disabling upgrades on new machines by default?

Samuel Cozannet samuel.cozannet at canonical.com
Thu Oct 2 07:27:23 UTC 2014


Why not put our perception to the test?

Here
<https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1T-8rf_XxXbvCCRRHT69KtRM5k4oJiHyTEuzbENBU0Js/edit#gid=0>
is a spreadsheet where you can compile your variables. The top line
summarizes the sum of values. The column that gets green is the one we
should go for [assuming we are representative]

Sam

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:45 AM, John Meinel <john at arbash-meinel.com> wrote:

> So there is the question of what is the "user experience", and people
> trying out Juju and it seems slow. Though if it is slow, doesn't that mean
> that images are out of date?
>
> I just bootstrapped a fresh Ubuntu from Amazon's web interface today, and
> I noticed that apt-get upgrade on there installed a new bash to fix the
> newest major security hole. It seems like it is good to at least apply
> security updates, and I'm not sure if it is easy to only install those.
>
> John
> =:->
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:51 AM, José Antonio Rey <jose at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
>> I believe that, as Jorge mentioned, most users do value having everything
>> up to date by default, specially when they may go directly to production
>> environments. Devs may also want to use this switch, as it will save time
>> during the deployment for testing the charms they have developed.
>>
>> I believe that turning on upgrades as a default would be more valued by
>> end-users, but that's just a personal opinion.
>>
>> --
>> José Antonio Rey
>> On Oct 1, 2014 2:34 PM, "Jorge O. Castro" <jorge at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Kapil Thangavelu
>>> <kapil.thangavelu at canonical.com> wrote:
>>> > juju can save minutes per machine (especially against release images)
>>> if we
>>> > turn off upgrades by default.
>>>
>>> There are some updates coming to how we build cloud images that might
>>> be relevant to this discussion:
>>>
>>> http://blog.utlemming.org/2014/08/archive-triggered-cloud-image-builds.html
>>>
>>> IMO safer and slower makes sense for most people, those of us who need
>>> speed for demos/conferences will know about this switch.
>>>
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