Change the default settings of Kubuntu to improve the first time user experience

Wed Jan 23 14:51:10 UTC 2013

Even if, we can make a Browser choice page which will be the first one
opened in rekonq or add Browser choice to installer.
23 sty 2013 15:45, "Rohan Garg" <rohan16garg at gmail.com> napisał(a):

> Hi
>
> Please not that we cannot ship some multimedia things like libav due
> to patent issues as a result of which apps like vlc cannot be shipped
> ( and by extension, same thing goes for chromium though I am not
> entirely sure about that, maybe someone can offer a better explanation
> of why we can't ship chromium as the default ).
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> > -change the default /home folder icons (music, doc, etc)
>
> Please propose these upstream (  kde-devel at kde.org should suffice,
> unless someone proposes a better list ), I can't think of a reason as
> to why this should be in Kubuntu and not in KDE itself.
>
>  -add avatar and
> > wifi connecting support to installer
> Oh yes, this would be really cool to have, who wants to volunteer? :D
>
>  -add KDEWEB accounts, run it on the
> > first kubuntu start after installation
>
> I'd like to hear Alex Fiesta's as well as other Kubuntu Developers
> opinions on this, there is also no release of WebAccounts at the
> moment, so we should keep that in mind.
>
> I also think that it shouldn't be run when the desktop starts because
> you want to start working straightaway, but that's just me.
>
> > -add notification-helper for kipi plugins (first gwenview start)
>
> Probably should be added to the list of packages the
> kubuntu-notification-helper asks the user to install when it starts up
>
> > - add default wallpaper package or atleast a
> > few cool ones
>
> We do ship the default wallpaper we get from KDE, Elarun for Raring,
> Ariya for Quantal
>
> > -improve lightdm default them: move system buttons to center,
> > use monochromatic icons, 48x48
>
> Please send mockups and code to David Edmundson :)
> He's d_ed on Freenode, channel : #kde-lightdm
>
>
> > -switch to chrome/chromium. All new to
> > kubuntu people ask about chrome/firefox. It's best browser anyway ;)
>
> Firefox doesn't really have good KDE integration by default which is
> why we've rejected it in earlier releases ( Plasma Download
> notifications, File Dialogs, Button placement, etc etc)
>
> As for Chromium, see the first couple of lines of this reply.
>
> > -finally fix or remove the sharing KCM form systemsetings. Why is this
> thing
> > stuck for so long?! -make user configuration USER FRIENDLY! Let it be a
> KCM
> > not a standalone app. This sucks ;)
>
> Alex Fiestas is working on this, though I haven't seen a screenshot or
> anything :)
>
> Not to mention user management is currently broken in Raring due to
> python3 migration. We are coming up with better alternatives and will
> probably decide once Alex shows us his new user management KCM.
>
> www.launchpad.net/~rohangarg
>
> >
> > 23 sty 2013 02:33, "AG Alex" <alex at alexgrafic.it> napisał(a):
> >>
> >> Hi everyone, I'm a new member with few years of experience using
> >> Kubuntu..., please be patient with my English, I'm still working on
> it....
> >> I'm writing to talk about Users First Experience improvement in Kubuntu,
> >> which is not the best we can do at moment especially for First Time
> Users,
> >> in my opinion of course.
> >>
> >> The current default configuration of Kubuntu (until 12.10) seems to be
> >> targeting just experienced users, which once installed a new system
> doesn't
> >> have any problem to build its own environment around its needs, but they
> >> wouldn't have any problem to do it even with a much more full
> functionality
> >> default configuration, while for a new user of Kubuntu it will be
> impossible
> >> even to simply imagine the powerful of the KDE environment with current
> >> default settings.
> >>
> >> So why don't we change the target of the default settings to aim the
> >> Newbbie needs instead of experienced users, they can anyway customize
> and
> >> set up everything they need in few steps. I mean, a bit of "sacrifice"
> for
> >> experienced user could become something really helpful for New Users.
> >> Even much better of course would be to gives, if possible, a choice
> during
> >> the installation process to set the Environment in few different ways,
> one
> >> could be"Minimal Basic Functionality" (for experienced Users), other
> could
> >> be "Fully Functionality Mode" (to show the real power of KDE) , other
> again
> >> could be a kind of "Learning Mode" where in my opinion Activities can
> become
> >> very helpful, and so on.....
> >> But I'm not a developer and maybe it's impossible to do it, or maybe it
> >> will be possible just having a much more centralized configuration
> system,
> >> where would be really nice to have a set of tools to export and share
> any
> >> aspect of any single part of of the DE configuration (but maybe in other
> >> post we can talk about it).
> >>
> >>
> >> Talking about New Default Settings optimized for first time Users,
> >> involves of course few different aspects like default packages
> installed,
> >> default desktop environment include plasma and plasmoids, and than
> default
> >> activities where to show many different aspect of KDE functionality
> combined
> >> with the best applications of Kubuntu repositories.
> >>
> >> Default Packages:
> >> In my opinion there are few change to do on default installed packages,
> >> simply because some application are not ready yet to be used, or in some
> >> other case, very useful tool are not installed by default.
> >>
> >> Applications:
> >>
> >> Rekonq, is not ready yet and I cannot see any good reason to use a "not
> >> ready yet software" as a default application, especially because we are
> >> talking about the Default Tool to Access the Web, which is a 90% daily
> use
> >> of computer for most of the people out there.
> >> I know, there is an installer launcher of Firefox and it's really simple
> >> to use, but in my opinion after hours of installation in some case, is
> >> really disarming do another installation and write password , simply to
> >> surfing the web in a  reasonable way, isn't ? I mean, there are few
> great
> >> software out there, are open source, stable, powerful, already on
> >> repository, every day more used......, why don't use one of it by
> default.
> >> Are we sure the best solution is to propose a not ready yet software to
> do
> >> the job ?, even because in my case it means to have any link clicked in
> >> Thunderbird opened in Rekonq , even if I change the default browser on
> >> system settings to use chromium (it seems to works just if is already
> >> opened).
> >>
> >> Dragon Player, is a good player but maybe there are some other great
> >> software like vlc already in repositories, which can gives to the users
> a
> >> much more complete and powerful solution to play with multimedia
> contents,
> >> and I'm pretty sure vlc is one of the first installation "extra" once
> >> complete the Kubuntu one, for many users.
> >>
> >> Talking about Utility, there are few nice utility right on the
> repository
> >> that could be installed by default, and for utility like Ksnapshot
> already
> >> installed would be much better to use a launcher on some panel, where
> would
> >> be nice as well to have some software to screencast the desktop, or even
> >> nice tools and some time essentials (depending on your job type), like
> >> Kruler, KcolorChooser, KCharSelect and so on..... I mean they are really
> >> small and so essential tools in some cases that really makes the
> difference.
> >>
> >> We want talk about Yakuake ?, I think there isn't better way to always
> >> have as much konsole instances as you need in a practice and nice way,
> and
> >> for new people, would be the easiest way possible to access the konsole
> when
> >> asking support on IRC and someone of us will say "..ok just pass those
> >> commands on the konsole.." just pressing F12 in the default Yakuake
> >> installation.
> >>
> >> Plasmoids:
> >>
> >> There are many good and useful plasmoids on repository, which can be
> very
> >> handy to gives a much more complete idea of what actually can be done in
> >> Plasma. Just to mention few of them Quick Access should be much more
> used on
> >> default desktop in my opinion, pointing for example on Document, Images,
> >> Videos, Music and Download folders, using few instances of it. Another
> >> interesting plasmoid to show could be translatoid , which is a really
> useful
> >> tool when multilanguage contents is your daily works. A calcuator, a
> >> converter, and everything can gives a better ideas about what can be
> done in
> >> plasma in a quick and easy way.
> >>
> >> Activities:
> >>
> >> Actitivities presets should be based only on application already
> installed
> >> by default, and to have some basic example of content in some cases can
> be
> >> much more comfortable to immediately understand the purpose of an
> activity.
> >> Activities presets with example contents, can be used as well for a kind
> >> of teaching purpose, well I guess some basic note or even few html
> pages to
> >> explain something visualized in plasmoids like Web Browser, next to the
> >> applications you want to teach opened with example already loaded,
> would be
> >> easier for anyone willing to learn any kind of knowledge.
> >>
> >>  Functionality:
> >>
> >> I fill really comfortable with some "extra functionality" enabled like
> >> rolling up and down a window just within the mouse wheel, can be very
> useful
> >> if you used to work with a lot of opened tasks. Talking about buttons
> on the
> >> window decorations I use a lot the button to "keep Above Others", and
> I'm
> >> quite sure most of the new user not even knows it can be done, instead
> once
> >> is there it's really easy to understand how and when to use it.
> >> Another fancy and some time useful features that can be enabled by
> default
> >> is the ability to change the transparency of a window just pressing ALT
> and
> >> rolling the mouse wheel.
> >>
> >> I guess a second panel on the top of the screen can do most of the job
> I'm
> >> talking about if well equipped with plasmoid and applications launcher,
> and
> >> would be very easy to remove for the people don't like or don't need
> it, you
> >> don't think so ?.
> >> And if using Activities even the top panel (with plasmoids and launcher)
> >> could be combined with opened applications and desktop plasmoids for any
> >> Activities , would even be funny to create Activities to do tasks
> complete
> >> of documentation, example and so on....., nicely managed with plasmoids
> in a
> >> kind of "tematic top panel".
> >>
> >> To gives you an idea about how I'm used to work in Kubuntu, here an
> >> example of my current desktop , which maybe is to much customized
> respect
> >> the default one, but maybe something in between could be the right
> solution
> >> for the default configuration of Kubuntu.
> >>
> >> Well, I think to be my first post on this mailing list I already wrote
> too
> >> much, but hopefully I could make you understand why I consider so
> important
> >> the first impact arriving on a completely new Operating System,
> especially
> >> if the system we are talking about has a lot of great and useful
> features to
> >> be showed.
> >> I hope so because the current default settings of Kubuntu does not
> express
> >> so much of the KDE + Ubuntu combination potentiality, like instead
> should be
> >> in my opinion.
> >>
> >> I hope I haven't bored you, and that do you agree with some of my idea
> to
> >> improve the first Kubuntu experience, and if so , we can talk about it
> as
> >> deeply as we needs.
> >>
> >> Thanks for reading me, and much more for the amazing work you always did
> >> keeping Kubuntu alive....
> >>
> >> Alex
> >>
> >>
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