[Bug 296853] Re: Make SIP/SIMPLE work with Microsoft Live Communication Server

Wed Aug 8 14:36:05 UTC 2012

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On 2005-08-08T18:07:12+00:00 0cs935k-bill wrote:

Version:            (using KDE KDE 3.4.1)
Installed from:    Gentoo Packages

I am often finding the need to connect to Microsoft Live Communications
Server (SIP/SIMPLE).  It would be great if I could use Kopete to connect
to these servers.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/0

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On 2005-09-06T20:47:55+00:00 Matthias-granberry wrote:

Has anyone actually given any thought to incorporating SIP into
Kopete?  The smallest SIP stack I've seen is about 400k, while the
horribly unfriendly dissipate stack (in kphone/kcall) clocks in at
about 500k.  For flexible and compliant stacks, about 1M is the
smallest code size I've seen.  How much is too much for one protocol?

On 8 Aug 2005 16:07:13 -0000, Bill Lewis <bill at enobis.com> wrote:
[bugs.kde.org quoted mail]

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/1

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On 2005-09-06T21:06:02+00:00 Matthias-granberry wrote:

This is not MSN.  He's referring to the SIP MESSAGE method, which is the
basis for the 3GPP IMS messaging among other things.  There are also
standards for most of the familiar IM goodies like presence, etc in the
pipeline or standardized.  As a bonus, Google Talk sounds like it will
support SIP for voice communication, so it might not be an entirely
wasted effort.

RFCs 3261, 3428, and 3856 are particularly relevant.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/2

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On 2006-01-26T23:46:35+00:00 Kdebugs-h wrote:

This would be a great feature, there is not a single client for LCS
under Linux. In addition to SIP/SIMPLE it would require NTLM and TLS
support as well to work with LCS.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/3

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On 2008-01-25T19:33:25+00:00 Sven Boden wrote:

*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/4

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On 2008-01-26T15:39:36+00:00 Matt Rogers wrote:

*** Bug 156657 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/5

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On 2008-02-09T08:30:52+00:00 Mike wrote:

This is a much needed protocol and could really help boost Kopete usage
since a lot of corporate environments run LCS and the only way to
connect to it is with a crappy Windows client or crappier web-based
client.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/6

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On 2008-05-05T21:34:01+00:00 Arnaud wrote:

As many Linux user with Microsoft IT, I'd like to be connected with my collaborators with outside windows.
Does it planed to fixed it or not?
I'm more Java programer than C/C++ one and don't known KDE, but let me known if can help.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/7

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On 2008-05-27T00:18:56+00:00 Mike wrote:

If you are interested in seeing this request move forward, please vote
for it. There is also a pidgin plug-in for LCS connectivity
(http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/48) but it is not finished (TLS
support is not implemented) so it won't work with many LCS servers
(including the one I have to connect to).

Mike

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/8

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On 2008-06-03T16:02:06+00:00 Olivier-lahaye wrote:

This much needed feature would greatly help kopete to gain popularity within corporate environments.
I can test if needed.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/9

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On 2008-06-05T13:39:38+00:00 Andres-hans wrote:

This would be a great feature, many linux users have to use a completely
crappy, near useless web client

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/10

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On 2008-07-16T06:56:43+00:00 Jguthrie-7 wrote:

I have to echo above peoples comments.  It is actually pretty silly that
SIP/SIMPLE w/ TLS isn't supported.  If this is meant to supplant other
IM clients from an OSS perspective than Kopete really must tackle the
bastardized MS implementation of SIP/SIMPLE but w/ TLS support.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/11

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On 2008-07-18T15:46:03+00:00 Kevin-myers wrote:

It seems that a majority of LCS servers require TLS.  Most IT shops that
are swayed by MS are running LCS, and not being able to connect via
Linux IM is just one more reason the big-bosses see a delay in migrating
to Linux.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/12

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On 2008-09-02T13:34:33+00:00 Carsten Schlipf wrote:

I also would like to see support for MS LCS, but I am very pessimistic
about that. Excerpt from
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=53700175:

"How is Microsoft hijacking SIP/SIMPLE? Start at the client-to-server
side, the protocol exchange between the Windows Messenger or Microsoft
Istanbul clients, and an LCS server. The SIP/SIMPLE protocol currently
has some limitations when it comes to IM, particularly when it comes to
buddy list management, so Microsoft has gone to great lengths to fill in
the functionality gaps by implementing their own protocol payload and
exchange sequences. While this may fill in the gap left by the fact that
SIP/SIMPLE is still being developed, and while it may improve the
available feature set, these extensions are Microsoft's intellectual
property. That means they must be licensed by any third-party that wants
to have access to them in an official manner."

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On 2008-09-17T13:34:19+00:00 Jiří Navrátil wrote:

Could http://sipe.sf.net/ help there?

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/14

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On 2008-09-18T01:59:11+00:00 Matt Rogers wrote:

yes and no. It might be a good base, but when I tried it with pidgin, it
didn't work. and now that LCS 2007 is out there as well, we'd still have
things to implement.

However, none of that matters unless there's somebody willing to work on
it.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/15

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On 2008-09-18T18:42:28+00:00 Jguthrie-7 wrote:

People should still add their points to this issue.  FOSS needs to
address business solutions and not just 'fun' things.  In any case, if
it is ignored we may have some other escalation we can go down to get
attention to it from the larger KDE community.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/16

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On 2008-09-25T17:41:37+00:00 emacsian wrote:

The NTLM and SIP LCS specs are now open at
NTLM - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc207842.aspx and
SIP Extensions - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc246115.aspx

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/17

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On 2008-11-03T20:32:34+00:00 Mike wrote:

Hi, everyone. It looks like this issue is finally gaining some traction
with Pidgin. You might want to check their bug tracker
(http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/48) to follow the progress and see if
there is anything you can to do help if you are interested.

Mike

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/18

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On 2008-11-18T16:07:49+00:00 Yamijim wrote:

Proprietary protocols make raptor Jesus cry.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/20

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On 2008-12-22T23:02:21+00:00 Mike wrote:

Terrific news. The there is finally a very usable version of the Pidgin
plug-in. Check it out! http://sourceforge.net/projects/sipe

The forum is quite active with lots of information and people to answer
questions if needed.
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=688534

Mike

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/21

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On 2009-01-02T23:29:52+00:00 Arnaud wrote:

I test is and it works fine for me with a LCS 2005.
Sorry Kopete, I will Pidgin :-$ what ever it is not KDE flavor

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/22

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On 2009-04-20T08:03:25+00:00 Kanwar Plaha wrote:

I want to vote for this feature to be added to Kopete.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/23

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On 2009-08-19T23:07:35+00:00 Jonathan wrote:

for information, with http://sipe.sourceforge.net and pidgin, i can
connect with TLS and Kerberos to our LCS-Server (2007??). Unfortunately
i don't like pidgin

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/24

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On 2009-10-11T23:17:34+00:00 0k53dmx9cig8cqkasq-alex-f830mk0e7z07dk74sm wrote:

Hey guys !

I've seen the pidgin plugin in action and it works great !

Kopete just NEEDS this kind of plugin for corporate environments where
quick chats are taking over useless amounts of emails.

Thank you for your very much appreciated work !

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/25

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On 2009-12-18T19:45:06+00:00 mmbossoni wrote:

Voting for this bug, since I think that Kopete should offer something to
be used to corporate users (and I prefer Kopete).

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/27

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On 2010-03-25T03:44:43+00:00 Kanwar Plaha wrote:

echoing sentiments of earlier posters for this bug, i want to re-iterate
that although pidgin does just fine with MS OCS/LCS, a kopete plugin
would be preferred ... especially for KDE users since it integrates into
the desktop, including Kickoff and Lancelot menus.

Please bump this up.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/28

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On 2010-03-25T13:12:56+00:00 Somekool-f wrote:

Microsoft Live Communications Server actually use a different version of
SIP.

We kindly call it SIPE ! 
there is a pidgin plugin for it. 
you might want to integrate it into kopete? it would be nice.

I personnaly use pidgin stritly for this protocol and kopete for
everything else.

http://sipe.sourceforge.net/

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/29

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On 2010-03-29T07:47:37+00:00 Afixxxer wrote:

I'm the SIPE author plugin.

The SIPE plugin was developed originally for pidgin using purple/glib
libraries.

But now we have removed all purple libraries from the core source.

I mean, if you want to implement in another language, I think should
more or less easy.

Check the git repository for that:

http://repo.or.cz/w/siplcs.git

I love kopete too, if I developed to pidgin, just was due to was easy
and there was a plugin called SIMPLE for that (I based my original work
on that).

I don't know, may be I can help you if you want. ;)

Regards.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/30

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On 2010-03-29T21:23:47+00:00 Matt Rogers wrote:

even better would be to write a telepathy connection manager instead. :)

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/31

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On 2010-03-30T02:48:01+00:00 Afixxxer wrote:

Indeed, It's almost done. We are working in the telepathy support for
our plugin SIPE.

Today works using telepathy-haze, but we want to work natively

;)

Regards.

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On 2010-04-18T02:34:53+00:00 Chemobejk wrote:

Anibal was a little bit too enthusiastic.

Yes - work is ongoing to separate the Sipe core functionality from the
Purple code. We're still in the middle of it and don't know when it will
be completed.

No - there is no native telepathy backend yet, just a build option and
an empty directory. Once the above is achieved it should be technically
possible to implement a native telepathy backend. If you want to connect
to M$ OCS with a telepathy-based client *today*, you'll need to use
telepathy-haze.

Of course the same thing is true for a native kopete backend. As none of
the current Sipe developers knows anything about developing kopete
protocol plugins it would be nice if someone from the KDE/kopete
community would step up and start contributing code to the project.

To start this off I could add a --enable-kopete option to configure and
a kopete directory to the source tree. What kind of libraries/packages
would configure need to check for to be able to compile a kopete
protocol plugin? [e.g. for telepathy we check for telepathy-glib
development headers]

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On 2010-04-18T02:48:57+00:00 Chemobejk wrote:

--enable-kopete build option & empty directory have been added in git
commit adc47b8.

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/34

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On 2010-10-08T15:20:34+00:00 Vincent Fortier wrote:

Sadly farther KDE is from integrating MS protocols, farther will it stay
from the desktop market... same goes into supporting MS Exchange in
kontact/kmail/korganizer/etc (bug #78629) ....

Hoping either 1) KDE finally integrates a bit better with MS products OR
2) MS products stops being the default enterprise solution... I'd hope
for 2) to be true soon but I think I have more chances in hoping for 1)
to become a reality first....

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/35

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On 2010-10-08T15:29:59+00:00 Matt Rogers wrote:

Somebody has to be willing to put in the work to make the integration happen
though. Until that happens were all in the same boat

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kopete/+bug/296853/comments/36

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