Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test

Marco A Parillo maparillo at gmail.com
Mon Jul 3 01:24:02 UTC 2017


I was hoping a developer would answer this, but I think so long as the 32-bit libraries are available, the 32-bit apps can still run on 64-bit operating systems.

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> On Jul 1, 2017, at 9:29 AM, dennis knorr <dennis.knorr at gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> There is an f)
> f) 32-Bit-3rd-party-Applications depend on kubuntu 32bit and might be
> important in some enterprise environment.
> 
> If you do this, from a release engineering standpoint you should
> announce it an release cycle earlier and not break it in the current one
> without telling users beforehand... Otherwise people will not have the
> ability to switch if it breaks their usecase.
> 
> And if there's not the test coverage.. the people who will need your
> platform WILL test it, if/when they want to migrate to the next platform.
> 
> jm2c,
> Dennis
> 
>> Am 01.07.2017 um 14:28 schrieb Ferry Toth:
>> Op Fri, 30 Jun 2017 20:05:39 -0400, schreef Aaron Honeycutt:
>> 
>>> It's not a measure of users, we can't reason something if we don't get
>>> enough testers to confirm the quality of the software.
>> 
>> I get that.
>> 
>> However, quoting Valori: "Nor do I have the time to personally
>> do the testing for a build I do not and probably never will use."
>> 
>> This should raise the question: why build something for a certain 
>> platform:
>> a) because we can
>> b) because we want to use it our self
>> c) because there are testers available
>> d) because there are a significant amount of existing users
>> e) because there are a significant amount of potential new users
>> 
>> Speaking for my self as a developer I am driven often by a) and b), 
>> however being a business man as well, I find d) and e) the only drivers 
>> sustainable on the long run. In some exceptional cases a) leads to e), 
>> those are the ones that make me happy to be an engineer. 
>> 
>> But c).. is not a goal, nor a driver. Not having enough testers is a 
>> problem, and problems need to be solved.
>> 
>> To me, I would like to help testing. But I don't want to break my 
>> production systems. Testing inside a virtual machine is not very useful 
>> except maybe for installers, as then everybody tests on the same platform.
>> 
>> Maybe what we need is a test plan, and possibly test automation, like a 
>> instrumented live iso. If that could select tests based on the platform 
>> to get maximum test coverage without unnecessarily duplicating already 
>> tested cases, I'm sure more people would participate.
>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2017 7:17 PM, "Ferry Toth" <ftoth at exalondelft.nl> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Op Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:55:42 -0400, schreef Clay Weber:
>>>> 
>>>>> The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of
>>>>> response here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a
>>>>> rather tiny group. One that is likely shrinking even more.
>>>> 
>>>> My mother uses i386. But she doesn't read this list. And I doubt she
>>>> would be able to help testing or write bug reports. She is 76 years
>>>> old.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't thing lack of testers or bug reports is a good measure for lack
>>>> of users. There must be a better way, like counting downloads of a
>>>> specific package (i386 vs ams64).
>>>> 
>>>> Don't forget kubuntu is likely to be installed on older machines as a
>>>> replacement of WinXP and many are i386.
>>>> 
>>>>> The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps
>>>>> dropping support now may  be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun
>>>>> 29, 2017 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes:
>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please report test results here:
>>>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I
>>>>>> think we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we
>>>>>> get no questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain
>>>>>> to support.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there any reason to keep it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Valorie
>>>>>> 
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>>> <div dir="auto">It's not a measure of users, we can't reason
>>> something if we don't get enough testers to confirm the quality of
>>> the software.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div
>>> class="gmail_quote">On Jun 30, 2017 7:17 PM, "Ferry Toth"
>>> <<a href="mailto:ftoth at exalondelft.nl">ftoth at exalondelft.nl</a>>
>>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote"
>>> style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Op
>>> Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:55:42 -0400, schreef Clay Weber:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> > The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of
>>> response<br>
>>> > here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather
>>> tiny<br>
>>> > group. One that is likely shrinking even more.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> My mother uses i386. But she doesn't read this list. And I doubt
>>> she<br>
>>> would be able to help testing or write bug reports. She is 76 years
>>> old.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I don't thing lack of testers or bug reports is a good measure for
>>> lack<br>
>>> of users. There must be a better way, like counting downloads of a<br>
>>> specific package (i386 vs ams64).<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Don't forget kubuntu is likely to be installed on older machines as
>>> a<br>
>>> replacement of WinXP and many are i386.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> > The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either.
>>> Perhaps<br>
>>> > dropping support now may  be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun
>>> 29,<br>
>>> > 2017 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman <<a
>>> href="mailto:valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com">valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com</
>> a>>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes:<br>
>>> >> <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu"
>>> rel="noreferrer"
>>> target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/<wbr>ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/
>> Kubuntu</a><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Please report test results here:<br>
>>> >> <a
>>> href="http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds"
>>> rel="noreferrer"
>>> target="_blank">http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/<wbr>qatracker/milestones/378/
>> <wbr>builds</a><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test
>>> cases, I think<br>
>>> >> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we
>>> get no<br>
>>> >> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain
>>> to<br>
>>> >> support.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Is there any reason to keep it?<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Valorie<br>
>>> >><br>
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>>> target="_blank">http://about.me/valoriez</a><br>
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