[Bug 173267] Re: Kernel ACL support for NFS/CIFS in 8.04?

Sat Dec 1 17:14:34 UTC 2007

** Description changed:

  First: in my opinion this is NOT a duplicate of Bug #67175, because it
  affects the NEXT long term supported ubuntu. And it affects both the NFS
  and the CIFS(samba) network file system support of the ubuntu kernel. It
  is both, a bug for the actual gutsy and a wishlist/bug for hardy (8.04
  LTS).

  I also asked for an answer here at lauchpad with Question #18907 (see
  links below [1]). Please refer this question for additional information.
  There are several similar post out there addressing the problem (see
  links below).

  I am not a kernel developer but I cannot understand where the problem is
  if major distributions (redhat/suse) seem to support nfs/cifs with acl
  out of the box - for about 2 years now (2005), right when ACL support
  came for SMB (see [4] page 133).

  Because I consider this as a BUG concerning the ubuntu linux kernel
  flavour, and cannot find any comment/roadmap from the official side
  (canonical). I even don't see any effort being made on giving a solution
  to both client and server's side.

+ One also has to check/assure, that gnome, kde and xfce file managers are
+ supporting mounted directories via nfs/smb/cifs.
+ 
  With 8.04 LTS in mind there should be a clear statement concerning
  NFS/CIFS + ACL support in the kernel, so customers could decide - and
  ubuntu would like to address customers wished, do the ;) One should not
  be forced to recompile the kernel and loose support.

  [4] Gives a very excellent and detailed view of the actual state in
  NFS/CIFS linux development.

  Sincerely yours Axel

  Links:
  >> [1] Question #18907 (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/18907)
  [2] Ubuntu Forum - NFS problem (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=339867&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.3290169355124337)
  [3] Ubuntu forum - NFS server not presenting ACLs (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=428512&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.64162506203136)
  >> [4] PDF: Proceedings of the Linux Symposium 6-2007 - A New Network File System is Born: Comparison of SMB2, CIFS, and NFS (https://ols2006.108.redhat.com/2007/Reprints/french-Reprint.pdf)
  [5] PDF: Novell 5/2005 - Linux, Samba and ACLs: past, present, and future (http://www.sambaxp.org/uploads/media/05-Andreas-Gruenbacher_-_Linux_Samba_and_ACLs.pdf)
  [6] PDF:  NAS Conference 2005 - NFSv4 Co-existence with CIFS in a Multi-protocol Environment (http://nasconf.com/pres05/hayden.pdf)

** Description changed:

  First: in my opinion this is NOT a duplicate of Bug #67175, because it
  affects the NEXT long term supported ubuntu. And it affects both the NFS
  and the CIFS(samba) network file system support of the ubuntu kernel. It
  is both, a bug for the actual gutsy and a wishlist/bug for hardy (8.04
  LTS).

  I also asked for an answer here at lauchpad with Question #18907 (see
  links below [1]). Please refer this question for additional information.
  There are several similar post out there addressing the problem (see
  links below).

  I am not a kernel developer but I cannot understand where the problem is
  if major distributions (redhat/suse) seem to support nfs/cifs with acl
  out of the box - for about 2 years now (2005), right when ACL support
  came for SMB (see [4] page 133).

  Because I consider this as a BUG concerning the ubuntu linux kernel
  flavour, and cannot find any comment/roadmap from the official side
  (canonical). I even don't see any effort being made on giving a solution
  to both client and server's side.

- One also has to check/assure, that gnome, kde and xfce file managers are
- supporting mounted directories via nfs/smb/cifs.
+ Conclusion:

- With 8.04 LTS in mind there should be a clear statement concerning
+ 1. With 8.04 LTS in mind there should be a clear statement concerning
  NFS/CIFS + ACL support in the kernel, so customers could decide - and
- ubuntu would like to address customers wished, do the ;) One should not
+ ubuntu would like to address customers wishes, do they ;) One should not
  be forced to recompile the kernel and loose support.
+ 
+ 2. One also has to check/assure, that gnome, kde and xfce file managers
+ are supporting mounted directories via nfs/smb/cifs.

  [4] Gives a very excellent and detailed view of the actual state in
  NFS/CIFS linux development.

  Sincerely yours Axel

  Links:
  >> [1] Question #18907 (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/18907)
  [2] Ubuntu Forum - NFS problem (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=339867&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.3290169355124337)
  [3] Ubuntu forum - NFS server not presenting ACLs (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=428512&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.64162506203136)
  >> [4] PDF: Proceedings of the Linux Symposium 6-2007 - A New Network File System is Born: Comparison of SMB2, CIFS, and NFS (https://ols2006.108.redhat.com/2007/Reprints/french-Reprint.pdf)
  [5] PDF: Novell 5/2005 - Linux, Samba and ACLs: past, present, and future (http://www.sambaxp.org/uploads/media/05-Andreas-Gruenbacher_-_Linux_Samba_and_ACLs.pdf)
  [6] PDF:  NAS Conference 2005 - NFSv4 Co-existence with CIFS in a Multi-protocol Environment (http://nasconf.com/pres05/hayden.pdf)

** Description changed:

  First: in my opinion this is NOT a duplicate of Bug #67175, because it
  affects the NEXT long term supported ubuntu. And it affects both the NFS
  and the CIFS(samba) network file system support of the ubuntu kernel. It
  is both, a bug for the actual gutsy and a wishlist/bug for hardy (8.04
  LTS).

  I also asked for an answer here at lauchpad with Question #18907 (see
  links below [1]). Please refer this question for additional information.
  There are several similar post out there addressing the problem (see
  links below).

  I am not a kernel developer but I cannot understand where the problem is
  if major distributions (redhat/suse) seem to support nfs/cifs with acl
  out of the box - for about 2 years now (2005), right when ACL support
  came for SMB (see [4] page 133).

  Because I consider this as a BUG concerning the ubuntu linux kernel
  flavour, and cannot find any comment/roadmap from the official side
  (canonical). I even don't see any effort being made on giving a solution
  to both client and server's side.

  Conclusion:

  1. With 8.04 LTS in mind there should be a clear statement concerning
  NFS/CIFS + ACL support in the kernel, so customers could decide - and
  ubuntu would like to address customers wishes, do they ;) One should not
  be forced to recompile the kernel and loose support.

  2. One also has to check/assure, that gnome, kde and xfce file managers
- are supporting mounted directories via nfs/smb/cifs.
+ are supporting mounted directories via nfs/smb/cifs and handle acl's
+ properly.

  [4] Gives a very excellent and detailed view of the actual state in
  NFS/CIFS linux development.

  Sincerely yours Axel

  Links:
  >> [1] Question #18907 (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/18907)
  [2] Ubuntu Forum - NFS problem (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=339867&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.3290169355124337)
  [3] Ubuntu forum - NFS server not presenting ACLs (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=428512&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.64162506203136)
  >> [4] PDF: Proceedings of the Linux Symposium 6-2007 - A New Network File System is Born: Comparison of SMB2, CIFS, and NFS (https://ols2006.108.redhat.com/2007/Reprints/french-Reprint.pdf)
  [5] PDF: Novell 5/2005 - Linux, Samba and ACLs: past, present, and future (http://www.sambaxp.org/uploads/media/05-Andreas-Gruenbacher_-_Linux_Samba_and_ACLs.pdf)
  [6] PDF:  NAS Conference 2005 - NFSv4 Co-existence with CIFS in a Multi-protocol Environment (http://nasconf.com/pres05/hayden.pdf)

** Description changed:

  First: in my opinion this is NOT a duplicate of Bug #67175, because it
  affects the NEXT long term supported ubuntu. And it affects both the NFS
  and the CIFS(samba) network file system support of the ubuntu kernel. It
  is both, a bug for the actual gutsy and a wishlist/bug for hardy (8.04
  LTS).

  I also asked for an answer here at lauchpad with Question #18907 (see
  links below [1]). Please refer this question for additional information.
  There are several similar post out there addressing the problem (see
  links below).

  I am not a kernel developer but I cannot understand where the problem is
  if major distributions (redhat/suse) seem to support nfs/cifs with acl
  out of the box - for about 2 years now (2005), right when ACL support
  came for SMB (see [4] page 133).

  Because I consider this as a BUG concerning the ubuntu linux kernel
  flavour, and cannot find any comment/roadmap from the official side
  (canonical). I even don't see any effort being made on giving a solution
  to both client and server's side.

+ [4] Gives a very excellent and detailed view of the actual state in
+ NFS/CIFS linux development.
+ 
  Conclusion:

  1. With 8.04 LTS in mind there should be a clear statement concerning
  NFS/CIFS + ACL support in the kernel, so customers could decide - and
  ubuntu would like to address customers wishes, do they ;) One should not
  be forced to recompile the kernel and loose support.

  2. One also has to check/assure, that gnome, kde and xfce file managers
  are supporting mounted directories via nfs/smb/cifs and handle acl's
  properly.

- [4] Gives a very excellent and detailed view of the actual state in
- NFS/CIFS linux development.
- 
  Sincerely yours Axel

  Links:
  >> [1] Question #18907 (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/18907)
  [2] Ubuntu Forum - NFS problem (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=339867&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.3290169355124337)
  [3] Ubuntu forum - NFS server not presenting ACLs (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=428512&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.64162506203136)
  >> [4] PDF: Proceedings of the Linux Symposium 6-2007 - A New Network File System is Born: Comparison of SMB2, CIFS, and NFS (https://ols2006.108.redhat.com/2007/Reprints/french-Reprint.pdf)
  [5] PDF: Novell 5/2005 - Linux, Samba and ACLs: past, present, and future (http://www.sambaxp.org/uploads/media/05-Andreas-Gruenbacher_-_Linux_Samba_and_ACLs.pdf)
  [6] PDF:  NAS Conference 2005 - NFSv4 Co-existence with CIFS in a Multi-protocol Environment (http://nasconf.com/pres05/hayden.pdf)

** Description changed:

  First: in my opinion this is NOT a duplicate of Bug #67175, because it
  affects the NEXT long term supported ubuntu. And it affects both the NFS
  and the CIFS(samba) network file system support of the ubuntu kernel. It
  is both, a bug for the actual gutsy and a wishlist/bug for hardy (8.04
  LTS).

  I also asked for an answer here at lauchpad with Question #18907 (see
  links below [1]). Please refer this question for additional information.
  There are several similar post out there addressing the problem (see
  links below).

  I am not a kernel developer but I cannot understand where the problem is
  if major distributions (redhat/suse) seem to support nfs/cifs with acl
  out of the box - for about 2 years now (2005), right when ACL support
  came for SMB (see [4] page 133).

  Because I consider this as a BUG concerning the ubuntu linux kernel
  flavour, and cannot find any comment/roadmap from the official side
  (canonical). I even don't see any effort being made on giving a solution
  to both client and server's side.

- [4] Gives a very excellent and detailed view of the actual state in
- NFS/CIFS linux development.
+ [4] (see links below) gives a very excellent and detailed view of the
+ actual state in NFS/CIFS linux development.

  Conclusion:

  1. With 8.04 LTS in mind there should be a clear statement concerning
  NFS/CIFS + ACL support in the kernel, so customers could decide - and
  ubuntu would like to address customers wishes, do they ;) One should not
  be forced to recompile the kernel and loose support.

  2. One also has to check/assure, that gnome, kde and xfce file managers
  are supporting mounted directories via nfs/smb/cifs and handle acl's
  properly.

  Sincerely yours Axel

  Links:
  >> [1] Question #18907 (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/18907)
  [2] Ubuntu Forum - NFS problem (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=339867&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.3290169355124337)
  [3] Ubuntu forum - NFS server not presenting ACLs (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=428512&highlight=nfs%20acl#0.64162506203136)
  >> [4] PDF: Proceedings of the Linux Symposium 6-2007 - A New Network File System is Born: Comparison of SMB2, CIFS, and NFS (https://ols2006.108.redhat.com/2007/Reprints/french-Reprint.pdf)
  [5] PDF: Novell 5/2005 - Linux, Samba and ACLs: past, present, and future (http://www.sambaxp.org/uploads/media/05-Andreas-Gruenbacher_-_Linux_Samba_and_ACLs.pdf)
  [6] PDF:  NAS Conference 2005 - NFSv4 Co-existence with CIFS in a Multi-protocol Environment (http://nasconf.com/pres05/hayden.pdf)

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