Roman, Thanks for the screenshot. I do not think the Kubuntu icon looks good at small sizes, and therefor I do not think it can easily be made to look good for the K button. I think this is because at small sizes, the small gears look like blurred snowflakes, which makes the icon difficult to distinguish at small sizes. In this case Roman has added an outer glow to the logo to increase contrast around the edges of the logo. I feel strongly that outer glow should be used in moderation, and in this case I do not think it compliments the polished look of the AIR or Oxygen desktop themes. I will suggest (although off-topic) using a logo that <a href="http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Logo+Mock-Up?content=110532">does not use the gears</a> in such a small instance. Of course, I think this wouldn't fly as it is not the official logo. However, I think a modified version of the original logo would be much more distinguishable as a K button, similar to the polished look of the gnome's <a href="http://linux.avasys.jp/customerservice/images/pips3x_ubuntu804_04_e.png">Ubuntu button</a>. (Notice the small drop-shadow used in the Ubuntu screenshot and no outer glow). -Tres -- - <a href="mailto:Tres.Finocchiaro@gmail.com">Tres.Finocchiaro@gmail.com</a>