Feeling like a 2nd class citizen

john.godzero at gmail.com john.godzero at gmail.com
Wed Nov 28 02:36:00 GMT 2007

I've done some web development... so I'll chime in.

I tested my sites against IE6(and later IE7), Konqueror and Firefox (a
bit of Opera, lynx etc too).

Konqueror is by far the most standards compliant web renderer there is.

If the standard says " do X, then Y then Z"... konqueror will render
correctly. IEx will NOT. Firefox does much better, Opera - OK, etc.

The problem seems to be IE is designed for badly designed websites.
You MUST be visiting sites that fall under this category.

There are many sites that are "designed" for IE, and many MANY more
sites that are designed by people who read "HOWTOs" that were written
by people who only knew IE.

Then there's the addition of non WWW elements in a WWW page (such as
flash, activeX components, etc) that I believe do not belong there.
This is way overused. If you want to disribute a video game... don't
use the .html suffix (unless it's purely for fun/experimentation/see
what you can do).

I suspect that in 2007, anyone who complains any browser is inferior
to IE must be spending his/her online time at myspace. What a
crap-tacular mess of mashed code (my the original programmers - buy
the unwashed masses who cut-and-pastes).

If you want to go to a site that harkens back to the AOL "ME TOO"
days, use IE. Nothing else will suffice.

Else, Konqueror will 100% satisfy.

WOW, got that off my chest.

On 11/27/07, Francois-Denis Gonthier <neumann at lostwebsite.net> wrote:
> On November 26, 2007 10:21:34 pm reuben firmin wrote:
> > Does anybody on this list really use konqueror as their primary browser?
> Is
> > there a good reason that kubuntu can't start shipping firefox in addition?
> > It's all about the user experience, right? (BTW, I love konqueror, but
> > strictly as a file manager / random-net-protocol client.)
> I've used Konqueror as my primary browser for a long time, and still do
> while
> I am at work.  Since I use it as my filemanager too, it's always there,
> always ready, and always much faster to start than FireFox.
> Konqueror is perfectly functionnal for all the sites that are related to my
> work, but I've grown accustomed to start FireFox to access problematic
> sites,
> and even FireFox in a 32 bit chroot for sites than needed 32 bit plugins
> such
> as Flash.
> Some weeks ago, I decided to give Opera a try.  While it's not as integrated
> in KDE as Konqueror, it does pretty much everything FireFox and Konqueror
> did
> when I used them both.  I've force-installed the 32 bit Opera on my 64 bit
> system to allow 32 bits plugins.  Of course, I did that before I knew Gutsy
> was distributing nspluginwrapper.
> Personnaly, I don't like FireFox much, and won't even try to advocate the
> inclusion of Opera by default in Kubuntu.  If enough people get behind
> FireFox then it should be included by default in Kubuntu, but I would not
> like it set by default simply because of the fact that this is not KDE
> browser.

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