Project Timelord -- Initial consideration

Scott Kitterman ubuntu at
Wed Oct 21 17:01:34 BST 2009

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:12:41 +0200 Harald Sitter <apachelogger at> 
>Am Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2009 16:42:21 schrieb Scott Kitterman:
>> I did look at adding synaptic since IMO KpackageKit is cleary unsuitable
>> and I'm not sure it even aspires to suitability.  IIRC it pulled in about
>> 50 MB of Gnome/GTK stuff.  Avoiding Gnome/GTK has always been, for me, 
>> about fitting on the CD than any notion of ideological purity.  If we go
>> this direction, we are going to have to have to give something up.
>Possibly recommends need to be refitted, or conflicts (seedwise) 
>Anyway, I think that knm is a better suited example of why the policy 
makes no 
>a) I cannot connect to my wifi at home
>b) I cannot connect to the wifi at university
>c) I cannot connect to universities's VPN
>d) All of the above works perfectly fine with nm-applet
>e) Upstream suggested various times that we should use nm-applet at least 
>the time being
>So, honest to god, if we had to kick speedcrunch (which is, btw, 
>bigger than kcalc) and the german translations (incomplete as they are for 
>Kubuntu apps) why did we not look into this more seriously?
>Working network is important one would suppose. 

Certainly.  I'm not saying I'm opposed to the tradeoffs.  I just want to 
make it clear that there are tradeoffs required.  Both the CD and the DVD 
are full, so whatever goes on, means something else comes off.

I'm not puritanical about KDE apps, but believe that the Ubuntu aproach of 
picking one appplication per type to focus on and having a complete system 
installable from a single CD are core values of the project that we should 
stick with.

Scott K

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