G'day Keith, Engin are not without problems/gotchas/just-plain-old-bloody-mindedness from some of the reports. See .... <http://voip.wikispaces.com/EnginVoiceBoxes?token=cd6ce3b23f2a971ffcb983ad93ca7d88> You are spot-on, the longer we wait for things to level out, the better we can expect. CU Glen PS. Remember, it is illegal to ask an abo for a urine sample.