broadband , Wi-Fi and have poor mobile coverage (wont work inside house).Australian carrier Telstra Bigpond is our only provider (32Kbps). My question is about external modems (not internal unless it is easier!) that will connect to LAN port and suport linux? My nearest neighbours are 200 mtrs away so sharing is out. Is there another way to get wireless without USB SIM input. I have average computer skills so detailed solutions would be appreciated !!! I would like to stick with linux but if XP is required then so be it. Any help or advice greatly appreciated." Next post: Crusty, "although I have broadband, I also wanted an alternative way to connect to the web. So I mail-ordered the US Robotics 56K USB Modem - Model 5637 because the local stores don't have it. It arrived yesterday. Works like a charm. Just plug it in and go. No driver to install :-) Go to Network - Create - Dial-up, select your device*) and enter your Username, Password and number to dial. That's it." Greets from NYC Klaus *) in my case: U.S.Robotics - USB Modem /dev/ttyACMO (the Eee finds it for you - great little machine) From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 30 03:06:03 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:06:03 -0300 Subject: modem usr 5637 References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <5624980.5nMHknFKGP@cedar.serverforest.com> <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1416294.qtoq9z33Xf@cedar.serverforest.com> John Heinen wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> John Heinen wrote: >> >> >>> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, it >>> works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or higher >>> It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how to >>> install it in >>> Fedora.2.6.23 linux. >>> I tried: system, preference, hardware, keyboard, palm dev, etc >>> or application, sys tools, >>> or system administration, network device control.but no dice!! >>> It's crazy, it was so easy with windows, why not with Fedora or opensusy >>> Suggestions?? >>> >> >> Ask on the Fedora lists? Does it work with Ubuntu? >> > It should Derek, once we figure out for linux to recognize the modem, > problem is too, that dial-up gets little attention from the > programmers., most of the advise on file is outdated There's no real reason it "should", but the question was strictly aimed at the fact that you've complained it doesn't work with two distros that have nothing to do with Ubuntu. If you haven't even tried it with Ubuntu, please do, then we can (perhaps) help you. However, you say it works with Linux - so which brand did you get it working with? As for outdated, I'd say that's not true - modems haven't essentially changed in 8-10 years. I was using a 56K modem then (before the end of 2000, anyway), and that's still all you can do with a phone line. They get little attention from developers because they _need_ little attention. -- derek From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 08:09:44 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:09:44 -0400 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <5624980.5nMHknFKGP@cedar.serverforest.com> <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1220083785.16821.14.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 18:41 -0500, John Heinen wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > > John Heinen wrote: > > > > > >> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, it > >> works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or higher > >> It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how to > >> install it in > >> Fedora.2.6.23 linux. > >> I tried: system, preference, hardware, keyboard, palm dev, etc > >> or application, sys tools, > >> or system administration, network device control.but no dice!! > >> It's crazy, it was so easy with windows, why not with Fedora or opensusy > >> Suggestions?? > >> > > > > Ask on the Fedora lists? Does it work with Ubuntu? > > > It should Derek, once we figure out for linux to recognize the modem, > problem is too, that dial-up gets little attention from the > programmers., most of the advise on file is outdated There's always good ole crusty 'wvdial'. That's the swiss army knife for modems. Plus, browse the net for the best init string for your modem. It makes all the difference! Good Luck. Ric From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Aug 30 08:12:13 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:12:13 +0200 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Thursday 28 August 2008 18:57, Derek Broughton wrote: > Now, my wife > insists that my family is insane, because the number of conversations > around the dinner table is on the order of n! If the exclamation mark stands for n factorial your family really is insane, if it is only part of punctuation you're lucky. In my family every one talks to all others and words flowing in opposite directions carry 2 conversations, so I get to the order of n squared [more exactly 2n*(n-1) ] > where n is the number of > people at the dinner table, and I can handle that, I cannot. Perry -- BOFH excuse #78: Yes, yes, its called a design limitation From kassube at gmx.net Sat Aug 30 09:14:01 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:14:01 +0200 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <1220083785.16821.14.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> <1220083785.16821.14.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200808301114.01358.kassube@gmx.net> Ric Moore wrote: > > > John Heinen wrote: > > >> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, > > >> it works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or > > >> higher It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know > > There's always good ole crusty 'wvdial'. That's the swiss army knife > for modems. Plus, browse the net for the best init string for your > modem. It makes all the difference! Good Luck. Ric It is a long time since I used wvdial, but I remember it was quite easy to use. But you probably need to know the device where it can find the modem. From <http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5472895>: | I have a USR 5637 & it works with no fuss at all. Simply | plug the modem into a USB port, point wvdial (or whatever dialer you | use) to /dev/ttyACM0 and you're in business. So "/dev/ttyACM0" is the thing wvdial wants to know. If you prefer a GUI program, kppp is probably what you are looking for. It will sure need to know about the device "/dev/ttyACM0" as well. Nils From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Aug 30 11:02:02 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:02:02 +0200 Subject: Skype replacement Message-ID: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Hi all, A group in which I participate suggested we use Skype to communicate. I would favour an open source replacement as long as it is interoperable with skype. Any advice? Thanks in advance Perry -- BOFH excuse #399: We are a 100% Microsoft Shop From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 11:58:52 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:58:52 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <880dece00808300458wf5ffd0cw233bae51513b3790@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/30 Sylviane et Perry White <spwhite at freesurf.ch>: > Hi all, > > A group in which I participate suggested we use Skype to communicate. > I would favour an open source replacement as long as it is interoperable with > skype. > Any advice? > It doesn't look like you will find a FOSS skype client that will work without having the official Skype program installed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90946 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From ed.lau at mail.ee Sat Aug 30 12:00:49 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:00:49 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <48B93671.6000008@mail.ee> > A group in which I participate suggested we use Skype to communicate. > I would favour an open source replacement as long as it is interoperable with > skype. > Any advice? Ekiga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekiga http://www.google.com/search?q=ekiga From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 12:42:37 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:42:37 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <48B93671.6000008@mail.ee> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B93671.6000008@mail.ee> Message-ID: <880dece00808300542m2ec93af9xf4456b2a630a5d13@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/30 Edmund Laugasson <ed.lau at mail.ee>: >> A group in which I participate suggested we use Skype to communicate. >> I would favour an open source replacement as long as it is interoperable with >> skype. >> Any advice? > > Ekiga: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekiga > http://www.google.com/search?q=ekiga > Is Ekiga now interoperable with Skype? For some reason I don't think so. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 12:46:02 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:46:02 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <48B93671.6000008@mail.ee> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B93671.6000008@mail.ee> Message-ID: <880dece00808300546l45a11192qd36066e940f81628@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/30 Edmund Laugasson <ed.lau at mail.ee>: >> A group in which I participate suggested we use Skype to communicate. >> I would favour an open source replacement as long as it is interoperable with >> skype. >> Any advice? > > Ekiga: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekiga > http://www.google.com/search?q=ekiga > Is Ekiga now interoperable with Skype? For some reason I don't think so. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From ed.lau at mail.ee Sat Aug 30 14:15:09 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:15:09 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <880dece00808300546l45a11192qd36066e940f81628@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B93671.6000008@mail.ee> <880dece00808300546l45a11192qd36066e940f81628@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B955ED.1050305@mail.ee> >>> A group in which I participate suggested we use Skype to communicate. >>> I would favour an open source replacement as long as it is interoperable with >>> skype. >>> Any advice? >> Ekiga: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekiga >> http://www.google.com/search?q=ekiga > Is Ekiga now interoperable with Skype? For some reason I don't think so. There were asked replacement and not interoperability. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 14:18:40 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:18:40 +0300 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <g9a7b7$9d0$1@ger.gmane.org> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <880dece00808280812ue9eb967le5c500d784aed5ef@mail.gmail.com> <48B6CBDF.2020401@gmail.com> <g9a7b7$9d0$1@ger.gmane.org> Message-ID: <48B956C0.9020600@gmail.com> Sundar Nagarajan wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> i cleaned my system from almost all the packages i don't want, digging >> through the installed packages for more unnecessary ones, which i guess >> is a good enough punishment for my lack of organization, random apt-get >> sprees, and installing loads of packages at once without bothering to >> read through them, just because some website suggested so :-P > > Willy, > > I don't think there is anything to worry about. Even if you don't use > aptitude, you should be able to achieve what you want. For some reason, > I only use apt-get and not aptitude ('cos I am familiar with it), and I > like to achieve exactly what you are looking for. > > Declaratively, what you want is: > You want to move from version A to version B (could be, that for a fresh > re-install, A = B). > > You want to: > ----------- > > - Start with a clean install of version B > - NOT remove any packages that are part of the default install of > version B (safety) > > - Know what additional packages you installed in version A - List1 > > - Derive the "top-level" packages that you asked for and not list all > the new packages include those installed as dependencies - List2 > > - Use either List1 or List2 to quickly get Version B as close as > possible to the current state of Version A > > Declaratively this becomes: > -------------------------- > > Amongst the packages currently installed, select those that are not part > of the default install - List 1 > > Amongst List 1, select those that are "orphans" (top-level packages) - List2 > > To do this, all you need are the standard tools (dpkg, grep cut etc) and > deborphan. From the man page: "deborphan finds packages that have no > packages depending on them. The default operation is to search only > within the libs and oldlibs sections to hunt down unused libraries". > If it's not installed you should install deborphan. > > On the clean install (even if it is a new distro), run > dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d ' '> default-list > > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) > > You can do this e.g. by booting the LiveCD of your current (or new) > distro. If you use the live-cd, copy default-list to some place on your > currently installed version and reboot into your current version. > > In the current version run > dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d ' '> current-list > > Note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line) > > In the current version run > deborphan --no-show-section -a > current-top-level > > cat current-list | grep -vFx -f default-list > new-packages > This (new-packages) is List1 > > cat new-packages| grep -Fx -f current-top-level > packages-to-install > This (packages-to-install) is List2 > > If you want to just install Version B and get it as close to your > current state of version A as possible, I would recommend you do the > default install, and then install everything in List1 (can also use > List2 if you want). > > If you want to peruse the list of top-level packages you have asked for > and installed, that is List2 - you MUST have asked for all these, since > they are top-level packages. Note that there MAY be other packages that > you had asked for and installed that are not in List2 but are in List1, > but do not appear in List2 because they are no longer top-level > "orphans" because since then you installed another package that depends > on these. > O..M..G this is amazing! you're a genius Sundar, why don't you put this in a tutorial? ubuntu's wiki or ubuntuforums or something? i must say, from all tutorials i've read aroud the net, this is one of the few that actually makes sense :-P > Hope this helps. > it surely does -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080830/ee8b9e31/attachment.vcf> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080830/ee8b9e31/attachment.sig> From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 14:28:09 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:28:09 +0200 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <48B955ED.1050305@mail.ee> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B93671.6000008@mail.ee> <880dece00808300546l45a11192qd36066e940f81628@mail.gmail.com> <48B955ED.1050305@mail.ee> Message-ID: <f495db580808300728o1bf618e2s91140d9da72c11cd@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edmund Laugasson <ed.lau at mail.ee> wrote: >>>> A group in which I participate suggested we use Skype to communicate. >>>> I would favour an open source replacement as long as it is interoperable with >>>> skype. >>>> Any advice? >>> Ekiga: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekiga >>> http://www.google.com/search?q=ekiga >> Is Ekiga now interoperable with Skype? For some reason I don't think so. > > There were asked replacement and not interoperability. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I have not used them but there is Ekga, Wengophone and Kphone on my computer that I think are skype replacements. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 14:34:59 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:34:59 +0200 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <48B955ED.1050305@mail.ee> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B93671.6000008@mail.ee> <880dece00808300546l45a11192qd36066e940f81628@mail.gmail.com> <48B955ED.1050305@mail.ee> Message-ID: <2cdd5ab10808300734r28d65b83uc09e11b0fd2d4dd2@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edmund Laugasson <ed.lau at mail.ee> wrote: >> Is Ekiga now interoperable with Skype? For some reason I don't think so. > There were asked replacement and not interoperability. Quote: "I would favour an open source replacement as long as it is *interoperable* with skype." -- Greetings, Gordon. From mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 30 14:30:02 2008 From: mickeyboa at sbcglobal.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:30:02 -0400 Subject: EEEpc wireless Message-ID: <48B9596A.1040306@sbcglobal.net> I downloaded the kubuntu-8.10 and I would like to get my eeePC 701 wireless working, is there anyone that has got the wireless working ? The driver in Kubuntu for wireless doesn't work. I got it to work in Fedora 9 with driver madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz , the driver is ath_pci. From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sat Aug 30 14:55:57 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:55:57 +0200 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <880dece00808300542m2ec93af9xf4456b2a630a5d13@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B93671.6000008@mail.ee> <880dece00808300542m2ec93af9xf4456b2a630a5d13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808301655.58259.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 30 August 2008 14:42, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Is Ekiga now interoperable with Skype? For some reason I don't think so. Thanks, I already had it crossed out for that reason. I also found mentions of gizmo and wengophone. If I understand correctly (I'm completely new to this), skype not only offers a non FOSS program that wants to use your machine as a kind of peer to peer relay (and what else?), it also provides a *service*. To keep up with the rest of the group I will have to use this service but I don't know how easy (if possible) it is from another program. Edmund wrote: > There were asked replacement and not interoperability. Oh yes, I did. Let me be more precise, our (translaters/correctors) group need a tool to discuss our work that allows us to be more than 2 or 3 on the line. Knapp wrote: > I have not used them but there is Ekga, Wengophone and Kphone on my > computer that I think are skype replacements. I'll read about Kphone, for some strange reason I like this name :-) Thank you all. If worst comes to worst I guess I won't die from using a non FOSS program. Perry -- BOFH excuse #210: We didn't pay the Internet bill and it's been cut off. From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 14:57:16 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:57:16 -0500 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers Message-ID: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this on this list, however, comcast has decided to limit you to 2GB per month. Now, if I knew this going in, I probably wouldn't be upset, however Comcrap advertised their services as "Unlimited" and for use for such things as "gaming", watching movies, etc, etc. I would urge any of you who are comcast customers to complain to the FTC about false advertising practices. https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ No, this is not a canned email, I'm just fed up with them slowly but surely choking my ability to do what I obtained the services for in the first place! I confirmed this morning that if you use more than 2GB a month in bandwidth they can shut your service off for a year!! -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From hensandpat at earthlink.net Sat Aug 30 15:07:23 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:07:23 -0500 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <1220083785.16821.14.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <5624980.5nMHknFKGP@cedar.serverforest.com> <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> <1220083785.16821.14.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <48B9622B.1030009@earthlink.net> Ric Moore wrote: > On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 18:41 -0500, John Heinen wrote: > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> >>> John Heinen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, it >>>> works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or higher >>>> It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know how how to >>>> install it in >>>> Fedora.2.6.23 linux. >>>> I tried: system, preference, hardware, keyboard, palm dev, etc >>>> or application, sys tools, >>>> or system administration, network device control.but no dice!! >>>> It's crazy, it was so easy with windows, why not with Fedora or opensusy >>>> Suggestions?? >>>> >>>> >>> Ask on the Fedora lists? Does it work with Ubuntu? >>> >>> >> It should Derek, once we figure out for linux to recognize the modem, >> problem is too, that dial-up gets little attention from the >> programmers., most of the advise on file is outdated >> > > There's always good ole crusty 'wvdial'. That's the swiss army knife for > modems. Plus, browse the net for the best init string for your modem. It > makes all the difference! Good Luck. Ric > > > > Thank u all, I have plenty to work with, and I let u know j.h. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 15:17:16 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:17:16 +0300 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this on this list, however, comcast has > decided to limit you to 2GB per month. > > Now, if I knew this going in, I probably wouldn't be upset, however Comcrap > advertised their services as "Unlimited" and for use for such things > as "gaming", watching movies, etc, etc. > > I would urge any of you who are comcast customers to complain to the FTC about > false advertising practices. > https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ > > No, this is not a canned email, I'm just fed up with them slowly but surely > choking my ability to do what I obtained the services for in the first place! > > I confirmed this morning that if you use more than 2GB a month in bandwidth > they can shut your service off for a year!! > that's not what slashdot mentioned, they said it is 250GB a month! -- Willy K. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080830/6d8658e8/attachment.sig> From lists at Tatorz.com Sat Aug 30 15:26:10 2008 From: lists at Tatorz.com (Brian) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> On Sat, August 30, 2008 11:17 am, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >> I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this on this list, however, comcast >> has >> decided to limit you to 2GB per month. > that's not what slashdot mentioned, they said it is 250GB a month! > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net I'll have to second that, dsl reports list the cap at 250gb also. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-250GB-Cap-Goes-Live-October-1-97294 Brian From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sat Aug 30 15:31:21 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:31:21 -0700 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808300831.22017.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Saturday 30 August 2008 07:57:16 am Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > I confirmed this morning that if you use more than 2GB a month in bandwidth > they can shut your service off for a year!! You can and should do it for longer than that! As users leave Comcast in droves even as dull as they are, Comcast will soon see the light! I shut them off 10 years ago and haven't died yet! BTW- I exceded that limit last night about half way through a single download! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n>< PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From kubuntu at neversfelde.de Sat Aug 30 15:33:18 2008 From: kubuntu at neversfelde.de (Christian Mangold) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:33:18 +0200 Subject: EEEpc wireless In-Reply-To: <48B9596A.1040306@sbcglobal.net> References: <48B9596A.1040306@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200808301733.24058.kubuntu@neversfelde.de> Hello, take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC regards Christian -- neversfelde at jabber.neversfelde.de neversfelde on irc.freenode.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080830/e00b3d38/attachment.sig> From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sat Aug 30 15:37:38 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:37:38 +1000 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> Message-ID: <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> This has what to do with Kubuntu? -- Lindsay Mathieson http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sat Aug 30 15:40:14 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:40:14 -0700 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808300840.14695.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Saturday 30 August 2008 08:17:16 am Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > > > I confirmed this morning that if you use more than 2GB a month in > > bandwidth they can shut your service off for a year!! > > that's not what slashdot mentioned, they said it is 250GB a month! That is a little more reasonable but it is still a limit. If you have telephone and television in your package, is its use also included in that limit? Movies are what? 4-5 GB each and they are two hours or so; what would your ten hours per day of television use add up to in a month in used bandwidth? -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n>< PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 15:40:09 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:40:09 +0200 Subject: Gmail goes down hill fast! Message-ID: <f495db580808300840v5cd45e1bud35cbb3bb722d1fd@mail.gmail.com> I tried to send a zip to myself the other day with gmail and got a message saying that for security reason they could not take that attachment. I renamed it to .mov and they took it. What the heck? Who are they protecting and from what? I don't like anyone reading my emails to see if I am sending Zips or not. Is it time to change? Has Gmail gone big brother? Sad, I like that company! I guess they all go to hell when they get big and greedy. I heard they also gave into the communist big brothers too (China). -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From kubuntu.user at bulkmail.letterboxes.org Sat Aug 30 15:40:12 2008 From: kubuntu.user at bulkmail.letterboxes.org (Jeff) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:40:12 +0100 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com>, <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B977EC.8305.1030212@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> On 30 Aug 2008 at 18:17, Willy K. Hamra wrote about: Re: No More downloads for Comcast Customers > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this on this list, however, comcast has > > decided to limit you to 2GB per month. > > that's not what slashdot mentioned, they said it is 250GB a month! > The press this side of the Pond is talking about a 250GB limit, and we are all wondering what sort of luxury that represents! Welcome to the Internet UK style - 15GB per month for about (GBP)£15 per month is what I get charged. Step over the limit and the charges go up astronomically, which they can do because they insist on direct billing to a credit or debit card. I could really do something useful with 250GB per month, eg offer a Tor server, run my own web and email server, instead of having to rely on others to do it for me. That really would be luxury, but actually it is a day-dream. Usage allowances will never get that high in my lifetime! From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 15:40:51 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:40:51 +0200 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <f495db580808300840t636b143an98bccbdaaeca51be@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > This has what to do with Kubuntu? > -- > Lindsay Mathieson > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Ubuntu is among other things for freedom and human rights. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 15:59:30 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:59:30 +0100 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <48B977EC.8305.1030212@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <48B977EC.8305.1030212@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <200808301659.31096.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Saturday 30 August 2008 16:40:12 Jeff wrote: > The press this side of the Pond is talking about a 250GB limit, and > we are all wondering what sort of luxury that represents! I thought that it was a misprint for 25GB when I read it. I find it hard to see such a vast amount of bandwidth as a limit!! I have 25GB a month for £25.00 (~$48), much the same price as Jeff is talking about. And I am "lucky" with my speed. I actually _get_ 8MB a lot of the time!!! Y'all over the other side of said Pond don't know that you are born! Lisi From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sat Aug 30 16:01:55 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:01:55 -0700 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <48B977EC.8305.1030212@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <48B977EC.8305.1030212@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <200808300901.55203.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Saturday 30 August 2008 08:40:12 am Jeff wrote: > On 30 Aug 2008 at 18:17, Willy K. Hamra wrote about: > Re: No More downloads for Comcast Customers > > > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > > I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this on this list, however, > > > comcast has decided to limit you to 2GB per month. > > > > that's not what slashdot mentioned, they said it is 250GB a month! > > The press this side of the Pond is talking about a 250GB limit, and > we are all wondering what sort of luxury that represents! > > Welcome to the Internet UK style - 15GB per month for about (GBP)£15 > per month is what I get charged. Step over the limit and the charges > go up astronomically, which they can do because they insist on direct > billing to a credit or debit card. > > I could really do something useful with 250GB per month, eg offer a > Tor server, run my own web and email server, instead of having to > rely on others to do it for me. That really would be luxury, but > actually it is a day-dream. Usage allowances will never get that high > in my lifetime! Oh I don't know, I remember whole operating systems fitting on a single floppy! Remember how long it took to download a new OS to one with your 300 baud modem? Never say never! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n>< PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 30 15:51:49 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:51:49 -0300 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Thursday 28 August 2008 18:57, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Now, my wife >> insists that my family is insane, because the number of conversations >> around the dinner table is on the order of n! > If the exclamation mark stands for n factorial your family really is > insane, if it is only part of punctuation you're lucky. Factorial. Like, I'm talking to all my sibs and both parents, and they're all doing the same (but n! rather than n**n, because if I talk to my brother and he talks to me, that's usually only one conversation :-) ). > > In my family every one talks to all others and words flowing in opposite > directions carry 2 conversations, so I get to the order of n squared [more > exactly 2n*(n-1) ] > -- derek From kubuntu.user at bulkmail.letterboxes.org Sat Aug 30 16:05:57 2008 From: kubuntu.user at bulkmail.letterboxes.org (Jeff) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:05:57 +0100 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com>, <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com>, <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48B97DF5.17094.11A96B1@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> On 31 Aug 2008 at 1:37, Lindsay Mathieson wrote about: Re: No More downloads for Comcast Customers > This has what to do with Kubuntu? > -- > Lindsay Mathieson Its under the OT tag. You know, that little bit of gossip that helps the world to go round. Without that interwebbley thing, most of us wouldn't even know that Kubuntu existed, let alone that there were others we could talk to about it. Also without it, some might not even know to go and look at www.I-hate-Comcast.com or whatever it is in order to find out more. Jeff From lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au Sat Aug 30 16:06:56 2008 From: lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:06:56 +1000 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <f495db580808300840t636b143an98bccbdaaeca51be@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <f495db580808300840t636b143an98bccbdaaeca51be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808310206.56965.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> On Sunday 31 August 2008 01:40:51 Knapp wrote: > > Ubuntu is among other things for freedom and human rights. Goodie, lets have a good flame fest on Palestine/Israel or something. And yah, some americans being limited to 250GB/Month is a human rights violation -- Lindsay Mathieson http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 16:11:01 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:11:01 +0200 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <200808310206.56965.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <f495db580808300840t636b143an98bccbdaaeca51be@mail.gmail.com> <200808310206.56965.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <f495db580808300911j1b06b591qb238f8fff48e7d3c@mail.gmail.com> n Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Lindsay Mathieson <lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Sunday 31 August 2008 01:40:51 Knapp wrote: >> >> Ubuntu is among other things for freedom and human rights. > > Goodie, lets have a good flame fest on Palestine/Israel or something. > > And yah, some americans being limited to 250GB/Month is a human rights > violation > > > -- > Lindsay Mathieson > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album You guys are missing the point. They said UNLIMITED in before you buy it in their ads and THEN put limits up. Most likely under pressure from movie companies to stop pirates or maybe just basic corporate greed. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 16:15:34 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:15:34 +0200 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <f495db580808300915r183e74bdm546eacad37372e22@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote: > Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > >> On Thursday 28 August 2008 18:57, Derek Broughton wrote: >>> Now, my wife >>> insists that my family is insane, because the number of conversations >>> around the dinner table is on the order of n! >> If the exclamation mark stands for n factorial your family really is >> insane, if it is only part of punctuation you're lucky. > > Factorial. Like, I'm talking to all my sibs and both parents, and they're > all doing the same (but n! rather than n**n, because if I talk to my > brother and he talks to me, that's usually only one conversation :-) ). >> >> In my family every one talks to all others and words flowing in opposite >> directions carry 2 conversations, so I get to the order of n squared [more >> exactly 2n*(n-1) ] >> > > -- > derek > Good GOD am I on a computer listserv or something? I thought this was about Kubuntu? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 16:47:10 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:47:10 -0500 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> Message-ID: <200808301147.10472.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 30 August 2008 10:26:10 am Brian wrote: > On Sat, August 30, 2008 11:17 am, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > >> I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this on this list, however, comcast > >> has > >> decided to limit you to 2GB per month. > > > > that's not what slashdot mentioned, they said it is 250GB a month! > > > > -- > > Willy K. Hamra > > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net > > I'll have to second that, dsl reports list the cap at > 250gb also. > > http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-250GB-Cap-Goes-Live-October-1-97 >294 > > Brian I asked an online rep if the limit was 2GB, and she said that all customers were subject to that restriction.. I heard about the 250GB thing as well, but it takes a lot of downloading to get that far. When I asked about 2 GB, and she said yes, I couldn't believe it. Either the rep who responded to my question was not informed, answered incorrectly, OR they have choked us down to 2 GB. When I read that, I filed the complaint. There's no way I could do what I do in a month and stay under that limit. The real kicker is that the conversation log didn't save as it said, so what I have is all garbeled. UGGH. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 16:59:22 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:59:22 -0500 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <f495db580808300911j1b06b591qb238f8fff48e7d3c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200808310206.56965.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <f495db580808300911j1b06b591qb238f8fff48e7d3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808301159.22284.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 30 August 2008 11:11:01 am Knapp wrote: > n Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Lindsay Mathieson > > <lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Sunday 31 August 2008 01:40:51 Knapp wrote: > >> Ubuntu is among other things for freedom and human rights. > > > > Goodie, lets have a good flame fest on Palestine/Israel or something. > > > > And yah, some americans being limited to 250GB/Month is a human rights > > violation > > > > > > -- > > Lindsay Mathieson > > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album > > You guys are missing the point. They said UNLIMITED in before you buy > it in their ads and THEN put limits up. Most likely under pressure > from movie companies to stop pirates or maybe just basic corporate > greed. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page Exactly. here's the kicker. If the limit truly is being bumped down to 2 GB as the rep told me, there's no way I could continue to download KUBUNTU updates, work from home, use my via-talk phone service, etc. etc. Now, 250GB is still a pain because they advertise Unlimited, but so far I've evidently stayed under that. But paying $61.74 for "Unlimited" access at speeds up to 6Mb/s down, and 512?Kb/s up, and then being told I can only use that "Unlimited" access to download 2GB per month is just wrong. Now, I didn't say this is a "Human Rights" issue, more along the lines of truth in advertising, and legality. Not only that but it threatens my access to Onlline updates, and being able to dowload updated versions of Kubuntu. Why? The cost of violating this "limit" is that they cut off your services for a year. Yep, a year. Verizon's Wireless Internet service is limited to 5GB a month, I think, but they tell you that there is a limit upfront. Quote from page on ExpressCard: "If usage exceeds 5 GB/line/month, we reserve the right to reduce throughput speeds" Also, I would highly suggest any other Comcast customer call 'em up and ask about the limit. I'd rather hear that the rep I had was ignorant of the true limit, didn't pay attention to what I typed clearly, or was just saying that we're all "subject to a limit" generically speaking. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From lists at Tatorz.com Sat Aug 30 17:09:33 2008 From: lists at Tatorz.com (Brian) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: (OT) No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <200808301159.22284.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200808310206.56965.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <f495db580808300911j1b06b591qb238f8fff48e7d3c@mail.gmail.com> <200808301159.22284.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3447.192.168.1.2.1220116173.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> On Sat, August 30, 2008 12:59 pm, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > we're all "subject to a limit" generically speaking. > > -- I would have a rough time with the cap as well.. 2 kids 3 computers. Current: 13.1 Kbit/s / 98.8 Kbit/s (Out / In) Today: 59.4 MB / 1021.1 MB (Out / In) Month: 2.6 GB / 58.1 GB (Out / In) Steam downloads alone for my boys games is 21gb. << OT added to Subject to make others happy. >> From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 17:38:09 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:38:09 -0500 Subject: (OT) No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <3447.192.168.1.2.1220116173.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200808301159.22284.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <3447.192.168.1.2.1220116173.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> Message-ID: <200808301238.09300.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 30 August 2008 12:09:33 pm Brian wrote: > On Sat, August 30, 2008 12:59 pm, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > we're all "subject to a limit" generically speaking. > > > > -- > > I would have a rough time with the cap as well.. 2 kids > 3 computers. > > Current: 13.1 Kbit/s / 98.8 Kbit/s (Out / In) > Today: 59.4 MB / 1021.1 MB (Out / In) > Month: 2.6 GB / 58.1 GB (Out / In) > > Steam downloads alone for my boys games is > 21gb. > > << OT added to Subject to make others happy. >> No kidding, you'd be toast already! I can download 2 GB in half day, easy. The kids play online games on Sites related to their school work, and they do a lot of researching online. I'd be out of the water. I checked again, and all the sites "say" 250GB, which to me, is still not right considering their advertisements. However, I specifically threw out the "2GB" number this morning chatting with Comcast's Tech support, and the response was "Yes, All Comcast customers are subject the the bandwidth limit". It would have been hard for her to mistake that for 2TB, or anything else. My question was: I need to know if I'm subject to the Rediculously low 2GB limit I just read about? (thinking they would correct me with the real limit if it was different than what I quoted). My problem is I can't find another internet provider where I live. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 30 17:52:12 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:52:12 -0300 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> <f495db580808300915r183e74bdm546eacad37372e22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1626489.2IKmxGa8SA@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> > wrote: >> > Good GOD am I on a computer listserv or something? I thought this was > about Kubuntu? And of course it still is - this is about whether it's even worth keeping an IRC client in Kopete. it's just getting a little theoretical :-) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 30 18:00:18 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:00:18 -0300 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <f495db580808300840t636b143an98bccbdaaeca51be@mail.gmail.com> <200808310206.56965.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <f495db580808300911j1b06b591qb238f8fff48e7d3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4310901.3JxAUmeFm2@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > n Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Lindsay Mathieson > <lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> On Sunday 31 August 2008 01:40:51 Knapp wrote: >>> >>> Ubuntu is among other things for freedom and human rights. >> >> Goodie, lets have a good flame fest on Palestine/Israel or something. >> >> And yah, some americans being limited to 250GB/Month is a human rights >> violation > > You guys are missing the point. They said UNLIMITED in before you buy > it in their ads and THEN put limits up. Most likely under pressure > from movie companies to stop pirates or maybe just basic corporate > greed. Nobody's missing the point - it's not a human rights issue. It's a contract problem. You _could_ try suing them, but you'd find that the contract you signed said that they had the right to change the terms to their advantage whenever they want. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 30 18:02:33 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:02:33 -0300 Subject: OT: Re: No More downloads for Comcast Customers References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200808310206.56965.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <f495db580808300911j1b06b591qb238f8fff48e7d3c@mail.gmail.com> <200808301159.22284.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1903437.IMdJltElqh@cedar.serverforest.com> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > The cost of violating this "limit" is that they cut off your > services for a year. Yep, a year. That's the oddest part. Do they really think _anybody_ is going to come back to them after a year? Perhaps there is some legislation that says they can't simply terminate anyone, but they can suspend them. -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 18:10:38 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:10:38 +0300 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <48B977EC.8305.1030212@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com>, <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <48B977EC.8305.1030212@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <48B98D1E.8080707@gmail.com> Jeff wrote: > On 30 Aug 2008 at 18:17, Willy K. Hamra wrote about: > Re: No More downloads for Comcast Customers > >> Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >>> I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this on this list, however, comcast has >>> decided to limit you to 2GB per month. >> that's not what slashdot mentioned, they said it is 250GB a month! >> > The press this side of the Pond is talking about a 250GB limit, and > we are all wondering what sort of luxury that represents! > > Welcome to the Internet UK style - 15GB per month for about (GBP)�15 > per month is what I get charged. Step over the limit and the charges > go up astronomically, which they can do because they insist on direct > billing to a credit or debit card. > > I could really do something useful with 250GB per month, eg offer a > Tor server, run my own web and email server, instead of having to > rely on others to do it for me. That really would be luxury, but > actually it is a day-dream. Usage allowances will never get that high > in my lifetime! > i get 3 GiB per month!!!!!! and i pay around 50 USD for it, and it's 128 kbps! so stop moanig about 250 GiB, it's not exactly unlimited, but virtually unlimited :-P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080830/7d66ecfb/attachment.vcf> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080830/7d66ecfb/attachment.sig> From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 18:13:47 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:13:47 +0300 Subject: OT: Re: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <1903437.IMdJltElqh@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200808310206.56965.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <f495db580808300911j1b06b591qb238f8fff48e7d3c@mail.gmail.com> <200808301159.22284.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <1903437.IMdJltElqh@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <48B98DDB.1020809@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > >> The cost of violating this "limit" is that they cut off your >> services for a year. Yep, a year. > > That's the oddest part. Do they really think _anybody_ is going to come > back to them after a year? Perhaps there is some legislation that says > they can't simply terminate anyone, but they can suspend them. i's obvious they don't want you back! anyone wo downloads 250 Gib in one month, is obviously a very expensive customer costing them tons of money, and so they don't want him! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080830/8c869a80/attachment.vcf> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080830/8c869a80/attachment.sig> From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 30 17:56:53 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:56:53 -0300 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <48B977EC.8305.1030212@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> <200808301659.31096.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> Message-ID: <29773702.LXY62bIsxd@cedar.serverforest.com> Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 30 August 2008 16:40:12 Jeff wrote: >> The press this side of the Pond is talking about a 250GB limit, and >> we are all wondering what sort of luxury that represents! > > I thought that it was a misprint for 25GB when I read it. I find it hard > to > see such a vast amount of bandwidth as a limit!! I have 25GB a month for > £25.00 (~$48), much the same price as Jeff is talking about. And I > am "lucky" with my speed. I actually _get_ 8MB a lot of the time!!! > > Y'all over the other side of said Pond don't know that you are born! "We all" don't actually all get that sort of bandwidth. I am theoretically on an unlimited plan, and speed is generally about 1.5MB/s, but given that bandwidth gets seriously throttled after 100MB or so, I'd be really hardpressed to download an entire DVD monthly. Here in Canada, Telus is cutting mobile customers for using too much of their "unlimited" bandwidth. btw, here, "y'all" is a boat... -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 18:18:23 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:18:23 +0300 Subject: Gmail goes down hill fast! In-Reply-To: <f495db580808300840v5cd45e1bud35cbb3bb722d1fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <f495db580808300840v5cd45e1bud35cbb3bb722d1fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B98EEF.5020706@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: > I tried to send a zip to myself the other day with gmail and got a > message saying that for security reason they could not take that > attachment. I renamed it to .mov and they took it. What the heck? Who > are they protecting and from what? I don't like anyone reading my > emails to see if I am sending Zips or not. Is it time to change? Has > Gmail gone big brother? Sad, I like that company! I guess they all go > to hell when they get big and greedy. I heard they also gave into the > communist big brothers too (China). > did you happen to have an executable inside the zip? gmail have a policy of not allowing the attaching of executables or archives containing executables, but all my friends know that the regular *.mmm files i send are actually *.exe :-P -- Willy K. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080830/6c66eff0/attachment.sig> From ed.lau at mail.ee Sat Aug 30 19:15:19 2008 From: ed.lau at mail.ee (Edmund Laugasson) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:15:19 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <2cdd5ab10808300734r28d65b83uc09e11b0fd2d4dd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B93671.6000008@mail.ee> <880dece00808300546l45a11192qd36066e940f81628@mail.gmail.com> <48B955ED.1050305@mail.ee> <2cdd5ab10808300734r28d65b83uc09e11b0fd2d4dd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> >>> Is Ekiga now interoperable with Skype? For some reason I don't think so. >> There were asked replacement and not interoperability. > Quote: > "I would favour an open source replacement as long as it is *interoperable* with > skype." Then we would ask also other proprietary data formats interopreability (e.g. MS Office formats and OpenDocument). We all know, that only reverse engineering can help here. To whom shall I blame if I encapsulated my important data and/or communication into proprietary protocols and formats, what Skype uses? Same question appears any other proprietary versus open data format/protocol. Guilty is only people itself, who refuses think and understand what the heck is difference between FOSS (free opensource software) and proprietary software (and formats, protocols, standards, etc.). If people feel happy using proprietary software, no one can influence them to change their decisions. Otherwise people call it harassing. People are asking also interoperability between Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org. As long as Microsoft keeps their formats in secret, it is not possible to establish 100% interoperability. The same thing is between Skype and Ekiga. You can organize all your friends to use Ekiga and then you can communicate freely. OoVoo claims to similarity of Skype - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OoVoo - but that is not a program I suggest to use... Certainly, you can try and you are free to decide to use it or not. But this is just my humble opinion, when I don't suggest it. To understand interoperabilities, please see here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software - there are VoIP programs compared and also communication protocols are listed, what each program uses. There you can see, that no one other program cannot interoperable with Skype due to fact, that Skype uses proprietary P2P protocol. You can hit onto column title "Licence" to sort table by licence type. Then you can see all VoIP programs in this table using GPL, LGPL or other FOSS licence. Additional reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_VoIP_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:VoIP_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype - there are a lot of links, some of them may interest... From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 19:54:13 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:54:13 +0200 Subject: Gmail goes down hill fast! In-Reply-To: <48B98EEF.5020706@gmail.com> References: <f495db580808300840v5cd45e1bud35cbb3bb722d1fd@mail.gmail.com> <48B98EEF.5020706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <f495db580808301254k36cae3a7x54c784a2695744db@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com> wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> I tried to send a zip to myself the other day with gmail and got a >> message saying that for security reason they could not take that >> attachment. I renamed it to .mov and they took it. What the heck? Who >> are they protecting and from what? I don't like anyone reading my >> emails to see if I am sending Zips or not. Is it time to change? Has >> Gmail gone big brother? Sad, I like that company! I guess they all go >> to hell when they get big and greedy. I heard they also gave into the >> communist big brothers too (China). >> > did you happen to have an executable inside the zip? gmail have a policy > of not allowing the attaching of executables or archives containing > executables, but all my friends know that the regular *.mmm files i send > are actually *.exe :-P > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net Thanks for the info. It was a wifi.zip driver now know as wifi.mov. LOL. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 19:57:04 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:57:04 +0200 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <1626489.2IKmxGa8SA@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> <f495db580808300915r183e74bdm546eacad37372e22@mail.gmail.com> <1626489.2IKmxGa8SA@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <f495db580808301257i26a0c6d2h141b1d68b23e5eba@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> >> wrote: >>> >> Good GOD am I on a computer listserv or something? I thought this was >> about Kubuntu? > > And of course it still is - this is about whether it's even worth keeping an > IRC client in Kopete. it's just getting a little theoretical :-) > -- > derek Just joking around. That was a very heavy post about table talk. :-) -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 20:04:44 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:04:44 +0300 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808301304l41f3511dt10c981b87af2457c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/30 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: > Factorial. Like, I'm talking to all my sibs and both parents, and they're > all doing the same (but n! rather than n**n, because if I talk to my > brother and he talks to me, that's usually only one conversation :-) ). That's not factorial, that's the sum of 1 to (n-1) conversations, which works out to (n^2)/2. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 20:05:49 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:05:49 +0300 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <1626489.2IKmxGa8SA@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> <f495db580808300915r183e74bdm546eacad37372e22@mail.gmail.com> <1626489.2IKmxGa8SA@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808301305g1023cc26wd125bf2b3c1d1c3f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/30 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: > And of course it still is - this is about whether it's even worth keeping an > IRC client in Kopete. it's just getting a little theoretical :-) Topic better suited to IRC than a mailing list, do you mean to say? :) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From hensandpat at earthlink.net Sat Aug 30 20:28:25 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:28:25 -0500 Subject: wubi In-Reply-To: <48A77FF6.3000402@earthlink.net> References: <48A5C4BE.5030505@earthlink.net> <48A67AC2.1000906@candt.waitrose.com> <48A77FF6.3000402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48B9AD69.1010104@earthlink.net> John Heinen wrote: > alan c wrote: > >> John Heinen wrote: >> >> >>> I like to install ubuntu and wubi, a dvd for ubuntu I have, but none for >>> wubi. >>> I have a dial-up modem and it just doesn't work downloading wubi, >>> know of a vendor?? John H >>> >>> >> wubi is included in the Live CD for Ubuntu (version 8.04 or 8.04.1) an >> dalso in live CD of Kubuntu (8.04 and 8.04.1). >> >> I do not know if it is included in a DVD version, but if the dvd >> version is bootable as a live CD then it probably is included. >> >> To used the live CD with wubi, put the CD into a PC while the PC is >> running Windows, and accept the option to >> 'install into Windows as a Windows application' >> >> > Thanks Alan I shall work on that, John H > > Say Allen is wubi included with most cd's like fedora, open suse. Thanks j.h. From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 30 20:19:49 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:19:49 -0300 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808301304l41f3511dt10c981b87af2457c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1592004.PQf3LYID9Z@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/30 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >> Factorial. Like, I'm talking to all my sibs and both parents, and >> they're all doing the same (but n! rather than n**n, because if I talk to >> my brother and he talks to me, that's usually only one conversation :-) >> ). > > That's not factorial, that's the sum of 1 to (n-1) conversations, > which works out to (n^2)/2. Damn! You're right, and my expensive Math education is doing me no good at all (I _still_ don't know why I went to school for a Math degree to get into computers...) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 30 20:20:27 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:20:27 -0300 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> <f495db580808300915r183e74bdm546eacad37372e22@mail.gmail.com> <1626489.2IKmxGa8SA@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808301305g1023cc26wd125bf2b3c1d1c3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1585949.djXEMuuG8a@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/30 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >> And of course it still is - this is about whether it's even worth keeping >> an >> IRC client in Kopete. it's just getting a little theoretical :-) > > Topic better suited to IRC than a mailing list, do you mean to say? :) LOL. But no... -- derek From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sat Aug 30 20:49:36 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:49:36 -0700 Subject: wubi In-Reply-To: <48B9AD69.1010104@earthlink.net> References: <48A5C4BE.5030505@earthlink.net> <48A77FF6.3000402@earthlink.net> <48B9AD69.1010104@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200808301349.36364.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Saturday 30 August 2008 01:28:25 pm John Heinen wrote: > John Heinen wrote: > > alan c wrote: > >> John Heinen wrote: > >>> I like to install ubuntu and wubi, a dvd for ubuntu I have, but none > >>> for wubi. > >>> I have a dial-up modem and it just doesn't work downloading wubi, > >>> know of a vendor?? John H > >> > >> wubi is included in the Live CD for Ubuntu (version 8.04 or 8.04.1) an > >> dalso in live CD of Kubuntu (8.04 and 8.04.1). > >> > >> I do not know if it is included in a DVD version, but if the dvd > >> version is bootable as a live CD then it probably is included. > >> > >> To used the live CD with wubi, put the CD into a PC while the PC is > >> running Windows, and accept the option to > >> 'install into Windows as a Windows application' > > > > Thanks Alan I shall work on that, John H > > Say Allen is wubi included with most cd's like fedora, open suse. I'd think not as it is a Ubuntu installer! http://wubi-installer.org Wubi (Windows-based Ubuntu Installer) is an official Windows-based free software installer for Ubuntu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu) -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n>< PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 20:55:27 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:55:27 +0300 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <1592004.PQf3LYID9Z@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808301304l41f3511dt10c981b87af2457c@mail.gmail.com> <1592004.PQf3LYID9Z@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808301355g1e6a1afeg933fa923aeefed26@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/30 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2008/8/30 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >>> Factorial. Like, I'm talking to all my sibs and both parents, and >>> they're all doing the same (but n! rather than n**n, because if I talk to >>> my brother and he talks to me, that's usually only one conversation :-) >>> ). >> >> That's not factorial, that's the sum of 1 to (n-1) conversations, >> which works out to (n^2)/2. > > Damn! You're right, and my expensive Math education is doing me no good at > all (I _still_ don't know why I went to school for a Math degree to get > into computers...) Actually, I'm not. It should have been n*(n+1)/2. Young Gauss would be mad. I knew as I posted that I had an error, because n^2 would be odd for an odd n, and thus indivisible evenly by 2. Buy I had to hit that Send button to find the mistake...... A = n/2(a1+an) according to young Gauss (I'm sure you know the story). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Aug 30 21:11:47 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:11:47 -0500 Subject: EEEpc wireless In-Reply-To: <200808301733.24058.kubuntu@neversfelde.de> References: <48B9596A.1040306@sbcglobal.net> <200808301733.24058.kubuntu@neversfelde.de> Message-ID: <48B9B793.3010603@swbell.net> There's also an Ubuntu that is optimized just for the EeePC. http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/index.php5?title=Main_Page I haven't tried it myself yet but have been thinking about it. Would prefer eeeKubuntu but....... I suppose one could always install the KDE desktop after installation. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 21:15:19 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:15:19 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <880dece00808301415j7226c2bend68f7ecdebc51c8c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/30 Sylviane et Perry White <spwhite at freesurf.ch>: > Hi all, > > A group in which I participate suggested we use Skype to communicate. > I would favour an open source replacement as long as it is interoperable with > skype. > Any advice? > > Thanks in advance Perry > Just a few minutes ago on the Kopete-devel list someone mentioned that he got the Skype-Kopete integration working in the KDE 3 version. Go search the archives of that list for details. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From lydia at kde.org Sat Aug 30 21:52:24 2008 From: lydia at kde.org (Lydia Pintscher) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:52:24 +0200 Subject: EEEpc wireless In-Reply-To: <48B9B793.3010603@swbell.net> References: <48B9596A.1040306@sbcglobal.net> <200808301733.24058.kubuntu@neversfelde.de> <48B9B793.3010603@swbell.net> Message-ID: <938b46780808301452m22725575v652796fc13b5c542@mail.gmail.com> I have installed the KDE 4 remix of Hardy on my EeePC. http://array.org/ubuntu/ was very helpful. It provides all the packages you need. No compiling necessary. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher Amarok community manager kde.org - amarok.kde.org - kubuntu.org claimid.com/nightrose From gloonie at earthlink.net Sat Aug 30 23:18:02 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:18:02 -0400 Subject: kfontview problem Message-ID: <200808301918.03030.gloonie@earthlink.net> Has anyone had problems with kfontview in KDE 4.1? I just got a sigsegv 11 when trying to view a font on kde-look.org. For other Truetype fonts, the test text does not display at all. However, I can use all the fonts in printing, etc. TIA, Glenn -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- From news at pointerstop.ca Sat Aug 30 23:24:58 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:24:58 -0300 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808301304l41f3511dt10c981b87af2457c@mail.gmail.com> <1592004.PQf3LYID9Z@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808301355g1e6a1afeg933fa923aeefed26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1896811.NniAo8PDHc@cedar.serverforest.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/30 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> 2008/8/30 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: >>>> Factorial. Like, I'm talking to all my sibs and both parents, and >>>> they're all doing the same (but n! rather than n**n, because if I talk >>>> to my brother and he talks to me, that's usually only one conversation >>>> :-) ). >>> >>> That's not factorial, that's the sum of 1 to (n-1) conversations, >>> which works out to (n^2)/2. >> >> Damn! You're right, and my expensive Math education is doing me no good >> at all (I _still_ don't know why I went to school for a Math degree to >> get into computers...) > > Actually, I'm not. It should have been n*(n+1)/2. Young Gauss would be > mad. yeah, well: "on the order of...". I still remember _something_ from that Math education. Never commit to a number - it's always "on the order of...". -- derek From silentph03nix at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 01:53:41 2008 From: silentph03nix at gmail.com (Silent Ph03nix) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:53:41 -0500 Subject: (OT) No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <200808301238.09300.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200808301159.22284.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <3447.192.168.1.2.1220116173.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> <200808301238.09300.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <944d71fe0808301853v12810f8eh85d17aef76a21671@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Howard Coles Jr. <dhcolesj at gmail.com> wrote: > On Saturday 30 August 2008 12:09:33 pm Brian wrote: >> On Sat, August 30, 2008 12:59 pm, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >> > we're all "subject to a limit" generically speaking. >> > >> > -- >> >> I would have a rough time with the cap as well.. 2 kids >> 3 computers. >> >> Current: 13.1 Kbit/s / 98.8 Kbit/s (Out / In) >> Today: 59.4 MB / 1021.1 MB (Out / In) >> Month: 2.6 GB / 58.1 GB (Out / In) >> >> Steam downloads alone for my boys games is >> 21gb. >> >> << OT added to Subject to make others happy. >> > > No kidding, you'd be toast already! > > I can download 2 GB in half day, easy. The kids play online games on Sites > related to their school work, and they do a lot of researching online. I'd > be out of the water. > > I checked again, and all the sites "say" 250GB, which to me, is still not > right considering their advertisements. However, I specifically threw out > the "2GB" number this morning chatting with Comcast's Tech support, and the > response was "Yes, All Comcast customers are subject the the bandwidth > limit". It would have been hard for her to mistake that for 2TB, or anything > else. My question was: I need to know if I'm subject to the Rediculously > low 2GB limit I just read about? (thinking they would correct me with the > real limit if it was different than what I quoted). > > My problem is I can't find another internet provider where I live. > > -- > See Ya' > Howard Coles Jr. > John 3:16! > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I did a little quick research and found that there apparently IS a 2GB limit on their USENET downloads. Maybe the rep thought you were asking about that limit and not the other limit. Everything else I saw listed 250GB as the limit on standard downloads. HTH ~Ph03nix~ From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 02:01:09 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:01:09 -0500 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <4310901.3JxAUmeFm2@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <f495db580808300911j1b06b591qb238f8fff48e7d3c@mail.gmail.com> <4310901.3JxAUmeFm2@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808302101.09463.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 30 August 2008 01:00:18 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > > n Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Lindsay Mathieson > > > > <lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> On Sunday 31 August 2008 01:40:51 Knapp wrote: > >>> Ubuntu is among other things for freedom and human rights. > >> > >> Goodie, lets have a good flame fest on Palestine/Israel or something. > >> > >> And yah, some americans being limited to 250GB/Month is a human rights > >> violation > > > > You guys are missing the point. They said UNLIMITED in before you buy > > it in their ads and THEN put limits up. Most likely under pressure > > from movie companies to stop pirates or maybe just basic corporate > > greed. > > Nobody's missing the point - it's not a human rights issue. It's a contract > problem. You _could_ try suing them, but you'd find that the contract you > signed said that they had the right to change the terms to their advantage > whenever they want. > -- > derek Yes, you would have to attack on the basis of false and misleading advertising, which would be expensive. And, that's what they are counting on. I did receive confirmation from "Holly Taylor" who works in Rick Germano's area, which is Comcast's Customer Operations staff. The confirmation was that the limit is indeed 250, not 2 as the tech had informed me. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 02:07:38 2008 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:07:38 -0500 Subject: (OT) No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <944d71fe0808301853v12810f8eh85d17aef76a21671@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200808301238.09300.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <944d71fe0808301853v12810f8eh85d17aef76a21671@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808302107.38693.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 30 August 2008 08:53:41 pm Silent Ph03nix wrote: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Howard Coles Jr. <dhcolesj at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Saturday 30 August 2008 12:09:33 pm Brian wrote: > >> On Sat, August 30, 2008 12:59 pm, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > >> > we're all "subject to a limit" generically speaking. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > >> I would have a rough time with the cap as well.. 2 kids > >> 3 computers. > >> > >> Current: 13.1 Kbit/s / 98.8 Kbit/s (Out / In) > >> Today: 59.4 MB / 1021.1 MB (Out / In) > >> Month: 2.6 GB / 58.1 GB (Out / In) > >> > >> Steam downloads alone for my boys games is > >> 21gb. > >> > >> << OT added to Subject to make others happy. >> > > > > No kidding, you'd be toast already! > > > > I can download 2 GB in half day, easy. The kids play online games on > > Sites related to their school work, and they do a lot of researching > > online. I'd be out of the water. > > > > I checked again, and all the sites "say" 250GB, which to me, is still not > > right considering their advertisements. However, I specifically threw > > out the "2GB" number this morning chatting with Comcast's Tech support, > > and the response was "Yes, All Comcast customers are subject the the > > bandwidth limit". It would have been hard for her to mistake that for > > 2TB, or anything else. My question was: I need to know if I'm subject > > to the Rediculously low 2GB limit I just read about? (thinking they > > would correct me with the real limit if it was different than what I > > quoted). > > > > My problem is I can't find another internet provider where I live. > > > > -- > > See Ya' > > Howard Coles Jr. > > John 3:16! > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > I did a little quick research and found that there apparently IS a 2GB > limit on their USENET downloads. Maybe the rep thought you were > asking about that limit and not the other limit. Everything else I > saw listed 250GB as the limit on standard downloads. > > HTH > > ~Ph03nix~ I think you're right, I never do USENET any more, so I had forgotten all about that. I did confirm through a more official source (actually have this email) that the limit was indeed 250GB. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 06:47:35 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:47:35 +0300 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <1896811.NniAo8PDHc@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00808280816i626fcf58n308058a7df1a6f0f@mail.gmail.com> <8358932.gNEOVfKZyZ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808301012.13648.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <4428039.nqCeeFm89y@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808301304l41f3511dt10c981b87af2457c@mail.gmail.com> <1592004.PQf3LYID9Z@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808301355g1e6a1afeg933fa923aeefed26@mail.gmail.com> <1896811.NniAo8PDHc@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <880dece00808302347wc72dc5bl32515190075f11e8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/31 Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca>: > yeah, well: "on the order of...". I still remember _something_ from that > Math education. Never commit to a number - it's always "on the order > of...". Thanks, that's good advice in any situation, not just math. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 07:09:40 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:09:40 +0200 Subject: Broken DVD/Kaffeine player Message-ID: <f495db580808310009k26b10c9q665c224e53a98945@mail.gmail.com> Hello, it seems on upgrade my Kaffeine player is broken. When I play a dvd it pops up with DVD is encrypted etc. I have CSS installed and that is not the real problem. It seems on looking closer that the dvd is now on scd0 and not on cd0 like the program expects and this is making the error. If I change the devidice to the right one the DVD will play just fine but must use VLC to do that, I can't do it in Kaffeine. VLC reports the same problem if I don't change it. So this is a problem somewhere under these players. Any ideas what is going on here? Thanks ALL! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From paul at paulhurley.co.uk Sun Aug 31 08:14:32 2008 From: paul at paulhurley.co.uk (Paul Hurley) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:14:32 +0100 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BA52E8.8040606@paulhurley.co.uk> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------070603060306070708070606 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > i found a lot of websites explaining how to save the list of installed > packages, to be used after a fresh install for example. there is a lot > of packages that i don't want to install, i can simply delete their > names from the list, but their dependencies will still get installed, > and as far as i understand, apt will consider them manually installed > packages, so i don't think "apt-get autoremove" will remove them, or am > i wrong? in which case, it's all i need to know :P > otherwise, is there a way to save a list of packages i manually > specified to apt? i usually ask for a package and apt automatically > install dependencies, is there a way to get a list of these packages i > typed? > thanks in advance > > --=20 > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net > Does anyone know how to derive a list of installed packages directly from the filesystem, not from a working system. My Laptop died recently, and I can extract the hard drive and mount it, but I can't boot that installation. Ideally I'd like to extract the list of installed packages from it to install elsewhere ? Thanks Paul. -- Paul Hurley http://www.paulhurley.co.uk/ The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 08:31:54 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:31:54 -0400 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <200808301114.01358.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> <1220083785.16821.14.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200808301114.01358.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1220171514.16821.109.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 11:14 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > > > John Heinen wrote: > > > >> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, > > > >> it works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or > > > >> higher It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know > > > > There's always good ole crusty 'wvdial'. That's the swiss army knife > > for modems. Plus, browse the net for the best init string for your > > modem. It makes all the difference! Good Luck. Ric > > It is a long time since I used wvdial, but I remember it was quite easy to > use. But you probably need to know the device where it can find the modem. > >From <http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5472895>: > > | I have a USR 5637 & it works with no fuss at all. Simply > | plug the modem into a USB port, point wvdial (or whatever dialer you > | use) to /dev/ttyACM0 and you're in business. > > So "/dev/ttyACM0" is the thing wvdial wants to know. If you prefer a GUI > program, kppp is probably what you are looking for. It will sure need to > know about the device "/dev/ttyACM0" as well. kppp is a great app! I used it until recently when I finally hooked up to HughsNet. Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 08:35:21 2008 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:35:21 -0400 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <200808301114.01358.kassube@gmx.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> <1220083785.16821.14.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200808301114.01358.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1220171721.16821.114.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 11:14 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > > > John Heinen wrote: > > > >> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, > > > >> it works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or > > > >> higher It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know > > > > There's always good ole crusty 'wvdial'. That's the swiss army knife > > for modems. Plus, browse the net for the best init string for your > > modem. It makes all the difference! Good Luck. Ric > > It is a long time since I used wvdial, but I remember it was quite easy to > use. It will ask for the init string. I don't know of many modem apps that have them embedded. So, while you're on the net do a google for your particular init string. If you live in the toolies, you might also have to throttle it down to 28.8, if you fail to connect reliably. > But you probably need to know the device where it can find the modem. > >From <http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5472895>: > > | I have a USR 5637 & it works with no fuss at all. Simply > | plug the modem into a USB port, point wvdial (or whatever dialer you > | use) to /dev/ttyACM0 and you're in business. > > So "/dev/ttyACM0" is the thing wvdial wants to know. If you prefer a GUI > program, kppp is probably what you are looking for. It will sure need to > know about the device "/dev/ttyACM0" as well. Yup, with the proper init string & and know what device to use, there is no reason he shouldn't be chugging along with the modem. Ric From cary at bielenberg.id.au Sun Aug 31 09:54:33 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:54:33 +1000 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <48BA52E8.8040606@paulhurley.co.uk> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <48BA52E8.8040606@paulhurley.co.uk> Message-ID: <48BA6A59.5050304@bielenberg.id.au> Guys, If you copy the contents of "/var/cache/apt/archives" & "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" you should get all the packages installed that are in that directory. If it borks along the way just "sudo apt-get -f install" to fix dependencies. Caveat you have to be on the same *buntu version & have upgraded to current level (apt-get update & apt-get upgrade) Cary Paul Hurley wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> --------------070603060306070708070606 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> i found a lot of websites explaining how to save the list of installed >> packages, to be used after a fresh install for example. there is a lot >> of packages that i don't want to install, i can simply delete their >> names from the list, but their dependencies will still get installed, >> and as far as i understand, apt will consider them manually installed >> packages, so i don't think "apt-get autoremove" will remove them, or am >> i wrong? in which case, it's all i need to know :P >> otherwise, is there a way to save a list of packages i manually >> specified to apt? i usually ask for a package and apt automatically >> install dependencies, is there a way to get a list of these packages i >> typed? >> thanks in advance >> >> --=20 >> Willy K. Hamra >> Manager of Hamra Information Systems >> Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net >> >> > Does anyone know how to derive a list of installed packages directly > from the filesystem, not from a working system. My Laptop died > recently, and I can extract the hard drive and mount it, but I can't > boot that installation. Ideally I'd like to extract the list of > installed packages from it to install elsewhere ? > > Thanks > > Paul. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080831/01a48114/attachment.html> From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sun Aug 31 11:31:20 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:31:20 +0200 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <880dece00808301355g1e6a1afeg933fa923aeefed26@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <1592004.PQf3LYID9Z@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808301355g1e6a1afeg933fa923aeefed26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808311331.21057.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 30 August 2008 22:55, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Actually, I'm not. It should have been n*(n+1)/2. Young Gauss would be mad. > > I knew as I posted that I had an error, because n^2 would be odd for > an odd n, and thus indivisible evenly by 2. Buy I had to hit that Send > button to find the mistake...... > > A = n/2(a1+an) according to young Gauss (I'm sure you know the story). We were both wrong, Me: in my previous post I wrote 2n*(n-1) instead of just n*(n-1) because I was trying to exagerate the figure by considering that A speaks to B and B speaks to A may be counted as 2 conversations. You: It is not n*(n+1)/2 but n*(n-1)/2 How fast can it grow? Best I got was 2 to the power 2n, and that was by considering that any group (subset of n, including the whole group and void group) can have a distinct conversation with any same or different group subset of n. Well, if each hear voices, speak to god or to himself or to nobody or to any subgroup in a group containing a least 9 people, they couldn't hold 9! conversations. :-) cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #310: asynchronous inode failure From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sun Aug 31 11:31:33 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:31:33 +0200 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <2cdd5ab10808300734r28d65b83uc09e11b0fd2d4dd2@mail.gmail.com> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> Message-ID: <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Saturday 30 August 2008 21:15, Edmund Laugasson wrote: [snip] > You can organize all your friends to use Ekiga and then you can communicate > freely [snip] Thanks a lot for all the comments and links you provided (that I snipped). Actually my decision boils down to the single line I quoted from your mail. Either I endorse the suggestion of my group and go SKYPE or I try to convince them to use a FOSS program (be it Ekiga or something else). This group is doing free translations for a cause, I belive they are open minded but I'm not sure I have a right to delay the implementation of a communication tool we whished for by asking them to ponder first on the reasons for the choice of the tool. It is also going way too fast, first mention of SKYPE was on wednesday this week and one guy organised a conference on thursday, which nobody was able to to attend, next is scheduled for monday. At the the beginning I didn't understand enough about that topic, and wondered wether I could do a personal choice, so I posted here. Eventually when I know those people better I will have opportunities do discuss about FOSS and why they should replace SKYPE, but I would have to really study that matter. I keep this mail for further possible use. Perry -- BOFH excuse #10: hardware stress fractures From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 12:03:36 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:03:36 +0300 Subject: OT:Re: No IRC in Kopete for KDE 4.1? In-Reply-To: <200808311331.21057.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <880dece00808240952m3ba3dad9xae32a1ca051d37da@mail.gmail.com> <1592004.PQf3LYID9Z@cedar.serverforest.com> <880dece00808301355g1e6a1afeg933fa923aeefed26@mail.gmail.com> <200808311331.21057.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <880dece00808310503w61f71546ja8758d8593c0429a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/31 Sylviane et Perry White <spwhite at freesurf.ch>: > On Saturday 30 August 2008 22:55, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Actually, I'm not. It should have been n*(n+1)/2. Young Gauss would be mad. >> >> I knew as I posted that I had an error, because n^2 would be odd for >> an odd n, and thus indivisible evenly by 2. Buy I had to hit that Send >> button to find the mistake...... >> >> A = n/2(a1+an) according to young Gauss (I'm sure you know the story). > > We were both wrong, > > Me: > in my previous post I wrote 2n*(n-1) instead of just n*(n-1) because I was > trying to exagerate the figure by considering that A speaks to B and B speaks > to A may be counted as 2 conversations. > > You: > It is not n*(n+1)/2 but n*(n-1)/2 > > > How fast can it grow? > Best I got was 2 to the power 2n, > and that was by considering that any group (subset of n, including the whole > group and void group) can have a distinct conversation with any same or > different group subset of n. > Well, if each hear voices, speak to god or to himself or to nobody or to any > subgroup in a group containing a least 9 people, they couldn't hold 9! > conversations. :-) > > cheers Perry You are right! I was not accounting for the fact that the first person starts 0 conversations. Easy way to look at it: 1 person in a room: 0 conversations 1 person enters the room -> 2 people now in room: ---- 1 new conversation + 0 current conversations = 1 conversation 1 person enters the room -> 3 people now in room: ---- 2 new conversations + 1 current conversations = 3 conversation 1 person enters the room -> 4 people now in room: ---- 3 new conversations + 3 current conversations = 6 conversation You could use mathematical deduction to get to n people in a room having A conversations: A=n*(n-1)/2 for n>=1 Let's double check: n=1 -> A=1*0/2=0 n=2 -> A=2*1/2=1 n=3 -> A=3*2/2=3 n=4 -> A=4*3/2=6 It fits! Another way of looking at it is that the nth person to enter the room adds (n-1) conversations. So you would sum 1,2,...,(n-1). According to Gauss, the sum is A= n/2*(0+(n-1)) = n(n-1)/2 And that's why I should not have been posting at 01:00 instead of sleeping! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 13:48:13 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:48:13 +0300 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <48BA52E8.8040606@paulhurley.co.uk> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <48BA52E8.8040606@paulhurley.co.uk> Message-ID: <48BAA11D.7090600@gmail.com> Paul Hurley wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> --------------070603060306070708070606 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> i found a lot of websites explaining how to save the list of installed >> packages, to be used after a fresh install for example. there is a lot >> of packages that i don't want to install, i can simply delete their >> names from the list, but their dependencies will still get installed, >> and as far as i understand, apt will consider them manually installed >> packages, so i don't think "apt-get autoremove" will remove them, or am >> i wrong? in which case, it's all i need to know :P >> otherwise, is there a way to save a list of packages i manually >> specified to apt? i usually ask for a package and apt automatically >> install dependencies, is there a way to get a list of these packages i >> typed? >> thanks in advance >> >> --=20 >> Willy K. Hamra >> Manager of Hamra Information Systems >> Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net >> > Does anyone know how to derive a list of installed packages directly > from the filesystem, not from a working system. My Laptop died > recently, and I can extract the hard drive and mount it, but I can't > boot that installation. Ideally I'd like to extract the list of > installed packages from it to install elsewhere ? > > Thanks > > Paul. > do you know your partitions well? if so, either use a livecd or some other working linux system (if available) you need to mount the root partition of the non-working system, somewhere, i'll assume you're going to mount at on /media if you have seperate /boot, /usr, /var, /home partitions, mount them with respect to the mounted root partition. that is, mount /home under /media/home and so on, if you don't have seperate partitions then ignore this. after you're done mounting, open a terminal (konsole), and type sudo chroot /media /bin/sh now, you are working inside the mounted system, use dpkg, or the brilliant idea suggested by sundar in this thread to get the list of packages. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080831/5e4f94c1/attachment.sig> From spwhite at freesurf.ch Sun Aug 31 14:50:15 2008 From: spwhite at freesurf.ch (Sylviane et Perry White) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:50:15 +0200 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> On Sunday 31 August 2008 13:31, Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Saturday 30 August 2008 21:15, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > [snip] > > You can organize all your friends to use Ekiga and then you can > > communicate freely I'm not relpying to myself but adding to my previous answer. I hadden't read all the material provided by Edmund at that moment, and just foud out that SKIPE is *known to have a hidden Government Interception Module* This aspect is much more disturbing than than the FLOSS versus proprietary one. Il will inform my group. Thanks again Perry -- BOFH excuse #106: The electrician didn't know what the yellow cable was so he yanked the ethernet out From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Aug 31 15:05:48 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:05:48 -0400 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <f495db580808300840t636b143an98bccbdaaeca51be@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <f495db580808300840t636b143an98bccbdaaeca51be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BAB34C.1000704@verizon.net> Knapp wrote: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Lindsay Mathieson > <lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> This has what to do with Kubuntu? >> -- >> Lindsay Mathieson >> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > Ubuntu is among other things for freedom and human rights. > > That's a stretch... From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 15:47:54 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:47:54 -0400 Subject: Synaptic froze on update Message-ID: <48BABD2A.7030709@gmail.com> I am running Kubuntu 8.0.4 I just went to do an update using Synaptic. It was updating Yelp. It said it was installed. The last message said it was setting up yelp. Then it froze. Nothing is happening. The window is supposed to close when installation is finished but it hasn't closed. I even tried to close the window and it wouldn't close. Any suggestions as to how I can fix this? Eric From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Aug 31 16:02:37 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:02:37 -0500 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <48BAC09D.1040700@swbell.net> Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > On Sunday 31 August 2008 13:31, Sylviane et Perry White wrote: > >> On Saturday 30 August 2008 21:15, Edmund Laugasson wrote: >> [snip] >> >>> You can organize all your friends to use Ekiga and then you can >>> communicate freely >>> > > I'm not relpying to myself but adding to my previous answer. > I hadden't read all the material provided by Edmund at that moment, and just > foud out that SKIPE is > *known to have a hidden Government Interception Module* > > This aspect is much more disturbing than than the FLOSS versus proprietary > one. Il will inform my group. > > > > Thanks again Perry > > I don't quite know how to tell you this. BUT For many years the guys with the Raybans have had the capability to monitor every form of electronic communications anywhere in the world. Get over it. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 16:57:51 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:57:51 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> Message-ID: <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/31 Sylviane et Perry White <spwhite at freesurf.ch>: > On Sunday 31 August 2008 13:31, Sylviane et Perry White wrote: >> On Saturday 30 August 2008 21:15, Edmund Laugasson wrote: >> [snip] >> > You can organize all your friends to use Ekiga and then you can >> > communicate freely > > I'm not relpying to myself but adding to my previous answer. > I hadden't read all the material provided by Edmund at that moment, and just > foud out that SKIPE is > *known to have a hidden Government Interception Module* > Please tell us how you know this. These accusations are made of all proprietary software, including (and especially) the Windows operating system. Even SELinux has been accused of this. Even HARDWARE has been accused of having backdoors. > This aspect is much more disturbing than than the FLOSS versus proprietary > one. Il will inform my group. > Actually, it _is_ the same aspect. When you have the source, even if you yourself cannot read it, you can rest knowing that knowledgeable eyes have gone over the code (assuming a popular enough product). That said, you should google the underhanded C contest and see that these backdoors can exist in FOSS software as well. In any case, Skype is a network application. Always assume that every node along the network is sniffing. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 16:59:53 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:59:53 +0300 Subject: Synaptic froze on update In-Reply-To: <48BABD2A.7030709@gmail.com> References: <48BABD2A.7030709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40808310959h8322870ie14a2c70fc08e31d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/31 Eric <ejazzkatt at gmail.com>: > > I am running Kubuntu 8.0.4 I just went to do an update using Synaptic. > It was updating Yelp. It said it was installed. The last message said it > was setting up yelp. Then it froze. Nothing is happening. The window is > supposed to close when installation is finished but it hasn't closed. I > even tried to close the window and it wouldn't close. > > Any suggestions as to how I can fix this? > > > Eric > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > i've had similar experience in the rare times i used synaptic, it does it's job well, and runs well to the end, and then stops there, whatever it was asked to do, would be already done, even though it doesn't look like it. after that i kill synaptic, i thought it is because i was using KDE4 when i tried it, i never used synaptic in KDE3 to see if it happens in KDE in general, does anyone on the list use synaptic, and can confirm this? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 17:24:13 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:24:13 +0200 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <48B99C47.4050104@mail.ee> <200808311331.33898.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <f495db580808311024j2cd99fbbr27dc03d2b97b171a@mail.gmail.com> The only thing that keeps the government from knowing everything about everything you do is that they don't want to know. If they do you will loose. Think of it this way. How can you stop them from walking into your house when you are not there and replacing part of your computer or the whole thing save the HD?? You would never know and that is just the low tech approach. Thing is they most likely don't care at all what you do. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 17:37:06 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:37:06 +0200 Subject: No More downloads for Comcast Customers In-Reply-To: <48BAB34C.1000704@verizon.net> References: <200808300957.16293.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <48B9647C.3030604@gmail.com> <2562.192.168.1.2.1220109970.squirrel@smtp.tatorz.com> <200808310137.39239.lindsay.mathieson@optusnet.com.au> <f495db580808300840t636b143an98bccbdaaeca51be@mail.gmail.com> <48BAB34C.1000704@verizon.net> Message-ID: <f495db580808311037oc33e317we82faef410ba7e9d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Art Alexion <art.alexion at verizon.net> wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Lindsay Mathieson >> <lindsay.mathieson at optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> This has what to do with Kubuntu? >>> -- >>> Lindsay Mathieson >>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~blackpaw1/album >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >> Ubuntu is among other things for freedom and human rights. >> >> > > > That's a stretch... What does Ubuntu mean? Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'Humanity to others', or 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. The Ubuntu distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 17:41:38 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:41:38 -0400 Subject: Synaptic froze on update In-Reply-To: <15edeae40808310959h8322870ie14a2c70fc08e31d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BABD2A.7030709@gmail.com> <15edeae40808310959h8322870ie14a2c70fc08e31d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BAD7D2.4020507@gmail.com> Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/8/31 Eric <ejazzkatt at gmail.com>: >> I am running Kubuntu 8.0.4 I just went to do an update using Synaptic. >> It was updating Yelp. It said it was installed. The last message said it >> was setting up yelp. Then it froze. Nothing is happening. The window is >> supposed to close when installation is finished but it hasn't closed. I >> even tried to close the window and it wouldn't close. >> >> Any suggestions as to how I can fix this? >> >> >> Eric >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > i've had similar experience in the rare times i used synaptic, it does > it's job well, and runs well to the end, and then stops there, > whatever it was asked to do, would be already done, even though it > doesn't look like it. after that i kill synaptic, i thought it is > because i was using KDE4 when i tried it, i never used synaptic in > KDE3 to see if it happens in KDE in general, does anyone on the list > use synaptic, and can confirm this? > This was the first time that I tried to use Synaptic in KDE 4 (.1). I always used Synaptic with earlier versions of KDE and I never had this problem before. ERIC From kassube at gmx.net Sun Aug 31 17:39:56 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:39:56 +0200 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808311939.56306.kassube@gmx.net> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/31 Sylviane et Perry White <spwhite at freesurf.ch>: > > I'm not relpying to myself but adding to my previous answer. > > I hadden't read all the material provided by Edmund at that moment, > > and just foud out that SKIPE is > > *known to have a hidden Government Interception Module* > > Please tell us how you know this. These accusations are made of all > proprietary software, including (and especially) the Windows operating > system. Even SELinux has been accused of this. Even HARDWARE has been > accused of having backdoors. At least there is some strong indication for it: <http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/113353> Nils From ender8282 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 17:56:51 2008 From: ender8282 at yahoo.com (John Hubbard) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:56:51 -0700 Subject: 'w' Shows 2 users lists one Message-ID: <48BADB63.5090904@yahoo.com> jhubbard at jhubbard-server:~$ w 10:54:48 up 32 days, 2:45, 2 users, load average: 0.32, 0.27, 0.16 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT jhubbard :0 - Mon21 ?xdm? 14:52 0.10s /bin/sh /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc -- /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc Why does the w command list that I have two users currently logged in but only show one. I realize that there are actually many more than 2 users logged in (all users with a uid <1000) but either all or none of them should be shown. -- -john There are only 10 kinds of people, Those who understand binary and those who don't. From kaj at haulrich.net Sun Aug 31 17:57:36 2008 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:57:36 +0200 Subject: Recommendation requested Message-ID: <200808311957.36772.kaj@haulrich.net> My local supermarket has an offer I find quite attractive: Medion Akoya MD 96850 - $900. CPU: Inten Pentium Dual-core T2390 3 GB RAM - 250 GB Harddisk I don't know this brand, so any advice regarding quality etc.will be welcome. Thanks in advance. Kaj Haulrich. -- *** Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer *** ********* Running Linux (Kubuntu 8.04) ********* From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 18:05:07 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:05:07 +0300 Subject: Skype replacement In-Reply-To: <200808311939.56306.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200808301302.03102.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <200808311650.15645.spwhite@freesurf.ch> <880dece00808310957r24087ba8q1e6068535d457e30@mail.gmail.com> <200808311939.56306.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <880dece00808311105w2fe476f7x445170b4886d6fcb@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/31 Nils Kassube <kassube at gmx.net>: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2008/8/31 Sylviane et Perry White <spwhite at freesurf.ch>: >> > I'm not relpying to myself but adding to my previous answer. >> > I hadden't read all the material provided by Edmund at that moment, >> > and just foud out that SKIPE is >> > *known to have a hidden Government Interception Module* >> >> Please tell us how you know this. These accusations are made of all >> proprietary software, including (and especially) the Windows operating >> system. Even SELinux has been accused of this. Even HARDWARE has been >> accused of having backdoors. > > At least there is some strong indication for it: > <http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/113353> > I would say that is more of a network issue than a Skype issue. For that matter, any open source client would be easier to eavesdrop on. Furthermore, if you are downloading your open source client over the network, how do you know that the binary was not tampered with? MD5SUM? Ha! No matter what technology you use, assume always that you are being eavesdropped on. The enemy is listening- whether you are using VOIP, email, or chat, and whether the enemy is Hamas or your own government. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü From sundar.personal at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 18:08:09 2008 From: sundar.personal at gmail.com (Sundar Nagarajan) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:08:09 -0700 Subject: saving package list In-Reply-To: <48BA52E8.8040606@paulhurley.co.uk> References: <48B43B6E.9040502@gmail.com> <48BA52E8.8040606@paulhurley.co.uk> Message-ID: <g9emm3$sej$1@ger.gmane.org> Paul Hurley wrote: > Does anyone know how to derive a list of installed packages directly > from the filesystem, not from a working system. My Laptop died > recently, and I can extract the hard drive and mount it, but I can't > boot that installation. Ideally I'd like to extract the list of > installed packages from it to install elsewhere ? > > Thanks > > Paul. > Paul, if your HDD is OK, and the contents of /var/lib/dpkg is fine, you can mount that directory and run: dpkg --admindir=<DIR> --get-selections | cut -d ' ' -f1 to get the list of packages listed as installed by the dpkg database in <DIR>. Note that <DIR> is a placeholder to be replaced by the directory where you mounted your old /var/lib/dpkg. Also note that the character between single quotes after cut -d is a TAB > (enter it using CRTL-V, CTRL-TAB on the command line). I haven't tried this myself - just found it listed in the dpkg man page. If there are known differences between your old installed version and the version you are running to recover the list of installed packages, it should be fairly easy to run this command with ad without the --admindir option to compare the differences and be convinced that it's working correctly. Sundar From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Sun Aug 31 18:15:12 2008 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:15:12 -0400 Subject: Synaptic froze on update In-Reply-To: <15edeae40808310959h8322870ie14a2c70fc08e31d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BABD2A.7030709@gmail.com> <15edeae40808310959h8322870ie14a2c70fc08e31d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BADFB0.7050304@ajinfosearch.com> Willy Hamra wrote: > 2008/8/31 Eric <ejazzkatt at gmail.com>: >> I am running Kubuntu 8.0.4 I just went to do an update using Synaptic. >> It was updating Yelp. It said it was installed. The last message said it >> was setting up yelp. Then it froze. Nothing is happening. The window is >> supposed to close when installation is finished but it hasn't closed. I >> even tried to close the window and it wouldn't close. >> >> Any suggestions as to how I can fix this? >> >> >> Eric >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > i've had similar experience in the rare times i used synaptic, it does > it's job well, and runs well to the end, and then stops there, > whatever it was asked to do, would be already done, even though it > doesn't look like it. after that i kill synaptic, i thought it is > because i was using KDE4 when i tried it, i never used synaptic in > KDE3 to see if it happens in KDE in general, does anyone on the list > use synaptic, and can confirm this? > I've been using synaptic instead of adept for a few weeks just because I felt like it. I have had no problems whatsoever with any manual install/uninstall/update. I am still using adept for my automatic updates though. Running Kubuntu 8.04 & kde 3.5.9 Alan -- "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." - author unknown Things I grok: 0 From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sun Aug 31 18:47:34 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:47:34 +0200 Subject: which iso? Message-ID: <200808312047.34782.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> I have a new machine with an Asus P5GC-MX/1333 motherboard, Intel Core 2 Duo, and 2x2Gb DDR2 DIMM ram Should I download the iso for 64bit AMD/Intel in this case? And needing Kmail and Firefox and Openoffice.org, Digikam, Kooka and Amarok as mission pritical apps is it wise already to choose voor KDE 4 or remain in the KDE 3. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From peterklaassen at quicknet.nl Sun Aug 31 18:51:41 2008 From: peterklaassen at quicknet.nl (Peter Klaassen) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:51:41 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <200808291232.08944.kassube@gmx.net> References: <880dece00808290306n3befd24o4cf4b8275d2468d6@mail.gmail.com> <200808291232.08944.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200808312051.41946.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Op Friday 29 August 2008 12:32:08 schreef Nils Kassube: > You need the hardy-backports repository enabled. What is it's url. I see only main, universe, restricted and multiverse. -- Peter Registered Linux user # 458207 From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 19:03:39 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:03:39 +0300 Subject: which iso? In-Reply-To: <200808312047.34782.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <200808312047.34782.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48BAEB0B.1020106@gmail.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > I have a new machine with an Asus P5GC-MX/1333 motherboard, > Intel Core 2 Duo, and 2x2Gb DDR2 DIMM ram > Should I download the iso for 64bit AMD/Intel in this case? > And needing Kmail and Firefox and Openoffice.org, Digikam, Kooka > and Amarok as mission pritical apps is it wise > already to choose voor KDE 4 or remain in the KDE 3. > i advise you to stick to 32-bit versions. as for which KDE, KDE3 is more stable. 64-bit systems won't bring you much advantage over 32-bit for the regular day to day work, and KDE4 with all it's beauty, will still crash sometimes. OpenOffice, firefox, and amarok works excellently on KDE4, never tried kmail and digikam, but kooka works good. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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Hamra) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:10:44 +0300 Subject: KDE 3.5.10 In-Reply-To: <200808312051.41946.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> References: <880dece00808290306n3befd24o4cf4b8275d2468d6@mail.gmail.com> <200808291232.08944.kassube@gmx.net> <200808312051.41946.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> Message-ID: <48BAECB4.4080602@gmail.com> Peter Klaassen wrote: > Op Friday 29 August 2008 12:32:08 schreef Nils Kassube: >> You need the hardy-backports repository enabled. > > What is it's url. I see only main, universe, restricted and multiverse. > either choose the unsupported checkbox in adept, or add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-backports main universe multiverse restricted for more info, visit this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:21:22 +0300 Subject: KDE 4.1 Plasmoids comile problem Message-ID: <48BAEF32.9030405@gmail.com> I'm trying to add a few plasmoids from around the net, but i can't seem to be able to compile any! i always get an error message similar to this one: willy at server1:~/plasmoid$ sudo cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4/ . -- Found Qt-Version 4.4.0 (using /usr/bin/qmake) -- Found X11: /usr/lib/libX11.so -- Found Automoc4: /usr/bin/automoc4 -- Found Perl: /usr/bin/perl -- Found KDE 4.1 include dir: /usr/lib/kde4/include -- Found KDE 4.1 library dir: /usr/lib/kde4/lib -- Found KDE4 kconfig_compiler preprocessor: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kconfig_compiler -- Found automoc4: /usr/bin/automoc4 CMake Error at /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:53 (MESSAGE): Could not find REQUIRED package Plasma Call Stack (most recent call first): /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPlasma.cmake:30 (FIND_PACKAGE_HANDLE_STANDARD_ARGS) CMakeLists.txt:6 (find_package) -- Configuring done what is this REQUIRED package Plasma? is there any special plasma development packages? -- Willy K. 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I think that may be the problem. So sudo apt-get install libplasma-dev and perhaps: sudo apt-get install libphonon-dev HTH, Glenn On Sunday 31 August 2008 15:21:22 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > I'm trying to add a few plasmoids from around the net, but i can't seem > to be able to compile any! > i always get an error message similar to this one: > > willy at server1:~/plasmoid$ sudo cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4/ > . -- Found Qt-Version 4.4.0 (using /usr/bin/qmake) > -- Found X11: /usr/lib/libX11.so > -- Found Automoc4: /usr/bin/automoc4 > -- Found Perl: /usr/bin/perl > -- Found KDE 4.1 include dir: /usr/lib/kde4/include > -- Found KDE 4.1 library dir: /usr/lib/kde4/lib > -- Found KDE4 kconfig_compiler preprocessor: > /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kconfig_compiler > -- Found automoc4: /usr/bin/automoc4 > > CMake Error at > /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.c >make:53 (MESSAGE): > Could not find REQUIRED package Plasma > > Call Stack (most recent call first): > > /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPlasma.cmake:30 > (FIND_PACKAGE_HANDLE_STANDARD_ARGS) > CMakeLists.txt:6 (find_package) > > > > -- Configuring done > > what is this REQUIRED package Plasma? is there any special plasma > development packages? -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080831/63210cdc/attachment.html> From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 19:49:07 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:49:07 +0300 Subject: KDE 4.1 Plasmoids comile problem In-Reply-To: <200808311541.20984.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <48BAEF32.9030405@gmail.com> <200808311541.20984.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48BAF5B3.4010906@gmail.com> Glenn R Williams wrote: > Willie, > > Do you have libplasma-dev installed? I think that may be the problem. So > > sudo apt-get install libplasma-dev > > and perhaps: > > sudo apt-get install libphonon-dev > > HTH, > > Glenn > > On Sunday 31 August 2008 15:21:22 Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> I'm trying to add a few plasmoids from around the net, but i can't seem >> to be able to compile any! >> i always get an error message similar to this one: >> >> willy at server1:~/plasmoid$ sudo cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4/ >> . -- Found Qt-Version 4.4.0 (using /usr/bin/qmake) >> -- Found X11: /usr/lib/libX11.so >> -- Found Automoc4: /usr/bin/automoc4 >> -- Found Perl: /usr/bin/perl >> -- Found KDE 4.1 include dir: /usr/lib/kde4/include >> -- Found KDE 4.1 library dir: /usr/lib/kde4/lib >> -- Found KDE4 kconfig_compiler preprocessor: >> /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kconfig_compiler >> -- Found automoc4: /usr/bin/automoc4 >> >> CMake Error at >> /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.c >> make:53 (MESSAGE): >> Could not find REQUIRED package Plasma >> >> Call Stack (most recent call first): >> >> /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPlasma.cmake:30 >> (FIND_PACKAGE_HANDLE_STANDARD_ARGS) >> CMakeLists.txt:6 (find_package) >> >> >> >> -- Configuring done >> >> what is this REQUIRED package Plasma? is there any special plasma >> development packages? > that solves it, thanks, i though kdeplasma-addons-dev were the plasma development packages. -- Willy K. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080831/2ddad5b5/attachment.sig> From hensandpat at earthlink.net Sun Aug 31 21:35:58 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:35:58 -0500 Subject: modem usr 5637 In-Reply-To: <1220171721.16821.114.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <48B606E4.1010205@earthlink.net> <48B88917.2080001@earthlink.net> <1220083785.16821.14.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200808301114.01358.kassube@gmx.net> <1220171721.16821.114.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <48BB0EBE.8010502@earthlink.net> Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 11:14 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > >> Ric Moore wrote: >> >>>>> John Heinen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I bought a usb/ usrobotics5637, it sends and receives faxes etc, >>>>>> it works for windows, apple/mac, and linux. minimum off 2.4.20 or >>>>>> higher It was easy to install it within wind xp but I don't know >>>>>> >>> There's always good ole crusty 'wvdial'. That's the swiss army knife >>> for modems. Plus, browse the net for the best init string for your >>> modem. It makes all the difference! Good Luck. Ric >>> >> It is a long time since I used wvdial, but I remember it was quite easy to >> use. >> > > It will ask for the init string. I don't know of many modem apps that > have them embedded. So, while you're on the net do a google for your > particular init string. If you live in the toolies, you might also have > to throttle it down to 28.8, if you fail to connect reliably. > > > >> But you probably need to know the device where it can find the modem. >> >From <http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5472895>: >> >> | I have a USR 5637 & it works with no fuss at all. Simply >> | plug the modem into a USB port, point wvdial (or whatever dialer you >> | use) to /dev/ttyACM0 and you're in business. >> >> So "/dev/ttyACM0" is the thing wvdial wants to know. If you prefer a GUI >> program, kppp is probably what you are looking for. It will sure need to >> know about the device "/dev/ttyACM0" as well. >> > > Yup, with the proper init string & and know what device to use, there is > no reason he shouldn't be chugging along with the modem. Ric > > > > Aha, I am getting there, thanks for getting me on the way, but if I would have asked you the way to Washington DC , you could say " just take your car and drive east ." So, where do I go and find this 'wvdial' ? Go to system?, click on computer?, click on network?, click on ? and on? I won't quit though, because some day I too will be a full fledged Linux operator, click here, click there, and finally get to where I want to be. Please don't take this as being sarcastic, no, absolutely no, I and many others appreciate your input. Grandpa From jjesse at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 21:41:15 2008 From: jjesse at gmail.com (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:41:15 -0400 Subject: which iso? In-Reply-To: <48BAEB0B.1020106@gmail.com> References: <200808312047.34782.peterklaassen@quicknet.nl> <48BAEB0B.1020106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <c8dad2b10808311441g72434b78m5eb2343c0847412@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Willy K. Hamra <w.hamra1987 at gmail.com>wrote: > Peter Klaassen wrote: > > I have a new machine with an Asus P5GC-MX/1333 motherboard, > > Intel Core 2 Duo, and 2x2Gb DDR2 DIMM ram > > Should I download the iso for 64bit AMD/Intel in this case? > > And needing Kmail and Firefox and Openoffice.org, Digikam, Kooka > > and Amarok as mission pritical apps is it wise > > already to choose voor KDE 4 or remain in the KDE 3. > > > i advise you to stick to 32-bit versions. as for which KDE, KDE3 is more > stable. > 64-bit systems won't bring you much advantage over 32-bit for the > regular day to day work, and KDE4 with all it's beauty, will still crash > sometimes. OpenOffice, firefox, and amarok works excellently on KDE4, > never tried kmail and digikam, but kooka works good. > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Been running intrepid for awhile and am having no problems with open office, amarok, or firefox. Works great for me -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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KDE 4.1's background is absolutely spot on. > Subdued and not busy enough to work as a wallpaper, striking in its lines > and colors. I love it. You know, I have never used a default background, they NEVER match my mood, but this one came up when I installed 4.1. It is what I am using in 3.5 so I guess 4.1 uses the same file? -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <n>< PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: KDE4.1 Type: image/png Size: 911923 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/attachments/20080808/d337cb17/attachment.png> From pewtas at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 05:36:59 2008 From: pewtas at gmail.com (Peter Williams) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:36:59 -0000 Subject: I've downloaded an archive of a screen saver -- where does it belong? In-Reply-To: <677be66b0808172222p33143fa0w599dbbd2c546e644@mail.gmail.com> References: <bb1c4c350808172123i6b5db080pefef77573a10fade@mail.gmail.com> <677be66b0808172222p33143fa0w599dbbd2c546e644@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <bb1c4c350808172236q6e1879eyed5514b1876aa762@mail.gmail.com> Hello Sadik, I don't understand what you mean by "unpack with one of the boxes on top- with the blue lining"?!?!? I'm attaching a screen shot of the ARK program showing the contents of the archive file. Where do I extract the files to??? E.g. what folder do I select as the target folder to uncompress these files to??? Best Regards, PEW 2008/8/18 Sadik AYTAC <osaytac at gmail.com> > I guess you could unpack it with ARK (open fie -> unpack with one of the > boxes on top- with the blue lining). Then ALT+F2 -> type 'kcontrol' and > select your backgr - the name should be included in the list. tell me if > this works.. > > 2008/8/18 Peter Williams <pewtas at gmail.com> > >> >> Hello All Kubuntu fans, >> >> today I downloaded a screen saver from here: >> http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=29207&id=1&tan=87676054 >> >> It is called KDE Asciiquarium... and the screen shot of it looks really >> cool... so I definitely want to install it. The problem is that I don't know >> the command to uncompress the file nor the file location where the files (in >> the archive) belong. >> >> The file which I have downloaded (containing the screen saver files) is >> named "29207-aasaver-0.3.2.tar.bz2". And it is located in the following >> folder on my pc: >> >> /home/user/Archives/Themes/ <--- folder e.g. my user name is 'user'. >> >> Can someone please tell me the exact command(s) which I need to enter in >> order to uncompress the screen saver to the correct location & all how to >> configure it. Note: I was able to open this archive file with one of the >> archive managers (I forget which one) and view its contents, however I have >> no idea where to put the files (e.g. where to uncompress them to). >> >> btw - I'm using Linux Kubuntu 8.04 (code named Hardy Heron) with KDE 4.0 >> imsc. >> >> Best Regards and Happy Computing. >> PEW >> >> -- >> Fond Regards, >> Peter Eric (aka 'pew') WILLIAMS >> from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia -- phone (03) 6236-9675 >> >> My free website is: http://pewtas.googlepages.com (or) >> http://tinyurl.com/yuyejs >> >> (please visit my free website and let me know what you think about it.) >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Fond Regards, Peter Eric (aka 'pew') WILLIAMS from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia -- phone (03) 6236-9675 My free website is: http://pewtas.googlepages.com (or) http://tinyurl.com/yuyejs (please visit my free website and let me know what you think about it.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: RSDP signature @ 0xC00FD4C0 checksum 0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: RSDP 000FD4C0, 0014 (r0 DELL ) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: RSDT 000FD4D4, 0038 (r1 DELL GX260 6 ASL 61) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: FACP 000FD50C, 0074 (r1 DELL GX260 6 ASL 61) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: DSDT FFFD5864, 2535 (r1 DELL dt_ex 1000 MSFT 100000D) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: FACS 1FE73000, 0040 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: SSDT FFFD7E40, 0096 (r1 DELL st_ex 1000 MSFT 100000D) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: APIC 000FD580, 005C (r1 DELL GX260 6 ASL 61) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: BOOT 000FD5DC, 0028 (r1 DELL GX260 6 ASL 61) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: ASF! 000FD604, 0067 (r16 DELL GX260 6 ASL 61) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x808 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee00000 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] Processor #0 15:1 APIC version 20 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x02] lapic_id[0x01] disabled) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x01] address[0xfec00000] gsi_base[0]) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] IOAPIC[0]: apic_id 1, version 32, address 0xfec00000, GSI 0-23 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl dfl) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 high level) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: IRQ0 used by override. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: IRQ2 used by override. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] ACPI: IRQ9 used by override. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 1 I/O APICs Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] Allocating PCI resources starting at 20000000 (gap: 1ff00000:ded00000) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] swsusp: Registered nosave memory region: 00000000000a0000 - 00000000000f0000 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] swsusp: Registered nosave memory region: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] Built 1 zonelists in Zone order, mobility grouping on. Total pages: 129655 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] Kernel command line: root=UUID=c2188f1c-9dd7-43ed-bef9-018e1f8158b3 ro Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] mapped APIC to ffffb000 (fee00000) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] mapped IOAPIC to ffffa000 (fec00000) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] Initializing CPU#0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 8192 bytes) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 0.000000] Detected 1800.130 MHz processor. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.137998] Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.138004] console [tty0] enabled Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.141233] Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.141733] Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.159502] Memory: 505348k/522700k available (2177k kernel code, 16800k reserved, 1006k data, 368k init, 0k highmem) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.159590] virtual kernel memory layout: Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.159592] fixmap : 0xfff4b000 - 0xfffff000 ( 720 kB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.159593] pkmap : 0xff800000 - 0xffc00000 (4096 kB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.159595] vmalloc : 0xe0800000 - 0xff7fe000 ( 495 MB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.159596] lowmem : 0xc0000000 - 0xdfe73000 ( 510 MB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.159598] .init : 0xc0421000 - 0xc047d000 ( 368 kB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.159599] .data : 0xc03204c4 - 0xc041bdc4 (1006 kB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.159601] .text : 0xc0100000 - 0xc03204c4 (2177 kB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.160022] Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.160174] SLUB: Genslabs=11, HWalign=64, Order=0-1, MinObjects=4, CPUs=1, Nodes=1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.240147] Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 3604.28 BogoMIPS (lpj=7208567) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.240284] Security Framework initialized Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.240346] SELinux: Disabled at boot. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.240417] AppArmor: AppArmor initialized Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.240474] Failure registering capabilities with primary security module. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.240541] Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.240791] Initializing cgroup subsys ns Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.240851] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacct Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.240922] CPU: After generic identify, caps: 3febfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.240942] CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.241033] CPU: L2 cache: 256K Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.241085] CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.241139] CPU: After all inits, caps: 3febfbff 00000000 00000000 0000b080 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.241158] Compat vDSO mapped to ffffe000. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.241228] Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.256754] SMP alternatives: switching to UP code Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.259280] Freeing SMP alternatives: 11k freed Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.259543] Early unpacking initramfs... done Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.808123] ACPI: Core revision 20070126 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.821136] ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initramfs... error, file /DSDT.aml not found. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.846650] CPU0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz stepping 02 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.846833] Total of 1 processors activated (3604.28 BogoMIPS). Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.847034] ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.847279] ..TIMER: vector=0x31 apic1=0 pin1=2 apic2=-1 pin2=-1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.991112] Brought up 1 CPUs Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.991193] CPU0 attaching sched-domain: Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.991198] domain 0: span 01 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.991201] groups: 01 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.991530] net_namespace: 64 bytes Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.991601] Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.992527] Time: 10:45:41 Date: 08/28/08 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.992626] NET: Registered protocol family 16 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.993077] EISA bus registered Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 21.993164] ACPI: bus type pci registered Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.019975] PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfbd8e, last bus=1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.020035] PCI: Using configuration type 1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.020113] Setting up standard PCI resources Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.022520] ACPI: EC: Look up EC in DSDT Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.051740] ACPI: Interpreter enabled Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.051804] ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S4 S5) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.052013] ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.080805] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.081461] * The chipset may have PM-Timer Bug. Due to workarounds for a bug, Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.081463] * this clock source is slow. If you are sure your timer does not have Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.081465] * this bug, please use "acpi_pm_good" to disable the workaround Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.081707] PCI quirk: region 0800-087f claimed by ICH4 ACPI/GPIO/TCO Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.081765] PCI quirk: region 0880-08bf claimed by ICH4 GPIO Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.082222] PCI: Transparent bridge - 0000:00:1e.0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.082306] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.082961] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI1._PRT] Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.113309] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *9 10 11 12 15) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.114137] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12 15) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.114985] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 *10 11 12 15) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.115805] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12 15) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.116618] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 15) *0, disabled. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.117520] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 15) *0, disabled. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.118416] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 15) *0, disabled. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.119323] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs *3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 15) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.120128] Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.120247] pnp: PnP ACPI init Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.120313] ACPI: bus type pnp registered Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.146518] pnp: PnP ACPI: found 12 devices Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.146580] ACPI: ACPI bus type pnp unregistered Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.146640] PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.147188] PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.147247] PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.166786] NET: Registered protocol family 8 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.166844] NET: Registered protocol family 20 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.167031] AppArmor: AppArmor Filesystem Enabled Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.170767] Time: tsc clocksource has been installed. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.178848] system 00:00: iomem range 0x0-0x9ffff could not be reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.178908] system 00:00: iomem range 0x100000-0xffffff could not be reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.178966] system 00:00: iomem range 0x1000000-0x1fe72fff could not be reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.179034] system 00:00: iomem range 0xf0000-0xfffff could not be reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.179092] system 00:00: iomem range 0xfec00000-0xfec0ffff could not be reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.179161] system 00:00: iomem range 0xfee00000-0xfee0ffff could not be reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.179230] system 00:00: iomem range 0xffb00000-0xffbfffff could not be reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.179299] system 00:00: iomem range 0xffc00000-0xffffffff could not be reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.179386] system 00:0b: ioport range 0x800-0x85f has been reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.179444] system 00:0b: ioport range 0xc00-0xc7f has been reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.179501] system 00:0b: ioport range 0x860-0x8ff could not be reserved Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.210306] PCI: Bridge: 0000:00:1e.0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.210365] IO window: e000-efff Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.210420] MEM window: ff800000-ff9fffff Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.210475] PREFETCH window: disabled. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.210542] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1e.0 to 64 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.210562] NET: Registered protocol family 2 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.246779] IP route cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.247215] TCP established hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.247398] TCP bind hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.247581] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 16384) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.247639] TCP reno registered Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.258917] checking if image is initramfs...<7>Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 22.763357] it is Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.321941] Freeing initrd memory: 8157k freed Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.322270] Simple Boot Flag value 0x87 read from CMOS RAM was invalid Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.322329] Simple Boot Flag at 0x7a set to 0x1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.323080] audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.323158] audit(1219920342.060:1): initialized Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.326836] VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.327044] Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.327367] io scheduler noop registered Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.327424] io scheduler anticipatory registered Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.327477] io scheduler deadline registered Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.327554] io scheduler cfq registered (default) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.327623] Boot video device is 0000:00:02.0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.328206] isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.682156] isapnp: No Plug & Play device found Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.772033] Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.772244] Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.772514] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.775217] 00:09: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.776841] RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 65536K size 1024 blocksize Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.777040] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /devices/virtual/input/input0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.777305] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:KBD,PNP0f13:MOU] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.779995] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.780060] serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.784541] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.784839] EISA: Probing bus 0 at eisa.0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.784932] EISA: Detected 0 cards. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.784985] cpuidle: using governor ladder Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.785038] cpuidle: using governor menu Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.785243] NET: Registered protocol family 1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.785342] Using IPI No-Shortcut mode Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.785440] registered taskstats version 1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.785619] Magic number: 4:412:781 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.785792] hash matches device ptyq3 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.785883] BIOS EDD facility v0.16 2004-Jun-25, 0 devices found Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.785938] EDD information not available. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.786549] Freeing unused kernel memory: 368k freed Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 23.824232] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.158651] fuse init (API version 7.9) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.228341] device-mapper: uevent: version 1.0.3 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.228501] device-mapper: ioctl: 4.12.0-ioctl (2007-10-02) initialised: dm-devel at redhat.com Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.940019] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.940118] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.957586] usbcore: registered new device driver usb Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.980823] USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v3.0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.980991] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.981107] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.0 to 64 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.981112] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: UHCI Host Controller Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.981643] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.981758] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: irq 16, io base 0x0000ff80 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.982061] usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.982155] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 24.982215] hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.082410] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.1[B] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.082533] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.1 to 64 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.082539] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: UHCI Host Controller Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.082637] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.082737] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: irq 17, io base 0x0000ff60 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.082974] usb usb2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.083064] hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.083124] hub 2-0:1.0: 2 ports detected Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.187543] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.2[C] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.187668] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.2 to 64 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.187674] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: UHCI Host Controller Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.187767] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.187870] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: irq 18, io base 0x0000ff40 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.188118] usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.188210] hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.188271] hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.268505] SCSI subsystem initialized Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.290160] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.7[D] -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.290287] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.7 to 64 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.290293] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: EHCI Host Controller Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.290386] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.294383] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: debug port 1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.294443] PCI: cache line size of 128 is not supported by device 0000:00:1d.7 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.294462] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: irq 19, io mem 0xffa00800 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.309960] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.310254] usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.310349] hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.310410] hub 4-0:1.0: 6 ports detected Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.369858] Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - version 7.3.20-k2-NAPI Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.369923] Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.381745] libata version 3.00 loaded. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.414101] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:0c.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.688686] e1000: 0000:01:0c.0: e1000_probe: (PCI:33MHz:32-bit) 00:06:5b:c9:e5:ab Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.734863] Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.751424] FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.898996] e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.907287] ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: version 2.12 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.907312] PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:1f.1 (0005 -> 0007) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.907380] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.1[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.907551] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.1 to 64 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.909741] scsi0 : ata_piix Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.911382] scsi1 : ata_piix Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.911521] ata1: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x1f0 ctl 0x3f6 bmdma 0xffa0 irq 14 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 25.911580] ata2: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xffa8 irq 15 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.081268] ata1.00: ATA-5: ST340016A, 3.75, max UDMA/100 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.081332] ata1.00: 78165360 sectors, multi 8: LBA Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.127024] ata1.01: ATA-7: MAXTOR STM3250820A, 3.AAE, max UDMA/100 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.127092] ata1.01: 488397168 sectors, multi 8: LBA48 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.141086] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.201847] ata1.01: configured for UDMA/100 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.204545] usb 4-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.336936] usb 4-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.337206] hub 4-4:1.0: USB hub found Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.337399] hub 4-4:1.0: 4 ports detected Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.520407] ata2.00: ATAPI: LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-451S, GSB4, max UDMA/33 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.679852] usb 2-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.692049] ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.692302] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST340016A 3.75 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.692574] scsi 0:0:1:0: Direct-Access ATA MAXTOR STM325082 3.AA PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.693683] scsi 1:0:0:0: CD-ROM LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-451S GSB4 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.856975] usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.932727] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.932928] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 78165360 512-byte hardware sectors (40021 MB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.933006] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.933063] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.933097] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.933250] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 78165360 512-byte hardware sectors (40021 MB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.933326] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.933382] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.933415] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.933490] sda:<4>Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.949919] sda1 sda2 < sda5 > Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.965161] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.965328] sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] 488397168 512-byte hardware sectors (250059 MB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.965407] sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.965463] sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.965497] sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.965644] sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] 488397168 512-byte hardware sectors (250059 MB) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.965720] sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.965775] sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.965809] sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.965884] sdb:<6>usbcore: registered new interface driver hiddev Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 26.989471] sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 < sdb5 > sdb4 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 27.015361] sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 27.034835] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 27.034929] sd 0:0:1:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 27.035012] sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 5 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 27.035729] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 27.035796] Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 27.035933] sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 36.985369] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c: timeout initializing reports Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 36.985574] input: Logitech Inc. WingMan Force 3D as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0/input/input2 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 36.985686] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.00 Joystick [Logitech Inc. WingMan Force 3D] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-1 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 36.985914] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 36.985971] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 37.133926] Attempting manual resume Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 37.133984] swsusp: Resume From Partition 8:18 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 37.133987] PM: Checking swsusp image. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 37.134219] PM: Resume from disk failed. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 37.195400] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 37.195489] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.277842] iTCO_vendor_support: vendor-support=0 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.325387] iTCO_wdt: Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver v1.02 (26-Jul-2007) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.326610] iTCO_wdt: failed to reset NO_REBOOT flag, reboot disabled by hardware Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.327671] iTCO_wdt: No card detected Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.374542] Linux agpgart interface v0.102 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.421258] pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.513215] agpgart: Detected an Intel 830M Chipset. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.513393] agpgart: Detected 892K stolen memory. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.546105] agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xe8000000 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.577142] shpchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.4 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.657006] intel_rng: FWH not detected Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.748787] i810_smbus 0000:00:02.0: i810/i815 i2c device found. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 46.812737] input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input3 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 47.168341] input: Power Button (FF) as /devices/virtual/input/input4 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 47.183997] ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 47.184226] input: Power Button (CM) as /devices/virtual/input/input5 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 47.195991] ACPI: Power Button (CM) [VBTN] Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 48.441829] logips2pp: Detected unknown logitech mouse model 106 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 48.919313] input: ImExPS/2 Logitech Explorer Mouse as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input6 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 50.135644] parport_pc 00:0a: reported by Plug and Play ACPI Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 50.135762] parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7, using FIFO [PCSPP,TRISTATE,COMPAT,ECP] Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 50.196420] dcdbas dcdbas: Dell Systems Management Base Driver (version 5.6.0-3.2) Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 50.769836] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:09.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 53.614492] lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 53.717661] Adding 979956k swap on /dev/sdb2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:979956k Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 54.357836] EXT3 FS on sdb1, internal journal Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 56.183732] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 56.183960] EXT3 FS on sdb4, internal journal Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 56.183968] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 56.869102] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 57.907673] No dock devices found. Aug 28 10:46:18 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> starting... Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 59.868806] NET: Registered protocol family 10 Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 59.869651] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Found user 'avahi' (UID 105) and group 'avahi' (GID 111). Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Successfully dropped root privileges. Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: avahi-daemon 0.6.22 starting up. Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Successfully called chroot(). Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Successfully dropped remaining capabilities. Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: No service file found in /etc/avahi/services. Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Network interface enumeration completed. Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Registering HINFO record with values 'I686'/'LINUX'. Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Server startup complete. Host name is pk2-desktop.local. Local service cookie is 3358812976. Aug 28 10:46:19 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 60.251344] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver Aug 28 10:46:20 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 60.530890] audit(1219913180.074:2): type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="a::" denied_mask="a::" name="/dev/tty" pid=5192 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" namespace="default" Aug 28 10:46:20 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 60.621234] apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) Aug 28 10:46:20 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 60.621244] apm: overridden by ACPI. Aug 28 10:46:22 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: Started up. Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 64.057674] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 64.058257] e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: RX/TX Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 64.059467] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> eth0: Device is fully-supported using driver 'e1000'. Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> nm_device_init(): waiting for device's worker thread to start Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> nm_device_init(): device's worker thread started, continuing. Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Now managing wired Ethernet (802.3) device 'eth0'. Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Deactivating device eth0. Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Will activate wired connection 'eth0' because it now has a link. Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Will activate wired connection 'eth0' because it now has a link. Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219913183.631875] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVDRW_LDW_451S'). Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> SWITCH: no current connection, found better connection 'eth0'. Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop ntpd[5605]: ntpd 4.2.4p4 at 1.1520-o Fri Mar 7 20:24:07 UTC 2008 (1) Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop ntpd[5606]: precision = 1.000 usec Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop ntpd[5606]: Listening on interface #0 wildcard, 0.0.0.0#123 Disabled Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop ntpd[5606]: Listening on interface #1 wildcard, ::#123 Disabled Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop ntpd[5606]: Listening on interface #2 lo, ::1#123 Enabled Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop ntpd[5606]: Listening on interface #3 lo, 127.0.0.1#123 Enabled Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop ntpd[5606]: kernel time sync status 0040 Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop ntpd[5606]: frequency initialized 20.799 PPM from /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop /usr/sbin/cron[5627]: (CRON) INFO (pidfile fd = 3) Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop /usr/sbin/cron[5628]: (CRON) STARTUP (fork ok) Aug 28 10:46:23 pk2-desktop /usr/sbin/cron[5628]: (CRON) INFO (Running @reboot jobs) Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.reason Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Will activate connection 'eth0'. Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Device eth0 activation scheduled... Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) started... Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled... Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) started... Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) scheduled... Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) complete. Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) starting... Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) successful. Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) scheduled. Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete. Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) started... Aug 28 10:46:24 pk2-desktop kdm[5697]: StartServerSucces Aug 28 10:46:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 66.080312] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810 Aug 28 10:46:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 66.091086] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:02.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 Aug 28 10:46:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 66.091101] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:02.0 to 64 Aug 28 10:46:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 66.091229] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20060119 on minor 0 Aug 28 10:46:25 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Beginning DHCP transaction. Aug 28 10:46:25 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) complete. Aug 28 10:46:25 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219913185.676438] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_8086_2562_drm_i915_card0'). Aug 28 10:46:25 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> DHCP daemon state is now 12 (successfully started) for interface eth0 Aug 28 10:46:26 pk2-desktop ntpd_initres[5640]: host name not found: ntp.ubuntu.com Aug 28 10:46:26 pk2-desktop ntpd_initres[5640]: couldn't resolve `ntp.ubuntu.com', giving up on it Aug 28 10:46:26 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> DHCP daemon state is now 1 (starting) for interface eth0 Aug 28 10:46:26 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 67.330746] NET: Registered protocol family 17 Aug 28 10:46:26 pk2-desktop dhclient: DHCPREQUEST of 192.168.1.2 on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhclient: DHCPACK of 192.168.1.2 from 192.168.1.1 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Joining mDNS multicast group on interface eth0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.2. Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: New relevant interface eth0.IPv4 for mDNS. Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Registering new address record for 192.168.1.2 on eth0.IPv4. Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: dhco_input_option: Value -1 cannot be converted to type L Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: dhco_parse_option_settings: bad option setting: new_dhcp_lease_time = -1 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: dhco_input_option: Value -644245096 cannot be converted to type L Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: dhco_parse_option_settings: bad option setting: new_dhcp_rebinding_time = -644245096 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> DHCP daemon state is now 4 (reboot) for interface eth0 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP Configure Get) scheduled... Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP Configure Get) started... Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.host_name Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.domain_name Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_domain Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_servers Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Retrieved the following IP4 configuration from the DHCP daemon: Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> address 192.168.1.2 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> netmask 255.255.255.0 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> broadcast 192.168.1.255 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> gateway 192.168.1.1 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> nameserver 213.73.255.52 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> nameserver 213.73.255.53 Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.interface_mtu Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) scheduled... Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP Configure Get) complete. Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) started... Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop dhclient: bound to 192.168.1.2 -- renewal in 927570459 seconds. Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Withdrawing address record for 192.168.1.2 on eth0. Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on interface eth0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.2. Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Interface eth0.IPv4 no longer relevant for mDNS. Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Joining mDNS multicast group on interface eth0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.2. Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: New relevant interface eth0.IPv4 for mDNS. Aug 28 10:46:28 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Registering new address record for 192.168.1.2 on eth0.IPv4. Aug 28 10:46:29 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Clearing nscd hosts cache. Aug 28 10:46:29 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <WARN> nm_spawn_process(): nm_spawn_process('/usr/sbin/nscd -i hosts'): could not spawn process. (Failed to execute child process "/usr/sbin/nscd" (No such file or directory)) Aug 28 10:46:29 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) successful, device activated. Aug 28 10:46:29 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Finish handler scheduled. Aug 28 10:46:29 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) complete. Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5606]: ntpd exiting on signal 15 Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpdate[5892]: step time server 91.189.94.4 offset -0.501132 sec Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5932]: ntpd 4.2.4p4 at 1.1520-o Fri Mar 7 20:24:07 UTC 2008 (1) Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: precision = 1.000 usec Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: Listening on interface #0 wildcard, 0.0.0.0#123 Disabled Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: Listening on interface #1 wildcard, ::#123 Disabled Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: Listening on interface #2 lo, ::1#123 Enabled Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: bind() fd 19, family 10, port 123, scope 2, addr fe80::206:5bff:fec9:e5ab, in6_is_addr_multicast=0 flags=0x11 fails: Cannot assign requested address Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: unable to create socket on eth0 (3) for fe80::206:5bff:fec9:e5ab#123 Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: failed to initialize interface for address fe80::206:5bff:fec9:e5ab Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: Listening on interface #4 lo, 127.0.0.1#123 Enabled Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: Listening on interface #5 eth0, 192.168.1.2#123 Enabled Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: kernel time sync status 0040 Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: frequency initialized 20.799 PPM from /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift Aug 28 10:46:30 pk2-desktop avahi-daemon[5161]: Registering new address record for fe80::206:5bff:fec9:e5ab on eth0.*. Aug 28 10:46:31 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: Listening on interface #6 eth0, fe80::206:5bff:fec9:e5ab#123 Enabled Aug 28 10:46:39 pk2-desktop kernel: [ 80.504036] eth0: no IPv6 routers present Aug 28 10:47:13 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <info> Updating allowed wireless network lists. Aug 28 10:47:13 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <WARN> nm_dbus_get_networks_cb(): error received: org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks. Aug 28 10:49:43 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: synchronized to 91.189.94.4, stratum 2 Aug 28 10:49:43 pk2-desktop ntpd[5933]: kernel time sync status change 0001 Aug 28 11:06:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 11:17:01 pk2-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[6540]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Aug 28 11:46:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 12:06:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 12:17:01 pk2-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[6789]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Aug 28 12:46:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 13:06:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 13:17:02 pk2-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7110]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Aug 28 13:46:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 14:06:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 14:17:01 pk2-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7354]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Aug 28 14:46:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 15:06:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 15:17:01 pk2-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7946]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Aug 28 15:46:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 16:06:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 16:17:01 pk2-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[8308]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Aug 28 16:46:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 17:06:17 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 17:11:24 pk2-desktop kernel: [23128.883168] usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 Aug 28 17:11:24 pk2-desktop kernel: [23129.016050] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aug 28 17:11:24 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936284.973836] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP'). Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [23129.859027] usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 4 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x5C11 Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [23129.859063] usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [23130.011233] usbcore: registered new interface driver libusual Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [23130.074504] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [23130.076772] scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [23130.077667] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [23130.077678] USB Mass Storage support registered. Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [23130.079202] usb-storage: device found at 4 Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop kernel: [23130.079210] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936285.787071] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if0'). Aug 28 17:11:25 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936285.896132] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if2'). Aug 28 17:11:26 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936286.003421] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if1'). Aug 28 17:11:26 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936286.218366] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if3'). Aug 28 17:11:27 pk2-desktop hal_lpadmin: add Aug 28 17:11:29 pk2-desktop hal_lpadmin: URIs: ['hp:/usb/Photosmart_C4200_series?serial=MY76RDQ3VC04VP', 'usb://HP/Photosmart%20C4200%20series?serial=MY76RDQ3VC04VP', 'hal:///org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if1_printer_MY76RDQ3VC04VP'] Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop python: hp-makeuri[8791]: error: Device does not support fax. Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop hal_lpadmin: HPLIP Fax URIs: None Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop hal_lpadmin: Not adding printer: Photosmart_C4200 already exists Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936290.186074] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if1_printer_MY76RDQ3VC04VP'). Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop kernel: [23135.069640] usb-storage: device scan complete Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop kernel: [23135.070522] scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access HP Photosmart C4280 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop kernel: [23135.080576] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop kernel: [23135.080650] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936290.549381] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if3_scsi_host'). Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936290.560404] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if3_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0'). Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936290.643141] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if3_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0_scsi_generic'). Aug 28 17:11:30 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936290.961808] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_HP_Photosmart_C4280_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_0_0'). Aug 28 17:12:27 pk2-desktop Photosmart_C4200_series?serial=MY76RDQ3VC04VP: prnt/backend/hp.c 496: unable to connect hpssd socket 2207: Connection refused Aug 28 17:12:27 pk2-desktop kernel: [23191.827041] usblp0: removed Aug 28 17:12:28 pk2-desktop hal_lpadmin: remove Aug 28 17:12:28 pk2-desktop hal_lpadmin: Found configured printer: Photosmart_C4200 Aug 28 17:12:28 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936348.513663] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if1_printer_MY76RDQ3VC04VP'). Aug 28 17:12:28 pk2-desktop kernel: [23193.373057] audit(1219936348.722:3): type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="::rw" denied_mask="::rw" name="/dev/tty" pid=8860 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" namespace="default" Aug 28 17:12:30 pk2-desktop hpijs: WARNING: color pen has low ink Aug 28 17:12:30 pk2-desktop hpijs: STATE: marker-supply-low-warning Aug 28 17:12:58 pk2-desktop Photosmart_C4200_series?serial=MY76RDQ3VC04VP: prnt/backend/hp.c 496: unable to connect hpssd socket 2207: Connection refused Aug 28 17:13:59 pk2-desktop kernel: [23284.049712] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 4 Aug 28 17:13:59 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936439.587076] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if0'). Aug 28 17:13:59 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936439.605895] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if1'). Aug 28 17:13:59 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936439.617109] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if2'). Aug 28 17:13:59 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936439.629443] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if3_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0_scsi_generic'). Aug 28 17:13:59 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936439.644931] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_HP_Photosmart_C4280_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_0_0'). Aug 28 17:13:59 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936439.651919] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if3_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0'). Aug 28 17:13:59 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936439.654017] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if3_scsi_host'). Aug 28 17:13:59 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936439.676968] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP_if3'). Aug 28 17:13:59 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219936439.682902] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_3f0_5c11_MY76RDQ3VC04VP'). Aug 28 17:17:01 pk2-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[8987]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Aug 28 17:46:18 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 18:06:18 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 18:17:01 pk2-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[9260]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Aug 28 18:46:18 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 19:06:18 pk2-desktop -- MARK -- Aug 28 19:11:48 pk2-desktop kernel: [30341.641742] usb 4-4.3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5 Aug 28 19:11:48 pk2-desktop kernel: [30341.734488] usb 4-4.3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Aug 28 19:11:48 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943508.319377] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25'). Aug 28 19:11:48 pk2-desktop kernel: [30341.777007] scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Aug 28 19:11:48 pk2-desktop kernel: [30341.785576] usb-storage: device found at 5 Aug 28 19:11:48 pk2-desktop kernel: [30341.785585] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Aug 28 19:11:48 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943508.472772] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0'). Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.783824] usb-storage: device scan complete Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.784698] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access COWON D2 0100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.787070] scsi 3:0:0:1: Direct-Access COWON D2 0100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.796682] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] 15990784 512-byte hardware sectors (8187 MB) Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.797263] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.797273] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 37 00 00 08 Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.797278] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.800771] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] 15990784 512-byte hardware sectors (8187 MB) Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.801767] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.801779] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 37 00 00 08 Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.801783] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.801795] sdc: unknown partition table Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.806523] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.806605] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.808598] sd 3:0:0:1: [sdd] Attached SCSI removable disk Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop kernel: [30346.808672] sd 3:0:0:1: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0 Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943513.639215] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0_scsi_host'). Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943513.648252] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0'). Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943513.702641] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun1'). Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943513.761739] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0_scsi_generic'). Aug 28 19:11:53 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943513.837721] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun1_scsi_generic'). Aug 28 19:11:54 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943514.081630] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_COWON_D2_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_0_0'). Aug 28 19:11:54 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943514.167835] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_COWON_D2_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_0_1'). Aug 28 19:11:54 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943514.278136] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_4898_2CB1'). Aug 28 19:12:04 pk2-desktop hald: mounted /dev/sdc on behalf of uid 1000 Aug 28 19:14:39 pk2-desktop hald: unmounted /dev/sdc from '/media/COWON' on behalf of uid 1000 Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop kernel: [30515.811969] usb 4-4.3: USB disconnect, address 5 Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943682.673537] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0_scsi_generic'). Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943682.769477] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_4898_2CB1'). Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943682.769681] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_COWON_D2_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_0_0'). Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943682.787724] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0'). Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943682.787926] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun1'). Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943682.788021] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0_scsi_host'). Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943682.810707] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun1_scsi_generic'). Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943682.861628] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_COWON_D2_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_0_1'). Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943682.934101] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25_if0'). Aug 28 19:14:42 pk2-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1219943682.956814] nm_hal_device_removed(): Device removed (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_e21_800_0203040055B28F7B405050912434EE25'). Aug 28 19:17:01 pk2-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[9660]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Aug 28 19:20:14 pk2-desktop anacron[9692]: Anacron 2.3 started on 2008-08-28 Aug 28 19:20:14 pk2-desktop anacron[9692]: Can't open timestamp file for job cron.daily: Permission denied Aug 28 19:20:14 pk2-desktop anacron[9692]: Aborted From pewtas at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 05:06:52 2008 From: pewtas at gmail.com (Peter Williams) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:06:52 -0000 Subject: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101876 Message-ID: <bb1c4c350808102206p493dfc14j7ff7fd47d2e45741@mail.gmail.com> Hello Kubuntu people, I still call myself a newbie at Linux and I'm even newer at Kubuntu and KDE 4.0 { I currently use Hardy Heron } btw - I'm new to the kubuntu-users e-list... I hope that I can meet some friendly ppl here *SMILE* I have encountered the bug in the KDE ( see subject ) and found that it is a known bug and has existed since KDE 3.x (not sure of the exact version). I have a snapshot of the window show the exact bug & I've used GNU Paint to edit the PNG image to show how I think a new button could be added to the form -- to recreate the missing index file. Please refer to bug report (see subject) for a more detailed explanation. Best Regards and Happy Computing, PEW -- Fond Regards, Peter Eric (aka 'pew') WILLIAMS from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia -- phone (03) 6236-9675 My free website is: http://pewtas.googlepages.com (or) http://tinyurl.com/yuyejs (please visit my free website and let me know what you think about it.) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In summary, I have an archive of a screen saver, but I don't know which folder I should uncompress the files into. The default is simply "/home/user" folder -- but I'm pretty sure that's wrong. (e.g. my user name is 'user'). Best Regards, PEW ;-))) from Hobart, Tassie, 'Down Under' ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Williams <pewtas at gmail.com> Date: 2008/8/18 Subject: Re: I've downloaded an archive of a screen saver -- where does it belong? To: Sadik AYTAC <osaytac at gmail.com> Hi Sadik, I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. I can select the parent folder for this archive, and then click the toolbar button "Extract to...". My problem is that when I select "Extract to..." I need to select a folder to extract the entire archive into. My question {which is same one I've been asking all along} is what folder should I select to extract the archive into. Refer attached .png image which is a screen shot of the "Extract to" dialog box. It is defaulting to "/home/user" folder, however, I'm pretty certain that this is the wrong folder. So, again I ask.... what is the correct folder for me to extract the contents of the archive into? Best Regards, PEW 2008/8/18 Sadik AYTAC <osaytac at gmail.com> > make sure you on the top folder in the list. then go to the top folder and > click the blue box marked 't'.. > > 2008/8/18 Peter Williams <pewtas at gmail.com> > >> Hello Sadik, >> >> I don't understand what you mean by "unpack with one of the boxes on top- >> with the blue lining"?!?!? >> >> I'm attaching a screen shot of the ARK program showing the contents of the >> archive file. Where do I extract the files to??? E.g. what folder do I >> select as the target folder to uncompress these files to??? >> >> Best Regards, >> PEW >> >> 2008/8/18 Sadik AYTAC <osaytac at gmail.com> >> >> I guess you could unpack it with ARK (open fie -> unpack with one of the >>> boxes on top- with the blue lining). Then ALT+F2 -> type 'kcontrol' and >>> select your backgr - the name should be included in the list. tell me if >>> this works.. >>> >>> 2008/8/18 Peter Williams <pewtas at gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> Hello All Kubuntu fans, >>>> >>>> today I downloaded a screen saver from here: >>>> http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=29207&id=1&tan=87676054 >>>> >>>> It is called KDE Asciiquarium... and the screen shot of it looks really >>>> cool... so I definitely want to install it. The problem is that I don't know >>>> the command to uncompress the file nor the file location where the files (in >>>> the archive) belong. >>>> >>>> The file which I have downloaded (containing the screen saver files) is >>>> named "29207-aasaver-0.3.2.tar.bz2". And it is located in the following >>>> folder on my pc: >>>> >>>> /home/user/Archives/Themes/ <--- folder e.g. my user name is 'user'. >>>> >>>> Can someone please tell me the exact command(s) which I need to enter in >>>> order to uncompress the screen saver to the correct location & all how to >>>> configure it. Note: I was able to open this archive file with one of the >>>> archive managers (I forget which one) and view its contents, however I have >>>> no idea where to put the files (e.g. where to uncompress them to). >>>> >>>> btw - I'm using Linux Kubuntu 8.04 (code named Hardy Heron) with KDE 4.0 >>>> imsc. >>>> >>>> Best Regards and Happy Computing. >>>> PEW >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fond Regards, >>>> Peter Eric (aka 'pew') WILLIAMS >>>> from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia -- phone (03) 6236-9675 >>>> >>>> My free website is: http://pewtas.googlepages.com (or) >>>> http://tinyurl.com/yuyejs >>>> >>>> (please visit my free website and let me know what you think about it.) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fond Regards, >> Peter Eric (aka 'pew') WILLIAMS >> from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia -- phone (03) 6236-9675 >> >> My free website is: http://pewtas.googlepages.com (or) >> http://tinyurl.com/yuyejs >> >> (please visit my free website and let me know what you think about it.) >> > > -- Fond Regards, Peter Eric (aka 'pew') WILLIAMS from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia -- phone (03) 6236-9675 My free website is: http://pewtas.googlepages.com (or) http://tinyurl.com/yuyejs (please visit my free website and let me know what you think about it.) -- Fond Regards, Peter Eric (aka 'pew') WILLIAMS from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia -- phone (03) 6236-9675 My free website is: http://pewtas.googlepages.com (or) http://tinyurl.com/yuyejs (please visit my free website and let me know what you think about it.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ubuntu-ml at rwz.de Fri Aug 1 06:56:33 2008 From: ubuntu-ml at rwz.de (Jens Strohschnitter) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:56:33 +0200 Subject: Flashplugin for Firefox and Seamonkey In-Reply-To: <200807311059.33499.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <20080731130807.78ee0a96.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> <200807311059.33499.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <20080801085633.c02384d1.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> > > > > I'm using firefox and seamonkey as internetbrowsers. My flashplugin > > runs under seamonkey but not with firefox. What can I do to make both > > browsers working with flashplugin ? > > Wow.... a 3 line question and a * 41 * line signature. I think > that's a new record. > Ups, I've never been so sorry! I've used the false smtp-server. Now it's the right one. Thanx for the weekly record ;-) -- kind regards, Jens Strohschnitter ----------------------------------------- LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX Set the controls for the heart of the sun LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX ----------------------------------------- From ubuntu-ml at rwz.de Fri Aug 1 07:57:52 2008 From: ubuntu-ml at rwz.de (Jens Strohschnitter) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:57:52 +0200 Subject: Flashplugin for Firefox and Seamonkey In-Reply-To: <20080731142113.GB9373@slug.azmolan> References: <20080731130807.78ee0a96.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> <20080731121133.GA9327@slug.azmolan> <20080731151636.72a4ef76.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> <20080731135725.GA9373@slug.azmolan> <20080731155954.02192430.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> <20080731142113.GB9373@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <20080801095752.26b3a408.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> > > sorry - does not work. Firefox showes no swf-Files. about:plugins showes > > me the libflashplayer.so in version 9.9r124 - the same under seamonkey, > > but there it works fine :-( > That's indeed weird. > Does about:plugins show the plugin as enabled? What does Firefox show > when you access a site including flash? Like nothing, a black box or > something? Tried re-installing flashplugin-nonfree? Hi I've removed and all flashplugins also the flashblocker and reinstalled them without flashblocker. Now it works. Don't if flashblocker or the plugin was the problem - but now anything works fine! THX! And sorry for the large singnatures in the postings before ;-) -- kind regards, Jens Strohschnitter ----------------------------------------- LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX Set the controls for the heart of the sun LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX ----------------------------------------- From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 08:34:35 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:34:35 +0200 Subject: Flashplugin for Firefox and Seamonkey In-Reply-To: <20080801095752.26b3a408.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> References: <20080731130807.78ee0a96.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> <20080731121133.GA9327@slug.azmolan> <20080731151636.72a4ef76.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> <20080731135725.GA9373@slug.azmolan> <20080731155954.02192430.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> <20080731142113.GB9373@slug.azmolan> <20080801095752.26b3a408.ubuntu-ml@rwz.de> Message-ID: <20080801083435.GA9717@slug.azmolan> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:57, Jens Strohschnitter wrote: > I've removed and all flashplugins also the flashblocker and reinstalled > them without flashblocker. Now it works. Don't if flashblocker or the > plugin was the problem - but now anything works fine! Glad to hear. :) -- Gordon. From msw at theweissguy.com Fri Aug 1 15:29:34 2008 From: msw at theweissguy.com (theWeissGuy) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:29:34 -0400 Subject: Auto logon Kubuntu 8.04 Message-ID: How can I set Kubuntu 8.04 to auto logon at startup? theWeissGuy From zabbarob at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 17:48:38 2008 From: zabbarob at googlemail.com (Robert Costa) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:48:38 +0200 Subject: Auto logon Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a131af80808011048y48cb5555lfd7a557bbdb9c908@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/1 theWeissGuy : > How can I set Kubuntu 8.04 to auto logon at startup? KDE3: did you try "kcontrol" and there system administration -> login manager -> convenience? you need to do it in system administration mode (I hope my translation is correct, as my KDE3 is running german at the moment) KDE4: start "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/systemsettings" then select Advanced -> Login Manager -> Convenience on the convenience tab there should be an "enable auto-login" checkbox ah.. and you should start the programs with super user rights, using sudo or kdesudo cya, Robert. > > theWeissGuy > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Was man zu verstehen gelernt hat, das fürchtet man nicht mehr. From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 17:59:31 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:59:31 +0000 Subject: konqueror4.1 settings Message-ID: <080120081759.5940.48934F03000A5DE9000017342202888744CE020E049F0E059F@comcast.net> Many of the changes I make to konqueror 4.1 settings are lost when I exit the program. I can't save the icon size or the relative position of the toolbars. I am also unable to have konqi re-open with the bookmarks sidebar visible. I've tried configing a window and then saving as a profile, but no go. Is this a bug, a feature or a problem only I'm having? Paul From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 19:34:14 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:34:14 +0200 Subject: Apache2 safety? Message-ID: When I run this command, I get one instance that is running as root. As I understand it that is bad for safety reasons, right? How do I change it? apache2 mpm-worker kubuntu 8.04 64 bit. $ ps auwwfx | grep apache root 6758 0.0 0.2 123240 5240 ? Ss 19:13 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start www-data 6759 0.0 0.1 121860 2344 ? S 19:13 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start www-data 6768 0.0 0.2 346636 4568 ? Sl 19:13 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start www-data 6771 0.0 0.2 346636 4572 ? Sl 19:13 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start douglas 13852 0.0 0.0 5164 832 pts/1 S+ 21:29 0:00 | \_ grep apache -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From msw at theweissguy.com Fri Aug 1 19:49:15 2008 From: msw at theweissguy.com (theWeissGuy) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:49:15 -0400 Subject: Auto logon Kubuntu 8.04 References: <2a131af80808011048y48cb5555lfd7a557bbdb9c908@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That did it - I hadn't noticed the advanced tab previously - thanks much -- ___________ theWeissGuy "Robert Costa" wrote in message news:2a131af80808011048y48cb5555lfd7a557bbdb9c908 at mail.gmail.com... > 2008/8/1 theWeissGuy : >> How can I set Kubuntu 8.04 to auto logon at startup? > > KDE3: did you try "kcontrol" and there system administration -> login > manager -> convenience? you need to do it in system administration > mode (I hope my translation is correct, as my KDE3 is running german > at the moment) > > KDE4: start "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/systemsettings" then select Advanced -> > Login Manager -> Convenience > > on the convenience tab there should be an "enable auto-login" checkbox > > ah.. and you should start the programs with super user rights, using > sudo or kdesudo > > cya, > Robert. > >> >> theWeissGuy >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > Was man zu verstehen gelernt hat, das fürchtet man nicht mehr. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 19:51:23 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:51:23 +0200 Subject: Apache2 safety? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2cdd5ab10808011251p93be11bi7fa39fcd8955c3a4@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Knapp wrote: > When I run this command, I get one instance that is running as root. > As I understand it that is bad for safety reasons, right? How do I > change it? > > apache2 mpm-worker kubuntu 8.04 64 bit. > > $ ps auwwfx | grep apache > > root 6758 0.0 0.2 123240 5240 ? Ss 19:13 0:00 > /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start > www-data 6759 0.0 0.1 121860 2344 ? S 19:13 0:00 \_ > /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start That's normal behaviour. One root process has to be there since privileged ports have to be opened (port 80 the most prominent). Subsequent processes that actually serve the content are then spawned www-data owned. -- Greetings, Gordon. From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 20:04:58 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:04:58 +0200 Subject: Apache2 safety? In-Reply-To: <2cdd5ab10808011251p93be11bi7fa39fcd8955c3a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <2cdd5ab10808011251p93be11bi7fa39fcd8955c3a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Knapp wrote: >> When I run this command, I get one instance that is running as root. >> As I understand it that is bad for safety reasons, right? How do I >> change it? >> >> apache2 mpm-worker kubuntu 8.04 64 bit. >> >> $ ps auwwfx | grep apache >> >> root 6758 0.0 0.2 123240 5240 ? Ss 19:13 0:00 >> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start >> www-data 6759 0.0 0.1 121860 2344 ? S 19:13 0:00 \_ >> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start > That's normal behaviour. One root process has to be there since > privileged ports have to be opened (port 80 the most prominent). > Subsequent processes that actually serve the content are then spawned > www-data owned. > -- > Greetings, > Gordon. Thanks, that is nice to hear. Is there anything else that needs fixing in the basic install to make thing as safe as can be? I am running firestarter and only have port 80 open an a few others for torrents and what not. Port 22 is closed, sure gets hit a lot! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Aug 2 03:52:46 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:52:46 +0100 Subject: Make a word list from a text Message-ID: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> I want to take a text file and extract all the words and sort them into a unique list. I've looked at split, cut, sed and awk (the last two just confused me no end... :@( ) and I can't find a imple way to do it. I suppose I could write a Java program to do it, but it seems silly to reinvent the wheel like that. I'm sure there are a bazillion ways to do it on the command line but I'm flummoxed. I tried googling and every search string I tried brought me dozens of Windows programs to do the job or python programs, but nothing I could understand... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From marktaff at comcast.net Sat Aug 2 05:00:20 2008 From: marktaff at comcast.net (Mark A. Taff) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:00:20 -0700 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200808012200.20473.marktaff@comcast.net> On Friday 01 August 2008 20:52:46 Wulfy wrote: > I want to take a text file and extract all the words and sort them into > a unique list. I've looked at split, cut, sed and awk (the last two > just confused me no end... :@( ) and I can't find a imple way to do > it. I suppose I could write a Java program to do it, but it seems silly > to reinvent the wheel like that. I'm sure there are a bazillion ways to > do it on the command line but I'm flummoxed. I tried googling and every > search string I tried brought me dozens of Windows programs to do the > job or python programs, but nothing I could understand... > > -- > Blessings > > Wulfmann > > Wulf Credo: > Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. > Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. > Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. > Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz How about: perl -e '$data = `cat ./pgadmin.log`; @words = split(/ /, $data); foreach \ $word (@words) { print "$word\n"; }'|sort|uniq Replace ./pgadmin.log with your FILE. HTH, Mark From mailinglist at endosquid.com Sat Aug 2 05:03:24 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:03:24 -0400 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200808020103.24642.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Friday 01 August 2008, Wulfy wrote: > I want to take a text file and extract all the words and sort them into > a unique list. I've looked at split, cut, sed and awk (the last two This is not exactly correct, but this is a good start... It's from memory, so it should only be slightly wrong. #!/usr/bin/perl my $filename = "foo.txt"; open( FILE, "< $filename" ) or die "Can't open $filename : $!"; my @words; my @tmp; while (){ @tmp = split(/ /, $_); push @tmp, "\n"; push @words, @tmp ; # push @words, (split(/ /, $_)); # push @words, "\n"; } print @words; exit; From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Aug 2 05:52:45 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:52:45 +0100 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <4893F62D.8030600@tiscali.co.uk> Wulfy wrote: > I want to take a text file and extract all the words and sort them into > a unique list. I've looked at split, cut, sed and awk (the last two > just confused me no end... :@( ) and I can't find a imple way to do > it. I suppose I could write a Java program to do it, but it seems silly > to reinvent the wheel like that. I'm sure there are a bazillion ways to > do it on the command line but I'm flummoxed. I tried googling and every > search string I tried brought me dozens of Windows programs to do the > job or python programs, but nothing I could understand... > > Many thanks to Mark and Brendan for their help. Mark's program gave me a list of words, one to a line, I now need to remove punctuation. Brendan's program removed all the spaces but otherwise left the rest of the text as it was, -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From marktaff at comcast.net Sat Aug 2 06:17:44 2008 From: marktaff at comcast.net (Mark A. Taff) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:17:44 -0700 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <4893F62D.8030600@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> <4893F62D.8030600@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200808012317.44769.marktaff@comcast.net> > Mark's program gave me a list of words, one to a line, I now need to > remove punctuation. Brendan's program removed all the spaces but > otherwise left the rest of the text as it was, perl -e '$data = `cat ./pgadmin.log`; $data =~ s/[?\.\,\"\;\:\/\_\*\!]//g; @words = split(/ /, $data); foreach $word (@words) { print "$word\n"; }'| sort|uniq This version will remove most punctuation, notably except apostrophe's. You start running into context problems: Is that apostrophe marking a plural (mark's computer) or omitted character (ma'am, don't) or quoting ("blah," said Mark). Same applies to dashes and hyphenated words (self-defense). But, this will get you close. HTH, Mark From rustypc1 at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 06:20:50 2008 From: rustypc1 at gmail.com (rusty beukes) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:20:50 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: <488EC817.3010303@telenet.be> Message-ID: Myriam, thanx for the info you provided - it makes it easier for me to get behind all the data around Rusty On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Alain, hi all, > > On 29/07/2008, Alain Muls wrote: > > Hi kubuntu-users > > > > From time to time, in the evening, I try out the KDE4.1 on Hardy Heron > for > > which I have a separate partition set up. I find the look and feel > (mostly) > > very nice and the KDE applications respond faster (eg. startup time) than > in > > the v3.5 versions I daily use. > > > > However, the 4.1 version is by far not as stable as I wanted and does > not > > perform the stuff promised in reviews of this new version. > > We are back on the same subject again as it seems :) KDE 4.0 was a > release for developers only, so it was probably too buggy for the > average user, but if someone wants to try it he should not complain... > but file bugs and help to make it better. > > As of KDE 4.1, this release is meant for experienced users who are not > afraid of occasional glitches, bugs and sometimes even freezes and > crashes in the various packages. As KDE 4.1 comes with a lot of > software in various development stages, one should not expect flawless > runs for quite a few of them. > > So if you expect a stable and flawless system, you should definitely > NOT run KDE 4.1. If you decide to give it a try, of course it would be > nice to report the occasional bugs you run across, but this list is > definitely not the right platform for that, you should use > http://bugs.kde.org instead. > > Now if you base your expectations on promises made by reviewers, you > should be aware that these can vary depending on platform, > distribution and even moment of the day, as there is quite some > development going on, minute by minute. > > A better source for what to expect with KDE 4.1 is the official > release note from kde here: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.1/ and > the very fine page in the KDE techbase here: > http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Is_KDE_4.1_for_you%3F. Read also > this blog entry here: > http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/kde-41-a-kde-that-suits-you/, > on the same subject. > > I would also suggest you read http://planetkde.org on a regular basis > to follow what's going on in the KDE world, especially regarding > progress of KDE 4.x. > > Greets > > Myriam > > -- > Protect your freedom, join the Fellowship of FSFE! > http://www.fsfe.org > Please don't send me proprietary file formats, > use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You > start running into context problems: Is that apostrophe marking a plural > (mark's computer) or omitted character (ma'am, don't) or quoting ("blah," > said Mark). Same applies to dashes and hyphenated words (self-defense). > > But, this will get you close. > > HTH, > > Mark > > Wonderful! Thanks so much! :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From mailinglist at endosquid.com Sat Aug 2 18:50:39 2008 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:50:39 -0400 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <4893F62D.8030600@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> <4893F62D.8030600@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200808021450.39154.mailinglist@endosquid.com> On Saturday 02 August 2008, Wulfy wrote: > Wulfy wrote: > > I want to take a text file and extract all the words and sort them into > > a unique list. I've looked at split, cut, sed and awk (the last two > > just confused me no end... :@( ) and I can't find a imple way to do > > it. I suppose I could write a Java program to do it, but it seems silly > > to reinvent the wheel like that. I'm sure there are a bazillion ways to > > do it on the command line but I'm flummoxed. I tried googling and every > > search string I tried brought me dozens of Windows programs to do the > > job or python programs, but nothing I could understand... > > Many thanks to Mark and Brendan for their help. > > Mark's program gave me a list of words, one to a line, I now need to > remove punctuation. Brendan's program removed all the spaces but > otherwise left the rest of the text as it was, Yeah, the perl debugger in my head doesn't work so well. ;-) From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 20:46:04 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:46:04 +0300 Subject: what's wrong with archive.ubuntu.com? Message-ID: <4894C78C.2010005@gmail.com> this is what i got today willy at HamraIS:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following NEW packages will be installed linux-headers-2.6.24-20 linux-headers-2.6.24-20-generic linux-image-2.6.24-20-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-20-generic linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-20-generic The following packages will be upgraded: linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic 4 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 27.2MB/50.4MB of archives. After this operation, 195MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-proposed/main linux-image-2.6.24-20-generic 2.6.24-20.37 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-proposed/main linux-headers-2.6.24-20 2.6.24-20.37 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-proposed/main linux-headers-2.6.24-20-generic 2.6.24-20.37 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-20-generic_2.6.24-20.37_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-headers-2.6.24-20_2.6.24-20.37_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-headers-2.6.24-20-generic_2.6.24-20.37_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? willy at HamraIS:~$ -- Willy K. 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Call Stack (most recent call first): /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake:263 (find_package) /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:69 (FIND_PACKAGE) CMakeLists.txt:3 (find_package) All I can make out in here is the part about automoc, which is installed. Can anybody give me some clues here? best- pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johndecarlo at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 22:06:22 2008 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:06:22 -0400 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <200808012317.44769.marktaff@comcast.net> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> <4893F62D.8030600@tiscali.co.uk> <200808012317.44769.marktaff@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3dde113c0808021506q49654984kabb96a0f33f8f250@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Mark A. Taff wrote: > This version will remove most punctuation, notably except apostrophe's. > You > start running into context problems: Is that apostrophe marking a plural > (mark's computer) Oops, you mean "possessive", not plural. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sat Aug 2 22:35:40 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:35:40 +0100 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <200808021450.39154.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> <4893F62D.8030600@tiscali.co.uk> <200808021450.39154.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <4894E13C.4000308@tiscali.co.uk> Brendan wrote: > On Saturday 02 August 2008, Wulfy wrote: > >> Wulfy wrote: >> >>> I want to take a text file and extract all the words and sort them into >>> a unique list. I've looked at split, cut, sed and awk (the last two >>> just confused me no end... :@( ) and I can't find a imple way to do >>> it. I suppose I could write a Java program to do it, but it seems silly >>> to reinvent the wheel like that. I'm sure there are a bazillion ways to >>> do it on the command line but I'm flummoxed. I tried googling and every >>> search string I tried brought me dozens of Windows programs to do the >>> job or python programs, but nothing I could understand... >>> >> Many thanks to Mark and Brendan for their help. >> >> Mark's program gave me a list of words, one to a line, I now need to >> remove punctuation. Brendan's program removed all the spaces but >> otherwise left the rest of the text as it was, >> > > Yeah, the perl debugger in my head doesn't work so well. ;-) > > Still, you took the time to try to help and that's what this community is supposed to be about. I couldn't have even begun to write that perl program so any help is appreciated! :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 01:56:55 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:56:55 -0400 Subject: Dapper Dan to 8.04.1 upgrade frozen Message-ID: <48951067.4030603@gmail.com> Hi, I followed the instructions for upgrading from Dapper Dan to 8.04.1. After more than an hour of downloading and installing, it appears that the upgrade has frozen. It said, "Backing up any LVM2 metadata that may exist..." It hasn't moved in almost an hour. Any ideas about how to save this upgrade? Eric Jackson From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 03:17:32 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:17:32 +0200 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200808030517.32584.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Saturday, 02 August 2008 05:52:46 Wulfy wrote: > I want to take a text file and extract all the words and sort them into > a unique list. I gave it a go and this is the best I can do: cat myfile | sed "s/'//g" | tr -s '[:space:][:punct:]' "\n" | sort | uniq -c The sed bit is to remove single quotes so words like "didn't" don't become "didn" and "t". It then uses tr to replace spaces or punctuation with newlines and then out to sort and uniq. I find text parsing very hard to do. There seem to be corner-cases everywhere. What is a word really? How do you define it's edges? Ah well, HTH. \d From marktaff at comcast.net Sun Aug 3 04:52:00 2008 From: marktaff at comcast.net (Mark A. Taff) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:52:00 -0700 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <3dde113c0808021506q49654984kabb96a0f33f8f250@mail.gmail.com> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> <200808012317.44769.marktaff@comcast.net> <3dde113c0808021506q49654984kabb96a0f33f8f250@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808022152.00791.marktaff@comcast.net> On Saturday 02 August 2008 15:06:22 John DeCarlo wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Mark A. Taff wrote: > > This version will remove most punctuation, notably except apostrophe's. > > You > > start running into context problems: Is that apostrophe marking a plural > > (mark's computer) > > Oops, you mean "possessive", not plural. Yes, and plural possessive, too. ;-) I was neither clear nor correct, but it seems everyone understood, thankfully. --Mark From wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk Sun Aug 3 07:42:27 2008 From: wulfmann at tiscali.co.uk (Wulfy) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:42:27 +0100 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <200808030517.32584.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> <200808030517.32584.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48956163.2090602@tiscali.co.uk> Donn wrote: > On Saturday, 02 August 2008 05:52:46 Wulfy wrote: > >> I want to take a text file and extract all the words and sort them into >> a unique list. >> > I gave it a go and this is the best I can do: > cat myfile | sed "s/'//g" | tr -s '[:space:][:punct:]' "\n" | sort | uniq -c > > The sed bit is to remove single quotes so words like "didn't" don't > become "didn" and "t". It then uses tr to replace spaces or punctuation with > newlines and then out to sort and uniq. > > I find text parsing very hard to do. There seem to be corner-cases everywhere. > What is a word really? How do you define it's edges? Ah well, HTH. > \d > > Wow! Yet another way to do it! I said there were a bazillion ways...... :@D Thanks, Donn! :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. Copyright July 17, 1988 by Del Goetz From joelol75 at verizon.net Sun Aug 3 18:29:36 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:29:36 -0400 Subject: Apache2 safety? In-Reply-To: References: <2cdd5ab10808011251p93be11bi7fa39fcd8955c3a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4895F910.3040000@verizon.net> > Thanks, that is nice to hear. Is there anything else that needs fixing > in the basic install to make thing as safe as can be? I am running > firestarter and only have port 80 open an a few others for torrents > and what not. Port 22 is closed, sure gets hit a lot! > > > One thing I like to do is limit the server 'tokens'. Doesn't do much for safety, but having the server report every enabled option and its version along with your OS type and version is not a good idea IMO (Makes scripting attacks looking in the header easy if an exploit for a certain version/OS is found). You can understand what I am talking about goto http://www.grc.com/id/idserve.htm This utility only works in windows though... I have never seen a linux version and this doesn't seem to work right in wine... The section in the apache2.conf file is: # # ServerTokens # This directive configures what you return as the Server HTTP response # Header. The default is 'Full' which sends information about the OS-Type # and compiled in modules. # Set to one of: Full | OS | Minor | Minimal | Major | Prod # where Full conveys the most information, and Prod the least. # ServerTokens Minor I set mine on 'Minor' although for the truly paranoid 'Prod' would be better Also remove any symbolic links from the mods enabled directory for anything you will not use... And I usually have to enable the mod for ssl (For https: access) A quicker way to manage these symbolic links are the a2enmod and a2dismod commands. From joelol75 at verizon.net Sun Aug 3 19:10:05 2008 From: joelol75 at verizon.net (Joel Oliver) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:10:05 -0400 Subject: what's wrong with archive.ubuntu.com? In-Reply-To: <4894C78C.2010005@gmail.com> References: <4894C78C.2010005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4896028D.1000101@verizon.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > this is what i got today > > willy at HamraIS:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Calculating upgrade... Done > The following NEW packages will be installed > linux-headers-2.6.24-20 linux-headers-2.6.24-20-generic > linux-image-2.6.24-20-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-20-generic > linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-20-generic > The following packages will be upgraded: > linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic > linux-restricted-modules-generic > 4 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 27.2MB/50.4MB of archives. > After this operation, 195MB of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-proposed/main > linux-image-2.6.24-20-generic 2.6.24-20.37 > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-proposed/main > linux-headers-2.6.24-20 2.6.24-20.37 > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-proposed/main > linux-headers-2.6.24-20-generic 2.6.24-20.37 > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] > Failed to fetch > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-20-generic_2.6.24-20.37_i386.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] > Failed to fetch > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-headers-2.6.24-20_2.6.24-20.37_all.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] > Failed to fetch > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-headers-2.6.24-20-generic_2.6.24-20.37_i386.deb > 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] > E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with > --fix-missing? > willy at HamraIS:~$ > > > I've been getting the same errors sporadically.... It sees the repo, just chokes on the download. Same IP here as well! From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 19:40:50 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:40:50 +0200 Subject: Upgrade from 7.10 --> 8.04: everything slow in kde, exept while using Compiz Message-ID: <200808032140.50961.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Hallo dear list members, I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04. Everything went fine, except for one artifact: when I click on a button ed. and something would happen because of this, it lasts several seconds until that reacts. Also, when I open a konsole and open midnight commander, the graphical thing draws slowly and line for line (normally, it's really fast, of course). When I open MC in a normal console (in a tty), it is as fast as normally is the case. Interresting point here: when I select 'compiz' as windowsmanager (in the 'compiz fusion icon') and compiz is loaded, these artifacts have vanished. Everything is as fast as I'm used to. In fact, I would rather expect the other way round, that compiz uses so much graphical power, that everything would be slower in turn. - Has anybody experienced same slow down within KDE? - Or, has anybody a clue where I could look at? Any help is (of course) highly appreciated. -- Love and Light, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø " To faith only the holy is true, to knowledge only the true is holy " (L. Feuerbach) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø OS: Kubuntu 7.10 (Linux) Web: de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From k7qo at commspeed.net Sun Aug 3 19:51:22 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (chuck adams) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:51:22 -0700 Subject: Upgrade from 7.10 --> 8.04: everything slow in kde, exept while using Compiz In-Reply-To: <200808032140.50961.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> References: <200808032140.50961.Ulrich.gruen@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <200808031251.22673.k7qo@commspeed.net> On Sunday 03 August 2008 12:40:50 Ulrich Grün wrote: ...snip snip.... > > - Has anybody experienced same slow down within KDE? > - Or, has anybody a clue where I could look at? > > Any help is (of course) highly appreciated. > > -- > Love and Light, > Ulrich I have noticed a similar behavior and I thought it was xsane. In using the scanner I get a display screen of the scanned text. When I go to save it, it seems that from time to time the response slows down when I do the save. Even fails to perform the save and I have to come back and click on the save button several times. I thought it was the battery in the wireless mouse the first time it happened and changed the battery. Still had problems with button response and sometimes the cursor is slow to respond. "top" doesn't show heavy CPU loads and I don't see any process taking a lot of CPU time and cycles. It does get frustrating to have it happen from time to time for no obvious reason. For me this happens aperiodically for no apparant reason. Just started in the last few weeks and possibly after the last series of updates with kernel heades. FYI chuck From mdhirsch at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 02:23:21 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:23:21 -0600 Subject: Need a cli editor for jpg files In-Reply-To: <488A0F2F.1080803@sbcglobal.net> References: <8f6eb7340807250953y15962085v5a2ac69bc8c99cdc@mail.gmail.com> <200807251906.01306.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <8f6eb7340807251012o76e8cc62y73f8d54efd7cc347@mail.gmail.com> <488A0F2F.1080803@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0808031923o3e27842ehaf02b9afe7be9890@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Steven Vollom wrote: >> > I am not knowlegable using the terminal, yet. Is there a graphic user > interface that will manipulate large jpg files to make them smaller and > usable on the computer? You would probably like this KDE service menu I wrote. You just highlight the photos in the file browser (konqueror or dolphin) you want to resize, right-click and select resize photos. There are no options. It reduces them so that the maximum dimension is (I think) 640. I use it for mailing photos to my parents all the time. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/resizePhotos?content=49611 Michael From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 12:45:14 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:45:14 +0400 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <200808030517.32584.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> <200808030517.32584.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4896F9DA.4010506@gmail.com> Donn пишет: > On Saturday, 02 August 2008 05:52:46 Wulfy wrote: > >> I want to take a text file and extract all the words and sort them into >> a unique list. >> > I gave it a go and this is the best I can do: > cat myfile | sed "s/'//g" | tr -s '[:space:][:punct:]' "\n" | sort | uniq -c > > > Good! but cat is not necessary. sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 12:46:57 2008 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:46:57 +0400 Subject: Trouble installing Krusader 2 svn In-Reply-To: <200808021645.58846.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <200808021645.58846.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4896FA41.5070508@gmail.com> p.daniels пишет: > > I had successfully installed Krusader 2 svn on this system twice > before, but today I tried and got this: > > CMake Error at > /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindAutomoc4.cmake:53 > (message): > > Did not find automoc4 (part of kdesupport). > > Call Stack (most recent call first): > > /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake:263 > (find_package) > > /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:69 (FIND_PACKAGE) > > CMakeLists.txt:3 (find_package) > > All I can make out in here is the part about automoc, which is > installed. Can anybody give me some clues here? > > best- > > pete > have you tried cs kdesupport && svn up && cmakekde ? From donn.ingle at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 12:59:17 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:59:17 +0200 Subject: Make a word list from a text In-Reply-To: <4896F9DA.4010506@gmail.com> References: <4893DA0E.4030505@tiscali.co.uk> <200808030517.32584.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4896F9DA.4010506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808041459.17878.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Monday, 04 August 2008 14:45:14 Alexander Smirnov wrote: > sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... Cool. sed and I are verrrry uneasy pals :D \d -- Don't look now, but there's one too many in this room and I think it's you. -- Groucho Marx Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From teeahr1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 15:46:45 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:46:45 -0500 Subject: Solved, I guess (was re: Trouble installing Krusader 2 svn) In-Reply-To: <4896FA41.5070508@gmail.com> References: <200808021645.58846.teeahr1@gmail.com> <4896FA41.5070508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808041046.45628.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Monday August 4 2008 07:46:57 Alexander Smirnov wrote: > p.daniels пишет: > > I had successfully installed Krusader 2 svn on this system twice > > before, but today I tried and got this: > > > > CMake Error at > > /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindAutomoc4.cmake:53 > > (message): > > > > Did not find automoc4 (part of kdesupport). > > > > Call Stack (most recent call first): > > > > /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake:263 > > (find_package) > > > > /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:69 (FIND_PACKAGE) > > > > CMakeLists.txt:3 (find_package) > > > > All I can make out in here is the part about automoc, which is > > installed. Can anybody give me some clues here? > > > > best- > > > > pete > > have you tried > cs kdesupport && svn up && cmakekde > ? Thanks for the reply, Alexander. I got an automoc update this morning which seems to have cleared the problem up. Whatever the problem may have been. We now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list programming. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Mon Aug 4 19:08:06 2008 From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:08:06 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start Message-ID: <200808042108.06746.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Hi, After trying to start Dolphin, i get an bouncing icon for about 30s and then nothing anymore. What could be the cause for not booting up the program? (thx for the help....) Karl, From teeahr1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 19:15:11 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:15:11 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start In-Reply-To: <200808042108.06746.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> References: <200808042108.06746.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200808041415.12071.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Monday August 4 2008 14:08:06 Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > Hi, > > After trying to start Dolphin, i get an bouncing icon for about 30s and > then nothing anymore. > > What could be the cause for not booting up the program? > > (thx for the help....) > > Karl, Could be anything. Try "dolphin" in a terminal and see if you get any messages. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the above fixes the problem consider using htop which is a nicer way to play with top and kill processes. htop is available in package repos. For information on running ps and kill see their man pages: $ man ps $ man kill Brian --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > From: Karl Vanwynsberghe > Subject: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start > To: "Kubuntu Discussions" > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 3:08 PM > Hi, > > After trying to start Dolphin, i get an bouncing icon for > about 30s and then > nothing anymore. > > What could be the cause for not booting up the program? > > (thx for the help....) > > Karl, > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From msw at theweissguy.com Mon Aug 4 21:03:18 2008 From: msw at theweissguy.com (theWeissGuy) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:03:18 -0400 Subject: "authorization failed" Kbuntu 8.04 auto logon Message-ID: After setting up auto logon using Advanced tab in system Settings, I continue to get "authorization failed" error message at logon and then I have to logon manually. Any suggestions? -- ___________ theWeissGuy From osaytac at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 21:15:56 2008 From: osaytac at gmail.com (Sadik AYTAC) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:15:56 +0300 Subject: set up a root password Message-ID: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> During install I was not asked to set up a root password and the user I've set up does not have admin privilages.. How do I get the root? Maybe there is a page with info for newbees? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Aug 4 21:25:58 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:25:58 -0700 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808041425.58325.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Monday 04 August 2008 02:15:56 pm Sadik AYTAC wrote: > During install I was not asked to set up a root password and the user I've > set up does not have admin privilages.. Yes it does! > How do I get the root? You don't usually! > Maybe there is a page with info for newbees? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From hensandpat at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 21:30:36 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:30:36 -0500 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489774FC.2040703@earthlink.net> Sadik AYTAC wrote: > During install I was not asked to set up a root password and the user > I've set up does not have admin privilages.. How do I get the root? > > Maybe there is a page with info for newbees? Reinstall, I can see no other way. John H From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Aug 4 21:42:48 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:42:48 -0500 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489777D8.4000306@swbell.net> On 08/04/2008 Sadik AYTAC wrote: > During install I was not asked to set up a root password and the user > I've set up does not have admin privilages.. How do I get the root? > > Maybe there is a page with info for newbees? Simple explanation - For anything that requires root access in a graphical interface a box will pop up and you use your regular password. In terminal use "sudo" -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Aug 4 21:43:40 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:43:40 -0700 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <489774FC.2040703@earthlink.net> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <489774FC.2040703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200808041443.40380.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Monday 04 August 2008 02:30:36 pm John Heinen wrote: > Sadik AYTAC wrote: > > During install I was not asked to set up a root password and the user > > I've set up does not have admin privilages.. How do I get the root? > > > > Maybe there is a page with info for newbees? > > Reinstall, I can see no other way. John H Since the root password account is locked by default, will he not be in exactly the same place he is now? No-one installing Ubuntu or Kubuntu 8.04 is ever asked to set up a root password, the intallation does not require it. 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From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Aug 4 22:56:36 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:56:36 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1 won't start In-Reply-To: <48977E28.6050003@gmail.com> References: <48977E28.6050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808041856.36651.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Monday 04 August 2008, Eric wrote: > I just upgraded from 6.06 LTS to 8.04.1. I installed KDE 4.1. When I try > to start it the screen says KDE 4.1 and then it shows graphically the > different processes are shown loading. It gets all the way to the "K" > and then it goes back to the login screen. > > Any ideas? This can sometime happen of KDE can't write to the home directory... or some other spot that is necessary to write to. Look through your log files or try starting kdm from a CLI. /etc/init.d/kdm start and look for error messages. From teeahr1 at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 01:06:56 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:06:56 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.1 won't start In-Reply-To: <48977E28.6050003@gmail.com> References: <48977E28.6050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808042006.56579.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Monday August 4 2008 17:09:44 Eric wrote: > I just upgraded from 6.06 LTS to 8.04.1. I installed KDE 4.1. When I try > to start it the screen says KDE 4.1 and then it shows graphically the > different processes are shown loading. It gets all the way to the "K" > and then it goes back to the login screen. > > Any ideas? That happened to me once. Check to make sure you have permissions on ~/.ICEauthority -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k7qo at commspeed.net Tue Aug 5 03:00:29 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (chuck adams) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:00:29 -0700 Subject: Window response improved Message-ID: <200808042000.29244.k7qo@commspeed.net> Early today a patch came for X.org and I think I saw a note about Intel video. I shutdown my system after the upgrade due to thunderstorms moving through the area. Since then, I have done over 200 pages of scans using xsane. Not once during that time did I have a slow response to mouse movements or mouse clicks for controls. It would seem to me that the previous posting of my problems has magically disappeared and I'm hoping that it was the patch. I'm running 8.04.1 kubuntu on a dual-core AMD 64 system with nvidia graphics card. Thanks to the developers who read this group and note such problems and make an effort to find and fix them. It is greatly appreciated. ciao, chuck From mdhirsch at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 04:28:53 2008 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:28:53 -0600 Subject: two different KDE configs at once? Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0808042128q396e8f8bwad77d36fdbd95516@mail.gmail.com> Is it possible to have two different KDE configurations? I tend to stay logged in all the time at work. I've managed to get NX and my VPNworking really nicely, so when I am at home I can log in to my work system almost as if I am at the system. (For those that don't know NX, it is a really kick-ass remote desktop system. If you've ever seen how much faster Windows remote desktop is than VNC, well, NX is that much faster than remote desktop.) The problem is that NX doesn't let you join a running session--instead, it creates a new session . This new session persists across logins, but it means that unless I log out from my physical session, I have two KDEs running simultaneously. It's not such a big problem, but I'd rather not have certain programs start under NX and leave them for when I'm actually at the computer. It would be nice to have two KDE configs--one for my direct logins and one for my virtual ones. Thanks, Michael From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 05:38:08 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:38:08 +0200 Subject: CDs not recognized in 8.04.1 In-Reply-To: <48977D08.3070308@gmail.com> References: <48977D08.3070308@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/5 Eric : > > I just upgraded from 6.06 LTS to 8.04.1. I went to copy a CD and K3B > told me it couldn't find any CDs at all on my system. I have 2 and one > is a dvd and CD burner. > > Any idea how I can get Kubuntu to see my CD drives? > Yes i do. It looks like it's my old bug i reported when i first upgraded to Hardy. Look for the solution in the bugreport https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/223534 / Jonas From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 07:24:30 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:24:30 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080805072430.GA16203@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:15, Sadik AYTAC wrote: > During install I was not asked to set up a root password and the user I've > set up does not have admin privilages.. How do I get the root? What others already said... But if you are like me and don't like the whole sudo thing - 'sudo passwd' will allow you to set a seperate root password. -- Gordon. From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Tue Aug 5 07:43:50 2008 From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:43:50 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start Message-ID: <200808050943.50231.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Here is the result... karl at laptop:~$ ps aux | grep "d*lph*" root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 08:59 0:00 [khelper] avahi 4946 0.0 0.0 2760 468 ? Ss 08:59 0:00 avahi-daemon: chroot helper karl 8447 0.0 0.1 3004 756 pts/1 R+ 09:39 0:00 grep d*lph* So Dolphin isn't running currently. Other idea's? Karl, ---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ---------- Onderwerp: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start Datum: maandag 4 augustus 2008 Van: B Aan: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Hello Karl, If Dolphin has worked in the past then it may be running currently in a problem state as a process in the background. So, see if Dolphin is running and then kill any running Dolphin processes and then try starting Dolphin afterwards. The Dolphin process in KDE 3.5 is named "d3lphin". I don't know what it's called in KDE4. I used the wildcard below because I don't know the name of the Dolphin process in KDE 4. Try locating any currently running Dolphin process and kill them: $ ps aux | grep "d*lph*" $ kill [PID] Replace [PID] with the process ID returned via your "ps" output. If you find any running Dolphin processes kill them. Then try starting Dolphin again. If the above fixes the problem consider using htop which is a nicer way to play with top and kill processes. htop is available in package repos. For information on running ps and kill see their man pages: $ man ps $ man kill Brian --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > From: Karl Vanwynsberghe > Subject: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start > To: "Kubuntu Discussions" > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 3:08 PM > Hi, > > After trying to start Dolphin, i get an bouncing icon for > about 30s and then > nothing anymore. > > What could be the cause for not booting up the program? > > (thx for the help....) > > Karl, > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users ------------------------------------------------------- From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Tue Aug 5 07:46:31 2008 From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:46:31 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start Message-ID: <200808050946.31348.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> ---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ---------- Onderwerp: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start Datum: maandag 4 augustus 2008 Van: "p.daniels" Aan: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com On Monday August 4 2008 14:08:06 Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > Hi, > > After trying to start Dolphin, i get an bouncing icon for about 30s and > then nothing anymore. > > What could be the cause for not booting up the program? > > (thx for the help....) > > Karl, Could be anything. Try "dolphin" in a terminal and see if you get any messages. -p. ------------------------------------------------------- This is the message i get when typing dolpin in the terminal; karl at laptop:~$ dolphin "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error in thread 3052451616 : "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files" "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error in thread 3052451616 : "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Connection refused" dolphin(8658) ::GlobalModelContainer::init: Failed to connect to Nepomuk server via local socket "/home/karl/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/socket" "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error in thread 3052451616 : "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files" ASSERT: "(*it).isValid()" in file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.0/kio/kio/previewjob.cpp, line 565 (8657)/: Communication problem with "dolphin" , it probably crashed. Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " Karl, From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 07:58:40 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:58:40 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start In-Reply-To: <200808050943.50231.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> References: <200808050943.50231.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <48980830.4070806@gmail.com> Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > Here is the result... > > karl at laptop:~$ ps aux | grep "d*lph*" > root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 08:59 0:00 [khelper] > avahi 4946 0.0 0.0 2760 468 ? Ss 08:59 0:00 avahi-daemon: > chroot helper > karl 8447 0.0 0.1 3004 756 pts/1 R+ 09:39 0:00 grep d*lph* > > So Dolphin isn't running currently. > > Other idea's? > > Karl, > > > ---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ---------- > > Onderwerp: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start > Datum: maandag 4 augustus 2008 > Van: B > Aan: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > > Hello Karl, > > If Dolphin has worked in the past then it may be running currently in a > problem state as a process in the background. > > So, see if Dolphin is running and then kill any running Dolphin processes and > then try starting Dolphin afterwards. > > The Dolphin process in KDE 3.5 is named "d3lphin". I don't know what it's > called in KDE4. I used the wildcard below because I don't know the name of > the Dolphin process in KDE 4. > > Try locating any currently running Dolphin process and kill them: > $ ps aux | grep "d*lph*" > $ kill [PID] > > Replace [PID] with the process ID returned via your "ps" output. If you find > any running Dolphin processes kill them. Then try starting Dolphin again. > > If the above fixes the problem consider using htop which is a nicer way to > play with top and kill processes. htop is available in package repos. > > For information on running ps and kill see their man pages: > $ man ps > $ man kill > > Brian > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > >> From: Karl Vanwynsberghe >> Subject: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start >> To: "Kubuntu Discussions" >> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 3:08 PM >> Hi, >> >> After trying to start Dolphin, i get an bouncing icon for >> about 30s and then >> nothing anymore. >> >> What could be the cause for not booting up the program? >> >> (thx for the help....) Try starting it using either ALT+F2 and then type "dolphin" in the "command window" or you can use Katapult - hold down ALT and then SPACE, type "do" and hit enter IF Dolphin shows up, if not continue typing UNTIL it shows up. If it does not something is wacko. I would then remove and reinstall. Or use Konqueror.... Sinclair From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 08:05:14 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:05:14 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <20080805072430.GA16203@slug.azmolan> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <20080805072430.GA16203@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <18bb29490808050105ud15a6b3q6c42264ab895ecd7@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/5 Gordon Schulz : > On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:15, Sadik AYTAC wrote: > >> During install I was not asked to set up a root password and the user I've >> set up does not have admin privilages.. How do I get the root? > What others already said... But if you are like me and don't like the whole > sudo thing - 'sudo passwd' will allow you to set a seperate root > password. But then you still need to use sudo, since every application that needs root-privileges, will ask for your sudo passwd. This behaviour could probably be changed as well, but I don't know how. -- Greetings, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø . " To faith only the holy is true, to knowledge only the true is holy " . (L. Feuerbach) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 08:18:23 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:18:23 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <18bb29490808050105ud15a6b3q6c42264ab895ecd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <20080805072430.GA16203@slug.azmolan> <18bb29490808050105ud15a6b3q6c42264ab895ecd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080805081823.GB16203@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:05, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn_ wrote: > > What others already said... But if you are like me and don't like the whole > > sudo thing - 'sudo passwd' will allow you to set a seperate root > > password. > > But then you still need to use sudo, since every application that > needs root-privileges, will ask for your sudo passwd. > This behaviour could probably be changed as well, but I don't know how. Invoking GUI-Stuff from say within KDE's controlcenter - sure. I'm pretty used to doing my root-involved stuff from a terminal after issueing an 'su -' though. -- Gordon. From girardhenri at free.fr Tue Aug 5 08:45:21 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:45:21 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <18bb29490808050105ud15a6b3q6c42264ab895ecd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <20080805072430.GA16203@slug.azmolan> <18bb29490808050105ud15a6b3q6c42264ab895ecd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217925921.12476.10.camel@ai> >From time to time this question is asked ! It should be better to write it down on kubuntu or ubuntu doc I think it's somewhere anyhow because i found it one day :) x...buntu family use sudo with an user at installation I don't like it though i am using it for few years now i like to decide myself what i have to do... open mind !! then you use sudo and you are ask for your password ! if you want to create a root passwd and work as root do this : but if you break your linux one day don't complain :) lol in a shell : sudo passwd root and you are asked for your password and an unix one :) then you should get "ok" su root and password and you become root to install it in gdm or kdm go to /etc/gdm or kdm .conf and change allowrootlogin=false to true save and restart the manager /etc/init.d/gdm or kdm restart then you should be able to work as root often it doesn't work so well for kdm_kde4 you have to find it in /usr/lib/kde4/apps/kdm.conf but i am not sure where exactly it is as i don't use it .. it's crap on my computer ! on ubuntu i use gdm and installed kde4.1 after from ppa.. wish you good enjoying :) Le mardi 05 août 2008 à 10:05 +0200, Ulrich Grün a écrit : > 2008/8/5 Gordon Schulz : > > On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:15, Sadik AYTAC wrote: > > > >> During install I was not asked to set up a root password and the user I've > >> set up does not have admin privilages.. How do I get the root? > > What others already said... But if you are like me and don't like the whole > > sudo thing - 'sudo passwd' will allow you to set a seperate root > > password. > > But then you still need to use sudo, since every application that > needs root-privileges, will ask for your sudo passwd. > This behaviour could probably be changed as well, but I don't know how. > > -- > Greetings, > Ulrich > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > . " To faith only the holy is true, to knowledge only the true is holy " > . (L. Feuerbach) > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ > From tptagth at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 11:43:04 2008 From: tptagth at yahoo.com (B) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start In-Reply-To: <200808050946.31348.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <597121.28630.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Karl, Try stopping the Nepomuk Service. In System Settings click the Advanced tab. Then "Nepomuk" and click "OK" when the window pops up. This should bring up the Nepomuk/Strigi Server Configuration. Select the tab "Basic Settings" and Uncheck "Enable Nepomuk Semantic Desktop" and make sure enable Strigi is not checked. Click Apply and Log Out. My assumptions: - You updated your system to KDE4.1 using the instructions provided at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1. - You're using the Adept Manager and NOT Synaptic Package Manager. I've run into issues using Synaptic with KDE 4.x. - Dolphin version 1.1 Note that you should make sure to add the widget, "Application Launcher Menu, Traditional Menu Based" in addition to keep using the default "Application Launder". Why have both? Because I've found that sometimes an application (like kate) will only start in the traditional menu and not the default menu. Also read, http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.1/ so you're aware which user base KDE4.x is targeting. Bugs reported at, http://bugs.kde.org/. Brian --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > From: Karl Vanwynsberghe > Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start > To: "Kubuntu Discussions" > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:46 AM > ---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ---------- > > Onderwerp: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start > Datum: maandag 4 augustus 2008 > Van: "p.daniels" > Aan: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > On Monday August 4 2008 14:08:06 Karl Vanwynsberghe > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > After trying to start Dolphin, i get an bouncing icon > for > about 30s and > > then nothing anymore. > > > > What could be the cause for not booting up the > program? > > > > (thx for the help....) > > > > Karl, > > Could be anything. Try "dolphin" in a terminal > and see if you > get any messages. > > -p. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the message i get when typing dolpin in the > terminal; > > karl at laptop:~$ dolphin > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error in thread > > 3052451616 : > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by > any .service > files" > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error in thread > > 3052451616 : "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: > Connection refused" > dolphin(8658) ::GlobalModelContainer::init: > Failed to connect to > Nepomuk server via local socket > "/home/karl/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/socket" > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error in thread > > 3052451616 : > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by > any .service > files" > ASSERT: "(*it).isValid()" in > file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.0/kio/kio/previewjob.cpp, > line 565 > (8657)/: Communication problem > with "dolphin" , it > probably crashed. > Error message was: > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " > "Message did not > receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " > > > Karl, > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Aug 5 13:57:28 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:57:28 -0400 Subject: Window response improved In-Reply-To: <200808042000.29244.k7qo@commspeed.net> References: <200808042000.29244.k7qo@commspeed.net> Message-ID: <200808050957.28572.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Monday 04 August 2008, chuck adams wrote: > It would seem to me that the previous > posting of my problems has magically > disappeared and I'm hoping that it was > the patch. Might have been the patch, but might also have been some other process sucking up the cpu cycles. When you have performance problems like you mentioned, it is always best to check with the 'top' command to see who is using the cycles. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 13:58:13 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:58:13 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <489774FC.2040703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2925140.05m64qFdyy@cedar.serverforest.com> John Heinen wrote: > Sadik AYTAC wrote: >> During install I was not asked to set up a root password and the user >> I've set up does not have admin privilages.. How do I get the root? >> >> Maybe there is a page with info for newbees? > Reinstall, I can see no other way. John H That's a Karl answer. There's _always_ another way. If it were really true that the user has no admin privileges (highly unlikely), then simply booting into single-user mode would put you in a root shell. From which you could use "visudo" to give a user admin privileges. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 14:06:38 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:06:38 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <20080805072430.GA16203@slug.azmolan> <18bb29490808050105ud15a6b3q6c42264ab895ecd7@mail.gmail.com> <1217925921.12476.10.camel@ai> Message-ID: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> Girard Henri wrote: >>From time to time this question is asked ! > It should be better to write it down on kubuntu or ubuntu doc It's there on the wiki, in more than one place, but why would a new user be any more likely to find it there? The question is only asked by people who never googled "Ubuntu root password" > I don't like it though i am using it for few years now > i like to decide myself what i have to do... open mind !! And how has Ubuntu changed that? If they'd default to having users use a root account (bad juju) they'd still have made the default decision. The only difference is that you wouldn't be complaining because it would be the decision you liked. There _has_ to be a default, and Ubuntu's choice is right for so many reasons. > if you want to create a root passwd and work as root > do this : No matter how you feel about it, it's a really, REALLY, bad idea to tell newbies how to do this before encouraging them to use the system as it was initially setup. > but if you break your linux one day don't complain :) lol There's nothing to "lol" about there. You've just suggested a brand new user do something risky for no better reason than that you don't like the way ubuntu does it. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 14:22:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:22:10 -0300 Subject: two different KDE configs at once? References: <9c2aabaf0808042128q396e8f8bwad77d36fdbd95516@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2939150.bZ8GvN6ub4@cedar.serverforest.com> Michael Hirsch wrote: > Is it possible to have two different KDE configurations? Sort of... but maybe not for what you want. kde4 installs into a whole different configuration, so it's certainly possible. > I tend to stay logged in all the time at work. I've managed to get NX > and my VPNworking really nicely, so when I am at home I can log in to > my work system almost as if I am at the system. (For those that don't > know NX, it is a really kick-ass remote desktop system. If you've > ever seen how much faster Windows remote desktop is than VNC, well, NX > is that much faster than remote desktop.) The problem is that NX > doesn't let you join a running session--instead, it creates a new > session . That's not entirely true. I've pretty much stopped using NX, but if you use krfb to share your desktop (as you would for VNC), you can then have nx connect using VNC - what's different about this from regular VNC is that it's using NX over the network, then uses VNC only on the localhost. I experimented with it but can't remember exactly what it was I didn't like - it might have been too slow, but it might just have been that it constrained the size of my NX desktop too much (when I run NX standalone, it uses as large a desktop as fits my client, when I share another desktop, it has to use a desktop _larger_ than the shared desktop, so that everything fits, otherwise you are always scrolling). One of these days, i'd like to see NX look like seamless windows in VirtualBox. > This new session persists across logins, but it means that > unless I log out from my physical session, I have two KDEs running > simultaneously. > > It's not such a big problem, but I'd rather not have certain programs > start under NX and leave them for when I'm actually at the computer. My particular complaint was kontact - because it won't let you start kontact when it's running on another screen. Briefly I had a working dcop script that let me kill the other kontact, but then something was changed in kontact that broke that. But I can't see how it would help if I had a different "profile" - then I still wouldn't be able to share the data in the program. I might as well have two separate users. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 14:24:56 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:24:56 -0300 Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start References: <200808050943.50231.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> <48980830.4070806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1670724.NylmPdMVYo@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Try starting it using either ALT+F2 and then type "dolphin" in the > "command window" or you can use Katapult - hold down ALT and then SPACE, > type "do" and hit enter IF Dolphin shows up, if not continue typing > UNTIL it shows up. If it does not something is wacko. I would then > remove and reinstall. Or use Konqueror.... Both of those have the same problem as just starting from the menu - you can't see _why_ it isn't starting. The answer is probably in .xsession_errors though (even if you started it from the menu). It's much simpler to start in a terminal, and see the results immediately. -- derek From girardhenri at free.fr Tue Aug 5 14:43:35 2008 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Henri Girard) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:43:35 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com><20080805072430.GA16203@slug.azmolan><18bb29490808050105ud15a6b3q6c42264ab895ecd7@mail.gmail.com><1217925921.12476.10.camel@ai> <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista> regards :) Derek how old are you ? i am 63 :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Broughton" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: Re: set up a root password > Girard Henri wrote: > >>>From time to time this question is asked ! >> It should be better to write it down on kubuntu or ubuntu doc > > It's there on the wiki, in more than one place, but why would a new user > be > any more likely to find it there? The question is only asked by people > who > never googled "Ubuntu root password" > >> I don't like it though i am using it for few years now >> i like to decide myself what i have to do... open mind !! > > And how has Ubuntu changed that? If they'd default to having users use a > root account (bad juju) they'd still have made the default decision. The > only difference is that you wouldn't be complaining because it would be > the > decision you liked. There _has_ to be a default, and Ubuntu's choice is > right for so many reasons. > >> if you want to create a root passwd and work as root >> do this : > > No matter how you feel about it, it's a really, REALLY, bad idea to tell > newbies how to do this before encouraging them to use the system as it was > initially setup. > >> but if you break your linux one day don't complain :) lol > > There's nothing to "lol" about there. You've just suggested a brand new > user do something risky for no better reason than that you don't like the > way ubuntu does it. > > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From tptagth at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 15:14:10 2008 From: tptagth at yahoo.com (B) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Window response improved [top] In-Reply-To: <200808050957.28572.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <605518.77332.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, > check with the 'top' command to see who is using I like htop over top: - Htop is an ncursed-based process viewer similar to top, but it allows to scroll the list vertically and horizontally to see all processes and their full command lines. Tasks related to processes (killing, renicing) can be done without entering their PIDs. Homepage: http://htop.sourceforge.net - It's available in your package manager. Brian --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Bruce Marshall wrote: > From: Bruce Marshall > Subject: Re: Window response improved > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 9:57 AM > On Monday 04 August 2008, chuck adams wrote: > > It would seem to me that the previous > > posting of my problems has magically > > disappeared and I'm hoping that it was > > the patch. > > Might have been the patch, but might also have been some > other process sucking > up the cpu cycles. > > When you have performance problems like you mentioned, it > is always best to > check with the 'top' command to see who is using > the cycles. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From teeahr1 at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 15:30:29 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:30:29 -0500 Subject: compiled plasmoids don't appear in menu Message-ID: <200808051030.29604.teeahr1@gmail.com> Howdy all- I compiled some plasmoids yesterday, but they are not appearing in the "add widgets" menu. They compiled fine, the .desktop files are in /usr/share/kde4/services, but they don't show up in the menu, and I can't manually add them with "install new widgets". What gives? best -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 15:57:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:57:22 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com><20080805072430.GA16203@slug.azmolan><18bb29490808050105ud15a6b3q6c42264ab895ecd7@mail.gmail.com><1217925921.12476.10.camel@ai> <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista> Message-ID: <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> Henri Girard wrote: > regards :) > Derek how old are you ? > i am 63 :) Old enough to remember dinosaurs, not that it's relevant. I learned Unix well before sudo. I respect your right to install a root password, I just think it a very bad idea to tell newbies to do that as their first task - and then laugh about how they might screw everything up if they aren't careful. -- derek From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 16:57:40 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:57:40 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista> <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:57, Derek Broughton wrote: > I respect your right to install a root password, I just > think it a very bad idea to tell newbies to do that as their first task - > and then laugh about how they might screw everything up if they aren't > careful. Signed. As one also pointing out in this thread how to set a root password - not that I'd tell new users to do that, but being able to properly su'ing into root makes doing extensive administrative tasks a lot easier than sudo'ing around. -- Gordon. From cliff at kliphy.com Tue Aug 5 17:07:28 2008 From: cliff at kliphy.com (cliff weisgerber) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:07:28 -0600 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com><8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista><1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <015a01c8f71d$bd5a8ec0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> I have been a UN*X guru since the PDP days of Bell Labs and then Berkeley and then...and then linux. My first experience with kubuntu left me wondering how to get root access, which is necessary. I don't think it is unwise to offer this info. More like it is unwise to try to hide root access. If folks blow their system up, so be it. Hopefully, lesson learned. Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Schulz Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:58 AM To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Subject: Re: set up a root password On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:57, Derek Broughton wrote: > I respect your right to install a root password, I just > think it a very bad idea to tell newbies to do that as their first task - > and then laugh about how they might screw everything up if they aren't > careful. Signed. As one also pointing out in this thread how to set a root password - not that I'd tell new users to do that, but being able to properly su'ing into root makes doing extensive administrative tasks a lot easier than sudo'ing around. -- Gordon. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 17:19:59 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:19:59 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <015a01c8f71d$bd5a8ec0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> References: <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> <015a01c8f71d$bd5a8ec0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <20080805171959.GA16363@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:07, cliff weisgerber wrote: > I have been a UN*X guru since the PDP days of Bell Labs and then Berkeley > and then...and then linux. My first experience with kubuntu left me > wondering how to get root access, which is necessary. I don't think it is > unwise to offer this info. More like it is unwise to try to hide root > access. If folks blow their system up, so be it. Hopefully, lesson > learned. Well, imho it depends on the target audience of the distribution. xUbuntu tries to mainly target your average Joe User ranging from total noob to your average user to the poweruser needing a stable distribution on his work rig or server, so pretty much everyone. At least that's what I always thought is Canonical's mission statement. It's good people don't mindlessly carry their Windows mentality of running everything as Adminstrator/Superuser over and actually have to type in some sort of prefix. Things are different in more 'generic' distributions like Gentoo, pure Debian or w/e. You are expected to know what root is and what it can mean typing in rm -rf *. Rest assured, I could sleep a little better when I installed Kubuntu on my parents' first laptop. :) -- Gordon. From deep64blue at itguru.org.uk Tue Aug 5 17:29:46 2008 From: deep64blue at itguru.org.uk (Alan Milnes) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:29:46 +0100 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <20080805171959.GA16363@slug.azmolan> References: <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> <015a01c8f71d$bd5a8ec0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <20080805171959.GA16363@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <48988E0A.5020208@itguru.org.uk> Ubuntu's default is absolutely correct for it's target audience and anyone who is really doing something that needs true root access should have enough know-how to work it out. Alan From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 17:21:50 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:21:50 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista> <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <2781648.JqkbiD45fC@cedar.serverforest.com> Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:57, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> I respect your right to install a root password, I just >> think it a very bad idea to tell newbies to do that as their first task - >> and then laugh about how they might screw everything up if they aren't >> careful. > Signed. As one also pointing out in this thread how to set a root > password - not that I'd tell new users to do that, but being able to > properly su'ing into root makes doing extensive administrative tasks a > lot easier than sudo'ing around. How? "sudo -i" is only 5 characters longer than "su". I have to concede that su is therefore easier, but 5 characters is hardly "a lot". What I object to is the instant jump to tell a newbie how to do something unsupported in ubuntu - followed by "but if you break your linux one day don't complain :) lol". That's just irresponsible. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 17:24:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:24:32 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com><8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista><1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> <015a01c8f71d$bd5a8ec0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com> cliff weisgerber wrote: > I have been a UN*X guru since the PDP days of Bell Labs and then Berkeley > and then...and then linux. My first experience with kubuntu left me > wondering how to get root access, which is necessary. Root _access_ is necessary. "su" isn't. > I don't think it is > unwise to offer this info. More like it is unwise to try to hide root > access. If folks blow their system up, so be it. Hopefully, lesson > learned. Well, you're right. You've just proved you're a Unix guru from the old days. Sometimes we learn over time. Learning by blowing things up is not the best method, but one that true geeks believe should be forced on everybody. -- derek From cliff at kliphy.com Tue Aug 5 17:45:25 2008 From: cliff at kliphy.com (cliff weisgerber) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:45:25 -0600 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com><8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista><1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com><20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan><015a01c8f71d$bd5a8ec0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <017401c8f723$0ab99670$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Call me a geek - I *am* a geek - but a system is not useful to me if I cannot do what needs to be done. I can certainly keep other users from hurting themselves while I have my way with the system and I don't think that is a problem. For those wishing to increase their knowledge, mistakes are to be expected. Some of my best knowledge has come from mistake recovery. BTW, I was responsible for bringing up 100s of UN*X systems at a dinosaur of the computer industry during the days of migration to that platform for engineering tools. I know how to maintain control of not just one, but a network of systems and how to keep unknowledgeable users - like traditional MEs - from hurting themselves and others. If you want a fail-safe, no-brainer buy a windows box off the rack. They come with recovery disks you know. A sys admin needs to have the *power*, IMHO. Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Derek Broughton Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:25 AM To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: RE: set up a root password cliff weisgerber wrote: > I have been a UN*X guru since the PDP days of Bell Labs and then Berkeley > and then...and then linux. My first experience with kubuntu left me > wondering how to get root access, which is necessary. Root _access_ is necessary. "su" isn't. > I don't think it is > unwise to offer this info. More like it is unwise to try to hide root > access. If folks blow their system up, so be it. Hopefully, lesson > learned. Well, you're right. You've just proved you're a Unix guru from the old days. Sometimes we learn over time. Learning by blowing things up is not the best method, but one that true geeks believe should be forced on everybody. -- derek -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 18:01:34 2008 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:01:34 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista> <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <18bb29490808051101p7feb4feawbc858f8337d4382f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/5 Gordon Schulz : > On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:57, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> I respect your right to install a root password, I just >> think it a very bad idea to tell newbies to do that as their first task - >> and then laugh about how they might screw everything up if they aren't >> careful. > Signed. As one also pointing out in this thread how to set a root > password - not that I'd tell new users to do that, but being able to > properly su'ing into root makes doing extensive administrative tasks a > lot easier than sudo'ing around. One could, of course, use "sudo -i". This gives the user a root shell where he can work around as if the user had done "su" or if he/she logged in as "root" -- Groet, Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø . " To faith only the holy is true, to knowledge only the true is holy " . (L. Feuerbach) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Tue Aug 5 18:06:21 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:06:21 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista> <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808052006.21449.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Tuesday 05 August 2008 17:57, Derek Broughton wrote: > Henri Girard wrote: > > regards :) > > Derek how old are you ? > > i am 63 :) > > Old enough to remember dinosaurs, not that it's relevant. I learned Unix > well before sudo. I respect your right to install a root password, I just > think it a very bad idea to tell newbies to do that as their first task - > and then laugh about how they might screw everything up if they aren't > careful. > -- > derek Well I've got Fedora, Debian, Archlinux, and Slackware installs, and have gotten used to, and like having a root password. That said though, I havn't messed with the way that Kubuntu does things with sudo, and the users password. It does get quite amusing from time to time though, when I find myself booted into one of my Kubuntu installs (DD, GG, or HH). On the CLI, when wanting to check for updates, I find myself typing su, and then expect to enter my root password, which is usually followed by a quite loud "Doh". On the GUI, I've also been caught out when wanting to open KDE's superuser file manager, or any other GUI app that needs root access. The window opens asking for password, and find myself entering my usual root password, then get a complaint about wrong password, which quickly brings me back to reality, when I realise I'm booted into Kubuntu. Personally I believe that having a separate root password (which I would expect to be more complex, than a plain old user one) is a good idea, as on most of my distros, and does give an extra step that a potential hacker has to go through to get into your machine, but I suppose if they are determined to get in, they will find a way. 5¢ worth of humor, and thoughts. Nigel. From jerryg at gaiser.org Tue Aug 5 18:16:46 2008 From: jerryg at gaiser.org (Jerry Gaiser) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:16:46 -0700 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <015a01c8f71d$bd5a8ec0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808051116.47785.jerryg@gaiser.org> On Tuesday 05 August 2008 10:24, Derek Broughton wrote: > cliff weisgerber wrote: > > I have been a UN*X guru since the PDP days of Bell Labs and then Berkeley > > and then...and then linux. My first experience with kubuntu left me > > wondering how to get root access, which is necessary. > > Root _access_ is necessary. "su" isn't. I've been hacking Unix since the mid 80's. Been with Linux since 0.12 One of the first things *I* do is give root a password. This whole discussion seems to miss the point the a newbie can do as much damage with 'sudo' as with 'su'. It's just as easy to forget the you are at '/home/username' and type 'sudo rm -rf *'as it is with a real root account (been there, done that. Results were not pretty). Either way the damage is done. 'sudo' doesn't prevent stupidity. -- Jerry Gaiser in North Plains, Oregon USA - 45.6933N 123.0418W "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Tue Aug 5 18:27:31 2008 From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:27:31 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start In-Reply-To: <597121.28630.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <597121.28630.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200808052027.31653.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Brian, I did uncheck the Nepomuk Semantic Desktop but each time i log back on (or reboot), it is checked again. Some other things i noticed, but not sure if this is wrong; - While loggin on, i never see the "big K" icon. - The plasma applets i use disappear each time i reboot. Could this be something with permissions...??? Thx for the help! K, Op Tuesday 05 August 2008 13:43:04 schreef B: > Hi Karl, > > Try stopping the Nepomuk Service. > In System Settings click the Advanced tab. > Then "Nepomuk" and click "OK" when the window pops up. > This should bring up the Nepomuk/Strigi Server Configuration. > Select the tab "Basic Settings" and Uncheck "Enable Nepomuk Semantic > Desktop" and make sure enable Strigi is not checked. Click Apply and Log > Out. > > My assumptions: > - You updated your system to KDE4.1 using the instructions provided at > http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1. - You're using the Adept Manager and > NOT Synaptic Package Manager. I've run into issues using Synaptic with KDE > 4.x. - Dolphin version 1.1 > > Note that you should make sure to add the widget, "Application Launcher > Menu, Traditional Menu Based" in addition to keep using the default > "Application Launder". Why have both? Because I've found that sometimes > an application (like kate) will only start in the traditional menu and not > the default menu. > > Also read, http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.1/ so you're aware which user > base KDE4.x is targeting. Bugs reported at, http://bugs.kde.org/. > > Brian > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > > From: Karl Vanwynsberghe > > Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start > > To: "Kubuntu Discussions" > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:46 AM > > ---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ---------- > > > > Onderwerp: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start > > Datum: maandag 4 augustus 2008 > > Van: "p.daniels" > > Aan: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > On Monday August 4 2008 14:08:06 Karl Vanwynsberghe > > > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > After trying to start Dolphin, i get an bouncing icon > > > > for > > about 30s and > > > > > then nothing anymore. > > > > > > What could be the cause for not booting up the > > > > program? > > > > > (thx for the help....) > > > > > > Karl, > > > > Could be anything. Try "dolphin" in a terminal > > and see if you > > get any messages. > > > > -p. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This is the message i get when typing dolpin in the > > terminal; > > > > karl at laptop:~$ dolphin > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error in thread > > > > 3052451616 : > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name > > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by > > any .service > > files" > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error in thread > > > > 3052451616 : "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: > > Connection refused" > > dolphin(8658) ::GlobalModelContainer::init: > > Failed to connect to > > Nepomuk server via local socket > > "/home/karl/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/socket" > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error in thread > > > > 3052451616 : > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name > > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by > > any .service > > files" > > ASSERT: "(*it).isValid()" in > > file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.0/kio/kio/previewjob.cpp, > > line 565 > > (8657)/: Communication problem > > with "dolphin" , it > > probably crashed. > > Error message was: > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " > > "Message did not > > receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " > > > > > > Karl, > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 19:06:06 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:06:06 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <017401c8f723$0ab99670$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> References: <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com> <017401c8f723$0ab99670$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <20080805190606.GA16375@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:45, cliff weisgerber wrote: > BTW, I was responsible for bringing up 100s of UN*X systems at a dinosaur of > the computer industry during the days of migration to that platform for > engineering tools. I know how to maintain control of not just one, but a > network of systems and how to keep unknowledgeable users - like traditional > MEs - from hurting themselves and others. The keyword here is 'I'. Other's mileage may and will vary. BTW: Hi2u Outlook and retarded quotation-below-actual-reply. -- Gordon. From cliff at kliphy.com Tue Aug 5 19:17:55 2008 From: cliff at kliphy.com (cliff weisgerber) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:17:55 -0600 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <20080805190606.GA16375@slug.azmolan> References: <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com><017401c8f723$0ab99670$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <20080805190606.GA16375@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <018301c8f72f$f6b093b0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> The key is to have some intelligence and abilities. Learn what you need to know and accept what you do not yet know. Others, who take time to learn, will get the same mileage. Those who do not - like you, I presume - will obviously not even see the distance. BTW, being humor impaired and unfamiliar with nerd/geek humor and it's origins, you should refrain from attempting to insult those who are - you tend to look like you are self-righteous and not too bright. Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Schulz Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:06 PM To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Subject: Re: set up a root password On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:45, cliff weisgerber wrote: > BTW, I was responsible for bringing up 100s of UN*X systems at a dinosaur of > the computer industry during the days of migration to that platform for > engineering tools. I know how to maintain control of not just one, but a > network of systems and how to keep unknowledgeable users - like traditional > MEs - from hurting themselves and others. The keyword here is 'I'. Other's mileage may and will vary. BTW: Hi2u Outlook and retarded quotation-below-actual-reply. -- Gordon. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Aug 5 19:20:27 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:20:27 -0400 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <18bb29490808051101p7feb4feawbc858f8337d4382f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> <18bb29490808051101p7feb4feawbc858f8337d4382f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808051520.27403.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Ulrich Grün wrote: >2008/8/5 Gordon Schulz : >> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:57, Derek Broughton wrote: >>> I respect your right to install a root password, I just >>> think it a very bad idea to tell newbies to do that as their first task - >>> and then laugh about how they might screw everything up if they aren't >>> careful. >> >> Signed. As one also pointing out in this thread how to set a root >> password - not that I'd tell new users to do that, but being able to >> properly su'ing into root makes doing extensive administrative tasks a >> lot easier than sudo'ing around. > >One could, of course, use "sudo -i". This gives the user a root shell >where he can work around as if the user had done "su" or if he/she >logged in as "root" That 'sudo -i' is knowledge that should be passed out a heck of a lot freer than it is. OTOH, that shell with root priv's should somehow make itself marked as such by a border color change or something, as when popping around to the various terminal shells running, it would be too easy to hit the wrong but root shell and mess the whole thing up. I too railed at having to sudo this and sudo that and made a root account that I could log into. But its a one way street, because the only way to undo it seems to be a re-install. Which I did on that box. >-- >Groet, >Ulrich >¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸ >,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > >. " To faith only the holy is true, to knowledge only the true is holy " >. (L. Feuerbach) > >¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸ >,ø¤º°`°º¤ø de.geocities.com/india_ulrich/ -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) He walks as if balancing the family tree on his nose. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 19:30:05 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:30:05 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista> <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808052006.21449.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > and find myself entering my usual root password, tsk, tsk... :-) > Personally I believe that having a separate root password (which I would > expect to be more complex, than a plain old user one) is a good idea, Not if you're using a "...usual root password". > as > on most of my distros, and does give an extra step that a potential hacker > has to go through to get into your machine, but I suppose if they are > determined to get in, they will find a way. It doesn't give an extra step. They already _know_ the user name, they only have to guess your password. Why would it be more complex than a "plain old user one"? Passwords are as complex as the user makes them, and if the user is the sole administrator, the user password is likely to be exactly as complex as the root password. -- derek From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 19:47:40 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:47:40 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <018301c8f72f$f6b093b0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> References: <20080805190606.GA16375@slug.azmolan> <018301c8f72f$f6b093b0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <20080805194740.GA16385@slug.azmolan> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:17, cliff weisgerber wrote: > The key is to have some intelligence and abilities. Learn what you need to > know and accept what you do not yet know. Others, who take time to learn, > will get the same mileage. Those who do not - like you, I presume - will > obviously not even see the distance. > > BTW, being humor impaired and unfamiliar with nerd/geek humor and it's > origins, you should refrain from attempting to insult those who are - you > tend to look like you are self-righteous and not too bright. Yeah... right. Last reply for me in this thread. -- Gordon. From cliff at kliphy.com Tue Aug 5 19:50:38 2008 From: cliff at kliphy.com (cliff weisgerber) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:50:38 -0600 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com><8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista><1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com><200808052006.21449.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <018701c8f734$8945eb40$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> There are various techniques which can be employed to help secure root access to a *nix system, first order of business is full root access to implement these. Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Derek Broughton Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:30 PM To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: set up a root password Nigel Henry wrote: > and find myself entering my usual root password, tsk, tsk... :-) > Personally I believe that having a separate root password (which I would > expect to be more complex, than a plain old user one) is a good idea, Not if you're using a "...usual root password". > as > on most of my distros, and does give an extra step that a potential hacker > has to go through to get into your machine, but I suppose if they are > determined to get in, they will find a way. It doesn't give an extra step. They already _know_ the user name, they only have to guess your password. Why would it be more complex than a "plain old user one"? Passwords are as complex as the user makes them, and if the user is the sole administrator, the user password is likely to be exactly as complex as the root password. -- derek -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From doc.evans at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 19:51:12 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:51:12 -0600 Subject: Fonts for FF, Konq and TB Message-ID: <4898AF30.40506@gmail.com> This has been annoying me for ages, and I've decided that it's time to do something about it. Many non-Latin characters display in Firefox, Thunderbird and Konqueror as a question-mark-in-a-diamond instead of the correct character. The simple question is: how do I fix this? The not-quite-so-simple question is: why does this behaviour happen on a vanilla Kubuntu system, instead of the correct behaviour? For example, my company's home page: www.ipfonix.com, contains some trademark characters that display in this weird manner in FF (but not, in this case, in Konq). Similarly, e-mails from yahoo.com addresses are littered with these characters. Generally I find that two or three times a day I will stumble into this problem. In a sense it's just an annoyance, but it sure stops me from demonstrating Kubuntu to people who visit my house. FWIW, the default fonts for all three programs are fully capable of displaying the correct characters. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Aug 5 20:09:27 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:09:27 -0400 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <018701c8f734$8945eb40$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com> <018701c8f734$8945eb40$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <200808051609.27795.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 05 August 2008, cliff weisgerber wrote: > There are various techniques which can be employed to help secure root > access to a *nix system, first order of business is full root access to > implement these. > > Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." Ok, ok.... stop it will ya? You can argue this point forever and each of us will continue to do what we want. At least none of you are of the school that sez "thou shalt not run as root *EVER* or your will fall off". The rule "you break it, you fix it" applies to all. From zabbarob at googlemail.com Tue Aug 5 20:11:58 2008 From: zabbarob at googlemail.com (Robert Costa) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:11:58 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <018701c8f734$8945eb40$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista> <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808052006.21449.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com> <018701c8f734$8945eb40$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <2a131af80808051311g62221b37o3a2ee7f03d5ec7b5@mail.gmail.com> For what I understood, Ubuntu is pointed at users who do not have knowledge about how a system's security can be improved. Users that are happy to have a system running, more or less as they want to, because they know not much more than how to start a webbrowser, email- or instant messaging client - maybe some office software. Unluckyly, sometimes it is neccessary to do a little administrative work. Those users don't want to remember a second password, as they won't remember it. Probably most of them entered their user name or their companion's name as a password anyway. Still, we wan't to have a system which is more secure than some software monopolist's one, plus it should be more usable too. So using sudo and disabling the root access is just a compromise between how the average, unexperienced user can do a little administrative work without being shocked before even typing the first command, and a secure system. If somebody's a geek, it shouldn't be such a big of a problem to re-enable root-user and work with Ubuntu just as if it was a pure Debian, Gentoo, Redhat, SuSE, Fedora or whatever kind of distribution, while hacking commands into some text console. Ubuntu is for everyone. Not just for geeks. But that's just my opinion about that root-account-discussion. :-) Cya, Robert. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 20:11:45 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:11:45 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> <18bb29490808051101p7feb4feawbc858f8337d4382f@mail.gmail.com> <200808051520.27403.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > OTOH, that shell with root priv's should somehow make itself marked as > such by a border color change or something, as when popping around to the > various terminal shells running, it would be too easy to hit the wrong but > root shell and mess the whole thing up. Can you imagine a way to do this? It's a good idea, but I don't know if it could be done. > I could log into. But its a one way street, because the only way to undo > it > seems to be a re-install. Which I did on that box. Just lock the root account. "sudo passwd -l root". "root" already exists on any Linux system, so this is how its implemented in Ubuntu. -- derek From deep64blue at itguru.org.uk Tue Aug 5 20:22:00 2008 From: deep64blue at itguru.org.uk (Alan Milnes) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:22:00 +0100 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <200808051520.27403.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> <18bb29490808051101p7feb4feawbc858f8337d4382f@mail.gmail.com> <200808051520.27403.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4898B668.2070200@itguru.org.uk> Helpful summary from http://www.debianadmin.com/enable-and-disable-ubuntu-root-password.html To do a one-off admin task in the terminal: # sudo To do several admin tasks in the terminal: # sudo -i (runs the shell environment specified for the root account) # sudo -s (runs the shell environment for the current user, but with root privileges) For all sudo commands, it is YOUR OWN PASSWORD you should give. To do an admin task in Gnome: Press Alt-F2, or in a terminal, enter: gksudo e.g. gksudo gedit /etc/fstab Again, it is your own password you enter. For any GUI application you want to run as root, you should use gksudo not sudo. Alan From cliff at kliphy.com Tue Aug 5 20:24:53 2008 From: cliff at kliphy.com (cliff weisgerber) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:24:53 -0600 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <200808051609.27795.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com><1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com><018701c8f734$8945eb40$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <200808051609.27795.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <019e01c8f739$51e50820$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> You know, I'm just a participant in a thread on a fairly noisy list. I don't participate in threads that do not interest me and I would advise you to do the same rather than tell one of those who do to "stop it". I don't think anyone here is Imperial Grand Poobah, nor does anyone here have control over thread topics. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em, and relax a little. Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Marshall Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:09 PM To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: set up a root password On Tuesday 05 August 2008, cliff weisgerber wrote: > There are various techniques which can be employed to help secure root > access to a *nix system, first order of business is full root access to > implement these. > > Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." Ok, ok.... stop it will ya? You can argue this point forever and each of us will continue to do what we want. At least none of you are of the school that sez "thou shalt not run as root *EVER* or your will fall off". The rule "you break it, you fix it" applies to all. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From juankawada at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 20:28:08 2008 From: juankawada at gmail.com (Juan Kawada) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:28:08 -0600 Subject: No Flash in Firefox 3 but in seamonkey In-Reply-To: <20080730142749.4c1a286b.suse-linux@rwz.de> References: <20080730142749.4c1a286b.suse-linux@rwz.de> Message-ID: Have you tried uninstalling the flash plugin and re-installing? I'm not using kubuntu right now so i can't check, but i think there is a plugin in the repo that's called someting like mozilla-plugin-non-free. try searching mozilla and see what comes up. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Jens Strohschnitter wrote: > Hi list, > > I've updated my Firefox from 2x to 3.0.1. But Flash do not work for me. > The plugin is installed as flashplugin-alternative.so in > [..]firefox-addons/plugins > and [..]firefox/plugins links to that. Also seamonkeys plugindirectory is > linked to firefox-addons/plugins and in seamonkey flash works fine. > I've googled all known flashproblem-solutions but nothing worked for so far > :-( > > -- > kind regards, > > Jens Strohschnitter > > ----------------------------------------- > LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX > > Set the controls > for the heart of the sun > > LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX LINUX > ----------------------------------------- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- --------------- Registered Linux user #475220 register at http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 20:12:52 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:12:52 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com><8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista><1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com><200808052006.21449.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com> <018701c8f734$8945eb40$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <4827664.Fg7dDAPYtT@cedar.serverforest.com> cliff weisgerber wrote: > There are various techniques which can be employed to help secure root > access to a *nix system, first order of business is full root access to > implement these. Which I have without ever giving root a password. Since you insist on top-posting, you're plonked. -- derek From pandarsson at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 20:32:24 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:32:24 -0500 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <200808051532.25584.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Tuesday 05 August 2008 11:57:40 am Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:57, Derek Broughton wrote: > > I respect your right to install a root password, I just > > think it a very bad idea to tell newbies to do that as their first task - > > and then laugh about how they might screw everything up if they aren't > > careful. > > Signed. As one also pointing out in this thread how to set a root > password - not that I'd tell new users to do that, but being able to > properly su'ing into root makes doing extensive administrative tasks a > lot easier than sudo'ing around. > -- > Gordon. Surely, you and all these "gurus" have heard of doing "sudo su", haven't you? It does the same thing without needing to give "root" a password. Is it that hard to type? If I wanted to get into people's systems and I knew they were running Linux, I'd have to thank everyone who gave "root" a password. It'd make my job a hell of a lot easier. Of course, I write this from a distro that gives "root" a password, but I'm seriously considering setting it up otherwise. Don't know if it would cause problems or not, though. From gloonie at earthlink.net Tue Aug 5 20:47:48 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:47:48 -0400 Subject: Fonts for FF, Konq and TB In-Reply-To: <4898AF30.40506@gmail.com> References: <4898AF30.40506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808051647.48518.gloonie@earthlink.net> I've noticed this especially on Arabic and Turkish pages. Sometimes specifying a default font and encoding can fix some of them. However, I agree that this needs looking at. Glenn On Tuesday 05 August 2008 15:51:12 D. R. Evans wrote: > This has been annoying me for ages, and I've decided that it's time to do > something about it. > > Many non-Latin characters display in Firefox, Thunderbird and Konqueror as > a question-mark-in-a-diamond instead of the correct character. > > The simple question is: how do I fix this? > > The not-quite-so-simple question is: why does this behaviour happen on a > vanilla Kubuntu system, instead of the correct behaviour? > > For example, my company's home page: www.ipfonix.com, contains some > trademark characters that display in this weird manner in FF (but not, in > this case, in Konq). Similarly, e-mails from yahoo.com addresses are > littered with these characters. Generally I find that two or three times a > day I will stumble into this problem. In a sense it's just an annoyance, > but it sure stops me from demonstrating Kubuntu to people who visit my > house. > > FWIW, the default fonts for all three programs are fully capable of > displaying the correct characters. > > Doc > > -- > Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Yaşamak bir ağaç gibi tek ve hür ve bir orman gibi kardeşçesine, bu hasret bizim. -- Nazım Hikmet From cliff at kliphy.com Tue Aug 5 20:49:08 2008 From: cliff at kliphy.com (cliff weisgerber) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:49:08 -0600 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <4827664.Fg7dDAPYtT@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com><8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista><1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com><200808052006.21449.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr><1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com><018701c8f734$8945eb40$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <4827664.Fg7dDAPYtT@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <01a801c8f73c$b523cd60$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Plonkety plonk, then. Personally, I prefer not to kludge, but that's just my preference. Cliff "...and now...a Scotsman on a horse..." -----Original Message----- From: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Derek Broughton Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:13 PM To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: RE: set up a root password cliff weisgerber wrote: > There are various techniques which can be employed to help secure root > access to a *nix system, first order of business is full root access to > implement these. Which I have without ever giving root a password. Since you insist on top-posting, you're plonked. -- derek -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From tptagth at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 20:52:31 2008 From: tptagth at yahoo.com (B) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start In-Reply-To: <200808052027.31653.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <928801.11663.qm@web65714.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Karl, > Could this be something with permissions...??? I don't know. If it is permissions then you should be able to fix it by running the "chown" command. The following "chown" command makes karl the owner of, and karl's login group associated with, all files in the "/home/karl" directory and all its subdirectories: # chown --recursive karl: /home/karl Note the "#" prompt so you must do this as root. To get root in a Kubuntu terminal try "sudo su" at the prompt: $ sudo su [sudo] password for karl: # Or for Kubuntu I think you should be able to do $ sudo chown --recursive karl: /home/karl [sudo] password for karl: If you run this command in your home directory all your permissions will be fixed. Brian --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > From: Karl Vanwynsberghe > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:27 PM > Brian, > > I did uncheck the Nepomuk Semantic Desktop but each time i > log back on (or > reboot), it is checked again. > > Some other things i noticed, but not sure if this is wrong; > - While loggin on, i never see the "big K" icon. > - The plasma applets i use disappear each time i reboot. > > Could this be something with permissions...??? > > > Thx for the help! > > K, > > > Op Tuesday 05 August 2008 13:43:04 schreef B: > > Hi Karl, > > > > Try stopping the Nepomuk Service. > > In System Settings click the Advanced tab. > > Then "Nepomuk" and click "OK" when > the window pops up. > > This should bring up the Nepomuk/Strigi Server > Configuration. > > Select the tab "Basic Settings" and Uncheck > "Enable Nepomuk Semantic > > Desktop" and make sure enable Strigi is not > checked. Click Apply and Log > > Out. > > > > My assumptions: > > - You updated your system to KDE4.1 using the > instructions provided at > > http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1. - You're > using the Adept Manager and > > NOT Synaptic Package Manager. I've run into > issues using Synaptic with KDE > > 4.x. - Dolphin version 1.1 > > > > Note that you should make sure to add the widget, > "Application Launcher > > Menu, Traditional Menu Based" in addition to keep > using the default > > "Application Launder". Why have both? > Because I've found that sometimes > > an application (like kate) will only start in the > traditional menu and not > > the default menu. > > > > Also read, http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.1/ so > you're aware which user > > base KDE4.x is targeting. Bugs reported at, > http://bugs.kde.org/. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe > > wrote: > > > From: Karl Vanwynsberghe > > > > Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin > won't start > > > To: "Kubuntu Discussions" > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > ---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ---------- > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't > start > > > Datum: maandag 4 augustus 2008 > > > Van: "p.daniels" > > > > Aan: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > > > On Monday August 4 2008 14:08:06 Karl > Vanwynsberghe > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > After trying to start Dolphin, i get an > bouncing icon > > > > > > for > > > about 30s and > > > > > > > then nothing anymore. > > > > > > > > What could be the cause for not booting up > the > > > > > > program? > > > > > > > (thx for the help....) > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > Could be anything. Try "dolphin" in a > terminal > > > and see if you > > > get any messages. > > > > > > -p. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This is the message i get when typing dolpin in > the > > > terminal; > > > > > > karl at laptop:~$ dolphin > > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error > in thread > > > > > > 3052451616 : > > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - > The name > > > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not > provided by > > > any .service > > > files" > > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error > in thread > > > > > > 3052451616 : "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: > > > Connection refused" > > > dolphin(8658) > ::GlobalModelContainer::init: > > > Failed to connect to > > > Nepomuk server via local socket > > > > "/home/karl/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/socket" > > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error > in thread > > > > > > 3052451616 : > > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - > The name > > > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not > provided by > > > any .service > > > files" > > > ASSERT: "(*it).isValid()" in > > > file > /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.0/kio/kio/previewjob.cpp, > > > line 565 > > > (8657)/: > Communication problem > > > with "dolphin" , it > > > probably crashed. > > > Error message was: > > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : > " > > > "Message did not > > > receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" > " > > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Tue Aug 5 20:54:13 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:54:13 -0700 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <01a801c8f73c$b523cd60$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <4827664.Fg7dDAPYtT@cedar.serverforest.com> <01a801c8f73c$b523cd60$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <200808051354.13271.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Tuesday 05 August 2008 01:49:08 pm cliff weisgerber wrote: > Plonkety plonk, then. Personally, I prefer not to kludge, but that's just > my preference. All righty then! Done -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Aug 5 20:55:26 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:55:26 -0400 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051520.27403.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808051655.26948.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: > > OTOH, that shell with root priv's should somehow make itself marked as > > such by a border color change or something, as when popping around to the > > various terminal shells running, it would be too easy to hit the wrong > > but root shell and mess the whole thing up. > > Can you imagine a way to do this? It's a good idea, but I don't know if it > could be done. It can be done. When I used to run SuSE I once logged into KDE with the root account. The entire background screen was blood red with skull and crossbones (IIRC) and I never did that again. Just used a konsole session to su to root like I do with kubuntu. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Aug 5 20:57:30 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:57:30 -0400 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <019e01c8f739$51e50820$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <200808051609.27795.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <019e01c8f739$51e50820$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <200808051657.31057.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 05 August 2008, cliff weisgerber wrote: > You know, I'm just a participant in a thread on a fairly noisy list. I > don't participate in threads that do not interest me and I would advise you > to do the same rather than tell one of those who do to "stop it". I don't > think anyone here is Imperial Grand Poobah, nor does anyone here have > control over thread topics. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em, and relax a little. Ok, I'd like to talk a little about guns...... and that would go on for-----ever. You missed the point (oh yeh, you did) a discussion like this can go on FOREVER, and fine, if you have nothing else to do than potshoot at everyone for their thoughts, then carry on. But it is a waste of a good forum. From news at pointerstop.ca Tue Aug 5 20:57:41 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:57:41 -0300 Subject: kio-locate (locate: protocol) Message-ID: <1495278.jMJELxkIW1@cedar.serverforest.com> Does anybody know how to use the locate: protocol in konqueror to actually find anything remotely complex? >From a terminal, "locate plone.app.form" gives me 177 matches, but from konqueror, none of these return anything, though "help:kio-locate" says they should: locate:plone.app.form locate:"plone.app.form" locate:plone?app?form locate:plone+app+form I find locate: really useful for simple things but it's annoying that it doesn't even work for a simple "." -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Aug 5 21:01:12 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:01:12 -0500 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <017401c8f723$0ab99670$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com><8F665829E2F1402091FF5D5FEF08DBA0@vista><1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com><20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan><015a01c8f71d$bd5a8ec0$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com> <017401c8f723$0ab99670$a601a8c0@zialnet.local> Message-ID: <4898BF98.2090407@swbell.net> I came to *ubuntu from windows by way of another main stream distro. All I have to maintain is my one system.........well........and my laptop(s). I'm the only user for this machine. It is hooked to the web through about six firewalls [ maintained by my ISP not me ]. I keep nothing of a sensitive nature on the computer. I'm obviously NOT a Poweruser, Geek, or any of that sort of user. I'm just an average "Home User". I do e-mail, browse the web, do a little genealogy research, spend WAY to much money on eBay, that sort of thing. I also try to convert as many people as possible to Linux, *ubuntu in particular. At first it was kind of weired not having a root password but now I find it no big deal. Anything I NEED to do is done with sudo which works just as well as a separate "root" account. I kind of think it's about time Linux stepped out of it's "Geek" culture and realized it's people like me that are the future if it ever wants to get anywhere. This might not set to well with the "oldtimers" but it's how it is. Ok, now that I've pissed off a bunch of people I will go back to lurking in the shadows. Have a nice day. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Tue Aug 5 21:17:11 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:17:11 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <200808052006.21449.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808052317.11430.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Tuesday 05 August 2008 21:30, Derek Broughton wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > and find myself entering my usual root password, > > tsk, tsk... :-) Yes, I know, I know. Probably my situation is a bit different to most users in that I have more than 20 distros installed on my 3 machines. Not having a photographic memory, and not wanting to set up different root passwords for all of them, and having to consult a notebook for the password every time I boot up a distro, and want to get root access, I find myself with one root password. Yes I should change it from time to time just in case. Being on dialup, with dynamic IP addresses, and not running any Internet accessable servers, I'm sort of kidding myself that all is ok, but perhaps could be more security concious. > > > Personally I believe that having a separate root password (which I would > > expect to be more complex, than a plain old user one) is a good idea, > > Not if you're using a "...usual root password". In my case yes, as I use the same root password for all distros. Not a good idea to be sure, > > > as > > on most of my distros, and does give an extra step that a potential > > hacker has to go through to get into your machine, but I suppose if they > > are determined to get in, they will find a way. > > It doesn't give an extra step. They already _know_ the user name, they > only have to guess your password. Why would it be more complex than a > "plain old user one"? Passwords are as complex as the user makes them, and > if the user is the sole administrator, the user password is likely to be > exactly as complex as the root password. I'm comparing many other distros here that have a separate root password. The hacker may know your user name, and perhaps the password is a simple one. With Ubuntu/Kubuntu the hacker can now try sudo with the user password that he has discovered, and is into the inner works of the machine. With other distros, the potential hacker may well find your user password, but then has to find the root password to gain access to the machine, unless he just wants to mess with your user space. I would always suggest creating a non dictionary based password to gain access to root, but can't see your usual Ubuntu/Kubuntu user creating some complex non dictionary based password to login to Gnome/Kde, thus making it more difficult for a potential hacker to gain access. This is not any crititism of Ubuntu/Kubuntu. I 'm happy to work with it as is, and as regards my root passwords for my other distros, I must get around to changing them from time to time. These are serious, but at the same time lighthearted comments. No flame intended, just observations. Nigel. > -- > derek From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Aug 5 22:40:55 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:40:55 -0400 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051520.27403.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808051840.55242.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> OTOH, that shell with root priv's should somehow make itself marked as >> such by a border color change or something, as when popping around to the >> various terminal shells running, it would be too easy to hit the wrong but >> root shell and mess the whole thing up. > >Can you imagine a way to do this? It's a good idea, but I don't know if it >could be done. > I would think that the /root/.bashrc could effect that. >> I could log into. But its a one way street, because the only way to undo >> it >> seems to be a re-install. Which I did on that box. > >Just lock the root account. "sudo passwd -l root". "root" already exists >on any Linux system, so this is how its implemented in Ubuntu. >-- >derek Yes, but what happens to sudu under that lock? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) On the eighth day, God created FORTRAN. From cary at bielenberg.id.au Tue Aug 5 22:44:52 2008 From: cary at bielenberg.id.au (Cary Bielenberg) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:44:52 +1000 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <200808052317.11430.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <677be66b0808041415r4a237b9qe3fb2fdffcf20663@mail.gmail.com> <200808052006.21449.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <1624628.vUqAY1l4hD@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808052317.11430.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <4898D7E4.7070909@bielenberg.id.au> I have 16 Ubuntu servers on my network & I enable the root password, but I do disable ssh logon to the boxes as root though. My rationale is it is a PIA to sudo every time I want to do anything. Also as I install Webmin on my boxes it makes it hard to make changes without root access. Cary Nigel Henry wrote: > On Tuesday 05 August 2008 21:30, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Nigel Henry wrote: >> >>> and find myself entering my usual root password, >>> >> tsk, tsk... :-) >> > > Yes, I know, I know. Probably my situation is a bit different to most users in > that I have more than 20 distros installed on my 3 machines. Not having a > photographic memory, and not wanting to set up different root passwords for > all of them, and having to consult a notebook for the password every time I > boot up a distro, and want to get root access, I find myself with one root > password. Yes I should change it from time to time just in case. > > Being on dialup, with dynamic IP addresses, and not running any Internet > accessable servers, I'm sort of kidding myself that all is ok, but perhaps > could be more security concious. > > > >>> Personally I believe that having a separate root password (which I would >>> expect to be more complex, than a plain old user one) is a good idea, >>> >> Not if you're using a "...usual root password". >> > > In my case yes, as I use the same root password for all distros. Not a good > idea to be sure, > >>> as >>> on most of my distros, and does give an extra step that a potential >>> hacker has to go through to get into your machine, but I suppose if they >>> are determined to get in, they will find a way. >>> >> It doesn't give an extra step. They already _know_ the user name, they >> only have to guess your password. Why would it be more complex than a >> "plain old user one"? Passwords are as complex as the user makes them, and >> if the user is the sole administrator, the user password is likely to be >> exactly as complex as the root password. >> > > I'm comparing many other distros here that have a separate root password. The > hacker may know your user name, and perhaps the password is a simple one. > With Ubuntu/Kubuntu the hacker can now try sudo with the user password that > he has discovered, and is into the inner works of the machine. > > With other distros, the potential hacker may well find your user password, but > then has to find the root password to gain access to the machine, unless he > just wants to mess with your user space. I would always suggest creating a > non dictionary based password to gain access to root, but can't see your > usual Ubuntu/Kubuntu user creating some complex non dictionary based password > to login to Gnome/Kde, thus making it more difficult for a potential hacker > to gain access. > > This is not any crititism of Ubuntu/Kubuntu. I 'm happy to work with it as is, > and as regards my root passwords for my other distros, I must get around to > changing them from time to time. > > These are serious, but at the same time lighthearted comments. No flame > intended, just observations. > > Nigel. > >> -- >> derek >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Aug 6 00:44:24 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:44:24 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <1707708.dbciGGcOdq@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080805165740.GA16317@slug.azmolan> <200808051532.25584.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1278345.3WqLpCP1hb@cedar.serverforest.com> Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > If I wanted to get into people's systems and I knew they were running > Linux, > I'd have to thank everyone who gave "root" a password. It'd make my job a > hell of a lot easier. Of course, I write this from a distro that gives > "root" > a password, but I'm seriously considering setting it up otherwise. Don't > know if it would cause problems or not, though. "Not". Just "sudo passwd -l root" - root still exists, and processes can still have root access, it just isn't possible to log in to the root account. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Aug 6 00:49:46 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:49:46 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051520.27403.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051655.26948.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <2146635.jYnU4H5z2h@cedar.serverforest.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > OTOH, that shell with root priv's should somehow make itself marked as >> > such by a border color change or something, as when popping around to >> > the various terminal shells running, it would be too easy to hit the >> > wrong but root shell and mess the whole thing up. >> >> Can you imagine a way to do this? It's a good idea, but I don't know if >> it could be done. > > It can be done. When I used to run SuSE I once logged into KDE with the > root account. The entire background screen was blood red with skull and > crossbones (IIRC) and I never did that again. Just used a konsole > session to su to root like I do with kubuntu. But what you're doing is logging into KDE with an account that's set to have a specific background. That part's easy. What I'm thinking of, and I think what Gene meant, is that when I'm in my own account and I open a terminal (e.g. konsole) window it gets a certain background color - then when I use "sudo" it would change the background for the duration of the "sudo" command. I think you couldn't do it for a non-interactive command (which is less important, anyway) but it might be possible with the bash settings for "sudo -i" (ie, bash sets a background color itself in the root login) -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Aug 6 00:54:50 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:54:50 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051520.27403.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051840.55242.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2010259.edlAgmWzuD@cedar.serverforest.com> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Derek Broughton wrote: >>Gene Heskett wrote: >>> OTOH, that shell with root priv's should somehow make itself marked as >>> such by a border color change or something, as when popping around to >>> the various terminal shells running, it would be too easy to hit the >>> wrong but root shell and mess the whole thing up. >> >>Can you imagine a way to do this? It's a good idea, but I don't know if >>it could be done. >> > I would think that the /root/.bashrc could effect that. Yeah, I was just thinking of that - at least bash has some support for coloring output. It's not something I've played with. In that case "sudo -i" would get colored (as would "su" if you had a root password), "sudo -s" wouldn't. I really don't recommend "sudo -s" anyway. >>> I could log into. But its a one way street, because the only way to >>> undo it seems to be a re-install. Which I did on that box. >> >>Just lock the root account. "sudo passwd -l root". "root" already exists >>on any Linux system, so this is how its implemented in Ubuntu. > > Yes, but what happens to sudu under that lock? It doesn't hurt sudo - I did try it. I figured the least I could do before giving someone advice that could potentially be, at the very least, a massive PITA was try it on my own machine :-) -- derek From john.j35 at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 04:41:22 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:41:22 -0500 Subject: Login Manager! Message-ID: Where can I choose the login manager? I would prefer to use GDM rather than KDM. Where can I set the ability to login to a machine remotely, I would like to do this across my local network. Thanks In Advance. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From kassube at gmx.net Wed Aug 6 05:03:04 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:03:04 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051520.27403.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808060703.04190.kassube@gmx.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > OTOH, that shell with root priv's should somehow make itself marked > > as such by a border color change or something, as when popping around > > to the various terminal shells running, it would be too easy to hit > > the wrong but root shell and mess the whole thing up. > > Can you imagine a way to do this? It's a good idea, but I don't know > if it could be done. You could put something like this line [ "$UID" = 0 ] && PS1='\[\033[01m\033[41m\033[37m\]\h: \w/ #\[\033[m\] ' in the files $HOME/.bashrc and /root/.bashrc right before this line: export PS1 PS2 ignoreeof It will give you a white prompt with red background independent of the way you get a root shell. Nils From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 05:22:34 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:22:34 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808060722.34368.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 06:41:22 John Pierce wrote: > Where can I set the ability to login to a machine remotely, I would > like to do this across my local > network. The easiest way (I have found) is to enable ssh on your 'server'. Install sshd, set it up (not too hard, lots of advice on the web) and then use ssh (from a konsole) from your other machine, something like this: ssh user at hostname If you want to run gui apps on your client machine (if it's Gnu/Linux *): ssh -X user at hostname Now you can start things like: konqueror & * If it's not then you need to install a X server and so on, but this is not that hard to do. Until I replaced win XP on my laptop I used putty and a free X server to run gui apps from my Kubuntu box on my win desktop. There are cool things like sshfs which let you mount another machine on a local drive. You can also use fish://user at hostname/directory directly from konqueror. Nautilus (Gnome file manager) handles it through sftp (secure ftp) but it amounts to the same thing. It's secure, fast and very convenient. \d From afalls at qvxlabs.com Wed Aug 6 05:38:16 2008 From: afalls at qvxlabs.com (Ardavon Falls) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:38:16 -0700 Subject: Issue with LDAP and DHCP, any ideas? Message-ID: <489938C8.30308@qvxlabs.com> When using LDAP and DHCP, it fails to get a DHCP lease frequently and login is unbearably slow because pam spending its time waiting for it to time-out trying to reach the LDAP server. NOTE: I modified my interfaces file to include both eth0 as well as lo (by default it only has lo). Now, if I don't use ldap, then I can log in using a local user and then once I log in, it tries to do a DHCP request that works most of the time. Also, when I do sudo /etc/networking restart it takes for ever and never recieves a dhcp response. I know that you are thinking there must be something weird about my dhcp server, but back when I had an older version of Kubuntu running, it worked fine. Any ideas anyone? I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 amd64 Thanks !DSPAM:489938ca13611365319452! From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Wed Aug 6 07:21:40 2008 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: missing lib Message-ID: <20080806072140.95638408A6F@xpresso.com> Where can i find libpng.so.3? Thanks in advance. Bill -- ******************************************************************************** * * RKBA! * Blessings on thee, oh Israel!!! * 4-19! * * ******************************************************************************** An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured by | All Matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by Colt; | --Max Planck | weapon, sell his hand = Freedom | Dial | In the beginning was the | garment, and buy a on every side!! | 1-911-A1 | Word. --The Holy Bible | sword. --Jesus Christ ******************************************************************************** Constitutional Government is dead! LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!! ******************************************************************************** From info at alvin.be Wed Aug 6 07:32:15 2008 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:32:15 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808060932.26946.info@alvin.be> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 06:41:22 John Pierce wrote: > Where can I choose the login manager? I would prefer to use GDM > rather than KDM. You can install gdm. It will automatically be set as the default login manager. You can also choose the default login manager with the following command: $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm (or gdm, or kdm-kde4) > Where can I set the ability to login to a machine remotely, I would > like to do this across my local > network. XDMCP is insecure, but in most local networks, there's no need to worry. Ubuntu (or Gnome) has a graphical tool to configure this with gdm. If you're using kdm, execute the following instructions: Edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc (or /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc) comment the following line: #ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp (important part is the removal of '-nolisten tcp') Edit /etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess (or /etc/kde4/kdm/Xaccess) Easiest method is uncommenting * You're done now. Restart X. On the client pc (actually the server), choose 'Remote Login' in the login manager. You will probably see the XDMCP host. Just select it and log in. Now, there is something that possibly will go wrong while disabling '-nolisten tcp'. See https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/14497 for a solution. Good luck -- Alvin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From kassube at gmx.net Wed Aug 6 07:41:05 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:41:05 +0200 Subject: missing lib In-Reply-To: <20080806072140.95638408A6F@xpresso.com> References: <20080806072140.95638408A6F@xpresso.com> Message-ID: <200808060941.05987.kassube@gmx.net> Bill Vance wrote: > Where can i find libpng.so.3? In package "libpng3". Nils From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 07:56:23 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:56:23 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808060932.26946.info@alvin.be> References: <200808060932.26946.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <200808060956.23987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 09:32:15 Alvin wrote: > XDMCP Forgive my lazyness, but wtf *is* XDMCP? It's one of the worst acronyms I have seen so far :) I have seen it here and there on Ubuntu, but it's so self-indiscriptive that I never have looked into it. \d -- I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. -- Thomas Carlyle Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From pandarsson at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 07:58:11 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 02:58:11 -0500 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808060956.23987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200808060932.26946.info@alvin.be> <200808060956.23987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808060258.13134.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 2:56:23 am Donn wrote: > On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 09:32:15 Alvin wrote: > > XDMCP > > Forgive my lazyness, but wtf *is* XDMCP? > It's one of the worst acronyms I have seen so far :) I have seen it here > and there on Ubuntu, but it's so self-indiscriptive that I never have > looked into it. X-ray doctor meets crazy patient. Duh. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 08:19:02 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:19:02 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808060258.13134.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200808060956.23987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200808060258.13134.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200808061019.02893.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 09:58:11 Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > X-ray doctor meets crazy patient. Duh. Xactly dammit, my complete problem! :D \d -- He has Van Gogh's ear for music. -- Billy Wilder Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From pandarsson at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 08:34:45 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:34:45 -0500 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808061019.02893.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200808060258.13134.pandarsson@yahoo.com> <200808061019.02893.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808060334.48289.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 3:19:02 am Donn wrote: > On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 09:58:11 Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > > X-ray doctor meets crazy patient. Duh. > > Xactly dammit, my complete problem! Xenon depletion mitigates craft propulsion? Okay, I'm done. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 09:23:45 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:23:45 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808060334.48289.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <200808061019.02893.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200808060334.48289.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200808061123.45607.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 10:34:45 Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > Okay, I'm done. Aw c'mon! It's the X ain't it? :D \d From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 11:33:39 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:33:39 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1 won't start In-Reply-To: <200808041856.36651.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <48977E28.6050003@gmail.com> <200808041856.36651.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <48998C13.1060506@gmail.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Monday 04 August 2008, Eric wrote: >> I just upgraded from 6.06 LTS to 8.04.1. I installed KDE 4.1. When I try >> to start it the screen says KDE 4.1 and then it shows graphically the >> different processes are shown loading. It gets all the way to the "K" >> and then it goes back to the login screen. >> >> Any ideas? > > This can sometime happen of KDE can't write to the home directory... or some > other spot that is necessary to write to. > > Look through your log files or try starting kdm from a CLI. /etc/init.d/kdm > start > > and look for error messages. I'm not sure I understand. I booted up in text mode and I issued the command kdm. I got no response. No error message. Nothing changed in any way visibly. Is that the way you were suggesting I issue this command? Eric > > From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 11:36:03 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:36:03 -0400 Subject: CDs not recognized in 8.04.1 In-Reply-To: References: <48977D08.3070308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48998CA3.8070606@gmail.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/8/5 Eric : >> I just upgraded from 6.06 LTS to 8.04.1. I went to copy a CD and K3B >> told me it couldn't find any CDs at all on my system. I have 2 and one >> is a dvd and CD burner. >> >> Any idea how I can get Kubuntu to see my CD drives? >> > > Yes i do. It looks like it's my old bug i reported when i first > upgraded to Hardy. Look for the solution in the bugreport > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/223534 > > / Jonas > I tried that. There was no change. I've got to figure this out or else I won't be able to use Kubuntu, at least not 8.04.1. Eric From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 11:39:13 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:39:13 +0200 Subject: Repo problem Message-ID: <48998D61.5030307@gmail.com> Am I the only one getting this message after apt-get update: W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems Given that I have just run "sudo aptitude update" and/or "sudo apt-get update" I dont think the suggested solution helps ;-) Regards, Sinclair From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Aug 6 11:46:57 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:46:57 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1 won't start In-Reply-To: <48998C13.1060506@gmail.com> References: <48977E28.6050003@gmail.com> <200808041856.36651.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48998C13.1060506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808060746.57898.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 7:33:39 am Eric wrote: > Bruce Marshall wrote: > > On Monday 04 August 2008, Eric wrote: > >> I just upgraded from 6.06 LTS to 8.04.1. I installed KDE 4.1. When I try > >> to start it the screen says KDE 4.1 and then it shows graphically the > >> different processes are shown loading. It gets all the way to the "K" > >> and then it goes back to the login screen. > >> > >> Any ideas? > > > > This can sometime happen of KDE can't write to the home directory... or > > some other spot that is necessary to write to. > > > > Look through your log files or try starting kdm from a CLI. > > /etc/init.d/kdm start > > > > and look for error messages. > > I'm not sure I understand. I booted up in text mode and I issued the > command kdm. I got no response. No error message. Nothing changed in any > way visibly. Is that the way you were suggesting I issue this command? I haven't been following this thread very closely, but I wonder if anyone has suggested booting into text mode and renaming his .kde folder and then use the command startx If kde starts then some configuration in .kde is messed up, if not he probably has a problem with his XOrg config. David M. From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 12:21:58 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:21:58 +0200 Subject: CDs not recognized in 8.04.1 In-Reply-To: <48998CA3.8070606@gmail.com> References: <48977D08.3070308@gmail.com> <48998CA3.8070606@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/6 Eric : > > I tried that. There was no change. I've got to figure this out or else I > won't be able to use Kubuntu, at least not 8.04.1. > > Eric > Strange i was sure that was the problem. Can you give me the output of "ls -l /dev/cd*" and "ls -l /dev/dvd*" and "ls -l /dev/scd*". Any sign in dmesg of your cd/dvd? Search with "dmesg | grep -i dvd". / Jonas From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 12:28:24 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:28:24 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1 won't start In-Reply-To: <200808060746.57898.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <48977E28.6050003@gmail.com> <200808041856.36651.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48998C13.1060506@gmail.com> <200808060746.57898.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <489998E8.3020100@gmail.com> David McGlone wrote: > On Wednesday 06 August 2008 7:33:39 am Eric wrote: >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> On Monday 04 August 2008, Eric wrote: >>>> I just upgraded from 6.06 LTS to 8.04.1. I installed KDE 4.1. When I try >>>> to start it the screen says KDE 4.1 and then it shows graphically the >>>> different processes are shown loading. It gets all the way to the "K" >>>> and then it goes back to the login screen. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>> This can sometime happen of KDE can't write to the home directory... or >>> some other spot that is necessary to write to. >>> >>> Look through your log files or try starting kdm from a CLI. >>> /etc/init.d/kdm start >>> >>> and look for error messages. >> I'm not sure I understand. I booted up in text mode and I issued the >> command kdm. I got no response. No error message. Nothing changed in any >> way visibly. Is that the way you were suggesting I issue this command? > > I haven't been following this thread very closely, but I wonder if anyone has The entire thread except for one message is written above. > suggested booting into text mode and renaming his .kde folder and then use > the command startx > > If kde starts then some configuration in .kde is messed up, if not he probably > has a problem with his XOrg config. I'm not sure what the default KDE is that comes with 8.04.1 but that's installed and it loads. What will happen to it if I rename the .kde folder? Thanks for your help. Eric > > David M. > > > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Aug 6 12:48:17 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:48:17 -0400 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <200808060703.04190.kassube@gmx.net> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808060703.04190.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200808060848.18072.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Nils Kassube wrote: >Derek Broughton wrote: >> Gene Heskett wrote: >> > OTOH, that shell with root priv's should somehow make itself marked >> > as such by a border color change or something, as when popping around >> > to the various terminal shells running, it would be too easy to hit >> > the wrong but root shell and mess the whole thing up. >> >> Can you imagine a way to do this? It's a good idea, but I don't know >> if it could be done. > >You could put something like this line > >[ "$UID" = 0 ] && PS1='\[\033[01m\033[41m\033[37m\]\h: \w/ #\[\033[m\] ' > >in the files $HOME/.bashrc and /root/.bashrc right before this line: > >export PS1 PS2 ignoreeof > >It will give you a white prompt with red background independent of the way >you get a root shell. > > >Nils That looks as if it should work nicely. One other question? I'm in a root shell, and I want to build the latest amanda snapshot, so I "su amanada;cd" which puts me in ~/amanda where I build these. Will it keep that background I have while I'm running as amanda, in this same shell? It seems like it would, but ATM I haven't checked. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Walk softly and carry a big stick. -- Theodore Roosevelt From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 12:56:04 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:56:04 -0400 Subject: CDs not recognized in 8.04.1 In-Reply-To: References: <48977D08.3070308@gmail.com> <48998CA3.8070606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48999F64.40709@gmail.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/8/6 Eric : >> I tried that. There was no change. I've got to figure this out or else I >> won't be able to use Kubuntu, at least not 8.04.1. >> >> Eric >> > > Strange i was sure that was the problem. Can you give me the output of > "ls -l /dev/cd*" and "ls -l /dev/dvd*" and "ls -l /dev/scd*". Any sign > in dmesg of your cd/dvd? Search with "dmesg | grep -i dvd". > > / Jonas > The output from ls -1 /dev/cd was /dev/cdrom /dev/cdrom1 /dev/cdrw /dev/cdrw1 The output from ls -1 /dev/dvd was /dev/dvd1 /dev/dvdrw1 The output from ls -1 /dev/scd was /dev/scd0 /dev/scd1 The output from dmesg was [ 39.951377] ata2.00: ATAPI: SONY DVD RW DRU-530A, 1.0e, max UDMA/33 [ 40.296438] scsi 1:0:0:0: CD-ROM SONY DVD RW DRU-530A 1.0e PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 I guess this means that the computer is aware of my drives. Eric From ashishyadav26 at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 13:03:07 2008 From: ashishyadav26 at gmail.com (Ashish Yadav) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:33:07 +0530 Subject: mirror for KDE 4.1 repository Message-ID: Hi, Is there any mirror for following repository "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main"? I've got it from "http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1", but it is horribly slow. -- Regards, Ashish "There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't" From kassube at gmx.net Wed Aug 6 13:29:33 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:29:33 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <200808060848.18072.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808060703.04190.kassube@gmx.net> <200808060848.18072.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200808061529.33741.kassube@gmx.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Nils Kassube wrote: > >It will give you a white prompt with red background independent of the > > way you get a root shell. > > > That looks as if it should work nicely. One other question? I'm in a > root shell, and I want to build the latest amanda snapshot, so I "su > amanada;cd" which puts me in ~/amanda where I build these. Will it ^^^^^^^^ I suppose you mean "/home/amanda". > keep that background I have while I'm running as amanda, in this same > shell? It seems like it would, but ATM I haven't checked. No, it will only use that colour prompt for root. But you could modify the colours to identify individual users. Use the command PS1='\[\033[01m\033[41m\033[37m\]\h: \w/ #\[\033[m\] ' on a command line and modify the numbers 41 and 37 in that string to find out what colour combinations you like. Here is an excerpt from the file /etc/DIR_COLORS from an old SUSE distribution, that's where I found the colour numbers. # Below are the color init strings for the basic file types. A color init # string consists of one or more of the following numeric codes: # Attribute codes: # 00=none 01=bold 04=underscore 05=blink 07=reverse 08=concealed # Text color codes: # 30=black 31=red 32=green 33=yellow 34=blue 35=magenta 36=cyan 37=white # Background color codes: # 40=black 41=red 42=green 43=yellow 44=blue 45=magenta 46=cyan 47=white Then put the command with the colour combination you like in the file ~/.bashrc of the user in question before the line which makes the colour prompt for root. Nils From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Aug 6 13:48:04 2008 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:48:04 -0400 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <200808061529.33741.kassube@gmx.net> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808060848.18072.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200808061529.33741.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200808060948.04523.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Nils Kassube wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Nils Kassube wrote: >> >It will give you a white prompt with red background independent of the >> > way you get a root shell. >> >> That looks as if it should work nicely. One other question? I'm in a >> root shell, and I want to build the latest amanda snapshot, so I "su >> amanada;cd" which puts me in ~/amanda where I build these. Will it > > ^^^^^^^^ I suppose you mean "/home/amanda". > >> keep that background I have while I'm running as amanda, in this same >> shell? It seems like it would, but ATM I haven't checked. > >No, it will only use that colour prompt for root. But you could modify the >colours to identify individual users. Use the command > >PS1='\[\033[01m\033[41m\033[37m\]\h: \w/ #\[\033[m\] ' > >on a command line and modify the numbers 41 and 37 in that string to find >out what colour combinations you like. Here is an excerpt from the >file /etc/DIR_COLORS from an old SUSE distribution, that's where I found >the colour numbers. > ># Below are the color init strings for the basic file types. A color init ># string consists of one or more of the following numeric codes: ># Attribute codes: ># 00=none 01=bold 04=underscore 05=blink 07=reverse 08=concealed ># Text color codes: ># 30=black 31=red 32=green 33=yellow 34=blue 35=magenta 36=cyan 37=white ># Background color codes: ># 40=black 41=red 42=green 43=yellow 44=blue 45=magenta 46=cyan 47=white > >Then put the command with the colour combination you like in the file >~/.bashrc of the user in question before the line which makes the colour >prompt for root. > > Neat, thanks Nils. >Nils -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it to? -- Clarence Darrow From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 13:57:05 2008 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:57:05 -0400 Subject: CDs not recognized in 8.04.1 In-Reply-To: References: <48977D08.3070308@gmail.com> <48998CA3.8070606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4899ADB1.5010903@gmail.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/8/6 Eric : >> I tried that. There was no change. I've got to figure this out or else I >> won't be able to use Kubuntu, at least not 8.04.1. >> >> Eric >> > > Strange i was sure that was the problem. Can you give me the output of > "ls -l /dev/cd*" and "ls -l /dev/dvd*" and "ls -l /dev/scd*". Any sign > in dmesg of your cd/dvd? Search with "dmesg | grep -i dvd". > > / Jonas > I just tried again. This time the DVD drive loaded the DVD. The other drive attempted to load a CD but failed. It did try to play an audio CD but neither Amorok or Kaffiene would play it. I have suspected that there is something wrong with this drive for awhile. Sometimes the drive light will go on and stay on for a long time even when there is no CD in it. If I have a chance this weekend, I 'll try swapping with another drive that I have. Thanks for your help. Eric From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Aug 6 14:17:19 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:17:19 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051520.27403.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <3543903.08JrRiEKnG@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808060703.04190.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <8151581.tTHd1s3tpv@cedar.serverforest.com> Nils Kassube wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Gene Heskett wrote: >> > OTOH, that shell with root priv's should somehow make itself marked >> > as such by a border color change or something, as when popping around >> > to the various terminal shells running, it would be too easy to hit >> > the wrong but root shell and mess the whole thing up. >> >> Can you imagine a way to do this? It's a good idea, but I don't know >> if it could be done. > > You could put something like this line > > [ "$UID" = 0 ] && PS1='\[\033[01m\033[41m\033[37m\]\h: \w/ #\[\033[m\] ' > > in the files $HOME/.bashrc and /root/.bashrc right before this line: > > export PS1 PS2 ignoreeof I didn't actually have those in either my .bashrc or root's. > It will give you a white prompt with red background independent of the way > you get a root shell. Very cool - I had worked out that I could do that (but not how) in root's .bashrc, but it hadn't occurred to me that I could use it in my own, and get that same effect if I use "sudo -s" (which I don't, but it's still worth having). Thanks, Nils. -- derek From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Aug 6 15:04:10 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:04:10 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1 won't start In-Reply-To: <48998C13.1060506@gmail.com> References: <48977E28.6050003@gmail.com> <200808041856.36651.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <48998C13.1060506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808061104.10753.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Eric wrote: > I'm not sure I understand. I booted up in text mode and I issued the > command kdm. I got no response. No error message. Nothing changed in any > way visibly. Is that the way you were suggesting I issue this command? You probably had an instance of KDM already running. Make sure kdm isn't running before issuing the command. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Aug 6 15:10:24 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:10:24 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1 won't start In-Reply-To: <489998E8.3020100@gmail.com> References: <48977E28.6050003@gmail.com> <200808060746.57898.d.mcglone@att.net> <489998E8.3020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808061110.24646.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Eric wrote: > I'm not sure what the default KDE is that comes with 8.04.1 but that's > installed and it loads. What will happen to it if I rename the .kde folder? > > Thanks for your help. If you rename it, KDE will create a new one with default settings. Not a bad thing in my view and sometimes the only way to resolve an issue like that. And when you get good at it, you can copy things out of the renamed directory (like email addresses) into the new .kde directory. But have you checked the permissions on your home directory? When you installed 8.01, it might have given your user a new UID and you would need to change the ownership of files. All of this is a major reason why I never do an update in place. Always install fresh to new partitions and setting the old release partitions aside. From alain.muls at telenet.be Wed Aug 6 15:34:52 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:34:52 +0200 Subject: KDE v4.1 Message-ID: <4899C49C.6040003@telenet.be> Hi kubuntu-users I already reported that I regularly took a test run of KDE v4. Since the release of the v4.1 I am really enjoining the new KDE and it is with some regrets that I dare not use it during "work hours". A couple of questions remain open for me: - when you add widgets to the panels, one can select to have them justified (L-R-C), but I miss a sort op separator or spacer to create empty space between the widgets. - is there a widget which displays a popup with all open applications in them? - the scroll on background and consequently switching of desktops does not seem to work - I try konqueror for webbrowsing but I miss the smooth scroll from firefox and the search as you type feature, though I saw in the toolbar customization that there is such an entry I sincerely hope the HDE team can keep up its work! Tx guys Bye/Alain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have explained that we would not want to use the computers that are in the room, but would bring our own, those of is who have laptops. The internet should be available via a wireless link. I am waiting for confirmation of that. There is a kitchen where we could make tea or coffee (bring your own supplies). I have not yet finalised about the cost of the room, but they will try to keep it as low as possible. More info soon ...... Neil Winchurst From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Wed Aug 6 15:45:45 2008 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:45:45 -0700 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808060956.23987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200808060932.26946.info@alvin.be> <200808060956.23987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808060845.45815.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 12:56:23 am Donn wrote: > On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 09:32:15 Alvin wrote: > > XDMCP > > Forgive my lazyness, but wtf *is* XDMCP? I'm not sure laziness is forgivable... -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Aug 6 16:36:50 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:36:50 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1 won't start In-Reply-To: <489998E8.3020100@gmail.com> References: <48977E28.6050003@gmail.com> <200808060746.57898.d.mcglone@att.net> <489998E8.3020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808061236.50423.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 8:28:24 am Eric wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > On Wednesday 06 August 2008 7:33:39 am Eric wrote: > >> Bruce Marshall wrote: > >>> On Monday 04 August 2008, Eric wrote: > >>>> I just upgraded from 6.06 LTS to 8.04.1. I installed KDE 4.1. When I > >>>> try to start it the screen says KDE 4.1 and then it shows graphically > >>>> the different processes are shown loading. It gets all the way to the > >>>> "K" and then it goes back to the login screen. > >>>> > >>>> Any ideas? > >>> > >>> This can sometime happen of KDE can't write to the home directory... > >>> or some other spot that is necessary to write to. > >>> > >>> Look through your log files or try starting kdm from a CLI. > >>> /etc/init.d/kdm start > >>> > >>> and look for error messages. > >> > >> I'm not sure I understand. I booted up in text mode and I issued the > >> command kdm. I got no response. No error message. Nothing changed in any > >> way visibly. Is that the way you were suggesting I issue this command? > > > > I haven't been following this thread very closely, but I wonder if anyone > > has > > The entire thread except for one message is written above. > > > suggested booting into text mode and renaming his .kde folder and then > > use the command startx > > > > If kde starts then some configuration in .kde is messed up, if not he > > probably has a problem with his XOrg config. > > I'm not sure what the default KDE is that comes with 8.04.1 but that's > installed and it loads. What will happen to it if I rename the .kde folder? what will happen is when you log back into KDE, it will automatically create another .kde folder with all default settings. And if it works, this will show that there is a problem within your .kde folder and not with your X configuration. just boot to a console and type mv .kde .kde.bak then type: startx X will probably now start. Also when you log back out of X it will take you back to the console until you actually reboot your machine, so don't panic if you log out and it takes you back to the console just reboot and from then on X will automatically start. David M. From d.mcglone at att.net Wed Aug 6 16:38:26 2008 From: d.mcglone at att.net (David McGlone) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:38:26 -0400 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808060845.45815.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <200808060956.23987.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200808060845.45815.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200808061238.26572.d.mcglone@att.net> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 11:45:45 am Pastor JW wrote: > On Wednesday 06 August 2008 12:56:23 am Donn wrote: > > On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 09:32:15 Alvin wrote: > > > XDMCP > > > > Forgive my lazyness, but wtf *is* XDMCP? > > I'm not sure laziness is forgivable... Nor is the language! David M. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 16:53:27 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:53:27 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808061238.26572.d.mcglone@att.net> References: <200808060845.45815.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200808061238.26572.d.mcglone@att.net> Message-ID: <200808061853.27862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 18:38:26 David McGlone wrote: > > I'm not sure laziness is forgivable... > Nor is the language! Oi! Twice damned :) But does anyone know what XDMCP is yet? \d From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 17:07:07 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:07:07 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808061853.27862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200808060845.45815.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <200808061238.26572.d.mcglone@att.net> <200808061853.27862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2cdd5ab10808061007l2b9a49c4kdd1311cd0bdf8115@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Donn wrote: > Oi! Twice damned :) But does anyone know what XDMCP is yet? X display manager control protocol. -- Greetings, Gordon. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 17:21:20 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:21:20 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <2cdd5ab10808061007l2b9a49c4kdd1311cd0bdf8115@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808061853.27862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808061007l2b9a49c4kdd1311cd0bdf8115@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808061921.20085.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 19:07:07 Gordon Schulz wrote: > X display manager control protocol. Okay! Baby steps now -- what can it do for one? Is it like vnc or like ssh -X or what? \d -- If there is anyone in the audience who believes in telekinesis, please raise my hand! -- James Randi Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From kassube at gmx.net Wed Aug 6 17:13:33 2008 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:13:33 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808061853.27862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200808061238.26572.d.mcglone@att.net> <200808061853.27862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808061913.33130.kassube@gmx.net> Donn wrote: > But does anyone know what XDMCP is yet? Does this help? Nils From donn.ingle at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 17:37:46 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:37:46 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <200808061913.33130.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200808061853.27862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200808061913.33130.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200808061937.46457.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 19:13:33 Nils Kassube wrote: > Does this help? Oh nice, make me go and read on the tubes... :) Tah. \d From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Wed Aug 6 17:42:21 2008 From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:42:21 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start In-Reply-To: <928801.11663.qm@web65714.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <928801.11663.qm@web65714.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200808061942.22581.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Hi, I've used the following; :~$ sudo chown karl.karl /home/karl/ -R After that, i noticed that KDE remembered my settings again. But Dolphin didn't work yet... So i've deleted the complete .KDE4 directory (as KDE creates a complete new folder with default settings when logging back on...) And now, ALL IS OK !!! PROBLEM SOLVED YEAHA Thanks for the help! Karl, Op Tuesday 05 August 2008 22:52:31 schreef B: > Hi Karl, > > > Could this be something with permissions...??? > > I don't know. If it is permissions then you should be able to fix it by > running the "chown" command. > > The following "chown" command makes karl the owner of, and karl's login > group associated with, all files in the "/home/karl" directory and all its > subdirectories: # chown --recursive karl: /home/karl > > Note the "#" prompt so you must do this as root. To get root in a Kubuntu > terminal try "sudo su" at the prompt: $ sudo su > [sudo] password for karl: > # > > Or for Kubuntu I think you should be able to do > $ sudo chown --recursive karl: /home/karl > [sudo] password for karl: > > If you run this command in your home directory all your permissions will be > fixed. > > Brian > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > > From: Karl Vanwynsberghe > > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start > > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:27 PM > > Brian, > > > > I did uncheck the Nepomuk Semantic Desktop but each time i > > log back on (or > > reboot), it is checked again. > > > > Some other things i noticed, but not sure if this is wrong; > > - While loggin on, i never see the "big K" icon. > > - The plasma applets i use disappear each time i reboot. > > > > Could this be something with permissions...??? > > > > > > Thx for the help! > > > > K, > > > > Op Tuesday 05 August 2008 13:43:04 schreef B: > > > Hi Karl, > > > > > > Try stopping the Nepomuk Service. > > > In System Settings click the Advanced tab. > > > Then "Nepomuk" and click "OK" when > > > > the window pops up. > > > > > This should bring up the Nepomuk/Strigi Server > > > > Configuration. > > > > > Select the tab "Basic Settings" and Uncheck > > > > "Enable Nepomuk Semantic > > > > > Desktop" and make sure enable Strigi is not > > > > checked. Click Apply and Log > > > > > Out. > > > > > > My assumptions: > > > - You updated your system to KDE4.1 using the > > > > instructions provided at > > > > > http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1. - You're > > > > using the Adept Manager and > > > > > NOT Synaptic Package Manager. I've run into > > > > issues using Synaptic with KDE > > > > > 4.x. - Dolphin version 1.1 > > > > > > Note that you should make sure to add the widget, > > > > "Application Launcher > > > > > Menu, Traditional Menu Based" in addition to keep > > > > using the default > > > > > "Application Launder". Why have both? > > > > Because I've found that sometimes > > > > > an application (like kate) will only start in the > > > > traditional menu and not > > > > > the default menu. > > > > > > Also read, http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.1/ so > > > > you're aware which user > > > > > base KDE4.x is targeting. Bugs reported at, > > > > http://bugs.kde.org/. > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > From: Karl Vanwynsberghe > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin > > > > won't start > > > > > > To: "Kubuntu Discussions" > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > ---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ---------- > > > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't > > > > start > > > > > > Datum: maandag 4 augustus 2008 > > > > Van: "p.daniels" > > > > > > > > > > Aan: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > > > > > On Monday August 4 2008 14:08:06 Karl > > > > Vanwynsberghe > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > After trying to start Dolphin, i get an > > > > bouncing icon > > > > > > for > > > > about 30s and > > > > > > > > > then nothing anymore. > > > > > > > > > > What could be the cause for not booting up > > > > the > > > > > > program? > > > > > > > > > (thx for the help....) > > > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > > > Could be anything. Try "dolphin" in a > > > > terminal > > > > > > and see if you > > > > get any messages. > > > > > > > > -p. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This is the message i get when typing dolpin in > > > > the > > > > > > terminal; > > > > > > > > karl at laptop:~$ dolphin > > > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error > > > > in thread > > > > > > 3052451616 : > > > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - > > > > The name > > > > > > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not > > > > provided by > > > > > > any .service > > > > files" > > > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error > > > > in thread > > > > > > 3052451616 : "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: > > > > Connection refused" > > > > dolphin(8658) > > > > ::GlobalModelContainer::init: > > > > Failed to connect to > > > > Nepomuk server via local socket > > > > "/home/karl/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/socket" > > > > > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error > > > > in thread > > > > > > 3052451616 : > > > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - > > > > The name > > > > > > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not > > > > provided by > > > > > > any .service > > > > files" > > > > ASSERT: "(*it).isValid()" in > > > > file > > > > /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.0/kio/kio/previewjob.cpp, > > > > > > line 565 > > > > (8657)/: > > > > Communication problem > > > > > > with "dolphin" , it > > > > probably crashed. > > > > Error message was: > > > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : > > > > " > > > > > > "Message did not > > > > receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" > > > > " > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > > > -- > > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From gloonie at earthlink.net Wed Aug 6 17:58:01 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:58:01 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start In-Reply-To: <200808061942.22581.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> References: <928801.11663.qm@web65714.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <200808061942.22581.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200808061358.01243.gloonie@earthlink.net> I've used that solution for some other things as well. Some stale files from prior releases I suppose. Just remember to back up data if you need to, especial kontact-related things like kmail, kabc (contacts), calendar, etc. Glenn On Wednesday 06 August 2008 13:42:21 Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > Hi, > > I've used the following; > > :~$ sudo chown karl.karl /home/karl/ -R > > After that, i noticed that KDE remembered my settings again. > > But Dolphin didn't work yet... > So i've deleted the complete .KDE4 directory > (as KDE creates a complete new folder with default settings when logging > back on...) > > And now, ALL IS OK !!! > > PROBLEM SOLVED YEAHA > > > Thanks for the help! > > Karl, > > Op Tuesday 05 August 2008 22:52:31 schreef B: > > Hi Karl, > > > > > Could this be something with permissions...??? > > > > I don't know. If it is permissions then you should be able to fix it by > > running the "chown" command. > > > > The following "chown" command makes karl the owner of, and karl's login > > group associated with, all files in the "/home/karl" directory and all > > its subdirectories: # chown --recursive karl: /home/karl > > > > Note the "#" prompt so you must do this as root. To get root in a > > Kubuntu terminal try "sudo su" at the prompt: $ sudo su > > [sudo] password for karl: > > # > > > > Or for Kubuntu I think you should be able to do > > $ sudo chown --recursive karl: /home/karl > > [sudo] password for karl: > > > > If you run this command in your home directory all your permissions will > > be fixed. > > > > Brian > > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe > > wrote: > > > From: Karl Vanwynsberghe > > > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't start > > > To: "Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" > > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:27 PM > > > Brian, > > > > > > I did uncheck the Nepomuk Semantic Desktop but each time i > > > log back on (or > > > reboot), it is checked again. > > > > > > Some other things i noticed, but not sure if this is wrong; > > > - While loggin on, i never see the "big K" icon. > > > - The plasma applets i use disappear each time i reboot. > > > > > > Could this be something with permissions...??? > > > > > > > > > Thx for the help! > > > > > > K, > > > > > > Op Tuesday 05 August 2008 13:43:04 schreef B: > > > > Hi Karl, > > > > > > > > Try stopping the Nepomuk Service. > > > > In System Settings click the Advanced tab. > > > > Then "Nepomuk" and click "OK" when > > > > > > the window pops up. > > > > > > > This should bring up the Nepomuk/Strigi Server > > > > > > Configuration. > > > > > > > Select the tab "Basic Settings" and Uncheck > > > > > > "Enable Nepomuk Semantic > > > > > > > Desktop" and make sure enable Strigi is not > > > > > > checked. Click Apply and Log > > > > > > > Out. > > > > > > > > My assumptions: > > > > - You updated your system to KDE4.1 using the > > > > > > instructions provided at > > > > > > > http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1. - You're > > > > > > using the Adept Manager and > > > > > > > NOT Synaptic Package Manager. I've run into > > > > > > issues using Synaptic with KDE > > > > > > > 4.x. - Dolphin version 1.1 > > > > > > > > Note that you should make sure to add the widget, > > > > > > "Application Launcher > > > > > > > Menu, Traditional Menu Based" in addition to keep > > > > > > using the default > > > > > > > "Application Launder". Why have both? > > > > > > Because I've found that sometimes > > > > > > > an application (like kate) will only start in the > > > > > > traditional menu and not > > > > > > > the default menu. > > > > > > > > Also read, http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.1/ so > > > > > > you're aware which user > > > > > > > base KDE4.x is targeting. Bugs reported at, > > > > > > http://bugs.kde.org/. > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Karl Vanwynsberghe > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > From: Karl Vanwynsberghe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Fwd: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin > > > > > > won't start > > > > > > > > To: "Kubuntu Discussions" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > ---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ---------- > > > > > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: Kubuntu KDE4.1 - Dolphin won't > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > Datum: maandag 4 augustus 2008 > > > > > Van: "p.daniels" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aan: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > > > > > > > On Monday August 4 2008 14:08:06 Karl > > > > > > Vanwynsberghe > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > After trying to start Dolphin, i get an > > > > > > bouncing icon > > > > > > > > for > > > > > about 30s and > > > > > > > > > > > then nothing anymore. > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be the cause for not booting up > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > program? > > > > > > > > > > > (thx for the help....) > > > > > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > > > > > Could be anything. Try "dolphin" in a > > > > > > terminal > > > > > > > > and see if you > > > > > get any messages. > > > > > > > > > > -p. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > This is the message i get when typing dolpin in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > terminal; > > > > > > > > > > karl at laptop:~$ dolphin > > > > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error > > > > > > in thread > > > > > > > > 3052451616 : > > > > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - > > > > > > The name > > > > > > > > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not > > > > > > provided by > > > > > > > > any .service > > > > > files" > > > > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error > > > > > > in thread > > > > > > > > 3052451616 : "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: > > > > > Connection refused" > > > > > dolphin(8658) > > > > > > ::GlobalModelContainer::init: > > > > > Failed to connect to > > > > > Nepomuk server via local socket > > > > > > "/home/karl/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/socket" > > > > > > > > "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin(8658)" Error > > > > > > in thread > > > > > > > > 3052451616 : > > > > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - > > > > > > The name > > > > > > > > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not > > > > > > provided by > > > > > > > > any .service > > > > > files" > > > > > ASSERT: "(*it).isValid()" in > > > > > file > > > > > > /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.0/kio/kio/previewjob.cpp, > > > > > > > > line 565 > > > > > (8657)/: > > > > > > Communication problem > > > > > > > > with "dolphin" , it > > > > > probably crashed. > > > > > Error message was: > > > > > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > "Message did not > > > > > receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Yaşamak bir ağaç gibi tek ve hür ve bir orman gibi kardeşçesine, bu hasret bizim. -- Nazım Hikmet From news at pointerstop.ca Wed Aug 6 23:48:11 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:48:11 -0300 Subject: Login Manager! References: <200808061853.27862.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808061007l2b9a49c4kdd1311cd0bdf8115@mail.gmail.com> <200808061921.20085.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5259120.ZDZBiyqGv0@cedar.serverforest.com> Donn wrote: > On Wednesday, 06 August 2008 19:07:07 Gordon Schulz wrote: >> X display manager control protocol. > Okay! > > Baby steps now -- what can it do for one? Is it like vnc or like ssh -X or > what? Well, using XDMCP I could VNC into a _new_ KDE session. Without it, I had to share an existing desktop session shared via krfb. -- derek From k7qo at commspeed.net Thu Aug 7 04:57:24 2008 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (chuck adams) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:57:24 -0700 Subject: ftp versions Message-ID: <200808062157.24840.k7qo@commspeed.net> Was there and is there for 8.04 and 8.10 a version of ftp where from the command line do ftp login at URL:password or similar syntax. I remember years ago doing this and I'd like to do it again. Thanks in advance, chuck From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 06:41:10 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:41:10 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <5259120.ZDZBiyqGv0@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808061921.20085.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <5259120.ZDZBiyqGv0@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808070841.10909.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 07 August 2008 01:48:11 Derek Broughton wrote: > Well, using XDMCP I could VNC into a _new_ KDE session. Without it, I had > to share an existing desktop session shared via krfb. LIghtly reading the wikipedia link I got the impression that XDMCP is a protocol and not (I think) an app you run to get an effect. Your mail suggests this too. How do you go about using XDMCP and if I use ssh -X is there any advantage to xdmpxcdmpc? \d -- "Like computer viruses, successful mind viruses will tend to be hard for their victims to detect. If you are the victim of one, the chances are that you won't know it, and may even vigorously deny it." -- Richard Dawkins Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 06:45:11 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:45:11 +0200 Subject: ftp versions In-Reply-To: <200808062157.24840.k7qo@commspeed.net> References: <200808062157.24840.k7qo@commspeed.net> Message-ID: <200808070845.11116.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 07 August 2008 06:57:24 chuck adams wrote: > ftp login at URL:password You can ftp from Konqueror. Mess around with the URL. Try: ftp://user:password at URL And vary it until it works. General question: does Dolphin do ftp and fish? :) That sounds weird, dolphins obviously do fish! \d -- Once you start believing in things for which there's no evidence, where do you stop? -- Sackett http://forums.randi.org Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 07:25:07 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:25:07 +0200 Subject: ftp versions In-Reply-To: <200808070845.11116.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200808062157.24840.k7qo@commspeed.net> <200808070845.11116.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2cdd5ab10808070025h2c9c38cvae77e3a68046f26a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Donn wrote: > General question: does Dolphin do ftp and fish? :) That sounds weird, dolphins > obviously do fish! Basically every KDE application can use the KIO-Slaves. So it e.g. works in any open/save/w/e dialog. -- Greetings, Gordon. From ashishyadav26 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 07:36:51 2008 From: ashishyadav26 at gmail.com (Ashish Yadav) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:06:51 +0530 Subject: mirror for KDE 4.1 repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Ashish Yadav wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any mirror for following repository "deb > http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main"? > > I've got it from "http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1", but it is horribly slow. > > -- > Regards, > > Ashish > > "There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't" > Anyone knows? -- Regards, Ashish "There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't" From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 08:10:31 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:10:31 +0200 Subject: ftp versions In-Reply-To: <2cdd5ab10808070025h2c9c38cvae77e3a68046f26a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200808062157.24840.k7qo@commspeed.net> <200808070845.11116.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <2cdd5ab10808070025h2c9c38cvae77e3a68046f26a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808071010.31929.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 07 August 2008 09:25:07 Gordon Schulz wrote: > Basically every KDE application can use the KIO-Slaves Oh yeah, I knew that but I forgot. Thanks. \d From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Thu Aug 7 10:25:46 2008 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (Paul) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:25:46 -0400 Subject: kde4.1 and xrandr Message-ID: <200808070625.47043.pkaplan1@comcast.net> I'm beginning to suspect that many of the behavioral problems I'm having w/ kde 4.1 on kubuntu 8.04 are related to running on an intel 915 graphics chip/i810 driver and two monitors; a laptop 1024x768 and external 1280x1024. I use xrandr to config a large virtual desktop spanning both monitors (2304x1024), which works fine under kde3.5.9 and xfce, but 4.1 can't seem to handle this configuration; some pretty consistent bugs as well as some seemingly random ones. Things seem better behaved if I run on only one or the other monitor, but even cloning the output to both seems to cause some problems, probably because of the different screen sizes. Is there any work being done on getting 4.x to play nice with xrandr and dual monitors? Is there a timetable for completion? Does anyone know if this is a 4.1 problem or a kubuntu problem? Paul From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 12:21:48 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:21:48 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion Message-ID: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> I have now played around a bit with KDE (Kubuntu to be more specific) 4.1 in a VirtualBox and my very short opinion is: 1. work in progress 2. very good looking (I mean graphics, some apps are much improved and so on) 3. for productivity though I will stick to KDE3 for a few releases more - at least I will keep it "in the box" and upgrade when new releases arrive so I can decide when I think it is ready to be my production environment. Regards, Sinclair and to all kde-developers - keep up the good work, am sure KDE4 WILL become brilliant From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 12:32:07 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:32:07 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080807123207.GA17133@slug.azmolan> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:21, O. Sinclair wrote: > I will keep it "in the box" and upgrade when new releases arrive so I > can decide when I think it is ready to be my production environment. > and to all kde-developers - keep up the good work, am sure KDE4 WILL > become brilliant As Aaron worded it on his Blog lately: "To put it all into perspective: KDE3 had 6 years of development on it after 3.0, KDE4 has so far had 6 months. Think about it. =)" Lot of truth in there. -- Gordon. From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 7 12:38:51 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:38:51 -0300 Subject: Login Manager! References: <200808061921.20085.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <5259120.ZDZBiyqGv0@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808070841.10909.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2919371.CMi1h6Bvn0@cedar.serverforest.com> Donn wrote: > On Thursday, 07 August 2008 01:48:11 Derek Broughton wrote: >> Well, using XDMCP I could VNC into a _new_ KDE session. Without it, I >> had to share an existing desktop session shared via krfb. > LIghtly reading the wikipedia link I got the impression that XDMCP is a > protocol and not (I think) an app you run to get an effect. Your mail > suggests this too. How do you go about using XDMCP and if I use ssh -X is > there any advantage to xdmpxcdmpc? Sorry, it's way too long ago for me to remember :-( -- derek From donn.ingle at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 13:15:42 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:15:42 +0200 Subject: Login Manager! In-Reply-To: <2919371.CMi1h6Bvn0@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808070841.10909.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <2919371.CMi1h6Bvn0@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808071515.42175.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Thursday, 07 August 2008 14:38:51 Derek Broughton wrote: > Sorry, it's way too long ago for me to remember Heh :) That more-or-less proves my initial point. \d -- "Life results from the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators." -- Richard Dawkins Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 13:15:07 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:15:07 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <20080807123207.GA17133@slug.azmolan> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <20080807123207.GA17133@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <489AF55B.4080603@gmail.com> Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:21, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> I will keep it "in the box" and upgrade when new releases arrive so I >> can decide when I think it is ready to be my production environment. >> and to all kde-developers - keep up the good work, am sure KDE4 WILL >> become brilliant > As Aaron worded it on his Blog lately: > "To put it all into perspective: KDE3 had 6 years of development on it > after 3.0, KDE4 has so far had 6 months. Think about it. =)" > > Lot of truth in there. Yes. Not to be blasphemous but I get a sort of "XP contra Vista" - feeling....but not true KDE4 had 6 months DEVELOPMENT but USAGE rather, no? From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 13:33:55 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:33:55 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <489AF55B.4080603@gmail.com> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <20080807123207.GA17133@slug.azmolan> <489AF55B.4080603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080807133355.GB17133@slug.azmolan> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:15, O. Sinclair wrote: > > As Aaron worded it on his Blog lately: > > "To put it all into perspective: KDE3 had 6 years of development on it > > after 3.0, KDE4 has so far had 6 months. Think about it. =)" > > > > Lot of truth in there. > Yes. Not to be blasphemous but I get a sort of "XP contra > Vista" - feeling....but not true KDE4 had 6 months DEVELOPMENT but USAGE > rather, no? Sure, usage. But the 6 years of KDE3 was development after 3.0 while being in use by 'normal' people, so it's the same really. -- Gordon. From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 7 13:34:42 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:34:42 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <20080807123207.GA17133@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <1581917.ZUotml1v4A@cedar.serverforest.com> Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:21, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> I will keep it "in the box" and upgrade when new releases arrive so I >> can decide when I think it is ready to be my production environment. >> and to all kde-developers - keep up the good work, am sure KDE4 WILL >> become brilliant > As Aaron worded it on his Blog lately: > "To put it all into perspective: KDE3 had 6 years of development on it > after 3.0, KDE4 has so far had 6 months. Think about it. =)" > > Lot of truth in there. Well, I was a KDE3 early adopter (I remember going through the same process with kde2 and kde3 side by side), and afaict it was much more usable at 3.0 than 4.0 was, and I'm not holding out much hope for 4.1. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 7 13:38:45 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:38:45 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <20080807123207.GA17133@slug.azmolan> <489AF55B.4080603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3286686.HNes3Y9Zhn@cedar.serverforest.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Gordon Schulz wrote: >> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:21, O. Sinclair wrote: >> >>> I will keep it "in the box" and upgrade when new releases arrive so I >>> can decide when I think it is ready to be my production environment. >>> and to all kde-developers - keep up the good work, am sure KDE4 WILL >>> become brilliant >> As Aaron worded it on his Blog lately: >> "To put it all into perspective: KDE3 had 6 years of development on it >> after 3.0, KDE4 has so far had 6 months. Think about it. =)" >> >> Lot of truth in there. > Yes. Not to be blasphemous but I get a sort of "XP contra > Vista" - feeling.... So do I. > but not true KDE4 had 6 months DEVELOPMENT but USAGE > rather, no? He's saying continuing development "post-release", right? So KDE4 has been "in development" for years (the most frustrating thing for me is hearing so many of the problems with kontact in 3.5.8+ had been fixed for 4.0+ but wouldn't make it into 3.5 - and yet kontact didn't even get _released_ in 4.0). -- derek From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 13:55:20 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:55:20 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <1581917.ZUotml1v4A@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <20080807123207.GA17133@slug.azmolan> <1581917.ZUotml1v4A@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <20080807135520.GC17133@slug.azmolan> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:34, Derek Broughton wrote: > Well, I was a KDE3 early adopter (I remember going through the same process > with kde2 and kde3 side by side), and afaict it was much more usable at 3.0 > than 4.0 was, and I'm not holding out much hope for 4.1. I wasn't using KDE at the time, but I seem to remember that the transition (library- and feature-wise) from 2.x to 3.0 was more of a continuation of the 2.x series with API rewrites (I think DCOP, KIO etc etc were all introduced during the 2.x cycle). Considering that KDE 4.x has LOTS of new technologies and technical changes iMHO it's a bit of comparing apples and oranges. But then again... We'd bump into the discussion of 'was it wise to release 4.0... was it wise to create all that new stuff' again, which I'd like to avoid. (personal opinion as I'm using 4.1 right now: it definately was). -- Gordon. From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 13:57:28 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:57:28 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <489AF55B.4080603@gmail.com> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <20080807123207.GA17133@slug.azmolan> <489AF55B.4080603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080807135728.GD17133@slug.azmolan> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:15, O. Sinclair wrote: > Yes. Not to be blasphemous but I get a sort of "XP contra > Vista" - feeling....but not true KDE4 had 6 months DEVELOPMENT but USAGE > rather, no? Guess I should have linked the post. ;p http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/08/41-is-out-and-i-too-am-going-to-akademy.html -- Gordon. From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Aug 7 14:10:22 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:10:22 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <20080807135728.GD17133@slug.azmolan> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <489AF55B.4080603@gmail.com> <20080807135728.GD17133@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <200808071010.22948.gloonie@earthlink.net> You raise some valid points. I am a big fan of KDE 4.1 and now that Kontact is in the mix, I feel like it's improving very rapidly. Despite its problems, I use it full time (my "Plan B" is that I also have Gnome installed in case of emergency) That said, I think it was a TERRIBLE strategy to call KDE 4.0 a "Release", with all the expectations that raises. (Namely, that minimally things would work, and that the major functionality of the prior release would be retained, Kmail and Kontact being case in point). In my view, no matter how many qualifications you put on it, KDE 4.0, and 4.1 were more like Beta releases for new products which the authors wanted to put out to the community for testing. This would have been legitimate in itself, but wouldn't a better strategy have been to call it something like "KDE Stealth" or "KDE Future". Giving a release number always implies the superseding and subsuming of an older "release", not the injection of tons of new technology. Glenn On Thursday 07 August 2008 09:57:28 Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:15, O. Sinclair wrote: > > Yes. Not to be blasphemous but I get a sort of "XP contra > > Vista" - feeling....but not true KDE4 had 6 months DEVELOPMENT but USAGE > > rather, no? > > Guess I should have linked the post. ;p > http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/08/41-is-out-and-i-too-am-going-to-akademy. >html -- > Gordon. -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From gordon.schulz at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 14:21:15 2008 From: gordon.schulz at gmail.com (Gordon Schulz) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:21:15 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <200808071010.22948.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <489AF55B.4080603@gmail.com> <20080807135728.GD17133@slug.azmolan> <200808071010.22948.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080807142115.GE17133@slug.azmolan> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:10, Glenn R Williams wrote: > (my "Plan B" is that I also have Gnome installed in case of emergency) That must be a *real* emergency then. Sorry, couldn't resist. :) -- Gordon. From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Aug 7 14:39:40 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:39:40 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <20080807142115.GE17133@slug.azmolan> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <200808071010.22948.gloonie@earthlink.net> <20080807142115.GE17133@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <200808071039.40924.gloonie@earthlink.net> True! :) Actually, more than once I've found it useful to switch to Gnome when KDE has been particularly broken. I could have used KDE 3.5 as my "backup", but I wanted reduce any possible overlap between the 2 KDE versions. Several times that has prevented problems already... Glenn On Thursday 07 August 2008 10:21:15 Gordon Schulz wrote: > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:10, Glenn R Williams wrote: > > (my "Plan B" is that I also have Gnome installed in case of emergency) > > That must be a *real* emergency then. Sorry, couldn't resist. :) > -- > Gordon. -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From rodwwarren at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 7 15:10:16 2008 From: rodwwarren at yahoo.co.uk (Rod Warren) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:10:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: 3G problems Message-ID: <294963.54277.qm@web23304.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Guys I use a 3G wireless modem when I'm in Belgium and wish to use Linux as it is far more stable and reliable then the dreaded "w " OS's but have a problem that the 3G dongle only has a .EXE file and is not compatable with Linux Please help this NUBEE thanks Rod __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 7 15:21:36 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:21:36 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <20080807123207.GA17133@slug.azmolan> <1581917.ZUotml1v4A@cedar.serverforest.com> <20080807135520.GC17133@slug.azmolan> Message-ID: <5925396.TPcviO38Q4@cedar.serverforest.com> Gordon Schulz wrote: > Considering that KDE 4.x has LOTS of new technologies and technical > changes iMHO it's a bit of comparing apples and oranges. Oh, I know. I'm just disappointed that the changes I've been waiting for for 3+ years in various kontact apps _still_ don't exist... Nothing else is important enough to me to make me switch. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 7 15:25:54 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:25:54 -0300 Subject: 3G problems References: <294963.54277.qm@web23304.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3167939.YIveiYMm38@cedar.serverforest.com> Rod Warren wrote: > I use a 3G wireless > modem when I'm in Belgium and wish to use Linux as it is far more stable > and reliable then the dreaded "w " OS's but have a problem that the 3G > dongle only has a .EXE file and is not compatable with Linux I have no idea if it _could_ work, but you might try installing ndisgtk, and installing the Windows drivers under ndiswrapper. Failing that, how do you know that the modem is _not_ compatible with Linux? -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 7 15:23:28 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:23:28 -0300 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <200808071010.22948.gloonie@earthlink.net> <20080807142115.GE17133@slug.azmolan> <200808071039.40924.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2045774.Ek6rzhFdjl@cedar.serverforest.com> Glenn R Williams wrote: > True! :) Actually, more than once I've found it useful to switch to Gnome > when KDE has been particularly broken. Me too, but it's only because I can practically always lay my hands on an Ubuntu CD, because I keep getting them in magazines, whereas I never seem to have a Kubuntu CD when I desperately need it. -- derek From rodwwarren at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 7 15:59:25 2008 From: rodwwarren at yahoo.co.uk (Rod Warren) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:59:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: 3G problems Message-ID: <94638.95757.qm@web23305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Gordon vender is mobistar belgium and I don't have the model on this PC as it is a new one I will have to get it when i get back in 2 weeks Regards Rod ----- Original Message ---- From: Gordon Schulz To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Sent: Thursday, 7 August, 2008 5:19:07 PM Subject: Re: 3G problems On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:10, Rod Warren wrote: > I use a 3G wireless > modem when I'm in Belgium and wish to use Linux as it is far more stable and > reliable then the dreaded "w " OS's but have a problem that the 3G dongle only > has a .EXE file and is not compatable with Linux Which Vendor/Model? -- Gordon. -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. 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Failing that, how do you know that the modem is _not_ compatible with Linux? -- derek -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Thu Aug 7 17:06:22 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:06:22 -0300 Subject: 3G problems References: <542759.12718.qm@web23306.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5625676.lDk0dgr0fd@cedar.serverforest.com> Please don't top post. Rod Warren wrote: > > It has a self intall exe file and is not recognised by linux > I wrote: >> Failing that, how do you know that the modem is _not_ compatible with >> Linux? That doesn't answer the question. The .exe file is of course not usable, directly, but it would appear you _don't_ know it's not compatible with Linux. You really need to google for the device + Linux, and see what comes up. -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 17:24:21 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:24:21 +0300 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <2045774.Ek6rzhFdjl@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <200808071010.22948.gloonie@earthlink.net> <20080807142115.GE17133@slug.azmolan> <200808071039.40924.gloonie@earthlink.net> <2045774.Ek6rzhFdjl@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <489B2FC5.1020309@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Glenn R Williams wrote: > >> True! :) Actually, more than once I've found it useful to switch to Gnome >> when KDE has been particularly broken. > > Me too, but it's only because I can practically always lay my hands on an > Ubuntu CD, because I keep getting them in magazines, whereas I never seem > to have a Kubuntu CD when I desperately need it. BTW does GNOME and KDE (3 or 4 doesn't matter) interfere with each other in a any negative way? like KDE3 and KDE4 do when put together? having KDE4 with GNOME and without KDE3 seems to be a plausible idea to try KDE4. -- Willy K. 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I was able to get sound in KDE4 with Pulseaudio a lot easier having both environments... Glenn On Thursday 07 August 2008 13:24:21 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > > Glenn R Williams wrote: > >> True! :) Actually, more than once I've found it useful to switch to > >> Gnome when KDE has been particularly broken. > > > > Me too, but it's only because I can practically always lay my hands on an > > Ubuntu CD, because I keep getting them in magazines, whereas I never seem > > to have a Kubuntu CD when I desperately need it. > > BTW does GNOME and KDE (3 or 4 doesn't matter) interfere with each other > in a any negative way? like KDE3 and KDE4 do when put together? having > KDE4 with GNOME and without KDE3 seems to be a plausible idea to try KDE4. -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From lisi.reisz at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 17:43:06 2008 From: lisi.reisz at gmail.com (Lisi Reisz) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:43:06 +0100 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <489B2FC5.1020309@gmail.com> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <2045774.Ek6rzhFdjl@cedar.serverforest.com> <489B2FC5.1020309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808071843.06458.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> On Thursday 07 August 2008 18:24:21 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > BTW does GNOME and KDE (3 or 4 doesn't matter) interfere with each other > in a any negative way? I usually have both installed, and it has not so far caused me any problems that I know of. Lisi From teeahr1 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 18:11:01 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:11:01 -0500 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <489B2FC5.1020309@gmail.com> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <2045774.Ek6rzhFdjl@cedar.serverforest.com> <489B2FC5.1020309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808071311.01505.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Thursday August 7 2008 12:24:21 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > > Glenn R Williams wrote: > >> True! :) Actually, more than once I've found it useful to switch to > >> Gnome when KDE has been particularly broken. > > > > Me too, but it's only because I can practically always lay my hands on an > > Ubuntu CD, because I keep getting them in magazines, whereas I never seem > > to have a Kubuntu CD when I desperately need it. > > BTW does GNOME and KDE (3 or 4 doesn't matter) interfere with each other > in a any negative way? like KDE3 and KDE4 do when put together? having > KDE4 with GNOME and without KDE3 seems to be a plausible idea to try KDE4. (The following is just one anecdote, and from about six months ago on Ubuntu 7.10. This may no longer be the case, I have no idea.) When I got my new laptop, I started with a Kubuntu 7.10-KDE4 install, then put ubuntu-desktop on it. All my Gnome startup programs (screenlets, tilda, et cetera) would start when I logged into KDE4 (but not vice versa). Which by itself may have been bearable, but KDE uses Kwin as the window manager and Gnome uses Compiz, so all the effects and stuff that the screenlets were trying to do just made the screen a flickery, unusable mess. I never did figure out how to make that not happen. btw, if anyone knows how to fix that (if it's even still true), I'd love to know. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gloonie at earthlink.net Thu Aug 7 18:36:12 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:36:12 -0400 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <200808071311.01505.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <489B2FC5.1020309@gmail.com> <200808071311.01505.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808071436.12427.gloonie@earthlink.net> One thing I did notice was that kwin was not being set as the default window manager when I upgraded to KDE 4.0 (and 4.1). I manual change it (easiest way was to install compiz-icon and change in the system tray. That may have been fixed now. Kwin is also developing quite quickly. Glenn On Thursday 07 August 2008 14:11:01 p.daniels wrote: > On Thursday August 7 2008 12:24:21 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > > Derek Broughton wrote: > > > Glenn R Williams wrote: > > >> True! :) Actually, more than once I've found it useful to switch to > > >> Gnome when KDE has been particularly broken. > > > > > > Me too, but it's only because I can practically always lay my hands on > > > an Ubuntu CD, because I keep getting them in magazines, whereas I never > > > seem to have a Kubuntu CD when I desperately need it. > > > > BTW does GNOME and KDE (3 or 4 doesn't matter) interfere with each other > > in a any negative way? like KDE3 and KDE4 do when put together? having > > KDE4 with GNOME and without KDE3 seems to be a plausible idea to try > > KDE4. > > (The following is just one anecdote, and from about six months ago on > Ubuntu 7.10. This may no longer be the case, I have no idea.) > > When I got my new laptop, I started with a Kubuntu 7.10-KDE4 install, then > put ubuntu-desktop on it. All my Gnome startup programs (screenlets, tilda, > et cetera) would start when I logged into KDE4 (but not vice versa). Which > by itself may have been bearable, but KDE uses Kwin as the window manager > and Gnome uses Compiz, so all the effects and stuff that the screenlets > were trying to do just made the screen a flickery, unusable mess. I never > did figure out how to make that not happen. > > btw, if anyone knows how to fix that (if it's even still true), I'd love to > know. > > -p. -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 18:48:46 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:48:46 +0300 Subject: KDE 4.1 - just an opinion In-Reply-To: <200808071436.12427.gloonie@earthlink.net> References: <489AE8DC.1010608@gmail.com> <489B2FC5.1020309@gmail.com> <200808071311.01505.teeahr1@gmail.com> <200808071436.12427.gloonie@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <489B438E.6040208@gmail.com> Glenn R Williams wrote: > One thing I did notice was that kwin was not being set as the default window > manager when I upgraded to KDE 4.0 (and 4.1). I manual change it (easiest way > was to install compiz-icon and change in the system tray. That may have been > fixed now. Kwin is also developing quite quickly. > sorry, i haven't tried KDE4 yet, what program is being set as the default window manager in KDE4? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra wrote: > Glenn R Williams wrote: > > One thing I did notice was that kwin was not being set as the default > > window manager when I upgraded to KDE 4.0 (and 4.1). I manual change it > > (easiest way was to install compiz-icon and change in the system tray. > > That may have been fixed now. Kwin is also developing quite quickly. > > sorry, i haven't tried KDE4 yet, what program is being set as the > default window manager in KDE4? -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From kjb.jones at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 7 20:03:38 2008 From: kjb.jones at embarqmail.com (Kevin Jones) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:03:38 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5x Message-ID: <489B551A.6030004@embarqmail.com> Dear all, I wish to download and install Ubuntu 8.04 and KDE. I have a very fast connection at work, but a very slow connection at home. Can anyone tell me which would be the best mirror/download site to use. The more information I could put on, say, one or two cd's or dvd's the better. Thankyou very much in advance. kevin jones From john at nosuitsit.com Thu Aug 7 20:59:21 2008 From: john at nosuitsit.com (John) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:59:21 +0100 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <200808051116.47785.jerryg@gaiser.org> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051116.47785.jerryg@gaiser.org> Message-ID: <200808072159.22027.john@nosuitsit.com> On Tuesday 05 August 2008 19:16:46 Jerry Gaiser wrote: > One of the first things *I* do is give root a password. Could someone who uses a root account give an actual example of where it is advantageous in comparision to using sudo? Is it just down to keystrokes or is there another reason. Just out of curiosity, what does sudo stand for? I have always assumed it was from "SuperUser do" but could it be from "Switch User (substitute user) do" John From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 21:34:51 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:34:51 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.5x In-Reply-To: <489B551A.6030004@embarqmail.com> References: <489B551A.6030004@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Kevin Jones wrote: > Dear all, > I wish to download and install Ubuntu 8.04 and KDE. > I have a very fast connection at work, but a very slow connection at > home. Can anyone tell me which would be the best mirror/download site to > use. The more information I could put on, say, one or two cd's or dvd's > the better. > > Thankyou very much in advance. > > kevin jones Install at work, add every bell and whistle you can think of, download it all. Then when you are at home try stuff out and remove it, if you need the room on the HD. After install you don't need speed except for updates and who cares if they take all night? Just sleep and wake to an updated comp or do that at work too. As for the best mirror? Who can tell, I don't know where you live. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From kjb.jones at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 7 22:26:30 2008 From: kjb.jones at embarqmail.com (Kevin Jones) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:26:30 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5x In-Reply-To: References: <489B551A.6030004@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Kevin Jones wrote: >> Dear all, >> I wish to download and install Ubuntu 8.04 and KDE. >> I have a very fast connection at work, but a very slow connection at >> home. Can anyone tell me which would be the best mirror/download site to >> use. The more information I could put on, say, one or two cd's or dvd's >> the better. >> >> Thankyou very much in advance. >> >> kevin jones > > Install at work, add every bell and whistle you can think of, download > it all. Then when you are at home try stuff out and remove it, if you > need the room on the HD. After install you don't need speed except for > updates and who cares if they take all night? Just sleep and wake to > an updated comp or do that at work too. > > As for the best mirror? Who can tell, I don't know where you live. > > Thanks!!! I think I meant to say... are there download versions of more than 700Mb's. I have seen downloads for some Ubuntu as large as 4 gigs. It is just that wherever I look I can find only the very basic download. I was hoping for a clue to where or how I can have as many of the packages as I can downloaded from one site. I am in North America Kevin Jones From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 22:38:29 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:38:29 +0300 Subject: slightly OT: Internet weirdities Message-ID: <489B7965.8070508@gmail.com> I was "apt-get"ing a few programs, and was with a lot of pain watching the speed counting in bytes per second, something around 200 bytes/second! i thought it might be a bad night for downloading, ISP overloaded or something, i tried pinging google, but the ping went very well, with fast responses, so i thought i might try pinging archive.ubuntu.com, maybe the servers are overloaded, and to my astonishment as soon as the pinging started the download went straight to 12 KiB/sec which is quite well for my 128 kbps, but got me wondering why such stuff happens? is it ISP related or something to do my PC? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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Under Settings-configure kmail: Identities= Identity Name/ Email Address = Default (default)/My email address in double quotes followed by When I click 'Modify': Under the "General" tab I have... "Your name": = My email address "Organization": = Blank "Email address": = my email address Under "Cryptography" tab I have...All setting unmarked. Preferred crypto message format= Any Under "Advanced" tab I have.......Reply to address= my email address BCC address = blank Dictionary = ASpell Default Sent-mail folder= Local Folder/sentmai Draft folder= Local Folder/drafts Templates folder= Local Folder/templa Special transport= my email address Under 'Templates" I have.... No entries Under "Signature" I have ... No Entries Under "Picture" I have... No entries For 'Accoounts" 'receiving' I have Name = My email address Type = pop Folder = Inbox When I 'modify' (For about the thousandth time) this account: Under General Tab: Account Name = My email address Login = My email address Password = My normal password for embarqmail mail Host = pop.embarqmail.com Port = 110 (???) Store password is ticked leave messages on server in UNticked keep only the las is UNticked include in manual mail check is ticked Filter messages is blank Enable interval mail checking is ticked On the extras tab: Encryption = None (I copied this setting from my thunderbird settings.) Authentication = Login. When I "check what server supports": the results the server gives me are: Encryption= Use TLS for secure mail download Authentication method = Clear text. It seems that no matter what settings I apply the following message appears: OMG!!! It just worked. I think the problem was that; on the last screen I was ticking "apply" and for the first time I ticked 'OK'. I am going to post this email since I know that others have had problems with KMail and this may help Kevin Jones From hensandpat at earthlink.net Fri Aug 8 01:04:14 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:04:14 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.5x In-Reply-To: References: <489B551A.6030004@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <489B9B8E.5060304@earthlink.net> Knapp wrote: > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Kevin Jones wrote: > >> Dear all, >> I wish to download and install Ubuntu 8.04 and KDE. >> I have a very fast connection at work, but a very slow connection at >> home. Can anyone tell me which would be the best mirror/download site to >> use. The more information I could put on, say, one or two cd's or dvd's >> the better. >> >> Thankyou very much in advance. >> >> kevin jones >> > > Install at work, add every bell and whistle you can think of, download > it all. Then when you are at home try stuff out and remove it, if you > need the room on the HD. After install you don't need speed except for > updates and who cares if they take all night? Just sleep and wake to > an updated comp or do that at work too. > > As for the best mirror? Who can tell, I don't know where you live. > > > What does that mean downloading from a mirror? J.H. From giorgos67 at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 01:31:49 2008 From: giorgos67 at gmail.com (Giorgos Kostopoulos) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:31:49 +0300 Subject: GRUB question. Message-ID: <489BA205.20507@gmail.com> Hi! :-) I just installed kubuntu and I have a question. GRUB set entries for launching kubuntu and windows. I added myself an entry, for booting from the floppy (fd0). Is there any possibility for adding a similar entry for booting from CD (without rebooting)? Thanks in advance! Really nice to find you! :-) Giorgos. From gloonie at earthlink.net Fri Aug 8 01:38:57 2008 From: gloonie at earthlink.net (Glenn R Williams) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:38:57 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.5x In-Reply-To: <489B9B8E.5060304@earthlink.net> References: <489B551A.6030004@embarqmail.com> <489B9B8E.5060304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200808072138.57396.gloonie@earthlink.net> On Thursday 07 August 2008 21:04:14 John Heinen wrote: > > What does that mean downloading from a mirror? J.H. A mirror is an exact duplicate of another site, usually in order to facilitate large downloads. The "mirrors" are synchronized with the Ubuntu site at certain predetermined intervals. So you can download from addresses other than Ubuntu.org. If you use a less busy mirror, your downloads go a lot faster. Glenn -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Aug 8 02:20:08 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:20:08 -0300 Subject: GRUB question. References: <489BA205.20507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1454815.gKyt2GutHj@cedar.serverforest.com> Giorgos Kostopoulos wrote: > I just installed kubuntu and I have a question. > GRUB set entries for launching kubuntu and windows. > I added myself an entry, for booting from the floppy (fd0). > > Is there any possibility for adding a similar entry for booting from CD > (without rebooting)? You set it to boot from CD in the BIOS (any bios should give you a series of options for boot devices - as long as your system is capable of booting from CD, it will be there). There _is_ no way to boot without rebooting... The CD boot option doesn't need to be in Grub, because a CD is either bootable or not, and if you have a bootable one in the drive you can always eject it if you don't want to boot from it. The same with the floppy - if your floppies (who has floppies??) can boot, they will if they're set up in the BIOS, so why put an entry in grub (though you can)? -- derek From pandarsson at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 05:14:01 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:14:01 -0500 Subject: GRUB question. In-Reply-To: <1454815.gKyt2GutHj@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <489BA205.20507@gmail.com> <1454815.gKyt2GutHj@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: <200808080014.04262.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Thursday 07 August 2008 9:20:08 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > Giorgos Kostopoulos wrote: > > I just installed kubuntu and I have a question. > > GRUB set entries for launching kubuntu and windows. > > I added myself an entry, for booting from the floppy (fd0). > > > > Is there any possibility for adding a similar entry for booting from CD > > (without rebooting)? > > You set it to boot from CD in the BIOS (any bios should give you a series > of options for boot devices - as long as your system is capable of booting > from CD, it will be there). There _is_ no way to boot without rebooting... I'm not sure what you're saying here. My GRUB has an entry for my DVD drive and has no problems booting from it. > The CD boot option doesn't need to be in Grub, because a CD is either > bootable or not, and if you have a bootable one in the drive you can always > eject it if you don't want to boot from it. If your computer is off, it can be a headache to turn it on and sit there hitting the eject button until it responds, then get the CD in there and close it in time to boot off of it - especially if you have a fast machine. With an option in GRUB, you can calmly wait for the CD/DVD drive to respond, place the CD in at your leisure and let it boot without needing to reboot. For some reason, I can't see it in my menu.lst, or I'd post the entry for the OP. It might be on my other machine, which isn't working at the moment. From kubuntu.user at bulkmail.letterboxes.org Fri Aug 8 06:54:50 2008 From: kubuntu.user at bulkmail.letterboxes.org (Jeff) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:54:50 +0100 Subject: slightly OT: Internet weirdities In-Reply-To: <489B7965.8070508@gmail.com> References: <489B7965.8070508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <489BFBCA.2157.3578E1@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> On 8 Aug 2008 at 1:38, Willy K. Hamra wrote about: slightly OT: Internet weirdities > I was "apt-get"ing a few programs, and was with a lot of pain watching > the speed counting in bytes per second, something around 200 > bytes/second! i thought it might be a bad night for downloading, ISP > overloaded or something, i tried pinging google, but the ping went very > well, with fast responses, so i thought i might try pinging > archive.ubuntu.com, maybe the servers are overloaded, and to my > astonishment as soon as the pinging started the download went straight > to 12 KiB/sec which is quite well for my 128 kbps, but got me wondering > why such stuff happens? is it ISP related or something to do my PC? You are posting from a Tiscali UK address. Does one need to say more? They are infamous for loading their networks up beyond capacity. Is it any wonder that they cannot get anyone to buy them? Jeff > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net > From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 07:01:38 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:01:38 +0200 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: <200808072159.22027.john@nosuitsit.com> References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051116.47785.jerryg@gaiser.org> <200808072159.22027.john@nosuitsit.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/7 John : > On Tuesday 05 August 2008 19:16:46 Jerry Gaiser wrote: >> One of the first things *I* do is give root a password. > > Could someone who uses a root account give an actual example of where it is > advantageous in comparision to using sudo? > Is it just down to keystrokes or is there another reason. > > Just out of curiosity, what does sudo stand for? I have always assumed it was > from "SuperUser do" but could it be from "Switch User (substitute user) do" > > John According to wikipedia it's "Super user do" and su is "Switch user" or "Substitute user" / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 07:21:03 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:21:03 +0200 Subject: GRUB question. In-Reply-To: <489BA205.20507@gmail.com> References: <489BA205.20507@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/8 Giorgos Kostopoulos : > Hi! :-) > > > I just installed kubuntu and I have a question. > GRUB set entries for launching kubuntu and windows. > I added myself an entry, for booting from the floppy (fd0). > > Is there any possibility for adding a similar entry for booting from CD > (without rebooting)? > > > Thanks in advance! > Really nice to find you! :-) > Giorgos. > Interesting idea and i see how it can be useful sometimes if you for example has disable the CD boot option i BIOS. I Googled and found it's possible to do with some help of syslinux. I have not tested it yet but check this links for more info and how to do it. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168693 http://gentoo-wiki.com/GRUB/Chainloaded_CD-ROM http://cutecomputer.wordpress.com/2006/10/10/boot-cdrom-through-grub/ http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~bernhard/grub-chain-cd.html / Jonas From barnaby at drofle.com Fri Aug 8 07:51:44 2008 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:51:44 +0100 Subject: GRUB question. In-Reply-To: <200808080014.04262.pandarsson@yahoo.com> References: <489BA205.20507@gmail.com> <1454815.gKyt2GutHj@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808080014.04262.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <489BFB10.50808@drofle.com> Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > > If your computer is off, it can be a headache to turn it on and sit there > hitting the eject button until it responds, then get the CD in there and close > it in time to boot off of it - especially if you have a fast machine. With an > option in GRUB, you can calmly wait for the CD/DVD drive to respond, place the > CD in at your leisure and let it boot without needing to reboot. > Isn't that what the pause button is for? Switch on the computer, at the first beep hit the pause button. Now the computer will wait for you and the CD/DVD drive will respond. Open the drawer, put in the CD from which you wish to boot and then press the enter key. The computer will now continue and will boot from the CD. Or have I got it all wrong? Neil Winchurst From alain.muls at telenet.be Fri Aug 8 08:56:53 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:56:53 +0200 Subject: kontact (KDEv4.1) and Google Calendar Message-ID: <200808081056.53870.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi Kubuntu-users I am trying to make a switch from HH KDEv3.5 to HH KDEv4.1. I managed to convert my thunderbird mail and address book to kontact with only very minor problems. A first question is the following: is the information in the address book used throughout all KDE programs, eg Kopete? Another problem I have not solved is how to access a Google Calendar I use into kontact. How does one synchronize the korganizer calendar with the Google calendar? Tx/Alain From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 09:00:52 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:00:52 +0200 Subject: GRUB question. In-Reply-To: References: <489BA205.20507@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/8 Jonas Norlander : > 2008/8/8 Giorgos Kostopoulos : >> Hi! :-) >> >> >> I just installed kubuntu and I have a question. >> GRUB set entries for launching kubuntu and windows. >> I added myself an entry, for booting from the floppy (fd0). >> >> Is there any possibility for adding a similar entry for booting from CD >> (without rebooting)? >> >> >> Thanks in advance! >> Really nice to find you! :-) >> Giorgos. >> > > Interesting idea and i see how it can be useful sometimes if you for > example has disable the CD boot option i BIOS. > I Googled and found it's possible to do with some help of syslinux. I > have not tested it yet but check this links for more info and how to > do it. > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168693 > http://gentoo-wiki.com/GRUB/Chainloaded_CD-ROM > http://cutecomputer.wordpress.com/2006/10/10/boot-cdrom-through-grub/ > http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~bernhard/grub-chain-cd.html > > / Jonas > Did a quick test and this is how i installed it: sudo apt-get install syslinux sbm sudo cp /usr/lib/syslinux/memdisk /boot/ sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst And adding this entry. Remember to change (hd0,4) to your root. title Smart Boot Manager root (hd0,4) kernel /boot/memdisk initrd /boot/sbm.img boot Grub is starting fine and choosing SBM give me a new menu with several devices to boot from but i don't see my DVD. I think i could be that SBM cant boot from a SATA DVD. / Jonas From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 09:49:06 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:49:06 +0200 Subject: GRUB question. In-Reply-To: References: <489BA205.20507@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/8/8 Jonas Norlander : >> 2008/8/8 Giorgos Kostopoulos : >>> Hi! :-) >>> >>> >>> I just installed kubuntu and I have a question. >>> GRUB set entries for launching kubuntu and windows. >>> I added myself an entry, for booting from the floppy (fd0). >>> >>> Is there any possibility for adding a similar entry for booting from CD >>> (without rebooting)? >>> >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> Really nice to find you! :-) >>> Giorgos. >>> >> >> Interesting idea and i see how it can be useful sometimes if you for >> example has disable the CD boot option i BIOS. >> I Googled and found it's possible to do with some help of syslinux. I >> have not tested it yet but check this links for more info and how to >> do it. >> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168693 >> http://gentoo-wiki.com/GRUB/Chainloaded_CD-ROM >> http://cutecomputer.wordpress.com/2006/10/10/boot-cdrom-through-grub/ >> http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~bernhard/grub-chain-cd.html >> >> / Jonas >> > > Did a quick test and this is how i installed it: > sudo apt-get install syslinux sbm > sudo cp /usr/lib/syslinux/memdisk /boot/ > sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst > > And adding this entry. Remember to change (hd0,4) to your root. > title Smart Boot Manager > root (hd0,4) > kernel /boot/memdisk > initrd /boot/sbm.img > boot > > Grub is starting fine and choosing SBM give me a new menu with several > devices to boot from but i don't see my DVD. I think i could be that > SBM cant boot from a SATA DVD. > > / Jonas > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > If you want to master Grub look into the gentoo help sites and wiki for that subject. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From dotancohen at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 12:06:09 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:06:09 +0300 Subject: slightly OT: Internet weirdities In-Reply-To: <489BFBCA.2157.3578E1@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> References: <489B7965.8070508@gmail.com> <489BFBCA.2157.3578E1@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <880dece00808080506l6d56a51dicb489cab3d965da9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/8 Jeff : > On 8 Aug 2008 at 1:38, Willy K. Hamra wrote about: > slightly OT: Internet weirdities > >> I was "apt-get"ing a few programs, and was with a lot of pain watching >> the speed counting in bytes per second, something around 200 >> bytes/second! i thought it might be a bad night for downloading, ISP >> overloaded or something, i tried pinging google, but the ping went very >> well, with fast responses, so i thought i might try pinging >> archive.ubuntu.com, maybe the servers are overloaded, and to my >> astonishment as soon as the pinging started the download went straight >> to 12 KiB/sec which is quite well for my 128 kbps, but got me wondering >> why such stuff happens? is it ISP related or something to do my PC? > > You are posting from a Tiscali UK address. Does one need to say more? > They are infamous for loading their networks up beyond capacity. Is > it any wonder that they cannot get anyone to buy them? > Willy posted from a gmail address, so your trace of the IP addresses in his header would only lead you back to google's servers. Furthermore, I suspect that you traced in the wrong direction, mistaking the destination for the origin, which is why you see you own ISP's address at the end. As for Willy's concern, I also see erratic download speeds from *buntu mirrors. I have never made the association with pinging, and figured that it was a fault of my ISP. It has never been so bad that's I've had to complain. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From giorgos67 at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 12:44:40 2008 From: giorgos67 at gmail.com (Giorgos Kostopoulos) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:44:40 +0300 Subject: GRUB question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489C3FB8.4080005@gmail.com> Hi guys! :-) MANY THANKS for your help!!! * 1) My BIOS boot order is: a) floppy (yes, I'm still using it)! :-) b) CD (DVD actually). A classic IDE one. c) HD 0. * 2) If I'm at GRUB menu, I'm always able to hit ctrl-alt-del and reboot from floppy, but putting an fd0 entry in GRUB menu, giving me the possibility to boot from the floppy (after putting a bootable floppy in tray (eg. supergrub disk, or freedos), with selecting the floppy menu entry, without rebooting. Unfortunately, adding an cdr0, cdrom or dvd entry, is giving me the: "error23: error while parsing number. press any key to continue..." No matter if a bootable CD (or DVD) is in tray (eg. the freedos live CD or the GParted one). * 3) Yes, I think it was SBM (that I was using ages ago), that was capable of doing this trick. Installing it side by side with GRUB and launching it from GRUB menu is a really interesting idea! :-) * 4) gentoo-wiki.com has really interesting stuff about GRUB!!! I didn't knew about that (and I'm completely new, to a proper Linux (hard disk) installation)! Seems like more reading and practicing needed from my party! :-) ------------ OK! Obviously this is not an important problem (since I can always hit ctrl-alt-del and reboot from CD, instead of having a related GRUB (or SBM) entry for this task). I'm just curious, how this can be done! :-) I think, I'll further investigate it a bit more, and I'll be back. Once again, THANKS for your help!!! Giorgos. :-) From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 13:20:25 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:20:25 +0300 Subject: slightly OT: Internet weirdities In-Reply-To: <880dece00808080506l6d56a51dicb489cab3d965da9@mail.gmail.com> References: <489B7965.8070508@gmail.com> <489BFBCA.2157.3578E1@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> <880dece00808080506l6d56a51dicb489cab3d965da9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489C4819.4010609@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/8 Jeff : >> On 8 Aug 2008 at 1:38, Willy K. Hamra wrote about: >> slightly OT: Internet weirdities >> >>> I was "apt-get"ing a few programs, and was with a lot of pain watching >>> the speed counting in bytes per second, something around 200 >>> bytes/second! i thought it might be a bad night for downloading, ISP >>> overloaded or something, i tried pinging google, but the ping went very >>> well, with fast responses, so i thought i might try pinging >>> archive.ubuntu.com, maybe the servers are overloaded, and to my >>> astonishment as soon as the pinging started the download went straight >>> to 12 KiB/sec which is quite well for my 128 kbps, but got me wondering >>> why such stuff happens? is it ISP related or something to do my PC? >> You are posting from a Tiscali UK address. Does one need to say more? >> They are infamous for loading their networks up beyond capacity. Is >> it any wonder that they cannot get anyone to buy them? >> > > Willy posted from a gmail address, so your trace of the IP addresses > in his header would only lead you back to google's servers. > Furthermore, I suspect that you traced in the wrong direction, > mistaking the destination for the origin, which is why you see you own > ISP's address at the end. > > As for Willy's concern, I also see erratic download speeds from *buntu > mirrors. I have never made the association with pinging, and figured > that it was a fault of my ISP. It has never been so bad that's I've > had to complain. > yes, i am using a gmail address, and way too far from the UK. the *buntu mirrors have been going weird for a while, slow at times, won't resolve to IP at others, not to mention that every couple of hours, firestarter reports a blocked connection from an IP address that turns out to be lithium.canonical.com, no idea why though. whatever the problem is, i'm sure my ISP isn't that innocent at all, but some of the problems are *buntu's! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 13:28:12 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:28:12 +0200 Subject: GRUB question. In-Reply-To: <489C3FB8.4080005@gmail.com> References: <489C3FB8.4080005@gmail.com> Message-ID: * 4) gentoo-wiki.com has really interesting stuff about GRUB!!! I didn't knew about that (and I'm completely new, to a proper Linux (hard disk) installation)! Seems like more reading and practicing needed from my party! :-) Glad to hear you got that. I have told a lot of people that Gentoo has great Linux info even if you don't run that, pain in the butt but fun distro, but few seem to listen. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From kubuntu.user at bulkmail.letterboxes.org Fri Aug 8 13:40:41 2008 From: kubuntu.user at bulkmail.letterboxes.org (Jeff) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:40:41 +0100 Subject: slightly OT: Internet weirdities In-Reply-To: <880dece00808080506l6d56a51dicb489cab3d965da9@mail.gmail.com> References: <489B7965.8070508@gmail.com>, <489BFBCA.2157.3578E1@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org>, <880dece00808080506l6d56a51dicb489cab3d965da9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489C5AE9.1832.4F5E22@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> On 8 Aug 2008 at 15:06, Dotan Cohen wrote about: Re: slightly OT: Internet weirditie > 2008/8/8 Jeff : > > On 8 Aug 2008 at 1:38, Willy K. Hamra wrote about: > > slightly OT: Internet weirdities > > > >> I was "apt-get"ing a few programs, and was with a lot of pain watching > >> the speed counting in bytes per second, something around 200 > >> bytes/second! i thought it might be a bad night for downloading, ISP > >> overloaded or something, i tried pinging google, but the ping went very > >> well, with fast responses, so i thought i might try pinging > >> archive.ubuntu.com, maybe the servers are overloaded, and to my > >> astonishment as soon as the pinging started the download went straight > >> to 12 KiB/sec which is quite well for my 128 kbps, but got me wondering > >> why such stuff happens? is it ISP related or something to do my PC? > > > > You are posting from a Tiscali UK address. Does one need to say more? > > They are infamous for loading their networks up beyond capacity. Is > > it any wonder that they cannot get anyone to buy them? > > > > Willy posted from a gmail address, so your trace of the IP addresses > in his header would only lead you back to google's servers. Please check your assertions first. The relevant section from the headers is: Received: from ?192.168.0.53? ( [213.254.233.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j2sm1257912mue.8.2008.08.07.15.38.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Obviously 192.168.0.53 is the internal address of the PC composing the message. 212.254.233.9 is the external address from which the message was sent to mx.google.com using User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) The headers would have been different if the message had been posted using Gigglemail's web interface in the way that you did. In that event you correctly describe how they only list the IP Address of the https server presenting the web page to the user. > Furthermore, I suspect that you traced in the wrong direction, > mistaking the destination for the origin, which is why you see you own > ISP's address at the end. I know my IP address, its reverse DNS, and the IP address of my mailserver, and they are not the ones that I traced! I do not see my own ISPs address anywhere on that email. > As for Willy's concern, I also see erratic download speeds from *buntu > mirrors. I have never made the association with pinging, and figured > that it was a fault of my ISP. It has never been so bad that's I've > had to complain. If he is using Tiscali, or a reseller thereof, then one only has to look at http://search.theregister.co.uk/?q=tiscali to get a whole lot of (bad) news about the company. Jeff > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > -------------------------- > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 13:42:53 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:42:53 +0300 Subject: GRUB question. In-Reply-To: References: <489C3FB8.4080005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <489C4D5D.4080003@gmail.com> Knapp wrote: > * 4) gentoo-wiki.com has really interesting stuff about GRUB!!! > I didn't knew about that (and I'm completely new, to a proper Linux > (hard disk) installation)! > Seems like more reading and practicing needed from my party! :-) > > Glad to hear you got that. I have told a lot of people that Gentoo > has great Linux info even if you don't run that, pain in the butt but > fun distro, but few seem to listen. > > > no distro is complete without proper documentation and extensive help files. man files are great, but are a bit old fashioned, and don't serve the user's needs in a graphical environment. one of the few things i miss in windows is the help and support center. it contained _everything_! and more importantly is that it is local on the HD, and more than can bring stuff from online documentation when connected. Believe it or not, i learned what partitions and filesystems and a lot more computer stuff from that help and support center. i see that gentoo did an excellent job in their wiki, though i never used gentoo before. it's weird how you can find tons of people willing to do the hardest stuff of coding and programming, and very few willing to help write a proper documentation which anyone with computer literacy can do! -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 13:58:01 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:58:01 +0200 Subject: man pages In-Reply-To: <489C4D5D.4080003@gmail.com> References: <489C4D5D.4080003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808081558.01913.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Friday, 08 August 2008 15:42:53 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > man files are great, but are a bit old fashioned, and don't serve > the user's needs in a graphical environment. Try reading them via Konqueror (maybe Dolphin too?) Type "man: command" in the address bar. \d From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 14:26:23 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:26:23 +0300 Subject: slightly OT: Internet weirdities In-Reply-To: <489C5AE9.1832.4F5E22@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> References: <489B7965.8070508@gmail.com>, <489BFBCA.2157.3578E1@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org>, <880dece00808080506l6d56a51dicb489cab3d965da9@mail.gmail.com> <489C5AE9.1832.4F5E22@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <489C578F.3060907@gmail.com> Jeff wrote: > > Please check your assertions first. > > The relevant section from the headers is: > Received: from ?192.168.0.53? ( [213.254.233.9]) > by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j2sm1257912mue.8.2008.08.07.15.38.42 > (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:38:45 -0700 > (PDT) > > Obviously 192.168.0.53 is the internal address of the PC composing > the message. 212.254.233.9 is the external address from which the > message was sent to mx.google.com using > > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) > > The headers would have been different if the message had been posted > using Gigglemail's web interface in the way that you did. In that > event you correctly describe how they only list the IP Address of the > https server presenting the web page to the user. > true, i'm using TB using gmail's smtp. 192.168.0.53 is my IP on the local network, the other IP 212.254.233.9 changes everytime i dial a connection and isn't even my IP, i'm behind a NAT, my ISP gives me a different 172.16.143.* , the other IP is reported as my external IP by many websites and more weirdly, whatever the external IP is, it's always reported as german, and all websites keep showing me german ads, even though i'm waaaaay too far from germany (or UK). some smart websites can detect my ISP's proxy (using a horribly configured squid 2.7) and put local ads. >> Furthermore, I suspect that you traced in the wrong direction, >> mistaking the destination for the origin, which is why you see you own >> ISP's address at the end. > > I know my IP address, its reverse DNS, and the IP address of my > mailserver, and they are not the ones that I traced! I do not see my > own ISPs address anywhere on that email. > >> As for Willy's concern, I also see erratic download speeds from *buntu >> mirrors. I have never made the association with pinging, and figured >> that it was a fault of my ISP. It has never been so bad that's I've >> had to complain. > > If he is using Tiscali, or a reseller thereof, then one only has to > look at http://search.theregister.co.uk/?q=tiscali to get a whole lot > of (bad) news about the company. trust me, whatever this tiscali isp is, mine is much worse :P -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <489BA205.20507@gmail.com> <1454815.gKyt2GutHj@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808080014.04262.pandarsson@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1250795.qB5BPOq1MQ@cedar.serverforest.com> Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > On Thursday 07 August 2008 9:20:08 pm Derek Broughton wrote: >> Giorgos Kostopoulos wrote: >> > I just installed kubuntu and I have a question. >> > GRUB set entries for launching kubuntu and windows. >> > I added myself an entry, for booting from the floppy (fd0). >> > >> > Is there any possibility for adding a similar entry for booting from CD >> > (without rebooting)? >> >> You set it to boot from CD in the BIOS (any bios should give you a series >> of options for boot devices - as long as your system is capable of >> booting from CD, it will be there). There _is_ no way to boot without >> rebooting... > > I'm not sure what you're saying here. My GRUB has an entry for my DVD > drive and has no problems booting from it. What I'm saying is there's no need for it. -- derek From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 14:31:49 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:31:49 +0300 Subject: man pages In-Reply-To: <200808081558.01913.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <489C4D5D.4080003@gmail.com> <200808081558.01913.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <489C58D5.4060607@gmail.com> Donn wrote: > On Friday, 08 August 2008 15:42:53 Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> man files are great, but are a bit old fashioned, and don't serve >> the user's needs in a graphical environment. > Try reading them via Konqueror (maybe Dolphin too?) > Type "man: command" in the address bar. > > \d > thanks, i already know this, but my point is that these man pages are written for the command line programs. GUI applications rarely have man pages, they have help files, but most of them are too short and some contain nothing but a brief description of the program. -- Willy K. 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Hamra wrote: > > man files are great, but are a bit old fashioned, and don't serve > > the user's needs in a graphical environment. > > Try reading them via Konqueror (maybe Dolphin too?) > Type "man: command" in the address bar. > > \d -- Glenn R Williams ------------------------- Tegirmende tovmış sıçgan kökreginge korkmas -- Atasöz From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Aug 8 14:24:30 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:24:30 -0300 Subject: GRUB question. References: <489C3FB8.4080005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3590685.g1AnMmQ9Ze@cedar.serverforest.com> Giorgos Kostopoulos wrote: > * 2) If I'm at GRUB menu, I'm always able to hit ctrl-alt-del and reboot > from floppy, but putting an fd0 entry in GRUB menu, giving me the > possibility to boot from the floppy (after putting a bootable floppy in > tray (eg. supergrub disk, or freedos), with selecting the floppy menu > entry, without rebooting. That's a reboot - no wonder I was confused. You always have to reboot to start a new kernel. > Unfortunately, adding an cdr0, cdrom or dvd entry, is giving me the: > > "error23: error while parsing number. > press any key to continue..." What exactly do you have in /boot/grub/menu.lst? -- derek From chief at porterfire.org Fri Aug 8 14:50:19 2008 From: chief at porterfire.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:50:19 -0400 Subject: kontact (KDEv4.1) and Google Calendar In-Reply-To: <200808081056.53870.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200808081056.53870.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200808081050.23262.lists@ptfd.org> On Friday 08 August 2008 04:56:53 Alain Muls wrote: > Hi Kubuntu-users > > I am trying to make a switch from HH KDEv3.5 to HH KDEv4.1. > I managed to convert my thunderbird mail and address book to kontact with > only very minor problems. A first question is the following: is the > information in the address book used throughout all KDE programs, eg > Kopete? > > Another problem I have not solved is how to access a Google Calendar I use > into kontact. How does one synchronize the korganizer calendar with the > Google calendar? > > Tx/Alain I recently set this up with GCaldaemon. Google it as I dont remember exactly how I did it. It does work pretty well for me, but I am still having trouble with kontact 4.1 getting the resource colors correct and making them stick. I use it with 7 different google cal's and it syncs well. Mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 15:07:20 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:07:20 -0600 Subject: quick launcher and konq Message-ID: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> I have konq set to start from a click on the panel quick launcher, but it does so with the wrong profile. Does anyone know where the configuration file is that I can edit so as to force Konq to start with the correct profile when I use the quick launcher? Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 15:21:11 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:21:11 +0200 Subject: quick launcher and konq In-Reply-To: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> References: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808081721.11202.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Friday, 08 August 2008 17:07:20 D. R. Evans wrote: > Does anyone know where the configuration > file is that I can edit so as to force Konq to start with the correct > profile when I use the quick launcher? In the props of the shortcut icon, use this command: konqueror --profile filemanagement Replace as you need. \d From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 15:16:04 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:16:04 +0200 Subject: quick launcher and konq In-Reply-To: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> References: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/8 D. R. Evans : > I have konq set to start from a click on the panel quick launcher, but it > does so with the wrong profile. Does anyone know where the configuration > file is that I can edit so as to force Konq to start with the correct > profile when I use the quick launcher? > > Doc > Start konqueror with the --profile option: "konqueror -profile " From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Aug 8 15:18:40 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:18:40 -0500 Subject: man pages In-Reply-To: <200808081558.01913.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <489C4D5D.4080003@gmail.com> <200808081558.01913.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <489C63D0.60601@swbell.net> Donn wrote: > On Friday, 08 August 2008 15:42:53 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> man files are great, but are a bit old fashioned, and don't serve >> the user's needs in a graphical environment. >> > Try reading them via Konqueror (maybe Dolphin too?) > Type "man: command" in the address bar. > > \d I hope any programmers here don't take this wrong. You guys do great stuff at what your best at. BUT, most times programmers aren't the best at writing up the instructions for the software you write. Like "man" pages. They assume a knowledge base that some just don't have. I know I don't. Most man pages are just gibberish for me. I haven't a clue what half the stuff they're telling me is, or does. The same goes or many of the "wiki" pages that I find. They are written by people that find it second nature to do what their trying to tell other what to do. If you don't have the knowledge base necessary it is nearly impossible to decipher. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 15:52:52 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:52:52 -0600 Subject: quick launcher and konq In-Reply-To: <200808081721.11202.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> <200808081721.11202.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <489C6BD4.5090908@gmail.com> Donn said the following at 08/08/2008 09:21 AM : > On Friday, 08 August 2008 17:07:20 D. R. Evans wrote: >> Does anyone know where the configuration >> file is that I can edit so as to force Konq to start with the correct >> profile when I use the quick launcher? > In the props of the shortcut icon, use this command: > konqueror --profile filemanagement Where are the "props of the shortcut icon"? Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 15:54:01 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:54:01 -0600 Subject: quick launcher and konq In-Reply-To: References: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <489C6C19.7010309@gmail.com> Jonas Norlander said the following at 08/08/2008 09:16 AM : > 2008/8/8 D. R. Evans : >> I have konq set to start from a click on the panel quick launcher, but it >> does so with the wrong profile. Does anyone know where the configuration >> file is that I can edit so as to force Konq to start with the correct >> profile when I use the quick launcher? >> >> Doc >> > > Start konqueror with the --profile option: "konqueror -profile " > Um, yes. How???? It sure ain't obvious. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 16:22:39 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:22:39 +0200 Subject: quick launcher and konq In-Reply-To: <489C6BD4.5090908@gmail.com> References: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> <200808081721.11202.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <489C6BD4.5090908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808081822.39825.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Friday, 08 August 2008 17:52:52 D. R. Evans wrote: > Where are the "props of the shortcut icon"? 1. Right click your icon. 2. Configure 3. Application tab 4. Fill in Command text box 5. Hit OK 6. Test. props == properties. \d -- Let's get up off our knees, stop cringing before bogeymen and virtual fathers, face reality, and help science to do something constructive about human suffering. -- Richard Dawkins Fonty Python and other dev news at: http://otherwiseingle.blogspot.com/ From alain.muls at telenet.be Fri Aug 8 16:30:02 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:30:02 +0200 Subject: kontact (KDEv4.1) and Google Calendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808081830.02152.alain.muls@telenet.be> On Friday 08 August 2008 17:54:12 kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > On Friday 08 August 2008 04:56:53 Alain Muls wrote: > > Hi Kubuntu-users > > > > I am trying to make a switch from HH KDEv3.5 to HH KDEv4.1. > > I managed to convert my thunderbird mail and address book to kontact with > > only very minor problems. A first question is the following: is the > > information in the address book used throughout all KDE programs, eg > > Kopete? > > > > Another problem I have not solved is how to access a Google Calendar I > > use into kontact. How does one synchronize the korganizer calendar with > > the Google calendar? > > > > Tx/Alain > > I recently set this up with GCaldaemon. Google it as I dont remember > exactly how I did it. It does work pretty well for me, but I am still > having trouble with kontact 4.1 getting the resource colors correct and > making them stick. I use it with 7 different google cal's and it syncs > well. Hi Mike, That is cool, how do you specify more than 1 google calendar since I would like to do it with 3 (1 for 2-way sync, the others just read-only) Tx/ALain > > Mike > -- > Michael W. Holdeman > Chief > Porter Fire Department From giorgos67 at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 16:40:03 2008 From: giorgos67 at gmail.com (Giorgos Kostopoulos) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:40:03 +0300 Subject: GRUB question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489C76E3.7000000@gmail.com> >> I'm not sure what you're saying here. My GRUB has an entry for my DVD >> drive and has no problems booting from it. > That's great! :-) Can you post here the related entry? > > That's a reboot - no wonder I was confused. You always have to reboot to > start a new kernel. > Oh! Sorry! I didn't knew it! :-) Anyway! I meant that is booting from the floppy, without restarting the PC with extra delays (clearing the screen, showing the garphic card model, the "press DEL for BIOS setup" etc). Just booting from floppy and launching the floppy OS (even non-Linux based, like ROM-DOS). > > What exactly do you have in /boot/grub/menu.lst? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > At menu.lst: * I've changed the hd references to 0,0 (default 1,0 were wrong). * I've changed the colors to the suggested blue combination (with just removing the comment sign) and * I've added the floppy entry. * For the DVD booting attempt, I tried cdr0, cdrom and dvd with no luck. Well, here's the entire menu.lst: # menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8) # grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8), # grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub # and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/. ## default num # Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and # the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used. # # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'. # WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not use 'savedefault' or your # array will desync and will not let you boot your system. default saved ## timeout sec # Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry # (normally the first entry defined). timeout 4 ## hiddenmenu # Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu) #hiddenmenu # Pretty colours color cyan/blue white/blue ## password ['--md5'] passwd # If used in the first section of a menu file, disable all interactive editing # control (menu entry editor and command-line) and entries protected by the # command 'lock' # e.g. password topsecret # password --md5 $1$gLhU0/$aW78kHK1QfV3P2b2znUoe/ # password topsecret # # examples # # title Windows 95/98/NT/2000 # root (hd0,0) # makeactive # chainloader +1 # # title Linux # root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro # # # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs ## ## Start Default Options ## ## default kernel options ## default kernel options for automagic boot options ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted. ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro # kopt=root=UUID=1c9f33cc-ee15-4730-9fb6-a59020dcc728 ro ## Setup crashdump menu entries ## e.g. crashdump=1 # crashdump=0 ## default grub root device ## e.g. groot=(hd0,0) # groot=(hd1,3) ## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options ## e.g. alternative=true ## alternative=false # alternative=true ## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options ## e.g. lockalternative=true ## lockalternative=false # lockalternative=false ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the ## alternatives ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5 # defoptions=quiet splash ## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options ## e.g. lockold=false ## lockold=true # lockold=false ## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option # xenhopt= ## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option # xenkopt=console=tty0 ## altoption boot targets option ## multiple altoptions lines are allowed ## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options ## altoptions=(recovery) single # altoptions=(recovery mode) single ## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst ## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the ## alternative kernel options ## e.g. howmany=all ## howmany=7 # howmany=all ## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option ## e.g. memtest86=true ## memtest86=false # memtest86=true ## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system ## can be true or false # updatedefaultentry=false ## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options ## can be true or false # savedefault=false ## ## End Default Options ## title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic root (hd0,3) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic root=UUID=1c9f33cc-ee15-4730-9fb6-a59020dcc728 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic quiet savedefault title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic (recovery mode) root (hd0,3) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic root=UUID=1c9f33cc-ee15-4730-9fb6-a59020dcc728 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic title Ubuntu 8.04.1, memtest86+ root (hd0,3) kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin quiet ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST # This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian # ones. title Other operating systems: root title Floppy (loader) root (fd0) chainloader +1 title DVD-RW (loader) root (dvd) chainloader +1 # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS # on /dev/sdb1 title Windows NT/2000/XP (loader) root (hd0,0) savedefault makeactive map (hd0) (hd0) map (hd0) (hd0) chainloader +1 savedefault From jgomezdans at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 16:44:07 2008 From: jgomezdans at gmail.com (Jose Gomez-Dans) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:44:07 +0100 Subject: kontact (KDEv4.1) and Google Calendar In-Reply-To: <200808081830.02152.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200808081830.02152.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <91d218430808080944x2cd0f477qf799fb6a425f85a0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Alain Muls wrote: > > That is cool, how do you specify more than 1 google calendar since I would > like to do it with 3 (1 for 2-way sync, the others just read-only) There's also kitchensync that allows synchronisation. I can't get it to work, but maybe you can and can guide me :) J -- Centre for Terrestrial Carbon Dynamics Department of Geography, University College London Gower Street, London WC1E 6BT, UK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 16:52:21 2008 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:52:21 -0600 Subject: quick launcher and konq In-Reply-To: <200808081822.39825.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> <200808081721.11202.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <489C6BD4.5090908@gmail.com> <200808081822.39825.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <489C79C5.4030403@gmail.com> Donn said the following at 08/08/2008 10:22 AM : > On Friday, 08 August 2008 17:52:52 D. R. Evans wrote: >> Where are the "props of the shortcut icon"? > 1. Right click your icon. OK... it says: Add Application -> Configure Quicklauncher... Remove > 2. Configure I assume you mean "Configure Quicklauncher..." > 3. Application tab There is no "Application" tab. In fact, no tabs at all. This is Kununtu 64-bit 8.04, but I think this behaviour hasn't changed in a long time. Somewhere there has to be an ini or rc file that I can edit, but I can't find it. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR From chief at porterfire.org Fri Aug 8 17:06:08 2008 From: chief at porterfire.org (Michael W. Holdeman) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:06:08 -0400 Subject: kontact (KDEv4.1) and Google Calendar In-Reply-To: <200808081830.02152.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200808081830.02152.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200808081306.08786.lists@ptfd.org> On Friday 08 August 2008 12:30:02 Alain Muls wrote: > On Friday 08 August 2008 17:54:12 kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > wrote: > > On Friday 08 August 2008 04:56:53 Alain Muls wrote: > > > Hi Kubuntu-users > > > > > > I am trying to make a switch from HH KDEv3.5 to HH KDEv4.1. > > > I managed to convert my thunderbird mail and address book to kontact > > > with only very minor problems. A first question is the following: is > > > the information in the address book used throughout all KDE programs, > > > eg Kopete? > > > > > > Another problem I have not solved is how to access a Google Calendar I > > > use into kontact. How does one synchronize the korganizer calendar with > > > the Google calendar? > > > > > > Tx/Alain > > > > I recently set this up with GCaldaemon. Google it as I dont remember > > exactly how I did it. It does work pretty well for me, but I am still > > having trouble with kontact 4.1 getting the resource colors correct and > > making them stick. I use it with 7 different google cal's and it syncs > > well. > > Hi Mike, > > That is cool, how do you specify more than 1 google calendar since I would > like to do it with 3 (1 for 2-way sync, the others just read-only) I was unable to get kitchensync to work. GCaldaemon have to set up each cal separetly. Hang on I'll look for the guide I used....... Ah here you go.. http://www.linux.com/feature/122054, and also here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=184382&package_id=215529&abmode=1 Hope this helps. I use kontact for my email, including gmail, the calendar as I said now is goofing up with not sticking the settings, and not showing the proper colors for resources,.. havent looked into that yet, but I also noticed that switching from weekly to monthly cal's takes FOREVER?? I dont use akregator anymore as I think google reader works better to my taste. I have always used koragnizer for a long time now but am considering just using google calendar as I like the way it prints better for me and my purposes. I will try it when google gears is set to work properly with google calendar, for now I can us them both with gcaldaemon keeping my cals up to date with korganizer. Mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org From list at loampitsfarm.co.uk Fri Aug 8 17:29:06 2008 From: list at loampitsfarm.co.uk (list at loampitsfarm.co.uk) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:29:06 +0100 Subject: man pages In-Reply-To: <489C63D0.60601@swbell.net> References: <200808081558.01913.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <489C63D0.60601@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200808081829.06918.list@loampitsfarm.co.uk> On Friday 08 August 2008 16:18:40 Billie Walsh wrote: > Most man pages are just gibberish for me. I > haven't a clue what half the stuff they're telling me is, or does. > > The same goes or many of the "wiki" pages that I find. They are > written by people that find it second nature to do what their > trying to tell other what to do. If you don't have the knowledge > base necessary it is nearly impossible to decipher. That makes two of us then ;-) I don't and haven't programmed but I do remember my first lesson, it was to "program" the cooking of an egg. It taught us to assume nothing and describe every step. I too often flounder following man or command line lines. Andrew From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Aug 8 17:22:30 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:22:30 -0300 Subject: GRUB question. References: <489C76E3.7000000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4808821.hIosF7HThS@cedar.serverforest.com> Giorgos Kostopoulos wrote: > title DVD-RW (loader) > root (dvd) I don't know anything about using Grub to boot from the DVD but that just doesn't look right (how would Grub cope with multiple DVD players?). I expect when we hear from the poster who has such an entry, that the root option will be different. -- derek From grey at dmiyu.org Fri Aug 8 17:50:30 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve C. Lamb) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:50:30 -0400 Subject: Kde 4.1 thoughts Message-ID: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> Ok, I've posted a few times to this list my utter disgust at the state of KDE v4.0. I feel that it is only fair that I also post my initial reaction to 4.1. My first reaction while KDE 4.1 was starting up was that the background is very, very nice. I know that is fluff but as pretty as the Gnome background is in 8.04 I felt it was a shame that KUbuntu did not have an equally striking background. KDE 4.1's background is absolutely spot on. Subdued and not busy enough to work as a wallpaper, striking in its lines and colors. I love it. Next up is the panel. Previously I was quite upset that simlpe things like moving items on the panel was not included. That has been rectified. Items are now movable so one doesn't have to know the secret handshake to get items placed where desired on the panel. Also the method of locating the panel and sizing it is quite intuative. I am still cold to the whole "plasmoid" thing. Seriously, they're applications inside non-standard window controls. Requires the user to noodle out non-standard way of manipulating them and they're, by and large, a waste of screen real-estate. I honestly don't see why these are supposed to be the hottest thing since sliced bread nor why so much time is going into developing the framework when it is of little to no benefit and obvious non-intuative duplication of controls. All-in-all KDE4.0 was utter crap. KDE4.1 is a huge step in the right direction. It is nominally usable now. Meaning once I replaced the idiot menu with the functional one (which is still graphically buggy) the system is to a level where one can perform basic functions. -- Steve C. 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I have always assumed it was > from "SuperUser do" but could it be from "Switch User (substitute user) do" > > John > > Well, I for one set up a root account (By choice) OK, redirection is borked using sudo. Ok, lets say perhaps you want to backup your menu.lst file in /boot/grub so: $ cd /boot/grub $ sudo cat menu.lst > menu.lst.bak (I know, you could just use sudo cp menu.lst menu.lst.bak but my example doesn't work...) Or, you want to add another nameserver to your /etc/resolv.conf file $ cd /etc $ sudo echo "nameserver 192.168.1.1" >> resolv.conf Fails as well.... OK so you can just sudo nano resolv.conf and add it and then save it, but again for the example.... Now, I know redirection doesn't work, but unfortunately many bash scripters who assume you will run their script under root don't and I've wasted many hours of trying to live with sudo and no root password beating my head off walls and having to sudo -i that you just start running sudo -i off the bat....... And for people who believe having a root password is a huge security risk, how about having a user with just as much power... What I'm trying to say is I feel it is alot more secure to remove admin and sudo privileges from the user and set up a root password, then as suggested edit the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and remove root logins and change the port to anything other than default.... and install fail2ban and set it up to thwart script kiddies. Hopefully they waste all their time trying to logon as root, because it is just as secure as having no root password from the outside. From the inside of the network there is more of threat, but I've seen cleartext user passwords in scripts to start services at one time... And playing in a terminal with malicious scripts that have "sudo -rf /etc/*" in them, that you run as a regular user soon after using sudo, will run without asking you for the password within the timeout period (Just an example, nobody runs bad scripts) Plus it kinda gets like Windows Vistas UAC where inexperienced users 'just click through anything' without paying attention. I think the /etc/sudoers file should NOT have %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL in it. I am a huge supporter of sudo actually (For the GUI stuff, synaptic, what have you) but the sudoers file should ONLY allow things on a case by case basis and not have godlike power... The Ubuntu way reminds me of MacOSX and Windows Vista where a regular user has root power by clicking a button or just typing a password. I want my UNIX/linux the way it was in the beginning... Regular users and root, with using chmod, chown and setting groups as needed, security can be improved massively compared to a stock Ubuntu install... I can see WHY they did this, as it's for linux newbies as well and they want everything to "Work easily, right out of the box." Many newbies would be turned off if Ubuntu was set really secure... And secure means secure from the user as well. strace -oping.out ping google.com Well all in all I feel that having a root password and having a single superuser and stripping the regular user of sudo privilege works better for me... In a larger environment where many admins work on a single computer; yes, sudo is a better alternative for logging and more granularity of privilege. And for those that feel the Ubuntu way is much safer or more secure because of a lack of root, why don't they enable selinux out of the box? Why is AppArmour not really doing anything by default? No extended ACL's, and improper sudo use is also default... Fixing this would surely make more of a difference for arguments sake than worrying about a root password... Setting up chroot jails around insecure applications is another important step. Like all software, OSS software has bugs. Any many programs are very complex and constantly are found to have privilege escalation exploits. Samba is one.... If you have all linux computers, why use it? NFS works just as well and has (in the past anyway) far fewer security problems. PHP and drupal (Isn't all input improperly "sanitized") and distros setting many programs setuid are asking for problems.... Sure, you can stay updated and firewalled the best you can, but assume that all software can and will be breached! Not design your security around this fact to minimize damage and 'surface area' Many programs don't need all the privileges they run with so use THE BARE MINIMUM needed to get the job done and sandbox and firewall the hell out of the more accessible ones [Apache (CGI scripts), bind9, Samba, NFS, FTP, P2P software, SSH] Don't assume firewalls will stop exploits, they are just another tool (Yes important...) see http://jerichoforum.org for more on de-perimeterization of firewalls. Back in the old days, to keep people of the internet in your corporation, just simple blocking of port 80 and 443 would do the trick.... Now anyone can setup a simple proxy at home and surf the web... Or vnc, or vpn's... The firewall boundary is fading... Set up your network assuming there is NO firewall and protect your services and data the best you can, THEN use a hardware firewall forwarding only the ports you need through (Not jabbing your server in a DMZ), then setup a software firewall (iptables) doing the same; but don't put all your eggs into the firewall basket assuming it will stop all attacks.... And by-god turn off upnp automatic port-forwards in the gateway. Back on my hatred of setuid programs.. POSIX file attributes are a better way than running as root. The ping command is a good example. All you need to do is grant it access to rawsockets (POSIX code 13) and you don't need to run ping as root. Of course there is probably no exploit in ping, but why does it need GOD power.... Adding POSIX file capabilities in the kernel allows you to run most programs (like ping) that need root power as a regular user and NOT using setuid by granting them the specific power they need without giving them FULL root. Ping only needs the power to access rawsockets, but Ubuntu gives the ping program the power to delete the entire /etc directory without needing sudo.... Scary ain't it... OK, going way off topic... But if you want a root account go for it! There's more important security problems to worry about! From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Fri Aug 8 18:15:09 2008 From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:15:09 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1. - Laptopkeys Message-ID: <200808082015.11285.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Hey, I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.1. I've noticed that some of my laptop keys, like in- and decreasing volume, no longer work since my step to 4.1. I've tested the Kubuntu daily live cd from today and noticed that it's working now. Does anyone know the difference or where to look? Thx, Karl Just some info about how i keep my image up to date; using rsync... :~$ rsync -vzhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/*i386.iso /home/karl/cdimage/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso From teeahr1 at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 18:19:08 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:19:08 -0500 Subject: Kde 4.1 thoughts In-Reply-To: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> References: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200808081319.08821.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Friday August 8 2008 12:50:30 Steve C. Lamb wrote: > I am still cold to the whole "plasmoid" thing. Seriously, they're > applications inside non-standard window controls. No they're not. They're widget containers that can house almost any kind of widget written in most any language, and put it anywhere on the screen(s). Put widgets on the desktop, put widgets on only desktops 2 and 3, put widgets in the panel on odd-numbered desktops, put widgets in widgets. (That last is exactly what you're doing when you put something in the panel on KDE4; putting a widget container in a widget container.) The concept and the code are still very much works in progress, but that's exciting stuff. But wait there's more; eventual plans include real integration with KDE applications, so you could (for instance) drag the icon for your inbox out of Kontact's window onto the desktop or onto a panel and viola! Your inbox is now a plamoid. This is cool stuff. > Requires the user to > noodle out non-standard way of manipulating them and they're, by and large, > a waste of screen real-estate. I honestly don't see why these are supposed > to be the hottest thing since sliced bread nor why so much time is going > into developing the framework when it is of little to no benefit and > obvious non-intuative duplication of controls. I agree with the critique on the controls. It's gone through a couple iterations so far, and there's definitely still work to be done. Frankly I could do without the sidebar controls altogether if they'd just put Resize and Rotate in the right-click menu. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teeahr1 at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 18:23:08 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:23:08 -0500 Subject: Kde 4.1 thoughts In-Reply-To: <200808081319.08821.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> <200808081319.08821.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808081323.08178.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Friday August 8 2008 13:19:08 I wrote: > No they're not. They're widget containers that can house almost any kind of > widget written in most any language, and put it anywhere on the screen(s). > Put widgets on the desktop, put widgets on only desktops 2 and 3, put > widgets in the panel on odd-numbered desktops, put widgets in widgets. > (That last is exactly what you're doing when you put something in the panel > on KDE4; putting a widget container in a widget container.) The concept and > the code are still very much works in progress, but that's exciting stuff. > But wait there's more; eventual plans include real integration with KDE > applications, so you could (for instance) drag the icon for your inbox out > of Kontact's window onto the desktop or onto a panel and viola! Your inbox > is now a plamoid. This is cool stuff. Replying to myself, on the subject of interesting use-cases. Seems this guy has written a hack that turns any running app into a Plasmoid. 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URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 18:33:49 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:33:49 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1. - Laptopkeys In-Reply-To: <200808082015.11285.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> References: <200808082015.11285.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > Hey, > > I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.1. > I've noticed that some of my laptop keys, like in- and decreasing volume, no > longer work since my step to 4.1. > > I've tested the Kubuntu daily live cd from today and noticed that it's working > now. > > Does anyone know the difference or where to look? > > Thx, Karl > > > Just some info about how i keep my image up to date; > using rsync... :~$ rsync -vzhP > rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/*i386.iso > /home/karl/cdimage/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > What laptop? -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Aug 8 18:37:46 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:37:46 -0500 Subject: Kde 4.1 thoughts In-Reply-To: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> References: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <489C927A.2050702@swbell.net> On 08/08/2008 Steve C. Lamb wrote: > I honestly don't see why these are supposed to be the > hottest thing since sliced bread nor why so much time is going into > developing > the framework when it is of little to no benefit and obvious > non-intuative > duplication of controls. Koz Winders has'em. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Aug 8 18:40:10 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:40:10 -0300 Subject: Kde 4.1 thoughts References: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> <200808081319.08821.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1861284.DUetAqCGNr@cedar.serverforest.com> p.daniels wrote: > you could (for instance) drag the > icon for your inbox out of Kontact's window onto the desktop or onto a > panel and viola! Your inbox is now a plamoid. This is cool stuff. It will take a while, but at KDE 9.1, they expect to turn your head into a plasmoid :-) -- derek From grey at dmiyu.org Fri Aug 8 18:56:21 2008 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve C. Lamb) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:56:21 -0400 Subject: Kde 4.1 thoughts In-Reply-To: <200808081319.08821.teeahr1@gmail.com> References: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> <200808081319.08821.teeahr1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080808185621.GE1998@dmiyu.org> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 01:19:08PM -0500, p.daniels wrote: > On Friday August 8 2008 12:50:30 Steve C. Lamb wrote: > > I am still cold to the whole "plasmoid" thing. Seriously, they're > > applications inside non-standard window controls. > No they're not. They're widget containers that can house almost any kind of > widget written in most any language, and put it anywhere on the screen(s). This is different than what a WM does how, exactly? The WM puts a fraim around a widget, er, application written in most any language and puts it anywhere on the screens. > Put widgets on the desktop, put widgets on only desktops 2 and 3, put > widgets in the panel on odd-numbered desktops, put widgets in widgets. This is different than me putting applications on only desktops 2 and 3 how, exactly? Same thing. > applications, so you could (for instance) drag the icon for your inbox out > of Kontact's window onto the desktop or onto a panel and viola! Your inbox > is now a plamoid. This is cool stuff. Yes, yes, and pie-in-the-sky boredom, really. Let me know when I can finally integrate vim into KMail. I don't are to see my inbox on my desktop, but having my editor embedded into clients is golden. Something that parts were supposed to do 10 years ago. -- Steve C. 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Hamra wrote: >> >>> man files are great, but are a bit old fashioned, and don't serve >>> the user's needs in a graphical environment. >>> >> Try reading them via Konqueror (maybe Dolphin too?) >> Type "man: command" in the address bar. >> >> \d > > I hope any programmers here don't take this wrong. You guys do great > stuff at what your best at. BUT, most times programmers aren't the best > at writing up the instructions for the software you write. > > Like "man" pages. They assume a knowledge base that some just don't > have. I know I don't. Most man pages are just gibberish for me. I > haven't a clue what half the stuff they're telling me is, or does. > > The same goes or many of the "wiki" pages that I find. They are written > by people that find it second nature to do what their trying to tell > other what to do. If you don't have the knowledge base necessary it is > nearly impossible to decipher. I could not agree more! I just got a man page about a perlin noise function. You can understand it unless you understand what and how perlin does it's thing. A bit circluar as are most manuals. Or the other ones that say that the close application button closes the application. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From news at pointerstop.ca Fri Aug 8 18:46:00 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:46:00 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <12970553.4EFo5htinQ@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808051116.47785.jerryg@gaiser.org> <200808072159.22027.john@nosuitsit.com> <489C8AF1.5040706@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1324019.YvPGYLSmnZ@cedar.serverforest.com> Joel Oliver wrote: > OK, redirection is borked using sudo. How so? Of course, you can't do "sudo command >/root/file", but you can't do that with "su", either. I can't say I've tried to work around it, I just use "sudo -i", but I'm sure it can be done with appropriate quoting. > Now, I know redirection doesn't work, but unfortunately many bash > scripters who assume you will run their script under root don't and I've Hang on, that's just wrong. If I'm going to run a _script_, redirection in the script is working. -- derek From paul at lemmons.name Fri Aug 8 19:58:28 2008 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:58:28 -0700 Subject: Kde 4.1 thoughts In-Reply-To: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> References: <20080808175029.GB1998@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <489CA564.5040003@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Kde 4.1 thoughts From: "Steve C. Lamb" To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Date: 08/08/2008 10:50 AM > Ok, I've posted a few times to this list my utter disgust at the state of > KDE v4.0. I feel that it is only fair that I also post my initial reaction to > 4.1. > > My first reaction while KDE 4.1 was starting up was that the background is > very, very nice. I know that is fluff but as pretty as the Gnome background > is in 8.04 I felt it was a shame that KUbuntu did not have an equally striking > background. KDE 4.1's background is absolutely spot on. Subdued and not busy > enough to work as a wallpaper, striking in its lines and colors. I love it. > > Next up is the panel. Previously I was quite upset that simlpe things > like moving items on the panel was not included. That has been rectified. > Items are now movable so one doesn't have to know the secret handshake to get > items placed where desired on the panel. Also the method of locating the > panel and sizing it is quite intuative. > > I am still cold to the whole "plasmoid" thing. Seriously, they're > applications inside non-standard window controls. Requires the user to noodle > out non-standard way of manipulating them and they're, by and large, a waste > of screen real-estate. I honestly don't see why these are supposed to be the > hottest thing since sliced bread nor why so much time is going into developing > the framework when it is of little to no benefit and obvious non-intuative > duplication of controls. > > All-in-all KDE4.0 was utter crap. KDE4.1 is a huge step in the right > direction. It is nominally usable now. Meaning once I replaced the idiot > menu with the functional one (which is still graphically buggy) the system is > to a level where one can perform basic functions. > > While I basically agree with Steve, I am not as adamant about it. KDE 4.0 was exactly what it was advertised to be. They set expectations and met them. It was totally unusable but gave us a glimpse of where it was going. It was, at best, very interesting. KDE 4.1 is still very much a work in progress and is still being represented as such. Nobody is saying it is done or even close to done. What is impressive about 4.1 is the delta between it and 4.0. A "step" in the right direction is a huge understatement. KDE 4.1 has the potential to actually be useful. It is much more stable and the ability to customize the interface is improving daily. It is close enough that I am teetering on the brink of switching. It is almost ripe enough to be sweet. The jury is still out for me on the whole "Plasmoid" thing. I have tinkered with them and so far, I have not found anything valuable enough to dedicate any work space for. That does not make them bad or useless. It just means that for me they have yet to show their value. Time will tell if this changes. I, like most of us, am still looking for a few features to appear. If I have any frustration at all it would be centered on the interface mimicking Vista too closely. I don't like Windows. It is why I use Linux. I do not like the new start button. Truth is I did not much care for the old start button. In 3.5.9 I configured my desktop so that a right-click brings up the application menu. A Left-Click brings up the running application list. Center-click brings up the desktop configuration menu. This allowed me to remove the start button and task list from my panel. These functions now take zero space and are still very handy. KDE4.1 does not have this ability yet. I also miss the quick-start panel. I keep my top 4-6 applications there. I have seen that someone is writing a widget that does this but at last gander they did not have it working for 4.1 yet. For me it is getting down to the little things. Soon the bulk of what I want will reach critical mass and I will tip over to 4.1. I am actually hoping that will happen sooner than later. -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 21:05:25 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:05:25 +0200 Subject: quick launcher and konq In-Reply-To: <489C79C5.4030403@gmail.com> References: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> <200808081721.11202.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <489C6BD4.5090908@gmail.com> <200808081822.39825.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <489C79C5.4030403@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/8 D. R. Evans : > OK... it says: > Add Application -> > Configure Quicklauncher... > Remove > >> 2. Configure > > I assume you mean "Configure Quicklauncher..." > >> 3. Application tab > > There is no "Application" tab. In fact, no tabs at all. > > This is Kununtu 64-bit 8.04, but I think this behaviour hasn't changed in a > long time. > > Somewhere there has to be an ini or rc file that I can edit, but I can't > find it. > > Doc > When you adding an icon/program to the quicklauncher you are choosing it from your start menu so one way to do it would be to make a menu entry with the command you want and add that to the quicklauncher. / Jonas From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Fri Aug 8 22:23:10 2008 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (GrokIt) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:23:10 -0400 Subject: My Ibex is virtually panicking! Message-ID: <200808081823.10532.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> I want to check out Intrepid but I do not want to install it on my only machine since I go to college online. I do not have enough hard drive space to make another partition to install it on so I decided that I would make a virtual machine. I use the latest version of VirtualBox on Kubuntu 8.04. My problem is that every time I try to install 8.10 I get a kernel panic. Here is what I did and got the same problem with each using Kubuntu, Ubuntu, and the alternate version. Downloaded the iso file. MD5 sum is correct. Made a new virtual machine. Panic from iso as boot disk after I try to install. Burn disk at 4X to use as a boot disk and yes I did that correctly. Make a new virtual machine. Panic from CD as boot disk after I try to install. I also get a kernel panic when I try to check the CD's or iso's for defects. Memtest works fine but that doesn't use the kernel, I think. I have a couple of virtual machines from DOS 6.2 to XP, Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4, and a few other linux distros so I know how to work with Vbox. I know how to edit files inside an iso, if that would fix this. I've been on *buntu for almost a year, use AIX at work and overcame heinous upgrade and nvidia problems (envy is a godsend, thank you Alberto!) so I guess I've graduated from noob. I can't find anything useful about this on the internets and I have no chickens for voodoo. If anyone has some ideas I would love to try them out. I can't wait until October :-( Alan Dacey (GrokIt) -- "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." - author unkown Things I grok: 0 From tycho at tycho.ws Fri Aug 8 22:40:06 2008 From: tycho at tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:40:06 -0500 Subject: Amarok quit playing MP3s Message-ID: <49b3a7400808081540m7e9819far179a694d783a094e@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Recently, Amarok has quit playing MP3 files for me. It prompts me with the dialog that says "Amarok currently cannot currently play mp3 files", and then fails to install the required packages (libxine1-ffmpeg). Here's the result when I try to install it myself: tycho at mittens:~$ sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg [sudo] password for tycho: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libxine1-ffmpeg: Depends: libxine1-bin (= 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3) but 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.1 is to be installed E: Broken packages This seems like a Kubuntu packaging error (this all worked fine a few days ago and the only changes I've made are auto updates), although it's very possible that I'm doing something wrong. Suggestions? TIA! Tycho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hensandpat at earthlink.net Sat Aug 9 01:44:23 2008 From: hensandpat at earthlink.net (John Heinen) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:44:23 -0500 Subject: man pages In-Reply-To: <489C63D0.60601@swbell.net> References: <489C4D5D.4080003@gmail.com> <200808081558.01913.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <489C63D0.60601@swbell.net> Message-ID: <489CF677.3080907@earthlink.net> Billie Walsh wrote: > Donn wrote: > >> On Friday, 08 August 2008 15:42:53 Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> >> >>> man files are great, but are a bit old fashioned, and don't serve >>> the user's needs in a graphical environment. >>> >>> >> Try reading them via Konqueror (maybe Dolphin too?) >> Type "man: command" in the address bar. >> >> \d >> > > I hope any programmers here don't take this wrong. You guys do great > stuff at what your best at. BUT, most times programmers aren't the best > at writing up the instructions for the software you write. > > Like "man" pages. They assume a knowledge base that some just don't > have. I know I don't. Most man pages are just gibberish for me. I > haven't a clue what half the stuff they're telling me is, or does. > > The same goes or many of the "wiki" pages that I find. They are written > by people that find it second nature to do what their trying to tell > other what to do. If you don't have the knowledge base necessary it is > nearly impossible to decipher. > > I second JOHN H From art.alexion at verizon.net Sat Aug 9 03:15:00 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:15:00 -0400 Subject: GRUB question. Message-ID: <200808082315.00586.art.alexion@verizon.net> I think it varies bios to bios. --- Original Message --- From:"Neil Winchurst" Sent:Fri 8/8/08 4:07 am To:"Kubuntu Help and User Discussions" Subj:Re: GRUB question. Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > > If your computer is off, it can be a headache to turn it on and sit there > hitting the eject button until it responds, then get the CD in there and close > it in time to boot off of it - especially if you have a fast machine. With an > option in GRUB, you can calmly wait for the CD/DVD drive to respond, place the > CD in at your leisure and let it boot without needing to reboot. > Isn't that what the pause button is for? Switch on the computer, at the first beep hit the pause button. Now the computer will wait for you and the CD/DVD drive will respond. Open the drawer, put in the CD from which you wish to boot and then press the enter key. The computer will now continue and will boot from the CD. Or have I got it all wrong? Neil Winchurst -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From art.alexion at verizon.net Sat Aug 9 03:20:11 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:20:11 -0400 Subject: man pages In-Reply-To: <489C63D0.60601@swbell.net> References: <200808081558.01913.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <489C63D0.60601@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200808082320.11407.art.alexion@verizon.net> On Friday 08 August 2008 11:18:40 Billie Walsh wrote: > Donn wrote: > > On Friday, 08 August 2008 15:42:53 Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> man files are great, but are a bit old fashioned, and don't serve > >> the user's needs in a graphical environment. > > > > Try reading them via Konqueror (maybe Dolphin too?) > > Type "man: command" in the address bar. > > > > \d > > I hope any programmers here don't take this wrong. You guys do great > stuff at what your best at. BUT, most times programmers aren't the best > at writing up the instructions for the software you write. > > Like "man" pages. They assume a knowledge base that some just don't > have. I know I don't. Most man pages are just gibberish for me. I > haven't a clue what half the stuff they're telling me is, or does. > > The same goes or many of the "wiki" pages that I find. They are written > by people that find it second nature to do what their trying to tell > other what to do. If you don't have the knowledge base necessary it is > nearly impossible to decipher. I find the best way of dealing with complex man pages is to print them. man -t | lpr sends a nicely formated and readable page to your default printer. Read and study what you need. Keep as a reference. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From john.j35 at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 03:40:00 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:40:00 -0500 Subject: XDMCP Message-ID: Hello list members! I have followed the instructions on setting up xdmcp on a kubuntu 8.04 box so that I can log in remotely and I receive the error that the connection is not authorized. The instructions make reference to the following line located in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc: KeyFile=/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmkeys I uncommented this line and it still does not work, and there is no file called kdmkeys located in that subdirectory. Do I have to manually create the keys, or are they installed from the package? Thanks in advance for any assistance. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 06:11:36 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 08:11:36 +0200 Subject: quick launcher and konq In-Reply-To: <489C79C5.4030403@gmail.com> References: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> <200808081822.39825.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <489C79C5.4030403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808090811.36394.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Oh, Quicklauncher... Darn. I dunno. Jonas' suggestion of making a new menu entry and adding that one is good. Else try adding applet to Panel (kde 3.x) and choosing the one named "konqueror profiles" Or, Add application to panel (NOT applet). Choose Internet->Konqueror and then you can edit it as mentioned in earlier posts. hth \d From info at alvin.be Sat Aug 9 08:23:01 2008 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:23:01 +0200 Subject: XDMCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808091023.01539.info@alvin.be> On Saturday 09 August 2008 05:40:00 John Pierce wrote: > Hello list members! > > I have followed the instructions on setting up xdmcp on a kubuntu 8.04 > box so that > I can log in remotely and I receive the error that the connection is > not authorized. > > The instructions make reference to the following line located in > /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc: > > KeyFile=/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmkeys > > I uncommented this line and it still does not work, and there is no > file called kdmkeys located > in that subdirectory. > > Do I have to manually create the keys, or are they installed from the > package? What instructions did you follow exactly? What is the output of # ps -ef | grep X -- Alvin From karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Sat Aug 9 08:33:46 2008 From: karl.vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:33:46 +0200 Subject: KDE 4.1. - Laptopkeys In-Reply-To: References: <200808082015.11285.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200808091033.46457.karl.vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Op Friday 08 August 2008 20:33:49 schreef Knapp: > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Karl Vanwynsberghe > > wrote: > > Hey, > > > > I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.1. > > I've noticed that some of my laptop keys, like in- and decreasing volume, > > no longer work since my step to 4.1. > > > > I've tested the Kubuntu daily live cd from today and noticed that it's > > working now. > > > > Does anyone know the difference or where to look? > > > > Thx, Karl > > > > > > Just some info about how i keep my image up to date; > > using rsync... :~$ rsync -vzhP > > rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/*i386.iso > > /home/karl/cdimage/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > What laptop? > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page Laptop: ACER Aspire 1694 WLMI From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 09:33:05 2008 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:33:05 +0300 Subject: slightly OT: Internet weirdities In-Reply-To: <489C5AE9.1832.4F5E22@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> References: <489B7965.8070508@gmail.com> <489BFBCA.2157.3578E1@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> <880dece00808080506l6d56a51dicb489cab3d965da9@mail.gmail.com> <489C5AE9.1832.4F5E22@kubuntu.user.bulkmail.letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <880dece00808090233h2f4d27d1xd21b66120127e1f5@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/8 Jeff : >> Willy posted from a gmail address, so your trace of the IP addresses >> in his header would only lead you back to google's servers. > > Please check your assertions first. > > The relevant section from the headers is: > Received: from ?192.168.0.53? ( [213.254.233.9]) > by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j2sm1257912mue.8.2008.08.07.15.38.42 > (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:38:45 -0700 > (PDT) > > Obviously 192.168.0.53 is the internal address of the PC composing > the message. 212.254.233.9 is the external address from which the > message was sent to mx.google.com using > > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) > > The headers would have been different if the message had been posted > using Gigglemail's web interface in the way that you did. In that > event you correctly describe how they only list the IP Address of the > https server presenting the web page to the user. As I am also in Gmail, I _thought_ that I could not see the original message headers. I have now seen that I _can_ check the headers in Gmail, so I apologize for assuming your inaccuracy. I also happen to know that Willy is not in the UK (or until recently was not) so that is why I assumed that you had read backwards. >> Furthermore, I suspect that you traced in the wrong direction, >> mistaking the destination for the origin, which is why you see you own >> ISP's address at the end. > > I know my IP address, its reverse DNS, and the IP address of my > mailserver, and they are not the ones that I traced! I do not see my > own ISPs address anywhere on that email. I see. I am sorry for making the assumption. >> As for Willy's concern, I also see erratic download speeds from *buntu >> mirrors. I have never made the association with pinging, and figured >> that it was a fault of my ISP. It has never been so bad that's I've >> had to complain. > > If he is using Tiscali, or a reseller thereof, then one only has to > look at http://search.theregister.co.uk/?q=tiscali to get a whole lot > of (bad) news about the company. As for most ISP, I am afraid... I actually paid a bit more for internet access than most people as my area was serviced by a terrific ISP: Actcom. However, a terrible ISP has since bought them and service is declining rapidly. While Actcom was very Linux-friendly, the new ISP (Bezeq Beinleumi) is afraid of the L-word. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 10:27:53 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:27:53 +0200 Subject: SSH troubles Message-ID: To get into my computer from my own computer I need use sudo if I dont' I get this (look down) and if I do I get in but it asked for my password and I thought with public keys this would not happen. How do I make this right?? douglas at frog:~$ ssh douglas at journeytothestars.webhop.net @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ WARNING: POSSIBLE DNS SPOOFING DETECTED! @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ The RSA host key for journeytothestars.webhop.net has changed, and the key for the according IP address 91.51.118.15 is unknown. This could either mean that DNS SPOOFING is happening or the IP address for the host and its host key have changed at the same time. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is a2:c1:1e:3c:b8:4a:a3:f8:bd:1d:8c:b6:00:ad:ea:d6. Please contact your system administrator. Add correct host key in /home/douglas/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. Offending key in /home/douglas/.ssh/known_hosts:4 RSA host key for journeytothestars.webhop.net has changed and you have requested strict checking. Host key verification failed. douglas at frog:~$ sudo ssh douglas at journeytothestars.webhop.net Ubuntu 8.04.1 douglas at journeytothestars.webhop.net's password: . . . welcome all is good etc.. . Also this happens, why?? douglas at frog:~$ ssh douglas at localhost ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host Because I posted this I am closing port 22 so don't expect that to work if you are testing something. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From alain.muls at telenet.be Sat Aug 9 12:05:24 2008 From: alain.muls at telenet.be (Alain Muls) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:05:24 +0200 Subject: KDE v4.1 has printing problems Message-ID: <200808091405.24268.alain.muls@telenet.be> Hi I like the new KDE v4.1 but apparently the printing from KDE applications is not functional. Other applications, such as acrobat and firefox, still print without problem, but it takes ages before a KDE application (okular, konqueror, ...) open up the print dialogue. Any advice Tx/Alain From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 12:19:35 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:19:35 +0300 Subject: virtualbox installation Message-ID: <489D8B57.5010702@gmail.com> the #vbox channel seems to be almost dead. here's my question, i'm new to vbox, i installed virtualbox-ose, now i need the kernel module. so i need virtualbox-ose-modules* , what is the difference between those ending in 386, generic, openvz, rd etc... ? i'm running a 32 bit host BTW and what are virtualbox-ose-guest-modules* used for? thanks in advance -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This could either mean that > DNS SPOOFING is happening or the IP address for the host > and its host key have changed at the same time. I suppose you are a victim of the ssl/ssh vulnerability of May '08. For details look here: Nils From john.j35 at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 12:49:38 2008 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 07:49:38 -0500 Subject: XDMCP In-Reply-To: <200808091023.01539.info@alvin.be> References: <200808091023.01539.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Alvin wrote: > On Saturday 09 August 2008 05:40:00 John Pierce wrote: >> Hello list members! >> >> I have followed the instructions on setting up xdmcp on a kubuntu 8.04 >> box so that >> I can log in remotely and I receive the error that the connection is >> not authorized. >> >> The instructions make reference to the following line located in >> /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc: >> >> KeyFile=/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmkeys >> >> I uncommented this line and it still does not work, and there is no >> file called kdmkeys located >> in that subdirectory. >> >> Do I have to manually create the keys, or are they installed from the >> package? > > What instructions did you follow exactly? > What is the output of # ps -ef | grep X > I found another set of instructions at this address: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=259448 And they have worked, it is now functional. I commented out the reference to the keys file and all started to work. Thanks -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From joantur at cancullet.org Sat Aug 9 16:30:00 2008 From: joantur at cancullet.org (Joan Tur) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:30:00 +0200 Subject: virtualbox installation In-Reply-To: <489D8B57.5010702@gmail.com> References: <489D8B57.5010702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808091830.02731.joantur@cancullet.org> Es Dissabte, 9 de Agost de 2008, en Willy K. Hamra va escriure: | the #vbox channel seems to be almost dead. here's my question, i'm new | to vbox, i installed virtualbox-ose, now i need the kernel module. so i | need virtualbox-ose-modules* , what is the difference between those | ending in 386, generic, openvz, rd etc... ? | i'm running a 32 bit host BTW You have to install the virtualbox-ose-modules package matching your running kernel; run "uname -r", then "aptitude install virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24-20-generic" (or the one matching the info provided by the above "uname -r" command. | and what are virtualbox-ose-guest-modules* used for? | thanks in advance Are you going to run a windows guest? If so, you're not going to need those packages installed. Hope that helps ;) -- Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain Jabber: quini2k at jabber.org www.ClubIbosim.org Linux #190.783 - Ubuntu #15.255 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Sat Aug 9 16:38:34 2008 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (GrokIt) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:38:34 -0400 Subject: virtualbox installation In-Reply-To: <489D8B57.5010702@gmail.com> References: <489D8B57.5010702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808091238.35014.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Saturday 09 August 2008 8:19:35 am Willy K. Hamra wrote: > the #vbox channel seems to be almost dead. here's my question, i'm new > to vbox, i installed virtualbox-ose, now i need the kernel module. so i > need virtualbox-ose-modules* , what is the difference between those > ending in 386, generic, openvz, rd etc... ? > i'm running a 32 bit host BTW > and what are virtualbox-ose-guest-modules* used for? > thanks in advance I'm not a whiz with vbox but I have gotten it up and running so take what I say with a grain of salt :) The packages ending with 386, generic, etc are for the type of computer you have. I'd try the -generic packages to start with, that should work just fine. I believe the way to do it is by installing virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-generic. Just check that the same types in all your packages. Once you have them all working you can pretty much forget about them, unless you want to install it from source from the vbox website. This is a list of packages that should be installed (with the 2.6.24.20 kernel): virtualbox virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24.20-generic virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-generic virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.24.20-generic virtualbox-ose-modules-generic Once you have a new OS up and running you will want to install the vbox additions. This is what the guest modules are for. It lets you resize the window the guest OS is running in to whatever fits on your monitor, allow nearly seamless integration into your desktop by pressing ctrl-L, and let your mouse go in and out of the virtual machine without pressing the right ctrl key. Click on Devices --> Install Guest Additions. It will mount VBoxGuestAdditons.iso. In a windows guest, open My Computer, go to the cd drive and run VBoxGuestAdditions.exe. In a linux guest, open a terminal, cd to the mount point and run this as root "sh -i VBoxLinuxAdditions.run" without the quotes. Have fun! -- "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." - author unkown Things I grok: 0 From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 17:07:11 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:07:11 +0200 Subject: SSH troubles In-Reply-To: <200808091427.52487.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200808091427.52487.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Knapp wrote: >> To get into my computer from my own computer I need use sudo if I >> dont' I get this (look down) and if I do I get in but it asked for my >> password and I thought with public keys this would not happen. How do >> I make this right?? >> >> douglas at frog:~$ ssh douglas at journeytothestars.webhop.net >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> @ WARNING: POSSIBLE DNS SPOOFING DETECTED! @ >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> The RSA host key for journeytothestars.webhop.net has changed, >> and the key for the according IP address 91.51.118.15 >> is unknown. This could either mean that >> DNS SPOOFING is happening or the IP address for the host >> and its host key have changed at the same time. > > I suppose you are a victim of the ssl/ssh vulnerability of May '08. For > details look here: > > > > > > > Nils Looked over that and got this output which looks ok to me. I cut out most of the middle of those long string of hex digits because I was not sure if they are private. I don't think this is the problem. On the other hand why do I have so many of them listed? Something is funky but I am still at a loss as to what. douglas at frog:~/Desktop$ sudo ssh-vulnkey -a [sudo] password for douglas: Not blacklisted: 2048 ea:d6 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub Not blacklisted: 1024 89:73 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub Not blacklisted: 2048 21:c9 /home/douglas/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Not blacklisted: 2048 21:c9 douglas at frog Thanks, -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From teeahr1 at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 18:41:04 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 13:41:04 -0500 Subject: KDE v4.1 has printing problems In-Reply-To: <200808091405.24268.alain.muls@telenet.be> References: <200808091405.24268.alain.muls@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200808091341.04275.teeahr1@gmail.com> On Saturday August 9 2008 07:05:24 Alain Muls wrote: > Hi > > I like the new KDE v4.1 but apparently the printing from KDE applications > is not functional. Other applications, such as acrobat and firefox, still > print without problem, but it takes ages before a KDE application (okular, > konqueror, ...) open up the print dialogue. > > Any advice > Tx/Alain It's b0rken. My system sees my printer (at least it sees its name), but will only "print" to PDF. -p. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 19:24:39 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:24:39 +0300 Subject: virtualbox installation In-Reply-To: <200808091238.35014.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> References: <489D8B57.5010702@gmail.com> <200808091238.35014.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40808091224p5ba1bc87s342bc1aaee5405@mail.gmail.com> thanks Joan and GrokIt for your answers. i never gave any importance to the woed generic in my kernel, i always assumed that the number (2.6.24-20) is enough to describe what kernel i have, apparently there is other kernels. and the guest modules something like vmware tools as far as i understand. vbox looks promising, and i noticed how lighter it is, as someone on the list once mentioned, having some problems with networking, but nothing that can't be solved. thanks -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Aug 9 20:17:08 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:17:08 -0400 Subject: virtualbox installation In-Reply-To: <15edeae40808091224p5ba1bc87s342bc1aaee5405@mail.gmail.com> References: <489D8B57.5010702@gmail.com> <200808091238.35014.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> <15edeae40808091224p5ba1bc87s342bc1aaee5405@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808091617.09081.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 09 August 2008, Willy Hamra wrote: > thanks Joan and GrokIt for your answers. i never gave any importance > to the woed generic in my kernel, i always assumed that the number > (2.6.24-20) is enough to describe what kernel i have, apparently there > is other kernels. > and the guest modules something like vmware tools as far as i understand. > vbox looks promising, and i noticed how lighter it is, as someone on > the list once mentioned, having some problems with networking, but > nothing that can't be solved. > thanks > > -- > Willy K. Hamra > Manager of Hamra Information Systems > Co. Manager of Zeina Computers and Billy Net. One thing that might get you the module you need would be: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup This will create a couple of modules and needs to be run whenever the kernel is changed. (or initially possibly) However, I am running vbox as downloaded from Sun so YMMV. From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 20:57:21 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:57:21 +0200 Subject: Solved: SSH troubles Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Knapp wrote: > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: >> Knapp wrote: >>> To get into my computer from my own computer I need use sudo if I >>> dont' I get this (look down) and if I do I get in but it asked for my >>> password and I thought with public keys this would not happen. How do >>> I make this right?? >>> >>> douglas at frog:~$ ssh douglas at journeytothestars.webhop.net >>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>> @ WARNING: POSSIBLE DNS SPOOFING DETECTED! @ >>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>> The RSA host key for journeytothestars.webhop.net has changed, >>> and the key for the according IP address 91.51.118.15 >>> is unknown. This could either mean that >>> DNS SPOOFING is happening or the IP address for the host >>> and its host key have changed at the same time. >> >> I suppose you are a victim of the ssl/ssh vulnerability of May '08. For >> details look here: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nils > > Looked over that and got this output which looks ok to me. I cut out > most of the middle of those long string of hex digits because I was > not sure if they are private. > I don't think this is the problem. On the other hand why do I have so > many of them listed? Something is funky but I am still at a loss as to > what. > > douglas at frog:~/Desktop$ sudo ssh-vulnkey -a > [sudo] password for douglas: > Not blacklisted: 2048 ea:d6 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub > Not blacklisted: 1024 89:73 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub > Not blacklisted: 2048 21:c9 /home/douglas/.ssh/id_rsa.pub > Not blacklisted: 2048 21:c9 douglas at frog > > Thanks, > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page > Got it working by unistalling SSH and then removing all .ssh and other related files and reinstalling. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 20:58:33 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:58:33 +0200 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH Message-ID: Is there a way to stop the use of sudo from ssh connections? Is there a way to turn this off? I turned off remote use of root but that did not stop it. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From talungtilac at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 21:03:07 2008 From: talungtilac at gmail.com (Talung Tilac) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:03:07 +0100 Subject: messed up my kicker menubar In-Reply-To: <48750D67.6010106@fastmail.fm> References: <48750965.2000708@gmail.com> <48750D67.6010106@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200808092203.07969.talungtilac@gmail.com> On Wednesday 9 July 2008, Karl Klinger wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > > Right, > > somehow I completely messed up my kicker menubar, the one where > > active windows are supposed to be showing... this happened while > > trying something related to Google Desktop. I went to System > > Settings - Window Behaviour - tab Advanced. Ticked the box "Hide > > utility windows for inactive applications". > > > > Bang - got a crash notice I did not think much about until I left > > the place in question and found the menu bar showing no apps > > windows/icons. > > > > No matter what I try and change since then it has absolutely no > > effect whatsoever. Have played around with "dcop kicker kicker > > restart", no change whatsoever. If I add an extra External > > Taskbar it nicely shows the apps in that one... same with a > > KasBar. But I prefer the "running apps" back where I am used > > to.... > > > > Any help appreciated, > > > > Sinclair > > Could it be that the taskbar applet got removed from the panel? > > Karl ------------------------------ I had a similar problem. I renamed the "Kickerrc" file to "Kickerrc.old" and logged out or rebooted (can't remember which) and kde creates a new file that works. File is located below /home/##your home directoryname#/.kde/share/config/Kickerrc rgds TT ----------------------------------- From bbales at cox.net Sat Aug 9 21:04:27 2008 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:04:27 -0500 Subject: set up a root password In-Reply-To: References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808072159.22027.john@nosuitsit.com> Message-ID: <200808091604.27676.bbales@cox.net> On Friday 08 August 2008 02:01:38 Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/8/7 John : > > On Tuesday 05 August 2008 19:16:46 Jerry Gaiser wrote: > >> One of the first things *I* do is give root a password. > > > > Could someone who uses a root account give an actual example of where it > > is advantageous in comparision to using sudo? > > Is it just down to keystrokes or is there another reason. > > > > Just out of curiosity, what does sudo stand for? I have always assumed it > > was from "SuperUser do" but could it be from "Switch User (substitute > > user) do" > > > > John > > According to wikipedia it's "Super user do" and su is "Switch user" or > "Substitute user" > > / Jonas I have run into some situations where sudo doesn't work. One case is trying to look at the result of a mysqlhotcopy. It's in ~/docs/tmp/class. The user is mysql -- and you, as an ordinary user, are denied access. Using sudo, the machine cannot find the cd command. That is where you really need to be root. bruce at blacky:~/docs$ cd /tmp/class bash: cd: /tmp/class: Permission denied bruce at blacky:~/docs$ sudo cd /tmp/class sudo: cd: command not found bruce at blacky:~/docs$ su Password: root at blacky:/home/bruce/docs# cd /tmp/class root at blacky:/tmp/class# ls -l total 304 -rwxr-xr-x 1 mysql mysql 8876 2008-03-18 14:58 1950all.frm -rwxr-xr-x 1 mysql mysql 43856 2008-03-18 14:58 1950all.MYD -rwxr-xr-x 1 mysql mysql 1024 2008-03-18 14:58 1950all.MYI bruce From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Aug 9 21:12:57 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:12:57 -0400 Subject: Solved: SSH troubles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808091712.57735.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: > Got it working by unistalling SSH and then removing all .ssh and other > related files and reinstalling. Don't think you had to do that but what the heck...... Usually that error occurs when you have changed something in the network... for instance installing a new release. All it means is that the data involved no longer matches up. Deleting the 'known_hosts" file from the ~/.ssh directory would most likely have fixed the problem. And then re-gen your key setup. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Aug 9 21:13:47 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:13:47 -0400 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808091713.47730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: > Is there a way to stop the use of sudo from ssh connections? > > Is there a way to turn this off? I turned off remote use of root but > that did not stop it. I guess I'm not sure just what you are asking. From giorgos67 at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 21:27:46 2008 From: giorgos67 at gmail.com (Giorgos Kostopoulos) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:27:46 +0300 Subject: GRUB question. [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489E0BD2.90702@gmail.com> Hi! :-) I followed finally the method that Jonas mentioned, (from there): http://gentoo-wiki.com/GRUB/Chainloaded_CD-ROM although I followed a bit different steps. I boot to DOS and installed SBM an another (FAT) partition. SBM can be configured to autolaunch the CD without delay. (From inside Kubuntu) I made an entry in menu.lst for booting at SBM's partition. This way, since I'm choosing SBM's entry at grub, cd is booting without restart. I know this is not the described at the wiki method, and maybe this is not a correct method at all, but it worked for me. MANY THANKS to all, for your help!!! Giorgos. From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 21:28:38 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:28:38 +0200 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH In-Reply-To: <200808091713.47730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200808091713.47730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: >> Is there a way to stop the use of sudo from ssh connections? >> >> Is there a way to turn this off? I turned off remote use of root but >> that did not stop it. > > I guess I'm not sure just what you are asking. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > If I sign into my computer remotely using SSH, I can then use SUDO to change things in the computer. I would like this SUDO command not to function when used my someone remotely. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From rayburke30 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 9 22:01:21 2008 From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:01:21 +1000 Subject: re dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 Message-ID: Sirs, I am trying to dual boot my current system which is- 1/ Hddo drive c 80gb xp pro sp3 2/ hdd1 drive d 40gb me so I want instructions on how to make my drive d hdd1 40gb Mesystem as replaced with dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 , thus keepingmy xp pro sp3 on Hdd0 drive c, so I can have a dual boot Hdd0 xp pro sp3on drive c 80gb and Ubuntu drive d Hdd1 40gb, can you help,as not sure where I load up the iso disc I made of the Kubuntu/Ubuntu onto whatcurrent systems on either xp pro or Me, and does it pickup that I have twoseperate drives???????????? ray _________________________________________________________________ Shout your Messenger buddies to the movies http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4590 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TonySivori at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 22:15:57 2008 From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:15:57 -0400 Subject: Konqueror is very slow to start Message-ID: After a reboot, Konqueror is very slow to start. Konqueror takes about three minutes to start. This used to happen only sometimes, but after the last Konqueror update it now does it every time. Normal start time for Konqueror is about two seconds. I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE3.5.9) on a P4 2.4 GHz single core with 2 GB of ram. I've tried starting Konqueror from the Konsole, but there are no feedback messages of any kind. All other programs except for Kmail start normally; when Konqueror acts up it does too. I've set Konqueror as the default file manager. I'd like to fix this without a reinstall, or doing anything drastic like deleting .kde or all of my preferences. -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Aug 10 00:06:40 2008 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:06:40 -0400 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH In-Reply-To: References: <200808091713.47730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200808092006.40738.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: > If I sign into my computer remotely using SSH, I can then use SUDO to > change things in the computer. I would like this SUDO command not to > function when used my someone remotely. Ok, you still haven't mentioned who you are logging in with. The 'normal' user who has root privs through sudo, or someone else such as root. From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Sun Aug 10 01:58:54 2008 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:58:54 -0400 Subject: re dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808092158.55122.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Saturday 09 August 2008 6:01:21 pm Ray Burke wrote: > Sirs, > > I am trying to dual boot my current system which is- > 1/ Hddo drive c 80gb xp pro sp3 > 2/ hdd1 drive d 40gb me > so I want instructions on how to make my drive d hdd1 40gb Mesystem as > replaced with dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 , thus keepingmy xp pro > sp3 on Hdd0 drive c, so I can have a dual boot Hdd0 xp pro sp3on drive c > 80gb and Ubuntu drive d Hdd1 40gb, can you help,as not sure where I load up > the iso disc I made of the Kubuntu/Ubuntu onto whatcurrent systems on > either xp pro or Me, and does it pickup that I have twoseperate > drives???????????? ray > _________________________________________________________________ Very easy to do. 1- Hardware Setup BACKUP ANYTHING YOU WANT TO KEEP. Write down exactly how everything is connected, masking tape is useful. Open up your computer and make your ME drive the primary and the XP drive the slave. I am assuming these are IDE drives. If so don't forget to change the jumper pin between the power supply and the ribbon. Reboot your machine to make sure that is back together correctly and the 40 gig drive is primary. If you don't want to do that and have SATA drives, change the boot order in the BIOS to CD, HDD1, HDD0 so that the disk you want to install *buntu on is first. 2-Software setup Take your iso file that you made and burn it *at 4X* as an *image*. If you just do a data copy you will not get a bootable CD but a shiny drink coaster instead. Reboot and install on your 40 gig (newly) primary hard drive. Recomended partition sizes -root (/) - 8 gig at beginning of disk -swap area - 1 gig at end of disk -home (/home) - everything else Linux plays nicely with others, it will recognize other drives. You can even mount your entire XP drive to be seen and worked with in Kubuntu but that takes a little doing (edit fstab). There are other ways to get this done but when you use this method there is no need to edit any files and have it just work. What will happen is that when you start your machine you will go into 'grub'. That is Ubuntu's boot loader and will give you a list of either Ubuntu (Kubuntu shows as as ubuntu) or XP to start up. Post again if you need anything else. -- "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept. If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it." - author unkown Things I grok: 0 From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 03:11:19 2008 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:11:19 +0200 Subject: quick launcher and konq In-Reply-To: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> References: <489C6128.8010902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808100511.19649.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Doc, Did you get that shortcut working? Sorry to have been so hasty in my earlier replies, I was rushed. \d From rayburke30 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 06:59:46 2008 From: rayburke30 at hotmail.com (Ray Burke) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:59:46 +1000 Subject: re dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 In-Reply-To: <200808092158.55122.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> References: <200808092158.55122.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com, Why do I reverse the drives, as I already can dual boot to the Me o/s 40gb, so as to load the cdrom of the iso kubuntu 8.0.4, And I still dont understand the procedures when the kubuntu screen comes up???????? ray > From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: re dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:58:54 -0400> > On Saturday 09 August 2008 6:01:21 pm Ray Burke wrote:> > Sirs,> >> > I am trying to dual boot my current system which is-> > 1/ Hddo drive c 80gb xp pro sp3> > 2/ hdd1 drive d 40gb me> > so I want instructions on how to make my drive d hdd1 40gb Mesystem as> > replaced with dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 , thus keepingmy xp pro> > sp3 on Hdd0 drive c, so I can have a dual boot Hdd0 xp pro sp3on drive c> > 80gb and Ubuntu drive d Hdd1 40gb, can you help,as not sure where I load up> > the iso disc I made of the Kubuntu/Ubuntu onto whatcurrent systems on> > either xp pro or Me, and does it pickup that I have twoseperate> > drives???????????? ray> > _________________________________________________________________> > Very easy to do. > 1- Hardware Setup> BACKUP ANYTHING YOU WANT TO KEEP. Write down exactly how everything is connected, masking tape is > useful. Open up your computer and make your ME drive the primary and the XP drive the slave. I am > assuming these are IDE drives. If so don't forget to change the jumper pin between the power > supply and the ribbon. Reboot your machine to make sure that is back together correctly and the 40 > gig drive is primary. > If you don't want to do that and have SATA drives, change the boot order in the BIOS to CD, HDD1, > HDD0 so that the disk you want to install *buntu on is first.> 2-Software setup> Take your iso file that you made and burn it *at 4X* as an *image*. If you just do a data copy you > will not get a bootable CD but a shiny drink coaster instead. Reboot and install on your 40 gig > (newly) primary hard drive. > Recomended partition sizes > -root (/) - 8 gig at beginning of disk> -swap area - 1 gig at end of disk> -home (/home) - everything else> > Linux plays nicely with others, it will recognize other drives. You can even mount your entire XP > drive to be seen and worked with in Kubuntu but that takes a little doing (edit fstab).> > There are other ways to get this done but when you use this method there is no need to edit any > files and have it just work. What will happen is that when you start your machine you will go > into 'grub'. That is Ubuntu's boot loader and will give you a list of either Ubuntu (Kubuntu shows > as as ubuntu) or XP to start up. Post again if you need anything else.> > > -- > "The second most satisfying thing in life is to totally understand a complicated concept.> If you are very lucky you may attain *the* most satisfying thing in life and actually grok it."> - author unkown> Things I grok: 0> > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users _________________________________________________________________ Shout your Messenger buddies to the movies http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4590 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 07:04:25 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:04:25 +0200 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH In-Reply-To: <200808092006.40738.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200808091713.47730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200808092006.40738.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: >> If I sign into my computer remotely using SSH, I can then use SUDO to >> change things in the computer. I would like this SUDO command not to >> function when used my someone remotely. > > Ok, you still haven't mentioned who you are logging in with. The 'normal' > user who has root privs through sudo, or someone else such as root. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Logging in as a user with sudo privileges an a computer without su. I want the user to have them when local but not when remote. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 07:34:37 2008 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:34:37 +0200 Subject: messed up my kicker menubar In-Reply-To: <200808092203.07969.talungtilac@gmail.com> References: <48750965.2000708@gmail.com> <48750D67.6010106@fastmail.fm> <200808092203.07969.talungtilac@gmail.com> Message-ID: <489E9A0D.1070803@gmail.com> Talung Tilac wrote: > On Wednesday 9 July 2008, Karl Klinger wrote: >> O. Sinclair wrote: >>> Right, >>> somehow I completely messed up my kicker menubar, the one where >>> active windows are supposed to be showing... this happened while >>> trying something related to Google Desktop. I went to System >>> Settings - Window Behaviour - tab Advanced. Ticked the box "Hide >>> utility windows for inactive applications". >>> >>> Bang - got a crash notice I did not think much about until I left >>> the place in question and found the menu bar showing no apps >>> windows/icons. >>> >>> No matter what I try and change since then it has absolutely no >>> effect whatsoever. Have played around with "dcop kicker kicker >>> restart", no change whatsoever. If I add an extra External >>> Taskbar it nicely shows the apps in that one... same with a >>> KasBar. But I prefer the "running apps" back where I am used >>> to.... >>> >>> Any help appreciated, >>> >>> Sinclair >> Could it be that the taskbar applet got removed from the panel? >> >> Karl > ------------------------------ > > I had a similar problem. > I renamed the "Kickerrc" file to "Kickerrc.old" and logged out or > rebooted (can't remember which) > and kde creates a new file that works. > File is located below > /home/##your home directoryname#/.kde/share/config/Kickerrc > > rgds TT > ----------------------------------- > In my case it was the Taskbar Applet that was removed by my messing around. HOW/WHY is a different story but I had to do was put it back. Sinclair From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 11:33:08 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:33:08 +0200 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH In-Reply-To: References: <200808091713.47730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200808092006.40738.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/10 Knapp : > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: >>> If I sign into my computer remotely using SSH, I can then use SUDO to >>> change things in the computer. I would like this SUDO command not to >>> function when used my someone remotely. >> >> Ok, you still haven't mentioned who you are logging in with. The 'normal' >> user who has root privs through sudo, or someone else such as root. >> > Logging in as a user with sudo privileges an a computer without su. > I want the user to have them when local but not when remote. > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp I always do i new group, sshlogin and adding "AllowGroups sshlogin" to /etc/ssh/sshd_config then i put the user allowed to login with ssh to that group. If i remember right you can deny commands run by sudo in /etc/sudoers with something like this: %sshlogin ALL=(ALL) !/usr/bin/sudo. I have no idea if it works or there exist a better way. Wait i see now that that will probably deny them using sudo locally to. The ALL in above example is the machines this is valid for, perhaps it's possible to do like this %sshlogin !localhost=(ALL) !/usr/bin/sudo. / Jonas From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 11:42:10 2008 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:42:10 +0200 Subject: re dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 In-Reply-To: <200808092158.55122.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> References: <200808092158.55122.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: 2008/8/10 Alan : > On Saturday 09 August 2008 6:01:21 pm Ray Burke wrote: >> Sirs, >> >> I am trying to dual boot my current system which is- >> 1/ Hddo drive c 80gb xp pro sp3 >> 2/ hdd1 drive d 40gb me >> so I want instructions on how to make my drive d hdd1 40gb Mesystem as >> replaced with dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 , thus keepingmy xp pro >> sp3 on Hdd0 drive c, so I can have a dual boot Hdd0 xp pro sp3on drive c >> 80gb and Ubuntu drive d Hdd1 40gb, can you help,as not sure where I load up >> the iso disc I made of the Kubuntu/Ubuntu onto whatcurrent systems on >> either xp pro or Me, and does it pickup that I have twoseperate >> drives???????????? ray >> _________________________________________________________________ > > Very easy to do. > 1- Hardware Setup > BACKUP ANYTHING YOU WANT TO KEEP. Write down exactly how everything is connected, masking tape is > useful. Open up your computer and make your ME drive the primary and the XP drive the slave. I am > assuming these are IDE drives. If so don't forget to change the jumper pin between the power > supply and the ribbon. Reboot your machine to make sure that is back together correctly and the 40 > gig drive is primary. > If you don't want to do that and have SATA drives, change the boot order in the BIOS to CD, HDD1, > HDD0 so that the disk you want to install *buntu on is first. If you do this im sure windows will not boot as will not fint the NT loader and you must change the entries in boot.ini and after that your C: partition will now be D: or something else and that will mess up all referense in the register and shortcuts. Thats is just asking for trouble. Let the drives be as they are and install Ubuntu on your D: drive that is not a problem for the Ubuntu or the install program. / Jonas From art.alexion at verizon.net Sun Aug 10 12:06:07 2008 From: art.alexion at verizon.net (Art Alexion) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:06:07 -0400 Subject: kmail links & firefox Message-ID: <200808100806.08152.art.alexion@verizon.net> In the KDE control settings, I have web browsing set to firefox. This works in the sense of loading the result in firefox when I click a URL in kmail, but it loads a local tmp version of the page with local links. Is there a way to fix this? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Aug 10 13:18:32 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:18:32 -0300 Subject: re dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 References: <200808092158.55122.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <4422300.jjz6da3bEP@cedar.serverforest.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/8/10 Alan : >> On Saturday 09 August 2008 6:01:21 pm Ray Burke wrote: >>> Sirs, >>> >>> I am trying to dual boot my current system which is- >>> 1/ Hddo drive c 80gb xp pro sp3 >>> 2/ hdd1 drive d 40gb me >>> so I want instructions on how to make my drive d hdd1 40gb Mesystem as >>> replaced with dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 , thus keepingmy xp >>> pro sp3 on Hdd0 drive c, so I can have a dual boot Hdd0 xp pro sp3on >>> drive c 80gb and Ubuntu drive d Hdd1 40gb, can you help,as not sure >>> where I load up the iso disc I made of the Kubuntu/Ubuntu onto >>> whatcurrent systems on either xp pro or Me, and does it pickup that I >>> have twoseperate drives???????????? ray >>> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> Very easy to do. >> 1- Hardware Setup >> BACKUP ANYTHING YOU WANT TO KEEP. Write down exactly how everything is >> connected, masking tape is >> useful. Open up your computer and make your ME drive the primary and the >> XP drive the slave. I am >> assuming these are IDE drives. If so don't forget to change the jumper >> pin between the power >> supply and the ribbon. Reboot your machine to make sure that is back >> together correctly and the 40 gig drive is primary. >> If you don't want to do that and have SATA drives, change the boot order >> in the BIOS to CD, HDD1, HDD0 so that the disk you want to install *buntu >> on is first. > > If you do this im sure windows will not boot as will not fint the NT > loader and you must change the entries in boot.ini and after that your > C: partition will now be D: or something else and that will mess up > all referense in the register and shortcuts. Thats is just asking for > trouble. Let the drives be as they are and install Ubuntu on your D: > drive that is not a problem for the Ubuntu or the install program. Not at all a problem. If you want Windows on a second drive or any partition at all, you can just use the grub "map" command to move it around. However, I think it's a safe bet that if your primary drive doesn't have windows, and you boot from a secondary drive, the boot drive is _still_ always going to be C: as far as Windows cares. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Aug 10 13:26:45 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:26:45 -0300 Subject: set up a root password References: <9380203.CtfoeMoOqY@cedar.serverforest.com> <200808072159.22027.john@nosuitsit.com> <200808091604.27676.bbales@cox.net> Message-ID: <6645439.Ko3H4qzE93@cedar.serverforest.com> Bruce Bales wrote: > Using > sudo, the machine cannot find the cd command. That is where you really > need to be root. > > bruce at blacky:~/docs$ cd /tmp/class > bash: cd: /tmp/class: Permission denied > bruce at blacky:~/docs$ sudo cd /tmp/class > sudo: cd: command not found > bruce at blacky:~/docs$ su > Except that still has no need for "su": derek at bella:~$ cd /tmp/hsperfdata_tomcat55/ bash: cd: /tmp/hsperfdata_tomcat55/: Permission denied derek at bella:~$ sudo cd /tmp/hsperfdata_tomcat55/ sudo: cd: command not found derek at bella:~$ sudo -i bella: ~/ # cd /tmp/hsperfdata_tomcat55/ bella: /tmp/hsperfdata_tomcat55/ # -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Aug 10 13:29:50 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:29:50 -0300 Subject: Solved: SSH troubles References: <200808091712.57735.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <101555081.VB3beGH7eC@cedar.serverforest.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: >> Got it working by unistalling SSH and then removing all .ssh and other >> related files and reinstalling. > > Don't think you had to do that but what the heck...... Agree (including the "what the heck" :-) ) > Usually that error occurs when you have changed something in the > network... for instance installing a new release. > > All it means is that the data involved no longer matches up. Or he installed the fix for the ssh vulnerability, which iirc invalidated all the host keys. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Aug 10 13:20:56 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:20:56 -0300 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH References: <200808091713.47730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <2520506.Wptyb4SlCK@cedar.serverforest.com> Knapp wrote: > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: >>> Is there a way to stop the use of sudo from ssh connections? >>> >>> Is there a way to turn this off? I turned off remote use of root but >>> that did not stop it. >> >> I guess I'm not sure just what you are asking. > If I sign into my computer remotely using SSH, I can then use SUDO to > change things in the computer. I would like this SUDO command not to > function when used my someone remotely. Then don't permit SSH access to any user with sudo permission. -- derek From news at pointerstop.ca Sun Aug 10 13:21:37 2008 From: news at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:21:37 -0300 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH References: <200808091713.47730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <200808092006.40738.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <1467409.GoTHsvgKlO@cedar.serverforest.com> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: >> If I sign into my computer remotely using SSH, I can then use SUDO to >> change things in the computer. I would like this SUDO command not to >> function when used my someone remotely. > > Ok, you still haven't mentioned who you are logging in with. The 'normal' > user who has root privs through sudo, or someone else such as root. Sure he did. He said he's disallowed root ssh access. It's a normal user with sudo privilege. -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Aug 10 14:05:28 2008 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:05:28 -0500 Subject: re dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 In-Reply-To: References: <200808092158.55122.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <489EF5A8.90303@swbell.net> On Saturday 09 August 2008 6:01:21 pm Ray Burke wrote: > > >> Sirs, > > >> > > >> I am trying to dual boot my current system which is- > > >> 1/ Hddo drive c 80gb xp pro sp3 > > >> 2/ hdd1 drive d 40gb me > > >> so I want instructions on how to make my drive d hdd1 40gb Mesystem as > > >> replaced with dual boot Kubuntu 8.0.4/Ubuntu 8.0.4 , thus keepingmy xp pro > > >> sp3 on Hdd0 drive c, so I can have a dual boot Hdd0 xp pro sp3on drive c > > >> 80gb and Ubuntu drive d Hdd1 40gb, can you help,as not sure where I load up > > >> the iso disc I made of the Kubuntu/Ubuntu onto whatcurrent systems on > > >> either xp pro or Me, and does it pickup that I have twoseperate > > >> drives???????????? ray If I remember correctly there is an "Advanced" button when it comes time to tell Kubuntu where to install. The installer will give it's suggestion to resize one, or both, drives but click on the advanced button. When the next page opens just tell it to use all of HDD1. Finish up with th4e installation. Done. -- Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 15:58:25 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:58:25 +0200 Subject: Solved: SSH troubles In-Reply-To: <101555081.VB3beGH7eC@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808091712.57735.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <101555081.VB3beGH7eC@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Bruce Marshall wrote: > >> On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: >>> Got it working by unistalling SSH and then removing all .ssh and other >>> related files and reinstalling. >> >> Don't think you had to do that but what the heck...... > > Agree (including the "what the heck" :-) ) > >> Usually that error occurs when you have changed something in the >> network... for instance installing a new release. >> >> All it means is that the data involved no longer matches up. > > Or he installed the fix for the ssh vulnerability, which iirc invalidated > all the host keys. > -- > derek All I can add to this is that my computer is almost always up to date with the updates of all kinds. -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 16:13:45 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:13:45 +0200 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH In-Reply-To: <2520506.Wptyb4SlCK@cedar.serverforest.com> References: <200808091713.47730.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <2520506.Wptyb4SlCK@cedar.serverforest.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Knapp wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: >>>> Is there a way to stop the use of sudo from ssh connections? >>>> >>>> Is there a way to turn this off? I turned off remote use of root but >>>> that did not stop it. >>> >>> I guess I'm not sure just what you are asking. > >> If I sign into my computer remotely using SSH, I can then use SUDO to >> change things in the computer. I would like this SUDO command not to >> function when used my someone remotely. > > Then don't permit SSH access to any user with sudo permission. > -- > derek Thanks guys, now I see the answer. Make a new user for each remote user and limit the heck out of it. All other normal users are not allowed to use SSH. But wait a minute, then you can't get at your personal info. :-( There must be an easy way. After the SSH mess I really don't want remote users to have su or sudo access. Maybe I am to paranoid but my firewall reports at least 3 ssh attempts per day and my web site does not even get that many hits. Thanks for the ideas!! -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 16:20:51 2008 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:20:51 +0200 Subject: NBC will not play video for linux!! Time for a lettering? Message-ID: http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/share.html?videoid=0810_hd_swb_hl_l1626r1 -- Douglas E Knapp http://sf-journey-creations.wikispot.org/Front_Page From sgrace at pobox.com Sun Aug 10 17:05:02 2008 From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steve Grace) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:05:02 -0700 Subject: NBC will not play video for linux!! Time for a lettering? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1218387902.6823.0.camel@midnight> On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 18:20 +0200, Knapp wrote: > http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/share.html?videoid=0810_hd_swb_hl_l1626r1 Did you notice that it's a Microsoft page? :-) From pandarsson at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 17:08:25 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:08:25 -0500 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH In-Reply-To: References: <200808092006.40738.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200808101208.26022.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Sunday 10 August 2008 2:04:25 am Knapp wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: > >> If I sign into my computer remotely using SSH, I can then use SUDO to > >> change things in the computer. I would like this SUDO command not to > >> function when used my someone remotely. > > > > Ok, you still haven't mentioned who you are logging in with. The > > 'normal' user who has root privs through sudo, or someone else such as > > root. > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Logging in as a user with sudo privileges an a computer without su. > I want the user to have them when local but not when remote. Now, I'm not as familiar with ssh as I should be, but I'm wondering if you could set it up to where only certain users could log in. That way, you could create new users that can only run programs from a certain directory. Then you would maybe make symbolic links to everything in /usr/bin and /bin (and wherever else you might have programs you'd want to link there) in that directory and remove the links for sudo and su. But it all depends on if you can blacklist some users from logging in through ssh. From pandarsson at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 17:11:54 2008 From: pandarsson at yahoo.com (Constantinos Maltezos) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:11:54 -0500 Subject: remote SUDO with SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808101211.54914.pandarsson@yahoo.com> On Sunday 10 August 2008 6:33:08 am Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2008/8/10 Knapp : > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > >> On Saturday 09 August 2008, Knapp wrote: > >>> If I sign into my computer remotely using SSH, I can then use SUDO to > >>> change things in the computer. I would like this SUDO command not to > >>> function when used my someone remotely. > >> > >> Ok, you still haven't mentioned who you are logging in with. The > >> 'normal' user who has root privs through sudo, or someone else such as > >> root. > > > > Logging in as a user with sudo privileges an a computer without su. > > I want the user to have them when local but not when remote. > > > > > > -- > > Douglas E Knapp > > I always do i new group, sshlogin and adding "AllowGroups sshlogin" to > /etc/ssh/sshd_config then i put the user allowed to login with ssh to > that group. If i remember right you can deny commands run by sudo in > /etc/sudoers with something like this: %sshlogin ALL=(ALL) > !/usr/bin/sudo. > I have no idea if it works or there exist a better way. > > Wait i see now that that will probably deny them using sudo locally > to. The ALL in above example is the machines this is valid for, > perhaps it's possible to do like this %sshlogin !localhost=(ALL) > !/usr/bin/sudo. > > / Jonas Never mind my answer. This one's much better. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 17:17:58 2008 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:17:58 +0000 Subject: NBC will not play video for linux!! Time for a lettering? In-Reply-To: <1218387902.6823.0.camel@midnight> References: <1218387902.6823.0.camel@midnight> Message-ID: <15edeae40808101017h77cdc038l7b449dd3ff9b83d4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/10 Steve Grace