Kubuntu is not for beginners?
valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com
Mon Aug 5 07:20:47 UTC 2013
I know this is rather old, but I missed it when it was fresh. Replies
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 07:48:48 PM Steve Riley wrote:
>> On 2013-07-17 22:38:50 Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 06:44:23 PM Steve Riley wrote:
>> > > On 2013-07-17 20:38:33 Clay Weber <clay at claydoh.com> wrote:
>> > > > On Thursday, July 18, 2013 02:22:33 AM Volkan Gezer wrote:
>> > > > > Do you know what the reason of not being in Beginner category for
>> > > > > Kubuntu
>> > > > > is?
>> > > >
>> > > > Are we *supposed* to be a beginner distro?
>> > >
>> > > I hope not. The world has enough "beginner" distros. Face it: Linux in
>> > > general will not appear to the typical beginner audience, frequently
>> > > characterized as one's grandmother or elderly parent. Many of us want a
>> > > reasonably advanced and sophisticated distro that we can bend to our
>> > > will
>> > > without having to completely to Arch or Gentoo. Kubuntu fills this role
>> > > nicely, IMHO.
>> > I'm really not sure what this entire discussion is about. We want Kubuntu
>> > to be as widely useful as we can manage and that means making it easy for
>> > people that are new. "For beginners" is mostly, IMO, about default
>> > install. Non- beginners are quite capable of installing other stuff they
>> > want. That's where the breadth of the Debian archive that is 75% sync'ed
>> > into Ubuntu unmodified really pays off.
>> > Yes, let's make it easy for people that want easy, but that doesn't mean
>> > other interests are precluded. We aren't going to remove options or dumb
>> > things down, but you don't have to do that to make it easy.
>> Probably this part:
>> > remove options or dumb things down
>> is often associated with making this easier for newbies. The industry has
>> seen a lot of this lately, and I'm not convinced that it actually succeeds
>> at the goal of drawing in large numbers of new users.
>> I wasn't implying that Kubuntu should abandon whole classes of users.
>> Looking back, it's easy to read that into what I wrote.
> So let's say we make Kubuntu easy for beginners (as a goal). We don't do that
> by dumbing it down.
> Scott K
I think we make Kubuntu "beginner friendly" by providing clear choices
during installation and early use. In other words, all menus should be
double-checked for clear wording and good organization, all
documentation should be easy to find, and again, clearly written and
In my opinion, the default install is super-easy. Where we fall down a
bit is when people have to make choices during installation which are
NOT always clear. Aaron and I are working on a set of install images
with text to explain all the choices. I know that not everyone who
needs this information will find it, but right now, there is nothing
We all should let friends and relatives do installs while watching,
and ask them to do various tasks while just watching. We would learn a
great deal about how to make things more clear and understandable. The
people who attended the Usability workshop in Bilbao all learned a LOT
about their applications.
I hope we never dumb anything down, because I want to use Kubuntu forever. :-)
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