disabling upgrades on new machines by default?

[José Antonio Rey]

In terms of 'upgrading later', Juju is built for not going into the
machines after they are launched. Bare that in mind.

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José Antonio Rey
On Oct 2, 2014 8:19 AM, "David Cheney" <david.cheney at canonical.com> wrote:

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>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Matt Rae <matt.rae at canonical.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think the upgrade matters as much as speed. I feel like most
>> users know to manage updates already, with their own policies, and that the
>> fast user experience is important.
>>
>> Even if juju upgrades initially, users will still need to manage updates
>> after, so I'm not sure how much the initial upgrade gains.
>>
>> "Juju is blazing fast!" is more exciting than "Juju makes sure I'm
>> updated initially!"
>>
>> There is something to be said for having the exact same packages on every
>> unit of a service rather than a few units having some versions, then units
>> added later getting different versions.
>>
>
> That happens anyway. Units added later may be built from later releases of
> the cloud image.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Samuel Cozannet <
>> samuel.cozannet at canonical.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why not put our perception to the test?
>>>
>>> Here
>>> <https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1T-8rf_XxXbvCCRRHT69KtRM5k4oJiHyTEuzbENBU0Js/edit#gid=0>
>>> is a spreadsheet where you can compile your variables. The top line
>>> summarizes the sum of values. The column that gets green is the one we
>>> should go for [assuming we are representative]
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:45 AM, John Meinel <john at arbash-meinel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So there is the question of what is the "user experience", and people
>>>> trying out Juju and it seems slow. Though if it is slow, doesn't that mean
>>>> that images are out of date?
>>>>
>>>> I just bootstrapped a fresh Ubuntu from Amazon's web interface today,
>>>> and I noticed that apt-get upgrade on there installed a new bash to fix the
>>>> newest major security hole. It seems like it is good to at least apply
>>>> security updates, and I'm not sure if it is easy to only install those.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> =:->
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:51 AM, José Antonio Rey <jose at ubuntu.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I believe that, as Jorge mentioned, most users do value having
>>>>> everything up to date by default, specially when they may go directly to
>>>>> production environments. Devs may also want to use this switch, as it will
>>>>> save time during the deployment for testing the charms they have developed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that turning on upgrades as a default would be more valued
>>>>> by end-users, but that's just a personal opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> José Antonio Rey
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2014 2:34 PM, "Jorge O. Castro" <jorge at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Kapil Thangavelu
>>>>>> <kapil.thangavelu at canonical.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > juju can save minutes per machine (especially against release
>>>>>> images) if we
>>>>>> > turn off upgrades by default.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are some updates coming to how we build cloud images that might
>>>>>> be relevant to this discussion:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://blog.utlemming.org/2014/08/archive-triggered-cloud-image-builds.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMO safer and slower makes sense for most people, those of us who need
>>>>>> speed for demos/conferences will know about this switch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> Canonical Ltd.
>>>>>> http://juju.ubuntu.com/ - Automate your Cloud Infrastructure
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