Use of Jujucharms to launch non-opensource code

[John Meinel]

Generally the [A]GPL applies when you are modifying the actual object.

For example, if you have to modify the "juju" binary to add another
command, or support different hardware, then likely that would need to be
exposed.
If you are just using Juju to deploy some other program, then AGPL doesn't
apply to your other code. Juju itself invokes charm hooks as just
executables, so they can't be considered "derivative works." (Someone could
clearly replace the proprietary hook with a different executable and fix a
bug that they are experiencing.)

The more edge case is that charmhelpers itself is AGPL, so if your charm
imported charmhelpers, then that is more of a grey area. You likely need to
open source the actual charm, which sets up configuration, etc of the
program. However, you still don't have to give out the source to the
program you are configuring.

I believe jujucharms.com can be used to host personal charms (so you could
write a charm that deploys a commercial binary, and people could install it
from "juju deploy cs:~yourusername/charmname"). I don't believe we will
"promulgate" a private charm such as that. (All charms go through a code
review to change from ~username/charm into just charm, which must pass
particular guidelines.)

John
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Ramesh Nethi <ramesh.nethi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marco,
>
>
> It is the former. Using Juju and charms in a commercial project/product.
>
> regards
> Ramesh
>
> On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 at 20:11 Marco Ceppi <marco.ceppi at canonical.com> wrote:
>
>> Could you elaborate on your usage? Are you wrapping Juju itself in a
>> commercial project, using the charms in a commercial project, or producing
>> a commercial charm?
>>
>> Either way, IANAL, so my responses would be moot, but I can try to offer
>> some guidance.
>>
>> Marco
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:01 PM Ramesh Nethi <ramesh.nethi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jujucharmers,
>>>
>>> If one use Jujucharms in commercial projects where non-open source code
>>> is deployed using jujucharms,  is this bound by AGPL ?  I understand that
>>> modifying jujucharms code itself would call for open sourcing it.
>>>
>>> Are there any known commercial uses of jujucjarms ?
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Ramesh
>>>
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