Juju is still too hard

[Charles Butler]

Michael,

I read the title of this email and my heart sank a little. This reminds me
that we are still moving forward at break neck speed and what ground we've
covered and stepped into the next chapter may not be completely solid for
someone without the experiences that I have myself.  When you work 3
micrometers from the source, it's easy to overlook the warts.

As several have outlined here, feel free to join us in #juju on
irc.freenode.net - we are fully staffed during most of the US Timezone's
business hours to help.

When you say you tried it in a VM, have you looked at our Vagrant Images to
get moving quickly? [1] This is where I've pointed most of the new comers
to toe the waters. And if this is where you're finding road blocks, I'd
love to work with you hand in hand to resolve this troubling experience.

The power in juju is not only from getting your services orchestrated, but
the community surrounding it that genuinely cares about your experience and
helping you find the information to get you unblocked and moving.

All the best,

Charles

[1] https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/howto-vagrant-workflow.html

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Michael Schwartz <mike at gluu.org> wrote:

>
> Agreed. There is only one page on Azure, so it would be nice if there was
> a note that said
> "Don't waste your time... Azure isn't working today."
>
> - Mike
>
>
>
> On 2014-09-22 09:06, Mark Ramm-Christensen (Canonical.com) wrote:
>
>> I think we need to make sure that we do the best error reporting we
>> can, so if Juju isn't working because of Azure issues, we should find
>> some way to let users know that so that they can try another cloud,
>> contact microsoft, or otherwise find another way forward.
>>
>> --Mark Ramm
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Michael Schwartz <mike at gluu.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Juju,
>>>
>>> The note I got from Nate on Azure is below (after wasting a day
>>> trying to get it working...)
>>>
>>> At OSCON, I worked with Jorge and even he couldn't get my local VM
>>> working, but I'm willing to give it a try again. I'd be willing to
>>> schedule a meeting (please email me off the list to schedule).
>>>
>>> But please note, its not just me. I am reflecting the consensus of
>>> customers and partners about Juju. And its hard for me to dismiss
>>> their concerns given my own experience.
>>>
>>> - Mike
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: Problems with Azure
>>> Date: 2014-08-28 11:35
>>> From: Nate Finch <nate.finch at canonical.com>
>>>
>>> Azure is in a bad state today.  Our tests won't run on Azure today
>>> either.  So, there's not much we can do except complain to
>>> Microsoft.
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------
>>> Michael Schwartz
>>> Gluu
>>> Founder / CEO
>>> mike at gluu.org
>>>
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