R: Re: RFC: Switch to Firefox and a 1.5 GB image

LucaTringali TRINGALINVENT at libero.it
Mon Dec 5 23:33:40 UTC 2011

I think it's a good idea to have Firefox as default. In fact, it's the most 
important FOSS web browser, one of the main project of this world. Everytime I 
talk with a person about Kubuntu, one of the first thing I hear is "It's free 
software? So it has Firefox!" And it's very hard to explain that yes, we are a 
free open source software project but no, we don't ship Kubuntu with Firefox 
preinstalled. Common people just can't undestand this thing. 
I think we should stop this religious war between GNOME and KDE applications. 
It's clear that KDE applications are better in many cases, but Firefox, Gimp, 
and Inkscape are absolutely better than KDE's alternatives (I like Rekonquer, 
but it looks like a toy if I think to Firefox).
The fact that Firefox does not use Kwallet is not a real problem: first of 
all, it's not needed. The main part of users does not use a wallet or a keyring 
for website password: the Firefox's password archive works just fine for them. 
Plus, if your really can't live without KWallet, there's an addon. Sure we 
can't promise that this plugin will be compatible with every new version of the 
program, but as every FOSS project, it will depend from the real interest of 
I would also propose to distribute a version of Kubuntu with everything a 
normal user can need (something like a "home edition"). I talking not only 
about Firefox preinstalled, but also the flash plugin, all the main codecs, and 
all the other non free software that a user need to have, in order to discover 
all the beauty and easiness of Kubuntu. For the same reason, there are some 
servicemenus I find very very useful (give a look at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.
Personally, I think the only way to encourage commons Windows/Mac users to 
join Kubuntu is to make it just easier than other systems. And this means it 
must have everything ready for the use.

Luca Tringali

>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: stars at hispeed.ch
>Data: 05/12/2011 23.06
>A: <kubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Ogg: Re: RFC: Switch to Firefox and a 1.5 GB image
>Le Mon, 05 Dec 2011 21:51:10 +0100,
>Pali Rohár <pali.rohar at gmail.com> a écrit :
>> On Monday 05 December 2011 21:45:30 Christian Mangold wrote:
>> > Am Montag, 5. Dezember 2011, 21:41:44 schrieb Pali Rohár:
>> > > Firefox does not support storing passwords in KWallet. And I
>> > > think this is needed for default browser.
>> > 
>> > There is an extension for this:
>> > http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Firefox+addon+for+kwallet?content688
>> > 6
>> > 
>> > Seems to be actively maintained.
>> > 
>> > Chr.
>> Problem is that this extension must be recompiled against actual
>> firefox and kde version - so everytime when updating kde/firefox
>> packages.
>> And other problem, that it does not store to same location as 
>> konqueror/rekonq. So we need program to convert konqueror/rekonq
>> passwords to firefox location.
>The only problem i see with "Firefox non-default" is that a few
>applications don't reconize to open Url with it instead
>konqueror/rekonq when we have set as default browser in "system
>I find really important to to can storing passwords in KWallet, that's
>give us a better security that will be very important to do with
>Firefox by default....
>Maybe it will time to do something with Firefox devlopper to include it
>or make it easy to maintain...
>About: On 12/05/2011 03:37 PM, Felix Geyer wrote:
>> Thus I propose that we switch to a 1.5 GB
>> USB/DVD image that includes everything on the CD + Firefox + more
>> language packs + maybe a few more applications. This also means
>> dropping our current DVD image which is imho of very limited use
>> anyway [3].  
>I think too that Kubuntu offer enough version proposed and so i agree
>with Scott K
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