KDE Telepathy or Kopete
david at davidedmundson.co.uk
Tue Mar 27 16:47:40 UTC 2012
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 05:29:57 PM Harald Sitter wrote:
>> As we do not agree on whether we agree on a decision I'd like everyone
>> to cast a vote in favor of KTP or Kopete as default for 12.04. The
>> relevant discussion can be found at .
> My vote is for Kopete.
> There are four reasons for this:
> 1. LTS is not the time to make a major technology change. This should be
> done in LTS +1.
> 2. Not integrated to our desktop - I think Message Indicator support is
> essential unless we drop this from our default panel layout. There are other
> feature parity issues, but I think this is the critical one.
> 3. KTP upstream request (in this thread):
>> Personally I'd rather you kept Kopete for now but I can see why you
>> don't want to maintain Kopete backends for another 3 years.
> 4. Maintainability.
> That last point might require a bit of discussion as I think it's somewhat
> backwards from the way most would look at it.
> I don't think we need to worry a lot about Kopete maintenance other than
> security issues. It does what it does. It doesn't do what it doesn't do.
> The code doesn't churn much from release to release, so there's not a lot of
> risk that a year or two from now some serious performance bug will be
> identified that someone will have to figure out without help from (the almost
> dead) upstream.
That's not entirely true in the case of IM. IM is a bit different
because it relies on servers and protocols (often reversed engineered)
which can randomly change. MSN (for example) are known to change their
protocol and after a while not allow anyone using the older version.
So a bug can "appear" later, which doesn't exist now. Which is awful
but quite likely.
> KTP, OTOH, is a young code base that is evolving rapidly. I think the chance
> we can be confident to have fully stabilized and all significant issues
> identified at or near release is much lower. By the time we hit such things,
> the KTP project will have moved on to newer code and not be in a position to
> provide much support.
> Support really comes down to security issues. As an application (or stack of
> applications) that directly connect to the outside world, they are at risk of
> latent security issues being discovered at ~any point in the support period.
> This is a 5 year LTS. For the first year or so, if there are such issues in
> Kopete, we can count on KDE SC 4.8 being supported by upstream. After that,
> we'll have to look at fixes from other distros or later KDE SC releases or
> write them ourselves. Since Kopete code is not changing much, the chances, in
> later parts of the support cycle when 4.8 is no longer supported, of security
> fixes from later KDE SC releases being easily backported to 4.8 are pretty
> For KDE Telepathy, the opposite is true. Since they are in rapid development,
> the chances that any fixes for later releases would apply to 12.04 would be
> much lower.
> Supporting an LTS is about stability and security, not the latest wizbang. I
> think KDE Telepathy is comng along nicely and I support shifting to it as
> default immediately for 12.10, but now is not the time.
> Scott K
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